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Title: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2021, 04:13:47 pm
‘The Nation’ on Derek Chauvin Jury: System Set up by Whites to ‘Go Free’ for Killing Black People
Joshua Klein 14 Mar 2021
The Nation published an article Thursday blasting the “deeply flawed†jury selection process for the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer accused of killing George Floyd, asserting the jury system “set up by white people†allows “white people [to] go free when they kill black people.â€
The piece, penned by Nation justice correspondent Elie Mystal and titled “The Acquittal of Derek Chauvin Has Already Begun,†carries a sub-headline which claims the jury selection process “shows how the cop who killed George Floyd can, and likely will, win.†The article begins by stating Chauvin need not be referred to as having “allegedly†killed George Floyd, because the author “saw it.â€
Mystal (pictured) laments that a jury, “comprised mainly of white people,†will decide whether “killing a black man should be a crime,†and then proclaims a trial should not even be necessary.
“In a reasonable world, this trial would be perfunctory,†he writes. “Hell, in a reasonable world, there wouldn’t even be a trial: Chauvin would have accepted some kind of plea deal.â€
Mystal openly states white cops, for the most part, can easily get away with murdering black people.
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/14/the-nation-on-derek-chauvin-jury-system-set-up-by-whites-to-go-free-for-killing-black-people/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Bigun on March 14, 2021, 04:30:39 pm
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2021, 07:13:12 pm
As more evidence comes out, and subsequently the shift in public opinion, I think the left knows they don’t have a case for murder. Be prepared for more articles like this. When this cop is acquitted of murder, watch for a repeat of summer 2020. Except this time, it’ll be on Biden’s watch. All the promises of returning to normalcy will be out the window. The public will then be demanding more law and order
None of us want bad cops on any police force. But the left starts from the premise that all cops are bad. Now they see this case falling apart on them. They’re going to get worse
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2021, 07:17:13 pm
Judge reinstates third-degree murder charge against Derek Chauvin in George Floyd's death https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/11/us/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-charges/index.html
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2021, 07:35:10 pm
The Columbia @ColumbiaBugle
We haven’t even finished the Derek Chauvin trial. You get what you voted for Minneapolis.
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Josh Caplan @joshdcaplan · 34m
NBC NEWS: Minneapolis reaches $27 million settlement with George Floyd's family
2:05 PM · Mar 12, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1370450960498130948
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Fishrrman on March 14, 2021, 08:52:32 pm
Considering the venue and potential jury pool, I'm wondering if Chauvin might fare better with a "bench trial" -- by a judge who will render a verdict without a jury...
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2021, 10:19:36 pm
‘The Nation’ on Derek Chauvin Jury: System Set up by Whites to ‘Go Free’ for Killing Black People
Joshua Klein 14 Mar 2021
The Nation published an article Thursday blasting the “deeply flawed†jury selection process for the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer accused of killing George Floyd, asserting the jury system “set up by white people†allows “white people [to] go free when they kill black people.â€
The piece, penned by Nation justice correspondent Elie Mystal and titled “The Acquittal of Derek Chauvin Has Already Begun,†carries a sub-headline which claims the jury selection process “shows how the cop who killed George Floyd can, and likely will, win.†The article begins by stating Chauvin need not be referred to as having “allegedly†killed George Floyd, because the author “saw it.â€
Mystal (pictured) laments that a jury, “comprised mainly of white people,†will decide whether “killing a black man should be a crime,†and then proclaims a trial should not even be necessary.
“In a reasonable world, this trial would be perfunctory,†he writes. “Hell, in a reasonable world, there wouldn’t even be a trial: Chauvin would have accepted some kind of plea deal.â€
Mystal openly states white cops, for the most part, can easily get away with murdering black people.
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/14/the-nation-on-derek-chauvin-jury-system-set-up-by-whites-to-go-free-for-killing-black-people/
I’ve read that article and not once in his unhinged rant disguised as editorial did he dispute the Coroner report or any other evidence. All emotion because that’s all they have
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 15, 2021, 03:58:48 pm
Chauvin Defense: Minneapolis Settlement With Floyd Family Could “Taint Jury Pool,†Demands Change Of Venue
What a disaster, once again brought to the Twin Cities by Minneapolis’ deeply unserious city government. Rather than wait until the end of the trials this spring and summer, the city council announced a massive $27 million settlement in the wrongful-death lawsuit brought by the family of George Floyd. That landed right in the middle of jury selection in the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin, and now the defense wants a delay — and may move for a mistrial:
IMO, the City of Minneapolis, State of Minnesota, and MSM have intentionally worked to prejudice the jury pool, from Day 1. This was not a lack of being "serious", IMO.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2021, 04:02:32 pm
:2popcorn:
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 15, 2021, 07:20:17 pm
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Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec BREAKING: Juror #51 admits she cannot be impartial after hearing the city awarded George Floyd's family a record $27 million 12:18 PM · Mar 15, 2021·Twitter Web App
Imagine that.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2021, 06:15:16 pm
Derek Chauvin's lawyer says jury should hear about George Floyd's 'similar' 2019 arrest when he 'swallowed drugs to avoid having them found by cops' - after search of police car EIGHT MONTHS after his death found 'chewed up tablet' with his DNA
Derek Chauvin trial resumed as Judge Cahill heard defense request to admit 2019 arrest in pretrial motion Chauvin's lawyers want to introduce body cam footage 2019 incident year before George Floyd's fatal arrest In May 2019, Floyd allegedly put drugs in his mouth to avoid getting caught by cops during a traffic stop Last fall, judge rejected attempts by the defense to introduce it as evidence at trial, saying it was irrelevant But Nelson said that new evidence has come to light indicating that drugs were found after May 2020 arrest Nelson said his team found drugs with Floyd's DNA on it in the squad car where he was briefly placed last year According to Nelson, pills found in the police squad car 'were a methamphetamine and fentanyl mixture' 'The entire arrest in May of 2019 ... is remarkably similar in multiple ways from one to the next,' Nelson said Prosecutors said jury shouldn't hear the evidence since it would be introduced to sully Floyd's reputation Assistant Attorney General Matthew Frank accused Nelson of being 'desperate' to smear Floyd's reputation Chauvin's attorney will argue Floyd's death due to methamphetamines and opioids found in his system
By Laura Collins, Chief Investigative Reporter For Dailymail.com and Ariel Zilber For Dailymail.com and Associated Press
Published: 10:47 EDT, 16 March 2021 | Updated: 13:18 EDT, 16 March 2021
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9367647/Derek-Chauvins-lawyer-says-jury-hear-George-Floyds-2019-arrest.html
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 19, 2021, 03:04:56 pm
BREAKING: Judge Denies Change-Of-Venue Motion In Floyd Homicide Trial, But Allows Defense Evidence On Cause Of Death
The defense won one and lost one today in the trial of Derek Chauvin. Despite an idiotic decision by the city council to announce a $27 million settlement admitting liability in the death of George Floyd, the trial will remain in Minneapolis, Judge Peter Cahill ruled a few minutes ago. That demand from the defense had been made once before, but after the publicity from the settlement disqualified two jurors, Chauvin’s team hoped Cahill would reconsider: ... What did the defense win today? A chance to present a key argument for an alternate theory about Floyd’s death. Both sides agree that Floyd died of cardiac arrest, but the defense wants to argue that Floyd caused his own death by ingesting drugs at the time of his arrest. Cahill ruled that they can introduce a prior arrest incident in which Floyd created a medical crisis by ingesting drugs to avoid charges on possession, which nearly killed him in 2019:
How is being allowed to present cause-of-death evidence even an issue? If the prosecution is going to charge murder or manslaughter, they would have to present cause-of-death evidence. And the defense has to be allowed to cross-examine any/every prosecution witness and challenge any/all evidence the prosecution presents.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 21, 2021, 02:47:36 pm
With striking of Black juror, Floyd activists see racism By AMY FORLITI and STEPHEN GROVESMarch 18, 2021
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A prospective juror who once lived in the neighborhood where George Floyd was arrested told the attorney for an ex-officer charged in Floyd’s death that he had a personal reason for wanting to serve on the jury.
“Because me, as a Black man, you see a lot of Black people get killed and no one’s held accountable for it, and you wonder why or what was the decisions,†Juror No. 76 said under questioning during jury selection in Derek Chauvin’s murder trial. “So, with this, maybe I’ll be in the room to know why.â€
But the man won’t be in the room. Even though he said he felt he could weigh the evidence fairly, he was struck by the defense. It was an illustration of how difficult it can be for people who say they have personal experience with police misconduct to make it onto juries that hold them accountable.
more https://apnews.com/article/black-juror-struck-by-defense-george-floyd-8ccfe1cae6a6de4819f60ede0b59f4b3
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: catfish1957 on March 21, 2021, 03:52:16 pm
How is being allowed to present cause-of-death evidence even an issue? If the prosecution is going to charge murder or manslaughter, they would have to present cause-of-death evidence. And the defense has to be allowed to cross-examine any/every prosecution witness and challenge any/all evidence the prosecution presents.
This is almost as bad as the lynchings of the early mid 1900's era . Mob racist mentality controlling justice process.... only difference is the rope, torches, and rural setting. This time the hooded ones are BLM liars, and complict liberal lawyers and judges afraid of the BLM pukes.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 25, 2021, 07:22:51 pm
Chauvin Trial: Meet the Jurors
Chosen jurors are broadly diverse in terms of gender, race, and age Posted by Andrew Branca Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 09:41am
Welcome to our ongoing coverage of the Minnesota murder trial of Derek Chauvin, over the in-custody death of George Floyd. I am Attorney Andrew Branca for Law of Self Defense, providing guest commentary and analysis of this trial for Legal Insurrection.
With the trial set to begin with opening arguments on Monday, March 29 at 9:00am CT, the court finally managed to select 15 jurors effective yesterday. Only 14 of these will actually be sworn in and seated on Monday morning—if all 15 chosen show up, one of them will be sent home. The court’s given no indication on the process to be used to choose the 15th unnecessary juror—it may simply be whoever shows up last on Monday.
In any case, I thought I’d take the opportunity to collect what we know of the jurors, both in aggregate and individually, here in a single blog post, along with brief descriptions of the jurors as shared by the court and media, including their gender and race. The descriptions of the jurors are sourced from USA Today, as well as from my own notes taken during voir dire.)
I’ve also included the video of the voir dire of each of the selected jurors.
more https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/chauvin-trial-meet-the-jurors/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2021, 07:23:22 pm
Derek Chauvin trial: What to know about George Floyd autopsies, criminal complaint, jurors and more Opening statements in the closely watched case to begin Monday
By Danielle Wallace | Fox News
More than 10 months after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, opening statements begin Monday in the murder trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin.
And the city, in a unique juxtaposition, is bracing for riots not seen since last summer as council members again seek to defund police.
A video recorded by a bystander showing the White officer with his knee pressed to the back of the Black man's neck for nearly nine minutes, ignoring his pleas that he couldn't breathe, will likely serve as a focal point for prosecutors.
The defense is expected to argue that Floyd was not killed on Memorial Day by Chauvin's knee – but rather by the drugs he ingested while resisting arrest and underlying health conditions, including high blood pressure and heart disease.
As jurors consider arguments from both sides high above on the 18th floor of the Hennepin County Government Center, the intersection where that footage was captured at E. 38th Street and Chicago Avenue has devolved into an autonomous zone riddled with gun violence and gang activity.
Armed individuals have sought to keep both law enforcement and journalists out of the barricaded George Floyd Square, as local residents and business owners have appealed for help.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-what-to-know
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2021, 07:54:57 pm
IMHO he is already GUILTY until they can prove him innocent, which isn't going to happen. The MSM has already set things in motion, that should he be found innocent, a major, major race war would erupt.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 28, 2021, 08:02:06 pm
I find it outrageous they declared the park named after the addled druggy who assaulted police officers an Autonomous Zone. So wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2021, 08:03:47 pm
I find it outrageous they declared the park named after the addled druggy who assaulted police officers an Autonomous Zone. So wrong on so many levels.
Pretty much just about everything these days are wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 28, 2021, 08:04:17 pm
How is being allowed to present cause-of-death evidence even an issue? If the prosecution is going to charge murder or manslaughter, they would have to present cause-of-death evidence. And the defense has to be allowed to cross-examine any/every prosecution witness and challenge any/all evidence the prosecution presents.
Especially if that evidence is Brady Material.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 28, 2021, 08:06:37 pm
This is almost as bad as the lynchings of the early mid 1900's era . Mob racist mentality controlling justice process.... only difference is the rope, torches, and rural setting. This time the hooded ones are BLM liars, and complict liberal lawyers and judges afraid of the BLM pukes.
If the politicos were willing to do what they should have done when the first riots started--call out the National Guard, impose a curfew, and shut it down--they would not be living in fear of a not guilty verdict for Chauvin.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 28, 2021, 08:08:04 pm
If the politicos were willing to do what they should have done when the first riots started--call out the National Guard, impose a curfew, and shut it down--they would not be living in fear of a not guilty verdict for Chauvin.
Not to mention saving Billions of property damage in the following months.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2021, 08:10:06 pm
If the politicos were willing to do what they should have done when the first riots started--call out the National Guard, impose a curfew, and shut it down--they would not be living in fear of a not guilty verdict for Chauvin.
Absolutely agree 100%!!!! IMHO, chances are Trump wouldn't have lost the election either.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 28, 2021, 08:22:19 pm
Absolutely agree 100%!!!! IMHO, chances are Trump wouldn't have lost the election either.
Minnesota refused that help (as did the other usual Rat suspects like CA, OR and WA), and it takes a tyrant like any given Rat to force that upon an unwilling state. Blaming Trump for that is misguided.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2021, 08:32:23 pm
Minnesota refused that help (as did the other usual Rat suspects like CA, OR and WA), and it takes a tyrant like any given Rat to force that upon an unwilling state. Blaming Trump for that is misguided.
I think he could have handled it differently in a much more timely manner. HOWEVER, you are right, it wouldn't have made a dang bit of difference what he did, the 'fix' was in to destroy him long ago.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Fishrrman on March 28, 2021, 09:11:14 pm
bele wrote: "The MSM has already set things in motion, that should he be found innocent, a major, major race war would erupt."
Might as well get it over with, it's probably coming anyway.
One way or the other, this trial probably will mark the end of Minneapolis being a viable city... or perhaps a civilized "city" at all...
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2021, 09:19:33 pm
I find it outrageous they declared the park named after the addled druggy who assaulted police officers an Autonomous Zone. So wrong on so many levels.
George Floyd and family lived in Texas. He got in so much trouble with cops/drugs, etc., they left Texas to "start over" again.
Floyd may have been run out of Texas. Although I'm no expert, I don't think starting over includes doing drugs, especially one of the most powerful and addictive drugs known today, Fentanyl,
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 29, 2021, 03:33:23 pm
Floyd family lawyer: No one would call this a hard case if victim was white By Marty Johnson - 03/29/21 10:03 AM EDT
Civil rights attorney Ben Crump on Monday set the tone prior to opening statements in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minnesota police officer who is charged with the killing of George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, in Minneapolis last May.
“Today starts a landmark trial that will be a referendum on how far America has come on its quest for equality and justice for all,†Crump said at a press conference outside of Hennepin County courthouse in downtown Minneapolis.
“This murder case is not hard, just look at the torture video of George Floyd,†Crump continued, saying that there would be no question whether Chauvin would get convicted if Floyd was white.
Crump, who represented Floyd’s family in a record $27 million settlement with the city, also predicted that Chauvin’s defense team would try to attack the character of Floyd, calling him “everything but a child of God.â€
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/545351-floyd-family-lawyer-no-one-would-call-this-a-hard-case-if-victim-was
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 29, 2021, 03:34:43 pm
How much of that 27mil did Crump get?
The judge needs to issue a gag order...I hope that would include Crump and his associates.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 29, 2021, 04:17:56 pm
The judge needs to issue a gag order...I hope that would include Crump and his associates.
Heck, the stupid Judge would not even entertain a change of venue, so the "trial" is being held where there is a park named after the alleged "victim."
The only gag orders will be on Chauvin's team.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on March 29, 2021, 05:30:06 pm
Heck, the stupid Judge would not even entertain a change of venue, so the "trial" is being held where there is a park named after the alleged "victim."
The only gag orders will be on Chauvin's team.
Would Chauvin have the ability to appeal based on that?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 29, 2021, 05:50:15 pm
How can that guy possibly get a fair trial. Sad what has happened to our country. What WE'VE let happen...
Whole deal is a freaking circus of injustice. Thug in process of overdosing and fighting back brings down our criminal justice system.
St. George was nothing but a thug and his "legal" team and entourage are a bunch of savage jackals profiting from the whole sorted event.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 30, 2021, 04:59:22 pm
FNC’s Jarrett: ‘More than Enough Evidence to Convict’ Derek Chauvin in George Floyd Trial
Trent Baker 30 Mar 2021
Monday on Fox News Channel’s “Hannity,†network legal analyst Gregg Jarrett reacted to the Derek Chauvin trial, which began earlier that day.
According to Jarrett, “there is more than enough evidence to convict†Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. He pointed to the “compelling evidence of guilt†from the video recording of the scene.
“[J]urors, Sean, became eyewitnesses to the horrifying death of George Floyd,†Jarrett said of the trial’s opening arguments. “The digital recording transported them effectively back in time, placing them at the scene observing events minute by agonizing minute, and the seconds seemed to tick away like it was a slow-motion death spiral. Sean, this is compelling evidence of guilt. The jurors heard Floyd’s frightened pleas — ‘I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. Help me, please.’ They heard bystanders say you’re killing them. And then the jury saw Floyd’s both go limp as he lapsed into unconsciousness, lifeless, and by any measure, it was heart-wrenching and grotesque. And any compassionate person, Sean, would be incensed and angry at Derek Chauvin’s actions, which is precisely why prosecutors made the digital recording their star witness. All other evidence or testimony in this trial will pale in comparison. There were so many opportunities for Chauvin to stop, yet he refused. And when it was obvious that Floyd was not breathing, Chauvin could have rendered aid; he didn’t do it. It wasn’t just indifference to human life. It was malice.â€
He continued, “[T]he question is not whether Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, only that his actions toward Floyd were intentional. Second of all, prosecutors don’t have to prove that Chauvin’s conduct was the sole cause of death, only that it was a substantial factor. The defense is claiming a drug overdose killed Floyd, but the law, the autopsy, the recording itself, especially the videotape, will overcome all of that. The defense is claiming that the client did not use excessive force. That seems utterly preposterous when you watch the tape. There is more than enough evidence to convict because, Sean, seeing is believing.â€
Host Sean Hannity asked Jarrett where he sees the trial going.
“It goes toward conviction,†Jarrett replied.
“Look, Sean, it’s very clear — you may never use lethal force to meet nonlethal threat,†he added. “And that’s precisely what Derek Chauvin and officers in Minnesota, Minneapolis, are taught. So, there will be an expert who will make it abundantly clear. And in fact, it’s the chief of police that this is excessive force. It was not proportional. And it was completely unreasonable, resulting in death.â€
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 30, 2021, 05:27:44 pm
Mixed martial arts witness tells Chauvin trial he 'witnessed a murder' By Marty Johnson - 03/30/21 12:09 PM EDT
A prosecution witness with experience in mixed martial arts on Tuesday said he believed he witnessed a murder during a 911 call played in court on the second day of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin's trial for the death of George Floyd.
Donald Williams, 33, was heard on the emergency call stating: "He just pretty much killed this guy that wasn’t resisting arrest.â€
Williams told those attending the trial in the Hennepin County Courthouse Tuesday morning that he made the call because he believed he had “witnessed a murder.â€
Williams, a witness for the prosecution with a background in both wresting and mixed martial arts, had began his testimony late Monday afternoon. He said during Monday's proceedings that Chauvin had Floyd in a “blood choke.â€
Also known as a carotid hold, a “blood choke†refers to a chokehold that cuts off blood supply from the brain by placing pressure on either or both sides of a person’s neck where the carotid arteries are located.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/545553-mixed-martial-arts-witness-tells-chauvin-trial-he-witnessed-a-murder
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 30, 2021, 06:04:08 pm
So it's the prosecutor's turn, and if the job is done properly people would be ready to take him out and shoot him like a rabid dog on the spot. Jarret's just a typical media fool, so I don't pay attention to him.
The George Zimmerman trial was like that, also with an extremely biased Judge putting her thumb on the scale. The prosecutor's case looked pretty good until the defense got their hands on the "witnesses" and physical evidence. Even the hanging Judge could not convince the jury.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on March 30, 2021, 06:22:53 pm
So it's the prosecutor's turn, and if the job is done properly people would be ready to take him out and shoot him like a rabid dog on the spot. Jarret's just a typical media fool, so I don't pay attention to him.
The George Zimmerman trial was like that, also with an extremely biased Judge putting her thumb on the scale. The prosecutor's case looked pretty good until the defense got their hands on the "witnesses" and physical evidence. Even the hanging Judge could not convince the jury.
What was the jury make-up then? I think the biggest challenge that Chauvin will have is that it's primarily a black, female jury. Impartiality isn't a word that comes to mind when considering that.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DB on March 30, 2021, 06:40:19 pm
FNC’s Jarrett: ‘More than Enough Evidence to Convict’ Derek Chauvin in George Floyd Trial
Trent Baker 30 Mar 2021
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Monday on Fox News Channel’s “Hannity,†network legal analyst Gregg Jarrett reacted to the Derek Chauvin trial, which began earlier that day.
According to Jarrett, “there is more than enough evidence to convict†Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. He pointed to the “compelling evidence of guilt†from the video recording of the scene.
“[J]urors, Sean, became eyewitnesses to the horrifying death of George Floyd,†Jarrett said of the trial’s opening arguments. “The digital recording transported them effectively back in time, placing them at the scene observing events minute by agonizing minute, and the seconds seemed to tick away like it was a slow-motion death spiral. Sean, this is compelling evidence of guilt. The jurors heard Floyd’s frightened pleas — ‘I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. Help me, please.’ They heard bystanders say you’re killing them. And then the jury saw Floyd’s both go limp as he lapsed into unconsciousness, lifeless, and by any measure, it was heart-wrenching and grotesque. And any compassionate person, Sean, would be incensed and angry at Derek Chauvin’s actions, which is precisely why prosecutors made the digital recording their star witness. All other evidence or testimony in this trial will pale in comparison. There were so many opportunities for Chauvin to stop, yet he refused. And when it was obvious that Floyd was not breathing, Chauvin could have rendered aid; he didn’t do it. It wasn’t just indifference to human life. It was malice.â€
He continued, “[T]he question is not whether Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, only that his actions toward Floyd were intentional. Second of all, prosecutors don’t have to prove that Chauvin’s conduct was the sole cause of death, only that it was a substantial factor. The defense is claiming a drug overdose killed Floyd, but the law, the autopsy, the recording itself, especially the videotape, will overcome all of that. The defense is claiming that the client did not use excessive force. That seems utterly preposterous when you watch the tape. There is more than enough evidence to convict because, Sean, seeing is believing.â€
Host Sean Hannity asked Jarrett where he sees the trial going.
“It goes toward conviction,†Jarrett replied.
“Look, Sean, it’s very clear — you may never use lethal force to meet nonlethal threat,†he added. “And that’s precisely what Derek Chauvin and officers in Minnesota, Minneapolis, are taught. So, there will be an expert who will make it abundantly clear. And in fact, it’s the chief of police that this is excessive force. It was not proportional. And it was completely unreasonable, resulting in death.â€
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 30, 2021, 07:26:46 pm
9-year-old witness says medics asked Chauvin to get off of Floyd
A 9-year-old witness who testified Tuesday in the trial of Derek Chauvin said the former Minneapolis police officer initially ignored requests by medics to remove his knee from George Floyd’s neck in the moments leading up to his death last May.
The young witness, one of several minors not publicly identified in the courtroom, said she saw firsthand when Chauvin pressed into Floyd for nearly nine minutes.
The girl said she had gone to buy snacks at a nearby store with her cousin, 18-year-old Darnella Frazier, who testified immediately before the 9-year-old Tuesday.
The younger girl said that when she walked out of the store, she “saw an officer put his knee on the neck of George Floyd.â€
When asked if she saw the officer in the courtroom, the young witness initially said, “No,†not recognizing Chauvin behind his face mask. She changed her answer moments later after the former officer stood up and removed his facial covering.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/545601-9-year-old-witness-says-medics-asked-chauvin-to-get-off-of-floyd
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 30, 2021, 09:41:33 pm
This is just a show trial, in the Soviet sense. Of course he will be convicted, and may not survive to appeal.
This has bugger-all to do with justice (otherwise, there would have been no rush to make Floyd's relatives millionaires), it's just a political show.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on March 30, 2021, 10:11:44 pm
...as an example to all cops: Treat all minorities with kid gloves, and turn them loose no matter what the crime. The only reason those feral "teenagers" got caught for murdering the Paki Uber driver in DeeCee was because the National Guard was there.
Meanwhile, in NYC they're removing civil protection from cops so they can get sued easily.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on March 30, 2021, 10:54:36 pm
...as an example to all cops: Treat all minorities with kid gloves, and turn them loose no matter what the crime. The only reason those feral "teenagers" got caught for murdering the Paki Uber driver in DeeCee was because the National Guard was there.
Meanwhile, in NYC they're removing civil protection from cops so they can get sued easily.
This is just the beginning. The cities are going to continue to degrade as we continue our slide to 3rd-world status.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2021, 05:06:10 am
...as an example to all cops: Treat all minorities with kid gloves, and turn them loose no matter what the crime. The only reason those feral "teenagers" got caught for murdering the Paki Uber driver in DeeCee was because the National Guard was there.
Meanwhile, in NYC they're removing civil protection from cops so they can get sued easily.
If I was one of New York's finest, I'd be looking for a different venue, tout suite.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Sighlass on March 31, 2021, 05:17:47 am
Chauvin Trial Day 2 Wrap-Up: State Focused on Feelings, Judge Scolds Firefighter
12:15 AM · Mar 31, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1377112175077072901
Millennials...
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2021, 07:25:37 pm
George Floyd appeared 'high' when he handed over fake $20 bill and 'had difficulty forming words', worker testifies, as court is shown never-before seen footage moments before he died
The third day of Derek Chauvin's murder trial kicked off on Wednesday in Minneapolis The jury was shown new video of George Floyd inside the Cup Foods store before his death on May 25, 2020 Cup Foods employee Christopher Martin took the stand to testify about how staff called the cops on Floyd because they believed he used a counterfeit $20 bill Martin said he examined the bill Floyd used to buy cigarettes because it had a strange 'blue pigment' He said he considered paying for Floyd's purchase out of pocket but ultimately called his manager Martin said that the two things he noticed about Floyd were his 'size' and he appeared to be 'high' Across about ten minutes of footage, Floyd was seen meandering around the store, rifling through his pockets Martin said his manager instructed a co-worker to call police after Floyd refused to come back in the store Minutes later he went outside and say Floyd restrained by Chauvin and other officers He said he took a video but later deleted it because he believed Floyd had died
By Laura Collins, Chief Investigative Reporter For Dailymail.Com In Minneapolis and Megan Sheets For Dailymail.com
Published: 10:53 EDT, 31 March 2021 | Updated: 14:06 EDT, 31 March 2021
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9423147/Derek-Chauvin-trial-Firefighter-witnessed-George-Floyds-death-resumes-testimony.html
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 09:01:44 pm
Article V Convention of States please @philthatremains
10:29 AM · Mar 31, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/philthatremains/status/1377266927601647623
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 09:07:34 pm
Alpha News @AlphaNewsMN
Christopher Martin, who worked at Cup Foods at the time of George Floyd's death, says his manager told him to go out to Floyd's vehicle a 2nd time to ask him to come back inside to discuss the $20 bill. The court then plays surveillance video of that happening.
Christopher Martin, who worked at Cup Foods at the time of George Floyd's death, says his manager told him to go out to Floyd's vehicle a 2nd time to ask him to come back inside to discuss the $20 bill. The court then plays surveillance video of that happening.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 10:19:44 pm
Ben Crump @AttorneyCrump
Reporter: You always talk about 2 justice systems in America. Can you explain?
Me: Imagine if George Floyd killed Derek Chauvin by drilling his knee on his neck for 9:29. What would he be charged with? How long of a sentence? How would the media describe him?
The Hennepin County Public Defender's Office filed a notice Wednesday on behalf of Morries Lester Hall, 42, who was in the car with Floyd when police approached him for allegedly using a fake $20 bill at Cup Foods in Minneapolis.
"Mr. Morries Lester Hall, through undersigned counsel, hereby provides notice to all parties in this matter that if called to testify he will invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination," said a notice filed by assistant public defender Adrienne Cousins. "Therefore, counsel for Mr. Hall respectfully moves this court to quash the subpoena ... and release Mr. Hall from any obligations therein."
Authorities previously said Hall was a key witness in the state’s investigation into the four officers who apprehended Floyd. He was seen in police body camera videos sitting in the car with Floyd -- his longtime friend -- as another occupant, Shawanda Hill, sat in the back seat.
Sounds like Hall lied to investigators to get police officers prosecuted and doesn't want to choose between committing easily exposed perjury and whatever charges would arise from lying to the investigators after testifying truthfully.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 05:30:20 pm
Does anybody else on this thread find it interesting that Floyd's "car" was a Mercedes SUV? A pretty fine ride for a fellow passing fake $20 bills.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 06:32:05 pm
Does anybody else on this thread find it interesting that Floyd's "car" was a Mercedes SUV? A pretty fine ride for a fellow passing fake $20 bills.
Nope! Not a single bit! The reason the turd was in Minnesota to begin with is that he had run out of string in his home state of Texas WRT law enforcement.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 01, 2021, 06:52:16 pm
Chauvin Trial: Star Prosecution Witness In Floyd Case Apparently Wore Black Lives Matter T-Shirt On Stand (Photos)
Defense could come up with all kinds of reasons for a mistrial and could present a rock solid case that Chauvin is indeed innocent. It's not going to matter. He's already been handed a guilty verdict by the MSM, Antifa, BLM and other various groups. The judge didn't allow a change of venue, the jury has been stacked against him; this trial was over before it began.
Once he is handed his sentence he will meet his demise very quickly. He's a cop that murdered a black man period.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 07:41:17 pm
Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays
Plot twist. Did not see this coming.
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Lauren Dawn Johnson @LaurenDawnFox29 · 4h
Ross says she was saved in Floyd’s phone as “Momma!â€
Defense asking this question since Floyd was crying out “Momma†in his final moments under Chauvin’s knee.
11:37 AM · Apr 1, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1377646337055854598
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 07:46:24 pm
Sounds like Hall lied to investigators to get police officers prosecuted and doesn't want to choose between committing easily exposed perjury and whatever charges would arise from lying to the investigators after testifying truthfully.
If this is the same guy, perhaps there are other things he could be incriminated on as well.
http://twitter.com/i/status/1377646468249583617
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: goatprairie on April 01, 2021, 08:02:04 pm
Alright, so white George Floyd, with all of black Floyd's criminal history, drug habits, and bad heart, and size gets arrested for trying to pass a fake 20 dollar bill. He resists arrest and his placed on the ground with a black officer's knee on his neck. After 9-10 minutes he succumbs. Do white people immediately start rioting, burning, and looting demanding justice? Where were the white mobs rioting, looting, and destroying after Justine Diamond got killed by the Somali cop a few years ago? They weren't there. Floyd was a typical black thug with a violent history. Diamond was a good person who was shot by a black cop because she knocked on his car window. The world is better off without Floyd and worse off without Diamond. I'm sorry, I don't know if Chauvin's knee contributed greatly to Floyd's demise, but nobody is going to miss this idiot including his family members who've won the ghetto lottery. I'm not excusing Chauvin for possibly overreacting in keeping Floyd subdued, but I'm just sick of the hold the deaths of black thugs have on America at the moment.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 01, 2021, 10:53:02 pm
Witness faults police for not doing chest compressions on Floyd
A paramedic who testified at the trial of Derek Chauvin on Thursday criticized Minneapolis police officers for not doing chest compressions on George Floyd at the scene, saying “any layperson can do chest compressions.â€
The criticism came during defense attorney Eric Nelson's cross examination of Derek Smith, the paramedic.
“Any layperson can do chest compressions. There’s no reason Minneapolis couldn’t have started chest compressions,†Smith told Nelson as the defense attorney questioned him over treatment offered to Floyd in the back of an ambulance after paramedics arrived on the scene.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2021, 10:59:36 pm
My two cents...
There are YouTube videos out there showing George Floyd being arrested on a couple different occasions.
Each time, the tries to 'hide' the drugs by placing them in his mouth...ingesting them.
Thus...the "foaming" at the mouth.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2021, 12:12:14 am
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George Floyd seen ‘flatlining’ in new footage played in court as first paramedic on scene says he knew he was ‘already dead’ | GRAPHIC WARNING WARNING: Footage may be disturbing to some
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 02, 2021, 12:27:11 am
It's now very clear that the prosecution has decided to go the emotional route.
Minneapolis and the inner cities are going to burn this summer. This time, Biden and the Democrats won't be able to tie them to DJT
I used to care. I used to really care about the crime and murder in the inner cities. I no longer do. They keep voting in the same people who are killing the cities so there's nothing I can do about that
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 12:50:18 am
We haven’t even finished the Derek Chauvin trial. You get what you voted for Minneapolis.
2:05 PM · Mar 12, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1370450960498130948
And I read, 17 million on GO FUND ME Page. CRIME DOES PAY! 7 time felon, 5 years in prison, high on all kind of drugs, while driving a car. Want to be in that traffic with him? He was a PORN star, into trafficking young children as sex slaves.
HIS DRUG USE IS WHAT KILLED HIM.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 12:59:28 am
Witness faults police for not doing chest compressions on Floyd
A paramedic who testified at the trial of Derek Chauvin on Thursday criticized Minneapolis police officers for not doing chest compressions on George Floyd at the scene, saying “any layperson can do chest compressions.â€
The criticism came during defense attorney Eric Nelson's cross examination of Derek Smith, the paramedic.
“Any layperson can do chest compressions. There’s no reason Minneapolis couldn’t have started chest compressions,†Smith told Nelson as the defense attorney questioned him over treatment offered to Floyd in the back of an ambulance after paramedics arrived on the scene.
FROM ANNE COUTURE, below. Do not believe that crumpet, aka New Al Sharpton. ALL LIARS. ALL OF THEM. ---------------------- “No life-threatening injuries identified — “A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae “B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal structures “C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
“D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries
“E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks negative for occult traumaâ€
In short: No bloodshot eyes and no trauma to any part of Floyd’s neck.
And yet, day after day, prosecutors, witnesses and the media tell us that Chauvin “squeezed the life out of†Floyd. The medical evidence establishes that whatever else caused his death, it was NOT asphyxiation.
That’s the entire case against Officer Chauvin! But the howling mob isn’t giving up its holy religious observance because of one dork in a lab coat. The sun might not rise! The city of Minneapolis could be wiped out! Wait — that might actually happen.
The medical examiner also found that Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system — I don’t want to say “to kill a horse,†because that would be a cliche. But it would be enough to bump off an entire team of Budweiser Clydesdales. In technical medical jargon: “A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens: “1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL†That’s just the first few words of the “Toxicology†section. Also listed are norfentanyl, 4-ANPP, methamphetamine, cannabinoids, amphetamines, morphine and so on. But the 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl is rather important, inasmuch as the chief medical examiner called this “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances,†saying, “deaths have been certified with levels of 3.†Three. But George Floyd went up to 11.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 01:20:38 am
Chosen jurors are broadly diverse in terms of gender, race, and age Posted by Andrew Branca Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 09:41am
Welcome to our ongoing coverage of the Minnesota murder trial of Derek Chauvin, over the in-custody death of George Floyd. I am Attorney Andrew Branca for Law of Self Defense, providing guest commentary and analysis of this trial for Legal Insurrection.
With the trial set to begin with opening arguments on Monday, March 29 at 9:00am CT, the court finally managed to select 15 jurors effective yesterday. Only 14 of these will actually be sworn in and seated on Monday morning—if all 15 chosen show up, one of them will be sent home. The court’s given no indication on the process to be used to choose the 15th unnecessary juror—it may simply be whoever shows up last on Monday.
In any case, I thought I’d take the opportunity to collect what we know of the jurors, both in aggregate and individually, here in a single blog post, along with brief descriptions of the jurors as shared by the court and media, including their gender and race. The descriptions of the jurors are sourced from USA Today, as well as from my own notes taken during voir dire.)
I’ve also included the video of the voir dire of each of the selected jurors.
more https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/chauvin-trial-meet-the-jurors/
How nice. Now if they don't vote 'GUILTY'...they will go after these juries. WTH.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DB on April 02, 2021, 02:48:35 am
Witness faults police for not doing chest compressions on Floyd
A paramedic who testified at the trial of Derek Chauvin on Thursday criticized Minneapolis police officers for not doing chest compressions on George Floyd at the scene, saying “any layperson can do chest compressions.â€
The criticism came during defense attorney Eric Nelson's cross examination of Derek Smith, the paramedic.
“Any layperson can do chest compressions. There’s no reason Minneapolis couldn’t have started chest compressions,†Smith told Nelson as the defense attorney questioned him over treatment offered to Floyd in the back of an ambulance after paramedics arrived on the scene.
Yet no amount of chest compressions would have saved him from his Fentanyl overdose. He killed himself.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2021, 04:36:42 am
Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
George Floyd’s girlfriend testifying that they were both drug addicts who purchased drugs on the day that he died has got me thinking that a lot of people owe me an apology for being upset that I told the truth a year ago.
His toxicology report confirms she’s telling the truth.
2:48 PM · Apr 1, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1377694390995591168
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2021, 05:40:33 am
It's now very clear that the prosecution has decided to go the emotional route.
Minneapolis and the inner cities are going to burn this summer. This time, Biden and the Democrats won't be able to tie them to DJT
I used to care. I used to really care about the crime and murder in the inner cities. I no longer do. They keep voting in the same people who are killing the cities so there's nothing I can do about that
Well, they're gonna need a bigger street. Lake Street was already burned out, pretty much.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2021, 05:43:21 am
George Floyd’s girlfriend testifying that they were both drug addicts who purchased drugs on the day that he died has got me thinking that a lot of people owe me an apology for being upset that I told the truth a year ago.
His toxicology report confirms she’s telling the truth.
2:48 PM · Apr 1, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1377694390995591168
Oh yes but Derek killed George....it's a done deal. This white privileged policeman is toast.... ugh.....
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 02, 2021, 03:29:28 pm
It's now very clear that the prosecution has decided to go the emotional route.
Also known as the Democrat route.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 05, 2021, 08:06:08 pm
Minneapolis police chief says Chauvin should 'NO WAY' have kept motionless George Floyd pinned down by neck, and used 'unreasonable' force against him, in damning testimony
Police Chief Medaria Arradondo testified Monday, at the start of the trial's second week Arradondo said Chauvin's use of force 'absolutely' violated policy and belief in 'the sanctity of life' He said that the pressure that he used was contrary to all departmental teachings, adding: 'Once Mr Floyd had stopped resisting and certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, that should have stopped' Mr Arradondo fired Chauvin and three other officers the day after Mr Floyd's death on May 25 last year Experts had already said it is unprecedented to see a police chief testify against one of their officers Dr. Bradford Langenfeld, the medic who pronounced Floyd dead, also gave evidence Monday The chair set aside for a member of Chauvin's family has been removed from Hennepin County District Courthouse; there has been nobody to support Chauvin as he sits by his attorney's side
By Laura Collins Chief Investigative Reporter In Minneapolis, Minnesota For Dailymail.com and Lauren Fruen For Dailymail.com
Published: 12:20 EDT, 5 April 2021 | Updated: 16:00 EDT, 5 April 2021
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437761/Minneapoliss-black-police-chief-fired-Derek-Chauvin-gives-evidence-trial.html
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 05, 2021, 08:12:06 pm
Minneapolis police chief says Chauvin should 'NO WAY' have kept motionless George Floyd pinned down by neck, and used 'unreasonable' force against him, in damning testimony
Police Chief Medaria Arradondo testified Monday, at the start of the trial's second week Arradondo said Chauvin's use of force 'absolutely' violated policy and belief in 'the sanctity of life' He said that the pressure that he used was contrary to all departmental teachings, adding: 'Once Mr Floyd had stopped resisting and certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, that should have stopped' Mr Arradondo fired Chauvin and three other officers the day after Mr Floyd's death on May 25 last year Experts had already said it is unprecedented to see a police chief testify against one of their officers Dr. Bradford Langenfeld, the medic who pronounced Floyd dead, also gave evidence Monday The chair set aside for a member of Chauvin's family has been removed from Hennepin County District Courthouse; there has been nobody to support Chauvin as he sits by his attorney's side
By Laura Collins Chief Investigative Reporter In Minneapolis, Minnesota For Dailymail.com and Lauren Fruen For Dailymail.com
Published: 12:20 EDT, 5 April 2021 | Updated: 16:00 EDT, 5 April 2021
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437761/Minneapoliss-black-police-chief-fired-Derek-Chauvin-gives-evidence-trial.html
Pure CYA with the brothers, and I don't mean Brothers in Blue.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 05, 2021, 09:42:56 pm
I'm waiting for the daily wrap-up on Legal Insurrection. The blogger doing that is very good.
So, is the Persecution wrapping up? Other than the Chief turning on the Officers, all the previous witnesses did more for the defense than they did for the Persecution....
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 05, 2021, 10:50:02 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Chief of Police admits Chauvin knee may have been on George Floyd’s shoulder blade after shown body cam video from another perspective side-by-side
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 05, 2021, 10:53:41 pm
Alpha News @AlphaNewsMN
Defense counsel Eric Nelson discusses the concept of "camera perspective bias." Arradondo agrees that Chauvin's knee appears to be on Floyd's neck in the bystander video, but appears to be on his "shoulder blade" in the body-cam video. (Content may be disturbing to some viewers)
Well, they're gonna need a bigger street. Lake Street was already burned out, pretty much.
Yes, then the 'cry' of underserved communities, when people do not want to start any business there. They will get burned down. Probably no insurance, either.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 06, 2021, 08:49:50 pm
George Floyd's brother: 'After we get this verdict and we get this conviction, we’ll be able to breathe' https://www.fox9.com/news/rev-al-sharpton-to-lead-noon-prayer-with-floyd-family-outside-hennepin-county-courthouse
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 10:07:00 pm
Law of Self Defense @LawSelfDefense
This has been a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day for the prosecution in Chauvin trial.
Prosecution just got mauled on defense cross examination of state's own MPD use-of-force expert and MPD medical expert.
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Law of Self Defense @LawSelfDefense · 2h
And now Nelson is murdering the state on cross of MPD Medical Coordinator McKenzie, again a state's witness being used to beat them with a stick. twitter.com/LawSelfDefense…
3:32 PM · Apr 6, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/LawSelfDefense/status/1379517473276325888
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 10:11:15 pm
Robert Barnes @barnes_law
General advice: don't use an expert to prosecute someone who admits he did almost the exact same thing. #ChauvinTrial
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CrimeWatchMpls @CrimeWatchMpls · 5h
Under questioning by defense attorney Eric Nelson, Mercil admitted he's held down a suspect until EMS arrived.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 10:42:29 pm
Lou Raguse @LouRaguse
Officer MacKenzie -- on cross -- said that sometimes EMS "load and go" is done because bystanders sometimes attack paramedics. Not what prosecution would have liked her to say. They tried to object for relevance but were overruled.
3:25 PM · Apr 6, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/LouRaguse/status/1379515559671398407
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 10:45:29 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
Chauvin's lawyer just showed this picture to the jury
3:26 PM · Apr 6, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1379515882028859392
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 11:05:46 pm
3rd degree murder:"The unintentional killing of another through an eminently dangerous act committed with a depraved mind and without regard for human life."
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Lawyer for George Floyd’s dealer states he does not want to testify bc it could incriminate himself for George Floyd’s murder
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 11:11:59 pm
Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays
If there's any real interest in saving the country from the riots to come, the only mindfuck big enough to get it done is to charge Floyd's dealer with murder, assuming the dealer knew he was selling fentanyl.
Also charge China's leadership, to reinforce the point.
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Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter · 7h
George Floyd's alleged drug dealer invoking the fifth in anticipation of possible murder prosecution for giving him the drugs that killed him.
12:44 PM · Apr 6, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1379475081894621186
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 06, 2021, 11:38:40 pm
This would have never gone to trial if Keith Ellison wasn't the AG of Minn
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 06, 2021, 11:46:39 pm
This would have never gone to trial if Keith Ellison wasn't the AG of Minn
And Ellison wouldn't be there if not for George Soros's generosity.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 01:00:22 am
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 7 – Where is Cause of Death Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?
Arguing Floyd Died of Asphyxiation Just Means Fentanyl Killed Him
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Today marks a week and a half since the state has begun presenting their case in chief, and they have yet to nail down a key issue in this case—what, exactly, caused Floyd’s death?
We know they don’t believe that Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd, because Chauvin is not charged with an intentional killing—all the various charges against him, including the odd use of the term “murder†preferred by Minnesota, are unintentional killing crimes, at worst (e.g., felony murder, reckless homicide).
They sometimes suggest in passing Floyd was killed asphyxia, lack of oxygen to his tissues, perhaps induced by Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck, or pressure placed on Floyd’s body, or by positional asphyxia or purported failure to place Floyd in the so-called “recovery position.â€
The problem with this approach is two-fold. First, it’s impossible to determine with any degree of certainty, much less beyond a reasonable doubt, that any of the physical actions of the officers, including Chauvin’s knee in the absence of any sign of leg trauma, actually caused any degree of asphyxia. One can speculate that cause and effect, but speculation does not get one to proof beyond a reasonable doubt—at least not in the context of an evidence-based alternative explanation for asphyxia.
I haven't watched most of the trial, and the MSM has already declared Chauvin guilty. I still see that Chauvin kneeling on a hand-cuffed Floyd as using excessive force. The question though remains, did that act cause his death? Floyd on fentanyl with heart issues in my mind certainly raises some doubt.
Did he use excessive force? I say yes. Did that excessive force kill Floyd? Certainly questionable and may have contributed to his death.
In ordinary circumstances, I'd say that it will be difficult to prove without any doubt that Chauvin killed Floyd. These aren't ordinary circumstances and Chauvin will be found guilty. This trial makes the OJ trial looks tame in comparison. All hell will break lose unless he's convicted.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 01:20:48 am
The mob wants blood! They claim they will break things if they don't get it.
Let them break things and see their own.
He has 3 charges against him with maximums of 40, 25, and 10. I say he'll be lucky to get away with 10. On that charge they only have to prove that his actions could have contributed to his death.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 02:34:40 am
The state has to prove Chauvin's actions caused the death and so far, they haven't come close
Juries aren't chomping at the bit to put cops in prison. Don't confuse juries with the mob and media
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 12:43:38 pm
I can imagine what’s going through the mind of a juror on this case
You’re starting to figure out everything you were told last summer was a lie. You know that the state has not presented their case. You also know that riots are going to happen after you vote for an acquittal
If the past is any indication, jurors would rather risk riots than unjustifiably imprison a cop
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Idiot on April 07, 2021, 01:15:44 pm
I can imagine what’s going through the mind of a juror on this case
You’re starting to figure out everything you were told last summer was a lie. You know that the state has not presented their case. You also know that riots are going to happen after you vote for an acquittal
If the past is any indication, jurors would rather risk riots than unjustifiably imprison a cop
You are joking right? All the jurors are thinking is I can't hardly wait to get out of here with this guilty verdict. Of course he'll be convicted, it's a done deal even before the trial. When you are a juror and you're thinking...hmmm....they'll likely kill me and my family if I don't convict the guy.....well....that kind of seals the deal.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: catfish1957 on April 07, 2021, 01:30:14 pm
In our conflicted world or race and ideology......
One thug with a rap sheet a mile long succumbs to an Fentanyl OD while being arrested, and becomes a national martyred hero
An unarmed veteran gets killed at the Capitol in cold blood, and 91 days later, we still don't even know who that cop was.
Really sick of these double standards
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Bigun on April 07, 2021, 01:42:08 pm
In our conflicted world or race and idelology......
One thug with a rap sheet a mile long succumbs to an Fentanyl OD while being arrested, and becomes a national martyred hero
A unarmed veteran gets killed at the Capitol in cold blood, and 91 days later, we still don't even know who that cop was.
Really sick of these double standards
The thug was used as the excuse to cause countless millions of dollars in damages, not just in Minneapolis, but elsewhere as well. Yet the FBI is expending tremendous energy hunting down and charging people who didn't even enter the Capitol with "insurrection". Being called a "racist" because of the color of my skin is getting a mite tired, too.
But if it were not for double standards, the Left would have no standards at all.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 03:11:23 pm
You are joking right? All the jurors are thinking is I can't hardly wait to get out of here with this guilty verdict. Of course he'll be convicted, it's a done deal even before the trial. When you are a juror and you're thinking...hmmm....they'll likely kill me and my family if I don't convict the guy.....well....that kind of seals the deal.
Not joking at all
I’ve been watching this trial very closely and the state has yet to make a case that Chauvins actions remotely caused George Floyd’s death
Conservatives love victimhood. Everything you’ve listed I’ve heard over and over again that juries will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and yet they consistently do not.
The jurors on this case are very well aware that if they return a not guilty verdict riots will happen. But if history is any guide, they will risk it. I don’t see any evidence that the jurors are dying to convict us cop
One of the most wonderful things about our system is the verdict must be unanimous. But more importantly, the defendant is always assumed to be innocent. It’s up to the state to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty. Not the other way around
Whether it was the Michael Brown case, The Breonna Taylor case, the George Zimmerman case, the Freddie Gray case, Each time people on conservative websites said that your earth will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and they do not. And mob’s did threaten
There’s also that natural psychology and reluctance of juries to want to convict a cop unless what the cop did was particularly egregious.
This is looking more like the George Zimmerman case than the Michael Brown case. The jurors could say that the cop may have made some errors but that nothing he did rose to the crime of murder
This is not the first time mobs have made threats of violence if they don’t get a conviction only to find out that nothing supports any kind of conviction.
The reason that there’s been such a shift in public opinion from last summer on this is because people have gotten more information. Last June, 60 some percent believe that that cop murdered George Floyd. Today it’s 30 something
The jury is going to get a lot more information than even the general public. It’s pathetic watching the defense tear apart every single witness that the state has brought in
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on April 07, 2021, 04:36:10 pm
I’ve been watching this trial very closely and the state has yet to make a case that Chauvins actions remotely caused George Floyd’s death
Conservatives love victimhood. Everything you’ve listed I’ve heard over and over again that juries will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and yet they consistently do not.
The jurors on this case are very well aware that if they return a not guilty verdict riots will happen. But if history is any guide, they will risk it. I don’t see any evidence that the jurors are dying to convict us cop
One of the most wonderful things about our system is the verdict must be unanimous. But more importantly, the defendant is always assumed to be innocent. It’s up to the state to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty. Not the other way around
Whether it was the Michael Brown case, The Breonna Taylor case, the George Zimmerman case, the Freddie Gray case, Each time people on conservative websites said that your earth will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and they do not. And mob’s did threaten
There’s also that natural psychology and reluctance of juries to want to convict a cop unless what the cop did was particularly egregious.
This is looking more like the George Zimmerman case than the Michael Brown case. The jurors could say that the cop may have made some errors but that nothing he did rose to the crime of murder
This is not the first time mobs have made threats of violence if they don’t get a conviction only to find out that nothing supports any kind of conviction.
The reason that there’s been such a shift in public opinion from last summer on this is because people have gotten more information. Last June, 60 some percent believe that that cop murdered George Floyd. Today it’s 30 something
The jury is going to get a lot more information than even the general public. It’s pathetic watching the defense tear apart every single witness that the state has brought in
On the merits of the case presented by the prosecution and defense, at least what I've seen so far, Chauvin should be acquitted. However, the jury is heavily stacked with people who I believe will not be inclined towards impartiality. There will also be tremendous pressure on jurors to go along with what the mob wants. The media is doing everything it can to ignore a strong case from the defense. Chauvin lost the moment the judge refused a change of venue.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Idiot on April 07, 2021, 04:48:14 pm
On the merits of the case presented by the prosecution and defense, at least what I've seen so far, Chauvin should be acquitted. However, the jury is heavily stacked with people who I believe will not be inclined towards impartiality. There will also be tremendous pressure on jurors to go along with what the mob wants. The media is doing everything it can to ignore a strong case from the defense. Chauvin lost the moment the judge refused a change of venue.
The really sad part, if it wasn't sad enough....is that WHEN Chauvin goes to prison, and he will...he'll likely be killed.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 04:55:36 pm
The state has to prove Chauvin's actions caused the death and so far, they haven't come close
Juries aren't chomping at the bit to put cops in prison. Don't confuse juries with the mob and media
No. Not in the case of Third-degree murder which is only one of the charges against him.
It requires prosecutors to prove that someone caused the death of another "by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life." Legal experts note that the definition of "depraved mind" is murky— as is the legal line between "depraved mind" and the "culpable negligence" standard for manslaughter.
The prosecution has shown that kneeling on Floyd's neck was indeed an act eminently dangerous ... I think they have also proven that excessive force was used which could be seen as w/o regard for human life. Keep in mind that Floyd was handcuffed before Chauvin knelt on his neck. He said he couldn't breathe (witnesses/tapes) ... Chauvin didn't let up.
This is the charge that the judge had eliminated and then decided to reinstate. I think that this is what the prosecution is at the very least hoping to prove. It will bring a sentence of up to 10 years, it satisfies the mob who has already convicted him and of course the mob will riot anyways stating that the charges weren't enough.
As I have stated in an earlier post; I believe Chauvin will be convicted and will be killed in prison almost as soon as he arrives. He is a dead man walking.
No. Not in the case of Third-degree murder which is only one of the charges against him.
It requires prosecutors to prove that someone caused the death of another "by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life." Legal experts note that the definition of "depraved mind" is murky— as is the legal line between "depraved mind" and the "culpable negligence" standard for manslaughter.
The prosecution has shown that kneeling on Floyd's neck was indeed an act eminently dangerous ... I think they have also proven that excessive force was used which could be seen as w/o regard for human life. Keep in mind that Floyd was handcuffed before Chauvin knelt on his neck. He said he couldn't breathe (witnesses/tapes) ... Chauvin didn't let up.
This is the charge that the judge had eliminated and then decided to reinstate. I think that this is what the prosecution is at the very least hoping to prove. It will bring a sentence of up to 10 years, it satisfies the mob who has already convicted him and of course the mob will riot anyways stating that the charges weren't enough.
As I have stated in an earlier post; I believe Chauvin will be convicted and will be killed in prison almost as soon as he arrives. He is a dead man walking.
No. They still have to prove that Chauvin’s knee lead to the death of George Floyd. Read the Hennepin County coroner report. It’s gonna be pretty hard to convince a jury of that when a guy has three times the lethal amount of fentanyl plus other drugs in his system
I have taken a very big interest in this case and it has read a lot about it because we destroy the country based on something that’s turning out not to be true. Any questions I have a sister who is an attorney in Florida she thinks this cop is going to get off completely. The state still has not been able to show convincingly that the cops knee cause his death.
Be careful what you’re reading in the media. They’re only showing the prosecutions case and not the cross examination by the defense. At some point, the defense will have its chance and the cop will have his chance to give his side of the story
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 05:18:30 pm
On the merits of the case presented by the prosecution and defense, at least what I've seen so far, Chauvin should be acquitted. However, the jury is heavily stacked with people who I believe will not be inclined towards impartiality. There will also be tremendous pressure on jurors to go along with what the mob wants. The media is doing everything it can to ignore a strong case from the defense. Chauvin lost the moment the judge refused a change of venue.
The only reason that this case went to trial was because Keith Ellison is the attorney general Minnesota. With a more sane attorney general, the cops would’ve been suspended pending investigation and it would’ve been ruled of that Floyd died due to the drugs in his system
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 05:21:02 pm
No. They still have to prove that Chauvin’s knee lead to the death of George Floyd. Read the Hennepin County coroner report. It’s gonna be pretty hard to convince a jury of that when a guy has three times the lethal amount of fentanyl plus other drugs in his system
I have taken a very big interest in this case and it has read a lot about it because we destroy the country based on something that’s turning out not to be true. Any questions I have a sister who is an attorney in Florida she thinks this cop is going to get off completely. The state still has not been able to show convincingly that the cops knee cause his death.
Be careful what you’re reading in the media. They’re only showing the prosecutions case and not the cross examination by the defense. At some point, the defense will have its chance and the cop will have his chance to give his side of the story
This is a normal sequence with a trial. The press declared they had George Zimmerman dead to rights at this point of the Persecutor's presentation, and the "hanging Judge" agreed. Her best efforts led to an eventual acquittal.
When I read the daily blog at Legal Insurrection, I can see what the Defense is doing in Cross-ex and they are proving the Persecution's witnesses are doing more for the defense than they are doing for themselves.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 05:23:41 pm
All of these radicalized attorney generals and district attorneys need to be exposed and called out or we will never be able to control crime in this country
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 05:33:36 pm
This is a normal sequence with a trial. The press declared they had George Zimmerman dead to rights at this point of the Persecutor's presentation, and the "hanging Judge" agreed. Her best efforts led to an eventual acquittal.
When I read the daily blog at Legal Insurrection, I can see what the Defense is doing in Cross-ex and they are proving the Persecution's witnesses are doing more for the defense than they are doing for themselves.
In fact, one of the states witnesses is going to be called back by the defense as one of their own
Before this trial started, I predicted that the state, lacking forensics and facts, Will seek the emotional arguments. Predicted it spot on
I believe that any cop who chooses to work in an inner-city, knowing what we all know, are on their own going forward
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 05:40:37 pm
Keep in mind, defense attorneys are not stupid. There are very well aware that Minnesota has a weak case and they’re also aware that there’s a mob demanding a conviction regardless of the facts and that’s on the jurors minds
Watch and listen, when the trial wraps up, what the defense attorneys closing arguments will be to the jury. Expect to hear the term “mob justiceâ€
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Absalom on April 07, 2021, 05:51:49 pm
IMHO he is already GUILTY until they can prove him innocent, which isn't going to happen. The MSM has already set things in motion, that should he be found innocent, a major, major race war would erupt.
------------------------ Intuitively on the mark! The msm is using this to provoke conflict which even a toddler can grasp.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 06:07:55 pm
------------------------ Intuitively on the mark! The msm is using this to provoke conflict which even a toddler can grasp.
Then bring it. I've long had a theory about this: Today black folks make up about 13-14% of the total US population. After a "race war" that will be closer to 10%. Rioters will succeed where Margaret Sanger failed.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 07:04:24 pm
Then bring it. I've long had a theory about this: Today black folks make up about 13-14% of the total US population. After a "race war" that will be closer to 10%. Rioters will succeed where Margaret Sanger failed.
Once the general public has had enough the 'race war' won't last very long - as is always the case with bullies when opposition is encountered the most militant among the racialists will suddenly find other things to concern themselves with and streets will suddenly be extraordinarily peaceful.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 07, 2021, 07:34:20 pm
Then bring it. I've long had a theory about this: Today black folks make up about 13-14% of the total US population. After a "race war" that will be closer to 10%. Rioters will succeed where Margaret Sanger failed.
Then the leftists win all the way around with no hope for recovery of our Republic. They have been pushing for a race war for a long time to permanently divide this country. Think of what they have allowed; LBJ's Great Society, affirmative action, the rise and terror of Antifa, BLM, etc., and from my viewpoint, the Blacks are winning.
You think that they won't win the race war? Which side do you think the left is on? Certainly not on the side of the Whites, Christians, nor conservatives. Black empowerment zones have been emerging for quite sometime.
Then they will empower all those ILLEGALS and Hispanics.
Whites will be outnumbered.
The ONLY way to remedy this situation, and I've stated it several times is for BLACKS AND WHITES to come together to defeat this blatant overreach of our corrupt government. Allowing the leftists to divide us will enable them to continue to conquer us.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 08:04:38 pm
Then bring it. I've long had a theory about this: Today black folks make up about 13-14% of the total US population. After a "race war" that will be closer to 10%. Rioters will succeed where Margaret Sanger failed.
It pains me to say that I’m getting to that point also
Candace Owens was right. The inner-city black community is the only culture that embraces criminality
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 08:06:24 pm
Then the leftists win all the way around with no hope for recovery of our Republic. They have been pushing for a race war for a long time to permanently divide this country. Think of what they have allowed; LBJ's Great Society, affirmative action, the rise and terror of Antifa, BLM, etc., and from my viewpoint, the Blacks are winning.
You think that they won't win the race war? Which side do you think the left is on? Certainly not on the side of the Whites, Christians, nor conservatives. Black empowerment zones have been emerging for quite sometime.
Then they will empower all those ILLEGALS and Hispanics.
Whites will be outnumbered.
The ONLY way to remedy this situation, and I've stated it several times is for BLACKS AND WHITES to come together to defeat this blatant overreach of our corrupt government. Allowing the leftists to divide us will enable them to continue to conquer us.
Your reasoning has an important flaw: Hispanics will never fight on the side of blacks. When there are "race riots" in Los Angeles, it's always the browns vs the blacks while everybody else gets out of Dodge. Yes, the Latinos will pick a side, but it's not going to be the one you think. And the Asians will also choose sides accordingly.
A "race war" would be blacks vs. everybody else, and that's how I arrived at my theory about relative population following such a battle royale.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 08:08:28 pm
It pains me to say that I’m getting to that point also
Candace Owens was right. The inner-city black community is the only culture that embraces criminality
The small-town black folks I know here would never engage, because they know better than the urban yoots the rationale is bullshit. They don't get by on welfare because there isn't much of that around...they get by the way the rest of us do. Work.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 07, 2021, 08:47:49 pm
Your reasoning has an important flaw: Hispanics will never fight on the side of blacks. When there are "race riots" in Los Angeles, it's always the browns vs the blacks while everybody else gets out of Dodge. Yes, the Latinos will pick a side, but it's not going to be the one you think. And the Asians will also choose sides accordingly.
A "race war" would be blacks vs. everybody else, and that's how I arrived at my theory about relative population following such a battle royale.
Ok. I still believe in order to win the on going battle with our govt's globalist agenda, we have to stand united. I just don't see any other way to win at this. Time for us to all realize that it truly isn't black v. white, but a gov't who pitted black against white. The gov't is the enemy of the state.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 07, 2021, 09:08:38 pm
The small-town black folks I know here would never engage, because they know better than the urban yoots the rationale is bullshit. They don't get by on welfare because there isn't much of that around...they get by the way the rest of us do. Work.
All the problems with Black people in this country is not universal. I have known a few Black people raised in suburban and urban areas and they are nothing like the inner-city Black people. Even some who come from places like the Caribbean or Africa are not like those raised in the inner-city. It’s like there’s a sub group of a group that’s alien
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 07, 2021, 09:17:29 pm
All the problems with Black people in this country is not universal. I have known a few Black people raised in suburban and urban areas and they are nothing like the inner-city Black people. Even some who come from places like the Caribbean or Africa are not like those raised in the inner-city. It’s like there’s a sub group of a group that’s alien
Some of the Blacks around here in the inner-city work to make a living, and they respond with "yes m'aam and no m'aam. Southern Blacks for the most part are a very hospitable group around here and recognize the gov't role in the fiasco that we all face. As a community they are also plagued with high crime and drug abuse.
I still stand by the premise that we ALL need to come together and recognize that gov't created this race war and racial disparity. That is the only way we're going to win this one.
They are continuing to divide us for a reason. Continued division will only enable them further.
Meanwhile homelessness and joblessness around here isn't just limited to the inner city. It is spreading. They planned the COVID plague well.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 09:26:19 pm
Ok. I still believe in order to win the on going battle with our govt's globalist agenda, we have to stand united. I just don't see any other way to win at this. Time for us to all realize that it truly isn't black v. white, but a gov't who pitted black against white. The gov't is the enemy of the state.
That is a different argument, with which I agree....
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 08, 2021, 12:12:10 am
FischerKing @FischerKing64
How many times have you seen reported that Derek Chauvin is 5’9 and 140 lbs? That he was the LARGEST officer on the scene. And that Floyd was 6’4 and 230 lbs? And Floyd had 3 times the legal limit of fentanyl in his system? I found out by WATCHING THE TRIAL. Never saw it in MSM.
6:55 PM · Apr 7, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1379930747528638464
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 08, 2021, 12:32:40 am
Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays
Given the evidence presented so far at the Floyd trial, it isn't fair for the judge to complete the trial to a jury verdict. Given the obviousness of the outcome, the jury should not be asked to risk their lives to vote their conscience.
1:27 PM · Apr 7, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1379848395804663811
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 08, 2021, 12:35:01 am
Joel Pollak @joelpollak
The prosecution's expert in the Derek Chauvin/George Floyd trial just agreed that some things that are "awful" might still be "lawful." That's the essence of the defense but the answer was elicited -- not on purpose -- by the prosecutor.
BREAKING: White House announces 6 'initial' executive actions on gun control - https://breaking911.com/breaking-white-house-announces-6-initial-executive-actions-on-gun-control/
8:32 PM · Apr 7, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1379955286497181698
Federal red flag laws ... **nononono*
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 08, 2021, 12:44:56 am
BREAKING: White House announces 6 'initial' executive actions on gun control - https://breaking911.com/breaking-white-house-announces-6-initial-executive-actions-on-gun-control/
8:32 PM · Apr 7, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1379955286497181698
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 08, 2021, 04:17:03 pm
Has any evidence been presented showing that Floyd's breathing was short and rapid instead of slow and prolonged? I am listening to the testimony of the pulmonary expert, but he is giving testimony outside his area of expertise and is speculating on conditions that have not yet been established.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 08, 2021, 06:09:21 pm
Then bring it. I've long had a theory about this: Today black folks make up about 13-14% of the total US population. After a "race war" that will be closer to 10%. Rioters will succeed where Margaret Sanger failed.
----------------------------- Seriously, how does relentless internal conflict promote the betterment of a culture/society??? Hostility remained a core attitude/behavior of the Tribes of Africa over the multi-millennia of their history and yet they have hardly matured a day since Cain & Abel!! So much for learning from life!!!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 08, 2021, 06:48:47 pm
----------------------------- Seriously, how does relentless internal conflict promote the betterment of a culture/society??? Hostility remains a core attitude/behavior of the Tribes of Africa over the multi-millennia of their history and yet they have hardly matured a day since Cain & Abel!! So much for learning from life!!!
@Absalom as I have stated a couple of times, a race war is NOT the answer. Quite the opposite; Black and White MUST come together to defeat the blatant overreach of our government in order to return the rightful power to the states and ultimately to the people. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. Our elected officials work for us; they want it so that we are working for them!
Freedom is OURS for the taking!! - Ron Paul
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2021, 07:09:22 pm
Breathing expert estimates half of Chauvin's weight was on Floyd's neck By Aris Folley - 04/08/21 01:12 PM EDT
A respiratory physiology expert testified during the murder trial of Derek Chauvin on Thursday that the former Minneapolis police officer at one point had half of his body weight on George Floyd’s neck during his arrest last summer.
Floyd was killed during the arrest, a moment that led to nationwide demonstrations against police violence and for racial justice.
“What we’re seeing is that half of his body weight, plus half his gear weight, is coming down," Martin Tobin, a witness for the prosecution, testified Thursday as he looked at a photo captured from the arrest.
In the photo, the tip of Chauvin’s foot could also be seen slightly off the ground as he kneeled on Floyd, who was pinned to the street.
"That’s 91.5 pounds … coming down directly on Mr. Floyd’s neck,†Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist, testified. “Everything is directed down on his knee.â€
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/547165-breathing-expert-estimates-half-of-chauvins-body-weight-about-91-pounds
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2021, 07:14:47 pm
Witness says footage shows 'moment the life goes out' of Floyd's body By Aris Folley - 04/08/21 02:53 PM EDT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTR9AUNbCkI
A respiratory physiology expert testified Thursday that footage captured by bystanders of the arrest of George Floyd last year showed “the moment the life goes out†of his body.
During the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist, was asked to view the footage.
The footage from the arrest was slowed down, showing Floyd pinned to the street underneath Chauvin.
“At the beginning you can see he's conscious. You can see slight flickering. And then it disappears,†Tobin said.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/547190-witness-says-footage-shows-moment-the-life-goes-out-of-floyds-body
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2021, 07:44:13 pm
George Floyd 'Drugs' Quote Disputed During Trial, Witness Waffles
Derek Chauvin’s defense attorney argued Wednesday during the trial that George Floyd yelled “I ate too many drugs†as he was pinned to the ground, the Associated Press (AP) reported Wednesday.
Attorney Eric Nelson played a short video from one officer’s body camera during Jody Stiger’s testimony. Stiger is a Los Angeles Police Department sergeant who acted as a use-of-force expert for the prosecution. The clip shows Floyd laying on his stomach, moaning and crying out in pain, according to the AP.
“Does it sound like he says, ‘I ate too many drugs?'†Nelson asked after playing the video, to which Stiger replied he could not tell. Nelson then played the clip for Senior Special Agent and lead investigator James Reyerson, who agreed with Nelson about what Floyd had said, the AP reported.
more https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/08/george-floyd-drugs-quote-disputed-during-trial/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 08, 2021, 07:53:00 pm
Get those ghost hunter guys to examine the audio. They're good at hearing all sorts of stuff..
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DB on April 08, 2021, 07:53:06 pm
Breathing expert estimates half of Chauvin's weight was on Floyd's neck By Aris Folley - 04/08/21 01:12 PM EDT
A respiratory physiology expert testified during the murder trial of Derek Chauvin on Thursday that the former Minneapolis police officer at one point had half of his body weight on George Floyd’s neck during his arrest last summer.
Floyd was killed during the arrest, a moment that led to nationwide demonstrations against police violence and for racial justice.
“What we’re seeing is that half of his body weight, plus half his gear weight, is coming down," Martin Tobin, a witness for the prosecution, testified Thursday as he looked at a photo captured from the arrest.
In the photo, the tip of Chauvin’s foot could also be seen slightly off the ground as he kneeled on Floyd, who was pinned to the street.
"That’s 91.5 pounds … coming down directly on Mr. Floyd’s neck,†Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist, testified. “Everything is directed down on his knee.â€
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/547165-breathing-expert-estimates-half-of-chauvins-body-weight-about-91-pounds
Except there was no bruising or other detectable damage to his neck...
The Dr. is paid liar.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 08, 2021, 07:59:26 pm
Except there was no bruising or other detectable damage to his neck...
The Dr. is paid liar.
The Dr. leaves out that properly placed, a large fellow like Mr. Floyd could handle a lot of weight, especially in the absence of any former injury. If that weight was applied in the form of a blow, there would have been bruising, as a steady increase perhaps not, but either way, where and how the weight (pressure) was applied, it was done in such a fashion as to control movement, not cause injury. We are still left with the fact that there is no airway in the side of the neck. I don't have time to crunch the numbers, but the pressure of the blood moving through the flexible tubes of Floyds arteries and veins should have been able to easily overcome the (91.5/4 (sq inches) ) =22.85 lbs/in^2 exerted.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 08, 2021, 07:59:43 pm
Get those ghost hunter guys to examine the audio. They're good at hearing all sorts of stuff..
It probably doesn’t really matter what he said because we have the corners report that has the toxicology report in it
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2021, 08:03:25 pm
Clooney advising George Floyd family, put forth stunning proposal on what to ask of Derek Chauvin https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/04/08/clooney-advising-george-floyd-family-put-forth-stunning-proposal-on-what-to-ask-of-derek-chauvin-1057056/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 08, 2021, 08:08:37 pm
Except there was no bruising or other detectable damage to his neck...
The Dr. is paid liar.
Ok ... only getting info in here...not watching trial.... Question which has to be proven ... did Chauvin's actions contribute to his death? Not caused his death but a contributing factor? I say of course. He was handcuffed. On the ground. Saying he couldn't breathe. Chauvin kept pressure on the neck - could have been a contributing factor is all that is needed for 3rd degree murder.
Damage didn't have to occur to the neck, the stress that Chauvin inflicted could have contributed to his existing heart problem. Not being able to breathe doesn't necessarily come from damage to the windpipe -- stress itself will do it --- not being able to breathe -- add that to a heart patient and you have a stroke or heart attack waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 08, 2021, 08:30:07 pm
Ok ... only getting info in here...not watching trial.... Question which has to be proven ... did Chauvin's actions contribute to his death? Not caused his death but a contributing factor? I say of course. He was handcuffed. On the ground. Saying he couldn't breathe. Chauvin kept pressure on the neck - could have been a contributing factor is all that is needed for 3rd degree murder.
Damage didn't have to occur to the neck, the stress that Chauvin inflicted could have contributed to his existing heart problem. Not being able to breathe doesn't necessarily come from damage to the windpipe -- stress itself will do it --- not being able to breathe -- add that to a heart patient and you have a stroke or heart attack waiting to happen.
We have had to restrain psych patients who will make all kinds of claims so that you get off of them. If you watch the video of the arrest George Floyd is claiming he can’t breathe while they’re getting him in the car. I had a patient several years ago who screamed on the hallway he couldn’t breathe and I and the doctor went in there and said “for a guy who can breathe you sure are yelling pretty goodâ€
Stressing out a suspect should not be a charge of murder for a cop. People have compare this to the Zimmerman Trial. The difference is that prosecutor knew they didn’t have a case but they were pressured by the Obama administration to charge it.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 08, 2021, 08:30:39 pm
Clooney advising George Floyd family, put forth stunning proposal on what to ask of Derek Chauvin https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/04/08/clooney-advising-george-floyd-family-put-forth-stunning-proposal-on-what-to-ask-of-derek-chauvin-1057056/
Celebrities are just as much of a problem in this country as the media
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 08, 2021, 08:31:44 pm
7:02 PM - Mar 31#3 “No life-threatening injuries identified — “A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae “B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal structures “C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries “D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries “E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma†In short: No bloodshot eyes and no trauma to any part of Floyd’s neck. And yet, day after day, prosecutors, witnesses and the media tell us that Chauvin “squeezed the life out of†Floyd. The medical evidence establishes that whatever else caused his death, it was NOT asphyxiation. That’s the entire case against Officer Chauvin! But the howling mob isn’t giving up its holy religious observance because of one dork in a lab coat. The sun might not rise! The city of Minneapolis could be wiped out! Wait — that might actually happen. The medical examiner also found that Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system — I don’t want to say “to kill a horse,†because that would be a cliche. But it would be enough to bump off an entire team of Budweiser Clydesdales. In technical medical jargon: “A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens: “1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL†That’s just the first few words of the “Toxicology†section. Also listed are norfentanyl, 4-ANPP, methamphetamine, cannabinoids, amphetamines, morphine and so on.
But the 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl is rather important, inasmuch as the chief medical examiner called this “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances,†saying, “deaths have been certified with levels of 3.†Three. But George Floyd went up to 11.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 08, 2021, 08:35:37 pm
Floyd resorts to infantile behavior. NOT THE FIRST TIME....he can't breathe, " mama. " ------------------------ 1 day ago 45 MINS of struggle before that with atleast 10 mins of trying to get him in the car. He was commiting fraud and was high on fentanyl. Dude... Also the way he lifted his neck up and twisted at one point shows he wasnt pinned down that hard. All it would of taken is standing up like a man and go to jail for your wrong doing. he fought the law and the law won. Its going to be hard to convict on 3rd or 2nd degree murder, plus the police department trained there officers to use that hold on people resisting arrest. I can still see him getting in some trouble but really what about the officer standing there, he could of helped get him in the back of the car or tried again... idk but really though where's the first 45 mins of what happened?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 08, 2021, 08:44:44 pm
I have been paying close attention to this trial and others that I know who have all agree that the actual trial coverage the media reporting regarding this trial are two different worlds
Some of the things that we have to do to patients who are unruly would probably shock the average observer. But they are allowed just like the knee in the back of the neck that Chauvin did is taught and allowed in the Minneapolis Police Department
That’s another thing. The media keeps reporting that his knee was on George Floyd’s neck and it was not
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 08, 2021, 08:51:21 pm
You mentioned that you haven’t really been following this trial that close. But if you at some point do, you’ll find out that all the narratives we were told last summer are completely not true. It will make you angry
Without Keith Ellison and Twitter, the cops probably would’ve been suspended pending investigation and then probably reinstated back to work based on the evidence. Once the Twitterati and the media got a hold of an amateur cell phone video, that was accepted fact and no trial is needed
Ultimately, the prosecution has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that something that that cop did resulted in George Floyd’s death and so far they have absolutely failed to do that
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 08, 2021, 08:54:16 pm
I call mistrial.
I am not watching the HUMAN SACRIFICE OF DERCK, BY BEN CRUMP....ANOTHER AL SHARPTON. FLOYD FAMILY ALREADY RECEIVED 27 MILLION DOLLARS from we the tax payers.... for what? Then 17 million in GO FUND ME.
STILL, cop, did not cause his death. DRUGS DID. He was a huge man. 6' 7" or 8' ? Well built. ON DRUGS, and he was not complying with police. NO WAY TO CONTAIN HIM. HE WAS OUT OF CONTROL. This was the last resort FOR a strong man on drugs. All kind of drugs in his system. Drug addict.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Absalom on April 08, 2021, 09:24:23 pm
@Absalom as I have stated a couple of times, a race war is NOT the answer. Quite the opposite; Black and White MUST come together to defeat the blatant overreach of our government in order to return the rightful power to the states and ultimately to the people. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. Our elected officials work for us; they want it so that we are working for them! Freedom is OURS for the taking!!- Ron Paul
------------------------ A reflection. Indeed, a race war would drive us ever deeper into our self created abyss. Yet the antidote to our morass will never be found in politics/politicians. Never! Some 300+ years past, Enlightenment propagandists asserted that material betterment was an honorable and noble calling, whose time had arrived for Mankind. We have been paying the price for this fateful turn ever since which has changed the world for the worst, as history affirms. It's effect was to fatally weaken/destroy our spiritual sensibilities which is at the core of our Psyche (Soul) being the driver of our attitudes, behaviors, impulses and sensibilities. Each of these are divorced from, independent of and precede any and all religious persuasions Man may adhere to or believe in. The quality of the so called "Art" we produce is mute testament to our loss of the spiritual !!!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 08, 2021, 09:39:18 pm
‘The Nation’ on Derek Chauvin Jury: System Set up by Whites to ‘Go Free’ for Killing Black People
Joshua Klein 14 Mar 2021
The Nation published an article Thursday blasting the “deeply flawed†jury selection process for the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer accused of killing George Floyd, asserting the jury system “set up by white people†allows “white people [to] go free when they kill black people.â€
The piece, penned by Nation justice correspondent Elie Mystal and titled “The Acquittal of Derek Chauvin Has Already Begun,†carries a sub-headline which claims the jury selection process “shows how the cop who killed George Floyd can, and likely will, win.†The article begins by stating Chauvin need not be referred to as having “allegedly†killed George Floyd, because the author “saw it.â€
Mystal (pictured) laments that a jury, “comprised mainly of white people,†will decide whether “killing a black man should be a crime,†and then proclaims a trial should not even be necessary.
“In a reasonable world, this trial would be perfunctory,†he writes. “Hell, in a reasonable world, there wouldn’t even be a trial: Chauvin would have accepted some kind of plea deal.â€
Mystal openly states white cops, for the most part, can easily get away with murdering black people.
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/14/the-nation-on-derek-chauvin-jury-system-set-up-by-whites-to-go-free-for-killing-black-people/
Sounds about right. We all know that white people are evil thugs that rape,murder,rob,cheat,and steal on a daily basis,unlike their black superiors,who are a peaceful,honorable people who only wanted to be treated as equals.
HEY! "Equals"????? Wait a minute,here!........
The PoPo MUST start arresting more black people if they are to be our equals in wrong-doing!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2021, 12:15:12 am
Except there was no bruising or other detectable damage to his neck...
The Dr. is paid liar.
I won't go so far as to call him a liar. But his testimony on statics in relation. to angle and body position is clearly outside his area of expertise. And his speculation on cause of death was not supported by factual evidence in this case.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2021, 07:43:57 am
Ok ... only getting info in here...not watching trial.... Question which has to be proven ... did Chauvin's actions contribute to his death? Not caused his death but a contributing factor? I say of course. He was handcuffed. On the ground. Saying he couldn't breathe. Chauvin kept pressure on the neck - could have been a contributing factor is all that is needed for 3rd degree murder.
Damage didn't have to occur to the neck, the stress that Chauvin inflicted could have contributed to his existing heart problem. Not being able to breathe doesn't necessarily come from damage to the windpipe -- stress itself will do it --- not being able to breathe -- add that to a heart patient and you have a stroke or heart attack waiting to happen.
Under different circumstances, perhaps. Don't forget that Floyd had three times the lethal dose of Fentanyl on board. Keep in mind that was easy to do, as it does not take much, and often those who get it think they have something else.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 09, 2021, 08:34:38 am
Under different circumstances, perhaps. Don't forget that Floyd had three times the lethal dose of Fentanyl on board. Keep in mind that was easy to do, as it does not take much, and often those who get it think they have something else.
Let's also keep in mind that he wasn't exactly a 20 year old Olympic athlete. He was old and fat in addition to being loaded to the gills with drugs.
You just can't get away with taking massive doses of drugs like Fentanyl when you are old,fat,and have health issues,regardless of who you are.
Unless,of course you are Keith Richards. There is just no explanation for that.
Fentanyl is just a watered down elephant tranquilizer. It eats old and fat for lunch.
But Keith Richards defies science...
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 09, 2021, 10:04:23 am
This pulmonary expert doctor that the state brought in did an OK job but he is going to be torn apart when the defense gets their chance
You would have a lack of oxygen if your lungs were full of fluid. When patients have CHF exacerbation, Lasix IV is given to get the fluid off of them. They are also going through a respiratory distress because their lungs are feeling full of fluid. If you ever check the oxygen saturation on somebody going through a severe CHF exacerbation, we’ve gotten oxygen sats that were in the 70s and lower
The Hennepin County coroner report states that George Floyd had some pretty heavy lungs
The prosecution still has not shown any evidence that Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd. That’s why you are getting more warnings from violent groups about burning down cities and buildings if they don’t get their way. They’re confusing their feelings with facts and evidence
The only consolation is that this will happen on President Harris’s watch. Is the Harris administration going to clamp down on the criminal acts when the general public demands it? Or is she going to bail out and excuse the rioters? Public opinion on this case is a lot different than it was last summer so any type of tolerance for more riots is going to be zero. If President Harris takes a hard stand against them, there goes a huge swath of Democrat voters that’ll stay home in 2022 and 2024. If she does nothing and excuses them, she faces the wrath of the general public
Given how grossly ineffective she is on the border, I pick she excuses the rioters for all the public to see
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 09, 2021, 10:09:54 am
There seems to be a thinking that says “if I see something that upsets me or looks bad to me, it must be illegal and therefore, something needs to be done to correct my hurt feelings.†That seems to apply to this case
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2021, 11:31:28 am
Legal Insurrection @LegInsurrection
#ChauvinTrial Day 9 Wrap-Up: Medical Experts Resuscitate Prosecution Case
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1380359990997880832/q8AAfzqq?format=png&name=240x240) Chauvin Trial Day 9 Wrap-Up: Medical Experts Resuscitate Prosecution Case Medical experts gave testimony state needed, without imploding on cross
This pulmonary expert doctor that the state brought in did an OK job but he is going to be torn apart when the defense gets their chance
You would have a lack of oxygen if your lungs were full of fluid. When patients have CHF exacerbation, Lasix IV is given to get the fluid off of them. They are also going through a respiratory distress because their lungs are feeling full of fluid. If you ever check the oxygen saturation on somebody going through a severe CHF exacerbation, we’ve gotten oxygen sats that were in the 70s and lower
The Hennepin County coroner report states that George Floyd had some pretty heavy lungs
The prosecution still has not shown any evidence that Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd. That’s why you are getting more warnings from violent groups about burning down cities and buildings if they don’t get their way. They’re confusing their feelings with facts and evidence
Breathing expert estimates half of Chauvin's weight was on Floyd's neck By Aris Folley - 04/08/21 01:12 PM EDT
A respiratory physiology expert testified during the murder trial of Derek Chauvin on Thursday that the former Minneapolis police officer at one point had half of his body weight on George Floyd’s neck during his arrest last summer.
Floyd was killed during the arrest, a moment that led to nationwide demonstrations against police violence and for racial justice.
“What we’re seeing is that half of his body weight, plus half his gear weight, is coming down," Martin Tobin, a witness for the prosecution, testified Thursday as he looked at a photo captured from the arrest.
In the photo, the tip of Chauvin’s foot could also be seen slightly off the ground as he kneeled on Floyd, who was pinned to the street.
"That’s 91.5 pounds … coming down directly on Mr. Floyd’s neck,†Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist, testified. “Everything is directed down on his knee.â€
more https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/547165-breathing-expert-estimates-half-of-chauvins-body-weight-about-91-pounds
Notice the way the article subtly denotes guilt? He was killed rather than the more accurate he died.
Killing connotes someone else did it.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: goatprairie on April 09, 2021, 02:45:19 pm
This has been done to death, but who after reading about or seeing the full video doesn't believe Floyd wasn't responsible for about 99% of his demise. Only race hustlers and the terminally stupid still believe he was some sort of saint. Just another in a long list of losers who get themselves killed or die in police custody due to their immense incompetence at playing the game of life. Jesus, I just don't care about George Floyd's worthless existence.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 09, 2021, 08:09:03 pm
Derek Chauvin Defense Uses Forensic Pathologist Cross-examination to Support George Floyd Overdose Theory
Joel B. Pollak 9 Apr 2021
Forensic pathologist Dr. Lindsey Thomas testified Friday at the trial of former Minneapolis, Minnesota, police officer Derek Chauvin that absent a struggle with police, the death of a person with the drugs George Floyd had in his system would have been ruled an overdose.
Defense attorney Eric Nelson cross-examined Thomas, a witness for the prosecution, after she had testified that the “primary mechanism of death†in the case was “asphyxia or low oxygen.â€
Nelson was careful to ask about the level of drugs, because prosecutors have suggested the levels in Floyd’s body were low.
Nelson: So again, just kind of taking into consideration, removing certain variables, right, you find a person at home, no struggle with the police, right, and the person doesn’t have a heart problem, yet you find fentanyl and methamphetamine in this person’s system at the levels they are, would you certify this as an overdose ?
Dr. Thomas: Again, in the absence of any of these other realities, yes, I could consider that to be an overdose.
Nelson: And the level of fentanyl in a person — again, in this hypothetical scenario — there are deaths certified as drug overdoses significantly lower than 11 nanograms per milliliter ?
Dr. Thomas: Lower, higher. it’s got a huge range, yes.
Nelson: As low, I believe, as three percent or three nanograms per milliliter?
Dr. Thomas: Yes.
Nelson: So the ingestion of drugs is unique to that individual’s body, right?
Dr. Thomas: Right.
Nelson: I have no further questions.
more https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/04/09/derek-chauvin-defense-uses-forensic-pathologist-cross-examination-to-support-george-floyd-overdose-theory/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 09, 2021, 11:41:33 pm
BREAKING: During Chauvin Trial The Official Medical Examiner Confirms Floyd’s Heart Gave Out Due To Heart Disease, Hypertension, Drugs, And Stress (Videos) April 9, 2021 Michelle M.
Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County medical examiner, took the stand at the murder trial of former Officer Derek Chauvin for pressing his knee on or close to Floyd’s neck. Baker concluded last year that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest — that is, his heart stopped.
The chief county medical examiner who ruled George Floyd’s death a homicide testified Friday that Floyd’s heart gave out due to heart disease, hypertension, drugs, and stress. He also said that the stress was caused by the way the police held him down.
When Baker was asked how police “subdual, restraint and neck compression†led to Floyd’s death, he said that Floyd had severe underlying heart disease and an enlarged heart that needed more oxygen than normal to function, as well as narrowing of two heart arteries.
Baker said being involved in a scuffle raises adrenaline, which asks the heart to beat even faster and supply more oxygen.
“And in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of that, those heart conditions,†the medical examiner said.
Video below:
OUCH! Sounds like George Floyd's diseased ticker couldn't handle Chauvin's 140 lbs.
more https://www.rightjournalism.com/breaking-during-chauvin-trial-the-official-medical-examiner-confirms-floyds-heart-gave-out-due-to-heart-disease-hypertension-drugs-and-stress-videos/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 10, 2021, 12:19:18 am
With that being stated, "stress" is the only factor that Chauvin may have had a part in that may have added to Floyd's death. It should be a slam dunk for the defense then from this point forward.
IMHO now, the only issue that's going to convict Chauvin is public sentiment and the fear of a major, major upheaval.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 10, 2021, 03:43:09 am
Derek innocent. George high on meth, alcohol, fentanyl, pot. DRVING UDI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WatBuFAELE&t=12s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zM7MsC9ts
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: catfish1957 on April 10, 2021, 12:43:27 pm
What demon inside a man inspires him to combine meth and fentanyl?!
The combination of an opioid and stimulant (usually heroin and cocaine) is known as a 'speedball' and is supposed to provide the user with a more intense high.
Typically, addicts are chasing after the replication of their first high from a drug. They'll never catch that, but it leads to larger doses, mixing, and even other drugs, in pursuit of that first high.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: LMAO on April 10, 2021, 03:39:40 pm
I don't think you will find many here who will disagree. OTOH, the 12 BLM inspired locals there have another agenda.
I don’t think the jury is chomping at the bit to convict the cop. I think they’re starting to catch on that the state’s case falling apart. But I also believe that it’s in the back of their minds the threats, the riots that will follow an acquittal
But I find it hard to believe that the defense attorney is not also aware of this and the psychological pressure on the jury. He’ll not only stress how the case against Chauvin by the prosecution is extraordinarily weak, but warn them about giving into mob justice.
Think about all the lies that we’ve been told last summer that ended up destroying cities and may have permanently damaged this country. The left is desperate to paint this country as systemically racist so anything and everything will be clamped on like a steel trap as long as it supports their narrative and even if it doesn’t
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2021, 03:43:35 pm
Defense attorney Eric Nelson cross-examined Thomas, a witness for the prosecution, after she had testified that the “primary mechanism of death†in the case was “asphyxia or low oxygen.â€
Again, has any evidence been introduced that shows Floyd's breathing was short and rapid as opposed to being prolonged and weak?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 10, 2021, 04:44:40 pm
I don’t think the jury is chomping at the bit to convict the cop. I think they’re starting to catch on that the state’s case falling apart. But I also believe that it’s in the back of their minds the threats, the riots that will follow an acquittal
I honestly believe,and worry about,any black jurors getting death threats and having to move and change identities if they refuse to convict.
The bottom line is not the death of a black career thug. It is that there are millions of dollars to be had FOR FREE,IF the jury will just convict.
And make no mistake about it,the various rev-runds,Civil Wrongs Advocates,and relatives ALREADY see those millions as THEIR money,and some WILL be "seeking revenge".
And the media will not have one negative word to say about black on black crime,or the injustice of threatening/attacking jurors for doing their civil duty.
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But I find it hard to believe that the defense attorney is not also aware of this and the psychological pressure on the jury. He’ll not only stress how the case against Chauvin by the prosecution is extraordinarily weak, but warn them about giving into mob justice.
Which they will hear as a suggestion.
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Think about all the lies that we’ve been told last summer that ended up destroying cities and may have permanently damaged this country. The left is desperate to paint this country as systemically racist so anything and everything will be clamped on like a steel trap as long as it supports their narrative and even if it doesn’t
IMNSHO,what the powers behind these marches,demonstrations,and threats dream of is an actual revolution that will give Biden's handlers the excuse they need to declare a State of Martial Law exists,and to suspend the Bill of Rights for "The Duration of the Emergency".
Guess who will be the only people in a position to declare the emergency has ended.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 10, 2021, 04:47:02 pm
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 12, 2021, 03:36:06 pm
So, the question of the day: How will the Prosecution sabotage their own case today? :tongue2:
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 12, 2021, 05:36:53 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Attorney reveals one Derek Chauvin juror is a resident of Brooklyn Center hit by riots and looting last night. Asks court to re-question jurors about new incident.
10:38 AM · Apr 12, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1381617616461164548
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Judge denies motion to sequester jury and re-question them about Brooklyn Center riots
10:42 AM · Apr 12, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1381618806909501451
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on April 12, 2021, 06:06:35 pm
I think the problem is the insanity has now taken hold so deeply the courts just don't know how to handle "crimes" that are so obviously politically based.
After all,crimes are SUPPOSED to be committed by individuals against other individuals,corporations,or "the state",and they are supposed to be ACTUAL crimes. Things that are real you can point to and show in court.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 12, 2021, 07:13:25 pm
What a clown show this is. Hard to imagine this guy having any more justification to appeal if it doesn't go his way.
You really think an appeal wouldn't be denied by the leftist Judiciary in Madistan?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 12, 2021, 10:01:56 pm
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 11 – Has State Eliminated Reasonable Doubt As Case Nears End?
Reasonable Doubt Before Defense Even Begins Is Bad For Conviction Posted by Andrew Branca Monday, April 12, 2021 at 09:30am
As we enter the 11th full day of trial in this case, the state is rapidly approaching the end of its presentation for its case in chief. We are, therefore, nearing a major inflection point for this trial.
For those who may be unfamiliar with the criminal trial process, after opening statements by both sides, the state takes the first turn in presenting the jury with its case in chief, meaning its entire comprehensive argument to meet its burden to remove all reasonable doubt on the criminal charges brought against Chauvin.
These charges include second-degree murder (really, felony murder), third-degree murder (really, reckless homicide), manslaughter, and third-degree felony assault (the predicate for the felony murder charge). A more detailed overview of these criminal charges is discussed in our previous commentary and analysis, here: Chauvin Pre-Trial Day 1: 3d Degree Murder Throws Wrench Into Jury Selection Process.
After the state has finished presenting all the witnesses and evidence that they believe prove the crimes charged beyond a reasonable doubt, they rest their case, and it becomes the turn of the defense to present witnesses and evidence that they believe create a reasonable doubt.
The key is that the point at which the state rests its case is normally the high point of the prosecution’s narrative of guilt, the point at which reasonable doubt has been eliminated to the greatest degree likely to be achieved at any point in the trial. From here on the narrative presented to the jury is primarily the narrative of the defense, which is the narrative that drives an increase, not decrease, in reasonable doubt—and reasonable doubt is the key to acquittal.
more https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/live-chauvin-trial-day-11-has-state-eliminated-reasonable-doubt-as-case-nears-end/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on April 12, 2021, 11:56:16 pm
I think the problem is the insanity has now taken hold so deeply the courts just don't know how to handle "crimes" that are so obviously politically based.
After all,crimes are SUPPOSED to be committed by individuals against other individuals,corporations,or "the state",and they are supposed to be ACTUAL crimes. Things that are real you can point to and show in court.
You're right, @sneakypete . We've arrived at a place where doing the right thing requires a courage that our judiciary did not have.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 02:36:04 am
Legal Insurrection @LegInsurrection
#ChauvinTrial Day 11 Update – State’s Desperate Moves Reveal Vulnerabilities In Prosecution of Chauvin
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Chauvin Trial Day 11 Update – State’s Desperate Moves Reveal Vulnerabilities In Prosecution of... Prosecutor Schlieter: “Authorized use of force a complete defense to all charges.†https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-11-update-states-desperate-moves-reveal-vulnerabilities-in-prosecution-of-chauvin/
3:13 PM · Apr 12, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/status/1381686964450160645
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 02:39:07 am
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
15 attorneys. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Ellison screwed up bad
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Will Chamberlain @willchamberlain · 4h
This feels like an incredibly disorganized prosecution
You would think that the prosecution experts would have resolved their differences and come to a consensus on what force was excessive
Sloppy
10:31 PM · Apr 12, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1381797260212760577
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2021, 03:07:06 am
The expert medical conclusion of the prosecution's entire case rests on whether or not Floyd's breathing was short and rapid. As far as I can tell, the state of his breathing while he was on the ground was never stated by anyone. Yet the speculation of their experts completely relies on it being short and rapid.
If the defense can show Floyd's breathing was weak and slow, then the entire medical testimony of the prosecution is trashed.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 13, 2021, 03:32:15 pm
Prosecution rests case in Derek Chauvin trial By Mychael Schnell - 04/13/21 11:16 AM EDT
Over the course of 11 days, the prosecution called 38 witnesses to testify, including police officers, bystanders, paramedics, and use-of-force experts, according to a tally from USA Today. The jury also watched footage captured by bystanders, surveillance and body cameras, which illustrated the key moments around Floyd’s arrest.
The defense began their case on Tuesday, with attorney Eric Nelson first calling former Minneapolis Police Officer Scott Creighton, who arrested Floyd in a separate incident in May 2019, to the stand.
Is there a reason the Chauvin trial is no longer being carried live by the press?
Good question. My guess, is that they don't want an obvious repeat of 1692 type justice on air.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2021, 05:18:59 pm
Here, I found a video of the trial coverage:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2xlQaimsGg)
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2021, 09:46:36 pm
Prosecution expert, Cardiologist Dr. Jonathan Rich, did not do his side any favors today:
https://vimeo.com/535971884
Rich actually argued that because of Floyd's enlarged heart and arterial blockage, he was less likely to die from heart failure.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 10:26:30 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
THREE-PRONGED ANALYSIS: National police use of force expert Barry Brodd finds #DerekChauvin actions justified in Chauvin's response to the level of resistance from #GeorgeFloyd.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 10:28:19 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
SAFER FOR THE OFFICERS & SUSPECT IN PRONE CONTROL: National police use of force expert Barry Brodd on why #Mpls police were justified keeping #GeorgeFloyd face down, handcuffed outside Cup Foods. #DerekChauvinTrial
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 10:30:08 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
Judge Peter Cahill is sending the jury home following the completion of witness testimony from defense use of force expert Barry Brodd. Cahill says the attorneys have some legal matters to discuss now. So court remains in session w/out the jury. #GeorgeFloyd #DerekChauvinTrial
5:13 PM · Apr 13, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9/status/1382079599908048897
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 10:35:24 pm
Jack Posobiec Retweeted SCUBA MIKEDiving mask @scuba2024
#BREAKINGFireFire New body cam footage shows George Floyd's passengers saying "He still won't get in the car! Just sit down George! Oh man, what is he doing?"
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2021, 11:04:52 pm
Jack Posobiec Retweeted Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
INSIDE THE SUV: Shawanda Hill telling the jury about her attempts & those of Cup Food employees to wake up #GeorgeFloyd as Floyd slept in the driver's seat of his SUV. #DerekChauvinTrial
Rich actually argued that because of Floyd's enlarged heart and arterial blockage, he was less likely to die from heart failure.
Huh?????
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DB on April 14, 2021, 04:46:25 am
A good number of these "professional" witnesses are lawfare prostitutes for money.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2021, 01:38:45 pm
Strategic and Tactical Errors Mark a Bad Day for the Defense in the Derek Chauvin Murder Trial https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/04/14/strategic-and-tactical-errors-mark-a-bad-day-for-the-defense-in-the-derek-chauvin-murder-trial-n360690
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2021, 03:57:00 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec BREAKING: Medical expert testifies George Floyd died from sudden cardiac arrhythmia brought on by heart disease and drugs during restraint by police 10:16 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 14, 2021, 03:57:32 pm
Looks like he died because he wasn't doing enough Fentenal (spelling),crack,speed,and heroin,huh?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 05:44:17 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
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Chauvin Trial Day 12 Wrap-Up: Defense Use-of-Force Expert Witness Falls Short Defense needed, but did not get, perfect performance from expert Barry Brodd https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-12-wrap-up-defense-use-of-force-expert-witness-falls-short/
8:13 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1382305998136868870
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: goatprairie on April 14, 2021, 05:56:17 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec BREAKING: Medical expert testifies George Floyd died from sudden cardiac arrhythmia brought on by heart disease and drugs during restraint by police 10:16 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
What??? it wasn't Chauvin's knee on his neck? Does the testimony of this medical expert refute the testimony of the official medical examiner who said Chauvin's knee was mainly responsible for stopping oxygen to Floyd and asphyxiating him? What's going on?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:02:13 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Judge rules George Floyd's alleged drug dealer will not testify during Chauvin trial.
Hall's lawyer argued he could possibly incriminate himself for the murder of George Floyd under MN law and has 5th Amendment right
10:39 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1382342853171494919
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:04:57 pm
*hmmmm*
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
George Floyd's girlfriend reveals she was Daunte Wright's teacher in high school before he turned to life of crime
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1382288018074128385/o-9AoW7z?format=jpg&name=small) George Floyd's girlfriend reveals she was Daunte Wright's TEACHER Courteney Ross made the revelation during a press conference alongside Floyd's family and attorney Ben Crump on Tuesday. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9469603/George-Floyds-girlfriend-reveals-Daunte-Wrights-TEACHER.html
8:54 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1382316328590118920
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:09:31 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
MORRIES HALL TAKES THE 5TH: In case you missed it earlier this morning. "I am fearful of criminal charges going forward." #GeorgeFloyd #DerekChauvinTrial @FOX9
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:12:25 pm
Does this go to reasonable doubt?? :cool:
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
Morries Hall attorney Adrienne Cousins tells the court he *cannot* put himself in #GeorgeFloyd SUV or he opens himself up to a drug related murder-3 charge if #DerekChauvin is eventually acquitted. @FOX9
10:04 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9/status/1382333922193809411
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:17:20 pm
Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec
As I said before, the media and far-left has launched a cancel campaign against Dr Folwer, screaming labels and screeds about him in order to impeach his testimony
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BackInMobay @backinmobay · 2h
Dr Dave Apartheid, every killer cops best friend.
The defense couldn’t find an “expert†from the KKK so they hired an apartheid era quack.
1:30 PM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1382385797748256768
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:24:23 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
PILL IN MOUTH? Defense attorney Eric Nelson has asked his medical expert Dr. Fowler what he sees in #GeorgeFloyd mouth at time officer Lane 1st encounters Floyd at driver side window. Fowler says consistent with swallowing drug(s) based on sequence of these body cam screenshots.
1:24 PM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9/status/1382384339032297474
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:30:14 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
Dr. Fowler ended his testimony, telling jury he believes a more appropriate finding for #GeorgeFloyd manner of death is UNDETERMINED rather than HOMICIDE. He cited conflicting findings- underlying health factors, drugs, carbon monoxide for cause of death. Cross exam after lunch.
1:37 PM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9/status/1382387512094515200
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 06:33:14 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
Defense has just used this graphic of the leg from knee to foot to help Dr. Fowler explain why the pressure of #DerekChauvin on #GeorgeFloyd neck & back did not cause the fatal injury. Dr Fowler remains on the witness stand under direct examination.
What??? it wasn't Chauvin's knee on his neck? Does the testimony of this medical expert refute the testimony of the official medical examiner who said Chauvin's knee was mainly responsible for stopping oxygen to Floyd and asphyxiating him? What's going on?
Again, it goes back to the state of his breathing shortly before he died. Were his breaths short and rapid? Or were they slow and weak? That is the question that has not yet been addressed. The prosecution experts speculate the former, but there has been no actual evidence presented to affirm that.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 07:43:58 pm
Paul Blume @PaulBlume_FOX9
BOARDING UP: Several more glass faced buildings around the courthouse getting boarded up today. Judge Cahill has suggested jury will have the case on Monday. This pocket of downtown seemed particularly quiet this afternoon.
2:51 PM · Apr 14, 2021 from Hennepin County Government Center·Twitter for Android
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 07:46:43 pm
If war breaks out, which side will Biden fight on? *hmmmm*
Breaking911 @Breaking911
BREAKING: Iran has 'almost completed preparations' for 60% uranium enrichment, IAEA says - AFP
2:34 PM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1382401818857181186
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 07:58:11 pm
Jon Schwarz @schwarz
People claim there are no consequences in America for rich people who commit crimes. That's completely untrue, both Bernie Madoff and Elizabeth Holmes show there are severe consequences for rich people who steal from other rich people.
10:11 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/schwarz/status/1382335686636929027
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2021, 08:01:09 pm
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
Do they even remember that, just six months ago, they were accusing Matt Gaetz of being a gay pedophile without the slightest regard for the effect that innuendo would have on the young man they smeared with this accusation (also, needless to say, with no evidence)?
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The Agorist @the_agorist · 6h
Order of Gaetz smears:
Gay pedophile having sex with adopted son.
Straight pedophile
Straight trafficer of underaged women
Took a trip with an adult who was formerly not an adult.
10:04 AM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1382333944348225539
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2021, 08:21:17 pm
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2021, 03:14:37 am
Prosecution's cross-examination of defense expert Dr. David Fowler:
http://vimeo.com/536978166
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 15, 2021, 05:15:15 am
Legal Insurrection @LegInsurrection
#ChauvinTrial Day 13 Wrap-Up: Solid Day for Defense With Forensic Expert Witness
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1382520211035815939/7L9uwooC?format=png&name=240x240) Chauvin Trial Day 13 Wrap-Up: Solid Day for Defense With Forensic Expert Witness Blackwell scored no major points, hit with “My Cousin Vinnyâ€-style response https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/chauvin-trial-day-13-wrap-up-solid-day-for-defense-with-forensic-expert-witness/
10:24 PM · Apr 14, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/status/1382520287716122627
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Sighlass on April 15, 2021, 07:35:31 am
Thanks for the posts gang, I wish I had more time to delve into them more deeply. Interesting stuff especially the legal insights.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: goatprairie on April 15, 2021, 02:27:19 pm
It would help the defense a lot if they could produce examples of officers having their knees on the necks of perps without the perp croaking. The prosecution from what I've read has made a strong case that Chauvin's knee killed Floyd. Considering Floyd's dangerous drug levels and very bad heart, I would think the defense could throw a lot of doubt about the knee killing Floyd. If I'm sitting on the jury I'm thinking yes, a knee with strong pressure on a person's neck can kill, but I'm also aware of Floyd's dangerous drug level and bad heart. The most I could convict Chauvin of is some sort of manslaughter charge. I seriously doubt he wanted to kill Floyd. An intent to murder charge considering Floyd's bad health and his resisting arrest is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 15, 2021, 02:47:15 pm
It would help the defense a lot if they could produce examples of officers having their knees on the necks of perps without the perp croaking. The prosecution from what I've read has made a strong case that Chauvin's knee killed Floyd. Considering Floyd's dangerous drug levels and very bad heart, I would think the defense could throw a lot of doubt about the knee killing Floyd. If I'm sitting on the jury I'm thinking yes, a knee with strong pressure on a person's neck can kill, but I'm also aware of Floyd's dangerous drug level and bad heart. The most I could convict Chauvin of is some sort of manslaughter charge. I seriously doubt he wanted to kill Floyd. An intent to murder charge considering Floyd's bad health and his resisting arrest is ridiculous.
Even the Persecution has accepted the fact that Chauvin's knee was not on the neck, but it was upon the upper shoulder. Videos from other angles proved that.
And then there's the other prong of the Defense's case...the use of force was justified.
If you haven't yet, read the summary on Legal Insurrection that was linked upthread. That fellow is very smart and articulate. He live blogs the trial, and does a daily summary.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: goatprairie on April 15, 2021, 03:14:29 pm
Even the Persecution has accepted the fact that Chauvin's knee was not on the neck, but it was upon the upper shoulder. Videos from other angles proved that.
And then there's the other prong of the Defense's case...the use of force was justified.
If you haven't yet, read the summary on Legal Insurrection that was linked upthread. That fellow is very smart and articulate. He live blogs the trial, and does a daily summary.
"Even the Persecution has accepted the fact that Chauvin's knee was not on the neck, but it was upon the upper shoulder. Videos from other angles proved that."
I have not read that anywhere. If true, there's no way Chauvin can be convicted of anything.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 15, 2021, 03:16:31 pm
Chauvin invokes Fifth Amendment, won't testify in defense https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/548407-chauvin-invokes-fifth-amendment-wont-testify-in-defense
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 15, 2021, 03:37:02 pm
Defense rests in Chauvin murder trial https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/548430-defense-rests-in-chauvin-murder-trial
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 15, 2021, 03:40:31 pm
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 14 – Defense Rests, Chauvin Will Not Testify, Asserts 5A
State recalls Dr. Tobin, pulmonologist, to rebut defense expert Dr. Fowler’s testimony of yesterday Posted by Andrew Branca Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 09:15am
Welcome to our ongoing coverage of the Minnesota murder trial of Derek Chauvin, over the in-custody death of George Floyd. I am Attorney Andrew Branca for Law of Self Defense.
As we rapidly approach the conclusion of the testimony in Minnesota v. Chauvin it appears that the defense intends to close its case in chief by bringing at least three more medical expert witnesses before the jury, based on the expert witness disclosure filed by the defense back in January (disclosure embedded below).
Among those experts listed in the disclosure who have not yet testified are Dr. Gary W. Kunsman, a forensic toxicologist, Dr. Michael Werner, a forensic psychiatrist, and Dr. Kai Sturmann, an emergency medicine doctor.
Here’s the expert disclosure form:
more https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/live-chauvin-trial-day-14-defense-calls-more-medical-experts-as-trial-nears-end/#more-350646
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2021, 05:44:30 pm
Chauvin's failure to render aid after Floyd went uncouncious is the biggest challenge for the defense.
Rendering aid might have been easier without the screaming crowd encircling the Police.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 15, 2021, 07:51:50 pm
BREAKING: Prosecutorial Error With State's Last Witness Creates Grounds for Possible Mistrial in Chauvin Trial
Earlier today, the defense rested in the murder trial of former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin, charged in connection with the in-custody death of George Floyd.
Chauvin waived his right to testify on his own behalf, asserting his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent during the course of the trial. That was not a surprising development.
But what came next was quite surprising, and potentially a critical moment in the case for the prosecution.
The prosecution advised the Court that it would have one rebuttal witness. A rebuttal witness can be called to present testimony in response to evidence heard for the first time during the defense case. As is very common, the rebuttal testimony would come from one expert witness who previously testified, Dr. Martin Tobin, and the testimony would be in response to testimony given by a defense expert.
But the surprising part of the prosecution’s announcement was that it intended to have Dr. Tobin testify about newly discovered evidence — a Hennepin County Medical Examiner report on the level of carbon monoxide (CO) in the blood gas testing of arterial blood drawn from Floyd at the hospital.
more https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/04/15/breaking-prosecutorial-error-with-states-last-witness-creates-grounds-for-possible-mistrial-in-chauvin-trial-n361633
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 15, 2021, 08:03:35 pm
BREAKING: Prosecutorial Error With State's Last Witness Creates Grounds for Possible Mistrial in Chauvin Trial
Earlier today, the defense rested in the murder trial of former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin, charged in connection with the in-custody death of George Floyd.
Chauvin waived his right to testify on his own behalf, asserting his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent during the course of the trial. That was not a surprising development.
But what came next was quite surprising, and potentially a critical moment in the case for the prosecution.
The prosecution advised the Court that it would have one rebuttal witness. A rebuttal witness can be called to present testimony in response to evidence heard for the first time during the defense case. As is very common, the rebuttal testimony would come from one expert witness who previously testified, Dr. Martin Tobin, and the testimony would be in response to testimony given by a defense expert.
But the surprising part of the prosecution’s announcement was that it intended to have Dr. Tobin testify about newly discovered evidence — a Hennepin County Medical Examiner report on the level of carbon monoxide (CO) in the blood gas testing of arterial blood drawn from Floyd at the hospital.
more https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/04/15/breaking-prosecutorial-error-with-states-last-witness-creates-grounds-for-possible-mistrial-in-chauvin-trial-n361633
There is no way this crooked trial Judge is going to declare a mistrial on a technicality. Not with his favorite mob waiting just outside the Courthouse armed with Molotov Cocktails.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 15, 2021, 08:10:14 pm
There is no way this crooked trial Judge is going to declare a mistrial on a technicality. Not with his favorite mob waiting just outside the Courthouse armed with Molotov Cocktails.
While I believe you are correct, this is a decided flaw in the trial, and will give opportunity for appeal. Move that down the road a bit, and it may happen that Chauvin is eventually released. Currently, the usual suspects have a new face to riot over, and it is likely that there will be others.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 15, 2021, 08:17:35 pm
While I believe you are correct, this is a decided flaw in the trial, and will give opportunity for appeal. Move that down the road a bit, and it may happen that Chauvin is eventually released. Currently, the usual suspects have a new face to riot over, and it is likely that there will be others.
The nail in the mistrial coffin would be if the Persecutors were to mention in their Closing that Chauvin pleaded the 5th.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2021, 08:19:36 pm
There is no way this crooked trial Judge is going to declare a mistrial on a technicality. Not with his favorite mob waiting just outside the Courthouse armed with Molotov Cocktails.
It was the defense attorney that saved it from mistrial. Had he kept his mouth shut and let the prosecutor blabber on, he would have gotten his mistrial. But the defense attorney interrupted the prosecutor just before he said something the judge had warned him not to say. Clearly, the defense attorney believes he has a winning case. But I am not so sure. I would have let the prosecutor make his unforced error and then use that on appeal if no mistrial was given.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2021, 08:46:43 pm
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But the surprising part of the prosecution’s announcement was that it intended to have Dr. Tobin testify about newly discovered evidence — a Hennepin County Medical Examiner report on the level of carbon monoxide (CO) in the blood gas testing of arterial blood drawn from Floyd at the hospital.
The fact that the prosecution had in its possession CO evidence is definitely grounds for appeal, especially after their cross examination of Dr. Fowler here:
http://vimeo.com/536978166
The prosecutor had tried to discredit the defense witness testimony about CO poisoning by asking him if he had evidence. The witness pointed out that he was denied that evidence because the State had claimed not to have collected it. It turns out that the State did have that evidence in their possession the whole time.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 16, 2021, 10:32:32 am
The fact that the prosecution had in its possession CO evidence is definitely grounds for appeal, especially after their cross examination of Dr. Fowler here:
http://vimeo.com/536978166
The prosecutor had tried to discredit the defense witness testimony about CO poisoning by asking him if he had evidence. The witness pointed out that he was denied that evidence because the State had claimed not to have collected it. It turns out that the State did have that evidence in their possession the whole time.
Yep. The prosecution was not forthcoming in Discovery, and arguably had not been during the rest of the trial, dumping bits here and there on the defense.
Considering Mr. Floyd's exposure to CO was limited in duration and intensity (Chauvin did not succumb to CO poisoning, iirc, and was not much farther from that same exhaust), I really think this is a weak angle for the prosecution to take.
Carbon Monoxide is an odorless and colorless gas, and no one has the ability to analyze the presence or concentration thereof in the air unless and until the effects are noted without specialized equipment, something outside Officer Chauvin's area of expertise.
That's why we have CO monitors in our houses and elsewhere where the gas might accumulate, to alert us to the presence and levels of the gas.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Bigun on April 16, 2021, 12:58:26 pm
Yep. The prosecution was not forthcoming in Discovery, and arguably had not been during the rest of the trial, dumping bits here and there on the defense.
Considering Mr. Floyd's exposure to CO was limited in duration and intensity (Chauvin did not succumb to CO poisoning, iirc, and was not much farther from that same exhaust), I really think this is a weak angle for the prosecution to take.
Carbon Monoxide is an odorless and colorless gas, and no one has the ability to analyze the presence or concentration thereof in the air unless and until the effects are noted without specialized equipment, something outside Officer Chauvin's area of expertise.
That's why we have CO monitors in our houses and elsewhere where the gas might accumulate, to alert us to the presence and levels of the gas.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 16, 2021, 05:42:03 pm
Yep. The prosecution was not forthcoming in Discovery, and arguably had not been during the rest of the trial, dumping bits here and there on the defense.
Considering Mr. Floyd's exposure to CO was limited in duration and intensity (Chauvin did not succumb to CO poisoning, iirc, and was not much farther from that same exhaust), I really think this is a weak angle for the prosecution to take.
Carbon Monoxide is an odorless and colorless gas, and no one has the ability to analyze the presence or concentration thereof in the air unless and until the effects are noted without specialized equipment, something outside Officer Chauvin's area of expertise.
That's why we have CO monitors in our houses and elsewhere where the gas might accumulate, to alert us to the presence and levels of the gas.
The presence of CO in Floyd's system would cause his breathing to slow, which directly contradicts the unsubstantiated 'short and rapid breathing' narrative created by the prosecution.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 16, 2021, 06:51:37 pm
Sadly,riots happening after ANY trial that goes against blacks are now a "given". People would be shocked if there WEREN'T riots,with stores vandalized,white drivers stopped and beaten,fires set,etc,etc,etc.
In the short span of 50 years we have gone from such things being so shocking they were unheard of,to it being an accepted reality that shocks no one.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 18, 2021, 10:02:17 pm
PHOTOS: Vandals Smear Pig Blood on Home Once Occupied by Derek Chauvin Defense Witness
more https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/04/18/photos-vandals-smear-pig-blood-on-home-once-occupied-by-derek-chauvin-defense-witness/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 18, 2021, 10:36:16 pm
My Unsolicited Advice to the Attorney for Derek Chauvin Regarding His Closing Argument — Part One https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/04/18/my-unsolicited-advice-to-the-attorney-for-derek-chauvin-regarding-his-closing-argument-part-one-n363623
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 18, 2021, 10:51:07 pm
My Unsolicited Advice to the Attorney for Derek Chauvin Regarding His Closing Argument — Part One https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/04/18/my-unsolicited-advice-to-the-attorney-for-derek-chauvin-regarding-his-closing-argument-part-one-n363623
So...a whole boatload of bad advice from somebody who didn't even watch the trial. I hope Nelson shitcans it.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Hoodat on April 18, 2021, 11:00:05 pm
Sadly,riots happening after ANY trial that goes against blacks are now a "given". People would be shocked if there WEREN'T riots,with stores vandalized,white drivers stopped and beaten,fires set,etc,etc,etc.
In the short span of 50 years we have gone from such things being so shocking they were unheard of,to it being an accepted reality that shocks no one.
We are all on trial here, not just Derek Chauvin
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 19, 2021, 01:01:44 am
Sadly,riots happening after ANY trial that goes against blacks are now a "given".
It doesn't help when the City of Minneapolis essentially declares a verdict of guilty at the start with their $30+ million payout. Any fallout that occurs falls squarely upon the city.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 19, 2021, 12:11:10 pm
It doesn't help when the City of Minneapolis essentially declares a verdict of guilty at the start with their $30+ million payout. Any fallout that occurs falls squarely upon the city.
How would you like to be a citizen of Minneapolis, a place where with your tax dollars you pay for the police to instigate restraint training such as placing a knee on the shoulders. then turn around and pay off millions to criminals when this is applied, then watch that same political group switch money from the police to activists so they can set fire and loot city businesses with impunity as the city officials urge them on?
This isn't America, it is some third world country.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: dfwgator on April 19, 2021, 12:34:37 pm
How would you like to be a citizen of Minneapolis, a place where with your tax dollars you pay for the police to instigate restraint training such as placing a knee on the shoulders. then turn around and pay off millions to criminals when this is applied, then watch that same political group switch money from the police to activists so they can set fire and loot city businesses with impunity as the city officials urge them on?
This isn't America, it is some third world country.
You get what you vote for. Good and hard.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 19, 2021, 02:44:23 pm
How would you like to be a citizen of Minneapolis, a place where with your tax dollars you pay for the police to instigate restraint training such as placing a knee on the shoulders. then turn around and pay off millions to criminals when this is applied, then watch that same political group switch money from the police to activists so they can set fire and loot city businesses with impunity as the city officials urge them on?
This isn't America, it is some third world country.
If you were to have gone to a movie,even as recently as the 1970's,and that was the plot,you would have gotten up and walked out in disgust.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 19, 2021, 02:48:58 pm
Derek Chauvin trial live: Closing arguments begin, then jury will be sequestered during verdict deliberations
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N'dea Yancey-Bragg, Tami Abdollah, Grace Hauck, Kevin McCoy and Eric Ferkenhoff, USA TODAY 12 mins ago
MINNEAPOLIS — Attorneys for the prosecution and defense in the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, charged in George Floyd's death, are presenting their closing arguments Monday.
The attorneys will summarize their respective evidence and witness testimony, trying to focus jurors on the most important elements and what they argue those elements proved. The prosecution rested its case last week after calling 38 witnesses and playing dozens of video clips over the course of 11 days. The defense rested Thursday after calling seven witnesses over two days.
Son in the UK says the country has been watching the trial and are watching this conclusion. A few days ago I sent them a list of jurors that describes what their jobs are and what they said when appointed a juror. He sent that list around to people he knew were watching it. He said they were pleased to get the list.
I suppose most countries are like the UK. They are watching. They may be watching in order not to miss out on seeing the riots afterward...
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 19, 2021, 07:18:20 pm
Son in the UK says the country has been watching the trial and are watching this conclusion. A few days ago I sent them a list of jurors that describes what their jobs are and what they said when appointed a juror. He sent that list around to people he knew were watching it. He said they were pleased to get the list.
I suppose most countries are like the UK. They are watching. They may be watching in order not to miss out on seeing the riots afterward...
My regards to my brother, your boy! I agree, a lot of people are watching, in the same manner some watch NASCAR: For the crashes.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 19, 2021, 08:01:29 pm
Defense rest..now the rebuttal..
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 19, 2021, 08:59:50 pm
Well, that's it. It's in the Jury's hands now....
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Victoria33 on April 19, 2021, 09:01:38 pm
Because I had the jury list and a bit of info. about them, I did a psychological evaluation of their IQ according to their job title and words they used on their jury questionnaire. Then evaluated the ones who said they were worried, or somewhat worried, about their safety if they got on the jury. I evaluated that, thinking their worry would come back big time when they go to deliberation and have to face the fear of Black Lives Matter, etc., if they vote the cop not guilty.
1. There are two jurors who have an extended family member who is a peace officer. 2. Three had safety concerns. 3. There were two of higher than normal IQ who seem to have enough guts to make a decision based on evidence. In other words, they can connect the dots as to what happened when. Those two, or one, may vote the cop innocent.
@Cyber Liberty, due to my professional training, I am charging you my fee of 5 cents for this evaluation.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: dfwgator on April 19, 2021, 09:07:18 pm
We should do a poll to see how long we think the jury will be out
Not a bad idea. Options: <1 day, 2 days, 3 days....and so on. It won't be longer than a week. Jurors are sequestered, and they'll be at it at 8 AM tomorrow. Today doesn't count, they have an hour or so today, enough time to elect a Foreman, set rules for discussion and getting to know each other, aside from the facts of the case. Tomorrow will start with analyzing the evidence, so the clock starts then.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 19, 2021, 09:20:20 pm
The Judge blasted Mad Max real good for her circus act
He did, then concluded it did not influence the Jury. Meh. He's a crap-weasel. His instructions were better than the ones from the Floriduh broad Judge in the Zimmerman case.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 19, 2021, 09:33:38 pm
The judge did say if a verdict is reached tonight it won't be announced until tomorrow morning..
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Wingnut on April 19, 2021, 09:38:03 pm
He did, then concluded it did not influence the Jury. Meh. He's a crap-weasel. His instructions were better than the ones from the Floriduh broad Judge in the Zimmerman case.
In my opinion He was smart not to go MT. It gives the defense another bullet on appeal front.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Victoria33 on April 19, 2021, 09:41:30 pm
Here is an email I got from your brother two days ago. National Geographic has used his voice for their international version of his Tibetan Mummy film. It is his voice you will hear. Here is his note to me:
"Hi Mom,
I was surprised to find on the internet my voice on the international version of the Tibetan Mummy film I made. I either did not know or had forgotten that my voice was used around the world. Here's a link to the film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hFhweFzxI&t=11s
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Victoria33 on April 19, 2021, 09:42:52 pm
@Cyber Liberty, I did not know a picture would post! Thought it would be a link.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 19, 2021, 09:56:46 pm
Here is an email I got from your brother two days ago. National Geographic has used his voice for their international version of his Tibetan Mummy film. It is his voice you will hear. Here is his note to me:
"Hi Mom,
I was surprised to find on the internet my voice on the international version of the Tibetan Mummy film I made. I either did not know or had forgotten that my voice was used around the world. Here's a link to the film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hFhweFzxI&t=11s
@Victoria33 he's been in GB too long..he has a British accent..lol
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 19, 2021, 10:05:50 pm
WATCH: Judge in Derek Chauvin Case Calls Maxine Waters’s Comments ‘Disrespectful to the Rule of Law … Abhorrent’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/19/watch-judge-in-derek-chauvin-case-calls-maxine-waterss-comments-disrespectful-to-the-rule-of-law-abhorrent/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 19, 2021, 10:36:25 pm
WATCH: Judge in Derek Chauvin Case Calls Maxine Waters’s Comments ‘Disrespectful to the Rule of Law … Abhorrent’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/19/watch-judge-in-derek-chauvin-case-calls-maxine-waterss-comments-disrespectful-to-the-rule-of-law-abhorrent/
She is a disgrace to her congressional seat, the country and to her race.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Bigun on April 19, 2021, 11:03:31 pm
WATCH: Judge in Derek Chauvin Case Calls Maxine Waters’s Comments ‘Disrespectful to the Rule of Law … Abhorrent’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/19/watch-judge-in-derek-chauvin-case-calls-maxine-waterss-comments-disrespectful-to-the-rule-of-law-abhorrent/
What is this "rule of law" you speak of your honor?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:32:25 am
pointing-down
Aaron Rupar @atrupar
Judge Cahill to Chauvin defense attorney Eric Nelson: "I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned."
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:33:15 am
Reasonable Officer Poso @JackPosobiec
Nancy Pelosi defended Maxine Waters' actions and comments
Judge Cahill just said Waters might have caused a mistrial
5:19 PM · Apr 19, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1384255461994549251
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:35:05 am
shipwreckedcrew @shipwreckedcrew
Judge Cahill's comment about Maxine Waters' comments further confirms my view that he's not concerned about "fair trial" issues.
He's just providing as fair a trial as he thinks he can, and its for the appellate court to decide if it was enough.
Unacceptable from a trial judge.
6:55 PM · Apr 19, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1384279394273792006
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:37:16 am
Sean Corry @shonkori
"If I were on the jury, I would vote guilty on all points with no deliberation. We would include a note to the judge stating 'we did this for own safety and with no regard to the facts of the case.'" -
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Lori Geishecker @lorigeishecker · 1h
WATCH: Judge in Derek Chauvin Case Calls Maxine Waters’s Comments ‘Disrespectful to the Rule of Law … Abhorrent’ https://buff.ly/3gt1uld from @joelpollak
8:15 PM · Apr 19, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/shonkori/status/1384299672399872001
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:38:34 am
Jason Whitlock @WhitlockJason
Prosecution has done all it can to ensure riots. Weak closing argument. Very weak.
12:14 PM · Apr 19, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1384178633393065986
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:40:22 am
Reasonable Officer Poso @JackPosobiec
Blood is smeared across home of Derek Chauvin witness and severed PIG'S HEAD is left on the steps after he testified in George Floyd trial
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1383915266199851011/1tG86q0C?format=jpg&name=small) Vandals leave PIG'S HEAD outside former home of Derek Chauvin witness The group of vandals struck at around 3am on Saturday, smearing animal blood on the front door and garage of the residence in Santa Rosa, California, where witness Barry Brodd once lived. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9485085/Vandals-target-former-home-Derek-Chauvin-expert-witness-Barry-Brodd-severed-PIGS-HEAD.html
10:01 PM · Apr 18, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1383963817755910148
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 12:57:41 am
Reverend Al Sharpton @TheRevAl
Headed to Minneapolis to stand with the Floyd family as closing arguments are set to be made today.
RUGH,ROH! Somebodie dun woke up de Rev-Rund Al,and told him there were going to be teebee cameras there!
Gee,I wonder if he is going to incite the crowd to riot so he can get paid to help the authorities to restore order?
Not that I doubt his deeply held religious convictions,mind you!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 20, 2021, 01:18:51 am
Now watching the final arguments of the prosecutor.
And obvious lightweight. Means Chauvin will skate.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 20, 2021, 01:20:38 am
Reasonable Officer Poso @JackPosobiec
Over and over Nelson makes the argument that because Chauvin knew he was on camera and in front of witnesses that he intended to follow his understanding of training and policy, had no criminal intent
4:35 PM · Apr 19, 2021·Twitter Web App https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1384244229363310592
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 20, 2021, 01:21:01 am
She is a disgrace to her congressional seat, the country and to her race.
More than that, she should be tried, convicted and executed for treasonous behavior.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 20, 2021, 01:23:30 am
Watch Live: Crowds Gather in Minneapolis as Jury Deliberates in Chauvin Trial https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/19/watch-live-crowds-gather-in-minneapolis-as-jury-deliberates-in-chauvin-trial/
Title: Breaking News: Gunmen Open Fire on National Guard Troops after Democrat Leaders Call for All Out Vio
Post by: rangerrebew on April 20, 2021, 11:17:37 am
Breaking News: Gunmen Open Fire on National Guard Troops after Democrat Leaders Call for All Out Violence byMatthew Holloway April 19, 2021
In Minneapolis, MN unknown gunmen in a light colored SUV opened fire on National Guard troops deployed to provide security during the trial of Derek Chauvin, According to sources with the Minnesota National Guard the shooting happened in the early morning while security teams were patrolling the area. TwinCities.com reported the drive-by shooting took place at 4:19 AM
Two Guardsmen recieved medical treatment following the attack for lacerations caused by broken glass. Others in the patrol suffered superficial injuries only. In an impressive show of restraint, the National Guard troops did not return fire on the vehicle as the assailants fled.
ToddStarnes.com reported, “I am relieved to know none of our Guardsmen were seriously injured,†said Maj. Gen. Shawn Manke, the Adjutant General of the Minnesota National Guard. “This event highlights the volatility and tension in our communities right now. I ask for peace as we work through this difficult time.â€
Title: Re: Breaking News: Gunmen Open Fire on National Guard Troops after Democrat Leaders Call for All Out
Post by: sneakypete on April 20, 2021, 03:42:38 pm
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In an impressive show of restraint, the National Guard troops did not return fire on the vehicle as the assailants fled.
LOL! Most likely they didn't have any ammo.
Title: Re: Breaking News: Gunmen Open Fire on National Guard Troops after Democrat Leaders Call for All Out
Post by: Wingnut on April 20, 2021, 07:14:06 pm
Title: Re: Breaking News: Gunmen Open Fire on National Guard Troops after Democrat Leaders Call for All Out
Post by: BassWrangler on April 20, 2021, 07:32:17 pm
That seems to be the norm these days. A lot of times, they don't even bother to insert an empty magazine, so it's really obvious the rifles aren't loaded.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 20, 2021, 07:47:46 pm
Derek Chauvin verdict live updates: Jury reaches a verdict in George Floyd's death
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MINNEAPOLIS — The jury has reached a verdict in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former police officer charged with the murder of George Floyd last May.
The verdict will be read between 3:30 and 4 p.m. CT, according to the court.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Idiot on April 20, 2021, 08:40:07 pm
The verdict was a given since day one...
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 20, 2021, 09:09:51 pm
Guilty on all counts!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: jafo2010 on April 21, 2021, 03:39:41 am
Because of the outcome of this trial and having the Democommies running the country in total, 50,000 to 1 million INNOCENT Americans will die needlessly. Anyone here honestly believe with the Dems in control that individual safety will be maintained?
In a country where violence is celebrated by criminals, the predators are going to have a field day knowing they will be returned to the street within a couple hours to resume their behavior. Look at the dirt bag that robbed a bank, and was released what was it, five times to repeat the crime in New York?
With the Democommies in charge, insanity rules!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: sneakypete on April 21, 2021, 05:16:14 am
Black racists and self-serving politicians all over the country are celebrating this victory and planning their next moves.
Even though at this time only one side is fighting,and the other side is spinning around in circles and muttering "WTF????"
I HONESTLY don't personally know ONE single white individual who would cause or even wish harm to anyone black PURELY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK,even if they were guaranteed to get away with it.
If I do know such a person,they have kept that desire to themselves around me. Never even heard a single one of my friends say they know someone that thinks that.
Can any black man say the same about blacks?
I fully expect to see bills presented in Congress to make it illegal for a white cop to even detain a black suspect,never mind arrest him or her.
Segregation IS making a comeback,and just look at WHO is bringing it back!
Yeah,we will all laugh and say "Let'm try! It will never happen!"
AHEM!
Who thought what happened today was likely to happen 20 years ago?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on April 21, 2021, 04:09:16 pm
Black racists and self-serving politicians all over the country are celebrating this victory and planning their next moves.
Even though at this time only one side is fighting,and the other side is spinning around in circles and muttering "WTF????"
I HONESTLY don't personally know ONE single white individual who would cause or even wish harm to anyone black PURELY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK,even if they were guaranteed to get away with it.
If I do know such a person,they have kept that desire to themselves around me. Never even heard a single one of my friends say they know someone that thinks that.
Can any black man say the same about blacks?
I fully expect to see bills presented in Congress to make it illegal for a white cop to even detain a black suspect,never mind arrest him or her.
Segregation IS making a comeback,and just look at WHO is bringing it back!
Yeah,we will all laugh and say "Let'm try! It will never happen!"
AHEM!
Who thought what happened today was likely to happen 20 years ago?
It's insane. As policing in lower income minority areas plummets, crime will skyrocket.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Fishrrman on April 21, 2021, 04:39:51 pm
Sneakypete wonders: "Who thought what happened today was likely to happen 20 years ago?"
There were some who did. The folks over at the American Renaissance publication certainly did, and they warned us about what was coming. But few listened, and nearly everyone called them "racists". Even today to mention that publication or their current website is enough to make most forum administrators tremble in fear.
Having said that... The reason I checked into this thread this morning was that the thought came to me (as they rarely do), that perhaps the smart thing for Kyle Rittenhouse to do would be to "slip underground", find a new identity, and try to get out of the country.
He could start a new life in another country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA.
I don't think he's gonna get a fair shake in the courtroom.
Before too much longer, it may come down to the same for most white/black incidents and the subsequent courtroom cases that result from them. At least in most urban areas.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on April 21, 2021, 05:16:29 pm
Sneakypete wonders: "Who thought what happened today was likely to happen 20 years ago?"
There were some who did. The folks over at the American Renaissance publication certainly did, and they warned us about what was coming. But few listened, and nearly everyone called them "racists". Even today to mention that publication or their current website is enough to make most forum administrators tremble in fear.
Having said that... The reason I checked into this thread this morning was that the thought came to me (as they rarely do), that perhaps the smart thing for Kyle Rittenhouse to do would be to "slip underground", find a new identity, and try to get out of the country.
He could start a new life in another country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA.
I don't think he's gonna get a fair shake in the courtroom.
Before too much longer, it may come down to the same for most white/black incidents and the subsequent courtroom cases that result from them. At least in most urban areas.
If I were his mom, this is what I would advise.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: dfwgator on April 21, 2021, 05:39:24 pm
I don't give a rat's anymore, they brought it upon themselves.
I DO, and here's why.
Those rising crime stats in areas which have a long history of general contempt for the law, anyway, will be used as the excuse to try to disarm the people who don't live there, didn't do anything wrong, and who ordinarily follow the law--people whose only prayer of staying alive might be to refuse to comply with the 'solutions' the politicians come up with for the problems they, themselves, created with policy.
In general terms, violence begets violence, and there will be no solution to the deep cultural ills of certain demographics until that stops. Merely letting that run its course might work, but I don't think the 'patient' will survive, and the cultural pathogens are already moving into different demographics via the vectors of pop culture, the internet, 'entertainment' media and especially television. When you see a white kid call another white kid "my nig-ga", something is wrong, culturally, and despite the obvious appropriation, the mindset is the poison, and that is pervasive.
If the problem confined itself to the areas and groups who are most active, it would be bad enough, but to think it will be confined by those geographic or cultural boundaries is folly.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Idiot on April 21, 2021, 07:40:01 pm
Those rising crime stats in areas which have a long history of general contempt for the law, anyway, will be used as the excuse to try to disarm the people who don't live there, didn't do anything wrong, and who ordinarily follow the law--people whose only prayer of staying alive might be to refuse to comply with the 'solutions' the politicians come up with for the problems they, themselves, created with policy.
In general terms, violence begets violence, and there will be no solution to the deep cultural ills of certain demographics until that stops. Merely letting that run its course might work, but I don't think the 'patient' will survive, and the cultural pathogens are already moving into different demographics via the vectors of pop culture, the internet, 'entertainment' media and especially television. When you see a white kid call another white kid "my nig-ga", something is wrong, culturally, and despite the obvious appropriation, the mindset is the poison, and that is pervasive.
If the problem confined itself to the areas and groups who are most active, it would be bad enough, but to think it will be confined by those geographic or cultural boundaries is folly.
:yowsa:
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: Fishrrman on April 21, 2021, 08:21:12 pm
Smokin Joe wrote: "In general terms, violence begets violence, and there will be no solution to the deep cultural ills of certain demographics until that stops."
You're correct, Joe -- but not in the way that YOU THINK you are.
The only force that will stop the violence now tearing at the seams of civilization in our cities can be GREATER "violence", applied against the offenders (of your "certain demographics) with sufficiently increasing force until they realize that their behavior will no longer work.
Then they'll "stop". Not until.
I realize this post won't be popular. Tough.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DB on April 21, 2021, 09:13:21 pm
Those rising crime stats in areas which have a long history of general contempt for the law, anyway, will be used as the excuse to try to disarm the people who don't live there, didn't do anything wrong, and who ordinarily follow the law--people whose only prayer of staying alive might be to refuse to comply with the 'solutions' the politicians come up with for the problems they, themselves, created with policy.
In general terms, violence begets violence, and there will be no solution to the deep cultural ills of certain demographics until that stops. Merely letting that run its course might work, but I don't think the 'patient' will survive, and the cultural pathogens are already moving into different demographics via the vectors of pop culture, the internet, 'entertainment' media and especially television. When you see a white kid call another white kid "my nig-ga", something is wrong, culturally, and despite the obvious appropriation, the mindset is the poison, and that is pervasive.
If the problem confined itself to the areas and groups who are most active, it would be bad enough, but to think it will be confined by those geographic or cultural boundaries is folly.
If housing prices are dropping in those cities then a lot of people trying to escape will be upside down and stuck. I feel for those people.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 21, 2021, 09:21:13 pm
If housing prices are dropping in those cities then a lot of people trying to escape will be upside down and stuck. I feel for those people.
I heard today that the DEMS are proposing a bill that mandates that homes must be brought up to "green" standards and if you have not upgraded your home to those standards you will not be able to sell it; pretty much making a lot of homes worthless!
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: dfwgator on April 21, 2021, 09:24:03 pm
I heard today that the DEMS are proposing a bill that mandates that homes must be brought up to "green" standards and if you have not upgraded your home to those standards you will not be able to sell it; pretty much making a lot of homes worthless!
Of course certain demographics will be exempt.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: DB on April 21, 2021, 10:24:29 pm
I heard today that the DEMS are proposing a bill that mandates that homes must be brought up to "green" standards and if you have not upgraded your home to those standards you will not be able to sell it; pretty much making a lot of homes worthless!
Was that state or federal?
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: goatprairie on April 21, 2021, 10:39:38 pm
Smokin Joe wrote: "In general terms, violence begets violence, and there will be no solution to the deep cultural ills of certain demographics until that stops."
You're correct, Joe -- but not in the way that YOU THINK you are.
The only force that will stop the violence now tearing at the seams of civilization in our cities can be GREATER "violence", applied against the offenders (of your "certain demographics) with sufficiently increasing force until they realize that their behavior will no longer work.
Then they'll "stop". Not until.
I realize this post won't be popular. Tough.
"The only force that will stop the violence now tearing at the seams of civilization in our cities can be GREATER "violence", applied against the offenders (of your "certain demographics) with sufficiently increasing force until they realize that their behavior will no longer work."
Yes, the demographics causing 90% of the problem have to be stepped on harshly not placated. Unfortunately, in this environment that will not happen.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: mystery-ak on April 21, 2021, 10:41:46 pm
Derek Chauvin Placed On Suicide Watch Ahead Of Sentencing. He Could Face Up To 75 Years https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/21/cop-derek-chauvin-suicide-watch-prison-conviction-sentencing-murder-manslaughter-george-floyd/
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: BassWrangler on April 21, 2021, 10:50:43 pm
Derek Chauvin Placed On Suicide Watch Ahead Of Sentencing. He Could Face Up To 75 Years https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/21/cop-derek-chauvin-suicide-watch-prison-conviction-sentencing-murder-manslaughter-george-floyd/
I doubt he will survive long in prison. Hopefully he can hold on until his appeal can be heard.
Title: Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
Post by: libertybele on April 21, 2021, 11:02:52 pm