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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: 17 Oaks on March 22, 2016, 09:41:37 pm
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There is growing concern over Trumps numbers:
Trump has YET to take over 50% of the vote, he may later, but has not scored yet AND out of almost 20 M votes cast, Trump has only grabbed 7.54 M votes: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html
Trump has YET to beat Clinton in any legit poll if its heads up for the crown: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Then we have a MAJOR Trump point which is: "I am self funded"! Yea, but for how long? I will GUESS thru the nomination, but after than he needs a $Billion ++++ LARGE to go heads up with Hilda.
FOLKS, the focus is on winning the game, not just the nomination, ask Romney and all those who have have placed second in the election over the past couple hundred years.
Time to take off the rose colored glasses and deal with reality that will very soon begin to set in.
Don't get me wrong, this is NOT a bash Trump, these (above) are FACTS. I like Trump a LOT.
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So far, Donald Trump has two million more votes than any other candidate. Bye-bye, any other candidate!
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Delegates, ac. Votes don't matter if he doesn't get the delegates.
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Then, I just wanted to correct this, which was misleading:
Trump has YET to take over 50% of the vote, he may later, but has not scored yet AND out of almost 20 M votes cast, Trump has only grabbed 7.54 M votes: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html
Yes, 7.54 million votes. But which is 2 million more then the next competitor! Which speaks to a general election blowout for Donald J Trump!
Sorry, I don't see all the doom and gloom the original poster saw.
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So far, Donald Trump has two million more votes than any other candidate. Bye-bye, any other candidate!
That does NOT matter, we are past that...what matters is who becomes POTUS, winning the nomination is not enough, ask Romney...
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Then, I just wanted to correct this, which was misleading:
Trump has YET to take over 50% of the vote, he may later, but has not scored yet AND out of almost 20 M votes cast, Trump has only grabbed 7.54 M votes: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html
Yes, 7.54 million votes. But which is 2 million more then the next competitor! Which speaks to a general election blowout for Donald J Trump!
Sorry, I don't see all the doom and gloom the original poster saw.
Are you kidding? There is absolutely no way you can extrapolate from votes in a partisan primary to the general election. The way Trump is going he'll be lucky to get many votes in the general other than his primary voters.
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Which speaks to a general election blowout for Donald J Trump!
:facepalm2:
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Trump had a very large number of competitors that split the vote. Can you see my rationale here?
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Trump had a very large number of competitors that split the vote. Can you see my rationale here?
No. Please elaborate.
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Trump had a very large number of competitors that split the vote. Can you see my rationale here?
Nope. Not in the least. Please explain the logic behind making a linear extrapolation from intraparty primary results to general election results.
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Trump had a very large number of competitors that split the vote. Can you see my rationale here?
In November, if he is the party nominee, he'd be running against someone altogether different. Bubbette is not Lindsay Graham.
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So far, Donald Trump has two million more votes than any other candidate. Bye-bye, any other candidate!
He is the weakest frontrunner the GOP has had since Ford based on votes being cast. It's pathetic considering the high GOP turnout.
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So, which of the OTHER candidates have better numbers than Trump?
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So, which of the OTHER candidates have better numbers than Trump?
Trump has the worst numbers going up against Clinton. That is ultimately what matters.
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So, which of the OTHER candidates have better numbers than Trump?
Kasich, Rubio, Cruz.
Yes even Ted Cruz comes within winning distance to HRC. Trump loses badly.
Rubio and Kasich completely smoke her.
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Then, I just wanted to correct this, which was misleading:
Trump has YET to take over 50% of the vote, he may later, but has not scored yet AND out of almost 20 M votes cast, Trump has only grabbed 7.54 M votes: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html)
Yes, 7.54 million votes. But which is 2 million more then the next competitor! Which speaks to a general election blowout for Donald J Trump!
Sorry, I don't see all the doom and gloom the original poster saw.
Rose colored glasses make you blind:
8,651,128 Votes for HildaBeast, over 1 M more than Trump
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In November, if he is the party nominee, he'd be running against someone altogether different. Bubbette is not Lindsay Graham.
Some republicans expected Lindsey Graham to beat Hillary. Some republicans expected Jeb Bush to still be in the race. Some Republicans expected Trump to fade at 15%...you know where I'm going with this.
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Some republicans expected Lindsey Graham to beat Hillary. Some republicans expected Jeb Bush to still be in the race. Some Republicans expected Trump to fade at 15%...you know where I'm going with this.
No not really, you are looking in the rear view mirror and I am looking forward down the road, I am concerned about wining the game and you seem to be concerned about winning a state.
Trump has got a wining hand for the nomination and at the very best he will be extremely hard to beat either in delegates or if brokered the GOP public sway should put him over the top. That is merely a battle, its the war we have to win.
IMO the way Trump wins the war is to pick the right VP. Trump is not pulling from deep in the GOP, but if he can pick a solid VP and think they can run the ball all the way.
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Rose colored glasses make you blind:
8,651,128 Votes for HildaBeast, over 1 M more than Trump
Make no mistake, the increase in voter turnout this election is due to Donald Trump. A large chunk of those are democrats and independents, which represent a very large sampling of the rest of the country.
Faced with a badly damaged and flawed democrat candidate in Hillary, voters will vote for and elect Donald Trump in droves.
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Kasich, Rubio, Cruz.
Yes even Ted Cruz comes within winning distance to HRC. Trump loses badly.
Rubio and Kasich completely smoke her.
:thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud:
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:thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: :thud:
Talk about rose colored glasses
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeKZ52-XIAAv1lD.jpg)
Best numbers for Hillary since Trump got in the race.
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Kasich, Rubio, Cruz.
Yes even Ted Cruz comes within winning distance to HRC. Trump loses badly.
Rubio and Kasich completely smoke her.
Even Cruz. Right. Was this a serious post? Rubio couldn't and Kasich can't Cruz is the only one that can.
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Even Cruz. Right. Was this a serious post. Rubio couldn't and Kasich can't Cruz is the only one that can.
Just going by what I saw in the polls.
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Just going by what I saw in the polls.
The polls put Rubio and Kasich above Cruz? The polls have really been wrong then. It hasn't proven out.
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The polls put Rubio and Kasich above Cruz? The polls have really been wrong then. It hasn't proven out.
Of course they are. Only polls that agree with you are right, right?
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Of course they are. Only polls that agree with you are right, right?
I am just saying that if the polls say that it hasn't proven out in the vote. Maybe Rubio received double digits in a vote once? Kasich same. So whoever is polling is not voting.
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For the Trumpets:
Keith Urbahn @keithurbahn 16m16 minutes ago
Mitt on Trump at NRCC dinner on whether he's actually a Mormon: "He could have just asked my wives."
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For you Cruzbots: L - You!
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I figured if I used the F word I'd get into trouble with management. So, I'm not using the F word. Got that! ^-^
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I figured if I used the F word I'd get into trouble with management. So, I'm not using the F word. Got that! ^-^
:silly:
Why would you? I've never seen you this angry.
Relax. Life is good.
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Why would you? I've never seen you this angry.
Relax. Life is good.
Come on, it's not anger. Actually, I'm in a playful mood...just joking around.
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>>Then we have a MAJOR Trump point which is: "I am self funded"! Yea, but for how long? I will GUESS thru the nomination, but after than he needs a $Billion ++++ LARGE to go heads up with Hilda.<<
I have been predicting since the day he announced that he wasn't serious,and it was only a ego thing being done for profit,and would drop out before the general election,or sooner if it looked like he would lose in a blow-out.
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>>Then we have a MAJOR Trump point which is: "I am self funded"! Yea, but for how long? I will GUESS thru the nomination, but after than he needs a $Billion ++++ LARGE to go heads up with Hilda.<<
I have been predicting since the day he announced that he wasn't serious,and it was only a ego thing being done for profit,and would drop out before the general election,or sooner if it looked like he would lose in a blow-out.
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This is funny. You guys think Donald Trump is something between Hitler and a flake. LOL.
This is what we know.
We know he's a billionaire. We know he's a successful real estate developer. We know he's built iconic structures all over the world. We know he's got a public record going back 35 years and more. And We know he' someone who loves America.
You guys are the ones conjuring up a fantasy. The stuff I said above is true.
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Kris Hammond
@KrisHammond
Mitt Romney at @NRCC dinner: "Donald Trump has had several foreign wives. It turns out that there are really are jobs Americans won't do."
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Kris Hammond
@KrisHammond
Mitt Romney at @NRCC dinner: "Donald Trump has had several foreign wives. It turns out that there are really are jobs Americans won't do."
LOL? Who knew that Mitt has a sense of humor?
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LOL? Who knew that Mitt has a sense of humor?
Speaking of sense of humor. Forget Trump
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeMq5PiUUAAVRPe.jpg)
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:chien:
This is funny. You guys think Donald Trump is something between Hitler and a flake. LOL.
This is what we know.
We know he's a billionaire. We know he's a successful real estate developer. We know he's built iconic structures all over the world. We know he's got a public record going back 35 years and more. And We know he' someone who loves America.
You guys are the ones conjuring up a fantasy. The stuff I said above is true.
However its NOT relevant. Not one thing you said addresses the points I made...its OK, one thing I have noticed about Trump supporters is those rose colored glasses, all made by some company called Denial.
Trying to have a legit discussion with Trump folks is like trying to tell a caveman about riding a Harley or asking a BLM supporter to buy a ticket to the Policeman's Ball. Not only will it not happen, but they lack the ability to deal with the concept.
I would love to say I am all out for Trump, but then I would be running with you. Wonder how many closet Trump supporters there are who will only speak at the voting booth.
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:chien:
This is funny. You guys think Donald Trump is something between Hitler and a flake. LOL.
This is what we know.
We know he's a billionaire. We know he's a successful real estate developer. We know he's built iconic structures all over the world. We know he's got a public record going back 35 years and more. And We know he' someone who loves America.
You guys are the ones conjuring up a fantasy. The stuff I said above is true.
And we know that his public record is remarkably at odds with the positions he claims to take now. We also do not know if he's someone who loves America - unless we're claiming psychic powers - because love is a matter of subjective feeling, and to the extent it manifests outwardly, his public record is neutral, neither demonstrating love nor demonstrating hate.
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However its NOT relevant. Not one thing you said addresses the points I made...its OK, one thing I have noticed about Trump supporters is those rose colored glasses, all made by some company called Denial.
Trying to have a legit discussion with Trump folks is like trying to tell a caveman about riding a Harley or asking a BLM supporter to buy a ticket to the Policeman's Ball. Not only will it not happen, but they lack the ability to deal with the concept.
I would love to say I am all out for Trump, but then I would be running with you. Wonder how many closet Trump supporters there are who will only speak at the voting booth.
Or having a discussion with the guitarist from Spinal Tap about why his amp goes to 11.
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Or having a discussion with the guitarist from Spinal Tap about why his amp goes to 11.
LOL :amen:
Guess we all saw the results of yesterday. Utah, Cruz 70% the Donald about 14%. Yea Trump took Az, but like I have been saying, we need to be here to win the war, who ever is in 2nd place is the 1st LOSER and we cannot stand another 8 yrs of the far left communism-socialism.
Was talking with a good friend Monday and they were leaving Tues for Cabo in the Baja of Mexico. As they told me, 'we are spending 2 weeks down there to find a place to live, we will buy before we come back. At the best it will be a retirement and live there part of the year, at the worst, (if Hillary wins) we are selling out, kids long gone and moving there perm. They are not the only ones I know thinking same. Wife and I are talking, I have no family at all and wife only has family in the UK, we have no children at all. If HildaBeast wins there is nothing holding us here at that time. Wife lived and went to college in Mexico City, speaks it fluently.
So far in this thread that I had hoped would initiate some discussion and good opinions but about all we have got is attitudes, saying I think Trump is a Hitler.
I have never said I was a non supporter of Trump, nor bashed him in any way. But I will tell you this, if we lose the election, you walking around telling us how Trump ALMOST won don't mean jack.
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LOL :amen:
Was talking with a good friend Monday and they were leaving Tues for Cabo in the Baja of Mexico. As they told me, 'we are spending 2 weeks down there to find a place to live, we will buy before we come back. At the best it will be a retirement and live there part of the year, at the worst, (if Hillary wins) we are selling out, kids long gone and moving there perm. They are not the only ones I know thinking same. Wife and I are talking, I have no family at all and wife only has family in the UK, we have no children at all. If HildaBeast wins there is nothing holding us here at that time. Wife lived and went to college in Mexico City, speaks it fluently.
Started to send you a PM,but decided this was imfo others might benefit from. Do NOT buy any land or buildings in Cabo. It is illegal in Mexico for any foreigner to own any property within 50 miles of a beach. Yeah,there ARE developers down there that will sell it to you,but they can't legally do that so you end up losing the money and the property you never legally owned.
In fact,that very thing is the most recent scam I know of Trump pulling. Not counting his presidential run,of course.
He went partners with a development company at a Mexican beach resort that had Carlo as the first name. The deal was represented to be a luxury condo development for wealthy retired Americans that had walls and security to protect them. IIRC,it took a 200 grand down payment to buy one and have them start work on building it. I forget now how many of these condos got built,but it was fraction of what was supposed to have been built and what was sold and had deposits placed on them. The "luxury" clubhouse,spa,heated swimming pool/workout/gym area didn't get built,either.
The Mexican government swooped in and shut everything down. A settlement was made out of court by the buyers and the development company/Trump,and all they got was shut up and go away money because the law is on our side and this is all you will ever get" money.
It happened outside the US so Trump couldn't be sued over it,and since he lives in the US there is nothing Mexico can do to him. Not that they would,anyhow. With all the high prices lawyers Trump has on retainer there is no way in hell he didn't know he didn't own what he was selling,so chances are he,the other investors,and the Mexican officials were all in on this scam together.
Trump doesn't count this as a bankruptcy because he never had to appear in a US bankruptcy court after it was shut down,and apparently Mexico doesn't have bankruptcy courts or the power to extradite him to Mexico.
Be VERY careful about buying land in Mexico.
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However its NOT relevant. Not one thing you said addresses the points I made...its OK, one thing I have noticed about Trump supporters is those rose colored glasses, all made by some company called Denial.
Trying to have a legit discussion with Trump folks is like trying to tell a caveman about riding a Harley or asking a BLM supporter to buy a ticket to the Policeman's Ball. Not only will it not happen, but they lack the ability to deal with the concept.
I would love to say I am all out for Trump, but then I would be running with you. Wonder how many closet Trump supporters there are who will only speak at the voting booth.
:amen: Those rose colored glasses are very blinding!
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Started to send you a PM,but decided this was imfo others might benefit from. Do NOT buy any land or buildings in Cabo. It is illegal in Mexico for any foreigner to own any property within 50 miles of a beach. Yeah,there ARE developers down there that will sell it to you,but they can't legally do that so you end up losing the money and the property you never legally owned.
In fact,that very thing is the most recent scam I know of Trump pulling. Not counting his presidential run,of course.
He went partners with a development company at a Mexican beach resort that had Carlo as the first name. The deal was represented to be a luxury condo development for wealthy retired Americans that had walls and security to protect them. IIRC,it took a 200 grand down payment to buy one and have them start work on building it. I forget now how many of these condos got built,but it was fraction of what was supposed to have been built and what was sold and had deposits placed on them. The "luxury" clubhouse,spa,heated swimming pool/workout/gym area didn't get built,either.
The Mexican government swooped in and shut everything down. A settlement was made out of court by the buyers and the development company/Trump,and all they got was shut up and go away money because the law is on our side and this is all you will ever get" money.
It happened outside the US so Trump couldn't be sued over it,and since he lives in the US there is nothing Mexico can do to him. Not that they would,anyhow. With all the high prices lawyers Trump has on retainer there is no way in hell he didn't know he didn't own what he was selling,so chances are he,the other investors,and the Mexican officials were all in on this scam together.
Trump doesn't count this as a bankruptcy because he never had to appear in a US bankruptcy court after it was shut down,and apparently Mexico doesn't have bankruptcy courts or the power to extradite him to Mexico.
Be VERY careful about buying land in Mexico.
Sneak, you mean HERE?????
Yep this is it, still some old signs up, but mostly rotted down, I am camping out right in front of where the entrance was to be, spent better part of a week there on the Sea of Cortez...
http://www.savagesun4x4.com/_Media/18042008395_med-2.jpeg (http://www.savagesun4x4.com/_Media/18042008395_med-2.jpeg)
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Sneak, you mean HERE?????
Yep this is it, still some old signs up, but mostly rotted down, I am camping out right in front of where the entrance was to be, spent better part of a week there on the Sea of Cortez...
http://www.savagesun4x4.com/_Media/18042008395_med-2.jpeg (http://www.savagesun4x4.com/_Media/18042008395_med-2.jpeg)
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=trump+resort+mexico (https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=trump+resort+mexico)
Read the links and decide for yourself.
Here is one short and informative link http://www.worldpropertyjournal.com/international-markets/vacation-leisure-real-estate/donald-trump-trump-ocean-resort-baja-baja-mexico-trump-international-hotel-tower-irongate-capital-partners-alex-finkelstein-527.php (http://www.worldpropertyjournal.com/international-markets/vacation-leisure-real-estate/donald-trump-trump-ocean-resort-baja-baja-mexico-trump-international-hotel-tower-irongate-capital-partners-alex-finkelstein-527.php)
And here are my favorite two paragraphs.
"Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., through a Mexican entity, PB Impulsores, informed investors there were no funds to refund deposits totaling $32.2 million.
Trump Entertainment Resorts maintains a clause in the buyers' contracts gave the developer a right to spend their deposits."
I'm sure that small clause in small print was purely a coinkydink,though.
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https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=trump+resort+mexico (https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=trump+resort+mexico)
Read the links and decide for yourself.
:laugh: Another Trump scam. Support this guy for President at your own folly my friends.
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:laugh: Another Trump scam. Support this guy for President at your own folly my friends.
Did you read the clause in their contracts were Trump was free to spend their deposits without being required to build the condos or refund any of their money?
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Sneak, no, the Trump thing is on the Pacific side and this one sets on the Sea of Cortez, but the same deal, $$$M put down for Sea front property by US folk and then find out just a scam.
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Sneak, no, the Trump thing is on the Pacific side and this one sets on the Sea of Cortez, but the same deal, $$$M put down for Sea front property by US folk and then find out just a scam.
I wasn't sure about the location,but I was and am sure about it being the same scam. After all,it is illegal for foreigners to own property in Mexico within 50 miles of a beach,so HTH can any developer sell you land that you can't legally own?
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Numbers? Okay, numbers:
Delegate race (as of TODAY 3/24)
Trump 752
Cruz 463
Kasich 144
Trump is 289 ahead of Cruz with 893 delegates remaining
Trump needs 485 of 893
Cruz needs 774 of 893
Numbers.
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Numbers. As of today, 3/24
Clinton vs. Trump in polls since 3/17
Clinton:
+12 (CNN)
+10 (CBS/NYT)
+6 (Quinnipiac)
+7 (Morning Consult)
+11 (Fox News)
+18 (Bloomberg)
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Numbers. As of today, 3/24
Clinton vs. Trump in polls since 3/17
Clinton:
+12 (CNN)
+10 (CBS/NYT)
+6 (Quinnipiac)
+7 (Morning Consult)
+11 (Fox News)
+18 (Bloomberg)
Numbers the afternoon of the Michigan primary.
Clinton vs. Sanders
+22 Clinton
Winner...Bernie Sanders
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Numbers in September 1980....Reagan vs. Carter
Carter by +16
Winner in a biblical landslide....Ronald Reagan.
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Thanks for playing. :whistle:
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Numbers the afternoon of the Michigan primary.
Clinton vs. Sanders
+22 Clinton
Winner...Bernie Sanders
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Numbers in September 1980....Reagan vs. Carter
Carter by +16
Winner in a biblical landslide....Ronald Reagan.
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Thanks for playing. :whistle:
Keep telling yourself that 47 of 53 polls showing Trump losing to Clinton are all wrong. Keep telling yourself that Trump is going to somehow turn this around as he tweets out childish rants trashing Cruz's wife.
Does none of this embarrass you?
And, by the way, here are the Gallup numbers for August/September 1980 (Gallup took three polls those months):
Reagan 45% Carter 29% Anderson 14%
Reagan 38% Carter 39% Anderson 13%
Reagan 39% Carter 39% Anderson 14%
Carter led Reagan by 25 points in March of 1980. However, when John Anderson jumped into the race, Carter's lead was cut to 8 points. Carter never led Reagan in any Gallup poll after July 1 of 1980.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections
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There's been no opportunity yet for comparing and contrasting Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton in real time. That will occur in the general election campaign.
Once it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton standing side-by-side, there'll be no doubt in the minds of the electorate Hillary is a terrible candidate.
Unlikable and under a cloud of controversy over Benghazi, illegal email server, Clinton foundation pay-for-play, old scandals brought to the surface, two full-scale FBI investigations. Hillary is a walking disaster for the Democrats.
Trump will brand Hillary within seconds and beat her like a rented mule in November.
For all intents and purposes Hillary Clinton is the incumbent candidate:
(http://s23.postimg.org/sfj302anf/image.gif) (http://postimage.org/)
And Carter was at least likable, though perceived as incompetent.
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I find it funny that polls can either be relevant or irrelevant information depending on who is using them to make what point. I personally think Donald will beat Hillary in a general election match up.
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Numbers? Okay, numbers:
Delegate race (as of TODAY 3/24)
Trump 752
Cruz 463
Kasich 144
Trump is 289 ahead of Cruz with 893 delegates remaining
Trump needs 485 of 893
Cruz needs 774 of 893
Numbers.
Only one number matters: 1,237
All the rest is window dressing
One other number is relevant: 37%, which is about the most Donnie can get in the actual popular vote. The delegate numbers are skewed, sometimes badly, by the winner take all states.
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There's been no opportunity yet for comparing and contrasting Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton in real time. That will occur in the general election campaign.
Once it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton standing side-by-side, there'll be no doubt in the minds of the electorate Hillary is a terrible candidate.
Unlikable and under a cloud of controversy over Benghazi, illegal email server, Clinton foundation pay-for-play, old scandals brought to the surface, two full-scale FBI investigations. Hillary is a walking disaster for the Democrats.
Trump will brand Hillary within seconds and beat her like a rented mule in November.
For all intents and purposes Hillary Clinton is the incumbent candidate:
(http://s23.postimg.org/sfj302anf/image.gif) (http://postimage.org/)
And Carter was at least likable, though perceived as incompetent.
:bigsilly:
Hillary will wipe the floor with her BFF Donald Trump.
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I find it funny that polls can either be relevant or irrelevant information depending on who is using them to make what point. I personally think Donald will beat Hillary in a general election match up.
On what basis? Individual polls may be inaccurate, but multiple polls averaged across several periods tend to approach reasonable accuracy, and that average consistently has Trump losing to Clinton, and to Sanders even!
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I find it funny that polls can either be relevant or irrelevant information depending on who is using them to make what point. I personally think Donald will beat Hillary in a general election match up.
She's unlikable (that plays a big part in the general election campaign). She's not Bill Clinton circa 1998, and she's under two full scale FBI investigations on her questionable activities as Secretary of State.
She will go up in smoke. Except on TBR, where it appears she has many voters-in-waiting.
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There's been no opportunity yet for comparing and contrasting Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton in real time. That will occur in the general election campaign.
Once it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton standing side-by-side, there'll be no doubt in the minds of the electorate Hillary is a terrible candidate.
Unlikable and under a cloud of controversy over Benghazi, illegal email server, Clinton foundation pay-for-play, old scandals brought to the surface, two full-scale FBI investigations. Hillary is a walking disaster for the Democrats.
Trump will brand Hillary within seconds and beat her like a rented mule in November.
For all intents and purposes Hillary Clinton is the incumbent candidate:
(http://s23.postimg.org/sfj302anf/image.gif) (http://postimage.org/)
And Carter was at least likable, though perceived as incompetent.
That's funny, AC. You act as if everybody will be a blank slate the minute it's Trump vs. Clinton. The fact is, Trump is already branded in the eyes of the public and so is Clinton. His unfavorables are higher than hers and have been throughout, he is a known quantity, and polls indicate that over 50% of voters say they will never vote for Trump. That is not going to change.
Plus, alongside Hillary, Trump is going to look like the incompetent he is. She is a far better debater than he is, and he will have to answer substantive policy questions that he has, so far, shown no ability to master.
The minute he slams her looks (which is his pattern with women opponents), he's cooked. Cable and network channels will not be able, due to campaign rules, to let Trump simply call in and spout off whenever he wants. Equal time prevails in the general.
Large donors are already announcing they will not be supporting Trump with PAC ads; instead, they will pour their money into protecting down-ballot Republicans in congressional races. So, Trump will have to make do with taxpayer money funding his campaign, or dig into his own pocket, which he has been loathe to do so far.
Trump has a big hill to climb and his numbers are not improving, as Reagan's did. Spouting idiocies like withdrawing from NATO, reviving waterboarding, and forcing Israel to repay its foreign aid won't help.
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She's unlikable (that plays a big part in the general election campaign). She's not Bill Clinton circa 1998, and she's under two full scale FBI investigations on her questionable activities as Secretary of State.
She will go up in smoke. Except on TBR, where it appears she has many voters-in-waiting.
What do you think unfavorable numbers are, AC? Likability. And Trump consistently scores lower than Hillary in unfavorables.
She's bad, he's worse.
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She's unlikable (that plays a big part in the general election campaign). She's not Bill Clinton circa 1998, and she's under two full scale FBI investigations on her questionable activities as Secretary of State.
She will go up in smoke. Except on TBR, where it appears she has many voters-in-waiting.
You say you like facts. Ok. Prove, with quoted posts, not self-serving assertions, how many people here have affirmatively said they will vote for Hillary. No games; solid fact.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
N.A.T.O. is obsolete and must be changed to additionally focus on terrorism as well as some of the things it is currently focused on!
Don't you just love how specific Trump is? Is this his high school account?
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I find it funny that polls can either be relevant or irrelevant information depending on who is using them to make what point. I personally think Donald will beat Hillary in a general election match up.
You're ignoring more than half of the US population with that prediction. Women.
His incessant degrading and debasing of women is going to turn away all but the most devoted (to Trump) women.
Independent, Moderate, Conservative, Liberal.......... doesn't matter. Donald Trump treats women like dirt, and the vast majority of women don't like being treated like dirt.
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More @realDonaldTrump warning signs: in @CNN poll his unfavorables w/ all reg voters soar to 82% non-white, 79% college grads, 73% women
So, basically, Trump's supporters are mostly uneducated white men.
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On what basis? Individual polls may be inaccurate, but multiple polls averaged across several periods tend to approach reasonable accuracy, and that average consistently has Trump losing to Clinton, and to Sanders even!
Those poll numbers could easily change dramatically when everybody is over the primaries and it's time to contrast Hillary and Donald.
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Those poll numbers could easily change dramatically when everybody is over the primaries and it's time to contrast Hillary and Donald.
Exactly. Primaries are about ideology, purity, party bullshit. The general election is a different universe of concerns. Different audience, different concerns. Donald Trump will beat any Democrat in November, and especially Hillary Clinton.
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Exactly. Primaries are about ideology, purity, party bullshit. The general election is a different universe of concerns. Different audience, different concerns. Donald Trump will beat any Democrat in November, and especially Hillary Clinton.
Why? Because he's winning the intraparty ideology contest? Your own words belie the conclusion.
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The universe that occupies the middle of American politics, that area outside of political fora and beltway politics, is unconcerned about your purity tests or your candidate's detailed understanding of chapter and verse of the constitution.
They want proven, decisive, independent leaders - if not necessarily the perfect "conservative" candidate.
Unfortunately, Ted Cruz reeks of ambition – like first-term senator Barack Obama did. And by accepting a deal with the devil, by accepting establishment infrastructure, the donor money, the superPAC sleaze, the RNC/National Review cabal and the Bush and Romney people, etc, he lost any chance with me.
Ted Cruz is tainted. I'd be forced to vote for him in November, but that's about it.
Trust me, that's my learned opinion on the subject. Don't waste your time with me.
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There's been no opportunity yet for comparing and contrasting Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton in real time. That will occur in the general election campaign.
Once it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton standing side-by-side, there'll be no doubt in the minds of the electorate Hillary is a terrible candidate.
LOL! Trump is the opponent of her dreams. Maybe the ONLY one she can really beat. He is such a buffoon and spoiled child he will make even Bubbette! look thoughtful and considerate by comparison.
This is a 70 year old man who is still so insecure he gets on national television and talks about the size of his penis!
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Spouting idiocies like withdrawing from NATO, reviving waterboarding, and forcing Israel to repay its foreign aid won't help.
Trump is spot on when he says it's time to make Israel pay it's foreign aid debts. Not only that,but it's past time to cut off foreign aid for Israel,period. If they need or want something we have,they should have to buy it using their own damn money.
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Well, then it appears we disagree. Have a nice day! ^-^
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The universe that occupies the middle of American politics, that area outside of political fora and beltway politics, is unconcerned about your purity tests or your candidate's detailed understanding of chapter and verse of the constitution.
They want proven, decisive, independent leaders - if not necessarily the perfect "conservative" candidate.
Un,huh. And they proved that by voting for Bubba Bill twice,Boy Jorge Bush Twice,and Bathhouse Barry twice.
You might want to rethink your mantra.
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You're ignoring more than half of the US population with that prediction. Women.
His incessant degrading and debasing of women is going to turn away all but the most devoted (to Trump) women.
Independent, Moderate, Conservative, Liberal.......... doesn't matter. Donald Trump treats women like dirt, and the vast majority of women don't like being treated like dirt.
How many women in America think Trumps YOUNG, HOT & SMOKIN wife appearing in a nude layout in a magazine are gonna pull the one armed bandit for Trump in the ballot box. I can tell you right now that most American women do not and will not identify with his wife.
Bill Cipher wrote: "[size=78%]On what basis? Individual polls may be inaccurate, but multiple polls averaged across several periods tend to approach reasonable accuracy, and that average consistently has Trump losing to Clinton, and to Sanders even!"[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Reasonable accuracy....how about real accuracy. One of my Profs in college had us round off our checking account, check book entries to the nearest dollar for 2 [/size][size=78%]monthly[/size][size=78%] cycles. Then on a given day he asked us how close were were at the end of the month to our bank balance we pulled from the bank. You guessed it +/- $1 dollar. Then we did same for the next mo rounding off to the nearest .50 cents, then he asked for closeness to bank balance. WOW, almost all were within .10 cents and several of us where within a .01 (penny). Then what he told us was interesting. He said those that are within 1 penny had more checks written than those within .50 cents. The more cycles you go thru the more accurate it becomes. Well that was back in college and for all of my adult life that I [/size][size=78%]primarily[/size][size=78%] wrote checks. Tough to beat the laws of averages over time and cycles.[/size][size=78%]
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How many women in America think Trumps YOUNG, HOT & SMOKIN wife appearing in a nude layout in a magazine are gonna pull the one armed bandit for Trump in the ballot box. I can tell you right now that most American women do not and will not identify with his wife.
What I am wondering is if there is anybody that believes he is still "hitting that".
He's fat and 70 years old,so I am thinking his hot young wife is about as useful to him as a mountain bike would be to a legless man.
Other than as a stage prop,that is.
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What I am wondering is if there is anybody that believes he is still "hitting that".
He's fat and 70 years old,so I am thinking his hot young wife is about as useful to him as a mountain bike would be to a legless man.
Other than as a stage prop,that is.
She is there for the ticket. No matter what comes out of it she is taken care of unless she tries to be greedy. She is def arm candy and few women like to see that..
I am not sure that Trump can bring home the prize, the more research I do the worse it looks and I keep going back the total vote count Trump vs Hildabeast. She has pulled in over a million votes more than he has, a fact the rose colored glasses set chooses to ignore. In fact I am afraid that if Trump does get the nom many folks will not vote for him and if he does not get it his base which has a LOT of center left Dems will go BACK to Hillery and if they do, we lose again.
Bottom line I give the GOP something less than a 50/50 chance to winning the crown.