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Title: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 13, 2019, 03:52:11 am
ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
5:30 PM 03/12/2019 | US
Jason Hopkins | Energy Investigator

The National ICE Council, which endorsed Trump in 2016, sent the president a blistering letter, complaining of catch-and-release procedures and political showmanship in Washington, D.C.
Catch-and-release is forcing ICE officers to devote long hours to mundane tasks, keeping them from performing their usual duties of catching illegal aliens and dangerous criminals.
While Democrats have called to defund and abolish ICE, the president has made efforts to curb catch-and-release and other channels foreign national abuse to enter the country.
The National ICE Council issued a scathing letter to President Donald Trump regarding the continuation of “wasteful and dangerous” immigration policies at the U.S.-Mexico border.
“We regretfully write to inform you that in the middle of an immigration crisis on the southern border, you Administration is squandering scarce ICE resources and playing political games with our officers,” the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council wrote in a letter sent to Trump on Monday. “To be direct Mr. President — the rhetoric doesn’t match reality and we hope that this letter shows you the complete and total nonsense that is really taking place under the Trump Administration on the southern border.”

https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/03/12/ice-union-catch-release/ (https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/03/12/ice-union-catch-release/)
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2019, 11:12:37 am
Here's a detailed letter from border patrol to the President reinforcing the emergency and slamming catch and release. Is that a whiff of collusion in the air?     :pondering:

It will be interesting to see how the media and NTs react to this.  Will they realize before they start talking that they can't rip the President for this letter or support ICE for sending it without also reinforcing the state of emergency and calls to end catch and release? 

We sure do live in interesting times.   :smokin:

Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2019, 02:01:23 pm
Catch and release is a stunt that doesn’t need to be implemented after the Jennings v Rodriguez decision by SCOTUS, last February. Fast track the hearings, then deport the unqualified.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 13, 2019, 02:14:31 pm
Catch and release is a stunt that doesn’t need to be implemented after the Jennings v Rodriguez decision by SCOTUS, last February. Fast track the hearings, then deport the unqualified.

This letter to the President shows absolute frustration of the failure to stop catch and release.  The numbers coming across the border are invasion level.  And to top it off I posted an article that showed some border patrol are opening gates and letting illegals in when they are still on the Mexican side of the border.  I guess they are practicing the big beautiful door of Trump policy.  It is two agencies working against each other.  That is the way America operates, and lawlessness is "winning".
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2019, 04:52:12 pm
Here's a detailed letter from border patrol to the President reinforcing the emergency and slamming catch and release. Is that a whiff of collusion in the air?     :pondering:

It will be interesting to see how the media and NTs react to this.  Will they realize before they start talking that they can't rip the President for this letter or support ICE for sending it without also reinforcing the state of emergency and calls to end catch and release? 

We sure do live in interesting times.   :smokin:

The "catch and release" practice IS what is IMMORAL!     888mouth
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: XenaLee on March 13, 2019, 04:57:51 pm
This letter to the President shows absolute frustration of the failure to stop catch and release.  The numbers coming across the border are invasion level.  And to top it off I posted an article that showed some border patrol are opening gates and letting illegals in when they are still on the Mexican side of the border.  I guess they are practicing the big beautiful door of Trump policy.  It is two agencies working against each other. That is the way America operates, and lawlessness is "winning".

I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: skeeter on March 13, 2019, 05:04:44 pm
What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

He's probably afraid of 15 squishy republican senators, 'cause thats all that will be standing between him and being ejected from office and being prosecuted as a private citizen for the remainder of his life.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2019, 05:07:16 pm
I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

In looking at what all has happened under his watch, I don't think his intent is to close the border, nor build a wall.  I've said it a couple of times, my hunch is his way to resolve this issue is going to be granting amnesty by joining Mexico, the U.S.A. and Canada. No longer have to worry about an invasion.  The DEMS will no longer have the increase in votes as they had hoped as he gains the votes. In addition, and I believe one of the reasons he ran for president, is the North American Union is going to make him and his cronies extremely wealthy.  It may very well boost the economy, etc., but we will lose our sovereignty as a result.  I have always said that Trump will strengthen the economy; we just may not like how he does it.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: XenaLee on March 13, 2019, 05:08:07 pm
He's probably afraid of 15 squishy republican senators, 'cause thats all that will be standing between him and being ejected from office and being prosecuted as a private citizen for the remainder of his life.

Well, if that's gonna happen.... it's gonna happen ANYway.  Right?  Might as well go out with a bang...lol.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: XenaLee on March 13, 2019, 05:12:02 pm
In looking at what all has happened under his watch, I don't think his intent is to close the border, nor build a wall.  I've said it a couple of times, my hunch is his way to resolve this issue is going to be granting amnesty by joining Mexico, the U.S.A. and Canada. No longer have to worry about an invasion.  The DEMS will no longer have the increase in votes as they had hoped as he gains the votes. In addition, and I believe one of the reasons he ran for president, is the North American Union is going to make him and his cronies extremely wealthy.  It may very well boost the economy, etc., but we will lose our sovereignty as a result.  I have always said that Trump will strengthen the economy; we just may not like how he does it.

Has he said anything that gives the indication that that is what he is "for"?  If so, I haven't seen it.
So what makes you think so?
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 13, 2019, 06:32:58 pm
I heard a report on the local radio station in Houston this morning.
Our border with Canada is also having in increase in illegal entry.
People are coming over with children from the north now (who may or may not be their own).
They claim the magic word "asylum" and they are detained for only 20 days max.
They have a hearing, and are told to come back to court on date such and such.
Not unlike what is happening on our southern border, less than 1/2 come back to court.
People who can gain access into Canada find it easier to cross from their into the U.S.
Why? Less attention is being paid to it.
Those coming in from the north have learned about the "catch and release" system, especially when it comes to "families".
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2019, 09:05:55 pm
Has he said anything that gives the indication that that is what he is "for"?  If so, I haven't seen it.
So what makes you think so?

No.  Not at all.  For what it's worth just a hunch and a gut feeling since he appointed his pal Giuliani as his advisor/lawyer. It's been quite awhile but the Giuliani connection to the NAU  was through Bracewell & Giuliani, a law firm he joined as senior partner in 2005. Bracewel represents (represented) Citgo, the oil company controlled by Venezuela’s anti-American and terrorist-supporting ruler Hugo Chavez.  Further, the law firm was involved in plans (toll roads) for the Trans Texas Corridor -- part of the plan for the NAU at that time. Giuliani has since left the firm and of course recently joined with Trump.

https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/ (https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/)
https://www.newsweek.com/highway-hell-94645 (https://www.newsweek.com/highway-hell-94645)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_LLP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_LLP)

 
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: XenaLee on March 13, 2019, 10:21:16 pm
No.  Not at all.  For what it's worth just a hunch and a gut feeling since he appointed his pal Giuliani as his advisor/lawyer. It's been quite awhile but the Giuliani connection to the NAU  was through Bracewell & Giuliani, a law firm he joined as senior partner in 2005. Bracewel represents (represented) Citgo, the oil company controlled by Venezuela’s anti-American and terrorist-supporting ruler Hugo Chavez.  Further, the law firm was involved in plans (toll roads) for the Trans Texas Corridor -- part of the plan for the NAU at that time. Giuliani has since left the firm and of course recently joined with Trump.

https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/ (https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/)
https://www.newsweek.com/highway-hell-94645 (https://www.newsweek.com/highway-hell-94645)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_LLP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_LLP)

 

I tend towards giving him the benefit of the doubt.... unless or until I 'know' something he is doing or has done that is antithetical to my conservative beliefs.   He has enough problems without being nailed for 'thought crimes' that he may or may not even be thinking.  JS....
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2019, 10:24:42 pm
Let me guess...without reading the article.

Unnamed sources, correct?
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2019, 11:00:23 pm
Let me guess...without reading the article.

Unnamed sources, correct?


No, the letter was from the ICE union officials.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: DCPatriot on March 13, 2019, 11:26:28 pm

No, the letter was from the ICE union officials.

Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: skeeter on March 13, 2019, 11:29:23 pm
Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)

Hey thats critical thinking - no fair.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: edpc on March 13, 2019, 11:45:11 pm
Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)


I understand you're loathe to read the article, but just try the first sentence. It's the same group that endorsed Trump in the 2016 campaign.  Besides, they're a government union, associated with AGFE, not SEIU.

http://iceunion.org/about (http://iceunion.org/about)
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 14, 2019, 01:12:16 am
Hey thats critical thinking - no fair.
Quote
The complaints also indicate crumbling support from a union that notably stood behind Trump during the last presidential campaign. In what was a first in the union’s history, the National ICE Council gave a presidential endorsement, announcing its support for Trump during the run up to the 2016 presidential election.

It's all part of the Deep State's plans to undercut the President when he is succeeding so great. /sarc
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 14, 2019, 01:13:07 am
He's probably afraid of 15 squishy republican senators, 'cause thats all that will be standing between him and being ejected from office and being prosecuted as a private citizen for the remainder of his life.
This I agree with.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2019, 04:08:30 am
Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)

Its easy to play that card, but illegal immigration and catch and release are at levels that they have never been before and increasing.  Go ahead and try to deter the attention but they are calling Trump out because he is playing politics with border security.  They expected action from Trump and we have yet to see it.  Just disappointment to disappointment. 
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: skeeter on March 14, 2019, 02:05:46 pm
This I agree with.

The difference being the thought doesn't fill me with delight.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2019, 02:32:37 pm
It would be extremely frustrating for ICE to be rounding up illegal aliens when Border Patrol is ushering them in from the Mexican side of the fence.  What people want to ignore also but has been known for several years is that some Border Patrol have been corrupted.  I also posted on that quite awhile ago.  It was brought up in Congress several years ago.  We all want to have visions of the hero's at the border.  But just like many police officers are corrupted so are Border Patrol.  In these days where Opium addiction is at a unprecedented level.  When Mexican Drug Cartel are active in all our major cities this problem must be addressed.  The corruption must be rooted out or our government will become just like Mexican.  Bought and paid for by Mexican Drug trade.

Its the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: bilo on March 14, 2019, 04:06:30 pm
I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

I suspect that there are enough open borders Pub Senators that the threat of impeachment, or everything else coming to a halt has held Trump back. Also, shutting down our border with Mexico who be a big negative to our economy.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2019, 04:25:13 pm
I suspect that there are enough open borders Pub Senators that the threat of impeachment, or everything else coming to a halt has held Trump back. Also, shutting down our border with Mexico who be a big negative to our economy.

Which is the bigger negative?   Shutting down the border so that unvetted invaders, criminals, gang members, and some possibly even future terrorists, cannot enter and create mayhem?  Or ...not doing what has become necessary due to the deliberate orchestration by our enemies without AND within ...to protect the legal citizens of America.   You already know where my vote lands.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: skeeter on March 14, 2019, 04:39:05 pm
Which is the bigger negative?   Shutting down the border so that unvetted invaders, criminals, gang members, and some possibly even future terrorists, cannot enter and create mayhem?  Or ...not doing what has become necessary due to the deliberate orchestration by our enemies without AND within ...to protect the legal citizens of America.   You already know where my vote lands.

Protecting American citizens is no. 326 on the Chamber of Commerce list of priorities.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: XenaLee on March 14, 2019, 04:55:01 pm
Protecting American citizens is no. 326 on the Chamber of Commerce list of priorities.

Right.  And thwarting da orange dude is probably numero uno on that list.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: bilo on March 14, 2019, 07:13:48 pm
Which is the bigger negative?   Shutting down the border so that unvetted invaders, criminals, gang members, and some possibly even future terrorists, cannot enter and create mayhem?  Or ...not doing what has become necessary due to the deliberate orchestration by our enemies without AND within ...to protect the legal citizens of America.   You already know where my vote lands.

If policy was strictly governed by doing the right thing the border would have been closed a long time ago. I'm sure we both recognize that economic interests play a strong role in what politicians will support and won't support.

 
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2019, 01:19:21 am
The difference being the thought doesn't fill me with delight.
Delight is the wrong word.  It's more akin to the satisfaction I feel when any despicable criminal is served a heaping spoonful of justice.
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 17, 2019, 12:52:40 am
I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

Trump signed away his right to secure the border.  El Paso is one of the cities that rejects the wall.  As written in the bill he signed he gave them the right to reject it.  But they are a huge illegal crossing area.

As El Paso region sees surge in migrant crossings, nonprofit groups' support services feel the strain
The surge of migrants illegally crossing into Texas has continued as the Trump administration has tried to crack down on asylum-seekers.
by Julián Aguilar Feb. 28, 201912 AM

SUNLAND PARK, N.M. — The statue of Mount Cristo Rey standing over this small border community is the site of an annual pilgrimage near the Texas-New Mexico state lines, where tens of thousands gather each October to celebrate their Catholic faith and honor the sacrifices it demands.
This month, however, the site bore witness to a different type of mission, one that immigrant rights groups say is borne out of necessity and desperation.
On Feb. 11, U.S. Border Patrol agents in the El Paso sector apprehended 311 undocumented migrants near the site of the famed statue. That same day, more than 330 people were apprehended in Antelope Wells, New Mexico. And on Tuesday, Border Patrol agents came across 180 migrants in Sunland Park, adding to the number of large groups that sector agents have encountered this fiscal year, when such figures are tallied.
Through Wednesday, Border Patrol agents in the El Paso sector have encountered at least 29 groups of migrants of 100 or more people.............

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/28/el-paso-sector-migrants-crossings-catholic-support/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/28/el-paso-sector-migrants-crossings-catholic-support/)
Title: Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
Post by: skeeter on March 17, 2019, 01:12:07 am
Delight is the wrong word.  It's more akin to the satisfaction I feel when any despicable criminal is served a heaping spoonful of justice.

So would ‘aroused’ would be more appropriate?