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Title: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: corbe on July 26, 2020, 01:42:59 pm
One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin

Police have detained a suspect after the incident.

Author: KVUE staff
Published: 10:17 PM CDT July 25, 2020
Updated: 12:33 AM CDT July 26, 2020


AUSTIN, Texas — One person is dead and a suspect has been detained after a shooting at a Black Lives Matter protest in Downtown Austin on Saturday night.

The incident happened around 9:52 p.m. near East Sixth Street and Congress Avenue, according to Austin-Travis County EMS. One victim was taken to a local trauma center with critical, life-threatening injuries, ATCEMS said.

Police later said the incident was a homicide.

In an update early Sunday morning, police said initial reports indicate the victim, an adult man, was carrying a rifle when he approached the suspect's vehicle. The suspect then shot out of their car at the victim, police said.

The suspect was detained and is cooperating with officers.

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https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/downtown-austin-shooting-congress-sixth-street/269-9cd396c1-169c-45be-9529-c1e4662f838e (https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/downtown-austin-shooting-congress-sixth-street/269-9cd396c1-169c-45be-9529-c1e4662f838e)
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: corbe on July 26, 2020, 01:45:50 pm
(https://bigleaguepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/RifleProtestor-1200x630.jpg)

   dead man and his widow.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Elderberry on July 26, 2020, 01:54:39 pm
Statesman by Katie Hall and Danny Davis 7/25/2020

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200725/man-shot-to-death-during-downtown-austin-protest (https://www.statesman.com/news/20200725/man-shot-to-death-during-downtown-austin-protest)

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A man was killed in downtown Austin Saturday night in the midst of a protest against police violence, and police said they have taken the shooter into custody.

The shooting happened about 9:50 p.m. at Fourth Street and Congress Avenue, EMS officials said. Austin police said the male victim was carrying a weapon when he approached a vehicle. The person in the vehicle then shot the man.

According to a witness, the incident began when the driver on Fourth Street honked, turned right and sped down Congress, driving through the crowd. He appeared to hit an orange barrier in the road and came to a stop, said Michael Capochiano, who attended the protest.

“There were people around the car, yelling, and people sounding like they were frightened,” Capochiano said.

A protester with a rifle approached the car, and the driver pointed his gun outside the window, Capochiano said. The driver fired several shots, then sped away, he said.

More at link.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Idiot on July 26, 2020, 05:15:34 pm
I read conflicting stories on this.  One report had the rioter carrying an AK-47 and shooting at the guy in the car, then the guy fired back killing the rioter.  Another report has the rioter threatening the guy in the car and the guy shot the rioter. 

Anyway, stupid to be carrying an AK-47 in a provocative way like that.  I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 26, 2020, 11:50:48 pm
If the protesters wish to protest, they need to expect people will get hurt.

Why otherwise did the dead guy need to bring a gun along?
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 26, 2020, 11:57:19 pm
Info is kind of sparse, but it sounds like a protester moron either got taken out by another protester or by an ordinary person going about their business.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: corbe on July 27, 2020, 12:02:09 am
   I've heard, unverifiable, that the white dude was shot by a Black Woman, so we probably won't hear anything else about this.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 27, 2020, 12:17:17 am
If the protesters wish to protest, they need to expect people will get hurt.

Why otherwise did the dead guy need to bring a gun along?

I agree. They are all, USEFUL IDIOTS.  "Playing cops & robbers".  ANTFA ARE ALL ANTI-AMERICAN.  PAID BY SOROS.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 31, 2020, 09:11:29 pm
An update:

Army sergeant working as ride-hailing driver shot protester Garrett Foster in self-defense, his lawyer says

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200731/army-sergeant-working-as-ride-hailing-driver-shot-protester-garrett-foster-in-self-defense-his-lawyer-says?fbclid=IwAR1m6D8BQ-9Tk4vRinSqA5vurdqo74TX64UQrj5Q_bs_D_LuNKo8w_Lbw2U (https://www.statesman.com/news/20200731/army-sergeant-working-as-ride-hailing-driver-shot-protester-garrett-foster-in-self-defense-his-lawyer-says?fbclid=IwAR1m6D8BQ-9Tk4vRinSqA5vurdqo74TX64UQrj5Q_bs_D_LuNKo8w_Lbw2U)

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Perry, 33, was driving for a ride-hailing company on July 25 to earn extra money, a statement from the law firm Broden & Mickelsen says. Perry is being represented by Clint Broden.

Austin police have not announced any arrests in relation to the shooting. Broden said he was identifying his client because “there were some false narratives being advanced and we believed it was time all the facts were known.”
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Perry had dropped off a ride-hailing fare near Congress Avenue the night of the protest and drove toward a “hot spot” to wait for another client or food order. He turned right onto Congress Avenue near Fourth Street, Broden’s statement says.

When Perry turned on to Congress Avenue, he encountered the protest and several people began hitting his vehicle. The statement says Perry did not know a protest was happening that night.

Perry at first thought Foster was a law enforcement official when he approached the vehicle and motioned with an assault rifle for Perry to lower his window, the statement says. Perry realized after rolling down his window that Foster was not a member of law enforcement.

The statement says Foster began to raise his rifle at Perry. Witnesses have told the American-Statesman that Foster had his weapon pointed down.

Perry shot at Foster with a handgun he kept in his vehicle for protection, the statement says.

A third person then shot at the vehicle. Perry left the area and called police, the statement says.

Further commentary:

Army Sergeant Identified as Driver in Austin Protest Shooting; Lawyer Says He Shot in Self-Defense

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/31/army-sergeant-identified-as-driver-in-austin-protest-shooting-lawyer-says-he-shot-in-self-defense-n737029 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/31/army-sergeant-identified-as-driver-in-austin-protest-shooting-lawyer-says-he-shot-in-self-defense-n737029)

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The fact that the protest was not permitted will be key to Perry’s defense, should he face charges. Protests such as the one that took place on July 25 are not permitted and their routes are not published. Residents and visitors have no reliable way of knowing when or where protests will occur or how large the crowds may be. The protest on July 25 was taking place just before 10 p.m. on a Saturday night in the entertainment district of downtown Austin. Anyone encountering a crowd has little means of identifying who is in the crowd or what their intentions may be. Protests have repeatedly become violent without warning, in Austin and many other cities, in the past two months.
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Video recorded by the dashcam of another car just prior to the shooting indicates the crowd stopped and surrounded his car, refusing to allow him to pass. The crowd had no legal right to stop him from driving on a public street. He honked the car horn, which speaks to his intent. Had he intended to harm anyone, he was driving a car that he could have used to strike members of the crowd.

The crowd reportedly began striking his car, and protester Garrett Foster approached with his AK-47 and motioned Perry to roll down his window with his rifle — which may mean he pointed the rifle at Perry in making that motion. Openly carrying a rifle is legal in Texas, but Foster had no legal right to demand Perry take any action.

Firearms training, including that which Foster would have received during his brief military career, instructs carriers to never point their weapon at another individual unless intending to shoot.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2020, 04:56:49 am
   I've heard, unverifiable, that the white dude was shot by a Black Woman, so we probably won't hear anything else about this.

@corbe

Not true.She will end up being on Oprah,and announce she is suing the government for stress. Orca will tell her how strong she is and that she is a hero to little black girls everywhere,and she might even end up being elected to national office.

After all,Black Lives Matter,not white lives.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: corbe on August 01, 2020, 04:59:22 am
   I think it was a White active duty Army Sargent, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2020, 06:53:11 am
One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin

Police have detained a suspect after the incident.

Author: KVUE staff
Published: 10:17 PM CDT July 25, 2020
Updated: 12:33 AM CDT July 26, 2020


AUSTIN, Texas — One person is dead and a suspect has been detained after a shooting at a Black Lives Matter protest in Downtown Austin on Saturday night.

The incident happened around 9:52 p.m. near East Sixth Street and Congress Avenue, according to Austin-Travis County EMS. One victim was taken to a local trauma center with critical, life-threatening injuries, ATCEMS said.

Police later said the incident was a homicide.
 

@corbe

Someone correct me if I am wrong,but aren't all purposeful deaths homicides by definition?
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2020, 06:56:33 am
If the protesters wish to protest, they need to expect people will get hurt.

Why otherwise did the dead guy need to bring a gun along?

@IsailedawayfromFR

It's fashionable to dress up as SWAT officers these days.

That's the problem with open carry in public. Sooner or later,somebody is going to try to force you to use it. Better to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense in a city than a rifle because you are less likely to need to use it.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: bigheadfred on August 01, 2020, 07:10:17 am
@IsailedawayfromFR

It's fashionable to dress up as SWAT officers these days.

That's the problem with open carry in public. Sooner or later,somebody is going to try to force you to use it. Better to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense in a city than a rifle because you are less likely to need to use it.

Best self defense is to stay way from citites.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2020, 07:43:19 am
Best self defense is to stay way from citites.

@bigheadfred

True,but some people aren't so fortunate as to have that for an option.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on August 01, 2020, 12:14:21 pm
@bigheadfred

True,but some people aren't so fortunate as to have that for an option.
Those types are becoming less and less each day.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: corbe on August 01, 2020, 02:34:25 pm
U.S. Army sergeant who shot Austin protester Garrett Foster posted tweets about retaliating against demonstrators

Daniel Perry has come forward as the shooter of Garrett Foster, a 28-year-old armed demonstrator who was killed while protesting police brutality in Austin last Saturday.

BY JOLIE MCCULLOUGH AND MEENA VENKATARAMANAN JULY 31, 2020

The man suspected of killing anti-police brutality protester Garrett Foster in Austin on Saturday has been identified as an active U.S. Army sergeant named Daniel Perry.

Perry’s lawyer also confirmed to The Texas Tribune late Friday that his client wrote tweets that have strengthened activists’ concerns about the shooter’s frame of mind, the validity of his self-defense claim and Austin police officials’ handling of the investigation.

People across the state and the country have taken to the streets for months to protest the in-custody death of George Floyd. Floyd, a Black man, died after a white Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck past the point when he lost consciousness in late May.

In June, when President Donald Trump tweeted that “protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes” protesting in Oklahoma would face “a much different scene” than protesters in New York or Minneapolis, Perry responded from a now-deleted account with the username “@knivesfromtrigu.” The tweet read, “Send them to Texas we will show them why we say don’t mess with Texas.” That account was identified as being connected to Perry by Tribune of the People, which bills itself as a “revolutionary news service.”

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https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/)
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Idiot on August 01, 2020, 03:12:44 pm
U.S. Army sergeant who shot Austin protester Garrett Foster posted tweets about retaliating against demonstrators

Daniel Perry has come forward as the shooter of Garrett Foster, a 28-year-old armed demonstrator who was killed while protesting police brutality in Austin last Saturday.

BY JOLIE MCCULLOUGH AND MEENA VENKATARAMANAN JULY 31, 2020

The man suspected of killing anti-police brutality protester Garrett Foster in Austin on Saturday has been identified as an active U.S. Army sergeant named Daniel Perry.

Perry’s lawyer also confirmed to The Texas Tribune late Friday that his client wrote tweets that have strengthened activists’ concerns about the shooter’s frame of mind, the validity of his self-defense claim and Austin police officials’ handling of the investigation.

People across the state and the country have taken to the streets for months to protest the in-custody death of George Floyd. Floyd, a Black man, died after a white Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck past the point when he lost consciousness in late May.

In June, when President Donald Trump tweeted that “protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes” protesting in Oklahoma would face “a much different scene” than protesters in New York or Minneapolis, Perry responded from a now-deleted account with the username “@knivesfromtrigu.” The tweet read, “Send them to Texas we will show them why we say don’t mess with Texas.” That account was identified as being connected to Perry by Tribune of the People, which bills itself as a “revolutionary news service.”

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https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/31/daniel-perry-austin-protest-garrett-foster/)
Uh oh....he's white and is likely a Trump supporter.  GUILTY!!!!!!  /S
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2020, 03:15:25 pm
Those types are becoming less and less each day.

Good riddance.

@IsailedawayfromFR

"Good riddance" to honest citizens,who for one reason or another cannot afford to move out of a city to the suburbs or a smaller town?????

WTF?????

You may want to restate that.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 01, 2020, 03:19:09 pm
Uh oh....he's white and is likely a Trump supporter.  GUILTY!!!!!!  /S

@mrpotatohead

I dunno if he is white or looks like a checkerboard,but I seriously doubt many Trump supporters subscribe to a  “revolutionary news service.”
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on August 02, 2020, 01:58:02 am
@IsailedawayfromFR

"Good riddance" to honest citizens,who for one reason or another cannot afford to move out of a city to the suburbs or a smaller town?????

WTF?????

You may want to restate that.
One cannot afford to stay, either.

This is not about money.  It is about safety and freedom.

Better read the tealeaves.

Places like San Francisco or Seattle do not care about 'honest' citizens.

Those kind of people get trampled on by those in power, so can people really 'afford' to stick around?
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on August 15, 2020, 12:20:35 pm
And this is another reason why one cannot afford to stay. @sneakypete

Black Lives Matter crowd demands Seattle homeowners 'give up' property: 'We coming for it'
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,411318.msg2267936.html#msg2267936 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,411318.msg2267936.html#msg2267936)
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: catfish1957 on August 15, 2020, 12:46:37 pm
Last time I visited 6th street at night, and in curiosity, was about 1980.  Even then, with all the crazys I didn't feel 100% safe.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: catfish1957 on August 15, 2020, 12:56:43 pm
An update:

Army sergeant working as ride-hailing driver shot protester Garrett Foster in self-defense, his lawyer says

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200731/army-sergeant-working-as-ride-hailing-driver-shot-protester-garrett-foster-in-self-defense-his-lawyer-says?fbclid=IwAR1m6D8BQ-9Tk4vRinSqA5vurdqo74TX64UQrj5Q_bs_D_LuNKo8w_Lbw2U (https://www.statesman.com/news/20200731/army-sergeant-working-as-ride-hailing-driver-shot-protester-garrett-foster-in-self-defense-his-lawyer-says?fbclid=IwAR1m6D8BQ-9Tk4vRinSqA5vurdqo74TX64UQrj5Q_bs_D_LuNKo8w_Lbw2U)

Further commentary:

Army Sergeant Identified as Driver in Austin Protest Shooting; Lawyer Says He Shot in Self-Defense

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/31/army-sergeant-identified-as-driver-in-austin-protest-shooting-lawyer-says-he-shot-in-self-defense-n737029 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/07/31/army-sergeant-identified-as-driver-in-austin-protest-shooting-lawyer-says-he-shot-in-self-defense-n737029)

A case of justifiable homicide if I haver ever seen one.  Now the obvious, make sure this thing isn't tried in Travis County.

Opps, just remembered this will be UCMJ case, if Sgt. was indeed on active duty.  Any vets here want to speculate on how military court will rule?  Or will this be now another rallying cry for the BLM / Antifa thugs to include the miltary as their topic for defunding.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 15, 2020, 01:13:53 pm
So what is the status of this, is this guy charged or what? I certainly hope not.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 15, 2020, 01:29:17 pm
And this is another reason why one cannot afford to stay. @sneakypete

Black Lives Matter crowd demands Seattle homeowners 'give up' property: 'We coming for it'
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,411318.msg2267936.html#msg2267936 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,411318.msg2267936.html#msg2267936)

@IsailedawayfromFR

I would definitely get the hell out of there if I had a family with minor children. Would probably already be gone by now.

Howsumever,I don't have any children,so if I lived there,I would be waiting for the party to start with joy in my heart.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 15, 2020, 01:36:48 pm
A case of justifiable homicide if I haver ever seen one.  Now the obvious, make sure this thing isn't tried in Travis County.

Opps, just remembered this will be UCMJ case, if Sgt. was indeed on active duty. Any vets here want to speculate on how military court will rule? Or will this be now another rallying cry for the BLM / Antifa thugs to include the miltary as their topic for defunding.

@catfish1957

All depends on the base commander. He,or she,is almost certainly a "ring knocker" and will confer with the Pentagram to make sure they don't upset anyone and harm their after-retirement employment opportunities.

If it is someone fed up with the corruption,ready to retire,and doesn't give a squat about "Career 2",he's going to walk,with probably a fine for working a side job if he didn't have command permission. That way the army can say they have punished the wrongdoer,and the case is closed.

I confess to maybe being a little cynical about people who wear stars. I have seen a couple of seriously good "good guys" get corrupted by the system after getting a star or two,and turn into real shitheads.

After all,if genuine "good guys" can become dipshits after putting on a couple of stars,how do you think the "family connected prim a-donnas"were from Day One?

NO enlisted swine can be allowed to derail the career advancement of a prince,now,can they?
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on August 15, 2020, 01:52:37 pm
Last time I visited 6th street at night, and in curiosity, was about 1980.  Even then, with all the crazys I didn't feel 100% safe.
It was a lot different place during that time.

Now it is more like a party street in New Orleans.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on August 15, 2020, 02:01:36 pm
It was a lot different place during that time.

Now it is more like a party street in New Orleans.

@IsailedawayfromFR

I don't know this from personal experience,but from what I have been told,having the New Orleans cops catch you interrupting the atmosphere on a NO "party street" is a good way to get your head thumped. They are there to protect the party as much as they are anything else.

Totally different kind of "party atmosphere" in Portland,and from what I have heard,there doesn't seem to be many police out on the streets there doing anything but protecting themselves.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: mountaineer on July 02, 2021, 01:33:05 pm
So what is the status of this, is this guy charged or what? I certainly hope not.
UPDATE

Fort Hood sergeant indicted for murder in 2020 death of Austin protester
First Cavalry Division Sgt. Daniel Perry was released after posting a $300,000 bond.
By Staff
Published: Jul. 1, 2021 at 4:47 PM UTC|Updated: 14 hours ago

AUSTIN, Texas (KWTX) - First Cavalry Division Sgt. Daniel Perry, who shot and killed a protester at a Black Lives Matter protest in June 2020, in Austin, was released after a posting a $300,000 bond following his indictment Thursday in Travis County for murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

“Sgt. Perry will vigorously fight all of these charges,” Perry’s attorney, Clint Broden of Dallas, said after the indictment was handed up Thursday.

Garrett Foster, 28, was shot to death shortly before 10 p.m. July 25, 2020, at the corner of Congress Avenue and 4th Street in Austin after Perry, who was working as an Uber driver to earn extra money, turned from 4th Street onto Congress and encountered the protesters. ...  KWTX (https://www.kwtx.com/2021/07/01/fort-hood-sergeant-indicted-murder-2020-death-austin-protester/?fbclid=IwAR07_6Y_eSsTcuWKjFgC9YAhII8J0z9l9h3DzTDay2VUZO5Rha7rJJ2vXy4)
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Wingnut on July 02, 2021, 01:39:48 pm
A feckless communist Austin DA is champing at the bit to go to trail and convict this "white supremacist".
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 02, 2021, 01:48:14 pm
If he's convicted I hope he's pardoned.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: mystery-ak on July 02, 2021, 04:34:36 pm
Soldier Charged With Murder After Shooting Armed BLM Protester
By Bonchie | Jul 02, 2021 12:00 PM ET

Sgt. Daniel Perry, a soldier in the US Army, has been charged with murder after killing a BLM protester last summer. This happened during the months of violence and destruction that occurred last year following George Floyd’s death. Cities across the nation were inundated with demonstrations, many of which devolved into rioting.

Perry was making extra money by driving for a ride-sharing service at the time. After dropping off a fare, he turned onto a street that was being blocked by what was ostensibly a protest. When he attempted to make his way through, people surrounded his car, beating on it. That’s when Garrett Foster approached him with an AK-variant rifle, pointed it at him, and demanded the window be rolled down. At that point, Perry feared for his life and discharged his firearm in what he felt was self-defense.

There is video that shows the scene, confirming that the car was, in fact, mobbed.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287254021598674945

Because this is Austin, TX we are dealing with, Perry has now been charged with murder, indicted by a grand jury seated by a rabidly political district attorney.

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1410806211109437441

more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/07/02/soldier-charged-with-murder-after-shooting-armed-blm-protester-n405784
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 02, 2021, 07:28:42 pm
This is why pardons exist.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: catfish1957 on July 02, 2021, 07:36:05 pm
Murder Charge?  He deserves a medal.....
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: mountaineer on July 02, 2021, 09:17:08 pm
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That’s when Garrett Foster approached him with an AK-variant rifle, pointed it at him, and demanded the window be rolled down. At that point, Perry feared for his life and discharged his firearm in what he felt was self-defense.
Pretty much a textbook definition of a justified shooting.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Wingnut on July 02, 2021, 09:20:13 pm
Pretty much a textbook definition of a justified shooting.

In every place in Texas accept Travis and Harris counties.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on July 02, 2021, 09:55:31 pm
Pretty much a textbook definition of a justified shooting.

@mountaineer

Just ain't true. Non-blacks are NOT allowed to shoot or otherwise harm their black masters.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Fishrrman on July 02, 2021, 09:56:02 pm
Does Texas governor Abbott have the power to pardon Mr. Perry RIGHT NOW, before a trial?

Because that's what he should do.

Some (even in this forum) will say, "the wheels of justice must turn first".
To which I reply, "nonsense".

The "wheels of justice" began turning when Garrett Foster raised his rifle towards Mr. Perry that night.
Those same wheels STOPPED turning when Mr. Perry raised HIS gun and fired in self-defense.

So there...!
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: catfish1957 on July 02, 2021, 10:09:32 pm
Pretty much a textbook definition of a justified shooting.

I am 99% sure our stand your ground statutes applies to your vehicle when an assailant is pointing another fire arm at you and is in forward motion toward you   How there is even an indictment is utter bull shit.  This guy is a hero for ridding society of a BLM terrorist.  Not a criminal.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: mountaineer on July 02, 2021, 10:20:31 pm
I am 99% sure our stand your ground statutes applies to your vehicle when an assailant is pointing another fire arm at you and is in forward motion toward you   How there is even an indictment is utter bull shit.  This guy is a hero for ridding society of a BLM terrorist.  Not a criminal.
Mr. M and I are members of our church security team. We've received training, but our instructor cautioned us that even in the most obviously justifiable shooting, there's still a likelihood of being arrested (even if charges are later dropped). In fact, he pretty much assured us we would be arrested, even if a shooter burst into the sanctuary, said, "I'm going to kill you all," and started firing just before I drilled him from the choir loft.

This is from a site (https://www.sheepdogchurchsecurity.net/use-of-force-arrest-laws/) that helps train church security workers:
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Breaking Down Self Defense Laws

While laws vary between states, there are common terms throughout. Familiarize yourself with these terms. It will make understanding your state's laws much easier.

Imminent Threat

Self-defense laws generally require that force be used only when there is an imminent (immediate) physical threat to oneself or a third person (such as a spouse or child). It is not justified to use force against someone who makes a verbal attack.
Reasonable Belief

The law often looks at whether or not the person using self-defense had a reason to suspect they were in imminent danger. For example, if a stranger seems to be about to strike your head, it is reasonable to defend yourself. Because criminal charges can come into play, it is better to use other tactics than force except in the most serious of cases.

Duty to Retreat

Reasonable belief can be a reason to use force except that many laws also include a duty to retreat. This means that you may not use deadly force unless you first try to flee the situation.

Proportional Response

Proportional response means that the reaction must match the threat. These words require equal force. For example, if the attacker forcefully shoves someone, self-defense using proportional response would allow shoving back. However, once the attack stops you must stop fighting back. Otherwise, this is retaliation, not self-defense.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 02, 2021, 10:29:32 pm
Mr. M and I are members of our church security team. We've received training, but our instructor cautioned us that even in the most obviously justifiable shooting, there's still a likelihood of being arrested (even if charges are later dropped). In fact, he pretty much assured us we would be arrested, even if a shooter burst into the sanctuary, said, "I'm going to kill you all," and started firing just before I drilled him from the choir loft.

This is from a site (https://www.sheepdogchurchsecurity.net/use-of-force-arrest-laws/) that helps train church security workers:
Looking down that list, this sure looks like a good shoot.

Imminent Threat: Unknown person in hostile crowd advancing with rifle pointed at the driver of the vehicle.

Duty to retreat: Despite Stand Your Ground Laws, the shooter was surrounded by hostile people beating on the car and blocking retreat or forward progress.

Proportional response: firearm vs firearm, the deceased came in second.

As for arguments about the intent of the deceased, all that is relevant is the impression given the driver, in that the entire group is hostile, acting out that hostility, has been known to be violent (especially toward random whites) and the deceased advanced with a firearm pointed toward the driver. That would be enough to cause any reasonable person to believe that they were in imminent danger of losing their life or being seriously wounded, and to use the means they had available in self-defense.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: mountaineer on July 02, 2021, 11:27:02 pm
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Looking down that list, this sure looks like a good shoot.
Agreed.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: sneakypete on July 03, 2021, 02:14:00 am
I personally don't give a rabid rat's ass WHAT the law says. You PURPOSELY point a gun at me,I AM going to kill you!
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 03, 2021, 03:44:56 am
I personally don't give a rabid rat's ass WHAT the law says. You PURPOSELY point a gun at me,I AM going to kill you!
Better judged by 12 than carried by six, if it even comes to the dozen..
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Idiot on July 04, 2021, 09:19:22 pm
@mountaineer
"just before I drilled him from the choir loft."

You are an amazing woman.  God bless you!
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 04, 2021, 09:59:34 pm
A complaint should be filed against the DA and every member of his/her staff that have worked this with the appropriate state agency and the bar association. They are trying to destroy this man’s life with a frivolous prosecution and need to have their way of life face the same threat.

They may learn nothing, but at least there will be some chance of these abusive prosecutors being neutralized.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: mountaineer on July 04, 2021, 11:42:19 pm
"just before I drilled him from the choir loft."

You are an amazing woman.  God bless you!
:silly: I have to admit I'm not a very experienced shooter, but my instructor was impressed during one of our training sessions that I was so accurate with both hands, firing while on the move. I really don't want to have the opportunity to shoot anyone from my post in the choir loft!
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: thackney on July 06, 2021, 01:53:52 pm
Does Texas governor Abbott have the power to pardon Mr. Perry RIGHT NOW, before a trial?

No.  The Texas governor power to pardon is rather limited.

Const. art. 4, § 11(b), the governor may not issue a pardon except upon affirmative written recommendation from a majority of the members of the Board of Pardons and Paroles (except for a one-time 30-day reprieve in a capital case).

https://ccresourcecenter.org/state-restoration-profiles/texas-restoration-of-rights-pardon-expungement-sealing/#:~:text=Under%20Tex.-,Const.,reprieve%20in%20a%20capital%20case).
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 06, 2021, 02:43:13 pm
No.  The Texas governor power to pardon is rather limited.

Const. art. 4, § 11(b), the governor may not issue a pardon except upon affirmative written recommendation from a majority of the members of the Board of Pardons and Paroles (except for a one-time 30-day reprieve in a capital case).

https://ccresourcecenter.org/state-restoration-profiles/texas-restoration-of-rights-pardon-expungement-sealing/#:~:text=Under%20Tex.-,Const.,reprieve%20in%20a%20capital%20case).
that seems an appropriate law to restrain a single individual from overuling a jury's decision.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: thackney on July 06, 2021, 04:11:44 pm
that seems an appropriate law to restrain a single individual from overuling a jury's decision.

It tends to cut down on the "last day of my term" pardons.
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 06, 2021, 07:33:17 pm
In every place in Texas accept Travis and Harris counties.

 :amen:
Title: Re: One person dead in shooting at protest in Downtown Austin
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 06, 2021, 09:34:22 pm
that seems an appropriate law to restrain a single individual from overuling a jury's decision.

Ehh I have no faith in juries anymore. I hope they disband this before the trial.