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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: txradioguy on June 14, 2017, 12:01:10 pm
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Just breaking on my Fox News app on my phone. They were at a baseball practice this morning at 0730 in Alexandria.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html
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My God, people are going insane...
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He said a staffer used a belt as a tourniquet to stop Scalise's bleeding.
That indicates an arm or leg wound.
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I was just about to post this, got the same alert on my iphone.
House Majority Whip Steve Scalise was shot in the hip and at least one other aide was also hit in the chest by a gunman with a rifle who opened fire at a baseball practice in Virginia Wednesday morning, Fox News confirmed.
Police tweeted they "believed" the gunman was in custody. Sen. Mike Lee told Fox News, however, the gunman was dead. He said a staffer used a belt as a tourniquet to stop Scalise's bleeding.
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The shots were reported on East Monroe Street in Del Ray, Alexandria police said on Twitter at 7:30 a.m. The location was near a YMCA.
This is a developing story; check back for updates. Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html
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BREAKING NEWS:
HOUSE MAJORITY WHIP STEVE SCALISE, AIDES SHOT AT BASEBALL PRACTICE IN VIRGINIA, FOX NEWS CONFIRMS
House Majority Whip Steve Scalise was shot in the hip and at least one other aide was also hit in the chest by a gunman with a rifle who opened fire at a baseball practice in Virginia Wednesday morning, Fox News confirmed.
Police tweeted they "believed" the gunman was in custody. Sen. Mike Lee told Fox News, however, the gunman was dead. He said a staffer used a belt as a tourniquet to stop Scalise's bleeding.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html
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Police tweeted they were "investigating multiple shooting 400 block E Monroe St. Suspect believed in custody."
An apparent eyewitness said on Twitter that gunfire rang out at the YMCA baseball fields, by the Eugene Simpson Stadium Park.
The witness, @ben_childers, said it happened at a congressional baseball team practice session.
Local media report there is a major police presence after the attack.
Senator Mike Lee, a Utah Republican, texted Fox News to say that Mr Scalise had been shot in the hip and would survive.
He said someone had used a belt as a tourniquet on him.
Mr Lee said the shooter had used a long gun and was dead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40275055
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Scalise
This is insanity.
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Can't even blame the moon.
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Rand Paul saying he heard at least 50 shots....wow
gunshots lasted 10 minutes
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Rand Paul saying he heard at least 50 shots....wow
I saw somewhere that said 50 to 100 shots.
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I saw somewhere that said 50 to 100 shots.
Fortunately it appears that the gunman was a really bad shot.
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Do they have a regular pick-up games on early mornings? Sounds like the nutjob had been planning this for a while.
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May be politically motivated:
Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., told Fox News he left just before the shooting. As he walked to his car, a man asked DeSantis if it was Republicans or Democrats practicing. About three minutes the shooting began, DeSantis said.
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Key House Republican Steve Scalise, aides shot in Virginia
FOX News
17 mins ago
The gunman was shot by U.S. Capital Police, apprehended and taken to the hospital. Sen. Mike Lee told Fox News, however, the gunman was dead. Rep. Mo Brooks reportedly used a belt as a tourniquet to stop Scalise's bleeding.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/key-house-republican-steve-scalise-aides-shot-in-virginia/ar-BBCFakV?OCID=ansmsnnews11
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I saw somewhere that said 50 to 100 shots.
Same.
Rand Paul says Scalise's presence likely saved them all, since his leadership position necessitated the presence of Capitol police.
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Fortunately it appears that the gunman was a really bad shot.
Thank God for that...
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Three threads merged.
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Fox is reporting Rep Roger Williams was also shot.
I just got a text alert.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html
The story has been updated
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Heard a couple of congressmen interviewed. They had left a few minutes early, and on their way out were asked by an average looking middle aged white guy if those were Republicans or Democrats.
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Do they have a regular pick-up games on early mornings? Sounds like the nutjob had been planning this for a while.
@Wingnut
Looks like it was practice for a game to benefit disadvantaged kids. Geez...
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This is an event that has been ongoing for decades and it appears to be played in a public park rather than a stadium? It would seem with all the tension it should have been moved to a stadium with security at the entrances and exits. The article states that he has a security detail. If they were there they did a really crappy job. I am very thankful no more were hurt.
So ... it seems that the attack on conservatives is well underway. Liberals couldn't win at the polls, so they continue to attack in the streets, only this time with rifle power. Lord help us.
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This is an event that has been ongoing for decades and it appears to be played in a public park rather than a stadium? It would seem with all the tension it should have been moved to a stadium with security at the entrances and exits. The article states that he has a security detail. If they were there they did a really crappy job. I am very thankful no more were hurt.
So ... it seems that the attack on conservatives is well underway. Liberals couldn't win at the polls, so they continue to attack in the streets, only this time with rifle power. Lord help us.
This is the tone the Dems have created with the constant references to assassination...I blame them!
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This is an event that has been ongoing for decades and it appears to be played in a public park rather than a stadium? It would seem with all the tension it should have been moved to a stadium with security at the entrances and exits. The article states that he has a security detail. If they were there they did a really crappy job. I am very thankful no more were hurt.
So ... it seems that the attack on conservatives is well underway. Liberals couldn't win at the polls, so they continue to attack in the streets, only this time with rifle power. Lord help us.
I think and I pray I'm wrong, but we may be in the beginnings of a second Civil War.
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This is an event that has been ongoing for decades and it appears to be played in a public park rather than a stadium? It would seem with all the tension it should have been moved to a stadium with security at the entrances and exits. The article states that he has a security detail. If they were there they did a really crappy job. I am very thankful no more were hurt.
So ... it seems that the attack on conservatives is well underway. Liberals couldn't win at the polls, so they continue to attack in the streets, only this time with rifle power. Lord help us.
And the question in my mind is... how much longer will it be before someone decides to shoot back? Please note that I'm not advocating that. I just believe that as things escalate, it will probably start happening. **nononono*
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 20m20 minutes ago
Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, a true friend and patriot, was badly injured but will fully recover. Our thoughts and prayers are with him.
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The HillVerified account @thehill 14m14 minutes ago
Dem baseball team prays for GOP colleagues after shooting: http://
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@Wingnut
Looks like it was practice for a game to benefit disadvantaged kids. Geez...
@CatherineofAragon Thanks.
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Unfortunately, this could as easily be someone from the alt-right who decided to do something about those treasonous RINOs in Congress.
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Heard a couple of congressmen interviewed. They had left a few minutes early, and on their way out were asked by an average looking middle aged white guy if those were Republicans or Democrats.
Since Scalise was an apparent target, I have a feeling this shooter knew what he was doing.
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UNDER ATTACK: House Majority Whip Scalise And His Staff Have Been Shot
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Republican Congressman and House Majority Whip Steve Scalise was shot early Wednesday morning in Alexandria, Virginia while practicing for the Congressional baseball game at Eugene Simpson Stadium Park. A number of staffers and Congressmen from the Republican team were targeted. Scalise was shot in the hip and is reportedly in stable condition. His staffers and two Capitol Police officers were also shot. One of the officers was shot in the chest. At least five people were hit.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/06/14/breaking-congressman-scalice-has-been-shot-n2340992
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I get the feeling we will be asked to "understand his rage" rather than condemn the reasons for the shooting
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US Park Police airlift at shooting scene
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This is an event that has been ongoing for decades and it appears to be played in a public park rather than a stadium? It would seem with all the tension it should have been moved to a stadium with security at the entrances and exits. The article states that he has a security detail. If they were there they did a really crappy job. I am very thankful no more were hurt.
So ... it seems that the attack on conservatives is well underway. Liberals couldn't win at the polls, so they continue to attack in the streets, only this time with rifle power. Lord help us.
Unfortunately the absolute worst of both sides are in control and stirring for a fight. This leads the nuts to act like the moron who went in and shot up the DC pizza place while searching for the child sex slaves of the pizzagate nutjobbery.
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Who is responsible for this vile and violent attack? This can not be a "random" act of violence.
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The HillVerified account @thehill 14m14 minutes ago
Dem baseball team prays for GOP colleagues after shooting: http://
I'm glad you posted that---my phone kept messing me up when I tried to format the link.
Politics aside, it's good to see.
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Debra Burlingame @DebraBurlingame 40s41 seconds ago
When liberals cheer the mock execution of a Republican president, why would anyone be surprised by nutjob targeting GOP?
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The Rats have their supporters whipped into a frenzy of hate and murder just to raise money and support their shitty ideas. This shooting was just a matter of time.
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@CatherineofAragon Thanks.
@Wingnut
You're welcome, my friend.
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Let's cool it with the speculation until the facts are known. All I ever heard from right wing talk radio is "let's wait until we have all the facts." Notice how I did not use "conservative talk radio". I'm convinced that there is no "conservative" talk radio anymore, and that includes Rush and Hannity. There's always an exception, such as Mark Levin.
Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher were having an orgy of speculation this morning. It was really painful to listen to, and they were feeding off each other. Within a 30 second span, they brought Madonna, the theatre in Central Park, and Kathy Griffin into the conversation, as if they aided and abetted the shooter...they were convinced that the shooter was out to kill Republicans, and that may be true. Naturally, they speculated on the media coverage had the victims been Democrats.
Enough already! The incident occurred about an hour previous to that conversation. Beam me up, Scotty!
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Debra Burlingame @DebraBurlingame 40s41 seconds ago
When liberals cheer the mock execution of a Republican president, why would anyone be surprised by nutjob targeting GOP?
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Unfortunately, this could as easily be someone from the alt-right who decided to do something about those treasonous RINOs in Congress.
A great point lost on the broadcast "professionals" this morning.
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I'm in shock.
Prayers for the Congressman and all involved.
This is MADNESS!!!
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Debra Burlingame @DebraBurlingame 40s41 seconds ago
When liberals cheer the mock execution of a Republican president, why would anyone be surprised by nutjob targeting GOP?
Shut up and wait for facts, Ms. Burlingame.
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 20m20 minutes ago
Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, a true friend and patriot, was badly injured but will fully recover. Our thoughts and prayers are with him.
Good statement.
The rats are going off on Virginia gun laws while there's still blood on the ground.
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Unfortunately the absolute worst of both sides are in control and stirring for a fight. This leads the nuts to act like the moron who went in and shot up the DC pizza place while searching for the child sex slaves of the pizzagate nutjobbery.
And they're aided and abetted by cable news channels more than willing to give them their 15 minutes of fame, and hours of programming to fill.
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Ezra KleinVerified account @ezraklein 3m3 minutes ago
Rand Paul: Shooting at congressional baseball practice “would’ve been a massacre” if not for Capitol Police
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Shut up and wait for facts, Ms. Burlingame.
A voice of reason and sanity in an insane world...thank you!
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Enough already! The incident occurred about an hour previous to that conversation. Beam me up, Scotty!
Jumping to conclusions is the only exercise the talking heads get anymore.
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Did they say some relative of Joe Biden was there.
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NEWS: REP. ROGER WILLIAMS (R-Texas) was NOT shot, but confirms one of his staff members was shot and is receiving medical attn.
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Let's cool it with the speculation until the facts are known. All I ever heard from right wing talk radio is "let's wait until we have all the facts." Notice how I did not use "conservative talk radio". I'm convinced that there is no "conservative" talk radio anymore, and that includes Rush and Hannity. There's always an exception, such as Mark Levin.
Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher were having an orgy of speculation this morning. It was really painful to listen to, and they were feeding off each other. Within a 30 second span, they brought Madonna, the theatre in Central Park, and Kathy Griffin into the conversation, as if they aided and abetted the shooter...they were convinced that the shooter was out to kill Republicans, and that may be true. Naturally, they speculated on the media coverage had the victims been Democrats.
Enough already! The incident occurred about an hour previous to that conversation. Beam me up, Scotty!
Has Alex Jones weighed in with a conspiracy theory yet?
Yes, there will be endless speculation until the facts are known. And it's possible we will never know the truth. It's like living in a dictatorship where the truth is hidden from the masses.
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Chad PergramVerified account @ChadPergram 24m24 minutes ago
#BREAKING Scalise at Medstar in DC. Undergoing surgery for hip wound. One female USCP detail agent shot. Also at Medstar in DC.
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Who is responsible for this vile and violent attack? This can not be a "random" act of violence.
I've been seeing bits and pieces of it from various sites. The shooting apparently took place on a baseball field where members of congress were practicing as some sort of team. On one site it is claimed that the shooter asked if these congressmen were "Democrats or Republicans", and when he was told they were Republicans he started shooting.
I blame the eliminationist rhetoric that has been continuously pumped out of the Democrat/Media complex since Trump's election.
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Jumping to conclusions is the only exercise the talking heads get anymore.
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And they're aided and abetted by cable news channels more than willing to give them their 15 minutes of fame, and hours of programming to fill.
Agreed.
Its time for everybody to dial it back so the media has no one to put on the air to stir the pot.
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Let's cool it with the speculation until the facts are known. All I ever heard from right wing talk radio is "let's wait until we have all the facts." Notice how I did not use "conservative talk radio". I'm convinced that there is no "conservative" talk radio anymore, and that includes Rush and Hannity. There's always an exception, such as Mark Levin.
Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher were having an orgy of speculation this morning. It was really painful to listen to, and they were feeding off each other. Within a 30 second span, they brought Madonna, the theatre in Central Park, and Kathy Griffin into the conversation, as if they aided and abetted the shooter...they were convinced that the shooter was out to kill Republicans, and that may be true. Naturally, they speculated on the media coverage had the victims been Democrats.
Enough already! The incident occurred about an hour previous to that conversation. Beam me up, Scotty!
Dana Loesch is the only one of them I listen to, and she always stresses waiting until the facts are in before making assumptions.
That said, she has an audience, and I don't think there's any harm in us discussing here. Everyone has been pretty much sticking to the facts we have.
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My Ruger stock is gonna go nuts today!!! Opening bell in 1 minute.
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NBC Nightly NewsVerified account @NBCNightlyNews 1m1 minute ago
LATEST: Virginia shooting:
Wounded:
-Rep. Scalise
-2 Capitol Police officers
-congressional aide
Gunman down.
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I've been seeing bits and pieces of it from various sites. The shooting apparently took place on a baseball field where members of congress were practicing as some sort of team. On one site it is claimed that the shooter asked if these congressmen were "Democrats or Republicans", and when he was told they were Republicans he started shooting.
I blame the eliminationist rhetoric that has been continuously pumped out of the Democrat/Media complex since Trump's election.
If that is true then liberals/Democrats are on par with terrorist groups.
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That play that is out there, what these comedians like Griffin, etc. have been out saying.
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Debra Burlingame @DebraBurlingame 40s41 seconds ago
When liberals cheer the mock execution of a Republican president, why would anyone be surprised by nutjob targeting GOP?
While it is always wise not to jump to conclusions, I am going to guess that the shooter's motivation had nothing to do with the designated hitter rule.
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Mike EmanuelVerified account @MikeEmanuelFox 2m2 minutes ago
Security is particularly tight on Capitol Hill. I'm seeing a lot of stunned, stressed and upset faces.
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Savannah GuthrieVerified account @SavannahGuthrie 6m6 minutes ago
Suspect is alive according to NBC affiliate WRC
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Savannah GuthrieVerified account @SavannahGuthrie 6m6 minutes ago
Suspect is alive according to NBC affiliate WRC
That would be good, if true.
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While it is always wise not to jump to conclusions, I am going to guess that the shooter's motivation had nothing to do with the designated hitter rule.
I think it was last week that I posted a comment which pointed out that stereotyping and bias are in fact survival techniques.
You don't have time to ponder whether a snake that you are about to step on is poisonous or not. You will likely live longer if you simply assume that it is. I.E. "Stereotyping."
Using the short hand of stereotyping to classify potential threats that you encounter will help you avoid dangerous situations.
That being said, i'm going to leap to the conclusion that this shooter was another psycho Democrat, and possibly a Homosexual or Muslim.
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Unfortunately, this could as easily be someone from the alt-right who decided to do something about those treasonous RINOs in Congress.
Given the climate in the country with the accusations from the Clinton camp about GOP/Trump/Russian collusion and Russian hacking into the election as one of the many reasons why she lost; I highly doubt it.
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Joe WalshVerified account @WalshFreedom 3m3 minutes ago
GOP Congressmen targeted this am in a mass shooting.
To those on the Left: How about now u stop all this constant assassination talk?
Ok?
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Has Alex Jones weighed in with a conspiracy theory yet?
Yes, there will be endless speculation until the facts are known. And it's possible we will never know the truth. It's like living in a dictatorship where the truth is hidden from the masses.
This country has an integrity deficit greater than our fiscal deficit. Until it's arrested, no one can logically say this country's best days are ahead of it.
I've been working on a speech to my family for Father's Day. First time I've done that, but I think the time is right. This topic will be but a footnote to the general tenor, which I hope will be uplifting. The genesis for it comes from the passing of my FIL about 10 years ago. He was ill, and was on a waiting list for a liver transplant. His death about a month after Christmas was still a surprise to us.
The torment I saw on my brothers and sisters in law was palpable, they felt guilty for not "settling their debts" with him. I went through that a bit myself, as my father and stepfather passed away within a week of each other. My father's death was sudden, while my stepfather passed from emphysema. Five minutes after we said our goodbyes and I left his room, he went into a coma and passed away that day.
I had been teaching Old Testament to the 6th graders in my parish for about ten years at that point. It was through those lessons that I came to understand the concept of God's unconditional love for us. It further manifested itself in the unconditional love that parents have for their children. That was the message I gave to my in-laws, that for whatever guilt and anguish they were feeling, their dad had forgiven them long ago.
There are moments that my children have given me that I call their perpetual "get out of jail free" cards. They can be great achievements, or simple moments. My oldest son has a trove of moments, lol, to include playing in a concert at St. Patrick's cathedral in Dublin, the night before his HS band would march in the St. Patrick's Day parade. It was overwhelming, to see my son performing in that historic setting.
My apologies for the hijack, I tend to wax a bit too philosophical on days like this.
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Congressman Roger Williams on the bench. Looks like Kevin Brady digging in the first aid kit.
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I'm in shock.
Prayers for the Congressman and all involved.
This is MADNESS!!!
It is insane. We can thank the MSM/DEM hourly smear campaign against Trump and the GOP!!
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My Ruger stock is gonna go nuts today!!! Opening bell in 1 minute.
Is your brother Gordon Gekko? 22222frying pan
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Unfortunately, this could as easily be someone from the alt-right who decided to do something about those treasonous RINOs in Congress.
Its certainly possible. There is plenty of hate for republicans being expressed all across the political spectrum.
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Let's cool it with the speculation until the facts are known. All I ever heard from right wing talk radio is "let's wait until we have all the facts." Notice how I did not use "conservative talk radio". I'm convinced that there is no "conservative" talk radio anymore, and that includes Rush and Hannity. There's always an exception, such as Mark Levin.
Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher were having an orgy of speculation this morning. It was really painful to listen to, and they were feeding off each other. Within a 30 second span, they brought Madonna, the theatre in Central Park, and Kathy Griffin into the conversation, as if they aided and abetted the shooter...they were convinced that the shooter was out to kill Republicans, and that may be true. Naturally, they speculated on the media coverage had the victims been Democrats.
Enough already! The incident occurred about an hour previous to that conversation. Beam me up, Scotty!
Boo Hoo
Who wouldn't bring in the ugly environment in this country. What Griffin did, that play.
But wouldn't you know, some "conservatives" bring up Limbaugh and Hannity as well. But they aren't being political. @CatherineofAragon
*****rollingeyes*****
Kudos to Mike Gallagher and others.
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I guess when President Lincoln was shot, it wouldn't be proper to talk about the climate of the country.
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Mike EmanuelVerified account @MikeEmanuelFox 2m2 minutes ago
Security is particularly tight on Capitol Hill. I'm seeing a lot of stunned, stressed and upset faces.
What's the big deal? Washington DC has left us all with stunned, stressed, and upset spaces for at least a decade. I'm more worried about the kneejerk reaction from Congress.
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Boo Hoo
Who wouldn't bring in the ugly environment in this country. What Griffin did, that play.
But wouldn't you know, some "conservatives" bring up Limbaugh and Hannity as well. But they aren't being political. @CatherineofAragon
*****rollingeyes*****
Kudos to Mike Gallagher and others.
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I guess when President Lincoln was shot, it wouldn't be proper to talk about the climate of the country.
Expected reaction from you, Tom. Did you hear the shooter cry, "Sic semper tyrannis"?
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@Wingnut
Looks like it was practice for a game to benefit disadvantaged kids. Geez...
The Republicans and Dems have a Congressional Baseball team that playseach other for charity IIRC.
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I guess when President Lincoln was shot, it wouldn't be proper to talk about the climate of the country.
Or ask her how she liked the play.
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Either a Freeper, DUmmy Bernie bro type, or a random nutjob like the guy who shot giffords.
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While it is always wise not to jump to conclusions, I am going to guess that the shooter's motivation had nothing to do with the designated hitter rule.
Maybe he was upset about the use of artificial turf.
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The HillVerified account @thehill 14m14 minutes ago
Dem baseball team prays for GOP colleagues after shooting holds strategy meeting to decide whose names will go on the bill to remove all weapons from the hands of their subjects.
Fixed it.
@CatherineofAragon
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It is insane. We can thank the MSM/DEM hourly smear campaign against Trump and the GOP!!
Exactly.....
With CNN personnel holding a severed POTUS had, and a play in NY showing a nightly POTUS assassination, I think the left has agreed that it is open season on Republicans
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Its certainly possible. There is plenty of hate for republicans being expressed all across the political spectrum.
And the bulk of it is ginned up by the New York Liberal Democrat and Los Angeles Liberal Democrat MEDIA.
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This is insanity.
@mountaineer
teebee reporters are saying Republicans were the targets,and the shooter was trying to kill as many Republicans as possible.
The left has been ranting and raving about how evil Republicans are ever since Bathhouse Barry won the presidency,and most of the mental basketcases vote Dim. Sooner or later there was going to be a reaction like this.
Also,the anti-gunners are out in full bray,screaming about the need for gun contol. The one I heard first kept mentioning "some control over the 3 million weapons that are out there in private hands!"
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Fixed it.
@CatherineofAragon
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Scalise is in stable condition. Prayers for all the injured.
However, I am expecting my taxes to go up to provide 24/7 armed protection, armored cars, etc. and so on for our rulers. They have set themselves apart and above from those they supposedly serve and this will make it worse. The political divide in this country is dangerous.
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Do they have a regular pick-up games on early mornings? Sounds like the nutjob had been planning this for a while.
@Wingnut
Yes. One Republican is quoted as saying they had been meeting there to practice for at least a month.
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Its certainly possible. There is plenty of hate for republicans being expressed all across the political spectrum.
Possible, but not plausible. When we have a 'celebrity' (and I use the term lightly) holding up Trump's decapitated head on stage as some kind of (sick) joke, thinking that the viewing public will see it as funny, something is terribly wrong with the mindset of the American public.
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Here's some footage of the event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_QxHOeErw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_QxHOeErw)
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ABC is reporting Scale is stable, but 2 of the wounded are in critical condition.
Have to ask you gun owners -- is an M4 an "assault rifle?" The media calls everything an assault rifle these days.
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This resembles a scene right out of John Ross' "Unintended Consequences".
Looks like the "cold civil war" currently raging between the reds and the blues jes' "went hot" for a moment...
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Boo Hoo
Who wouldn't bring in the ugly environment in this country. What Griffin did, that play.
But wouldn't you know, some "conservatives" bring up Limbaugh and Hannity as well. But they aren't being political. @CatherineofAragon
*****rollingeyes*****
Kudos to Mike Gallagher and others.
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I guess when President Lincoln was shot, it wouldn't be proper to talk about the climate of the country.
You have no concept of class or grace.
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This is an event that has been ongoing for decades and it appears to be played in a public park rather than a stadium? It would seem with all the tension it should have been moved to a stadium with security at the entrances and exits. The article states that he has a security detail. If they were there they did a really crappy job. I am very thankful no more were hurt.
So ... it seems that the attack on conservatives is well underway. Liberals couldn't win at the polls, so they continue to attack in the streets, only this time with rifle power. Lord help us.
@libertybele
I am GUESSING that the security people there on the field were only armed with handguns. DC politicians HATE the image of having armed bodyguards. Especially bodyguards armed with rifles.
I suspect the guards were ordered to leave the rifles locked in their cars,so please cut them some slack on this. These guys were taking on a guy armed with a AR-15 using pistols,and they took him down.
And yes,the left IS after Republicans. It is now official.
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Maybe he was upset about the use of artificial turf.
That rules me out. I'm no longer upset about the use of artificial turf. Our district's football fields, down to middle school level are all turfed.
Sounds crazy but it makes sense. During the Texas summer, the ground gets parched, and wide cracks appear in grass fields. Those fields are used for football, soccer, and lacrosse. The turf cuts down on maintenance and water.
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@libertybele
I am GUESSING that the security people there on the field were only armed with handguns. DC politicians HATE the image of having armed bodyguards. Especially bodyguards armed with rifles.
I suspect the guards were ordered to leave the rifles locked in their cars,so please cut them some slack on this. These guys were taking on a guy armed with a AR-15 using pistols,and they took him down.
And yes,the left IS after Republicans. It is now official.
I heard a report that said the guards did only have pistols.
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@mountaineer
teebee reporters are saying Republicans were the targets,and the shooter was trying to kill as many Republicans as possible.
The left has been ranting and raving about how evil Republicans are ever since Bathhouse Barry won the presidency,and most of the mental basketcases vote Dim. Sooner or later there was going to be a reaction like this.
Also,the anti-gunners are out in full bray,screaming about the need for gun contol. The one I heard first kept mentioning "some control over the 3 million weapons that are out there in private hands!"
When there is serious discussion about the liberal MSM being irresponsible and the mindset of the liberal left mental midgets, we can then discuss why controlling 3 million weapons in private hands is a really bad idea. Oh, and did I mention it's unconstitutional?
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Boo Hoo
Who wouldn't bring in the ugly environment in this country. What Griffin did, that play.
But wouldn't you know, some "conservatives" bring up Limbaugh and Hannity as well. But they aren't being political. @CatherineofAragon
*****rollingeyes*****
Kudos to Mike Gallagher and others.
:thumbsup3:
I guess when President Lincoln was shot, it wouldn't be proper to talk about the climate of the country.
@TomSea
Are you drunk? Where did I mention Hannity and Limbaugh?
I'll bring up that Kevlar-haired conspiracy moron and the morbidly obese has-been if they're related to the topic. So put your stupidity on hold and let's get back to the subject.
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Female Cap Hill Police Officer took the shooter down...she was shot in her ankle...and still returned fire..
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I think and I pray I'm wrong, but we may be in the beginnings of a second Civil War.
@Freya
We are,and the Dims are now desperate. They thought they had a lock on the police state of their dreams,and then their Goddess was beaten by a loon with bad hair that had never even ran for dogcatcher before. This made them lose what little minds they had left.
I am thinking this might not work out as well for them as they believe it will. Look for LOTS of prominent lefties to be climbing aboard private jets and personal yachts and taking off for safer climes soon.
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Fixed it.
@CatherineofAragon
@rodamala
You don't need to fix it. I'll stick with my point.
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Let's get back to the tragedy but when some members who seem to bring up hearsay about FR members all of a sudden take the so-called moral highroad, it needs to be called out. It was no problem to politicize other cases.
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The Daily BeastVerified account @thedailybeast 1m1 minute ago
Rep. Brad Wenstrup, who is a physician, said he treated Scalise, who had a hip injury, at the scene
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Female Cap Hill Police Officer took the shooter down...she was shot in her ankle...and still returned fire..
In my experience, women are just as good with weapons as men are. Ask anyone who was on a rifle team in college.
It's a little trickier when it comes to infantry...packing an 80 lb rucksack makes it a bit more difficult.
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I think and I pray I'm wrong, but we may be in the beginnings of a second Civil War.
No.
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Unfortunately, this could as easily be someone from the alt-right who decided to do something about those treasonous RINOs in Congress.
@Oceander
Why is it that I detect a faint whiff of "I HOPE,I HOPE!" in the background? Are you really that disappointed that JEB is out?
You clearly hate conservatives more than you hate the left.
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No.
IF we have another '08 ish crash or worse, I bet we do.
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I get the feeling we will be asked to "understand his rage" rather than condemn the reasons for the shooting
@Restored
Naw,he is a white guy. White guys have privilege,not rage.
If he were black there would be a national day of pity party declared.
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Kurt SchlichterVerified account @KurtSchlichter 39m39 minutes ago
The Capitol Police - going pistol against long gun and winning.
That's hardcore.
God bless all our LEOs!
👮👮♀️🚔🚨
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IF we have another '08 ish crash or worse, I bet we do.
I've been hearing this from assorted nutjobs on the internet since I started posting about politics on the net. Never happens.
Normies don't get as pissed as the internet screamers do about this crap.
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Who is responsible for this vile and violent attack? This can not be a "random" act of violence.
@LottieDah
The DNC and the media.
Good luck getting them charged as accomplices.
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Ridiculous!!! ...."members of Congress can’t keep a loaded gun with them to protect themselves and others as they walk around Capitol Hill. Members may keep firearms in their offices, but have to unload them bullets in order to transport their weapons anywhere else on Capitol grounds, according to U.S. Capitol Police regulations..."
http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/04/meet-the-members-of-congress-who-pack-heat/
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When liberals cheer the mock execution of a Republican president, why would anyone be surprised by nutjob targeting GOP?
Shut up and wait for facts, Ms. Burlingame.
@Sanguine
Those ARE facts.
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Exactly.....
With CNN personnel holding a severed POTUS had, and a play in NY showing a nightly POTUS assassination, I think the left has agreed that it is open season on Republicans
Who didn't see this coming.
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Fox interviewing a witness; so the YMCA where this occurred even got shot at.
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(http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-14-at-9.48.50-AM-998x665.png)
Here’s What We Know About The Congressional Baseball Shooting So Far
June 14, 2017 By Madeline Orr
A gunman opened fire on the GOP congressional baseball practice Wednesday morning in Alexandria, Va. Here is a collection of tweets reporting what we know so far about the victims, the shooter, and Capitol Police.
more
http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/14/heres-know-congressional-baseball-shooting-far/#.WUFEysFbaKc.twitter
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Some ugly stuff on Twitter from the left- talking about karma for "NRA Tea Party" Scalise. Also calling for gun control, of course.
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Good statement.
The rats are going off on Virginia gun laws while there's still blood on the ground.
@CatherineofAragon
Not just the guns in Virginia. One was already speaking when I turned on my tv,and the teebee talking head babe were agreeing that "somthing needs to be done about getting the 3 million guns in this country under control!"
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Mark KnollerVerified account @markknoller 4m4 minutes ago
Pres Trump to make statement on shooting incident. Awaiting announcement of time and place.
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And they're aided and abetted by cable news channels more than willing to give them their 15 minutes of fame, and hours of programming to fill.
@Night Hides Not
The One Biggest Truth about the media remains constant,"If it bleeds,it leads!"
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCSWPATUQAAGt2S.jpg)
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So far the only decent FB post I've seen on the matter.
The shootings this morning not far from where I live ought to remind us of what really matters. The pettiness, the partisanship and anger that have poisoned our politics all of a sudden don't matter when something like this happens. We should all learn a lesson from this. Members of the other party are not our enemies. They are our fellow Americans. If you want an enemy make it ISIS, or the Taliban. They want to destroy us. Why are we helping them?
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A little levity is needed.
(http://i.imgur.com/G2VxOp5.png)
So not only are the officers expected to survive the shooting, they're also expected to survive Pete Williams reports.
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Fox interviewing a witness; so the YMCA where this occurred even got shot at.
Should we hold a moment of silence?
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I'm gonna guess this is some garden variety nutjob like the bald freak who shot giffords.
Not the result of any partisan vitriol.
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Did they say some relative of Joe Biden was there.
@TomSea
Why would a Biden be there? It was the Republican baseball team practicing,not the Dims.
Of course given that it is a Biden we are talking about,he or she may not have known where they were or why they were there,so I guess it is possible.
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@CatherineofAragon
Not just the guns in Virginia. One was already speaking when I turned on my tv,and the teebee talking head babe were agreeing that "somthing needs to be done about getting the 3 million guns in this country under control!"
@sneakypete
Something needs to be done to get their raging stupidity under control.
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Remember, group damnation and group salvation are concepts of social justice philosophy. An individual is responsible for his own actions. Not alll gun owners aee blamed for the action of one nor should any other group.
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A little levity is needed.
(http://i.imgur.com/G2VxOp5.png)
So not only are the officers expected to survive the shooting, they're also expected to survive Pete Williams reports.
:silly:
Oh hell, I survived the Baader Meinhof gang in Germany, I can survive Pete Williams' reports.
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The Washington Post is saying two of the victims are in critical condition...
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I've been seeing bits and pieces of it from various sites. The shooting apparently took place on a baseball field where members of congress were practicing as some sort of team. On one site it is claimed that the shooter asked if these congressmen were "Democrats or Republicans", and when he was told they were Republicans he started shooting.
I blame the eliminationist rhetoric that has been continuously pumped out of the Democrat/Media complex since Trump's election.
@DiogenesLamp
I blame the eliminationist rhetoric that has been continuously pumped out of the Democrat/Media complex since Trump's election.
And there you have it. Anybody that claims anything else is just trying to tap dance away from an uncomfortable truth.
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I'm gonna guess this is some garden variety nutjob like the bald freak who shot giffords.
Not the result of any partisan vitriol.
And you base that on what exactly?
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I've been hearing this from assorted nutjobs on the internet since I started posting about politics on the net. Never happens.
Normies don't get as pissed as the internet screamers do about this crap.
Well... extreme political discourse + $20T Fedzilla defecit (blank check starts bouncing) + economic crash? I guess the sum is happiness, unicorns, and skittles.
Not saying with 100% certainty obviously, but this is the most anger and polarization I have seen in my lifetime since 1968. I just hope the it doesn't end up with an 1860 feel.
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And you base that on what exactly?
Hunch.
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@rodamala
You don't need to fix it. I'll stick with my point.
@CatherineofAragon
You wait and see just how many Republicans will cosign into that "prayer group".
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2 witnesses talk about the political climate in this country; but odd, some find fault with others doing it.
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Shut up and wait for facts, Ms. Burlingame.
@Sanguine
Those ARE facts.
Nope, we know very little right now, and the speculation is at best premature.
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If that is true then liberals/Democrats are on par with terrorist groups.
@LottieDah
That is news to you? The USSR infiltrated the Dim Party in the 30's,and by the 1960's were in control. What has them so pissed now is that when they FINALLY got a pro-Soviet fellow-traveler (Bubba Bill) elected as President of the US,the USSR collapsed as the Russian people overthrew communism. That was what caused the
'murikan left to first start losing what little minds they had.
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Well... extreme political discourse + $20T Fedzilla defecit (blank check starts bouncing) + economic crash? I guess the sum is happiness, unicorns, and skittles.
Not saying with 100% certainty obviously, but this is the most anger and polarization I have seen in my lifetime since 1968. I just hope the it doesn't end up with an 1860 feel.
It's extremes at both ends battling each other. "Normies" don't have the level of angry that internet screamers do. They like Disney, local sports, hanging out, having fun. Facebook memes. Forwards. Etc.
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So not only are the officers expected to survive the shooting, they're also expected to survive Pete Williams reports.
Had it been a Brian Williams or Dan Rather report, however ...
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While it is always wise not to jump to conclusions, I am going to guess that the shooter's motivation had nothing to do with the designated hitter rule.
@andy58-in-nh
What makes you so sure the shooter wasn't the "designated hitter"?
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I think it was last week that I posted a comment which pointed out that stereotyping and bias are in fact survival techniques.
You don't have time to ponder whether a snake that you are about to step on is poisonous or not. You will likely live longer if you simply assume that it is. I.E. "Stereotyping."
Using the short hand of stereotyping to classify potential threats that you encounter will help you avoid dangerous situations.
That being said, i'm going to leap to the conclusion that this shooter was another psycho Democrat, and possibly a Homosexual or Muslim.
@DiogenesLamp
Or possibly the parent of a homo or Muslim.
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The Republicans and Dems have a Congressional Baseball team that playseach other for charity IIRC.
@txradioguy
You're right. John Podhoretz says they raise $600K every year for charity.
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No matter the motive, we probably won't get to hear it. The MSM will revert to narratives about guns. This will be a "Ha ha ha. You got what you deserved for opposing gun control" moment for them.
The motive of the gunman is just an inconvenient optic.
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It's extremes at both ends battling each other. "Normies" don't have the level of angry that internet screamers do. They like Disney, local sports, hanging out, having fun. Facebook memes. Forwards. Etc.
Yeah, but that middle is shrinking rapidly. And its not just what you call internet screamers. Think about it, this country elected Donald Trump. How rational is that? A crash or a few more high profile events like today could blow the lid on this steam cooker.
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You wait and see just how many Republicans will cosign into that "prayer group".
@rodamala
My comment was for that single moment/incident.
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Either a Freeper, DUmmy Bernie bro type, or a random nutjob like the guy who shot giffords.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I ain't a betting man,but I will be willing to bet the house on it being a nutjob.
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Liz WheelerVerified account @Liz_Wheeler 3m3 minutes ago
Rep. Rodney Davis tears up on air talking about informing his family he was safe.
Fox just interviewed him.....he's my Congressman.....
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Presser now-FBI taking over investigation- they are calling it an investigation and not a matter- Terry McAuliffe is there front and center for the cameras.
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Should we hold a moment of silence?
And set up a makeshift memorial with flowers and teddy bears and rainbow flags with unicorns and such....
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Yeah, but that middle is shrinking rapidly. And its not just what you call internet screamers. Think about it, this country elected Donald Trump. How rational is that? A crash or a few more high profile events like today could blow the lid on this steam cooker.
I have 70 Facebook friends. I have unfollowed a few friends for constant political stuff, but most friends don't care. They just want to raise a family, post pictures etc.
The biggest idiots on the internet tend to scream the loudest, and therefor you get the mistaken impression that the whole country is willing to do battle of this. It's not.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I ain't a betting man,but I will be willing to bet the house on it being a nutjob.
Absolutely its a nutjob - a nutjob motivated by overheated political rhetoric.
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FBI guy: pursuing all avenues- no, it was not an assassination attempt. :shrug:
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or a random nutjob like the guy who shot giffords.
Since the perp in question asked the party affiliation of his victims, I think we can safely take the "random" card off the table.
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FBI guy: pursuing all avenues- no, it was not an assassination attempt. :shrug:
Yeah, I love that one: "we don't know what it was, but we know what it wasn't". Huh?
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Female Cap Hill Police Officer took the shooter down...she was shot in her ankle...and still returned fire..
@mystery-ak
Good for her! Let's just hope she is lucky enough the ankle injury will heal and she won't be forced into retirement. Chances are she is "going out with a bang",though. Los of tiny bones and nerves in a ankle,and a bullet can cause a lot of damage.
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Since the perp in question asked the party affiliation of his victims, I think we can safely take the "random" card off the table.
Now that is interesting. I may be wrong.
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FBI guy: pursuing all avenues- no, it was not an assassination attempt. :shrug:
...a stupid response....then what the hell was it!
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Since the perp in question asked the party affiliation of his victims, I think we can safely take the "random" card off the table.
Agreed.
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FBI guy: pursuing all avenues- no, it was not an assassination attempt. :shrug:
Now FBI guy says he misspoke and it is too early to say if assassination. He claimed to be unaware of perp asking party affiliation of victims.
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@Wingnut
Yes. One Republican is quoted as saying they had been meeting there to practice for at least a month.
@sneakypete
THX!
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@DiogenesLamp
And there you have it. Anybody that claims anything else is just trying to tap dance away from an uncomfortable truth.
I lay this at the feet of people like Late Night comedian Cobert, who spews hate for half his show EVERY NIGHT.
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Oliver DarcyVerified account @oliverdarcy 4m4 minutes ago
FBI: "Too early to tell if they were targeted or not"
Political motivation? FBI special agent says "not aware of that at all"
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Oliver DarcyVerified account @oliverdarcy 2m2 minutes ago
"We are not sure at this moment," FBI special agent says, noting that "it's too early in the investigation to say one way or another"
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[quote| author=austingirl link=topic=267268.msg1356624#msg1356624 date=1497449957]
Some ugly stuff on Twitter from the left- talking about karma for "NRA Tea Party" Scalise. Also calling for gun control, of course.
[/quote]
@austingirl
I would be surprised if that wasn't the case.
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... 'This kind of mindless violence must stop,' California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein said in a statement that hinted at her longstanding support for gun-control laws.
'Im dedicated to doing all I can to putting an end to these senseless tragedies.'
On the other side of the aisle, South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said he doesn't know who the shooter is 'or how he got a gun.'
'We've got plenty of gun laws,' Graham told a Bloomberg reporter. 'I own a gun. I don't go around shooting people with it.'
'People get shot, run over by cars, stabbed, it's just a crazy world,' he said. 'If we had that debate it'd end like it always ends. We're not going to tell law-abiding people they can't own a gun because of some nut-job.'
'One thing I hope we'll all do is just watch our words a little bit,' Graham added. 'Knock down the rhetoric. That'd be a good thing.' ...
Daily Mail (U.K.) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4603404/Steve-Scalise-aides-SHOT-baseball-practice.html)
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Since the perp in question asked the party affiliation of his victims, I think we can safely take the "random" card off the table.
I don't think they have determined it was the same guy. Maybe an accomplice?
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Since the perp in question asked the party affiliation of his victims, I think we can safely take the "random" card off the table.
If true.
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Rep. DeSantis who at baseball practice recalls: “A guy...walked up to us that was asking whether it was Republicans or Democrats out there.” pic.twitter.com/GwozCPRdve— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 14, 2017
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The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.fa1e5573555f
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https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson
Bernie Bro looks like?
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The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.fa1e5573555f
A quick look at Mr Hodgkinson's Facebook page kinda clears up the question of whether this shooting was politically motivated.
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Female Cap Hill Police Officer took the shooter down...she was shot in her ankle...and still returned fire..
Someone you'd want with you in that foxhole.
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From the Facebook page WTF referenced above:
T. Hodgkinson
March 22 ·
Change.org
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Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co.
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@andy58-in-nh
What makes you so sure the shooter wasn't the "designated hitter"?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bcYppAs6ZdI/hqdefault.jpg)
For all we know, he might be a "switch hitter"... :whistle:
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Nope, we know very little right now, and the speculation is at best premature.
@HorseHillary!
Kathy Griffin was all over the tv and the news after holding up a fake Trump head dripping blood on tv,and LOTS of lefties have been and are defending her.
You can't possibly be so blind you haven't see or heard about that.
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Assuming they've ID'd the right guy -
FB pages he's liked:
The GOP Left Me, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Best Video You Will Ever See, Tom Perriello, Hillary Clinton 2016, Rolling Stone, Bitecharge Buzz, Dan Rather, InspireMore, Our Voice, Dump Trump, Udemy, Pet Videos Daily, Newslo, Mr. Catfyshand more
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A quick look at Mr Hodgkinson's Facebook page kinda clears up the question of whether this shooting was politically motivated.
Yep Socialist, driven to shooting Republicans by the dangerous rhetoric of the Democrats and Socialists.
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The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.fa1e5573555f
WOW....Belleville, Il is my hometown....he is also my age.....asking hubby if he recognizes the name..
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Someone you'd want with you in that foxhole.
Only if she is strong enough to drag my shot up ass off the battlefield and back to the relative safety of a foxhole....
just say'n
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WOW....Belleville, Il is my hometown....he is also my age.....asking hubby if he recognizes the name..
Plot twist!!!!
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No matter the motive, we probably won't get to hear it. The MSM will revert to narratives about guns. This will be a "Ha ha ha. You got what you deserved for opposing gun control" moment for them.
The motive of the gunman is just an inconvenient optic.
@Restored
MY best guess is we are going to be bombarded with reports on how the gunman was a desperate man who lost control because "de ebil Republicans dun tooken mah Obama Care away!"
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When there is serious discussion about the liberal MSM being irresponsible and the mindset of the liberal left mental midgets, we can then discuss why controlling 3 million weapons in private hands is a really bad idea. Oh, and did I mention it's unconstitutional?
And did I mention it is closer to 300 million weapons in private hands?
Also nowadays people can make a gun out of anything. Just yesterday I watched a video in which a man took a bolt and made it into a pistol, complete with rifling in the barrel, and he used no fancy tools.
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@Restored
MY best guess is we are going to be bombarded with reports on how the gunman was a desperate man who lost control because "de ebil Republicans dun tooken mah Obama Care away!"
Nope. Socialist. Which means he supports gun control.
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A quick look at Mr Hodgkinson's Facebook page kinda clears up the question of whether this shooting was politically motivated.
Yes, a leftist. McAuliffe talked about gun violence and gun control, of course, even after saying it was not the time or place to talk about it.
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Yep Socialist, driven to shooting Republicans by the dangerous rhetoric of the Demorats and Socialists.
Considering what political advantage the democrats made with the Giffords shooting, even thought there was absolutely no link to republicans and conservatives, can you imagine what they could do to Sanders and the socialist cause with this one if they applied the same standard?
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his fb page
https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson
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@Freya
We are,and the Dims are now desperate. They thought they had a lock on the police state of their dreams,and then their Goddess was beaten by a loon with bad hair that had never even ran for dogcatcher before. This made them lose what little minds they had left.
I am thinking this might not work out as well for them as they believe it will. Look for LOTS of prominent lefties to be climbing aboard private jets and personal yachts and taking off for safer climes soon.
Do not underestimate them. They control the tech companies, and they can now build drones that can wipe out armies in the field at very low cost.
If you knew what I know of the subject, you would be very afraid to tangle with such people.
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FBI guy: pursuing all avenues- no, it was not an assassination attempt. :shrug:
So the main guy the guy sought to shot was the 3rd highest ranking GOP member,, and this isn't an. assassination attempt?
So quoting The Jerk, he was just a poor random bastard.
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@HorseHillary!
Kathy Griffin was all over the tv and the news after holding up a fake Trump head dripping blood on tv,and LOTS of lefties have been and are defending her.
You can't possibly be so blind you haven't see or heard about that.
Whatever, Pete.
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Considering what political advantage the democrats made with the Giffords shooting, even thought there was absolutely no link to republicans and conservatives, can you imagine what they could do to Sanders and the socialist cause with this one if they applied the same standard?
What makes you think they won't? The DNC were none to happy with Bernie and his Bros.
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https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson
Bernie Bro looks like?
a doppleganger!
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Absolutely its a nutjob - a nutjob motivated by overheated political rhetoric.
@skeeter
I am almost positive we are going to be hearing soon that either the shooter or one of his family members are sick or in rehab,and he lost control when the evil Republicans took away their Obomber Care.
Poor soul! Who can blame him,with all the terrible stress they put him under? Yup,I wrote the last sentence,but I can guarantee you it won't be the last time you see it written,and you may even hear it on tv,as the left rushes to make excuses for him and to blame the right.
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While it is always wise not to jump to conclusions, I am going to guess that the shooter's motivation had nothing to do with the designated hitter rule.
....or a Millennial, a product of 'Everybody gets a trophy', who could never hit the cut-off man and was cut from the team. ^-^
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So the main guy the guy sought to shot was the 3rd highest ranking GOP member,, and this isn't an. assassination attempt?
So quoting The Jerk, he was just a poor random bastard.
He hates those cans!
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OK, if this is the guy, he appears to be what many of us suspected:
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p160x160/150203_10209106231396851_3637119846899562471_n.jpg?oh=2d27a648ef56f3b241cf85bafe468a88&oe=59E41C49)
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What makes you think they won't? The DNC were none to happy with Bernie and his Bros.
They absolutely will not because they will be condemning themselves, their ideology and their own behavior.
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Looks he went to the same HS as hubby at the same time...weird
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I've been hearing this from assorted nutjobs on the internet since I started posting about politics on the net. Never happens.
Normies don't get as pissed as the internet screamers do about this crap.
Reminds me about the comment from that rich guy who went broke. They asked him how he went bankrupt. He said:
"Slowly at first, then all at once "
Some people don't seem to be familiar with the Exponential curve.
(http://xahlee.info/SpecialPlaneCurves_dir/ExponentialCurve_dir/exp_plot.png)
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Oliver DarcyVerified account @oliverdarcy 4m4 minutes ago
FBI: "Too early to tell if they were targeted or not"
Political motivation? FBI special agent says "not aware of that at all"
2 replies 16 retweets 11 likes
Oliver DarcyVerified account @oliverdarcy 2m2 minutes ago
"We are not sure at this moment," FBI special agent says, noting that "it's too early in the investigation to say one way or another"
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Like we can trust ANYTHING that comes out of the FBI given what we have witnessed over the last couple years.
Hillary and e-mails anyone?
They are just another arm of the Left to do political investigations on Conservatives and Republicans and work to enact the Leftist Agenda nothing else.
I have no confidence in ANY federal Alphabet agency, ZERO. I see them all as hostile tyrants to our liberties.
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From the Facebook page WTF referenced above:
T. Hodgkinson
March 22 ·
Change.org
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Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co.
I have to say - please pardon me - that that's a little relief politically speaking. Now it seems we can definitely hang this on the liberals/democrats and their rhetoric
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Hunch.
9 times out of 10 they're nutcases driven by outside rhetoric and have no real political opinions of their own. They tend to latch on to something in the final weeks or months before they act as if some great secret had been revealed to them.
The volume of threats s one of the reasons my job includes waking Drs, Nurses, Techs, and receptionists to their cars. Just yesterday the daytime porter warned me to keep an eye out for some clown they arrested in the lobby. He was apparently standing in the lobby yelling about Obamacare funding terrorism by way of all these "A-Rab" doctors. (who are mostly Indian) He's likely been turned loose by this morning. Before I hired in they had a guy rooting through the trash looking for aborted babies. The closest thing they do to abortion is chemotherapy and physical therapy. The rest of the building is dedicated to medical scanning like MRIs, CT scans, X rays, and ultrasound.
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OK, if this is the guy, he appears to be what many of us suspected:
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p160x160/150203_10209106231396851_3637119846899562471_n.jpg?oh=2d27a648ef56f3b241cf85bafe468a88&oe=59E41C49)
@Sanguine
I'm shocked, shocked by this turn of events I tell you! No one could have ever seen this coming.
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And did I mention it is closer to 300 million weapons in private hands?
Also nowadays people can make a gun out of anything. Just yesterday I watched a video in which a man took a bolt and made it into a pistol, complete with rifling in the barrel, and he used no fancy tools.
@DiogenesLamp
I made my first gun from a piece of 2x4 for the grip,duct tape,a nail,and a car antenna cut down to serve as a chamber for a 22 rim fire. I think I was 8.
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Remember, group damnation and group salvation are concepts of social justice philosophy. An individual is responsible for his own actions. Not alll gun owners aee blamed for the action of one nor should any other group.
Sure. Individual Nazis, or Communists, or ISIS members are probably decent people. We shouldn't judge them based on what the larger group does. Why that's just bigotry.
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Reminds me about the comment from that rich guy who went broke. They asked him how he went bankrupt. He said:
"Slowly at first, then all at once "
Some people don't seem to be familiar with the Exponential curve.
(http://xahlee.info/SpecialPlaneCurves_dir/ExponentialCurve_dir/exp_plot.png)
The best recent example of this was the fall of the Soviet Empire. Five years prior no one would've predicted such a dramatic development.
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@TomSea
Are you drunk? Where did I mention Hannity and Limbaugh?
I'll bring up that Kevlar-haired conspiracy moron and the morbidly obese has-been if they're related to the topic. So put your stupidity on hold and let's get back to the subject.
Believe he was responding to @Night Hides Not ....not you, @CatherineofAragon
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Nope. Socialist. Which means he supports gun control.
@Restored
Gee,and here I was thinking that socialists supported Obomber Care!
You watch,the media and the Dims are going to take up the cry that it wasn't his fault,but he was made into a desperate man by those heartless Republicans who took away his free medical care.
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9 times out of 10 they're nutcases driven by outside rhetoric and have no real political opinions of their own. They tend to latch on to something in the final weeks or months before they act as if some great secret had been revealed to them.
The volume of threats s one of the reasons my job includes waking Drs, Nurses, Techs, and receptionists to their cars. Just yesterday the daytime porter warned me to keep an eye out for some clown they arrested in the lobby. He was apparently standing in the lobby yelling about Obamacare funding terrorism by way of all these "A-Rab" doctors. (who are mostly Indian) He's likely been turned loose by this morning. Before I hired in they had a guy rooting through the trash looking for aborted babies. The closest thing they do to abortion is chemotherapy and physical therapy. The rest of the building is dedicated to medical scanning like MRIs, CT scans, X rays, and ultrasound.
I was wrong it was not a random nutjob. A nutjob, but a politically motivated one. Leftists are getting angrier and more violent. These incidents are becoming more common from them, too.
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Well... extreme political discourse + $20T Fedzilla defecit (blank check starts bouncing) + economic crash? I guess the sum is happiness, unicorns, and skittles.
I constantly see people referring to the 20 Trillion dollar national debt, but seldom noticing the 120 trillion dollar unfunded liabilities created by US Government social programs.
The above board 20 trillion is the lesser of our potential troubles.
Not saying with 100% certainty obviously, but this is the most anger and polarization I have seen in my lifetime since 1968. I just hope the it doesn't end up with an 1860 feel.
The 1860 thing never really ended. It is what created the Federal Leviathan in the first place, and we've had overbearing government ever since then.
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Do not underestimate them. They control the tech companies, and they can now build drones that can wipe out armies in the field at very low cost.
If you knew what I know of the subject, you would be very afraid to tangle with such people.
@DiogenesLamp
Yeah,probably not. I won't start anything,but I will step up to the line if called.
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All Mike Gallagher was saying was witness testimony says the gunman was shooting at Republicans and asked about who were the Republicans. Oh, no. Don't jump to any conclusions. *****rollingeyes*****
Baffling.
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Nancy PelosiVerified account @NancyPelosi 56m56 minutes ago
On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our thoughts for the wounded.
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James Hodgkinson, identified as culprit on fox news. Sorry if I am repeating any info.
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No matter the motive, we probably won't get to hear it. The MSM will revert to narratives about guns. This will be a "Ha ha ha. You got what you deserved for opposing gun control" moment for them.
The motive of the gunman is just an inconvenient optic.
As we have been engaging in the debate about deliberate media censorship in another thread, this is a good time to once more bring this up.
Conservatives running the broadcasting transmitters would focus on the climate of hatred created by the left and punctuated by the acts of Kathy Griffin and that Play in New York.
Liberals will of course focus on Gun Control.
The American people will be fed the Liberal version, and it will reinforce these ideas for some of them.
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David Limbaugh @DavidLimbaugh 43m43 minutes ago
I’ll hold comments about libs using this morning’s shootings to push gun control except to say this case doesn’t work in their favor.
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@TomSea
Are you drunk? Where did I mention Hannity and Limbaugh?
I'll bring up that Kevlar-haired conspiracy moron and the morbidly obese has-been if they're related to the topic. So put your stupidity on hold and let's get back to the subject.
@CatherineofAragon
That's better than your name calling, that's better than using this forum to concoct some sort of unsubstantiated attacks on FR with anecdotal information on this forum.
Otherwise, possibly bearing false witness.
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I have to say - please pardon me - that that's a little relief politically speaking. Now it seems we can definitely hang this on the liberals/democrats and their rhetoric
Relief?
Publicly the Left will scream and yell for gun control and demand safe spaces from 'broad brush accusations' and decrying the attack on freedom of speech while heralding this Revolutionista as a LION of the People and openly wishing for more of 'them' to follow the example he set on their own sickening social sites.
This may possibly become a trigger event for a lot of nasty stuff to shortly follow.
The civil society is unraveling. Because this is not just a lone nutcase deciding he has to go and kill elected officials he says are 'taking down the country' - This is a MOVEMENT that has people on both the Left and the Right talking about each other as 'enemies'.
Civil societies never come back from that brink that we have already surpassed.
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I was wrong it was not a random nutjob. A nutjob, but a politically motivated one. Leftists are getting angrier and more violent. These incidents are becoming more common from them, too.
As are the nutjobs on the right.
Pizzagate is a perfect example.
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Yeah, but that middle is shrinking rapidly. And its not just what you call internet screamers. Think about it, this country elected Donald Trump. How rational is that? A crash or a few more high profile events like today could blow the lid on this steam cooker.
Let us hope this trend continues and requires no further action on our part to marginalize the Liberal controlled media.
But I wouldn't count on it. Internet Media conglomerates are already censoring on line commentary with which they disagree, and they more or less own the bulk of the internet.
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Liz WheelerVerified account @Liz_Wheeler 26m26 minutes ago
VA Gov Terry McAuliffe talking about gun control. "Too many guns," he says.
A GUN STOPPED THE SHOOTER. My God.
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@mystery-ak Have you finished going thu your Hubbies old (http://y.cmcdn.com/yearbooks/e/8/2/b/e82b374dd1f5e0eb7ab36e2ffc0862c6/155/0001.jpg) year books
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James Hodgkinson of Illinois.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alexandria-shooting-suspect-identified-james-t-hodgkinson-article-1.3246836
Alleged shooter.
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I have to say - please pardon me - that that's a little relief politically speaking. Now it seems we can definitely hang this on the liberals/democrats and their rhetoric
Yes, it is.
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Nancy PelosiVerified account @NancyPelosi 56m56 minutes ago
On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our thoughts for the wounded.
Of course, on days when the democrats are exposed for their irresponsible, criminal, extreme rhetoric lets forget about politics.
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1. Hodgkinson Is a Supporter of Bernie Sanders & Democratic Socialism Who Wrote on Facebook, ‘Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.’
http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson-alexandria-gop-baseball-shooter-shooting-gunman-identified-illinois/
Jack dumpkopf.
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WOW....Belleville, Il is my hometown....he is also my age.....asking hubby if he recognizes the name..
Class of 69
http://bellevillewesthighschool.org/alumni/7313195/james-hodgekinson.html
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Nancy PelosiVerified account @NancyPelosi 56m56 minutes ago
On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our thoughts for the wounded.
*****rollingeyes*****
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As are the nutjobs on the right.
Pizzagate is a perfect example.
Yes, there are nutjobs on the right, but they - and "Pizzagate" - are irrelevant to this story, it appears.
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McAuliffe Calls For Gun Control After Republican Shooting: "We Lose 93 Million People A Day"
RealClearPolitics, Jun 14, 2017
Video at link:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/14/mcauliffe_calls_for_gun_control_after_republican_shooting_we_lose_93_million_people_a_day.html
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So the US should be bereft of people in a few days? Good to know.
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Nancy PelosiVerified account @NancyPelosi 56m56 minutes ago
On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our thoughts for the wounded.
Surprisingly classy coming from her.
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@mystery-ak Have you finished going thu your Hubbies old (http://y.cmcdn.com/yearbooks/e/8/2/b/e82b374dd1f5e0eb7ab36e2ffc0862c6/155/0001.jpg) year books
There are/were two HS in Belleville at the time..East and West...Mike went to West for the first 2 years and then transferred to East after it was completed....so he graduated from East...he only bought his senior yearbook from East...damn him...no yearbooks from West...
Lindenwood College has taken over West's campus
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Ain't gonna work with anyone but your wacko faithful, Guv. The Great Middle is getting wise to your ridiculously predictable bulls*t.
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@Sanguine
I'm shocked, shocked by this turn of events I tell you! No one could have ever seen this coming.
I know, right? But, for a bit I was afraid it would be something else.
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That's a lot of people. You'd think that would make the news more often. *****rollingeyes*****
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Sure. Individual Nazis, or Communists, or ISIS members are probably decent people. We shouldn't judge them based on what the larger group does. Why that's just bigotry.
I guess you missed that the post I was responding to was democrats blaming all gun owners.
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There are/were two HS in Belleville at the time..East and West...Mike went to West for the first 2 years and then transferred to East after it was completed....so he graduated from East...he only bought his senior yearbook from East...damn him...no yearbooks from West...
@mystery-ak Looks like he (Thompson) attended West in 1969.
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Only if she is strong enough to drag my shot up ass off the battlefield and back to the relative safety of a foxhole....
just say'n
You're kinda missing the point.
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Terry McAuliffe- if 93 million Americans die from gun violence everyday, we would have been extinct a long time ago.
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He's running for Pres, isn't he?
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Liz WheelerVerified account @Liz_Wheeler 26m26 minutes ago
VA Gov Terry McAuliffe talking about gun control. "Too many guns," he says.
A GUN STOPPED THE SHOOTER. My God.
@mystery-ak
I can't begin to express how much I despise this filthy piece of human garbage.
What about his security detail, do they have too many guns?
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Surprisingly classy coming from her.
And, surprisingly coherent.
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If true.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/breaking-house-majority-whip-steve-scalise-aides-shot-baseball-practice/
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And, surprisingly coherent.
Pelosi's coherence probably declines rapidly after noon.
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@mystery-ak Looks like he (Thompson) attended West in 1969.
Mike graduated in 68......I went to Althoff Catholic HS and graduated in 69
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*****rollingeyes*****
Yeah...like she really means what she's saying.
I agree with you. *****rollingeyes*****
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So the US should be bereft of people in a few days? Good to know.
Cool. I'll finally be able to get premium box seats at this weekend's Giants/Rockies game.
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DEAR CNN: Gunman Wanted To, ‘KILL As Many REPUBLICANS As Possible’ – Is THAT ‘News?’
CNN will likely be talking about this shooting non-stop. But do you think that they’re going to focus on THAT aspect?
Nope.
It’s going to be all about the guns and how the shooter got the guns.
Reports say that the gunman had a rifle and then, perhaps when he ran out of ammo, used a pistol.
Rep. Mark Walker (R-NC) told NBC News that the shooter ‘was there to kill as many Republican
http://clashdaily.com/category/news/
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The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.fa1e5573555f
Appears to be a Bernie Nut from his Facist book page.
https://m.facebook.com/jthodgkinson
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Cool. I'll finally be able to get premium box seats at this weekend's Giants/Rockies game.
Yes, but it may be a really, really slow game.
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Nice to see that the Clinton's bag man McUseless isn't letting a tragedy go to waste.
Hey Terry eff off right now ok.
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James T. Hodgkinson
March 22 ·
Change.org
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Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.
James T. Hodgkinson
December 25, 2016 ·
Change.org
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We Don’t Need or Deserve a Billionaire for President. There will Always be a Conflict of Interest. Millionaires are Bad Enough.
James T. Hodgkinson
August 12, 2016 ·
Change.org
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I want Bernie to Win the White House.
From his facebook page:
A Petition for: The legal impeachment and or legal removal of The President & Vice President, et al., for Treason and Misprision of Treason.
Petitioning THE US SENATE and 8 others IMPEACH: Legal Removal of President & Vice President, et al., for Misprision of Treason
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Terry McAuliffe- if 93 million Americans die from gun violence everyday, we would have been extinct a long time ago.
According to my quick calculations that would wipe out the current population of the USA in just over 3.5 days!
He's an IDIOT!
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As are the nutjobs on the right.
Pizzagate is a perfect example.
As a general remark, Nutjobs of the right, etc.
One can easily say now, the culprit is an anti-Trumper yet, if one said this, that post would be moderated. So, I hope the moderators might possibly look into this and its not just this post but a number in this thread.
As usual, we see a baffling statement where the "right" is criticized by those who purport to be conservative yet, name-called over someone calling the SPLC unwelcome here and said "who cares" about Obama using the "n" word. I don't mean to nitpick but there seems to be an inconsistency here and it hardly sounds like a Ted Cruz supporter would say such things.
Not trying to nitpick; but this is getting tiring.
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One of these days...talking heads...political pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle need to wake up pull their heads out and realize their heated inflammatory remarks have consequences.
All the stupid talk of revenge...watering the tree of Liberty..."the next civil war"...plays about killing the President...supposedly funny people holding up mock severed heads of a President all at some point will motivate people to do idiotic BS like this guy today.
I'll be glad when people who have a bully pulpit begin to think before they speak or hit send on a blog posting.
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https://www.facebook.com/jthodgkinson
(While it's still available)
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@DiogenesLamp
I made my first gun from a piece of 2x4 for the grip,duct tape,a nail,and a car antenna cut down to serve as a chamber for a 22 rim fire. I think I was 8.
The old "zip gun" . I would be afraid to shoot with a barrel made from a car antenna. I don't see how it could possibly contain the pressure.
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Fortunately it appears that the gunman was a really bad shot.
@Cripplecreek
That is what I thought - with that many shots, many should have been shot. Thank god Scalise's guards were there and shot the shooter.
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According to my quick calculations that would wipe out the current population of the USA in just over 3.5 days!
He's an IDIOT!
Yes, he is @Bigun And, on behalf of Virginia, I apologize for this nutjob.
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Surprisingly classy coming from her.
Nah. She's setting it up so she can accuse anyone who calls democrats to account for their rhetoric, which obviously is responsible for increasing violence, of 'politicizing' the tragedy.
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... Rep. Mo Brooks (R., Ala.) was asked hours after witnessing the shooting of one of his colleagues if the incident had changed his views on gun rights, but he said he remained supportive of the Second Amendment.
Brooks was present when House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R., La.) and three others were wounded Wednesday by a gunman in Alexandria, Va., during a baseball practice for Republican congressmen.
A reporter at a press conference asked Brooks if the shooting changed his view on the "gun situation" in America.
"Not with respect to the Second Amendment," Brooks said. "The Second Amendment right to bear arms is to help ensure that we always have a republic. And as with any constitutional provision in the Bill of Rights, there are adverse aspects to each of those rights that we enjoy as people, and what we just saw here is one of the bad side effects of someone not exercising those rights properly."
He added, "We are not going to get rid of freedom of speech" simply because some people say ugly things, or get rid of the Fourth Amendment's search and seizure rights because some criminals could go free on technicalities.
"These rights are there to protect Americans, and while each of them has a negative aspect to them, they are fundamental to our being the greatest nation in world history. So no, I'm not changing my position on any of the rights we enjoy as Americans," he said. ...
Full story at Free Beacon (http://freebeacon.com/issues/brooks-expresses-second-amendment-support-after-being-asked-if-scalise-shooting-changed-his-views/)
Amen. And the reporter is an idiot.
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My Congressman
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337742-gop-rep-shooting-a-result-of-political-rhetorical-terrorism
GOP rep: Shooting a result of 'political, rhetorical terrorism'
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As a general remark, Nutjobs of the right, etc.
One can easily say now, the culprit is an anti-Trumper yet, if one said this, that post would be moderated. So, I hope the moderators might possibly look into this and its not just this post but a number in this thread.
As usual, we see a baffling statement where the "right" is criticized by those who purport to be conservative yet, name-called over someone calling the SPLC unwelcome here and said "who cares" about Obama using the "n" word. I don't mean to nitpick but there seems to be an inconsistency here and it hardly sounds like a Ted Cruz supporter would say such things.
Not trying to nitpick; but this is getting tiring.
If it's tiring it may be because you are trying to fight battles that no one else here is interested in fighting.
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Pres reporting that shooter has died..
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The best recent example of this was the fall of the Soviet Empire. Five years prior no one would've predicted such a dramatic development.
Exactly my point. Saying something will never happen because it hasn't happened so far shows a lack of understanding about social forces and change.
Often they build slowly, then let go all at once. Like an avalanche, they are damned hard to predict, but you can often see the signs of something building.
One of my Favorite Scientists in History was Leo Szilard. He got on a train leaving Germany hours before they closed the borders to Jews trying to escape, seemingly as if he knew exactly when things would break.
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Mike BastaschVerified account @MikeBastasch
Trump says the shooter has died
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Pres reporting that shooter has died..
Too bad he can't be questioned- doubt if he was earlier.
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Melania TrumpVerified account @FLOTUS 2h2 hours ago
Thank you to the first responders who rushed in to help protect those who were hurt in Alexandria, VA. My thoughts & prayers to everyone!
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DanRiehl @DanRiehl 1m1 minute ago
One of shooter's public FB groups: Terminate The Republican Party
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Charlie SpieringVerified account @charliespiering 2m2 minutes ago
“Congressman Scalise is a friend… and a fighter” says Trump
0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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As are the nutjobs on the right.
Pizzagate is a perfect example.
What information do you have that debunks "Pizzagate"? I would like to see it.
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One of these days...talking heads...political pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle need to wake up pull their heads out and realize their heated inflammatory remarks have consequences.
Really @txradioguy ... NOW you want fair and balanced? Who the hell has been calling for impeachment and resistance since Nov. 9th?
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Exactly my point. Saying something will never happen because it hasn't happened so far shows a lack of understanding about social forces and change.
Often they build slowly, then let go all at once. Like an avalanche, they are damned hard to predict, but you can often see the signs of something building.
One of my Favorite Scientists in History was Leo Szilard. He got on a train leaving Germany hours before they closed the borders to Jews trying to escape, seemingly as if he knew exactly when things would break.
Yes, I think of it as the critical angle in physics. You keep pouring sand until it reaches a point when the whole thing goes.
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What information do you have that debunks "Pizzagate"? I would like to see it.
:facepalm:
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Pres reporting that shooter has died..
Good. We will not have to pay for providing for his miserable carcass for the rest of his life.
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Trump gave a good speech...no way to fault it.
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Nah. She's setting it up so she can accuse anyone who calls democrats to account for their rhetoric, which obviously is responsible for increasing violence, of 'politicizing' the tragedy.
My take as well.
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Really @txradioguy ... NOW you want fair and balanced? Who the hell has been calling for impeachment and resistance since Nov. 9th?
Maybe you could save that for another time and place.
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:facepalm:
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
*passing over the wine bottle*
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If it's tiring it may be because you are trying to fight battles that no one else here is interested in fighting.
I just asked on twitter if Trump was particularly quiet this morning and had a Trumper screech in all caps that I'm a terrorist. :shrug:
Crazy is all around us.
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One of these days...talking heads...political pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle need to wake up pull their heads out and realize their heated inflammatory remarks have consequences.
All the stupid talk of revenge...watering the tree of Liberty..."the next civil war"...plays about killing the President...supposedly funny people holding up mock severed heads of a President all at some point will motivate people to do idiotic BS like this guy today.
I'll be glad when people who have a bully pulpit begin to think before they speak or hit send on a blog posting.
:amen:
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Exactly my point. Saying something will never happen because it hasn't happened so far shows a lack of understanding about social forces and change.
Anyone watching or reading the sands shifting into the hole at the bottom of the cultural glass should recognize that the civil society as we once knew it in this country is over.
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Trump gave a good speech...no way to fault it.
"....and how does that make you feel?"
just a little psychiatrist joke. :laugh:
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
*passing over the wine bottle*
Save a pull for me*
*Looks like I picked a bad month to give up alcohol.
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DEAR CNN: Gunman Wanted To, ‘KILL As Many REPUBLICANS As Possible’ – Is THAT ‘News?’
CNN will likely be talking about this shooting non-stop. But do you think that they’re going to focus on THAT aspect?
Nope.
It’s going to be all about the guns and how the shooter got the guns.
Reports say that the gunman had a rifle and then, perhaps when he ran out of ammo, used a pistol.
Rep. Mark Walker (R-NC) told NBC News that the shooter ‘was there to kill as many Republican
http://clashdaily.com/category/news/
Cathy Griffin could not be reached for comment.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCSWPATUQAAGt2S.jpg)
(http://www.modstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nothingliketasteofcrow-THX.png)
@txradioguy
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:facepalm:
Posting silly pictures is not an answer to the question. I've seen information that makes it look as if there is something to "Pizzagate." If someone has information that shows this is not the case, I would like to see it.
I do not accept "Everyone knows that!" as "evidence."
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"....and how does that make you feel?"
just a little psychiatrist joke. :laugh:
@DCPatriot
I've given him credit before when I thought he deserved it. Doesn't make me feel anything.
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Save a pull for me*
*Looks like I picked a bad month to give up alcohol.
(https://i.imgflip.com/139rxc.jpg)
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Save a pull for me*
*Looks like I picked a bad month to give up alcohol.
@Wingnut
Lol, you'd best get over here quick. :laugh:
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(https://i.imgflip.com/139rxc.jpg)
Yep..that too!
:beer:
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One of these days...talking heads...political pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle need to wake up pull their heads out and realize their heated inflammatory remarks have consequences.
All the stupid talk of revenge...watering the tree of Liberty..."the next civil war"...plays about killing the President...supposedly funny people holding up mock severed heads of a President all at some point will motivate people to do idiotic BS like this guy today.
I'll be glad when people who have a bully pulpit begin to think before they speak or hit send on a blog posting.
Just like Obama telegraphs that rioting and shooting cops is OK, Trump has made it clear that the media are a legitimate target ("A clear and present danger")
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One of these days...talking heads...political pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle need to wake up pull their heads out and realize their heated inflammatory remarks have consequences.
All the stupid talk of revenge...watering the tree of Liberty..."the next civil war"...plays about killing the President...supposedly funny people holding up mock severed heads of a President all at some point will motivate people to do idiotic BS like this guy today.
I'll be glad when people who have a bully pulpit begin to think before they speak or hit send on a blog posting.
Sorry. I just don't see the two sides of the ideological scale as being anywhere near equivalent.
The left is winning the 'hate-filled rhetoric and calls for violence' contest going away.
Naming one or two obscure right wing internet hate sites isn't going to convince anyone.
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@Wingnut
Lol, you'd best get over here quick. :laugh:
Save some for me?
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Just like Obama telegraphs that rioting and shooting cops is OK, Trump has made it clear that the media are a legitimate target ("A clear and present danger")
With your affinity for circular logic I am amazed you don't need watering twice a day.
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(http://whistleblower-newswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/image007-3.png)
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Sorry. I just don't see the two sides of the ideological scale as being anywhere near equivalent.
The left is winning the 'hate-filled rhetoric and calls for violence' contest going away.
Naming one or two obscure right wing internet hate sites isn't going to convince anyone.
Give me a break.
On this very site someone proposed marching on Washington DC with guns.
I don't see either side as better with calls to violence any more.
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Naming one or two obscure right wing internet hate sites isn't going to convince anyone.
It's not just "one or two obscure right wing internet sites"
There is just as much hatred and calls for violence on the right as there is on the left.
Pretending one side is worse than the other just exacerbates the problem.
Just take a look at the people here that call for violence...and the others that cheer them on...to see what I'm talking about.
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Save some for me?
Take mine. I'll catch up later!
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Give me a break.
On this very site someone proposed marching on Washington DC with guns.
I don't see either side as better with calls to violence any more.
Extremists on both sides feel justified in their calls for violence and revenge or "resistance"...hence the reason they will defend their actions as perfectly legitimate and reasonable.
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Posting silly pictures is not an answer to the question. I've seen information that makes it look as if there is something to "Pizzagate." If someone has information that shows this is not the case, I would like to see it.
I do not accept "Everyone knows that!" as "evidence."
Like I said before, I can't say what I really think because it would cause me to lose my standing here.
I'm not going to debate the merits of a child molestation conspiracy theory based on a pizza shop.
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Not a single person besides LEO packing there? I'll go ahead and guess that is going to change.
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Extremists on both sides feel justified in their calls for violence and revenge or "resistance"...hence the reason they will defend their actions as perfectly legitimate and reasonable.
Unfortunately todays headlines do not bear out your hypothesis.
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My God, people are going insane...
@CatherineofAragon
Going? Already gone, I would say. It is an entirely predictable outcome from the worldview that the Democratic party has been promoting for the last 10 years or so. When you believe that your political opponents don't just have a different view, but are instead evil incarnate, what isn't justified?
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Not a single person besides LEO packing there? I'll go ahead and guess that is going to change.
@don-o
Not in that part of Virginia and the District. If anything McAwful and company will use this to try and clamp back down on gun laws in the area.
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@don-o
Not in that part of Virginia and the District. If anything McAwful and company will use this to try and clamp back down on gun laws in the area.
The DC mayor and council hate guns being in the hands of law abiding victims..
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The DC mayor and council hate guns being in the hands of law abiding victims..
Glad to see things haven't changed since I lived there. **nononono*
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It's not just "one or two obscure right wing internet sites"
There is just as much hatred and calls for violence on the right as there is on the left.
Pretending one side is worse than the other just exacerbates the problem.
Just take a look at the people here that call for violence...and the others that cheer them on...to see what I'm talking about.
I work in a medical environment that many on the right now consider to be left wing (Politics are strictly off limits there) and the threats I see seem to be coming from the right almost exclusively. Sadly I agree with the core issues of many of their complaints but there is no such thing as good irrationality and they are only driving me away. Not to the left, but away.
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@CatherineofAragon
Going? Already gone, I would say. It is an entirely predictable outcome from the worldview that the Democratic party has been promoting for the last 10 years or so. When you believe that your political opponents don't just have a different view, but are instead evil incarnate, what isn't justified?
This is my point. Not to say there aren't wackos on both sides, there always have been; but its clearly the left that has institutionalized the hatred and is driving things to a violent conclusion.
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@don-o
Not in that part of Virginia and the District. If anything McAwful and company will use this to try and clamp back down on gun laws in the area.
Can't pack during the work week, unfortunately; my employer has rules against even having the firearm in the car. A few years back there was an enployee who had his car, which was parked on campus, broken into. He told the police that a pistol was one of the items stolen. The police then notified corporate security about this. They let HR know. He was fired.
I would love to see legislation making it illegal for the company to restrict what is in MY car, even if parked in one of their parking garages. But realistically, in Washington State, that's not going to happen. I am more concerned with preventing them from eroding my rights further.
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Some a$$ on FNC suggested the shooting was the result of Shakespeare in the Park and of course, lil eric just repeated that insanity.
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I work in a medical environment that many on the right now consider to be left wing (Politics are strictly off limits there) and the threats I see seem to be coming from the right almost exclusively. Sadly I agree with the core issues of many of their complaints but there is no such thing as good irrationality and they are only driving me away. Not to the left, but away.
@Cripplecreek I know exactly what you mean.
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Shooter's name is James Hodgkinson (sp?). Sanders supporter from social media accounts.
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I work in a medical environment that many on the right now consider to be left wing (Politics are strictly off limits there) and the threats I see seem to be coming from the right almost exclusively. Sadly I agree with the core issues of many of their complaints but there is no such thing as good irrationality and they are only driving me away. Not to the left, but away.
@Cripplecreek
With all due respect, couldn't that be because you frequent mostly right-leaning media? The actual violence, not just the talking, seems to me to be coming almost exclusively from the lefties.
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So Ivanka is correct, about the level of viciousness.
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Save some for me?
@Sanguine
For you, I'll pull out a glass!
(http://i.imgur.com/cvtkiBb.gif)
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@don-o
Not in that part of Virginia and the District. If anything McAwful and company will use this to try and clamp back down on gun laws in the area.
Well yeah. But the fact that but for the presence of the armed detail, this would have been a blood bath. Gun laws or not; self preservation is going to rule.
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Just like Obama telegraphs that rioting and shooting cops is OK, Trump has made it clear that the media are a legitimate target ("A clear and present danger")
If you are talking about that thread on the "politics" forum, that article was written by Sarah Hoyt, an Author and Co-Blogger of Glenn Reynolds over at "Instapundit."
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This is my point. Its clearly the left that is driving things to a violent conclusion.
The view of most liberals I know (family members, friends, relatives) and of those I read on lib websites is that conservatives are the crazy people.
That is not the conclusion I come to after reading most of the literature and hearing most of the words from both sides.
Far right nut militarist and race groups notwithstanding, the left side definitely has the decided edge on lunatic members. They're the ones who are convinced that since they have a lock on the truth, everybody else i.e. conservative Republicans, have no right to speak or even exist.
Hodgkinson is the logical result of many decades of hate focused on conservative Americans by the media and liberal pols.
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Some a$$ on FNC suggested the shooting was the result of Shakespeare in the Park and of course, lil eric just repeated that insanity.
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I remember when Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford was shot.
The media and the Dems went nuts blaming Sarah Palin for her ads with a target sign targetting Gifford's district as one of those the Republicans consider vital to win the House. They blamed Palin for what the shooter did.
(http://res.cloudinary.com/thedailybeast/image/upload/v1493066411/articles/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-dont-blame-sarah-palin/kurtz-palin_151626_ca4eah.jpg)
Now.... TOTAL SILENCE. Nothing on Kattie Griffin's Trump severed head, nothing on Trump as Julius Cesar being assassinated in New York's artsy "Shakespeare in the Park"
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It's not just "one or two obscure right wing internet sites"
There is just as much hatred and calls for violence on the right as there is on the left.
What websites are you reading? Perhaps you should read others. I'm not seeing that in the places I go.
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Well yeah. But the fact that but for the presence of the armed detail, this would have been a blood bath. Gun laws or not; self preservation is going to rule.
We can only hope self preservation rules the day. Perhaps the Secret Service needs to get some CCW permits quickly approved for members of the Executive and those that are willing to carry in the House and Senate.
Back to the days of Reagan when even the POTUS kept a .38 in his briefcase.
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Like I said before, I can't say what I really think because it would cause me to lose my standing here.
I'm not going to debate the merits of a child molestation conspiracy theory based on a pizza shop.
And you aren't going to provide any evidence to support your claim either.
How about another silly picture?
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I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
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Reuters PoliticsVerified account @ReutersPolitics 10m10 minutes ago
BREAKING: Senator Bernie Sanders says suspected gunman in Virginia attack 'apparently volunteered' on his 2016 presidential campaign
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I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
:thumbsup3:
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The Shooter's Facebook page
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I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
I checked his FB page and we aren't *liked*...lol
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I have to say - please pardon me - that that's a little relief politically speaking. Now it seems we can definitely hang this on the liberals/democrats and their rhetoric
Looking forward the SPLC listing change.org as a hate organization. /s :bullie smokin:
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THIS IS FROM HIS YELP BUSINESS REVIEWS. THE SCARY THING IS HE LOOKS ABSOLUTELY NORMAL....
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I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
I have never seen any poster here call or condone violence..give me a link?
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@Cripplecreek
With all due respect, couldn't that be because you frequent mostly right-leaning media? The actual violence, not just the talking, seems to me to be coming almost exclusively from the lefties.
I agree. The left has taken violent talk to extremes most of us would never do.
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Here's an interesting question : How does a schlub like this guy know that the Congressmen are playing a baseball game?
This isn't very public knowledge. It isn't even in the news.
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@Sanguine
For you, I'll pull out a glass!
(http://i.imgur.com/cvtkiBb.gif)
I am honored!
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@Rivergirl @txradioguy
Of course the shakespear in the park didn't cause this event. According to the shooters wife he had moved to the area two months ago. He's probably been thinking/planning something like this for much longer.
When people or groups go public with pretend violence against high profile people its not really art. Its an expression from their heart. Each showing of a decapitated head or mock assassination makes actual violence more acceptable for folks on the edge like this guy.
Remember when Gabby Gifords was shot. The left was blaming Sarah Palins use of a crosshairs graphic in her political ads. Now they want to pretend that something much more graphic and specific had no impact?
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What websites are you reading? Perhaps you should read others. I'm not seeing that in the places I go.
Then perhaps you need to read TBR a little closer to start with. There are people here that are all for the next Civil War...watering the tree of Liberty...declaring war on media figures and politicians they don't like...or seeking violent retribution against fellow TBR members who didn't vote for or are critical of the person they voted for to be the next President.
But in the meantime:
Ron Paul: "We need a revolution"
https://www.rt.com/shows/politicking-larry-king/384381-ron-paul-we-need-revolution/
Alex Jones: Live Free or Die
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=infowars+watering+the+tree+of+liberty&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl
Ex Congressman: "If Trump Loses I'm Grabbing My Musket"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-protest-tweet/
Sharron Angle Joins Calls for Armed Revolution in America
http://www.newsweek.com/sharron-angle-joins-calls-armed-revolution-america-73641
Conservative radio host Alex Jones calls for Clinton to face 'firing squad'
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/07/21/conservative-radio-host-alex-jones-calls-for-clinton-to-face-fi/21436157/
On that last one Jones was actually agreeing with Trump VA advisor Al Baldasaro.
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Then perhaps you need to read TBR a little closer to start with. There are people here that are all for the next Civil War...watering the tree of Liberty...declaring war on media figures and politicians they don't like...or seeking violent retribution against fellow TBR members who didn't vote for or are critical of the person they voted for to be the next President.
But in the meantime:
Ron Paul: "We need a revolution"
https://www.rt.com/shows/politicking-larry-king/384381-ron-paul-we-need-revolution/
Alex Jones: Live Free or Die
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=infowars+watering+the+tree+of+liberty&safe=active&gws_rd=ssl
Ex Congressman: "If Trump Loses I'm Grabbing My Musket"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/joe-walsh-donald-trump-protest-tweet/
Sharron Angle Joins Calls for Armed Revolution in America
http://www.newsweek.com/sharron-angle-joins-calls-armed-revolution-america-73641
Conservative radio host Alex Jones calls for Clinton to face 'firing squad'
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/07/21/conservative-radio-host-alex-jones-calls-for-clinton-to-face-fi/21436157/
On that last one Jones was actually agreeing with Trump VA advisor Al Baldasaro.
TRB, love you, but Alex Jones is not conservative. He's an anarchist/libertarian nutcase.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267159.msg1356136.html#msg1356136
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@Rivergirl @txradioguy
Of course the shakespear in the park didn't cause this event. According to the shooters wife he had moved to the area two months ago. He's probably been thinking/planning something like this for much longer.
When people or groups go public with pretend violence against high profile people its not really art. Its an expression from their heart. Each showing of a decapitated head or mock assassination makes actual violence more acceptable for folks on the edge like this guy.
Remember when Gabby Gifords was shot. The left was blaming Sarah Palins use of a crosshairs graphic in her political ads. Now they want to pretend that something much more graphic and specific had no impact?
Typical selective memory of the left...and also one of those innate traits of a being a Liberal...the ability to take any side of any subject at any time so as to never ever be wrong.
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TRB, love you, but Alex Jones is not conservative. He's an anarchist/libertarian nutcase.
Oh I know he is. But he's held in high regard by some people here as a rational voice in America.
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Rush is talking about this today. Giving factual examples of things the left has said that would, logically, incite others to this kind of violence against Republicans (and/or against Trump).
Rush is spot-on about the deliberate incitement of violence by the rabid left, IMO.
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It is the atmosphere that the 'rats have created, beginning with Barack Hussein Obama
and the police shootings.
This assassination attempt can be laid at their feet.
Bastards, all.
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Rush is talking about this today. Giving factual examples of things the left has said that would, logically, incite others to this kind of violence against Republicans (and/or against Trump).
Rush is spot-on about the deliberate incitement of violence by the rabid left, IMO.
Yes, Rush is a smart man. Too bad he's destroyed his credibility.
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Typical selective memory of the left...and also one of those innate traits of a being a Liberal...the ability to take any side of any subject at any time so as to never ever be wrong.
The difference is.... when the idiots on the left play "Devil's Advocate".... they're not playing the Advocate....lol.
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Yes, Rush is a smart man. Too bad he's destroyed his credibility.
I don't see or believe that he has.
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Malcolm HarrisVerified account @BigMeanInternet
If the shooter has a serious health condition then is taking potshots at the GOP house leadership considered self defense?
Malcolm is an employee of VOX.
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I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
@240B
I can't wait to find out which "neverTrumps" have implied violence. I know you'll provide evidence and name some names.
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It is the atmosphere that the 'rats have created, beginning with Barack Hussein Obama
and the police shootings.
This assassination attempt can be laid at their feet.
Bastards, all.
You know how difficult it is for the radical leftists to focus on more than one thing at a time. With the Trump and GOP win, they have taken their focus off of the police (whiteys) and are now focused on destroying the Trump administration and the GOP (more whiteys).
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Give me a break.
On this very site someone proposed marching on Washington DC with guns.
I don't see either side as better with calls to violence any more.
I remember at the TOS there was a lot of people calling for a another Civil War almost everyday.
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I don't see or believe that he has.
OK, to be completely accurate: "Rush has destroyed his credibility with me and many others."
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I am honored!
@Sanguine
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The difference is.... when the idiots on the left play "Devil's Advocate".... they're not playing the Advocate....lol.
LOL! True.
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And you aren't going to provide any evidence to support your claim either.
How about another silly picture?
Some silly pictures might loosen folks up a little....
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:thumbsup3:
Considering your previous insinuations of violence that you've been reprimanded for on this forum...you should really avoid giving a thumbs up to anyone right now.
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Then perhaps you need to read TBR a little closer to start with. There are people here that are all for the next Civil War...watering the tree of Liberty...declaring war on media figures and politicians they don't like...or seeking violent retribution against fellow TBR members who didn't vote for or are critical of the person they voted for to be the next President.
I haven't seen anybody calling for it, but i've seen many people who proffer the opinion that one is coming and that they are ready for it. I have seen people urge others to be ready for it. I have seen people discuss what might likely happen in the event of one. I have not seen anyone suggesting that we should initiate violence of any sort.
The Antifa corps on the other hand says stuff like "Let's go into the streets and bring back 100 Nazi scalps."
Black Lives Matters supporters have been heard to say "Burn that Mother F***er down!"
On college campuses the left is actually patrolling with thugs with clubs looking for some "right winger" to beat.
At Berkley they threatened physical violence several times, and implemented it several times. One Trump supporter was hit in the head with a chain that had a bicycle lock on the end of it.
Oh, and pretty much all of the political assassinations in our History (and I think that of the world as well) was from the Anarchist/ Socialist parts of our society. (Meaning the left.)
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I haven't seen anybody calling for it, but i've seen many people who proffer the opinion that one is coming and that they are ready for it. I have seen people urge others to be ready for it. I have seen people discuss what might likely happen in the event of one. I have not seen anyone suggesting that we should initiate violence of any sort.
We don't choose war, but sometimes war chooses us.
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OK, to be completely accurate: "Rush has destroyed his credibility with me and many others."
Well.... I am aware that Rush became persona non gratia with a lot of folks as soon as he came out in support of Trump. So your revised statement is more accurate. ^-^
But I know Rush pretty well by now .... have listened to him for decades. I think his support of Trump was, in his mind, more a case of being in support of what is best for America at the moment.... (ie NOT Hillary Clinton).
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I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
@240B
That may be one of the silliest things I have heard at TBR. Care to provide some examples of those 12?
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Well.... I am aware that Rush became persona non gratia with a lot of folks as soon as he came out in support of Trump. So your revised statement is more accurate. ^-^
But I know Rush pretty well by now .... have listened to him for decades. I think his support of Trump was, in his mind, more a case of being in support of what is best for America at the moment.... (ie NOT Hillary Clinton).
Not to mention that Trump was a golfing buddy.
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I have never seen any poster here call or condone violence..give me a link?
It's wonderful to have your board smeared as housing potential mass shooters by both the Left AND Trump fanatics isn't it?
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Well.... I am aware that Rush became persona non gratia with a lot of folks as soon as he came out in support of Trump. So your revised statement is more accurate. ^-^
But I know Rush pretty well by now .... have listened to him for decades. I think his support of Trump was, in his mind, more a case of being in support of what is best for America at the moment.... (ie NOT Hillary Clinton).
Oh, I don't question that he had worked out some kind of justification for his actions.
And, I too, had listened to Rush for decades.
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@240B
I can't wait to find out which "neverTrumps" have implied violence. I know you'll provide evidence and name some names.
@CatherineofAragon
I would like to know that too. Of course I don't read every comment, but I don't recall ever seeing such a thing here.
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I haven't seen anybody calling for it, but i've seen many people who proffer the opinion that one is coming and that they are ready for it. I have seen people urge others to be ready for it. I have seen people discuss what might likely happen in the event of one. I have not seen anyone suggesting that we should initiate violence of any sort.
The Antifa corps on the other hand says stuff like "Let's go into the streets and bring back 100 Nazi scalps."
Black Lives Matters supporters have been heard to say "Burn that Mother F***er down!"
On college campuses the left is actually patrolling with thugs with clubs looking for some "right winger" to beat.
At Berkley they threatened physical violence several times, and implemented it several times. One Trump supporter was hit in the head with a chain that had a bicycle lock on the end of it.
Oh, and pretty much all of the political assassinations in our History (and I think that of the world as well) was from the Anarchist/ Socialist parts of our society. (Meaning the left.)
Not surprised at all you only choose to see selectively what you want to.
Like I said...the extremists on both sides will always find a way to justify and rationalize the violence they incite through deeds and words.
You're doing a great job of highlighting what I'm talking about.
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College professor: Republicans ‘should be lined up and shot’
“They should be lined up and shot,” Professor John Griffin posted to his Facebook, according to a screenshot of the post obtained by Campus Reform, even clarifying that he wasn’t being hyperbolic, saying “that’s not hyperbole; blood is on their hands.”
In another post made just two minutes after his initial comments, Griffin blasted Republican lawmakers as “a bleep joke,” then turning his attention to their voters, whom he insulted as running “the gamut from monstrous to ignorant.”
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/college-professor-republicans-should-be-lined-up-and-shot
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OK, to be completely accurate: "Rush has destroyed his credibility with me and many others."
Mega Dittos on that score!
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I haven't seen anybody calling for it, but i've seen many people who proffer the opinion that one is coming and that they are ready for it. I have seen people urge others to be ready for it. I have seen people discuss what might likely happen in the event of one. I have not seen anyone suggesting that we should initiate violence of any sort.
The Antifa corps on the other hand says stuff like "Let's go into the streets and bring back 100 Nazi scalps."
Black Lives Matters supporters have been heard to say "Burn that Mother F***er down!"
On college campuses the left is actually patrolling with thugs with clubs looking for some "right winger" to beat.
At Berkley they threatened physical violence several times, and implemented it several times. One Trump supporter was hit in the head with a chain that had a bicycle lock on the end of it.
Oh, and pretty much all of the political assassinations in our History (and I think that of the world as well) was from the Anarchist/ Socialist parts of our society. (Meaning the left.)
Ditto that/same here. I have seen comments to the effect that if our "representative republic" keeps being a dysfunctional non-representative government.... and thanks to the radical left faction in government.... that a civil war may be the end result. Especially since many on the left are pushing for one (funded by Soros, of course).
And many Americans are FTFU by now with the left getting away with their rhetoric and the violence they have already committed. Many are ready to 'push back'. But pointing that out is not the same as calling for more violence. It's just a fact.
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Not surprised at all you only choose to see selectively what you want to.
Like I said...the extremists on both sides will always find a way to justify and rationalize the violence they incite through deeds and words.
You're doing a great job of highlighting what I'm talking about.
Wait.... just a damned minute here. I just agreed with what he said. Does that make ME an extremist too? lololol
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Not surprised at all you only choose to see selectively what you want to.
You don't see a distinction between "I think we are heading into a civil war and we had all better be ready for it"
and
"Republicans should be lined up and shot!"
I see them as being different in degree and depth.
Like I said...the extremists on both sides will always find a way to justify and rationalize the violence they incite through deeds and words.
Is this implying that I am an extremist who wants to justify and rationalize the violence they incite through deeds and words?
You're doing a great job of highlighting what I'm talking about.
You are doing a pretty good job of the same yourself.
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Some silly pictures might loosen folks up a little....
A picture is worth 1000 words, except for "silly pictures"...they're worth 1500. :silly:
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So will Scalise have a Navy ship named after him, like Gabrielle Giffords?
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Wait.... just a damned minute here. I just agreed with what he said. Does that make ME an extremist too? lololol
Nope.
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@CatherineofAragon
I would like to know that too. Of course I don't read every comment, but I don't recall ever seeing such a thing here.
First thing is, persona non gratia, is misspelled. There is no way I could ever let that slide.
Second thing is, you guys, all of you, know that I love you. However there have been instances when being anti-Trump has gone off the rails.There is no way that I will ever do a list of names. That will never happen. I only mean to say, Let's take it down a notch. Be calm. State your opinion and be happy with it.
If I have offended anyone, I apologize.
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So will Scalise have a Navy ship named after him, like Gabrielle Giffords?
Only if he demands greater gun control.
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Oh, I don't question that he had worked out some kind of justification for his actions.
And, I too, had listened to Rush for decades.
By "his actions" I presume that you mean his support of and defense of Trump. Right?
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I remember at the TOS there was a lot of people calling for a another Civil War almost everyday.
I made the mistake of looking at a thread on this subject today. Absolutely disgusting some of the comments.
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[/size]Second thing is, you guys, all of you, know that I love you. However there have been instances when being anti-Trump has gone off the rails.
[/size]First thing is, [/size]persona non gratia, [/size]is misspelled. There is no way I could ever let that slide.
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[/size]There is not way that I will ever do a list of names. That will never happen. I only mean to say, Let's take it down a notch. Be calm. State your opinion and be happy with it.
[/size]If I have offended anyone, I apologize.
Gimmie a break. I haven't had my caffeine fix today (trying to cut down....so much for that. Thanks a lot! lol)
And what's with all the font and size changes???
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Sanders statement regarding shooter being supporter stated he's 'sickened' and violence doesn't represent American values. If he took a look at the political assassins in the nation's history and their political stances, he'd find the Left is fundamentally un-American.
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Not surprised at all you only choose to see selectively what you want to.
Like I said...the extremists on both sides will always find a way to justify and rationalize the violence they incite through deeds and words.
You're doing a great job of highlighting what I'm talking about.
@txradioguy @DiogenesLamp
The extremists on both sides eh. I suppose there are some on the far right that advocate violence. I haven't see any but I suppose there are some. Perhaps you could provide a specific example??
I have seen MANY on the left advocate violence. Everything from cutting fake heads off to the violence at marches. Then there's the BLM folks shouting for dead cops.
To equate the two is simply dishonest. The reality is the left is far more willing to use violence to accomplish their agenda. Whether its the violence of their LGBTQ mafia or the govt agent enforcing their wet dreams of state control.
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By "his actions" I presume that you mean his support of and defense of Trump. Right?
I mean his cheerleading for Trump, complete with tights and a short skirt.
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First thing is, persona non gratia, is misspelled. There is no way I could ever let that slide.
Second thing is, you guys, all of you, know that I love you. However there have been instances when being anti-Trump has gone off the rails.There is not way that I will ever do a list of names. That will never happen. I only mean to say, Let's take it down a notch. Be calm. State your opinion and be happy with it.[/size][/font]
If I have offended anyone, I apologize.[/font]
@240B, I like you a lot, but I'm not going to let you slide on that. The issue isn't whether anyone went off the rails. You're deflecting here.
You clearly implied that Nevertrumpers here could commit violence. I know you have integrity, so come on. Name names. Or better yet, produce examples. Otherwise, you can't be calling for people to take it down a notch and be calm when you just made a hell of an accusation.
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A picture is worth 1000 words, except for "silly pictures"...they're worth 1500. :silly:
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I mean his cheerleading for Trump, complete with tights and a short skirt.
Exactly.
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The increase in violent rhetoric and in fact violence itself has been going on for at least the last several elections. I remember some guy being beaten because he was selling some kind of political memorabilia. Obama encouraged it and Trump was criticized for inciting it as well.
My take on the people who do this type of violence is that they are unstable individuals and if it wasn't politics that set them off it would be something else. A wife, ex-wife, girlfriend, road rage or the fact they were short changed at the convenience store.
This shooting will be politicized just like every other one has been. The access to guns of course will be blamed, Trump supporters will blame anyone who criticizes Trump etc. etc. The left will blame the policies of the right of course.
You can't do much about crazy people like this except to shoot back and there seem to be quite a few crazies around these days. Walking time bombs.
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Oh I know he is. But he's held in high regard by some people here as a rational voice in America.
Ok, why don't you name "some people here" that state he is a rational voice. Never mind, we already know this, no one.
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It's amazing, that Bernie Sanders was shown denouncing this attack on the senate floor but we seem to be discussing others.
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I mean his cheerleading for Trump, complete with tights and a short skirt.
If it is Rush being discussed, I say that's better than backstabbing. Rush has supported Bush 43 and has been very friendly to almost all Republicans. Never mind that Rush endorsed Cruz, more inconsistencies to reconcile somehow.
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@txradioguy @DiogenesLamp
The extremists on both sides eh. I suppose there are some on the far right that advocate violence. I haven't see any but I suppose there are some. Perhaps you could provide a specific example??
I have seen MANY on the left advocate violence. Everything from cutting fake heads off to the violence at marches. Then there's the BLM folks shouting for dead cops.
To equate the two is simply dishonest. The reality is the left is far more willing to use violence to accomplish their agenda. Whether its the violence of their LGBTQ mafia or the govt agent enforcing their wet dreams of state control.
As a matter of fact if you look at history, all the violence begins on the left, and the body count is horrendous.
The German Socialists (NAZIS) killed 20 million people. Russian Communism killed something like 30 million people. Chinese Communism killed something like 80 million people. The Khmer Rouge killed 3 or 4 million, and the first socialist revolution (The French Revolution) murdered thousands.
Virtually all the assassinations in American History were left wing kooks.
Hundreds of millions of dead people from the left, and people are talking about potential violence from the right?
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I mean his cheerleading for Trump, complete with tights and a short skirt.
Ohhhh...nooooes! That imagery is a bit too much for my currently fragile (pre-caffeine-dosed) mind. :silly: :silly: :silly:
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It's wonderful to have your board smeared as housing potential mass shooters by both the Left AND Trump fanatics isn't it?
You're painting with a rather wide brush here @INVAR Perhaps now is the time to tone down the hyperbole?
@mystery-ak
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Here's an interesting question : How does a schlub like this guy know that the Congressmen are playing a baseball game?
This isn't very public knowledge. It isn't even in the news.
They have been practicing there for a month and do it every year. He could well have been researching opportunities.
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Alex Jones is a big Ron Paul fan, a little less Rand Paul. I don't defile the Pauls just because Alex Jones likes them.
Really odd, this other stuff is being discussed.
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They have been practicing there for a month and do it every year. He could well have been researching opportunities.
Took me just a few minutes on Google to find out the details of where they play.
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I mean his cheerleading for Trump, complete with tights and a short skirt.
I seldom listen to Rush anymore, but ever so often during the campaign I would turn on the radio while driving and hear what he had to say.
Prior to the primary I don't recall Rush supporting anyone. I recall him going out of his way to avoid creating the impression that he was supporting any particular candidate.
After the primary he did the only thing that a reasonable person would. He supported the Republican nominee over the Psychotic Nazi hate witch.
If he was supporting Trump prior to the primary, that was wrong and he should have done it. If he would not have supported the Republican nominee after the primary, that would have been wrong, and he should not have done it.
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That guy who shot McKinley or Garfield, I forget which, was a sort of anarchist. Lee Harvey Oswald, even if a lot of people don't buy it that he was the lone gunman.
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The increase in violent rhetoric and in fact violence itself has been going on for at least the last several elections. I remember some guy being beaten because he was selling some kind of political memorabilia. Obama encouraged it and Trump was criticized for inciting it as well.
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I remember at the TOS there was a lot of people calling for a another Civil War almost everyday.
But since there hasn't been 'another CW almost everyday' you realize it is mostly just anonymous talk on the internet, okay?
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Fox reporting a San Francisco workplace shooting, UPS facility it sounds like they said.
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If it is Rush being discussed, I say that's better than backstabbing. Rush has supported Bush 43 and has been very friendly to almost all Republicans. Never mind that Rush endorsed Cruz, more inconsistencies to reconcile somehow.
Sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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Ohhhh...nooooes! That imagery is a bit too much for my currently fragile (pre-caffeine-dosed) mind. :silly: :silly: :silly:
Yeah, I had a hard time with it too!
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I seldom listen to Rush anymore, but ever so often during the campaign I would turn on the radio while driving and hear what he had to say.
Prior to the primary I don't recall Rush supporting anyone. I recall him going out of his way to avoid creating the impression that he was supporting any particular candidate.
After the primary he did the only thing that a reasonable person would. He supported the Republican nominee over the Psychotic Nazi hate witch.
If he was supporting Trump prior to the primary, that was wrong and he should have done it. If he would not have supported the Republican nominee after the primary, that would have been wrong, and he should not have done it.
I think Rush's support of Trump now is merely enforcing his long-held anti-leftist political opinions and stance. Much the same as with me, he is doing the only logical thing if/when you know and detest the left and their actions. If I had a microphone and could get my voice out there, I would probably be doing the same thing.
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Sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
He could have just said... "Rush is anti-Democrat". ^-^
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My experience with the Left is that they are firm believers in "The ends justifies the means". The AntiFa crowd is violent because they believe violence is an acceptable means to meet their ends. Most Lefties I know are of that mindset. They are saving the world.
The MSM encourages this behavior by telling us that Republican policies are killing old people and children. So naturally some people feel they must be defended by any means necessary.
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He could have just said... "Rush is anti-Democrat". ^-^
Ah. Thanks.
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Never mind that Rush endorsed Cruz, more inconsistencies to reconcile somehow.
No he didn't.
Rush does not endorse in primaries - per his own mouth.
But Rush made it abundantly clear IN those primaries that Trump was the guy he was supporting.
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My experience with the Left is that they are firm believers in "The ends justifies the means". The AntiFa crowd is violent because they believe violence is an acceptable means to meet their ends. Most Lefties I know are of that mindset. They are saving the world.
The MSM encourages this behavior by telling us that Republican policies are killing old people and children. So naturally some people feel they must be defended by any means necessary.
Yes, and that attitude springs from entitlement and victimization mindsets.
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No he didn't.
Rush does not endorse in primaries - per his own mouth.
But Rush made it abundantly clear IN those primaries that Trump was the guy he was supporting.
I don't remember it that way, INVAR. Only after Trump won the primary did Rush come out in vocal support of Trump. At least, that's the way I recall it.
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You're painting with a rather wide brush here @INVAR
@mystery-ak
I guess if you consider yourself a Trump fanatic, the comment would cut deep.
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I don't remember it that way, INVAR. Only after Trump won the primary did Rush come out in vocal support of Trump. At least, that's the way I recall it.
I remember differently.
I canceled my 24/7 membership and turned him off for good DURING the primaries for his obvious support of Trump.
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I guess if you consider yourself a Trump fanatic, the comment would cut deep.
Some of us have stood for pro-life causes so stand by Trump; you've got that right.
He's done more for the pro-life cause than anyone, meaning the Presidency, this is really off-topic. I did not turn my back on the unborn. All one can say.
By the way, for the whole forum, planned parenthood funding went up under Bush 43.
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No he didn't.
Rush does not endorse in primaries - per his own mouth.
But Rush made it abundantly clear IN those primaries that Trump was the guy he was supporting.
And why after a couple of decades of listening, I stopped. I figured Rush would be the last to sell out the conservative movement.
Boy was I ever wrong.
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I don't remember it that way, INVAR. Only after Trump won the primary did Rush come out in vocal support of Trump. At least, that's the way I recall it.
@XenaLee
I quit listening to Rush during the primaries. I remember it clearly. Some guy called in and detailed Trump's previous liberal positions/stances and asked Rush why he wouldn't talk about them. Rush laughed at him and was completely condescending. He totally blew off the guy's concerns and ended the call without giving the guy a chance to say anything else---treated him as though he were a nut instead of a voter with legitimate questions. I was done.
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No he didn't.
Rush does not endorse in primaries - per his own mouth.
But Rush made it abundantly clear IN those primaries that Trump was the guy he was supporting.
Limbaugh: Cruz 'Has Got to Be Your Guy' – 'Closest to Reagan'
With conservatives across the country facing a critical decision whether to back Donald Trump, top radio talker Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday that true conservatives have no choice but to vote for Ted Cruz.
Limbaugh told his radio audience, "If conservatism is your bag, if conservatism is the dominating factor in how you vote, there is no other choice for you in this campaign than Ted Cruz…
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/rush-limbaugh-supports-ted-cruz-president/2016/02/10/id/713757/
One can quibble whether that's an endorsement or not, sounds like one to me.
Cruz appeared on Rush's show too.
Cruz parrots what Rush says; so, if folks talk nasty and talk about cheerleading, guess what? Rush doesn't backstab the Republican party and overall, I'm okay with that, we don't have Clinton or Obama in office which was an utter disaster every day.
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I remember differently.
I canceled my 24/7 membership and turned him off for good DURING the primaries for his obvious support of Trump.
Not to put you on the spot.... but do you have a bit of the transcript or a link that would back up your claim? I remember that Rush was careful NOT to come out in support of any one candidate during the primaries. Now.... that doesn't mean that Rush may not have defended one of the candidates (even Trump) against charges or lies by the rabid left during that time.
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I don't remember it that way, INVAR. Only after Trump won the primary did Rush come out in vocal support of Trump. At least, that's the way I recall it.
No, he did it before the primaries. I wouldn't have a problem with him had he waited until a candidate was selected.
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A left-wing Bernie Sanders supporting fanatic tried to kill Republicans today and injured Representative Scalise, to even go down a lot of these rabbit holes makes one wonder, really.
I think we see what the phrase "true colors means".
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No, he did it before the primaries. I wouldn't have a problem with him had he waited until a candidate was selected.
I'm glad Rush did it that way, he didn't want to see the Democrats win.
Yeah, he should stake it all on some done-nothing senator, I see the light.
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No, he did it before the primaries. I wouldn't have a problem with him had he waited until a candidate was selected.
I agree. I remember Rush saying some things right before Super-Tuesday that made it "convenient" for a conservative to support Trump.
Did it do any damage to Cruz' chances? Who knows.....
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@XenaLee
I quit listening to Rush during the primaries. I remember it clearly. Some guy called in and detailed Trump's previous liberal positions/stances and asked Rush why he wouldn't talk about them. Rush laughed at him and was completely condescending. He totally blew off the guy's concerns and ended the call without giving the guy a chance to say anything else---treated him as though he were a nut instead of a voter with legitimate questions. I was done.
Ehhh.... one caller does not a 'case' against Rush make, at least with me.
I'm still a Rush fan/listener. Now.... if he EVER starts defending and/or supporting a gdamned Democrat or a leftist, that would change.
I've been listening to Rush for as long as I can remember... and I don't recall ANY liberal stances ... or stances of his that I disagreed with. I suppose there could be something out there though. Dunno.
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How did this thread turn into a Rush Limbaugh debate? :shrug:
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No he didn't.
Rush does not endorse in primaries - per his own mouth.
But Rush made it abundantly clear IN those primaries that Trump was the guy he was supporting.
Wrong. Rush Limbo and Sean Hannity did NOT support Trump during the primaries.
Only after he won the nomination (and Hannity more, Rush less vigorously), which is what normal people usually do. #nevertrump is the exception, not the norm.
But it does draw attention.
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How did this thread turn into a Rush Limbaugh debate? :shrug:
Look, there goes a chicken!
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No, he did it before the primaries. I wouldn't have a problem with him had he waited until a candidate was selected.
I guess I missed it. I remember how pro-Cruz Trump was during the primaries. I just remember it differently.
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Some of us have stood for pro-life causes so stand by Trump; you've got that right.
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/03/01/donald-trump-praises-planned-parenthood-again-attacks-so-called-conservatives-who-disagree/
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Look, there goes a chicken!
Are you saying we all have ADD? :silly:
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Look, there goes a chicken!
SQUIRREL! !!!!
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It would be nice to get back on topic. This is not a request.
The topic is the shooting of Republicans by a gunman who seems to be a Bernie supporter.
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It would be nice to get back on topic. This is not a request.
The topic is the shooting of Republicans by a gunman who seems to be a Bernie supporter.
Ok, who snitched?
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Cult Leader
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How did this thread turn into a Rush Limbaugh debate? :shrug:
Pretty tough for one of these to go 17 pages without a threadjackng or two.
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@240B, I like you a lot, but I'm not going to let you slide on that. The issue isn't whether anyone went off the rails. You're deflecting here.
@CatherineofAragon I will always think of you as the ex-wife I never had. And, just like her, you are always right.
Let it go.
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It would be nice to get back on topic. This is not a request.
The topic is the shooting of Republicans by a gunman who seems to be a Bernie supporter.
Thank you. I had to change the channel when Paul Ryan came on to lecture us. "An attack on one is an attack on all."
The baseball game is supposed to go on tomorrow. Better have good security.
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I guess I missed it. I remember how pro-Cruz Trump was during the primaries. I just remember it differently.
It was always: "yeah, Cruz is the most conservative, but TRUMP!"
...oops. Sorry, Mod.
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Yep.....Feel the Bern has a whole new meaning!!!!!
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The baseball game is supposed to go on tomorrow.
Geez. Where are the Republicans going to come up with another fat old white guy to fill in for Scalise on such short notice?
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Some of us have stood for pro-life causes so stand by Trump; you've got that right.
He's done more for the pro-life cause than anyone, meaning the Presidency, this is really off-topic. I did not turn my back on the unborn. All one can say.
Regardless of your one-note sonata of Trump defense, I do not find wisdom in the thinking that to defeat a NY Liberal Democrat, one must support a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat running with an 'R' after their name.
If Satan cannot be used to cast out Satan according to scripture, I see no wisdom in the thinking that one stops liberalism by voting for liberals.
And neither do I even remotely think Trump is Conservative or as pro-life as some demand we regard him as.
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Geez. Where are the Republicans going to come up with another fat old white guy to fill in for Scalise on such short notice?
I think they have a deep bench of those! :laugh:
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Yep.....Feel the Bern has a whole new meaning!!!!!
I dont blame a doddering old socialist for this. The leaders of the leftist movement are to blame. Their rhetoric has been getting more and more violent and they have been threatening violence since the election. Well they got what they were hoping for. I wonder how they will feel about the backlash. Hopefully this will marginalize the democrats even further.
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I dont blame a doddering old socialist for this. The leaders of the leftist movement are to blame. Their rhetoric has been getting more and more violent and they have been threatening violence since the election. Well they got what they were hoping for. I wonder how they will feel about the backlash
So Bernie isn't a leader of the leftist movement?
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I think they have a deep bench of those! :laugh:
Not as deep as the Dems!
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Ehhh.... one caller does not a 'case' against Rush make, at least with me.
I'm still a Rush fan/listener. Now.... if he EVER starts defending and/or supporting a gdamned Democrat or a leftist, that would change.
I've been listening to Rush for as long as I can remember... and I don't recall ANY liberal stances ... or stances of his that I disagreed with. I suppose there could be something out there though. Dunno.
I'm with you Xena. Rush tried to find positive things to say about the candidates when they were expressing conservatism. But he never said, "I support X." Cruz was the conservative. Trump was unknown regarding policy. Rush realized a long time ago that endorsing one conservative over another will cause him to lose audience. Rush has been very analytical about Trump. But always made the point that Trump doesn't look at life through the lens of conservative principles.
But he was always clear that any of the republicanS would be vastly superior to any democRAT.
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So Bernie isn't a leader of the leftist movement?
I havent seen any evidence of him supporting or egging on the antifa movement. If I am wrong then mae culpa. I think we need to be careful about painting politicians with what some of their supporters do, unless the politicians are specifically egging it on.
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I'm with you Xena. Rush tried to find positive things to say about the candidates when they were expressing conservatism. But he never said, "I support X." Cruz was the conservative. Trump was unknown regarding policy. Rush realized a long time ago that endorsing one conservative over another will cause him to lose audience. Rush has been very analytical about Trump. But always made the point that Trump doesn't look at life through the lens of conservative principles.
The last day I was listening to Rush as a fan was on 9-11-2015. That was the day Rush said Trump was a conservative because he benefited from freedom, was a reality TV star, and was a billionaire. Of course, Rush was gushing over Trump saying stupid things and getting away with it. Just to drive the media nuts. Things I've heard Trump fans parrot over the past few years.
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It would be nice to get back on topic. This is not a request.
The topic is the shooting of Republicans by a gunman who seems to be a Bernie supporter.
How about directing moderator scolds, at those who turn every thread in an anti-trump and anti--Trump supporter direction?
Things like "Trump fanatic," etc. How in the hell does somebody get there, from a Bernie supporters attempting mass-murder of Republicans?
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I don't remember it that way, INVAR. Only after Trump won the primary did Rush come out in vocal support of Trump. At least, that's the way I recall it.
You could tell from what Rush was saying that he was in the tank for Trump pretty much from the beginning.
The fix was in so to speak.
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Barely 11 minutes ago Mod2 asked politely that we stay on topic. No more debate over Rush Limbaugh on this thread.
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I dont blame a doddering old socialist for this.
Bull-effing-shit. Have you listened to that "Doddering Old Socialist"? He was fanning the flames for this type of shooting with his radical classism. He is no different that Chavez, Castro or any other Commie Pinko. Calls for his people to rise up against "oppression" from the haves while he lives in one of his 6 houses and rakes in over a million a year.
Get with the program. The Bern secretly likes this shit because it's the only way he knows him and his pals will get into power.......violent overthrow.
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I dont blame a doddering old socialist for this. The leaders of the leftist movement are to blame. Their rhetoric has been getting more and more violent and they have been threatening violence since the election. Well they got what they were hoping for. I wonder how they will feel about the backlash. Hopefully this will marginalize the democrats even further.
True, but if you were to take a poll of what is considered the leftist movement, I'd bet 90+% of them were Sanders supporters.
Still think the biggest guilty party are the MSM masses who have institutionalized an acceptance of a culture to foster violence toward anything Right of Center. The feigned outrage of some of the recent media events just fans the flames. It has become a bandwagon mentality and I wouldn't be surprised to see more of this.
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You could tell from what Rush was saying that he was in the tank for Trump pretty much from the beginning.
The fix was in so to speak.
Didn't the Mod tell you not to post your silly shit about Rush on this thread? You have trouble reading GD English?
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Not to put you on the spot.... but do you have a bit of the transcript or a link that would back up your claim? I remember that Rush was careful NOT to come out in support of any one candidate during the primaries. Now.... that doesn't mean that Rush may not have defended one of the candidates (even Trump) against charges or lies by the rabid left during that time.
Rush lauded all the 17 candidates as 'better than Hillary', it was self-evident early-on that Trump was the guy he was supporting - even after he said that Rubio was a 'full throated Conservative' and said Cruz was the closest to Reagan. I began to see it was just placating his audience and supporting the party rather than any principles. His daily amusements and defenses of Trump made it very obvious whom it was he was supporting.
I know what I heard, because within a minute of his remarks on the day I got pissed, I logged into my account to cancel my 24/7 membership. Several weeks later right before the convention when some lady called up and said if Trump was the nominee there was no way she was voting for Trump and Rush said that she was then voting for Hillary, I immediately turned off his radio show for good. I haven't listened since. I'm not going to spend the time to dig through his show transcripts to justify my actions, you are welcome to do so if you like.
He has absolutely no credibility with me any more. None.
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So who are the victims? Were there 5 in total? Anyone know of their conditions?
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It would be nice to get back on topic. This is not a request.
The topic is the shooting of Republicans by a gunman who seems to be a Bernie supporter.
Rush Limbaugh's bona fides as a conservative is an interesting topic- maybe best explored in its own thread.
I daresay that leftist radicals like our boy the shooter would not give much attention to nuanced discourse concerning Mr. Limbaugh, if he could have gotten Rush in the cross hairs, he'd have pulled the trigger. Maybe that will be the new litmus test for authenticity - if a leftist homicidal lunatic tries to murder you, then by God you're a "real" conservative.
What has me concerned is that there are likely hundreds or thousands (tens of thousands?) more weak-minded, psychotic freaks just like this fruitloop all over the damn country with inclinations to do exactly the same thing.
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Barely 11 minutes ago Mod2 asked politely that we stay on topic. No more debate over Rush Limbaugh on this thread.
Sorry - I was typing up a reply to Xena's question to me directly and did not see your comment until just now.
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I can't get to the shooter's fb page anymore .... must have been taken down.
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So who are the victims? Were there 5 in total? Anyone know of their conditions?
This guy was one of the people shot....
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....my unnamed sources tell me his current condition is "Rotting in Hell".
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Wait.... just a damned minute here. I just agreed with what he said. Does that make ME an extremist too? lololol
I've forwarded your emojis and cat picture to the Zurich Institute of Zychiatry. We'll see.
@XenaLee
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This guy was one of the people shot....
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....my unnamed sources tell me his current condition is "Rotting in Hell".
Good place for him.
Fox is reporting on their website that he was also a Bernie supporter.
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Rush Limbaugh's bona fides as a conservative is an interesting topic- maybe best explored in its own thread.
I daresay that leftist radicals like our boy the shooter would not give much attention to nuanced discourse concerning Mr. Limbaugh, if he could have gotten the man in the cross hairs, he'd have pull the trigger. Maybe that will be the new litmus test for authenticity - if a leftist homicidal lunatic wants to kill you, you are a "real" conservative.
How much do you want to bet this Scalise guy was called a RINO at TOS?
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How about directing moderator scolds, at those who turn every thread in an anti-trump and anti--Trump supporter direction?
Things like "Trump fanatic," etc. How in the hell does somebody get there, from a Bernie supporters attempting mass-murder of Republicans?
The scolds should be directed at all of us. We have turned this incident into so much partisan bickering and finger pointing. This is about a guy with an obvious, untreated mental illness who today decided to go off. We are just as bad as the libs who are blaming it all on guns. Instead of hurling accusations at one another, maybe we should work together to come up with some real solutions to the ever-growing problem of mass shootings. As long as we ignore the mental illness behind these incidents, these shooting are just going to continue, and people will die needlessly.
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Things like "Trump fanatic," etc. How in the hell does somebody get there, from a Bernie supporters attempting mass-murder of Republicans?
That would be due to posts like this one:
I just hope that it was not anyone from TBR.
From what some of the NeverTrump have said, it could be any one of a dozen posters here.
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The scolds should be directed at all of us. We have turned this incident into so much partisan bickering and finger pointing. This is about a guy with an obvious, untreated mental illness who today decided to go off. We are just as bad as the libs who are blaming it all on guns. Instead of hurling accusations at one another, maybe we should work together to come up with some real solutions to the ever-growing problem of mass shootings. As long as we ignore the mental illness behind these incidents, these shooting are just going to continue, and people will die needlessly.
Liberalism IS a mental illness!
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How much do you want to bet this Scalise guy was called a RINO at TOS?
It wasn't just there he was referred to as a member of the Establishment GOP.
He's an acolyte of Boehner. Draw your conclusions from there.
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This guy was one of the people shot....
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....my unnamed sources tell me his current condition is "Rotting in Hell".
Well I knew he died.... And the congressman was shot. Who are the others injured?
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Thankfully the POS was using an AK-47. Otherwise he might have killed someone.
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I can't get to the shooter's fb page anymore .... must have been taken down.
Surprise Surprise...... Any doubt that ultra left whacko Zuckenberg would purge any left wing manifesto from his system before it could be used against them? Hope there were plenty of screen shots captured.
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The scolds should be directed at all of us. We have turned this incident into so much partisan bickering and finger pointing. This is about a guy with an obvious, untreated mental illness who today decided to go off. We are just as bad as the libs who are blaming it all on guns. Instead of hurling accusations at one another, maybe we should work together to come up with some real solutions to the ever-growing problem of mass shootings. As long as we ignore the mental illness behind these incidents, these shooting are just going to continue, and people will die needlessly.
What is your solution then? Because I cannot think of one.
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Well I knew he died.... And the congressman was shot. Who are the others injured?
At least one of the police officers - the one who took him out - and a staffer. The fifth, sorry, I've heard both cop and another staffer mentioned.
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Liberalism IS a mental illness!
I was thinking of posting that same thing! lol
There really is no solution to ""focus on"". It is what it is (ie we're stuck with the problem). The only thing we might be able to do is criminalize certain media spews that incite violence. But that would be anti-constitutional. So there really IS no solution that I can see.
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W funded Planned Parentparenthood:
Instead he had an enormous pro-abortion influence, e.g., giving Planned Parenthood hundreds of millions of dollars more than did even Bill Clinton.
http://prolifeprofiles.com/george-w-bush-abortion
Sure, Trump expressed liberal views in the past but he was not in office, he hardly did in the campaign.
Now, his pro-life acts in office are greater than any other president ever.
Yet, non-Trump fans turn this into a thread about Trump? How strange and yet, we can't even say back, it's better than Obama's 3rd term.
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Well I knew he died.... And the congressman was shot. Who are the others injured?
@mrpotatohead
Per the FNC Website:
Zack Barth, a congressional aide to Rep. Roger Williams, R-Texas, and Tyson Foods director of government relations Matt Mika were also injured in the incident. Special Agents David Bailey and Crystal Griner were both wounded in the incident. Griner was shot in the foot or leg and Bailey, who was not shot, sustained another, unspecified injury.
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Barely 11 minutes ago Mod2 asked politely that we stay on topic. No more debate over Rush Limbaugh on this th4read.
I contributed to the problem. I'm sorry.
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The scolds should be directed at all of us. We have turned this incident into so much partisan bickering and finger pointing. This is about a guy with an obvious, untreated mental illness who today decided to go off. We are just as bad as the libs who are blaming it all on guns. Instead of hurling accusations at one another, maybe we should work together to come up with some real solutions to the ever-growing problem of mass shootings. As long as we ignore the mental illness behind these incidents, these shooting are just going to continue, and people will die needlessly.
Perhaps toning down the hatred and resentment inherent, and increasingly tolerated, in the rhetoric of the political left so that the less mentally able in their midst are not driven to acts of violence would be a good start.
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I can't get to the shooter's fb page anymore .... must have been taken down.
I saved a .pdf of it this morning. If I can figure out how to post it, I will.
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I saved a .pdf of it this morning. If I can figure out how to post it, I will.
You could take a screenshot, upload it to Photobucket. That's probably what I would do.
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You could take a screenshot, upload it to Photobucket. That's probably what I would do.
On the wrong computer for that. It will be this evening.
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I can't get to the shooter's fb page anymore .... must have been taken down.
I can't find it now, either.
Probably been scrubbed.
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I can't find it now, either.
Probably been scrubbed.
Probably been scrubbed. Zucked
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It wasn't just there he was referred to as a member of the Establishment GOP.
He's an acolyte of Boehner. Draw your conclusions from there.
On being asked by the New Orleans Times-Picayune to assign Democrat Barack Obama a letter grade for Obama's first 100 days as President, Scalise awarded the new president an L (for "liberal").[13]
Where anyone gets the gall to denigrate someone as an acolyte of the odious drunk Boehner, yet not have the courtesy to one's fellow posters to even bother to substantiate that malicious slur with anything even remotely resembling objective information, is puzzling. Although coming from (forgive me) this poster, one supposes that such discourtesy / arrogance would not be unexpected. heh "acolyte" heh wow
(http://images.eil.com/large_image/STEVE_HACKETT_VOYAGE%2BOF%2BTHE%2BACOLYTE-258117.jpg)
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I saved a .pdf of it this morning. If I can figure out how to post it, I will.
888high58888 Smart.
We should get into the habit of that.
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Left-Wing Twitter Celebrates Shooting of Rep. Scalise
(https://pictures.grabien.com/newsstories/inline/5723_13.jpg)
https://news.grabien.com/story-left-wing-twitter-celebrates-shooting-rep-scalise
I think she means "Untermenschen".
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Hodgkinson’s Facebook page removed after getting quick initial reaction
By Mary Cooley
mcooley@bnd.com
Reaction was fast and sometimes furious on James T. Hodgkinson’s Facebook page Wednesday morning before the page was removed by Facebook. The man may have had a second Facebook account, which was also missing by noon Wednesday.
Hodgkinson was named as the shooter at the congressional baseball practice Wednesday morning, in which at least five people were wounded. President Donald Trump announced that Hodgkinson has died; the suspect was shot by law enforcement at the scene.
The public part of Hodgkinson’s page shows he has 403 Facebook friends, many of whom have “Resist” or show support to Bernie Sanders.
Hodgkinson’s comment to another link to Change.org to remove the president and vice president, on March 22, said, “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.”
No further public comment by Hodgkinson defined what he intended by “destroy.”
<..snip..>
Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156100679.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156100679.html#storylink=cpy)
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I can't get to the shooter's fb page anymore .... must have been taken down.
That's pretty normal when these things happen. They lock it down and make it private just for law enforcement to see. There are also usually a lot of cases where fake accounts pop up in seconds claiming to be the guy, sometimes hundreds of fake accounts. Those are removed as fast as FB can. I'm sure this one was not fake because of family members on the friends list with the same last name and city including what looked like his wife.
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Okay, you are saying that because Trump laughed off an attack on Trump during the primaries that this equals an endorsement?
So if he laughed off an attack against Cruz during the primaries would that also means he endorsed Cruz?
You aren't looking at this thing properly. To AGREE that a candidate is not a principled conservative would definitely have caused damage to that candidate's campaign. It is in effect a reverse endorsement of the other candidate.
Rush was not going to deliberately torpedo Trump's campaign, and he was not going to deliberately torpedo Cruz's campaign either.
Rush was very much aware that both candidates had huge support bases, and if he agreed with anyone about what a dirty rotten scoundrel was the other candidate, he would have pissed off millions of people whom the party would need after the primary.
Rush is not a fool. He did exactly what he should have done.
Didn't the mods ask us to stop with the Rush thread hijacking?
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On being asked by the New Orleans Times-Picayune to assign Democrat Barack Obama a letter grade for Obama's first 100 days as President, Scalise awarded the new president an L (for "liberal").[13]
Where anyone gets the gall to denigrate someone as an acolyte of the odious drunk Boehner, yet not have the courtesy to one's fellow posters to even bother to substantiate that malicious slur with anything even remotely resembling objective information, is puzzling. Although coming from (forgive me) this poster, one supposes that such discourtesy / arrogance would not be unexpected. heh "acolyte" heh wow
(http://images.eil.com/large_image/STEVE_HACKETT_VOYAGE%2BOF%2BTHE%2BACOLYTE-258117.jpg)
I have that album.
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That is what I recall.
I stopped listening to Rush BEFORE the primaries were over because he was overtly supporting Trump, and betraying the conservative principles he had always stood for.
I haven't listened to him since April, 2016.
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cmon folks, no more Rush on this thread
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I'm glad Rush did it that way, he didn't want to see the Democrats win.
Yeah, he should stake it all on some done-nothing senator, I see the light.
Now that is bullsh*t. Cruz did plenty. He was the only one standing up to ridiculous excessive spending. He was the only one who would take a stand on anything. The rest of the Rinos were content to just remain quiet while the Democrat media machine kept winning.
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Didn't the mods ask us to stop with the Rush thread hijacking?
Sorry. I didn't know that.
I've been out. Any updates on the Congressman's condition??
Last I heard he was "stable."
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Didn't the mods ask us to stop with the Rush thread hijacking?
(https://storage.googleapis.com/imgfave/image_cache/1454942024962922.jpg)
Either that or they might have missed the posts.
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cmon folks, more Rush on this thread
FIFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYdQB0mkEU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYdQB0mkEU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNPb931HqeM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNPb931HqeM)
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Hodgkinson’s Facebook page removed after getting quick initial reaction
By Mary Cooley
mcooley@bnd.com
Reaction was fast and sometimes furious on James T. Hodgkinson’s Facebook page Wednesday morning before the page was removed by Facebook. The man may have had a second Facebook account, which was also missing by noon Wednesday.
Hodgkinson was named as the shooter at the congressional baseball practice Wednesday morning, in which at least five people were wounded. President Donald Trump announced that Hodgkinson has died; the suspect was shot by law enforcement at the scene.
The public part of Hodgkinson’s page shows he has 403 Facebook friends, many of whom have “Resist” or show support to Bernie Sanders.
Hodgkinson’s comment to another link to Change.org to remove the president and vice president, on March 22, said, “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.”
No further public comment by Hodgkinson defined what he intended by “destroy.”
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Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156100679.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156100679.html#storylink=cpy)
We know now what he meant, don't we?? **nononono*
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Barely 11 minutes ago Mod2 asked politely that we stay on topic. No more debate over Rush Limbaugh on this thread.
Now that I have climbed through the thread sufficiently to see the warnings, I will post nothing further about Rush Limbaugh, and you can feel free to delete my previous posts on the subject.
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FYI @mystery-ak
Update. 1968 not 69.
(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/imqdnl/picture156131134/alternates/FREE_640/IMG_3616)
James T. Hodgkinson’s yearbook photo upon his graduation from Belleville West High School in 1968.
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Now that I have climbed through the thread sufficiently to see the warnings, I will post nothing further about Rush Limbaugh, and you can feel free to delete my previous posts on the subject.
You can go in and delete or modify them, and thank you.
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Didn't the mods ask us to stop with the Rush thread hijacking?
You can't respond to a warning until you actually see the warning.
I am a linear thinker and my methodology is consistent. I start at the beginning of a thread and I respond to commentary I see posted in the thread. I do it in order. I do it in sequence.
When I finally got to the mod's warning, I complied, but I could not comply with it until I had seen it.
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FYI @mystery-ak
Update. 1968 not 69.
(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/imqdnl/picture156131134/alternates/FREE_640/IMG_3616)
James T. Hodgkinson’s yearbook photo upon his graduation from Belleville West High School in 1968.
Interesting. He isn't listed as participating in anything.
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You can go in and delete or modify them, and thank you.
I didn't realize I could delete messages till you said so. I went back and did it.
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I am a linear thinker and my methodology is consistent. I start at the beginning of a thread and I respond to commentary I see posted in the thread. I do it in order. I do it in sequence.
Some of us call that OCD!
:pondering:
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Just took a peek at the DU Facebook page (I'm a stealth member...shhhh)...it's a refuge for people who think that DemocraticUnderground.com is too centrist...they are surprisingly quiet about the shooting...his group memberships and who he supported for PResident.
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Some of us call that OCD!
:pondering:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
For the record, it's the root of engineering. You can thank us engineers later.
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Another example of Liberal rhetoric that I believe goes far beyond what I normally see on the right.
(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-14-at-10.52.41-AM.png)
Oh, and as a two-fer (two subjects in one) this guy writes for the Washington Post Newspaper, so it conforms to the criteria in the "Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger" thread.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/liberal-wapo-analysis-writer-budding-author-deletes-heinous-tweet-about-shooting/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
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Another example of Liberal rhetoric that I believe goes far beyond what I normally see on the right.
(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-14-at-10.52.41-AM.png)
Oh, and as a two-fer (two subjects in one) this guy writes for the Washington Post Newspaper, so it conforms to the criteria in the "Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger" thread.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/liberal-wapo-analysis-writer-budding-author-deletes-heinous-tweet-about-shooting/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
I've seen people like this pop up occasionally on the right, but typically they are shut down quickly by those around them.
In terms of unfiltered naked hatred, up to today there is no comparing the two sides.
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Some of us call that OCD!
:pondering:
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I often refer to it as another manifestation of my "High functionality Asperger's syndrome. "
:)
(http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/r/a/i/rain-man-1988-04-g.jpg)
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@CatherineofAragon I will always think of you as the ex-wife I never had. And, just like her, you are always right.
Let it go.
@240B
Assuming we'd even date is a pretty big leap on your part.
"Let it go" = "My mouth wrote a check my butt can't cash, and I know it, so let's move on to something else. Quick."
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I often refer to it as another manifestation of my "High functionality Asperger's syndrome. "
:)
(http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/r/a/i/rain-man-1988-04-g.jpg)
Asperger's, or gas?
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Some of us call that OCD!
:pondering:
Some of us call it CDO because that's in the correct order.
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USA Today is reporting as of 5 minutes ago Rep. Scalise is now listed in critical condition.
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Another example of Liberal rhetoric that I believe goes far beyond what I normally see on the right.
(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2017-06-14-at-10.52.41-AM.png)
Oh, and as a two-fer (two subjects in one) this guy writes for the Washington Post Newspaper, so it conforms to the criteria in the "Our Treasonous Media Is a Clear and Present Danger" thread.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/liberal-wapo-analysis-writer-budding-author-deletes-heinous-tweet-about-shooting/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
Yes, indeed. Just another (one of many) leftie dumb@ss....
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/nyregion/malcolm-harris-pleads-guilty-over-2011-march.html
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Another example of left wing eliminationist rhetoric.
GOP rep. received threatening email with subject line 'One down, 216 to go...' after lawmaker shooting
(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/article_images/emailthreat.jpg?itok=4yyfehUh)
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337782-gop-rep-received-threatening-email-with-subject-line-one-down-216-to-go-after
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"RESIST"
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I often refer to it as another manifestation of my "High functionality Asperger's syndrome. "
:)
(http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/r/a/i/rain-man-1988-04-g.jpg)
Asperger's, or gas?
"Uh oh fart. Uh oh fart."
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USA Today is reporting as of 5 minutes ago Rep. Scalise is now listed in critical condition.
Obviously the man needs our prayers. Please pray for the man and all of the injured.
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Obviously the man needs our prayers. Please pray for the man and all of the injured.
They most certainly do.
And I am.
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Just took a peek at the DU Facebook page (I'm a stealth member...shhhh)...it's a refuge for people who think that DemocraticUnderground.com is too centrist...they are surprisingly quiet about the shooting...his group memberships and who he supported for PResident.
Do you have a link? I'd like to take a peek....
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FYI @mystery-ak
Update. 1968 not 69.
(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/imqdnl/picture156131134/alternates/FREE_640/IMG_3616)
James T. Hodgkinson’s yearbook photo upon his graduation from Belleville West High School in 1968.
That Barb Hubbard looks dangerous.
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USA Today is reporting as of 5 minutes ago Rep. Scalise is now listed in critical condition.
Just heard Dana Loesch say the same thing. Wasn't he shot in the hip? Blood loss, maybe...?
Apparently the shooter hung out at the Y across the street from the park, living out of his gym bag, so he could scope out the place,
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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/267502/#respond
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Obviously the man needs our prayers. Please pray for the man and all of the injured.
Prayers up for him and the others that were injured.
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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/267502/#respond
Like I always say, The only thing worse than a Fascist, is an anti-Fascist.
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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/267502/#respond
Anxiously awaiting someone to tell us who the conservative equivalent of these *ssholes are.
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Anxiously awaiting someone to tell us who the conservative equivalent of these *ssholes are.
@skeeter
I know I know! Anyone that disagrees with them.
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Do you have a link? I'd like to take a peek....
It's a secret page on FB. You have to be a member to know it's there. I try not to say too much about it because if they figured out I'm a member...especially since I'm on Skinner's and more than a few DUmmies "Most hated" list...they'd zot me for sure. It's the only time I've ever been able to successfully mole DU.
If anything interesting is posted I'll get a screen grab and post it.
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Anxiously awaiting someone to tell us who the conservative equivalent of these *ssholes are.
I posted links to some examples...guess you missed them. :shrug:
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Video at link. whole lotta rounds fired.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/14/the-moment-the-gop-shooter-opened-fire/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter
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Holding my breath for when the Southern Poverty Law group puts itself on the list of most dangerous people in America likely to commit terrorism.
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USA Today is reporting as of 5 minutes ago Rep. Scalise is now listed in critical condition.
Oh, no.
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Respect to Congressman Wenstrup while we're at it, please. He reverted to combat surgeon mode immediately.
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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/267502/#respond
Those little fascists look pretty much alive. :shrug:
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Would it be too much to ask that the actual shooter be blamed. Unless and until others are implicated in his plot there is no point at all in pointing fingers or playing the but Obama nonsense.
This is not the first time nor will it be the last that something like this happens. Blaming society, blaming certain aspects of media, etc. is intellectually dishonest.
Political assassinations are not unheard of in the USA.
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Just heard Dana Loesch say the same thing. Wasn't he shot in the hip? Blood loss, maybe...?
Apparently the shooter hung out at the Y across the street from the park, living out of his gym bag, so he could scope out the place,
Blood loss before the EMT's arrived. One of the first reports I heard this morning said someone had to use a belt as a tourniquet in his leg to stop the bleeding...that tells me IMO that an artery was nicked or damaged in that area. Bullet could have fragmented upon hitting bone and the doctors haven't been able to get all the little bleeders stopped.
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It's a secret page on FB. You have to be a member to know it's there. I try not to say too much about it because if they figured out I'm a member...especially since I'm on Skinner's and more than a few DUmmies "Most hated" list...they'd zot me for sure. It's the only time I've ever been able to successfully mole DU.
If anything interesting is posted I'll get a screen grab and post it.
Ok, thanks.
I may have an old DU nic around collecting dust somewhere. May have to log in and see if I can find the FB link...lol.
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Would it be too much to ask that the actual shooter be blamed. Unless and until others are implicated in his plot there is no point at all in pointing fingers or playing the but Obama nonsense.
This is not the first time nor will it be the last that something like this happens. Blaming society, blaming certain aspects of media, etc. is intellectually dishonest.
Political assassinations are not unheard of in the USA.
That's no fun now that he's died! :tongue2:
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Blood loss before the EMT's arrived. One of the first reports I heard this morning said someone had to use a belt as a tourniquet in his leg to stop the bleeding...that tells me IMO that an artery was nicked or damaged in that area. Bullet could have fragmented upon hitting bone and the doctors haven't been able to get all the little bleeders stopped.
Yeah, shot in the hip is very serious, even without nicking the femoral artery.
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Those little fascists look pretty much alive. :shrug:
Yeah, unfortunately for America. And.... it's a pretty good indicator.... if you have to hide your face to protest, you're probably the fascist you're protesting against.
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I posted links to some examples...guess you missed them. :shrug:
Really - conservative groups who respond to a political assassination attempt by promising more violence? I guess I did miss them.
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FYI @mystery-ak
Update. 1968 not 69.
(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/imqdnl/picture156131134/alternates/FREE_640/IMG_3616)
James T. Hodgkinson’s yearbook photo upon his graduation from Belleville West High School in 1968.
He doesn't even have "Student Service" listed by his name. EVERYONE had that in yearbooks from those years.
He did less than nothing in HS..... :shrug:
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He doesn't even have "Student Service" listed by his name. EVERYONE had that in yearbooks from those years.
He did less than nothing in HS..... :shrug:
That Tonie Hug looks suspicious, too.
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Scalise in critical condition after gunman opened fire at congressional baseball practice in Virginia
ABC News, Jun 14, 2017, 3:21 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-respond-shooting-virginia-park/story?id=48027277
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Yeah, shot in the hip is very serious, even without nicking the femoral artery.
I'm not sure, but I think that post-surgical patients are often listed as critical. I'm sure he's getting transfusions.
What hospital was he taken to?
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Blood loss before the EMT's arrived. One of the first reports I heard this morning said someone had to use a belt as a tourniquet in his leg to stop the bleeding...that tells me IMO that an artery was nicked or damaged in that area. Bullet could have fragmented upon hitting bone and the doctors haven't been able to get all the little bleeders stopped.
That's bad. Thank you, @txradioguy. Praying here.
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Blood loss before the EMT's arrived. One of the first reports I heard this morning said someone had to use a belt as a tourniquet in his leg to stop the bleeding...that tells me IMO that an artery was nicked or damaged in that area. Bullet could have fragmented upon hitting bone and the doctors haven't been able to get all the little bleeders stopped.
I believe it was Flake that ran out to care for Scalise once the shooter was down... He said so, and was there for about 15min before EMT took over.
The doctors were worried about femoral artery damage on Scalise...
Dunno much more than that, and those things were derived from a live FoxNews stream.
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I'm not sure, but I think that post-surgical patients are often listed as critical. I'm sure he's getting transfusions.
What hospital was he taken to?
MedStar Washington Hospital Center in the District...IIRC from my time there it's actually in Georgetown.
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Blood loss before the EMT's arrived. One of the first reports I heard this morning said someone had to use a belt as a tourniquet in his leg to stop the bleeding...that tells me IMO that an artery was nicked or damaged in that area. Bullet could have fragmented upon hitting bone and the doctors haven't been able to get all the little bleeders stopped.
Saw on Fox one of the other Congressmen that treated him is actually a surgeon with experience in Iraq. He didn't have any equipment of course but I would assume he did the best possible under the conditions. He said Scalise said he was thirsty so they gave him fluids (gatorade) and then IVs when the paramedics got there.
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Saw on Fox one of the other Congressmen that treated him is actually a surgeon with experience in Iraq. He didn't have any equipment of course but I would assume he did the best possible under the conditions. He said Scalise said he was thirsty so they gave him fluids (gatorade) and then IVs when the paramedics got there.
Brad Wenstrup.
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Saw on Fox one of the other Congressmen that treated him is actually a surgeon with experience in Iraq. He didn't have any equipment of course but I would assume he did the best possible under the conditions. He said Scalise said he was thirsty so they gave him fluids (gatorade) and then IVs when the paramedics got there.
That no doubt saved the Congressman's life.
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Would it be too much to ask that the actual shooter be blamed. Unless and until others are implicated in his plot there is no point at all in pointing fingers or playing the but Obama nonsense.
This is not the first time nor will it be the last that something like this happens. Blaming society, blaming certain aspects of media, etc. is intellectually dishonest.
Political assassinations are not unheard of in the USA.
Many of us have noticed the increasingly violent nature of the left's political rhetoric over the past years, which has accelerated in the past several months.
What in the world is wrong with suggesting that what clearly is an assassination attempt is a result of this trend? How in the world do you expect to prevent more violence if we do not identify its root cause?
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Saw on Fox one of the other Congressmen that treated him is actually a surgeon with experience in Iraq. He didn't have any equipment of course but I would assume he did the best possible under the conditions. He said Scalise said he was thirsty so they gave him fluids (gatorade) and then IVs when the paramedics got there.
Was he the one who said the shooting was like being in Iraq, but without a weapon?
Under fire, but no way to defend yourself..... **nononono*
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MedStar Washington Hospital Center in the District...IIRC from my time there it's actually in Georgetown.
Thanks, @txradioguy
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One of the first reports I heard this morning said someone had to use a belt as a tourniquet in his leg to stop the bleeding..
Representive Mo Brooks (who is running for Sessions Senate seat now against Roy Moore)... I love love Roy Moore, but can live with Brooks who has proved to be a pretty dang good rep over time. Also Mo Brooks put out a great statement defending the 2nd after the attack... see if I can find it and put it up.
(https://s22.postimg.org/a8lfywgel/Mo_Brooks.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/a8lfywgel/)
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Was he the one who said the shooting was like being in Iraq, but without a weapon?
Under fire, but no way to defend yourself..... **nononono*
I can tell you from experience that's never a good situation to find yourself in.
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Just heard Dana Loesch say the same thing. Wasn't he shot in the hip? Blood loss, maybe...?
Apparently the shooter hung out at the Y across the street from the park, living out of his gym bag, so he could scope out the place,
Pretty much any trauma victim with that long a surgical procedure and presumably multiple transfusions will go to the ICU post op. Respiratory and renal function need to be closely monitored and further transfusion need is possible. It is not surprising at all he is in the icu which buys you a critical listing
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Representive Mo Brooks (who is running for Sessions Senate seat now against Roy Moore)... I love love Roy Moore, but can live with Brooks who has proved to be a pretty dang good rep over time. Also Mo Brooks put out a great statement defending the 2nd after the attack... see if I can find it and put it up.
I think Judge Moore would have been better suited for FBI Director.
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Would it be too much to ask that the actual shooter be blamed. Unless and until others are implicated in his plot there is no point at all in pointing fingers or playing the but Obama nonsense.
This is not the first time nor will it be the last that something like this happens. Blaming society, blaming certain aspects of media, etc. is intellectually dishonest.
Political assassinations are not unheard of in the USA.
That will make sense IF it is shown that the shooter is mentally deficient.
If the shooter is not mentally ill, it would make sense to follow the idea that if the shooter can be influenced into acts of violence by the specific groups that he associates with, then others that also associate with those groups will likewise be influenced to commit acts of violence. And these specific people should be acted on or monitored, as they are potential domestic terrorists.
Broad brushing who influenced the shooter, especially without proof, is intellectually dishonest.
Broad brushing that this is just another political assassination is intellectually dangerous.
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I think Judge Moore would have been better suited for FBI Director.
Maybe, Moore is an intelligent man but not quick witted in political speak like we have grown accustomed to seeing in today's politics.
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Funny you should mention your DU mole account, I have a early 2003 or 2004 account there, but it is not a deep mole, cause it has like 15 posts is all. I always felt dirty trying to fake being a lefty scum. Making up fake comments just wasn't fun when trying to fool the local scum.
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That Barb Hubbard looks dangerous.
They're all dangerous...they're all white. I know, I'm white and dangerous. The neighbors move out of my way when I walk through the neighborhood. lol
Probably due to the fact I've been to several Veteran's Day assemblies at local schools over the past 20 years. Instead of asking me, their kids ask my kids about what I did in the Army. Knowing them, they embellished it a bit...lol.
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Pretty much any trauma victim with that long a surgical procedure and presumably multiple transfusions will go to the ICU post op. Respiratory and renal function need to be closely monitored and further transfusion need is possible. It is not surprising at all he is in the icu which buys you a critical listing
@Mom MD, thank you. That makes sense.
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Would it be too much to ask that the actual shooter be blamed. Unless and until others are implicated in his plot there is no point at all in pointing fingers or playing the but Obama nonsense.
This is not the first time nor will it be the last that something like this happens. Blaming society, blaming certain aspects of media, etc. is intellectually dishonest.
Political assassinations are not unheard of in the USA.
He is being blamed. And the liberal zeitgeist that created him should be blamed as well. They created this monster and the blood he spilt is equally on their hands.
That bimbo comedian Griffin who posed with the fake severed head of Trump is morally and ethically responsible here (not legally).
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Maybe, Moore is an intelligent man but not quick witted in political speak like we have grown accustomed to seeing in today's politics.
Honestly that's not a bad thing to me.
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Funny you should mention your DU mole account, I have a early 2003 or 2004 account there, but it is not a deep mole, cause it has like 15 posts is all. I always felt dirty trying to fake being a lefty scum. Making up fake comments just wasn't fun when trying to fool the local scum.
Yeah I felt dirty too trying to pretend to be a Liberal too. Just never could wrap my head around their cultist...communist...hate America mindset.
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I have that album (Voyage of the Acolyte).
hahaha a person of discerning taste. Genesis was one of the better rock bands and solo recording artist careers of the 1970s.
The tracks of VotA are named after, or with reference to, the Minor and Major Trumps of the Tarot card deck, heh heh Trumps.
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He doesn't even have "Student Service" listed by his name. EVERYONE had that in yearbooks from those years.
He did less than nothing in HS..... :shrug:
Of course he did less than nothing. Have you ever met a home inspector that wasn't less than nothing?
(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/k8i5s7/picture156100674/alternates/FREE_640/HODGKINSON2)
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Pretty much any trauma victim with that long a surgical procedure and presumably multiple transfusions will go to the ICU post op. Respiratory and renal function need to be closely monitored and further transfusion need is possible. It is not surprising at all he is in the icu which buys you a critical listing
That's what I thought. It's pretty routine to take post-op patients to ICU, and I'm sure with the severity of his wounds, this is why he's listed as critical.
Prayers continue!
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He is being blamed. And the liberal zeitgeist that created him should be blamed as well. They created this monster and the blood he spilt is equally on their hands.
That bimbo comedian Griffin who posed with the fake severed head of Trump is morally and ethically responsible here (not legally).
The left doesn't grasp the concept of either morality or ethics. They won't connect the vile Griffin with this shooting.
They'll only blame guns.
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He is being blamed. And the liberal zeitgeist that created him should be blamed as well. They created this monster and the blood he spilt is equally on their hands.
That bimbo comedian Griffin who posed with the fake severed head of Trump is morally and ethically responsible here (not legally).
Amen.
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He is being blamed. And the liberal zeitgeist that created him should be blamed as well. They created this monster and the blood he spilt is equally on their hands.
That bimbo comedian Griffin who posed with the fake severed head of Trump is morally and ethically responsible here (not legally).
Bimbo? You're being generous.
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hahaha a person of discerning taste. Genesis was one of the better rock bands and solo recording artist careers of the 1970s.
The tracks of VotA are named after, or with reference to, the Minor and Major Trumps of the Tarot card deck, heh heh Trumps.
Actually that album has some of the best drumming Phil Collins ever did.
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Bimbo? You're being generous.
My grandmother used to say, "That's no reason to be ugly."
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The left doesn't grasp the concept of either morality or ethics. They won't connect the vile Griffin with this shooting.
They'll only blame guns.
The left doesn't grasp anything other than a push for gun control and will never ever see their responsibility in this; false accusations against the GOP/Trump, Russians hacking in the election, the GOP/Trump being racists, GOP/Trump being against the Muslim religion ... and let's not forget the GOP consists of nothing but angry, rich, Christian white guys! I'm still waiting for a statement from Bernie!
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The left doesn't grasp anything other than a push for gun control and will never ever see their responsibility in this; false accusations against the GOP/Trump, Russians hacking in the election, the GOP/Trump being racists, GOP/Trump being against the Muslim religion ... and let's not forget the GOP consists of nothing but angry, rich, Christian white guys! I'm still waiting for a statement from Bernie!
But of course, the Left blamed Gabby Giffords' shooting on Sarah Palin.
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Would it be too much to ask that the actual shooter be blamed.
I've been meaning to write an essay on this topic.
People seem to have forgotten the difference between reasons and blame.
Waving a wad of cash around in the ghetto might get you an above-average chance of getting mugged.
The mugger is to blame, yet the reason is your behavior. Mentioning the latter doesn't mean you're blaming.
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I've been heads-down at work all day and just skimming the headlines, so forgive me is this has already been addressed but I didn't see it...
What's the scoop with Hodgkinson’s wife? I'm assuming they're still married, as the reports I have seen call her his wife and not his ex-wife. Did she not know what he had been up to over the past couple of months? Is she being questioned for any helpful information?
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The left doesn't grasp anything other than a push for gun control and will never ever see their responsibility in this; false accusations against the GOP/Trump, Russians hacking in the election, the GOP/Trump being racists, GOP/Trump being against the Muslim religion ... and let's not forget the GOP consists of nothing but angry, rich, Christian white guys! I'm still waiting for a statement from Bernie!
Sen. Bernie Sanders statement on the baseball shooting. (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-read-the-statement-sen-bernie-sanders-1497457939-htmlstory.html) The link includes a video of him reading the statement on the Senate floor, and the text of the statement.
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(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/k8i5s7/picture156100674/alternates/FREE_640/HODGKINSON2) (http://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/M29IP8ZimT55_nUMjwxRiA/o.jpg)
Napoleon Complex, perhaps? 5 ft. 6 in. in height.
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The left doesn't grasp anything other than a push for gun control and will never ever see their responsibility in this; false accusations against the GOP/Trump, Russians hacking in the election, the GOP/Trump being racists, GOP/Trump being against the Muslim religion ... and let's not forget the GOP consists of nothing but angry, rich, Christian white guys! I'm still waiting for a statement from Bernie!
Actually, Bernie's statement was pretty strong.......
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448637/bernie-sanders-statement-shooting (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448637/bernie-sanders-statement-shooting)
He's a fruitcake, but I think he's pretty non-violent.
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It will be interesting to see if the shooting has any impact on the special Georgia run-off election next Tuesday.
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Sen. Bernie Sanders statement on the baseball shooting. (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-read-the-statement-sen-bernie-sanders-1497457939-htmlstory.html) The link includes a video of him reading the statement on the Senate floor, and the text of the statement.
You beat me to it! ^-^
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Of course, on days when the democrats are exposed for their irresponsible, criminal, extreme rhetoric lets forget about politics.
@skeeter
Not to worry. Give her 3 days,a week at the most,and she will be right back to back-biting politics.
Fish gotta swm,birds gotta fly,and Dims gotta lie for personal gain.
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Of course he did less than nothing. Have you ever met a home inspector that wasn't less than nothing?
(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/k8i5s7/picture156100674/alternates/FREE_640/HODGKINSON2)
Short man's syndrome??
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Yes, there are nutjobs on the right, but they - and "Pizzagate" - are irrelevant to this story, it appears.
@mountaineer
Not if the left can use alleged "nutjobs" on the right to provide tactical cover for their violent and murderous loons.
Let's not forget that it is the left that has murdered more people since 1917 that all other political movements in the entire span of civilization.
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This is why I said earlier that we have arrived at the point, where it is no longer possible to co-exist peaceably alongside one another in this country.
This is only going to escalate, whether we sit idle and do nothing to counter the calls for more 'resistance', or start fighting back.
Because the split second the push-back begins, the government will begin to crack down to bring order.
And that is where tyranny's final nail will be driven deep into the wood of liberty's coffin.
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Pretty much any trauma victim with that long a surgical procedure and presumably multiple transfusions will go to the ICU post op. Respiratory and renal function need to be closely monitored and further transfusion need is possible. It is not surprising at all he is in the icu which buys you a critical listing
@Mom MD
He apparently was bleeding quite heavily but was conscious.
On the plus side the nurses in the ICU tend to be cute. 11 days in there taught me to be thankful for the angels in the ICU.
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As evil as McAuliffe is,the guy that is his Lt Governor who is now running for Governor is even creepier. If this guy wins,it's over for Virginia.
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@Polly Ticks
She may be estranged but not divorced yet. They live in the metro St Louis area on the Illinois side. My divorce was handled in St Louis. Divorce petition filed on 12/26, divorce finalized on 6/18.
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@Mom MD
He apparently was bleeding quite heavily but was conscious.
On the plus side the nurses in the ICU tend to be cute. 11 days in there taught me to be thankful for the angels in the ICU.
Not only cute but they know their stuff! I am in awe of amazing nurses male and female. They have one of the toughest most thankless jobs in the world.
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Terry McAuliffe- if 93 million Americans die from gun violence everyday, we would have been extinct a long time ago.
@austingirl
Good thing numbers don't matter,huh?
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And, surprisingly coherent.
@Sanguine
Someone on her staff wrote it.
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@Polly Ticks
She may be estranged but not divorced yet. They live in the metro St Louis area on the Illinois side. My divorce was handled in St Louis. Divorce petition filed on 12/26, divorce finalized on 6/18.
@chae
You're probably right. I was just curious, as I hadn't heard anything much about her and whether she had any suspicions of him falling off the deep end.
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@austingirl
Good thing numbers don't matter,huh?
But at least he never said, "Macaca".
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Nice to see that the Clinton's bag man McUseless isn't letting a tragedy go to waste.
Hey Terry eff off right now ok.
@txradioguy
Bubba is a choir boy compared to Terrible Terry. When you look at the face of Terrible Terry,you are looking at the face of pure evil.
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(http://www.bnd.com/news/local/k8i5s7/picture156100674/alternates/FREE_640/HODGKINSON2) (http://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/M29IP8ZimT55_nUMjwxRiA/o.jpg)
Napoleon Complex, perhaps? 5 ft. 6 in. in height.
?? How about Audie Murphy? ??
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As a general remark, Nutjobs of the right, etc.
One can easily say now, the culprit is an anti-Trumper yet, if one said this, that post would be moderated. So, I hope the moderators might possibly look into this and its not just this post but a number in this thread.
As usual, we see a baffling statement where the "right" is criticized by those who purport to be conservative yet, name-called over someone calling the SPLC unwelcome here and said "who cares" about Obama using the "n" word. I don't mean to nitpick but there seems to be an inconsistency here and it hardly sounds like a Ted Cruz supporter would say such things.
Not trying to nitpick; but this is getting tiring.
@TomSea
It all makes sense once you realize they are all Bush Crime Family cultists. They hate and fear conservatives as much as their brothers on the left. They know they can do business as usual with the Dims,but actual conservatives would upset their apple carts.
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The old "zip gun" . I would be afraid to shoot with a barrel made from a car antenna. I don't see how it could possibly contain the pressure.
@DiogenesLamp
WHAT pressure? 50's car antennas were a hell of a lot thicker than the brass on a 22 casing.
My parents were ok with the zip gun,but got really irritated at me when I made my own black powder and cracked the sidewalk in front of our house when I tested it. Mostly because they had to pay the city to repair it. I think I was about 10 at the time.
It really is amazing what you can learn at a public library.
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@Cripplecreek
That is what I thought - with that many shots, many should have been shot. Thank god Scalise's guards were there and shot the shooter.
@Victoria33
Typical Dim ignorance. They hear the anti-gun propaganda about "deadly assault rifles set of spray and pray mowing down whole herds if wandering infants",and don't think aiming is necessary. After all,they are Dims,and all Dims KNOW it's the gun that does the killing.
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The left doesn't grasp anything other than a push for gun control and will never ever see their responsibility in this; false accusations against the GOP/Trump, Russians hacking in the election, the GOP/Trump being racists, GOP/Trump being against the Muslim religion ... and let's not forget the GOP consists of nothing but angry, rich, Christian white guys! I'm still waiting for a statement from Bernie!
@libertybele
He made one earlier.
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?? How about Audie Murphy? ??
Wasn't a dig at short men in general.
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Bimbo? You're being generous.
I know.
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Exactly my point. Saying something will never happen because it hasn't happened so far shows a lack of understanding about social forces and change.
Often they build slowly, then let go all at once. Like an avalanche, they are damned hard to predict, but you can often see the signs of something building.
One of my Favorite Scientists in History was Leo Szilard. He got on a train leaving Germany hours before they closed the borders to Jews trying to escape, seemingly as if he knew exactly when things would break.
@DiogenesLamp
He most likely did know. He was an intelligent man and was friends with intelligent Germans. No doubt one of more of his colleagues heard about it and passed him the word to get the hell out of Dodge,NOW.
Not all Germans were dedicated Nazi's and Jew-haters. Probably not even 20 percent of them,if you want me to pull a number out of the air.
The one number I am positive is pretty accurate is the number "100 percent" when it is related to the "number of Germans smart enough to stay quite to avoid taking train rides themselves".
I had a good friend in the US Army whose mother enrolled him in the Nazi Youth when he was a small child. He has told me he remembers being pushed out along the curb by his mother in his Nazi Youth uniform to give Hitler the Nazi salute when he rode past during parades. By the end of the war he and his mother were the only two living members of his family,and being a member of the Nazi Youth meant they would have an apartment and food to eat. It was about survival,not faith. His father and his uncles were all career German Army officers,and they all died on the Eastern Front.
By the time the war ended his mother was also killed during the bombing of Berlin. He was maybe 14,and the sole survivor of his family.
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?? How about Audie Murphy? ??
Exception to the rule?
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Too bad he can't be questioned- doubt if he was earlier.
@austingirl
I am laughing my ass off while thinking of all the idiot lefties who requested they be his facebook friends are slapping themselves on the foreheads now,and saying "WHY did I do that? WHY?????? WAAAAHHH!"
I have no doubt some of those idiots will be answering knocks on their doors in the next day or two.
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Gingrich on his soapbox right now.
Too bad they can't just offer prayers and not exploit something unavoidable.
Wasn't Palin's fault that Gabby Giffords was shot and this shooting's blame belongs to the shooter ALONE.
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Really @txradioguy ... NOW you want fair and balanced? Who the hell has been calling for impeachment and resistance since Nov. 9th?
@Right_in_Virginia @txradioguy
LOL!
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Gingrich on his soapbox right now.
Too bad they can't just offer prayers and not exploit something unavoidable.
Wasn't Palin's fault that Gabby Giffords was shot and this shooting's blame belongs to the shooter ALONE.
So you see no connection between this idiots act and the increasing calls for violence on the left at large.
Even though his act AND his own words directly reflect them.
No sale.
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@austingirl
I am laughing my ass off while thinking of all the idiot lefties who requested they be his facebook friends are slapping themselves on the foreheads now,and saying "WHY did I do that? WHY?????? WAAAAHHH!"
I have no doubt some of those idiots will be answering knocks on their doors in the next day or two.
Good point @sneakypete. Listening to presser now- apparently the leftist shooter was in the area since March and may have been living in his car.
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Maybe you could save that for another time and place.
@Sanguine @txradioguy @Right_in_Virginia
WHY would he want to? To repay txradioguy for all the kindnesses he has shown towards people that voted for Trump? (EXTREME sarcasm in this one)
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@txradioguy
@Right_in_Virginia
I'm betting the slap fights Bathhouse Barry used to get into in Chicago were epic events. Hair pulled,faces scratched,hissy-fits all OVER the damn place!
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Just like Obama telegraphs that rioting and shooting cops is OK, Trump has made it clear that the media are a legitimate target ("A clear and present danger")
@Cripplecreek
You say that just like he is wrong and the media are our friends.
The truth is they are our most dangerous enemy.
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Give me a break.
On this very site someone proposed marching on Washington DC with guns.
I don't see either side as better with calls to violence any more.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure @skeeter
You are misquoting me there,either by mistake or purposely. I wrote that if things kept going the way they were going it wouldn't surprise me to see that happening. I dd NOT "propose" we do it.
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I work in a medical environment that many on the right now consider to be left wing (Politics are strictly off limits there) and the threats I see seem to be coming from the right almost exclusively. Sadly I agree with the core issues of many of their complaints but there is no such thing as good irrationality and they are only driving me away. Not to the left, but away.
@Cripplecreek
If that is what is making you act like Arianna,you need a different job and different friends.
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By the time the war ended his mother was also killed during the bombing of Berlin. He was maybe 14,and the sole survivor of his family.
I once worked with a couple of German immigrants who were about that age at the end of the war. One told me he was placed in the navy and put on a ship that stayed in port. The war ended and we put them on a ship that sailed to New York Harbor where they could see the Statue of Liberty. In a few days they sailed back to Germany and he was released.
The other said he was put in the army where they were given rifles and uniforms and put on a road to the front, the eldest as leader. When they came to a stream the leader had them throw the rifles and uniforms into the water and they walked to a town where they tried to fit in. The Americans weren't fooled so they were placed in a camp for a short time and then released.
Those were their stories as I recall them. It seemed clear that there were few German believers by war's end.
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We should now capitalize on this opportunity to bring about more gun control.
A law should be passed that no one who is currently registered as a Democrat will be allowed to buy, sell or lawfully possess any firearm.
(It's no more absurd than some of their own harebrained schemes.)
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This is my point. Not to say there aren't wackos on both sides, there always have been; but its clearly the left that has institutionalized the hatred and is driving things to a violent conclusion.
@skeeter
I know I am going to get slammed for this,but no longer give a damn. The FACT is that the Dims are "herd people",not individuals and leaders. Most are incapable of thinking for themselves and making rational decisions,which is why they dream of being a part of the Borg,where they are told what to do and how to do it so that nothing is ever their fault.
THAT is what makes those people so dangerous. They swallow the rhetoric whole and believe every word they hear from people like the Clintons and Bathhouse Barry is the pure gospel truth. They are drones with pulses.
On the other hand,most conservatives are smart and capable enough they want to live free to make their own decisions. Including making up their own minds about what is true and what is false.
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@Cripplecreek
If that is what is making you act like Arianna,you need a different job and different friends.
Fascinating, isn't it? A continuing stream of what is wrong with conservatives.
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We can only hope self preservation rules the day. Perhaps the Secret Service needs to get some CCW permits quickly approved for members of the Executive and those that are willing to carry in the House and Senate.
Back to the days of Reagan when even the POTUS kept a .38 in his briefcase.
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@txradioguy
They are just being "politik". The truth is there is not a cop in DC that is going to arrest a sober congresscritter or US Senator for carrying a concealed gun. Remember the "BIG Hoo Hah" over one of Senator Ted Kennedy's personal bodyguards getting caught with a loaded Uzi under his jacket when he went through the "wrong" entrance that had a metal detector?
Probably not. Reported once and disappeared. He was "detained" for maybe 15 minutes until a call could get through to Kennedy's office,and they immediately gave him the Uzi back and let him go.
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Here's an interesting question : How does a schlub like this guy know that the Congressmen are playing a baseball game?
This isn't very public knowledge. It isn't even in the news.
@SirLinksALot
It's hardly a secret. It's a public park,and they had been practicing there pretty much every morning for the last two months,and this has been going on for years. You didn't hear about it before this because it isn't news.
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Fascinating, isn't it? A continuing stream of what is wrong with conservatives.
What conservatives are you referring to?
@Cripplecreek IS a conservative. Those he criticizes are not.
Besides which, why is there call for personal attacks on this thread?
Stop it.
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It is the atmosphere that the 'rats have created, beginning with Barack Hussein Obama
and the police shootings.
This assassination attempt can be laid at their feet.
Bastards, all.
@Old Warrior in Exile
Too bad the shooter died. Bathhouse Barry could have invited him to some exclusive golf course bar for a "beer summit".
OOOPS! That's right,THIS murderer is white,and only BLACK criminals got invited to beer summits.
My bad.
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Malcolm HarrisVerified account @BigMeanInternet
If the shooter has a serious health condition then is taking potshots at the GOP house leadership considered self defense?
Malcolm is an employee of VOX.
@Right_in_Virginia
I have been predicting ever since the shooting happened that it wouldn't take the left more than a day or two to justify the shooting by saying "the poor man was distressed because the evil Republicans took away his Obomber Care!"
Didn't even take them until dark.
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Quite a few people have been suggesting that we may be headed for a second civil war in this country.
Personally, I would prefer to avoid such talk, as any such development would be utterly devastating--to put it mildly.
But I do have to wonder if these were just the opening shots fired in such a war.
(Obviously, the shooter was unhinged; nonetheless, it is an open question, I think, as to whether others may follow his lead--and justify it with the platitude, "The end justifies the means.")
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We should now capitalize on this opportunity to bring about more gun control.
A law should be passed that no one who is currently registered as a Democrat will be allowed to buy, sell or lawfully possess any firearm.
(It's no more absurd than some of their own harebrained schemes.)
:amen:
And might I suggest any registered republican or conservative have immediate nation wide constitutional carry.
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:amen:
And might I suggest any registered republican or conservative have immediate nation wide constitutional carry.
Sounds good to me.
I am interested in finding where and when the leftist shooter obtained his guns and his previous experience with firearms, if any.
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Gingrich on his soapbox right now.
Too bad they can't just offer prayers and not exploit something unavoidable.
Wasn't Palin's fault that Gabby Giffords was shot and this shooting's blame belongs to the shooter ALONE.
@Rivergirl
Gingrich can't not climb on his soapbox. He loves the sound of his own voice too much.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure @skeeter
You are misquoting me there,either by mistake or purposely. I wrote that if things kept going the way they were going it wouldn't surprise me to see that happening. I dd NOT "propose" we do it.
Exactly. If one side continues to provoke with violence the other will eventually respond.
While those who respond will be and should be responsible for whatever action they end up taking still they will have been acting defensively.
To be sure once both sides square up the results will be very bad.
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@Cripplecreek
If that is what is making you act like Arianna,you need a different job and different friends.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt. :whistle:
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Quite a few people have been suggesting that we may be headed for a second civil war in this country.
Personally, I would prefer to avoid such talk, as any such development would be utterly devastating--to put it mildly.
But I do have to wonder if these were just the opening shots fired in such a war.
(Obviously, the shooter was unhinged; nonetheless, it is an open question, I think, as to whether others may follow his lead--and justify it with the platitude, "The end justifies the means.")
@pjohns
(Obviously, the shooter was unhinged;
So was the leftist that shot the Arch-Duke that started WW-1.
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So was the leftist that shot the Arch-Duke that started WW-1.
That's funny - I recall him being a Serbian Nationalist, not a Commie.
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Barely 11 minutes ago Mod2 asked politely that we stay on topic. No more debate over Rush Limbaugh on this thread.
Sorry...only saw this after I mentioned Rush in a response.
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That Shakespeare Play isn't so funny anymore, is it?
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That's funny - I recall him being a Serbian Nationalist, not a Commie.
@INVAR
He was an anarchist that turned out to have a good press agent.
Serbian Nationalists weren't socialists/communists?
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Many of us have noticed the increasingly violent nature of the left's political rhetoric over the past years, which has accelerated in the past several months.
What in the world is wrong with suggesting that what clearly is an assassination attempt is a result of this trend? How in the world do you expect to prevent more violence if we do not identify its root cause?
Well, I think I can see why the Left are such apologists for the jihadis they seem to give a free pass every time they turn around.
Lest we fall prey to the same mindset, I would have to credit the "radical" Democrat Party with a terrorist event.
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Pretty much any trauma victim with that long a surgical procedure and presumably multiple transfusions will go to the ICU post op. Respiratory and renal function need to be closely monitored and further transfusion need is possible. It is not surprising at all he is in the icu which buys you a critical listing
It is easier to secure the area in ICU as well, at least in most hospitals I have been in. Access is limited from the git-go.
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Lest we fall prey to the same mindset, I would have to credit the "radical" Democrat Party with a terrorist event.
This is one of those times where I wish the Republicans and Conservative media would take a page from the DNC playbook and use every bit of guile and pulpit pounding to lay this shooting squarely at the feet of every Democrat in D.C. and in every state house in the Country.
Let the Dems have to counter punch from their heels for once.
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Maybe, Moore is an intelligent man but not quick witted in political speak like we have grown accustomed to seeing in today's politics.
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Funny you should mention your DU mole account, I have a early 2003 or 2004 account there, but it is not a deep mole, cause it has like 15 posts is all. I always felt dirty trying to fake being a lefty scum. Making up fake comments just wasn't fun when trying to fool the local scum.
LOL! I tried back when. I think i was banned on my second or third post. I haven't been back.
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He was an anarchist that turned out to have a good press agent.
Serbian Nationalists weren't socialists/communists?
Uhhh... no.
Serbian Nationalists were Greek Orthodox Christians who opposed the Austro-Hungarian Empire's rule over their territories. Gavrillo Princip was a guerrilla fighter who fought against the Ottoman Turk Muslims and opposed the Austro-Hungarian regime after it implemented martial law to quell all Serbian Independence and nationalist groups. He declared himself a nationalist hero for Serbia after gunning down the Archduke and his wife.
WWI started because Europe assumed that the Serbian government used the Black Hand guerrilla group as a proxy to kill the Archduke and thus all the secret defense treaties that Europe signed with one another cascaded into world war.
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Fascinating, isn't it? A continuing stream of what is wrong with conservatives.
@truth_seeker
I'm not arrogant enough to think that conservatives are above criticism. We're not snowflakes. Criticism can be constructive, and there isn't a person in the world who doesn't need it sometimes.
@Cripplecreek is a solid Constitutionalist and a social conservative. He hasn't changed since I've known him.
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My grandmother used to say, "That's no reason to be ugly."
No, the bimbo is ugly because of genetics. Maybe they factor in on her being a bimbo, too, but I think it is a learned behaviour.
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@Rivergirl
Gingrich can't not climb on his soapbox. He loves the sound of his own voice too much.
@CatherineofAragon
Liberals or democrats ever get your criticisms?
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@truth_seeker
I'm not arrogant enough to think that conservatives are above criticism. We're not snowflakes. Criticism can be constructive, and there isn't a person in the world who doesn't need it sometimes.
@Cripplecreek is a solid Constitutionalist and a social conservative. He hasn't changed since I've known him.
Are You Drunk?
Who says "Who cares" when someone brings up Obama used the "n" word, CC.
Who calls someone a snowflake as you have too, because someone mentions that someone used info from the SPLC? CC.
I think we are seeing people's true colors.
I voted for life, I can't judge for anyone else but myself but you seem to enjoy putting others down, talking about the other website on news threads and accusing others who have no chance to defend themselves.
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5'-6" angry short man syndrome
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Are You Drunk?
Who says "Who cares" when someone brings up Obama used the "n" word, CC.
Who calls someone a snowflake as you have too, because someone mentions that someone used info from the SPLC? CC.
I think we are seeing people's true colors.
I voted for life, I can't judge for anyone else but myself but you seem to enjoy putting others down, talking about the other website on news threads and accusing others who have no chance to defend themselves.
@TomSea
She's not drunk and you seem to be a slow learner.
Knock off the personal attacks and get on topic or you're going to be the next contestant on "How long is my timeout for this time?"
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,265122.0.html
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@truth_seeker
I'm not arrogant enough to think that conservatives are above criticism. We're not snowflakes. Criticism can be constructive, and there isn't a person in the world who doesn't need it sometimes.
@Cripplecreek is a solid Constitutionalist and a social conservative. He hasn't changed since I've known him.
Gee, thanks for giving me a good dressing down. I really needed that. Supporters of the duly elected Republican President of the United States, need to know their proper place on a site with "GOP" in the name, and a Reagan masthead.
How awful I forget my proper place. But Trump supporters have been called Nazi, Fascist, losers, bootlickers, goose steppers, fanatics, militants, worshippers, and plenty more for over a year.
But again, sorry I occasionally forget my place, and snap off a remark from the minority here; e.g. Trump supporters.
Noting one-sided moderating, from Mod3 for TomSea.
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Gee, thanks for giving me a good dressing down. I really needed that. Supporters of the duly elected Republican President of the United States, need to know their proper place on a site with "GOP" in the name, and a Reagan masthead.
How awful I forget my proper place. But Trump supporters have been called Nazi, Fascist, losers, bootlickers, goose steppers, fanatics, militants, worshippers, and plenty more for over a year.
But again, sorry I occasionally forget my place, and snap off a remark from the minority here; e.g. Trump supporters.
Noting one-sided moderating, from Mod3 for TomSea.
Would you like to move to the front of the line?
Stop whining.
The owner has been very gracious and very VERY fair to both sides, yet only one side continually complains about alleged unfair treatment and constantly stirs the pot.
And while you're "noting" things @truth_seeker how about you note that if this were truly the horrible place you claim it is, you wouldn't have your tiny soapbox from with to complain at TBR.
Whine again about the false "unfair treatment" and see what happens.
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This is one of those times where I wish the Republicans and Conservative media would take a page from the DNC playbook and use every bit of guile and pulpit pounding to lay this shooting squarely at the feet of every Democrat in D.C. and in every state house in the Country.
Let the Dems have to counter punch from their heels for once.
@txradioguy
They are NOT going to do that,though. It "wouldn't be prudent and might make people not like them."
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If I can bring everyone back from the petty fighting going on the last few pages.....Something Big happening at Travis Air Force Base, now in lock down.
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Gee, thanks for giving me a good dressing down. I really needed that. Supporters of the duly elected Republican President of the United States, need to know their proper place on a site with "GOP" in the name, and a Reagan masthead.
How awful I forget my proper place. But Trump supporters have been called Nazi, Fascist, losers, bootlickers, goose steppers, fanatics, militants, worshippers, and plenty more for over a year.
But again, sorry I occasionally forget my place, and snap off a remark from the minority here; e.g. Trump supporters.
Noting one-sided moderating, from Mod3 for TomSea.
@truth_seeker
What's with the drama? I responded to your post.
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If I can bring everyone back from the petty fighting going on the last few pages.....Something Big happening at Travis Air Force Base, now in lock down.
Originally I saw shooter on base, but it looks like it was a false alarm, thank God...
http://www.kcra.com/article/travis-air-base-security-incident-a-false-alarm/10024987 (http://www.kcra.com/article/travis-air-base-security-incident-a-false-alarm/10024987)
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Malcolm is an employee of VOX.
@Right_in_Virginia
I have been predicting ever since the shooting happened that it wouldn't take the left more than a day or two to justify the shooting by saying "the poor man was distressed because the evil Republicans took away his Obomber Care!"
Didn't even take them until dark.
How many millions are distressed because Obummer care took away their insurance and/or their full time job? It not only made it mandatory for full-time employees, but made insurance far more expensive for less real coverage because of the specifications involved. A lot of catastrophic care policies just disappeared.
Yet none of those people who LOST their insurance have gone on shooting sprees. Maybe it's because they're working two jobs...
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Sounds good to me.
I am interested in finding where and when the leftist shooter obtained his guns and his previous experience with firearms, if any.
Yep. That could be telling. Especially if the shooter was considered highly qualified at any time in the past.
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If I can bring everyone back from the petty fighting going on the last few pages.....Something Big happening at Travis Air Force Base, now in lock down.
UPDATE (5:05 PM) Travis Air Force Base emergency personnel responded to reports of gun shots at the Base Exchange. However, it was determined to be a false alarm. The base is no longer under lockdown.
Travis Air Force Base is currently responding to a real world security incident. More details will be released as they become available. The public is being asked to stay away from the base to ensure emergency responders can respond accordingly.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Travis-Air-Force-Base-on-Lockdown-Amid-Real-World-Security-Incident-Officials-428515163.html
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Originally I saw shooter on base, but it looks like it was a false alarm, thank God...
http://www.kcra.com/article/travis-air-base-security-incident-a-false-alarm/10024987 (http://www.kcra.com/article/travis-air-base-security-incident-a-false-alarm/10024987)
Yes, thank God.
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UPDATE (5:05 PM) Travis Air Force Base emergency personnel responded to reports of gun shots at the Base Exchange. However, it was determined to be a false alarm. The base is no longer under lockdown.
Travis Air Force Base is currently responding to a real world security incident. More details will be released as they become available. The public is being asked to stay away from the base to ensure emergency responders can respond accordingly.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Travis-Air-Force-Base-on-Lockdown-Amid-Real-World-Security-Incident-Officials-428515163.html
"Real world security incident"?
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"Real world security incident"?
My SiL is an Air Force policeman... he says that could be anything from an active shooter to someone entering the flight line who isn't supposed to be there to someone breaching the perimeter fence.
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Gee, thanks for giving me a good dressing down. I really needed that. Supporters of the duly elected Republican President of the United States, need to know their proper place on a site with "GOP" in the name, and a Reagan masthead.
How awful I forget my proper place. But Trump supporters have been called Nazi, Fascist, losers, bootlickers, goose steppers, fanatics, militants, worshippers, and plenty more for over a year.
But again, sorry I occasionally forget my place, and snap off a remark from the minority here; e.g. Trump supporters.
Noting one-sided moderating, from Mod3 for TomSea.
Yep! :nometalk:
@mystery-ak
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCUbHruUMAA2yCI.jpg)
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Trump leaving the WH to visit Scalise in the hospital. Motorcade on the move.
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Yep. That could be telling. Especially if the shooter was considered highly qualified at any time in the past.
I would imagine shooting a long gun thru a cyclone fence would hinder accurate siting.
Good thing the gate to the field was padlocked, or there would be fatalities for sure.
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"Real world security incident"?
Yeah....you know. Those are all the ones that aren't the fake world security incidents. ^-^
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I would imagine shooting a long gun thru a cyclone fence would hinder accurate siting.
Good thing the gate to the field was padlocked, or there would be fatalities for sure.
Looked like chain link to me. Not that I have done that, but I doubt it would be that much of a problem, if you meant sighting. It would only interfere with leading the target because the shooter would have to move rather than swing the barrel. Even with the gate locked, the important aspect was the response by armed Capitol Hill Police. Without that, the shooter had several minutes to work with. Plenty of time.
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This is one of those times where I wish the Republicans and Conservative media would take a page from the DNC playbook and use every bit of guile and pulpit pounding to lay this shooting squarely at the feet of every Democrat in D.C. and in every state house in the Country.
Let the Dems have to counter punch from their heels for once.
:thumbsup:
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Yep. That could be telling. Especially if the shooter was considered highly qualified at any time in the past.
The shooter missed approx. 45 of 50 shots. And of the few he tagged, how many are still living?
I think it goes without saying that he wasn't 'highly qualified' . Heck, most women I know shoot better than that.
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How many millions are distressed because Obummer care took away their insurance and/or their full time job?
@Smokin Joe
Nobody knows,and nobody will ever know because the media has no interest in writing about those people.
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Looked like chain link to me. Not that I have done that, but I doubt it would be that much of a problem, if you meant sighting. It would only interfere with leading the target because the shooter would have to move rather than swing the barrel. Even with the gate locked, the important aspect was the response by armed Capitol Hill Police. Without that, the shooter had several minutes to work with. Plenty of time.
They're one and the same, @Smokin Joe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain-link_fencing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain-link_fencing)
Furthermore, the Capitol Hill Police were already on site...they were part of the Congressman's protection detail.
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Way late to the party and all I have to say is if you are going to waste your life by pulling a stunt like this FOR GODS SAKES make it count.
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Heck, most women I know shoot better than that.
@roamer_1
Ouch! That one is likely to cost you.
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The shooter missed approx. 45 of 50 shots. And of the few he tagged, how many are still living?
I think it goes without saying that he wasn't 'highly qualified' . Heck, most women I know shoot better than that.
Since he was from Illinois where he probably could not get a gun, I think he bought them recently. His shooting was poor, thank God. I really want to know how and where he got the rifle and pistol.
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Since he was from Illinois where he probably could not get a gun, I think he bought them recently. His shooting was poor, thank God. I really want to know how and where he got the rifle and pistol.
Hmmmm. Just heard that a neighbor said he was shooting his rifle last March in Illinois.
He was living in his white cargo van that last three months. White cargo van-those vehicles are often used in heinous crimes, it seems.
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The shooter missed approx. 45 of 50 shots. And of the few he tagged, how many are still living?
I think it goes without saying that he wasn't 'highly qualified' . Heck, most women I know shoot better than that.
Most women I know shoot better than that, too--far better. If I had a ten percent hit rate, even on moving targets, Mrs Joe would have howled about wasting ammo, and showed me how it's done..
But I think he hit who he came for. I think the rest was window dressing.
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Since he was from Illinois where he probably could not get a gun, I think he bought them recently. His shooting was poor, thank God. I really want to know how and where he got the rifle and pistol.
I think I heard he lived right across the Missouri line... You don't have to go too far into Missouri to find guns. I don't really think guns are illegal in rural Illinois. Heck, give me 3 days and 500 bucks and I will find a gun right in Chicago, without any paperwork...
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They're one and the same, @Smokin Joe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain-link_fencing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain-link_fencing)
Furthermore, the Capitol Hill Police were already on site...they were part of the Congressman's protection detail.
Out this way, I have heard cyclone fence used to refer to snow fence, rather than chain link. Sorry to not be more explicit. If the Capitol Hill Police had not been there as part of his security detail and returned fire...(the response I was referring to, not coming in from a remote location).
Which only emphasizes the need for a weapon that is seconds away from being used (and very few of those seconds) instead of waiting three to four minutes (incredibly short response, imho) for the police to show up. A minute can be a lifetime.
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It is far better that acts of rage be unfocused and incompetent than focused and competent.
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It is far better that acts of rage be unfocused and incompetent than focused and competent.
I fully agree, but some folks might say that depends on who is ticked off at whom.
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The shooter missed approx. 45 of 50 shots. And of the few he tagged, how many are still living?
I think it goes without saying that he wasn't 'highly qualified' . Heck, most women I know shoot better than that.
Hmmm. Sounds like you know the wrong women.
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Hmmm. Sounds like you know the wrong women.
888high58888
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Hmmmm. Just heard that a neighbor said he was shooting his rifle last March in Illinois.
He was living in his white cargo van that last three months. White cargo van-those vehicles are often used in heinous crimes, it seems.
The white cargo van has been the generic tradesman's vehicle in the DC Metro area (at least) since Chief Moose was blaming some white guy for picking off random people around the Beltway. It's harder to steal tools out of than the back of a pickup.
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Most women I know shoot better than that, too--far better. If I had a ten percent hit rate, even on moving targets, Mrs Joe would have howled about wasting ammo, and showed me how it's done..
Yep.
But I think he hit who he came for. I think the rest was window dressing.
Hard telling... 3rd base / shortstop was closest target of opportunity. And even that was a poor-ass shot. With a rifle at that distance?? I'd be hard pressed to miss that shot with a snap shot from a pistol.
But, it sounds like he was casing the place... and laying low.. so you might be right in what he was attempting.
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I fully agree, but some folks might say that depends on who is ticked off at whom.
Some folks never imagine that acts of mindless rage might ever affect them or someone they love.
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Some folks never imagine that acts of mindless rage might ever affect them or someone they love.
Exactly. A mob is like a wildfire. If the wind shifts, you're next. Since the essential element in a mob is a crowd, I don't trust those either.
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Hmmm. Sounds like you know the wrong women.
Nope... But even here, it goes without saying that most men hunt, and few women do. They'll do to dispatch a varmint if the old man ain't around, and many women I know are good shots. But it's but a few that are equal to men at it... Mostly it's the old man's job to do the killing, whatever killing it is...
Generally, women do it only of a necessity (even slaughtering chickens, as an instance). Men do it because it's in their DNA.
Hence, just from the position of surety and practice, men are seldom less equipped.
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He was living in his white cargo van.
Down by the river?
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Down by the river?
Was his alias Bruce Berry? I understand he drove an Econoline Van
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Was his alias Bruce Berry? I understand he drove an Econoline Van
Nope. Matt Foley.
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Down by the river?
I can't see real good is that bill Shakespeare over there? Well ladifrickingda!
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I was on the road for about 6 hours today, so I got to hear lots of talk radio.
On one show, the point being made was that the Democrats (or Left) were pushing the idea that the environment and climate are so important that it will cost lives to have the Republicans in power. That sort of rhetoric inflamed people who might think it would be worth it to kill a few to save many.
There are some here who might even want to shut such speech down.
But I think that's a dangerous path. Remember, that would have shut down Sarah Palin warning against death panels, as someone might have taken it as important to kill a few to save many.
Let's not destroy America to save it.
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My God, people are going insane...
No, the libs will say the guns are going insane.
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Unfortunately, this could as easily be someone from the alt-right who decided to do something about those treasonous RINOs in Congress.
That is a stupid comment and belies the facts of what actually happened.
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That is a stupid comment and belies the facts of what actually happened.
Waitaminit...I thought pepe's peeps were on the train.
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Hmmm. Sounds like you know the wrong women.
LOL! :laugh:
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I just heard, but haven't confirmed, he used a SKS rifle. Basically an antique. Destroys some anti gun arguments about assault rifles in this. Even some of the most anti gun states exempt old rifles like the SKS.
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That is a stupid comment and belies the facts of what actually happened.
No, @Oceander is correct with his statement.
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Looking around on Twitter...it's a pain to copy and paste with this phone, but Scalise is critical with internal organ damage, broken bones, severe bleeding, and he's going to need multiple surgeries. He could probably use some prayer...his family, too.
Trump visited him at the hospital tonight, which was decent, and he tweeted about it.
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Looking around on Twitter...it's a pain to copy and paste with this phone, but Scalise is critical with internal organ damage, broken bones, severe bleeding, and he's going to need multiple surgeries. He could probably use some prayer...his family, too.
Trump visited him at the hospital tonight, which was decent, and he tweeted about it.
Praying for him, his family, and all the injured. Grateful for the hero Capitol Police officers.
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Makes one wonder. If he was in town living in his van, I wonder if his desired target was POTUS but got tired of waiting for the opportunity, and chose a softer target.
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Makes one wonder. If he was in town living in his van, I wonder if his desired target was POTUS but got tired of waiting for the opportunity, and chose a softer target.
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@NavyCanDo
That is a very real possibility. After all,his focus was on Trump first,and the other Republicans were of secondary importance.
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@truth_seeker
I'm not arrogant enough to think that conservatives are above criticism. We're not snowflakes. Criticism can be constructive, and there isn't a person in the world who doesn't need it sometimes.
@Cripplecreek is a solid Constitutionalist and a social conservative. He hasn't changed since I've known him.
@CatherineofAragon @musiclady
I'm just man enough to ignore them like it was suggested we all do if we must. If Its going to be a one way street I can live with that too because I'm more of a man than all of them put together.
As I warned they would eventually turn on those who don't hate the right people.
888high58888
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This is why I said earlier that we have arrived at the point, where it is no longer possible to co-exist peaceably alongside one another in this country.
This is only going to escalate, whether we sit idle and do nothing to counter the calls for more 'resistance', or start fighting back.
Because the split second the push-back begins, the government will begin to crack down to bring order.
And that is where tyranny's final nail will be driven deep into the wood of liberty's coffin.
This is, of course, INVAR's usual apocalyptic hyperventilating gonzo talk, but this assassination attempt was clearly the spawn of the bloodsport mentality that has poisoned political dialogue since Bork. It's worse than it's ever been.
But it's an act that can jolt folks to their senses too. This wasn't some Muslim bogeyman, this was one of us - a middle-aged white guy and (presumably) lawful gun owner, obsessed with politics on the internet. A left wing crazy, to be sure, but I've seem the type on our "side" too.
The best revenge is to sweep the special election in Georgia next Tuesday, and send the message that hate-boner politics is antithetical to the peoples' business.
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Was his alias Bruce Berry? I understand he drove an Econoline Van
There's a warning sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them
So I try to forget it any way I can
Keep on rockin' in the free world
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There's a warning sign on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin' we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them
So I try to forget it any way I can
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Dang for almost 30 years I thought he was saying "I am the lamb"
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Christy Steen shared a link to the group: Terminate The Republican Party.
6 hrs ·
You know I don't feel any thing for those that got shot in VA. Trump and his Republicans are causing people to be pissed off. They are afraid of what Trump and his people will do...... it is OBVIOUS that they want to hurt us.
I'm telling you all that if they try to take away our health care and food stamps.... you think what happened at this ball park will STOP? NOT!!!!! They will cause MAJOR chaos. People will go after any one that supports Trump.... any one that calls themselves Republican.
You have to know the anger that TRUMP and his people are creating.... the cause and affect of their actions.... Pain... suffering... people aren't just going to sit back and say... go ahead and make me suffer.... they will FIGHT!!!!
Think of the violence the Trump supporters are doing to us.... TRUMP seems to not care about the harm they are doing. People getting beat or killed because they aren't WHITE.... but this is ok???????? Trump making it ok for the mentally ILL to have a GUN... all of this VIOLENCE is on TRUMP's hands!!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1415090015389620/search/?query=knew%20this%20would%20happen
The human debris at Fakebook seems to thing this is ok.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1415090015389620/search/?query=knew%20this%20would%20happen
"I'm telling you all that if they try to take away our health care and food stamps.."
In lies the root cause... When the entitlement junkies start losing their "free stuff"........ Blood in the streets will start.
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In lies the root cause... When the entitlement junkies start losing their "free stuff"........ Blood in the streets will start.
For decades we have been told the militia groups, Tea Party types and the general Right Wing were the ones going to start a war against the govt'. Obama's Justice Dept wrote a report stating as much. Funny how things actually turn out.
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For decades we have been told the militia groups, Tea Party types and the general Right Wing were the ones going to start a war against the govt'. Obama's Justice Dept wrote a report stating as much. Funny how things actually turn out.
Yep, but we'd also predicted when the EBT cards ran dry, the S would HTF. I seriously hope the Obamaphones go dark first. At least it would slow the horde down.
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Looks like Bob Beckel to me. BTW, I've seen Beckel get so worked up at conservativism that it wouldn't surprise me if he turned very violent in the right setting.
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I've seen my share of right wing and left wing blowhards on the internet over the years, but this is the only one I've ever seen actually act on it. Maybe except Timothy McVeigh? That was right in the infancy of the internet so I guess he didn't have much of an online presence. And he wasn't really a mainstream partisan political enthusiast.
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Looks like Bob Beckel to me. BTW, I've seen Beckel get so worked up at conservativism that it wouldn't surprise me if he turned very violent in the right setting.
(http://i.imgur.com/srxaGru.png)
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I just saw a retweet on Ben Shapiro's Twitter that Scalise's condition has been downgraded from critical to grave, but some are saying that information came from Tucker Carlson, and that he got it wrong.
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I just saw a retweet on Ben Shapiro's Twitter that Scalise's condition has been downgraded from critical to grave, but some are saying that information came from Tucker Carlson, and that he got it wrong.
Fox news said it was downgraded to critical. They want to use the words downgraded so it's probably because of that.
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Fox news said it was downgraded to critical. They want to use the words downgraded so it's probably because of that.
*****rollingeyes*****
Sensationalist jerks.
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
:amen: AND :amen:
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
Agree. But will anyone listen? Lots of folks are invested in the civil war narrative:
When it finally dawns on enough Conservatives and Republicans that we can no longer co-exist with the other half of the population in this country . . .
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
Another hearty AMEN to that!
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*****rollingeyes*****
Sensationalist jerks.
:nometalk:
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
Anger is counterproductive often; but I haven't see that stop folks.
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Fox is doing a great job; we will hear up to date news.
But those who seem to criticize only conservatives while insisting they are conservatives may find fault.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCSk8L3UIAEOKlq.jpg)
Drudge is on top of this, "the new face of hate." The leftwingers (sorry if this offends some people *****rollingeyes***** ) are really taking our country to the dumps.
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Right now, we might try focusing on Rep. Scalise's condition and praying for him, instead of taking swipes at other people.
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I've scoured fox news and haven't seen this "downgraded" term; we must be careful if those who are notorious for not backing up their info; just cavalierly say things with no proof; they might even slander.
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Yes, prayers for Rep. Scalise and his family are in order.
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All I've found is that he's critical and will need a third surgery. Let's post updates whenever we find them. And may God heal him!
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Sincere question---will this be a prayer thread, and should we create another one for other aspects of the discussion?
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I've scoured fox news and haven't seen this "downgraded" term; we must be careful if those who are notorious for not backing up their info; just cavalierly say things with no proof; they might even slander.
@TomSea
It was on the TV this morning. Verbal ya know, talkie talkie
So I'm notorious eh.
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
Please, do let us know when the time is right for anger @Rivergirl
Thanks ever so.
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Sincere question---will this be a prayer thread, and should we create another one for other aspects of the discussion?
I would keep this one for news discussion and start a separate thread for prayers and updates on Scalises' condition.
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Looks like Hannity did his show live from the field where people were almost massacred and spent his time railing against Robert Mueller.
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I would keep this one for news discussion and start a separate thread for prayers and updates on Scalises' condition.
Okay, that's fair.
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In lies the root cause... When the entitlement junkies start losing their "free stuff"........ Blood in the streets will start.
@catfish1957
When you quit feeding your pets,they will try to eat you.
It is a complete mystery to me why ANYONE can't understand such a basic fact.
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Yep, but we'd also predicted when the EBT cards ran dry, the S would HTF. I seriously hope the Obamaphones go dark first. At least it would slow the horde down.
@Smokin Joe
If there is one thing you can be certain of it is that NOBODY will have working telephones once the mass rioting starts. Nobody but the government employees with encrypted government phones whose job it is to bust heads and break riots,that is.
The government is more than content to sit by and watch thee and me get attacked,but there is no way in HELL they are going to sit idle while the government is getting attacked.
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Please, do let us know when the time is right for anger @Rivergirl
Thanks ever so.
If we can't be angry when a radical leftist tries to assassinate Republicans when is it appropriate to get angry? Do we need to wait until we have actually dug our own graves and are standing in them? If not for his inability to aim his gun and the armed security we'd likely be looking at a minimum of 5 to 10 dead Congressmen.
Most Congressmen do not have armed security outside of the Capital building. Meanwhile many leftists continue with the violent rhetoric.
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Right now, we might try focusing on Rep. Scalise's condition and praying for him, instead of taking swipes at other people.
@mountaineer
Put our heads in the sand by focusing on that one man who is in the hospital and being treated,while ignoring the daily threats to white people in general and all Republicans in particular?
How does that solve anything?
I don't much give a damn if anybody likes it or not because it is not a matter of like,it's a matter of fact. When you ignore aggression,you just get more of it. Stand up to it,and it will go away.
The next time the left and their black footsoldiers riot in the streets and start attacking whites,whites need to start busting heads. We will only have to do it one time,and things will go quiet for the next 10 years or so. If they don't,it will only inspire lefties in other big cities all over America to do their own "free shopping","justice" rapes and murders,arson,etc,etc,etc.
You might not like this observation,and in fact I don't like it myself,but liking or not liking something does nothing to alter the need to do it.
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All I've found is that he's critical and will need a third surgery. Let's post updates whenever we find them. And may God heal him!
@mountaineer
3rd surgery in less than 24 hours is NOT good.
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Please, do let us know when the time is right for anger @Rivergirl
Thanks ever so.
@Right_in_Virginia
You do sarcasm so much better than me that I am eaten alive with jealousy,
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If we can't be angry when a radical leftist tries to assassinate Republicans when is it appropriate to get angry? Do we need to wait until we have actually dug our own graves and are standing in them?
@driftdiver
Why not? Look how wonderfully that strategy worked for the German Jews.
And lest anyone forget,whites and conservatives,not always the same thing as Republicans, are a minority in not only this country,but in the entire world.
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@mountaineer
Put our heads in the sand by focusing on that one man who is in the hospital and being treated,while ignoring the daily threats to white people in general and all Republicans in particular?
How does that solve anything?
I don't much give a damn if anybody likes it or not because it is not a matter of like,it's a matter of fact. When you ignore aggression,you just get more of it. Stand up to it,and it will go away.
The next time the left and their black footsoldiers riot in the streets and start attacking whites,whites need to start busting heads. We will only have to do it one time,and things will go quiet for the next 10 years or so. If they don't,it will only inspire lefties in other big cities all over America to do their own "free shopping","justice" rapes and murders,arson,etc,etc,etc.
You might not like this observation,and in fact I don't like it myself,but liking or not liking something does nothing to alter the need to do it.
What the hell? What does this have to do with blacks rioting? This guy wasn't even a Muslim - he was a true-blue middle-aged white guy, legal gun owner and internet denizen. Probably little different than at least a couple of us on this forum except, of course, for the folks he claimed he couldn't coexist with and the unholy steps he took to "make the news".
For now, the proper reaction is to pray for the full recovery of Rep. Scalise.
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@Right_in_Virginia
You do sarcasm so much better than me that I am eaten alive with jealousy,
88devil @sneakypete
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@mountaineer
Put our heads in the sand by focusing on that one man who is in the hospital and being treated,while ignoring the daily threats to white people in general and all Republicans in particular?
How does that solve anything?
I don't much give a damn if anybody likes it or not because it is not a matter of like,it's a matter of fact. When you ignore aggression,you just get more of it. Stand up to it,and it will go away.
The next time the left and their black footsoldiers riot in the streets and start attacking whites,whites need to start busting heads. We will only have to do it one time,and things will go quiet for the next 10 years or so. If they don't,it will only inspire lefties in other big cities all over America to do their own "free shopping","justice" rapes and murders,arson,etc,etc,etc.
You might not like this observation,and in fact I don't like it myself,but liking or not liking something does nothing to alter the need to do it.
@sneakypete
I have a quandary, how do I make friends with, have dinner with, or even engage in polite discourse with, someone who believes it is A-OK to rip the limbs off a tiny baby as long as its done inside the mother? Or someone who believes it is appropriate for the government to limits peoples use of their own private property based on a rain puddle. Or even someone who believes white people are evil by nature and should be destroyed.
I'm not sure how I do that. I realized i was in this quandary after speaking with an associate nun who supported abortion, believed all military men were rapists, and on the day before Easter said she didn't believe Jesus died and rose again.
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What the hell? What does this have to do with blacks rioting?
What the hell,yourself. Are you going to try to deny that poor blacks on goobermint aid are NOT going to riot when the "free stuff" stops showing up,or that they are NOT the designated foot soldiers for the leftist revolution?
This guy wasn't even a Muslim -
So what? Do you think it's only Muslims that will start attacking and killing people once the "free stuff" stops showing up? Seriously?
he was a true-blue middle-aged white guy, legal gun owner and internet denizen.
Middle-aged white guys don't forment revolution and mass killings? Ever heard of a guy named Marx? Yeah,he was Jewish by birth,but he was also a white guy.
Probably little different than at least a couple of us on this forum except, of course, for the folks he claimed he couldn't coexist with and the unholy steps he took to "make the news".
True. That doesn't mean his actions won't inspire others to follow his example. And of course it doesn't mean it will,either. Chances are in a country this big and varied,there will be more than one goober sitting out there watching his tv and saying to himself,"I want me sum of THAT! I'm going to be famous!"
For now, the proper reaction is to pray for the full recovery of Rep. Scalise.
I realize I am no authority on or even fan of the "power of prayer",but where does it state people can't do both?
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@sneakypete
I have a quandary, how do I make friends with, have dinner with, or even engage in polite discourse with, someone who believes it is A-OK to rip the limbs off a tiny baby as long as its done inside the mother?
@driftdiver
No one can answer that question but you.
Or someone who believes it is appropriate for the government to limits peoples use of their own private property based on a rain puddle. Or even someone who believes white people are evil by nature and should be destroyed.
See the above. One thing no one has ever accused me of is being their guru. Or even wanting to be their guru.
I'm not sure how I do that. I realized i was in this quandary after speaking with an associate nun who supported abortion, believed all military men were rapists, and on the day before Easter said she didn't believe Jesus died and rose again.
Mary Knoll?
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This left wing wacko Hodgkinson, berating Trump on the internet, quite a few of this kind of scum around.
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For now, the proper reaction is to pray for the full recovery of Rep. Scalise.
@Jazzhead
I'm glad you aren't disaffected any longer.
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Looks like Hannity did his show live from the field where people were almost massacred and spent his time railing against Robert Mueller.
@CatherineofAragon
Yes, I saw him and he wants Mueller fired. Spent his time on that and on his usual yelling about Hillary Clinton. Bob puts the TV on Fox and when I can, I change it to CNN when there is an attack of some kind, but saw Hannity last night.
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Rachael Bade-Politico-
UPDATE ON @SteveScalise: He’s currently undergoing that 3rd surgery the hospital mentioned in statement last night.
Rachael Bade-28m-
UPDATE on @SteveScalise: I'm told current surgery is standard procedure 4 gunshot victims. Docs basically checking what they did yesterday.
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Looks like Hannity did his show live from the field where people were almost massacred and spent his time railing against Robert Mueller.
What a vile pig he's turned out to be.
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What a vile pig he's turned out to be.
BTW, @Cripplecreek This is the language of hate.
Start a new thread for bashing Sean Hannity ... this is not the place for it.
@CatherineofAragon
@Victoria33
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Please, do let us know when the time is right for anger @Rivergirl
Thanks ever so.
pas·sive-ag·gres·sive
adjective
adjective: passive-aggressive
being, marked by, or displaying behavior characterized by the expression of negative feelings, resentment, and aggression in an unassertive passive way (as through procrastination and stubbornness)
•It is passive-aggressive behavior, the donning of a mask of amiability that conceals raw antagonism toward one's competitors, even one's friends. — Hilary De Vries
•A passive-aggressive manager eschews open hostilities, in part because he feels distinctly uncomfortable with them. — Walter Kiechel III
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BTW, @Cripplecreek This is the language of hate.
Start a new thread for bashing Sean Hannity ... this is not the place for it.
@CatherineofAragon
@Victoria33
Sounds like Hannity changed the subject, not us.
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I'm going to tell you people something. Pray for us. Pray for this country.
You have a group that has set themselves up as a special protected class. They are now trying to stop media interviews in the Halls of Congress. They will seal themselves away. Pass laws to control what is being said on the internet and elsewhere. A1 is going to come under some severe attack.
Someone will always try to knock the king off the hill. History proves it.
Pray for us people. Pray for us.
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Sounds like Hannity changed the subject, not us.
Who cares? Why can't we just have one damn thread that stays on topic @Weird Tolkienish Figure ?
Just one?
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If we can't be angry when a radical leftist tries to assassinate Republicans when is it appropriate to get angry? Do we need to wait until we have actually dug our own graves and are standing in them? If not for his inability to aim his gun and the armed security we'd likely be looking at a minimum of 5 to 10 dead Congressmen.
Most Congressmen do not have armed security outside of the Capital building. Meanwhile many leftists continue with the violent rhetoric.
Its already happening without any of us doing a damn thing. If we do not get angry and address what we ALL know is the major cause for the increasing political violence then we guarantee more of it is exactly what we'll get.
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Might be a good time to put aside the blame game and send prayers to the scalise family and our country.
Anger is counterproductive at this time.
Prayers are appropriate as an action.
Anger is an emotion that has JUSTIFIABLY been brought on by the shooting act itself, those who approve of it and those who might have radicalized the shooter.
Are you asking us to (1) suppress our emotions, or to (2) suppress acting out on our emotions?
The first case is ridiculous for you to ask.
The second case might be insulting, if you are insinuating that us "crazed conservatives" would retaliate with violence like the violent looney left.
The second case might be dangerous, if you are insinuating that we should do nothing defensively. The violent left is apt to commit copy-cat crimes.
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pas·sive-ag·gres·siv
"It is passive-aggressive behavior, the donning of a mask of amiability that conceals raw antagonism toward one's competitors, even one's friends."
@txradioguy
"Please, do let us know when the time is right for anger @Rivergirl Thanks ever so."
You nailed it, as usual.
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I'm going to tell you people something. Pray for us. Pray for this country.
You have a group that has set themselves up as a special protected class. They are now trying to stop media interviews in the Halls of Congress. They will seal themselves away. Pass laws to control what is being said on the internet and elsewhere. A1 is going to come under some severe attack.
Someone will always try to knock the king off the hill. History proves it.
Pray for us people. Pray for us.
Fred, you are so right. God help us.
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If we can't be angry when a radical leftist tries to assassinate Republicans when is it appropriate to get angry? Do we need to wait until we have actually dug our own graves and are standing in them? If not for his inability to aim his gun and the armed security we'd likely be looking at a minimum of 5 to 10 dead Congressmen.
Most Congressmen do not have armed security outside of the Capital building. Meanwhile many leftists continue with the violent rhetoric.
@driftdiver
1. I think I heard there were at least 20 congressmen there. Most of them would have been killed if not for the two cops who began to shoot within seconds of the guy firing. They were in a van parked where they could see the whole field. They peeled out of there fast and began to fire.
2. I heard one of the congressmen who was there, say they were talking to the speaker about assigning guards to every congressman. If I was a congressman, I would pay for them myself if congress doesn't do it. And, if they have a rule a congressman can't "carry" while congress is in session, that rule needs to be changed.
We are in the new place these days with anger toward congressmen. We have near riots now when a congressman goes home and holds meetings with the public. I recall a congressman a few months ago, made his meeting a pay event with a dinner. Only one dissenter paid to get in there and was shut down when she tried to disrupt.
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Put our heads in the sand by focusing on that one man who is in the hospital and being treated,while ignoring the daily threats to white people in general and all Republicans in particular?
I wasn't calling for anyone to put his or her head in the sand. Just asking for a little civility and focus while we're commenting on this thread.
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Prayers are appropriate as an action.
Anger is an emotion that has JUSTIFIABLY been brought on by the shooting act itself, those who approve of it and those who might have radicalized the shooter. Are you asking us to (1) suppress our emotions, or to (2) suppress acting out on our emotions?The first case is ridiculous for you to ask. The second case might be insulting, if you are insinuating that us "crazed conservatives" would retaliate with violence like the violent looney left. The second case might be dangerous, if you are insinuating that we should do nothing defensively. The violent left is apt to commit copy-cat crimes.
@kidd
The first reaction is unbelief it happened. The second reaction is anger. The third reaction is different with each person. Some will want to retaliate in anger. Others will think it through to come up with a solution to prevent it in the future. That is happening with thinkers in congress now. We likely will not be told of the security measure(s) they will take but they will do something.
Some congressman who was there said there is normally about 25,000 people who come to that game which is this evening. How does one protect that many people and it will likely be more than the 25,000 due to the shooting?
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What a vile pig he's turned out to be.
@Cripplecreek
Mueller is a life-long Dim. What did you expect him to be?
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Caught a few minutes of Neil Cavuto interviewing weenie dimocrap Garamendi (sp?) of CA saying that he didn't want any more guns on Capitol Hill than those of the Capitol police "even if they are our guns." Another genius liberal.
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@Smokin Joe
If there is one thing you can be certain of it is that NOBODY will have working telephones once the mass rioting starts. Nobody but the government employees with encrypted government phones whose job it is to bust heads and break riots,that is.
The government is more than content to sit by and watch thee and me get attacked,but there is no way in HELL they are going to sit idle while the government is getting attacked.
Oh, after they start, the phones will likely be cut. But by then, they will have been used to community organize the flash mobs. If the EBTs are going dead, the free phones need to go down first. There's no telling what doorstep those angry folks might show up on, as a group.
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I wasn't calling for anyone to put his or her head in the sand. Just asking for a little civility and focus while we're commenting on this thread.
Seems perfectly reasonable.
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I wasn't calling for anyone to put his or her head in the sand. Just asking for a little civility and focus while we're commenting on this thread.
@mountaineer
Its happened frequently on the threads about this event where people react to the anger with "well the right does it too". I haven't seen any shootings by people on the right lately. Nor have I seen an right wing comedians hold up a fake Obama head.
So while there are a few right wingers who utter threats of violence the frequency and scale pale in comparison to what the left has been doing for the last 6 years. Don't agree with something the police have done? Well then go riot and burn the town down. Calls for civility are drowned out by prominent leftists on CNN, WaPo and others who are calling for more violence. In some cases they lament how ineffective this case was.
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@mountaineer
3rd surgery in less than 24 hours is NOT good.
Through the hip and into the abdominal cavity? Beyond the hydraulic shock along the bullet track, there is the debris cone (bone fragments), and all leading into the intestines, kidneys, bladder, and a mass of major blood vessels. They may have a leak in any of that which will simply have to be closed, or a fragment that needs to be removed. Any necrotic tissue along the path needs to be cleared out along with any intestinal contents that may have spilled. Little doubt there is a lot of damage in there, and even the most competent surgeons may have missed something or a weakened vessel let go later.. It could be just a bleeder that needs to be closed off, too. I'm not knocking the surgeons, that's a nasty wound.
Yes, he has my prayers for his recovery.
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@mountaineer
Its happened frequently on the threads about this event where people react to the anger with "well the right does it too". I haven't seen any shootings by people on the right lately. Nor have I seen an right wing comedians hold up a fake Obama head.
So while there are a few right wingers who utter threats of violence the frequency and scale pale in comparison to what the left has been doing for the last 6 years. Don't agree with something the police have done? Well then go riot and burn the town down. Calls for civility are drowned out by prominent leftists on CNN, WaPo and others who are calling for more violence. In some cases they lament how ineffective this case was.
The difference is that any righties that do it are immediately shouted down by the rest of us......The Leftists encourage their nutters.
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@mountaineer
3rd surgery in less than 24 hours is NOT good.
@sneakypete
The bullet went in his hip, broke bones, bone fragments and fragmented bullet went into his internal organs and tore them up. When the doctor surgeon congressman got to him on the field, he stopped the bleeding out of his body but he was bleeding inside due to the destruction of his organs. He was in shock by the time he was taken to hospital and blood transfusion started immediately, then to operating room to go inside him to stop the inside bleeding. There will be other surgeries to put his insides back together. My opinion is, he may never go back to congress.
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Through the hip and into the abdominal cavity? Beyond the hydraulic shock along the bullet track, there is the debris cone (bone fragments), and all leading into the intestines, kidneys, bladder, and a mass of major blood vessels. They may have a leak in any of that which will simply have to be closed, or a fragment that needs to be removed. Any necrotic tissue along the path needs to be cleared out along with any intestinal contents that may have spilled. Little doubt there is a lot of damage in there, and even the most competent surgeons may have missed something or a weakened vessel let go later.. It could be just a bleeder that needs to be closed off, too. I'm not knocking the surgeons, that's a nasty wound.
Yes, he has my prayers for his recovery.
@Mom MD, can you comment on this?
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@driftdiver
1. I think I heard there were at least 20 congressmen there. Most of them would have been killed if not for the two cops who began to shoot within seconds of the guy firing. They were in a van parked where they could see the whole field. They peeled out of there fast and began to fire.
BOTH of those cops were black,and the one that was shot in the ankle and still continued to return fire was a female. I am personally steamed the media hasn't been on a major push to make heroes out of both of them. Yeah,they mentioned them by name a couple of times and there were even a couple of old photos shown on tv,but WHY have no teebee news crews been in their hospital rooms interviewing them on film and congratulating them on their bravery and dedication to duty?
ALL we see from the media about blacks is when they are committing one crime or another,or appearing before a judge. The media LOVES to claim they are unbiased and fair,but the virtual neglect they have shown this black man and woman borders on being outrageous. Is it because their bosses don't want positive black role models?
What the hell is wrong with these people?
2. I heard one of the congressmen who was there, say they were talking to the speaker about assigning guards to every congressman. If I was a congressman, I would pay for them myself if congress doesn't do it. And, if they have a rule a congressman can't "carry" while congress is in session, that rule needs to be changed.
Nope! If nobody else in DC can legally carry a concealed firearm,neither can congresscritters. Remember,they are our representatives,NOT our masters.
If they want to carry guns,they should insist DC start issuing CWP's to regular citizens,as well as congresscrittes.
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@sneakypete
I agree on both points. The leftist media hold forth loudmouth agitators as black 'heroes', but ignore the real thing. God Bless those officers for their dedication to duty, and heal the wounded.
I also agree about carrying a weapon. It should be an option for all there who have no criminal or mental health history. To single out 'some animals as more important than others' to paraphrase Orwell, is just not the way it is supposed to work. However, I think each and every GOP Congressperson and staffer could show good cause for having an imminent threat to their lives and safety.
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The difference is that any righties that do it are immediately shouted down by the rest of us......The Leftists encourage their nutters.
^ This.
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The difference is that any righties that do it are immediately shouted down by the rest of us......The Leftists encourage their nutters.
@dfwgator
Kinda my point. There is no comparison between the two on this issue. The left is advocating for violence to get what they want. They do not want a debate, they do not want a vote. They want what they want and are willing for you to die so they can have it.
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@sneakypete
I am going to have to agree with both your points Sneakypete.
DC if forced to issue Concealed Carry permits would probable make it like the IRS did for teaparty folks to get tax free rights. IOWs hand them out like candy to liberals and put others through a ringer.
Constitution Carry should be the law of the land, one should not have to rent their 2nd amendment rights. But that is a subject for another thread.
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I am going to have to agree with both your points Sneakypete. DC if forced to issue Concealed Carry permits would probable make it like the IRS did for teaparty folks to get tax free rights. IOWs hand them out like candy to liberals and put others through a ringer.
Congress could easily fix that with a single bill! Pass nationwide Constitutional carry and it's all over!
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@Mom MD, can you comment on this?
Not knowing the extent of the injuries it is hard to comment. Pelvic trauma is notorious for blood loss even the bones are quite vascular. In addition the bladder and sigmoid colon are in the pelvis and can be injured either by the billet or by bone fragments. I doubt there was large vessel injury (aorta or femoral arteries/veins) because it is unlikely he would have survived that to make it to the hospital. Massive transfusion also puts you at risk for kidney/lung injury and electrolyte problems. All of these things are survivable in a relatively healthy individual but you also have to factor in the persons health prior to the trauma. Diabetes, heart disease or emphysema all complicate the issue if he had any of these things. Usually it takes 2-3 days to really know how things will go and a several week icu stay with prolonged rehab after would not be unusual
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@sneakypete
My opinion is, he may never go back to congress.
@Victoria33
Sadly,I think you are right about that. It will be good news if he doesn't die and is able to walk again. Any situation where THAT is the good news sucks.
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Congress could easily fix that with a single bill! Pass nationwide Constitutional carry and it's all over!
Also strongly agree, I was editing my comment to say that exact same thing. Thumbsup
Weird day, I am actually agreeing with more people than usual... someone pinch me.
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Congress could easily fix that with a single bill! Pass nationwide Constitutional carry and it's all over!
@Bigun
BINGO!
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Congress could easily fix that with a single bill! Pass nationwide Constitutional carry and it's all over!
Isn't that already in the Constitution?
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Not knowing the extent of the injuries it is hard to comment. Pelvic trauma is notorious for blood loss even the bones are quite vascular. In addition the bladder and sigmoid colon are in the pelvis and can be injured either by the billet or by bone fragments. I doubt there was large vessel injury (aorta or femoral arteries/veins) because it is unlikely he would have survived that to make it to the hospital. Massive transfusion also puts you at risk for kidney/lung injury and electrolyte problems. All of these things are survivable in a relatively healthy individual but you also have to factor in the persons health prior to the trauma. Diabetes, heart disease or emphysema all complicate the issue if he had any of these things. Usually it takes 2-3 days to really know how things will go and a several week icu stay with prolonged rehab after would not be unusual
Thanks, that helps.
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Isn't that already in the Constitution?
Well, it's the Second Amendment, but I wonder how many on Capitol Hill read that far...
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Isn't that already in the Constitution?
Excellent point! But it would break most of us proving it in the courts!
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Not knowing the extent of the injuries it is hard to comment. Pelvic trauma is notorious for blood loss even the bones are quite vascular. In addition the bladder and sigmoid colon are in the pelvis and can be injured either by the billet or by bone fragments. I doubt there was large vessel injury (aorta or femoral arteries/veins) because it is unlikely he would have survived that to make it to the hospital. Massive transfusion also puts you at risk for kidney/lung injury and electrolyte problems. All of these things are survivable in a relatively healthy individual but you also have to factor in the persons health prior to the trauma. Diabetes, heart disease or emphysema all complicate the issue if he had any of these things. Usually it takes 2-3 days to really know how things will go and a several week icu stay with prolonged rehab after would not be unusual
That helps a lot! Thanks, @Mom MD !
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Isn't that already in the Constitution?
:thumbsup:
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@mountaineer
3rd surgery in less than 24 hours is NOT good.
Actually these procedures are usually staged The first one may have been in interventional radiology to identify where the bleeding was and to try to embolize it. Then to the OR to control the rest of the bleeding and repair any organ damage After that the patient will be allowed to stabilize
Before tackling less urgent things like pinning fractures and dealing with more minor injuries. He may need several more procedures again depending on what his injuries actually are
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Actually these procedures are usually staged The first one may have been in interventional radiology to identify where the bleeding was and to try to embolize it. Then to the OR to control the rest of the bleeding and repair any organ damage After that the patient will be allowed to stabilize
Before tackling less urgent things like pinning fractures and dealing with more minor injuries. He may need several more procedures again depending on what his injuries actually are
Good to know.
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Actually these procedures are usually staged The first one may have been in interventional radiology to identify where the bleeding was and to try to embolize it. Then to the OR to control the rest of the bleeding and repair any organ damage After that the patient will be allowed to stabilize
Before tackling less urgent things like pinning fractures and dealing with more minor injuries. He may need several more procedures again depending on what his injuries actually are
Thanks for the info! My oldest daughter is a trauma certified RN and has said very much the same thing.
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Actually these procedures are usually staged The first one may have been in interventional radiology to identify where the bleeding was and to try to embolize it. Then to the OR to control the rest of the bleeding and repair any organ damage After that the patient will be allowed to stabilize
Before tackling less urgent things like pinning fractures and dealing with more minor injuries. He may need several more procedures again depending on what his injuries actually are
Thanks.... your expertise and explanations are very much appreciated during times like these.
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Actually these procedures are usually staged The first one may have been in interventional radiology to identify where the bleeding was and to try to embolize it. Then to the OR to control the rest of the bleeding and repair any organ damage After that the patient will be allowed to stabilize
Before tackling less urgent things like pinning fractures and dealing with more minor injuries. He may need several more procedures again depending on what his injuries actually are
Once again, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
The rest of us are just guessing what things mean.
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I wasn't calling for anyone to put his or her head in the sand. Just asking for a little civility and focus while we're commenting on this thread.
For some that is an exceedingly difficult task.
Focus, people....... FOCUS!
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I am firmly in the camp of state's rights. If a state wants to allow open carry I am fine with that. If the state wants to ban certain types of firearms, then it's up to the citizen to vote with their feet.
I have had more than enough of executive orders.
The NRA has been standing the breech of gun control fanatics and second amendment folks.
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I am firmly in the camp of state's rights. If a state wants to allow open carry I am fine with that. If the state wants to ban certain types of firearms, then it's up to the citizen to vote with their feet.
I have had more than enough of executive orders.
The NRA has been standing the breech of gun control fanatics and second amendment folks.
States rights where they don't interfere with those specific granted to the federal. Like the 2nd amendment. Why is it only the 2nd amendment that we allow states to split hairs on? Why not the 19th amendment?
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I am firmly in the camp of state's rights. If a state wants to allow open carry I am fine with that. If the state wants to ban certain types of firearms, then it's up to the citizen to vote with their feet.
I have had more than enough of executive orders.
The NRA has been standing the breech of gun control fanatics and second amendment folks.
:amen: IMO, a federal rule that compels a state that doesn't choose to permit open carry to allow visitors from other states to brandish their weapons is a basic violation of state sovereignty and traditional principles of federalism.
An analogous situation would be recreational marijuana. Just because I can go to Colorado to purchase legal pot doesn't mean I can't be arrested for pot possession if I'm caught holding the stuff back here in Pennsylvania. Now I personally favor the legalization of weed and would support making it so in my home state. But for the feds to compel Pennsy to recognize another state's marijuana laws would be an affront to Pennsylvania's rights as a sovereign state to control the spread of weed within its borders.
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I am firmly in the camp of state's rights. If a state wants to allow open carry I am fine with that. If the state wants to ban certain types of firearms, then it's up to the citizen to vote with their feet.
I have had more than enough of executive orders.
The NRA has been standing the breech of gun control fanatics and second amendment folks.
The 2nd amendment is universal, applying to the states. I would point out the wording of other amendments by comparison. 1st amendment starts with, "Congress shall make no law...". The 2nd amendment has no such restriction on jurisdiction. It says simply, "shall not be infringed." That applies to the states as well as the fed.
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:amen: IMO, a federal rule that compels a state that doesn't choose to permit open carry to allow visitors from other states to brandish their weapons is a basic violation of state sovereignty and traditional principles of federalism.
An analogous situation would be recreational marijuana. Just because I can go to Colorado to purchase legal pot doesn't mean I can't be arrested for pot possession if I'm caught holding the stuff back here in Pennsylvania. Now I personally favor the legalization of weed and would support making it so in my home state. But for the feds to compel Pennsy to recognize another state's marijuana laws would be an affront to Pennsylvania's rights as a sovereign state to control the spread of weed within its borders.
Marijuana is not a right specifically protected by the constitution. The RKBA is. Big difference.
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Marijuana is not a right specifically protected by the constitution. The RKBA is. Big difference.
The issue is federalism. The RKBA is not a right to open carry. Each state can and does make that determination on its own.
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The issue is federalism. The RKBA is not a right to open carry. Each state can and does make that determination on its own.
Its not a right to open carry only to those willing to overlook the literal meaning of the words in the 2nd Amendment.
BTW not directed at you but I'm always amazed at those willing to ignore the actual words in the Constitution but totally accepting of constitutional 'penumbras' and 'emanations' as if they are gospel.
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The RKBA is not a right to open carry. Each state can and does make that determination on its own.
Yes it is, the only right not granted is to the right to openly threaten someone who is not endangering you while carrying.
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Guess we are getting off subject here... so yeah, I will drop it.
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IMO, a federal rule that compels a state that doesn't choose to permit open carry to allow visitors from other states to brandish their weapons is a basic violation of state sovereignty and traditional principles of federalism.
It's amusing to note that you find that federalism does not apply to an enumerated right like the right to keep and bear arms, but you shout aloud that federalism applies to forcing something NOT enumerated (i.e.:homosexual marriage) down all of our throats, and screw the traditional principles that we were established by to force people to violate their consciences and religious exercise when it suits you.
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:amen: IMO, a federal rule that compels a state that doesn't choose to permit open carry to allow visitors from other states to brandish their weapons is a basic violation of state sovereignty and traditional principles of federalism.
An analogous situation would be recreational marijuana. Just because I can go to Colorado to purchase legal pot doesn't mean I can't be arrested for pot possession if I'm caught holding the stuff back here in Pennsylvania. Now I personally favor the legalization of weed and would support making it so in my home state. But for the feds to compel Pennsy to recognize another state's marijuana laws would be an affront to Pennsylvania's rights as a sovereign state to control the spread of weed within its borders.
How about a person holding a valid prescription for Medical MJ from California, traveling to PA?
Similarly a person holding a valid Open Carry permit from Wyoming, travelling to PA?
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It's amusing to note that you find that federalism does not apply to an enumerated right like the right to keep and bear arms, but you shout aloud that federalism applies to forcing something NOT enumerated (i.e.:homosexual marriage) down all of our throats, and screw the traditional principles that we were established by to force people to violate their consciences and religious exercise when it suits you.
What do you expect from the resident liberal? *****rollingeyes*****
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How about a person holding a valid prescription for Medical MJ from California, traveling to PA?
Similarly a person holding a valid Open Carry permit from Wyoming, travelling to PA?
You shouldn't need a permit to carry That's the problem
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BOTH of those cops were black,and the one that was shot in the ankle and still continued to return fire was a female. I am personally steamed the media hasn't been on a major push to make heroes out of both of them.
The problem may be the abuse that publicity would bring them. My guess is that they are now being cursed and threatened for protecting a Republican.
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:amen: IMO, a federal rule that compels a state that doesn't choose to permit open carry to allow visitors from other states to brandish their weapons is a basic violation of state sovereignty and traditional principles of federalism.
An analogous situation would be recreational marijuana. Just because I can go to Colorado to purchase legal pot doesn't mean I can't be arrested for pot possession if I'm caught holding the stuff back here in Pennsylvania. Now I personally favor the legalization of weed and would support making it so in my home state. But for the feds to compel Pennsy to recognize another state's marijuana laws would be an affront to Pennsylvania's rights as a sovereign state to control the spread of weed within its borders.
So I guess the whole 2nd Amendment thing that already exists and guarantees anyone living in any state the right to keep and bear arms means nothing to you?
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The issue is federalism. The RKBA is not a right to open carry. Each state can and does make that determination on its own.
I can see the argument (but not agree) that RKBA does not include conceal carry, but open carry and bear arms is one and the same.
Which rights in the first amendment do you find appropriate for a state to require a permit, fee and background check before a citizen can perform?
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Isn't that already in the Constitution?
@Sanguine
No. Open carry is in the Constitution. The government,IF they are going to follow their own damn rules,can NOT keep you from carrying a gun because of the 2nd Amendment. They can keep you from hiding one on your person,though.
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The problem may be the abuse that publicity would bring them. My guess is that they are now being cursed and threatened for protecting a Republican.
@endicom
You may be right,but you can bet your bippy the DC PD will help protect them.
They are both genuine heroes,and their courage and devotion to duty while under fire NEEDS to be recognized by their department and by the citizens of DC. Anything less is an insult.
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@Sanguine
No. Open carry is in the Constitution. The government,IF they are going to follow their own damn rules,can NOT keep you from carrying a gun because of the 2nd Amendment. They can keep you from hiding one on your person,though.
I disagree The right to keep and bear arms period. There is no mention of how to bear (open/concealed/on the hip/over the shoulder). The term shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. I'm not a fan of open carry, I don't like the attention it draws but I would not tell someone else they could not open carry
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I disagree The right to keep and bear arms period. There is no mention of how to bear (open/concealed/on the hip/over the shoulder). The term shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed. I'm not a fan of open carry, I don't like the attention it draws but I would not tell someone else they could not open carry
QFT
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They are both genuine heroes,and their courage and devotion to duty while under fire NEEDS to be recognized by their department and by the citizens of DC. Anything less is an insult.
They do indeed deserve that recognition.
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I disagree
@Mom MD
Ok. I base MY stand on the stated purpose of the 2nd Amendment,which is to insure we always have an armed Militia. Militias not only shouldn't be concealing their weapons,doing so would be counter productive.
For one thing,it's kinda hard to conceal a battle rifle today,just imagine how hard it would be to conceal a 72 caliber Brown Bess. If you are that big,WTH do you need a gun for?
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@Mom MD
Ok. I base MY stand on the stated purpose of the 2nd Amendment,which is to insure we always have an armed Militia. Militias not only shouldn't be concealing their weapons,doing so would be counter productive.
For one thing,it's kinda hard to conceal a battle rifle today,just imagine how hard it would be to conceal a 72 caliber Brown Bess. If you are that big,WTH do you need a gun for?
There are plenty of soldiers armed with sidearms only. Not everyone drives a tank. We will have to agree to disagree
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@Mom MD
Ok. I base MY stand on the stated purpose of the 2nd Amendment,which is to insure we always have an armed Militia. Militias not only shouldn't be concealing their weapons,doing so would be counter productive.
For one thing,it's kinda hard to conceal a battle rifle today,just imagine how hard it would be to conceal a 72 caliber Brown Bess. If you are that big,WTH do you need a gun for?
The Brown Bess was a notoriously inaccurate, if notably reliable, area weapon when used in volley fire from European style formations.
It was the backwoods hunting rifles that brought down English Command and Control on the battlefield, often from behind trees or rocks. As an individual weapon, individually deployed the Brown Bess Musket was, well, a loser, often wildly inaccurate.
The words "of the people" in the RKBA reserve the right to the people, not the militia.
An army (the "militia", as defined in Barclay's Universal Dictionary, 1812) was seen as necessary to the security of a Free State, but keeping that standing army from roving about as brigands or seizing power even more so. Thus every man should be armed, not only to facilitate service in times of need, but to prevent the misuse of the standing army, and for defense against hostiles of any stripe.
Currently, we have more people in possession of a battle-style rifle using the same ammunition and parts which can generally be interchanged than ever before, some 5 million plus AR-15s out there shooting 5.56 ammo. That has the potential to be a civilian force of unprecedented size.
But concealing a battle rifle is easier than ever. (http://files.harrispublications.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/03/cqb-bp-iwi-tavor-682x382.1427830122.jpg)
That's IMI's Tavor SAR-IDF, and it's one of a few listed here http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/13-bullpups-for-close-quarters-combat/#cqb-bp-iwi-tavor (http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/13-bullpups-for-close-quarters-combat/#cqb-bp-iwi-tavor)
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There are plenty of soldiers armed with sidearms only. Not everyone drives a tank. We will have to agree to disagree
@Mom MD
HorseHillary! I don't know who told you that,but whoever it was knows nothing about the army.
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The words "of the people" in the RKBA reserve the right to the people, not the militia.
The people ARE the militia,and the militia IS the people.
(http://files.harrispublications.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/03/cqb-bp-iwi-tavor-682x382.1427830122.jpg)
So what? Show me ONE army in the history of mankind that has marched into battle carrying concealed weapons as their primary offensive weapons.
And this talk about the accuracy of the Brown Bess is also meaningless. I mentioned the Brown Bess because it WAS the standard infantry rifle of arguably the most advanced military nation in existence at the time the FF's were pondering citizen militias and the 2nd Amendment
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@Mom MD
HorseHillary! I don't know who told you that,but whoever it was knows nothing about the army.
Actually... as someone who is currently in uniform...@Mom MD know more about what she's talking about than you do.
She is correct there are soldiers assigned nothing g but the Beretta 9mm pistol.
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Actually... as someone who is currently in uniform...@Mom MD know more about what she's talking about than you do.
She is correct there are soldiers assigned nothing g but the Beretta 9mm pistol.
@txradioguy
Thank you and God bless you for your service
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@Mom MD
HorseHillary! I don't know who told you that,but whoever it was knows nothing about the army.
Right. They aren't armed at all--Fort Hood...
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@sneakypete
The people ARE the militia,and the militia IS the people.
Unfortunately, what we have here is a failure....the definition in common use has changed in the last 200+ years, which is why I included the contemporary reference that defines "Militia" as "The Army, in its entirety."
That is the usage the Founders would have meant when they wrote the Amendment. Not the statement that the people were, in essence the Army, which they actually were in the forming United States.
Tell me the snowflakes and no-T pajamaboys out there are the Army now, the brigades of vagina hat wearers, the legions of BLM, and we just might have a problem when the SHTF. We have specialized a tad since then.
The right OF THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms reserves the right to the people, and not just the army. Yes that includes the ones I cited above, but it includes mothers of small children, great grandpas, office workers, and the like, the good with the not so good. Arguably, the NFA of '34 is unconstitutional, too, considering Miller was never defended before a court ignorant of the military use of shotguns.
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Actually... as someone who is currently in uniform...@Mom MD know more about what she's talking about than you do.
No,she doesn't. Or are you going to try to tell me she is a combat arms soldier?
Her mention that "Not everybody drives a tank" shows she knows nothing about the combat arms branches. Tankers ARE issued pistols. If you have a tank,why do you need a rifle? Each tank used to carry weapons like M3 "greaseguns" in them for dismounted use,but I suspect they carry the modern version of the CAR-15 these days.
She is correct there are soldiers assigned nothing g but the Beretta 9mm pistol.
Name one. You see MP's carrying pistols all the time,but they also have rifles,as well as BFMG on some of their vehicles. Medics,officers,and NCO's in conventional infantry units are also issued handguns in addition to their main battle rifles,but I have never seen one in a combat zone that didn't carry both.
Even soldiers in support units are issued rifles. They never need them so you never see them carrying a rifle except for on guard duty or when going to the range once a year to qualify,but each of them does have a rifle assigned to them in the arms room.
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No,she doesn't. Or are you going to try to tell me she is a combat arms soldier?
Her mention that "Not everybody drives a tank" shows she knows nothing about the combat arms branches. Tankers ARE issued pistols. If you have a tank,why do you need a rifle? Each tank used to carry weapons like M3 "greaseguns" in them for dismounted use,but I suspect they carry the modern version of the CAR-15 these days.
Name one. You see MP's carrying pistols all the time,but they also have rifles,as well as BFMG on some of their vehicles. Medics,officers,and NCO's in conventional infantry units are also issued handguns in addition to their main battle rifles,but I have never seen one in a combat zone that didn't carry both.
Even soldiers in support units are issued rifles. They never need them so you never see them carrying a rifle except for on guard duty or when going to the range once a year to qualify,but each of them does have a rifle assigned to them in the arms room.
The point was that not all soldiers have a rifle at all times. Some just carry side arms whether there is a rifle in the locker or not. And the tank comment was meant that not all soldiers drive the heaviest vehicle available, and not all soldiers carry the biggest gun. But if any soldiers are issued side arms, by your reasoning, then the average citizen should also be able to carry a side arm.
However the second amendment does not apply just to the military, though many of its detractors try to make that argument.
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@sneakypete
Unfortunately, what we have here is a failure....the definition in common use has changed in the last 200+ years, which is why I included the contemporary reference that defines "Militia" as "The Army, in its entirety."
That is the usage the Founders would have meant when they wrote the Amendment. Not the statement that the people were, in essence the Army, which they actually were in the forming United States.
Tell me the snowflakes and no-T pajamaboys out there are the Army now, the brigades of vagina hat wearers, the legions of BLM, and we just might have a problem when the SHTF. We have specialized a tad since then.
The right to OF THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms reserves the right to the people, and not just the army. Yes that includes the ones I cited above, but it includes mothers of small children, great grandpas, office workers, and the like, the good with the not so good. Arguably, the NFA of '34 is unconstitutional, too, considering Miller was never defended before a court ignorant of the military use of shotguns.
Absolutely right!
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But if any soldiers are issued side arms, by your reasoning, then the average citizen should also be able to carry a side arm.
OR/and a shoulder arm. Citizens are soldiers due to call up in emergencies.
However the second amendment does not apply just to the military, though many of its detractors try to make that argument.
The 2nd Amendment DOES NOT APPLY TO THE ACTIVE DUTY OR RESERVE MILITARY AT ALL. It is for the "citizen soldiers" who can be called up for duty in times of emergency.
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@Bigun
Tell me the snowflakes and no-T pajamaboys out there are the Army now, the brigades of vagina hat wearers, the legions of BLM, and we just might have a problem when the SHTF.
Yeah,in case of national emergency,they ARE a PART of the army,and in an emergency call-up,it will be THEY that have to adjust,not the army.
We have specialized a tad since then.
So what? Not everbody in the military is a front-line infantry or other combat arms soldiers. In FACT,front line soldiers are a minority. Support troops make up the bulk of any army.
The right to OF THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms reserves the right to the people, and not just the army.
The PEOPLE ARE THE ARMY,and the Army ARE "THE PEOPLE". In America,our military have always been subservient to our civilian leadership. No military dictatorship here.
Yes that includes the ones I cited above, but it includes mothers of small children, great grandpas, office workers, and the like, the good with the not so good.
Yes,and no. It CAN include them if they want to volunteer,but the law can only REQUIRE males between certain ages to pick up arms and report to duty.
Arguably, the NFA of '34 is unconstitutional, too, considering Miller was never defended before a court ignorant of the military use of shotguns.
There is no argument about it,which is why every court since then has refused to look at it.
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Please remember that this thread is about the shooting in Alexandria.
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No,she doesn't. Or are you going to try to tell me she is a combat arms soldier?
Her mention that "Not everybody drives a tank" shows she knows nothing about the combat arms branches. Tankers ARE issued pistols. If you have a tank,why do you need a rifle? Each tank used to carry weapons like M3 "greaseguns" in them for dismounted use,but I suspect they carry the modern version of the CAR-15 these days.
Name one. You see MP's carrying pistols all the time,but they also have rifles,as well as BFMG on some of their vehicles. Medics,officers,and NCO's in conventional infantry units are also issued handguns in addition to their main battle rifles,but I have never seen one in a combat zone that didn't carry both.
Even soldiers in support units are issued rifles. They never need them so you never see them carrying a rifle except for on guard duty or when going to the range once a year to qualify,but each of them does have a rifle assigned to them in the arms room.
Pete...i could take your rant apart piece by piece and really the this thread off the rails like you desire...but I'm not going to go down your self created detour.
So BLUF...you're wrong...and you really need to drop this line of distraction.
Now get back on topic.
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What do you expect from the resident liberal? *****rollingeyes*****
That's all you've got, name calling?
How is it "liberalism" to advocate for states to be able to set their own rules regarding the open carry of firearms in public places? Back in my day, when conservatives had intellectual integrity, federalism and state sovereignty were hallmarks of conservatism. Folks like you are simply hypocrites, decrying the federal leviathan but clamoring for federal laws that would tell every state that it cannot do a damn thing about folks toting rifles on Main Street.
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So I guess the whole 2nd Amendment thing that already exists and guarantees anyone living in any state the right to keep and bear arms means nothing to you?
States and local communities have traditionally regulated the ability to open carry in public places. What's right for Texas may not be right for Pennsylvania. I have no objection to gun ownership. Own as many instant killing devices as you want. Use them to defend your hearth and home, if you think that makes you safer. (Statistics show otherwise, but this is your liberty and your right.)
But open carry in the public square? It's up to the community to set such rules, consistent with the Second Amendment. Can you point me to a single case that holds that local rules against open carry violate the Second Amendment? Those of us who favor leaving such matters to the states simply recognize their traditionally and Constitutionally-recognized sovereignty. If you think otherwise, then be honest and admit that you're a liberal.
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Please remember that this thread is about the shooting in Alexandria.
There was a shooting in Alexandria?
I will say this. While I do not condone the actions of this perp. Not here and now. I do condone his ability, (although he didn't show too much ability), and the means to give it a try. The power still resides with the people in this country.
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I do condone his ability, (although he didn't show too much ability), and the means to give it a try. The power still resides with the people in this country.
You've got it ass-backwards.
That power is exercised at the ballot box. Not by force of arms. What is outrageous is that the people DID make their decision - fairly, within the rules - at the ballot box. And now idiots with rifles are trying to USURP the prerogatives of the people.
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States and local communities have traditionally regulated the ability to open carry in public places. What's right for Texas may not be right for Pennsylvania. I have no objection to gun ownership. Own as many instant killing devices as you want. Use them to defend your hearth and home, if you think that makes you safer. (Statistics show otherwise, but this is your liberty and your right.)
But open carry in the public square? It's up to the community to set such rules, consistent with the Second Amendment. Can you point me to a single case that holds that local rules against open carry violate the Second Amendment? Those of us who favor leaving such matters to the states simply recognize their traditionally and Constitutionally-recognized sovereignty. If you think otherwise, then be honest and admit that you're a liberal.
The very fact that places...city county or otherwise...set up rules that prevent or restrict how and when a person may carry...concealed or open...their legally purchased and owned firearms is a violation of the Second Amendment.
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You've got it ass-backwards.
That power is exercised at the ballot box. Not by force of arms. What is outrageous is that the people DID make their decision - fairly, within the rules - at the ballot box. And now idiots with rifles are trying to USURP the prerogatives of the people.
Without the 2nd Amendment...the rest of the Bill of Rights would have been ripped up years ago.
IN all honesty...the second Amendment is about the only thing that keeps our Federal government from completely turning into a Liberal dictatorship.
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The very fact that places...city county or otherwise...set up rules that prevent or restrict how and when a person may carry...concealed or open...their legally purchased and owned firearms is a violation of the Second Amendment.
Can you cite a single case holding that a community's restriction on open carry in the public square violates the Second Amendment?
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Without the 2nd Amendment...the rest of the Bill of Rights would have been ripped up years ago.
IN all honesty...the second Amendment is about the only thing that keeps our Federal government from completely turning into a Liberal dictatorship.
No one's attacking the Second Amendment. The issue is federalism. The RKBA is not a license for open carry. It is up to the states to regulate such matters.
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The RKBA is not a license for open carry.
Do you have a different definition of the word "bear" than the rest of the world?
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You've got it ass-backwards.
That power is exercised at the ballot box. Not by force of arms. What is outrageous is that the people DID make their decision - fairly, within the rules - at the ballot box. And now idiots with rifles are trying to USURP the prerogatives of the people.
Just for that I am coming over to your house to throw darts at your poster of Pol Pot. :tongue2:
When you give up the ability and means to go knock the king off the hill by force of arms you are done.
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Can you cite a single case holding that a community's restriction on open carry in the public square violates the Second Amendment?
It's right there in the 2nd Amendment itself.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
There is nothing in that very plain and clear language that allows for "community's restriction on open carry in the public square"
So the very fact that communities place restrictions on people carrying their firearms in any way shape or form is indeed a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment.
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Showing what "militant ignorance" looks like.
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Judge Scalia himself said it was open to debate on whether a shoulder fired missile could be included in the right to bear arms as a fire arm. So, right there, we have a grey area from the days of our founding fathers and what they meant. That's what judge Scalia discussed.
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The RKBA is not a license for open carry.
@Jazzhead
The 2nd Amendment says nothing about the method of bearing arms. You're arguing for a restriction which isn't there.
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It's right there in the 2nd Amendment itself.
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
There is nothing in that very plain and clear language that allows for "community's restriction on open carry in the public square"
So the very fact that communities place restrictions on people carrying their firearms in any way shape or form is indeed a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment.
But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you? Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?
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@Jazzhead
The 2nd Amendment says nothing about the method of bearing arms. You're arguing for a restriction which isn't there.
I'm arguing for the traditional role of communities to regulate the open carry of firearms in public places. That's federalism, that's state sovereignty. That's something that any conservative should support.
Is it a good idea or a bad idea? That's not the point - what's right for Texas may not be right for Pennsylvania.
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But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you? Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?
PLAIN bleep ENGLISH DOES NOT NEED LEGAL CLARIFICATION!!!!!!!
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But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you? Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?
Ummm I just did...I cited the Constitution of the United States. The 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
That's the only "case authority" anyone needs.
Only Liberals want to take very clear cut language like what is in the 2nd Amendment and muddle it with legalese in order to take away a persons basic right.
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Once again I ask that you not FEED THE TROLL!
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Only Liberals want to take very clear cut language like what is in the 2nd Amendment and muddle it with legalese in order to take away a persons basic right.
Federalism is not "legalese". State sovereignty is not "legalese". What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts.
Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?
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PLAIN bleep ENGLISH DOES NOT NEED LEGAL CLARIFICATION!!!!!!!
Posting in caps doesn't convert ignorance into wisdom. Over 200 years and not one court case suggesting that the RKBA conveys a right to open carry is ample proof that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what the gun extremists think it does. States and communities have rights too.
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Federalism is not "legalese". State sovereignty is not "legalese". What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts.
Even the Federalists that were involved in the framing of the Constitution and the writing of the Declaration of Independence would want what they wrote and agreed upon to get twisted into your warped view of what Federalism and states rights are.
Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?
Because the 2nd Amendment says so.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The 2nd Amendment is a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution...this is one of those areas where the 9th and 10th Amendment have no power or ability to make laws that contravene what is clearly defined as a power of the Federal Government.
Your argument...ok lack of knowledge of what is granted to the states in the 9th and 10th Amendments...totally negates your attempt to give states permission to ignore the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms in any manner a citizen of the United States chooses to do so.
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Once again I ask that you not FEED THE TROLL!
QFT
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Once again I ask that you not FEED THE TROLL!
I look at it more as we're giving the Liberal the education on the Constitution he didn't get in school.
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I'm arguing for the traditional role of communities to regulate the open carry of firearms in public places. That's federalism, that's state sovereignty. That's something that any conservative should support.
Is it a good idea or a bad idea? That's not the point - what's right for Texas may not be right for Pennsylvania.
@Jazzhead
No, what you're arguing for is the "right" for states/communities to add their own restrictions to the 2ndA.
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deontology vs consequentialism
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I look at it more as we're giving the Liberal the education on the Constitution he didn't get in school.
Unless and until you can cite a court case that agrees with your position, I will dismiss it as ignorance.
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Unless and until you can cite a court case that agrees with your position, I will dismiss it as ignorance.
That is "with ignorance".
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@Jazzhead
No, what you're arguing for is the "right" for states/communities to add their own restrictions to the 2ndA.
States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic. There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.
Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square. Stay the hell out of my state.
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in spades
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Unless and until you can cite a court case that agrees with your position, I will dismiss it as ignorance.
Not surprised at your left of center rhetoric. Your wholesale defense of anything Islamic provided a strong hint.
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States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic. There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.
Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square. Stay the hell out of my state.
And vice versa....we don't like liberals.
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Federalism is not "legalese". State sovereignty is not "legalese". What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts.
Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?
Putting aside legalistic argument of entitlements of government, it may be stipulated that the People have a right to the lowest possible violent crime rate. If it can be demonstrated that more prevalence of carrying of firearms by the general population has a direct effect of reducing the violent crime rate, then the People have a legal entitlement unless proscribed with specificity by law, to enjoy lower crime rates by virtue of the free and robust exercise of their entitlement to carry firearms.
If some of the citizens of one state or the other decide that they for whatever reason, want to restrict the ability of other free citizens to enjoy second amendment rights, then it is the ones seeking abridgement who acquire the burden of proof to enact a restriction on those rights, not the other way around.
And I get the idea about shouting being unnecessary, but I share the frustration with legalistic arguments which somehow seem to make the same case - that there exists in the Constitution some sort of (forgive me) "bitch's veto" embodied in states rights, wherein sovereignty issues somehow supersede Constitutional declarations whenever some grievance arises from disgruntled citizens with hoplophobic, Statist inclinations in regard to Constitutionally-cemented 2A freedoms.
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I look at it more as we're giving the Liberal the education on the Constitution he didn't get in school.
But you should never argue with an idiot, they'll just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?
Have there been any updates?
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Federalism is not "legalese". State sovereignty is not "legalese". What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts.
Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?
Modern conservatism only accepts what is convenient to their own state of rage at the moment. The movement isn't based on reason whatsoever anymore.
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Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square. Stay the hell out of my state.
Histrionics: Jazzhead waving his opinions around in the public square.
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Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?
Have there been any updates?
Haven't heard or seen anything since yesterday.
Hoping that no news is good news.
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Histrionics: Jazzhead waving his opinions around in the public square.
Hell, in Michigan we can open carry in the state capitol building yet still no shootings there.
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Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?
Have there been any updates?
888high58888
And, there is this thread, but I don't see much new: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267529.0/topicseen.html
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Hell, in Michigan we can open carry in the state capitol building yet still no shootings there.
I don't know much but it seems like there is a difference between carrying and waving. But, that is just me.
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Modern conservatism only accepts what is convenient to their own state of rage at the moment. The movement isn't based on reason whatsoever anymore.
QFT. And the sad thing it, it used to be.
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I don't know much but it seems like there is a difference between carrying and waving. But, that is just me.
I guess if you don't know what you are talking about, waving might make sense. :laugh:
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888high58888
And, there is this thread, but I don't see much new: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267529.0/topicseen.html
no news is good news
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Not surprised at your left of center rhetoric. Your wholesale defense of anything Islamic provided a strong hint.
Support for federalism and state sovereignty is not "left of center rhetoric". (And neither is opposition to religious bigotry.)
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I don't know much but it seems like there is a difference between carrying and waving. But, that is just me.
Waving apparently weakens the bladders of those susceptible to it who are nearby.
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And vice versa....we don't like liberals.
In my 59 years on this planet, not one minute of it has been spent in the state of Texas. I do, however, own every Jerry Jeff Walker record ever issued.
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In my 59 years on this planet, not one minute of it has been spent in the state of Texas. I do, however, own every Jerry Jeff Walker record ever issued.
I think we all know you are All hat and no cattle.
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Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?
Have there been any updates?
Last night at 10PM Central the report was that he is improving but would remain hospitalized for some time.
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Last night at 10PM Central the report was that he is improving but would remain hospitalized for some time.
Thank you! I haven't listened to any news, nor have I seen any updates on Fox.
I have a feeling his road to recovery is going to be a long, hard one....
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Thank you! I haven't listened to any news, nor have I seen any updates on Fox.
I have a feeling his road to recovery is going to be a long, hard one....
I suspect you are right! But Steve is a VERY tough guy and will fight hard to recover fully!
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exactly
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Annnnddddd - the first false flag conspiracy theory from the right has reared it's head. 22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan
Anyone wants to read it, either PM me for link (or google "Columbo Investigates Scalise.")
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Annnnddddd - the first false flag conspiracy theory from the right has reared it's head. 22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan
Anyone wants to read it, either PM me for link (or google "Columbo Investigates Scalise.")
Encyclopedia of American Loons
#787: Terry "Hurtbutt" Hurlbut
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States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic. There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.
Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square. Stay the hell out of my state.
@Jazzhead
Bad law in general has been around from the founding of the Republic. I would categorize any law that infringes on our right to bear arms as bad, by definition.
By the way, you're talking about brandishing, not bearing, which of course are two different things.
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Annnnddddd - the first false flag conspiracy theory from the right has reared it's head. 22222frying pan 22222frying pan 22222frying pan
Anyone wants to read it, either PM me for link (or google "Columbo Investigates Scalise.")
It never takes long does it.
I've already seen claims that the police allowed the shooting to happen till they themselves were personally shot at.
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States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic. There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.
Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square. Stay the hell out of my state.
No worries. I have absolutely no desire to live in or visit your state.
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Waving apparently weakens the bladders of those susceptible to it who are nearby.
@Cripplecreek
Until some loon shows up with a backpack yelling "Allah akbar." They'll be crying for the armed guy to come save them.
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No worries. I have absolutely no desire to live in or visit your state.
I've visited his state a few times-aaannnnd mea culpa-it was during the drug years. :laugh:
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No worries. I have absolutely no desire to live in or visit your state.
In Michigan we've had numerous court cases on this very subject and the courts have ruled again and again that cities cannot override the state constitution or the federal constitution on this. I can walk down the street of any city in the state openly carrying a gun and cannot be convicted of a crime.
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If you are all calling names. Texasradioguy is no social conservative, turned his/her back on the unborn, he's closer to jazzhead votingwise, sticks up for Bush 43 who gave Planned Patenthood millions more than Clinton. So let's not be sanctimonious. Flame away, you already do that.
Flame away? You're already on fire. ^-^
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Texas is a majority minority state, if one wants to believe it will stay the same, it could, it could also go the other way. Dem bloc Hispanics only ha e a 38% voter turnout, look it up, that could change.
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In Michigan we've had numerous court cases on this very subject and the courts have ruled again and again that cities cannot override the state constitution or the federal constitution on this. I can walk down the street of any city in the state openly carrying a gun and cannot be convicted of a crime.
heh heh heh
gotta love that phrasing
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Sheesh............. I hate to be on topic here, in the middle of this riveting discussion, but does anyone know how Steve Scalise is doing?
Have there been any updates?
Thank you, @musiclady I came to this thread for the same reason.
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Texas is a majority minority state, if one wants to believe it will stay the same, it could, it could also go the other way. Dem bloc Hispanics only ha e a 38% voter turnout, look it up, that could change.
Yep. Round up all the Rosa Maria Ortegas and that number drops by half.
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In Michigan we've had numerous court cases on this very subject and the courts have ruled again and again that cities cannot override the state constitution or the federal constitution on this. I can walk down the street of any city in the state openly carrying a gun and cannot be convicted of a crime.
In Colorado open carry is legal, but many of the counties/municipalities have restricted the second amendment. Not that I am a fan of open carry, I don't like the attention it draws. If I ever need my weapon I want the element of surprise on my side. But restricting the right to carry in any fashion is still in violation of the constitution. And it creates the quandry of it may be legal to open carry on one side of the street but not the other..
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Thank you, @musiclady I came to this thread for the same reason.
I'm finding no updates more recent than 9 hours ago - he's improving but still critical.
@Mom MD - guessing he'll get hit by the fever within the next few hours?
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heh heh heh
gotta love that phrasing
“Every Person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.”
Michigan Constitution, Art 1, Sec. 6
Even our state flag shows a man holding a rifle.
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In Michigan we've had numerous court cases on this very subject and the courts have ruled again and again that cities cannot override the state constitution or the federal constitution on this. I can walk down the street of any city in the state openly carrying a gun and cannot be convicted of a crime.
That's a constant issue in Pennsy as well - local communities are circumscribed by state law in what they can regulate and tax.
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I'm finding no updates more recent than 9 hours ago - he's improving but still critical.
@Mom MD - guessing he'll get hit by the fever within the next few hours?
Might be a bit early, but there will be complications. I continue to pray for this man and for all who serve this country. He no doubt has a long ICU stay and then a long rehab stay ahead of him.
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No worries. I have absolutely no desire to live in or visit your state.
That's your loss. If you were ever to visit I'd be pleased to show you the sights and extend my hospitality.
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Federalism is not "legalese". State sovereignty is not "legalese". What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts.
Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?
@Jazzhead
Nothing forces Pennsylvania to adopt any "culture". By becoming a state they are expected to abide by the Constitutional and its amendments.
Why is that so hard to understand?
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“Every Person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.”
Michigan Constitution, Art 1, Sec. 6
Even our state flag shows a man holding a rifle.
I can walk down the street of any city in the state openly carrying a gun and cannot be convicted of a crime.
I know what you are saying. I am merely amusing myself with scenarios.
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...it may be stipulated that the People have a right to the lowest possible violent crime rate.
You're probably right in thought but not in word. People should have every right to defend themselves against violent crime but can't have a right to "the lowest possible violent crime rate."
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Support for federalism and state sovereignty is not "left of center rhetoric". (And neither is opposition to religious bigotry.)
I responded civilly and in detail and you utterly ignored the post. Why? I thought the forum was for substantive discussion. No? Tell us again why those with Constitutionally-protected entitlements must fight for them against those who would deny them, just because their own state government may have a low regard for the constitution while another state's government does not? How do the restriction-crazed hoplophobes of Pennsylvania enjoy greater importance than those in their state who simply want to enjoy their Constitutionally-guaranteed freedom like their friends in Texas?
And another question, if a worship of rape, murder, child mutilation and subjugation/enslavement of women acquired a billion followers, would it still be a cult of degenerate, psychologically sick, homicidal lunatics, or would it then acquire the designation of a legitimate "religion" in your opinion, simply by sheer numbers?
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Might be a bit early, but there will be complications. I continue to pray for this man and for all who serve this country. He no doubt has a long ICU stay and then a long rehab stay ahead of him.
Thank you. Rule of thumb we work to when we can't medivac is expect the fever 48 hours after the shooting - hospital situation is different, I know. You have more control.
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@Jazzhead
Nothing forces Pennsylvania to adopt any "culture". By becoming a state they are expected to abide by the Constitutional and its amendments.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Pennsylvania indeed abides by the Second Amendment. Lots of guns here, believe me. But the Second Amendment does not prohibit local rules regarding open carry. And visitors to our state must abide by our rules.
What is so unreasonable about that?
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Nutters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaLFhe1OYg
Human trafficking...pedogate...
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I responded civilly and in detail and you utterly ignored the post. Why? I thought the forum was for substantive discussion. No? Tell us again why those with Constitutionally-protected entitlements must fight for them against those who would deny them, just because their own state government may have a low regard for the constitution while another state's government does not? How do the restriction-crazed hoplophobes of Pennsylvania enjoy greater importance than those in their state who simply want to enjoy their Constitutionally-guaranteed freedom like their friends in Texas?
And another question, if a worship of rape, murder, child mutilation and subjugation/enslavement of women acquired a billion followers, would it still be a cult of degenerate, psychologically sick, homicidal lunatics, or would it then acquire the designation of a legitimate "religion" in your opinion, simply by sheer numbers?
Argument being made as a business model. Islam is a business model.
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Might be a bit early, but there will be complications. I continue to pray for this man and for all who serve this country. He no doubt has a long ICU stay and then a long rehab stay ahead of him.
I would think there would be a big MERSA risk with that many surgeries in a short period of time.
Or is that more dependent on the cleanliness of the hospital?
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Argument being made as a business model. Islam is a business model.
JAZZHEAD! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW !?! (maybe that's why people shout at him he has trouble hearing) What's Jazzhead's story? He ignores substantive, direct, on-topic posts but responds to the peripheral, off-topic ones. Is he another self-adoring poster who thinks himself to be "above" having to substantiate his assertions to others? Weird. He doesn't seem to be all that well-informed either, nor very interesting, but has an ego of massive magnitude.
Maybe I tangled with him before and he put me on his "safe space" ignore list so he can avoid the sort of humiliating taking-to-the-woodshed that I sometimes deliver to posters when they let their typing fingers overload their rear ends. heh
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JAZZHEAD! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW !?! (maybe that's why people shout at him he has trouble hearing) What's Jazzhead's story? He ignores substantive, direct, on-topic posts but responds to the peripheral, off-topic ones. Is he another self-adoring poster who thinks himself to be "above" having to substantiate his assertions to others? Weird. He doesn't seem to be all that well-informed either, nor very interesting, but has an ego of massive magnitude.
Maybe I tangled with him before and he put me on his "safe space" ignore list so he can avoid the sort of humiliating taking-to-the-woodshed that I sometimes deliver to posters when they let their typing fingers overload their rear ends. heh
Shouting works.
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I would think there would be a big MERSA risk with that many surgeries in a short period of time.
Or is that more dependent on the cleanliness of the hospital?
For those who may not know, MERSA refers to bacteria which are resistant to conventional antibiotics.
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Shouting works.
Are you familiar with the yield ratios of dynamite with diesel soaked fertilizer?
Shouting is maximized in effect with an equal proportion of arm-waving.
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For those who may not know, MERSA refers to bacteria which are resistant to conventional antibiotics.
dammit
...i was hoping to impress some folks here by showing them my rash....
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For those who may not know, MERSA refers to bacteria which are resistant to conventional antibiotics.
MRSA is susceptible to vancomycin and several other broad spectrum antibiotics. There are scarier bugs out there. Fortunately we don't see them until someone has been in the ICU for weeks or they have an immune system problem
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dammit
...i was hoping to impress some folks here by showing them my rash....
I heard last time you did that you got arrested. :tongue2:
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MRSA is susceptible to vancomycin and several other broad spectrum antibiotics. There are scarier bugs out there. Fortunately we don't see them until someone has been in the ICU for weeks or they have an immune system problem
I had a girlfriend who's father was shot and killed back in the early 70s. He didn't die till some 6 weeks after the shooting. and he had even been sent home from the hospital.
A female neighbor had come to their house seeking protection from her husband. The husband fired a single .22 round through the door striking my girlfriend's dad in the abdomen. He was taken to the hospital and had surgery and a week or so in the hospital before being sent home.
He seemed to be healing fine and even had a follow up appointment with the doc but after 6 weeks started to develop a fever. By the time they figured out he needed to go back to the hospital it was too late and he died in the hospital 3 days later.
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I heard last time you did that you got arrested. :tongue2:
This is so apropos of the thread topic.
The consequences of making a rash decision.
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JAZZHEAD! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW !?! (maybe that's why people shout at him he has trouble hearing) What's Jazzhead's story? He ignores substantive, direct, on-topic posts but responds to the peripheral, off-topic ones. Is he another self-adoring poster who thinks himself to be "above" having to substantiate his assertions to others? Weird. He doesn't seem to be all that well-informed either, nor very interesting, but has an ego of massive magnitude.
Maybe I tangled with him before and he put me on his "safe space" ignore list so he can avoid the sort of humiliating taking-to-the-woodshed that I sometimes deliver to posters when they let their typing fingers overload their rear ends. heh
Couple of things -
1. Kindly provide a link to the post you want me to respond to. I'm usually in the minority here, and so get multiple responses. I can't answer directly each and every response if I don't have time to, or if my answer reasonably applies to multiple responses. Don't know what's so special about you, or your post, that makes you so angry that I failed to notice and/or respond. But give me a link, and please don't assume I think you're more special than anyone else.
2. I generally try to respond in good faith but reserve the right to decline, especially when the poster comes on like a classless jerk.
3. I've never put any member of this board - no, not even you - on ignore.
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I'm arguing for the traditional role of communities to regulate the open carry of firearms in public places. That's federalism, that's state sovereignty. That's something that any conservative should support.
But you DON'T when it comes to homosexual marriage and forcing people to cater to it, accept it and do business to promote it.
Hypocrite.
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One last reminder: the topic is Rep. Scalise and the others who were shot while practicing for a charity baseball game. Your opinions and thoughts about other members is not.
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No one's attacking the Second Amendment. The issue is federalism. The RKBA is not a license for open carry. It is up to the states to regulate such matters.
"...the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Yes, it is exactly that. By convention alone, that has been generally discouraged in areas where people exercise poor judgement: sporting matches, courthouses, taverns, political events...
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But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you? Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?
The language of the amendment (for those who are fluent in English) has been plain and explicit enough there have been few tests at the SCOTUS, and some of those rulings are notoriously flawed.
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"...the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Yes, it is exactly that. By convention alone, that has been generally discouraged in areas where people exercise poor judgement: sporting matches, courthouses, taverns, political events...
Especially courthouses. Some of the worst decisions in the history of history.
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One last reminder: the topic is Rep. Scalise and the others who were shot while practicing for a charity baseball game. Your opinions and thoughts about other members is not.
(http://memeshappen.com/media/created/This-thread-this-is-why-aliens-won39t-talk-to-us-meme-5158.jpg)
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Breaking on Fox- perp had a list of three Republican Congress members on his body when he was searched. Not releasing names yet.
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Breaking on Fox- perp had a list of three Republican Congress members on his body when he was searched. Not releasing names yet.
It would be interesting to see who is on the list.
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Breaking on Fox- perp had a list of three Republican Congress members on his body when he was searched. Not releasing names yet.
Soooo....if he was listing to the right does that help explain his piss poor aim?????
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Soooo....if he was listing to the right does that help explain his piss poor aim?????
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Soooo....if he was listing to the right does that help explain his piss poor aim?????
Hmmm- maybe he just bought his rifle in March when his neighbor called the police on him for shooting in a residential area. Lack of firearms training is my guess. I am happy his aim was so bad.
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If the Daily Caller's sources are correct: "The list of names included Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks, South Carolina Rep. Jeff Duncan and Arizona Rep. Trent Franks, TheDC has confirmed."
If the list "included" those names, does that mean there were more than three?
http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/exclusive-assassination-list-found-on-james-hodgkinsons-body/ (http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/exclusive-assassination-list-found-on-james-hodgkinsons-body/)
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There is a separate thread in Politics on the list.
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Pete...i could take your rant apart piece by piece and really the this thread off the rails like you desire...but I'm not going to go down your self created detour.
So BLUF...you're wrong...and you really need to drop this line of distraction.
Now get back on topic.
@txradioguy
Yeah,I'm wrong and you are right,so NOW is the perfect time for me to drop it and stop correcting you,right?
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If the Daily Caller's sources are correct: "The list of names included Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks, South Carolina Rep. Jeff Duncan and Arizona Rep. Trent Franks, TheDC has confirmed."
If the list "included" those names, does that mean there were more than three?
http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/exclusive-assassination-list-found-on-james-hodgkinsons-body/ (http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/exclusive-assassination-list-found-on-james-hodgkinsons-body/)
Jim Jordan was on the list............... our Congressman before redistricting, and a wonderful human being. One of the good guys.
I'm sick.
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Jim Jordan was on the list............... our Congressman before redistricting, and a wonderful human being. One of the good guys.
I'm sick.
The article included those below.
All in the House Freedom Caucus. Sounds like the Liberals aren't aiming at "Moderates".
The list of names included Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks, South Carolina Rep. Jeff Duncan and Arizona Rep. Trent Franks, TheDC has confirmed. Fox News reported after this story that Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, Tennessee Rep. Scott DesJarlais and Virginia Rep. Morgan Griffith are also on the list. All six congressmen are members of the House Freedom Caucus, which contains the lower chamber’s most conservative members.
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The article included those below.
All in the House Freedom Caucus. Sounds like the Liberals aren't aiming at "Moderates".
This guy was planning to assassinate the most consistent conservative members in Congress.
My question is, was he acting alone, or are there others to finish off the rest of his hit list?
This is extremely, EXTREMELY disturbing.
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The two capital police officers that put a stop to all of this deserve a medal.
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This guy was planning to assassinate the most consistent conservative members in Congress.
My question is, was he acting alone, or are there others to finish off the rest of his hit list?
This is extremely, EXTREMELY disturbing.
Precisely. The question is one of if he is the only one, or if there are more.
And to think there are those who blame this on Conservative "neverturmpers". Bloody jackasses.
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And to think there are those who blame this on Conservative "neverturmpers". Bloody jackasses.
I wish I thought you were kidding, but after the treatment I've received from "fellow conservatives" who were enraged because I wasn't on the Trump train, it's sadly believable. Their hatred for us is equally as vicious and visceral as the liberals we used to go up against since I first discovered message boards in the early 2000s.
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This guy was planning to assassinate the most consistent conservative members in Congress.
My question is, was he acting alone, or are there others to finish off the rest of his hit list?
This is extremely, EXTREMELY disturbing.
@musiclady
I am GUESSING he was acting alone based on the fact that no one else was attacked,and THAT kind of crazy has trouble finding travel companions. Lots of people get frustrated and babble all sorts on nonsense to friends and associates,but when they start saying "load the guns and get in the car" is when one or more of their friends call the cops on them.
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Precisely. The question is one of if he is the only one, or if there are more.
And to think there are those who blame this on Conservative "neverturmpers". Bloody jackasses.
The people who blame this on conservatives who don't support Trump, are insane. Their hatred and rage is destroying their minds.
It's a sad thing to watch happen......
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The two capital police officers that put a stop to all of this deserve a medal.
@LadyLiberty
And a HELL of a lot more media and public attention than they have received so far. It takes a serious amount of courage and dedication to duty to stand up and swap fire with a armed attacker shooting a center fire rifle when only armed with handguns.
I am more than a little bit steamed they aren't getting the recognition they so richly deserve.
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@musiclady
I am GUESSING he was acting alone based on the fact that no one else was attacked,and THAT kind of crazy has trouble finding travel companions. Lots of people get frustrated and babble all sorts on nonsense to friends and associates,but when they start saying "load the guns and get in the car" is when one or more of their friends call the cops on them.
The problem is that, even if he was acting alone, he's not the only one who has been driven to madness by their political hatred.
There are bound to be others who want to carry out his plans to wipe out the few actual conservatives left in DC.
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The problem is that, even if he was acting alone, he's not the only one who has been driven to madness by their political hatred.
There are bound to be others who want to carry out his plans to wipe out the few actual conservatives left in DC.
@musiclady
Then where are they?
People talk a lot of nonsense when they get frustrated,but all they are doing is just blowing off steam. If there were a lot of people serious about doing that,there would be attacks or attempted attacks daily.
Not that I DON'T believe there is a number of leftists that keep talking up the hatred of conservatives in the hope that many someones will take up weapons and make attacks so they have more justification to start screaming about confiscating guns again. I DO believe that/
Unfortunately for them,our citizenry has ALWAYS been heavily armed,and despite the widespread citizen ownership of weapons,armed attacks on political figures is about as statistically close to zero as you can get.
That doesn't mean the "talkers" shouldn't be taken seriously until they have been ruled out as actual threats,though.
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Precisely. The question is one of if he is the only one, or if there are more.
And to think there are those who blame this on Conservative "neverturmpers". Bloody jackasses.
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@musiclady
Then were are they?
People talk a lot of nonsense when they get frustrated,but all they are doing is just blowing off steam. If there were a lot of people serious about doing that,there would be attacks or attempted attacks daily.
With the number of people "blowing off steam" on political sites and in tweets, how do you know that there aren't more?
Just because we haven't seen them, doesn't mean there aren't more.
And there don't have to be "a lot" to be a threat. There are a lot of dangerous Muslims, and there aren't even daily attacks by them.
Leftists are close to insanity anyway. Many of them are being pushed over the edge these days and think that Congressman Scalise "deserved" this simply because of his political views. I'm not one of the people who thinks a civil war is coming, but the rhetoric from the left (and from the alt-right) has become madness, and I'm not at all comfortable with where we are.
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@LadyLiberty
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I am more than a little bit steamed they aren't getting the recognition they so richly deserve.
MSM complicity downplaying the entire thing, and reporting it more as another gun violence event.
This doesn't fit their agenda.....
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@musiclady
Then where are they?
People talk a lot of nonsense when they get frustrated,but all they are doing is just blowing off steam. If there were a lot of people serious about doing that,there would be attacks or attempted attacks daily.
Not that I DON'T believe there is a number of leftists that keep talking up the hatred of conservatives in the hope that many someones will take up weapons and make attacks so they have more justification to start screaming about confiscating guns again. I DO believe that/
Unfortunately for them,our citizenry has ALWAYS been heavily armed,and despite the widespread citizen ownership of weapons,armed attacks on political figures is about as statistically close to zero as you can get.
That doesn't mean the "talkers" shouldn't be taken seriously until they have been ruled out as actual threats,though.
Where are they? Look around. We saw some of them after Clinton lost. We saw some of them whose hatred was fueled by our past president and AG after the shooting of Treyvon Martin. They took to the streets and rioted. The MSM was in disbelief when Clinton lost and they continue with the hate fest. Hollywood has voiced their disdain for this President from shows like "The View" to comediennes like Gifford and just recently we have a supposed artist pi**ing on a crucified President Trump. The hatred is out there on full display. The leftist politicians are on a witch hunt initiated by Clinton herself. All this feeds into the disgruntled leftist mental midget populace. This hatred has been out there. It is growing and the reactions are escalating. Quite honestly, I am one that thinks we are heading towards a civil war...all by design. Just my opinion.
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MSM complicity downplaying the entire thing, and reporting it more as another gun violence event.
This doesn't fit their agenda.....
I thought stirring up the lefties and then downplaying the violent response was their agenda. :shrug:
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With the number of people "blowing off steam" on political sites and in tweets, how do you know that there aren't more?
Because the attacks are rare and reported when they happen. Not one chance in hell a armed attack on a public figure is going to happen and the leftist anti-gun media is going to ignore it and not report on it.
Just because we haven't seen them, doesn't mean there aren't more.
True. There may be 137 of them hiding under your bed and in your closet as I write this. The good news is even they aren't attacking anyone.
You DO realize how hard it is to prove a negative,right?
Those of us who are conservative should not be so quick to jump on the anti-gun bandwagon by exaggerating perceived dangers when these attacks are so rare they happen maybe once every decade.
And there don't have to be "a lot" to be a threat. There are a lot of dangerous Muslims, and there aren't even daily attacks by them.
HorseHillary! There ARE attacks made by Muslims every day. They just aren't widely reported because the media is generally pro-immigration and anti-American. Granted,most aren't with firearms,but none the less there are Muslim verbal and physical attacks against non-Muslims every day in this country.
Leftists are close to insanity anyway. Many of them are being pushed over the edge these days and think that Congressman Scalise "deserved" this simply because of his political views.
True,but almost all of them are going to wait for the government to attack the government for them. It's a "the nature of the beast" thing.
I'm not one of the people who thinks a civil war is coming,
I am. It IS going to happen eventually. Politics demands it. Politicians fire up hatred towards their opponents in order to fire up their voters to go to the polls to vote for them,and this increases the hatred and mistrust because the voters and their extended families. It's the old "divide and conquer" strategy and it's popular because it works. We have a large segment of today's population that is convinced the country owes them a comfortable,and even luxurious living just because they were born. They have been led to believe this and trained to expect it,and now they are being manipulated to riot and attack (mostly) whites if someone even suggests their "free stuff" is going to be reduced.
Guess what? One day the "free stuff" WILL stop showing up because the system will go broke and there will be no money to provide it. That is the day the system starts to come apart.
but the rhetoric from the left (and from the alt-right) has become madness, and I'm not at all comfortable with where we are.
I'm not,either. I doubt many people are,but this is no reason to buy into it and imagine the current situation to be worse than it is. All that does is help your enemy.
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I thought stirring up the lefties and then downplaying the violent response was their agenda. :shrug:
They are conveniently downplaying the "left" angle while pushing another guns gone bad approach.
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@sneakypete - unless you reformat your response to me, I'm not going to respond to it. There are several points you misunderstood (or my post wasn't clear enough), but your inserting your quotes inside of mine makes it more trouble than it's worth to reply. Sorry. :shrug:
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@sneakypete - unless you reformat your response to me, I'm not going to respond to it. There are several points you misunderstood (or my post wasn't clear enough), but your inserting your quotes inside of mine makes it more trouble than it's worth to reply. Sorry. :shrug:
@musiclady
Your words are clearly marked as quotes,and are,in fact,inside quotation blocks.
MY words are a larger font and in bold.
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The people who blame this on conservatives who don't support Trump, are insane. Their hatred and rage is destroying their minds.
It's a sad thing to watch happen......
And yet it happens here all the time.
It's sad indeed.
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And yet it happens here all the time.
It's sad indeed.
Care to give an example? Look, I don't see any signigicant number of posters doing that here on this forum. And sometimes people post things when they are highly upset that they wouldn't if they were their best selves. Our posters are real people with real lives. Many of the worst comments from posters of all stripes prolly come from that being fallible human beings subject to bad moods. Condemnining posters for a few off-the-rails posts out of many is (forgive me) ludicrous.
Forgoing discussion of blame for the healthier twin"cause", it seems entirely reasonable to believe that anyone on any side using dehumanizing rhetoric and terms (as anti-Trumpsters sometimes do) is potentially encouraging someone else (who you may never know personally) to do the same. Together, even small groups of posters dealing in this can establish the Net-based, rationalized concepts of a consistent, latent, violence-bent psychotic process that may affect severely disturbed people in dramatic ways that they would not normal people.
So there is in any hateful, dehumanizing declaration or vituperation, some risk of enabling violent, psychotic acting out of a schizoaffective process.
Sometimes we can flick lit matches for hours and nothing happens. Sometimes just one errant flick sends the town up in flames.
Rock musician Peter Gabriel once told a story in an interview about a magic trick someone gave him to figure out in his spare time while traveling on tour with the band. Several sharp, double-edged razor blades tied together by string, placed into the mouth must be pulled out quickly by the end of the string only, without cutting yourself. I am no big fan of Gabriel's (hard-left) politics, but I got the point of that story (from his pre-political period). BTW there isn't really any magic trick like that, he was trying to relate a "modern parable" about human nature and the destructive power of words.
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Care to give an example? Look, I don't see any signigicant number of posters doing that. Sometimes peple post things when they are highly upset that they wouldn't if they were their best selves. Many of the worst comments from posters of all stripes prolly comes from that. Condemnining posters for a few off-the-rails posts out of many is (forgive me) ludicrous.
Forgoing discussion of blame for the healthier twin"cause", it seems entirely reasonable to believe that anyone on any side using dehumanizing rhetoric and terms (as anti-Trumpsters sometimes do) is potentially encouraging someone else to do the same. Together, even small groups of people can establish the rationalized basis of a consistent, latent, violence-bent psychotic process that may affect severely disturbed people in dramatic ways that they would not normal people.
So there is in any hateful, dehumanizing declaration or vituperation, some risk of enabling violent, psychotic acting out of a schizoaffective process. Sometimes you cam flick lit matches for hours and nothing happens. Sometimes just one errant flick sends the town up in flames.
Rock musician Peter Gabriel once told a story in an interview about a magic trick someone gave him to figure as passed the time traveling on tour with his band. Several sharp razor blades tied together by string, placed into the mouth,must then be pulled out quickly by the end of the string only, without cutting yourself. I am no big fan of Gabriel's (hard-left) politics, but I got the point of that story. (BTW there isn't really any trick like that, he was telling a "modern parable" about human nature and the destructive power of words.
Heres an example from earlier today: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267801.msg1360736.html#msg1360736
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Because the attacks are rare and reported when they happen. Not one chance in hell a armed attack on a public figure is going to happen and the leftist anti-gun media is going to ignore it and not report on it.
True. There may be 137 of them hiding under your bed and in your closet as I write this. The good news is even they aren't attacking anyone.
You DO realize how hard it is to prove a negative,right?
Those of us who are conservative should not be so quick to jump on the anti-gun bandwagon by exaggerating perceived dangers when these attacks are so rare they happen maybe once every decade.
HorseHillary! There ARE attacks made by Muslims every day. They just aren't widely reported because the media is generally pro-immigration and anti-American. Granted,most aren't with firearms,but none the less there are Muslim verbal and physical attacks against non-Muslims every day in this country.
True,but almost all of them are going to wait for the government to attack the government for them. It's a "the nature of the beast" thing.
I am. It IS going to happen eventually. Politics demands it. Politicians fire up hatred towards their opponents in order to fire up their voters to go to the polls to vote for them,and this increases the hatred and mistrust because the voters and their extended families. It's the old "divide and conquer" strategy and it's popular because it works. We have a large segment of today's population that is convinced the country owes them a comfortable,and even luxurious living just because they were born. They have been led to believe this and trained to expect it,and now they are being manipulated to riot and attack (mostly) whites if someone even suggests their "free stuff" is going to be reduced.
Guess what? One day the "free stuff" WILL stop showing up because the system will go broke and there will be no money to provide it. That is the day the system starts to come apart.
I'm not,either. I doubt many people are,but this is no reason to buy into it and imagine the current situation to be worse than it is. All that does is help your enemy.
Cloward - Piven
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
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Heres an example from earlier today: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267801.msg1360736.html#msg1360736
That's it? A photo against gun grabbing showing a Nazi executing some un-armed Warsaw Elder's family-member, suggesting that one educate one's self on History (you do know who the Warsaw Elders were, right?)? And a self-posted picture of an Islamist terrorist leader pointing a gun at the camera, taunting and saying that he is part of an invasion (of course he is, by his own admission, he bragged about it)? Never heard of the book by Qutb "Milestones" ? It's about using immigration as a means for INVASION.
Those two are fairly mild, especially compared to posting that LEO's are "pigs" who deserve to be "fried" or saying that Trump is a deranged madman (Jerry Brown, last week) who wants to lead the evil (sic) Republicans to destroy the world by either gross negligence, or sadistic malice toward the innocent.
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That's it?
You're looking at the warlorded .sig -- look above the horizontal rule.
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Because the attacks are rare and reported when they happen. Not one chance in hell a armed attack on a public figure is going to happen and the leftist anti-gun media is going to ignore it and not report on it.
True. There may be 137 of them hiding under your bed and in your closet as I write this. The good news is even they aren't attacking anyone.
You DO realize how hard it is to prove a negative,right?
Those of us who are conservative should not be so quick to jump on the anti-gun bandwagon by exaggerating perceived dangers when these attacks are so rare they happen maybe once every decade.
Oh, no jumping on an antigun bandwagon (not ever), and I have always been anti-liberal, so what's a mutha to do? :shrug:
HorseHillary! There ARE attacks made by Muslims every day. They just aren't widely reported because the media is generally pro-immigration and anti-American. Granted,most aren't with firearms,but none the less there are Muslim verbal and physical attacks against non-Muslims every day in this country.
Precisely why we won't know how many liberal nutcases are out there wreaking their small scale havoc from day to day. Most of the gibsmedats vote Liberal, regardless of their cultural affiliation. They know where their bread comes from. How many shootings and other serious crimes are really just manifestations of Liberal hate writ in blood? We'll never know, because only one segment of the population is susceptible to committing a "hate crime", the rest are absolved in advance by the media.
True,but almost all of them are going to wait for the government to attack the government for them. It's a "the nature of the beast" thing.
There is more than one way to skin a cat, so they attack people supportive of the government instead, knowing full well that gives them a layer of protection from reprisal or consequence. The government is busy, full of sympathetic people, and less likely to strike back than if the government was directly attacked.
I am. It IS going to happen eventually. Politics demands it. Politicians fire up hatred towards their opponents in order to fire up their voters to go to the polls to vote for them,and this increases the hatred and mistrust because the voters and their extended families. It's the old "divide and conquer" strategy and it's popular because it works. We have a large segment of today's population that is convinced the country owes them a comfortable,and even luxurious living just because they were born. They have been led to believe this and trained to expect it,and now they are being manipulated to riot and attack (mostly) whites if someone even suggests their "free stuff" is going to be reduced.
Guess what? One day the "free stuff" WILL stop showing up because the system will go broke and there will be no money to provide it. That is the day the system starts to come apart.
You may well be right, if they cannot be weaned of their dependencies. I don't think even that would go smoothly, because the expectations of those on the 'plantation' are pretty high. That is a distortion brought about by television. What? no granite countertops, no hardwood floors, no gold plated fixtures? Who would live like that? Drive an old Chevrolet instead of a new Escalade? say whaaat? Only on television ...
I'm not,either. I doubt many people are,but this is no reason to buy into it and imagine the current situation to be worse than it is. All that does is help your enemy.
i don't think I am making out things to be worse than they are.
I'm a regular bleeping Pollyanna.
I have noticed that the "Community Organizer" we had in office didn't organize MY community. Instead billions of dollars were funneled into someone elses' communities, ACORNed out to swarms of organizations and foundations (and skimmed, doubtless), but still money sent around, along with free phones with apps to organize more on. They have already been used to orchestrate robberies, looting, riots, and protests, along with the internet (we aren't the only ones using it). The framework is in place, through a multitude of different organizations. While Fast and Furious was going on, there was another operation being conducted by the BATF which got little press, even on the internet: Operation gangwalker, conducted in Indiana and possibly elsewhere, where following the mold of gunwalker on the Mexican Border, guns were sold to straw buyers for gangs. I don't have any information on how many, but I'd just about bet some of those have shown up in Chicago...
Not all of the guns bought during the Obama years were bought by Conservatives.
We do know police have been targeted, we know now that Congressmen aren't off the dance card, unless they are Democrats, and that may get worse.
Sure, we can blame the media and the "entertainment" industry for much of the frothing at the mouth enmity that is out there, and it seems that even they have begun to believe their spiel, but unfortunately, a lot of people have been brainwashed by the rhetoric. They say it without ever having given a thought to what the words mean. Things like "economic justice" or "social justice" or 'environmental justice" and phrases like the 1%ers or 'the rich white man', roll out of their mouths without effort, because they have been conditioned to think in those terms, however meaningless they might be or however nonsensical the concepts are in real life.
I figure I'll be ready as I will be, and deal with what I have to deal with, same as any day.
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@Smokin Joe
We do know police have been targeted, we know now that Congressmen aren't off the dance card, unless they are Democrats, and that may get worse.
I can see a scenario where they are all on the dance card. There are fanatics on both sides.
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@Smokin Joe
We do know police have been targeted, we know now that Congressmen aren't off the dance card, unless they are Democrats, and that may get worse.
I can see a scenario where they are all on the dance card. There are fanatics on both sides.
True enough.
If the rules come off, I will defend me and mine, whatever that takes, but learned long ago to not go looking for trouble unless I knew it was coming for me.
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For the safety of the police officers who came to the aid of the players it would be best NOT to identify them to the public.
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Scalise condition upgraded from critical to serious.......... he's making improvements....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/17/scalise-shooting-gop-congressman-upgraded-from-critical-to-serious-condition.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/17/scalise-shooting-gop-congressman-upgraded-from-critical-to-serious-condition.html)
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Care to give an example? Look, I don't see any signigicant number of posters doing that here on this forum. And sometimes people post things when they are highly upset that they wouldn't if they were their best selves. Our posters are real people with real lives. Many of the worst comments from posters of all stripes prolly come from that being fallible human beings subject to bad moods. Condemnining posters for a few off-the-rails posts out of many is (forgive me) ludicrous.
@LateForLunch
Aside from the normal, everyday posting-in-a-mood, there are some conscious and deliberate attempts to do just that. The other day, in response to an accusation, I explained why the poster was wrong. That explanation was ignored out of hand and the accusations continued.
That's what happens when people are deeply invested in something which doesn't hold water. When the leaks start coming faster, some will say, what can we do to fix this. Others will stand in the middle of the rising water, casting around in denial for reasons why those who see the leaks are lying.
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@DiogenesLamp
He most likely did know. He was an intelligent man and was friends with intelligent Germans. No doubt one of more of his colleagues heard about it and passed him the word to get the hell out of Dodge,NOW.
That makes sense. But on the other hand, I will point out that Szilard saw the potential for a fission reaction decades before anyone else even thought a thing possible. It is my opinion that Fission is literally the consequence of Szilard pushing for it more so than anyone else.
He saw that long before anyone else, so I thought it possible that he could more accurately predict what would happen in Germany and use this information to make his decisions.
But your idea makes more sense.
Not all Germans were dedicated Nazi's and Jew-haters. Probably not even 20 percent of them,if you want me to pull a number out of the air.
The one number I am positive is pretty accurate is the number "100 percent" when it is related to the "number of Germans smart enough to stay quite to avoid taking train rides themselves".
Camouflage. As the Japanese say: "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
Or as I used to put it, "When the whole world is crazy, if you aren't also crazy, you are crazy. "
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Funny how this story barely made the news this morning. It will likely be gone by tomorrow. The Gabby Giffords story lasted for months if not years. Depends who you are I suppose....
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Funny how this story barely made the news this morning. It will likely be gone by tomorrow. The Gabby Giffords story lasted for months if not years. Depends who you are I suppose....
Giffords has stretched her 15 minutes of fame into getting a ship named after her.
The left will NEVER let us forget about that one.
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Giffords has stretched her 15 minutes of fame into getting a ship named after her.
The left will NEVER let us forget about that one.
Wow, that's the truth. I won't hold my breath waiting for anything to be named after Rep. Scalise. **nononono*
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Funny how this story barely made the news this morning. It will likely be gone by tomorrow. The Gabby Giffords story lasted for months if not years. Depends who you are I suppose....
Nope. Depends on whether you are a liberal or conservative. If you are a conservative your life and well being are unimportant except for how it can advance the leftist agenda
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Funny how this story barely made the news this morning. It will likely be gone by tomorrow. The Gabby Giffords story lasted for months if not years. Depends who you are I suppose....
The ironic thing about the Giffords' story is that the left just made up that the blame lay on the heads of conservatives.
The guy was a nutcase with absolutely no association with conservatism, but they took their LIE and are still making it a story.
This guy actually WAS motivated by politics (theirs, of course), and he's going to be forgotten............. as will his victims.
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The ironic thing about the Giffords' story is that the left just made up that the blame lay on the heads of conservatives.
The guy was a nutcase with absolutely no association with conservatism, but they took their LIE and are still making it a story.
This guy actually WAS motivated by politics (theirs, of course), and he's going to be forgotten............. as will his victims.
Another victim of that event was a judge, and he barely got any column inches. No matter to the left, they had a new poster person for their anti-gun screeds (James Brady was getting a little old for the role).
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Another victim of that event was a judge, and he barely got any column inches. No matter to the left, they had a new poster person for their anti-gun screeds (James Brady was getting a little old for the role).
Column inches is a sucking thing, right?
One victim got lots of column inches mercurially.
The other got barely any column inches like a fish out of water sucking air.
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Column inches is a sucking thing, right?
One victim got lots of column inches mercurially.
The other got barely any column inches like a fish out of water sucking air.
You may be onto something, Fred. An information vacuum does tend to be indicated by a lack of them. When the pressure is on, there are more, and it might be a barometer of what the MSM considers 'important'.