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Title: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 01:59:23 pm
What is a cloture vote?

Cloture is basically a vote to go ahead on a vote, a procedural oddity of the Senate that allows a majority leader to “push past a recalcitrant minority,” as Pew Research Center explains. Cloture is a “is a blunt tool for managing the Senate,” as Brookings Institution’s Sarah Binder put it.

Traditionally, 60 senators must vote for a cloture motion to pass, but Democrats, in 2013, and Republicans, in  2017, invoked the “nuclear option,” which allows a simple majority of just 51 senators to approve it (even though official Senate rules still say 60 votes are needed).

Cloture votes are now more prevalent

In the 2013-14 Congress, after Barack Obama won his second term, there was a massive rise in cloture motions. They more than doubled to 252 from 115 in the previous session. In 2013-14, a Republican minority led by McConnell  filibustered dozens of Obama nominees, and Democrats used cloture votes to push past them.

https://qz.com/1413228/what-is-a-cloture-vote-and-why-is-mcconnell-is-using-it-for-the-kavanaugh-vote/
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:13:25 pm
They won't say if they have the votes... 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:16:42 pm

Evan McMurry
‏Verified account @evanmcmurry
2m2 minutes ago

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Brett Kavanaugh: "Never before have we had a nominee display such flagrant partisanship and open hostility at a hearing. And never before have we had a nominee facing allegations of sexual assault."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: rustynail on October 05, 2018, 02:18:20 pm
'after Barack Obama'....the gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:18:24 pm

Lou Dobbs
‏Verified account @LouDobbs
1h1 hour ago

Politically corrupt FBI and DOJ officials are everywhere: Ford's FBI Friend, Monica McLean, Pressured Witness To Modify Testimony and Statement...
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:21:19 pm

The Reagan Battalion
‏Verified account @ReaganBattalion
4m4 minutes ago

BREAKING: @SenatorCollins will vote YES on CLOTURE.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:21:57 pm
 Glenn Kessler Retweeted
Steve Brusk
‏Verified account @stevebruskCNN
17m17 minutes ago

Sen. Susan Collins will vote yes on the procedural vote this morning, but won’t announce her final vote on the nomination until 3pm this afternoon,
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 02:24:24 pm
Lou Dobbs
‏Verified account @LouDobbs
1h1 hour ago

Politically corrupt FBI and DOJ officials are everywhere: Ford's FBI Friend, Monica McLean, Pressured Witness To Modify Testimony and Statement...

This whole effort to take Kavanaugh down is a criminal Conspiracy orchestrated by Hillary Clinton's former press secretary Brian Fallon!

https://www.independentsentinel.com/brian-fallon-threatens-senators-kavanaugh-reveals-the-plan/ (https://www.independentsentinel.com/brian-fallon-threatens-senators-kavanaugh-reveals-the-plan/)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Hoodat on October 05, 2018, 02:32:32 pm
A Senator does not require a cloture vote in order to give his/her consent.  Just sayin'  .  .  .
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Hoodat on October 05, 2018, 02:34:10 pm
Evan McMurry
‏Verified account @evanmcmurry
2m2 minutes ago

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Brett Kavanaugh: "Never before have we had a nominee display such flagrant partisanship and open hostility at a hearing.

And never before have we had a nominee falsely accused of rape and sexual assault.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:38:56 pm
Sen Flake..yes
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:42:05 pm

Chad Pergram
‏Verified account @ChadPergram
1m1 minute ago

If the Senate fails cut off debate…game over for Kavanaugh. They are stuck. There is a bipartisan filibuster of the nomination and McConnell will be unable to draw debate to a close.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:44:50 pm
Murkowski...a NO

Manchin..Yes
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:45:58 pm
Murkowski owes Trump...damn her No vote
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:47:16 pm
Cloture passes
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on October 05, 2018, 02:48:51 pm
Cloture passes

Great news.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Sanguine on October 05, 2018, 02:50:23 pm
Thanks for starting this thread, @mystery-ak.   
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2018, 02:51:54 pm
Murkowski owes Trump...damn her No vote

Murkowski is deserving of a very special kind of disgust.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:51:55 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DomTxfWU4AABisx.jpg)

I guess this worked
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 02:51:58 pm
Murkowski owes Trump...damn her No vote

I guess Murkowski wasn't satisfied with the FBI report.  Flake and Collins were.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:52:41 pm
Collins will announce how she will vote tomorrow at 3pm
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: austingirl on October 05, 2018, 02:52:55 pm
Murkowski owes Trump...damn her No vote

I hope she pays politically. I guess DiFi intimidation worked. The old crone must have something big on Murkowski.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 02:53:08 pm
51 ayes

49 nays
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: 240B on October 05, 2018, 02:53:40 pm
Now we need a 'cloture vote' on Mueller. He is trying to turn this into a career with no end. It is very well past time for Congress to vote to end this insanity.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 05, 2018, 02:56:17 pm
Murkowski is deserving of a very special kind of disgust.

Daines best be letting mom know she's walking sunshine down the aisle tomorrow.   :smokin:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 02:58:45 pm
I hope she pays politically. I guess DiFi intimidation worked. The old crone must have something big on Murkowski.

I predict Murkowski becomes a full-blown Rat after the midterms.   She only stayed an "R" because of her leverage.  Once that's gone, there's no reason for her to stay a Republican.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 02:59:42 pm
There needs to be one hell of a lot of NO votes on Democrats November 6th!

If that doesn't happen, say goodbye to the USA as we have known it.

Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: austingirl on October 05, 2018, 02:59:48 pm
I guess Murkowski wasn't satisfied with the FBI report.  Flake and Collins were.

And I thought they were voting in a block.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:02:47 pm
McCaskill was a Nay

She is in a tight race in Mo.....she needs to lose it
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 03:05:28 pm
And I thought they were voting in a block.

Or they agreed it would be 2-1, knowing that he'd still go through.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:07:52 pm
I predict Murkowski becomes a full-blown Rat after the midterms.   She only stayed an "R" because of her leverage.  Once that's gone, there's no reason for her to stay a Republican.

What committee does she chair?...McConnell needs to take it away
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: WilliamVA on October 05, 2018, 03:08:12 pm
I wonder what they are planning, two youngins are standing at the door to the
Senate, preparing to open it.   Pense coming?  McConnell normally doesn't stand
around unless something is coming up.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 03:09:24 pm
What committee does she chair?...McConnell needs to take it away

I suspect Murkowski is negotiating with the Rats for a Committee position if she jumps.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:11:54 pm

NPR
‏Verified account @NPR
2m2 minutes ago

Here's how four key swing senators voted on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's procedural vote:

Manchin, http://bit.ly/2E1gDZz (http://bit.ly/2E1gDZz) .: ✔️
Murkowski, R-Alaska: ✖️
Collins, R-Maine: ✔️
Flake, R-Ariz.: ✔️
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 05, 2018, 03:11:57 pm
People do realize that even if the Senate is tied 50-50, the VP gets to vote, right?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:12:26 pm
I suspect Murkowski is negotiating with the Rats for a Committee position if she jumps.

my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:12:47 pm
People do realize that even if the Senate is tied 50-50, the VP gets to vote, right?

right
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2018, 03:13:23 pm
Daines best be letting mom know she's walking sunshine down the aisle tomorrow.   :smokin:

Whats up with that guy.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:14:06 pm

Candace Owens
‏Verified account @RealCandaceO
22s22 seconds ago

.@lisamurkowski: you won’t see conservatives screaming, crying or protesting you in the streets, but you should know that today you failed.

You affirmed the stereotype of weak, emotional women.

You chose feelings over rational thoughts and in turn, condemned an innocent man.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:15:10 pm

Steve Daines
‏Verified account @SteveDaines
12m12 minutes ago

Just cast my vote for Judge Kavanaugh getting him one step closer onto #SCOTUS. We spoke last night, and I assured him, I will be back to vote YES this weekend if needed. Looking forward to calling Judge Kavanaugh, Justice Kavanaugh.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:16:24 pm
What committee does she chair?...McConnell needs to take it away

Current Committee Assignments

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CPUB-115spub10/pdf/GPO-CPUB-115spub10.pdf (https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CPUB-115spub10/pdf/GPO-CPUB-115spub10.pdf)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:18:48 pm
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Mrs. Capito, Chairman
Mr. Shelby
Ms. Murkowski
Mr. Boozman
Mr. Hoeven
Mr. Lankford
Mr. Kennedy
Mr. Tester
Mrs. Shaheen
Mr. Leahy
Mrs. Murray
Ms. Baldwin
Mr. Manchin
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:19:50 pm
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, ENVIRONMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES
Ms. Murkowski, Chairman
Mr. Alexander
Mr. Blunt
Mr. McConnell
Mr. Daines
Mrs. Capito
Mr. Rubio
Mrs. Hyde-Smith
Mr. Udall
Mrs. Feinstein
Mr. Leahy
Mr. Reed
Mr. Tester
Mr. Merkley
Mr. Van Hollen
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:21:02 pm
ENERGY AND WATER DEVELOPMENT
Mr. Alexander, Chairman
Mr. McConnell
Mr. Shelby
Ms. Collins
Ms. Murkowski
Mr. Graham
Mr. Hoeven
Mr. Kennedy
Mr. Lankford
Mrs. Feinstein
Mrs. Murray
Mr. Tester
Mr. Durbin
Mr. Udall
Mrs. Shaheen
Mr. Merkley
Mr. Coons
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:21:12 pm

Jay Cost
‏Verified account @JayCostTWS
5m5 minutes ago

Jay Cost Retweeted Alexandra DeSanctis

For all intents and purposes, Murkowski's coalition in AK is half Dem & half GOP.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:22:00 pm
MILITARY CONSTRUCTION AND VETERANS AFFAIRS, AND RELATED
AGENCIES
Mr. Boozman, Chairman
Mr. McConnell
Ms. Murkowski
Mr. Hoeven
Ms. Collins
Mrs. Capito
Mr. Moran
Mr. Rubio
Mr. Schatz
Mr. Tester
Mrs. Murray
Mr. Reed
Mr. Udall
Ms. Baldwin
Mr. Murphy
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 03:24:53 pm
Jay Cost
‏Verified account @JayCostTWS
5m5 minutes ago

Jay Cost Retweeted Alexandra DeSanctis

For all intents and purposes, Murkowski's coalition in AK is half Dem & half GOP.

She's Jumping.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:27:51 pm
HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR, AND PENSIONS
Lamar Alexander, of Tennessee,
Chairman
Michael B. Enzi, of Wyoming
Richard Burr, of North Carolina
Johnny Isakson, of Georgia
Rand Paul, of Kentucky
Susan M. Collins, of Maine
Bill Cassidy, of Louisiana
Todd Young, of Indiana
Orrin G. Hatch, of Utah
Pat Roberts, of Kansas
Lisa Murkowski, of Alaska
Tim Scott, of South Carolina
Patty Murray, of Washington
Bernard Sanders, of Vermont
Robert P. Casey, Jr., of Pennsylvania
Michael F. Bennet, of Colorado
Tammy Baldwin, of Wisconsin
Christopher Murphy, of Connecticut
Elizabeth Warren, of Massachusetts
Tim Kaine, of Virginia
Margaret Wood Hassan, of New
Hampshire
Tina Smith, of Minnesota
Doug Jones, of Alabama

Subcommittees
CHILDREN AND FAMILIES
Mr. Paul, Chairman
Ms. Murkowski
Mr. Burr
Mr. Cassidy
Mr. Young
Mr. Hatch
Mr. Roberts
Mr. Casey
Mr. Sanders
Mr. Bennet
Mr. Kaine
Ms. Hassan
Ms. Smith

EMPLOYMENT AND WORKPLACE SAFETY
Mr. Isakson, Chairman
Mr. Roberts
Mr. Scott
Mr. Burr
Mr. Paul
Mr. Cassidy
Mr. Young
Ms. Baldwin
Mr. Casey
Mr. Murphy
Ms. Warren
Ms. Smith
Mr. Jones

PRIMARY HEALTH AND RETIREMENT SECURITY
Mr. Enzi, Chairman
Mr. Burr
Ms. Collins
Mr. Cassidy
Mr. Young
Mr. Hatch
Mr. Roberts
Mr. Scott
Ms. Murkowski
Mr. Sanders
Mr. Bennet
Ms. Baldwin
Mr. Murphy
Ms. Warren
Mr. Kaine
Ms. Hassan
Mr. Jones
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 03:29:51 pm

Pence on standby in case his vote is needed

Vie President Mike Pence is in Washington this weekend, in case his vote is needed to break a tie, sources tell CBS News.

Pence, while he has expressed his support for Kavanaugh, has been less vocal in his defense of the nominee than has Mr. Trump. At a rally in Minnesota Thursday night, the president blasted Democrats for obstructing his nominee, although it was Republicans who requested the delay in the vote to allow for the FBI probe. The president also reiterated his defense of Kavanaugh on Twitter.

"The harsh and unfair treatment of Judge Brett Kavanaugh is having an incredible upward impact on voters. The PEOPLE get it far better than the politicians. Most importantly, this great life cannot be ruined by mean & despicable Democrats and totally uncorroborated allegations!" the president tweeted Thursday.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 05, 2018, 03:30:45 pm
Murkowski's not up for reelection until 2022.

If she thinks changing parties is going to be a good "career move" .... she's not paying attention.  She'll be a member of a deeper minority party come Jan 2019.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 05, 2018, 03:32:45 pm
Steve Daines
‏Verified account @SteveDaines
12m12 minutes ago

Just cast my vote for Judge Kavanaugh getting him one step closer onto #SCOTUS. We spoke last night, and I assured him, I will be back to vote YES this weekend if needed. Looking forward to calling Judge Kavanaugh, Justice Kavanaugh.

I hate this "if needed" bullshit.  Get your ass back to Washington, period.  Things in the circus ring change on a dime.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 03:33:25 pm
INDIAN AFFAIRS
John Hoeven, of North Dakota,
Chairman
John Barrasso, of Wyoming
John McCain, of Arizona
Lisa Murkowski, of Alaska
James Lankford, of Oklahoma
Steve Daines, of Montana
Mike Crapo, of Idaho
Jerry Moran, of Kansas
Tom Udall, of New Mexico,
Vice Chairman Maria Cantwell, of Washington
Jon Tester, of Montana
Brian Schatz, of Hawaii
Heidi Heitkamp, of North Dakota
Catherine Cortez Masto, of Nevada
Tina Smith, of Minnesota
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2018, 03:44:37 pm
Whats up with that guy.

His plan to walk with his daughter at her wedding was long planned.  If the wedding is early enough, he can fly in to DC in time for the vote.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Sanguine on October 05, 2018, 03:48:32 pm
Pence on standby in case his vote is needed

Vie President Mike Pence is in Washington this weekend, in case his vote is needed to break a tie, sources tell CBS News.

Pence, while he has expressed his support for Kavanaugh, has been less vocal in his defense of the nominee than has Mr. Trump. At a rally in Minnesota Thursday night, the president blasted Democrats for obstructing his nominee, although it was Republicans who requested the delay in the vote to allow for the FBI probe. The president also reiterated his defense of Kavanaugh on Twitter.

"The harsh and unfair treatment of Judge Brett Kavanaugh is having an incredible upward impact on voters. The PEOPLE get it far better than the politicians. Most importantly, this great life cannot be ruined by mean & despicable Democrats and totally uncorroborated allegations!" the president tweeted Thursday.

Pence is less vocal overall.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Fishrrman on October 05, 2018, 03:48:43 pm
Folks, we're in trouble here.

Murkowski is out -- she will vote no, against confirmation.

That leaves 50 Republican votes left.

Flake the snake cannot be trusted, and I expect him to vote either "no" or "present" in the final vote. So, that's 49 Pubbie votes.
(aside: what's all this nonsense about Flake and Coons "talking together"? Sounds like "betrayal" to me)
Then again, I could be wrong, he could vote "aye". In that case, we win. But I'm not expecting this.

Collins will announce her intentions at 3.00pm. I don't trust her. No way to know what it will be until 3 this afternoon.

If Collins votes "aye", that's 50 -- Mike Pence breaks the tie for 51.
But if Collins votes "no", we're at 49, unless Manchin provides the needed vote.

If Manchin stuck his nose out once already against the democrat-communists to vote "aye" this morning, I'm thinking he will do so again in the final vote. That's 50 votes if he does. Mike Pence can then "break the tie" with his vote.

(another aside: if Manchin pulls through in West Virginia, he'd better switch parties. He'll be toast with the democrat-communists afterwards).

If McConnell suddenly pulls back from the final vote (which I guess will now be Sunday morning because of that IDIOT senator Daines going home for a wedding), you'll know "the votes aren't there".

I hope that doesn't happen. I'll take a 51-49 win. Or even a 50-49 win (I think this could happen if Flake votes "present").

But -- if it DOES -- will you start considering what I've been posting about a recess appointment, followed by a confirmation vote in January...?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2018, 03:49:00 pm
Executive Summary of FBI report:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/read-the-executive-summary-of-the-fbis-supplemental-investigation-into-kavanaugh-allegations (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/read-the-executive-summary-of-the-fbis-supplemental-investigation-into-kavanaugh-allegations)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 04:17:22 pm
NBC News
NBC News
@NBCNews
BREAKING: Following dramatic cmte. move that led to FBI review, Sen. Flake says he plans to vote in favor of Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation to the US Supreme Court.
11:00 AM · Oct 5, 2018
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 04:17:58 pm
NBC News
@NBCNews
·
12m
Replying to @NBCNews
Sen. Murkowski says she believes Judge Kavanaugh "is a good man" but maybe “not the right man for" US Supreme Court “at this time.”

On no vote on cloture, breaking from party line, she says that "I did not come to a decision on this until walking into the floor this morning."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: austingirl on October 05, 2018, 04:26:28 pm
NBC News
@NBCNews
·
12m
Replying to @NBCNews
Sen. Murkowski says she believes Judge Kavanaugh "is a good man" but maybe “not the right man for" US Supreme Court “at this time.”

On no vote on cloture, breaking from party line, she says that "I did not come to a decision on this until walking into the floor this morning."

Nonsensical.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Fishrrman on October 05, 2018, 04:27:26 pm
Mystery posted:
"BREAKING: Following dramatic cmte. move that led to FBI review, Sen. Flake says he plans to vote in favor of Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation to the US Supreme Court."

OK, I'm surprised Flake did this, this changes the whole picture.

Let's assess:
Flake - aye
Murkowski - no
Collins - ??? (unknown until 3 pm)
Manchin - ??? (but looks hopeful)

51 (Republicans) - Murkowski = 50.

If Collins says "no", that's 49+Manchin = 50+Pence = 51.

If Collins says "aye", that's 50+Pence=51 (Manchin not needed).
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: XenaLee on October 05, 2018, 04:28:15 pm
People do realize that even if the Senate is tied 50-50, the VP gets to vote, right?

If, by "people", you mean Democrat constituents then no, they don't have a clue. 
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Hoodat on October 05, 2018, 05:06:34 pm
If, by "people", you mean Democrat constituents then no, they don't have a clue.

If Democrats had their way, there wouldn't be a vote.  Instead, they would be spending our tax dollars on barbed wire and cattle cars.

Their rhetoric eventually leads to a Final Solution.  I have seen this movie before.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: XenaLee on October 05, 2018, 05:09:45 pm
If Democrats had their way, there wouldn't be a vote.  Instead, they would be spending our tax dollars on barbed wire and cattle cars.

Their rhetoric eventually leads to a Final Solution.  I have seen this movie before.

So have I... and many of them have already signaled their fondest desires and moist dreams re: that future "roundup".
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: verga on October 05, 2018, 05:57:37 pm
I hate this "if needed" bullshit.  Get your ass back to Washington, period.  Things in the circus ring change on a dime.
Hey, it's his daughters wedding. I am certain that she didn't pick this date knowing this was going to happen. give him a break.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: verga on October 05, 2018, 05:59:09 pm
INDIAN AFFAIRS
John Hoeven, of North Dakota,
Chairman
John Barrasso, of Wyoming
John McCain, of Arizona
Lisa Murkowski, of Alaska
James Lankford, of Oklahoma
Steve Daines, of Montana
Mike Crapo, of Idaho
Jerry Moran, of Kansas
Tom Udall, of New Mexico,
Vice Chairman Maria Cantwell, of Washington
Jon Tester, of Montana
Brian Schatz, of Hawaii
Heidi Heitkamp, of North Dakota
Catherine Cortez Masto, of Nevada
Tina Smith, of Minnesota
Hey Princess Fauxcahontas Lieawatha isn't on this committee
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Applewood on October 05, 2018, 06:09:08 pm
Pence is less vocal overall.


I'd say Trump has been more than "vocal" for both of them.  In fact, this is one time I wish he would shaddap.  We all know Trump supports his nominee.  Does he really have to go on Twitter or stand in front of his fans and spew  lot of vicious crap? 

Perhaps if the great dealmaker had instead spoken to Murkowski and persuaded her to vote for the judge, the vote might not be as much in doubt as it is now.  Where is the leadership of the Republican Party?  Why can't they get their members in line?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 05, 2018, 06:18:35 pm
NBC News
NBC News
@NBCNews
BREAKING: Following dramatic cmte. move that led to FBI review, Sen. Flake says he plans to vote in favor of Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation to the US Supreme Court.
11:00 AM · Oct 5, 2018

I don’t pray often a 4AM as I drive into work but I did today. This is great news
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 06:25:00 pm

Kimberley Strassel
‏Verified account @KimStrassel
59m59 minutes ago

1) Just to be clear on what @lisamurkowski voted for today:
--to legitimize and sign off on the most despicable tactics ever in a nomination.
--to stand with Dianne Feinstein, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris.
--to leave Judge Brett Kavanaugh subject to claims of perjury/impeachment
------------------------------------


Kimberley Strassel
‏Verified account @KimStrassel
60m60 minutes ago

2)
--to abandon due process and presumption of innocence.
--to potentially leave High Court at a 4-4 deadlock, putting the loony 9th circuit in control of everything that matters to Alaska--development, prop rights, gun rights, enviro rules, etc.
Quite the statement.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 05, 2018, 06:25:54 pm
Kimberley Strassel
‏Verified account @KimStrassel
59m59 minutes ago

1) Just to be clear on what @lisamurkowski voted for today:
--to legitimize and sign off on the most despicable tactics ever in a nomination.
--to stand with Dianne Feinstein, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris.
--to leave Judge Brett Kavanaugh subject to claims of perjury/impeachment
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2)
--to abandon due process and presumption of innocence.
--to potentially leave High Court at a 4-4 deadlock, putting the loony 9th circuit in control of everything that matters to Alaska--development, prop rights, gun rights, enviro rules, etc.
Quite the statement.

She just voted against cloture though. Not sure why.  :shrug:

Just another article that her mind isn't made up yet.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 05, 2018, 06:46:56 pm
On FR they're saying Collins is a "no" but on DU they said Lindsey Graham just announced she's a "yes".

So...  :shrug:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Fishrrman on October 05, 2018, 06:52:19 pm
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/10/05/no-clear-yet-collins-may-change-vote-n2525818

According to the above, Collins is a "no" vote. 8 minutes to go.

That leaves Manchin.

Without him, we lose.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on October 05, 2018, 07:44:40 pm
She's still rattling on and on, but she's a 'yes'.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: verga on October 05, 2018, 07:45:57 pm
She's still rattling on and on, but she's a 'yes'.
That is what I sensed as well.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: LucasWhite on October 05, 2018, 07:57:31 pm
Collins says she will vote yes.  Keep liberals away from doorknobs so they don't hang themselves.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: DCPatriot on October 05, 2018, 07:59:39 pm
Collins says she will vote yes.  Keep liberals away from doorknobs so they don't hang themselves.

???

Hand them the rope.   :whistle:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: TomSea on October 05, 2018, 08:01:46 pm
"Shame, Shame" by the protesters, this is surreal.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Fishrrman on October 05, 2018, 08:10:02 pm
OK, with Flake and Collins, we have 50 votes, providing that idiot Daines from Montana shows up. Mike Pence makes 51. Manchin can vote yes or no, will not matter.

Don't go raisin' yer glasses for a toast yet.
The votes aren't counted until tomorrow night or Sunday.

Even then, hold those glasses down until John Roberts swears in Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Trump shakes his hand.

Addendum:
Manchin says "aye".
We're gettin' closer...!

I'm wondern' if Mitch made Manchin "an offa he can't refuse"?
Also, I'll guess that Murkowski had counted on Collins and Flake saying "no". Looks like she has made herself into persona non grata by jumpin' the shark too soon!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Polly Ticks on October 05, 2018, 08:11:14 pm
Manchin has announced his 'yes' vote as well.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 05, 2018, 08:11:50 pm
OK, with Flake and Collins, we have 50 votes, providing that idiot Daines from Montana shows up. Mike Pence makes 51. Manchin can vote yes or no, will not matter.

Don't go raisin' yer glasses for a toast yet.
The votes aren't counted until tomorrow night or Sunday.

Even then, hold those glasses down until John Roberts swears in Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Trump shakes his hand.

50 Senators is a quorum so...
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: LucasWhite on October 05, 2018, 08:19:15 pm
 ****slapping
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mrclose on October 05, 2018, 08:37:08 pm


Say hello to Justice Kavanaugh!



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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: cato potatoe on October 05, 2018, 08:41:12 pm
Red senators from states with blue governors better have lots of security.  A horde of malcontents will be bussed to DC for tomorrow's session.  With the provocative language the dems are using, you just never know.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: kidd on October 05, 2018, 08:57:40 pm
Even then, hold those glasses down until John Roberts swears in Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Trump shakes his hand.

Yes.

There is still room for a dirty trick.
1. Watch for the democrats to end debate EARLIER than 30 hours - so that the scheduled vote occurs while Sen. Daines is walking his daughter down the aisle.
2. Then delay one republican senator through a massive dirty trick...traffic accident, kidnapped family member, etc.
3. Voting is in alphabetical order. Manchin comes after Collins and Flake. Manchin sees what is happening and votes "no".

51 republicans minus MurCOWski, Daines and the delayed senator = 48
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: txradioguy on October 05, 2018, 09:08:43 pm
The next argument we'll here from the Libs is that he's illegitimate due to the fact that the confirmation vote will end up being so close.

Much in the same way they try to delegitimize any 5-4 decision the court makes.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: XenaLee on October 05, 2018, 09:11:09 pm
The next argument we'll here from the Libs is that he's illegitimate due to the fact that the confirmation vote will end up being so close.

Much in the same way they try to delegitimize any 5-4 decision the court makes.

It won't matter what they screech, squeal, scream or say at this point.  It's a done deal.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Applewood on October 05, 2018, 09:13:14 pm
@Fishrrman

I agree with you.  I don't trust any of these bums - Democrat and Republican.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: cammie on October 05, 2018, 09:22:35 pm
Yes.

There is still room for a dirty trick.
1. Watch for the democrats to end debate EARLIER than 30 hours - so that the scheduled vote occurs while Sen. Daines is walking his daughter down the aisle.
2. Then delay one republican senator through a massive dirty trick...traffic accident, kidnapped family member, etc.
3. Voting is in alphabetical order. Manchin comes after Collins and Flake. Manchin sees what is happening and votes "no".

51 republicans minus MurCOWski, Daines and the delayed senator = 48

Perhaps a stupid question here, but can't the Republicans end debate earlier than 30 hours? Like tonight?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: austingirl on October 05, 2018, 09:26:06 pm
I have newfound respect for Susan Collins. She will be harangued by the left forever.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: mystery-ak on October 05, 2018, 09:27:58 pm
Perhaps a stupid question here, but can't the Republicans end debate earlier than 30 hours? Like tonight?

I heard McConnell change the rules but he won't
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: XenaLee on October 05, 2018, 09:29:16 pm
Perhaps a stupid question here, but can't the Republicans end debate earlier than 30 hours? Like tonight?

Why would they want to or need to?   All it means is that the Democrats will continue to rehash the same old tired and worn stuff that has already been said, ad nauseam.  Let them "debate".  It's all over but the left's screeching ....cue Rosie O' (fat lady) for the DNC swan song.

Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2018, 09:35:48 pm
The next argument we'll here from the Libs is that he's illegitimate due to the fact that the confirmation vote will end up being so close.

Much in the same way they try to delegitimize any 5-4 decision the court makes.

They are already demanding he recuse himself from any case involving Democrats.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: cammie on October 05, 2018, 09:36:27 pm
Why would they want to or need to?   All it means is that the Democrats will continue to rehash the same old tired and worn stuff that has already been said, ad nauseam.  Let them "debate".  It's all over but the left's screeching ....cue Rosie O' (fat lady) for the DNC swan song.

Less time for anyone to Flake and like the posters above, I'd really like Daines there.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: XenaLee on October 05, 2018, 09:38:35 pm
They are already demanding he recuse himself from any case involving Democrats.

Gee, if that were the precedent, we could get the other half (the leftie half) of the USSC to recuse themselves from anything involving the GOP.  Which would effectively negate the purpose of having the USSC.  Hilarious how, as usual, the idiot left tries to change the rules of the game to suit ONLY their side.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: XenaLee on October 05, 2018, 09:40:16 pm
Less time for anyone to Flake and like the posters above, I'd really like Daines there.

Flake and Collins have both gone on record to say how they will vote.  I'm not worried and you shouldn't be either, at this point, and considering the events of today.  It's shaping up to have been a very good day.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 09:41:23 pm
They are already demanding he recuse himself from any case involving Democrats.

He should comply right after Kagan and the wise Latina do that in cases involving republicans.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 09:51:13 pm
"Women Must Be Heard"


Ok!

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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2018, 09:51:37 pm
He should comply right after Kagan and the wise Latina do that in cases involving republicans.

We were assured Kagan would judge the Obastardcare case fairly, right before she voted to uphold the law she personally defended before the SCOTUS. 
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: dfwgator on October 05, 2018, 09:53:48 pm
We were assured Kagan would judge the Obastardcare case fairly, right before she voted to uphold the law she personally defended before the SCOTUS.

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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2018, 09:55:01 pm
We were assured Kagan would judge the Obastardcare case fairly, right before she voted to uphold the law she personally defended before the SCOTUS.

Yeah!  My point exactly!  Thanks!   :beer:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: txradioguy on October 05, 2018, 11:09:57 pm
They are already demanding he recuse himself from any case involving Democrats.

You mean in the same way Justice Kagan recused herself from anything dealing with Obamacare? /sarc
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2018, 11:48:16 pm
You mean in the same way Justice Kagan recused herself from anything dealing with Obamacare? /sarc

Perzackly.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>Cloture Vote
Post by: Mod1 on October 09, 2018, 12:22:15 am
It's been a few days since the vote.  Let's find other topics to discuss.  Thread locked.