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Joe Walsh to mount primary bid against 'absolutely unfit' Trump
By NATASHA KORECKI
08/21/2019 11:23 PM EDT
CHICAGO — Joe Walsh, the flame-throwing conservative radio show host and former Illinois congressman, is moving toward challenging President Donald Trump in a Republican primary, calling the president an “unfit divider in chief†and claiming the party is craving an alternative.
Walsh told POLITICO on Wednesday he is confident he could secure the resources and support to mount a challenge against the president, and that if he ran, he would announce in short order. While Walsh would not confirm he would enter the primary, two sources who spoke to him said he was privately confirming he would announce his presidential bid this weekend.
“If I’m to do it, it’s going to happen soon,†Walsh told POLITICO on Wednesday. “I’ve been really surprised by the amount of anxiousness from people across the spectrum who want this president to have a challenge, because there’s just a real concern that he’s absolutely unfit.â€
Walsh has little chance of posing a genuine threat to Trump, who’s light-years ahead in fundraising and whose favorability ratings remain strong with Republicans in poll after poll.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/21/joe-walsh-primary-bid-trump-1471632 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/21/joe-walsh-primary-bid-trump-1471632)
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A Better Man?
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Well, you know, "The Smoker you Drink the Player You Get" :whistle:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHwBoT9tMk&list=PLLfLWygNyBDPDujTLqDBBHy0FXPskMIpQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHwBoT9tMk&list=PLLfLWygNyBDPDujTLqDBBHy0FXPskMIpQ#)
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Well, you know, "The Smoker you Drink the Player You Get" :whistle:
"You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind"
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One of the hardcore NeverTrumpers is going to run third Party against Trump. Romney, Walsh, Kristol, or someone else will run not to win, but simply to sabotage Trump to ensure a Democrat President. The NTs keep saying over and over, until they are blue in the face, that they are NOT Democrats and NOT Liberals. And yet everything they do bolsters the Democrats and Liberals.
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One of the hardcore NeverTrumpers is going to run third Party against Trump. Romney, Walsh, Kristol, or someone else will run not to win, but simply to sabotage Trump to ensure a Democrat President. The NTs keep saying over and over, until they are blue in the face, that they are NOT Democrats and NOT Liberals. And yet everything they do bolsters the Democrats and Liberals.
I totally agree!
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One of the hardcore NeverTrumpers is going to run third Party against Trump. Romney, Walsh, Kristol, or someone else will run not to win, but simply to sabotage Trump to ensure a Democrat President. The NTs keep saying over and over, until they are blue in the face, that they are NOT Democrats and NOT Liberals. And yet everything they do bolsters the Democrats and Liberals.
Defeating an incumbent president in a primary is really a long shot. Trump managed to fill more seats at one of his rallies than Elton John did. Despite the skewed and weak polling data that shows Trump's popularity waning, I don't see any GOP challenging Trump and winning. Just not going to happen. Running 3rd party they may at best claim 1 or 2% ... I don't think enough to make a difference. In the case of Romney I believe he would have to switch parties which means that he would lose his Senate seat.
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Defeating an incumbent president in a primary is really a long shot. Trump managed to fill more seats at one of his rallies than Elton John did. Despite the skewed and weak polling data that shows Trump's popularity waning, I don't see any GOP challenging Trump and winning. Just not going to happen. Running 3rd party they may at best claim 1 or 2% ... I don't think enough to make a difference. In the case of Romney I believe he would have to switch parties which means that he would lose his Senate seat.
All true. But "political rules" have become obsolete these days. Rules only matter if there is someone to enforce them. These days, politicians can do whatever they want to do. Hillary ran and won as Senator of New York having never lived there. Waters lives outside of her district, as do very many other politicians. Sanders is running in the Democrat Party, even though he is not a Democrat. Nobody enforces any rules pertaining to politicians.
Romney could easily run third Party. Some Judge from somewhere would block any attempt to challenge his eligibility. American politics is a cesspool of nepotism and corruption. There are no 'rules' or 'laws' anymore.
Romney (or someone else) could run the easiest campaign in history. Since he is not running to win, but merely to siphon a few points from Trump, it would be cheap, it would be a revenge kind of 'joke', and it would be a cakewalk. All they would have to do is to target the NeverTrumpers who don't want to vote for Trump and 'bingo', Trump loses, the Democrats win, and the NTs in all the chaos that would follow a Democrat President spend the rest of their lives screaming about how "they voted their conscience".
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Going to play this at his rallies?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qHU_6Ofc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qHU_6Ofc0#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz77XHvlYEs#)
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Reminder:
"The New Hampshire primary is the first in a series of nationwide party primary elections and the second party contest (the first being the Iowa Caucuses) held in the United States every four years as part of the process of choosing the delegates to the Democratic and Republican national conventions which choose the party nominees for the presidential elections to be held the subsequent November."
If Joe Walsh announces for president this week-end, expect him to be in New Hampshire and Iowa quickly.
John Kasich is still deciding to run or not, but will be in New Hampshire next week.
Still weighing his options is former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford who visited the Granite State (New Hampshire) last month (July). The longtime Republican lawmaker called the visit another "green light" in his 2020 primary deliberations. "If you look at a state like New Hampshire, there certainly is historic precedent for somebody getting in during this window of time." Mark Sanford said in mid July "he was considering a run for the presidency because he believes 'we’re walking away toward the most predictable financial crisis in the history of man.'â€
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Reminder:
"The New Hampshire primary is the first in a series of nationwide party primary elections and the second party contest (the first being the Iowa Caucuses) held in the United States every four years as part of the process of choosing the delegates to the Democratic and Republican national conventions which choose the party nominees for the presidential elections to be held the subsequent November."
If Joe Walsh announces for president this week-end, expect him to be in New Hampshire and Iowa quickly.
John Kasich is still deciding to run or not, but will be in New Hampshire next week.
Still weighing his options is former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford who visited the Granite State (New Hampshire) last month (July). The longtime Republican lawmaker called the visit another "green light" in his 2020 primary deliberations. "If you look at a state like New Hampshire, there certainly is historic precedent for somebody getting in during this window of time." Mark Sanford said in mid July "he was considering a run for the presidency because he believes 'we’re walking away toward the most predictable financial crisis in the history of man.'â€
I don't see any of those that you mentioned defeating Trump. It's just not going to happen. The only state that Kasich won in the '16 primary was his home state of OH and he was way down in the polls in all other states. Consider also that Sanford was recently defeated. Romney isn't going to give up his Senate seat. Walsh is a talk show host and prior served one term of Congress and was then defeated. So we have candidates that the people have rejected now thinking that they can win the presidency? Trump still has a tremendous base and the $$ machine behind him. IMHO those mentioned are doing more harm to the party than good.
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One of the hardcore NeverTrumpers is going to run third Party against Trump. Romney, Walsh, Kristol, or someone else will run not to win, but simply to sabotage Trump to ensure a Democrat President. The NTs keep saying over and over, until they are blue in the face, that they are NOT Democrats and NOT Liberals. And yet everything they do bolsters the Democrats and Liberals.
So do the President's actions. How's that deficit reduction going again?
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One of the hardcore NeverTrumpers is going to run third Party against Trump. Romney, Walsh, Kristol, or someone else will run not to win, but simply to sabotage Trump to ensure a Democrat President. The NTs keep saying over and over, until they are blue in the face, that they are NOT Democrats and NOT Liberals. And yet everything they do bolsters the Democrats and Liberals.
With friends like these who needs enemies.
None of these people did a darn thing about immigration, trade, defense, or abortion when they had any authority. Yet they act like they are better than Trump, who is doing things about these issues, because they are more "genteel". I don't know about anyone else but I'll take a rough, tough, crude SOB who fights over a bunch of armchair QB's who won't get out of their chairs.
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My Maserati does one-eighty-five...
I lost my license, now I don't drive...
I have a limo, ride in the back,
I lock the doors in case I'm attacked!
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First Bill Weld then Joe Walsh. The pressure builds...
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First Bill Weld then Joe Walsh. The pressure builds...
He'll be lucky to survive!!
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First Bill Weld then Joe Walsh. The pressure builds...
888high58888 :rolling:
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My Maserati does one-eighty-five...
I lost my license, now I don't drive...
I have a limo, ride in the back,
I lock the doors in case I'm attacked!
I was just looking for those lyrics to post!
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How do I get past the vision of the "Chosen One" standing in the Third Temple with all his Temple tax coins?
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My Maserati does one-eighty-five...
I lost my license, now I don't drive...
I have a limo, ride in the back,
I lock the doors in case I'm attacked!
POTUS campaigning...... The Rocky Mountian Way!!!
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How do I get past the vision of the "Chosen One" standing in the Third Temple with all his Temple tax coins?
You go read what he actually said instead of how the news media wants to hear it.
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Going to play this at his rallies?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qHU_6Ofc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qHU_6Ofc0#)
:cool:
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I can't believe that Walsh has any ratings on his Salem Radio show. I view his announcement as a means of trying to get more visibility for his show, nothing more.
He can't run for President while staying on the air, that would be a conflict of interest.
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You go read what he actually said instead of how the news media wants to hear it.
Some people will disbelieve anything he says and blame it on the media. Ears in fingers, screaming at the top of their lungs syndrome.
He's a well-established narcissist, was before he entered politics and still is. This should not surprise anyone. Alas, it does fool a lot of people.
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Some people will disbelieve anything he says and blame it on the media. Ears in fingers, screaming at the top of their lungs syndrome.
He's a well-established narcissist, was before he entered politics and still is. This should not surprise anyone. Alas, it does fool a lot of people.
Not sure what you're trying to say, @jmyrlefuller. Yes, he is a narcissist. And....?
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Defeating an incumbent president in a primary is really a long shot. Trump managed to fill more seats at one of his rallies than Elton John did. Despite the skewed and weak polling data that shows Trump's popularity waning, I don't see any GOP challenging Trump and winning. Just not going to happen. Running 3rd party they may at best claim 1 or 2% ... I don't think enough to make a difference. In the case of Romney I believe he would have to switch parties which means that he would lose his Senate seat.
Then I can only hope that Pence runs as the incumbent.
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I can't believe that Walsh has any ratings on his Salem Radio show. I view his announcement as a means of trying to get more visibility for his show, nothing more.
He can't run for President while staying on the air, that would be a conflict of interest.
I don't know of any law that says he can't.
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Then I can only hope that Pence runs as the incumbent.
Curious as to why? He may be more refined then Trump but the liberal leftist and media will also try to tear him apart and smear his reputation, regardless if he's been the VP or not. Smear tactics and lies are the DEM way and this I believe has kept some really good candidates from running for office. Who wants to go through what they have done to the President, and Kavanaugh, etc.?
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I can't believe that Walsh has any ratings on his Salem Radio show. I view his announcement as a means of trying to get more visibility for his show, nothing more.
He can't run for President while staying on the air, that would be a conflict of interest.
It happens all the time. A lot of small-town mayors have radio shows they host even during campaign season.
The issue instead becomes equal-time rules. If Salem allows him to keep doing his show, they have to offer the same airtime to any other bona fide candidate. Salem signs off and goes to reruns after Walsh's show ends. Most candidates don't have that much free time, so they wouldn't be likely to take the airtime, which would likely be late at night when few people are listening anyway.
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Curious as to why? He may be more refined then Trump but the liberal leftist and media will also try to tear him apart and smear his reputation, regardless if he's been the VP or not. Smear tactics and lies are the DEM way and this I believe has kept some really good candidates from running for office. Who wants to go through what they have done to the President, and Kavanaugh, etc.?
We can't afford another 4 years of President Ivanka.
Plus, as much as I distrust Pence, I doubt he would be ordering companies to find alternatives to China.
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Joe Walsh trying to woo George Conway to join his campaign
by Caitlin Yilek
August 23, 2019 02:45 PM ï‚™
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Conservative radio show host Joe Walsh met with George Conway in an effort to convince the lawyer and husband to White House counselor Kellyanne Conway to join his long-shot primary challenge to President Trump.
Walsh, a former one-term congressman from Illinois, is expected to announce his presidential campaign this weekend.
Walsh met with Conway on Thursday to ask if he would join his campaign in a senior position, the New York Times reported. The lawyer has never worked on a political campaign and did not commit to joining Walsh’s but said he would consider it.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-walsh-trying-to-woo-george-conway-to-join-his-campaign (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-walsh-trying-to-woo-george-conway-to-join-his-campaign)
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Curious as to why? He may be more refined then Trump but the liberal leftist and media will also try to tear him apart and smear his reputation, regardless if he's been the VP or not. Smear tactics and lies are the DEM way and this I believe has kept some really good candidates from running for office. Who wants to go through what they have done to the President, and Kavanaugh, etc.?
That was precisely what the Left does. They knew Kavanaugh would get in, it was a matter of sending a message to anyone else who would dare oppose them. Which is why Trump, whatever faults he may have, gets a pass from me. He's willing to take those arrows and throw them right back at them.
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That was precisely what the Left does. They knew Kavanaugh would get in, it was a matter of sending a message to anyone else who would dare oppose them. Which is why Trump, whatever faults he may have, gets a pass from me. He's willing to take those arrows and throw them right back at them.
Exactly. Trump has the ability to take those arrows and shoot them right back at them. To an extent I am willing to give him a little bit of wiggle room on his failure(s) at the border. However, IF he remotely stomps on the 2A, he will lose my vote. At that point to me, there will be little difference between voting for him and one of the bat crap crazies on the left.
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Exactly. Trump has the ability to take those arrows and shoot them right back at them. To an extent I am willing to give him a little bit of wiggle room on his failure(s) at the border. However, IF he remotely stomps on the 2A, he will lose my vote. At that point to me, there will be little difference between voting for him and one of the bat crap crazies on the left.
Re: the 2A IMO Trump is employing what the Japanese call Mokusatsu - in his case he's killing restrictive legislation with double talk, not silence. Which suits me fine 'cause the media doesn't know how to deal with it.
So far anyway. If I'm wrong I'll be screaming the loudest.
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Re: the 2A IMO Trump is employing what the Japanese call Mokusatsu - in his case he's killing restrictive legislation with double talk, not silence. Which suits me fine 'cause the media doesn't know how to deal with it.
So far anyway. If I'm wrong I'll be screaming the loudest.
Quite frankly I find it unsettling that his supporters keep interpreting what they think he's doing. Meanwhile, NY's red flag laws go into effect this week. FL implemented their version of red flag laws after their mass shootings last year. Also in FL anti-gunners are trying to bring a vote to ballot on banning assault weapons. Shootings keep cropping up and the issue isn't going to go away in silence.
It doesn't help when our President states that he supports red flag laws ... little by little, states are taking his lead. So ... not quite sure how you see it as he is killing legislative action with double talk.
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Quite frankly I find it unsettling that his supporters keep interpreting what they think he's doing. Meanwhile, NY's red flag laws go into effect this week. FL implemented their version of red flag laws after their mass shootings last year. Also in FL anti-gunners are trying to bring a vote to ballot on banning assault weapons. Shootings keep cropping up and the issue isn't going to go away in silence.
It doesn't help when our President states that he supports red flag laws ... little by little, states are taking his lead. So ... not quite sure how you see it as he is killing legislative action with double talk.
I think I might just throw an alternative to Trump in the primary a vote. I think it is the best way for conservatives to voice their protests that his bamblastard type of leadership sucks.
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That was precisely what the Left does. They knew Kavanaugh would get in, it was a matter of sending a message to anyone else who would dare oppose them. Which is why Trump, whatever faults he may have, gets a pass from me. He's willing to take those arrows and throw them right back at them.
An incidental and unimportant 'talent'...
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I think I might just throw an alternative to Trump in the primary a vote. I think it is the best way for conservatives to voice their protests that his bamblastard type of leadership sucks.
I will certainly look at the guy... Don't know him from a hole in the ground...
but the point is the principles... And coming from an Illini, principles are not likely to arise.
I will look at him all the same... Hope does spring eternal.
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I think I might just throw an alternative to Trump in the primary a vote. I think it is the best way for conservatives to voice their protests that his bamblastard type of leadership sucks.
So far there isn't a viable candidate on the GOP side running against him that has a snowball's chance of winning. Trump has several things against him going into the 2020 election right now; talk of trampling the 2a, rising debt, possibility of a recession, and no border wall. He is failing on most of the promises he's made. He does though have some time to turn things around, but I question whether or not he is able to do so.
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So far there isn't a viable candidate on the GOP side running against him that has a snowball's chance of winning.
Only because the cult of partisan politics, the same cancer that Trump's supporters were supposed to be against, makes it impossible for any person to run against an incumbent in his own party, no matter how much that challenge is needed.
When was the last time an incumbent saw a real challenge? 1980 with Ted Kennedy? When was the last time an incumbent was ousted in a primary? Ever? I vaguely recall maybe the 1850s, but it's been a ridiculously long time.
It's disgusting. Three years ago we were all warning y'all about Trump and his narcissistic, erratic behavior... but now that he's the incumbent, we have an unhinged liberal Republican waiting to go total fascist once he's a lame duck, against flat-out socialists. A no-win scenario. And the conservatives like Walsh and Amash, who we once cheered as the conscience of the party, are now persona non grata when that conscience calls out Trump's liberalism.
"No one can win," they tell us. Well, that's YOUR FAULT for blindly supporting bad incumbents! If we're going to follow Duverger's Law and maintain the two-party system, we have to make sure that we actually have good choices. 2016 left us with two horrible choices. Let's not make that mistake again!
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@jmyrlefuller Ever played "King of the Hill" as a kid? Job #1 when you reach the summit is kick everybody else off.
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We can't afford another 4 years of President Ivanka.
Plus, as much as I distrust Pence, I doubt he would be ordering companies to find alternatives to China.
Well just go and tell it like it is why don't you. But they can't handle the truth that Trump is just Buffoon in Chief who does nothing without Ivanka's approval.
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Look at the meter being used to measure "absolutely unfit". Obviously, the nutcase Walsh considers his own 'clown' persona to be what he determines to be 'fit'. Furthermore, he is trying to recruit the lunatic creep Conway, to run with him.
I take Walsh calling someone/anyone 'unfit', the same way I would take it is Charles Manson said the same thing.
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@jmyrlefuller Ever played "King of the Hill" as a kid? Job #1 when you reach the summit is kick everybody else off.
This ain't childhood games. It's leadership of the country we're talking about.
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This ain't childhood games. It's leadership of the country we're talking about.
The principle's the same. Someone in power is not going to eschew any legal means necessary to keep others out. "Grow up" is an ineffective epithet to prevent this.