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Title: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offered to
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 03:37:19 pm
Insanity.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-healthcare-cheaper-congresswoman-than-waitress-2018-12 (https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-healthcare-cheaper-congresswoman-than-waitress-2018-12)

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Congresswoman-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said she had to pay more than twice as much for healthcare as a waitress compared with what she will pay as a congresswoman.

Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, said her healthcare options as a member of Congress were far more affordable compared with those she had when she was working as a waitress, and earning less money, in New York City.

"As a waitress, I had to pay more than TWICE what I'd pay as a member of Congress," she wrote.

Read more: Meet Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the millennial, socialist political novice who's now the youngest woman ever elected to Congress

Ocasio-Cortez worked as a waitress and bartender to supplement her mother's income after graduating from college.

She also called for an extension of government Medicare coverage to every American.

"It's frustrating that Congress members would deny other people affordability that they themselves enjoy. Time for #MedicareForAll."
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: XenaLee on December 10, 2018, 04:05:46 pm
Ah....America.

Land of the freebies (courtesy of Big Government), home of the slave (slave to Big Government).

Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: txradioguy on December 10, 2018, 04:27:51 pm
Insanity.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-healthcare-cheaper-congresswoman-than-waitress-2018-12 (https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-healthcare-cheaper-congresswoman-than-waitress-2018-12)

Insanity...but not for the reasons you think.

The healthcare she had to pay so much for was Obamacare.  The healthcare you think we all need to have.  EVERYONE say their premiums increase to insanely high levels just to be "covered" and to find out they couldn't actually get real "care" when they needed it.

She will pay less as a Congress Critter because the Progressives voted themselves out of having to be required to sign up for Obamacare for themselves and their family and they got to keep their "Cadillac" policies.

This is the Progressive left in a nutshell.  This is why all your pie in the sky utopian wishes will never happen and why they shouldn't.

Because the people in power...the experts you say we should listen to on everything no matter what it is...will never...EVER...craft rules regulations or taxes in such a way that it directly affects them.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 05:25:15 pm
@txradioguy  Ever get the feeling you are talking to a wall endowed with the arrogant belief only he/she has the brains? 
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 05:30:09 pm
The healthcare you think we all need to have.

Obamacare is not the healthcare I think we need to have.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 05:39:34 pm
Obamacare is not the healthcare I think we need to have.

Really?  You seem pretty hot on healthcare provided by the government. 
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: txradioguy on December 10, 2018, 05:39:49 pm
@txradioguy  Ever get the feeling you are talking to a wall endowed with the arrogant belief only he/she has the brains?

@Cyber Liberty all the damn time.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: txradioguy on December 10, 2018, 05:41:12 pm
Obamacare is not the healthcare I think we need to have.

What you actually deep down inside want is far worse...but you do defend Obamacare and don't understand why so many people are oppsoed to it.

So yes...you do think we need to have Obamacare so we can be more like Europe.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 05:41:59 pm
@Cyber Liberty all the damn time.

Dittos.  Sometimes makes me wish I was still at work.  At least the Scientists there respected my efforts.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 05:44:35 pm
you do defend Obamacare

I have never defended Obamacare.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: txradioguy on December 10, 2018, 05:50:35 pm
I have never defended Obamacare.

Right so that whole thread where you defended socialized government controlled healthcare was just a fantasy?  We dreamed it?

Or did you forget all the cut and paste trope you posted in that debacle?

Obamacare IS government run healthcare.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 05:52:52 pm
Obamacare IS government run healthcare.

Obamacare and the mandate were a gift to insurance companies. That is not how I think healthcare should be done.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 06:02:16 pm
Right so that whole thread where you defended socialized government controlled healthcare was just a fantasy?  We dreamed it?

Or did you forget all the cut and paste trope you posted in that debacle?

Obamacare IS government run healthcare.

I think he's playing with words here.  He says he didn't support Obastardcare, and it is obvious that's because Obastard care didn't go far enough to shove leftist government healthcare down our throats.  Look at the comment about a "gift to Insurance companies."
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: txradioguy on December 10, 2018, 06:09:59 pm
I think he's playing with words here.  He says he didn't support Obastardcare, and it is obvious that's because Obastard care didn't go far enough to shove leftist government healthcare down our throats.  Look at the comment about a "gift to Insurance companies."

The word for what he's doing is called dissemble.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 06:15:28 pm
The word for what he's doing is called dissemble.

I don't think I'm being dishonest or unclear about my beliefs. We have had long discussions about it.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: txradioguy on December 10, 2018, 06:18:08 pm
I don't think I've been dishonest or unclear about my beliefs.

Unless of course you get cornered by facts and reality...then you do your best to move goal posts and try to deny what you've said in the past.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
Unless of course you get cornered by facts and reality...then you do your best to move goal posts and try to deny what you've said in the past.

If you go through my post history you will probably find a number of posts criticizing Obamacare. I don't think you'll find any in support of it. Details are important. I am not a fan of Obama at all.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 06:29:22 pm
I don't think I'm being dishonest or unclear about my beliefs. We have had long discussions about it.

You have made it clear you want European style Socialism in the US.  You do prevaricate quite a bit with posts like "Obamacare was a gift to Insurance companies."  When we take your posts in context, that means "Obamacare didn't go far enough to yoke the citizens."  Then you claim the mantle of conservatism to pretend you belong here.

You are not the only one who does that.  We've seen your kind before.

That we've had long "discussions" with you is true, and we gleaned more information about you than you think.  I put "discussions" in scare quotes because they are not discussions, they are you lecturing us, then telling us what's wrong with us Neanderthals when we don't nod our heads in agreement.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 06:36:55 pm
You have made it clear you want European style Socialism in the US.  You do prevaricate quite a bit with posts like "Obamacare was a gift to Insurance companies."  When we take your posts in context, that means "Obamacare didn't go far enough to yoke the citizens."

Are the Scandinavian countries socialist or not?

Then you claim the mantle of conservatism to pretend you belong here.

I am conservative on some issues. I've never pretended to be far right or even a Republican. This is a place for open discussion, no? I'm not aware of any rules that mandate that this forum be an echo chamber.

That we've had long "discussions" with you is true, and we gleaned more information about you than you think.  I put "discussions" in scare quotes because they are not discussions, they are you lecturing us, then telling us what's wrong with us Neanderthals when we don't nod our heads in agreement.

I think I'm right about the things that I believe and I attempt to explain to you why I think I'm right. You do the same thing.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 06:47:09 pm
Are the Scandinavian countries socialist or not?

We've had this discussion, and we don't agree.  You ignorantly claim they are "Capitalist" when they are clearly not.

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I am conservative on some issues. I've never pretended to be far right or even a Republican. This is a place for open discussion, no? I'm not aware of any rules that mandate that this forum be an echo chamber.

This is not to be an echo chamber.  That you have not been permanently banned is a testament to this principle of TBR.

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I think I'm right about the things that I believe and I attempt to explain to you why I think I'm right. You do the same thing.

The difference is, you have no  respect for what others say to you here.  It's because you think you are far, far more intelligent than us serfs.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Dexter on December 10, 2018, 07:01:32 pm
The difference is, you have no  respect for what others say to you here.  It's because you think you are far, far more intelligent than us serfs.

My view of the world has changed more than a little bit thanks to what conservatives have said to me. That wouldn't have happened if I had no respect for what they say. Deciding I don't agree with you is not disrespectful in my opinion. I really do try not to offend people here.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2018, 07:10:35 pm
My view of the world has changed more than a little bit thanks to what conservatives have said to me. That wouldn't have happened if I had no respect for what they say. Deciding I don't agree with you is not disrespectful in my opinion. I really do try not to offend people here.

I'm glad to hear the first part of that, I really am.  The disrespect is when you respond to folks  by simply repeating yourself.  It gives the impression that you should not have to explain in better detail.  I may not answer you often, but I read what you write a lot.

Hang in there.
Title: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says her healthcare as a waitress cost double the price of plans offere
Post by: Wingnut on December 10, 2018, 08:32:35 pm
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