Never heard of her.It's not like she's the first.
And why wait almost 30 years to bring it up?
It's not like she's the first.
@txradioguy
I never heard of her either. She must not be all that famous.
And I will treat her story like the claims against Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh. Where's the proof and was there a crime committed? If there is no proof and no crime, then STFU and go away, lady.
I suspect that she will soon remember that a young man named Brett Kavanaugh was there too.... right around the punch bowl outside the dressing room..... yeah, that's the ticket....
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Seems she claims to have also been assaulted by Les Moonves, the one-time chief of CBS. Sounds to me like she is a serial accuser. If she can't get money, fame or whatever by accusing one guy, she will accuse one or more others.She must be irresistible. :shrug:
Is that her today?
The years were not kind.
Seems she claims to have also been assaulted by Les Moonves, the one-time chief of CBS. Sounds to me like she is a serial accuser. If she can't get money, fame or whatever by accusing one guy, she will accuse one or more others.Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?
Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?
This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?
Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?
This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.
Gosh dern it dude. I read most of your posts and sometimes, like now, I believe you are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.
I suspect that she will soon remember that a young man named Brett Kavanaugh was there too.... right around the punch bowl outside the dressing room..... yeah, that's the ticket....
My first rich boy pulled down my underpants. My last rich boy pulled down my tights. My first rich boy — I had fixed my eyes on his face long enough to know — was beautiful, with dark gray eyes and long golden-brown hair across his forehead. I don’t know what he grew up to be. My last rich boy was blond. He grew up to be the president of the United States.
The first rich boy’s name was James. He was raped by his grandfather. He was raped by his uncles. He was beaten by his father. My mother told me the stories much later. When James was 6, he was taken away from his father and given to a rich couple, Arthur and Evelyn. Arthur and Evelyn were best friends with my parents, Tom and Betty. One day my parents gave a party. Everyone brought their kids. Arthur and Evelyn drove up from Indianapolis with James to the redbrick schoolhouse where we lived, deep in the hills north of Fort Wayne. As the parents drank cocktails in our big yard with the scent of the blooming wads of cash infusing every inch of Indiana just after WWII, the kids played up on the hill beside the schoolhouse.
James was 7 and a half or 8, a bloodthirsty, beautiful, relentless boy. He ordered everyone around, even the older kids. To me he said, “I’m going to shove this up you again.â€
We’d played this game before. Our families had gone on a camping trip to Pokagon State Park, and I learned that an object could be shoved up the place where I tinkled. I don’t remember now what it was, probably a stick, or maybe a rock. It felt like being cut with a knife. I remember I bled.
“I don’t want to,†I said.
We were standing on the hill. James looked at me with his feral gray eyes.
He wadded up a piece of fabric — it was a light blue-violet shade and looked fluffy, like a bunched-up hairnet
“Put this in your underpants,†he said.
He pulled up my dress and crammed the balled-up material down my pants. Late at night, when the guests had gone home, I took off my dress, pulled down my pants. And there it still was, the wadded-up thing.
James and I played so many ferocious games while camping that summer: hooking each other with fishhooks, holding each other underwater, tying each other up, shooting each other with cap guns, chasing each other with garter snakes, dumping hot embers on each other’s heads. I am not putting him on the Most Hideous Men of My Life List — whether he belongs there is for him to decide. It is his uncles, his father, his grandfather who belong on such a list.
Now, about this Most Hideous Men of My Life List: It is a list of the 21 most revolting scoundrels I have ever met. I started it in October 2017, the day Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey published their Harvey Weinstein bombshells in the New York Times. As the riotous, sickening stories of #MeToo surged across the country, I, like many women, could not help but be reminded of certain men in my own life. When I began, I was not sure which among all the foul harassers, molesters, traducers, swindlers, stranglers, and no-goods I’ve known were going to make the final accounting. I considered Matt Lauer, Bill O’Reilly, and the giant dingleberry Charlie Rose, all guys whose TV shows I was on many times and who made headlines during the rise of #MeToo. But in the end, they do not make my Hideous List.
Hunter S. Thompson … now, there’s a good candidate. I know. I wrote his biography. Does Hunter, the greatest degenerate of his generation, who kept yelling, “Off with your pants!†as he sliced the leggings from my body with a long knife in his hot tub, make the list? Naw.
And if having my pants hacked off by a man lit to the eyebrows with acid, Chivas Regal, Champagne, grass, Chartreuse, Dunhills, cocaine, and Dove Bars does not make the list — because to me there is a big difference between an “adventure†and an “attack†— who, in God’s name, does make my Hideous List?
After almost two years of drawing and redrawing my list, I’ve come to realize that, though my hideosity bar is high, my criteria are a little cockeyed. It is a gut call. I am like Justice Potter Stewart. I just know a hideous man when I see one. And I have seen plenty. For 26 years, I have been writing the “Ask E. Jean†column in Elle, and for 26 years, no matter what problems are driving women crazy — their careers, wardrobes, love affairs, children, orgasms, finances — there comes a line in almost every letter when the cause of the correspondent’s quagmire is revealed. And that cause is men.
More: https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html (https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html)
The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.
I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me. It turns into a colossal struggle. I am wearing a pair of sturdy black patent-leather four-inch Barneys high heels, which puts my height around six-one, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand — for some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other — and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out and off and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room.
Like it was leading up to the 2016 election, expect more of these accusers to crawl out from rocks.
Like it was leading up to the 2016 election, expect more of these accusers to crawl out from rocks.
Excerpt from her upcoming book:
Spot on @NavyCanDo It is coming....Every Day and in Every way.
Do the democommies really think round two will go any better than round one?
She sounds quite disturbed and maybe delusional about her attractiveness.
Never heard of her.
And why wait almost 30 years to bring it up?
Trump denies new sexual assault allegation: 'I've never met this person in my life'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449793-trump-pushes-back-on-latest-allegation-of-sexual-assault
Only problem with that claim is there is a picture of him in 1987 talking with her and her then husband.I quite sure President Brain Damage doesn't remember ALL the women he rapes.
Only problem with that claim is there is a picture of him in 1987 talking with her and her then husband.
I quite sure President
Well Trump had pictures take with every up and comer back them. The SOB's face was all over the NY papers back then....What is your point?
It wasn't a grip and grin type of picture.
I quite sure President Brain Damage doesn't remember ALL the women he rapes.
What does that mean. Never heard that before.
Can you name one with the veracity of Juanita Broaddrick?
Staged photo.
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Thanks. @txradioguy
She was the one who accused Clinton of rape 22 years after the fact and after signing a sworn statement saying it didn't happen. no
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Okay I reread that. I have to say from my life experience that is bullshit. Does anyone know how hard it is to have stand up sex with a willing partner much less an unwilling one?? Well I do know it is a f'n workout involving some contortions and heavy lifting. Not to mention someone one the receiving end to take that hump. She said 3 minutes? Bullshit.
That's what I thought. You're trolling.You're oblivious to sarcasm
Exactly, a very implausible account.
You're oblivious to sarcasm
That's what I thought. You're trolling.
She sounds like (another) typical leftie loon to me. At that time, Trump was married to Marla... who, by comparison, makes Carroll look like a mutt.
Also, why did she go into the dressing rooms (supposedly)? Story stinks. As per usual when leftists accuse their opposition of things that can never be disproven. Leftie desperation is growing.
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Okay I reread that. I have to say from my life experience that is bullshit. Does anyone know how hard it is to have stand up sex with a willing partner much less an unwilling one?? Well I do know it is a f'n workout involving some contortions and heavy lifting. Not to mention someone one the receiving end to take that hump. She said 3 minutes? Bullshit.
...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!
I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!
You're oblivious to sarcasm
Also, why did she go into the dressing rooms (supposedly)?She didn't know Trump lacked impulse control.
No, it's hard to tell with you. Sarcastic people usually let on they are sarcastic. IOW, you aren't any good at it.There are worse character flaws. Knee-jerk defending a rapist to own the libs comes to mind.
She didn't know Trump lacked impulse control.
Bullshit.
She's a wacko. And quite probably (since she's a leftie) a deliberate liar, as well.
I would love for someone to come forward... now... and prove that she lied about this (see below) too:
On June 21, 2019, Carroll alleged in a first-person essay in New York that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996 in a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York City.[19][20] In the essay Carroll said, “I have never had sex with anybody againâ€.[21] The essay was published as part of an excerpt of Carroll's book What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, which is being published on July 2, 2019. The White House denied the allegation.[19] Carroll also alleged that in the 1990s, media executive Les Moonves had assaulted her as well.[19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll#cite_note-21
There are worse character flaws. Knee-jerk defending a rapist to own the libs comes to mind.
No, it's hard to tell with you. Sarcastic people usually let on they are sarcastic. IOW, you aren't any good at it.
Pretty sad when you can't get anyone to come back for seconds.
You are painting a lot of non-knee-jerk people with your brush. I suggest you give it a rest.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9nwVWqXoAApLi6.jpg)
...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!
I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?
Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?
This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.
A billionaire walks around in a department store? SUPER MODELS THROW themselves on him, & he would go for this woman?
FICTION WRITING AGAIN by the LEFT.
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Well, if this was a sexual assault -- you should know that rape has nothing to do with age or looks. Usually, it's about a man exercising power over a woman -- any woman or even young girls or elderly women. An attacker doesn't care.
But that's not the part that makes me suspicious of Miss Carroll's account. Like the assertions against Justice Kavanaugh or even Roy Moore, there is no real evidence that an assault occurred and there were no criminal charges -- for an assault that allegedly occurred decades ago. .
Can you name one with the veracity of Juanita Broaddrick?
Everything you posted is LEFT, LYING. TALKING POINTS. This is another BRETT KAVANAUGH.....attack. President TRUMP just announced his re-election. She is a Lesbian. Quote by her: "what do we need men for"?
More VIRTUE SIGNALING by you. Give it up. No one will be MOTHER TERESA....that will get elected for president.
How about, we stay in reality ? DOUBLE STANDARDS. You must hate congress in DC who use a madame. Bill & Hillary go BOTH WAYS. GAY. Bill has a child with black prostitute, DANNY WILLIAMS. Hillary caught in hotel room with black female prostitute. Hillary raped Cathy O'brien. Bill has 15 more women of record, saying he raped them. Not counting paid off Jones or Flowers. Obama..married to trannie...the bio parents of his kids are DR. ANITA BLANCHARD & Martin Nesbitt. Obama born in Kenya, fraud, con artist. Then gay male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smokes, does pot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC? Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.
You need video of bouncing b@lls of Manchelle? My president does NOT drink any alcohol..ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink coffee. You want to impugn him? Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated.
Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny.
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?
Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?
This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.
I quite sure President Brain Damage doesn't remember ALL the women he rapes.
And... yet another accusation where the alleged victim can't remember which season (or on which date) the alleged assault occurred. Convenient.
...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!
I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!
Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE? There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures. <Nope>
You are so jealous. Projecting again. How dare you post the above!
Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE? There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures. <Nope>
You are so jealous. Projecting again. How dare you post the above!
Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE? There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures. <Nope>
You are so jealous. Projecting again. How dare you post the above!
Ah, but this one, like the Ford chippy in the Kavanaugh case, told some people Trump assaulted her.
Wonder if those people Carroll supposedly told will deny being advised of the alleged assault or say they don't remember being told - just like Ford. LOL
No comment. I just want the other Trump fans to get another chance to see who their allies are. Hail Victory Proud Boy.
If you are raped women, scream it loud and clear from the rooftops... cause it needs broadcast where good people can come to your rescue.... should be one of the first things a mother teachers her young daughter when they are old enough to understand it. I raised boys and made sure they fully understand I would disown any of them if they did anything remotely like this.
Just because you're a fan of the truth (reality, logic, etc.)... does that automatically make one a "Trump fan" in your eyes? Just wondering...Being a fan of Trump makes one a fan of Trump. It has nothing to do with truth, reality, or logic.
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Is it too early to discuss your favorite PIE?
When I was a single woman, young, a lot of what women call "rape'..was called dating back then. ATTEMPTS...DO NOT COUNT!
Being a fan of Trump makes one a fan of Trump. It has nothing to do with truth, reality, or logic.
Trouble is, when women come out with phony baloney allegations of rape or even "inappropriate behavior" -- whatever the hell that is -- it makes it much more difficult for real victims of rape to come forward, file charges and actually be believed. This whole MeToo nonsense, I think, has done more harm than good for real victims.
Nice dodge. Says a lot. Thanks.Not the answer you wanted. tough.
Not the answer you wanted. tough.
Yeah, they do. It’s called attempted rape.
I said.when I was young woman and single. it was called, DATING! I don't care what they call it now. Attempted means nothing. THAT IS THE GOAL OF EVERY MAN...ON A DATE. Attempt to get her into bed. Have sex with her. Any man says no, is a liar. Only talking about heterosexual men & women. TWO GENDERS.
Speaking of talking points and virtue signaling...
Being a fan of Trump makes one a fan of Trump. It has nothing to do with truth, reality, or logic.
If I were a "fan of Trump" I'd be insulted...good thing I'm not.
Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?
Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?Actually you are a 'fan' of Trump whether you know it or not.
Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?
Actually you are a 'fan' of Trump whether you know it or not.
The NeverTrump/Liberal definition of a Trump fan is anyone who does not want to see him and his entire family tortured and executed.
From their perspective, almost everybody on this board is a 'Trump fan'.
In Hollywood, which is the Munich Brown House for Liberalism, so many people have been fired or had their careers destroyed not for supporting Trump, but for simply refusing to condemn him strongly enough to satisfy the Liberal Overlords there.
When I was a single woman, young, a lot of what women call "rape'..was called dating back then. ATTEMPTS...DO NOT COUNT!Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.
Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.
Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.
You have lost your mind. I am talking about what it was like, when I was YOUNG, AND DATING. I AM A SENIOR NOW.
MEN ATTEMPTING TO BE AMOROUS WITH WOMEN..IS SEXUAL ASSAULT? I AM NOT A SHILL. I am not advocating anything. I am telling you what it was like when I was young. IT WAS CALLED DATING.
You have lost your mind. I am talking about what it was like, when I was YOUNG, AND DATING. I AM A SENIOR NOW.
MEN ATTEMPTING TO BE AMOROUS WITH WOMEN..IS SEXUAL ASSAULT? I AM NOT A SHILL. I am not advocating anything. I am telling you what it was like when I was young. IT WAS CALLED DATING.
Now I understand. Trump was just "dating" her by pushing her against the wall, ripping her panties off, and stuffing his mushroom in her. I wonder why she struggled and ran away from their first date?
I wonder why she can't seem to recall the exact date .... or year... in which this supposedly occurred.
You are apparently much more gullible than I previously suspected. happy77
Why does a man who has had 19+ sexual assault accusations levied against him get the benefit of the doubt?
To be fair and consistent, PROOF.
Exactly. Trump has a verifiable history of being a prolific liar.
Why would I take his word at anything, much less over the word of more than 19 women? Are they all prolific liars?
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak
We are grown-ups here and we know the human body has certain parts for reproduction. No rape happened - consider the physics of it: let's set the stage:
She says he was dressed in a business suit, plus had on an overcoat. She had a coat on, too. She went into a dressing room with him to try on a piece of see-through lingerie. That in itself is pretty dumb - she was going to undress and try on this while he was in there with her?
The physics problem:
He is holding her against the wall while she is trying to get away. While he has her pinned against the wall, he manages to, at the same time, push away his coat, unzip his pants, take his penis out from his shorts, bring it to the outside, while still keeping her pinned against the wall, get through her coat, pull down her tights, and insert his penis in her.
The above could not happen unless she was still, letting him do that, agreeing to do it. She is totally dumb to write it that way, expecting people to believe that.
@FeelNoPain
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm not defending Trump. I am, however, questioning the veracity of this woman's story. Just because Trump is a known and admitted womanizer does not automatically mean that this story is true.
I used to work for lawyers, principally in defending civil litigation. In civil cases as well as criminal, a party just can't make a claim against someone and expect the court to take his or her word for it. The claimant needs proof. Now Miss Carroll is not taking Trump to court, but she is making a claim and after having worked for lawyers for so long, I find I just can't believe a claim like this without something to back it up.
It appears that Miss Carroll has nothing to support her claim. No witnesses. No physical evidence. Not even a criminal complaint filed. Oh, she says she told some friends at the time the incident allegedly occurred. But telling one's friends does not constitute evidence. Those friends can only say she told them; they were not present to actually witness the alleged incident.
This claim is much like the ones brought against Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh. I really didn't know Kavanaugh and I wasn't a fan of Moore, but I still had to question those flimsy claims made against them. I sure as hell don't like Trump, but I will do the same for him. There is a paternity suit pending against Biden's son. I don't support Biden or any Democrat, but I'm not going to believe that claim either unless the plaintiff provides evidence sufficient to win her case (or to effect a settlement). To me, this is the right thing to do.
Hope the above clarifies things a little.
I know he's a prolific liar. And I know he is a cad.Understood. We all make our own judgments.
But accusations require PROOF.
Understood. We all make our own judgments.
For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.
A narcissistic man being on tape admitting to not having sovereignty over his predatory sexual urges ("You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the p---y. You can do anything.) is proof to me.
I'm sure if Ivanka or Tiffany told POTUS about a man taking such liberties with one of them, he would believe them immediately without requiring further proof. Yet, we're supposed to believe all these women are lying. It defies credulity.
Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak
We are grown-ups here and we know the human body has certain parts for reproduction. No rape happened - consider the physics of it: let's set the stage:
She says he was dressed in a business suit, plus had on an overcoat. She had a coat on, too. She went into a dressing room with him to try on a piece of see-through lingerie. That in itself is pretty dumb - she was going to undress and try on this while he was in there with her?
The physics problem:
He is holding her against the wall while she is trying to get away. While he has her pinned against the wall, he manages to, at the same time, push away his coat, unzip his pants, take his penis out from his shorts, bring it to the outside, while still keeping her pinned against the wall, get through her coat, pull down her tights, and insert his penis in her.
The above could not happen unless she was still, letting him do that, agreeing to do it. She is totally dumb to write it that way, expecting people to believe that.
Exactly. Trump has a verifiable history of being a prolific liar.
Why would I take his word at anything, much less over the word of more than 19 women? Are they all prolific liars?
I totally agree.
Add to that.... a billionaire playboy, used to being around models and pageant contestants... going to all that trouble .... over someone like Carroll.... in a public place? Nah. She has illusions of grandeur (everybody wants or lusts after her)... like a typical leftie.
Bottom line... lefties lie. All the damned time. And they don't even really need a motive. It's just how they roll.
Um... if you have never heard of politically motivated accusations in or (especially) approaching an election year....
and if you are ignorant of past history of these exact same type of accusations having worked splendidly (See: Herman Cain, for one. Attempted against Kavanaugh) due to stuckonstupid folks that are either just that naive or that want to believe the lies....
then I don't know what to tell ya.
Bottom line... lefties lie. All the damned time. And they don't even really need a motive. It's just how they roll.
So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.
And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?
So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.
And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?
This is about peeling off a bit more of the female vote. Just like the constant (and just as ludicrous) accusations of racism are intended to peel off a few more percentage points of the minority vote.
Its rat political strategy. That should be obvious to even the most dense among us by now.
Understood. We all make our own judgments.
For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.
A narcissistic man being on tape admitting to not having sovereignty over his predatory sexual urges ("You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the p---y. You can do anything.) is proof to me.
I'm sure if Ivanka or Tiffany told POTUS about a man taking such liberties with one of them, he would believe them immediately without requiring further proof. Yet, we're supposed to believe all these women are lying. It defies credulity.
Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.
It's another facet of their usual tactics.... ie throwing enough crap against the wall and hoping some of it sticks... enough to throw a shadow of doubt and cloud over the targeted Republican's candidacy that will cause voters to NOT vote for them. As for that "dense" factor.... I suspect most of it is sheer hatred of Trump. They've lost their ability to reason because of it. (my guess)
I said.when I was young woman and single. it was called, DATING! I don't care what they call it now. Attempted means nothing. THAT IS THE GOAL OF EVERY MAN...ON A DATE. Attempt to get her into bed. Have sex with her. Any man says no, is a liar. Only talking about heterosexual men & women. TWO GENDERS.
Rats gave up running on the actual issues years ago.
Grab'em by the _____.
But it will be greeted with yawns, victim shaming and the usual pooh-poohs from the Sycophant Caucus who I apparently can no longer mention by name. You know who you are, shills.
It's not like she's the first.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9mTZIiWwAEhk6K.jpg)
Is that what his problem is?
I couldn't figure out why the 100% bitterness all of the time....
:shrug:
Let's face it: Sexual allegations are the conservatives' political Kryptonite --- and the script writing is becoming more and more vile ---- because each must outdo the one before.
So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.
And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?
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E. Jean Carroll tells @Lawrence that she will not seek rape charges against Donald Trump because it would be "disrespectful" to women at the boarder "who are being raped around the clock"
Video at link: https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1142267665081425920
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Don't turn this thread into personal attacks and insults....this can be discussed without them...
E. Jean Carroll tells @Lawrence that she will not seek rape charges against Donald Trump because it would be "disrespectful" to women at the boarder "who are being raped around the clock"
For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me. For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.
In other words, she won’t because she knows they aren’t true.
Understood. We all make our own judgments.
For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.
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Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.
@FeelNoPain
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.
Anyone can accuse, with any sort of motive.
That is why accusations require proof. PERIOD.
And that I have to rise to defend this scurrilous bastard is beyond damn ugly. *****rollingeyes*****
@Right_in_Virginia
AND because she has already used it to hype up her upcoming book sales,so there is nothing more to be gained.
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Don't turn this thread into personal attacks and insults....this can be discussed without them...
Still wrapping my mind around "famed." :pondering:
@FeelNoPain
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.
Anyone can accuse, with any sort of motive.
That is why accusations require proof. PERIOD.
And that I have to rise to defend this scurrilous bastard is beyond damn ugly. *****rollingeyes*****
Still wrapping my mind around "famed." :pondering:
This is why I like Pence so much. Impeccable reputation. He won't even meet privately with another women.
Versus Trump and Clinton who have an endless trail of Bimbo eruptions as time passes.
You're counting on that to save him? Really? You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment. These shrews on the left need no justification or basis in reality for making their scurrilous accusations against anyone on the right. JS...
That is why we don't appreciate being called "fans of Trump"... just because we are and always have been "fans of Truth". Right? lol
The things said about Trump, "Trump is a racist", "Trump is a narcissist", "Trump is a warmonger", "Trump is a liar"... it's crying wolf too often.What would it take, then? It seems you wouldn't put much importance in anything that discredits Donald Trump.
Males, even in this forum, have said outrageous things. I don't put much importance on a privately recorded conversation.
Yes true, but I am pretty sure that any wild accusation against Pence will teflon off. Enough of the media, and public at large undertand Pence, and any wild accusation will laughed off as not credible.
DJT OTOH, :thud:
CNN anchor to E. Jean Carroll: 'Could there be any DNA' from Trump on dress?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-anchor-to-e-jean-carroll-could-there-be-any-dna-from-trump-on-dress (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-anchor-to-e-jean-carroll-could-there-be-any-dna-from-trump-on-dress)
This story is so fishy Red Lobster is thinking of putting it on the menu.
Look, she was fifty-two when the supposed “attack†took place. At that time, the mid-nineties, Donald Trump was chasing after gorgeous young women. I’m sure the second Trump saw this middle aged, frumpy, librarian-type woman, he lost all control and just threw her against the changing room wall. *****rollingeyes*****
By the way, none of the employees working at Bergdorf Goodman at the time ever recalled seeing Donald Trump come in to that store. The Donald, who was so big in the media at the time, making an appearance would have stood out in anyone’s memory. She a desperate author looking for attention in advance of her book release.
It is a pretty grim comment on our society that she can come out with a farcical tale like this, clearly coupled with her new book's debut, and is taken seriously by most of the media....
:shrug:
It is a pretty grim comment on our society that she can come out with a farcical tale like this, clearly coupled with her new book's debut, and is taken seriously by most of the media....
:shrug:
:amen: and some continue to fall for this BS hook, line, and sinker!
'She's not my type': Trump denies E. Jean Carroll's rape allegations
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shes-not-my-type-trump-denies-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegations (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shes-not-my-type-trump-denies-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegations)
OFFS...that's the absolute wrong thing to say. **nononono*
Why are we still talking about this 75 year old with a dusty and unused vagina who made up a story about something that never happened to her 52 year old dried up vagina?
Good grief.
If you’re with a 52 year old woman and she’s dried up, that’s your fault.
Really wish Trump would just say nothing. His supporters don't believe this woman's story. Even a number of us non-fans don't believe her claim. And as she makes the rounds of talk shows saying stupid stuff, I suspect she and her bogus claim will be forgotten very soon. The more Trump responds to this nonsense, the more he says things that make him look bad. Let her do the talking.That has been Trump's curse since day one. He simply does not know when to shut the hell up. In his first year, countless no-name comedians and D-list level actors were tweeting pure crap with the specific goal of irritating Trump. They were praying to God that he would respond to them just for the free publicity. And many times he did?
I wonder if this woman knows or cares how much irreparable damage she is doing to all women with this obvious publicity stunt to sell books.The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Trump himself is behind this to delegitimize the women who he actually assaulted. He always was of the "any publicity is good publicity" camp and is known to have taken some weird maneuvers to hide his sexual activity, such as the Cohen payoffs.
The #MeToo movement is going to be derailed because of her. Just so possibly she can make a few extra dollars. That is despicable beyond words.
Yea, sure, and Trump raped me too in 1975. Why not?
I wonder if this woman knows or cares how much irreparable damage she is doing to all women with this obvious publicity stunt to sell books.
The #MeToo movement is going to be derailed because of her. Just so possibly she can make a few extra dollars. That is despicable beyond words.
That has been Trump's curse since day one. He simply does not know when to shut the hell up. In his first year, countless no-name comedians and D-list level actors were tweeting pure crap with the specific goal of irritating Trump. They were praying to God that he would respond to them just for the free publicity. And many times he did?Unless he responded and I didn't hear about it, but I believe Trump said nothing when Marshall Mathers aka Eminem tried to rile him up. For some reason Trump never said anything....which was the best thing. I'm sure Eminem was trying to provoke him to boost sagging record sales.
It may Bush backlash? Bush never responded to anything at all no matter what. So, now Trump responds to everything no matter how ridiculous. Many of us here have said that Trump should filter his tweets through his communication team. But he refuses, and we all see the results of Trumps refusal to rein himself in and let professional people help him.
Unless he responded and I didn't hear about it, but I believe Trump said nothing when Marshall Mathers aka Eminem tried to rile him up. For some reason Trump never said anything....which was the best thing. I'm sure Eminem was trying to provoke him to boost sagging record sales.
But I agree....Trump should quit responding to the ankle biters. Let them drift away into obscurity.
He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Example: if he said something flip like "Nice try, no ceegar"... they'd be accusing him of collusion with Cuba. :shrug:
Rape is sexy.Then she said, "Think of all the fantasies!" This clearly implies that she has had sexy rape fantasies. Considering her 'story' about Trump, this certainly does not help her case.
Anderson Cooper cuts to commercial after E. Jean Carroll calls rape 'sexy'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cooper-cuts-interview-short-after-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cooper-cuts-interview-short-after-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy)
He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Example: if he said something flip like "Nice try, no ceegar"... they'd be accusing him of collusion with Cuba. :shrug:All presidents take flak from people. Some of the people are worth responding to and some aren't. For the POTUS to respond to every yapping puppy is beneath the office.
I tend to agree. I'm afraid social media is what is now, and an effective communicator should be proficient at using it.
Given that Trump's tweets reflect Trump's personality, so if you don't like him, you don't like his tweets.
All presidents take flak from people. Some of the people are worth responding to and some aren't. For the POTUS to respond to every yapping puppy is beneath the office.
He has to learn how to have a tougher skin. Don't get down in the mud with some people. He didn't say anything about Eminem, and the idiot went away. He should try that more often with other morons who try to provoke him.
All presidents take flak from people. Some of the people are worth responding to and some aren't. For the POTUS to respond to every yapping puppy is beneath the office.
He has to learn how to have a tougher skin. Don't get down in the mud with some people. He didn't say anything about Eminem, and the idiot went away. He should try that more often with other morons who try to provoke him.
Not to worry. She's not his type so it couldn't have happened.
Never mind the teen aged girls who were in their dressing room for the Teen Beauty Pageant who were appalled at his appearing in their dressing room. Hopefully, most of them weren't his type either.
With all due respect here.... being in a pageant, which for most of them is not their first time, is a lot like being a model. People come and go in the dressing rooms all the time. You either get used to it or you find another line of work.
@XenaLeeSo now Ted Cruz was a RINO.
She knows this. She just wants to be able to portray Trump as a perv because he is the evil sob that stole the presidency from her usual suspect RINO.
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend the pervert.
With all due respect here.... being in a pageant, which for most of them is not their first time, is a lot like being a model. People come and go in the dressing rooms all the time. You either get used to it or you find another line of work.That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.
People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.
A lot of women speak up as to how genlemanly and polite Trump has been. If you sling mud, at least he should be, could be, can be defended.
A lot of women speak up as to how genlemanly and polite Trump has been. If you sling mud, at least he should be, could be, can be defended.
You know how those mud slingers are, Tommy..... they've got no scruples.... no scruples I tell ya...
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.
People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend the pervert.
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend the pervert.
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.
People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.
Difference is... you're not involved in the pageant (or modeling) industry. Trump was. People involved in the pageant process come and go thru those dressing rooms routinely. Do they cop a peek? Hell yeah, no doubt. Do most of the pageant participants think anything about it? Hell no. Just the ones trying to make points with their leftie gods by accusing Trump. JS...
So no, it's not bullcrap. It's a fact.
Well, I'm not excusing Trump. Just looking at this woman's story and not finding it credible.To clarify: I, too, am at least uncertain and at most deeply skeptical of this particular case... but let's not kid ourselves. Trump has done this sort of thing in the past. Repeatedly. That, and the fact that there's no real correlation with anything else going on (meaning its distraction value is almost worthless) are about the only two things going in her favor right now.
To clarify: I, too, am at least uncertain and at most deeply skeptical of this particular case... but let's not kid ourselves. Trump has done this sort of thing in the past. Repeatedly. That, and the fact that there's no real correlation with anything else going on (meaning its distraction value is almost worthless) are about the only two things going in her favor right now.
So..you're in the "He's a pervert" column? **nononono*Put me in the "He's a pervert, but not this time" column if that helps you sleep at night.
Put me in the "He's a pervert, but not this time" column if that helps you sleep at night.
What is it that rises to extreme perversion?He beat Hillary, the MSM, and the Shadow Government. That is as perverse a thing as anyone could do in America.
What is it that rises to extreme perversion?
He beat Hillary, the MSM, and the Shadow Government. That is as perverse a thing as anyone could do in America.
As someone pointed out way up Thread, having sex in a standing position is complicated and requires a bit of a contortionist physicality
Dumb question here, and I acknowledge that I haven't been following all of the dirt for the last several years, but in the area of extreme perversion, what is it Trump has done in that area? I know about the running his mouth about women and saying crude things, three wives, leering at pageant participants and coming on to women. What is it that rises to extreme perversion?I don't think he's an EXTREME pervert. Just a serial mid-level pervert who thinks he gets away with it because he's rich and powerful.
I don't think he's an EXTREME pervert. Just a serial mid-level pervert who thinks he gets away with it because he's rich and powerful.
Extreme perverts are the type that end up on the Megan's Law sex offender registries. Incest, child molestation, violent rape. The bathhouses are full of extreme perverts, too, but that's another issue altogether.
Sooo.... color me curious, too. What's the difference between an extreme pervert... and a serial mid-level pervert? Could you please explain and define that difference for our edification?
What acts, specifically, do serial mid-level perverts commit, IOW?
I don't think he's an EXTREME pervert. Just a serial mid-level pervert who thinks he gets away with it because he's rich and powerful.
Extreme perverts are the type that end up on the Megan's Law sex offender registries. Incest, child molestation, violent rape. The bathhouses are full of extreme perverts, too, but that's another issue altogether.
I'm curious too. I see this argument frequently: "I think so-and-so is a pervert (not just Trump. Look at the Roy Moore threads), so if you support him/her in any way you must be either a pervert too, or 'unprincipled.' I know what I am, so what are you? No, I don't need evidence because 'I know.'"
I wonder if I should start considering this fallacy a personal attack.
I'm curious too. I see this argument frequently: "I think so-and-so is a pervert (not just Trump. Look at the Roy Moore threads), so if you support him/her in any way you must be either a pervert too, or 'unprincipled.' I know what I am, so what are you? No, I don't need evidence because 'I know.'"
I wonder if I should start considering this fallacy a personal attack.
I've been irritated at this for a while. Some otherwise good people look at Moore or Trump and declare them some level of "pervert" without any hard evidence, then paint other Members as "unprincipled" if they stick up for the politician in question.
Criticize the politicians all you want, that is what TBR is for, but a line is being crossed when other Members are attacked for their beliefs. This "I know what I am, so what are you" business is just a clever way of concealing personal attacks behind a veil of "morality."
I understand that, but what acts has he committed to get him into pervert category?Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.
No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.
No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.You just described Joe Biden exactly.
No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.
You just described Joe Biden exactly.
You just described every guy in college.
In fact, you have just described very many boys and men.
I guess all, or at least most, men are perverts by this definition.
Exactly. I've had men (that I didn't know) make unwanted advances.
@XenaLee
The only way to find out if your sexual advances are unwanted or welcome is to make them. I am guessing the population would be much smaller if no one ever made the first move.
Yes,sometimes there is a fine line between an advance and a rude insult,and sometimes there is a gap an Olympic athlete couldn't leap. We are not all equally gifted with the gift of gab,and the difference between smooth and rude is always in the eyes of the receiver. Nobody's fault,that's just the way it is.
That's life in the real world...
Then there's no choice but to use government, and government controlled media, to change that world. All in a day's work.