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Title: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 06:42:03 pm
 Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s

By Joe Tacopino

June 21, 2019 | 1:19pm

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Famed advice columnist E. Jean Carroll claims that now-President Trump sexually assaulted her in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s, it was revealed.

Carroll told New York Magazine the real estate tycoon approached her in Bergdorf Goodman and started a friendly chat.

Trump allegedly called the popular columnist “that advice lady” and asked her to help him pick out lingerie.

“Come advise me,” she quotes Trump as saying. “I gotta buy a present.”

Trump then allegedly grabbed a see-through bodysuit and told Carroll: “Go try this on!”

The two then joked about how they would both try on the bodysuit and went into a dressing room together.

more
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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 06:48:30 pm
Never heard of her.

And why wait almost 30 years to bring it up?

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 21, 2019, 06:48:56 pm
Grab'em by the _____.

But it will be greeted with yawns, victim shaming and the usual pooh-poohs from the Sycophant Caucus who I apparently can no longer mention by name. You know who you are, shills.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 21, 2019, 06:49:16 pm
Never heard of her.

And why wait almost 30 years to bring it up?
It's not like she's the first.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 06:50:20 pm
It's not like she's the first.

And as the impeachment hope are dashed and collusion fades away it won't be the last either.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 21, 2019, 06:50:43 pm
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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 21, 2019, 06:53:19 pm
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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 21, 2019, 06:55:38 pm
@txradioguy

I never heard of her either.  She must not be all that famous.

And I will treat her story like the claims against Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh.  Where's the proof and was there a crime committed?  If there is no proof and no crime, then STFU and go away, lady.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 06:57:16 pm
@txradioguy

I never heard of her either.  She must not be all that famous.

And I will treat her story like the claims against Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh.  Where's the proof and was there a crime committed?  If there is no proof and no crime, then STFU and go away, lady.

Same here.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 21, 2019, 07:05:18 pm
Seems she claims to have also been assaulted by Les Moonves, the one-time chief of CBS.  Sounds to me like she is a serial accuser.  If she can't get money, fame or whatever by accusing one guy, she will accuse one or more others.   

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 07:07:56 pm
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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 21, 2019, 07:09:37 pm
I suspect that she will soon remember that a young man named Brett Kavanaugh was there too....  right around the punch bowl outside the dressing room.....   yeah, that's the ticket....
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2019, 07:17:59 pm
I suspect that she will soon remember that a young man named Brett Kavanaugh was there too....  right around the punch bowl outside the dressing room.....   yeah, that's the ticket....

Handing out red solo cups.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: dfwgator on June 21, 2019, 07:23:56 pm
Horses--t!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 21, 2019, 07:41:08 pm
What? She just sobered up?? 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: rustynail on June 21, 2019, 07:44:38 pm
She trying to reclaim some past hotness? 
Look at me now I'm still 'desirable'.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 07:48:29 pm
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Is that her today?

The years were not kind. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mountaineer on June 21, 2019, 07:49:43 pm
Seems she claims to have also been assaulted by Les Moonves, the one-time chief of CBS.  Sounds to me like she is a serial accuser.  If she can't get money, fame or whatever by accusing one guy, she will accuse one or more others.
She must be irresistible.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2019, 07:50:00 pm
I read some of her crap.  It seems she was regularly assaulted by a variety of heinous men.  I'm not sure what to make of it.   :pondering:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 21, 2019, 07:58:28 pm
Is that her today?

The years were not kind.

Yup, and yup!

Supposedly she has a new book coming out on July 2nd, What Do We Need Men For?, surely this will be good for publicizing it...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 21, 2019, 09:06:04 pm
Seems she claims to have also been assaulted by Les Moonves, the one-time chief of CBS.  Sounds to me like she is a serial accuser.  If she can't get money, fame or whatever by accusing one guy, she will accuse one or more others.
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?

Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?

This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2019, 09:08:56 pm
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?

Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?

This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.

Aren't you doing the same thing?  If she's accusing Trump, she must be telling the truth?  Go read some of her writings and come back and tell us what you think.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2019, 09:10:37 pm
The Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Roy Moore, Bret Kavanaugh, and others I can't recall at the moment treatment for the president.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 09:19:44 pm
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?

Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?

This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.

Gosh dern it dude.  I read most of your posts and sometimes, like now, I believe you are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 21, 2019, 09:24:30 pm
Gosh dern it dude.  I read most of your posts and sometimes, like now, I believe you are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.

Is that what his problem is?

I couldn't figure out why the 100% bitterness all of the time....

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 21, 2019, 09:28:51 pm
I suspect that she will soon remember that a young man named Brett Kavanaugh was there too....  right around the punch bowl outside the dressing room.....   yeah, that's the ticket....

 888high58888
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 21, 2019, 09:30:57 pm
She looks like he should have charged her for it.

Whatevs, baby.  We already know what he is, so what are you?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: goatprairie on June 21, 2019, 09:35:13 pm
Famed? A number of knowledgeable people on this thread, including myself, have never heard of her.  And I count myself as a person who tries to keep abreast of scribblers on the other side of the political equation.
I'd like to see a name-recognition test done to see how many Americans have ever heard of her. I'd be mightily surprised if the numbers tops more than one or two percent.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 21, 2019, 09:39:41 pm
In a first-person account published Friday in New York magazine, writer E. Jean Carroll said she was raped by Donald Trump in the 1990s.

Carroll, a long-time columnist for Elle magazine and the author of five books, details an encounter with Trump in the mid-1990s in the upscale Bergdorf Goodman department store in midtown Manhattan. Trump and Carroll recognized each other in the store, and Trump told her he needed to buy a gift “for a girl,” according to Carroll’s account.

https://news.yahoo.com/writer-says-she-was-raped-by-trump-in-1990-s-190337681.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 21, 2019, 09:40:07 pm
Excerpt from her upcoming book:

Quote
My first rich boy pulled down my underpants. My last rich boy pulled down my tights. My first rich boy — I had fixed my eyes on his face long enough to know — was beautiful, with dark gray eyes and long golden-brown hair across his forehead. I don’t know what he grew up to be. My last rich boy was blond. He grew up to be the president of the United States.

The first rich boy’s name was James. He was raped by his grandfather. He was raped by his uncles. He was beaten by his father. My mother told me the stories much later. When James was 6, he was taken away from his father and given to a rich couple, Arthur and Evelyn. Arthur and Evelyn were best friends with my parents, Tom and Betty. One day my parents gave a party. Everyone brought their kids. Arthur and Evelyn drove up from Indianapolis with James to the redbrick schoolhouse where we lived, deep in the hills north of Fort Wayne. As the parents drank cocktails in our big yard with the scent of the blooming wads of cash infusing every inch of Indiana just after WWII, the kids played up on the hill beside the schoolhouse.
 
James was 7 and a half or 8, a bloodthirsty, beautiful, relentless boy. He ordered everyone around, even the older kids. To me he said, “I’m going to shove this up you again.”
 
We’d played this game before. Our families had gone on a camping trip to Pokagon State Park, and I learned that an object could be shoved up the place where I tinkled. I don’t remember now what it was, probably a stick, or maybe a rock. It felt like being cut with a knife. I remember I bled.
 
“I don’t want to,” I said.

We were standing on the hill. James looked at me with his feral gray eyes.

He wadded up a piece of fabric — it was a light blue-violet shade and looked fluffy, like a bunched-up hairnet

“Put this in your underpants,” he said.

He pulled up my dress and crammed the balled-up material down my pants. Late at night, when the guests had gone home, I took off my dress, pulled down my pants. And there it still was, the wadded-up thing.

James and I played so many ferocious games while camping that summer: hooking each other with fishhooks, holding each other underwater, tying each other up, shooting each other with cap guns, chasing each other with garter snakes, dumping hot embers on each other’s heads. I am not putting him on the Most Hideous Men of My Life List — whether he belongs there is for him to decide. It is his uncles, his father, his grandfather who belong on such a list.
 
Now, about this Most Hideous Men of My Life List: It is a list of the 21 most revolting scoundrels I have ever met. I started it in October 2017, the day Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey published their Harvey Weinstein bombshells in the New York Times. As the riotous, sickening stories of #MeToo surged across the country, I, like many women, could not help but be reminded of certain men in my own life. When I began, I was not sure which among all the foul harassers, molesters, traducers, swindlers, stranglers, and no-goods I’ve known were going to make the final accounting. I considered Matt Lauer, Bill O’Reilly, and the giant dingleberry Charlie Rose, all guys whose TV shows I was on many times and who made headlines during the rise of #MeToo. But in the end, they do not make my Hideous List.

Hunter S. Thompson … now, there’s a good candidate. I know. I wrote his biography. Does Hunter, the greatest degenerate of his generation, who kept yelling, “Off with your pants!” as he sliced the leggings from my body with a long knife in his hot tub, make the list? Naw.

And if having my pants hacked off by a man lit to the eyebrows with acid, Chivas Regal, Champagne, grass, Chartreuse, Dunhills, cocaine, and Dove Bars does not make the list — because to me there is a big difference between an “adventure” and an “attack” — who, in God’s name, does make my Hideous List?
 
After almost two years of drawing and redrawing my list, I’ve come to realize that, though my hideosity bar is high, my criteria are a little cockeyed. It is a gut call. I am like Justice Potter Stewart. I just know a hideous man when I see one. And I have seen plenty. For 26 years, I have been writing the “Ask E. Jean” column in Elle, and for 26 years, no matter what problems are driving women crazy — their careers, wardrobes, love affairs, children, orgasms, finances — there comes a line in almost every letter when the cause of the correspondent’s quagmire is revealed. And that cause is men.


More:  https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html (https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html) 



Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 21, 2019, 09:41:05 pm
Carroll says Trump pushed her against the wall, and “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.”


Intentional, gratuitous dig.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: NavyCanDo on June 21, 2019, 09:41:46 pm
Like it was leading up to the 2016 election, expect more of these accusers to crawl out from rocks.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 09:43:20 pm
https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html (https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html)
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The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.

I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me. It turns into a colossal struggle. I am wearing a pair of sturdy black patent-leather four-inch Barneys high heels, which puts my height around six-one, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand — for some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other — and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out and off and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room.

more at link

#MAGA
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 09:45:57 pm
Okay I see this article has been posted 4x...I am going to merge them all
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 21, 2019, 09:46:19 pm
Like it was leading up to the 2016 election, expect more of these accusers to crawl out from rocks.

Think it'll make any difference if he's running against Sanders or Lieawatha?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 09:47:31 pm
Like it was leading up to the 2016 election, expect more of these accusers to crawl out from rocks.

Spot on @NavyCanDo It is coming....Every Day and in Every way. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 09:50:19 pm
Trump denies new sexual assault allegation: 'I've never met this person in my life'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449793-trump-pushes-back-on-latest-allegation-of-sexual-assault
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: austingirl on June 21, 2019, 09:50:57 pm
Excerpt from her upcoming book:

She sounds quite disturbed and maybe delusional about her attractiveness.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: austingirl on June 21, 2019, 09:51:44 pm
Spot on @NavyCanDo It is coming....Every Day and in Every way.

Do the democommies really think round two will go any better than round one?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: austingirl on June 21, 2019, 09:53:11 pm
"I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing."

All the way to the bank?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 09:54:15 pm
Do the democommies really think round two will go any better than round one?

I think the #Poundme has run its course for the ruin of men. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 21, 2019, 09:56:00 pm
She sounds quite disturbed and maybe delusional about her attractiveness.

She sure does.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 10:03:09 pm
Never heard of her.

And why wait almost 30 years to bring it up?

"Receiving death threats, being driven from my home, being dismissed, being dragged through the mud, and joining the 15 women who’ve come forward with credible stories about how the man grabbed, badgered, belittled, mauled, molested, and assaulted them, only to see the man turn it around, deny, threaten, and attack them, never sounded like much fun. Also, I am a coward."
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 10:04:34 pm
Trump denies new sexual assault allegation: 'I've never met this person in my life'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449793-trump-pushes-back-on-latest-allegation-of-sexual-assault

Only problem with that claim is there is a picture of him in 1987 talking with her and her then husband.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 10:05:00 pm
(https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/6a252db/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1060x600+0+0/resize/1060x600!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2F40%2Fdc%2F1fe8d28f47dd84fee87b9d362a6a%2Fejean-two-hands.jpg)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/elle-advice-columnist-accuses-trump-of-sexually-assaulting-her-in-the-90s (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/elle-advice-columnist-accuses-trump-of-sexually-assaulting-her-in-the-90s)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 10:09:50 pm
Only problem with that claim is there is a picture of him in 1987 talking with her and her then husband.
I quite sure President Brain Damage doesn't remember ALL the women he rapes.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 10:15:24 pm
Only problem with that claim is there is a picture of him in 1987 talking with her and her then husband.

Well Trump had pictures take with every up and comer back them. The SOB's face was all over the NY papers back then....What is your point?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 10:16:36 pm
I quite sure President

Nice.  You are man for all seasons.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 10:17:37 pm
Well Trump had pictures take with every up and comer back them. The SOB's face was all over the NY papers back then....What is your point?

It wasn't a grip and grin type of picture.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9ncCQyW4AAYGeh.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 10:19:53 pm
It wasn't a grip and grin type of picture.


What does that mean.  Never heard that before.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 21, 2019, 10:20:32 pm
I quite sure President Brain Damage doesn't remember ALL the women he rapes.

Can you name one with the veracity of Juanita Broaddrick?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: TomSea on June 21, 2019, 10:22:21 pm
Reagan was accused... so that tells me, they try to sling this mud at anyone. One can look that up even. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 10:26:23 pm
What does that mean.  Never heard that before.

Staged photo. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/C4WbOQfXUAAo3i4.jpg)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 21, 2019, 10:28:59 pm
So I'm reading up on Miss Carroll and rereading her account of this supposed assault.  She was born in 1943. which means if this incident did occur in the mid-90s, she would have been maybe in her 50s.  She wasn't some star struck teenager.  So why would she go into a dressing room with a man -- unless she was drunk, high or maybe just plain stupid?   I would go for "stupid."'

If this thing really did occur, I don't think I'd want to take advice from someone that dumb.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 10:30:36 pm
Can you name one with the veracity of Juanita Broaddrick?

She was the one who accused Clinton of rape 22 years after the fact and after signing a sworn statement saying it didn't happen.  no
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 10:32:17 pm
Staged photo. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/C4WbOQfXUAAo3i4.jpg)

Thanks. @txradioguy
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 21, 2019, 10:33:21 pm
Thanks. @txradioguy

No worries.  I forget sometimes and use inside terminology for stuff and forget most people won't know what I mean.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 21, 2019, 10:38:45 pm
She was the one who accused Clinton of rape 22 years after the fact and after signing a sworn statement saying it didn't happen.  no

That's what I thought.  You're trolling.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 10:44:41 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9miXsGWkAAZaHe.png)

Okay I reread that.  I have to say from my life experience that is bullshit.  Does anyone know how hard it is to have stand up sex with a willing partner much less an unwilling one??  Well I do know it is a f'n workout involving some contortions and heavy lifting.  Not to mention someone one the receiving end to take that hump.  She said 3 minutes?  Bullshit.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 21, 2019, 10:46:56 pm
Okay I reread that.  I have to say from my life experience that is bullshit.  Does anyone know how hard it is to have stand up sex with a willing partner much less an unwilling one??  Well I do know it is a f'n workout involving some contortions and heavy lifting.  Not to mention someone one the receiving end to take that hump.  She said 3 minutes?  Bullshit.

Exactly, a very implausible account.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 10:56:15 pm
That's what I thought.  You're trolling.
You're oblivious to sarcasm
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 10:57:57 pm
Is raping an American citizen an impeachable offense?  We need Congressional hearings.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 11:00:02 pm
Exactly, a very implausible account.

Sex is hard.   Heavy liftin can be required at time. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 11:05:10 pm
You're oblivious to sarcasm

Now now.  Were that be the case you would still be a remarkable objective TBR  member and not the miserable troll you have morphed into. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 21, 2019, 11:05:17 pm
She sounds like a (another) typical leftie loon to me.  At that time, Trump was married to Marla... who, by comparison, makes Carroll look like a mutt.

Also, why did she go into the dressing rooms (supposedly)?   Story stinks.  As per usual when leftists  accuse their opposition of things that can never be disproven.  Leftie desperation is growing.

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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2019, 11:09:43 pm
That's what I thought.  You're trolling.

@Once-Ler trolling???   I'm shocked!   /s
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 11:12:08 pm
She sounds like (another) typical leftie loon to me.  At that time, Trump was married to Marla... who, by comparison, makes Carroll look like a mutt.

Also, why did she go into the dressing rooms (supposedly)?   Story stinks.  As per usual when leftists  accuse their opposition of things that can never be disproven.  Leftie desperation is growing.

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...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!

I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2019, 11:16:03 pm
Okay I reread that.  I have to say from my life experience that is bullshit.  Does anyone know how hard it is to have stand up sex with a willing partner much less an unwilling one??  Well I do know it is a f'n workout involving some contortions and heavy lifting.  Not to mention someone one the receiving end to take that hump.  She said 3 minutes?  Bullshit.

I knew it was BS without bothering to read it.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 21, 2019, 11:16:53 pm
...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!

I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!

Yep.  Just another delusional leftie wacko.  She's probably just chronicling her wildest fantasies.  IOW, she's still dreaming.

Problem is... the media is already all over this and will be from now til AFTER election day.  And enough stupid people will believe it.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 21, 2019, 11:19:18 pm
You're oblivious to sarcasm

No, it's hard to tell with you.  Sarcastic people usually let on they are sarcastic.  IOW, you aren't any good at it.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 11:24:39 pm
Also, why did she go into the dressing rooms (supposedly)?
She didn't know Trump lacked impulse control.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 11:27:36 pm
No, it's hard to tell with you.  Sarcastic people usually let on they are sarcastic.  IOW, you aren't any good at it.
There are worse character flaws.  Knee-jerk defending a rapist to own the libs comes to mind.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 21, 2019, 11:28:20 pm
She didn't know Trump lacked impulse control.

Bullshit.

She's a wacko.  And quite probably (since she's a leftie) a deliberate liar, as well.

I would love for someone to come forward... now... and prove that she lied about this (see below) too:

On June 21, 2019, Carroll alleged in a first-person essay in New York that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996 in a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York City.[19][20] In the essay Carroll said, “I have never had sex with anybody again”.[21] The essay was published as part of an excerpt of Carroll's book What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, which is being published on July 2, 2019. The White House denied the allegation.[19] Carroll also alleged that in the 1990s, media executive Les Moonves had assaulted her as well.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll#cite_note-21
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2019, 11:33:07 pm
Bullshit.

She's a wacko.  And quite probably (since she's a leftie) a deliberate liar, as well.

I would love for someone to come forward... now... and prove that she lied about this (see below) too:

On June 21, 2019, Carroll alleged in a first-person essay in New York that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996 in a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York City.[19][20] In the essay Carroll said, “I have never had sex with anybody again”.[21] The essay was published as part of an excerpt of Carroll's book What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, which is being published on July 2, 2019. The White House denied the allegation.[19] Carroll also alleged that in the 1990s, media executive Les Moonves had assaulted her as well.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll#cite_note-21

Pretty sad when you can't get anyone to come back for seconds.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 11:33:17 pm
Trump issues blistering denial of E. Jean Carroll's rape allegation
by Ellie Bufkin
 | June 21, 2019 06:29 PM



President Trump issued a blistering rebuke of an accusation of rape that allegedly took place 23 years ago.


E. Jean Carroll, an Elle magazine advice columnist, accused Trump of raping her in the dressing room of an upscale department store in the 1990s. She detailed the encounter in a cover story she wrote for New York magazine.

Trump responded late afternoon on Friday, "Regarding the 'story' by E. Jean Carroll, claiming she once encountered me at Bergdorf Goodman 23 years ago. I’ve never met this person in my life. She is trying to sell a new book—that should indicate her motivation. It should be sold in the fiction section."

The president further evoked similarly aged accusations made against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings. In a statement shared by the White House, Trump delivered a scathing criticism of the media. "Shame on those who make up false stories of assault to try to get publicity for themselves, or sell a book, or carry out a political agenda — like Julie Swetnick who falsely accused Justice Brett Kavanaugh," Trump said. "It’s just as bad for people to believe it, particularly when there is zero evidence. Worse still for a dying publication to try to prop itself up by peddling fake news—it’s an epidemic."

Trump continued, "Ms. Carroll & New York Magazine: No pictures? No surveillance? No video? No reports? No sales attendants around?? I would like to thank Bergdorf Goodman for confirming they have no video footage of any such incident, because it never happened."

In conclusion, Trump asked people to let him know if they find any information to suggest Carroll or New York magazine is working with the Democrats at a time when he is seeking reelection in 2020.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-issues-blistering-denial-of-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegation (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-issues-blistering-denial-of-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegation)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 21, 2019, 11:35:02 pm
There are worse character flaws.  Knee-jerk defending a rapist to own the libs comes to mind.

You are painting a lot of non-knee-jerk people with your brush.  I suggest you give it a rest.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 21, 2019, 11:36:13 pm
No, it's hard to tell with you.  Sarcastic people usually let on they are sarcastic.  IOW, you aren't any good at it.

Now now. Do not be to hard on him..... Were that be the case he would still be a remarkable objective TBR  member and not the miserable troll he has have morphed into.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 21, 2019, 11:37:21 pm
Pretty sad when you can't get anyone to come back for seconds.

It's also pretty sad when you can't remember which season, much less which month or day, you were supposedly assaulted on/in.  Kinda reminds me of that other wacko, Cristine Ford.  Everything is clear except the details...lol.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2019, 11:38:59 pm
You are painting a lot of non-knee-jerk people with your brush.  I suggest you give it a rest.
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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: austingirl on June 21, 2019, 11:40:35 pm
...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!

I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!

She wants to sell books. I don't think Bergdorf Goodman allows men to accompany women in the dressing room. In those days, they would have fawning and attentive staff monitoring and assisting customers.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 21, 2019, 11:48:14 pm
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?

Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?

This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.


Everything you posted is LEFT, LYING. TALKING POINTS.  This is another BRETT KAVANAUGH.....attack.  President TRUMP just announced his re-election.  She is a Lesbian.  Quote by her: "what do we need men for"? 

More VIRTUE SIGNALING by you.  Give it up. No one will be MOTHER TERESA....that will get elected for president.
How about, we stay in reality ?  DOUBLE STANDARDS. You must hate congress in DC who use a madame. Bill & Hillary go BOTH WAYS. GAY.  Bill has a child with black prostitute, DANNY WILLIAMS. Hillary caught in hotel room with black female prostitute. Hillary raped Cathy O'brien. Bill has  15 more women of record, saying he raped them. Not counting paid off Jones or Flowers.  Obama..married to trannie...the bio parents of his kids are DR. ANITA BLANCHARD & Martin Nesbitt. Obama born in Kenya, fraud, con artist. Then gay male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smokes, does pot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC?  Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.

  You need video of bouncing b@lls of Manchelle?  My president does NOT drink any alcohol..ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink  coffee.  You want to impugn him?  Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated. 
Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 21, 2019, 11:50:46 pm
A billionaire walks around in a department store?   SUPER MODELS THROW themselves on him, & he would go for this woman? 
FICTION WRITING AGAIN by the LEFT.  Too many jealous men when it regards president TRUMP.


https://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU (https://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU)

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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 21, 2019, 11:54:03 pm


Uh... posting unflattering pics isn't going to work either.  We've got plenty of those kind of photos of the leftie opposition....ALL of them.   Try again?   :whistle:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 22, 2019, 12:00:06 am
A billionaire walks around in a department store?   SUPER MODELS THROW themselves on him, & he would go for this woman? 
FICTION WRITING AGAIN by the LEFT. 

...

Well, if this was a sexual assault -- you should know that rape has nothing to do with age or looks.   Usually, it's about a man exercising power over a woman -- any woman or even young girls or elderly women.  An attacker doesn't care.

But that's not the part that makes me suspicious of Miss Carroll's account.  Like the assertions against Justice Kavanaugh or even Roy Moore, there is no real evidence that an assault occurred and there were no criminal charges -- for an assault that allegedly occurred decades ago.  . 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 12:03:48 am
Well, if this was a sexual assault -- you should know that rape has nothing to do with age or looks.   Usually, it's about a man exercising power over a woman -- any woman or even young girls or elderly women.  An attacker doesn't care.

But that's not the part that makes me suspicious of Miss Carroll's account.  Like the assertions against Justice Kavanaugh or even Roy Moore, there is no real evidence that an assault occurred and there were no criminal charges -- for an assault that allegedly occurred decades ago.  .

And... yet another accusation where the alleged victim can't remember which season (or on which date) the alleged assault occurred.  Convenient.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 12:06:38 am
Can you name one with the veracity of Juanita Broaddrick?


Paula Jones & Jennifer Flowers paid off by  BILL CLINTON!  There is s list of 15 more women, who say Bill raped them. 

Stormy has to pay president TRUMP $290,000. dollars for lying. Extorting money from famous person.

What bothers me is that PEOPLE....WANT TO BELIEVE the worst about another human being, instead of using critical thinking.  It is like they LOVE smut...to talk about it.  Never thinking it might not be true!  They WANT to believe the worst! 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 12:06:57 am
The President is accused of rape today...here is your fair and balanced news.
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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 22, 2019, 12:14:59 am

Everything you posted is LEFT, LYING. TALKING POINTS.  This is another BRETT KAVANAUGH.....attack.  President TRUMP just announced his re-election.  She is a Lesbian.  Quote by her: "what do we need men for"? 

More VIRTUE SIGNALING by you.  Give it up. No one will be MOTHER TERESA....that will get elected for president.
How about, we stay in reality ?  DOUBLE STANDARDS. You must hate congress in DC who use a madame. Bill & Hillary go BOTH WAYS. GAY.  Bill has a child with black prostitute, DANNY WILLIAMS. Hillary caught in hotel room with black female prostitute. Hillary raped Cathy O'brien. Bill has  15 more women of record, saying he raped them. Not counting paid off Jones or Flowers.  Obama..married to trannie...the bio parents of his kids are DR. ANITA BLANCHARD & Martin Nesbitt. Obama born in Kenya, fraud, con artist. Then gay male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smokes, does pot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC?  Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.

  You need video of bouncing b@lls of Manchelle?  My president does NOT drink any alcohol..ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink  coffee.  You want to impugn him?  Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated. 
Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny.

Speaking of talking points and virtue signaling...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bill Cipher on June 22, 2019, 12:19:11 am
Really, though, at this point what does she have to gain? It's clear it's not having any effect. Nobody cares. That's the worst part of all this. The guy is on tape admitting he grabs women by the bleep¹ and lusts after his own daughter and not one person gives a flying bleep² anymore. Like he said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose voters. Where are our values?

Is there not one person not named Bill Weld who will actually stand up and primary this predator?

This is not even close to being the same as the Roy Moore hit job. That came after the primary, right after it was too late to change candidates, a tactic used by the left for a long time. This was known in the primaries. This was known when the now-imprisoned Paul Manafort was rigging the primary in his client's favor. It was known when convict Michael Cohen was buying off Jerry Falwell Jr.'s endorsement and funneling money through the National Enquirer for favorable coverage.

Publicity for her new book and a ticket to first class on the #metoo train. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 12:22:20 am
I quite sure President Brain Damage doesn't remember ALL the women he rapes.


Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE?  There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures.  <Nope>
You are so jealous.  Projecting again.  How dare you post the above! 

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 22, 2019, 12:23:36 am
And... yet another accusation where the alleged victim can't remember which season (or on which date) the alleged assault occurred.  Convenient.

Ah, but this one, like the Ford chippy in the Kavanaugh case, told some people Trump assaulted her. 

Wonder if those people Carroll supposedly told will deny being advised of the alleged assault or say they don't remember being told - just like Ford.  LOL 

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 12:26:05 am
...and where was she in 2016, 2017, 2018.....Please!

I am no Trump defender but this story stinks to high heaven....seems she has accused other men of rape too!




.....I agree.  Delusional.  Smut sells books.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 22, 2019, 12:29:06 am

Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE?  There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures.  <Nope>
You are so jealous.  Projecting again.  How dare you post the above!

Wut? 

Since when don't whites rape? 

And why would Once-Ler get a visit from the Secret Service ?

Are you impaired?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 12:29:20 am

Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE?  There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures.  <Nope>
You are so jealous.  Projecting again.  How dare you post the above!

No comment.  I just want the other Trump fans to get another chance to see who their allies are.  Hail Victory Proud Boy.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sighlass on June 22, 2019, 12:29:46 am
Well this makes how many women... time to throw Trump under the bus like yall did with Roy Moore...

Nevermind how implausible it is... (ask any man/woman how painful rushed sex is when unprepared )... not something any man/woman who values their private parts would do on purpose, especially in a public store where others could hear screams of for help. 

But that doesn't matter, some animals are more equal than others it seems in political circles... One person has a proven long clean history, the other is on tape talking about doing this...... One stands behind their convictions the other flip-flops on issue between debates... One married for life, the other trades in used cars like there is a cash for clunker deal.... with a money paper trail to prove it...

Do I believe this latest allegation... nope... even if true 30 years later only seems to support someone trying to up their book sales. If you are raped women, scream it loud and clear as soon as possible from the rooftops... cause it needs broadcast where good people can come to your rescue.... should be one of the first things a mother teachers her young daughter when they are old enough to understand it.  I raised boys and made sure they fully understand I would disown any of them if they did anything remotely like this.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 22, 2019, 12:30:04 am

Do you want a visit by SECERT SERVICE?  There are TWO CULTURES that are rape cultures. <Nope>
You are so jealous.  Projecting again.  How dare you post the above!

How dare you think that a comment like that would warrant a visit from the Secret Service.

You really need to think before you hit send on your posts.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 12:32:14 am
Ah, but this one, like the Ford chippy in the Kavanaugh case, told some people Trump assaulted her. 

Wonder if those people Carroll supposedly told will deny being advised of the alleged assault or say they don't remember being told - just like Ford.  LOL

Time will tell.   The media is already all over this, salivating and ecstatically anticipating the damage it might do.  I think Carroll is just another recruit the left has found.  What do they do?  Advertise on the dark web or something? 

"Wanted:  Lying liars and the lies they agree to tell.  Salary negotiable plus perks (like notoriety, points made with the globalists, book sales, potential government job, etc.)."  :shrug:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 12:34:25 am
No comment.  I just want the other Trump fans to get another chance to see who their allies are.  Hail Victory Proud Boy.

Just because you're a fan of the truth (reality, logic, etc.)... does that automatically make one a "Trump fan" in your eyes?  Just wondering...

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: corbe on June 22, 2019, 12:37:49 am
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        Is it too early to discuss your favorite PIE?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 22, 2019, 12:38:03 am

If you are raped women, scream it loud and clear from the rooftops... cause it needs broadcast where good people can come to your rescue.... should be one of the first things a mother teachers her young daughter when they are old enough to understand it.  I raised boys and made sure they fully understand I would disown any of them if they did anything remotely like this.

Trouble is, when women come out with phony baloney allegations of rape or even "inappropriate behavior" -- whatever the hell that is -- it makes it much more difficult for real victims of rape to come forward, file charges and actually be believed.  This whole MeToo nonsense, I think, has done more harm than good for real victims.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 12:42:33 am
Some of you men, who are LEFTS....need to search your own souls. This man talking is so JEALOUS.  "I DIDN'T GET BY WITH IT, WHY SHOULD HE GET BY WITH IT".  JEALOUSY.  This man is a talking IDIOT.

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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 12:42:45 am
Just because you're a fan of the truth (reality, logic, etc.)... does that automatically make one a "Trump fan" in your eyes?  Just wondering...
Being a fan of Trump makes one a fan of Trump.  It has nothing to do with truth, reality, or logic.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bill Cipher on June 22, 2019, 12:44:20 am
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        Is it too early to discuss your favorite PIE?

Nope.  Mines blueberry, with vanilla ice cream. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 12:45:07 am
When I was a single woman, young,  a lot of what women call "rape'..was called dating back then.  ATTEMPTS...DO NOT COUNT! 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bill Cipher on June 22, 2019, 12:47:14 am
When I was a single woman, young,  a lot of what women call "rape'..was called dating back then.  ATTEMPTS...DO NOT COUNT! 

Yeah, they do.  It’s called attempted rape.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 12:48:53 am
Being a fan of Trump makes one a fan of Trump.  It has nothing to do with truth, reality, or logic.

Nice dodge.   Says a lot.   Thanks.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sighlass on June 22, 2019, 12:56:08 am
Trouble is, when women come out with phony baloney allegations of rape or even "inappropriate behavior" -- whatever the hell that is -- it makes it much more difficult for real victims of rape to come forward, file charges and actually be believed.  This whole MeToo nonsense, I think, has done more harm than good for real victims.

Agree, sorry I was late to edit my post to say scream out loud as soon it is possible...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 01:07:40 am
Nice dodge.   Says a lot.   Thanks.
Not the answer you wanted.  tough.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 01:11:12 am
Not the answer you wanted.  tough.

But... perhaps the one I was expecting.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 01:22:13 am
Yeah, they do.  It’s called attempted rape.

I said.when I was young woman and single. it was called, DATING!  I don't care what they call it now.  Attempted means nothing.  THAT IS THE GOAL OF EVERY MAN...ON A DATE.  Attempt to get her into bed.  Have sex with her. Any man says no, is a liar.  Only talking about heterosexual  men & women.  TWO GENDERS.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: corbe on June 22, 2019, 01:36:33 am
I said.when I was young woman and single. it was called, DATING!  I don't care what they call it now.  Attempted means nothing.  THAT IS THE GOAL OF EVERY MAN...ON A DATE.  Attempt to get her into bed.  Have sex with her. Any man says no, is a liar.  Only talking about heterosexual  men & women.  TWO GENDERS.

   If your best Friend told you beforehand 'that he likes to grab p*ssy' would you have decided to Risk it? 
   My guess is Yes, even though your BFF also told you he's a NY Liberal with tiny hands, what's up with that   :shrug:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LMAO on June 22, 2019, 01:48:06 am
Speaking of talking points and virtue signaling...

@txradioguy

 :amen:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2019, 01:55:34 am
Being a fan of Trump makes one a fan of Trump.  It has nothing to do with truth, reality, or logic.

If I were a "fan of Trump" I'd be insulted...good thing I'm not.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2019, 02:15:50 am
If I were a "fan of Trump" I'd be insulted...good thing I'm not.

Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2019, 02:19:32 am
Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?

Can't answer that, sorry!   :tongue2:

The definition of "fan" is a bit greasy, I might add.  We all voted for him.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 22, 2019, 02:35:07 am
Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?
Actually you are a 'fan' of Trump whether you know it or not.
The NeverTrump/Liberal definition of a Trump fan is anyone who does not want to see him and his entire family tortured and executed.
From their perspective, almost everybody on this board is a 'Trump fan'.
In Hollywood, which is the Munich Brown House for Liberalism, so many people have been fired or had their careers destroyed not for supporting Trump, but for simply refusing to condemn him strongly enough to satisfy the Liberal Overlords there.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: corbe on June 22, 2019, 02:52:42 am
Is anyone on TBR's "management team" a "fan of Trump" @Cyber Liberty ?

    I don't think all the h3ll I catch here is due to my sexual stuff. There are definitely Trumpers on the board here @Right_in_Virginia 
   You're just disappointed because all of them aren't, I get that.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 03:02:30 am
Actually you are a 'fan' of Trump whether you know it or not.
The NeverTrump/Liberal definition of a Trump fan is anyone who does not want to see him and his entire family tortured and executed.
From their perspective, almost everybody on this board is a 'Trump fan'.
In Hollywood, which is the Munich Brown House for Liberalism, so many people have been fired or had their careers destroyed not for supporting Trump, but for simply refusing to condemn him strongly enough to satisfy the Liberal Overlords there.

Hogwash.  I understands that some voters dislike both Trump and the rats but dislike the rats more.  I also think Trump has done some good things.  IMO the bad outweighs the good, but that is my opinion.  There are many posters here who express this same sentiment (not Trump fans) and very few that excuse Trump's bad behavior without fail(Trump fans).

I don't know anyone who wants Trump and his entire family tortured and executed.  I only WANT to see Trump impeached and removed from office.  I'll be satisfied with his removal by voters in 2020.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 22, 2019, 03:09:30 am
When I was a single woman, young,  a lot of what women call "rape'..was called dating back then.  ATTEMPTS...DO NOT COUNT!
Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 22, 2019, 03:10:48 am
Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.


 :amen:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 03:44:17 am
David French @DavidAFrench

How many contemporaneously-corroborated reports of sexual assault do Republicans need to read — or tapes bragging about sexual assault do Republicans need to hear — before they understand the president is a likely sex predator?
7:28 PM - 21 Jun 2019


stuart stevens @stuartpstevens

All the Republicans who try to convince themselves that their favorite piece of legislation justifies their role in helping normalize sexual assault of women are the same Republicans who say they fight the culture wars because culture defines a society.

8:35 PM - 21 Jun 2019
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 04:46:51 am
Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s

Quote from: LegalAmerican on June 21, 2019, 08:45:07 PM

When I was a single woman, young,  a lot of what women call "rape'..was called dating back then.  ATTEMPTS...DO NOT COUNT!

JJJU;   
Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.


You have lost your mind! 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: LegalAmerican on June 22, 2019, 04:52:28 am
Yes, they do, and you should be banned from this forum and any other one for your advocacy for sexual assault. You have let your shilling blind you to evil.


You have lost your mind.  I am talking about what it was like, when I was YOUNG, AND DATING.  I AM A SENIOR NOW.

MEN ATTEMPTING TO BE AMOROUS WITH WOMEN..IS SEXUAL ASSAULT?   I AM NOT A SHILL.  I am not advocating anything. I am telling you what it was like when I was young.  IT WAS CALLED DATING.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2019, 05:06:28 am

You have lost your mind.  I am talking about what it was like, when I was YOUNG, AND DATING.  I AM A SENIOR NOW.

MEN ATTEMPTING TO BE AMOROUS WITH WOMEN..IS SEXUAL ASSAULT?   I AM NOT A SHILL.  I am not advocating anything. I am telling you what it was like when I was young.  IT WAS CALLED DATING.

Now I understand.  Trump was just "dating" her by pushing her against the wall, ripping her panties off, and stuffing his mushroom in her.  I wonder why she struggled and ran away from their first date?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: FeelNoPain on June 22, 2019, 09:56:47 am
     Why does a man who has had 19+ sexual assault accusations levied against him get the benefit of the doubt? Why does a man who is on tape bragging about grabbing women by their vaginas get the benefit of the doubt? What does a man who cheated on three wives--including with a porn star--get the benefit of the doubt?
    Why does a man who is on tape bragging about purposefully walking in on underaged teens while they were dressing for pageants get the benefit of the doubt? Why does a man who uses his convict consigliere to secure lurid photographs to “persuade” the Falwells to endorse him get the benefit of the doubt?
    Why does a man who has spent his adult life willfully and knowingly consorting with sentient sewage such as Pecker, Epstein, Manafort, Stone, Cohn, et al, get the benefit of the doubt?

  "JuDgeS, tAx CuTS, NoT HIlLArY!"

  I hope his defenders keep that same energy if it happens to a daughter, granddaughter, niece, woman they love.

  I don't need to lose the presidency and the senate in order to see the true cost of supporting such a man.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 22, 2019, 11:54:17 am

You have lost your mind.  I am talking about what it was like, when I was YOUNG, AND DATING.  I AM A SENIOR NOW.

MEN ATTEMPTING TO BE AMOROUS WITH WOMEN..IS SEXUAL ASSAULT?   I AM NOT A SHILL.  I am not advocating anything. I am telling you what it was like when I was young.  IT WAS CALLED DATING.


Your condition is no longer harmless and amusing.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2019, 01:54:51 pm
June 22, 2019
Notes from a 1990s Bergdorf shopaholic: The E. Jean Carroll story about Trump doesn't add up
By Monica Showalter

Advice columnist E. Jean Carroll is selling a book of her steamy sexual misadventures and sure enough, there's a story about how Donald Trump, circa 1995 or 1996, raped the writer in the dressing room of the Bergdorf Goodman department store in New York, a pretty extreme charge buried under a big pile of stories about men who supposedly exploited her, seemingly with her clumsy assent. The Trump administration has denied the whole thing as "completely false."

I find it hard to believe. Carroll does name a long string of men who exploited her one way or another, and some of them are #metoo poster boys, such as Les Moonves, for whom it's easy to be believed about a groping in an elevator, which may well have happened. The earlier charges against Moonves were fairly substantiated. But Trump's been accused of sexual misbehavior, too, often just bad talk, not acts, and there's never been any substantiation. That also makes him an easy target of accusations for the purpose of piling on and selling books as well. Trump himself points out that she is out to sell a book, which might explain why she never made the charges even in the heat of the election back when everyone was trying to take him down or the bitter aftermath.

Carroll describes Trump as all handsome and confident in her 1996 Bergdorf's encounter. That's pretty questionable, actually. Trump was a billionaire on the outs at the time. He was bankrupt, and far from looking all handsome as she described, he looked shambling and seedy in 1996, according to this account of a 1996 encounter with Trump by far more credible writer Mark Bowden. Trump was having money troubles. Would someone like that have gone all criminally violent with some woman he didn't know to add to his legal troubles? I find it hard to believe - he wasn't bulletproof financially at the time. And would Carroll have been the woman he would choose? He was buying beauty contests at the time. The women he was interested in then were young models and beauty queens. Carroll is a nice-looking woman - this photo below shows her about a decade older than she would have been for the encounter with Trump, but she's not beauty contest material at that age. She looks like a wealthy housewife. Would Carroll have been the woman Trump would have found irresistable? Color me a little skeptical. I know a woman that Trump flirted with in 1996 who was quite a bit younger. She sent me emails about it because she was disgusted that he was married, but all the same, he never went beyond flirting; flirtaciousness was actually his limit for those not giving him any encouragement.

more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/notes_from_a_1990s_bergdorf_shopaholic_the_e_jean_carroll_story_about_trump_doesnt_add_up.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/notes_from_a_1990s_bergdorf_shopaholic_the_e_jean_carroll_story_about_trump_doesnt_add_up.html)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 02:05:51 pm
Now I understand.  Trump was just "dating" her by pushing her against the wall, ripping her panties off, and stuffing his mushroom in her.  I wonder why she struggled and ran away from their first date?

I wonder why she can't seem to recall the exact date .... or year... in which this supposedly occurred. 

You are apparently much more gullible than I previously suspected.   happy77
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bigun on June 22, 2019, 02:09:35 pm
I wonder why she can't seem to recall the exact date .... or year... in which this supposedly occurred. 

You are apparently much more gullible than I previously suspected.   happy77

Nope!  A democrat troll!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: roamer_1 on June 22, 2019, 02:15:17 pm
     Why does a man who has had 19+ sexual assault accusations levied against him get the benefit of the doubt?

To be fair and consistent, PROOF.

And believe me, I am no fan.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: FeelNoPain on June 22, 2019, 02:26:52 pm
To be fair and consistent, PROOF.


Exactly. Trump has a verifiable history of being a prolific liar.

Why would I take his word at anything, much less over the word of more than 19 women? Are they all prolific liars?

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: roamer_1 on June 22, 2019, 02:32:15 pm
Exactly. Trump has a verifiable history of being a prolific liar.

Why would I take his word at anything, much less over the word of more than 19 women? Are they all prolific liars?

I know he's a prolific liar. And I know he is a cad.

But accusations require PROOF.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Victoria33 on June 22, 2019, 02:41:55 pm
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak

We are grown-ups here and we know the human body has certain parts for reproduction.  No rape happened - consider the physics of it: let's set the stage:
She says he was dressed in a business suit, plus had on an overcoat.  She had a coat on, too.  She went into a dressing room with him to try on a piece of see-through lingerie.  That in itself is pretty dumb - she was going to undress and try on this while he was in there with her?

The physics problem:
He is holding her against the wall while she is trying to get away.  While he has her pinned against the wall, he manages to, at the same time, push away his coat, unzip his pants, take his penis out from his shorts, bring it to the outside, while still keeping her pinned against the wall, get through her coat, pull down her tights, and insert his penis in her.

The above could not happen unless she was still, letting him do that, agreeing to do it.  She is totally dumb to write it that way, expecting people to believe that.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2019, 02:51:49 pm
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak

We are grown-ups here and we know the human body has certain parts for reproduction.  No rape happened - consider the physics of it: let's set the stage:
She says he was dressed in a business suit, plus had on an overcoat.  She had a coat on, too.  She went into a dressing room with him to try on a piece of see-through lingerie.  That in itself is pretty dumb - she was going to undress and try on this while he was in there with her?

The physics problem:
He is holding her against the wall while she is trying to get away.  While he has her pinned against the wall, he manages to, at the same time, push away his coat, unzip his pants, take his penis out from his shorts, bring it to the outside, while still keeping her pinned against the wall, get through her coat, pull down her tights, and insert his penis in her.

The above could not happen unless she was still, letting him do that, agreeing to do it.  She is totally dumb to write it that way, expecting people to believe that.

Exactly right...

One thing we have learned with this *#metoo* movement is that some women lie..ie Kavanaugh hearings
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 22, 2019, 02:52:53 pm
@FeelNoPain

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm not defending Trump.  I am, however, questioning the veracity of this woman's story.  Just because Trump is a known and admitted womanizer does not automatically mean that this story is true. 

I used to work for lawyers, principally in defending civil litigation.  In civil cases as well as criminal, a party just can't make a claim against someone and expect the court to take his or her word for it.  The claimant needs proof.  Now Miss Carroll is not taking Trump to court, but she is making a claim and after having worked for lawyers for so long, I find I just can't believe a claim like this without something to back it up. 

It appears that Miss Carroll has nothing to support her claim.  No witnesses.  No physical evidence.  Not even a criminal complaint filed.  Oh, she says she told some friends at the time the incident allegedly occurred.  But telling one's friends does not constitute evidence.  Those friends can only say she told them; they were not present to actually witness the alleged incident. 

This claim is much like the ones brought against Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh.  I really didn't know Kavanaugh and I wasn't a fan of Moore, but I still had to question those flimsy claims made against them.  I sure as hell don't like Trump, but I will do the same for him.  There is a paternity suit pending against Biden's son.  I don't support Biden or any Democrat, but I'm not going to believe that claim either unless the  plaintiff provides evidence sufficient to win her case (or to effect a settlement).  To me, this is the right thing to do. 

Hope the above clarifies things a little.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2019, 03:07:43 pm
@FeelNoPain

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'm not defending Trump.  I am, however, questioning the veracity of this woman's story.  Just because Trump is a known and admitted womanizer does not automatically mean that this story is true. 

I used to work for lawyers, principally in defending civil litigation.  In civil cases as well as criminal, a party just can't make a claim against someone and expect the court to take his or her word for it.  The claimant needs proof.  Now Miss Carroll is not taking Trump to court, but she is making a claim and after having worked for lawyers for so long, I find I just can't believe a claim like this without something to back it up. 

It appears that Miss Carroll has nothing to support her claim.  No witnesses.  No physical evidence.  Not even a criminal complaint filed.  Oh, she says she told some friends at the time the incident allegedly occurred.  But telling one's friends does not constitute evidence.  Those friends can only say she told them; they were not present to actually witness the alleged incident. 

This claim is much like the ones brought against Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh.  I really didn't know Kavanaugh and I wasn't a fan of Moore, but I still had to question those flimsy claims made against them.  I sure as hell don't like Trump, but I will do the same for him.  There is a paternity suit pending against Biden's son.  I don't support Biden or any Democrat, but I'm not going to believe that claim either unless the  plaintiff provides evidence sufficient to win her case (or to effect a settlement).  To me, this is the right thing to do. 

Hope the above clarifies things a little.

Well said!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: FeelNoPain on June 22, 2019, 03:10:10 pm
I know he's a prolific liar. And I know he is a cad.

But accusations require PROOF.
Understood. We all make our own judgments.

 For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.

 A narcissistic man being on tape admitting to not having sovereignty over his predatory sexual urges ("You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the p---y. You can do anything.) is proof to me.

I'm sure if Ivanka or Tiffany told POTUS about a man taking such liberties with one of them, he would believe them immediately without requiring further proof. Yet, we're supposed to believe all these women are lying. It defies credulity.

Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 22, 2019, 03:26:32 pm
@Victoria33

For your Nobel Prize in Rape Physics.



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Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2019, 03:28:44 pm
Understood. We all make our own judgments.

 For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.

 A narcissistic man being on tape admitting to not having sovereignty over his predatory sexual urges ("You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the p---y. You can do anything.) is proof to me.

I'm sure if Ivanka or Tiffany told POTUS about a man taking such liberties with one of them, he would believe them immediately without requiring further proof. Yet, we're supposed to believe all these women are lying. It defies credulity.

Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.

@FeelNoPain testing ping
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 03:59:26 pm
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak

We are grown-ups here and we know the human body has certain parts for reproduction.  No rape happened - consider the physics of it: let's set the stage:
She says he was dressed in a business suit, plus had on an overcoat.  She had a coat on, too.  She went into a dressing room with him to try on a piece of see-through lingerie.  That in itself is pretty dumb - she was going to undress and try on this while he was in there with her?

The physics problem:
He is holding her against the wall while she is trying to get away.  While he has her pinned against the wall, he manages to, at the same time, push away his coat, unzip his pants, take his penis out from his shorts, bring it to the outside, while still keeping her pinned against the wall, get through her coat, pull down her tights, and insert his penis in her.

The above could not happen unless she was still, letting him do that, agreeing to do it.  She is totally dumb to write it that way, expecting people to believe that.

I totally agree.

Add to that.... a billionaire playboy, used to being around models and pageant contestants... going to all that trouble .... over someone like Carroll.... in a public place?   Nah.   She has illusions of grandeur (everybody wants or lusts after her)... like a typical leftie.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 04:04:32 pm
Exactly. Trump has a verifiable history of being a prolific liar.

Why would I take his word at anything, much less over the word of more than 19 women? Are they all prolific liars?

Um... if you have never heard of politically motivated accusations in or (especially) approaching an election year....

and if you are ignorant of past history of these exact same type of accusations having worked splendidly (See:  Herman Cain, for one.  Attempted against Kavanaugh) due to stuckonstupid folks that are either just that naive or that want to believe the lies....

then I don't know what to tell ya.

Bottom line... lefties lie.   All the damned time.  And they don't even really need a motive.   It's just how they roll.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2019, 04:14:54 pm
I totally agree.

Add to that.... a billionaire playboy, used to being around models and pageant contestants... going to all that trouble .... over someone like Carroll.... in a public place?   Nah.   She has illusions of grandeur (everybody wants or lusts after her)... like a typical leftie.

Exactly, I would think a billionaire being near women, often attractive types might catch a few gold diggers.

New Yorker mag has some very leftwing and Democratic leanings from what I have seen about them. For years, they had good cartoons and were possibly somewhat mainstream but this seems to be a different time. I don't really know, I've never really read it but some good cartoons through 80 years or however old it is.

(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/archive/2011/08/1_123125_123050_2279896_2300573_2302170_3_lineup.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: FeelNoPain on June 22, 2019, 04:18:07 pm


Bottom line... lefties lie.   All the damned time.  And they don't even really need a motive.   It's just how they roll.

So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.

And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: skeeter on June 22, 2019, 04:20:47 pm
Um... if you have never heard of politically motivated accusations in or (especially) approaching an election year....

and if you are ignorant of past history of these exact same type of accusations having worked splendidly (See:  Herman Cain, for one.  Attempted against Kavanaugh) due to stuckonstupid folks that are either just that naive or that want to believe the lies....

then I don't know what to tell ya.

Bottom line... lefties lie.   All the damned time.  And they don't even really need a motive.   It's just how they roll.

This is about peeling off a bit more of the female vote. Just like the constant (and just as ludicrous) accusations of racism are intended to peel off a few more percentage points of the minority vote.

Its rat political strategy. That should be obvious to even the most dense among us by now.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2019, 04:25:14 pm
So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.

And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?

I may not like Trump at all, but I don't let that cloud my judgement on whether or not an accusation is true.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 04:25:37 pm
So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.

And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?

Especially considering the timing....

it ain't rocket science to deduce what their leanings and motivations are.  Well... maybe it is to some folks.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 04:29:45 pm
This is about peeling off a bit more of the female vote. Just like the constant (and just as ludicrous) accusations of racism are intended to peel off a few more percentage points of the minority vote.

Its rat political strategy. That should be obvious to even the most dense among us by now.

It's another facet of their usual tactics.... ie throwing enough crap against the wall and hoping some of it sticks... enough to throw a shadow of doubt and cloud over the targeted Republican's candidacy that will cause voters to NOT vote for them.  As for that "dense" factor.... I suspect most of it is sheer hatred of Trump.  They've lost their ability to reason because of it.  (my guess)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2019, 04:31:02 pm
Understood. We all make our own judgments.

 For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.

 A narcissistic man being on tape admitting to not having sovereignty over his predatory sexual urges ("You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the p---y. You can do anything.) is proof to me.

I'm sure if Ivanka or Tiffany told POTUS about a man taking such liberties with one of them, he would believe them immediately without requiring further proof. Yet, we're supposed to believe all these women are lying. It defies credulity.

Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.

You also surmised that Trump would not be popular with blacks, especially black women because of activism in bringing birtherism up in 2011, 2012. I think that is unreasonable and also, may well indicate a hostility towards Trump to begin with.

The things said about Trump, "Trump is a racist", "Trump is a narcissist", "Trump is a warmonger", "Trump is a liar"... it's crying wolf too often.

Males, even in this forum, have said outrageous things. I don't put much importance on a privately recorded conversation.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: skeeter on June 22, 2019, 04:31:04 pm
It's another facet of their usual tactics.... ie throwing enough crap against the wall and hoping some of it sticks... enough to throw a shadow of doubt and cloud over the targeted Republican's candidacy that will cause voters to NOT vote for them.  As for that "dense" factor.... I suspect most of it is sheer hatred of Trump.  They've lost their ability to reason because of it.  (my guess)

Rats gave up running on the actual issues years ago.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bill Cipher on June 22, 2019, 04:31:23 pm
I said.when I was young woman and single. it was called, DATING!  I don't care what they call it now.  Attempted means nothing.  THAT IS THE GOAL OF EVERY MAN...ON A DATE.  Attempt to get her into bed.  Have sex with her. Any man says no, is a liar.  Only talking about heterosexual  men & women.  TWO GENDERS.

yOU aRE sO cLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 04:39:03 pm
Rats gave up running on the actual issues years ago.

And what choice did they have?  Their "real issues" are constant losers.... and economy-killers.  Anti-American all the way.   And now... they've dropped all pretense and are out of the commie closet (thanks, Donald!).   They're full-blown anti-capitalists ... just as they have acted in the past (parroting CPUSA) and just as most of us on the right have always suspected.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2019, 04:39:24 pm
I fail to understand how credence is given to a lunatic woman who had her first rape fantasy at the age of 7 and includes it in an article subtitled "My List of Hideous Men" emblazed on the cover of a national magazine from her soon to be released book: "What do we need men for?"

This article is written and published not a full year after the #poundmetoo movement put every male child, teenager, adult and octogenarian in the feminist crosshairs; and not a full year after demands were made on Kavanaugh to prove he did not participate in fabricated gang rapes, apparently up and down the Eastern seaboard.  And yet so many here embrace this bullshit.

Let's face is:  Sexual allegations are the conservatives' political Kryptonite --- and the script writing is becoming more and more vile ---- because each must outdo the one before.

This woman should be shunned as a malicious liar; just as a sex for hire porn "star" should have been.  Just as all the women with newly found memories of moments so horrible it took three decades to "process" them.

These activists are not just coming for political officeholders, they're coming for your fathers, brothers, husbands, sons, nephews, grandsons and friends.  And unless this bullshit is stopped now, at least one of yours WILL pay the price.

Oh, and let me add the obligatory tagline that's needed around here for some sort of credibility:  I'm not defending Trump.  I'm just saying this freak should be deemed believable by the folks around here only if she had claimed to be abducted by aliens.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2019, 04:40:50 pm
Democrats, historically, the party of the Klan, of Jim Crow, of slavery, of infanticide, late term abortion. They'll try anything and the New Yorker has certainly shown itself to be friendly to leftist interests.  I mean, if we are card stacking, why not?

Controlled by puppetmasters like Planned Parenthood who abort about a 3rd, maybe up to a half of all black babies.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2019, 04:43:37 pm
Grab'em by the _____.

But it will be greeted with yawns, victim shaming and the usual pooh-poohs from the Sycophant Caucus who I apparently can no longer mention by name. You know who you are, shills.

@jmyrlefuller

Wassamadda bay-bay? Things not going your way? People harshing your Bush-Buzz?

You poor thing!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2019, 04:45:13 pm
It's not like she's the first.

@jmyrlefuller

Well,it IS  a pleasant break from watching a president swap spit with Saudi princes and kings.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2019, 04:47:28 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9mTZIiWwAEhk6K.jpg)

@EdJames

Must have been a BIG "Red Letter Day" on her calendar if she can still remember what she was wearing 23 years later,and still has the clothes.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2019, 04:52:45 pm
Is that what his problem is?

I couldn't figure out why the 100% bitterness all of the time....

 :shrug:

@EdJames

Hidden jealousy combined with guilt makes the bitter brew and perk.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 22, 2019, 04:53:52 pm
Let's face it:  Sexual allegations are the conservatives' political Kryptonite --- and the script writing is becoming more and more vile ---- because each must outdo the one before.


Well, good news, then. Trump isn’t a conservative (you’ve even said so) and he’s been part of so many actual sleazy things, he’s immune to new accusations, true or not.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 22, 2019, 05:01:13 pm
So does Trump. All the damn time--it's just how he rolls. And he does have a motive.

And I don't know the political leanings of all the women (and their corroborating witnesses) who have accused him. Do you?

Ahem....

https://www.weaselzippers.us/423979-accuser-e-jean-carroll-virulently-anti-trump-pro-hillary-posed-question-about-how-trump-could-be-taken-down/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/423979-accuser-e-jean-carroll-virulently-anti-trump-pro-hillary-posed-question-about-how-trump-could-be-taken-down/)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2019, 05:05:11 pm
Quote
Jon Levine
Verified accountï‚™ @LevineJonathan 

E. Jean Carroll tells @Lawrence that she will not seek rape charges against Donald Trump because it would be "disrespectful" to women at the boarder "who are being raped around the clock"

Video at link:  https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1142267665081425920

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2019, 05:06:50 pm
All

Don't turn this thread into personal attacks and insults....this can be discussed without them...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2019, 05:11:40 pm
All

Don't turn this thread into personal attacks and insults....this can be discussed without them...

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2019, 06:06:26 pm

E. Jean Carroll tells @Lawrence that she will not seek rape charges against Donald Trump because it would be "disrespectful" to women at the boarder "who are being raped around the clock"


@Right_in_Virginia

AND because she has already used it to hype up her upcoming book sales,so there is nothing more to be gained.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bill Cipher on June 22, 2019, 06:13:08 pm


In other words, she won’t because she knows they aren’t true.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 22, 2019, 06:26:56 pm
@FeelNoPain

Quote
For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me. For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.

And here's the thing -- again, going back to my experience with lawyers -- the sheer number of similar accusations does not mean this accusation -- or any or all of the others -- are necessarily true.  In a number of these situations, there is a certain "piling on."  I suspected in Justice Kavanaugh's and Roy Moore's situations, someone or some entity organized and bankrolled the effort to bring in multiple women to make similar claims.  I believe in Roy Moore's case, at least one of his accusers didn't have the proverbial pot to *bleep* in.  Yet, she had some high-priced, well known lawyer at her side.  So who paid for that lawyer?  I doubt very much it was the accuser and I doubt the lawyer worked for free.

Motivation behind these stories has been mentioned.  In Kavanaugh's and Moore's cases, it likely was political.  Maybe it was here too.  In addition, Miss Carroll has a book to sell.  Before I believe any of these accusers, I would want to know what, if anything, they have to gain by coming forward now.

Yes, some stories may be true.  You mentioned Bill Cosby.  He was convicted in one case, so I would accept that the charges made in that case were true.  But that doesn't mean the others are true too.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2019, 06:31:47 pm
In other words, she won’t because she knows they aren’t true.

Yup. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: roamer_1 on June 23, 2019, 12:04:28 am
Understood. We all make our own judgments.

 For me, Nineteen separate women who don't know each other (and don't know about the other incidents) telling dozens of contemporary witnesses at the time of the alleged incidents is proof enough for me.

[...]

Cosby, Weinstein, Clinton, Trump---it's just too many women saying the same thing. I believe the women.

@FeelNoPain
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.

Anyone can accuse, with any sort of motive.
That is why accusations require proof. PERIOD.

And that I have to rise to defend this scurrilous bastard is beyond damn ugly.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 23, 2019, 09:53:52 am
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.


Maybe I’m forgetting something, but IIRC, the Cruz allegations were made by the Enquirer and denied by the women. We now know where AMI stands, after the Cohen conviction.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bill Cipher on June 23, 2019, 11:07:07 am
@FeelNoPain
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.

Anyone can accuse, with any sort of motive.
That is why accusations require proof. PERIOD.

And that I have to rise to defend this scurrilous bastard is beyond damn ugly.  *****rollingeyes*****

Nonsense.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 23, 2019, 11:53:55 am
Definitely a dangerous precedent, especially when Democrats are involved, to say that the number of accusers must equate to guilt by default even in the absence of any proof at all. Since Democrats have no honor, no ethics, no dignity at all, and since they have no problem at all with lying to further their goals and agendas, Democrats can rally a hundred unrelated people in a single day to accuse a Republican of anything. It would be no problem at all for them. And because the Democrats essentially own the American Legal System almost in full, the fake accusers would be guaranteed that nothing will ever happen to them even if they are caught for perjury.

If we start going by the number of accusers instead of factual proof, then the Legal System becomes obsolete. Especially since these accusations are coming from up to half a century in the past.

She claims to be upset and all that, but I call bullshit. If Donald Trump was not POTUS, she would never have said a word about whatever it is she claims as her story. It is much more likely that she is doing this for fame and publicity than it is that she has an actual grievance.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 23, 2019, 11:56:40 am
@Right_in_Virginia

AND because she has already used it to hype up her upcoming book sales,so there is nothing more to be gained.

And because there is no evidence.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: DCPatriot on June 23, 2019, 01:08:20 pm
All

Don't turn this thread into personal attacks and insults....this can be discussed without them...

(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65149766_10156942416210546_5543941711207596032_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQlAxs9dY3bvpkKHgXW_z5A9Z29Vu1U3C872HuFuCIoXLV4UCKvkFUIMk4TiFInNyEw&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=27879868ef72cb6106b150b4c38c9cdf&oe=5D78A8F8)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mountaineer on June 23, 2019, 01:55:00 pm
Still wrapping my mind around "famed."  :pondering:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 23, 2019, 02:11:08 pm
George Conway says new rape allegation against Trump 'is more credible' than Juanita Broaddrick

“Republicans or conservatives who promoted Broaddrick’s charges would be hypocritical if they fail to champion Carroll and condemn Trump,” Conway, lawyer and husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, wrote in an op-ed published by The Washington Post on Saturday.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449866-george-conway-says-new-rape-allegation-against-trump-is-more-credible


Not a Trump fan at all, but Conway should leave this alone.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 23, 2019, 02:17:08 pm
Still wrapping my mind around "famed."  :pondering:


Famed, like Pauline Phillips.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 23, 2019, 03:06:02 pm
@FeelNoPain
Then you'll also have to 'believe the women' in the cases of Kavanaugh, Cruz, and Moore, to use the same standard.

Anyone can accuse, with any sort of motive.
That is why accusations require proof. PERIOD.

And that I have to rise to defend this scurrilous bastard is beyond damn ugly.  *****rollingeyes*****

That is why we don't appreciate being called "fans of Trump"... just because we are and always have been "fans of Truth".  Right?  lol
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 23, 2019, 03:40:16 pm
Still wrapping my mind around "famed."  :pondering:

Yeah, I had to look her up.  Evidently, she's a fashionista.  That explains why I never heard of her.  Especially since I retired, I dress like a homeless person.  Actually never cared about fashion.  I just wanted to be comfortable. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: catfish1957 on June 23, 2019, 03:47:22 pm
This is why I like Pence so much.  Impeccable reputation.  He won't even meet privately with another women.

Versus Trump and Clinton who have an endless trail of Bimbo eruptions as time passes.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 23, 2019, 03:56:10 pm
This is why I like Pence so much.  Impeccable reputation.  He won't even meet privately with another women.

Versus Trump and Clinton who have an endless trail of Bimbo eruptions as time passes.

You're counting on that to save him?  Really?  You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment.   These shrews on the left need no justification or basis in reality for making their scurrilous accusations against anyone on the right.  JS...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: catfish1957 on June 23, 2019, 04:03:37 pm
You're counting on that to save him?  Really?  You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment.   These shrews on the left need no justification or basis in reality for making their scurrilous accusations against anyone on the right.  JS...

Yes true, but I am pretty sure that any wild accusation against Pence will teflon off.   Enough of the media, and public at large undertand Pence, and any wild accusation will laughed off as not credible.

DJT OTOH,  :thud:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: roamer_1 on June 23, 2019, 09:47:04 pm
That is why we don't appreciate being called "fans of Trump"... just because we are and always have been "fans of Truth".  Right?  lol

That's right
 :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 24, 2019, 12:40:08 pm
The things said about Trump, "Trump is a racist", "Trump is a narcissist", "Trump is a warmonger", "Trump is a liar"... it's crying wolf too often.

Males, even in this forum, have said outrageous things. I don't put much importance on a privately recorded conversation.
What would it take, then? It seems you wouldn't put much importance in anything that discredits Donald Trump.

After all, you're still rehashing Ben Carson over and over again.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 24, 2019, 01:40:11 pm
CNN anchor to E. Jean Carroll: 'Could there be any DNA' from Trump on dress?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-anchor-to-e-jean-carroll-could-there-be-any-dna-from-trump-on-dress (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-anchor-to-e-jean-carroll-could-there-be-any-dna-from-trump-on-dress)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 24, 2019, 01:50:19 pm
Yes true, but I am pretty sure that any wild accusation against Pence will teflon off.   Enough of the media, and public at large undertand Pence, and any wild accusation will laughed off as not credible.

DJT OTOH,  :thud:

Well.... they went after Clarence Thomas, too.....and he was and is no DJT.   He had an impeccable record, like Pence.

They'll go after ANYONE on the right.   Count on it.  The thing about Pence is... they hate his guts because he has kept a clean slate.  They really hate that....lol.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: rustynail on June 24, 2019, 01:50:40 pm
The walls are closing in.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 24, 2019, 01:55:55 pm
CNN anchor to E. Jean Carroll: 'Could there be any DNA' from Trump on dress?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-anchor-to-e-jean-carroll-could-there-be-any-dna-from-trump-on-dress (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-anchor-to-e-jean-carroll-could-there-be-any-dna-from-trump-on-dress)

Imaginary DNA.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: aligncare on June 24, 2019, 02:56:12 pm
This story is so fishy Red Lobster is thinking of putting it on the menu.

Look, she was fifty-two when the supposed “attack” took place. At that time, the mid-nineties, Donald Trump was chasing after gorgeous young women. I’m sure the second Trump saw this middle aged, frumpy, librarian-type woman, he lost all control and just threw her against the changing room wall.  *****rollingeyes*****

By the way, none of the employees working at Bergdorf Goodman at the time ever recalled seeing Donald Trump come in to that store. The Donald, who was so big in the media at the time, making an appearance would have stood out in anyone’s memory. She a desperate author looking for attention in advance of her book release.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 24, 2019, 03:16:27 pm
This story is so fishy Red Lobster is thinking of putting it on the menu.

Look, she was fifty-two when the supposed “attack” took place. At that time, the mid-nineties, Donald Trump was chasing after gorgeous young women. I’m sure the second Trump saw this middle aged, frumpy, librarian-type woman, he lost all control and just threw her against the changing room wall.  *****rollingeyes*****

By the way, none of the employees working at Bergdorf Goodman at the time ever recalled seeing Donald Trump come in to that store. The Donald, who was so big in the media at the time, making an appearance would have stood out in anyone’s memory. She a desperate author looking for attention in advance of her book release.

Which is exactly why she can't seem to recall the exact date (or season) it supposedly happened, yet kept the outfit for 23 years in her closet, unworn again.  Yeah... right.  Just like C. Ballsey Ford, giving an exact date would allow folks to refute their BS.  Can't have that.   
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 24, 2019, 03:35:13 pm
@aligncare

I think it's ridiculous that a 50-something year old woman would go somewhere private with a man -- in this case, a dressing room? -- and not expect him to take advantage of her.  It might be different if she was a teenager or some airheaded bimbo, but at that age and with a university education?  Like I said before, if this incident did happen, she was either drunk, high or stupid. 

But there are so many holes in her story, I'm betting it's a complete fabrication.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 24, 2019, 03:39:10 pm
It is a pretty grim comment on our society that she can come out with a farcical tale like this, clearly coupled with her new book's debut, and is taken seriously by most of the media....

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 24, 2019, 03:57:00 pm
It is a pretty grim comment on our society that she can come out with a farcical tale like this, clearly coupled with her new book's debut, and is taken seriously by most of the media....

 :shrug:

...and a few people here.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Bigun on June 24, 2019, 04:05:45 pm
It is a pretty grim comment on our society that she can come out with a farcical tale like this, clearly coupled with her new book's debut, and is taken seriously by most of the media....

 :shrug:

 :amen:  and some continue to fall for this BS hook, line, and sinker!
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 24, 2019, 11:18:04 pm
:amen:  and some continue to fall for this BS hook, line, and sinker!

@Bigun

Naw,they don't really believe it. They just get wood at the thought of anything negative said about Trump. These people are the morality police,so don't expect logic or intelligence to be at play in anything they say.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 25, 2019, 12:25:29 am
'She's not my type': Trump denies E. Jean Carroll's rape allegations
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shes-not-my-type-trump-denies-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegations (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shes-not-my-type-trump-denies-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegations)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 25, 2019, 12:29:50 am
'She's not my type': Trump denies E. Jean Carroll's rape allegations
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shes-not-my-type-trump-denies-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegations (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/shes-not-my-type-trump-denies-e-jean-carrolls-rape-allegations)

OFFS...that's the absolute wrong thing to say.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: mystery-ak on June 25, 2019, 01:34:03 am
Trump accuser: 'I love that I'm not his type'
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/450139-trump-accuser-i-love-that-im-not-his-type
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 25, 2019, 02:08:07 am
She just left Anderson Cooper speechless saying that "rape is sexy".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/06/24/rape-is-sexy-anderson-cooper-at-a-loss-for-words-during-his-interview-of-e-jean-carroll/
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 25, 2019, 02:25:09 am
OFFS...that's the absolute wrong thing to say.  **nononono*

Absolutely. ‘I would definitely rape her if she was my type’ is the interpretation you get from that.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 25, 2019, 02:57:20 am
Why are we still talking about this 75 year old with a dusty and unused vagina who made up a story about something that never happened to her 52 year old dried up vagina?

Good grief.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: edpc on June 25, 2019, 03:02:23 am
Why are we still talking about this 75 year old with a dusty and unused vagina who made up a story about something that never happened to her 52 year old dried up vagina?

Good grief.


If you’re with a 52 year old woman and she’s dried up, that’s your fault.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 25, 2019, 03:04:25 am

If you’re with a 52 year old woman and she’s dried up, that’s your fault.

No.  That is her fault.  And it was.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 25, 2019, 03:17:26 am
Yea, sure, and Trump raped me too in 1975. Why not?
I wonder if this woman knows or cares how much irreparable damage she is doing to all women with this obvious publicity stunt to sell books.

The #MeToo movement is going to be derailed because of her. Just so possibly she can make a few extra dollars. That is despicable beyond words.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 25, 2019, 03:19:02 am
Rape is sexy.

Anderson Cooper cuts to commercial after E. Jean Carroll calls rape 'sexy'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cooper-cuts-interview-short-after-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cooper-cuts-interview-short-after-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 25, 2019, 03:40:35 am
Really wish Trump would just say nothing.  His supporters don't believe this woman's story.  Even a number of us non-fans don't believe her claim.  And as she makes the rounds of talk shows saying stupid stuff, I suspect she and her bogus claim will be forgotten very soon.   The more Trump responds to this nonsense, the more he says things that make him look bad.  Let her do the talking.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 25, 2019, 03:57:36 am
Really wish Trump would just say nothing.  His supporters don't believe this woman's story.  Even a number of us non-fans don't believe her claim.  And as she makes the rounds of talk shows saying stupid stuff, I suspect she and her bogus claim will be forgotten very soon.   The more Trump responds to this nonsense, the more he says things that make him look bad.  Let her do the talking.
That has been Trump's curse since day one. He simply does not know when to shut the hell up. In his first year, countless no-name comedians and D-list level actors were tweeting pure crap with the specific goal of irritating Trump. They were praying to God that he would respond to them just for the free publicity. And many times he did?

It may Bush backlash? Bush never responded to anything at all no matter what. So, now Trump responds to everything no matter how ridiculous. Many of us here have said that Trump should filter his tweets through his communication team. But he refuses, and we all see the results of Trumps refusal to rein himself in and let professional people help him.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 25, 2019, 12:58:59 pm
I wonder if this woman knows or cares how much irreparable damage she is doing to all women with this obvious publicity stunt to sell books.

The #MeToo movement is going to be derailed because of her. Just so possibly she can make a few extra dollars. That is despicable beyond words.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Trump himself is behind this to delegitimize the women who he actually assaulted. He always was of the "any publicity is good publicity" camp and is known to have taken some weird maneuvers to hide his sexual activity, such as the Cohen payoffs.

What better way to make oneself look innocent than to clandestinely bring out a fake accuser whose case is so flimsy it brings everyone else's into doubt?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 25, 2019, 01:42:02 pm
Yea, sure, and Trump raped me too in 1975. Why not?
I wonder if this woman knows or cares how much irreparable damage she is doing to all women with this obvious publicity stunt to sell books.

The #MeToo movement is going to be derailed because of her. Just so possibly she can make a few extra dollars. That is despicable beyond words.

@240B

If the left truly cared...they'd have stopped with Anita Hill.


However...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: goatprairie on June 25, 2019, 02:02:14 pm
That has been Trump's curse since day one. He simply does not know when to shut the hell up. In his first year, countless no-name comedians and D-list level actors were tweeting pure crap with the specific goal of irritating Trump. They were praying to God that he would respond to them just for the free publicity. And many times he did?

It may Bush backlash? Bush never responded to anything at all no matter what. So, now Trump responds to everything no matter how ridiculous. Many of us here have said that Trump should filter his tweets through his communication team. But he refuses, and we all see the results of Trumps refusal to rein himself in and let professional people help him.
Unless he responded and I didn't hear about it, but I believe Trump said nothing when Marshall  Mathers aka Eminem tried to rile him up. For some reason Trump never said anything....which was the best thing. I'm sure Eminem was trying to provoke him to boost sagging record sales.
But I agree....Trump should quit responding to the ankle biters. Let them drift away into obscurity.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 25, 2019, 02:27:36 pm
Unless he responded and I didn't hear about it, but I believe Trump said nothing when Marshall  Mathers aka Eminem tried to rile him up. For some reason Trump never said anything....which was the best thing. I'm sure Eminem was trying to provoke him to boost sagging record sales.
But I agree....Trump should quit responding to the ankle biters. Let them drift away into obscurity.

He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  Example: if he said something flip like "Nice try, no ceegar"... they'd be accusing him of collusion with Cuba.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 25, 2019, 02:45:41 pm
He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  Example: if he said something flip like "Nice try, no ceegar"... they'd be accusing him of collusion with Cuba.   :shrug:

I tend to agree.  I'm afraid social media is what is now, and an effective communicator should be proficient at using it. 

Given that Trump's tweets reflect Trump's personality, so if you don't like him, you don't like his tweets.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 25, 2019, 02:46:41 pm
Rape is sexy.

Anderson Cooper cuts to commercial after E. Jean Carroll calls rape 'sexy'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cooper-cuts-interview-short-after-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cooper-cuts-interview-short-after-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy)
Then she said, "Think of all the fantasies!" This clearly implies that she has had sexy rape fantasies. Considering her 'story' about Trump, this certainly does not help her case.

I've heard of women having rape fantasies. But I never thought of it as a common thing, as this woman seems to think it is. I have read many stories of boyfriends getting shot by someone else in the house while they were pretending to rape their girlfriend.

Had a girlfriend once who would always pretend to be a little girl during sex. I went along with it, but in reality it kind of creeped me out. Essentially I had to pretend to be a pedophile, and I was not comfortable with that. Fantasies run the full spectrum of human thought, I guess. You never know what's in your girl's head.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: goatprairie on June 25, 2019, 02:50:20 pm
He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.  Example: if he said something flip like "Nice try, no ceegar"... they'd be accusing him of collusion with Cuba.   :shrug:
All presidents take flak from people.  Some of the people are worth responding to and some aren't.  For the POTUS to respond to every yapping puppy is beneath the office.
He has to learn how to have a tougher skin. Don't get down in the mud with some people. He didn't say anything about Eminem, and the idiot went away. He should try that more often with other morons who try to provoke him.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 25, 2019, 03:06:19 pm
I tend to agree.  I'm afraid social media is what is now, and an effective communicator should be proficient at using it. 

Given that Trump's tweets reflect Trump's personality, so if you don't like him, you don't like his tweets.

It's a mixed bag with Trump.  Some of his tweets are normal and ok.  Others, not so much.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 25, 2019, 03:08:13 pm
All presidents take flak from people.  Some of the people are worth responding to and some aren't.  For the POTUS to respond to every yapping puppy is beneath the office.
He has to learn how to have a tougher skin. Don't get down in the mud with some people. He didn't say anything about Eminem, and the idiot went away. He should try that more often with other morons who try to provoke him.

I agree.  As someone pointed out already, we went from "no response Bush" to "blah blah blah back at every azz on the planet Trump".   There really needs to be a happy (or at least pleasant) medium.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2019, 03:09:01 pm
All presidents take flak from people.  Some of the people are worth responding to and some aren't.  For the POTUS to respond to every yapping puppy is beneath the office.
He has to learn how to have a tougher skin. Don't get down in the mud with some people. He didn't say anything about Eminem, and the idiot went away. He should try that more often with other morons who try to provoke him.

@goatprairie

I agree,but he is not going to do it because this is what he has done his entire life,and he is too old to change now.  Remember,he isn't a professional politician. Once he leaves the White House,his political career is OVER and he goes back to being who and what he was before.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Rivergirl on June 25, 2019, 03:11:06 pm
Not to worry.  She's not his type so it couldn't have happened.
Never mind the teen aged girls who were in their dressing room for the Teen Beauty Pageant who were appalled at his appearing in their dressing room.  Hopefully, most of them weren't his type either.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 25, 2019, 03:16:08 pm
Not to worry.  She's not his type so it couldn't have happened.
Never mind the teen aged girls who were in their dressing room for the Teen Beauty Pageant who were appalled at his appearing in their dressing room.  Hopefully, most of them weren't his type either.

With all due respect here.... being in a pageant, which for most of them is not their first time, is a lot like being a model.   People come and go in the dressing rooms all the time.   You either get used to it or you find another line of work.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2019, 03:22:33 pm
With all due respect here.... being in a pageant, which for most of them is not their first time, is a lot like being a model.   People come and go in the dressing rooms all the time.   You either get used to it or you find another line of work.

@XenaLee

She knows this. She just wants to be able to portray Trump as a perv because he is the evil sob that stole the presidency from her usual suspect RINO.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Rivergirl on June 25, 2019, 05:22:34 pm
@XenaLee

She knows this. She just wants to be able to portray Trump as a perv because he is the evil sob that stole the presidency from her usual suspect RINO.
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.   
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend  the pervert.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 25, 2019, 05:32:40 pm
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.   
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend  the pervert.


oh oh oh I know the answer!!!  :raise hand:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 25, 2019, 05:50:29 pm
With all due respect here.... being in a pageant, which for most of them is not their first time, is a lot like being a model.   People come and go in the dressing rooms all the time.   You either get used to it or you find another line of work.
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.

People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 25, 2019, 05:55:44 pm
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.

People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.

Difference is... you're not involved in the pageant (or modeling) industry.  Trump was.  People involved in the pageant process come and go thru those dressing rooms routinely.  Do they cop a peek?   Hell yeah, no doubt.   Do most of the pageant participants think anything about it?  Hell no.  Just the ones trying to make points with their leftie gods by accusing Trump.  JS...

So no, it's not bullcrap.  It's a fact.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: TomSea on June 25, 2019, 06:11:58 pm
A lot of women speak up as to how genlemanly and polite Trump has been. If you sling mud, at least he should be, could be, can be defended.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 25, 2019, 06:14:31 pm
A lot of women speak up as to how genlemanly and polite Trump has been. If you sling mud, at least he should be, could be, can be defended.

A lot of folks I could reasonably call "Never Trumpers" have been forced to defend the President from this accusation.  That says a lot.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 25, 2019, 06:14:50 pm
A lot of women speak up as to how genlemanly and polite Trump has been. If you sling mud, at least he should be, could be, can be defended.

You know how those mud slingers are, Tommy.....  they've got no scruples....  no scruples I tell ya...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 25, 2019, 06:18:28 pm
You know how those mud slingers are, Tommy.....  they've got no scruples....  no scruples I tell ya...

...while declaring they have more scruples than anybody else.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Applewood on June 25, 2019, 06:32:04 pm
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.

People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.

Well, I'm not excusing Trump.  Just looking at this woman's story and not finding it credible. 
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2019, 08:44:46 pm
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.   
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend  the pervert.

@Rivergirl

"Untrustworthy" at BEST. He does seem to have found some backbone since Trump was elected,though. Before that,he could have passed for a member of the Bush Crime Family.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2019, 08:46:43 pm
So now Ted Cruz was a RINO.   
Sheesh, is there no low too low to go to defend  the pervert.

@Rivergirl

I dunno. You seem to be one of the ruling board experts in perversion and going low,so why don't you tell us?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2019, 08:48:32 pm
That's bullcrap. I try what Trump tried, I would get arrested. Period.

People who make excuses for this behavior are why we don't have moral people in positions of power.

@jmyrlefuller

Sounds to me like you are jealous. Why not become a pageant official yourself and find out what everybody else already knows?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2019, 08:50:37 pm
Difference is... you're not involved in the pageant (or modeling) industry.  Trump was.  People involved in the pageant process come and go thru those dressing rooms routinely.  Do they cop a peek?   Hell yeah, no doubt.   Do most of the pageant participants think anything about it?  Hell no.  Just the ones trying to make points with their leftie gods by accusing Trump.  JS...

So no, it's not bullcrap.  It's a fact.

@XenaLee

You are wasting your time. They only want to hear bad things slandering Trump because he had the GALL to defeat one of their Party Pod People for the nomination. They will never forgive him for this.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 26, 2019, 01:41:36 am
Well, I'm not excusing Trump.  Just looking at this woman's story and not finding it credible.
To clarify: I, too, am at least uncertain and at most deeply skeptical of this particular case... but let's not kid ourselves. Trump has done this sort of thing in the past. Repeatedly. That, and the fact that there's no real correlation with anything else going on (meaning its distraction value is almost worthless) are about the only two things going in her favor right now.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2019, 01:49:45 am
To clarify: I, too, am at least uncertain and at most deeply skeptical of this particular case... but let's not kid ourselves. Trump has done this sort of thing in the past. Repeatedly. That, and the fact that there's no real correlation with anything else going on (meaning its distraction value is almost worthless) are about the only two things going in her favor right now.

So..you're in the "He's a pervert" column? **nononono*
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: corbe on June 26, 2019, 01:57:03 am
   As someone pointed out way up Thread, having sex in a standing position is complicated and requires a bit of a  contortionist physicality and if you suffer from a small penis, I would think it's downright impossible. 
   As Trump's documented history with women prove this is certainly plausible. I suspect, due to his tiny hands, in this particular case it's impossible, so IMHO, she's a liar.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 26, 2019, 02:07:14 am
So..you're in the "He's a pervert" column? **nononono*
Put me in the "He's a pervert, but not this time" column if that helps you sleep at night.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2019, 02:47:37 am
Put me in the "He's a pervert, but not this time" column if that helps you sleep at night.

I sleep just fine, thanks.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 26, 2019, 03:02:53 am
Dumb question here, and I acknowledge that I haven't been following all of the dirt for the last several years, but in the area of extreme perversion, what is it Trump has done in that area?  I know about the running his mouth about women and saying crude things, three wives, leering at pageant participants and coming on to women.  What is it that rises to extreme perversion?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 26, 2019, 03:14:47 am
What is it that rises to extreme perversion?
He beat Hillary, the MSM, and the Shadow Government. That is as perverse a thing as anyone could do in America.
That is what all the hubbub is about. If he had lost, none of this would ever have happened.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 26, 2019, 05:08:38 am

   What is it that rises to extreme perversion?


@Sanguine

That pervert had the GALL to defeat Republican Party Rino Regulars in the primary,and then had the gall to be elected President. That right there is surely enough to earn him a long prison sentence!

Who does that pervert think he is,Boy Jorge?

Why,I never.........
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 26, 2019, 05:10:20 am

He beat Hillary, the MSM, and the Shadow Government. That is as perverse a thing as anyone could do in America.

AND.....,he did it after defeating the Usual RINO Suspects.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Wingnut on June 26, 2019, 05:14:09 am
   As someone pointed out way up Thread, having sex in a standing position is complicated and requires a bit of a contortionist physicality


Give credit when credit is due
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 26, 2019, 11:35:34 am
Dumb question here, and I acknowledge that I haven't been following all of the dirt for the last several years, but in the area of extreme perversion, what is it Trump has done in that area?  I know about the running his mouth about women and saying crude things, three wives, leering at pageant participants and coming on to women.  What is it that rises to extreme perversion?
I don't think he's an EXTREME pervert. Just a serial mid-level pervert who thinks he gets away with it because he's rich and powerful.

Extreme perverts are the type that end up on the Megan's Law sex offender registries. Incest, child molestation, violent rape. The bathhouses are full of extreme perverts, too, but that's another issue altogether.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 26, 2019, 12:35:29 pm
I don't think he's an EXTREME pervert. Just a serial mid-level pervert who thinks he gets away with it because he's rich and powerful.

Extreme perverts are the type that end up on the Megan's Law sex offender registries. Incest, child molestation, violent rape. The bathhouses are full of extreme perverts, too, but that's another issue altogether.

Sooo.... color me curious, too.   What's the difference between an extreme pervert... and a serial mid-level pervert?   Could you please explain and define that difference for our edification?

What acts, specifically, do serial mid-level perverts commit, IOW?

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2019, 01:40:45 pm
Sooo.... color me curious, too.   What's the difference between an extreme pervert... and a serial mid-level pervert?   Could you please explain and define that difference for our edification?

What acts, specifically, do serial mid-level perverts commit, IOW?

I'm curious too.  I see this argument frequently:  "I think so-and-so is a pervert (not just Trump.  Look at the Roy Moore threads), so if you support him/her in any way you must be either a pervert too, or 'unprincipled.'  I know what I am, so what are you?  No, I don't need evidence because 'I know.'"

I wonder if I should start considering this fallacy a personal attack.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 26, 2019, 01:44:00 pm
I don't think he's an EXTREME pervert. Just a serial mid-level pervert who thinks he gets away with it because he's rich and powerful.

Extreme perverts are the type that end up on the Megan's Law sex offender registries. Incest, child molestation, violent rape. The bathhouses are full of extreme perverts, too, but that's another issue altogether.

I understand that, but what acts has he committed to get him into pervert category?
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 26, 2019, 01:45:11 pm
I'm curious too.  I see this argument frequently:  "I think so-and-so is a pervert (not just Trump.  Look at the Roy Moore threads), so if you support him/her in any way you must be either a pervert too, or 'unprincipled.'  I know what I am, so what are you?  No, I don't need evidence because 'I know.'"

I wonder if I should start considering this fallacy a personal attack.

Nah, save that for when we tell someone to go die in a ditch!! 

 :silly:


But on this sub-topic: I'm not that curious since I am sure that I know exactly what some view as a "serial mid-level pervert."

 wink777
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 26, 2019, 02:00:43 pm
I'm curious too.  I see this argument frequently:  "I think so-and-so is a pervert (not just Trump.  Look at the Roy Moore threads), so if you support him/her in any way you must be either a pervert too, or 'unprincipled.'  I know what I am, so what are you?  No, I don't need evidence because 'I know.'"

I wonder if I should start considering this fallacy a personal attack.

Slippery slope.  Making generalizations (blanket judgements) is what forum participants do.   It's only personal if the culprit calls a forum member a perverted doody head...lololol.

Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2019, 02:28:56 pm
I've been irritated at this for a while.  Some otherwise good people look at Moore or Trump and declare them some level of "pervert" without any hard evidence, then paint other Members as "unprincipled" if they stick up for the politician in question.

Criticize the politicians all you want, that is what TBR is for, but a line is being crossed when other Members are attacked for their beliefs.  This "I know what I am, so what are you" business is just a clever way of concealing personal attacks behind a veil of "morality."
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 26, 2019, 02:42:27 pm
Unprincipled is when someone accuses someone of something heinous without a shred of proof.  They are merely projecting, as usual.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: txradioguy on June 26, 2019, 03:09:25 pm
I've been irritated at this for a while.  Some otherwise good people look at Moore or Trump and declare them some level of "pervert" without any hard evidence, then paint other Members as "unprincipled" if they stick up for the politician in question.

Criticize the politicians all you want, that is what TBR is for, but a line is being crossed when other Members are attacked for their beliefs.  This "I know what I am, so what are you" business is just a clever way of concealing personal attacks behind a veil of "morality."

 :amen:
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 26, 2019, 03:23:42 pm
I understand that, but what acts has he committed to get him into pervert category?
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.

No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Sanguine on June 26, 2019, 03:30:24 pm
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.

No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.

OK, not picking on you, but all of these claims that he is a pervert in the general media made me think that there were some heinous acts that he had committed. 

And, you do realize that his behavior was pretty standard for the time in which he was living?  Not saying it was good, but it was common.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 26, 2019, 03:31:16 pm
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.

No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.

Unwanted sexual advances based on accusations by Trump-hating leftist hags?   Sorry, but....

there IS no credibility there (no there there).  Trump's no angel, don't get me wrong.  But these politically-motivated BS slanderous accusations, which are the ssdd DemocRats' usual tactics of personal destruction, are patently obvious as to the intent of the accusers and their handlers.   Point being... they all just loved his azz BEFORE he ran as a Republican.  (duh)
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: 240B on June 26, 2019, 03:31:58 pm
Unwanted sexual advances. Repeatedly. On tape admitting to it, claiming his victims liked it. On tape admitting lust for his own daughter (though thankfully no evidence he actually touched her) and claimed it was a joke afterward.

No actual sex, but plenty of inappropriate sexual behavior and contact.
You just described Joe Biden exactly.
You just described every guy in college.
In fact, you have just described very many boys and men.
I guess all, or at least most, men are perverts by this definition.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: XenaLee on June 26, 2019, 03:47:36 pm
You just described Joe Biden exactly.
You just described every guy in college.
In fact, you have just described very many boys and men.
I guess all, or at least most, men are perverts by this definition.

Exactly.   I've had men (that I didn't know) make unwanted advances.  One came up to me and slapped my rear when I was shooting pool.  Another time.... one came up behind me and put their arms around me from behind right under my breasts.  He got two arms full of nice, sharp claws for that, since I could see my husband where I was standing... and knew it was someone I didn't know grabbing me.  The guy (turned out to be a bartender at the club we were at) walked off cussing and rubbing his cuts...lol.   Even at that, I didn't think of them as "perverts".  Just men being men and taking liberties they weren't entitled to.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: sneakypete on June 26, 2019, 04:20:02 pm
Exactly.   I've had men (that I didn't know) make unwanted advances.   

@XenaLee

The only way to find out if your sexual advances are unwanted or welcome is to make them. I am guessing the population would be much smaller if no one ever made the first move.

Yes,sometimes there is a fine line between an advance and a rude insult,and sometimes there is a gap an Olympic athlete couldn't leap. We are not all equally gifted with the gift of gab,and the difference between smooth and rude is always in the eyes of the receiver.  Nobody's fault,that's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 26, 2019, 04:21:45 pm
@XenaLee

The only way to find out if your sexual advances are unwanted or welcome is to make them. I am guessing the population would be much smaller if no one ever made the first move.

Yes,sometimes there is a fine line between an advance and a rude insult,and sometimes there is a gap an Olympic athlete couldn't leap. We are not all equally gifted with the gift of gab,and the difference between smooth and rude is always in the eyes of the receiver.  Nobody's fault,that's just the way it is.

That's life in the real world...
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2019, 04:45:27 pm
That's life in the real world...

Then there's no choice but to use government, and government controlled media, to change that world.  All in a day's work.
Title: Re: Famed columnist E. Jean Carroll claims Trump sexually assaulted her in 1990s
Post by: EdJames on June 26, 2019, 05:00:09 pm
Then there's no choice but to use government, and government controlled media, to change that world.  All in a day's work.

Gotta use that gubmint to stop heteros being hetero.....