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General Category => Trump Legal Investigations => Topic started by: edpc on March 13, 2019, 04:15:02 pm
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Judge Amy Berman Jackson has ordered Paul Manafort to serve an additional 43 months in prison, on top of his sentence he received last week from the court in Virginia.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/paul-manafort-sentencing-dc/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/paul-manafort-sentencing-dc/index.html)
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Doing the quick math, she had originally sentenced him to 90 months (7.5 years), to be served concurrently. Subtracting the 47 months sentenced by Judge Ellis, last week, gives the additional 43 months of time.
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Doing the quick math, she had originally sentenced him to 90 months (7.5 years), to be served concurrently. Subtracting the 47 months sentenced by Judge Ellis, last week, gives the additional 43 months of time.
I really don't give a rat's ass about any political dealings in the sentence, but if he truly did the tax and bank fraud thing......
I hope he and Bubba in Cell Block 7 have plenty of intimate time.
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He’s already served about 9 months, which will be applied to the total of 90 months. Not accounting for potential time he could receive for good behavior or a potential pardon, he will be released around Christmas 2026.
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I really don't give a rat's ass about any political dealings in the sentence, but if he truly did the tax and bank fraud thing......
I hope he and Bubba in Cell Block 7 have plenty of intimate time.
I'm gonna guess Manafort ends up in some minimum security "Club Fed" and won't be in with some gangstas.
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Glad thats done. No doubt they're going after Tony Podesta next.
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I'm gonna guess Manafort ends up in some minimum security "Club Fed" and won't be in with some gangstas.
You are right, and that is a shame.
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Judge Amy Berman Jackson has ordered Paul Manafort to serve an additional 43 months in prison, on top of his sentence he received last week from the court in Virginia.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/paul-manafort-sentencing-dc/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/paul-manafort-sentencing-dc/index.html)
A purely punitive judgment by a partisan hack leftist judge, IMO. Meanwhile... Democrats get away scott free with far worse "crimes". Thus continuing to prove that there is no justice in America any more.... since that two-tier (unbalanced scales times x) system is in full force.
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Glad thats done. No doubt they're going after Tony Podesta next.
:silly:
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A purely punitive judgment by a partisan hack leftist judge, IMO. Meanwhile... Democrats get away scott free with far worse "crimes". Thus continuing to prove that there is no justice in America any more.... since that two-tier (unbalanced scales times x) system is in full force.
Well we know failing to register as a foreign agent usually is remedied by filing the correct paperwork. Does anyone know exactly how Manafort 'witness tampered' yet?
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Well we know failing to register as a foreign agent usually is remedied by filing the correct paperwork. Does anyone know exactly how Manafort 'witness tampered' yet?
Not that I'm aware of. But since they seem intent on making an example of him by throwing the proverbial book at him.... I would question the charge.
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Newsbreak: Manafort just indicted by Manhattan DA on state mortgage fraud and other charges
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Newsbreak: Manafort just indicted by Manhattan DA on state mortgage fraud and other charges
Man. All because someone thought he was good at brokering conventions.
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Well we know failing to register as a foreign agent usually is remedied by filing the correct paperwork. Does anyone know exactly how Manafort 'witness tampered' yet?
Yes, we do. It was one of the reasons his bail was revoked. You can always do a web search of 'manafort witness tampering' and find plenty of stories about it from last June. Interestingly, you can do the same with 'tony podesta fara' and discover the case was criminally referred, by Mueller, to SDNY for review last July. Since the US Attorney, Geoffrey Berman, is not recused from prosecuting him, you'd have to wonder why the Trump appointee hasn't done it yet.
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Man. All because someone thought he was good at brokering conventions.
Piling on with state charges means if he’s convicted in New York State, President Trump can’t pardon him.
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Man. All because someone thought he was good at brokering conventions.
Nah. It's all because he had some connections to that eeevil orange guy. *****rollingeyes*****
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A purely punitive judgment by a partisan hack leftist judge, IMO. Meanwhile... Democrats get away scott free with far worse "crimes". Thus continuing to prove that there is no justice in America any more.... since that two-tier (unbalanced scales times x) system is in full force.
Much as I would love to see Hillary do the perp walk (or in her case,the "perp stagger"), it's not going to happen, but that should not mean that Manafort or anyone else in Trump's circle should get off scot free for crimes that any of them may be convicted of. One does not have any relation to the other and I'm tired of listening to/reading Trump supporters constantly whine about the injustice of it all.
I happen to believe that no one escapes punishment for their sins. Maybe in this life, but definitely not in the next. As to Hillary, I think her punishment has already started. She has some health issues and she will not realize her dream of the presidency That is the beginning of her punishment. Might not seem like enough now, but don't worry. She will get what's coming to her.
And actually, so will the rest of us.
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Glad thats done. No doubt they're going after Tony Podesta next.
:mauslaff: You're a funny guy @skeeter!
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Much as I would love to see Hillary do the perp walk (or in her case,the "perp stagger"), it's not going to happen, but that should not mean that Manafort or anyone else in Trump's circle should get off scot free for crimes that any of them may be convicted of. One does not have any relation to the other and I'm tired of listening to/reading Trump supporters constantly whine about the injustice of it all.
I happen to believe that no one escapes punishment for their sins. Maybe in this life, but definitely not in the next. As to Hillary, I think her punishment has already started. She has some health issues and she will not realize her dream of the presidency That is the beginning of her punishment. Might not seem like enough now, but don't worry. She will get what's coming to her.
And actually, so will the rest of us.
Who here is saying that he should get off scott free? Certainly not I. But it is clear that they are throwing the book at Manafort over "crimes" that others either get off on or get much lighter sentences for (white collar crime penalties depend upon whether or not you have that magic "D" or not). The only difference I see is Manafort's connection to Trump... which they are using to stain Trump with. That's my take on it, anyway.
And... I'm not exactly a "Trump supporter" officially. That I happen to be 100% against the radical left usually puts me in that category, however. :laugh:
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Well we know failing to register as a foreign agent usually is remedied by filing the correct paperwork. Does anyone know exactly how Manafort 'witness tampered' yet?
Wasn't Billy Carter an agent for Libya?
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Wasn't Billy Carter an agent for Libya?
That's different! (Magic D) *****rollingeyes*****
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Yes, we do. It was one of the reasons his bail was revoked. You can always do a web search of 'manafort witness tampering' and find plenty of stories about it from last June. Interestingly, you can do the same with 'tony podesta fara' and discover the case was criminally referred, by Mueller, to SDNY for review last July. Since the US Attorney, Geoffrey Berman, is not recused from prosecuting him, you'd have to wonder why the Trump appointee hasn't done it yet.
OK I recall that he attempted to contact a couple of people regarding the failure to register as a foreign agent charge.
What a joke.
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Wasn't Billy Carter an agent for Libya?
Yes. Its a charge hardly anyone is ever prosecuted for.
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When we allow the Justice system to become the agent of one political agenda we are ALL in great danger!
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OK I recall that he attempted to contact a couple of people regarding the failure to register as a foreign agent charge.
What a joke.
Yes, he tried multiple times, through what he thought was a secure app, to contact people in the Hapsburg Group. It was an attempt to inform them about what he'd already said, so they wouldn't contradict him. Basically, that's witness coaching and tampering. If you think that's a joke, remember that, the next time you're on a thread about Cohen and Schiff meeting before his testimony. It's the same thing.
At least one of the contacts didn't want anything to do with it, knew what Manafort was up to, and contacted the Mueller people with the information.
Friedman subsequently contacted Mueller's office and said he believed Manafort's messages were part of an effort to "suborn perjury," or coax them into giving false testimony, because he knew the group worked in both Europe and the US.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-reveals-names-of-witnesses-paul-manafort-tried-to-tamper-with-2018-6 (https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-reveals-names-of-witnesses-paul-manafort-tried-to-tamper-with-2018-6)
So, it was his own former colleague that understood what was going on and said 'no thanks' to the scheme.
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Yes, he tried multiple times, through what he thought was a secure app, to contact people in the Hapsburg Group. It was an attempt to inform them about what he'd already said, so they wouldn't contradict him. Basically, that's witness coaching and tampering. If you think that's a joke, remember that, the next time you're on a thread about Cohen and Schiff meeting before his testimony. It's the same thing.
Same except for the jail time. Which is my point.
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The man is going to die in prison, for the political crime of providing assistance to the hated Donald Trump.
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The man is going to die in prison, for the political crime of providing assistance to the hated Donald Trump.
Of being on the wrong side (wrong place in history) in the attempted coup d'état against all things Trump.
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Same except for the jail time. Which is my point.
Direct evidence was provided by a witness, in Manafort's case - hence the revocation of bail and jail time. If someone has that with Schiff and Cohen, they should produce it.
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The man is going to die in prison, for the political crime of providing assistance to the hated Donald Trump.
No, he's going to prison, because he was known to be pulling shady deals in Ukraine back in 2014, ran out of money he stole from a Russian oligarch, then resumed doing illegal activities during his time with the campaign to get back into the washable money flow. His allegiances were clearly elsewhere.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586)
https://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-bookkeeper-heather-washkuhn-testifies-against-him-2018-8 (https://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-bookkeeper-heather-washkuhn-testifies-against-him-2018-8)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246)
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No, he's going to prison, because he was known to be pulling shady deals in Ukraine back in 2014, ran out of money he stole from a Russian oligarch, then resumed doing illegal activities during his time with the campaign to get back into the washable money flow. His allegiances were clearly elsewhere.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586)
https://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-bookkeeper-heather-washkuhn-testifies-against-him-2018-8 (https://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-bookkeeper-heather-washkuhn-testifies-against-him-2018-8)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246)
Yes, but the reason he was prosecuted for those activities was his service to then-candidate Trump. His convictions were based on criminal acts prosecuted solely because of his political acts.
Selective prosecution is, of course, a necessary evil because prosecutorial resources are limited, but to so blatantly do so on the basis of politics strikes me as reprehensible. The man has effectively been sentenced to death because he chose to serve Donald Trump.
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No, he's going to prison, because he was known to be pulling shady deals in Ukraine back in 2014, ran out of money he stole from a Russian oligarch, then resumed doing illegal activities during his time with the campaign to get back into the washable money flow. His allegiances were clearly elsewhere.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586)
https://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-bookkeeper-heather-washkuhn-testifies-against-him-2018-8 (https://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-bookkeeper-heather-washkuhn-testifies-against-him-2018-8)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-offered-private-briefings-2016-race-russian-billionaire-n803246)
And now Manafort is being indicted in Manhattan over a shady mortgage deal.
https://thehill.com/regulation/433875-manafort-indicted-by-manhattan-district-attorney?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true (https://thehill.com/regulation/433875-manafort-indicted-by-manhattan-district-attorney?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true)
The guy is going to prison, not because he's an ally of Trump, but because he's dirty.
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Yes, but the reason he was prosecuted for those activities was his service to then-candidate Trump. His convictions were based on criminal acts prosecuted solely because of his political acts.
Selective prosecution is, of course, a necessary evil because prosecutorial resources are limited, but to so blatantly do so on the basis of politics strikes me as reprehensible. The man has effectively been sentenced to death because he chose to serve Donald Trump.
The resources are the reason why he wasn't prosecuted in 2014. They wanted him, to go after the larger target, Yanukovych. So, instead of learning his lesson, after a close call with the FBI, he goes back to his fraud committing, money laundering ways for someone else. He played right into the candidate's vanity by offering to work for free. That should have been a huge red flag. Great due diligence by the campaign. None of them deserve sympathy.
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The resources are the reason why he wasn't prosecuted in 2014. They wanted him, to go after the larger target, Yanukovych. So, instead of learning his lesson, after a close call with the FBI, he goes back to his fraud committing, money laundering ways for someone else. He played right into the candidate's vanity by offering to work for free. That should have been a huge red flag. Great due diligence by the campaign. None of them deserve sympathy.
You don’t owe me anything, edpc, but I’d sure feel better if I saw a rock ribbed law & order throw the book at em guy like you kicking ass over on the threads relating to all the felonious behavior by Lynch, Brennan, McCabe et al.
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You don’t owe me anything, edpc, but I’d sure feel better if I saw a rock ribbed law & order throw the book at em guy like you kicking ass over on the threads relating to all the felonious behavior by Lynch, Brennan, McCabe et al.
Whataboutism doesn't clear Manafort. This admin has been free to launch investigations into those other matters at any time, so we have some news threads about that. They've only had three Attorneys General to do it. What's the hold up? What's prevented Berman from indicting Craig and Podesta for almost a year?