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Title: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 10, 2020, 01:51:58 am
Two-week isolation ordered for all who enter Israel
There are now 50 people diagnosed with coronavirus in Israel.
By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN   MARCH 10, 2020 00:15

All people entering Israel from abroad will be required to spend 14 days in home isolation, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday. The measure became effective at 8 p.m. Monday night.

“After a day of complex discussions, we have made a decision: Whoever arrives in Israel from abroad will enter quarantine for 14 days,” Netanyahu said in a video statement Monday as 50 Israelis were diagnosed with coronavirus. “This is a difficult decision but it is essential to maintaining public health, which takes precedence over everything.


The message came less than an hour after Israel’s Health Ministry announced that three more people were diagnosed with coronavirus: patients No. 40, 41 and 42. It also came two hours before patients No. 43 through 50 were announced.

“This decision will be in effect for two weeks,” he continued. “At the same time, we will make decisions to safeguard the Israeli economy.”

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https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Israeli-diagnosis-two-more-people-with-coronavirus-patients-40-and-41-620347 (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Israeli-diagnosis-two-more-people-with-coronavirus-patients-40-and-41-620347)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 10, 2020, 11:57:38 am
The Big Wobble by Gary Walton 3/10/2020

Twenty-seven people have died from methanol poisoning in Iran after rumours that drinking alcohol can help cure the novel coronavirus infection: 218 people had been hospitalised there after being poisoned

Twenty-seven people have died from methanol poisoning in Iran after rumours that drinking alcohol can help cure the novel coronavirus infection, state news agency IRNA reported on Monday. The outbreak of the virus in the Islamic republic is one of the deadliest outside China, where the disease originated. Twenty have died in the southwestern province of Khuzestan and seven in the northern region of Alborz after consuming bootleg alcohol, IRNA said.

Drinking alcohol is banned in Iran for everyone except for some non-Muslim religious minorities. Local media regularly report on lethal cases of poisoning caused by bootleg liquor. A spokesman for Jundishapur medical university in Ahvaz, the capital of Khuzestan, said 218 people had been hospitalised there after being poisoned. The poisonings were caused by "rumours that drinking alcohol can be effective in treating coronavirus," Ali Ehsanpour said. The deputy prosecutor of Alborz, Mohammad Aghayari, told IRNA the dead had drunk methanol after being "misled by content online, thinking they were fighting coronavirus and curing it

"If ingested in large quantities, methanol can cause blindness, liver damage and death. Iran has been scrambling to contain the spread of the COVID-19 illness which has hit all of the country's 31 provinces, killing 237 people and infecting 7,161. According to IRNA, 16 out of 69 confirmed cases have died of coronavirus infection in Khuzestan as of Sunday.

More http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/03/twenty-seven-people-have-died-from.html (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/03/twenty-seven-people-have-died-from.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on March 10, 2020, 01:09:44 pm
And this region of the world was supposed to be the birthplace of civilization? (Iran, Iraq, Egypt, etc.)

I guess they don't have warning labels on Wood Alcohol in Iran.   :thud:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 10, 2020, 01:20:08 pm
Pffft...  Tide pods do the trick.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 10, 2020, 02:48:54 pm
Let me get this straight....

Consuming alcohol in violation of the teachings of the Prophet
( AKA: in defiance of allah, )
is going to keep them healthy?

Someone is really asking for their god to get them for that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 10, 2020, 03:09:25 pm
Let me get this straight....

Consuming alcohol in violation of the teachings of the Prophet
( AKA: in defiance of allah, )
is going to keep them healthy?

Someone is really asking for their god to get them for that.

Yes, I'd love to hear how the Imams square that circle.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 10, 2020, 04:43:22 pm
Let me get this straight....

Consuming alcohol in violation of the teachings of the Prophet
( AKA: in defiance of allah, )
is going to keep them healthy?

Someone is really asking for their god to get them for that.

That's why they're drinking methanol instead of fireball whiskey.  Alcohol is a disinfectant so I'm safe from the Trumpvirus but drinking methanol will kill people on it's own.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 10, 2020, 05:08:11 pm
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"If ingested in large quantities, methanol can cause blindness, liver damage and death."

But it'll still get you druuuuuuunk!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 10, 2020, 05:20:08 pm
Given the role of tourism in the Israeli economy, that's a pretty serious decision.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 10, 2020, 05:20:18 pm
But it'll still get you druuuuuuunk!

It strikes me as likely being a pretty crappy buzz....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 10, 2020, 05:58:16 pm
It strikes me as likely being a pretty crappy buzz....
I think the hangover might be just a bit excessive...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mortarman on March 10, 2020, 08:39:53 pm
Jus' goes to show, ignorant savages can't hold their liquor.

 :pop41:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 10, 2020, 08:45:11 pm
Just warm it and drink.

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: GtHawk on March 10, 2020, 10:01:42 pm
But it'll still get you druuuuuuunk!
Not just drunk but blind stinking drunk!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 10, 2020, 10:35:07 pm
I guess they don't have warning labels on Wood Alcohol in Iran.   :thud:

I reckon it's hard to make a good corn mash if you don't grow corn.   :whistle:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 10, 2020, 10:57:55 pm
I reckon it's hard to make a good corn mash if you don't grow corn.   :whistle:
But anyone can be taught to grow corn. How hard is it? Just dig a hole, put the seed in, water it, and up comes corn... (Or so we have been told) 22222frying pan

Yes, Virginia, that WAS sarcasm.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 10, 2020, 11:33:52 pm
But anyone can be taught to grow corn. How hard is it? Just dig a hole, put the seed in, water it, and up comes corn... (Or so we have been told) 22222frying pan

Yes, Virginia, that WAS sarcasm.

Yeah... but you need dirt.  :whistle:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 11, 2020, 12:56:16 am
But anyone can be taught to grow corn. How hard is it? Just dig a hole, put the seed in, water it, and up comes corn... (Or so we have been told) 22222frying pan

Why do farmers need to grow corn when they can just buy it at the store?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 11, 2020, 02:33:44 pm
Why do farmers need to grow corn when they can just buy it at the store?
@Hoodat
Worth a morning chuckle.  thanx
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 11, 2020, 04:16:10 pm


    Health

What The Rest Of The World Can Learn From Taiwan’s Success Containing Coronavirus
At this critical period when the publicly feared coronavirus is amplifying in numbers worldwide, it’s clear the Taiwanese government has done something right in its containment measures.

By Helen Raleigh
March 11, 2020

By any measure, Taiwan should have been the second-hardest-hit area of the coronavirus outbreak outside mainland China. Taiwan is less than 100 miles away from mainland China and receives an estimated 3 million mainland tourists annually. Furthermore, more than 1 million Taiwanese travel to mainland China each year.

The expansive travel volume across the Taiwan strait reached its peak during the recent lunar New Year celebration in January, as it always has. Yet this densely populated island of 23 million people has only 44 confirmed cases of the virus to date, and just one death so far.

Taiwan hasn’t experienced the need to cancel schools nor lock down major cities. At this critical period when the publicly feared coronavirus is amplifying in numbers worldwide, it’s clear the Taiwanese government has done something right in its containment measures.

How did Taiwan do it? The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published recent findings crediting the Taiwanese government with recognizing the crisis early. Taiwan took swift and decisive actions, while Beijing and the World Health Organization (WHO) were busy downplaying the risks.

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https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/11/what-the-rest-of-the-world-can-learn-from-taiwans-success-containing-coronavirus/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 11, 2020, 04:50:00 pm
good article
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 11, 2020, 05:25:05 pm
1. New Year is a major travel time, in Taiwan as well as China, as the article notes.

2. Immediately before that was a great deal more travel into Taiwan, as people with jobs in other countries went to Taiwan to vote in the recent election. (Including several of my coworkers).

3. There are many large international Taiwanese businesses that have facilities and/or work with contract manufacturers in China, including in the Wuhan area.

4. There is a LOT of business travel in and out of Taiwan.

So while Taiwan is much smaller than China, they have handled a lot of risk factors rather well, at times when information was VERY incomplete.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 11, 2020, 05:44:05 pm
1. New Year is a major travel time, in Taiwan as well as China, as the article notes.

2. Immediately before that was a great deal more travel into Taiwan, as people with jobs in other countries went to Taiwan to vote in the recent election. (Including several of my coworkers).

3. There are many large international Taiwanese businesses that have facilities and/or work with contract manufacturers in China, including in the Wuhan area.

4. There is a LOT of business travel in and out of Taiwan.

So while Taiwan is much smaller than China, they have handled a lot of risk factors rather well, at times when information was VERY incomplete.

They didn't believe China's reporting is a key element. They acted in spite of the lies coming from China and their proxy the WHO. I would also guess Taiwan has a lot more knowledge of what goes on inside China's communist party than anyone outside the Taiwanese government is allowed to know.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 11, 2020, 05:44:23 pm
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As soon as Taiwan officials heard the news Dec. 31, however, they refused to take any chances. Based on their past experiences of dealing with another deadly virus outbreak, SARS, they took action the same day. According to JAMA, “Taiwanese officials began to board planes and assess passengers on direct flights from Wuhan for fever and pneumonia symptoms before passengers could deplane.”
...
Like the rest of the world, Taiwan wasn’t notified either, but the lack of information didn’t prevent it from taking further action. On that same day (January 5th), the Taiwan government expanded its health checks to include “any individual who had traveled to Wuhan in the past 14 days and had a fever or symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection at the point of entry; suspected cases were screened for 26 viruses including SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). Passengers displaying symptoms of fever and coughing were quarantined at home and assessed whether medical attention at a hospital was necessary.”

The US started screening passengers arriving from China on January 17th.

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While Taiwan could not rely on Beijing to provide timely and accurate information, it also received little help from the WHO. The WHO bowed to Beijing’s demand in stripping Taiwan’s access to the WHO since 2016. The Wall Street Journal reported, “The WHO has held two emergency meetings since the coronavirus outbreak. Taiwan wasn’t permitted to attend, despite its proximity to China and its handful of confirmed cases.” Consequently, “Taiwan often must rely on secondhand information relayed by friendly governments and nongovernmental organizations” to manage its response.

... On Jan. 20, three days before Beijing decided to lock down Wuhan and three other major cities comprised of 60 million residents, and 10 days before the WHO declared the coronavirus outbreak a public-health emergency of international concern, the Taiwanese public health agency officially activated the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC). The CECC was established during the SARS outbreak in 2003, and one of its main responsibilities is to coordinate viral-containment efforts through various governmental agencies.

The CECC’s swift actions included imposing travel bans of Wuhan residents as early as Jan. 23 ...

Reading deeply - and possibly incorrectly - between the lines, I suspect Taiwan got information directly from China, unfiltered by bureaucratic CYA. Meanwhile WHO's information and guidance reflected passage through that bureaucratic filtering. That is important context to the 12 days between when Taiwan started screening arriving passengers and when the US started doing so.

The US started refusing entry to foreign nationals arriving from China on February 2nd.

IMO, while the US should continue to receive info from and communicate info to WHO, the US should also get info directly from outbreak areas. Too many countries' governments do CYA and/or have very incomplete info themselves.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 11, 2020, 05:48:43 pm
Taiwan likely has people on the ground inside China who report back to Taiwan. So they were far less dependent on the official Chinese channels of disinformation.

We should have known better too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 12, 2020, 04:10:16 pm
Brazilian official photographed with Trump and Pence days ago tests positive for coronavirus
by Madison Dibble
 | March 12, 2020 11:43 AM



A press secretary for Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tested positive for coronavirus less than a week after meeting with President Trump.

Fabio Wajngarten, Bolsonaro’s communications secretary, started feeling flu-like symptoms on Wednesday, and a subsequent test found he was positive for coronavirus, according to Estadao. After his test, Bolsonaro and several others who traveled with him to Miami to meet with Trump last week were placed under self-quarantine.

A regional development minister, Rogerio Marinho, noted that Bolsonaro’s scheduled visits throughout the country had been postponed as he waits to see if he is infected.

Bolsonaro and Wajngarten both visited Mar-a-Lago on Saturday to join the president for dinner. Wajngarten was photographed standing just to the left of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence showing off a “Make Brazil Great Again” hat following the dinner. Several of Trump’s other associates were present at the dinner.

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Gabriel Stargardter
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@gabstargardter

The guy standing to Trump’s left just tested positive for coronavirus, according to Brazilian media. Fabio Wajngarten posted this photo, taken during meetings at Mar-a-Lago, five days ago.
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 12, 2020, 04:20:47 pm
It's so contagious, I get it if people say, it's mainly killing the elderly and the young recover fairly quickly but it seems, within reason, measures should be taken to contain it.

My gosh, this is horrible news.

It seems easy to catch.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 12, 2020, 04:27:00 pm
Now, because of showing "flu like symptoms" (not enough to say it's the coronvirus) by his wife, Justin Trudeau is self-quarantining or self-isolating. 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/12/canada-justin-trudeau-self-isolating-because-wife-has-flu-like-symptoms/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/12/canada-justin-trudeau-self-isolating-because-wife-has-flu-like-symptoms/)

This again, shows how contagious it is, Tom Hanks and Wife, the NBA player, if they do not demonstrably have the virus, they have come in contact with somebody who has as with Senator Cruz.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 12, 2020, 04:39:44 pm
Now, because of showing "flu like symptoms" (not enough to say it's the coronvirus) by his wife, Justin Trudeau is self-quarantining or self-isolating. 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/12/canada-justin-trudeau-self-isolating-because-wife-has-flu-like-symptoms/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/12/canada-justin-trudeau-self-isolating-because-wife-has-flu-like-symptoms/)

This again, shows how contagious it is, Tom Hanks and Wife, the NBA player, if they do not demonstrably have the virus, they have come in contact with somebody who has as with Senator Cruz.

Mr. and Mrs. Hanks tested positive.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 12, 2020, 05:40:50 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8104471/Porn-site-allows-Italians-watch-content-free-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8104471/Porn-site-allows-Italians-watch-content-free-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html)

Pornhub is offering free access to its premium service to people who live in Italy until April 3.

In a press release shared on Thursday, the site revealed it'll donate proceeds from the Modelhub platform after the European country implemented a nationwide lockdown due to the coronavirus outbreak.   

The announcement reads: 'Forza Italia, We love you! PornHub has decided to donate its percentage revenue from ModelHub platform from March to help Italy during the outbreak.

more at link

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 12, 2020, 05:50:35 pm
 The Associated Press
Posted: Mar 12, 2020 / 09:23 AM PDT   / Updated: Mar 12, 2020 / 09:23 AM PDT

AP) – Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is self-isolating at home after wife has exhibited flu-like symptoms.

Trudeau’s office said Sophie Grégoire Trudeau returned from a speaking engagement in the United Kingdom and began began exhibiting mild flu-like symptoms including a low fever late Wednesday night. She is being tested for COVID-19 and is awaiting results.

The statement said “Out of an abundance of caution, the prime minister is opting to self-isolate and work from home until receiving Sophie’s results.”

https://www.kron4.com/news/national/canadian-pm-justin-trudeau-in-virus-self-isolation/ (https://www.kron4.com/news/national/canadian-pm-justin-trudeau-in-virus-self-isolation/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 12, 2020, 05:52:57 pm
Looks like someone may be paying a visit to a US hospital in the near future.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2020, 07:30:04 pm
He's calling for a blitzkrieg against the virus.
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Source (https://www.mtlblog.com/u/2018/02/26/124bae13ac16a42618309f08172ef7815034f130.png_1200x630.png)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on March 12, 2020, 11:25:22 pm
I mentioned this in another thread a day or two ago, but it's time for Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence to start getting (at least) weekly tests for COVID-19.

Perhaps the same for other high officials in the government, as well.

This will hurt nothing and might help with early intervention if the virus is detected.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 12, 2020, 11:28:58 pm
Is it a blood test or something else?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 12, 2020, 11:46:06 pm
I mentioned this in another thread a day or two ago, but it's time for Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence to start getting (at least) weekly tests for COVID-19.

Perhaps the same for other high officials in the government, as well.

This will hurt nothing and might help with early intervention if the virus is detected.

Tests have been shown to only be able to detect after symptoms appear.  Testing before symptoms gives a fake negative.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 12, 2020, 11:47:14 pm
Is it a blood test or something else?

Nasal swab
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 13, 2020, 12:13:58 am
Nasal swab

Thank you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2020, 02:44:41 am
OMG!

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Wife Sophie Tests Positive for Coronavirus
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeaus-wife-sophie-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB117std (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeaus-wife-sophie-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB117std)

UPDATE... pretty stunning...

I tried pinging everyone but my computer must be busy a bit. Hopefully, all will see this.

I am sure, she will be fine.... more from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-trudeau-premiers-coronavirus-1.5495001 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-trudeau-premiers-coronavirus-1.5495001)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 13, 2020, 02:46:44 am
Looks like someone may be paying a visit to a US hospital in the near future.

 :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 13, 2020, 02:56:39 am
OMG!

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Wife Sophie Tests Positive for Coronavirus
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeaus-wife-sophie-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB117std (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeaus-wife-sophie-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB117std)

UPDATE... pretty stunning... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-trudeau-premiers-coronavirus-1.5495001 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-trudeau-premiers-coronavirus-1.5495001)

Why is this news "stunning"?



Title: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: EdinVA on March 13, 2020, 11:17:14 am
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Now that the number of new people infected with the coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus) in China (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/world-regions/china) is slowing, the country's Communist Party is ratcheting up threats against the West, with a particularly nasty warning about access to life-saving drugs (https://www.foxnews.com/world/drug-shortages-india-china-coronavirus) aimed at the United States.
In an article in Xinhua (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/), the state-run media agency that's largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in Wuhan (https://www.foxnews.com/health/wuhan-coronavirus-evacuee-released-quarantine-texas-tests-positive) and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more. The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into "the mighty sea of coronavirus."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs (https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs)

This is a wakeup call if ever there was one!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on March 13, 2020, 12:01:17 pm
My understanding is that Castro's little boy has done nothing to lead Canada through this supposed crisis, unlike the heads of most other nations.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: catfish1957 on March 13, 2020, 12:05:59 pm
This is a wakeup call if ever there was one!

More than a wake up call.  More like an act of war.

I can't believe our stupidity in allowing this to happen in the first place.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2020, 01:04:41 pm
...hmm... Gee do ya think that possibly this virus was bio engineered in retaliation for tariffs and energy independence?  China has had a death grip on our economy and our fearless (?) leaders have allowed them to do so for decades.

Yes, an act of war, but Congress will never allow Trump to declare war ... after all this will more than likely sink his re-election.  Who's going to back him.  It's China we're talking about.  Right now we need their drugs.  MSM doesn't seem to be reporting this.

They played the chess game very well.

I'm not a fan of Rubio, but he articulated the situation very well.

Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: skeeter on March 13, 2020, 01:12:08 pm
This instance will be used for decades as an argument against taking any US company's manufacturing to China.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: catfish1957 on March 13, 2020, 01:21:09 pm
...hmm... Gee do ya think that possibly this virus was bio engineered in retaliation for tariffs and energy independence?  China has had a death grip on our economy and our fearless (?) leaders have allowed them to do so for decades.

Yes, an act of war, but Congress will never allow Trump to declare war ... after all this will more than likely sink his re-election.  Who's going to back him.  It's China we're talking about.  Right now we need their drugs.  MSM doesn't seem to be reporting this.

They played the chess game very well.

I'm not a fan of Rubio, but he articulated the situation very well.

Yes.  AT some point we must get a wake up call, and establish that there are certain things and needs in our society, that MUST NOT be outsourced overseas to any country or company.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: catfish1957 on March 13, 2020, 01:23:26 pm
This instance will be used for decades as an argument against taking any US company's manufacturing to China.

Finally, it appears that the Chicoms have finally decided to play their trump card.  I figured it would be rare earth metals, but looks like I'm wrong.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: EdinVA on March 13, 2020, 01:31:12 pm
This instance will be used for decades as an argument against taking any US company's manufacturing to China.

Proof that globalization does not work...

These other countries are NOT going to look out for our best interests, they will seize every opportunity to stab us in the back.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: Idiot on March 13, 2020, 01:36:12 pm
This is a wakeup call if ever there was one!
Good grief!  Talk about a godless society....
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: skeeter on March 13, 2020, 01:44:13 pm
Good grief!  Talk about a godless society....

No kidding. We offer them CDC experts, they threaten to cut off our meds.

They seem confident they'll quickly steal the vaccine after our pharma companies develop it. And they're probably right.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: Sighlass on March 13, 2020, 01:46:53 pm
Just what meds can we not quickly ramp up to produce?
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: EdinVA on March 13, 2020, 01:51:48 pm
Just what meds can we not quickly ramp up to produce?

Ramping up is easy... it is getting all of the health certificates, testing etc that strings it out
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: skeeter on March 13, 2020, 01:53:26 pm
Ramping up is easy... it is getting all of the health certificates, testing etc that strings it out

That is something the executive can influence.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: libertybele on March 13, 2020, 01:54:06 pm
This instance will be used for decades as an argument against taking any US company's manufacturing to China.

Yes, and IMHO in the eyes of the DEMS who want a borderless society (i.e., in Clinton's eyes she wanted a borderless western hemisphere), no.  They may see it as a reason for globalization and a reason for open borders.  They will see it as a reason against American exceptionalism.  They now have a legitimate reason why Trump tariffs and his hardball stance against China didn't work. Never mind the fact that the U.S. has been taken advantage of by China and no one until now has stood up to them.  That backdrop will never be conveyed by the MSM and the American people who need the drugs to stay alive won't care.

It will take years for pharmaceutical companies to move their plants back to the U.S. -- time that we don't have.
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: skeeter on March 13, 2020, 02:00:36 pm
Yes, and IMHO in the eyes of the DEMS who want a borderless society (i.e., in Clinton's eyes she wanted a borderless western hemisphere), no.  They may see it as a reason for globalization and a reason for open borders.  They will see it as a reason against American exceptionalism.  They now have a legitimate reason why Trump tariffs and his hardball stance against China didn't work. Never mind the fact that the U.S. has been taken advantage of by China and no one until now has stood up to them.  That backdrop will never be conveyed by the MSM and the American people who need the drugs to stay alive won't care.

It will take years for pharmaceutical companies to move their plants back to the U.S. -- time that we don't have.

The last thing the left's policy positions require is a logical basis.

It seems of all the things China makes for us pharmaceuticals would be the easiest to repatriate. Raw materials are readily available here, as are the facilities where prototyping is done.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 13, 2020, 02:30:42 pm
Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for coronavirus, it has been announced.

He awaits the results of a second test on Friday to confirm the diagnosis.

Bolsonaro dined with US President Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Saturday night, along with his press secretary, who was diagnosed with the disease following the trip.

Pictures and video show the Trump, Bolsonaro and his press secretary Fabio Wajngarten all in close proximity.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-coronavirus-brazilian-president-jair-21687810 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-coronavirus-brazilian-president-jair-21687810)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 13, 2020, 02:55:51 pm
Yes, I'm sure he met with lots of people, the problem here, is how contagious Coronavirus is, really.. @Gefn  , you mentioned going to the grocery store. I don't want to be paranoid, maybe you will have enough groceries but maybe going to the grocers isn't that big of a deal, it's not for me.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2020, 03:57:08 pm
China may have found coronavirus patient zero in Hubei province
by Spencer Neale
 | March 13, 2020 11:39 AM


New government documents out of China claim to have found the earliest case of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, in a 55-year-old man from Hubei province.

The documents, which were seen by the South China Morning Post, show the man contracted the illness on Nov. 17, predating the World Health Organization's first confirmed case on Dec. 8 and suggesting the disease could have spread undetected for weeks before serious measures were taken to mitigate the outbreak.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-may-have-found-coronavirus-patient-zero-in-hubei-province (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-may-have-found-coronavirus-patient-zero-in-hubei-province)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 13, 2020, 04:01:13 pm
Why should anyone believe what China says? Lives are cheap and the communist party's image is all important there.
Title: Communist Chinese Propagandists Now Claim U.S. Military Made Wuhan Virus
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2020, 04:10:37 pm


    Foreign Policy

Communist Chinese Propagandists Now Claim U.S. Military Made Wuhan Virus
China threatened by way of its leading propaganda publication to impose pharmaceutical export controls that ‘plunge[] [America] into the mighty sea of coronavirus.’
Ben Weingarten
By Ben Weingarten
March 13, 2020

No country can afford to rely on its greatest adversaries for survival.

In case Americans were not already convinced Communist China constituted such a foe, since the Chinese coronavirus spread across the globe, the country threatened by way of its leading propaganda publication to impose pharmaceutical export controls that “plunge[] [America] into the mighty sea of coronavirus,” and now its senior propagandists are pinning the pandemic on the U.S. military.

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Lijian Zhao 赵立坚
✔
@zlj517

2/2 CDC was caught on the spot. When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!

Friendly nations do not falsely accuse their friends of spreading pandemics that originated on their own shores; nor do they steal hundreds of billions of dollars per year in intellectual property; nor do they demand that those who transact with them fastidiously toe their government line; nor do they engage in rampant national security-imperiling espionage efforts.

more
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/13/communist-chinese-propagandists-now-claim-u-s-military-made-wuhan-virus/
Title: Re: Communist Chinese Propagandists Now Claim U.S. Military Made Wuhan Virus
Post by: MeganC on March 13, 2020, 04:20:12 pm
They've accused us of using a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION against them.

That's tantamount to a declaration of war and President Trump should immediately call them on this and cut off all trade with China.

They want to blackmail us and the proper response is to haul back and kick them in their teensy-tiny balls!!
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: jafo2010 on March 13, 2020, 04:51:11 pm
There are many facilities in Puerto Rico sitting idle that produced the pharma products before being shipped off to China.  If it was fast tracked, they could be up and running in six months.

The problem is Congress. If Trump issues an executive order to pull all pharma out of China, Congress would interfere.  If he doesn't do something, the Democommies will condemn him. 

Frankly, I think Trump should issue an executive order to end all pharma being produced anywhere but the USA.  Same for any product required by DOD.  I was shocked when the Russians bid on the contract to make the newest transport planes/jets for the USA military.  Complete nonsense that!!!

Actually, I fully support ending trade with China.  F*&^ them!!!
Title: Re: China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs
Post by: EdinVA on March 13, 2020, 04:53:41 pm
There are many facilities in Puerto Rico sitting idle that produced the pharma products before being shipped off to China.  If it was fast tracked, they could be up and running in six months.

The problem is Congress. If Trump issues an executive order to pull all pharma out of China, Congress would interfere.  If he doesn't do something, the Democommies will condemn him. 

Frankly, I think Trump should issue an executive order to end all pharma being produced anywhere but the USA.  Same for any product required by DOD.  I was shocked when the Russians bid on the contract to make the newest transport planes/jets for the USA military.  Complete nonsense that!!!

Actually, I fully support ending trade with China.  F*&^ them!!!
Trump is supposedly declaring a state of emergency this afternoon.
I suspect he may use that to bypass congress?  Maybe?
Title: Italy reports record 250 coronavirus deaths in one day
Post by: mystery-ak on March 13, 2020, 10:36:52 pm
Italy reports record 250 coronavirus deaths in one day
By Brooke Seipel - 03/13/20 05:56 PM EDT



Italian officials said 250 people have died from the coronavirus in the last 24 hours, marking a record number of deaths from the illness within such a timespan.

The Italian Civil Protection Agency reported the increase Friday, which raised the country's death toll from coronavirus to 1,266 people, according to The Associated Press. The spike in cases has shifted the focus on the outbreak from China to Europe.

"More cases are now being reported every day [in Europe] than were being reported by China at the height of its epidemic," World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. He also called the reported 5,000 deaths worldwide a "tragic milestone."

"Do not let this fire burn," he said calling for social distancing. "Isolate the sick."

more
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487523-italy-reports-record-250-coronavirus-deaths-in-one-day
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 01:56:43 am
Now, that things are a bit sorted out, this will be to try to sort out what is going on globally with the virus and also to merge stories into this one large thread.

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Coronavirus: Europe now epicentre of the pandemic, says WHO

Europe is now the "epicentre" of the global coronavirus pandemic, the head of the World Health Organization says.


Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus urged countries to use aggressive measures, community mobilisation and social distancing to save lives.

"Do not just let this fire burn," he said.

Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51876784 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51876784)

See, if this is really serious and yes, it is,  maybe it can be stopped enough that some people in other places will only go through a minimum of the pain.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 14, 2020, 02:24:30 am
Thank you @TomSea for keeping us up to date.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 03:20:48 am
 Jerusalem Post Twitter  (https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post), they get most of this from Reuters or AP I gather.

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A day earlier, #Panama said it had 27 #coronavirus cases.
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#Israel may discover a cure for #coronavirus, but would #Iranians be allowed to take it?

The answer, and the raging online discussion about it, may surprise you.

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#Poland will ban foreigners from entering the country from Sunday and impose a 14-day quarantine on its citizens returning home in the wake of the #coronavirus.



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2020, 05:38:16 am
Jerusalem Post Twitter  (https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post), they get most of this from Reuters or AP I gather.

It just seems like common sense that people should not travel unless it is absolutely necessary.  And they shouldn't expect to get back unless they are quarantined first in the country they are visiting.  At the least tested before they get on a plane.  This is worldwide.  Even if a country only has a low number of cases it is sure to increase at a rapid pace.  You could go to a country where there is only,...say 30 cases and in 3 days to a week it could triple or worse.

Why don't they advise no business travel between countries?  We have skype.  Its a great tool when you can't get there.  But a travel ban that still allows citizens to travel between countries isn't going to be that effective.  1 person who is ill can infect many, many people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 14, 2020, 10:18:03 am
In case my constant criticism of President Trump is perceived otherwise, I commend the President for declaring a National Emergency today, and presumably authorizing increased testing.  I know he didn't want to inflate the numbers.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 14, 2020, 10:38:15 am
And I equally thank you for making me feel comfortable about posting.  And respecting people's opinions! @DB and respecting people's rights to express their opinion without insulting them.

You sound a little insecure.  You shouldn't.  You are one of TBR's shining assets, and last time I was asked why I come here, I should have said because of @TomSea 's informative and sourced posts.  I respect your opinion immensely, and your willingness to submit your opinion to criticism even if it isn't popular, or we disagree.  I know I have not always succeeded, but I try to show you, I give your posts the substantial respect you have given to mine and others.  You're a good egg @TomSea
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 14, 2020, 10:53:53 am
It just seems like common sense that people should not travel unless it is absolutely necessary.  And they shouldn't expect to get back unless they are quarantined first in the country they are visiting.  At the least tested before they get on a plane.  This is worldwide.  Even if a country only has a low number of cases it is sure to increase at a rapid pace.  You could go to a country where there is only,...say 30 cases and in 3 days to a week it could triple or worse.

Why don't they advise no business travel between countries?  We have skype.  Its a great tool when you can't get there.  But a travel ban that still allows citizens to travel between countries isn't going to be that effective.  1 person who is ill can infect many, many people.

Business can't afford to stall trade.  Business that requires travel will get phased out in time by skype or successors, but business travel only accounts for 12% of travel.  There is Cargo trade that requires travel, and then there is leisure travel which will remain in high demand after the pandemic ends.

When the President meets with infected people, but refuses to be tested or self quarantine for the benefit of others who are not infected, why should I absorb the cost and delay my vacation to Italy, and Spain?   

I'm an American I know my rights!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2020, 02:21:55 pm
'Very secretive': Hidden coronavirus 'disaster' brewing in Syria
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/very-secretive-hidden-coronavirus-disaster-brewing-in-syria (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/very-secretive-hidden-coronavirus-disaster-brewing-in-syria)
Title: China Threatens to Cut off Supply of Life Saving Drugs to Plunge America into a Massive Crisis
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2020, 03:39:40 pm
China Threatens to Cut off Supply of Life Saving Drugs to Plunge America into a Massive Crisis
 By Steve Straub
Published March 13, 2020 at 8:08am

China has just jumped the shark by threatening to impose pharmaceutical export controls that would plunge America into a a massive coronavirus crisis.

Via Fox News:

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Now that the number of new people infected with the coronavirus in China is slowing down, the country’s Communist Party is ratcheting up threats against the West, with a particularly nasty warning about access to life-saving drugs aimed at the United States.

In an article in Xinhua, the state-run media agency that’s largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in the city of Wuhan and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more.

The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into “the mighty sea of coronavirus.”

more
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/china-threatens-cut-off-supply-life-saving-drugs-plunge-america-massive-crisis
Title: Spain set to announce lockdown as coronavirus cases spike; planes turned around midair
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2020, 04:00:16 pm
Published 1 hour ago
Spain set to announce lockdown as coronavirus cases spike; planes turned around midair

By Lucia I. Suarez Sang | Fox News

Spain is set to announce an Italian-style countrywide lockdown Saturday after a dramatic spike in coronavirus cases.

Ahead of the announcement, airplanes on their way to the Iberian Peninsula dramatically turned around midair.

Low-cost airline Jet2, which is based at nine airports in the United Kingdom, halted all fights with immediate effect to mainland Spain after the country saw cases rise by more than 1,500 to more than 5,700.

“In response to local measures introduced throughout Spain to prevent the spread of COVID-19, including the closure of bars, restaurants, shops, and activities including any water sports, we have taken the decision to cancel all flights to Mainland Spain, the Balearic Islands, and the Canary Islands with immediate effect,” the airline said in a statement.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/spain-coronavirus-lockdown-airlines (https://www.foxnews.com/world/spain-coronavirus-lockdown-airlines)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 04:41:03 pm
Retired Brigadier General Robert Spalding was on Gorka's show yesterday, Spalding is with the Hudson Institute, he knows a lot about 5G which is in the press a lot but at least for me, I understood little about this. Well, he's a starting point on the subject.

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Ex-NSC aide: China wasn't transparent on coronavirus
Justine Coleman
3/4/2020

A former aide to the National Security Council (NSC) said Wednesday that China was not transparent on the coronavirus, which is believed to have originated in the country in December.

"It's not just terrible for coronavirus but it's also terrible for the next potentially global pandemic that might come across," he said.

The general commended the U.S. government for "finally starting to understand the implications of our supply chain, not just the health ramifications, but the ramifications to our economy and our national security" from the outbreak.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-nsc-aide-china-wasnt-transparent-on-coronavirus/ar-BB10KJEU (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-nsc-aide-china-wasnt-transparent-on-coronavirus/ar-BB10KJEU)

More Robert Spalding:

 The Terrifying Potential of the 5G Network  (https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-communications/the-terrifying-potential-of-the-5g-network)

 Hudson Institute page  (https://www.hudson.org/experts/1265-robert-spalding)

While some want to question this whole Coronavirus bit, for me, we've got to be careful NOT to let China off the hook in this.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 04:54:46 pm
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COVID-19 in Ukraine: Zelensky's about closure of air traffic
Source : 112 Ukraine
From March 17, Ukraine is completely blocking air traffic due to coronavirus pandemic

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky addressed Ukrainians regarding the country's complete closure of air traffic due to the coronavirus pandemic. The channel "112 Ukraine" conducted the broadcast.

Three days later, Ukraine closes regular flights with other countries. Cargo checkpoints, air, rail, sea and road, will continue to operate.

“We will not wait for the official hundreds or thousands of patients. On the issue of life and health of Ukrainians it cannot be early, it can be too late. That is why we are decisive and proactive,” - Zelensky said.

-   Channel 112 Ukraine  (https://112.international/society/zelenskys-appeal-about-closure-of-air-traffic-by-ukraine-49493.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel)
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Off-the-record: not media, but people report on Covid-2019 in social media

Author : News Agency 112 International

Source : 112 Ukraine
No toilet paper anywhere in the UK and "I am in the paradise of TP" in Mexico, "with the majority of the medical personnel over 60 I am afraid of the picture in one month", people are trying not to think of it in Russia
19:07, 14 March 2020

(https://img.112.international/original/2020/03/14/288996.jpg)

More: https://112.international/society/off-the-record-not-media-but-people-report-on-covid-2019-in-social-media-49514.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 07:05:06 pm
 :2popcorn:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 08:11:01 pm
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Moscow hospitals suspend all visitation
https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/03/14/moscow-hospitals-suspend-all-visitation

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Russia confirms its 59th coronavirus case, with 14 new infections in the past 24 hours

10:34 am, March 14, 2020
Source: Meduza

Russia recorded 14 new coronavirus infections in the past 24 hours, bringing the country’s total number of COVID-19 cases to 59. The new positive test results include nine patients in Moscow, two in the Kemerovo region, one outside Moscow, one in St. Petersburg, and one in the Kaliningrad region. All of these individuals returned from trips to Europe in the past two weeks. These people are now hospitalized and in isolation.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/03/14/russia-confirms-its-59th-coronavirus-case-with-14-new-infections-in-the-past-24-hours

Per the 2nd story and as someone else posted and I heard discussed on radio, there comes a point where it appears to start doubling every day. That can't be good.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 14, 2020, 08:30:51 pm
France and Spain announce partial lockdowns


France has ordered the closure of all non-essential places used by the public from midnight (23:00 GMT Saturday) amid fears the outbreak is accelerating.

PM Edouard Philippe said the number of people in intensive care was growing and earlier guidelines for the public were being ignored.

Meanwhile Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez declared a 15-day state of emergency.

With 191 deaths and 6,046 infections, Spain is the worst-hit country in Europe after Italy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51892477 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51892477)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 14, 2020, 08:33:36 pm
France, Israel shutter restaurants, cafes, non-essential stores amid coronavirus outbreak


https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-shutters-restaurants-cafes-non-essential-stores-amid-coronavirus-outbreak (https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-shutters-restaurants-cafes-non-essential-stores-amid-coronavirus-outbreak)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 09:18:48 pm
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More young coronavirus patients being admitted to hospital, doctor warns
Zoe Tidman

Italians admitted to hospital for coronavirus are getting younger, a health official has claimed.

“The type of patient is changing,” Luca Lorini, the head of anaesthesia and intensive care at a northern Italian hospital, has said.

“They are a bit younger, between 40 to 45 years old and the cases are more complicated.”

Read more at: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-update-young-people-hospital-luca-lorini-bergamo-a9402531.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-update-young-people-hospital-luca-lorini-bergamo-a9402531.html)

See, this virus is an odd bird, we are in uncharted territory, be careful of assumptions.   The article also mentions "intensive care", so it's a bit tight.

And, I don't know the science, they say these viruses mutate, repeating it can be for the good or for the bad.

Again, Janie Hsilh,  Taiwanese MD in the US, she's a really big Trump supporter too, so I frequently check what she says, it doesn't mean it's all so but she seems sharp: 

https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh (https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh)

Good account to follow at this time.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 14, 2020, 09:27:07 pm
See, this virus is an odd bird, we are in uncharted territory, be careful of assumptions. 

And, I don't know the science, they say these viruses mutate, repeating it can be for the good or for the bad.

Again, Janie Hsilh,  Taiwanese MD in the US, she's a really big Trump supporter too, so I frequently check what she says, it doesn't mean it's all so but she seems sharp: 

https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh (https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh)

Good account to follow at this time.

Absolutely.  The uncertainty is what is causing panic.  What may seem like being a bit of over cautious, may just save lives in the future.  We just don't know.  If the cases are getting younger, it's certainly not a good sign, OR, people who are younger are becoming complacent because they may feel that they are young and it won't affect them.  Hard to tell at this point.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:45:28 pm
Absolutely.  The uncertainty is what is causing panic.  What may seem like being a bit of over cautious, may just save lives in the future.  We just don't know.  If the cases are getting younger, it's certainly not a good sign, OR, people who are younger are becoming complacent because they may feel that they are young and it won't affect them.  Hard to tell at this point.

We've had to Triage the testing because of the scarcity of test kits, and young people have not been getting screened for COVID-19.  As that improves I expect to see a lot more younger people showing up in the stats.

IOW, I think it's the measurement of the phenomena that's the "problem."  It's probably not because the disease is suddenly presenting in younger people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on March 14, 2020, 09:59:52 pm
"International doors" seem to be slamming shut all around the world.

This is a GOOD thing.

The difficult part is how to maintain the import/export of necessary goods, without "mixing" the folks handling the goods...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 14, 2020, 11:07:47 pm
See, this virus is an odd bird, we are in uncharted territory, be careful of assumptions.   The article also mentions "intensive care", so it's a bit tight.

And, I don't know the science, they say these viruses mutate, repeating it can be for the good or for the bad.

Again, Janie Hsilh,  Taiwanese MD in the US, she's a really big Trump supporter too, so I frequently check what she says, it doesn't mean it's all so but she seems sharp: 

https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh (https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh)

Good account to follow at this time.
Something weird is going on in Italy. It's not just the virus. I mean, the rest of the world has been hit, but they're on a totally different level.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 14, 2020, 11:17:06 pm
We've had to Triage the testing because of the scarcity of test kits, and young people have not been getting screened for COVID-19.  As that improves I expect to see a lot more younger people showing up in the stats.

IOW, I think it's the measurement of the phenomena that's the "problem."  It's probably not because the disease is suddenly presenting in younger people.

The "test kits" are a relatively small part of the issue. That used test kit has to be analyzed at a lab. That's where the work and bottleneck is really going to be. There are only so many labs that can process them and it takes time to go through the process for each one.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 11:19:28 pm
The "test kits" are a relatively small part of the issue. That used test kit has to be analyzed at a lab. That's where the work and bottleneck is really going to be. There are only so many labs that can process them and it takes time to go through the process for each one.

Meanwhile, we prioritize the results for the people most likely to be killed by COVID.  This is as it should be.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 14, 2020, 11:27:29 pm
Meanwhile, we prioritize the results for the people most likely to be killed by COVID.  This is as it should be.

Something interesting, at least to me... Does it really matter that much what the test results are short of collecting statistics? If someone is having a hard time breathing due to something going on in their lungs they need medical care regardless of the cause. I don't believe there's any specific treatment for COVID-19 other than making sure they get enough oxygen through whatever means necessary. There's no COVID-19 pill to fix it. So the symptoms are much more important than the test result as far as any actual medical care goes.

And I'll add, if they're sick with COVID-19 or the flu, they need to stay away from other people to minimize the spread. The test doesn't really matter on that front either.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 11:31:35 pm
Something interesting, at least to me... Does it really matter that much what the test results are short of collecting statistics? If someone is having a hard time breathing due to something going on in their lungs they need medical care regardless of the cause. I don't believe there's any specific treatment for COVID-19 other than making sure they get enough oxygen through whatever means necessary. There's no COVID-19 pill to fix it. So the symptoms are much more important than the test result as far as any actual medical care goes.

And I'll add, if they're sick with COVID-19 or the flu, they need to stay away from other people to minimize the spread. The test doesn't really matter on that front either.

As far as I know, it's about collecting stats and isolating people known to have the bug from everybody else.  And, being statistics, will be warped by people trying to forward their own agendas.  It goes with the public policy turf.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 02:07:48 am
Colin Quinn @iamcolinquinn

Stupid question. In case of emergency. Which is easiest to catch. Rat or squirrel?
11:17 AM · Mar 13, 2020

Norm Macdonald @normmacdonald
Mar 12

It's morally wrong for me to do stand-up and cause strangers to possibly become sick. And now, with this virus, it seems even more wrong. I'm postponing my next two gigs, but am hopeful a vaccine comes that protects us all from Tom Hanks Disease (THD).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 02:15:42 am
Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk
US coronavirus cases in last week via @CNN :

3/8: 564 cases
3/9: 728 cases
3/10: 1,000 cases
3/11: 1,267 cases
3/12: 1,645 cases
3/13: 2,204 cases
3/14: 2,816 cases (as of 9p)

8:11 PM · Mar 14, 2020

I'd keep playing I don't think the heavy stuffs coming down for quite awhile - Caddyshack
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 02:23:49 am
Rat turds!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 15, 2020, 02:39:44 am
Something interesting, at least to me... Does it really matter that much what the test results are short of collecting statistics? If someone is having a hard time breathing due to something going on in their lungs they need medical care regardless of the cause. I don't believe there's any specific treatment for COVID-19 other than making sure they get enough oxygen through whatever means necessary. There's no COVID-19 pill to fix it. So the symptoms are much more important than the test result as far as any actual medical care goes.

And I'll add, if they're sick with COVID-19 or the flu, they need to stay away from other people to minimize the spread. The test doesn't really matter on that front either.

This is true. It was announced that in my county a testing site will be opened on Monday afternoon.  A doctor's order is needed in order to schedule an appointment at the testing site.  Once an appointment is set up, you go to the site's drive thru, have your nose swabbed and you are on your way.  Test results should be received 3-5 days later. 

This is at a Convenient Care site ... I would think that if one is having a hard time breathing and are that symptomatic ... that they would direct them to go to the ER - I would hope that people that sick, would skip the testing site and go immediately to the ER.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 03:06:35 am
Something interesting, at least to me... Does it really matter that much what the test results are short of collecting statistics?

It's a good question worth asking @DB

We do have antiviral medications to treat the symptoms of the flu, but COVID-19 isn't the same virus.  I'm not a doctor but it seems to me that it would be better to test first rather than treat both virus's the same, perhaps harming the patient, and possibly wasting needed medicine.  So I think the test results ( more knowledge ) could reduce fatalities.  "Antiviral medications are currently being tested to see if they can address symptoms."  https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Victoria33 on March 15, 2020, 03:11:02 am
In case my constant criticism of President Trump is perceived otherwise, I commend the President for declaring a National Emergency today, and presumably authorizing increased testing.  I know he didn't want to inflate the numbers.
@Once-Ler

Airline pilots are being laid off - too many planes are sitting idle at various Airline's headquarters. The Airlines can't make a profit now. Thousands of airline families will have no money coming in.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 03:18:21 am
We do have antiviral medications to treat the symptoms of the flu, but COVID-19 isn't the same virus.  I'm not a doctor but it seems to me that it would be better to test first rather than treat both virus's the same, perhaps harming the patient, and possibly wasting needed medicine.  So I think the test results ( more knowledge ) could reduce fatalities.

The danger with covid-19 is when the lungs become inflamed, causing air sacs to fill with fluid.  This condition is detectable and needs to be treated without having to know which virus caused it.  In a perfect world, we would like to have everyone tested repeatedly.  But this virus was unknown four months ago.  The fact that we can test for a virus at all is a medical miracle.  And the fact that we have a test developed so quickly for this virus is even more remarkable.  We are fortunate to have what we have.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 03:20:02 am
Airline pilots are being laid off - too many planes are sitting idle at various Airline's headquarters. The Airlines can't make a profit now. Thousands of airline families will have no money coming in.

Which is why I am making a point to fly whenever possible.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2020, 03:26:11 am
Airline pilots are being laid off - too many planes are sitting idle at various Airline's headquarters. The Airlines can't make a profit now. Thousands of airline families will have no money coming in.

This is not necessarily the case ...

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United is offering pilots a month off at reduced pay after coronavirus spurred flight cuts, the union said
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/coronavirus-prompts-united-airlines-to-offer-pilots-a-month-for-flight-cuts.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/coronavirus-prompts-united-airlines-to-offer-pilots-a-month-for-flight-cuts.html)

I'm sure other airlines are working out similar deals with the unions for the temporary cutbacks caused by the need  to contain the coronavirus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 03:39:23 am
@Once-Ler

Airline pilots are being laid off - too many planes are sitting idle at various Airline's headquarters. The Airlines can't make a profit now. Thousands of airline families will have no money coming in.

Thanx for your reply.  Your assessment is spot on.  I completely agree.  This sucks.  Unfortunately your reply has given me no clue if you think President Trump was wise to declare a National Emergency yesterday, or banning travel on Wednesday (if a ban has actually occurred...could be passengers have self-quarantined, or decided the Eiffel Tower or Vatican are not worth dying to see and vice versa with foreign vacationers).  I could read your comments to mean you disagree with the precautions because they encourage disruption to our economy...and that would be a legitimately rational opinion as is your right to hold it. 

Or I could read your comments to express anger that our government let us down by stalling, and minimizing the danger and that too would be a legitimately rational opinion. 

Or perhaps you had no underlying point to express but just wished to commiserate with a friend in our shared time uncertainty. 0052

I am happy to see your posts and know you are well @Victoria33 .
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 03:54:15 am
Ireland and UK added to the Europe ban:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news)

And this is interesting, though it's from Modern Ghana and this seems like an offbeat website... still, we know China steals intellectual property....
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China’s Bitter Lesson From Pirating Patented Properties

(https://cdn.modernghana.com/content/300/180/313202090621-8eu2xkjwvr-fe42a556-8ef5-4779-81b3-8e543d59b105.png)

A rift between United States and China this week can only be understood by the two of them. United States is accusing China of not being transparent. China is also saying it is the United States who should be transparent and admitting for the first time that the virus is not theirs, but the U.S’s. How did it find its way to China?

A patent document below shows that the virus was first patented by United States in 2006 and again in 2018. The patent is still pending till 2035. It belongs to the U.S military. How did it get to Wuhan laboratories?

Normally, if it is established that someone has stolen a patented intellectual property of another, the victim can charge the thief for monetary damages. But if it were you, would you come forward to claim damages, considering the tremendous damages the stolen property is causing around the globe, leaving huge humanitarian and economic devastations along its trails?

Much more at:  https://www.modernghana.com/news/989161/chinas-bitter-lesson-from-pirating-patented-prope.html (https://www.modernghana.com/news/989161/chinas-bitter-lesson-from-pirating-patented-prope.html)

The author probably got this info in turn somewhere, wow.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 04:02:23 am
Ireland and UK added to the Europe ban:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news)

And this is interesting, though it's from Modern Ghana and this seems like an offbeat website... still, we know China steals intellectual property....
The author probably got this info in turn somewhere, wow.

That is a pretty deep rabbit hole I don't want to go down.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 04:03:23 am
Ireland and UK added to the Europe ban:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news)

And this is interesting, though it's from Modern Ghana and this seems like an offbeat website... still, we know China steals intellectual property....
The author probably got this info in turn somewhere, wow.

Good grief.  If the US Military were ever able to genetically create a virus, they would NEVER EVER EVER get it patented.  It would remain a trade secret, like Coca-Cola.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 04:13:23 am
https://www.fox4news.com/news/travelers-report-long-lines-at-us-customs-after-returning-to-dfw-airport (https://www.fox4news.com/news/travelers-report-long-lines-at-us-customs-after-returning-to-dfw-airport)

Travelers report long lines at US Customs after returning to DFW Airport

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DALLAS - Many travelers who were returning to the United States after traveling abroad waited hours in close quarters at U.S. Customs at DFW Airport on Saturday.

FOX4 spoke to several people who said they had to wait more than three hours, and they were standing very close to people the entire time, not following social distancing protocols outlined by health officials.

(https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox4news.com/www.fox4news.com/content/uploads/2020/03/764/432/0314customs.jpg)

This is evidence of what some people are saying is the greatest travel ban in the history.

Welcome Back.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETHDloLXsAEVr_0.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETHDlxyWkAALrIx.jpg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 04:28:01 am
Good grief.  If the US Military were ever able to genetically create a virus, they would NEVER EVER EVER get it patented.  It would remain a trade secret, like Coca-Cola.

Yep. You only patent something you want to make public. Otherwise it is a company secret. And if this patent were true there'd be a patent number assigned to it and easily confirmed.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 04:46:37 am
The danger with covid-19 is when the lungs become inflamed, causing air sacs to fill with fluid.  This condition is detectable and needs to be treated without having to know which virus caused it.  In a perfect world, we would like to have everyone tested repeatedly.  But this virus was unknown four months ago.  The fact that we can test for a virus at all is a medical miracle.  And the fact that we have a test developed so quickly for this virus is even more remarkable.  We are fortunate to have what we have.
Thanx for your reply @Hoodat I understand COVID-19 was unknown 4 months ago.  I don't understand why Italy, South Korea, Iran, Spain, Germany, France...screw it...Everybody is kicking our asses in testing.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 05:22:31 am
Thanx for your reply @Hoodat I understand COVID-19 was unknown 4 months ago.  I don't understand why Italy, South Korea, Iran, Spain, Germany, France...screw it...Everybody is kicking our asses in testing.

Primarily because the CDC demanded top down control of testing in only CDC approved government labs. This policy was implemented prior to Trump.

The pin heads decided policy without fully understanding the consequences of their brilliant planning with a real pandemic.

Now private labs are allowed to do the testing and there are obviously vastly more private labs throughout the country.

The bottom line is I don't believe testing is all that important. Not in terms of actual medical outcomes anyway. To date no one has indicated there's any specific treatment for COVIR-19 beyond keeping oxygen in the patients lungs. It would be nice to know factual statistics about how this progresses for future pandemic planning but that's about it. If you have a serious problem breathing you need to go get medical care. And assume you contagious if you're sick. Period.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 05:38:42 am
Primarily because the CDC demanded top down control of testing in only CDC approved government labs. This policy was implemented prior to Trump.

The pin heads decided policy without fully understanding the consequences of their brilliant planning with a real pandemic.

Now private labs are allowed to do the testing and there are obviously vastly more private labs throughout the country.

The bottom line is I don't believe testing is all that important. Not in terms of actual medical outcomes anyway. To date no one has indicated there's any specific treatment for COVIR-19 beyond keeping oxygen in the patients lungs. It would be nice to know factual statistics about how this progresses for future pandemic planning but that's about it. If you have a serious problem breathing you need to go get medical care. And assume you contagious if you're sick. Period.

I appreciate the information and struggle to help me clarify your opinion.  Stay healthy @DB 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on March 15, 2020, 06:34:02 am
The world is in the "Fog of War" stage.

Wash hands. Wash clothes, cover your coughs, Avoid crowds if possible.

Survival is 92% for age 70-79, 85% for age 80+ of those who contract the disease.

Look on the bright side. You are probably not even going to catch it, and if you do you will probably live.

Don't panic, and if you do panic, don't let kids see it.







Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 10:11:57 am
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Erik Solheim
@ErikSolheim
Watch how coronavirus cases spread across the globe since the beginning of the year

(SEE MAP)

https://twitter.com/ErikSolheim/status/1239120417568239616

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Marco Rubio@marcorubio

I spent weeks  pushing this. Right now the answer is we don’t have one.

We can produce ventilators but we need component parts from other nations (including #China).

We need all hands on deck on this now.

And moving forward we MUST rebuild our nations industrial capacity.

More:  https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1238889618034118657
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 10:31:01 am
Very current photo, I don't see one mask.

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Myanmar Steps up Efforts to Calm Fears Over Coronavirus Amid Rumors, Panic Buying
2020-03-13
(https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/panic-buying-03132020175924.html/myanmar-coronavirus-scare-yangon-mar12-2020.jpg/image)Myanmar citizens grab groceries from shelves in a supermarket in the commercial capital Yangon, after hearing rumors related to the coronavirus, March 12, 2020.

The Myanmar government on Friday urged citizens not to overreact to the coronavirus pandemic and assured them that food supplies are adequate, amid panic buying and rumors about the spread of highly contagious virus in the country, which has yet to see any confirmed cases.

The Myanmar President’s Office ordered state and regional governments to cancel all public events and mass gatherings until the end of April, including the Thingyan Festival, also known as the Water Festival, which celebrates the New Year and falls on April 13-16.

See more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/panic-buying-03132020175924.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/myanmar/panic-buying-03132020175924.html)

That's what we have, panic buying with some of those goods.

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North Koreans Ignore Government Advice to Wear Masks to Prevent COVID-19
2020-03-13

(https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-coronavirus-mask-03132020173132.html/nk-coronavirus-masks-crop.jpg/@@images/791e7038-a7a8-4f6b-9837-d7c26e576d0a.jpeg)
Workers at the Songyo Knitwear Factory in Pyongyang, North Korea produce masks for protection against COVID-19 on February 6, 2020.

Residents of North Korea, facing a confusing mix of warnings and an information gag order that has left them uninformed about the COVID-19 epidemic, are ignoring the advice of authorities to wear face masks in public to prevent the spread of the deadly illness, RFA has learned.

As of Friday afternoon, North Korea has still not reported a single confirmed case of coronavirus. The government has, however, taken comprehensive preventative measures, such as cancelling large events, quarantining entire counties, and converting a large hotel in the capital Pyongyang into an isolation center. Experts believe that it is extremely unlikely that North Korea is virus-free.

Sources told RFA’s Korean Service March 6 that interest in masks among North Koreans is very low because the government has not been forthcoming with how widely COVID-19 has spread.

Read more at:  https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-coronavirus-mask-03132020173132.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/nk-coronavirus-mask-03132020173132.html)

I wonder if these people, "most" at least can get on the net, hear news from South Korea and other places... they've got to know this is all going on... of course, NK is massaging the numbers or just not saying anything at all.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 10:50:56 am
Poor South Korea, they are blaming their outbreak partly on this "cult" or church, see the articles. It is probably like they say. But I've never gotten it clear what were the EXACT actions that led to the Church spreading the disease and into the general population.

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2020 coronavirus pandemic in South Korea

....

On 8 March, KCDC in South Korea announced that 79.4% of confirmed corona-19 cases were related to group infection. KCDC also announced that outbreak associated with Shincheonji Church totaled 4,482 infections, accounting for 62.8% of the total confirmed cases.[54][55]

Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea#19_February%E2%80%93present_outbreak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea#19_February%E2%80%93present_outbreak)


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'I felt betrayed': University graduate on her experience with Singapore chapter of South Korea’s Shincheonji Church

SINGAPORE: It started as it often does – someone approaching you as you make your way to the MRT station. Asking innocuously if you are a Christian or if you’d like to know more or meet someone who can help deepen your understanding of the faith.

For Fiona*, whose name has been changed to protect her identity, it was this exact scenario that eventually saw her going for meetings with a group linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony (SCJ).

The Korean church has been at the centre of a storm in South Korea because it has registered at least half of all COVID-19 infections there.

See more at: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/shincheonji-church-singapore-covid19-coronavirus-grad-experience-12492396 (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/shincheonji-church-singapore-covid19-coronavirus-grad-experience-12492396)

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Coronavirus: Wuhan Shincheonji member says church followed quarantine rules
Mimi Lau
South China Morning Post    3 March 2020

A member of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus in China’s Wuhan, the epicentre of the deadly coronavirus outbreak, said the group suspended meetings in the city in December and rejected claims it was a catalyst for the spread of the virus in South Korea, where the church was founded.

The member, a 28-year-old kindergarten teacher who uses the social media name Angel, said she had not heard of other Shincheonji followers in Wuhan coming down with the disease, which causes a type of pneumonia known as Covid-19. She said she was in touch with other members online.

“I don’t know about [Shincheonji churches] in other Chinese cities, but we have been following the isolation measures from the government,” she said in a telephone interview.

Read more at:  https://sg.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-wuhan-shincheonji-member-says-084029301.html (https://sg.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-wuhan-shincheonji-member-says-084029301.html)

So, South Korea is also where that Church of Scientology is which some are wary about.



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 15, 2020, 10:58:39 am
Coronavirus: Over-70s will be asked to self-isolate, potentially for months (UK)

The government will also tell firms "if you produce a ventilator, we'll buy it" amid fears of a potential shortage in hospitals.

The health secretary has told Sky News that over-70s will be asked to self-isolate "in the coming weeks" - and it could potentially last for months.

Matt Hancock also told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme that the UK was likely to need "many more" ventilators than the current 5,000, amid concerns hospitals will come under intense pressure.

He said the growing coronavirus outbreak meant "the elderly and vulnerable" would be asked to "shield themselves by self-isolating".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-over-70s-will-be-asked-to-self-isolate-potentially-for-months-11957770
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 15, 2020, 11:03:50 am
Coronavirus: Over-70s will be asked to self-isolate, potentially for months (UK)

The government will also tell firms "if you produce a ventilator, we'll buy it" amid fears of a potential shortage in hospitals.

The health secretary has told Sky News that over-70s will be asked to self-isolate "in the coming weeks" - and it could potentially last for months.

Matt Hancock also told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme that the UK was likely to need "many more" ventilators than the current 5,000, amid concerns hospitals will come under intense pressure.

He said the growing coronavirus outbreak meant "the elderly and vulnerable" would be asked to "shield themselves by self-isolating".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-over-70s-will-be-asked-to-self-isolate-potentially-for-months-11957770

How many people here think 70 isn’t old? And is the Queen, Charles, Anne, members of Parliament and Lords and QC’s exempt?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 11:05:48 am
On Italy, some chatter says maybe Italians sort of blew off the warnings, I can see that.  Thinking, hey, what me worry?

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Dr. Najat AlSaeed
@Najat_AlSaeed
Replying to
@newtgingrich
With the politicizing of the universities’ campuses and leftist instructors brain washing students with their ideologies, I see e-learning is a bless.Different technologies approaches can be robot instructors. We might have better independent thinkers than brain washed graduates.

https://twitter.com/Najat_AlSaeed/status/1239142797372018690
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Jenan Moussa
@jenanmoussa
Italy reported its biggest day-to-day jump in cases of #COVID19.

3497 new cases - a 20% increase in 24 hrs.

Authorities cited irresponsible behavior by citizens, who despite warnings headed to beaches or ski resorts, especially after closure of schools.

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1239139793168224256

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Rasha Al Aqeedi
@RashaAlAqeedi
·
18m
Replying to
@jenanmoussa
Despite the lock down and quarantine? Is this from people testing or how?
Jenan Moussa
@jenanmoussa
·
15m
Yes despite the lockdown. People are crazy.
🤦🏻‍♀️

Lots more on twitter... some stuff not suitable for posting but it is saying, they are opening up the "sealed apartments" and it's not good.  Again, this is unofficial reporting.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Neverdul on March 15, 2020, 11:17:25 am
Over half of France's 300 coronavirus ICU patients under age 60

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/nation-world/over-half-of-frances-300-coronavirus-icu-patients-under-age-60/523-9c26ad1f-f633-4409-aba4-1fe054733fba (https://www.wnep.com/article/news/nation-world/over-half-of-frances-300-coronavirus-icu-patients-under-age-60/523-9c26ad1f-f633-4409-aba4-1fe054733fba)

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PARIS, France — More than half of the 300 people in intensive care units in France with the new virus are under 60.

The head of the national health agency, Jerome Salomon, announced the statistic Saturday night as France saw another jump in new virus cases.

For most people, the virus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia. Of the 91 people who have died in France, 71 were over 75, Salomon said.

If you are under the age of 60 and otherwise healthy, meaning not being immunosuppressed or having heart or lung disease or obesity or HBP or being a current or former smoker, your chances of dying are low. But a stint in the ICU at any age is serious.

This is what is concerning health officials – an overload of patients requiring critical care. And added to that, what happens if many healthcare workers become infected and not able to care for patients.


Title: Coronavirus: Over-70s will be asked to self-isolate, potentially for months (UK)
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 12:18:32 pm
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Coronavirus: Over-70s will be asked to self-isolate, potentially for months (UK)

The government will also tell firms "if you produce a ventilator, we'll buy it" amid fears of a potential shortage in hospitals.

The health secretary has told Sky News that over-70s will be asked to self-isolate "in the coming weeks" - and it could potentially last for months.

Matt Hancock also told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme that the UK was likely to need "many more" ventilators than the current 5,000, amid concerns hospitals will come under intense pressure.

He said the growing coronavirus outbreak meant "the elderly and vulnerable" would be asked to "shield themselves by self-isolating".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-over-70s-will-be-asked-to-self-isolate-potentially-for-months-11957770
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 01:13:10 pm
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TROOPS ON THE STREETS Army brought in to guard hospitals and supermarkets in UK fight against coronavirus
    Alex Winter
    14 Mar 2020, 23:24Updated: 15 Mar 2020

TROOPS could guard hospitals and supermarkets in drastic new measures set to be rolled out in a bid to tackle the coronavirus.

It comes as the death toll in the UK soared to 21 and plans were announced to isolate people over the age of 70 for four months.

Getty photo shows troops on street, see link.

Shoppers have stripped supermarket shelves of essentials including toilet paper and dried pasta as officials say they've moved into the second phase of plans to contain the deadly bug.

Read more at:   https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11175682/army-brought-into-guard-hospitals-supermarkets-coronavirus/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11175682/army-brought-into-guard-hospitals-supermarkets-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 02:01:52 pm
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Coronavirus survivors may suffer from reduced lung function

Some patients who have recovered from the coronavirus have been left with a reduced lung capacity – and left gasping for air when walking briskly, according to a report.

The Hong Kong Hospital Authority announced the findings after studying the first wave of patients who had fully recovered from COVID-19, the South China Morning Post reported.

Three people have died of the illness in the former British colony, which has so far recorded 131 confirmed cases. Among them, 74 people have been discharged.

Read more at:  https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-survivors-may-suffer-from-reduced-lung-function/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 02:09:44 pm
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ISIS tells its terrorists not to travel to Europe for jihad — because of coronavirus
By Laura Italiano  March 15, 2020

After years of urging its terrorists to attack major European cities, ISIS is now telling them to steer clear due to the coronavirus.

Any sick jihadists already in Europe, however, should stay there — presumably to sicken infidels, according to a ‘sharia’ directive printed in the group’s al-Naba newsletter, the Sunday Times of London reported.

The “healthy should not enter the land of the epidemic and the afflicted should not exit from it,” the newsletter advised.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/15/isis-tells-its-terrorists-not-to-travel-to-europe-for-jihad-because-coronavirus/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 02:28:34 pm
ISIS tells its terrorists not to travel to Europe for jihad — because of coronavirus

OK, I don't care who you are, that there's funny.  Suicidal terrorists are afraid of COVID-19.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 02:49:18 pm
OK, I don't care who you are, that there's funny.  Suicidal terrorists are afraid of COVID-19.
:laugh: Agreed
Title: UK: ‘Wartime-style’ Four-Month Elderly Quarantine Planned
Post by: mystery-ak on March 15, 2020, 03:20:49 pm
Kurt Zindulka 15 Mar 2020

Elderly Britons may be told to self-isolate for four months under the government’s “wartime-style” effort to combat the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus.

The government of the United Kingdom is expected to impose a swathe of new measures to fight the further spread of the virus and to prevent the National Health Service (NHS) from “falling over” during the peak of the epidemic.

Within the next 20 days, those over the age of 70 will be told to self-quarantine in their homes or care homes for up to four months, a Government source told ITV.

Boris Johnson’s government is concerned that the quarantine will lead to the death of elderly people from neglect, and will call on friends, neighbours, and relatives to help older people during their isolation.

Dominic Cummings, the chief advisor to the Prime Minister, has reportedly been reaching out to Deliveroo and Uber to help bring food to the elderly, as well.

“We are looking for a huge community effort,” the source said.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/15/uk-4-month-quarantine-for-elderly-people-in-coronavirus/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/15/uk-4-month-quarantine-for-elderly-people-in-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Victoria33 on March 15, 2020, 03:34:01 pm
Thanx for your reply.  Your assessment is spot on.  I completely agree. 

Or I could read your comments to express anger that our government let us down by stalling, and minimizing the danger and that too would be a legitimately rational opinion.   Or perhaps you had no underlying point to express but just wished to commiserate with a friend in our shared time uncertainty.   I am happy to see your posts and know you are well @Victoria33 .
@Once-Ler

The person who questioned my post about the airlines, posted a link about United Airlines.  That is about United and flights to ASIA.

Since the person questioned what I said about pilots being laid-off, my source about that is a family member who IS A CAPTAIN FOR UNITED AIRLINES.    He is living this as it happens.

My original post to you was to provide more information about what is happening, plus speak to you as the intelligent person you are.  I will use PMs to you and some others from now on.  The word in-fighting here is ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply.  :beer:


United on Friday announced service reductions throughout Asia because of the illness, known as COVID-19, which has sickened more than 83,000 people. U.S. airlines had already suspended flights to mainland China and Hong Kong. The spread of the illness has raised concerns that weak demand and new travel restrictions will prompt airlines to further cut international flights.

Chicago-based United has more service to Asia than any other U.S. airline.
United is now offering some widebody pilots a month off in April at the pay rate for 50 hours a month,
lower than the roughly 80 hours pilots normally work, wrote Todd Insler, a United captain and chairman of the United branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, in a note to union members.
“The reductions in block hours has resulted in lower line values and fewer flying opportunities in some fleets,” Insler said in the note. “We are preparing for the possibility of further reductions to our schedules as the virus spreads.”
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 04:00:59 pm
@Once-Ler

The person who questioned my post about the airlines, posted a link about United Airlines.  That is about United and flights to ASIA.

Since the person questioned what I said about pilots being laid-off, my source about that is a family member who IS A CAPTAIN FOR UNITED AIRLINES.    He is living this as it happens.

My original post to you was to provide more information about what is happening, plus speak to you as the intelligent person you are.  I will use PMs to you and some others from now on.  The word in-fighting here is ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply.  :beer:


United on Friday announced service reductions throughout Asia because of the illness, known as COVID-19, which has sickened more than 83,000 people. U.S. airlines had already suspended flights to mainland China and Hong Kong. The spread of the illness has raised concerns that weak demand and new travel restrictions will prompt airlines to further cut international flights.

Chicago-based United has more service to Asia than any other U.S. airline.
United is now offering some widebody pilots a month off in April at the pay rate for 50 hours a month,
lower than the roughly 80 hours pilots normally work, wrote Todd Insler, a United captain and chairman of the United branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, in a note to union members.
“The reductions in block hours has resulted in lower line values and fewer flying opportunities in some fleets,” Insler said in the note. “We are preparing for the possibility of further reductions to our schedules as the virus spreads.”

I greatly appreciate your posts on this subject.  It's in your wheelhouse.  Kudos, @Victoria33!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 15, 2020, 04:52:39 pm
Netanyahu Under Fire for Announcing Cellphone Tracking of Coronavirus Victims

Breitbart by Deborah Danan15 Mar 2020

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/03/15/netanyahu-under-fire-for-controversial-move-tracking-coronavirus-via-phones/ (https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/03/15/netanyahu-under-fire-for-controversial-move-tracking-coronavirus-via-phones/)

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TEL AVIV – Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday night announced that Israel would begin using digital tracking tools relying on cellphone data to track carriers of the coronavirus, sparking condemnation over privacy concerns from his main political rivals.

“Until now I avoided using these measures in the civilian population but there is no choice,” Netanyahu said in a live televised address to the nation.

He described the current coronavirus crisis as a “war with an invisible enemy” and said that the use of digital tracking, while it constitutes a violation of people’s privacy, was a necessary evil in winning that war.

Netanyahu said Taiwan, which, like Israel, has 200 confirmed carriers of the virus, has also employed the use of cellphone data to track the spread of the virus.

However, unlike Taiwan, the GPS data that Israel will use will not be used to determine whether those under quarantine are indeed staying in their homes as ordered, the Shin Bet security agency said Sunday.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 05:57:23 pm
@Once-Ler

The person who questioned my post about the airlines, posted a link about United Airlines.  That is about United and flights to ASIA.

Since the person questioned what I said about pilots being laid-off, my source about that is a family member who IS A CAPTAIN FOR UNITED AIRLINES.    He is living this as it happens.

@Victoria33 That makes sense to me.  I feel sorry for your pilot relative, and all the other people wondering about their future.  I feel certain travel will return soon if this virus shows signs of slowing down soon.  80 hours a week is insane.

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My original post to you was to provide more information about what is happening, plus speak to you as the intelligent person you are.  I will use PMs to you and some others from now on.  The word in-fighting here is ridiculous.

That's a shame.  The world is a better place when you post here.  We are all Americans here.  We post here because we care about our country and we want to express it.  You do that exceptionally well.

When I respond to other Briefers there is an implicit admission that I respect the argument offered and think the point needs to be evaluated.  It is frustrating and painful to see people I actually admire consistently misconstrue my point, and to say nasty things to me, and identify me as their enemy.  The problem is once the nasty things are said, I find it hard to give the other side the benefit of the doubt, and so I stupidly respond in anger and frustration.  And then I don't like myself as much, for the evil thoughts that creep into my head...so I completely understand why you are laying low during this time of high tempers.

I'd like to think we are at a point, with this pandemic, that pointing the blame is mostly irrelevant now.  I'm sure many hiccups and much tragedy are to follow, that will renew the finger pointing, but I feel less outraged today than yesterday.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:14:40 pm
@Victoria33 That makes sense to me.  I feel sorry for your pilot relative, and all the other people wondering about their future.  I feel certain travel will return soon if this virus shows signs of slowing down soon.  80 hours a week is insane.

That's a shame.  The world is a better place when you post here.  We are all Americans here.  We post here because we care about our country and we want to express it.  You do that exceptionally well.

When I respond to other Briefers there is an implicit admission that I respect the argument offered and think the point needs to be evaluated.  It is frustrating and painful to see people I actually admire consistently misconstrue my point, and to say nasty things to me, and identify me as their enemy.  The problem is once the nasty things are said, I find it hard to give the other side the benefit of the doubt, and so I stupidly respond in anger and frustration.  And then I don't like myself as much, for the evil thoughts that creep into my head...so I completely understand why you are laying low during this time of high tempers.

I'd like to think we are at a point, with this pandemic, that pointing the blame is mostly irrelevant now.  I'm sure many hiccups and much tragedy are to follow, that will renew the finger pointing, but I feel less outraged today than yesterday.

Playing into the enemedia propaganda that Trump is an aloof imbecile is what causes the trouble.  Steer clear of that and it's Golden.   tri22
Title: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 15, 2020, 06:25:33 pm
Coronavirus Outbreak
Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
By Golnaz Esfandiari, RFE/RL
March 07, 2020 05:12 AM

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Coronavirus Outbreak
Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
By Golnaz Esfandiari, RFE/RL
March 07, 2020 05:12 AM

 
FILE - Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps chief Hossein Salami speaks in Tehran, Iran, Sept. 21, 2019.
 
A top Iranian military official is giving voice to a conspiracy theory regarding the coronavirus amid an outbreak in the Islamic republic that has killed more than 100 people, including an adviser to Iran's supreme leader, and infected more than 3,500, according to official figures.

Hossein Salami, the commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, suggested Thursday that the coronavirus might be an American biological weapon — contradicting experts who say there's no evidence it could be man-made.

"Today, the country is engaged in a biological battle," Salami was quoted as saying by the semiofficial ISNA news agency. "We will prevail in the fight against this virus, which might be the product of an American biological [attack], which first spread in China and then to the rest of the world."
He added: "America should know that if it has done so, it will return to itself."

He provided no evidence to back his unfounded claim.

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/iranian-commander-suggests-virus-might-be-us-biological-weapon (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/iranian-commander-suggests-virus-might-be-us-biological-weapon)

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-outbreak-us-biological-attack-iran-commander-blames-usa-covid-19-2934762 (https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-outbreak-us-biological-attack-iran-commander-blames-usa-covid-19-2934762)

From the U.S.

https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/why-do-politicians-keep-breathing-life-into-the-false-conspiracy-theory-that-the-coronavirus-is-a-bioweapon/ (https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/why-do-politicians-keep-breathing-life-into-the-false-conspiracy-theory-that-the-coronavirus-is-a-bioweapon/)

Is it?
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 15, 2020, 06:28:26 pm
Right now I hope that Trump is working with world leaders to identify the cause of this virus.  Which many are saying has come from the Wuhan lab.  I believe it.  But if Iran is able to convince the ME, or even world that we are responsible we could be facing terrorism or war.  It could be a reality.  We need to look outside the box of just people being infected.  And hopefully through world coordination they can get to the truth.

pray.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 06:31:51 pm
But if Iran is able to convince the ME, or even world that we are responsible we could be facing terrorism or war. 

Oh please,  The Middle East would be overjoyed to see the demise of the Persian menace.  As for Iran, they have been chanting "Death to America for 40 years now.  Do you think anyone is going to listen to their anti-American BS?


pray.

That goes without saying.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 06:33:16 pm
Finally. Those Iranians are a bit slow on the uptake. Their benefactors the Chicoms have been trying to spread this rubbish for a few days now, I was wondering when they'd follow suit.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:35:02 pm
Let them allow paranoia to run rampant in their third-world S-Hole country.  And, as @Hoodat properly points out, the rest of the Arab ME hates the Persians.  If you think the Arab-Israeli hate is bad, then check out the Arab-Persian bad blood.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: mountaineer on March 15, 2020, 06:35:28 pm
The Chinese created it and they are responsible for spreading it all over the world.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:36:10 pm
Finally. Those Iranians are a bit slow on the uptake. Their benefactors the Chicoms have been trying to spread this rubbish for a few days now, I was wondering when they'd follow suit.

Yup.  All this does is attach Iran and China at the wrists and ankles.  A Good Thing.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 15, 2020, 06:37:16 pm
Oh please,  The Middle East would be overjoyed to see the demise of the Persian menace.  As for Iran, they have been chanting "Death to America for 40 years now.  Do you think anyone is going to listen to their anti-American BS?


That goes without saying.

OK, @Hoodat , but we have never seen anything like this.  In Italy they are letting the elderly die.  This is a worldwide epidemic.  Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if people turn to revenge.  Just saying.  And that is why it is so critical that this be a global effort to determine what is true or false.  To work together to get the vaccine.  And to crush all false narratives.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:37:39 pm
The Chinese created it and they are responsible for spreading it all over the world.

A stupid move, because now it has everybody else in the world re-examining their dependence upon China's cheap/slave labor.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:38:55 pm
OK, @Hoodat , but we have never seen anything like this.  In Italy they are letting the elderly die.  This is a worldwide epidemic.  Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if people turn to revenge.  Just saying.  And that is why it is so critical that this be a global effort to determine what is true or false.  To work together to get the vaccine.  And to crush all false narratives.

Can you see how knee-jerk Trump bashing is detrimental to that laudable cause?  It doesn't unite, it divides.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 06:41:36 pm
OK, @Hoodat , but we have never seen anything like this.  In Italy they are letting the elderly die.  This is a worldwide epidemic.  Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if people turn to revenge.  Just saying.  And that is why it is so critical that this be a global effort to determine what is true or false.  To work together to get the vaccine.  And to crush all false narratives.

FYI four different vaccines developed by 35 different companies are undergoing animal testing now. Human tests are expected in April, in two or three weeks.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 15, 2020, 06:45:43 pm
Can you see how knee-jerk Trump bashing is detrimental to that laudable cause?  It doesn't unite, it divides.

Scratch Knee-jerk.  I wouldn't want to be the President right now.  This is a huge responsibility, but he didn't take it as seriously as he should have in the beginning.  I won't fault him, because many people didn't realize what we were dealing with then.  I will fault him if his actions forward don't match the situation we have at hand.  Its going to take a lot to keep people calm.  And people need to hear the truth. 

What seems to be true that people who have recovered, haven't really.  It stays with them.  We need to know those people are not getting released and continue to infect people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 06:46:59 pm
@Victoria33 That makes sense to me.  I feel sorry for your pilot relative, and all the other people wondering about their future.  I feel certain travel will return soon if this virus shows signs of slowing down soon.  80 hours a week is insane.

That's a shame.  The world is a better place when you post here.  We are all Americans here.  We post here because we care about our country and we want to express it.  You do that exceptionally well.

When I respond to other Briefers there is an implicit admission that I respect the argument offered and think the point needs to be evaluated.  It is frustrating and painful to see people I actually admire consistently misconstrue my point, and to say nasty things to me, and identify me as their enemy.  The problem is once the nasty things are said, I find it hard to give the other side the benefit of the doubt, and so I stupidly respond in anger and frustration.  And then I don't like myself as much, for the evil thoughts that creep into my head...so I completely understand why you are laying low during this time of high tempers.

I'd like to think we are at a point, with this pandemic, that pointing the blame is mostly irrelevant now.  I'm sure many hiccups and much tragedy are to follow, that will renew the finger pointing, but I feel less outraged today than yesterday.

Awhile back you called me racist. That didn't help the conversation... I've kept my distance with you ever since. I actually like you. We could probably be friends in real life. But I also think you've gone off the rails about being objective. You don't care anymore is my best guess. Hopefully with time that will change.

Just my 2 cents...
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: mystery-ak on March 15, 2020, 06:48:01 pm
This should be in World News
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 06:49:11 pm
Scratch Knee-jerk.  I wouldn't want to be the President right now.  This is a huge responsibility, but he didn't take it as seriously as he should have in the beginning. 

False. Trump definitely did take it seriously in the beginning, even as he was being impeached and at great political risk.

Rhetorically he sought to calm people, which is what leaders are supposed to do. The worst you can accuse him of is being clumsy with his syntax.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:50:42 pm
This should be in World News

Agreed, and moved.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:51:45 pm
Scratch Knee-jerk

I meant what I wrote.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 06:53:13 pm
OK, @Hoodat , but we have never seen anything like this.

We have seen far worse before.  (See:  Polio, Spanish Flu, Smallpox)


In Italy they are letting the elderly die.

There is no connection between what Italy's state-run healthcare system is doing with its own people and the political rhetoric emanating from Iran's state-run media.


This is a worldwide epidemic.  Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if people turn to revenge.  Just saying

With Iran leading the charge?  Call me skeptical on this one.


And that is why it is so critical that this be a global effort to determine what is true or false.  To work together to get the vaccine.  And to crush all false narratives.

People all over the world are already working on a vaccine (primarily because there is a huge profit that can be realized from it).  As for the blame game, let's actually wait and see what happens first instead of jumping on board with Iranian/Chinese/Russian propaganda.  The rest of the world is counting on US wealth, ingenuity, and innovation to come to their rescue.  Again.  I'm really not worrying about them succumbing to anti-American conspiracy stories from third-world despots.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 06:55:39 pm
False. Trump definitely did take it seriously in the beginning, even as he was being impeached and at great political risk.

Rhetorically he sought to calm people, which is what leaders are supposed to do. The worst you can accuse him of is being clumsy with his syntax.

Perzackly, and I'd like to amplify that point. 

This is why Trump says a lot of things he gets criticized for, like saying good things about long-time enemies like NORK.  He knows words are relatively cheap when it comes to changing attitudes to enable real progress in international relations (as opposed to the fake "Progressives").  People like to jump on him for that as, dare I say, knee-jerk responses.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 06:56:19 pm
We have seen far worse before.  (See:  Polio, Spanish Flu, Smallpox)

I've heard there have been nearly 20k US deaths from the annual flu this year so far.

Perspective.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 07:00:04 pm
Perzackly, and I'd like to amplify that point. 

This is why Trump says a lot of things he gets criticized for, like saying good things about long-time enemies like NORK.  He knows words are relatively cheap when it comes to changing attitudes to enable real progress in international relations (as opposed to the fake "Progressives").  People like to jump on him for that as, dare I say, knee-jerk responses.

His inelegant manner of speaking really is the bane of his administration.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 07:04:52 pm
His inelegant manner of speaking really is the bane of his administration.

But it's also a paradigm-breaker. :shrug:
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 07:11:44 pm
OK, @Hoodat , but we have never seen anything like this.  In Italy they are letting the elderly die.  This is a worldwide epidemic.  Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if people turn to revenge.  Just saying.  And that is why it is so critical that this be a global effort to determine what is true or false.  To work together to get the vaccine.  And to crush all false narratives.

"letting" implies a choice. When there is more demand than resources available some people go without. That is a simple fact of life. Thank your lucky stars it isn't you faced with that dilemma.

As far as rage goes, that should be directed at China - later, the source of all this. Even if it didn't come out of a Chinese lab (I think it likely did) their lies and inaction following the beginning of outbreak greatly increased the damage to the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 07:15:24 pm
But it's also a paradigm-breaker. :shrug:

It has turned out that way, happily.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 07:19:55 pm
Awhile back you called me racist. That didn't help the conversation...

I can understand that @DB.  I'm sorry I only vaguely recall the conversation and I don't think I called you racist but probably implied it.  I don't remember why I wanted to make you feel bad, perhaps I was frustrated that you made a better point than I did and I felt petty.  The fact that it made an impression on you indicates you're not a racist, and it hurts to have me call you that, I apologize.

My impression of you is we agree more often than not on issues.

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I've kept my distance with you ever since. I actually like you. We could probably be friends in real life. But I also think you've gone off the rails about being objective. You don't care anymore is my best guess. Hopefully with time that will change.

Just my 2 cents...

I know I'm not objective.  Peace.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 15, 2020, 07:24:27 pm
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 07:25:14 pm
I can understand that @DB.  I'm sorry I only vaguely recall the conversation and I don't think I called you racist but probably implied it.  I don't remember why I wanted to make you feel bad, perhaps I was frustrated that you made a better point than I did and I felt petty.  The fact that it made an impression on you indicates you're not a racist, and it hurts to have me call you that, I apologize.

My impression of you is we agree more often than not on issues.

I know I'm not objective.  Peace.

Accepted and thank you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 15, 2020, 07:34:57 pm
Italy recorded 3,590 cases and 398 deaths in a 24 hour period, Italy’s Civil Protection chief Angelo Borelli announced Sunday
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487667-italy-reports-3590-more-coronavirus-cases-its-biggest
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 07:41:13 pm
Italy recorded 3,590 cases and 398 deaths in a 24 hour period, Italy’s Civil Protection chief Angelo Borelli announced Sunday
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487667-italy-reports-3590-more-coronavirus-cases-its-biggest

Key word, 3,590 more cases.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2020, 07:45:36 pm
Just curious, how many ventilators has Italy's state-run national healthcare system determined was adequate for a population of 60 million?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on March 15, 2020, 07:56:12 pm
I greatly appreciate your posts on this subject.  It's in your wheelhouse.  Kudos, @Victoria33!

@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty

Likewise I do value Anecdotal info. Thanks
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2020, 08:09:25 pm
@Once-Ler

The person who questioned my post about the airlines, posted a link about United Airlines.  That is about United and flights to ASIA.

Here's what the person posted @Victoria33  .... and the reason for posting it was to bring a ray of hope into your dark and cold prognostications --- to present an example that the airline industry is well aware of the situation, as are the unions, and other agreements for at least partial pay through this workforce furlough will be reached.

Here's what I posted ... sorry for rocking your world.

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United is offering pilots a month off at reduced pay after coronavirus spurred flight cuts, the union said
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/coronavirus-prompts-united-airlines-to-offer-pilots-a-month-for-flight-cuts.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/coronavirus-prompts-united-airlines-to-offer-pilots-a-month-for-flight-cuts.html)

I'm sure other airlines are working out similar deals with the unions for the temporary cutbacks caused by the need  to contain the coronavirus.

@Cyber Liberty



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 08:10:53 pm
Now, are we seeing a bit of a domino affect? I saw the latest fatalities out of France but I want to find an official source before posting. Spain too, suffering through this.

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More than 50% cases, deaths of coronavirus outside mainland China

March 15 (UPI) -- The number of worldwide coronavirus deaths passed 6,000 Sunday as virtually all new cases and fatalities have moved from the epicenter mainland China to other nations, including Italy and Iran.

More than half of the 162,433 confirmed covid-19 cases and 6,417 deaths are now outside mainland China, according a running total by the South China Morning Post.

Since originally concentrating in China, the outbreak has grown into a pandemic as declared by the World Health Organization on Wednesday.

Read more at: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/15/More-than-50-cases-deaths-of-coronavirus-outside-mainland-China/7441584276674/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/15/More-than-50-cases-deaths-of-coronavirus-outside-mainland-China/7441584276674/)
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Spain coronavirus deaths double overnight as daily life in Europe grinds to halt
By Robert Gearty | Fox News

Spain’s health officials reported Sunday the country’s death toll from the coronavirus took a dramatic jump in just one day--more than doubling from 136 a day before to 288.

The alarming news came as daily life increasingly grounds to a halt across Europe and beyond, amid efforts to combat the spread of the fast-moving virus.

Spain’s Health Ministry said there have been 7,753 infections, up from 5,700 on Saturday, with around half of them concentrated in the capital of Madrid.

Read more at:  https://www.foxnews.com/world/spain-coronavirus-deaths-double-overnight-to-288-as-daily-life-in-europe-grinds-to-halt (https://www.foxnews.com/world/spain-coronavirus-deaths-double-overnight-to-288-as-daily-life-in-europe-grinds-to-halt)

Dominoes but with some prudent action, hopefully, they won't get socked too bad.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 15, 2020, 08:23:14 pm
Germany closing some borders due to coronavirus so foreigners don’t wipe out supermarkets say reports

American Military News by Ryan Morgan March 15, 2020

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/germany-closing-some-borders-due-to-coronavirus-so-foreigners-dont-wipe-out-supermarkets-say-reports/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/germany-closing-some-borders-due-to-coronavirus-so-foreigners-dont-wipe-out-supermarkets-say-reports/)

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Germany is closing most of its border crossings with Austria, France and Switzerland on Monday as a measure to stop the spread of coronavirus as well as to prevent foreign visitors from mass purchasing crucial supplies.

The decision to close borders was first circulated through German tabloid media and later reported by the Austrian outlet, The Local AT. The border closure will reportedly take affect on Monday morning at 8 a.m.

The closure is meant to both prevent the spread of the coronavirus, COVID-19, as well as to prevent foreign travellers from making bulk purchases that have reportedly left some German border areas with supply shortages. Cargo shipments and cross-border commuters are reportedly exempted from the travel restriction.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: EdinVA on March 15, 2020, 08:26:59 pm
Quote
Tom Hanks survived 4 years on an island as a castaway A year in an airport without being able to leave
He had AIDS in Philly
He was in World War II and rescued Private Ryan;  and in Vietnam and rescued Lt. Dan
He was on a boat hijacked by Somali pirates and he survived on Apollo 13 trying to get to the Moon
He landed a plane on the Hudson River in NY
If he can’t survive the coronavirus, we’re all screwed!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2020, 08:29:55 pm
Key word, 3,590 more cases.

We know, Italy's a mess.  And we know the reasons why.

How about less panic and more prayer.   happy77
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2020, 08:36:59 pm
Quote
Svetlana
@RealSLokhova

· Mar 12

 Those with elderly relatives/friends/neighbours: set them up with online supermarket deliveries. That way you can order for them remotely. Quick, easy.

Worth considering.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 15, 2020, 08:40:46 pm
Quote
Italy has reported its biggest day-to-day jump in cases of COVID-19. National health authorities told reporters on Saturday that health officials recorded 3,497 new cases in 24 hours. That’s roughly a 20% increase in cases from the day before. A little more than half of those new cases occurred in Lombardy, the populous northern region which has been hardest hit in Europe’s worst outbreak. Italy’s total cases now tally 21,157.

The death toll rose by 175. A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north. They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools.

More at:  https://apnews.com/fd1743f8b54b17310cc6e4b3445f2914?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

So, per the authorities, "irresponsible behavior by many citizens" also seems to be contributing to the crises Italy faces.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 15, 2020, 08:41:10 pm
We know, Italy's a mess.  And we know the reasons why.

How about less panic and more prayer.   happy77

I was actually pointing out that Myst's headline quote was in error. It was missing the word "more"...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 08:42:50 pm
Worth considering.

Been doing this with my mom for several years already.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2020, 08:45:46 pm
I was actually pointing out that Myst's headline quote was in error. It was missing the word "more"...

 :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2020, 08:46:17 pm
Been doing this with my mom for several years already.

 888high58888
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 15, 2020, 08:53:48 pm
888high58888

I love my mamma.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LMAO on March 15, 2020, 08:55:16 pm


Didn’t  Tom Hanks character die in Saving Private Ryan
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 15, 2020, 09:47:22 pm
Playing into the enemedia propaganda that Trump is an aloof imbecile is what causes the trouble.  Steer clear of that and it's Golden.   tri22

@Cyber Liberty Thanx. It's a hard habit to break.   
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:16:19 am
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Kurdish-led administration in northern Syria ill-prepared for coronavirus outbreak
Wladimir van Wilgenburg

ERBIL (Kurdistan 24) – The Kurdish-led Autonomous Administration of North and East of Syria (AANES) is poorly prepared for the coronavirus crisis due to an already overtaxed and fragile health system that has no testing facilities, according to international organizations and experts.

On Saturday, local authorities announced the closure of schools and the cancellation of public events due to the threat posed by the coronavirus. Since Feb. 26, the administration had already been restricting civilians recently in Europe from entering through the Semalka border crossing.

In the cities of Tabqa and in Manbij, those coming from outside AANES-controlled areas are also being checked by medical teams for symptoms before being permitted to enter and additional mobile teams are working to spread information about the virus and make recommendations aimed at curbing contagion

Read more at: https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/c8dc5da3-a2b9-4161-a8e4-de0e67b2121b (https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/c8dc5da3-a2b9-4161-a8e4-de0e67b2121b)

As if these people have not gone through enough.

Written by the Dutchmen,  Wladimir Wilgenburg  (https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg) whom we have discussed before.  Seems like a pretty fair journalist.

Must be somewhere over there:

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Wladimir Retweeted
NRT English
@NRT_English
24-hour curfew in Halabja staring 12 a.m. Monday to prevent spread of coronavirus

Governor urges no gravesite visits on 32nd  anniversary of chemical attack


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETLDbRsXYAACpQU?format=jpg&name=small)

http://nrttv.com/EN/News.aspx?id=20143&MapID=1 (http://nrttv.com/EN/News.aspx?id=20143&MapID=1)
 #NRTnews #Iraq #TwitterKurds #Halabja #Coronavirus

That above, chemical attack must mean when Saddam attacked, so that means around 1988.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:23:56 am
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Israel stands with the brave people of Italy in face of the Coronavirus outbreak
by BtNews · March 15, 2020

(https://i0.wp.com/btnews.online/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Israel-stands-with-the-brave-people-of-Italy-in-face-of-the-Coronavirus-outbreak.jpg?resize=720%2C340&ssl=1)

https://btnews.online/israel-stands-with-the-brave-people-of-italy-in-face-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak/ (https://btnews.online/israel-stands-with-the-brave-people-of-italy-in-face-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak/)

Get this, they think they've found an anti-body but they need billions to get to testing. Billions probably is not that much IF they actually found one that would work, it'd probably be chump change.


Quote
Dutch researchers claim to find coronavirus antibody
Source : 112 Ukraine
The antibody still has to be tested on human beings and this will take a few months. The researches say that they do not want to raise false expectations, though it is a promising first step.
20:42, 15 March 2020
(https://img.112.international/original/2020/03/15/289017.jpeg)
Frank Grosveld, Professor of Cell Biology
https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/ (https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/)


Researchers from Utrecht University, together with fellow researchers from Erasmus MC and biotech company Harbor BioMed, have developed a human antibody that can inhibit the new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) which causes the respiratory disease otherwise known as COVID-19. Netherlands' Erasmus Magazine reported. 

The researches say that they do not want to raise false expectations, though it is a promising first step.

"Research leader Berend-Jan Bosch of the Utrecht University does not want to raise false expectations. It is a promising first step in the journey towards a cure however it is far too early to speculate about the potential efficacy in humans. The research is being reviewed by a leading scientific journal. Further comments can be provided once the article has been accepted," reads the message.

Read more at:  https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/dutch-researchers-claim-to-find-coronavirus-antibody-49538.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel (https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/dutch-researchers-claim-to-find-coronavirus-antibody-49538.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel)

So, I think I'll leave that little bit of good feeling and good news of these last two stories to hope, things start going positive. Somewhere I picked up is we may have 4 weeks of this "hunkering down".
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:28:34 am
@Cyber Liberty Thanx. It's a hard habit to break.

Reading your posts takes alot of getting used to.

Should learn to live with it. But I don't want to.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 02:32:49 am
Get this, they think they've found an anti-body but they need billions to get to testing. Billions probably is not that much IF they actually found one that would work, it'd probably be chump change.


So, I think I'll leave that little bit of good feeling and good news of these last two stories to hope, things start going positive. Somewhere I picked up is we may have 4 weeks of this "hunkering down".

I can do that.  8 weeks if I have to, but I might run out of beer. :terror:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 16, 2020, 02:39:30 am
I can do that.  8 weeks if I have to, but I might run out of beer. :terror:

Start a batch of beer tomorrow. Five days to ferment. One day to bottle. Four weeks to age. You'll be all set.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 01:49:19 pm
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Israel seeing decrease in terror activity in the ME as Iran’s death toll from coronavirus rises to 853
by BtNews · March 16, 2020

The IDF is seeing a decrease in the amount of terror activity in the Middle East by Israel’s enemies due to the continued spread of the coronavirus, IDF Spokesperson Hidai Zilberman told reporters on Monday.

“There are countries who have gotten it way worse than us with this coronavirus story, and as a result, their activities are at a slower pace,” Zilberman said.

Read more at: https://btnews.online/israel-seeing-decrease-in-terror-activity-in-the-me-as-irans-death-toll-from-coronavirus-rises-to-853/

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A War Plan for the Next Coronavirus Starts Now
Bloomberg · by James Stavridis · March 14, 2020

History tells us that every century or two, there is a particularly virulent pathogen that poses a significant global threat to humans. We don't know if the coronavirus will have the transmission rate of the Spanish Influenza of a century ago - which infected more than a third of the world's population - and it hasn't had anything like the 60% lethality of the Avian Flu of 1997. But what if someday we face a biological opponent that combines both?

Obviously, we are in an all-hands-on-deck moment. Our best scientists and physicians are working desperately to develop both a vaccine to prevent infection and drugs to mitigate the effects of Covid-19, the actual disease caused by the coronavirus. But even as we struggle to contain, treat and ultimately defeat the coronavirus, we need to be thinking about  next pandemic. How can experience from past crises be useful in combating this one? How can we ensure that lessons learned from the coronavirus fight are used to prepare us for the next time?


I'll start with my area of expertise. People usually think of our militaries as optimized to destroy things and apply lethal force. But in my career, I learned that the best use of the military is to bring order out of chaos. For example, when I was commander of the U.S. Southern Command in 2010, we dealt with a cholera outbreak that infected half a million Haitians. Working with militaries of friendly nations - Chile, Brazil, Argentina - we built hospitals and shelters; oversaw improvements in water supplies and hygiene (the keys to battling cholera); provided electricity to schools, hospitals and clinics; and gave a sense of stability with crowd-control and law-enforcement assistance.

See more at: https://myemail.constantcontact.com/A-War-Plan-for-the-Next-Coronavirus-Starts-Now.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=zpDDvoOh4wc

Seems like important information.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 01:52:07 pm
Repeating from the other thread:

We just went from 3 in my town to another three this morning according to the latest text alert from Nixle.


If you don’t have Nixle texts I do recommend them. Google Nixle. Then type where you live. These alerts really do come in handy not only for heath but they tell you about traffic and where there’s an accident as well as what roads are down. Saves driving time!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 16, 2020, 01:52:21 pm
Thanks for all the updates and information.

@Cyber Liberty I just opened my last can of coffee! I forgot to buy another can! This is bad. Mamma needs her daily cup of coffee!  :coffee!: :coffee!:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:02:08 pm
Someone noted this story, this is not their source but it is the same story:
Quote

In January we met with a friend from Taiwan who does political and economic risk analysis and he shared that China actually dejected the first case as early as October.  But even if the earliest case was November it still shows how irresponsibly China acted.

New data reveals coronavirus patient zero might be from mid-November
https://www.jpost.com/International/New-data-reveals-coronavirus-patient-zero-might-be-from-mid-November-620994 (https://www.jpost.com/International/New-data-reveals-coronavirus-patient-zero-might-be-from-mid-November-620994)
For context, the outbreak was only first brought to the attention of the World Health Organization at the end of December.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF     MARCH 15, 2020 05:42

Newly reviewed data from the Chinese government reveals that patient zero of the  coronavirus outbreak may have been infected earlier than previously believed, The South China Morning Post reported.According to the data, which has not yet been made public, the COVID-19 virus was likely first contracted by a 55-year-old man from China's Hubei Province on November 17, 2019.

For context, the outbreak was only first brought to the attention of the World Health Organization at the end of December.However, this data is far from conclusive, as increasing reviews of the data from the Chinese government keep placing the beginning of the outbreak further and further back.Since November 17, one to five new cases were reported on a daily basis, slowly increasing as time went on. On December 15, 27 cases were confirmed. By December 20, that number had jumped to 60. The year 2019 ended with 266 cases, and ended the first day of 2020 with over 380. While the first nine cases were reported in November, it is unknown if any of them are patient zero.However, it is possible that there could have been earlier cases."The findings might indicate that the coronavirus started circulating weeks before the first cases were officially diagnosed and reported," wrote Business Insider's Holly Secon.

Continued at:  https://myemail.constantcontact.com/New-data-reveals-coronavirus-patient-zero-might-be-from-mid-November.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=QpndlZuZY4o (https://myemail.constantcontact.com/New-data-reveals-coronavirus-patient-zero-might-be-from-mid-November.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=QpndlZuZY4o)

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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
After only 5 days' short rest, the 4th medical support team from #Guangxi province returning to #Wuhan on Mar 14 to battle #COVID2019
#Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic #coronaviruschina
This is not a rumor, Chinese official report: https://new.qq.com/omn/20200314/2 (https://new.qq.com/omn/20200314/2)


https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239369039161503744 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239369039161503744)

It's too note,  there are reports of people not 'really' recovering and the like. Even sometimes, it appears people test negative and then, later, positive at this point at least.

NTD, New Tang Dynasty News, this seems to be connected to The Epoch Times news outfit.

Throughout this whole matter, Jennifer Zeng's twitter has had quite a bit of valuable information, sometimes, the kind one does not care to see. She apparently is located in NYC New York.  So, she is probably getting the information in email and the like.

Yes, NOTE: China being sued and this makes a lot of sense to me, whether people will ever see money if they win their lawsuit, that's pretty questionable.

Quote
Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
美國佛州律師及四名公民就 #武漢肺炎  的蔓延發起對中共政府的集體訴訟。
Class Action Filed Against China Over COVID-19 Outbreak https://at.law.com/Bh2q8w?cmp=share_twitter (https://at.law.com/Bh2q8w?cmp=share_twitter)
 via @dbreview

As said, a font of information.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:07:02 pm
Quote
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
Please stop spreading stupid rumors about marshall law.

COMPLETELY FALSE

We will continue to see closings & restrictions on hours of non-essential businesses in certain cities & states. But that is NOT marshall law.


https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1239553159154057216

Forget the places that are restricting gatherings to no more than 100 people, it seems one place was limiting it to 5 people, within reason I am sure, you have families that are larger and workplaces? Their must be some fine print to this. Colorado may be limiting gatherings to no more than 50 people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 02:15:51 pm
Thanks for all the updates and information.

@Cyber Liberty I just opened my last can of coffee! I forgot to buy another can! This is bad. Mamma needs her daily cup of coffee!  :coffee!: :coffee!:

Too bad I can't send it over the internet!  I just got 4 fresh canisters...I get them from Amazon, you could probably get it same-day where you live.  It takes a minimum of two days here in our smallish town.

We've already been using Walmart curbside pickup, it's nice.  All this talk of "social distancing" is in my wheelhouse.  It's a good time to be hermits!  We got this....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 02:17:51 pm
Thanks for all the updates and information.

@Cyber Liberty I just opened my last can of coffee! I forgot to buy another can! This is bad. Mamma needs her daily cup of coffee!  :coffee!: :coffee!:

Finally!  Something worth panicking over.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 16, 2020, 02:19:03 pm

Coronavirus: UK coronavirus cases rise to 1,543 - up by 171




https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-coronavirus-cases-rise-to-1-543-up-by-171-11958319 :rolling:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:20:03 pm
Finally!  Something worth panicking over.

I'm looking for recent US stats for the disease - all I can find is there've been 2 additional deaths since yesterday AM.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 16, 2020, 02:21:56 pm
I'm looking for recent US stats for the disease - all I can find is there've been 2 additional deaths since yesterday AM.
I heard five, all in New York City.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 02:22:23 pm
I'm looking for recent US stats for the disease - all I can find is there've been 2 additional deaths since yesterday AM.

US stats are worthless until they begin reporting recoveries.

In business, you get what you count.  If you treat your departments as cost centers rather than profit centers, then you get costs.  We are looking for recoveries here - not deaths.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 16, 2020, 02:24:01 pm
Finally!  Something worth panicking over.

I know! I bought a big box of sweet n low with 350 packets, and a 50 packet box of the green stuff. Then two bottles of powdered cream substitute. I always try to keep one or more of those on backup. Learned that from Sandy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:24:31 pm
IF I see stats that this is not spreading in the USA or not spreading much, good for those who are working for its containment. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 16, 2020, 02:24:53 pm
US stats are worthless until they begin reporting recoveries.
Indeed. We're getting to the point where they should be recovering, but there've been no reports so far.

We'll know whether we've turned a corner or not once we start seeing the recoveries outpacing new infections. That'll be a few weeks down the road.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:25:37 pm
US stats are worthless until they begin reporting recoveries.

In business, you get what you count.  If you treat your departments as cost centers rather than profit centers, then you get costs.  We are looking for recoveries here - not deaths.

I get your point, but deaths is another stark way to show trends which may or may not justify the public reaction.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 16, 2020, 02:26:36 pm
IF I see stats that this is not spreading in the USA, good for those who are working for its containment.
We'll see. We're not there yet. BUT it seems we have tightened down the international entry component of this, so areas that haven't had community spread yet probably are not yet in immediate risk of it. If we're lucky, and these lockdown measures work, it'll stay that way. But we might not see for sure for a week or more, just because of that incubation period.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 02:27:45 pm
I get your point, but deaths is another stark way to show trends which may or may not justify the public reaction.

There is a direct correlation between the public reaction and the number of minutes spent watching CNN.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 16, 2020, 02:29:34 pm
Indeed. We're getting to the point where they should be recovering, but there've been no reports so far.

We'll know whether we've turned a corner or not once we start seeing the recoveries outpacing new infections. That'll be a few weeks down the road.

WORLD / COUNTRIES / UNITED STATES
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Last updated: March 16, 2020, 14:25 GMT
 United States
Coronavirus Cases:
3,808
Deaths:
70
Recovered:
73

- - - - - -

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:30:06 pm
There is a direct correlation between the public reaction and the number of minutes spent watching CNN.

Which rises exponentially as we all become shut ins.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:31:28 pm
Indeed. We're getting to the point where they should be recovering, but there've been no reports so far.

We'll know whether we've turned a corner or not once we start seeing the recoveries outpacing new infections. That'll be a few weeks down the road.

Really? Reporting on new cases is useless? If one county goes from 5 to 10 the next day it's useless??? And one wants to stay out of the way?  *****rollingeyes*****

(https://redanglespanish.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/alrightythen.jpg)

You really can't make some of this up.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2020, 02:31:38 pm
Thanks for all the updates and information.

@Cyber Liberty I just opened my last can of coffee! I forgot to buy another can! This is bad. Mamma needs her daily cup of coffee!  :coffee!: :coffee!:

Been on tea all weekend myself.  8888crybaby
Fixin to go to town - Went on friday eve and saturday, and just turned around. Too many ppl. Hopefully it will be less today. If not I am bulling through it anyway, just to get it out of my hair.

And the very first stop? My favorite Copper Mountain Coffee hut.  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 16, 2020, 02:32:00 pm
Which rises exponentially as we all become shut ins.

Netflix and chill. Easier on your mental health imho.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:34:03 pm
Netflix and chill. Easier on your mental health imho.

Good advise, 'cept I'll chill w/Amazon. Ever since Netflix started partnering with The One they've gotten real preachy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 16, 2020, 02:34:19 pm
Really? Reporting on new cases is useless? If one county goes from 5 to 10 the next day it's useless??? And one wants to stay out of the way?

(https://redanglespanish.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/alrightythen.jpgg)

You really can't make some of this up.
Where did I say that???
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 16, 2020, 02:36:15 pm
WORLD / COUNTRIES / UNITED STATES
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Last updated: March 16, 2020, 14:25 GMT
 United States
Coronavirus Cases:
3,808
Deaths:
70
Recovered:
73

- - - - - -

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Clarification: I'm mainly following here in the northeast, especially New York, which has a few outbreaks, mainly downstate. Given the number of infections I'm surprised New York hasn't reported any official recoveries yet.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 16, 2020, 02:37:38 pm
Here in Washington State we have new rules.  Restaurants, bars, gym, theatre. Restaurants can still provide take out.  All gatherings not allowed over 50.  Under 50 only if they can prove they are providing appropriate hygiene and social distancing.

I won't doubt if we are all going to be shut out of work soon.  People still going to the store and hoarding though.  No church yesterday.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 02:37:59 pm
Netflix and chill. Easier on your mental health imho.

We've been watching Stargate SG1 on Amazon Prime.  We watched all of Farscape, and Babylon 5 up to the paywall so we switched to the Stargate. 

At the moment I'm watching Fox Business, out normal morning routine.  The Market hit the first circuit breaker about 10 seconds after the open so it promptly closed for 15 minutes. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:40:58 pm
There is a direct correlation between the public reaction and the number of minutes spent watching CNN.

Yeah, you got any proof of this or other remarks? Are you can expert on this? Posting the video of some doctor who has used cocaine?

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/not-perfect-dr-drew-opens-cocaine-alcohol-article-1.2248472 (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/not-perfect-dr-drew-opens-cocaine-alcohol-article-1.2248472)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 02:42:28 pm
Here in Washington State we have new rules.  Restaurants, bars, gym, theatre. Restaurants can still provide take out.  All gatherings not allowed over 50.  Under 50 only if they can prove they are providing appropriate hygiene.

I won't doubt if we are all going to be shut out of work soon.  People still going to the store and hoarding though.  No church yesterday.

Arizona closed gatherings of 50 people or greater.  We had our Republican District fundraiser Saturday night, but it would not have been affected because we held in in Nevada.  Laughlin is where the good ballrooms are, across the River from where I live in AZ.

(The fundraiser went well.  Good turnout, brought in $10K.  The Trump Campaign is kicking in some money to help us keep our Headquarters open by holding volunteer training there.)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 16, 2020, 02:42:33 pm
Clarification: I'm mainly following here in the northeast, especially New York, which has a few outbreaks, mainly downstate. Given the number of infections I'm surprised New York hasn't reported any official recoveries yet.

That is what I was looking at the other day from a CDC source.  1 recovery?  Is that accurate?  People could get a bit worried.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 02:43:57 pm
Yeah, you got any proof of this or other remarks? Are you can expert on this? Posting the video of some doctor who has used cocaine?

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/not-perfect-dr-drew-opens-cocaine-alcohol-article-1.2248472 (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/not-perfect-dr-drew-opens-cocaine-alcohol-article-1.2248472)

So the press is running stories to shut down Doctors that don't toe the panic line?  Nice. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 16, 2020, 02:45:12 pm
Clarification: I'm mainly following here in the northeast, especially New York, which has a few outbreaks, mainly downstate. Given the number of infections I'm surprised New York hasn't reported any official recoveries yet.

The John Hopkins map link provides updates per state.  Click on the US from the list of the left.  Only deaths, no recovery reported for NY as of now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:45:44 pm
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US stats are worthless until they begin reporting recoveries.

Again, if cases go from 2 to 4 in one day and to 8 the next day in my county, darn sure I want to know and it's hardly some abstract where we need to see recoveries  first.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:45:50 pm
That is what I was looking at the other day from a CDC source.  1 recovery?  Is that accurate?  People could get a bit worried.

The half dozen times in my life I've had the flu badly it has taken 3 or 4 weeks to recover. This seems to be a bad flu.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 02:45:50 pm
Really? Reporting on new cases is useless? If one county goes from 5 to 10 the next day it's useless??? And one wants to stay out of the way?  *****rollingeyes*****

So what are you going to do differently?  How is your behavior going to change if you read a report that a neighboring county has five new cases?  Seriously.  Will it cause you to double your output of fear-mongering on this forum?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:49:00 pm
So the press is running stories to shut down Doctors that don't toe the panic line?  Nice.

I'm listening to some expert on the radio right now saying totally recovery could take 6 to 8 months. Convenient.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:49:01 pm
DR JOHN CAMPBELL (suggested)

Fox news today, short and sweet
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100 million locked down in Europe, 16 March
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In other news, Washington Times, Pentagon scales back Joint exercises in Europe.

I've had a slow stream some this morning.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 02:50:00 pm
The half dozen times in my life I've had the flu badly it has taken 3 or 4 weeks to recover. This seems to be a bad flu.

The sickest I ever got was back in 2000 when that Spanish flu variant was making the rounds.  It took me about 6 days to recover - just enough time to get past cigarette withdrawal.  Haven't smoked a cigarette since.






And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

Romans 8:28
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 02:54:42 pm
I'm listening to some expert on the radio right now saying totally recovery could take 6 to 8 months. Convenient.

I had not heard this but I don't doubt this at all.

Someone in fact here, in Washington State in fact, was saying something about people not recovering there.

An article was posted that the Avian flu had a much higher mortality rate in 1997, apparently so. I don't remember the big hubbub with that, maybe I wasn't keeping up.

It does look like the Avian flu did have a high mortality rate vs. this flu but maybe not the same contagious rate.
https://www.medscape.com/answers/2500029-166798/what-are-the-mortality-rates-of-avian-influenza (https://www.medscape.com/answers/2500029-166798/what-are-the-mortality-rates-of-avian-influenza)

(https://www.bing.com/th?id=APkXQiBBEtm3Bog1808x1150&w=432&h=274&c=7&rs=1&qlt=80&cdv=1&pid=16.1)

But the bird flu saw people directly infected by the birds apparently, so that's way different.

This virus appears to be very contagious.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 02:58:08 pm
I had not heard this but I don't doubt this at all.

Someone in fact here, in Washington State in fact, was saying something about people not recovering there.

An article was posted that the Avian flu had a much higher mortality rate in 1997, apparently so. I don't remember the big hubbub with that, maybe I wasn't keeping up.

It does look like the Avian flu did have a high mortality rate vs. this flu but maybe not the same contagious rate.
https://www.medscape.com/answers/2500029-166798/what-are-the-mortality-rates-of-avian-influenza (https://www.medscape.com/answers/2500029-166798/what-are-the-mortality-rates-of-avian-influenza)

(https://www.bing.com/th?id=APkXQiBBEtm3Bog1808x1150&w=432&h=274&c=7&rs=1&qlt=80&cdv=1&pid=16.1)

But the bird flu saw people directly infected by the birds apparently, so that's way different.

This virus appears to be very contagious.

I am wondering what will be considered 'complete recovery'. We never really get rid of any virus we contract.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 03:22:38 pm
Jennifer Zeng again and this video is a Taiwanese TV show. Zeng said on her channel that back in 2013,  Taiwan was warning about this. The facts show China's probably at big fault here, so this is why China is probably trying to turn all of this around and blame the US. A thorough investigation is needed. China needs to be totally boycotted, they got away with this too long. The problem is now, the world economy is so integrated with them. It's a captioned video from the Chinese they are speaking.

Zeng:

Ever wondering why #Taiwan is doing so well in combatting #COVID2019? Watch this show in 2013, in which they discussed how evil #CCP's scientists are for creating #superviruses that could kill a hundred million, and questioned the possibilities of such viruses escaping labs.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BKQdRw0jLA#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 03:36:15 pm
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Jenan Moussa
@jenanmoussa
·
8m
Queues to buy guns in LA

Buyers are scared of what will happen if people run out of food and supplies because of #CoronaVirus.

Via @AmeliaAdams9

See video:  https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa

Yes, we've got some situation on our hands, pretty radical to see this.
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
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2m
The House bill sets up a complicated relief system that relies on paid sick leave & refundable tax credits.

That won’t move quickly enough & puts undue pressure on businesses to lay off workers.

We don’t want to see layoffs—we need cash in the hands of affected families.

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1239575319989882880

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Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
It won’t change anything but wanted to leave it for the record

Given what #COVID19 did to #China & now #Italy political potshots from all sides are really trivial

If we don’t change the trajectory of our current infection rate, in a few days no one will care about politics
10:34 AM · Mar 16, 2020·Twitter for iPad

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1239575726095044610
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 16, 2020, 03:55:42 pm
The sickest I ever got was back in 2000 when that Spanish flu variant was making the rounds.  It took me about 6 days to recover - just enough time to get past cigarette withdrawal.  Haven't smoked a cigarette since.

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

Romans 8:28


In the late 1990's, 1997?, I got the flu and was throwing up blood... Had to go to the hospital for that and being severely dehydrated... The funny thing was I had borderline high blood pressure prior to that. I was told I needed to start taking high blood pressure medication. My blood pressure has been normal to low normal ever since then... Something about that adventure reset my blood pressure to a significantly lower level.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 04:10:00 pm
A lot of the news is not good at all and suggests somewhat of a long haul. I might even forget that this will be resolved any time soon:

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UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus

    Coronavirus – latest updates

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for 12 more months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.

It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.

More at: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 04:35:40 pm
Washington Times:

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EXCLUSIVE: Russia and China flood web with coronavirus lies blaming U.S.; State Dept. fights back
State Department combats China's attempt to reshape narrative, blame Washington

 By Guy Taylor - The Washington Times - Sunday, March 15, 2020

China, Russia and Iran are flooding the global information space with false claims about the new coronavirus, according to U.S. officials, who say one of the biggest lies — that the virus that causes COVID-19 is a U.S. bioweapon and was brought to China by U.S. Army personnel — is just the latest in a “surge of propaganda” aimed at undermining America’s image on the world stage.

Beijing, Moscow and Tehran are using a vast web of social media accounts, fake news outlets and state-controlled global satellite media to promote false claims by academics and, at times, government officials to blame Washington for the crisis now gripping most of humanity.

The head of a key State Department counterdisinformation office said U.S. officials are ramping up their own efforts to counter lies about the new coronavirus that were first seeded by Russia in January and that China is now pushing in a bid to make Beijing appear as a superior global power to the United States.


Read more at:  https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-lies-pushed-china-blame-virus-us-biowe/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-lies-pushed-china-blame-virus-us-biowe/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push)
Title: ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2020, 04:47:27 pm
ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad
By Robert Gearty | Fox News

    After years of urging its terrorists to attack major European cities, ISIS is now advising them to steer clear due to the coronavirus, according to reports.

ISIS’ al-Naba newsletter contains “sharia directives” urging its healthy members not to enter “the land of the epidemic” to avoid becoming infected, the New York Post reported Sunday.

But any sick jihadists already in Europe should stay there — presumably, to sicken infidels, the paper reported. The Sunday Times of London first reported on the newsletter, according to the paper.

The “healthy should not enter the land of the epidemic and the afflicted should not exit from it,” the ISIS newsletter advises, according to the Post.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/isis-tells-its-terrorists-not-to-travel-to-europe (https://www.foxnews.com/world/isis-tells-its-terrorists-not-to-travel-to-europe)
Title: Re: ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad
Post by: mountaineer on March 16, 2020, 04:50:30 pm
Um, wut?  No virgins if you succumb to virus us in the midst of a suicide attack?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 05:04:27 pm
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Sky News Breaking
@SkyNewsBreak
Prime Minister Boris Johnson says anyone who lives with someone who has a cough or a temperature should stay at home for 14 days
11:56 AM · Mar 16, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1239596456841019392

Can you imagine, some coughing is widespread, from smokers to others... pretty amazing.
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Washington Examiner
@dcexaminer
·
3m
"Nobody is going to get hired next week,"

@realDonaldTrump
's former adviser warns that the US economic situation will deteriorate.

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Buddy dawgmadd Wise

Supreme Court suspends oral arguments 4 March/early April over spread of c-virus n U.S.

No new date set for postponed arguments including whether House Dimms can obtain Trump's financial records

6 of 9 justices 65 & older, higher risk

God bless America
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 05:23:31 pm
I was going to say they've flipped their wigs, but then I realized that train left the station a long, long time ago.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 06:26:55 pm
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Fourth coronavirus death in Greece, 96 arrests
Published
Mar 15, 2020, 10:17 pm SGT

ATHENS (AFP) - Greece announced a new coronavirus death on Sunday (March 15), the country's youngest fatality, bringing the toll to four, while police arrested citizens that defied a lockdown.

The 53-year-old man, who had been in intensive care, died early on Sunday, the director of the AHEPA Hospital, Dr Panagiotis Panteliadis, told the Athens News Agency.

He had been working in a medical laboratory in the northern city of Kozani.

Read more at: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/fourth-coronavirus-death-in-greece-96-arrests (https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/fourth-coronavirus-death-in-greece-96-arrests)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 06:44:25 pm
One continent has not been discussed much, Africa. There are just a number of stories out there that a whole lot of Africa is declaring travel bans, closing the borders and so on.

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South Africa's Ramaphosa declares state of disaster over COVID-19
Wendell Roelf

CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - South African president Cyril Ramaphosa declared a national state of disaster on Sunday as he announced a range of measures to contain a COVID-19 outbreak that has so far infected 61 and showed the first signs of internal transmission.

In a live television broadcast after a special cabinet meeting, Ramaphosa said the outbreak, first detected on March 5, could have a significant and “potentially lasting” impact on a struggling economy, which is already in recession.

Measures to be taken include travel bans to countries such as Italy, Germany, China and the United States. The government will also prohibit gatherings of more than 100 people and cancel large events and celebrations, he said.

More:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica-idUSKBN21214A (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-safrica-idUSKBN21214A)

NY Times: 30 of 54  African countries, so that's over half. https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/16/world/africa/ap-af-virus-outbreak-africa.html (https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/16/world/africa/ap-af-virus-outbreak-africa.html)   So, not too severe yet.

Egypt reports 13 new cases of coronavirus, bringing total to 93
https://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFKBN2110CJ-OZATP (https://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFKBN2110CJ-OZATP)

Schools shut for 2 weeks:  https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-14/egypt-suspends-schools-universities-for-two-weeks-from-sunday (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-14/egypt-suspends-schools-universities-for-two-weeks-from-sunday)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 06:50:11 pm
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South Africa's Ramaphosa declares state of disaster over COVID-19
Wendell Roelf

CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - South African president Cyril Ramaphosa declared a national state of disaster on Sunday as he announced a range of measures to contain a COVID-19 outbreak that has so far infected 61 and showed the first signs of internal transmission.

I have a colleague from South Africa.  He said the news there was doing man-on-the-street interviews asking people if they were worried about the virus.  The typical response was, "No, I use condoms."
Title: Re: ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad
Post by: berdie on March 16, 2020, 06:50:46 pm
Um, wut?  No virgins if you succumb to virus us in the midst of a suicide attack?




Irony at it's finest.
Title: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2020, 07:17:34 pm
Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says

By Travis Fedschun | Fox News

While millions of Americans are holed up at home and stocks nosedived again on Monday as the coronavirus outbreak drags on, the defense minister from an African nation described the deadly pandemic as God's punishment for sanctions imposed by the U.S. and other Western countries.

Zimbabwe’s defense minister, Oppah Muchinguri, spoke Saturday at a meeting of ruling party supporters, where she claimed that COVID-19, which has left thousands dead across the globe, is "sanctions against the countries that have imposed sanctions on us."

"God is punishing them now and they are staying indoors now while their economy is screaming like what they did to ours by imposing sanctions on us,” Muchinguri said at a rally in Chinhoyi, located about 75 miles northwest of the capital, Harare.

Muchinguri also took aim in her criticism of the U.S. at President Trump.

“(Donald) Trump should know that he is not God. They must face the consequences of coronavirus so that they also feel the pain,” she said in the local Shona language, according to local media.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-us-zimbabwe-sanction-pain-viral-outbreak (https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-us-zimbabwe-sanction-pain-viral-outbreak)
Title: Re: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 07:20:57 pm
Thanks for the reminder.  No vaccines for Zimbabwe.
Title: BREAKING: France will be put on lockdown to stop the spread of coronavirus, president says
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2020, 07:38:39 pm
Just breaking....
Title: Re: BREAKING: France will be put on lockdown to stop the spread of coronavirus, president says
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 08:20:24 pm
Shut down,

Lock down...

I wonder if there is a significant difference in these definitions.  And what is the significance, France has closed all restaurants and bars I understand.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 16, 2020, 08:24:11 pm
Trump announced during press conference that this could last well until July - August.  Also during the press conference -- the vaccine tested will still need to have proven results.  Vaccine may not be here until 2021. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: France will be put on lockdown to stop the spread of coronavirus, president says
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 16, 2020, 08:31:05 pm
France Issues Lockdown As Coronavirus Rages Through Europe.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/03/14/france-issues-lockdown-as-coronavirus-rages-through-europe-heres-how-other-countries-are-slowing-it-down/#74a480172169 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/03/14/france-issues-lockdown-as-coronavirus-rages-through-europe-heres-how-other-countries-are-slowing-it-down/#74a480172169)
Title: Re: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 16, 2020, 08:38:19 pm
A year from now, in all likelihood, the epidemic will basically be over in the US, an effective vaccine available, Donald Trump will be President, and Zimbabwe will still be a self-created Hell-hole.  Admittedly, only that latter point is certain.
Title: Re: ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 08:39:03 pm
No suicide attacks for fear of catching a virus?  Huh?  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 08:50:36 pm
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
·
5h
According to an Italian source,  92,000 will be infected in Italy and the #CoronavirusOutbreak will peak on March 18.
http://amp.ilsole24ore.com/pagina/ADfgS9c (http://amp.ilsole24ore.com/pagina/ADfgS9c)

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd)

How about this!?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETQcKIuWoAEhtbs?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: BREAKING: France will be put on lockdown to stop the spread of coronavirus, president says
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2020, 08:51:17 pm
France's Macron calls for all citizens to remain confined in homes: 'We're at war'

https://thehill.com/policy/international/487870-frances-macron-calls-for-all-citizens-to-remain-confined-in-homes-were
Title: Re: BREAKING: France will be put on lockdown to stop the spread of coronavirus, president says
Post by: GtHawk on March 16, 2020, 09:20:04 pm
France's Macron calls for all citizens to remain confined in homes: 'We're at war'

https://thehill.com/policy/international/487870-frances-macron-calls-for-all-citizens-to-remain-confined-in-homes-were
Moslems rioting in the streets in 3.....2.....1
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 16, 2020, 09:40:20 pm
No, Coronavirus Isn't 'Just Like The Flu'. Here Are The Very Important Differences

Aches and pains, sore throat, fever – although they may feel similar to those suffering from their symptoms, the novel coronavirus is not the same as the seasonal flu, experts stressed Wednesday.

COVID-19, the illness caused by coronavirus, proves deadly in around 3.5 percent of confirmed cases.

While this is not the same as its mortality rate, given many people may be infected but not realise it, it is significantly higher than seasonal flu, which typically kills 0.1 percent of patients.

"There is still considerable uncertainty around the fatality rates of COVID-19 and it likely varies depending on the quality of local healthcare," said Francois Balloux, Professor of Computational Systems Biology at University College London.

"That said, it is around two percent on average, which is about 20 times higher than for the seasonal flu lineages currently in circulation."
Serious cases

But the true danger of coronavirus is unlikely to be the death toll. Experts say health systems could easily become overwhelmed by the number of cases requiring hospitalisation – and, often ventilation to support breathing.

An analysis of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, where the epidemic originated, show that the vast majority of deaths were among the elderly (14.8 percent mortality among over 80s).

But another Chinese study showed that 41 percent of serious cases occurred among under 50s, compared with 27 percent among over 65s.

"It's true that if you're older you're at greater risk, but serious cases can also happen in relatively young people with no prior conditions," said French deputy health minister Jerome Salomon.
Contagiousness

Disease experts estimate that each COVID-19 sufferer infects between two to 3 others.

That's a reproduction rate up to twice as high as seasonal flu, which typically infects 1.3 new people for each patient.
Vaccine/treatment

Salomon said that humans have lived with influenza for more than 100 years.

"We've studied it closely," he said. "This new virus resembles the flu in terms of physical symptoms but there are huge differences."

Number one is the lack of a vaccine against COVID-19, or even any treatment shown to be consistently effective.

While some trials have shown promise delivering anti-retroviral drugs to serious cases, as well as some experimental therapies, their sample sizes are too small to roll out to the general population.

Hundreds of researchers around the world are working frantically to find a COVID-19 vaccine, but the development process takes months and is likely too late for the current outbreak.

Even if a vaccine magically appeared, getting everyone access it to it is no small order. Health authorities regularly complain that not enough people receive the flu vaccine to guarantee "herd immunity".
Similarities

But the new virus does share some characteristics with flu, notably the measures each one of us can personally take to slow the infection rate:

Avoid shaking hands, frequently wash your hands with soap and water, avoid touching your face and wear a mask if you are sick.

Such actions can limit new infections just as they can with the flu, gastro illnesses and other infectious diseases.

France's health ministry says that only two in 10 people regularly wash their hands after using the bathroom.

"And only 42 percent of people cover their mouth with an elbow or tissue when they cough or sneeze," it added, not encouragingly.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 16, 2020, 09:42:52 pm
How about this!?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETQcKIuWoAEhtbs?format=jpg&name=small)

Thanks @TomSea   Now if we can just get people to actually listen.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 09:48:29 pm
No, Coronavirus Isn't 'Just Like The Flu'. Here Are The Very Important Differences

Aches and pains, sore throat, fever – although they may feel similar to those suffering from their symptoms, the novel coronavirus is not the same as the seasonal flu, experts stressed Wednesday.

COVID-19, the illness caused by coronavirus, proves deadly in around 3.5 percent of confirmed cases.

While this is not the same as its mortality rate, given many people may be infected but not realise it, it is significantly higher than seasonal flu, which typically kills 0.1 percent of patients.

"There is still considerable uncertainty around the fatality rates of COVID-19 and it likely varies depending on the quality of local healthcare," said Francois Balloux, Professor of Computational Systems Biology at University College London.

"That said, it is around two percent on average, which is about 20 times higher than for the seasonal flu lineages currently in circulation."
Serious cases

But the true danger of coronavirus is unlikely to be the death toll. Experts say health systems could easily become overwhelmed by the number of cases requiring hospitalisation – and, often ventilation to support breathing.

An analysis of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, where the epidemic originated, show that the vast majority of deaths were among the elderly (14.8 percent mortality among over 80s).

But another Chinese study showed that 41 percent of serious cases occurred among under 50s, compared with 27 percent among over 65s.

"It's true that if you're older you're at greater risk, but serious cases can also happen in relatively young people with no prior conditions," said French deputy health minister Jerome Salomon.
Contagiousness

Disease experts estimate that each COVID-19 sufferer infects between two to 3 others.

That's a reproduction rate up to twice as high as seasonal flu, which typically infects 1.3 new people for each patient.
Vaccine/treatment

Salomon said that humans have lived with influenza for more than 100 years.

"We've studied it closely," he said. "This new virus resembles the flu in terms of physical symptoms but there are huge differences."

Number one is the lack of a vaccine against COVID-19, or even any treatment shown to be consistently effective.

While some trials have shown promise delivering anti-retroviral drugs to serious cases, as well as some experimental therapies, their sample sizes are too small to roll out to the general population.

Hundreds of researchers around the world are working frantically to find a COVID-19 vaccine, but the development process takes months and is likely too late for the current outbreak.

Even if a vaccine magically appeared, getting everyone access it to it is no small order. Health authorities regularly complain that not enough people receive the flu vaccine to guarantee "herd immunity".
Similarities

But the new virus does share some characteristics with flu, notably the measures each one of us can personally take to slow the infection rate:

Avoid shaking hands, frequently wash your hands with soap and water, avoid touching your face and wear a mask if you are sick.

Such actions can limit new infections just as they can with the flu, gastro illnesses and other infectious diseases.

France's health ministry says that only two in 10 people regularly wash their hands after using the bathroom.

"And only 42 percent of people cover their mouth with an elbow or tissue when they cough or sneeze," it added, not encouragingly.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common (https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-coronavirus-isn-t-like-the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common)

We have no idea what the mortality rate is here until we know how many are infected, which we do not.

I trust no data coming out of China.

So I'm not sold on this being different from a bad flu epidemic.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: 240B on March 16, 2020, 09:55:57 pm
Beginning next month.
New month..New beginning.
I just want to forget all this shit.
Come on man, give it a break for Christ sake!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 10:01:29 pm
The 2017 flu season killed a helluva lot of Americans.... yet there was no store, restaurant, sporting events, etc. shut downs, no panic, no mass hysteria toilet paper hoarding.  So what's the difference now?

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In last year’s flu season, 80,000 people died, including 180 children, and 900,000 people were hospitalized, making it the worst flu season in 40 years – underscoring the importance of seasonal flu coverage for every public health reporter.

https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2018/09/last-years-flu-season-death-toll-and-2018-19-flu-coverage/



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 10:03:22 pm
The 2017 flu season killed a helluva lot of Americans.... yet there was no store, restaurant, sporting events, etc. shut downs, no panic, no mass hysteria toilet paper hoarding.  So what's the difference now?

https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2018/09/last-years-flu-season-death-toll-and-2018-19-flu-coverage/

Its all in the presentation.

I'm getting more cynical by the minute. Watching a developing train wreck and being unable to do anything about it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 10:11:19 pm
Its all in the presentation.

I'm getting more cynical by the minute. Watching a developing train wreck and being unable to do anything about it.

I got it covered. I just need to drop a line to my liquor store to order a fresh keg of beer and I'm all set.  It's Netflix and Chill time for us.  I've run out of bleeps to give now. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 10:12:34 pm
Its all in the presentation.

I'm getting more cynical by the minute. Watching a developing train wreck and being unable to do anything about it.

Ah... yes, but....

we're not just watching the train wreck.   We're ON the train.  And the bridge is definitely OUT.



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 16, 2020, 10:12:41 pm
We have no idea what the mortality rate is here until we know how many are infected, which we do not.

I trust no data coming out of China.

So I'm not sold on this being different from a bad flu epidemic.

And I think that's the crux of the panic - people saw all the anecdotal info coming out of China via social media, and it wasn't good.

Everyone knows China is lying thru their teeth. Nobody believes that so few died over there, especially now looking at places like Iran and Italy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2020, 10:13:49 pm
How about this!?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETQcKIuWoAEhtbs?format=jpg)


Simple enough.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 10:15:22 pm
I got it covered. I just need to drop a line to my liquor store to order a fresh keg of beer and I'm all set.  It's Netflix and Chill time for us.  I've run out of bleeps to give now.

We're kinda hanging out there right now, being in a new town and starting up a new business, and this 'shelter in place' order has some potential to cause us some serious trouble.

Plus I know quite a few people who live hand to mouth and now will not be able to work for three weeks.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 10:15:29 pm
I got it covered. I just need to drop a line to my liquor store to order a fresh keg of beer and I'm all set.  It's Netflix and Chill time for us.  I've run out of bleeps to give now.

Talked to a local liquor store owner today and he mentioned the possibility that the store might be "shut down" here in Texas, as well.   He owns several stores around the country.  So I'm making a trip tomorrow by there to get a bottle or two.   What the hell. 

He also said they had to close the BR there due to not being able to get TP or cleaning supplies.  I guess the employees there just bring their own TP?   Getting weirder.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 10:20:31 pm
And I think that's the crux of the panic - people saw all the anecdotal info coming out of China via social media, and it wasn't good.

Everyone knows China is lying thru their teeth. Nobody believes that so few died over there, especially now looking at places like Iran and Italy.

According to the WHO 290,000 to 650,000 people worldwide die from the flu. Thats about 25k & 55k per month.

Perspective.



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 16, 2020, 10:31:45 pm
  • If I feel sick, stay at home.  Check.
  • If my children are sick, keep them at home.  Check.
  • If someone in my home has tested positive for coronavirus, keep everyone at home.  Check.
  • If I am an older person, stay at home.  Check.
  • If I am a person with a serious underlying health condition, stay at home.  Check.

Simple enough.

This lockdown is actually working against us getting control of the virus.  The way to stop this virus is to develop a herd immunity.  Our most vulnerable --- our seniors and all with underlying medical conditions -- should continue to self-quarantine until the herd immunity takes hold..

But businesses and schools should reopen ... and if you and your family are well,  get back to work and get back to school.  Employers/schools can provide hand sanitizers, medical grade gloves, cans of Lysol.  Monitor your health ... but resume life.

Oh, and turn off ALL news shows.

Quote
Early US Coronavirus Patients Have Fully Recovered: Health Officials
Epoch Times, Mar 16, 2020

Patients across the United States who earlier tested positive for the new coronavirus have fully recovered.

Maryland’s first three patients have fully recovered after becoming infected while on a cruise on the Nile River. “I’m happy to report that the first three cases reported last Thursday have all been cleared to return back to their normal daily schedules,” Montgomery County Health Officer Dr. Travis Gayles said in a video update.

The trio included a couple in their 70s and another unrelated person in their 50s.

Health officials across the country have reported patients fully recovering. About four out of five patients don’t require hospitalization, according to data gleaned from cases around the world that’s been widely cited by U.S. health officials.

A Washington state resident who was the first person in the state to test positive for COVID-19, the disease the virus causes, “fully recovered” in late February, health officials said.

That man became infected after traveling to Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the new illness, in January. He was isolated at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett on Jan. 21 and released into home isolation on Feb. 3. “He is now considered fully recovered and free to go about his regular activities. We cannot thank him enough for his patience and cooperation throughout the entire process,” the Snohomish Health District said in a statement.

The Tulsa Health Department in Oklahoma said last week that the state’s first confirmed patient recovered from COVID-19. The patient tested negative twice, “which is the indicator of recovery,” the department said in a statement.

Officials in California, Nebraska, Illinois, and Arizona have also reported patients recovering from COVID-19. Experts recommend staying home if sick and contacting your doctor or health authorities.

More:  https://www.theepochtimes.com/early-us-coronavirus-patients-have-fully-recovered-health-officials_3273937.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/early-us-coronavirus-patients-have-fully-recovered-health-officials_3273937.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 10:32:24 pm
Talked to a local liquor store owner today and he mentioned the possibility that the store might be "shut down" here in Texas, as well.   He owns several stores around the country.  So I'm making a trip tomorrow by there to get a bottle or two.   What the hell. 

He also said they had to close the BR there due to not being able to get TP or cleaning supplies.  I guess the employees there just bring their own TP?   Getting weirder.

Just need beer, the spare is empty and I just tapped a new one a couple days ago.  I'll be set for 6-8 weeks.  The whole rest of the bar is well-stocked, maybe I'll have to try some of that weird shit Mrs. Liberty bought? 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 16, 2020, 10:37:02 pm
According to the WHO 290,000 to 650,000 people worldwide die from the flu. Thats about 25k & 55k per month.

Perspective.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 16, 2020, 10:37:39 pm
According to the WHO 290,000 to 650,000 people worldwide die from the flu. Thats about 25k & 55k per month.

Perspective.

People who are very old are going to die of something in the not too distant future. Flu is a common illness that pushes them over the edge. So a lot of elderly people that were on the edge prior to getting the flu get reported as dying from the flu. The vast majority of people who get the flu don't go to a doctor or hospital so there's no record of those people regarding flu statisics.

This is affecting younger healthier people not already on the edge.

Italy's hospitals were dealing with people who got the flu before this all came along. They had enough beds and resources. That has changed dramatically as this new illness has taken root there.

The difference is plain to see if you are willing to look.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 10:42:28 pm
People who are very old are going to die of something in the not too distant future. Flu is a common illness that pushes them over the edge. So a lot of elderly people that were on the edge prior to getting the flu get reported as dying from the flu. The vast majority of people who get the flu don't go to a doctor or hospital so there's no record of those people regarding flu statisics.

This is affecting younger healthier people not already on the edge.

Italy's hospitals were dealing with people who got the flu before this all came along. They had enough beds and resources. That has changed dramatically as this new illness has taken root there.

The difference is plain to see if you are willing to look.

It would be nice if those who wish to see this as a apocalyptic event could do so without dragging the rest of us who do not into the it-shay with them.

Travel bans from infected regions, fine. Advise from the CDC, great. This and just a little personal common sense is all that is needed and the world will continue to turn as before.

What is happening now is compounding the problem exponentially.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 10:45:06 pm
Just need beer, the spare is empty and I just tapped a new one a couple days ago.  I'll be set for 6-8 weeks.  The whole rest of the bar is well-stocked, maybe I'll have to try some of that weird shit Mrs. Liberty bought?

Would it be politically incorrect for me to purchase a six pack of my favorite beer...(yeah, the beach one with the slice of lime)....lololol.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 16, 2020, 10:47:51 pm
It would be nice if those who wish to see this as a apocalyptic event could do so without dragging the rest of us who do not into the it-shay with them.

Travel bans from infected regions, fine. Advise from the CDC, great. This and just a little personal common sense is all that is needed and the world will continue to turn as before.

I don't think it is apocalyptic. Common sense went out the door a long time ago. My only beef with you is claiming this is no different than the flu that was already going around. It is different and a threat to people that the common flu posed little threat to.

I'm not justifying shutting down everything, especially with the heavy hand of government. There is middle ground.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 10:53:04 pm
Would it be politically incorrect for me to purchase a six pack of my favorite beer...(yeah, the beach one with the slice of lime)....lololol.

The kind @mountaineer bought for her Avatar?

I keep a six of Blue Moon as backup to the Shock Top I get by the keg.  I have not had to touch the long-necks ever since I got the larger Kegerator that can hold two kegs, other than the one or two I stashed in the upstairs refrigerator for whenever I want a beer and don't care to make the hike down to the main bar in the Living Room (an admitted "first-world problem").  I always have a spare in reserve, 'cause ya never know, and it can take a week to get a keg in this small town.  A man's gotta keep his priorities straight.

ETA:  I could always spring for a third keg, I have that extra Kegerator in the guest bedroom closet.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 10:53:48 pm
I don't think it is apocalyptic. Common sense went out the door a long time ago. My only beef with you is claiming this is no different than the flu that was already going around. It is different and a threat to people that the common flu posed little threat to.

I'm not justifying shutting down everything, especially with the heavy hand of government. There is middle ground.

I just haven't seen anything, besides the over the top reaction, that would indicate to me this is anything other than virulent new flu. But that doesn't even matter - it sounds like you and I agree about what would be the proper response.

Its frustrating because I believe there are some bad actors in government and media who plan on using the public mood they've whipped up to get some policies etc passed they would ordinarily have no chance of getting passed.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 10:55:16 pm
The kind @mountaineer bought for her Avatar?

I keep a six of Blue Moon as backup to the Shock Top I get by the keg.  I have not had to touch the long-necks ever since I got the larger Kegerator that can hold two kegs, other than the one or two I stashed in the upstairs refrigerator for whenever I want a beer and don't care to make the hike down to the main bar in the Living Room (an admitted "first-world problem").  I always have a spare in reserve, 'cause ya never know, and it can take a week to get a keg in this small town.  A man's gotta keep his priorities straight.

ETA:  I could always spring for a third keg, I have that extra Kegerator in the guest bedroom closet.

Well, I can... in a pinch.... substitute Dos Equis.   But I'm not really a beer drinker.   Two at one time is my limit and I usually only drink it in the summer...when I'm outside....always ice cold.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 10:55:49 pm
I just haven't seen anything, besides the over the top reaction, that would indicate to me this is anything other than virulent new flu. But that doesn't even matter - it sounds like you and I agree about what would be the proper response.

Its frustrating because I believe there are some bad actors in government and media who plan on using the public mood they've whipped up to get some policies etc passed they would ordinarily have no chance of getting passed.

That Democrats would keep this good crisis from going to waste is a given, talking about "bad actors."  Well, they aren't going to panic me into forgetting about my stocks of brew.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 10:58:06 pm
I just haven't seen anything, besides the over the top reaction, that would indicate to me this is anything other than virulent new flu. But that doesn't even matter - it sounds like you and I agree about what would be the proper response.

Its frustrating because I believe there are some bad actors in government and media who plan on using the public mood they've whipped up to get some policies etc passed they would ordinarily have no chance of getting passed.

Oh you just know those bad actors (deep state fascists/elitists) are wet-dreaming, as we speak, about the coming recession/depression (like they've been trying to talk us into for the past several years).... and in their wildest fantasies, perhaps the need for declaring martial law.   We know how their little minds work by now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 16, 2020, 10:58:34 pm
That Democrats would keep this good crisis from going to waste is a given, talking about "bad actors."  Well, they aren't going to panic me into forgetting about my stocks of brew.

Thanks for the reminder. I'm off to BevMo for a case of Whistlepig. I need something to sanitize my thermometer.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 16, 2020, 11:02:00 pm
That Democrats would keep this good crisis from going to waste is a given, talking about "bad actors."  Well, they aren't going to panic me into forgetting about my stocks of brew.

Unfortunately this has opened the flood gates for massive D.C. spending by both parties. They love to spend money. Lots of money. The more, the more power they feel while the rest of us get further enslaved and devalued.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 16, 2020, 11:03:31 pm
According to the WHO 290,000 to 650,000 people worldwide die from the flu. Thats about 25k & 55k per month.

Perspective.

We're basically about 2 months into this being an issue, and it wouldn't suprise me if 100K or more are dead in China already.

And the median age in China is about 10 years younger than a good chunk of Europe.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 11:03:59 pm
Thanks for the reminder. I'm off to BevMo for a case of Whistlepig. I need something to sanitize my thermometer.

I like BevMo.  We dropped about $2K there when we stocked the Castle Bar.  They even had my Absinthe, French for about $65 for a Fifth.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 16, 2020, 11:04:21 pm
I hope all this forces a major realignment between the world and China. China is the root cause of all this. There needs to be some serious consequences along with decoupling of our industry.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 11:08:10 pm
I hope all this forces a major realignment between the world and China. China is the root cause of all this. There needs to be some serious consequences along with decoupling of our industry.

There won't be.   Look what merely imposing tariffs, to make the trade more equal, has resulted in.   Anything harsher would probably result in all out war.   Something everyone in DC wants to avoid, at all costs.   Nah....the ChiComs are like the DemocRats in that respect.   Teflon coated and consequence-proof.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 16, 2020, 11:11:25 pm
There won't be.   Look what merely imposing tariffs, to make the trade more equal, has resulted in.   Anything harsher would probably result in all out war.   Something everyone in DC wants to avoid, at all costs.   Nah....the ChiComs are like the DemocRats in that respect.   Teflon coated and consequence-proof.

We'll see. There are tons of businesses that are likely rethinking their Chinese investments right now and actively looking for alternatives.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 11:11:48 pm
A very stoic looking president of Ukraine, Zelensky, addressing the nation:

Quote
We may introduce state of emergency, If it necessary: Main thing from Zelensky’s speech on ICTV

Source : 112 Ukraine
Zelensky said that situation with coronavirus in country was ‘good’ and revealed number of details of upcoming quarantine
23:54, 16 March 2020

(https://img.112.international/original/2020/03/16/289070.jpg)

...

The main thing from Zelensky’s speech

- The situation is “good” in comparison with other countries in terms of statistics.

- Not enough quick tests for coronavirus. But they solved the problem.

- On Saturday, Ukraine expects the arrival of a million quick tests. The Chinese businessman Jack Ma and the Ukrainian businessman Oleksandr Yaroslavsky helped.

Read more at: https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/we-introduce-state-of-emergency-if-it-necessary-main-thing-from-zelenskys-speech-on-ictv-49581.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel

Macron will address the nation...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 16, 2020, 11:29:13 pm
We'll see. There are tons of businesses that are likely rethinking their Chinese investments right now and actively looking for alternatives.

Oh, gee.   That would be nice.   Some common sense for a refreshing change. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 16, 2020, 11:38:26 pm
Amazon to hire 100,000 warehouse and delivery.... give raises

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/amazon-to-hire-100000-warehouse-and-delivery-workers.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/amazon-to-hire-100000-warehouse-and-delivery-workers.html)

Astonishing in this climate.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 16, 2020, 11:52:48 pm
Amazon to hire 100,000 warehouse and delivery.... give raises

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/amazon-to-hire-100000-warehouse-and-delivery-workers.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/amazon-to-hire-100000-warehouse-and-delivery-workers.html)

Astonishing in this climate.

I'm pleased, and not surprised.  Amazon is in the business of home delivery, with their own network in the larger cities that can deliver groceries same day.  This is a golden opportunity for Amazon, and Walmart, too.  They do same-day delivery in the large cities, and curb-side pickup in the small markets.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 12:01:05 am
This lockdown is actually working against us getting control of the virus.  The way to stop this virus is to develop a herd immunity.  Our most vulnerable --- our seniors and all with underlying medical conditions -- should continue to self-quarantine until the herd immunity takes hold..

But businesses and schools should reopen ... and if you and your family are well,  get back to work and get back to school.  Employers/schools can provide hand sanitizers, medical grade gloves, cans of Lysol.  Monitor your health ... but resume life.

Oh, and turn off ALL news shows.

100% in agreement.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2020, 12:05:15 am
@Once-Ler

Airline pilots are being laid off - too many planes are sitting idle at various Airline's headquarters. The Airlines can't make a profit now. Thousands of airline families will have no money coming in.
That's a perishable skill.

Pilots need to maintain 'currency' or they have to regain it in order to fly.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2020, 12:07:52 am
Ireland and UK added to the Europe ban:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-live-updates-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-school-shutdown-sport-events-cancelled-latest-update-news)

And this is interesting, though it's from Modern Ghana and this seems like an offbeat website... still, we know China steals intellectual property....
The author probably got this info in turn somewhere, wow.
I wonder if it was on Hillary's server? (Along with scads of other information that was not supposed to ever be on a computer linked to the internet).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 12:40:23 am
This lockdown is actually working against us getting control of the virus.  The way to stop this virus is to develop a herd immunity.  Our most vulnerable --- our seniors and all with underlying medical conditions -- should continue to self-quarantine until the herd immunity takes hold..

But businesses and schools should reopen ... and if you and your family are well,  get back to work and get back to school.  Employers/schools can provide hand sanitizers, medical grade gloves, cans of Lysol.  Monitor your health ... but resume life.

Oh, and turn off ALL news shows.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETQcKIuWoAEhtbs?format=jpg&name=small)

Sigh
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 01:03:04 am
I got it covered. I just need to drop a line to my liquor store to order a fresh keg of beer [...]

Might oughta get a keg of Corona... Bet there's a discount price...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 01:07:45 am
Talked to a local liquor store owner today and he mentioned the possibility that the store might be "shut down" here in Texas, as well.   He owns several stores around the country.  So I'm making a trip tomorrow by there to get a bottle or two.   What the hell. 

He also said they had to close the BR there due to not being able to get TP or cleaning supplies.  I guess the employees there just bring their own TP?   Getting weirder.

I just happen to be sitting on 6 quarts of shine... Bartered payment for a couple computers... For medicinal purposes only, of course.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 01:17:35 am
Might oughta get a keg of Corona... Bet there's a discount price...

Exceptin' I don't care for Corona.

ETA:  Talked to my guy at the liquor store, they don't make Corona in kegs anymore, just the Corona Premium.  I did not know there is a "premium" version.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 17, 2020, 01:38:24 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETQcKIuWoAEhtbs?format=jpg&name=small)

Sigh

No need for the snark @TomSea  If you had followed my post you'd have know I was referring to this very publication.

I sure hope you don't delete this post because your feelings are hurt. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 01:46:35 am
This lockdown is actually working against us getting control of the virus.  The way to stop this virus is to develop a herd immunity.  Our most vulnerable --- our seniors and all with underlying medical conditions -- should continue to self-quarantine until the herd immunity takes hold..

But businesses and schools should reopen ... and if you and your family are well,  get back to work and get back to school.  Employers/schools can provide hand sanitizers, medical grade gloves, cans of Lysol.  Monitor your health ... but resume life.

Oh, and turn off ALL news shows.

 pointing-up :yowsa:
Well lookey here @Right_in_Virginia ... Hell must have frozen over.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 17, 2020, 01:49:10 am
I just happen to be sitting on 6 quarts of shine... Bartered payment for a couple computers... For medicinal purposes only, of course.

Always good to have a quart or two on hand just in case ...  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 01:49:49 am
Exceptin' I don't care for Corona.

ETA:  Talked to my guy at the liquor store, they don't make Corona in kegs anymore, just the Corona Premium.  I did not know there is a "premium" version.

I dunno... If it's Mexican, for me it's Tecate.  :shrug:

But what do I know... I'm a PBR guy, with shades of Hamms and Keystone... Rainier if I can get it.
Ppl say I have an underdeveloped beer palate.
I say I'm just a cheap date  happy77
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 17, 2020, 01:58:43 am
The sickest I ever got was back in 2000 when that Spanish flu variant was making the rounds.  It took me about 6 days to recover - just enough time to get past cigarette withdrawal.  Haven't smoked a cigarette since.

That was around the time that both me and my wife were down with the flu. I didn't go out of the house for a week only to discover that there had been a hard freeze that busted the engine blocks in both my truck and my jeep. I was very lucky to be able to weld both of the cracks up. I still have that same engine in my jeep. I sold the truck some years back, but the engine was still going strong.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 01:59:22 am
But what do I know... I'm a PBR guy, with shades of Hamms and Keystone...

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=036cVpnt1VU#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 02:04:47 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=036cVpnt1VU# (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=036cVpnt1VU#)

w00t! w00t!
 :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 17, 2020, 02:06:59 am

This lockdown is actually working against us getting control of the virus.  The way to stop this virus is to develop a herd immunity.  Our most vulnerable --- our seniors and all with underlying medical conditions -- should continue to self-quarantine until the herd immunity takes hold..

But businesses and schools should reopen ... and if you and your family are well,  get back to work and get back to school.  Employers/schools can provide hand sanitizers, medical grade gloves, cans of Lysol.  Monitor your health ... but resume life.

Oh, and turn off ALL news shows.

Well, that makes sense too.  The Chinese spread seemed to only stop though when they locked down millions of people ....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 17, 2020, 03:01:56 am
Coronavirus: Why does Germany have so few COVID-19 deaths?

Euronews by Anna Priese 3/16/2020

https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-why-does-germany-have-so-few-covid-19-deaths (https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-why-does-germany-have-so-few-covid-19-deaths)

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On Friday, the number of people in Germany infected with COVID-19 grew to 3,059. Six of them have died so far. That is roughly two people for every thousand cases.

These numbers stand out when compared to other heavily affected countries like China, Italy, Iran, South Korea, Spain or France.

In China, it's roughly 39 deaths per 1,000 people infected, in Italy it's 71, in Iran 45 and in Spain it's 28.

On Friday, the number of people in Germany infected with COVID-19 grew to 3,059. Six of them have died so far. That is roughly two people for every thousand cases.

These numbers stand out when compared to other heavily affected countries like China, Italy, Iran, South Korea, Spain or France.

In China, it's roughly 39 deaths per 1,000 people infected, in Italy it's 71, in Iran 45 and in Spain it's 28.   

How come fewer people are dying from COVID-19 in Germany than elsewhere?

At a press conference last Wednesday, Prof. Dr. Lothar H. Wieler, President of the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin said, "From the beginning, we have very systematically called upon our doctors to test people."

He added that the German system can provide "testing to a high degree so that we can easily look into the beginnings of the epidemic."

Wieler also explained that this is just the beginning for Germany. "If you imagine an epidemic like a curve [...] then there are countries that are simply further" into the progression of this epidemic.

He expects the case numbers and the numbers of deaths to rise, just like they have in other affected countries.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 17, 2020, 03:21:26 am
Diamond Princess Mysteries

We had a perfect petri-dish coronavirus disease (COVID-19) experiment with the cruise ship “Diamond Princess”. That’s the cruise ship that ended up in quarantine for a number of weeks after a number of people tested positive for the coronavirus. I got to wondering what the outcome of the experiment was.

So I dug around and found an analysis of the situation, with the catchy title of Estimating the infection and case fatality ratio for COVID-19 using age-adjusted data from the outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship (PDF), so I could see what the outcomes were.

As you might imagine, before they knew it was a problem, the epidemic raged on the ship, with infected crew members cooking and cleaning for the guests, people all eating together, close living quarters, lots of social interaction, and a generally older population. Seems like a perfect situation for an overwhelming majority of the passengers to become infected.

And despite that, some 83% (82.7% – 83.9%) of the passengers never got the disease at all … why?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/16/diamond-princess-mysteries/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 03:22:28 am
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How come fewer people are dying from COVID-19 in Germany than elsewhere?

At a press conference last Wednesday, Prof. Dr. Lothar H. Wieler, President of the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin said, "From the beginning, we have very systematically called upon our doctors to test people."

The disparity between Germany and Italy, for example could be the result of more extensive testing in Germany.  There could be those in Italy who have the virus, but never get tested, yet all those who die get tested.  But in Germany, with more people getting tested,  they are able to identify those who will never come down with severe symptoms as positive cases, thus increasing the denominator, while in Italy, such people are never included.

Let's say that Germany tests 100,000 people.  3,000 test positive.  Six die.  In Italy, they test only 1,000 people.  Eighty test positive.  Six die.  But another 80 who also had the disease never got tested because their symptoms were mild.

Just something to consider.  The number of people being tested is not uniform across the globe.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 03:44:44 am
The disparity between Germany and Italy, for example could be the result of more extensive testing in Germany.  There could be those in Italy who have the virus, but never get tested, yet all those who die get tested.  But in Germany, with more people getting tested,  they are able to identify those who will never come down with severe symptoms as positive cases, thus increasing the denominator, while in Italy, such people are never included.

Let's say that Germany tests 100,000 people.  3,000 test positive.  Six die.  In Italy, they test only 1,000 people.  Eighty test positive.  Six die.  But another 80 who also had the disease never got tested because their symptoms were mild.

Just something to consider.  The number of people being tested is not uniform across the globe.

Apparently Italy has a large number of Chinese that travel to and from of China regularly related to the fashion industry. They received a large dose of the COVID-19 virus all at once. And then they went on vacation when the government shut things down instead of isolating themselves. And it spread quickly.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2020, 03:44:47 am
There is a direct correlation between the public reaction and the number of minutes spent watching CNN.
Right! :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2020, 03:48:34 am
Yeah, you got any proof of this or other remarks? Are you can expert on this? Posting the video of some doctor who has used cocaine?

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/not-perfect-dr-drew-opens-cocaine-alcohol-article-1.2248472 (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/not-perfect-dr-drew-opens-cocaine-alcohol-article-1.2248472)
Sure. I haven't watched one second of CNN, and I'm calm.

There's one endpoint for you. How much CNN have you watched since the outbreak started?
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 17, 2020, 03:53:58 am
"letting" implies a choice. When there is more demand than resources available some people go without. That is a simple fact of life. Thank your lucky stars it isn't you faced with that dilemma.

As far as rage goes, that should be directed at China - later, the source of all this. Even if it didn't come out of a Chinese lab (I think it likely did) their lies and inaction following the beginning of outbreak greatly increased the damage to the rest of the world.

Were you replying to a different thread?  Reading this I was thinking you might be talking about letting people die?

I also believe that this came out of the Chinese Lab.  But Iran would never blame their Allies in China. 
Title: Re: ISIS advises terrorists on coronavirus to avoid Europe for jihad
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 17, 2020, 03:55:55 am
Hope it wipes out every one of them.
Title: Re: China Threatens to Cut off Supply of Life Saving Drugs to Plunge America into a Massive Crisis
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 17, 2020, 03:58:14 am
We should be making our own drugs here.  Wake up call.

Have they released biological warfare?  Now they are using the drug market to wage more war?  Have to wonder if all those negotiations have driven this.

Tom Cotton believes it originated in the lab.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/creator-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-biological-warfare-weapon (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/creator-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-biological-warfare-weapon)
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 04:06:03 am
Were you replying to a different thread?  Reading this I was thinking you might be talking about letting people die?

I also believe that this came out of the Chinese Lab.  But Iran would never blame their Allies in China.

I was referring to your "In Italy they are letting the elderly die" comment. They are overwhelmed. People are dying while they are doing all they can do with the resources available to them was my point. It is a terrible position to be in and shouldn't be written off so lightly as simply a choice.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 04:14:23 am
Just to add another perspective, I think a lot of this breaks down differently between urban, suburban and rural areas. Rural areas are inherently less likely to spread the virus and have less to fear from it. As the population density goes up the likelihood spreading it goes up quickly. The actions needed to slow the spread are very different between these areas. It isn't a one size fits all situation. And trying to apply a one size fits all solution isn't going to go well.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on March 17, 2020, 04:16:31 am
I read on this site, earlier today, that Italians were "dramatic."

I already know that, since I've been married to one for 52 years.

Dramatic ain't a bad thing. BTW my wife's aunt from Italy became chief of anesthesiology at two hospitals in California, after finishing her medical education at USC (her father was a doctor in Italy)

I'l take dramatic, beautiful Italian women any time.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2020, 04:16:49 am
Just to add another perspective, I think a lot of this breaks down differently between urban, suburban and rural areas. Rural areas are inherently less likely to spread the virus and have less to fear from it. As the population density goes up the likelihood spreading it goes up quickly. The actions needed slow the spread are very different between these areas. It isn't a one size fits all situation. And trying to apply a one size fits all solution isn't going to go well.
Right. We have 16 people per square mile in my county--no confirmed cases. I guess social distancing would just come naturally if all those kids (currently on spring break) weren't gathered up and redistributed five days a week.  :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 04:17:13 am
Sure. I haven't watched one second of CNN, and I'm calm.

There's one endpoint for you. How much CNN have you watched since the outbreak started?

All my news has come from here and on the Web. I don't watch any of the TV news. I rarely go to CNN's Web site but will if they have an exclusive of something important that someone else has linked.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 17, 2020, 04:17:46 am
I was referring to your "In Italy they are letting the elderly die" comment. They are overwhelmed. People are dying while they are doing all they can do with the resources available to them was my point. It is a terrible position to be in and shouldn't be written off so lightly as simply a choice.

Got it.  Yes makes sense.  Long day, sorry.  Letting does seem like the wrong word.  I get it that they are overwhelmed and perhaps you are right they don't have a choice.  Just seems so cold. 
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 04:22:36 am
Got it.  Yes makes sense.  Long day, sorry.  Letting does seem like the wrong word.  I get it that they are overwhelmed and perhaps you are right they don't have a choice.  Just seems so cold.

It's brutal and thank god we aren't stuck making those choices and having to live with them. I really feel for them.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2020, 04:53:49 am
All my news has come from here and on the Web. I don't watch any of the TV news. I rarely go to CNN's Web site but will if they have an exclusive of something important that someone else has linked.
I grew weary of commentary crafted with words which implied bias and were inflammatory and/or derogatory delivered in repetitive and impassioned rants long ago. So, frankly, I do not partake ordinarily of television 'news' unless it is something local I can readily put into perspective, and often that, too, is FUBAR, especially identifiable if I have first hand knowledge of the topic or event they are covering. Sad, but true.

I have found that not watching those shows does wonders for my spirit, in that I am far more relaxed.

I don't turn my back on the evils around me, I am aware, I'm just more rational in my evaluation of them without being bludgeoned with panicked rhetoric.
Title: Re: China Threatens to Cut off Supply of Life Saving Drugs to Plunge America into a Massive Crisis
Post by: truth_seeker on March 17, 2020, 05:06:52 am


Tom Cotton believes it originated in the lab.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/creator-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-biological-warfare-weapon (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/creator-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-biological-warfare-weapon)

In the cited article Dr. Cotton actually said "we don’t know where it originated,”

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 17, 2020, 11:41:12 am
Coronavirus: Why does Germany have so few COVID-19 deaths?

Euronews by Anna Priese 3/16/2020

https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-why-does-germany-have-so-few-covid-19-deaths (https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-why-does-germany-have-so-few-covid-19-deaths)

From 6 to 20 overnight?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 17, 2020, 11:41:51 am
I read on this site, earlier today, that Italians were "dramatic."

I already know that, since I've been married to one for 52 years.

Dramatic ain't a bad thing. BTW my wife's aunt from Italy became chief of anesthesiology at two hospitals in California, after finishing her medical education at USC (her father was a doctor in Italy)

I'l take dramatic, beautiful Italian women any time.

Uhh.... you realize..... that Nancy Pelosi is Italian.   Right?   333cleo
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on March 17, 2020, 12:09:56 pm
Uhh.... you realize..... that Nancy Pelosi is Italian.   Right?   333cleo

Yeah, but when Nancy was young, she was very attractive. Not bad in her mature years, either—speaking strictly appearances here, of course.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 17, 2020, 12:16:54 pm
Yeah, but when Nancy was young, she was very attractive. Not bad in her mature years, either—speaking strictly appearances here, of course.

Lol... attractive?  Still the same whackado inside.  I guess it's worth it to 'some' men.    :shrug:
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: thackney on March 17, 2020, 12:29:04 pm
Got it.  Yes makes sense.  Long day, sorry.  Letting does seem like the wrong word.  I get it that they are overwhelmed and perhaps you are right they don't have a choice.  Just seems so cold.

If 120 people need a respirator and you have 100, what do you do?  First come, first serve or serve those most likely to survive with the respirator?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 17, 2020, 01:15:13 pm
Diamond Princess Mysteries

We had a perfect petri-dish coronavirus disease (COVID-19) experiment with the cruise ship “Diamond Princess”. That’s the cruise ship that ended up in quarantine for a number of weeks after a number of people tested positive for the coronavirus. I got to wondering what the outcome of the experiment was.

So I dug around and found an analysis of the situation, with the catchy title of Estimating the infection and case fatality ratio for COVID-19 using age-adjusted data from the outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship (PDF), so I could see what the outcomes were.

As you might imagine, before they knew it was a problem, the epidemic raged on the ship, with infected crew members cooking and cleaning for the guests, people all eating together, close living quarters, lots of social interaction, and a generally older population. Seems like a perfect situation for an overwhelming majority of the passengers to become infected.

And despite that, some 83% (82.7% – 83.9%) of the passengers never got the disease at all … why?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/16/diamond-princess-mysteries/


Interesting read.
Title: Re: China Threatens to Cut off Supply of Life Saving Drugs to Plunge America into a Massive Crisis
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on March 17, 2020, 01:33:34 pm
In the cited article Dr. Cotton actually said "we don’t know where it originated,”

Yep.  You responded to another disinformation comment from a TDS-infected individual.
Title: Re: China Threatens to Cut off Supply of Life Saving Drugs to Plunge America into a Massive Crisis
Post by: Bigun on March 17, 2020, 01:36:50 pm
Joe Biden and the Democrat Party’s Incestuous Relationship with China (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/joe_biden_and_the_democrat_partys_incestuous_relationship_with_china.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 17, 2020, 02:01:11 pm
Just to add another perspective, I think a lot of this breaks down differently between urban, suburban and rural areas. Rural areas are inherently less likely to spread the virus and have less to fear from it. As the population density goes up the likelihood spreading it goes up quickly. The actions needed to slow the spread are very different between these areas. It isn't a one size fits all situation. And trying to apply a one size fits all solution isn't going to go well.
That's why I, living in a rural area, am not scared of this virus directly affecting me.

In the cities, people are inherently in close quarters, precisely the kind of conditions where this virus thrives. There is naturally more space between people in rural areas. You can isolate yourself and still have plenty of space to move around freely, which is also good for psychological health. That's why you see the outbreaks in cities and suburbs: community spread is far easier to pull off.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 02:07:27 pm
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Why Italy was hit so hard and so fast by COVID-19
Lessons learned from Italy's pandemic as death toll reaches 1,800
Terence McKenna · CBC News · Posted: Mar 16, 2020

...

So why was Italy hit so hard?


There is a debate about why Italy was the first major Western country to be hit, especially since it was among the first to ban flights from China. Some people point to the average age of the population, the oldest in Europe. Some point to the bad air pollution in the northern industrial areas that has caused widespread lung disease.

"In the northern region we have the most polluted air in ... Europe, and this is linked with viral infection, pneumonia infections," Casani said.

As to why COVID-19 spread so quickly once it arrived, he said, "We do not have emergency plans for pandemics. We have it for natural disasters. And, also we were the first, so we were totally unprepared."

Mounk sees this differently. "I think the question of 'Why Italy?' is the most important question and it has a simple answer: No reason at all. The only thing that makes Italy different is that the first couple of [community-transmitted] cases arrived in Italy about 10 days before they arrived in Germany, the United States or Canada. So if other countries aren't going to react in an extreme way right now, they're going to become Italy."

Read more at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/coronavirus-italy-1.5498650 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/coronavirus-italy-1.5498650)


So, maybe in part, it's because Italy was a bit first in line, all things are not equal.

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Israel: Number of Covid-19 Infected Persons Soars to 304
Published March 17th, 2020 - 09:33 GMT

(https://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/styles/de2e_standard/public/2020-03/Screen%20Shot%202020-03-17%20at%2011.44.13%20AM.png?h=b07f0536&itok=8cmvf-PO)
Israeli Passengers wearing protective masks in the arrivals halls at Ben Gurion International Airport near Tel Aviv on March 10, 2020. (Jack Guez/AFP)
Highlights

Six new Israelis infected with Covid-19 to increase the overall infected number to 304

The number of Israelis infected by the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, rose Tuesday morning by six people to 304, according to the Health Ministry.

Among the infected are three people who work in the Central Laboratory for Detecting Coronavirus of the Ministry of Health at Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer.

Continued at:  https://www.albawaba.com/news/israel-number-covid-19-infected-persons-soars-304-1345219 (https://www.albawaba.com/news/israel-number-covid-19-infected-persons-soars-304-1345219)

INDIA
, okay, this lawsuit actually relies on that Dean Koontz book from 1981 (which of course, other members have mentioned a month or so ago. So, as evidence? I don't go along with that but you never know.  And I may not totally understand their lawsuit too.

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Complaint filed against Chinese President Xi Jinping for spreading Coronavirus, Bihar Court to hear on March 24 [Read Complaint]


To substantiate his claim, the Complainant has relied upon a book titled 'The Eyes of Darkness' which was published in 1981.
Bar & Bench
Mar 17, 2020, 1:59 PM IST

Filed by Advocate Sudheer Kumar Ojha, the complaint alleges that Jinping intentionally spread the virus amongst Indian population to harm the economy.
(https://gumlet.assettype.com/barandbench%2F2020-03%2F230e494a-2f71-4ac3-a6d6-4b97aba4cfd4%2FSudheer_kumar_ojha.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&format=webp&w=768&dpr=1.0)
Sudheer Kumar Ojha, Complainant
To substantiate his claim, the Complainant has relied upon a book titled 'The Eyes of Darkness' which was published in 1981.
(https://gumlet.assettype.com/barandbench%2F2020-03%2F8b9f701b-76f3-4c33-bf2f-1cc7e9436b65%2FCorona_Complaint__4_.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&format=webp&w=768&dpr=1.0)
An extract from the book cited by the complainant to support his theory that the Coronavirus stems from a Chinese conspiracy"The Eyes of Darkness", by Dean Koontz

As per the book, a deadly virus named Wuhan 400 was manufactured in a lab in Wuhan, only to be used as a biological weapon.

See more at:  https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/complaint-filed-against-chinese-president-xi-jinping-for-spreading-coronavirus-bihar-court-to-hear-on-march-24-read-complaint (https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/complaint-filed-against-chinese-president-xi-jinping-for-spreading-coronavirus-bihar-court-to-hear-on-march-24-read-complaint)

Not sure about the premise but I would agree, that the main cause of all of this is China certainly.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 02:14:13 pm
Uhh.... you realize..... that Nancy Pelosi is Italian.   Right?   333cleo

He did specify "beautiful." :yowsa:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 17, 2020, 02:19:01 pm

So, maybe in part, it's because Italy was a bit first in line, all things are not equal.
But the premise that they were first wasn't really true. The first documented case in the U.S. came nine days before the first Italian case.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 02:28:23 pm
From 6 to 20 overnight?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/)

Yes, I think Spain is actually getting socked real bad. Also, even if people want to say it is mainly certain groups getting it, those others are still having to use respirators, ICUs,

MEDICAL PERSONNEL, apparently, just  using nurses, etc. is a big deal Doctors, because they have to be careful they don't get infected themselves, I have no idea what it would be like going into a Doctor's office currently and IF they are dressed very heavily so they don't come in very direct contact with you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 02:34:23 pm
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U.S. Southern Border Flooded with Nationals from Coronavirus Countries

The United States’ borders have been flooded with thousands of foreign nationals arriving from countries affected by the Wuhan, China-originated coronavirus.

...

Since October, for example, 1,657 Chinese nationals have been apprehended at the southern border. About 341 of these Chinese nationals sought to enter the U.S. illegally just within the last few months.

More:  https://truepundit.com/u-s-southern-border-flooded-with-nationals-from-coronavirus-countries/

So, Border Patrol would have to worry about the virus there in these arrests, IOW, time bombs for the USA.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 02:40:22 pm
But the premise that they were first wasn't really true. The first documented case in the U.S. came nine days before the first Italian case.

That's what the article asserts, so that's what they said:

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There is a debate about why Italy was the first major Western country to be hit, especially since it was among the first to ban flights from China.

Also, if one flies in, gets immediately quarantined or the ship cases, that's a bit different than a situation where the virus might have a chance to germinate inside the nation's population.

The first case in the USA?? I would think that could be the Chicago case, but I'm not positive.

Dr. Oz was saying, there's a good chance, the virus existed in the world before, obviously, it was designated. He said he met some of the "Parasite" cast and one of the members was suffering shortness of breath. Of course, this is anecdotal.

Ive got Newsmax on, another factor is testing.  Maybe Italy's testing was limited vs. other countries. It's a matter of many variables.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 03:04:49 pm
Yes, I think Spain is actually getting socked real bad. Also, even if people want to say it is mainly certain groups getting it, those others are still having to use respirators, ICUs,

MEDICAL PERSONNEL, apparently, just  using nurses, etc. is a big deal Doctors, because they have to be careful they don't get infected themselves, I have no idea what it would be like going into a Doctor's office currently and IF they are dressed very heavily so they don't come in very direct contact with you.

That's complicated by the possibility of cross-contamination.  While the Doc may be protected, it doesn't protect patients from infecting each other.  If a Doctor and Nurse have to don a decon suit, they would have to change out of that suit for each patient and I can see some logistical problems with that. 

But...I am not a Doctor.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 03:07:58 pm
That's complicated by the possibility of cross-contamination.  While the Doc may be protected, it doesn't protect patients from infecting each other.  If a Doctor and Nurse have to don a decon suit, they would have to change out of that suit for each patient and I can see some logistical problems with that. 

But...I am not a Doctor.

Suffice to say it is a major mess.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 03:14:14 pm
If 120 people need a respirator and you have 100, what do you do?  First come, first serve or serve those most likely to survive with the respirator?

No, you put out a spec sheet and open the work to the myriad of small businesses out there that know how... Then you do everything in your power to keep materials flowing so that they can get what they need... And have MORE RESPIRATORS.

Of course that does not work once you've shut the place down and all those CNC machines are idle.

Then your finite pie applies.
Title: Iran And Italy Are Paying A Hefty Price For Close Ties With Communist China
Post by: mystery-ak on March 17, 2020, 03:20:14 pm
 Iran And Italy Are Paying A Hefty Price For Close Ties With Communist China

Iran and Italy's economies are worsening, and their people are suffering most in this Wuhan virus outbreak — all because of their leaders’ short-sighted and foolish decisions.

By Helen Raleigh
March 17, 2020

The coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China, has now swept through 126 countries, infected close to 170,000 people worldwide, and is responsible for more than 6,400 deaths as of March 15. China is leading the world in the number of confirmed cases and deaths. What many people find shocking is that Italy and Iran are the second- and third-hardest hit nations in this outbreak.

By any common-sense measure, both countries should have much lower numbers of confirmed cases and deaths because they are geographically far from the epicenter of the outbreak. The reason these two countries are suffering the most outside China is mainly due to their close ties with Beijing, primarily through the “One Belt and One Road” (OBOR) initiative.

OBOR is Beijing’s foreign policy play disguised as infrastructure investment. Here’s how it works: China and country X agree to do an infrastructure project in country X. Country X has to borrow from a Chinese bank to finance the project. A contract is always awarded to Chinese companies, which then bring supplies and Chinese employees to country X to build the project. Clearly, the country that benefits most from this initiative is China.

more
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/iran-and-italy-are-paying-a-hefty-price-for-close-ties-with-communist-china/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 03:20:27 pm
Suffice to say it is a major mess.

'Firmtive!
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 17, 2020, 03:39:38 pm
...  This is a huge responsibility, but he didn't take it as seriously as he should have in the beginning.  I won't fault him, because many people didn't realize what we were dealing with then.  I will fault him if his actions forward don't match the situation we have at hand.  Its going to take a lot to keep people calm.  And people need to hear the truth. 
...

@Chosen Daughter:

China informed WHO of the outbreak in Wuhan of unknown cause: December 31, 2019, https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/ (https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/)

Covid-19 identified to WHO: January 11 and 12, 2020, https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/ (https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/)

This wasn't a serious action? The US started screening arriving passengers from China: January 17, 2020, JFK, SFO, LAX https://www.businessinsider.com/new-disease-virus-china-us-airports-screening-cdc-2020-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/new-disease-virus-china-us-airports-screening-cdc-2020-1) ; O'Hare and Hartsfield-Jackson January 22, 2020, https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/21/us-screenings-coronavirus-expanded-airports-atlanta-chicago/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/21/us-screenings-coronavirus-expanded-airports-atlanta-chicago/)

This wasn't a serious action? Pharmaceuticals company working with US government to develop vaccine: January 22, 2020, Moderna, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/moderna-is-working-on-a-vaccine-for-chinas-deadly-coronavirus.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/moderna-is-working-on-a-vaccine-for-chinas-deadly-coronavirus.html)

Wuhan and other cities in Hubei Province shut down travel: January 23, 2020, https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html)

This wasn't a serious action? State Department raised the travel advisory for China to Level 4, do not travel: January 31, 2020, https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-flight-ban-delta-cuts-all-flights-white-house/4620989002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-flight-ban-delta-cuts-all-flights-white-house/4620989002/)

This wasn't a serious action? Trump declared a public health emergency: January 31, 2020, https://abcnews.go.com/Health/delta-suspends-us-flights-china-amid-coronavirus/story?id=68666037 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/delta-suspends-us-flights-china-amid-coronavirus/story?id=68666037)

This wasn't a serious action? People entering the US from China forbidden: February 2, 2020, https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/02/us/coronavirus-us-travel-restrictions/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/02/us/coronavirus-us-travel-restrictions/index.html) This effectively ended flights from and to China, for obvious reasons. The current date for flights to resume is March 30, 2020.

This wasn't a serious action? An NIH clinical trial of Remdesivir begun: February 25, 2020, at University of Nebraska Medical Center, https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-remdesivir-treat-covid-19-begins (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-remdesivir-treat-covid-19-begins)

This wasn't a serious action? Experimental vaccine submitted for testing: February 26, 2020, Moderna, https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/business/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/business/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html)

This wasn't a serious action? Army signed agreement with Gilead on experimental COVID-19 treatment: March 10, 2020, https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/10/army-signs-agreement-with-drug-giant-gilead-on-experimental-covid-19-treatment/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/10/army-signs-agreement-with-drug-giant-gilead-on-experimental-covid-19-treatment/)

This wasn't a serious action? People entering the US from Europe forbidden: Announced March 11,2020, effective March 13, 2020, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/travelers-rush-into-us-ahead-of-ban-on-europe-arrivals/ar-BB1173CZ (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/travelers-rush-into-us-ahead-of-ban-on-europe-arrivals/ar-BB1173CZ)

This wasn't a serious action? Eli Lilly announced partnership with research company to develop a treatment/vaccine as part of the DARPA program: March 13, 2020, https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/eli-lilly-joins-race-to-develop-coronavirus-treatment/ar-BB116BNR (https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/eli-lilly-joins-race-to-develop-coronavirus-treatment/ar-BB116BNR)

This wasn't a serious action? Testing begins of Moderna's experimental coronavirus vaccine: March 16, 2020, at Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute, https://www.kpwashingtonresearch.org/news-and-events/recent-news/news-2020/kaiser-permanente-launches-coronavirus-vaccine-study-seattle (https://www.kpwashingtonresearch.org/news-and-events/recent-news/news-2020/kaiser-permanente-launches-coronavirus-vaccine-study-seattle)

Facts contradict your claim, @Chosen Daughter. Trump and his Administration have taken serious action pretty much from when China notified WHO what the virus is, serious actions that are continuing/ongoing. A treatment went into testing on February 25. And a vaccine began testing March 16th. If Trump isn't "taking it seriously" if Trump isn't doing anything, how did those milestones happen?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 03:40:59 pm
Diamond Princess Mysteries

We had a perfect petri-dish coronavirus disease (COVID-19) experiment with the cruise ship “Diamond Princess”. That’s the cruise ship that ended up in quarantine for a number of weeks after a number of people tested positive for the coronavirus. I got to wondering what the outcome of the experiment was.

So I dug around and found an analysis of the situation, with the catchy title of Estimating the infection and case fatality ratio for COVID-19 using age-adjusted data from the outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship (PDF), so I could see what the outcomes were.

As you might imagine, before they knew it was a problem, the epidemic raged on the ship, with infected crew members cooking and cleaning for the guests, people all eating together, close living quarters, lots of social interaction, and a generally older population. Seems like a perfect situation for an overwhelming majority of the passengers to become infected.

And despite that, some 83% (82.7% – 83.9%) of the passengers never got the disease at all … why?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/16/diamond-princess-mysteries/

It is also interesting that two densely populated cities - Hong Kong and Singapore - reported low infection percentages.  One thing to take into consideration is the climate, especially the humidity.  Influenza viruses do not propagate well in wet conditions.  One could expect a relative humidity approaching 100% all the time in both cities and a cruise ship out to sea.  Higher temperatures push even more water vapor into the air.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 03:59:42 pm
@PeteS in CA  At the risk of sounding like a "Trump Cheerleader," I'm going to say I've been pretty happy, on balance, with the Administrations actions vis the Corona Virus thus far.  His agencies were on the ball as soon as China reported to WHO the new bug, despite the country being focused on Impeachment.  I think accusations Trump doesn't/didn't give a crap are very unfair.

They can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 17, 2020, 04:12:48 pm
@PeteS in CA  At the risk of sounding like a "Trump Cheerleader," I'm going to say I've been pretty happy, on balance, with the Administrations actions vis the Corona Virus thus far.  His agencies were on the ball as soon as China reported to WHO the new bug, despite the country being focused on Impeachment.  I think accusations Trump doesn't/didn't give a crap are very unfair.

They can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

When I first started that "timeline" it was because I had already seen that the MSM were ignoring and memory-holing Trump Administration actions, and knew it would be useful to have info readily at hand. Some folks act predictably ... e.g. almost not a peep from my Prog FB friends to the timeline and events subsequent to that post (not even the news of the patient at UC Davis whose life was apparently saved by the experimental drug Remdesivir).
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 04:23:01 pm
When I first started that "timeline" it was because I had already seen that the MSM were ignoring and memory-holing Trump Administration actions, and knew it would be useful to have info readily at hand. Some folks act predictably ... e.g. almost not a peep from my Prog FB friends to the timeline and events subsequent to that post (not even the news of the patient at UC Davis whose life was apparently saved by the experimental drug Remdesivir).

They don't want to go there because their Leftist "gods" do not compare favorably to what we're seeing now.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Neverdul on March 17, 2020, 04:48:00 pm

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Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: thackney on March 17, 2020, 04:54:09 pm
No, you put out a spec sheet and open the work to the myriad of small businesses out there that know how... Then you do everything in your power to keep materials flowing so that they can get what they need... And have MORE RESPIRATORS.

Of course that does not work once you've shut the place down and all those CNC machines are idle.

Then your finite pie applies.

Yes, If you get busy while learning from the mistakes of others, like Italy.  Machine Shops are not shut down in the US, but the spread of the virus is greatly slowed down.  We now have the time to better prepare than Italy did.

But if you just ignore it, if you allow the virus to spread without taking preventative measures, hospitals get overwhelmed and you are behind the curve.  We have a decent chance to stay ahead of it.

Many of us are going to have to adapt.  Pretending we shouldn't is foolish.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 04:57:31 pm
No, you put out a spec sheet and open the work to the myriad of small businesses out there that know how... Then you do everything in your power to keep materials flowing so that they can get what they need... And have MORE RESPIRATORS.

Of course that does not work once you've shut the place down and all those CNC machines are idle.

Then your finite pie applies.

My company makes things. We're still making things. There are many components that go into making modern high tech products. It takes time to ramp up the entire supply chain. One missing part and the product isn't complete and likely can't be used. The respirators already in service were supplied over a period of many years. Part of the point of slowing the spread rate down is to provide more time for more supplies to be available. It is going to take weeks if not months to ramp up the supply of respirators to the point of actually making a difference. We definitely wouldn't have that much time is nothing was done to slow the spread down.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 05:09:15 pm
Yes, If you get busy while learning from the mistakes of others, like Italy.  Machine Shops are not shut down in the US, but the spread of the virus is greatly slowed down.  We now have the time to better prepare than Italy did.

But if you just ignore it, if you allow the virus to spread without taking preventative measures, hospitals get overwhelmed and you are behind the curve.  We have a decent chance to stay ahead of it.

Many of us are going to have to adapt.  Pretending we shouldn't is foolish.

That is not the point. Shutting it all off is the point. And machine shops do nothing without the materials in the pipeline. Parts houses ARE shutting down here. 
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
My company makes things. We're still making things. There are many components that go into making modern high tech products. It takes time to ramp up the entire supply chain. One missing part and the product isn't complete and likely can't be used. The respirators already in service were supplied over a period of many years. Part of the point of slowing the spread rate down is to provide more time for more supplies to be available. It is going to take weeks if not months to ramp up the supply of respirators to the point of actually making a difference. We definitely wouldn't have that much time is nothing was done to slow the spread down.

Supplies will not be available if the place is shut down.

And I disagree too - I don't thing you NEED a modern respirator. When in need you need ANY respirator. Something that is mechanically capable can be made if encouraged...
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 05:15:11 pm
Supplies will not be available if the place is shut down.

And I disagree too - I don't thing you NEED a modern respirator. When in need you need ANY respirator. Something that is mechanically capable can be made if encouraged...

I read somewhere that some medical people have figured out how to convert CPAP machines into make-shift Respirators.  There are a million of those available.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 05:20:33 pm
I read somewhere that some medical people have figured out how to convert CPAP machines into make-shift Respirators.  There are a million of those available.

Right. They don't work perfectly, but they take the weight off so those that are dire have more access to respirators.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 05:24:00 pm
Supplies will not be available if the place is shut down.

And I disagree too - I don't thing you NEED a modern respirator. When in need you need ANY respirator. Something that is mechanically capable can be made if encouraged...

We're still making things. Assembly houses are still operating here. It still takes time to ramp things up. In the electronics industry it isn't uncommon to have 20+ week lead times for parts. Everything is planned ahead when it involves any significant volume.

You forget the lawyers. Anyone who dies on anything less than fully functional and approved device is going to be open to big lawsuits.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 05:31:04 pm
You forget the lawyers. Anyone who dies on anything less than fully functional and approved device is going to be open to big lawsuits.

RIGHT. THAT's what the government should be doing. Paving the way. Cutting red tape. Making sure the pipeline is full - overflowing and pressurized.That is what gives us options... agility.

I will reiterate that this is not a medical problem as much as it is a logistical one.

Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 05:35:50 pm
I read somewhere that some medical people have figured out how to convert CPAP machines into make-shift Respirators.  There are a million of those available.

Has there been any actual data collected on if that really works or not? I use a CPAP machine every night... When you first start using one it is harder to breath because you naturally fight the added pressure. After awhile you get use to it and don't notice the pressure much - but that does take awhile. Another question is if it pushes fluid further into the lungs causing more problems filling deeper areas. Just curious...

Normal respirators push air in and pull air out forcing you to breath at the machines rhythm. CPAP doesn't do that at all. It just pressurizes you to open things up. There is a variant called BPAP that has two different pressure levels that changes between inhaling and exhaling. They are less common but they may be more helpful as a substitute to a respirator.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 05:46:03 pm
Right. They don't work perfectly, but they take the weight off so those that are dire have more access to respirators.

Correct.  I'd accept half-assed measures if they'll do OK for me, with the added benefit of ensuring real ventilators can go to people worse off than me.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 05:49:07 pm
Has there been any actual data collected on if that really works or not? I use a CPAP machine every night... When you first start using one it is harder to breath because you naturally fight the added pressure. After awhile you get use to it and don't notice the pressure much - but that does take awhile. Another question is if it pushes fluid further into the lungs causing more problems filling deeper areas. Just curious...

Normal respirators push air in and pull air out forcing you to breath at the machines rhythm. CPAP doesn't do that at all. It just pressurizes you to open things up. There is a variant called BPAP that has two different pressure levels that changes between inhaling and exhaling. They are less common but they may be more helpful as a substitute to a respirator.

I'm not suggesting CPAPs can replace the ventilator, but they can help for less-severe cases.  And I think there's retro-fitting involved as well.  They don't just stick a CPAP on somebody in respiratory distress.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 05:58:37 pm
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China pulls credentials of journalists working for New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Time, and VOA
by Joel Gehrke | March 17, 2020

China is banning journalists from five American media outlets in retaliation for President Trump’s requirement that Chinese state-run media organizations register as foreign missions.

“They will not be allowed to continue working as journalists in the People's Republic of China, including its Hong Kong and Macao Special Administrative Regions,” China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced through state-run media.

The new policy affects five organizations: Voice of America, a U.S.-funded outlet; the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and Time magazine. Employees of those organizations must hand in their press badges within 10 days, according to the announcement.

Read more at:   https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-pulls-credentials-from-journalists-working-for-new-york-times-washington-post-wall-street-journal-time-and-voa (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/china-pulls-credentials-from-journalists-working-for-new-york-times-washington-post-wall-street-journal-time-and-voa)
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 05:59:03 pm
I'm not suggesting CPAPs can replace the ventilator, but they can help for less-severe cases.  And I think there's retro-fitting involved as well.  They don't just stick a CPAP on somebody in respiratory distress.

I understand. And maybe they offer significant benefit unmodified. Just curious if any data supports that or not. I have no idea...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:01:32 pm


"Please Brer Fox!  Don't throw me in that briar patch!"
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 06:03:24 pm
It is also interesting that two densely populated cities - Hong Kong and Singapore - reported low infection percentages.  One thing to take into consideration is the climate, especially the humidity.  Influenza viruses do not propagate well in wet conditions.  One could expect a relative humidity approaching 100% all the time in both cities and a cruise ship out to sea.  Higher temperatures push even more water vapor into the air.

They also have very tightly controlled borders and began their border controls very quickly. They also have insight into their neighbor's behavior and to not trust what their neighbor claims. In other words they saw the signs that something was up in China quickly and responded to it immediately ignoring what China was saying - like there was no evidence of it passed from person to person, etc...
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:08:02 pm
I understand. And maybe they offer significant benefit unmodified. Just curious if any data supports that or not. I have no idea...

Me neither.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 06:09:03 pm
Correct.  I'd accept half-assed measures if they'll do OK for me, with the added benefit of ensuring real ventilators can go to people worse off than me.

That's it. If the house is burning down, you don't necessarily wait for the firemen... Garden hoses, bucket brigades... distributed solutions before the real solution could ever be found...

I admire the guy that thought of it... He's thinking out of the box, and that's where solutions arrive - Seat-of-the-pants moves way faster than engineers and boardrooms, and often suffices, right out of left field.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 06:12:58 pm
No English yet....excerpted:

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@jenniferatntd
First case of dog dying of #Coronavirus #COVID19
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 via @dajiyuan

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239974511761436675

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Janie Hsieh, PhD
@JanieHsieh
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The world is not yet there of course. Anything but give natural alternative medicine a chance at being mainstream. If this keeps going we will get there and it's time for allopathic medicine to make some room.
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Janie Hsieh, PhD
@JanieHsieh
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And if not time to focus on identifying Natural remedies that can eliminate this virus. We have given allopathic medicine decades and we don't have effective antiviral cures on the market. Time to give other types of treatments a chance. https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh/sta...

https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh/status/1239961564507246594

Of course, we will need much more on this....
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:15:34 pm
That's it. If the house is burning down, you don't necessarily wait for the firemen... Garden hoses, bucket brigades... distributed solutions before the real solution could ever be found...

I admire the guy that thought of it... He's thinking out of the box, and that's where solutions arrive - Seat-of-the-pants moves way faster than engineers and boardrooms, and often suffices, right out of left field.

The Technicians are usually overlooked in the chain of technological advances.  You can bet it was a Tech who thought that up, maybe an Engineer but certainly not a bean-counter.  Those guys are practically worthless outside the boardroom.  Put them in charge of a company and it will fail spectacularly.  I always use the example of my former Employer, Motorola to illustrate what happens when you put non-engineers in charge of a Big Tech company.  We were doing fine until a Business Administration grad inherited the company from his Daddy.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 06:15:44 pm
I'm not suggesting CPAPs can replace the ventilator, but they can help for less-severe cases.  And I think there's retro-fitting involved as well.  They don't just stick a CPAP on somebody in respiratory distress.

CPAPs are a replacement for respirators, not ventilators.  As for a respirator shortage, if your choice is between a CPAP and nothing at all, a CPAP is the preferred option.  Just crank up the pressure.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: EdinVA on March 17, 2020, 06:18:21 pm
@TomSea

...working as journalists?
Whatsa journalist?  Do we have any of those?
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 06:18:31 pm
CPAPs are a replacement for respirators, not ventilators.  As for a respirator shortage, if your choice is between a CPAP and nothing at all, a CPAP is the preferred option.  Just crank up the pressure.

I have a CPAP machine so that's what gives it more personal interest to me. I'll have to look up the difference between respirators and ventilators.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:19:11 pm
CPAPs are a replacement for respirators, not ventilators.  As for a respirator shortage, if your choice is between a CPAP and nothing at all, a CPAP is the preferred option.  Just crank up the pressure.

And add an Oxygen generator upstream of the mask.  And yes, I misspoke, mixing "respirators" with "ventilators," much different animals.  Sorry....
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:20:20 pm
I have a CPAP machine so that's what gives it more personal interest to me. I'll have to look up the difference between respirators and ventilators.

I believe a ventilator involves intubation.  Much more invasive.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 06:23:26 pm
The Technicians are usually overlooked in the chain of technological advances.  You can bet it was a Tech who thought that up, maybe an Engineer but certainly not a bean-counter.  Those guys are practically worthless outside the boardroom.  Put them in charge of a company and it will fail spectacularly.  I always use the example of my former Employer, Motorola to illustrate what happens when you put non-engineers in charge of a Big Tech company.  We were doing fine until a Business Administration grad inherited the company from his Daddy.

I'm a basement geek - The guys who ain't pretty enough for upstairs... living on Mountain Dew and Cheetos (puffy, slightly stale) from vending machines and bathed in nothing but artificial light.. Where obsessions negate schedules.

So it is little wonder i agree with you.   happy77
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: DB on March 17, 2020, 06:26:10 pm
I'm a basement geek - The guys who ain't pretty enough for upstairs... living on Mountain Dew and Cheetos (puffy, slightly stale) from vending machines and bathed in nothing but artificial light.. Where obsessions negate schedules.

So it is little wonder i agree with you.   happy77

LOL! Is that what happened to me...
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:27:14 pm
I'm a basement geek - The guys who ain't pretty enough for upstairs... living on Mountain Dew and Cheetos (puffy, slightly stale) from vending machines and bathed in nothing but artificial light.. Where obsessions negate schedules.

So it is little wonder i agree with you.   happy77

Remember the old rhyme, "Gene, Gene made the machine..."?  You and I are "Joe."  We make it go.  Unfortunately companies often get put in the hands of "Art."  We all know what he did. :cool:
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 06:27:44 pm
LOL! Is that what happened to me...

Hello, "Joe!"   :rolling:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 07:05:15 pm
?? I swear some things people say does fit in with what the CCP would like. I certainly would not say someone does that intentionally but nonetheless,  it may well be true. 

Has to be said and not to be offensive, what others say could be seen as offensive too.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 07:11:04 pm
I Will Survive

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxe-5lJ6R6o#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 07:20:40 pm
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
The Chinese Communist Party stays in power by restricting access to information. It’s no surprise that a free press—particularly one reporting on China’s terrible response to the Wuhan coronavirus—has threatened CCP enough to be expelled from their shores.
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China Bans All U.S. Nationals Working for The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post...
China Bans U.S. Nationals at Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post Whose Press Credentials Expire In 2020 From Working in China, Hong Kong, Macau - Foreign Ministry
wsj.com

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1239970870530953217

Darn tootin'.

Chairman Mao caps, what are chairman Mao caps? Anyone wearing them?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2020, 07:39:44 pm
Speaking of Chairman Mao:

Little Feat  -  Apolitical Blues

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVijd9g_Hk#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 17, 2020, 07:50:14 pm
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World Health Organization Boot-Licks China, With Deadly Results
thefederalist.com

The coronavirus (COVID-19) has spread throughout the world, having infected more than 100,000 people and causing the deaths of more than 4,000. Officials in charge of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the World Health Organization (WHO) have rightly received plenty of criticism about how they’ve managed the outbreak, with nearly half a million people calling on WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus to resign.

The reason for the WHO’s failure to properly act to contain the outbreak, and its repeated issuing of inaccurate and bad advice, is not merely the result of incompetence. Rather, the malfeasance is the direct result of the CCP deliberately buying out WHO’s leadership, with tragic consequences.

Experts have pinned the virus as starting possibly as early as October, months before the CCP alerted the world about the risks posed by the deadly disease. Rather than addressing the issue, China arrested journalists and doctors who tried to sound the alarm. In addition, the “People’s Republic” blocked information on social media and removed all news stories that attempted to report accurate infection numbers. The end result of this was preventable suffering, as countries were unable to take the urgent action needed to respond.

Read more at:  https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/u-s-funds-world-health-organization-that-boot-licks-china-with-deadly-results/

Clear as a bell.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 17, 2020, 08:00:48 pm
So, Border Patrol would have to worry about the virus there in these arrests, IOW, time bombs for the USA.

CLOSE DOWN THE BORDER COMPLETELY!  FIRE AT WILL FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO STOP AND TURN AROUND!!  ANYONE ILLEGALLY STEPPING FOOT ON US SOIL WILL BE CONSIDERED AN ENEMY OF THE U.S.

ANNOUNCE THIS LOUD AND CLEAR MR. PRESIDENT.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 17, 2020, 08:03:18 pm
Clear as a bell.

What's not clear to the Lefties is such is inherent in a totalitarian model of government.
Title: Re: Iranian Commander Suggests Virus Might Be US Biological Weapon
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2020, 08:11:44 pm
LOL! Is that what happened to me...

  :laugh::beer:

Remember the old rhyme, "Gene, Gene made the machine..."?  You and I are "Joe."  We make it go.  Unfortunately companies often get put in the hands of "Art."  We all know what he did. :cool:

 :silly:  :beer:
Title: German CDU leadership contender Merz has coronavirus
Post by: Gefn on March 17, 2020, 10:05:56 pm
BERLIN (Reuters) - Friedrich Merz, one of the most likely candidates to take over the leadership of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative Christian Democrats (CDU), said on Tuesday in a tweet that he had tested positive for coronavirus.

Merz, who wants to shift the CDU to the right in a clear break from Merkel’s more liberal brand of conservatism, was confirming a report first published by the dpa news agency.

“A #Corona-test carried out on Sunday is positive,” Merz tweeted. “I will stay home in quarantine until the end of next week. Luckily I have only light to mild symptoms, all appointments have been canceled.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-merz-idUSKBN2142B3 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-merz-idUSKBN2142B3)
Title: CNN guest says ’significant number of young adults’ are 'seriously ill' in Italy
Post by: mystery-ak on March 18, 2020, 12:06:00 am
CNN guest says ’significant number of young adults’ are 'seriously ill' in Italy

A professor of tropical medicine at one of America's top universities is pushing back against claims that young people should not be overly concerned about the coronavirus outbreak because of its low fatality rate in people under the age of 40.

Speaking with CNN's Brooke Baldwin, Baylor dean and professor of tropical medicine Peter Hotez said unpublished reports out of Italy showed a "significant" amount of young people in intensive care units.

"What we're seeing in Italy, and again, this is not published, not published in the scientific literature, so it's still kind of the anecdotal state, where we're hearing about it, that there's an unexpected, unexpectedly significant number of young adults that are getting seriously ill and in the ICU," Hotez said. "We're seeing 25-, 30-year-old adults in the ICU."

Hotez agreed with suggestions from Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx, two leading health officials on the White House coronavirus task force, that young people can be asymptomatic carriers of the disease but stressed they could also suffer serious health issues if they become infected.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-guest-says-significant-number-of-young-adults-are-seriously-ill-in-italy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-guest-says-significant-number-of-young-adults-are-seriously-ill-in-italy)
Title: China is kicking NYT, WSJ, Wash. Post journalists out of the country
Post by: Elderberry on March 18, 2020, 12:28:21 am
American Military News by Kyle Perisic  March 17, 2020

China has revoked the press credentials of U.S. journalists’ at major publications, effectively banning them from the country, in response to the Trump administration’s recent decision to reduce the cap on Chinese-controlled media entities in the United States.

China accused the United States in a statement on Tuesday of harboring a “growing discrimination” against the Chinese and “politically-motivated oppression” of its journalists in the United States. China-based journalists at the New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal, notify the Department of Information of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs within four days starting Tuesday.

The journalists won’t be allowed to report anywhere in China. China will also take reciprocal measures against the journalists “with regard to visa, administrative review and reporting.”

More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/china-is-kicking-nyt-wsj-wash-post-journalists-out-of-the-country/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/china-is-kicking-nyt-wsj-wash-post-journalists-out-of-the-country/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 01:27:41 am
I get it, if China was a free country to begin with, just maybe we wouldn't be going through this.

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Nobel Prize winner rips Chinese government for response to coronavirus
by Dominick Mastrangelo | March 17, 2020

A Nobel Prize winner criticized Chinese leaders for not doing more to curb the spread of the coronavirus, accusing them of hiding the realities of the pandemic.

Mario Vargas Llosa, who won the prize for literature in 2010, said the COVID-19 virus would have been more easily contained in China and around the world if the Chinese people lived in a free society rather than a dictatorship.

"Nobody seems to warn that none of this could be happening in the world if popular China were a free and democratic country and not the dictatorship that it is," Vargas Llosa wrote in the Spanish newspaper El Pais. "At least one prestigious doctor, and maybe several, detected this virus well in advance and, instead of taking the corresponding measures, the government tried to hide the news and silenced that voice or those sensible voices and tried to prevent the news spread, as all dictatorships do."

Read more at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nobel-prize-winner-rips-chinese-government-for-response-to-coronavirus?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nobel-prize-winner-rips-chinese-government-for-response-to-coronavirus?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Vargas_Llosa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Vargas_Llosa)    Famous well known author from Peru.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 02:45:24 am
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'Aggressive' action needed in Southeast Asia to stop coronavirus: WHO

NEW DELHI: The World Health Organization called for "aggressive" action in Southeast Asia to combat the fast-spreading coronavirus, warning on Tuesday (Mar 17) that some countries were heading towards community transmission of the deadly disease.

Infections have soared across the region in recent weeks, forcing several countries to introduce drastic measures ranging from closing their borders to foreign arrivals and imposing nighttime curfews to closing schools and cancelling sports events.

There are concerns that weaker public health care systems in many Southeast Asian countries will be unable to cope with a major outbreak.

More at:   https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-who-southeast-asia-12549862 (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-who-southeast-asia-12549862)

How bad this is, in the past, yes, very good, there's an earthquake somewhere send aid, even medical teams. Here the whole world is ailing.

Russia:
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Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News | March 17

As the new coronavirus that has killed more than 7,100 people continues to spread around the world, Russia has stepped up its measures to tackle the pandemic and prevent its spread within the country.

There have been 114 cases of coronavirus infections reported in Russia so far.

(https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/1360/2d/upperdater1.jpg)

...

March 10

— Russia's consumer safety watchdog recommended that people avoid public transport, shopping malls and other public places at rush hour as a precaution against the coronavirus, the state-run RIA news agency reported. "Refrain from visiting public places: shopping centers, sports and entertainment events and transport during rush hour," the Rospotrebnadzor watchdog was quoted as saying.


More: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-17-a69117 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-17-a69117)

Almost half the cases are in Moscow.



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 03:09:19 am
If I'm reading this correctly, a 33 woman in Ukraine passed away from the virus.

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Coronavirus in Ukraine: 14 cases confirmed, two of them lethal

Source : 112 Ukraine
Most of the cases are observed in Chernivtsi region, western Ukraine

...

A 33-year-old woman passed away in Chernivtsi region. A 31-year-old person and a 18-year-old youngster (their sexes were not revealed), as well as three children (10 years old, one, and one and a half years old) got infected in the same region. All of them contacted a person who was previously diagnosed with coronavirus.

Earlier, an elderly woman in Zhytomyr region passsed away; she was infected with coronavirus, too.

See more at:  https://112.international/society/coronavirus-in-ukraine-14-cases-confirmed-two-of-them-lethal-49613.html

The English at this website is not always the best, that said, the obvious per above, a woman well under 50 died from it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 03:20:49 am
Well, this sucks and there's enough of a paywall but I will post what the story says, it's also from March 1st:

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CORONAVIRUS
Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December
Philip Sherwell, Bangkok

Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

More:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj)

That's really bad.... and it says they got this from a Chinese paper, I see it there named, CAIXIN,  I don't know if they are actually in China but they are tuned in to there, they are Chinese. I'm under the impression that freedom of the Press is heavily restricted.

CAIXIN are on the net and I believe in the English language, I was reading something from them the other day.

It appears indeed, they are headquartered in Beijing: 

https://www.caixinglobal.com/ (https://www.caixinglobal.com/)

China had SARS earlier, I don't know much about that. I believe Senator Cotton asserts that they were irresponsible with SARS and so that this is a repeat but probably much more serious.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 18, 2020, 03:36:28 am
Well, this sucks and there's enough of a paywall but I will post what the story says, it's also from March 1st:

That's really bad.... and it says they got this from a Chinese paper, I see it there named, CAIXIN,  I don't know if they are actually in China but they are tuned in to there, they are Chinese. I'm under the impression that freedom of the Press is heavily restricted.

CAIXIN are on the net and I believe in the English language, I was reading something from them the other day.

It appears indeed, they are headquartered in Beijing: 

https://www.caixinglobal.com/ (https://www.caixinglobal.com/)

China had SARS earlier, I don't know much about that. I believe Senator Cotton asserts that they were irresponsible with SARS and so that this is a repeat but probably much more serious.

If this is true the only likely reason to destroy the samples is the RNA matched what was in their bio lab and they were trying to make it disappear in a panic. But it didn't.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 12:27:51 pm
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John Daniel Davidson “Mexico Is Dangerously Unprepared” for the Coronavirus

As much of the world goes into various stages of lockdown because of the Wuhan coronavirus, Mexico is in denial. The government’s response thus far has been to downplay the risks and carry on with life as normal. Mexican officialdom has taken almost no steps to contain the virus or prepare for an outbreak, despite a warning last week from the deputy health minister that a widespread outbreak is inevitable and that community transmission could begin there in a matter of weeks.

When that happens—not if, when—things are going to deteriorate very quickly in Mexico. The outbreak will almost certainly affect the entire country, cripple the economy, and threaten to bring down an already weak and corrupt government.

As of Saturday, there were only 41 confirmed cases in Mexico, where the disease was first detected at the end of February, about a month after it was detected in the United States. But there are likely many more infections across the country. Francisco Moreno Sánchez, head of internal medicine at the ABC hospital in Mexico City, said last week “there must be many more cases” in Mexico and that the government is taking the risk of an outbreak too lightly. The effects of an undetected outbreak, he added, will be “brutal.”

More at:  https://newsthud.com/john-daniel-davidson-mexico-is-dangerously-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus/ (https://newsthud.com/john-daniel-davidson-mexico-is-dangerously-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus/)
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'Preparing for war': Africans scramble for groceries
Clement Uwiringiyimana

KIGALI (Reuters) - Alarmed consumers thronged markets across Africa on Tuesday, many in masks and gloves, to stock up as the coronavirus spread on the world’s poorest continent.

Prices rose in some parts, though at least one country, Rwanda, sought to control costs of staple foods.

“It is as if people are preparing for war,” said an astonished shopkeeper as Rwandans clamored for rice, cooking oil, sugar and flour at a market in the capital Kigali.

More:   https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-africa-idUSKBN21421L (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-africa-idUSKBN21421L)

It has been a bit like preparing for war.

Actually, at least, Africa seems to be taking, generally speaking per checking news of all countries, seems to be taking quite a few measures.

Mexico, if not careful, could be in for it.. but pushing Easter up to March 20, Holy Week or however the calendar they are using does it, I'm not sure if that is even going to be helpful.

As much as they can, apparently countries like Venezuela are preparing, Colombia has closed their borders.

This is one heckuva thing.

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Global Coronavirus cases pass 200,000
-  BBC Live Coverage  (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-51939591)

...

Boris Johnson replies that testing is moving to "up to 25,000 a day", and says work is ongoing to make sure NHS workers can go to work in "perfect security".

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/3/18/b72a3f80-2736-49ab-9659-5174dd25cd83.jpg)

...

Just look at how different it is from last week's PMQs...

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2020/3/18/f51efa1c-dc9b-496e-8547-28ffd25436e7.jpg)




So, way too much news.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 18, 2020, 01:41:39 pm
CLOSE DOWN THE BORDER COMPLETELY!  FIRE AT WILL FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO STOP AND TURN AROUND!!  ANYONE ILLEGALLY STEPPING FOOT ON US SOIL WILL BE CONSIDERED AN ENEMY OF THE U.S.

ANNOUNCE THIS LOUD AND CLEAR MR. PRESIDENT.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

I bet you have the same brand of keyboard President Trump tweets with.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 18, 2020, 01:47:39 pm
The coronavirus (COVID-19) has spread throughout the world, having infected more than 100,000 people and causing the deaths of more than 4,000.
How old is this story?  Those numbers are actually half what they should be.  https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html Kinda makes me question the intelligence of the writer and certainly the editor.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 18, 2020, 02:20:29 pm
Coronavirus: Big rise in UK COVID-19 cases - up by 676 to 2,626

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-big-rise-in-uk-covid-19-cases-up-by-676-to-2-626-11959591

Breaking. Just headline with a developing blip underneath
Title: Re: China is kicking NYT, WSJ, Wash. Post journalists out of the country
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 18, 2020, 04:13:34 pm
"Journalists" who falsely accuse Trump of censorship and infringing freedom of the press experiencing real censorship and press freedom violations? I'm having trouble seeing a downside to that.

The wolf-criers getting eaten by a different but real wolf.
Title: Re: China is kicking NYT, WSJ, Wash. Post journalists out of the country
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 18, 2020, 06:29:19 pm
What I find the most interesting about this story, is who isn't being kicked out.
Title: Re: China is kicking NYT, WSJ, Wash. Post journalists out of the country
Post by: cato potatoe on March 18, 2020, 06:38:13 pm
We need to revisit all trade agreements with China immediately.  I am a free marketeer, but only where it benefits the free countries.  Their government has poisoned the world.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 18, 2020, 06:58:04 pm
Coronavirus: Big rise in UK COVID-19 cases - up by 676 to 2,626

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-big-rise-in-uk-covid-19-cases-up-by-676-to-2-626-11959591

Breaking. Just headline with a developing blip underneath
When I see a jump in numbers like that, I have to wonder if it is at least partly an artifact of increased testing or getting the results back. Before being tested, these same cases did not count, officially, even though the people had the virus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 18, 2020, 07:24:43 pm
WHO = World Hysteria Organization
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: corbe on March 18, 2020, 07:51:57 pm
GM and Ford to close all North American plants through end of month
by Sean Higgins
March 18, 2020 02:49 PM

 
General Motors and Ford announced Wednesday that they would suspend all production at their North American facilities until the end of the month, saying the move was necessary to protect employees from contracting the coronavirus. Fiat-Chrysler was expected to make a similar announcement.

The announcement came less than a day after the companies announced, along with the United Auto Workers, that they would engage in rotating shutdowns of their plants to limit workers' exposure to the virus. However, shortly after that announcement, news broke that a worker at the Sterling, Michigan, Fiat-Chrysler plant had become sick, prompting the groups to rethink the strategy, according to an official with knowledge of the talks. The source said that Fiat-Chrysler was expected to also close its plants, but it had not made a statement early Wednesday afternoon.

<..snip..>

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/gm-and-ford-to-close-all-north-american-plants-through-end-of-month (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/gm-and-ford-to-close-all-north-american-plants-through-end-of-month)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 07:57:11 pm
Fox News:

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South Africa's coronavirus cases nearly double in ‘explosive’ rate, local transmissions diagnosed

South Africa reported Wednesday the number of coronavirus cases in the country nearly doubled in a span of just two days as the pandemic begins to grip the African continent.

The sub-Saharan country, which has the most cases in the region, said there are now 116 new COVID-19 cases, including 14 from a local transmission and six in children under 10.

Read more at:  https://www.foxnews.com/world/south-africa-coronavirus-cases (https://www.foxnews.com/world/south-africa-coronavirus-cases)

Irish Times:
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Coronavirus: Italy’s death toll surges by 475 as over 200,000 cases reported worldwide

US-Canada border set to close, while Iran sees another jump in fatalities
Read more at: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-italy-s-death-toll-surges-by-475-as-over-200-000-cases-reported-worldwide-1.4205664 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-italy-s-death-toll-surges-by-475-as-over-200-000-cases-reported-worldwide-1.4205664)

I don't care what anyone says, when Italy has hundreds dying and that's a high number or Spain who had some figure in the 200s dying in a day, that's serious. It's amazing this would even need to be defended as news relevant.

IB Times:
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First Virus Death In Sub-Saharan Africa As WHO Warns 'Prepare For Worst'

Sub-Saharan Africa on Wednesday recorded its first coronavirus death, a high-ranking politician in Burkina Faso, as the head of the World Health Organisation urged the continent to "prepare for the worst".

"Africa should wake up," Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a press conference in Geneva, pointing out that "in other countries we have seen how the virus actually accelerates after a certain tipping point".

Africa has lagged behind the global curve for coronavirus infections and deaths, but in the past few days has seen a significant rise in cases.

Read more at:   https://www.ibtimes.com/first-virus-death-sub-saharan-africa-who-warns-prepare-worst-2942161 (https://www.ibtimes.com/first-virus-death-sub-saharan-africa-who-warns-prepare-worst-2942161)

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Global powers unleash trillions of dollars to stem spiraling coronavirus crisis
David Shepardson, David Milliken

WASHINGTON/LONDON (Reuters) - The world’s richest nations prepared more costly measures on Tuesday to combat the global fallout of the coronavirus that has infected tens of thousands of people, triggered social restrictions unseen since World War Two and sent economies spinning toward recession.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-idUSKBN21432M (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-idUSKBN21432M)

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Coronavirus surges across Southeast Asia as Malaysia warns of 'tsunami' of cases
Stanley Widianto, Ebrahim Harris

JAKARTA/KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Coronavirus infections surged across Southeast Asia on Wednesday with Indonesia’s death toll jumping from five to 19 and Malaysia warning of “a tsunami” of cases if people did not follow new restrictions on movement.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-malaysia-idUSKBN21508Q (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-malaysia-idUSKBN21508Q)

Really, a lot of negatives.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 18, 2020, 08:00:25 pm
When I see a jump in numbers like that, I have to wonder if it is at least partly an artifact of increased testing or getting the results back. Before being tested, these same cases did not count, officially, even though the people had the virus.

That's absolutely true... I've seen it commented on TV (oh, big deal) by experts though, yes, naturally more testing means more positives.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 18, 2020, 08:00:25 pm
Really, a lot of negatives.

How else do you expect the left to trash the economy enough to win the next election?  So how about giving it a rest for the next 21 days so that we can focus on rising recovery rates instead of parroting MSM agenda-driven hysteria?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 18, 2020, 08:45:54 pm
WHO Now Officially Recommends to Avoid Taking Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms
https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms (https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms)
17 MARCH 2020

The World Health Organization recommended Tuesday that people suffering COVID-19 symptoms avoid taking ibuprofen, after French officials warned that anti-inflammatory drugs could worsen effects of the virus.

The warning by French Health Minister Veran followed a recent study in The Lancet medical journal that hypothesised that an enzyme boosted by anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen could facilitate and worsen COVID-19 infections....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 18, 2020, 08:49:25 pm
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The World Health Organization recommended Tuesday that people suffering COVID-19 symptoms avoid taking ibuprofen .  .  .

.  .  .  based on one case.

Idiots.

WHO = World Hysteria Organization
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: thackney on March 18, 2020, 09:01:38 pm
.  .  .  based on one case.

Idiots.

WHO = World Hysteria Organization

A bit more than one:

Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 18, 2020, 09:06:09 pm
A bit more than one:

Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext)

It is a hypothesis only.  Not based on actual case study.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 12:13:57 am
Cross posted from editorials:

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It is time we all challenged the Chinese regime. Enough is enough.  -  Nigel Farage  (https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1240377766173958149) 

Newsweek:
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Nigel Farage: The Virus is Yet Another Reason to Rethink the West's Relationship With China | Opinion
Nigel Farage       On 3/18/20

The West appears to be facing its worst crisis since 1939 because of a new global pandemic. Thousands of people have died. More, we are told, will die. And the economic shock to the system has been profound. Yet one country, China, seems to be above criticism. As China begins to expel American journalists, I am left wondering: who are the villains of this piece?

I have to confess that last week I found myself feeling more depressed than I had been in my adult life by the words of the chief scientific officer Sir Patrick Vallance. He said that 60 per cent of the U.K. population needed to get COVID-19 in order for our nation to build herd immunity, yet Boris Johnson had said nothing about this. I worked out pretty quickly that this tactic would trigger in the region of 400,000 deaths. A few days later it transpired that the Imperial College COVID-19 response team had done some work for the government and estimated that about 260,000 people would die if this disease was allowed to spread.

Since then, I am pleased to say that government policy has changed. Britain is acting in line with many other countries in attempting to suppress the virus. Downing Street has recognised that a rapid spread of COVID-19 would overwhelm the NHS. The penny has dropped. We must hold our nerve and hope for the best.

 Newsweek  (https://www.newsweek.com/nigel-farage-china-coronavirus-west-rethink-1493085)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 19, 2020, 12:23:04 am
Italy Death Apocalypse Continues With 475 Dead On Tuesday: Crematoriums Run 24/24, Coffins Fill Up Hospital Morgues, Cemetery Morgue and Cemetery Church, Funerals Without Family Members

By Strange Sounds -Mar 18, 2020

https://strangesounds.org/2020/03/italy-coronavirus-death-coffins-church-bergamo-475-day.html (https://strangesounds.org/2020/03/italy-coronavirus-death-coffins-church-bergamo-475-day.html)

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After 368 dead on Sunday and 349 dead on Monday, now 475 have died from Covid-19 Tuesday.

The Coronavirus deaths are so high in Italy that officials don’t know how to deal with coffins, some places have a waiting list for burials and funerals are happening with no family members there.

After 368 dead on Sunday and 349 dead on Monday, now 475 have died from Covid-19 Tuesday.

By death toll alone, the coronavirus has landed in the northern province of Bergamo with the force of a historic disaster.

In the part of Italy hit hardest by the coronavirus, the crematorium has started operating 24 hours a day.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 01:03:15 am
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Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up
Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian

Axios has compiled a timeline of the earliest weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in China, highlighting when the cover-up started and ended — and showing how, during that time, the virus already started spreading around the world, including to the United States.

Why it matters: A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.

This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Read more at: https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100 (https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 02:46:58 am
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
Which Dictator killed the most people? 哪个独裁者杀人最多?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbohp8WAAE65KY?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1240434436761665537

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NTD News
@news_ntd

"We are going to defeat the invisible enemy. I think we are going to do it even faster than we thought."

President @realDonaldTrump
 is invoking the Defense Production Act to expand the supply of resources available to deal with the #CCPvirus outbreak.

https://twitter.com/news_ntd/status/1240385339740561408
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 02:52:55 am
Canada:

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First Nations welcome $305 million COVID-19 fund, wait for details
Social Sharing
Indigenous Services prepared to use paramedics to compensate for nursing shortage in remote First Nations
Jorge Barrera · CBC News · Posted: Mar 18, 2020

The Trudeau government announced today it's spending $305 million to help Indigenous communities deal with the COVID-19 pandemic, but details of how the funds will be distributed and spent will depend on events in the coming days, weeks and months.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau told a press conference that the funds will be in place to respond to any situation faced by Indigenous communities as the pandemic unfolds across the country.

"We need to recognize that we don't know all the situations so far," said Morneau.

More at:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/first-nations-covid-funds-coronavirus-1.5502062 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/first-nations-covid-funds-coronavirus-1.5502062)

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Russia's coronavirus count under scrutiny as Putin government denies hiding cases
President tries to assure Russians that coronavirus situation is 'under control'
Chris Brown · CBC News

As country after country in Europe reported dramatic growth in COVID-19 cases and moved to systematically shut down communities and economies, Russia had been a striking outlier — until now.

As late as Sunday, professional soccer games were still being played in front of thousands of people. Orthodox parishioners were lining up to kiss church icons without wiping them down. And on Russian state television, pundits were full of their usual effusive praise for how the administration of President Vladimir Putin has been handling the outbreak.

...

Within 48 hours, however, Russians suddenly seem less confident. 

More: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-coronavirus-government-1.5500248 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-coronavirus-government-1.5500248)

You can't trust what these countries say, heck, we know people are not trusting our own government but the figures are probably right... not to say, there are many cases we do not know of but that's a given... things have really only just begun.


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Christian Mitchell
@MitchellCMM
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Mar 16
Not entire shutdown yet in the skies of Europe. This is the amount of planes still flying right now #coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETOe9QDWAAEPFDF?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/MitchellCMM/status/1239509102470070273 (https://twitter.com/MitchellCMM/status/1239509102470070273)
Title: Re: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 19, 2020, 03:07:13 am
I don't think God has anything to do with it.  Maybe China.  I admit the thought had crossed my mind.  Not God, though.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 03:14:04 am
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The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
Loud protests rang out across Brazilian cities on Wednesday over the far-right president's handling of the mounting #coronavirus crisis, with cries of "Get out #Bolsonaro" heard in Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and #Brasilia.

https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1240425106561695749 (https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1240425106561695749)

Brazil has had cases and deaths, I'm not sure if they are that high yet... could be opportunists at work here, in part....

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Coronavirus batters Brazilian retail, travel and factories
Gabriela Mello, Gabriel Stargardter

SAO PAULO/RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - The new coronavirus outbreak hammered Brazilian retail, transport and manufacturing on Wednesday, and the government stopped accepting Venezuelan refugees at the border.

https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN21527A (https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN21527A)

Dilapidated hospitals, conceivably, Venezuela could run into big problems though, they are taking some steps.

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IMF rejects crisis-hit Venezuela's request for $5 bn virus aid
AFP•March 18, 2020

Caracas (AFP) - The International Monetary Fund on Tuesday rejected economically devastated Venezuela's request for a $5 billion loan to help it cope with the onslaught of coronavirus on the country that an aid agency warned is as prepared as war-torn Syria.

President Nicolas Maduro made the request earlier Tuesday but, in a statement hours later, the Washington-based institution indirectly cited a dispute over Maduro's leadership in denying his petition.

In a letter to IMF chief Kristalina Georgieva, Maduro said a $5 billion loan from the IMF's Rapid Financing Instrument (RFI) "will contribute significantly to strengthening our detection and response systems."

More:  https://news.yahoo.com/imf-rejects-crisis-hit-venezuelas-request-5-bn-053500803.html (https://news.yahoo.com/imf-rejects-crisis-hit-venezuelas-request-5-bn-053500803.html)

Bloomberg:
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IMF Won’t Lend to Venezuela Because Maduro Lacks Recognition
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/imf-wont-lend-to-venezuela-because-maduro-lacks-recognition/ar-BB11kmkW (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/imf-wont-lend-to-venezuela-because-maduro-lacks-recognition/ar-BB11kmkW)

UK:

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Elderly could be quarantined for four months in 'wartime-style' mobilisation to combat coronavirus, writes Robert Peston

People over 70 will be instructed by the government to stay in strict isolation at home or in care homes for four months, writes Robert Peston. Credit: PA

People over 70 will be instructed by the government to stay in strict isolation at home or in care homes for four months, under a "wartime-style" mobilisation effort by the government likely to be enforced within the next 20 days.

It is part of a series of measures being prepared by the prime minister, health secretary, chief medical officer and chief scientific adviser to prevent the health service from "falling over" and to save lives as Covid-19 becomes an epidemic in the UK.

More at: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 06:46:36 am
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99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
By Tommaso Ebhardt, Chiara Remondini, and Marco Bertacche

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.

Read more at:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says)

Maybe if there are not resources available, this changes the equation but otherwise,  it doesn't change the picture for me.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 19, 2020, 09:36:47 am
From that article
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More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.
Additionally, they note the average age of those who dies was 79,5.

Noting those factors, how much of the population is at serious risk?

Are economy destroying measures warranted? (Because that is what is happening to entire sectors of industry).

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According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.

Quotes from https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says)
 

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 10:27:41 am
"The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions."

So, there it is, people under 50.

Also, a lot of people from different age groups are using resources, they go into ICU,  a lot need defibrillators, respirators and I'm sure, hospital beds, nurses and so on. I'm not sure one can say, you need this serious attention and we can allow this to grow in the general population.

Even getting tests, if one thinks they have it, is a drag on resources.

There might be some other effects too from the disease, sterilization (heard that mentioned just once)? Lungs? So, I think this is beyond the mortality rate.

Maybe after these 15 days, we will have a better idea.

As said, maybe in 15 days, we can start to move towards South Korea's effective approach which is NOT, staying in the house, etc. but monitoring oneself and so on, people go back to work.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 11:06:44 am
Could the unabated spread of the disease include really large portions of the population?

Could 75% of the population get it? And though, they may not die for it,  death is probably NOT the only gauge here,


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‘We Don’t Have Enough Intensive Care Beds’: Coronavirus Will Test Russia’s Creaking Healthcare System
Doctors are worried that the coronavirus pandemic will expose equipment shortages and old facilities.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/19/we-dont-have-enough-intensive-care-beds-coronavirus-will-test-russias-creaking-healthcare-system-a69675 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/19/we-dont-have-enough-intensive-care-beds-coronavirus-will-test-russias-creaking-healthcare-system-a69675)

Unabated, can you have the need in the USA for 30 million hospital beds and for assisting nurses? For hospital beds for 40% of the population and defibs, respirators and so on? Doctors?  We have to reason it out.

I saw a picture too, of the special hospital the Russians are building to combat the virus, snow covered plain and yes, the building has already begun.

So, I think the total affect on society is being weighed, not just that it's striking some ol' geezers in rest homes.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 11:29:19 am
You know, if we just had 36 deaths days ago, to hitting 100 was it? Just yesterday to 140 dead, that shows how this thing is growing....

USA:
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140 dead in US, Italy coronavirus fatalities continue to soar
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-us-hospital-association-warns-ventilator/story?id=69658566 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-us-hospital-association-warns-ventilator/story?id=69658566)
Right? We just hit the hunnerd mark to now be at 140...

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N.Korea 'Suffers Coronavirus Epidemic in Pyongyang, Sinuiju'

english.chosun.com
March 19, 2020 13:03
Despite sealing its borders and halting all trade with China, major cities in North Korea have been hit by the coronavirus epidemic, according to witness accounts.

Christian group Voice of the Martyrs Korea that proselytizes in North Korea said an underground North Korean church member told it that the virus has spread widely in Pyongyang and the border town of Sinuiju, North Pyongan Province. "The situation is so desperate that it is just a matter of dying from starvation or infection," the member wrote.

North Korea claims it has not a single confirmed case of coronavirus, but experts believe that the epidemic has spread significantly there.

More:   https://myemail.constantcontact.com/N-Korea--Suffers-Coronavirus-Epidemic-in-Pyongyang--Sinuiju-.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=sEuHr6C3guo (https://myemail.constantcontact.com/N-Korea--Suffers-Coronavirus-Epidemic-in-Pyongyang--Sinuiju-.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=sEuHr6C3guo)

Look at China's cases dubiously, I swear earlier, I was reading that the "no new cases" statement centered on Hubei province and not China as a whole...that's why really, one needs to record this when they see it, now I can not quite find that, so don't put a lot of stock in it.
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James Woods
@RealJamesWoods

“China knew that this virus was not only epidemic but infectious and could be deadly. They didn’t tell anybody. In fact, they did something far worse -- they accused us of causing it and then they threatened to cut off medical needs and pharmaceuticals.”

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1240446726642647041 (https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1240446726642647041)

Links to recent article on Victor Davis Hanson.   https://www.foxnews.com/media/victor-davis-hanson-china-handling-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/victor-davis-hanson-china-handling-coronavirus)

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Fox News Flash
Published 17 hours ago
Victor Davis Hanson says China's handling of coronavirus 'ruined their international brand'


Hoover Institution Fellow Victor Davis Hanson said on Wednesday that China’s handling of the coronavirus “ruined their international brand,” having potential serious repercussions on its economy as foreign companies may exit.

“[China] knew that that virus was not only epidemic but infectious and could be deadly to older people. They didn’t tell anybody. They didn’t tell us. In fact, they did something far worse -- they accused us of causing it and then they threatened to cut off supplies of medical needs and pharmaceuticals,” Hanson told “The Brian Kilmeade Show,” noting the thousands of Chinese tourists coming into the U.S.

Hanson said that China’s actions will lead to “key industries” moving out of the country.

More:  https://www.foxnews.com/media/victor-davis-hanson-china-handling-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/victor-davis-hanson-china-handling-coronavirus)



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 19, 2020, 11:37:27 am
We’ll get through this, @TomSea

As someone posted on another thread, if our parents or grandparents could get through WWII , we can get through this

My great grandparents got through WWI and the Spanish Flu, so we got this. (And they got through polio which of course hit FDR)

And FDR did say “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”

Now whether you’re a fan or not of FDR, you have to admit, it’s a perfect quote.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 19, 2020, 01:26:52 pm
@TomSea
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Look at China's cases dubiously, I swear earlier, I was reading that the "no new cases" statement centered on Hubei province and not China as a whole...that's why really, one needs to record this when they see it, now I can not quite find that, so don't put a lot of stock in it.
The new cases in China are, right now, all people who came in from abroad and were caught at the ports.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 02:20:37 pm
@TomSea  The new cases in China are, right now, all people who came in from abroad and were caught at the ports.

Right, this is what the Chinese say.  @jmyrlefuller

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China reports no new local coronavirus transmissions for first time
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-idUSKBN216085 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-idUSKBN216085)

Jennifer Zeng:

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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
·
Mar 14
Workers putting up a sign saying: "  Outbound #Hubei Highway has been closed. No traffic allowed. March 12, 2020".
Locked down again? Apparently. No new cases!

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1238876456224272384 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1238876456224272384)

Wuhan is in Hubei province. Just saying.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 02:29:39 pm
Anyone who accuses others of trying to scare others with no back up, is bullying others, makes personal attacks, uses innuendo to do so or directly,  is making ad homs,  WILL have those posts removed.    Argue points if one has to,  do not insult others.  The whole set of posts above was removed.   Do so again, and this message WILL be sent directly to you so consider this as a friendly reminder. 

Other people have a right to free speech too without threat of above.
Title: Prince Albert of Monaco Tests Positive for Coronavirus, First Head of State to Do So
Post by: Gefn on March 19, 2020, 03:23:50 pm
Monaco’s Prince Albert II has tested positive for coronavirus.

The 62-year-old prince was tested on Monday morning, according to palace sources, and results were confirmed on Wednesday.

The father of 5-year-old twins Prince Jacques and Princess Gabriella’s state of health is not a source of concern, according to a statement from the palace.

Prince Albert, who has been very visibly leading the country’s task force efforts, is being closely followed by his attending physician and specialists from the Princess Grace Hospital Center.

He continues to work from his private apartments in the palace and remains in permanent contact with his cabinet

https://people.com/royals/prince-albert-of-monaco-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-first-head-of-state-to-do-so/
Title: Re: Prince Albert of Monaco Tests Positive for Coronavirus, First Head of State to Do So
Post by: roamer_1 on March 19, 2020, 03:27:14 pm
Better put Prince Albert back in the can.  :silly:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 03:43:24 pm
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Three People Have Coronavirus at U.S. Mission in Geneva: Official

GENEVA (Reuters) - Three people employed by the U.S. diplomatic mission in Geneva have contracted coronavirus, but are in "good condition", a spokesperson told Reuters on Thursday, declining to give specifics.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Tuesday that a handful of State Department employees across the globe had tested positive for the novel coronavirus, but gave no details on where they were based or whether they had returned to the United States.

A spokesperson at the U.S. mission in Geneva, contacted by Reuters, said: "We can confirm we presently have three confirmed cases of COVID-19 at the U.S. Mission in Geneva.

Read more at:  https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-19/three-people-have-coronavirus-at-us-mission-in-geneva-official (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-19/three-people-have-coronavirus-at-us-mission-in-geneva-official)

It's already been stated but doesn't hurt to say again, Taiwan, 100 confirmed cases, 1 death.  A stellar statistic really. See article, excerpt:

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Taiwan’s Swift Response to Virus Threat Allowed It to Contain Outbreak
By Frank Fang
March 18, 2020 Updated: March 18, 2020

...

On Jan. 5, Taiwan’s CDC urged people who traveled to Wuhan in the past 14 days to be tested at hospitals if they exhibited a fever or respiratory symptoms.

Fifteen days later, the CDC activated the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) and named Taiwan’s minister of health and welfare as its commander, to coordinate efforts among different government ministries to combat the virus.

On Jan. 25, Taiwan suspended all group tours to China and on Feb. 6 the island banned entry to all mainland Chinese visitors.

Read more at:  https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwans-swift-response-to-virus-threat-allowed-it-to-contain-outbreak_3276691.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwans-swift-response-to-virus-threat-allowed-it-to-contain-outbreak_3276691.html)

Epoch Times, they are calling it the CCP Virus, see article, I have no objections to that. One article says China started this tiff by bringing up some malarkey that Americans took the virus into China.

An interesting note too the article too, is that World Health Organization, WHO, does not even recognize Taiwan because of China.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on March 19, 2020, 03:58:34 pm
You know, we didn’t announce every new case of the flu—which killed 20,000 last year. Why are we doing it now with this virus? I think I know, and I think I’m right.

Corona should be renamed the election-year virus. Featuring China, approved by democrats and promoted by the press. Foreign election interference? Chinese collusion? Only the shadow knows. /parody
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 19, 2020, 04:01:53 pm
We’ll get through this, @TomSea

As someone posted on another thread, if our parents or grandparents could get through WWII , we can get through this

My great grandparents got through WWI and the Spanish Flu, so we got this. (And they got through polio which of course hit FDR)

And FDR did say “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”

Now whether you’re a fan or not of FDR, you have to admit, it’s a perfect quote.
Especially right now. I understand fear if someone has the medical conditions cited in 99% of Italy's deaths: High Blood Pressure, Diabetes, or a coronary condition. As stated above, even the younger people who died had some serious underlying medical condition.

As a rule, if you are young and in good health, generally, it is unlikely this will do more than make you sick, and you may not need hospitalization at all.  Currently seven cases confirmed in ND, 37 on the watch list, 355 tested negative. None are in hospital (all recovering at home, self-imposed isolation), and no deaths.
Title: Re: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 19, 2020, 05:58:02 pm
People who claim to speak for God, directly, should first demonstrate their water-walking skills.
Title: Re: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: mountaineer on March 19, 2020, 06:06:40 pm
With all due respect, Oppah, STFU.
Title: Dozens of army trucks carry coronavirus corpses to be cremated as morgues fill up
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2020, 06:25:06 pm
Dozens of army trucks carry coronavirus corpses to be cremated as morgues fill up

The trucks were pictured driving through the city of Bergamo in the country’s Lombardy region, one of the worst-hit by the virus

ByTom TowersNews Reporter

    07:44, 19 MAR 2020Updated09:28, 19 MAR 2020

 Dozens of military vehicles have been pictured carrying coronavirus victims across Italy – with morgues too full to hold corpses.

The trucks were pictured driving through the city of Bergamo in the country’s Lombardy region, one of the worst-hit by the virus.

The city has recorded at least 93 coronavirus-related deaths as cases skyrocket.

Around 70 coffins were placed on 30 trucks and will be transported to creamatoriums in a dozen locations across Italy, foreign media reports.

Jean Pierre Ramponi, the medical director of the Chiari hospital in Brescia – also in Lombardy – said: “We prepared ourselves psychologically by seeing the images of China, but it was unthinkable to imagine such devastation.

(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article21717771.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_bergamo.jpg)

more
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dozens-army-trucks-carry-coronavirus-21717762 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/dozens-army-trucks-carry-coronavirus-21717762)
Title: Re: Dozens of army trucks carry coronavirus corpses to be cremated as morgues fill up
Post by: Sighlass on March 19, 2020, 06:36:15 pm
It is hard at times to remember these are loved ones of people we just don't know. Prayers for those affected.
Title: Re: Dozens of army trucks carry coronavirus corpses to be cremated as morgues fill up
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 19, 2020, 06:48:19 pm
It is hard at times to remember these are loved ones of people we just don't know. Prayers for those affected.
I agree. Italy. (Not American army trucks).
Title: Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2020, 07:35:59 pm
Mar 18, 2020 - World
Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up
Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian

Axios has compiled a timeline of the earliest weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in China, highlighting when the cover-up started and ended — and showing how, during that time, the virus already started spreading around the world, including to the United States.

Why it matters: A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.

This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

    Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
    Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
    Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.

more
https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html (https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 08:13:49 pm
In the meantime,

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PM Netanyahu: The people of Israel are now ordered to stay in their homes – Coronavirus tally up to 573
by BtNews · March 19, 2020

BREAKING: PM Netanyahu addressed the nation to update Israelis on the government’s latest guidelines for fighting the coronavirus, saying that it’s mandatory to stay home for the next week, with the exception of buying food, basic essentials, medicine and medical procedures.

Those whose work is defined by the government as “essential” will still be allowed to go to work, carrying an identification card in the case at all times.

The new partial nationwide closures will now be enforced by the police.

“The people of Israel are now ordered to stay in their homes. This is not a suggestion. This is not a recommendation. It is now a command.”The new restrictions will be enforced by the police. It will be put in place for 7 days,” PM Netanyahu said.

Read more at: https://btnews.online/pm-netanyahu-the-people-of-israel-are-now-ordered-to-stay-in-their-homes-coronavirus-tally-up-to-573/ (https://btnews.online/pm-netanyahu-the-people-of-israel-are-now-ordered-to-stay-in-their-homes-coronavirus-tally-up-to-573/)

We have a "doubters" thread, there really isn't much of a reason to time and again, post the same information.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.new.html#new)

These matters have been discussed fairly in dept there and in other parts of the forum,  that's fine if one wishes to doubt. Nothing wrong with that, nor is it wrong to say, this has already been addressed.

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Coronavirus is deadlier than flu with seniors at highest risk
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200219/Coronavirus-is-deadlier-than-flu-with-seniors-at-highest-risk.aspx (https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200219/Coronavirus-is-deadlier-than-flu-with-seniors-at-highest-risk.aspx)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 19, 2020, 08:33:05 pm
https://twitter.com/i/events/1219057585707315201

Coronavirus: Italy's death toll overtakes China

Coronavirus: Italy's death toll overtakes China
The total number of global cases has surpassed 220,000, including nearly 9,000 fatalities. Over 84,000 patients are reported to have recovered. Get the latest updates from around the world:

 More than 10,000 cases reported in the US
 Italy extends national lockdown, overtakes China in death toll
 Spain sees a new daily record with 209 deaths
 All schools and universities close in Delhi
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: EdinVA on March 19, 2020, 08:36:16 pm
https://twitter.com/i/events/1219057585707315201 (https://twitter.com/i/events/1219057585707315201)

Coronavirus: Italy's death toll overtakes China

Coronavirus: Italy's death toll overtakes China
The total number of global cases has surpassed 220,000, including nearly 9,000 fatalities. Over 84,000 patients are reported to have recovered. Get the latest updates from around the world:

 More than 10,000 cases reported in the US
 Italy extends national lockdown, overtakes China in death toll
 Spain sees a new daily record with 209 deaths
 All schools and universities close in Delhi
Please don't take this as a slam on anyone......
Looking at these numbers and remembering some of the conversations recently on Government run healthcare... makes me glad we never went down that path.
Title: Re: Coronavirus is punishment for sanctions, US must 'also feel the pain,' Zimbabwe official says
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 19, 2020, 08:36:47 pm
Could Zimbabwe hate our President more?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 08:39:10 pm
https://twitter.com/i/events/1219057585707315201

Coronavirus: Italy's death toll overtakes China

Coronavirus: Italy's death toll overtakes China
The total number of global cases has surpassed 220,000, including nearly 9,000 fatalities. Over 84,000 patients are reported to have recovered. Get the latest updates from around the world:

 More than 10,000 cases reported in the US
 Italy extends national lockdown, overtakes China in death toll
 Spain sees a new daily record with 209 deaths
 All schools and universities close in Delhi

And they are saying 17 of the dead in Italy are under 50 and with medical conditions just like 99% of those over 50 at that. That is posted in the past 1 or 2 pages, if I am accurate.

Youth, though safer, are seeing some in the ICU, are needing medicines, defibrillators, respirators and so on, nurses, doctors, oh and bed.

Deciding if a high risk elderly patient should be attended to before a younger patient certainly indicates, a number of youth are at risk too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 19, 2020, 08:42:51 pm
Please don't take this as a slam on anyone......
Looking at these numbers and remembering some of the conversations recently on Government run healthcare... makes me glad we never went down that path.

Ain't nobody who should take offense at you expressing your opinion @EdinVA .  I hope to agree with you in the future, but I'm gonna wait to take a victory lap around this pandemic.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 19, 2020, 08:46:30 pm
Alone, Rome's seniors live in lockdown silence

Rome (AFP) - Leaning out his window, the dashing octogenarian looks down on the little street in the ancient heart of Rome.

It looks desperately empty, again, and Roberto Fichera could easily not see another human being today -- a growing problem in Europe's oldest country.

"I am a homebody and I like to take care of myself," says Fichera, who might come across the odd stranger at the pharmacy, should he decide to venture out and pick up his pills.

While Italy is a country of seniors -- the average age last year was 45.4, higher than anywhere else in Europe -- very few of them live in retirement homes.

https://news.yahoo.com/alone-romes-seniors-live-lockdown-silence-130546784.html

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 19, 2020, 08:47:20 pm
Alone, Rome's seniors live in lockdown silence

Rome (AFP) - Leaning out his window, the dashing octogenarian looks down on the little street in the ancient heart of Rome.

It looks desperately empty, again, and Roberto Fichera could easily not see another human being today -- a growing problem in Europe's oldest country.

"I am a homebody and I like to take care of myself," says Fichera, who might come across the odd stranger at the pharmacy, should he decide to venture out and pick up his pills.

While Italy is a country of seniors -- the average age last year was 45.4, higher than anywhere else in Europe -- very few of them live in retirement homes.

https://news.yahoo.com/alone-romes-seniors-live-lockdown-silence-130546784.html

 888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 19, 2020, 08:51:30 pm
And they are saying 17 of the dead in Italy are under 50 and with medical conditions just like 99% of those over 50 at that. That is posted in the past 1 or 2 pages, if I am accurate.

Youth, though safer, are seeing some in the ICU, are needing medicines, defibrillators, respirators and so on, nurses, doctors, oh and bed.

Deciding if a high risk elderly patient should be attended to before a younger patient certainly indicates, a number of youth are at risk too.

That's not good @TomSea .  That's not good at all.  You might even say it's bad.  Thanx for the update.  There is so much information to go through I'm skimming sections.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 19, 2020, 08:53:39 pm
Please don't take this as a slam on anyone......
Looking at these numbers and remembering some of the conversations recently on Government run healthcare... makes me glad we never went down that path.

I'd think we also have to remember, this happened in a fairly brief amount of time. A month's time or so.

Per people saying this, can they point out how it is the fault of national health vs. having a private practitioner?  We just shouldn't sugar coat it, there may be other factors involved and I know I'm glad we didn't go to National Health.

Newt:
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The hardest-hit region around Milan has had to improvise as its health system has been deeply stressed by the sheer number of patients. In Milan and Brescia, field hospitals have been set up in the fairgrounds as the local hospitals have been drowned in patients.

More: https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270 (https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270)

I'm not sure there is a clear case, a private sector, going to one's doctor would have saved the day.

There is surely, a lot of fault and blame to go around. I think again, some of this has been covered.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2020, 11:39:05 pm
Italian Government Study: 99% of their Coronavirus Fatalities Were Already Sick; Half Diagnosed with 3 or More Diseases
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/italian-government-study-99-their-coronavirus-fatalities-were-already-sick-half-dee?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%3A%20Mainstream%20Media%20Confirmation%3A%2099%25%20of%20the%20Italian%20Coronavirus%20Fatalities%20Were% (https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/italian-government-study-99-their-coronavirus-fatalities-were-already-sick-half-dee?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%3A%20Mainstream%20Media%20Confirmation%3A%2099%25%20of%20the%20Italian%20Coronavirus%20Fatalities%20Were%)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 19, 2020, 11:45:24 pm
Italian Government Study: 99% of their Coronavirus Fatalities Were Already Sick; Half Diagnosed with 3 or More Diseases
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/italian-government-study-99-their-coronavirus-fatalities-were-already-sick-half-dee?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%3A%20Mainstream%20Media%20Confirmation%3A%2099%25%20of%20the%20Italian%20Coronavirus%20Fatalities%20Were% (https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/italian-government-study-99-their-coronavirus-fatalities-were-already-sick-half-dee?utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%3A%20Mainstream%20Media%20Confirmation%3A%2099%25%20of%20the%20Italian%20Coronavirus%20Fatalities%20Were%)

A lot of people have health "issues". I certainly do...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 01:00:03 am
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
·
1h
A rare case in #SouthKorea. 17 y/o boy tested negative for #CCPVirus #COVID19 7 times (out of 8 tests) died 6 days after showing symptoms. He could be the first minor who died of #coronavirus in the country.
韩国罕见病例:8次检查7次阴性 男孩发病6天后去世

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd)

BTW,   she's connected to Epoch Times/NTD TV if anyone complains about this.  (https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-jennifer-zeng)  The Epoch Times has a generally good name with conservatives, Larry Elder, Brian Cates and others writing for them.

Now, this is dramatic:
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
 Â· 2h
Announcement!
The only and ultimate cure for #CCPVirus is to see through #CCP's evil nature and oppose its evil doings. Its ultimate goal/mission is to destroy humanity. We must stop it.

#COVID2019 #Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic #Coronavirustruth

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd)
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
 Â· 2h
Now you need to scan your phone to get on and off a bus in #CCP ruled #China, so they know exactly when & where you go & on which buses. They say it's good for containing #CoronavirusOutbreak. Who knows?
#CCPVirus #COVID2019 #Coronavirus #CoronavirusPandemic #coronaviruschina

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd)
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China in Focus - NTD
@ChinaInFocusNTD
·
12h
“Many people are actually asymptomatic and they are not tested. So these people are invisible right now. When the time comes, they might cause a second wave of outbreak.”

Experts warn that China could see a 2nd outbreak of the #CCPvirus, commonly known as the novel #coronavirus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 20, 2020, 01:38:56 am
And they are saying 17 of the dead in Italy are under 50 and with medical conditions just like 99% of those over 50 at that. That is posted in the past 1 or 2 pages, if I am accurate.

Youth, though safer, are seeing some in the ICU, are needing medicines, defibrillators, respirators and so on, nurses, doctors, oh and bed.

Deciding if a high risk elderly patient should be attended to before a younger patient certainly indicates, a number of youth are at risk too.
The essence of triage is to distribute available resources so the maximum number survive.
Unfortunately, that means deciding who is most likely to make it.
In that instance an older patient with a less advanced case may take precedence over a younger one on death's door, rathr than let the older person's case advance and risk losing both..
There are no hard and fast rules, which makes it something very stressful, fraught with second thoughts and lifelong 'what ifs..'.
Yes, there are younger patients, some serious, but almost all have underlying health conditions.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 02:06:04 am
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Coronavirus: Why is India testing so little?
Soutik Biswas India correspondent

"We have a simple message to all countries - test, test, test," World Health Organisation (WHO) head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva earlier this week.

He was alluding to the coronavirus outbreak, which has killed more than 8,600 people and infected more than 207,000 in at least 159 countries.

"All countries should be able to test all suspected cases, they cannot fight this pandemic blindfolded," he said.

Read more at:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51922204?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51922204?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 20, 2020, 02:15:36 am
Well on the flip side if many people are asymptomatic and stay that way then a large part of the population has been infected and developed immunity to it so there should be no second wave. Unless it mutates.

The Spanish flu came in three waves apparently with the 2nd wave being most deadly. They speculate that it mutated into something more deadly and then into some less deadly.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 02:30:20 am
WUHAN:
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
·
38m
Big fat lie (again)! While #CCP claims #Wuhan is having 0 new #CCPVirus #COVID2019 cases, this one community alone has 5 confirmed cases as of 5:00 pm, Mar 18. #CoronavirusOutbreak Bulletin of Wangdian Community, Jiufeng Street at Wuhan East Lake High-tech Development Zone

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EThDDh-XYAIvfII?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1240815994651754497

See, there appears to be counter-info to some of the news reports.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 20, 2020, 02:33:55 am
    Coronavirus: Why is India testing so little?
    Soutik Biswas India correspondent

    "We have a simple message to all countries - test, test, test," World Health Organisation (WHO) head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva earlier this week.

    He was alluding to the coronavirus outbreak, which has killed more than 8,600 people and infected more than 207,000 in at least 159 countries.

    "All countries should be able to test all suspected cases, they cannot fight this pandemic blindfolded," he said.

    Read more at:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51922204?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51922204?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-correspondent)


For a nation with over 1 billion people, there are only 173 confirmed cases and 4 deaths.  This should be good news.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 20, 2020, 02:39:33 am

For a nation with over 1 billion people, there are only 173 confirmed cases and 4 deaths.  This should be good news.

Someone posted a stat showing only 60+ critical cases out of the 13k+ in all of the US. This should be cause for optimism too.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 20, 2020, 03:00:35 am
Someone posted a stat showing only 60+ critical cases out of the 13k+ in all of the US. This should be cause for optimism too.

Except for the fact that the country is shutting down as if people were dropping dead in the streets.  Which could put us smack dab in the middle of an even 'greater' depression than the first one.  What's really going on here?
Title: The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 20, 2020, 03:05:56 am
The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
By Gladys McCormick, opinion contributor — 03/19/20 08:45 PM EDT
438
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill


The Mexican government has been insufficient in its response to the coronavirus. With poorly communicated and inconsistent messaging that offers no clear guidelines, their federal government’s inaction has given rise to widespread rumors that are beginning to stoke panic and insecurity.

Given that Mexico can look to the examples of what not to do in the early onset of this crisis — namely China in January, Italy in February and to a certain extent the United States in the first days of March — one would think political leaders there would be implementing different strategies. So far, 118 cases have been reported in Mexico.

We have not heard strong messaging from the Mexican government to “flatten the curve” in an effort to reduce rates of infection, or to practice self-isolation to mitigate transmission. President Andres Manuel López Obrador is adamant about not closing Mexico’s borders or exercising caution at airports. Perhaps his logic stems out of concerns about imposing barriers on trade. However, he has not said as much, and it is further eroding public confidence in his government’s lacking response.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/488538-the-mexican-governments-response-to-covid-19-is-insufficient
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 20, 2020, 03:07:00 am
Except for the fact that the country is shutting down as if people were dropping dead in the streets.  Which could put us smack dab in the middle of an even 'greater' depression than the first one.  What's really going on here?

I’m sure the shut down will help stem the spread of this virus but there are so many other ways this is so dangerous.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: XenaLee on March 20, 2020, 03:13:09 am
I’m sure the shut down will help stem the spread of this virus but there are so many other ways this is so dangerous.

And the irreparable harm that it will do to the economy will end up costing how many 'more' lives.   Considering the fatality rate of this virus, it is exceedingly reckless to just shut down the whole country.... and then dole out free money as a quick fix.   Ain't gonna work.  At least, not to the good.
Title: Re: The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
Post by: mortarman on March 20, 2020, 04:27:37 am
An' this is s'pose to be s'prising? Kinda what we all coulda predicted.

 :pop41:
Title: Re: The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
Post by: Chosen Daughter on March 20, 2020, 05:06:17 am
An' this is s'pose to be s'prising? Kinda what we all coulda predicted.

 :pop41:

Not surprising.  But clearly is a problem on the border.  Because it still isn't secure.  Perhaps its time military to fully guard the entire border. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 20, 2020, 01:24:26 pm
And the irreparable harm that it will do to the economy will end up costing how many 'more' lives.   Considering the fatality rate of this virus, it is exceedingly reckless to just shut down the whole country.... and then dole out free money as a quick fix.   Ain't gonna work.  At least, not to the good.
Or not.

Keep in mind, this is a temporary, artificial suppression of the economy. Usually when those artificial suppressions are lifted, the economy roars back to normal, if not better than before. See: the 1940s.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 20, 2020, 02:55:50 pm
And the irreparable harm that it will do to the economy will end up costing how many 'more' lives.   Considering the fatality rate of this virus, it is exceedingly reckless to just shut down the whole country.... and then dole out free money as a quick fix.

Hey, whatever it takes to get Trump out of the white house.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 03:13:13 pm
Trump has called for Americans to do all to halt the spread of the disease and stay home as much as possible for 15 days. Funny how folks miss this part.

All the rest, has already been debunked numerous times and is found amply in this forum.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 20, 2020, 03:29:36 pm
Hey, whatever it takes to get Trump out of the white house.
I don't know how to read that @Hoodat Please elaborate because I want to understand you, and because I think you make intelligent and solid arguments.  Who is trying get Trump out of the white house, and what are they doing besides the 15 day guidelines that the President has recommended, and repeated, and reinforced?

I still don't like President Trump, and I still have no intention of voting for him in Nov despite being in approval with his actions recently...although if my family and friends remain healthy he's got a better shot at my vote.  I want the President to succeed.
Title: Re: The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 20, 2020, 04:25:44 pm
It may be that what has, so far, saved Mexico from Italy's fate is that Mexican industries have less work done in China. But with open air transportation and Mexico's healthcare system, I think they are very vulnerable.
Title: Re: Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 20, 2020, 04:56:19 pm
IMO, based on the very limited and incomplete information we have, these events should have happened 2-4 weeks earlier:

China informed WHO of the outbreak in Wuhan of unknown cause: December 31, 2019, https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/ (https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/)

Covid-19 identified to WHO: January 11 and 12, 2020, https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/ (https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/)

Wuhan and other cities in Hubei Province shut down travel: January 23, 2020, https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html)

And this never should have been pronounced:

China/WHO claims no evidence of  human to human transmission of corona virus: January 14, 2020, https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152 (https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152)
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World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
Jan 14
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.

The consequences - in China and the world - of those delays and that wrong have been (and continue to be) horrific. And the World Health Organization has blood on its hands as well, IMO.
Title: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: mystery-ak on March 20, 2020, 05:12:20 pm
Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored


Andrew Kerr
Investigative Reporter
March 20, 2020 12:44 PM ET


Taiwan is blaming the World Health Organization’s relationship with China for its failure to act on early warnings of human-to-human transmission of coronavirus.

Taiwanese health officials alerted WHO of the infectivity of coronavirus in late December 2019, but the organization failed to report the claims to other countries, according to a Financial Times report.

Weeks after receiving Taiwan’s warning, on Jan. 14, WHO repeated China’s claim that coronavirus was not contagious among humans.

Taiwan reported its concerns to a WHO framework called the International Health Regulations on Dec. 31, 2019. The IHR framework is intended to be an exchange of epidemic data between 196 countries.

“While the IHR’s internal website provides a platform for all countries to share information on the epidemic and their response, none of the information shared by our country’s [Centers for Disease Control] is being put up there,” Taiwanese Vice President Chen Chien-Jen told the Financial Times.

“The WHO could not obtain first-hand information to study and judge whether there was human-to-human transmission of COVID-10. This led it to announce human-to-human transmission with a delay, and an opportunity to raise the alert level both in China and the wider world was lost,” Chen added.

WHO declined to comment on Taiwan’s accusation, telling the Financial Times it holds “frank and open discussions on sometimes sensitive issues” with countries and in order to maintain trust it needs to “respect the confidentiality of such communications.”

more
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/20/who-taiwan-coronavirus-warning/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 05:26:58 pm
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Anticipating Coronavirus in West Africa | Think Global Health

THINK GLOBAL HEALTH: How prepared is Nigeria and West Africa in general for COVID-19, and what should people outside the region know about your preparedness?

IHEKWEAZU: I think our biggest area of vulnerability—and it’s an area that no one really quite knows how it will pan out—is if we do have established circulation, transmission in Nigeria, what level of clinical care do we need to provide for patients?

    ‘If you do have widespread transmission in Nigeria, the biggest risk will be our ability to provide clinical care… that’s what I worry about the most’

More at:  https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/anticipating-coronavirus-west-africa (https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/anticipating-coronavirus-west-africa)
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 20, 2020, 05:30:57 pm
Weeks after receiving Taiwan’s warning, on Jan. 14, WHO repeated China’s claim that coronavirus was not contagious among humans.

WHO needs to be bis-banded, if they refuse to even look into things like this
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: skeeter on March 20, 2020, 05:32:06 pm
Add this latest trillion dollar dustup to the cost of our addiction to trinkets made-in-China.

If they didn't have so much of our money they wouldn't be able to buy the WHO, as they've bought Hollywood, the US Chamber of Commerce, our pharmaceutical industry, etc etc.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 05:33:09 pm
Too late but still the news:

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China exonerates late whistleblower doctor reprimanded for warning about coronavirus
written by Paul Goldberg March 20, 2020

China has exonerated Dr Li Wenliang, the whistleblower doctor who died and who became a hero in China after trying to warn the medical community about the coronavirus.

While he was alive, he was told to be quiet by the authorities before later being diagnosed with the virus himself.

Fox News reports China exonerated a doctor from Wuhan this week who was officially reprimanded for giving early warnings about the coronavirus in late December and died from it months later.

Read more at:  https://newsthud.com/china-exonerates-late-whistleblower-doctor-reprimanded-for-warning-about-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 20, 2020, 06:14:35 pm
This is the source for the DailyCaller article, https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68 (https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68) . I hit a paywall when I clicked the link in the DC article.

That said,  *bouche*  :#@$%:
Title: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: mystery-ak on March 20, 2020, 06:23:20 pm
Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
By Marty Johnson - 03/20/20 01:43 PM EDT

Italy on Friday reported its largest one-day coronavirus death toll, as 627 people died from the disease in the country that has been rocked by the pandemic, The Associated Press reported.

Earlier this week, Italy surpassed China in most coronavirus-related deaths. Italy now has more than 40,000 confirmed cases of the virus and more than 3,400 deaths, according to The New York Times.

The country is in a nationwide lockdown. Residents must have written permission from the government to leave their homes.

DEVELOPING

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/488657-italy-announces-biggest-one-day-increase-for
Title: Re: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: Idiot on March 20, 2020, 06:26:23 pm
Horrible....just horrible....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 20, 2020, 06:34:23 pm

GIven that anitmalarials have some apparent efficacy against this virus, I wonder if Sickle Cell Anemia (which also gives some resistance to Malaria, albeit at some cost to the person with the disease) gives a measure of resistance?
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 20, 2020, 06:46:57 pm
From a link in the OP article in this thread, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394724.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394724.0.html) :

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689)

Response to COVID-19 in Taiwan
C. Jason Wang, MD, PhD; Chun Y. Ng, MBA, MPH; Robert H. Brook, MD, ScD
JAMA. Published online March 3, 2020

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On December 31, 2019, when the World Health Organization was notified of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan, China, Taiwanese officials began to board planes and assess passengers on direct flights from Wuhan for fever and pneumonia symptoms before passengers could deplane. As early as January 5, 2020, notification was expanded to include any individual who had traveled to Wuhan in the past 14 days and had a fever or symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection at the point of entry; suspected cases were screened for 26 viruses including SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). Passengers displaying symptoms of fever and coughing were quarantined at home and assessed whether medical attention at a hospital was necessary. ...

Would that the world had heard of Taiwan's alert and acted as swiftly and decisively! Shame on WHO for ostracizing Taiwan!
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 20, 2020, 06:59:20 pm
Weeks after receiving Taiwan’s warning, on Jan. 14, WHO repeated China’s claim that coronavirus was not contagious among humans.

WHO needs to be bis-banded, if they refuse to even look into things like this
Not to be a tinfoil hat type, but WHO isn't relevant to most unless there is a global outbreak, or a serious epidemic somewhere. They're just trying to establish more turf in the quest for bureaucratic relevance, on a global scale.

See Also: Munchhausen Syndrome by proxy (https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hw180537)
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: corbe on March 20, 2020, 07:15:20 pm
(https://clashdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/winnie-the-flu.jpg)
Title: Re: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 20, 2020, 07:36:37 pm
It is horrible, but there is no other data.
It is tough to track risk factors or assess vulnerabilities without more information.
Title: Re: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: LadyLiberty on March 20, 2020, 08:17:34 pm
 ..... if China's numbers are true.
Title: Re: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: truth_seeker on March 20, 2020, 08:18:58 pm
It is horrible, but there is no other data.
It is tough to track risk factors or assess vulnerabilities without more information.

What is the acceptable trade off, for human life vs. 401Ks this week?
Title: Re: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: Idiot on March 20, 2020, 08:26:14 pm
What is the acceptable trade off, for human life vs. 401Ks this week?
You’ll have to quanitify the amount of the 401k. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
Post by: LadyLiberty on March 20, 2020, 08:29:22 pm
We'll see how things go in the next couple of weeks after the spring breakers brought it to the resort areas.
Title: A person dies of coronavirus every 10 minutes in Iran, health ministry says
Post by: libertybele on March 20, 2020, 10:33:44 pm
A person dies of coronavirus every 10 minutes in Iran, health ministry says

Iran’s health ministry said Thursday that a person is dying of coronavirus every ten minutes as caseloads continue to rise and hospitals reach a breaking point.

After weeks of skewed numbers and accusations of downplaying or covering up the coronavirus prevalence in Iran, the Tehran government is finally voicing the horrifying extent of the problem in its borders.

“Based on our information, every ten minutes one person dies from the coronavirus and some 50 people become infected with the virus every hour in Iran,” Kianush Jahanpur, the spokesperson for Iran’s health ministry, tweeted.........

https://www.foxnews.com/world/person-dies-coronavirus-every-ten-minutes-iran (https://www.foxnews.com/world/person-dies-coronavirus-every-ten-minutes-iran)
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 20, 2020, 10:35:59 pm
@corbe, that is doubly funny! Images of Pooh Bear are banned there! :silly:
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: skeeter on March 20, 2020, 10:38:32 pm
@corbe, that is doubly funny! Images of Pooh Bear are banned there! :silly:

I thought about sending it to some friends over there but decided I didn't want to get 'em in trouble.
Title: Re: The Mexican government's response to COVID-19 is insufficient
Post by: berdie on March 20, 2020, 10:39:38 pm
We'll see how things go in the next couple of weeks after the spring breakers brought it to the resort areas.



I thought of that myself.
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: libertybele on March 20, 2020, 10:41:38 pm
So far the WHO has proven to be a useless entity.  Deaths were being announced in China, the virus then moved outside of China and into several countries .... they took their sweet time reacting and also in their declaration of a pandemic.  The CDC hasn't exactly been much better.
Title: Re: Italy announces biggest one-day increase for coronavirus death toll
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 20, 2020, 10:51:12 pm
What is the acceptable trade off, for human life vs. 401Ks this week?
Let me turn that around.
What is the unacceptable number of lives lost to the virus? 
How many is too many?
(Please spare me the "If it saves just one life", thing, because that ship has sailed. If that was the case, Abortion would have been outlawed 60,000,000 babies ago.)

A few hundred?
A few thousand?
Should we go there for fewer 'casualties' than the ordinary flu season?
Should we wait until it rivals auto accident death tolls?

How long is long enough to shut things down?
Because if that number gets too long, the following apply:
How many people should lose all they have, go bankrupt for the second time in just over a decade, go hungry?
How many should lose all they have, again?
As far as human lives go, those who lose their jobs and businesses and insurance won't be able to afford health care either, should they need it, so even if they weren't in the high risk group, their lives may be forfeit because they likely won't seek health care they just can't afford until it is too late.

How far do you think the economy can crash before it takes another decade or more to recover (Note: the oil industry won't pull it out this time, not with oil in the 20s) or a conflict on the order of WWII to rebuild it?
(We lost 418,500 people in that one.)

You tell me.
What's your perspective?
Title: How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epidemic
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 10:56:58 pm
 Donald Trump Jr. actually tweeted this article out:    (https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1241115889560432642)
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How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epidemic
By S.G. Cheah     Mar 20th 2020

It’s mind-boggling for people like us, the citizens in the free world, to imagine a government so capable of intentional evil. And yet, that is exactly how the Chinese Communist government of China operates. It’s an authoritarian regime that has historically caused the death of countless millions. Once you understand that, you will understand why we are dealing with this unprecedented global health crisis of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic today.


Recently, there have been news reports about how patient zero of the Wuhan coronavirus was traced back to as early as November 17. By December, Chinese scientists were already aware of the existence of the deadly virus and alerted Beijing about it. What was the Chinese government’s response? They received a gag order from China’s National Health Commission, with instructions to destroy the samples. Basically, the first critical month was spent covering up the crisis instead of taking preventive measures to stop the outbreak from worsening.

In fact, back in early January, when news broke out about this new deadly virus, American representatives from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control alerted the American government, and America offered to send a team of experts from the CDC to help with the investigation for the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan. The Chinese government refused to authorize this request.

Read more at:  https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/how-the-chinese-regimes-silencing-of-whistleblowers-turned-a-local-outbreak/ (https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/how-the-chinese-regimes-silencing-of-whistleblowers-turned-a-local-outbreak/)

I will add on, after a day or so, coronavirus related threads in the main World News Forum will be merged into the "big" thread unless someone wishes to object.
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: TomSea on March 20, 2020, 11:11:03 pm
Just think too, WHO doesn't even recognize Taiwan as an independent nation.
Title: Re: How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epide
Post by: DB on March 20, 2020, 11:12:47 pm
I don't know if anyone remembers but initially Beijing tried to blame the mayor of Wuhan and the local party chief for "hiding" the problem from them. That they didn't act because they didn't know.

It was all lies.
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: DB on March 20, 2020, 11:19:46 pm
And that is why Taiwan locked it's border with China sooner than everyone else and benefited from it. They knew China was lying and covering things up.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 21, 2020, 12:17:59 am
Huge Column Of Military Trucks Is Taking The Coffins Of Those Who Died From Corona in Bergamo, Italy, To Other Cities

By Strange Sounds -Mar 20, 2020

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Bergamo, Italy: The military is taking the coffins of those who died from Corona to other cities.

Because the city’s cremation system is overwhelmed even if running 24/24 and 7/7.

(https://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/bergamo-italy-army-trucks-coffins-cremation-1024x808.jpg)
A long column of army trucks transporting coffins from Corona victims out of
Bergamo, Italy for cremation. Picture via Twitter

This is just terrifying! This impressive column of military vehicles crossed the heart of Bergamo yesterday.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 21, 2020, 03:05:24 am
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Authorities in Tibetan Capital Lhasa Arrest 10 for Breaching Coronavirus Protocol
2020-03-19

Authorities in the Tibet Autonomous Region’s capital Lhasa have arrested 10 people for violating government rules meant to prevent the spread of COVID-19, but critics say the charges are merely a guise for politically motivated harassment detentions.

The Tibet Daily reported March 12 that “the security bureau office in Lhasa is striking back against those social elements who go against the measures of containing and controlling the spread of COVID-19.”

More: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/coronavirus-arrest-03192020210110.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/coronavirus-arrest-03192020210110.html)

Another article, worth noting, Singapore per this next article was hard hit early on but they calmed it down and nobody died.

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How Taiwan and Singapore managed to contain COVID-19, while letting normal life go on
Tom Blackwell

Sandra Johnson’s husband had already left for work by the time she talked to the National Post Thursday — early Friday morning where she lives in Singapore.

His office was open, and the expat from Mississauga, Ont., was herself planning to visit a nearby mall later. She had gone to the chiropractor the day before.

The city-state of six million is an eastern Asian transportation hub and for a few days had the world’s second-highest number of COVID-19 cases. But its total stood at a modest 345 Friday, with no deaths.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/how-taiwan-and-singapore-managed-to-contain-covid-19-while-letting-normal-life-go-on/ar-BB11tEGQ?li=AA524b (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/how-taiwan-and-singapore-managed-to-contain-covid-19-while-letting-normal-life-go-on/ar-BB11tEGQ?li=AA524b)
Title: Re: How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epide
Post by: Fishrrman on March 21, 2020, 03:18:48 am
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Title: Re: Timeline: The early days of China's coronavirus outbreak and cover-up
Post by: Fishrrman on March 21, 2020, 03:19:09 am
(https://clashdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/winnie-the-flu.jpg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 21, 2020, 03:24:27 am
This below, is talking about what Taiwan's economic plan to get things back in an upswing.
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Sat, Mar 21, 2020 page1

    Virus Outbreak: Going shopping is better fix, Su says
        By Sean Lin / Staff reporter

    The government aims to provide an economic stimulus by encouraging consumption, not by sending people big checks, Premier Su Tseng-chang (蘇貞昌) said yesterday in response to calls by Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) lawmakers for the government to up the ante on planned coupons to revitalize sectors affected by the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Su made the remarks when fielding a question from KMT Legislator Lo Ming-tsai (羅明才) during a plenary session at the Legislative Yuan in Taipei on whether the government could give each resident NT$10,000 (US$330) in cash instead of coupons with a face value of NT$800.

...

The government hopes to improve on the former administration’s policy by using a different approach, one that incentivizes people to go shopping, Su said.

See more at:  https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/21/2003733095 (https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/21/2003733095)

I don't have a full picture of what Taiwan is doing but what if the pay out to citizens only allowed people to shop locally? Coupons or something? That sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epide
Post by: DB on March 21, 2020, 03:29:07 am
"How China can be held legally accountable for coronavirus pandemic"

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus)
Title: Re: How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epide
Post by: sneakypete on March 21, 2020, 04:27:55 am
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It’s mind-boggling for people like us, the citizens in the free world, to imagine a government so capable of intentional evil.

Not for anybody that knows anything about the history of China or ANY of it's rulers.

Evil bastards,one and all.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 21, 2020, 12:40:12 pm
Daily #Coronavirus #COVID-19 Data Graph Page

WUWT : https://wattsupwiththat.com/daily-coronavirus-covid-19-data-graph-page/ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/daily-coronavirus-covid-19-data-graph-page/)

(https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/willis-coronavirus-chart-3-20-20.jpg?w=708&ssl=1)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 21, 2020, 12:48:53 pm
Crush the Curve: Italian town with first death in Italy stopped the virus

JoNova 3/20/2020

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/crush-the-curve-italian-town-with-first-death-in-italy-stopped-the-virus/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/crush-the-curve-italian-town-with-first-death-in-italy-stopped-the-virus/)

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The first epicentre in Italy was Vò, a little town of 3,000. It was shut down, fully tested and twice and nine days apart. By testing, isolating, and tracking, they reduced the spread to almost nothing, and this is despite the extraordinary discovery that when the first death happened, already 3% of the town had the disease.

At that point surely the Italian government should have immediately closed everything?
In one Italian town, we showed mass testing could eradicate the coronavirus

Andrea Crisanti and Antonio Cassone, The Guardian, March 20.

Our experiment came to be by chance. The Italian authorities had a strong emotional reaction to news of the country’s first death – which was in Vò. The whole town was put into quarantine and every inhabitant was tested.

In the first round of testing, 89 people tested positive. In the second round, the number had dropped to six, who remained in isolation. In this way, we managed to eradicate coronavirus from Vò, achieving a 100% recovery rate for those previously infected while recording no further cases of transmission.

The headline is a bit silly — mass testing doesn’t eradicate anything, but it does make strict isolation and containment easier to achieve. Now we probably need mass blind shutdowns to achieve the same effect when earlier action and mass testing then could have crushed the curve with much less effort.

More at link.
Title: Re: How The Chinese Regime's Silencing Of Whistleblowers Turned A Local Outbreak Into A Global Epide
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 21, 2020, 02:53:28 pm
Time to decouple from China.
Title: Re: Taiwan Says It Warned WHO About Coronavirus In December, But Its Warnings Were Ignored
Post by: mystery-ak on March 21, 2020, 03:56:11 pm
Taiwan: We Tried Warning WHO About the Wuhan Coronavirus
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/03/21/taiwan-we-tried-warning-who-about-the-wuhan-coronavirus-n2565422
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: cato potatoe on March 21, 2020, 06:51:38 pm
The US is about to surpass Spain for third on the number of cases identified.  I don't know what happened in New York, but they seem to be driving our numbers.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2020, 06:56:35 pm
The US is about to surpass Spain for third on the number of cases identified.  I don't know what happened in New York, but they seem to be driving our numbers.

I can't answer why NY's numbers have skyrocketed.  Perhaps a huge population in a tiny state, lots of international travel, people not complying, it's hard to say.  But NY isn't the only state.  IL, MI, FL, CA, LA, and WA all now have over 500 cases.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 21, 2020, 07:07:04 pm
Coronavirus: Italy Sees Worst Day Yet, 793 Dead in 24 Hours
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/21/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-793-dead-in-24-hours/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/21/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-793-dead-in-24-hours/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 21, 2020, 07:29:21 pm
I can't answer why NY's numbers have skyrocketed.

Testing.  Put a hundred infected people in a room, test one, and you have one case.  The next day, test the other 99.  Now you have 100 cases.  A hundredfold increase over night.  Yet the number of people actually infected remained unchanged.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on March 21, 2020, 09:35:04 pm
Testing.  Put a hundred infected people in a room, test one, and you have one case.  The next day, test the other 99.  Now you have 100 cases.  A hundredfold increase over night.  Yet the number of people actually infected remained unchanged.

A frame of reference certainly helps to flatten that panic curve and hopefully calm some nerves that have people unduly amped up (Give credit where credit is due, send your ‘thank you’ notes to CNN, Atlanta, cc: Rachel Maddow in New York, for their part in stoking mass hysteria and losses in stock markets.)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on March 21, 2020, 10:56:50 pm
Coronavirus: Italy Sees Worst Day Yet, 793 Dead in 24 Hours
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/21/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-793-dead-in-24-hours/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/21/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-793-dead-in-24-hours/)

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?
The country's high death toll is due to an ageing population, overstretched health system and the way fatalities are reported
By Sarah Newey, Global health Security Correspondent 21 March 2020 • 9:09am

The coronavirus pandemic is exacting a heavy toll on Italy, with hospitals overwhelmed and a nationwide lockdown imposed. But experts are also concerned about a seemingly high death rate, with the number of fatalities outstripping the total reported in China.

Of the 47,000 people confirmed coronavirus patients in Italy, 4,032 so far have died - with a record increase of 627 in the last 24 hours. ...

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.  ...

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.  ...  Full story at the Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 21, 2020, 11:01:57 pm
Testing.  Put a hundred infected people in a room, test one, and you have one case.  The next day, test the other 99.  Now you have 100 cases.  A hundredfold increase over night.  Yet the number of people actually infected remained unchanged.

That is highly suspect.

According to the Department of Health in Ohio, testing is limited and only those who show the most severe symptoms are tested.

The massive increase in confirmed cases in New York (11,210 at this time) is far more likely due to the fact that the disease has spread exponentially.

I repeat: Testing is limited, therefore your theory that testing is the cause of the increase is doubtful at best.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 21, 2020, 11:01:59 pm
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Inside Taiwan during COVID-19: How they keep schools and businesses open
Taiwan acted early to make sure there were supplies of masks, sanitizer
Caitlin Taylor, Stephanie Kampf, Tyana Grundig and David Common · CBC ·

t's almost life as usual for the Lin family of Taiwan during the coronavirus pandemic — with a few noticeable exceptions.

"We didn't worry too much," said Leeli Chang, who lives with her husband, Terry Lin, and her daughter, Peggy, 8, in a suburb of Taipei.

The family, like many in Taiwan, continue to go to work, to school and out shopping as normal since the COVID-19 epidemic, but now with some precautions in place — like regular temperature checks and hand sanitizer dispensers outside most public buildings, and many people wearing masks.

Read more at:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inside-taiwan-during-covid-19-how-they-keep-schools-and-businesses-open-1.5505031 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inside-taiwan-during-covid-19-how-they-keep-schools-and-businesses-open-1.5505031)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 21, 2020, 11:02:50 pm
Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?
The country's high death toll is due to an ageing population, overstretched health system and the way fatalities are reported
By Sarah Newey, Global health Security Correspondent 21 March 2020 • 9:09am

The coronavirus pandemic is exacting a heavy toll on Italy, with hospitals overwhelmed and a nationwide lockdown imposed. But experts are also concerned about a seemingly high death rate, with the number of fatalities outstripping the total reported in China.

Of the 47,000 people confirmed coronavirus patients in Italy, 4,032 so far have died - with a record increase of 627 in the last 24 hours. ...

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.  ...

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.  ...  Full story at the Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/)

If the country has lots of old people it would suggest that at least under normal conditions their healthcare must not be that bad or they would already be dead.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 21, 2020, 11:08:13 pm
There are many variables as one of the member's here indicated in the other thread I believe, if you have more tests, yes, the sample size grows.

I'm sure there are many variables and factors so, the next thing to do is analyze.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2020, 11:10:56 pm
That is highly suspect.

According to the Department of Health in Ohio, testing is limited and only those who show the most severe symptoms are tested.

The massive increase in confirmed cases in New York (11,210 at this time) is far more likely due to the fact that the disease has spread exponentially.

I repeat: Testing is limited, therefore your theory that testing is the cause of the increase is doubtful at best.
Population density. Shared small spaces abound in New York City, from subways to buses to elevators and stairwells. Not as much in less dense population areas. There are buildings in NYC with populations multiples of many small towns in flyover country.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 21, 2020, 11:12:37 pm
If the country has lots of old people it would suggest that at least under normal conditions their healthcare must not be that bad or they would already be dead.

According to data I have read, they have the oldest population in the world....... and a lot of smokers.

And I am thinking........... if they have COVID-19 more seriously because they have COPD and die as a result of the combination, is it important to make that distinction?

In addition, the victims of this pandemic are dying at such a rapid rate in Italy that the morgues can't handle the bodies any more and so they are being taken to military bases.

I don't think we can be sure of quality autopsy reports with this kind of horror.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 21, 2020, 11:13:45 pm
That is highly suspect.

According to the Department of Health in Ohio, testing is limited and only those who show the most severe symptoms are tested.

The massive increase in confirmed cases in New York (11,210 at this time) is far more likely due to the fact that the disease has spread exponentially.

I repeat: Testing is limited, therefore your theory that testing is the cause of the increase is doubtful at best.

I'd say the lack of consistent testing makes it indeterminate, at best.  :shrug:  It's a fact that there are a lot of untested people, and it's also a fact the tests that are being made have been pointed toward people who are most likely to have it, so there's a certain level of unavoidable confirmation bias built in.

(I used to test stuff for a living.)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 21, 2020, 11:14:42 pm
Population density. Shared small spaces abound in New York City, from subways to buses to elevators and stairwells. Not as much in less dense population areas. There are buildings in NYC with populations multiples of many small towns in flyover country.

I'm sure population density has a lot to do with NY's high infection rate.

That, plus the fact that DiBlasio and Cuomo didn't shut things down fast enough, and people kept going to Broadway shows ($$$), etc. rather than self-isolating and staying healthy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 21, 2020, 11:15:30 pm
I'd say the lack of consistent testing makes it indeterminate, at best.  :shrug:  It's a fact that there are a lot of untested people, and it's also a fact the tests that are being made have been pointed toward people who are most likely to have it, so there's a certain level of unavoidable confirmation bias built in.

(I used to test stuff for a living.)

Oh, what a fun job!!  happy77
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 21, 2020, 11:26:44 pm
I'd say the lack of consistent testing makes it indeterminate, at best.  :shrug:  It's a fact that there are a lot of untested people, and it's also a fact the tests that are being made have been pointed toward people who are most likely to have it, so there's a certain level of unavoidable confirmation bias built in.

(I used to test stuff for a living.)

On the other side of the equation apparently people over eighty that were sick were turned away and may not been tested. With a good number of them dying from it. So they wouldn't necessarily be counted as victims of it biasing the numbers the other way.

I wonder if they take samples from the dead even if they don't have time to test the samples at this time?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 21, 2020, 11:28:21 pm
Break bonds with China? Okay, now is not the time but eventually, we will need to do something like that...remove tariffs and yes, China would benefit.
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U.S. Shows Willingness to Remove Tariffs on Medical Supplies
By Brendan Murray

The Trump administration signaled a willingness to remove tariffs on medical supplies from China as health authorities backed by U.S. businesses express an urgent need for more masks, ventilators and other equipment to suppress the coronavirus pandemic.

The U.S. Trade Representative, in a statement late Friday, invited the public, businesses and government agencies to submit “comments on possible further modifications to remove duties from additional medical care products.”

President Donald Trump hit China in 2017 with an investigation into allegations of intellectual property theft and forced technology transfer. That led to a nearly two-year trade war in which the world’s largest economies raised tariffs on each other’s exports. A cease-fire was declared in January, but U.S. tariffs on some $360 billion Chinese imports remain in place.

More:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/u-s-signals-willingness-to-remove-tariffs-on-medical-supplies?sref=e6XtIgfq (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/u-s-signals-willingness-to-remove-tariffs-on-medical-supplies?sref=e6XtIgfq)

We are so integrated now, I guess, maybe that's globalism. I've posted it before, China has a lot of American things too, Starbucks, McDonald's.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2020, 11:30:14 pm
I'd say the lack of consistent testing makes it indeterminate, at best.  :shrug:  It's a fact that there are a lot of untested people, and it's also a fact the tests that are being made have been pointed toward people who are most likely to have it, so there's a certain level of unavoidable confirmation bias built in.

(I used to test stuff for a living.)

That's being kind at the very least.
For every tested person there are 100's of positives never tested, which throws off the per-capita results by orders of magnitude. Which means the test results are more or less worthless.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 21, 2020, 11:38:20 pm
That's being kind at the very least.
For every tested person there are 100's of positives never tested, which throws off the per-capita results by orders of magnitude. Which means the test results are more or less worthless.

And negatives never tested either.  The lack of testing throws everything off, and in different directions.  So which is it?  Are we off on the low side, or on the high side?  You tell me.

It's frustrating, but understandable.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 21, 2020, 11:41:21 pm
Oh, what a fun job!!  happy77

I really enjoyed it.  Things didn't turn into road apples until the company was bought by a Dutch multinational, and they sucked.  They saw no problem with shipping every part of the company they could to China.  It's OK now, though, because they made me happy to accept a voluntary layoff in '18.  We're in our retirement Castle, and it's paid for.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 21, 2020, 11:42:30 pm
On the other side of the equation apparently people over eighty that were sick were turned away and may not been tested. With a good number of them dying from it. So they wouldn't necessarily be counted as victims of it biasing the numbers the other way.

I wonder if they take samples from the dead even if they don't have time to test the samples at this time?

That would be nice, but I doubt that they did take samples for later analysis.  I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 21, 2020, 11:54:10 pm
That's being kind at the very least.
For every tested person there are 100's of positives never tested, which throws off the per-capita results by orders of magnitude. Which means the test results are more or less worthless.

The testing gives you a good idea of the number who died from it. It also gives you some idea of those who were sick enough to get tested, had a positive result and recovered. As far as the total number infected it only provides minimum numbers and not much else. It will be up to the statisticians and research people to estimate the total number infected.

The same could be said of the common flu. Most people who get the flu don't go to a doctor. So there's really no record of the total number of people who were infected with the flu to calculate the mortality rate for any particular outbreak. It is the statisticians and researches that estimate those numbers as best they can.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 22, 2020, 02:35:34 am
I really enjoyed it.  Things didn't turn into road apples until the company was bought by a Dutch multinational, and they sucked.  They saw no problem with shipping every part of the company they could to China.  It's OK now, though, because they made me happy to accept a voluntary layoff in '18.  We're in our retirement Castle, and it's paid for.

Retirement is da bomb!  Especially if things are paid off!  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 04:00:12 am
A few international stories, Mexico, India, Fiji and Italy.

Mexico, they are looking for people who came back from specifically, a skiing trip to Vail, CO.  Surely, not all 400 persons will have it.

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Search is on for hundreds of suspected coronavirus carriers in 3 states
Jalisco authorities are looking for 400 people who traveled to Vail, Colorado

Published on Thursday, March 19, 2020

Authorities in Jalisco and Aguascalientes are attempting to track down hundreds of people who could be infected with the new coronavirus Covid-19, while those in Puebla are monitoring 140 people who came into contact with three members of a family who tested positive for the disease.

Jalisco Governor Enrique Alfaro said on Wednesday that authorities are looking for approximately 400 people who traveled to Colorado at the start of the month.

“The most significant potential contagion front in Jalisco has to do with two charter flights that went to Denver, United States, two weeks ago,” he said in a video message posted to social media, adding that authorities are particularly interested in locating people who went to the ski town of Vail.

More:  https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/authorities-in-3-states-attempt-to-track-down-suspected-coronavirus-carriers/ (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/authorities-in-3-states-attempt-to-track-down-suspected-coronavirus-carriers/)

Actually, every country is basically doing the same thing, even Fiji who was pretty removed from all of this. Article included below.

There are all kinds of actions in India to buckle down on this:

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Modi Asks 1.3 Billion Indians to Stay Indoors in Virus Fight
Archana Chaudhary and Abhijit Roy Chowdhury
,Bloomberg•March 20, 2020

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi urged the country’s 1.3 billion citizens to stay indoors to protect themselves from the fast-spreading coronavirus, hours after the government announced it was barring all international flights from landing in the country for a week starting March 22.

“We are a developing nation and for a country like us, this corona crisis is not an ordinary thing,” Modi said Thursday evening in an address to the nation, noting the pandemic had hit India’s economy. He called for a day-long self-imposed curfew from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. on March 22.

The federal government also asked states to enforce work-from-home for all private sector employees except those in emergency and essential services, the state-run Press Information Bureau said in a statement. It advised citizens older than 65 years and children younger than 10 to stay home.

More:  https://news.yahoo.com/india-imposes-curbs-overseas-flights-130808182.html (https://news.yahoo.com/india-imposes-curbs-overseas-flights-130808182.html)

Fiji, see link too, they are asking people to stay home,  to wash their hands frequently and so on.

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Fiji reports first case of novel coronavirus
Christian Fernsby â–¼ | March 19, 2020
Fiji authorities today confirmed the country's first case of the novel coronavirus, local media reported.

The southern Pacific country's Head of Health Protection Dr. Alisha Sahu khan said a flight attendant of flag carrier Fiji Airways tested positive for COVID-19, in an imported case of the disease rather than a local transmission, reported news website "fijivillage".

The patient, who had recently been to the U.S. and New Zealand, showed symptoms on Tuesday evening after which he was admitted into a hospital in Lautoka city, said Sahukhan.

Read more at: https://www.poandpo.com/in-sickness-and-health/fiji-reports-first-case-of-novel-coronavirus-1932020356/ (https://www.poandpo.com/in-sickness-and-health/fiji-reports-first-case-of-novel-coronavirus-1932020356/)

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Coronavirus: Lombardy region announces stricter measures

...  Using vending machines is forbidden.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51991972 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51991972)

Even using a coke machine? Heavens!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 04:12:44 am
Well, I heard this about a week ago or so ago, that people shouted from their quarantined windows, that the recovery in China?? Well....this is btw, Diamond and Silk's own website but it links to credible stories from the MSM, see hyperlinks for articles:
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Residents Yell It's 'All Fake' Regarding China's Coronavirus Recovery

According to reports from Yahoo News, the Global Times, and Townhall.com, residents and whistleblowers in China have called the country’s coronavirus recovery into question.

China has recently claimed zero new coronavirus cases. This report of zero new coronavirus cases has “sparked celebration across the globe,” but questions remain whether the information is reliable. Earlier today, we published an article suggesting five reasons to question the reliability of China’s report.

The communist regime in China is accused of controlling the media and pushing propaganda state-wide.


Read more at:  Diamond and Silk  (https://www.diamondandsilk.com/blog/2020/03/20/residents-yell-its-all-fake-regarding-chinas-coronavirus-recovery/)





Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 22, 2020, 12:00:50 pm
I know of an American in Wuhan, early 20s, who has lived off noodles for almost 5 weeks.  Finally getting takeout food delivered, but still not free to leave apartment.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 01:58:45 pm
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A Wuhan Church Finds God’s Grace Amid Coronavirus Scare

By Gina Goh

03/01/2020 Washington D.C. (International Christian Concern) – The Root and Foot Christian Church (RFCC) is situated at the very center of the Coronavirus epidemic – Wuhan, China. When the outbreak happened, the church’s senior pastor decided to stay to care for his sheep, rescue the lives of unbelievers, and calm the fearful souls of Christians.

In an online webinar, titled “Chinese Churches Standing Firm Amid the Outbreak,” hosted by the Chinese Congress on World Evangelization on February 27, pastor Huang Lei shared how his church has witnessed God’s grace in spite of the challenging situation faced by Wuhan residents.

“The Wuhan Pneumonia (officially known as COVID-19) is a rarely seen disaster in human history, yet everything presents an opportunity to glorify God,” he said.

Read more at: https://www.persecution.org/2020/03/01/wuhan-church-finds-gods-grace-amid-coronavirus-scare/ (https://www.persecution.org/2020/03/01/wuhan-church-finds-gods-grace-amid-coronavirus-scare/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 22, 2020, 02:03:32 pm
Another way of looking at it:  Having no information is better than having bad information from WHO.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 02:03:56 pm
A frame of reference certainly helps to flatten that panic curve and hopefully calm some nerves that have people unduly amped up (Give credit where credit is due, send your ‘thank you’ notes to CNN, Atlanta, cc: Rachel Maddow in New York, for their part in stoking mass hysteria and losses in stock markets.)

Excuse me, the President himself is giving daily briefings on this matter. That in itself tells us this is an important matter. I don't know if he is doing that today, Sunday.

Almost every country there is, is taking serious measures, as the President of the United States of America has given us.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 02:10:55 pm
Why COVID-19 Is a Product of the Left

By Christopher Paslay, March 22, 2020

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/why_covid19_is_a_product_of_the_left.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/why_covid19_is_a_product_of_the_left.html)

The coronavirus is a product of the left, the third and final installment of its trilogy of doomsday scenarios that rounds out the Russia collusion and Ukrainian quid pro quo narratives. Only this time, after years of seeing their collective efforts to take down the president of the United States fail, they've hit the jackpot. The elitist ruling class and self-appointed gatekeepers of our society and culture — academia, Big Tech, the entertainment industry, and the mainstream media — have finally found a way to make themselves relevant again, have finally found a mechanism to gain back some of the direct control over the lives of average Americans they'd so frustratingly lost under President Trump.

That mechanism is COVID-19, an exotic-sounding flu-like virus that as of now has a bark that is much, much stronger than its bite. Relatively speaking (and with all due respect to those who've been infected or have lost a loved one), its bite is still underwhelming, which is why the media have been able to scare the pants off everybody and create an irrational level of panic and hysteria: because in reality, it's not what they're making it out to be. If it were as devastating as advertised, and hundreds of thousands of Americans were getting infected and tens of thousands were dying — figures that would justify the level of insanity and overreaction — the entire tone of the media would be quite different. It would be somber, and respectful, but most importantly, less sensational. It's the irresponsible, tasteless, and voyeuristic coverage of the coronavirus by the media that proves they're manipulating it for their own gain.

What do they gain? The power to control your life, to make your decisions for you, to set the narrative and impose their elitist progressive worldview on everyone and everything — oh, and to get rid of Trump, too.

COVID-19, which is basically a nasty strain of the flu, comes straight out of Communist China and is communist in nature in that Soviet-style propaganda — in coordination with the oppression of freedom — allowed the virus to evolve and spread and come into America. Trump tried to shut it out weeks ago by closing off travel with China, a decision criticized by the left. Still, it arrived, perhaps as far back as November. No one cared back then, especially the left. Leftists were too busy preparing the second installment of their trilogy of doomsday scenarios, the quid pro quo impeachment farce.

That got them nowhere. Besides helping Trump and the GOP raise insane amounts of money and jeopardize Democrat seats in the House, it was another bust. Things were looking pretty dreary for the Dems last month, to be sure. Their party was in utter disarray as their major candidates — Biden and Bernie — were laughingstocks, either too senile or too socialist to have any shot at taking on Trump.


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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 02:15:26 pm
Political Health – The Motives of a Very, Very, Political Dr. Fauci…

Posted on March 21, 2020, by sundance

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/21/political-health-the-motives-of-a-very-very-political-dr-fauci/

There’s been a debate about possible political motives surrounding the panic he has created; the massive economic damage he has inflicted; and the conflicting assertions of National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases (NIAID) Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

CTH identifies the motives as sketchy. He appears to use his position to advance theories and yet position himself to avoid scrutiny.

Sometimes within a 24 hour period Fauci will make a statement, then contradict the initial assertion, then attempt to cloud his own conflict with obtuse and wordy explanations. After watching for several weeks, we called it out HERE.

Perhaps one way to help see through the professional obfuscation, and identify just exactly how political Dr. Fauci is, would be to: compare and contrast Dr. Fauci under President Obama in September 2009 after 3,000 to 4,000 H1N1 deaths in the USA -vs- Dr. Fauci under President Trump in March 2020 after 200 to 300 COVID-19 deaths...

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 02:16:34 pm
This is one stat in which we lead the world, hospital beds but there is some detail to the explanation:
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Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
When compared to some other countries, the #USA lacks hospital beds per capita. But, the US has the most #CriticalCare beds per capita, and when it comes to #COVID19, that’s what counts. Accurate #Statistics matter. Don't buy into the media panic.
#CoronavirusUSA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETq4oX_WAAsH39Z?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 02:20:26 pm
What did Dr. Fauci have to say in 2009 about the deadly H1N1 pandemic?

By M. Catharine Evans, March 22, 2020

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/what_did_dr_fauci_have_to_say_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/what_did_dr_fauci_have_to_say_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html)

It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.

In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."

"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.

It’s peculiar that nowhere in the 2009 video does Dr. Fauci suggest that in order to alleviate the stress on hospital supplies we "force, uh, delay, if not cancel anything that's elective, I mean any medical or surgical procedures that need to be done on an elective basis should not be done." Dr. Fauci's statement to NBC's Savannah Guthrie on March 20, 2020 and his obvious slip of the tongue using the word “force” reveals just how much influence Dr. Fauci has over our daily lives. To date, hospitals, imaging centers, and outpatient departments across the country have cancelled non-emergent testing and surgical procedures.

Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.



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However, no-one is asking: what is the current stress level on the healthcare system right now? Where are we in that capacity?… and what is normal capacity level during a high-level flu outbreak?… and Where are we when compared against that baseline?

Remember in 2009 there were over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S. [DATA HERE]

The premise to extend the virus duration in an effort to lower the infection rate and spread the virus over a longer period of time needs to measured against: (a) where the healthcare system is at any given moment; and (b) under traditional high-flu seasons where are we during those historic events.

STRESS LEVEL – The healthcare ‘system’ per se, is expending an awful lot of time on mitigation efforts. As Dr. Birx noted: the current negative test rate for coronavirus among those showing symptoms who are tested is 94 to 98 percent. That means of all the people taking coronavirus tests, 94/98 out of 100 are symptomatic (they are sick) but they are not infected with coronavirus. They are normal flu cases.

Our healthcare “system” is expending an incredible amount of resources on a mitigation effort. According to Dr. Birx and the current U.S. test results, 94 to 98 percent of those mitigation efforts are not engaging with coronavirus. They are dealing with regular flu (perhaps a strong flu).

If you extract the mitigation effort from the overall effort, the current stress level on the healthcare system doesn’t seem to be overwhelming. What is stressing the system is a coronavirus mitigation effort with a rate of 94 to 98 percent testing negative.


This is a really important point that was asked a couple of weeks ago..... if we were able to handle the over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S. back in 2009, without really hearing a word about it..... then why is such a huge problem being projected now?

What it is that answer to that question?



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 22, 2020, 02:26:19 pm
This is a really important point that was asked a couple of weeks ago..... if we were able to handle the over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S. back in 2009, without really hearing a word about it..... then why is such a huge problem being projected now?

What it is that answer to that question?

Because Trump wasn't President then?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 02:33:41 pm
Because Trump wasn't President then?

I suspect that may have a LOT  to do with it!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 02:50:28 pm
Break bonds with China? Okay, now is not the time but eventually, we will need to do something like that...remove tariffs and yes, China would benefit.
We are so integrated now, I guess, maybe that's globalism. I've posted it before, China has a lot of American things too, Starbucks, McDonald's.

We can't drop the tariffs.  We need the money to bailout the hotels and whatever other pork is in the now $2 Trillion coronavirus relief bill.  Medical devices like respirators, masks, and surgical equipment are in very high demand from US consumers.  The government could lose millions in revenue.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on March 22, 2020, 02:59:27 pm
Because Trump wasn't President then?

I suspect that may have a LOT  to do with it!

The media (as always, the DNC’s propaganda arm) sets the narrative. If democrat leaders want a panicked public, they will deliver a panicked public. Without meetings or memos, they are on the same page. They see a fractured economy as their last chance to damage republicans’ chances of taking all three branches.

Remember, they will joyfully walk over dead babies to get their power back. They are that sick.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 03:08:33 pm
The media (as always, the DNC’s propaganda arm) sets the narrative. If democrat leaders want a panicked public, they will deliver a panicked public. Without meetings or memos, they are on the same page. They see a fractured economy as their last chance to damage republicans’ chances of taking all three branches.

Remember, they will joyfully walk over dead babies to get their power back. They are that sick.

I've been saying something like that for a LONG time now @aligncare ! They have invested over 100 years and much $$$ in getting this country to this point and won't see it go down the tubes without one hell of a fight!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 03:18:18 pm
The coronavirus is a product of the left, the third and final installment of its trilogy of doomsday scenarios that rounds out the Russia collusion and Ukrainian quid pro quo narratives. Only this time, after years of seeing their collective efforts to take down the president of the United States fail, they've hit the jackpot.

This is no time to celebrate.   happy77

I know you want to blame the left for this, but it will never happen @Bigun .

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/trump-calls-for-national-unity-against-coronavirus/ar-BB11layX (https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/trump-calls-for-national-unity-against-coronavirus/ar-BB11layX)

Trump calls for national unity against coronavirus

"It's been a great thing to see... getting along with Democrats, getting along with Republicans," said Trump.
"There's been a lot of spirit with things happening that I haven't seen in almost three and a half years."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/gop-governor-group-pauses-political-attacks-amid-coronavirus-while-democrats-continue (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/gop-governor-group-pauses-political-attacks-amid-coronavirus-while-democrats-continue)

GOP governor group pauses political attacks amid coronavirus while Democrats continue

“The RGA is not engaging in any digital or email fundraising or any negative political communications at this time,” RGA spokeswoman Amelia Chasse Alcivar confirmed Friday. “We are not using the COVID-19 crisis to attack our opponents.”

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1241726343915679751 (https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1241726343915679751)

GOP @GOP
Congress The Trump Administration’s response to the virus has been praised by Democrat Governors from Washington, California, & New York—Americans' safety & health knows no party lines.

President Trump is working with states & communities to ensure Americans are supported in this crisis.
9:00 AM · Mar 22, 2020

I'm very proud of my President and my former party on focusing on solutions instead of hatred.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 03:25:29 pm
Quote
Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
Chinese Communist Party lies & corruption turned a local health problem into a global pandemic, devastating lives & dreams across our country. There will be a reckoning.

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton)

Senator Cotton refers to this article below in his tweet:

This basic question has been in a few threads, so I thought I'd post this here.   Senator Tom Cotton  (https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1241722674583351296) links to this article off of his twitter.
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How the Virus Got Out

By Jin Wu, Weiyi Cai, Derek Watkins and James GlanzMarch 22, 2020

The most extensive travel restrictions to stop an outbreak in human history haven’t been enough. We analyzed the movements of hundreds of millions of people to show why.

...

Many of the first known cases clustered around a seafood market in Wuhan, China, a city of 11 million and a transportation hub.

Four cases grew to dozens by the end of December. Doctors knew only that the sick people had viral pneumonia that did not respond to the usual treatments.

The true size of the outbreak was much larger even then — an invisible network of nearly 1,000 cases, or perhaps several times more.

Read more at:  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on March 22, 2020, 03:31:14 pm
From a Canadian:
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Conrad Black @ConradMBlack

We must not, in our zeal to “flatten the curve” and suppress the coronavirus, amputate our economic limbs; mass unemployment and a tidal wave of small business bankruptcies would take painful years to heal.

9:58 PM · Mar 20, 2020
Full article at National Post (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-getting-a-handle-on-covid-19s-economic-fallout)
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   Conrad Black: Getting a handle on COVID-19's economic fallout
The consequences of forcing everyone to self-quarantine could take years to heal. Tax relief won’t work with people and companies who aren’t making any money, and direct payments to the whole population, as is envisioned in the U.S., is a bit of a blunderbuss

The coronavirus crisis is complicated by the unusual state of panic that has possessed much of the world, and by the somewhat divergent concerns and goals of those addressing the medical questions and those trying to cope with the economic damage. The national American political media, in their hostility to the president in an election year, and before the proportions of the pandemic were clear, fanned the fires of public hysteria. At the same time, the Chinese government and media (the second is a branch of the first) first dissembled and lied about the virus and are now engaged in an immense work of fabricated myth-making. For two or three weeks, the spread of the virus in China appeared to be completely uncontainable and the U.S. administration was trying to damp down concern in a manner that seemed somewhat cavalier.  ...
It's hard to copy and paste from the site - please click on link. He says the virus may end up being contained, but at too great an economic cost.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 22, 2020, 03:49:29 pm
This is no time to celebrate.   happy77

I know you want to blame the left for this, but it will never happen @Bigun .

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/trump-calls-for-national-unity-against-coronavirus/ar-BB11layX (https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/trump-calls-for-national-unity-against-coronavirus/ar-BB11layX)

Trump calls for national unity against coronavirus

"It's been a great thing to see... getting along with Democrats, getting along with Republicans," said Trump.
"There's been a lot of spirit with things happening that I haven't seen in almost three and a half years."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/gop-governor-group-pauses-political-attacks-amid-coronavirus-while-democrats-continue (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/gop-governor-group-pauses-political-attacks-amid-coronavirus-while-democrats-continue)

GOP governor group pauses political attacks amid coronavirus while Democrats continue

“The RGA is not engaging in any digital or email fundraising or any negative political communications at this time,” RGA spokeswoman Amelia Chasse Alcivar confirmed Friday. “We are not using the COVID-19 crisis to attack our opponents.”

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1241726343915679751 (https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1241726343915679751)

GOP @GOP
Congress The Trump Administration’s response to the virus has been praised by Democrat Governors from Washington, California, & New York—Americans' safety & health knows no party lines.

President Trump is working with states & communities to ensure Americans are supported in this crisis.
9:00 AM · Mar 22, 2020

I'm very proud of my President and my former party on focusing on solutions instead of hatred.

In Governor DeWine's presser yesterday two journalists tried to push the abortion issue, because elective surgeries have been postponed in Ohio, and that includes (thank the Lord!) abortions.

Both Dr. Acton and Gov. DeWine said clearly, let's not make this political and deflected the questions clearly and concisely.

The press conferences here have been far less hostile than the White House pseudo-journalists have been, but I was very glad to hear the abortion garbage shot down with both barrels.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 04:02:15 pm
From a Canadian:

This Canadian doesn't think the man who boldly requested Ukraine and China investigate Hunter Biden on live television, the man who brought Turkish President Erdogan to his knees with the words "Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool! I'll call you later"...our AMERICAN IMPOTUS has thought this through. 

I may not have high approval of my President, and still yours too  wink777, but I'm not listenin' to no sissy-boy Justin Trudeau votin' cuck, bad mouth America.

Go back to your country, you anti-American snowflake soyboy beta-male libtard.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 04:02:56 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Protein Spike Attached to Horseshoe Bat Coronavirus Indicates Covid-19 is Man Made (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/breaking-news-protein-spike-attached-horseshoe-bat-man-luche-thayer)

I'm sure not discounting that possibility.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 04:06:25 pm
In Governor DeWine's presser yesterday two journalists tried to push the abortion issue, because elective surgeries have been postponed in Ohio, and that includes (thank the Lord!) abortions.

Both Dr. Acton and Gov. DeWine said clearly, let's not make this political and deflected the questions clearly and concisely.

The press conferences here have been far less hostile than the White House pseudo-journalists have been, but I was very glad to hear the abortion garbage shot down with both barrels.

A silver lining.  Thanks for pointing it out @musiclady I had not even gotten to thinking about that.  Maybe the start of a baby boom.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 22, 2020, 04:11:55 pm
A silver lining.  Thanks for pointing it out @musiclady I had not even gotten to thinking about that.  Maybe the start of a baby boom.

Indeed!  I would wish for abortions as "elective surgeries" to end for the forseeable future.

God is clearly still in control here, and this may be the best thing to happen because of this unseen enemy we are fighting.  The Enemy may be thwarted for a time!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 04:18:38 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Protein Spike Attached to Horseshoe Bat Coronavirus Indicates Covid-19 is Man Made (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/breaking-news-protein-spike-attached-horseshoe-bat-man-luche-thayer)

I'm sure not discounting that possibility.

You sure know how to pick them. 

The author of this article is Jenna Luché-Thayer. 35+ years working globally on the rights of the marginalized. Former Senior Advisor to the United Nations and the US Government. Director, Ad Hoc Committee for Health Equity in ICD11 Borreliosis Codes. Founder, Global Network on Institutional Discrimination, Inc

WTF

Alex Jones has a better pedigree
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 22, 2020, 04:22:09 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Protein Spike Attached to Horseshoe Bat Coronavirus Indicates Covid-19 is Man Made (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/breaking-news-protein-spike-attached-horseshoe-bat-man-luche-thayer)

I'm sure not discounting that possibility.

The truth must be weeded out.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2020, 04:26:25 pm
The truth must be weeded out.

If it's true, the implications are staggering.
Title: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: Fishrrman on March 22, 2020, 04:32:12 pm
https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856 (https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856)

Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Israeli medical doctor Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MARCH 22, 2020 09:21

Italy suffered more coronavirus-related victims than China with 4,825 confirmed deaths and 5,000 confirmed patients in the last 24 hours, Channel 12 reported on Sunday.

Israeli doctor Gai Peleg, who is currently working to save lives in Parma, Italy, told Channel 12 that things are only getting worse as the number of patients keeps growing.

...

Peleg said that, from what he sees and hears in the hospital, the instructions are not to offer access to artificial respiratory machines to patients over 60 as such machines are limited in number. 
 
Israel is currently purchasing thousands of respiratory machines, and they are meant to arrive in the country by mid-May. On Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel is using every means it has to secure medical equipment to help patients during the pandemic.

More at URL above...
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: DB on March 22, 2020, 04:36:43 pm
https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856 (https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856)

Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Israeli medical doctor Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MARCH 22, 2020 09:21

Italy suffered more coronavirus-related victims than China with 4,825 confirmed deaths and 5,000 confirmed patients in the last 24 hours, Channel 12 reported on Sunday.

Israeli doctor Gai Peleg, who is currently working to save lives in Parma, Italy, told Channel 12 that things are only getting worse as the number of patients keeps growing.

...

Peleg said that, from what he sees and hears in the hospital, the instructions are not to offer access to artificial respiratory machines to patients over 60 as such machines are limited in number. 
 
Israel is currently purchasing thousands of respiratory machines, and they are meant to arrive in the country by mid-May. On Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel is using every means it has to secure medical equipment to help patients during the pandemic.

More at URL above...

That's pretty awful.
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 22, 2020, 04:41:49 pm
That's pretty awful.

Yes, it is.  Deliberately letting people die because they achieved X number of trips around Sol is cold as all get-out.  You can bet the Governor of a Province that's 75 will get the treatments.
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 05:20:35 pm
Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
8black day
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on March 22, 2020, 05:42:32 pm
If it's true, the implications are staggering.
Yeah but our leaders and leaders around the world are hoping and praying this is not true.  How would we possibly confront them...war?
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: Idiot on March 22, 2020, 05:44:18 pm
https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856 (https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856)

Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Israeli medical doctor Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MARCH 22, 2020 09:21

Italy suffered more coronavirus-related victims than China with 4,825 confirmed deaths and 5,000 confirmed patients in the last 24 hours, Channel 12 reported on Sunday.

Israeli doctor Gai Peleg, who is currently working to save lives in Parma, Italy, told Channel 12 that things are only getting worse as the number of patients keeps growing.

...

Peleg said that, from what he sees and hears in the hospital, the instructions are not to offer access to artificial respiratory machines to patients over 60 as such machines are limited in number. 
 
Israel is currently purchasing thousands of respiratory machines, and they are meant to arrive in the country by mid-May. On Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel is using every means it has to secure medical equipment to help patients during the pandemic.

More at URL above...
Kind of like abortion, but in reverse....  Kill the children and let the older adults die.  God help us.....
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: musiclady on March 22, 2020, 05:49:00 pm
Kind of like abortion, but in reverse....  Kill the children and let the older adults die.  God help us.....

It’s the game plan of the early 20th century progressives being carried out by the 21st century progressives.

Population control by abortion and eugenics.....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 22, 2020, 05:49:03 pm
This is absolutely horrific.   8888crybab

European nations such as Spain and France are now following Italy's trajectory and could theoretically have as many deaths and infections in a few weeks.

This is why it is necessary to contain the China virus in the U.S. as we are attempting to do.

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/why-italy-the-factors-behind-a-coronavirus-disaster (https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/why-italy-the-factors-behind-a-coronavirus-disaster)
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 22, 2020, 06:01:42 pm
It’s the game plan of the early 20th century progressives being carried out by the 21st century progressives.

Population control by abortion and eugenics.....

Margaret Sanger's giggles from Hell are echoing through Italy today.  Can you even imagine being a doctor and having to choose who gets one respirator out of 50 people?   :crying:
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: musiclady on March 22, 2020, 06:03:43 pm
Margaret Sanger's giggles from Hell are echoing through Italy today.  Can you even imagine being a doctor and having to choose who gets one respirator out of 50 people.   :crying:

Margaret Sanger has won on earth, but she is screaming in hell........

I can't imagine being a doctor who is forced to do that.  This is hideous.
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: DCPatriot on March 22, 2020, 06:14:02 pm
Margaret Sanger has won on earth, but she is screaming in hell........

I can't imagine being a doctor who is forced to do that.  This is hideous.

They get away with this because the general population is unarmed.

Here...if our loved ones were in great health before COVID-19, I'd guaran-damn-tee you they're going to get ventilators.    :smokin:
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: musiclady on March 22, 2020, 06:19:28 pm
They get away with this because the general population is unarmed.

Here...if our loved ones were in great health before COVID-19, I'd guaran-damn-tee you they're going to get ventilators.    :smokin:

Unarmed and in a socialized medicine fiasco...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on March 22, 2020, 06:30:17 pm
Yeah but our leaders and leaders around the world are hoping and praying this is not true.  How would we possibly confront them...war?

The Chicoms are despicable, but unleashing a contagion on the world is just bad politics.  I'll withhold judgement at this point.
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 06:31:36 pm
Kind of like abortion, but in reverse....  Kill the children and let the older adults die.  God help us.....

This is bad per the age thing that the Israeli doctor said, hopefully, Christian charity or going out of the country can prevail. What a bummer.

In other news and she's 65, so clearly, she would not be denied help:

Germany: Chancellor Angela Merkel in quarantine after contact with infected doctor
https://btnews.online/archives/119059/germany-chancellor-angela-merkel-in-quarantine-after-contact-with-infected-doctor/

Now, Fox news has had someone in their building with it....
Title: Re: Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
Post by: libertybele on March 22, 2020, 06:47:19 pm
They get away with this because the general population is unarmed.

Here...if our loved ones were in great health before COVID-19, I'd guaran-damn-tee you they're going to get ventilators.    :smokin:

Well, I would like to think so, but there is a shortage of ventilators right now and I believe it is GM that says that they can help to manufacture some.  So .. it's a race against time.  Can we get this contained before our hospitals and staff are overwhelmed?  Can we manufacture the needed equipment., i.e, ventilators, masks, hand sanitizers, booties, hazmat suits, etc., before the supply runs out (already running out) and our medical personnel becomes sick?  Some nurses and doctors are already being isolated and some have become sick, some have died. 

Secondly, they may be able to manufacture the ventilators that may be needed, but the other problem is that there might not be enough trained respiratory therapists to accommodate those needing ventilators.

If any of the above scenarios falls short, they are unfortunately going to have to make some tough decisions. I don't know about elsewhere, but already, the governor in FL is asking for all elective surgeries, procedures and treatments to be postponed to free up beds, hospitals and medical personnel to combat this virus.  He went on to say that we have about 56,000 beds now available and only appx. 1900 ICU beds for the entire state --  so ... do the math.  The population of Florida is a little over 21 million. 

Keep praying. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 22, 2020, 06:50:12 pm
The Chicoms are despicable, but unleashing a contagion on the world is just bad politics.  I'll withhold judgement at this point.

Well ... you might want to watch this when you get a chance.  Coincidence that when the corona became known, all of a sudden, with the exception of Bernie, Biden's competition fell out of line and he is now the DEM nominee? The Biden/Ukraine/China connection is too questionable and I don't think this contagion on the World by the Chinese was accidental -- and I believe that the Bidens ARE also responsible.  The Chinese need and want uncle Joe in office.

www.glennbeck.com/biden-corruption-china (http://www.glennbeck.com/biden-corruption-china)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: cato potatoe on March 22, 2020, 06:54:59 pm
The Chicoms are despicable, but unleashing a contagion on the world is just bad politics.  I'll withhold judgement at this point.

A deliberate release is unlikely.  All communist regimes have grossly incompetent people in high places.  Just look at the soviets and Chernobyl (and Kyshtym before that).  The viruses were not impressed with their information control, so the epidemic got out of hand before lugs could form a plan.

Many of the upper crust Chinese like to eat dogs and exotic animals.  That's probably why the wet markets remain open today.  People have refuted this source of transmission ... but I'd like to know how a bat virus made it to humans without something gross taking place beforehand. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 22, 2020, 07:00:32 pm
A deliberate release is unlikely.  All communist regimes have grossly incompetent people in high places.  Just look at the soviets and Chernobyl (and Kyshtym before that).  The viruses were not impressed with their information control, so the epidemic got out of hand before lugs could form a plan.

Many of the upper crust Chinese like to eat dogs and exotic animals.  That's probably why the wet markets remain open today.  People have refuted this source of transmission ... but I'd like to know how a bat virus made it to humans without something gross taking place beforehand.

I disagree.

https://www.glennbeck.com/biden-corruption-china (https://www.glennbeck.com/biden-corruption-china)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 07:02:31 pm
That on Italy, remember, one of the new precautions is not using vending machines.. One wants some potato chips for example, that certainly seems excessive if folks can't do that... I mean really.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 22, 2020, 09:32:28 pm
Check this out:
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241836739943170048

I'm not sure if this is legit or not, but something tells me that China is fudging again.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 22, 2020, 09:35:48 pm
Check this out:
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1241836739943170048

I'm not sure if this is legit or not, but something tells me that China is fudging again.

If the sun came up in the East this morning, then the Chinese are fudging the Chinese Virus numbers.  Yup.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 22, 2020, 10:29:08 pm
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Act now, Italian doctor at epicenter of outbreak warns the world
Henry Austin and Matteo Moschella and Reuters

An Italian doctor treating patients at the center of the worst coronavirus outbreak in Europe has issued a stark warning to other countries yet hit by the full force of the pandemic: lock down.

“We know what happens," Dr. Emanuela Catenacci told British broadcaster Sky News as she took a break from treating patients in an intensive care ward in the Cremona Hospital in Lombardy. "Don’t think it is happening here and it can’t happen everywhere else … because it will."

The death toll in Italy jumped by 793 to 4,825 on Saturday, by far the largest daily rise in absolute terms since the contagion emerged a month ago in this country. Last week, the number of those killed in Italy's outbreak surpassed those who died in China, where the disease first emerged late last year.

Read more at: https://news.yahoo.com/act-now-warns-italian-doctor-115241166.html (https://news.yahoo.com/act-now-warns-italian-doctor-115241166.html)

Quote
Italy pulls back industrial production as deaths, infection finally show sign of slowing down
by: Associated Press
Posted: Mar 22, 2020 / 02:19 PM PDT   / Updated: Mar 22, 2020 / 02:21 PM PDT   

In its most far-reaching measures to stop the spread of coronavirus, Italy is slowing industrial production nationwide, while the hardest-hit region of Lombardy banned any outdoor exercise not on personal property and set distance limits on dog-walking.

Franco Locatelli, president of Italy’s Higher Health Council, said Sunday that with the new stringent measures announced this weekend, Italy had exhausted all the possible ways it could to limit personal and professional contact. That came as Italy announced that the increase in both infections and deaths had showed the first sign of narrowing in the previous 24 hours.

Read more at: https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/italy-pulls-back-industrial-production-as-deaths-infection-finally-show-sign-of-slowing-down/ (https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/italy-pulls-back-industrial-production-as-deaths-infection-finally-show-sign-of-slowing-down/)

Quote
23 inmates dead after protest over virus fears in Colombia
Sergio Leon and Christine Armario, Associated Press Updated 5:32 pm EDT, Sunday, March 22, 2020

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — A deadly riot broke out in a prison in Colombia's capital, leaving 23 inmates dead, authorities said Sunday, as tensions rise over the spread of the coronavirus in one of the most vulnerable locations: crowded, poorly kept penitentiaries.

Justice Minister Margarita Cabello described the events at the La Modelo prison in Bogota as an attempted prison escape, but advocates for inmates said officials had cracked down on inmates staging a peaceful protest over conditions they feared would exacerbate infections with the virus.

“Today is a sad and painful day for the country,” Cabello said.

Read more at:  https://www.ctpost.com/news/crime/article/Colombia-inmates-riot-over-virus-fears-at-least-15149230.php#photo-19201762 (https://www.ctpost.com/news/crime/article/Colombia-inmates-riot-over-virus-fears-at-least-15149230.php#photo-19201762)

Crowd control,  Nigerian police arested pastor.

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Nigeria Arrests Pastor, Ghana Halts Funerals to Curb Virus
By Alonso Soto
March 22, 2020, 12:26 PM CDT

Nigerian police arrested a pastor and raided churches as the West African nation stepped up efforts to enforce a ban on large gatherings and contain the spread of the coronavirus.

In the past week, dozens of African nations have shut their borders, grounded planes and closed schools and bars as the case count across the region increased to more than 1,200 people. Rwanda went a step further, banning travel between cities and any “unnecessary movements and visits outside the home” from Sunday.

Still, there’s been resistance from religious leaders on a continent where millions of people frequent churches and mosques regularly, with several ignoring the call for social distancing.

More at: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-22/nigeria-arrests-pastor-ghana-halts-funerals-to-curb-virus (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-22/nigeria-arrests-pastor-ghana-halts-funerals-to-curb-virus)

Cuba sent doctors and nurses, now, Russia is goinng to send help:

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Russian army to send coronavirus help to Italy after Putin phone call

MOSCOW (Reuters) - The Russian military will start sending medical help to Italy from Sunday to help it to battle the new coronavirus after receiving an order from President Vladimir Putin, Russia’s Defense Ministry said in a statement.

Putin spoke to Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte on Saturday, the Kremlin said, adding that the Russian leader had offered his support and help in the form of mobile disinfection vehicles and specialists to aid the worst hit Italian regions.

Italy recorded a jump in deaths from the coronavirus of almost 800 on Saturday, taking the toll in the world’s hardest-hit country to almost 5,000.

More:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-italy-idUSKBN219081 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-italy-idUSKBN219081)

Brazil is acting independent of the way most countries are going, I'd be a bit hesitant with them. Maybe it will work out.

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Brazil's Bolsonaro plays down coronavirus risk as cases top 1,000
Jamie McGeever

BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro has denied the country’s healthcare system will collapse next month, contradicting his own health minister as the number of confirmed cases in the country rose above 1,000.

In an interview with CNN Brasil on Saturday night, Bolsonaro also expressed his frustration with several states’ measures to essentially shut down commerce and restrict people’s movement, saying they have gone too far and are damaging the economy.

“I think Mandetta was exaggerating,” Bolsonaro told CNN Brasil, referring to health minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta, who said on Thursday that Brazil’s fragile healthcare system will collapse under the weight of coronavirus by the end of April.

Read more at:  https://in.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-brazil-idINKBN2190UP (https://in.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-brazil-idINKBN2190UP)


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Germany
What are Germany's new coronavirus social distancing rules?

...

What are the new measures?

    Public gatherings of more than two people will be banned. There will be exceptions for families and those living together.

    General contact with others should be reduced to a minimum.

    A 1.5-meter (4.9 feet) distance should be kept at all times when in public.

More:  https://www.dw.com/en/what-are-germanys-new-coronavirus-social-distancing-rules/a-52881742 (https://www.dw.com/en/what-are-germanys-new-coronavirus-social-distancing-rules/a-52881742)

I saw some alleged footage out of China, I know it certainly isn't all of them but it showed some disturbing images of what happens there.
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Army patrols Malaysian streets as coronavirus cases spike

Joseph Sipalan

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia deployed the army on Sunday to enforce a two-week curb on travel in a country that has the highest number of coronavirus cases in Southeast Asia, most of them linked to a mass religious gathering.

The country has so far reported nine deaths and 1,183 infections. Southeast Asia has recorded a total of more than 3,200 positive cases, with the other big centers being Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines.

Malaysia called in the army after some people continued to defy the restrictions that came into force on Wednesday, the defense minister said in a briefing after the deployment started at noon.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-malaysia-idUSKBN219069 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-malaysia-idUSKBN219069)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 05:04:15 am
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 Radio Free Asia  (https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons).

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 05:14:20 am
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Bali fears for future, as Indonesia's coronavirus cases jump

Bali bounced back after bombings and natural disaster, but some worry it will not recover from the effects of COVID-19.
by Ian Lloyd Neubauer
19 Mar 2020

Jakarta, Indonesia - Indonesia will suspend its visa-on-arrival policy for a month from Friday to curb the spread of the deadly COVID-19 virus in the archipelago.

The move will effectively shut down the country's tourism industry, bringing the same economic pain already rippling through Rome, Singapore, Barcelona and other destinations that were once magnets for tourists.

But on the Indonesian resort island of Bali, where more than three-quarters of the economy is linked to tourism, the de-facto border closure could prove catastrophic for the population of 4.2 million people.

Read more at: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/die-fears-future-indonesia-tourism-hotspot-200319064307505.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/die-fears-future-indonesia-tourism-hotspot-200319064307505.html)

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Thailand to Close Malls as Coronavirus Cases Jump
March 21, 2020, at 12:52 a.m.

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand announced it will close malls in the capital Bangkok as the country reported its largest daily increase in coronavirus infections on Saturday.

Malls, except for supermarkets, will be closed for 22 days beginning March 22 to April 12 in a bid to curb the outbreak of the coronavirus, Bangkok Governor Aswin Kwanmuang said in a statement.

"For malls, only the areas that sell food and goods that are used in daily life, will be open,” Aswin said in a Facebook live broadcast.

Read more at: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-21/thailand-to-close-malls-as-coronavirus-cases-jump (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-21/thailand-to-close-malls-as-coronavirus-cases-jump)

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U.S. provides additional assistance to Thailand to respond to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Published    20 Mar 2020

**BANGKOK, THAILAND, March 20, 2020 — **The United States Government announced nearly $2 million in funding from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) to expand U.S. support for Thailand in response to the global spread of COVID-19. This support builds upon ongoing USAID and other U.S. Government investments in health development, particularly those aimed at building the capacity to prevent, detect and respond to infectious diseases. Specifically, $700,000 will be implemented through the World Health Organization (WHO), $329,000 through the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), and $800,000 through the Infectious Disease Detection and Surveillance (IDDS) project, which collectively contribute to the U.S. Government’s Global Health Security Strategy.

Read more at:  https://reliefweb.int/report/thailand/us-provides-additional-assistance-thailand-respond-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19 (https://reliefweb.int/report/thailand/us-provides-additional-assistance-thailand-respond-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19)

I'm glad we are helping them out, despite this being our funds going over seas.





Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 23, 2020, 10:12:56 am
The Biden/Ukraine/China connection is too questionable and I don't think this contagion on the World by the Chinese was accidental -- and I believe that the Bidens ARE also responsible.

@libertybele Why do you suppose our President is hiding this from us? :pondering:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 01:35:45 pm
This is interesting and... new website for me. Things happen in Africa, to be fair, and one can wonder, "well, is it just because conditions may not be ideal for using this chloroquine which was used in Vietnam against malaria.
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Nigeria records chloroquine poisoning after Trump endorses it for treatment
March 23, 2020   in Africa, News

Health officials in Nigeria have issued a warning over chloroquine after they said three people in the country overdosed on the drug, in the wake of President Trump’s comments about using it to treat coronavirus.

A Lagos state official told CNN that three people were hospitalized in the city after taking the drug. Officials later issued a statement cautioning against using chloroquine for Covid-19 treatment.

US President Donald Trump claimed at a White House briefing last week that the Food and Drug Administration had approved the “very powerful” drug chloroquine to treat coronavirus.

Read more at: https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/23/nigeria-records-chloroquine-poisoning-after-trump-endorses-it-for-treatment/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on March 23, 2020, 02:03:33 pm
This is interesting and... new website for me. Things happen in Africa, to be fair, and one can wonder, "well, is it just because conditions may not be ideal for using this chloroquine which was used in Vietnam against malaria.
Let me be the first to say it....It was Trump's fault!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 23, 2020, 02:13:56 pm
Let me be the first to say it....It was Trump's fault!
Go back to your safe-place snowflake /sarc

Noted.  "You were first," he said jealously.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 04:25:39 pm
The Epoch Times, they do call it the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. I am okay with that, I keep calling it coronavirus:

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Chinese Authorities Underreporting New Infections in Epicenter of Wuhan: Leaked Documents
By Nicole Hao
March 22, 2020 Updated: March 22, 2020

The Chinese regime has maintained that there have been no new domestic infections of the CCP virus in the entire country since March 18.

Local authorities say that the epidemic has leveled off, as they ease travel restrictions and tell people to return to work.

But the situation in the ground zero of China’s epidemic, the city of Wuhan, is much worse than what has been officially reported, according to a series of internal government documents obtained by The Epoch Times.

See more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-underreporting-new-infections-in-epicenter-of-wuhan-leaked-documents_3280343.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-underreporting-new-infections-in-epicenter-of-wuhan-leaked-documents_3280343.html)

So, probably better than even chance that what they report is accurate.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 23, 2020, 04:43:08 pm
The Epoch Times, they do call it the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. I am okay with that, I keep calling it coronavirus:

So, probably better than even chance that what they report is accurate.

Might be best to question anything not confirmed by multiple sources.  I'm even questioning the Fake News when they complain about Trump although I want to believe it, and they already have accurately and unbiasedly warned me about many things.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 04:44:03 pm
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China Business & Economy
China Is Pursuing a Post-Virus Plan to Overtake the US Economy, Report Says
By Chriss Street
March 23, 2020 Updated: March 23, 2020
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Amid the disruptions of the global COVID-19 pandemic, China is seizing the opportunity to “leapfrog” the U.S. economy, according to a report by Horizon Advisory, China expert and independent strategic consultancy firm. While other countries are scrambling to contain the pandemic, Beijing extends its soft power as it plans to ramp up production in strategic industries in order to control global supply chains.

The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) initial cover-up and delayed response over the CCP virus outbreak, which began in Wuhan city in November of last year, created an epidemic across China and unleashed the first global mass pandemic since the 1918 influenza.

The Trump administration’s three-year strategy to decouple China from American high-tech supply chains was succeeding. But chaos from COVID-19 lockdowns of U.S. businesses and schools have now presented the CCP with a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to achieve its goal of supplanting the United States as the world’s leading economic, diplomatic, and military power, according to Horizon Advisory.

Read more at:  https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-is-pursuing-a-post-virus-plan-to-overtake-the-us-economy-report-says_3279578.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-is-pursuing-a-post-virus-plan-to-overtake-the-us-economy-report-says_3279578.html)

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Chloroquine Is Not a Harmless Panacea for COVID-19
— There's a real safety concern with malaria drug

by Dan J. Vick MD, DHA, MBA, CPE March 23, 2020

During a March 19 press conference, President Trump announced that chloroquine, a drug long used to treat malaria, was going to be made available for those stricken with COVID-19. This followed news of preliminary research, including a limited study in Australia, in which chloroquine showed promise in eradicating the coronavirus in some patients. Chinese research published in February suggested efficacy and safety of chloroquine in treating pneumonia associated with COVID-19. A subsequent Chinese study involving the use of both chloroquine and its molecular cousin, hydroxychloroquine, determined that hydroxychloroquine is the more potent of these two drugs in its inhibition of this novel coronavirus.

More: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85552 (https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85552)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 04:57:41 pm
Might be best to question anything not confirmed by multiple sources.  I'm even questioning the Fake News when they complain about Trump although I want to believe it, and they already have accurately and unbiasedly warned me about many things.

I'm glad you asked that @Once-Ler , it's a learning moment and it has come up before in conversation.:

Conservapedia:
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The Epoch Times

The Epoch Times is a conservative, anti-communist American newspaper[1] found in 2000 by Chinese immigrants who fled persecution by the Communist regime. There are editions in over 30 countries which are published in more than 20 languages.[2] It is known for its reporting on the Spygate scandal in which Obama administration official and deep state agents spied on the Trump campaign.

Mainstream media smear campaign

In August 2019, NBC and MSNBC began a smear campaign slandering The Epoch Times. It published textbook fake news articles complete with claims from "unnamed" (i.e. non-existent) sources without providing any evidence about the organization, as well as dismissing the Epoch Times' reporting of the Spygate scandal as a "conspiracy theory" without providing any factual rebuttal, take it a step further when Rachel Maddow showed footage from an unrelated YouTube show about conspiracy theories, claiming that was content produced by The Epoch Times. NBC also reiterated propaganda talking points made by the Chinese Communist party on the Falun Gong spiritual practice banned in China, while downplaying the scale of the regime's crackdown on the practice.[1][3] [4][5]

Read more at:   https://www.conservapedia.com/The_Epoch_Times (https://www.conservapedia.com/The_Epoch_Times)

So, most sources on the right speak well of Epoch Times, like they might of, oh, perhaps Breitbart, Daily Caller, National Review and so on.

I'm not sure if articles posted at a minimum in National Review and Daily Caller are always pro-Trump.

Well, we have to watch the Chinese Communists, there's nobody more apt probably than Chinese who have fled from there actually.

Sometimes, when I've heard a statement like yours, I wonder, who is more apt to cover China than Chinese?? They are giving news and have a real connection with the country. Could they be wrong? Yes.

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The Epoch Times: How the anti-communist newspaper became an American necessity
 by JD Rucker   October 20, 2019

“Truth and Tradition.” This isn’t just a motto. It’s the way The Epoch Times operates on a daily basis. It’s also one of the reasons this news outlet has exploded in America and in 34 other countries despite being less than two decades old. But there’s one country in which you will never find a printed paper or access to their website. In Communist China, The Epoch Times is forbidden.

Founded in Atlanta in 2000 by Chinese Americans who had fled Communist China following a crackdown on Falun Gong, the paper quickly spread. It was international by 2003 and built a reputation as fearless reporters exposing communist propaganda that was being disseminated around the globe. This fearlessness came at a price as reporters in mainland China were arrested and jailed. Today, they still cover China from the relative safety of Hong Kong, but there are still great risks as Beijing’s reach goes well beyond the Chinese borders.

“The Epoch Times strives to revive the best in traditional journalism,” said publisher Stephen Gregory. “Our motto is ‘truth and tradition.’
 We deliver fact-based reporting free of the agendas that distort so much of journalism these days and seek to be non-partisan.”

Read more at: https://noqreport.com/2019/10/20/epoch-times-anti-communist-newspaper-became-american-necessity/ (https://noqreport.com/2019/10/20/epoch-times-anti-communist-newspaper-became-american-necessity/)

In fact, over the weekend, allegations have been made, not by Epoch Times, it was in the news, of Hillary and even NBC kowtowing to the Chinese Communist Party.

Brian Cates??    https://twitter.com/drawandstrike (https://twitter.com/drawandstrike)  Writes for Epoch Times. 

In fact, I'm not all that sure of who is with Epoch Times, I am pretty sure,  Larry Elder, "the Great Elderski" was having a show with them. I don't know all of the luminaries with them. That is not my main concern.

There is a possibility, some of what they publish is not easy to confirm via 3rd party, it's reporting on China after all.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 05:09:37 pm
Per this story:

"Nigeria records chloroquine poisoning after Trump endorses it for treatment"

Now, I see CNN may have posted something like this first. Trump only spoke about this days ago.

Still, there are a lot of drugs out there that also cause damage if not taken in the right way. So, for the timebeing, I would say, this story is questionable not The Epoch Times. Still, it is for us to vent the news.  This dealt with Nigeria. It's also jaw-dropping to hear complaints from people who made it clear, they didn't vote for Trump in the first place to be so unpleased when an article goes up like this. I don't remember exactly who said this or that, but I do remember a number of persons, unlike Moi who made it clear, they were not on the Trump train to begin with.  Where is that "Lighten up Francis" gif.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 23, 2020, 05:36:02 pm
Sometimes, when I've heard a statement like yours, I wonder, who is more apt to cover China than Chinese?? They are giving news and have a real connection with the country. Could they be wrong? Yes.
That sounds like a common sense approach.  I too have seen Epoch Times ads all over YouTube but it's likely due to the amount of time I spend viewing far-right / pro-trump propaganda videos...which is a joke and a point all in one.  Who is paying for their advertising budget?  They're like Bloomberg ads last month.

Thanks for your reply @TomSea

On a side note I often question how much I should praise you, because I know I am not TBR's most popular poster, but I hope I will offend no one by saying I'm grateful to be sharing this forum and this time with a man as thoughtful, informed, and questioning as you.

and holy smokes you are a patient moderator.

I keep come here because I know you have already linked the answer to my questions somewhere and you have diligently moved traffic to an appropriate thread, and now I will shut up so you can apologize to everyone else for my presence.   
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 05:57:54 pm
This article is over a month old BUT...Newsweek even lent their name to it, okay, they are MSM, gripe but they are still widely recognized and they actually did an article on the "possible" links of coronavirus and fertile males. Again, not peered reviewed but this disease really is only months old:
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Chinese Scientists Raise Concerns Over Potential Link Between Coronavirus and Male Fertility

Scientists in China have raised concerns the new coronavirus, named COVID-19, may affect male fertility. However, experts in the field has stressed to Newsweek that men should not be worried.

Chinese researchers were looking at existing data on a receptor that COVID-19 is thought to use to infect human cells. They found it is highly expressed in the cells of the testes and kidneys.

It is not clear if the data included any COVID-19 patients, and does not feature data on the fertility of those who have caught the infection.

More:  https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235 (https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-scientists-coronavirus-male-fertility-1488235)

So not proven but if this happened, this would be really bad.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: 240B on March 23, 2020, 06:10:11 pm
So think about this for a minute. If the Chinese wanted to reduce their population how would they do this.
They would start with old and the infirm. And then they would reduce fertility rates.
If this is not what is called a selective bioweapon, it certainly could be.
Designed to reduce the population of Earth in a narrow and selective way.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 06:12:57 pm
OLYMPICS POSTPONED

https://www.insider.com/2020-tokyo-olympics-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-per-dick-pound-2020-3?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=referral (https://www.insider.com/2020-tokyo-olympics-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-per-dick-pound-2020-3?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=referral)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 23, 2020, 06:16:00 pm
OLYMPICS POSTPONED

https://www.insider.com/2020-tokyo-olympics-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-per-dick-pound-2020-3?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=referral (https://www.insider.com/2020-tokyo-olympics-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-per-dick-pound-2020-3?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=referral)

I thought that might happen.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 23, 2020, 06:21:48 pm
So think about this for a minute. If the Chinese wanted to reduce their population how would they do this.
They would start with old and the infirm. And then they would reduce fertility rates.
If this is not what is called a selective bioweapon, it certainly could be.
Designed to reduce the population of Earth in a narrow and selective way.

Absolutely correct, that's been discussed, it seems even Bill Gates discussed the threats of viruses in 2015. I"m not following what he said closely but here's an article on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/bill-gates-warned-us-of-a-covid-19-like-pandemic-e2-80-94-watch-his-ted-talk-from-2015/ar-BB11k0Bs (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/bill-gates-warned-us-of-a-covid-19-like-pandemic-e2-80-94-watch-his-ted-talk-from-2015/ar-BB11k0Bs)
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“If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it’s likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war,” Gates said during the Ted Talk. “Not missiles, but microbes.”

Those interested can track this down.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 24, 2020, 02:06:52 am
IRAN:
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Iranian Officials Stole More Than $1 Billion in Humanitarian Coronavirus Funds, Pompeo Says

Tehran uses pandemic to spread anti-U.S. propaganda

Adam Kredo - March 23, 2020 2:00 PM

Iranian regime officials stole more than $1 billion in humanitarian funds meant to be used to help the country's people fight the spread of coronavirus, according to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

European countries intended for more than $1 billion cash for medical supplies to go to the Iranian people, who have been ravaged by the virus. But American officials say regime leaders instead pocketed the money and are now using it to protect themselves from the virus as it spreads throughout the population. This includes hoarding medical supplies that were meant to aid Iranian citizens.

Multiple regional reports have showed that before and since the virus began spreading, Iranian leaders stole funds purposed directly to support the ailing Iranian people.

More:  https://freebeacon.com/national-security/iranian-officials-stole-more-than-1-billion-in-coronavirus-funds-pompeo-says/ (https://freebeacon.com/national-security/iranian-officials-stole-more-than-1-billion-in-coronavirus-funds-pompeo-says/)

The story has been in the news for about a week But this is the first time, the Secretary of State, Pompeo said it. A credible voice.


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 Pompeo Says Iran Brought in Virus through Continued Flights to China

by Naharnet Newsdesk

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Monday accused Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of lying about the coronavirus pandemic as the Supreme Leader rejected U.S. assistance for his hard-hit country.

In a televised address Sunday, Khamenei described the United States as "charlatans" and charged that Washington could bring in a drug to keep the virus alive.

Pompeo in a statement also used loaded language, accusing "Iran's chief terror airline" Mahan Air of bringing in what he called the "Wuhan virus" through its continued flights to China.

More:  http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/270369-pompeo-says-iran-brought-in-virus-through-continued-flights-to-china (http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/270369-pompeo-says-iran-brought-in-virus-through-continued-flights-to-china)
   
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 24, 2020, 02:29:52 am
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China-US News
US Lawmakers Call on Twitter to Bar Chinese Communist Party Accounts Over Virus Disinformation
By Eva Fu
March 21, 2020 Updated: March 22, 2020

Two Republican lawmakers are urging Twitter to ban Chinese Communist Party officials from the social media platform in response to the regime’s aggressive propaganda campaign to “whitewash” its coverup of the outbreak.

“While the coronavirus pandemic is afflicting families, governments, and markets around the world, the Chinese Communist Party is waging a massive propaganda campaign to rewrite the history of COVID-19 and whitewash the Party’s lies,” wrote Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) in a March 20 letter to Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey.

Twitter is censored in China, but dozens of Chinese diplomats, embassies, and consulates are active on the platform, pushing state-sanctioned narratives about the outbreak.

Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-lawmakers-call-on-twitter-to-bar-chinese-communist-party-accounts_3281153.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-lawmakers-call-on-twitter-to-bar-chinese-communist-party-accounts_3281153.html)

Taiwan:

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Virus Outbreak: Controls, quarantines working: Chen
MORE CASES EXPECTED: Many young Taiwanese would be returning home over the next two weeks, as schools in many nations closed, the health minister said

    By Lee I-chia / Staff reporter

Twenty-six new COVID-19 cases were confirmed yesterday, including five clusters, and all but one were imported, bringing Taiwan’s total number to 195, as border controls and home quarantine measures prove their effectiveness, the head of the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) said.

Twelve of the new cases were in people tested at airports upon their return, 11 were in people under home quarantine and two were people who tested positive after seeking medical treatment, Minister of Health and Welfare Chen Shih-chung (陳時中), who heads the center, said at its daily news conference.

Read more at: https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/24/2003733257 (https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/24/2003733257)

Even with Taiwan's hard work, new cases come in, so sure (sarcasm), China is not getting new ones.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 24, 2020, 03:11:23 am
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South Korea’s Coronavirus Plan Is Working, Can the World Copy It?
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March 23, 2020 07:20 AM
Women, wearing masks to prevent contracting the coronavirus, following the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), walk
Women, wearing masks to prevent contracting COVID-19 following the outbreak of the coronavirus disease, walk in a shopping district in Seoul, South Korea, March 23, 2020.

SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA - It was Thursday morning, and my phone buzzed with a text message from South Korea’s emergency alert system, as it has hundreds of times during the coronavirus outbreak. 

Someone in my Seoul neighborhood — a 35-year-old Polish male — had tested positive. Clicking a link to a government website revealed an astonishing level of detail about the man’s activities over the previous two days. 

After arriving at Seoul’s Incheon airport at about 9:00 a.m., the man took an express train to my local metro station, where, wearing a mask, he shopped at a nearby E-Mart grocery store. He then returned home, before getting dinner five hours later at an Italian restaurant in Seoul’s Itaewon neighborhood popular with foreigners. He was still wearing a mask, but took it off while eating, the message adds. 

More at: https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/south-koreas-coronavirus-plan-working-can-world-copy-it (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/south-koreas-coronavirus-plan-working-can-world-copy-it)

The next story raises the eyebrows, wow....

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Latest coronavirus update from Cuban authorities: 40 cases confirmed, 531 others hospitalized, 37,888 suspected
March 23, 2020 by Carlos Eire

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Figures from the Ministry of Public Health — which can never be trusted, due to its many efforts to lie to the public repeatedly — are alarming.

So far, the confirmed cases are attributed to individuals who brought the plague to Cuba from abroad,

Castro, Inc continues to claim that transmission from Cuban to Cuban on the island is not taking place. And, according to them, some provinces remain unaffected.

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Cuban shoppers at Cuatro Caminos market, Havana today… only one can be seen wearing a surgical mask.. try to find him

Read more at: https://babalublog.com/2020/03/23/latest-coronavirus-update-from-cuban-authorities-40-cases-confirmed-531-others-hospitalized-37888-suspected/ (https://babalublog.com/2020/03/23/latest-coronavirus-update-from-cuban-authorities-40-cases-confirmed-531-others-hospitalized-37888-suspected/)

If all of this is true, looks like Cuba would be in for some very difficult times.  Babalu Blog sourced this from Radio Marti.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 24, 2020, 03:18:28 am
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Exclusive: Elite hackers target WHO as coronavirus cyberattacks spike
Raphael Satter, Jack Stubbs, Christopher Bing

WASHINGTON/LONDON (Reuters) - Elite hackers tried to break into the World Health Organization earlier this month, sources told Reuters, part of what a senior agency official said was a more than two-fold increase in cyberattacks.

WHO Chief Information Security Officer Flavio Aggio said the identity of the hackers was unclear and the effort was unsuccessful. But he warned that hacking attempts against the agency and its partners have soared as they battle to contain the coronavirus, which has killed more than 15,000 worldwide.

The attempted break-in at the WHO was first flagged to Reuters by Alexander Urbelis, a cybersecurity expert and attorney with the New York-based Blackstone Law Group, which tracks suspicious internet domain registration activity.

Read more at:    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-hack-exclusive/exclusive-elite-hackers-target-who-as-coronavirus-cyberattacks-spike-idUSKBN21A3BN (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-hack-exclusive/exclusive-elite-hackers-target-who-as-coronavirus-cyberattacks-spike-idUSKBN21A3BN)

See Reuters WORLD news at this link, if one is interested,:  https://www.reuters.com/news/world (https://www.reuters.com/news/world)

Too many stories to post.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 24, 2020, 09:44:10 am
Italy records smaller increase in coronavirus cases for second day
Data from the civil protection agency on Monday showed 4,789 new cases, nearly 700 fewer than the increase of 5,560 reported on Sunday. The number of deaths also did not rise by as much. There were just over 600 registered on Monday compared with 651 on Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/italy-records-smaller-increase-in-coronavirus-cases-for-second-day/ar-BB11AH4M (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/italy-records-smaller-increase-in-coronavirus-cases-for-second-day/ar-BB11AH4M)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 24, 2020, 05:11:54 pm
India, Caravan magazine, it is from over there, magazine article:

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Underlying Conditions
India’s coronavirus crisis was decades in the making
Vidya Krishnan    23 March 2020

The global coronavirus crisis has been called many things: a pandemic, an unprecedented crisis, a re-run of sorts of the Spanish flu’s decimation of the human population just over a century ago. In India, from the eyes of anyone who studies public health, it is also a catastrophe that has been in the making for decades, perhaps since as far back as Independence.

In weeks of reporting since India saw its first COVID-19 cases and deaths, I am yet to speak with an epidemiologist or infectious-disease expert who is surprised that the country is utterly unprepared for what awaits us—which, they all agree, is a surge of infections and resulting deaths.

One assessment published in a medical journal in January reckoned that India had 2.3 ICU beds per 100,000 people. The medical system in Iran, for which the assessment put the figure at 4.6, is overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases. Experts in the United States, where the ratio of ICU beds was reckoned to be more than six times higher, are warning that it will soon run out of ICU beds too. India has less than one allopathic doctor per thousand people—the minimum recommended by the World Health Organisation. As of 2016, the Indian Medical Association was showing a shortage of tens of thousands of critical-care specialists. The dominant share of doctors and beds are in the private healthcare sector, which has enormous leeway to set its own prices and make its own rules—and to exploit both to put profits before patients.

Read more at: https://caravanmagazine.in/health/india-coronavirus-crisis-was-in-the-making (https://caravanmagazine.in/health/india-coronavirus-crisis-was-in-the-making)
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Venezuelan doctors brace for coronavirus: 'I tried to get a surgical mask. It's double my monthly salary'

A Venezuelan medic tried to buy a surgical mask, only to find it was selling for $35 - and she earns $15 a month.
By Harriet Alexander New York 22 March 2020 • 5:55pm

Venezuela’s doctors and nurses are bracing themselves for the impact of coronavirus amid warnings that there will be "carnage" across the country if the virus takes hold.

The country's healthcare system is already facing a desperate shortage of staff and medical supplies after years of economic crisis.

One nurse in Barinas state told the Telegraph that she had been searching her hometown for a face mask, but the only one she could find cost $35 (£30). Her monthly salary is $15.

More at:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/22/venezuelan-doctors-brace-coronavirus-tried-get-surgical-mask/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/22/venezuelan-doctors-brace-coronavirus-tried-get-surgical-mask/)

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As Bolsonaro flouts warnings, coronavirus spreads in Brazil
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-bolsonaro-i/as-bolsonaro-flouts-warnings-coronavirus-spreads-in-brazil-idUSKBN21B1AX (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-bolsonaro-i/as-bolsonaro-flouts-warnings-coronavirus-spreads-in-brazil-idUSKBN21B1AX)

Ukraine:

Ukraine President Zelensky  asks Chinese Government to provide Ukraine with extra medical aid.
https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/zelensky-asks-chinese-government-to-provide-ukraine-with-extra-medical-adi-49825.html (https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/zelensky-asks-chinese-government-to-provide-ukraine-with-extra-medical-adi-49825.html)

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Oksana Marchenko Charity Foundation donates unique kit to detect coronavirus with extreme accuracy to Kyiv Heart Institute
The system also analyzes the donor organs, determines whether they survive or not
https://112.international/society/oksana-marchenko-charity-foundation-donates-unique-kit-to-detect-coronavirus-with-extreme-accuracy-to-kyiv-heart-institute-49821.html (https://112.international/society/oksana-marchenko-charity-foundation-donates-unique-kit-to-detect-coronavirus-with-extreme-accuracy-to-kyiv-heart-institute-49821.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 25, 2020, 03:58:05 am
Netherlands was trying that "herd immunity" concept, excerpt:

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Jerusalem Post Diaspora
What the Netherlands' lax guidelines for coronavirus could mean for Jews
Prime Minister Mark Rutte has essentially argued that social distancing will only prolong the disastrous effects of the virus.
By CNAAN LIPHSHIZ/JTA   MARCH 25, 2020

...

Prime Minister Mark Rutte has essentially argued that social distancing will only prolong the disastrous effects of the virus. He believes — supposedly based on the knowledge of medical professionals — that the Dutch population should be somewhat exposed to the virus so that immunity can be formed and society can return to a sense of normalcy as quickly as possible.

The Dutch government did shut down schools, cafes, movie theaters, houses of worship and many offices, but we are still free here to move around, shop, pick up takeout and receive packages in the mail.
Our extensive public transportation network hasn’t skipped a beat.

Sweden has a similarly lax policy. The United Kingdom, whose prime minister, Boris Johnson, had adhered to the same “herd immunity” policy as Rutte, introduced stricter measures on Monday, telling residents to stay home and ordering shops selling non-essential goods to shutter. Johnson on Monday finally ordered a full lockdown.

See article at: https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/What-the-Netherlands-lax-guidelines-for-coronavirus-could-mean-for-Jews-622227 (https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/What-the-Netherlands-lax-guidelines-for-coronavirus-could-mean-for-Jews-622227)

2 days ago:
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Confirmed coronavirus infections in Netherlands rise 13%, 34 new deaths

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The number of confirmed coronavirus infections in the Netherlands increased by 13% from a day earlier and 34 more people died, Dutch health authorities said on Monday.

See more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-tally/confirmed-coronavirus-infections-in-netherlands-rise-13-34-new-deaths-idUSKBN21A2AO (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-tally/confirmed-coronavirus-infections-in-netherlands-rise-13-34-new-deaths-idUSKBN21A2AO)

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The Manila Times
Netherlands destroys millions of tulips
Agence France-Presse

NAALDWIJK: It’s tulip season in The Netherlands but this year growers are destroying millions of flowers a day, in unprecedented scenes as the coronavirus pandemic has cut demand.

Mountains of tulips, roses, chrysanthemums and other flowers destined for destruction have been waiting for the last week in the world’s biggest flower market.

Brightly colored blooms that might normally have been destined for a romantic gesture or Mothers Day are scooped up by diggers and then dumped in huge skips.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/netherlands-destroys-millions-of-tulips/ar-BB11vZos (https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/netherlands-destroys-millions-of-tulips/ar-BB11vZos)

So, the Netherlands is taking a different approach though, with some precautions, the Reuters article reads the average age of those who have died is 82 in Netherlands, actually one of the articles goes ahead and calls the country "Holland" though, I think technically, that's just a part of the nation.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 25, 2020, 04:00:50 am
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Putin dons hazmat suit, as Russia admits virus numbers likely far higher
Experts found Russia's coronavirus numbers puzzling and some saw a cover-up.
By   Patrick Reevell
March 24, 2020, 11:45 AM

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 Russia’s President Vladimir Putin donned a hazmat suit and breathing mask during a visit to a hospital housing coronavirus patients in Moscow on Tuesday, as the Russian government signalled the virus outbreak is becoming increasingly serious in the country.

Video aired on state media showed Putin being helped into the yellow suit by doctors at the Kommunarka infectious diseases hospital, which has been designated to treat coronavirus cases and where there are currently over 400 patients being treated for the illness.

Read more at: https://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-dons-hazmat-suit-russia-admits-virus-numbers/story?id=69768452 (https://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-dons-hazmat-suit-russia-admits-virus-numbers/story?id=69768452)

Trump should try that, it'd look sharp!

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World News
March 24, 2020 / 10:01 AM / Updated 9 hours ago
Modi puts all of India under lockdown for 21 days to fight coronavirus

MUMBAI (Reuters) - Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Tuesday the government would impose a nationwide lockdown from midnight for 21 days to stem the spread of the coronavirus.

“There will be a total ban on venturing out of your homes,” Modi said in a televised address.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-modi-idUSKBN21B2BW (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-modi-idUSKBN21B2BW)

Big lockdown, can't even leave their homes??  1.3 billion, I think this was already posted.
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Brenda Stoter Boscolo
@BrendaStoter
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Mar 23
Italian mayor addresses his citizens about their irresponsible behavior (in a very Italian way). “Doing your hair?! Why do you need this at the moment? A barbecue?! Are you kidding me? You are making a joke out of your lives!”

More:  https://twitter.com/BrendaStoter/status/1242138680334131201 (https://twitter.com/BrendaStoter/status/1242138680334131201)



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 25, 2020, 04:27:27 am
Trump should try that, it'd look sharp!
Thanx for the photo @TomSea
I think Putin looks goofy in that suit.  I'd love to see President Trump in one of those too. 
Trump is a big guy so his hazmat suit will likely look like the guy to his left and tighter ( because they don't make form fitting big and tall suits) and yellow. 
Think Big Bird. 
Then I can Photoshop him in here
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 25, 2020, 05:30:43 am
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1242677857240993794
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Manu Raju @mkraju
#BREAKING: The White House and Senate leaders struck a major deal early Wednesday morning over a $2-trillion package to provide a jolt to an economy struggling amid the coronavirus pandemic, capping days of marathon negotiations that produced the far-reaching measure.
12:01 AM · Mar 25, 2020

“Ladies and gentleman, we are done," White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland said right before 1am after leaving Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's office following negotiations that have spanned around the clock since last Friday. "We have a deal."

Ueland: “We have a deal ... Much of the work on bill text has been completed. And I’m hopeful that over the next few hours we’ll finish what’s left and be able to circulate it early in the morning.”

I have not seen the bill but I hope I'm getting $3,000 and if Planned Parenthood gets some of the Trump bailout, I hope the NRA does too.  Everybody is happy.  God Bless America.

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: corbe on March 25, 2020, 03:04:27 pm
   Jackson Browne has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-jackson-browne-20200325-rpz3g3vvqzdwnhkb4tplyuwoem-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-jackson-browne-20200325-rpz3g3vvqzdwnhkb4tplyuwoem-story.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 25, 2020, 03:06:50 pm
   Jackson Browne has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-jackson-browne-20200325-rpz3g3vvqzdwnhkb4tplyuwoem-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-jackson-browne-20200325-rpz3g3vvqzdwnhkb4tplyuwoem-story.html)

He's been running on empty for years.  Good thing I saturated before using.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 25, 2020, 03:51:42 pm
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Gaza Preacher Praises Allah for Infecting Israelis, Americans -- Day Before First Cases Reported in Gaza

(CNSNews.com) – A preacher told worshipers in Gaza’s largest mosque on Friday that Allah sent the coronavirus to inflict suffering on Israelis, Americans and those who plot against the Al-Aqsa mosque, while protecting Palestinians.

While Israeli streets were deserted as a result of lockdown precautions, said Jamil al-Mutawa, the mosque he was preaching in – the White Mosque in Gaza City – was full.

“Look how empty their streets are and look how crowded this mosque is,” he said, in comments translated by the East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). “Who is it that has given us security and terrified them? Who is it that has protected us and harmed them? It is Allah!”

More: https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/patrick-goodenough/gaza-preacher-praises-allah-infecting-israelis-americans (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/patrick-goodenough/gaza-preacher-praises-allah-infecting-israelis-americans)

Bitter and besides, Islamic nation, Iran has been torn apart by the virus.

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Squawking parrot warns world in Hebrew: 'Coronavirus! Don't go out!'
Zehava Shabat from the northern city of Kiryat Shmona took advantage of the recent 'stay at home' order to teach their 22-month-old grey parrot Luca about the dangers of COVID-19
Reuters |
Published: 03.24.20 , 17:54
A talking parrot in Israel has a playful message for a world gripped by the coronavirus crisis: "Don't go out!"
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Read more at: https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/SkHeqiD8U?fbclid=IwAR0yzIXv8q6tmtdUMOk5PePL4OlZYKvNVF_C2CrlbEFmyvKT1HjwiVj7YPo (https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/SkHeqiD8U?fbclid=IwAR0yzIXv8q6tmtdUMOk5PePL4OlZYKvNVF_C2CrlbEFmyvKT1HjwiVj7YPo)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 25, 2020, 04:01:28 pm
Just in case our government inexplicably fails us.
DIY Respirator #2 (improved version)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODJN3UHluA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODJN3UHluA#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 25, 2020, 04:18:19 pm
This isn't fun, extending the lockdown.
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Ukrainian govt prolongs lockdown in Ukraine for 30 days
Source : 112 Ukraine
The decision has been made today, on March 25
13:55, 25 March 2020

The Cabinet of Ministers has prolonged a lockdown across the country for 30 days. The meeting was broadcasted by 112 Ukraine TV Channel.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib5D6EaB_I8#)

More at:  https://112.international/politics/ukrainian-govt-introduces-30-day-emergency-situation-in-ukraine-49846.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel (https://112.international/politics/ukrainian-govt-introduces-30-day-emergency-situation-in-ukraine-49846.html?utm_source=Intern&utm_campaign=News&utm_medium=Channel)

What the heck!

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Google allocates $500,000 to Ukraine for information campaign against Covid-19
Source : 112 Ukraine
These funds will help to put the sources of the Healthcare Ministry to top results of the search
17:39, 25 March 2020

https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/google-allocates-500000-to-ukraine-for-information-campaign-against-covid-19-49856.html (https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/google-allocates-500000-to-ukraine-for-information-campaign-against-covid-19-49856.html)

It's great if people are helping those in need but they are talking about websearches and stuff in the article? Can't people do that on their own?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 25, 2020, 04:59:43 pm
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Using the Name ‘CCP Virus’ Holds Chinese Regime Responsible for Global Crisis, Expert Says
By Cathy He   March 24, 2020
https://www.ntd.com/using-the-name-ccp-virus-holds-chinese-regime-responsible-for-global-crisis-expert-says_448195.html (https://www.ntd.com/using-the-name-ccp-virus-holds-chinese-regime-responsible-for-global-crisis-expert-says_448195.html)

I can actually go along with this but I call it the coronavirus anyway.

Some cross posting from the other thread, this  next story only, per Spalding, we are already in World War III:

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By The New Epoch
Contributor profile | More stories
General Robert Spalding - China Has Started World War 3
Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:49

China is the only country fighting a truly 21st century war. For decades the Chinese Communist Party has been quietly invading the United States while America’s elite slept. World War 3 has already begun. And America might be losing. Retired Air Force Brigadier, General Robert Spalding joins me to talk about his new book Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-ZcsymQ2fQ#)

More:  https://beforeitsnews.com/china/2019/11/general-robert-spalding-china-has-started-world-war-3-2458260.html (https://beforeitsnews.com/china/2019/11/general-robert-spalding-china-has-started-world-war-3-2458260.html)

This is from early March. 3-2-2020:

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Did the Chinese government create coronavirus?
    By Curt Mercadante
    March 2, 2020

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Read more at:  https://www.curtmercadante.com/did-the-chinese-government-create-coronavirus/ (https://www.curtmercadante.com/did-the-chinese-government-create-coronavirus/)

Note, Spalding does not say they created it but he does emphasize how the Chinese Communist Government blocked the UN, WHO, etc. at first, on finding out about this virus.
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A Frankenstein monster devouring the world

By Cliff Kincaid
March 23, 2020

In another Trump-bashing piece in the Washington Post, a professor noted, in passing, that "several Chinese labs participated more than 20 years ago in the human genome project," as if this were a good thing. In fact, the Human Genome Project (HGP) opened the door to a Communist Frankenstein project of human genetic modification and manipulation. The Chinese Reds are the new Nazis.

If there is anything to be learned from this disaster, it is that America must become self-sufficient in terms of medicine and medical production capabilities and avoid entanglements with China. President Trump was moving in the direction of America-first policies before the Chinese unleashed their virus on the world.

Assuming that President Trump (with the reluctant support of congressional Democrats) can save our nation from an economic apocalypse, it will be necessary for America to remain on guard against even more Chinese biological threats. And one of the most significant is Chinese communist scientific and genetic manipulation of what it means to be human. "China is fast becoming the world capital of controversial science," notes one report.

More:   http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/200323 (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/200323)

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https://www.curtmercadante.com/did-the-chinese-government-create-coronavirus/

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JS-IjVF9Lw#)

Not meaning to just spam this, this is good info, judge for yourself.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 25, 2020, 05:32:51 pm
Not exactly an update, but an interesting perspective on how time doesn't change people....

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 25, 2020, 06:00:13 pm
Not exactly an update, but an interesting perspective on how time doesn't change people....

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Very cool angle.  Thanx @musiclady
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 25, 2020, 09:02:24 pm
Iran And Italy Are Paying A Hefty Price For Close Ties With Communist China

Iran and Italy's economies are worsening, and their people are suffering most in this Wuhan virus outbreak — all because of their leaders’ short-sighted and foolish decisions.

The coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China, has now swept through 126 countries, infected close to 170,000 people worldwide, and is responsible for more than 6,400 deaths as of March 15. China is leading the world in the number of confirmed cases and deaths. What many people find shocking is that Italy and Iran are the second- and third-hardest hit nations in this outbreak.

By any common-sense measure, both countries should have much lower numbers of confirmed cases and deaths because they are geographically far from the epicenter of the outbreak. The reason these two countries are suffering the most outside China is mainly due to their close ties with Beijing, primarily through the “One Belt and One Road” (OBOR) initiative.

OBOR is Beijing’s foreign policy play disguised as infrastructure investment. Here’s how it works: China and country X agree to do an infrastructure project in country X. Country X has to borrow from a Chinese bank to finance the project. A contract is always awarded to Chinese companies, which then bring supplies and Chinese employees to country X to build the project. Clearly, the country that benefits most from this initiative is China.

The OBOR provides new markets and consistent demand for China’s goods and services, creates employment opportunities for Chinese workers, and gives China access to strategically important locations and natural resources. Beijing’s real objective is to leverage its newly gained financial power to greatly expand its geopolitical influence as well as its economic and military footing from Asia to Europe and Africa.

While this initiative has worked out well for China’s strategic interests, it hasn’t done the same for participating countries. At least eight countries that signed on the OBOR initiative are so indebted to the Chinese that they had to hand over their strategic assets to China to offset their debt. Despite these worrisome precedents, leaders in both Italy and Iran eagerly signed up to OBOR in 2019, hoping the red capital from Communist China would rescue their nations from economic woes. Now they are paying a dear price for it...


Excerpted from: https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/iran-and-italy-are-paying-a-hefty-price-for-close-ties-with-communist-china/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on March 25, 2020, 09:06:52 pm
Just in case our government inexplicably fails us.
DIY Respirator #2 (improved version)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODJN3UHluA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODJN3UHluA#)

To heck with a filter mask. If I had those skills I’d scare up some scotch tape & popsicle sticks and build me an ICU bed.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 02:45:22 am
Here is Robert Spalding again:
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Using the Name ‘CCP Virus’ Holds Chinese Regime Responsible for Global Crisis, Expert Says
By Cathy He   March 24, 2020

“It’s clearly not because of China or the Chinese people that we’re dealing with a global pandemic,” said Robert Spalding, former senior director for strategy at the White House National Security Council and author of “Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept,” in an interview with The Epoch Times.

“It’s because of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).”

...

Spalding said it’s important to distinguish between the Chinese regime and Chinese people, and cast light on the fact that the “regime’s secrecy and control is the reason that we are dealing with a pandemic today, which has caused trillions of dollars in economic destruction across the globe.”

Read more at:  https://www.ntd.com/using-the-name-ccp-virus-holds-chinese-regime-responsible-for-global-crisis-expert-says_448195.html (https://www.ntd.com/using-the-name-ccp-virus-holds-chinese-regime-responsible-for-global-crisis-expert-says_448195.html)

See full article.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 04:08:05 am
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China Is Lashing Out Because Wuhan Flu Has Unmasked It To The World
Communist China’s leaders are afraid because they feel a parallel to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, which hardened everyone’s resolve and awakened a sleeping giant.
By Sumantra Maitra
March 24, 2020

The Chinese communists are afraid. You might not guess it from the invertebrate and borderline anti-national corporate media parroting Chinese state propaganda, but they are. Beijing is shaken. Their dream of dominating the globe eventually, with the slow overstretch and collapse of the Pax Americana, was considered a matter of destiny.

Then suddenly, it all was shaken. A combination of incompetence, criminal negligence, and totalitarian suppression of a new devastating virus originating from the raw meat and wet markets of interior China let it rage through the globe.

The world’s first postmodern global pandemic, preventable but not prevented, has so far already caused the deaths of more than 13,000 people, torched all the major power centers, decimated the service sector, pushed the global economy to the brink of an unprecedented recession, devastated the stock market, closed the borders of all the great powers, ended global cooperation on vaccines, and rocked the boat of globalisation in ways unthinkable since the peak days of the autarkic 1930s. If this is the hegemonic order of the future superpower, then civilization is doomed.

More:  https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/24/china-is-lashing-out-because-wuhan-flu-has-unmasked-it-to-the-world/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 26, 2020, 04:17:27 am
As long as the Chinese people tolerate their rulers they are responsible for what they've done.

The regime's power comes from the people who do its bidding.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 11:24:25 am
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China, U.S. to set aside differences in G20 coronavirus summit: SCMP

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and the United States are expected to call a timeout on their coronavirus blame game and focus on the challenges of the pandemic when leaders of the G20 nations hold talks via video conference on Thursday, the South China Morning Post said.

The virus has spread around the globe, infecting more than 470,000 people and killing more than 20,000, since it emerged in central China late last year.

The leaders are expected to agree that the outbreak is a threat to humanity and will set up a mechanism to share information and experiences in fighting the disease, the paper said, citing a draft statement to be discussed at the summit.

More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-g20-differences/china-u-s-to-set-aside-differences-in-g20-coronavirus-summit-scmp-idUSKBN21D0CB (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-g20-differences/china-u-s-to-set-aside-differences-in-g20-coronavirus-summit-scmp-idUSKBN21D0CB)

Taiwan, sounds like someone broke the quarantined, fined.... $32,000+ American.


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Virus Outbreak: Taipei quarantine breaker found, fined NT$1 million

    By Lee I-chia / Staff reporter

A Taipei resident who had breached his home quarantine order was found on Tuesday night in an Internet cafe and fined NT$1 million (US$32,976), Taipei Deputy Mayor Vivian Huang (黃珊珊) said yesterday, as the Taipei City Government announced a short-term COVID-19 relief plan.

Huang on Tuesday afternoon publicized the name of the man, Chen Tse (陳冊), who on Saturday last week returned from Beijing and was ordered to undergo 14-day home quarantine.

However, city monitoring officials were unable to contact him by mobile phone or at his home.

Read more at:  https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/26/2003733389 (https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/26/2003733389)

Front page image, Taipei Times:
(https://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2020/03/26/thumbs/p01-200326-aaa3.jpg)

Somewhere I read this was a crisis like the 1939 invasion of Europe, I'm not sure if it is the biggest crisis since. It's hard to put in perspective.

Also, per Robert Spalding's words, I'd just chime in and say, it's not the people who concealed the truth, there were whistle blowers.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 11:31:56 am
Oh, here is more on the fertility issue. I have no idea what to make of that....
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 Wuhan doctors plan long-term look at coronavirus impact on male sex hormone


    Blood samples from Covid-19 patients in small-scale study indicate what could be a testicle malfunction, researchers say
    Results ‘not conclusive and require further investigation’


Stephen Chen in Beijing      Published: 6:00pm, 26 Mar, 2020

Doctors in the central Chinese city of Wuhan plan to embark on a long-term study of the effects of the coronavirus
on the male reproductive system, building on small-scale research indicating that the pathogen could affect sex hormone levels in men.

Though still preliminary and not peer reviewed, the study is the first clinical observation of the potential impact of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, on the male reproductive system, especially among younger groups.

In a paper published on the preprint research platform medRxiv.org, the researchers – from Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University and the Hubei Clinical Research Centre for Prenatal Diagnosis and Birth Health – said they analysed blood samples from 81 men aged 20 to 54 who tested positive for the coronavirus and were hospitalised in January.

Read more at:  https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3077113/wuhan-doctors-plan-long-term-look-coronavirus-impact-male-sex (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3077113/wuhan-doctors-plan-long-term-look-coronavirus-impact-male-sex)

If there was any kind of issue, the more important for avoiding it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: EdinVA on March 26, 2020, 11:38:07 am
Taiwan, sounds like someone broke the quarantined, fined.... $32,000+ American.


Front page image, Taipei Times:
(https://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2020/03/26/thumbs/p01-200326-aaa3.jpg)

Somewhere I read this was a crisis like the 1939 invasion of Europe, I'm not sure if it is the biggest crisis since. It's hard to put in perspective.

Also, per Robert Spalding's words, I'd just chime in and say, it's not the people who concealed the truth, there were whistle blowers.

Since he was at the internet cafe, I am assuming it was open and the people running it should have been fined also?
Something missing here...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 11:44:09 am
Since he was at the internet cafe, I am assuming it was open and the people running it should have been fined also?
Something missing here...

But the man was quarantined because he came back from China, Beijing... so maybe the internet cafe was not quarantined.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 26, 2020, 01:59:14 pm
This is going to be shorter and faster than people think

JoNova 3/26/2020

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/this-is-going-to-be-shorter-and-faster-than-people-think/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/this-is-going-to-be-shorter-and-faster-than-people-think/)

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Option three gathers wings

Finally the world is tossing out the pointless old Influenza Pandemic plan that called for six months of slow bleeding. Leaders are waking up to the high speed, hard and fast option. Tonight 20% of the worlds’ population are crushing that curve with a full lockdown because it’s the only option. 1.3 billion people in India are now in a three week home quarantine, joining France, Italy, China, Poland, Spain, Belgium, the United Kingdom, New York, California, South Africa, Colombia, Bolivia, Jordan and Tunisia and New Zealand. Sadly half a million people (at least) have caught Covid-19 and there will be another few doublings before the new lockdowns even start to show on the graphs.

The worst of this will hopefully be over in four to six weeks. Not six months. The sooner we start the better. It’s not the end of the world to mind the kids at home (parents do it every school holidays).

The difference between Covid-19 and Influenza is that this disease is so awful we can afford (we have to afford) to eradicate it — or at the very least — deal with it, find a treatment, a cure, a vaccine. Everyone thinks we can’t possibly stop Influenza, but the truth is, if it hurt this much, we could. We’d find a way. We don’t because the price is just too high.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 26, 2020, 02:05:25 pm
Trump might yet pull off a gamechanger thanks to chloroquine

JoNova 3/26/2020

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/trump-might-yet-pull-off-a-gamechanger-thanks-to-chloroquine/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/trump-might-yet-pull-off-a-gamechanger-thanks-to-chloroquine/)

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A High Stakes Game

If the trials of the anti-malarial chloroquine (or variants) work, Trump will get away with all the understatements he said in February.

On twitter the combination of Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are known as #TrumpPills. The trials started Tuesday. We don’t know the results but doctors are buying up pharmacy stocks across the US — presumably to protect themselves (hopefully).

As the death tolls mounts, the Democrats are surely planning to put all the Trump quotes like “it’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle” on high rotation leading up to the election. But if the trials of anti-viral agents bring good news, he can reframe the past as if he was betting on that in February. (Perhaps he was?)

Key takeaway: “Our experience suggests that hydroxychloroquine, with or without a Z-Pak, should be a first-line treatment. Unfortunately, there is already a shortage of hydroxychloroquine.

The whole world will be watching these results. Spare a thought for Indonesia which has ordered 3 million chloroquine tablets in a population of 260 million people and where people are falling in the streets today.

But if it’s not Chloroquine, there are plenty of other possibles: like blood plasma from survivors.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DCPatriot on March 26, 2020, 02:16:29 pm
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 26, 2020, 03:20:38 pm
Somewhere along the way, there were Twitter posts regarding a New York health official stating Coronavirus concerns were "misinformation" and telling people to enjoy traditional celebrations in Chinatown.  I can't seem to find it.

Can anyone direct me to the right link?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 03:23:04 pm
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Coronavirus: Australia reverses 30 minute hair appointment rule

Australia has reversed a decision to limit hairdressing appointments to just 30 minutes following a backlash.

However, while appointments can now go on for longer, hairdressers and barbers must still observe the "four square metre per person" rule.

Salons have been allowed to remain open, despite other businesses being closed amid the coronavirus outbreak.

Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-52048530 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-52048530)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 03:32:42 pm
@Lando Lincoln  , No, I haven't heard a thing about Chinatown .

While, here, the Atlantic published this story yesterday, unrelated to above question. Denmark is "freezing" their economy.

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‘Do More—Fast. Don’t Wait.’
Derek Thompson
Denmark, which is basically freezing its economy, has a message for America.

Around the world, countries are seeking to lock down their populations to halt the spread of the coronavirus, “freeze” their economies in place, and help people survive the ice age by any means necessary.

Denmark’s version of ice-age economics goes like this: To discourage mass layoffs, the government will pay employers up to 90 percent of the salaries of workers who go home and don’t work. The plan could require the government to spend as much as 13 percent of its GDP in three months—roughly the equivalent of a $2.5 trillion stimulus in the United States spread out over just 13 weeks.

In the 48 hours since I first wrote about this plan, I have heard from politicians and policy makers around the world, including Spain, the UK, and Australia. To go deeper on this radical idea, I spoke on Monday with Peter Hummelgaard, the Employment Minister of Denmark. This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Read more at:  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/denmark-has-a-message-for-america-do-more-fast/608629/?src=rss (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/denmark-has-a-message-for-america-do-more-fast/608629/?src=rss)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 26, 2020, 03:37:14 pm
Here it is.  Commissioner Oxiris Barbot, February 9:

https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1226508570646269954

Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

@NYCHealthCommr
·
Feb 9

Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 03:49:33 pm
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Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
Behind the scenes of #China's "zero case" act, #Hospitals are refusing to treat potential #COVID19 victims to keep their new cases #'s low. 

Never trust the #CCP. #CommunismKills.


https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1243193865579921411
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Department of State
@StateDept
.@SecPompeo
: I made it clear to our #G7 partners – especially to our friends in Italy and the rest of Europe – that the United States remains committed to assisting them in all possible ways.

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1243168429005320195
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The Epoch Times
@EpochTimes
“The CCP must be held to account for what the world is now suffering.”

Sen. Josh @HawleyMO
 and Rep. @EliseStefanik
 are calling for an international probe into #Beijing’s handling of the #CCPVirus-caused #Pandemic.


https://twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1243178392599638029

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China in Focus - NTD
@ChinaInFocusNTD
“Chinese corporations operating in America must not be eligible for the upcoming trillion-dollar bailout, now or ever."

Rep. @mattgaetz
 has proposed a bill that would prevent funds from flowing into #China.


#CCPVirus #coronavirus

https://twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1242982344887341060

It's almost an act of war.... we don't know enough but still, at the least, a greatly negligent act.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 04:27:28 pm
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Rebel-held Syria braces for coronavirus 'tsunami' -- without soap, running water or the prospect of social distancing
By Gul Tuysuz, Arwa Damon, Zaher Jaber and Eyad Kourdi, CNN

Everything Fatima Um Ali needs to protect herself and her family from the novel coronavirus is out of reach. There is no running water, soap is expensive and hand sanitizer is an unaffordable luxury. She cannot even imagine what social distancing for her family of 16 would look like in the three tents they share in a makeshift camp near the Turkish-Syrian border.

"We try with our limited capabilities to keep clean. All those sanitizers, cleaning materials that you are talking about, we can't get," Um Ali tells CNN.

She lives in one of the many camps that have cropped up in the fields, olive groves, and rolling hills of Syria's rebel-held Idlib province. Most of the children have runny noses from exposure to harsh living conditions.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rebel-held-syria-braces-for-coronavirus-tsunami-without-soap-running-water-or-the-prospect-of-social-distancing/ar-BB11JBQu (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rebel-held-syria-braces-for-coronavirus-tsunami-without-soap-running-water-or-the-prospect-of-social-distancing/ar-BB11JBQu)

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Turkish-occupied Syria cuts off water to 400,000 during pandemic
Turkish-backed far-right militants cut off the water to 400,000 Syrians, including tens of thousands of children, during the coronavirus pandemic, according to reports in eastern Syria.
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN   MARCH 26, 2020

Turkish-backed far right militants cut off the water to 400,000 Syrians, including tens of thousands of children, during the coronavirus pandemic, according to reports in eastern Syria. It comes at the worst possible time for people in Syria, including Kurdish and Christian minorities, who are in lockdowns due to the pandemic and now have no water. The area is already threatened by the virus because the international community has cut off aid and does not provide testing for the virus.

The US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces defeated ISIS a year ago in eastern Syria but now millions of people who live in the area lack access to basic needs. Turkey invaded part of eastern Syria in October 2019 after the US withdrew. 

Read more at: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Turkish-occupied-Syria-cuts-off-water-to-400000-during-pandemic-622467 (https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Turkish-occupied-Syria-cuts-off-water-to-400000-during-pandemic-622467)

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33-year-old Turkish woman with chronic disease dies due to coronavirus: report

By TM -  March 26, 2020

(https://www.turkishminute.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dilek-tahtal%C4%B1-696x391.jpg)

Dilek Tahtalı, a 33-year-old woman with a chronic disease, has become one of the latest victims of the coronavirus in Turkey, the Hürriyet Daily News reported, a worrisome development since until now, the elderly were believed to be the main at-risk group for contracting COVID-19, caused by the deadly virus.

Tahtalı, who worked as administrative assistant at a private hospital in İstanbul, had been admitted to a public healthcare institution with high fever and fatigue.

She had been suffering from a rheumatic disease since childhood and was taking medication for it.

Read more at: https://www.turkishminute.com/2020/03/26/33-year-old-turkish-woman-with-chronic-disease-dies-due-to-coronavirus-report/ (https://www.turkishminute.com/2020/03/26/33-year-old-turkish-woman-with-chronic-disease-dies-due-to-coronavirus-report/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 26, 2020, 04:32:24 pm
Here it is.  Commissioner Oxiris Barbot, February 9:

https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1226508570646269954 (https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1226508570646269954)

Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

@NYCHealthCommr
·
Feb 9

Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.

www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395838.msg2176762.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395838.msg2176762.html)


(https://cdn.summit.news/2020/03/230320nyc.jpg)

It was more than one city official.  Mark D. Levine is the Chair of New York City Council health committee.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 26, 2020, 04:36:12 pm
www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395838.msg2176762.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395838.msg2176762.html)


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It was more than one city official.  Mark D. Levine is the Chair of New York City Council health committee.

Thank you @Once-Ler.  That is what I was looking for in the archives. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 26, 2020, 04:54:47 pm
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Coronavirus Outbreak
Virus Has Brazil’s Bolsonaro Facing Governor ‘Insurrection’
By Associated Press
March 25, 2020 09:37 PM

 SAO PAULO - Brazil’s governors on Wednesday rebelled against President Jair Bolsonaro’s call for life to return to pre-coronavirus normalcy, saying his proposal to reopen schools and businesses runs counter to recommendations from health experts and endangers Latin America’s largest population.

State governors, many of whom have adopted strict measures to limit gatherings in their regions, defied the president’s instructions in a nationwide address Tuesday evening that they lift the restrictions and limit isolation only to the elderly and those with longstanding health problems.

The governors weren’t the only defiant ones. Virus plans challenged by Bolsonaro were upheld by the Supreme Court. The heads of both congressional houses criticized his televised speech. Companies donated supplies to state anti-virus efforts. And even some of his staunch supporters joined his detractors.

Read more at: https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/virus-has-brazils-bolsonaro-facing-governor-insurrection (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/virus-has-brazils-bolsonaro-facing-governor-insurrection)

Per dissident Iranian media, Iran seems to lead the world in deaths:

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Coronavirus Crisis in Iran: Dimensions, Causes as MEK Announced Exceeded 11,000 Deaths
Written by  Staff Writer   26th March 2020

In a webinar: Mohammad Mohaddessin, Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), addresses the causes for the spread of coronavirus in Iran, Iranian regime’s cover-up, mismanagement and politicizing the issue to get international sanctions lifted. He also referred to the rising number of casualties, which according to the People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI, Mujahedin-e Khalq or MEK) has exceeded 11,000. 

The full text of remarks by Mr. Mohammad Mohaddessin: 

Ladies and gentlemen,

The world is dealing with Coronavirus crisis. The situation in Iran is different in many respects, it is alarming, catastrophic and is getting worse by the day. For us as Iranians, this is a pressing humanitarian issue since our people from all age groups and all over Iran are perishing in broad daylight. Urgent international action is needed.

More:  https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-resistance/coronavirus-crisis-in-iran-dimensions-causes-as-mek-announced-exceeded-11000-deaths/ (https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-resistance/coronavirus-crisis-in-iran-dimensions-causes-as-mek-announced-exceeded-11000-deaths/)

Some of our politicians have addressed MEK, so it might be true.  At least, Giuliani has met with them. I won't post other names until I'm sure.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/30/rudy-giuliani-mek-iran-paris-rally (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/30/rudy-giuliani-mek-iran-paris-rally)

Personally, I don't find MEK too bad. In the 1970s, possibly they were.

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Title: Restaurant in China hangs banner celebrating spread of deadly coronavirus in US, Japan
Post by: Elderberry on March 26, 2020, 10:13:20 pm
American Military News by  Ryan Morgan  March 26, 2020

A restaurant in China has drawn controversy after hanging a banner appearing to celebrate the spread of coronavirus in the U.S. and Japan.

The banner, which was pictured on social media, was written in Chinese characters and reportedly said “Congratulations on the epidemic in the U.S.! We wish the epidemic in dwarf Japan will last forever and ever!”

The Chinese state-run outlet Global Times also reported on the banner and similarly translated the banner’s message as, “Celebrating the epidemic in the US and wishing coronavirus a nice trip to Japan.”

The Global Times reported that “Mother Yang’s porridge restaurant” in Shenyang, northeast China’s Liaoning Province, was the one responsible for hanging the banner. The Chinese outlet reported the restaurant later apologized for the banner on China’s Twitter alternative platform, Sina Weibo, and said the manager at the time had hung the banner without their permission.

More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/restaurant-in-china-hangs-banner-celebrating-spread-of-deadly-coronavirus-in-us-japan/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/restaurant-in-china-hangs-banner-celebrating-spread-of-deadly-coronavirus-in-us-japan/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 27, 2020, 03:20:08 am
India:
Quote
"15,000 Ltrs Milk, 10,000 kg Veg Dumped": E-Tailers Allege Police Attacks
Rishika Baruah

(https://c.ndtvimg.com/2020-03/l7g5c12s_india-lockdown-police-reuters-_625x300_25_March_20.jpg)
Coronavirus India Lockdown: Policemen have been caning people seen on streets during the lockdown.

New Delhi:

E-commerce companies delivering essentials like groceries, medicines and food are facing attacks and harassment from law enforcement officials and security guards, leading to severe inconvenience in times of an unprecedented crisis, online retailers have said, calling for an urgent intervention from the government. A huge amount of fresh produce had to be thrown away because of the disruptions, they said.

K Ganesh, promoter of online platforms like BigBasket, FreshMenu and Portea Medical, said that over the last few days, policemen have abused, assaulted and in one case even arrested a delivery agent leading to huge disruption in their activities.

"Even though the government has done absolutely the right step and has been categorical in exempting essential services and have specified essential services like online delivery of goods, groceries, food, medicines and medical equipment, that message has not gone to the people down the line," Mr Ganesh told NDTV.

More:  https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/coronavirus-india-lockdown-e-tailers-complain-police-beating-up-delivery-agents-2200587 (https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/coronavirus-india-lockdown-e-tailers-complain-police-beating-up-delivery-agents-2200587)

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India's Doctors Worry The Country Is Unprepared For A Coronavirus Surge
March 26, 2020

With a fraction of the hospital beds and ventilators per capita of developed countries, Indian doctors and public health experts warn an explosion of coronavirus cases could overwhelm their hospitals on a greater scale than what's happening in Italy and the United States — and lead to many millions of deaths.

Doctors in India are posting photos and videos on social media of homemade hazmat suits. Some hospitals are making their own hand sanitizer, and there are reports of rationing.

For now, India's coronavirus diagnoses are low: The government has identified 633 active cases and 16 deaths in a population of 1.3 billion. Prime Minister Narendra Modi nevertheless announced the world's largest lockdown on Tuesday, and a $2 billion investment to improve India's health system.

Read more at: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/26/821895160/indias-doctors-worry-the-country-is-unprepared-for-a-coronavirus-surge (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/26/821895160/indias-doctors-worry-the-country-is-unprepared-for-a-coronavirus-surge)

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Coronavirus Is Communist China's Chernobyl, by Josh Hammer
March 27, 2020
Last year, the popular HBO miniseries "Chernobyl," which recounted the eponymous 1986 nuclear disaster in Soviet Ukraine, enthralled audiences across America. The docudrama unsparingly portrayed the obfuscation and dissembling that characterized the Soviet Communist Party's response in the aftermath of the meltdown. In a deceitful attempt to save face before domestic and international audiences, the Soviet politburo risked untold lives.

Fast-forward to 2020. As the coronavirus pandemic grips the world, we are all paying the price for the Communist Party of China's own Chernobyl. The only difference is that the ChiComs' Chernobyl is on a global scale.


Start with the fact that the Chinese Communist Party was clearly warned of the dangers of continually operating its "wet markets," believed to be the virus's zoonotic provenance. In these wet markets, exotic animals, to which some in China ascribe superstitious belief, are bartered like routine commodities. But these wet markets also previously brought onto the world SARS, bird flu, Asian flu and swine fever. Chinese scientists had warned the Beijing politburo that continuing to operate the wet markets could easily lead to another epidemiological outbreak — quite possibly a novel strain of coronavirus. Beijing paid no heed.

Failing to shut down the wet markets is bad enough. But even more disastrous was the Chinese Communist Party's initial handling of the metastasizing situation in and around Wuhan....

See more at: https://www.creators.com/read/josh-hammer/03/20/coronavirus-is-communist-chinas-chernobyl (https://www.creators.com/read/josh-hammer/03/20/coronavirus-is-communist-chinas-chernobyl)

Title: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: Gefn on March 27, 2020, 11:22:24 am
Breaking Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus.

The prime minster tweeted: "Over the last 24 hours I have developed mild symptoms and tested positive for coronavirus.

"I am now self-isolating, but I will continue to lead the government's response via video-conference as we fight this virus.

"Together we will beat this. #StayHomeSaveLives."

More follows...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johnson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11964493

Title: Re: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: TomSea on March 27, 2020, 11:25:58 am
I just heard myself, my, my. I"m sure he will be okay but it sure makes one wonder about the contagiousness of this disease.
Title: Re: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: Gefn on March 27, 2020, 11:30:00 am
I just heard myself, my, my. I"m sure he will be okay but it sure makes one wonder about the contagiousness of this disease.

Both him and Prince Charles. Scary. Prayers for HRH Queen Elizabeth. Her birthday is in a few weeks. She’ll be 94 on April 21.
Title: Re: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: mountaineer on March 27, 2020, 12:04:58 pm
Both him and Prince Charles. Scary. Prayers for HRH Queen Elizabeth. Her birthday is in a few weeks. She’ll be 94 on April 21.
She and Philip certainly are at risk.
Title: Re: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: Gefn on March 27, 2020, 01:08:48 pm


BREAKING 
Health Secretary Matt Hancock tests positive for coronavirus


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Heath Secretary Matt Hancock has tested positive for coronavirus and is self-isolating at home with mild symptoms.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-i-dont-think-we-are-crashing-economy-business-secretary-11964345
Title: Re: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: Gefn on March 27, 2020, 01:09:42 pm


BREAKING 
Health Secretary Matt Hancock tests positive for coronavirus


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-i-dont-think-we-are-crashing-economy-business-secretary-11964345

In the immortal words of another Brit, “curiouser, and curiouser”
Title: Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2020, 02:11:49 pm
Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection

By Peter Aitken | Fox News

More than 300 people have died and a further 1,000 have fallen ill in Iran after consuming methanol in the belief that it will protect them against the coronavirus, according to local media.

Fake remedies have spread across Iranian social media, with methanol simply the latest supposed cure. As an Islamic nation, the consumption of alcohol is banned, but bootleggers have distributed industrial alcohol.

“Other countries have only one problem, which is the new coronavirus pandemic,” said Dr. Hossein Hassanian, an adviser to Iran’s Health Ministry who claimed that the problem could be more severe than reported. “We have to both cure the people with the alcohol poisoning and also fight the coronavirus.”

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection (https://www.foxnews.com/world/hundreds-dead-iran-methanol-coronavirus-protection)

   
Title: Iran releases 85,000 prisoners because of coronavirus, but keeps Christians locked up
Post by: rangerrebew on March 27, 2020, 03:01:46 pm
Iran releases 85,000 prisoners because of coronavirus, but keeps Christians locked up

Mar 26, 2020 4:00 pm By Robert Spencer

“Iran refuses to release Christian prisoners despite coronavirus outbreak,” by Benjamin Weinthal, Jerusalem Post, March 25, 2020:

    BERLIN – Iran’s mullah regime refused on Tuesday to grant a temporary release to four imprisoned Christians amid a release of some 85,000 prisoners, including political prisoners, in an effort to stop the spread of the Middle East’s worst outbreak of the coronavirus.

    The religious freedom organization Article18 wrote on its website that, “Four Iranian Christians serving 10-year sentences in Tehran’s Evin prison are being denied temporary release even though their requests for retrials have been accepted.”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/03/iran-releases-85000-prisoners-because-of-coronavirus-but-keeps-christians-locked-up (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/03/iran-releases-85000-prisoners-because-of-coronavirus-but-keeps-christians-locked-up)
Title: Fatah: Honoring terrorists is more important than stopping Coronavirus
Post by: rangerrebew on March 27, 2020, 03:13:37 pm

Fatah: Honoring terrorists is more important than stopping Coronavirus
Nan Jacques Zilberdik  | Mar 26, 2020

    Thousands of Palestinians celebrated a terrorist’s release from prison, ignoring PA instructions to self-quarantine.

In what was probably the largest gathering this week anywhere in the world, since self-isolation is the key to defeating the Coronavirus, Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah Movement organized a celebration with “thousands” of Palestinians crammed together to honor a terrorist released from prison.

Fatah’s message to its own people is that honoring a terrorist involved in the murder of 6 Israelis takes priority over their own health.

The following pictures of the massive crowds were posted on Fatah’s official Facebook page with the following text:

https://palwatch.org/page/17663
Title: In Iran, false belief a poison fights virus kills hundreds
Post by: rangerrebew on March 27, 2020, 03:18:08 pm
In Iran, false belief a poison fights virus kills hundreds

NASSER KARIMI and JON GAMBRELL
,Associated Press•March 27, 2020
 

 

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Standing over the still body of an intubated 5-year-old boy wearing nothing but a plastic diaper, an Iranian health care worker in a hazmat suit and mask begged the public for just one thing: Stop drinking industrial alcohol over fears about the new coronavirus.

The boy, now blind after his parents gave him toxic methanol in the mistaken belief it protects against the virus, is just one of hundreds of victims of an epidemic inside the pandemic now gripping Iran.

Iranian media report nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened so far by ingesting methanol across the Islamic Republic, where drinking alcohol is banned and where those who do rely on bootleggers. An Iranian doctor helping the country's Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.

https://news.yahoo.com/iran-false-belief-poison-fights-060457167.html
Title: Re: Iran releases 85,000 prisoners because of coronavirus, but keeps Christians locked up
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 27, 2020, 04:14:06 pm
This the actual link for the Jerusalem Post article, https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/iran-refuses-to-release-christian-prisoners-despite-coronavirus-outbreak-622288 (https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/iran-refuses-to-release-christian-prisoners-despite-coronavirus-outbreak-622288) .
Title: Re: Fatah: Honoring terrorists is more important than stopping Coronavirus
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 27, 2020, 04:16:25 pm
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Fatah’s message to its own people is that honoring a terrorist involved in the murder of 6 Israelis takes priority over their own health.

That's the opinion of Nan Jacques Zilberdik, not something said by a Fatah official.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 27, 2020, 04:20:18 pm
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
·
1h
Lots of videos here! Fights burst out when people from #Hubei not allowed to enter #Jiangxi. My prediction: #CCP will lose centralized control over #China soon.
(https://i.epochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2020/03/Unknown-11-600x400.jpg)

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1243545730217922565 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1243545730217922565)

A number of videos on the page she links to.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te3erPGLJxs#)

https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/3/27/n11980618.htm (https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/3/27/n11980618.htm)

But if enough people predict China's Communist Party government will fail, they may eventually be right.

It would be nice if they lost control...often said, never happens, the government is too powerful.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 27, 2020, 04:44:22 pm
I couple days ago, I was using a wonderfully interactive county-by-county map of COVID-19.  If I wanted to look at Bottineau County, North Dakota, all I had to do was click on the map.  It's crazy, but I can't find it.  Any help?

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 27, 2020, 04:48:07 pm

But if enough people predict China's Communist Party government will fail, they may eventually be right.

It would be nice if they lost control...often said, never happens, the government is too powerful.

Don't think this is not possible here.  If we are unable to get back to a marginally normal life and enough people become desperate, local anarchy can happen.
Title: Re: Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection
Post by: TomSea on March 27, 2020, 04:54:23 pm
There was an early report on alcohol being used but apparently, this is a 2nd wave and maybe with a deadlier substance.  This is the same story, AP, Ranger posts above... but without emboldened headlines, you might lose the gist of it.

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In Iran, False Belief a Poison Fights Virus Kills Hundreds
By Associated Press
March 27, 2020 07:22 AM

(https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/817x459/s3/ap-images/2020/03/2974c1bf11cf231853b8848c7684cb33.jpg?itok=XIjdywFE)

More:  https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/iran-false-belief-poison-fights-virus-kills-hundreds (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/iran-false-belief-poison-fights-virus-kills-hundreds)

The article mentions "bootleg" alcohol, I think that was the first wave of this.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 27, 2020, 04:57:49 pm
 :2popcorn:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 27, 2020, 05:10:47 pm
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Coronavirus Outbreak
Philippines Declares Coronavirus Emergency Amid State of 'Warfare'
By VOA News    March 27, 2020 11:51 AM

he Philippines has declared a state of emergency, allowing it to comply with stricter COVID-19 measures taken by neighboring countries, but also causing human rights worries, such as the use of dog cages to detain curfew violators.
 
Lawmakers passed legislation Tuesday granting emergency powers to Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, including the power to commandeer private hospitals and ships, order the transport and housing of health workers, and reallocate the state budget to give families financial aid. 
 
The nation was not as fast as others in Southeast Asia to cancel flights, close schools, and restrict movement. With coronavirus infections spiking in mid-March, however, Manila determined past measures were not enough, and it became the first in the region to order a national lockdown.

Read more at:  https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/philippines-declares-coronavirus-emergency-amid-state-warfare (https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/philippines-declares-coronavirus-emergency-amid-state-warfare)

Duterte urged to self-quarantine:  https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1249563/duterte-advised-to-undergo-self-quarantine (https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1249563/duterte-advised-to-undergo-self-quarantine)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 27, 2020, 05:12:09 pm
I couple days ago, I was using a wonderfully interactive county-by-county map of COVID-19.  If I wanted to look at Bottineau County, North Dakota, all I had to do was click on the map.  It's crazy, but I can't find it.  Any help?

This webpage has a map but I think it is from 2 days ago. They did seem to get it from John Hopkins:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/25/updated-map-coronavirus-cases-in-the-u-s-county-by-county/ (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/25/updated-map-coronavirus-cases-in-the-u-s-county-by-county/)

@Lando Lincoln

I've looked at John Hopkins website itself, I'm not finding this right now.




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Trump Administration to Issue Guidelines for Classifying U.S. Counties by Coronavirus Risk
Criteria designed to help local officials decide whether to increase or relax social-distancing rules
Article available at:  https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-issue-guidelines-for-classifying-areas-by-coronavirus-risk-11585248715 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-issue-guidelines-for-classifying-areas-by-coronavirus-risk-11585248715) (no paywall)
Title: Re: Prince Albert of Monaco Tests Positive for Coronavirus, First Head of State to Do So
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2020, 05:40:39 pm
Better put Prince Albert back in the can.  :silly:
Dunno. You can catch all sorts of diseases in the can, man. There's some germs in there!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2020, 05:47:06 pm
I couple days ago, I was using a wonderfully interactive county-by-county map of COVID-19.  If I wanted to look at Bottineau County, North Dakota, all I had to do was click on the map.  It's crazy, but I can't find it.  Any help?
Look here @Lando Lincoln https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases (https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases)

Right now, 65 positive cases in the State, 13 in hospital, 15 recovered, and no deaths.

So far, 12 of 53 counties (McKenzie and Bottineau counties have no confirmed cases).  The pattern I am seeing follows US 2 West to Minot (Ward County), I-94 West from Fargo to Dickinson, and US 85 north from I-94 to Stark County, although resolution is limited to county lines. There are a couple of 'flyers' that do not fit the pattern, but the infection seems to be following the main highways in the State, with the exception of I-29, on which most travelers would be living in either Fargo or Grand Forks, or just travel from one to the other without stopping.

This webpage is updated a few times daily, too.
Title: Chinese Lawyers Sue U.S. Over 'Coronavirus Cover-up'
Post by: Elderberry on March 27, 2020, 06:36:47 pm
Radio Free Asia 2020-03-26

Two state-backed Chinese lawyers have brought lawsuits against the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other U.S. departments, alleging that they "covered up" the emergence of the coronavirus.

The claims are in line with Beijing's attempt to change the narrative internationally about how the pandemic started.

Wuhan lawyer Liang Xuguang filed one lawsuit with the Wuhan Intermediate People’s Court against the U.S. Government, CDC, the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Armed Forces Sports Council claiming damages of 200,000 yuan (around U.S.$28,000).

The lawsuit alleges that the defendants were responsible for lost wages and emotional harm because they "covered up" the alleged emergence of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 on U.S. soil.

More: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-lawsuit-03262020122653.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-lawsuit-03262020122653.html)
Title: Re: Chinese Lawyers Sue U.S. Over 'Coronavirus Cover-up'
Post by: skeeter on March 27, 2020, 06:46:48 pm
The Chinese don’t care what the world thinks of them, apparently.

Of course if Obama we’re still president we would’ve already settled for an undisclosed but considerable sum out of court.
Title: Re: 🚨Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Post by: mountaineer on March 27, 2020, 07:15:09 pm
Another notable British virus patient:
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Jimmy Savile’s sex fiend chauffeur, 78, contracts coronavirus in prison
Former DJ Ray Teret, 78, was diagnosed with Covid-19 at HMP Manchester and has been placed isolation as he fights the killer bug. He was jailed for raping underage girls
ByLorraine King
    16:29, 27 MAR 2020

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21767670.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/12_Ray-Teret-court-case.jpg)
Full story in the Mirror (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-saviles-sex-fiend-chauffeur-21767588)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 27, 2020, 08:31:35 pm
From the UK...
Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study
New epidemiological model suggests the vast majority of people suffer little or no illness

The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.


https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b (https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2020, 10:08:25 pm
Coronavirus: Italy Sees Worst Day Yet, 969 Dead in 24 Hours; Death Toll Exceeds 9,000
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/27/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-969-dead-in-24-hours-death-toll-exceeds-9000/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/27/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-969-dead-in-24-hours-death-toll-exceeds-9000/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 27, 2020, 10:37:47 pm
Coronavirus: Italy Sees Worst Day Yet, 969 Dead in 24 Hours; Death Toll Exceeds 9,000
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/27/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-969-dead-in-24-hours-death-toll-exceeds-9000/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/27/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-969-dead-in-24-hours-death-toll-exceeds-9000/)
OMG.  Almost 1,000 in one day? 
We lost 250 Americans yesterday, and probably top 300 today.  We are over half way to 9-11's death count of under 3,000.
We can all be thankful that it didn't happen in one day, but rather the last 1,500 American deaths happened over a span of almost 15 days. 
However our numbers dying each successive day is increasing.
 
Maybe we should start talking about where all the American bodies should go for those who are indigent? 

Iran's doing mass graves.

(http://[url=https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/7z4LhkTPNJobxCQpJpH79U-970-80.jpg]https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/7z4LhkTPNJobxCQpJpH79U-970-80.jpg[/url])

I would like my remains scattered at the Lincoln Memorial, but I would prefer not to be cremated.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2020, 10:40:10 pm
   China Supplied Faulty Coronavirus Test Kits to Spain, Czech Republic
https://news.yahoo.com/china-supplied-faulty-coronavirus-test-162306412.html
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on March 27, 2020, 10:43:56 pm
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According to the United Nations World Population Prospects report, approximately 7,452 people die every day in the United States.    ...
Irrespective of Covid-19.
source (https://www.indexmundi.com/blog/index.php/2018/03/05/how-many-people-die-a-day-in-the-us/)
Title: Re: Chinese Lawyers Sue U.S. Over 'Coronavirus Cover-up'
Post by: mortarman on March 27, 2020, 10:44:23 pm
Or if the Pantsuit Assassin had won in 2016, she would have given them stealth tech to go with the ICBM guidance technology the Chappaquaw Crime Cartel sold them in 1996.

 :pop41:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 27, 2020, 10:46:38 pm
Coronavirus: Italy Sees Worst Day Yet, 969 Dead in 24 Hours; Death Toll Exceeds 9,000
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/27/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-969-dead-in-24-hours-death-toll-exceeds-9000/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/27/coronavirus-italy-sees-worst-day-yet-969-dead-in-24-hours-death-toll-exceeds-9000/)

This is so tragic!

But Italy has told us what they failed to do to prevent these numbers, and thank GOD that American leaders have listened.

Our numbers relative to our population shouldn't be this bad.

But they will be bad.  They will be bad.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 27, 2020, 10:49:25 pm
Irrespective of Covid-19.
source (https://www.indexmundi.com/blog/index.php/2018/03/05/how-many-people-die-a-day-in-the-us/)

But not all from the same thing.......

And is that really relevant?   This is a once in a hundred years single source of disease and death.

(Nearly) a thousand in one day in Italy is a staggering number.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 27, 2020, 11:19:06 pm
This is so tragic!

But Italy has told us what they failed to do to prevent these numbers, and thank GOD that American leaders have listened.

Our numbers relative to our population shouldn't be this bad.

But they will be bad.  They will be bad.

Univ. of Washington researchers predict 80,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S. by July

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/univ-washington-epidemiologists-predict-80000-covid-19-deaths-u-s-july/ (https://www.geekwire.com/2020/univ-washington-epidemiologists-predict-80000-covid-19-deaths-u-s-july/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 27, 2020, 11:42:57 pm
I'm coming into this late, but Wow.  I just watched about 20 minutes of my President detail what was being done about the virus while thanking all the people who stepped up to make it happen.  Now he's taking questions.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjVjdxMpUQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjVjdxMpUQ#)

Doing great until he goes off on Gov's of Washington, and Michigan.  Falls into a FLICK the blue states narrative 27 mins in.

Q: Will it be months?
President Trump: I hope not.

Not no.  Truth is more important than hope.

My President gets it.
Title: Pope Francis, in desolate St. Peter's Square, prays for end to coronavirus
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2020, 12:00:16 am
Pope Francis, in desolate St. Peter's Square, prays for end to coronavirus

Pope Francis prayed for an end to the coronavirus pandemic on Friday in front of an empty St. Peter's Square, as Italy continues to remain one of the most impacted regions in the world.

Speaking through the rain, Francis read from the Gospel during the hour-long ceremony and urged the world to view the crisis as a reminder of basic values.

"My God’s blessing come down upon you as a consoling embrace,” Francis said from the steps of St. Peter's Basilica, where he normally draws tens of thousands of worshippers. “Lord, bless the world. Give health to our bodies and comfort our hearts.”.....

.........“We have realized that we are in the same boat, all of us fragile and disoriented, but at the same time important and needed, all of us called to row together, each of us in need of comforting the other,” he said. “From this colonnade that embraces Rome and the whole world, may God’s blessing come down upon you as a consoling embrace.”

At the end of the service, he delivered a blessing, the "Urbi et Orbi" prayer, normally reserved for Christmas and Easter...........

https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-francis-prays-end-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-francis-prays-end-coronavirus)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 28, 2020, 12:26:56 am
Univ. of Washington researchers predict 80,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S. by July

I'll take that bet.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2020, 12:49:43 am
I'll take that bet.

Even if it is 80k deaths... That is a pretty normal flu season.
I will start considering it serious when we go over 100k... Which I don't believe we will even approach.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 28, 2020, 12:57:21 am
I'll take that bet.
I just watched a President I've hated for 3 years, tell me everything I wanted to hear for 60 minutes.  I'll take even odds that we exceed 80,000 by July.  How about a $20 donation to TBR?  I should actually get better than even odds since, if I'm really right, your $20 won't buy much anyways.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2020, 01:12:06 am
Even if it is 80k deaths... That is a pretty normal flu season.
I will start considering it serious when we go over 100k... Which I don't believe we will even approach.

Hopefully we won't see that many -- right now we are seeing a 1.5% death rate.  100,013 confirmed cases and 1,545 deaths.  In my county we are seeing a 5% death rate.  **nononono*
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2020, 01:18:25 am
Hopefully we won't see that many -- right now we are seeing a 1.5% death rate.  100,013 confirmed cases and 1,545 deaths.  In my county we are seeing a 5% death rate.  **nononono*

I don't think it is anywhere near that high anywhere, the way they are jackin the statistics around.

When only one in ten is getting tested (and I think it is way less than that), the mortality rate statistic is outragously and falsely increased.

Probably closer to .3-.03%
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 28, 2020, 01:26:18 am
Looks like we've already hit 400 dead today.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 28, 2020, 10:44:50 am
Proposition bets on the number of dead?  No thank you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 28, 2020, 10:55:13 am
Proposition bets on the number of dead?  No thank you.
I won't go there, either. That isn't gallows humour, just crass by any standard.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 28, 2020, 11:13:20 am
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'TOO AFRAID TO SLEEP' Distraught mum stayed awake for three days next to 18-month-old baby son’s cot as he fought for life with coronavirus
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11275242/mum-awake-three-days-baby-coronavirus/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11275242/mum-awake-three-days-baby-coronavirus/)

Good read.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on March 28, 2020, 01:29:46 pm
The Big Wobble 3/28/2020

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/03/covid-19-day-89-mar-28th-almost-600000.html (http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/03/covid-19-day-89-mar-28th-almost-600000.html)

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Covid-19: Day 89: Mar 28th: Almost 600,000 cases: Cases in Italy overtake China as US infections pass 100,000: Countries affected 184 of 195: Rise in domestic violence and child abuse: Hubei Residents Riot After Quarantine Lifted

Countries affected 184/195. The USA confirms 104,901 cases. Total confirmed cases at almost 600,000 with almost 12,000 of them in a critical condition. A dubious number of deaths is at 26,969 at a rate of 4.6%. https://wuhanviruslive.com/ (https://wuhanviruslive.com/)

Cases in Italy overtake China as US infections pass 100,000 Trump invokes Defence Production Act; Syria introduces travel restrictions; The UK, Spain, Italy see the biggest daily rise in deaths. Follow the latest updates. Guardian

Lockdowns around the world bring a rise in domestic violence and child abuse. Activists say a pattern of increasing abuse is repeated in countries from Brazil to Germany, China to Greece. Guardian

What is the REAL death rate for the coronavirus?
Figures reveal just 0.6% of patients in Germany die but the rate in Italy is higher than 10% because of a stark difference in testing regimes.
Italy, the worst affected country in the world, has a massive 11.3 per cent fatality rate - more than 9,100 people have died there

Countries which only test seriously ill patients will have higher death rates. DM

How America has the world's biggest and fastest-growing coronavirus outbreak: New US virus cases- per-day overtake Italy and are higher than China ever admitted New figures reveal that coronavirus cases and deaths in the United States are outpacing both Italy and China
The US now has more cases of COVID-19 - 92,000 infections - than any other country, as well as 1,300 deaths Italy has the second-highest number of cases at 86,498 and China has the third highest with 81,430 A total of 12 states have already surpassed 1,500 cases each - no area outside Hubei in China reached that New York's death toll is doubling nearly every 1.5 days compared to the worst-hit region of Italy, Lombardy, which saw a doubling every three days
At the peak of China's outbreak, officials recorded 3,892 new cases compared to the US, which recorded more than 16,000 new cases on March 26. DM

Italy's deaths spike by 969 - its biggest one-day tally yet - to 9,134 as country warns coronavirus has still NOT peaked and lockdown that has already lasted 19 days will have to be extended The 969 new deaths bring Italy's death toll from 8,165 to 9,134, up 11.9 per cent The total number of infections rose by 5,959, taking the total from 80,539 to 86,498 It puts Italy in an unwanted lead over China which has registered 81,897 cases DM

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 28, 2020, 03:19:33 pm
Proposition bets on the number of dead?  No thank you.

Predicting 80,000 deaths by July?  No thank you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2020, 04:27:15 pm
Urn deliveries in Wuhan raise questions about China's actual coronavirus death toll
https://www.foxnews.com/world/urn-deliveries-wuhan-china-coronavirus-death-toll (https://www.foxnews.com/world/urn-deliveries-wuhan-china-coronavirus-death-toll)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 28, 2020, 05:02:31 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXLePiJbBTU#)

 Mike Doran of Hudson  (https://twitter.com/Doranimated)  always has wisdom. The others, I'm not as convinced about.

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China bulk-bought medical supplies abroad before coronavirus crisis hit
Bernard Lagan, Sydney | Isambard Wilkinson, Madrid

As the coronavirus took hold in Wuhan in February, staff of a Chinese government-backed global property giant were ordered to buy up vast quantities of western medicines and medical equipment to send to China.

Sources within the company told the Sydney Morning Herald that it was an international endeavour by the Greenland Group to scour the world for bulk supplies of surgical masks, thermometers, antibacterial wipes, hand sanitisers, gloves and paracetamol for China’s health system.

According to a company newsletter, the Greenland Group’s overseas offices brought up three million protective masks, 700,000 hazmat suits and 500,000 pairs of protective gloves from “Australia, Canada, Turkey and other countries”.

Read more at:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-bulk-bought-medical-supplies-abroad-before-crisis-hit-556gj7gn3 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-bulk-bought-medical-supplies-abroad-before-crisis-hit-556gj7gn3)

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Iran's coronavirus response highlights authoritarianism's dangers
By Lawrence J. Haas, opinion contributor — 03/27/20 09:30 AM EDT

With the coronavirus forcing Iran to dig mass graves for its victims, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei rejected U.S. aid offers of recent days and suggested that America “specifically built” the virus “for Iran using the genetic data of Iranians which they have obtained through different means.”

“You cannot be trusted,” Khamenei told the United States in a televised address. “If you send some doctor or healer, he might want to come here to check on the efforts of the poison you created.”

Khamenei’s sentiments, which other high-ranking Iranian officials also have expressed, illustrate the danger that authoritarian regimes in general, and Tehran’s mullahcracy in particular, pose to their own people and the world.

Read more at: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/489802-irans-coronavirus-response-highlights-authoritarianisms-dangers (https://thehill.com/opinion/international/489802-irans-coronavirus-response-highlights-authoritarianisms-dangers)

Hoover Institute, located at Stanford.  I am listening to this now. Not vouching for it.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8e1-27q2k#)

They have quite a few videos.

Urn deliveries in Wuhan raise questions about China's actual coronavirus death toll
https://www.foxnews.com/world/urn-deliveries-wuhan-china-coronavirus-death-toll (https://www.foxnews.com/world/urn-deliveries-wuhan-china-coronavirus-death-toll)

I certainly heard about this.

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The reliability of China’s coronavirus numbers is under question once again in view of the staggering amount of urns being distributed out in Wuhan.

According to official Chinese government data, 50,006 people were infected with the Covid-19 virus in Wuhan with 2,535 dying from the disease.

However, Chinese investigative outlet Caixin reports that when mortuaries opened back up this week in the Hubei capital, people had to wait in line for as long as five hours to receive the remains of their loved ones lost during the epidemic.

Read more at:  http://shanghaiist.com/2020/03/27/urns-in-wuhan-far-exceed-death-toll-raising-more-questions-about-chinas-tally/ (http://shanghaiist.com/2020/03/27/urns-in-wuhan-far-exceed-death-toll-raising-more-questions-about-chinas-tally/)

Caixin used as a source again. Good source (imho).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 28, 2020, 06:44:49 pm
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Prominent Iraqi cleric Moqtada al-Sadr blames coronavirus pandemic on gay marriage
The New Arab

The influential Iran-linked cleric has previously been linked to the torture and killing of gay men in Iraq.

One of Iraq's most influential clerics has claimed the devastating coronavirus pandemic was caused by moves to legalise same-sex marriage in recent years.

Moqtada al-Sadr on Saturday called on governments worldwide to revoke laws allowing for gay marriage.

More:  https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/3/28/prominent-iraqi-cleric-blames-coronavirus-pandemic-on-gay-marriage
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on March 28, 2020, 06:49:58 pm
Urn deliveries in Wuhan raise questions about China's actual coronavirus death toll
https://www.foxnews.com/world/urn-deliveries-wuhan-china-coronavirus-death-toll (https://www.foxnews.com/world/urn-deliveries-wuhan-china-coronavirus-death-toll)
That number is likely in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 28, 2020, 07:04:27 pm

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Picture of the Day: Chinese Ambassador Summoned
GIKorea | March 28, 2020 | Picture of the Day | 1 Comment
Chinese ambassador speaks to reporters
(https://i0.wp.com/img0.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2020/03/27/PYH2020032717280032000_P4.jpg?w=640&ssl=1)
Article:  https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/03/picture-of-the-day-chinese-ambassador-summoned/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/03/picture-of-the-day-chinese-ambassador-summoned/)
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Picture of the Day: Daegu Mayor Collapses
(https://i1.wp.com/img3.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2020/03/26/PYH2020032620990032500_P4.jpg?w=640&ssl=1)
Article:  https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/03/picture-of-the-day-daegu-mayor-collapses/ (https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/03/picture-of-the-day-daegu-mayor-collapses/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 28, 2020, 07:40:32 pm
Univ. of Washington researchers predict 80,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S. by July
I'll take that bet.
Predicting 80,000 deaths by July?  No thank you.
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Sorry I(?) brought it up @Hoodat


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 28, 2020, 07:54:44 pm
I've got to find it incredulous, what some called "panicking", this below, is the kind of stuff that is "panicking".

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UK Will Do Well To Keep Deaths Under 20,000 - Health Official
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/52075063 (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/52075063)

My personal view, is we are told some things so we stay in the house. That above, I find frightful.

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STAY AWAY Thousands of Brits flock to parks and beaches despite coronavirus stay at home warnings as stricter lockdown rules loom

...

STRICT LOCKDOWN

A senior government adviser told the Mail Online: "I expect death numbers to increase over two, three or four weeks, and then to gradually decrease."

The stricter measures would involve "anything that can be done to push it (down) further" and prevent people catching the disease.

It could mean mirroring the measures taken by countries like Spain and Italy, where outdoor exercise is banned and fines of up to €3,000 (£2,690) are given to anyone in breach of the rules.

...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11275442/stricter-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-three-weeks-easter/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11275442/stricter-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-three-weeks-easter/)
Title: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only Caug
Post by: Elderberry on March 28, 2020, 09:12:39 pm
Gateway Pundit by Jim Hoft March 28, 2020

Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only Caught 30% of Cases!

Turkey is the latest country to refuse Chinese coronavirus tests.
Spain returned their kits this week after finding them inaccurate.
The Chinese kits were only 30% accurate missing thousands of cases of the deadly virus.


Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only Caught 30% of Cases!
Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft March 28, 2020 96 Comments

Turkey is the latest country to refuse Chinese coronavirus tests.
Spain returned their kits this week after finding them inaccurate.
The Chinese kits were only 30% accurate missing thousands of cases of the deadly virus.

Turkey refused the Chinese kits on Friday.

Middle East Eye reported (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/coronavirus-turkey-faulty-chinese-kits-not-use):

    The Turkish government has cast aside a sample of Chinese-made coronavirus rapid testing kits after finding out that they gave inaccurate results, a Turkish official confirmed to Middle East Eye on Friday.

    “We have received some samples from the company,” the official said. “We didn’t find them viable and ordered some other testing kit models from a separate Chinese company.”

    The official did not say how many kits were concerned, while noting that they hadn’t yet been used with the wider public.

    The news comes as Spain revealed on Thursday that it had withdrawn 9,000 Chinese-made kits after realising that they had only 30 percent accuracy. A Czech media outlet also reported that up to 80 percent of the 150,000 portable quick tests that China delivered to the republic earlier this month were faulty.

    Spanish officials told the media that the testing kits were also manufactured by the same company that had supplied the Turkish government.

More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/spain-czech-republic-ukraine-and-now-turkey-return-faulty-chinese-coronavirus-tests-that-only-caught-30-of-cases/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/spain-czech-republic-ukraine-and-now-turkey-return-faulty-chinese-coronavirus-tests-that-only-caught-30-of-cases/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2020, 09:14:53 pm
WHO officials praise US leaders on coronavirus pandemic response: Trump is doing ‘all he can’

The World Health Organization praised the Trump administration’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak, which has spread to all 50 states and infected at least 55,568 U.S. citizens.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus singled out President Donald Trump, whom he said he spoke with Tuesday, for doing a “great job” in leveraging public and private sector resources to fight the pandemic. .....

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/who-officials-praise-us-leaders-on-pandemic-response-trump-is-doing-all-he-can.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/who-officials-praise-us-leaders-on-pandemic-response-trump-is-doing-all-he-can.html)
Title: Re: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only
Post by: DB on March 28, 2020, 09:38:59 pm
So that's where the CDC got their first test kits from...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 28, 2020, 09:39:57 pm
WHO officials praise US leaders on coronavirus pandemic response: Trump is doing ‘all he can’

The World Health Organization praised the Trump administration’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak, which has spread to all 50 states and infected at least 55,568 U.S. citizens.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus singled out President Donald Trump, whom he said he spoke with Tuesday, for doing a “great job” in leveraging public and private sector resources to fight the pandemic. .....

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/who-officials-praise-us-leaders-on-pandemic-response-trump-is-doing-all-he-can.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/who-officials-praise-us-leaders-on-pandemic-response-trump-is-doing-all-he-can.html)

In related news, the major networks are declaring WHO a corrupt terrorist organization.
Title: Damning videos out of China put coronavirus numbers into question. Mainstream media take note!
Post by: TomSea on March 28, 2020, 10:53:08 pm
Well, I'll be... this article mentions Jennifer Zeng by-the-way,
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Damning videos out of China put coronavirus numbers into question. Mainstream media take note!


(https://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/SG-Video-from-China.jpg)
(Video screenshot)

Questions have emerged in recent days over whether China’s purported “success” in curtailing the coronavirus outbreak is real or just a mirage manufactured by the East Asian nation’s ruthlessly communist government.

A growing body of evidence strongly suggests it’s indeed a mirage — albeit one that some in the media, particularly CNN, have been eager to accept as real:

    The US has just passed China, a country four times larger In population. https://t.co/l8qauNUuDo (https://t.co/l8qauNUuDo)

    — Jim Acosta (@Acosta) March 26, 2020

Is habitually wrong CNN chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta’s contention that the United States now boasts more coronavirus cases than China true? If the Communist Party of China hasn’t been lying about its coronavirus cases, then sure. But if it has been lying, then no.

Now meet Jennifer Zeng, an acclaimed mainland Chinese-born human rights activist, author, and actual (versus fake) journalist. Earlier this week she posted harrowing video footage from China allegedly showing a hospital refusing to admit a coronavirus patient because it wants to maintain its “zero new case” record.

Read more at:  https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/27/violent-video-reportedly-shows-covid-19-patient-denied-by-chinese-hospital-to-maintain-zero-new-case-record-901933 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/27/violent-video-reportedly-shows-covid-19-patient-denied-by-chinese-hospital-to-maintain-zero-new-case-record-901933)

 Jennifer Zeng - Twitter  (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd)

Very helpful, everyone interested should note her account.

Also, the imperfect Gordon Chang,  twitter  (https://twitter.com/GordonGChang) he was on one show after another yesterday and he tweets about every guest appearance he had to make.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on March 28, 2020, 11:38:12 pm
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Sorry I(?) brought it up @Hoodat

@Once-Ler

Here's my point.  I am sick of hearing story after story after story about worst case scenarios.  People are depressed enough as it is.  So seeing another story predicting 80,000 US deaths in the next ten weeks just happens to rub me the wrong way.  My response was a way of expressing my strong disagreement with that prediction.
Title: Coronavirus: $270 fine for walking next to others, $1,360 for partying in UAE
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 12:16:56 am
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Coronavirus: $270 fine for walking next to others, $1,360 for partying in UAE
Tamara Abueish, Al Arabiya English Saturday 28 March 2020

The United Arab Emirates imposed several new fines for people who do not abide by quarantine rules, the latest effort in the country to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus.

For more coronavirus news,  visit our dedicated page.  (https://english.alarabiya.net/coronavirus.html)

Anyone who leaves their house for reasons unrelated to work or for necessity will be fined 2,000 AED ($544), according to the Public Prosecution Attorney General.

Read more at: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2020/03/28/Coronavirus-UAE-imposes-new-fines-for-people-who-ignore-quarantine-rules.html

Those Arabs showing us how it's done!  :yowsa:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 29, 2020, 12:30:20 am
@Once-Ler

Here's my point.  I am sick of hearing story after story after story about worst case scenarios.  People are depressed enough as it is.  So seeing another story predicting 80,000 US deaths in the next ten weeks just happens to rub me the wrong way.  My response was a way of expressing my strong disagreement with that prediction.
Got it @Hoodat .  Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 12:58:02 am
"Live Map":  https://www.rferl.org/a/30490414.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/30490414.html)

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That's one way to enforce a lockdown! Police in South Africa fire RUBBER BULLETS at shoppers queuing for food outside supermarket in Johannesburg

    Police fired rubber bullets at shoppers outside supermarket, eye-witnesses say

    Shoppers did not observe recommended safe distance between them

    Police arrived in 10 patrol vehicles, started firing rubber bullets towards them

    Later police used whips to get the shoppers to observe social distancing rules



See More At: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162889/Police-South-Africa-fire-RUBBER-BULLETS-hundreds-shoppers.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162889/Police-South-Africa-fire-RUBBER-BULLETS-hundreds-shoppers.html)

Lots of images at link. Most are Getty, will not recopy to here. Some at this story covering the same situation at this link below:

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(https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/embed/public/2020/03/28/police-had-to-use-force-to-get-people.jpg)
See more at: https://www.ibtimes.com/safrican-police-fire-rubber-bullets-shoppers-during-lockdown-2948649 (https://www.ibtimes.com/safrican-police-fire-rubber-bullets-shoppers-during-lockdown-2948649)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 29, 2020, 02:31:58 am
@Once-Ler

Here's my point.  I am sick of hearing story after story after story about worst case scenarios.  People are depressed enough as it is.  So seeing another story predicting 80,000 US deaths in the next ten weeks just happens to rub me the wrong way.  My response was a way of expressing my strong disagreement with that prediction.

The point in that being that present influenza morbidity is somewhere in the 60-100k region annually...
Which basically means a 90-120 day window nationwide.For Corona to compete even with the flu would require that much morbidity - And would be a great number by comparison to the hysteria promoted - A low number.

I also do not believe we will come anywhere near close to influenza numbers. Morbidity would have to increase by an order of magnitude.

And I am grateful that it is not as bad as advertised. By by the same token, shutting off the country was a huge overreaction, as demonstrated by comparative morbidity.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 29, 2020, 02:49:53 am
The point in that being that present influenza morbidity is somewhere in the 60-100k region annually...
Which basically means a 90-120 day window nationwide.For Corona to compete even with the flu would require that much morbidity - And would be a great number by comparison to the hysteria promoted - A low number.

I also do not believe we will come anywhere near close to influenza numbers. Morbidity would have to increase by an order of magnitude.

And I am grateful that it is not as bad as advertised. By by the same token, shutting off the country was a huge overreaction, as demonstrated by comparative morbidity.

Just for general information:

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What is the difference between Morbidity and Mortality

• Morbidity is a state of being afflicted by a disease. It is a term that doctors use to refer to an unhealthy person who is suffering from disease.

• Mortality refers to the susceptibility of human beings to die. It is not a general word but used in conjunction with a calamity or outbreak of an epidemic where doctors calculate mortality rate that refers to number of deaths per thousand of the population.

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-morbidity-and-vs-mortality/ (https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-morbidity-and-vs-mortality/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on March 29, 2020, 02:55:04 am
Just for general information:

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-morbidity-and-vs-mortality/ (https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-morbidity-and-vs-mortality/)

I stand corrected. Thank you.  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 29, 2020, 03:29:56 am
The point in that being that present influenza morbidity is somewhere in the 60-100k region annually...
Which basically means a 90-120 day window nationwide.For Corona to compete even with the flu would require that much morbidity - And would be a great number by comparison to the hysteria promoted - A low number.

I also do not believe we will come anywhere near close to influenza numbers. Morbidity would have to increase by an order of magnitude.

And I am grateful that it is not as bad as advertised. By by the same token, shutting off the country was a huge overreaction, as demonstrated by comparative morbidity.

I will be happy to be wrong.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on March 29, 2020, 01:39:09 pm
Death toll in Spain rises by record 838 in one day
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/490037-death-toll-in-spain-rises-by-record-838-in-one-day
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 04:11:38 pm
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Washington Examiner@dcexaminer
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26m
.@RepMcCaul
 is calling for a global investigation into China's "dangerous disinformation campaign."

"Their pandemic-enabling malfeasance is not just an American concern, but a global one."

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@ReneeCarrollAZ
·
42m
BOOMERANG

Americans are not welcome in Mexico due to the coronavirus! They're demanding a crackdown on Americans crossing the border!

Will the Democrats call them racists?

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Hananya Naftali@HananyaNaftali
·
3h
'We survived Pharaoh. Israel will defeat Coronavirus with God's help' -Prime Minister Netanyahu
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LifeNews.com
@LifeNewsHQ
·
28m
WATCH:

This our backwards world now:

Planned Parenthood can violate the non-essential order to kill babies in abortions.

But the police can stop Christians from praying in front of it!

PLEASE RT to expose this craziness!

UK:

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Matt Hancock
@MattHancock
NEWS: So proud of our new NHS Nightingale hospital being built to tackle #coronavirus: https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-london-excel-nightingale-field-hospital-photos-a9431541.html (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-london-excel-nightingale-field-hospital-photos-a9431541.html)
 #StayHomeSaveLives

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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
·
2h
China just shut down movie theaters nationwide *after* reopening them.

Sound to you like they have pandemic under control? Me neither.

China is still lying.

So, Senator Cotton found it worth mentioning that movie theaters in China just shut down after "reopening" them, repeating.

Great Rudy Giuliani video here from his "Common Sense" podcast.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8#)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 04:18:10 pm
Reagan Battalion twitter apparently is located around NYC:

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Izzy Weiss
@Izzdubya85
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42m
Replying to
@ReaganBattalion
As someone that has friends that are ICU nurses all over the city, I can assure everyone that this is unbelievably serious. Anyone that thinks it’s a joke should go visit Elmhurst hospital in Queens and take a tour of their ER

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Reagan Battalion
@ReaganBattalion
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45m
Going to make a lot of people angry, but politics matters not when people around you are dying.

She is right, close down your state!!! Do it now! And anyone who is telling you it is not so bad in NY is lying to you, and will wish they did not say anything when this is over!

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James Hasson
@JamesHasson20
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1h
China’s death toll appears to be fifteen times greater than what they’ve told the world. Any journalist that continues to push this lie that we have more cases than China doesn’t deserve anyone’s attention. And there are plenty of them.

More:  https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 04:57:51 pm
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Chinese Company that Makes Forehead Thermometers ‘Jokes’ About Making Faulty Product for Sale in US in Order to Spread Disease
by Jim Hoft March 29, 2020

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/chinese-company-that-makes-forehead-thermometers-jokes-about-making-faulty-product-for-sale-in-us-in-order-to-spread-disease/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/chinese-company-that-makes-forehead-thermometers-jokes-about-making-faulty-product-for-sale-in-us-in-order-to-spread-disease/)

More bad production, just like their coronavirus test kits (I heard Spain got some of those, I'm unsure as to how devastating they were in the bigger picture) and masks.
Title: Re: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 29, 2020, 07:43:14 pm
Ukraine and Turkey, too, sigh ... . The report I saw previously said that the faulty tests were causing false "positives" and false "negatives" in the Czech Republic.
Title: Re: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only
Post by: skeeter on March 29, 2020, 07:48:36 pm
Geez, China couldn't possibly be doing a better job of making it look like they did all of this on purpose.
Title: Re: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 08:03:22 pm
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Demosistō 香港眾志
Face with medical mask
@demosisto
Dutch govt found 600,000 #China-made masks failed to meet quality standards and had defective filters. Days ago, Spain and Czech stopped using Chinese test kits for inaccuracy. Both respectively bought 340,000 and 150,000 kits from China. #CoronaPandemic

https://twitter.com/demosisto/status/1244183361284747265

Netherlands too, so iow,  probably about any country that got masks or other health goods actually.

Tweeted out originally by Gordon Chang, helpful voice for me.

https://twitter.com/GordonGChang
Title: Re: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only
Post by: dfwgator on March 29, 2020, 08:05:16 pm
Ukraine and Turkey, too, sigh ... . The report I saw previously said that the faulty tests were causing false "positives" and false "negatives" in the Czech Republic.

"That's not a bug, that's a feature!"
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 29, 2020, 08:21:11 pm
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Moscow initiates coronavirus lockdown, requires 'special pass' to leave homes
By Peter Aitken | Fox News

Moscow has ordered citizens to self-isolate starting Monday, despite the Russian government's claims that the country is not facing a coronavirus epidemic.

Mayor Sergei Sobyanin announced that local officials will institute a system of special passes that will allow people to leave their homes.

More:  https://www.foxnews.com/world/moscow-coronavirus-lockdown-special-pass-russia (https://www.foxnews.com/world/moscow-coronavirus-lockdown-special-pass-russia)

A special pass, that sounds pretty serious.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on March 29, 2020, 09:14:43 pm
TomSea wrote:
"A special pass, that sounds pretty serious."

Just a few minutes ago, my sister told me that her workplace (a food market) has issued her a "travel letter" in case she is stopped by police on her way to work.

This is in Southwest Connecticut.
Perhaps the store management has been told something by the state government that we don't know yet....?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 12:20:17 am
TomSea wrote:
"A special pass, that sounds pretty serious."

Just a few minutes ago, my sister told me that her workplace (a food market) has issued her a "travel letter" in case she is stopped by police on her way to work.

This is in Southwest Connecticut.
Perhaps the store management has been told something by the state government that we don't know yet....?

I just found out, we have those kinds of letters too for "essential personnel".
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 02:16:15 am
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Coronavirus: Six months before UK 'returns to normal' - deputy chief medical officer
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52084517 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52084517)

See you in September or even October...that's no fun

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Home | News | China
Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure
2020-03-27

As authorities lifted a two-month coronavirus lockdown in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, residents said they were growing increasingly skeptical that the figure of some 2,500 deaths in the city to date was accurate.

Since the start of the week, seven large funeral homes in Wuhan have been handing out the cremated remains of around 500 people to their families every day, suggesting that far more people died than ever made the official statistics.

"It can't be right ... because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?" an Wuhan resident surnamed Zhang told RFA on Friday.

Read more at:  https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html)

Good article, I believe Mike Doran tweeted this.




Title: Re: Spain, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Now Turkey Return Faulty Chinese Coronavirus Tests that Only
Post by: DB on March 30, 2020, 03:18:28 am
"That's not a bug, that's a feature!"

Chinese fortune cookie test...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on March 30, 2020, 11:20:04 am
I just found out, we have those kinds of letters too for "essential personnel".
My b-i-l has one for his job in Pennsylvania at some sort of laboratory.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 12:57:28 pm
I know CDC cutbacks have been debunked but here's a story of a week ago that I believe is different. If not different, please post the debunking info. Apparently some time in 2019, we did cut a job in the CDC in China.
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US axed CDC expert job in China months before outbreak: Reuters
Al Jazeera English
3/23/2020

Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the administration of US President Donald Trump eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing that was intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters news agency has learned.

The American disease expert Dr Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China's disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue.

The first cases of the new coronavirus may have emerged as early as November, and as cases mounted, the Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping experts from the United States from entering the country to help.

More:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-outbreak-reuters/ar-BB11yK2v (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-outbreak-reuters/ar-BB11yK2v)

Just posting, I do not see info debunking this. I do understand, the need to cut government and besides that, there is nothing that confirms the CDC worker would have caught on to what was happening as well. But maybe there is more to the whole story too, so I withhold judgement. Linda Quick?

The article goes on to say, Trump said this CDC story like the other CDC stories is "100% wrong". So, there's that... still, kind of interesting.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on March 30, 2020, 01:01:39 pm
My b-i-l has one for his job in Pennsylvania at some sort of laboratory.

When I had one back in the day, it was a holographic sticker, stuck on the lanyard holder of my work badge.  (Texas)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 01:11:55 pm
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Fernando Amandi Sr.
Flag of United States
@FernandoAmandi
I suspect there are hundreds of thousands dead in China but the world does not know yet

(Video, Steve Bannon on panel for wherever this video came from) https://twitter.com/FernandoAmandi/status/1244607472234618881
👇🏻
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Neverdul on March 30, 2020, 01:19:23 pm
My b-i-l has one for his job in Pennsylvania at some sort of laboratory.

My roommate works the night shift at an Amazon distribution center and they gave her and other employees a letter. FWIW I went out yesterday to make a grocery store run, little traffic but I didn't see any cops stopping anyone.
Title: How Wuhan Residents Are Estimating the True Death Toll...And It's Much Higher Than the Official Numb
Post by: mystery-ak on March 30, 2020, 02:03:56 pm
How Wuhan Residents Are Estimating the True Death Toll...And It's Much Higher Than the Official Number

Leah Barkoukis

Posted: Mar 30, 2020 7:30 AM

Residents of Wuhan, China, even know the government is lying about the death toll from COVID-19, and they’ve figured out as much based on the number of urns funeral homes have been returned to families.

The city has seven large funeral homes, and each has been returning the cremated remains of approximately 500 people to their families every day, and yet, the official government figures put the total death count around 2,500.

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Eileen Guo
✔
@eileenguo

#Wuhan residents estimate, based on calculations of cremations and urns now being returned to families, that between 42k-46k (!!) died in city + surrounding areas in the 2.5 months of lockdown. Far more than official figure of 2535 deaths.

more
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/03/30/how-wuhan-residents-are-estimating-true-death-countand-its-much-higher-than-official-figure-n2565953
Title: Netherlands recalls 600,000 face masks from China due to low quality
Post by: Elderberry on March 30, 2020, 02:07:41 pm
South China Morning Post by Stuart Lau 3/29/2020

The Netherlands Recalls 600,000 Chinese Face Masks - Comes After Turkey, Spain, Ukraine, Czech Republic Return Faulty Chinese COVID-19 Test Kits       
Dutch officials have recalled 600,000 face masks manufactured in China because they did not meet quality standards, the government’s health ministry said on Saturday.

The news shocked frontline medical staff in the Netherlands, who rely on high-quality products to protect them from contracting Covid-19, Dutch public broadcaster NOS said.

Half of the shipment of 1.3 million supposedly top-of-the-line face masks – known as N95 in the United States and Hong Kong – had already been distributed to doctors and nurses treating the most critical Covid-19 patients, the government said.

More: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3077428/netherlands-recalls-600000-face-masks-china-due-low-quality (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3077428/netherlands-recalls-600000-face-masks-china-due-low-quality)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 05:01:26 pm
Here is an important story, I almost put in the main forum but I will post it here. After a few days, stories in the main "World News" forum will be merged to this thread unless, they appear to be active and very popular. Anyway, I think this is important.

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Chinese 'wet markets' reportedly open back up, selling bats and dogs for human consumption
by Emma Colton  | March 30, 2020 11:51 AM

Chinese “wet markets” have reportedly reopened, selling cats, bats, and dogs for human consumption.

A Mail on Sunday correspondent reported seeing meat markets open back up for business after the Chinese government ordered a ban on the sale of wild animals such as bats following reports they may have contributed to the spread of the coronavirus.

“The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus,” said a correspondent in Dongguan. “The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures which would never have happened before.”

More at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/chinese-wet-markets-reportedly-open-back-up-selling-bats-and-dogs-for-human-consumption (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/chinese-wet-markets-reportedly-open-back-up-selling-bats-and-dogs-for-human-consumption) 

Even if I don't like the idea of eating these animals IF it was in the time of the GREAT FAMINES CHINA did have under at least Mao, and yes, they did have them and the people ate grass, that is understandable.

But if otherwise, this is just an exotic meal, I'm solidly against this.
Title: Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 30, 2020, 05:45:08 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52088167 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52088167)

Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO

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Taiwan is seen as one of the few places in the world which has successfully stemmed the spread of the coronavirus without resorting to draconian measures.

But despite its efforts, it is still effectively locked out of membership in the World Health Organization (WHO) due to its complex relationship with China.

This all exploded over the weekend when a top WHO official appeared to avoid questions about Taiwan in a TV interview that has gone viral, attracting criticism and even accusations of bias.
...
... Earlier this month, Taiwan accused the WHO of ignoring it when the government asked about person-to-person transmission at the very start of the outbreak in China, which it said put lives at risk.
...
... The island has been praised for its swift and decisive handling of its epidemic, which has been relatively controlled and has seen few deaths.

The measures included drastically cutting inbound flights from China and imposing quarantines on travellers early on, which experts say was key in stopping the spread in the community, as well as strict surveillance measures on those in quarantine.

This BBC article soft-pedals the story a bit. On 12/31/2019 China told the world they had an outbreak. On 12/31/2019 Taiwan told WHO that human-human transmission was very likely, and started screening passengers arriving from China on the airplanes. WHO ignored Taiwan's warning until at least 1/20/2020, when China admitted one case human-human transmission. While China misled WHO, pooed the screwch by not heeding Taiwan's warning and thereby misled the world, for three weeks!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 05:49:28 pm
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How British Researchers are Using the Web to Track COVID-19 in Syria
Nicholas Pritchard    Published March 30th, 2020
(https://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/styles/de2e_standard/public/2020-03/Aleppo.jpg?h=06ac0d8c&itok=vHqRVtMs)
Syrian city of Aleppo / AFP
The pressures on public health services the world-over are immense. There are a limited number of healthcare workers, a limited number of ventilators and ICU beds, but an ever-increasing number of patients in need of critical care.

Websites and apps have been developed across the world to fight the virus and identify the most at-risk. In Northwest Syria, one of the most ill-prepared areas on earth, an Arabic website has been launched which hopes to stem the spread of the virus and give relief to an already damaged healthcare system. Syria’s medical response capabilities have been all-but destroyed in the last nine years of war.

    Targeted attacks on hospitals and at least 6 million peoples internally displaced (on top of 5 million who have left the country) mean that the ability to stem the spread of COVID-19 and treat patients is extremely limited.

Read more at: https://www.albawaba.com/news/how-british-researchers-are-using-web-track-covid-19-inside-syria-1347768 (https://www.albawaba.com/news/how-british-researchers-are-using-web-track-covid-19-inside-syria-1347768)

Potentially, real disaster on top of the present one could occur somewhere on earth, it could be one of the prisons or somewhere else.

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The New Arab & agencies
Three Muslim doctors become first physicians in UK to die of coronavirus
Date of publication: 30 March, 2020
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/3/30/british-muslim-doctors-become-first-to-die-of-coronavirus (https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/3/30/british-muslim-doctors-become-first-to-die-of-coronavirus)
Title: More Evidence That the ChiComs Knew They Had a Virus Problem Early in January (and Kept It Under Wra
Post by: libertybele on March 30, 2020, 05:51:45 pm
More Evidence That the ChiComs Knew They Had a Virus Problem Early in January (and Kept It Under Wraps)

The ChiComs have been putting on a big charm offensive lately, offering masks, medical equipment, and medical personnel to 89 countries who are attempting to cope with CCP virus infections. And of course, they trumpet that assistance via CCP-controlled media and useful idiots in the Western press. They falsely convey their magnanimity and altruism while masking their lies and prevarications about the virus that has cost thousands of lives outside Communist China.

Now, we have even more evidence that the cynical Chinese knew they had a serious virus problem well before informing the world with the paltry bits of data and information about the virus that they allowed to be dribbled out in mid- to late-January. To set the timeline context first, here are a couple of cherry-picked data points from an excellent CCP virus timeline posted by Jim Geraghty of The National Review last week:

    January 14: Wuhan city health authorities release another statement declaring, “Among the close contacts, no related cases were found.” Wuhan doctors have known this was false since early December, from the first victim and his wife, who did not visit the market............

................This is five or six weeks after the first evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.

January 19: The Chinese National Health Commission declares the virus “still preventable and controllable.” The World Health Organization updates its statement, declaring, “Not enough is known to draw definitive conclusions about how it is transmitted, the clinical features of the disease, the extent to which it has spread, or its source, which remains unknown.”

January 21: The CDC announced the first U.S. case of a the coronavirus in a Snohomish County, Wash., resident who returning from China six days earlier.

By this point, millions of people have left Wuhan, carrying the virus all around China and into other countries.

January 23: Chinese authorities announce their first steps for a quarantine of Wuhan. By this point, millions have already visited the city and left it during the Lunar New Year celebrations. Singapore and Vietnam report their first cases, and by now an unknown but significant number of Chinese citizens have traveled abroad as asymptomatic, oblivious carriers.............

https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/03/30/more-evidence-that-the-chicoms-knew-they-had-a-virus-problem-early-in-january-and-kept-it-under-wraps/ (https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/03/30/more-evidence-that-the-chicoms-knew-they-had-a-virus-problem-early-in-january-and-kept-it-under-wraps/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 30, 2020, 05:58:02 pm
The US is about to surpass Spain for third on the number of cases identified.  I don't know what happened in New York, but they seem to be driving our numbers.

@cato potatoe

NYC is a virtual cess pool of diseases,and drives the numbers for the rest of the state.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 06:05:48 pm
More on the reopening of the wet markets in China:

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On-scene British reporters say Chinese markets again selling bats, likely source of deadly pandemic

 By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Monday, March 30, 2020

China is permitting wild animal markets to resume selling bats, believed to be the source for the deadly coronavirus now killing people across the globe, including over 2,500 Americans to date, British reporters say.

Chinese authorities in January closed down the Wuhan city “wet” market after five of its workers were among the first diagnosed with what would become COVID-19.

A number of scientists say it is likely that bats either infected other market animals or humans directly. Bats carry a variety of coronaviruses and are blamed on for the 2002 SARS coronavirus epidemic that also originated in a Chinese market.

Read more at:   https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/-scene-british-reporters-say-chinese-markets-again/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/-scene-british-reporters-say-chinese-markets-again/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 30, 2020, 06:06:00 pm
I just found out, we have those kinds of letters too for "essential personnel".

I have one from my company.
I don't know if I will need it, since I am working from home right now.
If I do have to go in, it's 20 miles away, so just in case....
Title: Re: Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 30, 2020, 06:09:52 pm
Dems and the MSM keep parroting the meme that Trump should listen to "the scientists". That he has been is obvious from the actions of his administration, but Trump should be asking "the scientists" why they listened so trustfully to WHO!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 30, 2020, 06:10:39 pm
I have one from my company.
I don't know if I will need it, since I am working from home right now.
If I do have to go in, it's 20 miles away, so just in case....

I wrote one for myself.  I'm retired...lol
Title: Re: More Evidence That the ChiComs Knew They Had a Virus Problem Early in January (and Kept It Under
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 30, 2020, 06:18:04 pm
FWIW, I'm slogging through several timelines to collate the data, with links, but one BIG data point is that the Chinese denied human-human transmission until January 20th. Whether the blame attached to Wuhan, Hubei Province, or the national government, the bottom line is that for three weeks the nations of the world had geared their response strategies to false information.
Title: Hungary's Orban gets sweeping new powers in virus fight
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 06:21:50 pm
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Hungary's Orban gets sweeping new powers in virus fight
Peter MURPHY   ,AFP•March 30, 2020

Budapest (AFP) - Hungary's parliament endorsed a bill on Monday giving nationalist premier Viktor Orban the sweeping new powers he says he needs to fight the new coronavirus pandemic.

Critics at home and abroad have condemned the "anti-coronavirus defence law", saying it gives Orban unnecessary and unlimited power and is a means of cementing his position rather than battling the virus.

After declaring a state of emergency on March 11, the new law gives Orban the power to indefinitely rule by decree until the government decides the emergency is over.

Read more at: https://news.yahoo.com/hungarys-orban-seeks-sweeping-powers-virus-fight-022138638.html

Trending on twitter now.
Title: Re: Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 06:24:40 pm
I agree with this wholeheartedly, WHO is not to be trusted,  CDC is probably to be heavily questioned. The WH meaning White House seems to be in the right direction.

And, maybe this won't happen again to this extent but if we don't listen to voices like Taiwan, surely, we will run into trouble again.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 07:07:47 pm
If the liberal media has idiotic opinions, that's one thing. For the media to intentionally deceive, lie, that is much worse for me.

A lot of people such as Candace Owen I am fairly sure,  have commented on this, I am not sure it was posted here yet:
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CBS News Caught Using Footage from an Italian Hospital to Describe Conditions in New York City (VIDEO)
by Jim Hoft March 29, 2020
    86.2KShare Tweet Email

Emergency Room Footage on CBS Matches Footage from Italian Hospital!

This is footage from SKY News on March 22 from Italy.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/sky-news-italy-600x328.jpg)

And here is footage from CBS News during their New York City report on March 25.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/ny-city-hospital-600x354.jpg)

Read more at:    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/)

Lots of shares on this article.  I haven't seen this posted here unless somebody did just post it.

It looks a bit like CBS was using this a bit like a "stock photo" so maybe that lowers the "intentionally misleading" responsibility slightly if I read this correctly, still.  I'd have to watch the whole report.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 07:14:32 pm
Everything is very sad about this... but it does make me wonder a bit, what if there was an honest-to-gosh biowar weapon attack on us?  Or other nations? It shows that maybe it can be done and what if the virus was even more severe? More of a killer?
Title: Re: More Evidence That the ChiComs Knew They Had a Virus Problem Early in January (and Kept It Under
Post by: dfwgator on March 30, 2020, 07:16:00 pm
FWIW, I'm slogging through several timelines to collate the data, with links, but one BIG data point is that the Chinese denied human-human transmission until January 20th. Whether the blame attached to Wuhan, Hubei Province, or the national government, the bottom line is that for three weeks the nations of the world had geared their response strategies to false information.

Never Trust a Commie
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 07:16:52 pm
Bizpacreview:

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Don Jr's 'must-read thread' - we're all waiting for apologies

Donald Trump Jr. touted a “Must read thread” on social media that slammed the liberal media for “regurgitating” the narrative being pushed by the Chinese Communist Party about coronavirus.

The president’s son shared a link to a Twitter thread from a communications strategist and author who is demanding an apology from the press for pushing Chinese propaganda.

    Must read thread on how the mainstream media has been shamelessly regurgitating Chinese Communist Party lies and propaganda! RT! https://t.co/EAW61x0jNh (https://t.co/EAW61x0jNh)

    — Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) March 29, 2020

Read more at:  https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/30/don-jrs-must-read-thread-were-all-waiting-for-apologies-903101?utm_source=Push%20Notifications&utm_medium=BPR (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/30/don-jrs-must-read-thread-were-all-waiting-for-apologies-903101?utm_source=Push%20Notifications&utm_medium=BPR)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 07:28:12 pm
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Boris Johnson 'Furious' With China's Role in Pandemic
By Eric Mack    |

China faces a "reckoning" in the United Kingdom for this global coronavirus pandemic, from spreading the disease to potentially lying about their number of cases, according to allies of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

"Of course, the only priority now is to deal with the crisis, but everybody knows that there has to be a reckoning when all this is over," a government source told the U.K.'s Daily Mail, adding China has risked becoming a "pariah state."

The outbreak in the U.K. has spread quickly of late, including to the prime minister himself, who is now in quarantine with mild symptoms, after reportedly admitting he had shaken hands with many healthcare workers.

Read more at: https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/pandemic-borisjohnson-confirmed-cases/2020/03/29/id/960407/?oRef=vuukle (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/pandemic-borisjohnson-confirmed-cases/2020/03/29/id/960407/?oRef=vuukle)

China needs a Marshall plan,  international clean up and throw the rulers out.

I'm not talking about invasion but their leaders need to be held to account, the country isolated.   Something along these lines, never again.
Title: Re: Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 30, 2020, 07:40:59 pm
Taiwan is the Asian version of Israel.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 07:52:24 pm
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Twitter pulls down two coronavirus tweets from Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro
Queenie Wong

Twitter removed two tweets by Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro that reportedly included videos of the politician questioning social distancing and quarantine measures aimed at slowing the spread of the novel coronavirus , a sign that the company is taking a tougher stance against health misinformation.

Twitter will leave up some tweets from politicians that violate its rules because of public interest, but will likely draw the line when a tweet can lead to physical harm or violence. Earlier this month, the social network expanded its definition of harm and required users to take down tweets that included a denial of global or local health authority recommendations to decrease a person's likelihood of exposure to COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the coronavirus. The move comes as social networks face criticism that they aren't doing enough to slow the spread of health misinformation.

A Twitter spokesman confirmed it pulled down the Brazilian president's tweets for spreading coronavirus misinformation. "Twitter recently announced the expansion of its rules to cover content that could be against public health information provided by official sources and could put people at greater risk of transmitting COVID-19," a Twitter spokesman said in a statement. 

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/twitter-pulls-down-two-coronavirus-tweets-from-brazils-president-jair-bolsonaro/ar-BB11VDoK (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/twitter-pulls-down-two-coronavirus-tweets-from-brazils-president-jair-bolsonaro/ar-BB11VDoK)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 08:12:48 pm
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Brazil's Bolsonaro Flags Democracy Threat From Coronavirus
March 30, 2020

By Lisandra Paraguassu

BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro stepped up his stand-off with state governments on Monday by suggesting that democracy could be at risk if the coronavirus crisis leads to social chaos.

Bolsonaro has criticised governors in the hardest-hit Brazilian states, calling them "job-killers" for declaring lockdowns to limit the spread of the coronavirus outbreak.

"When the situation is heading toward chaos, with mass unemployment and hunger, it's fertile ground for some to exploit, seeking a way to reach power and never leave it," Bolsonaro told reporters outside the presidential palace.

Read more at:  https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-30/bolsonaro-aims-to-expedite-cash-payments-to-poorer-brazilians (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-30/bolsonaro-aims-to-expedite-cash-payments-to-poorer-brazilians)

Brazil has opened up stadiums to care for patients in case there is overflow and also
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Police in Brazil use helicopter at the beach to disperse crowd amid lockdown: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/police-in-brazil-use-helicopter-at-the-beach-to-chase-crowd-amid-lockdown-report (https://www.foxnews.com/world/police-in-brazil-use-helicopter-at-the-beach-to-chase-crowd-amid-lockdown-report)

So, quite a lot to follow.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 08:21:51 pm
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Covid-19: New Zealanders bumped off repatriation flight from Peru appeal for help
Sarah Robson

Desperate New Zealanders stuck in Peru are pleading with the government for help, after they were bumped off an Australian commercial charter flight that was meant to get them home.

Over the weekend, 24 Kiwis - who had paid more than $5000 each for seats - were told by the travel company organising the flight - Chimu Adventures - that they couldn't board, because there were no same-day flights from Sydney to Auckland once they landed.

But that turned out not to be the case and there is a flight, but it was too late to make any changes.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/covid-19-new-zealanders-bumped-off-repatriation-flight-from-peru-appeal-for-help/ar-BB11SZZ2?li=BBSVtLJ (https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/covid-19-new-zealanders-bumped-off-repatriation-flight-from-peru-appeal-for-help/ar-BB11SZZ2?li=BBSVtLJ)
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Peru readies massive stimulus plan to mitigate coronavirus impact: TV
Marco Aquino

LIMA (Reuters) - Peru’s government is readying a massive economic stimulus package worth around 12% of gross domestic product to help mitigate the impact of a global coronavirus pandemic, the copper-rich country’s economy minister said late on Sunday.

The South American nation is planning to spend 90 billion soles ($26.41 billion) to support citizens and the key mining sector, Economy Minister Maria Antonieta Alva said in a televised interview on Sunday.

The package will have three phases of 30 billion soles each; containing the disease, ensuring companies’ payment chains by granting credit guarantees, and reactivating production.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-peru-idUSKBN21H08R (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-peru-idUSKBN21H08R)

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'We're stuck here:' Sask. couple worried after being trapped in Peru during COVID-19
Couple flew to Peru early March, previous flights out have been cancelled
David Shield · CBC News · Posted: Mar 30, 2020

A Saskatchewan couple is stranded in Peru and has no idea when they are going to be able to return home.

Heather Hind-Hluchaniuk from St. Brieux, Sask. and Russell Edwards from Melfort, Sask. have been in the country for more than three weeks and can't get a flight out.

Days after they arrived in the capital city of Lima, the country's president closed its borders and called a general quarantine.

More at:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/sask-couple-worried-trapped-peru-1.5514678 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/sask-couple-worried-trapped-peru-1.5514678)

Title: Taiwan Says WHO Not Sharing Coronavirus Information It Provides, Pressing Complaints
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 09:01:08 pm
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Taiwan Says WHO Not Sharing Coronavirus Information It Provides, Pressing Complaints
By Reuters

TAIPEI—The World Health Organization (WHO) has not shared with member states information Taiwan has provided on the coronavirus including details on its cases and prevention methods, Taiwan’s Foreign Ministry said on March 30, ratcheting up its complaints.

Taiwan’s lack of membership of the U.N. body, due to Chinese pressure which claims the island as its own with no right to the trappings of statehood, has infuriated the Taiwanese government during the outbreak of the virus.

Taiwan’s government has said that keeping it out of the WHO during the outbreak amounts to playing politics with Taiwanese lives, even as the island has won plaudits for keeping its case toll so comparatively low thanks to early detection and control methods.

Read more at: https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwan-says-who-not-sharing-coronavirus-information-it-provides-pressing-complaints_3288264.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/taiwan-says-who-not-sharing-coronavirus-information-it-provides-pressing-complaints_3288264.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 30, 2020, 09:51:11 pm

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Home | News | China
Army of PRC Twitter Bots Peddles Disinformation About Virus Origins
2020-03-30

China has set up multiple fake bot accounts on Twitter using Radio Free Asia's logo and descriptions to tweet fake news in recent months, including allegations that the coronavirus came from the U.S., a recent investigative report has found.

The tweets are sent by accounts using the RFA logo, but named after various regions of China, for example "Radio Free Guangdong," or "Radio Free Anhui."

They churn out tweets that reflect the official line of the ruling Chinese Communist Party, including the rumor that the coronavirus pandemic originated in the United States and not in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.

Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/twitter-03302020122524.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/twitter-03302020122524.html)

RFA seems to be a go-to place for news as well, right now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 02:02:25 am
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Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
BBC · March 30, 2020

 Taiwan is seen as one of the few places in the world which has successfully stemmed the spread of the coronavirus without resorting to draconian measures.

But despite its efforts, it is still effectively locked out of membership in the World Health Organization (WHO) due to its complex relationship with China.

This all exploded over the weekend when a top WHO official appeared to avoid questions about Taiwan in a TV interview that has gone viral, attracting criticism and even accusations of bias.

Read more at:  https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Why-Taiwan-has-become-a-problem-for-WHO.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=8VUpJuoWePw

The problem and fault really isn't  totally with  Mr Aylward, a Canadian (see video here:  https://twitter.com/studioincendo/status/1243909358133473285  ),  the problem I gather is simply that the UN and then, WHO, does not recognize Taiwan.

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WHO Says It’s Working With Taiwan Experts After Video Goes Viral
Thomas Mulier     ,Bloomberg•March 29, 2020

The World Health Organization said it was working with Taiwanese health experts after an interview went viral in which a senior official appeared to hang up on a reporter who asked about the island’s membership status in light of the Covid-19 outbreak.

In the segment aired by broadcaster Radio Television Hong Kong, a journalist asked Bruce Aylward, who helped lead a WHO mission to China’s Wuhan, if the organization would consider giving Taiwan membership. The footage showed him saying he couldn’t hear properly, and asking the reporter to skip to the next question. It then showed the line disconnecting after the reporter said she’d like to hear more about Taiwan.

Later when the call was reconnected, the presenter asked him to comment on Taiwan’s progress in containing the virus. Aylward replied that all areas of China have done well and wished Hong Kong luck in its efforts.

More:  https://news.yahoo.com/says-working-taiwan-experts-video-132158810.html
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 04:49:04 am
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Jamaica imposes all island curfew for seven days starting April 1
Monday, March 30, 2020

KINGSTON, Jamaica – Prime Minister Andrew Holness has announced that effective, Wednesday, April 1 there will be an all island curfew starting at 8:00 each night and ending at 6:00 am the following day.

The curfew imposition will end at 6:00am on Wednesday, April 8.

Informing the public of the measure at a  press conference at Jamaica House, he explained that the move had become necessary as the Government expects that there will be a significant rise in the number of COVID -19 infections.

Read more at: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Jamaica_imposes_all_island_curfew_for_seven_days_starting_April_1?profile=0 (http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Jamaica_imposes_all_island_curfew_for_seven_days_starting_April_1?profile=0)

So, I believe, Jamaica hasn't been hit too hard yet... so they are taking steps to protect themselves.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on March 31, 2020, 11:20:02 am
If you go to Bing there is a link under the search box with a world map with real time results/stats.

It’s pretty amazing but it awfully depressing.


@TomSea and mods
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 01:55:59 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244977299486883840
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

I watched a portion of low rated (very) Morning Psycho (Joe) this Morning in order to see what Nancy Pelosi had to say, & what moves she was planning to further hurt our Country. Actually, other than her usual complaining that I’m a terrible person, she wasn’t bad. Still praying!
8:18 AM · Mar 31, 2020

It's these kind of calls for bi-partisan unity during a national crisis that have Americans who didn't think President Trump was fit for office, now giving him their support. /sarc

Always
Be
Trolling
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 02:01:01 pm
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Elephants face being chained up and left to starve in Thailand after coronavirus crushed the country's tourism industry

    Images have surfaced of elephants chained up and underfed in Chiang Mai

    Tourism funds the 600lb of food each day needed to keep the elephants alive

    Campaigners fear they will be used in illegal logging along the Thai-Myanmar border - in breach of a 30-year-old law which banned the use of elephants

    Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?

By Ryan Fahey For Mailonline and Afp

Published: 04:42 EDT, 31 March 2020 |

Read more at:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8170933/Elephants-face-chained-left-starve-Thailand-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8170933/Elephants-face-chained-left-starve-Thailand-coronavirus.html)

From article:
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/31/10/26624678-8170933-image-a-38_1585646068465.jpg)
A locator map shows Chiang Mai, where elephant parks are being shuttered down due to dwindling tourists since the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic

More images there, a Buddhist Monk with one of the elephants, I hope they can be taken care of.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2020, 02:01:52 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244977299486883840
It's these kind of calls for bi-partisan unity during a national crisis that have Americans who didn't think President Trump was fit for office, now giving him their support. /sarc

Always
Be
Trolling
I kinda see it as pointing out the obvious. She had to stuff the "relief" Bill with pork, kickback money for the DNC and other 'features' that have the American taxpayer reaching for the soap in the shower, again.
There will be no bipartisan unity, not so long as Democrats are one of the Parties.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2020, 02:02:03 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244977299486883840
It's these kind of calls for bi-partisan unity during a national crisis that have Americans who didn't think President Trump was fit for office, now giving him their support. /sarc

Always
Be
Trolling

@Once-Ler


Gee,and we were THIS close to having her,Chuckie,and the rest of the DNC agreeing to be responsible and put America ahead of themselves,too!

</S> (needed the sarcasm tag because it's likely you would think it's true.)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 02:07:31 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244977299486883840
It's these kind of calls for bi-partisan unity during a national crisis that have Americans who didn't think President Trump was fit for office, now giving him their support. /sarc

Always
Be
Trolling

Oh, really? Pelosi would keep money from families that need it to fund abortion? And we are criticizing the president?

@Once-Ler

Pelosi's behavior, the impeachment charade, all of this is beyond the pale.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 02:14:33 pm
I kinda see it as pointing out the obvious.
It's not.
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She had to stuff the "relief" Bill with pork, kickback money for the DNC and other 'features' that have the American taxpayer reaching for the soap in the shower, again.
This is the law that passed unanimously and was signed by President Trump, yes?
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There will be no bipartisan unity, not so long as Democrats are one of the Parties.
I expect $Trillions more of bipartisan unity.  As my President often says "We will have to see."  Thanks for your reply @Smokin Joe
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2020, 02:19:02 pm
It's not.This is the law that passed unanimously and was signed by President Trump, yes? I expect $Trillions more of bipartisan unity.  As my President often says "We will have to see."  Thanks for your reply @Smokin Joe
Well, it is obvious to those of us who watch what the Democrats do.
Sure, it was unanimous, but I'm not about to mistake political posturing for unity.
They are all stuck having to appear to "do something", but that isn't even skin deep, otherwise they would not have haggled what they did over it in the face of the panic. NOT unity. Jus' politics.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 02:21:13 pm
@Once-Ler
</S> (needed the sarcasm tag because it's likely you would think it's true.)
I'm dumb like that sometimes @sneakypete .  I thought you were Anti-Dubya on another thread because I believed some of your previous posts that had no sarcasm tag.  I was so pleasantly surprised that you had no criticism.  It was sweet. 6666kiss
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 02:24:27 pm
Well, it is obvious to those of us who watch what the Democrats do.
Sure, it was unanimous, but I'm not about to mistake political posturing for unity.
They are all stuck having to appear to "do something", but that isn't even skin deep, otherwise they would not have haggled what they did over it in the face of the panic. NOT unity. Jus' politics.
I don't expect the President to become pals with the rats.  I expect him to fake it better for the good of the nation.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2020, 02:25:33 pm
I don't expect the President to become pals with the rats.  I expect him to fake it better for the good of the nation.
It's a little late for that. How about they fake it, for a change?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2020, 02:26:22 pm
I'm dumb like that sometimes @sneakypete .  I thought you were Anti-Dubya on another thread because I believed some of your previous posts that had no sarcasm tag.  I was so pleasantly surprised that you had no criticism.  It was sweet. 6666kiss

@Once-Ler

I am Anti-Dumbya. Then,now,and forever and ever,amen.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 02:42:10 pm
@Once-Ler

I am Anti-Dumbya. Then,now,and forever and ever,amen.

Maybe you forget somedays.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2180626.html#msg2180626 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2180626.html#msg2180626)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2020, 02:44:55 pm
I don't usually put out a PSA on much, but during this crisis I hope and wish everyone would just take a few minutes while you are out to thank the delivery person, the mailman, the policeman, the fireman, the stockman, materials production operation and maintnenance employees, the truck driver, the checkout clerk,  and everyone else who is doing their best to stay safe while keeping society, the supply chain, and the economy going.

Showing some verbal appreciation is a tremendous morale booster for many of these who could probably really use it right now.

And God bless those in the Medical profession right now who are basically the infantry soldiers in this mess.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 02:45:45 pm
It's a little late for that. How about they fake it, for a change?
Like Coumo?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/488067-cnns-bash-praises-trumps-tone-the-kind-of-leader-that-people-need

CNN's Bash praises Trump's tone: 'The kind of leader that people need'

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“If you look at the big picture, this was remarkable from the president of the United States,” Bash said following the briefing. “This is a nonpartisan, this is an important thing to note and to applaud from an American standpoint, from a human standpoint.”

“He is being the kind of leader that people need, at least in tone, today and yesterday, in tone that people need, and want and yearn for in times of crisis and uncertainty,” she added.
 
Trump on Tuesday said his focus is saving "the maximum number of lives" while declaring the economy will come "roaring back."

“We are looking to save the maximum number of lives,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “Everything else is going to come back. A life is never going to come back. Our economy is going to come roaring back.”
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: FeelNoPain on March 31, 2020, 02:50:24 pm
It's a little late for that. How about they fake it, for a change?

    Because "they" aren't the president. He has the bully pulpit. He should be doing it. Did Obama or Bush hop on twitter every time they were pilloried with responses reminiscent of tween girl venom? They were both re-elected; let's see in November if Trump can say the same thing.

    I am certain that swing voters can't wait to sign up for 4 more years of this daily belching of immaturity and diminishment from the office of the presidency.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 02:52:35 pm
I don't usually put out a PSA on much, but during this crisis I hope and wish everyone would just take a few minutes while you are out to thank the delivery person, the mailman, the policeman, the fireman, the stockman, materials production operation and maintnenance employees, the truck driver, the checkout clerk,  and everyone else who is doing their best to stay safe while keeping society, the supply chain, and the economy going.

Showing some verbal appreciation is a tremendous morale booster for many of these who could probably really use it right now.

And God bless those in the Medical profession right now who are basically the infantry soldiers in this mess.

Will do and goopo
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: FeelNoPain on March 31, 2020, 02:53:15 pm
I don't usually put out a PSA on much, but during this crisis I hope and wish everyone would just take a few minutes while you are out to thank the delivery person, the mailman, the policeman, the fireman, the stockman, materials production operation and maintnenance employees, the truck driver, the checkout clerk,  and everyone else who is doing their best to stay safe while keeping society, the supply chain, and the economy going.

Showing some verbal appreciation is a tremendous morale booster for many of these who could probably really use it right now.

And God bless those in the Medical profession right now who are basically the infantry soldiers in this mess.

Hell, yeah. I already have been doing this with my words and my money.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2020, 02:54:46 pm
    Because "they" aren't the president. He has the bully pulpit. He should be doing it. Did Obama or Bush hop on twitter every time they were pilloried with responses reminiscent of tween girl venom? They were both re-elected; let's see in November if Trump can say the same thing.

    I am certain that swing voters can't wait to sign up for 4 more years of this daily belching of immaturity and diminishment from the office of the presidency.
Revenue measures originate in the House, in order to be Constitutional. They must pass the Senate. At that point, it's like "shutting down the government", only worse if the POTUS fails to approve the measure, especially in a time when the media have the people in a panic.

Bully pulpit or no, all the president can do is sign or veto what is brought to him. He can berate the Congress until the sky falls, but that won't put a decent measure on his desk--especially without media support.

The DNC is already getting kickbacks from the pork.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2020, 03:00:41 pm
Maybe you forget somedays.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2180626.html#msg2180626 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2180626.html#msg2180626)


@Once-Ler

Maybe you ain't thinking very clearly?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2020, 03:02:43 pm
    Because "they" aren't the president. He has the bully pulpit. He should be doing it. Did Obama or Bush hop on twitter every time they were pilloried with responses reminiscent of tween girl venom? They were both re-elected; let's see in November if Trump can say the same thing.

    I am certain that swing voters can't wait to sign up for 4 more years of this daily belching of immaturity and diminishment from the office of the presidency.

@FeelNoPain

What if I say "Pretty Please"?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 03:05:07 pm
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'KILLED ON DEMAND' Fears China is ‘executing muslim prisoners and harvesting their organs to treat coronavirus patients’
    Jon Lockett
    11 Mar 2020, 12:22Updated: 11 Mar 2020, 12:23

THERE are growing fears China is executing muslim prisoners so they can harvest their organs to treat dying coronavirus patients.

The concerns come after Beijing boasted it had performed a successful double transplant op on a patient given just days to live.

Now human right monitors are asking how the two matching lungs needed for the 59-year-old's life-saving surgery were found so quickly.

Read more at:  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11147059/fears-china-executing-muslim-prisoners-organs-coronavirus/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11147059/fears-china-executing-muslim-prisoners-organs-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 31, 2020, 03:05:49 pm
I don't usually put out a PSA on much, but during this crisis I hope and wish everyone would just take a few minutes while you are out to thank the delivery person, the mailman, the policeman, the fireman, the stockman, materials production operation and maintnenance employees, the truck driver, the checkout clerk,  and everyone else who is doing their best to stay safe while keeping society, the supply chain, and the economy going.

Showing some verbal appreciation is a tremendous morale booster for many of these who could probably really use it right now.

And God bless those in the Medical profession right now who are basically the infantry soldiers in this mess.

Amen!  Well said.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2020, 03:05:50 pm
Revenue measures originate in the House, in order to be Constitutional. They must pass the Senate. At that point, it's like "shutting down the government", only worse if the POTUS fails to approve the measure, especially in a time when the media have the people in a panic.

Bully pulpit or no, all the president can do is sign or veto what is brought to him. He can berate the Congress until the sky falls, but that won't put a decent measure on his desk--especially without media support.

The DNC is already getting kickbacks from the pork.


@Smokin Joe @FeelNoPain

He knows that. He is a college-educated government bureaucrat. He is here to add strength to the Never Trump Brigade. Most likely because his government job is at risk if Trump is re-elected.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: FeelNoPain on March 31, 2020, 03:07:00 pm


LOVE sneakypete!!!
 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: FeelNoPain on March 31, 2020, 03:08:46 pm
@Smokin Joe @FeelNoPain

He knows that. He is a college-educated government bureaucrat. He is here to add strength to the Never Trump Brigade. Most likely because his government job is at risk if Trump is re-elected.

You better stop sneakster. My wife is getting jealous.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2020, 03:17:25 pm
You better stop sneakster. My wife is getting jealous.

@FeelNoPain

She has contempt for you,too?

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: FeelNoPain on March 31, 2020, 03:24:44 pm
@FeelNoPain

She has contempt for you,too?

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 03:39:34 pm
OK,  CIVILITY EVERYONE, any 'offensive" language will be deleted without warning, we can't have this and we have a crisis facing the nation and the world.  Take it to personal messages.  Talk about the topic, not each other. Talk of former presidents if one must but do it in a respectful way, so loosely speaking, stay on topic. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 03:42:30 pm

@Once-Ler

Maybe you ain't thinking very clearly?

 :silly:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 03:48:44 pm
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Russian Hospital Chief Who Met Putin Last Week Has Coronavirus
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/russian-hospital-chief-who-met-putin-last-week-has-coronavirus (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/russian-hospital-chief-who-met-putin-last-week-has-coronavirus)

Now, what is this second article about? It seems like it could pertain to the way we are approaching this as well.

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Italy Home Quarantine Repeats China’s Mistake, Doctors Say

Italy needs to shift to mass quarantining of coronavirus patients with mild symptoms instead of letting them isolate at home, according to a group of Chinese experts who traveled to the European nation to advise officials there.

Doctors in Wuhan made the same error early on in the outbreak, said Liang Zong’An, head of the respiratory department at the West China Hospital at Sichuan University. While seriously ill patients were admitted to hospitals, doctors at the time recommended that those with mild symptoms isolate themselves at home, in part to reduce the strain on Wuhan’s overburdened health care system.

Back then, it was not well understood how infectious the virus can be even in those who don’t seem very sick. But researchers now know that those with mild symptoms who are told to stay at home usually risked passing the virus to family members, as well as to others outside their homes as some still moved around freely.

Read more at:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-30/italy-home-quarantine-repeats-mistake-made-in-china-doctors-say (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-30/italy-home-quarantine-repeats-mistake-made-in-china-doctors-say)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 31, 2020, 04:26:12 pm
Now, what is this second article about? It seems like it could pertain to the way we are approaching this as well.

The second article is of great interest because this is exactly what we are being told to do here.  Mild symptoms - stay home.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 04:36:53 pm
Oh, really? Pelosi would keep money from families that need it to fund abortion? And we are criticizing the president?

@Once-Ler

Pelosi's behavior, the impeachment charade, all of this is beyond the pale.

If I concede Pelosi should be trying to work with the President, and I do, it does not excuse the President's counterproductive tweets.  They do not calm the markets, because they do not calm the people that We Are All In This Together.  Until the people are calm there will be no return to the stores.  Thanks for your reply @TomSea 
Title: Re: More Evidence That the ChiComs Knew They Had a Virus Problem Early in January (and Kept It Under
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 31, 2020, 04:41:32 pm
Time to decouple from China stat..
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 05:40:18 pm
If I concede Pelosi should be trying to work with the President, and I do, it does not excuse the President's counterproductive tweets.  They do not calm the markets, because they do not calm the people that We Are All In This Together.  Until the people are calm there will be no return to the stores.  Thanks for your reply @TomSea

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Scott Walker
@ScottWalker
Thanks for standing up for common sense @BryanSteil
!!!!

It is outrageous that @SpeakerPelosi
 forced that in for the Kennedy Center. It has nothing to do with fighting the coronavirus and she knows it.

The $25 million should go away. And Pelosi should too!

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1245031437830696961

See, that would be one thing, if Pelosi were coopartive to begin with but I think she has been far from that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on March 31, 2020, 05:47:09 pm
See, that would be one thing, if Pelosi were coopartive to begin with but I think she has been far from that.

Pelosi is being extremely cooperative!  With the CHICOMS!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 06:18:30 pm
See, that would be one thing, if Pelosi were coopartive to begin with but I think she has been far from that.
https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1242941474918064129 (https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1242941474918064129)
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James Hohmann @jameshohmann
·
Mar 25
Trump says he personally signed off on the money for the Kennedy Center as a compromise. He says Democrats asked for the money, and "I didn't have a big problem with it."

It was in the Republican draft bill too.

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/trump-25m-kennedy-center-stimulus-i-didnt-have-big-problem-it (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/trump-25m-kennedy-center-stimulus-i-didnt-have-big-problem-it)

video at https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/trump-says-hes-a-fan-of-the-kennedy-center/vp-BB11Iesz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/trump-says-hes-a-fan-of-the-kennedy-center/vp-BB11Iesz)


Thanks for your reply @TomSea
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 07:01:37 pm
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British Government FURIOUS With China, Believe They Could Have 40 TIMES As Many Coronavirus Cases As Reported
The UK believes China could be lying big.
on Mar 31, 2020    By Richard Moorhead

High-ranking British governmental officials are reportedly furious with China’s handling of the coronavirus, believing that the nation’s communist government severely understated the severity of the viral epidemic and may be lying about its official count of diagnoses by an order of 40.

Reporting from the Daily Mail indicates that British officials believe China is set to face a “reckoning” over their handling of the virus, and faces the prospect of becoming a “pariah state” for its role in allowing coronavirus to spread.

British government figures are far from the only disease spectators who are extremely suspicious of China’s official disease diagnosis count and fatality rate. Italy surpassed China’s admitted death count last week, suggesting that China managed to contain the entirely novel disease to a greater extent, despite the virus being entirely in nature when first surfacing in the nation’s Hubei province. That is, if China’s claim of incurring 3,300 deaths can be trusted.

Read more at:  https://bigleaguepolitics.com/british-government-furious-with-china-believe-they-could-have-40-times-as-many-coronavirus-cases-as-reported/
Title: Chinese Government Finally Acknowledges Underreporting Coronavirus Cases
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2020, 07:06:16 pm

Chuck Ross
Investigative Reporter
March 31, 2020 2:04 PM ET


A top Chinese health official said Wednesday that the government will begin counting coronavirus patients without symptoms in its official tally of cases of the virus, in what is a tacit acknowledgement that Beijing has underreported data on the pandemic.

China’s National Health Commission disclosed that the government is monitoring 1,541 people who have tested positive for coronavirus but have no symptoms.

Chang Jile, the head of the health agency, said at a press conference in Wuhan that the government will start reporting asymptomatic patient numbers Wednesday.

“From April 1, we will publish reports, outcomes and management of asymptomatic people in daily epidemic notifications, and respond to social concerns in a timely manner,” Jile said, according to CCTV.

Jile’s statement is the first time that the government has officially acknowledged that it has undercounted patients.

China’s official tally has hovered just above 80,000 cases for several weeks, while countries around the globe have seen their case numbers explode. The United States had reported more than 160,000 positive cases as of Tuesday.

more
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/chinese-government-underreporting-coronavirus/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 31, 2020, 08:27:46 pm
China has to be lying big time. Will the dead there ever be counted?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 31, 2020, 08:29:51 pm
China has to be lying big time. Will the dead there ever be counted?

Their bodies are gone.

So, no.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on March 31, 2020, 08:30:19 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245076016965566464

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Great news! American families will now be able to buy safer, more affordable, and environmentally friendly cars with our new SAFE VEHICLES RULE. Get rid of those old, unsafe clunkers. Build better and safer American cars and create American jobs. Buy American!
2:50 PM · Mar 31, 2020

FANTASTIC NEWS if you're looking to buy a new car.  If you're laid off without pay, or quarantined due to sickness, sucks to be you today.
Title: Re: Chinese Government Finally Acknowledges Underreporting Coronavirus Cases
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 08:42:52 pm
Important article but this to me, also says, why believe anything they say now?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on March 31, 2020, 08:49:53 pm
If I were the leader of a country and even if I thought, this virus wasn't what it was cracked up to be, I'd at least, largely go with what I saw other leaders doing, especially, with neighboring countries in South America. They all seem to take this serious.
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Brazil's Gangs Do What Bolsonaro Won't: Enforce a Lockdown
Andres Schipani, Bryan Harris

It was a stark warning to the residents of Brazil’s densely populated slums — but not one delivered by the federal government, health officials or even state police.

With President Jair Bolsonaro dismissing the pandemic as “sniffles” and criticizing regional lockdown measures, the country’s drug gangs and paramilitary groups have stepped in to enforce social distancing to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

“Whoever is caught on the street will learn how to respect the measure. We want the best for the population. If the government is unable to manage, organized crime resolves,” read one message sent to residents of a Rio de Janeiro slum.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-gangs-do-what-bolsonaro-wont-enforce-a-lockdown/ar-BB11SqJq (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-gangs-do-what-bolsonaro-wont-enforce-a-lockdown/ar-BB11SqJq)

Yes, I really wish he was not doing this. Make no mistake, Brazil is still taking measures to combat the virus but maybe not enough, someone would need to research it. I know they opened a stadium up for patients, I forget other; apparently, the local governors are still quarantining in their states.
Title: Rick Scott: World Health Organization Helped China ‘Cover Up’ Coronavirus
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2020, 09:16:06 pm
Sean Moran31 Mar 2020160
3:08

Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) on Tuesday called on Congress to hold a hearing and investigate the World Health Organization’s (WHO) role in helping China conceal the threat of the coronavirus.

Scott said in a statement on Tuesday:

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The mission of the WHO is to get public health information to the world so every country can make the best decisions to keep their citizens safe. When it comes to Coronavirus, the WHO failed. They need to be held accountable for their role in promoting misinformation and helping Communist China cover up a global pandemic. We know Communist China is lying about how many cases and deaths they have, what they knew and when they knew it – and the WHO never bothered to investigate further. Their inaction cost lives.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/31/rick-scott-world-health-organization-helped-china-cover-up-coronavirus/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/31/rick-scott-world-health-organization-helped-china-cover-up-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: Rick Scott: World Health Organization Helped China ‘Cover Up’ Coronavirus
Post by: dfwgator on March 31, 2020, 09:20:39 pm
He's right, you know!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on March 31, 2020, 09:33:38 pm
Claim that 15,000 have died in Iran of Chinese Coronavirus.

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/31/reports-iran-has-lost-17-officials-nearly-15000-people-to-chinese-coronavirus/ (https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/31/reports-iran-has-lost-17-officials-nearly-15000-people-to-chinese-coronavirus/)

The population of Iran is approximately 80 million people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2020, 09:57:37 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245076016965566464

FANTASTIC NEWS if you're looking to buy a new car.  If you're laid off without pay, or quarantined due to sickness, sucks to be you today.

I am sure the POTUS meant well, but a tweet like thay gives shades of  "Let Them Eat Cake"  comments from a few hundred years ago.

I don't think Americans really want to be told now they need to go buy a car.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2020, 09:59:38 pm
Their bodies are gone.

So, no.

I saw some pretty grim numbers if the death toll can be based on Chinese cell phone data.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on March 31, 2020, 10:04:36 pm
I saw some pretty grim numbers if the death toll can be based on Chinese cell phone data.

I don't even want to think about what's been going on in that vile Communist country....

I wonder if that cell phone data can be corroborated by people whose family member just came up "missing."    :shrug:
Title: Coronavirus: Italy’s Death Toll Exceeds 12,000, but Italian Officials Believe They Have Reached the
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2020, 10:40:57 pm
Coronavirus: Italy’s Death Toll Exceeds 12,000, but Italian Officials Believe They Have Reached the ‘Peak’

Alana Mastrangelo 31 Mar 2020

In the last 24 hours, 837 people have died in Italy from the Chinese coronavirus, bringing the nation’s overall death toll to 12,428 as of Tuesday — an increase of 7.2 per cent in one day. The percentage, however, has been on a decline for the past few days, while some Italian officials say they believe that Italy has reached its “peak.”

Newly released data from Italy’s Civil Protection reveals that the country’s death toll from the virus has risen from 11,591 on Monday to 12,428 on Tuesday.

The total number of confirmed coronavirus cases has also risen from 101,739 to 105,792. The newly confirmed cases of the virus, however, have been showing a slight decline for the past five days.

“We have reached the peak of the infections,” said the head of Italy’s Superior Health Institute, Silvio Brusaferro, according to a report by La Repubblica.

“The curve shows us that it seems we are reaching a sort of plateau — the phase in which the peak remains stable for a certain period,” he added. “This figure that shows us that the measures are working.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/31/coronavirus-italys-death-toll-exceeds-12000-but-italian-officials-believe-they-have-reached-the-peak/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/31/coronavirus-italys-death-toll-exceeds-12000-but-italian-officials-believe-they-have-reached-the-peak/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 31, 2020, 10:47:12 pm
I am sure the POTUS meant well, but a tweet like thay gives shades of  "Let Them Eat Cake"  comments from a few hundred years ago.

I don't think Americans really want to be told now they need to go buy a car.
I don't want a new car.  There are simply too many sensors and gadgets on the dang things to fail.

I like my 20+ year old vehicles, don't want onstar, don't want GPS, don't want to talk with my car, or watch movies or any of that while I am driving. If I decide I want a back up camera I can get one, but that is what mirrors and paying attention are for. Sure, he meant well, but don't even think about messing with my fleet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: Italy’s Death Toll Exceeds 12,000, but Italian Officials Believe They Have Reached
Post by: Fishrrman on March 31, 2020, 11:06:46 pm
“The curve shows us that it seems we are reaching a sort of plateau — the phase in which the peak remains stable for a certain period,” he added. “This figure that shows us that the measures are working.”

That's good, but...
... how long will "the peak" last until the graph starts to bend downward?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 12:13:55 am
I don't even want to think about what's been going on in that vile Communist country....

 

@musiclady

Small technical correction. The Chinese government is no longer Communist. It is now full-blown Fascist, communism's more intelligent and successful cousin.

Still a police state,but with a police state with a higher standard of living.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 12:16:55 am
I don't want a new car.  There are simply too many sensors and gadgets on the dang things to fail.

I like my 20+ year old vehicles, don't want onstar, don't want GPS, don't want to talk with my car, or watch movies or any of that while I am driving. If I decide I want a back up camera I can get one, but that is what mirrors and paying attention are for. Sure, he meant well, but don't even think about messing with my fleet.

@Smokin Joe

You know what I would love to be able to buy new? A short wheelbase,short bed Dodge Ram pu with the pre-smog slant  6 and auto trans,ps,pb,and AC. Also a 71 Dart or Duster equipped the same way.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 12:22:23 am
This is pretty interesting, China also was involved in cloning, China needs to be isolated, they are the reason all this stuff is going on OR maybe I should properly say the Chinese Communist Party:

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Michael Coudrey
@MichaelCoudrey
WOW: A recently resurfaced story published by Italian State Media in 2015 highlighted how China was conducting biological expiriements with a Coronavirus derived from bats and mice, and modifying it with surface proteins to give it an ability to infect human respiratory cells.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUehU2ZXQAICmfX?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUehU2bWsAA9HQy?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUehU2eWAAU0rNe?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1245141228133351424

So, see link above.  Holy $%&

One of the comments says Tucker is talking about the Chinese labs tonight.  So, that's on now, if one can see it and repeats itself later...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 12:27:39 am
Big riots at Iranian prisons, I saw some video:

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Prisoners riot in southwest Iran over coronavirus fears
March 31, 2020

A number of prisoners riot in the Sheiban Prison of Ahvaz and clashed with prison guards on Tuesday, March 31, 2020.
Inmates were protesting lack of hygiene supplies and the coronavirus epidemic.

The unrest followed a riot in the city’s Sepidar Prison by inmates fearing coronavirus outbreak.

During the protests, sounds of shooting could be heard and a thick smoke could be seen arising from the prison building.

Read more at:  https://iran-hrm.com/index.php/2020/03/31/prisoners-riot-in-southwest-iran-over-coronavirus-fears/

Also, just saw this:

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Patrick Howley
@HowleyReporter
Tucker:

South China University of Technology said in a paper that Virus "probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan."

2 possible labs spotlighted including Wuhan Institute of Virology

But NIH is "running political interference for hostile foreign governments" says Tucker


https://twitter.com/HowleyReporter/status/1245141626521096192

Whooah.... I guess I missed it but will tune in later.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2020, 12:40:42 am
This is pretty interesting, China also was involved in cloning, China needs to be isolated, they are the reason all this stuff is going on OR maybe I should properly say the Chinese Communist Party:

So, see link above.  Holy $%&

One of the comments says Tucker is talking about the Chinese labs tonight.  So, that's on now, if one can see it and repeats itself later...


They don't repeat Tucker's show anymore.  I have a Fire Stick, so I can catch it all on streaming any time.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 12:43:04 am

They don't repeat Tucker's show anymore.  I have a Fire Stick, so I can catch it all on streaming any time.

I know I'll probably be able to see vital parts at the fox website then.  Direct TV does say it repeats at 11PM CST.  Direct TV schedule does indicate a repeat:  https://www.directv.com/guide (https://www.directv.com/guide)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 12:49:14 am
:yowsa:

@FeelNoPain

I think I may have known her in the past. Or maybe a couple of her sisters?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 12:53:55 am
@Once-Ler

IF you have a stable retirement check coming in,savings,or secure job,this is the best time I have ever seen to buy a new car or truck.

Both Ford and GM are offering no money down deals with ZERO percent interest for 84 months on new 2019 and 2020 cars and trucks.

It just doesn't get any gooder than that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 01, 2020, 12:54:57 am
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/31/ron-desantis-continues-to-resist-a-florida-shutdown/ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/31/ron-desantis-continues-to-resist-a-florida-shutdown/)

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A reason why Florida hasn’t shut down? Nobody from White House task force said so, DeSantis says.
For the first time since the the coronavirus reached Florida a month ago, DeSantis held the news conferences where members of the Capitol press corps could follow social distancing precautions.
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“I’m in contact with (the White House task force) and I’ve said, are you recommending this?” DeSantis said. “The task force has not recommended that to me. If they do, obviously that would be something that carries a lot of weight with me. If any of those task force folks tell me that we should do X, Y or Z, of course we’re going to consider it. But nobody has said that to me thus far.”

What a leader. :thud:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 01, 2020, 01:02:28 am
@Once-Ler

IF you have a stable retirement check coming in,savings,or secure job,this is the best time I have ever seen to buy a new car or truck.

Both Ford and GM are offering no money down deals with ZERO percent interest for 84 months on new 2019 and 2020 cars and trucks.

It just doesn't get any gooder than that.

@sneakypete I think that is basically the same thing I said...
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FANTASTIC NEWS if you're looking to buy a new car.  If you're laid off without pay, or quarantined due to sickness, sucks to be you today.
  And what better way to spend the day then test driving a car with a stranger.  Are you agreeing with me?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 01:05:28 am
@sneakypete I think that is basically the same thing I said...
 

@Once-Ler

You didn't state WHY it is a good time.


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And what better way to spend the day then test driving a car with a stranger.  Are you agreeing with me?

No.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 01, 2020, 01:12:30 am
No.

 *who knows*
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 01:13:20 am
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Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
Good for @TuckerCarlson
 for bringing attention to a study by *Chinese* scientists about the origins of the China virus. Not what you’ll hear from MSM.

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1245151593500217350

Cotton has a clip of Tucker's shows.

Dang China, could this have been created in a lab? This bat doesn't live around Wuhan nor are they saying it was traded in the market.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 01, 2020, 01:58:04 am
Cotton has a clip of Tucker's shows.

Dang China, could this have been created in a lab? This bat doesn't live around Wuhan nor are they saying it was traded in the market.

It is all lies. China is trying to create a false history pointing to something else that the western media is all too happy to repeat.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2020, 03:36:30 am
@Smokin Joe

You know what I would love to be able to buy new? A short wheelbase,short bed Dodge Ram pu with the pre-smog slant  6 and auto trans,ps,pb,and AC. Also a 71 Dart or Duster equipped the same way.
My only beef with that is that the turning radius of Dodges just sucks. But I have an '87 long box, manual 4 speed, slant 6 (bullet proof motor), w/PS and PB, (no AC, but the heater works pretty well). It's a great truck. I have fond memories of a '70 Coronet 440 I had as a grad student, too.

At this point for a fun vehicle, I'd like a Studebaker Hawk, but even though I got to drive one for a couple months, it was not to be...
Title: Re: Chinese Government Finally Acknowledges Underreporting Coronavirus Cases
Post by: LadyLiberty on April 01, 2020, 03:54:58 am
Adding 1500 infected but asymptomatic is bs.  There were way more than that, as well as an astronomical amounts of symptomatic,  hospitalized, and deaths. Saying that there were an additional 1500 asymptomatic is a joke. The entire world should turn their backs on China and refuse any contact or business with them. No travel, no anything.  Officially ghost them.
Title: Re: Chinese Government Finally Acknowledges Underreporting Coronavirus Cases
Post by: jafo2010 on April 01, 2020, 04:31:38 am
China is a rogue nation.  Treating them with any respect is insane.  This is the 3rd or 4th major outbreak from China in a couple decades, and they have never been called to task.

I say they owe the world for the cost of this outbreak.  Every last trillion!!!

This country was safer before Nixon opened the door to China.  I say close that door until they agree to basic conditions you would expect from anyone that has honorable intentions.

Title: Coronavirus: why Prato, home to Italy’s biggest single Chinese community, is remarkably unscathed
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 09:15:18 am
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Coronavirus: why Prato, home to Italy’s biggest single Chinese community, is remarkably unscathed

    Prato’s Chinese community went into lockdown from the end of January, three weeks before Italy’s first recorded infection

    Town’s infection rate to almost half the Italian average – 62 cases per 100,000 inhabitants versus 115 for the country

Reuters
Published: 11:24am, 1 Apr, 2020

In the storm of infection and death sweeping Italy, one big community stands out to health officials as remarkably unscathed – the 50,000 ethnic Chinese who live in the town of Prato.

Two months ago, the country’s Chinese residents were the target of what Amnesty International described as shameful discrimination, the butt of insults and violent attack by people who feared they would spread the coronavirus through Italy.

But in the Tuscan town of Prato, home to Italy’s biggest single Chinese community, the opposite has been true. Once scapegoats, they are now held up by authorities as a model for early, strict adoption of infection-control measures.

Read more at:   https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3077880/coronavirus-why-prato-home-italys-biggest-single (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3077880/coronavirus-why-prato-home-italys-biggest-single)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 09:20:16 am
It is all lies. China is trying to create a false history pointing to something else that the western media is all too happy to repeat.

What are lies? What Cotton says? Please make it clear.  He's a Bronze Star recipient.

Tucker's show did record @Cyber Liberty   and a lot of good stuff on it. Of course, it all takes a lot more investigation of this before coming to conclusions, a segment from 60 Minutes Australia was shown.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 09:26:42 am
Power line:

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Don't let China off the hook

Our friend Michael Auslin explains the importance of pushing back against China’s effort to deflect blame for the origin and spread of the Wuhan coronavirus. The case for holding China accountable is founded in morality, global governance, and the need to protect against future pandemics.

The moral case stems from the Chinese government’s reprehensible response to the early outbreak of the pandemic there. Auslin reminds us:

 
Chinese officials knew of the seriousness of the pandemic as early as December, yet waited weeks to begin restricting travel, allowing millions of Wuhan residents to visit relatives elsewhere in the country and abroad for Lunar New Year celebrations, spreading the virus as they went. British scientists have argued that if Beijing had acted just three weeks earlier, it could have reduced the spread of the virus by 95 percent.

    We also know that in the time before the outbreak’s seriousness became apparent outside China, the CCP destroyed laboratory samples and punished the brave doctors and citizens who tried to warn their countrymen and the world about the pathogen, while refusing foreign offers of help. We are almost certain that Beijing dramatically underreported the number of deaths in Wuhan, and is no longer reporting new infections in China.

Read more at:  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/dont-let-china-off-the-hook.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/dont-let-china-off-the-hook.php)



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 09:29:26 am
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Outrage over regime’s failure to release any Ahwazi women prisoners, as coronavirus fears worsen
2 weeks ago

Fresh outrage has rocked the Ahwaz region in Iran at the discovery that the regime’s decision to release 85,000 prisoners to reduce the risk of coronavirus in prisons did not include even one of the tens of thousands of male and female Ahwazi political prisoners detained in the regime’s massively overcrowded jails. This follows recent remarks by the regime’s judiciary spokesman, Gholamhossein Ismaili, who announced the decision to release 10,000 prisoners in honour of Nowruz celebrations, indicating that half of those released would be security prisoners.

‘Security prisoner’ is a term used to refer to any detainee charged by the regime with being a threat to Iran’s national security, a charge commonly used against activists and dissidents.

The release of the 85,000 detainees was also announced by Ismaili, at a news conference on Tuesday. The announcement raised the hope of thousands of Ahwazi prisoners’ families that their loved ones, many arrested for protesting or speaking out against the regime, might be coming home. These hopes were quickly dashed upon discovering that no Ahwazis were included in the amnesty.

Read more at:  https://www.dusc.org/en/article/5616 (https://www.dusc.org/en/article/5616)

One may debate on the severity of the disease but it certainly would be terrible to be trapped somewhere without treatment. A lot of folks still need hospital attention no matter how healthy or what age they are.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 09:40:22 am
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In Taiwan, Anger at China Over Virus Drives Identity Debate
April 1, 2020
By Ben Blanchard

TAIPEI (Reuters) - Anger at being confused with China amid the coronavirus outbreak and Beijing's stepped-up efforts to assert sovereignty is stirring heated debate in Taiwan about how to further distance itself from its giant and often threatening neighbour.

At its core is a debate about whether to drop "China" from the island's official name, the Republic of China.

During the virus crisis, the World Health Organization (WHO), which considers the island part of China, has listed Taiwan's far lower case number under China's, and China has repeatedly insisted only it has the right to speak for Taiwan on the global stage, including about health issues.


Read more at: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-01/in-taiwan-anger-at-china-over-virus-drives-identity-debate (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-01/in-taiwan-anger-at-china-over-virus-drives-identity-debate)

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Life under lockdown is brutal for India's female day laborers
"How can we do social distancing? It’s virtually impossible," residents say.
By   Erin Schumaker
April 1, 2020,

 India's first week of a nationwide 21-day lockdown in response to the coronavirus has shined a brutal spotlight on the plight of the country's most vulnerable citizens.

Mirai Chatterjee, who is based in densely populated Ahmedabad, a northern city of more than 5 million, knows this better than anyone.

"The poorest and weakest in our society are the women," said Chatterjee, who directs the social security team for the Self-Employed Women's Association (SEWA), a trade union that supports 1.7 million low-income women who are self-employed.

Continued at:  https://abcnews.go.com/International/life-lockdown-brutal-indias-female-day-laborers/story?id=69893685 (https://abcnews.go.com/International/life-lockdown-brutal-indias-female-day-laborers/story?id=69893685)

The thing is, once this thing takes hold, it can sky rocket. Germany was doing well but the latest stats and I mean, only for one day, no more are not positive:

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Germany reports 5,453 additional coronavirus cases, 149 more deaths

BERLIN (Reuters) - The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Germany has risen to 67,366 and 732 people have died of the disease, statistics from the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) for infectious diseases showed on Wednesday.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-cases/germany-reports-5453-additional-coronavirus-cases-149-more-deaths-idUSKBN21J43S (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-cases/germany-reports-5453-additional-coronavirus-cases-149-more-deaths-idUSKBN21J43S)

That's bad for one day, real bad.
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Japan 'on the brink' as it struggles to hold back coronavirus
Kiyoshi Takenaka, Elaine Lies

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan is struggling to hold the line against the coronavirus and is on the brink of crisis with medical experts particularly worried about preparations in Tokyo, officials said on Wednesday, raising the prospect of emergency lockdowns.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan/japan-on-the-brink-as-it-struggles-to-hold-back-coronavirus-idUSKBN21I3LX (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan/japan-on-the-brink-as-it-struggles-to-hold-back-coronavirus-idUSKBN21I3LX)

More related stories at:  https://www.reuters.com/news/world (https://www.reuters.com/news/world)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 10:45:00 am
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Chinese Communist Party Should Pay Reparations for Pandemic Coverup, Rep. Banks Says
By Eva Fu and Jan Jekielek
March 23, 2020 Updated: March 23, 2020

The Beijing regime should pay a “severe price” for covering up the deadly CCP virus pandemic and inflicting a huge financial and health toll on the United States and Americans, Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.) told The Epoch Times.

The “reparations” could take on a variety of forms, including forcing China to forgive some or all of the U.S. national debt that China has bought up, institute tariffs on Chinese goods as a punishment, and pull state pension funds out of Chinese investments, according to Banks.

More:  https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-communist-party-should-pay-reparations-for-ccp-virus-coverup-rep-banks-says_3283293.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-communist-party-should-pay-reparations-for-ccp-virus-coverup-rep-banks-says_3283293.html)

 People talk about reparations but obviously, you can't bring back the people killed in this. And remember, not that long ago, Biden of the Dumbocrats blew off any hostility against China and I mean, last Fall or so, before this whole episode with the Wuhuan flu.

About Iran, that guy Khameini  or Rouhani, I don't have these guys straight, has billions I understand, how much, I don't know but he could help his own country out instead of those griping about sanctions on Iran:

Goldberg below, he might be the guy who I've heard is very knowledgeable and critical about that Iran nuclear deal. i think he may be out of Illinois, Republican.

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The Coronavirus Is Absolutely No Excuse to Lift Sanctions on Iran
Exploiting Iran's coronavirus crisis to demand an end to sanctions is fundamentally dishonest—and panders to a brutal regime.
By Mark Dubowitz, Richard Goldberg | March 31, 2020, 3:30 PM

Iran’s clerical dictatorship cares more about its own survival than it cares about the welfare of the Iranian people. But you wouldn’t know it from the chorus of Americans and Europeans exploiting the coronavirus crisis in Iran to push the Trump administration to lift sanctions against Iran. This is fundamentally dishonest—the sanctions do not restrict medical supplies and other forms of humanitarian aid—and plays into the hands of a brutal regime.

Iran’s human rights record is one of the worst in the world. Last fall, the regime killed 1,500 people who peacefully protested the dictatorship’s mishandling of the economy. Soon after, it blew a passenger airliner out of the sky, killing everyone on board. A few weeks ago, Iranian-backed militias killed two U.S. and one British soldier in Iraq.

Last week, we learned that Robert Levinson, a former FBI agent held by Iran, died in captivity. His captors refused to provide information on his whereabouts to his long-suffering family for 13 years. More Americans and other foreigners, arbitrarily detained and falsely accused of being spies, remain hostage in Iranian jails today.

More at: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/31/the-coronavirus-is-absolutely-no-excuse-to-lift-sanctions-on-iran/ (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/31/the-coronavirus-is-absolutely-no-excuse-to-lift-sanctions-on-iran/)

Yes, Richard Goldberg:    https://twitter.com/rich_goldberg (https://twitter.com/rich_goldberg)


Or the dumbed down electorate can vote for a Chinese suckup like Biteme, who has profited from big money deals in China, either Joe or someone he's close to, disgraceful and despicable.

Title: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2020, 02:12:13 pm
Britain’s attempt to ramp up mass coronavirus testing has been dealt a blow after key components ordered from overseas were discovered to be contaminated with coronavirus, the Telegraph can disclose.

Laboratories across the country were on Monday warned to expect a delay after traces of the virus were detected in parts due for delivery in the coming days.

It comes as ministers and public health chiefs face growing questions over why Britain’s testing capacity appears to be lagging far behind other major nations including the US and South Korea.

To accelerate production, the government has enlisted private firms to help produce thousands of kits in the hope that mass testing will be available to the public within weeks....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/uks-attempt-ramp-coronavirus-testing-hindered-key-components/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585641262 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/uks-attempt-ramp-coronavirus-testing-hindered-key-components/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1585641262)
Title: Re: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2020, 02:13:21 pm
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that "key components ordered from overseas" means components ordered from China.

What better way to infect MORE people than to contaminate the kits with the very disease you're using them to test people with.
Title: Re: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2020, 03:40:16 pm
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that "key components ordered from overseas" means components ordered from China.

What better way to infect MORE people than to contaminate the kits with the very disease you're using them to test people with.

I don't think people were infected by the tests, but it threw a lot of false positives onto the statistics (that won't be corrected).  Leftists could then be counted upon to use the distorted statistics as a bludgeon against conservatives.
Title: Re: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 01, 2020, 05:19:30 pm
Is this yet another country @#$%ed over by faulty test kits from China? Czech Republic, Spain, Ukraine, and Turkey have reported a 70%-80% failure rate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: DB on April 01, 2020, 05:37:10 pm
Is this yet another country @#$%ed over by faulty test kits from China? Czech Republic, Spain, Ukraine, and Turkey have reported a 70%-80% failure rate.

Anyone ordering test kits from China should expect this. Stupid has consequences.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 05:42:05 pm
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Inside an Israeli Coronavirus Hospital
How Galilee Medical Center in the northern town of Nahariya is tackling COVID-19
by   Hillel Kuttler   March 31, 2020

This is the eight-step dressing regimen of Adham Abdalrazik, a nurse at the Galilee Medical Center in the northern Israel town of Nahariya, before seeing patients in this COVID-19 era. In a cramped supply room, he grabs a pair of thin shoe covers from a plastic bin and slips them over his feet. At the next bin, he pumps a sanitizer jug and cleans his hands. He continues to his left, progressively donning blue gloves, a blue gown, hair netting, an N95 mask, a face shield, and another pair of gloves.

Abdalrazik normally works in the hospital’s geriatrics department. But these are not normal times, so the geriatric patients were relocated from here to the internal medicine department three weeks earlier and a COVID-19 department was configured in its place. Abdalrazik’s patients now—three patients on this day—are solely those with COVID-19.

It is Wednesday, March 25, and we are in the department’s Yellow Zone. Abdalrazik’s patients are maybe 10 steps away in the hermetically sealed Red Zone. The department has 24 beds and nine rooms, including a six-bed room reserved for critical-care patients, of which there haven’t been any yet. Only five patients have been hospitalized here with COVID-19, all with mild cases of the highly contagious virus. Each patient has been young: a 49-year-old and the rest 23 to 29.

Read more at: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israeli-coronavirus-hospital?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=46401b275c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_31_10_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-46401b275c-208005253 (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israeli-coronavirus-hospital?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=46401b275c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_31_10_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-46401b275c-208005253)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 01, 2020, 06:23:10 pm
What are lies? What Cotton says? Please make it clear.  He's a Bronze Star recipient.

Tucker's show did record @Cyber Liberty   and a lot of good stuff on it. Of course, it all takes a lot more investigation of this before coming to conclusions, a segment from 60 Minutes Australia was shown.

China, as what you quoted says. China is creating a false history of events that the western media is all too willing to repeat no questions asked.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 06:29:31 pm
My only beef with that is that the turning radius of Dodges just sucks.

@Smokin Joe

Short bed standard cab pu's have a short wheelbase,and don't have that problem.

I would kinda like to buy a new pu,but AFAICT,none of the American manufacturers sells short wheelbase standard cab pu's,anymore. You have to buy a extended cab or crew cab to get a short box,which defeats the purpose of having a short box.

I have a extended cab 4x4 diesel pu with the long bed,and when I try to park it in places like the VA parking lot,there just isn't enough room to get into a parking space in less than 15 minutes of back and forth,and getting back out again is no better.

Looks like I am going to have to get something like a Ranger or a Toyota.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 06:31:05 pm
What are lies? What Cotton says? Please make it clear.  He's a Bronze Star recipient.

Tucker's show did record @Cyber Liberty   and a lot of good stuff on it. Of course, it all takes a lot more investigation of this before coming to conclusions, a segment from 60 Minutes Australia was shown.

@TomSea

ROFLMAO!  Never spend much time in a SF NCO club,have you?
Title: Chinese Regime Using Pandemic to Advance Global Ambitions, Expert Says
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 08:06:06 pm
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Chinese Regime Using Pandemic to Advance Global Ambitions, Expert Says

As the world grapples with a sprawling health crisis, the Chinese Communist Party is using the pandemic to expand its global influence, according to China expert Robert Spalding.

A retired U.S. Air Force brigadier general and author, Spalding said in an interview with The Epoch Times that the Chinese regime has seized upon the pandemic fallout as an opportunity to extend its control on the global supply chain, and to deflect responsibility for having created the disaster.

He described it as “unrestricted warfare” in full force. A strategy crafted by Chinese military officials in the late 1990s—unrestricted warfare—as he explained in his book “Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept,” refers to using a series of unconventional warfare tactics designed to accomplish the goals of war, without engaging in actual combat.

See More At:    https://m.theepochtimes.com/chinese-regime-using-pandemic-to-advance-global-ambitions-expert-says_3294231.html

Title: BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbreak,
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2020, 08:43:37 pm
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BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbreak, Report Says
www.dailywire.com (http://www.dailywire.com)
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The U.S. Intelligence Community reportedly presented President Donald Trump with a highly classified report last week that confirmed that communist China lied to the world about the number of cases and deaths it’s suffered from the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, which originated in China.

“China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete,” Bloomberg News reported, according to three U.S. officials that it spoke to. “Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.”

“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence told CNN in an interview on Wednesday. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.”

Read more:  https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-u-s-intelligence-tells-trump-that-china-intentionally-lied-about-coronavirus-outbreak-report-says/ (https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-u-s-intelligence-tells-trump-that-china-intentionally-lied-about-coronavirus-outbreak-report-says/)
 
Title: Re: BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbre
Post by: dfwgator on April 01, 2020, 08:56:42 pm
You don't need U.S. Intelligence to know that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2020, 09:36:06 pm
@Smokin Joe

Short bed standard cab pu's have a short wheelbase,and don't have that problem.

I would kinda like to buy a new pu,but AFAICT,none of the American manufacturers sells short wheelbase standard cab pu's,anymore. You have to buy a extended cab or crew cab to get a short box,which defeats the purpose of having a short box.

I have a extended cab 4x4 diesel pu with the long bed,and when I try to park it in places like the VA parking lot,there just isn't enough room to get into a parking space in less than 15 minutes of back and forth,and getting back out again is no better.

Looks like I am going to have to get something like a Ranger or a Toyota.
Don't buy new. For the price of a new one, you could go through the drive train completely, rewire and replace much of the other stuff on a solid older pickup. Look for an area where road salt isn't in use, like here or way south, and the older trucks survive pretty well. Some project possibilities: http://www.hotrodgarage.net/trucksforsale.html (http://www.hotrodgarage.net/trucksforsale.html) (I have no connection with these folks, just stumbled across their site).

(As for parking, back it in, it won't take less time getting in, but getting out is much faster.)
Title: Re: BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbre
Post by: Absalom on April 01, 2020, 09:41:15 pm
Since the Shang Dynasty of some 4,000 years past, core traits
of Chinese behavior have included cheating, lying and stealing.
This is the opinion not only of westerners; more importantly
it has been the experience of China's Asian neighbors.
Anyone shocked by China during this plague needs to wise up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbre
Post by: dfwgator on April 01, 2020, 09:43:00 pm
Since the Shang Dynasty of some 4,000 years past, core traits
of Chinese behavior have included cheating, lying and stealing.
This is the opinion not only of westerners; more importantly
it has been the experience of China's Asian neighbors.
Anyone shocked by China during this plague needs to wise up.

Just as with Muslims and "Taqqiya"
Title: Re: BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbre
Post by: catfish1957 on April 01, 2020, 09:47:24 pm
You don't need U.S. Intelligence to know that.

Absolutely.  I have been screaming 30 years that the Chicoms are way above and beyond our biggest enemies.  And our biggest threat.
Title: Re: BREAKING: U.S. Intelligence Tells Trump That China ‘Intentionally’ Lied About Coronavirus Outbre
Post by: Absalom on April 01, 2020, 09:48:29 pm
Just as with Muslims and "Taqqiya"
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On the mark.
Title: Carlson: A Chinese research paper suggests the coronavirus may have been released accidentally from
Post by: mystery-ak on April 01, 2020, 10:27:23 pm
Carlson: A Chinese research paper suggests the coronavirus may have been released accidentally from a lab

John Sexton Posted at 3:01 pm on April 1, 2020

Tucker Carlson has been ahead of the curve on coronavirus coverage. Earlier this month he did a segment arguing that, contrary to what some other Fox hosts were saying at the time, the coronavirus was much worse than the flu. He was right. More recently, Carlson argued that it was obvious everyone should start wearing masks to protect themselves and others, contrary to the word from health officials.



On last night’s show, Carlson raised another hot topic related to the virus: It’s origin. The story we’ve all heard many times is that the virus arose from bats in a wet market in Wuhan. Carlson points out a Chinese research paper which suggested it’s more likely the virus arose from one of two nearby labs.

more
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/04/01/tucker-carlson-chinese-study-said-coronavirus-probably-released-accidentally-lab/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 10:34:17 pm

Don't buy new. For the price of a new one, you could go through the drive train completely, rewire and replace much of the other stuff on a solid older pickup. 

@Smokin Joe

You mean on those days when I feel well enough to do anything,and am not workin on my 37 Dodge 4x4 pu,my 39 IHC pu,my ,51 Ford Victoria,my 51 Ford business coupe,my 31 Plymouth coupe,my 33 Plymouth coupe,my 33 Dodge sedan,etc,etc,etc?

The only reason I am thinking about trading my 2016 4x4 Crew Cab in is it is out of warranty now,and I can buy a new 2020 Ford or GM 2wd ext cab short bed pu,get O percent financing for 84 months,and end up paying less money than I am now,and have a warranty.

New trucks are a tool to me. They hold no real attraction other than the warranty and the convenience. Plus,I don't mind running them out to the highway and back when the road is underwater. No way in hell am I driving any my old stuff through standing water that is brackish.

I am considering buying a 06 Toyota 2wd swb pu with the 4cyl engine,auto trans,and ac from a friend though. No dings or dents,perfect upholstery,new tires,and he wants 2500 for it. Truck has 200+ miles,but burns no oil and you can't hear it run. Seems like it might be the perfect "beater truck" for me. I would buy it for sure it it had another 2 inches of ground clearance,but if push came to shove I could always have a friend pick up stuff for me at the grocery store,and drive my tractor with the cab and ac out to the highway to meet him and pick up the stuff.

BTW,I have decided to keep my 06 GMC 3/4 ton 4x4 extended cab long wheelbase truck,instead of selling it.

Not driving it though the water,either. It's my "road trip truck".
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2020, 10:40:24 pm
@Smokin Joe

You mean on those days when I feel well enough to do anything,and am not workin on my 37 Dodge 4x4 pu,my 39 IHC pu,my ,51 Ford Victoria,my 51 Ford business coupe,my 31 Plymouth coupe,my 33 Plymouth coupe,my 33 Dodge sedan,etc,etc,etc?
Point made. I have a '41 K2 Inny, and a '75 FJ40 that are projects at the moment, and should be resurrecting my Shovelhead (sitting for a decade). Still, spend a little time looking, you never know what's out there that is more turn key, and it's always nice to dream. I saw fire engines from the era I was a fireman...
Title: Re: Rick Scott: World Health Organization Helped China ‘Cover Up’ Coronavirus
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 01, 2020, 10:45:05 pm

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/world-health-organization-china-misinformation/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/world-health-organization-china-misinformation/)

Sen Rick Scott Wants Probe Of WHO-China ‘Cover Up’
CHUCK ROSS
March 31, 2020  4:37 PM ET
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Florida Sen. Rick Scott on Tuesday called for a congressional investigation into whether the World Health Organization pushed Chinese government misinformation to help the communist regime “cover up” the extent of the coronavirus pandemic.

Scott, a Republican, also called for congressional hearings to consider whether the United States should continue funding WHO. The United States contributes nearly 15% of WHO’s annual budget, far greater than any other nation.

“They need to be held accountable for their role in promoting misinformation and helping Communist China cover up a global pandemic,” Scott said in a statement.

As I've said on other sites, I favor UNexit - the US from the UN, and the UN from the US. More to this article's point, WHO ignored Taiwan's 12/31 advice of caution and did not admit human-human transmission was happening until China acknowledged it on January 20th. WHO and the UN, not President Trump, have blood on their hands.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 10:48:02 pm
Point made. I have a '41 K2 Inny, and a '75 FJ40 that are projects at the moment, and should be resurrecting my Shovelhead (sitting for a decade). Still, spend a little time looking, you never know what's out there that is more turn key, and it's always nice to dream. I saw fire engines from the era I was a fireman...

@Smokin Joe

I haven't ridden my custom 76 FLH since around 1985. Last two times I left home with it my back went out,and me and the bike both rode home in a rollback. The scoot didn't seem to care,but it embarrassed the hell out of me to think someone saw it and thought a bike I had built had broke done. It was ME that broke down.

Been keeping it all these years waiting to get better so I can ride again.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2020, 10:55:44 pm
@Smokin Joe

I haven't ridden my custom 76 FLH since around 1985. Last two times I left home with it my back went out,and me and the bike both rode home in a rollback. The scoot didn't seem to care,but it embarrassed the hell out of me to think someone saw it and thought a bike I had built had broke done. It was ME that broke down.

Been keeping it all these years waiting to get better so I can ride again.
@sneakypete I parked my '82 during the boom's rise here. we had backed up semi traffic on streets in town at 3 AM and it was worse during the day. It's in a rigid (79) drag specialties frame and built so low the front pipe drags on a perfectly executed right turn, leaving a trail of sparks. That uses the outside of that lane, though, and with the traffic from all over, that was sometimes occupied by some unforgiving opposing traffic. It says "Live to Ride", not die to. So, I parked it for the duration, which seems to be roughly here.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 01, 2020, 10:59:57 pm
@sneakypete I parked my '82 during the boom's rise here. we had backed up semi traffic on streets in town at 3 AM and it was worse during the day. It's in a rigid (79) drag specialties frame and built so low the front pipe drags on a perfectly executed right turn, leaving a trail of sparks. That uses the outside of that lane, though, and with the traffic from all over, that was sometimes occupied by some unforgiving opposing traffic. It says "Live to Ride", not die to. So, I parked it for the duration, which seems to be roughly here.

@Smokin Joe

My back got so bad in the middle 70's that I got away from raked rigid frames,and sold my 40 knuckle with the 3/4 rake and 15 over springer,and went to Fat Bobs with swing arms.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 01, 2020, 11:19:02 pm
@Smokin Joe

My back got so bad in the middle 70's that I got away from raked rigid frames,and sold my 40 knuckle with the 3/4 rake and 15 over springer,and went to Fat Bobs with swing arms.
Never was much on springers, although a girder was okay. Mine has 6 over tubes, springs under the solo saddle, and I always ran the back tire a little low. I got real good at spotting chuckholes. Last (American) swingarm frame I had was a '76 superglide, although I have a 74 550-4 Honda (lowered in back, but still a swingarm, 6  over tubes) I need to swap engines in. My grandson is interested in it.
Title: Re: Rick Scott: World Health Organization Helped China ‘Cover Up’ Coronavirus
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2020, 11:19:12 pm
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/world-health-organization-china-misinformation/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/world-health-organization-china-misinformation/)

Sen Rick Scott Wants Probe Of WHO-China ‘Cover Up’
CHUCK ROSS
March 31, 2020  4:37 PM ET
As I've said on other sites, I favor UNexit - the US from the UN, and the UN from the US. More to this article's point, WHO ignored Taiwan's 12/31 advice of caution and did not admit human-human transmission was happening until China acknowledged it on January 20th. WHO and the UN, not President Trump, have blood on their hands.

Add the CDC to that list of those having blood on their hands.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2020, 01:14:22 am
Looks like I am going to have to get something like a Ranger or a Toyota.


I got into mini vans for a runabout while I was a painter...
And now I will always have one. Throw the 3rd row seat out, add a ladder rack, and it has tremendous utility.
Short, light, easy on gas. Park it anywhere. And the cops don't mess with you. a minivan with ladders is invisible to cops.

The sweet spot is 2wd Caravans. They have crappy transmissions. The tranny will make it 50-75k, and they are worthless with a busted tranny. 500 bucks will buy a super clean, super straight yard ornament, and if you know a guy, 1500-2k later you've got a runabout that will be trouble free for 50k or more, for $2500 bucks.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 01:59:09 am
This is amazing! Philippines:
Quote
Duterte warns groups disrupting quarantine
Christina Mendez (The Philippine Star
) - April 2, 2020 - 12:00am

PNP told: Shoot them dead

...

President Duterte ordered the police and the military last night to shoot dead those who will continue to hold protests that disrupt peace and order during the enhanced community quarantine.

Duterte issued the order after members of the left-leaning urban poor group Kadamay reportedly instigated a protest that turned violent over food distribution in Quezon City.

...  Duterte said. “Tingnan ninyo, patay, kesa magulo kayo dyan, e di ilibing ko na kayo, yang libing akon yan. Huwag ninyo na subukan ang gobyerno kasi ang gobyerno ito.”

More at: https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/04/02/2005000/duterte-warns-groups-disrupting-quarantine (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/04/02/2005000/duterte-warns-groups-disrupting-quarantine)

I don't think the Philippines is being "hit hard" per say but this is really interesting, Food distribution,  also some of that lingo, Pinoy?  Anyway,


  Live Philippines  (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/01/30/1989038/live-updates-novel-coronavirus-philippines)
Title: Scientist Who Predicted Pandemic Blasts WHO: ‘They Set Us Back A Great Deal’
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 04:28:35 am
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Scientist Who Predicted Pandemic Blasts WHO: ‘They Set Us Back A Great Deal’
April 01, 2020 12:12 PM ET

    Dr. Michael Osterholm, a leading expert on infectious disease, blasted the World Health Organization’s early analysis of the threat posed by the novel coronavirus.

    “When you look at what WHO did I think they set us back a great deal,” Osterholm said in a podcast interview this week.

    He said that WHO’s guidance about the transmissibility of coronavirus led health experts to hold back on preparation for the pandemic
.

A world-renowned epidemiologist credited with predicting the coronavirus pandemic blasted the World Health Organization in an interview for creating a false sense of security that the virus could be easily contained.

Read more at: https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/01/michael-osterholm-rogan-coronavirus/
Title: China seizes Covid-19 advantage in South China Sea
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 04:50:42 am
An assist by Drudge Report but they have up "war drums"??  Which just adds to the chaos.  Surely Drudge may be being melodramatic but all the same, hey, it's something to watch.

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China seizes Covid-19 advantage in South China Sea

MANILA – With the Covid-19 pandemic mostly contained in China and now wreaking havoc on the United States, security analysts are closely watching Beijing’s military moves in the hotly contested South China Sea.

In recent days, China has conducted military drills and deployed large-scale military assets to the maritime area while at the same time officially celebrating strides made in exploiting disputed energy resources in the fossil fuel-rich sea.

While some see China’s nationalistic messaging as a bid to rally its people during difficult Covid-19 times, others view the increasingly aggressive naval maneuvers as a bid to exploit America’s weakened condition to secure new advantage in the hot spot theater.

Read more at: https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/china-seizes-covid-19-advantage-in-south-china-sea/
Title: Wuhan doctor who 'goes missing' (abbrev.)
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 05:05:29 am
Quote
Wuhan doctor who was among the first to alert other medics to the spread of coronavirus 'goes missing' amid fears she has been detained for speaking out
Jemma Carr For Mailonline

A Wuhan doctor who was among the first to alert other medics to the spread of coronavirus has disappeared sparking concerns that she has been detained, reports suggest.

Dr Ai Fen said she faced 'unprecedented, extremely harsh reprimanded' by officials at Wuhan Central Hospital after she shared a picture of a patient report labelled 'SARS coronavirus'.

The image was widely circulated and made its way to whistle-blower Li Wenliang who raised the alarm about the bug, which has killed more than 41,000 people worldwide.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wuhan-doctor-who-was-among-the-first-to-alert-other-medics-to-the-spread-of-coronavirus-goes-missing-amid-fears-she-has-been-detained-for-speaking-out/ar-BB121wcG?OCID=ansmsnnews11#image=BB121wcG_1 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wuhan-doctor-who-was-among-the-first-to-alert-other-medics-to-the-spread-of-coronavirus-goes-missing-amid-fears-she-has-been-detained-for-speaking-out/ar-BB121wcG?OCID=ansmsnnews11#image=BB121wcG_1)|5
Title: Re: China seizes Covid-19 advantage in South China Sea
Post by: Absalom on April 02, 2020, 05:13:36 am
An assist by Drudge Report but they have up "war drums"??  Which just adds to the chaos.  Surely Drudge may be being melodramatic but all the same, hey, it's something to watch.
------------------------------
.............China's increasingly aggressive Naval manoeuvres.............?????
Er...........when did China acquire a Navy?????
Reminds of 1755 when the Chinese Emperor embezzled millions from his
Admiralty, spending it on Italian Marble for his Blue Warship at the Imperial Palace.
Ship still hasn't moved an inch in 265 years!
So lets configure Chinese power; no Air Force, no Navy and an Army w/3 to a rifle.
Hmmm................
Title: Re: Wuhan doctor who 'goes missing' (abbrev.)
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2020, 09:38:38 am
Can't have anyone out there who can dispute the wet market fable...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 11:30:47 am
Grain of salt but it sounds very plausible.  I usually don't even go by this source but I do think this merits a mention. Governments hiding anything like this from their citizenry should be exposed.
Quote
Botin Kurdistani
@kurdistannews24
WATCH: #Turkey secretly building burial pits for #coronavirus victims.

since February,people are dying from #corona #virus in Turkey,
 but #Turkish Authorities hiding #COVIDー19 deaths,

because of #Erdogan's Concern about Turkish Airlines & Tourism industry.
#video #BREAKING

Video:  https://twitter.com/kurdistannews24/status/1245657996245401600

Natural suspects of some of those car bombs on the Syrian/Turkish border is pretty obvious. So, it's not as if I hold out the Kurds as some perfect group but they've had it tough in fighting ISIS and so on.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 02, 2020, 11:40:34 am
Video:  https://twitter.com/kurdistannews24/status/1245657996245401600
All I see is over turned dirt.
It can't hurt to know of the allegations though.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2020, 12:59:34 pm
Grain of salt but it sounds very plausible.  I usually don't even go by this source but I do think this merits a mention. Governments hiding anything like this from their citizenry should be exposed.
Natural suspects of some of those car bombs on the Syrian/Turkish border is pretty obvious. So, it's not as if I hold out the Kurds as some perfect group but they've had it tough in fighting ISIS and so on.
The Kurds have been shat upon since the Partition. Their tribe's area was divided into 4 countries.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 02, 2020, 02:20:25 pm
Steve Milloy  @JunkScience
In Italy, hypertension is the standout co-morbidity for death from #covid19.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf?mod=article_inline (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf?mod=article_inline)
Image
9:38 AM · Apr 2, 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUmj7hJXQAEj6eT?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 02, 2020, 02:29:04 pm
Steve Milloy  @JunkScience
In Italy, hypertension is the standout co-morbidity for death from #covid19.



Very interesting graphic.  However, Like in this country 100M supposedly are hypertenisve.  Stats may reflect incidence, which is obviously much more a frequency than the other condtions.  I wonder how they are enumeratng this.  Diagnosis?  Controlled?  Uncontrolled?  Under medication?  No doubt High BP is a serious co-existing condition, but there are ways to manipulate the stats to not give the true picture.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 02, 2020, 03:29:53 pm
Very interesting graphic.  However, Like in this country 100M supposedly are hypertenisve.  Stats may reflect incidence, which is obviously much more a frequency than the other condtions.  I wonder how they are enumeratng this.  Diagnosis?  Controlled?  Uncontrolled?  Under medication?  No doubt High BP is a serious co-existing condition, but there are ways to manipulate the stats to not give the true picture.

In medical stats, I have hypertension.  In real life, medically controlled, my BP stays around 115/75, so even though statistically I have hypertension, should I die of coronavirus, my blood pressure would not even be a contributer, let alone the cause.

But as you said, stats can be manipulated, so at this point they are not conclusive.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 05:06:00 pm
Japan banning visitors from USA, some of Europe and China:
https://news.yahoo.com/japan-expands-ban-visitors-virus-cases-climb-004658499.html (https://news.yahoo.com/japan-expands-ban-visitors-virus-cases-climb-004658499.html)

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Here's How China Is Rewriting the History of the Coronavirus Pandemic to Make Itself the Hero
David Gilbert

At midnight on Friday, China closed its borders to the rest of the world as it tries to stop a resurgence of the coronavirus.

The move was the culmination of a months-long PR and disinformation campaign waged by the Chinese government to rewrite the history of a pandemic that has spread to almost every corner of the planet, killed more than 34,000 people, and infected almost three-quarters of a million.

China initially ignored the outbreak that first surfaced in Wuhan in early December, silencing doctors who tried to raise the alarm before eventually enacting a draconian and restrictive lockdown that impacted 50 million people.

Read more at:  https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8843dz/heres-how-china-is-rewriting-the-history-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-to-make-itself-the-hero?utm_campaign=sharebutton (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8843dz/heres-how-china-is-rewriting-the-history-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-to-make-itself-the-hero?utm_campaign=sharebutton)
RenewAmerica cited the above article and indeed, the next article too.

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'Cover-up': Chinese researched bat virus near Wuhan market
Scientific work conducted just a few miles from coronavirus epicenter
By WND Staff Published March 31, 2020

Just three miles from a wild animal market identified as the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic, Chinese government researchers were carrying out scientific research on 2,000 new viruses, including deadly bat coronaviruses.

Veteran Washington Times national security reporter Bill Gertz reported several Chinese state media outlets spotlighted the virus research, including Wuhan researcher Tian Junhua, noted for his leadership in bat virus work.

The coronavirus strain -- which has infected 856,700 worldwide, with 42,092 deaths -- mutated from bats believed to have infected animals and people at a wild animal market in Wuhan, China.

Read more at:  https://www.wnd.com/2020/03/cover-chinese-researched-bat-virus-near-wuhan-market/ (https://www.wnd.com/2020/03/cover-chinese-researched-bat-virus-near-wuhan-market/)
Quote
How Trump is taming the bureaucracy and saving lives
by Cliff Kincaid
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/200330 (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/200330)

Quote
Senator wants World Health Organization 'held to account'
Rubio cites group's 'subservience to Beijing'
WND News Services By WND News Services
Published April 2, 202

by Peter Hasson
Daily Caller News Foundation

The leaders of the World Health Organization (WHO) need to be “held to account” for their “subservience to Beijing” during the coronavirus pandemic, Republican Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said in an op-ed Wednesday.


WHO, an arm of the United Nations, has provided cover for Chinese authorities as they attempt to shirk responsibility for the global coronavirus pandemic.

TRENDING: Obama drops coronavirus bombshell: It's all due to climate change!

“The world’s leading global health organization cannot be used as a tool of the CCP, and the U.S. — the WHO’s largest financial contributor, giving five times as much money as obligated — must take steps to ensure it does,” Rubio wrote in National Review.

Read more at: https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/senator-wants-world-health-organization-held-account/ (https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/senator-wants-world-health-organization-held-account/)



Title: Re: Wuhan doctor who 'goes missing' (abbrev.)
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 02, 2020, 05:11:17 pm
Ai Fen, director of Wuhan Central Hospital, posted a WeChat message about the new SARS-like virus and reprimanded: December 30, 2019, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities)

I'm not aware that she had commented on possible origins of the outbreak. OTOH, as one who could comment on how things were handled and information suppressed, those might be reasons why she has "gone missing".
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 05:13:18 pm
 Gordon Chang  (https://twitter.com/GordonGChang) pointed this out about Luckin Coffee. I had never heard of this Chinese brand.
Quote
Shares of China's Luckin Coffee plummet 80% after investigation finds COO fabricated sales

(https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/105919529-1585832332686preview.jpg?v=1585832358&w=678&h=381)
Reinout Schakel, chief financial officer of Luckin Coffee Inc., speaks during a television interview ahead of the company’s initial public offering (IPO) at the Nasdaq MarketSite in New York, on Friday, May 17, 2019.

Article:  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/luckin-coffee-stock-plummets-after-investigation-finds-coo-fabricated-sales.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/luckin-coffee-stock-plummets-after-investigation-finds-coo-fabricated-sales.html)

They must be in more than just China to have a CFO like above. Sort of a Chinese Starbucks.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 05:43:02 pm
Tweet, Gordon Chang:

Quote
Gordon G. Chang@GordonGChang
#HongKongers are right: After #China's #XiJinping saw that the #coronavirus crippled his own country, he took steps that inevitably led to its spread elsewhere. This monster is coming for all of us. @Matcha_898
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUmrPB0UUAEsq4H?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1245744513827639298
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2020, 06:13:22 pm
Tweet, Gordon Chang:

@TomSea

I wish we all knew the name of that courageous Chinese citizen. There should be a worldwide holiday celebrating truth and freedom held in his or her name.
Title: Chinese manufacturers are cashing in off coronavirus pandemic
Post by: mystery-ak on April 02, 2020, 07:16:25 pm
Chinese manufacturers are cashing in off coronavirus pandemic
April 2, 2020 | BPR Wire
Peter Hasson, DCNF

Chinese manufacturers of medical masks are cashing in on the coronavirus pandemic that started in their country. Chinese manufacturers are seeing profits spike as global demand for masks and other medical equipment has reached a fever pitch.

Nearly a fifth of mask manufacturers in the country only jumped into the business after January, the Financial Times reported, citing official data.

“A mask machine is a real cash printer,” Shi Xinghui, a sales manager of an N95 mask manufacturer in China, told Agence France-Presse.

“The profit of a mask now is at least several cents compared to less than one in the past,” Xinghui added. “Printing 60,000 or 70,000 masks a day is equivalent to printing money.”

Mask-making machines “pay for themselves in 15 days,” the owner of another Chinese mask manufacturer told AFP.

more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/02/chinese-manufacturers-are-cashing-in-off-coronavirus-pandemic-904290 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/02/chinese-manufacturers-are-cashing-in-off-coronavirus-pandemic-904290)
Title: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: TomSea on April 02, 2020, 09:58:07 pm
Quote

Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help

www.dailymail.co.uk (http://www.dailymail.co.uk)
By Emily Goodin, Senior U.s. Political

The supplies landed at JFK Airport Wednesday after Trump and Putin finalized a deal Monday night amid the coronavirus pandemic

The move has been blasted by many in the US, who claim the President has ignored Russian's potentially nefarious motivations for the deal

Meanwhile, critics of the Kremlin in Russia have criticized the fact that medical supplies are being shipped abroad as their own COVID-19 outbreak worsens

Russia has reported  2,337 coronavirus cases with 17 deaths; the US has more than 215,000 cases and 4000 deaths

Read more at:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8180393/What-Russias-coronavirus-supplies-United-States-spark-criticism-home.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8180393/What-Russias-coronavirus-supplies-United-States-spark-criticism-home.html)

Yes, ventilators are being sent also.

Read version.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2020, 10:17:56 pm
The equipment is needed.  Putin helped.  Just because it was Putin, I'm waiting for the criticism that Trump loves Putin and proves at last that there was some kind of Trump/Russian collusion.

The U.S. paid for the equipment, but nonethless, thank you Mr. Putin.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 01:03:12 am
I can see it now: "Russian Collusion"
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2020, 01:52:30 am
Trump is obviously in Putin's pocket.  /s 

I say, if we can't trust China's help, how on earth can we trust Russia's?
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 01:57:28 am
Trump is obviously in Putin's pocket.  /s 

I say, if we can't trust China's help, how on earth can we trust Russia's?
Just hand out the masks in Chinatown...(shades of Jack Nicholson)
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: libertybele on April 03, 2020, 01:59:15 am
I can see it now: "Russian Collusion"

I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2020, 02:02:35 am
I have no doubt.

Imagine the leftist screams if Trump were to turn it down.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: truth_seeker on April 03, 2020, 02:07:35 am
The equipment is needed.  Putin helped.  Just because it was Putin, I'm waiting for the criticism that Trump loves Putin and proves at last that there was some kind of Trump/Russian collusion.

The U.S. paid for the equipment, but nonethless, thank you Mr. Putin.  Thank you.

Probably Pelosi, Shumer, Adam and Jerold would prefer a check up first,  by NSA area specialists Dr. Fiona Hill and LTC AlexVindman.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: txradioguy on April 03, 2020, 02:45:36 am
This is crap.  Turn the damn plane around.  We don't need their "charity".
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 02:49:31 am
This is crap.  Turn the damn plane around.  We don't need their "charity".
Don't we have a base 'at risk' somewhere remote and cold?
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: txradioguy on April 03, 2020, 02:53:41 am
Don't we have a base 'at risk' somewhere remote and cold?

Anypalce is better than letting that stuff land here in the U.S. and get distributed.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: txradioguy on April 03, 2020, 02:54:55 am
Russia offering us aid is a move to make us look weak. There's no spirit of giving or good will in anything related to this. Putin doesn't work that way. And it sends mixed messages to the American people when one moment Trump is touting the American companies stepping up to help and the next minute he's taking aid from Russia.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 02:56:16 am
Russia offering us aid is a move to make us look weak. There's no spirit of giving or good will in anything related to this. Putin doesn't work that way. And it sends mixed messages to the American people when one moment Trump is touting the American companies stepping up to help and the next minute he's taking aid from Russia.
Right. It is a 'face' thing. The Russians gain status by giving the US foreign aid....
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: txradioguy on April 03, 2020, 02:57:56 am
Right. It is a 'face' thing. The Russians gain status by giving the US foreign aid....

And a decade or so of internal propaganda.
Title: Martha McSally says WHO boss should resign over China coronavirus ‘cover-up’
Post by: TomSea on April 03, 2020, 10:28:24 am
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Martha McSally says WHO boss should resign over China coronavirus ‘cover-up’
 By Dom Calicchio | Fox News

The World Health Organization has been “covering up” for China amid the coronavirus outbreak -- so its leader needs to go, a U.S. senator said Thursday.

Sen. Martha McSally, R-Ariz., called on WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus to step down during an appearance on FOX Business' "Mornings with Maria."

McSally told host Maria Bartiromo that under the leadership of Tedros, 55, an Ethiopian politician who has led the global health entity since 2017, WHO failed to adequately oversee China’s reporting of data related to the coronavirus outbreak, which as of early Friday had sickened more than 1 million people worldwide, with 200,000 recoveries, and killed more than 53,000 people.

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/media/martha-mcsally-says-who-boss-should-resign-over-china-coronavirus-cover-up (https://www.foxnews.com/media/martha-mcsally-says-who-boss-should-resign-over-china-coronavirus-cover-up)
Title: Re: Martha McSally says WHO boss should resign over China coronavirus ‘cover-up’
Post by: TomSea on April 03, 2020, 10:33:13 am
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WHO chief's questionable past comes into focus following coronavirus response

The head of the World Health Organization, in charge of making life or death decisions on a grand scale, has been accused of covering up cholera epidemics, supporting a terrorist organization and inflating his resume to claim he conquered malaria and HIV.

Tedros Adhanom Ghegreyesus' campaign to rewrite his questionable past has some wondering whether he is the right fit to lead the global agency through the coronavirus pandemic.

"Tedros is the second-to-last person who should be heading the world World Health Organization at this time," foreign affairs expert Gordon Chang told Fox News. "The last person is (Chinese President) Xi Jinping."

More:   https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-chief-tedros-questionable-past-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-chief-tedros-questionable-past-coronavirus)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 03, 2020, 11:47:02 am

Coronavirus expert says it’s entirely possible virus leaked from Wuhan lab
April 3, 2020 | BPR Wire
Andrew Kerr, DCNF
Quote
   * Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist who has been quoted as a coronavirus expert by The Washington Post and MSNBC, said Thursday that it’s possible that COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan lab.

   * Shi Zhengli, China’s leading virologist on bat-borne viruses, said in March that she lost sleep worrying that the virus could have leaked from her lab in Wuhan after she first learned of the virus in December.

   * Shi now tells those who share the concerns she once had to “shut their stinking mouths

A molecular biologist who has been quoted as a coronavirus expert by The Washington Post and MSNBC said Thursday in no uncertain terms that the novel coronavirus could have been unleashed due to a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

China’s top virologist on bat-borne viruses, Shi Zhengli, has sworn on her life that the virus did not leak from her Wuhan lab, saying that its spread was “nature punishing the human race for keeping uncivilized living habits.”

But Richard H. Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told the Daily Caller News Foundation on Thursday that there is a real possibility that the virus entered the human population due to a laboratory accident. ...
More at BizPacReview (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/03/coronavirus-expert-says-its-entirely-possible-virus-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-904381?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Accidentally?  :pondering:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 11:58:52 am
Coronavirus expert says it’s entirely possible virus leaked from Wuhan lab
April 3, 2020 | BPR Wire
Andrew Kerr, DCNFMore at BizPacReview (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/03/coronavirus-expert-says-its-entirely-possible-virus-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-904381?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Accidentally?  :pondering:
Well, if someone was selling slightly used lab animals to the wet market on the side...it might be an 'accident'.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 03, 2020, 04:02:39 pm
Coronavirus expert says it’s entirely possible virus leaked from Wuhan lab
April 3, 2020 | BPR Wire
Andrew Kerr, DCNFMore at BizPacReview (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/03/coronavirus-expert-says-its-entirely-possible-virus-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-904381?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Accidentally?  :pondering:

The Chinese are well known for cutting corners. Food is poisoned, buildings fall down, bridges collapse, products are counterfeited using inferior materials and sold as the original product. Why would a Chinese bio lab be any different?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 03, 2020, 04:32:39 pm
Accidentally on purpose.  :pondering:
Title: China tells foreign diplomats not to come back to the country amid coronavirus pandemic
Post by: corbe on April 03, 2020, 04:53:52 pm
China tells foreign diplomats not to come back to the country amid coronavirus pandemic

by Joel Gehrke

April 03, 2020 11:22 AM

 
China wants foreign diplomats who are not in the country to stay out until May 15, citing the risk that envoys traveling abroad might contract the new coronavirus and bring it back to the capital.

“Diplomats have immunity due to their posts, but the virus does not know that,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Friday. “Therefore, taking into account the need of the current prevention and control situation and the safety of foreign diplomatic and consular personnel in China, we suggest that all diplomatic missions suspend for the time being personnel returns or rotations.”

The guidance, which applies to diplomats who are currently abroad, is the latest example of Chinese officials restricting access to China as the coronavirus pandemic spreads around the world. Yet it caught Western officials by surprise, at a time when the Chinese Communist power is intensifying diplomatic disputes with the United States over the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.

<..snip..>

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/china-tells-foreign-diplomats-not-to-come-back-to-the-country-amid-coronavirus-pandemic (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/china-tells-foreign-diplomats-not-to-come-back-to-the-country-amid-coronavirus-pandemic)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 03, 2020, 05:23:43 pm
Interesting (albeit completely false) stats from China regarding COVID cases.....

Cases:  82,509
Deaths:  3,326
Recoveries:  76,760

That means of all the cases in China,  only 2, 423 are still sick!

It's a Chinese MIRACLE!!!   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 03, 2020, 05:24:34 pm
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Netanyahu shared clip of Hallmark Channel show he claimed was proof of Iran concealing coronavirus deaths
Washington Examiner, Apr 2, 2020

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shared a video with his Cabinet that he claimed was proof of Iran concealing coronavirus deaths.

It wasn't until hours later that Netanyahu’s office realized the video was actually a clip from Pandemic, a 2007 Hallmark Channel miniseries.

Netanyahu said his national security adviser, Meir Ben-Shabbat, had shown him the video, after which ministers on the call asked to see it. The prime minister asked his national security adviser to send it to his entire Cabinet.

The video had been spread on social media by Iranians last week and was given to Netanyahu without confirmation that it was authentic.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/netanyahu-shared-clip-of-hallmark-channel-show-he-claimed-was-proof-of-iran-concealing-coronavirus-deaths (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/netanyahu-shared-clip-of-hallmark-channel-show-he-claimed-was-proof-of-iran-concealing-coronavirus-deaths)

These are odd times, indeed.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 03, 2020, 06:29:23 pm
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Coronavirus: Slovakia to test Roma community

Slovakia is to begin testing members of the Roma community for coronavirus on Friday.

The government announced the measures on Monday, saying that around 1,500 Roma had returned to the sites from abroad.

The testing will be carried out by military doctors until 9 April.

Read more at:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52156976?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52156976?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story)

Here too, a few pictures of the past week from Fox News:

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(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/04/918/516/01_AP20090616628885.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Two police officers patrol an almost empty Red Square, in Moscow, March 30, 2020.  (AP Photo/Alexander Zemlianichenko)

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/04/918/516/04_IMG_5298.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
The USNS Comfort sails up the Hudson River past Lower Manhattan as it arrives in New York City, March 30, 2020. (FOX News/Gary Hershorn)

More:  https://www.foxnews.com/world/the-week-in-pictures-march-22-april-3 (https://www.foxnews.com/world/the-week-in-pictures-march-22-april-3)

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Prague mayor says he doesn't want China's coronavirus help, supplies
By Barnini Chakraborty | Fox News

Not now, not ever.

That's the message the mayor of Prague has for Chinese officials desperate to rebrand Beijing as a global superpower by selling supplies and offering aid to countries around the world struggling to fight coronavirus.

"This isn't a humanitarian gift or aid," Zdenek Hrib told Bloomberg News on Friday. "From China's perspective, it's business."

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/prague-mayor-says-he-doesnt-want-chinas-coronavirus-help-supplies (https://www.foxnews.com/world/prague-mayor-says-he-doesnt-want-chinas-coronavirus-help-supplies)

 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2020, 06:33:11 pm
Coronavirus expert says it’s entirely possible virus leaked from Wuhan lab
April 3, 2020 | BPR Wire
Andrew Kerr, DCNFMore at BizPacReview (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/03/coronavirus-expert-says-its-entirely-possible-virus-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-904381?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Accidentally?  :pondering:

@mountaineer

I dunno.

Ask yourself,"Self! What good is a bio-weapon that hasn't been tested to see how effective it is?"

I know what answer *I* came up with.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2020, 06:36:21 pm
The Chinese are well known for cutting corners. Food is poisoned, buildings fall down, bridges collapse, products are counterfeited using inferior materials and sold as the original product. Why would a Chinese bio lab be any different?

@DB

Add "Especially when the disease originated with a people with a population control problem that is a police state perfectly capable of releasing it on it's own population as both a controlled experiment and a method of reducing the number of mouths that have to be fed,clothed,housed,given medical care,etc,etc,etc."

Add that,and you are THERE.

BTW,has anyone else noticed that world leaders all over the planet have also became sick from this disease,EXCEPT for the leaders in China or anyone in one of their families?

Gee,I wonder if that means anything?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 03, 2020, 10:04:30 pm
The Trail Leading Back to the Wuhan Labs
By Jim Geraghty
April 3, 2020 1:20 PM
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There’s no proof the coronavirus accidentally escaped from a laboratory, but we can’t take the Chinese government’s denials at face value.

It is understandable that many would be wary of the notion that the origin of the coronavirus could be discovered by some documentary filmmaker who used to live in China. Matthew Tye, who creates YouTube videos, contends he has identified the source of the coronavirus — and a great deal of the information that he presents, obtained from public records posted on the Internet, checks out.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China indeed posted a job opening on November 18, 2019, “asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.” ...

On December 24, 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology posted a second job posting. The translation of that posting includes the declaration, “long-term research on the pathogenic biology of bats carrying important viruses has confirmed the origin of bats of major new human and livestock infectious diseases such as SARS and SADS, and a large number of new bat and rodent new viruses have been discovered and identified.”  ...
Lengthy article at National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 03, 2020, 10:29:15 pm
WSJ had a report today on this as well. Reports out of Ecuador are not good.

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Bodies lie in the streets of Guayaquil, Ecuador, emerging epicenter of the coronavirus in Latin America
By   Anthony Faiola and Ana Vanessa Herrero
April 3, 2020 at 12:09 PM EDT

The body was wrapped in a plastic tarp, swollen, already attracting flies. He had been a neighbor, a man Rosangelys Valdiviezo passed while walking home from work, though they’d never exchanged words.

Now he lay in front of his home, one of an untold number of bodies cast out in the streets of Guayaquil, Ecuador, a sweltering South American city being ravaged by the novel coronavirus. Valdiviezo, a 30-year-old seafood worker, said the body had been out in the tropical heat for six days.

“I am very afraid,” Valdiviezo, a Venezuelan migrant who moved to Guayaquil, said by telephone. “I’m terrified of dying so far from home.”

Read more at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-guayaquil-ecuador-bodies-corpses-streets/2020/04/03/79c786c8-7522-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-guayaquil-ecuador-bodies-corpses-streets/2020/04/03/79c786c8-7522-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html)
Title: Re: Martha McSally says WHO boss should resign over China coronavirus ‘cover-up’
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 03, 2020, 11:01:53 pm
Italy should be trying him for his part in the month-long cover-up of the fact that human-human transmission of this coronavirus was a known fact in China. NYC should also, but they wouldn't.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 03, 2020, 11:23:16 pm
The Trail Leading Back to the Wuhan Labs
By Jim Geraghty
April 3, 2020 1:20 PM Lengthy article at National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/)

Yep, lots of coincidences that all point in the same direction... This is a must read.
Title: Re: Martha McSally says WHO boss should resign over China coronavirus ‘cover-up’
Post by: DB on April 03, 2020, 11:48:38 pm
This is what happens when you put a bought and paid for politician in control of a global health organization.
Title: Re: Russia sends 60 TONS of medical supplies to the US after Trump accepts Putin's offer for help
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 04, 2020, 04:02:22 am
Russia offering us aid is a move to make us look weak. There's no spirit of giving or good will in anything related to this. Putin doesn't work that way. And it sends mixed messages to the American people when one moment Trump is touting the American companies stepping up to help and the next minute he's taking aid from Russia.

Whole heartedly agree.
Title: World Health Organization Spends Twice As Much On Travel As On Medical Supplies
Post by: rangerrebew on April 04, 2020, 01:52:49 pm
World Health Organization Spends Twice As Much On Travel As On Medical Supplies
SWITZERLAND-HEALTH-VIRUS-WHO

 

Peter Hasson
Editor
March 31, 2020 7:36 PM ET
 

The World Health Organization (WHO) spends twice as much on travel as it does on medical supplies, according to its most recent financial report.

Eight percent of the WHO’s budget in 2018 went to travel expenses, while just 4% went to medical supplies and materials, the report shows.

“Of total travel expenditure, only 45% was for staff travel, the rest was incurred for non-staff travel, mainly for meeting participants nominated by Member States,” the report states.

WHO’s travel expenditures have faced scrutiny in the past.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/world-health-organization-budget-travel-spending-us-funding/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 04, 2020, 04:30:09 pm
WSJ had a report today on this as well. Reports out of Ecuador are not good.

An article posted by a FB Friend whose son and DIL live in Guataquil:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181685/Police-Ecuador-collect-150-bodies-city-streets-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181685/Police-Ecuador-collect-150-bodies-city-streets-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html)

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Troops and police in Ecuador have collected at least 150 bodies from streets and homes in the port city of Guayaquil, the Government has said.

Shocking images of a joint military and police task force gathering corpses the past three days comes amid warnings 3,500 people could die of the coronavirus in the city and surrounding provinces in the coming months. 

Residents in Guayaquil, Ecuador's second city, had earlier published videos on social media of abandoned bodies in the streets.

Guayaquil is one of or the largest city in Ecuador, and also a major port.
Title: Re: Restaurant in China hangs banner celebrating spread of deadly coronavirus in US, Japan
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 04:56:12 pm
Jennifer Zeng, people in China manufacture haphazardly masks:

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Somewhere in #China, people making ordinary masks without protective functions. People who provided this video said that these masks will be packaged as medical disposable masks, shipped to the Middle East through foreign trade companies. ...
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1246216610463039496
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Gordon G. Chang@GordonGChang
This makes it official: #Canada has become #China's newest colony. #coronavirus #PattyHajdu #JustinTrudeau
https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1245862644608667648

And then, there was another tweet, I didn't save that, so the above, is just an example of what is going on, on twitter.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 05:01:56 pm
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Taiwan to donate 10 million masks to countries hit hardest by coronavirus
The country seeks to collaborate with other nations to fight the pandemic.
By  Stacy Chen   April 1, 2020, 9:58 PM

 Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen has announced plans to donate 10 million masks to countries that have been most severely impacted by the coronavirus.

On the heels of an estimated $35 billion stimulus package intended to bolster the island nation's economy, Taiwan pledges to donate masks and medical supplies to the rest of the world as part of its global "Taiwan can help" campaign.

"We want everyone to not only see that ‘Taiwan can help,’ but that ‘Taiwan is helping,’" Tsai said at a press conference Wednesday morning.

More:  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/taiwan-donate-10-million-masks-countries-hit-hardest/story?id=69918187

Nikki Haley tweeted this out.
Title: Coronavirus across Europe: An inside view as Europeans search for signs of hope
Post by: rangerrebew on April 04, 2020, 05:22:34 pm
Coronavirus across Europe: An inside view as Europeans search for signs of hope
The Local
news@thelocal.fr
@thelocalfrance
3 April 2020



Updated
3 April 2020
15:02 CEST+02:00


Coronavirus across Europe: An inside view as Europeans search for signs of hope
Srasse, a touristic hotspot of the German capital, on April 3, 2020, amid the new coronavirus / COVID-19 pandemic. AFP
The Local's journalists and contributors from around Europe tell the story of how each country is coping with the pandemic and whether there's any light at the end of the tunnel.

'Many chose to follow the guidelines, others do not', Emma Löfgren, Stockholm, Sweden
 
Sweden has introduced a new set of guidelines that come much closer to social distancing than anything authorities have suggested before. Many of the complaints from international residents so far have been about a lack of clarity, so perhaps this will go some way towards achieving that.

https://www.thelocal.de/20200403/coronavirus-across-europe-an-inside-view-into-how-countries-are-tackling-the-crisis (https://www.thelocal.de/20200403/coronavirus-across-europe-an-inside-view-into-how-countries-are-tackling-the-crisis)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 05:57:20 pm
If this disease were a form of warfare, you couldn't argue with its success, it's shut the world down for the most part.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 05:59:40 pm
Somewhere else in Latin America did this, men can go out 3 days a week, females can go out on 3 alternating days and 1 day (Sunday)? Maybe nobody can go out.
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Peru to restrict movement by gender during virus quarantine
AFP      Surviving a severe case of coronavirus may be just the start of recovery

Peruvian President Martin Vizcarra announced on Thursday a new measure restricting public movement by gender, as the country tries to curb the spread of the new coronavirus.

Men will only be allowed to leave their homes on Mondays, Wednesday and Fridays, while women are authorized to step outdoors on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.

No one is allowed out on Sundays.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/peru-to-restrict-movement-by-gender-during-virus-quarantine/ar-BB125Lww (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/peru-to-restrict-movement-by-gender-during-virus-quarantine/ar-BB125Lww)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 06:03:10 pm
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Dream Peru trip results in husband dying, wife contracting COVID-19
Calgarians headed to Machu Picchu ended up in limbo, running out of medication
Rachel Ward · CBC News · Posted: Apr 03, 2020

Ruby Choi thought she was going on a trip of a lifetime when she left Calgary with her husband and friends earlier this month.

Now she's a widow fighting off COVID-19 in quarantine in Peru, worried about managing her diabetes.

"I don't know what to do, it's just awful. I'm getting crazy," Choi said from her quarantine room in Lima. "My mind is just so confused."

Read more at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/peru-trip-covid-calgary-1.5519468 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/peru-trip-covid-calgary-1.5519468)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 06:18:01 pm
The director of WHO has no idea what deadly Chinese virus you are referring to
April 4, 2020 by Alberto de la Cruz
(https://babalublog.com/wpr/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/who-director-blindfolded-by-communist-china-720x721.jpg)
https://babalublog.com/2020/04/04/the-director-of-who-has-no-idea-what-deadly-chinese-virus-you-are-referring-to/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 04, 2020, 07:08:29 pm
They decided to go on their trip to South America on March 9th... There were red flags all over the place by then...
Title: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 07:28:06 pm
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Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Bill Gertz

American scientists are actively working to learn the origin of the deadly coronavirus behind the pandemic now spreading around the world, but say a lack of Chinese virus samples has hampered research.

Officials and experts in virology and epidemics tell The Washington Times that researchers need to learn the origins of the virus to find treatments and vaccines and to better prepare for future pandemics.

Robert G. Darling, a medical doctor and expert on biological weapons formerly with the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland, said it is crucial that researchers find out where the virus originated and how it spread.

Read more at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/4/us-scientists-say-china-hampers-search-origin-dead/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/4/us-scientists-say-china-hampers-search-origin-dead/)

Doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 07:29:33 pm
Sweden's liberal pandemic strategy questioned as Stockholm death toll mounts
Johan Ahlander, Philip O'Connor


...

Among Sweden’s Nordic neighbours, Denmark has closed its borders and shut its schools, as has Norway, while Finland has isolated its main urban region.

Yet Swedes are able to go to restaurants, get a haircut and send their children to school even as the number of confirmed cases and deaths have mounted, above all in Stockholm which accounts for more than half the fatalities.

An analysis of smartphone location data showed that while visits to public places has fallen steeply in most European countries, Sweden is bucking the trend.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden/swedens-liberal-pandemic-strategy-questioned-as-stockholm-death-toll-mounts-idUSKBN21L23R (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden/swedens-liberal-pandemic-strategy-questioned-as-stockholm-death-toll-mounts-idUSKBN21L23R)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2020, 07:30:16 pm
Spain’s coronavirus deaths slow for second day in row
By Sara Dorn
April 4, 2020 | 3:14pm

Coronavirus deaths and infections in Spain slowed for the second day in a row, but the country is expected to extend its three-week lockdown as healthcare workers struggle without protective gear.

Spain has now logged a total 11,744 deaths from COVID-19, second in the world only to Italy, which has tallied 14,681 deaths. There were 809 virus victims in Spain Saturday, down from 932 Friday — but the drop comes on the heels of a record-setting Thursday, when 950 residents succumbed to coronavirus. ... More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/spains-coronavirus-deaths-slow-for-second-day-in-row/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 04, 2020, 08:21:20 pm
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Lila Rose
@LilaGraceRose
Disgusting. As if the death toll isn’t high enough.

@WHO
 is proving once again it should not be trusted.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1246499436177567744/Vb0xe0ry?format=jpg&name=900x900)

  World Health Organization: Abortion Is ‘Essential’ During Coronavirus Pandemic -  Daily Caller  (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/04/who-abortion-essential-coronavirus-covid-19/)

https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1246528471141978115

Yes, what a bunch of losers.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 04, 2020, 09:24:04 pm
Yes, what a bunch of losers.

This guy...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1246499436177567744/Vb0xe0ry?format=jpg&name=900x900)

...needs to have his finances examined with a fine-tooth comb.  He is singularly responsible for the world-wide pandemic, and I want to know who exactly bribed him.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 04, 2020, 09:25:48 pm
Sweden's liberal pandemic strategy questioned as Stockholm death toll mounts
Johan Ahlander, Philip O'Connor


...

Among Sweden’s Nordic neighbours, Denmark has closed its borders and shut its schools, as has Norway, while Finland has isolated its main urban region.

Yet Swedes are able to go to restaurants, get a haircut and send their children to school even as the number of confirmed cases and deaths have mounted, above all in Stockholm which accounts for more than half the fatalities.

An analysis of smartphone location data showed that while visits to public places has fallen steeply in most European countries, Sweden is bucking the trend.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden/swedens-liberal-pandemic-strategy-questioned-as-stockholm-death-toll-mounts-idUSKBN21L23R (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden/swedens-liberal-pandemic-strategy-questioned-as-stockholm-death-toll-mounts-idUSKBN21L23R)

There’s a reason for the term “stubborn Swede.”

And also for the term “dumb Swede.”

Myself excepted from both, of course.  happy77

But seriously, they need to get their act together quickly or the death toll will keep mounting...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 04, 2020, 10:22:26 pm
Spain’s coronavirus deaths slow for second day in row
By Sara Dorn
April 4, 2020 | 3:14pm

Coronavirus deaths and infections in Spain slowed for the second day in a row, [/b

@mountaineer

This was to be expected. The "low-hanging fruit" has already fallen from the tree.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 04, 2020, 10:39:12 pm
They decided to go on their trip to South America on March 9th... There were red flags all over the place by then...
Alberta already had 7 confirmed cases by then.https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on April 04, 2020, 10:43:11 pm
Perhaps Sweden is taking the "herd immunization" route.
Title: Re: World Health Organization Spends Twice As Much On Travel As On Medical Supplies
Post by: Fishrrman on April 04, 2020, 10:47:49 pm
They've dreamed up a 10% tax on everyone that should help with all those travel expenses!
Title: Muslims Defy Berlin Lockdown Order - Hundreds Gather in front of City Mosque and Chant "Takbir" and
Post by: Elderberry on April 04, 2020, 11:04:38 pm
Gateway Pundit by Jim Hoft 4/4/2020

Muslims Defy Berlin Lockdown Order - Hundreds Gather in front of City Mosque and Chant "Takbir" and "Allahu Akbar' (Video)

Some 300 Muslims gathered in front of a Berlin mosque on Friday despite the city’s lockdown orders.

The city is under a lockdown and no more than 2 people can gather in public. The mosque was closed so 300 muslims gathered in front of it to yell “takbir” & “Allahu Ahkbar”

More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/muslims-defy-berlin-lockdown-order-hundreds-gather-front-city-mosque-chant-takbir-allahu-akbar-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/muslims-defy-berlin-lockdown-order-hundreds-gather-front-city-mosque-chant-takbir-allahu-akbar-video/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2020, 11:05:00 pm
A retired justice of England's Supreme Court opines:
Quote
A former Supreme Court justice has warned that the public are displaying "collective hysteria" over coronavirus.

Lord Sumption, who retired as a justice at the UK's highest court in 2018, hit out at the way that some police forces are interpreting the new rules.  ...

Lord Sumption told Radio 4's The World At One:"Anyone who has studied history will recognise here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria.  Hysteria is infectious. We are working ourselves up into a lather in which we exaggerate the threat and stop asking ourselves whether the cure may be worse than the disease."

He added: "Yes, this is serious, and, yes, it's understandable that people cry out to the Government, but the real question is, is this serious enough to warrant putting most of our population into house imprisonment, wrecking our economy for an indefinite period, destroying businesses that honest and hard-working people have taken years to build up, saddling future generations with debt?

"Depressions, stress, heart attacks, suicides and unbelievable stress inflicted on millions of people who are not especially vulnerable and will suffer only mild symptoms or none at all like the Health Secretary and the Prime Minister."  ...
Mirror (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-police-state-hysterical-slide-21780341?fbclid=IwAR2mzmiULrW9h98IDLxXb_6cehILENsOsDUr6xNUavKbJj_D9hTree-Bbl0)
Title: Re: Muslims Defy Berlin Lockdown Order - Hundreds Gather in front of City Mosque and Chant "Takbir"
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 04, 2020, 11:12:44 pm
So, stand upwind and cough.... :whistle: 888mouth
Title: Lockdown Imposed in China's Henan Province After Fresh Cases Emerge
Post by: Elderberry on April 04, 2020, 11:24:49 pm
Radio Free Asia 4/2/2020

As the ruling Chinese Communist Party increasingly claims victory over the coronavirus epidemic in mainland China, residents of the central province of Henan say there has been a local outbreak of COVID-19 in Jia county.

County authorities imposed travel restrictions on Wednesday after lockdowns in neighboring Hubei province eased, according to an official document seen by RFA.

Non-essential travel remains banned between villages and communities, with anyone coming in and out of villages and residential compounds required to wear a face mask, take a body temperature check and show a health certificate, the document said.

More: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/coronavirus-henan-04022020155235.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/coronavirus-henan-04022020155235.html)
Title: Re: World Health Organization Spends Twice As Much On Travel As On Medical Supplies
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 05, 2020, 12:36:42 am
First class, if not charter, jets and 5 star hotels....?
Title: Re: Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 01:22:03 am
Taiwan is the Asian version of Israel.

That's a good one! I didn't see it the first time through.

@Cyber Liberty

VIVA FREE CHINA, IOW, Taiwan.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 01:25:40 am
The Moscow Times:

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Meet the Activist-Doctor Who Has Become the Kremlin’s Loudest Coronavirus Critic
Anastasiya Vasilyeva says she is trying to protect Russia’s first line of defense against the pandemic.
By Evan Gershkovich   
(https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/article_1360/bf/anastasiya-vasilyeva-doctors-alliance.jpg)
Anastasiya Vasilyeva has become the loudest critic on the Kremlin's response to the coronavirus. Alyansvrachey / Youtube

After weeks of working on overdrive, Anastasiya Vasilyeva, a doctor turned activist, finally had some time to kill.

It was late Thursday morning and the head of the independent Doctors’ Alliance labor union had just passed the halfway point between Moscow and the Novgorod region, six hour’s drive northwest of the Russian capital. Vasilyeva, 36, was traveling in a convoy of four cars stocked with personal protective equipment (PPE) — gloves, masks, respirators — that she and nine other union members were planning to deliver to two local hospitals.

“What we’re doing is helping our government,” Vasilyeva told The Moscow Times by phone. “They’re not doing this work, so we’re taking it on ourselves.”

Read more at: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/04/meet-the-activist-doctor-who-has-become-the-kremlins-loudest-coronavirus-critic-a69846 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/04/meet-the-activist-doctor-who-has-become-the-kremlins-loudest-coronavirus-critic-a69846)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 05, 2020, 01:32:05 am
Initiative in the USSR, oops, I mean Russia?

Good for her! I hope it starts the real end of the Communist era.
Title: Re: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 05, 2020, 01:38:58 am
From Nature.com
(NOTE the date of the article)

    Letter
    Published: 09 November 2015

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence


https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985.pdf (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985.pdf) (downloadable)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985) Web page that gives information on authors (click on author's name)

Note the Authors, and that among them, Xing-Yi Ge is from
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Xing-Yi Ge

    Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
and (I missed this the first time I posted this information) Zhengli-Li Shi
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Zhengli-Li Shi

    Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China


From the Abstract:
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Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
Considering the Wuhan Lab connections, was the work done in North Carolina shared/stolen/transferred and used to make the SARS-CoV-2 strain that causes COVID-19?

I am not accusing any of these researchers of any improper activity, but the connection to the epicenter of this outbreak is hard to ignore.
Title: As Coronavirus Spreads, Washington's $1 Billion Aid Cut Couldn't Have Come At a Worse Time for Afgha
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 01:54:50 am
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As Coronavirus Spreads, Washington's $1 Billion Aid Cut Couldn't Have Come At a Worse Time for Afghanistan
Kimberly Dozier

In Afghanistan’s western Herat province, Governor Abdul Quayom Rahimi is bracing for the worst. Last week, Rahimi recorded 61 confirmed cases of coronavirus in his region, all in Afghans who had crossed the border from Iran. This week, that number doubled, and a now third of the cases are patients who had not traveled outside the country – an indication the virus is spreading freely. “I consider this the Wuhan of Afghanistan,” Rahimi said.

Like many governors in the U.S., Rahimi has found himself on the frontline of the effort to rally the Afghan government and citizens alike to pay attention to the growing threat coronavirus poses. Up to 2,000 Afghans cross the border from Iran, a global hot spot of the virus, every day into Herat, where there are just 10 ventilators, Rahimi says. Sixteen provincial doctors are already sick from the virus.

The governor has ordered factories to make masks and hand sanitizer, but he knows that COVID 19 will overcome whatever defenses he puts in place. “If it can do that to Iran and the rest of the world…I’m quite sure we will be overwhelmed in the coming weeks,” he said in a phone call Thursday from his home. “Our system is not very strong.”

Read more at: https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-spreads-washingtons-1-billion-224854059.html

So, just under 300 cases of corona there at the time this article was written.
Title: Re: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 02:13:51 am
I will look at these articles, maybe it should be a separate thread.
Title: Re: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 05, 2020, 02:16:03 am
I will look at these articles, maybe it should be a separate thread.
@TomSea Just one article, the first link is a downloadable pdf file, the second a webpage you can get additional information from, like a short CV of the authors by clicking on their names. 
Title: Re: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: dfwgator on April 05, 2020, 02:24:02 am
China figured once they had it, they were going to make sure the rest of the world got it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 02:27:45 am
This is Jennifer Zeng narrating this? She's pretty good.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxtK8bIT3_8&feature=youtu.be#)

Twitter:  https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd)
Title: Re: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 05, 2020, 03:31:28 am
I don't have any doubt it came from the lab in Wuhan.  And now New York is accepting ventilators from China.

And in February out of "kindness" we sent China 18 tons of medical supplies.
Title: No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 05, 2020, 03:37:45 am
No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
Published Mon, Mar 30 20205:48 AM EDTUpdated Mon, Mar 30 20204:04 PM EDT

Holly Ellyatt
@HollyEllyatt

While the rest of Europe imposes severe restrictions on public life and closes borders and businesses, Sweden is taking a more relaxed approach to the coronavirus outbreak.
Unlike its immediate neighbors Denmark, Finland and Norway Sweden has not closed its borders or its schools. Neither has it closed non-essential businesses or banned gatherings of more than two people, like the U.K. and Germany.

Sweden’s response to the outbreak is being overseen largely by the country’s Public Health Agency. It has taken a conspicuously different approach to the coronavirus from its international peers, trusting the public to adopt voluntary, softer measures to delay the spread of the virus...……

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/sweden-coronavirus-approach-is-very-different-from-the-rest-of-europe.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/sweden-coronavirus-approach-is-very-different-from-the-rest-of-europe.html)
Title: Re: Lockdown Imposed in China's Henan Province After Fresh Cases Emerge
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 05, 2020, 03:49:45 am
Never did think they were over it.
Title: Re: Restaurant in China hangs banner celebrating spread of deadly coronavirus in US, Japan
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 05, 2020, 03:58:31 am
The thought that this is bioweapon war is not a longshot.  We should not be accepting ventilators from them.
Title: Re: No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 05, 2020, 04:05:08 am
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Unlike its immediate neighbors Denmark, Finland and Norway Sweden has not closed its borders or its schools.

Why would they?  They're relying on the strategy of strangers.   :shrug:
Title: Re: No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
Post by: Jazzhead on April 05, 2020, 11:43:02 am
Cuomo says NYC is our future.  I counter with the example of Sweden as our future:  the practice of safety, VOLUNTARILY undertaken,  without resort to economy-busting lockdowns of dubious efficacy that victimize the working class.
Title: China targets thousands who spoke out about the coronavirus epidemic
Post by: Elderberry on April 05, 2020, 11:56:53 am
Radio Free Asia 4/3/2020

The ruling Chinese Communist Party has targeted thousands of people for speaking out about the coronavirus epidemic in the country since it began in late December in the central city of Wuhan, an overseas-based rights group has said.

Since state news agency Xinhua first reported that President Xi Jinping would lead "a people's war" on the epidemic on Jan. 20, police had handled 5,111 cases of "fabricating and deliberately disseminating false and harmful information," according to a Feb. 21 statement from the ministry of public security.

CHRD said it has documented 897 cases between Jan. 1 and March 26 involving Chinese internet users penalized by police for their online speech or info-sharing about the coronavirus epidemic, based on official information in the public domain.

"The punishments handed out by police fall largely into several types: administrative detention, criminal detention, enforced disappearance, fines, warnings/interrogations, forced confessions and 'educational reprimand'," the CHRD report said.

More: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/coronavirus-speech-04032020204529.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/coronavirus-speech-04032020204529.html)

enforced disappearance?
Title: Re: No lockdown here: Sweden defends its more relaxed coronavirus strategy
Post by: massadvj on April 05, 2020, 12:03:49 pm
Where are all the lefties wishing they lived in Sweden? 
Title: Re: China targets thousands who spoke out about the coronavirus epidemic
Post by: sneakypete on April 05, 2020, 01:06:29 pm
Radio Free Asia 4/3/2020

The ruling Chinese Communist Party has targeted thousands of people for speaking out about the coronavirus epidemic in the country since it began in late December in the central city of Wuhan, an overseas-based rights group has said.


"The punishments handed out by police fall largely into several types: administrative detention, criminal detention, enforced disappearance, fines, warnings/interrogations, forced confessions and 'educational reprimand'," the CHRD report said.


enforced disappearance?


@Elderberry

Kinda reminds you of the old NY crime families,doesn't it?  "Enforced Disappearance" used to be one of their specialties.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 05, 2020, 01:20:41 pm
In case this wasn't already posted:
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-
Dr John Lee
How to understand – and report – figures for ‘Covid deaths’
29 March 2020, 10:07am

Every day, now, we are seeing figures for ‘Covid deaths’. These numbers are often expressed on graphs showing an exponential rise. But care must be taken when reading (and reporting) these figures. Given the extraordinary response to the emergence of this virus, it’s vital to have a clear-eyed view of its progress and what the figures mean. The world of disease reporting has its own dynamics, ones that are worth understanding. How accurate, or comparable, are these figures comparing Covid-19 deaths in various countries?

We often see a ratio expressed: deaths, as a proportion of cases. The figure is taken as a sign of how lethal Covid-19 is, but the ratios vary wildly. In the US, 1.8 per cent (2,191 deaths in 124,686 confirmed cases), Italy 10.8 per cent, Spain 8.2 per cent, Germany 0.8 per cent, France 6.1 per cent, UK 6.0 per cent. A fifteen-fold difference in death rate for the same disease seems odd amongst such similar countries: all developed, all with good healthcare systems. All tackling the same disease. ...

 2. Why Covid-19 deaths are a substantial over-estimate

Next, what about the deaths? Many UK health spokespersons have been careful to repeatedly say that the numbers quoted in the UK indicate death with the virus, not death due to the virus – this matters. When giving evidence in parliament a few days ago, Prof. Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London said that he now expects fewer than 20,000 Covid-19 deaths in the UK but, importantly, two-thirds of these people would have died anyway.  ...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 01:53:16 pm
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FATAL RISE UK coronavirus death toll rises to 4,974 after 621 more die including healthy 35-year-old
Breaking

...

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...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11331369/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-infect/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11331369/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-infect/)

So, per the article, deaths actually went down from the last two days.

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Queen urges self-discipline as Britain sees record jump in coronavirus deaths
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-world-updates-20200405-z6jelb2cynbblfz725vw44suzu-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-world-updates-20200405-z6jelb2cynbblfz725vw44suzu-story.html)
Title: What about Sweden?
Post by: rangerrebew on April 05, 2020, 02:03:13 pm

Posted on April 4, 2020 by Paul Mirengoff
What about Sweden?

I have started to track Sweden’s numbers of Wuhan coronavirus reported cases and reported deaths. Why Sweden? Because it is taking a different approach to dealing with the virus.

Instead of locking down, Sweden is keeping its restaurants, cafes, and schools open. Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Lofven says he’s relying on the good judgment of Swedes to carry their country through the pandemic.

Good judgment or not, Sweden’s approach means a faster spread of the virus than would occur with a lockdown. On a per capita basis, new cases in Sweden have started to outpace new cases in Norway, which has locked down.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/what-about-sweden.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/what-about-sweden.php)
Title: Coronavirus: WHO Scrubbed Website Document to Underline Opposition to Travel Bans
Post by: rangerrebew on April 05, 2020, 02:06:18 pm

Coronavirus: WHO Scrubbed Website Document to Underline Opposition to Travel Bans
By Patrick Goodenough | April 3, 2020 | 4:38am EDT


(CNSNews.com) – When a World Health Organization-convened committee of independent experts met at the end of January to decide whether to declare the coronavirus outbreak in China a global health emergency, it advised that travel restrictions “may be ineffective” but also acknowledged that they could have their place.

“n certain specific circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with limited response capacities and capabilities, or where there is high intensity of transmission among vulnerable populations,” the emergency committee said in a statement on January 30.

https://cnsnews.com/article/international/patrick-goodenough/coronavirus-who-scrubbed-website-document-underline
Title: Re: Coronavirus: WHO Scrubbed Website Document to Underline Opposition to Travel Bans
Post by: jpsb on April 05, 2020, 02:10:56 pm
The World Health Organization acted more like a Chinese Public Relations firm then a health organization. They should never get a dime of our money ever again. Oh and heads should roll at the CDC and FDA.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 05, 2020, 02:22:29 pm
So, per the article, deaths actually went down from the last two days.

@TomSea

At this point it is hard to say because it has morphed from being  a disease,to being a political talking point.

Which means in some instances in some areas,if someone is wearing a mask while being murdered during an armed robbery,or ran over by a bus while wearing a mask and stumbling home drunk,it is now considered to be a virus-related death.

For example,I just learned from Slow Joe reading a rehearsed plot make the claim that African-Americans and other minorities are suffering more than crackas. Evidently this virus is not only deadly,but it is also racist and supports Republicans.
Title: Tired of worrying about the pandemic? There's always Pyongyang - Chris Hill
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 03:51:56 pm
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Tired of worrying about the pandemic? There's always Pyongyang
By Christopher R. Hill, opinion contributor — 04/04/20

Malcolm Toon, the iconic American diplomat who served in Moscow in the 1950s and ’60s, and then as ambassador in the late 1970s, famously said of working with America’s Cold War rivals: “If you’re pissing off the Soviets, you must be doing something right.”

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo must be doing something right with the North Koreans, who seem perennially upset with him. Despite President Trump’s professed love affair with Kim Jong Un, the North Koreans have come after Pompeo on numerous occasions, calling him a “gangster” even during the honeymoon period following the Trump-Kim Singapore meeting, and this week declaring that Pompeo’s “reckless remarks” have caused them to “drop their interest in dialogue with conviction.” Pompeo’s “reckless” remarks? He suggested at the recent G-7 foreign ministers’ online meeting that “all nations must remain united in calling for North Korea to return to negotiations.”

It is not at all clear what Secretary Pompeo has done to so “piss off” the North Koreans. Could he have had the temerity to insist on some actual progress in the talks? Perhaps a timeline for when North Korean might consider coming into compliance with its public statement made during the Singapore meeting with President Trump that it would abandon its weapons? Shutting down its production of fissile material? Of course, none of these steps has been taken.

Read more at: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/491081-tired-of-worrying-about-the-pandemic-theres-always-pyongyang
The author here is Chris Hill, former ambassador during Bush years, he sure is critical when people say, well, to be frank, the Bush years weren't helpful in dealing with North Korea. Hill apparently is a prof of diplomacy at the University of Denver and a fellow for the Carnegie Endowment of World Peace, see bio at end of article. Still, worth a read. To me, Carnegie think tanks seem to be on the liberal side.

 Chris Hill twitter  (https://twitter.com/ambchrishill?lang=en)
Title: Iran Official Calls China's Coronavirus Numbers A 'Bitter Joke'
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 03:55:45 pm
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Iran Official Calls China's Coronavirus Numbers A 'Bitter Joke'
    Radio Farda

The spokesman of Iran’s health ministry has said that figures the coronavirus infections and deaths published by China’s government was a “bitter joke”.

Kianush Jahanpur in a video media conference March 5 said, “It seems statistics from China was a bitter joke, because many in the world thought this is just like influenza, with fewer deaths. This [impression] were based on reports from China and now it seems China made a bitter joke with the rest of the world”.

Jahanpur added, “If in China they say an epidemic was controlled in two months, one should really think about it”.

Read more at:  https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-official-calls-china-s-coronavirus-figures-a-bitter-joke-/30532450.html
Title: ‘Lost The Credibility’: WHO Faces Mounting Backlash For Running Interference For China
Post by: rangerrebew on April 05, 2020, 04:07:39 pm
‘Lost The Credibility’: WHO Faces Mounting Backlash For Running Interference For China
 
Daily Caller News Foundation logo
 

Peter Hasson
Editor
April 04, 2020 8:11 PM ET
 

The World Health Organization is facing a mounting backlash over its handling of China’s cover-up of the novel coronavirus.

WHO leaders, including Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, have run interference for China’s propaganda war meant to absolve the communist nation of responsibility for the global spread of COVID-19.

The WHO is now under increasing pressure from experts and Republican senators.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/04/lost-credibility-who-mounting-backlash-china-coronavirus/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 04:22:58 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU2WnDWWsAAeFTE?format=jpg&name=small)

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Jordan to use drones, cameras to monitor curfew
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/4/5/jordan-to-use-drones-cameras-to-monitor-curfew (https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/4/5/jordan-to-use-drones-cameras-to-monitor-curfew)

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"The Plague of Rome" by Jules Elie Delauney.
Article with painting in it:   Viewpoints    A Chinese Method for Curing the CCP Virus Is Available to Us in the West    Diana Zhang  (https://www.theepochtimes.com/a-chinese-method-for-curing-the-ccp-virus-is-available-to-us-in-the-west_3297766.html)
Title: Re: ‘Lost The Credibility’: WHO Faces Mounting Backlash For Running Interference For China
Post by: dfwgator on April 05, 2020, 04:33:44 pm
You certainly wouldn't know that from watching the MSM...It's all Trump's Fault!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 04:34:01 pm
Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFt2ET7Zp8w

 American Thought Leaders
Gordon Chang: Did China’s Regime Downplay the CCP Virus to Allow for Its Global Spread?
By Jan Jekielek
April 4, 2020 Updated: April 5, 2020

How did the actions of the Chinese Communist Party directly lead to the global CCP virus, or COVID 19, pandemic?

Has the US reached a “Pearl Harbor” or “Sputnik” moment with respect to the Chinese regime?

Continued at:  The Epoch Times  (https://www.theepochtimes.com/gordon-chang-did-chinas-regime-downplay-the-ccp-virus-to-allow-for-its-global-spread_3298741.html)
Could it be possible that the severity of the COVID 19 reality in China was intentionally downplayed to allow for the global spread of the virus?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 05, 2020, 04:53:47 pm
Could it be possible that the severity of the COVID 19 reality in China was intentionally downplayed to allow for the global spread of the virus?

China wants more than anything to be a world leader. The Wuhan lab leak is a serious detriment to that and must be buried at all costs. Chinese and other people's lives are minor considerations to that end.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on April 05, 2020, 05:04:28 pm
China wants more than anything to be a world leader. The Wuhan lab leak is a serious detriment to that and must be buried at all costs. Chinese and other people's lives are minor considerations to that end.

....and IMHO with the help of the Bidens and the DEMS, the Chinese may very well get their wish.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 05:23:02 pm
Her first video in this "Inconvenient Truths" series.  I think there are only 2 videos and this one was made on April 1st with surely, more to follow:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-yMMqO_2U&pbjreload=10#)

I know people usually don't have time to watch anything more than 5 minutes but that one a few posts up is very good and touches on the whole timeline.

China apparently is having a 2nd breakout now... so we will find out, they are so secretive but it seems to be happening.
Title: Boris Johnson hospitalized over coronavirus symptoms
Post by: mystery-ak on April 05, 2020, 09:55:10 pm
Boris Johnson hospitalized over coronavirus symptoms
By John Bowden - 04/05/20 04:34 PM EDT

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was admitted to the hospital Sunday night due to ongoing coronavirus symptoms, a statement from his office said.

Johnson was hospitalized "on the advice of his doctor" after experiencing symptoms for more than 10 days after being diagnosed with COVID-19, according to the statement, which was obtained by the BBC.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU3bDU3WkAYIDTU?format=jpg&name=small)

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/491256-boris-johnson-hospitalized-over-coronavirus-symptoms
Title: Re: Boris Johnson hospitalized over coronavirus symptoms
Post by: truth_seeker on April 05, 2020, 10:05:38 pm
I hope that he recovers, and tells about it.

I would like more info about China, So Korea, Iran, Italy, the UK, the US.

US breakdown of what has worked, in view of widely different results to date. ie. dates and actions in CA & NY for example.

But until the end, not much can be learned with confidence.



Title: Re: Boris Johnson hospitalized over coronavirus symptoms
Post by: Neverdul on April 05, 2020, 10:21:45 pm
I though perhaps when they said it was for testing, it would be a chest x-ray or MRI. Evidently he's still running a fever and coughing so (just my guess) they are concerned about pneumonia. But now it’s being reported he's been admitted, at least for overnight. That's not good.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Boris Johnson hospitalized over coronavirus symptoms
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 05, 2020, 10:45:34 pm
I pray he recovers.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson hospitalized over coronavirus symptoms
Post by: mountaineer on April 05, 2020, 10:57:03 pm
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...  On Saturday, his pregnant partner Carrie Symonds tweeted that she has spent a week in bed with the main symptoms.

She said she had not been tested for the virus.   ...
BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52177125?at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=47CE814E-777A-11EA-96B9-A0CE96E8478F&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7)
Title: Does Iran's coronavirus crisis raise the risk of war?
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 11:22:36 pm
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Does Iran's coronavirus crisis raise the risk of war?

President Trump on Wednesday issued a warning via Twitter about a potential “sneak attack” on U.S. troops in Iraq by Iran or its proxy forces. He said there would be a “very heavy price” if the alleged assault was carried out. A top Iranian official denounced the accusation: “Iran starts no wars, but teaches lessons to those who do.”

Tensions with Iran, an ongoing feature of the Trump presidency, have not abated even as both countries battle the coronavirus. The U.S. has the most known cases of any country. Iran is facing one of the most severe outbreaks in the world. Iran’s official death toll is more than 3,000, though public health experts estimate that may be only a fraction of the true number of fatalities. The virus could kill as many as 3.5 million Iranians, one study found.

Much of the blame for the situation in Iran has fallen on the country’s leadership, which has been accused of downplaying the threat and underreporting the number of cases. At the same time, the Trump administration has been criticized — by both Iranian leaders and neutral observers — for refusing to lift sanctions that limit Iran’s ability to contain the virus. The sanctions make it harder for Iran to buy desperately needed medical supplies and receive foreign assistance.

Read more at: https://news.yahoo.com/does-irans-coronavirus-crisis-raise-the-risk-of-war-131433322.html

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 05, 2020, 11:58:11 pm
This is interesting South Korea has been successful vs. The virus but how? Lots of surveillance.

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5 Things Americans Should Know About South Korea’s Handling of Coronavirus
fee.org
Last week in South Korea, a 97-year-old woman—well into the age group most susceptible to the coronavirus—fully recovered from COVID-19.

This was one more victory for South Korea, a U.S. ally that is viewed as a success story to the world in combating the coronavirus pandemic.

The small country of South Korea is close to China, a huge nation where the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19 originated. Nevertheless, South Korea succeeded in stopping the spread of the virus and avoided shutting down its economy as the United States and most of Europe have done.

Read more at:  https://fee.org/articles/5-things-americans-should-know-about-south-korea-s-handling-of-coronavirus//amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Does Iran's coronavirus crisis raise the risk of war?
Post by: truth_seeker on April 06, 2020, 12:41:27 am
I believe Trump should lift sanctions on humanitarian aid. Medicine, food etc.

And make it clear to Iranians around the world, where many have families, that is is to save lives.

I have a Cristian Iranian-American  neighbor with concern for everybody in his ancient homeland.

Good PR 

Title: Re: Does Iran's coronavirus crisis raise the risk of war?
Post by: DB on April 06, 2020, 01:31:20 am
I believe Trump should lift sanctions on humanitarian aid. Medicine, food etc.

And make it clear to Iranians around the world, where many have families, that is is to save lives.

I have a Cristian Iranian-American  neighbor with concern for everybody in his ancient homeland.

Good PR

There are no sanctions on Medicine and food.
Title: Re: Does Iran's coronavirus crisis raise the risk of war?
Post by: truth_seeker on April 06, 2020, 01:46:26 am
There are no sanctions on Medicine and food.
Sorry. My bad.
Title: Chinese Building Co. Ordered Int’l Offices To Hoard Medical Supplies Then Ship Back to China: Whistl
Post by: mystery-ak on April 06, 2020, 02:11:03 pm
Chinese Building Co. Ordered Int’l Offices To Hoard Medical Supplies Then Ship Back to China: Whistleblower

 By C. Douglas Golden, The Western Journal
Published April 6, 2020 at 6:04am

In January, as news of the coronavirus was just unpleasant background noise in most of the world, an employee of Greenland Group — a massive, global property concern based in Shanghai, China, and backed by the government there — began turning its gaze away from the property market and toward a different set of activities.

“Basically, all employees, the majority of whom are Chinese, were asked to source whatever medical supplies they could,” a company insider told the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald.

“There were numerous requests from the HR manager and even our direct reporting line [which] prioritized the assisting of the company in gathering these supplies over other work activities,” the insider said.

Instead of doing work, the source told the Herald, the company had “the entire accounts department, contract managers, the human resources team and even receptionists” tracking down surgical face masks, hand sanitizer, acetaminophen, thermometers, disinfecting wipes and gloves.

more
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/chinese-building-co-ordered-intl-offices-hoard-medical-supplies-ship-back-china-whistleblower
Title: Iran: How the Regime Is Trying to Exploit the Coronavirus Crisis
Post by: rangerrebew on April 06, 2020, 03:00:34 pm
Iran: How the Regime Is Trying to Exploit the Coronavirus Crisis

by Majid Rafizadeh
April 6, 2020 at 4:00 am
 
 
    The international community needs to refrain from handing the Iranian regime any direct financial aid. The four-decade history of the ruling mullahs has shown that any extra revenues obtained by the leadership have not benefited the ordinary people in Iran.

    If the mullahs are seeking financial assistance because they actually desire to help their own people, why did they refuse America's offer of medical assistance? Why did their regime revoke its approval for the emergency team sent by Doctors Without Borders (Médecins sans frontières), along with the materials needed to build a 50-bed inflatable treatment unit?

    The international community therefore must not directly give the Iranian regime financial aid: it will most likely be funneled into supporting the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and its terror and militia groups across the region.

    Instead of handing billions of dollars to the ruling mullahs, financial aid can alternatively be towards trustworthy international medical organizations to combat coronavirus directly on the ground, both in Iran and other countries afflicted.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15846/iran-exploit-coronavirus (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15846/iran-exploit-coronavirus)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 05:53:24 pm
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Running out of beds and gear, Tokyo medical staff say Japan's 'state of emergency' already here
Ju-min Park, Izumi Nakagawa, Eimi Yamamitsu

TOKYO (Reuters) - As Japan faces a fresh wave of coronavirus infections and the government prepares for a state of emergency, medical staff say a shortage of beds and a rise in cases linked to hospitals are pushing Tokyo’s medical system to the brink of collapse.

See more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-hospitals-in/running-out-of-beds-and-gear-tokyo-medical-staff-say-japans-state-of-emergency-already-here-idUSKBN21O0K4 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-hospitals-in/running-out-of-beds-and-gear-tokyo-medical-staff-say-japans-state-of-emergency-already-here-idUSKBN21O0K4)
Japan is declaring a state of emergency, Tuesday:   https://apnews.com/39e8c694ce59dfd2e4092a3ca09db2b5 (https://apnews.com/39e8c694ce59dfd2e4092a3ca09db2b5)     

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Brazil-China diplomatic spat escalates over coronavirus supplies
Eduardo Simões

SAO PAULO (Reuters) - Renewed attacks on China by a member of Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro’s inner circle soured diplomatic relations again on Monday as the education minister accused Chinese medical equipment makers of profiteering from the coronavirus pandemic.

Brazil’s Education Minister Abraham Weintraub suggested in a Twitter post, which he later deleted on Sunday, that the disease would help China “dominate the world.” He referenced a cartoon character with a speech impediment to mock Chinese accents.

The Chinese embassy in Brazil, which had traded barbs last month with Bolsonaro’s son for comparing China’s handling of the disease to the former Soviet Union’s Chernobyl nuclear disaster, denounced the minister in a statement on Monday.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazil-china-diplomatic-spat-escalates-over-coronavirus-supplies-idUSKBN21O22Z (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazil-china-diplomatic-spat-escalates-over-coronavirus-supplies-idUSKBN21O22Z)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 06:04:01 pm
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Brazil minister offends China with 'racist' virus tweet
AFP

China demanded an explanation from Brazil Monday after the far-right government's education minister linked the coronavirus pandemic to the Asian country's "plan for world domination," in a tweet imitating a Chinese accent.


In the latest incident to strain ties between Brasilia and Beijing, Education Minister Abraham Weintraub insinuated China was behind the global health crisis.

"Geopolitically, who will come out stronger from this global crisis?" he wrote on Twitter Saturday.


Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazil-minister-offends-china-with-racist-virus-tweet/ar-BB12elXl (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazil-minister-offends-china-with-racist-virus-tweet/ar-BB12elXl)

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Coronavirus 'could wipe out Brazil's indigenous people'
By Joao Fellet BBC Brasil

Indigenous communities in the Amazon region and elsewhere in Brazil are in danger of being "wiped out" by the coronavirus, according to health experts.

Respiratory illnesses - such as those that develop from the influenza virus - are already the main cause of death for native communities.

By Sunday 5 April, Brazil had reported more than 11,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and 486 deaths.

Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52139875 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52139875)

Title: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 07:25:15 pm
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Kevin Breuninger

U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson was moved to intensive care as his coronavirus symptoms worsened over the course of hours Monday, according to a statement from the government.

“Since Sunday evening, the Prime Minister has been under the care of doctors at St Thomas’ Hospital, in London, after being admitted with persistent symptoms of coronavirus,” a spokesman for No. 10 Downing Street said in a statement.

“Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the Prime Minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the Intensive Care Unit at the hospital,” the spokesman said.

Read more at:   https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-in-intensive-care-after-coronavirus-condition-worsened.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-in-intensive-care-after-coronavirus-condition-worsened.html)
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 06, 2020, 07:40:21 pm
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/boris-johnson-shook-hands-with-everybody-at-hospital-housing-coronavirus-patients (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/boris-johnson-shook-hands-with-everybody-at-hospital-housing-coronavirus-patients)

March 03, 2020

Speaking with reporters at No. 10 Downing St., Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he shook hands with "everybody" at a local hospital which housed patients infected with the coronavirus.

"I can tell you, I'm shaking hands continuously," said Johnson. "I was at a hospital the other night, where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients, and I shook hands with everybody, you'll be pleased to know, and I continue to shake hands."

Johnson noted that U.K. Health Secretary Matt Hancock said "people must make up their own minds" when interacting with infected patients but that it was important people are washing their hands to slow the spread.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 06, 2020, 07:44:34 pm
Well, I'm not going to fault the guy.  We all do dumb things and often we don't realize how dumb they are till much later. when calamity strikes.

So I will just offer my prayers for him as I do for all infected by this virus.   :0001: :0001:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 06, 2020, 07:48:03 pm
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Education Minister Abraham Weintraub insinuated China was behind the global health crisis. ...
Well, China IS behind this whole mess. It's about time they admitted it.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 06, 2020, 07:52:36 pm
One other thing -- I notice that our elected officials -- not just Trump -- are not exactly practicing what they preach.  Both the PA governor and the mayor of Pittsburgh were on tv with their own announcements.  Neither was wearing a mask.  Plus the mayor was at a podium with two other guys -- not exactly social distancing. 

So I have nothing to adverse to say against the Prime Minister.  Our own leaders aren't exactly staying safe either.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mountaineer on April 06, 2020, 08:00:30 pm
Nobody going on camera is wearing a mask. Afraid it will smear their makeup or, in the cases of Wolf and Pedoofus, muss their beautiful beards. Yet they demand we do it.

Irrespective of that:
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Ryan Fournier  @RyanAFournier
Please pray for UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
His condition has worsened and he’s been moved to the ICU.
3:45 PM · Apr 6, 2020
I will pray for him.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: truth_seeker on April 06, 2020, 08:18:23 pm
In the sick deranged minds of some, PM Bjo's demise serves as a proxy for their oft stated Trump hatred.



Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 06, 2020, 08:23:16 pm
In the sick deranged minds of some, PM Bjo's demise serves as a proxy for their oft stated Trump hatred.

Who is wishing for PM Johnson's death? 
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mountaineer on April 06, 2020, 08:27:28 pm
Who is wishing for PM Johnson's death?
There are plenty expressing that hope on Twitter. Despicable.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 06, 2020, 08:30:58 pm
There are plenty expressing that hope on Twitter. Despicable.

So glad I don't do Twitter.,Facebook or the rest.   A lot of sick, mean spirited people on social media. 

And no, I'm not talking about anyone here who uses social media.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 09:13:18 pm
There was a twitter report last night, I think they were saying something like RT was saying it,  (that's Russia Today) that he was on a defibrillator.  Nowhere did the mainstream press say this, so I let it go.  Anyway, hopefully, Boris will get through this.  They say it is pretty painful.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 06, 2020, 09:30:39 pm
There was a twitter report last night, I think they were saying something like RT was saying it,  (that's Russia Today) that he was on a defibrillator.  Nowhere did the mainstream press say this, so I let it go.  Anyway, hopefully, Boris will get through this.  They say it is pretty painful.
  :rolling:

What an astounding lack of medical literacy there. A defibrillator? Maybe they meant a ventilator, but you don't get "put on" a defibrillator. That's the device they put on your chest to shock your heart back into beating.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 06, 2020, 09:35:51 pm
  :rolling:

What an astounding lack of medical literacy there. A defibrillator? Maybe they meant a ventilator, but you don't get "put on" a defibrillator. That's the device they put on your chest to shock your heart back into beating.

Possibly something was messed up in the translation.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: jpsb on April 06, 2020, 09:42:30 pm
I hope they have him on HCQ with zinc
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 10:08:34 pm
  :rolling:

What an astounding lack of medical literacy there. A defibrillator? Maybe they meant a ventilator, but you don't get "put on" a defibrillator. That's the device they put on your chest to shock your heart back into beating.

Maybe it said respirator but I think it said defibrillator. I didn't post it, no matter what or it might have said ventilator. But I didn't think it had real back up.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 06, 2020, 10:15:14 pm
  :rolling:

What an astounding lack of medical literacy there. A defibrillator? Maybe they meant a ventilator, but you don't get "put on" a defibrillator. That's the device they put on your chest to shock your heart back into beating.

I knew that.  Umpteen episodes of Emergency! clued me to that....
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 06, 2020, 10:16:32 pm
Maybe it said respirator but I think it said defibrillator. I didn't post it, no matter what or it might have said ventilator. But I didn't think it had real back up.

Just teasin' ya, @TomSea!

Prayers for Boris Johnson.  I like him and his Traficant haircut...

 :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001:
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mountaineer on April 06, 2020, 10:19:25 pm
Just teasin' ya, @TomSea!

Prayers for Boris Johnson.  I like him and his Traficant haircut...

 :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001:
It's the ol' "I combed it with a wet paper towel" look.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Neverdul on April 06, 2020, 11:05:28 pm
I knew that.  Umpteen episodes of Emergency! clued me to that....

I used to love that show in my teens and I had a big crush on Randolph Mantooth. 888heartkitty

But it did seem that sometimes every patient got an IV of D5W and Ringer’s Lactate.

The show did however popularize paramedics and encouraged the growth of EMS.
Title: Disciplined countries like Mexico winning the Covid-19 battle: navy chief
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 11:13:09 pm
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Disciplined countries like Mexico winning the Covid-19 battle: navy chief
A navy hospital ward in Mexico City is ready for Covid-19 patients. A navy hospital ward in Mexico City is ready for Covid-19 patients.
Published on Monday, April 6, 2020

Disciplined and well-prepared countries like Mexico are winning the battle against Covid-19 whereas developed countries are not, the head of the navy said on Saturday.

Navy Secretary Rafael Ojeda made the claim after touring a Mexico City navy hospital with President López Obrador and Mayor Claudia Sheinbaum.

“What I am telling you is not my original idea but rather something that we’re seeing and experiencing; developed countries are not winning this battle [against coronavirus], disciplined countries are winning it and Mexico is a lot more than that,” he said, explaining that the country had the foresight to prepare for the pandemic.

Read more at: https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/disciplined-countries-like-mexico-winning-the-covid-19-battle/

This is a bit surprising, we will see. I have doubts.

Related in Spanish, check this website for stories if interested:   https://aristeguinoticias.com/
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 06, 2020, 11:13:26 pm
The show did however popularize paramedics and encouraged the growth of EMS.

On balance, a Good Thing.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Neverdul on April 06, 2020, 11:37:10 pm
On balance, a Good Thing.

It actually was. It used to be that "ambulance" drivers and firefighters could do some basic first aid but little else except to transport.

A lot of the early paramedics (and likely many still today) were field medics (as opposed to doctors) in the military and cut their teeth in trauma on the battlefield during the Vietnam War.

The show actually did have an impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramedic#Public_notability
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramedic#Public_notability)

That along with the advent of hospital shock trauma centers (one of the first being at the University of Maryland, Baltimore) and medivacs have saved an untold number of lives.
 
Title: UFC Star: McGregor pummels China over ‘inhumane behavior’
Post by: TomSea on April 06, 2020, 11:42:01 pm
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McGregor pummels China over ‘inhumane behavior’

(https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/UFC-photo.png?fit=930%2C618&ssl=1)
Conor McGregor has been particularly vocal on social media in urging his followers to stay at home and remain vigilant, whilst donating huge sums of his own money to help fight the coronavirus. Credit: UFC photo.

China has taken some major punches from UFC star Conor McGregor.

The Irish fighter has ripped into the “barbaric” Chinese government for “ludicrously inhumane behavior,” after a report by a report by RTE claimed that some Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) delivered from China to the Emerald Isle did not conform to the required safety standards, TalkSport reported.

McGregor has been particularly vocal on social media in urging his followers to stay at home and remain vigilant, whilst donating huge sums of his own money to help fight the coronavirus, the report said.

Read more at: https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/mcgregor-pummels-china-over-inhumane-behavior/

Good for him.  See rest of article for what he said exactly.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: truth_seeker on April 06, 2020, 11:46:16 pm
In my OC town, all firefighters are also EMTs.

I belieeve that is also so for the County of Los Angeles, since I have a friend'client that became such after leaving the military serving as a medic.

Title: Re: Disciplined countries like Mexico winning the Covid-19 battle: navy chief
Post by: bigheadfred on April 06, 2020, 11:46:20 pm
uh huh

Fear of being murdered by a drug cartel isn't pandemic preparedness.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 07, 2020, 01:22:22 am
Just teasin' ya, @TomSea!

Prayers for Boris Johnson.  I like him and his Traficant haircut...

 :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001:

Hear! Hear!  Prayers for our allies across the pond
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 07, 2020, 04:29:01 am
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Boris Johnson was in charge at 5pm... and in intensive care by 7: How PM's breathing deteriorated in just hours – a day after being admitted to hospital following video call that left his Cabinet members shocked at his ailing appearance
Daily Mail/UK, Apr 6, 2020

Boris Johnson was last night moved to intensive care after his coronavirus condition worsened, forcing him to temporarily delegate his responsibilities while he is treated by medics.

The Prime Minister was transferred to the ICU at St Thomas' Hospital in London at 7pm yesterday - 11 days after testing positive for the deadly disease.

Only two hours earlier, Downing Street were insisting he was still spearheading the government's coronavirus response, despite de facto deputy Dominic Raab chairing the morning crisis meeting.

Yet shortly after the Foreign Secretary left the Number 10 podium following the daily 5pm press briefing, Mr Johnson, 55, suffered breathing problems and was given oxygen.

He was taken into the critical care unit, and although he was last night not in need of a ventilator, the PM asked Mr Raab, the first secretary of state, to start deputising for him. 

Speaking last night, Mr Raab vowed that 'government business will continue' and said there is a strong 'team spirit' rallying around the leader.

He also reassured that the premier was 'receiving excellent care' and thanked the NHS staff who were treating him and other patients across Britain.


More:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8193359/Boris-Johnson-taken-intensive-care.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8193359/Boris-Johnson-taken-intensive-care.html)
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 07, 2020, 04:50:27 am
There was a twitter report last night, I think they were saying something like RT was saying it,  (that's Russia Today) that he was on a defibrillator.  Nowhere did the mainstream press say this, so I let it go.  Anyway, hopefully, Boris will get through this.  They say it is pretty painful.

More like ventilator.  Defibrillators shock the heart when it is out of rhythm or there is none.  Its not something you are on.

Prayers for Boris Johnson and his family. 
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 07, 2020, 06:49:05 am
Ok, folks, on the question of defibrillator vs. ventilator, please see this:

Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as coronavirus symptoms worsen

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The prime minister’s condition reportedly worsened over the course of the afternoon and he was moved to an intensive care unit as a precaution in case he requires a ventilator. A spokesperson said he remains conscious.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/491399-boris-johnson-moved-to-intensive-care-as-coronavirus-symptoms-worsen
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 10:26:47 am
Not on ventilator per most reports now:    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/07/boris-johnson-not-on-a-ventilator-in-intensive-care-says-gove (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/07/boris-johnson-not-on-a-ventilator-in-intensive-care-says-gove)

But this is very serious, imagine this happening in the US to our president or even to our senators and governors.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 10:30:53 am
Video of Tucker at link below.

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Gemma O'Doherty@gemmaod1
Irish @WHO creep Michael Ryan who wants to break into houses and remove people from their families is disgraced internationally while media here fawn over him #LockdownIreland #coronavirus
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BeachMilk@BeachMilk

The United Nations W.H.O. want to enter your house and TAKE AWAY YOUR CHILDREN, and other family members, if they are sick!

Are you PUSHED TO THE BRINK yet, or still slumbering in your sheepeople dream?

Time to WAKE UP!

#Coronavirus #Covid_19
#NWO #MartialLaw #Agenda21
https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1247468534575366144

I don't know if this was last night but useful still.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: deb on April 07, 2020, 11:28:36 am
I used to love that show in my teens and I had a big crush on Randolph Mantooth. 888heartkitty


Me too!

Praying for the Prime Minister.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 12:32:54 pm
But this is very serious, imagine this happening in the US to our president or even to our senators and governors.
Indeed. We've had a few members of Congress diagnosed but, thankfully, none has gotten to the point of needing a ventilator. Still praying for the PM.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: catfish1957 on April 07, 2020, 12:34:06 pm
Indeed. We've had a few members of Congress diagnosed but, thankfully, none has gotten to the point of needing a ventilator. Still praying for the PM.

Same here.  Best PM they've had since Thatcher. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 12:45:29 pm
The UK’s 3.5 Million Chinese-Made Coronavirus Antibody Tests ‘Not Good Enough’ For Use
Marlo Safi
April 06, 2020 10:15 PM ET


The 3.5 million coronavirus antibody test kits that the U.K. ordered from China are “not good enough” for widespread use, the Independent reported Monday.

The tests did not pass the evaluation stage and health officials reportedly said that the tests were only able to identify immunity in people who had been severely sick with the coronavirus, and thus were “not good enough to be worth rolling out in very large scale,” according to the Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-test-antibody-kit-uk-china-nhs-matt-hancock-a9449816.html) .  ...

“At least one in 10 people who test positive on the antibody test (and are therefore considered to have immunity) will be ‘false positive’ and will not have immunity,” an Institute of Biomedical Science statement said regarding the millions of antibody tests the U.K. had purchased.   ... More at Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/uk-chinese-made-coronavirus-antibody-tests-not-good-for-use/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 12:54:15 pm
Ezra Levant  @ezralevant
The city of Ottawa will fine you hundreds of dollars if you sit on a park bench, in an empty park, all by yourself. Watching politicians operate in this pandemic is like watching them when they’re drunk — you see what they’re really like, their true nature.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU97D6bWoAAFpjy?format=jpg&name=small)
10:30 PM · Apr 6, 2020
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 12:56:23 pm
NBC News @NBCNews
U.S. reports 1,264 coronavirus deaths in over 24 hours.
Meanwhile in China, where the pandemic broke out, not a single new coronavirus death was reported.
7:20 AM · Apr 7, 2020


David Burge  @iowahawkblog
Fun fact: China also never reported a single death at Tiananmen Square
7:35 AM · Apr 7, 2020
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 07, 2020, 12:59:21 pm
Well, China IS behind this whole mess. It's about time they admitted it.


@mountaineer

I'm glad to see a leader other than Trump call them on it. Maybe that will encourage others to step forward and lay the blame where it belongs in public?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 07, 2020, 01:02:12 pm
NBC News @NBCNews
U.S. reports 1,264 coronavirus deaths in over 24 hours.
Meanwhile in China, where the pandemic broke out, not a single new coronavirus death was reported.
7:20 AM · Apr 7, 2020


David Burge  @iowahawkblog
Fun fact: China also never reported a single death at Tiananmen Square
7:35 AM · Apr 7, 2020

Hey! If a government so respected by the DNC that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents them in America,they MUST be telling the truth,right?
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mystery-ak on April 07, 2020, 01:14:15 pm
Boris Johnson in 'stable' condition after night in intensive care
https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/491497-boris-johnson-in-stable-condition-after-night-in-intensive-care
Title: Death to “Dirty” Christians, Love for “Pure” Muslims during Coronavirus
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:36:23 pm
Death to “Dirty” Christians, Love for “Pure” Muslims during Coronavirus

04/06/2020 by Raymond Ibrahim 3 Comments
 

FrontPage Magazine

The Islamic worldview—even concerning things such as disease (e.g., coronavirus)—is fundamentally based on a dichotomy: anything and everything non-Islamic is evil, dirty, to be shunned, hated, and struggled against (“jihad”); anything Islamic is good, clean, to be embraced, loved, and struggled on behalf.

A Christian youth recently found this out the hard way.  Saleem Masih, 22, was tortured and killed for using water from his Muslim employer’s well in Pakistan.  Outraged, the Muslim accused him of being a “filthy Christian” who “had polluted the water.”  A number of equally scandalized Muslims gathered; “vow[ing] to teach him a lesson,” they “dragged him to their cattle farm, where they tied his hands, chained his feet and continued to torture him with sticks and iron rods.”  Before he died from his severe wounds, Saleem told his family that he had been “tortured just for being a Christian.” As for the employer, he insisted that he had committed no crime; it was, after all, the murdered Christian who had “committed a crime by dirtying” their water, his Muslim murderer said, and therefore his punishment—torture and death—was “justified.”

https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2020/04/06/death-to-dirty-christians-love-for-pure-muslims-during-coronavirus/ (https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2020/04/06/death-to-dirty-christians-love-for-pure-muslims-during-coronavirus/)
Title: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:39:07 pm
Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?

03/23/2020 by Raymond Ibrahim 9 Comments

The Islamic world—minus Shia Iran, as explained below—is not suffering from COVID-19 the way non-Muslim nations are because Islam naturally makes Muslims “cleaner” than infidels.

Such is the contention Muslims around the world are currently making. Thus, the recent article, “Coronavirus – an Islamic Perspective,” begins as follows:

    Allāh has blessed us with a religion that is complete and perfect for all times and places.  Allāh tells us in the Qur’ān: “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favour upon you and have approved for you Islam as your religion”

https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2020/03/23/islamic-hygiene-prevents-covid-19/ (https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2020/03/23/islamic-hygiene-prevents-covid-19/)
Title: Newsweek uses the coronavirus pandemic to promote Islam
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:41:27 pm
Newsweek uses the coronavirus pandemic to promote Islam

Apr 6, 2020 3:00 pm By Robert Spencer 41 Comments

David Wood offers a marvelous evisceration of Islamic apologist Craig Considine’s dawah in Newsweek in this video. Meanwhile, would Newsweek ever publish an article about how Christian principles can help protect one from the coronavirus? Not on your life.

“Can the Power of Prayer Alone Stop a Pandemic like the Coronavirus? Even the Prophet Muhammad Thought Otherwise,” by Craig Considine, Newsweek, March 17, 2020 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

    The COVID-19 pandemic is forcing governments and news sources to provide the most accurate and helpful advice to the world’s population, as the disease is indeed global in reach. Health care professionals are in high demand, and so too are scientists who study the transmission and effect of pandemics.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/newsweek-uses-the-coronavirus-pandemic-to-promote-islam (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/newsweek-uses-the-coronavirus-pandemic-to-promote-islam)
Title: Re: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: andy58-in-nh on April 07, 2020, 02:42:40 pm
Well, there's nothing like decapitation to cure a dry cough.
Title: Pakistan: Muslims again deny coronavirus aid to Christians, this time in Lahore
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:43:26 pm
Pakistan: Muslims again deny coronavirus aid to Christians, this time in Lahore

Apr 7, 2020 9:00 am By Robert Spencer 1 Comment

This was previously done in Karachi, as we reported here. As one Muslim writer put it: “It is not permissible to give Zakaah [alms] to any kaafir [unbeliever] except the one who is inclined towards Islam, in the hope that he will become Muslim if you give him zakaah (al-Tawbah:60).” That’s Qur’an 9:60.

“Pakistani Christian Leaders Report Another Incident of Aid Being Denied to Christians,” International Christian Concern, April 3, 2020:

    04/03/2020 Pakistan (International Christian Concern) – Christian leaders in Pakistan are reporting another incident in which Christians were denied government food aid amid the COVID-19 crisis. This marks the second report of government aid being denied to minorities in Pakistan due to their religious identity.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/pakistan-muslims-again-deny-coronavirus-aid-to-christians-this-time-in-lahore (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/pakistan-muslims-again-deny-coronavirus-aid-to-christians-this-time-in-lahore)
Title: Coronavirus: China Floods Europe With Defective Medical Equipment
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:45:39 pm
Coronavirus: China Floods Europe With Defective Medical Equipment

by Soeren Kern
April 3, 2020 at 5:00 am
 

    In Spain, the Ministry of Health revealed that 640,000 coronavirus tests that it had purchased from a Chinese supplier were defective. In addition, a further million coronavirus tests delivered to Spain on March 30 by another Chinese manufacturer were also defective.

    The Czech news site iRozhlas reported that 300,000 coronavirus test kits delivered by China had an error rate of 80%. The Czech Ministry of Interior had paid $2.1 million for the kits.

    A spokesperson for a hospital in Dutch city of Eindhoven said that Chinese suppliers were selling "a lot of junk... at high prices."

    "No. 10 [the residence of the British prime minister] believes China is seeking to build its economic power during the pandemic with 'predatory offers of help' to countries around the world." — The Daily Mail, March 28, 2020.

    "The brutal truth is that China seems to flout the normal rules of behavior in every area of life — from healthcare to trade and from currency manipulation to internal repression. For too long, nations have lamely kowtowed to China in the desperate hope of winning trade deals. But once we get clear of this terrible pandemic, it is imperative that we all rethink that relationship and put it on a much more balanced and honest basis." — Former UK Conservative Party leader Iain Duncan Smith.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15840/china-defective-medical-equipment (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15840/china-defective-medical-equipment)
Title: The UK Ordered 3.5 Million Coronavirus Tests from China, They're Worthless
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:48:00 pm
The UK Ordered 3.5 Million Coronavirus Tests from China, They're Worthless
Tue Apr 7, 2020 Daniel Greenfield
 

When dealing with the People's Republic of China, it can be hard to distinguish callous contempt for human life, shameless greed, and corrupt incompetence from enemy action.

The coronavirus has been a boom for certain Chinese industries, mask-makers, ventilator manufacturers, and drug companies.

But they aren't to be trusted.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/04/uk-ordered-35-million-coronavirus-tests-china-daniel-greenfield/ (https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/04/uk-ordered-35-million-coronavirus-tests-china-daniel-greenfield/)
Title: India: Muslims claim charges that Islamic convention was super-spreader of coronavirus are just “Isl
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 02:58:31 pm
India: Muslims claim charges that Islamic convention was super-spreader of coronavirus are just “Islamophobia”

Apr 5, 2020 11:00 am By Christine Douglass-Williams 19 Comments

Tablighi Jamaat continues to spell trouble for India and other countries, especially in Southeast Asia. The Islamic revival group has consistently ignored all warnings about COVID-19, and has recently brought together large assemblies of Muslims: 250,000 in Lahore and 16,000 in Malaysia. In Indonesia, a Tablighi Jamaat event of 9,000 was halted, and the attendees forced into quarantine. Still, the group is not fazed in the least. The group is now being defended by Muslim Students of JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University) and more aggressive Islamic supremacists. It is also reported to have ties with al Qaeda, Taliban, and Kashmir jihadis.

Now the usual, familiar term “Islamophobia“ is being utilized to further the Tablighi Jamaat agenda, in response to Indian authorities’ attempts to limit the group’s activities, which are threatening to spread the coronavirus to the rest of the population:

India: Muslims claim charges that Islamic convention was super-spreader of coronavirus are just “Islamophobia”
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 03:00:33 pm
Reminder: China reports no new deaths.
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China in Focus - NTD   @ChinaInFocusNTD
A funeral home director in Taiwan recently received an urgent order of 200,000 body bags from China. This comes as more countries question China's #CCPVirus (#coronavirus) number. Some Taiwanese funeral operators are also producing an alarming number of body bags for #China.

8:00 AM · Apr 7, 2020
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Title: France's coronavirus death rate accelerates, cases near 100,000
Post by: rangerrebew on April 07, 2020, 03:05:39 pm
France's coronavirus death rate accelerates, cases near 100,000
 

PARIS (Reuters) - France’s coronavirus figures on Monday showed that the rate of increase in fatalities - now at almost 9,000 - sped up again after several days of slowing, while the increase in people needing intensive care continued to decelerate.

The total number of cases, combining hospital and nursing home statistics, increased by 5,171 over the last 24 hours to 98,010, meaning France will likely become the fifth country, after Italy, Spain, the United States and Germany, to cross the 100,000 threshold on Tuesday.

“The pandemic hasn’t stopped expanding. The figures prove it,” Health Minister Olivier Veran said, adding that the government had decided to mass screen nursing homes which account for about 27% of the total death toll.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-toll/frances-coronavirus-death-rate-accelerates-cases-near-100000-idUSKBN21O2OX (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-toll/frances-coronavirus-death-rate-accelerates-cases-near-100000-idUSKBN21O2OX)
Title: Re: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2020, 03:10:42 pm
Someone should start a rumor that dogs produce naturally a COVID vaccine that benefits their owners.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 07, 2020, 03:20:50 pm
A funeral home director in Taiwan recently received an urgent order of 200,000 body bags from China.

That's a lot of body bags to a country that has shown little interest in protecting it's own people.  I'm betting they are for resale.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 03:22:55 pm
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Brit Hume@brithume
Boris Johnson 'stable' in ICU and does not have pneumonia, says Downing Street #Boris
https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1247504565412540422

So, while I'm sure there are other stumbling blocks, that has to be good news.
Title: Re: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2020, 03:24:34 pm
Who vacations or has cause to go to Islamic countries? Wait until their wretched diaspora go home for their first official holiday in May.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Jazzhead on April 07, 2020, 03:36:19 pm
Praying, too, for the PM.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 07, 2020, 03:36:27 pm
That's a lot of body bags to a country that has shown little interest in protecting it's own people.  I'm betting they are for resale.

@Once-Ler

You are probably right. A gallon of gas and a match are much cheaper,as well as safer for the living.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 04:39:01 pm
I just saw this tweet by the reliable Jennifer Zeng.... but I'm still absorbing it...

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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
Sanyuanli in #Guangzhou, #Guangdong province under #LockDown due to #CoronavirusOutbreak. Hundreds of thousands of black people live in this area.
For more: http://bit.ly/2uBfJPr (http://bit.ly/2uBfJPr)
#CCPVirus #COVID2019 #Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic #coronaviruschina

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1247528535863881737 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1247528535863881737)

I once watched this video, this African leader may or may not have been "Communist" but CGTV, (Chinese Global television) made a documentary on him.  I guess I state this because these "blacks" in China, are probably from Africa and part of China's development projects in Africa. I have heard them mentioned before.

As for Thomas Sankara, he is sometimes called the "African Che", Sankara really doesn't look too bad to me.  A pretty good documentary actually, I'd be on guard to propaganda. I have no way of really judging this topic fairly. It's not clear to me that he was a "Communist" so to speak.:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Q0ZOCTyNw#)

CGTN, Chinese Global Television Network, same thing.

Title: Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
Post by: mystery-ak on April 07, 2020, 05:58:45 pm
Frances Martel7 Apr 20202,006
5:38

Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags, Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported on Monday.

RFA noted that it could not independently verify that the Chinese Communist Party was burning coronavirus patients alive, nor has the Communist Party confirmed or denied the rumors. Yet the rumors persist that, to make room for new patients in Wuhan’s overcrowded hospitals, medical staff chose older patients less likely to survive the infection and shipped them to incinerators while they were still alive and conscious.

RFA quoted a source “close to the funeral industry” identified only as Ma who said that he had heard reports of “people restrained and forced into body bags when they were still moving.”

“Some people are saying that … there are video clips of screams coming from funeral homes, from inside the furnaces … which tells us that some people were taken to the funeral homes while they were still alive,” Ma added.

Ma also noted the existence of video testimony from an anonymous older woman who had been treated at a Wuhan hospital, presumably for Chinese coronavirus.

“One old lady was saying that they put one guy into … a body bag when he wasn’t even dead yet, and took him off to the crematorium because there was no way of saving him,” Ma told RFA.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/ (https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/)




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I report you decide
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mystery-ak on April 07, 2020, 06:04:10 pm
Delingpole: Trump Offers Boris Coronavirus Drugs Not Available Through British Health Provider
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/07/delingpole-boris-johnson-may-be-denied-chloroquine/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/07/delingpole-boris-johnson-may-be-denied-chloroquine/)
Title: Coronavirus China cover-up: UK seriously considering shock Wuhan laboratory leak theory
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 06:12:55 pm
I would like a better source but a few places are reporting this.

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Coronavirus China cover-up: UK seriously considering shock Wuhan laboratory leak theory
A CHINESE laboratory leaked deadly coronavirus pathogen, Government ministers fear, as the once far-fetched theory gains traction.
By Brian McGleenon
PUBLISHED: 12:37, Sun, Apr 5, 2020

Senior sources in the Government have revealed they are now seriously considering whether coronavirus leaked from a Chinese laboratory. That the virus leaked from a laboratory, as indicated by this Express online article in February, is now "no longer being discounted" claim ministers. A Cobra member has approached the Mail on Sunday to reveal the Government did not rule out a leak from China's only Level Four Bio-safety laboratory.

The member of Cobra said: "There is a credible alternative view to the zoonotic theory based on the nature of the virus.

"Perhaps it is no coincidence that there is that laboratory in Wuhan.

Read more at: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1265224/coronavirus-china-original-wuhan-laboratory-leak-bioweapon-military-grade-china-scientist (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1265224/coronavirus-china-original-wuhan-laboratory-leak-bioweapon-military-grade-china-scientist)

Okay, so someone tipped off the Daily Mail (the Mail) about this. Take this for what it's worth.
Title: Dominic Raab Takes Charge of U.K. As Prime Minister Boris Johnson Remains in Intensive Care
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 06:16:33 pm
It sounds like they are saying he is ordinarily "Foreign Minister Secretary". I have heard of him before, he's probably ok.

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Dominic Raab takes charge of U.K. as Prime Minister Boris Johnson remains in intensive care
Alex Hudson    By On 4/7/20 at 7:23 AM EDT

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's condition has worsened after contracting coronavirus as First Secretary of State and Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab takes temporary charge of government.

Johnson was admitted to intensive care at around 7 p.m. BST on Monday. Raab, the government minister designated to deputize for the prime minister when he is unable to fulfill duties, is said to be the "first among equals" in the cabinet.

This means the business of government can continue as usual, he can chair meetings and lead the response to COVID-19. Precise details of the prime minister's condition are not yet known.

Read more at: https://www.newsweek.com/dominic-raab-uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-intensive-care-1496510 (https://www.newsweek.com/dominic-raab-uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-intensive-care-1496510)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 06:19:25 pm
This thing snowballs and that is concerning:

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France reports horrific coronavirus death toll in past 24 hours – total deaths over 10,000
FRANCE has reported a record 1,417 new coronavirus deaths in the past 24 hours - almost double the country's previous record of 833 announced yesterday.
PUBLISHED: 18:45, Tue, Apr 7, 2020

More:  https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1266260/France-coronavirus-death-toll-latest-covid19-macron-news (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1266260/France-coronavirus-death-toll-latest-covid19-macron-news)
Title: France reports horrific coronavirus death toll in past 24 hours – total deaths over 10,000 FRANCE ha
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 06:20:06 pm
This disease snowballs and that is concerning.

France reports horrific coronavirus death toll in past 24 hours – total deaths over 10,000
FRANCE has reported a record 1,417 new coronavirus deaths in the past 24 hours - almost double the country's previous record of 833 announced yesterday.
PUBLISHED: 18:45, Tue, Apr 7, 2020
Title: North Korea chaos: Secret meth labs BOOM as coronavirus sparks economic collapse
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 06:23:08 pm
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North Korea chaos: Secret meth labs BOOM as coronavirus sparks economic collapse
CORONAVIRUS restrictions in North Korea have sparked a boom in the country's illegal drugs trade with struggling traders driven to trafficking methamphetamine in the poverty-stricken hermit state.
By Simon Osborne
PUBLISHED: 14:41, Mon, Mar 30, 2020

Pyongyang has not reported any confirmed cases of the disease, which has spread around the globe after being first diagnosed in neighbouring China, though some foreign experts have expressed doubts. Residents of North Hamgyong province told Radio Free Asia’s Korean Service that government bans on commercial and social activities had left many people finding it difficult to make ends meet.

One resident said: “They could barely keep their heads above water when they could do business.

“Now the number of people going into drug trafficking is increasing."

Read more at: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1262337/coronavirus-north-korea-methamphetamine-pyongyang-kim-jong-un?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1262337/coronavirus-north-korea-methamphetamine-pyongyang-kim-jong-un?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain)

Again, some caution with these stories, some do sound like they could be "made-up".
Title: Re: North Korea chaos: Secret meth labs BOOM as coronavirus sparks economic collapse
Post by: Polly Ticks on April 07, 2020, 06:31:36 pm
As I understand it, meth labs going 'BOOM' has always been a risk.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 07, 2020, 07:09:13 pm
This thing snowballs and that is concerning:

Isn't France one of the better healthcare European countries?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2020, 07:10:07 pm
Isn't France one of the better healthcare European countries?

So we've been told. Everything is better in France. 
Title: Re: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: GtHawk on April 07, 2020, 09:26:36 pm
Someone should start a rumor that dogs produce naturally a COVID vaccine that benefits their owners.
It'll never work, the moslems have already determined that drinking camel urine will save them.
Title: Re: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 09:32:17 pm
They wipe with their hands and have "relations" with sheep. Not quite buying that whole hygiene thing.
Title: Re: Islamic Hygiene Prevents COVID-19?
Post by: Fishrrman on April 07, 2020, 09:44:31 pm
Check Iran.
muslim "hygiene" is sure workin' great there...!
Title: Re: France's coronavirus death rate accelerates, cases near 100,000
Post by: Fishrrman on April 07, 2020, 09:50:05 pm
I'm wondering how many of these cases might be coming out of the "banlieues"... the slums/suburbs were muslims are concentrated and where the police/medics generally fear to go...?
Title: Re: Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
Post by: berdie on April 07, 2020, 09:51:36 pm
This is obviously fake news. The Chinese have assured us that there is no more virus there... :shrug:
Title: Re: Coronavirus: China Floods Europe With Defective Medical Equipment
Post by: Fishrrman on April 07, 2020, 09:55:42 pm
When all this is over, I sense there's going to be A LOT of countries looking askance at China, it's products, and it's policies...
Title: Re: Pakistan: Muslims again deny coronavirus aid to Christians, this time in Lahore
Post by: Fishrrman on April 07, 2020, 09:56:33 pm
Pakistan is one nation that the entire world could do happily without...
Title: Re: Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
Post by: TomSea on April 07, 2020, 10:01:27 pm
This is a long standing story, it has been around for probably a month's time.

Here is an article from Australia dated February 28, 2020 and for the record,  I don't necessarily think fact checkers are always correct.:

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Disturbing viral video claiming coronavirus patients ‘cremated alive’ flagged as ‘false information’

A viral video in which a Wuhan woman claims she witnessed coronavirus patients being cremated alive is “false information”, fact checkers say.
Frank Chung@franks_chung
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/disturbing-viral-video-claiming-coronavirus-patients-cremated-alive-flagged-as-false-information/news-story/c495dd501e1479125319970b375854ad (https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/disturbing-viral-video-claiming-coronavirus-patients-cremated-alive-flagged-as-false-information/news-story/c495dd501e1479125319970b375854ad)


Title: Re: Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2020, 10:29:34 pm
If true, it's a horror straight out of a Steven King novel.  Personally, I don't believe it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 07, 2020, 10:33:22 pm
Coronavirus Study to Look at Using Gout Drug to Prevent Lung Complications and Deaths from COVID-19
By Kashmira Gander On 3/24/20 at 12:26 PM EDT


Scientists in Canada have launched a study to test a drug they hope could prevent people from dying of lung complications caused by the respiratory disease COVID-19.

Researchers at the Montreal Heart Institute aim to recruit 6,000 COVID-19 patients for their COLCORONA study, according to a statement. The drug, called colchicine, is an anti-inflammatory pill used to treat gout, Behcet's syndrome —which causes blood vessel inflammation— and the genetic disorder Familial Mediterranean Fever, where people have a recurrent abnormal body temperature.

Professor Jean-Claude Tardif, director of the Research Centre at the Montreal Heart Institute, told Radio Canada his team believes the medication could stop what is known as a cytokine storm, where the immune system overreacts.
Related Stories

The drug "may reduce COVID-19-related complications in adults at risk or with evidence of an inflammatory storm," according to the institute's statement.   ... Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-study-look-using-gout-drug-prevent-lung-complications-deaths-covid-19-1493966)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 07, 2020, 10:38:03 pm
This thing snowballs and that is concerning:

@TomSea

Well,it MIGHT end up being some enviro-whacko's "Final Solution" to world overpopulation,and an effort to free up some land for Chinese immigrants.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 07, 2020, 10:39:22 pm
Isn't France one of the better healthcare European countries?

@DB

I believe it was before the mass Muslim immigration. Now it's a septic tank.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 07, 2020, 10:40:57 pm
Coronavirus Study to Look at Using Gout Drug to Prevent Lung Complications and Deaths from COVID-19
By Kashmira Gander On 3/24/20 at 12:26 PM EDT


Scientists in Canada have launched a study to test a drug they hope could prevent people from dying of lung complications caused by the respiratory disease COVID-19.

Researchers at the Montreal Heart Institute aim to recruit 6,000 COVID-19 patients for their COLCORONA study, according to a statement. The drug, called colchicine, is an anti-inflammatory pill used to treat gout, Behcet's syndrome —which causes blood vessel inflammation— and the genetic disorder Familial Mediterranean Fever, where people have a recurrent abnormal body temperature.

Professor Jean-Claude Tardif, director of the Research Centre at the Montreal Heart Institute, told Radio Canada his team believes the medication could stop what is known as a cytokine storm, where the immune system overreacts.
Related Stories

The drug "may reduce COVID-19-related complications in adults at risk or with evidence of an inflammatory storm," according to the institute's statement.   ... Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-study-look-using-gout-drug-prevent-lung-complications-deaths-covid-19-1493966)

Nope! It won't work!  There is no money to be made using drugs like Indocin!

(The fox is guarding the hen house.)
 
Title: Sweden reports over 100 coronavirus deaths
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 12:00:27 am
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Sweden reports over 100 coronavirus deaths

Sweden on Tuesday reported another 114 coronavirus deaths, bringing the total to 591 in a country that has adopted a softer approach to containing the outbreak than some of its European neighbours.

Sweden's Public Health Agency said it had recorded a total of 7,693 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the country of around 10 million people.

It reported 114 new deaths on Tuesday, an uptick from preceding daily tolls, but cautioned that some of the fatalities occurred in previous days.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/sweden-reports-over-100-coronavirus-deaths/ar-BB12h0cf?li=BBTgOZ0 (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/sweden-reports-over-100-coronavirus-deaths/ar-BB12h0cf?li=BBTgOZ0)

More reading:  https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html (https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html)

A bit of an uptick. As always, it needs research.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 12:07:56 am
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UPDATE: Data Shows US Efforts to Combat China Coronavirus Crushed Economy -- But Brazil and Sweden Have Similar Fatality Numbers With Open Economies
By Jim Hoft    Published April 7, 2020

While the US shuts down all commerce for weeks and destroys the economy, other countries like Sweden and Brazil are doing the opposite and allowing the China coronavirus to run its course.

Data indicates there no material differences in fatalities between the three countries leading the casual observer to question why is the US killing its economy?


The US continues to prevent nearly all commerce from occurring to combat the China coronavirus.  Many other countries are following suit.  But some countries like Sweden and Brazil are keeping their countries open for business.  Data shows that the fatalities related to the coronavirus in these countries are very similar to those in the US.

Read more at: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/update-data-shows-us-efforts-combat-china-coronavirus-crushed-economy-brazil-sweden-similar-fatality-numbers-open-economies/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/update-data-shows-us-efforts-combat-china-coronavirus-crushed-economy-brazil-sweden-similar-fatality-numbers-open-economies/)

Title: Re: Coronavirus: China Floods Europe With Defective Medical Equipment
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 08, 2020, 12:59:33 am
So ....... the test kits sent to EuroLand are basically totally defective. Yet we're supposed to believe stats from China? Kind of sets up a dilemma. Either China knew it sent defective test kit and kept the accurate ones for themselves, or China is using the same defective kits on their own people. Scylla? Or Charybdis?
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 08, 2020, 01:07:44 am
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Coronavirus: Boris Johnson spends second night in intensive care
BBC, Apr 7, 2020, 8:07 ET

Boris Johnson is spending a second night in intensive care as he continues to receive treatment for coronavirus.

The PM is being kept in intensive care at St Thomas' Hospital in London "for close monitoring", No 10 said.

Mr Johnson's condition is "stable" and he remains in "good spirits", his spokesman added on Tuesday evening.

More:  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52208156 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52208156)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 01:45:28 am
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World News    April 7, 2020
Brazil looks to China for coronavirus help as cases rise quickly

BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil’s health minister said the country faced a “serious problem” getting enough mechanical ventilators and had spoken to China to try and ensure it would be able to fill an order for face masks as coronavirus deaths accelerated

Latin America’s largest country has confirmed 13,717 coronavirus cases, while deaths rose to 667, exceeding 100 in 24 hours for the first time.

Health Minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta said he had spoken with the Chinese ambassador on Tuesday to ensure fulfillment of medical equipment orders.

More:   https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazil-looks-to-china-for-coronavirus-help-as-cases-rise-quickly-idUSKBN21P3A2 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazil-looks-to-china-for-coronavirus-help-as-cases-rise-quickly-idUSKBN21P3A2)

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U.S. immigration officials evaluate vulnerable detainees for possible release amid pandemic
Ted Hesson

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. immigration officials said on Tuesday they are considering releasing some detainees at high risk for coronavirus infection as detainees and workers have tested positive for the resulting COVID-19 illness.

More:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-crime/u-s-immigration-officials-evaluate-vulnerable-detainees-for-possible-release-amid-pandemic-idUSKBN21P3JP (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-crime/u-s-immigration-officials-evaluate-vulnerable-detainees-for-possible-release-amid-pandemic-idUSKBN21P3JP)

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Australia's parliament set to pass huge stimulus plan
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia/australias-parliament-set-to-pass-huge-stimulus-plan-idUSKBN21P3JD (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia/australias-parliament-set-to-pass-huge-stimulus-plan-idUSKBN21P3JD)

Quote
Two Peruvian women diagnosed with COVID-19 give birth to healthy babies - doctor
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-peru-newborns/two-peruvian-women-diagnosed-with-covid-19-give-birth-to-healthy-babies-doctor-idUSKBN21Q03Y (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-peru-newborns/two-peruvian-women-diagnosed-with-covid-19-give-birth-to-healthy-babies-doctor-idUSKBN21Q03Y)

More on the coronavirus around the world at:  https://www.reuters.com/news/world (https://www.reuters.com/news/world)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 02:14:39 am
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Mexico urges end to harassment of health workers in pandemic
Carlos RodrÍguez, Associated Press Updated 8:56 pm CDT, Tuesday, April 7, 2020

MEXICO CITY (AP) — They are the first line of defense against the COVID-19 pandemic, but in parts of Mexico, doctors, nurses and other health workers are being harassed to the point that federal authorities have pleaded for Mexicans to show solidarity.

While tributes to courageous medical personnel putting themselves in the virus' path circle the globe, Mexico and some other places have seen disturbing aggression born of fear.

Recently, a hospital in Guadalajara — Mexico's second-largest city — were told to wear civilian clothes to and from work rather than their scrubs or uniforms because some public buses refused to allow them to board. Other medical personnel have reported attacks and this week someone threw flammable liquid on the doors of a new hospital under construction in the northern border state of Nuevo Leon.

Read more at: https://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Mexico-urges-end-to-harassment-of-health-workers-15184979.php (https://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Mexico-urges-end-to-harassment-of-health-workers-15184979.php)

Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: China Floods Europe With Defective Medical Equipment
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 08, 2020, 02:58:55 am
They are giving ventilators to New York.
Title: Re: Pakistan: Muslims again deny coronavirus aid to Christians, this time in Lahore
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 08, 2020, 03:13:09 am
No more aid
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mountaineer on April 08, 2020, 11:30:45 am
Boris Johnson’s fever eases after second night in ICU battling coronavirus
By Lee Brown
April 8, 2020 | 7:16am

Coronavirus-stricken British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s fever started easing as he remained in intensive care Wednesday — as Queen Elizabeth II sent a message of support to his pregnant fiancée, according to reports.

Johnson, 55, showed promising signs as he spent his second night in an intensive care unit, where he still did not need a ventilator, The Times of London reported. ... New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/british-pm-boris-johnsons-coronavirus-fever-eases-in-icu/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)

 :beer:
Title: France announces 1,417 coronavirus deaths, nation's largest one-day toll
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2020, 01:19:28 pm
France announces 1,417 coronavirus deaths, nation's largest one-day toll
By Justine Coleman - 04/08/20 09:13 AM EDT

France announced that 1,417 people have died from the novel coronavirus in one day, its largest daily death toll since the pandemic struck, according to news reports.

The country has now counted a total of 10,328 coronavirus deaths thus far, after the surge in deaths Tuesday. Meanwhile, more than 7,000 people remain in intensive care, according to NBC News.

Despite the uptick in deaths, France reported a lower increase of daily new cases on Tuesday. Doctors diagnosed 3,777 people with coronavirus Tuesday, bringing the country's total to more than 110,000, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/491719-france-announces-1417-dead-from-coronavirus-largest
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 08, 2020, 01:47:38 pm
Boris Johnson’s fever eases after second night in ICU battling coronavirus
By Lee Brown
April 8, 2020 | 7:16am

Coronavirus-stricken British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s fever started easing as he remained in intensive care Wednesday — as Queen Elizabeth II sent a message of support to his pregnant fiancée, according to reports.

Johnson, 55, showed promising signs as he spent his second night in an intensive care unit, where he still did not need a ventilator, The Times of London reported. ... New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/british-pm-boris-johnsons-coronavirus-fever-eases-in-icu/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)

 :beer:

It's working, folks!  Keep it up!

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Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Applewood on April 08, 2020, 02:06:19 pm
Good news, indeed. 
Title: While Spain deals with it’s own Covid-19 pandemic, hundred of illegal Muslim invaders storm border f
Post by: rangerrebew on April 08, 2020, 02:10:17 pm
While Spain deals with it’s own Covid-19 pandemic, hundred of illegal Muslim invaders storm border fence

April 8, 2020 by BareNakedIslam Leave a Comment
In the early hours of Monday morning, 260 dangerous (mostly-Muslim) migrants of sub-Sahara African origin stormed Spain’s border fence in Melilla.

RAIR Foundation  Muslim invaders attacked the civil guards, armed forces, members and police officers with weapons. Despite their best efforts to fend off these dangerous migrants, around fifty-five managed to enter the city.
The Government Delegation in Melilla has described this attack as “massive and violent”. Apparently, several of the criminals threw stones at the agents and attacked them with hooks they also used to scale the border fence.
This recent incident is was one of the largest Melilla has experienced along the border perimeter, since mid-March when they stopped allowing migrants to enter and closed down migrant reception centers, due to the Chineses coronavirus health crisis.

April 8, 2020 by BareNakedIslam Leave a Comment
In the early hours of Monday morning, 260 dangerous (mostly-Muslim) migrants of sub-Sahara African origin stormed Spain’s border fence in Melilla.

RAIR Foundation  Muslim invaders attacked the civil guards, armed forces, members and police officers with weapons. Despite their best efforts to fend off these dangerous migrants, around fifty-five managed to enter the city.
The Government Delegation in Melilla has described this attack as “massive and violent”. Apparently, several of the criminals threw stones at the agents and attacked them with hooks they also used to scale the border fence.
This recent incident is was one of the largest Melilla has experienced along the border perimeter, since mid-March when they stopped allowing migrants to enter and closed down migrant reception centers, due to the Chineses coronavirus health crisis.

https://barenakedislam.com/2020/04/08/while-spain-deals-with-its-own-covid-19-pandemic-hundred-of-illegal-muslim-invaders-storm-border-fence/
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2020, 02:12:50 pm
Downing Street: Boris Johnson Stable, Responding to Coronavirus Treatment
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/08/downing-street-boris-johnson-stable-responding-to-coronavirus-treatment/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/08/downing-street-boris-johnson-stable-responding-to-coronavirus-treatment/)
Title: THAILAND: MUSLIM man infected with Chinavirus intentionally spits at passenger as they queued for tr
Post by: rangerrebew on April 08, 2020, 02:16:39 pm
THAILAND: MUSLIM man infected with Chinavirus intentionally spits at passenger as they queued for train tickets…then he drops dead in the train after vomiting and convulsing on board

April 8, 2020 by BareNakedIslam

Anan Sahoh, a 56-year- old Muslim man (photo right) who had recently traveled to Pakistan and was caught spitting at an unknown person while buying a train ticket at Bangkok’s Bang Sue Railway Station, dies of coronavirus on the same train hours later.

Daily Mail (h/t Mrigank) Anan Sahoh, 56, was found slumped on the passenger train on Monday after he was earlier seen ‘coughing and vomiting’ during the journey. Health officials grew alarmed when CCTV footage at the station in Bangkok showed him spitting at a man who was buying tickets from a machine.

Authorities are now desperately trying to trace the spitting victim to stop him spreading the disease to others.

 https://barenakedislam.com/2020/04/08/thailand-muslim-man-infected-with-chinavirus-intentionally-spits-at-passenger-as-they-queued-for-train-ticketsthen-he-drops-dead-in-the-train-after-vomiting-and-convulsing-on-board/
Title: French Police Attacked in Multiple No-Go Zones Despite Lockdown Measures
Post by: rangerrebew on April 08, 2020, 02:20:11 pm

French Police Attacked in Multiple No-Go Zones Despite Lockdown Measures
By Pamela Geller - on April 8, 2020


Police in Paris no-go zones have been overwhelmed trying to maintain the nationwide quarantine and have handed out record numbers of fines. The heavily migrant-populated Seine-Saint-Denis area is proving to be a tough area for police to enforce the nationwide anti-coronavirus quarantine ordered by French president Emmanuel Macron, with police officers admitting that they are overwhelmed.


    By: Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, 7 Apr 2020:

    Despite national lockdown, police in several French cities and communes were subjected to violent attacks over the weekend as authorities struggle to maintain the strict measures.

    The first incident took place on Saturday in the late afternoon when a fight broke out between two men in the commune of Saint-Paul-lès-Dax. Police were called after one of the men fled to his car following the altercation.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/french-police-attacked-in-multiple-no-go-zones-despite-lockdown-measures.html/
Title: Masked crowds fill Wuhan's streets, trains as lockdown ends
Post by: rangerrebew on April 08, 2020, 02:58:11 pm

Masked crowds fill Wuhan's streets, trains as lockdown ends

Sam Mcneil, Associated Press Updated 7:42 am CDT, Wednesday, April 8, 2020
 

WUHAN, China (AP) — Amid streets newly bustling with cars and pedestrians, Wang Chun celebrated the lifting of a virus lockdown on her hometown of Wuhan on Wednesday with a dance outdoors after 2 1/2 months largely cooped up at home.

“I’m so happy Wuhan has defeated the virus,” Wang said after recording a K-Pop-inspired duet with a male partner for posting on the internet. Neither of them wore face masks, at least for a brief few minutes.

After she put on the mask again, Wang confronted the question many of the city's 11 million residents are asking themselves: When will they be going back to work?

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Masked-crowds-fill-streets-and-trains-in-15186464.php (https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Masked-crowds-fill-streets-and-trains-in-15186464.php)
Title: Mexican border city to quarantine returning migrants
Post by: rangerrebew on April 08, 2020, 03:01:47 pm

Mexican border city to quarantine returning migrants
Updated 9:30 pm CDT, Thursday, March 26, 2020

MEXICO CITY (AP) — The Mexican border state of Chihuahua said Thursday it will set up a shelter to house deported migrants for a two-week quarantine.

The state said the shelter would be set up in “the next few days” to house migrants returned to the border city of Ciudad Juarez, across the border from El Paso, Texas.

The state government says an average of 65 migrants are deported through Ciudad Juarez every day, for a total of about 5,200 so far this year.

The quarantine move is part of a series of measures announced Thursday to prevent the spread of coronavirus. The United States has over 81,000 cases, while Mexico has 585, though testing is far less frequent in Mexico.

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/world/article/Mexican-border-city-to-quarantine-returning-15160308.php (https://www.lmtonline.com/news/world/article/Mexican-border-city-to-quarantine-returning-15160308.php)
Title: Re: Masked crowds fill Wuhan's streets, trains as lockdown ends
Post by: dfwgator on April 08, 2020, 03:07:16 pm
Everybody Wang Chun Tonight!
Title: Inside Wuhan’s secretive National Biosafety Lab
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 03:43:15 pm
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Inside Wuhan’s secretive National Biosafety Lab
Major report highlights the controversial research institute in the Chinese city where the first cases of Covid-19 were reported
by Gordon Watts April 7, 2020

Controversy and secrecy appear to lurk in the corridors of the National Biosafety Laboratory in Wuhan.

Described as “a cell within the Chinese Academy of Science’s Institute of Virology,” it conducts “coronavirus research” and is a United Nations “reference laboratory for infectious diseases.” It is also situated in the city which in December spawned the first reported cases of the deadly Covid-19 disease.

A wet market only 16 kilometers, or 10 miles, away initially became “ground zero” in what would turn out to be a global pandemic.

...

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nhF_b5y-S0#)

Read more at: https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/inside-wuhans-secretive-national-biosafety-lab/ (https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/inside-wuhans-secretive-national-biosafety-lab/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 08, 2020, 03:46:01 pm
Anyone ordering test kits from China should expect this. Stupid has consequences.
@DB @PeteS in CA Makes a guy wonde, knowing full well the effects of false positives would be increased restrictions, further damaging the local economies, taking up resources that needn't be consumed sorting out who really has the bug, and who doesn't and who got contaminated because people thought they had it.

Asymmetrical warfare.
Title: Is tropical Asia relatively immune to Covid-19?
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 03:52:24 pm
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Is tropical Asia relatively immune to Covid-19?
Tropical Asian nations have much fewer cases and deaths than the wintry West but the verdict on climate determinism is still out
by John McBeth    April 7, 2020

JAKARTA – When Maritime Affairs and Investment Coordinating Minister Luhut Panjaitan recently raised the much-debated issue of whether a tropical climate may be Indonesia’s best defense against the fast-spreading coronavirus, critics of the government’s response predictably rolled their eyes.

The problem for Panjaitan, President Joko Widodo’s senior adviser on almost everything, is that all attention is on the lack of testing, widely believed to be the reason why the number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 is far lower than what independent modeling suggests it should be.

Claims that the climate may be a mitigating factor leads irrevocably to the suspicion that the government is trying to find ways to cover up the true measure of the situation. There is little question that in delaying its initial response, it did lasting damage to its credibility.

(https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Covid-19-Map-Climate.png?w=844&ssl=1)
Map showing Covid-19 outbreak epicenters indicated by black circles situated in comparatively colder global climate regions. Source: Twitter

See more at:  https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/is-tropical-asia-relatively-immune-to-covid-19/
Title: Re: Coronavirus testing effort hampered by kits contaminated with Covid-19
Post by: sneakypete on April 08, 2020, 03:54:52 pm
@DB @PeteS in CA Makes a guy wonde, knowing full well the effects of false positives would be increased restrictions, further damaging the local economies, taking up resources that needn't be consumed sorting out who really has the bug, and who doesn't and who got contaminated because people thought they had it.

Asymmetrical warfare.

@DB

Is STILL warfare,and should be treated as such.

Instead,we live in a country where the Dims treat it as a gift from God  because it gives them a shot at mail-in ballots and to place the blame on Trump to help their election chances.

Frankly,exploiting this disease is their ONLY chance of surviving as a major party because when Trump wins re-election and IF he gains a majority in the Senate,it's OVER for the Dim Party.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 03:58:16 pm
Wuhan Skyline:
(http://famouswonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Wuhan-Skyline.jpg)

Shanghai Skyline
(https://files.undercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/shutterstock_1181588488.jpg)

I won't belabor the point, but some of their cities' skylines are aesthetically pleasing.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 08, 2020, 04:11:20 pm
Wuhan Skyline:
(http://famouswonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Wuhan-Skyline.jpg)

Shanghai Skyline
(https://files.undercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/shutterstock_1181588488.jpg)

I won't belabor the point, but some of their cities' skylines are aesthetically pleasing.

Shanghai is pretty, without a doubt....

(http://www.xinhuanet.com//english/titlepic/136213016_1492344412310_title1n.jpg)
Title: Re: Is tropical Asia relatively immune to Covid-19?
Post by: libertybele on April 08, 2020, 04:21:50 pm
Well...hopefull we'll start getting some of our subtropical humidity around here soon -- another month or so.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 04:33:32 pm
Right, I don't think this jump is within a day's time though:

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Coronavirus: Saudi cases jump 327 to 2,932 total, 631 recoveries

Saudi Arabia's coronavirus cases jumped by 327 to a total of 2,932, the health ministry spokesman announced on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, 631 people have recovered in the Kingdom with a death toll of 41.

The spokesman continued to urge everyone to follow instructions and to commit to the implemented measures in order to avoid contracting the virus and to slow the spread.

More: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2020/04/08/Coronavirus-Saudi-Arabia-records-2-932-total-cases-631-recoveries.html

Graph at link, it looks like they are having a steep incline of cases.

Kurdish area quarantining buses coming from Damascus:
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Health Board in Qamishli quarantines passengers coming from Damascus for second time in three days

...

On Sunday, the Autonomous Administration sent 19 passengers coming from Damascus to a quarantine in Havana Hotel, which is adjacent to Qamishli Airport.

More:  https://npasyria.com/en/blog.php?id_blog=2203&sub_blog=12&name_blog=Health%20Board%20in%20Qamishli%20quarantines%20passengers%20coming%20from%20Damascus%20for%20second%20time%20in%20three%20days

At least one Greek refugee camp has been quarantined as well.


Title: Re: Is tropical Asia relatively immune to Covid-19?
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 04:43:03 pm
I'd urge all interested to research Indonesia. They are a very populous country (268 million, not that much smaller than the US's population if we put that at about 330 million)... so, they do seem to be getting cases but in what context?
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Indonesia was in denial over coronavirus. Now it may be facing a looming disaster
April 7, 2020 4.01pm EDT

Almost no one thinks Indonesia is handling the COVID-19 pandemic well.

Until early March, the government claimed it had no cases of infection, something the eccentric health minister, Terawan Agus Putranto, attributed to prayer. The home affairs minister urged the public to eat more bean sprouts and broccoli, while President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) sang the praises of jamu, traditional herbal remedies.

The government had been in denial. Terawan dismissed as “insulting” a report by Harvard University researchers saying Indonesia must have unreported cases. As recently as last Friday, another minister was still arguing the virus cannot survive in tropical climates.

Read more at:  https://theconversation.com/indonesia-was-in-denial-over-coronavirus-now-it-may-be-facing-a-looming-disaster-135436

Also, the virus may be limited in tropical climates but something I saw indicated it basically has to be a certain set of conditions, for whatever reasons, I think Indonesia is a nation to watch.

Might Cuba likewise be that? And Brazil?  One can check on all of these.


Title: Re: Inside Wuhan’s secretive National Biosafety Lab
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 08, 2020, 04:59:16 pm
"National Biosafety Lab"  You can't make this shit up. 333cleo
Title: Re: Is tropical Asia relatively immune to Covid-19?
Post by: catfish1957 on April 08, 2020, 05:26:43 pm
Well...hopefull we'll start getting some of our subtropical humidity around here soon -- another month or so.

I was looking at some of the "world meters" COVID-19 data from a link another poster provided.

Some of the stats just don't make sense or add up.  I am thinking mostly (1) skewed stats from different governments with different accounting methods,  (2) There are probably genetic markers that pre-dispose some ethnic groups more than others.  A real good historic example is how the native americans fared after Small Pox was introduced into the new world, and (3) Demographics based on age, and percentage of those populations with pre-exisisting conditions. 

Then you like you said, there may be climatic tendencies that may impact how this virus is spread.  In any case by the time this thing is solved, the field of Virology will be greatly expanded to understand this matter.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 08, 2020, 06:18:36 pm
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Coronavirus: Boris Johnson 'improving' as intensive care treatment continues
BBC, Apr 8, 2020, 2:15 pm ET

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "improving" after two nights in intensive care with coronavirus, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said.

Mr Johnson was now sitting up in bed and "engaging positively" with the clinical team at St Thomas' Hospital in London, the chancellor added.

Mr Sunak also said a Cobra meeting on Thursday would discuss "the approach" to take in reviewing lockdown measures.

It comes as a record 938 daily deaths were reported in UK hospitals


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52221724 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52221724)
Title: Trials of IS Fighters in Syria Suspended Indefinitely
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 07:19:07 pm
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Trials of IS Fighters in Syria Suspended Indefinitely
By Heather Murdock   April 02, 2020 11:12 AM

HASSEKA, SYRIA - “It’s like we are holding a ticking bomb in our hands,” a guard in a prison in northeastern Syria told us in February. The facility holds roughly 5,000 accused Islamic State militants from all over the world.

A month later, the metaphorical bomb went off. Prisoners rioted on Sunday, overrunning one floor of the prison and smashing interior doors.

Later that night, wearing a black mask and flanked by men carrying AK-47s, Rubar Hassan, the prison’s director, appeared before news cameras, appealing for international help. More than a year after the territorial defeat of IS in Syria, officials here still feel baffled and betrayed by the international community.

Read more at:  https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/trials-fighters-syria-suspended-indefinitely (https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/trials-fighters-syria-suspended-indefinitely)

Whatever one thinks about the Coronavirus, dangers exagerrated or what have you, one thing I think is certain, if there were not proper healthcare set up in a prison and it's probably not too good under Assad (that's not the case with this prison surely mainly Kurd-maintained), the virus could ravage a prison and see a lot of suffering. I'm sure that is true of many prisons in less wealthy nations.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 07:22:40 pm
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How the World Health Organisation’s failure to challenge China over coronavirus cost us dearly
The international body blithely accepted Beijing’s assurances that there was little to worry about.
By Lawrence Freedman

As the Japanese government counted the cost of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics being postponed to next year, Taro Aso, the country’s deputy prime minister, took out his frustration on the World Health Organisation (WHO). Preparation for a pandemic of exactly this nature had long been the WHO’s top priority. So why did it fail the test so badly when the moment came?

Aso’s answer was that the WHO had grown far too close to China. Indeed, he suggested, it should change its name to the Chinese Health Organisation. Not only was the previous WHO director-general, Margaret Chan, a Chinese national but her successor, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the former Ethiopian health minister, was China’s candidate. The allegation was serious: “Early on, if the WHO had not insisted to the world that China had no pneumonia epidemic, then everybody would have taken precautions,” he said on 28 March. Although it was alerted in late December that a new disease had appeared in the Chinese city of Wuhan, the WHO continued to repeat Beijing’s assurances that there was nothing much to worry about.

The WHO had been warned of the problem in Wuhan from a reliable but awkward source. In common with most international organisations, at China’s insistence the WHO does not include Taiwan as an independent member. That is why those looking for evidence of Taiwan’s performance in the struggle against Covid-19 will search in vain on the WHO website. Yet, as Aso also noted, Taiwan can claim to be a “world leader” in responding to the virus and its impressive record should be known. By screening people arriving on flights from China and tracing the contacts of all known cases, this island country of some 24 million people has so far limited the number of cases to 363, with five deaths.

Read more at: https://www.newstatesman.com/world/asia/2020/04/how-world-health-organisation-s-failure-challenge-china-over-coronavirus-cost-us (https://www.newstatesman.com/world/asia/2020/04/how-world-health-organisation-s-failure-challenge-china-over-coronavirus-cost-us)


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Turkey announces help for Bosnia amid COVID-19 outbreak
Turkey to provide assistance to Bosnia to curb spread of coronavirus, says Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu
News Service
16:58 April 07, 2020

Turkey will provide medical and professional assistance, as well as support in the procurement of essential goods to Bosnia and Herzegovina amid coronavirus outbreak, said Turkish foreign minister on Tuesday.

Mevlut Cavusoglu was speaking to his Bosnian counterpart Bisera Turkovic.

Cavusoglu said that his country will support Bosnia's efforts to combat the spread of the coronavirus in the country.

Read more at:  https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/turkey-announces-help-for-bosnia-amid-covid-19-outbreak-3516240 (https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/turkey-announces-help-for-bosnia-amid-covid-19-outbreak-3516240)

I don't think Bosnia nor anywhere in the Balkans is especially hard-hit at this point in time.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 07:41:27 pm
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Coronavirus: Toronto recalls $200K worth of ‘poor quality’ masks distributed to long-term care homes

...

In a statement released Tuesday afternoon, City staff said 1,252 boxes containing 50 masks per box — a total of 62,600 masks — were distributed to the municipally-owned long-term care homes on March 28. The masks, which were manufactured in China, were delivered the day before from an unspecified vendor.

Read more at: https://globalnews.ca/news/6789934/coronavirus-city-of-toronto-surgical-masks-recall/

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Japan declared a state of emergency, but it’s no lockdown. So what is it?
By Mari Yamaguchi The Associated Press   Posted April 8, 2020 8:04 am

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has declared a state of emergency in Tokyo and six other hard-hit Japanese prefectures to fortify the fight against the coronavirus outbreak. But this is no European or Wuhan-style lockdown. A look at what Japan’s state of emergency entails:

Q. WHY DID ABE DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY?

A. Abe was facing heavy pressure to declare a state of emergency after the number of new cases in Tokyo began doubling every several days in late March. The city of 14 million had 1,339 cases as of Wednesday, up from about 600 a week earlier. Japan focused on dealing with clusters of infections and selective testing for the virus, a strategy that has failed to curb its spread. Experts found that one-third of Tokyo’s recent cases were linked to hostess clubs and other night entertainment districts where cluster tracing is difficult. Meanwhile, compliance with calls for working remotely and other social distancing has been weak.

Read more at:  https://globalnews.ca/news/6792908/coronavirus-japan-state-of-emergency-explained/
Title: ‘Pray for Boris’ and other signs of spiritual revival
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 08:08:16 pm
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‘Pray for Boris’ and other signs of spiritual revival
The Christian Science Monitor


One of the world’s most powerful figures, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has been laid low by the coronavirus. News of his hospitalization would be compelling enough. Yet the public response is just as newsworthy. It hints at a spiritual revival of concern for the weakest during this health crisis, no matter what their station in life.

Across Britain, people have placed signs outside houses saying “Pray for Boris.” Muslim, Jewish, and Christian leaders in Britain have offered prayers or asked for God’s blessing for the prime minister and his loved ones.

Abroad, Japanese Prime Minister Abe Shinzo said he had prayed for Mr. Johnson’s “swift recovery.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, “The people of Israel pray for the speedy and full recovery of our friend.” President Donald Trump said both he and the American people were praying for a “good friend.”

See more at: https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2020/0408/Pray-for-Boris-and-other-signs-of-spiritual-revival (https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2020/0408/Pray-for-Boris-and-other-signs-of-spiritual-revival)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 08, 2020, 08:23:57 pm
I just hope and pray some terrorist isn't thinking, you know this corona virus just took down the world's economy....let's see what we can conjure up.  Scary...….
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: berdie on April 08, 2020, 08:40:16 pm
I just hope and pray some terrorist isn't thinking, you know this corona virus just took down the world's economy....let's see what we can conjure up.  Scary...….




That thought has crossed my mind as well.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 08, 2020, 08:55:42 pm
I just hope and pray some terrorist isn't thinking, you know this corona virus just took down the world's economy....let's see what we can conjure up.  Scary...….

That terrorist would be an eco-warrior to "save the planet" from people... There seems to be plenty that think that way.
Title: China Could Face Lawsuits Totaling Trillions Over Handling of Coronavirus
Post by: Elderberry on April 08, 2020, 09:08:16 pm
Radio Free Asia 4/7/2020

China could face trillions of dollars in international lawsuits for its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, which first emerged in Wuhan as early as November, according to a London-based think-tank.

Nations who are part of the G7 and other governments could sue the ruling Chinese Communist Party for damages to their economies and national infrastructure after the country breached the International Health Regulations, a legally binding international treaty to which China is a signatory, the Henry Jackson Society said in a report published this week.

"These breaches allowed the outbreak to rapidly spread outside Wuhan, its place of origin," the report said, citing the failure to disclose evidence of human to-human transmission for as long as three weeks after first becoming aware of it.

More: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/coronavirus-lawsuits-04072020152630.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/coronavirus-lawsuits-04072020152630.html)
Title: Re: Is tropical Asia relatively immune to Covid-19?
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 08, 2020, 09:22:49 pm
Third-World countries are not renowned for data gathering or honesty. That ignored ...

It is not news that some viruses survive less long in the air or on surfaces in warmer weather. This may be a factor in cold or flu season. But we are not likely to be able to discern whether this coronavirus "prefers" cold weather for at least a year or two.

Tropical countries have something else in common, malaria. The malaria pest is not homogeneous. Meds that work well in one part of the world are ineffective in others. But there are at least some areas where hydroxychloroquine is in use, and may have prevented or accidentally "treated" coronavirus infections. And in areas where another anti-malarial drug is used, some of those may also be found to be effective against this coronavirus. Which is a long way of saying that the various anti-malarial drugs used in tropical countries may have prevented or rendered too mild to gain attention coronavirus infections in those countries.

Or not. Like I said, Third-World countries are not renowned for data gathering or honesty.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Gefn on April 08, 2020, 09:24:29 pm
Prayers for the PM and his partner.

It must be terrifying to be pregnant now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 08, 2020, 11:42:37 pm
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Coronavirus: Rebecca Mack's friends pay tribute after nurse's death

Tributes have been paid to a nurse who has died after it is believed she contracted coronavirus.

Rebecca Mack, 29, had worked in the children's cancer unit at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary before leaving to take up other roles in the health sector.

Ms Mack, of Morpeth, Northumberland, died on Sunday.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/182C2/production/_111701099_becca2.jpg)
The 29-year-old was described as a "one-off" by friends

Read more at:  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-52217426 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-52217426)

Downplay the danger, we should not put our healthcare workers' lives in danger over our own selfishness. I get it. Won't change my mind.  I don't know how many innocents, nurses, bus drivers as in a case in Detroit,  store workers and so on must die from this.  We can do minimum to minimize this.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 08, 2020, 11:48:36 pm
According to the infometer @TomSea

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Coronavirus Cases:
804

Deaths:
34

Title: Re: French Police Attacked in Multiple No-Go Zones Despite Lockdown Measures
Post by: Fishrrman on April 09, 2020, 12:05:31 am
Why bother even going into them?
Let the muzzies solve their own problems.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 09, 2020, 01:16:05 am
Downplay the danger, we should not put our healthcare workers' lives in danger over our own selfishness. I get it. Won't change my mind.  I don't know how many innocents, nurses, bus drivers as in a case in Detroit,  store workers and so on must die from this.  We can do minimum to minimize this.

Now do other communicable diseases they are exposed to on a daily basis.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 01:55:41 am
Downplay the danger, we should not put our healthcare workers' lives in danger over our own selfishness. I get it. Won't change my mind.  I don't know how many innocents, nurses, bus drivers as in a case in Detroit,  store workers and so on must die from this.  We can do minimum to minimize this.

Apparently staying at home is just too great a sacrifice for some to save the lives of our healthcare workers on the front lines.   **nononono*
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 01:58:27 am
Now do other communicable diseases they are exposed to on a daily basis.

Why is it that the health care workers themselves across the board are telling us how different this is from ANY other health crisis they’ve faced?

We need to listen to them.  The information is out there to answer your question.

Why don’t you find out the answer from the people who know??
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2020, 02:11:59 am
Why is it that the health care workers themselves across the board are telling us how different this is from ANY other health crisis they’ve faced? 

What other health crisis have these same workers faced?  Did they say?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 02:19:56 am
We've had these threads since January 16th, 2020...  so, a lot has already been said, probably some of the longest threads yet ever in this forum.

Almost every country in the world has taken severe measures.  Russia, France, UK, South American countries, Japan, Australia, Africa. How can all of these people be wrong? And in some countries they are not successfully combating the virus.

Israel.  Germany.

The virus has killed more Americans than 911.  We didn't just blow off 911.

China has released this on the world, that's where I'd find problems.

It's already been explained, it could cripple our healthcare system. Have a broken leg?? Wait for the coronavirus patients to go first, in fact, there are already some stories coming out on some patients who are not carriers of the virus to go elsewhere.

So, one says, oh, some of these deaths have other causes, well, they are also saying we are probably getting under-reported counts of cases and deaths.  Oh, and yes, NYC is reporting what is it? Around 200 deaths per day vs. without corona, more in the neighborhood of 150 a day? That article was posted today.

Causes lung damage? Fertility problems? Just read up.

Mexico headed towards a doctor shortage.. Everywhere quarantining or shutting down, Philippines, SE Asia and so on. India conceivably could have big problems. A lot of this has already been discussed.

Loss of civil liberties? Like in the UAE? Drones with cameras? China? Facial recognition software?  And so on.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 09, 2020, 02:30:02 am
Ok. I am going to go down the rabbit hole tomorrow.

First article posted will be "Why didn't Bill Gates have his children vaccinated?

Look it up if you have the interest.

I have pnuemonia. And something is going wrong with my right eye. I am going to bed.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 09, 2020, 02:34:28 am
Ok. I am going to go down the rabbit hole tomorrow.

First article posted will be "Why didn't Bill Gates have his children vaccinated?

Look it up if you have the interest.

I have pnuemonia. And something is going wrong with my right eye. I am going to bed.

Get some sleep and I hope you feel better in the morning! If you really have pneumonia have you contacted your doctor? You probably need antibiotics.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 09, 2020, 02:45:53 am
Get some sleep and I hope you feel better in the morning! If you really have pneumonia have you contacted your doctor? You probably need antibiotics.

I'm taking two. My doc closed his office. He will phone in scripts. I get this crap every year since 2004. It usually comes on about the time a cold or flu I have abates. They told me way back I will "always" have it.

So yeah, if I get covid it may kill me. It is getting better.

So I had the flu and it had pretty much disappeared and a couple of days later my lungs filled up and same old same old.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 03:25:22 am
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‘His Condition is Improving’: UK PM Boris Johnson ‘Sitting up in Bed’ in London Hospital
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/08/his-condition-is-improving-boris-johnson-sitting-up-in-bed/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/08/his-condition-is-improving-boris-johnson-sitting-up-in-bed/)
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: dfwgator on April 09, 2020, 03:28:31 am


That's great news!
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Gemmarose on April 09, 2020, 03:57:00 am
Continued prayers for a speedy recovery
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 04:03:57 am
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Jerusalem Post Breaking News
BREAKING NEWS
20 doctors at Mexican public hospital test positive for coronavirus
By REUTERS   APRIL 8, 2020 21:05

At least 20 doctors at a public hospital outside Mexico City have tested positive for the coronavirus, the head of Mexico's social security institute (IMSS) said on Wednesday, in the second major outbreak among health workers in the country.

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/20-doctors-at-Mexican-public-hospital-test-positive-for-coronavirus-624074 (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/20-doctors-at-Mexican-public-hospital-test-positive-for-coronavirus-624074)


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Jerusalem Post Health & Science
Israeli COVID-19 treatment shows 100% survival rate - preliminary data
Not only have all the patients survived, according to Pluristem, but four of them showed improvement in respiratory parameters.
By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN   APRIL 8, 2020 23:59

Six critically ill coronavirus patients in Israel who are considered high-risk for mortality have been treated with Pluristem’s placenta-based cell-therapy product and survived, according to preliminary data provided by the Haifa-based company.

The patients were treated at three different Israeli medical centers for one week under the country’s compassionate use program and were suffering from acute respiratory failure and inflammatory complications associated with COVID-19. Four of the patients also demonstrated failure of other organ systems, including cardiovascular and kidney failure.

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-COVID-19-treatment-shows-100-percent-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058 (https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-COVID-19-treatment-shows-100-percent-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 07:33:28 am
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Taiwan rebuffs accusations it racially attacked WHO chief
Ben Blanchard

TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan on Thursday angrily condemned accusations from the World Health Organization’s (WHO) boss that racist slurs against him had come from the island, saying racism did not exist in Taiwan in an escalation of its bitter quarrel with the body.

Taiwan’s exclusion from the WHO, due to objections from China which claims the island as its own, has infuriated the Taipei government during the coronavirus outbreak.

Taiwan says it has been unable to get timely information and that Taiwanese lives have become political pawns. The WHO denies this.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan-who/taiwan-rebuffs-accusations-it-racially-attacked-who-chief-idUSKCN21R04R (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan-who/taiwan-rebuffs-accusations-it-racially-attacked-who-chief-idUSKCN21R04R)

The article does not state what could have been racist that Tedros accuses Taiwan of or I missed it.  So, Taiwan probably said nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 07:45:59 am
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The Latest: India identifies, seals coronavirus hot spots
Indian authorities have identified and sealed dozens of hot spots in the Indian capital and neighboring Uttar Pradesh state comprising residential districts to check the rising trajectory of new coronavirus infections
By  The Associated Press
April 9, 2020,

 NEW DELHI — Indian authorities have identified and sealed dozens of hot spots in the Indian capital and the neighboring Uttar Pradesh state comprising residential districts to check the rising trajectory of new coronavirus infections.

Government statements late Wednesday said people will be supplied food, medicines and other supplies at their doorsteps and they will not be allowed to leave these areas.

Authorities also made it compulsory for people to wear face masks when stepping outdoors in areas not covered by these restrictions in the two states.

More at: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/latest-india-identifies-seals-coronavirus-hot-spots-70058601


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 07:48:23 am
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Coronavirus Is Killing Lopez Obrador’s Big Plans for Mexico

His “Fourth Transformation” is a victim of his failure to take the pandemic seriously.

Blog Post by Shannon K. O'Neil      April 7, 2020

Covid-19 has come to Mexico. Factories are shut, planes grounded, beaches empty. Some 2,000 are now infected and dozens dead; cases have been doubling every few days. For weeks, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador blithely ignored the lessons coming out of Italy, Spain and elsewhere. He held rallies, hugged supporters, kissed children and made fun of safety recommendations.

When the federal government did finally announce social distancing measures to begin on March 23, the president wasn’t the one who faced the nation. Instead he sent a Health Ministry undersecretary to urge citizens to stay home. Later the Foreign Minister, not the president, declared a national emergency.

Only now, two weeks later, has the president finally addressed the nation. His speech revealed his limits as a leader, and leaves Mexico unprepared to face the pandemic, rescue the economy or bring the nation together. This failure threatens not just his once sky-high approval ratings, but also the viability of his ambitious economic and political project.

More at: https://www.cfr.org/blog/coronavirus-killing-lopez-obradors-big-plans-mexico (https://www.cfr.org/blog/coronavirus-killing-lopez-obradors-big-plans-mexico)

Mexico, India, Brazil potentially could all have big problems with this virus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 07:58:29 am
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China defends World Health Organization after Trump slams agency, floats funding freeze
By Barnini Chakraborty | Fox News

China's propaganda machine on Wednesday mounted a furious defense of the World Health Organization (WHO) less than 24 hours after President Trump slammed the global agency and threatened to pull millions of dollars in U.S. funding.

"As UN spokesman said, it's clear that WHO, under Dr. Tedros' [Adhanom Ghegreyesus'] leadership, has done tremendous work on COVID. WHO is showing the strength of the intl [sic] health system. We need solidarity and cooperation than ever to win the fight," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying tweeted.

Another tweet from China's official Ministry of Foreign Affairs' account read: "During the ASEAN+3 Health Ministers Special Video Meeting on #COVID19 convened on Apr 7, China, shared its control measures and knowledge about the virus, exchanged views on best practices and emphasized the leadership of WHO in global response efforts."

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-world-health-organization-trump (https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-world-health-organization-trump)

 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 08:00:56 am
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Coronavirus in Suifenhe: Remote border town locks down as China opens up

A Chinese city on the Russian border is entering a "lockdown" due to an increase in coronavirus cases - even as the rest of China cautiously opens up.

In Suifenhe, 1,000 miles from Beijing, people have been ordered to stay indoors, with some exceptions.

The border is closed to people, although not goods, and a 600-bed isolation hospital is being built.

Read more at:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52225475 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52225475)

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 08:07:18 am
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Mexican Drug Cartel Gives Out Food to the Poor Amid Pandemic
Laura Mallene

Alleged members of a Mexican narco cartel are delivering groceries to low-income families to help them overcome the consequences of the coronavirus pandemic, a blog covering narco cartels in Mexico reported on Sunday.

Pictures of boxes with labels saying “Cartel del Golfo in support of Ciudad Victoria..." appeared on social media. According to the pictures, the boxes contain some basic goods like oil, breakfast cereal and canned products.

El Blog del Narco said that people were told the labels were put on the boxes to remind that the aid did not come from the government.

Read more at: https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/12038-mexican-drug-cartel-gives-out-food-to-the-poor-amid-pandemic (https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/12038-mexican-drug-cartel-gives-out-food-to-the-poor-amid-pandemic)

Australia seems to be combatting this effectively but they are still carrying out restrictions.

https://www.miragenews.com/australia-coronavirus-live-data-charts-and-updates/ (https://www.miragenews.com/australia-coronavirus-live-data-charts-and-updates/)
Title: Corona in Germany: Easter is cancelled, Ramadan event with 50000 participants is not !
Post by: rangerrebew on April 09, 2020, 11:18:35 am

Corona in Germany: Easter is cancelled, Ramadan event with 50000 participants is not !
Posted on 6. Apr 2020   

    Welcome to the “virus spreader”: 50000 Muslims in the Westfalen-Halls in Dortmund, Germany https://t.co/Z569i3WHiN pic.twitter.com/VYp9tnsljL
    — Fred Alan Medforth (@FredMedforth) April 3, 2020
 

Christian Easter is cancelled in Germany, but the Muslim Ramadan is to take place as planned – so far. For example with a large-scale celebration, where about 50,000 Muslims will gather in Dortmund for three weeks to celebrate. Europe’s major Ramadan event in Europe with 50.000 visitors (!) will take place in the Westphalia Halls in Dortmund. Despite allegedly great dangers because of Corona virus and despite the fact that the churches were urged shortly before to cancel the Easter festival. And they have been intimidated, with very few notable exceptions. At least this is what the city of Dortmund said a few weeks ago.And up to the hour the festival is eagerly advertised, but a request to the organizer, who continues to announce the event, whether the event should continue, has remained unanswered so far. Also the city of Dortmund has received a press request from the internet portal PP, as soon as we get more information here, we will publish it here! The only concession to the contact and curfew, allegedly implemented for our safety, that the municipality has made so far: the whole thing does not take place in the open air, but in the halls.

philosophia-perennis.com/2020/04/05/corona-vorbei-ramadan-veranstaltung-mit-50-000-teilnehmern-in-dortmund-wird-nicht-abgesagt/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 09, 2020, 11:32:31 am
Why is it that the health care workers themselves across the board are telling us how different this is from ANY other health crisis they’ve faced?

We need to listen to them.  The information is out there to answer your question.

Why don’t you find out the answer from the people who know??

People who know?  You mean like the “people who know” that just two weeks ago that were predicting 200k deaths in this country by this week?

Oh wait...they knocked it down to 80k this week a few days ago.

The “people who know” that were claiming beds would be overflowing with virus patients to the point where hospitals would have enough room for all oft hem and would have to implement rationed care?

Are those the “people who know” that you’re referring to?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 12:14:35 pm
People who know?  You mean like the “people who know” that just two weeks ago that were predicting 200k deaths in this country by this week?

Oh wait...they knocked it down to 80k this week a few days ago.

The “people who know” that were claiming beds would be overflowing with virus patients to the point where hospitals would have enough room for all oft hem and would have to implement rationed care?

Are those the “people who know” that you’re referring to?

You clearly are choosing not to read the actual words I’m saying.  If you were you wouldn’t be asking so many questions that have already been answered.

But in case you’re open to finding out at some point, I’ll say it again.

The “people who know” are those who are dealing with this disease first hand.  The medical people, doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, those in ERs and ICUs who say over and over again that this is the worst thing they have dealt with in long medical careers.  That this is most certainly not “the flu.”

I repeat...... the people I choose to listen to about this are actually people who are informed first hand about things that you clearly don’t want to know.

Now next time don’t formulate your cute little retort before you understand what’s been said.

It makes for more intelligent dialogue..... none of which I’ve experienced with you about this subject.... at least to this point.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 09, 2020, 12:17:24 pm
People who know?  You mean like the “people who know” that just two weeks ago that were predicting 200k deaths in this country by this week?

Oh wait...they knocked it down to 80k this week a few days ago.

The “people who know” that were claiming beds would be overflowing with virus patients to the point where hospitals would have enough room for all oft hem and would have to implement rationed care?

Are those the “people who know” that you’re referring to?

Yeah. It's bullcrap.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 12:52:51 pm
Yeah. It's bullcrap.

Read my last post.  I was referring to people who have seen this virus up close and personal and are risking their lives (many getting sick and some dying), and who know it’s dangers.

They know it’s not bullcrap.

But it is kind of amusing that the people mocking social distancing are also mocking the fact that it’s working and slowing the spread of the disease so that hospitals are not overwhelmed and treatments can be developed...... which of course is the goal.

You guys get to ridicule the success of the solution you also ridiculed.

How convenient for you.  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 09, 2020, 12:58:22 pm
Read my last post.  I was referring to people who have seen this virus up close and personal and are risking their lives (many getting sick and some dying), and who know it’s dangers.

Good on ya, and good on them - Still bullcrap.

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They know it’s not bullcrap.

No, they don't.

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But it is kind of amusing that the people mocking social distancing are also mocking the fact that it’s working and slowing the spread of the disease so that hospitals are not overwhelmed and treatments can be developed...... which of course is the goal.

It isn't a medical problem - It is a logistical one.

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You guys get to ridicule the success of the solution you also ridiculed.

How convenient for you.  :beer:

Success? What success?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 09, 2020, 01:30:58 pm
Read my last post.  I was referring to people who have seen this virus up close and personal and are risking their lives (many getting sick and some dying), and who know it’s dangers.

They know it’s not bullcrap.

But it is kind of amusing that the people mocking social distancing are also mocking the fact that it’s working and slowing the spread of the disease so that hospitals are not overwhelmed and treatments can be developed...... which of course is the goal.

You guys get to ridicule the success of the solution you also ridiculed.

How convenient for you.  :beer:

@musiclady

My own 51-year-old daughter is a trauma certified registered nurse working at a 500+ bed hospital with as of yesterday 57 patients.  I know first hand what SHE says and its the same for her colleagues.  They ALL say that the reaction to this is WAY overblown and I'm going to take her word for that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 01:43:53 pm
Good on ya, and good on them - Still bullcrap.

No, they don't.

It isn't a medical problem - It is a logistical one.

Success? What success?

Thanks for the intelligent response to a complex issue.  Understanding your thought process in evaluating what's happening is so helpful. /heavy sarcasm

Success:  Because of early intervention in Ohio, the numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths are much lower than in other neighboring populous states where the measures were taken much later. 

Michigan, more than 20,000 cases, Pennsylvania almost 17,000 cases, Ohio, 5,000 cases.

Because of that, Ohio hospitals have had more time to get equipment, to increase capacity, and to protect healthcare workers on the front lines, treatments are having some success, and the vaccine is closer to coming into being.

But of course, to you that isn't success, because you want the virus to run its course immediately, let people die from it, healthcare workers and treatments be damned.

We'll never find common ground here, because I find your callousness inexcusable, and you find my desire to save lives 'bullcrap.'

I want to remain friends with you because in most areas we are in agreement.  On this issue, with my lifetime of exposure to the medical profession, medical professionals and a caring hospital staff and administration, and my hearing what they are saying (to a person) on this pandemic, I will never agree with the "let them die" attitude you have.

So I will probably put you back on Ignore so I don't lose any more respect for you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on April 09, 2020, 01:55:20 pm
@musiclady

My own 51-year-old daughter is a trauma certified registered nurse working at a 500+ bed hospital with as of yesterday 57 patients.  I know first hand what SHE says and its the same for her colleagues.  They ALL say that the reaction to this is WAY overblown and I'm going to take her word for that.

My aunt suffered a massive stroke on Monday. She's hovering on the edge right now. Her son, who has been incarcerated for years, was released early to visit her but neither he, my aunt's daughter or husband are allowed to enter the hospital.

The hospital staff have asked the family to stop calling because each time they do a nurse must bring my aunt the phone and hold it to her ear.

No encouragement or comfort for her will come from family. So she most likely will die alone.

This is other side of this 'compassionate' quarantine.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 09, 2020, 01:58:29 pm
Thanks for the intelligent response to a complex issue.  Understanding your thought process in evaluating what's happening is so helpful. /heavy sarcasm

Success:  Because of early intervention in Ohio, the numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths are much lower than in other neighboring populous states where the measures were taken much later. 

Michigan, more than 20,000 cases, Pennsylvania almost 17,000 cases, Ohio, 5,000 cases.

Because of that, Ohio hospitals have had more time to get equipment, to increase capacity, and to protect healthcare workers on the front lines, treatments are having some success, and the vaccine is closer to coming into being.

But of course, to you that isn't success, because you want the virus to run its course immediately, let people die from it, healthcare workers and treatments be damned.

We'll never find common ground here, because I find your callousness inexcusable, and you find my desire to save lives 'bullcrap.'

I want to remain friends with you because in most areas we are in agreement.  On this issue, with my lifetime of exposure to the medical profession, medical professionals and a caring hospital staff and administration, and my hearing what they are saying (to a person) on this pandemic, I will never agree with the "let them die" attitude you have.

So I will probably put you back on Ignore so I don't lose any more respect for you.

Your opinion of me, madame, is what is inexcusable - Both insulting and offensive.
My position is neither callous nor 'let em die'. Rather, I would save every single one.

And your example of it 'working' is absurd - I may as well brag about our mere 300 cases and single digit deaths. But I won't because it is preposterous.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 02:19:52 pm
Your opinion of me, madame, is what is inexcusable - Both insulting and offensive.
My position is neither callous nor 'let em die'. Rather, I would save every single one.

And your example of it 'working' is absurd - I may as well brag about our mere 300 cases and single digit deaths. But I won't because it is preposterous.

You will think what you will think because you think what you think is what everyone should think or they are stupid ....... facts notwithstanding.

Have a Blessed Easter, friend.

I will see you on the other side of this crisis.

Until then........
Title: Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulus
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 02:24:08 pm
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Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulus

    More than US$2 billion of the country’s record economic stimulus package will be used to help companies move production away from China

    The move coincides with what should have been a celebration of friendlier ties between the two countries, before the pandemic struck


Bloomberg
Published: 10:32am, 9 Apr, 2020

Japan  has earmarked US $2.2 billion of its record economic stimulus package to help its manufacturers shift production out of China as the coronavirus disrupts supply chains between the major trading partners.

The extra budget, compiled to try to offset the devastating effects of the pandemic, includes 220 billion yen (US$2 billion) for companies shifting production back to Japan and 23.5 billion yen for those seeking to move production to other countries, according to details of the plan posted online.

The move coincides with what should have been a celebration of friendlier ties between the two countries. Chinese President Xi Jinping
was supposed to be on a state visit to Japan early this month. But what would have been the first visit of its sort in a decade was postponed a month ago amid the spread of the virus and no new date has been set.

Read more at:  https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3079126/japan-pay-firms-leave-china-relocate-production-elsewhere-part (https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3079126/japan-pay-firms-leave-china-relocate-production-elsewhere-part)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 09, 2020, 02:31:19 pm
You will think what you will think because you think what you think is what everyone should think or they are stupid ....... facts notwithstanding.

Consider projection...

And I see the same facts you do.

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Have a Blessed Easter, friend.

Pesach is already passed.

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I will see you on the other side of this crisis.

Until then........

Yep..
Title: Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
Post by: rangerrebew on April 09, 2020, 02:32:00 pm

Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
 
Frances Martel7 Apr 20202
 

Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags, Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported on Monday.

RFA noted that it could not independently verify that the Chinese Communist Party was burning coronavirus patients alive, nor has the Communist Party confirmed or denied the rumors. Yet the rumors persist that, to make room for new patients in Wuhan’s overcrowded hospitals, medical staff chose older patients less likely to survive the infection and shipped them to incinerators while they were still alive and conscious.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29 (https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 09, 2020, 02:35:04 pm
Beers from Castillo del Cyber all around!

 :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 09, 2020, 02:35:11 pm
My aunt suffered a massive stroke on Monday. She's hovering on the edge right now. Her son, who has been incarcerated for years, was released early to visit her but neither he, my aunt's daughter or husband are allowed to enter the hospital.

The hospital staff have asked the family to stop calling because each time they do a nurse must bring my aunt the phone and hold it to her ear.

No encouragement or comfort for her will come from family. So she most likely will die alone.

This is other side of this 'compassionate' quarantine.
Oh NOOOOO!  I am so sorry!  My father died from a stroke after surgery in the hospital.  It was a time that I can't let my mind return to.  I'll pray for her and your family.  I have no words other than.....   HE IS RISEN!  That is our hope.....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 09, 2020, 02:40:18 pm
My aunt suffered a massive stroke on Monday. She's hovering on the edge right now. Her son, who has been incarcerated for years, was released early to visit her but neither he, my aunt's daughter or husband are allowed to enter the hospital.

The hospital staff have asked the family to stop calling because each time they do a nurse must bring my aunt the phone and hold it to her ear.

No encouragement or comfort for her will come from family. So she most likely will die alone.

This is other side of this 'compassionate' quarantine.

Sad news on many levels @skeeter sorry to hear that.  I'll be praying for her.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on April 09, 2020, 02:41:04 pm
Oh NOOOOO!  I am so sorry!  My father died from a stroke after surgery in the hospital.  It was a time that I can't let my mind return to.  I'll pray for her and your family.  I have no words other than.....   HE IS RISEN!  That is our hope.....
Thanks friend.

He is risen.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 02:51:54 pm
Consider projection...

And I see the same facts you do.

Pesach is already passed.

Yep..

Indeed!  All four (maybe five?) of you are right and the entire medical community is wrong.  Got it!

Stay safe. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2020, 02:55:53 pm
@musiclady

My own 51-year-old daughter is a trauma certified registered nurse working at a 500+ bed hospital with as of yesterday 57 patients.  I know first hand what SHE says and its the same for her colleagues.  They ALL say that the reaction to this is WAY overblown and I'm going to take her word for that.

I'm familiar with your POV on the reaction to the coronavirus @Bigun ---and I respect it.   I would be willing to jump on the bandwagon you're on .... but first I need proof that the decrease in dire predictions and hospitals not overflowing are not due to the mitigation efforts Americans have embraced.

Have you any links to support mitigation efforts did not have a positive affect? 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 09, 2020, 03:01:11 pm
I'm familiar with your POV on the reaction to the coronavirus @Bigun ---and I respect it.   I would be willing to jump on the bandwagon you're on .... but first I need proof that the decrease in dire predictions and hospitals not overflowing are not due to the mitigation efforts Americans have embraced.

Have you any links to support mitigation efforts did not have a positive affect?

Wouldn't that be attempting to prove a negative?

It's a sure bet those advocating the lockdowns of the population will claim credit for any shortfall of dead bodies.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 03:03:43 pm
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US Spokesperson Urges China Take 3 Steps
By NTD Newsroom   April 9, 2020


  1.  Share virus data
  2.  Let international teams investigate how the outbreak began in China
  3.  Allow Chinese citizens freedom of speech

More at:  https://www.ntd.com/us-spokesperson-urges-china-take-3-steps_453629.html (https://www.ntd.com/us-spokesperson-urges-china-take-3-steps_453629.html)

As long as China destroys samples, etc. etc., is not transparent, why trust anything they say and here we are in April on this.

Don't give up, now, the oldest person to survive ---

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Dutch woman the oldest in the world to survive Covid-19
By Janene Pieters on April 9, 2020 - 11:50

Cornelia Ras from Goeree-Overflakkee is the oldest person worldwide to survive a Covid-19 infection, a spokesperson for the World Health Organization (WHO) said to NU.nl. The 107-year-old woman was given a clean bill of health on Monday, after contracting the coronavirus during a church service in her nursing home in mid-March.

The WHO monitors the number of coronavirus cases worldwide. "We have not received any information of an older patient," the spokesperson said to the newspaper, but added that the age of a number of recovered patients is unknown. "But even then, she will most likely be the oldest."

Before Ras recovered, a 104-year-old man from Oregon was the oldest recovered coronavirus patient.

Read more at:  https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/09/dutch-woman-oldest-world-survive-covid-19 (https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/09/dutch-woman-oldest-world-survive-covid-19)

All from  Radio Free Asia  (https://www.rfa.org/)
(https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/Coronavirus-Outbreak-cartoon-03182020150619.html/200318RFA_en-1000.jpg/@@images/cc145ba1-fd08-4fbb-8691-68248dd7a164.jpeg)
(https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/covid19-cartoon-03302020154744.html/200327RFA-1000.jpg/@@images/64383a3f-356a-4673-9d3e-336cbf24764d.jpeg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 09, 2020, 03:05:48 pm
Indeed!  All four (maybe five?) of you are right and the entire medical community is wrong.  Got it!

Stay safe.

In a word, yes.

May your chains rest lightly.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 09, 2020, 03:08:07 pm
My aunt suffered a massive stroke on Monday. She's hovering on the edge right now. Her son, who has been incarcerated for years, was released early to visit her but neither he, my aunt's daughter or husband are allowed to enter the hospital.

The hospital staff have asked the family to stop calling because each time they do a nurse must bring my aunt the phone and hold it to her ear.

No encouragement or comfort for her will come from family. So she most likely will die alone.

This is other side of this 'compassionate' quarantine.

Sonsabiches.  *****rollingeyes*****

My heart goes out to you pal. It sure as hell ought not be like that.
prayers all around.  :0001: :0001: :0001:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 03:13:35 pm
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Tom Cotton@SenTomCotton
Very grateful for the people of Vietnam and their generosity during this time. Thank you!

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Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
 Â· 15h
This morning, 450,000 protective suits landed in Dallas, Texas. This was made possible because of the partnership of two great American companies—DuPont and FedEx—and our friends in Vietnam. Thank you! @DuPont_News @FedEx
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVHhkbgUwAA-PSB?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1248266687742386176

Amazing, from Vietnam.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 03:14:43 pm
My aunt suffered a massive stroke on Monday. She's hovering on the edge right now. Her son, who has been incarcerated for years, was released early to visit her but neither he, my aunt's daughter or husband are allowed to enter the hospital.

The hospital staff have asked the family to stop calling because each time they do a nurse must bring my aunt the phone and hold it to her ear.

No encouragement or comfort for her will come from family. So she most likely will die alone.

This is other side of this 'compassionate' quarantine.

I'm so sorry. She and your family will be in my prayers.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 03:26:40 pm
This is real bad, what does CHINA do with the money they spend to make other nations subservient?  And thinking about it, China has a billion plus people, so yes, they need to feed them as we feed our people.

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Heshmat Alavi@HeshmatAlavi
THREAD

1)
As criticism grows against China over the #coronavirus pandemic, it is worth noting the regime ruling #Iran is allowing Chinese fishing companies use "bottom trawling" techniques in the Gulf of Oman, leaving local fishermen & marine life devastated in SE Iran.

Video:  https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1248266688153423872 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1248266688153423872)

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Miss England Hangs up Her Crown to Return to Work as Doctor During COVID-19 Pandemic
By Wire Service   April 7, 2020
 
A beauty queen who was crowned Miss England in 2019 has returned to the United Kingdom from overseas charity work to continue her career as a doctor amid the CCP virus pandemic.

Bhasha Mukherjee took a career break as a junior doctor after competing in the Miss World pageant in December 2019. Mukherjee represented England at the pageant after winning Miss England.

Invited to be an ambassador for several charities, Mukherjee had planned to hang up her stethoscope and focus on humanitarian work until August this year.

Read more at: https://www.ntd.com/miss-england-hangs-up-her-crown-to-return-to-work-as-doctor-during-coronavirus-pandemic_452969.html (https://www.ntd.com/miss-england-hangs-up-her-crown-to-return-to-work-as-doctor-during-coronavirus-pandemic_452969.html)

So, she must be of Hindu origin, nice story.

Boy! More mean-spiritedness out of WaPo, just posting the headline, speaking of VN:

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This pandemic is Trump’s Vietnam. He has earned his bone spurs.
By  Dana Milbank
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/07/this-pandemic-is-trumps-vietnam-he-has-earned-his-bone-spurs/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/07/this-pandemic-is-trumps-vietnam-he-has-earned-his-bone-spurs/)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2020, 03:32:57 pm
Wouldn't that be attempting to prove a negative?  It's a sure bet those advocating the lockdowns of the population will claim credit for any shortfall of dead bodies.

I don't think you have to be an "advocate" of the lockdown to wonder if it actually helped mitigate the spread of the disease @Cyber Liberty

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on April 09, 2020, 03:33:35 pm
Sad news on many levels @skeeter sorry to hear that.  I'll be praying for her.

Thats all I could offer my cousins, as well. Thanks @Bigun & @TomSea
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 09, 2020, 03:36:54 pm
I don't think you have to be an "advocate" of the lockdown to wonder if it actually helped mitigate the spread of the disease @Cyber Liberty

True.  I guess my point, if there was one, is rigid thinking helps nobody? :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 03:37:43 pm
In a word, yes.

May your chains rest lightly.

I got no chains on me.......... only those of Jesus Christ, and His yoke is easy and His burden light.  I am as free as I have ever been.

But thanks for the thought.

Again....... be well.  Stay safe.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 03:39:35 pm
My aunt suffered a massive stroke on Monday. She's hovering on the edge right now. Her son, who has been incarcerated for years, was released early to visit her but neither he, my aunt's daughter or husband are allowed to enter the hospital.

The hospital staff have asked the family to stop calling because each time they do a nurse must bring my aunt the phone and hold it to her ear.

No encouragement or comfort for her will come from family. So she most likely will die alone.

This is other side of this 'compassionate' quarantine.

I will pray for your aunt and your family, @skeeter.  I'm so sorry!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 09, 2020, 03:43:17 pm
I'm familiar with your POV on the reaction to the coronavirus @Bigun ---and I respect it.   I would be willing to jump on the bandwagon you're on .... but first I need proof that the decrease in dire predictions and hospitals not overflowing are not due to the mitigation efforts Americans have embraced.

Have you any links to support mitigation efforts did not have a positive affect?

Yes, in fact, I do!  Listen to your own Dr. Fauci closely:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlvb4p15DhE&feature=youtu.be#)

Our friend @massadvj lays it all out for you here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397526.msg2186408.html#msg2186408) @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 09, 2020, 03:48:42 pm


The virus has killed more Americans than 911.  We didn't just blow off 911.

China has released this on the world, that's where I'd find problems.

@TomSea

Highlighted in bold because people need to remember and focus on THIS FACT.

BTW,did you know that Pelosi's husband has a law firm that represents China in the US,and that he was even a partner in NORINCO,until the Chinese reps in Long Beach had to shut the doors and leave on the first thing flying to escape arrest.

According to the BATF they were selling machine guns to gangs,including Mexican Drug Cartels,and smuggling them into the country hidden in shipments of semi-auto AK-47 clones.

Or at least that was what they said in the required briefing to a Senate Committee that Nancy chairs,the day before the raid was scheduled.

Oddly enough,within hours of briefing her Senate Committee,EVERY Chinese national in the US associated with NORINCO fled the country on the first thing smoking. The BATF raided warehouses and confiscated machineguns the next morning,but there was nobody there to arrest.

Go figure.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 09, 2020, 03:51:54 pm

The patients were treated at three different Israeli medical centers for one week under the country’s compassionate use program and were suffering from acute respiratory failure and inflammatory complications associated with COVID-19. Four of the patients also demonstrated failure of other organ systems, including cardiovascular and kidney failure.

@TomSea

YIKES! Those were some tough hills to climb,and a LOT to ask from a new drug treatment!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 09, 2020, 03:53:02 pm
@TomSea

Highlighted in bold because people need to remember and focus on THIS FACT.

BTW,did you know that Pelosi's husband has a law firm that represents China in the US,and that he was even a partner in NORINCO,until the Chinese reps in Long Beach had to shut the doors and leave on the first thing flying to escape arrest.

According to the BATF they were selling machine guns to gangs,including Mexican Drug Cartels,and smuggling them into the country hidden in shipments of semi-auto AK-47 clones.

Or at least that was what they said in the required briefing to a Senate Committee that Nancy chairs,the day before the raid was scheduled.

Oddly enough,within hours of briefing her Senate Committee,EVERY Chinese national in the US associated with NORINCO fled the country on the first thing smoking. The BATF raided warehouses and confiscated machineguns the next morning,but there was nobody there to arrest.

Go figure.

And don't forget about the Senator from California (Mrs. Feinstein).  She's long been on the CHICOM payroll as well.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 09, 2020, 03:53:52 pm

Taiwan’s exclusion from the WHO, due to objections from China which claims the island as its own, has infuriated the Taipei government during the coronavirus outbreak.

@TomSea

Gee,I wonder why a little thing like that would upset them?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 04:06:59 pm
Wouldn't that be attempting to prove a negative?

It's a sure bet those advocating the lockdowns of the population will claim credit for any shortfall of dead bodies.

You can't prove that prayer works, but I'm pretty sure that the prayers of God's people are helping create a "shortfall of dead bodies."

Simple fact:  Viruses are carried by people.  If people have less contact with other people, then there will be less spread of the disease.  (I'd give some facts, but some sensitive types might thing it's 'bragging."  *****rollingeyes*****)

It may not be provable, but the opposite argument is also unprovable.  And it's a sure bet (actually, it's already happening) that the lower death count is being used as an argument that this was all much ado about nothing.

I say, shouldn't we rejoice that the worst case scenarios were wrong, and not be saying "I told you so!  I was right that this was no big deal!"?

No matter which side one is on, one should be happy that there is not as much death as there might have been.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 09, 2020, 04:08:40 pm
Wouldn't that be attempting to prove a negative?

It's a sure bet those advocating the lockdowns of the population will claim credit for any shortfall of dead bodies.

All the choices are bad. Bad things were and are going to happen no matter what path was chosen. Only in the aftermath will we be able to analyze what actually happened, what different states and countries did differently and what the outcomes were based on those different approaches.

I do know this. China has very little regard for human life. Economic considerations comes first there. And yet they completely closed down the most productive cities in their country once they realized what they were dealing with.

I also know that politically it is virtually impossible for those in charge to survive people dying in significant numbers without taking decisive action to combat it. Even if the action isn't necessarily effective.

In my opinion the most useful thing is keeping our medical people from reaching triage levels. Triage brings many horrors that are best avoided. That can be attacked on multiple fronts and and should be on a local level. Increasing the number of beds where required and producing more supplies that those beds require. In locations where there are significant numbers of empty beds people should be encouraged to go out and live their lives for as long as there are the resources available to treat those who get sick. And the opposite in those locations where the hospitals are getting near the edge.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on April 09, 2020, 04:26:59 pm
I will pray for your aunt and your family, @skeeter.  I'm so sorry!

Thanks very much @musiclady. Very weird & difficult times.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 04:33:07 pm
People who know?  You mean like the “people who know” that just two weeks ago that were predicting 200k deaths in this country by this week?

Oh wait...they knocked it down to 80k this week a few days ago.

The “people who know” that were claiming beds would be overflowing with virus patients to the point where hospitals would have enough room for all oft hem and would have to implement rationed care?

Are those the “people who know” that you’re referring to?
Maybe she means the researchers in North Carolina from back in 2015 who were splicing Bat coronavirus into mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbones and inventing new more lethal human infecting forms resistant to vaccines or drugs, alongside two Chinese researchers from Wuhan. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Maybe they "knew something", too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 04:37:43 pm
Boy, continuing from above on Wapo, they were even harsh on McConnell, this is beyond the pale.

Quote
Mike@Doranimated
When you imagine your US political rival to be "sitting on a throne of skulls," it's a clear indication you have been locked alone in your basement for days, binging on an exclusive diet of Netflix and CNN. Shut off the computer. Go for a bike ride.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVLDtSvU8AIcRJI?format=png&name=small)

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1248276969353105409 (https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1248276969353105409)

Oh, I just saw this posted under editorials.

Also, while here, story from TheSun.co.uk on how a sneeze can travel.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11359723/video-cough-can-spread-cloud-coronavirus-across-supermarket-lingers/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11359723/video-cough-can-spread-cloud-coronavirus-across-supermarket-lingers/)

It's irritating stuff. I hope this is not offensive to anyone.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 04:37:59 pm
Thanks for the intelligent response to a complex issue.  Understanding your thought process in evaluating what's happening is so helpful. /heavy sarcasm

Success:  Because of early intervention in Ohio, the numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths are much lower than in other neighboring populous states where the measures were taken much later. 

Michigan, more than 20,000 cases, Pennsylvania almost 17,000 cases, Ohio, 5,000 cases.

Because of that, Ohio hospitals have had more time to get equipment, to increase capacity, and to protect healthcare workers on the front lines, treatments are having some success, and the vaccine is closer to coming into being.

But of course, to you that isn't success, because you want the virus to run its course immediately, let people die from it, healthcare workers and treatments be damned.

We'll never find common ground here, because I find your callousness inexcusable, and you find my desire to save lives 'bullcrap.'

I want to remain friends with you because in most areas we are in agreement.  On this issue, with my lifetime of exposure to the medical profession, medical professionals and a caring hospital staff and administration, and my hearing what they are saying (to a person) on this pandemic, I will never agree with the "let them die" attitude you have.

So I will probably put you back on Ignore so I don't lose any more respect for you.
Hmmm. Apparently Democrat strongholds are hit hardest.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2020, 04:38:18 pm
Yes, in fact, I do!  Listen to your own Dr. Fauci closely:

Our friend @massadvj lays it all out for you here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397526.msg2186408.html#msg2186408) @Right_in_Virginia 

Be all that as it may, we actually have a petri dish that will help us understand the value or non-value of strong mitigation.  It's called "Sweden".

Infections in Sweden have risen exponentially since February and their death rates surpass their neighboring countries by astonishing rates.  The PM now cautions that death rates will be measured in the thousands and has presented Parliament with a plan to implement the type of lockdown other countries have been under for weeks.  Lots of information is found by entering "Coronavirus in Sweden" as a Google search. 

Sweden is worth watching if one is open to the possibility that early and strong mitigation works. 

Right here in the US ... I'd point you to California's infection and death curve after an earlier "lockdown" and compare it with New York's.  Which state is better off?

As a final observation, the "your own Dr. Fauci" is unfounded and a bit too snarky.  I hope you can rein in this kneejerk reaction.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 04:42:27 pm
This is real bad, what does CHINA do with the money they spend to make other nations subservient?  And thinking about it, China has a billion plus people, so yes, they need to feed them as we feed our people.

So, she must be of Hindu origin, nice story.

Boy! More mean-spiritedness out of WaPo, just posting the headline, speaking of VN:
Quote
Quote

    This pandemic is Trump’s Vietnam. He has earned his bone spurs.
    By  Dana Milbank
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/07/this-pandemic-is-trumps-vietnam-he-has-earned-his-bone-spurs/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/07/this-pandemic-is-trumps-vietnam-he-has-earned-his-bone-spurs/)

Well, if it is his Vietnam, let's remember who lost that war. It wasn't the troops on the ground, it was the Media and the Democrats.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 04:45:47 pm
Thanks very much @musiclady. Very weird & difficult times.
Prayers up for all y'all.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 05:10:21 pm
Thanks very much @musiclady. Very weird & difficult times.

Yes, they are.  I'm so sorry you have to go through this right now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 05:13:28 pm
Hmmm. Apparently Democrat strongholds are hit hardest.

Yep.   Their leadership doesn't exist.  Their common sense doesn't exist.  Their concern for life doesn't exist.

IOW, they are all around stupid.

For the first few weeks of this, they spent all their time blaming Trump and doing nothing.  The people of their states are the losers for it.

(And I didn't even mention New York in my list of messed up states).
Title: World Health Organization is 'Beijing's handmaid' in coronavirus pandemic
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 05:52:27 pm
Excerpts, nice rundown of what a few Republicans have said on this issue including John Bolton.:

Quote
World Health Organization is 'Beijing's handmaid' in coronavirus pandemic
'Should have known it was dealing with a bad-faith actor'
 By WND Staff
Published April 7, 2020

...

Sen. Marthy McSally, R-Ariz., has called for the resignation of WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus for his defense of China's actions and his close ties to the communist regime.

...

Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., wants a Senate Homeland Security Committee investigation into WHO's actions.

Fox News reported former national security adviser John Bolton also has been critical of the WHO.

He called the Tedros an "accomplice to China's massive coverup" and said he should resign.

Read more at: https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/world-health-organization-beijings-handmaid-coronavirus-pandemic/ (https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/world-health-organization-beijings-handmaid-coronavirus-pandemic/)
Title: Re: Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulu
Post by: LadyLiberty on April 09, 2020, 05:53:02 pm
Good for them!  Every non-Chinese company with manufacturing there should be pulling out.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on April 09, 2020, 05:53:04 pm
Maybe she means the researchers in North Carolina from back in 2015 who were splicing Bat coronavirus into mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbones and inventing new more lethal human infecting forms resistant to vaccines or drugs, alongside two Chinese researchers from Wuhan. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Maybe they "knew something", too.
How come Geologists and Reservoir Engineers, drill so many dry holes?

Could it be they are doing the best they can with the data they have?

Of course I'm referring to the real world, not the internet fantasy forum of anonymous brilliant Keyboard Wizards, Warriors, and Cowboys.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 09, 2020, 05:54:32 pm
Be all that as it may, we actually have a petri dish that will help us understand the value or non-value of strong mitigation.  It's called "Sweden".

Infections in Sweden have risen exponentially since February and their death rates surpass their neighboring countries by astonishing rates.  The PM now cautions that death rates will be measured in the thousands and has presented Parliament with a plan to implement the type of lockdown other countries have been under for weeks.  Lots of information is found by entering "Coronavirus in Sweden" as a Google search. 

Sweden is worth watching if one is open to the possibility that early and strong mitigation works. 

Right here in the US ... I'd point you to California's infection and death curve after an earlier "lockdown" and compare it with New York's.  Which state is better off?

As a final observation, the "your own Dr. Fauci" is unfounded and a bit too snarky.  I hope you can rein in this kneejerk reaction.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off (http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off)

https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/ (https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/?fbclid=IwAR1pasBclWY-pnAsFR_Vu6jgqmgXMSbBgS3upAA8to2vLUv_G__dMPGrFds)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 09, 2020, 06:17:46 pm
Be all that as it may, we actually have a petri dish that will help us understand the value or non-value of strong mitigation.  It's called "Sweden".

Infections in Sweden have risen exponentially since February and their death rates surpass their neighboring countries by astonishing rates.  The PM now cautions that death rates will be measured in the thousands and has presented Parliament with a plan to implement the type of lockdown other countries have been under for weeks.  Lots of information is found by entering "Coronavirus in Sweden" as a Google search. 

Sweden is worth watching if one is open to the possibility that early and strong mitigation works. 

Right here in the US ... I'd point you to California's infection and death curve after an earlier "lockdown" and compare it with New York's.  Which state is better off?

As a final observation, the "your own Dr. Fauci" is unfounded and a bit too snarky.  I hope you can rein in this kneejerk reaction.
Ever been to NYC?  They are so crammed together that I'm surprised it's not worse.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 09, 2020, 06:19:07 pm
How come Geologists and Reservoir Engineers, drill so many dry holes?

Could it be they are doing the best they can with the data they have?

Of course I'm referring to the real world, not the internet fantasy forum of anonymous brilliant Keyboard Wizards, Warriors, and Cowboys.
It's always the engineers fault.   happy77
Title: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 06:26:17 pm
Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’ as he continues coronavirus recovery
www.thesun.co.uk (http://www.thesun.co.uk)
ON THE MEND
Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’ as he continues coronavirus recovery
9 Apr 2020, 19:22
Updated: 9 Apr 2020, 19:24
BORIS Johnson is now out of intensive care and is in "extremely good spirits".’

More:  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11366626/boris-johnson-is-out-of-intensive-care-and-is-good-spirits-as-he-continues-coronavirus-recovery/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11366626/boris-johnson-is-out-of-intensive-care-and-is-good-spirits-as-he-continues-coronavirus-recovery/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly)
Title: Re: Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulu
Post by: DB on April 09, 2020, 06:27:20 pm
Sounds very reasonable. I think that should be mainly directed towards smaller companies. The larger companies should pay for the move themselves. They lead this trend towards moving production to China in the first place. Others had to follow to remain competitive.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: DB on April 09, 2020, 06:28:45 pm
That's good to hear.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 09, 2020, 06:30:27 pm
Terrific news.  I pray for a full recovery.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: TomSea on April 09, 2020, 06:32:03 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk)

Still being treated in the hospital but out of urgent care.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 06:46:27 pm
Great news!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 07:20:57 pm
Yep.   Their leadership doesn't exist.  Their common sense doesn't exist.  Their concern for life doesn't exist.

IOW, they are all around stupid.

For the first few weeks of this, they spent all their time blaming Trump and doing nothing.  The people of their states are the losers for it.

(And I didn't even mention New York in my list of messed up states).
Since urban populations tend to vote Democrat, I'd also note that high population density, public transportation and crowded elevators, sidewalks, and other public spaces are just a pathogen's dream when it comes to hopping hosts.

The less urban, the more open space, social distancing comes naturally and easily, and the more likely folks are to vote GOP.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 07:23:39 pm
How come Geologists and Reservoir Engineers, drill so many dry holes?

Could it be they are doing the best they can with the data they have?

Of course I'm referring to the real world, not the internet fantasy forum of anonymous brilliant Keyboard Wizards, Warriors, and Cowboys.
Economics. If y'all would just pay $100/bbl, then there would be a lot more productive wells out there.
BTW, I have only been on one dry hole in the past 20 years, and that was a rank wildcat in the Paradox Basin.
Some data is better than other data.
And I still know  a couple of working cowboys, too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 07:45:24 pm
Since urban populations tend to vote Democrat, I'd also note that high population density, public transportation and crowded elevators, sidewalks, and other public spaces are just a pathogen's dream when it comes to hopping hosts.

The less urban, the more open space, social distancing comes naturally and easily, and the more likely folks are to vote GOP.

Agree with every point.

Though we are a relatively densely populated state, Ohio has a mix of urban and rural populations.  The big cities vote Dem but the rest of the state (including where I live) is quite conservative.

I’ve spent time in your wide open spaces, and understand your lower numbers just because of the sparsely settled areas across a vast expanse.

Here it’s more complex, but I will always believe (based on the facts) that the strong conservative leadership we have in the state and the mitigation that took place early in the game is the reason our numbers are not only lower than the larger states around, but that we have already leveled off in terms of the expected surge.

We have been given factual, honest information about what was going on, and thankfully the vast majority of us have willingly complied, and I think that’s why our state is going to come out of this sooner and more successfully than Michigan and PA where partisan liberalism set them way back.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 07:47:32 pm
Agree with every point.

Though we are a relatively densely populated state, Ohio has a mix of urban and rural populations.  The big cities vote Dem but the rest of the state (including where I live) is quite conservative.

I’ve spent time in your wide open spaces, and understand your lower numbers just because of the sparsely settled areas across a vast expanse.

Here it’s more complex, but I will always believe (based on the facts) that the strong conservative leadership we have in the state and the mitigation that took place early in the game is the reason our numbers are not only lower than the larger states around, but that we have already leveled off in terms of the expected surge.

We have been given factual, honest information about what was going on, and thankfully the vast majority of us have willingly complied, and I think that’s why our state is going to come out of this sooner and more successfully than Michigan and PA where partisan liberalism set them way back.
:beer:
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: Idiot on April 09, 2020, 08:06:57 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk)

Still being treated in the hospital but out of urgent care.
Bet he got the malaria drug cocktail.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 08:12:53 pm
Bet he got the malaria drug cocktail.
It will be interesting to see what treatment he got.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: truth_seeker on April 09, 2020, 08:38:55 pm
It will be interesting to see what treatment he got.
If he got Trump pills it will be huge.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2020, 08:55:21 pm
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off (http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off)

https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/ (https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/?fbclid=IwAR1pasBclWY-pnAsFR_Vu6jgqmgXMSbBgS3upAA8to2vLUv_G__dMPGrFds)

This also serves nicely as a sunhat ...

(https://www.pngkey.com/png/detail/180-1804365_tinfoil-hat-png-tinfoil-hat-transparent-background.png)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 09, 2020, 09:00:40 pm
Ever been to NYC?  They are so crammed together that I'm surprised it's not worse.

Yes, I know.  My only point is the curve in NYC didn't begin to flatten until Cuomo and DeBlasio could decide on a lockdown, so imagine if they had done so earlier instead of inviting New Yorkers to ride the subway, go to restaurants, plays, parades and not change how they live their lives one iota.   :shrug:

@mrpotatohead
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 09, 2020, 09:01:48 pm
This also serves nicely as a sunhat ...

(https://www.pngkey.com/png/detail/180-1804365_tinfoil-hat-png-tinfoil-hat-transparent-background.png)

I'm sure it does but that is irrelevant to the question you asked AND the links I posted in response.
Title: Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli Ran Coronavirus Research in Wuhan After US Project Was Shut Down by DHS i
Post by: Elderberry on April 09, 2020, 09:03:59 pm
Gateway Pundit by Jim Hoft 4/9/2020

HUGE EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli Ran Coronavirus Research in Wuhan After US Project Was Shut Down by DHS in 2014 for Being Too Risky -- PRIOR LEAK KILLED RESEARCHER

Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli was part of a team that working on a coronavirus project jointly with US doctors in 2014 before it was shut down by the DHS for being too risky. 

After the US research project was shut down, Dr. Shi continued her coronavirus research in Wuhan, China.

Doctor Shi Zhengli from China was part of a team, including Doctor Ralph S. Baric, that published an article (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985) in a 2015 edition of Nature Medicine.

In the article they discussed bat coronaviruses that showed potential for human emergence.  The article was published in 2015.

This report was published shortly after their project was defunded by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

The HHS in 2014 sent a letter to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where they announced they were going to defund the program.

More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-exclusive-chinese-doctor-shi-zhengli-ran-coronavirus-research-wuhan-us-project-shut-dhs-2014-risky-prior-leak-killed-researcher/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-exclusive-chinese-doctor-shi-zhengli-ran-coronavirus-research-wuhan-us-project-shut-dhs-2014-risky-prior-leak-killed-researcher/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 09, 2020, 09:27:11 pm
Well, if it is his Vietnam, let's remember who lost that war. It wasn't the troops on the ground, it was the Media and the Democrats.

@Smokin Joe

The same ones that started our involvement in it,and then refused to let our troops fight to win.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on April 09, 2020, 09:41:09 pm
Economics. If y'all would just pay $100/bbl, then there would be a lot more productive wells out there.
BTW, I have only been on one dry hole in the past 20 years, and that was a rank wildcat in the Paradox Basin.
Some data is better than other data.
And I still know  a couple of working cowboys, too.

I was referring to "Keyboard Cowboys."
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: Fishrrman on April 09, 2020, 09:58:41 pm
truth seeker mused:
"If he got Trump pills it will be huge."

Do you think anyone in the media is going to be so inquisitive as to ask about his treatment...?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LadyLiberty on April 09, 2020, 10:34:44 pm
Be all that as it may, we actually have a petri dish that will help us understand the value or non-value of strong mitigation.  It's called "Sweden".

Infections in Sweden have risen exponentially since February and their death rates surpass their neighboring countries by astonishing rates.  The PM now cautions that death rates will be measured in the thousands and has presented Parliament with a plan to implement the type of lockdown other countries have been under for weeks.  Lots of information is found by entering "Coronavirus in Sweden" as a Google search. 

Sweden is worth watching if one is open to the possibility that early and strong mitigation works. 

Right here in the US ... I'd point you to California's infection and death curve after an earlier "lockdown" and compare it with New York's.  Which state is better off?

As a final observation, the "your own Dr. Fauci" is unfounded and a bit too snarky.  I hope you can rein in this kneejerk reaction.

It will be interesting to see how things play out in Sweden.  Their population is about 40% of Texas' population, yet their death prediction is 4182 to Texas' 2042.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: truth_seeker on April 09, 2020, 10:36:09 pm
truth seeker mused:
"If he got Trump pills it will be huge."

Do you think anyone in the media is going to be so inquisitive as to ask about his treatment...?

Hopefully we may learn one day in the future.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: DB on April 09, 2020, 11:00:42 pm
truth seeker mused:
"If he got Trump pills it will be huge."

Do you think anyone in the media is going to be so inquisitive as to ask about his treatment...?

I doubt the British press would be shy about asking that question.
Title: Re: Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli Ran Coronavirus Research in Wuhan After US Project Was Shut Down by D
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 09, 2020, 11:31:07 pm
Good that this is getting more scrutiny!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 09, 2020, 11:38:47 pm
It will be interesting to see how things play out in Sweden.  Their population is about 40% of Texas' population, yet their death prediction is 4182 to Texas' 2042.

They didn’t put restrictions on social contact, and it looks like they’re paying for it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 09, 2020, 11:41:59 pm
Rural social distancing.

Around here you can pull into a completely empty campground, say with 30 spots. Set up camp. A rural person will drive up. Look things over and leave. Because that campground is full. An urban person will park right next to you...

Personal experience.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 10, 2020, 01:20:46 am
Maybe she means the researchers in North Carolina from back in 2015 who were splicing Bat coronavirus into mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbones and inventing new more lethal human infecting forms resistant to vaccines or drugs, alongside two Chinese researchers from Wuhan. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Maybe they "knew something", too.

That's just playing with fire in a way that should never be done at all.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 10, 2020, 01:29:35 am

I repeat...... the people I choose to listen to about this are actually people who are informed first hand about things that you clearly don’t want to know.

Oh I know about them.  But I choose to do my own research and not reply on the nightly dog and pony show of fear put on by two technocrats in the WH press room.  All of the predictions the two Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation members and donating Hillary supporters have made so far have been wrong.

The hospitals aren't overflowing with virus patients.  Even in New York the dire predictions aren't adding up.  No where near what everyone was predicting.

Wonder why that is?  Wonder what financial reasons there would be for those "people who know" on the "front lines" to to talk the way they do?


Quote
It makes for more intelligent dialogue..... none of which I’ve experienced with you about this subject.... at least to this point.

There you go projecting again.

The only way to get people to do things they normally wouldn't do is to make them believe they are experiencing something never before experienced in history.

That's what's happening now.
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: truth_seeker on April 10, 2020, 01:36:17 am
I doubt the British press would be shy about asking that question.
In general the British press is biased, like ours.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 10, 2020, 02:04:10 am
Beers from Castillo del Cyber all around!

 :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

I'll drink to that!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 10, 2020, 02:04:43 am

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
Turns out the Icelandic #COVID data shows almost the exact fatality rate of the new German data: about 1 in 300 - 6 deaths in 1648 positive tests). Somewhat worse than the flu, though other data suggests the flu is much MORE dangerous to the young.

https://www.covid.is/data (https://www.covid.is/data)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 02:15:11 am
They didn’t put restrictions on social contact, and it looks like they’re paying for it.

We did place restrictions, and it looks like we're paying for it.

Just landed in what was the busiest airport in the world three months ago.  Now it looks like a scene out of Atlas Shrugged.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 02:18:20 am
We did place restrictions, and it looks like we're paying for it.

Just landed in what was the busiest airport in the world three months ago.  Now it looks like a scene out of Atlas Shrugged.

That’s temporary.

Death is permanent.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 10, 2020, 02:23:30 am
We did place restrictions, and it looks like we're paying for it.

Just landed in what was the busiest airport in the world three months ago.  Now it looks like a scene out of Atlas Shrugged.

Mission accomplished.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 02:26:39 am
Death is also inevitable.  And it is also still happening.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 02:38:09 am
Death is also inevitable.  And it is also still happening.

The economy will recover.   This crisis has brought so much innovation and creativity from the business community that once we round this corner (which will be soon), with good leadership, we will recover.

I am absolutely certain of that.

I'm sorry to see so much pessimism among some (fortunately just a few) of the conservatives on this board.

I wonder how all of you would have reacted to the Great Depression and all the sacrifices and rationing during World War II.  I wonder if you would have given up so quickly to real hardship and sacrifice when there is so much complaining about the tiny sacrifices we are making now

I wonder.......
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 10, 2020, 03:30:35 am
The only way to get people to do things they normally wouldn't do is to make them believe they are experiencing something never before experienced in history.

That's what's happening now.

Right... One thing that is very common in a con is to start em down the garden path with fear - using an astronomical number   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’
Post by: Gefn on April 10, 2020, 10:47:42 am
This is good news. I hope he’ll be back on his feet soon.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 10, 2020, 11:18:08 am
The economy will recover.   This crisis has brought so much innovation and creativity from the business community that once we round this corner (which will be soon), with good leadership, we will recover.

I am absolutely certain of that.

I'm sorry to see so much pessimism among some (fortunately just a few) of the conservatives on this board.

I wonder how all of you would have reacted to the Great Depression and all the sacrifices and rationing during World War II.  I wonder if you would have given up so quickly to real hardship and sacrifice when there is so much complaining about the tiny sacrifices we are making now

I wonder.......
It has brought no innovation, no creativity. It has only brought deliberate SUPPRESSION. It has turned Hollywood into a bunch of amateurs blogging from their cell phones. Athletics have been shut down. You can't even go to church, and those in the media even blame church for spreading this disease. Government picks and chooses what kind of businesses are allowed to operate. You can't get a haircut. You can't even go to a dentist. Schools are closed. Elections are suspended. Friends can't see each other. A police state roams the streets vowing to fine anyone who dares spend time with more than one other person.

All under the premise that this will slow the spread of the disease. Yet new cases continue to climb, a month after social distancing cut 80% of human contact in this country, a number that was said to be enough to stop this. THIS. IS. NOT. WORKING.

In war and depression we were allowed to see our loved ones in person! We were allowed to work together! At least we had each other, and the government has torn that from us this time! That's what makes this so heinous. They are trampling on free religion, right to assemble, the legislative process, and so much more. The government response to this virus is tearing apart the social fabric of this country and the world.

That's why this must stop at the soonest possible time. We are trading a physical health crisis for a mental health crisis, and it hasn't even stopped the physical crisis. The Chinese Communists are laughing as we now live like them, and we all know that the government is not going to give up the power it has seized for itself without a fight.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 10, 2020, 11:24:39 am
To clarify: I do not object to these types of measures IF they are short-term, i.e., less than a month. The social distancing measures used during the Spanish flu lasted about three weeks at a time. But they have to work.

Two weeks after the lockdowns started, new cases should have begun dropping dramatically. Instead, they're flat.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 02:15:49 pm
It has brought no innovation, no creativity. It has only brought deliberate SUPPRESSION. It has turned Hollywood into a bunch of amateurs blogging from their cell phones. Athletics have been shut down. You can't even go to church, and those in the media even blame church for spreading this disease. Government picks and chooses what kind of businesses are allowed to operate. You can't get a haircut. You can't even go to a dentist. Schools are closed. Elections are suspended. Friends can't see each other. A police state roams the streets vowing to fine anyone who dares spend time with more than one other person.

All under the premise that this will slow the spread of the disease. Yet new cases continue to climb, a month after social distancing cut 80% of human contact in this country, a number that was said to be enough to stop this. THIS. IS. NOT. WORKING.

In war and depression we were allowed to see our loved ones in person! We were allowed to work together! At least we had each other, and the government has torn that from us this time! That's what makes this so heinous. They are trampling on free religion, right to assemble, the legislative process, and so much more. The government response to this virus is tearing apart the social fabric of this country and the world.

That's why this must stop at the soonest possible time. We are trading a physical health crisis for a mental health crisis, and it hasn't even stopped the physical crisis. The Chinese Communists are laughing as we now live like them, and we all know that the government is not going to give up the power it has seized for itself without a fight.

I agree that we should stop this as soon as possible, but as for the rest of the pessimism, I cannot concur....

This is a difficult situation, and I can see that my optimism is not accepted, and it seems that, since I am in Ohio, I am seeing things differently, and more positively than most here are.  I will only clarify a few points, and then let this go....

- Here in Ohio, there ARE innovations and has been great creativity in our small businesses, research firms and manufacturers to solve this problem as quickly as possible.  Every day in our press briefings there is good news about people coming up with solutions, and how we can move forward out of this mess.  I see examples every single day.

- Athletics wasn't shut down.  It shut itself down.  Churches here weren't shut down.  The vast majority decided to love their neighbors and stop having larger group gatherings, but have very active online ministries, continued food ministries, continued counseling ministries, continued showing the love of Christ to the rest of the world.  Here in Ohio (not bragging, so no accusations, please), churches aren't under the order to cease meeting.  It's just that the vast majority of church leadership has made the wise decision not to meet so that the members of the congregation weren't put at great risk.

- The flat line IS the success.  If you just use basic math and the intense contagiousness of the disease carried by humans and spread by human contact, you can see that cases would be much worse if we continued to gather in groups as usual.  (The worst cluster outbreaks have been in places where people are together in larger groups.... nursing homes, church gatherings, prisons.....).

- Though we are kept from our greater families, there are many families who are spending more time together than they have before.  Families are eating together, playing in the yard together, worshiping together (albeit sometimes around the computer), and learning together.  This is a GOOD thing.  Because busy schedules have been curtailed, many people are spending more time in meaningful relationships than previously.  In addition, with technology and time on our hands, many families who are always apart are actually spending more time together.  As an example, I have had more quality time on Skype, Facetime and on the phone with all four of my kids who are scattered all over the country (and the world) than I have before.

But again, my seeing the best in this situation is obviously bothering some of you, so I will try to curtail my (public) optimism that the economy will recover and that we will come out of this a stronger nation than before, and keep my good feelings to myself.

Yes, this needs to end soon, and because we have been kind and loving and wise, it WILL end soon.  And because American ingenuity still exists, we WILL recover economically.  Families will be stronger.  What is really important will be more obvious.  The Church will be stronger, because so many have focused on Christ and devotion during these days, and not on themselves.

But, I have decided to take my optimistic ball and go home, because people here want to see the worst.  They want to be mad at people and the short term challenges, and not the virus, which is the real enemy.  God IS in control.  Use this time for the best.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92693520_10157298597557749_9001917995450105856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=OBBQH7QiW1YAX9G4vJy&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=efe9a1a08a8331e51bea19f56c37d6df&oe=5EB5FEBC)

Title: Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus ALREADY with 15% of people carrying antibodi
Post by: Elderberry on April 10, 2020, 02:18:15 pm
Daily Mail by  Danyal Hussain 4/9/2020

Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus ALREADY with 15% of people carrying antibodies say researchers studying city dubbed 'German Wuhan'

•   Up to 15 per cent of people in hard-hit German town may already have immunity

•   Researchers discovered that Gangelt could be closer to immunity than thought

•   This means Europe as a whole could be closer to herd immunity than expected

Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus already, with far more people infected than previously thought, according to a study in Germany.

Scientists studying Gangelt, the town at the centre of Germany's first big outbreak dubbed the 'German Wuhan', discovered that as many as 15 per cent of people may have already been infected with the virus and acquired immunity.

They said yesterday that they had found antibodies to the virus in people who had shown no symptoms of coronavirus, boosting hopes that the spread is slowing.

If 15 per cent of people do have antibodies, then Germany's actual death rate could be as low as 0.37 per cent.

More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8206831/Europe-close-herd-immunity-coronavirus-ALREADY.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8206831/Europe-close-herd-immunity-coronavirus-ALREADY.html)
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Victoria33 on April 10, 2020, 02:19:13 pm
Prayers for the PM and his partner.
It must be terrifying to be pregnant now.
@Gefn

A few days ago, I saw on line somewhere, a woman due to have birth at that time, died from the virus and doctors took the baby out of her and it lived.  There are so many terrible things happening to people now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 10, 2020, 02:34:41 pm
I should clarify here: IF we ever lift these restrictions and go back to normal, I DO believe that we will economically rebound, simply because so much demand has been deferred. That, I'm not worried about.

The problem is that I don't believe we are going to lift these restrictions in time. The R0 of this virus was supposed to be 2.6. That means the amount of reduction of human contact needed to flatten the curve was a little over 60%. We ended up hitting over 80%. And yet... figure: how long is it between infection, to positive test? Well, the average incubation is about 5 to 6 days. Then you report, you get the test, the test comes back (and we're at the point where once you submit the test, you can get the result back the next day). So, about two weeks is a safe estimate, right? So the first social distancing measures were way back four weeks ago, March 11. That's when the sports (where tens of thousands gather) were canceled. A week later, human contact had dropped to 20% of its previous levels. So, 20% of 2.6 is... 0.54. Somewhere in the last week of March, we should have seen a precipitous drop in new cases, by about half. Yet we didn't see that.

If this were true, that means the R0 would have had to be somewhere in the 5's, at which point there is no amount of social distancing that can stop this virus. We'll keep going on forever like this unless we physically fight for our rights back from these tyrants.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 10, 2020, 02:38:19 pm
To clarify: I do not object to these types of measures IF they are short-term, i.e., less than a month. The social distancing measures used during the Spanish flu lasted about three weeks at a time. But they have to work.

Two weeks after the lockdowns started, new cases should have begun dropping dramatically. Instead, they're flat.

Most disconcerning, is that a week ago, we were told that maybe 2M would die, now it is 60,000.  From my environmental and safety profession, I had to deal and use all kind of different models.  I guarantee that I never saw that level of disparity in their use.  I can just guess what look my plant manager would have given me if I would have told him that 10,000 would die from dispersion modeling, and then come back 10 minutes later and say none.  Credibility is a helluva competency  to waste.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 10, 2020, 02:49:00 pm
Most disconcerning, is that a week ago, we were told that maybe 2M would die, now it is 60,000.  From my environmental and safety profession, I had to deal and use all kind of different models.  I guarantee that I never saw that level of disparity in their use.  I can just guess what look my plant manager would have given me if I would have told him that 10,000 would die from dispersion modeling, and then come back 10 minutes later and say none.  Credibility is a helluva competency  to waste.
Oh, it hasn't been wasted. In a year where upstream CAPEX in this area has been cut by over 50%, where oilfield jobs are evaporating like alcohol on a hot plate, where tariffs have reduced ag trade, where this COVID-19 shutdown has taken care of strangling most of the rest, where the hospitality industry is dead, My glorious local tax man has decided my home is worth 47% more than last year, even with ZERO improvements, and they won't be holding the abatement hearings in person, but by phone, full steam(roller) ahead.

A REMINDER THAT THE ONLY BUSINESS GOING FULL TILT IS THE GOVERNMENT, WHETHER YOU GET TO SAY JACK OR NOT.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 02:51:20 pm
Oh, it hasn't been wasted. In a year where upstream CAPEX in this area has been cut by over 50%, where oilfield jobs are evaporating like alcohol on a hot plate, where tariffs have reduced ag trade, where this COVID-19 shutdown has taken care of strangling most of the rest, where the hospitality industry is dead, My glorious local tax man has decided my home is worth 47% more than last year, even with ZERO improvements, and they won't be holding the abatement hearings in person, but by phone, full steam(roller) ahead.

A REMINDER THAT THE ONLY BUSINESS GOING FULL TILT IS THE GOVERNMENT, WHETHER YOU GET TO SAY JACK OR NOT.

Sad! Truly sad!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 02:53:04 pm
Most disconcerning, is that a week ago, we were told that maybe 2M would die, now it is 60,000.   

Nope.  2M infected 100k-200k dead.

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Credibility is a helluva competency  to waste.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Gefn on April 10, 2020, 04:29:00 pm
@Gefn

A few days ago, I saw on line somewhere, a woman due to have birth at that time, died from the virus and doctors took the baby out of her and it lived.  There are so many terrible things happening to people now.

@Victoria33 I’m really worried about you and other people who are seniors. It is a strange time indeed
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 10, 2020, 04:43:17 pm
Nope.  2M infected 100k-200k dead.

@Once-Ler

Nope....remember these reports from a few weeks ago?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 04:47:05 pm
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Venezuela: One of the Countries with Fewer Tests in the Hemisphere | Caracas Chronicles
Naky Soto

...

There are 1,346,299 coronavirus cases and over 74,600 deaths in the world. Europe has over half of the cases (655,000), followed by (352,000) and Asia Pacific (112,000), but only in America the curve keeps rising.

Read more at:  https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/04/07/venezuela-one-of-the-countries-with-fewer-tests-in-the-hemisphere/ (https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/04/07/venezuela-one-of-the-countries-with-fewer-tests-in-the-hemisphere/)

India:
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'We will die': Andhra doc who alleged shortage of masks, PPE in viral video suspended


(https://www.thenewsminute.com/sites/default/files/styles/news_detail/public/Narsipatnam_area_hospital-doc.jpg?itok=IDX2GVCA)

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/we-will-die-andhra-doc-who-alleged-shortage-masks-ppe-viral-video-suspended-122185 (https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/we-will-die-andhra-doc-who-alleged-shortage-masks-ppe-viral-video-suspended-122185)

Singapore, model country, cases now in an upswing:

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-10/singapore-reports-198-new-coronavirus-infections-and-seventh-death (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-04-10/singapore-reports-198-new-coronavirus-infections-and-seventh-death)

Relatively low.


FAIL TO PREPARE, PREPARE TO FAIL!

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 05:07:32 pm
@Once-Ler

Nope....remember these reports from a few weeks ago?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html)

 :thumbsup: Revision of history is not allowed here.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 10, 2020, 05:07:48 pm
They didn’t put restrictions on social contact, and it looks like they’re paying for it.

@musiclady

Well,what did you expect from "progressive socialists"?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on April 10, 2020, 05:09:01 pm
@Once-Ler

Nope....remember these reports from a few weeks ago?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html)

Doh!
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 05:13:42 pm
PM Johnson up and walking in COVID-19 recovery as UK deaths near 9,000
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain/pm-johnson-up-and-walking-in-covid-19-recovery-as-uk-deaths-near-9000-idUSKCN21S0S1 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain/pm-johnson-up-and-walking-in-covid-19-recovery-as-uk-deaths-near-9000-idUSKCN21S0S1)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 10, 2020, 05:13:43 pm
It has brought no innovation, no creativity. It has only brought deliberate SUPPRESSION.

@jmyrlefuller

With more to come.

Isn't the unofficial slogan of the Dim Party to "Not let any disaster go unexploited"?

No doubt there will soon be an official finding that "blacks and browns suffered the most,and it was all part of the Trump and RNC plan."
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 05:18:40 pm
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Lukashenka Disparages COVID-19 Victims As Belarus Curve Steepens

Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka has made disparaging comments about victims of the coronavirus, dismissing his country's caseload as "miniscule" and insisting it is "no catastrophe." Yet throughout April, the number of officially confirmed cases has roughly doubled every three days.

https://www.rferl.org/a/lukashenka-disparages-covid-19-victims-as-belarus-curve-steepens-/30546329.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/lukashenka-disparages-covid-19-victims-as-belarus-curve-steepens-/30546329.html)

Communist and ex-Communist states should know, we don't get fooled again by those minimizing this tragedy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 05:29:36 pm
Roseland Hospital phlebotomist: 30% of those tested have coronavirus antibody[/b] (https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody[b)

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A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital. Drive-thru testing is from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. each day. However, the hospital has a limited number of tests they can give per day

Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.


This is HUGE news if true!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 05:31:29 pm
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Taiwan’s Success Is the Bane of Beijing’s Global Coronavirus Propaganda
Jo Kim
China Power | Diplomacy | East Asia

Much to Beijing’s chagrin, praise of Taiwan’s success has provided the democracy with much-needed global exposure.

Over the last few weeks, the world has observed a grand PR campaign from Beijing, an attempt to shift the global narrative in China’s favor by touting its containment of COVID-19 as the successful outcome of its political model. The outgoing message is that China’s anti-coronavirus campaign “demonstrated the notable advantages of the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the system of socialism with Chinese characteristics,” and that Singapore, Japan, and South Korea “based their responses on the experience and lessons drawn from China’s successful battle with the virus.” The Global Times has quoted Chinese analysts stating that China’s model is the “only proven successful model so far that could be replicated to halt the virus once and for all.”

The other core message within China’s narrative is that “China has acted as a responsible big country” in playing a leadership role to combat the virus based on Xi Jinping’s concept of a “Community of Shared Future for Mankind.” China has backed its narrative by launching a “mask diplomacy” campaign, providing medical masks and ventilators as well as dispatching medical personnel to countries seeking aid.

Read more at:   https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/taiwans-success-is-the-bane-of-beijings-global-coronavirus-propaganda/

It's too bad all countries did not act like Taiwan, smart measures, not Draconian measures.  Of course, we are huge, Taiwan tiny.

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/05/24/fe/f3/national-museum-of-taiwan.jpg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 05:33:01 pm
Roseland Hospital phlebotomist: 30% of those tested have coronavirus antibody[/b] (https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody[b)

They all burden the health system.  It's not a simple question of whether they die or not.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 05:34:39 pm
Most disconcerning, is that a week ago, we were told that maybe 2M would die, now it is 60,000.   

Nope.  2M infected 100k-200k dead.

@Once-Ler

Nope....remember these reports from a few weeks ago?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/17/terrifying-new-research-warns-22-million-could-die-coronavirus-us-without-drastic)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8082327/15-MILLION-people-die-best-case-coronavirus-scenario.html)  March 6th

Oh you mean the ones from before quarantine and self distancing?  The report from a month ago that convinced the President to declare a National Emergency.  Sorry for my confusion.  Got it.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 05:41:31 pm
Nope.  2M infected 100k-200k dead.

Oh you mean the ones from before quarantine and self distancing?  The report from a month ago that convinced the President to declare a National Emergency.  Sorry for my confusion.  Got it.

 :thumbsup:

I'd be careful with using Common Dreams though, they say "progressivism", it's up to all of us to decide what they are. Of course, that doesn't mean all of their info is wrong though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Dreams

For me, I will read both sides.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Neverdul on April 10, 2020, 05:42:21 pm
Roseland Hospital phlebotomist: 30% of those tested have coronavirus antibody[/b] (https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody[b)

This is HUGE news if true!

She’s drawing blood in a drive through testing center in a parking lot? :pondering:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 05:48:48 pm
:thumbsup: Revision of history is not allowed here.
How about reading and logic?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 05:49:52 pm
She’s drawing blood in a drive through testing center in a parking lot? :pondering:

It's possible.  It's not much more invasive than the nasal swab, which many people don't realizes is a swab from the back of the sinus cavity and requires a 6-inch swab to reach.  My Nephew found that out the hard way.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 05:51:11 pm
How about reading and logic?

Did you read the part where social-distancing regulations had no impact on models that had already accounted for it?  You are reaching pretty hard to find a "Trump lied, people died" angle.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 06:01:23 pm
How about reading and logic?
Did you read the part where social-distancing regulations had no impact on models that had already accounted for it? 
I read the part that said "one week" then "a few weeks" then posted a link from a month ago.
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You are reaching pretty hard to find a "Trump lied, people died" angle.
You are reaching pretty hard to put words in my mouth.  Words you quoted that I don't believe and never said.  Since my President declared a National Emergency I have supported his leadership in fighting COVID-19 because I believe him when he says his top priority is saving lives, and I believe he has saved thousands of lives already.

I'm a little hurt frankly @Cyber Liberty
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 06:16:40 pm
I read the part that said "one week" then "a few weeks" then posted a link from a month ago.You are reaching pretty hard to put words in my mouth.  Words you quoted that I don't believe and never said.  Since my President declared a National Emergency I have supported his leadership in fighting COVID-19 because I believe him when he says his top priority is saving lives, and I believe he has saved thousands of lives already.

I'm a little hurt frankly @Cyber Liberty

And every time you refer to Donald Trump as "My President," a little piece of me dies inside.   :shrug:

We manage.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 06:23:03 pm
And every time you refer to Donald Trump as "My President," a little piece of me dies inside.   :shrug:

We manage.

I find some of President Trump's supporters embarrassing too, but not you, Bud.   :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 06:32:08 pm
I find some of President Trump's supporters embarrassing too, but not you, Bud.   :beer:

 :beer: :beer:  (I think... :laugh: )
Title: Coronavirus: Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says ($1 million fine)
Post by: mountaineer on April 10, 2020, 07:02:08 pm
Coronavirus: Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says
By Stewart Bell and Andrew Russell Global News
Posted April 10, 2020 11:01 am
Updated April 10, 2020 1:46 pm
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Canadian police are to begin visiting homes to enforce the government’s COVID-19 quarantine, the RCMP said on Friday, warning that “recklessly” failing to comply could result in a $1-million fine and three years in prison.  ...

But enforcement will focus on “education and encouragement,” it said, adding “RCMP officers will attempt to conduct physical verification with the individual while maintaining physical distancing.”

Police forces across the country have issued hundreds of tickets and even made arrests in some cases after people violated quarantine orders or social-distancing rules.   ...
Full story (https://globalnews.ca/news/6804626/coronavirus-police-verifying-quarantine-order/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus: Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says ($1 million f
Post by: mountaineer on April 10, 2020, 07:53:13 pm
RCMP to enforce Quarantine Act, while Trudeau says no plan to invoke Emergencies Act
Officers could visit homes to ensure anyone entering Canada is self-isolating for 14 days, and police can now make arrests, but only as a last resort
The Canadian Press   
Holly McKenzie-Sutter
April 10, 2020
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The RCMP announced new powers aimed at enforcing the Quarantine Act, while Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hinted Friday that rules could be loosened this summer if Canadians act now to contain the spread of COVID-19.

The police force says it has been asked to assist in enforcing the act in the midst of the pandemic. Officers could visit homes to ensure anyone entering Canada is self-isolating for 14 days, and police can now make arrests, rather than issue a court appearance notice or summons.

The RCMP says arrests under the act, violations of which could include a fine of up to $750,000 and imprisonment for six months, will be a last resort.  ...
National Post (https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-quarantine-act-emergencies-act)



Title: Virus Outbreak: Chinese issue fake apology for Taiwan
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 07:57:33 pm
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Sat, Apr 11, 2020 page1

    Virus Outbreak: Chinese issue fake apology for Taiwan
    MISDIRECTION: Chinese social media users posing as Taiwanese have taken responsibility for racist attacks that the WHO’s head claimed originated in Taiwan
        By Jason Pan / Staff reporter

    Chinese posing as Taiwanese have issued online apologies to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus for “personal attacks” and “racist abuse,” Taiwanese authorities said yesterday.

    Ministry of Justice Investigation Bureau officials presented the findings at a media briefing to rebut accusations by Tedros, who on Wednesday accused Taiwan of engaging in personal attacks against him.

    Tedros said that he over the past three months received death threats and racist abuse, and claimed that it originated from Taiwan.

Read more at:  https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/04/11/2003734395 (https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/04/11/2003734395)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 07:58:44 pm
I wonder how all of you would have reacted to the Great Depression and all the sacrifices and rationing during World War II.  I wonder if you would have given up so quickly to real hardship and sacrifice when there is so much complaining about the tiny sacrifices we are making now

I wonder.......

The our reaction to the current crisis is the exact opposite of our reaction to WWII.
Title: Re: Virus Outbreak: Chinese issue fake apology for Taiwan
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 08:01:01 pm
Here is more from  RADIO FREE ASIA  (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/apologies-04102020105650.html)

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Taiwan Finds Fake Twitter Accounts Tweeting Apologies From 'Taiwanese' to WHO Chief
2020-04-10
(https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/apologies-04102020105650.html/china-infowar-041020.jpg/image)
Director Zhang Youren of Taiwan's Bureau of Investigation describes Chinese information warfare efforts against Taiwan, April 10, 2020.
RFA


Investigators in Taiwan say they have found a number of fake Twitter accounts linked to China posting fake apologies to World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who has accused the democratic island of involvement in a series of personal and racist attacks against him.

Investigators from the ministry of justice in Taiwan said they had uncovered an effort by Chinese netizens to exploit the controversy by falsely identifying themselves as Taiwanese and issuing apologies to Tedros online, the island's Central News Agency reported.

The posts appeared on fake accounts made to imitate the account of Radio Free Asia, and included apology templates posted by an account calling itself "Radio Free Xuzhou."

Read more at:  https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/apologies-04102020105650.html (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/apologies-04102020105650.html)

Okay, I'm not sure if I got the pretenses right in post #1 but everyone can read for themselves, I have heard of them imitating RFA, Radio Free Asia previously.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 08:03:55 pm
The our reaction to the current crisis is the exact opposite of our reaction to WWII.

Back then we had real Japanese aircraft and carriers raining very real bombs on our sailors.  There was no doubt what we were up against.  Today, we're under attack by a virus, with models and potentially fudged data the only visible evidence.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says ($1 million f
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 08:10:15 pm
This will work as well as the mandated rifle registry did.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 08:17:28 pm
Back then we had real Japanese aircraft and carriers raining very real bombs on our sailors.  There was no doubt what we were up against.  Today, we're under attack by a virus, with models and potentially fudged data the only visible evidence.

But the sacrifices are infinitesimal and the whining ear shattering.

We are a weaker people than we used to be, addicted to comfort and convenience.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 08:24:13 pm
But the sacrifices are infinitesimal and the whining ear shattering.

We are a weaker people than we used to be, addicted to comfort and convenience.

I don't think there's a lot of "whining," but there is a lot of caution being displayed about the precedents being set.  Others may disagree about what "infinitesimal " means.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 08:34:31 pm
The our reaction to the current crisis is the exact opposite of our reaction to WWII.

I see parallels @Hoodat  .  There are Americans all over the nation sewing PPE for our brave men and women on the front lines, and businesses who are donating materials in this war.  The big difference I see is a hostile media that is doing a poor job educating our people.  Fortunately we a have a President and a task force that spends 2 hours a day educating anybody that will listen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Captain_America_Comics-1_%28March_1941_Timely_Comics%29.jpg)

Captain America Comics #1 — cover-dated March 1941 and on sale December 20, 1940, a year before the attack on Pearl Harbor, but a full year into World War II — showed the protagonist punching Nazi leader Adolf Hitler; it sold nearly one million copies.

On the other had we had years to prepare to enter WWII.  Hopefully this will not last as long.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 08:40:01 pm
During WWII, our government asked the people to put their lives on the line.  Millions were sent out of their communities to face dangers in unfamiliar places.  Women abandoned abandoned the safety of their homes to take factory jobs and produce the needs of the nation.  Today, our government is doing the exact opposite.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 08:41:58 pm
I don't think there's a lot of "whining," but there is a lot of caution being displayed about the precedents being set.  Others may disagree about what "infinitesimal " means.

You're right.  The vast majority are not whining because they understand.  But there's a BIG difference between caution, and all the "Sky is falling!!!" going on among some here.  Any intelligent Conservative is wary of what's going on and hoping to come out of these restrictions soon.   But the incessant whining....... dare I say "hysteria??"......  is telling.

Some people in America are actually suffering, but most are just being told to stay home, where they can telework, where they can keep contact with family, where they can go out for walks and enjoy the beauty of God's creation, where they can worship in any church in the country because of online services, where they can read and listen to music, where they are safe and warm and well-fed.

The griping is over the top, and I maintain that most people in this country now would not have survived the Depression OR the sacrifices and rationing in World War II.

Nonetheless, this country will survive because underneath all this flabbiness, we are still Americans, and just maybe we'll be in better shape after all is said and done.

But I said I'd keep my unwelcomed optimism away from TBR, so maybe I'll shut up now.....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 08:54:14 pm
The principal optimists on this board are the ones who have been discounting the dire projections being handed out daily.  The optimists are the ones dismissing the 80,000-dead-by-July predictions.  The optimists are the ones who have continually pointed out predictions on similar pandemics proved to be grossly exaggerated.  The optimists are the ones who have kept the big picture focus instead of pouring out their feelings about the tragedies of individual cases.

It was the optimists who pointed out how antibody tests could be used to create an army of buffers against this.  And it was the optimists who have championed personal responsibility and proactive action, instead of government mandates of delaying the end game.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 09:03:15 pm
The principal optimists on this board are the ones who have been discounting the dire projections being handed out daily.  The optimists are the ones dismissing the 80,000-dead-by-July predictions.  The optimists are the ones who have continually pointed out predictions on similar pandemics proved to be grossly exaggerated.  The optimists are the ones who have kept the big picture focus instead of pouring out their feelings about the tragedies of individual cases.

It was the optimists who pointed out how antibody tests could be used to create an army of buffers against this.  And it was the optimists who have championed personal responsibility and proactive action, instead of government mandates of delaying the end game.

I don't disagree with some of the things you've said here, but how is it, in your view, that an 'optimist' dismisses the pain of thousands of individuals?  I'm not sure that ignoring the suffering of our healthcare workers, doctors, nurses, equates with optimism.

And I'm not sure how criticizing 'delaying the end game,' in order to prevent the kind of overwhelming of hospitals that is happening in Italy and New York and thus saving those same healthcare workers and possibly thousands of lives equates with optimism either.

By delaying the worst of the spread of this disease we have succeeded in giving our hospitals time to get equipment, shore up the shortage of PPE's (caused by the gross neglect of the Obama administration), and as a result kept the numbers down.  There has been more time to develop treatments because of the mitigation of responsible leaders, and we are much closer to a vaccine as well.

Pretending that this isn't what it actually is, isn't optimism.  It's denial.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 09:06:38 pm
During WWII, our government asked the people to put their lives on the line.  Millions were sent out of their communities to face dangers in unfamiliar places.  Women abandoned abandoned the safety of their homes to take factory jobs and produce the needs of the nation.  Today, our government is doing the exact opposite.

Not that you didn't know this, but the self-sacrifice I was referring to had to do with rationing and not having things you needed to keep your household and family going.  There were very real sacrifices for every single American and people were in need because all our resources were going to the war effort.

I was not talking about the troops serving in the War.

But you knew that, didn't you?  **nononono*
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 09:17:36 pm
Not that you didn't know this, but the self-sacrifice I was referring to had to do with rationing and not having things you needed to keep your household and family going.  There were very real sacrifices for every single American and people were in need because all our resources were going to the war effort.

I was not talking about the troops serving in the War.

But you knew that, didn't you?  **nononono*

I'm really not that personally familiar with sacrifices being made by others.  Since I recently retired, I'm not that interested in going out and about anyway.  We have always kept a full pantry and freezer, so we can go for months.   :shrug:

Doesn't keep me from expressing concern about the political ramifications of policies, though, and this is a political discussion forum.  Wild speculation is the coin of the realm.

And don't you dare eschew optimism and "shut up."   :tongue2:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 09:17:56 pm
What is it exactly that you feel I should be sacrificing that I am not?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 09:21:15 pm
I'm really not that personally familiar with sacrifices being made by others.  Since I recently retired, I'm not that interested in going out and about anyway.  We have always kept a full pantry and freezer, so we can go for months.   :shrug:

Doesn't keep me from expressing concern about the political ramifications of policies, though, and this is a political discussion forum.  Wild speculation is the coin of the realm.

And don't you dare eschew optimism and "shut up."
  :tongue2:

 :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 09:22:52 pm
What is it exactly that you feel I should be sacrificing that I am not?

What an odd question.  :shrug:

But I'll answer it anyway.......... not a single thing.  Never stated, nor even remotely implied that anyone should sacrifice more.

Odd, odd question...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 09:42:13 pm
Y'all are talking past each other, it appears to me.  From where I sit (on the employment sidelines), I'm not personally sacrificing anything, other than not being forced to go out and do things when I'd rather just stay at the Castle.  It's the "hermit life!"  Sacrificing is what the working folks down at the Casinos are doing, now that they're all thrown out of work. 

I think what's concerning to us, on varying levels, is how much personal and economic disruption the panic is causing, and it's important because the Rats are prone to stampeding the public when they want to create a crisis to exploit for their gain.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gemmarose on April 10, 2020, 09:43:32 pm
But the sacrifices are infinitesimal and the whining ear shattering.

We are a weaker people than we used to be, addicted to comfort and convenience.

A whole generation of snowflakes that need mommy to buy things for them because they don’t want to work.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 09:51:08 pm
Police raided the ship in protective suits. Australia has apparently been largely spared of this virus and apparently, they are using a lot of strict guidelines still.

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Ship at center of virus outbreak raided by Australian police
Updated 3:38 am EDT, Thursday, April 9, 2020

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Photo: Nathan Patterson, AP
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In this Wednesday, April 8, 2020, photo provided by the New South Wales Police, investigators in protective gear examine material from the Ruby Princess cruise ship at Wollongong, Australia. Police boarded the ... more


BRISBANE, Australia (AP) — Police wearing protective gear boarded a cruise ship to seize evidence and question crew members of the vessel linked to hundreds of coronavirus infections and 15 deaths across Australia.

About 2,700 passengers disembarked from the ship on March 19 in Sydney and it has since become the largest source of coronavirus infections in Australia. More than 600 cases of COVID-19 and 15 deaths are linked the to the ship, the Ruby Princess.

More at:https://www.ctpost.com/news/world/article/Ship-at-center-of-virus-outbreak-raided-by-15188861.php#photo-19275697
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 10, 2020, 09:54:33 pm
But the sacrifices are infinitesimal and the whining ear shattering.

We are a weaker people than we used to be, addicted to comfort and convenience.
Lest you forget, WWII put America back to work.
Corona virus put much of America out of work.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 10:00:25 pm
Lest you forget, WWII put America back to work.
Corona virus put much of America out of work.

Again........... not my point. 

Read earlier posts if you want to find out what it is. 

Hint...... it wasn't that hard to understand.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 10:01:33 pm
A whole generation of snowflakes that need mommy to buy things for them because they don’t want to work.

Exactly.  We are, even some older folks, weaker people than we were a couple of generations ago.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 10:03:26 pm
I get a few different figures but World War II also saw over 400,000 Americans killed. So, we don't want to see that either.  Just selecting certain figures is of limited use. I would say for myself, we are on somewhat of a war footing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 10:04:47 pm
Y'all are talking past each other, it appears to me.  From where I sit (on the employment sidelines), I'm not personally sacrificing anything, other than not being forced to go out and do things when I'd rather just stay at the Castle.  It's the "hermit life!"  Sacrificing is what the working folks down at the Casinos are doing, now that they're all thrown out of work. 

I think what's concerning to us, on varying levels, is how much personal and economic disruption the panic is causing, and it's important because the Rats are prone to stampeding the public when they want to create a crisis to exploit for their gain.

One correction.  It's not the "panic" that's causing the disruption. It's the virus.

The vast majority of Americans aren't panicked. (I actually don't know a single soul who's panicking). They are just being kind..... good, responsible citizens........ considerate of their fellow Americans.

Don't blame the victim for the crime. Blame the perp.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 10:04:59 pm
Y'all are talking past each other, it appears to me.  From where I sit (on the employment sidelines), I'm not personally sacrificing anything, other than not being forced to go out and do things when I'd rather just stay at the Castle.  It's the "hermit life!"  Sacrificing is what the working folks down at the Casinos are doing, now that they're all thrown out of work. 

I think what's concerning to us, on varying levels, is how much personal and economic disruption the panic is causing, and it's important because the Rats are prone to stampeding the public when they want to create a crisis to exploit for their gain.

Sorry @Cyber Liberty but that is just flat wrong!  Every last one of us is suffering whether or not we realize it.  Every last made up out of thin air dollar the FED creates makes people like you and me that much poorer.  The laws of economics are every bit as rigid as the laws of physics. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Sooner or later somebody pays for everything!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on April 10, 2020, 10:07:35 pm
It has brought no innovation, no creativity. It has only brought deliberate SUPPRESSION. It has turned Hollywood into a bunch of amateurs blogging from their cell phones. Athletics have been shut down. You can't even go to church, and those in the media even blame church for spreading this disease. Government picks and chooses what kind of businesses are allowed to operate. You can't get a haircut. You can't even go to a dentist. Schools are closed. Elections are suspended. Friends can't see each other. A police state roams the streets vowing to fine anyone who dares spend time with more than one other person.

All under the premise that this will slow the spread of the disease. Yet new cases continue to climb, a month after social distancing cut 80% of human contact in this country, a number that was said to be enough to stop this. THIS. IS. NOT. WORKING.

In war and depression we were allowed to see our loved ones in person! We were allowed to work together! At least we had each other, and the government has torn that from us this time! That's what makes this so heinous. They are trampling on free religion, right to assemble, the legislative process, and so much more. The government response to this virus is tearing apart the social fabric of this country and the world.

That's why this must stop at the soonest possible time. We are trading a physical health crisis for a mental health crisis, and it hasn't even stopped the physical crisis. The Chinese Communists are laughing as we now live like them, and we all know that the government is not going to give up the power it has seized for itself without a fight.

We’re on the same page here.

We have politicians like Cuomo offering up medical opinions at the top of every news hour, and on the other side, we have medical experts opining on matters of state. But both with the same underlying theme: you’re all gonna die if you don’t do as we say. I got an idea, why don’t both stay in their own lane.

Which brings me back to my central question. Why are we treating this particular viral outbreak differently than nearly all prior outbreaks?

My answer is simple. It’s because Donald Trump is president, this is an election year, and all past attempts by democrats and their media bed-buddies to depose him have failed.

We are living an overreaction fueled by politics.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 10:12:56 pm
Sorry @Cyber Liberty but that is just flat wrong!  Every last one of us is suffering whether or not we realize it.  Every last made up out of thin air dollar the FED creates makes people like you and me that much poorer.  The laws of economics are every bit as rigid as the laws of physics. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Sooner or later somebody pays for everything!

That's been a constant my entire life.  This is just the latest gimmick to strain the system.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 10:13:26 pm
We’re on the same page here.

We have politicians like Cuomo offering up medical opinions at the top of every news hour, and on the other side, we have medical experts opining on matters of state. But both with the same underlying theme: you’re all gonna die if you don’t do as we say. I got an idea, why don’t both stay in their own lane.

Which brings me back to my central question. Why are we treating this particular viral outbreak differently than nearly all prior outbreaks?

My answer is simple. It’s because Donald Trump is president, this is an election year, and all past attempts by democrats and their media bed-buddies to depose him have failed.

We are living an overreaction fueled by politics.

And Israel, France, UK, South Africa, Italy, South Korea, Taiwan, Argentina and many other countries are in concert with this as well. An amazing conspiracy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 10:15:42 pm
We’re on the same page here.

We have politicians like Cuomo offering up medical opinions at the top of every news hour, and on the other side, we have medical experts opining on matters of state. But both with the same underlying theme: you’re all gonna die if you don’t do as we say. I got an idea, why don’t both stay in their own lane.

Which brings me back to my central question. Why are we treating this particular viral outbreak differently than nearly all prior outbreaks?

My answer is simple. It’s because Donald Trump is president, this is an election year, and all past attempts by democrats and their media bed-buddies to depose him have failed.

We are living an overreaction fueled by politics.

 :yowsa: :amen:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 10:16:04 pm
One correction.  It's not the "panic" that's causing the disruption. It's the virus.

The vast majority of Americans aren't panicked. (I actually don't know a single soul who's panicking). They are just being kind..... good, responsible citizens........ considerate of their fellow Americans.

Don't blame the victim for the crime. Blame the perp.

We'll have to agree to disagree (agreeably) about the impact of the panic.  The Corona Virus didn't wipe out the stocks of toilet paper in the stores, the panic did.  Just one example, albeit a pretty small one compared to the millions of people just thrown out of work.

It's not "blaming the victim" to note there is panic adversely impacting the country.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 10:17:02 pm
My answer is simple. It’s because Donald Trump is president, this is an election year, and all past attempts by democrats and their media bed-buddies to depose him have failed.

We are living an overreaction fueled by politics.

One thing is for sure.  If Baraq Obama was still in office, the press would be fawning over how much our government cares, and how fortunate we were to have someone like Obama as our President.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 10, 2020, 10:18:51 pm
Sorry @Cyber Liberty but that is just flat wrong!  Every last one of us is suffering whether or not we realize it.  Every last made up out of thin air dollar the FED creates makes people like you and me that much poorer.  The laws of economics are every bit as rigid as the laws of physics. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Sooner or later somebody pays for everything!

 pointing-up :yowsa:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 10:21:30 pm
We’re on the same page here.

We have politicians like Cuomo offering up medical opinions at the top of every news hour, and on the other side, we have medical experts opining on matters of state. But both with the same underlying theme: you’re all gonna die if you don’t do as we say. I got an idea, why don’t both stay in their own lane.

Which brings me back to my central question. Why are we treating this particular viral outbreak differently than nearly all prior outbreaks?

My answer is simple. It’s because Donald Trump is president, this is an election year, and all past attempts by democrats and their media bed-buddies to depose him have failed.

We are living an overreaction fueled by politics.

 pointing-up This Right Here pointing-up

The whole post is good, but the highlighted part is what has so many fulminating.  It's been politicized since before Day One.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 10:23:17 pm
pointing-up :yowsa:

Hopefully, I hope you and @Bigun note, I am not disagreeing with his observation.  The Debt just cleared, what, $25T?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 10:24:29 pm
One thing is for sure.  If Baraq Obama was still in office, the press would be fawning over how much our government cares, and how fortunate we were to have someone like Obama as our President.

Agreed, and we'd already have 10's of thousands of dead people while the love-fest rolls on.  But our 401Ks would look better.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 10, 2020, 10:27:32 pm
My answer is simple. It’s because Donald Trump is president, this is an election year, and all past attempts by democrats and their media bed-buddies to depose him have failed.


Nah. Tumpy is in this right up to his lips. This is way past Democrat/Republican.
Just the TRILLIONS being spent makes em all sonsabiches, every single man-jack of em.
Not to mention lost liberties. Lost jobs.

Defending any single bit of this crap is unconscionable.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 10:28:18 pm
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We are living an overreaction fueled by politics.

@aligncare

My one and only quibble with that is I think this is actually open warfare against the USA by Communist China happy cheered along by Democrats and the media because their interests (get rid of Trump at any cost) happen to merge at present.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 10, 2020, 10:29:31 pm
Hopefully, I hope you and @Bigun note, I am not disagreeing with his observation.  The Debt just cleared, what, $25T?

That alone is indefensible.
Throw the bastards out. All of em.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 10:30:14 pm
During WWII, our government asked the people to put their lives on the line.  Millions were sent out of their communities to face dangers in unfamiliar places.  Women abandoned abandoned the safety of their homes to take factory jobs and produce the needs of the nation.  Today, our government is doing the exact opposite.
I see the doctors and nurses and even my grocery store clerk putting their lives on the line.  Does that not make sense to you?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 10, 2020, 10:32:45 pm
Hopefully, I hope you and @Bigun note, I am not disagreeing with his observation.  The Debt just cleared, what, $25T?

 888high58888 :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 10:35:59 pm
I see the doctors and nurses and even my grocery store clerk putting their lives on the line.  Does that not make sense to you?

There are many others willing to do the same, but have seen their jobs eliminated as "non-essential".  Keep in mind that I am not the one here saying that people aren't sacrificing like they did 75 years ago.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 10:41:41 pm
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April 09, 2020
Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccinations

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By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense

Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.

Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate Polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI) which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

Read more at: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=f58164a5-11a0-44dd-aa66-03e639a9ab76

This is what is to be alert of. I'm not even sure if this is pro or con Gates. I think it's against but I will have to read more.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 10, 2020, 10:45:07 pm
Hopefully, I hope you and @Bigun note, I am not disagreeing with his observation.  The Debt just cleared, what, $25T?

No worries. I can see you from here.  :seeya:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2020, 10:51:15 pm
This is what is to be alert of. I'm not even sure if this is pro or con Gates. I think it's against but I will have to read more.

The goal is to drag this out as long as possible so that a vaccine becomes practical.  If the disease is allowed to run its course naturally, then the population as a whole would have developed a collective immunity large enough to where an epidemic would no longer be a threat and a vaccine would be rendered useless.  But if we keep everyone quarantined and isolated long enough, then the threat of epidemic would still be real, and a vaccine more valuable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says ($1 million f
Post by: Fishrrman on April 10, 2020, 10:56:04 pm
"The RCMP says arrests under the act, violations of which could include a fine of up to $750,000"

So they're going to financially ruin individuals who "don't comply" ???
That's Canada for you.
Never wanted to go there, ain't changing my opinion.

One thing I've noticed -- I've never seen a poster to this board self-identify as being Canadian...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 10:58:44 pm
Nah. Tumpy is in this right up to his lips. This is way past Democrat/Republican.
Just the TRILLIONS being spent makes em all sonsabiches, every single man-jack of em.
Not to mention lost liberties. Lost jobs.

Defending any single bit of this crap is unconscionable.

We disagree, and that's OK.  The media is bent on destroying Trump because he beat Hillary.  It's that simple.  You would be hearing the same distortions if it was Ronald Reagan, in fact...we did hear them then too.  "Ketchup" = "vegetable."
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 11:02:35 pm
This is what is to be alert of. I'm not even sure if this is pro or con Gates. I think it's against but I will have to read more.

It's pro-Robert Kennedy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 11:03:49 pm
The goal is to drag this out as long as possible so that a vaccine becomes practical.  If the disease is allowed to run its course naturally, then the population as a whole would have developed a collective immunity large enough to where an epidemic would no longer be a threat and a vaccine would be rendered useless.  But if we keep everyone quarantined and isolated long enough, then the threat of epidemic would still be real, and a vaccine more valuable.

And more of a crime-in-progress, because a vaccine will take over a year to formulate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says ($1 million f
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 11:07:44 pm
"The RCMP says arrests under the act, violations of which could include a fine of up to $750,000"

So they're going to financially ruin individuals who "don't comply" ???
That's Canada for you.
Never wanted to go there, ain't changing my opinion.

One thing I've noticed -- I've never seen a poster to this board self-identify as being Canadian...

I'm from southern Michigan, and that's practically the same thing.
Title: Re: Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus ALREADY with 15% of people carrying anti
Post by: Fishrrman on April 10, 2020, 11:14:48 pm
I don't see where 15% is anywhere near enough to be close to this goal...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 10, 2020, 11:20:15 pm
We'll have to agree to disagree (agreeably) about the impact of the panic.  The Corona Virus didn't wipe out the stocks of toilet paper in the stores, the panic did.  Just one example, albeit a pretty small one compared to the millions of people just thrown out of work.

It's not "blaming the victim" to note there is panic adversely impacting the country.

I've never said that either there was no panic, nor that panic wasn't adversely impacting the country.  Both of those things are true.

What I am saying is that, information is not panic, careful behavior is not panic, not wanting to get this virus nor give it to anyone else is not panic,  caring about healthcare workers is not panic, and not going around screaming "POLICE STATE!" is not panic.

The panic, however, is secondary to the very basic medical fact....... FACT....... that this is a pernicious, fast spreading virus with unknown health ramifications and people are still dying from it....sometimes only a day or so after their first symptoms.  Understanding that and caring about the shortage of PPE's for our healthcare workers, is not panic.  And those who have gone around here for weeks (albeit not many of them, but persistent and loud) accusing those acquiring knowledge, seeking information and caring for those who are putting their lives on the line to keep the rest of us well,  as being hysterical and ridiculous, are the ones who are failing to blame the actual perp....... the virus itself.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 11:25:18 pm
I've never said that either there was no panic, nor that panic wasn't adversely impacting the country.  Both of those things are true.

What I am saying is that, information is not panic, careful behavior is not panic, not wanting to get this virus nor give it to anyone else is not panic,  caring about healthcare workers is not panic, and not going around screaming "POLICE STATE!" is not panic.

The panic, however, is secondary to the very basic medical fact....... FACT....... that this is a pernicious, fast spreading virus with unknown health ramifications and people are still dying from it....sometimes only a day or so after their first symptoms.  Understanding that and caring about the shortage of PPE's for our healthcare workers, is not panic.  And those who have gone around here for weeks (albeit not many of them, but persistent and loud) accusing those acquiring knowledge, seeking information and caring for those who are putting their lives on the line to keep the rest of us well,  as being hysterical and ridiculous, are the ones who are failing to blame the actual perp....... the virus itself.

I agree with everything there, Music Babe!  Now, belly up to the Castle bar for a virtual :beer: !
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on April 10, 2020, 11:32:25 pm
Cyber wrote:
"a vaccine will take over a year to formulate."

No.
A number of vaccines will appear quickly -- some already exist.
It's the testing and "red tape" that will delay their introduction.

How long did it take to develop and implement the vaccine for smallpox?
Or for polio?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 10, 2020, 11:34:07 pm
The goal is to drag this out as long as possible so that a vaccine becomes practical.  If the disease is allowed to run its course naturally, then the population as a whole would have developed a collective immunity large enough to where an epidemic would no longer be a threat and a vaccine would be rendered useless.  But if we keep everyone quarantined and isolated long enough, then the threat of epidemic would still be real, and a vaccine more valuable.
Yeppers!

The projected numbers have simply not manifested, except where actions taken by the Democrat leadership has virtually guaranteed the worst case scenario. Even then, it is not as bad as projected. The y don't care, because the dead vote Democrat, anyway.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2020, 11:39:56 pm
Cyber wrote:
"a vaccine will take over a year to formulate."

No.
A number of vaccines will appear quickly -- some already exist.
It's the testing and "red tape" that will delay their introduction.

How long did it take to develop and implement the vaccine for smallpox?
Or for polio?

I was referring to the red tape.  In today's world, Aspirin would not pass muster, and Polio would be running rampant.  Along with Small Pox.
Title: Re: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in intensive care after coronavirus condition 'worsened'
Post by: Victoria33 on April 11, 2020, 12:11:01 am
@Victoria33 I’m really worried about you and other people who are seniors. It is a strange time indeed
@Gefn

Don't worry - I am staying in the house.  Am reading, writing, watching a few TV movies, watch/listen to, CNN/FOX to keep up with virus news.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 11, 2020, 12:32:48 am
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQaNdTKQyLY&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Moscow Stretched 'to Limit' by Virus Cases: Official
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 01:31:29 am
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Moscow Stretched 'to Limit' by Virus Cases: Official
By AFP

Moscow's hospitals and ambulance service are working at peak capacity after a sharp rise in those hospitalized with serious coronavirus complications, a senior city official said Friday.

The densely populated capital with more than 12 million residents has the largest outbreak in Russia, with 7,822 confirmed coronavirus cases out of a national total of almost 12,000.

The number in Moscow's hospitals has doubled since last week and more than 85% of these patients have pneumonia, deputy mayor Anastasia Rakova was quoted as saying on the city virus task force's Telegram account.

Read more at:  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/10/moscow-stretched-to-limit-by-virus-cases-official-a69943 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/10/moscow-stretched-to-limit-by-virus-cases-official-a69943)

They definitely took measures, did they shut down their famous  metro or subways? I don't know.
Title: Prominent Iran Lawmaker Demands Foreign Ministry To Summon China's Ambassador
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 01:38:49 am
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Prominent Iran Lawmaker Demands Foreign Ministry To Summon China's Ambassador

Following a war of words between the Islamic Republic Ministry of health and Beijing's Ambassador to Tehran, a prominent member of Majles (Iranian parliament) has called on the country's Foreign Ministry to summon the Chinese envoy to protest his actions.

The lawmaker in question is Ali Motahari, who is ending his term in parliament but in the last three years has often criticized officials and the hardliners for their restrictive policies and use of force.

On April 5, the Islamic Republic Health Ministry spokesman, Kianush Jahanpur, had said at a press briefing that China's statistics about the number of deaths and infections from the coronavirus are "a bitter joke." He added, if Beijing said it got the coronavirus epidemic under control within two months, "one should think very hard [if it is true]."

More:  https://en.radiofarda.com/a/prominent-iran-lawmaker-demands-foreign-ministry-to-summon-china-s-ambassador/30545491.html
Title: We won’t allow maltreatment of Nigerians, Gbajabiamila tells Chinese envoy
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 01:41:31 am
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We won’t allow maltreatment of Nigerians, Gbajabiamila tells Chinese envoy

Following the reported maltreatment of some Nigerians living in China, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Femi Gbajabiamila, has demanded an end to the inhumane treatment of Nigerians living in the Asian country.

He said this when the leadership of the House met with the Chinese Ambassador to Nigeria, Zhou Pingjian on Friday.

Gbajabiamila asked the Chinese envoy to look into viral media reports and videos from Beijing showing Nigerians being forced out of their houses and hotels. The videos further detailed how Nigerians were rounded up and their passports seized by the Chinese police.

Read more at:  https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/we-won-e2-80-99t-allow-maltreatment-of-nigerians-gbajabiamila-tells-chinese-envoy/ar-BB12suzj (https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/we-won-e2-80-99t-allow-maltreatment-of-nigerians-gbajabiamila-tells-chinese-envoy/ar-BB12suzj)

This is very much true, Africans having trouble in China (where many go to study), being kicked out of hotels where they are staying. I've read this, it's happening right now.
Title: Rights Watchdog Says Dozens Of Prisoners Killed In Iran Coronavirus Protests
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 01:43:06 am
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Rights Watchdog Says Dozens Of Prisoners Killed In Iran Coronavirus Protests

As many as 36 prisoners in Iran are feared dead after security forces used lethal force to control protests triggered by fears of Covid-19, Amnesty International (AI) said in a statement on Thursday, April 9.

Referring to widespread protests in recent days in different prisons across Iran, AI says that thousands of prisoners in at least eight prisons around the country staged protests over fears of contracting the coronavirus, sparking deadly responses from prison officers and security forces.

“It is abhorrent that instead of responding to prisoners’ legitimate demands to be protected from COVID-19, Iranian authorities have yet again resorted to killing people to silence their concerns,” said Diana Eltahawy, Amnesty International’s Deputy Regional Director of the Middle East and North Africa.

Read more at:  https://en.radiofarda.com/a/rights-watchdog-says-dozens-of-prisoners-killed-in-iran-coronavirus-protests/30544622.html
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 11, 2020, 02:51:57 am
But the sacrifices are infinitesimal and the whining ear shattering.

We are a weaker people than we used to be, addicted to comfort and convenience.


@musiclady

No,we just have and like comforts commonly available today that weren't even thought of back then.  We are right to miss them and complain about not having them. They are the essentials of our modern life,just like electricity and radio were to the people in the 30's and 40's.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on April 11, 2020, 03:01:14 am
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on April 11, 2020, 03:07:57 am
Victor Davis Hanson: COVID-19 and the Lessons of History | Hoover Virtual Policy Briefing
42,178 views•Apr 9, 2020

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 04:00:15 am
INDIA:
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Second lynching over coronavirus; Delhi man killed over Jamaat link
The man who has been lynched to death had returned from Bhopal in a truck of vegetables after attending a Tablighi Jamaat conference.
By : Shashi Sharma
Apr 9, 2020 20:10 IST

A 22-year-old man, who had returned to Delhi from Madhya Pradesh, has been lynched to death by locals after rumours of him planning to spread coronavirus, the police said on Wednesday. The man had returned from Bhopal in a truck of vegetables after attending a Tablighi Jamaat conference. In the national capital, he was caught by police and released after medical examination, news agency PTI reported.

When he reached his home in the Bawana area of the national capital, rumours spread that he was infected by a coronavirus and had come to Delhi to spread the disease. A group of men attacked him and left for dead. The police took him to the hospital where he succumbed to injuries during the treatment. The Delhi police have registered a case of murder under relevant sections of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) and arrested three accused.

Mainstream media adding fuel to the fire by spreading fake news

Ever since the Tablighi Jamaat event in Delhi turned a coronavirus hotspot, rumours have spread across the country that the members of the religious organisation are spreading the infection. Several fake news by mainstream media organisations like the news agency ANI and controversial news channel Zee News about the Jamaat has added more fuel to the fire.

Read more at:  https://www.ibtimes.co.in/first-lynching-over-coronavirus-delhi-man-killed-over-jamaat-link-817172 (https://www.ibtimes.co.in/first-lynching-over-coronavirus-delhi-man-killed-over-jamaat-link-817172)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 05:01:21 am
Nah. Tumpy is in this right up to his lips. This is way past Democrat/Republican.
Just the TRILLIONS being spent makes em all sonsabiches, every single man-jack of em.
Not to mention lost liberties. Lost jobs.

Defending any single bit of this crap is unconscionable.

So. If you were the President. What would you have done?  That man.

If you were in his position and had you stepped up and called him out on his bullshit how far would you take it?

Trillions. What a f'ucking joke. What is the difference? When the sum total is you are zero?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 05:07:00 am
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397469.msg2186906.html#msg2186906 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397469.msg2186906.html#msg2186906)

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ (https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/)
Title: James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge for yo
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 11, 2020, 05:26:17 am
James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge for yourself”

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James Woods just tweeted out a video that he says everyone should see and then judge for themselves. He calls it “pretty scary” because the presumption is that the coronavirus did not begin in a “Wet Market” in Wuhan. An Epoch Times investigative reporter takes the viewer through the possibilities of how the coronavirus originated.

National Review also questions the origins of the coronavirus in Jim Geraghty’s must-read article: The Trail Leading Back to the Wuhan Labs. Geraghty takes the reader through some of the same pathways as the video below, raising questions about the narrative being pushed by China that the virus began in the Wet Markets:

https://100percentfedup.com/james-woods-tweets-pretty-scary-video-that-questions-the-origins-of-the-coronavirus-judge-for-yourself/

Highly recommend this video.  Real scientific information and evidence.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 11, 2020, 05:34:55 am
Episode 904 Scott Adams: Today I Blow Your Mind. Goes Well With Coffee

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Excellent @truth_seeker   Thanks for posting.  (And it does blow your mind  happy77 )
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 11, 2020, 06:59:53 am
So. If you were the President. What would you have done?  That man.

The very same as I have advocated here.

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If you were in his position and had you stepped up and called him out on his bullshit how far would you take it?

All the way of course. Have you ever known me to wiggle on principle?

Quote
Trillions. What a f'ucking joke. What is the difference? When the sum total is you are zero?

Sooner or later, and mark my words: Somebody is going to pay that bill. Do you prefer it is your grandchildren and great grandchildren? How much of their treasure is enough?
Title: Re: James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge fo
Post by: Sighlass on April 11, 2020, 07:16:40 am
I got 15-20 minutes into it and it looks pretty interesting so far.... Hopefully time will allow me to watch the rest tomorrow (after my garden work).... Garden has been keeping me busy and I miss my TBR buddies.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 07:25:16 am
The very same as I have advocated here.

All the way of course. Have you ever known me to wiggle on principle?

Sooner or later, and mark my words: Somebody is going to pay that bill. Do you prefer it is your grandchildren and great grandchildren? How much of their treasure is enough?

Yeah and yeah. And no.

This reply is sponsored by somebody. I already told you I have the desire to stop this.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 11, 2020, 01:25:31 pm
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For later
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 11, 2020, 01:52:08 pm
Episode 904 Scott Adams: Today I Blow Your Mind. Goes Well With Coffee

14,528 views•Apr 10, 2020

Models, motivation, persuassion, saving lives, getting back to work, winning re-election,


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This guy is dead wrong about population density having no effect on mitigation.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 11, 2020, 02:04:00 pm
We have to get the economy back to going...NOW.  Our local city administrator was just on tv talking about our sales tax shortfall.  Talking about laying off city workers etc.  This is going to get bad really fast.  Depression here we come....

I'm buying metals....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 02:10:14 pm
https://nationalfile.com/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/

Good article on Fauci, Gates and did Fauci even lend some support to Hillary in 2013 so, not the last election.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 02:19:02 pm
We have to get the economy back to going...NOW.  Our local city administrator was just on tv talking about our sales tax shortfall.  Talking about laying off city workers etc.  This is going to get bad really fast.  Depression here we come....

I'm buying metals....
Our County seat has taken a different approach (unfortunately), Instead raising assessed home values by as much as 50%  with no improvements, oil at 16/bbl, everything not directly oil patch pretty much shut down, and calling it a "market adjustment"--with no regard that for this region it is 1986 all over again. (sharp population decrease as oil drilling imploded, collapse in housing prices).

I expect an exodus this summer like the one in '82 and '86 here. If I can't get/find work for the next months, I will be cruising alleys for good used furniture, etc. (discarded), and offering services to haul stuff to the dump, pack/load households going south, etc.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on April 11, 2020, 02:28:38 pm
Walmart CEO says we're in the 'hair color' phase of panic buying

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CNN Business)First went the hand sanitizer, disinfectants and toilet paper.

Now hair clippers and hair dye are flying off shelves.

In recent weeks, Americans' shopping patterns are serving as a reflection of how the coronavirus pandemic continues to evolve and affect daily lives.

"You can definitely see that as people have stayed home, their focus shifted," Walmart CEO Doug McMillon said on the Today Show, Friday.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/business/panic-buying-walmart-hair-color-coronavirus/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/business/panic-buying-walmart-hair-color-coronavirus/index.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 11, 2020, 02:52:59 pm
Walmart CEO says we're in the 'hair color' phase of panic buying

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/business/panic-buying-walmart-hair-color-coronavirus/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/business/panic-buying-walmart-hair-color-coronavirus/index.html)
LOLOLOL....  I had to cut my own hair a week or so ago and it wasn't pretty.  Guess I'll have to watch a youtube video on it next time...lol.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 02:57:45 pm
Walmart CEO says we're in the 'hair color' phase of panic buying

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/business/panic-buying-walmart-hair-color-coronavirus/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/business/panic-buying-walmart-hair-color-coronavirus/index.html)
Well, good! While everyone is messing with their coiffure, maybe I can sneak into the store and get some things for the other end...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 11, 2020, 03:00:24 pm
Our County seat has taken a different approach (unfortunately), Instead raising assessed home values by as much as 50%  with no improvements, oil at 16/bbl, everything not directly oil patch pretty much shut down, and calling it a "market adjustment"--with no regard that for this region it is 1986 all over again. (sharp population decrease as oil drilling imploded, collapse in housing prices).

I expect an exodus this summer like the one in '82 and '86 here. If I can't get/find work for the next months, I will be cruising alleys for good used furniture, etc. (discarded), and offering services to haul stuff to the dump, pack/load households going south, etc.
I was moving a huge pile of dirt at my mom's house yesterday, that I should have moved years ago.  A guy stopped on his bicycle, with his mask on, to ask if he could help as he really needed the money.  I said hey....you are making more than I am...lol.  I spent hours on the phone the last several days trying to talk to someone at the unemployment office, unsuccessfully.  I filled out the paperwork online, but they seem to think I need to talk to them.  I filled out the SBA info online as well and haven't heard a word.  If a person didn't have money in the bank, they'd be screwed at this point.  I'm financially ok, but there are thousands, if not millions that may not make it to the end of the month.  I'm right there with you Joe....this is gonna be BAD. 

The great thing is.... HE IS RISEN!

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 03:08:15 pm
I was moving a huge pile of dirt at my mom's house yesterday, that I should have moved years ago.  A guy stopped on his bicycle, with his mask on, to ask if he could help as he really needed the money.  I said hey....you are making more than I am...lol.  I spent hours on the phone the last several days trying to talk to someone at the unemployment office, unsuccessfully.  I filled out the paperwork online, but they seem to think I need to talk to them.  I filled out the SBA info online as well and haven't heard a word.  If a person didn't have money in the bank, they'd be screwed at this point.  I'm financially ok, but there are thousands, if not millions that may not make it to the end of the month.  I'm right there with you Joe....this is gonna be BAD. 

The great thing is.... HE IS RISEN!
Yep. I'll be working on my place, doing what can be done on the cheap. I have more time than money, and have always bought tools. Now, I get to practice with some of them. I'm in pretty good shape for a few months, barring disaster, and that may get through the tight spot. But in the meantime, it's going to take some hustling, and not shirk from making a buck. God provides. We have always had enough.
Title: Re: James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge fo
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 03:16:47 pm
Epoch Times is the best. I think some Chi-Com sympathizers will slam them.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 03:29:35 pm
What Americans are there in the first place now?

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US warns African-Americans to avoid Guangzhou after reports black people are being targeted in coronavirus clampdown

    People of African descent or with ‘African contacts’ have been subjected to mandatory tests and quarantine
    Black people are reported to have been evicted from hotels and flats and denied service in restaurants in southern metropolis

Shi Jiangtao in Hong Kong/Beijing
Published: 9:45pm, 11 Apr, 2020

...

The warning followed reports that local authorities had imposed tough measures in recent weeks screening people entering and leaving the city’s “Little Africa” district in Yuexiu district after five Nigerians tested positive for the coronavirus.

Read more at:  https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079497/us-warns-african-americans-avoid-guangzhou-after-reports-black (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079497/us-warns-african-americans-avoid-guangzhou-after-reports-black)

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Coronavirus: as the pandemic spreads in the US, so do racist attacks, and not just against Asians

    Asians and Asian-Americans continue to be targets, but recent coronavirus webinars have included abuse and slurs of black participants

    The Zoom videoconferencing platform was used, and hacked, in both webinars

Charley Lanyon
11 Apr, 2020

In the past two weeks alone, two separate medical webinars on the coronavirus featuring minority health care workers were disrupted by hackers spewing profanity and racial slurs.

On Wednesday, a coronavirus webinar hosted by the Washington-based Association of Black Cardiologists (ABC) was intended to shine a light on racial discrepancies in the response to the outbreak. Instead, participants themselves became the targets of racial vitriol.

“Hate speech of all sorts – however, mostly racist comments – bombarded our chat,” said ABC’s president, Dr Michelle Albert, who moderated the discussion. “Nonetheless, we continued.”

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcqaw4zMXU#)

More:  https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3079467/coronavirus-pandemic-spreads-us-so-do-racist (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3079467/coronavirus-pandemic-spreads-us-so-do-racist)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 03:39:55 pm
We have to get the economy back to going...NOW.  Our local city administrator was just on tv talking about our sales tax shortfall.  Talking about laying off city workers etc.  This is going to get bad really fast.  Depression here we come....

I'm buying metals....

Make sure they ARE full metal...jacket
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gemmarose on April 11, 2020, 04:21:26 pm
Yep. I'll be working on my place, doing what can be done on the cheap. I have more time than money, and have always bought tools. Now, I get to practice with some of them. I'm in pretty good shape for a few months, barring disaster, and that may get through the tight spot. But in the meantime, it's going to take some hustling, and not shirk from making a buck. God provides. We have always had enough.

Home improvements are great in times like this, when this is over my honey do list will actually be done.
Whatever should I do then :whistle:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 11, 2020, 04:30:37 pm
Home improvements are great in times like this, when this is over my honey do list will actually be done.
Whatever should I do then :whistle:

I just hope where y'all live the Governor or Mayor doesn't decide to follow this idiots lead:

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Michigan's new stay-at-home order restricts access to gardening and home improvement sections in grocery stores

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/04/10/michigans-new-stay-at-home-order-restricts-access-to-gardening-and-home-improvement-sections-in-grocery-stores (https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/04/10/michigans-new-stay-at-home-order-restricts-access-to-gardening-and-home-improvement-sections-in-grocery-stores)


One version of this I read from the detroit Free Press specifically mentioned Home Depot.


Scratch a Liberal...

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 11, 2020, 04:31:13 pm
I was moving a huge pile of dirt at my mom's house yesterday, that I should have moved years ago.  A guy stopped on his bicycle, with his mask on, to ask if he could help as he really needed the money.  I said hey....you are making more than I am...lol.  I spent hours on the phone the last several days trying to talk to someone at the unemployment office, unsuccessfully.  I filled out the paperwork online, but they seem to think I need to talk to them.  I filled out the SBA info online as well and haven't heard a word.  If a person didn't have money in the bank, they'd be screwed at this point.  I'm financially ok, but there are thousands, if not millions that may not make it to the end of the month.  I'm right there with you Joe....this is gonna be BAD. 

The great thing is.... HE IS RISEN!

Great story @mrpotatohead ...I did not see the ending coming.  The President says we are gonna come out of this stronger than ever.  Hang in there. :seeya:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 05:19:00 pm
Home improvements are great in times like this, when this is over my honey do list will actually be done.
Whatever should I do then :whistle:
:silly:

The honey do list is never done....!

Mine is broken down into
the stuff that can be done now with resources on hand....
the stuff that will take a bit more planning and more money...

and the "Win the Powerball, and we'll talk about it..." section...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 11, 2020, 05:20:57 pm
We have to get the economy back to going...NOW.  Our local city administrator was just on tv talking about our sales tax shortfall.  Talking about laying off city workers etc.  This is going to get bad really fast.  Depression here we come....

I'm buying metals....

@mrpotatohead

Waaay ahead of you on that one. Bought a bunch of ammo back when it was cheap.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 05:22:38 pm
@mrpotatohead

Waaay ahead of you on that one. Bought a bunch of ammo back when it was cheap.
Invested in 'semi-precious metal' long ago...never regretted doing so.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 11, 2020, 05:27:36 pm
Yep. I'll be working on my place, doing what can be done on the cheap. I have more time than money, and have always bought tools. Now, I get to practice with some of them. I'm in pretty good shape for a few months, barring disaster, and that may get through the tight spot. But in the meantime, it's going to take some hustling, and not shirk from making a buck. God provides. We have always had enough.

@Smokin Joe

It's a wise man that prepares for potential future needs,and a unwise man that lives beyond his means because his plans include earning more next year.

There are a BUNCH of people out there with a whole LOT more house than they need,and sadly,many of them are going to end up renting or living in a tent.

MUCH better to buy an affordable place you can pay off quickly,and then buy rental property when property values are bottoming. Rent is money forever.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 11, 2020, 05:30:08 pm
For those that think Sweeden is facing a crisis because they haven't imposed house arrest on their citizens like the rest of the world:

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
·
8m
1/ Nate: the Swedes know exactly what they’re doing. They provide data on ICU admissions and overall ICU cases. (Remember: ICU admits lag, as do deaths.) There has been no daily spike and overall cases appear to have peaked, suggesting the overall epidemic is well under control.

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 05:31:53 pm
@Smokin Joe

It's a wise man that prepares for potential future needs,and a unwise man that lives beyond his means because his plans include earning more next year.

There are a BUNCH of people out there with a whole LOT more house than they need,and sadly,many of them are going to end up renting or living in a tent.

MUCH better to buy an affordable place you can pay off quickly,and then buy rental property when property values are bottoming. Rent is money forever.
I bought an affordable place, at the time gauging bills against one of two incomes, with one on unemployment, even though we were both employed. It's paid for now, but according to the tax district, is now worth six times what I paid for it (up over 40% from last year, no improvements, in a dying economy oil patch town). Those sort of arbitrary and unpredictable bills are the ones that get you, and the folks in government are skilled indeed at throwing those monkey wrenches into the works..
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gemmarose on April 11, 2020, 05:55:04 pm
@Smokin Joe

It's a wise man that prepares for potential future needs,and a unwise man that lives beyond his means because his plans include earning more next year.

There are a BUNCH of people out there with a whole LOT more house than they need,and sadly,many of them are going to end up renting or living in a tent.

MUCH better to buy an affordable place you can pay off quickly,and then buy rental property when property values are bottoming. Rent is money forever.

I much would rather live beneath my needs that try to rise and fall into despair.
Try to keep enough in savings for rainy days such as this but I also have been working since I was 15
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 11, 2020, 06:00:13 pm
I bought an affordable place, at the time gauging bills against one of two incomes, with one on unemployment, even though we were both employed. It's paid for now, but according to the tax district, is now worth six times what I paid for it (up over 40% from last year, no improvements, in a dying economy oil patch town). Those sort of arbitrary and unpredictable bills are the ones that get you, and the folks in government are skilled indeed at throwing those monkey wrenches into the works..

@Smokin Joe

Yeah,but the good bad news is you can  probably hire a shyster lawyer to keep getting your case rescheduled until the fools on the county board are filing for unemployment.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 11, 2020, 06:05:07 pm
@Smokin Joe

Yeah,but the good bad news is you can  probably hire a shyster lawyer to keep getting your case rescheduled until the fools on the county board are filing for unemployment.
It's pretty obvious what is going on. Most of them are n00bs to the region, and some of us recall the last oil boom/bust. They are working off projections that don't take the downside into account (and likely, they have spent money that won't be coming in from sales taxes and oil revenue, because the price of oil has crashed). They have to dig for their pension funds in other places, and the pockets of homeowners are the first thing they think of if they can't get more sales tax through (and the people aren't buying that, and killed the last three attempts at school bonds).

So....BOHICA. A group of us are going to protest, FWIW, which likely won't be much, because we won't even be able to look 'em in the eye (teleconference, "because of the virus").
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 06:16:24 pm
uh huh

I don't have any money.

I do have a fantastic wife. 34 years.

She woke me up at 5 this morning.

Leg cramps. So I stretched her legs behind her ears.

Last Sunday my son came over to report his water heater totally blew. I had pneumnia and really didn't feel like I wanted to be in the wind and 'cold' 45. 45 ain't bad. The wind chill was.

New water heater. From Home Depot.

Yesterday when I got home the DIL said she had no hot water. Breaker popped, wouldn't reset.

My son has some experience  with electrical. So I had that headstart. One hot leg had a break in the wire about an inch below the top of where it comes out of the water heater. Not going into all of the details. Fortunately I pulled the wire up enough from the break to reconnect.

My DIL asked me if they would warranty it.  I LOLed. Told her if she thought they had a chance...against me...to bring her camera.  So she could video one size fits any anyhole. I didn't go cheap. That water heater has a ten year warranty+. The last water heater I put in there was 17 yers ago. But damn, price seemed higher now.  :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 11, 2020, 06:47:05 pm

I'm buying metals....

I'm buying beans.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 11, 2020, 06:51:24 pm
If a person didn't have money in the bank, they'd be screwed at this point.

I HAVE money in the bank. I just can't get at it. The assumption that everyone has debit cards and electronic banking is not true.
Title: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 08:19:35 pm
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Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
by Anthony Leonardi | April 08, 2020 09:02 PM

Sen. Ted Cruz said the novel coronavirus may have inadvertently escaped from a Chinese laboratory and that his theory "explains" China's cover-up of the virus.

During a radio interview on The Michael Berry Show, the Texas Republican said it was possible China accidentally released the virus from a laboratory near Wuhan, China, and assigned blame to the communist government for the COVID-19 outbreak in the United States.

"What there's a real possibility of is that it accidentally escaped, that somebody accidentally got infected. They're studying the virus, and they accidentally got bitten or scratched, or somehow got the virus. And then they took it out and inadvertently caused the outbreak. And I got to say, that would explain a lot of the Chinese government's panicked efforts to cover this up," Cruz said.

Read more at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-speculates-china-inadvertently-released-and-attempted-cover-up-of-the-coronavirus (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-speculates-china-inadvertently-released-and-attempted-cover-up-of-the-coronavirus)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 11, 2020, 09:25:49 pm
I bought an affordable place, at the time gauging bills against one of two incomes, with one on unemployment, even though we were both employed. It's paid for now, but according to the tax district, is now worth six times what I paid for it (up over 40% from last year, no improvements, in a dying economy oil patch town). Those sort of arbitrary and unpredictable bills are the ones that get you, and the folks in government are skilled indeed at throwing those monkey wrenches into the works..

Prop 13 was one of the few things California got right.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 11, 2020, 09:34:55 pm
I HAVE money in the bank. I just can't get at it. The assumption that everyone has debit cards and electronic banking is not true.

Why don't you like electronic banking? I've been using electronic banking since it was first available in the early 90's. It was a dial up bulletin board style connection back then. Knock on wood, I've never had a problem. In fact multiple times I was saved late charges on mortgage payments where the mortgage company claimed I paid late but the electronic records said otherwise. In every instance of that (there were multiple from the same dumb ass mortgage company) my bank straightened it out directly not needing my involvement short of letting them know about it. Paying by check would have been a disaster.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: 240B on April 11, 2020, 09:41:21 pm
I'm buying alcohol...
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 11, 2020, 09:54:46 pm
Why don't you like electronic banking? I've been using electronic banking since it was first available in the early 90's. It was a dial up bulletin board style connection back then. Knock on wood, I've never had a problem. In fact multiple times I was saved late charges on mortgage payments where the mortgage company claimed I paid late but the electronic records said otherwise. In every instance of that (there were multiple from the same dumb ass mortgage company) my bank straightened it out directly not needing my involvement short of letting them know about it. Paying by check would have been a disaster.

The lion's share of that is to counter my tendency to be introverted. I have a weird split in my personality. I am a very gregarious sort, if given the opportunity, but my tendency is to be satisfied with my own company.

So I make it a point, once a month, to get my banking done in person, and then go around and pay my bills in person, and then get groceries and possibles as needed, thus relieving, at least for a time, my tendency toward being (relatively) alone.

I also make it a point, once a month, to go out to a sit-down dinner somewhere, picking a different establishment every time... gets me out of my ruts - Something that occurs naturally with a woman around, but left to my own devices, it is a discipline.

Likewise my decision nearing a decade ago, to simplify my life... Coming out of town, and back into country living. I deal with cash money. No checkbook. No loans. No payments. All cash on the barrelhead. Simple. Gloriously inefficient and organic. And a hard line toward living within my means.

I have said I am a basement geek. Introverted and tech-oriented. The other half of me is a luddite that lives outside, always around animals, always hunting and fishing. Finding joy as a tinker, fixing things others throw away.

The one way, I make tons of money and spend tons of money... The other way, I am happy. So I am hedging toward happy and leaving the other behind.

See?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 11, 2020, 10:22:36 pm
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Iceland coronavirus testing shows half who test positive show no symptoms
Washington Examiner, Apr 11, 2020

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/iceland-coronavirus-testing-shows-half-who-test-positive-show-no-symptoms (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/iceland-coronavirus-testing-shows-half-who-test-positive-show-no-symptoms)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 11, 2020, 10:23:22 pm
Shouldn't this be moved to "Politics" @TomSea
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: TomSea on April 11, 2020, 10:36:09 pm
My view is it could be both, the same for AG Barr saying China was our biggest threat. It is dealing with China afte rall.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: massadvj on April 11, 2020, 10:43:38 pm
He is basically saying what everyone in the entire world suspects, but no one apparently dares say. I am not sure whose behavior has been worse: the Chinese or the WHO that covered for them.

We expect deceit from China, but the WHO is supposed to have credibility as a caretaker of world health.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: GtHawk on April 11, 2020, 11:29:42 pm
But, but........he's lyin Ted Cruz!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 12, 2020, 01:35:48 am
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Dutch coronavirus cases rise by 1,316 to 24,413: health authorities

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the Netherlands rose by 1,316 on Saturday to 24,413, health authorities said, with 132 new deaths.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-tally/dutch-coronavirus-cases-rise-by-1316-to-24413-health-authorities-idUSKCN21T0MD (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-tally/dutch-coronavirus-cases-rise-by-1316-to-24413-health-authorities-idUSKCN21T0MD)

It appears a fairly big jump but we need all facts and figures.

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State minister says India set to extend nationwide lockdown to tackle coronavirus

...

Modi’s government said only that it was still considering states’ requests and that they mostly wanted a two-week extension to the 21-day lockdown, which is due to end on Tuesday.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southasia/state-minister-says-india-set-to-extend-nationwide-lockdown-to-tackle-coronavirus-idUSKCN21T085 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southasia/state-minister-says-india-set-to-extend-nationwide-lockdown-to-tackle-coronavirus-idUSKCN21T085)

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Why coronavirus could be catastrophic for Venezuela

...

With a health system that is already on its knees, the arrival of coronavirus is a frightening prospect.
Quick to lock down

Within days of Venezuela recording its first cases of Covid-19 in the middle of March, President Maduro ordered a national quarantine to try and stop its spread.

See more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52204225?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52204225?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 12, 2020, 02:07:21 am
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India set to ship drug sought by Trump for coronavirus

...

This week India allowed some exports of the drug and Trump has thanked New Delhi for the decision.

...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-drugmakers/india-set-to-ship-drug-sought-by-trump-for-coronavirus-idUSKCN21S1A7 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-drugmakers/india-set-to-ship-drug-sought-by-trump-for-coronavirus-idUSKCN21S1A7)

So, if one missed it, sounds like we are getting this hydroxychloroquine from India among, surely, others.

More world news at Reuters:   https://www.reuters.com/news/world (https://www.reuters.com/news/world)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 12, 2020, 02:09:31 am
So, if one missed it, sounds like we are getting this hydroxychloroquine from India among, surely, others.

More world news at Reuters:   https://www.reuters.com/news/world (https://www.reuters.com/news/world)

They have the largest supply because of the high malaria rates in the country.  IIRC they also have some of the lowest mortality rats from Chinese Corona Virus despite being a nation of 1.3 billion.

Makes sense they'd be able to ship us large amounts of the medicine.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 12, 2020, 02:12:51 am
So many articles, I think I read Israelis can not go out without having a mask on... face covering.  Turkey sent a bunch of aid to the UK.

And then, this:
Quote

 Duterte mulls selling government assets as last resort

Christina Mendez (The Philippine Star
) - April 12, 2020 - 12:00am

MANILA, Philippines — President Duterte is eyeing the sale of government assets as a last resort to keep the country afloat as the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic continues to claim lives and ravage the economy.

In a televised address late Thursday, Duterte said he would dispose of the Cultural Center of the Philippines and the Philippine International Convention Center (PICC), among others, if the country’s financial condition worsens.

“What is the endgame? If we really run out of money, I will sell all the property of the government,” he said.

Read more at: https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/04/12/2006727/duterte-mulls-selling-government-assets-last-resort (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/04/12/2006727/duterte-mulls-selling-government-assets-last-resort)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gemmarose on April 12, 2020, 02:36:54 am
This was just sent to me thought I would share
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2020, 02:41:59 am
This was just sent to me thought I would share

We shall see ... once I see that the number of cases in my area are not increasing as rapidly or new cases starting to decline -- I'm out of quarantine ... and I am extremely high risk. 

Only problem is ... there is a possibility that things will still be closed ... but I'm hoping that they'll re-open the parks and beaches!!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 12, 2020, 03:02:47 am
We shall see ... once I see that the number of cases in my area are not increasing as rapidly or new cases starting to decline -- I'm out of quarantine ... and I am extremely high risk. 

Only problem is ... there is a possibility that things will still be closed ... but I'm hoping that they'll re-open the parks and beaches!!
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Title: Re: James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge fo
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 12, 2020, 03:10:48 am
I got 15-20 minutes into it and it looks pretty interesting so far.... Hopefully time will allow me to watch the rest tomorrow (after my garden work).... Garden has been keeping me busy and I miss my TBR buddies.

Boy Spring Time is very welcomed.  It is so nice to be able to soak up some fresh air and sunshine.  I need to get going on the garden too.  Rototilling.  I usually wait to make sure that the rain isn't going to spoil the seeds.  I have done that more than once.  My garden is in a spot that collects water when we get our big rains in Washington.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 12, 2020, 03:16:29 am
He is basically saying what everyone in the entire world suspects, but no one apparently dares say. I am not sure whose behavior has been worse: the Chinese or the WHO that covered for them.

We expect deceit from China, but the WHO is supposed to have credibility as a caretaker of world health.

I may not matter but I will say it.  I believe that it is true.  Not feeling comfortable with Trump and his communications with the Chinese dictator last month.  I fully expect that the world to hold China accountable for this.
Title: Re: James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge fo
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 12, 2020, 03:20:57 am
You  don't have to have a PhD in virology to understand the implications of this: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Published in November 2015, in Nature, the abstract details the creation of a chimera virus from Bat borne Coronavirus SHCO14 and a mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbone (viral fragment) that
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On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo.
and
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. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV.[/b] Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.
(quotes from the abstract)

Two of the researchers on this particular project (who are co-authors) went back to their jobs at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

That is just too much to be coincidental. Wet Market, my arse.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2020, 03:29:30 am
He is basically saying what everyone in the entire world suspects, but no one apparently dares say. I am not sure whose behavior has been worse: the Chinese or the WHO that covered for them.

We expect deceit from China, but the WHO is supposed to have credibility as a caretaker of world health.

The CDC went right along with them and IMHO it took the CDC some time before they actually dared to declare an epidemic and then a pandemic.

The U.N., and WHO are proving to be worthless!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 12, 2020, 03:45:53 am
 Reagan alumni, Economist, Prof Steve Hanke  (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke) chronicles India's experience on this, for some reason he has it in for Modi and paints a negative picture. And he works for John Hopkins U but not apparently, in the health side of thigns.

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Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
·
2h
#Modi's #Lockdown does nothing to address #India's weak #Healthcare capacity. There are just 0.7 beds per 1,000 people. Even if 0.03% of rural Indians become infected, #Hospitals will be overwhelmed.
It takes action, not PR stunts, to fight #COVIDー19.
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Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
·
2h
#Modi's #India is unprepared for #Coronavirus. He has spent all his time telling Indians to applaud & light candles. With #Testing at woefully low levels at 137 tests per 1M pop, it is dawning on everyone: 'Dear Leader' has no plan. #ModiMadeDisaster.

And he praises Bill Gates at his twitter (along the lines that the private sector will develop something)

https://twitter.com/steve_hanke

Brazil too, is to be watched in all of this.

Title: Re: James Woods Tweets “Pretty Scary” Video That Questions The Origins of The Coronavirus: “Judge fo
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 12, 2020, 03:59:50 am
You  don't have to have a PhD in virology to understand the implications of this: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Published in November 2015, in Nature, the abstract details the creation of a chimera virus from Bat borne Coronavirus SHCO14 and a mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbone (viral fragment) that and  (quotes from the abstract)

Two of the researchers on this particular project (who are co-authors) went back to their jobs at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.


That is just too much to be coincidental. Wet Market, my arse.

Exactly.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 12, 2020, 04:49:30 am

Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra
·
1h
U.S. population: 328,000,000

France/Germany/Italy/U.K./Spain population: 324,000,000

Coronavirus cases:

-U.S.: 526,396
-F/G/I/UK/S: 650,807

Coronavirus deaths:

-U.S.: 20,463
-F/G/I/UK/S: 62,553

Source: Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2020, 05:46:51 am
Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra
·
1h
U.S. population: 328,000,000

France/Germany/Italy/U.K./Spain population: 324,000,000

Coronavirus cases:

-U.S.: 526,396
-F/G/I/UK/S: 650,807

Coronavirus deaths:

-U.S.: 20,463
-F/G/I/UK/S: 62,553

Source: Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

It's a fair comparison for where we are now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2020, 05:50:00 am
This was just sent to me thought I would share
I'm a Friends fan.  It was cute.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2020, 06:03:40 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVX8j0ZX0AY8_aQ.jpg)

He is risen!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 12, 2020, 09:43:51 am
Okay, a big over night merger... merged many threads. They go in this big one.

It might not be fair to let some people's threads, unless active, remain in the main area and not the threads of others. So after 24-48 hours, expect them to be merged into this large general thread.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 12, 2020, 09:52:06 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVX8j0ZX0AY8_aQ.jpg)

He is risen!

Amen!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 12, 2020, 10:20:29 am
(Former) Governor Walker has been tweeting for days a lot of religious messages, mainly to do with Holy Week. Good man.

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Scott Walker@ScottWalker
·
Apr 10
Made this cross at camp when I was a kid. Still sits on the stand next to my bed as a reminder that we can’t celebrate Easter
Hatching chick    without Good Friday
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVQsnExX0AEfgc4?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/ScottWalker

So, we will get back to business soon per this thread, I don't like going OT too much and, seeing how we are at about 53 pages, some time in the near future, perhaps we will start thread III.

Repeating, a lot of related threads were merged overnight to be fair to everyone. All feedback and input is welcomed.

Yes, thread III will be started surely some time this week to keep info fresh.

We'll try to keep the forum somewhat tidy.  Some topics and I've certainly posted them are probably "tangentially" world and/or coronavirus related.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on April 12, 2020, 12:27:31 pm
I wish everyone a most happy Easter. I’m so happy that most of the grocery and other stores in my state that have been open during this time, all have closed to let their employees have a nice peaceful day off with their families.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 12, 2020, 02:17:33 pm
Ryan Saavedra  @RealSaavedra
10h

U.S. population: 328,000,000

France/Germany/Italy/U.K./Spain population: 324,000,000

Coronavirus cases:

-U.S.: 526,396
-F/G/I/UK/S: 650,807

Coronavirus deaths:

-U.S.: 20,463
-F/G/I/UK/S: 62,553

Source: Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 12, 2020, 02:25:37 pm
Ryan Saavedra  @RealSaavedra
10h

U.S. population: 328,000,000

France/Germany/Italy/U.K./Spain population: 324,000,000

Coronavirus cases:

-U.S.: 526,396
-F/G/I/UK/S: 650,807

Coronavirus deaths:

-U.S.: 20,463
-F/G/I/UK/S: 62,553

Source: Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

Fascinating stats.  I've been wondering about that comparison myself, so thanks for adding it all up!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gemmarose on April 12, 2020, 02:34:31 pm
I'm a Friends fan.  It was cute.

I just got my middle child into we had a marathon of it this week
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gemmarose on April 12, 2020, 02:35:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVX8j0ZX0AY8_aQ.jpg)

He is risen!

He has risen indeed Amen
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 12, 2020, 02:39:55 pm
Ryan Saavedra  @RealSaavedra
10h

U.S. population: 328,000,000

France/Germany/Italy/U.K./Spain population: 324,000,000

Coronavirus cases:

-U.S.: 526,396
-F/G/I/UK/S: 650,807

Coronavirus deaths:

-U.S.: 20,463
-F/G/I/UK/S: 62,553

Source: Johns Hopkins University & Medicine Coronavirus Resource Center

Thanks for posting this @mountaineer
Title: Re: Ted Cruz speculates China inadvertently released and attempted cover-up of coronavirus
Post by: 240B on April 12, 2020, 02:55:21 pm
He is basically saying what everyone in the entire world suspects, but no one apparently dares say. I am not sure whose behavior has been worse: the Chinese or the WHO that covered for them.

We expect deceit from China, but the WHO is supposed to have credibility as a caretaker of world health.
WHO is administered by Ethiopia. Ethiopia is owned by China to the extent that it is nearly a province of China.
Ergo, WHO is owned by China. Trump would be absolutely correct to cut off funding to WHO.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 12, 2020, 03:30:46 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVX8j0ZX0AY8_aQ.jpg)

He is risen!
Thank you for posting this.  HE IS RISEN INDEED! 
Title: Re: Thanks for nothing: U.S. scientists say China hampering search for origin of coronavirus
Post by: sneakypete on April 12, 2020, 03:32:57 pm
Doesn't surprise me.

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American scientists are actively working to learn the origin of the deadly coronavirus behind the pandemic now spreading around the world, but say a lack of Chinese virus samples has hampered research.

@TomSea

Ahm shocked! SHOCKED,AH TELLS YA!

I think we should send Pelosi and her husband,as well as everyone else willing to support and help China for a paycheck,there to live for the rest of their lives.

They deserve each other.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 12, 2020, 03:35:52 pm
There’s a reason for the term “stubborn Swede.”

And also for the term “dumb Swede.”

Myself excepted from both, of course.  happy77

But seriously, they need to get their act together quickly or the death toll will keep mounting...

@musiclady

But...,but...,but....,dat bees racist,n shit!

How are they going to be able to pretend to me more moral than everyone else if they do that?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 12, 2020, 04:46:26 pm
I know these are extraordinary times, but I feel for anyone who seems to find entertainment value of watching NBA thugs playing H-O-R-S-E on TV.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 12, 2020, 06:02:13 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVX8j0ZX0AY8_aQ.jpg)

He is risen!

In the words of Charles Wesley:

Christ the Lord is risen today.  Hallelujah!
Earth and heaven in chorus say, Hallelujah! 
Raise your joys and triumphs high, Hallelujah! 
Sing, ye heavens, and earth reply, Hallelujah! 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 03:01:36 am
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FDD | Erdogan's Response to Coronavirus Will Destroy Turkey’s Economy

The investor Warren Buffett once pithily remarked, “Only when the tide goes out do you discover who’s been swimming naked.” The COVID-19 pandemic has caught both governments and the private sector in every country off guard, but Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, through years of political and economic mismanagement, has put his nation in arguably the most vulnerable position of all major emerging markets.

If Erdogan insists on doubling down on his past mistakes, he will bring further economic ruin to Turkey, with financial and geopolitical consequences that endure far beyond the pandemic’s end.

As of April 7, Turkey had more than 34,000 coronavirus cases, with one of the world’s worst reported trajectories in terms of infection and with confirmed cases doubling every six days, compared with the world average of nine. However, there is concern that even this worrying figure is an undercount. When Ankara reported its first confirmed case on March 11, becoming the last major economy to do so, Ergin Kocyildirim of the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine wrote a warning the same day under the title “Turkey’s Coronavirus Coverup Is A Disaster Waiting To Happen.” On March 28, the financial analyst Inan Dogan, whose model had accurately predicted the trajectory of the U.S. death toll, estimated that “1 out of every 150 people in Turkey is infected with the coronavirus,” forecasting the death toll to exceed 5,000 by mid-April.

Read more at:  https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/04/08/erdogans-response-to-coronavirus-will-destroy-turkeys-economy/ (https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/04/08/erdogans-response-to-coronavirus-will-destroy-turkeys-economy/)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 11:03:09 am
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South Korea reports more recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
Josh Smith

SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea reported on Monday that at least 116 people initially cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again, although officials suggested they would soon look at easing strict recommendations aimed at preventing new outbreaks.

South Korea reported only 25 new cases overall on Monday, but the rise in “reactivated” patients has raised concerns as the country seeks to stamp out infections.

Officials are still investigating the cause of the apparent relapses. But Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), has said the virus may have been reactivated rather than the patients being re-infected.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/south-korea-reports-more-recovered-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again-idUSKCN21V0JQ (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/south-korea-reports-more-recovered-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again-idUSKCN21V0JQ)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2020, 12:07:30 pm
South Korea reported on Monday that at least 116 people initially cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again, although officials suggested they would soon look at easing strict recommendations aimed at preventing new outbreaks.

That is disheartening.  Possibly explained by faulty tests, or purposeful disinformation.  I'll wait to become depressed about this until our doctors echo the same concerns, but thanx for posting this @TomSea .  It's scary if true.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 03:58:54 pm
If people didn't hear about Boris Johnson's hospital visit, unofficial reports tend to make it sound harrowing.  Here is one such related report.
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A man who stayed in the same ICU as Boris Johnson said his experience there was 'absolutely horrible'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-stayed-same-icu-boris-192951743.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-stayed-same-icu-boris-192951743.html)

Ambulance lines in Moscow.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-huge-influx-of-patients-with-massive-lines-at-russian-hospitals/news-story/32cf5ff2c2299bb4de39dee17fdb091d (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-huge-influx-of-patients-with-massive-lines-at-russian-hospitals/news-story/32cf5ff2c2299bb4de39dee17fdb091d)


Quote
One driver told Reuters he had waited for more than 15 hours to drop off a patient who was suspected of having the infection.
The broken record about the death rate is pretty tired to continually bring up.  Resources are being heavily used.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2020, 04:26:35 pm
If people didn't hear about Boris Johnson's hospital visit, unofficial reports tend to make it sound harrowing.  Here is one such related report.
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    A man who stayed in the same ICU as Boris Johnson said his experience there was 'absolutely horrible'

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-stayed-same-icu-boris-192951743.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-stayed-same-icu-boris-192951743.html)

For those of you who would rather hear the positive aspect instead of being bombarded with scary stories of the worst spin possible:

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Boris Johnson leaves hospital as he continues recovery from coronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/12/boris-johnson-leaves-hospital-as-he-continues-recovery-from-coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/12/boris-johnson-leaves-hospital-as-he-continues-recovery-from-coronavirus)

Looks like Boris Johnson is well on his way to full recovery.  We should be comforted by that fact.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 04:29:22 pm
With 20/20 hindsight, perhaps easy to say:

Noam Chomsky:

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"It is a colossal market failure.

"It goes right back to the essence of markets, exacerbated by the neoliberal savage, neoliberal intensification of deep social economic problems.

"It was known for a long time that pandemics are very likely.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1263376/coronavirus-news-uk-cases-deaths-europe-us-vaccine-noam-chomsky-spt (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1263376/coronavirus-news-uk-cases-deaths-europe-us-vaccine-noam-chomsky-spt)

Quote
Russian Football Star Re-Creates Famous Album Covers in Quarantine

(https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/1360/a8/akerzhakov11_92609704.jpg)

More:  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/13/russian-football-star-re-creates-famous-album-covers-in-quarantine-a69968 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/13/russian-football-star-re-creates-famous-album-covers-in-quarantine-a69968)

Witty, reasonably funny.  :silly:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2020, 04:33:15 pm
With 20/20 hindsight, perhaps easy to say:

Noam Chomsky:



OMG!  DID SOMEONE JUST CITE NOAM CHOMSKY ON THIS BOARD???
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 13, 2020, 04:56:04 pm


For those of you who would rather hear the positive aspect instead of being bombarded with scary stories of the worst spin possible:

Looks like Boris Johnson is well on his way to full recovery.  We should be comforted by that fact.

@Hoodat

I found a couple of N95 masks in my workshop yesterday,and took them to the medical clinic where my ex works,and gave them to her. She is the receptionist there and had no masks other than the cheap ones.

I THINK I may have paid something like 5 bucks for a pack of 5 when I bought them,and the damn things are now selling for 30 bucks each to 100 bucks each on ebay.

Some people are so lacking in conscience they shouldn't even be called "people".

I think I might have some more stashed away somewhere inside the shop or one of the project cars in the shop,and if I find them,I will take them to her,too.

Who needs them more than doctors,nurses,and medical receptionists?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 05:05:34 pm

OMG!  DID SOMEONE JUST CITE NOAM CHOMSKY ON THIS BOARD???


Say what you want, this is news. PLEASE DO NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN HERE.   We do have Christians here and I would ask people to respect people's religious sensibilities.

I take it that we shouldn't have any articles on Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Harvey Weinstein and so on here as well. Please show some consistency.

This is one warning, carry out  your smears in this forum and they will be deleted in this forum.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 05:55:26 pm
Boris Johnson released from Hospital.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/13/British-PM-Boris-Johnson-tests-negative-for-COVID-19-upon-hospital-release/6361586772388/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/13/British-PM-Boris-Johnson-tests-negative-for-COVID-19-upon-hospital-release/6361586772388/)

See it here first, like I was first in saying, he was released from ICU.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2020, 06:10:11 pm
@Hoodat

I found a couple of N95 masks in my workshop yesterday,and took them to the medical clinic where my ex works,and gave them to her. She is the receptionist there and had no masks other than the cheap ones.
. . .

I think I might have some more stashed away somewhere inside the shop or one of the project cars in the shop,and if I find them,I will take them to her,too.

Who needs them more than doctors,nurses,and medical receptionists?

Well done, @sneakypete .  I know it must have been difficult showing kindness by giving something to your ex.
Title: EU's von der Leyen threatens Hungary's Orban with legal action
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 06:43:47 pm
Quote
EU's von der Leyen threatens Hungary's Orban with legal action | DW | 12.04.2020
Deutsche Welle (www.dw.com (http://www.dw.com))

EU executive head Ursula von der Leyen has warned Hungary of possible legal proceedings if executive powers to tackle coronavirus go to far. Prime Minister Viktor Orban can now pass decrees without parliament's approval.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen threatened Hungary with legal proceedings over new laws to slow the spread of coronavirus, in comments published on Sunday.

The EU was "ready to act if the restrictions go beyond what is allowed," Von der Leyen told German newspaper Bild am Sonntag.

Read more at:   https://www.dw.com/en/eus-von-der-leyen-threatens-hungarys-orban-with-legal-action/a-53101386 (https://www.dw.com/en/eus-von-der-leyen-threatens-hungarys-orban-with-legal-action/a-53101386)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 13, 2020, 06:46:44 pm
Say what you want, this is news. PLEASE DO NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN HERE.   We do have Christians here and I would ask people to respect people's religious sensibilities.

I take it that we shouldn't have any articles on Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Harvey Weinstein and so on here as well. Please show some consistency.

This is one warning, carry out  your smears in this forum and they will be deleted in this forum.

OMG is taking the Lords's name in vain?  A smear?  You've taken the moderator's role to new comedic levels.  You can't be for real.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 13, 2020, 06:48:07 pm

Agreed
'god' is not a name.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 06:49:03 pm
Forum  Discussion Locked  AND Reopened.  3:40 CST


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 13, 2020, 06:59:54 pm
https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/10-commandments-lords-vain-omg/story?id=8634397 (https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/10-commandments-lords-vain-omg/story?id=8634397)

https://www.compellingtruth.org/OMG.html (https://www.compellingtruth.org/OMG.html)

https://www.gotquestions.org/OMG.html (https://www.gotquestions.org/OMG.html)

https://relevantmagazine.com/god/omg-what-does-it-really-mean-to-use-the-lords-name-in-vain/ (https://relevantmagazine.com/god/omg-what-does-it-really-mean-to-use-the-lords-name-in-vain/)

Plenty is written on it for those with a search engine.

All negative off-topic talk, insults, will be deleted.

Keep it up, and loose what ever micro-spec of respect you have left.
Title: Israel Govt. Selects Colel Chabad to Provide Food to Israel's Poor During Lock-Down
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 07:13:17 pm
Quote
Jerusalem Post Special Content
Israel Govt. Selects Colel Chabad to Provide Food to Israel's Poor During Lock-Down
(JERUSALEM, ISRAEL) In light of the coronavirus pandemic, Israel is currently in the midst of an indefinite lock-down. Only stores that sell food and pharmaceuticals are open.
By LEO GIOSUÈ   APRIL 7, 2020

For them, the government has issued food stamps. There's just one problem: The government doesn't have the infrastructure to distribute these food stamps to those who need them. That's why they had to rely on a private organization for the distribution. And Israel’s social services realized that, of all the charitable organizations in Israel, the one with the best track record of providing food to Israel’s poor is none other than Colel Chabad.

That's why Israel’s Social Welfare Department has drafted Colel Chabad to handle an emergency effort to provide Passover nutritional support to 30,000 families whose livelihoods have been disrupted by the coronavirus crisis. Colel Chabad (est. 1788) is Israel’s oldest and largest social services network, and is the official government contractor to provide food security for Israel’s poorest citizens.

This is a massive logistical undertaking that requires working closely with large and small municipalities in order to identify the most pressing cases. “The time-frame in which all this must be accomplished is brutal,” says Colel Chabad’s Rabbi Shmuel Lipsker. “Pesach is two weeks off, and we have to provide 30,000 families with the ability to shop for the Seder."

More at:  https://www.jpost.com/Special-Content/Israel-Govt-Selects-Colel-Chabad-to-Provide-Food-to-Israels-Poor-During-Lock-Down-623923 (https://www.jpost.com/Special-Content/Israel-Govt-Selects-Colel-Chabad-to-Provide-Food-to-Israels-Poor-During-Lock-Down-623923)
Dennis Prager has been talking about this, look him up for more.

Title: Explained: Kerala flattened the Coronavirus curve with three-pronged strategy
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 07:15:51 pm
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Explained: Kerala flattened the Coronavirus curve with three-pronged strategy
Mudit Bhatnagar

Flying during coronavirus times

On January 30, India reported its first positive case of COVID-19 from the state of Kerala. Within a span of two months, Kerala rapidly emerged as the novel coronavirus hotspot in the country, along with Maharashtra. The two states remained at the top of the table for the most number of patients all through March and it seemed like there was no coming back for them once they breached the 300-mark.

But, as days progressed and COVID-19 rattled the rest of the country, Kerala silently fought the fatal virus and managed a huge turnaround. While Maharashtra's COVID-19 case count went past 2000, Kerala's did not even cross 400. Meanwhile, other states such as Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan, Telangana, Uttar Pradesh, and even Delhi exceeded Kerala by a huge margin.

Kerala did not only manage to flatten the COVID-19 curve but also diligently worked towards curing the infected. As of now, there are 373 positive cases in the state, out of which only 178 are active while 198 have recovered. Besides, Kerala's mortality rate is just a little above 0.5 percent with 2 deaths.

Read more at:  https://www.ibtimes.co.in/explained-kerala-flattened-coronavirus-curve-three-pronged-strategy-817458?utm_source=izooto&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=817458&utm_content=&utm_term= (https://www.ibtimes.co.in/explained-kerala-flattened-coronavirus-curve-three-pronged-strategy-817458?utm_source=izooto&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=817458&utm_content=&utm_term=)
Title: Re: EU's von der Leyen threatens Hungary's Orban with legal action
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 13, 2020, 08:02:40 pm
Hungarexit?
Title: Re: EU's von der Leyen threatens Hungary's Orban with legal action
Post by: dfwgator on April 13, 2020, 08:25:01 pm
How many divisions does the EU have?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 13, 2020, 08:33:17 pm
Forum  Discussion Locked

@TomSea Why is this thread locked...please explain
Title: Re: EU's von der Leyen threatens Hungary's Orban with legal action
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 08:34:21 pm
It is strange to read that they would object to him imposing too strict of measures, that's how I read it.

Most people are doing enough by trying to follow the basics, imho, stay at home. social distancing... those things.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 13, 2020, 08:35:42 pm
@mystery-ak

Okay, it seemed like there were some out-of-order posts but we will reopen if people want that. I will be watching this. Those posts were deleted so can be viewed there.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 13, 2020, 08:38:22 pm
@mystery-ak

Okay, it seemed like there were some out-of-order posts but we will reopen if people want that. I will be watching this. Those posts were deleted so can be viewed there.

I think people want it re-opened..at least the people who have pm'ed me...lol
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 13, 2020, 08:42:41 pm
Well done, @sneakypete .  I know it must have been difficult showing kindness by giving something to your ex.

@Hoodat

Not wanting to give a false impression,our "smoke" was from decades ago,and the doctor that owns the clinic is our daughter.

Found another unopened pack of two N95 masks,and took them to her this afternoon.

I have no doubt I will find more as it goes along. This is the kind of cheap stuff that comes in handy when spraying rust remover,sand blasting small items,weed whacking,etc,etc,etc,and I normally buy stuff like this any time I am in an auto parts store buying something else. Cheaper to just buy it then than buy the gas and make a special trip to buy it when I do need it.

IIRC,I  used to buy packs of 4 or 5 N95 masks for about 5 bucks.

Only a fool keeps on fighting forever.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Axeslinger on April 13, 2020, 08:51:47 pm
That is disheartening.  Possibly explained by faulty tests, or purposeful disinformation.  I'll wait to become depressed about this until our doctors echo the same concerns, but thanx for posting this @TomSea .  It's scary if true.
@Once-Ler  @TomSea
Depends....were the test kits that cleared them some of the ones that came from China that were 90% incorrect?   

Side note:
1.  China hoards Billions of dollars (or tons, can’t remember which) of the worlds supply of PPE.
2.  Virus escapes from Wuhan.
3.  Coincidentally, it’s reported that Wuhan is home of a Bio Weapons facility.
4.  China lies, under-reports and does everything they can to downplay the severity of the outbreak.
5.  They release to the world virus detection tests that are ultimately shown to be 90% incorrect. (How does that statistically even happen?!?!)

If I was a member of the tinfoil hat brigade, why I might start to question that stack-up of curiosities.

Side, side note:   How strategically brilliant would it be to release a virus on the western world that isn’t really that horrific, but would either cripple their health care system, their economy or both, and then RELEASE THE REAL ONE.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2020, 09:27:46 pm
@mystery-ak

Okay, it seemed like there were some out-of-order posts but we will reopen if people want that. I will be watching this. Those posts were deleted so can be viewed there.

@TomSea

Can you please explain what was "out-of-order" about my posts which compelled you to delete them even though they did not violate any TBR posting rule?  I also would like to know why the thread was locked, and how much longer it will be before you repost the wrongly deleted posts.  Thanks in advance.

I would hope that no one here given Admin powers would abuse those powers by deleting posts he/she did not personally like.  There is no place for censorship or viewpoint discrimination here.  If my posts are within the guidelines set, then they should be put back up ASAP.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 01:01:07 am
@mystery-ak

Okay, it seemed like there were some out-of-order posts but we will reopen if people want that. I will be watching this. Those posts were deleted so can be viewed there.

Okay..they are in Archives

No problem with occasionally locking threads until things settle down just tell them why you did it please..

If you have any questions at the time contact me or cyber...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 01:18:56 am
Okay..they are in Archives

No problem with occasionally locking threads until things settle down just tell them why you did it please..

If you have any questions at the time contact me or cyber...

I am at your service, @TomSea. You put in a lot of work keeping these threads straight.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 12:55:30 pm
Spain loosens coronavirus restrictions as nearly 300,000 return to work
By Amanda Woods
April 14, 2020 | 8:31am

Hundreds of thousands of non-essential workers returned to their jobs this week in Spain as the country partially lifted lockdown restrictions.

About 300,000 people who cannot work from home — including those in the construction and manufacturing industries — were allowed to return to work in and around Madrid on Monday, a spokesperson for the capital city’s regional government told CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/europe/spain-lockdown-covid-19-lockdown-eased-intl/index.html).

Shops, bars, restaurants and other businesses considered non-essential remain closed, according to the report.  ...  NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/spain-loosens-coronavirus-restrictions-as-thousands-return-to-work/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 12:59:11 pm
@TomSea

Can you please explain what was "out-of-order" about my posts which compelled you to delete them even though they did not violate any TBR posting rule?  I also would like to know why the thread was locked, and how much longer it will be before you repost the wrongly deleted posts.  Thanks in advance.

I would hope that no one here given Admin powers would abuse those powers by deleting posts he/she did not personally like.  There is no place for censorship or viewpoint discrimination here.  If my posts are within the guidelines set, then they should be put back up ASAP.

Amen.  This admin, deletes at will at anything they don't seem agreeable to, or any good honest candid feedback.  I'll just leave it at that.

The merits of the term "OMG" is a sterling example.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:02:45 pm
@TomSea

Can you please explain what was "out-of-order" about my posts which compelled you to delete them even though they did not violate any TBR posting rule?  I also would like to know why the thread was locked, and how much longer it will be before you repost the wrongly deleted posts.  Thanks in advance.

I would hope that no one here given Admin powers would abuse those powers by deleting posts he/she did not personally like.  There is no place for censorship or viewpoint discrimination here.  If my posts are within the guidelines set, then they should be put back up ASAP.

No one has a right to call out people in big letters here and that is what you were doing.

Saying OMG  and that whole statement was obviously to ridicule someone. Take that to the bank and complain all you want, those posts are on record.

Accusing others of being alarmist or bombarding the boards with certain stories too, is the same. If one wishes to have conversations,  I don't think one holds up others to ridicule.

@Hoodat
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 01:04:21 pm

No one has a right to call out people in big letters here and that is what you were doing

Saying OMG obviously, was to ridicule someone. Take that to the bank and complain all you want, those posts are on record.

Accusing others of being alarmist or bombarding the boards with certain stories too, is the same.


@Hoodat

And accusing somone of being blasphemous by using OMG?  Dude you have lost it......
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 01:09:23 pm
Sorry, if one is taking cheap shots at others, all is fair.

Plenty of Christians see that as blasphemous, I left posts. You want to be a cry baby about it, go ahead.  Talk on topic and not about each other.

Your posts are on record, calling people "Turd" and so on, I wouldn't be talking.

I never claimed to be pious, high and mighty, and am plenty salty.  Versus someone else who seems not to have  the temperment or nuetraility to be an effective Mod.

Just sayin'
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 01:16:36 pm
What would  you know? You never post in world news forum or about anywhere else to begin with. These posts will be deleted if it is a continual personal attack against the well being of this forum. This discussion got closed down because of your personal attacks and it was asked to be reopened.  This is a message.

ALL OFF TOPIC POSTS WILL BE DELETED INCLUDING THIS ABOVE.

To be honest, I avoid anywhere you have moderator rights. 

But....

Thank you for confirming everything everyone suspected.  Have a good day.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Mod2 on April 14, 2020, 01:18:20 pm
Let's get back on topic, please.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 01:28:07 pm
No one has a right to call out people in big letters here and that is what you were doing

Saying OMG obviously, was to ridicule someone. Take that to the bank and complain all you want, those posts are on record.

Accusing others of being alarmist or bombarding the boards with certain stories too, is the same. If one wishes to have conversations,  I don't think one holds up others to ridicule.


@Hoodat
Are you having trouble with your eyes?

Just asking, because you just called someone out with "big letters", something "no one has a right to" do.

What I would like to know, is what "certain stories" are verboten?
Save my carpal tunnels, here, and let me know beforehand what it is that I (or others here) cannot post without it being arbitrarily whisked off to some electronic dumpster.

We also are given to understand that while many of us here are religious (something that goes hand in hand with conservatism), this is not a religious site. 
While as a rule people try to avoid being offensive, exclamations involving the name of the deity, made with respect to incredulous events, are not commonly construed as blaspheming because incredulousness is not a measure of irreverence, and calling on the deity more a reaffirmation of faith, rather than a repudiation thereof.
"OMG", for example, abbreviates the first three words of the Act of Contrition, a common Catholic prayer, a prayer of repentance said after Confession.

If someone just posts something you don't like, well, just engage that on its own merits instead of whisk it off to electronic dumpsterland.
 
Someone else took time to type their response or post the information they did.
I thought we were here to discuss this stuff.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 01:30:18 pm
FWIW, it is my considered opinion that @TomSea HAS grossly abused his admin powers on this thread @mystery-ak
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 01:31:58 pm
FWIW, it is my considered opinion that @TomSea HAS grossly abused his admin powers on this thread @mystery-ak

Wow, he just zapped 3 or 4 of mine, that were within forum guidelines.  This has gotten bad.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:34:48 pm
Wow, he just zapped 3 or 4 of mine, that were within forum guidelines.  This has gotten bad.

Talking on topic are the guidelines, not complaining about others.  Did you read, they looked at your personal attacks, still not saying anything on topic, are you?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 01:36:42 pm
Talking on topic are the guidelines, not complaining about others.  Did you read, they looked at your personal attacks, still not saying anything on topic, are you?

You are sadly confusing "personal attacks" with "honest candid feedback" I can't help that you can't tell the difference.

@mystery-ak  (before you delete another)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:36:44 pm


For those of you who would rather hear the positive aspect instead of being bombarded with scary stories of the worst spin possible:

Looks like Boris Johnson is well on his way to full recovery.  We should be comforted by that fact.

Accusations against others, accusing them of bombarding the board with scary stories to give the worst spin possible.

Not only did I post on when he left ICU, this is a news forum.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:38:11 pm
You are sadly confusing "personal attacks" the "honest candid feedback" I can't help that you can't tell the difference.

@mystery-ak  (before you delete another)

Your posts were looked at. I won't say anything libelous, they were looked at in the deleted posts thread and they were found to be out of line by other people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:42:53 pm

OMG!  DID SOMEONE JUST CITE NOAM CHOMSKY ON THIS BOARD???


How this is nothing short of trying to hold up someone to ridicule by someone who always claims to be conservative and nothing less, I do not know.

It's the news. I'm not sure if he is wrong on this, it merits discussion.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:47:42 pm
Are you having trouble with your eyes?

Just asking, because you just called someone out with "big letters", something "no one has a right to" do.

What I would like to know, is what "certain stories" are verboten?
Save my carpal tunnels, here, and let me know beforehand what it is that I (or others here) cannot post without it being arbitrarily whisked off to some electronic dumpster.

We also are given to understand that while many of us here are religious (something that goes hand in hand with conservatism), this is not a religious site. 
While as a rule people try to avoid being offensive, exclamations involving the name of the deity, made with respect to incredulous events, are not commonly construed as blaspheming because incredulousness is not a measure of irreverence, and calling on the deity more a reaffirmation of faith, rather than a repudiation thereof.
"OMG", for example, abbreviates the first three words of the Act of Contrition, a common Catholic prayer, a prayer of repentance said after Confession.

If someone just posts something you don't like, well, just engage that on its own merits instead of whisk it off to electronic dumpsterland.
 
Someone else took time to type their response or post the information they did.
I thought we were here to discuss this stuff.

Personal attacks are verboten.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 01:48:05 pm
@TomSea I sent you a pm....

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:53:37 pm
Keep it up, and loose what ever micro-spec of respect you have left.
This is the kind of abuse this member hands out.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 01:55:00 pm
And accusing somone of being blasphemous by using OMG?  Dude you have lost it......

Argue with the links, also putting it in big letters to call out somewhere. I mean, your the guy who calls other members "TURD". Nobody discusses matters to people who can't be more conversant than that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 01:56:38 pm
Alrighty then...the posts are being restored so let us all get back on topic please.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:03:24 pm
Taiwan releases December email to WHO showing unheeded warning about coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/world/taiwan-releases-december-email-showing-unheeded-warning-to-who-about-coronavirus)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVUJRR6U4AM_qQi?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 02:03:31 pm


That's enough Tom.....stop it!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:09:42 pm
@TomSea

The fact that YOU take offense to something someone else posts in no way makes that post untrue. I can't help it that you were indoctrinated in school and cannot see the truth for what it is!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 02:12:21 pm
@TomSea

The fact that YOU take offense to something someone else posts in no way makes that post untrue. I can't help it that you were indoctrinated in school and cannot see the truth for what it is!

I'm not the one who has downplayed this virus in the US, must make some people in Beijing happy.  Better dead than red, that's the truth and you have no corner on it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: corbe on April 14, 2020, 02:13:39 pm
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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:14:50 pm
I'm not the one who has downplayed this virus in the US, must make some people in Beijing happy.

I have never once done anything here but tell the plain unvarnished TRUTH.  Sorry that doing that offends you!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 02:18:24 pm
I have never once done anything here but tell the plain unvarnished TRUTH.  Sorry that doing that offends you!

You can't take the truth, you have shown you have to whine and complain about it, your arguments are not strong.

You've downplayed this virus, seemingly making statements only about some low death rate and little more.

Why post what we know that Taiwan notified WHO on this when one has downplayed the effect of the virus. Maybe not hypocrisy but close to it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 02:23:32 pm
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-us-navy-battles-growing-outbreak-hospital/story

Coronavirus updates: US Navy battles growing outbreak on hospital ship

Quote
A growing number of crew members aboard the USNS Mercy hospital ship docked in Los Angeles have tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

A total of seven medical treatment facility crew members have now been infected and are currently isolated off the ship, according to U.S. Navy Cmdr. John Face, a 3rd Fleet spokesman. The first positive case was confirmed on April 9.

Face said everyone who was considered to have been in close contact with the infected individuals remain in quarantine off the ship and have tested negative, with the exception of one crew member who was the fifth positive case.

more unintended consequences at link
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:25:39 pm
You can't take the truth, you have shown you have to whine and complain about it, your arguments are not strong.

You've downplayed this virus, seemingly making statements only about some low death rate and little more.

Why post what we know that Taiwan notified WHO on this when one has downplayed the effect of the virus. Maybe not hypocrisy but close to it.

Whatever YOU say @TomSea! I'm sorry that CV-19 has apparently caused you to lose your mind!  My argument are my argument and I'm perfectly happy to let them rest on their strength alone.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 02:27:47 pm
Whatever YOU say @TomSea! I'm sorry that CV-19 has apparently caused you to lose your mind!  My argument are my argument and I'm perfectly happy to let them rest on their strength alone.

Personal Attack! Can't engage in a conversation so resorts to insults but I think we already knew that. @Bigun

Whatever you say, I didn't abandon the unborn because I didn't like a candidate, must be a real feather in one's hat.  Let's remember that, that's gold in facing any cheapshot artist.

Oh yeah, notable endeavor, say the war between the states was wrong and abandoning innocents.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 02:29:42 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250063051182747651

Quote
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Cuomo’s been calling daily, even hourly, begging for everything, most of which should have been the state’s responsibility, such as new hospitals, beds, ventilators, etc. I got it all done for him, and everyone else, and now he seems to want Independence! That won’t happen!
9:07 AM · Apr 14, 2020

Looks like the Trump/Cuomo bromance is over in the President's mind. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 02:33:20 pm
Age, obesity are biggest risk factors for COVID-19 hospitalization
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/age-and-obesity-are-biggest-risk-factors-for-covid-19-hospitalization/
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:34:03 pm
Personal Attack! Can't engage in a conversation so resorts to insults but I think we already knew that. @Bigun

 999yawn  888mouth  :seeya:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: corbe on April 14, 2020, 02:34:09 pm
   Thanks @Once-Ler for trying to get this Thread back on track.   :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 02:37:39 pm
999yawn  888mouth  :seeya:

Yeah, we know what the TRUTH is, some did not vote for Trump and therefore, abandoned the unborn.    :yowsa:

So, take that with your complaints.  @Bigun
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 14, 2020, 02:43:11 pm
Hey!  I don't comment much but I am a regular to this thread.  I come here for information and to read the commentary of people I respect from around the land.  It is important to me.  I don't want this thread to erode into petty squabbling.  Please. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:45:26 pm
Hey!  I don't comment much but I am a regular to this thread.  I come here for information and to read the commentary of people I respect from around the land.  It is important to me.  I don't want this thread to erode into petty squabbling.  Please.

You need to address your remarks to the resident hall monitor who seems to think it is perfectly fine for him to remove any post HE disagrees with @Lando Lincoln
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 02:46:08 pm
BBC says "hundreds of extra UK deaths revealed" on the lead in page.   https://www.bbc.com/news/world (https://www.bbc.com/news/world)


Quote
The figures, which cover every community death linked to Covid-19 in England and Wales, showed that a total of 406 such deaths registered up to 3 April had occurred outside of hospitals.

Of those extra deaths, 217 took place in care homes, 33 in hospices, 136 in private homes, three in other communal establishments and 17 elsewhere.

About 410,000 people live in 11,300 care homes for older people in the UK, supplied by 5,500 different providers.

See more at:   https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52275989 (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52275989)
Quote
Coronavirus cases in Brazil 12 times higher the official numbers, says study
Based on the latest reports, the number of confirmed cases in Brazil stands at 23,723 and the number of casualties has risen to 1,355
    By Jeevan Biswas       April 14, 2020 17:05 +08

The official count of coronavirus cases in Brazil does not reflect the ground reality, says a new study by researchers at a consortium of Brazilian universities and institutes. According to the study, the country possibly has 12 times more cases than the officially reported numbers.

Known as the Center for Health Operations and Intelligence, the consortium estimated that only 8 percent of the cases have been reported by authorities. This has led to a higher-than-expected death rate, indicating underreporting of cases.

Read more at:  https://www.ibtimes.sg/coronavirus-cases-brazil-12-times-higher-official-numbers-says-study-43013?utm_source=izooto&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=43013&utm_content=&utm_term= (https://www.ibtimes.sg/coronavirus-cases-brazil-12-times-higher-official-numbers-says-study-43013?utm_source=izooto&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=43013&utm_content=&utm_term=)

Bad news for Brazil.  It's a study, so take that into consideration, stats I'm sure.

Bolsonaro may have erred big time.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 14, 2020, 02:47:48 pm
You need to address your remarks to the resident hall monitor who seems to think it is perfectly fine for him to remove any post HE disagrees with @Lando Lincoln

Mine was a general remark. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 02:53:19 pm
Hey!  I don't comment much but I am a regular to this thread.  I come here for information and to read the commentary of people I respect from around the land.  It is important to me.  I don't want this thread to erode into petty squabbling.  Please.

Thank you,

I have one of the two people involved in this particular argument on Ignore for the duration of this pandemic because all he seems to be able to do is mock anyone who actually discusses the virus.....

And @TomSea  hasn't "lost his mind."  He's working hard to keep the rest of us informed, and I, for one, am grateful.

Please Ignore the taunting, Tom.  You are doing a great service in posting all the information you've been giving us.

MOST of us can evaluate it intelligently.  SOME want you to stop giving us the choice.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 02:53:56 pm
   Thanks @Once-Ler for trying to get this Thread back on track.   :beer:
:beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 02:55:02 pm
Mine was a general remark.

Which is why I directed you to the problem.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 03:04:02 pm
And accusing somone of being blasphemous by using OMG?  Dude you have lost it......

Oh, I don't know about that......... unless the "G" stands for "goodness," then it IS blasphemy.

But that's pretty off topic.

I just wanted to make it clear that Tom isn't the only one who believes it is.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 03:04:02 pm
Quote
Wuhan coronavirus scientists injected bat virus into piglets & fed to hogs
Henry Holloway

A WUHAN lab linked to the coronavirus pandemic took part in experiments with a bat virus which they injected into pigs before the animals were ground up and fed to other hogs.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) were involved in the experiment - along with other tests involving viruses and bats - after receiving $3.7 (£3m) grant from the US Government.

Covid-19 was originally thought to have come from a so-called “wet market” in the Chinese city.

Read more at:  https://www.the-sun.com/news/679965/wuhan-coronavirus-scientists-bat-virus-injection-pig-cannibal/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly (https://www.the-sun.com/news/679965/wuhan-coronavirus-scientists-bat-virus-injection-pig-cannibal/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 03:06:57 pm
Wuhan coronavirus scientists injected bat virus into piglets & fed to hogs

Isn't that how Mad Cow Disease got propagated?   IIRC, they were feeding cattle bone meal to other cattle as a food supplement.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 03:07:59 pm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/04/14/wwe-deemed-essential-business-florida-coroanvirus-pandemic-ron-desantis/2987675001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/04/14/wwe-deemed-essential-business-florida-coroanvirus-pandemic-ron-desantis/2987675001/)

WWE deemed 'essential business' by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis

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As states across the country prohibit the mass gatherings that make sporting events possible, Florida has declared professional sports league employees and their media partners "essential services."

With that, WWE can resume operating after Gov. Ron DeSantis gave a statewide "shelter-in-place" order on April 3 that will expire on April 30 at the earliest.

"With some conversation with the governor's office regarding the governor's order, they were deemed an essential business. And so, therefore, they were allowed to remain open," Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings said during a news conference Monday.

I think I speak for all of America when I say "Hell Yeah!!!"
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 03:09:31 pm
Isn't that how Mad Cow Disease got propagated?   IIRC, they were feeding cattle bone meal to other cattle as a food supplement.

You are correct, Sir.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 03:12:12 pm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/04/14/wwe-deemed-essential-business-florida-coroanvirus-pandemic-ron-desantis/2987675001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/04/14/wwe-deemed-essential-business-florida-coroanvirus-pandemic-ron-desantis/2987675001/)

WWE deemed 'essential business' by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis

I think I speak for all of America when I say "Hell Yeah!!!"

Never underestimate the importance of keeping the bread and circuses coming.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 03:12:58 pm
I just want to ask one question here, and maybe on the other thread.......

There are some who keep pounding their point that Coronavirus deaths are actually deaths from other things, comorbidities and such......... and are also pointing to flu deaths as being larger in number than COVID deaths.  (Even though this virus is still very new and hasn't peaked yet).

My question is, are all those flu deaths from the flu, or from complications of the flu caused by other medical issues?  For instance, the flu often develops into pneumonia (as does COVID).  Are those deaths attributed to flu, or to pneumonia?   Do we know?  And isn't that relevant in an honest discussion?

The point is, without the flu, would those people still be alive?  And without COVID, would the people who died from comorbidities still be alive?

Let's hold off on the conspiracy theories until all the facts are in.   They won't be in a for a long time.

At that point, with a fair comparison with flu deaths, maybe the claim that the virus deaths are inflated may have some merit.....

But not until then.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 03:15:13 pm
Iceland finds that half its citizens with coronavirus have shown no symptoms (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/iceland-finds-that-half-its-citizens-with-coronavirus-have-shown-no-symptoms-2020-04-10)

Sewage shows we’re undercounting coronavirus cases – by a lot, MA researchers say (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241908771.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 03:16:18 pm
I just want to ask one question here, and maybe on the other thread.......

There are some who keep pounding their point that Coronavirus deaths are actually deaths from other things, comorbidities and such......... and are also pointing to flu deaths as being larger in number than COVID deaths.  (Even though this virus is still very new and hasn't peaked yet).

My question is, are all those flu deaths from the flu, or from complications of the flu caused by other medical issues?  For instance, the flu often develops into pneumonia (as does COVID).  Are those deaths attributed to flu, or to pneumonia?   Do we know?  And isn't that relevant in an honest discussion?

The point is, without the flu, would those people still be alive?  And without COVID, would the people who died from comorbidities still be alive?

Let's hold off on the conspiracy theories until all the facts are in.   They won't be in a for a long time.

At that point, with a fair comparison with flu deaths, maybe the claim that the virus deaths are inflated may have some merit.....

But not until then.
Agreed.   goopo
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 03:19:17 pm
I just want to ask one question here, and maybe on the other thread.......

There are some who keep pounding their point that Coronavirus deaths are actually deaths from other things, comorbidities and such......... and are also pointing to flu deaths as being larger in number than COVID deaths.  (Even though this virus is still very new and hasn't peaked yet).

My question is, are all those flu deaths from the flu, or from complications of the flu caused by other medical issues?  For instance, the flu often develops into pneumonia (as does COVID).  Are those deaths attributed to flu, or to pneumonia?   Do we know?  And isn't that relevant in an honest discussion?

The point is, without the flu, would those people still be alive?  And without COVID, would the people who died from comorbidities still be alive?

Let's hold off on the conspiracy theories until all the facts are in.   They won't be in a for a long time.

At that point, with a fair comparison with flu deaths, maybe the claim that the virus deaths are inflated may have some merit.....

But not until then.

That's a good question to be asking.  How many patients died from the virus, vs how many just died with it?  Would the patient have died if he/she didn't have it?  That's a tough call for a Medial Examiner, or an attending Physician.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 03:21:15 pm
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1249793158310920197

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Jake Sherman @JakeSherman
HOYER to House Dems: "Members are advised that absent an emergency, the House is not expected to meet prior to Monday, May 4, 2020. "
3:14 PM · Apr 13, 2020
Didn't my President declare a National Emergency?  Didn't he declare all 50 states under disaster declaration for first time in US history?  Oh well I hope the rats are resting soundly despite all the distracting wails of mourning.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2020, 03:27:31 pm
That's a good question to be asking.  How many patients died from the virus, vs how many just died with it?  Would the patient have died if he/she didn't have it?  That's a tough call for a Medial Examiner, or an attending Physician.

Here's the question I would ask under these circumstances (FWIW),,,,"If not for the coronavirus, would the patient be alive?"


@Cyber Liberty
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 03:28:42 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250075668282576898

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Tell the Democrat Governors that “Mutiny On The Bounty” was one of my all time favorite movies. A good old fashioned mutiny every now and then is an exciting and invigorating thing to watch, especially when the mutineers need so much from the Captain. Too easy!
9:57 AM · Apr 14, 2020
Today is going to be an insane day.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 03:30:44 pm
Here's the question I would ask under these circumstances (FWIW),,,,"If not for the coronavirus, would the patient be alive?"


@Cyber Liberty

Exactly.  That could sometimes be pretty difficult to call, and it's not surprising to hear Docs have incentive to call them COVID deaths, even if it was just one of several conditions.  That said, the numbers we have are what they are.  I'm not interested in going down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 03:33:53 pm
This backstabbing isn't a surprise but what can you say when someone DEFENDS SLAVERY, makes statements like "And nothing you or I will change that" for conversation and dwells about some death rate as being under 1% when a pandemic has killed what must be nearing 25,000 Americans.
Whoa. Slow down. Take a deep breath and step away from your keyboard for a minute. All people are seeking is fairness and consistency, not you agreeing with every word they post, nor should you seek that they agree with every word you post.
@TomSea Yours is a tough job, to eliminate that which is universally offensive, break up fights, and clean up various and sundry inappropriate content. It can be hard to draw that line, especially if you let your personal feelings step in.

But there will be disagreement, even on what may be inappropriate.
 
After all, If we all agreed on everything, one person would post and the rest of the thread would be
 :yowsa:
 888high58888
 :beer:


We're doing more than that, here. We're drawing from a wide variety of sources, some I believe to be mostly accurate, some I seriously doubt are worth the paper they aren't printed on, and many with obvious political or profit motivated agendae.
That's what we're here to do. Look at it all. Hash out the difference between the credible and the nonsense, to separate the wheat from the chaff, not in terms of individuals so much as sources, and in terms of the information available out there.

There's a ton of 'information', and it's mostly garbage, depending on the source, but there are pearls in that hog lot.

We, collectively, drawing on the often specialized knowledge and the intelligence of folks here, have the ability to use our capacity for critical thinking and weigh the value of the sources, the merit of the statements, to find what was removed from context and distorted and restore it to the logical framework it was pried from, to make it rhetorically whole, so it can be properly assessed. This is the power we have as a group.   

Even then, we will not always draw the same conclusions from the same data. There would be few scientific journals if everyone did, nothing to debate, all would be Q.E.D.
But life is messy. So, too is knowledge, and even more so, the path to wisdom, cluttered with discarded presumptions and fallacies and foibles once held dear, but now known to be too cumbersome for the ascent to clear thought and unvarnished truth.

But part of that truth, especially in this context, is an inevitability.
Life is deadly. No one gets out alive.
It is a question of when and how, not IF our lives will end.
We do our best to give good account of ourselves while we're here, to hopefully leave a legacy for those we leave behind, either in tradition, spirit, riches in character, honor, or material goods, or all of those--some cause to remember us, and for those of us who care, to serve our Creator as best we can while we are here.
 
Though we may disagree on this fine point, every life which ends, when and where it ends, is part of His plan, and in my estimation, that includes my own life. No man knows his time. I have had plenty of opportunities to die, just have managed to avoid using them, at times by very thin margins, often without any injury at all.
When my time comes it will as likely be because of something silly as something of profound impact, but until that time (my time) comes, He protects me. He knows that time, not me. In Him is my faith, and I just keep my eyes open to help Him out a little.

These are difficult times with great emphasis on a disease we see as killing (so far in the US) as many as might inhabit a small town (by urban standards). It isn't over yet. We do not know what fate may have awaited these people otherwise, and it is moot. We do know (despite claims of irrelevancy) that many times more die each year of other causes, but because of the novel, unknown, and frankly terrifying and seemingly random nature of this disease, we take fright all out of proportion to it's track record, when driving to stores in quest of something to wipe our bum might actually be more hazardous, even with the reduction in traffic.

Some of us have tried to interject some perspective to quell the all too human sense of panic we feel when our Limbic Brain steps in, screaming at our higher cortical functions to fight or flee, in an effort to restore that which makes us separate from the lower animals aside from an immortal soul--the ability to reason.

There are other minds out there, seeking answers, asking good questions, looking for solutions, just as there are those who seek to distort our view of that which is going on around us.  It is up to us to discern, as best we can, who is who, and what is what, and it doesn't hurt to keep some semblance of a sense of humour along the way.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 03:41:40 pm
There are other minds out there, seeking answers, asking good questions, looking for solutions, just as there are those who seek to distort our view of that which is going on around us.  It is up to us to discern, as best we can, who is who, and what is what, and it doesn't hurt to keep some semblance of a sense of humour along the way.

Really good post @Smokin Joe .  Too good to pick apart the few points I disagree with.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2020, 03:43:59 pm
Exactly.  That could sometimes be pretty difficult to call, and it's not surprising to hear Docs have incentive to call them COVID deaths, even if it was just one of several conditions. 

This is my opinion, only ...  I don't think it's a difficult call.  If a cancer patient is killed in an automobile accident, the cause of death is not listed as cancer (as much as insurance companies would appreciate it). If not for the accident, he/she would be alive.  So, it's reasonable that a person with diabetes who contracts the coronavirus and dies, dies of the coronavirus.  If not for the virus, the person would be alive.

I'd caution care in drilling down to preexisting conditions as the cause of death.  Come the age of both government run health insurance and health care, preexisting conditions would too easily become justification for denying both for new medical condition.

@Cyber Liberty




Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 03:45:07 pm
Here's the question I would ask under these circumstances (FWIW),,,,"If not for the coronavirus, would the patient be alive?"


@Cyber Liberty
That's one I have been asking all along. How many died with it instead of of it? Did the virus just exacerbate a pre-existing and potentially lethal condition or did it do the dirty work? It's easier to determine if someone had a heart attack and then had the wreck than it is to determine if they had the heart attack because they were in a car accident.

Either way, discerning what was just the contributing factor is something like counting how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  We know that together, the result is lethal with statistical significance.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 03:45:26 pm
Age, obesity are biggest risk factors for COVID-19 hospitalization
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/age-and-obesity-are-biggest-risk-factors-for-covid-19-hospitalization/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/age-and-obesity-are-biggest-risk-factors-for-covid-19-hospitalization/)
I linked on one of the other coronavirus threads  (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2189688.html#msg2189688)the story about researchers at NYU connecting obesity to the need for hospitalization of covid-19 patients. I live in the first- or second-most obese and/or unhealthy state in the US (WV and MS are always in a contest for who's #1 in that category), and we have only 9 deaths thus far. Actually, we have a pretty low death rate among those diagnosed, curiously enough.  Officials don't release such info, but I have wondered exactly which underlying conditions existed among those who died.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 03:47:11 pm
Whoa. Slow down. Take a deep breath and step away from your keyboard for a minute. All people are seeking is fairness and consistency, not you agreeing with every word they post, nor should you seek that they agree with every word you post.
@TomSea Yours is a tough job, to eliminate that which is universally offensive, break up fights, and clean up various and sundry inappropriate content. It can be hard to draw that line, especially if you let your personal feelings step in.

But there will be disagreement, even on what may be inappropriate.
 
After all, If we all agreed on everything, one person would post and the rest of the thread would be
 :yowsa:
 888high58888
 :beer:


We're doing more than that, here. We're drawing from a wide variety of sources, some I believe to be mostly accurate, some I seriously doubt are worth the paper they aren't printed on, and many with obvious political or profit motivated agendae.
That's what we're here to do. Look at it all. Hash out the difference between the credible and the nonsense, to separate the wheat from the chaff, not in terms of individuals so much as sources, and in terms of the information available out there.

There's a ton of 'information', and it's mostly garbage, depending on the source, but there are pearls in that hog lot.

We, collectively, drawing on the often specialized knowledge and the intelligence of folks here, have the ability to use our capacity for critical thinking and weigh the value of the sources, the merit of the statements, to find what was removed from context and distorted and restore it to the logical framework it was pried from, to make it rhetorically whole, so it can be properly assessed. This is the power we have as a group.   

Even then, we will not always draw the same conclusions from the same data. There would be few scientific journals if everyone did, nothing to debate, all would be Q.E.D.
But life is messy. So, too is knowledge, and even more so, the path to wisdom, cluttered with discarded presumptions and fallacies and foibles once held dear, but now known to be too cumbersome for the ascent to clear thought and unvarnished truth.

But part of that truth, especially in this context, is an inevitability.
Life is deadly. No one gets out alive.
It is a question of when and how, not IF our lives will end.
We do our best to give good account of ourselves while we're here, to hopefully leave a legacy for those we leave behind, either in tradition, spirit, riches in character, honor, or material goods, or all of those--some cause to remember us, and for those of us who care, to serve our Creator as best we can while we are here.
 
Though we may disagree on this fine point, every life which ends, when and where it ends, is part of His plan, and in my estimation, that includes my own life. No man knows his time. I have had plenty of opportunities to die, just have managed to avoid using them, at times by very thin margins, often without any injury at all.
When my time comes it will as likely be because of something silly as something of profound impact, but until that time (my time) comes, He protects me. He knows that time, not me. In Him is my faith, and I just keep my eyes open to help Him out a little.

These are difficult times with great emphasis on a disease we see as killing (so far in the US) as many as might inhabit a small town (by urban standards). It isn't over yet. We do not know what fate may have awaited these people otherwise, and it is moot. We do know (despite claims of irrelevancy) that many times more die each year of other causes, but because of the novel, unknown, and frankly terrifying and seemingly random nature of this disease, we take fright all out of proportion to it's track record, when driving to stores in quest of something to wipe our bum might actually be more hazardous, even with the reduction in traffic.

Some of us have tried to interject some perspective to quell the all too human sense of panic we feel when our Limbic Brain steps in, screaming at our higher cortical functions to fight or flee, in an effort to restore that which makes us separate from the lower animals aside from an immortal soul--the ability to reason.

There are other minds out there, seeking answers, asking good questions, looking for solutions, just as there are those who seek to distort our view of that which is going on around us.  It is up to us to discern, as best we can, who is who, and what is what, and it doesn't hurt to keep some semblance of a sense of humour along the way.

The post was deleted, thus, I don't know how you dug that up but I guarantee you, if one goes to one Civil War forum,

https://civilwartalk.com/

Over and over again, if one is defending the cause of the South, it is said they are truly in effect,  defending slavery.  That's all there was to it, it's a moral wrong. period.  More expert opinions are there certainly than mine, FR too, has had numerous discussions on slavery.

I don't think people call out others on being conservative or at least, being a pro-life conservative, when, at the same time, they didn't protect life through their vote last time.  Period. We've dropped this part of the conversation, I will not continue.  This can continue on the pro-life boards or at that civil war forum.

And believe me, since I voted for Trump, I'm very interested in how this COVID-19 was and is handled.

The above poster too, no names, who wrote in big letters, has a habit of doing that. I think that is probably forum taunting and improper behavior as well, let's remember, no posts were removed until an after-party came in continually brow-beating someone. We should get by that now.  I just decided to delete all of them then.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 03:47:54 pm
I linked on one of the other coronavirus threads  (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2189688.html#msg2189688)the story about researchers at NYU connecting obesity to the need for hospitalization of covid-19 patients. I live in the first- or second-most obese and/or unhealthy state in the US (WV and MS are always in a contest for who's #1 in that category), and we have only 9 deaths thus far. Actually, we have a pretty low death rate among those diagnosed, curiously enough.  Officials don't release such info, but I have wondered exactly which underlying conditions existed among those who died.
I think that in both instances, the superficial characteristics of age and obesity indicate greater likelyhood of having one or more of the other underlying medical conditions: Heart disease, diabetes, COPD or other respiratory problems, high blood pressure, are all more common in older and more obese populations.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 03:49:26 pm
Really good post @Smokin Joe .  Too good to pick apart the few points I disagree with.
Thank you. We will all disagree, sooner or later. But if we focus on finding the truth, there is a chance we will.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 03:53:52 pm
This is my opinion, only ...  I don't think it's a difficult call.  If a cancer patient is killed in an automobile accident, the cause of death is not listed as cancer (as much as insurance companies would appreciate it). If not for the accident, he/she would be alive.  So, it's reasonable that a person with diabetes who contracts the coronavirus and dies, dies of the coronavirus.  If not for the virus, the person would be alive.

I'd caution care in drilling down to preexisting conditions as the cause of death.  Come the age of both government run health insurance and health care, preexisting conditions would too easily become justification for denying both for new medical condition.

@Cyber Liberty
I noticed one of the questions in the probability matrix was if the patient was white, so I suspect there is already a movement afoot to try to inject race into the mix. Without evidence of clear genetic predispositions along those lines or some other pathology common only due to race, and considering age and obesity are fairly superficial medical characteristics in and of themselves, I am having a hard time getting around the parameters and potential abuse thereof than seeing them as valid parameters for comparison.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 03:54:58 pm
I think that in both instances, the superficial characteristics of age and obesity indicate greater likelyhood of having one or more of the other underlying medical conditions: Heart disease, diabetes, COPD or other respiratory problems, high blood pressure, are all more common in older and more obese populations.
True, and I don't know how deeply the NYU team explored whether those obese people also had diabetes, etc.

As I noted on the other thread, I read a news story about a 25 y/o male in WV who died from the virus. Turns out he was morbidly obese and had high blood pressure even when he was a teen. A week or two ago, I looked at some stats and calculated that at least 98.5% of the virus deaths were people with those types of preexisting conditions (based on the limited info provided). I wonder whether the most up-to-date stats are consistent.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 04:00:50 pm
The post was deleted, thus, I don't know how you dug that up but I guarantee you, if one goes to one Civil War forum,

https://civilwartalk.com/

Over and over again, if one is defending the cause of the South, it is said they are truly in effect,  defending slavery.  That's all there was to it, it's a moral wrong. period.  More expert opinions are there certainly than mine, FR too, has had numerous discussions on slavery.

I don't think people call out others on being conservative or at least, being a pro-life conservative, when, at the same time, they didn't protect life through their vote last time.  Period. We've dropped this part of the conversation, I will not continue.  This can continue on the pro-life boards or at that civil war forum.

And believe me, since I voted for Trump, I'm very interested in how this COVID-19 was and is handled.

The above poster too, no names, who wrote in big letters, has a habit of doing that. I think that is probably forum taunting and improper behavior as well, let's remember, no posts were removed until an after-party came in continually brow-beating someone. We should get by that now.  I just decided to delete all of them then.

And some of us do not give one hoot in hell what anything is said to be! (What you posted there @TomSea is classic propaganda specifically designed to squelch dissent) We care what the TRUTH is!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 04:10:13 pm
The post was deleted, thus, I don't know how you dug that up but I guarantee you, if one goes to one Civil War forum,

https://civilwartalk.com/

Over and over again, if one is defending the cause of the South, it is said they are truly in effect,  defending slavery.  That's all there was to it, it's a moral wrong. period.  More expert opinions are there certainly than mine, FR too, has had numerous discussions on slavery.

I don't think people call out others on being conservative or at least, being a pro-life conservative, when, at the same time, they didn't protect life through their vote last time.  Period. We've dropped this part of the conversation, I will not continue.  This can continue on the pro-life boards or at that civil war forum.

And believe me, since I voted for Trump, I'm very interested in how this COVID-19 was and is handled.

The above poster too, no names, who wrote in big letters, has a habit of doing that. I think that is probably forum taunting and improper behavior as well, let's remember, no posts were removed until an after-party came in continually brow-beating someone. We should get by that now.  I just decided to delete all of them then.
I made no mention of slavery, and it is not germane to fight the War of Northern Aggression over again in a thread about the Coronavirus.
I will only say my ancestors fought for their homeland, against invasion, an invasion which persisted until the very Constitution of that state had been changed, by legislators virtually handpicked by the occupiers, who did not lift Martial Law and leave the State until the 1870s. The history you read was most likely written by those who invaded, and possesses all the distortions of fact needed to justify the invasion in the minds of those who are limited to those accounts. I agree slavery is morally wrong, but that was not the casus belli, only a palatable moral imperative cited after the fact. Many Union soldiers fought for the Union, not to free slaves, and that announcement during the Battle of Fredericksburg caused notable dissent in the Union ranks.

Much more recently, many of us who voted for third party candidates also voted for pro-life candidates.

As a Living, breathing American, I am interested in how SARS-CoV-2 is dealt with, and the disease it causes.
I am disgusted at those who choose to wield this crisis as a political tool, and distort not just words but actions in order to do so. It stands in the way of doing good science, and good science is what we need right now, with no small measure of Divine Guidance and Intervention. I call solidly for both.

Everyone is a mite frayed, so can we please try to not carry over other posts on other threads into the discussion of the virus, and I will do the same.  There is plenty here to concern ourselves with.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 04:11:29 pm
Let's all get back to discussing the world stories about the COVID-19 pandemic, and cease the critiques of the Member to whom Nancy and I have delegated the management of this Category! 

There are days this can be really difficult, and Tom has been doing a great job of it.  Tom has our support, and if/when there is a problem, it's for our two Admins to discuss privately.

That is all,
now back to the original topic of this thread, please!  TIA.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 04:17:01 pm
True, and I don't know how deeply the NYU team explored whether those obese people also had diabetes, etc.

As I noted on the other thread, I read a news story about a 25 y/o male in WV who died from the virus. Turns out he was morbidly obese and had high blood pressure even when he was a teen. A week or two ago, I looked at some stats and calculated that at least 98.5% of the virus deaths were people with those types of preexisting conditions (based on the limited info provided). I wonder whether the most up-to-date stats are consistent.
I wondered about that. A guy I knew in High School had a heart attack at 17, a strapping young man in apparent good health. Thankfully, it was recognized, however incredulously, and he survived.

I only have some of the data from North Dakota, and so far, 100% of those who have died with the virus have had "underlying medical conditions". The one new death was in the "over 80" age group.
I must note that today is the first day the number of active cases in the State has actually gone down (and by more than the death rate), and hopefully we will see more of that trend.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 04:26:53 pm
Everyone is a mite frayed, so can we please try to not carry over other posts on other threads into the discussion of the virus, and I will do the same.  There is plenty here to concern ourselves with.
@Smokin Joe I'm truly impressed by this second extension of an olive branch.  I rarely do it, but I don't think that make me better.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 04:31:05 pm
@Smokin Joe I'm truly impressed by this second extension of an olive branch.  I rarely do it, but I don't think that make me better.

Naw, it just makes you a Human, just like the rest of us.   :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 04:33:23 pm
Let's all get back to discussing the world stories about the COVID-19 pandemic, and cease the critiques of the Member to whom Nancy and I have delegated the management of this Category! 

There are days this can be really difficult, and Tom has been doing a great job of it.  Tom has our support, and if/when there is a problem, it's for our two Admins to discuss privately.

That is all,
now back to the original topic of this thread, please!  TIA.

@TomSea has my support too.  He's usually twice as fair as you @Cyber Liberty and you're a good man.   :seeya:  I envy none of you for the work it takes to moderate people like me @mystery-ak  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 14, 2020, 04:35:11 pm
Whatever YOU say @TomSea! I'm sorry that CV-19 has apparently caused you to lose your mind!  My argument are my argument and I'm perfectly happy to let them rest on their strength alone.

@Bigun   @TomSea

Speaking as someone who is neutral and hasn't even read most of the posts you both refer to,it SEEMS to ME like this is more personal than political between the two of you,and MAYBE it might be better if you both stopped posting to each other for a while so you can cool down and return to normal?

This is NOT a personal dig on either of you. We all have our moments where we get too personally involved with the posting flow back and forth,and drag an argument from one threat to another.

Well,not ME,of course. I am perfect in every way.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 04:36:47 pm
@Bigun   @TomSea

Speaking as someone who is neutral and hasn't even read most of the posts you both refer to,it SEEMS to ME like this is more personal than political between the two of you,and MAYBE it might be better if you both stopped posting to each other for a while so you can cool down and return to normal?

This is NOT a personal dig on either of you. We all have our moments where we get too personally involved with the posing flow back and forth,and drag an argument from one threat to another.

Well,not ME,of course. I am perfect in every way.

Most days, my friend... wink777
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 04:39:39 pm
https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1249830696299921409

Quote
Senator Ted Cruz@SenTedCruz
America is strongest when we’re united. That’s why @SenGillibrand  & I are launching the #CombatCOVID19Challenge – to encourage Americans to support each other as we all #CombatCOVID19.
 
I'm challenging @GovernorPerry , @SylvesterTurner , @MattressMack to join us within 48 hours.
5:43 PM · Apr 13, 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVhN21aXgAAvyPC.jpg)

See Sen Cruz in face mask and gloves at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 04:43:49 pm
That's a good question to be asking.  How many patients died from the virus, vs how many just died with it?  Would the patient have died if he/she didn't have it?  That's a tough call for a Medial Examiner, or an attending Physician.

Right.  A tough call.

Which is why, IMO, the assumption being made by some that people, in NYC for example, are NOT dying from COVID and that the numbers are being padded somehow, seems to be fraught with conspiracy ideas rather than the patience to wait for facts.  The physicians and ME's in NYC have been overwhelmed by the numbers and the unprepared hospitals, so that anything coming out of that hot mess need to be considered in that light.

I think that, rather than assuming that everything is some sort of conspiracy to make this seem somehow worse than it actually is...... though I find it hard to believe that anyone with eyes open doesn't realize how bad it really is...... we all need to wait for the actual numbers.

In addition, the argument that more people die from the flu needs to have the facts on the table.  How did the flu kill them?  Did it turn into pneumonia because of their age or emphysema, and if so, wasn't it their age or emphysema that killed them and NOT the flu?

My point in that is that in order to form a comparison (which some are doing) and say that the flu death numbers were worse, we need to know if people who just got the flu died, or if other health factors caused those deaths.  (Not to mention in how short a time people have died from COVID).

Goose, gander, and all that........
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 04:46:22 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250075668282576898
Today is going to be an insane day.

Someone needs to tell DJT, that things ended up pretty dire for Captain Bligh.  BTW, is he equating his leadership and management style to Bligh?  I sure hope not.   :cool:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 04:52:56 pm
@Bigun   @TomSea

Speaking as someone who is neutral and hasn't even read most of the posts you both refer to,it SEEMS to ME like this is more personal than political between the two of you,and MAYBE it might be better if you both stopped posting to each other for a while so you can cool down and return to normal?

This is NOT a personal dig on either of you. We all have our moments where we get too personally involved with the posting flow back and forth,and drag an argument from one threat to another.

Well,not ME,of course. I am perfect in every way.

@sneakpete

In my case, it is not personal. But you can rest assured that I will never stand still for anyone arbitrarily removing posts that may not be to the liking of any moderator here or anywhere else for that matter
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 04:53:04 pm
Someone needs to tell DJT, that things ended up pretty dire for Capatin Bligh.  BTW, is he equating his leadership and managemnt style to Bligh?  I sure hope not.   :cool:

That tweet made the trip from the sublime to the ridiculous.  An unforced error, as @EasyAce would say.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on April 14, 2020, 04:56:31 pm
Let's all get back to discussing the world stories about the COVID-19 pandemic, and cease the critiques of the Member to whom Nancy and I have delegated the management of this Category! 

There are days this can be really difficult, and Tom has been doing a great job of it.  Tom has our support, and if/when there is a problem, it's for our two Admins to discuss privately.

That is all,
now back to the original topic of this thread, please!  TIA.

NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 04:58:45 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

 **nononono*
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2020, 04:59:08 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

ROFL!   Say it isn't so!    /s
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 05:00:32 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

PM...  Pls. read.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 05:08:22 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

...extra points for the HHGTTG reference.... 888mouth
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 05:15:26 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

@roamer_1 I hope you will also recognize me as a friend, as I do you.  I've learned a lot of facts, and different ways to see those facts from you, so thank you too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 05:22:23 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

Bitter grapes. glad we see the great Christian cussing, just look at how much substance about the topic is in this thread you've given on this discussion itself.  Another Never-Trumper crying about it.

The lion's share of that is to counter my tendency to be introverted. I have a weird split in my personality. I am a very gregarious sort, if given the opportunity, but my tendency is to be satisfied with my own company.

So I make it a point, once a month, to get my banking done in person, and then go around and pay my bills in person, and then get groceries and possibles as needed, thus relieving, at least for a time, my tendency toward being (relatively) alone.

I also make it a point, once a month, to go out to a sit-down dinner somewhere, picking a different establishment every time... gets me out of my ruts - Something that occurs naturally with a woman around, but left to my own devices, it is a discipline.

Likewise my decision nearing a decade ago, to simplify my life... Coming out of town, and back into country living. I deal with cash money. No checkbook. No loans. No payments. All cash on the barrelhead. Simple. Gloriously inefficient and organic. And a hard line toward living within my means.

I have said I am a basement geek. Introverted and tech-oriented. The other half of me is a luddite that lives outside, always around animals, always hunting and fishing. Finding joy as a tinker, fixing things others throw away.

The one way, I make tons of money and spend tons of money... The other way, I am happy. So I am hedging toward happy and leaving the other behind.

See?

I'm buying beans.

I HAVE money in the bank. I just can't get at it. The assumption that everyone has debit cards and electronic banking is not true.

Nobody said one thing about this, now, profanity, so on.  Hope you'll stick around but I won't take the self-righteousness here.

If one makes such statements, let's make sure how much one is talking about the topic itself vs. chit chat.

This is for discussion.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 05:27:41 pm
@sneakpete

In my case, it is not personal. But you can rest assured that I will never stand still for anyone arbitrarily removing posts that may not be to the liking of any moderator here or anywhere else for that matter

Yeah, so harassment is okay with you, fine.  And yeah, posting in different forums in BIG LETTERS putting someone down, saying they are fear mongering and so on.

Looks like the Never-Trumpers are the ones calling to abandon the forum, yeah, they've been called out themselves of saying they are pristine, when they abandoned the unborn, social conservative principles.

So, I'm okay, with confronting someone whose pointers in putting Lincoln down sounds like something you'd hear at a Klan meeting and I'm not going to sit by for that, maybe the person posting such bitter views, I don't know.  Same for the argument with the war between the states. 

That's what this cryfest is about.

This forum has gotten a lot of views in these threads.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 05:30:45 pm
None of these people griping hardly show up here to post.... and you can make excuses, in the Coronavirus Health and Education, Hoodat was posting that stuff in big letters there.

He didn't vote for Trump, we've made some real accomplishments with him in the presidency, pro-life accomplishments the Never-Trumpers have NO part of. So, whine, whine, whine, I've got some skin in the game on seeing how this issue goes and would do all to help the president.

Not a broken record that the flu kills more every year, etc. etc.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 05:35:44 pm
@roamer_1 I hope you will also recognize me as a friend, as I do you.  I've learned a lot of facts, and different ways to see those facts from you, so thank you too.

Dittos....

Can someone start COVID-19 thread, maybe in a different category,  not moderated by Tom Sea?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 05:39:33 pm
Dittos....

Can someone start COVID-19 thread, maybe in a different category,  not moderated by Tom Sea?

Oh, another personal attack. Should we really have someone who never posts in world news, has called other members of this forum "TURDS" in this forum?  Who acts hostile to any discussion and who is nothing but on the personal attack. Count his posts today? Anything actually doing with the forum?

Hey, again, you never Trumpers don't have skin in the game, abandoned the unborn, not much of a conservative in my book. Really, it's someone who is just harassing someone.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 05:39:51 pm
Yeah, so harassment is okay with you, fine.  And yeah, posting in different forums in BIG LETTERS putting someone down, saying they are fear mongering and so on.

Looks like the Never-Trumpers are the ones calling to abandon the forum, yeah, they've been called out themselves of saying they are pristine, when they abandoned the unborn, social conservative principles.

So, I'm okay, with confronting someone whose pointers in putting Lincoln down sounds like something you'd hear at a Klan meeting and I'm not going to sit by for that, maybe the person posting such bitter views, I don't know.  Same for the argument with the war between the states. 

That's what this cryfest is about.

This forum has gotten a lot of views in these threads.

 **nononono*
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 05:42:31 pm
Check the postings, nothing but personal attacks... any substance to these posts? I can easily go to when EC moderated to think this person posts nothing.

Who is this guy? No idea, just putting someone down all the time, basically harassing people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 05:45:44 pm
Oh, another personal attack. Should we really have someone who never posts in world news, has called other members of this forum "TURDS" in this forum?  Who acts hostile to any discussion and who is nothing but on the personal attack. Count his posts today? Anything actually doing with the forum?

Hey, again, you never Trumpers don't have skin in the game, abandoned the unborn, not much of a conservative in my book
. Really, it's someone who is just harassing someone.

And that was not a personal attack?  @mystery-ak

You've gone too far.....   You have sadly lost it.

And btw....  the very reason, I never post in World news is that you are the moderator.  Is it that hard to understand?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 05:45:52 pm
There is a COVID-19 thread in Health and Education.

Where has anyone even commented on what's happening in India or wherever else, England, Boris Johnson?

The fact that this person is unleashing continual attacks while such a thread exists in Health and Education really says they are not interested in discussing an issue but brow-beating someone.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 05:47:50 pm
All y'all don't make me pull this car over....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 05:53:19 pm
All y'all don't make me pull this car over....
Oh, I'm sorry. I came here to read about the virus. All I found was (https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/180203-bronx-car-crash-parkside1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 05:54:52 pm
Oh, I'm sorry. I came here to read about the virus. All I found was (https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/180203-bronx-car-crash-parkside1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200)

That often happens when the driver gets drunk and drives anyway.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 14, 2020, 05:58:22 pm
That often happens when the driver gets drunk and drives anyway.

Spot on analogy......
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 05:59:00 pm
Oh, I'm sorry. I came here to read about the virus. All I found was (https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/180203-bronx-car-crash-parkside1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200)

I've seen a car that look worse than that, after hitting a bridge abutment at >100 MPH.  It was on I-10, near I-15 in Cali...two idiots racing on a crowded freeway.  The driver may not have known what hit him, but the rest of the drivers that day knew it was coming.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Polly Ticks on April 14, 2020, 06:00:41 pm
I've seen a car that look worse than that, after hitting a bridge abutment at >100 MPH.  It was on I-10, near I-15 in Cali...two idiots racing on a crowded freeway.  The driver may not have known what hit him, but the rest of the drivers that day knew it was coming.

Did he die of coronavirus?   :laugh:

By the way, you win bonus points for your use of "all y'all" in your earlier post.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 06:03:48 pm
Dittos....

Can someone start COVID-19 thread, maybe in a different category,  not moderated by Tom Sea?

It has no Cat Mod unless someone wants it?
In Health/Education
Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.0.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 14, 2020, 06:04:08 pm
Did he die of coronavirus?   :laugh:

By the way, you win bonus points for your use of "all y'all" in your earlier post.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 14, 2020, 06:04:15 pm
This is my final post to this thread,and I will simply note that I wouldn't be a mod for all the crack in DC.

See yall on other threads.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 06:05:24 pm
No one has a right to call out people in big letters here and that is what you were doing.
@Hoodat

@TomSea

My apologies.   I did not know that there was a font size restriction in place here.  But the term "big letters" is wildly open to interpretation.  To avoid confusion, could you please direct me to the board rule where the exact font size limit is enumerated?  I wouldn't want to exceed it lest I violate an actual written rule of this forum.  Thanks.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 06:07:14 pm
This forum has gotten a lot of views in these threads.

As of this posting, this thread clocks in at over 27,000 page views.

Visibility is high on this thread, gang, which is why I want the bickering to stop, and stop right effing now!  If I have to put a cooling-off period on a thread with that many views, I am going be...most unhappy!

Never mind having a Moderator delete comments, I'll do it myself!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 06:08:48 pm
Quote
World Health Organisation chief accused of failing to record three cholera epidemics in home country

    Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus allegedly involved in Ethiopian cover-ups

    Also accused of failing to record a cholera outbreak in Sudan in the same year

    Allegations against health chiefs relate to outbreaks in the countries in 2017 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211979/WHO-chief-accused-failing-record-three-cholera-epidemics-home-country.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211979/WHO-chief-accused-failing-record-three-cholera-epidemics-home-country.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline)

Quote
IMF Says COVID-19 'Great Lockdown' Will Be 'Far Worse' Than Global Financial Crisis
By Tom Ozimek April 14, 2020

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) released its world economic outlook on Tuesday, predicting the global economy will suffer its biggest hit since the Great Depression.

The newest release of the 2020 World Economic Outlook, which the IMF updates regularly, predicts global output will shrink by 3 percent in 2020. The dismal forecast is a major downward revision of 6.3 percentage points from the IMF’s January 2020 outlook.

“It is very likely that this year the global economy will experience its worst recession since the Great Depression, surpassing that seen during the Global Financial Crisis a decade ago,” IMF Economic Counsellor Gita Gopinath wrote in the report. “The Great Lockdown, as one might call it, is projected to shrink global growth dramatically.”

Read more at: https://www.ntd.com/imf-says-covid-19-great-lockdown-will-be-far-worse-than-global-financial-crisis_455561.html (https://www.ntd.com/imf-says-covid-19-great-lockdown-will-be-far-worse-than-global-financial-crisis_455561.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 06:10:16 pm
Oh, I don't know about that......... unless the "G" stands for "goodness,"

Which it does.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 06:11:59 pm
Which it does.

For me OMG = Oh my gosh!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 06:13:16 pm
Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.0.html)

No Cat Mod...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 06:14:09 pm
For me OMG = Oh my gosh!

The way I mix up words, it comes out as "Oh My Goshness!"   333cleo
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 06:15:19 pm
As of this posting, this thread clocks in at over 27,000 page views.

Visibility is high on this thread, gang, which is why I want the bickering to stop, and stop right effing now!

@Cyber Liberty

For you and @mystery-ak , OK.  All forgiven.  I apologize for the "big letters".  But don't expect me to remain silent the next time this same Admin abuses his power.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 06:16:11 pm
@Cyber Liberty

For you and @mystery-ak , OK.  All forgiven.  I apologize for the "big letters".  But don't expect me to remain silent the next time this same Admin abuses his power.

Then please do me a strong and say it in a PM to Nancy and me?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 06:16:18 pm
For me OMG = Oh my gosh!

Or how about

Ouch!  My Gonads!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 06:17:25 pm
Or how about

Ouch!  My Gonads!

 :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: MOD3 on April 14, 2020, 06:17:44 pm
 :im waiting:  :im waiting:  :im waiting:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 06:21:50 pm
Even with saying OMG means Gosh and there is plenty of info that says counter, this person did this with the big letters over in the other thread.  That's calling someone out on this and I will say.... if you have something to say,  you don't need to belittle someone or however.

2ndly, they tell us they are conservative, they didn't vote for Trump, they did not stand up for the pro-life accomplishments we have seen so again, it seems hypocritical to be mocking others.  I don't go further than saying what I think that is except it demonstrates a pattern.  I will say, I believe the other forums saw some posts deleted too. We who supported Trump want to see this worked out in the most favorable and fair way. Never-Trumpers really should not be accusing others.

And who? Noam Chomsky, hey a lot of people are asking questions in all of this. If we are censoring articles, then, let's not have any on Bernie Sanders, AOC, Joe Biden and so on.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 06:22:11 pm
@Cyber Liberty

For you and @mystery-ak , OK.  All forgiven.  I apologize for the "big letters".  But don't expect me to remain silent the next time this same Admin abuses his power.

Cat Mods are not Admin
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 06:24:12 pm
Cat Mods are not Admin

Thanks for the clarification, I missed that.  For the record, there are precisely two Administrators. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 06:27:12 pm
Even with saying OMG means Gosh and there is plenty of info that says counter, this person did this with the big letters over in the other thread.  That's calling someone out on this and I will say.... if you have something to say,  you don't need to belittle someone or however.

2ndly, they tell us they are conservative, they didn't vote for Trump, they did not stand up for the pro-life accomplishments we have seen so again, it seems hypocritical to be mocking others.  I don't go further than saying what I think that is except it demonstrates a pattern.  I will say, I believe the other forums saw some posts deleted too. We who supported Trump want to see this worked out in the most favorable and fair way. Never-Trumpers really should not be accusing others.

And who? Noam Chomsky, hey a lot of people are asking questions in all of this. If we are censoring articles, then, let's not have any on Bernie Sanders, AOC, Joe Biden and so on.

Just saying that not everyone equates OMG with God

Who is censoring articlesposts...better not be..the only time censoring is allowed is when a member viciously insults another member and files a post report...I will then edit that post.

If you can't resolve this on this thread I will personally lock it for good.

In the mean time there is a similar thread in Health/Education
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 06:27:40 pm
Which it does.

Good.

I thought it might be “golly.”  happy77

Btw, I think I’m glad I was gone from this thread for a while.

Wha hoppened????  :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 06:29:14 pm
Good.

I thought it might be “golly.”  happy77

Btw, I think I’m glad I was gone from this thread for a while.

Wha hoppened????  :shrug:
Nothing new.
Someone decided to have a brawl in the war room.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 06:32:23 pm
Good.

I thought it might be “golly.”  happy77

Btw, I think I’m glad I was gone from this thread for a while.

Wha hoppened????  :shrug:

 :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 06:49:00 pm
 
Nothing new.
Someone decided to have a brawl in the war room.

 ****slapping

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 06:50:17 pm
:shrug:

Well, if YOU don't know, I don't feel so bad that I don't know!  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 06:51:13 pm
Even with saying OMG means Gosh and there is plenty of info that says counter, this person did this with the big letters over in the other thread.  That's calling someone out on this and I will say.... if you have something to say,  you don't need to belittle someone or however.

My apologies, @TomSea .  Here it is cleaned up in smaller font.

Oh My Goodness!  Did someone just cite Noam Chomsky on this board???

Chomsky is an anti-American hard line communist of the worst kind.  It was shocking for me to see someone here actually cite his words as support for an attack on Trump, much less support for any argument at all.  Chomsky is the absolute last person I would expect to see cited here.  It would be like quoting Hitler to attack Winston Churchill.


2ndly, they tell us they are conservative, they didn't vote for Trump, they did not stand up for the pro-life accomplishments we have seen so again, it seems hypocritical to be mocking others.  I don't go further than saying what I think that is except it demonstrates a pattern.  I will say, I believe the other forums saw some posts deleted too. We who supported Trump want to see this worked out in the most favorable and fair way. Never-Trumpers really should not be accusing others.

I didn't vote for Trump because he ran as a liberal.  And for the record, I have praised Trump again and again for his pro-life accomplishments even though they directly conflict with his pro-PlannedParenthood campaign rhetoric which you supported.

And speaking of patterns, isn't it odd that I am the one defending Trump here while you are the one attacking him.  The only difference is that I would never lower myself to cite the words of a scumbag like Chomsky to attack anyone.

And lastly, I have never been a #NeverTrumper.  This has been pointed out to you repeatedly for years now, yet here you are repeating the same lie.  Allow me to reiterate again for you:  I am #NeverLiberal.  And if anyone takes a liberal position, whether it is Trump praising Planned Parenthood like he did during the campaign, or you citing Chomsky's words now, I am going to call you out on it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 07:00:01 pm
My apologies, @TomSea .  Here it is cleaned up in smaller font.

. . .

And lastly, I have never been a #NeverTrumper.  This has been pointed out to you repeatedly for years now, yet here you are repeating the same lie.  Allow me to reiterate again for you:  I am #NeverLiberal.  And if anyone takes a liberal position, whether it is Trump praising Planned Parenthood like he did during the campaign, or you citing Chomsky's words now, I am going to call you out on it.

Last word, promise?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 07:11:16 pm
Last word, promise?

@Cyber Liberty

I was responding to this new post which indirectly addressed me and my post.  I have apologized.  I have forgiven.  I have wiped the slate clean.  Except that the cleaned slate now shows a brand new post attacking me and labeling me falsely.  So tell me, @Cyber Liberty.  What do you want me to do?  Should I give a 72-hr grace period where I won't respond to anything TomSea says?  Would that do it?  Just say it, and I will do it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 07:26:50 pm
This is tiresome. Anyone have any new virus news? I'll start:
Quote
Coronavirus: 'World faces worst recession since Great Depression'
By Szu Ping Chan Business reporter, BBC News

The global economy will contract by 3% this year as countries around the world shrink at the fastest pace in decades, the International Monetary Fund says.

The IMF described the global decline as the worst since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

It said the pandemic had plunged the world into a "crisis like no other".

The Fund added that a prolonged outbreak would test the ability of governments and central banks to control the crisis.

Gita Gopinath, the IMF's chief economist, said the crisis could knock $9 trillion (£7.2 trillion) off global GDP over the next two years. ...
BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52273988)

Good reason to get things up and running a.s.a.p.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Axeslinger on April 14, 2020, 07:27:42 pm
After reading the comments on this thread since my last post here about 4 pages ago, I would just like to say:

Ouch, My Gonads

 wink777
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 07:28:59 pm
@Cyber Liberty

I was responding to this new post which indirectly addressed me and my post.  I have apologized.  I have forgiven.  I have wiped the slate clean.  Except that the cleaned slate now shows a brand new post attacking me and labeling me falsely.  So tell me, @Cyber Liberty.  What do you want me to do?  Should I give a 72-hr grace period where I won't respond to anything TomSea says?  Would that do it?  Just say it, and I will do it.  Thanks.

People make mistakes @Hoodat.  Let them teach others the best course of action, and help yourself, instead of forcing others to pick a side.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 07:34:04 pm
People make mistakes @Hoodat.  Let them teach others the best course of action, and help yourself, instead of forcing others to pick a side.

Not sure what that means, but I think it means I should shut up now.  Will do.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 07:34:20 pm
Spain sees number of coronavirus infections continue to drop, with 3,045 new cases - half the number recorded six days ago - in further sign the country is beating Covid-19

    -Spain's Covid-19 death toll passed the 18,000 mark in figures released by the government on Tuesday
    -Yet Health chiefs are confident the country has entered 'second stage' of the fight against the pandemic
    -The country reported its lowest increase in new cases since March 18 with confirmed cases rising to 172,541
    -Comes as Spain's non-essential workers such as factory workers started to return to work yesterday
    -Learn more about how to help people impacted by COVID

By Rita Sobot and Sophie Tanno For Mailonline
Published: 06:17 EDT, 14 April 2020 | Updated: 11:14 EDT, 14 April 2020

...   It comes as Spain started to return to work yesterday as non-essential workers such as factory and construction personnel were allowed to resume their jobs after a two-week ban.    ... More at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8217067/Spain-sees-number-coronavirus-infections-continue-drop-3-045-new-cases.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 14, 2020, 07:45:24 pm
 :2popcorn:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2020, 07:48:28 pm
Ill Children, Autistic People, Seniors Pressured to Sign ‘Do Not Resuscitate’ Forms

Victoria Fried man14 Apr 2020

The family of an 11-year-old cancer sufferer and an autistic support group have been pressured to sign ‘do not resuscitate’ (DNR) forms during the coronavirus pandemic.

Ilhan Ates-Suddes from Scarborough suffers from a rare cancer, called a Desmoid tumour, in his neck and jaw. His mother Margaret expressed shock when the family’s general practitioner asked the family if they wanted to sign a DNR form in case he contracts Chinese coronavirus.

Calling the request inhumane, his mother said in comments reported by The Times: “Ilhan has fought cancer for seven years. There’s no way I’m going to let anyone give up on him.”

“They asked if we wanted a DNR if Ilhan had to be taken to hospital. When I called to complain, one of the GPs said there had been a mistake. But how on earth can someone see an 11-year-old boy’s age on a computer and think that it is ­responsible behaviour?” the mother said.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/14/ill-children-autistic-people-seniors-pressure-do-not-resuscitate-forms/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/14/ill-children-autistic-people-seniors-pressure-do-not-resuscitate-forms/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 07:52:28 pm
Not sure what that means, but I think it means I should shut up now.  Will do.
@Hoodat The horse is so bruised at this point that the whip is splattering everything in a 30 ft radius.  It might feel good, and Lord knows, I'm not above wallowing in schadenfreude, but yeah this fight will champion no winners.  Let's talk about something less emotional like abortion or guns.  :laugh:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 07:54:46 pm
Spain sees number of coronavirus infections continue to drop, with 3,045 new cases - half the number recorded six days ago - in further sign the country is beating Covid-19

    -Spain's Covid-19 death toll passed the 18,000 mark in figures released by the government on Tuesday
    -Yet Health chiefs are confident the country has entered 'second stage' of the fight against the pandemic
    -The country reported its lowest increase in new cases since March 18 with confirmed cases rising to 172,541
    -Comes as Spain's non-essential workers such as factory workers started to return to work yesterday
    -Learn more about how to help people impacted by COVID

By Rita Sobot and Sophie Tanno For Mailonline
Published: 06:17 EDT, 14 April 2020 | Updated: 11:14 EDT, 14 April 2020

...   It comes as Spain started to return to work yesterday as non-essential workers such as factory and construction personnel were allowed to resume their jobs after a two-week ban.    ... More at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8217067/Spain-sees-number-coronavirus-infections-continue-drop-3-045-new-cases.html)

Thanx for posting this @mountaineer ...help us learn from Spain's example.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 14, 2020, 07:58:00 pm
Thanx for posting this @mountaineer ...help us learn from Spain's example.
I think once we've "peaked" (my state is projected to do that by Saturday), we certainly can take the first steps to normalcy.

Edit to add: I just realized that projection came from the Gates-funded IHME.  *****rollingeyes*****  What to believe, what to believe ...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 07:59:30 pm
The family of an 11-year-old cancer sufferer and an autistic support group have been pressured to sign ‘do not resuscitate’ (DNR) forms during the coronavirus pandemic.

Ilhan Ates-Suddes from Scarborough suffers from a rare cancer, called a Desmoid tumour, in his neck and jaw. His mother Margaret expressed shock when the family’s general practitioner asked the family if they wanted to sign a DNR form in case he contracts Chinese coronavirus.

Calling the request inhumane, his mother said in comments reported by The Times: “Ilhan has fought cancer for seven years. There’s no way I’m going to let anyone give up on him.”

“They asked if we wanted a DNR if Ilhan had to be taken to hospital. When I called to complain, one of the GPs said there had been a mistake. But how on earth can someone see an 11-year-old boy’s age on a computer and think that it is ­responsible behaviour?” the mother said.

@mystery-ak I threw up a little in my mouth reading this.  Feeling dizzy.  I don't recognize this world except in my nightmares.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 08:01:17 pm
I think once we've "peaked" (my state is projected to do that by Saturday), we certainly can take the first steps to normalcy.

It can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 14, 2020, 08:04:23 pm
What is the Chinese-virus case fatality rate?

WUWT by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley 4/14/2020

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/14/what-is-the-chinese-virus-case-fatality-rate-coronavirus/ (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/14/what-is-the-chinese-virus-case-fatality-rate-coronavirus/)

Quote
As the mean daily compound growth rates both in total confirmed cases and in total deaths continue to drop in most countries in the direction of levels at which it might become safe to end the lockdowns (in those countries that have them), one question continues to be difficult to answer. What is the true case fatality rate? In other words, what fraction of those who become infected will die?

During the early stages of a pandemic, the least unreliable way to get a handle on the case fatality rate is to look at the closed cases – those who have been infected and have either recovered or died. However, innumerate governments, not realizing that for this reason counting those who have recovered is no less important than counting those who have died, have been negligent in keeping proper track of recoveries. Indeed, Britain has proven so incompetent at keep track of those who have been discharged from the centrally-managed hospitals in the Government’s care that yesterday it abandoned the publication of daily recovery counts altogether. In consequence of such mismanagement, ten days ago the ratio of deaths to closed cases in the world excluding China and occupied Tibet was 27%.

The World Health Organization, which has not covered itself in glory in handling this pandemic, originally estimated a case fatality rate of 2% and then revised it to 3.4%. But it had originally estimated that the SARS case fatality rate was 2%, and it came out at 10%.

The useless World Health Organization ought to have developed a standard reporting protocol by now, but if there is such a thing there seems to be little evidence that it is being followed.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 14, 2020, 08:07:57 pm
:im waiting:  :im waiting:  :im waiting:

@MOD3

That look doesn't intimidate me at all.

Don't believe me,ask any of my exes.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2020, 08:22:55 pm
:im waiting:  :im waiting:  :im waiting:
@MOD3

That look doesn't intimidate me at all.

Don't believe me,ask any of my exes.

I'm married with children...Looks like Sunday Dinner with one of the kids at a friends.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on April 14, 2020, 08:23:43 pm
This is tiresome. Anyone have any new virus news? I'll start:BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52273988)

Good reason to get things up and running a.s.a.p.
Entirely true.

But responsibly, not in wreckless haste.

For economic reasons there is incentive to get back to work.

OTOH meeting places which are gatherings of people, may be delayed.

We have a non-profit hall. Our officers and directors will becareful, lest we open a door for lawsuits later if somebody gets sick soon after re-opening.

My town has 40 churches, so we will also closely follow their actions, to guide us for our hall.





Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 08:31:51 pm
I think once we've "peaked" (my state is projected to do that by Saturday), we certainly can take the first steps to normalcy.

Edit to add: I just realized that projection came from the Gates-funded IHME.  *****rollingeyes*****  What to believe, what to believe ...

We seem to be on a steady plateau at our peak.  Works are in progress to get things up and running in a responsible way.

If people don't behave stupidly (most haven't been so far), things will be starting back up in a few weeks.   It's nice to have confidence in our conservative leadership.  Business is a high priority and they're working with businesses in the state to get things running as quickly as possible.

But no matter what, we are looking at a new 'normal' until there is a vaccine.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 14, 2020, 08:33:20 pm
I'm married with children...Looks like Sunday Dinner with one of the kids at a friends.

@Once-Ler

BINGO!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 08:34:40 pm
It can't come soon enough.

Every single sane person in the country is on board with that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 09:24:51 pm
Quote
The Impact of Coronavirus on North Korea
Center: Asia Center

Despite reporting no cases of the COVID-19 virus, North Korea remains especially vulnerable to the pandemic due to its poor health infrastructure and proximity to virus hotspots. An outbreak of COVID-19 in North Korea could have crippling political and socioeconomic consequences for the country, including reduced access to food and greater internal instability. Though the U.N. Sanctions Committee has provided some exemptions to help North Korea deal with the coronavirus, humanitarian workers are still limited by travel and financial barriers as they try to obtain medical equipment and other aid. Meanwhile, Pyongyang’s lack of transparency compounds the difficulty of obtaining accurate information.

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You will be able to participate in the live Q&A using the YouTube chat box function on the YouTube page. You can also take part in the conversation on Twitter with #NorthKoreaCOVID.

Stalled denuclearization talks have hindered hopes of U.S. engagement with North Korea on the pandemic. But a COVID-19 outbreak in North Korea could have long-term implications for U.S. national security interests, including the U.S.-South Korea alliance and peace on the Korean Peninsula.

Read more at: https://www.usip.org/events/impact-coronavirus-north-korea (https://www.usip.org/events/impact-coronavirus-north-korea)

Quote
North Korea managed to push back COVID-19, analyst says

NEW YORK, April 14 (UPI) -- North Korea may have experienced some success in driving back the novel coronavirus because of measures taken in January and few cases near its 880-mile border with China, a U.S. medical expert said Tueday.

Kee Park, a lecturer in global health at Harvard Medical School who has visited North Korea for humanitarian purposes for over a decade, said during a United States Institute of Peace discussion that the Kim Jong Un regime's approach to COVID-19 may have had a better outcome than many believe.

Park did not comment on North Korea's claim of "zero" cases of the deadly disease within its borders. The analyst did say North Korea took early measures, some preceding the lockdown of China's Hubei Province.

Read more at:  https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/14/North-Korea-managed-to-push-back-COVID-19-analyst-says/6001586882152/?spt=su&or=btn_tw (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/14/North-Korea-managed-to-push-back-COVID-19-analyst-says/6001586882152/?spt=su&or=btn_tw)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 09:27:11 pm
But no matter what, we are looking at a new 'normal' until there is a vaccine.

I'm not buying that.  Other countries have been able to reopen without a vaccine.  We can too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2020, 09:29:20 pm
But no matter what, we are looking at a new 'normal' until there is a vaccine.

We're looking at "normal" --period-- in a matter of weeks.  We've had enough.



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: berdie on April 14, 2020, 09:30:04 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/emergency-room-doctor-near-death-with-coronavirus-saved-with-experimental-treatment/ar-BB12CdXL?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/emergency-room-doctor-near-death-with-coronavirus-saved-with-experimental-treatment/ar-BB12CdXL?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout)


I thought this was interesting. I find it to be very possible that this drug could stop an autoimmune response that occurs in some people with COVD19.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 09:36:06 pm
I'm not buying that.  Other countries have been able to reopen without a vaccine.  We can too.

I'm not saying we won't reopen before there's a vaccine.  I'm just saying safety standards will have to be higher before there's a vaccine.

But I have no doubt you will disagree with me about that, because that's what you do no matter what I say. .....   **nononono*

In the meantime, there are many countries that have shut down much harder than we have.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 09:37:45 pm
Quote
Jennifer Zeng 曾錚
@jenniferatntd
Tiansheng Street in #Wuhan Locked Down Again
"It starts all over again. This is Tiansheng Street (in Wuhan). Locked down again. They say there are confirmed cases again. Alas!"  Woman says this while shooting this video.
For more: http://bit.ly/2uBfJPr (http://bit.ly/2uBfJPr)
#CCPVirus #COVID2019
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https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1250173749464305670 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1250173749464305670)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 09:54:44 pm
I'm not saying we won't reopen before there's a vaccine.  I'm just saying safety standards will have to be higher before there's a vaccine.

That's a given.  After two weeks in group quarantine, my behaviour has changed noticeably.  If I need to get from point A to point B, and someone is loitering in my path, then I find a new path.  Always washing hands.  Staying saturated with Vitamin C.  Taking Vitamin D and zinc.  Covering my face if I need to travel.  These are personal safety standards, but standards nonetheless.  If we all take personal responsibility, then we can sit six feet apart at a coffee shop and have a conversation over coffee with friends.  Heck, we could even thin out the chairs in our church sanctuary and hold services for about 150 people.  Or even enjoy an outdoor movie provided we keep enough space between people.

And once antibody tests become widely available, we will be able to do whatever we want once we find out we were immune the whole time.


But I have no doubt you will disagree with me about that, because that's what you do no matter what I say. .....   **nononono*

That simply not true.  You disappoint me, dear MusicLady.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2020, 09:57:19 pm
Quote
Coronavirus, Turkish Attacks Threaten Kurds, Christians in Northeast Syria

On April 2, an urgent appeal was sent to the director-general of the World Health Organization ( WHO ). It was signed by Bassam Said Ishak, co-chief of the US Mission of the Syrian Democratic Council (SDC) and two colleagues, pleading for test kits to detect coronavirus infections in war-torn northeastern Syria

The SDC region is facing increasingly horrific circumstances. On March 31, AANES Health Committee reported that Turkey is “using the distraction caused by the pandemic to once again threaten military strikes and a subsequent invasion further into north and east Syria. (They are already occupying a large part of the region.) These threats are disrupting the region’s ability to respond to the pandemic.”

On April 4, Rudaw reported that the Turkish Army had “’neutralized’ tens of fighters from the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in days of clashes in northern Syria, despite the country’s agreement to two ceasefires in the area last October.

Read more at:  https://www.hudson.org/research/15935-coronavirus-turkish-attacks-threaten-kurds-christians-in-northeast-syria (https://www.hudson.org/research/15935-coronavirus-turkish-attacks-threaten-kurds-christians-in-northeast-syria)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2020, 09:59:19 pm
Quote
GOP lawmakers, protesters call on DeWine to begin re-opening Ohio
Akron Beacon Journal, Apr 14, 2020

https://www.beaconjournal.com/news/20200414/gop-lawmakers-protesters-call-on-dewine-to-begin-re-opening-ohio (https://www.beaconjournal.com/news/20200414/gop-lawmakers-protesters-call-on-dewine-to-begin-re-opening-ohio)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 10:04:30 pm
That's a given.  After two weeks in group quarantine, my behaviour has changed noticeably.  If I need to get from point A to point B, and someone is loitering in my path, then I find a new path.  Always washing hands.  Staying saturated with Vitamin C.  Taking Vitamin D and zinc.  Covering my face if I need to travel.  These are personal safety standards, but standards nonetheless.  If we all take personal responsibility, then we can sit six feet apart at a coffee shop and have a conversation over coffee with friends.  Heck, we could even thin out the chairs in our church sanctuary and hold services for about 150 people.  Or even enjoy an outdoor movie provided we keep enough space between people.

And once antibody tests become widely available, we will be able to do whatever we want once we find out we were immune the whole time.


That simply not true.  You disappoint me, dear MusicLady.

I'm not sure then, why you disagreed with what I said that you now consider "a given," but you just further explained what I was talking about with the "new normal."

Proving my last point was correct and your disappointment unwarranted.........that even when I say what you believe, you feel the need to counter what I've said.

No biggie.  I can live with it.   :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 14, 2020, 10:07:40 pm
Putin Warns That Russia's COVID-19 Pandemic Is Getting Worse

NPR by Scott Neuman  4/14/2020

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/14/833855032/putin-warns-officials-that-russias-covid-19-pandemic-is-getting-worse (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/14/833855032/putin-warns-officials-that-russias-covid-19-pandemic-is-getting-worse)

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After insisting less than a month ago that COVID-19 in Russia was "under control," President Vladimir Putin on Monday squarely acknowledged the opposite, with the largest day-to-day increase in cases to date and the head of the coronavirus task force warning that the country is "nowhere near" peak infections.

"We see that the situation is changing almost daily and, unfortunately, not for the better," Putin said in a video conference with health officials, according to The Moscow Times. "The number of people who are getting sick is increasing, with more cases of severe illness."

Today, Russia's coronavirus response center reported more than 2,700 new cases and 22 new deaths, bringing the total number of infections to more than 21,000 and 170 deaths. The capital, Moscow, has been hardest-hit, with more than 11,500 cases.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 14, 2020, 10:08:54 pm
I'm not sure then, why you disagreed with what I said that you now consider "a given," but you just further explained what I was talking about with the "new normal."

I had assumed that by "new normal", you were referring to things as they are right now.  I believe the current situation to be untenable.  Nothing personal.  It's not about disagreeing with you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 11:05:03 pm
I had assumed that by "new normal", you were referring to things as they are right now.  I believe the current situation to be untenable.  Nothing personal.  It's not about disagreeing with you.

Best not to assume.

I don't want this present condition to last one second longer than it needs to for our safety.

But I'm willing to keep my distance for a while and keep ordering takeout, and have rules that require the same cleanliness standards that are now being used.

I want this thing to be over, but I don't want to get sick.

I'm not in any way hysterical or panicked, but I do like breathing............. deeply.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 11:12:17 pm
Best not to assume.

I don't want this present condition to last one second longer than it needs to for our safety.

But I'm willing to keep my distance for a while and keep ordering takeout, and have rules that require the same cleanliness standards that are now being used.

I want this thing to be over, but I don't want to get sick.

I'm not in any way hysterical or panicked, but I do like breathing............. deeply.

You are like me.  You will decide when it's safe, not the President, and not the Governor either.   The dead hand of the 10th Amendment is still in operation.   The power is reserved to you and to me.

A Governor may be able to force us to "shelter in place," but there is no governmental power in the world that can force us to leave that shelter if we don't want to.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 14, 2020, 11:16:04 pm
You are like me.  You will decide when it's safe, not the President, and not the Governor either.   The dead hand of the 10th Amendment is still in operation.   The power is reserved to you and to me.

A Governor may be able to force us to "shelter in place," but there is no governmental power in the world that can force us to leave that shelter if we don't want to.

Precisely.

(But it's a good thing I like my house and long walks in the neighborhood!)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 14, 2020, 11:33:53 pm
I'm not buying that.  Other countries have been able to reopen without a vaccine.  We can too.
I agree. We still have no real idea of the number of asymptomatic cases who have recovered. We may be approaching 'herd immunity' already. That said, ND active cases actually dropped today, slightly. I'm waiting to see if that is a trend or a flyer.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2020, 11:46:09 pm
I agree. We still have no real idea of the number of asymptomatic cases who have recovered. We may be approaching 'herd immunity' already. That said, ND active cases actually dropped today, slightly. I'm waiting to see if that is a trend or a flyer.

This is especially true when we're constantly being told it will take a year to get a vaccine.  there is no way in heck we will continue to hide in place a whole year.  It's just not in the cards.  It's not in our national DNA, either.  The gummint has, so far, managed to pull it off, but there's an unspoken understanding that it won't be complied with for long.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 15, 2020, 12:03:03 am
Questioning The Official “Wet Market” Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus Part 1: The Video

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44143 (https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44143)

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Links have been continuing to build up questioning the official “wet market” Wuhan Coronavirus origin story. This Epoch Times video presents the case that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is the likely source of the virus.

•  Bats were not sold in the Huanan Seafood Market.

•  A third of the early Chinese victims had no connection to the Huanan Seafood Market.

•  If we are to believe the two experts cited, evidence from the coronavirus amino acids and protein spikes suggests an artificial origin in the original SARS completely separate from the postulated bat origin.

•  In early January, the Chinese government ordered all existing Wuhan coronavirus samples to be destroyed.

More at link.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Gdd7dtDaYmM&feature=emb_logo#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 15, 2020, 12:36:57 am
Questioning The Official “Wet Market” Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus Part 1: The Video

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44143 (https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44143)

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Gdd7dtDaYmM&feature=emb_logo#)
Excellent! That fills in a lot of blanks and connects dots I have seen.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 10:23:52 am

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South Korea to ship 600,000 coronavirus testing kits to US: report
Upon the US President's request, South Korea is set to send around 600,000 testing kits to the US, said officials on Monday

    By Reuters
    Updated April 13, 2020 18:29 +08

South Korea plans to send 600,000 coronavirus testing kits to the United States on Tuesday in the first such shipment following a request from U.S. President Donald Trump, a Seoul official told Reuters on Monday.

Trump made the request for testing kits in a telephone call on March 25 with President Moon Jae-in, as the United States was grappling with fast-growing outbreaks in many states. A U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency cargo plane carrying the equipment is scheduled to leave at 10:30 p.m. (1330 GMT) on Tuesday, the official said on condition of anonymity due to the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue.

More at:   https://www.ibtimes.sg/exclusive-south-korea-ship-600000-coronavirus-testing-kits-us-report-42953?utm_source=Internal&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=readmore (https://www.ibtimes.sg/exclusive-south-korea-ship-600000-coronavirus-testing-kits-us-report-42953?utm_source=Internal&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=readmore)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 11:10:22 am
This is a very bad forecast for Japan which is what? About  125 million. Too bad the virus is not really letting up right now. Awful forecast.

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Japan urges citizens to isolate as reports warn of 400,000 deaths

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan urged its citizens on Wednesday to stay home, as media reports warned that as many as 400,000 of them could die of the coronavirus without urgent action, and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe came under pressure to hand out more cash.

Japan, which tests only people with symptoms of the coronavirus, has so far recorded more than 8,000 infections with nearly 200 deaths.

Reports in Japanese media citing an undisclosed health ministry projection said fatalities could reach the 400,000 mark without mitigation measures. It also estimated that as many as 850,000 people could need ventilators.

Read more at:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-idUSKCN21X149 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-idUSKCN21X149)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Lando Lincoln on April 15, 2020, 11:33:06 am
@TomSea... just asking.  Are you planning to post the big red banner material as a matter of routine?  If so, I'll check out other threads. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 15, 2020, 12:14:50 pm
Wuhan Coronavirus Origins Part 2: Timelines of China’s Lies

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44167 (https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=44167)

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The problem with blogging about China’s lies over the Wuhan Cornavirus isn’t what to include, but what to leave out. There are at least two pretty useful timelines:

The Center for Security Policy (https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wuhan-virus/)

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/sb/chinese-communist-party-world-health-organization-culpability-in-coronavirus-pandemic)

From the Center for Security Policy:

    November 17, 2019

    Patient Zero. Official Chinese government sources say the first case of coronavirus emerges on November 17, but is not recognized at the time. The unidentified victim is to become known as “Patient Zero.”

    December 26

    Wuhan virus detected with 87% similarity to SARS. A medical lab received samples from Wuhan hospitals “and reached a stunning conclusion as early as the morning of Dec. 26. The samples contained a new corona virus with an 87 percent similarity to SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome.” This account will be revealed late in January 2020 by multiple unauthorized Chinese sources.

    December 27

    Lab executives urgently brief Wuhan health officials. A day after discovering the new corona virus, “lab executives held urgent meetings to brief Wuhan health officials and hospital management,” according to a lab technician.

    Officials order labs to suppress scientific findings. Chinese genomics scientists sequence the virus and discover a resemblance to SARS, but Chinese regime officials order them to surrender or destroy the virus samples. The regime suppresses the scientific findings. Chinese Communist Party (CCP) censors delete the news report of the destruction, revealed by Caixin Global, from the Chinese internet.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Neverdul on April 15, 2020, 01:07:25 pm
Questioning The Official “Wet Market” Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus Part 1: The Video

•  Bats were not sold in the Huanan Seafood Market.
•  A third of the early Chinese victims had no connection to the Huanan Seafood Market.
 

@Elderberry

The first bullet point – “Bats were not sold in the Huanan Seafood Market” is likely true. Contrary to popular belief, bats are not a food typically eaten by most native Chinese although it is eaten in Micronesia, specifically on the island of Palau where most of the videos claiming to be of people eating bat soup in Wuhan were actually filmed.

That does not mean however that bats aren’t the ordinal reservoir.  The genomic sequencing of SARS and MERS showed the virus originated in bats (and bats are a reservoir of many, many coronaviruses, some only recently discovered with more being identified all the time) and jumped to an intermediary animal host before infecting humans and causing human to human transmission, in the case of SARS it indicates Civet Cats which were/are sold in many “wet markets” including Wuhan and in the case of MERS, the intermediary host was camels.

Just because bats were not sold in the Huanan Seafood Market does not mean that bats were not the original reservoir as the virus could have jumped from bats to another animal such as pangolins in the wild – the wild pangolins then being captured and sold in the wet markets. 

As to the second bullet point – “A third of the early Chinese victims had no connection to the Huanan Seafood Market” IMO neither proves nor disproves that the wet market was not the origin as we know about asymptomatic human to human transmission. While the focus has been on the Huanan Seafood Market it is not the only wet market in Wuhan and IIRC, some vendors operate among several.
 
When I have had more coffee later this morning, I’ll watch the video, however I will note while The Epoch Times does do some good reporting on CCP human rights abuses, they also have an agenda owning to their affiliation with Falun Gong and their understandable hatred of the communist Chinese government but they also sometimes spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination conspiracies so even as I suspect the CCP was and is not forthcomming about the virus (along with many other things) and reporting on this is very much needed, one has to take with some grains of salt reporting from the Epoch Times.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 01:36:40 pm
@TomSea... just asking.  Are you planning to post the big red banner material as a matter of routine?  If so, I'll check out other threads.

Good point, I lifted the banner but might put an edited version in my signature. People's names and hard work should be defended.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 15, 2020, 03:10:59 pm
@Elderberry

The first bullet point – “Bats were not sold in the Huanan Seafood Market” is likely true. Contrary to popular belief, bats are not a food typically eaten by most native Chinese although it is eaten in Micronesia, specifically on the island of Palau where most of the videos claiming to be of people eating bat soup in Wuhan were actually filmed.

That does not mean however that bats aren’t the ordinal reservoir.  The genomic sequencing of SARS and MERS showed the virus originated in bats (and bats are a reservoir of many, many coronaviruses, some only recently discovered with more being identified all the time) and jumped to an intermediary animal host before infecting humans and causing human to human transmission, in the case of SARS it indicates Civet Cats which were/are sold in many “wet markets” including Wuhan and in the case of MERS, the intermediary host was camels.

Just because bats were not sold in the Huanan Seafood Market does not mean that bats were not the original reservoir as the virus could have jumped from bats to another animal such as pangolins in the wild – the wild pangolins then being captured and sold in the wet markets. 

As to the second bullet point – “A third of the early Chinese victims had no connection to the Huanan Seafood Market” IMO neither proves nor disproves that the wet market was not the origin as we know about asymptomatic human to human transmission. While the focus has been on the Huanan Seafood Market it is not the only wet market in Wuhan and IIRC, some vendors operate among several.
 
When I have had more coffee later this morning, I’ll watch the video, however I will note while The Epoch Times does do some good reporting on CCP human rights abuses, they also have an agenda owning to their affiliation with Falun Gong and their understandable hatred of the communist Chinese government but they also sometimes spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination conspiracies so even as I suspect the CCP was and is not forthcomming about the virus (along with many other things) and reporting on this is very much needed, one has to take with some grains of salt reporting from the Epoch Times.
If you keep in mind that the Chinese changed the parameters for declaring a case of COVID-19 to include having a connection to the wet market, the picture becomes sharper. That is the narrative the CCP wanted to present. It also ignores that there were cases (without the wet market connection) which met all criteria for infection with SARS-CoV-2, nearly 1/3 of the total cases before and concurrently with the cases from the wet market.
Consider the incubation period, backdating the time of infection from 4-14 days, and case zero had no connections with the wet market.

Because one of the viruses used to manufacture the SARS-CoV-19 virus was clearly of bat origin, the bat in the market story was used to throw the world off the track leading to the origin of this virus in a laboratory setting.
Considering the research done in creating this exact sort of virus, and the improbability that viruses in the wild would make these specific species jumps and recombinations on their own, the laboratory origin of this disease, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is as evident as it is documented.

Whether the release was accidental, through poor protocols, sloppy handling, or what ever mechanism, or whether the release was intentional, as a form of asymmetrical warfare, the act of destroying samples and information early on in a cover-up attempt indicates great potential for further perfidy--like Maxwell Smart playing "would you believe" with the Chief--with each successive fabrication still designed to distance the regime from the release and absolve it of guilt and/or intent.
If the release was accidental, it would cause a great loss of face that the CCP and the current regime caused a worldwide pandemic by being sloppy.
If the release was intentional, do you think the regime would hide behind stories which might absolve it of guilt for as long as possible? Sure, they would. There is no advantage like committing acts of war on your enemies (or the world) without them realizing that is what you are doing.

Epoch Times has found the rest of the breadcrumbs, among those scientific papers published by the scientists at Wuhan which document (and seek prestige from) the accomplishments of grafting a Bat-borne SARS variant with another Coronavirus to make it more readily capable of infecting a human host. The presence of HIV genomic sequences in the virus indicates that may have been grafted in as well. It is no more natural than a winged dog with the head of a cat.

What purpose exists for inventing a virus with those characteristics? (What those research papers document, including the one I have linked ad nauseum on this board, which tied not only Chinese researchers (along with some American ones, early on in 2015) to the research in this specific field with these specific viruses being recombined in a lab, but tied, through the provenance of those scientists and the institution to which they returned, (to The Wuhan Institute of Virology) when the Obama Administration cut off funding. The research persisted, in China, at the Biosecurity Level 4 labs in Wuhan, and subsequent scientific papers were published documenting that.

It's all there, perhaps in the polysylabic and acronymic nomenclature of the field, but also in black and white. Q.E.D.

Please do watch the video.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on April 15, 2020, 03:16:00 pm
If you keep in mind that the Chinese changed the parameters for declaring a case of COVID-19 to include having a connection to the wet market, the picture becomes sharper. That is the narrative the CCP wanted to present. It also ignores that there were cases (without the wet market connection) which met all criteria for infection with SARS-CoV-2, nearly 1/3 of the total cases before and concurrently with the cases from the wet market.
Consider the incubation period, backdating the time of infection from 4-14 days, and case zero had no connections with the wet market.

Because one of the viruses used to manufacture the SARS-CoV-19 virus was clearly of bat origin, the bat in the market story was used to throw the world off the track leading to the origin of this virus in a laboratory setting.
Considering the research done in creating this exact sort of virus, and the improbability that viruses in the wild would make these specific species jumps and recombinations on their own, the laboratory origin of this disease, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is as evident as it is documented.

Whether the release was accidental, through poor protocols, sloppy handling, or what ever mechanism, or whether the release was intentional, as a form of asymmetrical warfare, the act of destroying samples and information early on in a cover-up attempt indicates great potential for further perfidy--like Maxwell Smart playing "would you believe" with the Chief--with each successive fabrication still designed to distance the regime from the release and absolve it of guilt and/or intent.
If the release was accidental, it would cause a great loss of face that the CCP and the current regime caused a worldwide pandemic by being sloppy.
If the release was intentional, do you think the regime would hide behind stories which might absolve it of guilt for as long as possible? Sure, they would. There is no advantage like committing acts of war on your enemies (or the world) without them realizing that is what you are doing.

Epoch Times has found the rest of the breadcrumbs, among those scientific papers published by the scientists at Wuhan which document (and seek prestige from) the accomplishments of grafting a Bat-borne SARS variant with another Coronavirus to make it more readily capable of infecting a human host. The presence of HIV genomic sequences in the virus indicates that may have been grafted in as well. It is no more natural than a winged dog with the head of a cat.

What purpose exists for inventing a virus with those characteristics? (What those research papers document, including the one I have linked ad nauseum on this board, which tied not only Chinese researchers (along with some American ones, early on in 2015) to the research in this specific field with these specific viruses being recombined in a lab, but tied, through the provenance of those scientists and the institution to which they returned, (to The Wuhan Institute of Virology) when the Obama Administration cut off funding. The research persisted, in China, at the Biosecurity Level 4 labs in Wuhan, and subsequent scientific papers were published documenting that.

It's all there, perhaps in the polysylabic and acronymic nomenclature of the field, but also in black and white. Q.E.D.

Please do watch the video.

 :yowsa: pointing-up
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2020, 03:43:04 pm
Watch the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 15, 2020, 03:51:16 pm
Bookface is flagging the video as "false," and not allowing it to be linked.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2020, 03:54:12 pm
Bookface is flagging the video as "false," and not allowing it to be linked.

That is because FB is mentioned in the video as being in bed with the Chicoms.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 15, 2020, 03:58:32 pm
Bookface is flagging the video as "false," and not allowing it to be linked.
Send out the link as text. I already have.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 15, 2020, 03:58:57 pm
That is because FB is mentioned in the video as being in bed with the Chicoms.
QED  :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 04:52:54 pm
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'Christ the Redeemer' Is Now 'Christ the Medic': Here's How Heroic Health Care Workers Are Ministering to Patients and Families
04-14-2020
(https://www1.cbn.com/sites/default/files/styles/video_ratio_16_9/public/christthemedic_hdv.jpg?itok=NZNgQnOg)
Rio's Christ the Redeemer statue is lit up like a doctor and with the word "Thanks" projected in Portuguese, during an Easter service, in the midst of the new coronavirus pandemic, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, April 12, 2020. (AP Photo/Silvia Izquierdo)

Brazil has found a poignant way to honor health care workers fighting the coronavirus pandemic around the world. Rio de Janeiro's iconic 'Christ the Redeemer' statue was lit up and dressed like a doctor for Easter.
 
Projections playing across the statue showed flags from across the globe with the words "thank you" in different languages. The display was designed to show gratitude and offer a message of hope to medical personnel on the frontlines of the pandemic.

"This is a homage," says Omar Raposo, priest in charge of the Sanctuary of Christ the Redeemer. "A homage to all the health workers that are on the front line dedicated to the people that are, unfortunately, infected with COVID-19."

Read more at: https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2020/april/christ-the-redeemer-is-now-christ-the-medic-heres-how-heroic-health-care-workers-are-ministering-to-patients-and-families


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 07:23:28 pm
Asia Times: 

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WHO expert warns of four deadly waves
'Covid-19 is about to march through sub-Saharan Africa and perhaps the Indian subcontinent like an avalanche'
by Dave Makichuk   April 15, 2020

Just when you think it’s over, it’s not over, says a WHO professor.

Prof. Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization’s Center on Public Health and Human Rights, said outbreaks in the developing world could lead to future epidemics even after the current one is brought under control, UK’s The Sun reported.

Covid-19 has swept across Asia, Europe, and North America in recent months, but is yet to infect significant numbers of people in Africa or the subcontinent.

Read more at:  https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/who-expert-warns-of-four-deadly-waves/

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Brazil on the brink of a Covid-19 disaster
University study says actual coronavirus infection number is 13 times higher than the 26,652 officially recognized by the Health Ministry
by Pepe Escobar April 15, 2020   

According to a joint study by the universities of Sao Paulo and Brasilia, the actual number of Brazilians infected by the Sars-Cov-2 virus is 13 times higher than what’s officially recognized by the Health Ministry.

The official numbers, as of Wednesday, said there were 25,652 Covid-19 cases and 1,532 deaths. The study says that actually Brazil should have 312,000 infected people – and counting, raising the possibility of a health catastrophe before the end of April.

The Latin American country hardest hit by the pandemic, Brazil is registering a higher percentage of people cured of Covid-19 than carriers. The disparity is essentially due to the lack of testing, not to mention contact tracing – the practices that ensured the success of the South Korean model. 

Read more at:  https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/brazil-on-the-brink-of-a-health-disaster/

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 07:36:01 pm
VOA: 

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Virus Choking Off Supply of What Africa Needs Most: Food
By Columbus Mavhunga Fri, 04/10/2020 - 17:10

HARARE - In a pre-dawn raid in food-starved Zimbabwe, police enforcing a coronavirus lockdown confiscated and destroyed 3 tons of fresh fruit and vegetables by setting fire to it. Wielding batons, they scattered a group of rural farmers who had traveled overnight, breaking restrictions on movement to bring the precious produce to one of the country's busiest markets.

The food burned as the farmers went home empty-handed, a stupefying moment for a country and a continent where food is in critically short supply.

It was an extreme example of how lockdowns to slow the spread of the coronavirus may be choking Africa's already-vulnerable food supply. 

Read more at:  https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/virus-choking-supply-what-africa-needs-most-food (https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/virus-choking-supply-what-africa-needs-most-food)

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Malawians Express Reservations on Planned 21-Day Lockdown
By Lameck Masina Thu, 04/09/2020 - 15:33

BLANTYRE - Malawi’s government has put the nation on lockdown to stop the spread of the coronavirus.  The virus has so far infected 16 people in the southern African country and killed two.  People providing essential services will be exempt from the lockdown, but many worry the restrictions on movement and work will put many at risk for food shortages.

Enless Muheziwa has been surviving on income she gets from selling dry wood after she exhausted the two bags of maize she harvested this year from her garden.

A single mother of three children is among thousands of farmers affected by armyworms this year, in Mulanje district in southern Malawi.

Read more at: https://www.voanews.com/africa/malawians-express-reservations-planned-21-day-lockdown (https://www.voanews.com/africa/malawians-express-reservations-planned-21-day-lockdown)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 07:41:32 pm
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Rescheduled Tour de France Hoping to Make Nation Smile Again
By Associated Press
April 15, 2020 02:29 PM

PARIS - With the Tour de France pushed back to a late August start, race director Christian Prudhomme is hoping cycling's showcase event can help bring back a sense of normality to a nation reeling from the coronavirus pandemic.

Organizers on Wednesday announced new dates of Aug. 29-Sept. 20 for the race, a day after it was postponed. And Prudhomme is still optimistic that the three-week event will be able to feature its usual scenes of thousands of fans packed along the route each day.

"Lots of people smiling, getting back to the lives we love," Prudhomme told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "Usually we like to complain and moan about things. Then, when they're gone we realize what we're missing. The Tour de France will likely be the first big sporting event of 2020. So there will be fervor and enthusiasm."

Read more at:   https://www.voanews.com/europe/rescheduled-tour-de-france-hoping-make-nation-smile-again (https://www.voanews.com/europe/rescheduled-tour-de-france-hoping-make-nation-smile-again)



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 15, 2020, 07:43:04 pm
Lack of testing is keeping the present numbers down everywhere.

Until there is adequate testing, we will not know how big this behemoth actually is.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: TomSea on April 15, 2020, 07:56:39 pm
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Seven dead, more than 100 infected with COVID-19 in NW Iran prison
    IRAN NEWS      4/15/2020      Author:Mahin Horri

Reporting by PMOI/MEK 

Iran, April 15, 2020—More than 100 inmates of Urmia Central Prison, located in northwest Iran, are infected with the novel coronavirus. Four are reported to be in critical conditions and held in the ICU branch of a local hospital. The names of these inmates are Akbar Nozari, Siavosh Mousazadeh, Ramin Hosseinzadeh and Saeed.

As of the publication of this report, at least seven inmates in this facility have lost their lives to COVID-19. Four of these victims have been identified as Anvar Ghorbanzadeh, Farigh Mohammadi, Hossein Javadi and Ms. Fatemeh Alizadeh.

On Sunday, April 12, authorities were forced to finally transfer four inmates in critical condition to a hospital outside of the facility and place them under intensive care. However, they have refused to take further action to test other inmates in this prison or at least adopt preventive measures to avoid a viral surge in Urmia Central Prison.

Four of the seven victims, including Anvar Bagherzadeh, lost their lives on Saturday, April 11. These individuals were in wards 3 and 4 of Urmia Central Prison where more than 500 inmates are held. Despite the fact that COVID-19 has been spreading exponentially in this facility, authorities are constantly denying such reports and refusing to take necessary action.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z90Olh3BSf4#)

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRpqYG365yY#)

More at:  https://english.mojahedin.org/i/iran-coronavirus-urmia-central-prison-20200415 (https://english.mojahedin.org/i/iran-coronavirus-urmia-central-prison-20200415)

I was afraid prisoners in these kinds of countries could really suffer and lack adequate medical and health care.

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Heshmat Alavi@HeshmatAlavi
#BREAKING
Over 29,000 dead of #coronavirus in #Iran, according to opposition MEK
Read: https://bit.ly/3bdlCm0 (https://bit.ly/3bdlCm0)

Iran's latest official COVID-19 stats
4,777 deaths
76,389 cases

Seven dead, more than 100 infected with COVID-19 in NW Iran prison
Read: https://bit.ly/2yjzyvY (https://bit.ly/2yjzyvY)

Read more at:  https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1250510995187007494 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1250510995187007494)

I feel bad for the Iranians, I also may have hurt that Kurds had been very much affected early on and I believe they said the center of the spread initially was Qom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Iran)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on April 15, 2020, 10:04:23 pm
From an article TomSea posted above:
"Covid-19 has swept across Asia, Europe, and North America in recent months, but is yet to infect significant numbers of people in Africa or the subcontinent."

All the more reason to close our international borders to EVERYONE and keep them sealed tight.

That means NO MORE international flights, or very few. And we should permit ONLY American citizens returning home to come in. And foreign nationals out...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 15, 2020, 11:51:15 pm
NOPE. BULLSHIT!

That's all folks! To my friends, thank you for the good times. So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Delete my account.

Well that sucks. A lot.

I will miss you friend. Take care.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 16, 2020, 12:02:57 am
Well that sucks. A lot.

I will miss you friend. Take care.

That hurt me more than I could ever admit, @DB.  He was my friend.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Applewood on April 16, 2020, 12:34:53 am
All right.  What happened with roamer?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 12:39:57 am
All right.  What happened with roamer?

Badgers dig out ground squirrels, rabbits and other rodents. Livestock break their legs in those badger holes.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 16, 2020, 12:53:34 am
All right.  What happened with roamer?

Y'all will need to ask him.  AFAIK his PMs work. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 12:59:13 am
Y'all will need to ask him.  AFAIK his PMs work.

Panopticon.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 16, 2020, 01:06:09 am
Well that sucks. A lot.

I will miss you friend. Take care.

There had to be more going on than what happened here.

There’s been a lot of what to me was inexplicable anger and condescension lately.

I love the guy, but when he rebuffed my wishing him a Blessed Easter, I knew something was really wrong.  We didn’t disagree on much, so I didn’t expect the rage on a subject like this.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 01:14:47 am
Where do we go from here now that all other children are growin' up
And how do we spend our lives if there's noone to lend us a hand

I don't wanna live here no more, I don't wanna stay
Ain't gonna spend the rest of my life, Quietly fading away

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Honor Brite
If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, Would you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Where do we go from here now that all of the children have grown up
And how do we spend our lives knowin' nobody gives us a damn

I don't wanna live here no more, I don't wanna stay
Ain't gonna spend the rest of my life, Quietly fading away

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Just don't make it right
If I'm telling you the truth right now, Do you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Honor Brite
If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, Would you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Just don't make it right
If I'm telling you the truth right now, Do you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 16, 2020, 01:20:05 am
Well that sucks. A lot.

I will miss you friend. Take care.
GET BACK ON TOPIC!  Just kidding....  Acting like a Mod for a second...lol.

I hope @roamer_1 will return at some point.  Seems like a good guy.....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 01:20:50 am
There had to be more going on than what happened here.

There’s been a lot of what to me was inexplicable anger and condescension lately.

I love the guy, but when he rebuffed my wishing him a Blessed Easter, I knew something was really wrong.  We didn’t disagree on much, so I didn’t expect the rage on a subject like this.

Probably because he isn't a Christian.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: 240B on April 16, 2020, 01:25:13 am
(https://i.imgur.com/9C0HG0m.jpg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 16, 2020, 01:31:07 am
Where do we go from here now that all other children are growin' up
And how do we spend our lives if there's noone to lend us a hand

I don't wanna live here no more, I don't wanna stay
Ain't gonna spend the rest of my life, Quietly fading away

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Honor Brite
If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, Would you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Where do we go from here now that all of the children have grown up
And how do we spend our lives knowin' nobody gives us a damn

I don't wanna live here no more, I don't wanna stay
Ain't gonna spend the rest of my life, Quietly fading away

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Just don't make it right
If I'm telling you the truth right now, Do you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Honor Brite
If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, Would you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

Games people play, You take it or you leave it
Things that they say, Just don't make it right
If I'm telling you the truth right now, Do you believe it
Games people play in the middle of the night

I break down in the middle and lose my thread
No one can understand a word that I say
When I break down just a little and lose my head
Nothing I try to do can work the same way

Any time it happens I'd get over it
With a little help from all my friends
Anybody else could see what's wrong with me
But they walk away and just pretend

When I break down

I break down in the middle and lose my thread
No one can understand a word that I say
When I break down just a little and lose my head
Nothing I try to do can work the same way

Where are all the friends who used to talk to me
All they ever told me was good news
People that I've never seen are kind to me
Is it any wonder I'm confused

-Alan Parsons-
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 16, 2020, 01:33:38 am
GET BACK ON TOPIC!  Just kidding....  Acting like a Mod for a second...lol.

I hope @roamer_1 will return at some point.  Seems like a good guy.....

He IS a good guy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 16, 2020, 01:34:28 am
Roamer is a GREAT guy.  I want to have his baby.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 16, 2020, 01:40:12 am
Roamer is a GREAT guy.  I want to have his baby.
Lololololololololol! 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: 240B on April 16, 2020, 01:40:18 am
Roamer is a GREAT guy.  I want to have his baby.
Wait? What?
I thought...
I am such a fool
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Sighlass on April 16, 2020, 01:42:52 am
All right.  What happened with roamer?

I don't know, but two members taunted him saying he would be back in a few days knowing that would only resolve his decision. @Applewood

Wrap-up-smear Nancy would of been proud of.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 01:49:59 am
@Hoodat .

All I ever get is a pain in the neck and a yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap...


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 16, 2020, 01:54:17 am
@Hoodat .

All I ever get is a pain in the neck and a yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap...

I miss your shoe avatar.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 01:54:34 am
Covid is a ground squirrel

The government is the badger digging big leg breaking holes

You so are all the livestock. Running wild from a freaking ground squirrel and breaking legs left and right. Forward and backward...



Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 16, 2020, 01:54:50 am
Roamer is a GREAT guy.  I want to have his baby.

I thought you were a guy!???
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 16, 2020, 01:56:30 am
I thought you were a guy!???

I am.  So what?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 16, 2020, 01:58:01 am
I am.  So what?
Not that there's anything wrong with that....   :rolling:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on April 16, 2020, 01:59:39 am
Lack of testing is keeping the present numbers down everywhere.

Until there is adequate testing, we will not know how big this behemoth actually is.

IMHO I think it is inevitable that we will all contract this virus to some degree, with some becoming more ill than others and the fatalities will continue on just like the flu, but this virus is much more contagious.  As far as I know, it is still not known whether or not people will build immunity; so I believe that there is a possibility that there is more than one strain floating around out there and that is why it affects some people very mildly and other people who are otherwise healthy are dying.

As we get into the warmer months, it is seeming unlikely that heat and humidity will have an impact on this virus.  We are now starting to see our normal high humidity in FL and it hasn't made any substantial difference.

A vaccine is still over a year away and certainly we can't sustain stagnating the economy and trying to prop up everyone that has been told to shelter in. What if indeed there is more than one strain out there?  Will the vaccine truly protect people or will it only be effective against certain strains like the seasonal flu?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 02:04:44 am
I am.  So what?

A dingo ate me avatar.

Go with the flow takes on a whole new meaning moddy, maddy, dommy, dammy....

(https://i.imgur.com/IlRhf4P.jpg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 16, 2020, 02:09:55 am
IMHO I think it is inevitable that we will all contract this virus to some degree, with some becoming more ill than others and the fatalities will continue on just like the flu, but this virus is much more contagious.  As far as I know, it is still not known whether or not people will build immunity; so I believe that there is a possibility that there is more than one strain floating around out there and that is why it affects some people very mildly and other people who are otherwise healthy are dying.

As we get into the warmer months, it is seeming unlikely that heat and humidity will have an impact on this virus.  We are now starting to see our normal high humidity in FL and it hasn't made any substantial difference.

A vaccine is still over a year away and certainly we can't sustain stagnating the economy and trying to prop up everyone that has been told to shelter in. What if indeed there is more than one strain out there?  Will the vaccine truly protect people or will it only be effective against certain strains like the seasonal flu?
Just a guess, but I would think there are factors of diet, individual biochemistry, and lifestyle which make one more resistant to this virus, and other viruses in general. Genetics may even be a factor.
Are there/will there be subclades of this virus?
Almost certainly. Viruses mutate, and these will have had trillions of generations to adapt. Those adaptations may be enough to thwart the efficacy of vaccines.
Which is why the nature of the hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate regimen is attractive, because the zinc transferred into the cells would be, until excreted, effective against most viral takeover. Off the shelf, cheap, already known profile of possible side effects. The problem is that won't work for everyone, due to sensitivities toward macrolide antibiotics or problems with side effects of the hydroxychloroquine.  But the basic mechanism, use some thing to help the zinc get through the cell membrane and retard the viral takeover, as well as mild immunosuppression to ward off cytokine storm (one of the effects of macrolide antibiotics), is a pretty plain strategy that might be able to be accomplished by different pharmacology. That, imho, is where efforts should be concentrated.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 02:10:03 am
IMO, they need to stop the distancing. OPEN everything, and let nature take its course.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 16, 2020, 02:10:11 am
I don't know, but two members taunted him saying he would be back in a few days knowing that would only resolve his decision. @Applewood

Wrap-up-smear Nancy would of been proud of.
Yeah I saw it too, and both look dumber for it...but I seriously think that last line is better left unsaid.  I say with huge respect @Sighlass it's not fair, and it's not true.

I'm here and @Mesaclone and @truth_seeker are here.  I wouldn't want it any other way.  I'm being completely honest there are many internet bubbles we can choose to live in.  This one is special and unique.  You're part of it but none of us is irreplaceable to the flavor and freedom of this forum.  That being said, I hope you have not soured on the time you've spent here.  I love your posts...especially the ones where you say I'm funny. 

Tomorrow will be a better day...it almost has to be. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 16, 2020, 02:10:24 am
A dingo ate me avatar.

Go with the flow takes on a whole new meaning moddy, maddy, dommy, dammy....

(https://i.imgur.com/IlRhf4P.jpg)
Nice fish!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 16, 2020, 02:11:11 am
I am.  So what?
@truth_seeker
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 16, 2020, 02:23:30 am
A dingo ate me avatar.

Go with the flow takes on a whole new meaning moddy, maddy, dommy, dammy....

(https://i.imgur.com/IlRhf4P.jpg)

I have that shirt.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 16, 2020, 02:30:46 am
IMHO I think it is inevitable that we will all contract this virus to some degree, with some becoming more ill than others and the fatalities will continue on just like the flu, but this virus is much more contagious.  As far as I know, it is still not known whether or not people will build immunity; so I believe that there is a possibility that there is more than one strain floating around out there and that is why it affects some people very mildly and other people who are otherwise healthy are dying.

As we get into the warmer months, it is seeming unlikely that heat and humidity will have an impact on this virus.  We are now starting to see our normal high humidity in FL and it hasn't made any substantial difference.

A vaccine is still over a year away and certainly we can't sustain stagnating the economy and trying to prop up everyone that has been told to shelter in. What if indeed there is more than one strain out there?  Will the vaccine truly protect people or will it only be effective against certain strains like the seasonal flu?

That's the big problem here.   There is still far more that is unknown about this pernicious virus than is known.  We know that it is twice as contagious as the flu, and that, as you have said, some people spread it who are asymptomatic (not true with the flu), some people are getting it who just stay home and recover, some people who are completely healthy get it and a few days later are dead, and those who die suffer horribly.

Health care workers on the front lines are not at risk from the flu are getting sick and dying from this.  Because this is so widespread and world wide there is not enough protective equipment to keep them safe. Others have continued to compare this to deaths from car accidents and heart attacks, but no emergency responder has ever died from someone else's car accident or heart attack.

This thing is deadly, and we just don't know enough about it yet to know what is ahead.

Staying at home is only going to be possible for so long, and the numbers I have heard are that 40 to 80 percent of us will get this eventually.

Even though there are a few here who keep arguing that it's not the case, this IS an unprecedented illness requiring unprecedented measures to contain it until treatments can be developed, and eventually, God willing, an effective vaccine.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 16, 2020, 02:38:59 am
That's the big problem here.   There is still far more that is unknown about this pernicious virus than is known.  We know that it is twice as contagious as the flu, and that, as you have said, some people spread it who are asymptomatic (not true with the flu), some people are getting it who just stay home and recover, some people who are completely healthy get it and a few days later are dead, and those who die suffer horribly.

Health care workers on the front lines are not at risk from the flu are getting sick and dying from this.  Because this is so widespread and world wide there is not enough protective equipment to keep them safe. Others have continued to compare this to deaths from car accidents and heart attacks, but no emergency responder has ever died from someone else's car accident or heart attack.

This thing is deadly, and we just don't know enough about it yet to know what is ahead.

Staying at home is only going to be possible for so long, and the numbers I have heard are that 40 to 80 percent of us will get this eventually.

Even though there are a few here who keep arguing that it's not the case, this IS an unprecedented illness requiring unprecedented measures to contain it until treatments can be developed, and eventually, God willing, an effective vaccine.
goopo
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 16, 2020, 02:42:15 am
READ THIS.

https://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2781-2783.pdf (https://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2781-2783.pdf)

More.

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars (https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars)


How does COVID-19 differ from SARS?

COVID-19 and SARS are similar in many ways. For example, both:

    are respiratory illnesses caused by coronaviruses
    are believedTrusted Source to have originated in bats, jumping to humans via an intermediate animal host
    are spread by respiratory droplets produced when a person with the virus coughs or sneezes, or by contact with contaminated objects or surfaces
    have similar stability in the air and on various surfaces
    can lead to potentially serious illness, sometimes requiring oxygen or mechanical ventilation
    can have worseningTrusted Source symptoms later on in the illness
    have similar at-risk groups, such as older adults and those with underlying health conditions
    have no specific treatments or vaccines

have no specific treatments or vaccines


That is straight up BS



Somewhere on one of these threads I provided the info that a VACCINE for SARS-1 was developed but never licensed and was shelved.

Where is this vaccine now? Why isn't it being talked about and studied? If these viruses are similar then, using advanced sequencing and splicing techniques, WHY are they talking about waiting for a year or more?

I'm calling BS on the whole game.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 16, 2020, 02:51:32 am
goopo

Thanks.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 16, 2020, 02:55:33 am
Roamer is a GREAT guy.  I want to have his baby.

@Hoodat

I logged on to the Huffington Post by mistake?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 16, 2020, 02:56:27 am
READ THIS.

https://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2781-2783.pdf (https://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2781-2783.pdf)

More.

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars (https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-vs-sars)


How does COVID-19 differ from SARS?

COVID-19 and SARS are similar in many ways. For example, both:

    are respiratory illnesses caused by coronaviruses
    are believedTrusted Source to have originated in bats, jumping to humans via an intermediate animal host
    are spread by respiratory droplets produced when a person with the virus coughs or sneezes, or by contact with contaminated objects or surfaces
    have similar stability in the air and on various surfaces
    can lead to potentially serious illness, sometimes requiring oxygen or mechanical ventilation
    can have worseningTrusted Source symptoms later on in the illness
    have similar at-risk groups, such as older adults and those with underlying health conditions
    have no specific treatments or vaccines

have no specific treatments or vaccines


That is straight up BS



Somewhere on one of these threads I provided the info that a VACCINE for SARS-1 was developed but never licensed and was shelved.

Where is this vaccine now? Why isn't it being talked about and studied? If these viruses are similar then, using advanced sequencing and splicing techniques, WHY are they talking about waiting for a year or more?

I'm calling BS on the whole game.
Other information indicates a very strong possibility that this variant SARS-CoV-2 is a chimera, the result of lab recombination of more than one type of coronavirus. The scientific papers touting the research are out there. Not "Conspiracy Theory", and the ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the People's Liberation Army are present.

There is a serious and solid chance that this is a man made disease.

That doesn't change the fact that we don't know what it will do, nor to how many. It's something new, and has to be dealt with from that aspect, medically.

What it might change is how we regard the people who likely manufactured it and released it, whether through incompetence or design, and how we structure our trade, manufacturing, and relationship with that country.
They don't sell bats in seafood markets.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 16, 2020, 07:16:23 pm
Quote
Airline passengers undergo Covid-19 blood tests before boarding
CNN, Apr 16. 2020

Perhaps a sign of what the future holds for air travelers, Dubai-based airline Emirates has begun carrying out Covid-19 blood tests on passengers at the airport prior to flights.

According to a statement released by the airline, the first rapid Covid-19 blood tests took place on Wednesday at Dubai International Airport, with passengers on a flight to Tunisia all reportedly tested before departure.

The tests were conducted by the Dubai Health Authority at the Group Check-in area of Terminal 3 and results were available within 10 minutes.

More:  https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/emirates-passengers-blood-test-covid-19/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/emirates-passengers-blood-test-covid-19/index.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 12:11:22 am
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/emergency-room-doctor-near-death-with-coronavirus-saved-with-experimental-treatment/ar-BB12CdXL?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/emergency-room-doctor-near-death-with-coronavirus-saved-with-experimental-treatment/ar-BB12CdXL?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout)


I thought this was interesting. I find it to be very possible that this drug could stop an autoimmune response that occurs in some people with COVD19.
Quote
The doctors tried a drug called Actemra, which was designed to treat rheumatoid arthritis but also approved in 2017 to treat cytokine storms in cancer patients.

Considering that Cytokine storms are what seems to be the cause of the fatal pulmonary edemas, similar to HAPE (High Altitude Pulmonary Edema), this might work to prevent an immune system gone berserk from killing the patient.

Good catch, sorry I missed it in the kerfluffle.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 17, 2020, 02:14:20 am
Considering that Cytokine storms are what seems to be the cause of the fatal pulmonary edemas, similar to HAPE (High Altitude Pulmonary Edema), this might work to prevent an immune system gone berserk from killing the patient.

Good catch, sorry I missed it in the kerfluffle.

I suppose the rub is that you are in fact infected with a virus that that immune system needs to eradicate while at the same time keeping your immune system from killing you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 17, 2020, 03:00:02 am
I suppose the rub is that you are in fact infected with a virus that that immune system needs to eradicate while at the same time keeping your immune system from killing you.

@Smokin Joe ,

I don't  know if this has been addresed. The hard part of fighting a cytokine storm is not causing the adverse of the treatment for one of the underlying diseases. Vascular damage...heart and lung damage.

Treatments for covid  are varied. More all the time. Proven treatments for other problems. But using them ups the rate of the adverse effects.

One of the top killers in all of the other drugs being tried for any number of diseases is the cure for covid is the risk of dying from the disease you had is higher.

That was one of the reasons the original vaccine for SARS CoV-1 wasn't used. That disease was a one off. High mortality rate but don't get too far. Limited cases per and gone.

From what I have read, the risk of heart, lung damage was higher with the vaccine. And that is the risk of many of the tested and approved drugs being tried against this. Higher incidence of heart and lung damage with death. They are trying one used against pancreaitis. Same thing. It damages your vascular system.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 17, 2020, 03:08:47 am
Everything we know about the Wuhan lab that may have unleashed coronavirus

NY Post by Ben Feuerherd 4/16/2020

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/all-we-know-about-wuhan-lab-that-may-have-unleashed-covid-19/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/all-we-know-about-wuhan-lab-that-may-have-unleashed-covid-19/)

Quote
New evidence has emerged that the coronavirus ravaging the globe may have escaped from a poorly equipped lab in Wuhan, China, where researchers were conducting risky viral disease experiments in the years leading up to the pandemic.

In March 2018, the US dispatched science diplomats to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, who issued two “sensitive” diplomatic cables about inadequate safety measures at the lab, the Washington Post reported, citing intelligence sources.

The first cable warned the experiments conducted in the lab on coronavirus in bats “represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic,” according to the report.

The cable, written by two US-China embassy officials, said there is a “serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” according to the report.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:10:56 am
You make good points.
The trick here is to find something that will either get the body to kill the virus, or stop the virus from growing. (while doing as little damage as possible to the patient, of course.)  Unfortunately, I don't think that one size will ever fit all. Some won't tolerate some medications, which is why I haven't stopped with the idea of Hydroxychloroquine/Zithromax/Zinc Sulfate, and that may work best at early onset. Later on, though, lung problems set in, and getting O2/CO2 exchange is going to be tough, so those symptoms and their underlying causes might need to be addressed, while still fighting the progress of the virus to avoid necrosis and organ damage on a widespread basis.

Because this is something new, despite being 'like' other diseases, there is going to be some trial (and error) involved, but hopefully more than one possible effective regimen will be found.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 17, 2020, 03:13:23 am
China has been told by the UK that it cannot return to 'business as usual' after the coronavirus pandemic

Yahoo News by Adam Bienkov 4/16/2020

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-warned-uk-cannot-return-172609363.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-warned-uk-cannot-return-172609363.html)

Quote
•  The UK told China it couldn't return to "business as usual" with the international community after the coronavirus pandemic.

•  UK First Secretary of State Dominic Raab said the world would have to investigate how the outbreak started in China.

•  The UK government has previously cast doubt on China's information about the outbreak.

The UK has told China that it cannot return to "business as usual" after the coronavirus pandemic.

UK First Minister of State Dominic Raab told a press conference on Thursday that the international community must investigate the origins of the outbreak in China.

"There absolutely needs to be a very deep dive on lessons, including on the outbreak of the virus, and I don't think we can flinch from that at all," Raab said.

More at link.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:16:56 am
Everything we know about the Wuhan lab that may have unleashed coronavirus

NY Post by Ben Feuerherd 4/16/2020

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/all-we-know-about-wuhan-lab-that-may-have-unleashed-covid-19/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/all-we-know-about-wuhan-lab-that-may-have-unleashed-covid-19/)
This tends to confirm something we have suspected, with increasing surety.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 03:18:56 am

China has been told by the UK that it cannot return to 'business as usual' after the coronavirus pandemic



@Elderberry

Good for them!

Now,we wait and see which politicians other than Pelosi who whine about this to see who was complicit in this crime against humanity.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:19:56 am
@Elderberry

Good for them!

Now,we wait and see which politicians other than Pelosi who whine about this to see who was complicit in this crime against humanity.
I'd be shocked if Pelosi and Feinstein don't whine, after all the other side of their bread is buttered from China.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 03:28:57 am
I'd be shocked if Pelosi and Feinstein don't whine, after all the other side of their bread is buttered from China.

@Smokin Joe

You ain't kidding. Pelosi's husband is their legal counsel in the US.

WHY that isn't a conflict of interest that should force her to resign I will never understand.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 17, 2020, 03:38:47 am
You make good points.
The trick here is to find something that will either get the body to kill the virus, or stop the virus from growing. (while doing as little damage as possible to the patient, of course.)  Unfortunately, I don't think that one size will ever fit all. Some won't tolerate some medications, which is why I haven't stopped with the idea of Hydroxychloroquine/Zithromax/Zinc Sulfate, and that may work best at early onset. Later on, though, lung problems set in, and getting O2/CO2 exchange is going to be tough, so those symptoms and their underlying causes might need to be addressed, while still fighting the progress of the virus to avoid necrosis and organ damage on a widespread basis.

Because this is something new, despite being 'like' other diseases, there is going to be some trial (and error) involved, but hopefully more than one possible effective regimen will be found.

This isn't something new. The early reports were that this has more similarities to something old.  An "old" coronavirus that has variations that are not new. As in this virus mutated into something new from a currently prevalent coronavirus found in bats, etc. It isn't a new mutation of a virus currently found.

It has enough earmarks that seem to indicate tampering.

I will have to go re-read the treaties concerning bio hazards created. But if this was lab created, no matter how it got out, is an act of war. Don't  quote me on that quite yet, but I think it does that in violation of standing treaties. Don't know if China is signatory. Don't think that matters.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 17, 2020, 03:39:56 am
Fanned typos. Typing on a tablet that auto effs.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:40:38 am
@Smokin Joe

You ain't kidding. Pelosi's husband is their legal counsel in the US.

WHY that isn't a conflict of interest that should force her to resign I will never understand.
Sure makes it hard to figure out who she is serving while she's attacking Trump, the Dems of the ChiComs.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:50:36 am
This isn't something new. The early reports were that this has more similarities to something old.  An "old" coronavirus that has variations that are not new. As in the virus mutated into something new.

It has enough earmarks that seen to indicate tampering.

I will have to go re-read the treaties concerning bio hazards created. But if this was lab created, no matter how it got out, is an act of war. Don't  quote me on that quite yet, but I think it does that in violation of standing treaties. Don't know if China is signatory. Don't think that matters.
The research papers I have seen, going back to 2015 indicate they were involved in splicing together a bat coronavirus with a "mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone". In other words, they created this virus, first in a lab in North Carolina with some American Scientists, and then took the knowledge back to Wuhan to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The lab generated chimera virus was known to be able to infect humans, and using SARS based preventative treatments, resistant to treatment. Link to the 2015 paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

From there, according to Epoch Times, they continued to further research recombinations in Wuhan. Note the PLA (Chinese Army) is deeply invested in the research, as in everything else there.

If you have not seen that video detailing that, here it is. It is worth watching and flanges up with what I had found out.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U&feature=youtu.be#)

The implications are ugly indeed. In terms of asymmetrical warfare, it's been going on, we just have yet to acknowledge it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 17, 2020, 04:11:32 am
The research papers I have seen, going back to 2015 indicate they were involved in splicing together a bat coronavirus with a "mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone". In other words, they created this virus, first in a lab in North Carolina with some American Scientists, and then took the knowledge back to Wuhan to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The lab generated chimera virus was known to be able to infect humans, and using SARS based preventative treatments, resistant to treatment. Link to the 2015 paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

From there, according to Epoch Times, they continued to further research recombinations in Wuhan. Note the PLA (Chinese Army) is deeply invested in the research, as in everything else there.

If you have not seen that video detailing that, here it is. It is worth watching and flanges up with what I had found out.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U&feature=youtu.be#)

The implications are ugly indeed. In terms of asymmetrical warfare, it's been going on, we just have yet to acknowledge it.

China MUST pay a heavy price for this. A very heavy price.

Be prepared for high inflation in the coming years. We've printed a huge amount of money over the years that has never been reconciled and the Chinese flooding the world with cheap products have tweaked the inflation calculations giving the illusion of low inflation for at least the last 15 years. When the cheap products stop the financial smoke and mirrors will likely come to an end.

All this will likely set a number of major tectonic issues into motion in unexpected ways with unpredictable results.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 04:15:49 am
China MUST pay a heavy price for this. A very heavy price.

Be prepared for high inflation in the coming years. We've printed a huge amount of money over the years that has never been reconciled and the Chinese flooding the world with cheap products have tweaked the inflation calculations giving the illusion of low inflation for at least the last 15 years. When the cheap products stop the financial smoke and mirrors will likely come to an end.

All this will likely set a number of major tectonic issues into motion in unexpected ways with unpredictable results.
Hopefully we will start making our own. We have the people, the resources, might need to shut down some environmental stuff (without making a mess, just enough obstructionism, already). At least keep it in our hemisphere.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 05:27:28 am

This isn't something new. The early reports were that this has more similarities to something old.  An "old" coronavirus that has variations that are not new. As in this virus mutated into something new from a currently prevalent coronavirus found in bats, etc. It isn't a new mutation of a virus currently found.

It has enough earmarks that seem to indicate tampering.

@Smokin Joe @bigheadfred
 
Guys,the very first reports I heard about this virus said it had escaped from a Chinese germ warfare lab. The Chinese and their lick-spittle lackeys here in the west quickly stifled that talk,but it was already out there,and
given it is the Chinese we are talking about,it is ENTIRELY believable that they would purposely let the virus loose on their own citizens to test it.

Then it got out of control.

I guess these mindless drones forgot to never release or even produce anything until you have a way to stop it.


 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 05:28:43 am
Sure makes it hard to figure out who she is serving while she's attacking Trump, the Dems of the ChiComs.

@Smokin Joe

There is an actual difference? Both want to enslave the world and make us all their servants.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 17, 2020, 06:09:50 am
China has been told by the UK that it cannot return to 'business as usual' after the coronavirus pandemic

Yahoo News by Adam Bienkov 4/16/2020

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-warned-uk-cannot-return-172609363.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-warned-uk-cannot-return-172609363.html)

I would think that efforts like these would be initiated from our country, but just wonder how many in power like Pelosi, DiFi, et. al. are on their payroll. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on April 17, 2020, 10:51:51 am
Panopticon.

Totally off topic, but I’m starting another novel, and that is the working title.

Thought of it the other day. Great minds think alike @bigheadfred
It’s actually The Panopticon)

Now back to this thread...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 03:23:10 pm
I would think that efforts like these would be initiated from our country, but just wonder how many in power like Pelosi, DiFi, et. al. are on their payroll.

@catfish1957

My best guess is "at least 90 percent of them". If not for cash,for protection from exposure of crimes they have committed and are being blackmailed over to keep from being exposed and possibly arrested.

Remember "Baby Brudder Bush" on his "victory tour of Asia" to establish his position as Bush Crime Family Head of the Asian Branch" after Uncle Prescott died?

Remember that dumbass opening the door of his hotel room furnished to him for free by the Chinese government to allow a strange Asian woman into his hotel room late at night that was lost and confused,and needed to use his room phone because nobody in Asia has cell phones?

Remember how her clothing accidentally fell off,and she and Baby Brudder accidentally fell into bed together in that hotel room that was accidentally  loaded with hidden cameras and microphones?

Remember him getting divorced not long after that,and losing his position on the Chinese-American Chamber of Commerce?

BTW,remember that Baby Brudder was also President of Silverado Savings and Loan,that went bankrupt with millions of dollars of members savings disappearing? Remember his excuse before the Senate board investigating S&L frauds? It was "I doan no nutting bout no banking."

IIRC,he had to pay out a couple of hundred grand in fines to cover the millions that went missing.

Funny how stuff like that works,huh?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:29:45 pm
@catfish1957

My best guess is "at least 90 percent of them". If not for cash,for protection from exposure of crimes they have committed and are being blackmailed over to keep from being exposed and possibly arrested.

Remember "Baby Brudder Bush" on his "victory tour of Asia" to establish his position as Bush Crime Family Head of the Asian Branch" after Uncle Prescott died?

Remember that dumbass opening the door of his hotel room furnished to him for free by the Chinese government to allow a strange Asian woman into his hotel room late at night that was lost and confused,and needed to use his room phone because nobody in Asia has cell phones?

Remember how her clothing accidentally fell off,and she and Baby Brudder accidentally fell into bed together in that hotel room that was accidentally  loaded with hidden cameras and microphones?

Remember him getting divorced not long after that,and losing his position on the Chinese-American Chamber of Commerce?

BTW,remember that Baby Brudder was also President of Silverado Savings and Loan,that went bankrupt with millions of dollars of members savings disappearing? Remember his excuse before the Senate board investigating S&L frauds? It was "I doan no nutting bout no banking."

IIRC,he had to pay out a couple of hundred grand in fines to cover the millions that went missing.

Funny how stuff like that works,huh?
No doubt those 'honey pots' (like Epstein's Island) are all over the region, and could be funded by almost anyone. I have heard stories about Bangkok...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 03:36:35 pm
@catfish1957

My best guess is "at least 90 percent of them". If not for cash,for protection from exposure of crimes they have committed and are being blackmailed over to keep from being exposed and possibly arrested.

Remember "Baby Brudder Bush" on his "victory tour of Asia" to establish his position as Bush Crime Family Head of the Asian Branch" after Uncle Prescott died?

Remember that dumbass opening the door of his hotel room furnished to him for free by the Chinese government to allow a strange Asian woman into his hotel room late at night that was lost and confused,and needed to use his room phone because nobody in Asia has cell phones?

Remember how her clothing accidentally fell off,and she and Baby Brudder accidentally fell into bed together in that hotel room that was accidentally  loaded with hidden cameras and microphones?

Remember him getting divorced not long after that,and losing his position on the Chinese-American Chamber of Commerce?

BTW,remember that Baby Brudder was also President of Silverado Savings and Loan,that went bankrupt with millions of dollars of members savings disappearing? Remember his excuse before the Senate board investigating S&L frauds? It was "I doan no nutting bout no banking."

IIRC,he had to pay out a couple of hundred grand in fines to cover the millions that went missing.

Funny how stuff like that works,huh?

This is great coronavirus news @sneakypete
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 17, 2020, 03:38:47 pm
Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext)

We sign this statement in solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China who continue to save lives and protect global health during the challenge of the COVID-19 outbreak. We are all in this together, with our Chinese counterparts in the forefront, against this new viral threat.

The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),
and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,
as have so many other emerging pathogens.  This is further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine and by the scientific communities they represent. Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture. We want you, the science and health professionals of China, to know that we stand with you in your fight against this virus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 17, 2020, 03:49:32 pm
Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext)

We sign this statement in solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China who continue to save lives and protect global health during the challenge of the COVID-19 outbreak. We are all in this together, with our Chinese counterparts in the forefront, against this new viral threat.

The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),
and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,
as have so many other emerging pathogens.  This is further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine and by the scientific communities they represent. Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture. We want you, the science and health professionals of China, to know that we stand with you in your fight against this virus.

That isn't science. That's politics... Morons.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 03:54:37 pm
No doubt those 'honey pots' (like Epstein's Island) are all over the region, and could be funded by almost anyone. I have heard stories about Bangkok...

@Smokin Joe

ANYTHING is possible in Bangkok. Trust me on this.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: skeeter on April 17, 2020, 03:54:53 pm
We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.

Condemnation noted.

And immediately forgotten.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 03:56:14 pm
This is great coronavirus news @sneakypete

@Once-Ler

Not MY fault YOU can't connect the dots.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 03:57:44 pm
Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext)

We sign this statement in solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China who continue to save lives and protect global health during the challenge of the COVID-19 outbreak. We are all in this together, with our Chinese counterparts in the forefront, against this new viral threat.

The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),
and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,
as have so many other emerging pathogens.  This is further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine and by the scientific communities they represent. Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture. We want you, the science and health professionals of China, to know that we stand with you in your fight against this virus.

@mrpotatohead

Santa is real,too. Honest! I remember seeing him on my teebee when I was a kid.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:58:24 pm
That isn't science. That's politics... Morons.
Right.

Quote
The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins.

Huh? From the people who destroyed samples, hid data, tried to cover up the outbreak in Wuhan? Who were even saying the disease wasn't readily transmissible from human to human even after data indicated it was?

Someone cashed a nice check, or is protecting a reputation and keeping other 'news' out of the news.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 03:59:13 pm
@mrpotatohead

Santa is real,too. Honest! I remember seeing him on my teebee when I was a kid.
I'll believe in Santa long before I believe that nonsense.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 04:00:28 pm
@Once-Ler

Not MY fault YOU can't connect the dots.

Some of us were not blessed with your brain.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 04:16:17 pm
Over the last 21 days, China has reported a total of 24 SARS-2 deaths.  Today, they are reporting 1,290.  Maybe the regular Chicom counter had the day off.

To put it in perspective, over that same 21-day period, they have reported only 752 new cases.  So for 1,290 to die today when there have been only 752 new cases in the past 3 weeks?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zID-7qmXFBg/UnkDc0vga4I/AAAAAAAAJPQ/3luXYvTu3ho/s1600/Homey-D-Clown-homey-d-clown-28055057-500-391.jpg)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 04:17:41 pm
Some of us were not blessed with your brain.
Pity.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 04:18:24 pm
Over the last 21 days, China has reported a total of 24 SARS-2 deaths.  Today, they are reporting 1,290.  Maybe the regular Chicom counter had the day off.
Maybe they had trouble rounding up enough political prisoners...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 04:21:02 pm
Maybe they had trouble rounding up enough political prisoners...

Good point.  Coronavirus death combined with high-speed lead poisoning.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 04:36:08 pm
Some of us were not blessed with your brain.

@Once-Ler

True. I will try to remember it's not your fault.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2020, 04:37:34 pm
Maybe they had trouble rounding up enough political prisoners...

@Smokin Joe

Naw,it can't be that because it is a whole damn NATION of political prisoners.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 04:40:03 pm
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries)
Quote
Official covid-19 death tolls still under-count the true number of fatalities

Apr 16th 2020

AS COVID-19 has spread around the world, people have become grimly familiar with the death tolls that their governments publish each day. These numbers give a better indication of a country’s trajectory than do counts of confirmed cases, which largely measure how many people have been tested. Nonetheless, official covid-19 death tolls still under-count the true number of fatalities that the disease has already caused at that point.

In many places, official daily figures exclude anybody who did not die in hospital or who did not test positive. Often the cause of death takes several days to establish, which creates a lag in the data. And even the most complete covid-19 records will not count people who were killed by other conditions that probably would have been treated successfully, had hospitals not been overwhelmed by a surge of covid-19 cases.

More behind paywall at link
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVxclYJXsAAyUAE.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVxclmwXgAUYqgH.png)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 04:43:16 pm
@Once-Ler

True. I will try to remember it's not your fault.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/82d4903e79b4985ce87b09bf2620d829/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 06:24:10 pm
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries (https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries)

Quote
Official covid-19 death tolls still under-count the true number of fatalities

Apr 16th 2020

More behind paywall at link

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVxclmwXgAUYqgH.png)

Are you taking over TomSea's job?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 07:20:21 pm
Are you taking over TomSea's job?

@Hoodat Can you still see your posts?  wink777
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 07:22:29 pm
@Hoodat Can you still see your posts?  wink777

I meant his job as 'Most-Negative-News-As-Possible Tsar'.  But yes, I can see my posts.  Freedom is so exhilarating.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 07:35:15 pm
I meant his job as 'Most-Negative-News-As-Possible Tsar'.  But yes, I can see my posts.  Freedom is so exhilarating.
I'm sorry if the bad news triggered you.  Where do you think I should I post the news that conflicts with your world view, but is still available for Briefers who value being informed?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 07:37:21 pm
Use the Chicken Little thread.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 07:41:22 pm
Use the Chicken Little thread.
link please.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 07:46:48 pm
link please.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398666.msg2192660.html#msg2192660 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398666.msg2192660.html#msg2192660)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 07:49:54 pm
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398666.msg2192660.html#msg2192660 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398666.msg2192660.html#msg2192660)

Oh, for heaven's sake.... if you don't want to get news about COVID19, just stay off the threads that give that information.

Stop wasting bandwidth with absolute nonsense.

And stop being afraid.  It's not healthy.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 17, 2020, 07:54:27 pm
Oh, for heaven's sake.... if you don't want to get news about COVID19, just stay off the threads that give that information.

Stop wasting bandwidth with absolute nonsense.

And stop being afraid.  It's not healthy.

Why does someone expressing a different opinion based on facts and readily available information upset you so much?

Why do you keep engaging projecting by accusing others of being afraid when clearly its you living in fear?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 07:57:28 pm
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398666.msg2192660.html#msg2192660 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398666.msg2192660.html#msg2192660)

That was pretty funny.   :silly:

I'll keep posting here, thanx anyways. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 09:21:13 pm
Why does someone expressing a different opinion based on facts and readily available information upset you so much?

Why do you keep engaging projecting by accusing others of being afraid when clearly its you living in fear?

Because I’m not afraid.

I just figure that the people trying to stop information from being shared are the ones who are afraid.

Truth is like fresh air.  Suppressing it is unhealthy.

The problem is most certainly not differing opinions.  The problem is calling people “Chicken Little” because they don’t want to see opinions they don’t like.

Now stop projecting, okay?

Thanks.  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2020, 09:22:54 pm
Because I’m not afraid.

I just figure that the people trying to stop information from being shared are the ones who are afraid.

For the record, I wasn't the one deleting other people's posts because I didn't like what they said.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 09:28:21 pm
For the record, I wasn't the one deleting other people's posts because I didn't like what they said.  Just sayin'.

That was wrong.  Any time someone censors opinions they don’t like, it’s wrong.

And so is calling people names to try to get them to stop posting articles you don’t like.

How bout you post your opinions and findings (like you have been doing), and leave the mockery behind?

It doesn’t look good on you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 17, 2020, 09:29:20 pm
Because I’m not afraid.

Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

Quote
I just figure that the people trying to stop information from being shared are the ones who are afraid.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

Quote
Truth is like fresh air.  Suppressing it is unhealthy.

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Quote
The problem is most certainly not differing opinions.  The problem is calling people “Chicken Little” because they don’t want to see opinions they don’t like.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Quote
Now stop projecting, okay?


Physician heal thyself.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on April 17, 2020, 09:30:57 pm
Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Physician heal thyself.
:2popcorn:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 09:44:59 pm
Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Physician heal thyself.

Not a single word you’ve said here is true.

Not one.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to put you on ignore for a while so I don’t lose any more respect for you as an honest broker.

But since I won’t be seeing any more of your posts, know that my faith has never been stronger and my confidence, trust and lack of fear more powerful.

I pray you and yours stay well and that your anger diminishes.

Peace.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 09:46:50 pm
:2popcorn:

Every word he said is false.

There won’t be any entertainment for you since one cannot argue with what is not there.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 17, 2020, 09:47:50 pm
 :banghead:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 17, 2020, 09:49:10 pm
That was wrong.  Any time someone censors opinions they don’t like, it’s wrong.

And so is calling people names to try to get them to stop posting articles you don’t like.

How bout you post your opinions and findings (like you have been doing), and leave the mockery behind?

It doesn’t look good on you.


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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 17, 2020, 09:51:04 pm
Not a single word you’ve said here is true.

Not one.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to put you on ignore for a while so I don’t lose any more respect for you as an honest broker.

But since I won’t be seeing any more of your posts, know that my faith has never been stronger and my confidence, trust and lack of fear more powerful.

I pray you and yours stay well and that your anger diminishes.

Peace.


You just can’t help yourself can you? 

Everything you’re replying to me with is nothing but projection.

Last time I saw someone with a case this bad they were at DU.

Let that sink in for a moment before you reply.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 17, 2020, 09:52:08 pm
Every word he said is false.

There won’t be any entertainment for you since one cannot argue with what is not there.

Then prove me wrong.

Stop the weapons grade Liberal projecting and prove me wrong.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 09:52:12 pm
:banghead:

I’m really sorry about this because until the last couple of days I have had more respect for @txradioguy than practically anyone else on this forum.

I have put him on temporary ignore, so you can rest assured that there will be no further conflict between us.

And if there’s any from him I will neither see nor respond to it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 17, 2020, 09:54:01 pm
I’m really sorry about this because until the last couple of days I have had more respect for @txradioguy than practically anyone else on this forum.

I have put him on temporary ignore, so you can rest assured that there will be no further conflict between us.

And if there’s any from him I will neither see nor respond to it.

You can stop with the patronizing bullsh*t. No one buys it and it’s insulting to my intelligence.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Mod2 on April 17, 2020, 10:07:32 pm
Once again, management requests that members stay on topic, and that does not include ripping into one another.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on April 17, 2020, 10:11:00 pm
Once-Ler wrote (referencing an economist article):
"More behind paywall at link"

There's no paywall if all you want is to read the text.
Just disable javascript and reload the page.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 10:27:50 pm
Then prove me wrong.

Stop the weapons grade Liberal projecting and prove me wrong.

I'll pass.  I'm shell-shocked from the last three casualties of the forum.  I'm all out of fight today, but @musiclady not only has the right to her opinion, but I think she's right.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 10:31:55 pm
I'll pass.  I'm shell-shocked from the last three casualties of the forum.  I'm all out of fight today, but @musiclady not only has the right to her opinion, but I think she's right.

Thank you! 

(And I have no obligation to ‘prove’ what is wrongly in someone else’s imagination. I am completely at peace with the truth.  And I’m not going anywhere! ..... the others will come back when they’re ready).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 10:32:38 pm
Once-Ler wrote (referencing an economist article):
"More behind paywall at link"

There's no paywall if all you want is to read the text.
Just disable javascript and reload the page.

Very cool @Fishrrman .  Thank you.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 17, 2020, 10:40:01 pm
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf)
Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2

An assessment of Chinese coronavirus spread clusters outside Wuhan.

Takeaway: it spreads almost exclusively in enclosed environments.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVvZM4FX0AA6hqT?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 10:49:04 pm
Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Physician heal thyself.
Well, in all fairness, this is an unknown pathogen, it's new, a chimera made in a lab. We don't have a clue how it will act nor how people (medically) will react and whether or not it is engineered to adapt to attempts to develop a vaccine, or to come around in successive waves, still contagious, just slightly changed.

Now for the good news. We're still here. We live in the most innovative and free country on the planet. Because of that, whatever comes, with the Grace of God, we will prevail.

So, while it's scary, we're going to make it. Different people will have more reason to be scared. i get that, but fear is rational, while panic is pure limbic brain fight or flight.
As long as we avoid the latter, we're going to be okay as a nation, and as a group.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2020, 11:01:16 pm
Well, in all fairness, this is an unknown pathogen, it's new, a chimera made in a lab. We don't have a clue how it will act nor how people (medically) will react and whether or not it is engineered to adapt to attempts to develop a vaccine, or to come around in successive waves, still contagious, just slightly changed.

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds (https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds)

COVID-19 not man-made, comparative genomic study finds


Quote
The COVID-19 virus causing the pandemic evolved from naturally occurring strains, according to a new comparative genomic analysis.

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," corresponding author Kristian Andersen, an immunology and microbiology researcher affiliated with the Scripps Research Institute and the Scripps Research Translational Institute, said in a statement.

As they reported in a correspondence article published in Nature Medicine on Tuesday, Andersen and colleagues from the U.S., Australia, and the U.K. brought together publicly available genome sequence data for alpha- and beta-coronaviruses found in a wide range of animal hosts, along with data from SARS-CoV-2 isolates and other coronaviruses infecting humans.

The team saw signs of natural selection acting on key coronavirus genome features such as the receptor-binding domain (RBD) sequences and sequences spanning so-called "polybasic cleavage sites," which contribute to spike protein characteristics that help the virus latch on to, and blast into, animal cells.

"The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of COVID-19 in humans," the authors wrote, adding that "since we observed all notable COVID-19 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

more at link...

Aside from the headline, I don't know what any of that means.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 11:12:51 pm
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds (https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds)

COVID-19 not man-made, comparative genomic study finds


more at link...

Aside from the headline, I don't know what any of that means.
Similar proteins to the ones found in pangolins illegally imported into Guangdong Province...

versus identical proteins found in the CoV variant from bats and the SARS virus from mice used in research in Wuhan in the BSL-4 lab there?
Two provinces away from Guangdong, or a few kilometers (at most) from the lab?

Seriously? I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 17, 2020, 11:14:19 pm
Same.

Please.

I don't care if any of you have me on ignore. I blew a gasket last night because of this subject matter on this page.

I don't put people on ignore.

THIS forum has a great many very intelligent, schooled, educated, experienced CONSERVATIVES.

Ya ain't showing your conservatism.

Why don't we stop this BS of "social distancing" amongst ourselves?

I want to be here. I choose to be here. If I wanted to be treated like trash, I'll go to the casino and take my chances there.

Just kidding. The casinos are closed.

If I want to be treated like trash, I'll go to church.

Do people actually know how to listen? To anything? Especially them selves?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVjVtpr55M&list=RDgdVjVtpr55M&start_radio=1#)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 11:18:01 pm
Same.

Please.

I don't care if any of you have me on ignore. I blew a gasket last night because of this subject matter on this page.

I don't put people on ignore.

THIS forum has a great many very intelligent, schooled, educated, experienced CONSERVATIVES.

Ya ain't showing your conservatism.

Why don't we stop this BS of "social distancing" amongst ourselves?

I want to be here. I choose to be here. If I wanted to be treated like trash, I'll go to the casino and take my chances there.

Just kidding. The casinos are closed.

If I want to be treated like trash, I'll go to church.

Do people actually know how to listen? To anything? Especially them selves?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVjVtpr55M&list=RDgdVjVtpr55M&start_radio=1#)
:beer: I figured you were just blowing off steam, Fred. A guy has to take a break from this from time to time and look around at the reasons it's all worth it (or go fishing, or something) or this stuff will get to you.
I just spent three hours plus working on my Tahoe with a friend, trying to get the new distributor set right. The scanner says it's still 20 degrees off, but it runs good. :shrug: The old one was bent??? (No idea how that happened, but that wicked squeak under the hood is gone and it runs a lot smoother.)

I might be looking to replace the timing set soon, though. Still, it was a break and something different.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 17, 2020, 11:19:07 pm
Same.

Please.

I don't care if any of you have me on ignore. I blew a gasket last night because of this subject matter on this page.

I don't put people on ignore.

THIS forum has a great many very intelligent, schooled, educated, experienced CONSERVATIVES.

Ya ain't showing your conservatism.

Why don't we stop this BS of "social distancing" amongst ourselves?

I want to be here. I choose to be here. If I wanted to be treated like trash, I'll go to the casino and take my chances there.

Just kidding. The casinos are closed.

If I want to be treated like trash, I'll go to church.

Do people actually know how to listen? To anything? Especially them selves?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVjVtpr55M&list=RDgdVjVtpr55M&start_radio=1#)

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 17, 2020, 11:45:07 pm
Well, in all fairness, this is an unknown pathogen, it's new, a chimera made in a lab. We don't have a clue how it will act nor how people (medically) will react and whether or not it is engineered to adapt to attempts to develop a vaccine, or to come around in successive waves, still contagious, just slightly changed.

Now for the good news. We're still here. We live in the most innovative and free country on the planet. Because of that, whatever comes, with the Grace of God, we will prevail.

So, while it's scary, we're going to make it. Different people will have more reason to be scared. i get that, but fear is rational, while panic is pure limbic brain fight or flight.
As long as we avoid the latter, we're going to be okay as a nation, and as a group.

Good post.

I have never been more confident that we will come out of this as a nation, stronger than we were before.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 17, 2020, 11:50:00 pm
@Smokin Joe  @Once-Ler

Some of the first epidemiology papers I read indicated that this virus has the earmarks of being an "old" virus. Meaning that when it first appeared in horseshoe bats it didn't take. A least before the "herd immunity" of horseshoe bats stopped it. So it didn't have the time or abliity for cross-species adaptations.

Immune systems constantly adapt to the constant adaptations of bacteria and viruses.

History lesson.

Published in final edited form as:
Crit Care Med. 2010 Apr; 38(4 Suppl): e10–e20.
doi: 10.1097/CCM.0b013e3181ceb25b
PMCID: PMC3180813
NIHMSID: NIHMS320487
PMID: 20048675
The 1918 influenza pandemic: Lessons for 2009 and the future
David M. Morens, MD, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, MD, PhD, Hillery A. Harvey, PhD, and Matthew J. Memoli, MD, MS

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180813/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180813/)

This virus, from what I can glean, doesn't exhibit natural adaptation.

Later here and lately all these other experts are saying otherwise.

What do they say about first impressions?

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on April 17, 2020, 11:57:12 pm
:thumbsup:

Good cover of Disturbed's version.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 17, 2020, 11:59:38 pm
@bigheadfred
The first Synthetic Pandemic? Man who discovered HIV says Coronavirus is man made. CCP destroyed the evidence.
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/the-first-synthetic-pandemic-man-who-discovered-hiv-says-coronavirus-is-man-made-ccp-destroyed-the-evidence/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/the-first-synthetic-pandemic-man-who-discovered-hiv-says-coronavirus-is-man-made-ccp-destroyed-the-evidence/)

I'm hopeful that it was sloppiness or stupidity and not malice that released this virus, very likely, imho, from the lab where it was created.

When this is over, and even now, America should be reconsidering all the outsourcing we have done and focusing on getting our own industry back in operation. We can do it cleaner, better, and more efficiently than ever.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 12:17:52 am
@bigheadfred
The first Synthetic Pandemic? Man who discovered HIV says Coronavirus is man made. CCP destroyed the evidence.
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/the-first-synthetic-pandemic-man-who-discovered-hiv-says-coronavirus-is-man-made-ccp-destroyed-the-evidence/ (http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/the-first-synthetic-pandemic-man-who-discovered-hiv-says-coronavirus-is-man-made-ccp-destroyed-the-evidence/)

I'm hopeful that it was sloppiness or stupidity and not malice that released this virus, very likely, imho, from the lab where it was created.

When this is over, and even now, America should be reconsidering all the outsourcing we have done and focusing on getting our own industry back in operation. We can do it cleaner, better, and more efficiently than ever.

I believe it was lab created. How it got out I won't speculate on. But I surely do know how it is being advantagized upon.

There is no apparent reduction of both commercial and residential construction around here. Construction workers are some of the most transient and "dirty" people around. Good chance many are on some form of self medication...illicit drug use. Being transient, they don't plan ahead. Meaning they are taking their meals fron C-stores, drive thrus, etc. Staying in a motel, hotel. their standards for cleanliness are put on the backburner. I am not saying they are filthy people. I am saying there is a certain disregard for day to day wash your hands 14 times.

In a way, I am the same way. I expect to get dirty in the cabinet shop  I work in every day. Since I don't really have day to day exposure to clients, I will wear the same outer clothing all week without washing it. It snowed yesterday.

Am I a walking health risk? Yep. Especially when stupid people interrupt my drinking and driving. hahaha
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 18, 2020, 12:23:29 am
I believe it was lab created. How it got out I won't speculate on. But I surely do know how it is being advantagized upon.

There is no apparent reduction of both commercial and residential construction around here. Construction workers are some of the most transient and "dirty" people around. Good chance many are on some form of self medication...illicit drug use. Being transient, they don't plan ahead. Meaning they are taking their meals fron C-stores, drive thrus, etc. Staying in a motel, hotel. their standards for cleanliness are put on the backburner. I am not saying they are filthy people. I am saying there is a certain disregard for day to day wash your hands 14 times.

In a way, I am the same way. I expect to get dirty in the cabinet shop  I work in every day. Since I don't really have day to day exposure to clients, I will wear the same outer clothing all week without washing it. It snowed yesterday.

Am I a walking health risk? Yep. Especially when stupid people interrupt my drinking and driving. hahaha
Well, oddly enough, it was the homeless tested in California who showed few symptoms yet nearly half had antibodies. It's like this, imho, to a point testing your immune system makes it better equipped to handle pathogens (What doesn't kill you makes you stronger).
But when people try to live in sterile environments they seem to get sick easier. Let your kids play in the dirt.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 12:33:42 am
Good cover of Disturbed's version.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4#)

See? Here is a simple disagreement. I don't see it as a "cover".

It is a rendition. The same with the rendition by Disturbed.

The same POV as @roamer_1. He is Faith based on the original text. Not the New Testament. So When I tried to tell @musiclady he isn't a Christain that is what I meant.

It is what I am asking from you. Render your opinions without crucifying anyone. The occasional bitch slap is acceptable. But not this ongoing parting of the sees. That is not a typo. SEE?

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 12:47:32 am
Well, oddly enough, it was the homeless tested in California who showed few symptoms yet nearly half had antibodies. It's like this, imho, to a point testing your immune system makes it better equipped to handle pathogens (What doesn't kill you makes you stronger).
But when people try to live in sterile environments they seem to get sick easier. Let your kids play in the dirt.

George Carlin did a piece about swimming in the Hudson River.

On a personal note, an aunt of mine was telling us a story about  her first two kids. Both girls. A neighbor brought them home and announced they weren't allowed to play with her kids. Because they ate dirt.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 18, 2020, 12:51:54 am
George Carlin did a piece about swimming in the Hudson River.

On a personal note, an aunt of mine was telling us a story about  her first two kids. Both girls. A neighbor brought them home and announced they weren't allowed to play with her kids. Because they ate dirt.
There was a dugout, old collapsed in once home for folks long ago below ground level in the area where my wife grew up. A lot of the pregnant women from the area had eaten dirt from the walls of that dugout.
Something missing in their diet.

But yeah, when we were kids, being grubby from dirt was okay, as long as you weren't spit shined up for Church or had your good clothes on. But playing? Anything from swamp mud to stepped in cow pie, sand, you name it, we just had to hose off if it was really bad before we came in. (Mom hated the scritch of sand on tile floors...and stepped in cowpie was a definite no-no.)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 18, 2020, 01:52:54 am
Good post.

I have never been more confident that we will come out of this as a nation, stronger than we were before.

I believe so, too.  And the political sh*tstorm is just beginning.  The Rats will be laying every single death at the President's feet.  Even car crashes.  Be prepared!  The level of Rat desperation is unprecedented.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 18, 2020, 02:41:52 am
I believe so, too.  And the political sh*tstorm is just beginning.  The Rats will be laying every single death at the President's feet.  Even car crashes.  Be prepared!  The level of Rat desperation is unprecedented.

Rats are ugly creatures.   

And they are cornered, so the worst we have seen from them will get even worse.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 02:54:50 am
I believe so, too.  And the political sh*tstorm is just beginning.  The Rats will be laying every single death at the President's feet.  Even car crashes.  Be prepared!  The level of Rat desperation is unprecedented.

Yeah, we are. (Going to come out stronger. Stronger. By the strangeness.)

Except for the fact that this virus is targeting the old.

You have generations of people that don't even know how to wipe their ass.

This is your tribulation. 

The level of Rat desperation is precedented. That isn't the question. The question is are you going to take it sitting on your ass typing madly on a keyboard. Or are you going to fight?

ONE DAY CLOSER.


“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 18, 2020, 02:58:51 am
Yeah, we are.

Except for the fact that this virus is targeting the old.

You have generations of people that don't even know how to wipe their ass.

This is your tribulation. 

The level of Rat desperation is precedented. That isn't the question. The question is are you going to take it sitting on your ass typing madly on a keyboard. Or are you going to fight?

ONE DAY CLOSER.


“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

A 22 year-old can get in a car crash, and that will be laid at Trump's feet.  Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jafo2010 on April 18, 2020, 03:07:22 am
I can't stand Bill Maher, but HBO is free, so I watched tonight.  After listening to him and his buddy Sullivan, I am fairly certain Trump wins easily.  When they admit that Slo Joe is not all there, what more does one need.  Hatred of Trump, TDS will NOT win elections.

I do not agree with the approach to return to normal, for I believe there are a dozen states that should resume full normal living immediately.  The approach adopted by Trump will take 1-2 months, and that is too long for all but a dozen states.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 03:17:06 am
A 22 year-old can get in a car crash, and that will be laid at Trump's feet.  Prove me wrong.

Be gender/race specific.

I just got back from the store. To buy me some ice cream.

There was a young man checking out. Dressed in a dark suit. Buying 3 cases of Corona Extra.

I asked him if he was ok?

No, he said. I just got back from my dad's funeral. He died at 48 from a genetic blood disorder. Under longterm treatment. Except when he had another malfunction and when he went to the hospital to get help. Something that he had done in the past. They turned him away. Something about having to keep peple safe and only treating people who were sick.

27-year-old kid. Mourning his dead dad. For a treatable condition he was born with. Under control except for the times it isn't and requires a visit to the hospital. Denied the same old treatment at the hospital because of the need to save sick people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 03:35:41 am
I can't stand Bill Maher, but HBO is free, so I watched tonight.  After listening to him and his buddy Sullivan, I am fairly certain Trump wins easily.  When they admit that Slo Joe is not all there, what more does one need.  Hatred of Trump, TDS will NOT win elections.

I do not agree with the approach to return to normal, for I believe there are a dozen states that should resume full normal living immediately.  The approach adopted by Trump will take 1-2 months, and that is too long for all but a dozen states.

 Out of the 57 states only twelve need to be quarantined...High density urban blue states that have mismanaged their finances. East coast. Left coast.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on April 18, 2020, 03:47:07 am
I believe so, too.  And the political sh*tstorm is just beginning.  The Rats will be laying every single death at the President's feet.  Even car crashes.  Be prepared!  The level of Rat desperation is unprecedented.

It sure seems to be that way, until November.

Trump had two scoops of ice cream, but Pelosi has a doouble friedge full of the creamy cold delight.

I need a picture of her kitchen. Nan from dirty San Fran
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 05:22:16 am
It sure seems to be that way, until November.

Trump had two scoops of ice cream, but Pelosi has a doouble friedge full of the creamy cold delight.

I need a picture of her kitchen. Nan from dirty San Fran

hmmm...

Macbeth

A dark cave. In the middle, a boiling cauldron.
Thunder.
Enter the three Witches

First Witch
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.

Second Witch
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.

Third Witch
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."

First Witch
Round about the cauldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.

All
Double, double, toil and trouble; (10)
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 05:28:37 am
A 22 year-old can get in a car crash, and that will be laid at Trump's feet.  Prove me wrong.

I'll lay a 22 year old anywhere. It will be a trainwreck. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 18, 2020, 05:45:12 am
A 22 year-old can get in a car crash, and that will be laid at Trump's feet.  Prove me wrong.
https://www.cbs58.com/news/medical-examiner-responds-to-crash-near-nicholson-and-hickory-in-south-milwaukee (https://www.cbs58.com/news/medical-examiner-responds-to-crash-near-nicholson-and-hickory-in-south-milwaukee)

No mention of our President.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 06:36:02 am
https://www.cbs58.com/news/medical-examiner-responds-to-crash-near-nicholson-and-hickory-in-south-milwaukee (https://www.cbs58.com/news/medical-examiner-responds-to-crash-near-nicholson-and-hickory-in-south-milwaukee)

No mention of our President.

uh huh

Don't feed the robots.

Not that it matters. As long as you get you lyin's share.

Mind, I dont have a problem with your exactitude of your POV. It is the band your with.  Ultra Low Frequency. Yeah, you are an ULF.  Kick it up a cycle or two. Like bicycle.  Or even more economically. Really. What Would Reagan do? Tricycle down. It has worked so far. Feeds the rich and buries the poor.

It is kinda like unloading a truck of dead babies with a pitchfork. Know how to get a grip when you fork a live one.

Your ULF sets my teeth on edge.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 18, 2020, 07:21:27 am
uh huh

Don't feed the robots.

Not that it matters. As long as you get you lyin's share.

Mind, I dont have a problem with your exactitude of your POV. It is the band your with.  Ultra Low Frequency. Yeah, you are an ULF.  Kick it up a cycle or two. Like bicycle.  Or even more economically. Really. What Would Reagan do? Tricycle down. It has worked so far. Feeds the rich and buries the poor.

It is kinda like unloading a truck of dead babies with a pitchfork. Know how to get a grip when you fork a live one.

Your ULF sets my teeth on edge.

5:5 The snowball has begun rolling, there is no stopping it now. Ghost-CON active.

Everythinghasmeaning.  Everything that rises must converge, and the last swallow of summer is winging his way over the horizon!
The invasion will come tomorrow, the Resistance shall begin with the preparations.  Operation Passover, commence. Quarterback to Tight End. Operation Passover, commence. The Crips are raiding the liquor store.  My watch stopped at 11:46.  Must be the heat.  Dogs barking. Can't fly without umbrella.  In women's tennis, I always root against the heterosexual.  Covfefe.

Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 09:17:39 am
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? 

You mean like now?

Sure, you are pretty, but scratching your crotch? (effing little monsters)

If you blowhard do I get a tailwind?

I heard the devil went down on Georgia. I don't do downers.

To you, my friend, I say goodnight.  My wife is working the weekend swing shifts in a care facility. Damned girl ain't got the sense to stop caring for other people. I fix her (us) supper after I get home from work and wait up until she gets home. She just got home. Her 8 hour shift today-night was 13. I am not going to make any attempt at humor for her working into the graveyard shift. It isn't covid as a health threat it is the health threat of the threat of covid.. It is the residents. It is the staff.

She is short of the board test to be an LPN. I encourage her to do it. But there is a block there she can't seem to overcome.

I do know one thing. I will kill any person that abuses a child for gain, especially sexual gratification. The MFer they put me in prison for killing was one of those. That ain't the reason he is dead. He made the mistake of trying to kill me. They didn't put me in prison for kiling him. They put me in prison for my defiance to the good old boy jackboot bullshit.

my lawyer told me it was all arranged.Kiss their ass, admit my guilt, say I was sorry, pay their fines, and get a few months of probation.

uh huh

When the judge asked me if I had something to say (wink and nod) I let it fly. I told them all that in the face of G-d and all that is Holy it wasn't only my right, but my duty, as a Christian, and a citizen of these United States that they could go eff themselves. It was a nice speech. I targeted the judge, the prosecutor, the sherf, my attorney, and the jury as concomitant
lying MFers.

Instead of a couple of months probation the judge maxxed plus. 18 years. I ain't taking back any of my part. And I don't care what you did to me. It is what you MFers did to my family while I was gone I will NEVER FORGIVE.

Yeah, I mean you. All of you who call yourselves Christian, Conservatives. Talk all you want. NOW.

ONE DAY CLOSER.

Except No Mercy.







Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on April 18, 2020, 10:45:49 am
Rats are ugly creatures.   

And they are cornered, so the worst we have seen from them will get even worse.

No pun intended, but I like the stories that are coming out now about wild animals reclaiming cities and towns. Several towns are now being inundated with rats. The critter kind.

I’m hearing a lot of birds lately. For this small thing, I’m grateful. I’m looking at buying a birdfeeder.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 18, 2020, 12:10:24 pm
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? 

You mean like now?

Sure, you are pretty, but scratching your crotch? (effing little monsters)

If you blowhard do I get a tailwind?

I heard the devil went down on Georgia. I don't do downers.

To you, my friend, I say goodnight.  My wife is working the weekend swing shifts in a care facility. Damned girl ain't got the sense to stop caring for other people. I fix her (us) supper after I get home from work and wait up until she gets home. She just got home. Her 8 hour shift today-night was 13. I am not going to make any attempt at humor for her working into the graveyard shift. It isn't covid as a health threat it is the health threat of the threat of covid.. It is the residents. It is the staff.

She is short of the board test to be an LPN. I encourage her to do it. But there is a block there she can't seem to overcome.

I do know one thing. I will kill any person that abuses a child for gain, especially sexual gratification. The MFer they put me in prison for killing was one of those. That ain't the reason he is dead. He made the mistake of trying to kill me. They didn't put me in prison for kiling him. They put me in prison for my defiance to the good old boy jackboot bullshit.

my lawyer told me it was all arranged.Kiss their ass, admit my guilt, say I was sorry, pay their fines, and get a few months of probation.

uh huh

When the judge asked me if I had something to say (wink and nod) I let it fly. I told them all that in the face of G-d and all that is Holy it wasn't only my right, but my duty, as a Christian, and a citizen of these United States that they could go eff themselves. It was a nice speech. I targeted the judge, the prosecutor, the sherf, my attorney, and the jury as concomitant
lying MFers.

Instead of a couple of months probation the judge maxxed plus. 18 years. I ain't taking back any of my part. And I don't care what you did to me. It is what you MFers did to my family while I was gone I will NEVER FORGIVE.

Yeah, I mean you. All of you who call yourselves Christian, Conservatives. Talk all you want. NOW.

ONE DAY CLOSER.

Except No Mercy.

Aw-Riiight! Sauerbraten County, Ohio--Let this old cosmos rock, roll over, and writhe!

The word!  When you meet reality head-on -- Kiss it, smack in the face!
That's the word!  Pass it on.

 ***magic yogi555 ***fairy
fnord
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 18, 2020, 01:50:10 pm
Be gender/race specific.

I just got back from the store. To buy me some ice cream.

There was a young man checking out. Dressed in a dark suit. Buying 3 cases of Corona Extra.

I asked him if he was ok?

No, he said. I just got back from my dad's funeral. He died at 48 from a genetic blood disorder. Under longterm treatment. Except when he had another malfunction and when he went to the hospital to get help. Something that he had done in the past. They turned him away. Something about having to keep peple safe and only treating people who were sick.

27-year-old kid. Mourning his dead dad. For a treatable condition he was born with. Under control except for the times it isn't and requires a visit to the hospital. Denied the same old treatment at the hospital because of the need to save sick people.

That really pisses me off, Fred.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 18, 2020, 03:29:41 pm
That really pisses me off, Fred.

@bigheadfred @Cyber Liberty

Welcome to rationed healthcare also known as single payer.  We're getting a sneak peak of what healthcare and treatment would be like if Dems get their way thanks to this virus.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on April 18, 2020, 03:32:04 pm
That really pisses me off, Fred.

@Cyber Liberty

This is the kind of thing to expect when the soulless bureaucrats take over control from the actual humans.

It's an "institutional thing."

Damn shame more of the bureaucrats don't end up in institutions themselves.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 18, 2020, 03:33:02 pm
@bigheadfred @Cyber Liberty

Welcome to rationed healthcare also known as single payer.  We're getting a sneak peak of what healthcare and treatment would be like if Dems get their way thanks to this virus.

I understand that some young dim millenials have already seen death panels as a way to fix the long term social security funding issues.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: txradioguy on April 18, 2020, 03:36:45 pm
I understand that some young dim millenials have already seen death panels as a way to fix the long term social security funding issues.

Not surprising.  Remember the Obama line about "give her a pill and make her comfortable"?  That's the mentality of the ghouls on the left from the highest level down some brain-dead kid in College.

Bill gates is one of those that thinks we need a little depopulation in the world.  Rahm Emmanuel's brother is one of those death panel types as well.

They must be rubbing their hands together with glee at the possibilities right now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: DB on April 18, 2020, 04:13:43 pm
Maybe these events will be a wake-up call for the younger generations.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 18, 2020, 04:32:51 pm
I understand that some young dim millenials have already seen death panels as a way to fix the long term social security funding issues.

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on April 18, 2020, 04:38:06 pm
I think the problem is that when you’re in your twenties and thirties you can’t imagine being in your seventies and eighties.

Sure, do a Logan’s Run now, forgetting that one day it will be your turn.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 18, 2020, 05:42:13 pm
 Why does India have fewer Covid-19 Cases? (https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/health-trends/explainer-why-india-has-less-number-of-covid-19-cases-5097641.html)

Interesting thoughts here.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 07:06:23 pm
Why does India have fewer Covid-19 Cases? (https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/health-trends/explainer-why-india-has-less-number-of-covid-19-cases-5097641.html)

Interesting thoughts here.

Point well made. Antivirals are in use in India. But step back and look at deaths per day in India, without covid.

First Google check.

 Thursday, September 8, 2016, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

Data 4 years old.

26,703 people die in India daily


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: conservativevoter on April 18, 2020, 07:14:11 pm
Are those REALLY U.N. estimates?  from W.H.O.?   :yowsa: :silly:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 18, 2020, 07:17:47 pm
Death Rates  (2017 EST)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html)

Deaths/ 1000 population

US      8.20
India  7.30
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on April 18, 2020, 07:26:01 pm
Death Rates  (2017 EST)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html)

Deaths/ 1000 population

US      8.20
India  7.30

The infant mortality rate for India in 2018 was 32 deaths per 1000 live births.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 18, 2020, 07:26:13 pm
Death Rates  (2017 EST)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html)

Deaths/ 1000 population

US      8.20
India  7.30
Does that take into account H1-B visas?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Elderberry on April 18, 2020, 07:30:41 pm
Does that take into account H1-B visas?

https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/index.html (https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/index.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 20, 2020, 10:37:28 pm
Sweden says its no-lockdown strategy proving effective against coronavirus
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/sweden-says-its-no-lockdown-strategy-proving-effective-against-coronavirus-11587365383534.html (https://www.livemint.com/news/world/sweden-says-its-no-lockdown-strategy-proving-effective-against-coronavirus-11587365383534.html)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 26, 2020, 10:36:24 pm
Israel’s latest COVID-19 rules: All stores except in malls reopened
Shops can now open, subject to social distancing regulations; wearing of masks is mandatory in the public sphere, starting from age seven
By TOI staff   
24 April 2020, 7:51 pm

Israel on April 24 further eased its earlier restrictions amid the coronavirus crisis, with the regulations below in effect from midnight on April 25.

A) Stores and restaurants: The regulations permit the sale of food by restaurants for take-away (no seating); the opening of hair salons, beauty parlors and cosmeticians including laser hair removal; and the opening of stores in the public sphere except for enclosed malls.

Care workers: Care providers may work with individuals, or with people living in the same household, without contact, while maintaining a distance of two meters among those being cared for, and wearing masks and using disinfectants.

Masks: Wearing of masks is mandatory in the public sphere, starting from age seven, except for those engaged in sport or anyone who has a medical reason and certification to this effect. Fines will be levied for violating the requirement to wear masks from the first offense.  ... More at Times of Israel (https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-latest-covid-19-rules-all-stores-except-in-malls-reopened/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on April 26, 2020, 11:41:14 pm
Sweden says its no-lockdown strategy proving effective against coronavirus
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/sweden-says-its-no-lockdown-strategy-proving-effective-against-coronavirus-11587365383534.html (https://www.livemint.com/news/world/sweden-says-its-no-lockdown-strategy-proving-effective-against-coronavirus-11587365383534.html)

Why do they have so many more cases than other Scandinavian countries then?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2020, 11:46:03 pm
Why do they have so many more cases than other Scandinavian countries then?
Because this is the whole wad. (no flattened curve) and I'd wager there are some cultural considerations with the 'immigrants', too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on April 27, 2020, 12:00:03 am
I understand that some young dim millenials have already seen death panels as a way to fix the long term social security funding issues.

Well, think about this virus.  It predominately kills those over 60 with pre-existing conditions.  Medicare and Social Security problems solved!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 27, 2020, 12:11:38 am
Well, think about this virus.  It predominately kills those over 60 with pre-existing conditions.  Medicare and Social Security problems solved!

Figures.  I got my first SS check three weeks ago.  Time to put ol' Cyber on the ice floe.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 27, 2020, 12:16:48 am
I miss my Presidential press conference.

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Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on April 27, 2020, 01:00:26 am
Well, think about this virus.  It predominately kills those over 60 with pre-existing conditions.  Medicare and Social Security problems solved!

Nope.  In the end, Social Security is still a ponzi scheme.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on April 27, 2020, 12:32:54 pm
Europe prepares to roll back Covid-19 restrictions
Issued on: 27/04/2020 - 11:04
Modified: 27/04/2020 - 11:04

 The governments of France, Italy and Spain are releasing plans this week for an easing of lockdowns imposed to curtail the spread of the deadly Covid-19 pandemic as other EU nations are monitoring how the continent’s hardest-hit countries handle the lifting of restrictions.

French Prime Minister Édouard Philippe will present the government's plan to unwind the Covid-19 lockdown to parliament on Tuesday and parliament will then vote on the measures.

Italy, which has recorded the world’s highest official death toll from the disease, is also set to emerge from lockdown, the longest to date, with Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte promising Italians on Sunday they would soon be allowed to stroll in parks and visit relatives as the country. ... France24 (https://www.france24.com/en/20200427-europe-prepares-to-roll-back-covid-19-restrictions?ref=tw_i)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 28, 2020, 03:10:06 pm
Quote
UK on track for one of Europe’s worst virus death tolls
OAN, Apr 28, 2020

LONDON (Reuters) – Britain is on track to record one of the worst coronavirus death tolls in Europe, after data published on Tuesday showed nationwide fatalities topped 24,000 nine days ago.

A day after Prime Minister Boris Johnson spoke of success in dealing with the outbreak, the new figures showed the week ending April 17 was Britain’s deadliest since comparable records began in 1993.

The Office for National Statistics said 21,284 people had died in England by April 17 with mentions of COVID-19 on their death certificate. Together with figures from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the total United Kingdom death toll was at least 24,000 as of April 19.

“The United Kingdom is going to be right up there among the worst-hit nations in the initial surge,” said Bill Hanage, associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

“With the most optimistic views of the amount of immunity that might be being generated, it would be still not be close to having enough to be able to return to normal,” he told Reuters.

Unlike the hospital death tolls announced daily by the government, the fresh figures include deaths in community settings, such as care homes where overall fatalities have trebled in a few weeks.

Overall, Tuesday’s figures for COVID-19 deaths in England and Wales up to April 17 were more than 50% higher than the daily toll for deaths in hospitals initially announced by the government.

More:  https://www.oann.com/covid-19-deaths-in-england-and-wales-35-higher-than-early-stats-showed-ons/ (https://www.oann.com/covid-19-deaths-in-england-and-wales-35-higher-than-early-stats-showed-ons/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 28, 2020, 03:12:05 pm
Quote
Italy’s prime minister defends snail-paced end to lockdown
OAN, Apr 28, 2020

ROME (Reuters) – Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte defended himself on Tuesday from widespread criticism of his highly cautious plans for a slow-placed end to Europe’s longest coronavirus lockdown.

The government has said strict curbs put in place seven weeks ago to curb the disease would be eased from May 4, when parks, factories and construction sites reopen.

However shops must remain shuttered until May 18, while restaurants, bars and hairdressers will stay closed until June 1 and students won’t be back at school before September.

The softly-softly approach has been criticised by businesses, lambasted by the opposition and even questioned by parties within Conte’s fragile coalition, worried by the huge economic and social toll of the long-lasting clampdown.

But the prime minister said he had no regrets.

“If I could turn the clock back, I’d do it all again,” Conte told La Stampa daily. “I cannot let myself be swayed by public opinion, even if I understand those feelings very well myself.”

Conte acknowledged the scientific committee advising him was “rigid”, but said the overriding concern was to prevent a second wave of infections.


More:  https://www.oann.com/italys-prime-minister-defends-snail-paced-end-to-lockdown/ (https://www.oann.com/italys-prime-minister-defends-snail-paced-end-to-lockdown/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 28, 2020, 03:16:54 pm
When your culture basically is built around violation of personal space?

I can actually see his point, 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 28, 2020, 03:26:52 pm
There may be something about the Health System in the UK which is allowing the disease to advance farther before treatment. If it reaches the point where hospitalization is required, the prognosis tends to be less rosy.

Early and aggressive treatment seems to be far more effective.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 30, 2020, 10:46:32 pm
Quote
Trump Says Sweden ‘Paying Heavily’ For Not Imposing Lockdown
Epoch Times, Apr 30, 2020

President Donald Trump said Sweden is “paying heavily” for not locking down the country, as much of the rest of the world has, amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

Trump, in a critical tweet Thursday, cited the difference in death counts between lockdown-resistant Sweden and its neighbors, which have imposed stiff curbs on citizens in a bid to stem the spread of COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.

“Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443),” the president wrote, adding, “The United States made the correct decision!”

As the virus spread, Denmark and Norway were quick to close borders and shut schools, while Finland moved to restrict urban centers and closed most of its schools.

Sweden, by contrast, focused on isolating and treating the sick rather than closing down swathes of society.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-sweden-paying-heavily-for-not-imposing-lockdown_3333554.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-sweden-paying-heavily-for-not-imposing-lockdown_3333554.html)

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on April 30, 2020, 10:49:09 pm
Chinese Communist Party ....CCP Virus????


(I like that terminology, and hope it sticks)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 01, 2020, 12:36:27 am
[quote“Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443),”][/quote]

Am I the only one wondering if most of these deaths are occuring in the Muslim ghettoes?

That might be why they don't seem to give a damn.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 01, 2020, 03:11:43 am
[quote“Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443),”]

Am I the only one wondering if most of these deaths are occuring in the Muslim ghettoes?

That might be why they don't seem to give a damn.
I guess it is possible that this is the inadvertent solution to their immigration problem  888mouth :whistle:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 01, 2020, 02:13:05 pm
There may be something about the Health System in the UK which is allowing the disease to advance farther before treatment. If it reaches the point where hospitalization is required, the prognosis tends to be less rosy.

Early and aggressive treatment seems to be far more effective.

The UK health system is still not in great shape because it's still trying to recover from decades of socialized medicine.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 01, 2020, 05:53:36 pm
BREAKING NEWS!

The latest update is "Weeze all agona DIE! EEEEEK! EEEEEK! EEEEK!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 01, 2020, 08:13:48 pm
I was looking at the numbers of deaths in the IHME model for the US and Sweden yesterday.  At that time, the last day of actual reported deaths was the 27th, with other dates past that as projected.

As of April 27, deaths per 100,000 population:

US:  0.17
Sweden:  0.23

The predicted total deaths per 100,000 population (if you believe the model, but what else have we got to go on?):

US:  0.22
Sweden:  1.69

It would be interesting to see how much lower the US numbers would be without the greater NYC numbers being factored in.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 01, 2020, 08:55:59 pm
I was looking at the numbers of deaths in the IHME model for the US and Sweden yesterday.  At that time, the last day of actual reported deaths was the 27th, with other dates past that as projected.

As of April 27, deaths per 100,000 population:

US:  0.17
Sweden:  0.23

The predicted total deaths per 100,000 population (if you believe the model, but what else have we got to go on?):

US:  0.22
Sweden:  1.69

It would be interesting to see how much lower the US numbers would be without the greater NYC numbers being factored in.
I forget who did, but I recall that by itself, NYC (and the surrounding counties) was number 1 in deaths/million population, compared to the rest of the countries in the world. The rest of the US didn't make the top ten.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 02, 2020, 02:10:29 am
I was looking at the numbers of deaths in the IHME model for the US and Sweden yesterday.  At that time, the last day of actual reported deaths was the 27th, with other dates past that as projected.

As of April 27, deaths per 100,000 population:

US:  0.17
Sweden:  0.23

The predicted total deaths per 100,000 population (if you believe the model, but what else have we got to go on?):

US:  0.22
Sweden:  1.69

It would be interesting to see how much lower the US numbers would be without the greater NYC numbers being factored in.

@LadyLiberty

It would be even more interesting to see them if they weren't padded with the deaths of people who id NOT die from the virus so NYC got more money.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 02, 2020, 02:18:11 am
@LadyLiberty

It would be even more interesting to see them if they weren't padded with the deaths of people who id NOT die from the virus so NYC got more money.
The same thing was going on in PA, and the County coroners cried foul.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on May 09, 2020, 02:59:41 pm
Coronavirus by Air: The spread of Covid-19 in the Middle East
BBC

An investigation by BBC News Arabic has analysed flight tracking data and open source footage which shows how Iran's largest airline - Mahan Air - continued to fly while government flight bans were in place, and contributed to the spread of Covid-19 in the Middle East.

Mahan Air ran hundreds of flights to and from Iran, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates and Syria between late January and the end of March. All these countries gave Mahan Air permission to land. And they did so while their own bans on routine flights from Iran were in place.

Sources within the airline told the BBC that dozens of Mahan Air's cabin crew were showing symptoms of Covid-19 and that when staff tried to raise concerns about the airline's management of the crisis and provision of safety equipment, they were silenced.

Mahan Air is sanctioned by the US for its links to the powerful Iranian Revolutionary Guard. ...
Full story and video at BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-52537663/coronavirus-by-air-the-spread-of-covid-19-in-the-middle-east)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 09, 2020, 03:04:11 pm
This was a BAD thing?????

Is there somewhere we can send money to encourage more of it?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 09, 2020, 03:41:16 pm
This was a BAD thing?????

Is there somewhere we can send money to encourage more of it?
Raffle off free tickets...(why not make money doing it?)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 09, 2020, 03:50:49 pm
Raffle off free tickets...(why not make money doing it?)

@Smokin Joe

Can't do it without getting arrested. The government hates competition.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 09, 2020, 03:54:19 pm
@Smokin Joe

Can't do it without getting arrested. The government hates competition.
In some places raffles are taxed...the House gets its cut, anyway. Make it a 'skill contest' where they have to answer a question like 1+1=? and the winner is drawn at random from the correct answers, which are tendered with a submission fee to cover processing.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 09, 2020, 04:09:50 pm
In some places raffles are taxed...the House gets its cut, anyway. Make it a 'skill contest' where they have to answer a question like 1+1=? and the winner is drawn at random from the correct answers, which are tendered with a submission fee to cover processing.

@Smokin Joe

Yeah,you realize I have chemo brain,right? On a good day I can go to the grocery store and not wonder if I am going to have to go to GPS to get directions back home.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 09, 2020, 04:13:00 pm
@Smokin Joe

Yeah,you realize I have chemo brain,right? On a good day I can go to the grocery store and not wonder if I am going to have to go to GPS to get directions back home.
Try breadcrumbs, bro. You might get lost, anyway, but the birds will love you.

Seriously, carry spare batteries. I hope your head clears and the chemo does you some good.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 09, 2020, 05:32:00 pm
Seoul city orders clubs, bars to close following group infection in Itaewon
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200509000029 (http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200509000029)

The Seoul city government on Saturday effectively suspended business at clubs and bars in the city after recent infections in the city's popular multicultural neighborhood of Itaewon put health authorities on alert over a possibly bigger outbreak.

Under an administrative order that has gone into effect immediately, all clubs, bars, "room salons" and other nightlife establishments across the capital will be banned from hosting crowds of people, virtually suspending businesses at such venues.

South Korea reported 18 new cases Saturday, with 17 of those linked to the clubber. But health authorities forecast the number to further rise considering that at least 1,500 people signed in entry logs at the affected facilities.

(excerpt)

Uh-oh.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 09, 2020, 07:03:42 pm
This is not a good sign.  South Korea has been called a success story.  Maybe too soon to be celebrating??
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on May 09, 2020, 09:05:25 pm
Ezra Levant  @ezralevant

Good news: not a single person in Canada under age 20 has died from the virus. Not one. Only two were admitted to intensive care and they both recovered. So why are schools closed? And waiters, waitresses, bartenders and store clerks — usually young people — banned from work?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXmBodlXQAEppDs?format=jpg&name=small)

1:55 PM · May 9, 2020
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 09, 2020, 09:51:09 pm
This is not a good sign.  South Korea has been called a success story.  Maybe too soon to be celebrating??

I, for one, am not about to do any celebrating, other than Mrs. Liberty's and my good health (so far).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 09, 2020, 11:07:08 pm
I, for one, am not about to do any celebrating, other than Mrs. Liberty's and my good health (so far).

Sounds wise.

WAY too early to be drawing conclusions or celebrating anything. There’s far too much that’s still unknown.  I’ve read multiple stories about people who have recovered from Covid, but have stayed very, very sick from all the complications.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 09, 2020, 11:08:39 pm
Ezra Levant  @ezralevant

Good news: not a single person in Canada under age 20 has died from the virus. Not one. Only two were admitted to intensive care and they both recovered. So why are schools closed? And waiters, waitresses, bartenders and store clerks — usually young people — banned from work?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXmBodlXQAEppDs?format=jpg&name=small)

1:55 PM · May 9, 2020

Because young people can be carriers.

This has been known from very early on.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 10, 2020, 02:24:14 am
Because young people can be carriers.

This has been known from very early on.
The biggest risk of being a carrier, especially a spreader, though, is through travel and barhopping, which transfer the virus from one population to another.

Based on the antibody testing in New York, essential workers have an even lower rate of infection than the general public.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 10, 2020, 02:53:48 am
The biggest risk of being a carrier, especially a spreader, though, is through travel and barhopping, which transfer the virus from one population to another.

Exactly.  The upper-crust people in that spreading scenario call that, "slumming."

Quote
Based on the antibody testing in New York, essential workers have an even lower rate of infection than the general public.

Yes, those results have been duplicated in some other hot spots, LA and San Francisco to name two, and there are others.  Far more people than expected got infected, got over it and were asymptomatic the whole time (or close enough to it).  Some people will choose to get tested for the antibodies, and some won't.  Our job is to ensure the tyrants don't trample all over the rights of the latter group, and we know they want to do it so badly they can taste it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 10, 2020, 05:49:59 am
Ezra Levant  @ezralevant

Good news: not a single person in Canada under age 20 has died from the virus. Not one. Only two were admitted to intensive care and they both recovered. So why are schools closed? And waiters, waitresses, bartenders and store clerks — usually young people — banned from work?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXmBodlXQAEppDs?format=jpg&name=small)

1:55 PM · May 9, 2020

@mountaineer

Because how are you going to cause a panic and blame the economy crashing on Trump if people are still going to work and the economy is still booming?

Blaming Trump for this is the ONLY chance the Dims have of winning,and the self-styled "Republican Purists" who are working with them are going along with the Dim accussations because they KNOW whatever loon is the fringe candidate they support has less chance than me of winning,and I ain't running.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 10, 2020, 05:55:23 am
Because young people can be carriers.

This has been known from very early on.

@musiclady

It has also been known for decades that it is virtually impossible to protect yourself from a virus that travels through the air,unless you live alone in a cave somewhere in the mountains with no one else living within 50 miles of you.

Getting it or not getting it is simply a matter of luck as much as anything else.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 10, 2020, 06:08:18 am
@mountaineer

Because how are you going to cause a panic and blame the economy crashing on Trump if people are still going to work and the economy is still booming?

Blaming Trump for this is the ONLY chance the Dims have of winning,and the self-styled "Republican Purists" who are working with them are going along with the Dim accussations because they KNOW whatever loon is the fringe candidate they support has less chance than me of winning,and I ain't running.
Are the Canadians voting in our elections, too?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 10, 2020, 06:28:36 am
Are the Canadians voting in our elections, too?

@Smokin Joe

Why not? The Chinese are. Hell,they even control the US Congress through their agents,Pelosi and her husband.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 10, 2020, 06:41:13 am
@Smokin Joe

Why not? The Chinese are. Hell,they even control the US Congress through their agents,Pelosi and her husband.
And here I thought it was the meskins.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 10, 2020, 07:28:11 pm
And here I thought it was the meskins.

@Smokin Joe

Why? They don't even control Mexico.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 10, 2020, 07:40:42 pm
@Smokin Joe

Why? They don't even control Mexico.
What? did the Salvadorans buy that with the drug money from the US?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 11, 2020, 01:44:43 am
What? did the Salvadorans buy that with the drug money from the US?



@Smokin Joe

If you really think Mexico is under control,you don't get out enough.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 11, 2020, 01:53:14 am


@Smokin Joe

If you really think Mexico is under control,you don't get out enough.
I'd have to drive 1400+ miles past South Main if I wanted to go see.

I don't need to get out that much. I never said it was under control, but someone is pulling the strings that have all this chaos going on, and you don't believe in that shit.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 11, 2020, 05:24:34 pm
I'd have to drive 1400+ miles past South Main if I wanted to go see.

I don't need to get out that much. I never said it was under control, but someone is pulling the strings that have all this chaos going on, and you don't believe in that shit.

@Smokin Joe
ROFLMAO!  I see it. The difference is I want to fight and defeat it,not since on my porch and whine "the world ain't perfect! Woe is me! Let's blame it on Bad Orange Man and kick him out of office!

No,that won't do anything other than hasten the end of America,but just look at how good we can feel about ourselves for taking the high ground!"
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 11, 2020, 05:31:23 pm
@Smokin Joe
ROFLMAO!  I see it. The difference is I want to fight and defeat it,not since on my porch and whine "the world ain't perfect! Woe is me! Let's blame it on Bad Orange Man and kick him out of office!

No,that won't do anything other than hasten the end of America,but just look at how good we can feel about ourselves for taking the high ground!"

I think this might be misrepresenting what @Smokin Joe posted....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 11, 2020, 11:08:11 pm
@Smokin Joe
ROFLMAO!  I see it. The difference is I want to fight and defeat it,not since on my porch and whine "the world ain't perfect! Woe is me! Let's blame it on Bad Orange Man and kick him out of office!

No,that won't do anything other than hasten the end of America,but just look at how good we can feel about ourselves for taking the high ground!"
Will you quit shoving "Orange Man Bad" around like a race card?
It buys you just as much, so don't throw that chimp turd at me.

It is 1400 3/4 miles from my doorstep to Mexico, (on;y 70 to Canada, so maybe I should watch for frostbacks instead, not that we've had much of a problem with that. I don't need to go to Mexico to know it's a free for all down there.
I can't really blame the poor folks for wanting to get out. They lack the tools and the training and the organization to do much about their country, and the Rio Grande would run red with their blood if they tried because they are outgunned.

So how are you gonna fight it and defeat it?
I'm open to suggestions.
About the only thing we have here that will reach is in silos in the prairie I have no access to.
That isn't whining, and it's probably just as well.

As for the poiticians, If you could stack words in a pile, the border would be secure from so much as an ant (They wouldn't be able to get under, through, or over that barrier), but you can't stack promises, and all those promises mean just jack.
Of late some barrier has been built, some has been vastly improved, and some parts don't much need one,but the access road that can be patrolled, the double barrier with the sand strips, and funding for a force with the will and authorization to do so is a good thing. And I never said that wasn't.

But some where on this planet, some sh*tbirds are making a lot of money with things just the way they are, and I'd bet dimes to donuts most of then either have been or are employed in DC. The others are Globalists who can't count their take fast enough, and not one of either group gives a damn about this Country, you, me, or the people down the lane.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on May 12, 2020, 02:21:30 pm
Jordan Schachtel   @JordanSchachtel
The man behind the popular doomsday projections for COVID-19, which claimed 2MM dead Americans, whose data unleashed global panic and hysteria, reveals he wrote the code for his model 13 years ago.
11:56 PM · Mar 23, 2020

He's referring to this thread:
Quote
neil_ferguson    @neil_ferguson
I’m conscious that lots of people would like to see and run the pandemic simulation code we are using to model control measures against COVID-19.  To explain the background - I wrote the code (thousands of lines of undocumented C) 13+ years ago to model flu pandemics...
5:13 PM · Mar 22, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

I am happy to say that @Microsoft  and @GitHub  are working with @Imperial_JIDEA  and @MRC_Outbreak
  to document, refactor and extend the code to allow others to use without the multiple days training it would currently require (and which we don’t have time to give)...

They are also working with us to develop a web-based front end to allow public health policy makers from around the world to make use of the model in planning. We hope to make v1 releases of both the source and front end in the next 7-10 days...

That timescale reflects the balancing of those priorities with the multitude of other urgent policy-relevant COVID-19 questions we are addressing....

As well as the partners listed above, I would also like to thank all the other individuals and orgs who have offered to help. It is appreciated, but we only have limited bandwidth to manage such partnerships right now. We hope to bring more partners on board over time.
*****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 12, 2020, 02:51:40 pm
Jordan Schachtel   @JordanSchachtel
The man behind the popular doomsday projections for COVID-19, which claimed 2MM dead Americans, whose data unleashed global panic and hysteria, reveals he wrote the code for his model 13 years ago.
11:56 PM · Mar 23, 2020

He's referring to this thread: *****rollingeyes*****

@mountaineer

Ok,I don't really see this as being a major problem. He was mapping out a plan for dealing with the flu,and this crap is just another version of the flu.

Once you have a basic plan in place to cover all or most of the existing problems that can be expected to pop up,and you can modify it as needed.

Nothing new about this. Ask any General or Admiral in all of  history if they ever had a concise battle plan that survived the first shot being fired by the other side and didn't have to adapt his original plan.

It is the reality of life and there is nothing that can be done about it other than to prepare a plan flexible enough to be adaptable to changing conditions.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on May 15, 2020, 11:55:39 am
Quote
Slovenia calls an official end to its coronavirus epidemic
EURACTIV.com (https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/slovenia-calls-an-official-end-to-its-coronavirus-epidemic/) with Reuters

The Slovenian government late on Thursday (14 May) called an official end to its coronavirus epidemic, becoming the first European country to do so, after authorities confirmed less than seven new coronavirus cases each day for the past two weeks.

People now arriving in Slovenia from other European Union states will no longer be obliged to go into a quarantine for at least seven days as was the case from early April, the government said in a statement.

Citizens will still have to follow basic rules to prevent a possible spread of infection, the government said without elaborating.

People have been required to wear masks in indoor public spaces, stand at least 1.5 metres (5 feet) apart and disinfect hands upon entering public spaces.

Since the middle of March, Slovenia has closed all schools, sports and cultural institutions, bars, restaurants, hotels and shops apart from food and drug stores, while cancelling public transport. ...
I've been following on Facebook a hotel in Switzerland that I've considered visiting next year. They posted yesterday that the hotel and restaurant were reopening today. Two meter "social distancing" is in effect.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 15, 2020, 01:02:48 pm
I've been following on Facebook a hotel in Switzerland that I've considered visiting next year. They posted yesterday that the hotel and restaurant were reopening today. Two meter "social distancing" is in effect.

2 meters rather than 6 feet? What's a European going to do with an extra 6 inches?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 15, 2020, 01:37:08 pm
@mountaineer

Ok,I don't really see this as being a major problem. He was mapping out a plan for dealing with the flu,and this crap is just another version of the flu.

Once you have a basic plan in place to cover all or most of the existing problems that can be expected to pop up,and you can modify it as needed.

Nothing new about this. Ask any General or Admiral in all of  history if they ever had a concise battle plan that survived the first shot being fired by the other side and didn't have to adapt his original plan.

It is the reality of life and there is nothing that can be done about it other than to prepare a plan flexible enough to be adaptable to changing conditions.

Just like hospitals have had plans for decades for this kind of situation.

Just talked with a local infectious disease specialist who saw what could be coming in February and began making plans for a COVID ward, extra PPE's fitted for specific health care workers, coordinating staff that would not go to other wings of the hospital....

That's what sharp leaders do............. they PLAN.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Gefn on May 17, 2020, 10:44:56 am
@musiclady

It has also been known for decades that it is virtually impossible to protect yourself from a virus that travels through the air,unless you live alone in a cave somewhere in the mountains with no one else living within 50 miles of you.

Getting it or not getting it is simply a matter of luck as much as anything else.

We didn’t close the country during the Spanish Flu last century. Do we need a Great Depression two centuries in a row? Maybe the world is hoping history will now repeat itself, 3 Presidents in the Roaring Twenties. (Harding, Coolidge, Hoover) and then a 4 term FDR. Only this time, a one term Republican, a one term Democrat and then some Youngish Democrat they can put in for three or four terms because you can always get rid of the amendment that went into effect after FDR limiting a president to two terms. Probably too, a World War will occur because the US and Europe will be so crippled by debt, lack of jobs, etc, and someone, some country will see the Darwinian principle in play.

Or I could just be guilty of reading too much Science Fiction during lockdown, and from lack of sleep my mind is playing tricks on me and my imagination is running wild.  :shrug: :thud:

Mirror universes/alternate history has been really a fascinating read.  :blonde moment: :coffee!:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2020, 11:35:12 pm
We didn’t close the country during the Spanish Flu last century. Do we need a Great Depression two centuries in a row? Maybe the world is hoping history will now repeat itself, 3 Presidents in the Roaring Twenties. (Harding, Coolidge, Hoover) and then a 4 term FDR. Only this time, a one term Republican, a one term Democrat and then some Youngish Democrat they can put in for three or four terms because you can always get rid of the amendment that went into effect after FDR limiting a president to two terms. Probably too, a World War will occur because the US and Europe will be so crippled by debt, lack of jobs, etc, and someone, some country will see the Darwinian principle in play.

Or I could just be guilty of reading too much Science Fiction during lockdown, and from lack of sleep my mind is playing tricks on me and my imagination is running wild.  :shrug: :thud:

Mirror universes/alternate history has been really a fascinating read.  :blonde moment: :coffee!:
Sometimes being tired opens windows into the imagination that are insight.

History often repeats itself, and the one thing we learn from that is that people just don't learn from history.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 17, 2020, 11:43:38 pm
Sometimes being tired opens windows into the imagination that are insight.


@Smokin Joe

Not to mention that oftentimes those words that may have been unimaginable to you in your conscious state,were already imagined and put into play by someone else without a conscious long before it occurred to you.

What is "unimaginable" to most people are things that happen when we stop paying attention to what is going on around us.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2020, 11:54:01 pm
@Smokin Joe

Not to mention that oftentimes those words that may have been unimaginable to you in your conscious state,were already imagined and put into play by someone else without a conscious long before it occurred to you.

What is "unimaginable" to most people are things that happen when we stop paying attention to what is going on around us.
Too many people get tunnel vision and miss things happening right next to them.


I noticed that working with a bunch of archaeology students in a field camp. They had an idea what they were looking for, rather than just seeing what was there.

They walked right over stuff a couple of us could see from 25-30 feet away.
If you just take it in, without looking 'for' something, it's amazing what pops out at you.

With more complex problems, If I get to sleep on it, it's amazing how often I wake up with the solution.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 18, 2020, 01:10:42 am

They walked right over stuff a couple of us could see from 25-30 feet away.
If you just take it in, without looking 'for' something, it's amazing what pops out at you.

With more complex problems, If I get to sleep on it, it's amazing how often I wake up with the solution.

@Smokin Joe

In this modern,complex world of today our conscious minds have so much daily crap to sort through and establish priorities,that it just doesn't have time to sort through the casual "mental clutter" that usually occupies the "back of our minds". It's not essential to the survival of the body,so it gets "parked in the waiting room" and "considered off and on" during the day,as the mind finds free time.

Which is a good thing because it seems like the harder we try to remember some small detail or make sense of something,the less we seem to know about it.

Then you will be walking around,watching tv,eating dinner,driving home from work,etc,etc,etc, and have an "Eureka!" moment.

It has been my experience that the harder I try to remember something,the less likely it is to happen.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 18, 2020, 01:20:10 am
@Smokin Joe

In this modern,complex world of today our conscious minds have so much daily crap to sort through and establish priorities,that it just doesn't have time to sort through the casual "mental clutter" that usually occupies the "back of our minds". It's not essential to the survival of the body,so it gets "parked in the waiting room" and "considered off and on" during the day,as the mind finds free time.

Which is a good thing because it seems like the harder we try to remember some small detail or make sense of something,the less we seem to know about it.

Then you will be walking around,watching tv,eating dinner,driving home from work,etc,etc,etc, and have an "Eureka!" moment.

It has been my experience that the harder I try to remember something,the less likely it is to happen.

You can imagine my wife's reaction to me sitting up in the middle of the night and saying "Tonopah!"

I had been talking with a friend about a well in the Tikaboo Valley in NV and couldn't remember the name of the airbase the overflying A-10s, C-130s and occasional F-16 were supposedly flying out of. (About 25 miles west of us was Area 51, so who knows for sure. No, I didn't see any UFOs and I worked nights.).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Bigun on May 18, 2020, 01:28:38 am
Sometimes being tired opens windows into the imagination that are insight.

History often repeats itself, and the one thing we learn from that is that people just don't learn from history.

"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."

Aldous Huxley
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 18, 2020, 06:01:04 pm
You can imagine my wife's reaction to me sitting up in the middle of the night and saying "Tonopah!"

I had been talking with a friend about a well in the Tikaboo Valley in NV and couldn't remember the name of the airbase the overflying A-10s, C-130s and occasional F-16 were supposedly flying out of. (About 25 miles west of us was Area 51, so who knows for sure. No, I didn't see any UFOs and I worked nights.).

...Tuscon to Tucumcari,
Tehachapi to Tonapah.............
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on May 18, 2020, 07:17:47 pm
The Governor of Texas is speaking now about opening up more of Texas.  God bless Governor Abbott!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 18, 2020, 10:21:35 pm
...Tuscon to Tucumcari,
Tehachapi to Tonapah.............

Driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
Driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed.

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqv85coyTw#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 18, 2020, 10:43:23 pm
Driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
Driven the back roads so I wouldn't get weighed.

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqv85coyTw#)

Lowell George did the best version of that song,which is only fitting given that he wrote it,but Linda Ronstadt tore it up,also.

That woman could sing the HELL out of anything.

I bought tickets to see Little Feat for the 3rd time the week before Lowell George died. I am still mad at him for dying,and will still be mad at him for dying the day I die. He had a MASSIVE amount of talent,and blew it all away with a needle in his arm.
 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 18, 2020, 10:51:18 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJHcD0kHTGk#)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 19, 2020, 05:05:41 pm
@sneakypete
@Hoodat

 :beer:

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 22, 2020, 10:35:35 am
Children and older adults to take part in coronavirus vaccine trial

Children and older adults are to be included in the second phase of vaccine trials to protect against coronavirus.

The first phase of the University of Oxford trial began in April, involving 1,000 healthy adults aged 55 and under. Now more than 10,200 people - including over 70s and five to 12-year-olds - will be enrolled in the study, to see the effects on their immune system.

(excerpt)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52760871 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52760871)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 22, 2020, 02:21:23 pm
Total Confirmed Cases Worldwide..... 5,128,492 
Total Confirmed Deaths Worldwide...... 333,489 
Global Recoveries..... 1,966,135


(Lest we think it's all about us).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 22, 2020, 03:10:00 pm
Total Confirmed Cases Worldwide..... 5,128,492 
Total Confirmed Deaths Worldwide...... 333,489 
Global Recoveries..... 1,966,135


(Lest we think it's all about us).

What has been most bothersome is  the lack of epidemiological followup on the stats in the area of recoveries.  Seems we have had a perpetual backlog of 60% cases in limbo. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 22, 2020, 03:13:19 pm
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Ronstadt was a gorgeous woman in the day.  Too bad she turned into a left wing ugly troll. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 22, 2020, 04:44:31 pm
Ronstadt was a gorgeous woman in the day.  Too bad she turned into a left wing ugly troll.

@catfish1957

True,but her appearance had and has nothing to do with her politics. She was born into them as a Trust Fund Child in a very wealthy family. On top of that,she had the gift of that incredible voice.

So naturally,once she started hanging out with "struggling musicians" who had trouble paying rent and feeding themselves,she started feeling guilty for having to much.

This is America,and she is free to believe any damnfool thing she wants to believe in order to feel better about herself.

I haven't spent a dime on a concert ticket or an album or CD since I found out she was a dedicated leftie. I did see her in concert a few times,like once when she was the opening act for The Eagles,but it was the Eagles I was paying to see.

What is a true tragedy for the world ,as well as for her personally,is she has lost that magnificent voice. It was always,and rightly so,her claim to fame. Now she has lost it,and given the business she was in,has lost almost everyone she thought was a friend when the voice went away.

She is just lately coming to understand the realities of the true world,and I can guarantee you it is painful for her.

BTW,I strongly suspect a large part of her affiliation with the left is because she is,and has always been,a lesbian,and while the loons of the left think that is something to celebrate as much as her voice,the loons on the right would have wanted to see her burned at a stake for it.

I guess it is possible to support Republicans if you are a homo,but it's gotta be a tough hill to climb.

Love her or hate her,that woman could SING!

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 22, 2020, 05:13:24 pm
Total Confirmed Cases Worldwide..... 5,128,492 
Total Confirmed Deaths Worldwide...... 333,489 
Global Recoveries..... 1,966,135


(Lest we think it's all about us).

Excluding China's numbers here (because the Chicoms have proven they can't be trusted)

Confirmed global cases (excluding US):  3,486,627
Confirmed US cases:  1,620,902

Assumed global deaths (excluding US):  233,185
Assumed US deaths:  96,354

Reported global recoveries (excluding US):  1,618,599
Reported US recoveries:  382,169

The US makes up 31.7% of confirmed cases worldwide, but only 29.2% of assumed deaths, even with US death numbers being intentionally inflated.  Yet even with fewer deaths, the US makes up only 19.1% of reported recoveries worldwide.  Can you say 'political agenda'?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 22, 2020, 05:14:57 pm
@catfish1957I haven't spent a dime on a concert ticket or an album or CD since I found out she was a dedicated leftie. I did see her in concert a few times,like once when she was the opening act for The Eagles,but it was the Eagles I was paying to see.

I would pay not to hear the Eagles.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 22, 2020, 05:15:35 pm
What has been most bothersome is  the lack of epidemiological followup on the stats in the area of recoveries.  Seems we have had a perpetual backlog of 60% cases in limbo.

Correctamundo.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 22, 2020, 05:31:59 pm
I would pay not to hear the Eagles.

Not much point in it without Glenn Frye.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 22, 2020, 05:35:52 pm
I would pay not to hear the Eagles.

@Hoodat

I am not responsible for your sanity,but thank you for warning us about it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 22, 2020, 05:38:17 pm
Not much point in it without Glenn Frye.

@Cyber Liberty

True,but then again,there is not much point in it,anyhow. How many decades have passed since they put out a new album/CD?

They are all so old they are no longer able to rock,but they can probably roll ok if they can hire someone to push the chair.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 22, 2020, 07:20:29 pm
What has been most bothersome is  the lack of epidemiological followup on the stats in the area of recoveries.  Seems we have had a perpetual backlog of 60% cases in limbo.

In the Johns Hopkins dashboard, in the column all the way to the right it lists deaths and recoveries for each state.  MANY states are not reporting their recoveries, and as long as they do not, the number of currently infected is garbage as well. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on May 23, 2020, 10:05:13 am
What has been most bothersome is  the lack of epidemiological followup on the stats in the area of recoveries.  Seems we have had a perpetual backlog of 60% cases in limbo.

@LadyLiberty
In the Johns Hopkins dashboard, in the column all the way to the right it lists deaths and recoveries for each state.  MANY states are not reporting their recoveries, and as long as they do not, the number of currently infected is garbage as well. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on May 23, 2020, 10:44:03 am
@LadyLiberty

Side note. Can't link this article cause I can't remember the source, but it was from a peer-reviewed source. The Johns Hopkins is only a stat board/platform developed a few years ago. Saying it is only posting within that data sent to it. It is only computing values within its parameters/programming

Like climate prediction models. Like Roise the cartoon robot to Ex Machina.

Shit to Shinola.

@jmyrlefuller @Hoodat  On top of it.

I look at all of it. Your sourced material/article/stats

 888high58888

The world infometer. Those people apparently count a big set.

And thanks for the people with different opinion. Target rich environment.
anyway

To not be concerned about a health threat is stupid. To overreact is stupid. But forgivable if you tell us the truth. TELL us the truth. Then let US decide.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 23, 2020, 10:57:41 am
Coronavirus may have reached Italy by November, U.S. by December

The bishop of the Buffalo Catholic Diocese tested inconclusively for coronavirus antibodies. He had been in Rome in November 2019, then was installed as bishop in December and has been here ever since.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/report-bishop-scharfenberger-might-have-had-coronavirus/71-9ebd2c24-c89a-470a-a7df-fa2e39a1c6d3 (https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/report-bishop-scharfenberger-might-have-had-coronavirus/71-9ebd2c24-c89a-470a-a7df-fa2e39a1c6d3)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on May 23, 2020, 12:43:58 pm
Coronavirus may have reached Italy by November, U.S. by December

The bishop of the Buffalo Catholic Diocese tested inconclusively for coronavirus antibodies. He had been in Rome in November 2019, then was installed as bishop in December and has been here ever since.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/report-bishop-scharfenberger-might-have-had-coronavirus/71-9ebd2c24-c89a-470a-a7df-fa2e39a1c6d3 (https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/report-bishop-scharfenberger-might-have-had-coronavirus/71-9ebd2c24-c89a-470a-a7df-fa2e39a1c6d3)

I want your opinion. They are giving us this narrative now that this virus started small and suddenly mutated "bloomed" into a worldwide pandemic? Not buying that.The more they try to cover a pile with a pile makes it more look like a pile. IMO.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 23, 2020, 01:07:00 pm
In the Johns Hopkins dashboard, in the column all the way to the right it lists deaths and recoveries for each state. MANY states are not reporting their recoveries, and as long as they do not, the number of currently infected is garbage as well.

@LadyLiberty

You don't think that is political to keep Slow Joe from being set loose on America with no filter,do you? </S>
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 23, 2020, 01:10:39 pm
Coronavirus may have reached Italy by November, U.S. by December

The bishop of the Buffalo Catholic Diocese tested inconclusively for coronavirus antibodies.

@jmyrlefuller

"tested inconclusively"?????? Has there ever been a LESS informative news brief?

Am I the only one getting brain-freeze on this one?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: bigheadfred on May 23, 2020, 04:09:34 pm
@jmyrlefuller

"tested inconclusively"?????? Has there ever been a LESS informative news brief?

Am I the only one getting brain-freeze on this one?

Nah. I just stepped outside to smoke. Two inches of new snow and counting  I shoulda put on some panties. Oh...wait...I stiill can...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 24, 2020, 01:46:51 pm
Did Japan Just Beat the Virus Without Lockdowns or Mass Testing?

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a center for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2% of its population -- one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Analyzing just how Japan defied the odds and contained the virus while disregarding the playbook used by other successful countries has become a national conversation. Only one thing is agreed upon: that there was no silver bullet, no one factor that made the difference.

“Just by looking at death numbers, you can say Japan was successful,” said Mikihito Tanaka, a professor at Waseda University specializing in science communication, and a member of a public advisory group of experts on the virus. “But even experts don’t know the reason.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-22/did-japan-just-beat-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-22/did-japan-just-beat-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 24, 2020, 05:31:14 pm
Quote
Covid-19 Patients Not Infectious After 11 Days: Singapore Study

Covid-19 patients are no longer infectious after 11 days of getting sick even though some may still test positive, according to a new study by infectious disease experts in Singapore.

A positive test “does not equate to infectiousness or viable virus,” a joint research paper by Singapore’s National Centre for Infectious Diseases and the Academy of Medicine, Singapore said. The virus “could not be isolated or cultured after day 11 of illness.”

More:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-24/covid-19-patients-not-infectious-after-11-days-singapore-study (http://ttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-24/covid-19-patients-not-infectious-after-11-days-singapore-study)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 24, 2020, 05:36:16 pm



Seems like the story changes daily.  Late last week we were told that this thing typically doesn't transfer on objects.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LadyLiberty on May 24, 2020, 06:04:43 pm

Seems like the story changes daily.  Late last week we were told that this thing typically doesn't transfer on objects.

The findings in Singapore have nothing to do with virus transfer from objects.  They took samples from infected humans and found that at 11 days out, even though the patients still tested positive, they could not isolate the virus from those patients and culture / grow it in a petri dish.  This indicates that at that point any viral shedding is just viral fragments that are unable to infect someone else. 

If someone else can duplicate this study, it indicates that anyone infected with the virus that is able to recuperate at home may not need to wait for multiple negative tests before they go on about their business. It may even help, because if they are shedding viruses that are nonviable, if others come into contact with the nonviable viruses, it could give them immunity (like a dead virus vaccine).
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 24, 2020, 06:10:34 pm
The findings in Singapore have nothing to do with virus transfer from objects. 

My point was, that it seems we know less about this virus than we know.  And yes, the story changes, and don't be surprised to see the Singapore study be adjusted or wrong with time.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 24, 2020, 09:59:35 pm
The findings in Singapore have nothing to do with virus transfer from objects.  They took samples from infected humans and found that at 11 days out, even though the patients still tested positive, they could not isolate the virus from those patients and culture / grow it in a petri dish.  This indicates that at that point any viral shedding is just viral fragments that are unable to infect someone else. 

If someone else can duplicate this study, it indicates that anyone infected with the virus that is able to recuperate at home may not need to wait for multiple negative tests before they go on about their business. It may even help, because if they are shedding viruses that are nonviable, if others come into contact with the nonviable viruses, it could give them immunity (like a dead virus vaccine).
C0uld be why no lockdown seems to be more effective...

Even though we have been told that antibodies don't confer immunity...

...so we have to wait for a vaccine...

...so we can build antibodies!  9999hair out0000

Brawndo!(It has electrolytes!)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 24, 2020, 10:06:13 pm
C0uld be why no lockdown seems to be more effective...

Even though we have been told that antibodies don't confer immunity...

...so we have to wait for a vaccine...

...so we can build antibodies!  9999hair out0000

Brawndo!(It has electrolytes!)

It should be pointed out that the death rate did not begin to spike until after stay-at-home orders were enacted.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 24, 2020, 10:07:00 pm
It should be pointed out that the death rate did not begin to spike until after stay-at-home orders were enacted.
Good point! Kudos!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 25, 2020, 01:10:26 pm

Seems like the story changes daily.  Late last week we were told that this thing typically doesn't transfer on objects.

That’s how the science of medicine works.  Theories are presented based on present knowledge, and as knowledge increases, best practices are adjusted with the evidence.

This virus is unique, and behaves differently.  As it is studied nd better understood, medical advice changes.

There is nothing nefarious about any of these changes.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2020, 03:05:59 pm
That’s how the science of medicine works.  Theories are presented based on present knowledge, and as knowledge increases, best practices are adjusted with the evidence.

Science has shown us that the virus cannot tolerate high humidity and UV radiation.  In sunshine at temperatures above 70°F and  80% humidity, the half-life of the virus falls below 1.5 seconds.  Yet we have governors in this country who continue to order their subjects confined indoors in closed low humidity environments devoid of UV radiation.

Let's be honest here.  Science has NOTHING to do with the draconian un-(state)-constitutional edicts that continue to remain in effect from fascist governors.  And as each and every reason given for the shutdown falls by the wayside, they simply invent new ones.  Science?  Bah!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 25, 2020, 03:45:32 pm
Science has shown us that the virus cannot tolerate high humidity and UV radiation.  In sunshine at temperatures above 70°F and  80% humidity, the half-life of the virus falls below 1.5 seconds.  Yet we have governors in this country who continue to order their subjects confined indoors in closed low humidity environments devoid of UV radiation.

Let's be honest here.  Science has NOTHING to do with the draconian un-(state)-constitutional edicts that continue to remain in effect from fascist governors.  And as each and every reason given for the shutdown falls by the wayside, they simply invent new ones.  Science?  Bah!

Yes. Bah on the leftists who abuse and misuse science for their political gain.

But how exactly is that different from dismissing medical and scientific evidence for our own political interests?

What I am seeing from some on the right is the same abuse of truth that the left has been doing for decades.

There is an important line that we dare not cross if we are to remain credible.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2020, 03:50:48 pm
Yes. Bah on the leftists who abuse and misuse science for their political gain.

This isn't a matter of abusing or misusing science.  It is a matter of completely ignoring science.


But how exactly is that different from dismissing medical and scientific evidence for our own political interests.

What I am seeing from some on the right is the same abuse of truth that the left has been doing for decades.

There is an important line that we dare not cross if we are to remain credible.


There is no political agenda when it comes to a sunny surf-filled beach being the safest place to spend the day.

As for trade-offs, I am a student of economics, not politics.  Closing the economy is political.  Opening it is economic.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 25, 2020, 04:30:21 pm
This isn't a matter of abusing or misusing science.  It is a matter of completely ignoring science.



There is no political agenda when it comes to a sunny surf-filled beach being the safest place to spend the day.

As for trade-offs, I am a student of economics, not politics.  Closing the economy is political.  Opening it is economic.

There’s a lot more science going on than that which regards the fact that being outside is healthy.

Those who do best are those who pay attention to both science and economics.  You can tell who they are by the fact that they are being pummeled by both sides with political agendas.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2020, 04:56:02 pm
Those who do best are those who pay attention to both science and economics.

Those who do worst are those who ignore both.  They are those who continue to move the goal posts to justify their shutdown orders.  People are dying because of these orders.  Lives are being destroyed.  They need to end.  This virus will run its course no matter what.  And there is nothing scientific that suggests delaying that proposition will save any lives in the long run.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 25, 2020, 05:24:15 pm
Those who do worst are those who ignore both.  They are those who continue to move the goal posts to justify their shutdown orders.  People are dying because of these orders.  Lives are being destroyed.  They need to end.  This virus will run its course no matter what.  And there is nothing scientific that suggests delaying that proposition will save any lives in the long run.

I have said nothing that disagrees with that.

With whom are you arguing?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 25, 2020, 05:33:29 pm
My point is that there is something nefarious about governors issuing shutdown orders and stay-at-home orders in defiance of their very own state constitutions.  Their decisions were never based on science.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: musiclady on May 25, 2020, 07:07:34 pm
Tell you what............. next time I have a medical appointment and rely on Dr's and scientists I know personally to give me medical advice relying on science, I'll cancel and come to one of you TBR experts who know lots more about science than they do....

I'm sure that will work out well..   *****rollingeyes*****



On second thought, since I personally know, or am related to scores of medical people, I'll rely on them for advice, and not the "scientists" who bloviate here.  And I'll trust their opinions about things like social distancing and masks, and silly things like helping to keep a brand new virus, unlike other viruses, from further spread.

In the meantime, Ohio's economy is open, normal life is returning, the economy will recover, and yet people choose to be angry and protest furiously about losing their 'liberty' by wearing a little piece of cloth on their faces (not mandated in this state) which is proven to protect others from themselves.

Do carry on........   but do have a good Memorial Day remembering people who died for things that really mattered.....   :patriot:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: truth_seeker on May 25, 2020, 07:57:27 pm
So right now, beaches are open/opening in the OC, Calif. (and all over SoCal)

social distancing, masks remain in effect, partially observed. Warmer air.

In a few weeks infections will probably be down, hopefully a lot.

Will we be able to attribute the decreased infections, to warmer weather, more outside fresh air, masks, social distancing, more testing, schools and shopping closures, etc?

One thing is certain:  Memorial Day weekend is a very big deal here, every year. Military planes are to fly over hospitals all around the area.

Happy Memorial Day, in particular to the vets themselves!!
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on May 26, 2020, 12:08:22 pm
Science has shown us that the virus cannot tolerate high humidity and UV radiation.  In sunshine at temperatures above 70°F and  80% humidity, the half-life of the virus falls below 1.5 seconds.  Yet we have governors in this country who continue to order their subjects confined indoors in closed low humidity environments devoid of UV radiation.

Let's be honest here.  Science has NOTHING to do with the draconian un-(state)-constitutional edicts that continue to remain in effect from fascist governors.  And as each and every reason given for the shutdown falls by the wayside, they simply invent new ones.  Science?  Bah!

I grow angrier by the day. Yes, I get angry at blind obedience and utter, spineless, stupidity.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2020, 12:59:26 pm
I grow angrier by the day. Yes, I get angry at blind obedience and utter, spineless, stupidity.

@aligncare

You must stay mad all the time in 21st Century 'murika.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on May 26, 2020, 01:04:59 pm
@aligncare

You must stay mad all the time in 21st Century 'murika.

Yep. It’s anger tinged with heartache for the late, great American experiment.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2020, 01:08:50 pm
Yep. It’s anger tinged with heartache for the late, great American experiment.

@aligncare

Yeah,I can identify with that.

Damn shame there are so many people so in love with the idea of "the perfect" they are willing to throw away "the good" in order to send some sort of message.

We could have a sure-fire win that would set the globalists back at least a decade if it weren't for these prima donnas.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2020, 01:23:43 pm
@sneakypete

Without the folks you call the "prima donnas," the elected politicians tend to forget why we sent them into government.  The old maxim applies:  "When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember your goal was to drain the swamp."

It may not always be appreciated, but these folks are the rudder of this ship, and we cast it away at the peril of navigation.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2020, 01:30:01 pm
@sneakypete

Without the folks you call the "prima donnas," the elected politicians tend to forget why we sent them into government.  The old maxim applies:  "When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember your goal was to drain the swamp."

It may not always be appreciated, but these folks are the rudder of this ship, and we cast it away at the peril of navigation.

@Cyber Liberty

I give you half-points for that because every political movement needs a few "purists" to remind members of the ULTIMATE goal,but when you are chasing after the goal from afar,you do NOT need someone constantly pulling the rug out from under you.

At this point,they are of more benefit to the very people working to destroy the nation than they are the people trying to save it.

The "all or nothing" approach ALWAYS results in your receiving "nothing".
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on May 26, 2020, 01:33:23 pm
@aligncare

Yeah,I can identify with that.

Damn shame there are so many people so in love with the idea of "the perfect" they are willing to throw away "the good" in order to send some sort of message.

We could have a sure-fire win that would set the globalists back at least a decade if it weren't for these prima donnas.

...don’t get me started. Okay, just one more shot across their bow...

If you find yourself constantly criticizing Trump and repeating the same arguments against Trump used by CNN, MSNBC and Adam Schiff, it’s time to question your assumptions and the purpose of your personal war against Trump’s re-election.

They’ll ignore this point and argue some piddling, irrelevant gripe they have about Trump that offends their virtuous self.

Talk about your selfish, self-centered people. It’s all about their virtue, as if only they vote on principles. I hope they lose plenty of sleep when Joe Biden (or his doppelgänger) wins November’s firewall election.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 26, 2020, 01:50:07 pm
@sneakypete

Without the folks you call the "prima donnas," the elected politicians tend to forget why we sent them into government.  The old maxim applies:  "When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember your goal was to drain the swamp."

It may not always be appreciated, but these folks are the rudder of this ship, and we cast it away at the peril of navigation.

Rudder?

Hell, we got Pete up there at Bow of the Ship manning the harpoons.

Forever, I have been a dogmatic ideloglogue, and probably always will be.  I also realize that the left declared outright war on us during the Obama administrationin 2009 when Obama snugly stated "Elections have Consequences".   The problem is that it seems everyone right of center doesn't realize, understand, or would rather rationalize that fact away. 

We're losing this war right now.  As a conservative it pains me to flip the lever for Trump.  But it is one of the last bullets we have left to hold off the left wave.  I hope our hardcore NT faction can see my point.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on May 26, 2020, 02:04:26 pm
Rudder?

Hell, we got Pete up there at Bow of the Ship manning the harpoons.

Forever, I have been a dogmatic ideloglogue, and probably always will be.  I also realize that the left declared outright war on us during the Obama administrationin 2009 when Obama snugly stated "Elections have Consequences".   The problem is that it seems everyone right of center doesn't realize, understand, or would rather rationalize that fact away. 

We're losing this war right now.  As a conservative it pains me to flip the lever for Trump.  But it is one of the last bullets we have left to hold off the left wave.  I hope our hardcore NT faction can see my point.

We’re losing due to “the casual corruption of the ruling class.” (Hat tip to Chris Plante) Fabulous money, cozy relationships and the revolving door between politicians, K Street lawyers and the media.

We should pray for America, but suit up, steel your spine and prepare for political warfare starting with the ballot box.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2020, 07:20:40 pm


Talk about your selfish, self-centered people. It’s all about their virtue, as if only they vote on principles. I hope they lose plenty of sleep when Joe Biden (or his doppelgänger) wins November’s firewall election.

@aligncare

They will be wetting their pants in joy as they shriek "I told you so! Me, I was right. ME! Neener,neener you!"
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on May 26, 2020, 07:44:46 pm
We’re losing due to “the casual corruption of the ruling class.” (Hat tip to Chris Plante) Fabulous money, cozy relationships and the revolving door between politicians, K Street lawyers and the media.

We should pray for America, but suit up, steel your spine and prepare for political warfare starting with the ballot box.

No you are losing to liberalism because it has no opposition. YOU are supposed to be that opposition.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on May 26, 2020, 08:25:10 pm
No you are losing to liberalism because it has no opposition. YOU are supposed to be that opposition.

Word.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Fishrrman on May 26, 2020, 10:10:20 pm
aligncare wrote:
"We’re losing due to “the casual corruption of the ruling class.” (Hat tip to Chris Plante)"

We're losing because of demographics.
Change them, and perhaps there's a chance to preserve what's left for a little while longer.
Fail to change them, and...
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2020, 10:13:18 pm
aligncare wrote:
"We’re losing due to “the casual corruption of the ruling class.” (Hat tip to Chris Plante)"

We're losing because of demographics.
Change them, and perhaps there's a chance to preserve what's left for a little while longer.
Fail to change them, and...

The demographics may be changing, but I don't cede the conservative ground.  Our ideas are better for everybody, and that's been proven every time it's been tried.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on May 26, 2020, 10:18:12 pm

Change them, and perhaps there's a chance to preserve what's left for a little while longer.
Fail to change them, and...

Dude...you know how scary that sounds?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2020, 10:24:04 pm
Dude...you know how scary that sounds?

It sounds like my A/C filters.  It's been wayyy too long since I changed them. rrthree 22222frying pan
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on May 26, 2020, 11:02:31 pm
The demographics may be changing, but I don't cede the conservative ground.  Our ideas are better for everybody, and that's been proven every time it's been tried.

That's right... Color means nothing.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 26, 2020, 11:06:17 pm
That's right... Color means nothing.

Exactly.  I won't cede the "black vote" to the Rats, in spite of what Shortbus Joe said.  If it's a good idea for me, it's good for all Americans.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 26, 2020, 11:14:37 pm
aligncare wrote:
"We’re losing due to “the casual corruption of the ruling class.” (Hat tip to Chris Plante)"

We're losing because of demographics.
Change them, and perhaps there's a chance to preserve what's left for a little while longer.
Fail to change them, and...

@Fishrrman

There it is. That is WHY the DNC is trying to import the whole damn 3rd world and buy their votes with taxpayer money.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on May 26, 2020, 11:17:07 pm
Exactly.  I won't cede the "black vote" to the Rats, in spite of what Shortbus Joe said.  If it's a good idea for me, it's good for all Americans.

Folks think poorly of blacks based upon the muslim and/or inner city variety. They forget the work-a-day Blue collar, Jesus lovin blacks that ARE the majority... And the ones that matter. They may reflexively vote Dem (though Candace Owens and others are changing that).

Most of em, the lion's share, are not that far from their Southern Baptist roots.

Like I wrote to a new black friend of mine about the false redneck/black divide..

I mean, you say aight... I say aight...
You say y'all, and I say y'all
You like watermelon... well I like watermelon.
You like fried chicken... I like fried chicken..

What's the problem?

And it is true. I been around some. And while there's azzholes everywhere, where I have found structured hate over race was in the cities.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on May 27, 2020, 12:49:05 am
The sneaky tactic Scientologists are using to get unsuspecting people to read their religious pamphlets - as one 7-Eleven store falls victim to the stunt

     Church of Scientology pamphlets have been spotted at a 7-Eleven in Brisbane
     The 'How to keep yourself & others well' booklets pose as COVID-19 information
     Scientology leaflets have been left in stores across Australia amid the pandemic

By Isabelle Stackpool For Daily Mail Australia
Published: 02:39 EDT, 26 May 2020 | Updated: 02:39 EDT, 26 May 2020

Customers were left outraged after Scientology pamphlets disguised as free coronavirus heath booklets were offered at a 7-Eleven store. 

The Church of Scientology pamphlets titled 'How to keep yourself & others well' were pictured next to the counter of 7-Eleven George Street in Brisbane's city centre. 

An employee of the 7-Eleven store told Daily Mail Australia a group of men entered the shop on Monday night and offered the pamphlets as an information booklet about COVID-19. ...  Full story (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8356369/Outrage-7-Eleven-store-offers-free-Scientology-pamphlets.html?fbclid=IwAR1xgNc9ShjPZVFEM1whfTvLbMjonlolmOM1GuyAxi_8fWmfnBaY1lhQQfk)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 27, 2020, 01:27:02 am
They're rioting in Minneapolis... and more importantly not respecting social distancing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fT9JV1Gh58&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fT9JV1Gh58&feature=emb_title)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 27, 2020, 06:09:02 am
Exactly.  I won't cede the "black vote" to the Rats, in spite of what Shortbus Joe said.  If it's a good idea for me, it's good for all Americans.
Shortbus Joe is engaging in the ultimate racism.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on May 27, 2020, 01:43:18 pm
Shortbus Joe is engaging in the ultimate racism.

@Smokin Joe

He is not engaged in anything mental. He was nothing more than a male model wearing a suit to start with,and probably had a double-digit IQ at his peak.

He peaked a couple of decades ago,and since then it has been his wife and other handlers leading the human dummy around and operating his mouth. He now has the IQ of a old,worn-out tape recorder.

Even with all that being true,the DNC still NEEDS him because he IS the best they have to offer. The plan,which is obvious to everyone who bothers to look,is to get him elected,and pretty much instantly have him step down after being sworn in,so his VP can take over without having to face the voters.

The DNC is most likely looking for the least offensive VP candidate they can find to run with him that can pull in the votes they need,but I suspect he or she will step down immediately before the election and the TRUE presidential candidate will be appointed by the DNC.

That candidate will be Hillary Clinton,and will likely lead to the Second American Revolution.

If it doesn't,we should all be deeply ashamed of ourselves.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: LadyLiberty on June 01, 2020, 03:07:26 pm
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New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says

ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

“In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.

“The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.

...snip ...

Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

more:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus-idUSKBN2370OQ (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus-idUSKBN2370OQ)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on June 01, 2020, 05:03:12 pm
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The new coronavirus is losing its potency

Gee, who saw that coming? 

/sarc
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on June 01, 2020, 05:11:07 pm
Folks think poorly of blacks based upon the muslim and/or inner city variety. They forget the work-a-day Blue collar, Jesus lovin blacks that ARE the majority... And the ones that matter. They may reflexively vote Dem (though Candace Owens and others are changing that).

Most of em, the lion's share, are not that far from their Southern Baptist roots.

Like I wrote to a new black friend of mine about the false redneck/black divide..

I mean, you say aight... I say aight...
You say y'all, and I say y'all
You like watermelon... well I like watermelon.
You like fried chicken... I like fried chicken..

What's the problem?

And it is true. I been around some. And while there's azzholes everywhere, where I have found structured hate over race was in the cities.

One of my biggest heros?  (And I had the honor of shaking his hand during one of his marches)

H. K. Edgerton

(https://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/black-confederates2/images/Black%20Confederate%20Veteran%20Activist%20H%20K%20Edgerton.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on June 01, 2020, 05:16:23 pm
Folks think poorly of blacks based upon the muslim and/or inner city variety. They forget the work-a-day Blue collar, Jesus lovin blacks that ARE the majority... And the ones that matter. They may reflexively vote Dem (though Candace Owens and others are changing that).

Most of em, the lion's share, are not that far from their Southern Baptist roots.

Like I wrote to a new black friend of mine about the false redneck/black divide..

I mean, you say aight... I say aight...
You say y'all, and I say y'all
You like watermelon... well I like watermelon.
You like fried chicken... I like fried chicken..

What's the problem?

And it is true. I been around some. And while there's azzholes everywhere, where I have found structured hate over race was in the cities.

 goopo

During the sixties as a high school kid I locked arms with blacks and whites in marching for equality. In Vietnam I joined with a great black airman to spread the message of unity and friendship between black and white at Bien Hoa air base, same when I got stateside at Beale AFB.

Our message in the sixties was peace and love between brothers and sisters. It’s a damn shame things have come naught ever since then.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on June 01, 2020, 05:30:02 pm
Back when I was 19 and living in Lee County, Alabama, I worked at this restaurant as a cook.  One day, some co-workers and I were discussing Thanksgiving.  A co-worker who was white mentioned black-eyed peas and collards.  A black co-worker's eyes went wide open as he exclaimed "You eat black-eyed peas?"  He seriously had no idea that white people did that.

Years later in a different setting, a black co-worker was telling me how it was growing up on his father's farm in rural Tennessee.  He told me how he appreciates when people are open about what they believe.  Neighboring white farmers made no secret about how they felt about race.  But they would still conduct fair commerce with the black farmer, treating him as their equal.  Despite his race, they found common ground with him.

We need to look for common ground in each other instead of focusing on the differences.  Yes, I like collards, black-eyed peas, and corn bread.  And when I have you over at my house to eat, that is what you will be served because they taste great.

I can find common ground with any underdog of society.  It's really not that difficult.  In my current position, I overheard a drilling worker who was black make a comment about how he would be the one targeted for a beating when the police show up.  I replied, "You think you're the only one who has taken an ass-whooping from the police?"  Common ground.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 01, 2020, 06:44:27 pm
goopo

During the sixties as a high school kid I locked arms with blacks and whites in marching for equality. In Vietnam I joined with a great black airman to spread the message of unity and friendship between black and white at Bien Hoa air base, same when I got stateside at Beale AFB.

Our message in the sixties was peace and love between brothers and sisters. It’s a damn shame things have come naught ever since then.

@aligncare

No disrespect meant,but I will tell the bald truth about this. Nobody HAS to "love" anybody. All you have to do in order to live a peaceful life is to LEAVE EACH OTHER THE HELL ALONE if you don't like them.

"Live and let live" is such a simple concept,I honestly can't understand why so many people have so much trouble seeing it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 01, 2020, 06:59:41 pm
@aligncare

No disrespect meant,but I will tell the bald truth about this. Nobody HAS to "love" anybody. All you have to do in order to live a peaceful life is to LEAVE EACH OTHER THE HELL ALONE if you don't like them.

"Live and let live" is such a simple concept,I honestly can't understand why so many people have so much trouble seeing it.
It seems that people run into trouble on the last 3 words for some reason.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on June 01, 2020, 07:04:01 pm
@aligncare

No disrespect meant,but I will tell the bald truth about this. Nobody HAS to "love" anybody. All you have to do in order to live a peaceful life is to LEAVE EACH OTHER THE HELL ALONE if you don't like them.

"Live and let live" is such a simple concept,I honestly can't understand why so many people have so much trouble seeing it.

Hey, I was an idealistic 16 yo with an active SDS chapter in my high school. I understand now that when I was befriended by my art teacher and invited to Sunday brunches with other students to discuss actions we could take to protest against the Vietnam war, that he was a radical, perhaps communist, and that I was being used by him to protest the war. Didn’t work on me though. I volunteered for military service right out of HS. I loved my adopted country.

But, I still say I do love humanity—if not individual humans. When I run across any black who is American and loves his country, and doesn’t blame whites for any misfortunes he may have suffered in life, I get the warm fuzzies. I just do.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 01, 2020, 07:15:41 pm

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But, I still say I do love humanity—

@aligncare

Me,not so much. I do love SOME individuals,and everybody else can live or die according to their own schedule as far as I am concerned.

Live and let live.


Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 07:20:09 pm
One of my biggest heros?  (And I had the honor of shaking his hand during one of his marches)

H. K. Edgerton


Excellent man!  :beer:

One of the images of the flood down in Texas - After the redneck Navy had deployed...
A swamp boat/air boat with a confederate flag, large on it's side, with a Bubba reaching out a hand helping black folks aboard.... What a magnificent moment!

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 07:31:58 pm
goopo

During the sixties as a high school kid I locked arms with blacks and whites in marching for equality. In Vietnam I joined with a great black airman to spread the message of unity and friendship between black and white at Bien Hoa air base, same when I got stateside at Beale AFB.

Our message in the sixties was peace and love between brothers and sisters. It’s a damn shame things have come naught ever since then.

@aligncare

You bring forth another important observation:

I seem to see that a good portion of well adjusted Blacks seem to come from the Service, or are a generation removed from a Black who served.

Suburban blacks invariably are newly located to suburban life - say a father or grandfather hails typically from the rural South, with grand military service in the family, or are inner city blacks that have come by way of military service (or now a generation removed).

I was 4F and did not serve, but it seems to me the military is a massive equalizer in black\white relations, even perhaps extending to something approaching a non-racial worldview...

And that correlates to middle class successful black families nearly every time.

Just a thought... I can't point to anything to prove it. But it does seem to be so.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Idiot on June 01, 2020, 07:50:55 pm
@aligncare

You bring forth another important observation:

I seem to see that a good portion of well adjusted Blacks seem to come from the Service, or are a generation removed from a Black who served.

Suburban blacks invariably are newly located to suburban life - say a father or grandfather hails typically from the rural South, with grand military service in the family, or are inner city blacks that have come by way of military service (or now a generation removed).

I was 4F and did not serve, but it seems to me the military is a massive equalizer in black\white relations, even perhaps extending to something approaching a non-racial worldview...

And that correlates to middle class successful black families nearly every time.

Just a thought... I can't point to anything to prove it. But it does seem to be so.
I have a black friend who is originally from Compton, CA....roughest, toughest black community in the U.S.  He joined the military as well.  He's now one of the most conservative people I've ever met.  Great Christian guy.....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: aligncare on June 01, 2020, 08:07:50 pm
I have a black friend who is originally from Compton, CA....roughest, toughest black community in the U.S.  He joined the military as well.  He's now one of the most conservative people I've ever met.  Great Christian guy.....

 888high58888

That’s what I’m talking about! Good people, skin color aside.

But now the problem. The media has glorified thug culture in music videos, sports, movies for decades. TV and now the internet floods our home with thrash. And we wonder why society is so sick now.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 08:09:45 pm
Back when I was 19 and living in Lee County, Alabama, I worked at this restaurant as a cook.  One day, some co-workers and I were discussing Thanksgiving.  A co-worker who was white mentioned black-eyed peas and collards.  A black co-worker's eyes went wide open as he exclaimed "You eat black-eyed peas?"  He seriously had no idea that white people did that.

Years later in a different setting, a black co-worker was telling me how it was growing up on his father's farm in rural Tennessee.  He told me how he appreciates when people are open about what they believe.  Neighboring white farmers made no secret about how they felt about race.  But they would still conduct fair commerce with the black farmer, treating him as their equal.  Despite his race, they found common ground with him.

We need to look for common ground in each other instead of focusing on the differences.  Yes, I like collards, black-eyed peas, and corn bread.  And when I have you over at my house to eat, that is what you will be served because they taste great.


That's a thing too... There is something interesting in the existing division in rural life between black and white communities. There is some intertwining - It is entangled, but still a difference.

Blues begins deep in the South... Mussel Shoals... The Delta... Country music knows that place, but comes more from the hill country - Scots Irish, with a lot of Ireland still present in the fiddle and the dance... They grew up together, but somewhat separate... And stayed that way. Two different cultures that are very much alike. Memphis is not that far from Nashville.

I recognize that difference. There is a yootoob vid that kinda spells it out, about a white redneck's first visit to a black cookout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gmKxkRZzP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gmKxkRZzP4) . What is telling to me is that such a difference exists in something so common to the two (BBQ,cookouts), especially with so much of it being the very same.

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I can find common ground with any underdog of society.  It's really not that difficult.  In my current position, I overheard a drilling worker who was black make a comment about how he would be the one targeted for a beating when the police show up.  I replied, "You think you're the only one who has taken an ass-whooping from the police?"  Common ground.

Yep. That's there. My only real experience with blacks was in working alongside em. Not so much here - which is why it is a curiosity to me - but while I was in KC and points eastward drifting up toward Michigan... Ain't much for a cowboy to do over that way, so the work I started with was menial. Loading docks and digging. And I can hold my own with the best of em in that. I am a big boy, used to digging in rock, and earned my respect among em the hard way.

The same camaraderie existed there. Men straining against hard work, the color kinda rubs off. All the same, even after I got into better work in the trades, though Mexicans were more prevalent there... Still the same thing. Folks got to work together to move it forward.
 
And yeah - The ass-whoopin from the police. Not a whole lot different between black or white trash in that... With the exception at the time that weed was highly present with the blacks I was around, and not yet so in rednecks... So maybe a slight tilt in that - a cop was gonna find weed on a black guy, pretty sure.  But I think redneck cocaine has pretty well equalized that too by now.

Btw, Can't get at collards up in here... Make do with beet greens in season, and kale or chard the rest of the time... And black-eyed peas are only around in the can - not the same.  :shrug:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 08:13:53 pm
I have a black friend who is originally from Compton, CA....roughest, toughest black community in the U.S.  He joined the military as well.  He's now one of the most conservative people I've ever met.  Great Christian guy.....

That's right - And I don't think that's anecdotal... I think military life is a mover and shaker in that.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 08:20:35 pm
888high58888

That’s what I’m talking about! Good people, skin color aside.

But now the problem. The media has glorified thug culture in music videos, sports, movies for decades. TV and now the internet floods our home with thrash. And we wonder why society is so sick now.

I see some hope in that... Because that same internet is causing folks to see the lie... Candace Owens, Josh Pray, and etc... There is a whole lot going on to heal old wounds... and a good bit of that is carried by middle class suburban blacks that can lay witness against it.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 01, 2020, 09:16:33 pm
888high58888

That’s what I’m talking about! Good people, skin color aside.

But now the problem. The media has glorified thug culture in music videos, sports, movies for decades. TV and now the internet floods our home with thrash. And we wonder why society is so sick now.

@aligncare

One of my best friends when I worked with the post office was man so black he almost shined. I was also friends with all the other blacks I worked with at that station,but I worked with him the most.

His wife stopped by one day to visit,and he called me over to introduce me to her. He had already told her about me,so she pretty much knew what to expect.

She must have liked me too,because a few days later he came up to me and it was obvious he was VERY embarrassed and didn't want to say what he felt like he had to say. He told me his wife really liked me too,and they would LIKE to invite me to dinner at their house and introduce me to their children,but they lived in a black neighborhood,and he was afraid his wife and children would be attacked if they were seen socializing with a white man.

That little speech was one of the bravest political statements I have ever heard. I could tell it cost him dearly to say it,but he felt obligated due to our friendship.

Racists REALLY piss me off,and I don't care what color they are.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 09:20:05 pm
Racists REALLY piss me off,and I don't care what color they are.

That's right.  :beer:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 01, 2020, 09:26:48 pm

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The same camaraderie existed there. Men straining against hard work, the color kinda rubs off. All the same, even after I got into better work in the trades, though Mexicans were more prevalent there... Still the same thing. Folks got to work together to move it forward.
 

@roamer_1

I have been around a LOT of Mexicans,and even lived in a Mexican neighborhood in Denver for a couple of years,and have never even suspected the tiniest hint of racism towards me from Mexicans. I know it is the tag line to a old racist joke,but some of my best friends have been Mexicans. Truth to tell,I have had less trouble with Mexicans than I have white people.

I AM 1/4 Tuscarora Indian and have black eyes and black hair,though. Maybe that had something to do with it,although other than the black eyes,I look pretty much like a normal white guy.

Don't really know why and can't explain it,but that has always been my experience. Never really had any trouble with blacks either,as long as there weren't more than 3 or 4 of them and I was the only white. I never experienced that with any other group of people.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 09:45:28 pm

@roamer_1

I have been around a LOT of Mexicans,and even lived in a Mexican neighborhood in Denver for a couple of years,and have never even suspected the tiniest hint of racism towards me from Mexicans. I know it is the tag line to a old racist joke,but some of my best friends have been Mexicans. Truth to tell,I have had less trouble with Mexicans than I have white people.

I AM 1/4 Tuscarora Indian and have black eyes and black hair,though. Maybe that had something to do with it,although other than the black eyes,I look pretty much like a normal white guy.

@sneakypete

I am not terribly well versed with either blacks or mexicans... A short stint out of the Rockies, about a year or so... Other than the Mex pickers that come through... But I DO know injuns. The Salish/Kootanai are here, mostly, with some Cheyenne and Blackfeet.

If I have seen much racism at all it was toward them - But even in that, there was always a distinction made between rez injuns and otherwise - A distinction even the Natives will admit, so really not a racist thing...

That's why it is a curiosity to me. I remember the hatred growing up in Chicago. Maybe magnified by my youthful naivete... Perhaps it seemed more bitter to me than it was. Caught a little of it in the southern Midwest and the South - But really not worth the mention comparatively.

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Don't really know why and can't explain it,but that has always been my experience. Never really had any trouble with blacks either,as long as there weren't more than 3 or 4 of them and I was the only white. I never experienced that with any other group of people.

I have. I asked a black friend to get me to a real BBQ joint while in KC, since I was new in town... And where he brought me was real for sure... And I was the only white guy in the neighborhood. I felt it, I did. But not all that much... Likely because my black friend brought me there. I don't think I could have been there on my own. But that's alright. I get that. Hell, it's much the same with hillbillies, no matter your color. If they don't know you, they don't like you.

Had a fine time there btw... Once the beers got flowin and everybody loosened up.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 01, 2020, 11:25:49 pm
@aligncare

One of my best friends when I worked with the post office was man so black he almost shined. I was also friends with all the other blacks I worked with at that station,but I worked with him the most.

His wife stopped by one day to visit,and he called me over to introduce me to her. He had already told her about me,so she pretty much knew what to expect.

She must have liked me too,because a few days later he came up to me and it was obvious he was VERY embarrassed and didn't want to say what he felt like he had to say. He told me his wife really liked me too,and they would LIKE to invite me to dinner at their house and introduce me to their children,but they lived in a black neighborhood,and he was afraid his wife and children would be attacked if they were seen socializing with a white man.

That little speech was one of the bravest political statements I have ever heard. I could tell it cost him dearly to say it,but he felt obligated due to our friendship.

Racists REALLY piss me off,and I don't care what color they are.
During the race riots in my first High School, a lifelong (black) friend told me on day one "When I'm with them, I don't know you and you don't know me and that's the way it has to be." Yep, he was right. The other blacks there would have chewed him up and spat him out, and some of the whites would have done the same with me. It was polarized enough that neither side would tolerate getting along.
I'm with you, I am disgusted by racists, too.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on June 02, 2020, 11:58:09 am
WHO doesn't like hearing that the virus is dying out in Italy.
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Is The Coronavirus Really Losing Potency In Italy? What You Need To Know
Bruce Y. Lee
June 1, 2020

There is a claim from a doctor in Italy that the Covid-19 coronavirus may be losing potency in Italy. But as most horror movies have probably taught you, don’t make any assumptions that a threat has subsided until you are really, positively, absolutely sure that it has.

This Reuters video covers this claim by Dr. Alberto Zangrillo, who is head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan, Italy  ... [video at link]

As a Reuters report indicated, Zangrillo said that "in reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," and that "the swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago." ...

The responses from the WHO’s experts to Zangrillo’s comments were akin to saying “what?” Just listen to what Mike Ryan, MD, MPH, Executive Director of the World Health Organization's (WHO’s) Health Emergencies Programme said in a press conference today: [video where he says the virus is NOT less potent] ...

Could moving closer to the Summer potentially lead to decreased virus activity? Sure, if transmission of the Covid-19 coronavirus shows the same type of seasonal fluctuation as the flu virus does. ...
Full story and videos at Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/06/01/is-the-coronavirus-really-losing-potency-in-italy-what-you-need-to-know/#50818ca52489), which also doesn't seem to like hearing the virus may be losing potency.

Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on June 02, 2020, 11:59:19 am
Here's the Reuters story on Dr. Zangrillo:
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... “In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.

“The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.   ...
Full story (https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUKKBN2370OP)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on June 02, 2020, 12:52:16 pm
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'Very encouraging': Spain reports no coronavirus deaths in 24-hour period
Associated Press
June 1, 2020

MADRID – Spain on Monday reported no official deaths from the new coronavirus in a 24-hour period for the first time since March.

The development is “very, very encouraging,” emergency health response chief Fernando Simón said.

Also, Spain recorded only 71 new COVID-19 infections over the past 24 hours, he told a news conference.

“We are in a very good place in the evolution of the pandemic,” Simón said. “The statistics are following a trend. They are going in the right direction.” ...
More via USAToday (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/06/01/spain-no-covid-19-deaths-71-cases-24-hour-period/5309202002/?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=itkpwa)

No word on whether WHO is saddened.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on June 02, 2020, 12:53:48 pm
More via USAToday (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/06/01/spain-no-covid-19-deaths-71-cases-24-hour-period/5309202002/?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=itkpwa)

No word on whether WHO is saddened.

Or whether WHO is saddened in a spike of cases of Antifa/BLM members.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on June 22, 2020, 12:49:44 pm
 Coronavirus is weakening, could disappear on its own: Italian doctor
By Jackie Salo
June 21, 2020 | 1:54pm
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An Italian infectious disease doctor believes the coronavirus has become less dangerous — and could disappear on its own without a vaccine.

Dr. Matteo Bassetti, the head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital, said the virus appears to have become less potent, possibly due to genetic mutations, the Sunday Telegraph reported.

“The clinical impression I have is that the virus is changing in severity,” Bassetti told the outlet. ...

He said one of the reasons for the virus becoming weaker could be that it has mutated in response to social distancing measures.

“I think the virus has mutated because our immune system reacts to the virus and we have a lower viral load now due to the lockdown, mask-wearing, social distancing,” he said. “We still have to demonstrate why it’s different now.” ...
Full story (https://nypost.com/2020/06/21/coronavirus-is-weakening-could-disappear-on-its-own-italian-doctor/)
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2020, 12:53:35 pm
Gee,ya think?

You mean it's going to do what every other virus since the dawn of time has done,and just die out on it's own?

Hooda thunk it?
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on June 22, 2020, 12:55:22 pm
Gee,ya think?
You mean it's going to do what every other virus since the dawn of time has done,and just die out on it's own?
Hooda thunk it?
Especially in the heat of summer. Amazing.  :whistle:
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: libertybele on June 22, 2020, 01:52:10 pm
Especially in the heat of summer. Amazing.  :whistle:

This virus is said to be weakening, yet we continue to see over 3,000 new cases a day in FL.  We are experiencing typical summer weather patterns the temperature and humidity are rising.  So --- summer heat and humidity doesn't seem to be having an affect on this virus.  It's just before 10:00 a.m. here and the temp is already 86 with 71% humidity. 
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on June 22, 2020, 02:00:42 pm
Everything in life is based on risk managment.

We take the facts at hand, and make conscious proper deicisons accordingly.

The way I see it. 

(1) Protect those who are at risk in nursing homes and like facilites
(2) Other elderly people and / or those with pre-exisiting conditons should take the proper precautions to keep themselves from being infected,
(3) Everyone else not in No. 1 and 2, should have their lives return to normal as they see fit, though doing their best to not infect No.'s (1) and (2).  Furthermore, those in No. 3 should do their best to isolate themselves if they get infected. 

Pretty much stinking common sense, as I see it
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2020, 02:24:55 pm
This virus is said to be weakening, yet we continue to see over 3,000 new cases a day in FL. 

@libertybele

I would accept that as gospel if there weren't so many political creatures making so much money and grabbing so much power from it.

After all,what independent source checks the numbers?

Do YOU know anybody that died from it? Or even know anybody that was hospitalized in serious condition because of it?

I sure don't.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Hoodat on June 22, 2020, 02:45:20 pm
Coronavirus is weakening, could disappear on its own: Italian doctor
By Jackie Salo
June 21, 2020 | 1:54pmFull story (https://nypost.com/2020/06/21/coronavirus-is-weakening-could-disappear-on-its-own-italian-doctor/)

Gee, if only someone has predicted this five months ago.

/sarc
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2020, 03:02:49 pm
Gee, if only someone has predicted this five months ago.

/sarc

@Hoodat

Somebody should start a thread about that. May I suggest "How would the Dims have kept Biden off the Campaign Trail without "The Virus". Yeah,it would have to be greatly shortened,but you get the idea.

I am betting there would be some funny stuff posted on THAT one.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: mountaineer on June 22, 2020, 03:58:04 pm
@libertybele I would accept that as gospel if there weren't so many political creatures making so much money and grabbing so much power from it.

After all,what independent source checks the numbers?
That's just it. I don't believe anything from WHO or CDC at this point. They're pulling numbers out their joint and several buttocks, for all I know.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: catfish1957 on June 22, 2020, 03:59:28 pm
That's just it. I don't believe anything from WHO or CDC at this point. They're pulling numbers out their joint and several buttocks, for all I know.

Very true.  The guidance from these two pseudo-agencies has had the accuracy of chimp throwing darts at a dart board.
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 22, 2020, 06:58:19 pm
@Hoodat

Somebody should start a thread about that. May I suggest "How would the Dims have kept Biden off the Campaign Trail without "The Virus". Yeah,it would have to be greatly shortened,but you get the idea.

I am betting there would be some funny stuff posted on THAT one.

A good article is bound to pop up.....
Title: Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
Post by: sneakypete on June 22, 2020, 07:06:53 pm
A good article is bound to pop up.....

@Cyber Liberty

Please ping me to it when you see it. I like to laugh,too.