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Title: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 07:31:31 pm
Per ABC Radio breaking news.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 02, 2015, 07:35:52 pm
NewsBreaker ‏@NewsBreaker 3m3 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Reports of a mass shooting, possibly as many as 20, in San Bernardino, CA, 60 miles east of Los Angeles - @Reuters
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Crap. Again?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:39:39 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPpkrLWoAIsudr.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:41:21 pm
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/02/authorities-responding-to-reports-of-mass-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california-nbc-los-angeles.html

Quote
Authorities responded to reports of a mass shooting in San Bernardino, California on Wednesday.

Reports first surfaced around 2:15 p.m. ET of an incident in the area. The official San Bernardino Country Sheriff's Department Twitter account confirmed an active shooter in the area.

    Tweet.

    Tweet.

Despite reports of a Planned Parenthood in the area, a representative for the organization told CNBC that the shooting was not at their facility. Last Friday, a gunman stormed a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, killing three people.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 07:41:55 pm
 
How convenient for Bammy's gun-control agenda that these things keep 'happening all by themselves'...

And all the little people said, "Oh my, we must have gun control..."   

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:41:55 pm
Fox....1 to 3 suspects
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:43:10 pm

SB County Sheriff Verified account ‏@sbcountysheriff

.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed an active shooter in the area of Orange Show Rd/ Waterman Ave near Park center. #SBCSD assisting.


San Bernardino Fire ‏@SBCityFire

SBFD units responding to reports of 20 victim shooting incident in 1300 block of S. Waterman. SBPD is working to clear the scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:43:23 pm

I heard up to 20 victims...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:44:08 pm
Breaking News Feed ‏@pzf 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: AT LEAST 12 DEAD IN CALIFORNIA ACTIVE SHOOTER.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:45:08 pm
Update: 2:42 PM EST

San Bernardino Fire and Police Departments units are responding to reports of a mass shooting. There are reports of 20 victim shooting in the incident that is still ongoing in 1300 block of S. Waterman.

Fox News reports that a SWAT team is currently engaged with an active shooter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:46:50 pm
Breaking911 ‏@Breaking911 4m4 minutes ago

San Bernardino:
-1-3 Active Shooters
-20+ Victims
-Gunman at Large
-Black GMC SUV Suspect Vehicle
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:47:57 pm
Breaking News ‏@NewsOnTheMin 5m5 minutes ago

UPDATE: Police looking for 3 white males dressed in military gear.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:48:12 pm
Breaking News Feed ‏@pzf 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: AT LEAST 12 DEAD IN CALIFORNIA ACTIVE SHOOTER.
OMG..... 8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: massadvj on December 02, 2015, 07:49:31 pm
Crap.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 02, 2015, 07:50:32 pm
Gretchen Carlson ‏@GretchenCarlson 5m5 minutes ago

Police now confirm 12 p dead in mass shooting in San Bernadino Ca - our local fox station says 1-3 suspects in military style garb @FoxNews
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:51:01 pm
Gretchen Carlson ‏@GretchenCarlson 30s30 seconds ago

Cops in Ca able to respond quickly because they were doing a training exercise nearby -
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:51:43 pm
San Bernardino, Calif., reported shooting, Dec. 2, 2015
1m
Editor's note: The building where the shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., was reported provides services for developmentally disabled people, according to its website. - Stephanie
End of note


These pyles of sh6t. A real soft target.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 07:52:06 pm

Police are looking for three men...then, there's a potential of terrorism here, not a lone psychologically disturbed individual.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 07:52:19 pm
Developing Up to 20 shot in San Bernardino, 'active shooters' sought


Up to 20 people were shot Wednesday at a social services office in San Bernardino, and officials said they were looking for one or more "active shooters."

The San Bernardino Fire Department said the shooting took place on the 1300 block of Waterman Avenue, near Orange Show Road.

Sgt. Vicki Cervantes, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino Police Department, told reporters at the scene up to three shooters were reported inside the Inland Regional Center. Officers have not secured the building and going door-to-door.

The suspects, she said, are heavily armed and were possibly wearing body armor.

“It’s a very active scene,” Cervantes said. “It’s very fluid.”

Photographs on social media showed heavily-armed police surrounding a neighborhood in San Bernardino.
See the most-read stories this hour >>

Officials sais they got a call about the shooting at about 11 a.m.

The Inland Regional Center provides services to disabled people and others in need.

The organization's website states: "Inland Regional Center was built on the foundation of three core values – independence, inclusion, and empowerment. In following these core values, we hope to help provide each individual with a service system that helps identify and eliminate barriers for individuals with developmental disabilities and their families so they can closely live a typical lifestyle."
L.A. Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html)


Video link: http://ktla.com/on-air/live-streaming/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:56:06 pm
Breaking News Feed ‏@pzf 1m1 minute ago

3 Shooters Armed with RIFLES are Still on the Loose after Rampage Leaves 12 Confirmed Dead
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Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 07:56:18 pm
Radio traffic just said a witness watched it unfold and there are 3 shooters with rifles
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:56:55 pm
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/218/?rl=rr  scanner feed.

Per PD, there is a suspicious item found on the second floor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 07:57:08 pm
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:57:23 pm
https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web scanner feed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 07:57:48 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPtPIqWcAAUB85.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 07:58:25 pm
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?
;)!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 02, 2015, 08:00:01 pm
Why would anyone shoot up this place?

http://www.dds.ca.gov/RC/RCSvs.cfm

Services Provided By Regional Centers

Regional centers provide diagnosis and assessment of eligibility and help plan, access, coordinate and monitor the services and supports that are needed because of a developmental disability. There is no charge for the diagnosis and eligibility assessment.

Once eligibility is determined, a case manager or service coordinator is assigned to help develop a plan for services, tell you where services are available, and help you get the services. Most services and supports are free regardless of age or income.

There is a requirement for parents to share the cost of 24-hour out-of-home placements for children under age 18. This share depends on the parents' ability to pay. For further information, see Parental Fee Program. There may also be a co-payment requirement for other selected services. For further information, see Family Cost Participation Program.

Some of the services and supports provided by the regional centers include:

    Information and referral
    Assessment and diagnosis
    Counseling
    Lifelong individualized planning and service coordination
    Purchase of necessary services included in the individual program plan
    Resource development
    Outreach
    Assistance in finding and using community and other resources
    Advocacy for the protection of legal, civil and service rights
    Early intervention services for at risk infants and their families
    Genetic counseling
    Family support
    Planning, placement, and monitoring for 24-hour out-of-home care
    Training and educational opportunities for individuals and families
    Community education about developmental disabilities

For additional information about these services and supports, see:


Information about Programs and Services

The Department of Developmental Services is responsible for designing and coordinating a wide array of services for California residents with developmental disabilities. Regional centers help plan, access, coordinate and monitor these services and supports.

A Person-Centered Planning approach is used in making decisions regarding where a person with developmental disabilities will live and the kinds of services and supports that may be needed. In person-centered planning, everyone who uses regional center services has a planning team that includes the person utilizing the services, family members, regional center staff and anyone else who is asked to be there by the individual. The team joins together to make sure that the services that people are getting are supporting their choices in where they want to live, how and with whom they choose to spend the day, and hopes and dreams for the future.

The following is a partial list of living arrangements and supportive services available for persons with developmental disabilities:
Living Arrangements for Persons with Developmental Disabilities

    Affordable Housing
    Community Care Facilities (CCFs)
    Family Home Agency
    Foster Family Agency
    Intermediate Care Facilities (ICFs)
    Supported Living Services

Support Services

    In-Home Supportive Services
    Respite (In-Home) Services
    Transportation Services

    Day Program Services
    Dental Services Utilizing Denti-Cal
    Education Services
    Foster Grandparent and Senior Companion Programs
    Independent Living Program
    Self-Determination Program

    Work Services Program (formerly Habilitation)
    Supported Employment Services
    Work Activity Program Services

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:01:13 pm
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?
I've already seen some nincompoop on Twitter blame the NRA.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:01:13 pm
I bet the White House is ecstatic right now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:02:07 pm
I bet the White House is ecstatic right now.

without a doubt
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:02:53 pm
Separating witnesses into two groups.

One group that are witnesses, one group that did not see anything.

Additional police on the way to assist/buses dispatched to handle these two groups.

Putting everyone on one bus to staging area—separate them there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 08:03:38 pm
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific.    If you don't carry, why?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:04:36 pm
Our first isis attack?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:06:49 pm
CBS Evening News ‏@CBSEveningNews 2m2 minutes ago

Bomb squad on scene of San Bernardino shooting, trying to immobilize what's believed to be explosive device

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPvbtgXIAEjanz.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:07:42 pm
As the family member of a developmentally disabled person, I shudder at the thought that any such helpless individual was a sitting duck for terrorists with rifles. Of course, we don't yet know who the victims are, so I don't mean to speculate.

 NCD is right, in these crazy times those of us who can carry a weapon must carry.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 08:07:52 pm
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific.    If you don't carry, why?

...I live in New York City. Getting a carry permit is nearly impossible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:08:15 pm
confirmed...3 shooters and still at large
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 08:10:05 pm
confirmed...3 shooters and still at large

It must be terrorism, then.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:10:34 pm
Heard earlier on the scanner. Three heavily armed individuals with vests and masks in a GMC SUV with stock wheels. All had AR-15s

------------------------------------

11 minutes ago
Not a good sign: a supervisor at the shooting scene is requesting homicide detectives.
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Jason Sickles, Reporter

12 minutes ago
From police radio: Bomb technicians say the suspicious device is “out of the norm.” Officers evacuating the building now. Will use a robot to remove the possible explosive.
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Jason Sickles, Reporter

16 minutes ago
Witnesses now telling police at the scene that there were three gunmen. “They said without a doubt there were three with long rifles,” officer says over police radio.
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Jason Sickles, Reporter

18 minutes ago
Officers are being ordered to evacuate one of two buildings at the scene because of a suspicious device.
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Jason Sickles, Reporter

20 minutes ago
According to police radio traffic, witnesses tell officers that the gunmen were wearing ski-like masks and vests.
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Jason Sickles, Reporter

SB County Sheriff
@sbcountysheriff
.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed 1to3 possible suspects.Multiple victims. #SBCSD &other agencies assisting. More info to come. #SanBernardino
2:39 PM - 02 Dec 2015

SB County Sheriff
@sbcountysheriff
.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed an active shooter in the area of Orange Show Rd/ Waterman Ave near Park center. #SBCSD assisting.
2:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

San Bernardino Fire
@SBCityFire
SBFD units responding to reports of 20 victim shooting incident in 1300 block of S. Waterman. SBPD is working to clear the scene.
2:14 PM - 02 Dec 2015
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:11:32 pm
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —

The latest on reports of an active shooter at a social services facility in San Bernardino, California (all times local):

11:58 a.m.

A gas station manager near the site of a shooting in Southern California says there is a flood of police activity in the area.

Ana Fuentes, manager of a Shell station about a block from the scene, estimates that there are about 150 police officers flooding the area.

She said she hasn't gotten any instructions to stay inside but that customers coming in told her about the shootings at Inland Regional Center. The center says on its website that it provides social services to people with developmental disabilities.

Dozens of people filed out of the scene, holding their hands in their air. Other people were seen being wheeled away on gurneys.
____________________________

An apt tweet: 

R D ‏@RD_MOLONLABE 5m5 minutes ago
Liberals hoping San Bernadino shooting took place within 10 miles of a #PlannedParenthood so they can call it right wing religious extremism
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Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 08:12:14 pm
Not wanting to jump to conclusions, but it sounded like one of the Officers just mentioned the name of a suspect. Sayood(sp)?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:12:44 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)




President has been briefed....the countdown begins as to when he holds a presser
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 02, 2015, 08:13:02 pm
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific.    If you don't carry, why?

Went shopping with my wife and kids on Thursday night after Thanksgiving. Saw dozens of people carrying openly in the stores. Never felt so safe in my life.

Americans will fight back even if our Government will not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:14:33 pm
Why would anyone shoot up this place?

http://www.dds.ca.gov/RC/RCSvs.cfm

Services Provided By Regional Centers

Regional centers provide diagnosis and assessment of eligibility and help plan, access, coordinate and monitor the services and supports that are needed because of a developmental disability. There is no charge for the diagnosis and eligibility assessment.

Once eligibility is determined, a case manager or service coordinator is assigned to help develop a plan for services, tell you where services are available, and help you get the services. Most services and supports are free regardless of age or income.

There is a requirement for parents to share the cost of 24-hour out-of-home placements for children under age 18. This share depends on the parents' ability to pay. For further information, see Parental Fee Program. There may also be a co-payment requirement for other selected services. For further information, see Family Cost Participation Program.

Some of the services and supports provided by the regional centers include:

    Information and referral
    Assessment and diagnosis
    Counseling
    Lifelong individualized planning and service coordination
    Purchase of necessary services included in the individual program plan
    Resource development
    Outreach
    Assistance in finding and using community and other resources
    Advocacy for the protection of legal, civil and service rights
    Early intervention services for at risk infants and their families
    Genetic counseling
    Family support
    Planning, placement, and monitoring for 24-hour out-of-home care
    Training and educational opportunities for individuals and families
    Community education about developmental disabilities

For additional information about these services and supports, see:


Information about Programs and Services

The Department of Developmental Services is responsible for designing and coordinating a wide array of services for California residents with developmental disabilities. Regional centers help plan, access, coordinate and monitor these services and supports.

A Person-Centered Planning approach is used in making decisions regarding where a person with developmental disabilities will live and the kinds of services and supports that may be needed. In person-centered planning, everyone who uses regional center services has a planning team that includes the person utilizing the services, family members, regional center staff and anyone else who is asked to be there by the individual. The team joins together to make sure that the services that people are getting are supporting their choices in where they want to live, how and with whom they choose to spend the day, and hopes and dreams for the future.

The following is a partial list of living arrangements and supportive services available for persons with developmental disabilities:
Living Arrangements for Persons with Developmental Disabilities

    Affordable Housing
    Community Care Facilities (CCFs)
    Family Home Agency
    Foster Family Agency
    Intermediate Care Facilities (ICFs)
    Supported Living Services

Support Services

    In-Home Supportive Services
    Respite (In-Home) Services
    Transportation Services

    Day Program Services
    Dental Services Utilizing Denti-Cal
    Education Services
    Foster Grandparent and Senior Companion Programs
    Independent Living Program
    Self-Determination Program

    Work Services Program (formerly Habilitation)
    Supported Employment Services
    Work Activity Program Services
Soft target and a gov building.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:16:40 pm
FOX 11 Los Angeles ‏@myfoxla 37s37 seconds ago

JUST IN: Sources say 1 suspect dressed in tactical gear walked into conference room, started shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:17:40 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)




President has been briefed....the countdown begins as to when he holds a presser
We all better buy as much ammo as we can and buy more guns before he does his EO.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:18:58 pm
Greta Van Susteren
‏@greta
WH says Pres Obama briefed on situation in California #shooting


AmericaTheBeautiful ‏@AmericanLizzy 4m4 minutes ago
@greta Now someone is writing him a speech so he can go out and blab about gun control.  He is so predictable.

Jackson Cymerman ‏@jacksoncymerman 3m3 minutes ago
@greta he will no doubtly try to push for more gun control. Oh wait, California already had strict gun control 👎

Lionel Powell ‏@Ltrain57 3m3 minutes ago
@greta Get ready for another "I am truly sickened, is it time for new gun laws" speech.

Mika Roberts ‏@MikaRoberts7 4m4 minutes ago
@greta he will politicize it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:19:37 pm
It must be terrorism, then.

This is definitely terrorism.

Robot going to detonate suspicious device.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:20:55 pm
from scanner feed. Looking for a person with Saeed name.

3 minutes ago
According to police radio, it sounds like authorities may know the name of one of the gunmen. Officers are digging for information on him now.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:21:38 pm
Need barricades at Waterman and Park Center
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:22:05 pm
Stephen Miller ‏@redsteeze 37m37 minutes ago

MSNBC mentions Planned Parenthood in San Bernadino...Over a mile away and issued a statement they're not involved. Amazing irresponsibillity
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Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 08:22:45 pm
This is definitely terrorism.

Robot going to detonate suspicious device.

If it is, will we be told the truth?
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:23:00 pm
Stephen Miller ‏@redsteeze 37m37 minutes ago

MSNBC mentions Planned Parenthood in San Bernadino...Over a mile away and issued a statement they're not involved. Amazing irresponsibillity

MSNBC is the spawn of the ENEMY.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:23:07 pm
Greta Van Susteren ‏@greta 1m1 minute ago

LA Times says a Christmas Party underway in one of the offices of shoot out
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Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 08:23:22 pm
If it is, will we be told the truth?

Not a chance.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 08:23:45 pm
I will guar-damn-tee you that none of the perps have blue eyes.    And they all have black hair.  And beards.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 08:24:12 pm
More radio police chatter saying "info on one of Your suspects"   so it does sound like more than one.   "They also said female of unknown race" not sure if they were still talking about the suspects.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:24:41 pm
3 minutes ago
Officers at the scene referring to suspicious device as an “IED” ... improvised explosive device. First responders are being told to keep their distance from the south building.
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 08:24:59 pm
Gretchen Carlson ‏@GretchenCarlson 30s30 seconds ago

Cops in Ca able to respond quickly because they were doing a training exercise nearby -

Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?

Perhaps we should eliminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...


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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:25:44 pm
a minute ago
Fifteen people who were hiding in an interior office are now being escorted out by police.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 02, 2015, 08:26:30 pm
Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?

Perhaps we should eliminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...

Dan!  I wouldn't if I were you..... :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:27:38 pm
DanRiehl ‏@DanRiehl 54s55 seconds ago

LA Times saying SUV containing 3 ppl fled scene
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:27:51 pm
4 man DOD team in South Bldg.
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Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:30:03 pm
It seems they know the identity of one of the men and may have been looking for him since last week.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:31:09 pm
San Bernadino law enforcement authorities report a mass shooting involving at least 20 victims just before 11 a.m. Pacific time. Local news reports suggest that there are between one and three suspects, wearing masks and possibly body armor as well.

    SBFD units responding to reports of 20 victim shooting incident in 1300 block of S. Waterman. SBPD is working to clear the scene.

    — San Bernardino Fire (@SBCityFire) December 2, 2015

Some media reports have indicated that the shooting is near a local Planned Parenthood clinic. However, the clinic is over a mile away from the site of the shooting, according to Google Maps. There are reports of hostages as police try to evacuate the scene.

    Triage center setup in middle of intersection re: active shooter, San Bernadino, CA (Image WKABC) pic.twitter.com/55i4245men — Declan Flynn (@jdeclanflynn) December 2, 2015

It is unclear how many of the 20 victims are dead, though Fox News is reporting as many as 12 victims.

    .@SanBernardinoPD and other Law Enforcement agencies are evacuating people from the Inland Regional Center pic.twitter.com/kPU2dbWqV3

    — Doug Saunders (@crimeshutterbug) December 2, 2015

The shootings apparently occurred at the Inland Regional Center for developmentally disabled adults. The Los Angeles Times reports:

    Inland Regional Center was built on the foundation of three core values – independence, inclusion, and empowerment. In following these core values, we hope to help provide each individual with a service system that helps identify and eliminate barriers for individuals with developmental disabilities and their families so they can closely live a typical lifestyle.

12:03 p.m.: Fox News reports that local law enforcement authorities have dismissed any connection with the Planned Parenthood. All three suspects are believe to be armed with rifles and are all at large. Police are using a robot to detonate what they suspect may be an explosive device that was apparently left at the center. The local police scanner is referring to an improvised explosive device (IED). Authorities are also looking for an SUV that left the scene. The Daily Mail reports that MedEvac helicopters have appeared on the scene to evacuate victims to hospitals.

    BREAKING: Agents from ATF’s Los Angeles Field Division are responding to the scene of the San Bernadino shooting.

    — ATF HQ (@ATFHQ) December 2, 2015

It is unclear whether a gunman is still on the scene.

12:30 p.m.: The Inland Regional Center has not reported on the shooting on Facebook or Twitter. Its Facebook page features scenes from a Christmas party:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:31:10 pm
Quote
Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch 2m2 minutes ago
I see the mentions and DMs about suspect name but would like to see confirmation first.

So I guess this "Saeed" business is being heard by a lot of people.

Quote
Ben Shapiro ‏@benshapiro 5m5 minutes ago
The answer to the San Bernardino shooting is clearly whatever the left wanted to push as policy before the San Bernardino shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:32:16 pm
Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?

Perhaps we should el22iminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...

Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:33:10 pm
Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch 2m2 minutes ago
I see the mentions and DMs about suspect name but would like to see confirmation first.
__________________

So I guess this "Saeed" business is being heard by a lot of people.
yes found more than 3 different FReepers who heard it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 08:34:03 pm
Just heard on scanner    "EOD has cleared the building, robot inside addressing IED"     
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:34:27 pm
Four technicians with the police explosive ordnance disposal team are now in the south building trying to address a suspicious device.
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3 minutes ago
According to radio traffic, law enforcement may have sought information on one of the gunmen last week. Officers at the scene have been sharing a possible suspect name.
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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:34:39 pm
cant think of a name ‏@chriswhitt83 1m1 minute ago

Over police scanner, one individual detained in San Bernadino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:35:02 pm
Just heard on scanner    "EOD has cleared the building, robot inside addressing IED"   
Who is EOD?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:35:28 pm
I can't believe (well yes I can) the media is already speculating a Planned Parenthood connection even though the closest is a mile away and they have no clue yet who did it. Multiple shooters on a very soft target sounds more like a Paris style incident. Maybe they'll say Muslims don't like abortion.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:36:33 pm
Who is EOD?

Explosive ordnance disposal ie bomb squad.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 08:36:39 pm
Who is EOD?

Explosive ordinance disposal... they are the guys that take care of bombs and stuff
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:38:03 pm
few seconds ago

What we know so far:

Police responded to reports of an active shooter at a social services center in San Bernardino, Calif., Wednesday afternoon.
There were initial reports of at least 20 victims, officials said.
Eyewitnesses said they saw as many as three gunmen, according to the San Bernardino Police Department.
Witnesses also said the suspects left the scene in a black SUV.
FBI and ATF agents are working to clear the building.
Bomb technicians were called to inspect a suspicious device.

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 02, 2015, 08:38:14 pm
Homegrown Terrorist?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:41:44 pm
Thanks for the EOD definition.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 08:44:12 pm
Has anyone asked how this relates to climate change?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:47:49 pm
witness gave suspect info...
—suspect is county worker
-—left early
-—30 minutes later - shooter....matched height, description, etc.
-scanner-
----------------------------------------

Asking where name and DOB came from;

Witness: Salazar

Was a county worker acting weird

Guy left

Witness gave name

Witness on south end of golf course with others
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:48:06 pm
Los Angeles Times ‏@latimes 2m2 minutes ago

At least three suspected #SanBernardino shooters vanished from the building after the gunfire, sources says
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:48:52 pm
One more RP reporting male(s)s removing black clothing at an overpass

2 males removing black clothing on the hunts lane bridge overpass
scanner-—
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:49:34 pm

Markos Moulitsas Verified account
‏@markos

Yo GOP, kinda hard to talk about "keeping people safe" when your peeps are shooting up America.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 08:50:55 pm
Markos Moulitsas Verified account
‏@markos

Yo GOP, kinda hard to talk about "keeping people safe" when your peeps are shooting up America.
Yeah, he's getting pounded for that little bit of idiocy.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:51:41 pm
“Possible shots heard in the background, Patton Hospital”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:52:15 pm
“Code 4 at Patton” (probably clear ....)

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 08:52:29 pm
Dan!  I wouldn't if I were you..... :whistle:

Oh yeah... these things just happen... and just happen to support Bammy's gun-control agenda...

Just happens...    :shrug:


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 08:54:10 pm
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Possible shooting at nearby Patton Hospital. #SanBernardino
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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:54:31 pm
“Do you want us at the command post or (mobile) in case these guys hit again?”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:55:31 pm
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
3:38 PM - 02 Dec 2015
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:58:00 pm
SUV spotted at (Address) East Highland”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 08:59:42 pm
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Possible shooting at nearby Patton Hospital. #SanBernardino
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may be a shooter at hospital, reading a post that people are hiding in a closet at hosp
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:00:33 pm
a minute ago
Officers now responding to *possible* shots fired at Patton State Hospital, a psychiatric hospital eight miles from the San Bernardino shooting.
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edited by Dylan Stableford
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:00:54 pm
Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.

Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/10/nobody-died-at-sandy-hook-it-was-fema.html)

It was a FEMA drill to Promote Gun Control



Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 09:02:43 pm
So Hillary thinks this is "gun violence."

And ISIS is the JV...

Well, they got our society to buy man-made global warming so...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 09:03:17 pm
Greta Van Susteren ‏@greta 3m3 minutes ago
but the cameras may have caught the license tag #

Greta Van Susteren added,
@greta heard they had masks


Dread Pirate Cates ‏@drawandstrike 3m3 minutes ago
I keep hearing mentions of hostages being held vs. claims the shooters have 'fled in a black SUV'.
Total chaos right now. Trust nothing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:04:00 pm
Confirmed south bldg clear; asking for status on clearing of north building
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:05:01 pm
Watching stream from local Fox11. They can't confirm it was 3 people. Police saying just one now. One witness said 3 fled but not sure if fog of war situation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:07:02 pm
Still clearing north building

-----------------

Community North Hospital in Indianapolis. Active hostage situation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:07:38 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVP8Ab7UkAATdHr.jpg)
Photo: Tents set up outside of Loma Linda University Medical Center; emergency personnel standing by for San Berna…
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:08:39 pm
Breaking News ‏@NewsOnTheMin 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: A man named Farooq Saeed is a possible suspect (Police Scanner) #SanBernardino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:09:17 pm
linda alexander @noopdoggy 43s43 seconds ago

@TwitchyTeam POSSIBLE SUSPECT: Farook Syed, acting nervous, left building, 20 minutes later shooting, matches description.From SBPD
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:11:33 pm
“Ran that Tahoe comes back ‘confidential’”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 09:11:34 pm
Farook Syed

...watch out, now the Left is really pissed

That's your JV, Obama.  Better check his carbon footprint.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 09:12:03 pm


-----------------

Community North Hospital in Indianapolis. Active hostage situation.

Where did you see this???  **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:12:09 pm
Conn Carroll ‏@conncarroll 2m2 minutes ago

Fox now reporting that conference room was rented out to a different group for a Christmas party.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:13:05 pm
Policeman says he has a witness with really good information—where to bring....directly to command post where detectives are
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:13:41 pm
Thanks for the updates all.

Just curious - did Hillary have any lament about "gun violence" when that clown in New Orleans shot up the local park last week and is now facing 17 counts of attempted murder?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 09:14:30 pm
Thanks for the updates all.

Just curious - did Hillary have any lament about "gun violence" when that clown in New Orleans shot up the local park last week and is now facing 17 counts of attempted murder?
Ssh, you're not supposed to mention that incident.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:15:03 pm
Conn Carroll ‏@conncarroll 2m2 minutes ago

Fox now reporting that conference room was rented out to a different group for a Christmas party.

No info on the identity of that group?  It might shed light on a motive.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:15:10 pm
4 man DOD team headed into the South Bldg

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what is DOD team, anyone?

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Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 27s28 seconds ago

A few reports of shots fired at other locations. Callers may just be nervous/hyper-aware. Now there's one from a nearby Target. Unconfirmed.
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Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 7m7 minutes ago

Per @FOXNews, shooting started in a conference room, rented by an outside group at the Inland Building. Possibly during a Christmas party.
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Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:16:52 pm
Watching stream from local Fox11. They can't confirm it was 3 people. Police saying just one now. One witness said 3 fled but not sure if fog of war situation.

What happened to the 2 guys seen removing black clothing at an overpass?  Maybe it was foggy there too.

You guys will believe anything if it comes on 'the news'...

.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 09:17:31 pm
No info on the identity of that group?  It might shed light on a motive.
I was going to say maybe a Jewish group would stir the alleged Farook Sayed's ire, but of course they wouldn't be holding a Christmas party.   :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2015, 09:18:51 pm
You guys will believe anything if it comes on 'the news'...
Speak for yourself. It's been noted repeatedly here that reports are conflicting and unsubstantiated at this point.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:20:03 pm
NBC Nightly News ‏@NBCNightlyNews 2m2 minutes ago

JUST IN: Loma Linda Medical Center: 4 patients from Calif. mass shooting have been received; 3 more expected.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:20:42 pm
I was going to say maybe a Jewish group would stir the alleged Farook Sayed's ire, but of course they wouldn't be holding a Christmas party.   :pondering:

Hannukah starts Sunday and goes through next week so this seems a little early for a Holiday party as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:20:53 pm
Fog of war doesn't mean foggy, it means that a lot of reports come in and It is hard to weed the real reports from the mundane. A guy carrying a camera tripod could be mistaken for a gun. I'm just posting what they are saying. Now the police are saying multiple shooters
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:21:37 pm
Where did you see this???  **nononono*
I forget now been following many links. If I find it I will post it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:21:40 pm
Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama tells @NorahODonnell there too many shooting incidents that are combinations of guns and mental issues.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:23:02 pm
Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama tells @NorahODonnell there too many shooting incidents that are combinations of guns and mental issues.

So if it is determined it Is a jihadi, is O admitting that is a mental issue?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:24:27 pm
“evacuating mall right now”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 09:25:56 pm
I forget now been following many links. If I find it I will post it.

Was on lock down, no active shooter.  Whew!  :thud:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/community-north-hospital-on-lockdown-no-active-shooter
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:26:22 pm
Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:26:35 pm
Oh good grief, hospital director implying it is due to lack of funding for the center.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:26:42 pm
black Yukon found abandoned
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:27:17 pm
All county buildings on lockdown.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:28:34 pm
Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
That is a law the dems knew about in 2011 and did nothing to change it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:29:03 pm
Jim Hoft ‏@gatewaypundit 1m1 minute ago

BREAKING: INCIDENT AT WATERMAN MALL in California – Armed Suspect in Camo https://shar.es/1cKzsm  via @gatewaypundit
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:29:41 pm
Police official officially confirming 3 shooters in military style clothing and masks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 09:30:10 pm
Oh good grief, hospital director implying it is due to lack of funding for the center.

Isn't that the liberal's ultimate catch-all?   It's not as if these county bureaucrats would invest in armed security with additional funding.  Liberal county pols are defunding their LEO institutions across the country.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:30:11 pm
CBS47 ‏@CBS47 4m4 minutes ago

SWAT operation right now in Pasadena may be related to San Bernardino mass shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:31:50 pm
 Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 50s50 seconds ago

Pres Obama says we have a pattern of mass shootings in the US that have no parallel anywhere else in the world.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQC-MPVAAAODql.png)

Boy he sure looks stoned in that pic.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Police setting up at Waterman Discount Mall

Possible armed suspect—go to channel 2
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:33:24 pm
Fog of war doesn't mean foggy, it means that a lot of reports come in and It is hard to weed the real reports from the mundane. A guy carrying a camera tripod could be mistaken for a gun. I'm just posting what they are saying. Now the police are saying multiple shooters

 :silly:

Don worry... the media and the government will tell you what truth to believe...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:34:52 pm
:silly:

Don worry... the media and the government will tell you what truth to believe...

Just .0001% more accurate than Alex Jones type blogs.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:35:46 pm
Scanner feed description of men middle eastern
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:36:07 pm
Speak for yourself. It's been noted repeatedly here that reports are conflicting and unsubstantiated at this point.

John Does #2, 3 & 4 have been disappearing at least since OKC in 1995...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:36:34 pm
Scanner feed description of men middle eastern

Reminds me of OKC 1995 there too...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:37:39 pm
Just .0001% more accurate than Alex Jones type blogs.

Of course they are... they tell you that they are...

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:38:31 pm
‘Middle eastern male, long beard, camo-type shorts.’
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 02, 2015, 09:40:57 pm
Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m1 minute ago

Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.

Yeah, lets bring in 10,000 more from Syria!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 09:43:09 pm
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
3:38 PM - 02 Dec 2015

 The contrast could not be any clearer
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:43:58 pm
Description Middle Eastern looking men, bearded, military or cameo clothing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:44:27 pm
Yeah, lets bring in 10,000 more from Syria!
that is why he is bringing them in.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:44:49 pm
12 confirmed dead. Explosive devices located
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 09:45:20 pm
Greta Van Susteren ‏@greta 3m3 minutes ago
but the cameras may have caught the license tag #

Greta Van Susteren added,
@greta heard they had masks


Dread Pirate Cates ‏@drawandstrike 3m3 minutes ago
I keep hearing mentions of hostages being held vs. claims the shooters have 'fled in a black SUV'.
Total chaos right now. Trust nothing.

I trust flower's reporting
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 02, 2015, 09:49:12 pm
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite

 :silly:

IOW... elect Her Heinous or this kind of stuff will continue... and that's a promise...

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:50:08 pm

WCBM 680
‏@WCBM680

There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:50:22 pm
“verify whether probation had been evaced from that location near the south building.” “we have no knowledge of any evac from the southern building” “evac probation from southern building” “confirmed they have self-evaced”.

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 02, 2015, 09:57:03 pm
Police source says Christmas party in the rented conference room by an outside group may have been the target, and not the center itself.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 09:57:24 pm
Thanks for all the updates Myst & Flowers!  :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:57:39 pm
Police presser.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 02, 2015, 09:57:42 pm
Police source says Christmas party in the rented conference room by an outside group may have been the target, and not the center itself.

Workplace violence
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 09:58:39 pm
14 dead, 14 plus injured.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 09:59:08 pm
Geraldo Rivera ‏@GeraldoRivera 6s6 seconds ago

14 Dead!! Terror in America. This is our future if we don't act. Determine motive. Why attack innocents? Who are the perps?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 09:59:31 pm
“NAzAR HAJI”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 10:00:03 pm

BREAKING:

UP TO 3 SUSPECTS

UP TO 14 DEAD

UP TO 14 INJURED

NO IDEA WHERE SHOOTERS ARE
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:00:20 pm
Geraldo Rivera ‏@GeraldoRivera 6s6 seconds ago

14 Dead!! Terror in America. This is our future if we don't act. Determine motive. Why attack innocents? Who are the perps?

He sure has changed his tune since his daughter was close to the Paris attacks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: raml on December 02, 2015, 10:01:30 pm
I use to work at Aetna on Waterman in San Bernardino before it moved to Loma Linda across the freeway. The social services bldgs were just down the street. This is a high traffic area both day and night there should be many witnesses. There are many restaurants on Waterman and quite a few businesses. This is right next to the 10 freeway too so they can escape easily and the 91 isn't to far away either.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Millee on December 02, 2015, 10:01:59 pm
This is our future if we don't stop the Syrian invasion.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:02:12 pm
I use to work at Aetna on Waterman in San Bernardino before it moved to Loma Linda across the freeway. The social services bldgs were just down the street. This is a high traffic area both day and night there should be many witnesses. There are many restaurants on Waterman and quite a few businesses. This is right next to the 10 freeway too so they can escape easily and the 91 isn't to far away either.

Probably a lot of security cameras.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 10:04:14 pm
Geraldo Rivera ‏@GeraldoRivera 4s4 seconds ago

"find locate and apprehend the suspects" then tear out their eyeballs and take their long guns and shove them up their asses
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 10:04:44 pm
Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes 50s51 seconds ago Manhattan, NY

What we know so far makes it impossible to make any kind of sense of this at all: Multiple gunmen shoot up a gathering of county employees?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:04:57 pm
This is our future if we don't stop the Syrian invasion.
to late. They are here. obama needs them so he can take out our guns. then us
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:05:22 pm
He sure has changed his tune since his daughter was close to the Paris attacks.
He sure has.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:06:29 pm
Geraldo Rivera ‏@GeraldoRivera 4s4 seconds ago

"find locate and apprehend the suspects" then tear out their eyeballs and take their long guns and shove them up their asses
long guns................well he hasn't change that much it looks like. GUNS AREN'T THE PROBLEM
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 02, 2015, 10:07:33 pm
California has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, especially for long guns.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:09:41 pm
CNN comes out and blames the militia

--------------------------

Someone is being held at gunpoint at a golf course. Multiple weapons in the car.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:10:39 pm
 “Pursuit of vehicle on NB I-15. Black SUV, 3 males, high rate of speed.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:13:18 pm
#SanBernadinoShooting Vehicle located on Golf Course loaded with weapons. Also SWAT making request for floor-plans of another building
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 10:14:05 pm
“Pursuit of vehicle on NB I-15. Black SUV, 3 males, high rate of speed.”

Fox reported earlier that they found the black Yukon abandoned
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:15:09 pm
“They came prepared; They were on a mission” — POLICE

------------------------

“Wildwood park, black SUV tinted windows towards the back”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:15:55 pm
Fox reported earlier that they found the black Yukon abandoned
Yep that is what I thought too. Yet this is on the scanner feed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:15:55 pm
Fox 11 expert said it sounded like some sort of a professional hit if it wasn't terrorism due to hitting specific room then left quickly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:16:43 pm
 Sunshinefox7 ‏@stevenala 50m50 minutes ago Westfield, MA

If shooters are: White - "we need more gun control" Black - "they were good boys" Muslim - "not all Muslims are terrorists" #SanBernadino
468 retweets 577 likes
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:21:46 pm
On the radio they just called the license plate:

SKIPPER

(Sam King Ida Paul Paul Edward Robert)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:25:14 pm
Still clearing the North bldg. at the site.
----------------------

“Printing out blueprints” reported on police scanner.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 02, 2015, 10:25:38 pm
On the radio they just called the license plate:

SKIPPER

(Sam King Ida Paul Paul Edward Robert)

Anyone here have Web Access to CA plate records.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:31:33 pm
2:30 p.m.: Police told reporters at the news conference that they can neither confirm nor deny the shooting is a terrorist attack.

2:10 p.m.: Various reports on the police scanner suggest possible sightings of the weapons used in the shooting, and possibly a suspect as well: “Vehicle on golf course with multiple weapons inside. One at gunpoint.” Police report that long guns, not handguns, were used.

    #BreakingNews Gunmen used rifles according to authorities. victims were centrally located inside building possibly gathered for a luncheon.

    — Randy Mac (@RandyNBCLA) December 2, 2015

2:00 p.m.: San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan told a news conference that there are at least 14 dead and 14 injured. 1:55 p.m.: Not to be outdone, Vox.com’s Matthew Yglesias joined in the mockery of people praying for the victims:

    Other countries must have fewer mass shootings because their conservative politicians offer thoughts and prayers more vigorously.

    — Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 2, 2015

1:50 p.m.: With bodies still warm, victims being rushed to hospital, and gunmen on the loose, President Barack Obama has renewed his calls for gun control.

    Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.

    — Mark Knoller (@markknoller) December 2, 2015

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein and Arthur Delaney are mocking people tweeting prayers for the victims and those in the line of fire:

    Public officials are the people society trusts to solve society’s ills. Like, say, gun violence. But every time multiple people have been gunned down in a mass shooting, all these officials can seemingly do is rush to offer their useless thoughts and prayers. And so they did after news broke about multiple casualties in San Bernardino, California, on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the emergency continues. The Los Angeles Times reports:

    The Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, which is reportedly treating some victims of the shooting, will be on lockdown for at least the next six hours, security guards said. Nobody is being allowed in the main entrance. The Norton Space and Aeronautics Academy, which accepts students in kindergarten through eighth grade, is a block north of the Inland Regional Center, where the shooting took place.

1:30 p.m.: Multiple news agencies now report police activity in Pasadena, about an hour’s drive west of San Bernardino, north-northeast of downtown Los Angeles. News sources indicate that there is SWAT activity and that it is “related.”

    #Pasadena SWAT scene that @NBCLA says is RELATED to #SanBernardino shooting is about an hour away pic.twitter.com/H487F0dYuG

    — Mike Valerio (@MikeNBC12) December 2, 2015

1:20 p.m.: Unconfirmed police scanner reports indicate: “Man in military fatigues currently at Roberts Elementary school.” The scanner also reports a “Middle Eastern male” with “long beard, tactical shorts and a backpack.” Again, the reports are unconfirmed. Reuters is reporting three confirmed fatalities. Multiple agencies report witnesses being evacuated for police interviews, presumably to find clues that could lead to the gunmen’s identification and/or capture. 1:10 p.m.: Fox News reports that the gunmen attacked a Christmas party being held in a rented conference room at the center, and were wearing “military-style” clothing. None of the suspected gunmen are in custody and all are presumed armed and dangerous. Speaking with local ABC News reporters, police have confirmed “fatalities” and “some type of function” at the center. 1:00 p.m.: The area near the Inland Regional Center remains locked down, including civic buildings. There are numerous unconfirmed report of a suspect’s name, which Breitbart News is unable to confirm and therefore cannot report at this time. 12:40 p.m.: Though the active shooter situation is still ongoing, Democrats are not losing the opportunity to weigh in on gun control, the National Rifle Association, and other pet causes.

    I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H https://t.co/SkKglwQycb — Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) December 2, 2015

    Horrifying news out of #SanBernardino. Enough is enough: it’s time to stand up to the @NRA and enact meaningful gun safety laws — Martin O’Malley (@MartinOMalley) December 2, 2015

 

    I’m monitoring the shooting in San Bernardino closely. Absolutely heartbreaking that we’re faced with another mass shooting. —
    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
    0%
    (@SenFeinstein) December 2, 2015

    My heart breaks yet again w/ shooting #SanBernardino. When will these stop? We can’t lose another life due to #GunViolence —
    Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
    19%
    (@cbrangel) December 2, 2015

The police scanner is reporting a search for a Black GMC Yukon and a shooter with a black mask. 12:30 p.m.: The Inland Regional Center has not reported on the shooting on Facebook or Twitter. Its Facebook page features scenes from a Christmas party:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:37:43 pm
(Checking videos of local businesses)

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:40:24 pm

San Bernardino, Calif., police say they will provide hourly updates on the shooting
End of alert
San Bernardino, Calif., shooting, Dec. 2, 2015
30m
San Bernardino, Calif., police say they do not know if suspect or suspects were on scene when officers arrived
End of alert
San Bernardino, Calif., shooting, Dec. 2, 2015
32m
Police: All of the information on San Bernardino shooting 'is preliminary and may change throughout the course of the investigation. We are all on heighten alert' - @sbcountysheriff
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 02, 2015, 10:40:34 pm
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/textide/FarS_zps7evgihdi.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:47:47 pm
“People in a vehicle who are hiding out in the East Parking Lot by you.”

“Will sweep in”

“New info in from an evacuee”

“We may have already got them.”

“Will walk through real quick”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:48:17 pm
“All cars have been checked by CHP and bomb dogs and are negative for people”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:48:49 pm
scanner
-30th & E Waterman - south of 30th
then another
-ditched 22 long rifle
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:50:40 pm
Farooq Saeed has been identified as the possible San Bernardino shooting suspect, who reports indicate walked into a medical facility for people with developmental disabilities and opened fire.

The shooting took place at close to 11 a.m. in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue in the California city, taking place at a building identified as the Inland Regional Center. The facility is a state-run medical center that serves people with developmental disabilities, said Nancy Lungren, spokeswoman for the California Department of Developmental Services.

Unconfirmed reports identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed, a name repeated on police scanners and reported from some American news outlets.

There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED. pic.twitter.com/vnI8Isqgts

— WCBM 680 (@WCBM680) December 2, 2015

International news outlets also identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed.

#SanBernardino : Le nom d’un suspect serait apparemment Farooq Saeed https://t.co/kEImDgf1bA pic.twitter.com/r09Aq2wkvy

— RT France (@RTenfrancais) December 2, 2015

Reports indicated that the suspect may have been an employee of the medical facility, and is believed to have fled the scene in an SUV.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2605302/farooq-saeed-possible-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-identified-by-news-outlets-police-manhunt-continues/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:54:35 pm
Cnn reported this even all started with a fire alarm being pulled.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 10:55:07 pm
Farooq Saeed has been identified as the possible San Bernardino shooting suspect, who reports indicate walked into a medical facility for people with developmental disabilities and opened fire.

The shooting took place at close to 11 a.m. in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue in the California city, taking place at a building identified as the Inland Regional Center. The facility is a state-run medical center that serves people with developmental disabilities, said Nancy Lungren, spokeswoman for the California Department of Developmental Services.

Unconfirmed reports identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed, a name repeated on police scanners and reported from some American news outlets.

There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED. pic.twitter.com/vnI8Isqgts

— WCBM 680 (@WCBM680) December 2, 2015

International news outlets also identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed.

#SanBernardino : Le nom d’un suspect serait apparemment Farooq Saeed https://t.co/kEImDgf1bA pic.twitter.com/r09Aq2wkvy

— RT France (@RTenfrancais) December 2, 2015

Reports indicated that the suspect may have been an employee of the medical facility, and is believed to have fled the scene in an SUV.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2605302/farooq-saeed-possible-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-identified-by-news-outlets-police-manhunt-continues/

I thought it was multiple gunmen?   Does anyone on the ground have the first clue as to what happened?   There were dozens and dozens of witnesses.  They can't determine if there were more than one assailant?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: evadR on December 02, 2015, 10:57:14 pm
And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.

My God, what does it take !!!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:58:15 pm
“17 minutes ago armed individual sand colored cammo, seen 5 ago East Colston will be checking” long gun
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:58:59 pm
“2 at gunpoint”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 10:59:39 pm
“3rd male just stepped out”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:00:17 pm
“off duty or unmarked unit champagne colored SUV White Male heavy set”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:01:47 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:02:33 pm
“SUV Utah Plate, STevens Center left state street trying to catch up.”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

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“40 team over in this area immediately. Black suburban Utah plates University and REdlands”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 02, 2015, 11:05:03 pm
2:30 p.m.: Police told reporters at the news conference that they can neither confirm nor deny the shooting is a terrorist attack.

2:10 p.m.: Various reports on the police scanner suggest possible sightings of the weapons used in the shooting, and possibly a suspect as well: “Vehicle on golf course with multiple weapons inside. One at gunpoint.” Police report that long guns, not handguns, were used.

    #BreakingNews Gunmen used rifles according to authorities. victims were centrally located inside building possibly gathered for a luncheon.

    — Randy Mac (@RandyNBCLA) December 2, 2015

2:00 p.m.: San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan told a news conference that there are at least 14 dead and 14 injured. 1:55 p.m.: Not to be outdone, Vox.com’s Matthew Yglesias joined in the mockery of people praying for the victims:

    Other countries must have fewer mass shootings because their conservative politicians offer thoughts and prayers more vigorously.

    — Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 2, 2015

1:50 p.m.: With bodies still warm, victims being rushed to hospital, and gunmen on the loose, President Barack Obama has renewed his calls for gun control.

    Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.

    — Mark Knoller (@markknoller) December 2, 2015

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein and Arthur Delaney are mocking people tweeting prayers for the victims and those in the line of fire:

    Public officials are the people society trusts to solve society’s ills. Like, say, gun violence. But every time multiple people have been gunned down in a mass shooting, all these officials can seemingly do is rush to offer their useless thoughts and prayers. And so they did after news broke about multiple casualties in San Bernardino, California, on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the emergency continues. The Los Angeles Times reports:

    The Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, which is reportedly treating some victims of the shooting, will be on lockdown for at least the next six hours, security guards said. Nobody is being allowed in the main entrance. The Norton Space and Aeronautics Academy, which accepts students in kindergarten through eighth grade, is a block north of the Inland Regional Center, where the shooting took place.

1:30 p.m.: Multiple news agencies now report police activity in Pasadena, about an hour’s drive west of San Bernardino, north-northeast of downtown Los Angeles. News sources indicate that there is SWAT activity and that it is “related.”

    #Pasadena SWAT scene that @NBCLA says is RELATED to #SanBernardino shooting is about an hour away pic.twitter.com/H487F0dYuG

    — Mike Valerio (@MikeNBC12) December 2, 2015

1:20 p.m.: Unconfirmed police scanner reports indicate: “Man in military fatigues currently at Roberts Elementary school.” The scanner also reports a “Middle Eastern male” with “long beard, tactical shorts and a backpack.” Again, the reports are unconfirmed. Reuters is reporting three confirmed fatalities. Multiple agencies report witnesses being evacuated for police interviews, presumably to find clues that could lead to the gunmen’s identification and/or capture. 1:10 p.m.: Fox News reports that the gunmen attacked a Christmas party being held in a rented conference room at the center, and were wearing “military-style” clothing. None of the suspected gunmen are in custody and all are presumed armed and dangerous. Speaking with local ABC News reporters, police have confirmed “fatalities” and “some type of function” at the center. 1:00 p.m.: The area near the Inland Regional Center remains locked down, including civic buildings. There are numerous unconfirmed report of a suspect’s name, which Breitbart News is unable to confirm and therefore cannot report at this time. 12:40 p.m.: Though the active shooter situation is still ongoing, Democrats are not losing the opportunity to weigh in on gun control, the National Rifle Association, and other pet causes.

    I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H https://t.co/SkKglwQycb — Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) December 2, 2015

    Horrifying news out of #SanBernardino. Enough is enough: it’s time to stand up to the @NRA and enact meaningful gun safety laws — Martin O’Malley (@MartinOMalley) December 2, 2015

 

    I’m monitoring the shooting in San Bernardino closely. Absolutely heartbreaking that we’re faced with another mass shooting. —
    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
    0%
    (@SenFeinstein) December 2, 2015

    My heart breaks yet again w/ shooting #SanBernardino. When will these stop? We can’t lose another life due to #GunViolence —
    Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
    19%
    (@cbrangel) December 2, 2015

The police scanner is reporting a search for a Black GMC Yukon and a shooter with a black mask. 12:30 p.m.: The Inland Regional Center has not reported on the shooting on Facebook or Twitter. Its Facebook page features scenes from a Christmas party:

It's the height of irresponsibility and fecklessness for these vile lefty politicians and pundits to exploit this tragedy before any details are known about the number of victims, the identity of the motives of the assailant(s) etc.    What if it turns out to be a Muslim engaged in violent jihad?   These comments will go right down the media memory hole.

I wish Matthew Yglesias was in the room with me right now.  This generation of snide, sneering millennial lefties are even more insufferable than their predecessors.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:06:03 pm
“Confirm: Tennessee and State”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

(Sounds like hot pursuit, but still calm voices, lots of vehicles vectoring in ...)



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“Bomb threats at both” both = hospitals, I think....

--------------------------------------------------

“Failure to yield” sirens wailing eastbound

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:06:36 pm
And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.

My God, what does it take !!!

Every single person in the US knows that this is terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 02, 2015, 11:08:21 pm
Every single person in the US knows that this is terrorism.

Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:09:08 pm
“Water district, high rate of speed through the water district parking lot, animal control....”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

They’re going after some vehicle now!

San Bernardino Police System 10 - Live Audio Feed
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:10:31 pm
Going into Target Parking lot out EB Orange Show Road High rate of speed
-----------------

Chase underway

“Back on surface streets” Northbound E Edward from Chandler

Fence attached to the front of vehicle
Going into target parking lot

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:11:34 pm
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

In pursuit of a vehicle. High rate of speed. Unknown if related. Dark Chevy. #SanBernadino
4 retweets 2 likes
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:11:48 pm
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Barack and Hillary live in a world of delusion and deceit that they have created.   Hopefully they have fewer and fewer followers as more and more of these incidents occur.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 11:11:54 pm
They're chasing an SUV traveling at a high rate of speed right now. Four Officers are chasing one on foot through a Parking Lot. One in. custody. Shots being fired from the rear window of the SUV
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:12:31 pm
Guy on foot running!

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:12:47 pm
They're chasing an SUV traveling at a high rate of speed right now. Four Officers are chasing one on foot through a Parking Lot. One in. custody. Shots being fired from the rear window of the SUV

Police and SWAT teams in pursuit.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:14:18 pm
Aerials on Fox showing dark SUV and lots of people running
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:14:56 pm
For your sake and the police, stay off the roads. Active pursuit. Shots being fired. Bearcat requested. Medical requested. #SanBernadino
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“Mlae dark shirt blue jeans running eastbound through parking lot”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:16:09 pm
They're going toward a house in the neighborhood.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 11:16:15 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQazJ2WEAAmDdp.png

Wayne Dupree™ ‏@WayneDupreeShow 2m2 minutes ago

*** Breaking #SanBernadino VIDEO Coverage *** Multiple Shots fired! Need medical aid! NEED Bearcat!!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:17:02 pm
Gun riddled SUV
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 02, 2015, 11:21:02 pm
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Yep. Three long guns walked in and started firing. I hope they find and arrest those guns. Damn inanimate objects!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:32:19 pm
M4 Rifle on the helicopter.

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

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“Here we need a SWAT team.”

We are SBerdoo and Sheddin”

one guy down in the back of the car

hold your fire...

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 02, 2015, 11:34:13 pm
The gunman shot in the backseat of the SUV has an AR strapped to his chest. Theres a pipe bomb at one of the locations, via scanner. SWAT is on scene with that perimeter locked down, with another team in route to another location. The golf course is back in play. Lets see how it develops.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:34:49 pm
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

"There's one dude down in the back, still breathing, AR strapped to his chest" #SanBernadino

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Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 3m3 minutes ago

"There's one dude down in the back, still breathing, AR strapped to his chest" #SanBernadino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:35:35 pm
“BEARCAT to come Eastbound

Suspect vehicle stopped. Wait for the bearcat.

1 down outside car, 1 down inside car don’t know, one on the run

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

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“Did you see anybody running?”

“We need medical aid”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:36:31 pm
Two dead in the SUV, one on the street??  Police officer not badly hurt, hit by ricochet bullet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:37:13 pm
“You’re not going to get the bearcat down W Sanbernardino

“Where is the officer down, we have a rescue helicopter

“looks like a ricochet, don’t need extract

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQfSJpWsAAXIrR.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:37:59 pm
SUV pursuit may not be connected to shooting this morning?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:39:39 pm
SUV pursuit may not be connected to shooting this morning?

One report said the one on foot was taking off his camo as he ran.   If that's true, these are probably the guys.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2015, 11:41:12 pm
These guys had hours to escape and be long gone..why still in the neighborhood..just doesn't make sense
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:42:22 pm
“Redlands PD is saying they saw him”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
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“Nobody was seen running southbound from the vehicle”

“We’re going to check on the bodies in the car”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

Moving in to check on bodies in car—co-ordinating with Bearcat—waiting for it to arrive
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:42:41 pm
These guys had hours to escape and be long gone..why still in the neighborhood..just doesn't make sense

One commentator said they may have intended to go farther, but just hid out until the scene was cleared.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:45:05 pm
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 1m1 minute ago

Pipebomb found near the area of detained suspect. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this might be terrorism. #SanBernardino
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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:46:02 pm
NBC reporting one in custody

per cnn they are going into a house.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 02, 2015, 11:47:10 pm
One commentator said they may have intended to go farther, but just hid out until the scene was cleared.

Hide in plain sight effort.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:48:31 pm
“Anyone with a description of the outstanding subject please advise”

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
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(looking up plates on a vehicle with an “Arabic” woman)

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:50:11 pm
3:43 p.m.: Police scanner reports a suspect “north of Gould, south of Richardson, to the rear of a church.” The suspect appears to be the one in an orange shirt and camouflage pants. Officers are requesting reinforcements.

3:40 p.m.: Police are sending a bomb disposal unit to the location of a suspected pipe bomb at 1731 San Bernardino Ave. They are also searching for a man in orange shirt and camouflage pants moving southbound.

3:35 p.m.: Police appear to be in a standoff with some of the surviving suspects. They may be looking for others. They are clearing an area of San Bernadino Avenue. There is chatter on the police scanner about a “pipe bomb.”

3:23 p.m.: Police report one suspect in custody and one fleeing on foot. They have established a perimeter around a residential neighborhood in San Bernadino.

3:15 p.m.: Police scanners report an officer down and a pursuit in the area of 2nd Street and Bryant Street in San Bernadino, which are parallel east-west streets about 2.5 miles due north of the site of the shooting.

3:12 p.m. Police scanners are reporting that officers have exchanged fire with the occupant(s) of a black SUV. One reports “suspect down in the westbound lane” of the 10 freeway. Helicopter shots from KABC show police vehicles surrounding someone on the ground, and a car crashed nearby. Earlier scanner reports indicated a chase at 110 mph, but it was not clear if it was related.

3:05 p.m.: The Los Angeles Times has posted amateur video of the shooting by a nurse at the center who watched police storm the building and thought at the time that they were carrying out a drill, not an actual response to an active shooter situation.

3:00 p.m.: There are conflicting reports from police. Publicly, police seem to be saying that they do not know who the suspects are, or where they are. On the police scanner, however, there is talk of “two at gunpoint” and pursuit of a male in camouflage.

The Chicago Tribune reports that 10 of the wounded are in critical condition, three in serious condition.

    Update: 10 of the wounded in San Bernardino shooting in critical condition, 3 serious https://t.co/4wSNDTF19p

    — Chicago Tribune (@chicagotribune) December 2, 2015

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 02, 2015, 11:51:58 pm
I hope they have ugly virgins...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:52:19 pm
Body just pulled from back seat of suv
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:54:32 pm
NBC BREAKING

Per Mark Levin

1 perp in custody being questioned. 1 or 2 other perps dead or injured.

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NBC

Helo reporter

1 may have escaped into neighborhood.

1 not moving, holding weapon, inside vehicle.

1 dead on roadway.

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Perp who fled may be in an apartment complex that police have on lockdown.

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NBC BREAKING

1 perp may have escaped into the neighborhood. Active search going on. [Look for boats and check thoroughly under canvas coverings.]

1 perp not moving, holding weapon, in vehicle.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:55:07 pm
NBC BREAKING

Per Mark Levin

1 perp in custody being questioned. 1 or 2 other perps dead or injured.

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NBC

Helo reporter

1 may have escaped into neighborhood.

1 not moving, holding weapon, inside vehicle.

1 dead on roadway.

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Perp who fled may be in an apartment complex that police have on lockdown.

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NBC BREAKING

1 perp may have escaped into the neighborhood. Active search going on. [Look for boats and check thoroughly under canvas coverings.]

1 perp not moving, holding weapon, in vehicle.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:55:40 pm
Surrounding build where suspect is on 2nd level.

Wells Fargo 1003 East Briar
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2015, 11:55:57 pm

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

I've been following your posts (and others) all afternoon from the office.

Thank you for doing such a terrific job!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:56:07 pm
Man barricaded in house nearby.  3rd suspect
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:56:56 pm
Fox News just reported that the LA Times just reported that one of the shooters had been in a meeting with the victims. Got in a heated argument, left, came back with the other two.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:57:20 pm
I've been following your posts (and others) all afternoon from the office.

Thank you for doing such a terrific job!

I'll second that!

Thanks flowers!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:57:51 pm
Suspect—Hispanic male,shaved head, orange shirt, camo pants, possible cut on hand

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Scanner: Arabic female suspect church.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 02, 2015, 11:59:10 pm
Area residents ordered to shelter in place.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 02, 2015, 11:59:47 pm
3:52 p.m.: One reporter says that all the suspects are “dead or in custody.” But police scanners are humming with reports of suspects seen at the local Rite-Aid, the Wells Fargo parking lot, and in other locations, some apparently wearing masks. Police want people to stay in their homes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:00:38 am
East carport area—10 minutes ago—suspect in that area.

Asking for parking garages to be checked
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:02:29 am
Residences are Code 4 (clear) no other explosives found
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:02:43 am
Someone detained "he's on his knees"  (scanner chatter)

Curiously, a voice that didn't sound like any of the other cops/dispatchers broke in to say that we can confirm that everyone is accounted for. No one said "copy" after that.   :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:03:51 am
NBC commentator said that the building where the shootings happened has unarmed security guards.

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SWAT teams are approaching a chruch in the residential area — Mountain View Avenue area. 3rd perp may be hold up inside.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:04:32 am
Suspect believed to be barricaded in nearby church.  Police surrounding it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:06:12 am
Have all units accounted for in this pursuit.

HAve all bodies in vehicle accounted for.

One cell phone in street—to be marked with cone for detectives to check.

Suspect at 1640 Cooley—still detaining—is cooperative—on knees waiting for another unit to arrive
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:09:13 am
Fox news just said:

Two suspects dead in the street, at the dark SUV. The two dead WERE in the shooting situation.

One barricaded in a house/church... surrounded by tactical teams.

One in custody. No mention of a Farooq Aseed yet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:09:26 am

These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:10:31 am
I'm quite confused at this point..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:11:27 am
NBC Newschopper feed:

Perp may have moved from church to residence — Davidson Street.

SWAT are relocating and calling for over-head support.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:12:15 am
These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?
I do not know. It sounds like yes, cannot confirm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:12:39 am
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 8m8 minutes ago

All suspects who were in the SUV are accounted for. Still one suspect holed up. Others unknown. #SanBernardino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:14:22 am
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:15:41 am
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

The media maybe trying to cover for Islam
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:16:20 am
4:13 p.m.: Vicki Cervantes of the San Bernadino Police Department told reporters that one suspect is down, one being “dealt with,” and another possible being pursued. Another update is promised at 4:45 p.m. PST.

Meanwhile, California Gov. Jerry Brown has issued a simple statement: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families and everyone affected by the brutal attack. California will spare no effort in bringing these killers to justice.” He also ordered flags at the State Capitol lowered to half-staff.

One report indicates that ISIS supporters are celebrating the attack on Twitter.

3:55 p.m.: Police scanner reports one suspect as “female Arabic.” Neighbors are calling police to report a fleeing suspect with an orange shirt and camouflage pants. Gov. Jerry Brown has canceled this evening’s Christmas tree-lighting ceremony, according to the Sacramento Bee.

3:52 p.m.: One reporter says that all the suspects are “dead or in custody.” But police scanners are humming with reports of suspects seen at the local Rite-Aid, the Wells Fargo parking lot, and in other locations, some apparently wearing masks. Police want people to stay in their homes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:17:17 am
The media maybe trying to cover for Islam
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:17:45 am
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:19:10 am
Alan Colmes @AlanColmes
   Planned Parenthood Clinic Across Street From San Bernardino Shooting http://colm.es/1Tw8tpd  #p2

The 57th State ‏@EF517_V2 
As usual, you're full of shit. It's 2 miles away you dumb crossdresser


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:19:22 am
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

That is nonsensical, many of the Paris attackers took off as well...those with vehicles.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 12:19:26 am
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

Reading my mind.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:20:27 am
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
American Muslims might not have the same training or temperament as the suicide ISIS Muzzies who do stuff like the Paris attacks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:22:00 am
Two possible suspects are down following a massive shootout, 1 mile south of the IRC building incident, involving police and a dark SUV. San Bernardino police cannot confirm whether the suspects were connected to the mass shooting.

San Bernardino police were chasing the dark SUV before the incident ended in gunfire, and one possible suspect was killed outside the vehicle.

Officers used special tactical equipment to approach the SUV where the body of the second possible suspect was pulled out.

One officer was struck in the shootout but did not suffer life-threatening injuries.

According to a federal law enforcement official, an ATF explosives enforcement officer was investigating a suspected pipe bomb recovered from a suspect.

http://abc7.com/news/san-bernardino-mass-shooting-—what-we-know/1107077/


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NBC Newschopper feed:

All of this is taking place within about 1-1/2 miles of the attacks earlier today.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:22:16 am
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

Last time I checked, Isis wasn't big on suicide missions, they prefer to kill another day. Several of the Paris attackers ran and one lady they thought was one of the terrorists seemed to have been forced to wear the suicide vests.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:23:02 am
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

This is not ISIS.  Not enough dead.  They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have.  No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:23:07 am
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

if it takes a long time to release the identities, that is a good indication it is exactly what it was.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:23:52 am
That is nonsensical, many of the Paris attackers took off as well...those with vehicles.
i know. Cnn trying to not tie it to isis.

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4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:25:24 am
Cop talk:  Suspicious vehicle went by us, black Honda Civic, partial license #5YZ_82.  One occupant has beard.

Church at Gould and Richardson being mentioned. Not sure whether this is shooting-related.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:26:14 am
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.
Well, it did happen in a workplace. So did the Paris attacks - in several workplaces, including a cafe, a concert hall ...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:26:33 am
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.

Exactly.  This is not random terror, which is ISIS' specialty.  Somebody was pissed and had accomplices (and why these other two would go down for this other clown is a mystery).
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:27:45 am
Well, it did happen in a workplace. So did the Paris attacks - in several workplaces, including a cafe, a concert hall ...

But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:28:21 am
if it takes a long time to release the identities, that is a good indication it is exactly what it was.
Exactly
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:28:35 am
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

Not all ISIS killers are on a suicide mission.  Remember Paris?  There was a manhunt there, too.  For days.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:28:45 am
This is not ISIS.  Not enough dead.  They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have.  No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room

So you're saying it's "workplace violence."  I'm sure Obama will say the same thing once it's confirmed that the shooters had Arabic ties.  You and Obama have very similar talking points these days.

  :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:28:53 am
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated.  An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.

Sounds like it to me too.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:29:31 am
American Muslims might not have the same training or temperament as the suicide ISIS Muzzies who do stuff like the Paris attacks.

Also, I heard an expert say ISIS is learning. Their human assets (jihadists) in the United States are limited and so they'd rather they not off themselves, try to live another day to conduct more attacks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:29:51 am
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.

Hassan/Ft. Hood was workplace violence, too. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:30:31 am
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.

Just like Ft. Hood, eh??  **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 12:30:40 am
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?

I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:31:45 am
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?

I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.

I believe the authorities have said that they were the shooters with certainty.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:31:55 am
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?

I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.
While this shooting business was going on in San Bernardino, the other criminals in town probably weren't taking a break from their regular activities!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:33:29 am
One suspect was at meeting targeting the event to make sure targets were on sight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:33:32 am
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps.  I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 12:33:39 am
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY.  ISIS is random terror.  This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.

It seems this private party was for County employees but one would expect this kind of action to be undertaken by a lone kook if it was workplace related.   How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:34:37 am
NBC Newschopper feed:

SWAT has moved down street to a new residence.

============

Cnn says they must know the dead shooters name. Took fingerprints off dead bo=========

=============

roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:35:30 am
  How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?
Yes pals who had full on body armor.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:36:19 am
I have to comment on how freaking stupid it is to call a coordinated attack by three heavily-armed suspects, who obviously had planned this out in advance, as being "workplace violence."

I've never heard of three armored, uniformed, and obviously coordinated killers as being involved in a "workplace violence" massacre. 

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:36:22 am
The Scandalous DJT ‏@AceofSpadesHQ  45m45 minutes ago
i can sense a massive shift in the left from "this incident proves all of our political desiderata" to "Let's not make too much of this"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:36:37 am
So you're saying it's "workplace violence."  I'm sure Obama will say the same thing once it's confirmed that the shooters had Arabic ties.  You and Obama have very similar talking points these days.

  :whistle:

Do you know the shooters had Arabic ties?  The theory being advanced on FOXNEWS on background by LEOs is that the main shooter went to the meeting to make sure the target or targets are there, then leave in a feigned huff, grab two accomplices who were already dressed out, and came in and shot JUST THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING OR PARTY. 

I don't know why you're attacking me.  I know I'm a jerk on Trump, but you're a jerk ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:37:13 am
NBC Newschopper feed:


roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style

It can't be.  They don't attack during work hours!!   **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:37:28 am
It seems this Private Party was for County Employees but one would expect this kind of action to be undertaken by a lone kook if it was workplace related.   How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?

And get two others to go on a suicide mission?  That doesn't add up.  They would either have had their own grievance as well or be part of a larger cause in order to go on a mission that would almost certainly end in their deaths.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:38:29 am


I don't know why you're attacking me.  I know I'm a jerk on Trump, but you're a jerk ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

I'm not attacking you.  I think you adamantly calling it "workplace violence" is dumb without knowing the entire facts of the shooting.  All signs now point to something other than every other "workplace violence" shooting in US history.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:39:11 am
Just like Ft. Hood, eh??  **nononono*

Ft. Hood was random.  This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:40:20 am
Ft. Hood was random. This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.


Wow

So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:40:37 am
Cnn must be upset. Their talking heads keep on saying this was to well planned.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:41:13 am
Not all ISIS killers are on a suicide mission.  Remember Paris?  There was a manhunt there, too.  For days.

One thing about Isis I think everyone has noticed is they aren't operating like typical jihadi terrorists. They are acting more like a parasitic invader invading and staying to control, not just blow themselves up for the 72 Helen Thomases.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:41:35 am
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

Just to speculate, perhaps he/she entered the meeting knowing he/she wasn't going to be welcomed.  Maybe his/her intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against her/him.

Reports are that one perp was an Arabic woman.  Maybe SHE was the employee who had been fired or something.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:41:44 am
John Nolte ‏@NolteNC  5m5 minutes ago North Carolina, USA
I'm hearing reports of a car accident in Charlotte less than 22 miles from a Planned Parenthood.

Stephen Miller ‏@redsteeze  5m5 minutes ago
My God... This shooting happened only 2,750 miles from Planned Parenthood's corporate offices. Are they on lockdown?

Donny Ferguson ‏@DonnyFerguson  32m32 minutes ago
I just got email from the Democrat group "Democracy for America" fundraising off the San Bernadino deaths. Claims Paul Ryan is responsible.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:41:44 am
I'm not attacking you.  I think you adamantly calling it "workplace violence" is dumb without knowing the entire facts of the shooting.  All signs now point to something other than every other "workplace violence" shooting in US history.

Well,I'm just advancing a theory.  I don't know, and you damned sure don't effing know.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:42:15 am
Cnn must be upset. Their talking heads keep on saying this was to well planned.

That and the fact we didn't have some crazy-looking white guy on the TV as a suspect within an hour, too.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:42:31 am
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps.  I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.
yep....notice that if the perp is white it sure doesn't take them long to release name.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:42:49 am
Ft. Hood was random.  This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.

You seriously think Ft. Hood was 'random??'

Never mind, I'm here to get information, not to engage in arguments......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:42:56 am
Well,I'm just advancing a theory.  I don't know, and you damned sure don't effing know.

No, your posts indicate that you do know, or do you not mean to post the words that you post?

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:43:14 am
Fox has mentioned a few times this was possibly a 'dispute at a party'???????
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:43:38 am
Just to speculate, perhaps he entered the meeting knowing he wasn't going to be welcomed.  Maybe his intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against him.

Then he leaves and returns with his accomplices.

Do we know the group holding the meeting?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:44:00 am

Wow

So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence?

The victims were random.

The victims here seem to have been targeted.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:44:38 am
Just to speculate, perhaps he entered the meeting knowing he wasn't going to be welcomed.  Maybe his intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against him.

Then he leaves and returns with his accomplices.

That was the speculation on Fox.  He was scoping out the place, seeing who was there, and feigning anger.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:44:58 am
No, your posts indicate that you do know, or do you not mean to post the words that you post?

I'm putting you on ignore.  You're just trying to be provocative and I'm sick of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:45:06 am
This is not ISIS.  Not enough dead.  They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have.  No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room

Whew....glad to be in agreement with you on this.   :laugh:

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:45:19 am
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:45:32 am
The victims were random.

The victims here seem to have been targeted.

The victims were all at Ft. Hood.

The victims here were all in a meeting.  Or did these three have a beef with every one of the 28 specific people that they shot?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:45:47 am
Do we know the group holding the meeting?
I heard on FOX News it was a Christmas - er, Holiday - party for folks from the county health department. Do not know for sure.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 12:45:48 am
Thanks for all the coverage flowers and everyone else...I don't feel good tonight....so just kind of watching...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:46:31 am
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps

Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:47:12 am
I'm not making heads nor tails from these San Bernardino police/sheriff radio feeds. Half the time I think they're talking about other everyday police stuff, not this shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:47:30 am
The victims were all at Ft. Hood.

The victims here were all in a meeting.  Or did these three have a beef with every one of the 28 specific people that they shot?

Bye.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:47:47 am
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps

Pipe bombs indicate much more planning than even a group of friends pissed off about a party deciding to go shoot someone. Not only do you have to build them, you have to learn how to build them (not hard on the internet but does indicate longer term premeditation).
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:48:11 am
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.

The house they are searching is a perps

Pipe bombs?  It's gonna be tough to beat the premeditated rap.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:48:33 am

Cop talk:  Suspicious vehicle went by us, black Honda Civic, partial license #5YZ_82.  One occupant has beard.



That settles it!    :whistle:      **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:48:59 am
Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?

And a possible IED on the scene.....

Not a chance this was "workplace violence."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:49:31 am
CNN "guy":  Pipe bombs and rifles may well point to them moving to another location.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:50:05 am

Flowers has been awesome.

I was learning events here before radio and TV had it!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 12:50:57 am
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/

Quote
Devout Muslims are rejoicing.

    EXCLUSIVE: ISIS Adherents Praise San Bernardino Massacre, Declare “America Burning”
    The Islamic State created a horrifying hashtag praising the mass shooting but did not take credit for the killings

    By James King and Adi Cohen, Vocativ, on Dec 02, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    ISIS extremists began celebrating the mass shooting in San Bernardino hours after the massacre, creating the hashtag #America_Burning as police hunted for as many as three shooters, Vocativ discovered. The Islamic State, however, did not take credit for the shootings in the ghoulish postings.

    Vocativ deep web analysts discovered the ISIS posts on web forums where the extremists frequently share information.

    “Three lions made us proud. They are still alive,” one ISIS adherent tweeted in Arabic after the shootings at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. “California streets are full with soldiers with heavy weapons. The Unites States is burning #America_Burning #Takbir”

- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/#sthash.Og43TOXP.dpuf

 

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:51:04 am
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps.  I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.

That's probably exactly what's going on.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:51:14 am
Unless a lot of what is being chattered on reports is dead wrong (always a possibility), these aren't your typical Postal-variety crazies.  There was a bigger statement being made here and a lot more planning than an angry worker and a couple of buds drinking beer saying: "Yeah, let's go teach 'em a lesson!"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:51:25 am
That settles it!    :whistle:      **nononono*


The leftist media will start reporting that it's Willie Robertson cause he's pro-life.......    :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 12:51:30 am
Bye.

Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 12:51:35 am
Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?

Sure! They make them on the spot!

How freekin  goofy can some people get?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:52:01 am
I'm not making heads nor tails from these San Bernardino police/sheriff radio feeds. Half the time I think they're talking about other everyday police stuff, not this shooting.
They switched channels it seems.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mrclose on December 03, 2015, 12:53:27 am
This going around now! :shrug:

On Twitter: one suspect in custody an ARABIC FEMALE.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:53:30 am
One suspect was at meeting targeting the event to make sure targets were on sight.

That's what I was thinking.   He/She wanted to make sure somebody was in there.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 12:54:08 am
Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."

No code. Just sick of your aggravation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:54:23 am
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/

Am I allowed to say Muslims are cheering? You won't get any speculation from me on the number of celebrants, though.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:54:52 am
This going around now! :shrug:

On Twitter: one suspect in custody an ARABIC FEMALE.

"The Republicans are now afraid of widows and orphans"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:54:56 am
NBC Newschopper feed:

SWAT has moved down street to a new residence.

============

Cnn says they must know the dead shooters name. Took fingerprints off dead bo=========

=============

roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style

They took fingerprints off the dead bodies because they either carried no identification...OR...the bodies were unidentifiable.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 12:55:01 am
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/

Whoa!  That's telling.........
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 12:56:12 am
2 suspects in vehicle are deceased. One is female, apparently.

===============

Listening to ABC-7, the reporter at the SUV scene said he thought he saw a red bra and that the suspect looked like a female.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 12:56:16 am
That's what I was thinking.   He/She wanted to make sure somebody was in there.

The FBI guy on CNN says these tactics are more "Middle Eastern" than "criminal".  Throwing pipe bombs out of a get away car is used frequently in the Middle East to stop the police chasing them.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 12:57:14 am
That settles it!    :whistle:      **nononono*
I know!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 12:57:39 am

Wow

So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence?

I believe Sink is saying that the victims Hasan targeted were random.  Not the location.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 12:59:22 am
When something awful like this happens, we all as human beings try to use our life experience, as well as our conscious and subconscious preferences to try to make sense of it. Speculation inevitably follows.

Please bear in mind that we can only know what we have been told, by people who themselves have access to limited and imperfect information. 

In time, the truth will be known. For now, my prayers for those who have been hurt or killed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 12:59:48 am
And John Kerry today says he wants more refugees from Syria...85,000 next year, 100,000 the year after.

Dude just has the best sense of timing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:00:01 am
The FBI guy on CNN says these tactics are more "Middle Eastern" than "criminal".  Throwing pipe bombs out of a get away car is used frequently in the Middle East to stop the police chasing them.   :shrug:

Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 01:00:28 am
No code. Just sick of your aggravation.

It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 01:01:05 am
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.


And that means what?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:02:14 am
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.

I'm done. I've been done for several posts. Talk to the other party.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 01:02:26 am
And John Kerry today says he wants more refugees from Syria...85,000 next year, 100,000 the year after.

Dude just has the best sense of timing I've ever seen.

So true.   88devil
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:03:02 am
And that means what?

They were incompetent or they were never intended to go off.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 01:03:19 am
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 01:04:00 am
They were incompetent or they were never intended to go off.

Why throw them if they're never intended to go off?  I think incompetent is the only correct answer here. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 01:04:45 am
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?

They're now going door to door in a residential area.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:06:40 am
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?

There may not be a third suspect.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:11:39 am
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.

==============

Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:13:25 am
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?
They are going door to door. Cnn just had a guy call in and tell them they knocked on his door.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQzf7nVAAA9Z4G.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQ0C_eWsAAGqqD.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:14:10 am
 Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

Another IED has been found. #sanbernardino
1 retweet 0 likes
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:14:29 am
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.

==============

Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.

One of the suspects was reported to be  a female.  So, she had a beard?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:14:33 am
There must be damned good reason they think there are more out there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 01:14:48 am
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.

==============

Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.

Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:16:52 am
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

Another IED has been found. #sanbernardino
1 retweet 0 likes
OK so lets get this straight. Workplace violence. Handy guy gets pissed off gets his buddies who just happen to have full body armor and pipe bombs. Oh IEDs too. Yeah not terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:18:11 am
Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...
Yeah disgruntled employees always have full body armor, IEDs ,pipe bombs.  :smokin: 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:18:26 am
The San Bernardino mountains (around Big Bear, you see them in the background of the picture of the swat teams going door to door) are almost a clichéd hide out area for fugitives on the run.  There was a shootout up there just a couple of winters ago.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:19:59 am
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/

4:55 p.m.: CNN reports that a home in Redlands, CA is being searched and that one of the suspects apparently lives there. The reports of pipe bombs have been confirmed. The suspects apparently threw them from the SUV to distract police during the chase
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:20:25 am
AP:

5:05 p.m.

Police are serving a search warrant on a home in Redlands, California, in connection with the deadly shooting at a social services facility in neighboring San Bernardino.

City spokesman Carl Baker says Redlands police are assisting San Bernardino police in the search connected to the Wednesday morning shooting that killed at least 14 people and wounded more than a dozen others.

An Associated Press reporter watched as a half-dozen vehicles carrying helmeted police drove into the area. One officer carrying an assault rifle ordered reporters to clear the area, and an armored vehicle parked outside a row of homes.

The action followed a gunbattle between occupants of an SUV and San Bernardino police not far from the original shooting scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 01:24:25 am
Perp walks into the part knowing she is not welcomed, but she needs to find out if the person(s) she going to shoot are there.

After they yell at her to leave, she "feigns anger"....goes out to the vehicle.

"...Now you know the Rest of the Story"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:24:52 am
Press-Enterprise Reporter David Danelski was caught up in the middle of Wednesday afternoon's shootout as police surrounded a dark SUV in San Bernardino where one suspect was reportedly down.

Danelski was chasing reports that police had found a black SUV. Here is his first-person account:

I was driving on San Bernardino Avenue and had just crossed Tippecanoe when I saw several police cars going down San Bernardino Avenue with their lights on and I followed them at a safe distance.

Then as I was going down San Bernardino, I heard a thundering sound. I didn’t recognize the sound as gunfire. Then I heard something strange, a whizzing sound go by my car.

I thought, "Oh my God, that could be gunshots," and I pulled over.

I'm on San Bernardino Avenue.

Then I see cops running in that direction, just arriving, maybe six of them and I hear more gunshots. I grab my camera and I’m taking pictures, taking pictures of cops running with guns and then all of a sudden a bunch more gunshots and then I ran.

I made it to the other side of the street and I take cover behind a block wall on my belly, and then lying on my stomach behind a little, short brick wall.

More cops come and one officer starts yelling at me and pulls his pistol and he asks me what I’m doing there.

“I’m a reporter,” I said.

“How did you end up here?” the cop asks.

“I just got caught up in this,” I told him.

He said, “We don’t know who’s out here. Take your camera and go.”

So I ran down the street, two houses down, San Bernardino Avenue, just east of Richardson.

There is a family here and I’ve been hiding in their backyard and they (cops) are still looking for the guy and it could last for hours.

Around 4 p.m., police told area residents to go inside because they were going to detonate a bomb in the street

Police didn't indicate what kind of bomb, but it was found in the street and they were searching for more.

Residents could see police with guns combing the neighborhood north of San Bernardino Avenue, possibly searching for a suspect.

http://www.pe.com/articles/middle-788062-danelski-san.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 01:25:49 am
OK so lets get this straight. Workplace violence. Handy guy gets pissed off gets his buddies who just happen to have full body armor and pipe bombs. Oh IEDs too. Yeah not terrorism.

Yes, that would seem highly unlikely. At least some degree of planning appears to be involved. That would not rule out a workplace dispute, but the involvement of other parties tends to indicate shared motivation. The FBI is busy tonight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:26:15 am
I believe Sink is saying that the victims Hasan targeted were random.  Not the location.

How does the LA Times know that one of the perps was in the conference room prior to the shooting when the names of the shooters hasn't even been released yet?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:26:28 am
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:27:05 am

In time, the truth will be known.

I doubt it.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 01:27:57 am
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

And they are right!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:28:04 am
How does the LA Times know that one of the perps was in the conference room prior to the shooting when the names of the shooters hasn't even been released yet?

An eyewitness in the room said that a man came into the meeting, got angry, left and came back with the other two.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:28:19 am
5:15 p.m.: CNN reports that the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, which is where the shooting took place, had been rented by San Bernadino County personnel for the purpose of holding an annual holiday party.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:29:13 am
These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

Is this you still speculating on a "theory?" 

The Paris attacks weren't "random," either, in that specific locations were targeted.

Again, how does the LA Times know that one of the shooters had been in the room before the IDs of the shooters were even known?   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 01:29:29 am
5:15 p.m.: CNN reports that the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, which is where the shooting took place, had been rented by San Bernadino County personnel for the purpose of holding an annual holiday party.

Geez....I heard that about 4 hours ago.   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:29:47 am
And they are right!

I know we're not supposed to speculate this early on......... BUT........................
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:30:11 am
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

So ISIS terrorists are now targeting the Health Department of San Bernardino county?  What sense does that make?  Why not shoot up the entire building if this is ISIS-style terrorism?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 01:31:00 am
I think this attack was carried out by space aliens.

Well, if we're all just speculating......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:31:32 am
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

Another option is they were looking for a soft target that would be terrifying to people, a hospital. They may not have known the details about what type or who was in the meeting room. What they did was see a hospital and quickly scope out the easiest in and out with the most number of people. From observations, they saw that room had the most people in a small space. The news is saying this was also the only part of the building that was not secure (controlled access). It may not have been completely random but not personal motive with the group either but calculated to be the easiest access with the largest number of people in the smallest space.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 01:32:19 am
Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.
I have been working on a real estate deal yesterday and today with a Los Angeles Fire Dept./EMT friend and client. All this afternoon he has not responded to my text, which is how we communicate when he is working. My guess is that his unit may have rotated into a support role because of this emergency.

Guys like him are the very best. He served in the military as a medic. He lost friends trapped in a fire in Arizona; those guys that jump in behind the lines.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:32:43 am
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:33:20 am
Why throw them if they're never intended to go off?  I think incompetent is the only correct answer here.

Pipe bombs aren't meant to be thrown out of car windows.

My guess is they were heading to another location for another attack, and thankfully LE caught them before they arrived there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:34:33 am
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.

Yes, I'll stop.  I apologize for letting my personal animosity toward a poster sidetrack this thread about a horrific day in CA.   :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:36:19 am
Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.

Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:36:44 am
Perp walks into the part knowing she is not welcomed, but she needs to find out if the person(s) she going to shoot are there.

After they yell at her to leave, she "feigns anger"....goes out to the vehicle.

"...Now you know the Rest of the Story"

I'm guessing if this is true, she was just confirming that the Christmas party was actually happening, and every Christian in it was a "target."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:38:03 am
Presser asalt type clothing, hand guns one male one female.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:38:16 am
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”

I don't think a citizen of Qatar is going to be working at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:38:19 am
Yes, that would seem highly unlikely. At least some degree of planning appears to be involved. That would not rule out a workplace dispute, but the involvement of other parties tends to indicate shared motivation. The FBI is busy tonight.

If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.

"some degree of planning"

"tends to indicate"

What's happened to my country?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 01:38:43 am
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”

Bleepin' Amish bastards, again. Hmmmm.  :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:38:58 am
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.

btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:39:03 am
An eyewitness in the room said that a man came into the meeting, got angry, left and came back with the other two.

Other reports say the female went into the room.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 01:39:19 am
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark

I never did trust folks in Irvine.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:39:40 am
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark
Nah Century City suburb.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:40:45 am
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:41:52 am
Other reports say the female went into the room.   :shrug:

Information is always confused early on.  We'll find out eventually.....

(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 01:42:09 am
I don't think a citizen of Qatar is going to be working at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center.

The other suspect, whose name has been advanced as Farooq Saeed, did work at the San Bernardino Health Department, which was the target of the attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 01:43:04 am
If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.

"some degree of planning"

"tends to indicate"

What's happened to my country?

A lot, and little of it good. But that does not mean that we abandon caution in the absence of reliable information. But when I hear that at least one of those involved was from Qatar, a major state sponsor of terrorism... that starts to change, and quickly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:43:19 am
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!

They know that everyone knows........

Neighborhood is clear now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:43:22 am
Information is always confused early on.  We'll find out eventually.....

(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).

Maybe she was fighting the war on women

/snark
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:43:35 am
presser...person running from vehicle detained.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:43:46 am
M.Joseph Sheppard ‏@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago

“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”

I'm sure we'll be hearing soon that he/she recently converted to Christianity. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:44:42 am
btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.

Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:45:12 am
Maybe she was fighting the war on women

/snark


hehe............ 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:45:28 am
they came dressed and equipped gear. Tactical gear. from presser
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:45:46 am
I'm sure we'll be hearing soon that he recently converted to Christianity.

Pro-life Rush listener who was angry over the fake Planned Parenthood videos... oh yea, and ate GMOs, liked Chick-fil-a and was a climate change denier.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:46:09 am
Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.

LOTS better.

And better than what the chief of police knows too.......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:46:57 am
The other suspect, whose name has been advanced as Farooq Saeed, did work at the San Bernardino Health Department, which was the target of the attack.

And Farooq just happened to have a Qatari citizen and an unknown woman willing to go to their deaths to right a workplace wrong of some kind?  Three from an Islamic background just happen to engage in an act of workplace violence?  And all we have been hearing for weeks is that attacks in America are imminent?

Methinks that is a stretch a bit too far in these days.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:47:30 am
Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.

The media had the same access to scanners as flowers and others did.  flowers is interested in the truth.  Watch the MSM cover-up of this begin, just like the Roseburg shooting did when it came out that the shooter specifically targeted Christians.

We have a Muslim terrorist in the White House.  I'm convinced of it at this point.  What did he do in Pakistan in the early 1980s with his Pakistani roommate?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:48:59 am
BORe said in his experience, when the FBI guy said they won't rule out terrorism (versus immediately saying it wasn't or ascribing another motive), it most likely is the motive but they won't say for sure until they have absolute proof .
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:49:17 am
Pro-life Rush listener who was angry over the fake Planned Parenthood videos... oh yea, and ate GMOs, liked Chick-fil-a and was a climate change denier.

Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party.  Poor person had no choice but to murder them!

I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:50:34 am
San Bernardino: Shot three times, man calls father and wife to say 'I love you... Don't worry'

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shot-three-times-man-calls-father-wife-to-say-i-love-you-20151202-story.html

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:50:50 am
Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party.  Poor person had no choice but to murder them!

I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.

I expect we'll be hearing something like this from an 'expert' on MSNBC tomorrow.......... 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 01:52:34 am
And Farooq just happened to have a Qatari citizen and an unknown woman willing to go to their deaths to right a workplace wrong of some kind?  Three from an Islamic background just happen to engage in an act of workplace violence?  And all we have been hearing for weeks is that attacks in America are imminent?

Methinks that is a stretch a bit too far in these days.

Really?  Damn!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:52:59 am
Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party.  Poor person had no choice but to murder them!

I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.

Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:53:31 am
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 01:55:35 am
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker. If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.

You and I are thinking the same thing...see just above your post.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:56:15 am
Cnn trying to say person upset came back and did this. Also cannot understand why they picked this event. soft target you idiots. Cnn how did this guy who was upset come back so quickly with EIDs pipe bombs and full on tack gear.? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 01:57:26 am
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.

Environmental Health Specialist???   A friend of the Obama administration??   :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 01:57:30 am
Lead shooter was US citizen . ..per Fox News . .
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:59:07 am
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.

With that new SUV, the expensive weaponry, and apparently a house, it's obvious that minimum-wage Farooq was getting financial help from somewhere else to plot this elaborate "workplace violence" incident.

It appears to be the very definition of a sleeper cell as we've been warned about.  Assimilating so not to raise flags, yet being funded by others to carry out violence.  Same thing as the Paris cell, by the way. 

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 01:59:25 am
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.
yep....... they have had 7 years to infiltrate our system.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 01:59:48 am
Cnn trying to say person upset came back and did this. Also cannot understand why they picked this event. soft target you idiots. Cnn how did this guy who was upset come back so quickly with EIDs pipe bombs and full on tack gear.?

They have no frigin idea as to whether or not the person who allegedly left that party is one of the participants in the shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 01:59:52 am
Lead shooter was US citizen . ..per Fox News . .

What is a "lead shooter?"  The one who said "come on guys!!!"?

They are all murderers, and possibly at this point all Muslim terrorists.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:01:02 am
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!

They're handling the media aspect of this with kid gloves. 

We all know what that implies: Politically inexpedient perpetrators.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 02:02:11 am
The person had already been fired and they told them to haul a$$.

They just wanted to be sure the party had started and that their supervisor was there.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:02:50 am
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook

If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
Just like the 9/11 attackers. They went to flight schools and wanted only to learn how to take off not land. They are all over in this country now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 03, 2015, 02:03:29 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:04:35 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.


That is my thinking as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:05:27 am
They have no frigin idea as to whether or not the person who allegedly left that party is one of the participants in the shooting.
That is what they want to run with. It will be the story. Even though pipe bombs, IEDs and tac gear takes time to make and get.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:05:41 am
Just like the 9/11 attackers. They went to flight schools and wanted only to learn how to take off not land. They are all over in this country now.

Unfortunately true! And many more in the pipeline!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 02:06:48 am
If Farooq had nothing to do with this, and was just caught up in a badly timed office party argument, you think he could not get to the media fast enough, to say "I'm innocent", or even a family member or attorney to speak for him. but it seems he disappeared from the planet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:06:54 am
The person had already been fired and they told them to haul :nono:.

They just wanted to be sure the party had started and that their supervisor was there.   :shrug:

This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:07:15 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 02:08:43 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:09:30 am
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.

I think you nailed it!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:10:44 am
Roh ruh the guy on Cnn Bear I think is his last name he always goes against the terrorism theme. Call it terrorism
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:11:07 am
Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.

Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:12:10 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians?   Notice how that story went away quickly?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:12:43 am
Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.

Minor league in terms of the number of dead.  No disrespect meant to the dead at all.

Sheesh.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:13:00 am
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.
yep......that is the MO of all of the events. If a white guy, right away. Not helping the agenda.....trying to find a way to make it so.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:13:47 am
Minor league in terms of the number of dead.  No disrespect meant to the dead at all.

Thanks for clarifying, and good to hear.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:14:00 am
Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.

What an absolutely disgusting thing to say.  You should be ashamed of yourself, except for you clearly lack any sense of shame.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:14:02 am
Exactly.  Minor league copy cat attack.


Home grown Islamic Terrorism.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:14:04 am
Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.

Some people REFUSE to pull their heads out of the sand regardless of the evidence all around them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 03, 2015, 02:14:14 am
Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians?   Notice how that story went away quickly?
Wasn't the perpetrator of that massacre an agnostic, or something like that? Again, not Islamic.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 02:14:22 am
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.

I like that take, ArneFufkin!   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 02:14:33 am
Minor league?  Tell that to the families of the dead.

"Minor league" sounds a lot like "JV team" and minimizes the terror and horror of what happened today.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:14:43 am
I think you nailed it!

Especially two days after the idiot in the White House informed Americans and the World that Global Warming was a bigger threat to our lives and futures than Islamist Terror.   Did global warming kill 14 innocent souls in San Bernadino today?   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 02:15:24 am
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.

Good insight. That thought passed my mind. It just didn't stop there....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:15:24 am
Thanks for clarifying, and good to hear.

It was a stupid thing to post in the first place.  14 dead is not "minor league" anything, regardless.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:16:19 am
NBC Nightly NewsVerified account @NBCNightlyNews 3m3 minutes ago DEVELOPING: SWAT vehicle ramming home in Redlands, Calif., near San Bernardino.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQ_YTmUEAAMaQh.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVQ__mDUEAAhpZO.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Fishrrman on December 03, 2015, 02:16:22 am
jmyrle wrote above:
"These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror."

Why smaller cities?
Softer, easier targets.
There are hundreds of them and thousands of locations like this one from which to choose.

The "uncertainty" of where you can strike next increases the level of anxiety EVERYwhere.

As we see places like New York and D.C. "toughened", the logical choice is to target "nowheresville", because you can't protect these places.

From the terrorist perspective, this will be critiqued as a highly successful operation.

We're going to see more like it.
Perhaps many more.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:16:50 am
Wasn't the perpetrator of that massacre an agnostic, or something like that? Again, not Islamic.

No, the shooter there had ISIS links on his Facebook page, and one of his few "friends" was an overseas Muslim.

Why are some of you so quick to defend the Death Cult known as Islam?  I don't get it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:18:09 am
No, the shooter there had ISIS links on his Facebook page, and one of his few "friends" was an overseas Muslim.

Why are some of you so quick to defend the Death Cult known as Islam?  I don't get it.


I don't defend Islam, I have worked with Muslims here in America and it didn't bother me.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 03, 2015, 02:18:20 am
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.

This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:18:32 am
"Minor league" sounds a lot like "JV team" and minimizes the terror and horror of what happened today.

 

Minor leaguers are still professionals.  This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.

It may be a terrorist attack.  We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Charlespg on December 03, 2015, 02:19:23 am
prerecorded


http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt


peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 02:19:35 am
jmyrle wrote above:
"These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror."

Why smaller cities?
Softer, easier targets.
There are hundreds of them and thousands of locations like this one from which to choose.

The "uncertainty" of where you can strike next increases the level of anxiety EVERYwhere.

As we see places like New York and D.C. "toughened", the logical choice is to target "nowheresville", because you can't protect these places.

From the terrorist perspective, this will be critiqued as a highly successful operation.

We're going to see more like it.
Perhaps many more.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:21:03 am
This has become a charade.  They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute.   Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?

They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.

I'm in Portland, OR, so it's early here, but it's getting late on the east coast, and I'm sure the White House will be pulling an all-nighter, minus their lazy and stupid president, to try and spin this as anything other than a terror attack on a Christmas party.   They have about 8 hours to come out with talking points before the morning news programs begin.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 02:21:32 am
Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians?   Notice how that story went away quickly?

Good point.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:21:46 am
It was a stupid thing to post in the first place.  14 dead is not "minor league" anything, regardless.

Sometimes Sink gets ahead of himself.  He clarified.  Good enough.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 02:21:58 am


Minor leaguers are still professionals.  This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.

It may be a terrorist attack.  We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.


You don't compile pipe bombs for a getaway.   And you sure as hell don't sit in the back seat with an AR-15 strapped to your chest...unless you're planning on hitting another site.

Just something to consider.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:22:04 am
prerecorded


http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt (http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt)


peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:


So what is your solution? Kick all of the Muslims out?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:23:11 am

You don't compile pipe bombs for a getaway.   And you sure as hell don't sit in the back seat with an AR-15 strapped to your chest...unless you're planning on hitting another site.

Just something to consider.

The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them.  So they were decoys.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 02:23:58 am
prerecorded


http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt


peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:

Have just one question....please indulge me.

Howza come your post spells out the "a" word, but I get  :nono:  ?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 02:24:34 am
The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them.  So they were decoys.

Thanks, Sink!   :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:24:57 am
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.

In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:25:02 am
The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them.  So they were decoys.

Still, earlier the FBI rep was discussing how using pipe bombs during a get away is a tactic from the Middle East.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 02:26:04 am
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.

This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?

It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:28:23 am
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.


To be more honest I'm afraid of ISIS supporters who are American citizens. Mainly the home grown variety.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:29:17 am
Name of the prime shooter was Sayeed Faroouk.  An American citizen.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:29:51 am
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.

This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?

It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:30:40 am
Recorded link of the SUV shoot-out, police scanner audio
http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt

===========================

 Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 9m9 minutes ago

Police are about to detonate one of the explosive devices. Advising officers to back up/ take cover behind a vehicle. #SanBernardino
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:30:43 am
Name of the prime shooter was Sayeed Faroouk.  An American citizen.

Does that rule out Islamic terror?  (Who deemed him the "prime shooter"?)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 02:31:00 am
In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.

Right. 

Similar to the threat at Polaris Mall I mentioned above right after 9/11.   I shop in that Mall, and it certainly scared the wits out of me sitting in the middle of Ohio....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:31:37 am

I don't defend Islam, I have worked with Muslims here in America and it didn't bother me.

I have Muslim friends.  They don't take their faith literally, though.  The one that did refused to let his white American wife who was our college friend associate with us "infidels" after about a year of their marriage, and ended up moving them to Saudi Arabia about 6 years ago after years of them disappearing from everybody's social life, along with their kids.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:31:50 am
6:15 p.m.: NBC News investigative reporter Tom Winter reports that law enforcement sources indicate one suspect may be a man named Sayeed Farook.

    Multiple law enforcement sources in multiple agencies tell NBC News that one of the suspects in the San Bernardino shooting is Sayeed Farook

    — Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) December 3, 2015

6:00 p.m.: Adelle Nazarian of Breitbart News notes that CNN analysts say the attack looks like terrorism:

    Speaking on CNN’s Out Front with Erin Burnett Wednesday, former CIA case officer Robert Baer said the most “disturbing” aspect of the deadly San Bernardino shooting is that it was carried out using tactics that are employed in the Middle East.

    “What I don’t like about this shooting is multiple shooters… IEDs… I say this very reluctantly, but this has the hallmarks of the sort of attacks you see in the Middle East,” Baer said.

    Former FBI special agent Robert Chacon agreed with Baer’s assertions later on in the show.

Meanwhile, local NBC News is reporting the progress of the SWAT team in entering the Redlands house of one of the suspects:

    DEVELOPING: SWAT vehicle ramming home in Redlands, Calif., near San Bernardino. LIVE: https://t.co/y9ZPtcRopy pic.twitter.com/KLZ08LeW9O

    — NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) December 3, 2015
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:32:07 am
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty. 

 goopo
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 02:32:11 am
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.

Arne.....you should spend more time with us.

Really like your POV and the way you express it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:32:40 am

To be more honest I'm afraid of ISIS supporters who are American citizens. Mainly the home grown variety.

I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:32:50 am
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.

You are on a roll tonight!    :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:33:11 am
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.

Also remember that Isis is not Al Qaeda, they operate very differently. They don't go for one big publicity attack but a lot of, what I referred to earlier, as parasitic attacks. They also don't seem to be that fond of killing themselves up for the sake of jihad but living to fight another day or at least to the next target. They seem to be a lot more political in wanting to establish a caliphate as they've declared, and part of that is possible extending influence so they will want as many attacks, no matter the size, in as many diverse locations as possible. They seem to want to weaken political resolve of opponents so they are left to grow their caliphate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:33:55 am
Arne.....you should spend more time with us.

Really like your POV and the way you express it.

Thanks DC, that's nice.

I'll be by here often as we wind into Election season.  This is a great place!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:34:03 am
Does that rule out Islamic terror?  (Who deemed him the "prime shooter"?)

Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?

No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.  And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:35:20 am
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Is it still the NOI primarily recruiting and evangelizing in prisons?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Charlespg on December 03, 2015, 02:36:13 am

So what is your solution? Kick all of the Muslims out?
If necessary H*** yes

I have read their koran

they have the world divided

Dār al-Ḥarb ...house of war

thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )

dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule

read the koran  its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:36:41 am
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.


Exactly..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:37:25 am
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

Like the ones Obama will likely pardon before he leaves office?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:37:36 am
Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?

No.  In fact, I defended you a few posts up.

Quote
No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.  And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up. 

In all candor, Sink, there are many times when you post one sentence, without context or a point.  The post I asked about was one of those.

Thanks again for clarifying.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:37:46 am
And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.

My God, what does it take !!!

They won't - are probably under orders not to - because an apparent muslim/middle easterner is involved.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 02:38:18 am
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms.   But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people.  What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?

I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus.  While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.   

This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.

Terrorists are independent contractors essentially. Some are more proficient than others.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 02:38:18 am
If necessary H*** yes

I have read their koran

they have the world divided

Dār al-Ḥarb ...house of war

thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )

dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule

read the koran  its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims


So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim?? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:38:59 am
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.

Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:39:16 am

So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim??

Let's stay on topic tonight.  We'll have this debate soon enough.

Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 02:39:39 am
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.
Totally agree with that.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:40:45 am
Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.

A friend came up with a good term tonight for them, #TragedyVultures, I think that's a perfect description and I'm about to start hitting Hill and other's twitter with it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:43:21 am
These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?

They probably had a driver waiting with the SUV, which would make four total.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:44:02 am
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.

Exactly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 02:44:06 am
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 02:44:24 am
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities.   It could be an expansion of their methods.

Yes. Possibly change of tactics to make it more difficult to profile, plan and deter
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 02:44:35 am
Let's stay on topic tonight.  We'll have this debate soon enough.

Thanks.

No we won't have that debate.  We do not discriminate on the basis of religion in this country.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:45:00 am
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

....and as the person she was talking to not 20 minutes ago pointed out, that was the only part of the building that wasn't secured with controlled access.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: musiclady on December 03, 2015, 02:45:35 am
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.

She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?

Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting".   It was a Christmas party!

A point which most of us picked up on.......
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:45:38 am
No we won't have that debate.  We do not discriminate on the basis of religion in this country.

Okay.  Then we're good for staying on topic?   ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:46:51 am
6:32 p.m.: NBC goes further and states that a second suspect could be Farook’s brother:

    JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother: Sources https://t.co/XuFyOhXh2T

    — NBC News (@NBCNews) December 3, 2015

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-shooting/

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:47:10 am
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.

That they didn't commit suicide is not determinative.  It sounds like a local cell was activated; they would most likely be Americans who were recruited, with possibly a foreign handler/manager, and those people - the American recruits - would probably not be able to carry out the final act, the suicide, because not as fully vested as a foreign cadre would be.  I've heard of this happening here and there overseas.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 02:47:33 am


Minor leaguers are still professionals.  This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.

It may be a terrorist attack.  We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.

I clearly understand your point, sink.
Horrific? Certainly.
Terrorism? Almost certainly.
Jihad sympathizers? Likely.
A formal cell of ISIS or similar? Maybe not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:48:30 am
6:32 p.m.: NBC goes further and states that a second suspect could be Farook’s brother:

    JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother: Sources https://t.co/XuFyOhXh2T

    — NBC News (@NBCNews) December 3, 2015

Hmmm... did the brother work at the same agency? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:48:48 am
Exactly.  This is not random terror, which is ISIS' specialty.  Somebody was pissed and had accomplices (and why these other two would go down for this other clown is a mystery).

And they just happened to have body armor and etc?  How convenient.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:49:42 am
....and as the person she was talking to not 20 minutes ago pointed out, that was the only part of the building that wasn't secured with controlled access.
Cnn  upset with that as well. why target that area.   Duh!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:50:00 am
. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.

So now that's back into play?  Have your read your posts in this thread, when you were adamant it was "workplace violence," and lashed out at those who offered alternate reasons for these shootings?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:50:39 am
And they just happened to have body armor and etc?  How convenient.
Yes really convenient.  :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2015, 02:51:29 am
And they just happened to have body armor and etc? 

Doesn't everyone?   :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:54:14 am
Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."

drop it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:54:52 am
No code. Just sick of your aggravation.

how 'bout dropping it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 02:55:14 am
That they didn't commit suicide is not determinative.  It sounds like a local cell was activated; they would most likely be Americans who were recruited, with possibly a foreign handler/manager, and those people - the American recruits - would probably not be able to carry out the final act, the suicide, because not as fully vested as a foreign cadre would be.  I've heard of this happening here and there overseas.

The Paris shooters didn't commit suicide.  Why is the far left so intent on importing terrorists into the USA?  Why does the media excuse Islamic terrorism?   Do they really think that Obama doesn't want Islam to have a stronger foothold in the USA?  Are they all mentally ill, or masochistic, or just so blinded by loyalty to liberalism they can't see what is right in front of their face?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 02:55:23 am
Terrorists are independent contractors essentially. Some are more proficient than others.

This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?

You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 02:55:23 am
I commend the law enforcement guys for their response, they did well.
As confusing as all of this was... at least from my view...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:55:26 am
Am I allowed to say Muslims are cheering? You won't get any speculation from me on the number of celebrants, though.

Of course you are, because they are.  Let's just be careful about saying they're in Jersey City.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:56:43 am
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.

These people had a connection to the group that was meeting.  This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.

The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.

So they didn't get the bombs built correctly.  That doesn't vitiate the basic point.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:57:35 am
Workplace violence and Islamic terrorism aren't necessarily isolated from each other. It isn't exactly like there is a membership card and secret decoder ring you carry if you are part of Isis. They use the internet and social media in particular to spread their message and influence people to their cause. Their websites and magazines are slick propaganda machines. They easily can target those who are disaffected or mentally unstable and provide the nudges and the information they need to act in a way that is conducive to their cause without actually sending them to training camps.

Politicians don't want to address this (but Anonymous is all over it) because it means that anyone can be currently influenced to act in a way that is beneficial to them.

This isn't clear like the guys with the white hats against the guys in the black hats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 02:57:52 am
Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...


:silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 02:59:42 am
or just so blinded by loyalty to liberalism they can't see what is right in front of their face?
that is the answer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 03:00:08 am
So they didn't get the bombs built correctly.  That doesn't vitiate the basic point.

I may dig into some Anonymous pages where they are going after their guides and magazines and see what they say about building these things and strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if they encourage fake bombs for diversion and deflection.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:00:29 am
So ISIS terrorists are now targeting the Health Department of San Bernardino county?  What sense does that make?  Why not shoot up the entire building if this is ISIS-style terrorism?

soft target of opportunity.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 03:01:15 am
So they didn't get the bombs built correctly.  That doesn't vitiate the basic point.

They didn't just "not build them correctly."  They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 03:02:00 am
Goodnight you all!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 03:03:31 am
They didn't just "not build them correctly."  They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.

Did those people chasing them have any way of knowing that?

GEEEZ you are tiresome!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 03:04:30 am
This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?

You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.

Kind of my point too.

Isis blankets Facebook pages with messages looking for people not happy with their employers, teachers, or family. they start to influence.  They start prodding and leading them to do their bidding.

The target of opportunity is not the location they attack, but the opportunity to have an attacker.

In other words, their victory isn't hitting specific targets. Their victory is recruiting people to take action, no matter what the target.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 03:05:02 am
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.

There is also a tremendous number of active-duty US Army who practice Islam.  Of course the vast majority are black.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:07:03 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

True.  But it is more consistent with a locally-recruited sleeper cell; individuals who have never received hard-core training overseas and instead have been instructed to hit targets of opportunity that they find.  I believe I recall reading a little news item some time ago that there was a fear that the Americans and Europeans who made their way to Syria and etc were basically being given some rudimentary training and told to go back home and then pick a target and go for it.  Nothing major, just a soft target that the recruits could manage.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 03:10:18 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
I notice this big time, for there hasn't been very much focus on Lost Angeles, our 2nd largest city. I think the terrorists' point is yes, we can do it there too.

And they certainly have a diverse population within which to mingle. LA is for instance the largest place for Iranians, out side Iran. Not saying this is Iranian, BTW--just portraying the multi-cultural aspect of this huge metro area.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 03:10:43 am
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.

These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.

You are thinking too small...too limited a pattern. It leaves no room for a new thing.  It's like expecting military tactics to never change, that's how societies lose wars - by fighting the last one.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 03:13:30 am
They probably had a driver waiting with the SUV, which would make four total.

The 3rd person who is in custody was the driver.  Reported that he was seen going over fences yard to yard.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:14:42 am
Doesn't everyone?   :smokin:

I'm beginning to think that maybe we all should.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 03:14:49 am
Especially two days after the idiot in the White House informed Americans and the World that Global Warming was a bigger threat to our lives and futures than Islamist Terror.   Did global warming kill 14 innocent souls in San Bernadino today?
How exactly will he explain this episode and glubull warming together?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 03:14:51 am
soft target of opportunity.

Open post.

Sorry Islam, you can't have America. Tone down the ordinance and come up with better ideas than the west, maybe then we'll talk.

P.S. When did you stop beating your wives?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:15:27 am
This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?

You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.


Are you thinking of applying?  :silly:

/jk
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 03:16:47 am
I notice this big time, for there hasn't been very much focus on Lost Angeles, our 2nd largest city. I think the terrorists' point is yes, we can do it there too.

And they certainly have a diverse population within which to mingle. LA is for instance the largest place for Iranians, out side Iran. Not saying this is Iranian, BTW--just portraying the multi-cultural aspect of this huge metro area.


Hell it could happen in Peoria Illinois..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:16:52 am
They didn't just "not build them correctly."  They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.

And, as someone else pointed out, dummy bombs still make for good diversions, and have the added benefit of not accidentally blowing up in your own face.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 03:19:44 am
In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.
Second largest metro area in the nation; they had reporters on scene in helicopters in a few minutes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 03:21:39 am
So this murderer targeted a Christmas party, and it's just "workplace violence" for some? 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471

Quote
“I haven’t heard anything. He worked in a county office,” Farook's dad told The News. “He’s married and has a kid. We’re estranged because my wife got the divorce, and they are together. She doesn’t want to see me.”

Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.

“He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 03:22:37 am
I clearly understand your point, sink.
Horrific? Certainly.
Terrorism? Almost certainly.
Jihad sympathizers? Likely.
A formal cell of ISIS or similar? Maybe not.

Perhaps the "trigger" was the fact that the Department offended and insulted Sayd's religion by sponsoring a Christmas celebration and he recruited two other ghouls to avenge that insult to Allah.   He went in to denounce the managers and co-workers for not acceding to his demands.

Who knows?  It could be workplace AND religion related.   14 people are dead because of these assholes and their corrupt religion doubtless DID play a role regardless if they were part of a larger network or not.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Fishrrman on December 03, 2015, 03:23:03 am
kevindavis asks above:
"So what is your solution? Kick all of the muslims out?"

In a word.... yes.

Return them to dar al-islam.

Do you understand what that term describes?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 03:23:23 am
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48303725.cached.jpg)

Syed Farook


Suspect ID'd in San Bernardino Massacre as Syed Farook

Syed Farook is one of three suspected gunmen who attacked a center for the disabled, killing 14 and injuring more on Wednesday.

CORONA, CALIFORNIA — Law enforcement officials have identified Syed Farook as one of the suspected shooters who attacked a center for the disabled in San Bernardino, California, according to NBC News. The Daily Beast has learned that the police have just executed a search warrant at a Redlands, California address—an address that belongs to Farook’s family.

Police pursued a car leaving from the Redlands address, Chief Jarrod Baraugan said at a Wednesday evening press conference. A male and female suspect were inside the car, and both of them have been killed. Both of the suspects were armed with assault rifles and handguns, Baraugan said. Police have apprehended a third man, but have not identified his relation to the attacks yet.

more at:   http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

______________________________________________________

Perp's father said that he is a very devout Muslim.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 03:23:55 am
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances. 

I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner.   The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities.   Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
That was my first reaction. The idea of multiple attacks on our nation here at home, after this many years of Obama drives the point across, that his policies for national security simply have failed.

A seagoing folks might say, we had better batten down the hatches.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:24:24 am
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48303725.cached.jpg)

Syed Farook

Taking a selfie in the mirror.  Doesn't he know how to take a selfie directly with the phone?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 03, 2015, 03:25:42 am
kevindavis asks above:
"So what is your solution? Kick all of the muslims out?"

In a word.... yes.

Return them to dar al-islam.

Do you understand what that term describes?


Even American Citizens who are Muslim??
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 03:26:27 am
Second largest metro area in the nation; they had reporters on scene in helicopters in a few minutes.

I wonder how long before news organizations give up helicopters for drones? Drones get excellent aerial photography.

The only helicopters I see any more in the sky above New York City are police copters.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: alicewonders on December 03, 2015, 03:26:59 am
Goodnight you all!

Thank you flowers, I've been reading through it all to catch up and you have done a great job of updating us!  I appreciate the effort! 

 :beer:



Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:27:13 am
I wonder how long before news organizations give up helicopters for drones? Drones get excellent aerial photography.

The only helicopters I see any more in the sky above New York City are police copters.

That'll probably take several years of wooing the FAA.  Right now drones give the FAA the vapors.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 03:27:37 am
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American -  in our jails and correctional institutions.   These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
We will be letting them out into our civilian populations, since we lack resources and sense to keep them behind bars.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 03:27:45 am
Perhaps the "trigger" was the fact that the Department offended and insulted Sayd's religion by sponsoring a Christmas celebration and he recruited two other ghouls to avenge that insult to Allah.   He went in to denounce the managers and co-workers for not acceding to his demands.

Who knows?  It could be workplace AND religion related.   14 people are dead because of these assholes and their corrupt religion doubtless DID play a role regardless if they were part of a larger network or not.

Agreed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 03:30:42 am
Thank you flowers, I've been reading through it all to catch up and you have done a great job of updating us!  I appreciate the effort! 

 :beer:

God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:32:41 am
God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!

Agreed!

:beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 03:32:54 am
That'll probably take several years of wooing the FAA.  Right now drones give the FAA the vapors.

To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption).  Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 03:33:14 am
It's like these news reporters are stumbling over themselves to say we don't know if it is terrorism...sigh...do they not remember their own stories from two weeks ago about ISIS recruiting over the Internet and telling the "believers" to launch exactly this type of attack.

They are saying "because he's Muslim doesn't mean this is terrorism".  They are just simply idiots and it is this kind of idiocy that has crippled this country in so many ways. We can't make judgements and we must put our brains on the shelf and lap the politically correct crap up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 03:34:04 am
To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption).  Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.

Precisely.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 03:37:08 am
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 03:43:05 am
To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption).  Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.
However right now Amazon is talking about delivering packages by drones, which fly below 400 ft. altitude.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 03:50:13 am
It's like these news reporters are stumbling over themselves to say we don't know if it is terrorism...sigh...do they not remember their own stories from two weeks ago about ISIS recruiting over the Internet and telling the "believers" to launch exactly this type of attack.

They are saying "because he's Muslim doesn't mean this is terrorism".  They are just simply idiots and it is this kind of idiocy that has crippled this country in so many ways. We can't make judgements and we must put our brains on the shelf and lap the politically correct crap up.

This PC crap is going to kill us all!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:01:09 am
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.
Neighbors of Farooq also said that 4-5 middle eastern men would come to that apartment at all hours of the night and in the past week started receiving large amounts of packages, not your normal package deliveries, but A LOT of them which seemed odd
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:01:39 am
CAIR is going to hold a press conference in Anaheim with a member of one of the suspect’s family.

Reporter Adam {Fox News)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 04:05:11 am
CAIR's trying to get out ahead of an inevitable backlash. 

I don't think it will work.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 03, 2015, 04:06:26 am
Tomorrow's New York Daily News goes full-on atheist in its myopic gun-control crusade:

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:09:00 am
Tomorrow's New York Daily News goes full-on atheist in its myopic gun-control crusade:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVRBkkRWUAAcuHJ.jpg)

God but I hate that paper.  It's as yellow a rag as the NYT is.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 04:09:10 am
The Daily News is desperately trying to help Hillary...who had a VERY bad day today.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:09:34 am
CAIR's trying to get out ahead of an inevitable backlash. 

I don't think it will work.

Hope it doesn't.  'Course they'll have the full weight of the White House and the DNC behind them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 04:13:39 am
Hope it doesn't.  'Course they'll have the full weight of the White House and the DNC behind them.

What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 04:15:39 am
Neighbors of Farooq also said that 4-5 middle eastern men would come to that apartment at all hours of the night and in the past week started receiving large amounts of packages, not your normal package deliveries, but A LOT of them which seemed odd

Which makes one wonder if there are still more out there with more plans. What they were carrying and even the dummy pipe bombs don't constitute an alarming amount of deliveries or need to spend a lot of time in a garage. A few trips to Bass Pro Shops for some firearms and civilian tac gear, to the nearest plumbing supply store for pipe fittings. Even if they wanted to make a few pipe bombs live, they don't need the amount of shipments and time it seems the neighbor is implying (an Acetone peroxide bomb for example, can be made with a couple of ingredients one finds at any drug store and wouldn't draw suspicion buying).
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:15:44 am
What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.

What do you think?  They are going to play it down, try the "don't look at the man behind the curtain" tactic and blame it on the NRA and the lack of gun control - look at the cover of the Daily News that just got posted and you'll see part of their playbook - and they'll play up the workplace violence issue and somehow fit in that the guy was mentally unstable.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:16:22 am
Which makes one wonder if there are still more out there with more plans. What they were carrying and even the dummy pipe bombs don't constitute an alarming amount of deliveries or need to spend a lot of time in a garage. A few trips to Bass Pro Shops for some firearms and civilian tac gear, to the nearest plumbing supply store for pipe fittings. Even if they wanted to make a few pipe bombs live, they don't need the amount of shipments and time it seems the neighbor is implying (an Acetone peroxide bomb for example, can be made with a couple of ingredients one finds at any drug store and wouldn't draw suspicion buying).

There are almost certainly some more out there.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 04:18:05 am
Neighbor was a good liberal. She was alarmed by the shipments and activity but didn't want to report it because they were middle eastern and she didn't want to come across as bigoted against them.

Fox just about to show footage inside the center during the shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:20:04 am
Neighbor was a good liberal. She was alarmed by the shipments and activity but didn't want to report it because they were middle eastern and she didn't want to come across as bigoted against them.

Fox just about to show footage inside the center during the shooting.

Sounds like the cops and social workers in the UK who downplayed the child rape rings composed of muslims/middle easterners because they didn't want to be accused of being racist.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 04:20:48 am
What do you think?  They are going to play it down, try the "don't look at the man behind the curtain" tactic and blame it on the NRA and the lack of gun control - look at the cover of the Daily News that just got posted and you'll see part of their playbook - and they'll play up the workplace violence issue and somehow fit in that the guy was mentally unstable.

Won't work...too close to Paris, no time for people to forget.  You may actually hear "hawk" talk from them, backed up by nothing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:22:02 am
Won't work...too close to Paris, no time for people to forget.  You may actually hear "hawk" talk from them, backed up by nothing.

But we're dealing with liberals who are particularly disconnected from reality and who have a very long track record of doing precisely this sort of thing.

I'm not saying it's going to work this time, but I'm still pretty sure that's what we're going to hear from them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 04:23:55 am
But we're dealing with liberals who are particularly disconnected from reality and who have a very long track record of doing precisely this sort of thing.

I'm not saying it's going to work this time, but I'm still pretty sure that's what we're going to hear from them.

It would be amazing tone-deafness on their part and it might put them in a big hole...but I sure can't say you are wrong.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 04:24:56 am
It would be amazing tone-deafness on their part and it might put them in a big hole...but I sure can't say you are wrong.

In a way I hope that they do pull that sort of brazen lie - Hitler's "Big Lie" - because I tend to agree with you that I don't think it will work, at least not nearly as well as it's worked in the past.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 04:54:25 am
CAIR presser now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 04:59:58 am
CAIR spokesman keeps trying to speak for the shooter's BIL, seems he wants to say more.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 05:00:54 am
Fox dropped the CAIR presser for an upcoming police presser.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ArneFufkin on December 03, 2015, 05:01:58 am
God but I hate that paper.  It's as yellow a rag as the NYT is.

Zuckerman couldn't unload this p.o.s. property for most any price earlier this year.   The paper was okay under Myler but since he left it's really become odious.

What made anyone in that editor meeting think that leading with a ridicule of people sending prayers for the victims of a mass murder was a good idea?   These leftists are dead in their very souls.   It was the most important topic of convo at cesspools like DailyKos and DU as well today.   Not the murder - but the reaction by well meaning folks to offer prayers for the victims, survivors and their families.   

How are we supposed to live in a community with people of such bankrupt morals?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 05:12:12 am
God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!

indeed. thank you
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 05:48:37 am
What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.
Man O Man, they had those two guys on a CAIR press conference in Anaheim, in record time.

I told my wife my sense is the peaceful muslims must be getting worried, justifiably, that they are going to get some retribution.

A couple of fair questions for a press conference

--Aren't the shooters merely following the Koran, and killing non-believers as directed by the prophet?

--Aren't your comments here tonight merely Taqiyya, which is lying to protect and advance islam?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 06:17:34 am
What I'm taking away from the evening press conference: Americans, the only people on earth incapable of seeing the truth as it sits in plain sight in front of their faces, and the people who are the least capable of facing reality.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 07:00:20 am
If Pearl Harbor happened today, it would take us six months to figure out that it was the Japanese...and we'd still be quick to say that the whole country didn't do it and really it's the fault of racist white people. /rant
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: raml on December 03, 2015, 07:05:13 am
It was terrorism by Muslims and yes the united states is getting dumber and dumber. I really can't believe how stupid most are.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Paladin on December 03, 2015, 07:18:46 am
If Pearl Harbor happened today, it would take us six months to figure out that it was the Japanese...and we'd still be quick to say that the whole country didn't do it and really it's the fault of racist white people. /rant

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 07:39:10 am
What's the White House going to say?  This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.

I thought it was obviously "workplace violence" with IEDs, pipe bombs, and targeted victims behind it?   Terrorists don't attack during the day!!

You're a joke at this point.  If that bans me, so be it.  I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country.  Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 10:11:33 am
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.

So much for "If you see something, say something"... :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:39:46 am
2 Suspects Named In Shootings That Killed 14, Wounded 17 In San Bernardino
December 2, 2015 5:49 PM

SAN BERNARDINO (CBSLA.com) — Fourteen people were confirmed killed and 17 more wounded in a mass shooting at a San Bernardino community social services building.

“We do have some preliminary numbers of upwards of 14 people that are dead and upwards of 14 people that are injured,” said Chief Jarrod Burguan of San Bernardino Police. The number of injured was later upped to 17.

At least 10 of the injured are reportedly in critical condition.

CBS News confirms one of the suspects is named Syed Farook, an American citizen. One of the other suspects is reportedly his brother.

RELATED LINK: Possible Suspect In San Bernardino Mass Shooting Is U.S. Citizen

According to his LinkedIn profile, Farook was a former business taxes representative for the California State Board of Equalization. He is a 2003 graduate La Sierra High School. The report also said Farook recently studied finance at California State University Fullerton until 2013.

Farook, 28, was currently an inspector for the San Bernardino County Environmental Health department and was attending the meeting/luncheon at the center. At some point, he was apparently asked to leave. It was unclear why.

The deceased female suspect has been identified as Tashfeen Malik, 27. She and Farook were married for two years.. The two had a 6-month-old baby daughter. KCAL9’s Elsa Ramon said the pair dropped the baby off to a grandparent and said they had a dentist appointment.

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said a tip led officers to a home in Redlands. He said officers were watching that house when a vehicle matching the suspect vehicle appeared nearby. Police gave chase and those suspects — reportedly clad in “assault-style gear” — drove back to the area where the original crime scene took place. An officer-involved shooting took place where the two suspects — one man and one woman — were killed.

The shooting was first reported at about 10:59 a.m. at the Inland Regional Center, 1365 South Waterman Avenue. The gunfire erupted in a conference room where the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health was holding a banquet, said Maybeth Field, president and CEO of the social services center. She said the building houses at least 25 employees as well as a library and conference center.

Authorities were still clearing the “massive facility” as of 2:15 p.m., Burguan said.

Later he said the violence might have stemmed from some kind of workplace dispute.

“We do not have any identification on who those suspects are, we do not have any motive for the shooting at this point,” said Burguan. “The only information I have at this point is they came prepared to do what they did and that they were on a mission.”

He added it’s believed the suspects — who were armed with long guns, not handguns — had fled, possibly in a dark-colored SUV.

Around 3:15 p.m. there was a report of a brief chase between law enforcement and possible suspects. Officers — about 20 in all — pointed their guns at the vehicle as it stopped not far from the crime scene.

Sky9’s Stu Mundel reported that a “man was deceased” next to the vehicle. The vehicle was riddled with bullets.

At 3:35 p.m., Mundel listened to scanner traffic and reported that “all suspects” were accounted for; by 4:30 p.m. officials said one suspect was dead and another was at large.

An officer was reported down but apparently that officer only suffered a graze wound, according to reports from the scene.

SWAT officers made a methodical search house-by-house about five blocks from where police and the suspects exchanged gunfire.

    @LAPolicePursuit Here's the #SanBernadino scanner audio of the shootout between suspects and police if interested: https://t.co/ftOMMKZsp5

    — Ditch (@radioditch) December 3, 2015

At a 5:35 p.m. news conference, officials said two suspects — one male and one female — were dead and another suspect was in custody.

A federal law enforcement official said that there were two assault weapons found in the suspects’ SUV — AR15 style rifles. There were also two pistols found in the SUV. Investigators are tracing the weapons to determine if they were legally purchased, where, when and by whom.

Officials said both of the dead suspects were dressed in tactical clothing and each had multiple magazines of ammunition attached to the military style clothing that they were wearing.

He also said during a scan of the social services center, at least one suspicious device was found. It was unclear if it was an explosive device.

During the chase, a piece of metal pipe was also thrown from the vehicle. Officials said that device did not turn out to be an explosive. A device found at the scene was being tested and analyzed by bomb techs, authorities said.

While no motive for the shooting was immediately known, FBI Asst. Director David Bowdich told reporters, “I will tell you right now, we do not know if this is a terrorist incident.”

CBS2’s Peter Daut spoke to witnesses who saw and heard the shootout between the suspects and police.

CBS2’s David Goldstein said Farook, save for some minor traffic incidents, had no criminal record.

Patients have been taken to several local hospitals, including Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, St. Bernardine Medical Center and Loma Linda University Medical Center. Uninjured workers were shuttled to a church in Colton.

President Barack Obama was briefed on the attack by his homeland security adviser, and Gov. Jerry Brown was also condemned the killings.

Brown issued the following statement: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families and everyone affected by the brutal attack. California will spare no effort in bringing these killers to justice.”

Hundreds of people with their hands raised were seen by Chopper 9 being evacuated from the building. Many were escorted to the San Bernardino Public Golf Course across the street.

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CBS2/KCAL9’s Crystal Cruz said she spoke to a man who said he received several texts from his daughter Holly, who was inside the building when the shooting began.

The first text read: “Dad shooting at my work, shot people in office. Waiting for cops to catch him. Pray for us.”

The father told Cruz he texted back to his daughter, “Hide find a good spot hide now.”

Holly texted back: “I am but we are locked in an office. Cops SWAT helicopter, everything here.”

Another woman who identified herself as Monique said she received a text from her sister Gina, who was inside the building, that read: “There’s a shoot out at my work I’m scared.”

Paul Lacroix, whose son Garrett works inside the Inland Resource Center, said he told his son to hunker down, turn his cell phone off and to not make any noise.

“It’s just not good,” Lacroix said of the situation. “It’s something that we’re starting to learn to have to live with. We just have to learn to take better stands for what we’re doing.”

On speaker phone, Garrett Lacroix said that people inside the building were shook up and were being given water bottles.

“The fire alarm went off, but then someone started shouting in the halls there was a possible bomb so we were all told to get back into our office. Eventually we saw officers with vests and automatic weapons so we retreated to our room,” Garrett Lacroix said.

Garrett said a message over the intercom later instructed them to exit with their hands in the air and nothing in them.

Mark Scroggins was waiting outside the building, waiting for word of his daughter, who works inside.

“This is crazy. There’s too many shootings. too many bad things going on out here. You hear about it, but this is insane. This is crazy,” he said.

Authorities advised all motorists to stay away from the area.

The Inland Regional Center is a sprawling three-story center serving people with developmental disabilities in San Bernardino and Riverside counties. The non-profit private agency, whose site crashed due to traffic due to news of the shooting, employs nearly 700 people and serves more than 30,000 residents with developmental disabilities for ages ranging from infants to seniors 60 years and older, according to the center’s Facebook page.

The agency had just celebrated with a holiday party the day before.

Several other local and federal agencies were also at the scene to assist San Bernardino Police in the incident.

One woman at the scene said she was not waiting on anyone inside the Inland Regional Center, but on her children at the nearby Norton Space and Aeronautics Academy, a charter school.

“I actually have kids at the school on the next block, and they’re on lockdown,” she said. “We can’t get them, they can’t come out. I tried going over there, but they won’t let me go.”

San Bernardino City Unified School District officials said all its schools and offices were placed on full lockdown, but that each campus was scheduled to dismiss student on time. Burguan said that federal and public buildings have also been locked down.

“As far as people in the area, we’re doing everything we can to keep this area safe. We are addressing other facilities in the area we think may be similar, but we don’t have any other information or any credible threats to any other facilities at this point,” Burguan said.

Authorities gave updates on the hour.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/multiple-victims-reported-shot-in-san-bernardino/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:48:49 am
Dead shooter ID'd: Devout Muslim Syed Farook
Dad: 'He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray'
Published: 6 hours ago


WASHINGTON – Syed R. Farook has been identified as one of the suspects in the San Bernardino mass shooting that ended in the deaths of 14 victims and the killing of one male and one female suspect in a gunfight with police.

Law-enforcement sources reported that Farook was the deceased male suspect, killed fleeing in a black SUV, though the identity of the dead woman initially remained unknown. Later, other law-enforcement sources denied Farook was among the deceased suspects in the SUV.

Late Wednesday evening, San Bernardino Police chief Jarrod Burguan identified the female as Tashfeen Malik, 27. Berguan said he did not know the details of the relationship between Farook and Malik.

Farook was an environmental health specialist for the San Bernardino County government.

Farook’s father told the New York Daily News his son inspected restaurants and hotels for health violations, and was married with a child.

He also identified his son as “very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”

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Farook’s brother, whose first name is not known, is also reportedly a suspect.

Farhan Khan, brother-in-law of Farook, said at a late-night news conference, “I just cannot express how sad I am for what happened today.”

“I wish speedy recovery to them (the wounded), I am in shock something like this could happen. … I have no idea why he would do something like this. I am in shock myself.”

Regarding a report about the name of a second suspect, Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times originally tweeted: “San Bernardino police released the name of a second suspect in today’s shooting as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan. Reports indicate Bin Ardogan is a 28-year-old citizen of the Middle Eastern country Qatar.”

But Serrano later deleted that tweet, and posted this follow-up: “SB police clarifying that 2nd name was not released by them. Appears now to be a hoax. We are disregarding.”

Hussam Ayloush, the executive director of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations for greater Los Angeles, said at the news conference: “We unequivocally condemn the horrific act today and we stand in solidarity with Americans.”

He added, “There is absolutely nothing that could justify” the shootings, and “we pray for the quick recovery of those who are injured.”

Gunmen killed 14 people and wounded another 17 at an office party for the county’s public health department. According to San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan, there was an altercation that prompted someone to leave in anger.

Some news outlets reported that the angry person came back with one or more armed friends to carry out the attack.

“Someone did leave, there was some type of dispute at the party but we have no idea if those are the people who came back,” Burguan said.

Farook is citizen of the United States, according to multiple reports. It’s not known if the man and woman were related or how they knew each other.

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The shooting occurred during a Christmas party being held by the San Bernardino County public health department, which had rented a room at the Inland Regional Center.

The name was used on police broadcasts as a possible suspect in the moments after the shooting.

A witness said he had left the party and returned with another person and began shooting.

At about 11:40 a.m., an officer told dispatchers a witness said a male left the building “out of the blue,” and 20 minutes later the shooting started. The witness said he matched the physical description of one of the shooters and was acting nervous before leaving.

“I haven’t heard anything. He worked in a county office,” Farook’s father told the Daily News. “He’s married and has a kid. We’re estranged because my wife got the divorce, and they are together. She doesn’t want to see me.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/dead-shooter-idd-devout-muslim-syed-farook/#rHWecJwT2YbRWLIQ.99
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 11:00:51 am
I thought it was obviously "workplace violence" with IEDs, pipe bombs, and targeted victims behind it?   Terrorists don't attack during the day!!

You're a joke at this point.  If that bans me, so be it.  I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country.  Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here.

Carling....please think about it.

It was BOTH work place violence, and Muslim terrorism.

If it was solely terrorism, then the killings wouldn't have been limited to only those inside that conference room.  Syed Farood was employed by the company holding the luncheon.

Nothing so different than a postal worker back in the 70s and 80s, "going postal".

Syed Farood went postal.

That said, should it be divulged that they screamed Allahu Akbar, like Major Nasan during his crimes....I'll reconsider my position.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 11:36:39 am
Media Races To Make San Bernardino Shooting About Planned Parenthood [VIDEO]

Posted By Blake Neff On 5:11 PM 12/02/2015 In | No Comments

Just minutes after reports emerged of a shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., members of the media quickly began to draw a dubious connection between the shooting and Planned Parenthood, even though the nearest clinic is about a mile away and there is no evidence it is involved.

In fact, Wednesday’s shooting took place at the Inland Regional Center, a facility that mainly provides services for the disabled. The three shooters remain at large and their motives are unknown.

Despite the general lack of information, members of the media and general public quickly moved to note that a Planned Parenthood exists in the general area of the shooting, thereby implying the shooting could be a copycat attack on Planned Parenthood similar to the one carried out last week in Colorado.

CNN, for instance, quickly speculated on the air that Planned Parenthood might be the target, even after acknowledging the shooting didn’t happen there.

WATCH:

    CNN trying to politicize the shooting. Reporter: Not at a Planned Parenthood facility. "Is there one nearby?" pic.twitter.com/KMThbrloXi

    — Hair (@SHannitysHair) December 2, 2015

“San Bernardino’s Planned Parenthood is about one mile south of the 1300 block of South Waterman,” mentions Marketwatch, for no clear reason. Raw Story similarly makes a throwaway mention to Planned Parenthood’s proximity. RT’s write-up mentions in its first paragraph the shooting’s location is “around the corner” from a Planned Parenthood.

Alan Colmes, a former Fox News contributor and host of the Alan Colmes Show on radio, saw fit to make an entire blog post about the Planned Parenthood’s proximity to the shooting, even though he explicitly notes the shooting didn’t happen there.

Dozens of random Twitter users and minor news sources ran with the narrative, suggesting the shooting could be a copycat attack despite the lack of any real evidence:

    #BREAKING: Shooting in San Bernadino is at or Near a Planned Parenthood Clinic – https://t.co/7Q8uBPMi0D pic.twitter.com/kcpA1mRlT2

    — Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 2, 2015

    Thought: Did #SanBernardino shooters mean to hit Planned Parenthood but hit IRC instead? I'm told it's closeby.

    — Kyle Jorrey (@KyleBJorrey) December 2, 2015

While several descriptions make it sound like the shooting location is reasonably close to a Planned Parenthood, in fact this isn’t the case at all. A quick look at a map reveals that Planned Parenthood is about a mile away, with a river, golf course, and dozens of buildings in the way:

    The purple dot is where the shooting took place. The red dot is #plannedparenthood. Let's shut up & wait for facts. pic.twitter.com/3iTau7ySUJ

    — Savannah (@thesavvy) December 2, 2015

Other users quickly expressed dissatisfaction with the media for its early framing of the incident:

    .@FoxBusiness is getting as bad as other #MSM. Mass shooting in San Bernardino, and they report it's "NEAR" a #plannedparenthood. Really???

    — Chris Marsh (@ChrisMarsh4) December 2, 2015

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 11:44:52 am

CNN Guest: San Bernardino Office Holiday Party ‘May Have Been Offensive’ to Muslim Gunman
By Curtis Houck | December 3, 2015 | 12:57 AM EST
 

Just when the liberal media’s extrapolations concerning the motives of the San Bernardino gunman couldn’t grow any more jaw-dropping, an expert appearing during the 11:00 p.m. Eastern hour of CNN Tonight predicted late Wednesday that the office holiday party where the shooting occurred “may have been offensive” to the Muslim gunman.

Criminologist Casey Jordan was called on by host Don Lemon and began by suggesting that the “[d]isgruntled employee” appeared to “have Arabic or Middle Eastern names, but the key is that from the beginning everything that was reported about him, going into this conference room where there was a holiday party which may have been offensive to him.”

Jordan further opined that “the bottomline is the motivation always appeared to be intrinsic not, extrinsic” and “he was prepared for this” because “it was almost like he was looking for an excuse to go get the guns, get the female getaway driver — you know, put on his fatigues and let it look like terrorism.”

She agreed with other guests in analyzing the situation as “a mash up” or “amalgamation” of “terrorism and disgruntled employee” and reaffirmed her belief that “his motive was very intrinsic,” “personal,” and “about a grudge and it looks like terrorism and he might like that, but it isn’t what it’s about.”

Overall, it’s been quite a day of rushing to conclusions on CNN. As this writer wrote earlier, CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes predicted in the 4:00 p.m. Eastern hour that it was likely carried out by “an anti-government domestic militia group” while fellow law enforcement analyst Harry Houck pointed out in the 7:00 p.m. Eastern hour that those responsible “could be some right-wing group, for all I know.”

The relevant portion of the transcript from CNN Tonight on December 2 can be found below.

    CNN Tonight with Don Lemon
    December 2, 2015
    11:48 p.m. Eastern

    CASEY JORDAN: Disgruntled employee. They can have Arabic or Middle Eastern names as well, but the key is that from the beginning everything that was reported about him, going into this conference room where there was a holiday party which may have been offensive to him. But the bottomline is the motivation always appeared to be intrinsic not, extrinsic. Still, he was prepared for this. He didn’t — you know, it was almost like he was looking for an excuse to go get the guns, get the female getaway driver — you know, put on his fatigues and let it look like terrorism. So, I’m in total agreement that terrorism and disgruntled employee can be a mash up. This can be an amalgamation of both, but I really do think his motive was very intrinsic. It was personal. It was about a grudge and it looks like terrorism and he might like that, but it isn’t what it’s about.

Source URL: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2015/12/03/cnn-guest-san-bernardino-office-holiday-party-may-have-been
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 11:46:39 am

New York Daily News Trashes ‘Cowards’ for Praying in Wake of CA Shooting; ‘God Isn’t Fixing This’
By Curtis Houck | December 2, 2015 | 11:31 PM EST
 

As if they didn’t have any shame already, the far-left New York Daily News tabloid gave readers on Twitter a sneak peek of its Thursday cover in which it lashed out at God-fearing people as “cowards” for praying in the wake of the San Bernardino, CA shooting when, in their minds, “God isn’t fixing this.”

Below the top headline of “14 dead in California mass shooting” and in between tweets from House Speaker Paul Ryan and Republican presidential candidates Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, and Rand Paul, the paper declared in all caps: “GOD ISN’T FIXING THIS.”

The disgraceful front-page then ended with this rant at the bottom: “As the latest batch of innocent Americans are left dying in pools of blood, cowards who could truly end gun scourge continue to hide behind meaningless platitudes.”

Of course, this paper has had a frequent habit of publishing controversial and disturbing covers (with a few just within the last year). As my colleague Tom Blumer chronicled on November 23, the covers from that day and November 18 smeared the National Rifle Association (NRA) and longtime executive Wayne LaPierre as somehow enabling Islamic jihadism.

The day after the horrifying murders of two WDBJ-TV journalists in Roanoke, Virginia on August 27, the paper hyped how the slain journalists were “executed on live TV” with three graphic pictures of on-air reporter Allison Parker being shot dead by the deranged gunman.

Moments after the Ferguson grand jury decision was announced on November 24, The New York Daily News released a mock-up cover that read: “KILLER COP GOES FREE.” Eventually, it was changed to instead read: “Michael Brown slay cop not indicted; Nation holds its breath; Prez calls for calm as Ferguson burns.”
Source URL: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2015/12/02/new-york-daily-news-trashes-cowards-praying-wake-ca-shooting-god
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 12:13:03 pm

You're a joke at this point.  If that bans me, so be it.  I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country.  Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here.

I am asking you to please stop this, Carling.  Please.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:17:19 pm
The Daily News is desperately trying to help Hillary...who had a VERY bad day today.

They're also bleeding readership. If this trend continues it won't be long before that paper is defunct.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 12:26:37 pm
They're also bleeding readership. If this trend continues it won't be long before that paper is defunct.

Hillary, the quintessential political opportunist, jumped in front of this with her gun control tripe.  Yet, the Daily News does her bidding despite existential threats slapping us in the face.  And, large portions of the left lap it up willingly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 12:32:43 pm
I am asking you to please stop this, Carling.  Please.

Why should he stop this? I'm totally enjoying it. The poster addressed by Carling has been trash talking members for weeks, if not months. He has it coming if you ask me. Maybe this will shock him into simply addressing his own position, rather than insulting other members for their positions.

This is an open forum. People can see for themselves who's being a jerk and who's not being a jerk.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 03, 2015, 12:35:15 pm
Just an additional comment now I've caught up:

Terrorists are still people (hard to believe). They still have personal animosities and personal likes - was a suicide bomber in Afghanistan that refused to go through with it (and was caught) because someone he knew and liked from childhood was in the market he was to target, for example.

So there is absolutely no conflict between it being an activated terrorist cell AND a disgruntled employee. It can quite easily be both - cell is activated and the PO'd employee sets the target to clear some personal scores at the same time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 01:13:08 pm

Do Body Armored People Wearing Masks with AK-47s Who Shoot & Kill 14 People at an Office Christmas Party Give a Damn About Common Sense Gun Laws? UPDATE

By Aaron Goldstein on 12.2.15 | 8:19PM

Within minutes of being informed of the shooting during an office Christmas party in San Bernardino, California which has claimed 14 lives, President Obama called for "common sense gun safety laws"?

Never mind that we don't know who the assailants are. Never mind that at least one of them might be still at large. Never mind that we don't know if the weapons in question were legally obtained. Does anyone honestly believe that men who are prepared to don masks, body armor storm an office Christmas party kill innocent people in cold blood give a damn about "common sense gun safety laws"? Such men are not in possession of common sense, much less decency.

President Obama can believe "this just doesn't happen" in other countries all he wants even as he said those words in Paris. Last I checked, France has more stringent gun control laws than we do. It didn't do very much for the concertgoers at the Bataclan or the staff at Charlie Hebdo. Whether it be in San Bernardino or Paris, evil respects no law.

UPDATE: Following a press conference, it has been revealed two assailants were killed following a confrontation with local police. One of those assailants was a women. A third suspect is in custody. Their identities have not been released.

 

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Source URL: http://spectator.org/blog/64835/do-body-armored-people-wearing-masks-ak-47s-who-shoot-kill-14-people-office-christmas
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 03, 2015, 01:18:21 pm
Why should he stop this? I'm totally enjoying it. The poster addressed by Carling has been trash talking members for weeks, if not months. He has it coming if you ask me. Maybe this will shock him into simply addressing his own position, rather than insulting other members for their positions.

This is an open forum. People can see for themselves who's being a jerk and who's not being a jerk.

This is a **Breaking News** thread which has been very informative with up-to-date developments.  I respectfully and politely asked a fellow member to not pollute it or distract from it in a certain manner.  I guess I must have been wrong.  Maybe we can find a way to make it about a certain Presidential candidate.

For now, I will seek my information elsewhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 01:30:53 pm

Nothing so different than a postal worker back in the 70s and 80s, "going postal".

Syed Farood went postal.

That said, should it be divulged that they screamed Allahu Akbar, like Major Nasan during his crimes....I'll reconsider my position.

Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   :thud:

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: HAPPY2BME on December 03, 2015, 01:35:36 pm
Satan is 'very religious' also, and he knows more about both the Bible and Koran than man, since he is about to spend eternity in hell.

It was 'religion' that crucified 'Christ.'

Thank God it didn't keep Him in the grave.

All hell is about to break loose.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 01:43:21 pm
Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   :thud:

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 03, 2015, 01:49:23 pm
Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence.   :thud:

 It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?

I'm not disputing it wasn't Islamic Terrorism.  Of course it was.   

I'm saying that his targets were HIS Christian co-workers and the horrific deeds were limited to them.

As EC has pointed out elsewhere, it can definitely be both terrorism and workplace violence.

Seems to me that the Christmas Tree/Party pushed him over the edge.   :shrug:

I DON'T KNOW!    (Three words that are most difficult for some people) 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 01:49:42 pm
So who are the Tragedy Vultures trying to blame this morning? The NRA, Climate Change, Ted Cruz?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 01:54:46 pm
You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

The motivation is going to determine how many of BO's Executive orders get shoved down our throats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:02:53 pm
It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 02:14:00 pm
It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank

...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.

With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 02:16:16 pm
San Bernardino struggled with hate groups before shooting
Tobias Salinger NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: 12/03/2015 7:44 AM ET



The city rocked by a mass shooting that killed 14 people Wednesday has long been a hotbed of hate and violence.

San Bernardino, Calif., struggled with a rash of hate groups and homicides amid a city bankruptcy in the years before gunmen opened fire at a county employee party at the Inland Regional Center.

Nothing was immediately known about any of the suspects and officials have noted recent drops in violent crimes after a two-year spike. But skinheads and neo-Nazis have shown pronounced influence in the area east of Los Angeles known as the Inland Empire.

The Anti-Defamation League has cited examples in both San Bernardino County and neighboring Riverside County of the Comrades of Our Race's Struggle, the Inland Empire Skinheads, the Nazi Low Riders and a splinter group called Public Enemy Number One.

Police in San Bernardino said in 2009 that they had probed murders, home invasions and drug trafficking linked to members of the Inland Empire Skinheads over a seven-year period, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Police said 14 people were killed in San Bernardino, Calif., on Wednesday when gunmen opened fire inside a social services agency building. The city had struggled with hate groups and violence long before the attack.

The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office arrested seven members of the offshoot “Hammerskin Nation” on suspicion of assault and battery on April 20 — Hitler's birthday — that year, KNBC-TV reported.

Police in Hemet in Riverside County cuffed 23 white supremacists in an investigation into attacks on cops in the area the following year, the Los Angeles Times reported. Researchers and investigators counted at least a dozen hate groups in the two counties.
The latest mass shooting in America left 12 dead after gunmen targeted a holiday banquet at the nland Regional Center in San Bernardino, Calif. Instead of offering solutions, politicians chose to offer prayers.
Daily News covers on mass shootings since Sandy Hook

“You have seen a great deal of migration to the Inland Empire and a huge demographic change,” Mark Potok, the director of SPLC’s Intelligence Project, told the newspaper at the time. “And with that change we have seen a lot of conflict.”

The area also suffered from a rise in homicides, which shot up just as San Bernardino was reeling from declaring bankruptcy in 2012, leading to a reduction in its police force. The homicide rate grew by 50% in 2012 as the number of police officers shrunk to 264 from its 2009 total of 350 officers, The New York Times reported.
Audio: Police respond to mass shooting in California
NY Daily News

“All of our crime is up, and the city has a very high crime rate per capita anyway,” Police Chief Robert Handy told the Times. “I can’t police the city with much less than this. We’re dangerously close as it is.”

Homicides ticked higher in 2014 as the San Bernardino police force’s budget reduced it to 232 officers, according to the L.A. Times. Police told the newspaper that gang members from L.A. moved into the area.
 
These days, the number of officers has grown to 312, according to the San Bernardino Police Department. The crime rate of the San Bernardino-Riverside metro area has fallen to 3,128 crimes per 100,000 residents after two straight years of increasing crime, figures from a 2015 San Bernardino County community indicators report showed.

That rate placed the area’s crime rate higher than both the California and national rates and those of Los Angeles County and the San Diego metro area, though. Gang membership in the county has fallen by 26% during the last five years, but police estimate over 13,000 gang members still live in the area.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/san-bernardino-struggled-hate-groups-shooting-article-1.2453422
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 02:20:36 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-pattern-us-mass-shootings-parallel-san/story?id=35539092

President Obama Says Pattern of US Mass Shootings Has 'No Parallel' After San Bernardino Shooting

 President Obama addressed the fatal shooting in San Bernardino, California Wednesday that left at least 14 dead, saying it continues a disturbing pattern of gun violence in America that has "no parallel."

"The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in world," Obama told CBS’ Norah O’Donnell in an interview.

Obama added that there were "steps we can take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently,” he said. “We should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these rare as opposed to normal.”

The president was briefed on the shooting earlier in the day by his Homeland Security Advisor Lisa Monaco, and is receiving regular updates as the situation develops.

continued
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 02:22:20 pm
 Terrorist Clue? – San Bernadino Shooter Weapons Identified – AK-74…
Posted on December 2, 2015   by sundance

 

Rev Bacon picks up on a very interesting detail.  THEY WERE NOT USING AR PLATFORM WEAPONS.  Note media sells AR “style” – they’re manipulating the narrative – here’s why:

Thanks to a Daily Mail Article (HERE) we find a close up picture of a spent shell casing from the San Bernadino attackers:

ak47 2

(Pic Link)  Fortunately this appears to be a specific kind of 5.45 x 39mm shell known to be fired by an AK-74, not the older AK-47.  Lots of Americans have AK-47’s, but very few have the newer, more accurate AK-74.

First, the evidence:

shell casing

The shell casing on the far right is the casing identified in the Daily Mail picture.  You can see it matches an AK-74 5.45 x 39mm shell casing (3rd from left).

While the perspective differences prevent an exact match without better equipment, it’s clear the round looks more like the one on the right than the other two.

The spent casing is clearly not an AK-47 as was reported, but it’s easy to mistake the two, especially from afar by a non-expert.  They each use the same classic Kalashnikov 30-round magazine with the big curve.

ak47

(Image and comparative link)  *NOTE* Both are illegal in the state of CA.
From Rev Bacon (via email) So Why Do We Care ?

    It’s already pretty hard to get one’s hands on one of these things. If Obama keeps beating the “too easy to get weapons” drum, he’s an idiot. Chances are, these came from overseas, illegally, and were imported by the terrorists.
    It pretty much shows that the terrorists were foreign. There are better guns- more accurate, more easy to get ammo, and easier to get in the US- than this one.
    The [San Bernadino attackers] must have trained on these, so even if they did get them here (not impossible), they did so because of their training abroad. (For example, the AR-10 is more accurate, has a longer range, and is about the same price).

So the point is, we know they were firing AK-74’s.  We know AK-74’s fire specific 5.45 x 39mm shells, and they had to have some familiarity with AK-74 training.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/02/terrorist-clue-san-bernadino-shooter-weapons-identified-ak-74-assault-rifles/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:28:39 pm
...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.

With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.

Who was from Qatar and traveled to Saudi Arabia recently. This takes it even outside domestic terrorism to international.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:30:00 pm
You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.

San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?

Quote of the day!  Spot on!  :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:37:45 pm
To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):

AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.

5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).

Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.

Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.

Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 02:39:33 pm
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 02:41:57 pm
And another rant: this isn't about finding evidence, this isn't about gathering data, this is about Gathering Excuses.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 02:42:52 pm
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

WORD..on both your posts...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 02:49:59 pm
WORD..on both your posts...

Indeed! And how sad that is!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 02:50:26 pm
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Obama added that there were "steps we can take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently,” he said. “We should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these rare as opposed to normal.”
Of course, those steps won't include looking at Muslims in this country.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 03, 2015, 02:50:27 pm
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

And we are giving them exactly what they want. We are showing ourselves weak and depraved. We are essentially helping them clear anyone who doesn't fall in line with them out of their ever growing caliphate territory (about the size of Great Britain now). We are tearing down our own civil liberties and freedoms more than going after them. And we are providing an inconsistent voice in the world stage against them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 03:02:46 pm
 San Bernardino County Residents Feared Syrian Resettlement
December 2, 2015
Daniel Greenfield
 
 
There's no official word yet on the shooters behind the massacre in San Bernardino County, but California did receive the most Syrian migrants of any state. That's a group in which significant numbers poll in support of ISIS and other terror groups. Yet the concerns of local citizens were ignored, dismissed and ridiculed.

    Some members of Redlands Townhall and the Redlands Tea Party Patriots have called on city officials to keep Syrian and African refugees from resettling here.

    They asked City Council members Tuesday what their plan will be if the city is asked to resettle some of the 85,000 refugees expected to come to the United States in 2016.

    Many of the refugees would be Syrian and others would be from strife-torn areas of Africa.

    “Where will they be housed? How will their expenses be paid and by whom? And what will be done to ensure the safety of our community? Our biggest concern is the safety of our family, our children and our grandchildren,” Victoria Hargrave of Redlands Townhall said the council on Tuesday.

    “The Obama administration would like to bring in 85,000 Syrian refugees into our country in the calendar year that just started on Oct. 1 and they have admitted that they have no database or source of information with which to vet these refugees,” she said. “There are primarily Sunni Muslims. Al-Qaida are Sunni Muslims whose culture and ideology are completely contrary to our Constitution.”

The Redlands Tea Party Patriots were denounced as bigots and their concerns were not taken seriously. Maybe it's time we started paying attention to the people whose communities will come under siege.

Whether or not this was an Islamic terror attack, it's only a matter of waiting until the next one takes place.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 03:05:00 pm
Neighbors: Muslim San Bernardino Terrorist Grew Beard, Put on Religious Clothing
And so a bunch of baffled people are confused as to why the devout Muslim started killing them.
December 3, 2015
Daniel Greenfield
 
 

If we had sensible profiling for terrorists, suddenly adopting Salafist habits would be a warning sign of "Sudden Jihad Syndrome". But we have a political leadership that insists Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.

And so a bunch of baffled people are confused as to why the devout Muslim started killing them.

    “He was quiet but always polite,” Maria Gutierrez told The News. “Maybe two years ago he became more religious. He grew a beard and started to wear religious clothing. The long shirt that’s like a dress and the cap on his head.”

So we've learned nothing from Nidal Hassan and a list of similar killers.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261001/neighbors-muslim-san-bernardino-terrorist-grew-daniel-greenfield
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 03:06:56 pm
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons.  We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.

We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 03, 2015, 03:12:36 pm
We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.

Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know.  :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 03:15:33 pm
To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):

AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.

5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).

Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.

Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.

Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.

The AK-74 uses a smaller (21.4 caliber), lighter round that has a very flat trajectory and produces low recoil from the weapon, allowing for more accurate shot placement. Although the round is far smaller than the AK-47's heavy 7.62 (30mm) standard, it does have a rather nasty feature that Afghans discovered while fighting the Russian army: the 5.45 tends to collapse on its hollow core, mushrooming outward, yawing and flattening upon impact with tissue and bone, causing terrible wound channels.

So, although its diameter is technically smaller than that of a .22LR (which causes far less severe wounds, in most cases), the AK-74 round can be pretty lethal, as we've seen, sadly. A firearms dealer once told me that it was among the best "zombie killers" he could think of, in spite of its size. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 03:17:47 pm
http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/

Muslim newlyweds slaughter co-workers who threw them a baby shower
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 03:25:43 pm
http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/

Muslim newlyweds slaughter co-workers who threw them a baby shower

Religion of peace my behind.

A radical muslim wants to kill you. A moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to kill you.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 03:26:19 pm
Gawd..Obama about to speak....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 03:31:40 pm
The AK-74 uses a smaller (21.4 caliber), lighter round that has a very flat trajectory and produces low recoil from the weapon, allowing for more accurate shot placement. Although the round is far smaller than the AK-47's heavy 7.62 (30mm) standard, it does have a rather nasty feature that Afghans discovered while fighting the Russian army: the 5.45 tends to collapse on its hollow core, mushrooming outward, yawing and flattening upon impact with tissue and bone, causing terrible wound channels.

So, although its diameter is technically smaller than that of a .22LR (which causes far less severe wounds, in most cases), the AK-74 round can be pretty lethal, as we've seen, sadly. A firearms dealer once told me that it was among the best "zombie killers" he could think of, in spite of its size.

Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: andy58-in-nh on December 03, 2015, 03:38:20 pm
Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.

Absolutely logical, correct, and historically demonstrable. But it won't stop the gun grabbers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 03:43:37 pm
Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.

The part that fascinates me is aside from all the other points, it is illegal to attack/stab/hit/shoot someone already and that does not seem to stop this stuff.
So we are going to restrict the number of times you can shoot and that will stop this?

I dunno, maybe it is my lack of education but I don't get it... :)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 03, 2015, 04:06:42 pm
<B>But skinheads and neo-Nazis have shown pronounced influence in the area east of Los Angeles known as the Inland Empire.<P>

An once again the politically bigoted hysterics pretending to be "Journalists" are discredited by their own arrogant refusal to learn a single fact that challenges their ideological bubble world dogmas.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 04:09:32 pm

But skinheads and neo-Nazis have shown pronounced influence in the area east of Los Angeles known as the Inland Empire.

Allow me to translate the liberal gobbledygook spewing from the daily news: Regular America-loving citizens who had had enough of multiculturalism and in reaction decided to push back against politically correct pipsqueaks.

Scratch a "skinhead" and find a patriot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 04:15:49 pm
Listening to Obama mumbling his message...could be work place or terrorism..... :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 04:24:24 pm
I DON'T KNOW!    (Three words that are most difficult for some people)

That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 04:27:18 pm
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

Interesting. If you find other posters to be of such low quality, (obviously you see yourself as informed and brilliant), why lower yourself to the depths of posting here?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:28:55 pm
Listening to Obama mumbling his message...could be work place or terrorism..... :whistle:
What is he calling it? Is he saying he will act if congress doesn't on guns? No way I am listening to him
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 04:30:58 pm
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

The only poster in this thread claiming to know the facts was sinkspur, and he then changed his tune once facts were revealed.  Why don't you admonish him?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 03, 2015, 04:32:20 pm
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

Actually the people who shot from the hip here without bothering to learn the most basic of facts 1st are pretty much every political Leftist and Democrat politician.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 04:32:57 pm
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).

Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).

 :smokin:

I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 04:36:26 pm
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).

Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).

 :smokin:

I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)

I prefer those that insult one at a time. I like to be addressed directly when I'm being insulted. At least it shows some sort of character to insult a person directly.

Those mealy mouthed vague shots at entire groups are done by people with very low character.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 03, 2015, 04:38:17 pm
The only poster in this thread claimming to know the facts was sinkspur, and he then changed his tune once facts were revealed.  Why don't you admonish him?

Back off. I never claimed to have definitive knowledge.  I was positing a theory just like others. 

What  is the matter with you? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 04:40:43 pm
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).

Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).

 :smokin:

I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)

Come on ac...stop stirring the pot
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:41:42 pm
Any word on the type of explosives they had?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:45:47 pm
'Devout' Muslim US citizen and his wife left their baby at home to storm back to office holiday party with automatic weapons and slaughter 14 of his colleagues before dying in bloody police shoot-out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

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In the hours after the shooting, more information emerged about Farook, who was born in the US, and Malik, whom is he thought to have met and married in Saudi Arabia two years ago.

Farook's family was originally from South Asia, while Malik was believed to be from Pakistan and had lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the United States, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Farook had an older brother, he added, who had served in the US military.

Farook graduated from California State University, San Bernardino with a degree in environmental health in 2009, according to the university's commencement document.

As BuzzFeed first reported, according to Transparent California, which publishes public employee salary information, Farook earned $51,747 plus benefits, in 2013 working as an environmental health specialist.

The gunman's father, also named Syed Farook, seemed shocked when talking to the New York Daily News in the wake of the slaughter.

“I haven’t heard anything,' the elder Mr Farook said before his son’s name became public. 'He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.' 

In an online profile reportedly created by Farook and his parents six years ago on the dating site iMilap.com, a 'one stop source for Indian matrimonial and dating services,' the health inspector described himself as 6 feet tall and said he didn't drink or smoke, according toABC News.

Farook wrote that he was part of a 'religios [sic] but modern family of 4 - 2 girls, 2 boys,' and that he enjoyed 'doing target practice with younger sister and friends' in their backyard.

He added that he enjoyed working on vintage and modern cars, and read religious books while enjoying eating out sometimes. 

He was also registered on Dubaimatrimonial.com, a dating site that is the 'first and only legal marriage service provider in UAE' (United Arab Emirates), according to the website description. In that profile, Farook described himself as being from Karachi, Pakistan, but was born in Chicago and was residing in Los Angles as an American citizen. His religion was shown as Islam.

He also shared his thoughts on living a balanced life as a Muslim-American: 'I try to live as a good Muslim. Looking for a girl who has the same outlook, wear hijab, but live the life to the fullest.'

Public records suggest possible turbulence in Farook's younger life.

In 2006, Rafia Farook, who records indicate is Farook's mother, filed in a Riverside court for divorce from her husband, the elder Mr Farook.

She enumerated multiple instances of domestic abuse in the legal filing, and said her husband 'threatens to kill himself on a daily basis.' During one incident, she said in a court filing, her son came between them 'to save me.'   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 04:49:26 pm
Interesting. If you find other posters to be of such low quality, (obviously you see yourself as informed and brilliant), why lower yourself to the depths of posting here?
That is a very big stretch to twist what I said, into what  you said.

If you want to pick a personal fight with me, you'll need to do much better than that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:53:22 pm
Any word on the type of explosives they had?
I see it may have been black power for some of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 04:56:57 pm
That is a very big stretch to twist what I said, into what  you said.

If you want to pick a personal fight with me, you'll need to do much better than that.

That's hilarious. Just to let Myst know, and keep her from pulling her hair out, this will be my last post addressing this. Your reply is just so nonsensical, I couldn't let it go, (sorry Myst).

Quote from: truth?_seeker
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 04:59:53 pm
Terrorist Clue? – San Bernadino Shooter Weapons Identified – AK-74…
Posted on December 2, 2015   by sundance

 

Rev Bacon picks up on a very interesting detail.  THEY WERE NOT USING AR PLATFORM WEAPONS.  Note media sells AR “style” – they’re manipulating the narrative – here’s why:

Thanks to a Daily Mail Article (HERE) we find a close up picture of a spent shell casing from the San Bernadino attackers:

ak47 2

(Pic Link)  Fortunately this appears to be a specific kind of 5.45 x 39mm shell known to be fired by an AK-74, not the older AK-47.  Lots of Americans have AK-47’s, but very few have the newer, more accurate AK-74.

First, the evidence:

shell casing

The shell casing on the far right is the casing identified in the Daily Mail picture.  You can see it matches an AK-74 5.45 x 39mm shell casing (3rd from left).

While the perspective differences prevent an exact match without better equipment, it’s clear the round looks more like the one on the right than the other two.

The spent casing is clearly not an AK-47 as was reported, but it’s easy to mistake the two, especially from afar by a non-expert.  They each use the same classic Kalashnikov 30-round magazine with the big curve.

ak47

(Image and comparative link)  *NOTE* Both are illegal in the state of CA.
From Rev Bacon (via email) So Why Do We Care ?

    It’s already pretty hard to get one’s hands on one of these things. If Obama keeps beating the “too easy to get weapons” drum, he’s an idiot. Chances are, these came from overseas, illegally, and were imported by the terrorists.
    It pretty much shows that the terrorists were foreign. There are better guns- more accurate, more easy to get ammo, and easier to get in the US- than this one.
    The [San Bernadino attackers] must have trained on these, so even if they did get them here (not impossible), they did so because of their training abroad. (For example, the AR-10 is more accurate, has a longer range, and is about the same price).

So the point is, we know they were firing AK-74’s.  We know AK-74’s fire specific 5.45 x 39mm shells, and they had to have some familiarity with AK-74 training.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/02/terrorist-clue-san-bernadino-shooter-weapons-identified-ak-74-assault-rifles/
that is what I want to know........the handguns S&W the AK a brand called Llama I think the DM said. I want to know where they bought those? They said the handguns bought legally nothing about the AK.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 05:04:21 pm
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am
 
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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 05:04:42 pm
Back off. I never claimed to have definitive knowledge.  I was positing a theory just like others. 

What  is the matter with you?

Bullbleep

You weren't posting a "theory."  Read your posts in this thread again.  Perhaps you have some sort of condition where you post one thing, but think you're communicating something different?

Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you in this thread.  Go to the Politics forum and answer a question I've posed to you multiple times about tax credits.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 05:09:37 pm
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am
 
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Well, I can't do that anymore... had to take up drinking... :)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 pm
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am

Just a guess on my part, but the daily onslaught is getting to us. My neighbor, a very moderate, and if anything slightly left of center guy who I completely respect said to me the other day: "I've never seen this country so 'effed up".

The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.

This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 05:10:23 pm
I had to share this rant from a friend of mine, a former state legislator:
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Warning: The following contains politically incorrect comments and logic...two things a large portion of our society are afraid of. I've been trying to take a break from ranting, but I can't
 ^-^

Soooooo, I am not "shocked" at the San Bernardino shooting like everyone else. I am not "shocked" that gun violence continues to happen in places with the strictest gun laws. I am not "shocked" that the killers were Muslim. I am not "shocked" that our media, politicians, and Liberals are blaming the gun instead of the individual or the ideology of the individual. I am not "shocked" that the media is attacking those who prayed for the victims and their families, nor am I "shocked" that they also mocked God saying He can't fix this. Let me explain further....

1. In America, the places with the strictest gun control are also the places with the most gun violence. States like California, Illinois, Maryland, and New York lead the way in gun violence and in direct correlation....Gun control. Cities like Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, Baltimore, and Memphis are Liberal Meccas (ironic use of the term Mecca as well) with the same correlation between gun control and gun violence. Nowhere in the history of man has gun control, government control, or any other "progressive" policy lead to safety or freedom....usually quite the opposite.

2. Have you ever researched Sharia Law? Have you ever researched how many Muslim Nations follow it or how many Muslims support it? Have you ever asked a Muslim about why they can follow a religion that calls for the murder of non-believers, jihad, and numerous other acts of violence? (Before you go trying to misquote the Bible, nowhere does it say for future generations to kill anyone, and the Old Testament laws only refer to those living within the Jewish community.....read Acts please)

Islam is not a religion of Peace. Mohamed was a warlord. Islam has been violently expanding its presence since its inception. The beloved Liberal response is always the Crusades....which were in response from hundreds of years of Muslim attacks from Jerusalem to Spain.

Ohhhhhh.....and to the Liberals who attack Christians for "judging" others....go say you're openly gay in the Middle East where they will kill you instead of judge you. Go be a feminist in the Middle East and see if they "oppress" you less than Christians. See what you think about multiple wives, genital mutilation, and all their other wonderful laws and traditions.....then come back and complain to a Christian about their "judging".

3. Why would God want to help us as a Nation? Since 1947, we've allowed a non-law making body to become a super-legislative branch of the government. We've allowed that same non-elected, super-legislative body to remove God from the schools, from government, and from society. We've allowed our media to bash Christians and put negative stigmas on them such as judgmental, racist, bigots, sexists, phobic of everything, etc.. We've become the silent, apathetic majority. We've become scared to speak the truth. We've denied God by not fighting for the Nation and freedoms He gave us. So.....why would He help the United States? He even turned His back on His chosen people when they betrayed Him....so how could we possibly expect to be treated any better? Just like any good father, God must punish His children when they misbehave, become prideful, become lovers of themselves, and go against His rules.

The media, government, and Liberals want God out so they can become gods....and the results will be more violence, more control, less freedom, less prosperity, and all around more evil. If you are a Christian, do not blindly or apathetically hand our Nation over into darkness.

Thank you for your time, Merry Christmas, and God bless.
I love it when he gets peeved.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 05:11:18 pm
Come on ac...stop stirring the pot

You got it. I see the pot doesn't need stirring. TBR has a self stirring pot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 03, 2015, 05:11:31 pm
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.

There are some things so blatantly obvious that once certain basic facts are known - and we knew them within a couple of hours - you don't need to play the game of political correctness to show how broad minded you are. At that point you are either playing politics or being willfully stupid (I do not mean you, I mean our elected officials and those they hire).  You don't have to know everything to know enough, this splitting of hairs is destructive insanity and will cause more deaths, many more.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 05:11:56 pm
Bullbleep

You weren't posting a "theory."  Read your posts in this thread again.  Perhaps you have some sort of condition where you post one thing, but think you're communicating something different?

Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you in this thread.  Go to the Politics forum and answer a question I've posed to you multiple times about tax credits.
LOL.............he still hasn't answered that one yet? Sinkspur to the white courtesy phone please. Come on sink answer that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 05:14:50 pm
Just a guess on my part, but the daily onslaught is getting to us. My neighbor, a very moderate, and if anything slightly left of center guy who I completely respect said to me the other day: "I've never seen this country so 'effed up".

The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.

This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
Spot on!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 05:20:52 pm
Quote
The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.

This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
True. But let's still try to rise above it. We have to hang together, folks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 05:21:41 pm
San Bernardino shooting "possibly" terrorist related, Obama says

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-bernardino-shooting-possibly-terrorist-related-obama-says/

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Yeah he doesn't know yet.  Riiiiiight.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 05:25:20 pm
San Bernardino Shooting: Syed Farook And Tashfeen Malik Had ‘IED Factory’ In Their Home

http://www.inquisitr.com/2606621/san-bernardino-shooting-syed-farook-and-tashfeen-malik-had-ied-factory-in-their-home/

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San Bernardino shooters Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik have been married for about two years, according to relatives. Farook recently returned from a trip to the Middle East and reportedly spent about one month in Saudi Arabia. The Redlands home shared by Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook has been deemed an “IED factory” or “IED facility” by some law enforcement sources.

Syed Farook, 28, has been described as a devout Muslim who began growing a beard over the course of the last year. The couple had a 6-month-old daughter, WYFF 4 News reports.

Before going to the Christmas party at the Inland Regional Center, a gun-free zone, Farook and Malik took their baby girl to the home of the county employee’s mother. If emerging news reports are accurate, Syed and Tashfeen lied to his mother and said that they had to go to a doctor’s appointment that day and needed her to babysit. The grandmother reportedly became concerned after seeing news reports about the San Bernardino shooting on television and was unable to reach Farook.

    Attackers in SB mass shooting ID’d as Syed Farook, 28, seen here, and Tashfeen Malik, 27 https://t.co/lVEQvoxZjd pic.twitter.com/EpF9zWBJ3u

    — NBC Los Angeles (@NBCLA) December 3, 2015

Tashfeen Malik, 27, was a pharmacist and met Farook on an international dating website. Little is currently known about the woman Syed suddenly announced was his wife after returning from a trip to Saudi Arabia, Fox News reports. No photos of the female San Bernardino shooter have yet been found on social media or released to the public by the FBI or the joint terrorism task force now heavily involved in the mass shooting investigation.

    SYED FAROOK is ID’d as “suspect” in #SanBernadinoShooting pic.twitter.com/eB5AojHw9U

    — Rebecca Diserio (@rebeccadiserio) December 3, 2015

Syed Rizwan Farook appears to have worked as an environmental inspector for the California county for five years. In 2003, Farook reportedly earned a $53,000 taxpayer-funded salary. He graduated from California State University San Bernardino with an environmental health degree in 2009.

Neighbors of Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook told the media that in recent weeks there was a flurry of activity at their home. According to the witnesses, a multitude of Middle Eastern individuals had been seen coming and going at all hours, and a vast amount of packages had been delivered to the home. At least one neighbor said fear of being labeled a racist or Islamophobic prevented a phone call to the police to report the unusual activity.

    #SyedFarook identified as possible suspect #SanBernadinoShooting pic.twitter.com/G3zWrPsbbK

    — dog_star_ (@dog_star_) December 3, 2015

Pipe bombs found after the shooting did reportedly contain explosives, indicating to the FBI and the joint terrorism task force that Farook and Malik were not done with their killing spree. An RC car controller is believed to have been converted for use as a pipe bomb ignition switch. Either the bombs failed or the shooters were too far out of range to activate.

    Live video of press conference by #SanBernadino police. https://t.co/B0O6dgTUBq

    — Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) December 2, 2015

“They came prepared to do what they did, as if they were on a mission,” San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said.

Inside the black SUV, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik had “rollout bags” containing more bombs and additional ammunition. Each of the San Bernardino shooters wore a GoPro camera during the shooting. Whether or not any footage from the camera was sent to another individual or sleeper cell member for future publication remains unknown.

    If 1 muslim is pissed off about work how in the hell does he so easily get 2 more to help him kill people? #CAIRlies https://t.co/o1CD7W9xSQ

    — Bic Yea (@BicYea50) December 3, 2015

The gunman is said to have left the Christmas party at the Inland Regional Center abruptly. Some witnesses said that he had some type of dispute with another person at the gathering, others say they did not realize he was gone until it was time for a group photo and he was nowhere around.

Farook has no record of criminal activity, he purchased the handgun used in the crime legally, and the AR-15 semi-automatic rifles used in the San Bernardino shooting were also purchased legally by an unidentified person. There is no indication that Syed’s job was in any type of jeopardy or that an ongoing problem existed with his employer. The shooter was described as a quiet and polite man who kept to himself at work.

Do you think Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were part of a sleeper cell or committing an ISIS terror attack?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 05:27:22 pm
True. But let's still try to rise above it. We have to hang together, folks.

The problem is, we all have our ideas on what is our only chance. Whether it be Cruz, Trump, Rubio or whomever. The situation we're in as a nation, makes the choice seem dire.

In reality, I don't think we have much voice. That card has already been played.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 05:31:54 pm
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d4ecfdc30894249bc417bfa998889da/latest-guns-used-california-shooting-bought-legally

The Latest: Obama orders flags at half-staff after shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 05:32:04 pm
Dear Obama:
Quote
Rudy Giuliani: If You Can’t See This Was an Act of Terror “You’re a Moron” (VIDEO)
Jim Hoft Dec 3rd, 2015 9:21 am
Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/rudy-giuliani-if-you-cant-see-this-was-an-act-of-terror-youre-a-moron-video/)

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani went on America’s Newsroom this morning to discuss the San Bernardino terrorist attacks. Giuliani went on FOX News after Attorney General Loretta Lynch spoke to reporters about the San Bernardino massacre.
Quote
“You can come to one clear conclusion with the information they have right now. This is an act of terror. The question was motivation… The question here is not, is it an act of terror. We’re beyond that. When you got two assault weapons, two handguns, you’re in body armor, you got a home that’s boobytrapped. You’ve been practicing to do this… If you can’t come to a conclusion at this point that this was an act of terror, you should find something else to do for a living besides law enforcement. I mean, you’re a moron.”
...
More at link (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/rudy-giuliani-if-you-cant-see-this-was-an-act-of-terror-youre-a-moron-video/)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 05:35:17 pm
December 03, 2015, 11:38 am
Obama: It's 'possible' San Bernardino shooting was related to terrorism

By Jordan Fabian

President Obama said Wednesday’s mass shooting in Southern California is possibly related to terrorism, but authorities still are not sure of the reason behind the attack.
 
“At this stage we do not yet know why this terrible event occurred,” he said Thursday in a rare statement from the Oval Office. “It is possible this was terrorist related but we don't know. It’s also possible this was workplace related.”
 
Obama said federal investigators will get to the bottom of yesterday’s shooting, but cautioned against rushing to judgment about the shooters’ motives.
 
“We are going to be vigilant as we always are in getting the facts before we issue any decisive judgments on how this occurred,” he said.
 
Wednesday’s attack in San Bernardino, Calif., killed 14 people, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the U.S. since the 2012 massacre that left 28 dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
 
Two suspects in the shooting were a married couple with a baby.
 
American-born Syed Farook, 28, met Tashfeen Malik, 27, online. Co-workers told the Los Angeles Times Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia recently and returned with his new wife.
 
Their Muslim backgrounds have prompted fears that the incident was tied to radical Islamic terrorism.
 
Farook was reportedly attending a holiday party at the Inland Regional Center, where the shooting took place, causing others to believe it was a workplace dispute.
 
“There may be mixed motives involved in this, which makes the investigation more complicated,” Obama said.

Obama was flanked by Vice President Biden and members of his national security team after receiving a briefing on the shooting.

The president ordered flags at the White House and on all public buildings to be flown at half staff “as a mark of respect for the victims,” the White House said Thursday.
Noting that the two suspects were carrying guns and had other heavy weaponry at their home, the president reiterated his call for lawmakers to pass tougher gun laws.
 
“More broadly, we see the prevalence of mass shootings, and I think so many Americans sometimes feel as if there is nothing we can do about it,” he sad.
 
He praised law enforcement for their response to violent incidents, but said “we can't just leave it to our professionals to deal with the problem of these kinds of horrible killings. We all have a part to play.”
 
Obama said lawmakers at the state and federal level must "see what we can do” to make it harder to buy guns.
 
“Because right now it’s just too easy," he said. “We are going to have to search ourselves as society to take basic steps to make it harder, not impossible but harder, for some people to get access to weapons.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 05:45:44 pm

From obamas minions at Cnn.

Officials: San Bernardino shooter apparently radicalized, in touch with terror subjects

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San Bernardino, California (CNN)Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people on Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Still, it wasn't necessarily the only driver behind the carnage as workplace grievances may have also played a role. President Barack Obama hinted as much Thursday when he said that the attackers may have had "mixed motives."

Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime, which didn't raise red flags, said two government officials. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

Officials had previously said that neither Farook and Malik were known to the FBI or on a list of potentially radicalized people. Nor had they had any known interactions with police until Wednesday's deadly shootout that culminated in their deaths.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 05:50:35 pm
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d4ecfdc30894249bc417bfa998889da/latest-guns-used-california-shooting-bought-legally

The Latest: Obama orders flags at half-staff after shooting

So very kind of him!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GAJohnnie on December 03, 2015, 05:51:17 pm
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killed
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2015, 05:59:57 pm
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killed
Maybe the wife had her own workplace at which she wanted to commit some violence.  :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 06:03:07 pm
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killed
Yeah bammy.....we don't know if it was a terrorist attack.  :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 06:07:22 pm
Thank goodness they we not able to activate those pipe bombs.  this couple had Utah plates on that Ford SUV. You would think they would have changed those before hand? I guess they went to his work then went home then left to go continue the spree? I bet they didn't figure out police would show up so fast because they were right next to the site with training exercises that day.

Cnn kept on saying last night they were not smart because they didn't leave the area right away. Clueless....they didn't want to leave you smucks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 06:11:38 pm
They aren't realising the name of the owner of the AK's. So must be harmful to regime agenda.

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Two of the guns recovered were bought by one of the suspects killed in the shootout, and the other two were bought by a third person who is not considered a suspect, said a senior federal law enforcement official, who was spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We believe all four were purchased legally, but are still taking a close look at the two firearms bought by the” person who is not a suspect, the official said.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed that it had traced all four guns, and that two were purchased legally by someone linked to the investigation. But neither the senior official nor the bureau would identify either buyer by name, nor say which two weapons were bought by a suspect, or where they were bought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 06:14:47 pm
Yeah bammy.....we don't know if it was a terrorist attack.  :smokin:

And we have absolutely NO reason to profile young Middle Eastern males! /s
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 06:16:41 pm
Wait a minute.....what if those two other guns are linked to Fast n Furious?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 06:39:27 pm
Maybe the wife had her own workplace at which she wanted to commit some violence.  :thud:

What do you think the wife will say when they are in paradise and her husband is fooling around with 72 virgins?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 06:41:28 pm
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/#ixzz3tHhvE6Jh

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 06:47:12 pm
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/Coggeshall1955/DAC-2015-12-03_zpsus2ookpw.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 06:53:04 pm
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/#ixzz3tHhvE6Jh
Of course this was a ISis attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Sanguine on December 03, 2015, 07:08:21 pm
Quote
....Farook described himself as being from Karachi, Pakistan, but was born in Chicago and was residing in Los Angles as an American citizen....

Pretty interesting wording.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 07:16:34 pm
did anyone here watch the presser? Did the police chief say they didn't have GoPro cameras?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 07:57:58 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)

Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 08:04:10 pm
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/radicalized-sources-tell-cnn-that-farook-was-in-touch-with-more-than-one-international-terror-suspect/

“Radicalized”: Sources tell CNN that Farook was in touch with more than one international terror suspect
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2015, 08:06:53 pm
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/abcs-brian-ross-on-san-bernardino-this-looks-like-a-hybrid-workplace-jihad/

ABC’s Brian Ross on San Bernardino: This looks like a “hybrid workplace jihad”
posted at 11:21 am on December 3, 2015 by Allahpundit

   

“Workplace jihad,” huh? That’s an … interesting term. And a step up for this guy. Remember, his first instinct after a mass shooting is to start checking tea-party membership rosters.

I think I see what he’s getting at, though. Maybe Farook is a jihadi who simply chose his own place of business as a soft target. He knew the layout of the building and he knew what sort of security he could expect there. Fox News ran a report late last night suggesting that he may have been at the Christmas party simply to case the place and make sure there’d be no surprises for him once he and his wife started shooting. The alternative, that this is a going-postal workplace rampage by a disgruntled worker who just happens to be a devout Muslim, is increasingly hard to believe. Workplace rampages typically don’t see multiple shooters; if Farook was angry at his boss or the department at large, why was his wife armed to the teeth too? Workplace rampages typically involve shooting and nothing but shooting, but Farook and his wife were stocked up with pipe bombs. A lot of them, too — cops reportedly found a “rollout bag” containing multiple devices in the SUV, raising the ominous question of what Farook was planning to do with those if the plan wasn’t to set all of them off at work. The fact that they were wearing GoPro cameras on their body armor also suggests more of a political motive, to create jihadi propaganda, than a workplace rampage. (But not necessarily. Remember Vester Flanagan?) Although that raises another question: When and how was Farook planning to publish that video?

Maybe the best evidence, though, that this was motivated by a cause rather than a personal grievance is this creepy but otherwise seemingly minor detail:

continued
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 03, 2015, 08:08:08 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)

Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."

That settles it. Just another case of workplace violence.
Can we get some more gun laws?!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 08:15:56 pm
Wait a minute.....what if those two other guns are linked to Fast n Furious?

Bingo!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 03, 2015, 08:17:19 pm
Pretty interesting wording.

You beat me to it.  It is "interesting"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 08:18:32 pm
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/radicalized-sources-tell-cnn-that-farook-was-in-touch-with-more-than-one-international-terror-suspect/

“Radicalized”: Sources tell CNN that Farook was in touch with more than one international terror suspect
If I remember correctly yesterday from the scanner feed they were asking about a friend of his and said authorities where inquiring about a person last week.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 08:27:31 pm
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 08:27:55 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed

excerpt:

CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.

As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)

Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.

Found in the suspects' home:

    2,500 .223 rounds
    2,000 9mm rounds
    12 pipe bombs

Found in the black SUV:

    1,400 .223 rounds
    200 9mm rounds

The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."

Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 08:29:37 pm
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
good theory.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 08:31:05 pm
Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?

About $100 for 500 rds
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 08:36:03 pm
About $100 for 500 rds
So about 1200 dollars. Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 08:36:12 pm
About $100 for 500 rds

A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 08:41:26 pm
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.

Agreed, that is a likely scenario. The grunts may be stupid religious fanatics but senior management is anything but. Those are ruthless political insurgents on a career path to power in their new caliphate.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 08:49:28 pm
A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: massadvj on December 03, 2015, 09:12:09 pm
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.

My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death.  I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.

If so, why hit a target where they would so easily be able to identify the perp?  Wouldn't it make more sense to hit a random target on a "hit and run" basis?  On the other hand, the fact that they had so many weapons in reserve does suggest they were planning more than this one hit. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 09:12:19 pm
Quote
Farook lived in a Redlands, California apartment with his mother, Malik, and their 6-month-old daughter, who was left in the grandmother's care before the attack.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters

So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 09:14:41 pm
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters)

So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.

Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 09:16:27 pm
Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..
Yep.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 03, 2015, 09:28:17 pm
Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know.  :patriot:
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 09:33:00 pm
Quote
The pair seemed to be using blueprints found in many issues of Inspire, Al Qaeda's extremist online publication in the Arabian Peninsula.

The magazine in the past has outlined how to make the bomb from household goods and without using metal components. Articles have also encouraged lone-wolf attacks on the American 'super-rich' and published a 'kill list' of potential targets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345021/Twelve-pipe-bombs-4-500-bullets-tools-making-explosives-police-home-San-Bernardino-suspects-design-bomb-used-Boston-bombers.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Paladin on December 03, 2015, 09:35:09 pm
If you leave this thread for such mundane activities as eating and sleeping, it takes a while to catch up. That said I want to thank everyone on here who has contributed to this discussion with facts, news stories, and even speculations. It has proved most informative and thought provoking.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 09:37:59 pm
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?

Depending on when and where it was purchased 6K should easily cover it. The ammo is common and there is nothing high end about the firearms
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 03, 2015, 09:43:09 pm
Depending on when and where it was purchased 6K should easily cover it. The ammo is common and there is nothing high end about the firearms
Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 03, 2015, 09:44:13 pm
out of curiosity I checked some prices real quick. 4K for the ammo and firearms would cover it today but the ar prices have fallen significantly lately so if they were purchased a couple years ago  could be another 1K or so
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 09:45:18 pm
If you leave this thread for such mundane activities as eating and sleeping, it takes a while to catch up. That said I want to thank everyone on here who has contributed to this discussion with facts, news stories, and even speculations. It has proved most informative and thought provoking.

Wait till you see the gerbil races coming up. Whoopee, we're talking fun.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 03, 2015, 09:53:16 pm
Wait till you see the gerbil races coming up. Whoopee, we're talking fun.

AC, I don't remember seeing Mistery give Paladin permission to eat or sleep, do you?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 03, 2015, 09:59:43 pm
AC, I don't remember seeing Mistery give Paladin permission to eat or sleep, do you?

myst is a tough task master but even she eats and sleeps (at least I think she does?)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 09:59:55 pm
did anyone here watch the presser? Did the police chief say they didn't have GoPro cameras?
Yes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:07:10 pm
White House: Obama Thinks Gun Control Will Deter Terrorists

02:26 PM, Dec 03, 2015 | By Daniel Halper

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that President Obama thinks that gun control would help deter terrorists. Earnest made the comments today at the White House's daily press briefing.

Peter Doocy: "President Obama yesterday jumped to say that this mass shooting means it's time for commonsense gun laws. Does the President really think that common sense gun laws would deter terrorists now that he has admitted that these two may have been terrorists?"
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White House press secretary Josh Earnest: "Yes. The president believes that passing common sense gun laws that makes it harder for people with bad intentions to get guns, makes the country safer."

Peter Doocy: "But so the president thinks that when there are potentially two terrorists sitting around planning a mass murder they may call it off because President Obama has put in place common sense gun laws?"

Earnest: "Well Peter, we're still learning of the precise motives of the individuals who carried out this heinous act of violence yesterday. One thing we do know, is the four fire arms they were wielding we're legally purchased under the laws in place now. That's a fact. So, that might lead some to conclude that we should have made it a little harder for them. Would that have changed the entire outcome? We're still investigating the situation but I guess the question is, why wouldn't we? Why wouldn't we make it harder for them? What's the explanation for that?"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/white-house-obama-thinks-gun-control-will-deter-terrorists/article/2000061
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:08:40 pm
Just a couple simple questions.  Does Obama also think gun control would deter the mafia? :whistle:  How about black panthers? :whistle: How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 10:09:44 pm
I wish just one of those reporters would ask Earnest why Obama approved giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, yet is so vehement about making it more difficult for American citizens to get guns.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 03, 2015, 10:11:29 pm
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.
Most of our fine service people risking their lives and limbs for this country, are your generation.

Close to home for my family are a niece and her husband, who both served multiple deployments overseas.

A real estate client of mine served as an Army medic, and now serves as a combined firefighter/EMT.

All three are now civilians. And so forth.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:13:40 pm
 
Thursday, 03 December 2015
San Bernardino Victims Defenseless in “Gun-free Zone"
Written by  Bob Adelmann

 

San Bernardino Victims Defenseless in “Gun-free Zone&quot;

The Inland Regional Center (shown) in San Bernardino, California, the site of the massacre of innocents by a husband and wife on Wednesday, is a gun-free zone. This guaranteed that Syed Farook and his new wife, Tashfeen Malik, would face no resistance when they shot up the holiday luncheon celebration sponsored by the San Bernardino County Health Department.

According to observers, this was a carefully planned attack. Farook attended the celebration with people he had known for five years as a health technician responsible for inspecting restaurants and pools. During the celebration there apparently erupted a disagreement sufficient to cause Farook to leave in such a rush that he left his coat behind, returning 30 minutes later with his wife, dressed in tactical clothing and carrying semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and a quantity of magazines.

Over the next ten minutes, 31 people were shot and 14 of them were killed. By the time police arrived (in an estimated four minutes after they received the first terrified 911 call), Farook and his wife had left the building. It took police another three hours to hunt them down and kill them in a firefight involving more than 20 officers.
 
Police said it would take a “long time” to complete their investigation into the matter: Farook’s background, recent activities, his flight to Saudi Arabia earlier this year to retrieve his wife whom he met on the Internet, his religious affiliations, and, finally, his motive.

Some of those questions already have answers as this is being written: Farook was a devout Muslim, according to his father, leaving work several times a day to attend prayers at a local mosque. He and his wife had a six-month old child whom they dropped at relatives for the morning, claiming that one of them had a doctor’s appointment.

President Obama was uncertain whether the shooting was a terrorist attack, but he apparently knew the cause: the easy availability of firearms. And his solution: tighter background checks along with closing another “loophole,” i.e., the one that allows “suspects” on the CIA’s “no-fly” list to buy firearms. The fact that background checks would be an infringement of rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment and would have failed to pick up Farook as he maintained a low profile, or that restricting “suspects” on the “no-fly” list would be illegal without proper Constitutional authority, never entered the president’s conversation. It wouldn’t have impacted Farook as he wasn’t even on the no-fly list when he flew to Saudi Arabia to pick up his new wife.

Farook flew under the radar for the five years while working for the health department, leaving no clues of his murderous intentions. Said Griselda Reisinger, who worked with Farook, “He never struck me as a fanatic. He never struck me as suspicious.”

Only after the fact did those intentions become obvious, concluded a former CIA operative, Robert Baer. The attack on Wednesday “has the hallmarks of what we’ve seen in the Middle East” and was conducted with “a skill you don’t see unless people have had preparation and training.” This was confirmed by San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan: “They came prepared to do what they did, as if they were on a mission.”

Nowhere was the question asked, How could the victims have defended themselves? The couple was able to pass background checks when purchasing their weapons, so those checks were worthless.

And the rules for law-abiding citizens to obtain a concealed carry permit in San Bernardino are so onerous as to essentially make obtaining one impossible. The city has instituted a “may issue” rule for the county sheriff, rather than “shall issue,” giving him the freedom to decline issue without comment. An applicant must subject himself to a personal interview, and he or she is only allowed to list three firearms on a permit that must be renewed every two years.

The fees are stout: $254 for fingerprinting, administrative work, and a background check, plus another $100 for the mandatory firearms training course before the permit can be issued. The fees are more than the cost of an inexpensive handgun.

So, thanks to local politicians, innocents who otherwise might have been able to defend themselves died needlessly in the attack.

In an astonishing admission that the “gun-free” mindset that so enamors liberal politicians might be wrong after all, USAToday allowed a most reasonable letter from the publisher of The Truth About Guns blog to be printed. Wrote Robert Farago:

What would [more gun control laws] have done to prevent the slaughter? What would any gun control law do to prevent people from enacting their homicidal plans?... As the French terrorist attacks proved, gun control doesn’t work. Worse, civilian disarmament leaves innocent people defenseless against killers. Gun control enables — rather than prevents — homicide.

Politicians who have decreed that the couple’s victims would be defenseless are at least partly responsible for Wednesday’s grisly results.

 Photo of police cars outside the Inland Regional Center: AP Images

A graduate of an Ivy League school and a former investment advisor, Bob is a regular contributor to The New American magazine and blogs frequently at www.LightFromTheRight.com, primarily on economics and politics. He can be reached at badelmann@thenewamerican.com.
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/22074-san-bernardino-victims-defenseless-in-gun-free-zone?tmpl=component&print=1
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 03, 2015, 10:24:30 pm
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.

Got two working not 25 feet from me right now. Oddly, one is in your line of work.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 03, 2015, 10:24:58 pm

Obama says it’s possible shooting was ‘workplace related’ . . . Giuliani: ‘you’re a moron’
December 3, 2015 | Tom Tillison | 10 comments | Print Article
 

President Obama said it’s too early to tell whether Wednesday’s shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., was “terrorist-related,” insisting that it’s “possible” that it was workplace related violence.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani thinks it’s possible only a “moron” would come up with such a conclusion.

“If you can’t come to a conclusion at this point that this was an act of terror … you’re a moron,” he said early Thursday in an appearance on Fox News.

Keep in mind, the Muslim couple responsible for the attack that killed up to 14 people, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles when they opened fire at a county health department office party at the Inland Regional Center.

And were wearing GoPro cameras when they were killed.

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/12/03/obama-says-its-possible-shooting-was-workplace-related-giuliani-youre-a-moron-280738#ixzz3tIc4xYkj
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 03, 2015, 10:32:18 pm
Judging by what I was reading here last night one or two of our own here on TBR needed a cattle prod to convince them it was a terrorist act, and not workplace violence. The evidence is overwhelming that it was a planned terrorist attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 03, 2015, 10:35:50 pm
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k?  so about 6k for the weapons?

I was talking about the ammo but the four guns they had with them could be worth something like that number as well. probably somewhat less than that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Puss-N-Boots on December 03, 2015, 10:44:16 pm
It was a terrorist act that just happened to occur at the perp's workplace.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 11:28:48 pm
It was a terrorist act that just happened to occur at the perp's workplace.

It actually wasn't at the workplace, though.  It was off-site in a rented conference room.  At least that's the last I heard about the location.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Puss-N-Boots on December 03, 2015, 11:37:27 pm
Technically.  Since it was a workplace function, the workplace traveled with them to the conference room.  That's what I meant.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 03, 2015, 11:50:34 pm
Technically.  Since it was a workplace function, the workplace traveled with them to the conference room.  That's what I meant.

Got it.  My guess is he knew he'd have some sitting Ducks and he probably scouted out the security of the building after the site was announced as he was planning the attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 04, 2015, 12:15:55 am
I wish just one of those reporters would ask Earnest why Obama approved giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, yet is so vehement about making it more difficult for American citizens to get guns.

I think I finally settled on a position regarding Obama. All three apply. Choose any order, any combination (whatever makes sense to you): Obama is rigidly ideological, actively working against America and incompetent on top of all that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 04, 2015, 12:18:25 am

...oh, oh, one more: party animal.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 04, 2015, 12:22:16 am
I think I finally settled on a position regarding Obama. All three apply. Choose any order, any combination (whatever makes sense to you): Obama is rigidly ideological, actively working against America and incompetent on top of all that.

I agree with the first two but not the last. He has been more successful in undermining America than even he would have dared imagine in 2008.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 04, 2015, 12:22:57 am
Obama says it’s possible shooting was ‘workplace related’ . . . Giuliani: ‘you’re a moron’
December 3, 2015 | Tom Tillison | 10 comments | Print Article
 

President Obama said it’s too early to tell whether Wednesday’s shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., was “terrorist-related,” insisting that it’s “possible” that it was workplace related violence.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani thinks it’s possible only a “moron” would come up with such a conclusion.

“If you can’t come to a conclusion at this point that this was an act of terror … you’re a moron,” he said early Thursday in an appearance on Fox News.

Keep in mind, the Muslim couple responsible for the attack that killed up to 14 people, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles when they opened fire at a county health department office party at the Inland Regional Center.

And were wearing GoPro cameras when they were killed.

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/12/03/obama-says-its-possible-shooting-was-workplace-related-giuliani-youre-a-moron-280738#ixzz3tIc4xYkj

I'm surprised Obama didn't make the connection (maybe I shouldn't give him any ideas) that the terrorist 'planned' the shooting and he was a 'parent' therefore Planned Parenthood.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: 240B on December 04, 2015, 12:35:11 am
Two things, have to  go. I'm still at work.

This blows up the whole nice Muslims meme. As in,  I know a Muslim and he's really nice. All accounts are that this guy was a nice guy, until the day he decided to kill everyone.

And, if this is workplace violence, then why was his home a bomb making factory?  Gatta go
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Charlespg on December 04, 2015, 01:07:35 am
Just a couple simple questions.  Does Obama also think gun control would deter the mafia? :whistle:  How about black panthers? :whistle: How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:
  as I commented on the Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

Mortars .full auto AK's semtex ,ect  its  here squirreled  away in the local mosque someplace  ...we have had wide open borders for decades
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 01:32:25 am
How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:

He and Holder literally gave guns to the Mexican drug cartels.  I've emailed conservative media voices to use this line, but I haven't heard it yet.

"Obama's ATF gave guns to Mexican drug cartels, one of which ended up murdering border agent Brian Terry, yet he's trying to take them away from American citizens.  It's time we ask whose side Obama is on, because this goes far beyond incompetency."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 04, 2015, 12:11:17 pm
Radicalized US Muslim was teased by colleagues about his Islamic beard and had clashed with Jewish co-worker over religion before he and Pakistani wife killed 14 at San Bernardino holiday party

    Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a gun battle with police after a mass shooting
    Police said 14 died and 21 were injured after suspects opened fire at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino 
    Suspects left explosive devices rigged to a remote-controlled toy car at the center before fleeing in an SUV
    While the motive for the massacre remains unclear, Farook reportedly clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion
    Farook got into a heated argument with Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of the victims
    But lawyers for the Farook family said he was subjected to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance
    David Chesley, attorney acting for Farook's family, questioned accounts of massacre and whether information released by police and FBI was accurate
    He made bizarre reference to Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described
    Chesley said of Malik: 'It doesn't seem plausible that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario'
    It emerged that Farook brought his wife to the US on a 90-day K-1 fiancee visa and that she passed counterterrorism screening as part of her vetting
    Farook's older brother, Syed Raheel Farook, is a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror
    Their mother Rafia, 62, was held for questioning in the wake of the mass shooting after cops pulled her over in one of her other son's SUVs and she was released without charge the next day
    Police and federal agents searched a Redlands home, seizing 5,000 bullets, 12 pipe bombs and tools to make IEDs
    Investigators said Farook was in touch by phone and via social media with international terrorism subjects   

By Ben Ashford and Ruth Styles In San Bernardino For Dailymail.com and Khaleda Rahman and Snejana Farberov and Mia De Graaf For Dailymail.com

Published: 07:57 EST, 3 December 2015 | Updated: 06:41 EST, 4 December 2015

 

The family of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook told FBI investigators that he had been teased by colleagues about his long Islamic beard hours after it emerged that he had also clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion weeks before he and his wife killed 14 at a holiday party.

While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear, lawyers for the Farook family said the gunman had been subject to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance.

However, they added that the slain health inspector had ‘brushed off’ the remarks and they remained at a loss to explain why he mercilessly gunned down 14 people, the majority his former co-workers, on Wednesday.

Their comments came hours after it emerged that Farook had recently gotten into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of his victims.
 

Mr Thalasinos – worked alongside Farook as a county restaurant inspector and the pair are said to have regularly discussed politics and religion.

Colleague Kuuleme Stephen said she had called Thalasinos while he was at work when he was having a heated discussion with Farook.

Mr Thalasinos had identified Farook by name and told her the 28-year-old believed Islam was a peaceful religion. She added that Farook said that Americans do not understand Islam.

Mr Thalasinos was known to be passionate about pro-Israel causes and regularly ranted about Islam on Facebook.

On September 11th, 2013, alongside a photo of a shirtless victim plummeting to his death from the burning World Trade Center, Mr Thalasinos posted: 'On behalf of this guy… You can stick your Million Muslim March up your asses'.
 
In one of his final status updates on Tuesday, Mr Thalasinos responded to an anti-Semitic tirade allegedly penned by an apparent Muslim living in Ukraine, who railed against Jews and Israel.

‘Anyway my new hobby appears to be BLOCKING PAGAN ANTISEMITIC TROGLODYTES so I'm just passing this along to warn others,’ was Thalasinos' reply.

He was back online early on Wednesday morning sharing articles about Russian President Vladimir Putin and posting a negative comment about President Obama.

Again, it is unclear if the dispute played a part in the massacre.

David Chesley, an attorney acting for Farook's family, today questioned accounts of the shootings and whether information released by the police and FBI was accurate.

To illustrate his point, he made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described in the official narrative.

'There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,' he said.

'But it doesn't seem plausible to us that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario.

'There was a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not.

'But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don't know.'

Asked if he doubted if the Dec 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, which claimed 26 lives, took place, Mr Chesley added: 'There has been a lot speculation about it is all I would say.

'There's a lot of people that said it happened but hasn't happened in the way that it was purported to have taken place.
 
 
'There's no question that incidents have taken place and evidence was found but we just question some of that.'

The family’s lawyers also revealed for the first time that Farook's mother Rafia, 62, was held for questioning in the wake of the mass shooting after cops pulled her over in one of her other son's SUVs.

She was released without charge the next day but the vehicle is still in the hands of law enforcement officials, they said. The Farook family, including his father Syed, 66, older brother Syed Raheel, and sisters Eba, 24, Saira, 32, and her husband Farhan Khan, 41, spent several hours talking to FBI agents on Thursday.

Speaking outside Mr Khan's house late last night, attorney Chesley insisted that Farook's relatives had no idea he was plotting a massacre or stockpiling weapons with his wife Tashfeen Malik, 27.

FBI agents discovered a huge arsenal – including nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition, a dozen pipe bombs and hundreds of tools for making IEDs at the couple’s home.

It also emerged that Farook was in touch by phone and through social media with more than one international terrorism subject. Meanwhile, Farook's older brother, Syed Raheel Farook, was revealed a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror

But Mr Chesley said there was 'no smoking gun' to suggest a motive but added: 'Both the sisters and the brothers as they went through the information today, there was one silly thing that came up - that some of his co-workers at some point made remarks about his beard.

'But it so slight and no-one has ever stated that he has ever acted in a hostile or a violent way towards anyone. They were a very polite, conservative married couple.' His colleague and fellow attorney, Mohammad Abuershaid, added: 'There is no indication that he was involved with anybody physically.

 

'There's no indication he had a short temper. It was people just teasing him about his facial hair and how he looked. He had a long beard and a very short trimmed haircut.

'It was just basic comments but he used to brush them off pretty easily. The family is in shock just as we are. They had no idea something like this would happen.'

Both lawyers refused to comment on the dead couple's child other to say she was safe and being cared for. They said the family last saw Farook on Sunday for a family meal.

The coupled lived in a rented apartment in Redlands, a 15-minute drive from San Bernardino, with their mother Rafia, who was held by police after a 3pm traffic stop on the day of the shootings. She was released in the early hours and the family lawyers refuted suggestions that Rafia was facing pending charges.

‘She was picked up in a traffic stop, I believe, and taken into custody,’ said Mr Chesley. ‘She was driving at the time Raheel’s truck. That truck is still in custody .

‘They brought her in for questioning and basically held her into the night and said we are not going to let her go unless the rest of the family comes in for questioning.’

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 04, 2015, 12:47:28 pm
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While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear

Unclear?  They were terrorists, that is what terrorists do.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 12:57:32 pm
Unclear?  They were terrorists, that is what terrorists do.

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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 04, 2015, 01:17:29 pm
Liberals keep trying to apply rational thinking to irrational people so we can someone justify these events.
People made fun of his beard, a Jewish guy yelled at him, he was against Christmas, as tho somehow NORMAL Americans are at fault and caused this to happen... we must change our ways... be more sensitive..
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 04, 2015, 02:55:34 pm
Radicalized US Muslim was teased by colleagues about his Islamic beard and had clashed with Jewish co-worker over religion before he and Pakistani wife killed 14 at San Bernardino holiday party

    Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a gun battle with police after a mass shooting
    Police said 14 died and 21 were injured after suspects opened fire at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino 
    Suspects left explosive devices rigged to a remote-controlled toy car at the center before fleeing in an SUV
    While the motive for the massacre remains unclear, Farook reportedly clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion
    Farook got into a heated argument with Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of the victims
    But lawyers for the Farook family said he was subjected to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance
    David Chesley, attorney acting for Farook's family, questioned accounts of massacre and whether information released by police and FBI was accurate
    He made bizarre reference to Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described
    Chesley said of Malik: 'It doesn't seem plausible that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario'
    It emerged that Farook brought his wife to the US on a 90-day K-1 fiancee visa and that she passed counterterrorism screening as part of her vetting
    Farook's older brother, Syed Raheel Farook, is a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror
    Their mother Rafia, 62, was held for questioning in the wake of the mass shooting after cops pulled her over in one of her other son's SUVs and she was released without charge the next day
    Police and federal agents searched a Redlands home, seizing 5,000 bullets, 12 pipe bombs and tools to make IEDs
    Investigators said Farook was in touch by phone and via social media with international terrorism subjects   

By Ben Ashford and Ruth Styles In San Bernardino For Dailymail.com and Khaleda Rahman and Snejana Farberov and Mia De Graaf For Dailymail.com

Published: 07:57 EST, 3 December 2015 | Updated: 06:41 EST, 4 December 2015

 

The family of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook told FBI investigators that he had been teased by colleagues about his long Islamic beard hours after it emerged that he had also clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion weeks before he and his wife killed 14 at a holiday party.

While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear, lawyers for the Farook family said the gunman had been subject to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance.

However, they added that the slain health inspector had ‘brushed off’ the remarks and they remained at a loss to explain why he mercilessly gunned down 14 people, the majority his former co-workers, on Wednesday.

Their comments came hours after it emerged that Farook had recently gotten into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of his victims.
 

Mr Thalasinos – worked alongside Farook as a county restaurant inspector and the pair are said to have regularly discussed politics and religion.

Colleague Kuuleme Stephen said she had called Thalasinos while he was at work when he was having a heated discussion with Farook.

Mr Thalasinos had identified Farook by name and told her the 28-year-old believed Islam was a peaceful religion. She added that Farook said that Americans do not understand Islam.

Mr Thalasinos was known to be passionate about pro-Israel causes and regularly ranted about Islam on Facebook.

On September 11th, 2013, alongside a photo of a shirtless victim plummeting to his death from the burning World Trade Center, Mr Thalasinos posted: 'On behalf of this guy… You can stick your Million Muslim March up your asses'.
 
In one of his final status updates on Tuesday, Mr Thalasinos responded to an anti-Semitic tirade allegedly penned by an apparent Muslim living in Ukraine, who railed against Jews and Israel.

‘Anyway my new hobby appears to be BLOCKING PAGAN ANTISEMITIC TROGLODYTES so I'm just passing this along to warn others,’ was Thalasinos' reply.

He was back online early on Wednesday morning sharing articles about Russian President Vladimir Putin and posting a negative comment about President Obama.

Again, it is unclear if the dispute played a part in the massacre.

David Chesley, an attorney acting for Farook's family, today questioned accounts of the shootings and whether information released by the police and FBI was accurate.

To illustrate his point, he made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described in the official narrative.

'There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,' he said.

'But it doesn't seem plausible to us that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario.

'There was a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not.

'But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don't know.'

Asked if he doubted if the Dec 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, which claimed 26 lives, took place, Mr Chesley added: 'There has been a lot speculation about it is all I would say.

'There's a lot of people that said it happened but hasn't happened in the way that it was purported to have taken place.
 
 
'There's no question that incidents have taken place and evidence was found but we just question some of that.'

The family’s lawyers also revealed for the first time that Farook's mother Rafia, 62, was held for questioning in the wake of the mass shooting after cops pulled her over in one of her other son's SUVs.

She was released without charge the next day but the vehicle is still in the hands of law enforcement officials, they said. The Farook family, including his father Syed, 66, older brother Syed Raheel, and sisters Eba, 24, Saira, 32, and her husband Farhan Khan, 41, spent several hours talking to FBI agents on Thursday.

Speaking outside Mr Khan's house late last night, attorney Chesley insisted that Farook's relatives had no idea he was plotting a massacre or stockpiling weapons with his wife Tashfeen Malik, 27.

FBI agents discovered a huge arsenal – including nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition, a dozen pipe bombs and hundreds of tools for making IEDs at the couple’s home.

It also emerged that Farook was in touch by phone and through social media with more than one international terrorism subject. Meanwhile, Farook's older brother, Syed Raheel Farook, was revealed a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror

But Mr Chesley said there was 'no smoking gun' to suggest a motive but added: 'Both the sisters and the brothers as they went through the information today, there was one silly thing that came up - that some of his co-workers at some point made remarks about his beard.

'But it so slight and no-one has ever stated that he has ever acted in a hostile or a violent way towards anyone. They were a very polite, conservative married couple.' His colleague and fellow attorney, Mohammad Abuershaid, added: 'There is no indication that he was involved with anybody physically.

 

'There's no indication he had a short temper. It was people just teasing him about his facial hair and how he looked. He had a long beard and a very short trimmed haircut.

'It was just basic comments but he used to brush them off pretty easily. The family is in shock just as we are. They had no idea something like this would happen.'

Both lawyers refused to comment on the dead couple's child other to say she was safe and being cared for. They said the family last saw Farook on Sunday for a family meal.

The coupled lived in a rented apartment in Redlands, a 15-minute drive from San Bernardino, with their mother Rafia, who was held by police after a 3pm traffic stop on the day of the shootings. She was released in the early hours and the family lawyers refuted suggestions that Rafia was facing pending charges.

‘She was picked up in a traffic stop, I believe, and taken into custody,’ said Mr Chesley. ‘She was driving at the time Raheel’s truck. That truck is still in custody .

‘They brought her in for questioning and basically held her into the night and said we are not going to let her go unless the rest of the family comes in for questioning.’

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You can begin to see the outlines of the "workplace violence"/went postal lies the White House and the MSM are going to start constructing as the "narrative" for what happened.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Relic on December 04, 2015, 02:59:05 pm
You can begin to see the outlines of the "workplace violence"/went postal lies the White House and the MSM are going to start constructing as the "narrative" for what happened.

I actually thought of this before I heard it on Rush Limbaugh. The other angle is that the muslim was somehow "offended". We all know that in America there are few things worse than offending someone. So, the muslim was offended, the details unavailable about the nature of the offense, but it surely had something to do with the Christmas party! Good gosh, he was pushed over the edge by a workplace Christmas party.

Time to ban all workplace Christmas / Holiday parties.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 08:15:52 pm
Wondering just why not one of the wounded...or their respective family hasn't been heard from.

Why aren't the networks/media tripping over themselves to interview them?

Did they pay-off the wounded in exchange for their promised silence on what transpired?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 08:32:33 pm
Wondering just why not one of the wounded...or their respective family hasn't been heard from.

Why aren't the networks/media tripping over themselves to interview them?

Did they pay-off the wounded in exchange for their promised silence on what transpired?
I noticed they haven't interviewed many bystanders? Or have they? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 08:45:48 pm
I noticed they haven't interviewed many bystanders? Or have they?
Look at the 2 pictures on the left from Sandy Hook.  One shows the line of kids being 'evacuated' from the school... we all know that one.  It's a media fave.  Now look at the one next to it from behind a line of parents...  Can you say staged?

You really have no idea what the truth is these days... absolutely everything on the msm is managed...


               (http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/GourmetDan/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook_cover_email_zps7yqxnrvp.jpg)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 08:55:26 pm
Look at the 2 pictures on the left from Sandy Hook.  One shows the line of kids being 'evacuated' from the school... we all know that one.  It's a media fave.  Now look at the one next to it from behind a line of parents...  Can you say staged?

You really have no idea what the truth is these days... absolutely everything on the msm is managed...


               (http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/GourmetDan/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook_cover_email_zps7yqxnrvp.jpg)
Where are the alleged dead kids now and their families? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 08:56:40 pm
Where are the alleged dead kids now and their families?

I guess you'll have to download the book and read it.  It's free...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 09:03:51 pm
I guess you'll have to download the book and read it.  It's free...
:laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 09:10:52 pm
:laugh:

Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf) is linked at Rense.  It takes a while to download since it is > 400 pages plus the first 2 pages in the pdf are blank so you have to go down to pg 3.




Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 09:13:22 pm
Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf) is linked at Rense.  It takes a while to download since it is > 400 pages plus the first 2 pages in the pdf are blank so you have to go down to pg 3.
I won' t be downloading any time soon my computer old and not much bandwidth.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 09:15:01 pm
Facebook removed suspect profile after California shooting

http://news.yahoo.com/facebook-removed-suspect-profile-california-shooting-203229722--finance.html

Quote
(Reuters) - A Facebook profile established under an alias by Tashfeen Malik, one of the suspects in the California shooting, was removed by the company for violating its community standards, which prohibit praise or promotion of “acts of terror,” a spokesman said Friday.

Content celebrating leaders of the Islamic State would be removed under the company’s standards, said a Facebook Inc spokesman, who asked not to be named.

He did not directly say the Islamic State comments were what triggered the removal on Thursday. He added that Facebook is cooperating with law enforcement on the matter.

Law enforcement sources have said that material on the Facebook page included praise of the Islamic State.

It was unclear how Facebook discovered the account and how the company linked it to Malik.

See they have her photo. Just heard on Cnn some almost trying to blame this on her.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 04, 2015, 09:18:23 pm
That further makes it sound ISIS related.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 04, 2015, 09:33:41 pm
That further makes it sound ISIS related.
No....not on Cnn. just one instance of terror. They had nothing to do with Isis or AQ as a group.  :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 04, 2015, 09:54:52 pm
No....not on Cnn. just one instance of terror. They had nothing to do with Isis or AQ as a group.  :thud:

Erin Burnett on CNN said it may be due to postpartum depression (not kidding). Obviously if the republicans didn't go after Planned Parenthood, she could have had an abortion and not carried it to term so she wouldn't be depressed and they would still be a happy, well adjusted Southern California family. Therefore, Republican's war on PP and women caused it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: massadvj on December 04, 2015, 10:19:06 pm
Erin Burnett on CNN said it may be due to postpartum depression (not kidding). Obviously if the republicans didn't go after Planned Parenthood, she could have had an abortion and not carried it to term so she wouldn't be depressed and they would still be a happy, well adjusted Southern California family. Therefore, Republican's war on PP and women caused it.

I was listening to a panel discussion on NPR this morning and all four panelists were struggling like hell to come up with some explanation as to why this seemingly normal couple with a small baby would do such a thing.  I literally laughed out loud in my car because that seemed like a better solution than putting my foot through the dashboard.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:22:55 pm
Farook family lawyers giving a presser now....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:24:38 pm
Family knew nothing...Syaed was a good boy and not violent...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:26:45 pm
Tasheen was a typical housewife and mother
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:27:50 pm
RedNationRising ‏@RedNationRising 54m54 minutes ago

Somebody at the FBI's getting fired after calling #SanBernadino an act of terrorism. It wasn't approved by Obama.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:28:27 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVajUhuUsAAZXqN.png)
ABC News ‏@ABC 2m2 minutes ago

"It's not at all uncommon to own 4000 rounds" of ammo, Farook family attorney says.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 10:29:09 pm
Tasheen was a typical housewife and mother

No photos of her...because all they have are ones of her wearing the hajib/veil.

And folks....a picture like that is not going to help the Democrats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:29:52 pm

FOX Business Verified account
‏@FoxBusiness

Farook Family Attorney: "Just because he had a religion... it had nothing to do with these acts."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaf46vUYAE1VVM.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 04, 2015, 10:30:17 pm
These family lawyers are a$$wipes. Make me want vomit with their Muslim whitewashing - how many times did they mention Christians and Catholics shooting up planned parenthood clinics. I'd like to wring their necks.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:30:18 pm
Family attorneys:Malik always wore a burqa...brothers never saw her face...men sat w/men women w/women...his garage was his "man cave" #tcot
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:30:46 pm
John Podhoretz ‏@jpodhoretz 49s50 seconds ago

14 people died and many are horrifyingly injured in a terrorist attack and in 48 hours it's become an ignoble farce.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:31:07 pm
"Syed Farook's garage was his man cave" - Family Attorney -
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 10:31:13 pm
Somebody posted this in another thread but I thought I'd put this video here.  I'm still stunned at this video.  Why isn't that apartment sealed, guarded, and the evidence tagged and bagged?  I even shared it on Facebook, and I rarely post on Facebook.

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=67477&searchorder=date
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:31:45 pm
The Anti-Feminist ‏@FemsHaveBallz 7m7 minutes ago

Not all lawyers are scumbags. But all of the lawyers for Syed's family are scumbags
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:32:26 pm
el Sooper ن ‏@SooperMexican 14s15 seconds ago

Farook family lawyer just called making fun of the terrorist's beard "intolerance"
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:32:58 pm
HersheSquirt© ‏@HersheSquirt 10m10 minutes ago

Meet the faces of the worst Muslim attorneys ever....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaihnQUYAAIbCv.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:33:24 pm
Heather Childers ‏@HeatherChilders 2m2 minutes ago

Summary fam. Attorney- Coworkers made fun of beard so they stashed 1000's of ammo rounds,bombs,assault weapons,tactical gear
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:34:06 pm
Patrick Henrys Ghost ‏@Pissed_Pat 42s42 seconds ago

Farook lawyer: "Tashfeen is easy to stigmatize b/c there is no picture of her." That. And her stack of victims. But, mostly the photo thing.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 04, 2015, 10:34:06 pm

Liar for hire.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 10:34:34 pm
No photos of her...because all they have are ones of her wearing the hajib/veil.

And folks....a picture like that is not going to help the Democrats.

You can see her photo and drivers' license in this video.

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=67477&searchorder=date
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:34:37 pm
Fox News ‏@FoxNews 5m5 minutes ago

Attorney: "The brothers did not actually ever see [Malik's] face... She did wear a burqa."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaj9rnU8AEh8nJ.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 04, 2015, 10:34:52 pm
Patrick Henrys Ghost ‏@Pissed_Pat 42s42 seconds ago

Farook lawyer: "Tashfeen is easy to stigmatize b/c there is no picture of her." That. And her stack of victims. But, mostly the photo thing.

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=67477&searchorder=date
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:35:18 pm
L.A Bowden ‏@bowden2you 6m6 minutes ago

@RaymondChickguy @cnnbrk I find this absolutely obscene! The Farook family has no reason to be hiring lawyers and citing discrimination.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:36:04 pm
Mother lived with them..stayed upstairs and didn't know what was happening downstairs......yeah right
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:37:57 pm
Scott Allan ‏@commonguy123 7s7 seconds ago

Scott Allan Retweeted Popehat

Gets his wife killed, himself killed and made his young child a orphan of sorts because of beard?  Hair hate crime.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:38:32 pm
@jaketapper ROFL Now mendacious Farook family lawyers saying Syed was made fun of bc of beard. Well, there's a reason to slaughter 14 ppl.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:38:59 pm
Fox News ‏@FoxNews 4m4 minutes ago

Attorney: "The mother lived with Syed and his wife."
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:39:35 pm
I'M JUST SHOCKED. THEY WERE JUST SO NICE & KIND....UNTIL THEY SHOT UP A ROOM OF INNOCENTS.... #UNFRICKIN' BELIEVABLE
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 10:39:58 pm
@jaketapper ROFL Now mendacious Farook family lawyers saying Syed was made fun of bc of beard. Well, there's a reason to slaughter 14 ppl.

Bald-faced lying has become a national obsession...

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:40:07 pm
.@TheFive who is this seditious attorney, telling us that there's no terrorist connection? He must think we're gullible beyond belief.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:40:47 pm
Eye on Politics ‏@EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes ago

Oh. My. God. This is worse than anything I could've imagined. Making the terrorists' family the victim here? Sick.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2015, 10:41:12 pm
FOX Business Verified account
‏@FoxBusiness

Farook Family Attorney: "Just because he had a religion... it had nothing to do with these acts."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaf46vUYAE1VVM.jpg)

Please answer as to why there have been no photograph of 'Mrs. Islamic Terrorist' provided to the police?

Is it because they're all of her in a burka, hijab/veil?

Guess that would stir a little backlash too, wouldn't it?   :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:41:31 pm
I can't believe that they think this presser is helping their cause....
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:42:46 pm
John Nolte ‏@NolteNC 3s3 seconds ago North Carolina, USA

Terrorists' attorneys putting on a sh*t show.

Smearing victims as racists.

These guys will be hired by CNN within the week.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:43:16 pm
Andrea Tantaros ‏@AndreaTantaros 51s52 seconds ago

American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:44:27 pm

ABC7 Eyewitness News Verified account
‏@ABC7

"He was a very isolated, introverted individual with really no friends that we could ID,"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVagSvcWsAANptG.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:45:34 pm
Jack Welch ‏@jack_welch 54s55 seconds ago

Only in America.  Farouk "lawyers" an hour of nonsense
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John Nolte ‏@NolteNC 56s57 seconds ago North Carolina, USA

After the terrorist attorney sh*t show The Five panel broke out laughing.
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Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:47:10 pm
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:48:30 pm
Andrea Tantaros ‏@AndreaTantaros
Why was the suspect's brother at a CAIR press conference following the attacks? Shouldn't he have been in FBI custody getting questioned?
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Richard J Dadamo ‏@DickDadamo 10m10 minutes ago

@mooshakins Mom stayed upstairs and didn't see anything. Guess I missed when they announced this was a 10,000 sq foot home.





Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 04, 2015, 10:50:36 pm
Andrea Tantaros ‏@AndreaTantaros
Why was the suspect's brother at a CAIR press conference following the attacks?

Leading Allahu Akbar chants?


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2015, 10:51:28 pm

Jake Tapper Verified account
‏@jaketapper

Fmr. FBI Profiler: Baby may have been 'prop' for terrorists
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 05, 2015, 12:09:03 am
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaosjnU8AATqLN.jpg:large)

First released photo of "Bonnie".   
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 12:27:06 am
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: aligncare on December 05, 2015, 12:39:22 am
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.

We're living in a novel, without a clue as to how it ends.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 05, 2015, 12:56:20 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVajUhuUsAAZXqN.png)
ABC News ‏@ABC 2m2 minutes ago

"It's not at all uncommon to own 4000 rounds" of ammo, Farook family attorney says.

Anyone that owns firearms and practices regularly would agree
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 01:03:11 am
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.

I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 01:05:08 am
We're living in a novel, without a clue as to how it ends.

There will be many more deaths in this country.  I hope others realize that hardcore Democrats such as Obama are just as much an enemy in this war as are the Islamic terrorists they support and arm.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 01:11:04 am
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:

Don't forget this all started when he tried to foist the Muslim Brotherhood on Egypt and then turned to his little dalliance in Libya.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 01:19:11 am
Don't forget this all started when he tried to foist the Muslim Brotherhood on Egypt and then turned to his little dalliance in Libya.

He also stayed silent when Iran's secular side had an uprising during the "Arab Spring" and he sided with the mullahs.

Wake the hell up, America.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 05, 2015, 01:19:26 am
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:

Welcome aboard!

I've been convinced for a very long time now!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 01:23:46 am
Welcome aboard!

I've been convinced for a very long time now!

I've been 90-99% convinced for his entire presidency as its progressed.  I held out hope that he was just an incompetent moron, but obviously this is all by plan and he is an enemy to the USA.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 05, 2015, 01:42:02 am
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.

Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."

I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists!   :pondering:

I honestly believe the administration wants to see a Middle East caliphate established, a new Ottoman Empire bringing order to the area. I believe they believe it will bring 'peace in our time'. They want a Middle Eastern EU, and who better to pull that off than the heirs of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party, Isis. This group has been fighting for a caliphate since 1947. They were trained by the Nazis during WWII as a plan to have a Middle Eastern ally and at the end of WWII, they lost power but continued to fight for the goals, and never stopped.

Up until now, our national policy has been to keep these nations not unified as another Ottoman Empire, but more radical in religious beliefs, would be a far more dangerous prospect for us.

The current administration thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Fishrrman on December 05, 2015, 02:12:27 am
mystery wrote above:
"American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait."

Very cogent observation.

And that's why, once again, it illustrates why this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Must be changed to this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."

... if we are to survive islam's onslaught.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 02:15:03 am
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers


Yeah, right.  If they used the AK-74, it was about 61/2 to 8 pounds loaded.  The AR-15 is about the same.  For comparison, that's about the same as a gallon of milk.

Basically, if she could carry this:
(http://cdn2.moneysavingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/gallon-of-milk.png)


she could carry this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Ak74l.jpg)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 02:17:08 am
Andrea Tantaros ‏@AndreaTantaros 51s52 seconds ago

American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait.


I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that.  Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period.  And why should having a lawyer make anything any better?  The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: ABX on December 05, 2015, 02:39:16 am
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers

My wife is a skinny super model looking woman and she can handle a Steyr .50 with no problem, that makes an AK look like a toothpick. I know many a 90lb woman who can and do shoot ARs and AKs most weekends. Professoinal shooter Gabby Franco is probably no more than 95lbs wet. 

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11856465_810347562413396_8397327488784814214_o.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 05:08:32 am
So I'm spamming this on a few different threads.  Like I said elsewhere, if'n you like it, please feel free to take it and put it wherever else you'd like.

(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82017.0;attach=1209;image)

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: DCPatriot on December 05, 2015, 05:13:50 am
Can you please translate the arabic?  Thanks. 

is it the ISIS logo?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 05:14:20 am
Can you please translate the arabic?  Thanks. 

As I understand it, that's Arabic for Allah
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:17:30 am

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that.  Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period.  And why should having a lawyer make anything any better?  The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.

Why does a dead terrorist need an Islamist lawyer defending a dead ID'd suspect who literally was shooting at the police after she murdered innocent people at a meeting.

Why does a dead person who literally murdered innocent people need a lawyer, Oceander?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Oceander on December 05, 2015, 05:19:33 am
Why does a dead terrorist need an Islamist lawyer defending a dead ID'd suspect who literally was shooting at the police after she murdered innocent people at a meeting.

Why does a dead person who literally murdered innocent people need a lawyer, Oceander?

Who knows?  Why shouldn't the family have one if they want to spend the money?  Does it make any difference?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 04:10:00 pm
San Bernardino Terrorist To Jewish Victim: 'You Will Never See Israel'

http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-war-on-terror-487284/san-bernardino-terrorist-to-jewish-victim-14177844/

According to the pastor of one of the victims of the San Bernardino terror attack, just weeks prior to the deadly shooting, Sayed Farook told Nicholas Thalasinos—a devout Messianic Jew and fellow health inspector—“You will never see Israel.”

Pastor Bruce Dowell of the Shiloh Messianic Congregation in California told Sean Hannity on Friday’s radio show, “[Thalasino’s] wife told my wife… [Farook] said to Nick ‘you will never see Israel.’ That’s according to his wife, Jennifer and that comes straight from my wife. She was with her for the last two days.”  The pastor said Farook told that to his congregant “face-to-face” approximately two weeks before the attack.

According to Dowell, Farook was the county food inspector for the region, and a colleague had recently done a walk-through with him at a Christian camp. The pastor said he did not know Farook but that his son did, telling Sean “my son said he wasn’t an overly friendly individual.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 04:23:43 pm

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that.  Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period.  And why should having a lawyer make anything any better?  The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.

Personally, I preferred the Bush policy of treating terrorists as enemy combatants. Now those terrorists have come to our country in great numbers. I would like to see that policy of treating these people as enemy combatants restored.  This show of families of terrorists lawyering up for propaganda press conferences is destructive, and as more of it happens we are going to see more and more of it. It will do two things: demoralize a nation at war and drive a wedge between people of different beliefs and philosophies in this country, which will hurt the war effort.  Congress should declare war on ISIS, al-Qaeda and all of their off-shoots. And we should treat family members of terrorists as potential enemy combatants until they can be cleared by military intelligence.  Once cleared, they can then avail themselves of whatever legal counsel they might wish.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:40:58 pm
Personally, I preferred the Bush policy of treating terrorists as enemy combatants. Now those terrorists have come to our country in great numbers. I would like to see that policy of treating these people as enemy combatants restored.  This show of families of terrorists lawyering up for propaganda press conferences is destructive, and as more of it happens we are going to see more and more of it. It will do two things: demoralize a nation at war and drive a wedge between people of different beliefs and philosophies in this country, which will hurt the war effort.  Congress should declare war on ISIS, al-Qaeda and all of their off-shoots. And we should treat family members of terrorists as potential enemy combatants until they can be cleared by military intelligence.  Once cleared, they can then avail themselves of whatever legal counsel they might wish.

Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 04:45:41 pm
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.

American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history - tens of thousands of them in fact, beginning in 1860. Extreme times call for strong measures. The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:46:01 pm
Who knows?  Why shouldn't the family have one if they want to spend the money?  Does it make any difference?

You think the family are the people paying for two lawyers to defend two dead terrorists?  That's cute.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:48:07 pm
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.

Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.

Now you're deliberately lying in order to defend these terrorists.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:49:48 pm
American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history - tens of thousands of them in fact, beginning in 1860. Extreme times call for strong measures. The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

American citizens have a right to due process.  No court is going to let you confine them  without a lawyer.  Even the military requires legal representation for its members.

If you don't like due process, then change it.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:51:26 pm
Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.

Now you're deliberately lying in order to protect these terrorists.

Uh, read the thread.  We are talking about Farouk Sayeed's family, all of whom are American citizens.  The burqa wearing wife is dead, so she doesn't need representation anyway.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.

Now you're deliberately lying in order to protect these terrorists.

What sink said is irrelevant anyway, American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history...and will be again.  His position here is simply non-sensical.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:52:06 pm
You think the family are the people paying for two lawyers to defend two dead terrorists?  That's cute.

No.  These guys are representing the family and are likely working pro bono.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:53:10 pm
Uh, read the thread.  We are talking about Farouk Sayeed's family, all of whom are American citizens.  The burqa wearing wife is dead, so she doesn't need representation anyway.

Sayeed is dead, too, and the attorneys were defending him along with his Arab wife in their press conference.

Did you watch it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:53:39 pm
What sink said is irrelevant anyway, American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history...and will be again.  His position here is simply non-sensical.

Talk about irrelevant.  You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:54:09 pm
No.  These guys are representing the family and are likely working pro bono.

Pro bono?!

Haha!

I'll bet you $1000 that they are on CAIR's payroll.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:54:22 pm
Sayeed is dead, too, and the attorneys were defending him along with his Arab wife in their press conference.

Did you watch it?

Yes. So? 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:56:25 pm
Talk about irrelevant.  You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?

Jose' Padilla was 150 years ago?  Huh, I learn something new from sinkspur every day.   :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 04:57:05 pm
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens.  There's that pesky Constitution again.

Maybe Sayeed's family should read the part of the Constitution where it talks about treason...I believe terrorism on your own country applies.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:57:29 pm
Jose' Padilla was 150 years ago?  Huh, I learn something new from sinkspur every day.   :silly:

Padilla had a lawyer from day one.  Every American citizen is entitled to legal representation.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 04:57:52 pm
Yes. So?

So you said the wife is dead and doesn't need representation.   If so, why were the attorneys also defending her dead husband?  Do you understand basic logic?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 04:58:13 pm
Maybe Sayeed's family should read the part of the Constitution where it talks about treason...I believe terrorism on your own country applies.

Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 04:59:16 pm
Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.

I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 04:59:49 pm
Talk about irrelevant.  You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?

Gee, sink, here is a discussion of that very issue, with an example from 2012:

http://www.aei.org/publication/yes-u-s-citizens-can-be-held-as-enemy-combatants/

Where have you been the last 14 years when the courts have dealt with exactly this issue related to American citizens in al-Qaeda? The left, who you seem to be very close to lately, practically had apoplexy over Rumsfeld over this.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:00:46 pm
Padilla had a lawyer from day one.  Every American citizen is entitled to legal representation.

That's irrelevant to Padilla being an enemy combatant.  Stay on the topic terrorist defender.

You said the wife is dead and doesn't need an attorney.  If so, why were the two "pro bono" (LOL at that one) attorneys defending both her and her dead husband?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:01:49 pm
I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet

Any evidence against the mother is now worthless since the entire crime scene was compromised and contaminated.

sinkspur defended that obvious case of criminal trespass as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 05:04:19 pm
Any evidence against the mother is now worthless since the entire crime scene was compromised and contaminated.

sinkspur defended that obvious case of criminal trespass as well.

True...but the FBI questioned her for 7hrs and are not through...maybe she will slip up....but now they have lawyer'ed up
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 05:04:27 pm
I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet

If we deem the families as enemy combatants we can hold them until the evidence can be analyzed.  I suggest we should do that but do it properly, with a declaration of war.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:05:28 pm
Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.

Gee sinkspur, maybe some of it was shredded in the garbage can that the FBI apparently didn't think was worth taking as evidence?  Of course now whatever was shredded is worthless and will be thrown out of court.  Not that Obama seems to care, anyhow.

Nor you, either.  Funny how that is, huh?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:10:10 pm
True...but the FBI questioned her for 7hrs and are not through...maybe she will slip up....but now they have lawyer'ed up

Even more egregious that the house she lived in wasn't sealed and everything in it taken into evidence.  You have posters here defending this baffling decision by the FBI.  Why are they defending it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:12:37 pm
If we deem the families as enemy combatants we can hold them until the evidence can be analyzed.  I suggest we should do that but do it properly, with a declaration of war.

It was just workplace violence along with postpartum depression.  CNN says it so it must be true!
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2015, 05:15:15 pm
Even more egregious that the house she lived in wasn't sealed and everything in it taken into evidence.  You have posters here defending this baffling decision by the FBI.  Why are they defending it?

I think they are defending it because they trust Comey.

Comey is a good man but I am always suspicious of anyone who works for this admin..especially a Repub.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:20:08 pm
I think they are defending it because they trust Comey.

Comey is a good man but I am always suspicious of anyone who works for this admin..especially a Repub.

Comey didn't make the call on leaving obvious evidence to be contaminated.  If he did Lynch would have fired him on the spot had she and her boss not approved of it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 05:23:04 pm
The fact that they spent so little time in that house once again tells us that the regime cares not about terror attacks here.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 05:38:09 pm
That's irrelevant to Padilla being an enemy combatant.  Stay on the topic terrorist defender.

You said the wife is dead and doesn't need an attorney.  If so, why were the two "pro bono" (LOL at that one) attorneys defending both her and her dead husband?

Enemy combatants aren't allowed attorneys unless they're charged.  Padilla had an attorney from the first day.

Don't know why they're defending two dead people.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:39:33 pm
The fact that they spent so little time in that house once again tells us that the regime cares not about terror attacks here.

As I've said, it's right in front of our face, yet even some who are supposedly on the right continue to make excuses for it and lash out at posters for simply calling a terrorist for what they are.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 05:44:08 pm
ISIS claims responsibility: says California killers were their followers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/5/isis-claims-responsibility-says-california-killers/

Quote
The Islamic State group on Saturday said that a married couple who murdered 14 people in California in an attack the FBI is investigating as an “act of terrorism” were followers of the terrorist organization.

The extremist group made its claim in an online radio broadcast, Reuters reported. The declaration comes three days after Syed Farook, 28, and his wife Tashfeen Malik, 29, carried out a mass shooting on a holiday party for civil servants in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: xfreeper on December 05, 2015, 05:45:00 pm
I wish next time a couple of you could have your own thread to crap on each other. What a pain in the ass it is to have to sift through it
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2015, 05:45:50 pm
What happened to the third alleged shooter?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 05:47:15 pm
What happened to the third alleged shooter?

There wasn't one. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 05:50:31 pm
Sticker found in home of San Bernardino terror couple reveals link to controversial New York mosque

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347078/Sticker-home-San-Bernardino-terror-couple-reveals-link-controversial-New-York-mosque.html


REVEALED: San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook 'had contact with Syrian al Qaeda-affiliated group AND al Shabaab in Somalia' before planting bombs and gunning down 14 people with his marriage website Pakistani bride

    WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGE


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346500/Pictured-handcuffed-body-San-Bernardino-terrorist-Pakistani-wife-pledged-allegiance-ISIS-Facebook-slaughter-14.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 05:51:25 pm
What happened to the third alleged shooter?
Haven't heard.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2015, 05:53:55 pm
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 05:58:21 pm
What happened to the third alleged shooter?

If there was an accomplice or accomplices, we'll never know since the entire home where the attack was planned is contaminated as a crime scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 06:01:06 pm
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
No, I heard the police chief say they had someone in custody that was running from the scene.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 05, 2015, 06:02:45 pm
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
That is my understanding. However I saw a post on Facebook of an individual claiming he had friend/friends on San Bernardino area law enforcement, that they were searching for other known associates, of the dead couple.

The post said LE was not making this public because they don't want to scare the public.

My guess is that while various laypersons with no training or experience in LE, ramble on endlessly on sites like this, the skilled people are out there trying to do their jobs.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 05, 2015, 06:03:43 pm
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?


He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 05, 2015, 06:07:24 pm

He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.

That is my understanding also.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Lando Lincoln on December 05, 2015, 06:09:37 pm
My guess is that while various laypersons with no training or experience in LE, ramble on endlessly on sites like this, the skilled people are out there trying to do their jobs.

But some of 'em say it so authoritatively.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2015, 07:59:10 pm

He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.
Thanks. I'd been too busy to track down any info.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 08:13:48 pm
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 08:17:56 pm
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?

How strange is it in America today...that we can think such a thing about our government and you sit back and realize that with this corrupt bunch it is a very reasonable supposition.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 05, 2015, 08:36:16 pm
How strange is it in America today...that we can think such a thing about our government and you sit back and realize that with this corrupt bunch it is a very reasonable supposition.
We know it was a 2 story apt. In photos only saw one bathroom, kitchen, living room any of garage? The couples bed room? edit to add....remember the authorities said it was  EID factory, no sign of anything close to that in those photos was there?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: alicewonders on December 05, 2015, 08:42:25 pm
We know it was a 2 story apt. In photos only saw one bathroom, kitchen, living room any of garage? The couples bed room? edit to add....remember the authorities said it was  EID factory, no sign of anything close to that in those photos was there?

Yeah.  Things are being covered up.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
The question still is "why".  The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it.  All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EdinVA on December 05, 2015, 08:54:54 pm
The question still is "why".  The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it.  All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.

They are terrorists and that is what terrorists do.... there is no why...
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 08:57:01 pm
They are terrorists and that is what terrorists do.... there is no why...

No, that's not the "why" I am writing of...it is the cover up of actions related to opening the house, or part of it, to the media.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 09:08:22 pm
No, that's not the "why" I am writing of...it is the cover up of actions related to opening the house, or part of it, to the media.

That video is still surreal to me, but nobody really seems to care, and many seem to think it's SOP.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 09:12:11 pm
The question still is "why".  The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it.  All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.

Wouldn't it be easier to scour everything in that home for prints and any other DNA evidence of other cell members and bring it all into a controlled laboratory environment?

I've yet to hear a good reason why that hadn't been done before the "investigation" was over.

Facebook scrubbed my sharing of that video, too.  This is a cover-up in the wide open.  That's how brazen the terrorists, including our president, are at this point in America.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 05, 2015, 09:26:37 pm
Wouldn't it be easier to scour everything in that home for prints and any other DNA evidence of other cell members?

I've yet to hear a good reason why that hadn't been done before the "investigation" was over.

Facebook scrubbed my sharing of that video, too.

I don't know - I can hope for the best, that they have some very hot leads and they are pursuing those with vigor, while throwing out all sort of disinformation out to lower the guard of the fugitives...or I can see an effort to disrupt the investigation to assist those the administration favors while keeping the focus on "peaceful, law abiding muslims" and promoting the idea that Americans are bigots.  And waiting for everyone to be distracted by football this weekend.  That would be treason...and I am at a loss trying to convince myself that Obama would not go there.  And then there is Congress...which has become the most useless institution in history.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 05, 2015, 09:51:59 pm
I don't know - I can hope for the best, that they have some very hot leads and they are pursuing those with vigor, while throwing out all sort of disinformation out to lower the guard of the fugitives...or I can see an effort to disrupt the investigation to assist those the administration favors while keeping the focus on "peaceful, law abiding muslims" and promoting the idea that Americans are bigots.  And waiting for everyone to be distracted by football this weekend.  That would be treason...and I am at a loss trying to convince myself that Obama would not go there.  And then there is Congress...which has become the most useless institution in history.

Yeah, it's a great thing we worked so hard to gain control back from the Dems, huh?  Frightened to the point they won't shut down the government by adding an anti-refugee amendment to the funding bill they just passed, even with 65% of Americans opposed to bringing in these unvetted terrorists.

I feel like such a sucker for standing by the establishment GOP for as long as I did.  It's all just one big elitist party in DC as they thumb their noses at us peons.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 06, 2015, 05:23:27 pm
San Bernardino Terrorist’s Father: My Son Was ‘Obsessed’ With Israel

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/06/san-bernardino-terrorists-father-my-son-was-obsessed-with-israel/

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TEL AVIV – A window into the extremist mindset of San Bernardino jihadist Syed Rizwan Farook was provided by his father Syed Farook, who described his son as “obsessed with Israel.”

Syed Farook provided an interview to the Italian newspaper La Stampa, where he said:

My son said that he shared [IS leader Abu Bakr] Al Baghdadi’s ideology and supported the creation of the Islamic State. He was also obsessed with Israel.

I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist anymore. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed.”

Asked if he knew whether Syed Rizwan Farook had contacts with terrorist organizations, the father replied, “I do not know. But these days, who knows, with the internet and all that technology. ”
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 06, 2015, 05:27:59 pm
San Bernardino Terrorist’s Father: My Son Was ‘Obsessed’ With Israel

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/06/san-bernardino-terrorists-father-my-son-was-obsessed-with-israel/

On the one hand the father was brutally honest about his son...on the other he has the perverted Islamic mindset himself. Don't tell me Islam is not the problem...they are a religion FULL of rabid animals.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 06, 2015, 05:33:31 pm
On the one hand the father was brutally honest about his son...on the other he has the perverted Islamic mindset himself. Don't tell me Islam is not the problem...they are a religion FULL of rabid animals.
Yes it is. Name one good thing islam has done for anything? One.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: sinkspur on December 06, 2015, 05:52:57 pm
I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist anymore. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed.”

It's not just Muslims who have weird-assed ideas about Israel and Jews.  Go to Twitter and type in "Gaza" and you'll see it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: EC on December 07, 2015, 06:58:16 pm
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?

No one had any need to plant things. It probaly IS just like anyone else's apartment. That's the whole point of a sleeper.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 05:31:29 pm
No one had any need to plant things. It probaly IS just like anyone else's apartment. That's the whole point of a sleeper.
I don't trust any off them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 08:06:09 pm
Terror couple's bombs were set to kill first responders

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/07/terror-couple-bombs-were-set-to-kill-first-repsonders/?intcmp=hpbt3

California terrorists got a $28k payment two weeks before attack - suspicious transfer revealed as FBI says couple had been radicalized for 'some time' and had rigged building to blow after massacre

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3350320/San-Bernardino-gunmen-rigged-conference-center-blow-responders-arrived-months-practice-radicalized-time.html#

EXCLUSIVE: Shooting targets, GoPro packaging, hammer and 'vise grips' found by FBI in car belonging to San Bernardino shooter's MOTHER

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3350280/Shooting-targets-GoPro-packaging-hammer-Syed-Farook-s-mother-s-car.html

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I cannot read the comments at DM is it only me?
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: GourmetDan on December 08, 2015, 08:14:17 pm
I cannot read the comments at DM is it only me?

I can see them...


Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 08:32:41 pm
I can see them...
Thanks. I thought it was just for Trump and Mr&Mrs workplace violence. Yet now I see it is all of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 08, 2015, 08:33:43 pm
Meet The Peer 2 Peer Lending Website That Funded The San Bernardino Shooters

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-08/meet-peer-2-peer-website-funded-san-bernardino-shooters

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Over the course of the past nine months or so, we’ve documented the rise of online P2P lending.

Back in May, for instance, we highlighted a Bloomberg piece which suggested the volume of P2P loans is set to hit nearly $80 billion in 2015. “LendingClub, the No. 1 player worldwide, is trading at a market value of about $7 billion even though it lost $33 million last year,” Bloomberg said, before warning that “in a flashback to the subprime mortgage boom, P2P startups have begun bundling and selling off loans through securitizations.”

Well of course they have. When it comes to new, potentially lucrative markets, Wall Street is a bit like Christopher Walken’s character Frank White from the 1990 cult classic “King Of New York”: “Nothing goes down unless I’m involved.” The more demand there is for P2P loans to securitize, the lower will be P2P lenders’ underwriting standards creating a repeat of the originate to sell dynamic that helped create the housing bubble and is now playing out across the auto loan space. But when it comes to P2P loans, there’s another problem. P2P loans create the conditions whereby borrowers can refi high-interest debt via personal loans, transferring credit risk from large financial institutions to private lenders in the process. It’s not entirely clear what the implications of that shift might ultimately be, especially if the market continues to grow
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 11, 2015, 11:07:44 am
 San Bernardino shooters planned bigger attack, investigators believe
FBI dive teams searches for digital footprint of San Bernardino shooters

An FBI dive team on Thursday searches for electronic devices or other evidence possibly left in Seccombe Lake, about two miles north of the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. (Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times)
Richard A. Serrano, Richard Winton, Sarah Parvini and James QueallyContact Reporters

An examination of digital equipment recovered from the home of the couple who killed 14 people in San Bernardino last week has led FBI investigators to believe the shooters were planning an even larger assault, according to federal government sources.

Investigators on Thursday continued to search for digital footprints left by Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, scouring a downtown San Bernardino lake for electronic items, including a hard drive that the couple was hoping to destroy, sources told The Times.

FBI agents will probably spend days searching Seccombe Lake and canvassing the neighborhood for clues after receiving a tip that the couple may have visited the area on the day of the attack, according to David Bowdich, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office.

Farook and Malik were in the final planning stages of an assault on a location or building that housed a lot more people than the Inland Regional Center, possibly a nearby school or college, according to federal sources familiar with the widening investigation.

A memorial to victims of the terrorist attack in San Bernardino continues to grow near the Inland Regional Center. (Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times)

Investigators have based that conclusion on evidence left behind on Farook and Malik's computers and digital devices, not all of which the couple were able to destroy before they were killed in a firefight with police, the sources said.

Images of San Bernardino-area schools were found on a cellphone belonging to Farook, according to a law enforcement source. But the source cautioned that Farook may have had a legitimate reason to have the images because his work as a county health inspector involved checking on school dining facilities.

On Thursday, one of the federal government sources told The Times that Farook asked his friend and neighbor, Enrique Marquez, to buy two military-style rifles used in the attacks because he feared he "wouldn't pass a background check" if he attempted to acquire the weapons on his own. The rifles were bought at a local gun store, the source said.

The timing of the rifle purchases is significant to FBI investigators. Another federal government source previously told The Times that Farook may have been considering a separate terror plot in 2011 or 2012.


Farook was self-radicalizing around that time, FBI Director James Comey said, and met Malik soon after, eventually escorting her to the United States. Farook was a practicing Muslim. Marquez converted to Islam around the time he purchased the weapons, sources have told The Times.

FBI agents believe Farook abandoned his plans to launch the earlier attack after a law enforcement task force arrested three men in Chino in November 2012. The men were later convicted of charges related to providing material support to terrorists and plotting to kill Americans in Afghanistan. A fourth man arrested in Afghanistan also was convicted in the scheme.

Bowdich said federal agents are investigating whether the men had ties to Farook.

Marquez has emerged as a central figure in the investigation. The FBI had been conducting interviews with 24-year-old, who checked himself into a mental health facility after the attacks.

The former Wal-Mart security guard has waived his Miranda rights and cooperated with the inquiry, and it was Marquez who told FBI agents about Farook's earlier plans, according to one of the government sources, who also requested anonymity.


Officials continue to scour the backgrounds of the shooters who killed 14 people and injured 21 in San Bernardino.

"They were talking generally about something, but I don't think it made it to anything specific," one of the sources said of the earlier plot. "I don't think it got to a time or a place."

The source said it remains unclear whether Marquez had any involvement in the planning of the shooting or had any prior knowledge that an attack was pending.

Marquez, a cycling enthusiast who wanted to join the U.S. Navy, was a longtime friend and neighbor of Farook. He also married the sister of Farook's sister-in-law last year, although the circumstances of the union are now under investigation, a government official previously told The Times.

There was no paperwork transferring ownership of the assault rifles from Marquez to Farook, as required by California law, government officials told The Times.

Hours after the shooting, Marquez posted a cryptic message on his Facebook page.

"I'm. Very sorry sguys," the message read. "It was a pleasure."

Bowdich on Thursday declined to answer questions about Marquez, who has not been charged with a crime.


Marquez told FBI agents that the Facebook post has been "misunderstood," according to one of the government sources. Agents are concerned that Marquez's mental and emotional state may affect what he has been telling interrogators, the source said.

While Marquez has spoken to agents about his ties to Farook, federal officials are still working to verify the information he has provided, the source said.

Marquez's mother, Armida Chacon, addressed reporters on Thursday from her Tomlinson Avenue home in Riverside, sobbing as she said she hadn't been in contact with her son since the day of the massacre.

"I don't know how this happened.... My world is upside-down," she said. "My life changed Wednesday."

Chacon was outside with one of her sons, cleaning up the broken glass and twisted panels of their garage door. The damage occurred when federal agents raided the stucco home over the weekend.

As she combed through the wreckage of the garage door, Chacon eventually turned to the reporters camped out on the street and agreed to an off-camera interview.

Marquez was his mother's "right hand at home," helping take care of his brothers, she said.

She said her son loved to hang out with friends and go to parties.

"My son is a good person," she said.

When asked about Farook, Chacon said her son was friends with him and "nothing more."

Chacon said she was overwhelmed by news of the shooting and had spent the last several days crying inside her home.
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"I want this to stop," she said.

After speaking to reporters for about 10 minutes, Chacon turned and walked back inside the house.

She was still crying.

http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-sb-shooting-20151211-story.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 11, 2015, 11:09:45 am
Don't they mean they were planning bigger "workplace violence?" :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Bigun on December 11, 2015, 05:46:11 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bClwr4osp50&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Scottftlc on December 11, 2015, 05:55:52 pm
Why the Hell do we treat (in the media) people like this Chacon woman like a victim? Her "good person" got weapons for jihadi mass murderers. I'll save my sympathy for real victims.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 08:03:02 pm
I was listening to a podcast I had downloaded from KFI640am.  Gary and Shannon show. They mentioned the Quatar link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 10:01:20 pm
San Bernardino divers reportedly pull object from water in evidence search

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/11/san-bernardino-divers-return-to-lake-seeking-electronic-evidence/?intcmp=hpbt2

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An FBI dive team reportedly pulled an object from a San Bernardino lake Friday, seeking evidence pinpointing the motive and history of the attackers who killed more than a dozen people during a holiday party.

One diver handed the unknown item to an official wearing gloves, who put the object in a plastic bag, the Press-Enterprise reports.

Investigators are looking for a hard drive that may have been dumped in the lake, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press. David Bowdich, chief of the FBI's Los Angeles office, said investigative leads indicated the shooters had been in the area the day of the massacre and said the search of the lake could take days.

Fox News has learned that in 2012, one of the gunmen, Syed Farook, conspired with former neighbor Enrique Marquez, the man who purchased the rifles used in the deadly attack in San Bernardino on Dec. 2. The plot would have targeted the Los Angeles area.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 10:02:26 pm
Radioactive radical: Body of San Bernardino jihadist bride unclaimed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/11/martyr-scorned-body-san-bernardino-jihadist-bride-unclaimed/?intcmp=hpbt3

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If no one steps up, she will likely be cremated at taxpayers’ expense, a fate forbidden by Islamic law for even the most reviled radical killers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: mountaineer on December 11, 2015, 10:03:13 pm
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If no one steps up, she will likely be cremated at taxpayers’ expense, a fate forbidden by Islamic law for even the most reviled radical killers.
Good. Sprinkle her corpse with pig blood before lighting the fire.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: flowers on December 11, 2015, 10:08:37 pm
Good. Sprinkle her corpse with pig blood before lighting the fire.
Yep.....you know she thought for sure she would have a honorable funeral by her sharia types.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 12, 2015, 02:23:44 pm
Unwanted Terrorist Body of Tashfeen Malik Remains unclaimed
Rlgrimes 12/12/2015
 

No one wants the responsibility of burying Tashfeen Malik, shown her with husband Syed Farook.

Last week Tashfeen Malik tried to win her way to Paradise by helping her partner in crime, Syed Farook murder 14 innocent persons at a Christmas Party and Wound another 22 in San Bernardino. But the real horror in that act was not the killing, or the wounding, it was the fact that these were the very same people that had given her and her Muslim Terrorist husband a baby shower just a few weeks before.

Well now it appears that the young woman at least in theory, will be denied her place in Islam’s version of heaven that she sold her soul to obtain. Why? Because Islamic law requires that the body be buried within 24 hours of death. Usually as good Christians, we try to accommodate that requirement even in the case of terrorist acts. But in Tashfeen’s case, it really doesn’t seem to matter.

You see, no one wants her body, not that I blame them, but she has been on a slab in the county morgue freezer just waiting for someone to claim the remains now for over a week, and no one has stepped forward. As a result, it is likely that she could get the unceremonious – and un-Islamic – funeral she deserves. Even local Muslim leaders don’t want anything to do with her. Neither has her husband’s family stepped forward to claim the body of the mother of their grandchild. So there she lays, on a cold metal slab in freezer
 

Yes, we have learned that the bullet-riddled body of Tashfeen Malik is still at the San Bernardino County morgue, along with that of her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook. But while his remains are expected to soon be released to his family, community and mosque leaders are treating her corpse like a hot potato. “No one wants to claim her and no one wants to do the funeral,” a well-placed source within the Muslim community told FoxNews.com.  “They are all waiting for someone else to be the one to take care of this part of it.”

Trying to do the right thing, and possibly even speeding her soul on the way to hell, local political and religious leaders have been trying to get someone to agree to perform a burial for Malik in adherence with Islamic tradition. But as of now, that just doesn’t seem to be going to happen, because so far no one wants to take on the controversial duties. Malik, the “devout Muslim wife,” did not worship at local mosques. In addition, she was not known in the Muslim community before she and her husband launched their murder spree at the Inland Regional Center Christmas Party Dec. 2.

Malik has no known family in the country and appears to have little to no relationship with relatives abroad. Although her family reportedly lives in Saudi Arabia, a spokesperson for the Kingdom’s embassy in Washington said the Saudis take no responsibility for her funeral. Likewise, officials in her native Pakistan said they have received no transport requests and have no plans to step up.
 

When asked if it would underwrite Malik’s funeral, Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim group which has represented Farook’s family since the attack, declined an answer responding only with a detailed description of an Islamic burial.So, adding insult to injury, it appears that if no one steps up, she will likely be cremated at taxpayers’ expense, a fate forbidden by Islamic law for even the most reviled radical killers.

Respect for the dead is so important to Muslims that Daniel Akbari, a certified Sharia lawyer and Islamic expert for the Supreme Court of Iran, predicted Malik will eventually get a religious-adherent sendoff. “Since it is obligatory to bury a Muslim’s dead body, many Islamic institutions will probably be willing to do the burial,” he said. “Some might be cautious and wait to see if others do the job. But what is certain is that Farook and his wife will be buried in an Islamic way.”

Paying for the funeral of Malik would be a public relations disaster for anyone, said local attorney Troy Slaten, who predicted taxpayers will foot the bill for a cremation. “If nobody claims a body, it is turned over to the public administrator, who will handle it civilly and not religiously,” said local attorney Troy Slaten. “Cremation is usually standard because it’s the cheapest option.”

Attorney David Wohl agreed. “The state is not going to care about religious tradition,” Wohl said. “She was a terrorist.”

Read more at http://universalfreepress.com/unwanted-terrorist-body-of-tashfeen-malik-remains-unclaimed/
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: rangerrebew on December 13, 2015, 10:39:26 am
Report: Jihadi Bride Passed 3 Visa Background Checks Despite Online Posts About Violent Jihad

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Tashfeen Malik, the Pakistani woman who killed 14 people with her husband in San Bernardino earlier this month, openly advocated violent jihad on her social media accounts before coming to the U.S., but government officials approved her fiancee visa anyway, The New York Times reports.

Law enforcement officials discovered the posts, according to The Times. Had authorities found the messages when Malik applied last year for a K-1 fiancee visa to come to the U.S. with her husband, Syed Farook, she likely would not have been approved for entry. But, as The Times notes, immigration officials rarely check applicants’ social media posts for red flags. And female applicants are generally subject to less scrutiny than male applicants.

As one former senior Homeland Security Investigations officials told The Times, visa applicants’ identities are run against federal terror watch list databases, and if the person is not flagged during that process, they are usually not subject to further investigation.

Malik, who was born in Pakistan but grew up in Saudi Arabia, went through three separate screenings before being granted a green card. That despite the reportedly inflammatory social media posts and her reported association with radical elements as a student in Pakistan.

The first screening Malik went through was a criminal background and national security database check conducted by the Department of Homeland Security. The State Department conducted the second check, when the agency compared her fingerprints against national security databases. Lastly, she was interviewed by officials in the U.S. when she applied for her green card after marrying Farook.

The 29-year-old Malik also went through two in-person interviews, The Times reported — one with a consular officer in Pakistan and the other with an immigration officer in the U.S. during the green card application process.

Farook, who was born in Chicago and is of Pakistani descent, was also vetted by the feds. His background reportedly came back clean as well, as he was not on federal terror watch lists or a no-fly list.

That, too, has become a cause of concern. Farook was reportedly in the same social circle as one of four men arrested near San Bernardino in 2012 for plotting to recruit al-Qaeda fighters. It is still unclear how close Farook was to the would-be recruiter, who was recently sentenced to 25 years in prison for providing material support to terrorists.

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Post by: Sanguine on December 13, 2015, 05:50:42 pm
Report: Jihadi Bride Passed 3 Visa Background Checks Despite Online Posts About Violent Jihad

Posted By Chuck Ross On 4:21 PM 12/12/2015 In | No Comments

Tashfeen Malik, the Pakistani woman who killed 14 people with her husband in San Bernardino earlier this month, openly advocated violent jihad on her social media accounts before coming to the U.S., but government officials approved her fiancee visa anyway, The New York Times reports.

Law enforcement officials discovered the posts, according to The Times. Had authorities found the messages when Malik applied last year for a K-1 fiancee visa to come to the U.S. with her husband, Syed Farook, she likely would not have been approved for entry. But, as The Times notes, immigration officials rarely check applicants’ social media posts for red flags. And female applicants are generally subject to less scrutiny than male applicants.

As one former senior Homeland Security Investigations officials told The Times, visa applicants’ identities are run against federal terror watch list databases, and if the person is not flagged during that process, they are usually not subject to further investigation.

Malik, who was born in Pakistan but grew up in Saudi Arabia, went through three separate screenings before being granted a green card. That despite the reportedly inflammatory social media posts and her reported association with radical elements as a student in Pakistan.

The first screening Malik went through was a criminal background and national security database check conducted by the Department of Homeland Security. The State Department conducted the second check, when the agency compared her fingerprints against national security databases. Lastly, she was interviewed by officials in the U.S. when she applied for her green card after marrying Farook.

The 29-year-old Malik also went through two in-person interviews, The Times reported — one with a consular officer in Pakistan and the other with an immigration officer in the U.S. during the green card application process.

Farook, who was born in Chicago and is of Pakistani descent, was also vetted by the feds. His background reportedly came back clean as well, as he was not on federal terror watch lists or a no-fly list.

That, too, has become a cause of concern. Farook was reportedly in the same social circle as one of four men arrested near San Bernardino in 2012 for plotting to recruit al-Qaeda fighters. It is still unclear how close Farook was to the would-be recruiter, who was recently sentenced to 25 years in prison for providing material support to terrorists.

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Yes, they need greater powers to collect even more data so that they can... well, ignore it too, I guess. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 13, 2015, 05:52:53 pm
Radioactive radical: Body of San Bernardino jihadist bride unclaimed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/11/martyr-scorned-body-san-bernardino-jihadist-bride-unclaimed/?intcmp=hpbt3

Someone from CAIR will quietly claim the body and we'll never know about it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: truth_seeker on December 13, 2015, 06:07:47 pm
Much evidence of incompetence, careless disregard of Americans safety by the Obama-Hillary Clinton administration.

Democrats cannot be trusted with national or domestic security. A fruitful campaign theme, for the GOP next November.

Title: Re: BREAKING: ACTIVE SHOOTER IN SAN BERNARDINO
Post by: Carling on December 13, 2015, 06:50:15 pm
Much evidence of incompetence, careless disregard of Americans safety by the Obama-Hillary Clinton administration.

Democrats cannot be trusted with national or domestic security. A fruitful campaign theme, for the GOP next November.

Trump and Cruz are already running on it, yet the GOPe-ers are mocking them for trying to do something as obvious as restrict immigration until the vetting process improves.