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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: jpsb on October 29, 2018, 02:22:21 pm
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Military to Deploy 5,000 Troops to Southern Border
The U.S. military plans to deploy 5,000 troops to the southwest U.S. border in anticipation of a caravan of would-be asylum seekers and migrants currently moving northward in Mexico, U.S. officials said Monday.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650?mod=djemalertNEWS (https://www.wsj.com/articles/military-to-deploy-5-000-troops-to-southern-border-u-s-officials-say-1540820650?mod=djemalertNEWS)
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Excellent news.
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Depends on what they're being sent to do and if they are armed or not.
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Depends on what they're being sent to do and if they are armed or not.
From what I've read, they're mostly engineers and military policemen. IMO, that's far preferable to deploying several infantry battalions. MP's are trained in riot control and law enforcement, and the engineers can be used to construct additional barriers. It will allow the Border Patrol and ICE to do their jobs unfettered.
If that is the plan, I applaud Trump.
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If that is the plan, I applaud Trump.
Save your applause for Mattis. There’s no way Trump knows which troops would make the most sense and why. Mostly likely, we haven’t had a CiC with that depth of understanding since Eisenhower.
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Save your applause for Mattis. There’s no way Trump knows which troops would make the most sense and why.
And yet, President Trump is the CIC ... and you're not. :tongue2:
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And yet, President Trump is the CIC ... and you're not. :tongue2:
I’m OK with being a good man, husband, and father - three things he could never claim. :cool:
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Trump sends 5,200 troops backed 150 miles of razor wire and Blackhawks, drones and C-130s in the air to the Mexican border to 'deter' caravan from ever arriving - as agents rehearse for riots in El Paso
Daily Mail/UK, Oct 29, 2018
The Pentagon is dispatching 5,200 active military troops to 'harden' the southern border and comply with President Donald Trump's order to deter an immigrant caravan the president called an 'invasion', it said Monday.
Eight hundred troops were already en route Monday – a force the Defense Department is dramatically increasing by adding helicopter companies and engineers who are bringing 'heavy equipment.'
In total DOD is sending 5,200 troops to 'harden' the border, the Pentagon said at a briefing Monday.
'We'll reinforce along priority points of entry so as to enhance [Border Patrol]’s ability to harden and secure the border,†said Gen. Terrence O'Shaughnessy Monday.
The forces are 'just the start' of the operation,' he said.
The 800 troops en route are in addition to the more than 2,000 members of the National Guard already providing assistance at the border now. Officials say the troops will provide "mission enhancing capabilities" and will be armed.
'We are bringing three helicopter companies in. They are enhanced with optics and censors that will allow them to operate at night and provide assistance to bring our [border patrol] personnel exactly where they need to be regardless of the conditions,' he said.
The Pentagon says the added forces will be able to 'spot, identify groups and rapidly deploy' personnel as need.
'The helicopters will ensure the agents can arrive in the most austere locations and fast-rope down and conduct and work the law enforcement activities,' said Gen. O'Shaughnessy.
The dramatic dispatch of U.S. forces to the border comes just days before the off-year elections, with Democratic critics arguing Trump is using the perceived threat of the caravan to motivate his political base.
According to the Pentagon forces will first build up in southern Texas and Arizona, then California.
Priority will go to 'harden' points of entry.
The engineering battalions have expertise in 'building temporary vehicle barriers, fencing and are bringing in heavy equipment,' according to the Pentagon.
Among those ordered to the border will be military police, engineers, and Marines.
The latest plans would have the Defense Department order 1,800 troops to Texas, 1,700 to Arizona, and 1,500 to California.
The report noted that the contingent would exceed the U.S. forces currently in Syria and Iraq, and equal half of the U.S. deployment in Afghanistan.
The new forces are expected to provide logistical assistance such as air support and equipment, including vehicles and tents.
The influx of troops comes as the caravan is shrinking, although another is being formed.
The caravan, which has had as many as 7,200 migrants, has dwindled to roughly 4,000. It took a day of rest in Tapanatepec on Sunday but vowed to press on to the U.S. border. The border is still at least 900 miles away, a daunting obstacle to migrants, many traveling with their families on foot.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6330911/Pentagon-says-5-000-troops-deploy-border-Friday-deter-immigrant-caravan.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6330911/Pentagon-says-5-000-troops-deploy-border-Friday-deter-immigrant-caravan.html)
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Some 5,200 US troops deploying to southern border in response to migrant caravan
Fox News, Oct 29, 2018
Roughly 5,200 U.S. troops will be deploying to the southern border in response to the migrant caravan pushing north through Mexico, U.S. officials told Fox News on Monday.
“We'll reinforce along priority points of entry so as to enhance [Border Patrol]’s ability to harden and secure the border,†Air Force Gen. Terrence O’Shaughnessy, head of U.S. Northern Command said at a news conference in Washington, D.C., adding that the deployment would be completed by the "end of this week."
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There are three planned staging areas: in South Texas, Arizona and California, for what's now been dubbed Operation Faithful Patriot. The mission's U.S. ground commander is Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey S. Buchanan, who was sent to Puerto Rico last year to lead Hurricane Maria relief efforts.
The troops are coming from military posts including Fort Bragg, Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Fort Stewart, Fort Campbell, Fort Riley and Fort Knox. The deployment includes three medium-lift helicopter companies with night vision equipment. O'Shaughnessy added that 22 miles of barbed wire already had been sent to the southern border and Air Force C-130s and other cargo planes would be used to deliver additional Border Patrol personnel.
President Trump, meanwhile, has called for the caravan to turn back and warned its members that the military “is waiting for you!â€
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5000-troops-deploying-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5000-troops-deploying-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan)
Emphasis in bold is mine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synvBBDinJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synvBBDinJ8)
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Sounds like a "robust" operation: barbed wire, helicopters with night vision, UAVs, soldiers to “back up†security forces... and per the DOD press conference (above) "this is the beginning".
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One of the women they interviewed on Fox news also mentioned that medical personal would be part of the troops deployed there and that field hospitals would be set up to treat the incoming horde. So bleep wonderful. *****rollingeyes*****
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One of the women they interviewed on Fox news also mentioned that medical personal would be part of the troops deployed there and that field hospitals would be set up to treat the incoming horde. So bleep wonderful. *****rollingeyes*****
I didn't hear that in the DOD news conference.
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One of the women they interviewed on Fox news also mentioned that medical personal would be part of the troops deployed there and that field hospitals would be set up to treat the incoming horde. So bleep wonderful. *****rollingeyes*****
O'Shaughnessy said the military would work alongside U.S. Customs and Border Protection to shore up the border beginning in Texas, followed by Arizona and California.
Three combat engineer battalions, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, troops specialized in aviation, medical treatment and logistics, as well as helicopters with night-vision capabilities and sensors.
https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/US/2018/10/29/US-to-deploy-5200-troops-to-the-Mexican-border/6431540852411/ (https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/US/2018/10/29/US-to-deploy-5200-troops-to-the-Mexican-border/6431540852411/)
The reinforcements headed to the U.S.-Mexico border are support troops – not combat troops – and will include three engineering battalions with "heavy equipment", as well as aviation and medical personnel. Most of the troops are on active duty and will carry weapons, but will not be part of any law enforcement effort in deference to the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces in a domestic police role.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5000-troops-deploying-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Internal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29&utm_content=Yahoo%20Search%20Results (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5000-troops-deploying-to-us-mexico-border-in-response-to-migrant-caravan?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Internal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29&utm_content=Yahoo%20Search%20Results)
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I didn't hear that in the DOD news conference.
I was only half paying attention to all of it. I don't recall if her interview was before or after the DOD news conference, but it was separate from it.
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The reputation of the CBs is good, I understand. It depends on what they are willing to deploy in defense of the country. Barbwire? Concertina? Jersey Barriers?
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The reputation of the CBs is good, I understand. It depends on what they are willing to deploy in defense of the country. Barbwire? Concertina? Jersey Barriers?
CBs?
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CBs?
@Cyber Liberty
Homeland Security and Pentagon officials said Monday that they will send 5,200 troops, military helicopters and giant spools of razor wire to the Mexican border in the coming days to brace for the arrival of Central American migrants President Trump is calling “an invasion.â€
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CBs?
Seabees?
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CBs?
A kewl 2-way radio I had in my car in the 70's. "Breaker 19!"
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Seabees?
I haven't seen anything about the Navy going there.
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From what I've read, they're mostly engineers and military policemen. IMO, that's far preferable to deploying several infantry battalions. MP's are trained in riot control and law enforcement, and the engineers can be used to construct additional barriers. It will allow the Border Patrol and ICE to do their jobs unfettered.
If that is the plan, I applaud Trump.
There's some logisticians and medics going as well. :whistle:
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I haven't seen anything about the Navy going there.
Just remember the Dept of the Navy is not constrained by the Posse Comitatus Act. Neither is the Coast Guard.
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Just remember the Dept of the Navy is not constrained by the Posse Comitatus Act. Neither is the Coast Guard.
While the act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the act force with respect to those services as well.
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A new group of Central American migrants bound for the U.S. border waded across the Suchiate River, that connects Guatemala and Mexico, on Monday. The first group was able to cross the river on rafts — an option now blocked by Mexican Navy river and shore patrols.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqtH65oX0AASfUk.jpg)
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https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/troops-arrive-in-brownsville-expected-on-the-border/article_49fadfb2-dba4-11e8-bf9d-4704582455f4.html (https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/troops-arrive-in-brownsville-expected-on-the-border/article_49fadfb2-dba4-11e8-bf9d-4704582455f4.html)
Troops arrive in Brownsville, 5,000 expected on the border
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/brownsvilleherald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/ea/4eace1fa-dba8-11e8-a1a2-eb23c4669897/5bd751178d049.image.jpg)
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https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/troops-arrive-in-brownsville-expected-on-the-border/article_49fadfb2-dba4-11e8-bf9d-4704582455f4.html (https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/troops-arrive-in-brownsville-expected-on-the-border/article_49fadfb2-dba4-11e8-bf9d-4704582455f4.html)
Troops arrive in Brownsville, 5,000 expected on the border
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/brownsvilleherald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/ea/4eace1fa-dba8-11e8-a1a2-eb23c4669897/5bd751178d049.image.jpg)
"The troops are expected to perform a wide variety of functions such as transporting supplies for the Border Patrol, but not engage directly with migrants seeking to cross the border from Mexico, officials said."
5,000 errand boys.
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5,000 errand boys.
Trust me we're not going to be that. We have an ROE in place...and we are going with ammo.
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Trust me we're not going to be that. We have an ROE in place...and we are going with ammo.
Apparently the "officials" don't know that.
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https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Kansas-troops-headed-to-US-Mexico-border-498937171.html (https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Kansas-troops-headed-to-US-Mexico-border-498937171.html)
FORT RILEY, Kan. (KWCH) Troops from Kansas will be among the 5,200 headed to the U.S.-Mexico border.
NPR reports that Fort Riley is one of the Army bases which will deploy active-duty personnel to support the Department of Homeland Security and Customs Border Protection.
Engineers, planners, military police, pilots, cooks and medical personnel are among those set to report.
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Apparently the "officials" don't know that.
Or perhaps they aren't releasing what the "officials" know to the general public.
Keep in mind Roos who I work for. Not saying that as a brag...
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Keep in mind Roos who I work for. Not saying that as a brag...
What the hell does it matter what they are doing at Costco? It has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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Or perhaps they aren't releasing what the "officials" know to the general public.
Keep in mind Roos who I work for. Not saying that as a brag...
I hope you're right.
Oh, also, could I get some of those great hot dogs y'all have?
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I hope you're right.
Oh, also, could I get some of those great hot dogs y'all have?
Looking for a good hot dog? I got a place.
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Looking for a good hot dog? I got a place.
Hot dogs from PA? Gross, I bet those things are yucko.
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I hope you're right.
Oh, also, could I get some of those great hot dogs y'all have?
Gotta trust me on this one Roos.
Not sure how to get you the hot dogs though. :shrug:
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Hot dogs from PA? Gross, I bet those things are yucko.
First off Roos you ignorant slut, it's spelled Yocco's. Secondly they are way better then those greasy wieners Tex plays with at Costco.....
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0d/da/b8/a2/yocco-s-support-your.jpg)
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Gotta trust me on this one Roos.
Not sure how to get you the hot dogs though. :shrug:
Great, sounds like I'll have to settle for Frank's lil' smokey. *****rollingeyes*****
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First off Roos you ignorant slut, it's spelled Yocco's. Secondly they are way better then those greasy wieners Tex plays with at Costco.....
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0d/da/b8/a2/yocco-s-support-your.jpg)
OMG, a restaurant that actually named itself Yuckos? Hilarious.
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OMG, a restaurant that actually named itself Yuckos? Hilarious.
Listen here you vile shrub. I refuse to take any cuisine advise from people who eat grits.
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Listen here you vile shrub. I refuse to take any cuisine advise from people who eat grits.
Kiss my grits.
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Kiss my grits.
Grits with butter are awesome!
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Grits with butter are awesome!
Christ. I walk among the heathens at this place.
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Christ. I walk among the heathens at this place.
From the guy that recommends Spam? Get the eff out of here.
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From the guy that recommends Spam? Get the eff out of here.
Spam with butter is awesome!!!!
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From the guy that recommends Spam? Get the eff out of here.
@RoosGirl
Gotta remember we're dealing with a Yankee slum lord here. He'd rather eat a New England Salt Fish Dinner or Codfish Balls with a Coffemilk than enjoy the finer southern food delights.
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@RoosGirl
Gotta remember we're dealing with a Yankee slum lord here. He'd rather eat a New England Salt Fish Dinner or Codfish Balls with a Coffemilk than enjoy the finer southern food delights.
bleep Yankees, I'm surrounded by them. Drove down to So FLo today and half the cars on the Turnpike & I-95 were from NY, NJ, PA, MA & Canada. Of course driving in the left lane doing whatever speed they wanted, typically slower than I wanted to go. 9999hair out0000
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@RoosGirl
Gotta remember we're dealing with a Yankee slum lord here. He'd rather eat a New England Salt Fish Dinner or Codfish Balls with a Coffemilk than enjoy the finer southern food delights.
As opposed to boiling up mud bugs, otherwise known as crawfish, and sausage and calling it food.
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As opposed to boiling up mud bugs, otherwise known as crawfish, and sausage and calling it food.
Pretty sure the sausage is to cover the taste of the crawfish.
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Pretty sure the sausage is to cover the taste of the crawfish.
Thought that was what the hot sauce was for.
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Thought that was what the hot sauce was for.
That's to kill whatever the boiling doesn't.
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That's to kill whatever the boiling doesn't.
Sounds delightful. I should travel down south to enjoy some of that southern cuisine. I haven't had botulism for at least 10 or so years.
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OMG, a restaurant that actually named itself Yuckos? Hilarious.
I read it differently and figured the hotdog was so bad, it was responsible for breaking up The Beatles.
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Grits with butter are awesome!
Cheeeeeeezy grits. Make sure some of the sausage gravy slops on there too... Eggs on top.
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CBs?
Shorthand for Construction Battalion. Formed during WWII. They are experts in the use of Heavy equipment and construction of fortifications. They are the ones that build the stuff to protect he guys doing the shooting.
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Does Posse Comitatus apply in this type of situation?
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I hope you're right.
Oh, also, could I get some of those great hot dogs y'all have?
Someday I hope you'll explain the genesis of your opposition to serious discussion of human events @RoosGirl and what compels you to end it everywhere you visit. Claiming to be a bitch won't suffice.
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Someday I hope you'll explain the genesis of your opposition to serious discussion of human events @RoosGirl and what compels you to end it everywhere you visit. Claiming to be a bitch won't suffice.
QFT :amen:
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A Federal Judge will order them back to base.
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Spam with butter is awesome!!!!
Oh no, you eat spam? Gross.
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Someday I hope you'll explain the genesis of your opposition to serious discussion of human events @RoosGirl and what compels you to end it everywhere you visit. Claiming to be a bitch won't suffice.
The internet, ‘tis a very silly place rrthree
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Someday I hope you'll explain the genesis of your opposition to serious discussion of human events @RoosGirl and what compels you to end it everywhere you visit. Claiming to be a bitch won't suffice.
If I were you, I’d look elsewhere for a serious discussion of human events. wink777
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It's hard to find a thread that hasn't gone off the rails at some point. Let's just try to get it back on track, and stop me before I use another metaphor! :laugh:
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You’ve gotta love a lecture on serious discussions of human events from someone who posts threads about Melania’s smile and English Royal Family nonsense.
:silly:
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Someday I hope you'll explain the genesis of your opposition to serious discussion of human events @RoosGirl and what compels you to end it everywhere you visit. Claiming to be a bitch won't suffice.
I, and several others, have tried to have serious discussions with you. Inevitably that is tbe time you make some vapid comment about not spending your life here and needing to pick out throw pillows for the sun room. Take your slime trail elsewhere.
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A Federal Judge will order them back to base.
It wouldn't surprise me. Has anyone yet filed a lawsuit trying to prevent the U.S. from protecting its borders?
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I, and several others, have tried to have serious discussions with you. Inevitably that is tbe time you make some vapid comment about not spending your life here and needing to pick out throw pillows for the sun room. Take your slime trail elsewhere.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of throw pillows would you recommend for a Sun Room? Something light that won't fade (red is out)? I'd like to get some Sateen, but the cats love that too much.
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It wouldn't surprise me. Has anyone yet filed a lawsuit trying to prevent the U.S. from protecting its borders?
Should come any time now in the 9th Circus. Hawaii picked up the load last time, so I expect Washington or Oregon to step up.
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I, and several others, have tried to have serious discussions with you. Inevitably that is tbe time you make some vapid comment about not spending your life here and needing to pick out throw pillows for the sun room. Take your slime trail elsewhere.
Calm down @RoosGirl The sunroom "discussion" took place on the *fashion* thread .... and you were a part of it.
But I'm not talking about having a serious discussion with *me* .... I'm questioning why it is you spam everything thread shutting down meaningful discussion among anyone and everyone.
What compels you to do this?
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Should come any time now in the 9th Circus. Hawaii picked up the load last time, so I expect Washington or Oregon to step up.
Yep.
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You’ve gotta love a lecture on serious discussions of human events from someone who posts threads about Melania’s smile and English Royal Family nonsense.
:silly:
That’s your knock on @Right_in_Virginia ? That she’s knowledgeable and has wide ranging taste and interests? Picky, picky, picky.
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Quote from: edpc on Today at 09:34:02 AM
You’ve gotta love a lecture on serious discussions of human events from someone who posts threads about Melania’s smile and English Royal Family nonsense.
:silly:
I hope you notice that I do this posting on the threads specifically designated for it. I don't interrupt serious discussions on any other thread with this @edpc
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On that note, let's get away from each other as the topic of conversation, and back to the migrant invasion.
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On that note, let's get away from each other as the topic of conversation, and back to the migrant invasion.
Oh good, I was really feeling pressured to reveal something private about myself on a public forum.
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Quote from: edpc on Today at 09:34:02 AM
I hope you notice that I do this posting on the threads specifically designated for it. I don't interrupt serious discussions on any other thread with this @edpc
Please, RiV....
You amble into threads with comments not directly related to the subject matter that amuse yourself and think deserves a :smokin: on a regular basis. Spare us the faux indignation.
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Someday I hope you'll explain the genesis of your opposition to serious discussion of human events @RoosGirl and what compels you to end it everywhere you visit. Claiming to be a bitch won't suffice.
I don't understand what's keeping you from a serious discussion?
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I don't understand what's keeping you from a serious discussion?
88devil
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I'd like to hear from all the folks that were complaining about Trump not being serious about
stopping the "caravan" (Mob) from storming the border. What say you now?
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I'd like to hear from all the folks that were complaining about Trump not being serious about
stopping the "caravan" (Mob) from storming the border. What say you now?
What I've read does not leave me confident that they will be stopped permanently.
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What I've read does not leave me confident that they will be stopped permanently.
We sent thousands of troops to the border. What else would you like us to do considering the hoards are currently in a foreign country?
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What I've read does not leave me confident that they will be stopped permanently.
OK Madame President, what would you do?
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We sent thousands of troops to the border. What else would you like us to do considering the hoards are currently in a foreign country?
It's the type of troops and their normal "jobs" that concern me. It seems like they will be there to sort, categorize and relocate instead of keeping them from crossing to this side.
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OK Madame President, what would you do?
Fire hoses are pretty effective on mobs.
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Fire hoses are pretty effective on mobs.
LOL, I'd shoot a few (after a couple of warning shots of course) but fire hoses are fine with me too.
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It's the type of troops and their normal "jobs" that concern me. It seems like they will be there to sort, categorize and relocate instead of keeping them from crossing to this side.
The type of troop? Did we send a pack of immigration lawyers and federal employees or did we send a bunch of military men who are trained in hand to hand combat?
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It's the type of troops and their normal "jobs" that concern me. It seems like they will be there to sort, categorize and relocate instead of keeping them from crossing to this side.
"When they are captured, we don't let them out," Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "We're not letting them out ... We're not catching, we're not releasing ... We're not letting them into this country."
"We're going to put tents up all over the place," the president said. "We're not going to build structures and spend ... hundreds of millions of dollars. We're going to have tents, they're going to be very nice and they're going to wait and if they don't get asylum, they get out."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-caravan-migrants-are-wasting-their-time (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-caravan-migrants-are-wasting-their-time)
Apparently, it’s going to be a big camp out. :shrug:
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Fire hoses are pretty effective on mobs.
I'm not so sure about that. Right now there is a group of >7,000, but I expect it to fracture into a thousand groups of 7 or more, spread out for weeks. If we have a nice, tidy clot of invaders a fire hose would be great, I just don't think that's the form the attackers will be in by the time they show up here.
I must admit I have no idea what effect adding these Regular Army units is going to have on this. It hasn't been done before so I am more hopeful than I was in the Spring assault when we sent NG units to push paper. We'll just have to wait and see.
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The type of troop? Did we send a pack of immigration lawyers and federal employees or did we send a bunch of military men who are trained in hand to hand combat?
Per an article posted in this thread yesterday:
"The troops are expected to perform a wide variety of functions such as transporting supplies for the Border Patrol, but not engage directly with migrants seeking to cross the border from Mexico, officials said."
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I'd like to hear from all the folks that were complaining about Trump not being serious about
stopping the "caravan" (Mob) from storming the border. What say you now?
I say it remains to be seen whether or not these troops and their mere presence at the border will actually stop any of those migrants from coming into America. I still have my doubts. Especially since Trump, himself, made the caveat that they wouldn't get in unless "legally". That equates, to me, that they will be "processed" in that 'catch and release' BS program we have currently.
Prove me wrong.
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"When they are captured, we don't let them out," Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "We're not letting them out ... We're not catching, we're not releasing ... We're not letting them into this country."
"We're going to put tents up all over the place," the president said. "We're not going to build structures and spend ... hundreds of millions of dollars. We're going to have tents, they're going to be very nice and they're going to wait and if they don't get asylum, they get out."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-caravan-migrants-are-wasting-their-time (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-caravan-migrants-are-wasting-their-time)
Apparently, it’s going to be a big camp out. :shrug:
Like this?
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Fire hoses are pretty effective on mobs.
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They are, but the optics of whites hosing minorities are poor. You know the Birmingham footage and Trump comparisons to Bull Connor are ready across the media outlets.
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I'm not so sure about that. Right now there is a group of >7,000, but I expect it to fracture into a thousand groups of 7 or more, spread out for weeks. If we have a nice, tidy clot of invaders a fire hose would be great, I just don't think that's the form the attackers will be in by the time they show up here.
I must admit I have no idea what effect adding these Regular Army units is going to have on this. It hasn't been done before so I am more hopeful than I was in the Spring assault when we sent NG units to push paper. We'll just have to wait and see.
I'm with you, waiting and seeing.
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They are, but the optics of whites hosing minorities are poor. You know the Birmingham footage and Trump comparisons to Bull Connor are ready across the media outlets.
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Per an article posted in this thread yesterday:
"The troops are expected to perform a wide variety of functions such as transporting supplies for the Border Patrol, but not engage directly with migrants seeking to cross the border from Mexico, officials said."
Yeah. I read some of those unnamed sourced articles too. Does it make any sense to you that we would send troops to the border to act as Uber drivers?
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I say it remains to be seen whether or not these troops and their mere presence at the border will actually stop any of those migrants from coming into America. I still have my doubts. Especially since Trump, himself, made the caveat that they wouldn't get in unless "legally". That equates, to me, that they will be "processed" in that 'catch and release' BS program we have currently.
Prove me wrong.
It's not possible to prove or disprove what you are saying, we haven't sent Regular Army into this task before. It's always been National Guard. RA is not in the habit of announcing what they're going to do in advance.
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Yeah. I read some of those unnamed sourced articles too. Does it make any sense to you that we would send troops to the border to act as Uber drivers?
Nope, but then it didn't make sense when we did it last time, so...
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Like this?
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Yes and how did that work out for Arpaio? He’s a convicted, then pardoned has-been, who is partly responsible for making AZ a contested state.
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What I've read does not leave me confident that they will be stopped permanently.
Me either, but I am not privy with the governments of border states and what they are saying about allowing troops in their state. But the federal government has one job even the most libertarian among us would agree upon, To Defend the Country from Invasion.
I just know that we all become border states when they allow unchecked immigration of illegals. The American public kids itself when it notices a huge group of illegals but ignores that 100s of thousands are people are crossing yearly and it gets ignored.
What do I think, I think Trump's suggestion to militarize our border with shoot to kill orders would be all that is required to stop the flow to a trickle and it would save lives in the long run (kids dying in the desert). Shoot 10 people and save 1000s of lives in the long run.
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Nope, but then it didn't make sense when we did it last time, so...
So when was this last time we sent 1000s of troop to one of our borders?
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So when was this last time we sent 1000s of troop to one of our borders?
2000 NG back in April I think it was, to do paperwork.
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@RoosGirl
You don’t have to GAF about the optics. The fact of the matter is, they really effed it up last time with the ineptitude and infighting over the zero tolerance and family separation policy. They took a political beating in that effort. Give this admin enough rope (or barbed wire) and they’ll tangle themselves in it, again.
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Yes and how did that work out for Arpaio? He’s a convicted, then pardoned has-been, who is partly responsible for making AZ a contested state.
The introduction of tent city and pink underwear was a high point in Arpaio's regime. Between the tents and the "Ladmo Bag" lunches, he saved the County a fortune and kept the Feds out of running the jail.
And you are giving him far too much credit for making the AZ Senate race contested, that was the work of Flake and McStain. Sinema was running for that seat since before Arpaio tangled with the Feds over Illegal Immigrant policy.
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It's not possible to prove or disprove what you are saying, we haven't sent Regular Army into this task before. It's always been National Guard. RA is not in the habit of announcing what they're going to do in advance.
Yeah, yeah, I know. That was just sarc on my part ... in before the snark response by jpsb....lol.
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@RoosGirl
You don’t have to GAF about the optics. The fact of the matter is, they really effed it up last time with the ineptitude and infighting over the zero tolerance and family separation policy. They took a political beating in that effort. Give this admin enough rope (or barbed wire) and they’ll tangle themselves in it, again.
Yeah, but there's nothing they can do to win the optics of the situation short of having welcome wagons handing out keys to new homes and cars as the invaders come through.
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2000 NG back in April I think it was, to do paperwork.
National Guard isn't real active duty military.
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And you are giving him far too much credit for making the AZ Senate race contested, that was the work of Flake and McStain. Sinema was running for that seat since before Arpaio tangled with the Feds over Illegal Immigrant policy.
There’s no question it’s a combination of McCain, Flake, and Arpaio. He also ran for that open seat and was a distant third, after losing his bid for sheriff two years prior. The prison may have once been his calling card, but Old Man Usta is dead.
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They are, but the optics of whites hosing minorities are poor. You know the Birmingham footage and Trump comparisons to Bull Connor are ready across the media outlets.
Well...except for the part where our military and Border Patrol are very heavily black and hispanic. Other than that, you're right on target.... *****rollingeyes*****
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National Guard isn't real active duty military.
Ummm, don't tell them that.
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There’s no question it’s a combination of McCain, Flake, and Arpaio. He also ran for that open seat and was a distant third, after losing his bid for sheriff two years prior. The prison may have once been his calling card, but Old Man Usta is dead.
Arpaio's run for the seat was a fookin' joke. I have no idea why he did that, he's always polled very poorly in statewide races. He had no effect on the overall race, while the people actually in the race do.
I've known from the get-go this was not going to be an easy race, in fact I've been predicting it's a likely Rat pickup. Flake actually did us a service by dropping out.
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Well...except for the part where our military and Border Patrol are very heavily black and hispanic. Other than that, you're right on target.... *****rollingeyes*****
The press will say they're a bunch of Uncle Toms and Gringo Wannabes.
Personally, I don't think there will be an opportunity to use fire hoses.
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Pardon the interruption. I’m not a military tactician, but I play one on the Internet.
Go ahead, you all may continue with your...discussion.
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Pardon the interruption. I’m not a military tactician, but I play one on the Internet.
Go ahead, you all may continue with your...discussion.
I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.
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...I don’t know nuffin’ bout birthing no foreign policy, either. But, I play one on the Internet. wink777
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...I don’t know nuffin’ bout birthing no foreign policy, either. But, I play one on the Internet. wink777
I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.
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I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.
In all seriousness, I’m just impressed by how we sitting in our living rooms know so much more about events on the ground than the folks in this administration, with Donald Trump as ceo.
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In all seriousness, I’m just impressed by how we sitting in our living rooms know so much more about events on the ground than the folks in this administration, with Donald Trump as ceo.
I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.
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How serious can it get? At the moment it seems we're having a heavy debate on the maximum number of Angels that can dance on the head of a pin. We don't know how the Army's going to be used in this deal, those who do know aren't telling and we don't have a recent precedent to go by.
:shrug:
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Well...except for the part where our military and Border Patrol are very heavily black and hispanic. Other than that, you're right on target.... *****rollingeyes*****
I guess your definition of ‘heavily’ is a small percentage above the mean population. The statistics don’t support your claim for the military. The US pop is about 78% white and the military pop is about 70% white.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/)
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How serious can it get? At the moment it seems we're having a heavy debate on the maximum number of Angels that can dance on the head of a pin. We don't know how the Army's going to be used in this deal, those who do know aren't telling and we don't have a recent precedent to go by.
:shrug:
Oh bleep, don't tell @Right_in_Virginia or @aligncare that. We must keep this bullshit up and don't you dare have any fun doing it.
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How serious can it get? At the moment it seems we're having a heavy debate on the maximum number of Angels that can dance on the head of a pin. We don't know how the Army's going to be used in this deal, those who do know aren't telling and we don't have a recent precedent to go by.
:shrug:
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But ... you make a good point. I am encouraged by the news of troops going to the border, but as you say, it remains to be seen what those troops will actually do.
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I don't know why you people aren't interested in having a serious conversation.
What I’m saying is we finally have a president who has a lifetime of experience functioning at peak levels of performance in business, whose performed in office as advertised in the election.
So, I expect that the administration’s response to this invasion at the border is well planned and executed and that contingencies and follow ups are in place. Successful CEOS are just that way.
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What I’m saying is we finally have a president who has a lifetime of experience functioning at peak levels of performance in business, whose performed in office as advertised in the election.
So, I expect that the administration’s response to this invasion at the border is well planned and executed and that contingencies and follow ups are in place. Successful CEOS are just that way.
Yeah, we know. You've said that 50 times per day for 2 years. But please, continue admonishing those of us that don't have your stamina for extreme repetition.
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Oh bleep, don't tell @Right_in_Virginia or @aligncare that. We must keep this bullshit up and don't you dare have any fun doing it.
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(You're on Double-Secret Probation.)
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I guess your definition of ‘heavily’ is a small percentage above the mean population. The statistics don’t support your claim for the military. The US pop is about 78% white and the military pop is about 70% white.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/)
And, "hispanic" is included in "white", so your numbers are not relevant. It's complicated, I know.
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And, "hispanic" is included in "white", so your numbers are not relevant. It's complicated, I know.
Yes – it is very complicated to actually look at the data points in the article and see how black and hispanic were actually separated out from white. It’s also very confusing, whenever I fill out demographic or census information that says white, with the parenthetical (non hispanic). Really ponderous stuff.
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Yes – it is very complicated to actually look at the data points in the article and see how black and hispanic were actually separated out from white. It’s also very confusing, whenever I fill out demographic or census information that says white, with the parenthetical (non hispanic). Really ponderous stuff.
I think the racial make-up of the Army is irrelevant. "Bad optics" aren't made "better" by stacking the racial deck of the Army task force with minorities (of any kind). The Rats will just call the soldiers "Uncle Toms" and such.
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Yes – it is very complicated to actually look at the data points in the article and see how black and hispanic were actually separated out from white. It’s also very confusing, whenever I fill out demographic or census information that says white, with the parenthetical (non hispanic). Really ponderous stuff.
Since you didn't provide a link, I assumed you pulled that data out of...somewhere.
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Since you didn't provide a link, I assumed you pulled that data out of...somewhere.
That’s weird, because the link is in the quote to which you posted your asinine response. Maybe you should revisit your own reply. Talk about pulling things out of ‘somewhere.’
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That’s weird, because the link is in the quote to which you posted your asinine response. Maybe you should revisit your own reply. Talk about pulling things out of ‘somewhere.’
You're right - I tend to not even see Pew results. I was going for something more accurate, but that's not your problem.
You have neatly sidestepped both the hispanic issue and your original contention. The fact of the matter is that both blacks and hispanics are well-represented in the Border Patrol and military populations and it would not be an issue of white, Alabama cops turning water cannons on poor innocent citizens of the U. S. But, go with the theatrics.
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You're right - I tend to not even see Pew results. I was going for something more accurate, but that's not your problem.
You have neatly sidestepped both the hispanic issue and your original contention. The fact of the matter is that both blacks and hispanics are well-represented in the Border Patrol and military populations and it would not be an issue of white, Alabama cops turning water cannons on poor innocent citizens of the U. S. But, go with the theatrics.
Remember how credible Pew Research is, next time you hear Limbaugh citing them. He often does.
There was no sidestep, since the military deployment to the border and their role is the subject of the discussion. Given they are the border patrol, I just assume they were already there and we know what their function is. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s in their job title. <Nope>
Mod note: Insinuating another member has brain damage is prohibited.
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There was no sidestep, since the military deployment to the border and their role is the subject of the discussion. Given they are the border patrol, I just assume they were already there and we know what their function is. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s in their job title. <Nope>
*****rollingeyes*****
LOL, OK, I'm not going to answer your next post and that way you can get the last word in and "win" since that appears to be what you need.
Have at it.
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LOL, OK, I'm not going to answer your next post and that way you can get the last word in and "win" since that appears to be what you need.
Cool.....however, I’ve heard, at some point, I’m going to get tired of all this winning.
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So when was this last time we sent 1000s of troop to one of our borders?
Early 1900s to catch Geronimo.
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2000 NG back in April I think it was, to do paperwork.
National Guard is not the same as active duty military.
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National Guard is not the same as active duty military.
Like I said, I'll be happy if they're not there to patch up, sort and organize.
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National Guard is not the same as active duty military.
Ummm, don't tell them that.
@Sanguine
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Like I said, I'll be happy if they're not there to patch up, sort and organize.
#meeToo. :0001:
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I'm tired of our military being social workers rather than soldiers. I don't want them to go there to hand out cookies. I want them to defend the border but without, I hope, having to fire a weapon.
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I'm tired of our military being social workers rather than soldiers. I don't want them to go there to hand out cookies. I want them to defend the border but without, I hope, having to fire a weapon.
I hear they're bringing a crap-ton of Razor Wire. That would be nice.
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Sorry, but they are not active duty military. No disrespect intended.
@RoosGirl what seems likely to me is that military will house and guard illegals until they get
processed and deported. No more catch and release. More winning.
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Ummm, don't tell them that.
@Sanguine
Don't you have a yucko to be getting to?
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Don't you have a yucko to be getting to?
Yes I do, bye for now.
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Sorry, but they are not active duty military. No disrespect intended.
@RoosGirl what seems likely to me is that military will house and guard illegals until they get
processed and deported. No more catch and release. More winning.
Which would mean they are allowed to cross the border. Less winning.
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Ridiculous. Mexico is a sovereign nation. International borders should be respected. Sending troops across the border into Mexico would be an act of aggression. You know that.
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Ridiculous. Mexico is a sovereign nation. International borders should be respected. Sending troops across the border into Mexico would be an act of aggression. You know that.
What if Mexico asks for it? Just thinking out loud here, I don't really think Neito (whatever his name is) will do that.
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Ridiculous. Mexico is a sovereign nation. International borders should be respected. Sending troops across the border into Mexico would be an act of aggression. You know that.
Speaking of ridiculous, a couple of you keep saying that ^^ and yet I don't see anyone here who has said our troops should cross into Mexico.
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What if Mexico asks for it? Just thinking out loud here, I don't really think Neito (whatever his name is) will do that.
They seem fairly open to things when we pick up the tab.....
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-evaluating-us-offer-to-pay-for-deportation-of-migrants (https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-evaluating-us-offer-to-pay-for-deportation-of-migrants)
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Oh bleep, don't tell @Right_in_Virginia or @aligncare that. We must keep this bullshit up and don't you dare have any fun doing it.
Yes, @RoosGirl I see you. You can stop now.
Try and get out and mingle among real people, dear. You seem to need it.
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Yes, @RoosGirl I see you. You can stop now.
Try and get out and mingle among real people, dear. You seem to need it.
Speaking of getting out, isn't it about time for another one of your hissy fits where you flounce off threatening to never return, only to return a week later much to everyone's dismay?
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Yes, @RoosGirl I see you. You can stop now.
Try and get out and mingle among real people, dear. You seem to need it.
That bitch mingles plenty. You? Not so much.
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That bitch mingles plenty. You? Not so much.
Shouldn't that be a capital "B"?
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Shouldn't that be a capital "B"?
Yes mom.
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Shouldn't that be a capital "B"?
LOL
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That bitch mingles plenty. You? Not so much.
:laugh: Of course that bitch does ... mingling with imaginary people on small internet forums fills her days.
Me? Nah. You're right... I prefer mingling with people who are much more than a one dimensional avatar.
Vive la difference :beer:
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Foreign Policy (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/30/both-sides-are-overselling-trumps-troop-deployment-to-the-border/)
Both Sides Are Overselling Trump’s Troop Deployment to the Border
The active-duty troops will mostly be putting up razor wire and moving border police.
By Lara Seligman | October 30, 2018, 2:36 PM
President Donald Trump is deploying an additional 5,200 active-duty troops to the southern border of the United States in what he has tried to portray as an unprecedented effort to stem an “invasion†by a caravan of Central American migrants.
The deployment, dubbed Operation Faithful Patriot, is aimed at hardening security at the Mexican border and will bring the number of U.S. troops there to over 7,000—more than triple the number of U.S. forces in Syria as of last December.
That sounds like a massive number, and critics are already out slamming what they see as the militarization of the border just days before the U.S. midterm elections on Nov. 6. On the other side of the aisle, proponents of the move are touting “unprecedented†support for border security from the Defense Department.
But the actual facts of the deployment do not live up to the hype from either side. The move—coming right before crucial midterms while the caravan is more than a month away from reaching the U.S. border on foot—is arguably a political ploy. But it is far from unprecedented: Both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama deployed similar numbers of troops to the border during their times in office, though not during elections.
More important, once they arrive, the troops’ mission will be relatively benign. ... Rest of article (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/30/both-sides-are-overselling-trumps-troop-deployment-to-the-border/)
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Oh, FFS.....
999pumpkingum
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Foreign Policy (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/30/both-sides-are-overselling-trumps-troop-deployment-to-the-border/)
Both Sides Are Overselling Trump’s Troop Deployment to the Border
The active-duty troops will mostly be putting up razor wire and moving border police.
By Lara Seligman | October 30, 2018, 2:36 PM
President Donald Trump is deploying an additional 5,200 active-duty troops to the southern border of the United States in what he has tried to portray as an unprecedented effort to stem an “invasion†by a caravan of Central American migrants.
The deployment, dubbed Operation Faithful Patriot, is aimed at hardening security at the Mexican border and will bring the number of U.S. troops there to over 7,000—more than triple the number of U.S. forces in Syria as of last December.
That sounds like a massive number, and critics are already out slamming what they see as the militarization of the border just days before the U.S. midterm elections on Nov. 6. On the other side of the aisle, proponents of the move are touting “unprecedented†support for border security from the Defense Department.
But the actual facts of the deployment do not live up to the hype from either side. The move—coming right before crucial midterms while the caravan is more than a month away from reaching the U.S. border on foot—is arguably a political ploy. But it is far from unprecedented: Both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama deployed similar numbers of troops to the border during their times in office, though not during elections.
More important, once they arrive, the troops’ mission will be relatively benign. ... Rest of article (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/30/both-sides-are-overselling-trumps-troop-deployment-to-the-border/)
**nononono*
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:laugh: Of course that bitch does ... mingling with imaginary people on small internet forums fills her days.
Me? Nah. You're right... I prefer mingling with people who are much more than a one dimensional avatar.
Vive la difference :beer:
The only people I know that complain as much as you do are old women. First you didn't like me talking about a hot dog and now I'm not living my life the way you think I should. How about you bleep off and harrass someone else. I'm tired of your dumbassery.
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She said complaining to her audience....
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She said complaining to her audience....
Rumors that I delight in annoying your kind of people are vastly overstated.
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Oh, FFS.....
999pumpkingum
L M A O !!!!
(at the graphic, not the sentiment...lolol)
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verga asked:
"Does Posse Comitatus apply in this type of situation?"
I would think not.
I could be wrong, but the concept of Posse Comitatus refers to the use of military troops to perform policing amongst the citizen population.
Protecting the border against non-citizen INVADERS has nothing to do with that.
If the U.S. Army can't be deployed at the border to protect the nation against invaders, then what is purpose of HAVING one?
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verga asked:
"Does Posse Comitatus apply in this type of situation?"
I would think not.
I could be wrong, but the concept of Posse Comitatus refers to the use of military troops to perform policing amongst the citizen population.
Protecting the border against non-citizen INVADERS has nothing to do with that.
If the U.S. Army can't be deployed at the border to protect the nation against invaders, then what is purpose of HAVING one?
That's not going to stop the Rats from declaring it a violation, then they can file those Impeachment papers right along with the others. Dumb bleep voters of theirs will lap it up.
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Sighlass observed:
"What do I think, I think Trump's suggestion to militarize our border with shoot to kill orders would be all that is required to stop the flow to a trickle and it would save lives in the long run (kids dying in the desert). Shoot 10 people and save 1000s of lives in the long run."
Fishrrman's credo (once again):
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
You're an ice-hearted lady, Sighlass, but I agree completely with your astute comments.
Anyone who believes that ten thousand or more attempting to rush the border can be halted by anything less than bullets (at least a few fussilades of them) is a naive fool.
If Trump and the military can pull this off by other means, he will become unbeatable in 2020.
Of course, a WALL could prevent such a rush, if built high enough. This would still leave border crossings a weak point, but if necessary even they could be closed and re-designed with more security in mind.
And I don't give one whit about how "closing the borders" would affect the economy, at least in the short term until we can once again get control of our "southern front". What has to be done, has to be done.
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That's not going to stop the Rats from declaring it a violation, then they can file those Impeachment papers right along with the others. Dumb bleep voters of theirs will lap it up.
The rats will certainly twist, lie and misrepresent it to blame Trump, as usual. But for some reason... this time I don't think it will work. I have a feeling (call it a gut feeling) that this massive caravan of invaders has backfired on the idiots that started it. I think this year voters are going to be much more savvy and vote GOP. Hope so.
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From your lips (or keyboard) to God's ears, Xena!
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verga asked:
"Does Posse Comitatus apply in this type of situation?"
I would think not.
I could be wrong, but the concept of Posse Comitatus refers to the use of military troops to perform policing amongst the citizen population.
Protecting the border against non-citizen INVADERS has nothing to do with that.
If the U.S. Army can't be deployed at the border to protect the nation against invaders, then what is purpose of HAVING one?
@Fishrrman I can assure w you with the highest level of accuracy that we'll be able defend ourselves down there against militia groups and/or anyone in the caravan that confronts/threatens/attacks us.
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@Fishrrman I can assure w you with the highest level of accuracy that we'll be able defend ourselves down there against militia groups and/or anyone in the caravan that confronts/threatens/attacks us.
Yeah? What's the protocol for them just simply walking through and not threatening violence?
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Yeah? What's the protocol for them just simply walking through and not threatening violence?
What make you think that this rag tag group of azzholes is just going to stroll through the gates?
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What make you think that this rag tag group of azzholes is just going to stroll through the gates?
I ain't talking about the gates.
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I ain't talking about the gates.
A fellow Build the Waller. Top Notch!
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A fellow Build the Waller. Top Notch!
Yep, I'm a racist just like most people around here. *****rollingeyes*****
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Foreign Policy (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/30/both-sides-are-overselling-trumps-troop-deployment-to-the-border/)
Both Sides Are Overselling Trump’s Troop Deployment to the Bordernu
The active-duty troops will mostly be putting up razor wire and moving border police.
By Lara Seligman | October 30, 2018, 2:36 PM
President Donald Trump is deploying an additional 5,200 active-duty troops to the southern border of the United States in what he has tried to portray as an unprecedented effort to stem an “invasion†by a caravan of Central American migrants.
The deployment, dubbed Operation Faithful Patriot, is aimed at hardening security at the Mexican border and will bring the number of U.S. troops there to over 7,000—more than triple the number of U.S. forces in Syria as of last December.
That sounds like a massive number, and critics are already out slamming what they see as the militarization of the border just days before the U.S. midterm elections on Nov. 6. On the other side of the aisle, proponents of the move are touting “unprecedented†support for border security from the Defense Department.
But the actual facts of the deployment do not live up to the hype from either side. The move—coming right before crucial midterms while the caravan is more than a month away from reaching the U.S. border on foot—is arguably a political ploy. But it is far from unprecedented: Both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama deployed similar numbers of troops to the border during their times in office, though not during elections.
More important, once they arrive, the troops’ mission will be relatively benign. ... Rest of article (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/30/both-sides-are-overselling-trumps-troop-deployment-to-the-border/)
People forget, the military cannot enforce laws or arrest people, even those crossing the border. Their powers are limited.
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Does Posse Comitatus apply in this type of situation?
The DoD seems to think so.
Pentagon rejected request for troops to act as emergency law enforcement at border
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/politics/white-house-pentagon-troops-border/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/politics/white-house-pentagon-troops-border/index.html)
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Yeah? What's the protocol for them just simply walking through and not threatening violence?
We have to alert CBP.
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We have to alert CBP.
That's a damn shame.
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That's a damn shame.
Personally I couldn't agree more.
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Personally I couldn't agree more.
What does that mean?
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What does that mean?
Just that I wish the active duty military could do more to help more with border enforcement in situations like this than just be a support element.
Nothing says "don't come into my country illegally" like a platoon of Bradley Fighting Vehicles patrolling the border with live ammo and an infantry squad in the back ready to dismount at a moments notice.
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Just that I wish the active duty military could do more to help more with border enforcement in situations like this than just be a support element.
Nothing says "don't come into my country illegally" like a platoon of Bradley Fighting Vehicles patrolling the border with live ammo and an infantry squad in the back ready to dismount at a moments notice.
:thumbsup:
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Does Posse Comitatus apply in this type of situation?
Section 1385 of Title 18, United States Code (USC), states (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385):
“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.â€
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It's happening... Pictures from Texas:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrGTwcmUcAAGxIL.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrF55ofX0AIgmh1.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrF559rWwAAA2pN.jpg)
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Yes, troops are putting 1000 feet of barb wire under the bridge in Hidalgo, Texas.
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Yes, troops are putting 1000 feet of barb wire under the bridge in Hidalgo, Texas.
1000 feet? Wow, that'll make em turn around and head for home.
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1000 feet? Wow, that'll make em turn around and head for home.
"A thousand mile journey begins with a single step."
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R_in_Va, thanks for posting those pics above.
This is REALLY good to actually see happening.
I hope they put A LOT MORE of that up!
And CyberLiberty, you're absolutely correct!