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Title: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 01:22:04 pm
Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
By Brett Samuels - 09/13/18 08:44 AM EDT

President Trump on Thursday appeared to cast doubt on studies that found roughly 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico as a result of Hurricane Maria.

"3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths," Trump tweeted.

"As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000," he added.

".....This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico," Trump said in a subsequent tweet. "If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!"

more
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/406446-trump-questions-death-toll-of-hurricane-in-puerto-rico (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/406446-trump-questions-death-toll-of-hurricane-in-puerto-rico)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 01:22:44 pm
San Juan mayor blasts Trump for questioning Puerto Rican deaths: ‘This is what denial following neglect looks like’
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/406455-san-juan-mayor-blasts-trump-for-questioning-puerto-rican-deaths-this (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/406455-san-juan-mayor-blasts-trump-for-questioning-puerto-rican-deaths-this)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mountaineer on September 13, 2018, 01:28:17 pm
I don't know why he felt compelled to comment ( *****rollingeyes*****) but I doubt there were 3,000 dead. The PR authorities seem to be pulling death toll numbers out of their orifices.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 13, 2018, 01:30:32 pm
I don't know why he felt compelled to comment ( *****rollingeyes*****) but I doubt there were 3,000 dead. The PR authorities seem to be pulling death toll numbers out of their orifices.

The reported deaths include those that die in the following months that could reasonably be attributed to the widespread damage.  Lack of medical care and such.

ASCERTAINMENT OF THE
ESTIMATED EXCESS MORTALITY FROM
HURRICANE MARÍA IN PUERTO RICO
https://prstudy.publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/prstudy.publichealth.gwu.edu/files/reports/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: ABX on September 13, 2018, 01:31:16 pm
What an idiot.  Does be need a list of names or pictures? Maybe make it a coloring book and he will understand.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 13, 2018, 01:35:40 pm
What an idiot.  Does be need a list of names or pictures? Maybe make it a coloring book and he will understand.

Considering how much the PR's lied about what was happening down there, I would like the list of names. I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of there...

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/puerto-rico-plastic-bottles-ht-2-thg-180912_hpEmbed_22x9_992.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mountaineer on September 13, 2018, 01:37:49 pm
I certainly believe more than 6-18 died, but how can we accept what the utterly corrupt PR officials say - any more than DJT's tweet? The people in PR also say the feds did absolutely nothing to help - while millions of bottles of water sit at the airport, undistributed.

The real number is somewhere between 18 and 3,000, of that I'm reasonably certain!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 13, 2018, 01:46:32 pm
What an idiot.  Does be need a list of names or pictures? Maybe make it a coloring book and he will understand.

It is a 3rd world shit hole.  You would think they would have the decency to stack the rotting corpses in the hot sun for a photo op. 
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Restored on September 13, 2018, 01:47:40 pm
They can name everyone dead or missing. My guess is that lots of them left and never came back.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: skeeter on September 13, 2018, 01:50:07 pm
It is a 3rd world shit hole.  You would think they would have the decency to stack the rotting corpses in the hot sun for a photo op.
As soon as they figure a way to talk the corpses into returning from Brooklyn they will.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 13, 2018, 01:52:04 pm
They can name everyone dead or missing. My guess is that lots of them left and never came back.

The number does not include people who left.  The report used death certificates.  See my post above.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 01:56:55 pm
I don't think anyone knows exactly how many died for sure.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: ABX on September 13, 2018, 02:05:03 pm
Detailed styludy by George Washington University - 2975 deaths attributed to Maria.

https://publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/downloads/projects/PRstudy/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 13, 2018, 02:07:01 pm
Detailed styludy by George Washington University - 2975 deaths attributed to Maria.

https://publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/downloads/projects/PRstudy/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf

Thanks, I guess everyone just ignores my post #3 in this thread.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 13, 2018, 02:09:18 pm
Detailed styludy by George Washington University - 2975 deaths attributed to Maria.

https://publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/downloads/projects/PRstudy/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf

What eff is that bullshit. 
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: ABX on September 13, 2018, 02:12:27 pm
Thanks, I guess everyone just ignores my post #3 in this thread.

Who are you again? :)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: ABX on September 13, 2018, 02:13:04 pm
What eff is that bullshit.

Go ahead and post your analysis that shows a countering point.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 13, 2018, 02:17:27 pm
Detailed styludy by George Washington University - 2975 deaths attributed to Maria.

https://publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/downloads/projects/PRstudy/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf

That is the biggest load of unintelligible bullshit I have ever seen. It's 69 pages of redundant language and total guesswork.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: jmyrlefuller on September 13, 2018, 02:31:53 pm
Detailed styludy by George Washington University - 2975 deaths attributed to Maria.

https://publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/downloads/projects/PRstudy/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf
Texas and Florida both had similar hurricanes and nowhere near that kind of carnage. Either Puerto Rico's local officials botched this or a lot of people are lying.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 13, 2018, 02:40:29 pm
Go ahead and post your analysis that shows a countering point.

Right.  I don't need a bullshit study to counter your bullshit study to call it bullshit.

You suck at the internet.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: skeeter on September 13, 2018, 02:41:21 pm
That is the biggest load of unintelligible bullshit I have ever seen. It's 69 pages of redundant language and total guesswork.

Most people consider a storm's death toll the number of dead people they find when the sun comes out.

These academics took statistical anomalies over a 6 month post-storm window to determine who might reasonably have died, from any cause, as a consequence of the physical & societal disruption caused by the storm.

Bottom line, IMO, is the US reacted to the Puerto Rico storm as well as anyone could have expected and is not responsible for the PR's governmental incompetance.

And its total Bullsh*t the media is using PR's situation to try to set Trump up should anything really bad happen in the Carolinas in the next few days. Friggen ghouls.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 13, 2018, 02:52:35 pm
Texas and Florida both had similar hurricanes and nowhere near that kind of carnage. Either Puerto Rico's local officials botched this or a lot of people are lying.

Because Texas and Florida quickly recovered.  And our infrastructure was more than bailing wire and string to begin with.  Nearly all of Puerto Rico's problems are of their own making, but that doesn't bring the dead back to life.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 03:21:55 pm
President Trump unwittingly alerts the entire country to the Hurricane Maria death toll estimate he disputes
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/president-trump-unwittingly-alerts-the-entire-country-to-the-hurricane-maria-death-toll-estimate-he-disputes (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/president-trump-unwittingly-alerts-the-entire-country-to-the-hurricane-maria-death-toll-estimate-he-disputes)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mountaineer on September 13, 2018, 03:25:24 pm
Quote
... After saying for months that only 64 people died in the storm, the Puerto Rican government upped the death toll to 2,975 after a university study made the estimation.

“But the higher figure, based on the findings of researchers from George Washington University in a study commissioned by the US commonwealth’s government, is only an approximation, not a concrete list of names, according to Gov. Ricardo Rossello,” the report said.  ...
More from what admittedly is not an unbiased source (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/cnn-makes-up-hurricane-maria-death-toll-number-claims-trump-is-lying-for-disputing-it/), but if they're accurately quoting the report summation, that is significant.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 13, 2018, 03:29:18 pm
Either Puerto Rico's local officials botched this or a lot of people are lying.

I'm going with both.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mountaineer on September 13, 2018, 03:29:52 pm
Here's a link to the actual GWU report (https://prstudy.publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/prstudy.publichealth.gwu.edu/files/reports/Acertainment%20of%20the%20Estimated%20Excess%20Mortality%20from%20Hurricane%20Maria%20in%20Puerto%20Rico.pdf), pdf version.

Snippet:
Quote
No areas of the island were unaffected, but in its aftermath, some municipalities suffered greater increases in mortality. Figure 4 displays the estimated percentage increase in the crude mortality rates by municipality (not accounting for age distribution differences)  for the period inclusive of September-February 2017-18 relative to the average rate in the same period in 2015-16 and 2016-17 under displacement scenario. ...

 The official government estimate of 64  deaths from the hurricane is low primarily because the conventions used for causal attribution only a llowed for classification of deaths attributable directly to the  storm, e.g., those caused by structural collapse, flying debris, floods and drownings ...

During our broader study, we found that many physicians were not oriented in the appropriate certification protocol.     This translated into an inadequate indicator for monitoring mortality in the hurricane’s aftermath. Verification of attribution takes time,
while excess mortality estimation is a more immediate indicator.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 13, 2018, 03:33:42 pm
Considering how much the PR's lied about what was happening down there, I would like the list of names. I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of there...

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/puerto-rico-plastic-bottles-ht-2-thg-180912_hpEmbed_22x9_992.jpg)

I wonder how many people died from dehydration for want of some of that?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 03:37:20 pm
The 3000 number is just an estimation..when they produce a list of names or death certificates I'll believe it...you just can't throw a number out there without proof.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Bigun on September 13, 2018, 03:44:12 pm
Wonder if this might have had something to do with it!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-news-puerto-rico-mayor-arrested-corruption-20180707-story.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-news-puerto-rico-mayor-arrested-corruption-20180707-story.html)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 13, 2018, 03:45:44 pm
The 3000 number is just an estimation..when they produce a list of names or death certificates I'll believe it...you just can't throw a number out there without proof.

You should read the report linked here many times.

Quote
...We conducted interviews with 26
individuals involved in the death certification and
registration process to understand procedures under
normal conditions and whether and how these were
affected after the hurricane. In addition, we reviewed
legislation and manuals related to death certification
in Puerto Rico, as well as literature on death
certification in general and specifically in disasters.
With respect to quality of the death certificates
and coding for causes of death, we consulted the
relevant scientific literature. We conducted a series
of checks on the mortality dataset, assessing it for
completeness, timeliness, internal consistency
and the quality of cause of death reporting by
evaluating garbage codes, or mis-assignments,
in the underlying cause of death.....
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 13, 2018, 03:49:05 pm
You should read the report linked here many times.

So what? It's meaningless bullshit manufactured by people with an agenda.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: truth_seeker on September 13, 2018, 04:02:00 pm
That is the biggest load of unintelligible bullshit I have ever seen. It's 69 pages of redundant language and total guesswork.
From Execcutive Summary:

"Our study shows that physician lack of awareness of appropriate death certification practices after a natural disaster and the Government of Puerto Rico’s lack of communication about death certificate reporting prior to the 2017 hurricane season limited the count of deaths that were reported as related to Hurricane María"

In Other words, Doctors in PR too stupid to accurately report, and government in PR too inept to report.

Hence need outside study from GWU, to #1arrive at statistics which support the greatest amount of money to PR for the disaster. and #2 serve partisan political purposes.

**Since leaving the Paris Climate Accords, Der Fuhrer Trump has been responsible for twelvty gazillion dead babies, mostly brown ones.

Doctores in countries with dead brown babies, don't know how to count yet. Countries with brown babies,, don't know how to count.

So countries with dead brown babies, need outside experts, from George Washington School of Public Health, to count dead brown babies, on paper, submit final estimates to media, and fill out aid reuests.

So if your town has a natural disaster, or can just use more money from aid, hire GWU; a proven resource in the field of casualty countin' and reportin' and dat stuff, when dealin wif doctores what can't count.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 13, 2018, 04:19:19 pm


In Other words, Doctors in PR too stupid to accurately report, and government in PR too inept to report.



Just as I suspected......this report is racist.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 04:33:04 pm
DeSantis breaks with Trump over claim that Puerto Rico death toll was inflated
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/406519-desantis-breaks-with-trump-over-claim-that-puerto-rico-death-toll-was (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/406519-desantis-breaks-with-trump-over-claim-that-puerto-rico-death-toll-was)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: TomSea on September 13, 2018, 05:04:05 pm
Rush is on about this today, now DeSantis speaks out. I've got to think he should know what he's talking about but to me, all this does is put it back into the 'we don't know' column. DeSantis respectfully, could be telling voters in FL what he thinks they want to hear. Whether he has keen insight, I don't know.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mystery-ak on September 13, 2018, 05:09:02 pm
Rush just got through talking about this..I will post his comments when they are up on his site..

He did say this is just garbage and that if there were 3000 dead we would have heard about this long ago..
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mrclose on September 13, 2018, 05:35:45 pm
Go ahead and post your analysis that shows a countering point.

OK!
Take note of the link!

Puerto Rico population 3.4 million
Average life expectancy 80 years
Average deaths per year 42,500
Average deaths per month 3,500


The official death toll was 64

Quote
Officially, just 64 people died as a result of the storm that ravaged the island with nearly 150-mile-an-hour winds, cutting off power to 3.4 million Puerto Ricans. The last two fatalities were added to the death toll on Dec. 9.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/08/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-death-toll.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/08/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-death-toll.html)

maybe someone else needs to invest in crayons?


Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 13, 2018, 05:48:18 pm
but that doesn't bring the dead back to life.

The will be voting in the midterm.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: verga on September 13, 2018, 06:43:55 pm
I'm going with both.
@Frank Cannon Word for word,what I was thinking. Corrupt inept liberal leaning government (but I repeat myself) looking to embarrass Trump and the US after we bail their asses out. Gee who has an agenda?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 13, 2018, 07:24:57 pm
@Frank Cannon Word for word,what I was thinking. Corrupt inept liberal leaning government (but I repeat myself) looking to embarrass Trump and the US after we bail their asses out. Gee who has an agenda?

I live near a high Puerto Rican population area which means we took in a lot of folks from the hurricane which means my tenants took in a lot of family displaced from the hurricane. When I would ask them how it was down there they would all openly tell me that the place is a corrupt shithole and they weren't even sure if they wanted to go back.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 13, 2018, 11:06:51 pm
I live near a high Puerto Rican population area which means we took in a lot of folks from the hurricane which means my tenants took in a lot of family displaced from the hurricane. When I would ask them how it was down there they would all openly tell me that the place is a corrupt shithole and they weren't even sure if they wanted to go back.

Trump's fault....

obviously.
Title: Trump questions Puerto Rico death toll, prompting San Juan mayor to call him 'delusional' and 'paran
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 14, 2018, 04:30:24 am
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/13/donald-trump-without-evidence-questions-puerto-rico-death-toll/1288118002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/13/donald-trump-without-evidence-questions-puerto-rico-death-toll/1288118002/)

Quote
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump on Thursday questioned a report putting the death toll from last year's catastrophic hurricane in Puerto Rico at nearly 3,000. He also called the new estimate an effort by Democrats to discredit him.

San Juan's mayor described the president's claim as "delusional" and even prominent Republicans such as House Speaker Paul Ryan distanced themselves from Trump's tweets about Puerto Rico.

"This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico," Trump wrote on Twitter. "If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!"

He loves Puerto Rico and the poorly educated.  Has any President loved as much? 888heartkitty

Title: Re: Trump questions Puerto Rico death toll, prompting San Juan mayor to call him 'delusional' and 'p
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 14, 2018, 04:34:56 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040217897703026689

Quote
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...
5:37 AM - 13 Sep 2018

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040220855400386560

Quote
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

.....This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!
5:49 AM - 13 Sep 2018

I want to apologize for posting the words the President tweeted.  The fake news is constantly accusing the President of doing the things he did, and saying the things he said.  It's sad and I feel bad about being part of the self inflicted slander.
Title: Re: Trump questions Puerto Rico death toll, prompting San Juan mayor to call him 'delusional' and 'p
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2018, 06:23:48 am
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040217897703026689

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040220855400386560

I want to apologize for posting the words the President tweeted.  The fake news is constantly accusing the President of doing the things he did, and saying the things he said.  It's sad and I feel bad about being part of the self inflicted slander.

 :silly: 
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 06:29:17 pm
I don't know why he felt compelled to comment ( *****rollingeyes*****) but I doubt there were 3,000 dead. The PR authorities seem to be pulling death toll numbers out of their orifices.

@mountaineer

Because they challenged him by claiming he was responsible for the deaths of 3.000 people. HIM,not the hurricane.

He was also most likely right when he said they came up with that number by counting people killed by drug overdoses,traffic accidents,fights,and just old age.

The TRUTH is that if anybody is at fault for PR's dying that shouldn't have died,it is the corrupt and inept PR leadership that were more interested in selling the supplies than they were in issuing them.

Still,the wise  POLITICAL thing to have done was to remain silent and send out some spokesman to defend him using truths. Trump is not and has never been a politician,and that is his biggest advantage as well as his biggest weakness.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 06:30:33 pm
What an idiot.  Does be need a list of names or pictures? Maybe make it a coloring book and he will understand.

@AbaraXas

Did it ever occur to you that YOU are the idiot?

Of course not. After all,you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 06:34:06 pm
I certainly believe more than 6-18 died, but how can we accept what the utterly corrupt PR officials say - any more than DJT's tweet? The people in PR also say the feds did absolutely nothing to help - while millions of bottles of water sit at the airport, undistributed.

 

@mountaineer

Well,it is possible,even probable,that the average PR had no idea all those supplies were on the island. Their political leadership was telling them the gringos were not sending them help,and they believed it

As far as the 6-18 number,that was probably close to the actual number of people that died WHILE THE HURRICANE WAS CROSSING PR. This obviously didn't include the ones that died later as a result of the hurricane.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 06:36:45 pm
Texas and Florida both had similar hurricanes and nowhere near that kind of carnage. Either Puerto Rico's local officials botched this or a lot of people are lying.

@jmyrlefuller

Probably a combination of the two,with a HUGE dose of "The Dims need to make Trump look like someone that enjoys the deaths of non-white peep-pulls" for political purposes.
Title: Re: Trump questions Puerto Rico death toll, prompting San Juan mayor to call him 'delusional' and 'p
Post by: sneakypete on September 14, 2018, 06:43:33 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040217897703026689

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040220855400386560

I want to apologize for posting the words the President tweeted.  The fake news is constantly accusing the President of doing the things he did, and saying the things he said.  It's sad and I feel bad about being part of the self inflicted slander.

@Once-Ler

Don't let it worry your pointed little head. We all know it's your mama that needs to apologize.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 06:48:29 pm

Pres. Trump:  "Okay...so when I left the island you had recorded sixteen (16) people lost their lives.  We understand with power outages and some infrastructure to be cleared, that figure was confirmed to be sixty-eight (68) souls lost.  So we'll agree that our original figure was off by seventy-five percent (75%)"

Puerto Rico Official: "Mr. President, sir... we have some bad news.  I'm ashamed to admit but we were way off on those numbers of deaths due to Agnes".

Pres. Trump:  "What do you mean, 'we're way off?  Off where?   Do you have a list of names and what about habeus corpus...WTF are the bodies?  Okay...so what the number now, twice as much?  136?"   

Puerto Rico Official
:  "No sir we must go QUITE A BIT HIGHER!"

Pres. Trump:  "What??  Okay, I'm laughing here, what is it?  Ten times higher? 680 people died?  Is that it??"

PRO:  [starting to shake]  "Sir.  Much, much higher!  Higher!"

PT:  "I'm getting a little suspicious here...I mean, where are the lists....the bodies?   How much higher damnit?  TWENTY DAMNED TIMES??

1,360 !!!""

PRO: "Higher sir!........"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It's 46 times the original confirmed death toll.

It's getting that we cannot believe ANYTHING the media says about ANYTHING!
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 14, 2018, 06:52:19 pm
Pres. Trump:  "Okay...so when I left the island you had recorded sixteen (16) people lost their lives.  We understand with power outages and some infrastructure to be cleared, that figure was confirmed to be sixty-eight (68) souls lost.  So we'll agree that our original figure was off by seventy-five percent (75%)"

Puerto Rico Official: "Mr. President, sir... we have some bad news.  I'm ashamed to admit but we were way off on those numbers of deaths due to Agnes".

Pres. Trump:  "What do you mean, 'we're way off?  Off where?   Do you have a list of names and what about habeus corpus...WTF are the bodies?  Okay...so what the number now, twice as much?  136?"   

Puerto Rico Official
:  "No sir we must go QUITE A BIT HIGHER!"

Pres. Trump:  "What??  Okay, I'm laughing here, what is it?  Ten times higher? 680 people died?  Is that it??"

PRO:  [starting to shake]  "Sir.  Much, much higher!  Higher!"

PT:  "I'm getting a little suspicious here...I mean, where are the lists....the bodies?   How much higher damnit?  TWENTY DAMNED TIMES??

1,360 !!!""

PRO: "Higher sir!........"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It's 46 times the original confirmed death toll.

It's getting that we cannot believe ANYTHING the media says about ANYTHING!

"Getting to be?"   :silly:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Frank Cannon on September 14, 2018, 07:01:05 pm
Just found the formula they used to come up with 3K dead....

(https://www.formstack.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/math-formula-chalkboard.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 14, 2018, 07:04:28 pm
If the Puerto Rican PTBs can't even be depended on to get the hurricane aid supplies to hurricane victims.... how the hell can they be counted on to come up with an accurate death toll?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2018, 07:12:29 pm
If the Puerto Rican PTBs can't even be depended on to get the hurricane aid supplies to hurricane victims.... how the hell can they be counted on to come up with an accurate death toll?

How many Puerto Ricans fled to Florida before the storm?  They stay on the mainland and they're counted as 'dead'?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: kidd on September 14, 2018, 08:13:55 pm
What an idiot. 
I agree.

It would have been best if Trump didn't say anything.
Nobody would blame him for 3000 deaths anymore than they would blame him for 18 deaths.

Now he's on the defensive and it only draws attention to anything he might have failed to do.

Idiot.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 14, 2018, 08:16:48 pm
I agree.

It would have been best if Trump didn't say anything.
Nobody would blame him for 3000 deaths anymore than they would blame him for 18 deaths.

Now he's on the defensive and it only draws attention to anything he might have failed to do.

Idiot.

 goopo

I knew there was something extra-idiotic about this but couldn't quite put my finger on it.  Thanks, you just did...
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 14, 2018, 11:06:42 pm
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040730663832498176
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

“They say all these people died in the storm in Puerto Rico, yet 70% of the power was out before the storm. So when did people start dying? At what point do you recognize that what they are doing is a political agenda couched in the nice language of journalism?”  @GeraldoRivera
3:35 PM - 14 Sep 2018

Better to be talking about this than Manafort and prison.


Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Fishrrman on September 15, 2018, 12:44:55 am
When it comes down to Mr. Trump or the governor of Puerto Rico... I know whom I'm believin'...
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 03:56:00 am
I wonder how many people died from dehydration for want of some of that?
A lot!  Who is in charge here?  Did Trump let them die?  Did the deep state let them die?  Did the rats make it all up?  Where was the media?  I know I can't trust the fake news, and Trump can't tell the truth even if it helps him.  I'm getting pissed.  Somebody needs to pay for this mismanagement.  Who is to blame?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 01:31:09 pm

@Once-Ler

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A lot!  Who is in charge here?
 

The Governor of Puerto Rico. You could at least TRY to follow along.

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Did Trump let them die?


No. He is busy working for America,not some little piss ant 3rd world island.

   
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I'm getting pissed.  Somebody needs to pay for this mismanagement.  Who is to blame?

You could at least TRY to pay attention. It's the Governor of PR,where the official PR mottor is "Iz not my yob,man!" I think that is even on their flag. If not,it should be.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 02:21:09 pm
A lot!  Who is in charge here?  Did Trump let them die?  Did the deep state let them die?  Did the rats make it all up?  Where was the media?  I know I can't trust the fake news, and Trump can't tell the truth even if it helps him.  I'm getting pissed.  Somebody needs to pay for this mismanagement.  Who is to blame?

Who is to blame?  The local authorities in PR.  Trump and FEMA did all they could do, but ultimately responsibility has to fall to those on the ground for getting the provisions into the hands of the afflicted.  Blaming Trump for the water fiasco is the same as saying "Bush hates black people" after Katrina.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 02:41:22 pm
Who is to blame?  The local authorities in PR.  Trump and FEMA did all they could do, but ultimately responsibility has to fall to those on the ground for getting the provisions into the hands of the afflicted.  Blaming Trump for the water fiasco is the same as saying "Bush hates black people" after Katrina.
So FEMA can drop off water at an airstrip and their job is done?  What exactly did FEMA and Trump do?  Trump says it's an unsung success story but refuses to sing about it.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: DCPatriot on September 15, 2018, 02:43:32 pm
Who is to blame?  The local authorities in PR.  Trump and FEMA did all they could do, but ultimately responsibility has to fall to those on the ground for getting the provisions into the hands of the afflicted.  Blaming Trump for the water fiasco is the same as saying "Bush hates black people" after Katrina.

It's as you say...PR authorities should have had a handle on distribution, or at least gathering manpower/transportation for when supplies arrive.

Instead they were any car owner standing on the side of the road while the tow truck operator somehow gets your vehicle up on that flatbed.    :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: mountaineer on September 15, 2018, 02:50:43 pm
So FEMA can drop off water at an airstrip and their job is done?  What exactly did FEMA and Trump do?  Trump says it's an unsung success story but refuses to sing about it.
Whenever it's flooded in my area,  FEMA came in and helped people with the paperwork to get assistance.  They didn't distribute bottled water. Locals, whether govt or volunteers,  did that.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 02:56:49 pm
Whenever it's flooded in my area,  FEMA came in and helped people with the paperwork to get assistance.  They didn't distribute bottled water. Locals, whether govt or volunteers,  did that.

I'm no expert on PR or FEMA, but I can't help thinking America expected more from them.  As I understand it parts of PR were without electricity for 11 months...Does FEMA ever follow up on this stuff, evaluate what was effective and what wasn't.  I'm sorry, but dropping off water and washing their hands of the rest does not sound like an unsung success story.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: skeeter on September 15, 2018, 02:57:31 pm
So FEMA can drop off water at an airstrip and their job is done?  What exactly did FEMA and Trump do?  Trump says it's an unsung success story but refuses to sing about it.


Yep. Drop off water AND process 462257 individual assistance applications, provide 1.2 billion dollars to individual PR households & 3.7 billion more in public assistance grants.

If FEMA can be faulted at all its that their estimates for potential disaster assistance were off, there were other hurricanes in the area prior to Maria that had already stretched their capacity.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 03:15:07 pm
Here is the GAO report on 2017 disasters.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/694231.pdf (https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/694231.pdf)

I'd be lying if I said I call this a "success"
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 03:27:08 pm
So FEMA can drop off water at an airstrip and their job is done?  What exactly did FEMA and Trump do?  Trump says it's an unsung success story but refuses to sing about it.

You forgot to highlight the other part of my post.

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... ultimately responsibility has to fall to those on the ground for getting the provisions into the hands of the afflicted.

Final distribution has to be done by local authorities.  They know best where the needs are.  I certainly would not want the feds deciding where the final nodes of delivery are.  FEMA cannot be held responsible when the locals refuse to do so properly, not in PR nor in NOLA.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 03:39:16 pm
You forgot to highlight the other part of my post.

I quoted it all.  I highlighted the part I found interesting "Trump and FEMA did all they could do"

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Final distribution has to be done by local authorities.  They know best where the needs are.  I certainly would not want the feds deciding where the final nodes of delivery are.  FEMA cannot be held responsible when the locals refuse to do so properly, not in PR nor in NOLA.

So big success, yeah?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 03:44:01 pm
I quoted it all.  I highlighted the part I found interesting "Trump and FEMA did all they could do"

Was the part you highlighted untrue?  You are acting like FEMA and Trump could have done more, so please list what more they should have done.  Be specific.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 06:43:56 pm
Was the part you highlighted untrue?  You are acting like FEMA and Trump could have done more, so please list what more they should have done.  Be specific.
To be fair President Trump did visit Puerto Rico 13 days after the disaster for about 4 hours.  He told the press that the emergency efforts were "nothing short of miraculous" and was thankful that the cat 5 hurricane wasn't a "real catastrophe like Katrina."  He then castigated the victims of hurricane Maria for throwing the "budget out of wack."  Then he lobbed some paper towels into a crowd.

I can't get inside President Trumps vacuous brain...but I see a man who wanted to believe something, his ego was challenged by the mayor of San Juan, who told us people were dying before Trump visited, and during the visit, and after the visit, but President Trump had already committed to his tweets and it's not like those brown people can vote.

HELP!!!  WE ARE DYING HERE.  MAYDAY!!!  I'M BEGGING!!! PLEASE!!! Said the mayor of San Juan till she was bleeding out of her whatever.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fadefJFQlGk#)

(https://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/unnamed-1.jpg)

(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201709/2017-09-30t23-03-42-266z--1280x720.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg)

The dead know President Trump does not take criticism well, and yes I think a real President...a good President could have done more than tweet and point fingers.

This does not look miraculous to me.

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180912152657-puerto-rico-water-bottles-super-tease.jpg)

President Trump sees an unsung success story.  Do you agree?

Sadly nobody was in charge and up to the task of saving lives...but you have assured me that Trump and FEMA did all they could do and FEMA cannot be held responsible Thank you Sean Hannity, and Thank You President Trump for assuring me those people aren't really dead.  #MAGA
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 06:54:11 pm
To be fair President Trump did visit Puerto Rico 13 days after the disaster for about 4 hours.  He told the press that the emergency efforts were "nothing short of miraculous" and was thankful that the cat 5 hurricane wasn't a "real catastrophe like Katrina."  He then castigated the victims of hurricane Maria for throwing the "budget out of wack."  Then he lobbed some paper towels into a crowd.

I can't get inside President Trumps vacuous brain...but I see a man who wanted to believe something, his ego was challenged by the mayor of San Juan, who told us people were dying before Trump visited, and during the visit, and after the visit, but President Trump had already committed to his tweets and it's not like those brown people can vote.

HELP!!!  WE ARE DYING HERE.  MAYDAY!!!  I'M BEGGING!!! PLEASE!!! Said the mayor of San Juan till she was bleeding out of her whatever.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fadefJFQlGk#)

(https://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/unnamed-1.jpg)

(https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201709/2017-09-30t23-03-42-266z--1280x720.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg)

The dead know President Trump does not take criticism well, and yes I think a real President...a good President could have done more than tweet and point fingers.

This does not look miraculous to me.

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180912152657-puerto-rico-water-bottles-super-tease.jpg)

President Trump sees an unsung success story.  Do you agree?

Sadly nobody was in charge and up to the task of saving lives...but you have assured me that Trump and FEMA did all they could do and FEMA cannot be held responsible Thank you Sean Hannity, and Thank You President Trump for assuring me those people aren't really dead.  #MAGA

@Once-Ler

You stupid,a professional liar,or both.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 06:57:01 pm
@Once-Ler Specifics, please.  A list of what Trump and FEMA can do better, remember?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 07:01:27 pm
@Once-Ler Specifics, please.  A list of what Trump and FEMA can do better, remember?
Oh no.  I made my case already. @Cyber Liberty
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 07:03:22 pm
TFW you have 3 mentions and their all from blocked @sneakypete .  Sorry Pete...maybe next month.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 07:08:31 pm
Oh no.  I made my case already. @Cyber Liberty

If your case was "This was a stupid tweet,"  I agree with you, and you are not the only person to make it.  It was stupid, and worse, an unforced error.

If your case was "Trump and FEMA were fatally negligent in PR," then you failed badly, which is why I asked you twice what Trump could have done better, specifically.  All I read were the same generalities and smears I can hear on the news every day.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 15, 2018, 07:20:42 pm
If your case was "This was a stupid tweet,"  I agree with you, and you are not the only person to make it.  It was stupid, and worse, an unforced error.

If your case was "Trump and FEMA were fatally negligent in PR," then you failed badly, which is why I asked you twice what Trump could have done better, specifically.  All I read were the same generalities and smears I can hear on the news every day.


 888high58888



Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 07:44:45 pm
If your case was "Trump and FEMA were fatally negligent in PR," then you failed badly, which is why I asked you twice what Trump could have done better, specifically.  All I read were the same generalities and smears I can hear on the news every day.

I'm unsure how I can better respond for your question @Cyber Liberty .  I take it on faith that you have taken a few seconds to think about the problem, the response, and the aftermath and that you are a human being with feelings of empathy without the sick psychotic dissociative traits of our monstrous President.  I could be wrong.

I can't spend the time to list everything.  Here are the top 10 (I could list more, but if these 10 don't make an impression the rest would be a waste) if you wanted to make things better

1 care about people
2 pretend to care about people
3 listen to cries for help
4 pretend to listen to cries for help
5 do something to make the problem better
6 pretend to do something to make the problem better
7 save lives
8 pretend to save live
9 help people
10 pretend to help people.

Even if you are only pretending you send a message to American's that people are important.  My President cares more about his golf score than the people.  JMHO
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Bigun on September 15, 2018, 07:48:51 pm
@Once-Ler Specifics, please.  A list of what Trump and FEMA can do better, remember?

@Cyber Liberty

Arguing with democrats is a lot like trying to teach pigs to sing.   Just a reminder.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 15, 2018, 08:00:19 pm
@Cyber Liberty

Arguing with democrats is a lot like trying to teach pigs to sing.   Just a reminder.

He gets angry when you call him a democrat.  It hits him where he lives...literally.  BTW,  He called DC stupid for calling him that the other night. 
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 08:04:18 pm
@Cyber Liberty

Arguing with democrats is a lot like trying to teach pigs to sing.   Just a reminder.

I don't know about that but, arguing with a Trumpster ...wait a sec  R U a Trumpster @Bigun ?  I mean arguing with a Republican ...wait a sec, R U a Republican @Bigun ?  I mean arguing with a Conservative dammit, I know you ain't one of them. WTF R U?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 08:08:35 pm
@Cyber Liberty

Arguing with democrats is a lot like trying to teach pigs to sing.   Just a reminder.

Yeah, this conversation is following that pattern, like squeezing a partially filled water balloon.  Look at that post...all about "feelings" and nothing about specifics, like "Bolster FEMA headcount" or "Form an alliance with charities."

I'm not going to accuse the man of being a Democrat because I know better, but the waffling is among the best.  I give up.  The words speak for themselves anyway.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: skeeter on September 15, 2018, 08:16:06 pm
Yeah, this conversation is following that pattern, like squeezing a partially filled water balloon.  Look at that post...all about "feelings" and nothing about specifics, like "Bolster FEMA headcount" or "Form an alliance with charities."

I'm not going to accuse the man of being a Democrat because I know better, but the waffling is among the best.  I give up.  The words speak for themselves anyway.

Your water balloon analogy is good. I always likened it to trying to hold onto a live trout.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 08:19:37 pm
He gets angry when you call him a democrat.  It hits him where he lives...literally.  BTW,  He called DC stupid for calling him that the other night.
I apologized to @Bigun for calling him stupid.  I said I was wrong and it was not true.  I'll reiterate it.  Bigun is as smart as any Trump voter. 

There is no need to apologize when I express that you are winning @Ghost.  What is your point? I get angry when I am called names?  Sorry to be so human.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Bigun on September 15, 2018, 08:24:56 pm
I don't know about that but, arguing with a Trumpster ...wait a sec  R U a Trumpster @Bigun ?  I mean arguing with a Republican ...wait a sec, R U a Republican @Bigun ?  I mean arguing with a Conservative dammit, I know you ain't one of them. WTF R U?

@Once-Ler

I'm a Constitution loving American Patriot who spent 40+ years in the trenches for the republican party until they forced me out recently.   Hope that helps!   

Btw:  Still never voted for Trump.  But likely will in 2020 if he still wants the thankless job.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 08:27:13 pm
I apologized to @Bigun for calling him stupid.  I said I was wrong and it was not true.  I'll reiterate it.  Bigun is as smart as any Trump voter. 

There's an expression for that underlined part:  "Damning with faint praise."  There's another:  Backhanded compliment.

You've consistently said "Trump voters are stupid."  You said Bigun is as smart as any Trump voter.  Ergo, Bigun is stupid.  Your "apology" is invalid.

 **nononono*
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 08:43:49 pm
@Once-Ler

I'm a Constitution loving American Patriot who spent 40+ years in the trenches for the republican party until they forced me out recently.   Hope that helps!   

Btw:  Still never voted for Trump.  But likely will in 2020 if he still wants the thankless job.
It does @Bigun.  I kinda figured you were That Guy.  I don't like thinking less of you.  I got no right to judge, and even though we disagree, I understand your perspective.  What can I say.  You're a "Constitution loving American Patriot" who excuses Trump.  I don't bend that way.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Bigun on September 15, 2018, 08:53:58 pm
It does @Bigun.  I kinda figured you were That Guy.  I don't like thinking less of you.  I got no right to judge, and even though we disagree, I understand your perspective.  What can I say.  You're a "Constitution loving American Patriot" who excuses Trump.  I don't bend that way.

@Once-Ler

Wrong again!  I don't excuse anything but I do understand that he is doing the best he can with what he has to work with.  He's accomplished more in two years, with the entire establishment working against him, than anyone else in my lifetime since Reagan.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 08:59:09 pm
@Once-Ler

Wrong again!  I don't excuse anything but I do understand that he is doing the best he can with what he has to work with.  He's accomplished more in two years, with the entire establishment working against him, than anyone else in my lifetime since Reagan.

For the most part, he's moving the ball down the field better than I had hoped.  I'm no Trumpian, but I like what I see so far.  Is he perfect?  No!  Who is?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 15, 2018, 09:45:42 pm
There's an expression for that underlined part:  "Damning with faint praise."  There's another:  Backhanded compliment.

You've consistently said "Trump voters are stupid."  You said Bigun is as smart as any Trump voter.  Ergo, Bigun is stupid.  Your "apology" is invalid.

 **nononono*
I have not consistently said Trump voters are stupid.  Nearly a majority of voters voted for Trump.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: sneakypete on September 15, 2018, 10:21:03 pm
TFW you have 3 mentions and their all from blocked @sneakypete .  Sorry Pete...maybe next month.

@Once-Ler

I don't even know who TFW is,so how can I care?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 15, 2018, 10:31:51 pm
I have not consistently said Trump voters are stupid.  Nearly a majority of voters voted for Trump.

You infer it all the time.  I've noticed this tactic.  Infer something over and over again, then act injured when somebody draws the obvious conclusion.  Some call that a "martyr complex."

That second sentence is why people accuse you of being a Dem...Democrats are the ones who love to bring up Hillary's winning the popular vote.  I'm not even going to bother pointing out that fallacy because you know why it's a BS Democrat talking point.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: corbe on September 16, 2018, 01:43:47 am
   This is no different than what Blanco and Nagin did to Bush during Katrina, BUT Trump never should have got into the Mud with these pigs by his tweet.  Incredibly stupid and here it is STILL being discussed days later and it was/is a nothing burger, was this a PR ploy from the West Wing to cover up the Manafort crap or I being too paranoid again?   :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: berdie on September 16, 2018, 02:36:26 am
I'm unsure how I can better respond for your question @Cyber Liberty .  I take it on faith that you have taken a few seconds to think about the problem, the response, and the aftermath and that you are a human being with feelings of empathy without the sick psychotic dissociative traits of our monstrous President.  I could be wrong.

I can't spend the time to list everything.  Here are the top 10 (I could list more, but if these 10 don't make an impression the rest would be a waste) if you wanted to make things better

1 care about people
2 pretend to care about people
3 listen to cries for help
4 pretend to listen to cries for help






Well, darn it. I lurk here a lot and just came back to see your answer.

I'm disappointed.



Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: berdie on September 16, 2018, 02:43:16 am
   This is no different than what Blanco and Nagin did to Bush during Katrina, BUT Trump never should have got into the Mud with these pigs by his tweet.  Incredibly stupid and here it is STILL being discussed days later and it was/is a nothing burger, was this a PR ploy from the West Wing to cover up the Manafort crap or I being too paranoid again?   :shrug:





Sometimes I think...I've seen this movie before. The cover up thing...who  knows?
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 16, 2018, 03:33:53 am
You infer it all the time.  I've noticed this tactic.  Infer something over and over again, then act injured when somebody draws the obvious conclusion.  Some call that a "martyr complex."

You wound me.

Quote
That second sentence is why people accuse you of being a Dem...Democrats are the ones who love to bring up Hillary's winning the popular vote.  I'm not even going to bother pointing out that fallacy because you know why it's a BS Democrat talking point.

Damn. I thought it was a "fact."
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 16, 2018, 03:37:06 am
Well, darn it. I lurk here a lot and just came back to see your answer.

I'm disappointed.
@berdie
I even fail the lurkers.  Thanx for breaking out of lurk mode for this vague yet derogatory reply. :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 04:57:50 am
You wound me.

Damn. I thought it was a "fact."

A useless fact, as useless as "Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000."  So what? 
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 16, 2018, 05:07:34 am
A useless fact, as useless as "Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000."  So what?
That's fair.  I'm sorry I made you defend President Trump once again.  I know you hate it but you're really getting good at it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 02:03:35 pm
That's fair.  I'm sorry I made you defend President Trump once again.  I know you hate it but you're really getting good at it. :thumbsup:

I'm getting practiced at it.  :beer:

I've learned to get good at doing things I don't like.  Hopefully that changes Friday, when I retire from my 35 year old job.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 16, 2018, 03:47:46 pm
I'm getting practiced at it.  :beer:

I've learned to get good at doing things I don't like.  Hopefully that changes Friday, when I retire from my 35 year old job.

Just look on the bright side.  More daily opportunities for you to bust Oncey's liberal chops. 

That is a good thing.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 04:27:09 pm
I'm getting practiced at it.  :beer:

I've learned to get good at doing things I don't like.  Hopefully that changes Friday, when I retire from my 35 year old job.

Sounds like you endeavored to persevere (a Cherokee thing...lol).  You'll have more time to spend here with your BR friends then!   :beer:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 05:14:46 pm
Sounds like you endeavored to persevere (a Cherokee thing...lol).  You'll have more time to spend here with your BR friends then!   :beer:

That's the plan.  My attendance might get a little spotty during the week we move to our new Castle in the next couple months, though.  Don't have internet up there yet.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 05:20:55 pm
That's the plan.  My attendance might get a little spotty during the week we move to our new Castle in the next couple months, though.  Don't have internet up there yet.

If you already posted pics, I guessed I missed it.  If not, care to?  lol

Congrats on your kingdom establishment!!!
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 05:44:37 pm
Castillo del Cyber (Click to embiggen):
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 16, 2018, 05:47:23 pm
Castillo del Cyber (Click to embiggen):

I see you went with the "Highly Defendable" elevation. 

Might I suggest a moat and draw bridge.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 05:48:16 pm
Castillo del Cyber (Click to embiggen):

Wow!  Nice digs.  Where's the hot tub and what time should I be there?  lol
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 05:49:09 pm
I see you went with the "Highly Defendable" elevation. 

Might I suggest a moat and draw bridge.   :smokin:

And gators.  Lots and lots of gators.  All wearing Trump wigs.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 05:50:01 pm
Wow!  Nice digs.  Where's the hot tub and what time should I be there?  lol

Upstairs in the Master Bedroom Suite.  Next to the fireplace and kitchen.  LOL!
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 05:51:23 pm
I see you went with the "Highly Defendable" elevation. 

Might I suggest a moat and draw bridge.   :smokin:

I can reach out and touch someone from any direction, on the second floor 360 degree deck.  We knew it was perfect for us the second we laid eyes on it.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 16, 2018, 06:00:39 pm
And gators.  Lots and lots of gators.  All wearing Trump wigs.   :whistle:

I thought about gators but I didn't know if they would survive in that desert dry environment. 

I did see several areas to stage the boiling oil pots to repel a frontal manned assault
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 16, 2018, 06:02:05 pm
I can reach out and touch someone from any direction, on the second floor 360 degree deck.  We knew it was perfect for us the second we laid eyes on it.

Yep, clearly you need a swivel mount cannon.  Or twelve...
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 06:10:45 pm
Yep, clearly you need a swivel mount cannon.  Or twelve...

The whole neighborhood is defensible.  Only two small roads in and out, and all my neighbors fly American Flags, some also the Gadsden.  The Castle itself sits atop a hill with steep embankments on all sides, and a deep arroyo on the back side.  We got a sweet deal.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: thackney on September 16, 2018, 06:13:51 pm
The whole neighborhood is defensible.  Only two small roads in and out, and all my neighbors fly American Flags, some also the Gadsden.  The Castle itself sits atop a hill with steep embankments on all sides, and a deep arroyo on the back side.  We got a sweet deal.

It sounds great, but never miss an opportunity to justify owning cannon.  Even if only for decorative purposes to fit the image.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 06:15:11 pm
It sounds great, but never miss an opportunity to justify owning cannon.  Even if only for decorative purposes to fit the image.

 :pondering:
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Elderberry on September 16, 2018, 06:18:33 pm
It sounds great, but never miss an opportunity to justify owning cannon.  Even if only for decorative purposes to fit the image.

I don't even have a castle, but I do have a cannon and a coehorn mortar.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Wingnut on September 16, 2018, 06:23:14 pm
I don't know why but I have mash up two movies coming to mind.  "The Money Pit and War of the Roses with the chandelier scene playing a prominent place.. 

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXwyY9PYSc&ab_channel=uraniumchick01#)
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: skeeter on September 16, 2018, 06:24:09 pm
:pondering:

The family and I like to catch a pre season Cactus League game out your way every couple of years, and after the game I always drive around a little, out towards Toritilla Flats or whatever. I’ve often wondered what it would be like to live in a place like yours.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 16, 2018, 07:13:03 pm
The family and I like to catch a pre season Cactus League game out your way every couple of years, and after the game I always drive around a little, out towards Toritilla Flats or whatever. I’ve often wondered what it would be like to live in a place like yours.

I never thought we could get one, but @Slip18 discovered this one (she'd been searching Zillow for a couple years).  It's in Bullhead City (across the Colorado River from Laughlin, NV) which is about a 4 1/2 drive from Phoenix.  We've been taking stuff up there every other week, and will be going more often after this week.  Casino Hotels are a lot cheaper during the week.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: Bigun on September 16, 2018, 07:49:21 pm
I never thought we could get one, but @Slip18 discovered this one (she'd been searching Zillow for a couple years).  It's in Bullhead City (across the Colorado River from Laughlin, NV) which is about a 4 1/2 drive from Phoenix.  We've been taking stuff up there every other week, and will be going more often after this week.  Casino Hotels are a lot cheaper during the week.

We get out to Arizona every couple of years at least but Wilcox is about as far West as we generally go.  Who knows?  Might make an exception next time.
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: berdie on September 17, 2018, 01:28:52 am
@berdie
I even fail the lurkers.  Thanx for breaking out of lurk mode for this vague yet derogatory reply. :seeya:



I apologize if I came out as derogatory.  I have lurked here enough to know you are further to the left than I . I was interested to see what you thought the federal Government should have done since I talk to people about this. That's why I came back to see your reply.

Sadly. your answer was not what I hoped it would be. I was hoping  for what you thinkl should have been done, hence my disappointment. Instead it involved "feelings".

IMHO, the local government failed....much like Katrina.

The first responder is the person in the line of fire. It is their responsibility to have supplies for 3 days (or more in this case),

I find it tragic that, much like Katrina, the local officials were inept. During the disaster and before.

If I am in a crunch....I don't want someone who acts like they care.  Just send supplies that I need. That seems to have happened. The break down was at a local level. As I said, Katrina Redux.

@Once-Ler
Title: Re: Trump says Puerto Rico death toll inflated by Democrats: '3000 people did not die'
Post by: roamer_1 on September 17, 2018, 02:37:35 am
I see you went with the "Highly Defendable" elevation. 

Might I suggest a moat and draw bridge.   :smokin:

See @Cyber Liberty ... I tolja it needs a water feature...
 :tongue2: