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GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
By Zack Budryk - 06/18/20 07:37 PM EDT
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said Thursday he will introduce legislation making Juneteenth, the holiday celebrating the emancipation of formerly enslaved African Americans, a federal holiday.
The June 19 holiday is “an opportunity to reflect on our history, the mistakes we have made, but yet how far we’ve come in the fight for equality, and a reminder of just how far we still have to go,†Cornyn said on the Senate floor on Thursday.
Juneteenth has its roots in Cornyn’s home state, where in 1865, Gen. Gordon Granger read the Emancipation Proclamation to former slaves, the final state where it was read after first being issued by President Abraham Lincoln in 1863. Texas is one of 47 states, as well as the District of Columbia, that recognize the holiday. Both Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) called for their respective legislatures to make it a state holiday this week.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/503497-gop-senator-to-introduce-bill-to-make-juneteenth-a-federal-holiday
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GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
By Zack Budryk - 06/18/20 07:37 PM EDT
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said Thursday he will introduce legislation making Juneteenth, the holiday celebrating the emancipation of formerly enslaved African Americans, a federal holiday.
The June 19 holiday is “an opportunity to reflect on our history, the mistakes we have made, but yet how far we’ve come in the fight for equality, and a reminder of just how far we still have to go,†Cornyn said on the Senate floor on Thursday.
Juneteenth has its roots in Cornyn’s home state, where in 1865, Gen. Gordon Granger read the Emancipation Proclamation to former slaves, the final state where it was read after first being issued by President Abraham Lincoln in 1863. Texas is one of 47 states, as well as the District of Columbia, that recognize the holiday. Both Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) called for their respective legislatures to make it a state holiday this week.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/503497-gop-senator-to-introduce-bill-to-make-juneteenth-a-federal-holiday
THe GOP is making a tremendous mistake with all this pandering. IMO they have greatly misread the crowd.
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No.
Absolutely NO.
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Next up from Cornyn will be the gay pandering, he saw what almost happen to Cruz 2 years ago and he knows intellectually he wouldn't make a pimple on Ted's butt.
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Juneteenth recognized in 47 states? BULLSH*T!!! Until two weeks ago, I never heard of it, and I have spent years in Texas on consulting gigs, and not a peep about Juneteenth.
Now, this fits in the nice to have, but we have to be smart as a nation. We have enough national holidays! Last thing we need in the competitive world we operate in is more holidays. Take Puerto Rico, they have 24 holidays. They have all the holidays we have in the USA, and many more for their own events. 24 holidays, no joke. And what does that mean? It means corporations are not willing to invest money in a workforce that have two days off every month on average. Pure idiocy, and I oppose any more holidays....PERIOD!!!
And these jack*sses that are tearing down statues, have torn down statues of Abe Lincoln, and destroyed the memorial of a regiment of black Union soldiers in Massachusetts, are worthy of zero respect. So, I say screw this notion and to hell with all that think we should destroy our history.
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GOP senator to introduce bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
By Zack Budryk - 06/18/20 07:37 PM EDT
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said Thursday he will introduce legislation making Juneteenth, the holiday celebrating the emancipation of formerly enslaved African Americans, a federal holiday.
The June 19 holiday is “an opportunity to reflect on our history, the mistakes we have made, but yet how far we’ve come in the fight for equality, and a reminder of just how far we still have to go,†Cornyn said on the Senate floor on Thursday.
Juneteenth has its roots in Cornyn’s home state, where in 1865, Gen. Gordon Granger read the Emancipation Proclamation to former slaves, the final state where it was read after first being issued by President Abraham Lincoln in 1863. Texas is one of 47 states, as well as the District of Columbia, that recognize the holiday. Both Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) called for their respective legislatures to make it a state holiday this week.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/503497-gop-senator-to-introduce-bill-to-make-juneteenth-a-federal-holiday
Seems that would only piss them off to celebrate on Juneteenth. To recognize the Emancipation instead of making it about the massacre.
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Trade it for MLK Day. It'll balance things out a little more.
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Heck, I recall celebrating Stonewall....Jackson, that is.
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Great, another patronizing move. Then anyone not voting for it can be attacked by BLM forces for not being sympathetic enough to the plight of poor little African Americans. Can there ever be enough pandering? Apparently not.
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Juneteenth recognized in 47 states? BULLSH*T!!! Until two weeks ago, I never heard of it, and I have spent years in Texas on consulting gigs, and not a peep about Juneteenth.
Now, this fits in the nice to have, but we have to be smart as a nation. We have enough national holidays! Last thing we need in the competitive world we operate in is more holidays. Take Puerto Rico, they have 24 holidays. They have all the holidays we have in the USA, and many more for their own events. 24 holidays, no joke. And what does that mean? It means corporations are not willing to invest money in a workforce that have two days off every month on average. Pure idiocy, and I oppose any more holidays....PERIOD!!!
And these jack*sses that are tearing down statues, have torn down statues of Abe Lincoln, and destroyed the memorial of a regiment of black Union soldiers in Massachusetts, are worthy of zero respect. So, I say screw this notion and to hell with all that think we should destroy our history.
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I am from Texas, and I've known about Juneteenth since I was a child.
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Do we really need another excuse for government employees not to work?
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I may be in a minority of opinion here, so be it.
I don't have a problem with this.
I actually think this is long overdue.
July 4th, 1776, we declared or independence, to make our country free.
June 19th, 1865, celebrated as the made all of our citizens free, living up to the promise:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
I took us 89 years to get there, but we got there.
Feel free to fire at will.
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Great, another patronizing move. Then anyone not voting for it can be attacked by BLM forces for not being sympathetic enough to the plight of poor little African Americans. Can there ever be enough pandering? Apparently not.
All politicians pander, including President Trump.
Folks tend not to mind when they are the ones on the receiving end of the pandering.
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THe GOP is making a tremendous mistake with all this pandering. IMO they have greatly misread the crowd.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Yup! Just look at where pandering put them before Trump showed up.
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All politicians pander, including President Trump.
Folks tend not to mind when they are the ones on the receiving end of the pandering.
I mind it when they pander to me, because I'm smart enough to know what an empty promise looks like.
What I wonder is this: What holiday are they going to eliminate to create a special extra one for that segment of the population? Veterans Day?
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I mind it when they pander to me, because I'm smart enough to know what an empty promise looks like.
What I wonder is this: What holiday are they going to eliminate to create a special extra one for that segment of the population? Veterans Day?
Black Friday. :rolling:
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Black Friday. :rolling:
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I may be in a minority of opinion here, so be it.
I don't have a problem with this.
I actually think this is long overdue.
July 4th, 1776, we declared or independence, to make our country free.
June 19th, 1865, celebrated as the made all of our citizens free, living up to the promise:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
I took us 89 years to get there, but we got there.
Feel free to fire at will.
:amen:
I don't see a problem celebrating the end of an evil institution that treated human beings as beasts of burden. FWIW, I think those that oppose something as reasonable as this potentially fulfill bad stereotypes of conservatives. We are not talking about supporting stupid ideas like reparations.
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The first time I heard of Juneteenth was last year I think, is this some recently made up thing?
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I may be in a minority of opinion here, so be it.
I don't have a problem with this.
I actually think this is long overdue.
July 4th, 1776, we declared or independence, to make our country free.
June 19th, 1865, celebrated as the made all of our citizens free, living up to the promise:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
I took us 89 years to get there, but we got there.
Feel free to fire at will.
I actually agree with you. Its harmless to make this a holiday, and it honors the constitution's promise...as you say...that all men are created equal. It also acknowledges that we were wrong to wait 89 years to make that a reality, and that we DO and have had problems with racism in society. Seems reasonable to me. Is it pandering....yes...to an extent. But you could argue that making Christmas a holiday is pandering to Christians, or Labor Day is pandering to workers....the implementation of any holiday is a bit of a "pander".
And before someone uses an absurdity like Kwanzaa as a counter-argument, Juneteenth has been around for a very long time in Texas and parts of the South. It is an "American" tradition in those places, not a transplanted imaginary holiday meant to make a cultural statement out of nothing.
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The first time I heard of Juneteenth was last year I think, is this some recently made up thing?
No, it's been around TX for a very, very long time. It's only brought up now because there is an important task at hand: Eliminate Republicans forever. bad orange man just happens to be the King at the time.
I have but one observation to make that illustrates my feelings about Juneteenth and MLK Day in January: "The chains of a slave weigh heavily at both ends."
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No, it's been around TX for a very, very long time. It's only brought up now because there is an important task at hand: Eliminate Republicans forever. bad orange man just happens to be the King at the time.
I have but one observation to make that illustrates my feelings about Juneteenth and MLK Day in January: "The chains of a slave weigh heavily at both ends."
Are there any other secret regional black holidays that we need to watch out for?
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Are there any other secret regional black holidays that we need to watch out for?
I don't know. They're regional and I don't know all the regions. Probably, the next time the Rats try to scuttle a Trump Rally, one will be found. BTW, "Juneteenth" is not any kind of holiday in the states not named "Texas," AFAIK. Certainly not in Oklahoma.
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Travesty we couldn't get even 25% in the primary to unseat this c__ sucking SOB.
We don't need additonal federal holidays
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Travesty we couldn't get even 25% in the primary to unseat this c__ sucking SOB.
We don't need additonal federal holidays
:yowsa: pointing-up
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I honestly don't care. I'd love another day off. I'm not offended by Juneteenth.
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I honestly don't care. I'd love another day off. I'm not offended by Juneteenth.
Do you mind the pandering and captiuation involved here? Do you really think it will stop at this point? This attitude is just a gateway for repartions enactment.
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Do you mind the pandering and captiuation involved here? Do you really think it will stop at this point? This attitude is just a gateway for repartions enactment.
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The pandering is annoying, and making this a holiday won't solve a damn thing one way or the other, but at least there's an upside for me in this whole thing. As far as the sliding scale goes... :shrug:
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Travesty we couldn't get even 25% in the primary to unseat this c__ sucking SOB.
We don't need additonal federal holidays
This is small potatoes compared to other things Cornyn has done, IMO.
But, yes, I agree with you about getting him out during the primaries.
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I honestly don't care. I'd love another day off. I'm not offended by Juneteenth.
This is not an additional day off if they do the usual shuffle of striking another Holiday to make room for it. And, unless you are a Federal or Bank employee, you don't get it.
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If they're attempting to soothe the child terrorists, whites should have to work.
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If they're attempting to soothe the child terrorists, whites should have to work.
I agree. When MLK got his Holiday, the black folks I worked with were unhappy with me for also taking the floating holiday off.
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I agree. When MLK got his Holiday, the black folks I worked with were unhappy with me for also taking the floating holiday off.
The same has happened to me, often.
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I agree. When MLK got his Holiday, the black folks I worked with were unhappy with me for also taking the floating holiday off.
I work in a biotech company, doing system administration, and I think there is a single black person in the entire company (and he's in the UK).
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We don't close now for MLK day, and we probably won't for this one either.
We close probably a day or 2 more than most.
Christmas Eve and Christmas.
New Years Eve and New Years.
Thanksgiving and the Friday after.
Memorial Day.
4th of July.
Labor day.
We have floating day of our choosing, and some of our Black employees use that on MLK day.
Some do not, and they come to work.
Honestly, most of us try to use that floating day around Christmastime.
I've never heard anyone complain if a White person used their floating day on MLK day at my workplace.
Y'all must work in some pretty weird environments....
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We don't close now for MLK day, and we probably won't for this one either.
We close probably a day or 2 more than most.
Christmas Eve and Christmas.
New Years Eve and New Years.
Thanks giving and the Friday after.
Memorial Day.
4th of July.
Labor day.
We have floating day of our choosing, and some of our Black employees use that on MLK day.
Some do not, and they come to work.
Honestly, most of us try to use that floating day around Christmastime.
I've never heard anyone complain if a White person used their floating day on MLK day at my workplace.
Y'all must work in some pretty weird environments....
It was only an issue the first few years. But it's a typical corporate workplace environment issue. They love their Special High Intensity Training for whatever issue the media wants to raise. I lost count of how many Sexual Harassment classes 100% of the company had to take.
Large corporations are run by the biggest cowards alive.
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@Cyber Liberty
Large corporations are no fun to work for.
I've have only quit jobs 2 times in my career, and both times, it was because large corporations bought where I worked.
I quit as soon as a better opportunity opened up.
I do work for a large company now, but 5th generation run, family owned.
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It was only an issue the first few years. But it's a typical corporate workplace environment issue. They love their Special High Intensity Training for whatever issue the media wants to raise. I lost count of how many Sexual Harassment classes 100% of the company had to take.
Large corporations are run by the biggest cowards alive.
20 years ago my corporation instituted its first Inclusion and Diversity Training. At the very beginning, it was a great tool to extract the best and most from everyone in the company. Sadly, it devolved into a political leveraging tool, and was exploited for minority gains and advantage. The old adage, give an inch, and they'll take a mile? Well......
Now even after 8 years of retirement, I got to agree 100% Cyber. From what I have heard from the workers that used to work for me.... It's now considered now more a hostage taking tool, than even exploitation.
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20 years ago my corporation instituted its first Inclusion and Diversity Training. At the very beginning, it was a great tool to extract the best and most from everyone in the company. Sadly, it devolved into a political leveraging tool, and was exploited for minority gains and advantage. The old adage, give an inch, and they'll take a mile? Well......
Now even after 8 years of retirement, I got to agree 100% Cyber. From what I have heard from the workers that used to work for me.... It's now considered now more a hostage taking tool, than even exploitation.
A year or so before I retired I was commanded to attend the who knows how manyth three-letter management by committee seminar (TQM for example) the company I worked for had sponsored The first hour of the first day I ask the instructor if this stuff works so well how come it ALWAYS comes down to someone having to take the bull by the horns and say "This is what we are going to do and this is how we are going to do it." I was excused from the remainder of the seminar which really broke my heart.
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A year or so before I retired I was commanded to attend the who knows how manyth three-letter management by committee seminar (TQM for example) the company I worked for had sponsored The first hour of the first day I ask the instructor if this stuff works so well how come it ALWAYS comes down to someone having to take the bull by the horns and say "This is what we are going to do and this is how we are going to do it." I was excused from the remainder of the seminar which really broke my heart.
Work is bad enough being productive, and there is absolutely ZERO value added in these dipschit classes!
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:amen:
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:amen:
The only benefits I could ever see being derived from this corporate bullshit were to the third-party consultants who delivered the training. I always assumed there were kickbacks or something.
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It was only an issue the first few years. But it's a typical corporate workplace environment issue. They love their Special High Intensity Training for whatever issue the media wants to raise. I lost count of how many Sexual Harassment classes 100% of the company had to take.
Large corporations are run by the biggest cowards alive.
In my career, I worked for several of the biggest energy companies in Texas. Over the decades, as I grew less liberal, more conservative....I grew to detest the corporate BS. Especially since I am an anti-political-correctness nonconfomist that is resistant to authority (other than God)....lol.
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The only benefits I could ever see being derived from this corporate bullshit were to the third-party consultants who delivered the training. I always assumed there were kickbacks or something.
I think the people who mandate this sort of "training" most often have a hidden interest in the consulting company they hire to provide it.
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I don't know. They're regional and I don't know all the regions. Probably, the next time the Rats try to scuttle a Trump Rally, one will be found. BTW, "Juneteenth" is not any kind of holiday in the states not named "Texas," AFAIK. Certainly not in Oklahoma.
@Cyber Liberty
That may have been true last week,but I think it is now a federal holiday.
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So when will blacks become just plain Americans instead of African-Americans or ex-slaves? :whistle:
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So when will blacks become just plain Americans instead of African-Americans or ex-slaves? :whistle:
@EdinVA
The day after AA and the "free money" ends.
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So when will blacks become just plain Americans instead of African-Americans or ex-slaves? :whistle:
I continuously pray for that day. Not just for society’s sake but for their sake. The water is warm, jump on in!
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So when will blacks become just plain Americans instead of African-Americans or ex-slaves? :whistle:
Tuesday August 18th................
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Tuesday August 18th................
:cool:
? Right over my head...
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? Right over my head...
It is what my crystal ball told me
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It is what my crystal ball told me
Well, then I hope you’re clairvoyant. :beer:
I don’t believe in intuition, but I have a strange feeling someday I will. happy77
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Well, then I hope you’re clairvoyant. :beer:
I don’t believe in intuition, but I have a strange feeling someday I will. happy77
No, I have ESPN............
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No, I have ESPN............
:silly: 888high58888
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:silly: 888high58888
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This is small potatoes compared to other things Cornyn has done, IMO.
But, yes, I agree with you about getting him out during the primaries.
They could trade it for MLK day. Because they have never actually embraced the message. Instead they have voted for liberals for 60 years to enslave them based on the color of their skin instead of their character.
So they could replace it then the public schools could acknowledge something positive our country actually did do.
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? Right over my head...
Notice how @GrouchoTex didn't say what year.... :pondering:
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I remember way back in my youth, black folks would find as many $2 bills as they could and use them on Juneteeth to demonstrate their buying power and impact on the economy. Very constructive and powerful way to convey that message. Unlike what we have seen lately.
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If they make it a holiday it will just promote more protesting on that day. Obviously the protesters do not recognize the abolition of slavery but they prefer to remember the day for a massacre of African Americans. Same day, different year.
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I remember way back in my youth, black folks would find as many $2 bills as they could and use them on Juneteeth to demonstrate their buying power and impact on the economy. Very constructive and powerful way to convey that message. Unlike what we have seen lately.
Never heard of this juneteenth thing before..
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I may be in a minority of opinion here, so be it.
I don't have a problem with this.
I actually think this is long overdue.
July 4th, 1776, we declared or independence, to make our country free.
June 19th, 1865, celebrated as the made all of our citizens free, living up to the promise:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." I took us 89 years to get there, but we got there. Feel free to fire at will.
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A demurral.
In 1776 we declared our independence and so what!
It was not until our Constitution was ratified in 1788 that
we became "sovereign and responsible for our own destiny."
The assertion that "all men are created equal" is political malarkey of the first
magnitude, notwithstanding that the words came from Jefferson, a great man.
The Ancients understood this, as Plato, in 'The Republic', identified our "Soul" as
the differentiating entity in each and every person born since Adam and Eve,
as well as the driver behind individuality and our creative impulses.
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Never heard of this juneteenth thing before..
Before going national, it pretty much was a Texas thing.
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In my career, I worked for several of the biggest energy companies in Texas. Over the decades, as I grew less liberal, more conservative....I grew to detest the corporate BS. Especially since I am an anti-political-correctness nonconfomist that is resistant to authority (other than God)....lol.
Sounds about right! :beer:
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A demurral.
In 1776 we declared our independence and so what!
It was not until our Constitution was ratified in 1788 that
we became "sovereign and responsible for our own destiny."
The assertion that "all men are created equal" is political malarkey of the first
magnitude, notwithstanding that the words came from Jefferson, a great man.
The Ancients understood this, as Plato, in 'The Republic', identified our "Soul" as
the differentiating entity in each and every person born since Adam and Eve,
as well as the driver behind individuality and our creative impulses.
Yeah, Jefferson left out "in the eyes of God" (as Rights go).
We might start that way, it's what we do that makes us different.
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So when will blacks become just plain Americans instead of African-Americans or ex-slaves? :whistle:
When the race hustlers can't make money at it.
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No, I have ESPN............
@GrouchoTex
Have you tried penicillin?
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I bet Trump issues an EO and announces it tonight that Juneteenth is a federal holiday
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I bet Trump issues an EO and announces it tonight that Juneteenth is a federal holiday
It'll confuse the Hell outta the Only Black Lives Matter bowel movement. Therefore, I could accept it. I'm evil.
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@GrouchoTex
Have you tried penicillin?
Advice given to Navin Johnson by his black bother: "If you catch something, see a Doctor, get rid of it."
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Yeah, Jefferson left out "in the eyes of God" (as Rights go).
We might start that way, it's what we do that makes us different.
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Smokin, indeed and an anecdote.
Jefferson was our Envoy/Minister to France for the 5 years ending in 1789, the eve of
their Revolution, of which EGALITE' was at the core of their revolutionary slogan.
His letters at that time, reveal a strong sharing of ideas between him and those of
the French Leadership, so his earlier words in the Declaration are hardly surprising.
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Smokin, indeed and an anecdote.
Jefferson was our Envoy/Minister to France for the 5 years ending in 1789, the eve of
their Revolution, of which EGALITE' was at the core of their revolutionary slogan.
His letters at that time, reveal a strong sympathy between his beliefs and those of the
French Leaders, so his earlier words in the Declaration are hardly surprising.
It took Robespierre to remind him about what's bad about those beliefs. :shrug:
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I bet Trump issues an EO and announces it tonight that Juneteenth is a federal holiday
@mystery-ak
I hope he doesn't. I am just about "pandered out".
MY message to blacks is "We don't owe you a single damn thing because we have been treating you like pampered pets for the entire lifetime of every single black still alive in America,and if you don't like it,take your black asses back to Africa and see how well you like THAT!"
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When the race hustlers can't make money at it.
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Assuming your query is serious it's when they purge themselves of their tribal heritage/legacy.
As Jeremy Black/Cambridge observed:
Slavery emerged tens of thousands of years past, having it's most pernicious impact in Africa.
Beginning w/the Ancients of the Fertile Crescent to the Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans; all experienced and understood slavery yet their innate individualism won out.
Not so the Tribal culture of Africa which resisted any/all individual impulses.
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@mystery-ak
I hope he doesn't. I am just about "pandered out".
MY message to blacks is "We don't owe you a single damn thing because we have been treating you like pampered pets for the entire lifetime of every single black still alive in America,and if you don't like it,take your black asses back to Africa and see how well you like THAT!"
Ok ... that does it!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw#)
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I don't have a problem with this.
As sick to death as I am of the 24/7 “anti-racism†charade on all sides, on this specific I’m with my friend and neighbor @GrouchoTex. The end of slavery seems worthy of recognition as a Federal holiday.
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As sick to death as I am of the 24/7 “anti-racism†charade on all sides, on this specific I’m with my friend and neighbor @GrouchoTex. The end of slavery seems worthy of recognition as a Federal holiday.
...not to mention the end of a war, and Johnny's gonna come marching home again. But I have to ask...which existing Federal Holiday should be kicked off the calendar to put this one on?
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As sick to death as I am of the 24/7 “anti-racism†charade on all sides, on this specific I’m with my friend and neighbor @GrouchoTex. The end of slavery seems worthy of recognition as a Federal holiday.
@HoustonSam
I know it's nitpicking,but it wasn't. It was just when some people finally recognized slavery had been made illegal.
Granted,there is a valid train of thought that states if YOU don't know about something it never happened as far as you are concerned,but still......
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I know it's nitpicking,but it wasn't. It was just when some people finally recognized slavery had been made illegal.
Of course you are correct @sneakypete; slavery actually ended when the 13th Amendment achieved the required number of state ratifications, not on “Juneteenth.†Still, the latter date is already known and associated with slavery’s end; how many people know that Georgia’s vote on 6 December 1865 finally enacted the 13th?
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Of course you are correct @sneakypete; slavery actually ended when the 13th Amendment achieved the required number of state ratifications, not on “Juneteenth.†Still, the latter date is already known and associated with slavery’s end; how many people know that Georgia’s vote on 6 December 1865 finally enacted the 13th?
@HoustonSam
I also recall a famous quote that seems to apply to this issue.
"Those who deny history are doomed to repeat it."
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Of course you are correct @sneakypete; slavery actually ended when the 13th Amendment achieved the required number of state ratifications, not on “Juneteenth.†Still, the latter date is already known and associated with slavery’s end; how many people know that Georgia’s vote on 6 December 1865 finally enacted the 13th?
@HoustonSam
How many know that Georgia's, vote was obtained while that state was still under duress i.e. was still occupied? And Georgia's was far from the only one either.that is true of the votes of several other states as well.
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The thing that is being ignored is that a Juneteenth will digress to just another day of sales and advertisements declaring corporate support for the cause de jour....
What happened to Black History Month, February? Lots of stories about the "bad ole white people" but not much about the positive..
Why is there never any discussion of people like Will Smith, James Earl Jones, General Powell, Col. West or Oprah Winfrey?
Not a fan of all of them but they are intelligent, successful and have overcome tremendous odds.
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How many know that Georgia's, vote was obtained while that state was still under duress i.e. was still occupied? And Georgia's was far from the only one either.that is true of the votes of several other states as well.
The reconstruction state governments in the South generally excluded any ex-Confederates and could not fairly be considered truly representative.
Furthermore, passage of the 13th by the US Congress was marked by patronage promises, backroom dealing, and outright bribery administered by Lincoln's cabinet. The long-time anti-slavery Congressman Thaddeus Stevens remarked that its passage had been "corruption aided by the purest man in America."
Still, what right-thinking person can argue that the abolition of American slavery was not a good thing, and worthy of recognition?
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The thing that is being ignored is that a Juneteenth will digress to just another day of sales and advertisements declaring corporate support for the cause de jour....
What happened to Black History Month, February? Lots of stories about the "bad ole white people" but not much about the positive..
Why is there never any discussion of people like Will Smith, James Earl Jones, General Powell, Col. West or Oprah Winfrey?
Not a fan of all of them but they are intelligent, successful and have overcome tremendous odds.
@Colon Powell and Orca can rightfully be called many things,but "Smart" ain't one of them. Powell went from being an AA Captain so freaking useless he spent a year serving as an advisor to a SVN Infantry outfit,and they didn't even give him a "thanks for being here" ribbon when he left VN. He is the ONLY US Army member,enlisted or officer,that served as an advisor that I have ever heard of to a SVN Army unit that didn't get ANY sort of award from the SVN Army when his tour ended.
Which tells me he didn't go out in the field with them to fight,but remained behind in the garrison to cower.
Yeah,IIRC,he got a Purple Heart and I THINK a Bronze Star for meritorious service for being a passenger in a helicopter that was ferrying him and some other officers to a meeting somewhere that crashed due to mechanical problems. He most likely got cut in the crash and they gave him the PH for it even though it was NOT combat-related because he was a Field Grade infantry officer holding a staff position in an infantry division, needed SOMETHING to justify ever promoting him to LTC,and it made the General look good to have a stepandfetchit that had a PH.
He got the Bronze Star for meritorious service because he was a field grade officer who didn't get arrested or court-martialed. It is a semi-meaningless non-combat award that is handed out like candy to career officers.
His career was saved when Kissinger wanted a big darkie to carry his briefcase,and he became Kissingers "step and fetchit". If it hadn't been for that he would have been passed over for promotion to Major,and been given a discharge from the army.
As for Orca,you have obviously never seen or heard a recording of her speaking without a script when she didn't have a "bug" in her ear. Pure Ghet-Toe. Or was 30 years ago. She has probably hired a diction coach since then,but she is still as dumb as dirt. She sounds good on tv because she has a control room full of smart people whispering into her ear bug and telling her what to say.
As for James Earl Jones,who knows if he is smart or not? Or even cares? He has "that voice",and he could speak like Orca and it would sound profound. If I had the money,I'd be willing to pay him to read the dictionary to me.
Will Smith seems to be pretty damn smart,though. He has managed to use an average amount of talent to turn himself into a multi-millionaire without creating too much jealousy and sniping behind his back. He has also managed to keep himself out of the tabloids and police arrest sheets. NOT something easy to do when you grow up poor and are suddenly just handed buckets of gold.
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Assuming your query is serious it's when they purge themselves of their tribal heritage/legacy.
As Jeremy Black/Cambridge observed:
Slavery emerged tens of thousands of years past, having it's most pernicious impact in Africa.
Beginning w/the Ancients of the Fertile Crescent to the Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans; all experienced and understood slavery yet their innate individualism won out.
Not so the Tribal culture of Africa which controlled any/all individual impulses.
Compounding the problem is the solution to slavery was a federal intervention and again after the rise of the KKK and Jim Crow was another federal intervention so there is a very strong belief that all solutions have to come from the federal govt and are done on a group basis. There are some Black leaders that recognize we have moved beyond group solutions and individual empowerment and responsibility is the answer, but they are a distinct minority. 90% plus of the Black vote goes to the Rats and the Rats are the party that has effectively emasculated Blacks and put them back on the plantation. I don't see this changing any time soon.
All that being said, I don't think it is appropriate to honor former Confederate generals at Federal military bases. If individual States want to do so that is their business.
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As sick to death as I am of the 24/7 “anti-racism†charade on all sides, on this specific I’m with my friend and neighbor @GrouchoTex. The end of slavery seems worthy of recognition as a Federal holiday.
:amen:
It doesn't hurt us to separate the identity politics crowd from the recognition that ending the evil of slavery was a good thing we should be proud of.
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...not to mention the end of a war, and Johnny's gonna come marching home again. But I have to ask...which existing Federal Holiday should be kicked off the calendar to put this one on?
Why not combine some holidays, the same as we did with President's day.
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Why not combine some holidays, the same as we did with President's day.
OK, I'm game. Which ones? Do you think maybe we could combine Veterans Day and Columbus Day?
And will everybody get the day off, or only certain people?
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I just want the actual language of the bill to include something along the lines of “this day will forever be held as a Federal holiday to celebrate the anniversary of the day Republicans ended slavery, a societal ill that the Democrats sought to perpetuate.â€
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Compounding the problem is the solution to slavery was a federal intervention and again after the rise of the KKK and Jim Crow was another federal intervention so there is a very strong belief that all solutions have to come from the federal govt and are done on a group basis. There are some Black leaders that recognize we have moved beyond group solutions and individual empowerment and responsibility is the answer, but they are a distinct minority. 90% plus of the Black vote goes to the Rats and the Rats are the party that has effectively emasculated Blacks and put them back on the plantation. I don't see this changing any time soon.
All that being said, I don't think it is appropriate to honor former Confederate generals at Federal military bases. If individual States want to do so that is their business.
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Fair enough, yet consider this.
George Washington was a Lt. Colonel in the British Army, during the French & Indian Wars;
while our Confederate Officers were earlier graduates of West Point.
Both chose to support the principles and values they we raised by.
At present we honor the former yet condemn the latter but why?
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Fair enough, yet consider this.
George Washington was a Lt. Colonel in the British Army, during the French & Indian Wars;
while our Confederate Officers were earlier graduates of West Point.
Both chose to support the principles and values they we raised by.
At present we honor the former yet condemn the latter but why?
You know the answer: The winners write the history. BTW, the histories you like to post were all written by the winners (whether you know it or not). It goes without saying that had the South won the war, Lee and Jefferson Davis would be heroes.
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The behavior of the members of this forum illustrate why our side is losing, and will continue to lose.
You've gone from "what the devil is juneteenth"? (a next-to-nothing day in history) to arguing that perhaps, just perhaps, it should be a national holiday.
While you're at it, I gotz some kwanza to sell ya...
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@HoustonSam
How many know that Georgia's, vote was obtained while that state was still under duress i.e. was still occupied? And Georgia's was far from the only one either.that is true of the votes of several other states as well.
I do! I do! The union troops (now nationalized) remained in Maryland until the State had adopted a new Constitution. Secession didn't even come up for a vote (post occupation) until the legislature had been replaced. The war didn't quit when the fighting ended.
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Screw em, combine MLK and Juneteenth and let them replace Labor Day in September, it's usually to hot to loot and burn then, and nobody likes Labor anyway. We can replace the missing February Holiday with a 'White Privaledge Day' in the middle of Black History Month. :smokin:
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Compounding the problem is the solution to slavery was a federal intervention and again after the rise of the KKK and Jim Crow was another federal intervention so there is a very strong belief that all solutions have to come from the federal govt and are done on a group basis.
That is just training for the second round, that being that all solutions have to come from International organizations, in preparation for reducing the sovereignty of nations to the husks of authority that the American States have become, beholden to the Federal Government for funding and approval.
There are some Black leaders that recognize we have moved beyond group solutions and individual empowerment and responsibility is the answer, but they are a distinct minority.
And it will be kept that way by the censorship of the mass media (now no longer limited to the broadcast airwaves, but on internet platforms as well). Workable solutions which ensure the survival of the Republic will only delay the imposition of the Globalist Order by offering an alternative to universal subjugation, namely a Republic in which all have opportunity, should they choose to utilize it,to improve their lot. That message is in direct contravention to the '_________ held me down, so I have to steal and destroy their stuff' instead of making my own message that is being sent today. Tear it down, rather than build it up, and all remain in the bottom of the 'crab basket' waiting for their global overlords to put on the lid and fire up the steamer. 90% plus of the Black vote goes to the Rats and the Rats are the party that has effectively emasculated Blacks and put them back on the plantation. I don't see this changing any time soon.
Right down to making the black male an irrelevant part of his own society and culture by supplanting the support and family roles of black males,when and where people fall for it, with government programs which inevitably fail, requiring more, new, and improved Government programs employing their overseers and keeping the survivors on the Plantation.
All that being said, I don't think it is appropriate to honor former Confederate generals at Federal military bases. If individual States want to do so that is their business.
If we are to remove names from military bases, let's rename them all after Medal of Honor Awardees. That is one criterion we could hopefully all agree on.
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Fair enough, yet consider this.
George Washington was a Lt. Colonel in the British Army, during the French & Indian Wars;
while our Confederate Officers were earlier graduates of West Point.
Both chose to support the principles and values they we raised by.
At present we honor the former yet condemn the latter but why?
The anti-bellum "lost cause" romanticism hides the under lying cause of the war, slavery. Denying the humanity of the slaves was an evil that had to be ended. In following their principals and values the Confederate officers were also defending their way of life which depended on making human beings beasts of burden. I don't see any honor in that. If the Confederacy had freed the slaves and then seceded I doubt there would have been a war and if there had it would have been over after Bull Run.
As I have said many times, if States want to honor their Confederate Generals I think it's their right to do so, but not at national sites such as military bases.
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If we are to remove names from military bases, let's rename them all after Medal of Honor Awardees. That is one criterion we could hopefully all agree on.
I'm with you 100%! If they don't deserve the recognition nobody does.
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Right down to making the black male an irrelevant part of his own society and culture by supplanting the support and family roles of black males,when and where people fall for it, with government programs which inevitably fail, requiring more, new, and improved Government programs employing their overseers and keeping the survivors on the Plantation.
The small group of Black conservatives fighting this all say the same thing, "two parent households where a father is a strong figure is the key to ending the cycle of poverty and violence". I agree with this. I just don't see it happening. We have youth being indoctrinated with identity politics/grievances and the need for an all powerful govt to fix everything. In the end freedom loving people will never live in peace with the neo-marxists.
At the end of the day some areas of the country are going to demand separation and the country will split. I don't think it will be a shooting war. The left doesn't have the desire to fight to keep the "deplorables" and they will think they are getting the better end of the deal because the GDP is greater in the bigger states.
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Right down to making the black male an irrelevant part of his own society and culture by supplanting the support and family roles of black males,when and where people fall for it, with government programs which inevitably fail, requiring more, new, and improved Government programs employing their overseers and keeping the survivors on the Plantation.
The small group of Black conservatives fighting this all say the same thing, "two parent households where a father is a strong figure is the key to ending the cycle of poverty and violence". I agree with this. I just don't see it happening. We have youth being indoctrinated with identity politics/grievances and the need for an all powerful govt to fix everything. In the end freedom loving people will never live in peace with the neo-marxists.
At the end of the day some areas of the country are going to demand separation and the country will split. I don't think it will be a shooting war. The left doesn't have the desire to fight to keep the "deplorables" and they will think they are getting the better end of the deal because the GDP is greater in the bigger states.
But that balkanization is the desired effect of all this divisiveness. It serves the greater Socialist (Communist) goal of a Global Socialist Government by stripping the remnants of the strength we formerly had in working together to defeat outside enemies. Unless we can get back to being Americans first, this Nation's future will resemble the future of a great industrial empire torn to scraps by feuding heirs to the benefit of none of them.
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The anti-bellum "lost cause" romanticism hides the under lying cause of the war, slavery. Denying the humanity of the slaves was an evil that had to be ended. In following their principals and values the Confederate officers were also defending their way of life which depended on making human beings beasts of burden. I don't see any honor in that. If the Confederacy had freed the slaves and then seceded I doubt there would have been a war and if there had it would have been over after Bull Run.
As I have said many times, if States want to honor their Confederate Generals I think it's their right to do so, but not at national sites such as military bases.
@bilo
That's an opinion completely at odds with Lincoln's stated policy and with his actual treatment of slavery during the war. Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley is frequently quoted :
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."
Lincoln's war aim was not to free the slaves, it was to deny the liberty of self-government to the Southern States. Union troops waged war against the Confederacy, on Southern soil, for almost two years before the Emancipation Proclamation, and even that document did not free the slaves in any location, Union or Confederate, under Union control; it did isolate the Confederacy so that foreign recognition would not be be forthcoming, and it enlisted Northern abolitionists more forcefully into supporting the war. As late as the Hampton Roads Conference of February 1865 Lincoln was willing to negotiate on slavery but not on union.
Lost Cause advocates are wrong when they argue that slavery was irrelevant. Several of the original seven Confederate states described slavery as a cause (sometimes *the* cause) of secession in their secession documents; the Confederate constitution explicitly required slavery in every state; Vice President Alexander Hamilton Stephens identified slavery as the key principle of the Confederacy in the Cornerstone speech. Had it not been for slavery there would have been no Southern secession and no Confederacy.
But the Confederates did not desire war with the Union, they desired simply to leave the Union, and the states of the upper South seceded only after Lincoln called for an invasion of the Deep South. Slavery was the cause of the original seven Confederate states' secession, but not the cause of war. Lincoln's insistence on forcibly retaining the Southern states inside a union they no longer desired was the cause of war. Had the Confederates freed the slaves Lincoln would still have maintained his insistence on forced union, but it is conceivable that foreign recognition of the Confederacy and Copperhead opposition might have overcome his personal will.
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Right down to making the black male an irrelevant part of his own society and culture by supplanting the support and family roles of black males,when and where people fall for it, with government programs which inevitably fail, requiring more, new, and improved Government programs employing their overseers and keeping the survivors on the Plantation.
The small group of Black conservatives fighting this all say the same thing, "two parent households where a father is a strong figure is the key to ending the cycle of poverty and violence". I agree with this. I just don't see it happening. We have youth being indoctrinated with identity politics/grievances and the need for an all powerful govt to fix everything. In the end freedom loving people will never live in peace with the neo-marxists.
At the end of the day some areas of the country are going to demand separation and the country will split. I don't think it will be a shooting war. The left doesn't have the desire to fight to keep the "deplorables" and they will think they are getting the better end of the deal because the GDP is greater in the bigger states.
How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?
“No I’m not an American. I’m one of 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag saluter or flat waiver—no, not I. I am speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim(s). I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.â€
Malcolm X
The Ballot or the Bullet
April 3, 1964
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How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?
“No I’m not an American. I’m one of 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag saluter or flat waiver—no, not I. I am speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim(s). I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.â€
Malcolm X
The Ballot or the Bullet
April 3, 1964
If 40 acres and a mule didn't work, maybe a free one way ticket to the foreign nation of their choice.
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Malcolm X was no friend of America! He seems "moderate" because the Democrats have gone out-and-out communist. He hated white people.
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How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?
Are the rest of us actually accountable to reverse that resentment? I don't feel any accountability to do so, any more than I feel accountability for anyone else's attitudes and emotions other than my own.
I don't know that we can reverse it. There was certainly good reason for that resentment for many years, but those years have passed. If people insist on keeping that resentment alive today, six generations after abolition and two generations after Jim Crow; half a century after the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and into the era where *everyone immediately* joined in universal condemnation of George Floyd's murder, then the resentment is perhaps not susceptible to rational appeal. At some point people must be accountable not only for their decisions and actions, but for their attitudes as well.
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Malcolm X was no friend of America! He seems "moderate" because the Democrats have gone out-and-out communist. He hated white people.
The Malcolm X of 1964 was a much different man that the one who was killed a few years later, and the NOI didn't like his change, and had him killed for it.
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The behavior of the members of this forum illustrate why our side is losing, and will continue to lose.
You've gone from "what the devil is juneteenth"? (a next-to-nothing day in history) to arguing that perhaps, just perhaps, it should be a national holiday.
While you're at it, I gotz some kwanza to sell ya...
@Fishrrman
Free of stems and seeds?
It is a freaking mystery to me how weed dealers in da hood have gone all this time,and none have named their product "Kwanza" and sold it for 3 or 4 times as much as the other dealers were getting.
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Are the rest of us actually accountable to reverse that resentment? I don't feel any accountability to do so, any more than I feel accountability for anyone else's attitudes and emotions other than my own.
I don't know that we can reverse it. There was certainly good reason for that resentment for many years, but those years have passed. If people insist on keeping that resentment alive today, six generations after abolition and two generations after Jim Crow; half a century after the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and into the era where *everyone immediately* joined in universal condemnation of George Floyd's murder, then the resentment is perhaps not susceptible to rational appeal. At some point people must be accountable not only for their decisions and actions, but for their attitudes as well.
I am in agreement. First off, the attitude is not mine to reverse. I am not the one holding it despite being one who has, through payment of taxes, funded the social programs that allegedly benefit their recipients.
That I see those programs as having not benefited those who are on the receiving end nearly as much as instill an attitude that they are owed because they are poor, because of someone else who had nothing to do with the decisions they made themselves, nor the cultural inertia that reinforces those decisions while actively working against any who would thrive, is considered heretical, even as more of the same is called for to allegedly right wrongs claimed long before my birth.
I did no wrong to anyone. I have no guilt, nor will I. Therefore I have nothing to apologize for, and none to apologize to.
Would a holiday be enough? I doubt it. It wasn't enough when MLK died. When people are spitting on sandwiches and poisoning drinks of people they don't know, I am not sure what peaceful prescription would cure such a pathology.
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You know the answer: The winners write the history. BTW, the histories you like to post were all written by the winners (whether you know it or not). It goes without saying that had the South won the war, Lee and Jefferson Davis would be heroes.
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That winners dictate to history is largely true, yet what eternally resonates in
every comment you make, is the compulsive anger and petulance of someone
who has the rag on 24/7/365!!!!!
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I may be in a minority of opinion here, so be it.
I don't have a problem with this.
I actually think this is long overdue.
July 4th, 1776, we declared or independence, to make our country free.
June 19th, 1865, celebrated as the made all of our citizens free, living up to the promise:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
I took us 89 years to get there, but we got there.
Feel free to fire at will.
I AM A MINORITY HERE!
I think that the pandering to the minority in all things should end!
We have MLK day and a Whole Month dedicated to the so-called Black History!
(Regardless of how phony the 'facts' of that history are!)
All this does is further divide an already divided nation!
(Especially when all of the other history is being torn down, defaced, burned ...)
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That winners dictate to history is largely true, yet what eternally resonates in
every comment you make, is the compulsive anger and petulance of someone
who has the rag on 24/7/365!!!!!
:silly:
Don't ever stop being you, @Absalom!
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But that balkanization is the desired effect of all this divisiveness. It serves the greater Socialist (Communist) goal of a Global Socialist Government by stripping the remnants of the strength we formerly had in working together to defeat outside enemies. Unless we can get back to being Americans first, this Nation's future will resemble the future of a great industrial empire torn to scraps by feuding heirs to the benefit of none of them.
I would love to see that happen, but I don't think it will happen. The youth are indoctrinated with leftist ideology and then radicalized in college. In the past once the young got into the work force the radicalism drifted away, but now the corporate world bends to their indoctrinated beliefs. The courts are no help and politicians are worthless. I don't see this trend changing. Right now they are a minority that the media tries to convince us is a majority.
I know I'm not going to live in an America that is run by the likes of AOC and I think there are a lot of other Americans of the same mind.
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How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?
“No I’m not an American. I’m one of 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag saluter or flat waiver—no, not I. I am speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim(s). I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.â€
Malcolm X
The Ballot or the Bullet
April 3, 1964
We can't. Only they can do it. If they want to enjoy the fruits of the American Dream they have to be their own agents of change. I'm just not optimistic it will happen.
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I AM A MINORITY HERE!
I think that the pandering to the minority in all things should end!
We have MLK day and a Whole Month dedicated to the so-called Black History!
(Regardless of how phony the 'facts' of that history are!)
All this does is further divide an already divided nation!
(Especially when all of the other history is being torn down, defaced, burned ...)
Amen the pandering is sickening.
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I AM A MINORITY HERE!
I think that the pandering to the minority in all things should end!
We have MLK day and a Whole Month dedicated to the so-called Black History!
(Regardless of how phony the 'facts' of that history are!)
All this does is further divide an already divided nation!
(Especially when all of the other history is being torn down, defaced, burned ...)
:yowsa: pointing-up
And BTW @mrclose I happen to not believe you are in the minority here.
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:yowsa: pointing-up
And BTW @mrclose I happen to not believe you are in the minority here.
@Bigun @mrclose
Mrclose,I am in agreement with Bigun on this. Regardless of your ethnic background,religion,educational level,or any other "social factor",if the majority of people here don't consider you to be a "brother",I am posting on the wrong board.
Being a brother means shared beliefs and goals for both yourself,and your neighbors,regardless of how far away they may live. Has nothing to do with the accident of birth.
We are all Americans!
Well,maybe not all the Dim voters,but you get what I am saying.
This is one of the prime things that makes us different from the left,who consider themselves to be "Citizens of the World/Rulers of the Universe". We want to get along with and share and help our foreign neighbors,not rule over them as dictators.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun
@sneakypete
Thank You! :beer:
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@GrouchoTex
Have you tried penicillin?
:beer:
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Notice how @GrouchoTex didn't say what year.... :pondering:
On no, they're on to me!
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@HoustonSam
I know it's nitpicking,but it wasn't. It was just when some people finally recognized slavery had been made illegal.
Granted,there is a valid train of thought that states if YOU don't know about something it never happened as far as you are concerned,but still......
@sneakypete
This is a true statement.
The Emancipation Proclamation only allowed for freedom of slaves in the Confederate held territories where the Union Army had occupied those places.
It didn't actually account for those places already in the Union at that point.
Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Washington D.C. needed the 13th amendment to make that 100% outright illegal in those states.
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@sneakypete
This is a true statement.
The Emancipation Proclamation only allowed for freedom of slaves in the Confederate held territories where the Union Army had occupied those places.
It didn't actually account for those places already in the Union at that point.
Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Washington D.C. needed the 13th amendment to make that 100% outright illegal in those states.
@GrouchoTex
I would be willing to bet THOSE little factoids are not taught in our public schools,and most likely,not even in the private schools.
Sometimes history can just be so damn inconvenient,can't it? It shines a searchlight on the lie that the war was about slavery.
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@GrouchoTex
I would be willing to bet THOSE little factoids are not taught in our public schools,and most likely,not even in the private schools.
Sometimes history can just be so damn inconvenient,can't it? It shines a searchlight on the lie that the war was about slavery.
I believe that we both of us would like the history that is being taught to be true and accurate.
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I believe that we both of us would like the history that is being taught to be true and accurate.
@GrouchoTex
Yes,but the people with an agenda wouldn't like it.
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@GrouchoTex
Yes,but the people with an agenda wouldn't like it.
No, No they would not!
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Trade it for MLK Day. It'll balance things out a little more.
Nah, trade it for Chavez's. I'm surprised that the Hispanics haven't already acted up as they got pushed to the back of the bus with all of this.
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Nah, trade it for Chavez's. I'm surprised that the Hispanics haven't already acted up as they got pushed to the back of the bus with all of this.
@GtHawk
The Dims don't have the control over them like the do with the blacks. No "Rev-Runds" in control of the mamas,who would then slap the children into line.
Yeah,there are His or Her Panic political leaders,but almost all are elected officials who have to answer to the voters. Whole different people,whole different social setup.
Also,a LOT of the brown people I have met were Republicans,and didn't mind saying it. This has been true for a long time.
I am GUESSING,with absolutely no scientific research at all to back me up,is that the reason for this is the blacks mostly came here as slaves,so it is only natural they would tend to accept the modern system of slavery (welfare,AA,public housing,etc,etc,etc) as the natural order of things,and the people whose ancestors came here from south of our borders historically came here to work hard,improve their station in life,and to become solid citizens. To them,we were truly "the land of opportunity",and that is what they were looking for.
I have met many,many children of 2nd generation Americans from south of the border who were adults and who couldn't speak Spanish because it was forbidden in their houses when they were growing up. Their parents wanted their children to grow up to be successful Americans,not Mexican laborers. More that one has told me this.
And yet we have black Americans whose families have been living here for several generations who can barely speak English. One day these people are going to wake up and figure out what their "leaders" have done to them,and there will be a terrible price paid for that betrayal.
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The question was asked:
"How can we reverse the deep seat resentment that has simmered 56 years since Malcolm X first expressed it, and erupted again after George Floyd’s killing?"
Simple answer:
We can't.
No matter what whites do, it's always going to be there.
The more we appease, the more their demands will increase.
How many more decades must pass before Euro-Americans grasp this?
This is a divide -- ok, might as well say it, a racial divide -- that cannot be bridged, will NEVER be bridged.
For decades we have hoped for a solution which cannot occur.
Which is why we must now... look for some other kind of resolution.
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Oh for crying out loud. Our police force is being dismantled. Rioters are destroying monuments and statues and this is what the GOP comes up with?? 9999hair out0000 888mouth 888mouth 888mouth
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I am from Texas, and I've known about Juneteenth since I was a child.
I have never heard of it either.
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Black Friday. :rolling:
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@GrouchoTex
Have you tried penicillin?
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@GrouchoTex
I would be willing to bet THOSE little factoids are not taught in our public schools,and most likely,not even in the private schools.
Sometimes history can just be so damn inconvenient,can't it? It shines a searchlight on the lie that the war was about slavery.
Nope. Union Occupied States which had not seceded were not included in the proclamation. Besides, the war had been going on. We won't talk about desertions in Union ranks because it was one thing to fight to preserve the Union, quite another to free slaves, nor the Draft Riots in New York later the same year.
Seems folks just were not so altruistic as the Yankee History books claimed...
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Nope. Union Occupied States which had not seceded were not included in the proclamation. Besides, the war had been going on. We won't talk about desertions in Union ranks because it was one thing to fight to preserve the Union, quite another to free slaves, nor the Draft Riots in New York later the same year.
Seems folks just were not so altruistic as the Yankee History books claimed...
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Nope. Union Occupied States which had not seceded were not included in the proclamation. Besides, the war had been going on. We won't talk about desertions in Union ranks because it was one thing to fight to preserve the Union, quite another to free slaves, nor the Draft Riots in New York later the same year.
Seems folks just were not so altruistic as the Yankee History books claimed...
I must be old, because the very first thing my American History teacher said about the war was the Emancipation Proclamation freed absolutely nobody. And that was Michigan in the 70's. :shrug:
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On January 1, Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, which included nothing about gradual emancipation, compensation for enslavers or black emigration and colonization, a policy Lincoln had supported in the past. Lincoln justified emancipation as a wartime measure, and was careful to apply it only to the Confederate states currently in rebellion. Exempt from the proclamation were the four border slave states and all or parts of three Confederate states controlled by the Union Army.
Source: https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/emancipation-proclamation (https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/emancipation-proclamation)
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I have never heard of it either.
@dancer
Same here,and any title like that is too stupid to forget.
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@dancer
Same here,and any title like that is too stupid to forget.
Maybe that goofy title name is why I remember it.
It has been a State holiday since around 1980ish?
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Maybe that goofy title name is why I remember it.
It has been a State holiday since around 1980ish?
That is what I remember as well. I say, fine make it a national holiday. Whatever. But companies might not observe it. The company I worked for didn't observe a lot of federal holidays. But observed others. I assume there is still some freedom left for individual owners?
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That is what I remember as well. I say, fine make it a national holiday. Whatever. But companies might not observe it. The company I worked for didn't observe a lot of federal holidays. But observed others. I assume there is still some freedom left for individual owners?
Yep, so far anyway.