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Title: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: rangerrebew on February 02, 2019, 05:19:10 pm
Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”

Feb 2, 2019 11:00 am By Christine Douglass-Williams 13 Comments

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan called for a separate state for black Americans, saying that’s “what God wants” while those opposed he described as “slaves.”

Even though America twice elected a black President, Farrakhan continues to spread his rabid hatred against America, hatred that reaches the ears of many indoctrinated and angry black youth. He should instead be attacking the modern-day black slavery in Muslim countries including Algeria, Sudan, and Mauritania, about which most of Farrakhan’s followers do not know. Like many others, Farrakhan prefers to conceal the human rights abuses committed in the name of Islam today, while he nurtures and spreads the worst racism against white people, and particularly against Jews.

Farrakhan has stated:

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/nation-of-islams-farrakhan-calls-for-separate-state-for-black-americans (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/nation-of-islams-farrakhan-calls-for-separate-state-for-black-americans)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: rangerrebew on February 02, 2019, 05:23:44 pm
Great!  There must be somewhere in Africa or South America that has plenty of land available and, for a "small sum," would be happy to sell it. :03:

Loony Louie probably isn't aware of this but Abe Lincoln beat him to the punch over 150 years ago.  He never felt blacks and whites would be able to get along after slavery ended.  Quite prophetic.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: skeeter on February 02, 2019, 05:26:32 pm
Great!  There must be somewhere in Africa or South America that has plenty of land available and, for a "small sum," would be happy to sell it. :03:

Loony Louie probably isn't aware of this but Abe Lincoln beat him to the punch over 150 years ago.  He never felt blacks and whites would be able to get along after slavery ended.  Quite prophetic.

I'm sure what Louie has in mind is a state where only blacks are allowed. Of course all of his acolytes will still be able to travel freely anywhere else they'd like to go.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2019, 05:30:52 pm
Its bad when even the Scientologist don't want you Calypso Louie.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 06:49:29 pm
Quote
Even though America twice elected a black President ...

Huh?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2019, 06:51:42 pm
Huh?

Slick Willie?   :shrug:

Oh, I see.  He meant Obozo was elected twice not two blacks.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 06:59:47 pm
Slick Willie?   :shrug:

Oh, I see.  He meant Obozo was elected twice not two blacks.

Oh, right.  I'm trying to forget that Black time in our history. 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: 240B on February 02, 2019, 07:04:28 pm
Farrakhan has been saying this for decades. It is just more of his loony nonsense.

Anyway if he does want a 'Black State' where Blacks rule, all he and his followers have to do is to move to South Africa. They are doing everything he claims he wants to do. They are forcibly taking property from White people and are essentially driving Whites out of the country. What he claims to want already exists. All he has to do is to move there. But we all know that will never happen.

Like the Leftists, Blacks bitch and complain about how 'evil' America is, but they NEVER just LEAVE.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2019, 07:06:20 pm
Oh, right.  I'm trying to forget that Black time in our history.

Theorizing that one could time travel within ones own lifetime, I would like to step into the Quantum Leap accelerator and change history for the better and put right what once went wrong when the GOP chose Romney to unseat Obama and make him a One and Done President.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 07:17:55 pm
Theorizing that one could time travel within ones own lifetime, I would like to step into the Quantum Leap accelerator and change history for the better and put right what once went wrong when the GOP chose Romney to unseat Obama and make him a One and Done President.

I'd go back a few years to trip McStain. 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: EasyAce on February 02, 2019, 07:20:36 pm
Farrakhan has been saying this for decades. It is just more of his loony nonsense.
He's saying nothing that Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad didn't call for once upon a time. Muhammad's son and successor Warith (Wallace) broke with that and other NOI practises and tenets in the 1970s, which caused Farrakhan to break and re-name his own group the Nation of Islam.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2019, 07:34:05 pm
I'd go back a few years to trip McStain.

I'm thinking Hillary would have been better than Obama.  And I spit up a little in my mouth when I say that.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 02, 2019, 07:42:35 pm
So they want to go back to segregation. Interesting.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: dfwgator on February 02, 2019, 07:43:16 pm
Sounds like Joe Biden agrees......

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/01/biden-endorsed-segregation-black-pride/
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: 240B on February 02, 2019, 07:46:05 pm
I'm thinking Hillary would have been better than Obama.  And I spit up a little in my mouth when I say that.
Yes. Hillary would have been better. Hillary is a thoroughly corrupt, murdering, Satan worshiping witch. But at least she does identify as an American. My opinion, based on his words and actions, is that Hussein's allegiance is more with Islam than it is with America. His ultimate concern is always about what is best for his version (Shi'ite) of Islam and not what is best for the evil White slave owning colonists in America.

There is a reason that Obama and Farrakhan are such good buddies. They both think the same.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: 240B on February 02, 2019, 07:55:22 pm
The weirdest part of the Farrakhan story is that he himself is not even completely Black. You can tell by his creamy colored Black skin that there is a lot of White heritage in his background. Also, his facial features are more European than they are stereotypically Black.

That has always made me wonder if it is the White part of him or the Black part of him that is so filled with hate.

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.mD6AWzJaAVJJ0iD8wxnS7QAAAA&pid=Api)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: dfwgator on February 02, 2019, 08:10:12 pm

That has always made me wonder if it is the White part of him or the Black part of him that is so filled with hate.

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.mD6AWzJaAVJJ0iD8wxnS7QAAAA&pid=Api)

Been saying it for years, it's the mixed-blacks that are the worst, because they feel they have to overcompensate to prove that they belong with "The Tribe".
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: XenaLee on February 02, 2019, 08:17:59 pm
Yes. Hillary would have been better. Hillary is a thoroughly corrupt, murdering, Satan worshiping witch. But at least she does identify as an American. My opinion, based on his words and actions, is that Hussein's allegiance is more with Islam than it is with America. His ultimate concern is always about what is best for his version (Shi'ite) of Islam and not what is best for the evil White slave owning colonists in America.

There is a reason that Obama and Farrakhan are such good buddies. They both think the same.

But.... that wouldn't have (or doesn't/hasn't) stopped her from selling out her "country" for $$$.   Both are equally evil and a danger to America, IMO.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 08:23:44 pm
The weirdest part of the Farrakhan story is that he himself is not even completely Black. You can tell by his creamy colored Black skin that there is a lot of White heritage in his background. Also, his facial features are more European than they are stereotypically Black.

That has always made me wonder if it is the White part of him or the Black part of him that is so filled with hate.

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.mD6AWzJaAVJJ0iD8wxnS7QAAAA&pid=Api)

It can easily be both.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: truth_seeker on February 02, 2019, 08:25:11 pm
To a large extent, blacks today in America are free to integrate or segregate.

Since the 1960s "fair housing" laws ensured them that option.

I believe these political headline seeking troublemakers are outside the mainstream.


The membership of my closest 24 Hour Fitness club, indicates lotsa diversity. It appears blacks are driving some distance, to use the facility in t(my) mostly white Hood. 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: 240B on February 02, 2019, 08:25:35 pm
If Farrakhan, Lemon, and many other American Blacks, did go to Africa, they would likely faced prejudice from the native Black people there. They would not be accepted as 'real' Black people. And they would be called mulatto.

This is African Black. Other than immigrants there is almost no American Black person who looks like this.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c0/8d/57/c08d57d65627f2f355c33165eb683974.jpg)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 08:27:54 pm
So they want to go back to segregation. Interesting.

Nothing new about that either.  Many colleges and universities have black-only dorms and Student Unions.  The University I went to in the 70's had black-only Fraternities and Sororities.

Blacks have been "self-segregating" for decades.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 08:33:38 pm
The membership of my closest 24 Hour Fitness club, indicates lotsa diversity. It appears blacks are driving some distance, to use the facility in t(my) mostly white Hood.

Maybe it's self-preservation?  They don't want to get shot?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: dfwgator on February 02, 2019, 08:33:57 pm
It can easily be both.

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060918223203/startrek/images/0/06/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield.jpg)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: 240B on February 02, 2019, 08:45:38 pm
Nothing new about that either.  Many colleges and universities have black-only dorms and Student Unions.  The University I went to in the 70's had black-only Fraternities and Sororities.

Blacks have been "self-segregating" for decades.
When I went to high-school, there was a Black area in the cafeteria for "Blacks only" and the White area where anyone could sit. Nobody mandated or enforced this. That's just the way it was. The Black students just declared it to be that way. Self-segregation.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: DCPatriot on February 02, 2019, 08:51:26 pm
Now I'm wondering....which State should we 'give' them?

Seashore?  Land-locked? Temperate?  Tropical?

Would be an interesting experiment though.   How long before they would say, "uncle"?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2019, 09:42:27 pm
Now I'm wondering....which State should we 'give' them?

Seashore?  Land-locked? Temperate?  Tropical?

Would be an interesting experiment though.   How long before they would say, "uncle"?

You are mistaken: They would never cry "Uncle," they would demand we Gibsdemdat another state or two, and the right to live in any of the 50 plus DC and the possession places like PR and the Virgin Islands.  And extra Welfare for whatever state they're in.

We "owe them," dontchaknow. 888mouth

(Good to see you!)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: truth_seeker on February 02, 2019, 10:13:00 pm
Maybe it's self-preservation?  They don't want to get shot?


True story:


Summer 1965. The Monday after the "Watts Riots"

I wasworking construction in San Clemente. A quiet young black carpenter, spoke up at morning break "I was going to go up there to see my mother, but those 'ni^^ers' are shooting ni^^ers.



He lived in OC while his mom lived in LA.

I do agree hat moving/living in safe "white" areas is a great strategy for good living. Plenty of pro athletes, back to the 70s lived/live in OC. Jessie Jackson, Rod Carew, Dennis Rodman to mention a few.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2019, 10:20:19 pm
So did the man who Louisville's city council decided to rename its airport in honor of. 

Hint: It is a Muslim and he wishes people should be killed if in a mixed relationship.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/gov_northam_and_the_guy_who_said_kill_people_in_mixedrace_relationships.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/gov_northam_and_the_guy_who_said_kill_people_in_mixedrace_relationships.html)



Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: EasyAce on February 03, 2019, 12:51:42 am
So did the man who Louisville's city council decided to rename its airport in honor of. 

Hint: It is a Muslim and he wishes people should be killed if in a mixed relationship.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/gov_northam_and_the_guy_who_said_kill_people_in_mixedrace_relationships.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/gov_northam_and_the_guy_who_said_kill_people_in_mixedrace_relationships.html)
What the writer leaves out is that:

* Muhammad Ali gave the two-part Playboy interview cited in the article well before it was actually published, and for several years Ali often spouted rhetoric in line with Nation of Islam teaching not out of any real conviction but out of self preservation for as long as Elijah Muhammad was alive. Blood Brothers: The Fateful Friendship Between Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X (2016) revealed that Ali actually wanted out of the Nation of Islam for several years before Elijah Muhammad died in early 1975---but feared the old man would order his murder if he bolted, just as happened to Malcolm X a year or so after he bolted the NOI, denounced Elijah's hypocrisies, and renounced racism.

* No less than former boxing champion Sugar Ray Robinson discovered as much as far back as before Ali fought Zora Folley, in his final title defense in 1967, before being stripped of his title over his draft refusal. Telling Robinson he was afraid to submit to the draft because it would have gone against Elijah Muhammad's wishes, when Robinson replied "Forget the old man, is Elijah going to jail and all those other Muslims," Ali almost broke to tears in answering, "But I'm afraid, Ray, I'm really afraid."

"Afraid of what?" Robinson replied. "Of the Muslims if you don't do what they told you?"

Ali didn't answer but Robinson figured it out at once. "If you ask me," he told another sportswriter, "he wasn't afraid of jail. He was afraid of being killed by the Muslims." (Considering Malcolm X's fate at the hands of gunmen tied to the NOI, it was hardly misplaced fear.)

George Plimpton also believed Ali was scared for his life, possibly the reason he continued fealty to Elijah Muhammad despite being suspended by the NOI during his exile from boxing. (The suspension came after Ali told Howard Cosell in a TV interview that he'd go right back to boxing if he could. Elijah Muhammad considered that a sign of weakness.) Ali had already dealt with enough grief because he wouldn't accede to the NOI and dismiss the white advisors and trainers in his camp, including the almost father-and-son relationship he had with trainer Angelo Dundee.

* At a reception in Louisville a few months before Elijah's death, Ali snapped away a pair of the NOI's notorious Fruit of Islam guards who tried forcing him to leave while he was talking to Louisville Courier-Journal writers. Sportswriter Dave Kindred was there as well. "They always got somebody watching," Ali told Kindred, referring to the Fruit of Islam guards. When Kindred asked who "they" were, Ali replied, "I would have gotten out of [the Nation of Islam] a long time ago. But you saw what they did to Malcolm X. I ain't gonna end up like Malcolm X."

* After Elijah Muhammad's death in 1975 and the split between Wallace Muhammad and Louis Farrakhan, over Muhammad fils's renouncement of his father's racism and separatism, Ali stayed with Muhammad fils and declared publicly he didn't hate whites. He became a converted Sunni Muslim and remained so until 2005, when he converted to Sufi Islam.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Fishrrman on February 03, 2019, 01:29:12 am
Title:
Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”

I'd have to say that I agree with him on this one.

Blacks will NEVER be satisfied and content that they have wrestled free from "whitey's rule" until they have a state that they control from the top down.

So... perhaps they should have one. The only question is:
Which one?

I think that Georgia (or at least much of it), perhaps combined with the Jacksonville area of Florida, could become that new state. It would have "access to the sea", and Atlanta already is largely black-run, a magnet for them there.

In time, we could even see "Black Georgia" decide to secede from America to form its own "North American African Nation".

To which I'd reply, "fine -- have it your way".
Then... build a wall around the place.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 03, 2019, 01:43:42 am
Great!  There must be somewhere in Africa or South America that has plenty of land available and, for a "small sum," would be happy to sell it. :03:

Loony Louie probably isn't aware of this but Abe Lincoln beat him to the punch over 150 years ago.  He never felt blacks and whites would be able to get along after slavery ended.  Quite prophetic.


New Black Panthers is =NATION OF ISLAM.  One of the 10 things they demand is make America a NEW AFRICA.  What is wrong with the old Africa?  Also, NBP=Nation of Islam, wants white genocide in America.  We are on our way. South Africa, killing, torturing, raping white farmers, for them to give up their land for no compensation. Farms are fallow, as blacks there do not want to do the work. They will starve. 

After Abe Lincoln was called a bleep lover he said this below;
-----------------------------
 Abraham Lincoln Quote

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

~ Abraham Lincoln.  (1809-1865) 16th US President

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858

(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=lincoln;idno=lincoln3;rgn=div2;view=text;cc=lincoln;node=lincoln3%3A20.1 (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=lincoln;idno=lincoln3;rgn=div2;view=text;cc=lincoln;node=lincoln3%3A20.1)
 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 03, 2019, 01:47:20 am
Title:
Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”

I'd have to say that I agree with him on this one.

Blacks will NEVER be satisfied and content that they have wrestled free from "whitey's rule" until they have a state that they control from the top down.

So... perhaps they should have one. The only question is:
Which one?

I think that Georgia (or at least much of it), perhaps combined with the Jacksonville area of Florida, could become that new state. It would have "access to the sea", and Atlanta already is largely black-run, a magnet for them there.

In time, we could even see "Black Georgia" decide to secede from America to form its own "North American African Nation".

To which I'd reply, "fine -- have it your way".
Then... build a wall around the place.

Read my post upthread.  If they get a State they can kick all the whiteys out of, they'll demand more states to kick whitey out of.  Mo Betta Gibsmedat.

Meanwhile, they'l be allowed to travel to all states while blocking whitey from "their" state. 

Sorry, but it's No Deal.  They get what I get, and nothing more, or less.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 03, 2019, 01:50:57 am
Title:
Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”

I'd have to say that I agree with him on this one.

Blacks will NEVER be satisfied and content that they have wrestled free from "whitey's rule" until they have a state that they control from the top down.

So... perhaps they should have one. The only question is:
Which one?

I think that Georgia (or at least much of it), perhaps combined with the Jacksonville area of Florida, could become that new state. It would have "access to the sea", and Atlanta already is largely black-run, a magnet for them there.

In time, we could even see "Black Georgia" decide to secede from America to form its own "North American African Nation".

To which I'd reply, "fine -- have it your way".
Then... build a wall around the place.


Agree.  ^ 5

They already tried that in HAITI. About 1850. They mass murdered every white or mixed person they could find.  Then they were the first totally ruled black nation.  AND?  We have had to help them since 1915!  Still a cesspool.
Billions of our tax dollars spent there, building infrastructure, buildings, roads, education on farming. When they were on their feet, they asked USA TO LEAVE.  Where are they today?  SAME CESSPOOL.   THEY WANT ANOTHER HAITI.  The killing part, not nation.  NBP use bull horn to scream, "You want your freedoms? Kill a cracker baby".  You don't need videos for back up, do you?   

P.S. I see n***ger lover was BLEEPED....WHY NOT CRACKER?   SAME RACIAL SLUR. 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: XenaLee on February 03, 2019, 01:54:17 am
Read my post upthread.  If they get a State they can kick all the whiteys out of, they'll demand more states to kick whitey out of.  Mo Betta Gibsmedat.

Meanwhile, they'l be allowed to travel to all states while blocking whitey from "their" state. 

Sorry, but it's No Deal.  They get what I get, and nothing more, or less.

No Deal, indeed.   

Whiteys haven't been allowed to have their "Whiteys Only" space.  So who the hell do they (NOI) think they are.... demanding their own "safe space" from diversity?  What makes them so special?  Or... is it because Government has been forcing everyone else to bend over backwards for what "they want" for so long now (decades)... that they've come to expect it. 

The real irony is.... their representatives are the ones that have demanded and forced integration and diversity upon the rest of us.  Now they want all those decades of leftist laws and culture indoctrination reversed?  Sorry.  Life doesn't work that way, cupcakes.

Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 03, 2019, 01:57:30 am
No Deal, indeed.   

Whiteys haven't been allowed to have their "Whiteys Only" space.  So who the hell do they (NOI) think they are.... demanding their own "safe space" from diversity?  What makes them so special?  Or... is it because Government has been forcing everyone else to bend over backwards for what "they want" for so long now (decades)... that they've come to expect it. 

The real irony is.... their representatives are the ones that have demanded and forced integration and diversity upon the rest of us.  Now they want all those decades of leftist laws and culture indoctrination reversed?  Sorry.  Life doesn't work that way, cupcakes.

Three word all-purpose answer from the black people:  You.  Owe.  Us.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: XenaLee on February 03, 2019, 02:03:07 am
Three word all-purpose answer from the black people:  You.  Owe.  Us.

I don't owe them a damned thing.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 03, 2019, 02:13:48 am
Slick Willie?   :shrug:

Oh, I see.  He meant Obozo was elected twice not two blacks.


Funny how you mocked me, and said not to drink while posting, yet here you are just as obtuse!  KARMA. 

I don't drink.  I didn't understand a lame post about "picture".   You didn't get Obama was put into office twice.  333cleo
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 03, 2019, 02:19:36 am
You are mistaken: They would never cry "Uncle," they would demand we Gibsdemdat another state or two, and the right to live in any of the 50 plus DC and the possession places like PR and the Virgin Islands.  And extra Welfare for whatever state they're in.

We "owe them," dontchaknow. 888mouth

(Good to see you!)


I can agree on this post.  They will NEVER be satisfied.  Trillion of dollars in Welfare, Housing section 8, free medical, Affirmative action, Head start, no child left behind....they want reparations.  They need to ask their leaders in Africa for that. They sold them to black slave traders. Cirque.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Wingnut on February 03, 2019, 02:29:42 am

Funny how you mocked me, and said not to drink while posting, yet here you are just as obtuse!  KARMA. 

I don't drink.  I didn't understand a lame post about "picture".   You didn't get Obama was put into office twice.  333cleo


Nice try.  The problem with you is before you came along we were hungry. Now we are fed up.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 03, 2019, 02:35:48 am
This happening over & over again. Thanks obama. Always slug's to the head for most damage.  Below stomping to her head, face, skull.  Most damage.  WRONG HOOD...that was the "crime".





[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_Sl2G6ytc#]Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKTa7yNUyiA#)

Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 03, 2019, 02:45:00 am



Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_Sl2G6ytc#)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 03, 2019, 04:02:59 am
I don't owe them a damned thing.

If you're white you do, because all us whites made slaves out of them several generations ago, therefore we owe them a living.  This is what non-whites believe.

It's "White Privilege.  The theory is we get automatic advantage by immutable characteristic of having low melanin skin.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: XenaLee on February 03, 2019, 04:12:28 am
If you're white you do, because all us whites made slaves out of them several generations ago, therefore we owe them a living.  This is what non-whites believe.

It's "White Privilege.  The theory is we get automatic advantage by immutable characteristic of having low melanin skin.

Nope.  I had no such "privilege".   My ancestors were Irish (legal immigrants) and Cherokee (already here).... and were poor.  Instead of being given "special consideration" and freebies by the US Government, they had to work hard for anything they had, which wasn't much...with no help from anyone.  So cry me a river for these idiots demanding "special/free stuff"... especially on my dime.

Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 03, 2019, 04:24:21 am
Nope.  I had no such "privilege".   My ancestors were Irish (legal immigrants) and Cherokee (already here).... and were poor.  Instead of being given "special consideration" and freebies by the US Government, they had to work hard for anything they had, which wasn't much...with no help from anyone.  So cry me a river for these idiots demanding "special/free stuff"... especially on my dime.

I believe you....my life story is not far off from yours.

But it doesn't matter when Racial Justice is involved.  If you have low melanin your skin, you are guilty of whatever the crime needs to be to force you to Gibsmedat.  Our leftist friends taught folks to expect free everything, because they've been oppressed.

They haven't been oppressed any more than we have oppressed.

Oh, we get to cash the checks their mouths wrote.   9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: XenaLee on February 03, 2019, 04:29:59 am
I believe you....my life story is not far off from yours.

But it doesn't matter when Racial Justice is involved.  If you have low melanin your skin, you are guilty of whatever the crime needs to be to force you to Gibsmedat.  Our leftist friends taught folks to expect free everything, because they've been oppressed.

They haven't been oppressed any more than we have oppressed.

Oh, we get to cash the checks their mouths wrote.   9999hair out0000

Yeah.... I see just how "oppressed" they are.... every time I go grocery shopping I see examples of that oppression.....

like how they get free food while I have to pay for my own.... and then they load up those free groceries into a nice, new SUV..... while I'm driving probably the oldest car in the lot...lolol.   So really, I don't want to hear any more of their whining.   Seriously.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Absalom on February 03, 2019, 04:32:19 am
Tribal conflict was relentless across Africa from its earliest days
when POW's were executed, until about 300 AD, when it
dawned on some "genius" that there was a market for manpower.
Then presto, slavery was born and owned by Black Africa forever!
 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 03, 2019, 04:46:49 am
Yeah.... I see just how "oppressed" they are.... every time I go grocery shopping I see examples of that oppression.....

like how they get free food while I have to pay for my own.... and then they load up those free groceries into a nice, new SUV..... while I'm driving probably the oldest car in the lot...lolol.   So really, I don't want to hear any more of their whining.   Seriously.

Seriously, meetoo.   rrthree
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 03, 2019, 12:38:59 pm
Huh?

Americans twice elected a black president .. once in 2008 and again in 2012.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 03, 2019, 12:52:29 pm
I think they should move. They're in a state of Delusion, now.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: sneakypete on February 03, 2019, 01:03:59 pm
Farrakhan has been saying this for decades. It is just more of his loony nonsense.

Anyway if he does want a 'Black State' where Blacks rule, all he and his followers have to do is to move to South Africa. They are doing everything he claims he wants to do. They are forcibly taking property from White people and are essentially driving Whites out of the country. What he claims to want already exists. All he has to do is to move there. But we all know that will never happen.



@240B

NOT going to happen. American blacks discovered in the 60's that when they went to Africa with their white wives to lord it over the natives that the the only thing African blacks hated more than white people were American blacks. The US Army had trouble sending training teams to Africa in the 60's that had blacks on them because the Africans would complain about them,saying they didn't want any bleep slaves,and it was an insult to send slave offspring there to try to teach them.

American blacks will never admit it and get mad if someone else does,but their ancestors were NOT "African Kings". They were mostly the lazy,stupid,or cowardly from their own tribes,or captured Africans from other tribes they considered to be inferior.

Richard Pryor is a name that pops to mind that was shocked about how he was treated when he took his Swedish wife there for a "I'm better than you Victory Tour",and another is one of the original Black Panthers that fled the US for Africa to avoid prison time. He went to a communist African country expecting to be treated like a Revolutionary Hero,and was treated so bad he ended up coming back to the US to face trial.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: sneakypete on February 03, 2019, 01:07:11 pm
The weirdest part of the Farrakhan story is that he himself is not even completely Black. You can tell by his creamy colored Black skin that there is a lot of White heritage in his background. Also, his facial features are more European than they are stereotypically Black.

That has always made me wonder if it is the White part of him or the Black part of him that is so filled with hate.

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.mD6AWzJaAVJJ0iD8wxnS7QAAAA&pid=Api)

@240B

MY best guess is he is mad about being part black. The over-reaction is the give-away. He hates whites because they won't accept him as one of them.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 03, 2019, 01:53:24 pm
@240B

MY best guess is he is mad about being part black. The over-reaction is the give-away. He hates whites because they won't accept him as one of them.

Personally, I have no issues with his "blackness."  It's the Islam part that troubles me.  And his overt racism.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: sneakypete on February 03, 2019, 02:07:42 pm
Personally, I have no issues with his "blackness."  It's the Islam part that troubles me.  And his overt racism.

@Cyber Liberty

And the Islam comes from his skin tone. Blacks back in the 50 and 60's were taught that the most powerful African Kings were Muslims.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 03, 2019, 03:16:57 pm
@240B

NOT going to happen. American blacks discovered in the 60's that when they went to Africa with their white wives to lord it over the natives that the the only thing African blacks hated more than white people were American blacks. The US Army had trouble sending training teams to Africa in the 60's that had blacks on them because the Africans would complain about them,saying they didn't want any bleep slaves,and it was an insult to send slave offspring there to try to teach them.

American blacks will never admit it and get mad if someone else does,but their ancestors were NOT "African Kings". They were mostly the lazy,stupid,or cowardly from their own tribes,or captured Africans from other tribes they considered to be inferior.

Richard Pryor is a name that pops to mind that was shocked about how he was treated when he took his Swedish wife there for a "I'm better than you Victory Tour",and another is one of the original Black Panthers that fled the US for Africa to avoid prison time. He went to a communist African country expecting to be treated like a Revolutionary Hero,and was treated so bad he ended up coming back to the US to face trial.
I talked with a guy from Trinidad many years ago, and he said the basic pecking order was African at the top, Caribbean next, then American, from top to bottom. It was considered a move down caste (for want of a better way to put it) for any group to marry into one of the others. He said he'd never marry an American woman--his family would disown him.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: sneakypete on February 03, 2019, 03:37:50 pm
I talked with a guy from Trinidad many years ago, and he said the basic pecking order was African at the top, Caribbean next, then American, from top to bottom. It was considered a move down caste (for want of a better way to put it) for any group to marry into one of the others. He said he'd never marry an American woman--his family would disown him.

@Smokin Joe

Yup!
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: goatprairie on February 03, 2019, 05:10:47 pm
@240B

NOT going to happen. American blacks discovered in the 60's that when they went to Africa with their white wives to lord it over the natives that the the only thing African blacks hated more than white people were American blacks. The US Army had trouble sending training teams to Africa in the 60's that had blacks on them because the Africans would complain about them,saying they didn't want any bleep slaves,and it was an insult to send slave offspring there to try to teach them.

American blacks will never admit it and get mad if someone else does,but their ancestors were NOT "African Kings". They were mostly the lazy,stupid,or cowardly from their own tribes,or captured Africans from other tribes they considered to be inferior.

Richard Pryor is a name that pops to mind that was shocked about how he was treated when he took his Swedish wife there for a "I'm better than you Victory Tour",and another is one of the original Black Panthers that fled the US for Africa to avoid prison time. He went to a communist African country expecting to be treated like a Revolutionary Hero,and was treated so bad he ended up coming back to the US to face trial.
Some years ago a black writer for the WaPo named Keith Richburg did a tour of Africa.  He thought he'd find the black eden his slave ancestors were forced to leave.
Instead, he found things so awful in a number of the African countries he visited that when he returned to the U.S. he wrote a book called "Out Of America" in which he basically told black Americans to be grateful they were living in the U.S.
Ampng other things he saw were dead bodies floating by in the rivers and other awful sights.
I doubt things are much different in those African countries than when he went over.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: dfwgator on February 03, 2019, 05:15:27 pm
Should have picked our own damned cotton.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Absalom on February 04, 2019, 07:28:13 pm
@240B

NOT going to happen. American blacks discovered in the 60's that when they went to Africa with their white wives to lord it over the natives that the the only thing African blacks hated more than white people were American blacks. The US Army had trouble sending training teams to Africa in the 60's that had blacks on them because the Africans would complain about them,saying they didn't want any bleep slaves,and it was an insult to send slave offspring there to try to teach them.

American blacks will never admit it and get mad if someone else does,but their ancestors were NOT "African Kings". They were mostly the lazy,stupid,or cowardly from their own tribes,or captured Africans from other tribes they considered to be inferior.

Richard Pryor is a name that pops to mind that was shocked about how he was treated when he took his Swedish wife there for a "I'm better than you Victory Tour",and another is one of the original Black Panthers that fled the US for Africa to avoid prison time. He went to a communist African country expecting to be treated like a Revolutionary Hero,and was treated so bad he ended up coming back to the US to face trial.
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Reflective tale.
As Man evolved from his earliest days, culture/society developed and advanced the creation
of the the nation/state.
Yet this development was limited to Europe as well as parts of the Fertile Crescent and Asia.
Neither Africa nor South America experience this development and to this day remain bound
by their Tribal Cultures.

 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Absalom on February 04, 2019, 07:55:17 pm
Personally, I have no issues with his "blackness."  It's the Islam part that troubles me.  And his overt racism.
----------------------------
A anecdote from history.
Tribal warfare in Africa dated from its earliest times.
Then, most prisoners we executed until someone grasped that there was a market for manpower.
It was the Arab Corsairs, sailing the Red Sea and Indian Ocean, who facilitated the slave trade,
as bus drivers; by transporting captured blacks to the markets at Jeddah, Mombasa and Mogadishu
where they were sold. It was a marriage of convenience and wealth.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2019, 02:55:49 am
----------------------------
A anecdote from history.
Tribal warfare in Africa dated from its earliest times.
Then, most prisoners we executed until someone grasped that there was a market for manpower.
It was the Arab Corsairs, sailing the Red Sea and Indian Ocean, who facilitated the slave trade,
as bus drivers; by transporting captured blacks to the markets at Jeddah, Mombasa and Mogadishu
where they were sold. It was a marriage of convenience and wealth.
...And, ironically, some Blacks convert to the religion of their enslavers, rather than embrace the religions that eventually set them free.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: goatprairie on February 05, 2019, 03:03:58 am
...And, ironically, some Blacks convert to the religion of their enslavers, rather than embrace the religions that eventually set them free.  :shrug:
I think a great many black converts to Islam fell under the sway of Malcolm X and the NOI. Muhammad Ali was maybe the first that I can remember. He was such a hero to black Americans he couldn't help but influence thousands of black athletes after him. Becoming a Muslim was a big poke in the eye to white Christians who had enslaved and discriminated against them.
I doubt  any of them bothered to read the history of Arabs and the slave trade. It was enough that MX was a Muslim who hated whites.  in their eyes he could not have been wrong.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2019, 03:19:14 am
I think a great many black converts to Islam fell under the sway of Malcolm X and the NOI. Muhammad Ali was maybe the first that I can remember. He was such a hero to black Americans he couldn't help but influence thousands of black athletes after him. Becoming a Muslim was a big poke in the eye to white Christians who had enslaved and discriminated against them.
I doubt  any of them bothered to read the history of Arabs and the slave trade. It was enough that MX was a Muslim who hated whites.  in their eyes he could not have been wrong.
That fallacy persists, that the whites were the enslavers. While whites (and free blacks) in the new world took advantage of that commodity, those who enslaved them were either Arabs or other Blacks, the traders in Africa were commonly Muslims, who, for all practical purposes, still practice slavery.
The fallacy that those here who are white were all slave owners' descendants and owe anyone is ludicrous, especially in light of indentured servitude, and whites who were slaves. And it ignores the Black slave owners, especially those who started the practice here among the Colonists. (The native tribes in America had slaves, too.)

But it was the Christian whites who ended the practice. Go figure. No good deed goes unpunished.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 05, 2019, 03:40:05 am
Great idea Louie. Why don't you take the Detroit area. No one is using it anyway.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPxElXRTtQ#)

Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 05, 2019, 03:55:34 am

But it was the Christian whites who ended the practice. Go figure. No good deed goes unpunished.
The practice persists to this day in places in the world where Christian whites are not in control. 

If they were, it would be eradicated permanently.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 05, 2019, 04:02:24 am
Americans, who are over 72% white, twice elected a black president .. once in 2008 and again in 2012.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: goatprairie on February 05, 2019, 06:04:04 am
That fallacy persists, that the whites were the enslavers. While whites (and free blacks) in the new world took advantage of that commodity, those who enslaved them were either Arabs or other Blacks, the traders in Africa were commonly Muslims, who, for all practical purposes, still practice slavery.
The fallacy that those here who are white were all slave owners' descendants and owe anyone is ludicrous, especially in light of indentured servitude, and whites who were slaves. And it ignores the Black slave owners, especially those who started the practice here among the Colonists. (The native tribes in America had slaves, too.)

But it was the Christian whites who ended the practice. Go figure. No good deed goes unpunished.
What you said is true but irrelevant to the minds of many American blacks. All they know was that all the  whites who had owned them and discriminated against them in America were Christians.
Which leads to the speculation that if American whites had been Muslims or some other non-Christian religion,  angry blacks wishing to foil whites would have become Christians.
I  think Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X,  and similar black malcontents chose Islam as a way to spite Evil Whitey rather than a strong belief in Allah and the Koran.
And look at the fake holiday of Kwanzaa created by Ron Karenga to try and usurp Christmas as the holiday for blacks.
A lot of the wacky things black people do they do to spite whitey. Look at the weird names black American mothers give their children. I worked with a Kenyan immigrant who was a  Christian. She and her family members  had regular Christian first names. No weird names for them.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2019, 08:07:19 am
What you said is true but irrelevant to the minds of many American blacks. All they know was that all the  whites who had owned them and discriminated against them in America were Christians.
Which leads to the speculation that if American whites had been Muslims or some other non-Christian religion,  angry blacks wishing to foil whites would have become Christians.
I  think Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X,  and similar black malcontents chose Islam as a way to spite Evil Whitey rather than a strong belief in Allah and the Koran.
And look at the fake holiday of Kwanzaa created by Ron Karenga to try and usurp Christmas as the holiday for blacks.
A lot of the wacky things black people do they do to spite whitey. Look at the weird names black American mothers give their children. I worked with a Kenyan immigrant who was a  Christian. She and her family members  had regular Christian first names. No weird names for them.
In the quest for "non-white" traditions, some have been adopted, some generated out of whole cloth.
 Kwanzaa is a fine example.
I think you are right in that traditions were egregiously sought which were NOT "white", as if seeking identity by defining themselves as what they were not, but in doing so discarded a number of things which were inherent in their culture in common with European culture--things basic to cultural survival.

Names once had meaning. Even traditional African names mean something.
I worked with an African whose name meant 'Cause for celebration'.

Amongst those who follow the teachings of The Bible (or Torah), names have meaning.
In Hebrew, my first name means "May Yehova give increase", a prayer.
Unlike "Le-a" (pronounced "Ledasha", which may have a meaning I am unaware of), the biblical and even other non-biblical names meant something.

Iron bars do not a prison make.
Some people will wear their hatred like the chains Arab and other African slavers put on their ancestors, and never realize that those chains of hate hold them down more than any person or group today.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: goatprairie on February 05, 2019, 03:21:17 pm
In the quest for "non-white" traditions, some have been adopted, some generated out of whole cloth.
 Kwanzaa is a fine example.
I think you are right in that traditions were egregiously sought which were NOT "white", as if seeking identity by defining themselves as what they were not, but in doing so discarded a number of things which were inherent in their culture in common with European culture--things basic to cultural survival.

Names once had meaning. Even traditional African names mean something.
I worked with an African whose name meant 'Cause for celebration'.

Amongst those who follow the teachings of The Bible (or Torah), names have meaning.
In Hebrew, my first name means "May Yehova give increase", a prayer.
Unlike "Le-a" (pronounced "Ledasha", which may have a meaning I am unaware of), the biblical and even other non-biblical names meant something.

Iron bars do not a prison make.
Some people will wear their hatred like the chains Arab and other African slavers put on their ancestors, and never realize that those chains of hate hold them down more than any person or group today.
I am not an advocate for a separate country inside the U.S. for blacks. I believe any black person who wants to quit the whining and get with the program is welcome in my America.
However, if a number of malcontents want things different, they are free to leave for parts known (or unknown) with my full blessing. I might even contribute to a fund to buy them tickets with the proviso of no return possible.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2019, 03:34:29 pm
I am not an advocate for a separate country inside the U.S. for blacks. I believe any black person who wants to quit the whining and get with the program is welcome in my America.
However, if a number of malcontents want things different, they are free to leave for parts known (or unknown) with my full blessing. I might even contribute to a fund to buy them tickets with the proviso of no return possible.
Well, that was tried, but maybe it would work better this time.

Either way, these folks are free to seek greener pastures.

As far as a separate country, a couple million like minded folks could likely immigrate to and overwhelm some small country and they'd have it. Don't like this pie, don't cut it up, go bake your own!
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Sanguine on February 05, 2019, 03:42:48 pm
In the quest for "non-white" traditions, some have been adopted, some generated out of whole cloth.
 Kwanzaa is a fine example.
I think you are right in that traditions were egregiously sought which were NOT "white", as if seeking identity by defining themselves as what they were not, but in doing so discarded a number of things which were inherent in their culture in common with European culture--things basic to cultural survival.

Names once had meaning. Even traditional African names mean something.
I worked with an African whose name meant 'Cause for celebration'.

Amongst those who follow the teachings of The Bible (or Torah), names have meaning.
In Hebrew, my first name means "May Yehova give increase", a prayer.
Unlike "Le-a" (pronounced "Ledasha", which may have a meaning I am unaware of), the biblical and even other non-biblical names meant something.

Iron bars do not a prison make.
Some people will wear their hatred like the chains Arab and other African slavers put on their ancestors, and never realize that those chains of hate hold them down more than any person or group today.

I was thinking of the same thing this morning re: this Jussie Smollett fake accusation.  "Jussie"?  A group of letters that sounded sorta cool to the parent(s)?  A name that openly rejects ties to our society and the past?  A name that rejects all of the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors who worked hard and from whom we all benefit?  Roads, medicine, healthy homes, great literature, etc?  A name that encompasses the rampant narcissism of our times. 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Sanguine on February 05, 2019, 03:43:45 pm
And, don't forget ABCDE.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: goatprairie on February 05, 2019, 06:38:38 pm
Well, that was tried, but maybe it would work better this time.

Either way, these folks are free to seek greener pastures.

As far as a separate country, a couple million like minded folks could likely immigrate to and overwhelm some small country and they'd have it. Don't like this pie, don't cut it up, go bake your own!
There are millions of blacks who've left the ghetto and sought greener pastures in very white areas. Like my insurance agent. He's done very well for himself, and I doubt he wants to go back to the violent, large eastern city where he grew up.
But it's disappointing to a formerly strong advocate of integration like myself to see so many black Americans still disgruntled, still angry, still blaming Evil Whitey for their problems.
Do black people really believe every inch of America is shot through with racism and holding them back?
How do they figure Oprah Winfrey could become a multi billionaire in a country dedicated to white supremacy?
I've run out of answers. I've also run out of patience with the malcontents. If they don't like things here, they can go try to find someplace better.  I hear SAfrica will be a paradise for black people in a few years when all the white people are gone, and there's plenty of land.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 05, 2019, 07:33:00 pm
Let them have Liberia.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 05, 2019, 08:50:14 pm
Farrakhan has been saying this for decades. It is just more of his loony nonsense.

Anyway if he does want a 'Black State' where Blacks rule, all he and his followers have to do is to move to South Africa. They are doing everything he claims he wants to do. They are forcibly taking property from White people and are essentially driving Whites out of the country. What he claims to want already exists. All he has to do is to move there. But we all know that will never happen.

Like the Leftists, Blacks bitch and complain about how 'evil' America is, but they NEVER just LEAVE.


......Perpetual victims whether they are OR NOT.   Like any LEFT they love chaos, upset, NEVER good enough. NEVER.

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNOCDENuypg#)
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 05, 2019, 08:54:39 pm
The black race is about 14 % in America, but do more than 70% of the crime.  Do you think some will get shot, in the process of a crime?   Any black person shot while being INNOCENT..I do not support, however, all crimes where it is a black person shot by police, it is on the CRIMINAL not police.  Having riots for the criminals does NOT make them innocent of the crime.

South Africa, is killing, torturing, burning, raping white people to get them to give up their farm land for ZERO compensation.  Who is wanting genocide?  BLACK RACE. We already have Haiti as one example.   ALWAYS BACKWARDS BY THE LEFT THINKERS.

Again, white liberals, lefts are nuts, if they think supporting kneelers or other Make Believe issue will 'save them" being killed by black race. IT WON'T. YOUR SKIN WILL INDICT YOU.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2019, 08:54:54 pm
Let them have Liberia.
Minneapolis?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: sneakypete on February 05, 2019, 11:16:51 pm
Minneapolis?

There is a difference between Liberia and Minneapolis?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 06, 2019, 12:03:32 am
There is a difference between Liberia and Minneapolis?
Minneapolis is colder....and farther from the ocean.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 05:52:25 am
Been saying it for years, it's the mixed-blacks that are the worst, because they feel they have to overcompensate to prove that they belong with "The Tribe".


Is that it?  Makes sense, as everyone with major race issues is mixed. Obama, Eric Holder, Cory Booker, Naginza pf New black panthers.  A totally black man in Africa is just happy. Same with mixed race women in congress.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 06:11:15 am
Should have picked our own damned cotton.

They did!  Black business owners, had black and  white slaves.  History does not want to tell you that. 
Then for XENA LEE;  IRISH WERE SLAVES...and treated worse than black slaves as blacks cost more. Irish women were made to breed with black males to produce another "black'  slave. Cheaper for them.   

THE SLAVES THAT TIME FORGOT....BY MARTIN.  Can't remember his full name. ( John, Tom? ). I will google.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam’s Farrakhan calls for “separate state for black Americans”
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 06:21:38 am
Like all article's now, they want to erase THIS HISTORY.  They play word games, like with the 'wall" Barrier". WHITE SLAVES.
They claim indentured. SAME TREATMENT AS BLACKS. WORD GAMES.
---------------------------------------------------

The Slaves That Time Forgot

By John Martin

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

http://afgen.com/forgotten_slaves.html (http://afgen.com/forgotten_slaves.html)
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Post by: LegalAmerican on February 07, 2019, 06:34:55 am


SEPTEMBER 2, 2018 AT 12:28 PM
The reason the Irish were indentured servants and not called slaves was in the 1700s slavery was declared illegal in the UK by judge mansfield…go see the movie ‘Bell’…..So they got around by different means, calling them pows, convicts, rebels, and or indentured servants.

The idea of white slavery does not fit with all the BS about the founding fathers…The gov of virginia had 2/3 black and 1/3 white slaves for example and except for the Adam’s the founding fathers were ...



DECEMBER 6, 2018 AT 9:57 PM
But it’s still going on in N.E. my Irish grandma all of us grandkids trafficked and forced to produce kids with men afainst our will then they steal our kids again. We are denied medical, lawyers, jobs, it’s better masked though but present.


SEPTEMBER 18, 2018 AT 2:34 PM
For those who fails to accept the truth being told by the writer, let me personally tell you for sure, I know for a fact that what the writer is telling the world is the truth. I was born in one of those Islands namely Montserrat, W.I, My ancestry was some the Irish slaves that the English Hauled away from there homeland. I know some people refuses to accept the truth no matter what, but I could care less if you accept the truth or not. May God forgive those who treat human beings as slaves.


 PhD, ACHPN
JANUARY 7, 2018 AT 9:07 AM
Thank you for sharing this unfortunate history of Irish slavery; none of this information was included world history classes taught in US public schools. So sad! ??



JANUARY 8, 2018 AT 4:41 PM
I see there are posts stating that this is a myth and that there were no Irish white slaves – I reposted your original story on my facebook page and would like to know what record of proof exists to back this article if any



JANUARY 25, 2018 AT 9:42 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html)
That is a new York times article allegedly debunking the myth.
However, just as in the above article says “they will try to call it indentured servitude ”
The NYT describes everything above, right down to children not having freedom even if the mother does…but they say it isnt slavery because Indentured Servitude.
It’s a myth only via jargon, not practice.



FEBRUARY 19, 2018 AT 8:53 PM
That was Liam Hogan and he can be blown up rather easily.You only needed to be 1/8th Black to be considered a slave and not an indentured servant and that was only if you could find your way to a court in the North.



JANUARY 25, 2018 AT 3:55 PM
Travel to some of the Islands of the southern Caribbean and take the tours. Many of them will tell you about the history of the Irish slaves on their Island. St. Kitts still has an area of the island they call Irish Town because that is where many of the Irish Slaves build their homes after they were released.


JANUARY 28, 2018 AT 7:51 PM
Search: ( links get rejected as spam )
The Irish of Barbados ( Irish America website )
Irish indentured labour in the Caribbean
( National Archives Gov UK Website )
Look into Cromwell and King James


MARCH 24, 2018 AT 9:10 PM
I actually know someone whose grandmother was an Irish slave. Not a myth.


MAY 30, 2018 AT 4:49 AM
Endemic within Americas history relating to facts concerning Oliver Cromwell’s Genocide against the Irish people living and dying in Ireland under the principle of extermination at all costs is historical factual evidence supported across the mediums of historically claimed events and times linking to the transportation of people with a different belief system claimed as protestants, which was not what the establishment of the clergy wanted . Hence the enslavement of a species known as protestants of white Irish ,ist remnants of slavery into the American colonies of death and disease in the 1600s


MAY 30, 2018 AT 9:12 AM
They don’t put it in the history books because if they did it would take away the “difference”. they cant have us fighting together for the same cause; that ruins their game (3 richest families in the world) everyone was and still is cattle to them except their little clubby members (believe me we’re not invited). Why do you think racism is being pushed so hard. Accommodations have changed but the game hasn’t . Keep us busy fighting (and fearing) each other and we’ll never know we’re being lead to the slaughter. They know what they”re doing .



I am appalled that this history has not been taught put in the mainstream it has been clearly and systematically wiped out of mainstream disgrace ! Can someone make a oscar winning movie please !! This Irish -Scottish history. Needs to be OUT THERE !!’


SEPTEMBER 19, 2018 AT 3:01 PM
They have survived. Their descendants live in the West Indies today. Google Redlegs.


SEPTEMBER 14, 2018 AT 6:47 PM
THANK YOU! Being Irish and Scots-Irish, I am almost 100 percent sure at least one or two of my ancestors were either indentured servants or outright white slaves. If ANY Afro-American EVER asks me for “reparations” when NO ONE in my ancestry ever owned black slaves and I certainly didn’t, I will tell them to shove it up their butts! With today’s SJWs and the promotion of so-called white guilt, it is about time someone besides Michael Hoffman (author of “They Were White and They Were Slaves”) brought this issue up. I learned about indentured servitude in grade school, but I doubt if they mention it any more. The truth of this is too politically incorrect, isn’t it. And thrilled a Rastafarian posted this…long live Bob Marley!

SEPTEMBER 14, 2018 AT 8:40 PM
Yes, much like the the thousands of British working class that were also ‘deported’ to the colonies – US, Australia, etc. Labeling all ‘Brits’ as oppressors is quite retarded. I have way more in common with the Irish working class than any of the effeminate British ‘elites’.



DECEMBER 10, 2018 AT 3:42 PM
If this article is truth, and I’m quite positive that it is, it’s time to expose snopes yet again for their own BS. And now they’re asking for donations to keep the lies coming.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/irish-slaves-early-america/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/irish-slaves-early-america/)

Revisionist history at it’s finest apparently.
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Revisionist history at it’s finest apparently.

I like *personal insult removed*