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Title: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 05:40:41 pm
EL PASO, TEXAS —
Police are responding to an active shooter at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas, police and media outlets said Saturday afternoon.


https://www.ajc.com/news/national/police-respond-active-shooter-paso-texas-walmart/n8OHUq3y2RbRM5e2oFaWQK/ (https://www.ajc.com/news/national/police-respond-active-shooter-paso-texas-walmart/n8OHUq3y2RbRM5e2oFaWQK/)


Breaking
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 05:41:08 pm
Ping @Sanguine
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 05:56:07 pm
Fox reporting 18 shot
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 05:56:17 pm
Thanks, Gefn.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 05:58:44 pm
 (https://bnonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2019CieloVistaMallElPasoTexasMap.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:00:10 pm
UPDATE: Up to 18 people shot at Walmart store in El Paso, Texas, local NBC affiliate KTSM reports. Details soon.

Police and other emergency services are responding to reports of an active shooting at the Walmart near the Cielo Vista Mall in El Paso, Texas, local officials and witnesses say. Only few details were immediately available.


The incident began at about 11 a.m. on Saturday when officers were called for an active shooter at Walmart. It was not immediately clear if police have confirmed a shooting and, if so, what is the status of the suspect.

While police have yet to confirm injuries, local NBC affiliate KTSM reported that there are multiple injuries in the Walmart. A caller who works at Walmart said a man walked into the store with a rifle and opened fire.

A large number of emergency services have been called to the scene while officers work to secure the scene.

“Active Shooter in area of Hawkins and Gateway East. Scene is still active avoid the area,” police said in a tweet. “Stay away from Cielo Vista Mall Area.”


https://bnonews.com/index.php/2019/08/active-shooter-at-walmart-in-el-paso/
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 06:00:49 pm
Thanks, Gefn.

Here's another link:  https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-police-respond-to-active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart (https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-police-respond-to-active-shooter-at-el-paso-walmart)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:02:20 pm
EL PASO POLICE DEPT
@EPPOLICE
Active Shooting Stay away from Cielo Vista Mall Area. Scene is Still Active.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:09:40 pm
BNO News
@BNONews
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Man armed with a rifle walked into Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and opened fire; the total number of casualties is not yet known - KTSM
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:14:47 pm
U.S. Emergency Alert
@ENSAlerts
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TEXAS: All residents in El Paso are asked to shelter in place. Active shooter in the Cielo Vista area. Stay away from the area and remain indoors. (Source: El Paso County 911)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 06:16:02 pm
U.S. Emergency Alert
@ENSAlerts
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TEXAS: All residents in El Paso are asked to shelter in place. Active shooter in the Cielo Vista area. Stay away from the area and remain indoors. (Source: El Paso County 911)

Not good.  That's a large, high population area.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:18:14 pm
EL PASO POLICE DEPT
@EPPOLICE
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Scene is still Active. We have multi reports of multiple shooters. Please avoid area police conducting search of a very large area. Media staging will be given when area is secure.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 06:20:55 pm
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BREAKING: Confirmed active shooter at Walmart near Cielo Vista Mall

by: Andra Litton
Posted: Aug 3, 2019 / 11:03 AM MDT   / Updated: Aug 3, 2019 / 12:17 PM MDT   

EL PASO, Texas (KTSM) —

UPDATE: KTSM can confirm that 18 people were shot inside the Walmart. The extent of their injuries is unknown at this time.

El Paso Police and multiple other law enforcement agencies are responding to a shooting at the Walmart an active shooter situation.

Details are limited at this time.

https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/ (https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 06:21:52 pm
Thanks, Gefn.

Got it ,from Apple alerts.  Yay Apple !
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:22:26 pm
BNO News
@BNONews
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3m
MASS SHOOTING
- Walmart in El Paso, Texas
- At least 1 gunman
- Up to 18 people shot
- Status of suspect unclear
- Motive unknown
- City told to shelter in place
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 06:27:51 pm
CNN live. Multiple shooters.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 06:31:39 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBELf77WkAUJrTS?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:02:08 pm
Fox reporting 1 person in custody and the threat has now been downgraded..
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:03:08 pm
no more active current threat...
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:03:55 pm
shooter in custody..21yo male
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: truth_seeker on August 03, 2019, 07:03:57 pm
best coveraage I found, is youtube live telecast of NBCnews

alternatinge Spanish, English

One or three persons in custody. Multiple deaths.

mayor de margo says no danger at this moment. still searching the area.

Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:05:32 pm
Dan Patrick, lieutenant governor, says 21 y/o shooter in custody.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:05:45 pm
HORRIFIC VIDEO: Active Shooter at Cielo Vista Mall in El Paso, Texas — Man in Black T-Shirt, Cargo Pants — VIDEO OF SHOOTING!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/breaking-active-shooter-at-cielo-vista-mall-in-el-paso-texas-police-report-possible-multiple-shooters/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/breaking-active-shooter-at-cielo-vista-mall-in-el-paso-texas-police-report-possible-multiple-shooters/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:06:30 pm
Fatalities not released at this time.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:10:12 pm
Shannon Watts
@shannonrwatts
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10m
BREAKING: A police officer said he had been told 18 adults and four children have been murdered in a mass shooting at an El Paso Walmart.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:13:53 pm
BNO News
@BNONews
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15m
BREAKING: Multiple fatalities and "many" injured in El Paso shooting, police spokesman says; 1 in custody
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:14:40 pm
Stories emerging of shooting inside the Walmart and shooter in parking lot blocking exit. Not clear of sequence. 15-20 shot.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:14:57 pm
merging with other thread
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: skeeter on August 03, 2019, 07:21:41 pm
Seems like these shootings will continue until everyone agrees with the democrats on guns.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:22:02 pm
At least 17 transported to hospital.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:22:27 pm
Seems like these shootings will continue until everyone agrees with the democrats on guns.

Hell, no.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:23:56 pm
CNN says 3 suspects in custody.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:25:25 pm
Waiting for official details to clarify situation.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:27:02 pm
I think this report is wrong


Mediaite
@Mediaite
 Â· 32m
Update: 3 People in Custody, Multiple Fatalities, At Least 18 People Reported Shot or Injured in Mass Shooting at El Paso Walmart (link: http://mediaite.com/a/euvra (http://mediaite.com/a/euvra)) mediaite.com/a/euvra
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:29:58 pm
FOX - El Paso mayor says multiple suspects in custody.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: skeeter on August 03, 2019, 07:33:37 pm
Hell, no.

I know I'm insensitive & cynical. But these things seem to always come just when the rats need the issue.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 07:34:35 pm
media briefing shortly
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:36:21 pm
I know I'm insensitive & cynical. But these things seem to always come just when the rats need the issue.
@skeeter

Yes, they do. Odd, isn't it?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 07:38:21 pm
It’s top on Drudge.

Here are links



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-el-paso-shooting-multiple-18823820 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-el-paso-shooting-multiple-18823820)


https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/ (https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/)

Report here says 18 dead.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9648132/active-shooter-ak47-texas-walmart/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9648132/active-shooter-ak47-texas-walmart/)

This one says it was an AK-57
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:39:58 pm
EPPD says one in custody.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:41:03 pm
Police say reports of shooting at Walmart and the mall. Not at a third location.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 07:44:51 pm
I hope no one here lives close to there
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 07:45:42 pm
Police presser clarified nothing. It's too early.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 07:49:13 pm
I hope no one here lives close to there

I don't know of any TBR members who do, @Gefn.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 07:49:51 pm
If there were multiple and well-armed shooters, I'm thinking cartels seems to be a possibility.

But we don't know the details for certain yet. This is a bit cartel style from the little reported so far.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 07:54:57 pm
Cielo Vista mall, I know it, there wasn't a Walmart by it back then. We will see, it was their best mall back then, multiple floors, fountains and some Spanish painted floor tiles.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 03, 2019, 08:09:09 pm
Seems like these shootings will continue until everyone agrees with the democrats on guns.

I hope that was sarcasm. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 03, 2019, 08:12:45 pm
The one thing you can count on, is the information fed to us by the News is always wrong.  Oh, and FOX will loop the same film hundreds of times.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: txradioguy on August 03, 2019, 08:22:14 pm
I don’t envy the law enforcement officers having to not only clear the Walmart but that mall and the Sams Club.

They’ve got their work cut out for them.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: dfwgator on August 03, 2019, 08:30:33 pm
CBS is speculating this is gang violence.  But it's speculation.  Seems no one can agree on the number of shooters, number of fatalities, if any, number of injured or what weapons were used.

Muddy the waters just enough so everybody can make their political hay out of it.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 08:34:02 pm
Fox News says shooter alive and in custody.  Very unusual if true.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 08:34:24 pm
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News flash
@BRNewsFlash
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30m
#BREAKING #ElPaso UPDATE:
Death toll Rises to 22 and at least 20 injured being treated in hospital, nine of them critical as gunman storms a Walmart store in El Paso Texas.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBEeEG4XUAIL6cM?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/BRNewsFlash
https://twitter.com/BRNewsFlash

First pictures of alleged shooter...

Above website says police say single shooter.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: corbe on August 03, 2019, 08:35:15 pm
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Chauncey L. Alcorn‏ @CLamontLives 

Follow Follow @CLamontLives

It appears the El Paso shooter(s) is a white nationalist that has posted a manifesto on 8Chan. I'm still verifying its authenticity, but based on my experience, it's legit. Has all the calling cards.

https://twitter.com/CLamontLives/status/1157741236624789506 (https://twitter.com/CLamontLives/status/1157741236624789506)

    Alleged pic of perp.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f8cff1d73d945d4067f9a89515addeac2f8a9977388e7cf5c8a5ee0121e1e63.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: dfwgator on August 03, 2019, 08:35:40 pm
Of course, but at least this time, CBS didn't automatically blame "right-wing gun nuts."

Give them time.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: dfwgator on August 03, 2019, 08:36:26 pm
Oh, and Bobby O'Rourke had to weigh in with his anti-gun stance:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-walmart-shooting-today-police-confirm-active-shooter-cielo-vista-mall-today-2019-08-03-live-updates/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-walmart-shooting-today-police-confirm-active-shooter-cielo-vista-mall-today-2019-08-03-live-updates/)

 *****rollingeyes*****

No one knows anything yet, but as usual, the anti-gun crowd is coming out of the woodwork repeating their usual BS.

Hey Beto,

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/uBwPtqJzuQSNG/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 08:36:48 pm
https://twitter.com/CLamontLives/status/1157741236624789506 (https://twitter.com/CLamontLives/status/1157741236624789506)

    Alleged pic of perp.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f8cff1d73d945d4067f9a89515addeac2f8a9977388e7cf5c8a5ee0121e1e63.jpg)

That's super bad news.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 08:37:51 pm
Oh, and Bobby O'Rourke had to weigh in with his anti-gun stance:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-walmart-shooting-today-police-confirm-active-shooter-cielo-vista-mall-today-2019-08-03-live-updates/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-walmart-shooting-today-police-confirm-active-shooter-cielo-vista-mall-today-2019-08-03-live-updates/)

 *****rollingeyes*****

No one knows anything yet, but as usual, the anti-gun crowd is coming out of the woodwork repeating their usual BS.

Robert Francis using this atrocity to get a bump in the polls. **nononono*
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 08:38:56 pm
@corbe  Check this out:

Quote
BNL NEWS
@BreakingNLive
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11m
BREAKING: El Paso shooter is Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBEnKpgXUAIjhp-?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1157749651279351810

They say way different
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 08:40:42 pm
There are many fake stories and names floating around the internet. The story of a manifesto with Christchurch sympathies is a hoax. I've heard several names including the ever-present-shooting hoax of Sam Hyde.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 08:41:31 pm
I'd betcha the victims like the Pulse Nightclub shooting in FL will be mostly Hispanics in this case. Sad!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 08:43:25 pm
https://twitter.com/CLamontLives/status/1157741236624789506 (https://twitter.com/CLamontLives/status/1157741236624789506)

    Alleged pic of perp.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f8cff1d73d945d4067f9a89515addeac2f8a9977388e7cf5c8a5ee0121e1e63.jpg)

Hoax.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 08:44:33 pm
Layout of the area:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBELf77WkAUJrTS?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/BNONews
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 08:46:14 pm
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Andy Ngo
‏Verified account @MrAndyNgo

Antifa is leading a "Border Resistance" militancy training tour that will converge on a 10-day siege in El Paso, TX. The promotional image shows border enforcement officers being killed & government property fired bombed. Organizers asking for "white comrades" to pay for others.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EArVjRMUwAEBC09.jpg)

I have no idea if this has anything to do with the shooting or not, but seems possible.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 08:48:41 pm
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the shooting or not, but seems possible.

Dan Patrick referenced this when he spoke on FOX. Told the bums to stay out of Texas.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: txradioguy on August 03, 2019, 08:48:45 pm
An Army E-4 rushed in to save a bunch of kids in the Walmart.

If his chain of command is smart they need to start working on the paperwork for his Soldiers Medal right now.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 08:52:14 pm
I don't know of any TBR members who do, @Gefn.

I’m glad.was worried about Victoria and corbe,
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 08:53:20 pm
I’m glad.was worried about Victoria and corbe,

Victoria is fine
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 08:54:11 pm
Flash News, bnl and bno are all excellent twitter accounts for breaking news, choose not to be informed if you care but I don't.

Flash news was right on top of things at the Christchurch shooting.  Excellent records of reporting news. Show me flaws if one is making blanket statements about twitter that they may not be informed about.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 08:54:12 pm
hospitals asking for blood
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: corbe on August 03, 2019, 08:56:28 pm
   I live in the Texas Hill Country @Gefn , El Paso is probably closer to Phoenix than it is to me.  Appreciate your concern, though. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 08:56:29 pm
BNO News
@BNONews
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Surveillance video shows gunman entering Walmart in El Paso; he's believed to be a 21-year-old man. Motive unknown

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBElc0JXoAYvdIs?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 08:58:19 pm
EL PASO POLICE DEPT
@EPPOLICE
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Blood needed urgently. Multiple injured transported to various hospitals. Blood donation centers Vitalent Blood Services at 424 s Mesa Hills and 133 N Zaragoza
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mountaineer on August 03, 2019, 08:59:09 pm
I don't often visit Walmart,  but always am armed when I do. If only someone had stopped this guy.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 08:59:28 pm
David French
@DavidAFrench
Regardless of whether that manifesto is real, this is still true:

We should be treating online alt-right/white supremacist radicalization with the exact seriousness we treat online jihadist radicalization.

If that manifesto is real, then this is especially true.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 09:00:02 pm
Victoria is fine

And @corbe is corbe, I guess.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Elderberry on August 03, 2019, 09:00:44 pm
El Paso, Las Cruces Vitalant centers seek blood donations for victims of Walmart shooting

According to a Facebook post, all three Vitalant locations in El Paso will be open until 5 p.m. Saturday and from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sunday to help the victims of the shooting.

Officials say the local center has sent 90 units of blood to one of the hospitals treating those injured in the attack.

Several other medical centers are also in contact with Vitalant to request additional blood, according to the post.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 09:00:49 pm
Dan Abrams
@danabrams
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4m
As #livepd fans know, we’ve followed @EPPOLICE
 and today they have been called to duty to help in so many ways. Please know that our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, the first responders, and the police who are doing such important work
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 09:01:10 pm
I’m glad.was worried about Victoria and corbe,

No, they're 500-600 miles away.  Thankfully.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 09:01:44 pm
David French
@DavidAFrench
Regardless of whether that manifesto is real, this is still true:

We should be treating online alt-right/white supremacist radicalization with the exact seriousness we treat online jihadist radicalization.

If that manifesto is real, then this is especially true.

I think French got suckered into the hoax but time will tell.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 09:03:44 pm
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Patrick-Crusius-Alleged-Walamrt-El-Paso-Shooter-Anna-Giaritelli-Twitter-08032019-600x563.jpg)

Washington Examiner reporter Anna Giaritelli posted the name and a photos of the alleged shooter, sourced to law enforcement, “A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week.”


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/photos-and-name-of-alleged-walmart-shooter-posted-by-reporter/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/photos-and-name-of-alleged-walmart-shooter-posted-by-reporter/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 09:09:46 pm
TV station reporting shooter's name is Patrick Crusius, (btw, there was a German Philosopher named Christian August Crusius fwiw) German name???

https://www.local10.com/news/crime/police-deaths-injuries-in-texas-shopping-complex-shooting (https://www.local10.com/news/crime/police-deaths-injuries-in-texas-shopping-complex-shooting)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 09:15:08 pm
Tom Winter
@Tom_Winter
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NBC News: There are at least 18 people killed and 40 people injured as a result of the shooting at the shopping center in El Paso, TX, according to senior U.S. law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 09:21:48 pm
So, if the various social media sites have developed algorithms that can determine what your politics are, where you live, where you shop, personal preferences, marital status or lack thereof, etc., why can't they develop algorithms that can determine a level of antisociablilty?  I'm not saying I like the idea, but if they can do what they do with the rest of our data, why not that?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: truth_seeker on August 03, 2019, 09:23:03 pm
I don't often visit Walmart,  but always am armed when I do. If only someone had stopped this guy.

My wife asked me, "isn't Texas open carry, like Arizona and Wyoming?"

I replied, "I believe so."

One shooter.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: truth_seeker on August 03, 2019, 09:37:30 pm
So, if the various social media sites have developed algorithms that can determine what your politics are, where you live, where you shop, personal preferences, marital status or lack thereof, etc., why can't they develop algorithms that can determine a level of antisociablilty?  I'm not saying I like the idea, but if they can do what they do with the rest of our data, why not that?

Scott Adams opined perhaps algorithms might identify high risk people, and provide them with "feeds" aimed to influence their behavior, in positive directions.


Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 09:38:08 pm
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Patrick-Crusius-Alleged-Walamrt-El-Paso-Shooter-Anna-Giaritelli-Twitter-08032019-600x563.jpg)

Washington Examiner reporter Anna Giaritelli posted the name and a photos of the alleged shooter, sourced to law enforcement, “A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week.”


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/photos-and-name-of-alleged-walmart-shooter-posted-by-reporter/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/photos-and-name-of-alleged-walmart-shooter-posted-by-reporter/)

Dressed the same as the person in the purported surveillance photo. Any official confirmation?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Elderberry on August 03, 2019, 09:41:24 pm
My wife asked me, "isn't Texas open carry, like Arizona and Wyoming?"

I replied, "I believe so."

One shooter.

Texas is open carry only if you have a License to Carry.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Elderberry on August 03, 2019, 09:44:37 pm
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
Patrick Crusius allegedly left behind a racist manifesto before the deadly shooting rampage at a mall.

https://newsone.com/3883517/el-paso-shooter-patrick-crusius/ (https://newsone.com/3883517/el-paso-shooter-patrick-crusius/)

A manifesto purportedly written by Crusius, perhaps even in the hours before the shooting attack that according to one report left at least 18 people dead, was left behind. Pages of the manifesto included anti-immigrant rhetoric with the author going into depth on why he is “against race mixing,” supports the idea to “send them back” and offering a prediction of “genocide.”
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: rustynail on August 03, 2019, 09:46:25 pm
Democratic Underground is saying the shooter is MAGA with an internet trail.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: truth_seeker on August 03, 2019, 09:49:35 pm
German name???


the ending "ius" was used in Swedish and perhaps German, to denote high status, like professors and religious figures.


Streling-Strelingius is an example in Sweden, centuries ago.

In English we use. "Andrew" in Swedish they use "Anders" and also "Andreas."

I believe the "ius" and "eas" endings are from Latin versions of Germanic names.


A multilingcargo pants,  multilingual friend of mine from Switzerland, named Andreas confirmed this for me years ago.

Sole shooter. Khaki
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 09:51:11 pm
Democratic Underground is saying the shooter is MAGA with an internet trail.

Hackers are screwing with his mylife profile. Supposedly twitter account inactive for two years and FB rarely used. Had three friends on FB.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: rustynail on August 03, 2019, 09:57:44 pm
Hackers are screwing with his mylife profile. Supposedly twitter account inactive for two years and FB rarely used. Had three friends on FB.
  Thanks.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 03, 2019, 10:00:38 pm
Cielo Vista mall, I know it, there wasn't a Walmart by it back then. We will see, it was their best mall back then, multiple floors, fountains and some Spanish painted floor tiles.

I lived in what was then the Viva Apartments, just north of Cielo Vista Mall. From google, the name has been changed to La Estancia.

My grandson and his dad are driving through EP enroute to Phoenix. Thankfully, they passed through about an hour before the shooting.

Way O/T, but it's crazy how things work out...my last battalion commander in Germany thought he was going to retire after that assignment. While turning a C-3 battalion into a C-1, he ended up on the Colonel's list, and ended up at Fort Bliss at a high visibility directorate.

One fateful Saturday summer morning, I walked out to my car. There was a 3x5 card on my windshield, and I immediately recognized the initials. It said, "come see me", with his apartment number.

He offered me a job as his Operations Officer after I finished the Captains course, and I immediately accepted. Shortly after, my future bride would come to work in my section.

I loved the 15 years I lived in El Paso, and today's events leave me deeply saddened.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 03, 2019, 10:10:20 pm
El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
Patrick Crusius allegedly left behind a racist manifesto before the deadly shooting rampage at a mall.

https://newsone.com/3883517/el-paso-shooter-patrick-crusius/ (https://newsone.com/3883517/el-paso-shooter-patrick-crusius/)

A manifesto purportedly written by Crusius, perhaps even in the hours before the shooting attack that according to one report left at least 18 people dead, was left behind. Pages of the manifesto included anti-immigrant rhetoric with the author going into depth on why he is “against race mixing,” supports the idea to “send them back” and offering a prediction of “genocide.”

The SOB should have stayed the hell out of El Paso, if he didn't like race mixing. It's been heavily Hispanic since it was founded over 400 years ago.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 03, 2019, 10:18:51 pm
Why does one think he did this Sherlock? It seems this was his motivation.

And that's why, repeating, this might be like the Pulse nightclub and Hispanics bearing the brunt of this attack. There is even a joke I heard, I never repeated it as something humorous, I hope it is not out-of-line to repeat it, "how do you kill 100 Mexicans", bomb a Walmart...sadly, we may see something like this here. The city of El Paso is probably 60% or more Hispanic I'd guess. 82.3% per this:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso,_Texas#Demographics

Drudge has up about him having a manifesto warning of the Hispanic invasion.

I also think people are real stinkers if you go somewhere you aren't even from and pull this crap, the Aurora theater shooter was from Calif. to do this, McVeigh wasn't from Oklahoma. It's really sad when you dump this hardship on people and, I don't know, it's sad either way but when you aren't even from the place.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: rustynail on August 03, 2019, 10:20:28 pm
FBI head Wray tried to warn us.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 03, 2019, 10:32:31 pm
Things are still developing, so who knows if this is accurate...


Patrick Crusius: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius/amp/
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 03, 2019, 10:45:56 pm
Thanks @edpc. Watching evening news from the alphabet networks and this tracks much of what they're reporting.

Oh geez!  NBC is playing a video of Bobby O'Rourke and his crocodile tears.  Gotta turn off the tv.  This performance is nauseating.


I hate to say it, but better get used to it. This guy hit the trifecta as far as liberals and gun control freaks are concerned.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Neverdul on August 03, 2019, 10:46:06 pm
The SOB should have stayed the hell out of El Paso, if he didn't like race mixing. It's been heavily Hispanic since it was founded over 400 years ago.

The irony is that as I understand, a good number of the people in that part of Texas of "Hispanic" ethnicity or with "Mexican" surnames, have been in the US (legally and prior to and since its very beginning, first as an independent nation and then as a US state) longer than a lot of us other Americans, including my own family.

My mother's maternal side of the family immigrated from Germany in the 1880's, her paternal side, from Wales in the 1850's and my father immigrated to the United States as a child in the early 1930's from Norway.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: corbe on August 03, 2019, 10:51:21 pm
   My Family has been here since 1729, when the US was just a gleem in the Patriots eyes. We participated in 3 of the 4 Texas revolutions.  Santa Anna chased us to Louisiana keeping us from the 4th.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 10:56:45 pm
   I live in the Texas Hill Country @Gefn , El Paso is probably closer to Phoenix than it is to me.  Appreciate your concern, though.

By the time you get to Phoenix she’ll be rising ......l
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 03, 2019, 10:58:32 pm
CNN has a live feed.


https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-tx-shooting-live-updates/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-tx-shooting-live-updates/index.html)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 03, 2019, 11:05:44 pm
NRA's fault

Bernie Sanders blasts NRA over El Paso shooting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-blasts-nra-over-el-paso-shooting (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-blasts-nra-over-el-paso-shooting)

Cory Booker calls for leadership willing to 'stand up' to NRA after deadly El Paso shooting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-calls-for-leadership-willing-to-stand-up-to-nra-after-deadly-el-paso-shooting (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-calls-for-leadership-willing-to-stand-up-to-nra-after-deadly-el-paso-shooting)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: dfwgator on August 03, 2019, 11:07:17 pm
And the Faux Sanctimony begins.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2019, 11:07:22 pm
Things are still developing, so who knows if this is accurate...


Patrick Crusius: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius/amp/

The absolute most important fact you need to  know.  When seconds count the police are only minutes away!  
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mountaineer on August 03, 2019, 11:10:26 pm
Pretty sure the NRA had nothing to do with this - or any other mass shooting in the past 60 years or more.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 03, 2019, 11:14:57 pm
So the fact that we went almost a full year with hardly any mass shootings and now all of a sudden we're supposed to believe everyone just DECIDED to start shooting people up again?

Yeah, right. Something bigger is afoot.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 11:22:04 pm
Pretty sure the NRA had nothing to do with this - or any other mass shooting in the past 60 years or more.

That doesn't stop the democommies from blaming them.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 11:23:19 pm
I think we'll find out there's a significant mental health history with the shooter.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mountaineer on August 03, 2019, 11:31:19 pm
Antifa? http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,370286.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,370286.0.html)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2019, 11:33:30 pm
I think we'll find out there's a significant mental health history with the shooter.

The people who are now dead won't care why the guy who killed them did it. 

The lesson to be learned is that the only person who can protect you is you!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 11:33:52 pm
Governor Abbott- 20 dead and more than two dozen injured. Damn.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: musiclady on August 03, 2019, 11:34:17 pm
Pretty sure the NRA had nothing to do with this - or any other mass shooting in the past 60 years or more.

It's a combination of brain dead and knee jerk that makes these idiot leftists instantly jump on the NRA for something they have absolutely NOTHING to do with.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 03, 2019, 11:39:07 pm
Governor Abbott- 20 dead and more than two dozen injured. Damn.

 :crying:
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 11:48:32 pm
Parents were divorced in 2011. EPPD won't release name. Says there are looking at the 8chan manifesto but it is not confirmed it is his.
2015 linked in page shows an unmotivated kid.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 11:51:07 pm
The first time I saw the manifesto it was attributed to an Afghani- that's what was debunked. Unclear if it's legit.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 03, 2019, 11:55:04 pm
Female Congressman Escobar ranting about the manifesto when its provenance in unclear. She said shooter came from outside of El Paso and people there have been nothing but welcoming to those who "come to the nation's front door." I think she was referring to illegal aliens.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 12:04:11 am
Police chief of El Paso, Greg Allen, says he could get the death penalty, that is, little consolation.

See coverage from Juarez, obviously a big story there too.

https://diario.mx

Otherwise, these kids, they see this stuff on the web, racist stuff I'm sure and play video games, their mental health might be influenced by this. No, I don't call for censorship but I'm sure some of these guys get a negative influence and are a bit like in that movie 'Talk Radio.'
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on August 04, 2019, 12:04:49 am
BNO News
@BNONews
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Surveillance video shows gunman entering Walmart in El Paso; he's believed to be a 21-year-old man. Motive unknown

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBElc0JXoAYvdIs?format=jpg&name=900x900)
These are the pics you will see ad nauseum for next several days or weeks proving that guns kill, when wielded by a while man.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 12:10:29 am
AMLO confirming 3 Mexican Nationals killed.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 12:11:01 am
Female Congressman Escobar ranting about the manifesto when its provenance in unclear. She said shooter came from outside of El Paso and people there have been nothing but welcoming to those who "come to the nation's front door." I think she was referring to illegal aliens.

She also said that there will be a time when she will address this manifesto.....yeah I can't wait..
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Victoria33 on August 04, 2019, 12:14:44 am
@Gefn 
@mystery-ak
Gefn, I am ok. Was traveling today so could not post. Now in hotel and saw Gov. Abbott talk about 20 dead, 24 wounded - just terrible.  The killer lives in Dallas and came to El Paso on purpose to kill people.  I went past Huntsville, Texas, today and that is where our death row criminals are.  The man who did this today will die in Huntsville, Texas. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 04, 2019, 12:20:36 am
@Gefn 
@mystery-ak
Gefn, I am ok. Was traveling today so could not post. Now in hotel and saw Gov. Abbott talk about 20 dead, 24 wounded - just terrible.  The killer lives in Dallas and came to El Paso on purpose to kill people.  I went past Huntsville, Texas, today and that is where our death row criminals are.  The man who did this today will die in Huntsville, Texas.
Should've been taken out on the scene. Now we have to hear the BLM types complain "BuT fErGuSoN!!1"
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 12:34:50 am
August 03, 2019
This legally armed military man rushed into action to protect children during El Paso attack

A gun-carrying good guy in El Paso, Texas, USA.

In every tragedy in this country we find out about the heroes who risk their own lives to try and help or save others. Already, El Paso is no exception.
Ditch the fake news ==> Click here to get news you can trust sent right to your inbox. It's free!

Glen Oakley is one of those heroes. Oakley was in the Cielo Vista shopping mall Saturday when shots rang out and the violence and tragedy began to unfold outside of the Walmart next door. He was shopping in Foot Locker and heard the gunshots, he said. When he went into the mall he saw children running in fear and confusion.

"It was a whole bunch of kids in there," he told NBC affiliate KTSM. "I hope nothing happened to the kids. I tried to pick up as many as I could and bring them out with me."

"I pulled my gun out," he told the reporter, because Oakley is a licensed gun-owner and had his weapon with him. "When I hear gunshots I just think ... take cover, save whoever you can."

more w/video
https://www.theblaze.com/news/this-legally-armed-veteran-rushed-into-action-to-protect-children-during-el-paso-attack?fbclid=IwAR13RmxScSy8LmI-e5zeGlZqr-aiayHK3w_iJUuiI4hm3Dy4r82WHaQ4KI8 (https://www.theblaze.com/news/this-legally-armed-veteran-rushed-into-action-to-protect-children-during-el-paso-attack?fbclid=IwAR13RmxScSy8LmI-e5zeGlZqr-aiayHK3w_iJUuiI4hm3Dy4r82WHaQ4KI8)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 04, 2019, 12:45:18 am
Parents were divorced in 2011. EPPD won't release name. Says there are looking at the 8chan manifesto but it is not confirmed it is his.
2015 linked in page shows an unmotivated kid.

So the kid went to Plano Senior High. I'm not blaming the school, but it's one of those mega high schools we have here in Texas. In this case, the campus serves only two grades, 11&12, of nearly 3000 kids. Easy to slip through the cracks.

My kids are in a nearby school district, Coppell, which last year opened a 9th grade campus, and has HS enrollment approaching 4000. It's going to get worse, as a nearby mixed use development (Cypress Waters) will add another 10,000 residents to the area within the next few years.

My youngest son's a senior in HS, been in band four years, and plays football as well. He stays busy as can be, and it takes both of us parents to keep him on the straight and narrow. We like it here, but I'm uncomfortable with the size of the HS...it's gone from a 4A to a 6A in about 20 years, the time we've lived here.

I prefer smaller schools, with less opportunity for slipping through the cracks. I cherished my years at Gonzaga, when it had undergraduate enrollment of about 2000. I had classes as small as 5 students, usually less than 20. My largest classes were in my major, accounting, which were usually close to 80 or more.

What made that unique is I had one professor for over 30 hours, and he was considered God on campus, accounting for about 5 % of the undergrad population. He also signed his paycheck over to the university, as he owned a hugely successful CPA firm in Spokane.

He taught strict accounting theory, and rarely used numbers.

Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 12:51:05 am
If there were multiple and well-armed shooters, I'm thinking cartels seems to be a possibility.

 

@TomSea

I wouldn't think so. Cartels are businesses that use violence to keep their employees in line,and to punish competitors that step on their toes. Random killings just ain;t their thing.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 01:02:02 am
@TomSea

I wouldn't think so. Cartels are businesses that use violence to keep their employees in line,and to punish competitors that step on their toes. Random killings just ain;t their thing.

I said if there were multiple gunman as first reported and many innocent bystanders have been killed in Mexico over the years. Some things they have done could be called terrorism.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 01:04:46 am
Watch for the piling on, it's already started. One sure wonders about the shooter. Psychotropic drugs?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 01:08:31 am
I don’t envy the law enforcement officers having to not only clear the Walmart but that mall and the Sams Club.

They’ve got their work cut out for them.

@txradioguy

I can't even imagine an effective way to do it,other than the obvious things like giving priority clearance to children and old people with walkers.

No matter what they do,there are going to be people finding fault.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 01:19:06 am
Of course, but at least this time, CBS didn't automatically blame "right-wing gun nuts."

@Applewood

Doesn't matter because they can focus on blaming the guns,just like they drove themselves there and and opened fire.

Once the clueless focus in on the "evil guns",the media can then shift focus to the most obvious gun owners,like NRA members and people with CCW permits.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 01:29:35 am
An Army E-4 rushed in to save a bunch of kids in the Walmart.

If his chain of command is smart they need to start working on the paperwork for his Soldiers Medal right now.

@txradioguy

At a minimum. Not to mention a promotion to E-5,and orders to Ranger School if they can talk him into it.  If not,some other sort of leadership school. This is one we don't need to let get away due to neglect.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 01:42:04 am
The irony is that as I understand, a good number of the people in that part of Texas of "Hispanic" ethnicity or with "Mexican" surnames, have been in the US (legally and prior to and since its very beginning, first as an independent nation and then as a US state) longer than a lot of us other Americans, including my own family.

 

@Neverdul

It was the same way in Denver when I lived there in the 70's. People who were born there considered themselves to be Americans,and made sure you knew they weren't Mexicans.

BTW,stating the obvious "Mexican" is a nationality,not a race".
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: skeeter on August 04, 2019, 01:44:31 am
@Gefn 
@mystery-ak
Gefn, I am ok. Was traveling today so could not post. Now in hotel and saw Gov. Abbott talk about 20 dead, 24 wounded - just terrible.  The killer lives in Dallas and came to El Paso on purpose to kill people.  I went past Huntsville, Texas, today and that is where our death row criminals are.  The man who did this today will die in Huntsville, Texas.

Lives in Dallas, travels to El Paso to kill people? IMO of course but this may say something about motive.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mrclose on August 04, 2019, 01:47:22 am
Jon Scott on Fox PISSES ME OFF!

Quote
Why do "White Guys" do this?

He said it on air for everyone's benefit ... I'm sure!

Anyone ever hear ANY @$$ Hole in the media say ... "Why do Black Guys do this"?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 01:52:24 am
Jon Scott on Fox PISSES ME OFF!

He said it on air for everyone's benefit ... I'm sure!

Anyone ever hear ANY @$$ Hole in the media say ... "Why do Black Guys do this"?

Good Lord. Even Governor Abbott said this will be prosecuted as a hate crime (as opposed to all those love crimes) as well as Capital Murder. What is worse than Capital Murder?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 01:56:51 am
Sen. Cruz or one of those Senators or other certainly spoke about designating cartels as terrorists, they've tossed grenades into plazas, town squares, so, yes, they can use terror as a weapon. Hanging bodies from bridges with signs could be called that too. Obviously, we do not have this with what is likely a lone wolf idiot.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 04, 2019, 02:22:19 am
If that was indeed the shooter's manifesto Trumps "send them back"campaign is going to pay an heavy price. But at this point there is no confirmation that it was written by him. ANTIFA could pen that in 30 min.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 04, 2019, 02:38:49 am
I just learned from a friend who lives in the area that the mall where this incident occurred is a TA DA gun-free zone.

Which answers the question of why there was no return fire.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Idiot on August 04, 2019, 02:40:59 am
BNO News
@BNONews
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Surveillance video shows gunman entering Walmart in El Paso; he's believed to be a 21-year-old man. Motive unknown

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBElc0JXoAYvdIs?format=jpg&name=900x900)
He's going in to slaughter innocent people and he's worried about hearing protection and eye protection...

Sad that concealed carry holders didn't have the time to put this low life down before he was able to kill so many.  That's why I'm not a fan of those types of guns.  They serve no purpose in society.  IMHO....
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: musiclady on August 04, 2019, 02:45:39 am
I just learned from a friend who lives in the area that the mall where this incident occurred is a TA DA gun-free zone.

Which answers the question of why there was no return fire.

Figures.

All the horrific gun violence takes place in "gun free" zones where no one is able to return fire. **nononono*
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 04, 2019, 02:48:52 am
He's going in to slaughter innocent people and he's worried about hearing protection and eye protection...

Sad that concealed carry holders didn't have the time to put this low life down before he was able to kill so many.  That's why I'm not a fan of those types of guns.  They serve no purpose in society.  IMHO....

The law-abiding LTCs cannot enter a place that makes itself into a gun-free zone as this one apparently did.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Axeslinger on August 04, 2019, 02:53:36 am
He's going in to slaughter innocent people and he's worried about hearing protection and eye protection...

Sad that concealed carry holders didn't have the time to put this low life down before he was able to kill so many.  That's why I'm not a fan of those types of guns.  They serve no purpose in society.  IMHO....

@mrpotatohead

Do a google search for “Stephen Willeford”

Or  “ar 15 stops home invasion”

And then get back to me.   Until then you’re just being an emotional nitwit.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Victoria33 on August 04, 2019, 03:00:21 am
Good Lord. Even Governor Abbott said this will be prosecuted as a hate crime (as opposed to all those love crimes) as well as Capital Murder. What is worse than Capital Murder?
@austingirl

If the act is also a hate crime that may mean the court case moves faster - the more crimes, the more people want the perp convicted faster.  However, I am with you - when convicted of killing one or many, the killer dies whether called a hate crime or not: killing = killing the killer. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 03:23:20 am
Good Lord. Even Governor Abbott said this will be prosecuted as a hate crime (as opposed to all those love crimes) as well as Capital Murder. What is worse than Capital Murder?

@austingirl

Capital Murder with a cherry on top?

Since there is no way they can get out of punishing the shooter in this case without the public turning on them,they are going to hammer him with every charge they can think of,
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 04, 2019, 09:39:24 am
@Gefn 
@mystery-ak
Gefn, I am ok. Was traveling today so could not post. Now in hotel and saw Gov. Abbott talk about 20 dead, 24 wounded - just terrible.  The killer lives in Dallas and came to El Paso on purpose to kill people.  I went past Huntsville, Texas, today and that is where our death row criminals are.  The man who did this today will die in Huntsville, Texas.

“Mom” so glad you are ok. Hope you and @mystery-ak got my postcard ❤️❤️
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Gefn on August 04, 2019, 09:41:04 am
@austingirl

Capital Murder with a cherry on top?

Since there is no way they can get out of punishing the shooter in this case without the public turning on them,they are going to hammer him with every charge they can think of,

Putting him in old sparky instead of lethal injection? I’m serious. I’d hate to go in old sparky.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2019, 10:40:09 am
I just learned from a friend who lives in the area that the mall where this incident occurred is a TA DA gun-free zone.

Which answers the question of why there was no return fire.
Well, that really kept the killer out, didn't it?  **nononono*
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mountaineer on August 04, 2019, 10:48:38 am
Well, that really kept the killer out, didn't it?  **nononono*
The only "no guns" notices I obey (as possessor of a concealed carry permit) are in places with metal detectors, e.g., the courthouse.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2019, 10:49:36 am
He's going in to slaughter innocent people and he's worried about hearing protection and eye protection...

Sad that concealed carry holders didn't have the time to put this low life down before he was able to kill so many.  That's why I'm not a fan of those types of guns.  They serve no purpose in society.  IMHO....
Yeah, that's why the police have 'em. (Nonsense.) What I'm not a fan of are people who take them some place and start shooting people at random. Heck, there are even laws against that sort of behaviour.

The stores declared themselves gun free zones. iirc, someone, even with a CCW can be prosecuted or at least evicted for carrying in the establishment (known as 30.06 and 30.07 laws).

Just like schools, it was a soft, target rich environment for the wacko, by the choice of the management.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2019, 10:51:06 am
Putting him in old sparky instead of lethal injection? I’m serious. I’d hate to go in old sparky.
Actually, if convicted, the firing squad might be poetic justice as well as just justice. Not sure if that has ever been an approved method in Texas.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Elderberry on August 04, 2019, 12:07:28 pm
During the American Civil War, three Confederate deserters and a man convicted of attempted rape were executed by firing squad. The State of Texas authorized the use of the electric chair in 1923, and ordered all executions to be carried out by the State in Huntsville. Prior to 1923, Texas counties were responsible for their own executions.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: goatprairie on August 04, 2019, 12:14:16 pm
Yeah, that's why the police have 'em. (Nonsense.) What I'm not a fan of are people who take them some place and start shooting people at random. Heck, there are even laws against that sort of behaviour.

The stores declared themselves gun free zones. iirc, someone, even with a CCW can be prosecuted or at least evicted for carrying in the establishment (known as 30.06 and 30.07 laws).

Just like schools, it was a soft, target rich environment for the wacko, by the choice of the management.
In his manifesto, the creep said he deliberately was going to pick a "soft target" i.e. a place he knew there'd be little chance someone would fire back.
When are stores going to get the message?.....crazed killers don't obey signs.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 12:31:21 pm
Putting him in old sparky instead of lethal injection? I’m serious. I’d hate to go in old sparky.

@Gefn

I would prefer they hang him and do it SOON.

Since there can be no question of guilt,hang him in public and air it on television in order to send the message that we are tired of this crap,and will be treating it seriously from now on.

However he is put down,make his execution MANDATORY viewing for every prisoner in every jail or prison in the country. Record it for mandatory viewing by any prisoners that couldn't view the original airing for whatever reasons.

Also,make view it MANDATORY is all juvenile detention facilities in the nation. Stop the teens from thinking being known as a murderer is something "cool",and we will have gone a long ways towards reducing the number of murders every year. The way it is now,the little gangsta wannabes know they can murder someone on live television and still be freed when they turn 18. That has GOT to stop.

However,the main thing is that he be executed soon and not have a chance to become a internet and television celebrity due to frequent court appearances. He is guilty,put him down.

BTW,I would like to see the media and LEO's stop calling these creatures by their name. This just gives them the "Fame" they seek.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 04, 2019, 12:51:01 pm
BTW,I would like to see the media and LEO's stop calling these creatures by their name. This just gives them the "Fame" they seek.
That'd be pretty easy. Instead of calling shooters by their name, they could just lump them into a demographic:

"Millennials go from killing industries to killing people"
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: verga on August 04, 2019, 12:51:06 pm
NRA's fault

Bernie Sanders blasts NRA over El Paso shooting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-blasts-nra-over-el-paso-shooting (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-blasts-nra-over-el-paso-shooting)

Cory Booker calls for leadership willing to 'stand up' to NRA after deadly El Paso shooting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-calls-for-leadership-willing-to-stand-up-to-nra-after-deadly-el-paso-shooting (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cory-booker-calls-for-leadership-willing-to-stand-up-to-nra-after-deadly-el-paso-shooting)
The NRA is the only organization that gets blamed for things not a single member has ever done!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 04, 2019, 12:56:32 pm
The NRA is the only organization that gets blamed for things not a single member has ever done!
And it's funny the left thinks they can destroy the NRA when Wayne LaPierre is doing a fine job destroying it himself!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 01:11:10 pm
El Paso Terrorist Is a Hardcore Progressive and White Nationalist: Wants Universal Income And Universal Healthcare
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/el-paso-terrorist-is-a-hard-core-progressive-and-white-nationalist-wants-universal-income-and-universal-healthcare/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/el-paso-terrorist-is-a-hard-core-progressive-and-white-nationalist-wants-universal-income-and-universal-healthcare/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 01:11:13 pm
But...but...but...that would be SO CRUEL!!!!!!!!!!!! *****rollingeyes*****

Actually, for some of these lowlifes, being executed publicly would be giving them what they want.  They would look upon their execution as martyrdom for some cause that would give them the attention they crave.  These losers would become famous.

@Applewood

You can't be famous if no one knows your name.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 02:12:54 pm
FWIW, I don't know how it was at this one or at other Walmarts in the land, the one near us, has a little police module (with a counter) or "desk" as you walk in and it almost seems like there are police cars out front every time you go.  That's not to say, this could have been avoided in anyway. The above could just be for show though, I think I've seen that desk usually with someone behind it.  I always thought, it was there to prevent your typical robberies. I wouldn't call this area high or low scale at that. I would not say the area has a high crime rate.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: goatprairie on August 04, 2019, 02:21:04 pm
FWIW, I don't know how it was at this one or at other Walmarts in the land, the one near us, has a little police module or "desk" as you walk in and it almost seems like there are police cars out front every time you go.  That's not to say, this could have been avoided in anyway. The above could just be for show though, I think I've seen that desk usually with someone behind it.  I always thought, it was there to prevent your typical robberies. I wouldn't call this area high or low scale at that. I would not say the area has a high crime rate.
You could put an armed person/policeman at every store/public building in the country, and it still won't stop a determined killer. A deranged person could just wait until school lets out or young kids run out for recess and do their dirty work.
I'm not against more armed guards, in fact I'm for having more armed guards.
But if some pyschotic individual is determined to kill people of whatever race, sex, or age, they can do it.
I'd like to see more done with mental evaluations of the killers and if, as a number of people have claimed, they were on or used drugs, especially pyschotropic drugs at some point.
I don't know what it is with millennial males, but there weren't many of these numbers of mass shootings fifty years ago. Nobody but a few professionals ever heard of psychotropic drugs in those days.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 04, 2019, 02:24:26 pm
You could put an armed person/policeman at every store/public building in the country, and it still won't stop a determined killer. A deranged person could just wait until school lets out or young kids run out for recess and do their dirty work.
I'm not against more armed guards, in fact I'm for having more armed guards.
But if some pyschotic individual is determined to kill people of whatever race, sex, or age, they can do it.
I'd like to see more done with mental evaluations of the killers and if, as a number of people have claimed, they were on or used drugs, especially pyschotropic drugs at some point.
I don't know what it is with millennial males, but there weren't many of these numbers of mass shootings fifty years ago. Nobody but a few professionals ever heard of psychotropic drugs in those days.

They go on psych drugs because they have psych problems. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 04, 2019, 02:36:01 pm
El Paso Terrorist Is a Hardcore Progressive and White Nationalist: Wants Universal Income And Universal Healthcare
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/el-paso-terrorist-is-a-hard-core-progressive-and-white-nationalist-wants-universal-income-and-universal-healthcare/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/el-paso-terrorist-is-a-hard-core-progressive-and-white-nationalist-wants-universal-income-and-universal-healthcare/)

So the manifesto has been proven authentic?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 03:00:27 pm
So the manifesto has been proven authentic?

Not that I've heard. IMO, going by the sentence structure, syntax, vocabulary and organization, the manifesto  was beyond the capabilities of the shooter.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 03:06:56 pm
The document criticized both Democrats and Republicans and expressed anti-government and anti-corporate views. The author claimed to have developed those beliefs before Trump’s presidency.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigators-reasonably-confident-texas-suspect-left-anti-immigrant-screed-tipped-n1039031 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigators-reasonably-confident-texas-suspect-left-anti-immigrant-screed-tipped-n1039031)

So the slacker, at age eighteen, developed his views on immigration and penned the scholarly treatise? Color me skeptical.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 03:22:33 pm
If this is the punk's manifesto, he may have lifted the language from some other source.  Didnt he allegedly say in some social media post that he was lazy, or words to that effect?

@Applewood

Yes, he said he would do just enough to get by and that working sucked. He also said her spent 8 hours a day on the computer and that counted as IT experience.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 04:01:18 pm
They go on psych drugs because they have psych problems.

@Sanguine

Yes,and at one time in this country,BEFORE we had all these pubic massacres,people on psych drugs lived on psych wards. There were a FEW mass shootings from nut cases not discovered before the shootings,but they were very rare.

Then,in the 60's,the ACLU and other un-diagnoised nutcases took the goobermint to court to have all the nuts set free,and won the case.

Suddenly,we had homeless people living in the streets and random mass shootings.

Gee,who could have ever predicted THAT would happen?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 04, 2019, 04:11:37 pm
(https://i.redd.it/ke7leem6mce31.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 04, 2019, 04:17:45 pm
@Sanguine

Yes,and at one time in this country,BEFORE we had all these pubic massacres,people on psych drugs liked on psych wards. There were a FEW mass shootings from nut cases not discovered before the shootings,but they were very rare.

Then,in the 60's,the ACLU and other un-diagnoised nutcases took the goobermint to court to have all the nuts set free,and won the case.

Suddenly,we had homeless people living in the streets and random mass shootings.

Gee,who could have ever predicted THAT would happen?

Okay. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: goatprairie on August 04, 2019, 04:30:14 pm
They go on psych drugs because they have psych problems.
Many young boys have been prescribed ritalin simply because they couldn't concentrate in school.
I was one of those boys who daydreamed all the way through grades 1-12.   In the eighth grade a nun, Sister Elizabeth,  made me write a letter to my parents about daydreaming thinking it would shame me into stopping daydreaming. It didn't have one iota of effect on me. I still went on daydreaming.
The only thing I liked about school was the library.
I might have been prescribed ritalin. Not because I was violent or acting up in class. And my grades weren't lousy....just average.
Just couldn't stop daydreaming. Me and millions of other boys chained to desks for eight hours.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: dfwgator on August 04, 2019, 04:32:37 pm
But...but...but...that would be SO CRUEL!!!!!!!!!!!! *****rollingeyes*****

Actually, for some of these lowlifes, being executed publicly would be giving them what they want.  They would look upon their execution as martyrdom for some cause that would give them the attention they crave.  These losers would become famous.

They should do executions like they do in Japan,  they  don't announce the date.  They just show up in your cell and tell you, 'It's Time',  and then they don't publicly announce the execution until two weeks after the fact.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 04, 2019, 04:34:29 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBGoDu9VUAAcGjz?format=jpg&name=small)

I don't know if this is true or not.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 04, 2019, 04:35:27 pm
Many young boys have been prescribed ritalin simply because they couldn't concentrate in school.
I was one of those boys who daydreamed all the way through grades 1-12.   In the eighth grade a nun, Sister Elizabeth,  made me write a letter to my parents about daydreaming thinking it would shame me into stopping daydreaming. It didn't have one iota of effect on me. I still went on daydreaming.
The only thing I liked about school was the library.
I might have been prescribed ritalin. Not because I was violent or acting up in class. And my grades weren't lousy....just average.
Just couldn't stop daydreaming. Me and millions of other boys chained to desks for eight hours.

Yeah, I get it.  Not good at all.  I can tell similar stories about my school days, but being a girl it was slightly easier to appear passive.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 04, 2019, 04:36:02 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBGoDu9VUAAcGjz?format=jpg&name=small)

I don't know if this is true or not.

If true, that’s insane. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 04:38:10 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBGoDu9VUAAcGjz?format=jpg&name=small)

I don't know if this is true or not.

If that is from mylife, that site can be edited by anyone. Yesterday his ethnicity was shown as Antifa on one version. That's why social media posts have to be treated with skepticism.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Idiot on August 04, 2019, 04:46:36 pm
Well, that really kept the killer out, didn't it?  **nononono*
I learned this morning that a good friend of our pastor was killed yesterday in the shooting in El Paso.  Please pray for the First Baptist Church of El Paso.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 04:52:27 pm
Feds treating El Paso massacre as domestic terrorism, suspect charged with capital murder
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/456103-suspected-el-paso-gunman-charged-with-capital-murder-report
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 04, 2019, 05:03:42 pm
If true, that’s insane.

Looks like it is probably true:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,370910.msg2025241/topicseen.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,370910.msg2025241/topicseen.html#new)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 04, 2019, 05:04:05 pm
I learned this morning that a good friend of our pastor was killed yesterday in the shooting in El Paso.  Please pray for the First Baptist Church of El Paso.

 :0001:
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 05:29:31 pm
'We are in a cold civil war': MSNBC commentator says terms like 'illegal immigrant' inspire mass shootings
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/we-are-in-a-cold-civil-war-msnbc-commentator-says-racially-divisive-language-plays-key-role-in-inspiring-mass-shootings (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/we-are-in-a-cold-civil-war-msnbc-commentator-says-racially-divisive-language-plays-key-role-in-inspiring-mass-shootings)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 05:30:37 pm
With all the attention given to ‘send her back,’ this rally moment is bound to be dusted off, given recent events. It’s not complicity, but it has not aged well.


At one point, Trump lamented that there are too many immigrants crossing the border but not enough border patrol agents or weapons.

“How do we stop these people?” he asked, to which someone in the crowd yelled: “Shoot them!”

Trump smiled and replied: “Only in the Panhandle you can get away with that statement.”


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article230209564.html#storylink=cpy (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article230209564.html#storylink=cpy)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 05:31:35 pm
El Paso shooting victim died protecting her 2-month-old newborn from gunfire
by Hunter Lovell
 | August 04, 2019 12:37 PM


A woman who was killed in Saturday's mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, shielded her 2-month-old baby from gunfire and thereby saved his life, the woman's sister told the Associated Press.

Jordan Anchondo, 25, was one of 20 people who died after a gunman opened fire at a Walmart in the Cielo Vista shopping mall. Anchondo was purchasing back-to-school supplies when the shooting began. Police said 26 others were injured in the attack.

Leta Jamrowski, Anchondo's sister, said her nephew suffered some broken bones, which were likely caused because his mother protected him.

"From the baby’s injuries, they said that more than likely my sister was trying to shield him," Jamrowski said. "So when she got shot she was holding him and she fell on him, so that’s why he broke some of his bones. So he pretty much lived because she gave her life."

Anchondo leaves behind three children.

Jamrowski also spent much of the hours after the shooting at the University Medical Center of El Paso anxiously awaiting the fate of her brother-in-law, Andre Anchondo.

"They said that if he were alive, more than likely he would have gotten in contact by now," Jamrowski said.

Thirteen people were treated at University Medical Center for injuries, including one person who later, died, according to spokesman Ryan Mielke. Two children were brought to El Paso Children's Hospital to be examined for wounds, and 11 other victims aged 35 to 82 were transported to Del Sol Medical Center, according to spokesman Victor Guerrero.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/el-paso-shooting-victim-died-protecting-her-2-month-old-newborn-from-gunfire (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/el-paso-shooting-victim-died-protecting-her-2-month-old-newborn-from-gunfire)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 05:41:56 pm
From the "manifesto":


"My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed bythe police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow..
My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric."


After reading the entire document, I hope the authorities find the actual writer.


Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: libertybele on August 04, 2019, 06:02:54 pm
:0001:

 :crying:  prayers up for the First Baptist Church of El Paso and those in TX as they deal with this tragedy.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 06:12:21 pm
After reading the entire document, I hope the authorities find the actual writer.


I wouldn’t read too much into that. Most of it is probably cobbled from things he’s read elsewhere. Besides, a lot of big talkers are nowhere near as brave as they think, once things happen.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 06:34:49 pm
Okay.

@Sanguine

Please note I changed the word "liked" to the word "lived" in my post. Should have been "lived" all along.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 06:43:10 pm
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Many young boys have been prescribed ritalin simply because they couldn't concentrate in school.

No kidding. I have Asperger Syndrone,and would sometimes come home from school with my muscles in knots from  clenching them to stop them from moving. Not to mention clearing my throat over and over to keep from saying random stuff. At times this was serious,and at other times I forgot it existed. I finally figured out it only seemed to get bad when I got stressed,and that right there removed most of the stress.


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I was one of those boys who daydreamed all the way through grades 1-12.

I did too,but mostly because I was bored out of my mind.


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I might have been prescribed ritalin.


I honestly believe if my condition had been even SLIGHTLY worse back then that I would have been institutionalized and drugged into submission. I didn't even know there was such a thing as Asperger Syndrome until I was an adult,and by then it wasn't a problem because I had plenty of things to do to keep me busy and my mind occupied,and I wasn't sitting at a damn desk all day in a school room with no fans or air-conditioning.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 06:44:49 pm
They should do executions like they do in Japan,  they  don't announce the date.  They just show up in your cell and tell you, 'It's Time',  and then they don't publicly announce the execution until two weeks after the fact.

@dfwgator

Who says they can't do both?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 06:44:57 pm
I believe in the hardship created in El Paso and Dayton; but I am having difficulty in grasping all this, it's unbelievable really.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 04, 2019, 06:48:04 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBGoDu9VUAAcGjz?format=jpg&name=small)

I don't know if this is true or not.

@Sanguine

I can understand how they can alter paperwork to make him a Republican instead of a Dim,but how can them make him an African-American multi-millionaire overnight?

Does that mean he is now a vic-tum instead of a perp?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 04, 2019, 06:52:21 pm
I still think killings in the poor part of town and deaths from opioids are overwhelmingly more than these mass murder killings, of course, that doesn't matter to those politicizing this.  And, if it is to be believed, both of these individuals yesterday yes, have a depraved warped view of reality.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 07:04:23 pm

I wouldn’t read too much into that. Most of it is probably cobbled from things he’s read elsewhere. Besides, a lot of big talkers are nowhere near as brave as they think, once things happen.

@edpc
Have you read the entire manifesto? It's not cobbled together. It is written in a very organized manner with varied sentence structure and a vocabulary and syntax above that of the shooter. Authorities believe he posted it but the question remains: who wrote it. I hope they find out.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: musiclady on August 04, 2019, 07:13:27 pm
I believe in the hardship created in El Paso and Dayton; but I am having difficulty in grasping all this, it's unbelievable really.

The shooter in Dayton killed his own sister!  8888crybaby
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 07:23:42 pm
@edpc
Have you read the entire manifesto? It's not cobbled together. It is written in a very organized manner with varied sentence structure and a vocabulary and syntax above that of the shooter. Authorities believe he posted it but the question remains: who wrote it. I hope they find out.


I have read it, which is why I say it is cobbled together. I think he has basically plagiarized or paraphrased material from different sources.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 07:28:46 pm
Along with the NRA, another favorite punching bag has been brought into the fray.


“How long are we going let, for example, and ignore at the federal level particularly, where they can do something about the video game industry,” Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick said Sunday on “Fox & Friends,” condemning the attack as “evil.”

[snip]

“We’ve always had guns. We’ve always had evil. But what’s changed where we see this rash of shooting?” he continued, calling violent video games “the common denominator.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-officials-point-to-video-games-after-el-paso-mass-shooting-180844051.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-officials-point-to-video-games-after-el-paso-mass-shooting-180844051.html)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 04, 2019, 07:30:26 pm
Along with the NRA, another favorite punching bag has been brought into the fray.


“How long are we going let, for example, and ignore at the federal level particularly, where they can do something about the video game industry,” Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick said Sunday on “Fox & Friends,” condemning the attack as “evil.”

[snip]

“We’ve always had guns. We’ve always had evil. But what’s changed where we see this rash of shooting?” he continued, calling violent video games “the common denominator.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-officials-point-to-video-games-after-el-paso-mass-shooting-180844051.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-officials-point-to-video-games-after-el-paso-mass-shooting-180844051.html)

Video games are potentially more at fault than the NRA is, along with movies that glorify revenge violence in soft-porn terms.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 07:37:00 pm
Video games are potentially more at fault than the NRA is, along with movies that glorify revenge violence in soft-porn terms.


No one is at fault, except for the shooter. He has conveniently pulled from various sources to justify his lack of reasoning skills impulse control.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 04, 2019, 07:47:47 pm

No one is at fault, except for the shooter. He has conveniently pulled from various sources to justify his lack of reasoning skills impulse control.

Nonsense. 
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 07:49:11 pm

I have read it, which is why I say it is cobbled together. I think he has basically plagiarized or paraphrased material from different sources.

@edpc

I completely disagree. I think it was fed to him by some Antifa handler.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 04, 2019, 07:50:21 pm

No one is at fault, except for the shooter. He has conveniently pulled from various sources to justify his lack of reasoning skills impulse control.

I agree..the blame is strictly at the shooter..no one made him do this
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 08:02:09 pm
@edpc

I completely disagree. I think it was fed to him by some Antifa handler.


You’re giving that group way too much credit. They don’t demonstrate anywhere near that level of forward thinking or organization.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 08:08:50 pm

You’re giving that group way too much credit. They don’t demonstrate anywhere near that level of forward thinking or organization.

@edpc
You're underestimating them. They are organized, well-funded, and dangerous.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/texas-lt-gov-tells-antifa-to-stay-out-of-el-paso-after-walmart-shooting (https://www.foxnews.com/media/texas-lt-gov-tells-antifa-to-stay-out-of-el-paso-after-walmart-shooting)

https://itsgoingdown.org/call-to-action-border-resistance-tour-and-convergence/ (https://itsgoingdown.org/call-to-action-border-resistance-tour-and-convergence/)

Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 04, 2019, 08:26:27 pm
You're underestimating them. They are organized, well-funded, and dangerous.


They’re anarchists, which makes them disorganized, by definition. These factions are made up of types who are repackaged Occupy Wall Street leftovers and wannabes. For such a ‘dangerous’ group, they end up on the wrong end of confrontations, every time.


Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 04, 2019, 09:21:43 pm

They’re anarchists, which makes them disorganized, by definition. These factions are made up of types who are repackaged Occupy Wall Street leftovers and wannabes. For such a ‘dangerous’ group, they end up on the wrong end of confrontations, every time.


@edpc
False. On so many levels. They seek chaos but are far from disorganized. Wrong end of confrontations. Look at Ngo. They have escaped consequences for their cowardly mask-wearing attacks.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 04, 2019, 09:32:54 pm

They’re anarchists, which makes them disorganized, by definition. These factions are made up of types who are repackaged Occupy Wall Street leftovers and wannabes. For such a ‘dangerous’ group, they end up on the wrong end of confrontations, every time.
They claim to be anarchists, but if they really are against any form of government, how do they organize a "protest"?
 Nonsense.
They are the (for now) shock troops of the Left. That they might get their butts kicked only draws sympathy from those who believe that they really are "antifascist", and "the Man is putting them down, and therefore, "The Man" is fascist". Those are the optics they want, aside from disrupting everything they can that has anything to do with Conservatism. That hasn't stopped them from administering beatings to individuals when they can. Just the threat of them hassling anything, from shakespeare in the park to a political rally cuts down on attendance, makes people avoid that part of town, etc. They are having an effect, and if they get to play the victim card, too, all the better on the 6 o'clock news.

Never underestimate your enemies.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 04, 2019, 09:38:32 pm
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They claim to be anarchists,...

Absolutely right!  Only a fool would think they would tell you what they really are.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mountaineer on August 04, 2019, 10:50:32 pm
Yes, he complained about immigration, but then there's this:
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The manifesto ticks off a number of far-right grievances, however, the author also devoted a significant portion to overpopulation and its contribution to environmental degradation.

“The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing [sic] the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources,” it went on, saying Americans are unwilling to change their lifestyle to save the environment. “Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent.”

The author concluded the “next logical step” is to decrease the population. “If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable,” the manifesto said.   ...
Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-shooter-manifesto/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 05, 2019, 12:29:32 am

You’re giving that group way too much credit. They don’t demonstrate anywhere near that level of forward thinking or organization.

@edpc 

The thing is we know very little about Antifa. All we have seen is the surface,and even that is very little. Meanwhile,they have been spending months,maybe even years organizing and establishing cells all over.

Or maybe not.

That's the thing. Nobody seems to really know.

I do think it is safe to assume it is a much more complex and wide-spread organization that what we have seen so far,AND,they have money behind them. Enough money to organize cells,pay organizers travel money,organizational money,and no doubt "spread the joy around money" to attract more followers,establish safe houses,etc,etc,etc.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 05, 2019, 12:34:15 am

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They’re anarchists, which makes them disorganized, by definition.



@edpc

Do NOT confuse the clowns with the circus masters. The people funding and establishing new cells are VERY organized. They have to be on no one would have ever heard of them,and they would have never been able to pull off the riots and resistance acts they have pulled off already.

Unless the feds start making felony busts on the financiers and planners soon,it will only get bigger.

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These factions are made up of types who are repackaged Occupy Wall Street leftovers and wannabes. For such a ‘dangerous’ group, they end up on the wrong end of confrontations, every time.

That is very true for the cannon-fodder foot soldiers,but not for the people who are organizing and financing the riots.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 05, 2019, 12:42:40 am
@sneakypete

What we do know about them is everywhere they gather, it’s a bunch of malnourished bike lock wielding emo punks or air horn blowing trannies. The idea they are masterminding and handling this El Paso shooter is some a of grassy-knoller bullf**kery. I’m not going to entertain it anymore.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 05, 2019, 12:44:21 am
@sneakypete

Who is guarding the guards?

I can't honestly say I trust the Federal Agencies to honestly surveil Antifa, nor to investigate them any more thoroughly than they did Hillary, her Foundation , Uranium One, Benghazi, or any of the long list of egregious criminal acts they have ignored. The partisanship in the upper echelons of investigative agencies at the federal Level and the willingness to ignore blatant criminality is a matter of record, when the criminality serves their partisan (Communist) purpose.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 05, 2019, 12:45:00 am
@sneakypete

What we do know about them is everywhere they gather, it’s a bunch of malnourished bike lock wielding emo punks or air horn blowing trannies. The idea they are masterminding and handling this El Paso shooter is some a of grassy-knoller bullf**kery. I’m not going to entertain it anymore.

@edpc

You've obviously closed your mind and refuse to look behind the curtain. Denial.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 05, 2019, 12:48:51 am
@sneakypete

What we do know about them is everywhere they gather, it’s a bunch of malnourished bike lock wielding emo punks or air horn blowing trannies. The idea they are masterminding and handling this El Paso shooter is some a of grassy-knoller bullf**kery. I’m not going to entertain it anymore.
The useful idiots and tools on the front lines, the cannon fodder, aren't the ones calling the shots. Certainly some of them are better equipped for street violence than others, the latter who make great 'sympathy shots' for the media when they get their clocks cleaned, like the ones you described.
We don't know who, exactly, or what, is behind the scenes, only the visible (street level) results.

That Antifa is just one limb of an octopus, with central guidance at the top has crossed my mind, and all these various groups are certainly pushing the ball in the same direction.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 05, 2019, 12:58:05 am
@sneakypete

What we do know about them is everywhere they gather, it’s a bunch of malnourished bike lock wielding emo punks or air horn blowing trannies. The idea they are masterminding and handling this El Paso shooter is some a of grassy-knoller bullf**kery. I’m not going to entertain it anymore.

@edpc

Uhhhh,that doesn't mean there isn't SOMEONE masterminding it. In FACT,I have seen videos and stills of certain people hanging back in the background directing the play of the anarchists,but never getting involved themselves.

Think about this for a minute. Are you actually claiming ANARCHISTS are ORGANIZING this stuff themselves? That's like claiming ducks are born with big flat feet to stomp out forest fires.

You KNOW it has to be somebody (Soros) with enough bucks to buy local,state,and federal officials,or the masks and helmets would have been banned a long time ago.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 05, 2019, 03:54:20 am
Can a case be made these are the same people because the longer haired picture does look like the guy who was in the picture of the male in the back of the police car. It seems the NY Post has run separate covers of Crusius with these pictures.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/patrick-crusius-mugshot.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/patrick-crusius.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)

In fact, both of the above have urls for the NY Post.... what's up with this? They look like 2 different people to me.

Pictures on page 4 of this thread:
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Patrick-Crusius-Alleged-Walamrt-El-Paso-Shooter-Anna-Giaritelli-Twitter-08032019-600x563.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBElc0JXoAYvdIs?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Just kind of interesting. I don't know if any of this means anything at all.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 05, 2019, 01:25:55 pm
The top one looks more like the shooter.

The other one might be a mistake by reposting the picture of that other shooting's perp.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 05, 2019, 03:39:08 pm
Another El Paso shooting victim has died in the hospital.
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Post by: DCPatriot on August 05, 2019, 03:47:13 pm
How many of the deceased and wounded are American citizens?   (asking for a friend)   :whistle:
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 05, 2019, 04:07:27 pm
How many of the deceased and wounded are American citizens?   (asking for a friend)   :whistle:

@DCPatriot

They still haven't released the identities of the victims. Wonder if some didn't carry ID?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: skeeter on August 05, 2019, 04:09:43 pm
Can a case be made these are the same people because the longer haired picture does look like the guy who was in the picture of the male in the back of the police car. It seems the NY Post has run separate covers of Crusius with these pictures.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/patrick-crusius-mugshot.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/patrick-crusius.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)

In fact, both of the above have urls for the NY Post.... what's up with this? They look like 2 different people to me.

Pictures on page 4 of this thread:
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Patrick-Crusius-Alleged-Walamrt-El-Paso-Shooter-Anna-Giaritelli-Twitter-08032019-600x563.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBElc0JXoAYvdIs?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Just kind of interesting. I don't know if any of this means anything at all.

I'm reminded of the different George Zimmerman photos.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 05, 2019, 04:11:46 pm
The top one looks more like the shooter.

The other one might be a mistake by reposting the picture of that other shooting's perp.

They are all legit pictures, Drudge has this one up along with a montage of the other killer currently.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBLP32IVAAAeDtC?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 05, 2019, 04:11:46 pm
How many of the deceased and wounded are American citizens?   (asking for a friend)   :whistle:

@DCPatriot

I don't know and I don't care because their nationality means nothing in reference to this. They are all murder victims,regardless of what citizenship they hold.

BTW,in case you don't know,it is as legal for Mexicans to cross into the US for a day of shopping as it is for Americans to cross into Mexico for a day of shopping.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Elderberry on August 05, 2019, 04:19:41 pm
@DCPatriot

I don't know and I don't care because their nationality means nothing in reference to this. They are all murder victims,regardless of what citizenship they hold.

BTW,in case you don't know,it is as legal for Mexicans to cross into the US for a day of shopping as it is for Americans to cross into Mexico for a day of shopping.

With a Border Crossing Card they can stay up to 72 hrs and  travel up to 25 miles beyond the border into California and Texas. In New Mexico, they can travel up to 55 miles from the border, and up to 75 miles into Arizona.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 05, 2019, 04:29:32 pm
With a Border Crossing Card they can stay up to 72 hrs and  travel up to 25 miles beyond the border into California and Texas. In New Mexico, they can travel up to 55 miles from the border, and up to 75 miles into Arizona.

@Elderberry

Thank you. I did not know that. I knew they could legally cross into America for a day at a time,but didn't know any of the details
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 05, 2019, 04:33:25 pm
Police say another person has died from El Paso shooting, raising death count to 21
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/456203-police-say-another-person-has-died-from-el-paso-shooting
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Victoria33 on August 05, 2019, 04:38:39 pm
Many young boys have been prescribed ritalin simply because they couldn't concentrate in school.
@goatprarie
@Saguine@
@txradioguy

"prescribed ritalin"

I was responsible for individual psychological testing of students in a jr. high school and two elementary schools.  This was in the time period schools discovered ritalin to control students, was almost always boys.  Here is the definition of Ritalin and below that is what I did when students were sent to me because they were not doing well in learning and tended to disrupt others who were paying attention to the teacher. 

Ritalin: "This medication is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - ADHD. It works by changing the amounts of certain natural substances in the brain. Methylphenidate belongs to a class of drugs known as stimulants. It can help increase your ability to pay attention, stay focused on an activity, and control behavior problems. It may also help you to organize your tasks and improve listening skills."

These students were referred to me - I was supposed to find out why the student was not doing well.  Before I did any testing, I talked to the student about his/her life from the time he/she was born plus asking him/her about what he/she thought of school.  I was the only one who could suggest to the parents to go to a neurologist for evaluation.  After the neurologist did an evaluation, he determined if Ritalin was appropriate for the student.  I was not going to send a kid to a neurologist unless I knew the neurologist knew what he was doing.  I went to a neurologist to talk to him about students referred to him.  He was not a pill pusher; he wanted to know about the student first, so my report was sent to him about each kid I sent there and we discussed the results of my testing and his results of the neurology examination before Ritalin was prescribed or not.  I was not a tool of the school to shut down kids' behaviors by giving them pills. 

Story:
A principal referred a 5th student to me because of his behavior.  The teacher was unhappy because this student ask too many questions, brought books which were not that grade level books, he would point out mistakes she made and he had a sex problem (he brought a pair of women's panties to school). The principal also thought this student was difficult for him to talk to.

The student was a delight.  His father was an engineer and student learned math/physics  from the father's books - he took those to school to learn while the other students were doing fifth grade math. 

His sex problem:  On Halloween, before treat or treating, the teacher told them to bring their treat bag to school so each one could show what they collected.  He took his bag there along with the rest of the students.  Someone had put a pair of women's panties in his bag, so there they were in the bag. 

I asked him what he thought of the principal and he said, "He overreacts." (And he did; that was an accurate description of the principal).  From my testing, I found he was at a 9th grade level of learning and more than that in math/physics.

I wrote my report and took it to that principal.  I had recommended he be passed to grade seven right then if the parents agreed.  The principal was delighted that he was getting rid of this student and certainly the teacher was pleased to get him out of her class.  NO RITALIN FOR HIM.  Most of the time, I could figure out a student's problem and pills were not the answer.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on August 05, 2019, 04:44:37 pm
Another victim passed within the hour..make that 22killed  8888crybaby
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 05, 2019, 04:46:04 pm
Another victim passed within the hour..make that 22killed  8888crybaby

 **nononono*   :crying:
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: truth_seeker on August 05, 2019, 05:07:59 pm
Trump said "involuntary confinement"

Thank you.

IDEA:

If social media algorithms can learn your preferences, in order to advertise and curate for you....

....then why not identify you for possible mental health violent concerns?


Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 05, 2019, 05:09:31 pm
Trump said "involuntary confinement"

Thank you.

IDEA:

If social media algorithms can learn your preferences, in order to advertise and curate for you....

....then why not identify you for possible mental health violent concerns?

I asked that question earlier, and it is a real puzzle.   Priorities, I guess.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 05, 2019, 05:19:43 pm
Analysis of internet and social media was mentioned in the speech.


"We must recognize that the internet has provided a dangerous avenue to radicalize disturbed minds and perform demented acts," Trump said Monday in the wake of shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio which left 29 people dead. "We must shine light on the dark recesses of the internet and stop mass murders before they start."

"The perils of the internet and social media cannot be ignored and they will not be ignored," Trump said.

"I've asked the FBI to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism. Whatever they need," Trump continued. "First, we must do a better job of identifying and acting on early warning signs. I am directing the Department of Justice to work in partnership with local, state and federal agencies as well as well as social media companies to develop tools that can detect mass shooters before they strike."


https://www.newsweek.com/trump-mass-shooter-detection-software-social-media-1452612 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-mass-shooter-detection-software-social-media-1452612)


How far does this go, however? I’m not a Q believer, but, I didn’t find this story particularly reassuring.


FBI says QAnon conspiracy theories a domestic terrorism threat

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/1/fbi-says-qanon-conspiracy-theories-domestic-terror/ (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/1/fbi-says-qanon-conspiracy-theories-domestic-terror/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: thackney on August 05, 2019, 05:29:01 pm
Trump said "involuntary confinement"

Thank you.

IDEA:

If social media algorithms can learn your preferences, in order to advertise and curate for you....

....then why not identify you for possible mental health violent concerns?

A few predictive algorithms and some AI to analyze the massive amount of data, then what do we get?

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/152892239066_/Minority-Report-Kevin-Wilson-Ape-Meets-Girl-Screen.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: EdJames on August 05, 2019, 05:33:21 pm
A few predictive algorithms and some AI to analyze the massive amount of data, then what do we get?

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/152892239066_/Minority-Report-Kevin-Wilson-Ape-Meets-Girl-Screen.jpg)

Yeah, this is definitely in the category of "be careful what you are asking for....."
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Elderberry on August 05, 2019, 05:41:11 pm
@Elderberry

Thank you. I did not know that. I knew they could legally cross into America for a day at a time,but didn't know any of the details
@sneakypete

It's the same for us going into Mexico. I mostly just went to the border towns. Once though we were going to drive to Monterrey so at the border after I crossed into Mexico I applied for a visa. That was many years ago. I seem to remember it was 40 miles into Mexico where you needed a visa. I don't even know what the rules are now.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: rustynail on August 05, 2019, 10:32:36 pm
Trump is going to El Paso is Beto going to allow this?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: txradioguy on August 05, 2019, 10:42:19 pm
Trump is going to El Paso is Beto going to allow this?

The Libs are trashing the El Paso mayor for welcoming the President to the city.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: edpc on August 05, 2019, 11:04:07 pm
The Libs are trashing the El Paso mayor for welcoming the President to the city.


She’s been in disagreement with him over the characterization of the city, vis-a-vis border crime/wall. However, she understands he brings federal resources the city needs for investigation and prosecution. So, she’s making the right call for EP citizens, whether they like it or not.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: corbe on August 05, 2019, 11:10:10 pm
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Willhurd.jpg/1200px-Willhurd.jpg)

   You do what you have too to survive, Politically, down there , just ask Will Hurd.   
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: bigheadfred on August 05, 2019, 11:11:52 pm
Trump said "involuntary confinement"

Thank you.

IDEA:

If social media algorithms can learn your preferences, in order to advertise and curate for you....

....then why not identify you for possible mental health violent concerns?

I thought that was what your regular MD was for?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 06, 2019, 05:43:28 pm
Just out of curiousity,anybody seen JEB lately?

No jobs,no prospects,no mamma to tell him what to do.........
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 06, 2019, 08:06:18 pm
Mexican officials have stated that they may try to extradite Crusius.  He's probably pooping his pants over the idea of being in a Mexican prison. They don't have the death penalty, but he would be surrounded by people he hates and that wouldn't end well.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: TomSea on August 11, 2019, 09:37:31 pm
I only have tweets for this and it was apparently a false alarm but there was a panic at the least in Houston just this afternoon:
Quote
BNO News
@BNONews
Fears of an active shooter cause mass panic at Memorial City Mall in Houston; police have found no evidence of a shooting

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1160656010060685313

No press stories have come out on this, apparently, there is nothing to this but it sounds like they were on alert, maybe someone lit firecrackers, motorcycle backfire, it could be many things.

There's actually video at the link of people running away... so, good if there was no threat to begin with, which is what it sounds like but something spooked these people.  Mass hysteria, all kinds of things, a lot of things make a loud pop too sometimes
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 12, 2019, 06:15:48 am
I only have tweets for this and it was apparently a false alarm but there was a panic at the least in Houston just this afternoon:
No press stories have come out on this, apparently, there is nothing to this but it sounds like they were on alert, maybe someone lit firecrackers, motorcycle backfire, it could be many things.

There's actually video at the link of people running away... so, good if there was no threat to begin with, which is what it sounds like but something spooked these people.  Mass hysteria, all kinds of things, a lot of things make a loud pop too sometimes
Seems a guy could have a lot of twisted 'fun' with a pack of Black Cats and a match in a crowded place.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: verga on August 12, 2019, 09:12:16 am
Seems a guy could have a lot of twisted 'fun' with a pack of Black Cats and a match in a crowded place.
@Smokin Joe @sneakypete Now on the other hand Smokin Joe might just be a Sociopath. Just ignore the voices in your head, unless they are telling you to send me money.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 12, 2019, 11:14:56 am
@Smokin Joe @sneakypete Now on the other hand Smokin Joe might just be a Sociopath. Just ignore the voices in your head, unless they are telling you to send me money.
@verga
 LOL! No, I'm no sociopath. It's gallows humor. Note, I put 'fun' in '' marks.
But let me put it this way.
In the US each year, on average (last 20 years), according to NOAA, fifty one people are struck by lightning and killed.
Your chances of being killed by lightning are roughly double those of being killed in a mass shooting.
 
There are intangibles, however, and they may increase the odds of being shot.

Of course, it's an election year, the Communists (They aren't mere Socialists or Progressives, they aren't liberals, they are Leftists, followers of Marx and Engels, and that makes them Communists, with all the negative totalitarian images that can bring forth) are braying their particular brands of hatred across the land.

Keep in mind the inspiration for Goebbels was Communist (Bolshevik) propaganda films, and a far better study of such things has been made since, including emotional manipulation by imagery, creating feelings in groups ("positive" or "negative"), and the ever present "Big Lie" techniques which have been refined and mastered by none other than Hollywood and Television Media over the time since. It makes for great and impactful drama and fiction on the big screen. But there is a dark side to that as well.
Right now, those techniques are being used to panic the American People, like a herd of frightened sheep, into demanding that their Rights be taken away. They are likely also driving some poor SOB over the edge somewhere, too. If you had the misfortune to believe what you heard on the broadcast channels, looped a go-zillion times a day for your viewing convenience, you'd probably go nuts, too. You might even begin to believe that drivel...

Don't let that be successful.

If the terrorists change you, if they instill fear in you (fear, not caution), they win. If they take freedom from you, or cause you to demand it be removed, they win--no matter who the terrorists are, no matter whose side they claim to be on.

I'm a mite more defiant than that.
 
I'm even more defiant when those who are supposed to be safeguarding our Rights (the reason Governments are instituted among people) are waving the white flag of surrender and demanding we surrender our Rights, whether those Rights include being free from having our property and freedom taken summarily without due process, whether that includes banning body armour for our personal defense at the most passive level, whether that be demanding any further limitations on our right to select the hardware we find appropriate to defend our selves, homes, families, and community.
I really don't care what Party they claim to represent.

No, damnit, enough!

Small wonder people wonder if these are false flag events, with the vultures in Congress ready to pounce at a moment's notice, rushing to raise money over the still cooling bodies of the unfortunate victims, trying to turn them, regardless of the victims or their families beliefs, into poster children for their totalitarian machinations. That, to me, makes them the most insidious terrorists of all, and by promoting panic they only further their cause to the detriment of our Republic.

Not one thing they have proposed would have stopped the people who committed these acts, especially banning body armor, for Pete's sake.

I implore you, and all who read this, Don't let them win. Put these events in perspective. Go about your daily life. Pay attention to what is happening around you, sure, you should do that anyway. It has been years since I entered a room without looking for exits and cover and even items which could be used as weapons in a pinch. That's just my nature. Be aware, not afraid.

And for the sake of all who follow us, demand our Rights be kept intact, because once taken or given up, they are hard to recover.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: verga on August 12, 2019, 11:36:35 am
@verga
 LOL! No, I'm no sociopath. It's gallows humor. Note, I put 'fun' in '' marks.
But let me put it this way.
In the US each year, on average (last 20 years), according to NOAA, fifty one people are struck by lightning and killed.
Your chances of being killed by lightning are roughly double those of being killed in a mass shooting.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. There are two things that really torque me off about this whole mess.
1) The libtards are using this as an ample opportunity to fundraise and demagogue the current administration
2) The mad rush to surrender our rights for the false sense of security.

I have several liberal relatives and they keep advocating "gun control" I tell them there are approx 22K laws about the sale and use of firearms, waht law will you put in place that would stop these type of things from happening? They never have an answer.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 12, 2019, 11:50:28 am
I pretty much agree with everything you said. There are two things that really torque me off about this whole mess.
1) The libtards are using this as an ample opportunity to fundraise and demagogue the current administration
2) The mad rush to surrender our rights for the false sense of security.

I have several liberal relatives and they keep advocating "gun control" I tell them there are approx 22K laws about the sale and use of firearms, waht law will you put in place that would stop these type of things from happening? They never have an answer.
It's frustrating to watch the propagandists panic the sheep. I just hope the flock stays away from the cliff....and that people come to their senses before the Congress can wreck something else.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Victoria33 on August 12, 2019, 12:54:59 pm
@Smokin Joe

"In the US each year, on average (last 20 years), according to NOAA, fifty one people are struck by lightning and killed."
_____________
In 2002, when husband was Republican County Chair in our county, we had a fine man running for county judge.  He was out on his property, and was struck by lightning.  It went into his body and out his feet.  He was taken to hospital and checked and thought to be fine except his shoes were ruined.

A few days later, he dropped dead from heart attack.  When lightning hits something, it is destroyed and must have done damage to his heart that the hospital did not find.

There is a cut off date when a candidate cannot be removed from the ballot.  He died in October, after that date, so his name could not be taken off our ballot.  The whole county knew he died, and so many liked this man, even in death they voted for him and he almost beat the Democrat running for that job.

Two brothers killed instantly: Not long ago, in Fort Worth, there was a storm, and electric lines came down.  Two early teen aged brothers touch a downed line and both were killed instantly.  Electricity is another form of lightning - same principal.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2019, 01:23:08 pm
@Smokin Joe @sneakypete Now on the other hand Smokin Joe might just be a Sociopath. Just ignore the voices in your head, unless they are telling you to send me money.

@Smokin Joe   @verga

I have a dirty little secret I will admit to doing. The summer the movie "JAWS" (edit,damn chemo brain!) came out I was living on the oceanfront,and was usually going down at roughly the same time the sun was coming up.

As I walked off the fishing pier one morning after enjoying a few cups of coffee,I happened to notice all the tourists swimming near the pier (a truly world-class BAD idea),and just laying on the beach,

This inspired me,so I started  jumping up and down in panic,pointing out in the water,and screaming "shark! shark!" at the top of my voice. I swear some people were swimming for the  beach so fast they were creating bow waves. Others on the beach were just running around and circles and hopping up and down.

One of the funniest things I have ever seen,

BAD sneakypete,BAD!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on August 12, 2019, 01:54:59 pm
.....
Right now, those techniques are being used to panic the American People, like a herd of frightened sheep, into demanding that their Rights be taken away. They are likely also driving some poor SOB over the edge somewhere, too. If you had the misfortune to believe what you heard on the broadcast channels, looped a go-zillion times a day for your viewing convenience, you'd probably go nuts, too. You might even begin to believe that drivel...
.....

That is exactly, precisely what is being perpetuated upon us right now. 

Great rant, @Smokin Joe!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 12, 2019, 02:03:41 pm
@Smokin Joe


"Keep in mind the inspiration for Goebbels was Communist (Bolshevik) propaganda films, and a far better study of such things has been made since, including emotional manipulation by imagery, creating feelings in groups ("positive" or "negative"), and the ever present "Big Lie" techniques which have been refined and mastered by none other than Hollywood and Television Media over the time since. It makes for great and impactful drama and fiction on the big screen. But there is a dark side to that as well.
Right now, those techniques are being used to panic the American People, like a herd of frightened sheep, into demanding that their Rights be taken away. They are likely also driving some poor SOB over the edge somewhere, too. If you had the misfortune to believe what you heard on the broadcast channels, looped a go-zillion times a day for your viewing convenience, you'd probably go nuts, too. You might even begin to believe that drivel..."


The mass panic techniques were used after 911 and now the sheeple line up like lambs to be felt up by TSA and told how much hand cream to bring on an airplane. You are absolutely correct. It's happening again.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: musiclady on August 12, 2019, 02:09:30 pm
@Smokin Joe


"Keep in mind the inspiration for Goebbels was Communist (Bolshevik) propaganda films, and a far better study of such things has been made since, including emotional manipulation by imagery, creating feelings in groups ("positive" or "negative"), and the ever present "Big Lie" techniques which have been refined and mastered by none other than Hollywood and Television Media over the time since. It makes for great and impactful drama and fiction on the big screen. But there is a dark side to that as well.
Right now, those techniques are being used to panic the American People, like a herd of frightened sheep, into demanding that their Rights be taken away. They are likely also driving some poor SOB over the edge somewhere, too. If you had the misfortune to believe what you heard on the broadcast channels, looped a go-zillion times a day for your viewing convenience, you'd probably go nuts, too. You might even begin to believe that drivel..."


The mass panic techniques were used after 911 and now the sheeple line up like lambs to be felt up by TSA and told how much hand cream to bring on an airplane. You are absolutely correct. It's happening again.

This is radically different from what happened after 9-11.  There is no Constitutional right to carry a bottle of shampoo on an airline.

There IS, however, an enumerated right to KBA, which is in serious jeopardy now.

Two very different things.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 02:11:29 pm
That is exactly, precisely what is being perpetrated upon us right now. 

Great rant, @Smokin Joe!

Yep!  Right out of the "We've got to DO something!" line of BS!
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 02:17:25 pm
@Smokin Joe


"Keep in mind the inspiration for Goebbels was Communist (Bolshevik) propaganda films, and a far better study of such things has been made since, including emotional manipulation by imagery, creating feelings in groups ("positive" or "negative"), and the ever present "Big Lie" techniques which have been refined and mastered by none other than Hollywood and Television Media over the time since. It makes for great and impactful drama and fiction on the big screen. But there is a dark side to that as well.
Right now, those techniques are being used to panic the American People, like a herd of frightened sheep, into demanding that their Rights be taken away. They are likely also driving some poor SOB over the edge somewhere, too. If you had the misfortune to believe what you heard on the broadcast channels, looped a go-zillion times a day for your viewing convenience, you'd probably go nuts, too. You might even begin to believe that drivel..."


The mass panic techniques were used after 911 and now the sheeple line up like lambs to be felt up by TSA and told how much hand cream to bring on an airplane. You are absolutely correct. It's happening again.

Actually, they learned their craft at the feet of people like George Creel and Edward Bernays @austingirl but you get it.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-woodrow-wilsons-propaganda-machine-changed-american-journalism-180963082/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-woodrow-wilsons-propaganda-machine-changed-american-journalism-180963082/)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: austingirl on August 12, 2019, 02:28:31 pm
This is radically different from what happened after 9-11.  There is no Constitutional right to carry a bottle of shampoo on an airline.

There IS, however, an enumerated right to KBA, which is in serious jeopardy now.

Two very different things.

I was speaking about the emotional manipulation techniques used, not inherent rights. But now that you mention it, being felt up by the TSA and having a six ounce bottle of moisturizer confiscated is a violation of protection from unreasonable search and seizure. :tongue2:
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2019, 03:01:32 pm
@Smokin Joe


"Keep in mind the inspiration for Goebbels was Communist (Bolshevik) propaganda films, and a far better study of such things has been made since, including emotional manipulation by imagery, creating feelings in groups ("positive" or "negative"), and the ever present "Big Lie" techniques which have been refined and mastered by none other than Hollywood and Television Media over the time since. It makes for great and impactful drama and fiction on the big screen. But there is a dark side to that as well.
Right now, those techniques are being used to panic the American People, like a herd of frightened sheep, into demanding that their Rights be taken away. They are likely also driving some poor SOB over the edge somewhere, too. If you had the misfortune to believe what you heard on the broadcast channels, looped a go-zillion times a day for your viewing convenience, you'd probably go nuts, too. You might even begin to believe that drivel..."


The mass panic techniques were used after 911 and now the sheeple line up like lambs to be felt up by TSA and told how much hand cream to bring on an airplane. You are absolutely correct. It's happening again.

@austingirl

Let's not forget that communists always play "the long game" in order to wear people down until a generation comes along that just doesn't know any better because this is all they have heard their entire lives,and they personally have no experience with the subject.

When the left first started ranting about gun control almost everybody laughed at them because we all knew better,and knew why they were after gun control. Now,several generations later,we have a couple of generations of adults that grew up in cities,never went hunting,never had a gun in their home,and don't know anyone that has. To THESE people the emotional message the left is sending it IS real because they have no reason to doubt it. ESPECIALLY not when it is being parroted by teachers (the very FIRST group the communists took over),police,and trusted politicians.

Hell,even movie stars champion it,and who is smarter or more sincere than people who live imaginary lives,right?
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: musiclady on August 12, 2019, 05:25:23 pm
I was speaking about the emotional manipulation techniques used, not inherent rights. But now that you mention it, being felt up by the TSA and having a six ounce bottle of moisturizer confiscated is a violation of protection from unreasonable search and seizure. :tongue2:


Well, I'm not sure about the seizure part, but the search part certainly applies!  happy77
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: verga on August 12, 2019, 06:03:53 pm
@Smokin Joe   @verga

I have a dirty little secret I will admit to doing. The summer the movie "JAWS" (edit,damn chemo brain!) came out I was living on the oceanfront,and was usually going down at roughly the same time the sun was coming up.

As I walked off the fishing pier one morning after enjoying a few cups of coffee,I happened to notice all the tourists swimming near the pier (a truly world-class BAD idea),and just laying on the beach,

This inspired me,so I started  jumping up and down in panic,pointing out in the water,and screaming "shark! shark!" at the top of my voice. I swear some people were swimming for the  beach so fast they were creating bow waves. Others on the beach were just running around and circles and hopping up and down.

One of the funniest things I have ever seen,

BAD sneakypete,BAD!
:yowsa: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: Damn, wish I had been there to see it. Wait, no I mean that was wrong on so many levels. (Wrong but still hilarious.)
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: verga on August 12, 2019, 06:05:26 pm
Yep!  Right out of the "We've got to DO something!" line of BS!
Quite often it is better to do NOTHING than to do the wrong something.
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: thackney on August 12, 2019, 06:07:32 pm
Quite often it is better to do NOTHING than to do the wrong something.

When it is Congress and an "emergency", we should all be shouting "Don't just do something, stand there."
Title: Re: Texas police respond to active shooter near El Paso, Walmart. Breaking 🚨
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 06:11:23 pm
When it is Congress and an "emergency", we should all be shouting "Don't just do something, stand there."

The Texas Constitution requires the legislature to meet for 140 days every two years but there are many who believe that the transcription was in error and it really said two days every 140 years!   wink777