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Where’s President Trump? Americans ask who should stop rapid destruction of country’s historical monuments
June 20, 2020 | Jon Dougherty
Violence and property destruction are continuing around the country as Leftist mobs roam city streets and parks in search of historical memorials, monuments, and statues to topple and deface.
And the historical figures’ ties to the alleged political and ideological causes of the protesters don’t seem to matter much at this stage.
Case in point: One of two statues defaced and toppled in San Francisco Friday night by ‘demonstrators’-turned vandals was that of Union commanding Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, who fought to defeat the Confederacy and end slavery.
Other statues defaced and toppled in San Francisco Friday included Francis Scott Key, the man who penned the “Star-Spangled Banner,†our national anthem, and Junipero Serra, a Roman Catholic priest.
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Destroying national monuments is a crime. Destruction of personal property is a crime. Stealing and vandalism is a crime. The police should arrest and incarcerate -- except the liberals have paid for the thugs bail and there is a push to defund and disband our police force instead. Gee ... what the heck is wrong with that picture?
The BLM and Antifa movement has grown and is mobilized. The opportunity to curtail that movement should have happened on the first night of rioting and certainly around the time Trump made threats that he would use force to tame the riots.
Nothing was done. Unfortunately the opportunity to push this unrest back sailed awhile ago. There is no turning back now. They will continue to riot and make demands and nothing is going to appease them.
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I don't think holding up that Bible in front of the church is effective. It might be time to do more.
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I don't think holding up that Bible in front of the church is effective. It might be time to do more.
Holding up the Bible I thought was very symbolic and very appropriate. The "thugs" not only destroyed a national monument but a church. God help us!
Ultimately the mayors and governors of the states should be the ones to be doing more. It is unfortunate that the people elected such liberal turncoats without a spine.
Yes, Trump should move forward -- but the liberal pushback would still likely be a problem.
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Destroying national monuments is a crime. Destruction of personal property is a crime. Stealing and vandalism is a crime. The police should arrest and incarcerate -- except the liberals have paid for the thugs bail and there is a push to defund and disband our police force instead. Gee ... what the heck is wrong with that picture?
The BLM and Antifa movement has grown and is mobilized. The opportunity to curtail that movement should have happened on the first night of rioting and certainly around the time Trump made threats that he would use force to tame the riots.
I need some clarification, please. Are you saying the President should have sent the military to guard our statues and private property? @libertybele
Would this be for all statues, or would we draw the line at ... say .... Rocky Balboa? Would private property be all or some retail property or all or some private property --- or both?
Would this deployment of troops be for the Capitol City, only --- or for every municipality across the nation, including those in Hawaii and Alaska?
Do we expect the CIC to flip the bird at any Governor objecting to his orders?
Thanks for your help.
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I need some clarification, please. Are you saying the President should have sent the military to guard our statues and private property? @libertybele
Would this be for all statues, or would we draw the line at ... say .... Rocky Balboa? Would private property be all or some retail property or all or some private property --- or both?
Would this deployment of troops be for the Capitol City, only --- or for every municipality across the nation, including those in Hawaii and Alaska?
Do we expect the CIC to flip the bird at any Governor objecting to his orders?
Thanks for your help.
I think I was pretty specific RIV -- (in spite of what you're trying to imply) -- if you go back and read my prior post; "Ultimately the mayors and governors of the states should be the ones to be doing more. It is unfortunate that the people elected such liberal turncoats without a spine.....
Yes, Trump should move forward -- but the liberal pushback would still likely be a problem."
Not saying he should send the military in to guard statues. No where did I say that.
I did say that vandalism is a crime -- but the thugs remain unpunished -- meanwhile our police force is being dismantled.
IF President Trump had no intention of using the military to resolve the continued rioting, he should have kept his mouth shut. Sorry ... saying this and doing nothing makes him look weak ... and obviously the rioters are continuing to call his bluff.
Nope ... not going to give him a free pass on this one.
Are the governors and mayors responsible? You bet ya -- but Trump said if they weren't going to handle things he would ... still waiting .....
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Yes, Trump should move forward -- but the liberal pushback would still likely be a problem."
Nope ... not going to give him a free pass on this one.
Are the governors and mayors responsible? You bet ya -- but Trump said if they weren't going to handle things he would ... still waiting .....
Despite a few thinking Trump is no conservative, this clearly shows that PDJT is a Constitutionalist. It's up to the states to ask for his help. They have not done so. When they did, the enemies were routed out in short order.
Had PDJT rushed in with the military, they would impeach him on Constitutional grounds.
Sometimes people need to see for themselves what voting Democrat does for them personally so they will change and support our great America instead of Democrat lunacy. They need to wake the heck up.
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Destroying national monuments is a crime. Destruction of personal property is a crime. Stealing and vandalism is a crime. The police should arrest and incarcerate -- except the liberals have paid for the thugs bail and there is a push to defund and disband our police force instead. Gee ... what the heck is wrong with that picture?
@libertybele
Depends on how "washed" your brain is. Revolution is nothing more than a violent form of politics used by those who can obtain power no other way. Since it seems to be the only way they can obtain total power in the time the current leadership has left to live,they and their brain-dead supporters are all for it
The BLM and Antifa movement has grown and is mobilized. The opportunity to curtail that movement should have happened on the first night of rioting and certainly around the time Trump made threats that he would use force to tame the riots.
Maybe,and maybe the strategy was to let them run free until they gave us enough rope to hang them with it?
Nothing was done. Unfortunately the opportunity to push this unrest back sailed awhile ago.
I strongly disagree. The more Steve and Susie Sushi see the actions of the left in play,the more they will turn on them. The are getting an education now on stated thoughts versus reality,and it is very unlikely they are liking what they are seeing.
There is no turning back now.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
They will continue to riot and make demands and nothing is going to appease them.
WHY would anyone want to appease them? The goal should be to put them on trial,and hang the leadership.
The only game we should be playing now is "Whack the leadership".
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Despite a few thinking Trump is no conservative, this clearly shows that PDJT is a Constitutionalist. It's up to the states to ask for his help. They have not done so. When they did, the enemies were routed out in short order.
Had PDJT rushed in with the military, they would impeach him on Constitutional grounds.
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@dancer You just identified the wet dream they had been lusting for.
For some odd reason the leftist fools just keep thinking Trump is a fool,and this is his first rodeo. I am GUESSING they thought they could drive him into seclusion in the WH like the typical RINO's they are used to dealing with,while letting them have their way.
Instead he eggs them on,and then sits back and waits for them to screw up in front of the tv cameras.
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IF President Trump had no intention of using the military to resolve the continued rioting, he should have kept his mouth shut. Sorry ... saying this and doing nothing makes him look weak ... and obviously the rioters are continuing to call his bluff.
I think Trump is so used to thinking out loud and bouncing ideas off people at work that it’s hard for him to not do it. It’s not ideal for the President to do that when so many people are waiting to hang him on his words alone, but I think he is very careful about the actions he takes and in the end I appreciate that.
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I don't think holding up that Bible in front of the church is effective. It might be time to do more.
Like what?
Isn't that what Governors are for? :shrug:
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Holding up the Bible I thought was very symbolic and very appropriate. The "thugs" not only destroyed a national monument but a church. God help us!
Ultimately the mayors and governors of the states should be the ones to be doing more. It is unfortunate that the people elected such liberal turncoats without a spine.
Yes, Trump should move forward -- but the liberal pushback would still likely be a problem.
President Trump doesn't give a fig about "liberal pushback". He's proven that.
But you don't poke the mush brains 120 days before your reelection. For that, I'll forgive him.
And you should, too.
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[quote author=libertybele link=topic=405909.msg2234137#msg2234137 date=1592691015
IF President Trump had no intention of using the military to resolve the continued rioting, he should have kept his mouth shut. Sorry ... saying this and doing nothing makes him look weak ... and obviously the rioters are continuing to call his bluff.
I think Trump is so used to thinking out loud and bouncing ideas off people at work that it’s hard for him to not do it. It’s not ideal for the President to do that when so many people are waiting to hang him on his words alone, but I think he is very careful about the actions he takes and in the end I appreciate that.
Very astute commentary. President Trump stayed within the constitutional framework of the presidency for the entirety of his administration. Don’t like it? Want him to respond autocratically? Then amend the constitution to allow for a dictatorship.
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I've read the comments after my post. No, I'm not advocating a dictatorship; that accusation and assumption is ridiculous. What I am advocating is that he does what he says. He need to take actions to protect the citizens of this country. He again has commented that if the governor asked for help he would be there and have the issue resolved in just a short period of time. He also commented that things would be handled differently in Tulsa. They weren't and consequently it was reported that his supporters weren't able to freely get in to his rally. So once again, the rioters have called his bluff, they've gotten their way and they have showed their strength, organization and the ability to mobilize to accomplish their objective with no interference.
Not pushing back because it's not something to do 120 days before election? I couldn't disagree more. The rioters aren't going to vote for him anyways. He's showing weakness ... he's allowing the thugs to continue to destroy property and businesses, and dismantle and defund our police departments; giving the rioters even greater control and free reign to wreak havoc on the rest of society.
IMHO come election time, these thugs are going to be at voting precincts in every major city. People aren't going to be able to get into vote, or afraid to vote, just like they couldn't get into the rally last night or stayed at home out of fear.
Who do you think is going to win the election then??
Mail-in voting leaves room for fraud as well. So again, under the circumstances ... if people don't want to mail in their vote and the precincts are blocked so that they can't vote, who do you think will win the election?
He needed to stop this crap weeks ago. It is getting worse, not better.
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Pretty soon, toppling statues ain't gonna be enough any longer.
They're gonna aim for "bigger" prizes.
Fishrrman almost-fearless prediction:
At some point, they may try a strike on Mt. Rushmore.
How well protected is it?
(actually, I think Rushmore is a "sitting duck"... but I'll say no more)
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Like what?
Isn't that what Governors are for? :shrug:
Insurrection Act
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I think I was pretty specific RIV -- (in spite of what you're trying to imply) -- if you go back and read my prior post; "Ultimately the mayors and governors of the states should be the ones to be doing more. It is unfortunate that the people elected such liberal turncoats without a spine.....
Yes, Trump should move forward -- but the liberal pushback would still likely be a problem."
Not saying he should send the military in to guard statues. No where did I say that.
I did say that vandalism is a crime -- but the thugs remain unpunished -- meanwhile our police force is being dismantled.
IF President Trump had no intention of using the military to resolve the continued rioting, he should have kept his mouth shut. Sorry ... saying this and doing nothing makes him look weak ... and obviously the rioters are continuing to call his bluff.
Nope ... not going to give him a free pass on this one.
Are the governors and mayors responsible? You bet ya -- but Trump said if they weren't going to handle things he would ... still waiting .....
You keep saying the President should move forward @libertybele and you're not going to give him a free pass on this one.
Then you say "are the governors and mayors responsible? You bet ya"
Can you see the contradiction? Please tell me how you want and expect the President to "move forward" when the governors and mayors are responsible.
Thanks.
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I don't think holding up that Bible in front of the church is effective. It might be time to do more.
I suggest you read yours....
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You keep saying the President should move forward @libertybele and you're not going to give him a free pass on this one.
Then you say "are the governors and mayors responsible? You bet ya"
Can you see the contradiction? Please tell me how you want and expect the President to "move forward" when the governors and mayors are responsible.
Thanks.
Yes, I see the contradiction. My point of contention has been that the President announced several times that if the governors didn't take action he would ... and he hasn't.
Yes, ultimately the governors and mayors are responsible, but if they aren't willing to do their jobs and protect the citizens of their states, then the President needs to do so.
If nothing continues to be done, what do you think the outcome is going to be? Obviously no one has a crystal ball, but IMHO allowing people to continue to break laws and not be held responsible will lead to all out anarchy.
As I mentioned earlier, I felt Trump calling those at his rally last night "warriors" was an interesting choice of name.
If the "anarchists" aren't stopped this will continue up until election time. Do you really think that people won't be blocked from voting just like they were last night from attending the rally?
Just curious as to your perspective.
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Where's the Trumpster?????
Why auditioning for Apprentice II which starts Nov. 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I suggest you read yours....
888mouth
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Not pushing back because it's not something to do 120 days before election? I couldn't disagree more. The rioters aren't going to vote for him anyways. He's showing weakness ... he's allowing the thugs to continue to destroy property and businesses, and dismantle and defund our police departments; giving the rioters even greater control and free reign to wreak havoc on the rest of society.
IMHO come election time, these thugs are going to be at voting precincts in every major city. People aren't going to be able to get into vote, or afraid to vote, just like they couldn't get into the rally last night or stayed at home out of fear.
Who do you think is going to win the election then??
Mail-in voting leaves room for fraud as well. So again, under the circumstances ... if people don't want to mail in their vote and the precincts are blocked so that they can't vote, who do you think will win the election?
He needed to stop this crap weeks ago. It is getting worse, not better.
@libertybele
You misunderstood my post. Of course they're not going to vote for him anyway. But...as Admiral Yoshito said, paraphrased..."You don't want to wake a sleeping Giant".
Being at polling places to disrupt is one thing. Being there to vote against Donald Trump is another.
Don't feed the lie that he's an out-of-control dictator wannabe. Let the DEMOCRAT governors feel the negative light on their no-good asses.
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It appears that the elected representatives of CA, MN, Il still enjoy the support of their constituents and if Trump moves in now he will not only be against those representatives, he will he opposed by the citizens of those states. He has to wait until/if they get fed up enough to turn on their elected keepers and demand action from their governors, mayors and then Trump can take action.
The worst representatives are always from other states....
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I watched the entire speech, and outside a little rhetoric Saturday, I haven't heard or seen shit yet from Trump on this matter.
And all he could come up with was a year in jail for burning a flag? How about the monuments, and more proactive measures for their protection.
OTOH, if you wanted to hear 15 minutes of painstaking detail of why he didn't fall down at West Point? Geeeeez!!!!!! Trump was our last hope, and he just gave this lip service. Very disappointed.
My wife has to periodically have to extract me from watching news on this. Face reddening, and blood pressure spiking is her concern. I am that angry!!!
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I don't think holding up that Bible in front of the church is effective. It might be time to do more.
You just won't let this go will you? If you gave 1/10th the anger to the statue toppling, we'd be shocked.
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It appears that the elected representatives of CA, MN, Il still enjoy the support of their constituents and if Trump moves in now he will not only be against those representatives, he will he opposed by the citizens of those states. He has to wait until/if they get fed up enough to turn on their elected keepers and demand action from their governors, mayors and then Trump can take action.
The worst representatives are always from other states....
@EdinVA
Excellent observation!
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I watched the entire speech, and outside a little rhetoric Saturday, I haven't heard or seen shit yet from Trump on this matter.
And all he could come up with was a year in jail for burning a flag? How about the monuments, and more proactive measures for their protection.
@catfish1957
Somebody correct me if I am wrong,but flag burnings are a state matter,and it is not illegal to burn a Confederate flag in any state in the nation, ever mind a federal offense.
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If they want to remove all of the statues, sure, fine...but let's start with MLK's statues... happy77
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You just won't let this go will you? If you gave 1/10th the anger to the statue toppling, we'd be shocked.
@Chosen Daughter @catfish1957
She would be mad about that too,if Trump had done it. She is a hard-core Dim,and anything he does is evil. She would hate ice cream if he was seen eating it.
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If they want to remove all of the statues, sure, fine...but let's start with MLK's statues... happy77
@mrpotatohead
Works for me! Thief,liar,plagalizer,and whore-monger who liked to beat white whores,and who was a drunken hypocrite.
Come to think of it,it's no wonder he was so widely admired by the ghetto rats and the Kennedy Klan were such admirers. He WAS a Kennedy. Well,not quite. AFAIK,he never murdered any of the white whores he paid to have sex with him.
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@catfish1957
@sneakypete
Re: Statues
Pete, I know I am giving Trump a little hell over this, but at least he is briefly mentioning it. The capitulating GOP pukes like McConnell and company are bending over and taking it. We seem to have no allies with any clout in this matter.
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@mrpotatohead
Works for me! Thief,liar,plagalizer,and whore-monger who liked to beat white whores,and who was a drunken hypocrite.
Come to think of it,it's no wonder he was so widely admired by the ghetto rats and the Kennedy Klan were such admirers. He WAS a Kennedy. Well,not quite. AFAIK,he never murdered any of the white whores he paid to have sex with him.
And an avowed communist. But R.E. Lee was such a villain (/s)
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@sneakypete
Re: Statues
Pete, I know I am giving Trump a little hell over this, but at least he is briefly mentioning it. The capitulating GOP pukes like McConnell and company are bending over and taking it. We seem to have no allies with any clout in this matter.
@catfish1957
That is because the career alleged Republicans do not represent anyone but themselves,and they will NEVER rock the boat as long as the bribes are paid on time.
Which is WHY we needed a non-political outsider to come in at the top and take over. We damn sure weren't going to get the changes we needed with a career politician in the WH. Look at what the left did to Gingrich to get revenge,and he was the Speaker of the House. They managed to get him kicked out of office for a bogus charge that would have resulted in a small fine IF it had been real,but the career pols on both sides of the aisle banded together and ruined him. He can't even buy time on a Sunday political show,and was one of the smartest and most honest men to have been elected in my life time.
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@sneakypete
Re: Statues
Pete, I know I am giving Trump a little hell over this, but at least he is briefly mentioning it. The capitulating GOP pukes like McConnell and company are bending over and taking it. We seem to have no allies with any clout in this matter.
which is EXACTLY why I supported him from the day he announced his candidacy.
One had to take one's nose off the bark to see it, I suppose.
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You just won't let this go will you? If you gave 1/10th the anger to the statue toppling, we'd be shocked.
I think you might be waiting for a long time. Because talking about it isn't going to stop it. I can't enforce a insurrection Act only the President can. But he chooses to do the same thing. Sit back and talk about it because he thinks burning down this nation and allowing anarchists to remove our history is going to get him elected. Funny, but I am thinking people are starting to wonder where law and order is.
This isn't peaceful protests any longer. This is full blown anarchy and Trump is playing with our ability to crush it. Waiting is showing results. Christopher Columbus statues. Now the Native Americans are getting in. We're in a full blown hate America mode and what do we get? Talk. Talk at Trump rallies. Talk on FOX News. The destruction is selling. Selling us out for an election.
I can't stand the news anymore.
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@sneakypete
Re: Statues
Pete, I know I am giving Trump a little hell over this, but at least he is briefly mentioning it. The capitulating GOP pukes like McConnell and company are bending over and taking it. We seem to have no allies with any clout in this matter.
Pitiful, just pitiful. If that is the expectation of an American president. To briefly mention this country is falling to anarchy.
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Pitiful, just pitiful. If that is the expectation of an American president. To briefly mention this country is falling to anarchy.
@Chosen Daughter
Will the crocodile tears never end?
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I don't think holding up that Bible in front of the church is effective. It might be time to do more.
Ever hear of a little thing called the 10th Amendment? The responsibility is first to the mayors, then the governors, and finally the federal. In that order. The President can't step in until the local authorities request it.
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I think you might be waiting for a long time. Because talking about it isn't going to stop it. I can't enforce a insurrection Act only the President can. But he chooses to do the same thing. Sit back and talk about it because he thinks burning down this nation and allowing anarchists to remove our history is going to get him elected. Funny, but I am thinking people are starting to wonder where law and order is.
This isn't peaceful protests any longer. This is full blown anarchy and Trump is playing with our ability to crush it. Waiting is showing results. Christopher Columbus statues. Now the Native Americans are getting in. We're in a full blown hate America mode and what do we get? Talk. Talk at Trump rallies. Talk on FOX News. The destruction is selling. Selling us out for an election.
I can't stand the news anymore.
So vote for Biden.
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I think you might be waiting for a long time. Because talking about it isn't going to stop it. I can't enforce a insurrection Act only the President can. But he chooses to do the same thing. Sit back and talk about it because he thinks burning down this nation and allowing anarchists to remove our history is going to get him elected. Funny, but I am thinking people are starting to wonder where law and order is.
This isn't peaceful protests any longer. This is full blown anarchy and Trump is playing with our ability to crush it. Waiting is showing results. Christopher Columbus statues. Now the Native Americans are getting in. We're in a full blown hate America mode and what do we get? Talk. Talk at Trump rallies. Talk on FOX News. The destruction is selling. Selling us out for an election.
I can't stand the news anymore.
Well @Chosen Daughter I can't truly disagree with most of what you have stated. IF the governors and city officials aren't willing to do their jobs then Trump must step in. You are correct -- the Insurrection Act. I don't think there's a whole of time to continue to sit back and wait anymore. The situation obviously isn't going to go away on its own. Yes, he's going to receive liberal pushback but I would hope most of his supporters would be relieved that law and order was restored and the anarchists were stopped.
Trump's rallies are excellent; yet the one the other night was blocked from allowing more to attend. How much more of a wake up sign is needed? Perhaps he's waiting for his "warriors" to take action on their own?
Anyone still think we're going to see another election at this rate anyways?? Even IF this country remains in tact till then, does anyone think that we won't be blocked from going to the polls?? Intimidated into saying who we are going to vote for?
Take a look around, historical monuments are ALLOWED to be destroyed, chaos is ALLOWED to continue and the police department is ALLOWED to be defunded and dismantled. Hello .... anyone see what is happening to the rule of law here? Anyone seeing what is happening to the history of our country. The rule of law and our history is being DESTROYED. There isn't going to be anything left if something isn't done.
Trump keeps saying that he's going to do something and NOTHING is being done. NOTHING.
Meanwhile, our members of Congress except for AOC and Omar have been quiet.
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So vote for Biden.
Yes we again have a binary choice; Biden or Trump. Any bets if we are even going to make it to another election? Honestly, if Trump doesn't start to take some action, for me, that glimmer of hope that I've been seeing is starting to dwindle.
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I don't know how much civil disorder or rebellion he's waiting for:
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255; prior to 2016, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331–335; amended 2006, 2007) that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.
The act provides a "statutory exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which limits the use of military personnel under federal command for law enforcement purposes within the United States.[1][2]
Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse.
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Ken Matthews subbing for Rush talking about the statues coming down...he’s ticking off the list of statues, the list of statues of our history being targeted by the insane leftist ignoramuses using fear and intimidation to force compliance.
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Yes we again have a binary choice; Biden or Trump. Any bets if we are even going to make it to another election? Honestly, if Trump doesn't start to take some action, for me, that glimmer of hope that I've been seeing is starting to dwindle.
This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs is a required part of the process they are following. There needs to be political unanimity to take such action, at least, and even then it probably would backfire as dead protestors will make wonderful fodder for the global marxists.
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Ken Matthews subbing for Rush talking about the statues coming down...he’s ticking off the list of statues, the list of statues of our history being targeted by the insane leftist ignoramuses using fear and intimidation to force compliance.
It is obvious that they want history destroyed. They've been using intimidation and force; better known as rebellion. It is out of control. Something needs to be done.
Insurrection Act -- noted above in my previous post.
Perhaps his most avid and staunch supporters needs to start rattling Trump's chain??
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This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs is a required part of the process they are following. There needs to be political unanimity to take such action, at least, and even then it probably would backfire as dead protestors will make wonderful fodder for the global marxists.
You don't think that the global marxist are now taking hold before our eyes, or do you just think they are going to ride off into the sunset because they will get tired of destroying our society and their new found strength and control??
Political unanimity for what reason? For Trump's re-election or Biden's? If things aren't curtailed, there's not going to be a presidential election....
So for the sake of politics, we allow the destruction of our Republic to continue???
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Well, the voters get a say in all of this in November.... Governors and mayors all across the country are on notice as are the parties...
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You don't think that the global marxist are now taking hold before our eyes, or do you just think they are going to ride off into the sunset because they will get tired of destroying our society and their new found strength and control??
I think the global marxists are causing riots and destroying things. I think a certain distinct minority quietly supports them.
The remaining 75% of the nation is disgusted by what they're looking at.
You send in the feds, uninvited, and they start cracking heads & stacking bodies and you'll see the former group increase exponentially.
Let the peoples' disgust manifest itself at the ballot box.
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Well, the voters get a say in all of this in November.... Governors and mayors all across the country are on notice as are the parties...
...how do you plan to vote? Do you plan on standing in line while the BLM/Antifa block the precincts or do you plan on mailing in your vote?
Thinking that the ballot box is going to matter at this point, I think is very optimistic. Liberals are still going to vote liberal. Count on in it. Obviously the governors and mayors don't give a damn or at this point, feel powerless.
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Well, the voters get a say in all of this in November.... Governors and mayors all across the country are on notice as are the parties...
If I had to hazard a guess I’d say November will be another defining moment in the history of electoral politics. Either the democrats will have their Waterloo or maybe republicans will go the way of the Whig party.
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If I had to hazard a guess I’d say November will be another defining moment in the history of electoral politics. Either republicans will go the way of the Whig party or maybe the democrats will have their Waterloo.
At worst there'll be another ~50/50 split, nothing conclusive will be determined, and this will drag on & on.
If Trump comes out on top we'll have a least bought ourselves another few years.
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...how do you plan to vote? Do you plan on standing in line while the BLM/Antifa block the precincts or do you plan on mailing in your vote?
Thinking that the ballot box is going to matter at this point, I think is very optimistic. Liberals are still going to vote liberal. Count on in it. Obviously the governors and mayors don't give a damn or at this point, feel powerless.
I am an election officer this year so I will be there no matter what.
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I don't know how much civil disorder or rebellion he's waiting for:
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255; prior to 2016, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331–335; amended 2006, 2007) that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.
The act provides a "statutory exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which limits the use of military personnel under federal command for law enforcement purposes within the United States.[1][2]
Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse.
@libertybele
I am GUESSING he is waiting for the rat leadership to come further out of hiding,so he can get convictions when they go to trial.
Spring the trap too soon,and too many of the leadership get to scamper off to plan revolution again later.
Plus,doing it right now without felony arrests being made with boo coo proof would only allow Congress to shut down the upcoming elections while they investigate Trump.
Yeah,I know and YOU know this is BS,but Steve and Susie Sushi don't know that because they aren't the political junkies we are,and like most of America,they only pay attention to politics for about a month every 4 years.
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Ken Matthews subbing for Rush talking about the statues coming down...he’s ticking off the list of statues, the list of statues of our history being targeted by the insane leftist ignoramuses using fear and intimidation to force compliance.
@aligncare
In order to create a new history that is more in alignment with the desires and goals of our future masters,you must first destroy the existing symbols of the existing history so that no one asks questions about it. What little existing history you allow to survive will be (modified) history that shows you and your politics in a favorable light. No gulags or mass executions allowed.
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This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs is a required part of the process they are following. There needs to be political unanimity to take such action, at least, and even then it probably would backfire as dead protestors will make wonderful fodder for the global marxists.
@skeeter @libertybele
As is true with sex,retirement plans,warfare,and ever other issue of great import "Timing is EVERYTHING!"
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I think the global marxists are causing riots and destroying things. I think a certain distinct minority quietly supports them.
The remaining 75% of the nation is disgusted by what they're looking at.
You send in the feds, uninvited, and they start cracking heads & stacking bodies and you'll see the former group increase exponentially.
Let the peoples' disgust manifest itself at the ballot box.
@skeeter
Every word the gospel.
Are you reading my mind?
Be VERY careful after evening falls.
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@libertybele
I am GUESSING he is waiting for the rat leadership to come further out of hiding,so he can get convictions when they go to trial.
Spring the trap too soon,and too many of the leadership get to scamper off to plan revolution again later.
Plus,doing it right now without felony arrests being made with boo coo proof would only allow Congress to shut down the upcoming elections while they investigate Trump.
Yeah,I know and YOU know this is BS,but Steve and Susie Sushi don't know that because they aren't the political junkies we are,and like most of America,they only pay attention to politics for about a month every 4 years.
??? Come on @sneakypete "convictions when they go to trial"? Exactly how many DEMS have been held accountable? Convicted? Indicted? Zero.
Again, my whole contention is this; the longer he waits the larger and more empowered the opposition becomes. Don't worry about the DEMS shutting down the elections; they've got that one covered. BLM/Antifa/Soros will be blocking entry to the polls and inquiring how people are going to vote ... and those on the inside will assure that your ballot is put into the DEM slot.
Other than blocking the polls -- this has already been reported in a couple of precincts, that ballots have been taken by those working the polls and they are inserting the ballots into the slots -- not the voters.
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...how do you plan to vote? Do you plan on standing in line while the BLM/Antifa block the precincts or do you plan on mailing in your vote?
@libertybele
Be still my beating heart!
I am getting too old to be getting THAT excited by anything.
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I am an election officer this year so I will be there no matter what.
Well, good luck with that when the time comes.
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If I had to hazard a guess I’d say November will be another defining moment in the history of electoral politics. Either the democrats will have their Waterloo or maybe republicans will go the way of the Whig party.
@aligncare
That is my take on it also.
Either way,I see fighting in the streets in urban areas this fall and winter.
Probably in more rural and southern areas also,but that won't last more than a week or so outside of the big cities like Atlanta. Won't last long in those places,either. The aggressive "speed bumps" will have been flattened by then,and all their followers will want is for peace and the fighting to stop. Oh,and the food stamps to start flowing again.
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I think the global marxists are causing riots and destroying things. I think a certain distinct minority quietly supports them.
The remaining 75% of the nation is disgusted by what they're looking at.
You send in the feds, uninvited, and they start cracking heads & stacking bodies and you'll see the former group increase exponentially.
Let the peoples' disgust manifest itself at the ballot box.
That's where my opinion varies drastically from most in here .... you all think that the ballot box is still going to matter. I'm saying if things are allowed to continue, the ballot box isn't going to mean squat. Either we are going to be voting by mail, or, BLM/Antifa/Soros will have people ensuring that those precincts are blocked.
They blocked Trump supporters from attending a rally, do you honestly think they're going to allow them to vote for the man?? Get real.
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Despite a few thinking Trump is no conservative, this clearly shows that PDJT is a Constitutionalist. It's up to the states to ask for his help. They have not done so. When they did, the enemies were routed out in short order.
Had PDJT rushed in with the military, they would impeach him on Constitutional grounds.
Sometimes people need to see for themselves what voting Democrat does for them personally so they will change and support our great America instead of Democrat lunacy. They need to wake the heck up.
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Trump is no more a conservative than Charlie Chaplin and
couldn't spell the word if you spotted him the first 10 letters.
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Well, good luck with that when the time comes.
We have a primary tomorrow....
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Despite a few thinking Trump is no conservative, this clearly shows that PDJT is a Constitutionalist. It's up to the states to ask for his help. They have not done so. When they did, the enemies were routed out in short order.
Had PDJT rushed in with the military, they would impeach him on Constitutional grounds.
Sometimes people need to see for themselves what voting Democrat does for them personally so they will change and support our great America instead of Democrat lunacy. They need to wake the heck up.
I for one never said anything about voting Democrat. I am clearly awake. I think most of you need to stop and think about the upcoming election and thinking that our voice is going to be heard at the ballot box. Again .... I'll ask the same question. Do you honestly think that the same people who blocked Trump supporters from attending his rally, are going to allow them to get into the precincts and vote for the man?? Only other options will be mail in voting or on-line voting. Anyone honestly think if that's the case that the results won't be rigged??
Does anyone else see problems with allowing the "anarchists" to continue? I like President Trump. I like a lot of things that he's done. There are things that he's done that I don't like. No one is perfect. I don't consider myself anti-Trump in the least. On this issue, I think it could likely be his downfall; not because he doesn't have tremendous support, but that support will be made null and void IF things aren't under control by election day.
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We have a primary tomorrow....
If you live in a smaller city or a conservative area -- I don't forsee a problem. It's closer to the general election that's going to be a problem.
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If you live in a smaller city or a conservative area -- I don't forsee a problem. It's closer to the general election that's going to be a problem.
Just outside of DC
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Trump is no more a conservative than Charlie Chaplin and
couldn't spell the word if you spotted him the first 10 letters.
@Absalom
Desperation is never pretty.
Does your mama know you are posting this crap?
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I for one never said anything about voting Democrat. I am clearly awake. I think most of you need to stop and think about the upcoming election and thinking that our voice is going to be heard at the ballot box. Again .... I'll ask the same question. Do you honestly think that the same people who blocked Trump supporters from attending his rally, are going to allow them to get into the precincts and vote for the man?? Only other options will be mail in voting or on-line voting. Anyone honestly think if that's the case that the results won't be rigged??
@libertybele
I can tell you what I know to be a FACT,and that is anybody that gets between me and the ballot box on election day is in a HEAP of freaking trouble.
What I THINK,is that I am not alone in this sentiment.
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If you live in a smaller city or a conservative area -- I don't forsee a problem. It's closer to the general election that's going to be a problem.
@libertybele
It's only going to be a problem is "socialist paradises" in places like Minneapolis,LA,SF,Philly,DC,etc,etc,etc. The usual rate warrens,the usual antics.
This time will be no different there than last time,and Trump won last time.
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Trump is no more a conservative than Charlie Chaplin and
couldn't spell the word if you spotted him the first 10 letters.
Well, IMHO it's not a matter if he's deemed a "conservative". We have to work with whom we have; Trump or Biden. That's it.
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Well, the voters get a say in all of this in November.... Governors and mayors all across the country are on notice as are the parties...
Racist Ralphie here in VA is not up until next November, and still running roughshod over the 2nd Amendment.
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@Absalom
Desperation is never pretty.
Does your mama know you are posting this crap?
I think he, like many others, mistakes Trump’s regional speaking manner and style for ignorance and a lack of substance. But, those closest to Trump know that’s the furthest thing from the truth. And those that have been opposed to Trump have come to regret their misreading of his actual intellect.
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@libertybele
It's only going to be a problem is "socialist paradises" in places like Minneapolis,LA,SF,Philly,DC,etc,etc,etc. The usual rate warrens,the usual antics.
This time will be no different there than last time,and Trump won last time.
Well, I beg to differ. In places like Miami for example -- it is predominantly DEM but just a little to the north and the outskirts you start to see more GOP --IF those areas are blocked -- those votes won't be counted for Trump. We could see the same thing happen throughout the country.
I've made my case more than once ... we'll see what happens.
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I think he, like many others, mistakes Trump’s regional speaking manner and style for ignorance and a lack of substance. But, those closest to Trump know that’s the furthest thing from the truth. And those that have been opposed to Trump have come to regret their misreading of his actual intellect.
Trump is highly intelligent; normally he's one step ahead of the opposition...that is what I'm hoping for. Wait and see.
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They blocked Trump supporters from attending a rally, do you honestly think they're going to allow them to vote for the man?? Get real.
How is that going to be made better by calling the feds in to Seattle to crack heads?
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I think I was pretty specific RIV -- (in spite of what you're trying to imply) -- if you go back and read my prior post; "Ultimately the mayors and governors of the states should be the ones to be doing more. It is unfortunate that the people elected such liberal turncoats without a spine.....
Yes, Trump should move forward -- but the liberal pushback would still likely be a problem."
Not saying he should send the military in to guard statues. No where did I say that.
I did say that vandalism is a crime -- but the thugs remain unpunished -- meanwhile our police force is being dismantled.
IF President Trump had no intention of using the military to resolve the continued rioting, he should have kept his mouth shut. Sorry ... saying this and doing nothing makes him look weak ... and obviously the rioters are continuing to call his bluff.
Nope ... not going to give him a free pass on this one.
Are the governors and mayors responsible? You bet ya -- but Trump said if they weren't going to handle things he would ... still waiting .....
I agree it's time to stop the all caps tweets and do something to stop this. I mean FFS they vandalized the statue of Stevie Ray Vaughn in Austin.
If these people are tearing down statues that are put up by or maintained by the National Parks Service or any other Federal agency then they need to be protected. Especially if Mayor's or Governor's won't protect them.
Someone suggested the military...that's a drastic step that isn't necessary. All the AG has to do is instruct the U.S. Marshals Service to guard them.
It's quite unnecessary and kinda silly for some folks to think that the military is the first option if the local LEO's and elected officials won't do their job.
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I agree it's time to stop the all caps tweets and do something to stop this. I mean FFS they vandalized the statue of Stevie Ray Vaughn in Austin.
If these people are tearing down statues that are put up by or maintained by the National Parks Service or any other Federal agency then they need to be protected. Especially if Mayor's or Governor's won't protect them.
Someone suggested the military...that's a drastic step that isn't necessary. All the AG has to do is instruct the U.S. Marshals Service to guard them.
It's quite unnecessary and kinda silly for some folks to think that the military is the first option if the local LEO's and elected officials won't do their job.
If they're vandalizing SRV are there enough US marshals to make a difference? Two marshals per statue? The ONLY way this stops is if local politicians use their police forces.
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If they're vandalizing SRV are there enough US marshals to make a difference? Two marshals per statue? The ONLY way this stops is if local politicians use their police forces.
??? You're forgetting; that's not going to happen as the police forces are being disbanded and defunded. So ... back to National Guardsmen? Except some of the governors have been unwilling to allow them to be armed -- so what good then can they do? Remember the national guard was protecting the WH and they still toppled barricades and appx. 60 secret service were injured. They have been allowed to continue their chaos. No one is stopping them and/or no one has been allowed to stop them.
So back to square one, the governors and mayors are unwilling to control the chaos.
Unless someone sees a way around this otherwise -- Insurrection Law is the last choice here between containment or continuing to watch our Republic fall.
Mention of U.S. marshals -- will they be allowed to use force or will they be sitting ducks and overrun just like the National Guard was?
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Well, IMHO it's not a matter if he's deemed a "conservative". We have to work with whom we have; Trump or Biden. That's it.
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The distinction between these two is very simple as each uses 5 different letters to spell their name.
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I think he, like many others, mistakes Trump’s regional speaking manner and style for ignorance and a lack of substance. But, those closest to Trump know that’s the furthest thing from the truth. And those that have been opposed to Trump have come to regret their misreading of his actual intellect.
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A close family member knew the Trump clan well from mutual acquaintances
in Jamaica Estates/Queens County/NYC and many shared tales were hair raising.
Trump has always had the attitude of a narcissist, the behavior of a rookie and
the intellect of a brick (apologies to all bricks).
There's no there there, to underestimate!!!
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The distinction between these two is simple; each uses 5 different letters to spell their name.
GFY! Er, bless your heart.
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The distinction between these two is simple; each uses 5 different letters to spell their name.
Well, with that being said, one can at least remember how to spell their name and knows who he is; the other doesn't know what his name is half the time and doesn't know where he is.
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Well, with that being said, one can at least remember how to spell their name and knows who he is; the other doesn't know what his name is half the time and doesn't know where he is.
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Certainly Biden has always been a scatterbrained leftist blatherer
and now appears to be suffering from the impact of serious dementia.
If so, why is he significantly ahead of Trump in polls?
(Leaving aside for a moment the fantasy of the Fan Club that any
poll that doesn't have Trump winning by a landslide is horse manure!)
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@Chosen Daughter @catfish1957
She would be mad about that too,if Trump had done it. She is a hard-core Dim,and anything he does is evil. She would hate ice cream if he was seen eating it.
888high58888
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@catfish1957
That is because the career alleged Republicans do not represent anyone but themselves,and they will NEVER rock the boat as long as the bribes are paid on time.
Which is WHY we needed a non-political outsider to come in at the top and take over. We damn sure weren't going to get the changes we needed with a career politician in the WH. Look at what the left did to Gingrich to get revenge,and he was the Speaker of the House. They managed to get him kicked out of office for a bogus charge that would have resulted in a small fine IF it had been real,but the career pols on both sides of the aisle banded together and ruined him. He can't even buy time on a Sunday political show,and was one of the smartest and most honest men to have been elected in my life time.
Yep. #DeepStateDwellers
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This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs is a required part of the process they are following. There needs to be political unanimity to take such action, at least, and even then it probably would backfire as dead protestors will make wonderful fodder for the global marxists.
That was an astute comment.
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:amen:
Well, the voters get a say in all of this in November.... Governors and mayors all across the country are on notice as are the parties...
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Trump is no more a conservative than Charlie Chaplin and
couldn't spell the word if you spotted him the first 10 letters.
Predictable reply. :silly:
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@Absalom
Desperation is never pretty.
Does your mama know you are posting this crap?
888high58888
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Certainly Biden has always been a scatterbrained leftist blatherer
and now appears to be suffering from the impact of serious dementia.
If so, why is he significantly ahead of Trump in polls?
(Leaving aside for a moment the fantasy of the Fan Club that any
poll that doesn't have Trump winning by a landslide is horse manure!)
Well I for one lie through my teeth any time I polled on the topic of politics, and I am pretty sure I am not alone.
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Donald J. Trump
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I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S. with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent. This action is taken effective immediately, but may also be used retroactively for destruction or vandalism already caused. There will be no exceptions!
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Donald J. Trump
1 hr ·
I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S. with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent. This action is taken effective immediately, but may also be used retroactively for destruction or vandalism already caused. There will be no exceptions!
Two thumbs up on this one!!!!
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Donald J. Trump
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I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S. with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent. This action is taken effective immediately, but may also be used retroactively for destruction or vandalism already caused. There will be no exceptions!
See this story I posted about this:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,406175.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,406175.0.html)
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Certainly Biden has always been a scatterbrained leftist blatherer
and now appears to be suffering from the impact of serious dementia.
If so, why is he significantly ahead of Trump in polls?
(Leaving aside for a moment the fantasy of the Fan Club that any
poll that doesn't have Trump winning by a landslide is horse manure!)
Polls have been so reliable the past several election cycles. *****rollingeyes*****
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Polls have been so reliable the past several election cycles. *****rollingeyes*****
Plus the electorate is at least twice as pissed. Political discouse has turned to hatred.
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If they're vandalizing SRV are there enough US marshals to make a difference? Two marshals per statue? The ONLY way this stops is if local politicians use their police forces.
Abbott isn't Jay Inslee...he'll send in the Texas rangers if necessary.
Trump needs to use the federal police forces at his disposal and shut this shit down now.
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Abbott isn't Jay Inslee...he'll send in the Texas rangers if necessary.
Trump needs to use the federal police forces at his disposal and shut this shit down now.
Yes sir! :patriot:
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skeeter wrote:
"This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs ..."
No.
Stop right there.
No matter what Mr. Trump does or does not do -- and that includes "sending in the troops" -- it will make no difference to those who aren't going to vote for him anyway. They'll still hate him.
And I'm going to ask a rhetorical question and I DARE anyone reading this to answer honestly:
If Mr. Trump DID send in the troops, with orders to use whatever force is necessary to protect these monuments and end the leftist insurgency, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for him in November?
Again, I DARE members of this forum to answer honestly.
But I sense there are a lot here who won't, by simply not answering at all.
It's only fair for me to go first:
YES, I would be MORE LIKELY to vote for Mr. Trump if he used the military to defeat the BLM/antifa/democrat-communist insurgency, even if that means bodies stacked up in the streets.
This is war, and I want our side to win, and I DON'T CARE what happens to their side. They're communists, and I want them gone.
OK, you know where I stand.
What would YOUR vote be?
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I would be more inclined to support him.
But my kind are disappearing. Images of protestors injured and dead would be a disaster for this administration. Full stop.
Trump did the right thing. Take plenty of pictures at the next statue demolishing party, and send US Marshalls to responsible ringleaders homes the next day. Arrest, charge, convict and jail after the party when the rest of the crowd is sleeping it off. Word will get around.
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skeeter wrote:
"This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs ..."
No.
Stop right there.
No matter what Mr. Trump does or does not do -- and that includes "sending in the troops" -- it will make no difference to those who aren't going to vote for him anyway. They'll still hate him.
And I'm going to ask a rhetorical question and I DARE anyone reading this to answer honestly:
If Mr. Trump DID send in the troops, with orders to use whatever force is necessary to protect these monuments and end the leftist insurgency, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for him in November?
Again, I DARE members of this forum to answer honestly.
But I sense there are a lot here who won't, by simply not answering at all.
It's only fair for me to go first:
YES, I would be MORE LIKELY to vote for Mr. Trump if he used the military to defeat the BLM/antifa/democrat-communist insurgency, even if that means bodies stacked up in the streets.
This is war, and I want our side to win, and I DON'T CARE what happens to their side. They're communists, and I want them gone.
OK, you know where I stand.
What would YOUR vote be?
I view this a little differently than most. IF he doesn't do something, I've been tossing the idea around of not voting. This is an issue he can't continue to ignore for the sake of politics. Our Republic is at stake. Right now, there are ARMED protesters in Atlanta taking over a Wendy's ... so how do you think that's going to end if they aren't stopped?
Is the President, governors, city officials and members of Congress going to allow ARMED protesters?
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skeeter wrote:
"This topic has been beaten to death, but believe me I understand the visceral desire to see the military move in and forcibly move the marxist primitives out. Watching them destroy city centers and tear down our heritage in the form of those works of art is heartbreaking.
But I also know that while satisfying it would be playing right into the primitives hands. Or more specifically, their handlers' hands. Creating martyrs ..."
No.
Stop right there.
No matter what Mr. Trump does or does not do -- and that includes "sending in the troops" -- it will make no difference to those who aren't going to vote for him anyway. They'll still hate him.
And I'm going to ask a rhetorical question and I DARE anyone reading this to answer honestly:
If Mr. Trump DID send in the troops, with orders to use whatever force is necessary to protect these monuments and end the leftist insurgency, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for him in November?
Again, I DARE members of this forum to answer honestly.
But I sense there are a lot here who won't, by simply not answering at all.
It's only fair for me to go first:
YES, I would be MORE LIKELY to vote for Mr. Trump if he used the military to defeat the BLM/antifa/democrat-communist insurgency, even if that means bodies stacked up in the streets.
This is war, and I want our side to win, and I DON'T CARE what happens to their side. They're communists, and I want them gone.
OK, you know where I stand.
What would YOUR vote be?
Military to protect monuments/statues, NO, I will not support that.. it is the job of the governors and mayors to take care of that....
Using the Military to put down the rioters/occupiers, absolutely would support that.
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I'm one of those that would vote for Donald Trump even if he shot somebody dead in the middle of 5th Avenue.
And right now, IMO, he should let the mob do their thing in the hopes that a final straw will happen to wake up some real Patriots.
Then again, while I'm having a @sneakypete moment...
Would absolutely love to read that leftist media activists are being attacked and/or killed in coordinated hits. It's pastime for that.
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I'm one of those that would vote for Donald Trump even if he shot somebody dead in the middle of 5th Avenue.
And right now, IMO, he should let the mob do their thing in the hopes that a final straw will happen to wake up some real Patriots.
Then again, while I'm having a @sneakypete moment...
Would absolutely love to read that leftist media activists are being attacked and/or killed in coordinated hits. It's pastime for that.
It would depend if Trump was defending himself or just on rampage...
The other points, totally agree....
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
@zoey141
Welcome....
Grant abruptly resigned his army commission in 1854 and returned to his family, but lived in poverty for seven years. During the Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War), he joined the Union Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Army) in 1861, and led the Vicksburg campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicksburg_campaign), which gained control of the Mississippi River (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_River) in 1863. After Grant's victory at Chattanooga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattanooga_campaign), President Abraham Lincoln (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln) promoted Grant to Lieutenant General (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_general_(United_States)). For thirteen months, Grant fought Robert E. Lee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee) during the high casualty Overland Campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_Campaign) and at Petersburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petersburg). On April 9, 1865, Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Appomattox_Court_House#Surrender). A week later, Lincoln was assassinated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln), and was succeeded by President Andrew Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson), who promoted Grant to General of the Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_of_the_Army_(United_States)#Post–American_Civil_War_era) in 1866. Later Grant openly broke with Johnson over Reconstruction policies; Grant used the Reconstruction Acts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Acts), which had been passed over Johnson's veto, to enforce civil rights for African freedmen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen).
I think some more research may be in order. Finding a flaw in a persons past does not negate the positives.
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
It’s natural to pull down statues? In what primitive universe would that be? In America if we don’t like a TV program we switch the channel, not blowup the station, or if we don’t like a product we don’t buy it, not ambush the delivery truck. This is freaking insane, Taliban-like insane!
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Brian Kilmeade slams efforts to tear down america's monuments
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Tucker: why mobs are tearing down America’s monuments
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skeeter wrote:
Again, I DARE members of this forum to answer honestly.
@Fishrrman
If Mr. Trump DID send in the troops, with orders to use whatever force is necessary to protect these monuments and end the leftist insurgency, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for him in November?
The only thing that will prevent me from voting for him would be my own death. Even IF he were to promote programs that would make me want to tear my fingernails off,he will only be in office another 4 years,and during that 4 years he WILL destroy the Dim Party.
On the other hand,if the Dims win,they WILL destroy America,and any hope of America ever becoming a free nation again.
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I'm one of those that would vote for Donald Trump even if he shot somebody dead in the middle of 5th Avenue.
And right now, IMO, he should let the mob do their thing in the hopes that a final straw will happen to wake up some real Patriots.
Then again, while I'm having a @sneakypete moment...
Would absolutely love to read that leftist media activists are being attacked and/or killed in coordinated hits. It's pastime for that.
@DCPatriot
Gee,that would be SUCH a damn shame!
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
@zoey141
No,it is NOT.
Hell,the ONE thing the DNC and their handlers lust for above all is to turn the entire freaking WORLD into a slave state under their control.
Blacks and slavery are nothing more than a "handy vehicle to ride in on the way to total victory." They are using blacks as handy "disposable Storm Troopers" to kick the revolution off,nothing more.
I used to have an actual photo from a news organization (AP or similar) that showed Bobby and Ted Kennedy chaining the gates shut to the Kennedy mansion because NAACP marchers were on their way there to give JFK a honoray "freedom award" of some type.
They obvisouly didn't want the darkies cluttering up their lawn.
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@zoey141
No,it is NOT.
Hell,the ONE thing the DNC and their handlers lust for above all is to turn the entire freaking WORLD into a slave state under their control.
Blacks and slavery are nothing more than a "handy vehicle to ride in on the way to total victory." They are using blacks as handy "disposable Storm Troopers" to kick the revolution off,nothing more.
I used to have an actual photo from a news organization (AP or similar) that showed Bobby and Ted Kennedy chaining the gates shut to the Kennedy mansion because NAACP marchers were on their way there to give JFK a honorary "freedom award" of some type.
They obviously didn't want the darkies cluttering up their lawn.
Correct.
This is NOT about racism or slavery or any other perceived injustice.
It is about power and money and control.
Their power, your money and their control.
Only our little blackshirts and brownshirts won't be the ones to wind up with any of it.
They are being used by powerful people to create a New Order far more to their liking than the American constitutional republic.
And if successful, the little mobsters will be among the first to be disposed of. As always.
As for the Kennedy's lawn: having spent a great deal of time summer-living on the Cape, the only time I ever saw black people on their property was when the hedges needed a good trim.
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
Grant had one, which he emancipated himself at a time he was practically penniless and when a healthy slave was worth tens of thousands by today’s standards.
But then I wouldn’t expect today’s crusading ‘protestor’ to know this, given the state of public education.
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Correct.
This is NOT about racism or slavery or any other perceived injustice.
It is about power and money and control.
Their power, your money and their control.
Only our little blackshirts and brownshirts won't be the ones to wind up with any of it.
They are being used by powerful people to create a New Order far more to their liking than the American constitutional republic.
And if successful, the little mobsters will be among the first to be disposed of. As always.
As for the Kennedy's lawn: having spent a great deal of time summer-living on the Cape, the only time I ever saw black people on their property was when the hedges needed a good trim.
:thumbsup:
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Grant had one, which he emancipated himself at a time he was practically penniless and when a healthy slave was worth tens of thousands by today’s standards.
But then I wouldn’t expect today’s crusading ‘protestor’ to know this, given the state of public education.
Yep. Public schools and universities are churning out ignorant, mouth breathing fascists like they were widgets.
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Yep. Public schools and universities are churning out ignorant, mouth breathing fascists like they were widgets.
I was thinking how great it would be if congress offered a nice grant to any metal artisans who would undertake to restore these vandalized pieces of art, store them until things cool off them put them right back where they came from. The more controversial ones can be placed in private areas or displayed in museums.
But they need to be put right back up. These cretins cannot be allowed to profit from their actions.
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Correct.
This is NOT about racism or slavery or any other perceived injustice.
It is about power and money and control.
Their power, your money and their control.
Only our little blackshirts and brownshirts won't be the ones to wind up with any of it.
They are being used by powerful people to create a New Order far more to their liking than the American constitutional republic.
And if successful, the little mobsters will be among the first to be disposed of. As always.
As for the Kennedy's lawn: having spent a great deal of time summer-living on the Cape, the only time I ever saw black people on their property was when the hedges needed a good trim.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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I was thinking how great it would be if congress offered a nice grant to any metal artisans who would undertake to restore these vandalized pieces of art, store them until things cool off them put them right back where they came from. The more controversial ones can be placed in private areas or displayed in museums.
But they need to be put right back up. These cretins cannot be allowed to profit from their actions.
Yes, exactly, that’s something worthy of discussion. But, that requires democracy, something totally unfamiliar to the Democratic mobs.
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Yes, exactly, that’s something worthy of discussion. But, that requires democracy, something totally unfamiliar to the Democratic mobs.
The mob needs to be told to p*ss up a rope.
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
That might be natural if they had, in fact, spent even one day as a slave. Many of the statues have been pulled down by a bunch of white thugs using BLM for cover.
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It is only natural that the statues of US Grant and others are being pulled down! The fight is against racism, and historically, these people were proven to have owned slaves.
The nature of psychology (https://www.123helpme.com/search?query=nature%20of%20psychology&page=1) indicates that mobs would extend their dissent to all slave owners.
@zoey141
You signed up over a year ago, and this is your first post?
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@Fishrrman
The only thing that will prevent me from voting for him would be my own death.
@sneakypete You are aware that if by some horrible twist of fate you do pass before election day that undoubtedly you will be registered to vote for Biden by some of the usual suspects. So my very best advice is to stay healthy.
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Would absolutely love to read that leftist media activists are being attacked and/or killed in coordinated hits. It's pastime for that.
Actually I think about 4-5 of them have been attacked/ assaulted to some degree. obviously it is not getting a whole lot of air time.
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The mob needs to be told to p*ss up a rope.
@skeeter
The mob needs to be HANGING from ropes.
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That might be natural if they had, in fact, spent even one day as a slave.
@LilLamb
Not really. The Africans are the ones that enslaved their ancestors,and then sold them to each other,white people,or anyone else that had shiny crap. If nobody had bought them,they would have been used by their fellow Africans as fertilizer,or to stake out for lions and other wild animals .
In FACT,in the English-speaking New World,there WERE no slaves until a black man went to court to have his indentured servant named as his slave.
AND......,there were also WHITE indentured servants brought into Colonial Virginia as well.
As for reparations,WHEN is Africa going to be forced to make financial amends to Ireland for the Irish slaves the Vikings sold to African Kings in the 16th Century?
I am fed up to HERE with all this "Professional Victim" crap.
ESPECIALLY coming from a group that whines about their ancestors being made slaves 300 + years ago,when current generations of those same people see living in public housing,getting free food,free clothing,free utilities,free medical care,etc,etc,etc as a freaking career field whining about it.
IF the white man ever owed you diddly squat,THAT bill was paid in full before any of the current parasites were even born.
Man the BLEEP up,and provide for your OWN damn selves!
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@LilLamb
Not really. The Africans are the ones that enslaved their ancestors,and then sold them to each other,white people,or anyone else that had shiny crap. If nobody had bought them,they would have been used by their fellow Africans as fertilizer,or to stake out for lions and other wild animals .
In FACT,in the English-speaking New World,there WERE no slaves until a black man went to court to have his indentured servant named as his slave.
AND......,there were also WHITE indentured servants brought into Colonial Virginia as well.
As for reparations,WHEN is Africa going to be forced to make financial amends to Ireland for the Irish slaves the Vikings sold to African Kings in the 16th Century?
I am fed up to HERE with all this "Professional Victim" crap.
ESPECIALLY coming from a group that whines about their ancestors being made slaves 300 + years ago,when current generations of those same people see living in public housing,getting free food,free clothing,free utilities,free medical care,etc,etc,etc as a freaking career field whining about it.
IF the white man ever owed you diddly squat,THAT bill was paid in full before any of the current parasites were even born.
Man the BLEEP up,and provide for your OWN damn selves!
Muslims perfected the slave trade. You know, the same 'religion' black radicals have adopted as their own?
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Would absolutely love to read that leftist media activists are being attacked and/or killed in coordinated hits. It's pastime for that.
Well, there was that deal where Andrea Mitchel and Elanor Holmes-Norton got approached by that tranny yesterday....
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Muslims perfected the slave trade. You know, the same 'religion' black radicals have adopted as their own?
@skeeter
Well,I dunno about "perfected",but IIRC,they are the only ones that still practice it,and their clergy approves.
Then again,why WOULDN'T their clergy approve,when they want a system where EVEYRBODY is THEIR slaves?
And,AFAIK,the only nations that allow slavery to exist today legally are Muslim nations.
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@LilLamb
Not really. The Africans are the ones that enslaved their ancestors,and then sold them to each other,white people,or anyone else that had shiny crap. If nobody had bought them,they would have been used by their fellow Africans as fertilizer,or to stake out for lions and other wild animals .
In FACT,in the English-speaking New World,there WERE no slaves until a black man went to court to have his indentured servant named as his slave.
AND......,there were also WHITE indentured servants brought into Colonial Virginia as well.
As for reparations,WHEN is Africa going to be forced to make financial amends to Ireland for the Irish slaves the Vikings sold to African Kings in the 16th Century?
I am fed up to HERE with all this "Professional Victim" crap.
ESPECIALLY coming from a group that whines about their ancestors being made slaves 300 + years ago,when current generations of those same people see living in public housing,getting free food,free clothing,free utilities,free medical care,etc,etc,etc as a freaking career field whining about it.
IF the white man ever owed you diddly squat,THAT bill was paid in full before any of the current parasites were even born.
Man the BLEEP up,and provide for your OWN damn selves!
The other day I read a terrific post regarding the origins of slavery out of Africa.
It was something like this:
"Hard cold truth is that Africans were living in mud huts and eating one another while Europeans were building basilicas and cathedrals"
...and that is pretty hard to disagree with.
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skeeter wrote:
No matter what Mr. Trump does or does not do -- and that includes "sending in the troops" -- it will make no difference to those who aren't going to vote for him anyway. They'll still hate him.
And I'm going to ask a rhetorical question and I DARE anyone reading this to answer honestly:
If Mr. Trump DID send in the troops, with orders to use whatever force is necessary to protect these monuments and end the leftist insurgency, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for him in November?
Again, I DARE members of this forum to answer honestly.
But I sense there are a lot here who won't, by simply not answering at all.
It's only fair for me to go first:
YES, I would be MORE LIKELY to vote for Mr. Trump if he used the military to defeat the BLM/antifa/democrat-communist insurgency, even if that means bodies stacked up in the streets.
This is war, and I want our side to win, and I DON'T CARE what happens to their side. They're communists, and I want them gone.
OK, you know where I stand. What would YOUR vote be?
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Fair query.
For the first time ever, I will not vote as the only difference between these two buffoons
is the color of their hair.
Biden is a DC establishment fraud and hustler, as are his siblings, as well as a hard leftist,
who is now fading, as dementia overtakes him.
Trump is a clown who belongs on the Apprentice and whose only functioning faculties are
his mouth and his Twitter Fingers.
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Fair query.
For the first time ever, I will not vote as the only difference between these two buffoons
is the color of their hair.
Biden is a DC establishment fraud and hustler, as are his siblings as well as a hard leftist,
who is now fading, as dementia overtakes him.
Trump is a clown who belongs on the Apprentice and whose only functioning faculties are
his mouth and his Twitter Fingers.
Brush up on your post formatting, please?
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The other day I read a terrific post regarding the origins of slavery out of Africa.
It was something like this:
"Hard cold truth is that Africans were living in mud huts and eating one another while Europeans were building basilicas and cathedrals"
...and that is pretty hard to disagree with.
https://youtu.be/6jTuBZ05jFI
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https://youtu.be/6jTuBZ05jFI
Yes, I had seen that one also. :patriot: