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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: txradioguy on January 15, 2018, 11:15:39 pm
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Two parents are being held on $9 million bail each after a horrific discovery at a residence in Perris over the weekend — 13 malnourished siblings held captive amid dirty conditions, including some children shackled to beds, the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department said Monday.
An investigation began after a 17-year-old girl “escaped†from her home in the 100 block of Muir Woods Road and called 911 early Sunday morning to report that her 12 brothers and sisters were being held captive by their parents, according to a sheriff’s news release.
She alleged some of her siblings were bound in padlocked chains.
Responding officers initially believed the “slightly emaciated†girl was only 10 years old until she provided her age.
After interviewing the teen, investigators went to the residence and contacted her parents, identified as 56-year-old David Allen Turpin and 49-year-old Louise Anna Turpin, according to the release.
Investigators discovered “several children shackled to their beds with chains and padlocks in dark and foul-smelling surroundings,†the release said. The parents could not provide a “logical†explanation for why the kids were restrained, investigators said.
Authorities located what they thought were 12 children, but were “shocked†to find out that seven of them were adults. In all, the victims are between the ages of 2 and 29, the release stated.
They looked to be malnourished and filthy, authorities said.
http://ktla.com/2018/01/15/kids-found-chained-to-beds-after-teens-escape-leads-to-discovery-of-12-malnourished-victims-held-captive-in-perris-home-sheriffs-dept/ (http://ktla.com/2018/01/15/kids-found-chained-to-beds-after-teens-escape-leads-to-discovery-of-12-malnourished-victims-held-captive-in-perris-home-sheriffs-dept/)
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Pliers, blowtorch.
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Mark this in the “I just can’t wrap my mind around it,†category.
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Parents arrested after cops find 12 siblings shackled to beds
By Joe Tacopino
January 15, 2018 | 6:39pm | Updated
Police in California discovered a horrifying scene of 12 siblings “shackled to their beds with chains and padlocks†inside their California home after a 13th kid escaped and called 911.
The siblings — ranging in age from 2 to 29 — were allegedly being held captive in putrid conditions by their parents in a home in Perris, Calif., about 30 miles south of San Bernardino, according to KABC-TV.
The discovery was made after a 17-year-old girl escaped from the hell house on Sunday Morning and called cops on a cell phone she managed to sneak out with her.
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https://nypost.com/2018/01/15/parents-arrested-after-cops-find-12-siblings-shackled-to-beds/
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How can any human beings (using the term very loosely) be this cruel??
The kids were so emaciated that they didn't look their ages.
There is no punishment too severe for this depravity.
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Pliers, blowtorch.
That's a start..........
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That's a start..........
The pliers and blowtorch come with a complete set of Homies. Courtesy of Marsellus Wallace...
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There are reports this guy moved to California from Texas and was a home schooler.....
Can bet the media is going to hang these sadistic idiots around the necks of social conservatives... :shrug:
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Then why move to Perris California that place is a shit hole if I ever saw one. It is known for being a drug den no one I knew ever wanted to live there or did except drug dealers. You didn't want to go through there at night that is for sure. No true conservative would live there. I lived in California in Riverside country for 12 years left in 1998 and it was a shit hole then.
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I'm sickened by this story......now the govt' won't let you chain up your kids to their rooms? WTF?
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There are reports this guy moved to California from Texas and was a home schooler.....
Can bet the media is going to hang these sadistic idiots around the necks of social conservatives... :shrug:
Moving FROM Texas to Cali pretty much eliminates any question whether or not these dopes were Conservative or not. They were not.
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I'm sickened by this story......now the govt' won't let you chain up your kids to their rooms? WTF?
I wonder if that applies to duct tape also.
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I wonder if that applies to duct tape also.
I don't care for duct tape. It leaves a sticky residue on the furniture.
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I don't care for duct tape. It leaves a sticky residue on the furniture.
That is a great tidbit of info to have.
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888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty
No other words needed. G-d help these children. Their parents aren't human. Animals treat their offspring better.
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Tiny Tim lives!
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/13603253_1093464570723851_32771009285486848_o_153708456.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033)
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/31/19/2DFD139D00000578-3298376-image-m-37_1446321581041.jpg)
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Mark this in the “I just can’t wrap my mind around it,†category.
Me, too
It took thirty years for one of them to break loose? This takes the Stockholm syndrome to new heights.
Didn't one neighbor question what was going on in the house next door?
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What are the odds that two strangers would meet, fall in love, and both turn out to be satan’s siblings?
The question that always remains for me when I hear of these horrific cases is, are the parents(?) both equally evil or both equally mentally ill?
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Tiny Tim lives!
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/13603253_1093464570723851_32771009285486848_o_153708456.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033)
This is one of the most disturbing photos I've ever seen.
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What are the odds that two strangers would meet, fall in love, and both turn out to be satan’s siblings?
The question that always remains for me when I hear of these horrific cases is, are the parents(?) both equally evil or both equally mentally ill?
i dont think its an event but more of a journey. They take single steps that eventually lead them to where they were. Either could have broken the chain.
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The father reportedly had held a $140,000 job as an engineer at Northrup Grumman. Also reported that they'd filed for bankruptcy with $100,000 to $500,000 debt.
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Fox news reported the home [sic] was licensed as a school and that the father was listed as the principal.
Yikes! Gives a new twist to after school detention.
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Fox news reported the home [sic] was licensed as a school and that the father was listed as the principal.
Yikes! Gives a new twist to after school detention.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
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Pliers, blowtorch.
You got that right.
(http://blog.hole19golf.com/content/images/2014/Aug/Marsellus-Wallace.jpg)
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How can any human beings (using the term very loosely) be this cruel??
The kids were so emaciated that they didn't look their ages.
@musiclady
This had to be going on for a long time for the kids/adults involved to not look their age - stunted growth takes years to accomplish. And, the ones who are adults must have been chained all this long time or they would have gotten out. Finally, this one girl managed to get out. This is a horrible story. I'm surprised some didn't die, or were there others who did die or were killed?
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There’s a photo showing the family in 2016. Other than the bizzarre get ups the kids looked OK.
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There’s a photo showing the family in 2016. Other than the bizzarre get ups the kids looked OK.
Post each 'kid's' age in that photo, and you will think otherwise.
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This is one of the most disturbing photos I've ever seen.
Guessing you were not a fan of the Donny and Marie Show back in the 70's...
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1161359838.jpg)
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Post each 'kid's' age in that photo, and you will think otherwise.
Exactly....... and at any age, at least two of the girls look emaciated. Look at their arms and faces (third girl from the right, third girl from the left). They don't look like normal thin kids. They're gaunt.
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@musiclady
This had to be going on for a long time for the kids/adults involved to not look their age - stunted growth takes years to accomplish. And, the ones who are adults must have been chained all this long time or they would have gotten out. Finally, this one girl managed to get out. This is a horrible story. I'm surprised some didn't die, or were there others who did die or were killed?
The article said that authorities thought the 17 year old who escaped was only 10, and that the adults were children.
This has been going on for years.
Why did no one notice???
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The article said that authorities thought the 17 year old who escaped was only 10, and that the adults were children.
This has been going on for years.
Why did no one notice???
Mrs. Liberty noticed this is a brand-new house, didn't even show up on Google Satellite yet. It appears they moved frequently, certainly at least recently.
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This is one of the most disturbing photos I've ever seen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5272703/Police-13-siblings-chained-California-home.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5272703/Police-13-siblings-chained-California-home.html)
You think that’s disturbing:
They appear to have had marriage-renewal ceremonies in Las Vegas by an Elvis impersonator at least three times in 2011, 2013 and 2015.
Their children were present at the ceremonies are seeing posing for photos in 2015 in matching outfits for the boys and the girls. The 10 girls are all dressed in pink dresses with white tights and white shoes, while the boys are seen in suits with purple ties - and bowl haircuts like their father.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/16/14/48317E6A00000578-5272703-image-a-8_1516114025490.jpg)
The grandparents described the family as very religious and said the parents had so many children because they believed 'God called on them' to do so. They added that the 'very strict homeschooling' would involve the children memorizing long Bible passages and even attempting to memorize the entire book.
So religious that they go to Vegas to renew their vows by an Elvis impersonator?
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Fox news reported the home [sic] was licensed as a school and that the father was listed as the principal.
Yikes! Gives a new twist to after school detention.
And I'd be willing to bet the MSM are already writing the stories to make all home schoolers look like these two freaks.
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FOUND=> FACEBOOK PAGE of California Couple Who Tortured, Shackled 13 Children IS ABSOLUTE FREAK SHOW!
http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/discovered-facebook-page-california-couple-tortured-shackled-13-children-years-absolute-freak-show/ (http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/discovered-facebook-page-california-couple-tortured-shackled-13-children-years-absolute-freak-show/)
many photos with link to the facebook page
Hard to tell what child is 29...
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Mrs. Liberty noticed this is a brand-new house, didn't even show up on Google Satellite yet. It appears they moved frequently, certainly at least recently.
I suppose that might explain part of it, but if we saw a whole family of emaciated children moving into our neighborhood, a bunch of us would notice.
Then again, we're in Ohio and in a neighborhood where people care about each other......
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FOUND=> FACEBOOK PAGE of California Couple Who Tortured, Shackled 13 Children IS ABSOLUTE FREAK SHOW!
http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/discovered-facebook-page-california-couple-tortured-shackled-13-children-years-absolute-freak-show/ (http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/discovered-facebook-page-california-couple-tortured-shackled-13-children-years-absolute-freak-show/)
many photos with link to the facebook page
Hard to tell what child is 29...
Maybe the oldest boy??
That trip is probably one of the only times they got fed or were out of the house. I'm sure they were happy about that.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5272703/Police-13-siblings-chained-California-home.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5272703/Police-13-siblings-chained-California-home.html)
You think that’s disturbing:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/16/14/48317E6A00000578-5272703-image-a-8_1516114025490.jpg)
Damn Capt. Kangaroo are those stories about you and Mr. Green Jeans true?
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This is one of the most disturbing photos I've ever seen.
It is a freaky photo. I think the mom must have been cutting all the boy's hair with the same bowl she cut their dad's hair with. And the event this picture was taken at? It looks like the parents are getting married. It sure took them long enough. Either that or they re-affirmed their vows and all the girls were bridesmaids wearing the same dress.
In an article I read it said that the family had money problems for awhile. A couple of bankruptcies. The father had a good-paying job at one time but their expenses got the better of them however there were several newer model cars on the property. Neighbors reported they saw some of the children outside laying sod in the yard in the dark not too long ago. There was a crackdown over yard maintenance issues so I am assuming they got a warning? Other than that the neighbors have said they rarely saw the children. One guy said he thought that was weird but didn't want to get into anyone else's business.
Maybe they were part of some kind of religious group like Quiverfull where they are encouraged to have as many children as they can and homeschool them. I have a daughter that home schools her two boys and they don't live like this. If they were I'd know it. Sounds like maybe there wasn't any family close by or if so no one was aware of it or saying anything. Then again sometimes people like this cut off communication with their family when they are living like that.
In the wedding photo they look pretty healthy. They don't look starved. I wonder how long this has been going on if it is a relatively recent development?
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The article said that authorities thought the 17 year old who escaped was only 10, and that the adults were children.
This has been going on for years.
Why did no one notice???
@musiclady
Apparently, every time relatives would call and ask to speak to any of the children, they were refused. And no one was allowed to visit.
The relatives didn’t think that was strange?
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@musiclady
Apparently, every time relatives would call and ask to speak to any of the children, they were refused. And no one was allowed to visit.
The relatives didn’t think that was strange?
@CatherineofAragon
I couldn't sleep last night and read one article from the doctor who was treating these children in hospital. Said how malnourished they were - underdeveloped, some of the girls never started menstruation....but what scared and bothered me the most was how their mental state is, these kids IQ's are all way below normal. Thanks to the sperm and egg that gave them life, because imho they aren't parents.
The minor children will have to go to foster homes, more heartbreak.
I hope they put the parents in jail and forget to feed them.
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@CatherineofAragon
I couldn't sleep last night and read one article from the doctor who was treating these children in hospital. Said how malnourished they were - underdeveloped, some of the girls never started menstruation....but what scared and bothered me the most was how their mental state is, these kids IQ's are all way below normal. Thanks to the sperm and egg that gave them life, because imho they aren't parents.
The minor children will have to go to foster homes, more heartbreak.
I hope they put the parents in jail and forget to feed them.
@Freya, horrible story. But, remember these kids may be able to flourish once they get into a better situation. They really aren't able to assess their mental capabilities yet, not until they become healthy and somewhat secure.
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@CatherineofAragon
"but what scared and bothered me the most was how their mental state is, these kids IQ's are all way below normal. Thanks to the sperm and egg that gave them life, because imho they aren't parents. I hope they put the parents in jail and forget to feed them.
@Freya
@CatherineofAragon
To have stunted growth, this had to be going on for years. They didn't get enough nourishment for their bones to grow. Their brain would be the same, not enough nourishment for their brain to fully develop.
I agree, don't feed the parents, treat them like they treated those kids for numerous years.
I still wonder if there could be more kids who died and they buried them - likely in the back yard in the middle of the night.
I tested a career criminal just out of prison. He was sent to prison for theft - a man who knew him told the cops. When he got out of prison, he found that guy in a bar. Got him outside and shot him to death, put the dead guy in his car, went home, and buried him in his back yard.
I asked him why he buried him in his backyard. His answer was, he had to get him out of his car so he wouldn't bleed in his car and his backyard was the closest place. Backyards and under a house are common graveyards for demented people to use.
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@Victoria33
The article I read last night said the family moved around a lot in California and Texas. They didn't want to let the neighbors get suspicious.
Your points, as always are eye opening and thoughtful. 😊
Let me find it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5272703/Police-13-siblings-chained-California-home.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5272703/Police-13-siblings-chained-California-home.html)
(Check out the videos of the children)
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@musiclady
Apparently, every time relatives would call and ask to speak to any of the children, they were refused. And no one was allowed to visit.
The relatives didn’t think that was strange?
Exactly!
This has been going on for years........... maybe decades if the oldest is 29. Someone, somewhere in these poor kids' lives should have CARED about them!
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@CatherineofAragon
I couldn't sleep last night and read one article from the doctor who was treating these children in hospital. Said how malnourished they were - underdeveloped, some of the girls never started menstruation....but what scared and bothered me the most was how their mental state is, these kids IQ's are all way below normal. Thanks to the sperm and egg that gave them life, because imho they aren't parents.
The minor children will have to go to foster homes, more heartbreak.
I hope they put the parents in jail and forget to feed them.
@Freya
I support that, and I would be fine with more active measures, too.
I don’t see how they could ever really be normal, sadly. Assuming the 29 year-old lives to be 80, that’s over a third of his life spent shackled in captivity.
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Exactly!
This has been going on for years........... maybe decades if the oldest is 29. Someone, somewhere in these poor kids' lives should have CARED about them!
@musiclady
An aunt was interviewed today on Good Morning, America. I didn’t see it, but I’ll see if I can find it.
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@Victoria33
Is stunted growth reversible once a person receives the right nutrition? I know the failure to menstruate @Freya mentioned will disappear once the girls put on some body fat.
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And the event this picture was taken at? It looks like the parents are getting married. It sure took them long enough. Either that or they re-affirmed their vows and all the girls were bridesmaids wearing the same dress.
It was one of a few vow re-affirmations they did.
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It was one of a few vow re-affirmations they did.
Apparently none of the vows were "Slop the children?"
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It is good to get all of the online medical diagnoses, out of the way. Then get back to Trump.
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It is good to get all of the online medical diagnoses, out of the way. Then get back to Trump.
Wtf?
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Wtf?
I think the medical term is "Trumpcephalus." :whistle:
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It is good to get all of the online medical diagnoses, out of the way. Then get back to Trump.
Sorry, I missed the part of the story that said this was about Trump. :shrug:
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Sorry, I missed the part of the story that said this was about Trump. :shrug:
It was probably TMWO
To many windows open.
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What are the odds that two strangers would meet, fall in love, and both turn out to be satan’s siblings?
The question that always remains for me when I hear of these horrific cases is, are the parents(?) both equally evil or both equally mentally ill?
This case serves as Exhibit A for the call to outlaw 'Homeschooling'.
Home schooled children might ace the SATs, but just as in any group, (or political forum), there are going to be wack-jobs.
Surprised the process for home-schooling didn't include mandatory visit/interview by the county.
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It was probably TMWO
To many windows open.
I believe you're correct. I've done that. It's gotten better since I went to tabbed browsing, but I still get bitten sometimes.
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You got that right.
(http://blog.hole19golf.com/content/images/2014/Aug/Marsellus-Wallace.jpg)
You realize Mickey Rourke would have been much better than Bruce Willis in that part.
1) He's an boxer. 2) He's a biker.
Carry on.... :laugh:
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I think the medical term is "Trumpcephalus." :whistle:
@Cyber Liberty
“Yes, waiter, I’ll have a salad to start, and the salmon and—-“
“Can you shut up that ordering and GET BACK TO TRUMP?!â€
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This case serves as Exhibit A for the call to outlaw 'Homeschooling'.
Home schooled children might ace the SATs, but just as in any group, (or political forum), there are going to be wack-jobs.
Surprised the process for home-schooling didn't include mandatory visit/interview by the county.
@DCPatriot
Just shows how ignorant you are about homeshooling. Most homeschooled children excel in the academics but are also very well socially balanced. More so then many public school aged children. Because homeschooled children tend to have parents who spend more time parenting. Additionally, homeschooled kids tend to have exposure to all different age groups. Where public school kids spend most of their time with kids their age.
Both forms of education can be good but the myth that homeschooled kids are not socially adjusted is a lie. Number wise far more whacked out kids come from public schools, so if thats your justification then public schools must be outlawed.
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@DCPatriot
Just shows how ignorant you are about homeshooling. Most homeschooled children excel in the academics but are also very well socially balanced. More so then many public school aged children. Because homeschooled children tend to have parents who spend more time parenting. Additionally, homeschooled kids tend to have exposure to all different age groups. Where public school kids spend most of their time with kids their age.
Both forms of education can be good but the myth that homeschooled kids are not socially adjusted is a lie. Number wise far more whacked out kids come from public schools, so if thats your justification then public schools must be outlawed.
@driftdiver
this format sucks.... I purposely said for "a call" to outlaw. I support home-schooling.
Am well aware of the wide range success of homeschooling and also studies on children that are socially deprived as a result.
(IMO, smartphones are all having the same effect for generations)
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It was one of a few vow re-affirmations they did.
According to that article they renewed their vows thrice by "Elvis"
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@driftdiver
this format sucks.... I purposely said for "a call" to outlaw. I support home-schooling.
Am well aware of the wide range success of homeschooling and also studies on children that are socially deprived as a result.
(IMO, smartphones are all having the same effect for generations)
@DCPatriot
My apologies, my phone screws me up all the time.
I wish homeschooling wasn't necessary but our govt has shown a decided inability to fix public schools.
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@DCPatriot
Just shows how ignorant you are about homeshooling. Most homeschooled children excel in the academics but are also very well socially balanced. More so then many public school aged children. Because homeschooled children tend to have parents who spend more time parenting. Additionally, homeschooled kids tend to have exposure to all different age groups. Where public school kids spend most of their time with kids their age.
Both forms of education can be good but the myth that homeschooled kids are not socially adjusted is a lie. Number wise far more whacked out kids come from public schools, so if thats your justification then public schools must be outlawed.
My home schooled grandchildren as just as socially active as my non-homeschooled grandchildren. They are in sports, play in an orchestra, belong to a social home school group with their church, are in scouting etc. They go on many educational outings to nature centers, museums, zoos etc. They have home school friends and public school friends.
There are some whackos that home school their children who are not really home schooling but don't want anyone finding out what is going on at home. Public school children can be in abusive situations as well as home schooled ones.
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@DCPatriot
My apologies, my phone screws me up all the time.
I wish homeschooling wasn't necessary but our govt has shown a decided inability to fix public schools.
888high58888
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This case serves as Exhibit A for the call to outlaw 'Homeschooling'.
Home schooled children might ace the SATs, but just as in any group, (or political forum), there are going to be wack-jobs.
Surprised the process for home-schooling didn't include mandatory visit/interview by the county.
Yep. Some will use this type of case to demonize home schooling. State laws vary on homeschooling rules. In WI there are no home visits. The nice thing about home schooling is that you get to choose who your children socialize with but you have to put forth some effort to make sure they get the proper social life and are not isolated. Like you said, there are always going to be whack jobs that tarnish the image.
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Yep. Some will use this type of case to demonize home schooling. State laws vary on homeschooling rules. In WI there are no home visits. The nice thing about home schooling is that you get to choose who your children socialize with but you have to put forth some effort to make sure they get the proper social life and are not isolated. Like you said, there are always going to be whack jobs that tarnish the image.
@ConservativeGranny
When we started I found it amazing how many ex-teachers were homeschoolers. We were forced into it; our boys elementary school had significant mold issues the district refused to address. Their school also had double the student population it was designed for, designed for 750 and it had almost 1500 kids.
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@driftdiver
this format sucks.... I purposely said for "a call" to outlaw. I support home-schooling.
Am well aware of the wide range success of homeschooling and also studies on children that are socially deprived as a result.
(IMO, smartphones are all having the same effect for generations)
I knowed the flames were coming on that post... :nometalk: :tongue2:
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@ConservativeGranny
When we started I found it amazing how many ex-teachers were homeschoolers. We were forced into it; our boys elementary school had significant mold issues the district refused to address. Their school also had double the student population it was designed for, designed for 750 and it had almost 1500 kids.
@driftdiver
My SIL is a teacher and my daughter taught before she had children. I too have ran into a few former teachers that homeschool. I think they know too much LOL!
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I knowed the flames were coming on that post... :nometalk: :tongue2:
Hmmm....maybe @ConservativeGranny did see my explanation before she responded then.
...just kidding. It still doesn't read clearly. And it was natural for @driftdiver to question it. :beer:
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@DCPatriot
My apologies, my phone screws me up all the time.
I wish homeschooling wasn't necessary but our govt has shown a decided inability to fix public schools.
It's that quality education from public schools that has given us the Tide Pod challenge.
Just sayin...
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It's that quality education from public schools that has given us the Tide Pod challenge.
Just sayin...
One way to clean the gene pool
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Hmmm....maybe @ConservativeGranny did see my explanation before she responded then.
...just kidding. It still doesn't read clearly. And it was natural for @driftdiver to question it. :beer:
@DCPatriot
Yes I saw your post. I try to read an entire thread before I respond. I understand that you were not calling for home schooling to be banned. I find most people here very supportive of home schooling if being done correctly.
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I've noticed that a LOT of Public School teachers either send their own children to private schools or home school them. I'm 100% sure they know there are systemic problems in the schools, or they would not be escaping them.
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I've noticed that a LOT of Public School teachers either send their own children to private schools or home school them. I'm 100% sure they know there are systemic problems in the schools, or they would not be escaping them.
@Cyber Liberty we both know an awesome lady who homeschools and is a great mom
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@Cyber Liberty we both know an awesome lady who homeschools and is a great mom
While Mrs. Liberty and I know somebody who home schools who is a far-left wacko, with whom I would not entrust a pet hamster. :shrug:
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According to that article they renewed their vows thrice by "Elvis"
Yep. Right alongside Elvis, that paragon of mental health himself. Committed suicide (slowly) by drug overdose.
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One way to clean the gene pool
The shallow end of it anyway.
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More details about this horrific story emerging. The escape was planned for two years by the 17 y/o. A second daughter escaped with her, but turned around and went back. Cognitive deficits, malnutrition, stunted growth. The children were allowed one shower a YEAR, probably to clean up before the Vegas renewal of vows. Now Daddy is charged with a sex crime against one of the girls. the 29 y/o weighed 82# when rescued. Only the 2 yo was well-fed. This is very sick stuff. So sad for the kids.
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More details about this horrific story emerging. The escape was planned for two years by the 17 y/o. A second daughter escaped with her, but turned around and went back. Cognitive deficits, malnutrition, stunted growth. The children were allowed one shower a YEAR, probably to clean up before the Vegas renewal of vows. Now Daddy is charged with a sex crime against one of the girls. the 29 y/o weighed 82# when rescued. Only the 2 yo was well-fed. This is very sick stuff. So sad for the kids.
Do you know if the oldest is male or female?
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Do you know if the oldest is male or female?
@musiclady
The story I read said the 29 y/o was a daughter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-13-siblings-allowed-eat-once-day-shower-n838671 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-13-siblings-allowed-eat-once-day-shower-n838671)
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I've noticed that a LOT of Public School teachers either send their own children to private schools or home school them. I'm 100% sure they know there are systemic problems in the schools, or they would not be escaping them.
Can you explain how a public school teacher has the time to home school and work as a teacher? Isn't it an indictment on their own incompetence and failure to make such a move? It's like the Toyota dealer driving around town in a Buick.
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@musiclady
The story I read said the 29 y/o was a daughter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-13-siblings-allowed-eat-once-day-shower-n838671 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-13-siblings-allowed-eat-once-day-shower-n838671)
Thank you.
This is so disturbing, I can't grasp it.
These two deserve a special place in hell for what they have done. It is demonic. Absolutely demonic.
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Can you explain how a public school teacher has the time to home school and work as a teacher? Isn't it an indictment on their own incompetence and failure to make such a move? It's like the Toyota dealer driving around town in a Buick.
I have no idea, I am not familiar with how the teacher's family life is structured.
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I have no idea, I am not familiar with how the teacher's family life is structured.
I was going to go into teaching and teachers. But after setting foot in the school house, I found the prospect of spending a career with those people revolting.
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I was going to go into teaching and teachers. But after setting foot in the school house, I found the prospect of spending a career with those people revolting.
They are a generally stupid lot.
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I was going to go into teaching and teachers. But after setting foot in the school house, I found the prospect of spending a career with those people revolting.
You got a lot closer to it than I. I cannot stand teaching.
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They are a generally stupid lot.
The lowest SAT scores in most colleges are those of the elementary ed majors.
Of course Music Ed majors are among the highest....
Or not. :dx1:
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You got a lot closer to it than I. I cannot stand teaching.
I love it so much I teach teachers to teach music.
(Make that "taught." I just retired).
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You got a lot closer to it than I. I cannot stand teaching.
That 1st year was a great year to be single. The 1st week of school I asked every class if any of them had older single sisters. I gave extra credit if they showed me a picture and set me up.
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Here is the latest...
'House of Horrors' parents plead NOT GUILTY to abusing their 13 children as it's revealed the starved siblings were forced to stay awake all night in squalid home - and heroic daughter, 17, who raised the alarm planned her escape for TWO YEARS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5285723/House-horrors-parents-kept-children-night.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5285723/House-horrors-parents-kept-children-night.html)
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@DCPatriot
Just shows how ignorant you are about homeshooling. Most homeschooled children excel in the academics but are also very well socially balanced. More so then many public school aged children. Because homeschooled children tend to have parents who spend more time parenting. Additionally, homeschooled kids tend to have exposure to all different age groups. Where public school kids spend most of their time with kids their age.
Both forms of education can be good but the myth that homeschooled kids are not socially adjusted is a lie. Number wise far more whacked out kids come from public schools, so if thats your justification then public schools must be outlawed.
Another thing people aren't aware of is that many home school families network with other homeschool families for field trips and other shared learning experiences and socialization. They are not locked away from interacting with other kids as some will have you believe.
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I love it so much I teach teachers to teach music.
(Make that "taught." I just retired).
All power to ya. I just don't have the patience. I don't play well with others. I work in a lab where I measure electronics devices, and I automated it to the point where I haven't worked with anybody else for many years. I have co workers, but I rarely see them. I talk to all y'all on TBR far more than I speak to real people, face to face. Even my support people in IT are people I deal with online. I have a session scheduled in the morning with a fellow from India, via Skype, to fix my laptop that did not come back up fully after the Windows 10 upgrade.
If I wasn't such a loaner I'd probably be depressed at the isolation, but I built those walls....
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Here is the latest...
'House of Horrors' parents plead NOT GUILTY to abusing their 13 children as it's revealed the starved siblings were forced to stay awake all night in squalid home - and heroic daughter, 17, who raised the alarm planned her escape for TWO YEARS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5285723/House-horrors-parents-kept-children-night.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5285723/House-horrors-parents-kept-children-night.html)
Seen the unblured photos of those children posted earlier just breaks my heart. What sort of evil can control someone's actions horrific as this?
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Can you explain how a public school teacher has the time to home school and work as a teacher? Isn't it an indictment on their own incompetence and failure to make such a move? It's like the Toyota dealer driving around town in a Buick.
I don't know what most of them do but my daughter quit teaching when she had her first child. Also when you home school you aren't schooling all day long. When you only have a few of your own it doesn't take all day. I think my daughter teaches in the morning and their afternoons are free. Their Baptist church has a homeschooling group and they attend that once a week all year long. Usually they have someone coming in to teach a particular subject (my daughter has taught music and spanish) or they do academic projects or field trips. They have a music recital once a year as almost all of the home schoolers play a musical instrument or two. Her husband is a music teacher and works full time. She teaches music lessons out of her home and has a PHD in Music Theory.
It take alot of time to home school properly. I don't know how one would do it and work a full time job as well. Maybe they could do it part time? My daughter considers parenting a full time job and that includes teaching them as well.
It seems like home schooling gets a bad name from those who use it to cover for abusing their children.
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Seen the unblured photos of those children posted earlier just breaks my heart. What sort of evil can control someone's actions horrific as this?
Awful.
Heard it reported this morning that the children were only allowed to bathe ONCE A YEAR!!
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Awful.
Heard it reported this morning that the children were only allowed to bathe ONCE A YEAR!!
And far worse. While chained up which were weeks and months at a time they were not aloud to visit the bathroom. They never went to the dentist. And food such as pies were set out beyond their reach, that they could see but never touch. The more we learn, the more this story sickens me.
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And far worse. While chained up which were weeks and months at a time they were not aloud to visit the bathroom. They never went to the dentist. And food such as pies were set out beyond their reach, that they could see but never touch. The more we learn, the more this story sickens me.
With all of that I don't understand the wedding pictures. Other then the clothes and haircuts the children appear to be happy and normal. Yes it looks kinda like a Chevy Chase vacation wedding but they don't look abused in those pictures.
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With all of that I don't understand the wedding pictures. Other then the clothes and haircuts the children appear to be happy and normal. Yes it looks kinda like a Chevy Chase vacation wedding but they don't look abused in those pictures.
The children were probably happy because they'd had their annual bath and saw the light of day. They knew better than to let anyone see their true situation. They looked undersized. I agree, no other signs of abuse. The story is appalling. I wonder if they can ever recover.
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With all of that I don't understand the wedding pictures. Other then the clothes and haircuts the children appear to be happy and normal. Yes it looks kinda like a Chevy Chase vacation wedding but they don't look abused in those pictures.
Look again. Some look very very thin. Even seeing bone structure. Like Karen Carenter before she passed.
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Also the children wore the same clothes several years in a row for the renewal vows....they didn't outgrow them.
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Look again. Some look very very thin. Even seeing bone structure. Like Karen Carenter before she passed.
You're right, the one on the far right seems exceedingly thin and pale. The one second from the left is also quite pale.
I doubt these children/young adults will ever live normal lives. Mental and physical development must be severely stunted and the emotional scars will be difficult to deal with.
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Look again. Some look very very thin. Even seeing bone structure. Like Karen Carenter before she passed.
Yes. Their faces are gaunt and not normal kid thin faces.
We have some pretty skinny kids in our greater family who are healthy and normal and they do not look like these kids do.
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Also the children wore the same clothes several years in a row for the renewal vows....they didn't outgrow them.
And no one noticed.......... **nononono*
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I'm convinced there really is evil in this world.
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I'm convinced there really is evil in this world.
Of course there is. I find it interesting when we are surprised to see that it exists.
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Of course there is. I find it interesting when we are surprised to see that it exists.
Maybe I'm strange - I still believe in Santa Claus. If I didn't I think I'd be crazy.
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I'm convinced there really is evil in this world.
There is no other word to better describe what these "parents" did to their children, @Freya .
And, IMO, there is no punishment adequate for this level of depravity.
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A quiverfull of crazy.
Sad.
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There is no other word to better describe what these "parents" did to their children, @Freya .
And, IMO, there is no punishment adequate for this level of depravity.
It's also sad because there are some wonderful people here who would make great parents and can't.
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With all of that I don't understand the wedding pictures. Other then the clothes and haircuts the children appear to be happy and normal. Yes it looks kinda like a Chevy Chase vacation wedding but they don't look abused in those pictures.
You are not alone on that. I don't see it either although I absolutely believe the children's story. They look like normal kids to me. I have 6 grandchildren of various ages and I don't see much difference. I'm looking at the arms and faces however. Clothing could be covering up a lot. The Elvis wedding stuff is just so odd. To do it once is weird but 3 times????
Also one of the older boys was reportedly taking a class at a college. His mother dropped him off and waited for him to take him home. In that time couldn't he have asked a teacher for help? Gave the teacher a note or something? He obviously must have been on the ball enough to take a college class but why would the parents allow it in the first place? This is the most curious case. Unfortunately books will most likely be written and movies made about this case never giving these children a chance of a normal life. The best thing for them may be new identities. It's going to be hard to protect them, especially the older ones.
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You are not alone on that. I don't see it either although I absolutely believe the children's story. They look like normal kids to me. I have 6 grandchildren of various ages and I don't see much difference. I'm looking at the arms and faces however. Clothing could be covering up a lot. The Elvis wedding stuff is just so odd. To do it once is weird but 3 times????
Also one of the older boys was reportedly taking a class at a college. His mother dropped him off and waited for him to take him home. In that time couldn't he have asked a teacher for help? Gave the teacher a note or something? He obviously must have been on the ball enough to take a college class but why would the parents allow it in the first place? This is the most curious case. Unfortunately books will most likely be written and movies made about this case never giving these children a chance of a normal life. The best thing for them may be new identities. It's going to be hard to protect them, especially the older ones.
I think it would difficult for these children to recover from the horrific abuse at the hands of people who are supposed to protect them, with or without movies and books. The boy going to college classes did so because the parents wanted him to- for a reason that benefitted them, maybe so he could get a job to support them in their old age.. I think the kids suffered from Stockholm Syndrome- until one brave girl planned her escape.
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I think it would difficult for these children to recover from the horrific abuse at the hands of people who are supposed to protect them, with or without movies and books. The boy going to college classes did so because the parents wanted him to- for a reason that benefitted them, maybe so he could get a job to support them in their old age.. I think the kids suffered from Stockholm Syndrome- until one brave girl planned her escape.
The 17 year old may be the only one who even partly recovers from this. The sister with her who turned back obviously suffers from Stockholm Syndrome, and most likely the other kids do.
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I think it would difficult for these children to recover from the horrific abuse at the hands of people who are supposed to protect them, with or without movies and books. The boy going to college classes did so because the parents wanted him to- for a reason that benefitted them, maybe so he could get a job to support them in their old age.. I think the kids suffered from Stockholm Syndrome- until one brave girl planned her escape.
Evidently the mom took him to his class(es) and waited outside the classroom in the hallway the entire time and then drove him home. I wonder if anyone was aware of that or thought it strange. But "strange" or "eccentric" or “weird†often isn't enough for someone to call the authorities.
But that kid, even if he thought of telling someone was probably too afraid to, given that mom was barely leaving him out of her sight.
I read in the Daily Mail that for a time when the family lived in Texas that the older children had befriended a neighbor’s child and played with her, this would have been before 2010 when the really bad abuse allegedly started. The parent’s shortly before they moved stopped allowing them to play with this girl and kept the kids confined to the back yard where no one could see them. So for a time some of the older children had contact with others, perhaps enough to know and understand that the abuse and isolation wasn’t normal.
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Stockholm Syndrome.
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Yep. Some will use this type of case to demonize home schooling. State laws vary on homeschooling rules. In WI there are no home visits. The nice thing about home schooling is that you get to choose who your children socialize with but you have to put forth some effort to make sure they get the proper social life and are not isolated. Like you said, there are always going to be whack jobs that tarnish the image.
@DCPatriot @Conservative Granny I have been a public school teacher for 22 years now in three different states. In New York and Virginia students have to take the standardized tests which the local schools administer. Home schooled students ON AVERAGE do no better of worse than public school students. It all depends on the curriculum, the student and the parents. Frequently the parents will focus on their areas of strength and other areas will fall by the wayside. Up in NYS for whatever reason most of the homeschoolers could not pass the Regents science exams to save their lives. They had a 75% FAILURE rate compared to the 90+% PASS rate at the one school I taught at. They did do comparable on the English and Math exams. In the area I Live now approximately 50% of the Homeschoolers begin sending their children to public schools in the ninth grade. The ones I have spoken to aid it was because of the language requirements.
I am not opposed to homeschooling, I am 100% in favor of whatever works best a particular child and family. What I am opposed to are the Holier than thou homeschooling advocates that want to scream and rant that every single public school teacher is a government shill liberal pervert. The fact is that in 22 years I have seen a lot more parents that should be locked up the way they treat their own children than teachers that should not be allowed to teach. I could tell you about the inner city mothers that churn out kids to increase their government benefits checks, or the step mother that stripped an extension cord and used it as a whip on her steps daughters back, or the father that broke his son's nose because he did not place in a swim meet.
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Can you explain how a public school teacher has the time to home school and work as a teacher? Isn't it an indictment on their own incompetence and failure to make such a move? It's like the Toyota dealer driving around town in a Buick.
@Frank Cannon Well the one that I know of, his wife is a stay at home mom and the reason they do it has nothing to do with the quality of the education it is due to certain allergies that the children have.
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They are a generally stupid lot.
@Frank Cannon I have 2 Bachelors degrees, 2 Masters and the equivalent of 2 more, one in Engineering, and one in Theology, How many do you have?
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@Frank Cannon I have 2 Bachelors degrees, 2 Masters and the equivalent of 2 more, one in Engineering, and one in Theology, How many do you have?
888high58888
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@DCPatriot @Conservative Granny I have been a public school teacher for 22 years now in three different states. In New York and Virginia students have to take the standardized tests which the local schools administer. Home schooled students ON AVERAGE do no better of worse than public school students. It all depends on the curriculum, the student and the parents. Frequently the parents will focus on their areas of strength and other areas will fall by the wayside. Up in NYS for whatever reason most of the homeschoolers could not pass the Regents science exams to save their lives. They had a 75% FAILURE rate compared to the 90+% PASS rate at the one school I taught at. They did do comparable on the English and Math exams. In the area I Live now approximately 50% of the Homeschoolers begin sending their children to public schools in the ninth grade. The ones I have spoken to aid it was because of the language requirements.
I am not opposed to homeschooling, I am 100% in favor of whatever works best a particular child and family. What I am opposed to are the Holier than thou homeschooling advocates that want to scream and rant that every single public school teacher is a government shill liberal pervert. The fact is that in 22 years I have seen a lot more parents that should be locked up the way they treat their own children than teachers that should not be allowed to teach. I could tell you about the inner city mothers that churn out kids to increase their government benefits checks, or the step mother that stripped an extension cord and used it as a whip on her steps daughters back, or the father that broke his son's nose because he did not place in a swim meet.
888high58888
I teach in an urban school system. The stories I could tell **nononono*
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@Frank Cannon I have 2 Bachelors degrees, 2 Masters and the equivalent of 2 more, one in Engineering, and one in Theology, How many do you have?
@verga
@musiclady
I have 23 collectors cars as well as a new Mercedes S class as a beater car, a 6 bedroom 4 bath house with a billiard room and bar, swimming pool and massive garage to house my toys including a boat and camper on a lot of land. I also have a hot wife as well as massive real estate holdings and a successful business.
What are your degrees doing for you other than hiding mold stains on the wall?
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@verga
@musiclady
I have 23 collectors cars as well as a new Mercedes S class as a beater car, a 6 bedroom 4 bath house with a billiard room and bar, swimming pool and massive garage to house my toys including a boat and camper on a lot of land. I also have a hot wife as well as massive real estate holdings and a successful business.
What are your degrees doing for you other than hiding mold stains on the wall?
Well, unlike @verga , I only have one bachelor's degree and one masters, but they have given me 45 years of great joy in teaching from pre-school, through the college level. I love kids, and I love the youthful thinking and vitality they have added to my life. I love continuing to learn myself in order to teach more effectively, and have treasured the time I've spent in study to that end. I love making music (my HS choirs excelled at State Contests and performed great music, including a Bach motet). And I love that my life and my teaching has made a difference in hundreds of people's lives.
I can't speak for verga, but for me, and for most teachers, our degrees have brought us great fulfillment both professionally and personally.
I hope that answers your question, insincere though it may have been. :beer:
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@verga
@musiclady
I have 23 collectors cars as well as a new Mercedes S class as a beater car, a 6 bedroom 4 bath house with a billiard room and bar, swimming pool and massive garage to house my toys including a boat and camper on a lot of land. I also have a hot wife as well as massive real estate holdings and a successful business.
What are your degrees doing for you other than hiding mold stains on the wall?
@Frank Cannon @musiclady To date I have taught several dozen engineers, Half a dozen Architects, About a dozen police officers, 1 Pediatrician, 1 Dentist. I have a half a dozen current and former students involved in IT. My wife and I live in a very modest 3 bedroom home and we also do animal rescue and are active in our Church and several civic organizations. Nothing in your CV screams of improving the world in the least. Feel free to live vicariously through me if you like.
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Well, unlike @verga , I only have one bachelor's degree and one masters, but they have given me 45 years of great joy in teaching from pre-school, through the college level. I love kids, and I love the youthful thinking and vitality they have added to my life. I love continuing to learn myself in order to teach more effectively, and have treasured the time I've spent in study to that end. I love making music (my HS choirs excelled at State Contests and performed great music, including a Bach motet). And I love that my life and my teaching has made a difference in hundreds of people's lives.
I can't speak for verga, but for me, and for most teachers, our degrees have brought us great fulfillment both professionally and personally.
I hope that answers your question, insincere though it may have been. :beer:
@ffrankcannon @musiclady :amen: Ditto what the nice lady said.
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888high58888
I teach in an urban school system. The stories I could tell **nononono*
@goodwithagun My first year in an urban school during parent conferences I met with a grandmother that was the exact same age as me. That was the beginning of what convinced me to teach in rural schools. I love teaching in the south I am called "Sir" on a daily basis and the male students hold doors open for the female teachers and students.
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Nothing in your CV screams of improving the world in the least. Feel free to live vicariously through me if you like.
If everyone would improve their own world, there wouldn't be any problems, but if you want to play that game, I improve the world by giving semi literate morons affordable housing that doesn't involve the govt'.
BTW, how is teaching engineering improving the world? There are quite a few instances of engineering causing harm....
Engineering’s Ten Biggest Mistakes
1. Tacoma Narrows Bridge
2. Big Dig Tunnel (Boston, MA)
3. Ford Pinto
4. Bridgestone/Firestone Tires 5. Space Shuttle Challenger
6. London Millenium Footbridge
7. Aloha Airlines Flight 243
8. Hyatt Regency Walkway (Kansas City)
9.Maytag Front-Load Washing Machine
10.Denver Airport Baggage Handling System
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/made-by-monkeys/general-design/engineerings-ten-biggest-mista-2007-07/ (https://www.electronicsweekly.com/made-by-monkeys/general-design/engineerings-ten-biggest-mista-2007-07/)
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Looks like another application for my as yet unused domain
"insultathon.com"
seems to be an large installed base here, for such a place
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Awful.
Heard it reported this morning that the children were only allowed to bathe ONCE A YEAR!!
@DCPatriot
What the hell?
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Looks like another application for my as yet unused domain
"insultathon.com"
seems to be an large installed base here, for such a place
Another veiled smear of Briefers, TS?
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@ffrankcannon @musiclady :amen: Ditto what the nice lady said.
:beer:
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Another veiled smear of Briefers, TS?
Not all that veiled...... **nononono*
The most frequent thing that TS does while here is insult the forum, while posting freely on the forum he so despises.
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Not all that veiled...... **nononono*
The most frequent thing that TS does while here is insult the forum, while posting freely on the forum he so despises.
Generally speaking, if I don't like the way a place is run, I don't hang around. I have self-respect.
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Generally speaking, if I don't like the way a place is run, I don't hang around. I have self-respect.
That's clearly lacking in one who hates the forum yet spends so much time here.
I almost feel sorry for him.......
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If everyone would improve their own world, there wouldn't be any problems, but if you want to play that game, I improve the world by giving semi literate morons affordable housing that doesn't involve the govt'.
BTW, how is teaching engineering improving the world? There are quite a few instances of engineering causing harm....
Engineering’s Ten Biggest Mistakes
1. Tacoma Narrows Bridge
2. Big Dig Tunnel (Boston, MA)
3. Ford Pinto
4. Bridgestone/Firestone Tires 5. Space Shuttle Challenger
6. London Millenium Footbridge
7. Aloha Airlines Flight 243
8. Hyatt Regency Walkway (Kansas City)
9.Maytag Front-Load Washing Machine
10.Denver Airport Baggage Handling System
https://www.electronicsweekly.com/made-by-monkeys/general-design/engineerings-ten-biggest-mista-2007-07/ (https://www.electronicsweekly.com/made-by-monkeys/general-design/engineerings-ten-biggest-mista-2007-07/)
@Frank Cannon Congratulations frankie you have proven that you have the exact same skill set that is required of my ninth graders the first week of school. Lest you forget engineers designed those collectible cars that you have coveted as well as most of the products in your home and the houses that you sell to the semi literate masses.
But rather than allowing you to embarrass yourself further let me make the same offer that I have made countless times to your fellow homeschooling advocates over on TOS: Come on in the water is fine, show me how to do my job better. Get a teaching degree, do your student teaching, find someone that feels you have what it takes to reach a classroom full of mini yous and dive right in.
Now if you are like the rest of the A holes over at TOS you will say that you are too busy, too good, too smart, or whatever other feeble excuse will make you feel superior. When you do send me your address so i can send you one of those pink hats that your kind loves so well.
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@DCPatriot @Conservative Granny I have been a public school teacher for 22 years now in three different states. In New York and Virginia students have to take the standardized tests which the local schools administer. Home schooled students ON AVERAGE do no better of worse than public school students. It all depends on the curriculum, the student and the parents. Frequently the parents will focus on their areas of strength and other areas will fall by the wayside. Up in NYS for whatever reason most of the homeschoolers could not pass the Regents science exams to save their lives. They had a 75% FAILURE rate compared to the 90+% PASS rate at the one school I taught at. They did do comparable on the English and Math exams. In the area I Live now approximately 50% of the Homeschoolers begin sending their children to public schools in the ninth grade. The ones I have spoken to aid it was because of the language requirements.
I am not opposed to homeschooling, I am 100% in favor of whatever works best a particular child and family. What I am opposed to are the Holier than thou homeschooling advocates that want to scream and rant that every single public school teacher is a government shill liberal pervert. The fact is that in 22 years I have seen a lot more parents that should be locked up the way they treat their own children than teachers that should not be allowed to teach. I could tell you about the inner city mothers that churn out kids to increase their government benefits checks, or the step mother that stripped an extension cord and used it as a whip on her steps daughters back, or the father that broke his son's nose because he did not place in a swim meet.
@verga I agree with you about the teacher bashing. I have too many close family members who are teachers and I know better. This case isn't about home schooling it is about a pair of human debris trying to pass themselves off as parents.
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@verga
The hardest job I ever had was my year teaching HS English. I had no problems teaching Sunday School or when I was in Grad School, but that one year made me shelf my teaching degree and get into something else- research (fact checking) which led to being taught journalism on the fly.
I have nothing but respect for teachers, it's a tough profession. I know like any profession there are good ones and bad ones, and I personally had some bad ones in jr high and high school.
I'm grateful I loved reading and self taught myself and did a lot of extra credit, so I could get into a wonderful college.
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@Frank Cannon Congratulations frankie you have proven that you have the exact same skill set that is required of my ninth graders the first week of school. Lest you forget engineers designed those collectible cars that you have coveted as well as most of the products in your home and the houses that you sell to the semi literate masses.
But rather than allowing you to embarrass yourself further let me make the same offer that I have made countless times to your fellow homeschooling advocates over on TOS: Come on in the water is fine, show me how to do my job better. Get a teaching degree, do your student teaching, find someone that feels you have what it takes to reach a classroom full of mini yous and dive right in.
Now if you are like the rest of the A holes over at TOS you will say that you are too busy, too good, too smart, or whatever other feeble excuse will make you feel superior. When you do send me your address so i can send you one of those pink hats that your kind loves so well.
You silly self important jackass. I'm not a homeschooler. I live in an affluent area not just because I don't have to circulate with riff raff like yourself but we have exceptional schools. That doesn't mean the teachers are not a bunch of lazy eff ups. I know a few of them personally and wouldn't hire a one to mop out a basement flooded from a backed up shitter.
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You silly self important jackass. I'm not a homeschooler. I live in an affluent area not just because I don't have to circulate with riff raff like yourself but we have exceptional schools. That doesn't mean the teachers are not a bunch of lazy eff ups. I know a few of them personally and wouldn't hire a one to mop out a basement flooded from a backed up shitter.
I homeschool, but apparently since I only have an engineering degree I'm not qualified.
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I homeschool, but apparently since I only have an engineering degree I'm not qualified.
Uh oh. Don't let that poster find out. His head will explode from the contradictions.
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Engineering’s Ten Biggest Mistakes . . .
To be fair, the Challenger and the Pinto weren't engineering mistakes. They were Management mistakes.
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@Frank Cannon Congratulations frankie you have proven that you have the exact same skill set that is required of my ninth graders the first week of school. Lest you forget engineers designed those collectible cars that you have coveted as well as most of the products in your home and the houses that you sell to the semi literate masses.
But rather than allowing you to embarrass yourself further let me make the same offer that I have made countless times to your fellow homeschooling advocates over on TOS: Come on in the water is fine, show me how to do my job better. Get a teaching degree, do your student teaching, find someone that feels you have what it takes to reach a classroom full of mini yous and dive right in.
Now if you are like the rest of the A holes over at TOS you will say that you are too busy, too good, too smart, or whatever other feeble excuse will make you feel superior. When you do send me your address so i can send you one of those pink hats that your kind loves so well.
@verga
There are some rabid homeschoolers over at TOS. I tangled with a few for dare saying that not all parents are qualified to homeschool because they may be barely literate or educated themselves or lack the self-discipline, patience or organizational skills needed. I noted that Ben Carson’s mother couldn’t read, but she was a good mom who sent her son to a public school but pushed him to succeed. She used to make him read books outside of school and had him write book reports that she herself couldn’t read.
Pay no mind to Frankie. He’s a contrarian just for the sake of being one and the only skill he’s mastered.
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@verga
@musiclady
I have 23 collectors cars as well as a new Mercedes S class as a beater car, a 6 bedroom 4 bath house with a billiard room and bar, swimming pool and massive garage to house my toys including a boat and camper on a lot of land. I also have a hot wife as well as massive real estate holdings and a successful business.
What are your degrees doing for you other than hiding mold stains on the wall?
LOL! When you boast about your wealth/success in a response to @vergo, who was merely explaining her experience/education credentials,
you diminish yourself greatly, while providing a glimpse of your insecurities to everyone here.
And this isn't the first time. Did the same thing to me a month ago, stomping your feet and bragging about your 'wealth'.
**nononono*
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I opened this thread to learn of any updates and........ well let me put it this way after about 3 or 4 pages on any topic the discussion is so off topic and often turns to mud slinging that unless you want to join something more resembling the Jerry Springer Show then "don't click here". Or qouting Bazing Saddles, "our town is turning into Sh%&.
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Sometimes things happen that make you want to ask "what the HELL is wrong with these people?",and occasionally something like this happens and you don't even bother to ask because you know there is no explanation.
Lock them up in cages and let them spend the rest of their lives as medical experiments.
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To be fair, the Challenger and the Pinto weren't engineering mistakes. They were Management mistakes.
It's also not fair to claim the Hyatt Regency Walkway (Kansas City) was an engineering mistake. There was nothing wrong with the original design, but the construction contractor made changes to the bridge supports that weakened the attachments to the bridge (and did not clear them with the original engineers) that caused the collapses.
The Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse was also not a "mistake," in the strictest sense, because it was designed with the best understood principles of the day. It was only later that it was discovered wind had more than the expected effect on the structure, which lead to a new understanding for future bridges. The Mackinac Bridge incorporated the new intelligence and does not waver to this day, despite being much longer than Tacoma Narrows.
Somehow I knew this tread was going to veer way off topic when the subject of home schooling came up. It always does.
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Engineering’s Ten Biggest Mistakes
3. Ford Pinto
@Frank Cannon
I can't speak for the rest of them,but the Pinto was a GREAT sub-compact car,and most likely the most reliable one made. I know of several that went past 200k miles with idiots as owners and operators. Pinto engines are still being used in dirt track race cars.
The Vega was a piece of Bush,but the Pinto was a great car for $2300,new. The only problem I ever saw with them was the base car could get you sea sick on a road with high and low places because of the short wheelbase,but get a station wagon and that disappeared.
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I have a hard time visualizing this father as an engineer with his dollar-store surfer-boy wig. My husband’s biological father is an engineer; I’ve never met him, but I’ve seen pics, and he looks pretty buttoned-up and conservative. Wig dude going to work in some suit at a firm is a bizarre mental image.
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You silly self important jackass. I'm not a homeschooler. I live in an affluent area not just because I don't have to circulate with riff raff like yourself but we have exceptional schools. That doesn't mean the teachers are not a bunch of lazy eff ups. I know a few of them personally and wouldn't hire a one to mop out a basement flooded from a backed up shitter.
@Frank Cannon Frankie Frankie Frankie, I didn't say you were a homeschooler, I said you were a homeschooling ADVOCATE. See you silly little man they are two different things. BTW I have tried to see things from you myopic (that means nearsighted) point of view, but i just can't seem to get my head that far up my butt.
So listen I, and everyone else reading this thread, noticed that you dodged the request: Come on in, the waters warm. Get your teaching degree and show me how to do it better.
The fact is that you and the rest of the homeschooling ADVOCATES (I capitalized it in a meager hope that you won't miss it this time) wouldn't last a New York minute in any classroom,much less an inner city one. So my very best advice it to STFU and go sit in the corner and thank your lucky stars that there are people like me willing to attempt to educate the fruits of your loins.
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I have a hard time visualizing this father as an engineer with his dollar-store surfer-boy wig. My husband’s biological father is an engineer; I’ve never met him, but I’ve seen pics, and he looks pretty buttoned-up and conservative. Wig dude going to work in some suit at a firm is a bizarre mental image.
@CatherineofAragon
I’m an engineer and work for a very large company with hundreds of engineers...while it’s true most of us are conservative....like everywhere else, you can find every sort of freakshow walking our floors!
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I homeschool, but apparently since I only have an engineering degree I'm not qualified.
@RoosGirl Never said that, but don't let the fats get in your way.
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LOL! When you boast about your wealth/success in a response to @vergo, who was merely explaining her experience/education credentials,
you diminish yourself greatly, while providing a glimpse of your insecurities to everyone here.
And this isn't the first time. Did the same thing to me a month ago, stomping your feet and bragging about your 'wealth'.
**nononono*
@DCPatriot Thank you for the support, but for the record I am 100% USDA APPROVED male, at least I still was the last time I checked.
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@CatherineofAragon
I’m an engineer and work for a very large company with hundreds of engineers...while it’s true most of us are conservative....like everywhere else, you can find every sort of freakshow walking our floors!
@Axeslinger
Lol, makes sense these days.
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@RoosGirl Never said that, but don't let the fats get in your way.
@verga Below is your comment I was mostly responding. Perhaps you did not mean it to sound as though no one is qualified to teach their own child unless they have a teaching degree.
But rather than allowing you to embarrass yourself further let me make the same offer that I have made countless times to your fellow homeschooling advocates over on TOS: Come on in the water is fine, show me how to do my job better. Get a teaching degree, do your student teaching, find someone that feels you have what it takes to reach a classroom full of mini yous and dive right in.
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The only problem I ever saw with them was the base car could get you sea sick on a road with high and low places because of the short wheelbase,but get a station wagon and that disappeared.
You don't recall any other problems with the Pinto?
(http://www.governmentalwaysfails.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/fordpinto.jpg)
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@Frank Cannon Frankie Frankie Frankie, I didn't say you were a homeschooler, I said you were a homeschooling ADVOCATE. See you silly little man they are two different things. BTW I have tried to see things from you myopic (that means nearsighted) point of view, but i just can't seem to get my head that far up my butt.
So listen I, and everyone else reading this thread, noticed that you dodged the request: Come on in, the waters warm. Get your teaching degree and show me how to do it better.
The fact is that you and the rest of the homeschooling ADVOCATES (I capitalized it in a meager hope that you won't miss it this time) wouldn't last a New York minute in any classroom,much less an inner city one. So my very best advice it to STFU and go sit in the corner and thank your lucky stars that there are people like me willing to attempt to educate the fruits of your loins.
Hey teach. You might as well back away and give up on this thread. Your jackassery is on display with you insulting homeschoolers (which I am not nor ever have been) and when a homeschooler calls you out for your nonsense, you claim you didn't say it. LOL. You are proving my original statement about teachers with every subsequent post you make on this thread.
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Hi everybody! :seeya:
This thread has wandered so far off the original topic in its 150+ posts, I don't know if it's possible to ever get it back on track. I suspected this would happen as soon as the subject of Home Schooling effectively hijacked the thread.
Let's get back to discussing the 13 children who were kept as prisoners in their own home...
This is my first and final warning.
Thank you for your attention!
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@DCPatriot Thank you for the support, but for the record I am 100% USDA APPROVED male, at least I still was the last time I checked.
LOL! Well, ...sure glad we can get that straightened out! :beer:
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Which goes to prove, distinctive gender identity is important.
It’s unsettling talking to someone and can’t tell if they are male or female. I don’t mean just here, in real life situations, too.
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You don't recall any other problems with the Pinto?
(http://www.governmentalwaysfails.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/fordpinto.jpg)
@Frank Cannon
No. I do remember (I think it was on NBC) a news special about exploding Pinto and GM pickup gas tanks,but that was mostly bullbush. I personally knew a dozen or more people that owned Pintos and drove them for over 100k miles that never had any trouble,and I am not PERSONALLY aware of even ONE single gas tank explosion. Yeah,I know,a law firm and/or NBC hired a research team to find multiple gas tank explosion in Pintos that were rear-ended,but find it odd that they couldn't seem to find a similar percentage of rear end collision gas tank explosions with Vegas,Omnis,and even bigger cars. They didn't because they didn't look or want to know,and they didn't want to know because it was Ford they filed their multi-billion dollar class action law suit against. Finding explosions in other cars would have weakened their case.
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@Frank Cannon
No. I do remember (I think it was on NBC) a news special about exploding Pinto and GM pickup gas tanks,but that was mostly bullbush. I personally knew a dozen or more people that owned Pintos and drove them for over 100k miles that never had any trouble,and I am not PERSONALLY aware of even ONE single gas tank explosion. Yeah,I know,a law firm and/or NBC hired a research team to find multiple gas tank explosion in Pintos that were rear-ended,but find it odd that they couldn't seem to find a similar percentage of rear end collision gas tank explosions with Vegas,Omnis,and even bigger cars. They didn't because they didn't look or want to know,and they didn't want to know because it was Ford they filed their multi-billion dollar class action law suit against. Finding explosions in other cars would have weakened their case.
Finding explosions in other cars wouldn’t have weakened their case, but it would have been a colossal waste of time and effort because it wouldn’t have yielded admissible evidence.
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Finding explosions in other cars wouldn’t have weakened their case, but it would have been a colossal waste of time and effort because it wouldn’t have yielded admissible evidence.
@Oceander
I understand your points,but it would have weakened the class action case against the Pinto because you can't prove Ford is guilty of negligence if every other car manufacturer has similar problems. AFAIK,the "tripwire" is proving gross negligence leading to the loss of human lives,and it's not gross negligence if it happens all the time with everyone's cars.
And let's face it,cars are not designed to have other cars rear-end them at speed.
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@Oceander
I understand your points,but it would have weakened the class action case against the Pinto because you can't prove Ford is guilty of negligence if every other car manufacturer has similar problems. AFAIK,the "tripwire" is proving gross negligence leading to the loss of human lives,and it's not gross negligence if it happens all the time with everyone's cars.
And let's face it,cars are not designed to have other cars rear-end them at speed.
Nonsense. Just because other cars also explode does not mean that Ford was any the less negligent in designing the Pinto. In fact, it could have shown that they were grossly negligent in selling the thing at all if all small cars exploded, because selling a product with a known defect like that is, at best, negligent, if not an intentional tort.
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https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01/18/article-2018-01-18-turpins-charged-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/ (https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01/18/article-2018-01-18-turpins-charged-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/)
LOS ANGELES — (CWD) — Sources familiar with the investigation tell Crime Watch Daily with Chris Hansen that Riverside County Sheriff's Homicide Detectives are in serious discussions to send cadaver dogs to the Turpin residence. Authorities want to know if it’s possible that there may have been other children. Those discussions also include performing DNA tests to determine if all of the children are related. The Sheriff's Department would not confirm this information to "Crime Watch Daily."
I wonder if the DNA tests (if true) would be for another reason.
**nononono*
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https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01/18/article-2018-01-18-turpins-charged-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/ (https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01/18/article-2018-01-18-turpins-charged-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/)
I wonder if the DNA tests (if true) would be for another reason.
**nononono*
I wondered about that. Since the rescued children were so poorly fed, did others not make it?
And, they do look remarkable similar, but who knows?
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I am curious how they avoided detection, in multiple residences, for many years, in two states, by relatives, neighbors, employers, law enforcement, school authorities, members of their religious congregations, and so forth.
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@Frank Cannon
No. I do remember (I think it was on NBC) a news special about exploding Pinto and GM pickup gas tanks,but that was mostly bullbush.
NBC did the fake GM truck blowing up. Pintos actually did blow up. I don't know where you were but it was a big effing deal. The lawsuits and bad PR hurt the hell out of Ford for a long time....
Lee Iacocca's Pinto: A fiery failure
http://www.autonews.com/article/20030616/SUB/306160770/lee-iacoccas-pinto%3A-a-fiery-failure (http://www.autonews.com/article/20030616/SUB/306160770/lee-iacoccas-pinto%3A-a-fiery-failure)
On June 9, 1978, Ford agreed to recall 1.5 million Ford Pinto and 30,000 Mercury Bobcat sedan and hatchback models. Iacocca was fired the following month.
It was too late to save Ford's reputation. Ford customers filed 117 lawsuits, according to Peter Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca. A 1979 landmark case, Indiana vs. Ford Motor Co., made the automaker the first U.S. corporation indicted and prosecuted on criminal homicide charges.
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I am curious how they avoided detection, in multiple residences, for many years, in two states, by relatives, neighbors, employers, law enforcement, school authorities, members of their religious congregations, and so forth.
That's the sad thing, that people might have seen what was happening but said nothing.
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That's the sad thing, that people might have seen what was happening but said nothing.
It's the way neighborhoods are these days...people don't know each other. I've lived in this neighborhood for 20 years, and I only know the guy on one side of me. The other side is a rental and I don't know them ever. We knew one other set of neighbors, but my wife got mad at them for being pushy, so basically I don't know anybody anymore.
Everybody's strangers.
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https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01/18/article-2018-01-18-turpins-charged-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/ (https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01/18/article-2018-01-18-turpins-charged-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/)
I wonder if the DNA tests (if true) would be for another reason.
**nononono*
I wonder if the two year old was the offspring of one of the daughters, but maybe they were so poorly nourished they couldn't carry a child to term. The "father" is already charged with a sexual offense. I'll be following this story until the Turpin "parents" get their just desserts. My heart aches for those children.
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I wonder if the two year old was the offspring of one of the daughters, but maybe they were so poorly nourished they couldn't carry a child to term. The "father" is already charged with a sexual offense. I'll be following this story until the Turpin "parents" get their just desserts. My heart aches for those children.
That's a possibility, @austingirl . If the father sexually abused one of the daughters, it's entirely possible that he impregnated her, or another.
If she matured before the most serious abuse began, she might have been healthy enough to bear a child.
These people need to be punished to the max.
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That's the sad thing, that people might have seen what was happening but said nothing.
I read an article today that the neighbors in Texas suspected something was off kilter...but said nothing. How tragic.
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@Cyber Liberty
"I've lived in this neighborhood for 20 years, and I only know the guy on one side of me."
I have gotten to know a lot of our neighbors by name. You do not go in the front yard to garden. That's pretty much when you meet neighbors, and have a small chat with them. In the summer, it is more like "Hi" because it is so darned hot!
Everyone is pretty friendly here.
"We knew one other set of neighbors, but my wife got mad at them for being pushy..."
They wanted me to spy on the renters. Ummm, nope.
****slapping
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I read an article today that the neighbors in Texas suspected something was off kilter...but said nothing. How tragic.
Maybe it was this one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dead-dogs-filth-and-ropes-tied-to-beds-inside-the-turpins-home-in-texas-before-they-moved-to-perris/ar-AAuWX96 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dead-dogs-filth-and-ropes-tied-to-beds-inside-the-turpins-home-in-texas-before-they-moved-to-perris/ar-AAuWX96)
One neighbor said that one year they bought 8 bikes around Christmas time, left them outside and they were never used.
It sounds like one of the children tried to escape before and was returned by a local resident.
"A deputy was called to the Turpin house in 2001 when a child was bitten by a dog, and Vinyard’s uncle called the sheriff when the couple’s three pigs got loose in 2002. But Vinyard and his wife decided not to alert authorities about suspected abuse.
“We discussed it and we didn’t want to have the repercussions with them,†Vinyard said, especially since Turpin was armed."
The deputy didn't notice anything wrong? More comments from neighbors at link.
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Maybe it was this one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dead-dogs-filth-and-ropes-tied-to-beds-inside-the-turpins-home-in-texas-before-they-moved-to-perris/ar-AAuWX96 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dead-dogs-filth-and-ropes-tied-to-beds-inside-the-turpins-home-in-texas-before-they-moved-to-perris/ar-AAuWX96)
One neighbor said that one year they bought 8 bikes around Christmas time, left them outside and they were never used.
It sounds like one of the children tried to escape before and was returned by a local resident
"A deputy was called to the Turpin house in 2001 when a child was bitten by a dog, and Vinyard’s uncle called the sheriff when the couple’s three pigs got loose in 2002. But Vinyard and his wife decided not to alert authorities about suspected abuse.
“We discussed it and we didn’t want to have the repercussions with them,†Vinyard said, especially since Turpin was armed."
The deputy didn't notice anything wrong? More comments from neighbors at link.
Yes that is the article @ConservativeGranny . As sad as it is...hind sight is 20/20. I know that I would be beating myself up today.
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That's the sad thing, that people might have seen what was happening but said nothing.
Some one noticed and said nothing. They had relatives, who should have known what kids their ages were supposed to look like.
Somebody just didn't care.
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Maybe it was this one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dead-dogs-filth-and-ropes-tied-to-beds-inside-the-turpins-home-in-texas-before-they-moved-to-perris/ar-AAuWX96 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dead-dogs-filth-and-ropes-tied-to-beds-inside-the-turpins-home-in-texas-before-they-moved-to-perris/ar-AAuWX96)
One neighbor said that one year they bought 8 bikes around Christmas time, left them outside and they were never used.
It sounds like one of the children tried to escape before and was returned by a local resident.
"A deputy was called to the Turpin house in 2001 when a child was bitten by a dog, and Vinyard’s uncle called the sheriff when the couple’s three pigs got loose in 2002. But Vinyard and his wife decided not to alert authorities about suspected abuse.
“We discussed it and we didn’t want to have the repercussions with them,†Vinyard said, especially since Turpin was armed."
The deputy didn't notice anything wrong? More comments from neighbors at link.
More from that article on the 36 acre place in Texas:
“It was waist-deep in filth. There were dead dogs and cats in there,†he said, the smell “rancid.â€
He found two Chihuahuas that had survived by eating waste from a mound of soiled diapers. The family’s Ford F-150 truck was heaped with the dirty diapers and empty Vienna sausage cans, he said, “It seemed like that’s all they ate.â€
The couple had claimed to home-school their children, and the feces-littered living room had the trappings of a makeshift classroom, he said, including eight small desks, a chalkboard, alphabet and number signs stapled to the wall.
As he moved from room to room, he noticed something odd: “Everything had locks on it: The closet had locks, the toy chest, the refrigerator.â€
“There were no beds, just mattresses,†he said, and “There wasn’t a place in that house that wasn’t filthy.â€
Just mind-blowing.
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You don't recall any other problems with the Pinto?
(http://www.governmentalwaysfails.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/fordpinto.jpg)
Yes they were made in NJ, that's why they were explosive
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Back on topic, I heard these children kept diaries, and the few law people- police- lawyers who read them said they gave them nightmares.
I apologize to the mods for going off topic. This story really upsets me. I hope theskids can recover.
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@verga Below is your comment I was mostly responding. Perhaps you did not mean it to sound as though no one is qualified to teach their own child unless they have a teaching degree.
@RoosGirl @frankcannon All 50 states require a teaching license to teach in a public school system. Approximately 10 of them offer alternative licensing methods. Frankie was shooting his mouth off so I invited him to get a job at a school system to show me how to do my job better. If you had read my initial post you would have seen that I support what ever works best for each child and family. I personally don't care if it is public, private, parochial, homeschooling, charter school, or military academy. WHAT EVER WORKS BEST FOR EACH CHILD AND FAMILY.
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Hey teach. You might as well back away and give up on this thread. Your jackassery is on display with you insulting homeschoolers (which I am not nor ever have been) and when a homeschooler calls you out for your nonsense, you claim you didn't say it. LOL. You are proving my original statement about teachers with every subsequent post you make on this thread.
Keep talking little man maybe it makes you feel better about your other emmm deficits.
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@RoosGirl @frankcannon All 50 states require a teaching license to teach in a public school system. Approximately 10 of them offer alternative licensing methods. Frankie was shooting his mouth off so I invited him to get a job at a school system to show me how to do my job better. If you had read my initial post you would have seen that I support what ever works best for each child and family. I personally don't care if it is public, private, parochial, homeschooling, charter school, or military academy. WHAT EVER WORKS BEST FOR EACH CHILD AND FAMILY.
I read all of what you said. It was the part where you said you had invited "countless other homeschool advocates" to get their license like you had that makes it seem like you don't really mean that others should do whatever works for them. Anyway, it's neither here nor there with respect to the article.
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On the subject...
Cops may bring in cadaver dogs to see if any dead children are buried on the property....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/21/cops-may-bring-in-cadaver-dogs-to-search-for-possible-remains-other-children-at-calif-house-horrors.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/21/cops-may-bring-in-cadaver-dogs-to-search-for-possible-remains-other-children-at-calif-house-horrors.html)
It keeps getting worse.
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Back on topic, I heard these children kept diaries, and the few law people- police- lawyers who read them said they gave them nightmares.
I apologize to the mods for going off topic. This story really upsets me. I hope theskids can recover.
The younger ones might. I don't know how the older ones ever can. They have never known normal.
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Keep talking little man maybe it makes you feel better about your other emmm deficits.
LOL. [Nope] I love that it gets you out of joint that I have no respect for what you do. Keep posting your long winded go nowhere posts to remind me why I disregard what you have to say as nitwittery. Now if you don't mind, I'm going to spin a roulette wheel to see which of my many maid cleaned bathrooms I'm going to take a shit in.
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This is a serious thread. Can we keep it on topic, please??????
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This is a serious thread. Can we keep it on topic, please??????
Talk to #Verga about it. We were on topic talking about Pintos and he has to posts non sequiturs to pump up his deflated ego.
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Alright, that's quite enough. Back on topic. If you need help remembering what that is, view the subject line.
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Thanks to the Mods who are trying to keep this thread on topic. I looked for updates today and found nothing. I hope that the information in the children's journals seals the fate of the "parents." I read that they found two living, healthy, trained, well-nourished dogs, Maltese, this time rather than dead dogs left found in their Texas home.
Also read that the older boys were in on planning their escape as well. The kids are closely bonded and want to remain together.
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I’ve read the girl who escaped called 911. I haven’t read how she did this. Since a child escaped in the past, but was returned home by a neighbor, I’d think the children would be leery of going to a neighbor again.
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I’ve read the girl who escaped called 911. I haven’t read how she did this. Since a child escaped in the past, but was returned home by a neighbor, I’d think the children would be leery of going to a neighbor again.
@anubias
She took a deactivated cell phone she found in the house. I guess 911 still works on those. Didn't realize that. The incident of running away happened back in Texas pre-2010.
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I’ve read the girl who escaped called 911. I haven’t read how she did this. Since a child escaped in the past, but was returned home by a neighbor, I’d think the children would be leery of going to a neighbor again.
I read that the 17 year old took a cell phone from the home. It may not have been an active phone, but even so, as long as it has a charge, you can still use it to call 9-11.
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@anubias
She took a deactivated cell phone she found in the house. I guess 911 still works on those. Didn't realize that. The incident of running away happened back in Texas pre-2010.
Thank you @austingirl That was smart of them; although I’m surprised they had access to such a phone. The parents must not have realized one can call 911 on a deactivated phone or the kids hid the phone well.
This gives me hope that at least some of them still have a higher brain function than I was afraid they would have due to long term starvation.
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Thanks to the Mods who are trying to keep this thread on topic. I looked for updates today and found nothing. I hope that the information in the children's journals seals the fate of the "parents." I read that they found two living, healthy, trained, well-nourished dogs, Maltese, this time rather than dead dogs left found in their Texas home.
Also read that the older boys were in on planning their escape as well. The kids are closely bonded and want to remain together.
Any word on the use of cadaver dogs that was reported earlier? I sure hope that all the children survived.
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Thanks to the Mods who are trying to keep this thread on topic. I looked for updates today and found nothing. I hope that the information in the children's journals seals the fate of the "parents." I read that they found two living, healthy, trained, well-nourished dogs, Maltese, this time rather than dead dogs left found in their Texas home.
Also read that the older boys were in on planning their escape as well. The kids are closely bonded and want to remain together.
@austingirl
They had/have homes in Texas and in another state,too?
I can't follow this too much. I really,really,REALLY want to hurt those adults.
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@anubias
She took a deactivated cell phone she found in the house. I guess 911 still works on those. Didn't realize that. The incident of running away happened back in Texas pre-2010.
@austingirl
Yup,911 always works,as long as there is a battery or the phone is plugged in. I read years ago that was a requirement the FCC put on cell phones when they were first put on the market.
IIRC,there is even at least one organization that collects old cell phones and gives them to people with health issues and not much money that live alone.
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California torture house: Louise Turpin’s sister said sibling experimented with religion, sex
by Kalhan Rosenblatt
It was later in their lives that the California parents accused of torturing their 13 children began experimenting with different religions and started to “sow those wild oats†with bizarre sexual exploration, according to a family member.
In an interview on NBC's "Megyn Kelly Today," Teresa Robinette, described how her sister, Louise Anna Turpin, seemed to live an idyllic life with her husband, David Allen Turpin, at first in Texas and later in California, before it came to light that the couple had allegedly choked, tortured and starved their children.
She also described how many of her relatives, including Louise Turpin and herself, were sexually abused by a close family member.
Robinette, who has been in touch with detectives but has not yet spoken with her nieces and nephews, recalled how David Turpin appeared to have some wealth and kept the family in good homes and cars and kept season passes to Disneyland.
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article worth reading.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-louise-turpin-s-sister-said-sibling-experimented-n839806 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-louise-turpin-s-sister-said-sibling-experimented-n839806)
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The fact that these demons claimed that it was God who told them to have more children makes it even more infuriating.
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@austingirl
They had/have homes in Texas and in another state,too?
I can't follow this too much. I really,really,REALLY want to hurt those adults.
@sneakypete
I would like to volunteer to design the "parents'" punishment-they deserve the worst. They lived on 36 acres in Texas and left in 2010 leaving behind two cars filled with garbage, the house filled with dead dogs and garbage. Two Chihuahuas survived eating feces from dirty diapers.
On neighbor child tried to play with them and the Turpin children acted afraid and went inside. They had eight kids then and bought 8 new bicycles that they parked outside and were never used by the kids, just sat out in the sun getting sun-bleached.
I haven't heard if cadaver dogs found anything.
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California torture house: Louise Turpin’s sister said sibling experimented with religion, sex
by Kalhan Rosenblatt
It was later in their lives that the California parents accused of torturing their 13 children began experimenting with different religions and started to “sow those wild oats†with bizarre sexual exploration, according to a family member.
In an interview on NBC's "Megyn Kelly Today," Teresa Robinette, described how her sister, Louise Anna Turpin, seemed to live an idyllic life with her husband, David Allen Turpin, at first in Texas and later in California, before it came to light that the couple had allegedly choked, tortured and starved their children.
She also described how many of her relatives, including Louise Turpin and herself, were sexually abused by a close family member.
Robinette, who has been in touch with detectives but has not yet spoken with her nieces and nephews, recalled how David Turpin appeared to have some wealth and kept the family in good homes and cars and kept season passes to Disneyland.
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article worth reading.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-louise-turpin-s-sister-said-sibling-experimented-n839806 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-torture-house-louise-turpin-s-sister-said-sibling-experimented-n839806)
Even more disturbing details in that article. **nononono*
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@sneakypete
I would like to volunteer to design the "parents'" punishment-they deserve the worst. They lived on 36 acres in Texas and left in 2010 leaving behind two cars filled with garbage, the house filled with dead dogs and garbage. Two Chihuahuas survived eating feces from dirty diapers.
On neighbor child tried to play with them and the Turpin children acted afraid and went inside. They had eight kids then and bought 8 new bicycles that they parked outside and were never used by the kids, just sat out in the sun getting sun-bleached.
I haven't heard if cadaver dogs found anything.
Again raising the question...... why weren't they reported for any of that? Dead dogs?? How many laws does that violate? The neighbors?? Why didn't they report that the children were afraid to be out to authorities?
I don't understand the apathy that allows people to notice that something's wrong and do absolutely nothing about it. :shrug:
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Again raising the question...... why weren't they reported for any of that? Dead dogs?? How many laws does that violate? The neighbors?? Why didn't they report that the children were afraid to be out to authorities?
I don't understand the apathy that allows people to notice that something's wrong and do absolutely nothing about it. :shrug:
@musiclady
From what I read, after the Turpins left Texas, their property and cars were repossessed and those horrible things found. They were rather isolated on 36 acres and the neighbors hesitated to confront the "father" because he practiced his shooting in the front yard. They knew he was armed.
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Based on the current age of the mother , I have to wonder if some of the younger children are not hers, but are from the father with one or several of the girls.
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Based on the current age of the mother , I have to wonder if some of the younger children are not hers, but are from the father with one or several of the girls.
I read mom wanted another baby and was trying to get pregnant again. She also was applying to reality tv shows - she wanted to be the next Jon and Kate plus 8 apparently.
I think she may have been a few fries short of a happy meal.
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Based on the current age of the mother , I have to wonder if some of the younger children are not hers, but are from the father with one or several of the girls.
I saw a pic of her yesterday, looking about the same as now and very preggers. So, maybe so.
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Does anyone know how old she was when they married and she had her first child?
If she was in her teens, maybe she could have children 26 years apart, but I would be at all surprised to find out the youngest ones are the result of incest.
We clearly can't understand these monsters based on normal behavior.....
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@musiclady
From what I read, after the Turpins left Texas, their property and cars were repossessed and those horrible things found. They were rather isolated on 36 acres and the neighbors hesitated to confront the "father" because he practiced his shooting in the front yard. They knew he was armed.
Thanks for that info @austingirl . That explains the TX thing a little better.
I still can't understand why relatives and neighbors didn't report them. Ever.
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Thanks for that info @austingirl . That explains the TX thing a little better.
I still can't understand why relatives and neighbors didn't report them. Ever.
@musiclady
The simpliest,and most likely,answer is that they didn't invite people over and were hostile when uninvited guests showed up. People with a lot to hide don't let people in their houses,not even relatives.
And I seriously doubt they had ANY friends. Ever. Just people they happened to be related to,and people that asshat with the Moe wig worked with.
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@musiclady
The simpliest,and most likely,answer is that they didn't invite people over and were hostile when uninvited guests showed up. People with a lot to hide don't let people in their houses,not even relatives.
And I seriously doubt they had ANY friends. Ever. Just people they happened to be related to,and people that asshat with the Moe wig worked with.
Hermits that sit home alone, minding their own business and harming nobody, don't let people into their houses, not even relatives.
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Article states mom wanted to be on reality TV.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/perris-parents-reality-tv-aspirations/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/perris-parents-reality-tv-aspirations/)
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Article states mom wanted to be on reality TV.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/perris-parents-reality-tv-aspirations/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/perris-parents-reality-tv-aspirations/)
Wanting to be on "reality TV" is the sure mark of a loony-toons.
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Article states mom wanted to be on reality TV.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/perris-parents-reality-tv-aspirations/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/01/22/perris-parents-reality-tv-aspirations/)
@Freya
Lots of people say they want lots of things,but never make any effort to make it happen. Even being crazy it wouldn't have taken her long to figure out she would be going to prison if she opened her doors.
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Wanting to be on "reality TV" is the sure mark of a loony-toons.
Spittin' out kids year after year after year after year on the say-so of "God's will" is the mark of a loony-toon. Getting a reality show to help pay for that quiverfull is actually somewhat rational.
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Article states mom wanted to be on reality TV.
Wanted to share their version of "Duggar Family Values"
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Spittin' out kids year after year after year after year on the say-so of "God's will" is the mark of a loony-toon. Getting a reality show to help pay for that quiverfull is actually somewhat rational.
It is a carryover from pioneer times, when you had to have 8 in order for 4 to survive from childhood disease..
And to have enough to help with farm work, and later to care for elders.
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Spittin' out kids year after year after year after year on the say-so of "God's will" is the mark of a loony-toon. Getting a reality show to help pay for that quiverfull is actually somewhat rational.
As opposed to the millennials' "childfree" approach where having children is someone else's problem.
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@musiclady
Turpin "parents" back in court- authorities are asking for a protective order so that the parents are unable to be in touch with the children before the trial and perhaps influence their testimony. Great idea!
The older children are in a group home and the younger children in foster care. Several couples have offered to take in all 13 since they want to remain together- but that is in the future.
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As opposed to the millennials' "childfree" approach where having children is someone else's problem.
@jmyrlefuller
Or more precisely,"the children you have are someone else's problem."
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@musiclady
Turpin "parents" back in court- authorities are asking for a protective order so that the parents are unable to be in touch with the children before the trial and perhaps influence their testimony. Great idea!
The older children are in a group home and the younger children in foster care. Several couples have offered to take in all 13 since they want to remain together- but that is in the future.
@austingirl
My husband and I were just discussing this, and wondered how these dear children would ever be able to be kept together after this is all over.
It's amazing that there are people who are willing to take them in. God BLESS them!
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@austingirl
My husband and I were just discussing this, and wondered how these dear children would ever be able to be kept together after this is all over.
It's amazing that there are people who are willing to take them in. God BLESS them!
That would be great if they could be kept together. But on the other hand, I have to wonder if that might help or impede their emotional recovery in the short term.
I say this based on the pictures of them all dressed alike, all having identical haircuts, not being allowed to interact or play with other children or go to school, etc. (and God only knows what else if they were sexually abused). It would seem that they were so controlled and abused that they weren’t perhaps able to develop their own individual personalities.
On the other hand, a sudden separation might be additionally traumatizing to them.
It might also be very challenging for a couple to take all of them in together, especially given the age ranges - from 29 years old to 2 years old.
But certainly they shouldn’t be completely separated from one another as I imagine they likely depended on each other for the only emotional support and love and care they received, some ever and many for a very long time.
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That would be great if they could be kept together. But on the other hand, I have to wonder if that might help or impede their emotional recovery in the short term.
I say this based on the pictures of them all dressed alike, all having identical haircuts, not being allowed to interact or play with other children or go to school, etc. (and God only knows what else if they were sexually abused). It would seem that they were so controlled and abused that they weren’t perhaps able to develop their own individual personalities.
On the other hand, a sudden separation might be additionally traumatizing to them.
It might also be very challenging for a couple to take all of them in together, especially given the age ranges - from 29 years old to 2 years old.
But certainly they shouldn’t be completely separated from one another as I imagine they likely depended on each other for the only emotional support and love and care they received, some ever and many for a very long time.
It's going to take some super skilled parenting to work through all the garbage these kids have had to deal with. I would think that one of the first steps would be to start separating them since, as you've said, they've been so controlled and forced to be the same as each other.
I don't know much about counseling, but I would imaging that helping them think and feel as individuals would be a daunting task.
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It's going to take some super skilled parenting to work through all the garbage these kids have had to deal with. I would think that one of the first steps would be to start separating them since, as you've said, they've been so controlled and forced to be the same as each other.
I don't know much about counseling, but I would imaging that helping them think and feel as individuals would be a daunting task.
I would think getting them physically healthy and feeling safe would be the first steps. Then see how it goes.
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I would think getting them physically healthy and feeling safe would be the first steps. Then see how it goes.
I would imagine that, in and of itself, would take a very, very long time.....
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I would think getting them physically healthy and feeling safe would be the first steps. Then see how it goes.
I doubt physically healthy is an option for the older children. The damage has been done.
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I doubt physically healthy is an option for the older children. The damage has been done.
Sure it is. People have been subjected to long periods of time with little food throughout history. They frequently recover and are able to live healthily.
Now, the older ones will probably always be tiny, height-wise, but they can become healthy.
The state of their minds and souls is the bigger question.
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That would be great if they could be kept together. But on the other hand, I have to wonder if that might help or impede their emotional recovery in the short term.
I say this based on the pictures of them all dressed alike, all having identical haircuts, not being allowed to interact or play with other children or go to school, etc. (and God only knows what else if they were sexually abused). It would seem that they were so controlled and abused that they weren’t perhaps able to develop their own individual personalities.
On the other hand, a sudden separation might be additionally traumatizing to them.
It might also be very challenging for a couple to take all of them in together, especially given the age ranges - from 29 years old to 2 years old.
But certainly they shouldn’t be completely separated from one another as I imagine they likely depended on each other for the only emotional support and love and care they received, some ever and many for a very long time.
@Neverdul
It's going to delicate work to do the right thing for these children psychologically. Of course, they should stay bonded, but need to develop their individuality as well. I pray for their recovery.
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That would be great if they could be kept together. But on the other hand, I have to wonder if that might help or impede their emotional recovery in the short term.
I say this based on the pictures of them all dressed alike, all having identical haircuts, not being allowed to interact or play with other children or go to school, etc. (and God only knows what else if they were sexually abused). It would seem that they were so controlled and abused that they weren’t perhaps able to develop their own individual personalities.
On the other hand, a sudden separation might be additionally traumatizing to them.
It might also be very challenging for a couple to take all of them in together, especially given the age ranges - from 29 years old to 2 years old.
But certainly they shouldn’t be completely separated from one another as I imagine they likely depended on each other for the only emotional support and love and care they received, some ever and many for a very long time.
@Neverdul These kids are going to need a serious amount of counseling. I do have to wonder how they are able to keep those 18 and over in the foster system. Would they become wards of "Child and family services" or whatever version Washington state has of that.
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New info- Turpin "father" was still employed by Northup Grumann and was about to be transferred to Oklahoma. Hard to believe this man was employed.
"The 13 siblings rescued from the California house of horrors will not live together again, despite pleading with the authorities to stay as a family.
The six Turpin children among the 13 found shackled at their home in Perris have been told that they will be split up into two foster homes.
Meanwhile the seven adults, who have developmental issues, will be sent to an assisted living facility, CBS News reported."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5305679/House-Horrors-children-not-allowed-live-together.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5305679/House-Horrors-children-not-allowed-live-together.html)
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One of the mother's sisters is a bit weird too. She lived with them for awhile and said she saw no abuse but that "'If I went to get in the shower, he would come in while I was in there and watch me.
'It was like a joke. He never touched me or anything.'
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I just came back from the supermarket. Guess what the cover story is on People this week and all the other tabeloids? Even the stranger ones?
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I just came back from the supermarket. Guess what the cover story is on People this week and all the other tabeloids? Even the stranger ones?
Ugh. Not sure I want to know. But, I'm going to guess it involves Melania Trump.
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Ugh. Not sure I want to know. But, I'm going to guess it involves Melania Trump.
I would imagine it's this story here. A lot of human interest in it that appeals to people in check-out lines.
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I would imagine it's this story here. A lot of human interest in it that appeals to people in check-out lines.
This story here.
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This story here.
Yeah, I got that when I realized which topic I was in. 888blushing8888