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Title: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 02:52:10 pm
President Donald Trump said he is “all in favor” of requiring background checks for gun purchases during a Wednesday press pool on the White House lawn.

His comments came following three shootings across the country in a week. A shooting in Gilroy, California, on July 28 killed three and injured at least 13; a shooting in El Paso, Texas, killed 22 and injured 26 on Aug. 4; and a shooting in Dayton, Ohio, killed nine and injured at least 26.

“I’m looking to do background checks. I think background checks are important. I don’t want to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people or people with rage or hate — sick people. I’m all in favor of it,” Trump told reporters. (RELATED: Background Checks Are Required To Buy Ammunition In California)

“There’s a great appetite — and I mean a very strong appetite — for background checks, and I think we can bring up background checks like we’ve never had before. I think both Republicans and Democrats are getting close to a bill. They’re doing something on background checks.”

https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/07/trump-background-checks-guns/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: thackney on August 07, 2019, 03:24:34 pm
“I’m looking to do background checks. I think background checks are important. I don’t want to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people or people with rage or hate — sick people. I’m all in favor of it,” Trump told reporters.

Background checks are already required for a gun store owner.  They don't prevent people with rage or hate from owning guns.

Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: oldno7 on August 07, 2019, 03:55:17 pm
Will be waiting to see how this is enforced in Oakland, Chicago, Boston, etc

I'm sure it will be on the news.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 03:57:34 pm
Background checks are already required for a gun store owner.  They don't prevent people with rage or hate from owning guns.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: musiclady on August 07, 2019, 04:09:14 pm
 Question: I haven’t read anything yet.  Did either of the murderers get their guns legally? And were background checks done on them?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: verga on August 07, 2019, 04:17:11 pm
BKMK
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Applewood on August 07, 2019, 04:18:09 pm
Will be waiting to see how this is enforced in Oakland, Chicago, Boston, etc

I'm sure it will be on the news.

There's a guy up the street from me who will sell me any piece I want.  No background checks, none of the paperwork.  Just bring the cash.  It is from people like him that the gangbangers in major cities like Chicago get their firearms.  I don't care what kind of gun control these bums in DC come up with -- if anyone really wants a firearm to use for nefarious purposes, he will be able to get it.  The only thing these expanded restrictions might do is discourage the guy who wants a firearm to protect himself and his family. 
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Applewood on August 07, 2019, 04:24:49 pm
Question: I haven’t read anything yet.  Did either of the murderers get their guns legally? And were background checks done on them?

I believe at least the El Paso shooter obtained his firearms legally. But here's the thing -- if he shooter did not have any kind of criminal record or if there was nothing in any record that would raise a red flag, then the sale was legit.  Both shooters apparently had some problems mentally and those problems were noticed by those associated with them.  But if nothing was recorded -- if they were never arrested or committed to a mental health facility, for example, how is a firearms seller supposed to know that he should not be selling weapons to this guy? 
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Jazzhead on August 07, 2019, 04:29:32 pm
Background checks are already required for a gun store owner.  They don't prevent people with rage or hate from owning guns.

But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.   For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

There's no truer cliché than the perfect being the enemy of the good.   As things stand,  extremist intransigence has the potential to lead to a backlash that will propel a Democrat to the White House and a SCOTUS majority that will overturn Heller.

Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.     
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: thackney on August 07, 2019, 04:45:08 pm
But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.   For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

I am not as set against the concept as I am against something like an "Assault Weapon" Ban.

My biggest problem with the red flag is it doesn't solve any problem.  The same guy who decides to kill strangers with a gun can drive a Buick through the kids soccer game.  The decision to kill others isn't dependent on the gun.  No, I don't want the crazy to have fire arms.  But I also don't want the same crazy driving on the road, buying pressure cookers and propane, etc.

There's no truer cliché than the perfect being the enemy of the good.   As things stand,  extremist intransigence has the potential to lead to a backlash that will propel a Democrat to the White House and a SCOTUS majority that will overturn Heller.

Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.

I think nothing is sadder than expressing outrage demanding politicians "Do Something" while not actually understanding the problem and doing something that actually makes a difference.

My biggest problem with the Red-Flag is the abuse that is certainly to follow.  The crazy ex-wife that will do anything to cause problems for her husband in the custody battle.  The crazy ex-boyfriend stalking the girl and taking away her defence from him.  I would need to understand how it will be real evidence and not made-up claims.  And I would want to understand the appeals process before I could support it.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 05:18:11 pm
But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.

And who exactly determines who is crazy or not?  And how do we know their definition is correct or unbiased?   



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For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

"...shall not be infringed"

Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 07, 2019, 05:43:04 pm
Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.     

You're gonna find out that those 'extremists' are pretty well everybody in every red state, all the way across flyover country.

Bad move.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: musiclady on August 07, 2019, 05:55:07 pm
I believe at least the El Paso shooter obtained his firearms legally. But here's the thing -- if he shooter did not have any kind of criminal record or if there was nothing in any record that would raise a red flag, then the sale was legit.  Both shooters apparently had some problems mentally and those problems were noticed by those associated with them.  But if nothing was recorded -- if they were never arrested or committed to a mental health facility, for example, how is a firearms seller supposed to know that he should not be selling weapons to this guy?

Exactly.

The Dayton killer was so clearly dangerous, but NOTHING was done about it.

He even got reinstated in school after he had rape/kill/skin them lists.

How exactly is red flagging or anything else going to stop a maniac like that guy?

More laws won’t stop any of this horror.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 05:58:01 pm
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/08/07/helpful-david-frum-shows-why-red-flag-laws-are-a-huge-mistake-by-asking-why-these-photos-of-people-carrying-guns-arent-red-flags/


Exhibit A of why Red Flag laws are a bad idea.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 07, 2019, 06:03:51 pm
Exhibit A of why Red Flag laws are a bad idea.

LOL! Any of them folks in the pics could be my neighbors.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Bigun on August 07, 2019, 06:04:54 pm
Exactly.

The Dayton killer was so clearly dangerous, but NOTHING was done about it.

He even got reinstated in school after he had rape/kill/skin them lists.

How exactly is red flagging or anything else going to stop a maniac like that guy?

More laws won’t stop any of this horror.

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Jason Chaffetz: To stop more shootings, stop erasing criminal records of juveniles prone to violence

He's right!
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 06:06:23 pm
LOL! Any of them folks in the pics could be my neighbors.

 :beer:

Same here if I'm back home in Kentucky or visiting friends in Texas.  But Liberals like Frum...and rest assured he's not alone...see the people in those pictures as candidates for Red Flag laws.

And that is why we can't trust that the laws will be used in a non biased way...ever.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 07, 2019, 06:09:40 pm
Same here if I'm back home in Kentucky or visiting friends in Texas.  But Liberals like Frum...and rest assured he's not alone...see the people in those pictures as candidates for Red Flag laws.

And that is why we can't trust that the laws will be used in a non biased way...ever.

Yeah, I knew that when I learned that LEOs were trained to treat anyone with Rebel flag or Gadsen flag stickers on their trucks as terrorists... That's anyway half the pickups in this state.

BTW, Local LEOs put that training right where it belonged.... in the circular file.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 06:13:08 pm
Yeah, I knew that when I learned that LEOs were trained to treat anyone with Rebel flag or Gadsen flag stickers on their trucks as terrorists... That's anyway half the pickups in this state.

I still remember that DHS secretary Janet Napolitano labeled Iraq and Afghanistan vets like myself as homegrown terrorists.

I guess I'll be automatically on the list for being red flagged

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BTW, Local LEOs put that training right where it belonged.... in the circular file.

Same here in Colorado.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: musiclady on August 07, 2019, 06:41:45 pm
He's right!

He is indeed!
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: mountaineer on August 07, 2019, 07:12:45 pm
But here's the thing -- if he shooter did not have any kind of criminal record or if there was nothing in any record that would raise a red flag, then the sale was legit.  Both shooters apparently had some problems mentally and those problems were noticed by those associated with them.  But if nothing was recorded -- if they were never arrested or committed to a mental health facility, for example, how is a firearms seller supposed to know that he should not be selling weapons to this guy?
Exactly. They want gun dealers to be mind readers to discern exactly how the purchaser might use the weapon. Or better yet, just don't let anyone buy a gun. Problem solved!  :thud:
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 07, 2019, 07:24:05 pm
Dear all:  if you cannot come up with some creative way of reducing gun violence; if your only response continues to be denial, then you will end up with the Second Amendment being repealed and all privately owned guns being seized by the federal government, through house-by-house search most likely, because one sure way to drastically reduce gun violence is to make sure there are no privately owned guns any more. 

If that is the result you want, so be it.  But you cannot day you weren’t warned.

This is just like the gay marriage issue, where conservatives simply denied, denied, denied, and refused to give any recognition whatsoever to gay couples; end result?  Gay marriage as such is now enshrined in the Constitution.

Now flame away.  It really doesn’t bother me in the least.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Jazzhead on August 07, 2019, 07:41:35 pm
Dear all:  if you cannot come up with some creative way of reducing gun violence; if your only response continues to be denial, then you will end up with the Second Amendment being repealed and all privately owned guns being seized by the federal government, through house-by-house search most likely, because one sure way to drastically reduce gun violence is to make sure there are no privately owned guns any more. 

If that is the result you want, so be it.  But you cannot day you weren’t warned.

This is just like the gay marriage issue, where conservatives simply denied, denied, denied, and refused to give any recognition whatsoever to gay couples; end result?  Gay marriage as such is now enshrined in the Constitution.

Now flame away.  It really doesn’t bother me in the least.

Sage advice.   But it won't be taken.   

I think conservatives have a death wish.  So be it.   I have no confidence whatsoever that the GOP will prevail next year;  indeed,  I believe we will lose both the Presidency and Congress.  And with it, the courts and the Second Amendment.    There's nothing to be done.   Folks won't listen, folks are incapable of thinking tactically. 
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: mountaineer on August 07, 2019, 07:49:26 pm
 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: berdie on August 07, 2019, 08:05:13 pm
Exactly. They want gun dealers to be mind readers to discern exactly how the purchaser might use the weapon. Or better yet, just don't let anyone buy a gun. Problem solved!  :thud:



If I remember correctly...the fruitcake that shot up the south Texas church had military records that indicated he was a fruitcake. But they weren't turned over to the registry. How in the devil is a gun dealer supposed to know ...given the lack of criteria?

You are right. They will drive gun dealers out of business out of fear.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 09:26:21 pm
Sage advice.   But it won't be taken.   

I think conservatives have a death wish.  So be it.   I have no confidence whatsoever that the GOP will prevail next year;  indeed,  I believe we will lose both the Presidency and Congress.  And with it, the courts and the Second Amendment.    There's nothing to be done.   Folks won't listen, folks are incapable of thinking tactically.

You've been so tragically wrong on so many things here before...I feel safe in saying you can add this to the list of failed predictions you've made.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 07, 2019, 09:34:27 pm
"Background checks like we never had before" should worry all of us gun owners who have passed the current background checks. What next, a list of medicines you take, tagging occupations subject to PTSD?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 07, 2019, 09:43:23 pm
"Background checks like we never had before" should worry all of us gun owners who have passed the current background checks. What next, a list of medicines you take, tagging occupations subject to PTSD?

@NavyCanDo what's next will be whatever the anti-gun folks decide constitutes the need of a Red Flag ERPO. 

And that list will grow and grow and grow.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: catfish1957 on August 07, 2019, 09:47:00 pm
Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in.....

Imagine that.......
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Absalom on August 07, 2019, 09:56:41 pm
Exactly.
The Dayton killer was so clearly dangerous, but NOTHING was done about it.
He even got reinstated in school after he had rape/kill/skin them lists.
How exactly is red flagging or anything else going to stop a maniac like that guy?
More laws won’t stop any of this horror.
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A culture/society has a moral order it adheres to or it doesn't.
Laws, beloved by the bureaucratic mind, cannot replace attitude and behavior.

Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: LMAO on August 07, 2019, 10:11:33 pm
But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.   For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

There's no truer cliché than the perfect being the enemy of the good.   As things stand,  extremist intransigence has the potential to lead to a backlash that will propel a Democrat to the White House and a SCOTUS majority that will overturn Heller.

Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.     

Calling those who simply have concerns and disagreements “extremist”
seems very intellectually flabby

 I have read some of the concerns people have over the  red flag laws and I consider them legitimate

I will withhold judgment until something is proposed and I can read it for myself, of course.  But bureaucrats are not enlightened beings that come from far away planets with the desire only to serve their fellow man. They are people with drives, ambitions, and agendas just like everybody else.
 The potential for not only abuses  but to create a whole set of new problems is real
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: mountaineer on August 07, 2019, 10:16:02 pm
"Background checks like we never had before" should worry all of us gun owners who have passed the current background checks. What next, a list of medicines you take, tagging occupations subject to PTSD?
That's exactly what it means. As I commented on Twitter, for many with chronic pain, it's almost impossible to get to sleep at night, so doctors frequently prescribe a mild anti-depressant. OMG, you're taking anti-depressants, you must be mentally unbalanced, suicidal and possibly homicidal!! Turn over your guns!!
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Fishrrman on August 07, 2019, 10:26:33 pm
catfish wrote:
"Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in....."

I'm a Trump fan, and I'll chime in.

What to do about shootings like those in El Paso and Dayton??

Nothing.
That's right... nothing.

When they happen, all there is to do is:
- Pray for the dead and give them respectful burial;
- Care for the wounded as best we can;
- Prosecute the shooter if still alive to the fullest extent possible (doesn't mean much, because they usually end up dead as well).
- And then... thank God and our founders for the freedoms we have, but...
- Realize that those freedoms "come with a grim cost and burden" as well -- that every now and then, we will have to "pay the price for them", in blood.
And then...
- Ring up the "cash register" and get on with life.

That's it, folks.
Short of giving up our Second Amendment rights (after which the rights and freedoms of the First Amendment may soon follow), there's not much more to be done.

We either accept "the price" for our freedoms,
or
We lose them.

I've made "my choice".
What's yours...?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Axeslinger on August 07, 2019, 10:31:51 pm
@Fishrrman
Excellent comment

But ultimately that’s not the question...

The question is what will you do when they take away that right by fiat.

That is the question

What choice will you make then?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Fishrrman on August 07, 2019, 10:38:20 pm
axeslinger asks:
"The question is what will you do when they take away that right by fiat.
That is the question
What choice will you make then?"


Go to this page:
https://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/133469/The_Turner_Diaries.pdf (https://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/133469/The_Turner_Diaries.pdf)
... and read the comment beneath the book graphic.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Applewood on August 07, 2019, 10:38:49 pm
Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in.....

Imagine that.......

They are waiting for the latest official reason (excuse) for why Trump has once again betrayed them (or is about to). 
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: corbe on August 07, 2019, 10:42:01 pm
(https://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ivanka-trump-signing-ceremony-for-s.-756-in-washington-12-21-2018-1.jpg)

  I still don't like her perfume
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 01:49:23 am
Dear all:  if you cannot come up with some creative way of reducing gun violence; if your only response continues to be denial, then you will end up with the Second Amendment being repealed and all privately owned guns being seized by the federal government, through house-by-house search most likely, because one sure way to drastically reduce gun violence is to make sure there are no privately owned guns any more. 

If that is the result you want, so be it.  But you cannot day you weren’t warned.

This is just like the gay marriage issue, where conservatives simply denied, denied, denied, and refused to give any recognition whatsoever to gay couples; end result?  Gay marriage as such is now enshrined in the Constitution.

Now flame away.  It really doesn’t bother me in the least.
Where in the Constitution is gay marriage enshrined? I didn't see it in my copy anywhere.

As for coming and getting them, I can only say that will be the end of the Republic.

Keep in mind the people pushing for the big Race War (they just have not been able to get) see this as the way to create universal bloodshed in the US. They see that (as all crises, real or trumped up) as opportunity.
There are 80,000,000 American gun owners. if even 1 in 100 (for people who have trouble with percentages, that's 1%), some 800,000 Americans, resist in a meaningful way, there will be a real slaughter, not a body count smaller than medical mistakes or car wrecks on any given day, or even whackos shooting up areas where people are told they can't carry the means of defending themselves..
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 01:53:07 am
catfish wrote:
"Well in the 2nd page, and no Trump fans chiming in....."

I'm a Trump fan, and I'll chime in.

What to do about shootings like those in El Paso and Dayton??

Nothing.
That's right... nothing.

When they happen, all there is to do is:
- Pray for the dead and give them respectful burial;
- Care for the wounded as best we can;
- Prosecute the shooter if still alive to the fullest extent possible (doesn't mean much, because they usually end up dead as well).
- And then... thank God and our founders for the freedoms we have, but...
- Realize that those freedoms "come with a grim cost and burden" as well -- that every now and then, we will have to "pay the price for them", in blood.
And then...
- Ring up the "cash register" and get on with life.

That's it, folks.
Short of giving up our Second Amendment rights (after which the rights and freedoms of the First Amendment may soon follow), there's not much more to be done.

We either accept "the price" for our freedoms,
or
We lose them.

I've made "my choice".
What's yours...?

Consider the millions of Americans who have given up their lives in defense of the Constituion and our Rights, and weigh their sacrifice against the number of people killed in the current incidents.

Will we ignore the sacrifices of millions over an emotional reaction to the unfortunate deaths of a relative handful?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 08, 2019, 01:55:39 am
Dear all:  if you cannot come up with some creative way of reducing gun violence; if your only response continues to be denial, then you will end up with the Second Amendment being repealed and all privately owned guns being seized by the federal government, through house-by-house search most likely, because one sure way to drastically reduce gun violence is to make sure there are no privately owned guns any more. 

NOTHING will protect gun-free zones in liberal cities. NOTHING.
They don't have a gun problem. They have a strategic defense problem of the highest order, compounded by fantastical thinking.
And that is their own fault.

Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 08, 2019, 02:01:27 am
Where in the Constitution is gay marriage enshrined? I didn't see it in my copy anywhere.

As for coming and getting them, I can only say that will be the end of the Republic.

Keep in mind the people pushing for the big Race War (they just have not been able to get) see this as the way to create universal bloodshed in the US. They see that (as all crises, real or trumped up) as opportunity.
There are 80,000,000 American gun owners. if even 1 in 100 (for people who have trouble with percentages, that's 1%), some 800,000 Americans, resist in a meaningful way, there will be a real slaughter, not a body count smaller than medical mistakes or car wrecks on any given day, or even whackos shooting up areas where people are told they can't carry the means of defending themselves..

Unfortunately, Art IV, Sect 1

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 08, 2019, 02:02:04 am
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But you won't support red flag laws either, which are specifically focused on a very small subset of gun owners.   For every proposal,  the reaction of the gun extremists is "no".

@Jazzhead

Ok,Bubba.You know so much about all this stuff,how about tell us how many guns you have,and what you had to do to buy and possess them?

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There's no truer cliché than the perfect being the enemy of the good.

Sure there is. It is "The scariest words you will ever hear someone say are "I am from the government and I am here to help you."

 
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As things stand,  extremist intransigence has the potential to lead to a backlash that will propel a Democrat to the White House and a SCOTUS majority that will overturn Heller.

Which would cause you to have a spontaneous orgasm.

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Kudos to President Trump for bucking the extremists and listening to the larger community - including the community of responsible gun owners.   



If he agrees with you on gun laws,he will lost MY vote.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 08, 2019, 02:07:21 am
And who exactly determines who is crazy or not?  And how do we know their definition is correct or unbiased?   


@txradioguy

I have NO problem with a law barring Dims from owning or possessing firearms.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 02:09:51 am
Unfortunately, Art IV, Sect 1

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 08, 2019, 02:10:40 am
You're gonna find out that those 'extremists' are pretty well everybody in every red state, all the way across flyover country.

Bad move.
@roamer_1

No kidding. WHY the hell should any of us vote for him in 2020 if all we are going to get is more of the same,with the Party People telling us we "have to show our support for the president.

How about a president that will show his support for us?

Neither Lady Lindsey nor Ted Cruz can be trusted to do anything other than play politics,and they are best of the bunch.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 08, 2019, 02:15:29 am
@roamer_1

No kidding. WHY the hell should any of us vote for him in 2020 if all we are going to get is more of the same,with the Party People telling us we "have to show our support for the president.

How about a president that will show his support for us?

Neither Lady Lindsey nor Ted Cruz can be trusted to do anything other than play politics,and they are best of the bunch.

@sneakypete
I told you a long time ago:
Left foot, right foot, shuffling toward Gomorrah.
And I mean it.
I don't trust anyone in government, and never have.
That used to be a universal conservative attribute.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 02:19:03 am
@sneakypete
I told you a long time ago:
Left foot, right foot, shuffling toward Gomorrah.
And I mean it.
I don't trust anyone in government, and never have.
That used to be a universal conservative attribute.
Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty.

Complacency when "our guys" are in power has proven to be a mistake.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 08, 2019, 02:22:20 am
Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty.

Complacency when "our guys" are in power has proven to be a mistake.

That's right.

That there are people here, supposedly conservative people, advocating for red flag laws and real capitulation on R2KBA should tell you something too.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 08, 2019, 02:23:27 am
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?

Yeah... Funny how that works, ain't it?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 02:30:39 am
That's right.

That there are people here, supposedly conservative people, advocating for red flag laws and real capitulation on R2KBA should tell you something too.
Either they never were Conservative, or they have succumbed to the howling of the press advocating the destruction of our republic.

Perhaps they want a civil war, or seek disarmament and the subjugation of Americans.

Maybe they just want to keep the blood mist in the air to hide that the FBI helped Hillary destroy evidence of wrongdoing (something I had anticipated during the whole Russia circus), with the hopes of damaging the RKBA in an administration that has already shown itself weak by banning a type of gunstock.

I seriously offer prayers for and condolences to the victims and survivors of these incidents, but I'm not willing to let our rights be washed away with their blood, and if any of them had been in the US military, or otherwise sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the US I doubt the victims would be either.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 08, 2019, 02:46:11 am
Either they never were Conservative, or they have succumbed to the howling of the press advocating the destruction of our republic.

I dunno. What I do know is that there is a vast difference. And that people don't seem to believe me when I say I can see no difference between that type and Democrats. I really do mean it...
And this issue highlights that difference perfectly.

Quote
I seriously offer prayers for and condolences to the victims and survivors of these incidents, but I'm not willing to let our rights be washed away with their blood, and if any of them had been in the US military, or otherwise sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the US I doubt the victims would be either.

That's right.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 08, 2019, 03:08:08 am
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?

Setting aside the question of why having to get a permit does not violate "shall not be infringed" in the first place, because it's a permit to carry in ND issued by ND, just like my FL fishing license is for fishing in FL.  A marriage, or a "marriage", is a compact between (at least for now) two (at least for now) people, validated by the state, and that validation crosses state borders.  A permit to carry or fish is between the state and a citizen.   

The question I would ask is why my drivers license is accepted in, or can be revoked by, all other states -- unless there's some legislation I'm not aware of that says so.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 04:48:39 am
Setting aside the question of why having to get a permit does not violate "shall not be infringed" in the first place, because it's a permit to carry in ND issued by ND, just like my FL fishing license is for fishing in FL.  A marriage, or a "marriage", is a compact between (at least for now) two (at least for now) people, validated by the state, and that validation crosses state borders.  A permit to carry or fish is between the state and a citizen.   

The question I would ask is why my drivers license is accepted in, or can be revoked by, all other states -- unless there's some legislation I'm not aware of that says so.
Phooey. A license is a license is a license. I'm not talking about hunting or fishing, nor taking anything from New York but my healthy and unmolested self, with the property that is mine, of course.

If I am licensed to carry concealed weapons (yes, plural, mine is not limited to a firearm but a long list of dangerous weapons as well), that indicates that I have been subjected to a State and Federal Background check, and received approval to carry deadly weapons on my person from people who actually know me.

In other words, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. only applies sometimes, when judges find it convenient.

Where does that leave the rest of the Constitution?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 08, 2019, 08:25:00 am
Phooey. A license is a license is a license. I'm not talking about hunting or fishing, nor taking anything from New York but my healthy and unmolested self, with the property that is mine, of course.

If I am licensed to carry concealed weapons (yes, plural, mine is not limited to a firearm but a long list of dangerous weapons as well), that indicates that I have been subjected to a State and Federal Background check, and received approval to carry deadly weapons on my person from people who actually know me.

In other words, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. only applies sometimes, when judges find it convenient.

Where does that leave the rest of the Constitution?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 08, 2019, 08:52:02 am
Phooey. A license is a license is a license. I'm not talking about hunting or fishing, nor taking anything from New York but my healthy and unmolested self, with the property that is mine, of course.

If I am licensed to carry concealed weapons (yes, plural, mine is not limited to a firearm but a long list of dangerous weapons as well), that indicates that I have been subjected to a State and Federal Background check, and received approval to carry deadly weapons on my person from people who actually know me.

In other words, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. only applies sometimes, when judges find it convenient.

Where does that leave the rest of the Constitution?

You want a CCW to transfer across state lines, but not a "marriage" license?

A license is a license is a license

I believe in an originalist reading of our Constitution, even when I don't like the results.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 09:00:20 am
You want a CCW to transfer across state lines, but not a "marriage" license?

A license is a license is a license

I believe in an originalist reading of our Constitution, even when I don't like the results.
My point is that some licenses seem to be more equal than others. If my CCW isn't good, then their cohabitation license shouldn't be either. Marriage (Holy Matrimony) should be the provenance of the Church, imho, and government never should have intruded there. YMMV.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: verga on August 08, 2019, 12:10:16 pm
Then why is my North Dakota Concealed Weapons permit not recognized in New York?
Because all of the Dimmies running NYS are a bunch of corrupt lying sacs of cat Poop.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: verga on August 08, 2019, 02:42:13 pm
That's right.

That there are people here, supposedly conservative people, advocating for red flag laws and real capitulation on R2KBA should tell you something too.
Initially I thought they might not be too bad, then I saw how they could be abused, much like SWATTING.
Things like this can be used to easily modified and abused to inflict damage to "political" enemies.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: verga on August 08, 2019, 02:45:49 pm
Setting aside the question of why having to get a permit does not violate "shall not be infringed" in the first place, because it's a permit to carry in ND issued by ND, just like my FL fishing license is for fishing in FL.  A marriage, or a "marriage", is a compact between (at least for now) two (at least for now) people, validated by the state, and that validation crosses state borders.  A permit to carry or fish is between the state and a citizen.   

The question I would ask is why my drivers license is accepted in, or can be revoked by, all other states -- unless there's some legislation I'm not aware of that says so.
Personally I am opposed to states being involved in marriage at all. It should be up to a couple choice of a house of worship, or they can enter into a legally binding contract if they don't want a religious ceremony.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: roamer_1 on August 08, 2019, 02:49:14 pm
Initially I thought they might not be too bad, then I saw how they could be abused, much like SWATTING.
Things like this can be used to easily modified and abused to inflict damage to "political" enemies.

OH YEAH. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: thackney on August 08, 2019, 03:21:17 pm
Personally I am opposed to states being involved in marriage at all. It should be up to a couple choice of a house of worship, or they can enter into a legally binding contract if they don't want a religious ceremony.

I've talked to pastors who don't like being an "agent of the state" when it comes to marriage.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 08, 2019, 04:06:40 pm

Phooey. A license is a license is a license.


@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer

I agree. My "license" is the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. A license so important to the Founding Fathers it was Number 2 on their "To do List".
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 08, 2019, 04:09:25 pm
I've talked to pastors who don't like being an "agent of the state" when it comes to marriage.

@thackney

I am betting they all like it when they think about how much money they can put in their pockets at the end of the year because they are tax exempt.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 05:18:12 pm
@thackney

I am betting they all like it when they think about how much money they can put in their pockets at the end of the year because they are tax exempt.
You want to bet that judges don't put that honorarium in their pockets without bothering to claim it?
 :silly:

(They don't pay taxes on their building, either.)
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: thackney on August 08, 2019, 05:45:24 pm
@thackney

I am betting they all like it when they think about how much money they can put in their pockets at the end of the year because they are tax exempt.

Pastors pay taxes.  The church turns in W2 for them.  The tax exempt is only for the church, which is non-profit. 
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 05:49:35 pm
Pastors pay taxes.  The church turns in W2 for them.  The tax exempt is only for the church, which is non-profit.

Yabbut, taxes pay the judges and for the building. If you don't like that church, you don't have to chip in.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Absalom on August 08, 2019, 05:51:38 pm
Eternal Vigilance is the price of Liberty.

Complacency when "our guys" are in power has proven to be a mistake.
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
the era of Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, two centuries ago
and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 06:00:02 pm
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
the era of Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, two centuries ago
and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!
No argument here.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Bigun on August 08, 2019, 06:01:56 pm
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
the era of Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, two centuries ago
and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!

@Absalom

I beg to differ!  IF you had said since Calvin Coolidge you would have been more correct.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Jazzhead on August 08, 2019, 06:08:07 pm
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There hasn't been a Principled Conservative in the WH since
the era of Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, two centuries ago
and likely never will be again !!!
We have changed dramatically as a people and for the worse.
Cold, hard reality which only the delusional ignore!

So, adapt to the times.   Work with allies to make sure needed laws are less intrusive and respect your rights. 
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 08, 2019, 06:10:49 pm
So, adapt to the times.   Work with allies to make sure needed laws are less intrusive and respect your rights.
What allies?

Anyone who proposes to infringe upon my Rights is no ally.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Absalom on August 08, 2019, 06:59:55 pm
@Absalom
I beg to differ!  IF you had said since Calvin Coolidge you would have been more correct.
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Repeating, all are entitled to their opinions which I completely reject.
The GOP emerged in 1856 w/Fremont from California.
From it's very first days it had absolutely nothing to do w/Conservatism.
It was a political entity of the Northern Mercantile Class opposed to slavery.
It's early pillars, continuing all through its ascendancy from Lincoln to Hoover;
when it dominated the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS appointments, were:
* opposition to States Rights and advocacy of Centralized Government.
* strong support for trade Protectionism and rejection of Free Trade.
* Judicial advocacy in support of executive and legislative actions.
* Corporate taxation to replace duties, excises and tariffs.
Our only honorable conservative party was the Agrarian and Rural Democrats
of Rutledge, Henry, Lee, Madison among others; fatally tarred by slavery which
sadly led to it's demise.
Add to that, a handful from the Federalist Party, and that constitutes the
sum total of the conservative presence in our political history.



Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Bigun on August 08, 2019, 07:15:29 pm
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Repeating, all are entitled to their opinions which I completely reject.
The GOP emerged in 1856 w/Fremont from California.
From it's very first days it had absolutely nothing to do w/Conservatism.
It was a political entity of the Northern Mercantile Class opposed to slavery.
It's early pillars, continuing all through its ascendancy from Lincoln to Hoover;
when it dominated the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS appointments, were:
* opposition to States Rights and advocacy of Centralized Government.
* strong support for trade Protectionism and rejection of Free Trade.
* Judicial advocacy in support of executive and legislative actions.
* Corporate taxation to replace duties, excises and tariffs.
Our only honorable conservative party was the Agrarian and Rural Democrats
of Rutledge, Henry, Lee, Madison among others; fatally tarred by slavery which
sadly led to it's demise.
Add to that, a handful from the Federalist Party, and that constitutes the
sum total of the conservative presence in our political history.

I totally agree with almost all of that but that does not change the fact that Calvin Coolidge was, in fact, a conservative.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Absalom on August 08, 2019, 07:54:12 pm
I totally agree with almost all of that but that does not change the fact that Calvin Coolidge was, in fact, a conservative.
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I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: edpc on August 08, 2019, 08:06:47 pm
The question is what will you do when they take away that right by fiat.


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I’ll laugh, while they try to stuff everything of mine into that clown car, then shoot the tires out with an airgun.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: EdJames on August 08, 2019, 08:23:38 pm
@Absalom

I beg to differ!  IF you had said since Calvin Coolidge you would have been more correct.

Damn, I immediately thought of Coolidge when I was reading his post!!

 888high58888
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Bigun on August 08, 2019, 08:25:57 pm
Damn, I immediately thought of Coolidge when I was reading his post!!

 888high58888

Don't know why, but I knew you would!   wink777
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Elderberry on August 08, 2019, 11:03:48 pm
Will be waiting to see how this is enforced in Oakland, Chicago, Boston, etc

I'm sure it will be on the news.

How will it be enforced everywhere?

Say I sell one of my rifles to my hunting buddy Henry with no background check. How will the authorities know?  And years later Henry sells the same rifle to Jim. Jim wants to follow the law and a background check is done on the purchase. Will Henry now be nailed as he is not in the "Data Base" as having purchased the firearm that he is now selling? Is this leading to total firearm registration?
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 09, 2019, 01:26:09 am
Pastors pay taxes.  The church turns in W2 for them.  The tax exempt is only for the church, which is non-profit.

@thackney

And in many cases the pastor owns the church.

The Rev-Rund Al Sharpton didn't pay any taxes for years. Maybe even decades. I can't remember for sure. I do remember he was finally arrested for tax-dodging,and I THINK he beat the rap.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 09, 2019, 01:28:28 am

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I’ll laugh, while they try to stuff everything of mine into that clown car, then shoot the tires out with an airgun.

@edpc

I confess. One of my dirty little secrets is I have always wanted to own a mini or a Fiat 600.

I feel so dirty.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: thackney on August 09, 2019, 01:44:43 am
How will it be enforced everywhere?

Say I sell one of my rifles to my hunting buddy Henry with no background check. How will the authorities know?  And years later Henry sells the same rifle to Jim. Jim wants to follow the law and a background check is done on the purchase. Will Henry now be nailed as he is not in the "Data Base" as having purchased the firearm that he is now selling? Is this leading to total firearm registration?

Universal Background checks ONLY works with total registration of all guns. 

It does nothing to control stolen or illegal guns.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 09, 2019, 06:54:55 am
@edpc

I confess. One of my dirty little secrets is I have always wanted to own a mini or a Fiat 600.

I feel so dirty.
My father used to drive those little air cooled Fiats, at least until we got big enough we wouldn't all fit.

 About that time we were going down a mud road with dad at the wheel and three of us packed in there, on our way to some deer stands when dad slid off the road into the ditch. We all got out, picked up the car and put it back on the road, got in and proceeded...

THe next car was a '67 Rambler American, first I ever recall him buying new.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: mountaineer on August 09, 2019, 12:35:07 pm
My father had a Renault Dauphine. By the end, it was held together with Scotch tape. Like the Fiat, it could have been picked up by a couple of people.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: txradioguy on August 09, 2019, 12:38:39 pm
@edpc

I confess. One of my dirty little secrets is I have always wanted to own a mini or a Fiat 600.

I feel so dirty.

@sneakypete

I’ve got a Mini Countryman All4 S.  It’s a turbo charged gokart. Fun as hell to drive and lots of room.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: verga on August 09, 2019, 01:02:42 pm
CNN: Stronger Background Checks Would Not Have Stopped Latest Mass Shootings
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50423/cnn-stronger-background-checks-would-not-have-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro (https://www.dailywire.com/news/50423/cnn-stronger-background-checks-would-not-have-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro)

This has got to be killing them.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: edpc on August 09, 2019, 01:06:58 pm
CNN: Stronger Background Checks Would Not Have Stopped Latest Mass Shootings
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50423/cnn-stronger-background-checks-would-not-have-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro (https://www.dailywire.com/news/50423/cnn-stronger-background-checks-would-not-have-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro)

This has got to be killing them.


No, because they use that fact to buttress their argument for a ban of certain types, with the ultimate goal of repealing 2A.
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 09, 2019, 04:06:05 pm

No, because they use that fact to buttress their argument for a ban of certain types, with the ultimate goal of repealing 2A.
Bans won't work, either.

In fact, they are likely to make things even worse (nothing for the mentally deranged seeking that rush of "power" like a wide open herd of potential and unarmed victims).

In the absence of effective citizen resistance (a factor in selecting targets and standard M.O. for mass shooters) I would expect an increase in such incidents, not for any of them to stop.

Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: Jazzhead on August 09, 2019, 04:25:11 pm
Bans won't work, either.

In fact, they are likely to make things even worse (nothing for the mentally deranged seeking that rush of "power" like a wide open herd of potential and unarmed victims).

In the absence of effective citizen resistance (a factor in selecting targets and standard M.O. for mass shooters) I would expect an increase in such incidents, not for any of them to stop.

Here I agree with you, @Smokin Joe .  Bans on classes of semi-automatic firearms represent bad, feel-good policy and won't do a bit of good other than permit politicians to virtue-signal.   
Title: Re: Trump says he’s ‘all in favor’ of background checks for weapons
Post by: sneakypete on August 09, 2019, 04:52:02 pm

No, because they use that fact to buttress their argument for a ban of certain types, with the ultimate goal of repealing 2A.

@edpc

EXACTLY! It is the old "2 steps forward to communism,then one step back to look like we were reasonable and compromised" strategy the left uses so well.