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Russian GRU unit paid bounties to Afghan militants for killing U.S. troops
John SextonPosted at 6:41 pm on June 26, 2020
A Russian GRU unit connected to assassinations around the world, including the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the UK, also offered bounties to Afghan militants for killing U.S. troops. The NY Times reports that the information was gathered from captured Afghan soldiers and was presented to the White House a few months ago:
Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.
The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said…
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/06/26/russia-gru-unit-paid-bounties-afghan-militants-killing-u-s-troops/ (https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/06/26/russia-gru-unit-paid-bounties-afghan-militants-killing-u-s-troops/)
Trump Has Reportedly Known for Months That Russia Offered the Taliban Bounties to Kill US Soldiers in Afghanistan
By Reed RichardsonJun 26th, 2020, 5:49 pm
https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-has-reportedly-known-for-months-that-russia-offered-the-taliban-bounties-to-kill-us-soldiers-in-afghanistan/ (https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-has-reportedly-known-for-months-that-russia-offered-the-taliban-bounties-to-kill-us-soldiers-in-afghanistan/)
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Wait a second.
This article is alleging that Trump has known about Putin paying to slaughter American soldiers since March and that there has been no response from the Trump administration.
Not only that, since that time Trump has been vociferously advocating to allow Russia back into the G7. Even sent them respirators.
This story is being run by the WSJ, the NYT, Fox etc. I'm expecting the Trump Administration to vehemently, "very strongly and powerfully" deny this traitorous libel and I wonder what the hell is taking so long to do so. Where's the f---ing tweet about this?
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Wait a second.
This article is alleging that Trump has known about Putin paying to slaughter American soldiers since March and that there has been no response from the Trump administration.
Not only that, since that time Trump has been vociferously advocating to allow Russia back into the G7. Even sent them respirators.
This story is being run by the WSJ, the NYT, Fox etc. I'm expecting the Trump Administration to vehemently, "very strongly and powerfully" deny this traitorous libel and I wonder what the hell is taking so long to do so. Where's the f---ing tweet about this?
Possibilities:
1) he's waiting for Putin to tell him what to say
2) he's waiting for Hannity or Ingrahm to tell him what to say
3) he's waiting for Javanka to tell him what to say
4) he won't say anything about it but will instead remind us how his not playing golf in NJ this weekend is keeping Merica safe
5) he will eventually respond by calling it "FAKE NEWS!"
6) all of the above
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Well, the origin of this piece is the New York Times which in Trump's world, automatically makes it fake news.
But whether this is for real or not, or whether Trump knew about it or not -- some people here think Putin and Russia are our friends. Russia may no longer be communist, but it is not our friend. I believe Russia still has ambitions of destroying America and becoming the one and only superpower. It might be the origin or one of the origins of so much communist teaching in our schools and the rise of various anti-American groups that are trying to bring this country down.
And Trump cozying up to Putin, Kim in North Korea and others has always made me uneasy. Trump supporters tell me all this fawning is a negotiation tactic. I'm not so sure about that.
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Well. Trump just tweeted about his amazing, boffo television ratings from his Hannity interview!
**nononono* :yowsa:
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Well. Trump just tweeted about his amazing, boffo television ratings from his Hannity interview!
**nononono* :yowsa:
I forgot one:
7) my TV ratings are very good.
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I forgot one:
7) my TV ratings are very good.
Need televised hearings to get to the bottom of this. They would bring tremendous ratings.
"Get me Trey Gowdy!"
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Wow, @FeelNoPain, you know nothing has been said to Russia? You must be a Trump Administration uber-insider, :sarc: . But what do you propose? Public words that accomplish little or nothing? Staring a war with Russia? Hurt the Russian economy by becoming a net exporter of oil and gas? Oh wait, Trump did that. Hurt the Russian economy by NASA no longer having to use Soyuz to launch astronauts into space? Oh wait, Trump did that.
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Wow, @FeelNoPain, you know nothing has been said to Russia? You must be a Trump Administration uber-insider, :sarc: . But what do you propose? Public words that accomplish little or nothing? Staring a war with Russia? Hurt the Russian economy by becoming a net exporter of oil and gas? Oh wait, Trump did that. Hurt the Russian economy by NASA no longer having to use Soyuz to launch astronauts into space? Oh wait, Trump did that.
I was wondering where all the site's deep thinkers had gone.
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I was wondering where all the site's deep thinkers had gone.
How you spellin that? (deep stinkers)
:tongue2:
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Well, the origin of this piece is the New York Times which in Trump's world, automatically makes it fake news.
But whether this is for real or not, or whether Trump knew about it or not -- some people here think Putin and Russia are our friends. Russia may no longer be communist, but it is not our friend. I believe Russia still has ambitions of destroying America and becoming the one and only superpower. It might be the origin or one of the origins of so much communist teaching in our schools and the rise of various anti-American groups that are trying to bring this country down.
And Trump cozying up to Putin, Kim in North Korea and others has always made me uneasy. Trump supporters tell me all this fawning is a negotiation tactic. I'm not so sure about that.
This is being reported in Military News now too. It is widely being reported and British Coalition troops also were targeted. I know Guardian is reporting also. This all happened when Trump was making peace deals with the Taliban.
I don't think that New York Times could get away with this kind of Fake News. Just wouldn't believe it. And if this is true Trump deserves whatever is coming. He will not be able to cover this one up. And believe me I take no pleasure in reporting this. It makes me want to puke. His entire foreign policy has been against good and supporting evil. Same with Syria where he said there was nothing there but sand and death.
This will be worse than Benghazi. If true Trump should submit resignation of office. We are talking about American lives. Our own troops and he apparently has tried to cover it up.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties-for-killing-us-troops/
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Wow, @FeelNoPain, you know nothing has been said to Russia? You must be a Trump Administration uber-insider, :sarc: . But what do you propose? Public words that accomplish little or nothing? Staring a war with Russia? Hurt the Russian economy by becoming a net exporter of oil and gas? Oh wait, Trump did that. Hurt the Russian economy by NASA no longer having to use Soyuz to launch astronauts into space? Oh wait, Trump did that.
Yeah, Trump has always been so circumspect and judicious about using "Public words that accomplish little or nothing." Like braying, "LAW & ORDER!" or "Don't make me come in there, Seattle!" and the like.
I saw enough of how Trump deals with Putin in Helsinki. Shameful, Vile and Embarrassing.
Soyuz? @PeteS in CA Employing Soyuz as some counterweight to how Trump laid down with his legs akimbo and let Putin violate him in Helsinki or how he has not come out with a STRONG denial of allowing Russia to slaughter American soldiers with impunity is just silly. I'm tired of giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his meekness and affection for Putin, and I'm betting that most Americans are, too. I have seen enough Putin ass-kissing. Eff the nuance.
Similarly, I appreciate the meticulous research you put together for your coronavirus timeline--I really do. However, you and I both know that means less than nothing this autumn when the Dems play ad after ad of Trump dismissing the Coronavirus like he did on TV in February. In the same vein, I don't want to hear about Soyuz when I have been told that 3 months have passed since Trump was informed about Putin slaughtering our soldiers and the only visible response has been to invite Russia into the G-7 and send them PPE.
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I was wondering where all the site's deep thinkers had gone.
Agreed. I miss edpc and onceler, too!
BTW, @skeeter You have the best avatar ever.
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All news are now reporting
https://www.bing.com/search?q=military%20news%20Russia%20pays%20taliban%20to%20kill%20us%20soldiers&qs=ds&form=QBRE (https://www.bing.com/search?q=military%20news%20Russia%20pays%20taliban%20to%20kill%20us%20soldiers&qs=ds&form=QBRE)
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All news are now reporting
https://www.bing.com/search?q=military%20news%20Russia%20pays%20taliban%20to%20kill%20us%20soldiers&qs=ds&form=QBRE (https://www.bing.com/search?q=military%20news%20Russia%20pays%20taliban%20to%20kill%20us%20soldiers&qs=ds&form=QBRE)
Russia has denied it. I'm sure that's good enough. Maybe POTUS will give us another Helsinki classic: "The sentence should have been, 'I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia.' Sort of a double negative."
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Agreed. I miss edpc and onceler, too!
BTW, @skeeter You have the best avatar ever.
It is a classic.
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U.S. Army Gen. John Nicholson, the former top commander in Afghanistan, previously accused Russians of supplying weapons to Taliban, saying in 2018, "Clearly, they are acting to undermine our interests." The Russian embassy in Kabul responded by calling it "absolutely baseless."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/26/report-russia-offered-bounties-for-taliban-militants-to-kill-us-soldiers-and-other-allies/#16fb45de7330 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/26/report-russia-offered-bounties-for-taliban-militants-to-kill-us-soldiers-and-other-allies/#16fb45de7330)
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Well, I couldn't find the clip on FOX news, but this media posted FOX making light of the story. You can see the clip here:
https://www.mediaite.com/category/opinion/ (https://www.mediaite.com/category/opinion/)
But they also ran the story here:
MILITARYPublished 12 hours ago
Russian spy unit paid Taliban to attack US troops, US intelligence says
It couldn’t be determined whether Russian bounties paid to Taliban fighters resulted in any American combat deaths in Afghanistan.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/russian-spy-unit-paid-taliban-to-attack-us-troops-us-intelligence-says (https://www.foxnews.com/us/russian-spy-unit-paid-taliban-to-attack-us-troops-us-intelligence-says)
And here on FOX News in May 2017 they acknowledge Russia military support for Taliban
AfghanistanPublished May 17, 2017Last Update May 24, 2017
Evidence of Russian military support for Afghan Taliban is growing
https://www.foxnews.com/world/evidence-of-russian-military-support-for-afghan-taliban-is-growing (https://www.foxnews.com/world/evidence-of-russian-military-support-for-afghan-taliban-is-growing)
The clip is "and get this". Where they highlighted Russia and the Taliban denying it. We should trust Russia and the Taliban? It is surprising its been nearly 24 hours since the story broke and nothing from the White House.
I can't find the clip now on that link but it was there.
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I guess Kellyanne can't control her husband.
New Ad Hits Trump on Putin’s Bounty on U.S. Troops
June 27, 2020 at 8:49 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 112 Comments
The Lincoln Project released a tough new ad:
“In the last year, flag-draped coffins have returned from Afghanistan. Now we know Vladimir Putin pays a bounty for the murder of American soldiers.â€
“Donald Trump knows too — and does nothing. Putin pays the Taliban cash to slaughter our men and women in uniform and Trump is silent.â€
Earlier for members: Trump Apparently Knew Russia Was Killing Americans
https://politicalwire.com/
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I guess Kellyanne can't control her husband.
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Is she supposed to? That marriage is a bit odd to me. I should think they would be divorced by now.
I was reading something today that questioned how effective the Lincoln Project ads will be to woo away Trump voters. I don't know the answer to that, but I'm sure those ads give Trump fits.
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Is she supposed to? That marriage is a bit odd to me. I should think they would be divorced by now.
I was reading something today that questioned how effective the Lincoln Project ads will be to woo away Trump voters. I don't know the answer to that, but I'm sure those ads give Trump fits.
It is odd isn't it? I'm split on this one. I don't like the murder of our troops being used for politics. But if this is true then people need to know about it. I would think it would be highly effective. Horribly hurtful also.
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Well if this is true (I state if true), then Trump is in deep s**t.
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This is beingf reported in Military News now too. It is widely being reported and British Coalition troops also were targeted. I know Guardian is reporting also. This all happened when Trump was making peace deals with the Taliban.
I don't think that New York Times could get away with this kind of Fake News. Just wouldn't believe it. And if this is true Trump deserves whatever is coming. He will not be able to cover this one up. And believe me I take no pleasure in reporting this. It makes me want to puke. His entire foreign policy has been against good and supporting evil. Same with Syria where he said there was nothing there but sand and death.
This will be worse than Benghazi. If true Trump should submit resignation of office. We are talking about American lives. Our own troops and he apparently has tried to cover it up.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/06/report-russia-paid-taliban-bounties-for-killing-us-troops/
Your fevered brain Jennifer has been spinning in circles with so much speculative conspiracy and conjecture I'm surprised you haven't puked already from the vertigo.
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Wouldn't surprise me (Russia paying)... face it, we armed Afghanistan against them and laughed about it later. They have memories too.
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OK, so here we are. The President has denied it. This is a matter of National Security and a serious accusation was made. Trump always talks about Fake News trying to bring him down. Certainly this would be a serious attempt to affect our National Elections. To undermine the Presidents Foreign policy. To cause national concern and outrage. To place questions in the minds of families that lost relatives in Afghanistan as to whether they were killed with Russian money?
Where do we go from here:
The article was specific.
American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan
I will not believe that this is a lie if the president doesn't do something about it. If he doesn't file a Federal Lawsuit. If there is no investigation into who these American intelligence officials are. If this is a lie it is not journalism protected by the Constitution. It is in itself Treason and should be handled accordingly. We can't have this.
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Charlie Savage
@charlie_savage
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Reports that a Russian intelligence unit paid Taliban fighters to kill coalition troops in Afghanistan are true, British security officials have confirmed to Sky News. The news, first published on Friday evening by NYT, is "on the nose" according to source briefed on the matter.
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Russia offered Taliban-linked fighters bounties to attack British troops - as senior Tory MP seeks answers
Alistair Bunkall, defence and security correspondent
Sky News28 June 2020
A senior Conservative MP is seeking an urgent question in the Commons on Monday about an alleged plot that a Russian intelligence unit offered Taliban-linked fighters bounties to kill coalition troops in Afghanistan.
British security officials have confirmed to Sky News that the reports about the plot are true.
If Tobias Ellwood, chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee, is granted his urgent question, it will require a government minister to respond in person.
Mr Ellwood told Sky News: "I think it's completely unacceptable that a fellow permanent member of the UN Security Council is now seen to be training and supplying arms to the very militia that has prevented peaceful conclusions to this decade-old conflict (in Afghanistan).
"So serious is this that I'll be seeking an urgent question on Monday and will be encouraging the UK to raise this matter at the UN and indeed our NATO allies."
Mr Ellwood said the Russia allegations in Afghanistan offer a reminder of the need to reconstitute a committee of MPs that scrutinises the work of the UK's intelligence and security services and has the power to release a long-awaited report into alleged Russian meddling in the UK.
He said: "Let's get that intelligence and security committee up and running, let's publish the overdue Russia report, let's make it very, very clear that it is simply unacceptable for a member of the UN security council to place bounties on US and UK heads."
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-paid-taliban-fighters-attack-british-troops-afghanistan-231000724.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNoP3E9K0JyaXRpc2grc2VjdXJpdHkrb2ZmaWNpYWxzK2hhdmUrY29uZmlybWVkK3RvK1NreStOZXdzK1J1c3NpYStwYWlkK1RhbGliYW4rdG8ra2lsbCtVLlMuK1Ryb29wcyZmb3JtPUVETlRIVCZyZWZpZz01Zjc5NTAwNzY3ZDU0NTdlYmRiYWEzZDBjOTUwODkzZCZta3Q9ZW4tdXMmbXNuZXdzPTEmUEM9TENUUyZzcD0tMSZwcT1icml0aXNoK3NlY3VyaXR5K29mZmljaWFscytoYXZlK2NvbmZpcm1lZCt0bytza3krbmV3cytydXNzaWErcGFpZCt0JnNjPTAtNjcmcXM9biZzaz0mY3ZpZD01Zjc5NTAwNzY3ZDU0NTdlYmRiYWEzZDBjOTUwODkzZA&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANJ9cRc6fgx8_A7C9nhtUSA-6iGN7JnygrLR0xuj3a2VwHBqOPJpnx0wyLoIwfSk841kXXc2dpwZYi23YYJMFuq1321ZFxPeRzXpAw5oVvt57h545isOzlCoHOlxpjOn5oR7F5kOrRn-BzdoNHJUAfGSCdkwHDAqNXEzVIt_kC98
I guess our news has to come from Britain to be confirmed.
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Well if this is true (I state if true), then Trump is in deep s**t.
Especially if we find out he was aware of this
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Charlie Savage
@charlie_savage
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8h
Reports that a Russian intelligence unit paid Taliban fighters to kill coalition troops in Afghanistan are true, British security officials have confirmed to Sky News. The news, first published on Friday evening by NYT, is "on the nose" according to source briefed on the matter.
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Russia offered Taliban-linked fighters bounties to attack British troops - as senior Tory MP seeks answers
Alistair Bunkall, defence and security correspondent
Sky News28 June 2020
A senior Conservative MP is seeking an urgent question in the Commons on Monday about an alleged plot that a Russian intelligence unit offered Taliban-linked fighters bounties to kill coalition troops in Afghanistan.
British security officials have confirmed to Sky News that the reports about the plot are true.
If Tobias Ellwood, chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee, is granted his urgent question, it will require a government minister to respond in person.
Mr Ellwood told Sky News: "I think it's completely unacceptable that a fellow permanent member of the UN Security Council is now seen to be training and supplying arms to the very militia that has prevented peaceful conclusions to this decade-old conflict (in Afghanistan).
"So serious is this that I'll be seeking an urgent question on Monday and will be encouraging the UK to raise this matter at the UN and indeed our NATO allies."
Mr Ellwood said the Russia allegations in Afghanistan offer a reminder of the need to reconstitute a committee of MPs that scrutinises the work of the UK's intelligence and security services and has the power to release a long-awaited report into alleged Russian meddling in the UK.
He said: "Let's get that intelligence and security committee up and running, let's publish the overdue Russia report, let's make it very, very clear that it is simply unacceptable for a member of the UN security council to place bounties on US and UK heads."
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-paid-taliban-fighters-attack-british-troops-afghanistan-231000724.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNoP3E9K0JyaXRpc2grc2VjdXJpdHkrb2ZmaWNpYWxzK2hhdmUrY29uZmlybWVkK3RvK1NreStOZXdzK1J1c3NpYStwYWlkK1RhbGliYW4rdG8ra2lsbCtVLlMuK1Ryb29wcyZmb3JtPUVETlRIVCZyZWZpZz01Zjc5NTAwNzY3ZDU0NTdlYmRiYWEzZDBjOTUwODkzZCZta3Q9ZW4tdXMmbXNuZXdzPTEmUEM9TENUUyZzcD0tMSZwcT1icml0aXNoK3NlY3VyaXR5K29mZmljaWFscytoYXZlK2NvbmZpcm1lZCt0bytza3krbmV3cytydXNzaWErcGFpZCt0JnNjPTAtNjcmcXM9biZzaz0mY3ZpZD01Zjc5NTAwNzY3ZDU0NTdlYmRiYWEzZDBjOTUwODkzZA&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANJ9cRc6fgx8_A7C9nhtUSA-6iGN7JnygrLR0xuj3a2VwHBqOPJpnx0wyLoIwfSk841kXXc2dpwZYi23YYJMFuq1321ZFxPeRzXpAw5oVvt57h545isOzlCoHOlxpjOn5oR7F5kOrRn-BzdoNHJUAfGSCdkwHDAqNXEzVIt_kC98
I guess our news has to come from Britain to be confirmed.
Yahoo News. *****rollingeyes*****
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Catherine Herridge
@CBS_Herridge
DEVELOPING: A senior intel official tells @CBSNews the GRU/Taliban bounty allegations were not contained in the President's Daily Brief (PDB) which is the highly classified, daily summary of national security issues delivered to the President, key cabinet secretaries + advisers..
The official confirmed the NSC has been doing “due diligence,†and going back through their files since the story broke Friday, and they have not found the “intelligence assessment†described in media reporting. The official said the review is ongoing, but given current...
talks with the Taliban, intel about a GRU operation involving the Taliban, targeting US forces would have risen to the level of inclusion in the PDB. @CBSNews
3:56 PM · Jun 28, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1277329946541805569
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Always favor stories on the NYT with anonymous sources, and nobody else in the room.
A big winner with TDS members here, hell bent to find fault with Trump, real or imagined.
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Always favor stories on the NYT with anonymous sources, and nobody else in the room.
A big winner with TDS members here, hell bent to find fault with Trump, real or imagined.
They make me puke. Sorry lot.
But hey....we're not an echo chamber, right? RIGHT?? /s
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Always favor stories on the NYT with anonymous sources, and nobody else in the room.
A big winner with TDS members here, hell bent to find fault with Trump, real or imagined.
It certainly seems to be their main objective in this forum.
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They make me puke. Sorry lot.
But hey....we're not an echo chamber, right? RIGHT?? /s
Nope not an echo chamber, but most of us don't go out of our way spending countless hours posting anything and everything even remotely negative about Trump and then will diligently argue that there's no way that the information can be false. After all, those "anonymous" sources have to be reliable. RIGHT?? I've heard that the "anonymous" sources are more reliable than reporting "sources said".
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Always favor stories on the NYT with anonymous sources, and nobody else in the room.
A big winner with TDS members here, hell bent to find fault with Trump, real or imagined.
Well, I guess now that Trump has denied it, his supporters have permission to call the story fake news. What's it like to have to wait for the master to tell you what to think and what to say?
By the way, the story from Catherine Herridge at CBS cited by @Right_in_Virginia above quotes an anonymous source also. But I guess you believe that one because it's favorable to Trump.
Whether this story about bounties is true and whether Trump knew about it or not -- it certainly merits investigation. I am not going to take Trump's word or the word of the Russians or the Taliban that it never happened.
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Yahoo News. *****rollingeyes*****
That wasn't yahoo news. It was yahoo posting Sky News article *****rollingeyes*****
https://news.sky.com/story/russia-paid-taliban-fighters-to-attack-british-troops-in-afghanistan-12016425
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By the way, the story from Catherine Herridge at CBS cited by @Right_in_Virginia above quotes an anonymous source also.
It comes down to reputation @Applewood
Catherine Herridge has cultivated a reputation over decades of reporting that is trustworthy .... the New York Times has done the opposite.
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Well, I guess now that Trump has denied it, his supporters have permission to call the story fake news. What's it like to have to wait for the master to tell you what to think and what to say?
By the way, the story from Catherine Herridge at CBS cited by @Right_in_Virginia above quotes an anonymous source also. But I guess you believe that one because it's favorable to Trump.
Whether this story about bounties is true and whether Trump knew about it or not -- it certainly merits investigation. I am not going to take Trump's word or the word of the Russians or the Taliban that it never happened.
Me either. Today Trump posts a video of a guy chanting white power and Trump says he didn't see it. Didn't see it. Didn't get it. Not responsible for my own actions Trump.
This allegation by the New York Times is serious. It can't be wiped away by denying it.
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It comes down to reputation @Applewood
Catherine Herridge has cultivated a reputation over decades of reporting that is trustworthy .... the New York Times has done the opposite.
CBS?
Thanks I knew I remembered the name. I couldn't place the face. I remember her. She was a big war correspondence on FOX during Bush Administration.
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Well, I guess now that Trump has denied it, his supporters have permission to call the story fake news. What's it like to have to wait for the master to tell you what to think and what to say?
By the way, the story from Catherine Herridge at CBS cited by @Right_in_Virginia above quotes an anonymous source also. But I guess you believe that one because it's favorable to Trump.
Whether this story about bounties is true and whether Trump knew about it or not -- it certainly merits investigation. I am not going to take Trump's word or the word of the Russians or the Taliban that it never happened.
I don't consider myself a Trump supporter, nor am I saying he should be given a free pass on this. There are members who seem to spend countless hours surfing the net for anything that is even remotely negative about Trump and post it. It has become their sole purpose for participating in this forum and it seems to be their obsession.
For the past 3 years it has become typical of the left to fabricate accusations; just ask Nancy, she has made her "smear tactics" common place. The DEM way is to deceive, accuse, lie and deny. They haven't just launched those campaigns against Trump but others on the right that they want out of the way as well.
I am definitely not saying that everything is fake news, but the MSM has been noted for their unreliability and biased reporting for a reason. Most reporters don't seem to be journalists anymore, they are merely reporting on issues in a way to sway sentiment and to complete a political agenda.
Most people can connect the dots after awhile and some are so bent on trying to condemn this president that they don't even see the dots.
There are unanswered questions still in my mind about Trump, but I can still identify the leftist b.s.
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Whether this story about bounties is true and whether Trump knew about it or not -- it certainly merits investigation. I am not going to take Trump's word or the word of the Russians or the Taliban that it never happened.
The NSC has said there is no intelligence supporting the claims in the NYT and nothing remotely resembling the claims was included in any Daily Briefing to the President because ... wait for it ... there was no intelligence to report.
Does this carry any weight with you @Applewood ?
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Well, dagnabit, I'm shocked. SInce the Chinese advisors to the NOrth Koreans and the Soviets flying Mig Alley (Korean War), there has been a proxy war going on over wherever we have a proxy war.
Silly to think otherwise, when we sent Manpads (Stinger missiles) to the Mujahedin, to shoot down Soviet Helicopters in the 'Stan, way back when.
After all, the Soviets can't have us succeed where they did not.
But even better would be the propaganda victory of saying something was happening when it wasn't.
After all, we know the NYT is so accurate. (yes!--that last bit is sarcasm)
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It comes down to reputation @Applewood
Catherine Herridge has cultivated a reputation over decades of reporting that is trustworthy .... the New York Times has done the opposite.
@Right_in_Virginia
CBS News. Home of the fake George Bush military records.
Sorry, but in my view if one story based on anonymous sources is suspect, then all of them are.
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The NSC has said there is no intelligence supporting the claims in the NYT and nothing remotely resembling the claims was included in any Daily Briefing to the President because ... wait for it ... there was no intelligence to report.
Does this carry any weight with you @Applewood ?
@Right_in_Virginia
These days I'm suspicious of everyone.
This is why I believe the whole matter should be investigated.
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@Right_in_Virginia
These days I'm suspicious of everyone.
This is why I believe the whole matter should be investigated.
You trust no one @Applewood So who would you recommend lead this "investigation"?
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@Right_in_Virginia
CBS News. Home of the fake George Bush military records.
I said nothing about CBS News @Applewood The trustworthy reputation is Catherine Herridge's --- regardless of where she is based. She has earned it.
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Afghan militants taking money from Russia.
And you thought killing Americans was just a pastime with them? Hey, somebody’s gotta pay the rent, and baby needs new shoes. /s
So Deep State says identify a scandal, magnify the scandal, call CBS and NYT. They’ll handle the rest.
Does anybody know—I lost track after the slippery slope/shoes incident—how many coup attempts does this make now? Will Schiff announce he has iron clad evidence then begin lying, er, begin hearings? Will Pelosi turn out to be a military hawk; outraged—if true? Will CNN do a naked conga line out the door? We got him now!
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I said nothing about CBS News @Applewood The trustworthy reputation is Catherine Herridge's --- regardless of where she is based. She has earned it.
Doesn't fit. She isn't a 9/11 Conspiracy truther like Trump.
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Afghan militants taking money from Russia.
And you thought killing Americans was just a pastime with them? Hey, somebody’s gotta pay the rent, and baby needs new shoes. /s
So Deep State says identify a scandal, magnify the scandal, call CBS and NYT. They’ll handle the rest.
Does anybody know—I lost track after the slippery slope/shoes incident—how many coup attempts does this make now? Will Schiff announce he has iron clad evidence then begin lying, er, begin hearings? Will Pelosi turn out to be a military hawk; outraged—if true? Will CNN do a naked conga line out the door? We got him now!
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No way ... another DEM fabricated scandal....say it isn't so? *****rollingeyes*****
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No way ... another DEM fabricated scandal....say it isn't so? *****rollingeyes*****
This time with help from the GOPe.
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No way ... another DEM fabricated scandal....say it isn't so? *****rollingeyes*****
It isn't so. I think regardless of Trump denying it this won't go away. And if it is true then there is great incompetence in the Administration and the NSC.
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Wait a second.
This article is alleging that Trump has known about Putin paying to slaughter American soldiers since March and that there has been no response from the Trump administration.
Not only that, since that time Trump has been vociferously advocating to allow Russia back into the G7. Even sent them respirators.
This story is being run by the WSJ, the NYT, Fox etc. I'm expecting the Trump Administration to vehemently, "very strongly and powerfully" deny this traitorous libel and I wonder what the hell is taking so long to do so. Where's the f---ing tweet about this?
He did say that this report is nonsense. #FakeNews, per the usual.
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He did say that this report is nonsense. #FakeNews, per the usual.
he didn’t, he said the intel said it wasn’t credible. doesn’t mean the intel didn’t happen.
The question is who decided it wasn’t credible and was it due to diplomatic pressure.
the UK decided it was credible, and their is a bit uproar over it, there was a report over Russia coming out in November there and I’m guessing it’s suppressed because of this news.
Either way it’s terrible from this administration and their needs to be an investigation if any American soldiers have been killed due to this. If there was, wow worse than Benghazi 1000 percent.
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This really funny.... we paid bounties all the time, both bushy and obama....
What is the difference between paying mercenaries and paying bounties?
How is this any reflection on Trump that the russians are alleged to be involved?
I would rather get our kids out of that hell hole and let them destroy each other.....
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This really funny.... we paid bounties all the time, both bushy and obama....
What is the difference between paying mercenaries and paying bounties?
How is this any reflection on Trump that the russians are alleged to be involved?
I would rather get our kids out of that hell hole and let them destroy each other.....
wow you are actually defending Russia for killing/outing bounties on your soldiers heads. give your head a wobble. It’s something the left would say.
If there is even a whiff of truth to it, trump administration should have been powerful enough to say NO!
Not butter them up and try allow them to rejoin the g7
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Four years into the administration of the most intensely investigated president in American history, and just now—128 days before an election—we learn Donald Trump doesn’t care about American troops lives. How convenient.
Russia collusion V 2.0.
No sale.
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Four years into the administration of the most intensely investigated president in American history, and just now—128 days before an election—we learn Donald Trump doesn’t care about American troops lives. How convenient.
Russia collusion V 2.0.
No sale.
trump met with fat Kim which has resulted in nothing but embarrassment, set up a meeting with the taliban which has killed countless US soldiers, now it seems like his administration has looked the other way when Russia had a bounty on US soldiers. Horrible.
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he didn’t, he said the intel said it wasn’t credible. doesn’t mean the intel didn’t happen.
It means the intel was vetted and determined not to be credible (reliable, confirmed, dependable) ... which means it does not work its way up the food chain to the WH. What confuses you here?
The question is who decided it wasn’t credible and was it due to diplomatic pressure.
Who are you accusing of applying diplomatic pressure?
the UK decided it was credible
Big fu*king whoop. Are these the same UK folks who decided the Steele Dossier was credible? Methinks we need to cut the UK out of our current and future assessments of Russian activity. On this, the Brits are unreliable.
Either way it’s terrible from this administration and their needs to be an investigation if any American soldiers have been killed due to this. If there was, wow worse than Benghazi 1000 percent.
There will be an investigation. I just hope you don't stroke out before it's completed @Stevensr123 .
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Stupid really should hurt, shouldn't it @aligncare 888blackhat
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wow you are actually defending Russia for killing/outing bounties on your soldiers heads. give your head a wobble. It’s something the left would say.
If there is even a whiff of truth to it, trump administration should have been powerful enough to say NO!
Not butter them up and try allow them to rejoin the g7
Defending russia... lol.. just calling out hypocrisy and slander...
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Four years into the administration of the most intensely investigated president in American history, and just now—128 days before an election—we learn Donald Trump doesn’t care about American troops lives. How convenient.
Russia collusion V 2.0. No sale.
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Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
Is it my imagination or is Great Britain running a Russia/bullshit intelligence operation against Trump for the second time?
3:15 PM · Jun 28, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1277319755519623168
@aligncare
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It means the intel was vetted and determined not to be credible (reliable, confirmed, dependable) ... which means it does not work its way up the food chain to the WH. What confuses you here?
Who are you accusing of applying diplomatic pressure?
Big fu*king whoop. Are these the same UK folks who decided the Steele Dossier was credible? Methinks we need to cut the UK out of our current and future assessments of Russian activity. On this, the Brits are unreliable.
There will be an investigation. I just hope you don't stroke out before it's completed @Stevensr123 .
On the steele dossier the uk intelligence said they didn’t think it was credible, that is well known.
“ Most significantly, then-British national security adviser Sir Mark Lyall Grant claimed in the memo, hand-delivered to incoming U.S. national security adviser Mike Flynn’s team, that the British government lacked confidence in the credibility of former MI6 spy Christopher Steele’s Russia collusion evidence, according to congressional investigators who interviewed witnesses familiar with the memo.â€
His mate said he believes him but he has a personal relationship.
And are you serious saying diplomatic relations are not involve in these things? Fact trump tried to dismiss it by saying not many have been murdered says it all.
He is talking about your soldiers their by the way!!!
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Defending russia... lol.. just calling out hypocrisy and slander...
you are. you are saying If the US does it, it’s ok for them to murder your own troops or put bounties on them without consequences. Because of hypocrisy.
And it’s bloody Russia ffs, the Republican Party used to be against that awful country, when did you lower your standards?
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Stupid really should hurt, shouldn't it @aligncare 888blackhat
We all know (or should know by now) what democrats are all about. But, people who claim to be republicans? There’s a special place in remedial current events class for these folks.
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trump met with fat Kim which has resulted in nothing but embarrassment, set up a meeting with the taliban which has killed countless US soldiers, now it seems like his administration has looked the other way when Russia had a bounty on US soldiers. Horrible.
Right, what is he supposed to do, Nuke the Kremlin?
The US Government looked the other way:
When Korean War POWs were not returned but hauled off to Siberia.
When Vietnam War POWs were not returned and hauled off to ? (John McCain even voted to abandon them. )
So, what do you propose? --And why haven't we heard even a peep about this before--this HAS been the longest military engagement (with the exception of Korea, which has been a standoff with a cease-fire for a long time) in our history. There's been plenty of time for this to leak. Nothing else in DC makes it a week.
Seems there is a UK/Russia rumor mill going again....Someone is either making things up, or colluding. Now who would that be again this time?
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On the steele dossier the uk intelligence said they didn’t think it was credible, that is well known.
Really.... this is the story you're sticking with after all the damage they caused?
“ Most significantly, then-British national security adviser Sir Mark Lyall Grant claimed in the memo, hand-delivered to incoming U.S. national security adviser Mike Flynn’s team, that the British government lacked confidence in the credibility of former MI6 spy Christopher Steele’s Russia collusion evidence, according to congressional investigators who interviewed witnesses familiar with the memo.â€
After the Brits got caught. Without the esteemed British intelligence community Hillary would have had to go elsewhere for a fantasy report. Lucky for BJ's bride the Brits were so accommodating of her.
And are you serious saying diplomatic relations are not involve in these things? Fact trump tried to dismiss it by saying not many have been murdered says it all.
I am seriously asking again: Who are you accusing of using diplomatic pressure? Your knowledge and insight into all of this is staggering, so surely you must know; or at least suspect. Do share.
He is talking about your soldiers their by the way!!!
I know who we're talking about. But if you don't stop hyperventilating at the prospect of Russiagate 2.0 --- I am seriously worried you will stroke out. @Stevensr123
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Well, I guess now that Trump has denied it, his supporters have permission to call the story fake news. What's it like to have to wait for the master to tell you what to think and what to say?
By the way, the story from Catherine Herridge at CBS cited by @Right_in_Virginia above quotes an anonymous source also. But I guess you believe that one because it's favorable to Trump.
Whether this story about bounties is true and whether Trump knew about it or not -- it certainly merits investigation. I am not going to take Trump's word or the word of the Russians or the Taliban that it never happened.
Russians flew planes against our pilots in Mig Alley, back in the Korean War.
Russians and Chinese advised and supplied the VC in Vietnam.
We have supplied a few combatants of our own, around the world.
As 'unsavory' as such things are, they occur.
When Russia (USSR) was fighting in Afghanistan, US supplied Stinger missiles (Shoulder launched, heat-seeking anti-aircraft missiles) brought down countless Soviet helicopters full of troops. They were used by the Mujahedin, who later became the Taliban. Seems they don't like anyone messing with their opium trade, among other things.
The only remedy, of course, is to catch them in the combat zone and kill them.
Even giving the report of bounties offered by Russia for killing coalition troops hypothetical credibility:
Did Trump have anything to do with bounties being offered?
Was he aware that bounties were being offered?
Could Trump stop those bounties from being offered?
What do you think would be an appropriate action?
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It isn't so. I think regardless of Trump denying it this won't go away. And if it is true then there is great incompetence in the Administration and the NSC.
If it's a lie - as appears to be the case - why shouldn't it go away? No matter how much one hates the president, a thinking person, let alone a moral one, should NOT want to perpetuate lies.
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Really.... this is the story you're sticking with after all the damage they caused?
After the Brits got caught. Without the esteemed British intelligence community Hillary would have had to go elsewhere for a fantasy report. Lucky for BJ's bride the Brits were so accommodating of her.
I am seriously asking again: Who are you accusing of using diplomatic pressure? Your knowledge and insight into all of this is staggering, so surely you must know; or at least suspect. Do share.
I know who we're talking about. But if you don't stop hyperventilating at the prospect of Russiagate 2.0 --- I am seriously worried you will stroke out. @Stevensr123
what do you mean the brits got caught?
Steele was out of the UK intel force at the time, for many years. , he got paid by some republicans to dig up dirt, then got paid by the Democrats.
When the report was distributed, the trump admin via Flynn asked about the credibility of it, and the uk government and uk intel said they doubted it. The end.
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@Right_in_Virginia
CBS News. Home of the fake George Bush military records.
Sorry, but in my view if one story based on anonymous sources is suspect, then all of them are.
It's also where Sharyl Atkisson broke the MSM ice over Fast and Furious, iirc.
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what do you mean the brits got caught?
Steele was out of the UK intel force at the time, for many years. , he got paid by some republicans to dig up dirt, then got paid by the Democrats.
When the report was distributed, the trump admin via Flynn asked about the credibility of it, and the uk government and uk intel said they doubted it. The end.
Don't let that bother you. That person is Trumps mouthpiece on this site. Its easier to spout Russia gate 2.0 than admit that Trump is in some serious trouble of his own making.
Trump loves every evil dictator. We stood by while he claimed friendship with Erdogan and let Turkey go in and attack the Kurds. Our friends and allies against ISIS. And claimed Syria was just "sand and death" as if it was no big deal that Christians who had been there since the time of Christ were once again the target of extremist Islam under the direction of Turkey.
Now here we are again. Trump making peace deals with the Taliban while Russia is paying them to kill our troops. He says he didn't know. BS. He knew. I can't believe intelligence of that nature did not come across his desk.
Also Russia has been increasingly confrontational off the coast of Alaska. But Trump is calling for Russia to be part of the G7. He says he has been hard on Russia, and people overlook his butt kissing.
Newsmax has the article today:
US Has Proof Russian Bounties Led to GI Deaths in Afghanistan
Several U.S. military personnel were killed as a result of bounties Russia put on American soldiers in Afghanistan, according to a new report.
The Washington Post reported Sunday evening that U.S. intelligence shows that the bounties, which Russia offered to militants with ties to the Taliban, led to multiple U.S. deaths.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/bounties/2020/06/28/id/974575/ (https://www.newsmax.com/us/bounties/2020/06/28/id/974575/)
We have never disregarded British intelligence like this before. @Right_in_Virginia wants to poo poo another investigation as Russiagate 2.0 because it worked before. The pity party is over.
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Don't let that bother you. That person is Trumps mouthpiece on this site. Its easier to spout Russia gate 2.0 than admit that Trump is in some serious trouble of his own making.
Trump loves every evil dictator. We stood by while he claimed friendship with Erdogan and let Turkey go in and attack the Kurds. Our friends and allies against ISIS. And claimed Syria was just "sand and death" as if it was no big deal that Christians who had been there since the time of Christ were once again the target of extremist Islam under the direction of Turkey.
Now here we are again. Trump making peace deals with the Taliban while Russia is paying them to kill our troops. He says he didn't know. BS. He knew. I can't believe intelligence of that nature did not come across his desk.
Also Russia has been increasingly confrontational off the coast of Alaska. But Trump is calling for Russia to be part of the G7. He says he has been hard on Russia, and people overlook his butt kissing.
Newsmax has the article today:
US Has Proof Russian Bounties Led to GI Deaths in Afghanistan
Several U.S. military personnel were killed as a result of bounties Russia put on American soldiers in Afghanistan, according to a new report.
The Washington Post reported Sunday evening that U.S. intelligence shows that the bounties, which Russia offered to militants with ties to the Taliban, led to multiple U.S. deaths.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/bounties/2020/06/28/id/974575/ (https://www.newsmax.com/us/bounties/2020/06/28/id/974575/)
We have never disregarded British intelligence like this before. @Right_in_Virginia wants to poo poo another investigation as Russiagate 2.0 because it worked before. The pity party is over.
Another tossed word salad from our very own @Chosen Daughter Bless her heart.
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Another tossed word salad from our very own @Chosen Daughter Bless her heart.
And Bless your too. Blessings to you.
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Another tossed word salad from our very own @Chosen Daughter Bless her heart.
@Right_in_Virginia Well, as a big fan of your wit, insight, articulation, etc, I have always believed that an indolent, oafish buffoon such as Trump is wholly undeserving of your vehement defense. Day after day, Trump farts out noisome falsities and you deign to ardently defend a man who is so beneath you.
I feel the same way about KellyAnne Conway.
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@Right_in_Virginia Well, as a big fan of your wit, insight, articulation, etc, I have always believed that an indolent, oafish buffoon such as Trump is wholly undeserving of your vehement defense. Day after day, Trump farts out noisome falsities and you deign to ardently defend a man who is so beneath you.
Thanks for sharing @FeelNoPain Let me know if you'd like some help, you appear from this post to be very confused.
Either way ... enjoy your day. happy77
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@Right_in_Virginia Well, as a big fan of your wit, insight, articulation, etc, I have always believed that an indolent, oafish buffoon such as Trump is wholly undeserving of your vehement defense. Day after day, Trump farts out noisome falsities and you deign to ardently defend a man who is so beneath you.
I feel the same way about KellyAnne Conway.
Specific examples would be nice. Or, you could stick with insults and generalities. Your call.
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Geraldo Rivera
@GeraldoRivera
After enjoying big splash from sensational #RussianBounty expose, #NYT retreating to shore-admitting "the underlying intelligence was conflicting." In 3 years of @realDonaldTrump all NYT/Russia reporting has been based on "conflicting" intelligence
-Also known as wishful thinking
8:01 AM · Jun 30, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1277935269791006720