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Title: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: endicom on October 31, 2018, 01:46:55 pm
Market Watch
Kari Paul
Oct. 31, 2018

When Coco Layne, a Brooklyn-based producer, meets someone new these days, the first question that comes up in conversation isn’t “Where do you live?” or “What do you do?” but “What’s your sign?”

“So many millennials read their horoscopes every day and believe them,” Layne, who is involved in a number of nonreligious spiritual practices, said. “It is a good reference point to identify and place people in the world.”

Interest in spirituality has been booming in recent years while interest in religion plummets, especially among millennials. The majority of Americans now believe it is not necessary to believe in God to have good morals, a study from Pew Research Center found. The percentage of people between the ages of 18 and 29 who “never doubt existence of God” fell from 81% in 2007 to 67% in 2012.

More... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-millennials-are-ditching-religion-for-witchcraft-and-astrology-2017-10-20?mod=newsviewer_click (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-millennials-are-ditching-religion-for-witchcraft-and-astrology-2017-10-20?mod=newsviewer_click)
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on October 31, 2018, 01:52:39 pm
I think allegiance to Christianity is a net loss for Republicans these days. Not saying anything bad about Christians, just that the public is starting to turn away from them.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: XenaLee on October 31, 2018, 02:03:57 pm
I think allegiance to Christianity is a net loss for Republicans these days. Not saying anything bad about Christians, just that the public is starting to turn away from them.

I think you're about as wrong as you could possibly be.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 02:05:18 pm
I think you're about as wrong as you could possibly be.

And then some.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on October 31, 2018, 02:07:35 pm
I think you're about as wrong as you could possibly be.

How am I wrong? Monotheism is and has been on the decline all over the world. If what I said isn't true now it will be in 10 years.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: XenaLee on October 31, 2018, 02:07:44 pm
Market Watch
Kari Paul
Oct. 31, 2018

When Coco Layne, a Brooklyn-based producer, meets someone new these days, the first question that comes up in conversation isn’t “Where do you live?” or “What do you do?” but “What’s your sign?”

“So many millennials read their horoscopes every day and believe them,” Layne, who is involved in a number of nonreligious spiritual practices, said. “It is a good reference point to identify and place people in the world.”

Interest in spirituality has been booming in recent years while interest in religion plummets, especially among millennials. The majority of Americans now believe it is not necessary to believe in God to have good morals, a study from Pew Research Center found. The percentage of people between the ages of 18 and 29 who “never doubt existence of God” fell from 81% in 2007 to 67% in 2012.

More... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-millennials-are-ditching-religion-for-witchcraft-and-astrology-2017-10-20?mod=newsviewer_click (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-millennials-are-ditching-religion-for-witchcraft-and-astrology-2017-10-20?mod=newsviewer_click)

Interest has been booming because the anti-Christians in Hollywood have been pushing supernatural-themed shows 24/7 and because the liberals' god Government has been attempting to purge Christianity from all aspects of our lives under the excuse of "separation of church and state".  Same goes for the homosexual lifestyle.  It is being pushed upon Americans and young Americans are not savvy enough to know what's going on... they just roll with it.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: endicom on October 31, 2018, 02:09:23 pm

This is snake oil with an aura. There has always been money to be made off of the young.

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: XenaLee on October 31, 2018, 02:14:19 pm
How am I wrong? Secularism is and has been on the rise all over the world. If what I said isn't true now it will be in 10 years.

You said...."I think allegiance to Christianity is a net loss for Republicans these days."  I think there are still enough Americans (mainstream America) that look to Christianity in America as what saves us from becoming one of those 3rd world cesspools.   I think you may be surprised this election to see evidence of that, in fact.  As long as Republicans embrace Christianity, they will continue to win, IMO.  We are the last bastion and the last best hope in this world. 

Now ten years from now... who knows.  We may not be able to halt the trend against Christianity.  In fact, if you go by Biblical prophecy, the trend towards an all-inclusive, one world religion, will ramp up.  You already see signs of that in America's false prophets, the filthy rich televangelists.  They're basically pushing anti-scripture BS already.

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2018, 02:35:47 pm
How am I wrong? Monotheism is and has been on the decline all over the world. If what I said isn't true now it will be in 10 years.

Actually no.  The more basic and less "modernized" forms of Christianity, Judaiasm and even islam are on the rise.  While the first two recognize a different God than does the third, they are definitely monotheistic. 

I think the error you make is the California error.  People who live in California face a certain set of challenges and opportunities and in their closed minded narcissism they project their values and issues onto the rest of the world.  Most of us don't live quite the way they do, believe in the same things or or have the same relationship with the world.

A small group of wealthy Western "global citizens" following the desires of their hearts and rejecting thousands of years of inspired knowledge and wisdom does not a global trend make, though I'm sure they do think they are that influential. 
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on October 31, 2018, 02:41:03 pm
Actually no.  The more basic and less "modernized" forms of Christianity, Judaiasm and even islam are on the rise.  While the first two recognize a different God than does the third, they are definitely monotheistic. 

I think the error you make is the California error.  People who live in California face a certain set of challenges and opportunities and in their closed minded narcissism they project their values and issues onto the rest of the world.  Most of us don't live quite the way they do, believe in the same things or or have the same relationship with the world.

A small group of wealthy Western "global citizens" following the desires of their hearts and rejecting thousands of years of inspired knowledge and wisdom does not a global trend make, though I'm sure they do think they are that influential.

I just see more and more young people turning away from it every generation, at least in the first world. Maybe it'll swing back.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2018, 02:47:50 pm
I just see more and more young people turning away from it every generation, at least in the first world. Maybe it'll swing back.

Yes, youngsters do tend to turn away for a bit.  But, they also tend to come back as they grow up.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 31, 2018, 03:03:42 pm
Yes, youngsters do tend to turn away for a bit.  But, they also tend to come back as they grow up.

Historically this is true.  But I don't think we can count on this going forward.  We've got two generations that, in the main, do not have roots or a foundation is religion.  Without this they have precious little to "come back" to.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2018, 03:09:06 pm
Historically this is true.  But I don't think we can count on this going forward.  We've got two generations that, in the main, do not have roots or a foundation is religion.  Without this they have precious little to "come back" to.

The reasons I stated that is because I've observed it in my own life, and secondly, because there is data to back that up. 

But, you are correct - there is a large portion of the population that is "lost".
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 03:14:36 pm
I just see more and more young people turning away from it every generation, at least in the first world. Maybe it'll swing back.

Young people are a poor indicator. Young people are perpetually in rebellion. Were you to look at me at 18-25, you would not have mistaken me for a Christian. I didn't return to my faith until the big bad world smacked me upside the head and knocked all the foolishness of the party scene outta my head.

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: XenaLee on October 31, 2018, 03:20:11 pm
Young people are a poor indicator. Young people are perpetually in rebellion. Were you to look at me at 18-25, you would not have mistaken me for a Christian. I didn't return to my faith until the big bad world smacked me upside the head and knocked all the foolishness of the party scene outta my head.

Same here.  I was not only not particularly religious, despite having a Christian family and upbringing... albeit not with any particular organized religion.... I was politically unaware.   Oddly enough, the spiritual awareness occurred about the same time I became politically active and aware.  Go figure. 
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Free Vulcan on October 31, 2018, 03:44:45 pm
Do you know part of the reason Millennials get so much hate? Stuff like this:

Quote
Astrology isn’t the only spiritual field overwhelmed by demand: Danielle Ayoka, the founder of spiritual subscription service Mystic Lipstick, said her customer base is growing exponentially. The self-described astrologer sells a “mystic box” subscription, which includes crystals, “Reiki-infused bath salts,” and incense customized to the unique energy of the current moon cycle for $14.99 a month. She says she’s seen 75% increase in her audience in the past year.

“When I started my journey in 2010, I was the weirdo,” she said. “Now it is becoming more and more normalized, and I believe it is because more people are looking to heal. Millennials are much more open-minded.”

Have you ever heard of the 70's? Or the 90's? This is the third time recycled for this crap, yet Millennials think it is all so funky superfly new and cool while they lionize themselves over their supposed open mindedness. It's bad enough to sell the BS, worse to believe it.

But I will say I don't see this in the Midwest. The 80's seem to rule more here and the hippy-witchy stuff is out, thank goodness.

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 03:55:19 pm
Same here.  I was not only not particularly religious, despite having a Christian family and upbringing... albeit not with any particular organized religion.... I was politically unaware.   Oddly enough, the spiritual awareness occurred about the same time I became politically active and aware.  Go figure.

I admit it is subjective, but I don't know a single Christian who didn't have a misspent yoot.
Several of my friends did hard time, many of them have seen the inside of County (including me), and *none* could claim to be ignorant of the back seat of a squad car.

To a degree, that is because kind finds kind, but the general premise that no one needs salvation in their own mind until they have created a severe train wreck in their own lives, cannot be denied...

And it is a whole lot more messy than the world would prefer to suppose. Most of them ol boys sitting in the pews have battle scars from their time in the world.

But there is an aspect to the OP that is pretty true.Most Christians don't get that they are in a war - A real and tangible war, right here on this physical plane. "New Age' is old as the hills, And Satanism in myriad form stalks Christians directly.

It is not uncommon to find curses and talismans hidden in churches - Effective counter operations that nearly the entirety of Christendom have become oblivious to. They have largely been taught to ignore the metaphysical, and that is a dire mistake.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on October 31, 2018, 03:57:40 pm
Uhhhh,witchcraft IS a religion,but astrology is a science. One is based on beliefs,and the other on facts that can be observed and proven.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on October 31, 2018, 03:59:09 pm
Market Watch
Kari Paul
Oct. 31, 2018

When Coco Layne, a Brooklyn-based producer, meets someone new these days, the first question that comes up in conversation isn’t “Where do you live?” or “What do you do?” but “What’s your sign?”


I always answer that with "Yield Right of Way".
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on October 31, 2018, 04:01:55 pm
I think allegiance to Christianity is a net loss for Republicans these days. Not saying anything bad about Christians, just that the public is starting to turn away from them.

@Dexter

I don't think it is Christianity specifically,but a general backing away from all religions.

Except for Islam,that is. Islam is gaining because they demand allegiance wherever they dominate,and the punishments for failure to follow go from enslavement to death.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: skeeter on October 31, 2018, 04:16:51 pm
How am I wrong? Monotheism is and has been on the decline all over the world. If what I said isn't true now it will be in 10 years.

The gatekeepers of popular culture are certainly hoping this happens.

Whats actually going on is a sharpening of differences between the secular and the Christian community, and the ones with the microphone are making the loudest noise.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 04:19:13 pm
[...]but astrology is a science.

LOL! No.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: XenaLee on October 31, 2018, 04:23:12 pm
I admit it is subjective, but I don't know a single Christian who didn't have a misspent yoot.
Several of my friends did hard time, many of them have seen the inside of County (including me), and *none* could claim to be ignorant of the back seat of a squad car.

To a degree, that is because kind finds kind, but the general premise that no one needs salvation in their own mind until they have created a severe train wreck in their own lives, cannot be denied...

And it is a whole lot more messy than the world would prefer to suppose. Most of them ol boys sitting in the pews have battle scars from their time in the world.

But there is an aspect to the OP that is pretty true.Most Christians don't get that they are in a war - A real and tangible war, right here on this physical plane. "New Age' is old as the hills, And Satanism in myriad form stalks Christians directly.

It is not uncommon to find curses and talismans hidden in churches - Effective counter operations that nearly the entirety of Christendom have become oblivious to. They have largely been taught to ignore the metaphysical, and that is a dire mistake.

I agree.  Most folks have no idea what we are really up against.  Even those that call themselves Christian aren't believers in an actual Hell or Satan.  As such, they make themselves extremely vulnerable to the realities of this life.

My neighbor is a case study in that.  If not for the fact that I know she's a Conservative Christian... I'd swear she was a classic clueless liberal.   She would never 'make it' on her own in this world (ie without her husband, who has already cheated on her once in the past).  By damned, if it was me, I'd have made shock sure that I knew about all of the finances, how to pay the bills (she doesn't know how), and how to be independent of that putz..... just in case.  Instead, she remains totally dependent. 

My youth was mostly misspent while married....and mostly consisted of smoking pot, doing shots at the local pub and frequenting concerts and gay clubs (hey, it was THE thing to do, THE place to be back then...lolol).  Other than that, it might be considered boring by some here.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 31, 2018, 04:34:14 pm
Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology

Because they are much less likely to be molested by a Ouija Board than if they took a trip to their local Catholic church.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 04:38:55 pm
Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology

Because they are much less likely to be molested by a Ouija Board than if they took a trip to their local Catholic church.

That is not true.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 31, 2018, 04:42:19 pm
That is not true.

Ouija Boards are touching kids in inappropriate ways?
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Jazzhead on October 31, 2018, 04:42:39 pm
The problem with religion is that it is tribal.  My God vs. your God.  My dogma vs. your dogma.  Violence and enmity in the name of religion continues to plague the world.

None of which, by the way, affects the yearning of most of us for enlightenment regarding spirituality and the nature of the human soul.   
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 04:43:23 pm
Ouija Boards are touching kids in inappropriate ways?

Nope. But the things ouija boards bring sure do.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 31, 2018, 04:45:53 pm
Nope. But the things ouija boards bring sure do.

Maybe in the metaphysical sense. The Catholics are doing it in a very physical sense.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 04:46:39 pm
enlightenment regarding spirituality and the nature of the human soul.   

Be careful of the Light Bringer.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 04:47:57 pm
Maybe in the metaphysical sense. The Catholics are doing it in a very physical sense.

Nope.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 31, 2018, 04:52:52 pm
Nope.

Yup.....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-leaves-pennsylvania-church-grappling-sense-betrayal-n902016 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-leaves-pennsylvania-church-grappling-sense-betrayal-n902016)
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2018, 04:55:25 pm
The problem with religion is that it is tribal.  My God vs. your God.  My dogma vs. your dogma.  Violence and enmity in the name of religion continues to plague the world.

None of which, by the way, affects the yearning of most of us for enlightenment regarding spirituality and the nature of the human soul.   

People are tribal.  That's simply a trendy, current, politically correct slam to accuse people of what they are.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 05:24:30 pm
Yup.....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-leaves-pennsylvania-church-grappling-sense-betrayal-n902016 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-leaves-pennsylvania-church-grappling-sense-betrayal-n902016)

Nope. What occurs to people messing with demons is not merely metaphysical.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Jazzhead on October 31, 2018, 05:25:33 pm
People are tribal.  That's simply a trendy, current, politically correct slam to accuse people of what they are.

I didn't realize the term was "trendy",  I've always thought the word was descriptive in a non-judgmental way.   Where we perhaps disagree is that I view tribalism as a problem because it is on the rise and increasingly seen by the left as a tool for dividing people and fundamentally changing the idea of what America is.   The American experiment was always about muting tribalism, by the legal ideal of equality under the law, by the cultural notion of ourselves as an ethnic "melting pot", and by the Constitutional guarantee of freedom of association and religion so that no one religion receives any sort of official imprimatur. 

But the left today is all about identity politics and the shattering of the melting pot and American exceptionalism.   And the rise of identity politics causes certain religions to be favored and others disfavored.   And, wrapped up in such identity politics (which some on the right have embraced as much or more so than the left), religion has only become more tribal and more aggressive.   

Give me the individual pursuit of a spiritual life over organized religion.   I don't need a faith community that requires me to conform to my tribe or reject those from other tribes;  I'll take my tribalism in more benign forms such as rooting for my favorite sports teams.    Christians,  Jews and Muslims all worship the same Abrahamic God,  and have been at each others' throats for a millennia.       
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on October 31, 2018, 05:27:28 pm
LOL! No.

@roamer_1

YIKES! I had astronomy,which is a science,mixed up with astrology,which is Black Magic BullBush.

My apologies to all.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on October 31, 2018, 05:28:38 pm
Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology

Because they are much less likely to be molested by a Ouija Board than if they took a trip to their local Catholic church.

@Frank Cannon

LOL,AND true to boot!
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 05:31:49 pm
@roamer_1

YIKES! I had astronomy,which is a science,mixed up with astrology,which is Black Magic BullBush.

My apologies to all.

Figgered as much, considering what I know of you.
But astrology, in the greater sense, is not without regard. It is ancient and goes right back to Babylon, literally. Not the fru-fru crap they put in the papers (total con job)... The real thing is dangerous.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 31, 2018, 06:16:02 pm
Nope. What occurs to people messing with demons is not merely metaphysical.

You say that as though you have some experience in the matter. Personally I didn't have the same results when these spirit boards were brought out in my youth.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on October 31, 2018, 06:18:54 pm
You say that as though you have some experience in the matter. Personally I didn't have the same results when these spirit boards were brought out in my youth.

P O T A T O C H

"OMG SATAN WANTS POTATO CHIPS!"
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2018, 06:20:19 pm
You say that as though you have some experience in the matter. Personally I didn't have the same results when these spirit boards were brought out in my youth.

Yes, I do.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 31, 2018, 06:30:37 pm
Yes, I do.

Really? Shit. Maybe I was using it wrong. I'll have to find my 10th grade girlfriend and give that thing another go.....and try her spirit board again too.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Suppressed on October 31, 2018, 08:04:49 pm
I think there are still enough Americans (mainstream America) that look to Christianity in America as what saves us from becoming one of those 3rd world cesspools.   I think you may be surprised this election to see evidence of that, in fact.  As long as Republicans embrace Christianity, they will continue to win, IMO.

Part of that is because . . .

Record turnout? Not for millennials — just a third say they'll vote.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,338513.msg1833796.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,338513.msg1833796.html)

The trouble is that even if voting is down, and there are political wins, the culture is changing away from Christianity.  As this story points out, younger folks have moved away from Christianity -- and they aren't moving more into Christianity as they age.  This doesn't bode well for the future, regardless of short-term political wins.

I'm not saying there should be movement away from Christianity.  But we should be cognizant of these changes and respond appropriately.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Blizzardnh on October 31, 2018, 08:57:24 pm
I'll have to find my 10th grade girlfriend and give that thing another go.....and try her spirit board again too.
You probably don't want to dig up that ole gal. you could ruin some memories.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2018, 09:06:13 pm
You probably don't want to dig up that ole gal. you could ruin some memories.

Yeah, for her.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sighlass on October 31, 2018, 09:36:30 pm
I think allegiance to Christianity is a net loss for Republicans these days.

Godless pushing governments... deaths attributed to them.

Chinese communists-76,702,000
Soviet Union-61,911,000
German Nazis-17,000,000
Chinese Nationalists-10,214,000
Japanese militarists-5,890,000
China(Mao Soviets 1923-49)-3,466,000
Cambodia-2,035,000
Turkey-1,883,000
Vietnam-1,670,000(most after the war by communist)
North Korea-1,663,000
Poland-1,585,000
Pakistan-1,503,000
Mexico(1900-20)-1,417,000
Yugoslavia-1,072,000
Russia(1900-17)-1,066,000

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH_C_MORTACRACIES.GIF (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH_C_MORTACRACIES.GIF)

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sighlass on October 31, 2018, 09:45:58 pm
That is not true.

Yep, if one was to name a profession, teachers would be the most dangerous....

But most are from friends, parents, kinfolks... Next is neighbors ... the closer a person can get to a kid the more likely for there to be problems.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201003/beyond-bad-apple-priests-who-the-pedophiles-really-are (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201003/beyond-bad-apple-priests-who-the-pedophiles-really-are)
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2018, 10:14:52 pm
Godless pushing governments... deaths attributed to them.

Chinese communists-76,702,000
Soviet Union-61,911,000
German Nazis-17,000,000
Chinese Nationalists-10,214,000
Japanese militarists-5,890,000
China(Mao Soviets 1923-49)-3,466,000
Cambodia-2,035,000
Turkey-1,883,000
Vietnam-1,670,000(most after the war by communist)
North Korea-1,663,000
Poland-1,585,000
Pakistan-1,503,000
Mexico(1900-20)-1,417,000
Yugoslavia-1,072,000
Russia(1900-17)-1,066,000

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH_C_MORTACRACIES.GIF (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH_C_MORTACRACIES.GIF)

Good list.  I'll keep a copy of that.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 08, 2018, 01:46:06 pm
They’re turning to this stuff for the same reasons people always have, and for the reason I was briefly intrigued in my early 20s.  If God isn’t in your life, you’re going to look elsewhere to try and fill that spiritual hole, to try and find some meaning.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 08, 2018, 02:04:39 pm
Ouija Boards are touching kids in inappropriate ways?

I personally know of two people who were affected in dark—no other way to put it—ways by those things.   One of them was the girl my husband was dating before he met me (I knew her at that time, too). She was a normal person who got involved with Ouija boards and the occult.

  That stuff drove her crazy.  My sister-in-law said her personality changed—morose, miserable, talking about death.   She slammed her fists on my (now) husband’s head while he was sleeping and tried to choke him.  Then tore a screen out of a window and tore holes in another.  He decided he needed to leave before he got too angry—the girl jumped onto the hood of his car, screaming and clawing at the windshield.

That stuff is real as hell, no pun intended.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 08, 2018, 03:31:18 pm
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Two pages of replies,and I have to state the obvious?

WAKE UP,PEOPLE! Witchcraft IS a religion!
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: DCPatriot on November 08, 2018, 03:37:20 pm
I always answer that with "Yield Right of Way".

Mine is "Slippery when wet".
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: dfwgator on November 08, 2018, 03:38:29 pm
Because they're morons.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: DCPatriot on November 08, 2018, 03:38:49 pm
Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology

Because they are much less likely to be molested by a Ouija Board than if they took a trip to their local Catholic church.

That's just mean, Frank!     happy77
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 08, 2018, 04:57:53 pm
Two ouija board stories:

1. Buddy of mine from High School and I roomed in the dorms first year of college. He went down the hall to join some people playing with the oujia board. He said they did the routine, and something came on who's name was 'AB' and it would keep repeating those two letters over and over. They didn't get much answers out of it, mostly just that autistic like repetition.

They were about to wind down when something else took over and spelled out: 'I AM AN ANGEL OF THE LORD. BURN THE BOARD NOW.' That's when he hiked out of there back to the room and told me the story immediately after.

2. Another buddy of mine years later who was a practicing Christian walked in on some younger friends or relatives playing with the board. He told them not to mess with that stuff and knock it off. After they left the room he put his hand on the board and said 'WHO ARE YOU?!?!'. He did that several times, and all the board would spell is 'F*** YOU!'. He finally told whatever it was to take a hike and get out of there, and that was the end of that.

And that is why I don't mess with those things.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: mirraflake on November 08, 2018, 05:02:18 pm
Two ouija board stories:

1. Buddy of mine from High School and I roomed in the dorms first year of college. He went down the hall to join some people playing with the oujia board. He said they did the routine, and something came on who's name was 'AB' and it would keep repeating those two letters over and over. They didn't get much answers out of it, mostly just that autistic like repetition.

They were about to wind down when something else took over and spelled out: 'I AM AN ANGEL OF THE LORD. BURN THE BOARD NOW.' That's when he hiked out of there back to the room and told me the story immediately after.

2. Another buddy of mine years later who was a practicing Christian walked in on some younger friends or relatives playing with the board. He told them not to mess with that stuff and knock it off. After they left the room he put his hand on the board and said 'WHO ARE YOU?!?!'. He did that several times, and all the board would spell is 'F*** YOU!'. He finally told whatever it was to take a hike and get out of there, and that was the end of that.

And that is why I don't mess with those things.

It is  $5.00 board game mass produced out of carboard and plastic. ..that is all it is.  No hokus pokus or other devily things.

@Free Vulcan
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 08, 2018, 05:08:15 pm
It is  $5.00 board game mass produced out of carboard and plastic. ..that is all it is.  No hokus pokus or other devily things.

@Free Vulcan

String theory predicts 10 dimensions, 6 beyond the normal space-time.

Science fiction poses theories of more powerful beings from other dimensionals all the time, and people are like 'Yeah, yeah, I can see that.'

It's very possible there could be dimensions behind this one that we don't see, with more powerful beings than ourselves. I've seen and heard too much to rule out the possibility.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on November 08, 2018, 05:11:06 pm
It's very possible there could be dimensions behind this one that we don't see, with more powerful beings than ourselves.

Yeah, but what are the odds you can contact them with a plastic game board?
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: mirraflake on November 08, 2018, 05:12:30 pm
String theory predicts 10 dimensions, 6 beyond the normal space-time.

Science fiction poses theories of more powerful beings from other dimensionals all the time, and people are like 'Yeah, yeah, I can see that.'

It's very possible there could be dimensions behind this one that we don't see, with more powerful beings than ourselves. I've seen and heard too much to rule out the possibility.

It's human hands pushing the object to subconsciously spell out what the person really wants to read.

@Free Vulcan

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 08, 2018, 05:23:54 pm
It's human hands pushing the object to subconsciously spell out what the person really wants to read.

@Free Vulcan

I've not found that theory to be consistent with stories I've heard/read. It's actually more voodoo to believe that.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: mirraflake on November 08, 2018, 05:30:03 pm
I've not found that theory to be consistent with stories I've heard/read. It's actually more voodoo to believe that.

If Ouji boards was really a portal to the underworld the gov't would cease parker Bros to stop making them and all the current ones would be placed in the giant cavern next to the Ark of The Covenant in Raiders Ark.

@Free Vulcan
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 08, 2018, 05:34:16 pm
Yeah, but what are the odds you can contact them with a plastic game board?

@Dexter

Why not?

Look, I get that a lot of people don't believe in evil nowadays, and by that I mean spiritual evil as described Biblically.  Even some Christians dismiss it. 

But if you believe that those particular forces/entities exist, and that they're looking to mislead human beings, the type of people who use Ouija boards are ripe.

Of course it isn't the piece of plastic that makes it possible; that's stupid.  It's the mindset of the people who are curious about things they should leave alone. 

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 08, 2018, 05:35:36 pm
If Ouji boards was really a portal to the underworld the gov't would cease parker Bros to stop making them and all the current ones would be placed in the giant cavern next to the Ark of The Covenant in Raiders Ark.

@Free Vulcan

I'm not sure many in govt believe in the underworld (they don't like things that compete with the State or Gaia) so I don't see them stepping up anytime soon.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on November 08, 2018, 05:37:20 pm
@Dexter

Why not?

Look, I get that a lot of people don't believe in evil nowadays, and by that I mean spiritual evil as described Biblically.  Even some Christians dismiss it. 

But if you believe that those particular forces/entities exist, and that they're looking to mislead human beings, the type of people who use Ouija boards are ripe.

Of course it isn't the piece of plastic that makes it possible; that's stupid.  It's the mindset of the people who are curious about things they should leave alone.

I guess. You'd find it just as possible to have a connection to those forces through some kind of ritual or whatever? Pentagram on the ground etc? I'm not being a jerk. If it's possible to contact otherworldly forces then what you're suggesting here is the most likely. It'd be your openness and willingness to be touched by those forces that would attract them, not a game board.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 08, 2018, 05:42:03 pm
I guess. You'd find it just as possible to have a connection to those forces through some kind of ritual or whatever? Pentagram on the ground etc? I'm not being a jerk. If it's possible to contact otherworldly forces then what you're suggesting here is the most likely. It'd be your openness and willingness to be touched by those forces that would attract them, not a game board.

Actually oujia boards are mild in that regard. I've read of full blown seances where it really gets out there.

From the gist of what you can glean from the Bible at least, that world is right behind ours. They can see us, we can't see them. It seems to take more work to keep them out than to invite them in.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 08, 2018, 06:39:01 pm
I guess. You'd find it just as possible to have a connection to those forces through some kind of ritual or whatever? Pentagram on the ground etc? I'm not being a jerk. If it's possible to contact otherworldly forces then what you're suggesting here is the most likely. It'd be your openness and willingness to be touched by those forces that would attract them, not a game board.

@Dexter

I know you're not being a jerk.  Yes, people mess around and get in trouble with the occult in all kinds of ways.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 08, 2018, 06:45:37 pm
If Ouji boards was really a portal to the underworld the gov't would cease parker Bros to stop making them and all the current ones would be placed in the giant cavern next to the Ark of The Covenant in Raiders Ark.

@Free Vulcan

@mirraflake

You mean the government that recognizes Wiccans and pagans in the military, and in one state allowed a statue of Satan to be temporarily erected on the grounds of the capitol?  This isn't a theocracy.  They wouldn't care if they even believed it, and the majority of them don't.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on November 08, 2018, 09:15:46 pm
I guess. You'd find it just as possible to have a connection to those forces through some kind of ritual or whatever? Pentagram on the ground etc? I'm not being a jerk.

Yes - There are rituals, and they are effective.

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If it's possible to contact otherworldly forces then what you're suggesting here is the most likely. It'd be your openness and willingness to be touched by those forces that would attract them, not a game board.

Not exactly true. Yes it is a matter of will. But there is no doubt that objects can be demonically charged too. Ouija is a simple means, with a simple ritual... Think of it in the same way as an English primer book for children.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: GtHawk on November 09, 2018, 05:51:09 pm
Do you know part of the reason Millennials get so much hate? Stuff like this:

Have you ever heard of the 70's? Or the 90's? This is the third time recycled for this crap, yet Millennials think it is all so funky superfly new and cool while they lionize themselves over their supposed open mindedness. It's bad enough to sell the BS, worse to believe it.

But I will say I don't see this in the Midwest. The 80's seem to rule more here and the hippy-witchy stuff is out, thank goodness.
Oh, yeah it's so modern and mainline .................again! I remember my mother taking classes in astrology in the early 70's but she never once considered it as any sort of religion, and all you have to do is look back at old movies to see astrology and spiritualism displayed to know it was common back in the 30's and 40's. Now I haven't really traveled hardly anywhere, but where I have in the U.S. there has invariably been at least one place place advertising astrology/spiritualism/numerology  because there are always suckers with money. Hell anyone that ever watched Dragnet learned that these are multi state scams! As for witchcraft, there have always been followers, there will always be people looking for a way to get something without actually earning it.

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Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: GtHawk on November 09, 2018, 05:58:16 pm
Yeah, but what are the odds you can contact them with a plastic game board?
About the same as getting something useful from astrology or crystals, or spiritualism.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 09, 2018, 09:36:02 pm
Oh, yeah it's so modern and mainline .................again! I remember my mother taking classes in astrology in the early 70's but she never once considered it as any sort of religion, and all you have to do is look back at old movies to see astrology and spiritualism displayed to know it was common back in the 30's and 40's. Now I haven't really traveled hardly anywhere, but where I have in the U.S. there has invariably been at least one place place advertising astrology/spiritualism/numerology  because there are always suckers with money. Hell anyone that ever watched Dragnet learned that these are multi state scams! As for witchcraft, there have always been followers, there will always be people looking for a way to get something without actually earning it.

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@GtHawk

It's even older than that.  In the Old Testament, the Israelites are warned to leave it alone.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: 240B on November 09, 2018, 09:43:16 pm
I tried to watch that American Horror Story - Apocalypse but had way too much very explicit Satan worship in it for me.  That stuff does seem to be 'normalized' today in American hipster culture. But it makes me uncomfortable. I have no desire to fool around with it at all, even if it is just a TV show.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 09, 2018, 09:56:44 pm
I tried to watch that American Horror Story - Apocalypse but had way too much very explicit Satan worship in it for me.  That stuff does seem to be 'normalized' today in American hipster culture. But it makes me uncomfortable. I have no desire to fool around with it at all, even if it is just a TV show.

@240B

I like horror, but I've never watched AHS for that reason.  It looks really dark.

I watched the last season of Salem, and it skirted around the edges at times.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: 240B on November 09, 2018, 10:13:03 pm
@240B

I like horror, but I've never watched AHS for that reason.  It looks really dark.

I watched the last season of Salem, and it skirted around the edges at times.
There are no edges this time. The show is like watching an actual evangelical religious service for Satan. It is like watching Passion of the Christ, only it is about Satan and the antiChrist instead.  Very strong religious theme, only like the article says, it is on the other side. That seems to be in vogue these days.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: dfwgator on November 09, 2018, 10:16:50 pm
There are no edges this time. The show is like watching an actual evangelical religious service for Satan. It is like watching Passion of the Christ, only it is about Satan and the antiChrist instead.  Very strong religious theme, only like the article says, it is on the other side. That seems to be in vogue these days.

The real problem is "watered-down" Christianity, that is far more harmful than the Satanic stuff.

I remember a quote from a Pastor who talked about when Satan takes over a town, he said that "There would be no pornography,   people would be kind to each other, and the Churches would be packed every Sunday......where Christ is not preached."
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on November 09, 2018, 10:25:56 pm
@GtHawk

It's even older than that.  In the Old Testament, the Israelites are warned to leave it alone.

Many, many, many times.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 09, 2018, 10:38:03 pm
I tried to watch that American Horror Story - Apocalypse but had way too much very explicit Satan worship in it for me.  That stuff does seem to be 'normalized' today in American hipster culture. But it makes me uncomfortable. I have no desire to fool around with it at all, even if it is just a TV show.

@240B

I understand it makes you uncomfortable,but Satan worship is not becoming popular. This is just young people doing what young people always do,try to be hip and cool by adopting anything trendy. Doesn't mean a thing.

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Axeslinger on November 09, 2018, 10:47:50 pm
@240B

I understand it makes you uncomfortable,but Satan worship is not becoming popular. This is just young people doing what young people always do,try to be hip and cool by adopting anything trendy. Doesn't mean a thing.

They should be real counter culture rebels and try to be a Christian...
Just sayin’
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 10, 2018, 09:18:01 am
They should be real counter culture rebels and try to be a Christian...
Just sayin’

@Axeslinger

Joining The Borg is the exact opposite of being rebellious.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Gefn on November 10, 2018, 09:27:36 am
Two ouija board stories:

1. Buddy of mine from High School and I roomed in the dorms first year of college. He went down the hall to join some people playing with the oujia board. He said they did the routine, and something came on who's name was 'AB' and it would keep repeating those two letters over and over. They didn't get much answers out of it, mostly just that autistic like repetition.

They were about to wind down when something else took over and spelled out: 'I AM AN ANGEL OF THE LORD. BURN THE BOARD NOW.' That's when he hiked out of there back to the room and told me the story immediately after.

2. Another buddy of mine years later who was a practicing Christian walked in on some younger friends or relatives playing with the board. He told them not to mess with that stuff and knock it off. After they left the room he put his hand on the board and said 'WHO ARE YOU?!?!'. He did that several times, and all the board would spell is 'F*** YOU!'. He finally told whatever it was to take a hike and get out of there, and that was the end of that.

And that is why I don't mess with those things.

I once played with one in junior high during a slumber party. I don’t know if someone was moving the planchette or not but it scared the poop out of me.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Axeslinger on November 10, 2018, 12:41:43 pm
@Axeslinger

Joining The Borg is the exact opposite of being rebellious.
Not in today’s society it ain’t....your personal views notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on November 10, 2018, 07:47:06 pm
They should be real counter culture rebels and try to be a Christian...
Just sayin’

I had a similar epiphany - When everyone is a rebel, then rebellion is conformity... Try and stretch your head around that one...
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on November 11, 2018, 03:09:37 pm
I don't think it's about being rebellious, not in this instance anyway. I think they just don't believe in it.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on November 11, 2018, 03:30:57 pm
I don't think it's about being rebellious, not in this instance anyway. I think they just don't believe in it.

"It"?  What it is it that they don't believe in.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on November 11, 2018, 03:49:13 pm
"It"?  What it is it that they don't believe in.

Religion.

I don't think young people are turning away from it because they want to be rebels. I think they just don't believe in it.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on November 11, 2018, 03:54:54 pm
Religion.

I don't think young people are turning away from it because they want to be rebels. I think they just don't believe in it.

And, in doing so, they turn away from God.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on November 11, 2018, 04:20:34 pm
And, in doing so, they turn away from God.

... And toward the Fallen.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: dfwgator on November 11, 2018, 04:22:18 pm
I had a similar epiphany - When everyone is a rebel, then rebellion is conformity... Try and stretch your head around that one...

Kind of like tattoos.

People used to get tattoos to stand out.

Now they get them to conform.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2018, 04:26:57 pm
And, in doing so, they turn away from God.

@Sanguine

Much like turning aside from Superman,another mythical creature.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on November 11, 2018, 04:30:21 pm
Kind of like tattoos.

People used to get tattoos to stand out.

Now they get them to conform.

Crazy, ain't it? Everything is upside down.  *****rollingeyes***** :shrug:
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on November 11, 2018, 04:30:26 pm
@Sanguine

Much like turning aside from Superman,another mythical creature.

@sneakypete, you'd best hope you are correct.

I'm not sure why you post on these threads.  You spend a whole lot of time and effort denying that which you say doesn't exist.  If you really believe that, why bother?
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: roamer_1 on November 11, 2018, 04:31:33 pm
@Sanguine

Much like turning aside from Superman,another mythical creature.

The sad part of that is that you don't know how right you are.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2018, 05:06:33 pm
@sneakypete, you'd best hope you are correct.

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I'm not sure why you post on these threads.


@Sanguine

For the same reasons I counter the propaganda spread by communists,to speak uncomfortable truths to free people.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 11, 2018, 05:22:31 pm
@Sanguine

Much like turning aside from Superman,another mythical creature.

@sneakypete

Pete, maybe you should honestly ask yourself why you’re so hostile toward something you say doesn’t even exist. 

Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 11, 2018, 05:23:45 pm
@sneakypete, you'd best hope you are correct.

I'm not sure why you post on these threads.  You spend a whole lot of time and effort denying that which you say doesn't exist.  If you really believe that, why bother?

@Sanguine

Oops, sorry—you already said it, lol.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 11, 2018, 05:26:45 pm



@Sanguine

For the same reasons I counter the propaganda spread by communists,to speak uncomfortable truths to free people.

@sneakypete

That’s not it; in fact, the comparison doesn’t hold water.  Communism is responsible for the deaths of 100 million people and the enslavement of more.  The Christian faith just really bothers you.

There’s a reason for it, but it’s deep inside.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on November 11, 2018, 05:51:03 pm



@Sanguine

For the same reasons I counter the propaganda spread by communists,to speak uncomfortable truths to free people.

That's great and all, oh Sole Purveyor of Truth, but you ignored this bit:  "You spend a whole lot of time and effort denying that which you say doesn't exist.  If you really believe that, why bother?"

@sneakypete
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2018, 08:42:40 pm
@sneakypete

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That’s not it; in fact, the comparison doesn’t hold water.  Communism is responsible for the deaths of 100 million people and the enslavement of more.
 

@CatherineofAragon

ROFLMAO! That means Communism comes in a distant 2nd place to Christianity.

Truth to tell,Communism seems to have stolen the ideas of Christianity,and used them as a pattern. The prime difference is they substituted Marx for Christ.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2018, 08:43:41 pm
That's great and all, oh Sole Purveyor of Truth, but you ignored this bit:  "You spend a whole lot of time and effort denying that which you say doesn't exist.  If you really believe that, why bother?"

@sneakypete

@Sanguine

Because religious loons are a threat to freedom everywhere.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Dexter on November 11, 2018, 09:02:24 pm
@Sanguine

Because religious loons are a threat to freedom everywhere.

I think the religious element of conservatism has become an albatross. That being said I don't ascribe to atheism for the same reasons why I don't ascribe to religion. I simply accept that I don't and never will know the true nature of the universe. If you are an atheist let me just say there are one billion trillion stars in the universe and four times as many planets. We are so tiny. How could we possibly know that nothing supernatural exists in this universe that in so many ways is beyond our tiny comprehension?
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2018, 09:12:41 pm
I think the religious element of conservatism has become an albatross. That being said I don't ascribe to atheism for the same reasons why I don't ascribe to religion.

@Dexter

Atheism is nothing less than another form of Religion.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Sanguine on November 11, 2018, 09:36:39 pm
@Dexter

Atheism is nothing less than another form of Religion.

Up to including proselytizing.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 12, 2018, 12:56:59 am
 


@CatherineofAragon

ROFLMAO! That means Communism comes in a distant 2nd place to Christianity.

Truth to tell,Communism seems to have stolen the ideas of Christianity,and used them as a pattern. The prime difference is they substituted Marx for Christ.

@sneakypete

Pete, that's a DU argument, and it's as wrong here as when leftists try it.

Lay out some facts about the more than 100 million killed by Christians.  Let's see them.

The teachings of Karl Marx have zero to do with the teachings of Christ.  I've never seen even a leftist try to claim that one.

You can be as hostile toward Christianity as you want, but you need more than a nonsense argument.
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 12, 2018, 02:12:42 am
@sneakypete

@CatherineofAragon

>>Pete, that's a DU argument, and it's as wrong here as when leftists try it.<<

Even DU can get something right every 10 years or so.



>>Lay out some facts about the more than 100 million killed by Christians.  Let's see them. <<

Start with the Old Testament,and work your way up through the Crusades. While you are at it,don't fall in love with the 100 million number because the PERCENTAGE numbers of those executed in God's Name are higher when compared to the total population number at the time.


>>The teachings of Karl Marx have zero to do with the teachings of Christ. <<

Right. Christ wasn't into socialism and sharing your food and possessions. Nor was God well-known for being open-minded and loving. Remember,according to YOUR instruction book,he is the dude that created Hell so the people who disagreed with him could suffer from unbelievable pain and torture for all of eternity. Not even Stalin or Mao could touch that one.

Are you SURE you have read the Bible?


 >>I've never seen even a leftist try to claim that one.<<

Most likely you refused to listen. The ironic part is the commies would have been as outraged and shocked as you if you had to told them that Marx stole his main ideas from the Bible.

>>You can be as hostile toward Christianity as you want, but you need more than a nonsense argument.<<

There is nothing special about Christianity. It is no better or more evil than any other religion.

 
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 12, 2018, 06:07:27 am


@sneakypete

Well, I could give you statistics, but your mind is made up, so it would be a waste of time.  We aren't going to change each other's minds.

But among the other things you get wrong here, you don't even know why hell was created.  You don't know what you're talking about, Pete.

Will you please learn how to format your damn posts already!
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: sneakypete on November 12, 2018, 06:29:02 am
@sneakypete

Well, I could give you statistics, but your mind is made up, so it would be a waste of time.  We aren't going to change each other's minds.

But among the other things you get wrong here, you don't even know why hell was created.  You don't know what you're talking about, Pete.

Will you please learn how to format your damn posts already!

@CatherineofAragon

I have no interest in changing your mind. Free world,believe what you want to believe.

I am getting tired of you bitching about my formatting every time I get you mad,though. Grow up!
Title: Re: Why millennials are ditching religion for witchcraft and astrology
Post by: Silver Pines on November 12, 2018, 06:32:53 am
@CatherineofAragon

I have no interest in changing your mind. Free world,believe what you want to believe.

I am getting tired of you bitching about my formatting every time I get you mad,though. Grow up!

@sneakypete

Bullcrap, you've been here longer than me.  You should know how to do it by now.  It makes quoting your posts a pain.

Make sure you start typing after the last bracket of the "[/quote]" at the end.