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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on September 04, 2020, 12:41:21 am
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Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.
Jeffrey Goldberg
5:32 PM ET
When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly†and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.
Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.†In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers†for getting killed.
From the April 2020 issue: The president is winning his war on American institutions
Belleau Wood is a consequential battle in American history, and the ground on which it was fought is venerated by the Marine Corps. America and its allies stopped the German advance toward Paris there in the spring of 1918. But Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?†He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies.
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Trump’s understanding of concepts such as patriotism, service, and sacrifice have interested me since he expressed contempt for the war record of the late Senator John McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. “He’s not a war hero,†Trump said in 2015 while running for the Republican nomination for president. “I like people who weren’t captured.â€
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/)
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Keith Kellogg
@generalkellogg
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The Atlantic story is completely false. Absolutely lacks merit. I’ve been by the President’s side. He has always shown the highest respect to our active duty troops and veterans with utmost respect paid to those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and those wounded in battle.
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Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
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2m
I refuse to be lectured on my president's support for our troops from the party that let Benghazi happen and then tried to cover it up.
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J. Hogan Gidley
@JHoganGidley
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My response to the horrible lies from anonymous “sources†in the Atlantic:
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David French
@DavidAFrench
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Not one source. Four sources "with firsthand knowledge" say he said this
uh huh....no named sources..
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Chuck Ross
@ChuckRossDC
No idea if this story based on anonymous sources is right/wrong, but I’m disinclined to trust Goldberg’s judgement
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Chuck Ross
@ChuckRossDC
No idea if this story based on anonymous sources is right/wrong, but I’m disinclined to trust Goldberg’s judgement
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Anti-Left
@Fuckgsw2
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Replying to
@ChuckRossDC
Why would they sit on this story for 2 years? It’s from 2018
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They're recycling crap now ... crap that didn't stick the first time they threw it at Trump and will certainly not stick now.
Jackasses.
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What utter poppycock! Unbelievable...how far they'll go to destroy this President. That alone should tell us to re-elect this man. He has all the right enemies.
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What utter poppycock! Unbelievable...how far they'll go to destroy this President. That alone should tell us to re-elect this man. He has all the right enemies.
:thumbsup:
POTUS LOVES MILITARY AND VETERANS. HE HIMSELF WAS 4 YEARS IN MILITARY SCHOOL, MENTORED BY A GENERAL.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM). He never said such a thing or thought it. It sounds like what obama would say.
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Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.
Jeffrey Goldberg
5:32 PM ET
When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly†and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.
Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.†In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers†for getting killed.
From the April 2020 issue: The president is winning his war on American institutions
Belleau Wood is a consequential battle in American history, and the ground on which it was fought is venerated by the Marine Corps. America and its allies stopped the German advance toward Paris there in the spring of 1918. But Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?†He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies.
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Trump’s understanding of concepts such as patriotism, service, and sacrifice have interested me since he expressed contempt for the war record of the late Senator John McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. “He’s not a war hero,†Trump said in 2015 while running for the Republican nomination for president. “I like people who weren’t captured.â€
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/)
One of the things Obama did was remove a law about slander on public figures. THAT IT SHOULD BE, ALLOWED. HERE IT IS. TOTAL LIES. This article is so disgusting and untrue.
I remember that. It WAS RAINING. There is a video and SS did not want him attending as there was a 'hit' out on POTUS.THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE SUED. SS did not tell POTUS or public about the attempt. Why would they?
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When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly†and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.= ARTICLE BOLD FACED LIE. BOTH CLAIMS WERE CORECT. Zero to do with his hair. We have seen it fly in the wind.
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Trump visits Suresnes American Cemetery near Paris to mark Veterans Day
191 views•Nov 16, 2018
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:thumbsup:
POTUS LOVES MILITARY AND VETERANS. HE HIMSELF WAS 4 YEARS IN MILITARY SCHOOL, MENTORED BY A GENERAL.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM). He never said such a thing or thought it. It sounds like what obama would say.
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Goldberg is a #NeverTrumper, a Globalist hack.
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The hatred is consuming these Democommies. For Biden to meet with a follower of Farrakan is insane, but reveals just how desperate they are.
Biden basically is the leader of the anarchists, because he has never denied them.
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The Atlantic Peddles Total Fake News to Smear Trump and Torpedo His Relationship with the Military
I mean, are they this desperate? Is the liberal media that nervous about Trump winning again? Because it would seem that they are throwing all the things against the wall to slow the momentum. The Atlantic is the first batter up, peddling a totally unverifiable story that President Trump has mocked and denigrated those who have served and died for this country. Yeah, they actually thought this would stick. The U.S. Military loves Trump, by the way. I don’t really see the point behind this story other than some pathetic attempt to smear the man yet again. Oh, and we have the anonymous sources, those shadowy folks with “firsthand knowledge.â€
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/09/04/the-atlantic-peddles-total-fake-news-to-smear-trump-and-torpedo-his-relationship-n2575641
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The desperation is transparent in the media’s 5-years long GET TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE campaign. They think we’re stupid. Their propaganda isn’t working like it used to.
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The desperation is transparent in the media’s 5-years long GET TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE campaign. They think we’re stupid. Their propaganda isn’t working like it used to.
The die hard never trumpers and the weak minded will believe it.
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Looks like his source was either romney or Kelly Ann's wife.... husband...
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Looks like his source was either romney or Kelly Ann's wife.... husband...
possibly
Amarosa or bolton.
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possibly
Amarosa or bolton.
Bolton
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Bolton
Bolton, himself refuted it in his book:
Bolton who is a prominent Trump critic, months ago in his memoir “The Room Where It Happened.†On the canceled trip to Aisne-Marne he wrote:
On Saturday, I went to the U.S. Ambassador’s residence, where Trump was staying, to brief him for his bilateral with [French President Emmanuel Macron]. The weather was bad and [former Chief of Staff John Kelly] and I spoke about whether to travel as planned to the Chateau-Thierry Belleau Woods monuments and nearby American Cemeteries, where many U.S. World War I were buried. Marine One’s crew were saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit but very hard for a Marine like Kelly to recommend, having originally been the one to suggest Belleau Wood (an iconic battle in Marine Corps history). Trump agreed, and it was decided that others would drive to the cemetery instead.
Bolton continued:
The press turned canceling the military visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were President of the United States, but the press didn’t understand that rules for US presidents are different from the rules for 190 other leaders who don’t command the world’s greatest military forces.
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Dan Bongino Retweeted
Reagan Battalion
@ReaganBattalion
Okay, this is just flat out disgusting bulls**t!
How do we know? Anyone who has ever been to a Trump rally has seen how @realDonaldTrump always makes a huge deal if he spots a wounded vet in the crowd.
But since Jeffry is an Obama shill he probably never attended a Trump rally.
Video: https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1301696442986369026
9:39 PM · Sep 3, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Ad from votevets that was ready to go.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1301908480241131520
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From what I have seen even Brian Stelter is demanding them release the sources
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John Bolton says he didn't hear Trump insult fallen soldiers in France
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/515132-john-bolton-says-he-didnt-hear-trump-insult-fallen-soldiers-in-france
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On the Record: Sources Traveling with Donald Trump Deny ‘The Atlantic’ Story
Charlie Spiering4 Sep 202014
4:12
Current and former officials who were with President Donald Trump on his 2018 trip to Paris denied, on the record, a story published by the Atlantic, which cited anonymous sources that claim Trump described America’s fallen heroes as “suckers†and “losers.â€
The Atlantic story cited anonymous sources who claimed that Trump did not want to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery at the site of the Battle of Belleau Wood during his visit to Paris in 2018 and that he was worried about his hair in the rain. The sources also claimed that Trump said the cemetery was “filled with losers†and that the Marines who died at Belleau Wood were “suckers†for being killed.
The trip to the cemetery was canceled last-minute due to rain and fog preventing Marine One from safely taking the trip from Paris to the cemetery. It was also reportedly prohibitively difficult to travel 50 miles to the site via motorcade because it would require widescale traffic shutdowns in some of the busiest parts of Paris.
Jordan Karem, the president’s former body man who was present during the trip, weighed in on Twitter.
“This is not even close to being factually accurate. Plain and simple, it just never happened,†Karem wrote. “Again, this is 100 percent false. I was next to the president the whole day! The President was greatly disappointed when told we couldn’t fly there. He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes.â€
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/04/on-record-sources-traveling-donald-trump-deny-atlantic-story/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/04/on-record-sources-traveling-donald-trump-deny-atlantic-story/)
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Biden had an ad ready to go.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1301913914922299393
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‘Put up or shut up’: McCain son-in-law defends Trump, as pressure builds for The Atlantic to give up its sources
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Ben Domenech
@bdomenech
I'm confident I have better sources within this White House than @JeffreyGoldberg, and I expect that upon investigation his anonymously sourced story will live up to the quality we can expect from The Atlantic under his leadership.
8:47 PM · Sep 3, 2020
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/04/put-up-or-shut-up-mccain-son-in-law-defends-trump-as-pressure-builds-for-the-atlantic-to-give-up-its-sources-968145 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/04/put-up-or-shut-up-mccain-son-in-law-defends-trump-as-pressure-builds-for-the-atlantic-to-give-up-its-sources-968145)
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This is worse than what Dan Rather tried to do in '04
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Bolton Burns Anti-Trumpers
Stunning Rejection of Atlantic ’Bombshell’
‘I Was There’… ‘I Didn’t Hear That’
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The president also got some defense from Ben Domenech, co-founder of The Federalist and McCain’s son-in-law.
“I’m confident I have better sources within this White House than @JeffreyGoldberg, and I expect that upon investigation his anonymously sourced story will live up to the quality we can expect from The Atlantic under his leadership,†he wrote on Twitter.
Man that must have been hard for him to write. But good on him for doing it. Goldberg is a huge douche bag
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The Atlantic’s Goldberg Defends Trump Piece — ‘Extensively Sourced and Entirely Accurate’
Pam Key4 Sep 202055
1:42
Editor-in-chief of The Atlantic magazine, Jeffrey Goldberg, defended his article claiming President Donald Trump said Americans who died in war were “losers†and “suckers†Friday on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports.â€
President Donald Trump denied the story saying, “It’s a fake story, and it’s a disgrace they’re allowed to do it.â€
Goldberg said, “It is not fake, it is real. This story is extensively sourced and entirely accurate. That’s all I can say. This is not the first time, of course — certainly not the first time today that the president has cast aspersions on journalism that doesn’t reflect well on him. So his reaction is completely predictable.â€
He added, “You’re right, it’s very vigorous, and I think that these vigorous denials are motivated by a realization —I think you were talking about this earlier in your show— a realization that these kinds of comments that he’s made really don’t reflect well on him among a certain kind of voter he actually needs very much in a couple of months. So I think that’s a little bit of the energy there, is from that realization.â€
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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/09/04/the-atlantics-goldberg-defends-trump-piece-extensively-sourced-and-entirely-accurate/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/09/04/the-atlantics-goldberg-defends-trump-piece-extensively-sourced-and-entirely-accurate/)
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Multiple people who were there - including Bolton, who has less than zero love for Trump - have gone on the record publicly and said the story is false. Meanwhile Goldberg's sources remain annoymorous.
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Trump's ememies have now resorted to full blown fabrications. Actually a good sign showing they realize that Biden is in free-fall.
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Bolton Burns Anti-Trumpers
Stunning Rejection of Atlantic ’Bombshell’
‘I Was There’… ‘I Didn’t Hear That’
And that is from a Trump enemy. Doesn't this country have laws around libel and slander?
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And that is from a Trump enemy. Doesn't this country have laws around libel and slander?
Yes, and if anyone on earth would sue over it, it will be Trump... hope he does
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This was a classic Friday “news†dump. This “blockbuster†was designed and prepared ahead of time, down to having an ad ready to go and planned for launch just before the long Labor Day weekend.
Folks will be serving up more than just juicy burgers around the barbecue. There’s rumors, gossip, whispering campaigns. This sorta thing worked like a charm in past elections. Will it this time?
((Shhh, keep your voice low as you approach the swamp. If you’re quiet you might catch the sound of the common conspiracy snake))
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Esper defends Trump amid fallen troops firestorm
Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Friday that President Trump respects U.S. service members amid growing furor over a report that said Trump disparaged fallen U.S. troops as “losers†and “suckers.â€
"President Trump has the highest respect and admiration for our nation's military members, veterans and families,†Esper said in a brief statement. “That is why he has fought for greater pay and more funding for our armed forces.â€
Esper’s statement offers support to Trump as fury toward the president grows, but it notably does not directly deny Trump made the alleged comments.
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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/515171-esper-defends-trump-amid-fallen-troops-firestorm
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Goldberg Says He Kept Sources Anonymous Because People Would Be Mean On Twitter
https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/04/jeffrey-goldberg-atlantic-twitter-anonymous-sources/
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And that is from a Trump enemy. Doesn't this country have laws around libel and slander?
I don't believe Trump said this. He absolutely says some off the wall statements that incriminate him with the press...but not this.
Yes he disparaged McCain...the hatred between the two was deep. But even then, he sent the plane to fly him to his extended funeral.
I truly believe he loves the troops and veterans.
Nobody comes out and says...yeah that what he said and my name is (blank).
I know that Bolton is persona non grata on this site, but I still like him. Even he said it is bunk.
Biden takes umbrage...severe umbrage over a statement, probably not even made. Makes me suspicious.
Lastly, Trump loves flattering press events. For whatever reason (hang the picture on his wall?). He wouldn't have cancelled. (Don't beat me up too hard for
what will be perceived as Anti-Trump. It's not. It is what is is.
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I don't believe Trump said this. He absolutely says some off the wall statements that incriminate him with the press...but not this.
Which is exactly why the Left gets away with it. There's enough people out there who think, "I can just imagine Trump saying something like this."
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Trump has to deal with all of those out there who have spent years in Public Service, who are insanely jealous of the fact, that he just waltzed in from the Private Sector.
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Swig
@OldRowSwig
The media doesn’t want you to see this.
Video: https://twitter.com/OldRowSwig/status/1301734357166698497
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thebradfordfileâ„¢
@thebradfordfile
I'm old enough to remember Democrats being enraged Trump wanted to have a parade honoring our military heroes.
2:43 PM · Sep 4, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1301954094702243841
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
You never disappoint.
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations; so a direct and simple question? At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches, at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump. Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
Are military members permitted to get involved in politics involving the CIC?? (Serious question)
@Wingnut @txradioguy @Bigun @sneakypete
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
You're asking why a uniformed service member, presumably one who wasn’t on hand at the alleged event, doesn't offer Trump an unsolicited defense against a political hit piece? How would that work, exactly?
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I declare b.s. on this one. Trump has displayed more patriotism and concern for veterans and our military than recent presidents. I remember well his pre-inaugural festivities; the display of patriotism had me in tears for it had been many years that, that kind of patriotism was on display. Trump calling or vets 'losers and suckers', I'm just not buying into.
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Exactly. The contrast is obvious.
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
I could be totally wrong, and if I am please correct me, but I don't think the military is allowed to speak out against, or for, the CIC while they are on active duty?
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Why was this released today...aha...voting starts today in several states..
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Many years ago Donald Trump helped save NYC’s Veterans Day parade. Yeah, Donald Trump disrespects veterans. Ignore your eyes and ears. Orange man bad.
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
Whether you are a Trump fan or not, President Donald Trump IS our President and to blatantly lie about the man in this way is shameful and disgusting. These lies should bother anyone who has an ounce of patriotism in their soul.
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Whether you are a Trump fan or not, President Donald Trump IS our President and to blatantly lie about the man in this way is shameful and disgusting. These lies should bother anyone who has an ounce of patriotism in their soul.
These lies should bother anyone who has an ounce of decency in their soul.
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Why was this released today...aha...voting starts today in several states..
I think it's more that Biden is dropping like a stone in water. All they have in there arsenal are personal attacks on the man. I don't know how the President stands it. I think this lie hurt him to his core.
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
The people saying it didn't happen were there when the decision not to go to the Belleau Wood cemetery was made. That they are civilians or military is irrelevant.
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Retired lieutenant general: Military members are 'furious' over Trump war dead report
Retired Lt. General Mark Hertling said in a CNN interview that he has spoken with active military as well as veterans who are "furious" after it was reported that President Trump called fallen soldiers "losers" and "suckers."
"It's tough to speak out right now if you're an active-duty serving general officer," Hertling told CNN's Don Lemon while discussing the reaction to Trump's alleged comments. "By not saying anything they're saying a lot."
His comment comes after The Atlantic reported that Trump canceled a trip to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018 because he was worried his hair would become disheveled by the rain, and openly asked senior staff why he should go to a cemetery that is filled with “losers.â€
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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/515217-retired-lieutenant-general-military-members-are-furious-over-trump-war-dead
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Retired lieutenant general: Military members are 'furious' over Trump war dead report
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This what they (Goldberg and the HAclantic) wanted.
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You're asking why a uniformed service member, presumably one who wasn’t on hand at the alleged event, doesn't offer Trump an unsolicited defense against a political hit piece? How would that work, exactly?
"Innocent by association?"
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Whether you are a Trump fan or not, President Donald Trump IS our President and to blatantly lie about the man in this way is shameful and disgusting. These lies should bother anyone who has an ounce of patriotism in their soul.
Some of us are praying for a Trump loss, just show off their great big giant brains to say "I told you so! " it's easy to guess who they are.
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"Innocent by association?"
At least he's honest enough to use the lie in an oblique manner, and not directly.
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At least he's honest enough to use the lie in an oblique manner, and not directly.
He is on edge. It is hard to balance.
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He is on edge. It is hard to balance.
He's too clever by a third.
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The time has come to make it much easier to sue for libel and slander, even if one is a public figure.
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Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
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Regarding McCain, "The President just hated John McCain. He always asked, 'Why do you see him as a hero?" Two sources confirmed the President did not want flags lowered but others in the White House ordered them at half mast. There was a stand off and then the President relented.
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
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Regarding Trump's July 4th military parade, during a planning session at the White House after seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017, the President said regarding the inclusion of "wounded guys" "that's not a good look" "Americans don't like that," source confirms.
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
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Two former sr Trump admin officials confirm .@JeffreyGoldberg
reporting that President Trump disparaged veterans and did not want to drive to honor American war dead at Aisne-Marne Cemetery outside Paris.
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
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Replying to
@JenGriffinFNC
President Trump's staff explained he could cancel (his visit to the cemetery), but he was warned, 'They (the press) are going to kill you for this'." The President was mad as a hornet when they did.
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
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When asked IF the President could have driven to the Aisne-Marne Cemetery, this former official said confidently:
"The President drives a lot. The other world leaders drove to the cemeteries. He just didn't want to go."
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The time has come to make it much easier to sue for libel and slander, even if one is a public figure.
I agree ... but as it stands now there are a different set of rules for the GOP and a different set of rules for the DEM. I don't see that changing. IF anything the MSM should be held accountable for their fake news and they aren't.
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
Your last question is a head scratcher. Guilty until someone proves him innocent?
Maybe Trump said this. Maybe he didn't. But all we have is some claiming he said it and others who deny it. Until he's caught on a hot mic or someone recorded him saying this, I give Trump the president benefit of the doubt
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
Because the military are not supposed to come out either way when it comes to politics..
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Your last question is a head scratcher. Guilty until someone proves him innocent?
Maybe Trump said this. Maybe he didn't. But all we have is some claiming he said it and others who deny it. Until he's caught on a hot mic or someone recorded him saying this, I give Trump the president benefit of the doubt
At first they tried to imply Trump was dissing the soldiers buried in the graves in France. Then when it blew up, they made up he was referring to Vietnam.
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At first they tried to imply Trump was dissing the soldiers buried in the graves in France. Then when it blew up, they made up he was referring to Vietnam.
The way I saw it too.
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This has the smell of every sensational claim that didn't pan out over the last four years. WWI was a total cluster. I don't believe he used these terms, but can imagine him questioning our involvement.
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Are military members permitted to get involved in politics involving the CIC?? (Serious question)
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An extremely serious retort!!!
Our Officer Class is bound by the maxim "DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY" the moment they swear their Oath, which emphatically transcends 'politics'; the obsession of the neurotics of society.
By the way, since my question was addressed directly to you, why was it necessary to call out
the fan club posse???
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At first they tried to imply Trump was dissing the soldiers buried in the graves in France. Then when it blew up, they made up he was referring to Vietnam.
I thought the left hated the Vietnam war.
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By the way, since my question was addressed directly to you, why was it necessary to call up
the fan club posse???
Baloney. I have been critical of Trump many times here at TBR. OTOH...I am still smart enough to recognize a lying bullshit political hit piece.
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I thought the left hated the Vietnam war.
Obviously they hate Trump more.
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An extremely serious retort!!!
Our Officer Class is bound by the maxim "DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY" the moment they swear their Oath, which emphatically transcends 'politics'; the obsession of the neurotics of society.
By the way, since my question was addressed directly to you, why was it necessary to call up
the fan club posse???
Just how stupid are you @Absalom ? I wasn't addressing or "retorting" you. I asked a serious question of others --- those in the know.
Now go back to playing with your statuettes of Plato and stop interrupting the grownups.
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Are military members permitted to get involved in politics involving the CIC?? (Serious question)
@Wingnut @txradioguy @Bigun @sneakypete
@Right_in_Virginia
Not sure of all the in's and out's but federal employees, to include the military, are governed by the Hatch Act.
The military also has to comply with the UCMJ.
My understanding is they can legally do pretty much anything we can do as long as they are not advertising that they represent the government/military, to include wearing uniforms, badges, etc.
Now I would think that an officer reporting the unclassified facts surrounding an official event/conversation would be ok LEGALLY, politically would be another subject.
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I thought the left hated the Vietnam war.
Just the veterans...
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@Right_in_Virginia
Not sure of all the in's and out's but federal employees, to include the military, are governed by the Hatch Act.
The military also has to comply with the UCMJ.
My understanding is they can legally do pretty much anything we can do as long as they are not advertising that they represent the government/military, to include wearing uniforms, badges, etc.
Thanks @EdinVA
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And that is from a Trump enemy. Doesn't this country have laws around libel and slander?
We used to. Last I heard, Obama...removed that law. ALLOWING SLANDER ON PUBLIC PEOPLE...before he left office.
Feel free, anyone to correct me. That is, what I last remembered. NO, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. I can google, but not in the mood tonight. I am having a lazy FRIDAY EVENING.
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Because the military are not supposed to come out either way when it comes to politics.
I know that from my uncle, my father, my own service,
@Absalom doesn't seem to know that.
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Just how stupid are you @Absalom ? I wasn't addressing or "retorting" you. I asked a serious question of others --- those in the know.
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Those grownups in the know, no doubt! Why of course.
Anyway nine weeks to curtain time..............................
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Those grownups in the know, no doubt! Why of course. Anyway nine weeks to curtain time..............................
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
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And that is from a Trump enemy. Doesn't this country have laws around libel and slander?
@catfish1957
I ain't no lawyur,and don't even play one on teebee,but public figures can't be sued for libel or slander. The flip side of that is public figures also can't sue their accusers of libel and slander.
What goes around,comes around.
Not to worry,though. Trump is hardly helpless and unable to fight back.
The truth is,these fools just gave him one more opportunity to expose them for the liars and fools they are.
If they keep this up,they are going to end up on his Christmas list.
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Which is exactly why the Left gets away with it. There's enough people out there who think, "I can just imagine Trump saying something like this."
@dfwgator
There are a large number of people out there who STILL think there is such a thing as a free lunch.
There is no limit to the damnfool things some of these cretins believe.
Hell,there are still people who think JFK was a war hero.
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@Right_in_Virginia
That settles if for ME!
If there is one person in this country that is an authority on celebrating our veterans,it is Bubbette! Clinton!
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John Bolton himself has said the story is false. He hates Trump. Said if it were true, he would have devoted an entire chapter in his book on this subject.
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This story is why I'm no longer part of the Never Trump movement. I'm beginning to regret to be part of the Never Trump movement.
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This story is why I'm no longer part of the Never Trump movement. I'm beginning to regret to be part of the Never Trump movement.
@kevindavis
I can see where accepting Trump as a President can require a bit of attitude adjustment for traditional Republican Voters.
For one thing,you are unused to having a President that fights back.
Then,once you get past that,you have to adjust to having a Republican President that baits the Dims into attackin him again,and has set a trap for them.
I have never seen,heard,or even imagined a situation would arise inmy lifetime where the whole Dim party and their associated apparatus,like the media,were in full-tilt panic mode.
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There seems to be no question that Trump and his team should sue for libel.
100% of the Liberal Media is reporting this story as if it is true fact beyond question.
Even though they have no identified source and not a hint of evidence or proof.
After Sandmann, this should be a slam-dunk lawsuit for Trump.
Trump should start now to shut this fraud down.
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There seems to be no question that Trump and his team should sue for libel.
100% of the Liberal Media is reporting this story as if it is true fact beyond question.
Even though they have no identified source and not a hint of evidence or proof.
After Sandmann, this should be a slam-dunk lawsuit for Trump.
Trump should start now to shut this fraud down.
@240B
He can't because he is the President. The flip side is nobody can sue him personally while he is in office.
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Jennifer Griffin of Fox News Did Not Confirm ‘Most Salacious’ Part of Atlantic Story
Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin reported Friday that two anonymous former “senior†U.S. officials had confirmed “key parts†of the Atlantic‘s story about the president, but could not confirm “the most salacious†part.
On Thursday evening, the Atlantic reported that President Donald Trump had referred to dead American World War I troops in France as “losers†and “suckers†in 2018; and that he canceled a trip to a military cemetery because he did not want his hair wet.
The story was based on claims by four anonymous sources. Nearly a dozen current and former administration officials went on the record to refute the story — notably, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, who has become a Trump critic.
Nevertheless, many on the left claimed Fox News had “confirmed†the story based on several tweets by Griffin.
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https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/04/jennifer-griffin-of-fox-news-did-not-confirm-most-salacious-part-of-atlantic-story/ (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/04/jennifer-griffin-of-fox-news-did-not-confirm-most-salacious-part-of-atlantic-story/)
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Exclusive: Nearly 700 U.S. Veterans Issue Open Letter in Support of Trump
John Binder4 Sep 20209,964
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Nearly 700 American veterans have issued an open letter affirming their support of President Trump against establishment media attacks weeks before the 2020 presidential election.
This week, The Atlantic journalist Jeffrey Goldberg published a story citing anonymous sources, claiming that Trump did not want to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery at the site of Battle of Belleau Wood in 2018. The story, citing those anonymous sources, claims Trump called the cemetery “filled with losers†and referred to fallen soldiers who died at Belleau Wood as “suckers.â€
In an open letter obtained exclusively by Breitbart News, about 674 veterans wrote that their support for Trump, against attacks by the establishment media, remains unwavering because of his record of supporting the United States military and ending foreign wars.
“Recent baseless media attacks against President Trump from anonymous sources are just another example of the depths to which the President’s opponents are willing to descend to divide the nation and meddle in this election,†the veterans write.
“Anyone who knows President Trump has seen his love and reverence for our military and veterans. That is why we, veterans from every generation, are writing today to reaffirm our support for President Trump,†they continue:
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/04/exclusive-nearly-700-u-s-veterans-issue-open-letter-in-support-of-trump/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/04/exclusive-nearly-700-u-s-veterans-issue-open-letter-in-support-of-trump/)
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This story is why I'm no longer part of the Never Trump movement. I'm beginning to regret to be part of the Never Trump movement.
I am perhaps one of Trump's harshest critics in this forum, but I don't consider myself a Never Trumper. I think there's a distinct difference. I don't believe in giving anyone a free pass, including Trump but on the other hand I believe that I have been very supportive of President Trump at times in here. When I feel he's wrong or taking this country in a negative direction, I will continue to voice my opinion and I've been met with criticism because I don't give him a free pass; that's fine.
As for this story in particular, I am judging him based on what I have observed since the day before he took his oath. NOTHING indicates anti veteran or military. NOTHING.
When I encounter people who obviously get most of their info about Trump from CNN and the other fake news I do try to enlighten them -- they've been brainwashed for a long time so it's like talking to a brick wall, but I try. It is disheartening that most people have access to the internet but don't take the time to look up his record, nor the voting records of those in Congress....it's exactly how Bammy got elected -- no one in their right mind who would have actually checked his record against what they were being fed would vote for him. The MSM is one of our greatest enemies.
Enough said.
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Bret Baier and Jennifer Griffin do a Tag-Team Hatchet Job on President Trump
The Paul Ryanization of Fox News continued yesterday evening on the Fox Report.
Bret Baier and reporter Jennifer Griffin performed a heck of a hatchet job on President Trump last night. – On last night’s Fox Report, Baier and Griffin burnished their CNN/MSNBC cred by parroting the fake reporting of The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, and then having Griffin to cite her own anonymous “sources†to support parts of Goldberg’s story.
Which raises the question, when you have anonymous “sources†confirming what anonymous “sources†have to say, what do you really have? Well, you have gossips confirming gossips, for one thing. Griffin’s “reporting†is akin to the old days when housewives would spread neighborhood gossip while hanging clothes outside on the clothesline to dry.
Then you also have cowards confirming cowards, and what good is that to anyone? You also very likely have the exact same cowards “confirming†to Griffin what they said to Goldberg, which is even more worthless.
Meanwhile, Baier and Griffin basically ignored the dozen or so actual, real people who actually witnessed the events Goldberg portrays in his hoax piece and who have the courage to let reporters use their names, all of whom have completely refuted every accusation Goldberg makes. That dozen or so people includes Trump-hater John Bolton, who told Baier that, if he had heard the President say the things Goldberg alleges while serving as National Security Advisor he would not only have made mention of it in his recent hit book, he’d have written entire chapters about it.
Later in the fake newscast, during the nightly panel discussion, the great Mollie Hemingway did point out the fact of those dozen or so on-the-record sources and lightly criticized Griffin for ignoring them in her reporting. Baier then sat back quietly while allowing the despicable #NeverTrump nitwit Stephen Hayes to launch into a minute-long diatribe at Hemingway, something he’d never allow were the tables reversed.
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https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/2020/09/05/bret-baier-and-jennifer-griffin-do-a-tag-team-hatchet-job-on-president-trump/
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Donald Trump says he believes former chief of staff John Kelly is behind claims he called dead troops 'losers' and 'suckers' as he attacks the gold star father for getting 'eaten alive' and being 'unable to function' in his White House
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8699691/Trump-says-believes-former-COS-Kelly-claims-called-dead-troops-losers.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8699691/Trump-says-believes-former-COS-Kelly-claims-called-dead-troops-losers.html)
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Those grownups in the know, no doubt! Why of course.
Anyway nine weeks to curtain time..............................
You are entitled to your opinion as am I, so in my opinion, to unnecessarily bash this President over heresay, fake news and just because of blatant dislike just for the sake of disliking him I see as unpatriotic and part of what truly is now problematic for the safety and welfare of our Republic. It used to be the office of the President was respected and revered; that all went out the window during Clinton's reign and has never stopped. The norm has become it is alright to trash a GOP President, but unacceptable to trash a DEM President and the MSM has free reign to lie and manipulate their agenda.
Did you not see the link that I gave you awhile ago the Democratic Underground? Maybe at this point in time you might want to lurk around in their basement -- with any luck you just might find Sloe Joe hiding in there as well.
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In rare form, Melania comes out swinging; Trump says disgruntled John Kelly could be behind smear
Melania Trump
@FLOTUS
US government account
.@TheAtlantic story is not true. It has become a very dangerous time when anonymous sources are believed above all else, & no one knows their motivation. This is not journalism - It is activism. And it is a disservice to the people of our great nation.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/in-rare-form-melania-comes-out-swinging-trump-says-disgruntled-john-kelly-could-be-behind-smear-968217 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/in-rare-form-melania-comes-out-swinging-trump-says-disgruntled-john-kelly-could-be-behind-smear-968217)
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‘Who?’ Greta Van Susteren calls out fmr. Fox News colleague after Atlantic story falls apart under scrutiny
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/who-greta-van-susteren-calls-out-fmr-fox-news-colleague-after-atlantic-story-falls-apart-under-scrutiny-968337 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/who-greta-van-susteren-calls-out-fmr-fox-news-colleague-after-atlantic-story-falls-apart-under-scrutiny-968337)
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In rare form, Melania comes out swinging; Trump says disgruntled John Kelly could be behind smear
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/in-rare-form-melania-comes-out-swinging-trump-says-disgruntled-john-kelly-could-be-behind-smear-968217 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/in-rare-form-melania-comes-out-swinging-trump-says-disgruntled-john-kelly-could-be-behind-smear-968217)
Wow. Unusual for FLOTUS, but I am very glad to see she's speaking her mind on this. Good for her! She is a very popular First Lady and perhaps even more popular than the President.
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Bret Baier and Jennifer Griffin do a Tag-Team Hatchet Job on President Trump
The Paul Ryanization of Fox News continued yesterday evening on the Fox Report.
@mystery-ak
BTW,does anybody know what happened to Paul Ryan to turn him into the vindictive bitch he is now? He used to appear to be a solid and rational conservative,he leaves office for some reason I can't remember,and is suddenly a Bernie Bro.
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‘Who?’ Greta Van Susteren calls out fmr. Fox News colleague after Atlantic story falls apart under scrutiny
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/who-greta-van-susteren-calls-out-fmr-fox-news-colleague-after-atlantic-story-falls-apart-under-scrutiny-968337 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/05/who-greta-van-susteren-calls-out-fmr-fox-news-colleague-after-atlantic-story-falls-apart-under-scrutiny-968337)
Fox News reporter corps had better get their sh*t together and fast. They seem to have become part of the news media's desperate attempt to influence the election in favor of the rats.
There are other alternative news sources for us now.
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@mystery-ak
BTW,does anybody know what happened to Paul Ryan to turn him into the vindictive bitch he is now? He used to appear to be a solid and rational conservative,he leaves office for some reason I can't remember,and is suddenly a Bernie Bro.
Obviously your view of Paul Ryan is much different than mine. He's proven to be a liberal through and through and after Trump was nominated he then had the audacity to state that now that the GOP had the full majority things would change. Really? Ryan was Lyin' -- we had had a GOP majority and his leadership FAILED --- HE was the problem --- HE was the liberal that side-stepped conservative progress -- especially undermining Trump.
Nope. Ryan has been a liberal in my books for a very long time.
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@mystery-ak
BTW,does anybody know what happened to Paul Ryan to turn him into the vindictive bitch he is now? He used to appear to be a solid and rational conservative,he leaves office for some reason I can't remember,and is suddenly a Bernie Bro.
Paul Ryan and his Tax lawyer wife are 100% swamp creatures and have been for a LONG time!
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Obviously your view of Paul Ryan is much different than mine. He's proven to be a liberal through and through and after Trump was nominated he then had the audacity to state that now that the GOP had the full majority things would change. Really? Ryan was Lyin' -- we had had a GOP majority and his leadership FAILED --- HE was the problem --- HE was the liberal that side-stepped conservative progress -- especially undermining Trump.
Nope. Ryan has been a liberal in my books for a very long time.
@libertybele
First of all,he is NOT a liberal any more than Karl Marx or Stalin were liberals. He now seemed to be a dedicated leftist,or at least aligned with the fascist left.
My memories of him was after he first got power he seemed to be passing himself off as a sincere conservative.
Then,suddenly,he joined the radical left.
There can be no question about this.
My question is "does anybody have any idea what kicked it off? Was it just because he no longer holds office?"
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Paul Ryan and his Tax lawyer wife are 100% swamp creatures and have been for a LONG time!
@Bigun
I wasn't aware of that.
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@libertybele
First of all,he is NOT a liberal any more than Karl Marx or Stalin were liberals. He now seemed to be a dedicated leftist,or at least aligned with the fascist left.
My memories of him was after he first got power he seemed to be passing himself off as a sincere conservative.
Then,suddenly,he joined the radical left.
There can be no question about this.
My question is "does anybody have any idea what kicked it off? Was it just because he no longer holds office?"
Your entitled to your opinion -- he's always been a leftist. So because he's no longer holding office he's become more liberal and more radical, I don't know, but again he's been a liberal. IF you have any doubt about his liberalism go back and check his voting record -- it speaks volumes. Go back and see how many times he compromised with the DEMS. The problem with the GOP at the time had everything to do with the absolute FAILED leadership of Ryan and McConnell.
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@Bigun
I wasn't aware of that.
She is a K Street lobbiest and he does what he is told!
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Your entitled to your opinion -- he's always been a leftist. So because he's no longer holding office he's become more liberal and more radical, I don't know, but again he's been a liberal.
@libertybele
What the HELL is it with you freaking people? I lead you to the water and you refuse to even look at it,never mind drink. You continue to follow along with the leftist propaganda and categorize them in the positive manner they desire???
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were liberals. Do you hate Washington and Jefferson,or admire them?
You can NOT have it both ways.
IF you have any doubt about his liberalism go back and check his voting record -- it speaks volumes. Go back and see how many times he compromised with the DEMS.
There you go again,identifying the left as something positive.
How the HELL do you people EVER plan to win over the typical non-politically active citizens and voters when even you refuse to recognize the left for what they are?
What next? Are you going to suggest bunny hugs for the children of everybody that votes for Biden?
Words MEAN things.
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Fox News reporter corps had better get their sh*t together and fast. They seem to have become part of the news media's desperate attempt to influence the election in favor of the rats.
There are other alternative news sources for us now.
CORRECT. Pervert Disney bought them about a year ago. The first thing they did was hire DONNA BRAZILLE...'the criminal', as if Juan Williams wasn't enough of an embarrassment. Both communists.
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http://twitter.com/HSajwanization/status/1301962553841590273?s=20 (http://twitter.com/HSajwanization/status/1301962553841590273?s=20)
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There you go again,identifying the left as something positive.
How the HELL do you people EVER plan to win over the typical non-politically active citizens and voters when even you refuse to recognize the left for what they are?
What next? Are you going to suggest bunny hugs for the children of everybody that votes for Biden?
Words MEAN things.
Classic liberal in Washington's time, is totally different than the 'crazy liberals'...we have now.
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CORRECT. Pervert Disney bought them about a year ago. The first thing they did was hire DONNA BRAZILLE...'the criminal', as if Juan Williams wasn't enough of an embarrassment. Both communists.
@LegalAmerican
People tend to forget that the news business is a BUSINESS,and like any other business,the employees follow the dictates of the boss,or they are out of work.
Sadly,there is no longer ANY major media outlet in this country that is independent. The Billionaire Globalists bought them all up and put their own people in charge.
Probably the same can be said for every other developed country,too.
We all like to talk trash about the internet,but we all need to be grateful it exists because if it didn't,we wouldn't have the first clue about what is going on in the world,or who was behind it,good or bad. All we would know would be the government-approved version.
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Paul Ryan and his Tax lawyer wife are 100% swamp creatures and have been for a LONG time!
And he was MITT ROMNEY'S , VP CHOICE! BOTH SWAMP CREATURES.
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There you go again,identifying the left as something positive.
How the HELL do you people EVER plan to win over the typical non-politically active citizens and voters when even you refuse to recognize the left for what they are?
What next? Are you going to suggest bunny hugs for the children of everybody that votes for Biden?
Words MEAN things.
What in the heck are you even talking about? Ryan is a leftist liberal he always has been. You're trying to tell me differently. It is those supposed conservatives siding with liberals and leftists just because they stood or stand under the GOP umbrella that are the problem.
ANY GOP representative and Senator who continually sides and votes along with the liberals and leftists are not worth a damn.
Bunny hugs for Biden?? WTH is your deal?? You are way way off base here. Me identifying the left as something positive? You are delusional. End of conversation here.
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@LegalAmerican
People tend to forget that the news business is a BUSINESS,and like any other business,the employees follow the dictates of the boss,or they are out of work.
Sadly,there is no longer ANY major media outlet in this country that is independent. The Billionaire Globalists bought them all up and put their own people in charge.
Probably the same can be said for every other developed country,too.
We all like to talk trash about the internet,but we all need to be grateful it exists because if it didn't,we wouldn't have the first clue about what is going on in the world,or who was behind it,good or bad. All we would know would be the government-approved version.
I totally agree and well said! High five. :seeya: :patriot: :patriot:
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And he was MITT ROMNEY'S , VP CHOICE! BOTH SWAMP CREATURES.
@LegalAmerican
That pretty much tells us all we need to know about Ryan these days.
I wouldn't even trust myself to get into an elevator with Romney,never mind be his running mate. I am afraid I wouldn't be able to resist the desire to choke him out.
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@LegalAmerican
That pretty much tells us all we need to know about Ryan these days.
I wouldn't even trust myself to get into an elevator with Romney,never mind be his running mate. I am afraid I wouldn't be able to resist the desire to choke him out.
????? .... and most of us have known that for a very long time.
Calm down there @sneakypete -- violence? Really?
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????? .... and most of us have known that for a very long time.
Calm down there @sneakypete -- violence? Really?
@libertybele
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This IS me being calm.
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CORRECT. Pervert Disney bought them about a year ago. The first thing they did was hire DONNA BRAZILLE...'the criminal', as if Juan Williams wasn't enough of an embarrassment. Both communists.
@LegalAmerican, as I pointed out before, Disney did not buy Fox News. Disney bought the 20th Century Fox studios and movie library, but Fox News was spun off before Disney's purchase. Because Disney does own ABC News a purchase of 20th Century Fox that included Fox News would have been blocked by the Feds.
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I've been backing-and-forthing about this on FB and compiled some relevant stuff some here might find useful:
Trump WW1 cemetery visit the following day - https://news.yahoo.com/trump-hails-americas-great-warriors-wwi-cemetery-visit-164548850.html (https://news.yahoo.com/trump-hails-americas-great-warriors-wwi-cemetery-visit-164548850.html)
Bolton denied The Atlantic's claim that it was said when cancelling the trip was discussed being discussed - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/us/politics/trump-veterans-losers.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/us/politics/trump-veterans-losers.html)
Photo of the page in Bolton's book detailing the decision to cancel the Belleau Wood trip - https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1301735906660028416/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1301735906660028416/photo/1)
FOIA of 2018 documents related to the Belleau Wood cemetery trip cancellation - https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1301741080577298437 (https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1301741080577298437) , https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1301673157699407873 (https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1301673157699407873)
Sarah Huckabee Sanders denied it happened - twitter.com/SarahHuckabee/status/1301702348071460864
Dan Scavino denied it happened - https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1301714039907725314 (https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1301714039907725314)
Jordan Karem denied it happened - https://twitter.com/JordanKarem1/status/1301656144713265158 (https://twitter.com/JordanKarem1/status/1301656144713265158) , https://twitter.com/JordanKarem1/status/1301677808649998337 (https://twitter.com/JordanKarem1/status/1301677808649998337)
J. Hogan Gidley denied it happened - https://twitter.com/JHoganGidley/status/1301681054902779905 (https://twitter.com/JHoganGidley/status/1301681054902779905)
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After all, it hardly maters what Baier & Griffin/FOX, have to say about Trump.
Consider the multiple hundreds of Congressmen, Senators and Governors, present and past,
as well as their colleagues, who have been in the media queue for many hours attesting to
the honor, integrity and rectitude of Trump. Surely that alone should dispel any doubts about
his character, should it not??????????.........................................Hmm...........lemme think.
Anyway, when the curtain falls in some 60 days, his Fan Club can commence Beatification
proceedings as a mutual feel good activity w/Canonization on the docket for early next year.
After all it's only fitting and proper, given Trump's monumental achievements rivaling
those of Julius Caesar and Augustus, ain't it???
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You are entitled to your opinion as am I, so in my opinion, to unnecessarily bash this President over heresay, fake news and just because of blatant dislike just for the sake of disliking him I see as unpatriotic and part of what truly is now problematic for the safety and welfare of our Republic. It used to be the office of the President was respected and revered; that all went out the window during Clinton's reign and has never stopped. The norm has become it is alright to trash a GOP President, but unacceptable to trash a DEM President and the MSM has free reign to lie and manipulate their agenda.
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Indeed our opinions are free, yet that does not require they be accepted or even respected.
Perhaps criticism of Trump is fake news and hearsay, yet just as likely it is based on the
attitudes, behaviors, impulses and sentiments he has continuously exhibited since his teen-age
years more than 60 years past in Military Reform School.
As for revering governance, it evaporated w/the demise of Monarchy across the world and had
nothing to do w/the heritage/legacy of our Founders.
A POTUS is a politician, like the rest of them, consumed by self-interest; as the likes of Bierce
and Greeley noted some 200 years ago.
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After all, it hardly maters what Baier & Griffin/FOX, have to say about Trump.
Consider the multiple hundreds of Congressmen, Senators and Governors, present and past,
as well as their colleagues, who have been in the media queue for many hours attesting to
the honor, integrity and rectitude of Trump. Surely that alone should dispel any doubts about
his character, should it not??????????.........................................Hmm...........lemme think.
Anyway, when the curtain falls in some 60 days, his Fan Club can commence Beatification
proceedings as a mutual feel good activity w/Canonization on the docket for early next year.
After all it's only fitting and proper, given Trump's monumental achievements rivaling
those of Julius Caesar and Augustus, ain't it???
So then can we assume that you are all geared up and hoping for socialism/marxism and the downfall of our Republic under Biden or Harris?
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Fox News reporter defends confirming Atlantic piece despite Trump backlash: 'I feel very confident'
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/515274-fox-news-reporter-defends-confirming-atlantic-piece-i-feel-very-confident
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Obviously your view of Paul Ryan is much different than mine. He's proven to be a liberal through and through and after Trump was nominated he then had the audacity to state that now that the GOP had the full majority things would change. Really? Ryan was Lyin' -- we had had a GOP majority and his leadership FAILED --- HE was the problem --- HE was the liberal that side-stepped conservative progress -- especially undermining Trump. Ryan has been a liberal in my books for a very long time.
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Correct. Ryan was a northern state (Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois) lefty progressive; a soul mate of Romney.
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GOP lawmaker defends Fox reporter after Trump calls for her firing
GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) on Saturday defended Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin after President Trump targeted the journalist on Twitter and called for her to be fired.
Trump went after Griffin, a national security correspondent, after she reported that former officials had backed up some details of an explosive report about Trump published this week by The Atlantic.
“She’s one of my favorite reporters. Fair and unafraid,†Kinzinger wrote in response to Trump calling for Griffin to be fired.
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/515267-gop-lawmaker-defends-fox-reporter-after-trump-calls-for-her-firing
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So then can we assume that you are all geared up and hoping for socialism/marxism and the downfall of our Republic under Biden or Harris?
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Belle,
Franklin, at founding, answered a query w/the retort,"Well we gave you a Republic, if you can keep it!"
If we were still a serious people, we would never consider for an instant either Biden or Trump as
fit to govern our nation and I could add 50+ names to that list. Yet we are where we are!
As I've said repeatedly, I'm not voting for either the buffoon or the clown.
Indeed you're entitled to your opinion, yet suggest you get real about Trump!!!
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This is Kavanaugh all over again. Put something out there, and the sheeple will buy it no matter what, as long as the media repeats it enough.
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Belle,
Franklin, at founding, answered a query w/the retort,"Well we gave you a Republic, if you can keep it!"
If we were still a serious people, we would never consider for an instant either Biden or Trump as
fit to govern our nation and I could add 50+ names to that list. Yet we are where we are!
As I've said repeatedly, I'm not voting for either the buffoon or the clown.
Indeed you're entitled to your opinion, yet suggest you get real about Trump!!!
@Absalom obviously you haven't read many of my posts. I am a realist, not a optimist nor a pessimist though I have been accused of being too pessimistic. I have no grand illusions of Trump - quite the opposite. I have been very critical of him. There is absolutely no guarantee that if Trump should win the WH and have neither a GOP Senate or House majority that he won't veer to the left and if he wins and has neither majority certainly impeachment will be forthcoming.
My defense of him on this issue is warranted. The man has been accused of being anti-veteran and anti-military. His actions speak much more loudly than their accusations. Credit on this issue is due him and I find it disgusting that people suggest otherwise.
There are several red flags that I have seen surrounding Trump and several questions that I have about him remain unanswered and I find troubling.
Equally troubling is the blatant attack on our Republic from the leftists and their inability to peacefully transition the office of the Presidency to whom the people duly elected. They are right now operating by mob rule. IMHO whomever gets elected we should have concern. The greatest concern is the tremendous push from the left towards socialism.
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This is Kavanaugh all over again. Put something out there, and the sheeple will buy it no matter what, as long as the media repeats it enough.
The left is notorious for the "smear campaigns" and this is obviously one of them.
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MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
Why do Dems/Fake News keep running the same play that always fails, each time showcasing a meaningless mediocre loser to go after the President, like Bolton, Avenatti, Omarosa, Vindman, Mary Trump, Michael Cohen, Michael Wolff, etc. Always forgotten two weeks later.
https://twitter.com/MarkSimoneNY/status/1293661749124780037
5:32 PM · Aug 12, 2020·Twitter Web App
They dropped this too early. But I'm betting POTUS is going to ask Biden directly during a debate: "Who gave the stand down order on Benghazi?".
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MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
Wounded veterans who've been supported by President Trump are fighting back against the ridiculous Atlantic Magazine hoax that desperate Democrats actually believed. The weaker your candidate, the more preposterous your October surprise has to be:
Ruddy: Sgt. Verardo Believes Trump, Not the Atlantic
(https://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=3ea29c8b-2989-4d98-8e75-78c38e25e44f&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
https://www.newsmax.com/ruddy/donaldtrump-atlantic/2020/09/05/id/985565/ (https://www.newsmax.com/ruddy/donaldtrump-atlantic/2020/09/05/id/985565/)
4:11 PM · Sep 5, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/MarkSimoneNY/status/1302338593021661185 (https://twitter.com/MarkSimoneNY/status/1302338593021661185)
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MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
Be very encouraged by the ridiculous, made up, Atlantic Magazine story (with coordinated attack ads all ready to go) It's a result of total panic by DNC after seeing the new internal polls. Biden plunging. They will sink even lower and get even more desperate.
12:16 PM · Sep 4, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/MarkSimoneNY/status/1301917146537177095
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They dropped this too early. But I'm betting POTUS is going to ask Biden directly during a debate: "Who gave the stand down order on Benghazi?".
I would like to see that...I hope he catches Biden off guard with that question...it surely won't come from any moderator that's for sure.
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This is Kavanaugh all over again. Put something out there, and the sheeple will buy it no matter what, as long as the media repeats it enough.
It derives from Goebbels, too.
I "lie told often enough. "Related to communism, socialism, Nazism.
Willing media, carries message/water for the authoritarian government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
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Pete Hegseth
@PeteHegseth
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This Atlantic “story†is nothing but a textbook Leftist hit-job. Always anonymous. Always coordinated. And, as we’ve seen with all the other anti-Trump hoaxes, always fabricated.
The Left knows how @realDonaldTrump
defends & revers our vets/military—so they attack his strength.
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The Atlantic, where this article appeared, is owned by BIDEN's largest donor.
Bolton said No, it didn't happen.
Hiden Biden falling further in real polls.
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This is what I remember.... and it wasn't faked.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GmWvsj0j/Kerry-Soldiers-Respond2-Him-Calling-Them-Dumb.gif)
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The Atlantic, where this article appeared, is owned by BIDEN's largest donor.
Bolton said No, it didn't happen.
Hiden Biden falling further in real polls.
Polls have proven time and time again to not be reliable. The polls showed Hillary winning. The polls also had Romney leading.
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This is what I remember.... and it wasn't faked.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GmWvsj0j/Kerry-Soldiers-Respond2-Him-Calling-Them-Dumb.gif)
I remember this .. kids over there (including ours) loved this picture! It was after Kerry made some reference to our soldiers being too stupid to do anything else.
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This story is why I'm no longer part of the Never Trump movement. I'm beginning to regret to be part of the Never Trump movement.
@kevindavis
That and the riots. And not just the riots in and of themselves. If the Democrat mayors and governors asked the administration for help and he didn't give it because they have said bad things about him in the past, my sympathies would be towards them. Instead, we see the opposite
I didn't vote for him the first time but will be doing so this time
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I would like to see that...I hope he catches Biden off guard with that question...it surely won't come from any moderator that's for sure.
I think this lie is deeply personal to the President @mystery-ak Biden's going to be black and blue when Trump finishes with him on the decimation of our military, treatment of our vets, Benghazi, Iran, the endless wars.... and this:
(https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/2WUJO7DBRQ7U3FO4NWMA4NNUNQ.jpg)
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@LegalAmerican, as I pointed out before, Disney did not buy Fox News. Disney bought the 20th Century Fox studios and movie library, but Fox News was spun off before Disney's purchase. Because Disney does own ABC News a purchase of 20th Century Fox that included Fox News would have been blocked by the Feds.
@PeteS in CA
Thank you for clearing that up.
Do you know who DOES own Fox News now?
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After all, it hardly maters what Baier & Griffin/FOX, have to say about Trump.
Consider the multiple hundreds of Congressmen, Senators and Governors, present and past,
as well as their colleagues, who have been in the media queue for many hours attesting to
the honor, integrity and rectitude of Trump. Surely that alone should dispel any doubts about
his character, should it not??????????.........................................Hmm...........lemme think.
Anyway, when the curtain falls in some 60 days, his Fan Club can commence Beatification
proceedings as a mutual feel good activity w/Canonization on the docket for early next year.
After all it's only fitting and proper, given Trump's monumental achievements rivaling
those of Julius Caesar and Augustus, ain't it???
@Absalom
Good to see you are finally getting your wits about you.
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Donald Trump shows his love for wounded Iraq War veterans in 2007
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLejNuG_IPU#)
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@PeteS in CA
Thank you for clearing that up.
Do you know who DOES own Fox News now?
It is owned by Fox News Media, which itself is owned by the Fox Corporation. @sneakypete
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@Absalom
Good to see you are finally getting your wits about you.
I hope the day will come when somebody like Trump won't be needed, but right now, he's exactly what is needed.
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@Absalom obviously you haven't read many of my posts. I am a realist, not a optimist nor a pessimist though I have been accused of being too pessimistic. I have no grand illusions of Trump - quite the opposite. I have been very critical of him. There is absolutely no guarantee that if Trump should win the WH and have neither a GOP Senate or House majority that he won't veer to the left and if he wins and has neither majority certainly impeachment will be forthcoming.
My defense of him on this issue is warranted. The man has been accused of being anti-veteran and anti-military. His actions speak much more loudly than their accusations. Credit on this issue is due him and I find it disgusting that people suggest otherwise.
There are several red flags that I have seen surrounding Trump and several questions that I have about him remain unanswered and I find troubling.
Equally troubling is the blatant attack on our Republic from the leftists and their inability to peacefully transition the office of the Presidency to whom the people duly elected. They are right now operating by mob rule. IMHO whomever gets elected we should have concern. The greatest concern is the tremendous push from the left towards socialism.
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Obviously, you're entitled, yet Trump's actions includes some 5 bankruptcies,
3 divorces, continuous womanizing involving monetary payoffs and his disgraceful
avoidance of service in Vietnam; as one put it "Letting some sucker take his place."
Indeed Character is destiny!
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Touching his face was noble.
Which reminds; Avanetti testified Trump touched another part of Stormy Daniels anatomy.
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@Absalom
Good to see you are finally getting your wits about you.
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Ever ever heard the word S-A-R-C-A-S-M?????
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It is owned by Fox News Media, which itself is owned by the Fox Corporation. @sneakypete
@Bigun
Ok,so no change in ownership,right?
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I hope the day will come when somebody like Trump won't be needed, but right now, he's exactly what is needed.
@dfwgator
Bingo!
The career politician that can handle that sort of crap and just let it wash off his back hasn't been born. He or she would have been pressured into resigning by year two.
America,and by extension,the few free people living in the world,got really lucky with this one.
Right man in the right place. Everybody always talks about it,but almost nobody gets to experience it.
It's too much to expect this to happen again in 2024,so we need to be picking a replacement now.
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Touching his face was noble.
Which reminds; Avanetti testified Trump touched another part of Stormy Daniels anatomy.
@Absalom
And????
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@Bigun
Ok,so no change in ownership,right?
For Fox News Channel, not really. The problems at Fox News spring from the fact that it's founder Roger Ailes passed and now his son is running things.
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@Absalom
Good to see you are finally getting your wits about you.
Nah. No wits there.
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Nah. No wits there.
I see but a half wit, perhaps?
Currently in TDS caboose position, behind Sinkspur, cripplecreek, geronL, chosen daughter, onceler
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Geraldo Rivera Goes Scorched Earth On Anonymous Trump Report; 'Chicken s**t Trump haters'
https://trendingpolitics.com/geraldo-rivera-goes-scorched-earth-on-anonymous-trump-report-chicken-s-t-trump-haters/
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Dan Scavino
@DanScavino
(Trump) Video: https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1302391783981187073
7:42 PM · Sep 5, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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After all it's only fitting and proper, given Trump's monumental achievements rivaling
those of Julius Caesar and Augustus, ain't it???
No one here has ever considered me a fan of Trump. OTOH, I do understand the ramifications of sociialsm, and that GOP NT'ers could just cost him the election in a couple of months. Do you really want to be complict in that scenario?
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I love America more than I hate DJT. If Biden/Harris win because of all the b.s. and lies put forth America loses bigly.
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I love America more than I hate DJT. If Biden/Harris win because of all the b.s. and lies put forth America loses bigly.
If you know it has been all bs and lies, why do you still “hate†Trump? (It’s a serious question that puzzles this serious Trump supporter.)
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@aligncare: I do not hate Trump. That is what I tell my husband and others with severe TDS.
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@PeteS in CA
Thank you for clearing that up.
Do you know who DOES own Fox News now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation)
And as I posted yesterday, I did previously point out that Disney did not buy Fox News, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412374.msg2274819.html#msg2274819 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412374.msg2274819.html#msg2274819) . @LegalAmerican
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Emerald Robinson
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@EmeraldRobinson
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23h
You have to laugh at Jennifer Griffin at FOX claiming that her anonymous sources back up Jeffrey Goldberg's anonymous sources.
Everybody knows that Griffin is a NeverTrumper like Chris Wallace.
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Sean Parnell
@SeanParnellUSA
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15h
US House candidate, PA-17
.@ConorLambPA
as a sitting Congressman & Marine Officer if this is true, AT A MINIMUM, you should resign immediately.
EXPLAIN.
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
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BREAKING: Hill Republicans suspect disputed anonymous story re Trump disrespecting fallen war vets was planted by Biden campaign: Biden used The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg pal Rep Conor Lamb (D-PA, Marine major) to amplify story. Goal:blunting military absentee ballots for Trump
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I haven't read any of this thread and I'm not going to.
As soon as I saw it, I saw yet another "hit piece", probably all lies.
Which is what it's turning out to be.
The Atlantic:
One more cog in the new American ComInform machine...
(this will be my only post in this thread, which I hope the moderators have the good sense to lock pretty durn soon...)
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In spite of the @Fishrrman request, @MODS Please don't lock this Thread...We haven't even discussed Fuel Injectors, yet.
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I love America more than I hate DJT. If Biden/Harris win because of all the b.s. and lies put forth America loses bigly.
The day that the DEMS refused to give a peaceful transition of power to a duly elected President by "We the People" was the day that America lost BIGLY and the demise of our Republic has continued.
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I thought the left hated the Vietnam war.
Until they can batter Trump with it.
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@dfwgator
There are a large number of people out there who STILL think there is such a thing as a free lunch.
There is no limit to the damnfool things some of these cretins believe.
Hell,there are still people who think JFK was a war hero.
I remember reading the book about PT109 and thinking "Hero, he was just plain reckless."
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@mystery-ak
BTW,does anybody know what happened to Paul Ryan to turn him into the vindictive bitch he is now? He used to appear to be a solid and rational conservative,he leaves office for some reason I can't remember,and is suddenly a Bernie Bro.
Hanging out with RINO Romney will do that to you.
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I remember reading the book about PT109 and thinking "Hero, he was just plain reckless."
People have never appreciated how incompetent a skipper would have to be to allow his 77 foot long 45 MPH patrol boat to be accidentally cut in half by a 4000 ton enemy destroyer.
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People have never appreciated how incompetent a skipper would have to be to allow his 77 foot long 45 MPH patrol boat to be accidentally cut in half by a 4000 ton enemy destroyer.
PT boats were made from WWII PLYWOOD. The life expectancy on these was something like 5 years. IF and that is a HUGE IF they were maintained properly. The way the engines were mounted caused undue stress on the bulkheads. Add that the fact they could NEVER get up on plane. The stem pieces were constantly battered and on many of them they were sealed on the outside of the hull and given a promise on the inside. 20 years ago "Wooden boat" magazine did an in depth article on the flaws in the design and construction of these boats. The gist of it was you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
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Didn't they have some type of rudimentary RADAR though, shouldn't he have seen the Japanese Cruiser upon him before it was too late? @verga
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PT boats were made from WWII PLYWOOD. The life expectancy on these was something like 5 years. IF and that is a HUGE IF they were maintained properly. The way the engines were mounted caused undue stress on the bulkheads. Add that the fact they could NEVER get up on plane. The stem pieces were constantly battered and on many of them they were sealed on the outside of the hull and given a promise on the inside. 20 years ago "Wooden boat" magazine did an in depth article on the flaws in the design and construction of these boats. The gist of it was you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
More reason Kennedy shouldn't have been cruising in an active sea lane on a reduced level of alert. From what I've read PT boats hung out in coves and hugged the coast and emerged only when a target of opportunity presented itself.
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I remember reading the book about PT109 and thinking "Hero, he was just plain reckless."
@verga
Oh,it was much worse than that. The Navy wanted to court-martial him for dereliction of duty,and Old Man Joe wanted the Navy to give him a Medal of Honor. The compromise position ended up being he got no medal at all for bravery,but he wasn't court martialed.
He was supposed to be patrolling the straight and attacking any Japanese ships he ran across,but instead what he did was throw out a sea anchor and go to sleep without even leaving a night watch. Instead of attacking the Japanese destroyer that ran through PT-109 ,the destroyer sank him.
Nobody really knew what happened until after the war,and then the naval scholars got hold of the log of the Japanese destroyer and read the notation where they hit an "unknown object" at that latitude and longitude that night. A couple of his crew lost their lives that night by drowning because he was a Kennedy,and not obligated to do his duty.
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:yowsa:
Didn't they have some type of rudimentary RADAR though, shouldn't he have seen the Japanese Cruiser upon him before it was too late? @verga
@corbe
Radar does you no good if your entire crew is sleeping,and your boat is floating along with a sea anchor slowing it down.
Somebody has to be awake to read the radar and give orders.
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@verga
Oh,it was much worse than that. The Navy wanted to court-martial him for dereliction of duty,and Old Man Joe wanted the Navy to give him a Medal of Honor. The compromise position ended up being he got no medal at all for bravery,but he wasn't court martialed.
He was supposed to be patrolling the straight and attacking any Japanese ships he ran across,but instead what he did was throw out a sea anchor and go to sleep without even leaving a night watch. Instead of attacking the Japanese destroyer that ran through PT-109 ,the destroyer sank him.
Nobody really knew what happened until after the war,and then the naval scholars got hold of the log of the Japanese destroyer and read the notation where they hit an "unknown object" at that latitude and longitude that night. A couple of his crew lost their lives that night by drowning because he was a Kennedy,and not obligated to do his duty.
Thank you for the reminder of the details.
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Atlantic Editor Concedes Central Claim Of Trump Hit Piece Could Be Wrong
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lRyVzHdtfo&feature=emb_logo#)
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-concedes-central-claim-of-trump-hit-piece-could-be-wrong/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-concedes-central-claim-of-trump-hit-piece-could-be-wrong/)
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Atlantic Editor Concedes Central Claim Of Trump Hit Piece Could Be Wrong
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lRyVzHdtfo&feature=emb_logo#)
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-concedes-central-claim-of-trump-hit-piece-could-be-wrong/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/atlantic-editor-concedes-central-claim-of-trump-hit-piece-could-be-wrong/)
They can walk it back now, the Mission has been accomplished.
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They can walk it back now, the Mission has been accomplished.
Yep. Like the needle...the damage is done.
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Trump pushes back on Atlantic article: 'Only an animal would say that'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/515378-trump-pushes-back-on-atlantic-article-only-an-animal-would-say-that
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Exclusive — U.S. Ambassador to France Denies The Atlantic Story: ‘POTUS Has Never Denigrated Any Member of U.S. Military’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/u-s-ambassador-france-denies-atlantic-story-potus-never-denigrated-any-member-us-military/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/u-s-ambassador-france-denies-atlantic-story-potus-never-denigrated-any-member-us-military/)
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As someone who volunteered and served during that time and lost friends and relatives during the war I have no respect for chicken shit draft dodgers like Trump. Whether he said it or not makes no difference to me and will not change my opinion of the POS I think the same is true for most whether they support him or not.... :shrug:
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As someone who volunteered and served during that time and lost friends and relatives during the war I have no respect for chicken shit draft dodgers like Trump. Whether he said it or not makes no difference to me and will not change my opinion of the POS I think the same is true for most whether they support him or not.... :shrug:
On Trump's deferments:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-vietnam-despite-five-deferments-hed-have-been-honored-to-serve/2019/06/05/88a17bfe-87a2-11e9-a870-b9c411dc4312_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-vietnam-despite-five-deferments-hed-have-been-honored-to-serve/2019/06/05/88a17bfe-87a2-11e9-a870-b9c411dc4312_story.html)
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As someone who volunteered and served during that time and lost friends and relatives during the war I have no respect for chicken shit draft dodgers like Trump. Whether he said it or not makes no difference to me and will not change my opinion of the POS I think the same is true for most whether they support him or not.... :shrug:
@montanajoe
I really don't give a Biden if someone was a draft-dodger or not. I DO know that I didn't want to be in VN and needing help have to call on someone who didn't want to be there.
Hell,in one respect I even admire them for standing up for what they believed,even if was they believed they were cowards. Who am I to argue with them over that? After all,who knows them better?
As for rich kids that got deferments,I don't give a Bush about them,either. IF they had gotten drafted and sent to VN,they would have became commissioned officers assigned to non-combat "keep busy and pull your tour" duty anyway,so from MY POV as an infantryman,they wouldn't have been "there" anyhow.
If you didn't WANT to be there,I didn't want you there and in a position where I needed your help and you failed to provide it. Do me and all the others on the front line a favor,and stay the hell home!
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Back on topic, have The Atlantic's annoymorous sources popped their heads up and proven they exist and were there with Trump in France?
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Back on topic, have The Atlantic's annoymorous sources popped their heads up and proven they exist and were there with Trump in France?
Lol! Nope, and I don't expect they ever will. They may be cray-cray but they aren't stoopy-stoopy.
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Lol! Nope, and I don't expect they ever will. They may be cray-cray but they aren't stoopy-stoopy.
The next false hit-piece will probably be released later this week, I'm guessing Friday evening when responses might get less attention (akin to the Clinton Friday night docu-dumps of the 1990s).
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I believe there will be political hits upon the Presidency from now till the Election Day, hell his convicted Lawyer's book in coming out soon. The probability that he'll survive is still encouraging.
After all, by now, you'd think he doesn't have much penis to step on.
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The next false hit-piece will probably be released later this week, I'm guessing Friday evening when responses might get less attention (akin to the Clinton Friday night docu-dumps of the 1990s).
Thursday, if Sloe Joe's team have the ads ready in time.
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I believe there will be political hits upon the Presidency from now till the Election Day, hell his convicted Lawyer's book in coming out soon. The probability that he'll survive is still encouraging.
After all, by now, you'd think he doesn't have much penis to step on.
It's not the sleazy media attacks he/we should worry about. It's all those last minute ballots they'll spend all of November counting.
Even though polysci expert & hardcore constitutionalist rodent looking mofo Mark Zuckerberg says such an unprecedented event would be 'totally legit'.
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It will be Brutal @skeeter and someone brought earlier, I think @jmyrlefuller There'll be riots and more BS with whoever wins, just like since 2016.
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It will be Brutal @skeeter and someone brought earlier, I think @jmyrlefuller There'll be riots and more BS with whoever wins, just like since 2016.
It will be a mess for sure, but our side don't do riots, @corbe.
Perhaps what @jmyrlefuller meant was if we win, they riot. If they win, they riot.
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It will be a mess for sure, but our side don't do riots, @corbe.
Perhaps what @jmyrlefuller meant was if we win, they riot. If they win, they riot.
The riots are going to continue regardless of who wins.
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The riots are going to continue regardless of who wins.
Heels-Up tipped their hand on that.
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Are military members permitted to get involved in politics involving the CIC?? (Serious question)
@Wingnut @txradioguy @Bigun @sneakypete
To a certain extent you can...it's a very fine line to walk...one pinkie toe off that line and you get the full force of the UCMJ tossed at you.
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Are military members permitted to get involved in politics involving the CIC?? (Serious question)
@Wingnut @txradioguy @Bigun @sneakypete
@Cyber Liberty
Not back in my day. BIG Bozo No-No.
I even refused to vote when I was in the army. I saw it as a conflict of interest.
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The Trump Fan Club is in a hysterical, yet perhaps justifiable, rage over these accusations;
so a direct and simple question?
At present there are thousands of serving US Military Officers, across all branches,
at/above the rank of Colonel; a number of whom have served under Trump.
Why has not a single Officer, as yet, spoken up to defend Trump and challenge these allegations ???
@Absalom
Clearly,you have never served,have you?
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@Cyber Liberty
Not back in my day. BIG Bozo No-No.
I even refused to vote when I was in the army. I saw it as a conflict of interest.
I think Carter or Clinton changed the policy to benefit themselves more.
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@Absalom
Clearly,you have never served,have you?
Thanks for quoting him. It reminds me why I have him blocked.
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I think Carter or Clinton changed the policy to benefit themselves more.
There was a distinct turn towards the political...especially in the General Officer's corps thanks to Billy Jeff.
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Thanks for quoting him. It reminds me why I have him blocked.
He doesn't add much value, some days. When it gets to zero I'll be taking a look at his membership. :shrug:
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Thanks for quoting him. It reminds me why I have him blocked.
I'll follow your lead and do the same. It will certainly save me some aggravation.
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I think Carter or Clinton changed the policy to benefit themselves more.
@Cyber Liberty
AFAIK,there has never been a policy forbidding US military members from voting. I even remember someone asking me if I had registered to vote in the mid-60's.
I just thought it was a conflict of interest. Truth to tell,I still think it is a conflict of interest.
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There was a distinct turn towards the political...especially in the General Officer's corps thanks to Billy Jeff.
@txradioguy
Many of those asshats have been political,beginning after the end of WW-2,and Ike became President.
I guess some of the yahoos with stars were seeing White Houses in their dreams.
Some people claim McArthur was the first serious General Officer who was a President wannabe,but I disagree. He thought he was God,and would never have agreed to stepping down to be a mere President.