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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: corbe on February 11, 2018, 06:11:42 am
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Couple sells everything for sailboat. It sinks on day 2
Ryan W. Miller
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© Jim Damaske, AP Tanner Broadwell holds his dog with Nikki Walsh at Madeira Beach, Fla., on Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2018. The couple who abandoned their workaday lives to buy a sailboat for a once-in-a-lifetime adventure instead lost almost everything when it sank on day two of their journey off Florida. They escaped injury when the 28-foot boat hit something and capsized Wednesday in the Gulf of Mexico near Madeira Beach.
A Colorado couple said they sold everything they owned to buy a sailboat and set out for the open seas together.
Within two days, their dream became a nautical nightmare.
On their way to Key West, Tanner Broadwell and Nikki Walsh's voyage abruptly ended in John’s Pass off Madeira Beach, Fla., when their 28-foot sailboat struck something underwater Wednesday night.
"We hit something in about 8 or 9 feet of water and it stopped the boat completely," Broadwell told TV station WFTS.
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Should have bought bitcoin.
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:silly: There's dumb, and then there's dumber and then there's just plain stupid. The folks are just plain stupid!! Selling their worldly possessions to buy a 29 year old sailboat to embark on a sailing 'voyage' with admittedly very little sailing experience. Yeppers, you just can't make this kind of stupid up!! :silly:
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Broadwell and Walsh left Colorado last year after selling off all their belongings, including a car, to buy Lagniappe for $5,000. It took a year and another $5,000 to get the boat ready to sail, Tampa Bay Times reported.
LOL. All the shit they owned came to a grand total of $10K. What a bunch of slack assed losers.
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No sailing experience and they were going to sail around the world...fate did them a favor and sunk their boat...idiots....like their dog though...used to have 3 pugs..
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No sailing experience and they were going to sail around the world...fate did them a favor and sunk their boat...idiots....like their dog though...used to have 3 pugs..
I can't stop laughing that they thought they were going to tour the world on a $5K boat. Bet they didn't even have current charts on the boat.
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Broadwell and Walsh left Colorado last year after selling off all their belongings, including a car, to buy Lagniappe for $5,000. It took a year and another $5,000 to get the boat ready to sail, Tampa Bay Times reported.
LOL. All the shit they owned came to a grand total of $10K. What a bunch of slack assed losers.
Double Wides don't fetch much on the used market these days.
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The really sad part is it wasn't even weather that caused them to sink.
Step one should have been a sailing course. Plenty of good ones here
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No sailing experience and they were going to sail around the world...fate did them a favor and sunk their boat...idiots....like their dog though...used to have 3 pugs..
Doggie is very cute.
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I can't stop laughing that they thought they were going to tour the world on a $5K boat. Bet they didn't even have current charts on the boat.
The husband totally misunderstood the seller when he was told he would enjoy the sextant during the journey.
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I can't stop laughing that they thought they were going to tour the world on a $5K boat. Bet they didn't even have current charts on the boat.
@Frank Cannon
Charts? I got a cell phone I don't need charts
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Doggie is very cute.
Wanna buy it? I hear they are hard up for cash.
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@Frank Cannon
Charts? I got a cell phone I don't need charts
Probably a Tracfone flip.
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The really sad part is it wasn't even weather that caused them to sink.
Step one should have been a sailing course. Plenty of good ones here
Sounds like they didn't get a lot for their money.
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Looks like these two morons started a crowd funding page to help them recoup their losses. It is up to 8K.
I'm going to start a crowd fund to have these nitwits sterilized.
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Sounds like they didn't get a lot for their money.
Sailing lessons cost about 400 and take some time. Beginning to blue water classes are available.
Lots of cheap crappy boats too.
They aren't alone though. It's wise to stay off the water here during holidays. Downright dangerous with all the nitwits.
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Humanity Has Failed: Millennials Who Sank Boat They Couldn't Sail Get $13,000 In Donations For New Boat
The couple is looking to replace their "sunken dreams."
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/27051/humanity-has-failed-millennials-who-sank-boat-they-emily-zanotti (https://www.dailywire.com/news/27051/humanity-has-failed-millennials-who-sank-boat-they-emily-zanotti)
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I'll pitch in to get them new hats. Anyone know their 'capsize'...?
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Reports are they have enough money to buy a better boat. Plans are to set sail the 1st week of Hurricane season 2018.
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Reports are they have enough money to buy a better boat. Plans are to set sail the 1st week of Hurricane season 2018.
@Wingnut
They didn't make it out of the inter coastal water way. Which means they went about 2 miles and certainly didn't get into the gulf proper.
I can go further in a kayak.
Isn't it painful to be this stupid so publicly?
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@Wingnut
They didn't make it out of the inter coastal water way. Which means they went about 2 miles and certainly didn't get into the gulf proper.
I can go further in a kayak.
Isn't it painful to be this stupid so publicly?
What is worse they are being rewarded for it with the crowd funding BS. Stupid should have a cost associated with it! lol
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Reports are they have enough money to buy a better boat. Plans are to set sail the 1st week of Hurricane season 2018.
LMAO
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What is worse they are being rewarded for it with the crowd funding BS. Stupid should have a cost associated with it! lol
@Wingnut
heck I'll donate $5 towards the cause. It'll be cheap entertainment when they screw up again.
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These idiots got stoned and watched The Love Boat for their boat skills.
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@Wingnut
They didn't make it out of the inter coastal water way. Which means they went about 2 miles and certainly didn't get into the gulf proper.
I can go further in a kayak.
Isn't it painful to be this stupid so publicly?
That explains why they "hit something." They weren't in deep water. Either they didn't have a chart of the channel or they could not read it, there's really no excuse for hitting something. It's like my brother used to tell me about driving my car: "Bro, there's no excuse for a one-car crash."
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The GoFundMe is pushing $15K. Maybe this time they can afford some sailing lessons, nav gear and some insurance.
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The GoFundMe is pushing $15K. Maybe this time they can afford some sailing lessons, nav gear and some insurance.
Hell no. They are going to buy the same shitty boat without any navigation equipment, but they are going to get it wrapped in loud colors with Zen sayings.
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Hell no. They are going to buy the same shitty boat without any navigation equipment, but they are going to get it wrapped in loud colors with Zen sayings.
Honestly you don't need nav gear to go from where they started to the Keys. You just follow the coast line and stop when you smell Margaritas.
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@Frank Cannon
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-hunter-260-103094214/?refSource=standard%20listing (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-hunter-260-103094214/?refSource=standard%20listing)
An example of what you can get for under 15k. Not really that bad.
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Honestly you don't need nav gear to go from where they started to the Keys. You just follow the coast line and stop when you smell Margaritas.
Apparently a chart to tell them where underwater obstacles are located would have been at least a minor help. (I guess the boat they had had a deep draft.) And their eventual plans were/are for deep water once they got the hang of not hitting underwater obstacles.
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@Frank Cannon
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-hunter-260-103094214/?refSource=standard%20listing (http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-hunter-260-103094214/?refSource=standard%20listing)
An example of what you can get for under 15k. Not really that bad.
LOL. Yeah right. I have been screwing around with boats for years. The pictures always look better than the actual boat in person. I'll also bet that motor is shot because salt water eats the shit out of them if you don't do constant maintenance, which most sail boat owners never do.
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Apparently a chart to tell them where underwater obstacles are located would have been at least a minor help. (I guess the boat they had had a deep draft.) And their eventual plans were/are for deep water once they got the hang of not hitting underwater obstacles.
IF they knew how to read the chart it might have helped. I doubt they could and further doubt they had the skills to avoid it even if the had the chart and could read it.
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Apparently a chart to tell them where underwater obstacles are located would have been at least a minor help. (I guess the boat they had had a deep draft.) And their eventual plans were/are for deep water once they got the hang of not hitting underwater obstacles.
lol you don't even need that. That pass is marked with bouys. Just keep between the red one and green one and you are fine. At least until you get out into the deep water. You know where its maybe 20ft deep. Out a few miles and it gets up to about 50 feet deep. Not all sandbars are on the charts.
The draft for those size of boats is 2-3 feet. Definitely a problem at low tide if you are out of the channel.
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Wow. The nastiness quotient is high today. There’s nothing wrong with feeling some sympathy for them, even if their ignorance was their undoing.
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Wow. The nastiness quotient is high today. There’s nothing wrong with feeling some sympathy for them, even if their ignorance was their undoing.
OK, I have sympathy for the ignorant fools. It's a sad story of millennials, whaa. They should pay for the costs of their rescue out of the GoFundMe cash before they go buy another boat, and get some lessons and insurance, too.
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The draft for those size of boats is 2-3 feet. Definitely a problem at low tide if you are out of the channel.
You have to account for the keel on a sailboat.
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You have to account for the keel on a sailboat.
Correct. The story says they hit something in 8-9 feet of water.
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OK, I have sympathy for the ignorant fools. It's a sad story of millennials, whaa. They should pay for the costs of their rescue out of the GoFundMe cash before they go buy another boat, and get some lessons and insurance, too.
@Cyber Liberty
Well the good news is they didnt make it out of the pass, so the rescue was basically throwing them a flotation ring.... ok it was a little more but not much.
I would love a sailboat. Sail down to the Bahamas or similiar. But the first step for me to do that is take sailing lessons.
Getting caught in a storm scares the heck outta me.
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Wow. The nastiness quotient is high today. There’s nothing wrong with feeling some sympathy for them, even if their ignorance was their undoing.
Normally I would agree..but the stupidity of these two is breath taking....
It's like me buying a small airplane and going to start flying... :smokin:
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You have to account for the keel on a sailboat.
@edpc
So about the only sailboats you can get for 15k is up to about a 25' thats 20 to 30 years old.
If you look up 25' sailboats they indicate the draft is between 2 to 3 feet depending on the model. Some go to 5' with the keel but it really depends on the model.
There are plenty of places in that area which are not that deep, unless you stay in the channel.
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@Cyber Liberty
Well the good news is they didnt make it out of the pass, so the rescue was basically throwing them a flotation ring.... ok it was a little more but not much.
I would love a sailboat. Sail down to the Bahamas or similiar. But the first step for me to do that is take sailing lessons.
Getting caught in a storm scares the heck outta me.
You've told me your hobby is ocean kayaking, IIRC, and if you say something about the sea scares you, then it scares me too. If I had a question about seafaring, you are probably the guy I'd ask.
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@edpc So about the only sailboats you can get for 15k is up to about a 25' thats 20 to 30 years old.
If you look up 25' sailboats they indicate the draft is between 2 to 3 feet depending on the model. Some go to 5' with the keel but it really depends on the model.
There are plenty of places in that area which are not that deep, unless you stay in the channel.
The draft and potential keel length sounds like they were just asking for it, with any irregularities on the bottom, given the reported depth. Almost no margin for error.
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@edpc
So about the only sailboats you can get for 15k is up to about a 25' thats 20 to 30 years old.
If you look up 25' sailboats they indicate the draft is between 2 to 3 feet depending on the model. Some go to 5' with the keel but it really depends on the model.
There are plenty of places in that area which are not that deep, unless you stay in the channel.
Story says the boat is a 28-footer, so I'd buy your estimates. Apparently it's a pretty old boat, because they had to put another $5K into it to get it seaworthy.
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You've told me your hobby is ocean kayaking, IIRC, and if you say something about the sea scares you, then it scares me too. If I had a question about seafaring, you are probably the guy I'd ask.
@Cyber Liberty
I went spear fishing with a friend. He has an old 1960s boat with two newer engines. We went out 56 miles and the waves were about 8ft. We'd drop off the boat and he'd throw a weighted plastic jug in to mark us. With the waves you couldnt see the jugs. I trust him but wouldnt do it that way with anyone else. Thinking about being out 56 miles kinda scares me though.
I've been in 4 to 5 foot seas in a kayak. That was sporty with the wind blowing the waves over the bow.
That said I'm an amateur when it comes to saling.
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We still have the Sailboat Phantom Of the Aqua beached about two miles up the coast from my house. This Howdy Doody was the guy the Coast Guard plucked of his boot during a Hurricane last summer. Everyone figured the boat had sunk. Nope. Bitch washed up next to the Sandestin Hilton and proceeded to drift up to Miramar Beach where she is catching some rays on the beach. Owner also Sunk his life saving into the boat and can't afford the money to salvage it. Couple weeks ago the Coast Guard from Pensacola came over and drained all the Gas, Oil, Coolant took the batteries and hazardous stuff off so it didn't contaminate the beach.
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We still have the Sailboat Phantom Of the Aqua beached about two miles up the coast from my house. This Howdy Doody was the guy the Coast Guard plucked of his boot during a Hurricane last summer. Everyone figured the boat had sunk. Nope. Bitch washed up next to the Sandestin Hilton and proceeded to drift up to Miramar Beach where she is catching some rays on the beach. Owner also Sunk his life saving into the boat and can't afford the money to salvage it. Couple weeks ago the Coast Guard from Pensacola came over and drained all the Gas, Oil, Coolant took the batteries and hazardous stuff off so it didn't contaminate the beach.
(http://media.graytvinc.com/images/phantom+of+the+aqua.jpg)
Can't anybody with the bucks come and salvage it now, or does this guy have to officially sign off his rights to the vessel? Seems to me at some point it should be considered abandoned.
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LOL. Yeah right. I have been screwing around with boats for years. The pictures always look better than the actual boat in person. I'll also bet that motor is shot because salt water eats the shit out of them if you don't do constant maintenance, which most sail boat owners never do.
When he was in high school, my bother was friends with the son of a retired Master Chief. Once his friend went to college, the dad sold their sailboat, since he no longer had dependable free maintenance.
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These idiots remind me of some folks outside of Sacramento.
They got lost in one of those corn maze things, and called 9-1-1 to help get 'em out.
(Paid to go into the cornfield maze thing, no less).
I laughed my rear end off, and turned to my friend, and said "Well, it's over. It was fun while it lasted, but humanity is done".
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Can't anybody with the bucks come and salvage it now, or does this guy have to officially sign off his rights to the vessel? Seems to me at some point it should be considered abandoned.
I seem to recall the cost to salvage is 20 to 30K Boat is worth 5. Guy walked away
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Normally I would agree..but the stupidity of these two is breath taking....
It's like me buying a small airplane and going to start flying... :smokin:
You mean like in the good old days, before goobmint regulation, when anybody with a couple of bucks could pick up a surplus Jenny and become a barnstormer?
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I seem to recall the cost to salvage is 20 to 30K Boat is worth 5. Guy walked away
A lot of the boats for sale have some hurricane damage. I've seen some that had water stains in the cabin.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Lee_Graham
"Robin Lee Graham (born March 5, 1949) is an American sailor. He set out to sail around the world alone as a teenager in the summer of 1965. National Geographic Magazine ( Oct. '68, April '69, Oct. '70) carried the story, and he co-wrote a book, titled Dove, detailing his journey.
Before beginning his around-the-world journey, Graham had sailed alone from California to Hawaii on July 21, 1965. However, he declared the official starting point of his around-the-world journey to be Hawaii, where he and his family lived at the time. At the age of sixteen, he started out heading west in his 24-foot sloop. He was originally given two kittens for company, that he named Joliette and Suzette, and through his travels lost and gained several more, ultimately docking with Kili, Pooh, and Piglet. He married along the way and, after almost five years, ended his journey in Los Angeles instead of finishing his around-the-world journey where he started in Hawaii. He and his wife, Patti Ratterree, briefly attended Stanford University, then settled in Montana.
Graham's book about his voyage, Dove, was published in 1972. His voyage was depicted in a film, The Dove (1974). A follow-up book, Home Is The Sailor, was published in 1983."
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For a time, I was fascinated with sailing.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Lee_Graham
"Robin Lee Graham (born March 5, 1949) is an American sailor. He set out to sail around the world alone as a teenager in the summer of 1965. National Geographic Magazine ( Oct. '68, April '69, Oct. '70) carried the story, and he co-wrote a book, titled Dove, detailing his journey.
Before beginning his around-the-world journey, Graham had sailed alone from California to Hawaii on July 21, 1965. However, he declared the official starting point of his around-the-world journey to be Hawaii, where he and his family lived at the time. At the age of sixteen, he started out heading west in his 24-foot sloop. He was originally given two kittens for company, that he named Joliette and Suzette, and through his travels lost and gained several more, ultimately docking with Kili, Pooh, and Piglet. He married along the way and, after almost five years, ended his journey in Los Angeles instead of finishing his around-the-world journey where he started in Hawaii. He and his wife, Patti Ratterree, briefly attended Stanford University, then settled in Montana.
Graham's book about his voyage, Dove, was published in 1972. His voyage was depicted in a film, The Dove (1974). A follow-up book, Home Is The Sailor, was published in 1983."
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For a time, I was fascinated with sailing.
I loved the book about his trip when I was young.
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You have to account for the keel on a sailboat.
They cut the Keel off the boat because the word sounded racist to them and they didn't want to be triggered on their trip.
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They cut the Keel off the boat because the word sounded racist to them and they didn't want to be triggered on their trip.
Hope they never go to Scotland. Hearing 'kilt' might cause permanent damage.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Lee_Graham
"Robin Lee Graham (born March 5, 1949) is an American sailor. He set out to sail around the world alone as a teenager in the summer of 1965. National Geographic Magazine ( Oct. '68, April '69, Oct. '70) carried the story, and he co-wrote a book, titled Dove, detailing his journey.
Didn't Graham grow up in a boating family and was extremely experienced for his age, unlike these inland Snowflakes?
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Didn't Graham grow up in a boating family and was extremely experienced for his age, unlike these inland Snowflakes?
And not once did he receive a Participation Trophy.
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Didn't Graham grow up in a boating family and was extremely experienced for his age, unlike these inland Snowflakes?
That is probably correct. But a 16 yr. old in a 24 ft. vessel, was very noteworthy at the time, and remains so in my view.
Top is a 23 ft. Marlin.
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First singlehanded circumnavigation: Joshua Slocum, Canadian by birth, American by naturalization.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Slocum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Slocum)