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The Comprehensive Timeline of China’s COVID-19 Lies
By Jim Geraghty
March 23, 2020 9:13 AM
On today’s menu: a day-by-day, month-by-month breakdown of China’s coronavirus coverup and the irreparable damage it has caused around the globe.
The Timeline of a Viral Ticking Time Bomb
The story of the coronavirus pandemic is still being written. But at this early date, we can see all kinds of moments where different decisions could have lessened the severity of the outbreak we are currently enduring. You have probably heard variations of: “Chinese authorities denied that the virus could be transferred from human to human until it was too late.†What you have probably not heard is how emphatically, loudly, and repeatedly the Chinese government insisted human transmission was impossible, long after doctors in Wuhan had concluded human transmission was ongoing — and how the World Health Organization assented to that conclusion, despite the suspicions of other outside health experts.
Clearly, the U.S. government’s response to this threat was not nearly robust enough, and not enacted anywhere near quickly enough. Most European governments weren’t prepared either. Few governments around the world were or are prepared for the scale of the danger. We can only wonder whether accurate and timely information from China would have altered the way the U.S. government, the American people, and the world prepared for the oncoming danger of infection.
Some point in late 2019: The coronavirus jumps from some animal species to a human being. The best guess at this point is that it happened at a Chinese “wet market.â€
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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/)
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The level of detail of this article is *bouche* *bouche* *bouche* *bouche* *bouche* ! And if it had ears, supporting links would be flowing out!
Just a quickie example:
* I knew that WHO had Tweeted on 1/14 that China had reported that there was no evidence of human-human transmission of coronavirus;
* And I knew that Trump started the screening of passengers arriving from China on 1/17;
* This article shows that it was already obvious in late December that human-human transmission had happened;
* This article shows that China maintained their false claim for several days after Trump started the passenger screening.
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I don't know if this was posted, the Nevada Democratic Governor is limiting the use of some medicines for Coronavirus patients. Brilliant (/s).
Mindy Robinson
Flag of United States
@iheartmindy
My scumbag governor just restricted the use of a prescription medicine proven to help those with coronavirus...and for what? All the imaginary cases of malaria we don’t have in Nevada? Way to hoard a possible cure for yourself, elites. 👌🏻
#VoteDemsOut
Governor Sisolak
@GovSisolak
Today, I signed an emergency regulation limiting the prescription & issuance of two drugs that have unproven results with treating COVID-19. While these drugs serve necessary medical purposes, this regulation protects the Nevadans who need them and prevents unnecessary hoarding.
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https://twitter.com/iheartmindy/status/1242654365355147267
I haven't read into the matter, just heard about it on a general basis. The governor's tweet says "limiting" versus "barring", so check up on it for oneself.
Anyway, some are up in arms about this decision.
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Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
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Jackson Browne Tests Positive for Coronavirus: 'My Symptoms Are Pretty Mild'
Jackson Browne has tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19).
Browne, 71, announced his diagnosis during an interview with Rolling Stone published on Tuesday, explaining, “My symptoms are really pretty mild.â€
Browne explained he decided to get tested after he noticed he had “small cough†and a “temperature,†he told the magazine.
Browne told Rolling Stone his symptoms are “pretty mild†and added, “I don’t require any kind of medication and certainly not hospitalization or anything like that.â€
The musician is now recovering at his home in Los Angeles, California and has been self isolating for about “10 days.â€
https://people.com/music/jackson-browne-tests-positive-coronavirus/
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Wow. Jackson Browne and Prince Charles on the same day? And they’re both 71.
I hope they both get well.
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Re: All the Drugs Proving Anecdotally Effective Against COVID-19, and the Companies That Make Them
« Reply #3244 on: Today at 06:59:25 AM »
Throw in megadoses of Vitamin C to that list.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/
@jmyrlefuller
This was from the other thread that is now closed BUT... it seems "Airborne", "Emergen-C", those are important, I got Walgreen's budget brand.
In the same manner, I would think one should not be left vulnerable to say, a lot of sugar, I would think some things might lower immunity.
So, one hits the vitamin C (and other, zinc?) and this makes immunity stronger, would it actually fend off the virus activvely? Not allowing it to find a host? I would hope so.
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Governor Sisolak
@GovSisolak
Today, I signed an emergency regulation limiting the prescription & issuance of two drugs that have unproven results with treating COVID-19. While these drugs serve necessary medical purposes, this regulation protects the Nevadans who need them and prevents unnecessary hoarding.
How do you hoard something that requires a prescription?
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How do you hoard something that requires a prescription?
I think that might be more geared toward the fish tank cleaner market.
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How do you hoard something that requires a prescription?
I take some meds that usually only get a 30 day renewal at a time. Since February I’ve been getting 90 days on all my scripts whether I asked for it or not.
Now I’m down to like six weeks on most of them and I got a call from CVS to pick up two more scripts that were renewed without me asking for it, for another 90 days.
I hope the drug companies don’t think this is going to go though June or later, or they’re erring on the side of caution
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Wow. Jackson Browne and Prince Charles on the same day? And they’re both 71.
I hope they both get well.
Jackson Browne got tested? I guess his celebrity had nothing to do with him getting priority. /s
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Doctors: Abortions during Coronavirus Irresponsible (https://www.lifenews.com/2020/03/24/30000-doctors-say-killing-babies-in-abortions-during-the-coronavirus-crisis-is-medically-irresponsible/)
Both Mississippi and Maryland have banned abortions during Coronavirus
The silver lining!
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US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019 (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-most-prepared-country-in-the-world-for-pandemics-johns-hopkins-study-found-in-2019)
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Man Who Said ‘If I Get Corona, I Get Corona,’ Is Sorry
BY JACK PHILLIPS
March 25, 2020 Updated: March 25, 2020
A man who made headlines saying that he would continue to party in Florida amid the coronavirus pandemic has issued an apology.
“If I get corona, I get corona. At the end of the day, I’m not gonna let it stop me from partying,†Brady Sluder told news outlets last week in Miami, which drew international headlines and widespread condemnation. “We’re just out here having a good time. Whatever happens, happens.â€
But in an Instagram post this week, Sluder issued an apology over his remarks.
Read more at: https://m.theepochtimes.com/man-who-said-if-i-get-corona-i-get-corona-is-sorry_3285191.html
Yes, I did see him say this on the news.
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Jackson Browne got tested? I guess his celebrity had nothing to do with him getting priority. /s
Hasn't the entire NBA been tested? No wonder the tests are in short supply.
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2020-03-25 15:26 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 5.67 ↓ | 3.93 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 0.69 ↑ | 102.69 ↓ |
| China | 22.45 ↑ | 1.10 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Heading in right direction today. 568 total recoveries for US/CAN/MEX.
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Hasn't the entire NBA been tested? No wonder the tests are in short supply.
We are being told that even if we have extended close contact with someone who tests positive, we cannot get tested until we show symptoms.
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@jmyrlefuller
This was from the other thread that is now closed BUT... it seems "Airborne", "Emergen-C", those are important, I got Walgreen's budget brand.
In the same manner, I would think one should not be left vulnerable to say, a lot of sugar, I would think some things might lower immunity.
So, one hits the vitamin C (and other, zinc?) and this makes immunity stronger, would it actually fend off the virus activvely? Not allowing it to find a host? I would hope so.
Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C is much more effective as it has a much higher absorption rate while not disturbing your digestive tract. You can easily take 3 grams a day for example with no negative side effects.
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Another 5,000 new cases in NY. Growth appears to be solidly linear at this point.
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Throw in megadoses of Vitamin C to that list.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/
Although those treatments are IV, it is still a good idea to keep your system saturated. I have been taking 1000 mg every two hours just as a precaution. Vitamin C is an effective anti-histamine in very large doses, and can counteract the inflammation of the lungs which occurs with SARS-CoV-2.
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Although those treatments are IV, it is still a good idea to keep your system saturated. I have been taking 1000 mg every two hours just as a precaution. Vitamin C is an effective anti-histamine in very large doses, and can counteract the inflammation of the lungs which occurs with SARS-CoV-2.
You can get similar doses into your blood stream as an IV using Lypo-Spheric C.
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Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C is much more effective as it has a much higher absorption rate while not disturbing your digestive tract. You can easily take 3 grams a day for example with no negative side effects.
I'm doing about 10 grams a day with zero negative effect. I've never had any negative effect from massive Vitamin C doses. Used to take it for poison ivy when I was younger to stop the itching.
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I'm doing about 10 grams a day with zero negative effect. I've never had any negative effect from massive Vitamin C doses. Used to take it for poison ivy when I was younger to stop the itching.
Most people get diarrhea with that much C by mouth. Only a fraction of your dose is actually absorbed.
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New York update:
Cases up 5,000, again. Third straight day it's hovered around that figure. We're approaching two weeks since social distancing began in earnest so if this works, numbers should start dropping quickly.
Noted that hospitalization increases have slowed and that areas outside New York City appear to be slowing faster. I don't have county-by-county, day-by-day comparisons to verify that.
Still at a plateau in new cases, but peak hospitalization is now projected at 21 days.
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Most people get diarrhea with that much C by mouth. Only a fraction of your dose is actually absorbed.
Only a fraction? Are you telling me I need to up it to 50 grams a day?
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Only a fraction? Are you telling me I need to up it to 50 grams a day?
I think the key is keeping the Vitamin C active like a metered titration. Me... going with 1000 mg , 3-4 times a day spread out during waking hours.
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Scary $hit, indeed.
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Scary $hit, indeed.
Tell me about it. This is what we get for letting that idiot Andy Beshear get elected.
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Only a fraction? Are you telling me I need to up it to 50 grams a day?
All I'm saying is most of the C you are taking doesn't make it into your blood stream. It promptly goes out the other end...
A 1.5 gram IV of C is similar to a about 8 or 9 grams of traditional oral C in terms of what makes it to your bloodstream. Two grams of Lypo-Spheric C is similar to the 1.5 gram IV. So if you want something similar to the 1.5 grams of IV C three times a day you'd have to take 25 grams of traditional oral C a day. The Lypo-Spheric equivalent would be about 5 grams a day with zero side affects.
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Scary $hit, indeed.
Getting screwed over by an overbearing, intrusive government here in Kentucky?
Call 1-800-bendovr
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I think the key is keeping the Vitamin C active like a metered titration. Me... going with 1000 mg , 3-4 times a day spread out during waking hours.
Yeah, that's my objective. I try popping one every 2-3 hrs.
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Although those treatments are IV, it is still a good idea to keep your system saturated. I have been taking 1000 mg every two hours just as a precaution. Vitamin C is an effective anti-histamine in very large doses, and can counteract the inflammation of the lungs which occurs with SARS-CoV-2.
Yep.
2 EmergenCs in the morning, and then switch to 2x500 tablets every time I eat (incl snacks)... so about the same... The EmergenCs have B vits in them too, so don't take em in the afternoon, or you might have trouble sleeping.
Staying just this side of the squirts, so I am dosed up alright.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242777450662244352
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
This is really great news! I am so happy I can barely speak. He may have been a terrible presidential candidate and an even worse U.S. Senator, but he is a RINO, and I like him a lot!
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Breitbart News @BreitbartNews
Mitt Romney Tests Negative for Coronavirus https://trib.al/ucI75Z2
6:36 AM · Mar 25, 2020
President Trump sounds a little sarcastic to me. Anybody else think so?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242777450662244352
6:36 AM · Mar 25, 2020
President Trump sounds a little sarcastic to me. Anybody else think so?
Not at all!!!!
(See what I did there? LOL!)
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A slight diversion, but not-too-far-off-topic:
Years ago, I remember reading a short story by Ray Bradbury, "The Fruit At The Bottom Of The Bowl". It tells about a man who committed a murder and becomes obsessed at removing any trace of evidence by cleaning every object at the scene of the crime.
You can grab a pdf of it here:
https://epdf.pub/queue/the-fruit-at-the-bottom-of-the-bowl66be73be030f9de48d562f8255f3148390224.html
Something to keep in mind as we try to "wipe away" the virus...!
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I think the key is keeping the Vitamin C active like a metered titration. Me... going with 1000 mg , 3-4 times a day spread out during waking hours.
Eat something fatty with the C. Your body will only absorb so much. Good fat helps with the absorption. A diet richer in things with Vitamin C are 'probably' more effective, with adding some pills, etc. than megadosing.
This is anecdotal info. I am not an MD.
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Reported cases vs deaths in state of La (state) at around a 3.7% death rate... understand that not everyone has been tested, but that is a killer rate.
350,000,000 folks times 3.7 ain't pretty. Almost 13 million... hopefully a lot of folks just didn't get tested... but we don't know.
OTOH... my state has nearly 500 infected after testing and none have died... 0%...
At what level does a state medical staff get overwhelmed and the rates of deaths suffer?
Being my state has basically doubled the infections in two days, and the charts show steep incline, we will soon find out.
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Idaho issues statewide ‘stay in place’ order over COVID-19
Don't know exactly what that means. I think the guv is going to do a speech later tonight or tomorrow.
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Idaho issues statewide ‘stay in place’ order over COVID-19
Don't know exactly what that means. I think the guv is going to do a speech later tonight or tomorrow.
Here they closed all the bars and Restaurants today because my County got patient #1. Gatherings kept small. Maybe some kind of curfew. Martial law stuff.
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All I know is if the govt starts handing out bailout money I vote they start at the bottom (me) and work their way up.
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All I know is if the govt starts handing out bailout money I vote they start at the bottom (me) and work their way up.
I'd be fine with that. My little town of 35K just had about 8K become instantly unemployed last Wednesday when the NV Governor closed all the casinos and restaurants (the hotels closed with them), and I'd prefer they get the cash rather than I.
I'm glad the casinos donated all their perishables from the restaurants to the local food banks. That will be a big help for the employees.
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I'd be fine with that. My little town of 35K just had about 8K become instantly unemployed last Wednesday when the NV Governor closed all the casinos and restaurants (the hotels closed with them), and I'd prefer they get the cash rather than I.
I'm glad the casinos donated all their perishables from the restaurants to the local food banks. That will be a big help for the employees.
When they closed the schools a week ago the neighbor gave us a box full of green jello cups meant for school lunches.
Anyone want some green jello?
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Just saw this headline @Yahoo Finance. Good news if you ask me.
J&J's Chief Scientific Officer predicts vaccinations against coronavirus within 12 months
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Just saw this headline @Yahoo Finance. Good news if you ask me.
J&J's Chief Scientific Officer predicts vaccinations against coronavirus within 12 months
Probably far sooner if all the red tape could be cut.
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Reported cases vs deaths in state of La (state) at around a 3.7% death rate... understand that not everyone has been tested, but that is a killer rate.
Louisiana now has a statewide stay-at-home order. I am currently under quarantine at work for the next two weeks.
Death rates (i.e. deaths per 100 confirmed cases) by age group are as follows:
Under 30 → 0 %
30 - 39 → 0.78 %
40 - 49 → 1.93 %
50 - 59 → 3.87 %
60 - 69 → 2.43 %
70 + → 10.53 %
Two thirds of all cases are in Orleans or Jefferson Parish.
http://ldh.la.gov/coronavirus/ (http://ldh.la.gov/coronavirus/)
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Fox News at Night with Shannon Bream...tonight's show in my humble opinion serves no one in this country.
First, she had Robert Reich, an economist that worked for three administration, a man I never heard utter one thing I ever agreed with, despite having been a Democrat at one time, who said we are facing a six or seven month shut down of the country. Well, oh ya, if that happens, we might as well rename the country Venezuela II. This man's opinion serves no one, not even the bizarre, radical left Democommies.
Then on top of this fool, she has on Dr. Mark Makary, from John Hopkins no less, and he is STILL singing the tune we will follow Italy when there is plenty of EVIDENCE to suggest otherwise. Fox News loses credibility having these schmucks on...just terrible. This is the moron claiming we will have 2 million dead this year. Ugggh. The man is a jack*ss!!!
So now, the vote for the corona virus by the House will not be held until Friday. Great sense of urgency by these MFers!!!
JUST REMEMBER, EVERY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE CONTINUES GETTING PAID WHILE THEY SIT AT HOME, WITH FULL BENEFITS. Most people here are retired, but think of those working stiffs that are working class or lower middle class that are one paycheck away from disaster, and these people are jerking around. As it is, the Dems are getting things in the bill that have nothing to do with the outbreak. How despicable. I cannot tell you how it offends me they have included tens of millions for the Kennedy Center in this legislation, and a dozen other pork items that are nothing short of disgusting.
Nothing would make me happier than for only two Dems to get elected in November. Pelosi and AOC. They are important for Republican votes. The rest can go to haddies.
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Rural America watches pandemic erupt in cities as fear grows
https://apnews.com/316123a978e61bc6df7863f05fa419fa
Also includes an up-to-date, county-by-county mapping of cases.
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Azithromycin has been used, with z-pack steroids, as a treatment for COPD flareups for quite awhile.
In fact, I had the combo after a flare up in January.
Theory that if it is bacterial, the azithromycin kills it.
If it is viral, the steroids won't kill it but will help you breathe easier.
I do not know anything, other than what I an reading, about that malaria drugs and why/why not would it work.
Seems odd, but it may work.
Vitamins A,B,C,D, and Zinc all help the immune system.
You can take as much C as your stomach and bowels can handle.
The body will just pass through what you don't use, so I've been told.
Vitamin D has limitations on how much you can take.
I do not know about A,B, and Zinc, the safety limits of those.
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Ok...how many other people are too lazy to shave, since we are stuck at home during this quarantine?
We are to hit over 90 degrees today, hopefully this will help kill the nasty virus.
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Hair cuts are a problem, I'm still weeks away from it becoming a problem. We will see. I have cut my own before but not successfully at that.
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Grocery store throws out $35,000 worth of food it says woman deliberately coughed on
Antonia Farzan
The past few weeks have been tough for Gerrity’s Supermarket, a small family-owned chain in northeastern Pennsylvania. Like grocers nationwide, it has been deluged with orders and has struggled to keep basics such as chicken breasts and toilet paper on the shelves. Employees have been working overtime, pausing only for five-second breaks to wipe everything down with disinfectant wipes.
Then, on Wednesday afternoon, a woman came in and deliberately coughed all over the produce section, meat case and bakery department, co-owner Joe Fasula said. The store had to throw away more than $35,000 (CAD$50,000) worth of food.
“Today was a very challenging day,†Fasula wrote in a message to shoppers on Facebook. “While there is little doubt this woman was doing it as a very twisted prank, we will not take any chances with the health and well-being of our customers."
Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/grocery-store-throws-out-dollar35000-worth-of-food-it-says-woman-deliberately-coughed-on/ar-BB11JM7L?OCID=ansmsnnews11 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/grocery-store-throws-out-dollar35000-worth-of-food-it-says-woman-deliberately-coughed-on/ar-BB11JM7L?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
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Hair cuts are a problem, I'm still weeks away from it becoming a problem. We will see. I have cut my own before but not successfully at that.
Fortunately I cut my husband's hair for decades, and my kids' and my own as well, so the two of us will be fine for the duration.
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New York update: not good.
After three state days level and hospitalizations slowing, new cases and hospitalizations both sharply up. Mostly in New York City by the looks of it.
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The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back The Apocalyptic Predictions
MARCH 26, 2020 By Madeline Osburn
British scientist Neil Ferguson ignited the world’s drastic response to the novel Wuhan coronavirus when he published the bombshell report predicting 2.2 million Americans and more than half a million Brits would be killed. After both the U.S. and U.K. governments effectively shut down their citizens and economies, Ferguson is walking back his doomsday scenarios.
Ferguson’s report from Imperial College, which White House and other officials took seriously, said that if the U.S. and U.K. did not shut down for 18 months, and isolation measures were not taken, “we would expect a peak in mortality (daily deaths) to occur after approximately 3 months.†His “models†showed overflowing hospitals and ICU beds.
“For an uncontrolled epidemic, we predict critical care bed capacity would be exceeded as early as the second week in April, with an eventual peak in ICU or critical care bed demand that is over 30 times greater than the maximum supply in both countries,†the report reads.
Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, reportedly said the administration was particularly focused on the Imperial College report’s conclusion that entire households should stay in isolation for 14 days if any member suffered from COVID-19 symptoms.
But after tens of thousands of restaurants, bars, and businesses closed, Ferguson is now retracting his modeling, saying he feels “reasonably confident†our health care system can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in a few weeks. Testifying before the U.K.’s parliamentary select committee on science and technology on Wednesday, Ferguson said he now predicts U.K. deaths from the disease will not exceed 20,000, and could be much lower...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/the-scientist-whose-doomsday-pandemic-model-predicted-armageddon-just-walked-back-the-apocalyptic-predictions/
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Ok...how many other people are too lazy to shave, since we are stuck at home during this quarantine?
We are to hit over 90 degrees today, hopefully this will help kill the nasty virus.
I ain't stuck at home. But I ain't shaved and won't till it gets too hot to keep the hair. Which predictably 90F would be. Heck 80F might be. But that's months off around here.
But even then, not like you're thinking. I have been clean shaven maybe once in twenty years. And that once was a mistake.
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I haven't shaved down to the skin in probably 38 years... I've never used a blade. Use a #4 clipper guard on the beard every once in awhile if it gets too bushy... Otherwise get my hair cut every 2 to 4 months, that is what hair I have left these days...
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Fortunately I cut my husband's hair for decades, and my kids' and my own as well, so the two of us will be fine for the duration.
I'm just going to let mine grow. In my bad ol' days, it was a lot longer.
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I ain't stuck at home. But I ain't shaved and won't till it gets too hot to keep the hair. Which predictably 90F would be. Heck 80F might be. But that's months off around here.
But even then, not like you're thinking. I have been clean shaven maybe once in twenty years. And that once was a mistake.
I have had a mustache since I was 15, for all but a couple of weeks, and a beard whenever I could in between then and now. So I have only been truly clean shaven for a couple of weeks in over 40 years. :shrug:
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I have had a mustache since I was 15, for all but a couple of weeks, and a beard whenever I could in between then and now. So I have only been truly clean shaven for a couple of weeks in over 40 years. :shrug:
Me too - have had a mustache at least since my 20s, with the exception of one time for stitches (would have looked stupid with only half)... and once when I had a small prairie fire on my face.Put that out without having to call the fire department... But everything was too singed to keep it.
Since my 30s anyway, I have had a full beard most of the time, with one singular exception: Lately, maybe a couple years ago, went out with a cowgirl who required the standard cowboy fare... Which is fine, as I am mostly that anyhow (fits alright with hillbilly appointments in general)... Except the clean shave and high-and-tight. Mustache was not threatened, but the rest of that cost me fitty bucks at the barber. Only time I have seen a barber in 30 years too.
But that didn't work out much longer than the weekend... she moseyed on along, and I went back to bushy. Won't do that again.
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Trudeau urges Trump to refrain from stationing American troops at US-Canada border
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trudeau-urges-trump-to-refrain-from-stationing-american-troops-at-us-canada-border (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trudeau-urges-trump-to-refrain-from-stationing-american-troops-at-us-canada-border)
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I hate hate hate hate shaving. But I don't like having hair on my neck/throat and high on my cheeks either. I shave typically about every fifth day, shooting for that Don Johnson Miami Vice look.
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I hate hate hate hate shaving. But I don't like having hair on my neck/throat and high on my cheeks either. I shave typically about every fifth day, shooting for that Don Johnson Miami Vice look.
Low testosterone soy boy beta males, like myself, have naturally slow hair growth. I often go a couple weeks without shaving, but eventually my sensitive skin compels me. I shoot for the freshly homeless look.
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03-26-2020 | 18:14 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 5.30 ↓ | 4.18 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 1.80 ↑ | 38.85 ↓ |
| China | 22.53 ↑ | 1.098↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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I will be doing a News Conference live from the @WhiteHouse at 5:00 P.M. (Eastern) to discuss the mtg of the G20 Leaders that took place this morning at 7:55 A.M. by World Teleconference. Also, my 12:00 P.M. Teleconference call w/50 Governors, plus Territories, will be discussed.
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1243219538562482177
Rudy W. Giuliani @RudyGiuliani
“Approximately 7500 people die every day in the United States.
That’s approximately 645,000 people so far this year.
Coronavirus has killed about 1,000 Americans this year.
Just a little perspective.†@RealCandaceO
11:53 AM · Mar 26, 2020
247 Americans died of coronavirus yesterday or about 1,000 every 4 days. And it's gonna get worse as the hospitals become overwhelmed.
Andrew Cuomo @NYGovCuomo
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NEW: @SoftBank
donated 1.4 million critically needed N-95 masks to us.
New York State thanks you.
We are so grateful for this PPE that protects our healthcare workers.
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I'm just going to let mine grow. In my bad ol' days, it was a lot longer.
So was my husband’s. I was sad when he started wanting it cut shorter to look a bit more professional...... during the ‘80’s I think....
He still has his moustache that he grew in college to look older! :laugh:
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In the Ohio press conference today the new numbers were announced.
Cases: 867
Deaths: 15
Important number..... 145 healthcare workers have tested positive.
Please remember that our staying home is helping to keep that number down.
If our medical professionals get sick, we’re all in big trouble.
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Low testosterone soy boy beta males, like myself, have naturally slow hair growth. I often go a couple weeks without shaving, but eventually my sensitive skin compels me. I shoot for the freshly homeless look.
I'm more caveman.
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musiclady wrote:
"If our medical professionals get sick, we’re all in big trouble..."
The mail came today with a letter from my primary care physician, who I've been seeing regularly for 23 years (and irregularly before that) -- he's retiring, effective next month.
Well... he's up around 80, so I guess he's earned a good retirement.
Perhaps he realized it's time to get out while the gettin' is still good, and he's still alive.
But it's not going to be easy to find a replacement...
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musiclady wrote:
"If our medical professionals get sick, we’re all in big trouble..."
The mail came today with a letter from my primary care physician, who I've been seeing regularly for 23 years (and irregularly before that) -- he's retiring, effective next month.
Well... he's up around 80, so I guess he's earned a good retirement.
Perhaps he realized it's time to get out while the gettin' is still good, and he's still alive.
But it's not going to be easy to find a replacement...
A business partner of ours has a good friend who was very ill with the virus. They had a hard time finding the malaria drug combo, but had connections to get it. The next day they were fine. Nice having first hand knowledge that it is working. Thank you Lord!
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Oh ... I'm so hoping that she sees that picture. Enough said. 888mouth
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Ok...how many other people are too lazy to shave, since we are stuck at home during this quarantine?
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Other than a brief time in 1985, I've had a ~full beard since 1982. Does that count? 888high58888
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By this page, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) , NY has 10X the number of coronavirus cases as does CA, despite CA having the higher population. Even if one factors in international airports' international travelers, LAX is not too far behind JFK, and SFO is slightly higher than EWR (Newark, NJ), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_United_States#25_busiest_US_airports_by_international_passenger_traffic_(2018) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_United_States#25_busiest_US_airports_by_international_passenger_traffic_(2018)) . Why are NY and NJ so far ahead of CA in coronavirus cases?
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musiclady wrote:
"If our medical professionals get sick, we’re all in big trouble..."
The mail came today with a letter from my primary care physician, who I've been seeing regularly for 23 years (and irregularly before that) -- he's retiring, effective next month.
Well... he's up around 80, so I guess he's earned a good retirement.
Perhaps he realized it's time to get out while the gettin' is still good, and he's still alive.
But it's not going to be easy to find a replacement...
In Ohio the health department is actually bringing back retired physicians to work the phones and do tele-medicine to free up active physicians to care for patients.
They’re also using medical students who are about to graduate and training surgeons (who are not doing elective surgeries) as NURSES.
The innovations are fantastic as the medical community deals with the worst healthcare crisis in 102 years.
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Pete wonders:
"Why are NY and NJ so far ahead of CA in coronavirus cases?"
Look who's runnin' those places.
Particularly Komrade Wilhelm, mayor of New York City, the American epicenter of the infection.
Unfortunately, NYC's blunders regarding the virus are spilling over to southwest Connecticut, where I'm at...
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Low testosterone soy boy beta males, like myself, have naturally slow hair growth. I often go a couple weeks without shaving, but eventually my sensitive skin compels me. I shoot for the freshly homeless look.
If you are going to shoot at something go for freshly dead /s.
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Potatoes wrote:
"A business partner of ours has a good friend who was very ill with the virus. They had a hard time finding the malaria drug combo, but had connections to get it. The next day they were fine. Nice having first hand knowledge that it is working"
I wouldn't mind hearing a little more about this, if there's any more to tell.
Also... what dosages were used?
Might be good info to have if I end up in the hospital here...!
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All that money spent for schooling for my daughter for to be a haircutter. She is out of work. Except for all the people calling her up. I used to tease her about the cost of a haircut for me based on what I paid for her schooling. I was fair. I would cut the amount of her schooling in half for each haircut. Now, apparently, I owe her money.
One other thing. From the looks of things today, in Idaho, the "shelter in place" order by the guv means get in your car and drive around aimlessly.
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All that money spent for schooling for my daughter for to be a haircutter. She is out of work. Except for all the people calling her up. I used to tease her about the cost of a haircut for me based on what I paid for her schooling. I was fair. I would cut the amount of her schooling in half for each haircut. Now, apparently, I owe her money.
One other thing. From the looks of things today, in Idaho, the "shelter in place" order by the guv means get in your car and drive around aimlessly.
We've seen folks from Idaho over this way for years practically living in their pickups, so that sounds about right...
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We've seen folks from Idaho over this way for years practically living in their pickups, so that sounds about right...
Can you blame them? Before it became a national craze, ya'll always did have a teepee shortage.
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We've seen folks from Idaho over this way for years practically living in their pickups, so that sounds about right...
been there done that. If there was a t-shirt for it nobody told me.
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Can you blame them? Before it became a national craze, ya'll always did have a teepee shortage.
Not so bad. Just drink more tea...
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been there done that. If there was a t-shirt for it nobody told me.
Why I have used vans for field vehicles going on 35 years, that, and your stuff stays dry (and yours).
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Why I have used vans for field vehicles going on 35 years, that, and your stuff stays dry (and yours).
Yep... Had me a 76 Chevy van for a while... Always was going to convert it to 4WD, but never did... That was smoothin it, compared to a doghouse on the back of the pickup.
But, fixin to build me a new doghouse for the pickup this spring... I wonder if it will be as nostalgic as I remember...
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Yep... Had me a 76 Chevy van for a while... Always was going to convert it to 4WD, but never did... That was smoothin it, compared to a doghouse on the back of the pickup.
But, fixin to build me a new doghouse for the pickup this spring... I wonder if it will be as nostalgic as I remember...
Always was going to convert it to 4WD, but never did...
Lack of rabbits...hahhahahahhaaa
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Always was going to convert it to 4WD, but never did...
Lack of rabbits...hahhahahahhaaa
:silly: Yeah... something like that. :beer:
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In the midst of a sizable amount of bad news today, some good news:
The CDC publishes a chart sorting new infections by date of first sign of illness (as opposed to the date the positive test is reported). There's a ten-day lag to allow for test processing, but new cases with symptoms that manifested March 14 went down 5% compared to those March 13. Again, consider: there is an average of five days' incubation before first symptoms.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html)
So logic would presume that a sharp decline in new cases should, indeed, be coming very soon. How soon? We don't know.
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In the midst of a sizable amount of bad news today, some good news:
The CDC publishes a chart sorting new infections by date of first sign of illness (as opposed to the date the positive test is reported). There's a ten-day lag to allow for test processing, but new cases with symptoms that manifested March 14 went down 5% compared to those March 13. Again, consider: there is an average of five days' incubation before first symptoms.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html)
So logic would presume that a sharp decline in new cases should, indeed, be coming very soon. How soon? We don't know.
Well maybe not so fast. A single day of decrease does not a trend make. It may be nothing more than an anomaly. Three or four days running with decreases would be the beginning of a reliable trend.
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Well maybe not so fast. A single day of decrease does not a trend make. It may be nothing more than an anomaly. Three or four days running with decreases would be the beginning of a reliable trend.
Right. But I base this not just on the data alone but on logic, considering the distancing measures began that week. This is the first datum to corroborate it.
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Right. But I base this not just on the data alone but on logic, considering the distancing measures began that week. This is the first datum to corroborate it.
I wasn't seeing much social distancing at our local walking park today. It seems the kids home from college feel the need to socialize with their buddies.
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I wasn't seeing much social distancing at our local walking park today. It seems the kids home from college feel the need to socialize with their buddies.
Voluntary quarantine is pretty much a waste of time... It does represent diminished risk at an individual level, when reasonably applied, but that really doesn't mean much in the aggregate, because of teenagers and such. It's a pretty slipshod system with loose protocols.
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Right. But I base this not just on the data alone but on logic, considering the distancing measures began that week. This is the first datum to corroborate it.
Good enough, but it still needs to show a trend.
Also seems hard to correlate, at least later, due to exponential testing increases. I don't know how to suss that out effectively. For instance, more detecting increases positives, but more positives decrease the mortality rate (as deaths remain counted evenly). A sharper pencil than mine would be needed.
But, that may all be after the data set you are looking at.
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Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
In the US, ventilators are in short supply, and private firms are stepping up to deliver these life-savers. The private sector is leading the fight against #Coronavirus. Once again, the #FreeMarket is achieving what bulky, bloated gov'ts seldom do.
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Lacking Ventilators, Hospitals Seek Out Alternative Device
To treat coronavirus patients, doctors modify oxygen device made by small Texas company now flooded with orders
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lacking-ventilators-hospitals-seek-out-alternative-device-11585154579?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=9 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/lacking-ventilators-hospitals-seek-out-alternative-device-11585154579?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=9)
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1243273145995452416 (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1243273145995452416)
So, that's interesting, he looks a bit like an astronaut. Paywall.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243407157321560071
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!
12:19 AM · Mar 27, 2020
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I wasn't seeing much social distancing at our local walking park today. It seems the kids home from college feel the need to socialize with their buddies.
People seem to be taking it very seriously where I am. Not seeing any group more than two, other than families. People who see each other on the street to talk are staying six feet apart.
And perhaps not coincidentally there are still no confirmed cases here. So I think there is hope, at least around here—so long as the vast majority of people are doing it. It doesn't even have to be everybody. Just enough, as the cliché goes, to "flatten the curve." (Though I'd argue that it's not so much one curve but a bunch of little ones.)
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BREAKING
Coronavirus: Boris Johnson tests positive for COVID-19
Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus.
The prime minster tweeted: "Over the last 24 hours I have developed mild symptoms and tested positive for coronavirus.
"I am now self-isolating, but I will continue to lead the government's response via video-conference as we fight this virus.
"Together we will beat this. #StayHomeSaveLives."
More follows...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johnson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-11964493
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BREAKING
Health Secretary Matt Hancock tests positive for coronavirus
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Boris Johnson has also contracted COVID-19 and says he has a temperature and persistent cough.
Heath Secretary Matt Hancock has tested positive for coronavirus and is self-isolating at home with mild symptoms.
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-i-dont-think-we-are-crashing-economy-business-secretary-11964345
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I'm no doctor and don't play one on TEE BEE but it is my strong opinion that millions of people have had this particular brand of Coronavirus and never even knew it.
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I'm no doctor and don't play one on TEE BEE but it is my strong opinion that millions of people have had this particular brand of Coronavirus and never even knew it.
There are persistent suspicions that a particularly nasty chest cold that swept through this area this past winter may have been covid-19.
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There are persistent suspicions that a particularly nasty chest cold that swept through this area this past winter may have been covid-19.
So it would seem that those infected then do not have immunity?
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So it would seem that those infected then do not have immunity?
Or the people are being needlessly stampeded.
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WOW! Dr. Fauci in New England Journal of Medicine Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/wow-dr-fauci-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-concedes-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-may-be-much-closer-to-a-very-bad-flu/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/wow-dr-fauci-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-concedes-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-may-be-much-closer-to-a-very-bad-flu/)
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So it would seem that those infected then do not have immunity?
Actually, we're right now in an ever-shrinking donut hole with no known cases. Most of this area has few or no cases still. The few that do have it brought it from a big city and have been isolated, to apparent success.
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There are persistent suspicions that a particularly nasty chest cold that swept through this area this past winter may have been covid-19.
Could be, but unless the virus mutated, I think the high concentration of deaths in certain locations, would counter that point.
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Homeowner, whose property value shot up overnight....
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Actually, we're right now in an ever-shrinking donut hole with no known cases. Most of this area has few or no cases still. The few that do have it brought it from a big city and have been isolated, to apparent success.
LOL! @jmyrlefuller
So that just means that you're Chapter 13 of this Apocalypse.
IMO, the Left is going to want to do this as Standard Operating Procedure in dealing with 'DECLARED' pandemics. (Or as Minority Speaker calls it..."panderemic. :laugh:
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Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/ (https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/)
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Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/ (https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/)
Very useful info. Epidemiologist need to start correlating almost everything to contraction rate, mortalty rates, and share it the with population. Anything to help as a tool to minimize not only the effects, but the spread of the virus.
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WOW! Dr. Fauci in New England Journal of Medicine Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/wow-dr-fauci-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-concedes-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-may-be-much-closer-to-a-very-bad-flu/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/wow-dr-fauci-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-concedes-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-may-be-much-closer-to-a-very-bad-flu/)
:yowsa:
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The Latest: ACLU questions Rhode Island stopping NY cars
By The Associated Press
The Democratic governor on Thursday called the measure extreme but pointed out New York City is the epicenter of the disease in the U.S.
Steven Brown, executive director of the ACLU of Rhode Island, says while Raimondo has the authority to suspend some state laws and regulations to address a medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution.
He says under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate “simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.â€
More at: https://apnews.com/b37701f21d0f0cbebde83b56b337bd95
Surging Traffic Is Slowing Down Our Internet
March 26, 2020 in Business, News
WASHINGTON — In late January, as China locked down some provinces to contain the spread of the coronavirus, average internet speeds in the country slowed as people who were stuck inside went online more and clogged the networks. In Hubei Province, the epicenter of infections, mobile broadband speeds fell by more than half.
In mid-February, when the virus hit Italy, Germany and Spain, internet speeds in those countries also began to deteriorate.
And last week, as a wave of stay-at-home orders rolled out across the United States, the average time it took to download videos, emails and documents increased as broadband speeds declined 4.9 percent from the previous week, according to Ookla, a broadband speed testing service. Median download speeds dropped 38 percent in San Jose, Calif., and 24 percent in New York, according to Broadband Now, a consumer broadband research site.
Read more at: https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/26/surging-traffic-is-slowing-down-our-internet/
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Chinese Distributed Faulty Coronavirus Test Kits Throughout Europe, Reports Indicate
Washington Free Beacon, Mar 26, 2020
Thousands of rapid test kits purchased from China by European countries have proven to be defective, according to local reports.
In Spain, which currently has the fourth-highest number of coronavirus cases in the world, the government purchased 640,000 rapid test kits from China and South Korea as it fights the pandemic. Experts soon discovered, however, that the tests it purchased from Chinese company Bioeasy were only correctly identifying coronavirus cases 30 percent of the time, according to Spain's El Pais.
The Czech Republic also purchased 150,000 rapid test kits from China, and have likewise found problems. One doctor using the tests found that 80 percent of the kits were faulty and has reverted back to the conventional lab tests, which are significantly slower to process.
The Spanish government confirmed that the tests did not meet its standards and returned them. The Czech Republic is standing by its purchase, arguing that the kits do work and methodological errors are to blame for the high error rate identified by the doctor.
The Chinese government has distanced itself from reports of defective tests. The Chinese embassy in Spain said the regime did not donate the defective test kits, adding that it has not approved Bioeasy to sell its coronavirus test kits.
More: https://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-distributed-faulty-coronavirus-test-kits-throughout-europe-reports-indicate/
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With the flu and the Chinese virus, this could be a very deadly year for the U.S.
How long will coronavirus last in the US?
Life in the United States has been completely upended by the coronavirus pandemic, leaving people trapped in their homes and others without jobs as businesses close.
Globally, more than 530,000 had contracted the virus by late March, including more than 85,000 in the U.S.
So when will it all be over? When will life get back to normal? The short answer is we don’t know. The long answer is more complicated.
Specifically, the pandemic won’t end until enough of the population is immune to the disease (at least 60 percent, experts say) – either by surviving it and becoming immune, which may or may not happen – or through a yet-to-be-made vaccination.
A high number of cases all at once, though, could overwhelm our hospitals and experts say a vaccine likely won’t be ready for more than a year.
In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.
To avoid this bleak scenario, several things must happen. Firstly, Americans shouldn’t expect life to be back to normal by Easter. Those infected with the virus are often contagious while they’re asymptomatic and the incubation period can last up to two weeks. Since many states only instituted stay-at-home orders just over a week ago, cases should be expected to increase over the next couple of weeks and data from any flattening of the curve won't be visible for weeks yet..........
https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us)
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Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/ (https://www.post-journal.com/news/local-news/2020/03/docs-group-asks-for-smoking-vaping-ban/)
Makes sense, really. Nicotine paralyses the cillia which clean the lungs. What goes in is slower to come out, which means more time for the virus to take hold.
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With the flu and the Chinese virus, this could be a very deadly year for the U.S.
How long will coronavirus last in the US?
Life in the United States has been completely upended by the coronavirus pandemic, leaving people trapped in their homes and others without jobs as businesses close.
Globally, more than 530,000 had contracted the virus by late March, including more than 85,000 in the U.S.
So when will it all be over? When will life get back to normal? The short answer is we don’t know. The long answer is more complicated.
Specifically, the pandemic won’t end until enough of the population is immune to the disease (at least 60 percent, experts say) – either by surviving it and becoming immune, which may or may not happen – or through a yet-to-be-made vaccination.
A high number of cases all at once, though, could overwhelm our hospitals and experts say a vaccine likely won’t be ready for more than a year.
In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.
To avoid this bleak scenario, several things must happen. Firstly, Americans shouldn’t expect life to be back to normal by Easter. Those infected with the virus are often contagious while they’re asymptomatic and the incubation period can last up to two weeks. Since many states only instituted stay-at-home orders just over a week ago, cases should be expected to increase over the next couple of weeks and data from any flattening of the curve won't be visible for weeks yet..........
https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us)
As more people survive the virus and recover, the calculus of being out of work and no longer at risk versus being at risk will come into play. When that reaches a critical point, people will demand that they be allowed to return to work, because the depredations of economic hardship will pose a clear and ongoing risk to them and theirs, while the virus will not.
Timing that lifting of restrictions will be important, medically, economically, and politically.
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03-27-2020 | 17:25 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 4.92 ↓ | 4.43 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 1.82 ↑ | 36.77 ↓ |
| China | 22.66 ↑ | 1.091↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Positive movement for the third day in a row. Over 2600 recoveries reported for US/CAN/MEX.
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Note: smokers and vapers are 14 times as likely to contract covid-19 than non-smokers.
Men should be OK as long as they only smoke the cigarettes with this warning label:
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With the flu and the Chinese virus, this could be a very deadly year for the U.S.
How long will coronavirus last in the US?
Life in the United States has been completely upended by the coronavirus pandemic, leaving people trapped in their homes and others without jobs as businesses close.
Globally, more than 530,000 had contracted the virus by late March, including more than 85,000 in the U.S.
So when will it all be over? When will life get back to normal? The short answer is we don’t know. The long answer is more complicated.
Specifically, the pandemic won’t end until enough of the population is immune to the disease (at least 60 percent, experts say) – either by surviving it and becoming immune, which may or may not happen – or through a yet-to-be-made vaccination.
A high number of cases all at once, though, could overwhelm our hospitals and experts say a vaccine likely won’t be ready for more than a year.
In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.
To avoid this bleak scenario, several things must happen. Firstly, Americans shouldn’t expect life to be back to normal by Easter. Those infected with the virus are often contagious while they’re asymptomatic and the incubation period can last up to two weeks. Since many states only instituted stay-at-home orders just over a week ago, cases should be expected to increase over the next couple of weeks and data from any flattening of the curve won't be visible for weeks yet..........
https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us (https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-long-will-coronavirus-last-in-the-us)
A little perspective from the CDC 2019-2020 flu season estimates
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)
38-53 million cases in the US 400,000 to 730,000 hospitalizations 24,000-62,000 deaths-sounds about like a typical year. Our hospitals aren't overwhelmed by flu that I've ever heard.
97-98% of cases in the US and 95% of the cases in the world are mild and do not require hospitalization or ventilator.
The apocalyptic 2.2 million US death figure has been used to create panic. The model is flawed. The denominator of cases will never be known because of all the people who had mild cases, never sought medical care and recovered. Therefore the data on contagion and lethality are specious.
It is amazing to me how willingly easily people surrendered to the madness of stopping life, irreparably destroying small businesses and lives, and obeying orders to huddle in their homes when they are perfectly healthy. Quarantines used to apply only to sick people. Our freedoms have died without a whimper, let alone a bang.
The scientists, whom we must listen to, have an agenda. Why did Fauci tell people to wash their hands and go about their business during the swine flu epidemic in 2009? H1N1 was a novel virus with no vaccine at the time. There were 60 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm)
How does this compare with the Wuhan virus? To date we have 94,425 cases in the US with 1429 deaths and only 2463, or 2.6% of the cases are serious.
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Yet another attention-starved D-list celebrity wants you to know how tough the virus has been.
Conference calls, online classes, and Netflix: Michelle Obama reveals her family's daily quarantine routine as she and Barack hunker down with their daughters amid coronavirus pandemic
Michelle, 56, shared what she has been up to in recent weeks while chatting on the phone with talk show host Ellen DeGeneres
The former first lady said she and her husband, Barack, are with their daughters Malia, 21, and Sasha, 18, who are both home from college amid the global crisis
The Obamas are likely hunkering down in their Washington, D.C. home
Michelle said her daughters are finishing their classes online while she and Barack have been taking conference calls at home
The mom noted the one positive is that the quarantine has forced her family to sit down together and have real conversations
Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?
By Erica Tempesta For Dailymail.com
Published: 18:36 EDT, 26 March 2020 | Updated: 18:44 EDT, 26 March 2020 ...
Story at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8157683/Coronavirus-Michelle-Obama-reveals-familys-daily-quarantine-routine.html)
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Wondering if the virus has mutated??
Coronavirus sickening young adults, children: We are learning 'that everyone is at risk'
When the coronavirus first started to spread from its origins in China earlier this year, the widely preached consensus was that it did not infect – or at least did not gravely harm – children and young adults. However, public health professionals are now raising the alarm that such information provided a dangerously false sense of security and invincibility.
"It is a misconception that children can't get critically ill. Children are getting sick, but they're not getting as severe cases," Dr. John Whyte, Chief Medical Officer at WebMD, told Fox News. "The highest rate of severe cases and deaths remains the elderly. But what we are learning is that everyone is at risk."
A study released this week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) concluded that of the 4,226 coronavirus – officially termed COVID-19 – cases reported in the United States as of March 16, 29 percent were of those in the 20 to 44 age range. And in New York City, now the international epicenter of the pathogen, around half the confirmed infections were of individuals aged between 18 and 44...................
https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus)
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In a worst-case scenario, without serious mitigation efforts, hospital beds in the U.S. could be full by April and 2.2 million Americans could die of the virus – not to mention those who would die of other ailments because they couldn’t get medical care – a study from the Imperial College London concluded, according to The Atlantic.
And the author of that study is running backward faster than any crawfish on earth! @libertybele
The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back The Apocalyptic Predictions
(https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/the-scientist-whose-doomsday-pandemic-model-predicted-armageddon-just-walked-back-the-apocalyptic-predictions/)
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Voluntary quarantine is pretty much a waste of time... It does represent diminished risk at an individual level, when reasonably applied, but that really doesn't mean much in the aggregate, because of teenagers and such. It's a pretty slipshod system with loose protocols.
And, in the long run, not sustainable.
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According to scientific models, we are about six weeks from the peak. (Mid May)
ANY conclusions drawn about the severity or lack of severity of this pandemic are premature.
But I have no doubt that our resident "experts" will continue to tout their extensive medical knowledge nonetheless. *****rollingeyes*****
If you care about keeping your families and communities healthy, continue to STAY HOME, and abide by the MEDICAL facts.
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Wondering if the virus has mutated??
Coronavirus sickening young adults, children: We are learning 'that everyone is at risk'
When the coronavirus first started to spread from its origins in China earlier this year, the widely preached consensus was that it did not infect – or at least did not gravely harm – children and young adults. However, public health professionals are now raising the alarm that such information provided a dangerously false sense of security and invincibility.
"It is a misconception that children can't get critically ill. Children are getting sick, but they're not getting as severe cases," Dr. John Whyte, Chief Medical Officer at WebMD, told Fox News. "The highest rate of severe cases and deaths remains the elderly. But what we are learning is that everyone is at risk."
A study released this week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) concluded that of the 4,226 coronavirus – officially termed COVID-19 – cases reported in the United States as of March 16, 29 percent were of those in the 20 to 44 age range. And in New York City, now the international epicenter of the pathogen, around half the confirmed infections were of individuals aged between 18 and 44...................
https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus)
I think what has mutated is the perception of the virus.
No one said that people under fifty were immune. It just doesn't work that way.
Major risk factors were superficially assigned to an age group, likely because that age group will, statistically, have more people with the identified underlying conditions which contribute to mortality: heart disease, diabetes, pulmonary problems like COPD, and hypertension. So, in a broad way, people over 50 are more likely to suffer mortality as a result of the virus because statistically they are more likely to present with one or more of the complicating underlying medical conditions which contribute to mortality.
The disservice that sort of classification does is that those underlying medical conditions are in no wise confined to older people, and that younger people who have those conditions (and others which may place them at risk) are at risk of mortality as well.
In all the apocalyptic hoo-haw bantered about, the idea of milder cases got shunted off to the side, and the superficial treatment of age left the impression that young people would be somehow immune to the disease.
It simply isn't so.
Thirty of the current 65 confirmed cases in ND are under 50 years of age, the other 35 older. That's a pretty even split for catching the disease. Of those 65, 13 are hospitalized as of this writing, and I have no age breakdown on them. Additionally, 15 are noted to have recovered from the virus, and there is no age breakdown on them, either.
So far, none have died, and I hope it stays that way.
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And, in the long run, not sustainable.
If responsible, conscientious people abide by the rules, then we will continue to mitigate the negative effects of the pandemic and allow hospitals to equip themselves, manufacturers to make PPE's and ventilators, keep hospital staffs healthy, train medical personnel to do other tasks, and save lives.
I continue to see that some folks still don't seem to understand the point of what's going on.
There WILL be treatments. There WILL be a vaccine. Lives WILL be saved. And hospitals will NOT be overrun.
If we do what we need to do in the short run, lives will be saved in the long run.
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Wondering if the virus has mutated??
Coronavirus sickening young adults, children: We are learning 'that everyone is at risk'
When the coronavirus first started to spread from its origins in China earlier this year, the widely preached consensus was that it did not infect – or at least did not gravely harm – children and young adults. However, public health professionals are now raising the alarm that such information provided a dangerously false sense of security and invincibility.
"It is a misconception that children can't get critically ill. Children are getting sick, but they're not getting as severe cases," Dr. John Whyte, Chief Medical Officer at WebMD, told Fox News. "The highest rate of severe cases and deaths remains the elderly. But what we are learning is that everyone is at risk."
A study released this week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) concluded that of the 4,226 coronavirus – officially termed COVID-19 – cases reported in the United States as of March 16, 29 percent were of those in the 20 to 44 age range. And in New York City, now the international epicenter of the pathogen, around half the confirmed infections were of individuals aged between 18 and 44...................
https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/health/why-young-adults-children-falling-ill-coronavirus)
Calm down @libertybele
Coronavirus has 'stable genome,' study suggests, so vaccine could help 'over many years' (https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-has-stable-genome-study-vaccine-could-help-over-many-years)
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If responsible, conscientious people abide by the rules, then we will continue to mitigate the negative effects of the pandemic and allow hospitals to equip themselves, manufacturers to make PPE's and ventilators, keep hospital staffs healthy, train medical personnel to do other tasks, and save lives.
I continue to see that some folks still don't seem to understand the point of what's going on.
There WILL be treatments. There WILL be a vaccine. Lives WILL be saved. And hospitals will NOT be overrun.
If we do what we need to do in the short run, lives will be saved in the long run.
I'm sorry @musiclady but that is just flat out wrong! I have not seen anyone here say that this is not serious or that we don't need to take every sensible precaution. What I and some other here HAVE indeed said is that shutting down the entire economy over it is NOT reasonable.
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And, in the long run, not sustainable.
That is technically exactly right.
Quarantine requires control over an air gap. ZERO possible vectors. Nothing in. Nothing penetrating the perimeter, except through a highly controlled gate.
The longer the quarantine, the more resupply. The more exposure, the more vectors.
The protocols currently in place are not stringent in any fashion, and thereby, not effective.
Again, in the aggregate: useless.
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That is technically exactly right.
Quarantine requires control over an air gap. ZERO possible vectors. Nothing in. Nothing penetrating the perimeter, except through a highly controlled gate.
The longer the quarantine, the more resupply. The more exposure, the more vectors.
The protocols currently in place are not stringent in any fashion, and thereby, not effective.
Again, in the aggregate: useless.
On top of that, people won't stand for it, for long.
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I'm sorry @musiclady but that is just flat out wrong! I have not seen anyone here say that this is not serious or that we don't need to take every sensible precaution. What I and some other here HAVE indeed said is that shutting down the entire economy over it is NOT reasonable.
I'm not saying you aren't taking it seriously.
I'm saying you don't UNDERSTAND what is going on.
And that is all I'm going to say.
You will be on Ignore for the next few weeks to keep me from responding to your posts again.
Keeping the peace, and all that.
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If responsible, conscientious people abide by the rules, then we will continue to mitigate the negative effects of the pandemic and allow hospitals to equip themselves, manufacturers to make PPE's and ventilators, keep hospital staffs healthy, train medical personnel to do other tasks, and save lives.
I continue to see that some folks still don't seem to understand the point of what's going on.
There WILL be treatments. There WILL be a vaccine. Lives WILL be saved. And hospitals will NOT be overrun.
If we do what we need to do in the short run, lives will be saved in the long run.
:amen:
I figure it's not only wise, but my patriotic duty to my fellow Americans to follow my President's 15 day guideline, and my Governor, and the experts, and the unanimous Congress, and the news media, who all urge me to have patience and not promote the spread. So until the rising daily fatalities of Americans starts tapering off I will do it.
But I recognize that every #Masshole has a Constitutional right to their own opinion
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On top of that, people won't stand for it, for long.
That's why responsible state leaders are working diligently to keep the economy alive so that when this is waning, things can be brought back online and the full economic recovery will occur.
NO one thinks this is sustainable, that's why these measures won't be sustained past the point where they are absolutely necessary.
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I'm not saying you aren't taking it seriously.
I'm saying you don't UNDERSTAND what is going on.
And that is all I'm going to say.
You will be on Ignore for the next few weeks to keep me from responding to your posts again.
Keeping the peace, and all that.
That's fine but understand this! Setting your hair of fire and running around in a panicked circle solves
NOTHING!
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:amen:
I figure it's not only wise, but my patriotic duty to my fellow Americans to follow my President's 15 day guideline, and my Governor, and the experts, and the unanimous Congress, and the news media, who all urge me to have patience and not promote the spread. So until the rising daily fatalities of Americans starts tapering off I will do it.
But I recognize that every #Masshole has a Constitutional right to their own opinion
As will every responsible citizen.
Fortunately people who actually DO know what's going on and are basing their opinions on facts are presently making the decisions necessary to preserve lives and ultimately our economy.
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If responsible, conscientious people abide by the rules, then we will continue to mitigate the negative effects of the pandemic and allow hospitals to equip themselves, manufacturers to make PPE's and ventilators, keep hospital staffs healthy, train medical personnel to do other tasks, and save lives.
I continue to see that some folks still don't seem to understand the point of what's going on.
There WILL be treatments. There WILL be a vaccine. Lives WILL be saved. And hospitals will NOT be overrun.
If we do what we need to do in the short run, lives will be saved in the long run.
Months is not a "short run." It is upending the entire economy, isolating people and causing mass psychological trauma.
Even the measures used in the flu pandemic of 1918 only lasted a few weeks. It's not as simple as "stay home." People need contact with each other. They need to socialize, in person. And when they are barred from doing that, they need concrete answers on when they'll be able to do it again.
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:amen:
I figure it's not only wise, but my patriotic duty to my fellow Americans to follow my President's 15 day guideline, and my Governor, and the experts, and the unanimous Congress, and the news media, who all urge me to have patience and not promote the spread. So until the rising daily fatalities of Americans starts tapering off I will do it.
But I recognize that every #Masshole has a Constitutional right to their own opinion
I'm doing what I can in that department, but it's wearing on me. I'm thankful to have a family support network but I'm missing a lot of things that we've lost quite dearly, and without any real answers as to when they'll be back, it only makes it worse.
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Months is not a "short run." It is upending the entire economy, isolating people and causing mass psychological trauma.
Even the measures used in the flu pandemic of 1918 only lasted a few weeks. It's not as simple as "stay home." People need contact with each other. They need to socialize, in person. And when they are barred from doing that, they need concrete answers on when they'll be able to do it again.
How many people, going into this, were prepared for even a couple of months of being out of work and having limited resupply?
Empty store shelves all over still say, "Not many."
Start talking 6 months, and most people will be out of money, supplies, and likely have defaulted on any loans they have, including mortgages. It'll make The Grapes of Wrath look like a homecoming parade.
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The Spanish flu came in three waves covering nearly a year:
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On top of that, people won't stand for it, for long.
No, people CAN'T stand it for long. Sixty days out, at this scale won't simply be making do - It will be crash and burn for most small business, and almost all households.
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How many people, going into this, were prepared for even a couple of months of being out of work and having limited resupply?
Empty store shelves all over still say, "Not many."
Start talking 6 months, and most people will be out of money, supplies, and likely have defaulted on any loans they have, including mortgages. It'll make The Grapes of Wrath look like a homecoming parade.
More like TWO months. Even one month off will put most behind the eight-ball.
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I'm sorry @musiclady but that is just flat out wrong! I have not seen anyone here say that this is not serious or that we don't need to take every sensible precaution. What I and some other here HAVE indeed said is that shutting down the entire economy over it is NOT reasonable.
I agree with you on this, Bigun.
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That's why responsible state leaders are working diligently to keep the economy alive . . .
By cutting off commerce? Government can't "keep the economy alive". Government can only impede it.
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That's fine but understand this! Setting your hair of fire and running around in a panicked circle solves
NOTHING!
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/2/1230906789460/noise-fingers-in-ears-001.jpg)
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I'm sorry @musiclady but that is just flat out wrong! I have not seen anyone here say that this is not serious or that we don't need to take every sensible precaution. What I and some other here HAVE indeed said is that shutting down the entire economy over it is NOT reasonable.
#TRUEDAT
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If responsible, conscientious people abide by the rules, then we will continue to mitigate the negative effects of the pandemic and allow hospitals to equip themselves, manufacturers to make PPE's and ventilators, keep hospital staffs healthy, train medical personnel to do other tasks, and save lives.
I continue to see that some folks still don't seem to understand the point of what's going on.
There WILL be treatments. There WILL be a vaccine. Lives WILL be saved. And hospitals will NOT be overrun.
If we do what we need to do in the short run, lives will be saved in the long run.
:thumbsup:
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I'm doing what I can in that department, but it's wearing on me. I'm thankful to have a family support network but I'm missing a lot of things that we've lost quite dearly, and without any real answers as to when they'll be back, it only makes it worse.
Thank you for your response.
President Trump hasn't golfed in 3 weeks. We all know how you feel, and we all pray we will be sleeping better soon. The President has said on many occasions and in many ways that we want to solve this with "the fewest lives lost," because "we have the best people" and we will need them when this crisis is over and we want to recover the fastest. Unfortunately, mean ol' Dr Fauci says "the virus will decide the timeline." I know our President wants a healthy and wealthy country to be his legacy. I don't know if he is fit for the task, but we can't change quarterbacks today, and the good news is, as our President has reminded us in every press conference he recognizes "We have the best people." As often as I complain about his speeches, conferences, and tweets I actually think President Trump has displayed more leadership in the last 2 weeks than his first 3 years. He has had good days and great days since he declared a National Emergency. His message has been remarkably consistent "follow my guideline for 15 days." In a few days we will have an updated guideline and it will most assuredly address medical, and fiscal issues.
The reason why they can't provide real answers is because we don't have them yet. Hopefully we will have some soon.
Stay healthy @jmyrlefuller
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That's why responsible state leaders are working diligently to keep the economy alive so that when this is waning, things can be brought back online and the full economic recovery will occur.
NO one thinks this is sustainable, that's why these measures won't be sustained past the point where they are absolutely necessary.
:thumbsup:
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More like TWO months. Even one month off will put most behind the eight-ball.
I could do 3, 4 months easy. But I'd have to stock up on dog food. I only keep a week or two of dog food.
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On a lighter note -- I just saw a kid on a minibike pulling another kid on a skateboard. It looked hilarious. Kids are board. Parks are closed. Schools are closed.
On a more serious note -- I just received a public safety alert from my county to stay home this weekend to avoid the spread of Covid-19. Well, folks, we've been home for the most part for the past 2 weeks. We have 76 cases and 4 deaths. Not good.
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I could do 3, 4 months easy. But I'd have to stock up on dog food. I only keep a week or two of dog food.
I could do better than that. Good on ya... But that is little solace for MOST.
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Well, remember, it seems possible though not certain, that it could end with the end of flu season... and yes, it could come back next year. We are in uncharted territory but at least, there is that possibilty.
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True, so it will be up to folks like us to take care of those unprepared people we care about. So cut my 3/4 months in half. But I live right on the water and I how to fish. No rent, no mortgage, bills are all paid and money (not a lot) in the bank. I can help a few.
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On the lighter side...this was posted to the internet...
Ben. 3-16-20
homed school
"It's not going good. my mom is getting stressed out.
my mom is really confused. we took a break so my mom
can figure this stuff out and I'm telling you it is not going good." :rolling: :rolling:
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True, so it will be up to folks like us to take care of those unprepared people we care about. So cut my 3/4 months in half. But I live right on the water and I how to fish. No rent, no mortgage, bills are all paid and money (not a lot) in the bank. I can help a few.
I'm with ya. No mortgage, bills are all paid and money in the bank. I live on the water, but don't like fish. I have a supply of dehydrated food and paper goods to last for awhile. We are helping out someone who lost their job, lived paycheck to paycheck and waiting on unemployment.
I just don't know how folks are living that are in the same boat, with families to feed ... what are they going to do? Unemployment is going to take awhile as its backlogged -- stimulus not for 3 weeks.
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I'm with ya. No mortgage, bills are all paid and money in the bank. I live on the water, but don't like fish. I have a supply of dehydrated food and paper goods to last for awhile.
I don't like to fish either, but if I get real hungry ............. I'll send one of the women to fish. LOL.
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True, so it will be up to folks like us to take care of those unprepared people we care about. So cut my 3/4 months in half. But I live right on the water and I how to fish. No rent, no mortgage, bills are all paid and money (not a lot) in the bank. I can help a few.
That's enough to help you and yours... And that is my ultimate response too. We are country folks and will get by just fine...
But it ain't no where near enough. The cities start tipping over, people will be eating each other. And that is only half-heartedly hyperbolic.
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April 8 - April 16 - this thing gets turned around.
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I don't like to fish either, but if I get real hungry ............. I'll send one of the women to fish. LOL.
Fishing relaxes me. It's like yoga, but I still get to kill something.
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That's enough to help you and yours... And that is my ultimate response too. We are country folks and will get by just fine...
But it ain't no where near enough. The cities start tipping over, people will be eating each other. And that is only half-heartedly hyperbolic.
That's what I'm afraid of as well. I'm not in the country, but we've been prepared for years...I learned from experiencing our first hurricane season. I've been preparing and have stocked up on goods ever since. We never quite expected a pandemic - but we are as prepared as can be. (We even have colloidal silver, sambucus and potassium iodide tablets -- but unfortunately, I've let them get dated. Shame on me.)
Nothing to say that those who lost their jobs are going to have a job to go back to. Unemployment is back logged, regardless of what is being said -- the program may be expanded but definitely not expedited and offices are closed for a couple of weeks.
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That's what I'm afraid of as well. I'm not in the country, but we've been prepared for years...I learned from experiencing our first hurricane season. I've been preparing and have stocked up on goods ever since. We never quite expected a pandemic - but we are as prepared as can be. (We even have colloidal silver, sambucus and potassium iodide tablets -- but unfortunately, I've let them get dated. Shame on me.)
Me too - Not as technically... Water, for instance... I have a clearwater creek right in the back yard, with its head, an artesian spring, less than a block away. But even without that, my go=bag is geared to boil water, and not rely on chemical cures. Every container in my kit is stainless steel, precisely so I can put it in the fire... And push come to shove, I know how to make a still, and can rig that up almost as easy, so water is always covered, and not dependent on anything that will expire.
Likewise colloidal silver. I can make my own.
Nothing to say that those who lost their jobs are going to have a job to go back to. Unemployment is back logged, regardless of what is being said -- the program may be expanded but definitely not expedited and offices are closed for a couple of weeks.
I can say this: Were I to have to park my old businesses, any one of them, for a month, there would be no jobs to come back to.
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Me too - Not as technically... Water, for instance... I have a clearwater creek right in the back yard, with its head, an artesian spring, less than a block away. But even without that, my go=bag is geared to boil water, and not rely on chemical cures. Every container in my kit is stainless steel, precisely so I can put it in the fire... And push come to shove, I know how to make a still, and can rig that up almost as easy, so water is always covered, and not dependent on anything that will expire.
Likewise colloidal silver. I can make my own.
I can say this: Were I to have to park my old businesses, any one of them, for a month, there would be no jobs to come back to.
Clearwater creek and an artesian spring --- it doesn't get any better. You are fortunate.
Did you see my earlier post about a 106 year old "Dad" that survived the Spanish flu??? -- He claims "whiskey" saved him.
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Clearwater creek and an artesian spring --- it doesn't get any better. You are fortunate.
That is somewhat by design - I have never owned a property without good water on it... But also, most creeks are good clear water around here... Caution drinking out of lakes, or where beaver ponds are present, thus the inbuilt need to boil if necessary... But by and large, because I live in the Rockies, potable water right from the land is a rare problem. I carry about 1/2 gallon in my kit, because good water is seldom more than a half-day walk away.
Did you see my earlier post about a 106 year old "Dad" that survived the Spanish flu??? -- He claims "whiskey" saved him.
Dunno about the whiskey - But I doubt I will get it, and if I do, it won't get me bad.
Fire cider and way more vinegar in my diet makes my body chemistry way less inviting to bugs.
Add to that, treatment with thieves oil and oregano oil are extremely effective anti-virals...
Add to that, jackin Cs somewhere around 6-8k IU a day is yet another very effective anti-viral.
And due to my arthritic problems, strangely enough, my white blood cells are junkyard dogs. :laugh:
So I ain't worried about it.
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April 8 - April 16 - this thing gets turned around.
Just in time, I pray, for an angry God to Passover our home....
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Clearwater creek and an artesian spring --- it doesn't get any better. You are fortunate.
Did you see my earlier post about a 106 year old "Dad" that survived the Spanish flu??? -- He claims "whiskey" saved him.
Why isn't that that man on President Trump's China-virus task force? I am ready to report for duty for a clinical study. I'm all in, if it means keeping the America that all America loves for their children or grandchildren, and that doesn't make me brave or noble.
:flag:
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Just in time, I pray, for an angry God to Passover our home....
Too late... The barley is aviv and passover is the day before the next full moon - Predictably the evening of the 6th... But there will be blood on my doorposts. :beer:
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That is somewhat by design - I have never owned a property without good water on it... But also, most creeks are good clear water around here... Caution drinking out of lakes, or where beaver ponds are present, thus the inbuilt need to boil if necessary... But by and large, because I live in the Rockies, potable water right from the land is a rare problem. I carry about 1/2 gallon in my kit, because good water is seldom more than a half-day walk away.
Dunno about the whiskey - But I doubt I will get it, and if I do, it won't get me bad.
Fire cider and way more vinegar in my diet makes my body chemistry way less inviting to bugs.
Add to that, treatment with thieves oil and oregano oil are extremely effective anti-virals...
Add to that, jackin Cs somewhere around 6-8k IU a day is yet another very effective anti-viral.
And due to my arthritic problems, strangely enough, my white blood cells are junkyard dogs. :laugh:
So I ain't worried about it.
happy77
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Hoodat wrote:
"April 8 - April 16 - this thing gets turned around."
Too soon.
Make it May 15-30, that's more like it.
Once new infections peak, then plateau, then start downward.
That's a good ways off, yet.
Restore the population to "normal circulation" before enough time has passed, and it could "restart the infection rate", as well.
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Hoodat wrote:
"April 8 - April 16 - this thing gets turned around."
Too soon.
Make it May 15-30, that's more like it.
Once new infections peak, then plateau, then start downward.
That's a good ways off, yet.
Restore the population to "normal circulation" before enough time has passed, and it could "restart the infection rate", as well.
That's what the models from the Cleveland Clinic are saying.
The peak is mid-May. Some things may get back to 'normal' (or more likely what will be a new normal) by Easter, but things won't settle out until we're on the other side of the curve.
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Peaks will differ with locales I would think. I believe I heard today, NY's peak will be in 2 weeks but surely, that won't be true for all.
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All I can say is if you have to kill do it with kindness. Fishing is a bit different, I suppose. But you don't grab chicken by the legs and take it screaming over to the chopping block and lop off it's head. You toss down a bit of feed, and when it is too interested in that to mind you, you reach down with and expert grip on it's neck, give it a wrenching spin that rips off it's head and then throw it away from the others so it can run around like a chicken with it's head cut off and reach down for another.
I was taught to kill with kindness. Several experts taught me how. I would never intentionally cause pain and suffering to any animal. But I sure as hell will kill it for food.
Like knowing how to grow a garden. Or prune a fruit tree.
A lesson in will and intent.
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And one other.
There isn't any...ANY...religious..."holiday" in this effing world that means anything.
Have G-D in your heart mind and soul every day. Every day.
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And one other.
There isn't any...ANY...religious..."holiday" in this effing world that means anything.
Have G-D in your heart mind and soul every day. Every day.
That ain't what YHWH says... so who to believe... :pondering:
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That ain't what YHWH says... so who to believe... :pondering:
You can't do it so you follow the words written by men.
Yeah, HE did. In the First set.
I ain't saying I am better. I am saying I know the difference. And I will pay that Price.
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You can't do it so you follow the words written by men.
Nah. in fact I do what I do because I do not believe the words written by men.
I do what Yah says to do in spite of what men say.
Yeah, HE did. In the First set.
...According to men. Get that idea out of your head and you will find nothing in the NT thatoverrides the OT. Because it CAN'T. It cannot be changed, not one jot or tittle, or the one who changed it is by definition, a false prophet. Can't get around that, no matter what.
I ain't saying I am better. I am saying I know the difference.
Maybe, maybe not. I don't have to know the difference. All I have to do is as he said.
Those that listen to men find that impossible to do... I know, I was one.
And I will pay that Price.
Yep. Work it out with fear and trembling...
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The three little pigs, @roamer_1
Not trying to make this a religious debate. Some kind of he/she/it said.
Maybe I should blame it on being tired. Maybe I should blame everyone who didn't give me the neutron bombs when I asked.
I was gonna ask @corbe to do a poll. I isn't much of an economics major. But why didn't the Congress ask for $4 trillion and hand that bill to the Chinese Communist Party?
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A small nugget of good news: Tom Hanks has recovered.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-make-a-joyful-return-to-los-angeles-after-coronavirus-diagnoses/ar-BB11OuUS?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-make-a-joyful-return-to-los-angeles-after-coronavirus-diagnoses/ar-BB11OuUS?ocid=spartandhp)
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A small nugget of good news: Tom Hanks has recovered.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-make-a-joyful-return-to-los-angeles-after-coronavirus-diagnoses/ar-BB11OuUS?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-make-a-joyful-return-to-los-angeles-after-coronavirus-diagnoses/ar-BB11OuUS?ocid=spartandhp)
That’s good.
I knew that Rita Wilson had recovered but since he is a diabetic his risk factor was greater.
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(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91297002_3102521966477169_6843118736417751040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=fhs2dUzsTycAX9YeG2b&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=6648edf2ecadb0fd1c2374c8a7377062&oe=5EA3DE87)
TBR is filled with Type 1 people.
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A small nugget of good news: Tom Hanks has recovered.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-make-a-joyful-return-to-los-angeles-after-coronavirus-diagnoses/ar-BB11OuUS?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-make-a-joyful-return-to-los-angeles-after-coronavirus-diagnoses/ar-BB11OuUS?ocid=spartandhp)
With all the doom and gloom that we are constantly being bombarded with, it is refreshing to hear a report that people like Hanks exist - people who contract the virus yet don't require ventilators and who don't end up as a 'dead' statistic during prime time news.
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With all the doom and gloom that we are constantly being bombarded with, it is refreshing to hear a report that people like Hanks exist - people who contract the virus yet don't require ventilators and who don't end up as a 'dead' statistic during prime time news.
It is good news...which is why it will appear on page A22 of the NYT.
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Even better news of recovery:
101-year-old Italian man, born amid Spanish flu pandemic, survives coronavirus illness, official says
Ryan W. Miller
USA TODAY
March 27, 2020
A 101-year-old Italian man has reportedly survived his battle with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading around the globe.
An official from the city of Rimini on the northeast coast of Italy says the man, identified publicly as only Mr. P., was released from the hospital earlier this week. ...
Rest of story (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/03/27/italy-101-year-old-born-during-spanish-flu-survives-coronavirus/2926073001/)
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Video reveals lung damage in US coronavirus patient: 'People need to take this seriously'
By Brian Fung and Jen Christensen, CNN
Updated 3:47 AM EDT, Fri March 27, 2020
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/26/health/covid-19-lung-damage-video/index.html
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US biotech firm says its pneumonia treatment could help save the lives of coronavirus patients by 'cleaning up' killer lung inflammation
Scientists at BioAegis in New Jersey are developing a drug version of the protein gelsolin
It exists in the human body and helps combat life-threatening inflammation like that seen in patients with pneumonia from coronavirus
Their small trial in mild pneumonia patients found that it helped them recover better and faster than those given standard treatments
Since coronavirus turns deadly from pneumonia inflammation, the company wants to start testing the drug Americans with COVID-19
Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?
By Natalie Rahhal Acting Us Health Editor
Published: 14:53 EDT, 27 March 2020 | Updated: 09:55 EDT, 28 March 2020
A New Jersey biotech firm believes its drug could help save the lives of the sickest coronavirus patients.
BioAegis Therapeutics has been testing a protein called gelsolin to treat pneumonia. Gelsolin exists naturally in the human body and helps to combat inflammation like that seen in critically ill and dying coronavirus patients.
In early stages, their IV treatment has helped pneumonia patients recover, and scientists at the small firm think that deteriorating COVID-19 patients could benefit from the drug with relatively little risk. ...
Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8160617/US-biotech-firm-wants-test-pneumonia-treatment-COVID-19-patients.html)
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Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8160617/US-biotech-firm-wants-test-pneumonia-treatment-COVID-19-patients.html)
I hope Donald Trump doesn't mention it, or DemoRat Governors will put in place rules to prevent Doctors in their state from using it.
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03-28-2020 | 18:14 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 4.66 ↓ | 4.63 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 1.79 ↓ | 34.12 ↓ |
| China | 22.75 ↑ | 1.086↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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I'm doing what I can in that department, but it's wearing on me. I'm thankful to have a family support network but I'm missing a lot of things that we've lost quite dearly, and without any real answers as to when they'll be back, it only makes it worse.
Get a Netflix account or Hulu....I've been binge watching Blue Bloods....lol. Plus preparing the garden for spring...repairing the fence....manicuring the lawn. Beats sitting around worrying about things I have no control over.
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How many people, going into this, were prepared for even a couple of months of being out of work and having limited resupply?
Empty store shelves all over still say, "Not many."
Start talking 6 months, and most people will be out of money, supplies, and likely have defaulted on any loans they have, including mortgages. It'll make The Grapes of Wrath look like a homecoming parade.
Not to mention people will be desperate and the looting will begin.
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Thank you for your response.
President Trump hasn't golfed in 3 weeks. We all know how you feel, and we all pray we will be sleeping better soon. The President has said on many occasions and in many ways that we want to solve this with "the fewest lives lost," because "we have the best people" and we will need them when this crisis is over and we want to recover the fastest. Unfortunately, mean ol' Dr Fauci says "the virus will decide the timeline." I know our President wants a healthy and wealthy country to be his legacy. I don't know if he is fit for the task, but we can't change quarterbacks today, and the good news is, as our President has reminded us in every press conference he recognizes "We have the best people." As often as I complain about his speeches, conferences, and tweets I actually think President Trump has displayed more leadership in the last 2 weeks than his first 3 years. He has had good days and great days since he declared a National Emergency. His message has been remarkably consistent "follow my guideline for 15 days." In a few days we will have an updated guideline and it will most assuredly address medical, and fiscal issues.
The reason why they can't provide real answers is because we don't have them yet. Hopefully we will have some soon.
Stay healthy @jmyrlefuller
That was almost a coherent response....call me shocked. happy77
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Hoodat, you keep posting a bunch of numbers as in reply 185 above.
I'm a dumb guy. I'll admit it up front.
Could you please explain how those numbers for US/Can/Mex should be read and interpreted?
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That was almost a coherent response....call me shocked. happy77
Sorry about that, I was so drunk I forgot to include the sarcasm tag. Oopsie.
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Nobody in Antartica has covid. They are too iceolated.
I want this virus to wipe out the disease.
But it won't.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlPToAsLm7o#)
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Hoodat, you keep posting a bunch of numbers as in reply 185 above.
I'm a dumb guy. I'll admit it up front.
Could you please explain how those numbers for US/Can/Mex should be read and interpreted?
There are two ratios I have been tracking
- Number of recoveries to the number of deaths
- Number of cases to the number of recoveries
The first ratio should increase over a period of time until and the second ratio should decrease. The first ratio will eventually level out as we reach the true death rate for those afflicted, wile the second ratio will approach 1.
Green arrows indicate movement from the previous day in a positive direction, while red arrows indicate movement in the negative direction.
China's numbers (whether valid or not) at least give us a target to shoot for. Their Recovery-to-death ratio is 74,971 recoveries to 3,295 deaths, or 22.75 to 1. This translates to a casualty rate of 4.21 % for China. I think we can do much better. Their case to recovery ratio is 1.09 which means that almost all of their cases have run their course resulting in either a death or recovery.
I combined US/Canada/Mexico numbers together since we are in the same geographical location. The three combined have had 3,582 recoveries and 2,004 deaths for 122,208 cases with over 166,000 cases unresolved.
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President Trump said Saturday he’s considering an enforced quarantine for the New York City area that would also include New Jersey and Connecticut.
“We’d like to see New York quarantined because it’s a hotspot — New York, New Jersey, maybe one or two other places, certain parts of Connecticut quarantined,†Trump said as he departed the White House for a trip to Norfolk, Va., to see off a Navy hospital ship heading to the Big Apple.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/trump-says-he-considering-forced-quarantine-new-york-area#.Xn-C8EQB7og.twitter
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Too little too late .... if you do set such a factor in place... watch the scatter of infected in the region just before the imposed quarantine.
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Well, one guy has apparently exposed much of my town to this virus this past week by visiting half the stores in town. Just what we needed.
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Well, one guy has apparently exposed much of my town to this virus this past week by visiting half the stores in town. Just what we needed.
Hopefully not yours, @jmyrlefuller.
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Well, one guy has apparently exposed much of my town to this virus this past week by visiting half the stores in town. Just what we needed.
There's always at least one idiot in the crowd.
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Well, one guy has apparently exposed much of my town to this virus this past week by visiting half the stores in town. Just what we needed.
Demonstrating for everyone just how useless this quasi-quarantine really is...
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Demonstrating for everyone just how useless this quasi-quarantine really is...
It's a bullshit quarantine, which is bound to be the case when they quarantine healthy people, leaving the sick to spread their disease around. It's tyranny, and it's best answered by non-compliance as time wears on. That's why I say we'll do it, but only for a limited time.
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It's a bullshit quarantine, which is bound to be the case when they quarantine healthy people, leaving the sick to spread their disease around. It's tyranny, and it's best answered by non-compliance as time wears on. That's why I say we'll do it, but only for a limited time.
Yes, it IS tyranny, and tyranny is always best answered right now. Even so - I will not comply, and will point and laugh at those who do. Suckers.
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Yes, it IS tyranny, and tyranny is always best answered right now. Even so - I will not comply, and will point and laugh at those who do. Suckers.
For thee and for me, "self-isolating" comes easily enough for us to laugh at the amateurs. :whistle:
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It's a bullshit quarantine, which is bound to be the case when they quarantine healthy people, leaving the sick to spread their disease around. It's tyranny, and it's best answered by non-compliance as time wears on. That's why I say we'll do it, but only for a limited time.
The problem with your theory is that there is no way to know on the surface who is healthy and who is not.
At the risk of being repetitive (which I am, quite deliberately) this is not like anything we’ve ever seen before. One cannot make comparisons with anything in the past other than 1918, and even that was the flu.
This is not.
In addition, the point of staying home is to lengthen the prep time for hospitals and keep our medical first responders safer.
The more people who abide by the safety standards, the slower the spread of this disease will be.
It’s not really rocket science.
It’s just science.
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Well, one guy has apparently exposed much of my town to this virus this past week by visiting half the stores in town. Just what we needed.
Actually, that sounds like the way it often happens.
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The problem with your theory is that there is no way to know on the surface who is healthy and who is not.
At the risk of being repetitive (which I am, quite deliberately) this is not like anything we’ve ever seen before. One cannot make comparisons with anything in the past other than 1918, and even that was the flu.
This is not.
In addition, the point of staying home is to lengthen the prep time for hospitals and keep our medical first responders safer.
The more people who abide by the safety standards, the slower the spread of this disease will be.
It’s not really rocket science.
It’s just science.
Which is why I say we'll put up with it, for awhile. After a period of time, measured in weeks (not many months), the people will start to balk at it and refuse to comply. That had better be enough time purchased.
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At the risk of being repetitive (which I am, quite deliberately) this is not like anything we’ve ever seen before.
That is not true.
One cannot make comparisons with anything in the past other than 1918, and even that was the flu.
That is not true either...
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For thee and for me, "self-isolating" comes easily enough for us to laugh at the amateurs. :whistle:
@Cyber Liberty
Agree. I am now able to work from home. Now that my HS boys sports seasons have been cancelled, the only place I’d go is my cabin in the sticks...which I will do anyhow when I want to.
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For thee and for me, "self-isolating" comes easily enough for us to laugh at the amateurs. :whistle:
Well, sorta. Still going to the feed store and the parts houses. Folks got something busted, they need it fixed, even when they're whining and crying and hiding under their beds, and order their dang food delivered...
It's so much bullshit, I don't even know where to start.
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Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8160617/US-biotech-firm-wants-test-pneumonia-treatment-COVID-19-patients.html)
Good information.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5fSJ2Jz8o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5fSJ2Jz8o#)
Good 2 minutes of your time, IMHO.
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Dr. Zelenko has been in the news a lot, I'm sure he's been mentioned some...
Man who almost died from coronavirus tells Fox News how drug backed by Trump saved his life
Rio Giardinieri felt like he was close to death but recovered after taking hydroxychloroquine.
Wed Mar 25, 2020 - 6:35 pm EST
March 25, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — A 52-year-old man who thought he was going to die as a result of the coronavirus told Laura Ingraham of Fox News that he believes the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine saved his life.
Rio Giardinieri says he had been suffering with a fever for nine days, that his breathing became worse, speaking became difficult, and that he expected to die as a result of the coronavirus.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSb-McNpcks#)
But Gardinieri decided to request hydroxychloroquine from medics after a friend of his from a prayer line told him about the drug. That friend had seen the drug covered recently on Ingraham’s show.
Read more at: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/man-who-almost-died-from-coronavirus-tells-fox-news-how-drug-backed-by-trump-saved-his-life (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/man-who-almost-died-from-coronavirus-tells-fox-news-how-drug-backed-by-trump-saved-his-life)
Backed by Trump, Dr. Zelenko Responds to Critics Of His Virus Cure
March 25, 2020
COLlive Exclusive: Dr. Zev Zelenko, MD, whose claims of finding a successful treatment for coronavirus has met with controversy, responds to his critics.
Dr. Zev Zelenko, MD, a prominent doctor who has treated hundreds of Kiryas Joel patients for COVID-19, recently made a video addressed to President Trump.
In the video, Dr. Zelenko claims to have a groundbreaking solution on how to curb the virus, reporting that of the hundreds of cases he has treated, as of now none of them have needed hospitalization.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy-wObyQOCk#)
Read more at: https://collive.com/backed-by-trump-dr-zelenko-responds-to-critics-of-his-virus-cure/ (https://collive.com/backed-by-trump-dr-zelenko-responds-to-critics-of-his-virus-cure/)
Media-Ite: Hannity discussion https://www.mediaite.com/news/hannity-touts-unverified-coronavirus-treatment-from-ny-family-doctor-who-posted-unsubstantiated-and-irresponsible-facebook-video-about-outbreak/ (https://www.mediaite.com/news/hannity-touts-unverified-coronavirus-treatment-from-ny-family-doctor-who-posted-unsubstantiated-and-irresponsible-facebook-video-about-outbreak/)
Hasidic doctor steps up campaign for controversial drug, as states clamp down on prescriptions
Ari FeldmanMarch 27, 2020
Emboldened by overtures from the White House, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, the Hasidic doctor pushing an unproven treatment for coronavirus, on Friday stepped up his campaign to build support for the controversial regimen, with a YouTube video and an email blast to conservative media and political figures touting his results.
“CONCLUSION — TREAT AS EARLY AND AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE IN THE OUTPATIENT SETTING,†Zelenko wrote in the email, which he said he had sent to Mark Meadows, President Donald Trump’s Chief of Staff; Rudy Giuliani, the president’s special counsel; Aaron Klein, a former campaign adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and a contributor to the right-wing website Breitbart News; and other conservative media figures and doctors.
He had a similar message in the YouTube video, which had been viewed more than 400 times as of Friday afternoon, as well as shared on Twitter.
More: https://forward.com/news/national/442598/coronavirus-treatment-plaquenil/ (https://forward.com/news/national/442598/coronavirus-treatment-plaquenil/)
Drudge ran a WND article on this, I've got it saveed somewhere... but this is the guy some have touted.
Rudy Giuliani Common Sense podcast, talks to Doctor Vladimir Zelenko:
EXCELLENT NEWS: Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Effective on 699 Patients
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5fSJ2Jz8o# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5fSJ2Jz8o#)
Good 2 minutes of your time, IMHO.
JMO but it looked like 2 minutes of class warfare claiming we always had the power to quarantine our economy to keep the undesirables out. He weaponizes a virus that the rich have a much better chance of surviving than the poor, as the excuse for the Elite led shutdown of our society, when in fact it was implemented by responsible leaders like my President in order to save lives. I think much less of Molyneux than I did 2 minutes ago.
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Dr. Fauci, a man who had no input into the 3rd China-virus bill, was at the signing ceremony yesterday, but House Speaker Pelosi wasn't. Dr Fauci even spoke : "Thank you Mr. President. I want to thank everyone involved in this. This is what America is all about. A bi-partisan approach with your leadership to do something sorely needed by the American people."
ouch.
I think it is fascinating that my President, and still your President, Donald J Trump wants exclusive GOP credit for this $2T law.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcS3KoZD-n4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcS3KoZD-n4#)
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Dr. Fauci, a man who had no input into the 3rd China-virus bill, was at the signing ceremony yesterday, but House Speaker Pelosi wasn't. Dr Fauci even spoke : "Thank you Mr. President. I want to thank everyone involved in this. This is what America is all about. A bi-partisan approach with your leadership to do something sorely needed by the American people."
ouch.
I think it is fascinating that my President, and still your President, Donald J Trump wants exclusive GOP credit for this $2T law.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcS3KoZD-n4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcS3KoZD-n4#)
Swell.
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Molyneux was on the Covid-19 problem very early predicting the potential economic impacts.
He has a Youtube channell. "Free Domain"
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Which is why I say we'll put up with it, for awhile. After a period of time, measured in weeks (not many months), the people will start to balk at it and refuse to comply.
And parents will demand that the schools be reopened just to get their kids out of the house.
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If I read this right, it looks like Virginia may have peaked... only 2 new cases yesterday
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/ (http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/)
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https://www.aier.org/article/we-were-wrong-so-sorry-that-we-ruined-your-life/?fbclid=IwAR0mjhfLdWbHaGRKrM_sN0K430C3_KRzisKP4FZeRzQf3k7_E_DHrM0ujHg (https://www.aier.org/article/we-were-wrong-so-sorry-that-we-ruined-your-life/?fbclid=IwAR0mjhfLdWbHaGRKrM_sN0K430C3_KRzisKP4FZeRzQf3k7_E_DHrM0ujHg)
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https://www.aier.org/article/we-were-wrong-so-sorry-that-we-ruined-your-life/?fbclid=IwAR0mjhfLdWbHaGRKrM_sN0K430C3_KRzisKP4FZeRzQf3k7_E_DHrM0ujHg (https://www.aier.org/article/we-were-wrong-so-sorry-that-we-ruined-your-life/?fbclid=IwAR0mjhfLdWbHaGRKrM_sN0K430C3_KRzisKP4FZeRzQf3k7_E_DHrM0ujHg)
Am I the only one who finds Cuomo the most ultimate un-likeable person on earth? .... Well him and Bernie both.
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Am I the only one who finds Cuomo the most ultimate un-likeable person on earth? .... Well him and Bernie both.
I'm beginning to think there's just something about New Yorkers that sets people off.
BTW anyone who knows how to make a new thread should do so with that essay.
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The problem with your theory is that there is no way to know on the surface who is healthy and who is not.
At the risk of being repetitive (which I am, quite deliberately) this is not like anything we’ve ever seen before. One cannot make comparisons
Polio.
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I'm beginning to think there's just something about New Yorkers that sets people off.
BTW anyone who knows how to make a new thread should do so with that essay.
I charge a fee for that.... :whistle:
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https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1244267871397707776
Josh Jordan @NumbersMuncher
Video of Dr. Fauci telling @jaketapper
that "Looking at what we're seeing now, I would say between 100,000 and 200,000 cases... excuse me, deaths. I mean, we're going to have millions of cases." #CNNSOTU
These next few weeks could be pretty rough.
Video at link
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I charge a fee for that.... :whistle:
Huh. Well @Bigun still does it pro bono.
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Polio.
1952 polio epidemic (the one that crippled one of my good friends)...... "Of the 57,628 cases reported that year 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis."
In the entire epidemic in a year, 57, 628 cases.
To date: 53, 520 cases in New York alone............. in a few weeks.
Not the same thing.
We have never seen anything like this in our lifetimes.
NONE of us.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244263531933044739
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Will be doing a press conference today at 5:00 P.M. The White House. People are working harder than I have ever seen people work. It is a beautiful thing to watch!
9:01 AM · Mar 29, 2020
Best show on TV folks.
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That is not true.
That is not true either...
Both statements are true.
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Huh. Well @Bigun still does it pro bono.
I put it in Editorials @skeeter
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396392.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396392.new.html#new)
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Huh. Well @Bigun still does it pro bono.
I saw that...I'm filing a Union Grievance, @Bigun. :laugh:
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I saw that...I'm filing a Union Grievance, @Bigun. :laugh:
Good luck with that @Cyber Liberty 88finger point
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Are you implying @Bigun that Cyber couldn't get 50% + 1 in a card check scheme and put the squeeze on Myst?
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Are you implying @Bigun that Cyber couldn't get 50% + 1 in a card check scheme and put the squeeze on Myst?
I'm not IMPLYING anything @corbe
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We had to postpone the planned Moderator Revolt until after the quarantines of healthy people stop. 888mouth
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The United States Announces Assistance To Combat the Novel Coronavirus
https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/ (https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/)
Press Statement
Michael R. Pompeo, Secretary of State
February 7, 2020
This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials. These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.
Today, the United States government is announcing it is prepared to spend up to $100 million in existing funds to assist China and other impacted countries, both directly and through multilateral organizations, to contain and combat the novel coronavirus. This commitment – along with the hundreds of millions generously donated by the American private sector – demonstrates strong U.S. leadership in response to the outbreak.
This assistance only adds to what the United States has done to strengthen health security programs around the world. For the last 20 years, the United States through USAID has invested over one billion dollars to strengthen the capacity of more than 25 countries to prevent, detect, and respond to existing and emerging infectious disease threats. Since 2015, under our commitment to the Global Health Security Agenda (GHSA), this support has helped improve surveillance and laboratory systems, risk communication, outbreak response, and address the rising threat of anti-microbial resistance.
The United States is and will remain the world’s most generous donor. We encourage the rest of the world to match our commitment. Working together, we can have a profound impact to contain this growing threat.
Anyone know what we got for this?
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Both statements are true.
No, they are not. There have been plagues that wiped out a third of mankind...
The latest being durng Obama - A swine flu that according to Wikipedia:
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% infection fatality rate/Mortality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States
Hardly memorable. Hardly a peep. Nothing shut down. No quarantine.
And YES, that IS comparable.
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Because of the Dem/MSM Trump has done nothing BS-narrative, the Trump campaign made of list of the Trump actions from when China announced to the world there was an epidemic of unknown cause, 12/31/2019 through, well, it looks like they are updating it periodically, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/ (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/) . Here are some of the milestones (I've been selective, believe it or not, :silly: ):
CDC issued a Level 1 travel notice for Wuhan, China: January 6, 2020, https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/01/cdc-issues-level-1-watch-travel-notice.html (https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/01/cdc-issues-level-1-watch-travel-notice.html)
CDC established a coronavirus incident management system: January 7, 2020, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/videos/coronavirus/COVID-19-webinar.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/videos/coronavirus/COVID-19-webinar.pdf)
Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health working developing a vaccine for coronavirus: January 20, 2020, https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/health/coronavirus-nih-vaccine-development/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/health/coronavirus-nih-vaccine-development/index.html)
CDC activated its emergency operations center: January 20, 2020, https://emergency.cdc.gov/recentincidents/index.asp?cid=EPR-homepage (https://emergency.cdc.gov/recentincidents/index.asp?cid=EPR-homepage)
CDC sought “special emergency authorization†from FDA to allow states to use its coronavirus test: January 23, 2020, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-cdc-idUSKBN1ZM2XS (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-cdc-idUSKBN1ZM2XS)
White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force: January 29, 2020, https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/480627-white-house-announces-task-force-to-monitor-coronavirus (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/480627-white-house-announces-task-force-to-monitor-coronavirus)
CDC had a team ready to travel to China: February 3, 2020, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who-mission-idUSKBN1ZX2BV (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who-mission-idUSKBN1ZX2BV)
HHS, Regeneron Collaborate to Develop 2019-nCoV Treatment: February 4, 2020, https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/02/04/hhs-regeneron-collaborate-to-develop-2019-ncov-treatment.html (https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/02/04/hhs-regeneron-collaborate-to-develop-2019-ncov-treatment.html)
Shipping of CDC 2019 coronavirus test kits begins: February 6, 2020, https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0206-coronavirus-diagnostic-test-kits.html (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0206-coronavirus-diagnostic-test-kits.html)
HHS expands partnership with Janssen Research & Development for vaccine development: February 11, 2020, https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/02/11/hhs-janssen-join-forces-on-coronavirus-vaccine.html (https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/02/11/hhs-janssen-join-forces-on-coronavirus-vaccine.html)
HHS to work with Sanofi Pasteur to develop coronavirus vaccine and treatment: February 18, 2020, https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/18/sanofi-announces-it-will-work-with-hhs-to-develop-coronavirus-vaccine/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/18/sanofi-announces-it-will-work-with-hhs-to-develop-coronavirus-vaccine/)
Level 4 travel advisory to Italy, South Korea: February 29, 2020, https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2020/02/29/coronavirus-trump-adds-travel-restrictions-italy-south-korea/4914822002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2020/02/29/coronavirus-trump-adds-travel-restrictions-italy-south-korea/4914822002/)
Iran travel ban announced: February 29, 2020, https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/29/trump-administration-expands-coronavirus-travel-ban-to-include-iran/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/29/trump-administration-expands-coronavirus-travel-ban-to-include-iran/)
CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing: March 4, 2020, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html)
Trump and VP Pence met with health insurance companies and secured commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing: March 10, 2020, https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-pence-meet-with-insurance-executives-agree-to-waive-copays-extend-treatment-80407109506 (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-pence-meet-with-insurance-executives-agree-to-waive-copays-extend-treatment-80407109506)
Trump suspended travel from Europe: March 11, 2020, https://news.yahoo.com/trump-suspends-travel-from-europe-for-30-days-as-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-grow-014314635.html (https://news.yahoo.com/trump-suspends-travel-from-europe-for-30-days-as-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-grow-014314635.html)
Trump announced public-private partnerships for drive-through testing: March 13, 2020, https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/trump-announces-public-private-partnership-increase-national-coronavirus-69587547 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/trump-announces-public-private-partnership-increase-national-coronavirus-69587547)
FDA granted emergency approval for faster coronavirus test: March 13, 2020, https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/other/487393-fda-grants-emergency-approval-for-faster-coronavirus-test (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/other/487393-fda-grants-emergency-approval-for-faster-coronavirus-test)
FDA emergency approval for Thermo-Fisher coronavirus test (within 24 hours of applying): March 13, 2020, https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-emergency-use-authorization-thermo-fisher (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-emergency-use-authorization-thermo-fisher)
Public-private partnerships allowed to open up drive-through testing collection sites: March 13, 2020, https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/13/in-declaring-national-emergency-trump-pledges-drive-thru-testing-greater-flexibility-for-doctors/ (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/13/in-declaring-national-emergency-trump-pledges-drive-thru-testing-greater-flexibility-for-doctors/)
FDA granted Roche AG an emergency approval for automated coronavirus testing kits: March 13, 2020, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/roche-gets-clearance-for-coronavirus-test-that-s-10-times-faster (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/roche-gets-clearance-for-coronavirus-test-that-s-10-times-faster)
HHS announced funding for development of two rapid diagnostic tests: March 13, 2020, https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/03/13/hhs-funds-development-covid-19-diagnostic-tests.html (https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/03/13/hhs-funds-development-covid-19-diagnostic-tests.html)
European travel ban extend to include the UK and Ireland: March 14, 2020, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/14/white-house-adds-uk-ireland-to-travel-ban-129470 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/14/white-house-adds-uk-ireland-to-travel-ban-129470)
FDA allowing states to authorize use of tests developed by labs in their states: March 16, 2020, https://seekingalpha.com/news/3552325-fda-to-allow-states-to-authorize-coronavirus-tests (https://seekingalpha.com/news/3552325-fda-to-allow-states-to-authorize-coronavirus-tests)
Defense Department to give HHS up to 5M respirator masks, 2,000 ventilators: March 17, 2020, https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2115200/dod-poised-to-provide-masks-ventilators-labs-to-hhs-for-coronavirus-fight/ (https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2115200/dod-poised-to-provide-masks-ventilators-labs-to-hhs-for-coronavirus-fight/)
HHS to suspended regulation against doctors practicing across state lines: March 18, 2020, https://www.medicaleconomics.com/news/coronavirus-response-doctors-can-now-practice-across-state-lines (https://www.medicaleconomics.com/news/coronavirus-response-doctors-can-now-practice-across-state-lines)
Temporary closure of U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic: March 18, 2020, https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03/18/trump-announces-temporary-u-s-canada-border-closure-amid-virus-pandemic/ (https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03/18/trump-announces-temporary-u-s-canada-border-closure-amid-virus-pandemic/)
HUD foreclosures and evictions suspended for a at least 60 days: March 18, 2020, https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/OCHCO/documents/20-04hsgml.pdf (https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/OCHCO/documents/20-04hsgml.pdf)
Carnival Cruise Lines ships available for hospital use (non-corona virus patients): March 19, 2020, https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/19/cruise-line-offers-up-ships-for-use-as-temporary-hospitals/ (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/19/cruise-line-offers-up-ships-for-use-as-temporary-hospitals/)
State Department global level 4 health advisory, avoid all international travel: March 19, 2020, https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/ea/travel-advisory-alert-global-level-4-health-advisory-issue.html (https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/ea/travel-advisory-alert-global-level-4-health-advisory-issue.html)
US Mexico agree to restrict nonessential cross-border traffic: March 20, 2020, https://www.wesh.com/article/us-and-mexico-coordinating-on-plan-to-restrict-travel-across-the-border-1/31794143 (https://www.wesh.com/article/us-and-mexico-coordinating-on-plan-to-restrict-travel-across-the-border-1/31794143)
Governors remain in command of National Guard, Federals pay 100% of operations cost (all states): March 22, 2020, https://www.thewrap.com/trump-fema-will-pay-100-of-cost-for-national-guard-in-new-york-california-washington/ (https://www.thewrap.com/trump-fema-will-pay-100-of-cost-for-national-guard-in-new-york-california-washington/)
Army ordered three army hospitals to deploy to New York and Washington: March 24, 2020, https://armyupdate.com/index.php/2020/03/25/army-medical-hospitals-deploying-to-n-y-and-washington-state/ (https://armyupdate.com/index.php/2020/03/25/army-medical-hospitals-deploying-to-n-y-and-washington-state/)
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1952 polio epidemic (the one that crippled one of my good friends)...... "Of the 57,628 cases reported that year 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis."
In the entire epidemic in a year, 57, 628 cases.
To date: 53, 520 cases in New York alone............. in a few weeks.
Not the same thing.
We have never seen anything like this in our lifetimes.
NONE of us.
1952 was not the first year that polio appeared on the scene, meaning that there was already some immunity in the general population. However, your figures do point out casualties of over 24,000 in that year alone. A 1916 epidemic in New York City alone killed 2,000 and left untold thousands paralyzed. The response was massive quarantines, the closure of public establishments, and the prohibition of gatherings. Names and addresses of those infected were published in news outlets, initializing the ostracizing its victims. By casual observation, you couldn't tell who had it since many cases went undetected and did not result in paralysis.
In the 40's and 50's, polio would kill or paralyze on average HALF A MILLION PEOPLE across the world EVERY YEAR.
So yes, America has faced something like this before, something that has had a longer lived and far more devastating effect than the current epidemic.
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No, they are not. There have been plagues that wiped out a third of mankind...
The latest being durng Obama - A swine flu that according to Wikipedia:
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% infection fatality rate/Mortality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States
Hardly memorable. Hardly a peep. Nothing shut down. No quarantine.
And YES, that IS comparable.
Those are final numbers........ and without the appropriate medical response, so the numbers are greater than they would have been with proper isolation.
This virus is nowhere near the peak, so comparative figures are not yet valid.
But I have no doubt that a few of you will continue posting them to underplay the severity of this virus.
For whatever reason.......... :shrug:
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1952 was not the first year that polio appeared on the scene, meaning that there was already some immunity in the general population. However, your figures do point out casualties of over 24,000 in that year alone. A 1916 epidemic in New York City alone killed 2,000 and left untold thousands paralyzed. The response was massive quarantines, the closure of public establishments, and the prohibition of gatherings. Names and addresses of those infected were published in news outlets, initializing the ostracizing its victims. By casual observation, you couldn't tell who had it since many cases went undetected and did not result in paralysis.
In the 40's and 50's, polio would kill or paralyze on average HALF A MILLION PEOPLE across the world EVERY YEAR.
So yes, America has faced something like this before, something that has had a longer lived and far more devastating effect than the current epidemic.
My point........... which you missed.......was that this is unprecedented in our lifetimes. In OUR lifetimes.
I chose 1952 because many of us were alive then, the polio scare was tremendous, and yet the numbers in a couple of weeks with this virus far surpass those numbers.
The numbers of cases and deaths in the Asian flu in 1957 were large (nothing was done to isolate then.... our whole family was very sick and bedridden during that), but all the numbers from that are final numbers.
This hasn't yet peaked, and isn't going away for a long time (a year before a vaccine?), so the numbers in the end are the only valid comparative numbers with anything in the past.
I will repeat what the medical community is saying, over and over again........this is unprecedented in our lifetimes.
Unless you're like Greg Palkot's Dad who is 107?? happy77
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New York cholera epidemic in 1832 caused 40% of the population of New York City to flee to the countryside. For those that remained, 2% of them would die from cholera. Today, that number would come to over 32,000 in Manhattan alone.
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03-29-2020 | 17:39 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 4.50 ↓ | 4.69 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 2.00 ↑ | 28.67 ↓ |
| China | 22.86 ↑ | 1.079↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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1952 was not the first year that polio appeared on the scene, meaning that there was already some immunity in the general population. However, your figures do point out casualties of over 24,000 in that year alone. A 1916 epidemic in New York City alone killed 2,000 and left untold thousands paralyzed. The response was massive quarantines, the closure of public establishments, and the prohibition of gatherings. Names and addresses of those infected were published in news outlets, initializing the ostracizing its victims. By casual observation, you couldn't tell who had it since many cases went undetected and did not result in paralysis.
In the 40's and 50's, polio would kill or paralyze on average HALF A MILLION PEOPLE across the world EVERY YEAR.
So yes, America has faced something like this before, something that has had a longer lived and far more devastating effect than the current epidemic.
Just for my own information, according to Wikipedia, FDR supposedly contacted polio in 1921. So I guess it was around for quite some time last century.
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Death rate is far from the only concern here, we don't want hospitals so busy that people who need medical care for other reasons, a broken legs, tonsils, have to go through a big crowd to get attention.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244320570315018240
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
“President Trump is a ratings hit. Since reviving the daily White House briefing Mr. Trump and his coronavirus updates have attracted an average audience of 8.5 million on cable news, roughly the viewership of the season finale of ‘The Bachelor.’ Numbers are continuing to rise...
12:48 PM · Mar 29, 2020
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
...On Monday, nearly 12.2 million people watched Mr. Trump’s briefing on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, according to Nielsen — ‘Monday Night Football’ numbers. Millions more are watching on ABC, CBS, NBC and online streaming sites, and the audience is expanding. On Monday, Fox News...
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
...alone attracted 6.2 million viewers for the president’s briefing — an astounding number for a 6 p.m. cable broadcast, more akin to the viewership for a popular prime-time sitcom...
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
...The CBS News poll said 13 percent of Republicans trusted the news media for information about the virus.†Michael M. Grynbaum @NYTimes
FANTASTIC NEWS MR. PRESIDENT!!! Gosh, I hope President Trump can keep those great ratings as the dead pile up. I know how much it means to him.
That's a little much
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This is amazing though, not surprising.
U.S. military command teams in charge of protecting homeland security are being isolated in the infamous Cheyenne mountain bunker where they will remain 'sealed off' until the coronavirus pandemic passes
Military teams that monitor foreign missile and warplane threats to the United States are isolated at a number of military sites, including Cheyenne Mountain
The Cold War-era bunker is located in Colorado Springs, Colorado
The command took such steps to ensure personnel can monitor the COVID-19 pandemic around the clock as the disease spreads around the world
The military are not immune from the disease and such is the nervousness, those working at the bunker have prepared to seal themselves off for months
Should the staff working at the bunker become ill, there is a third team of high-ranking military officials working another 'secret' location
The Navy revealed they saw several cases appear among the crew of its Nimitz-class aircraft carriers based in the Pacific
More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162937/Coronavirus-drives-army-command-teams-infamous-Cheyenne-mountain-bunker.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162937/Coronavirus-drives-army-command-teams-infamous-Cheyenne-mountain-bunker.html)
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FYI, might be something, I've heard this before, my own research backs it up.
Information from Vienna’s laboratory studying COVID-19 say vast majority of people who died had ibuprofen/Advil in their system so do not take it!! Those who recovered did not take ibuprofen so if you have symptoms, take Paracetamol only!!! Looks like this virus thrives on ibuprofen so don’t do it and tell everyone you can!!!
Please pass this information on to everyone in each family I don’t want to miss anyone so share as much as you can. Or copy and paste!
I just spoke with my friend who is a nurse at VGH (Vancouver) and they just learnt that Advil makes the virus 10x worse. Tylenol ONLY for the time being. She said Advil kickstarts the virus into pneumonia.
She also said they are not releasing the correct number of cases on the news and they have patients coming in everyday and some currently on ventilators. Soon they won’t have enough room in the hospitals to treat patients and will have to turn people away. They’ve cancelled all surgeries to use the ORs for available ventilators, but it still won’t be enough.
She also said she found some people in their 40s and 50s who were previously healthy to be on ventilators and having major difficulty breathing because they took Advil.
Also 4 doctors at VGH are now infected and she said she has never seen her doctors so worried before. So please no Advil and stay safe!!!
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New York cholera epidemic in 1832 caused 40% of the population of New York City to flee to the countryside. For those that remained, 2% of them would die from cholera. Today, that number would come to over 32,000 in Manhattan alone.
Wow. Some of us are very, VERY old, if the cholera epidemic was in our lifetime. wink777
Unprecedented in OUR lifetime.
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Death rate is far from the only concern here, we don't want hospitals so busy that people who need medical care for other reasons, a broken legs, tonsils, have to go through a big crowd to get attention.
Hospitals in certain locations are already overwhelmed.
Some other buildings are being refitted in order to take care of non-contagious patients to alleviate the enormous stress on existing hospitals. In some areas one hospital is being designated a COVID hospital while others have patients with other medical needs.
So you are right.......... the death rate, whatever it will END UP being, is not the only concern. Focusing on it and saying this ain't so bad blurs the reality that this is indeed very, very bad.
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All of us have the ability to "see" into the past. It's called 'history'.
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All of us have the ability to "see" into the past. It's called 'history'.
And that has no bearing on the statement made about what is happening in OUR lifetime. That is the reference I made.
And I know history well. It's just that the medical experts are USING that information to keep us safer today.
And THEY are the people I choose to listen to.
We all know that there have been plagues and diseases in the past that killed many. Our healthcare experts are working hard to make sure that the damage from this plague is minimized.
Stay safe, Hoodat. Don't be afraid.
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FYI, might be something, I've heard this before, my own research backs it up.
Information from Vienna’s laboratory studying COVID-19 say vast majority of people who died had ibuprofen/Advil in their system so do not take it!! Those who recovered did not take ibuprofen so if you have symptoms, take Paracetamol only!!! Looks like this virus thrives on ibuprofen so don’t do it and tell everyone you can!!!
Please pass this information on to everyone in each family I don’t want to miss anyone so share as much as you can. Or copy and paste!
I just spoke with my friend who is a nurse at VGH (Vancouver) and they just learnt that Advil makes the virus 10x worse. Tylenol ONLY for the time being. She said Advil kickstarts the virus into pneumonia.
She also said they are not releasing the correct number of cases on the news and they have patients coming in everyday and some currently on ventilators. Soon they won’t have enough room in the hospitals to treat patients and will have to turn people away. They’ve cancelled all surgeries to use the ORs for available ventilators, but it still won’t be enough.
She also said she found some people in their 40s and 50s who were previously healthy to be on ventilators and having major difficulty breathing because they took Advil.
Also 4 doctors at VGH are now infected and she said she has never seen her doctors so worried before. So please no Advil and stay safe!!!
Okay, no ibuprofen.
Is this corrrect that that "paracetamol" is "acetaminophen"?
Paracetamol
Paracetamol, also known as acetaminophen and APAP, is a medication used to treat pain and fever. It is typically used for mild to moderate pain relief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
Paracetamol was mentioned before, I really wasn't familiar with that term.
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NY is producing the highest numbers of cases and deaths but I heard they are not at the top per deaths per population. There are a lot of factors though, including if the cases are coming from nursing homes for example.
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And that has no bearing on the statement made about what is happening in OUR lifetime. That is the reference I made.
Here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2179344.html#msg2179344) is the post I responded to:
Quote from: musiclady on March 28, 2020, 06:53:41 PM (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2179344.html#msg2179344)The problem with your theory is that there is no way to know on the surface who is healthy and who is not.
At the risk of being repetitive (which I am, quite deliberately) this is not like anything we’ve ever seen before. One cannot make comparisons
I disagreed with your statement. I made comparisons. And I pointed out how an even greater degree of uncertainty existed with polio.
Stay safe, Hoodat. Don't be afraid.
I am not afraid and am doing my best to stay safe. Currently on Day 7 of a 15-day quarantine.
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Here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2179344.html#msg2179344) is the post I responded to:
Quote from: musiclady on March 28, 2020, 06:53:41 PM (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2179344.html#msg2179344)
I disagreed with your statement. I made comparisons. And I pointed out how an even greater degree of uncertainty existed with polio.
I am not afraid and am doing my best to stay safe. Currently on Day 7 of a 15-day quarantine.
I guess the "we've seen before" wasn't clear enough. I've made multiple references to "in our lifetime" before, and that is what I was (and will continue to be) referencing.
We have not seen this medical situation in our lifetimes (assuming that for most of us, our memories date from the 1950's and our lives from the 1940's). This rapid spread of disease..... a complete unknown, and not a flu....... has not happened in any of our memories.
I'm glad you're self-isolating. I seriously am concerned that the people here who have protested the most, are either the most afraid, or potentially the most dangerous because they are dismissing the danger by comparing it to other situations which are not the same (and at least one ridiculing the rest of us).
I'm glad that you are both taking care of yourself and not afraid.
The best thing we can do with this pandemic is to self-isolate and do our best to keep from being infected, and to keep from infecting others.
We will probably never find out with certainty how much our isolation is keeping the disease from spreading too fast, and how many lives we've saved by doing our part (including healthcare first responders), but I do know for certain that this situation IS unprecedented in our lifetime.
And I apologize for being unclear about that qualifier in the post to which you were responding.
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If I read this right, it looks like Virginia may have peaked... only 2 new cases yesterday
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/ (http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/)
Maybe. Looking at cases in ND (small data set), five to six days after a peak, there is another one. Virginia seems to be generally following that, and the last peak may have unreported cases which have not been tallied.
Hopefully, it is good news.
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Those are final numbers........ and without the appropriate medical response, so the numbers are greater than they would have been with proper isolation.
This virus is nowhere near the peak, so comparative figures are not yet valid.
But I have no doubt that a few of you will continue posting them to underplay the severity of this virus.
For whatever reason.......... :shrug:
The severity of the virus is quite incidental. A pittance paid for the reduction in liberty (particularly that which will not return) and a nation cowering in fear, reaching to government for salvation.
now THAT is sickening.
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Another month of self quarantine is what I believe I just heard Trump say.
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Another month of self quarantine is what I believe I just heard Trump say.
To April 30. An attempt to extend it beyond that will lead to big trouble, and we'll have a Democrat President next January.
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Another month of self quarantine is what I believe I just heard Trump say.
Sonsabiches.
There will be nothing left.
What shame we bring on our fathers' names.
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$hit, I need a Hobby.
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To April 30. An attempt to extend it beyond that will lead to big trouble, and we'll have a Democrat President next January.
I am guessing it will significantly longer than that. Finding vaccines / cures right now needs a Manhattan Project type focus. Each week that passes makes it that much more difficult to recover.
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Trump is still kicking the medias azz, :silly:
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I am guessing it will significantly longer than that. Finding vaccines / cures right now needs a Manhattan Project type focus. Each week that passes makes it that much more difficult to recover.
You know that's nonsense, right? Corona is the common cold. There will be no vaccine. There will be no cure. We are very likely at the treatment apex right now, having found stuff that works alright.
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$hit, I need a Hobby.
Try drinkin too much and blowin sh*t up... That's always fun...
:beer:
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Sonsabiches.
There will be nothing left.
What shame we bring on our fathers' names.
The alternative was over 2 million dead Americans. I know you don't give a damn about anyone but 2 million dead Americans is unacceptable if it can be prevented by social distancing for another 30 days.
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I am guessing it will significantly longer than that. Finding vaccines / cures right now needs a Manhattan Project type focus. Each week that passes makes it that much more difficult to recover.
Effective treatment will be found soon, getting production up to get that treatment to Docs and Hospitals might take a while.
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The alternative was over 2 million dead Americans. I know you don't give a damn about anyone but 2 million dead Americans is unacceptable if it can be prevented by social distancing for another 30 days.
Yeah, I think that's pretty much bullcrap.
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The alternative was over 2 million dead Americans. I know you don't give a damn about anyone but 2 million dead Americans is unacceptable if it can be prevented by social distancing for another 30 days.
Do you really think 2 million dead is what we're looking at? Really?
I'm the King of Social Distancing. I'm a misanthrope.
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Yeah, I think that's pretty much bullcrap.
Ayup. 100% pure. Ivory soap isn't that pure.
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Ayup. 100% pure. Ivory soap isn't that pure.
That's how they got everybody wetting their pants though. And here we are.
I swear man, people are sheep. **nononono*
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I am guessing it will significantly longer than that. Finding vaccines / cures right now needs a Manhattan Project type focus. Each week that passes makes it that much more difficult to recover.
Then Trump is finished as a political force. Done. The economy will be at Depression level, and "Trump" will be spelled "H-O-O-V-E-R." Say "Howdy-Do!" to our new Democrat overlords.
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Then Trump is finished as a political force. Done. The economy will be at Depression level, and "Trump" will be spelled "H-O-O-V-E-R." Say "Howdy-Do!" to our new Democrat overlords.
Yep. a nation on it's knees with the communists in the wings. That will be the price.
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Maybe. Looking at cases in ND (small data set), five to six days after a peak, there is another one. Virginia seems to be generally following that, and the last peak may have unreported cases which have not been tallied.
Hopefully, it is good news.
Unfortunately we have New Yorkers and Louisianians knocking on our door trying to get in -- they've been asked to self quarantine -- ya -- right, New Yorkers are above that and Louisianians ... well...they don't seem to quite grasp things.
So ... what are they going to do? Come in and visit family and infect them or stay in one of our hotels and infect the staff, etc. 9999hair out0000
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I am guessing it will significantly longer than that. Finding vaccines / cures right now needs a Manhattan Project type focus. Each week that passes makes it that much more difficult to recover.
I think that is happening right now.
There are some 69 different medications being checked out. Most promising seems to be the Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc Sulfate combo, which in an Outpatient setting would cost under $100/course, and appears to stop the virus from replicating well enough for the body's immune system to kill it.
Administered to those at risk early, it has kept people from progressing to the point where they need ventilators or ICU, essentially meaning someone would be sick for a week or so and recover. For those who are not at risk with underlying medical conditions, that pharmacology is not recommended as they will recover on their own.
Considering you can stick a fork in the American Economy if this lockdown goes on for months, or a year, biting that bullet would reduce mortality while providing herd immunity, a combination that would have us back to work inside of two months.
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Try drinkin too much and blowin sh*t up... That's always fun...
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I do that here already @roamer_1 I thought yall were getting tired of it. I can hear the Mods on my trail.
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I do that here already @roamer_1 I thought yall were getting tired of it. I can hear the Mods on my trail.
Nah, we're too busy.
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Yep. a nation on it's knees with the communists in the wings. That will be the price.
Eff that! Stand up, people!!!
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3 freaking weeks was all we had to self quarantine ourselves. 3 freaking weeks, but NOOoooo.... All this talk over the years about learning from history... and we couldn't even look at China two weeks earlier and say "Well 3 weeks and this is over if we play our cards right"... It was "I be danged if I do that".... "look at everyone else still having fun" and "My cruise is just round the corner".
9999hair out0000
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3 freaking weeks was all we had to self quarantine ourselves. 3 freaking weeks, but NOOoooo.... All this talk over the years about learning from history... and we couldn't even look at China two weeks earlier and say "Well 3 weeks and this is over if we play our cards right"... It was "I be danged if I do that".... "look at everyone else still having fun" and "My cruise is just round the corner".
9999hair out0000
Worry not. Another month and we'll be firmly in the grip of another Great Depression, and we'll be free of the hated Trump. See, there is really a bright side! Happy Days are sure to be Here Again!
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Worry not. Another month and we'll be firmly in the grip of another Great Depression, and we'll be free of the hated Trump. See, there is really a bright side! Happy Days are sure to be Here Again!
And we could of been 4 weeks virus free by that time...
Party like it is 1999...
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And we could of been 4 weeks virus free by that time...
Party like it is 1999...
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Do you really think 2 million dead is what we're looking at? Really?
I'm the King of Social Distancing. I'm a misanthrope.
Yes, that is the estimate of our best scientists using the most recent data. Two blinds studies from last week, take no action 2+ million dead. Take action 200,000 dead. This is NOT the flu.
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I think that is happening right now.
There are some 69 different medications being checked out. Most promising seems to be the Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc Sulfate combo, which in an Outpatient setting would cost under $100/course, and appears to stop the virus from replicating well enough for the body's immune system to kill it.
Administered to those at risk early, it has kept people from progressing to the point where they need ventilators or ICU, essentially meaning someone would be sick for a week or so and recover. For those who are not at risk with underlying medical conditions, that pharmacology is not recommended as they will recover on their own.
Considering you can stick a fork in the American Economy if this lockdown goes on for months, or a year, biting that bullet would reduce mortality while providing herd immunity, a combination that would have us back to work inside of two months.
I pray it works....I need to get back to work to find worthless oil. happy77
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HOW COVID-19 KILLS--I'm a Surgeon--And Why We Can't Save You
4,492,907 views•Mar 23, 2020
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM#)
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Yes, that is the estimate of our best scientists using the most recent data. Two blinds studies from last week, take no action 2+ million dead. Take action 200,000 dead. This is NOT the flu.
Then let us not do nothing.
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Yes, that is the estimate of our best scientists using the most recent data. Two blinds studies from last week, take no action 2+ million dead. Take action 200,000 dead. This is NOT the flu.
Therein setting up a zero-sum: No downside.
Set up a noneffective quasi-quarantine, and no matter what, it can be claimed that it 'would have been worse' had we not take your livelihood and indebted your great-grandchildren.
And the sheeple will never know, in trusting their savior, that there could have ever been any other result. And the people bow and pray.
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Sunday night coronavirus positivity in United States: deaths dropped by nearly 50% — the first drop in 8 days — and total new infections dropped for the first time in eight days as well. Double positives: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
10:21 PM · Mar 29, 2020
Clay Travis @ClayTravis
As always, numbers can fluctuate on a day to day basis, but these are obviously very positive signs after eight days of numbers going the opposite direction. We’ll see now whether we can string a few good days together.
10:25 PM · Mar 29, 2020·Coronavirus Cases: 142,793
Deaths: 2,490
Recovered: 4,562
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Houston Methodist first in the nation to try coronavirus blood transfusion therapy
Houston Chronicle by Todd Ackerman March 28, 2020
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-Methodist-first-in-the-nation-to-try-15164229.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-Methodist-first-in-the-nation-to-try-15164229.php)
Houston Methodist Hospital Saturday night transfused the blood of a patient who has recovered from COVID-19 into a critically ill patient, the first hospital in the nation to try the experimental therapy.
A Houston individual who has been in good health for more than two weeks since being diagnosed donated the blood plasma for what’s known as convalescent serum therapy. The concept dates back to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918.
“Convalescent serum therapy could be a vital treatment route because unfortunately there is relatively little to offer many patients except supportive care, and the ongoing clinical trials are going to take a while,†Dr. Eric Salazar, a physician scientist with Methodist’s Research Institute, said in a statement. “We don’t have that much time.â€
On Sunday, Salazar said the team also transfused the same donor's blood into a second critically ill patient.
More at link.
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HOW COVID-19 KILLS--I'm a Surgeon--And Why We Can't Save You
4,492,907 views•Mar 23, 2020
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM#)
Good video. Thanks for posting.
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Sunday night coronavirus positivity in United States: deaths dropped by nearly 50% — the first drop in 8 days — and total new infections dropped for the first time in eight days as well. Double positives: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
10:21 PM · Mar 29, 2020
Clay Travis @ClayTravis
As always, numbers can fluctuate on a day to day basis, but these are obviously very positive signs after eight days of numbers going the opposite direction. We’ll see now whether we can string a few good days together.
10:25 PM · Mar 29, 2020·
Very good news.
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Building hospital in Central Park, NY:
https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1244612796785950720
(Video, I see the Samaritan's Purse logo on one of the tents)
This has already been well reported on.
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FDA Approves Battelle Mask Sterilizing Technology (https://www.10tv.com/article/fda-approves-use-battelles-mask-sterilizing-technology-full-capacity-2020-mar)
FINALLY!
Gov. DeWine put GREAT pressure on the FDA (dragging its bureaucratic feet), calling President Trump yesterday to put even greater pressure on them, and they FINALLY approved the technology that will sterilize 80,000 masks per day for reuse by first responders!
One will remain in Ohio, one is ready to go on Long Island, others will go to NYC, Seattle and Washington DC, and more are coming.
This is GREAT news!!
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Yes, that is the estimate of our best scientists using the most recent data. Two blinds studies from last week, take no action 2+ million dead. Take action 200,000 dead. This is NOT the flu.
You realize that this is a math equation and not a science equation, right?
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Very good news.
I guess the "useless" quarantine may not be so useless after all.
If the numbers are slowing down (a BIG "if"), then the social distancing and shut downs are accomplishing the goal of our leaders and our medical experts.
That will be good news if it holds up.
However........... New York............. **nononono*
Cases - 60,697
Deaths - 1,026
I am SO thankful that two of the Battelle mask sanitizing machines are going to New York.....
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I guess the "useless" quarantine may not be so useless after all.
If the numbers are slowing down (a BIG "if"), then the social distancing and shut downs are accomplishing the goal of our leaders and our medical experts.
That will be good news if it holds up.
However........... New York............. **nononono*
Cases - 60,697
Deaths - 1,026
I am SO thankful that two of the Battelle mask sanitizing machines are going to New York.....
I would not call what's being done, "useless." If slowing the inevitable spread means we can prevent over-taxing the medical resources, I'd call that a "win." That said, the people will only accept the conditions for so long before they stop complying. the President and his advisors have decided we'll comply until 4/30 at least.
The time appears to be used wisely, because treatments are being identified and applied, some of them are new.
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FDA Approves Battelle Mask Sterilizing Technology (https://www.10tv.com/article/fda-approves-use-battelles-mask-sterilizing-technology-full-capacity-2020-mar)
FINALLY!
Gov. DeWine put GREAT pressure on the FDA (dragging its bureaucratic feet), calling President Trump yesterday to put even greater pressure on them, and they FINALLY approved the technology that will sterilize 80,000 masks per day for reuse by first responders!
One will remain in Ohio, one is ready to go on Long Island, others will go to NYC, Seattle and Washington DC, and more are coming.
This is GREAT news!!
Trump needs to blow up the FDA and CDC when this is over.
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Trump needs to blow up the FDA and CDC when this is over.
There are a lot of three-letter bureaucracies that need to be erased.
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You realize that this is a math equation and not a science equation, right?
What does that mean?
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I would not call what's being done, "useless." If slowing the inevitable spread means we can prevent over-taxing the medical resources, I'd call that a "win." That said, the people will only accept the conditions for so long before they stop complying. the President and his advisors have decided we'll comply until 4/30 at least.
The time appears to be used wisely, because treatments are being identified and applied, some of them are new.
It sounds like Trump is listening to his medical advisors.
As I have said before, I never thought I’d be using the words “wise†and “Trump†in the same sentence, but this is a wise decision.
After May 1, high risk people should still isolate and everyone should continue to sanitize everything, but businesses should be up and running again and the economy will recover.
I mean this IS America! :patriot:
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It sounds like Trump is listening to his medical advisors.
As I have said before, I never thought I’d be using the words “wise†and “Trump†in the same sentence, but this is a wise decision.
After May 1, high risk people should still isolate and everyone should continue to sanitize everything, but businesses should be up and running again and the economy will recover.
I mean this IS America! :patriot:
That is what I am hoping for. I think I have reason to be optimistic. Meanwhile, in related news, the Stock Market did not respond in the manner I expected. I expected a thousand-point drop in the Blue Chips this morning because of this announcement, but it is, in fact, up over 400.
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I'm sure, these kinds of cases will be extremely rare, exception to the rule:
Illinois health officials announce first death of an infant with COVID-19
by KHQA Saturday, March 28th 2020
The Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH) today reported the death of an infant younger than one year in Chicago who tested positive for coronavirus disease (COVID-19).
“There has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant. A full investigation is underway to determine the cause of death,†said IDPH Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike. “We must do everything we can to prevent the spread of this deadly virus. If not to protect ourselves, but to protect those around us.â€
Older adults are at higher risk of severe illness, and more than 85% of deaths in Illinois are among individuals 60 years of age and older. However, people of all ages are suffering severe illness.
More at: https://abc7amarillo.com/news/nation-world/illinois-health-officials-announce-first-death-of-an-infant-with-covid-19
I know I heard of one case about a week ago, this may or may not be that one.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPbJ0-DxTc#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPbJ0-DxTc#)
That was exceptionally well done.
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https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1244640687812993024
Andrew Cuomo @NYGovCuomo
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Welcome to New York, @USNSComfort
We knew from the outset that expanded hospital capacity was critical.
We asked and the federal government answered.
This ship is a step forward in our fight against Coronavirus.
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https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1244640687812993024
Andrew Cuomo @NYGovCuomo
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Welcome to New York, @USNSComfort
We knew from the outset that expanded hospital capacity was critical.
We asked and the federal government answered.
This ship is a step forward in our fight against Coronavirus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUXaD7UWkAUUNOU.jpg)
Andy Cuomo is a lot smarter than Nancy Pelosi.
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Andy Cuomo is a lot smarter than Nancy Pelosi.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUWjCGBXgAEkXOX.jpg)
Looks like 7 out of 10 NYers probably agree.
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https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/crime/man-accused-of-spraying-business-with-substance-labeled-covid-19-terrorism-task-force-investigating/522-7ae02552-a237-448c-b6cc-3c0d8f358551 (https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/crime/man-accused-of-spraying-business-with-substance-labeled-covid-19-terrorism-task-force-investigating/522-7ae02552-a237-448c-b6cc-3c0d8f358551)
Man sprayed substance he labeled "Covid-19" around business. Story is not copying over. Read at link. Yes, we are bound to have a few kinds of these stories.
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New cases in New York drop below 7,000. I believe this is the second straight decline for that state.
Anecdotally—this is on top of the state catching up on testing (the local positive tests seem to be coming back the next day as opposed to several days earlier in the outbreak) which may be bumping up the current new caseload. Hard to tell with the CDC not updating the "symptom onset" chart since the 26th.
Erie County (Buffalo) went from 85 new cases the other day, to 68 yesterday, to 36 today. The progress at this point is obvious. Much of New York will likely be free of new COVID cases by the end of next month, of that I am virtually certain.
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From the NYC Health Dept:
Farzad Mostashari
@Farzad_MD
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New York City Emergency Room visits continued the downward trajectory through the weekend!
I'm hoping we see a blunting of the hospitalization rate soon.
We may have turned the corner on infections, though ICU admissions and deaths will not peak for 1-2 weeks.
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03-30-2020 | 19:39 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global | 4.33 ↓ | 4.82 ↑ |
| US/Can/Mex | 2.07 ↑ | 26.61 ↓ |
| China | 22.91 ↑ | 1.076↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
North America numbers continue to move in right direction. Look for us to pass surpass Global numbers in about 10 days as ours continue to improve while global continues to decline.
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More People Died From Suicide Than Coronavirus In Tennessee This Week
March 27, 2020 By Tristan Justice
Knox County, Tennessee saw nine deaths by suicide within 48 hours this week as doomsday predicitons over the novel Wuhan coronavirus panics an already axious public and leaves millions unemployed and isolated.
In Tennessee, the crisis is taking its toll on those who were not physically sick but who appear to have fallen victim to the virus anyway. As of this writing, more people have died from suicide in Knox County than people have from the virus in the entire state, where there have been 6 fatalities from the disease, according to the Tennessee Department of Health.
“That number is completely shocking and makes me wonder if what we are doing now is really the best approach,†said Knoxville, Tennessee Mayor Glenn Jacobs. “We have to determine how we can respond to COVID-19 in a way that keeps our economy intact, keeps people employed and empowers them with a feeling of hope and optimism – not desperation and despair.â€
Read more at: https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/27/more-people-died-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-in-tennessee-this-week/
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https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1244640687812993024
Andrew Cuomo @NYGovCuomo
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Welcome to New York, @USNSComfort
We knew from the outset that expanded hospital capacity was critical.
We asked and the federal government answered.
This ship is a step forward in our fight against Coronavirus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUXaD7UWkAUUNOU.jpg)
Maybe so, but those guys aren't even two feet apart. So much for "social distancing".
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As I have been so repeatedly informed when comparing with the flu, with traffic deaths, etc. that is irrelevant.
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As I have been so repeatedly informed when comparing with the flu, with traffic deaths, etc. that is irrelevant.
Repeatedly and correctly.
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Repeatedly and correctly.
Not so correctly, as the purpose was to provide perspective, but thanks for popping up again.
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A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak?fbclid=IwAR0v4knDHz3eGaukMPUG4NV8246HFJyrBVAO7p8D9rjxCl1kd5wBs7anRYc)
A cautionary tale. No one had any symptoms.
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Not so correctly, as the purpose was to provide perspective, but thanks for popping up again.
You're welcome.
I think pretty much everyone knows that more people aren't dying per week from COVID-19 than from anything else that exists.
The ONLY time we'll have "perspective" is when this pandemic is over and things can accurately be assessed.
Until then, your "perspective" is white noise.
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A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak?fbclid=IwAR0v4knDHz3eGaukMPUG4NV8246HFJyrBVAO7p8D9rjxCl1kd5wBs7anRYc)
A cautionary tale. No one had any symptoms.
8888crybaby
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You're welcome.
I think pretty much everyone knows that more people aren't dying per week from COVID-19 than from anything else that exists.
The ONLY time we'll have "perspective" is when this pandemic is over and things can accurately be assessed.
Until then, your "perspective" is white noise.
Sing that at their funerals. They are just white noise.
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Sing that at their funerals. They are just white noise.
Oh, c'mon, Joe. You're better than that.
The statistics are white noise. Not the people. Yikes. **nononono*
The point is, and the truth is, there is no "perspective" on the numbers until they are all in, so your pointing out the people die in other ways is not relevant. We all KNOW that. This thread is for news about the pandemic, not a defense of your minimizing its importance or the tragedy of it.
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I think we can all be thankful for the generosity of Mike Lindell of myPillow.com and equally for tonight's great ratings.
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8888crybaby
I know. How many other churches, choirs, groups got together thinking they were fine because they were all asymptomatic, but ended up hospitalized, in ICU's or dead because they got together to sing, or whatever they were doing?
This has got to be repeated all over the country.
Tragic.
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Oh, c'mon, Joe. You're better than that.
The statistics are white noise. Not the people. Yikes. **nononono*
The point is, and the truth is, there is no "perspective" on the numbers until they are all in, so your pointing out the people die in other ways is not relevant. We all KNOW that. This thread is for news about the pandemic, not a defense of your minimizing its importance or the tragedy of it.
I am minimizing neither the people, the pandemic, nor the tragedy.
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A moment of levity, with a purpose.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbe_aoaw0y4#)
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I am minimizing neither the people, the pandemic, nor the tragedy.
If that makes you feel better....
Your post to me was hideous. You KNOW better. You ARE better.
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After just 25 minutes of listing all the incredible things our government and private business have been doing since yesterday, Seema Verma the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services sends her condolences to the families of the dead. President Trump should be doing that, not because this is all his fault, but because it would hopefully mean something to the grieving.
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If that makes you feel better....
Your post to me was hideous. You KNOW better. You ARE better.
@Smokin Joe @musiclady
You are both good friends of mine. Nobody meant to be cruel, there are a lot of frayed nerves right now....
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A moment of levity, with a purpose.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbe_aoaw0y4#)
Good stuff @Cyber Liberty
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@Smokin Joe @musiclady
You are both good friends of mine. Nobody meant to be cruel, there are a lot of frayed nerves right now....
I didn't mean to be, and wasn't cruel.
Thanks for your efforts to make peace, Cyber. I'm only going to post news about the pandemic here, nothing more.
Sorry that I did something else. I'll let it go, and probably put Joe on temporary Ignore. He's a good guy, and I pray didn't mean what he said.
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@Smokin Joe @musiclady
You are both good friends of mine. Nobody meant to be cruel, there are a lot of frayed nerves right now....
Unlike lonely Congressman Massie, I'll second that. Your both good people and usually very thoughtful posters.
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World Health Organization insists coronavirus not an airborne disease as experts raise possibility
by Jerry Dunleavy | March 30, 2020 05:44 PM
The World Health Organization doubled down on its claim that the COVID-19 virus is not transmittable by air even as some experts suggest it is possible and as Western officials recommend that doctors and nurses take precautions.
“FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne,†WHO declared in a Saturday fact-check tweet. "The #coronavirus is mainly transmitted through droplets generated when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks.â€
But a study in the United States suggests otherwise. Carried out by more than a dozen health experts working with the National Institute for Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratories, the study released this month found "aerosol … transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is plausible, since the virus can remain viable and infectious in aerosols for hours.â€
Read more at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/world-health-organization-insists-coronavirus-not-an-airborne-disease-as-experts-raise-possibility (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/world-health-organization-insists-coronavirus-not-an-airborne-disease-as-experts-raise-possibility)
So, up-to-date news, this is actually pretty important AND, I'm going to think it can be airborne. I may be wrong, I'm no scientist or doctor.
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Cyber wrote:
"Meanwhile, in related news, the Stock Market did not respond in the manner I expected. I expected a thousand-point drop in the Blue Chips this morning because of this announcement, but it is, in fact, up over 400."
My guess is that the market rose today because of the FDA's endorsement of the anti-malaria drug for doctors to use as they determine necessary.
The exploding numbers of infected (in NYC and elsewhere) will probably push the market back down as the week progresses.
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“FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne,†WHO declared in a Saturday fact-check tweet. "The #coronavirus is mainly transmitted through droplets generated when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks.â€
So, up-to-date news, this is actually pretty important AND, I'm going to think it can be airborne. I may be wrong, I'm no scientist or doctor.
That quote from the article is silly. No, the virus isn't "airborne," but it's the droplets carrying the virus that are airborne. There's no functional difference.
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After getting angry at an Acosta question President Trump says "I could cause panic."
Always
Be
Trolling
That conference could have gone better. Still the policy is the policy, and the policy is sound. Get some sleep Mr. President.
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I heard elsewhere the WHO sucked, and gave out false info like masks don't help.
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After getting angry at an Acosta question President Trump says "I could cause panic."
Always
Be
Trolling
That conference could have gone better. Still the policy is the policy, and the policy is sound. Get some sleep Mr. President.
I noticed this presser was outside. I think the President will be steering away from pressers in the press room, to avoid giving reporters TV face time.
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I heard elsewhere the WHO sucked, and gave out false info like masks don't help.
There's a list of reasons why WHO sucks, not the least of which is their persistent refusal to recognize Taiwan's observations early in the crisis. That probably cost thousands of lives, world wide.
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2 Dead, More than 100 Hospitalized - Tennessee Rehab Center (https://www.wsmv.com/news/dead-hospitalized-amid-covid--outbreak-at-gallatin-rehabilitation-center/article_d3c90612-7106-11ea-b327-a380e71a02a6.html)
Gallatin, TN, Sumner County
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"Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson has procured approximately two million face masks to counter the shortage of the much-needed protective gear at hospitals across the United States"https://t.co/4e242kcAw9— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) March 30, 2020
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I noticed this presser was outside. I think the President will be steering away from pressers in the press room, to avoid giving reporters TV face time.
Great idea ... but unfortunately they still get face time when they ask a question. I think it's the beautiful 70 degree day we have here (albeit quite windy) happy77
@Cyber Liberty
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Great idea ... but unfortunately they still get face time when they ask a question. I think it's the beautiful 70 degree day we have here (albeit quite windy) happy77
@Cyber Liberty
Correction: They get "voice time," not "face time." The successful star of The Apprentice knows this instinctively. The image is the medium, and in this medium, the reporters are disembodied voices. This is as it should be, as a reminder to all Freshman J-School students: "Report the news, don't BE the news." It's a lesson that gets forgotten the moment they pick up the sheepskin.
@Right_in_Virginia
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Correction: They get "voice time," not "face time." The successful star of The Apprentice knows this instinctively. The image is the medium, and in this medium, the reporters are disembodied voices. This is as it should be, as a reminder to all Freshman J-School students: "Report the news, don't BE the news." It's a lesson that gets forgotten the moment they pick up the sheepskin.
@Right_in_Virginia
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Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
Wow:
CBS News was caught airing footage from an Italian hospital, claiming it was in New York City
Italian hospitals failed the stress test of this virus
They want you to think this happened here
I wonder why?
12:59 PM · Mar 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
(Two unbelievable) Videos at link: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1244670556110110729
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Not only is CBS dishonest, they think so little of their viewers, that they didn't think they would get caught.
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This needs to go viral. CBS? Figured they would have learned their lesson after the Dan Rather fiasco.
I got it forwarded to about 25 of my good contacts. I challenge everyone else to do the same.
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Cyber wrote:
"Meanwhile, in related news, the Stock Market did not respond in the manner I expected. I expected a thousand-point drop in the Blue Chips this morning because of this announcement, but it is, in fact, up over 400."
My guess is that the market rose today because of the FDA's endorsement of the anti-malaria drug for doctors to use as they determine necessary.
The exploding numbers of infected (in NYC and elsewhere) will probably push the market back down as the week progresses.
But so far, the numbers of new cases in New York is actually down a hair, which is to be expected given that testing from after the lockdown orders is starting to work its way into the system.
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Not only is CBS dishonest, they think so little of their viewers, that they didn't think they would get caught.
Who knows...... this may just be the tip of the iceberg. No telling how much distortion and lying is being perpetuated by the MSM.
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This needs to go viral. CBS? Figured they would have learned their lesson after the Dan Rather fiasco.
I got it forwarded to about 25 of my good contacts. I challenge everyone else to do the same.
Want to make this tweet/CBS video a separate thread @Cyber Liberty ??
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Unlike lonely Congressman Massie, I'll second that. Your both good people and usually very thoughtful posters.
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And then there is me. :smokin:
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Cyber wrote:
"Meanwhile, in related news, the Stock Market did not respond in the manner I expected. I expected a thousand-point drop in the Blue Chips this morning because of this announcement, but it is, in fact, up over 400."
My guess is that the market rose today because of the FDA's endorsement of the anti-malaria drug for doctors to use as they determine necessary.
The exploding numbers of infected (in NYC and elsewhere) will probably push the market back down as the week progresses.
I don't think so. The FDA announcement was well after the Market opened for trading this morning, and it started on the upswing.
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Dr. Fauci says he thinks April will be long enough to stunt coronavirus spread but that there will be 'mini outbreaks' in small cities across America that are 'percolating' now
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167545/Dr-Fauci-says-thinks-April-long-stunt-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167545/Dr-Fauci-says-thinks-April-long-stunt-coronavirus.html)
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244713476624269312
Yashar Ali @yashar
A photo of the long line of cars outside the Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank (see video above)
These are your neighbors, folks
No one warned them that this would happen. They’ve lost their jobs & can’t get new ones because everything is closed
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The picture doesn't do justice. Video here https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244691876956889096
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I am minimizing neither the people, the pandemic, nor the tragedy.
And it turns out you're right... I wonder how that happened?
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244713476624269312
Yashar Ali @yashar
A photo of the long line of cars outside the Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank (see video above)
These are your neighbors, folks
No one warned them that this would happen. They’ve lost their jobs & can’t get new ones because everything is closed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUYcTSiUMAIp9B5.jpg)
The picture doesn't do justice. Video here https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1244691876956889096
This is a very sad reality. Where's FEMA? Weren't they called in to help? Yes food banks should be open, but FEMA should also be setting up different sites to alleviate some of the crowds.
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I wonder if the porta pottie in the picture has any toilet paper in it?
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And it turns out you're right... I wonder how that happened?
Bad habit.
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Bad habit.
:laugh: Yeah, that's it. :beer:
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Bannon is a real hawk on this matter, the first story shows what he said about 8 days ago but the next story is more recent, he basically predicted Trump would extend the shutdown, which did happen. And all of that, sounds like what Bannon has said before, he still talks to the President regularly:
Steve Bannon: We Need A "Full Shutdown" Right Now; "Go Full Hammer On The Virus"
Posted By Tim Hains On Date March 22, 2020
Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon joined Maria Bartiromo on Fox News Channel's "Sunday Morning Futures" to talk about what the federal government can do about the coronavirus pandemic.
"If you look at the situation we are in, you have to put in three buckets," Bannon said. "The pandemic, the economic crisis caused by the pandemic, both the short-term and the deeper things on the supply chain, and then the financial crisis that is now on top of every financial market across every asset class in the world."
"I don't think we have months to do this. I think what should happen, and my recommendation would be to drop the hammer, don’t mitigate the virus, don't spread the curve, shatter the curve," Bannon stated. "And go full hammer on the virus right now with a full shutdown, use the stimulus to bridge the economic crisis — it may take 2 trillion, it may take 3 trillion to force cash into the little entrepreneur and the little guy."
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpswoHa01q0#)
Read more at: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/22/steve_bannon_we_need_a_full_shutdown_right_now_go_full_hammer_on_the_virus.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/22/steve_bannon_we_need_a_full_shutdown_right_now_go_full_hammer_on_the_virus.html)
The last I knew, I think on Newsmax or on OAN, there's a show called "Steve Bannon's war room" or something, I will have to see and record these shows.
Steve Bannon predicts Trump will opt for 'harder lockdown' to fight coronavirus
Daniel Chaitin
Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon predicted President Trump will implement more restrictive measures to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.
Bannon, the former executive chairman of Breitbart News, reasoned that a "harder" shutdown will institute a faster revival of the economy, even as the president has voiced support for paring back many restrictions across the country.
Still, Bannon said he believes there will be a "big shift" this weekend after the president sees more data.
Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-predicts-trump-will-opt-for-harder-lockdown-to-fight-coronavirus/ar-BB11SuzO (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-predicts-trump-will-opt-for-harder-lockdown-to-fight-coronavirus/ar-BB11SuzO)
It's like Bannon said @Once-Ler , now is the time to drop the hammer down.
In fact, Bannon's show is going to come on in about 15 minutes, 10 PM CST on Newsmax, channel 349 on Direct TV, 'Warroom: Pandemic" with Steven Bannon.
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Dr. Fauci says he thinks April will be long enough to stunt coronavirus spread but that there will be 'mini outbreaks' in small cities across America that are 'percolating' now
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167545/Dr-Fauci-says-thinks-April-long-stunt-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167545/Dr-Fauci-says-thinks-April-long-stunt-coronavirus.html)
Not too comforting for us small city folks, but it makes sense.
Only 5 cases in our county so far, and no deaths.
Since this is a complete unknown and behaving differently than any virus in the past, I suppose that even the most educated people can't really know what's coming in the future.
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Bannon is a real hawk on this matter, the first story shows what he said about 8 days ago but the next story is more recent, he basically predicted Trump would extend the shutdown, which did happen. And all of that, sounds like what Bannon has said before, he still talks to the President regularly:
The last I knew, I think on Newsmax or on OAN, there's a show called "Steve Bannon's war room" or something, I will have to see and record these shows.
It's like Bannon said @Once-Ler , now is the time to drop the hammer down.
In fact, Bannon's show is going to come on in about 15 minutes, 10 PM CST on Newsmax, channel 349 on Direct TV, 'Warroom: Pandemic" with Steven Bannon.
@TomSea thanks for the ping. I can't say I like Steve Bannon, but I can say I think he is a very smart fellow. Sadly I don't have cable but perhaps some one will post it to Youtube. I see yesterdays shows is already there, just chopped up into 45 - 1 minute or shorter videos. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChhAh-fc15yfxCdt7C_MbBw/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChhAh-fc15yfxCdt7C_MbBw/videos)
I'm watching them now and pleasantly surprised there isn't an ad between each one. in fact no ads for the first 10 videos.
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"Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market"
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/)
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Good article on the Wuhan market above, here is a news alert I received a while ago, quite tragic.
BREAKING NEWS ALERT
The superintendent of the Holyoke Soldiers’ Home was removed from his duties Monday after the recent deaths of 11 veterans at the home — including five who tested positive for the novel coronavirus and another five whose test results are forthcoming, according to state officials.
In addition to the 11 recent deaths, another 11 surviving residents of the Soldiers’ Home have tested positive for COVID-19, as have five staff members, according to the state Department of Veterans Services. Another 25 veterans living at the home are awaiting results.
More: https://bostonglobe.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=90f9e490a860897c7155feca1&id=5e20db9df8&e=418a16250b
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https://twitter.com/MontefioreNYC/status/1244709481914793987
Montefiore Health System @MontefioreNYC
The Montefiore @EinsteinMed community is mourning the loss of Dr. James T. Goodrich, world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon. Dr. Goodrich passed away on March 30, 2020 from complications associated with COVID-19. Please see our full statement below.
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The New York Times noted a thermometer company was tracking fevers and that it has noted rates of fever are now way down. Their data appears to be substantially further ahead of the official government figures because fever is usually the first symptom and it is reported automatically.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-restrictions-fevers.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-restrictions-fevers.html)
Here's their map:
https://healthweather.us (https://healthweather.us)
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OSU Wexner Medical Center Director of Radiology Dies of Covid-19 (https://www.10tv.com/article/director-radiology-wexner-medical-center-dies-coronavirus-2020-mar)
Another front line health defender dies
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Not too comforting for us small city folks, but it makes sense.
Only 5 cases in our county so far, and no deaths.
Since this is a complete unknown and behaving differently than any virus in the past, I suppose that even the most educated people can't really know what's coming in the future.
Our county is up to 11 now with no deaths so far.
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OSU Wexner Medical Center Director of Radiology Dies of Covid-19 (https://www.10tv.com/article/director-radiology-wexner-medical-center-dies-coronavirus-2020-mar)
Another front line health defender dies
How sad....may God comfort the family....
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Sound of Music - Covid Tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMBh-eo3tvE&fbclid=IwAR1PQU--Yt1FNFH1fzYhUu1ThcG9wUccyG5a7dhnTAN0LRL6XMZIJs6VC1M)
Anybody need a break for some humor? VERY well done!
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How sad....may God comfort the family....
Yes. She fell working to keep the rest of us safe.
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Sound of Music - Covid Tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMBh-eo3tvE&fbclid=IwAR1PQU--Yt1FNFH1fzYhUu1ThcG9wUccyG5a7dhnTAN0LRL6XMZIJs6VC1M)
Anybody need a break for some humor? VERY well done!
Good stuff @musiclady . My wife and children really loves musicals, but I have never liked them. In a marriage, and family, we make many compromises so I have seen The Sound of Music more times than my favorite movie The Matrix. My family will love this. I thought it was worth some laughs too.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245000074167541761
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
With interest rates for the United States being at ZERO, this is the time to do our decades long awaited Infrastructure Bill. It should be VERY BIG & BOLD, Two Trillion Dollars, and be focused solely on jobs and rebuilding the once great infrastructure of our Country! Phase 4
9:48 AM · Mar 31, 2020
Phase 4 coming tonight. Mo money Mo Money Mo Money!!!
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TSA lists airports where 61 screeners tested positive for coronavirus
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/tsa-lists-airports-where-61-screeners-tested-positive-for-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/travel/tsa-lists-airports-where-61-screeners-tested-positive-for-coronavirus)
That's a pretty big development if nobody posted this yet.
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I saw this article last week, I don't know if anyone posted it... but there's an article stating perhaps it influenced Trump's thinking on this. The New Yorker, not really an unbiased source but this is interesting nonetheless:
The Contrarian Coronavirus Theory That Informed the Trump Administration
The New Yorker · by Isaac Chotiner · March 30, 2020
President Trump, who at one point called the coronavirus pandemic an "invisible enemy" and said it made him a "wartime President," has in recent days questioned its seriousness, tweeting, "WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF." Trump said repeatedly that he wanted the country to reopen by Easter, April 12th, contradicting the advice of most health officials. (On Sunday, he backed down and extended federal social-distancing guidelines for at least another month.) According to the Washington Post, "Conservatives close to Trump and numerous administration officials have been circulating an article by Richard A. Epstein of the Hoover Institution, titled 'Coronavirus Perspective,' which plays down the extent of the spread and the threat."
Epstein, a professor at New York University School of Law, published the article on the Web site of the Hoover Institution, on March 16th. In it, he questioned the World Health Organization's decision to declare the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic, said that "public officials have gone overboard," and suggested that about five hundred people would die from COVID-19 in the U.S. Epstein later updated his estimate to five thousand, saying that the previous number had been an error. So far, there have been more than two thousand coronavirus-related fatalities in America; epidemiologists' projections of the total deaths range widely, depending on the success of social distancing and the availability of medical resources, but they tend to be much higher than Epstein's. (On Sunday, Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, estimated that there could be between a hundred thousand and two hundred thousand deaths in the U.S.) In a follow-up article, published on March 23rd and titled "Coronavirus Overreaction," Epstein wrote, "Progressives think they can run everyone's lives through central planning, but the state of the economy suggests otherwise. Looking at the costs, the public commands have led to a crash in the stock market, and may only save a small fraction of the lives that are at risk."
Epstein has long been one of the most cited legal scholars in the country, and is known for his libertarian-minded reading of the Constitution, which envisions a restrained federal government that respects private property. He has also been known to engage with controversial subjects; last fall, he published an article on the Hoover Institution Web site that argued, "The professional skeptics are right: there is today no compelling evidence of an impending climate emergency." Last Wednesday, I spoke by phone with Epstein about his views of the coronavirus pandemic. He was initially wary of talking, and asked to record his own version of the call, which I agreed to. During our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity, Epstein made a number of comments about viruses that have been strongly disputed by medical professionals. We have included factual corrections alongside those statements.
Read more at: https://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Contrarian-Coronavirus-Theory-That-Informed-the-Trump-Administration.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=zj7onaO5ojA (https://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Contrarian-Coronavirus-Theory-That-Informed-the-Trump-Administration.html?soid=1114009586911&aid=zj7onaO5ojA)
The Hoover Institute piece, I'll just link it because now the piece is from over 2 weeks ago, March 16th.
https://www.hoover.org/research/coronavirus-isnt-pandemic (https://www.hoover.org/research/coronavirus-isnt-pandemic)
And here is this:
Law Prof’s Optimistic COVID-19 Death Toll Prediction Circulated Through the White House. It’s Already Wrong.
by Colin Kalmbacher | 1:05 pm, March 24th, 2020
https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/law-profs-optimistic-covid-19-death-toll-prediction-circulated-through-the-white-house-its-already-wrong/ (https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/law-profs-optimistic-covid-19-death-toll-prediction-circulated-through-the-white-house-its-already-wrong/)
Just posting, this last website looks liberal actually.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5azNpTwVk8#)
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Good stuff @musiclady . My wife and children really loves musicals, but I have never liked them. In a marriage, and family, we make many compromises so I have seen The Sound of Music more times than my favorite movie The Matrix. My family will love this. I thought it was worth some laughs too.
@Once-Ler I've been a super fan since I was in my early teens, so I thought this was hilarious.
Hope your family gets a laugh. We all NEED it these days!
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That's a pretty big development if nobody posted this yet.
I didn't see it. I hope those flying are really essential.
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/03/31/theodore-roosevelt-captain-makes-urgent-plea-for-individual-quarantine-sites-as-covid-19-cases-multiply/ (https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/03/31/theodore-roosevelt-captain-makes-urgent-plea-for-individual-quarantine-sites-as-covid-19-cases-multiply/)
Theodore Roosevelt captain makes urgent plea for individual quarantine sites as COVID-19 cases multiply
The commanding officer of aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is urging the Navy to step up its response to COVID-19 and secure individualized isolation for the ship’s crew as COVID-19 cases aboard the ship continue to multiply, according to a new report.
While most of the Roosevelt crew remains in cramped quarters aboard the carrier, a small percentage of sailors are starting to move into group quarantine sites on shore in Guam to limit the spread of the virus — and only one of these sites is in compliance with NAVADMIN guidance.
As a result, current efforts to combat COVID-19 are inadequate, according to the Roosevelt’s commanding officer Capt. Brett Crozier.
Crozier argued that the group quarantine sites would merely delay the spread of COVID-19 in a letter to Navy officials on Monday, obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. Likewise, he noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Navy and Marine Corps Public Health Center advise against group quarantine, and instead suggest individual quarantine.
“Sailors do not need to die,†Crozier wrote in the letter. “If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset — our Sailors.â€
Crozier said the situation would be different in a time of conflict, because “in combat we are willing to take certain risks that are not acceptable in peacetime.â€
more at link
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Changed it up a bit today. Global figures that included North America and China was heavily influenced by other categories. So US is its own category and has been separated along with China from global numbers.
03-31-2020 | 18:06 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.623 ↑ | 6.585 ↓ |
| United States | 2.883 ↑ | 22.129 ↓ |
| China | 23.011 ↑ | 1.072 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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https://www.grandforksherald.com/lifestyle/health/5021975-Rural-county-on-Minnesotas-southern-border-a-coronavirus-hot-spot (https://www.grandforksherald.com/lifestyle/health/5021975-Rural-county-on-Minnesotas-southern-border-a-coronavirus-hot-spot)
Rural county on Minnesota's southern border a coronavirus 'hot spot'
"If I knew why, believe me, I would be beating the drum a lot louder," says Martin County sheriff
FAIRMONT, Minn. — Martin County on the state's southern border has more than its share of coronavirus cases.
At just 20,000 residents, the agricultural region has 24 confirmed cases of the virus and two deaths, according to Martin County Sheriff Jeffrey Markquart. (The Minnesota Department of Health website posts 23 cases.)
That's more than the 22 cases in Anoka County, which, at 350,000 residents, is 17 times more populated.
It's twice the dozen cases in 10-times-more-populated St. Louis County, home of Duluth.
It dwarfs the single cases in neighboring Jackson, Faribault and Watonwan counties.
Why?
Pressed for a theory, Langer pointed to early skepticism within a certain cable news outlet.
"My personal opinion is there are some folks listening to some media outlets that were not taking this seriously. That can be a factor too. It's hard to prove that. I don't want to get political. But there were outlets saying it's a hoax, it's no worse than a cold, and those are things people listen to. Our advice has been to look to credible sources of information like the Minnesota Department of Health and the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). "
more at link
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@corbe
https://facebook.com/raven.roberts.73932/videos/778380449647637/?t=220 (https://facebook.com/raven.roberts.73932/videos/778380449647637/?t=220)
Never mind, you got it already. (Next time I probably won't scroll down to the end of the thread, either...)
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But there were outlets saying it's a hoax, it's no worse than a cold, and those are things people listen to.
If this is the case, people in broadcasting saying these things should be held accountable.
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Sailors Do Not Have to Die (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/31/captain-begs-help-coronavirus-grips-uss-roosevelt-/)
Captain begs help as Coronavirus grips USS Roosevelt - Washington Times
This is awful!
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On Sunday, Gov. Greg Abbott announced the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center in Downtown Dallas will become the first overflow hospital site in Texas.
"Our job is to make sure that we are looking one, two, three, four weeks ahead," Abbott said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-mayor-wants-daily-reports-of-hospital-capacity-numbers-to-track-coronavirus-needs/ar-BB11YDA3 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-mayor-wants-daily-reports-of-hospital-capacity-numbers-to-track-coronavirus-needs/ar-BB11YDA3)
Words to the wise, fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
Just for the record, I didn't see the press conference today but I did hear "scarves" were mentioned, so if one doesn't have a mass, maybe for an emergency situation, one might try that.
FACT CHECK: Should People Cover Their Faces With Scarves Like Trump Said?
March 31, 2020 Barbara Sprunt
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824911705/fact-check-should-people-cover-their-faces-with-scarves-like-trump-said (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824911705/fact-check-should-people-cover-their-faces-with-scarves-like-trump-said)
And my interpretation of the article indeed is, yes, they can help.
Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb has argued that the public should cover their faces during social distancing as an "additional layer of protection for those who have to go out."
"[Wearing masks] protects other people from getting sick from you," Gottlieb said.
This seems to chime in on this as well:
https://news.yahoo.com/bandanas-scarves-no-masks-available-us-health-authorities-171634174.html (https://news.yahoo.com/bandanas-scarves-no-masks-available-us-health-authorities-171634174.html)
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Once-Ler
Rural county on Minnesota's southern border a coronavirus 'hot spot'
"If I knew why, believe me, I would be beating the drum a lot louder," says Martin County sheriff
FAIRMONT, Minn. — Martin County on the state's southern border has more than its share of coronavirus cases.
At just 20,000 residents, the agricultural region has 24 confirmed cases of the virus and two deaths, according to Martin County Sheriff Jeffrey Markquart. (The Minnesota Department of Health website posts 23 cases.)
That's more than the 22 cases in Anoka County, which, at 350,000 residents, is 17 times more populated.
It's twice the dozen cases in 10-times-more-populated St. Louis County, home of Duluth.
It dwarfs the single cases in neighboring Jackson, Faribault and Watonwan counties.
Why?
Most of the CDC is working from home right now, basically shutdown. Now normally, once an infection has gone to a community spread stage, they abandon contact tracing. However, in communities where the numbers are small and perhaps can be affected with contact tracing, perhaps they should concentrate their resources on small communities in the hope of staving off a larger scale infection versus sitting at home.
Does this make sense to you guys? Why didn't the high and mighty at CDC think of this? I tell you, this is a concerted effort to destroy this president with this outbreak.
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Most of the CDC is working from home right now, basically shutdown. Now normally, once an infection has gone to a community spread stage, they abandon contact tracing. However, in communities where the numbers are small and perhaps can be affected with contact tracing, perhaps they should concentrate their resources on small communities in the hope of staving off a larger scale infection versus sitting at home.
Does this make sense to you guys? Why didn't the high and mighty at CDC think of this? I tell you, this is a concerted effort to destroy this president with this outbreak.
I see a concerted effort by my President, my Vice President, the CDC and scientists, Congress, and Governors to save lives. Not a conspiracy, just a failure to anticipate the future. President Trump is fighting a war against the invisible enemy, and his detractors are fighting the same war against other Americans they were fighting before the virus...because they're so good at it.
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Yesterday's Presidential conference was the best one yet. Not because of the terrible figures and stats, but because the President, Vice President, Fauci, and Bix spoke with one reassuring voice for over 2 hours. I very much appreciate the President expressing his condolences to the families of the dead, in a personal manner and without finger pointing. He has his priorities straight, I can see the pain on his face, and the terrible cognizance that he can't fix this on his own. He is the President we need now.
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Fauci:"They talk about how badly you can hurt the economy before it doesn’t ever come back. I don’t believe them."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp)
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Fauci:"They talk about how badly you can hurt the economy before it doesn’t ever come back. I don’t believe them."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp)
Fauci has a phD in Economics too? I'm impressed. /s
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Will big tobacco save the day? This is going to make some anti-GMO heads explode:
British American Tobacco Working on COVID-19 Vaccine Using Tobacco Leaves
By Reuters
April 1, 2020, 5:21 a.m. ET
(Reuters) - British American Tobacco, the maker of Dunhill and Lucky Strike cigarettes, said on Wednesday its U.S. biotech unit was working on a potential vaccine for COVID-19 using proteins extracted from tobacco leaves.
Kentucky BioProcessing (KBP), the unit developing the vaccine, could produce between 1 million and 3 million doses per week starting in June, the company said, with support from government agencies and the right manufacturers.
British American Tobacco said KBP, a division of BAT's U.S. unit Reynolds American Inc, would develop the vaccine on a not-for-profit basis.
The vaccine, currently undergoing pre-clinical testing, uses a cloned portion of COVID-19's genetic sequence to create an antigen that is then inserted into tobacco plants for reproduction.
More: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/01/world/europe/01reuters-britishamericantobacco-vaccine.html (https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/01/world/europe/01reuters-britishamericantobacco-vaccine.html)
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Fauci:"They talk about how badly you can hurt the economy before it doesn’t ever come back. I don’t believe them."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-dishes-on-trump-calls-for-much-longer-travel-restrictions/ar-BB11YZGm?ocid=spartanntp)
He sounds like those who originally called this ‘a flu bug’.
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Just a pic.
1918:
"Wear a mask or go to jail"
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245389585330458626
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Congress must pass the old, and very strongly proven, deductibility by businesses on restaurants and entertainment. This will bring restaurants, and everything related, back - and stronger than ever. Move quickly, they will all be saved!
11:36 AM · Apr 1, 2020
Here I thought all the dying people were keeping people out of restaurants and theaters. Turns out they just need a business deduction.
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The estimate by Epstein above needs at least one more zero. His 5,000 estimate will be met in a couple days. The number of deaths is increasing daily in the USA. We have not reached the peak as yet.
I suspect they will keep the country shut down past the present projection of April 30.
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https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf
This chart shows NYC deaths by age group, borough and - significantly - whether the deceased had a preexisting condition. Spoiler alert: 98.25% of the deceased had underlying illnesses, e.g., diabetes, cancer, lung disease, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.
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https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf
This chart shows NYC deaths by age group, borough and - significantly - whether the deceased had a preexisting condition. Spoiler alert: 98.25% of the deceased had underlying illnesses, e.g., diabetes, cancer, lung disease, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.
And what percentage of the population over 45 has an underlying condition? 50%?
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https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf
This chart shows NYC deaths by age group, borough and - significantly - whether the deceased had a preexisting condition. Spoiler alert: 98.25% of the deceased had underlying illnesses, e.g., diabetes, cancer, lung disease, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.
Yep ... because of my health, I'm scared into bunkering in at home. Now that DeSantis has given a directive to limit ourselves to only essential travel definitely not going out.
One thing I forgot to stock up on is Milkbones for our dog. I think he can do with out. We have dog food and he has other kinds of treats.
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And what percentage of the population over 45 has an underlying condition? 50%?
I have no idea.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-npuhZyYI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-npuhZyYI#)
Fox Business Live now
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I suspect they will keep the country shut down past the present projection of April 30.
Noncompliance is going to skyrocket if that happens. We're three weeks into the mandates and lockdowns. If we don't see substantial declines in new cases SOON, as in, in the next few days, this is all pointless. People agreed to this on the premise that this would be done with in a little over a month. Any further without visible progress is going to risk a major revolt.
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Will big tobacco save the day? This is going to make some anti-GMO heads explode:
Maybe. Right after Maryland had bought out tobacco farmers (to not grow tobacco, once used for money there), the medical folks were growing all sorts of twisted plants to get tailored proteins.
(Of course, one of the big thingys against the genus Nicotina was that it had absolutely no medicinal use, but, there they were...)
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He sounds like those who originally called this ‘a flu bug’.
I recall comparisons to the flu, but I don't recall anyone here saying it was a flu variety.
I suppose it could have been compared to Cholera, typhus, or Ebola, but the comparison was made to another group of respiratory pathogens.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1245389585330458626
Here I thought all the dying people were keeping people out of restaurants and theaters. Turns out they just need a business deduction.
Actually, government is shutting down bars and restaurants. People likely would go anyway.
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Yep ... because of my health, I'm scared into bunkering in at home. Now that DeSantis has given a directive to limit ourselves to only essential travel definitely not going out.
One thing I forgot to stock up on is Milkbones for our dog. I think he can do with out. We have dog food and he has other kinds of treats.
In your case, it seems downright prudent to avoid contact, at least until either a cure/treatment that won't adversely affect you or a vaccine is developed.
(My dog likes popcorn...will play catch for hours if you have enough. Entertainment as well as a little exercise. jus' sayin.)
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Actually, government is shutting down bars and restaurants. People likely would go anyway.
@Smokin Joe
Fair point. State Governors, like mine, have decided to declare state emergencies because of the virus, and limited gatherings to 10 people. I'll concede some people would go out otherwise, and some businesses would remain open. My Governor will have to live with his decision.
https://www.wispolitics.com/2020/marquette-poll-evers-gets-high-marks-for-coronavirus-response-biden-leads-sanders-in-wisconsin/
Today’s release included a focus on the coronavirus pandemic, finding 76 percent of voters approve of how Evers has handled the situation, while just 17 percent disapproved.
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I've had the flu for over a month. If I add corona it will probably kill me. That stimulus check might cover the cost of cremation.
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And Fair Warning. I don't want to die with people thinking I am an azzhole. I want them to be 100% sure.
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And Fair Warning. I don't want to die with people thinking I am an azzhole. I want them to be 100% sure.
The ornery are hard to kill... They tend to out live every one else...
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I've had the flu for over a month. If I add corona it will probably kill me. That stimulus check might cover the cost of cremation.
How are you breathing, @bigheadfred?
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I've had the flu for over a month. If I add corona it will probably kill me. That stimulus check might cover the cost of cremation.
Just start building a nice wood pile with scrap lumber...
In the meantime, Out with the bad air, in with the good...
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-npuhZyYI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-npuhZyYI#)
Fox Business Live now
Another really encouraging conference for almost 2 hours.
My favorite part was when he was asked why the Federal Government wasn't imposing quarantines in states that were not enforcing quarantine, and President Trump said "We are here to help the States." It blew my mind because it sounded almost Constitutional.
The Constitution is the supreme law of the United States of America. Not a lot of people know that, but it's true.
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How are you breathing, @bigheadfred?
Depends on my angle of repose. I got a generic behind the counter ephedrine. If I take a tablet and lay down to sleep I do ok.
What I need is an 8 ball of good clean meth.
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What I need is an 8 ball of good clean meth.
If you didn't watch today's press conference, I have some bad news.
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@goatprairie
I remember the conversation about "Patient X" from last week, I think that was in the "Wet Markets" thread but I am going to post this here, "Patient X" maybe Huang Yin Lang (or something, I could not find a reference to this on a quick net search), the video below discusses it.
This video should be called somewhat "speculative", the narrator says he lifted some of the Chinese information off of the internet. But just adding it in. I forget who the other member who was discussing this.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU#)
The video is only around 10 minutes. It's a fair enough video.
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Depends on my angle of repose. I got a generic behind the counter ephedrine. If I take a tablet and lay down to sleep I do ok.
What I need is an 8 ball of good clean meth.
If you're interested, I have a simple recipe using Vicks nasal inhalers.
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President Trump: "You remember when I first took over they had all of the caravans coming up with 10,000, 15,000 people in the caravans. They were marching through Mexico. That's not happening anymore."
Great job protecting those illegals from America Mr President. :patriot:
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If you're interested, I have a simple recipe using Vicks nasal inhalers.
I'm good. One 25 mg ephedrine is all my BP can handle.
Annnddd....I have my meth dealer...thats right, you guessed it...on speed dial...
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One thing I forgot to stock up on is Milkbones for our dog. I think he can do with out. We have dog food and he has other kinds of treats.
Oh Lord, but I would have a rebellion on my hands. I got into the habit of giving Chewy a milkbone morning and night.. In the morning, when he comes in from his first time out for the day, and in the night, when he comes in for the last time... The idea being that he knows it's coming (and he does), so he'll hurry up his business and not lollygag (and he does).
If he don't get his milkbones... I dunno what but it won't be good... chewed up shoes... poopin on my pillow... something. He can be very vindictive... and the thing about cow dogs... They'll think it through. it is deliberate.
Nope. I keep an extra case around.
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Does anyone know what CRISPR is?? Of all things, I stumbled on this article. You know, one would need to be involved in this scientific field I believe.:
Covid-19 is scary. Could a rogue scientist use CRISPR to conjure another pandemic?
By Neal Baer March 26, 2020
ncertainty breeds panic. As Covid-19 spreads across the planet, stock markets have crashed in response to the economic impact this virus will wreak on the global economy and cities around the world are shutting down.
We shouldn’t really be surprised by SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus. We’ve seen this scenario play out before with Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). In his book “Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic,†David Quammen warned us years ago about the dangers of animal viruses jumping into humans. It was only a matter of time, he wrote, that our destruction of forests and jungles would put us in contact with bats and other wild species that harbor viruses that had previously gone undetected.
Covid-19 is a powerful narrative. It has twists and turns, with exotic animals like horseshoe bats and scaly pangolins playing the antagonists as the source of the infection. Our fears are piqued by how much is still unknown — about the best we’re told we can do to protect ourselves is to stay away from people and wash our hands frequently, which seems, in this high-tech era, far too mundane for something that has essentially shut down the U.S. and other countries.
Read more at: https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/could-rogue-scientist-use-crispr-create-pandemic/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/could-rogue-scientist-use-crispr-create-pandemic/)
We've heard about biological weapons but nothing in that has really occurred in recent decades in my view with biological weapons, nothing of significance that is.
A ways down, the article talks about what if some terror group developed something and then, yeah, the bad guys spoken of are white supremacists. Maybe that's just an example but it put me off the article some...
But that said, there's a chance COVID-19 came out of a lab but I don't think that is likely but the next time around, you know, someone could develop something that might be frightful.
The article is largely beyond my pay-scale... or probably more correctly, I don't care to read and get it all down, of which they speak but it might be interesting to some.
One more note, if you research CRISPR , a whole lot of stuff comes up. Some here probably have heard of it.
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HA! speed dial... You crack me up Fred.
:laugh: :beer:
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In your case, it seems downright prudent to avoid contact, at least until either a cure/treatment that won't adversely affect you or a accine is developed.
(My dog likes popcorn...will play catch for hours if you have enough. Entertainment as well as a little exercise. jus' sayin.)
I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks. I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions? I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects. I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year. Rather depressing if I stop and think about it. I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?
My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!
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Oh Lord, but I would have a rebellion on my hands. I got into the habit of giving Chewy a milkbone morning and night.. In the morning, when he comes in from his first time out for the day, and in the night, when he comes in for the last time... The idea being that he knows it's coming (and he does), so he'll hurry up his business and not lollygag (and he does).
If he don't get his milkbones... I dunno what but it won't be good... chewed up shoes... poopin on my pillow... something. He can be very vindictive... and the thing about cow dogs... They'll think it through. it is deliberate.
Nope. I keep an extra case around.
:rolling:
Geronimo just follows and whines until he gets his way ... and if we forget and go out in the yard or garage ... he retaliates by being a garbage dog...shredded paper means he's royally ticked!
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I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks. I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions? I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects. I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year. Rather depressing if I stop and think about it. I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?
My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!
This, too shall pass.
I've found that a couple of rounds of "Who's a good dawg? WHO'S a GOOD Dawg?? Who??? YOU!!!!! You're the GOOD DAWG!!!!" ... can substitute for a Milk Bone treat.
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I think twitter is having another sewagefest... Democrat manipulation, I saw this and for the record, this "Carmine Sabela" appears to be a good guy, this is a useful graphic below:
Carmine Sabia@CarmineSabia
As you tweet #TrumpOwnsEveryDeath, because you are abhorrent, read what your heroes were saying when President Donald Trump was taking action..
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https://twitter.com/CarmineSabia/status/1245494736489676803
Democrats, Leftists, just trolling, they troll wherever, maybe our side does it too... I'm sure some.... I read something by Scott Walker, Rubio, often trolling remarks are left. I usually don't read comments and usually blow off topics like the above. Just sourcing.
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@TomSea
CRISPR is the main idea behind GMOs.
So the reason behind the hue and cry against GMOs. Take a gene from a fish and put it in a strawberry.
Frankenberry.
They did this ten years ago.
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I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks. I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions? I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects. I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year. Rather depressing if I stop and think about it. I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?
My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!
Mine gets treats when he behaves especially well. No set time. It helps.
Plaquenil may not work for everyone, but here is the thing. If this can be shut down, through isolation, through people recovering (possible serum antibodies), or simply petering out (past contagion with no new hosts, the purpose of isolation), it'll be 99.99% safe to come out again.
Yes, the drug has a long list of side effects (as do many drugs), but they don't occur in everyone. As it has been used in areas where cultural factors may make the accumulation of good data sets problematical (think of malaria infested areas), there isn't any solid info on how often what side effects occur, but there is information on drug interactions which may preclude its use anyway for some individuals.
That said, it is a tool in the toolbox, and the more, the better chance of shutting down the virus with more survivors. Since this is global, I don't really anticipate letups in travel restrictions out of country (or in) for a while, but if we can get rid of it here, or even regionally, maybe we can get the economy going again. There may be other drugs which will boost the zinc through the cell membrane to interdict the virus which are a mite easier on folks, too.
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I said this on the poll thread.
If this virus came from an animal in a wet market then show me "the" animal.
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I've already been shut in for the most part for 3 weeks. I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel on this -- who knows when the vaccine will become available and even at that -- will the vaccine be effective for those with underlying conditions? I am doubtful that there will be a cure and treatments that they have now do have adverse affects. I foresee that we'll be shut in for at least a year. Rather depressing if I stop and think about it. I'm only 62 -- four walls now is our life?
My dog Geronimo, loves popcorn, but if he doesn't get his Milkbone at noon he is a royal PITA!
Order from www.chewy.com (http://www.chewy.com) they deliver fast and are reasonable.
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:rolling:
Geronimo just follows and whines until he gets his way ... and if we forget and go out in the yard or garage ... he retaliates by being a garbage dog...shredded paper means he's royally ticked!
He has a future in office disposal! :seeya:
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Read somewhere today that states like New York aren't differentiating between people who died because of the Chinese Virus and those that tested positive but died from other ailments.
THIS is why people rightfully don't trust the numbers and the comparisons to 9/11 and the panic inducing "potential for 200K deaths" that even Fox News is running with now.
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Read somewhere today that states like New York aren't differentiating between people who died because of the Chinese Virus and those that tested positive but died from other ailments.
THIS is why people rightfully don't trust the numbers and the comparisons to 9/11 and the panic inducing "potential for 200K deaths" that even Fox News is running with now.
I'm guessing that things are so overwhelming in NYC that they don't know which end is up. And I'm not sure that dying from a complication caused by a comorbidity along with COVID 19 is all that different from dying from the virus alone.
And since we haven't even gotten to the surge yet, and every doctor and nurse in the country is begging us to stay home, that whatever the number ends up being, it's going to be way too high....
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He has a future in office disposal! :seeya:
:rolling:
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I'm guessing that things are so overwhelming in NYC that they don't know which end is up. And I'm not sure that dying from a complication caused by a comorbidity along with COVID 19 is all that different from dying from the virus alone.
No they are doing what Italy did and amping all deaths into the "died from Chinese Virus" category whether it was a heart attack or COPD or whatever that killed them.
Let's say you have the virus..you're asymptomatic and yet you get hit by a bus crossing the street. Should your death be lumped into the "death by coronavirus" stats for that day/month/year?
That is what's happening in NY right now.
And since we haven't even gotten to the surge yet, and every doctor and nurse in the country is begging us to stay home, that whatever the number ends up being, it's going to be way too high....
No it's not. You seriously need to quit buying into the media/Progressive panic hype being spread these days.
How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?
Will you come back and admit you bought into the hype?
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I'm guessing that things are so overwhelming in NYC that they don't know which end is up. And I'm not sure that dying from a complication caused by a comorbidity along with COVID 19 is all that different from dying from the virus alone.
And since we haven't even gotten to the surge yet, and every doctor and nurse in the country is begging us to stay home, that whatever the number ends up being, it's going to be way too high....
Indeed. My husband went to the doctors yesterday and the doctor told him to stay home and don't risk going out. My appointment was cancelled until next month and I have a phone appointment next week. My other doctor's office has been closed for the past two weeks -- not even a phone call returned. So...things are very serious. Obviously hospitals, doctors and nurses are gearing up for this surge. It is frightening. God forbid if anyone needs care -- that care just isn't available as you don't chance going out and many doctors aren't seeing their patients. We don't know in this area how many are truly infected -- results are taking over 2 weeks. So I suspect that the number of cases in FL are much higher.
Stay put and stay safe everyone. Prayers up for all Briefers and their families, our President and this country in general. God help us!
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No they are doing what Italy did and amping all deaths into the "died from Chinese Virus" category whether it was a heart attack or COPD or whatever that killed them.
Let's say you have the virus..you're asymptomatic and yet you get hit by a bus crossing the street. Should your death be lumped into the "death by coronavirus" stats for that day/month/year?
That is what's happening in NY right now.
No it's not. You seriously need to quit buying into the media/Progressive panic hype being spread these days.
How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?
Will you come back and admit you bought into the hype?
How is that comparing apples to apples?
Nothing was done prevent H1N1 from spreading.
A lot has been done to slow/prevent this from spreading.
If nothing was done to slow/prevent this from spreading you have a valid comparison.
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A lot has been done to slow/prevent this from spreading.
Not really. quasi-quarantine is not really quarantine. As can readily be shown in the city centers where this thing is exploding. At the personal level it may help - if housebound with adequate supply, you are basically not exposed. But that is not true in the aggregate. All of this is basically useless.
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How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?
Very silly, but I will be in good company with the President, VP, the experts, Congress, the Governors, and the media.
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How is that comparing apples to apples?
Nothing was done prevent H1N1 from spreading.
A lot has been done to slow/prevent this from spreading.
If nothing was done to slow/prevent this from spreading you have a valid comparison.
There were actions taken once big ears got off his fat ass to mobilize people...four months too late.
H1N was the last pandemic to hit the U.S. The comparison I’m making between the two that makes it an apples to apples comparison is twofold. 1) the number of people infected and number of actual deaths in the U.S. and how the country reacted.
We haven’t had close to the amount of deaths from this compared to what happened 11 years ago.
And 11 years ago we didn’t shut the entire nation down for a worse disease outbreak than what we are seeing now. We as a county have willing gone like lamb at the slaughter as the federal government slowly isolates is from each other and the rest of the world and despotic Liberal state governments gleefully infringe on civil liberties and freedoms.
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Very silly, but I will be in good company with the President, VP, the experts, Congress, the Governors, and the media.
Trump is going along with the hype because it gives him cover. He's applying the Rahm Emanuel theory of "never letting a crisis go to waste" in regards to the Chinese Corona Virus. It gives him and the Republicans cover to spend like Reagan's proverbial "Drunken Sailors".
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Not really. quasi-quarantine is not really quarantine. As can readily be shown in the city centers where this thing is exploding. At the personal level it may help - if housebound with adequate supply, you are basically not exposed. But that is not true in the aggregate. All of this is basically useless.
Bingo!
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Trump is going along with the hype because it gives him cover. He's applying the Rahm Emanuel theory of "never letting a crisis go to waste" in regards to the Chinese Corona Virus. It gives him and the Republicans cover to spend like Reagan's proverbial "Drunken Sailors".
He hasn't needed cover for the last 3.5 years.
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He hasn't needed cover for the last 3.5 years.
The way he’s run up debt and deficit prior to this will look fiscally responsible by the time Republicans get done with all their “stimulus†bills.
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The way he’s run up debt and deficit prior to this will look fiscally responsible by the time Republicans get done with all their “stimulus†bills.
Not to me. Spending during an emergency seems responsible to me.
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Not to me. Spending during an emergency seems responsible to me.
The spending is unnecessary.
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It had better be time to start posting articles from Newsbusters.org and other sources, as they try to blame this on the Prez. In the end, though, of course, I want the truth, however it falls.
CBS: Trump 'Acted too Late,' Left Us 'Unprepared,' and 'Costing Lives'
Nicholas C. Fondacaro is a News Analyst for the Media Research Center
Despite the fact President Trump banned flights from China from entering the U.S. back in January (a move praised by Dr. Anthony Fauci as crucial to the fight against the coronavirus), the CBS Evening News and White House correspondent Weijia Jiang spent a portion of Wednesday’s program pushing suggestions the administration had acted too slowly and it was costing American lives.
The assault against the President was vicious. “That change in policy comes amid criticism of the administration by governors nationwide over a lack of desperately needed medical supplies,†anchor Norah O’Donnell declared. Playing off of O’Donnell, Jiang discounted reassurances from the President that the supplies were on the way. “He says the country is preparing for the worst as questions continue to mount over whether he acted too late,†she chided.
Jiang also knocked Vice President Mike Pence for having reminded people that early CDC projections showed America with a low risk of a widespread outbreak. Now, they latch onto projections that show 100-240,000 Americans possibly dying. She followed up by touting liberal governors who were looking to China and praising the communists:
Read more at: https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/04/01/cbs-trump-acted-too-late-left-us-unprepared-and-costing-lives (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/04/01/cbs-trump-acted-too-late-left-us-unprepared-and-costing-lives)
Looks like we or at least, some of us may have to defend all of this.
This is more analysis, not sure if this is a straightup editorial, gray area.
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The spending is unnecessary.
I understand you think there is a deep state conspiracy of the President, the unanimous Congress, the state Governors, our American intelligence institutions, and the media to destroy America. I won't be able to talk you out of it, but I do miss the old days when I could forget everything and just unconditionally hate on President Trump. When we hit the first 100k could you please use this avatar?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETmLhk8XYAAX4ih.jpg)
Perhaps I could re-live that purity of anger vicariously through you.
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Bingo!
You can buy em books... They won't hear you.
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I understand you think there is a deep state conspiracy of the President, the unanimous Congress, the state Governors, our American intelligence institutions, and the media to destroy America. I won't be able to talk you out of it, but I do miss the old days when I could forget everything and just unconditionally hate on President Trump. When we hit the first 100k could you please use this avatar?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETmLhk8XYAAX4ih.jpg)
Perhaps I could re-live that purity of anger vicariously through you.
None of the above actually. I’m just explaining the reality of the situation and the unhealthy (for the country) nature of politics and politicians.
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Not really. quasi-quarantine is not really quarantine. As can readily be shown in the city centers where this thing is exploding. At the personal level it may help - if housebound with adequate supply, you are basically not exposed. But that is not true in the aggregate. All of this is basically useless.
It is "exploding" because there's a 1 to 2 week delay from exposure to symptoms. New York locked down about 11 days ago. But you already know this.
Having millions get sick at nearly the same time would be a disaster for our hospitals. It would also be a disaster for everyone else that needs emergency care for any number of other medical conditions that occur in that same time window. You also already know this too.
We both know that it is likely most people will end up getting this. Either over a short period of time or spread out over more time. More people live with it spread over more time. More people go bankrupt spreading it over more time. Somewhere there's a balance in there. I don't claim to know where that balance is.
There is no magic solution that will stop the destruction. Hopefully we will find the path that keeps it nearer the lower bounds.
We're going to have to wait to see what actually happens to know if the choices made were prudent or not. Especially when compared to the outcomes of other countries that make different choices.
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It is "exploding" because there's a 1 to 2 week delay from exposure to symptoms. New York locked down about 11 days ago. But you already know this.
Well, sorta... There is up to 2 weeks (and maybe even more). Symptoms can show up in as little as three to five days. But your point is taken - the 'carrier' phase is the problem, even as it is in every virus.
Having millions get sick at nearly the same time would be a disaster for our hospitals. It would also be a disaster for everyone else that needs emergency care for any number of other medical conditions that occur in that same time window. You also already know this too.
Right... As is happening even now in every hot spot. So where's the 'flattening'? And again, this is a logistics argument, not a medical one, and one would have been better to rely on logistics experts rather than the health system. As I have said before, the lockdown has created the static assets and the empty pipeline for resources in all areas.
We both know that it is likely most people will end up getting this. Either over a short period of time or spread out over more time. More people live with it spread over more time. More people go bankrupt spreading it over more time. Somewhere there's a balance in there. I don't claim to know where that balance is.
A false dilemma created by turning off the spigots. Causing mass bankruptcy was never necessary and is in fact counterproductive, with little to show for it - health systems in hotspots are overwhelmed anyway. in but days. So it has done nothing.
There is no magic solution that will stop the destruction. Hopefully we will find the path that keeps it nearer the lower bounds.
There WAS a magic bullet - Relying on superior medical systems and a matchless logistical capability. but instead, we shut all that off, just like every other idiot government on the planet. FEAR.
We're going to have to wait to see what actually happens to know if the choices made were prudent or not. Especially when compared to the outcomes of other countries that make different choices.
No, there will be nothing different to compare to, and what could have been cannot be known. But the outcome it would have had can be assessed.
In the mean time, all the fear-mongers and scare-mongers are adjusting the expectations downward, so that in the end, they are somewhere close to what it was all the way along. Just like what happens in polling.
Suckers. Chicken friggin Little.
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It is "exploding" because there's a 1 to 2 week delay from exposure to symptoms. New York locked down about 11 days ago. But you already know this.
Having millions get sick at nearly the same time would be a disaster for our hospitals. It would also be a disaster for everyone else that needs emergency care for any number of other medical conditions that occur in that same time window. You also already know this too.
We both know that it is likely most people will end up getting this. Either over a short period of time or spread out over more time. More people live with it spread over more time. More people go bankrupt spreading it over more time. Somewhere there's a balance in there. I don't claim to know where that balance is.
There is no magic solution that will stop the destruction. Hopefully we will find the path that keeps it nearer the lower bounds.
We're going to have to wait to see what actually happens to know if the choices made were prudent or not. Especially when compared to the outcomes of other countries that make different choices.
YOU'RE SPREADING PANIC!!! YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!! :3:
Just kidding. Agreed and good post @DB
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Read somewhere today that states like New York aren't differentiating between people who died because of the Chinese Virus and those that tested positive but died from other ailments.
THIS is why people rightfully don't trust the numbers and the comparisons to 9/11 and the panic inducing "potential for 200K deaths" that even Fox News is running with now.
For starters, 9/11 was a one-off, one time, one day event. It wasn't contagious although people suffered injuries from recovery and rescue efforts that still cost those who responded their health and vigour, and have cost many their lives well after the event.
A disease is something different.
(Notice, AIDS isn't compared to 9/11.)
This virus is only partly contracted through behaviour, that behaviour encouraged by some of the experts where the virus is now worst.
It's apples to oranges, though to compare 9/11 to COVID-19.
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For starters, 9/11 was a one-off, one time, one day event. It wasn't contagious although people suffered injuries from recovery and rescue efforts that still cost those who responded their health and vigour, and have cost many their lives well after the event.
A disease is something different.
(Notice, AIDS isn't compared to 9/11.)
This virus is only partly contracted through behaviour, that behaviour encouraged by some of the experts where the virus is now worst.
It's apples to oranges, though to compare 9/11 to COVID-19.
I looks to me like we will be losing a 9/11 daily, in just a few more day to a week.
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I looks to me like we will be losing a 9/11 daily, in just a few more day to a week.
Maybe we can collapse some tall buildings, knock down walls at the Pentagon, and make craters in Pennsylvania with COVID-19, too?
Funny, how with all the shit I was given for comparing this bug with other causes of death, it's okay for other people to trot out 9/11, but then maybe this is an act of international terrorism, too.
Or is it that the media (and assorted detractors) are trying to associate the horror we all felt at the acts of international terrorists in 2001 with a president who didn't have anything to do with either event, except to use the power of his office to try to slow this one down?
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Maybe we can collapse some tall buildings, knock down walls at the Pentagon, and make craters in Pennsylvania with COVID-19, too?
Funny, how with all the shit I was given for comparing this bug with other causes of death, it's okay for other people to trot out 9/11, but then maybe this is an act of international terrorism, too.
Or is it that the media (and assorted detractors) are trying to associate the horror we all felt at the acts of international terrorists in 2001 with a president who didn't have anything to do with either event, except to use the power of his office to try to slow this one down?
I'm so sorry this is happening to you @Smokin Joe .
The horror is 5,000 dead and 1,000 fatalities yesterday. I clearly don't give a crap about the money, or pointing fingers of blame. My comment is 9/11=3,000 horrific deaths, and we are trending toward 3,000 deaths a day. You need not read anything more into my comment.
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For starters, 9/11 was a one-off, one time, one day event. It wasn't contagious although people suffered injuries from recovery and rescue efforts that still cost those who responded their health and vigour, and have cost many their lives well after the event.
A disease is something different.
(Notice, AIDS isn't compared to 9/11.)
This virus is only partly contracted through behaviour, that behaviour encouraged by some of the experts where the virus is now worst.
It's apples to oranges, though to compare 9/11 to COVID-19.
QFT
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I'm so sorry this is happening to you @Smokin Joe .
The horror is 5,000 dead and 1,000 fatalities yesterday. I clearly don't give a crap about the money, or pointing fingers of blame. My comment is 9/11=3,000 horrific deaths, and we are trending toward 3,000 deaths a day. You need not read anything more into my comment.
So you’re admitting China used this disease as a bio terror weapon and as such a terrorist attack on the world?
Because that’s the only way a comparison to 9/11 is even relevant.
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So you’re admitting China used this disease as a bio terror weapon and as such a terrorist attack on the world?
Because that’s the only way a comparison to 9/11 is even relevant.
9/11=3,000 horrific deaths, and we are trending toward 3,000 deaths a day. You need not read anything more into my comment.
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9/11=3,000 horrific deaths, and we are trending toward 3,000 deaths a day. You need not read anything more into my comment.
Yes or no. Is this a terror attack by the Chinese on the rest of the world?
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Yes or no. Is this a terror attack by the Chinese on the rest of the world?
I don't know. It's a question worth asking when the dying subsides and Congress can reconvene. That would also be a good time to revisit who else besides China is to blame.
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9/11=3,000 horrific deaths, and we are trending toward 3,000 deaths a day. You need not read anything more into my comment.
Well, has it passed the 2362 abortions/day (Guttmacher Institute figure), but no one whinged about that, the real leading cause of death in the US. Hard to get much more horrific than shredded and chemically poisoned babies, but they do, they sell the parts. Anyway, that would be number one, ahead of Heart Disease and Cancer but those are ranked first and second because no one apparently counts dead babies.
The 2362 are pretty much preventable. But funding for that outfit (Planned murderhood Parenthood) is likely in either this or some succeeding stimulus package, even though the run was on toilet paper not condoms.
It is sad that any obviously intelligent person should lower themselves to passive aggressive bullshit to throw poo at the POTUS in hard times, but apparently, it happens.
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I don't know. It's a question worth asking when the dying subsides and Congress can reconvene. That would also be a good time to revisit who else besides China is to blame.
Here are my thinking processes on this thus far.
(1) There is a lot of anecdotal stuff out there that this was an engineered bio-weapon, some plausible, some tinfoil.
(2) No 100% irrefuable proof yet though of (1)
(3) The Chicoms through prior actions have established of pattern of where they can't be trusted, or ever should be.
(4) I think there is a near zero chance that they did it on purpose. No reason to unleash this on their own, citizens, the entire world, and not expect retribution from the rest of the world. Not even the arrogant Chicom leaders would want to risk a world tribunal that would in a sense would be a trial mass murder. Wild guess is that the probability of the likelyhood of this being an intentional bio-weapon is 10% at best
(5) OTOH, I'd also venture that there is a 40-50% chance that this is a bio-weapon that accidentaly breached containment. Coincidence that ground zero was near their bio-research center in Wuhan? Hmmmmmmm
(6) Lastly, and also at 40-50% chance is that this an Animal-Human transmission. There is widespread acceptance that the Chinese also intitiated the SARS epidemic via their taste for exotic cuisine. This shit has got to stop. It is just a matter of time that a disease with the communicability of COVID-19, and the lethality of Ebola is realized.
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No they are doing what Italy did and amping all deaths into the "died from Chinese Virus" category whether it was a heart attack or COPD or whatever that killed them.
Let's say you have the virus..you're asymptomatic and yet you get hit by a bus crossing the street. Should your death be lumped into the "death by coronavirus" stats for that day/month/year?
That is what's happening in NY right now.
No it's not. You seriously need to quit buying into the media/Progressive panic hype being spread these days.
How are you and a few others going to feel about your hand wringing "sky is falling" mindset when this tops out at less deaths in the U.S. than H1N1 or the amount of deaths we experience in just a normal flu season?
Will you come back and admit you bought into the hype?
I don't think the sky is falling, and I haven't even listened to the media hype.
I know that's an easy accusation to make when you feel the need to accuse rather than discuss, but it's not the truth. But I do understand why you feel the need to make it.
I have only discussed here, the reality...... the medical reality....... of what is happening. I am listening to enough people I know in the field of medicine (and I know a lot, personally), who happen to be political conservatives and trustworthy people to know that we are dealing with a different animal here, and that social distancing is required to slow down the spread and allow the hospitals to prepare for what's to come.
FYI, one of my sources is a politically conservative, US Navy doctor (just came back from 3 years stationed in Okinawa). He is a personal friend, who is an Orthopedic Surgeon, now manning a medical triage tent to determine if patients may have COVID-19
His words?? This is serious. PLEASE STAY HOME.
He's not an alarmist. He's not leftist media. He's not a Trump hater. He's not an emotional type.
But he IS medically educated beyond what he reads on the Internet...... which I'm guessing isn't the case with you.
So I will continue to believe, without any form of panic, the experts in the medical field, and not be swayed by people who don't really know what they're talking about.
Sorry about rejecting your insults, @txradioguy . But of all the many people I know personally without any leftist agenda, I will trust the experts and not you.
btw, if this turns out to be not as bad as the worst cases scenarios (which, of course, it will), it will be because so many Americans actually took the advice of the experts, stayed home and slowed the spread, saving them from a very nasty death.
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FDA gives okay to Roswell Park and UB to test COVID-19 treatment
https://www.wivb.com/health/coronavirus/fda-gives-okay-to-roswell-park-and-ub-to-test-covid-19-treatment/ (https://www.wivb.com/health/coronavirus/fda-gives-okay-to-roswell-park-and-ub-to-test-covid-19-treatment/)
"... a new treatment for patients diagnosed with COVID-19. This is part of a national study using the anti-inflammatory agent “sarilumab.â€"
(This is one I haven't heard about, and hasn't received as much attention as the chloroquine derivatives or remdesivir, so I'm not sure how effective this will be.)
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University of Pittsburgh reports successful COVID-19 vaccine trial
By ERIC POOLE Herald Assistant Editor | News 23 min ago
PITTSBURGH – Researchers at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine report initial success in animal trials for a vaccine to neutralize the virus that causes COVID-19.
During tests in mice, the vaccine was shown to produce antibodies specific to SARS-CoV-2, known as the novel coronavirus. University researchers said the mice responded with antibodies sufficient to neutralize the virus.
The researchers released their findings today in a paper published in EBioMedicine, published by The Lancet, a leading British medical journal.
The authors said they are now in the process of seeking investigatory new drug approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration with expectation of beginning human clinical trial within the next few months. ... More (https://www.meadvilletribune.com/coronavirus/university-of-pittsburgh-reports-successful-covid-19-vaccine-trial/article_d9120359-38f2-589e-b474-1bfec61682a9.html)
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University of Pittsburgh reports successful COVID-19 vaccine trial
By ERIC POOLE Herald Assistant Editor | News 23 min ago
PITTSBURGH – Researchers at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine report initial success in animal trials for a vaccine to neutralize the virus that causes COVID-19.
During tests in mice, the vaccine was shown to produce antibodies specific to SARS-CoV-2, known as the novel coronavirus. University researchers said the mice responded with antibodies sufficient to neutralize the virus.
The researchers released their findings today in a paper published in EBioMedicine, published by The Lancet, a leading British medical journal.
The authors said they are now in the process of seeking investigatory new drug approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration with expectation of beginning human clinical trial within the next few months. ... More (https://www.meadvilletribune.com/coronavirus/university-of-pittsburgh-reports-successful-covid-19-vaccine-trial/article_d9120359-38f2-589e-b474-1bfec61682a9.html)
Praise the Lord for American ingenuity and medical initiative. This is very good news! Hopefully the FDA, with some heavy-duty prodding by the Trump administration, will cut the bureaucracy and get this moving.
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FDA gives okay to Roswell Park and UB to test COVID-19 treatment
https://www.wivb.com/health/coronavirus/fda-gives-okay-to-roswell-park-and-ub-to-test-covid-19-treatment/ (https://www.wivb.com/health/coronavirus/fda-gives-okay-to-roswell-park-and-ub-to-test-covid-19-treatment/)
"... a new treatment for patients diagnosed with COVID-19. This is part of a national study using the anti-inflammatory agent “sarilumab.â€"
(This is one I haven't heard about, and hasn't received as much attention as the chloroquine derivatives or remdesivir, so I'm not sure how effective this will be.)
It is my understanding that the virus turns the immune system in the body against itself that is why the drug for AIDS is being tested and used; it also causes inflammation in the lungs which is why this drug is being considered. Most viruses and diseases that we contract cause some sort of inflammation in the body.
Sarilumab is a human monoclonal antibody against the interleukin-6 receptor. Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and Sanofi developed the drug for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, for which it received US FDA approval on 22 May 2017
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I don't think the sky is falling, and I haven't even listened to the media hype.
I know that's an easy accusation to make when you feel the need to accuse rather than discuss, but it's not the truth. But I do understand why you feel the need to make it.
I have only discussed here, the reality...... the medical reality....... of what is happening. I am listening to enough people I know in the field of medicine (and I know a lot, personally), who happen to be political conservatives and trustworthy people to know that we are dealing with a different animal here, and that social distancing is required to slow down the spread and allow the hospitals to prepare for what's to come.
FYI, one of my sources is a politically conservative, US Navy doctor (just came back from 3 years stationed in Okinawa). He is a personal friend, who is an Orthopedic Surgeon, now manning a medical triage tent to determine if patients may have COVID-19
His words?? This is serious. PLEASE STAY HOME.
He's not an alarmist. He's not leftist media. He's not a Trump hater. He's not an emotional type.
But he IS medically educated beyond what he reads on the Internet...... which I'm guessing isn't the case with you.
So I will continue to believe, without any form of panic, the experts in the medical field, and not be swayed by people who don't really know what they're talking about.
Sorry about rejecting your insults, @txradioguy . But of all the many people I know personally without any leftist agenda, I will trust the experts and not you.
btw, if this turns out to be not as bad as the worst cases scenarios (which, of course, it will), it will be because so many Americans actually took the advice of the experts, stayed home and slowed the spread, saving them from a very nasty death.
If this is so bad and is gone kill so many people..why don't we do this same kind of nation wide panic attack for the Flu?
Why wasn't there this kind of forced incarnation in our own homes in 2009? (H1N1)
There's a purposeful crowd psychology going on here to cause people to act like they are right now.
And it's really sad to see otherwise intelligent and logical people falling for it.
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I don't think the sky is falling, and I haven't even listened to the media hype.
I know that's an easy accusation to make when you feel the need to accuse rather than discuss, but it's not the truth. But I do understand why you feel the need to make it.
I have only discussed here, the reality...... the medical reality....... of what is happening. I am listening to enough people I know in the field of medicine (and I know a lot, personally), who happen to be political conservatives and trustworthy people to know that we are dealing with a different animal here, and that social distancing is required to slow down the spread and allow the hospitals to prepare for what's to come.
FYI, one of my sources is a politically conservative, US Navy doctor (just came back from 3 years stationed in Okinawa). He is a personal friend, who is an Orthopedic Surgeon, now manning a medical triage tent to determine if patients may have COVID-19
His words?? This is serious. PLEASE STAY HOME.
He's not an alarmist. He's not leftist media. He's not a Trump hater. He's not an emotional type.
But he IS medically educated beyond what he reads on the Internet...... which I'm guessing isn't the case with you.
So I will continue to believe, without any form of panic, the experts in the medical field, and not be swayed by people who don't really know what they're talking about.
Sorry about rejecting your insults, @txradioguy . But of all the many people I know personally without any leftist agenda, I will trust the experts and not you.
btw, if this turns out to be not as bad as the worst cases scenarios (which, of course, it will), it will be because so many Americans actually took the advice of the experts, stayed home and slowed the spread, saving them from a very nasty death.
Doctors in this area are gearing up and most are only seeing patients that present with emergency health issues; otherwise they are cancelling appointments. There should be absolutely no question that the fatality rate in those over 60 is higher and even higher if they have underlying conditions. There is just no disputing that. My husband's doctor told him to stay home. He's heeding his words. I also have used this doctor as well and I have nothing but high praise for him -- if he says to stay home; I'm staying put.
As for what has caused this viral spread in the U.S. and the intent of this spread, is indeed questionable and very concerning - just my opinion.
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Doctors in this area are gearing up and most are only seeing patients that present with emergency health issues; otherwise they are cancelling appointments. There should be absolutely no question that the fatality rate in those over 60 is higher and even higher if they have underlying conditions. There is just no disputing that. My husband's doctor told him to stay home. He's heeding his words. I also have used this doctor as well and I have nothing but high praise for him -- if he says to stay home; I'm staying put.
As for what has caused this viral spread in the U.S. and the intent of this spread, is indeed questionable and very concerning - just my opinion.
If this is such a national natural disaster why are there stories in the papers in the last few days talking about healthcare workers being laid off across the country?
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If this is so bad and is gone kill so many people..why don't we do this same kind of nation wide panic attack for the Flu?
Why wasn't there this kind of forced incarnation in our own homes in 2009? (H1N1)
There's a purposeful crowd psychology going on here to cause people to act like they are right now.
And it's really sad to see otherwise intelligent and logical people falling for it.
Otherwise intelligent and logical?? LOL! :silly:
Logical thoughts........ perhaps the reason that H1N1 didn't cause a stir was because the hapless, useless, dangerous Barack Obama was in the WH. Perhaps if we had some leadership in the WH then, the numbers of deaths from H1N1 would have been far lower. Perhaps the voices saying it was serious then were drowned out by the protective leftist media? Perhaps??
It's clear you didn't read the words I said, giving credence to the self-isolation and the very real need to slow the spread to give our hospitals time and researchers time to develop treatments and a vaccine (which is being done right now). It's clear you prefer your conspiracy theory to the advice of thousands of medical/healthcare experts who have clearly articulated that this is a different kind of virus from the flu...
I don't.
And if you've read any of my posts on any other subject, you will KNOW that I am not susceptible to any form of groupthink, nor sway from the media. I'm not just usually intelligent and logical. I'm being intelligent and logical now.
So cut the personal insults and stick to the subject.
Stay well, my friend.
This is real.
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If this is so bad and is gone kill so many people..why don't we do this same kind of nation wide panic attack for the Flu?
Why wasn't there this kind of forced incarnation in our own homes in 2009? (H1N1)
There's a purposeful crowd psychology going on here to cause people to act like they are right now.
And it's really sad to see otherwise intelligent and logical people falling for it.
This isn't the flu. This is more contagious, spreads far more rapidly, and the mortality rate for those that become infected is higher. In my county, we have reached 245 cases with 10 deaths. That's a 4% mortality rate v. 2% for the flu.
Not everyone who gets the flu needs to be hospitalized; I am only looking at hospitalization rates for COVID-19 in my county and the rate of hospitalization is 20%. The duration for those that recover from this virus is a month to 45 days; much longer than the flu.
In addition to these numbers the concern is having the hospital beds, ventilators, medicine, and other medical equipment necessary to assist those needing treatment as the numbers of cases and hospitalizations increases. Added to that, there isn't the trained medical personnel needed. There's been a shortage of doctors and nurses for years. Doctors trained in pulmonology, endocrinology and cardiology are especially needed and properly trained respiratory therapists. You can increase production on medical supplies, but there is no way to increase production of medical doctors, specialists and medical personnel.
The severity of the virus is real. The severity of the "intent" of this virus is real and concerning.
Equally concerning is I also see and agree that there could be a purposeful crowd psychology going on here to cause people to act like they are right now; when we in FL are told to stay home, yet they are letting in 200+ foreigners who will be getting medical care that they need, something is up. When we still have open borders and Mexico's cases are rising, something is up. IF they begin to start treating the Hispanics from various different populations coming across our borders and we are made to stay home -- something is drastically wrong. RESIST!
Meanwhile trillions will be spent on infrastructure-- possibly now they will build that superhighway connecting Mexico, the U.S. and Canada ... meanwhile we are told to stay at home. Are they going to use American labor?? Governor DeSanis even stated, now would be a perfect time to repairs roads and bridges while everyone is off the roads. Americans, that is.
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If this is such a national natural disaster why are there stories in the papers in the last few days talking about healthcare workers being laid off across the country?
You read the article. Because all the elective treatments have been postponed to keep people out of the hospitals that don't need to be there right now. So all the doctors and nurses that have specialties in specific areas that are not related to this virus fight have no paying patients.
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You read the article. Because all the elective treatments have been postponed to keep people out of the hospitals that don't need to be there right now. So all the doctors and nurses that have specialties in specific areas that are not related to this virus fight have no paying patients.
Speciality doctors have the kind of basic medical knowledge that could be applied in triage or ER scenarios to relieve the stress we're hearing about on those on the "front lines" at hospitals across the country.
They weren't sending home speciality doctors and nurses on the tragedy everyone likes to compare this "pandemic" to...9/11.
So why do it now if this is the "biggest crisis the country has faced since WW II"?
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In addition to these numbers the concern is having the hospital beds, ventilators, medicine, and other medical equipment necessary to assist those needing treatment as the numbers of cases and hospitalizations increases. Added to that, there isn't the trained medical personnel needed. There's been a shortage of doctors and nurses for years. Doctors trained in pulmonology, endocrinology and cardiology are especially needed and properly trained respiratory therapists. You can increase production on medical supplies, but there is no way to increase production of medical doctors, specialists and medical personnel.
This is part of what makes this particular virus different from any flu in the past.
The chance of spread is significantly higher, and the number of patients in ICU is already taxing many hospitals in areas where there have been "clusters" of cases. ..... especially those where fast spread in nursing homes has occurred, and comorbidities are greater.
The most alarm I have observed in this is from those on the front lines.......the doctors and nurses who are treating patients, and who don't have adequate PPE's. If we lose them, we lose protection and treatment for the rest of us.
And from my observation over decades, Dr.s and nurses are some of the bravest, least easily swayed by panic people in the world. And their pleading for the public to stay home is something we should all be paying attention to.
We can all discuss online the why and how of this disease, but it behooves us to listen to the people who know what's going on at the front when it comes to how we are living our lives right now.
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I'm not sure if others have done this but....
I'm self employed and filed for unemployment, and filed for at least a $10,000 loan from the small business administration. I'd recommend you all do this if it's applicable.
I had mixed emotions about doing this, but justified by figuring that I'd be paying for it anyway. happy77
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You read the article. Because all the elective treatments have been postponed to keep people out of the hospitals that don't need to be there right now. So all the doctors and nurses that have specialties in specific areas that are not related to this virus fight have no paying patients.
Many of them are just being transferred to other areas...... such as surgeons not doing elective surgeries who are training as ER nurses. And the Navy orthopedic surgeon I talked about above who is now in a triage tent who may not be working in his specialty, but has definitely not been laid off.
There are also people being sent home to rest so that when things get worse, there will be a more rested workforce as the cases in ICU's increase.
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If this is such a national natural disaster why are there stories in the papers in the last few days talking about healthcare workers being laid off across the country?
@txradioguy
My daughter is a Trauma certified RN currently working for a 500+ bed hospital here in Texas. Current occupancy at that hospital is 60 patients. She isn't laid off yet (been there a long time and is the charge nurse in here area) but she thinks it's coming any day.
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@txradioguy
My daughter is a Trauma certified RN currently working for a 500+ bed hospital here in Texas. Current occupancy at that hospital is 60 patients. She isn't laid off yet (been there a long time and is the charge nurse in here area) but she thinks it's coming any day.
I'll keep my fingers crossed they don't lay her off.
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The entire point of information, education and preparation is to avoid panic.
Equating the dissemination of accurate information with hysteria, is, well, pretty much being hysterical. wink777
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@Cyber Liberty excellent advice...if only people would listen.
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This isn't the flu. This is more contagious, spreads far more rapidly, and the mortality rate for those that become infected is higher. In my county, we have reached 245 cases with 10 deaths. That's a 4% mortality rate v. 2% for the flu.
Not everyone who gets the flu needs to be hospitalized; I am only looking at hospitalization rates for COVID-19 in my county and the rate of hospitalization is 20%. The duration for those that recover from this virus is a month to 45 days; much longer than the flu.
In addition to these numbers the concern is having the hospital beds, ventilators, medicine, and other medical equipment necessary to assist those needing treatment as the numbers of cases and hospitalizations increases. Added to that, there isn't the trained medical personnel needed. There's been a shortage of doctors and nurses for years. Doctors trained in pulmonology, endocrinology and cardiology are especially needed and properly trained respiratory therapists. You can increase production on medical supplies, but there is no way to increase production of medical doctors, specialists and medical personnel.
The severity of the virus is real. The severity of the "intent" of this virus is real and concerning.
Equally concerning is I also see and agree that there could be a purposeful crowd psychology going on here to cause people to act like they are right now; when we in FL are told to stay home, yet they are letting in 200+ foreigners who will be getting medical care that they need, something is up. When we still have open borders and Mexico's cases are rising, something is up. IF they begin to start treating the Hispanics from various different populations coming across our borders and we are made to stay home -- something is drastically wrong. RESIST!
Meanwhile trillions will be spent on infrastructure-- possibly now they will build that superhighway connecting Mexico, the U.S. and Canada ... meanwhile we are told to stay at home. Are they going to use American labor?? Governor DeSanis even stated, now would be a perfect time to repairs roads and bridges while everyone is off the roads. Americans, that is.
@libertybele
Is every death in your county caused by CCP Flu now like NY or are normal causes still in play there?
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I'll keep my fingers crossed they don't lay her off.
Thanks!
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@Cyber Liberty excellent advice...if only people would listen.
The only people I see who appear to be in a state of panic are those who are screaming in denial.
Again.......... the dissemination of information, education and facts does not in any way, shape or form equal panic, nor hysteria.
Perhaps if a few of you calm down, you'll begin to understand that. Maybe the few of you who are afraid should start your own thread, and stay away from the calm informational one going on here.
Just a suggestion to help ease your fears....... :beer:
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A long time physician friend of mine responded to my tweet about my daughter's hospital thusly:
"Hospitals are on lockdown. No elective cases and trying to keep patients out at all costs. Why you say? Well, the fact is that when the first COVID 19 patients show up the hospital ventilation systems are likely to be contaminated."
Wonder if that might have anything to do with what is going on in Italy, Spain, and N.Y. ? Asking for a friend.
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The only people I see who appear to be in a state of panic are those who are screaming in denial.
Again.......... the dissemination of information, education and facts does not in any way, shape or form equal panic, nor hysteria.
Perhaps if a few of you calm down, you'll begin to understand that. Maybe the few of you who are afraid should start your own thread, and stay away from the calm informational one going on here.
Just a suggestion to help ease your fears....... :beer:
Great posts @musiclady I don't know that I can add anything but to agree that we are all scared, and it's very hard to have a rational response in that state. Don't take it personally when others tell you not to have your own opinion. It takes a long time to break old habits, and some of will fight it until the death toll become too hard to ignore. Take solace that while our government is imperfect, none of us wants more death, and our government is listening.
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The only people I see who appear to be in a state of panic are those who are screaming in denial.
Again.......... the dissemination of information, education and facts does not in any way, shape or form equal panic, nor hysteria.
Perhaps if a few of you calm down, you'll begin to understand that. Maybe the few of you who are afraid should start your own thread, and stay away from the calm informational one going on here.
Just a suggestion to help ease your fears....... :beer:
I have no fear. I'm not out mass buying anything. I'm not buying into the myth of 200K dead and "we haven't hit peak yet". I'm not screaming from the rooftops that we "NEED TO STAY INSIDE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!"
I'm not the one buying into the media induced hype/panic.
But thanks for your attempt at projection on this.
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This thread on twitter is worth reading:
Sean Davis @seanmdav
The IMHE model for the Wuhan coronavirus that the White House is relying on is garbage. It is using NY/NJ data and applying it to the rest of the U.S.
It predicted that over 121,000 Americans would be hospitalized yesterday over the coronavirus. The actual number? 31,142.
12:00 PM · Apr 2, 2020·Twitter Web App
Let's look at some state data. The IMHE model predicted that 1,716 people in Texas would have been hospitalized yesterday due to the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number of hospitalized Texans? 196 people.
In Georgia, the IMHE model predicted that as of yesterday, 2,777 peole would have been hospitalized due to the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number of people hospitalized in Georgia? 952.
In Virginia, the IMHE model predicted that 607 Virginians would have been hospitalized as of yesterday due to the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number? 305. ...
... All projection data can be found here: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections.
All historical hospitalization data can be found here: https://covidtracking.com/data/.
If we're going to shut down the entire nation's economy to "flatten the curve" based on the projections of a single model, it shouldn't be too much to ask that the model approximate reality when it comes to hospitalizations. ...
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1245742822512381954
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If this is such a national natural disaster why are there stories in the papers in the last few days talking about healthcare workers being laid off across the country?
Fake News
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Fake News
Are you calling what my own daughter told me directly "Fake News" @Once-Ler ?
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Ezra Levant @ezralevant
1. This is New York City's list of deaths from Coronavirus as of this morning. It's 1,397.
18 of those are people who died ONLY of the virus. The rest died of the virus and something else. Or perhaps they died of something else, but also had the virus.
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf
2:39 PM · Apr 2, 2020
2. That doesn't lessen the tragedy or the public health urgency of fighting the virus. But it suggests we can have a different approach to people who are at a low risk versus people who are at a high risk.
Protect people with underlying conditions. Let the rest go to work.
3. Perhaps the most striking fact from New York City's stats is that of age. Only one person under 18 has died (and he had an underlying condition. Yet our schools are closed.
4. Only 61 people under the age of 45 have died, and all but 5 had underlying conditions. According to this chart, under 45's are 61% of the NYC population. https://baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/population-geography/age_distribution.htm
But under 45s are only 5% of the deaths.
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Are you calling what my own daughter told me directly "Fake News" @Once-Ler ?
No. Thankfully she is in an area that isn't a hot spot (yet), and our President's 15 day guideline has reduced the number of car accidents and gun shot wounds there.
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This thread on twitter is worth reading:https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1245742822512381954
Too much reliance on technology and not enough common sense.
If a computer says it is true, then we need look no further.... right...
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Are you calling what my own daughter told me directly "Fake News" @Once-Ler ?
@Bigun What he doesn't get is that when those millions of new shut ins lost their jobs, they lost their health insurance, too. Oops. One domino tips another.
People with insurance (and jobs) are a hell of a lot more likely to see a doctor than people with neither.
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I have no fear. I'm not out mass buying anything. I'm not buying into the myth of 200K dead and "we haven't hit peak yet". I'm not screaming from the rooftops that we "NEED TO STAY INSIDE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!"
I'm not the one buying into the media induced hype/panic.
But thanks for your attempt at projection on this.
Education is power. Information is not panic. Listening to the medical community (not the leftist media, in case you missed it the last 5 times I’ve explained it) is the intelligent response to what’s going on medically.
You can ignore the information if that makes you feel better, but stop accusing those of us who choose not to live in ignorance of being panicked.
I’m not. And if you accuse me again of it, you will be deliberately making a false accusation.
And I know you’re a better man than that, so I’m confident you won’t do it again.
Now be safe. Stay home. Stay healthy. God bless.
Edited to add: How can I be "projecting" when I'm just throwing your own projection right back at you?
Is. a. Puzzlement. happy77
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@libertybele
Is every death in your county caused by CCP Flu now like NY or are normal causes still in play there?
What is being reported is the number who have tested positive for the virus. Out of that number how many have been hospitalized, the age, how many are residents or non residents of FL, sex, and how many have died. So we have 245 cases in my county, ages ranging from 10 to 96, 1 resident not in FL, 8 non-residents in FL, 124 men, 121 women, 10 deaths and 50 hospitalizations.
The data given is only based on those recorded as testing positive for the virus. Same data for all other counties with Miami-Dade having the largest number of cases testing positive, with Broward ranking 2nd; which is where they are now unloading 2 cruise ships of sick people.
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David Burge
@iowahawkblog
Inside every American is an bleep 'vice principal' itching to bust out and demand to see your hall pass
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Great posts @musiclady I don't know that I can add anything but to agree that we are all scared, and it's very hard to have a rational response in that state. Don't take it personally when others tell you not to have your own opinion. It takes a long time to break old habits, and some of will fight it until the death toll become too hard to ignore. Take solace that while our government is imperfect, none of us wants more death, and our government is listening.
A couple of things........ I’m not scared. I’m alert. There’s a difference.
Second..... I find it remarkable that there are a handful of people here (fortunately not many) who not only don’t want you to have an educated opinion, but make silly accusations to try to force you to have the same opinion as they do, even though their opinion is not based in fact.
I see that as insecurity. If they were confident (and some other posters are) they would just post alternate opinions rather than mock the majority of us who are taking a serious situation seriously.
I wish them all well, but I sure would like for this thread to be about facts, and not accusations.
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Ezra Levant @ezralevant
1. This is New York City's list of deaths from Coronavirus as of this morning. It's 1,397.
18 of those are people who died ONLY of the virus. The rest died of the virus and something else. Or perhaps they died of something else, but also had the virus.
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf
2:39 PM · Apr 2, 2020
2. That doesn't lessen the tragedy or the public health urgency of fighting the virus. But it suggests we can have a different approach to people who are at a low risk versus people who are at a high risk.
Protect people with underlying conditions. Let the rest go to work.
3. Perhaps the most striking fact from New York City's stats is that of age. Only one person under 18 has died (and he had an underlying condition. Yet our schools are closed.
4. Only 61 people under the age of 45 have died, and all but 5 had underlying conditions. According to this chart, under 45's are 61% of the NYC population. https://baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/population-geography/age_distribution.htm
But under 45s are only 5% of the deaths.
I did see a chart regarding this virus and its age distribution in Buffalo, New York. Buffalo had been a hotspot but it appears to be leveling off here—new cases are generally slowing down and what new cases are showing up are mostly essential workers in crowded places like health care, prisons, nursing homes and the such. Very few under 20 are getting this. Very few over 70 are, either—a sign that "Matilda's Law" as Cuomo puts it is working well here. Most of the cases are in their 20s, 30s and 40s.
Somewhat surprisingly, Erie County, PA, with a city of over 100,000, has largely been unscathed so far. Only 13 cases, and five were just added today.
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Adam Townsend
@adamscrabble
· Apr 1
Updated NYC Covid-19 numbers. Note the cases with no underlying conditions
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUh5GU7WAAAq0KA?format=jpg&name=small)
Explains why NY’s Covid 19 fatality numbers are inflated. They dont’t distinguish between those who die with the disease and those who die from it.
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What is being reported is the number who have tested positive for the virus. Out of that number how many have been hospitalized, the age, how many are residents or non residents of FL, sex, and how many have died. So we have 245 cases in my county, ages ranging from 10 to 96, 1 resident not in FL, 8 non-residents in FL, 124 men, 121 women, 10 deaths and 50 hospitalizations.
The data given is only based on those recorded as testing positive for the virus. Same data for all other counties with Miami-Dade having the largest number of cases testing positive, with Broward ranking 2nd; which is where they are now unloading 2 cruise ships of sick people.
So all 10 of the people who have died in your county will have COVID-19 as the cause of death on their death certificates regardless of any other condition they may have been suffering from?
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Adam Townsend
@adamscrabble
· Apr 1
Updated NYC Covid-19 numbers. Note the cases with no underlying conditions
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUh5GU7WAAAq0KA?format=jpg&name=small)
Explains why NY’s Covid 19 fatality numbers are inflated. They dont’t distinguish between those who die with the disease and those who die from it.
QFT!
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QFT!
@Smokin Joe and that's just new York. I wonder how many other cities and states are doing the same thing?
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I did see a chart regarding this virus and its age distribution in Buffalo, New York. Buffalo had been a hotspot but it appears to be leveling off here—new cases are generally slowing down and what new cases are showing up are mostly essential workers in crowded places like health care, prisons, nursing homes and the such. Very few under 20 are getting this. Very few over 70 are, either—a sign that "Matilda's Law" as Cuomo puts it is working well here. Most of the cases are in their 20s, 30s and 40s.
Somewhat surprisingly, Erie County, PA, with a city of over 100,000, has largely been unscathed so far. Only 13 cases, and five were just added today.
A few days ago, of the 867 cases in Ohio, 145 were health care workers.
That’s 17%. All healthy, not old, doing their jobs to save lives.
THEY are the reason the rest of us need to be vigilant and keep the curve as flat as we can.
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04-02-2020 | 19:10 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.911 ↑ | 5.534 ↓ |
| United States | 1.806 ↓ | 23.041 ↑ |
| China | 23.028 ↑ | 1.068 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Huge uptick in both reported cases and deaths in US as States update their data. Orleans/Jefferson Parishes, La. now has highest concentration of cases per population in the US.
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So all 10 of the people who have died in your county will have COVID-19 as the cause of death on their death certificates regardless of any other condition they may have been suffering from?
What I do know based on the stats given is that 50 are being hospitalized because of COVID-19 of the 245 positive cases reported and 10 have died.
Just because one has a heart condition and dies also having COVID-19 doesn't mean that their primary cause of death is because of the heart condition. It has been reported that those with heart disease, diabetes, lung disease, liver disease, asthma or other underlying conditions are much more likely to die from COVID-19. So, to me logically, if they had not contracted COVID 19 they would more than likely still be alive.
Keep in mind that the stats given for the state and for each county are based on positive coronavirus cases. Not those pending (I didn't look at those stats). Deaths and hospitalizations are based only on those cases. How many other people are dying from COVID-19 that haven't been tested has not been reported, nor do I know if they are testing people who have passed for the virus.
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What I do know based on the stats given is that 50 are being hospitalized because of COVID-19 of the 245 positive cases reported and 10 have died.
Just because one has a heart condition and dies also having COVID-19 doesn't mean that their primary cause of death is because of the heart condition. It has been reported that those with heart disease, diabetes, lung disease, liver disease, asthma or other underlying conditions are much more likely to die from COVID-19. So, to me logically, if they had not contracted COVID 19 they would more than likely still be alive.
Keep in mind that the stats given for the state and for each county are based on positive coronavirus cases. Not those pending (I didn't look at those stats). Deaths and hospitalizations are based only on those cases. How many other people are dying from COVID-19 that haven't been tested has not been reported, nor do I know if they are testing people who have passed for the virus.
Dr. Acton in Ohio just answered a question about comorbidities, and who is dying from what...
She said quite honestly, as she has been all along, that it will be a while before that information and the statistics are sorted out.
Right now, drawing any conclusions about what does not know about, is premature.
We will not know for some time what people are dying from who have COVID 19...... I just would guess that there are many who have HBP, heart conditions, and are obese who die after contracting this virus, would not likely have died from those other conditions had they not gotten this virus..
Again....... no conclusions can or should be drawn about who's dying from what in any given state until the facts are in.
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04-02-2020 | 19:10 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.911 ↑ | 5.534 ↓ |
| United States | 1.806 ↓ | 23.041 ↑ |
| China | 23.028 ↑ | 1.068 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Huge uptick in both reported cases and deaths in US as States update their data. Orleans/Jefferson Parishes, La. now has highest concentration of cases per population in the US.
There will most likely be more upticks in the coming days and weeks due to increased testing. Right now the testing is being reserved for the sickest and the health care professionals, so there are likely far more people with the virus than the numbers.
Add to that the fact that many carriers have it, but are asymptomatic, and those numbers will grow much larger if and when serology tests are given to see who's had it and who hasn't.
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A couple of things........ I’m not scared. I’m alert. There’s a difference.
Fair enough. I'm scared. I'm scared to go to the store for fear of getting infected and bringing it home. I'm scared for Americans I don't even know and the scars that this virus will leave on our collective psyche. I read a story about a grandfather who died of COVID-19. Gramma is in quarantine and her children and grandchildren can't even hug and console her in her grief. Once Grandpa was hospitalized he was allowed no visitors so his family never got a chance to say good bye and he died alone. I don't know how well I can take 200k stories like that.
Second..... I find it remarkable that there are a handful of people here (fortunately not many) who not only don’t want you to have an educated opinion, but make silly accusations to try to force you to have the same opinion as they do, even though their opinion is not based in fact.
I see that as insecurity. If they were confident (and some other posters are) they would just post alternate opinions rather than mock the majority of us who are taking a serious situation seriously.
I wish them all well, but I sure would like for this thread to be about facts, and not accusations.
Agreed @musiclady
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@Bigun What he doesn't get is that when those millions of new shut ins lost their jobs, they lost their health insurance, too. Oops. One domino tips another.
People with insurance (and jobs) are a hell of a lot more likely to see a doctor than people with neither.
Well I guess their better off dead to you. Oopps I mean Constitutionally dead.
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Well I guess their better off dead to you. Oopps I mean Constitutionally dead.
Knock it the Bleep off.
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If this is so bad and is gone kill so many people..why don't we do this same kind of nation wide panic attack for the Flu?
Why wasn't there this kind of forced incarnation in our own homes in 2009? (H1N1)
There's a purposeful crowd psychology going on here to cause people to act like they are right now.
And it's really sad to see otherwise intelligent and logical people falling for it.
Reflects my thinking exactly. So what’s different now? My conclusion? The Washington/New York elite media hate Trump so much that they saw this “crisis†as just another excuse to damage Donald Trump, completely ignoring the collateral damage to the lives of everyday Americans from economic ruin-a-nation.
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Fair enough. I'm scared. I'm scared to go to the store for fear of getting infected and bringing it home. I'm scared for Americans I don't even know and the scars that this virus will leave on our collective psyche.
I'm scared as well -- I have underlying conditions, my husband, who is 5 years older than I am also has underlying conditions and his doctor told him to stay at home and not chance it. We've been at home for the most part for 3 weeks. I have been to the store a few times, we saw our attorney. That's been it. My daughter is afraid to visit as she doesn't want to infect us in case she's a carrier; she would be devastated if something were to happen and she'd blame herself. We saw her briefly for a bit -- and we hugged from a distance-- she had tears in her eyes as did we. She is afraid for us and we're afraid for her. She has joined the ranks of unemployment. It is very hard to be separated. We haven't seen our grandson because we are afraid of bringing in anything into that household, especially with a baby, nor do we want to take a chance that those still working in the household may infect us. So again, it is extremely difficult to be separated ... especially with at minimum another month to go before we can reconnect. Hugging at a distance, talking and texting on the phone, is just not the same.
Time being separated from family can NEVER be replaced...this is truly what is happening to many.
I saw on our local news website that they expect our cases to double next week.
You bet I am worried. So they are expecting 500 cases by next week and they are reporting that they are looking into additional sites if needed. 216 beds are available in our county hospitals. The others are occupied. Eight medical personnel have tested positive and 180 are being quarantined.
A huge thanks to @mystery-ak for keeping this website going -- it's been extremely helpful to vent in here.
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Reflects my thinking exactly. So what’s different now? My conclusion? The Washington/New York elite media hate Trump so much that they saw this “crisis†as just another excuse to damage Donald Trump, completely ignoring the collateral damage to the lives of everyday Americans from economic ruin-a-nation.
Do you suppose the Washington/New York elite media fooled the President, his hand picked advisors, all the GOP Congress except 1, and GOP governors like DeSantis and Kemp who are finally shutting down there economy?
Damn they're good.
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Fair enough. I'm scared. I'm scared to go to the store for fear of getting infected and bringing it home. I'm scared for Americans I don't even know and the scars that this virus will leave on our collective psyche. I read a story about a grandfather who died of COVID-19. Gramma is in quarantine and her children and grandchildren can't even hug and console her in her grief. Once Grandpa was hospitalized he was allowed no visitors so his family never got a chance to say good bye and he died alone. I don't know how well I can take 200k stories like that.
Agreed @musiclady
Actually, I do share your fear for others. I'm especially concerned for the health care community. We have a lot of nurses and a doctor in our (larger) family.. daughter in law, numerous nieces who are nurses and one a Dr., a cousin who is caring for a COVID patient in a nursing home.....
There is reason to fear for them, just as there is reason to fear for any troops in battle. That's why I pray for them.......... ALL the time!
Reference has been made to previous epidemics (the only previous pandemic was before any of us was born). When H1N1 hit, there wasn't the kind of danger to our medical personnel as there is now. All of my family members were working then, and none were afraid. Now they are all concerned. For their own safety, and for the safety of their families.
As has been said many times before, there were treatments for previous viruses. There were vaccines. The medical community knew what to do. There were no hospitals that had to put triage tents in their parking lots. (Our local hospital now has them). Now they are learning on the fly, and many, many first responders are getting very sick.
If we are so callous that we don't care about them, what kind of people are we?
@Once-Ler
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My refusal to panic is often mistaken for my not caring. :shrug:
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My refusal to panic is often mistaken for my not caring. :shrug:
I haven't seen a single person here who is panicking. I think the accusation needs to stop because all it does is derail an informational thread with false accusations of others who are not any more in a panic than their accusers are. Nor do they believe the leftist media hype more than their accusers do.
I repeat: Disseminating information, one way or the other, is not hysteria or panic.
If people don't want the information, they can stay off this thread where others are discussing the facts calmly and rationally.
As they say, ignorance is bliss.......... and a few people around here are pretty much overcome by their bliss. wink777
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A huge thanks to @mystery-ak for keeping this website going -- it's been extremely helpful to vent in here.
Indeed :thumbsup:
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Agree with the previous posts, here is some more news to take note of:
BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
New York City is now advising residents to cover their nose and mouth with a scarf, bandana, or a piece of clothing while out in public to limit the spread of coronavirus
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245822708337827840
BNO, Breaking News Online.
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Every one is going to be told to wear something to cover nose and mouth.
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Indeed :thumbsup:
I'll second that!
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We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
How about just stick with the rasssict card?
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How about just stick with the rasssict card?
It's too intellectually lazy. Do I look like a Democrat? 333cleo 333cleo
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ONE DAY CLOSER
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JaosE-gZE#)
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ALL I see are CARPETBAGGING MFERs.
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Middle East Respiratory Syndrome and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome: Current Therapeutic Options and Potential Targets for Novel Therapies (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjUvIyq8croAhUKvZ4KHYelCU4QFjAAegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC5733787%2F&usg=AOvVaw311GrnjFyJ0XG5xdPz2H0p)
Published online 2017 Nov 15
Antimalarial Agents
The antimalarial agents,chloroquine (CQ), amodiaquine, and mefloquine have activity against SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV in vitro [36, 38, 39]. CQ is a U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antimalarial agent that is also used to treat autoimmune disease such as rheumatoid arthritis due to its anti-inflammatory effects [40]. CQ has activity against a number of viruses in vitro and in vivo including flaviviruses [dengue virus (DENV)], Togaviruses [chikungunya virus (CHIKV)], paramyxoviruses (Hendra, Nipah virus), influenza viruses, HIV, and filoviruses [Ebola virus (EBOV)] [41–47].
Several mechanisms of action have been identified for the antiviral effect of CQ and suggest that the drug acts nonspecifically at virus entry or at the later stages of virus production. CQ accumulates within acidic organelles such as endosomes, Golgi vesicles, and lysosomes, where the drug is protonated resulting in increased pH within the vesicle [48]. Viruses depend on these acidic organelles for entry, viral replication, and maturation of virus progeny. Similarly, MERS-CoV entry into cells depends on several proteases. Dipeptidyl peptidase 4 (DPP4) acts as functional virus receptor [49], and cellular proteases [e.g. type II transmembrane serine protease (TMPRSS2) and members of the cathepsin family] activate the viral spike (S) glycoprotein [50]. CQ may have an effect on any of these proteases. CQ also affects the glycosylation step within the Golgi that directs trafficking and maturation of viral proteins [51–53]. For SARS-CoV, the antiviral activity of CQ has also been attributed to a deficit in glycosylation of the receptor angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) [54].
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5733787/#CR36 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5733787/#CR36)
Screening of an FDA-Approved Compound Library Identifies Four Small-Molecule Inhibitors of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Replication in Cell Culture
Antimicrob Agents Chemother. 2014 Aug; 58(8): 4875–4884.
doi: 10.1128/AAC.03011-14
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Every one is going to be told to wear something to cover nose and mouth.
I am down with that depending on the time of the month.
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I am down with that depending on the time of the month.
Pelosi should wear a bag over her head.
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Pelosi should wear a bag over her head.
That covers her toes. You can get one in any color as long as it is black.
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@Smokin Joe and that's just new York. I wonder how many other cities and states are doing the same thing?
Who knows? That's just it. If the 'standard reporting criteria' are logically flawed, the conclusions drawn from the data will be flawed, too.
We have had 159 positive tests out of 4980 tested here, 28 hospitalized, 43 recovered, 3 deceased. The infection to detection cycle appears to be six days, with two peaks in new cases a day apart, then another set six days later. Successive sets appear to be roughly double the previous one, but not all the data is in on the third one.
graph here (https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases)
All three who died had underlying medical conditions.
The most infected group is 30-39 years old, with those in their 20s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, roughly even tapering off younger and older.
Distribution of infections: hit counties with three major towns first. appeared to spread along interstate 94, US Hwy 2 (east/west corridors) and along US Hwys 85 and 83 (major N/S corridors) first, then gradually hitting other counties (23 of 53 countis have at least one positive).
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I've printed out the following, and carry it in my wallet:
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1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc Sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
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If I end up in the hospital with this, I'm going to request this treatment right away if they'll provide it.
I knew I wouldn't be able to remember the full names and the dosages, so that's why I'm carrying it around. I might be intubated and unable to say much, perhaps I can just get them to check the wallet...
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I've printed out the following, and carry it in my wallet:
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1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc Sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
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If I end up in the hospital with this, I'm going to request this treatment right away if they'll provide it.
I knew I wouldn't be able to remember the full names and the dosages, so that's why I'm carrying it around. I might be intubated and unable to say much, perhaps I can just get them to check the wallet...
They always check the wallet, right after they check your jewelry for precious minerals.
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Kentucky is putting ankle monitors on coronavirus patients who ignore self-isolation order
https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/kentucky-is-putting-ankle-monitors-on-coronavirus-patients-who-ignore-self-isolation-order/ (https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/kentucky-is-putting-ankle-monitors-on-coronavirus-patients-who-ignore-self-isolation-order/)
Police State much? I mean I know it's Louisville and all but still...
@Polly Ticks you see this BS?
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I've printed out the following, and carry it in my wallet:
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1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc Sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
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If I end up in the hospital with this, I'm going to request this treatment right away if they'll provide it.
I knew I wouldn't be able to remember the full names and the dosages, so that's why I'm carrying it around. I might be intubated and unable to say much, perhaps I can just get them to check the wallet...
Good info, I might copy that down too.
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The OANN reporter was not reportedly social distancing if no one heard about this. WHCA - White House Correspondents Association.
WHCA Kicks OANN Reporter Out Of Press Briefings Over ‘Public Safety’ Concerns
By Kristine Marsh | April 2, 2020 8:38 AM EDT
The White House Correspondents' Association abruptly decided to boot a conservative news network reporter from future White House briefings, announcing Wednesday night that she had violated the rules of “social distancing†during this COVID-19 crisis.
According to a statement put out by the WHCA, the reporter in question, One America News Network’s Chanel Rion had violated new rules imposed by the journalist organization in the past month, which limit the number of reporters in the briefing room to fifteen. According to the Washington Post, smaller news networks could only rotate in “once every several days†for one of these key seats, however, Rion was seen in the room on both Tuesday and Wednesday this week.
The WHCA, headed by ABC’s Jonathan Karl told the Post he warned White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham about Rion violating protocol on Tuesday, before the board voted to oust her from future briefings, Wednesday night, citing concern for “public safety.â€
Read more at: https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2020/04/02/whca-kicks-oann-reporter-out-press-briefings-over-public-safety (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2020/04/02/whca-kicks-oann-reporter-out-press-briefings-over-public-safety)
Check rest of story, the OANN reporter, Rion, a few weeks ago, questioned whether saying "Chinese food" was racist and upset some liberals over this. Good point, is it racist to say "Chinese Food"? "Mexican Food" and so on?
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The OANN reporter was not reportedly social distancing if no one heard about this. WHCA - White House Correspondents Association.
I think the real reason the WHCA got their knickers in a twist was that OAN - and only OAN - reported on how the Kennedy Center planned all along to screw their employees but the Dems still made sure its $25 million was in the relief bill.
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https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/kentucky-is-putting-ankle-monitors-on-coronavirus-patients-who-ignore-self-isolation-order/ (https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/kentucky-is-putting-ankle-monitors-on-coronavirus-patients-who-ignore-self-isolation-order/)
Police State much? I mean I know it's Louisville and all but still...
@Polly Ticks you see this BS?
@txradioguy
I did see that, yes, and it is horrifying.
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Pelosi should wear a bag over her head.
I thought she already did. That's really what her face looks like?
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Pelosi should wear a bag over her head.
I gotta ask: "Paper or plastic?"
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I've printed out the following, and carry it in my wallet:
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1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc Sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
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If I end up in the hospital with this, I'm going to request this treatment right away if they'll provide it.
I knew I wouldn't be able to remember the full names and the dosages, so that's why I'm carrying it around. I might be intubated and unable to say much, perhaps I can just get them to check the wallet...
I was thinking those drugs were in short supply.
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I was thinking those drugs were in short supply.
5 days ago, Sandoz donated 30 million doses of Hydroxychloroquine to HHS (enough for 6 million courses of the medication above) Zinc Sulfate can be had from Puritan's pride--it's a fairly common supplement. Azithromycin (Zithromax) in the Z-pack has been a commmon antibiotic for years.
All three are "off the shelf", not some new exotic compound, and the two that aren't OTC have FDA approval for other uses already.
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5 days ago, Sandoz donated 30 million doses of Hydroxychloroquine to HHS (enough for 6 million courses of the medication above) Zinc Sulfate can be had from Puritan's pride--it's a fairly common supplement. Azithromycin (Zithromax) in the Z-pack has been a commmon antibiotic for years.
All three are "off the shelf", not some new exotic compound, and the two that aren't OTC have FDA approval for other uses already.
Joe...oil is $26....we are in the money now!....lol. We are bidding on 500 bbl frac tanks next week to store our oil. We refuse to sell at this price. I hear lots of West Texas co's are shutting in their wells.
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Joe...oil is $26....we are in the money now!....lol.
If not retired, I would have went earlier "all in with the Integrateds. Since the big dip, most are up 20-30%.
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Joe...oil is $26....we are in the money now!....lol. We are bidding on 500 bbl frac tanks next week to store our oil. We refuse to sell at this price. I hear lots of West Texas co's are shutting in their wells.
Low prices are their own remedy...Even the Russians and Saudis can only keep this up for a while. It isn't that the Saudis lift costs are high--they aren't, but all the stuff the Royal Family feeds won't let their assets remain assets long at this price.
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Low prices are their own remedy...Even the Russians and Saudis can only keep this up for a while. It isn't that the Saudis lift costs are high--they aren't, but all the stuff the Royal Family feeds won't let their assets remain assets long at this price.
I agree. There comes a point where neither side can continue to lose money.
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Low prices are their own remedy...
As are high prices. The difficulty with petroleum price volatility arises from the huge discrepancy in production costs around the globe as well as the online/offline time (and money) investment. Now would be a good time to own an ocean tanker, fill it up, and part it off the coast somewhere for the next 12 months or so.
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As are high prices. The difficulty with petroleum price volatility arises from the huge discrepancy in production costs around the globe as well as the online/offline time (and money) investment. Now would be a good time to own an ocean tanker, fill it up, and part it off the coast somewhere for the next 12 months or so.
Yep. I figure one would double that investment.
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Former Governor of?? Illinois? Bill Mitchell:
Bill Mitchell
@mitchellvii
If I were Governor I would NOT lock my state down no matter what Fauci says. I would open small business, encourage masks and social distancing. I would NOT bankrupt my state like a scared child. I would treat my citizens like adults.
Those who wish to stay home can.
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1246112318435536903
It looks like he has a lot of sage advice...
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Meanwhile, in the socialist democracy of Pennsylvania:
Pennsylvania officials ask all residents to wear masks if they go out
Megan Guza | Friday, April 3, 2020 2:17 p.m.
Pennsylvania officials have asked all residents to wear a mask if they must leave the house — though they asked that they leave medical-grade masks for medical professionals.
It’s a change in course by Gov. Tom Wolf and Secretary of Health Dr. Rachel Levine.
Levine stressed that staying at home is still the most effective way to stay protected but if you need to go out for food or medication, “then wearing a mask or even a bandana could be an extra layer of protection.†...
Wolf said a mask will not necessarily protect the person wearing it, but it will keep them from spreading the virus if they have it an are unaware or asymptomatic. ...
More at Tribune Review (https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/pa-officials-ask-all-residents-to-wear-masks-if-they-leave-their-houses/)
At first, they told us there was absolutely no point to wearing masks, that they wouldn't protect anyone. :pondering:
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04-03-2020 | 22:03 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.882 ↓ | 5.294 ↓ |
| United States | 1.705 ↓ | 22.832 ↓ |
| China | 23.050 ↑ | 1.066 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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04-03-2020 | 22:03 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.882 ↓ | 5.294 ↓ |
| United States | 1.705 ↓ | 22.832 ↓ |
| China | 23.050 ↑ | 1.066 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
I appreciate your posting this every day....Kudos!
:thumbsup:
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PAY THE FLUCK ATTENTION
The flucking virologists have known the efficacy of these drugs since SARS CoV.
Hydroxychloroquine
Chloroquine
Zinc Zn2+
For 17 FLUCKING YEARS>
I am not talking about any of you.
I am talking to all the the FLUCKING CARPETBAGGERS in this world. I said it before. How depressing it is to see how many greedy selfish coksuckers there are in this world.
Oh, nevermind. I just got a new loan offer. And one of my credit cards raised my limit. (reading the mail).
Gotta go. I need to take advantage of these great deals.
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When it hit a million I had to stop looking.
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When it hit a million I had to stop looking.
Make sure you and yours are okay. That you have what you need, make no unnecessary trips and are completely careful about exposure. You are in the 'hot zone' but if you are careful, you should be okay.
You and your mom are ever in my prayers.
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Interesting metro-by-metro, day-by-day breakdown of social distancing/travel efficacy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/us/coronavirus-stay-home-rich-poor.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/us/coronavirus-stay-home-rich-poor.html)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUsJ953WsAEuUKF?format=png&name=small)
Before: travel would spike on weekends and regress to average during the week. Now, travel on weekends has dropped to near zero and rises as essential workers go to work, but still to less than half of what it was before the pandemic.
This lends further credence to my suspicions that the official numbers here in America are fishy.
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You laugh, but a couple mornings a week, I sit on the back patio, enumerating and doings censuses on birds on the feeders, and baths And I treat it like a competition, and so it is fair, I have one with seed, one with meal worms.
(Score) Yard Visits last week?
Sparrows- 233
Grackles- 87
Wrens- 54. (Probably the same damn one 54 times)
Mockingbirds- 32
Cardinals- 32
Blue Jays 29
Crows- 10
Flicker- 6
Brown Thrashers-5
Catbird- 5
Bluebirds- 5
Red Headed Woodpecker- 2
Red Tailed Hawk- 1
Pileated Woodpecker- 1
Cattle Egret- 1
No Robins, though their would have been a few 100 a few weeks ago, before their journey north.
Ahhh life in the isoation bliss.....
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Fauci and Birx BOTH Have Big-Money Bill Gates Conflicts of Interest - National File
Patrick Howley
President Donald Trump is fighting to find a medical solution for Coronavirus in the short term, expressing hope that the anti-malaria drug Chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine can help patients suffering from the Chinese virus.
The truth is that President Donald Trump is locked in an intense power struggle with Bill Gates, who is pushing his vaccines, which may not be available to the public until after November’s election. Gates has a lot of pull in the medical world, he has a multi-million dollar relationship with Dr. Fauci, and Fauci originally took the Gates line supporting vaccines and casting doubt on Chloroquine. Coronavirus response team member Dr. Deborah Birx, appointed by former president Obama to serve as United States Global AIDS Coordinator, also sits on the board of a group that has received billions from Gates’ foundation, and Birx reportedly used a disputed Bill Gates-funded model for the White Houses’ Coronavirus effort. Gates is a big proponent for a population lockdown scenario for the Coronavirus outbreak.
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID, a division of National Institutes of Health, NIH) director Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is represented by the Aurumn Speakers Bureau, initially criticized Trump’s hopeful assessment of Chloroquine, saying in an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper that “There’s no magic drug for coronavirus right now,†and lectured, “Let me put it into perspective for the viewers .. there has been anecdotal non-proven data that it [chloroquine] works… but when you have an uncontrolled trial you can never definitely say that it works.â€
But now Fauci has changed his tune and launched a public relations campaign huddling closer to Trump. Fauci said that he would definitely prescribe Chloroquine for patients. “Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option. These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons. They’re anti-malaria drugs, and they’re drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus. Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for.â€
Read more at: https://nationalfile.com/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/
This looks like one of those Conservative websites that takes from other websites and puts them together but nonetheless, a good informative story imho.
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You laugh, but a couple mornings a week, I sit on the back patio, enumerating and doings censuses on birds on the feeders, and baths And I treat it like a competition, and so it is fair, I have one with seed, one with meal worms.
(Score) Yard Visits last week?
Sparrows- 233
Grackles- 87
Wrens- 54. (Probably the same damn one 54 times)
Mockingbirds- 32
Cardinals- 32
Blue Jays 29
Crows- 10
Flicker- 6
Brown Thrashers-5
Catbird- 5
Bluebirds- 5
Red Headed Woodpecker- 2
Red Tailed Hawk- 1
Pileated Woodpecker- 1
Cattle Egret- 1
No Robins, though their would have been a few 100 a few weeks ago, before their journey north.
Ahhh life in the isoation bliss.....
You definitely have a lot more birds than I do -- I get some water fowl... but nonetheless ...
Ah ... yes... I've been watching for the past several days a couple of mockingbirds build a nest -- I even got out the binoculars so not to disturb them!
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Steve Forbes on Laura:
Steve Forbes says coronavirus hit US economy like 'a sledgehammer'
By Victor Garcia | Fox News
Steve Forbes, chairman and editor-in-chief of Forbes Media, reacted Friday on "The Ingraham Angle" to U.S. unemployment climbing as coronavirus spreads and its effects on the economy if the shutdown continues.
"[The] devastation is going to be very real. You've already saw in that 10 million [unemployment] number in the last two weeks. That's going to get worse," Forbes told host Laura Ingraham. "In effect, we've done the economic equivalent of a medical shutdown of the economy -- a coma, induced coma."
Forbes called for ramped up testing in order to help the economy.
"So this gets to where economics and health care intertwine, and that is we have to massively step up the testing. For example, [Abbot] laboratories, has a test that can tell you in five or 15 minutes whether you have this horrific disease," Forbes said. "They've only produced 5,000 kits. They should be producing 50,000 a day. They should be licensing and the government should push them to do it. Other manufacturers we should be doing not 100,000 tests a day for a country our size, experts tell me we should be doing at least 500,000 a day to find out who already has immunities."
Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/media/steve-forbes-says-coronavirus-hit-us-economy-like-a-sledgehammer (https://www.foxnews.com/media/steve-forbes-says-coronavirus-hit-us-economy-like-a-sledgehammer)
Massive testing, I have no problem with that but that would take a lot of work to do.
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You definitely have a lot more birds than I do -- I get some water fowl... but nonetheless ...
Ah ... yes... I've been watching for the past several days a couple of mockingbirds build a nest -- I even got out the binoculars so not to disturb them!
I enjoy watching the hawks in our backyard. I try to look away as much as I can when they devour the pesky squirrels, but they are certainly majestic birds. Found out from my ornithologist friend that they are Red Shouldered Hawks. I thought they were Broad Wing, but those pictures in the bird identification books aren't always the best.
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04-04-2020 | 20:06 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.940 ↑ | 5.207 ↓ |
| United States | 1.768 ↑ | 20.832 ↓ |
| China | 23.077 ↑ | 1.064 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Why is New Orleans' coronavirus death rate twice New York's? Obesity is a factor
[Reuters]By Brad Brooks, Reuters•April 2, 2020
By Brad Brooks
(Reuters) - The coronavirus has been a far deadlier threat in New Orleans than the rest of the United States, with a per-capita death rate twice that of New York City. Doctors, public health officials and available data say the Big Easy's high levels of obesity and related ailments may be part of the problem.
"We're just sicker," said Rebekah Gee, who until January was the health secretary for Louisiana and now heads Louisiana State University's healthcare services division. "We already had tremendous healthcare disparities before this pandemic – one can only imagine they are being amplified now."
Along with New York and Seattle, New Orleans has emerged as one of the early U.S. hot spots for the coronavirus, making it a national test case for how to control and treat the disease it causes. Chief among the concerns raised by doctors working in the Louisiana city is the death rate, which is twice that of New York and over four times that of Seattle, based on Thursday's publicly reported data.
Read more at: https://news.yahoo.com/why-orleans-coronavirus-death-rate-100627119.html
I don't know if Obesity is the exact cause of this, the rate currently is probably higher as stated.
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I don't know if Obesity is the exact cause of this, the rate currently is probably higher as stated.
It couldn't possibly be because all those chubbies packed themselves into the streets for Mardi Gras. No way, uh uh. Nope. **nononono*
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Steve Forbes on Laura:
Massive testing, I have no problem with that but that would take a lot of work to do.
Forbes has a point, though. Identifying mild to moderate cases who recovered without medical care would indicate not only who already had the disease, but straighten out any distortion in the statistics and mortality rates that may exist because we don't know how many mild cases have resolved with no medical assistance.
Depending on those results, that could go a long way to opening up an economic recovery, or give us all a better idea of what we have to fight.
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I don't know if Obesity is the exact cause of this, the rate currently is probably higher as stated.
Obesity, hypertension, Heart disease, and diabetes often go hand in hand.
Like age, obesity may be a visible way to assess the probability of people having those underlying conditions originally identified which contribute to mortality without actually defining risk in and of itself.
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Blast from the past.
Published: 09 November 2015
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
Abstract
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. ...
Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations. ...
Nature Magazine (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Larry Schweikart is discussing this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1246568990807404545):Larry Schweikart @LarrySchweikart
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1) https://nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Well . . . anyone remember this?
"we BUILT a CHIMERIC virus encoding a novel, zoonotic CoV spike protein—from the RsSHC014-CoV sequence that was isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats1—in the context of the SARS-CoV mouse-adapted backboneâ€
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential f
Ralph Baric, Vineet Menachery and colleagues characterize a SARS-like coronavirus circulating in Chinese horseshoe bats to determine its potential to infect primary human airway epithelial cells,...
nature.com
2) An engineer friend translated this for me:
"they BUILT a CHIMERIC virus that included protein spikes whose designed function is to penetrate cells via the ACE-2 receptor AND they tested this gain of function IN VIVO."
3) The US imposed a prohibition upon "gain of function" research. The person who is identified as tech lead for protein spikes (the key function that allows exploitation of the ACE-2 receptor for example), has since associated with the level 4 bio lab in WUHAN.
4) Credits section says: "Z.-L.S. provided SHC014 spike sequences and plasmids.â€
And where is this “Z.-L.S.†now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli)
Shi Zhengli . . . at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
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Blast from the past.Nature Magazine (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Larry Schweikart is discussing this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1246568990807404545):
Letter
Published: 09 November 2015
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985.pdf (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985.pdf)(downloadable)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985) Web page that gives information on authors (click on author's name)
From the linked article: one of the Authors is Xing-Yi Ge, bio note :"Xing-Yi Ge
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China"
and (I missed this the first time I posted this information) Zhengli-Li Shi
Zhengli-Li Shi
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
From the Abstract:
Although public health measures were able to stop the SARS-CoV outbreak4, recent metagenomics studies have identified sequences of closely related SARS-like viruses circulating in Chinese bat populations that may pose a future threat1,6. However, sequence data alone provides minimal insights to identify and prepare for future prepandemic viruses. Therefore, to examine the emergence potential (that is, the potential to infect humans) of circulating bat CoVs, we built a chimeric virus encoding a novel, zoonotic CoV spike protein—from the RsSHC014-CoV sequence that was isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats1—in the context of the SARS-CoV mouse-adapted backbone. The hybrid virus allowed us to evaluate the ability of the novel spike protein to cause disease independently of other necessary adaptive mutations in its natural backbone. Using this approach, we characterized CoV infection mediated by the SHC014 spike protein in primary human airway cells and in vivo, and tested the efficacy of available immune therapeutics against SHC014-CoV. Together, the strategy translates metagenomics data to help predict and prepare for future emergent viruses.
Considering the Wuhan Lab connections, was the work done in North Carolina shared/stolen/transferred and used to make the SARS-CoV-2 strain that causes COVID-19?
I am not accusing any of these researchers of any improper activity, but the connection to the epicenter of this outbreak is hard to ignore.
.edited to add information.
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From the linked article: one of the Authors is Xing-Yi Ge, bio note :"Xing-Yi Ge
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China"
I am not accusing anyone of any impropriety, but ....
Coinkydink? Was someone in Wuhan replicating research done in North Carolina?
There's a lot of arrows pointing towards a lab leak in Wuhan. China's attempt to bury all information about it immediately after the first people got sick only further confirms this. China needs to pay a very heavy cost for what they've done.
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@DB I'm wondering if this doesn't tie in with China trying to blame the US for the virus?
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Bannon's war room show had someone talk about how Fauci has said he believes the info from China. Now, I don't know when Fauci last said this but apparently he did say it at one point and that is weak.
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@DB I'm wondering if this doesn't tie in with China trying to blame the US for the virus?
I think they'll throw things out on many fronts to muddy the waters. The more noise the better for them.
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FYI -- I didn't know where to post this, but I was able to go into my state's health department website to find the number of positive coronavirus cases by zip code. I don't know if every state is doing this, but if so, it will enable you to see how many confirmed COVID-19 cases are in your immediate area and surrounding area. Keep in mind that these numbers only represent people who have tested positive.
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FYI -- I didn't know where to post this, but I was able to go into my state's health department website to find the number of positive coronavirus cases by zip code. I don't know if every state is doing this, but if so, it will enable you to see how many confirmed COVID-19 cases are in your immediate area and surrounding area. Keep in mind that these numbers only represent people who have tested positive.
I haven't been able to find by zip code, but by county. States I have a personal interest in:
For ND: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases (https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases)
For MD: https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/ (https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/)
For VA: http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/ (http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/)
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There's a lot of arrows pointing towards a lab leak in Wuhan. China's attempt to bury all information about it immediately after the first people got sick only further confirms this. China needs to pay a very heavy cost for what they've done.
The paper I referenced is from 2015 Two researchers in the author list have ties to the lab in Wuhan.
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The paper I referenced is from 2015 Two researchers in the author list have ties to the lab in Wuhan.
Yep, I read that. There absolutely must be a serious inquiry into what went on there.
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Yep, I read that. There absolutely must be a serious inquiry into what went on there.
I think so, too.
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I think so, too.
Sent the link and snips of the Abstract to the White House.
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I assume the original article has been proven wrong? Bill Gates & Soros have funded the WUHAN, CHINA BIO-LAB & GATES has the patent for this. Man made. All the crazies and their plans to reduce population. AGENDA 21, with Agenda 30 coming up.
Wet markets had zero to do with this. I believe, no proof, it was let out on purpose. Oct. 2019. Covid-19
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5:38 AM - 1 day ago#1 I don't have a link.
December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization.
January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus.
January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.
January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China.
January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles.
January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus.
January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response.
January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization†from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test.
January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus.
January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.
January 31: The Trump Administration: Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency. Announced Chinese travel restrictions. Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.
January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports.
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February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.
February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps†to protect Americans from the coronavirus.
February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.
February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.
February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development†of a coronavirus vaccine.
February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.
February 12: The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government.
February 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance†to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.
February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections.
February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.
February 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India.
February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications.
February 29: The Trump Administration:Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea.Barred all travel to Iran. Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days.
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March 3: The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.â€
March 3: The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus.
March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.
March 4: Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus.
March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak.
The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions.
March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus.
March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.
March 11: President Trump:Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days.Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50 billion. Directed the Treasury Department to defer tax payments for affected individuals & businesses, & provide $200 billion in “additional liquidity.†Met with American bankers at the White House to discuss coronavirus.
March 13: President Trump declared a national emergency in order to access $42 billion in existing funds to combat the coronavirus.
March 13: President Trump announced: Public-private partnerships to open up drive-through testing collection sites. A pause on interest payments on federal student loans. An order to the Department of Energy to purchase oil for the strategic petroleum reserve.
March 13: The Food & Drug Administration: Granted Roche AG an emergency approval for automated coronavirus testing kits.
Issued an emergency approval to Thermo Fisher for a coronavirus test within 24 hours of receiving the request.
March 13: HHS announced funding for the development of two new rapid diagnostic tests, which would be able to detect coronavirus in approximately 1 hour.
March 14: The Coronavirus Relief Bill passed the House of Representatives.
March 14: The Trump Administration announced the European travel ban will extend to the UK and Ireland.
March 15: President Trump held a phone call with over two dozen grocery store executives to discuss on-going demand for food and other supplies.
March 15: HHS announced it is projected to have 1.9 million COVID-19 tests available in 2,000 labs this week.
March 15: Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources.
March 15: All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts†to end coronavirus.
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@LegalAmerican Note post #576 this thread, which I have added information to which should have been in the original post. Note that two researchers from the Wuhan Indstitute of Virology were working on creating novel coronavirus strains with researchers at the University of North Carolina, and this letter was published in Science in November of 2015.
It is difficult to look past researchers tied to viral labs in Wuhan researching creating novel corona viruses from bat borne corona viruses and the likely tie to this outbreak and pathogen.
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@LegalAmerican Note post #576 this thread, which I have added information to which should have been in the original post. Note that two researchers from the Wuhan Indstitute of Virology were working on creating novel coronavirus strains with researchers at the University of North Carolina, and this letter was published in Science in November of 2015.
It is difficult to look past researchers tied to viral labs in Wuhan researching creating novel corona viruses from bat borne corona viruses and the likely tie to this outbreak and pathogen.
Did you see this up thread: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2180693.html#msg2180693 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2180693.html#msg2180693)
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Did you see this up thread: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2180693.html#msg2180693 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2180693.html#msg2180693)
All roads lead to a lab, not a market. The description of the effects of the SARS CoV-2 sure sound like the chimeric virus created in the lab.
Researchers from Wuhan involved in 2015 give the Chinese plenty of time to replicate that research, with that or other viral forms to produce a novel Coronavirus.
The release may range from intentional to someone picking up a little money on the side selling animals to the wet market, to an accidental release of a novel, lab made pathogen.
Least credible to me, although virology is not my area of expertise at all, is the idea that this is a spontaneous and natural chimeric variant of a bat virus that naturally occurred and transferred to humans.
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March 16: President Trump:Held a tele-conference with governors to discuss coronavirus preparedness and response.Participated in a call with G7 leaders who committed to increasing coordination in response to the coronavirus and restoring global economic confidence. Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time.
Announced “15 days to slow the spread†coronavirus guidance.
March 16: The FDA announced it was empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by labs in their states.
March 16: Asst. Secretary for Health confirmed the availability of 1 million coronavirus tests, and projected 2 million tests available the next week and 5 million the following.
March 17: President Trump announced:CMS will expand telehealth benefits for Medicare beneficiaries. Relevant Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act penalties will not be enforced. The Army Corps of Engineers is on â€standby†to assist federal & state governments.
March 17: President Trump spoke to fast food executives from Wendy’s, McDonald’s and Burger King to discuss drive-thru services recommended by CDC
March 17: President Trump met with tourism industry representatives along with industrial supply, retail, and wholesale representatives.
March 17: Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin met with lawmakers to discuss stimulus measures to relieve the economic burden of coronavirus on certain industries, businesses, and American workers.
March 17: Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue announced a partnership between USDA, Baylor University, McLane Global, and Pepsi Co. to provide one million meals per weak to rural children in response to widespread school closures.
March 17: The Treasury Department:Contributed $10 billion through the economic stabilization fund to the Federal Reserve’s commercial paper funding facility.Deferred $300 billion in tax payments for 90 days without penalty, up to $1 million for individuals & $10 million for business.
March 17: The Department of Defense announced it will make available to HHS up to five million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators.
March 18: President Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which provides free testing and paid sick leave for workers impacted by the coronavirus.
March 18: President Trump announced:Temporary closure of the U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic.Plans to invoke the Defense Production Act in order to increase the number of necessary supplies needed to combat coronavirus. FEMA has been activated in every region at its highest level of response.The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships.
All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time.
March 18: Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed: 1 million masks are now immediately available.The Army Corps of Engineers is in NY consulting on how to best assist state officials.
March 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines.
March 18: President Trump spoke to: Doctors, physicians, and nurses on the front lines containing the spread of coronavirus.
130 CEOs of the Business Roundtable to discuss on-going public-private partnerships in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
March 19: President Trump announced:Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus.Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients.
March 19: Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients.
March 19: The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus.
March 19: President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors.
March 20: The U.S. and Mexico agree to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic.
March 20: Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses.
March 20: President Trump: Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measuresHeld a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders
March 20: The Department of Education announced it will:Not enforce standardized testing requirements for the remainder of the school year. Allow federal student loan borrowers to stop payments without penalty for 60 days
March 20: Secretary Azar announced:FEMA is coordinating and assisting coronavirus testing at labs across the country. The CDC is suspending all illegal entries to the country based on the public health threat, via Section 362 of the Public Health & Security Act
March 20: Secretary Azar sent a letter to all 50 Governors that the federal government is buying and making available 200,000 testing swabs
March 21: Vice President Pence announced to date over 195,000 Americans tested for coronavirus and have received their results
March 21: The Trump Administration announced HHS placed an order for hundreds of millions of N95 masks through FEMA
March 21: The FDA announced it had given emergency approval to a new coronavirus test that delivers results in hours, with an intended rollout of March 30
March 21: Adm. Giroir confirmed 10 million testing kits had been put into the commercial market from March 2 through March 14
March 22: President Trump approved major disaster declarations for:Washington State, California
March 22: President Trump announced: Governors will remain in command of National Guard forces & the federal govt will fund 100% of operations cost. He directed the federal govt to provide 4 large federal medical stations with 2,000 beds for CA & 1,000 beds for NY & WA.
March 22: President Trump confirmed his administration was working with Peru & Honduras to return Americans stranded in both countries as a result of travel restrictions.
March 22: Vice President Pence announced: The testing backlog will be resolved by midweek.To date, over 254,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.
March 22: President Trump announced that the USNS Mercy will be deployed to Los Angeles.
March 22: FEMA issued guidance for tribal governments to seek federal assistance under the President’s emergency declaration.
March 23: President Trump signed an executive order invoking section 4512 of the Defense Production Act to prohibit the hoarding of vital medical supplies.
March 23: VP Pence announced:313,000 Americans were tested for the coronavirus & received results.FEMA established a supply chain stabilization task force so Americans get supplies they need.HHS will have commercial labs prioritize testing for hospitalized patients.
March 23: The White House Office of Science & Technology Policy announced a public-private consortium to:Advance coronavirus research. Provide access to computing technology and resources for researchers.
March 23: Attorney General Barr announced: The Justice Department held a National Task Force meeting on hoarding and price gouging.Each of the 93 U.S. Attorney General offices is designating a lead prosectuor to prevent hoarding.
March 23: President Trump announced HHS is working to designate essential medical supplies as “scarce†to prohibit hoarding of these items.
March 23: The Treasury Department announced it is working with the Federal Reserve to lend up to $300 billion to businesses and local governments.
March 24: President Trump announced the Army Corps of Engineers & the National Guard are constructing four hospitals and four medical centers in New York.
March 24: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration for the state of Iowa related to the coronavirus outbreak.
March 24: Vice President Pence: Confirmed FEMA sent New York 2,000 ventilators.Announced individuals who have recently been in New York should self-quarantine for 14 days.
March 24: Dr. Deborah Birx announced the U.S. has conducted more coronavirus tests in the last week than South Korea has over the prior eight weeks.
March 24: The U.S. Army issued orders for three army hospitals to deploy their health care professionals to New York and Washington state, at the direction of Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy.
March 25: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the #coronavirus outbreak for: Texas, Florida,
North Carolina
March 25: President Trump & Vice President Pence held a conference call with 140 non-profit organization leaders, including The Salvation Army & The Red Cross, to discuss coronavirus response efforts.
March 25: President Trump signed a bill reauthorizing The Older Americans Act, which supports senior citizens by providing meals, transportation, and other crucial services.
March 25: Vice President Pence,Held a conference call with equipment manufacturers to discuss on-going coronavirus response efforts.Announced 432,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received results. Confirmed 4,000 ventilators were delivered to New York.
March 25: Vice President Pence held discussions with multiple governors, including the Governor of Indiana & the Governor of Michigan
March 26: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for: Illinois, New Jersey
Maryland, Missouri
March 26: President Trump announced the USNS Comfort will depart for NYC on Saturday to assist in the coronavirus response – 3 weeks ahead of schedule!
March 26: President Trump participated in a video conference with the leaders of the G20 to discuss the global coronavirus response & the need for countries to share information and data on the spread of the virus.
March 26: President Trump held a phone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping to discuss the coronavirus.
March 26: Vice President Pence announced 552,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.
March 26: Dr. Fauci announced the Federal Government is working with companies to speed up production of potential coronavirus vaccines while those drugs are still in the trial phase.
March 27: President Trump signed The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act into law.
March 27: President Trump signed a Defense Production Act memorandum ordering General Motors (GM) "to accept, perform, and prioritize federal contractors for ventilators.
March 27: President Trump signed an executive order allowing the military to activate members of the Selected Reserve and Ready Reserve to active duty to assist with the Federal response to the coronavirus.
March 27: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for: South Carolina,
Puerto Rico
March 27: President Trump appointed Office of Trade and Manufacturing policy director Peter Navarro to serve as the Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator.
March 27: President Trump announced that 100,000 ventilators are projected to be manufactured in the next 100 days, three times the amount typically manufactured in one year.
March 27: President Trump announced that Boeing offered the use of three "Dreamlifter" cargo air crafts to transport medical supplies across the country.
March 27: Partnering with FEMA, the CDC, and the Coronavirus Task Force, Apple released a coronavirus app which allows users to screen for their symptoms.
March 27: President Trump spoke with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the global coronavirus response and committed to helping provide ventilators to the U.K. where possible.
March 27: Vice President Pence announced that 685,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their test results.
March 27: Emory University began enrolling participants for a phase one clinical trial, sponsored by the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), of a new, potential coronavirus vaccine.
March 27: FEMA Administrator Pete Gaynor spoke to the director of each of the state's emergency operations about the state-led, federally-supported coronavirus response effort.
March 27: The USNS Mercy arrived in the port of Los Angelse to help relieve the strain on hospital facilities in Southern California.
March 28: President Trump visited Norfolk, VA to send off the USNS Comfort to New York City where it will help relieve the strain on local hospitals.
March 28: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for: Guam, Michigan,
Massachusetts , Kentucky, Colorado
March 28: President Trump spoke with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis regarding the coronavirus response effort
March 28: The CDC issued new guidance for residents of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut to avoid non-essential domestic travel for 14 days to #StopTheSpread of the coronavirus within the U.S.
March 29: President Trump announced that CDC guidelines will be extended through April 30 to promote #socialdistancing and other measures to stop the spread of the #coronavirus
March 29: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for: Connecticut, Oregon
Georgia ,Washington DC
March 29: President Trump met with supply chain distributors including FedEx, Cardinal Health, and UPS to discuss ways to get state and local governments necessary medical supplies to combat the coronavirus
March 29: President Trump congratulated the Army Corps of Engineers for having completed construction on a 2,900 bedroom temporary hospital at the Javits Center in New York
March 29: President Trump tweeted his support for the FDA to expedite the approval process to approve mask sterilization equipment produced by Battelle
March 29: President Trump announced the on-going study of 1,100 patients in New York being treated with Hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus
March 29: President Trump directed the Treasury & Labor Departments to look at reinstating deductions of business expenses at restaurants, bars, and entertainment businesses to help the hospitality industry
March 29: The first "Project Airbridge" shipment of medical supplies from abroad, organized by FEMA, landed at JFK airport, carrying 80 tons of masks, face shields, and other vital medical supplies
March 29: President Trump announced that Cigna and Humana are waving co-pays for coronavirus treatment
March 29: Vice President Pence sent a letter to hospital administrators requesting that hospitals across the country report their coronavirus data to the Federal Government in addition to state authorities
March 29: Adm. Giroir announced that 894,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results
March 29: HHS accepted 30 million doses of Hydroxychloroquine, donated by Sandoz, and one million doses of Chloroquine, donated by Bayer Pharmaceuticals, for clinical trials and possible treatment of coronavirus patients
March 30: President Trump announced that one million Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results
March 30: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for: Alabama, Kansas,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island
March 30: Secretary Azar announced that the FDA has approved Battelle’s N95 mask sanitization process for use to decontaminate tens of thousands of masks per day
March 30: President Trump announced further private sector commitments to manufacture personal protective equipment by MyPillow, Honeywell, Jockey, Procter & Gamble, and United Technologies
March 30: President Trump announced, to date, FEMA has dedicated $1.3 billion to assist New York State’s coronavirus response
March 30: President Trump announced “more than 14,000†National Guard service members have been activated to respond to the coronavirus outbreak
March 30: President Trump spoke with the nation’s governors about their need for medical supplies
March 30: President Trump announced that in the coming days the Federal Government will be delivering:400 ventilators to Michigan, 300 ventilators to New Jersey, 150 ventilators to Louisiana, 150 ventilators to Illinois, 50 ventilators to Connecticut
March 30: President Trump spoke to Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte of Italy and pledged to send $100 million of medical supplies to aid Italy’s battle against coronavirus
March 30: Answering President Trump’s call for the private sector to join the fight against the #coronavirus, Ford Motor Company committed to producing 50,000 ventilators in the next 100 days
March 30: On coronavirus testing, Secretary Azar announced that the U.S. is currently testing nearly 100,000 samples per day
March 30: HHS took steps to accelerate a clinical trial of a potential coronavirus vaccine developed by Janssen Research & Development
March 30: CMS announced new regulatory changes to cut red tape and give flexibility to America’s health care workers by relaxing hospital workforce regulations, expanding child care, meal, and laundry services for health care workers, expanding tele-health reimbursement, and more
March 30: The USNS Comfort arrived in New York Harbor, providing more than 1,000 more hospital beds for patients without coronavirus, to relieve pressure on local hospitals
March 30: The USNS Mercy began treating patients in Los Angeles
March 31: President Trump officially issued “30 Days To Slow The Spread†guidance to mitigate the outbreak of coronavirus
March 31: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the coronavirus outbreak for: Ohio,Montana
March 31: President Trump participated in a conference call with executives of American Network Service Providers to promote connectivity amid social distancing
March 31: President Trump announced that the federal government is stockpiling 10,000 ventilators to be urgently distributed as needed once the coronavirus pandemic hits its peak in the U.S.
March 31: President Trump announced that the Treasury Department and SBA are rapidly mobilizing money from the CARES Act’s $349 billion paycheck protection program, with the program set to be “up and running†by April 3
March 31: President Trump spoke to Michigan Governor Whitmer about the state’s need for ventilators
March 31: President Trump announced the Army Corps of Engineers & FEMA will construct:8 facilities with 50,000 bed capacity in California.A field hospital with 250 bed capacity in Michigan. 2 field hospitals in Louisiana with 500 bed capacity.An alternative care sight in New Orleans with a 3,000 bed capacity
March 31: President Trump spoke with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan about the international effort to defeat the coronavirus and support the global economy
March 31: President Trump and the First Lady spoke with their Majesties King Felipe VI and Queen Letizia of Spain about efforts to combat the coronavirus
March 31: Vice President Pence announced that 10 states now have access to federal funding for The National Guard to respond to the coronavirus outbreak
March 31: Vice President Pence announced that 17,000 National Guard Servicemen have been activated across the country to assist in the coronavirus response
March 31: Vice President Pence announced that 1.1 million coronavirus tests have been completed
March 31: Adm. Giroir & Surgeon General Adams issued an open letter to the U.S. health care community about how to optimize the use of ventilators
March 31: The FDA issued an emergency use authorization for a two-minute coronavirus antibody test developed by Bodysphere Inc.
March 31: The Treasury Department and IRS launched the employee retention credit, created by the CARES Act to incentivize businesses to keep their employees on payroll, and said businesses can begin using it
March 31: The VA announced that it had expanded virtual services to veterans, continuing to provide care while limiting in-person interactions that could potentially harm vulnerable populations at VA facilities
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This is not a normal time. I had to post all those actions, so those who think, WRITE, nothing is being done by POTUS. The way I understand it, each STATE, IS TO KEEP THEMSELVES PREPARED for all issues. Then if they can't, to seek help from federal agencies. We found out that NY Cumono, sp? was HIDING his ventilators & supplies, then claiming POTUS did not give him any. Democrats do have a mental issue. Corrupt and evil thinking.
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@LegalAmerican @PeteS in CA has been working on a timeline, too, with links. Y'all should compare notes.
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Blast from the past.Nature Magazine (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Larry Schweikart is discussing this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1246568990807404545):
Thanks for bringing that article to my attention. Wow, and while not precisely damning, means, opportunity, motive are all present. Especially considering the actions of so many Democrats have played into the outbreak to actually maximize the damage done. This reeks of war, of treason, of sabotage and espionage, and frankly, murder, for political (Democrats) and/or economic (China) gain.
The situation stinks on ice.
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This is just baloney.
HUGE! From CDC Website: Hospitals to List COVID-19 as Cause of Death Even if It's "Assumed to Have Caused Or Contributed to Death" - Lab Tests Not Required
By Cristina Laila
Published April 4, 2020 at 5:25pm
... The amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf) that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.†...
The U07.1 code will be used for death by Coronavirus infection.
However, there’s another secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,†the CDC guidelines read.
“Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.†...
Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-19-cause-death-even-assumed-caused-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/)
I understand this may explain why Sweden's death figures seem so low - they're not attributing a death to Covid-19 unless it truly was directly caused by Covid-19, and not from other physical conditions or illnesses.
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I saw Dr. Fauci on one of the morning tv shows. He was asked about the malaria drug cocktail. He said there was mixed information that it actually worked. Everything I've read from experts including Dr. Oz seems to indicate that it does indeed work. Just wondering why the negative response from Dr. Fauci.
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I saw Dr. Fauci on one of the morning tv shows. He was asked about the malaria drug cocktail. He said there was mixed information that it actually worked. Everything I've read from experts including Dr. Oz seems to indicate that it does indeed work. Just wondering why the negative response from Dr. Fauci.
Probably for the same reason as a mask won't help earlier. Trying to prevent hoarding of the items lying in the process.
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Probably for the same reason as a mask won't help earlier. Trying to prevent hoarding of the items lying in the process.
Hey just tell us the truth. This lying crap has to stop. I felt like an idiot, but I wore a mask yesterday picking up my Walmart groceries. Beats getting the virus though....
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This really is just using a bandana, maybe folding it a certain way to get a bit more protection.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r2C1zGUHbU#)
To me, just wearing a winter scarf around the nose would have about as much protection. Still, a simple and easy way to make a mask per video.
As for me, yes, I think a mask probably helps and I wore one Friday in the grocery store.
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I saw Dr. Fauci on one of the morning tv shows. He was asked about the malaria drug cocktail. He said there was mixed information that it actually worked. Everything I've read from experts including Dr. Oz seems to indicate that it does indeed work. Just wondering why the negative response from Dr. Fauci.
Dr. Fauci is the "leading expert" on infectious diseases and has served under six presidents. He is used to going through the protocols of research and testing and it seems to me, because of his background and reputation, he doesn't want to just go ahead and randomly suggest that chloroquine or hydroxycholorquine and other drugs will work in treating this virus especially since the drugs are being used off label. IMHO I think he's letting his reputation and years of experience interfere with telling the medical profession to use it as a last resort to save lives. There is a possibility that he is also perhaps letting politics play a role in all of this as well.
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Hey just tell us the truth. This lying crap has to stop. I felt like an idiot, but I wore a mask yesterday picking up my Walmart groceries. Beats getting the virus though....
I haven't ventured out yet with a mask, but I have ventured out several times wearing gloves. I thought I was going to feel silly,but quite the opposite thinking of how many people touched the touch screen I was about to use, handling packages of food, cash back and other items, I felt I was being smart. I'll have the same mindset when I wear a mask -- I'm potentially protecting myself from the inconsiderate boob that is hacking and sneezing near me!
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Re the info-dump below, the main sources are:
https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html (https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html)
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back)
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/)
First some notes. I double-checked the source for each listed event.
* The first event on National Review's list (12/6) is not confirmed by the linked Lancet article. There is nothing resembling what NR quoted, supposedly from Lancet. While some Prog orgs claim NR lied, my guess is that either Lancet edited their article or the incorrect link is in NR's article. Other sources have information consistent with or ante-dating NR's 12/6 date.
* The South China Morning Post is over a century old, and is based in Hong Kong. The Straits Times is ~175 years old and is based in Singapore. Their information is vaguely sourced, to some degree, that's the nature of getting information from inside China.
* Some of NR's source articles are behind paywalls. While I found alternative sources for some, others I simply omitted. I won't support paywalls by paying or linking blocked information.
* Some of NR's source articles are Chinese language. I used Google Translate to verify the content.
So, put down your coffee and hold on to your seat:
Possible first contraction of coronavirus (9 cases reported in November): November 17, 2019, https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back)
Nine cases reported: November, 2019, https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back)
Pneumonia patients in study published by NEJM, earliest illness onset: December 8, 2020, https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316)
Early Wuhan patient Wei Guixian starts feeling ill: December 10, 2020, https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-it-all-started-chinas-early-coronavirus-missteps-11583508932 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-it-all-started-chinas-early-coronavirus-missteps-11583508932)
Pneumonia patients in study published by NEJM, at least one early admission: December, 12, 2020, https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316)
Pneumonia patients studied by Lancet, at least one early admission: December, 16, 2020, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext)
Pneumonia patients studied by NEJM, earliest patient with infected person contact, not the meat market: December, 19, 2020, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext)
Cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan recognized: December 21, 2019, http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/a3907201-f64f-4154-a19e-4253b453d10c (http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/a3907201-f64f-4154-a19e-4253b453d10c)
Recognition of infection of hospital staff reported: December 25, 2020, https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IzzCnz4Yr2jEIYZePiu_ow (https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IzzCnz4Yr2jEIYZePiu_ow) (Chinese language)
Guangzhou genomics company (one of several) partly sequence virus DNA, recognized as similar to SARS (a corona virus): December 27, 2020, https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/how-early-signs-of-the-coronavirus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-in-china (https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/how-early-signs-of-the-coronavirus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-in-china)
Zhang Jixian, a doctor at a Hubei Provincial hospital informed health authorities it was a new coronavirus: December 27, 2020, https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back)
Ai Fen, director of Wuhan Central Hospital, posted a WeChat message about the new SARS-like virus and reprimanded: December 30, 2019, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen-speaks-out-against-authorities)
Li Wenliang sent WeChat message to fellow doctors, warning to protect themselves from infection: December 30, 2019, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30382-2/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30382-2/fulltext)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no evidence of human-human transmission or infected medical staff: December 31, 2019, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2019123108989 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2019123108989) (Chinese language, second paragraph)
Genomics company employee ordered by Hubei Provincial Health Commission official to stop testing and destroy samples: January 1, 2020, https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/how-early-signs-of-the-coronavirus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-in-china (https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/how-early-signs-of-the-coronavirus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-in-china)
14 of 41 studied patients had no direct connection to the Huanan seafood market: January 2, 2020, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext)
China's National Health Commission ordered institutions not to publish any information and ordered labs to transfer samples to testing institutions (without designating an institution) or to destroy them: January 3, 2020, https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/how-early-signs-of-the-coronavirus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-in-china (https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/how-early-signs-of-the-coronavirus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-in-china)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no evidence of human-human transmission or infected medical staff: January 3, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020010309017 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020010309017) (Chinese language)
Li Wenliang detained by Wuhan police for "spreading false rumors": January 3, 2020, https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/feb/07/coronavirus-chinese-rage-death-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/feb/07/coronavirus-chinese-rage-death-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang) Died of Covid-19, February 7, 2020
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no evidence of human-human transmission or infected medical staff: January 5, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020010509020 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020010509020) (Chinese language)
After unknowingly treating a patient with coronavirus, Li Wenliang had symptoms: January 10, 2020, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795) (human-human transmission!)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no evidence of human-human transmission or infected medical staff: January 11, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011109035 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011109035) (Chinese language)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no cases among related contacts: January 14, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011409039 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011409039) (Chinese language)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed "there is no clear evidence of person-to-person transmission" but "the possibility of limited person-to-person transmission cannot be ruled out": January 15, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011509040 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011509040) (Chinese language, Google Translate translation)
First confirmed US case left Wuhan to come to the US: January 15, 2020, confirmed January 21, 2020, https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no cases among related contacts: January 17, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011809064 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020011809064) (Chinese language)
Tens of thousands gather for Wuhan's Lunar New Year banquet: January 18, 2020, https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/02/06/wuhan-neighbourhood-sees-infections-after-40000-families-gather-for-potluck (https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/02/06/wuhan-neighbourhood-sees-infections-after-40000-families-gather-for-potluck)
China and WHO claim that how the virus is transmitted is unknown: January 19, 2020, https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51168333 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51168333)
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission claimed no cases among related contacts: January 19/20, 2020, http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020012009077 (http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020012009077) (Chinese language)
First acknowledgement of human-human transmission of coronavirus: January 20, 2020, https://abcnews.go.com/Health/human-human-transmission-coronavirus-reported-china/story?id=68403105 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/human-human-transmission-coronavirus-reported-china/story?id=68403105)
WHO delegation reported human-human transmission had happened (January 20-21), announced by WHO: January 22, 2020, https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020 (https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020)
Wuhan and other cities in Hubei Province shut down travel: January 23, 2020, https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html)
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This is not a normal time. I had to post all those actions, so those who think, WRITE, nothing is being done by POTUS. The way I understand it, each STATE, IS TO KEEP THEMSELVES PREPARED for all issues. Then if they can't, to seek help from federal agencies. We found out that NY Cumono, sp? was HIDING his ventilators & supplies, then claiming POTUS did not give him any. Democrats do have a mental issue. Corrupt and evil thinking.
@LegalAmerican
I watch Cuomo's update every day. Cuomo hid nothing. His medical people told him how many more ventilators/other they would need as the numbers climbed and he was getting supplies wherever he could to build a pile to have enough. He still needs more. If you watched his updated progress every day you would know this.
I do not consider this problem in terms of political parties and no one should. Democrats are sick/dying, Republicans are sick/dying. Instead of parties, see in your mind a stack of 9,267 dead bodies as of right now, Sunday, 3:30 pm.
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@LegalAmerican, here is the source of the timelines you posted, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/ (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/timeline-the-trump-administrations-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/) .
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@LegalAmerican
I watch Cuomo's update every day. Cuomo hid nothing. His medical people told him how many more ventilators/other they would need as the numbers climbed and he was getting supplies wherever he could to build a pile to have enough. He still needs more. If you watched his updated progress every day you would know this.
I do not consider this problem in terms of political parties and no one should. Democrats are sick/dying, Republicans are sick/dying. Instead of parties, see in your mind a stack of 9,267 dead bodies as of right now, Sunday, 3:30 pm.
@Victoria33, "HIDING" is clearly wrong. However, @LegalAmerican was alluding to this, https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-in-ny-cuomo-defends-need-for-30k-ventilators-after-trump-called-it-overblown/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-in-ny-cuomo-defends-need-for-30k-ventilators-after-trump-called-it-overblown/)
Cuomo also shot down criticism by Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, about New York not using the ventilators they already have.
“Somebody said one of the cable news shows, the ventilators that New York needed aren’t even being deployed — they’re in a stockpile,†Cuomo said, paraphrasing Birx’s comments without naming her.
“Yes they’re in a stockpile because that’s where they’re supposed to be because we don’t need them yet. We need them for the apex. The apex isn’t here so we’re gathering them in the stockpile so when we need them they will be there,†Cuomo said.
So Gov. Cuomo demanded 30,000 ventilators. The Feds sent NY several thousand, and ... Cuomo stuck them in stockpiles, because despite the urgency he claimed, they were not yet needed. Now, that 30,000 number. It contradicts NY's own 2015 pandemic task force study, https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/new-york-modeled-a-pandemic-and-found-a-15000-ventilator-shortfall-2/2331057/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/new-york-modeled-a-pandemic-and-found-a-15000-ventilator-shortfall-2/2331057/)
https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1B70DidltlJL70fKc-qzOgSI6V0rfvq4yOo0KnhHMXCYjhTdf7cnxMKZg (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1B70DidltlJL70fKc-qzOgSI6V0rfvq4yOo0KnhHMXCYjhTdf7cnxMKZg)
As for, "I do not consider this problem in terms of political parties and no one should," take it up with the Dems, who have been trying to Katrina-ize this pandemic since at least the beginning of February. Reagan, GHWB, and GWB proved the futility of not responding to Dems' attack. Trump has chosen to respond in-kind.
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If you have stayed reasonably well informed, you should b full of facts that justify "real conservatives' concern about big costly government.
It sounds to me, like a pea and walnut shell game.
Who is responsible for masks, for ventilators, forr beds, for gowns, etc.
He is, no he is, no he is.
Fed.Gov, State.Gov, County.Gov, individual medical companies and hospitals?
Oh yes, they all are, and nobody is.
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@LegalAmerican
I watch Cuomo's update every day. Cuomo hid nothing. His medical people told him how many more ventilators/other they would need as the numbers climbed and he was getting supplies wherever he could to build a pile to have enough. He still needs more. If you watched his updated progress every day you would know this.
I do not consider this problem in terms of political parties and no one should. Democrats are sick/dying, Republicans are sick/dying. Instead of parties, see in your mind a stack of 9,267 dead bodies as of right now, Sunday, 3:30 pm.
They updated the infometer. 9,540 dead bodies at 3:43 MST
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https://in.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-stopped-48-hours-using-103100205.html
Coronavirus Can be Stopped in 48 Hours Using a Simple Anti-Parasitic Drug: Monash University
News18 5 April 2020
Amid a barrage of research on finding treatment for new coronavirus, Australian scientists have found that a common anti-parasitic drug killed SARS-CoV-2 virus, growing in cell culture, within 48 hours in lab settings. Ivermectin is an FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug that has also been shown to be effective in vitro against a broad range of viruses including HIV, dengue, influenza and Zika virus.
Published in the journal Antiviral Research, the study from Monash University showed that a single dose of Ivermectin could stop the coronavirus growing in cell culture -- effectively eradicating all genetic material of the virus within two days. "We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it," said study lead author Dr Kylie Wagstaff.
Dr Wagstaff, however, cautioned that the tests conducted in the study were in vitro and that trials needed to be carried out in people. ...
My emphasis.
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Dr. Drew apologizes for getting it wrong on coronavirus, then threatens people on Twitter
Apr. 5, 2020 9:33 am by SooperMexican
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That was the final straw. Dr. Drew took to video to apologize and explain why he got it so wrong.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-s5kM89DQ#)
Now I really wanted to praise him for coming clean, manning up, and admitting he was wrong. But then I saw what he was doing on Twitter. He’s making vague threats to people who post the video of his prior comments:
Article: https://therightscoop.com/dr-drew-apologizes-for-getting-it-wrong-on-coronavirus-then-threatens-people-on-twitter/ (https://therightscoop.com/dr-drew-apologizes-for-getting-it-wrong-on-coronavirus-then-threatens-people-on-twitter/)
Just hearing about this....
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They updated the infometer. 9,602 dead bodies at 5:05 MST
62 more dead bodies in just over an hour.
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I didn't know the Surgeon General was on with Chris Wallace on Fox today....
Fox News Host Chris Wallace, Surgeon General Jerome Adams Spar Over Pandemic Shutdown
Bruce Haring ,Deadline•April 5, 2020
Surgeon General Jerome Adams and Fox News host Chris Wallace sparred today over Adams’s choice of words during a Sunday interview on the pandemic shutdown. The conversation provoked an unusual amount of mudslinging online between the two sides of the political aisle.
During the conversation, Adams defended the fact that nine states have not issued shut down orders, and likened the coronavirus to cigarette smoking. Wallace leaped on that comment, saying one is done by choice, the other acquired.
Adams fell into word salad by talking about a report on tobacco cessation released earlier this year. “And we know that states have different laws there. And more people will die, even in the worst projections, from cigarette smoking in this country than are going to die from — from coronavirus this year. And so we always are struggling with trying to get information out to guide people that we know will help them be healthy with states’ rights.â€
More: https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-chris-wallace-223005407.html
Fox News’ Chris Wallace Challenges Surgeon General for Downplaying Coronavirus Compared to Smoking, Opioid Deaths
Jeremy Fuster ,The Wrap•April 5, 2020
“Fox News Sunday†anchor Chris Wallace denounced U.S. Surgeon General Vice Admiral Jerome Adams Sunday when the Trump appointee compared the coronavirus crisis to smoking and opioid usage.
While governors of 42 U.S. states have issued stay-at-home orders for their residents to prevent the spread of the virus, Utah, Arkansas, North and South Dakota, Wyoming, Iowa, Nebraska and South Carolina — all with Republican governors — have held out, even as some have ordered non-essential businesses to close.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the heads of the Trump Administration’s coronavirus task force, has spoken in favor of a national stay-at-home order, yet Trump has refused to issue one.
More: https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-chris-wallace-challenges-220255339.html
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I saw Dr. Fauci on one of the morning tv shows. He was asked about the malaria drug cocktail. He said there was mixed information that it actually worked. Everything I've read from experts including Dr. Oz seems to indicate that it does indeed work. Just wondering why the negative response from Dr. Fauci.
This is his moment in the spotlight. Effective treatment, and the 'experts' are not so relevant any more.
Ding! Sorry sir, your 15 minutes of fame are expired.
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It was known the malarial drug cocktail helped against SARS in 2003.
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Get this. About the first SARS outbreak in 2002
They developed a vaccine.
Whether a vaccine will ever need to be deployed is an open question. Sars was brought under control with public health measures, and possibly because it mutated into a less virulent strain. The vaccine was shelved and never licensed.
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https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1246984368331075586
Worth watching.
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04-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 2.962 ↑ | 5.108 ↓ |
| United States | 1.869 ↑ | 18.728 ↓ |
| China | 23.119 ↑ | 1.061 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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https://in.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-stopped-48-hours-using-103100205.html
Coronavirus Can be Stopped in 48 Hours Using a Simple Anti-Parasitic Drug: Monash University
News18 5 April 2020
My emphasis.
I have been using Ivermectin for Heart Worm protection for our pups for over 25 years now. 1:10 Dilution, then 1 ml per 40 pounds of dog weight. Your Vet may prescribe differently, and I do understand some dogs to show allergic reactions to the stuff. So be careful, and take Vet's advise. As far as usm It has worked well, as these montly treatments have prevented reoccurence, and no new problems with Heartworms (8 dogs)
I guess if I were in dire straits and other medical options were exhausted I'd use what I have on ourselves. I'd hope I'd never come to that decision.
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81,766 COVID-19 deaths in USA projected by August 4, 2020
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
This site gives state-by-state projections, but I have no idea whether they should be relied upon.
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81,766 COVID-19 deaths in USA projected by August 4, 2020
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
This site gives state-by-state projections, but I have no idea whether they should be relied upon.
Cuomo is relying on those projections. So far the IHME model has generally overstated most of the stats.
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81,766 COVID-19 deaths in USA projected by August 4, 2020
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
This site gives state-by-state projections, but I have no idea whether they should be relied upon.
They pushed it back a month. Last time, it was 80,000 deaths by the start of July.
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Cuomo is relying on those projections. So far the IHME model has generally overstated most of the stats.
Maybe someone can explain why Germany, a country with 70% LESS cases than the United States, has reported 60% MORE recoveries than the US.
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81,766 COVID-19 deaths in USA projected by August 4, 2020
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
This site gives state-by-state projections, but I have no idea whether they should be relied upon.
Well, they are screwy for ND so far. They are showing more deaths per day then the cumulative, here.
(3 cumulative actual so far, Projected, added together through April 5 is 30, off by a factor of 10)
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Healthcare in Germany is superior. That simple.
Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less. They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.
The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise. I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.
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Healthcare in Germany is superior. That simple.
Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less. They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.
The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise. I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.
There is one more factor.
At then beginning anyway, Germany was only counting deaths due to COVID-19 if the person died in the hospital, and if there we no underlying conditions.
That is what accounted for them having such a low death rate in the beginning.
With 80 million people, they have 100,000 cases now, which on par with the US 330 million population, and 337K cases.
I work for German company, and while their medical treatment is quite good, it's no better or worse than our own.
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Healthcare in Germany is superior. That simple.
Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less. They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.
The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise. I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.
The USA has the highest overall cancer survival rate in the world.
Period.
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Want to add more Chicom fishy data to this event?
https://forextv.com/market-news/only-9-of-the-worlds-top-100-billionaires-have-gotten-richer-during-the-pandemic-and-all-are-chinese/ (https://forextv.com/market-news/only-9-of-the-worlds-top-100-billionaires-have-gotten-richer-during-the-pandemic-and-all-are-chinese/)
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But over the past two months, more than $400 billion has vanished from the pocketbooks of the world’s richest 100 billionaires. That means all their gains over the last two and half years have evaporated during this crisis, according to a new report by wealth-list compiler Hurun Research.
Nearly all of the 100 tycoons lost money during this period, from Jan. 31 to Mar. 31 — lots of money. Only nine didn’t, and most striking, all nine are Chinese.
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Like the old axiom always says... Follow the money!!!!!!
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Want to add more Chicom fishy data to this event?
https://forextv.com/market-news/only-9-of-the-worlds-top-100-billionaires-have-gotten-richer-during-the-pandemic-and-all-are-chinese/ (https://forextv.com/market-news/only-9-of-the-worlds-top-100-billionaires-have-gotten-richer-during-the-pandemic-and-all-are-chinese/)
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But over the past two months, more than $400 billion has vanished from the pocketbooks of the world’s richest 100 billionaires. That means all their gains over the last two and half years have evaporated during this crisis, according to a new report by wealth-list compiler Hurun Research.
Nearly all of the 100 tycoons lost money during this period, from Jan. 31 to Mar. 31 — lots of money. Only nine didn’t, and most striking, all nine are Chinese.
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Like the old axiom always says... Follow the money!!!!!!
It would be interesting to see how Soros did during this crisis. Bet he is making money....
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I've heard bad and good about Bill Gates in the last few weeks. A lot of conspiracy-type theories around. Here is an article from the mainstream press, I heard something about this yesterday. He's also wanting?? What a 10-week lockdown I believe.
Bill Gates is spending billions to produce 7 potential coronavirus vaccines
The billionaire told The Daily Show the move will waste billions of dollars, but will save precious time.
By Joseph Guzman
Story at a glance
Gates said that at most his foundation would end up picking two out of the seven vaccine candidates.
That means billions of dollars spent on manufacturing would be abandoned.
He said it’s worth it, as the world is in a situation where the economy is losing trillions of dollars.
Microsoft founder and billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates said his foundation is funding the construction of factories that will manufacture seven promising coronavirus vaccines.
Read more at: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/491006-bill-gates-is-funding-factories-for-7-potential
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Healthcare in Germany is superior. That simple.
Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less. They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.
The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise. I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.
It only seems that way because in America every child goes to high school and in Germany only the best students do and the rest are sent to some form of vocational training.
If we only tested the top students in America, the comparison would be more accurate.
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"Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients"
https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/
The above is troubling...
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(Posted this on the Texas thread, thought others might benefit too)
Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and grocery pickups too for that matter. (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)
1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution in spray bottle. Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface. Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands per CDC guidelines.
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"Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients"
https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/
The above is troubling...
Yes, there is a lot we don't know and I don't think we want to find out too late.
Some of these are Chinese studies, so with those, there is a bit of room for disbelief with me.
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I understand @Cyber Liberty
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Don't look and you'll be whatever you already were...
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Dr. Fauci is the "leading expert" on infectious diseases and has served under six presidents. He is used to going through the protocols of research and testing and it seems to me, because of his background and reputation, he doesn't want to just go ahead and randomly suggest that chloroquine or hydroxycholorquine and other drugs will work in treating this virus especially since the drugs are being used off label. IMHO I think he's letting his reputation and years of experience interfere with telling the medical profession to use it as a last resort to save lives. There is a possibility that he is also perhaps letting politics play a role in all of this as well.
I first heard about Dr. Fauci when Reagan was President. He was one of the first people to figure out what was happening with AIDS.
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Tiger at Bronx Zoo Tests Positive for Coronavirus
Zoo officials said Nadia and six other large cats have developed a dry cough, but are all expected to recover
Published April 5, 2020 • Updated on April 6, 2020 at 12:33 am
A 4-year-old Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for COVID-19, the zoo announced Sunday. It is the first instance of a tiger testing positive for the virus, the USDA said.
Nadia, the COVID-19 positive tiger, was exposed by an asymptomatic worker, the zoo said. The zoo says "appropriate preventative measures" have been implemented to care for the cats and minimize further exposure.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/2360876/ (https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/2360876/)
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Healthcare in Germany is superior. That simple.
Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less. They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.
The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise. I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.
No it's not superior. Spent from 2010 - 2016 over there. It's a government run/mandatory insurance hybrid. And if you've got the $$$$ or military insurance you're good to go. If you don't have either of those the level of care depends on what you can afford.
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No it's not superior. Spent from 2010 - 2016 over there. It's a government run/mandatory insurance hybrid. And if you've got the $$$$ or military insurance you're good to go. If you don't have either of those the level of care depends on what you can afford.
Sounds a tad like Canada doesn't it?
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Sounds a tad like Canada doesn't it?
It is to a certain extent. It's the only care system I've ever seen where the family brings the patient food from the house if they want to eat on a regular basis.
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(Posted this on the Texas thread, thought others might benefit too)
Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and grocery pickups too for that matter. (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)
1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution in spray bottle. Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface. Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands per CDC guidelines.
Good info. Thanks!
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Just a fact for the need for additional hospital beds:
In addition to the fact that thousands of people are being hospitalized for COVID, part of the reason for the need for additional beds, and why health care officials are trying to slow the spread by social distancing and restrictions is because of the extended stay in the hospital for COVID 19.
The average stay in a hospital for a patient is THREE days.
The average stay for COVID is TWENTY days.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that increased hospitalizations take up many extra beds that would normally be vacated in roughly a sixth of the time.
While hospitals increase capacity and are using other facilities for patients, the social distancing we are doing is giving them more time and because of that saving lives, not only of the patients, but of the healthcare workers who are putting themselves in danger by caring for them.
So keep up what you're doing in staying home.
It's having an effect.
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@Bigun Dr. Birx is part of that group too.
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@txradioguy
Yeah! I know.
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From a Twitter Thread by Sean Davis of the Federalist shows how off the IMHE (Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation) models being touted in panic stories everywhere are extremely off.
Sean Davis
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@seanmdav
Replying to @seanmdav
On April 2, IMHE predicted that 4,158 people in Florida would be hospitalized right now due to the coronavirus. The actual number of hospitalizations in Florida? 1,572. The "new" IMHE model claims 4,037 Floridians will be hospitalized by th end of the day. Utter nonsense.
Sean Davis
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@seanmdav
Replying to @seanmdav
On April 2, IMHE predicted that 72,177 New Yorkers would be hospitalized today due to the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number? 28,092.
Sean Davis
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@seanmdav
Replying to @seanmdav
On April 2, IMHE predicted that 4,621 people in Georgia would be hospitalized today because of the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number right now? 1,296.
Sean Davis
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@seanmdav
Replying to @seanmdav
IMHE predicted on April 2 that 7,160 people in Louisiana would be hospitalized today because of the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number right now? 1,803.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/06/utter-nonsense-sean-davis-takes-imhe-covid-models-apart-with-examples-of-hot-spot-states-in-must-read-thread/
The notices for such high numbers are many and none of them are good for anyone except the politicians that will seize on them either way for their own purposes.
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It is pretty obvious the "models" are guesses. There have to be a whole lot of variables that can't be accounted for accurately. One being human behavior...
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It is pretty obvious the "models" are guesses. There have to be a whole lot of variables that can't be account for accurately. One being human behavior...
Another is accurate reporting of how a person died. Was the cause of death the virus. Or was it a heart attack and the person also tested positive for the virus.
In a lot of places if the heart attack kills you but you test positive for the virus...you go into the same stats as the people actually killed by the virus.
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It is pretty obvious the "models" are guesses. There have to be a whole lot of variables that can't be account for accurately. One being human behavior...
Dr. Acton here in Ohio is going to detail what "modeling" means later this week. She's been extremely reliable through this.
And one thing she said today regarding modeling is precisely what you are referring to here.
Human behavior can mitigate scientific predictions because it is humans who pass the virus to each other. When there is less human contact, there is less spread, and when that is sustained over a long period of time, less people than predicted get sick.
It's not that hard to understand, IMO, if logic is applied.....
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04-06-2020 | 20:45 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.016 ↑ | 4.924 ↓ |
| United States | 1.803 ↓ | 18.761 ↑ |
| China | 23.140 ↑ | 1.060 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recoveries are going unreported in the US. Fourteen days ago, there were to date over 43,000 reported cases in the US. For the sake of argument, let's assume worst case that all 10,000 of those who have died since Mar 23 belonged to this group of 43,000. That still leaves 33,000 who would have recovered after two weeks. Yet only 19,000 recoveries are being reported.
On Mar 28, the US surpassed 100,000 cases. By April 11, we should expect the number of recoveries closing in on that same number.
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Another is accurate reporting of how a person died. Was the cause of death the virus. Or was it a heart attack and the person also tested positive for the virus.
In a lot of places if the heart attack kills you but you test positive for the virus...you go into the same stats as the people actually killed by the virus.
As with most things in life, it's all GIGO.
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Another is accurate reporting of how a person died. Was the cause of death the virus. Or was it a heart attack and the person also tested positive for the virus.
In a lot of places if the heart attack kills you but you test positive for the virus...you go into the same stats as the people actually killed by the virus.
It's going to take time to assess all of that. Any conclusion being drawn one way or the other is by its very nature, incorrect at this point in time.
In some hospitals the deaths are so numerous that I would be sure that proper autopsies have not been given to those who died........ especially in countries like Italy, where the bodies piled up, and in NYC where the number of cases was overwhelming the hospitals.
So anyone outside saying NO. These people did not die of COVID, is not speaking with any kind of authority.
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Dr. Acton here in Ohio is going to detail what "modeling" means later this week. She's been extremely reliable through this.
And one thing she said today regarding modeling is precisely what you are referring to here.
Human behavior can mitigate scientific predictions because it is humans who pass the virus to each other. When there is less human contact, there is less spread, and when that is sustained over a long period of time, less people than predicted get sick.
It's not that hard to understand, IMO, if logic is applied.....
The modeling for Ohio according to the IMHE had Ohio suffering almost 2,000 deaths. It's been reduced to a little over 500.
It will go lower.
But the damage will already have been done. And no one will be held accountable for what the wild predictions did to not only the society but the economy as well.
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04-06-2020 | 20:45 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.016 ↑ | 4.924 ↓ |
| United States | 1.803 ↓ | 18.761 ↑ |
| China | 23.140 ↑ | 1.060 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recoveries are going unreported in the US. Fourteen days ago, there were to date over 43,000 reported cases in the US. For the sake of argument, let's assume worst case that all 10,000 of those who have died since Mar 23 belonged to this group of 43,000. That still leaves 33,000 who would have recovered after two weeks. Yet only 19,000 recoveries are being reported.
On Mar 28, the US surpassed 100,000 cases. By April 11, we should expect the number of recoveries closing in on that same number.
One of the reasons recoveries are hard to assess is that people who had milder cases and weren't hospitalized after a certain amount of time can be presumed to be recovered.
But all of that data will not be gathered until the bulk of the crisis is over.
One thing that is sure is that there are more recoveries than have been reported, just as there are far more cases than have been reported.
Serological testing after the fact is when we will find all of this out.
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Another is accurate reporting of how a person died. Was the cause of death the virus. Or was it a heart attack and the person also tested positive for the virus.
In a lot of places if the heart attack kills you but you test positive for the virus...you go into the same stats as the people actually killed by the virus.
If they hadn't got the virus would they still be alive?
There's a report a little up thread that 20% of those infected with this virus and required medical care suffered heart damage in the process. It's a messy deadly brew...
The numbers in the end will have to be cleaned up/estimated by the researchers.
Probably one of the few accurate indicators will be how much the total death rate changes day to day from before through to after this passes excluding non medical related deaths (murder, accidents, etc). If thousands more die than what is typical over this same time frame from previous years it can be attributed to this virus with some confidence. The death rate from car accidents has probably crashed in comparison...
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The modeling for Ohio according to the IMHE had Ohio suffering almost 2,000 deaths. It's been reduced to a little over 500.
It will go lower.
But the damage will already have been done. And no one will be held accountable for what the wild predictions did to not only the society but the economy as well.
That is one opinion.
But what if......... what if......... the social distancing is the very reason that the modeling was inaccurate? I again, ask you to apply logic to your view and try to understand that it is humans who transmit the disease and when humans are staying put, they are not transmitting, so the numbers decrease exponentially.
As for Ohio's economy, we will recover............ and we will begin recovering sooner because we were smart and stayed where we were for a few weeks.
The damage to our economy would be far greater in the long run if we DID have those 2000 deaths by now.
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1. Some 8 decades ago, chloroquine was a "patented" medicine.
2. Why would creators of a possible "patented" vaccine "push back" against a treatment?
3. The FDA has for a couple of weeks permitted "off-label" use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19. How is allowing its use for treatment "pushing back"?
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The modeling for Ohio according to the IMHE had Ohio suffering almost 2,000 deaths. It's been reduced to a little over 500.
It will go lower.
But the damage will already have been done. And no one will be held accountable for what the wild predictions did to not only the society but the economy as well.
That's complicated. What would have happened if no or little action was taken. We don't know. We'll only find out if other countries that get infected take a different route and have different results as a consequence. Italy certainly had a bad result because too many people got it at the same time.
It is too early to make definitive conclusions.
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If they hadn't got the virus would they still be alive?
There's a report a little up thread that 20% of those infected with this virus and required medical care suffered heart damage in the process. It's a messy deadly brew...
The numbers in the end will have to be cleaned up/estimated by the researchers.
Probably one of the few accurate indicators will be how much the total death rate changes day to day from before through to after this passes excluding non medical related deaths (murder, accidents, etc). If thousands more die than what is typical over this same time frame from previous years it can be attributed to this virus with some confidence. The death rate from car accidents has probably crashed in comparison...
As with every other post drawing conclusions from partial data, the accuracy of the conclusion is suspect.
We do not know with any certainty that John Doe, with a heart condition who contracted COVID and died, died from his heart condition, the disease, or as you have stated, that the disease affected his heart.
We will not know these things for months.
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No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858)
In France, following the results of a clinical study in Marseille, there is considerable interest for the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease, and the French Ministry of Health recently allowed the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease pending the results of ongoing clinical trials (3). In their study, Gautret et al. reported a 100% viral clearance in nasopharyngeal swabs in 6 patients after 5 and 6 days of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (3).
This rate of viral clearance was lower with hydroxychloroquine alone (57.1%) and was only 12.5% in patients who did not receive hydroxychloroquine (p< 0.001).Such a rapid and full viral clearance was quite unexpected and we wished to assess in a prospective study virologic and clinical outcomes of 11 consecutive patients hospitalized in our department who received hydroxychloroquine (600 mg/d for 10 days) and azithromycin (500 mg Day 1 and 250 mg days 2 to 5) using the same dosing regimen reported by Gautret et al. (3). There were 7 men and 4 women with a mean age of 58.7 years (range: 20-77), 8 had significant comorbidities associated with poor outcomes (obesity: 2; solid cancer: 3; hematological cancer: 2; HIV-infection: 1)
This more high-brow than I can read and understand, but it appears the latest study on hydroxychloroquine shows it only benefits the pocket books of those heavily invested in it.
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As with most things in life, it's all GIGO.
As I have been saying for weeks!
GIGO still reigns!
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No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858)
This more high-brow than I can read and understand, but it appears the latest study on hydroxychloroquine shows it only benefits the pocket books of those heavily invested in it.
How does one invest in a drug that's been in the Public Domain for decades? All the big pharma interests are on the side of stopping the use of the old Malaria drug.
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How does one invest in a drug that's been in the Public Domain for decades? All the big pharma interests are on the side of stopping the use of the old Malaria drug.
By investing in the companies who manufacture it.
President Trump announced at yesterday's press conference (April 5) the U.S. has stockpiled 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to (https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to)
Following preliminary reports of the drug’s efficacy, shares for Indian drugmakers Cadila, Torrent and Ipca each jumped, the Economic Times reports. Those companies can also produce the medicine.
While drugmakers aim to boost availability of the med, hydroxychloroquine is already in short supply, according to the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists.
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https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/ (https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/)
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en (https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/_pdf/-char/en)
Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies
Summary:
The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR1adodKPhWalV9djnerI2x_v1LGgGyhZZxpl0O5r-ZNyDdagqFq1rTCxXBqaeicfxgvypDOqKCZVyV/pub (https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR1adodKPhWalV9djnerI2x_v1LGgGyhZZxpl0O5r-ZNyDdagqFq1rTCxXBqaeicfxgvypDOqKCZVyV/pub)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0?fbclid=IwAR2JbbZU_Hl7uLjuOTDhrNnmczzyEFvnIhY8QHv9ghY5fYBvX0IsmnhD07w (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0?fbclid=IwAR2JbbZU_Hl7uLjuOTDhrNnmczzyEFvnIhY8QHv9ghY5fYBvX0IsmnhD07w)
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/bahrain-hydroxychloroquine-success-response-covid-19 (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/bahrain-hydroxychloroquine-success-response-covid-19)
Bahrain, Belgium report coronavirus treatment touted by Trump is working for patients
By Christine Dolan
Last Updated: March 26, 2020 - 11:20am
The Kingdom of Bahrain's Supreme Council of Health chairman said his country was among the first to use the drug and that its impact has been "profound," according to the Bahrain News Agency.
Dr. Shaikh Mohamed, who leads the National Taskforce for Combating COVID-19, was also quoted by the news agency as saying hydroxychloroquine was administered according to the same regimens as those used in China and South Korea.
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Meanwhile in Europe, another U.S. ally, Brussels, is reporting similar early success with the same drug and is taking steps to ensure its availability for the sickest coronavirus patients.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996)
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial
Philippe Gautretab, Jean-Christophe Lagierac, Philippe Parolaab, Van Thuan Hoang, Line Meddeb, Morgane Mailhe, Barbara Doudier, Johan Courjon, Valérie Giordanengo, Vera Esteves Vieira, Hervé Tissot Dupont, Stéphane Honoré, Philippe Colson, Eric Chabrière, Bernard La Scola, Jean-Marc Rolain, Philippe Brouqui, Didier Raoult
Available online 20 March 2020, 105949
Abstract
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Results
Six patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms.
Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.
Conclusion
Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin.
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By investing in the companies who manufacture it.
Indian companies?
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By investing in the companies who manufacture it.
President Trump announced at yesterday's press conference (April 5) the U.S. has stockpiled 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to (https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to)
Do you have evidence Trump has financial interest? The implication you are making is Trump is profiting, and my patience is thin today.
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Indian companies?
Is investing in foreign business not allowed in the US? I'm pretty sure I have some foreign companies in my 401K
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Do you have evidence Trump has financial interest? The implication you are making is Trump is profiting, and my patience is thin today.
I implied nothing of the sort. Take a deep breath and go read it again.
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Is investing in foreign business not allowed in the US? I'm pretty sure I have some foreign companies in my 401K
Do you know of any company that has experienced a sharp rise in stock price because they manufacture generic hydroxychloroquine? Mylan stock has dropped 17% since Mar 1. Bayer, Novartis, Amneal, and Teva are literally giving away the drug away, not exactly a profit reaping scheme. So explain exactly how this is some shallow snake-oil sales attempt to rip off consumers?
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Frank Fabian @FrankFabian63
So Hydroxycloroquine costs about 15 cents per dose, usually only 10 pills for full recovery. Millions of doses have been given to US for free. But the left thinks DJT is pushing the drug because he has a financial interest?
5:36 PM · Apr 6, 2020
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Frank Fabian @FrankFabian63
So Hydroxycloroquine costs about 15 cents per dose, usually only 10 pills for full recovery. Millions of doses have been given to US for free. But the left thinks DJT is pushing the drug because he has a financial interest?
5:36 PM · Apr 6, 2020
That's the implication.
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Trump is kicking azz and taking names, again.
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'We got so many bullets, we don't know what to do with them'. :rolling:
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Frank Fabian @FrankFabian63
So Hydroxycloroquine costs about 15 cents per dose, usually only 10 pills for full recovery. Millions of doses have been given to US for free. But the left thinks DJT is pushing the drug because he has a financial interest?
5:36 PM · Apr 6, 2020
Unbounded ignorance on display!
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That writer, Max Boot, he's not a real totally conservative writer, he wrote some nasty column. I'm not sure of his total outlook but I believe he acknowledges he is no "social conservative", so why call him conservative at all? Where he is conservative might come down to foreign affairs and I don't think one can define themselves as a conservative in that way. I would say, if you strongly believe in the Constitution is a first step towards being conservative. Anyway, try a news search, there is at least, one article I saw commenting on Max's scorching article.
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That writer, Max Boot, he's not a real totally conservative writer, he wrote some nasty column. I'm not sure of his total outlook but I believe he acknowledges he is no "social conservative", so why call him conservative at all? Where he is conservative might come down to foreign affairs and I don't think one can define themselves as a conservative in that way. I would say, if you strongly believe in the Constitution is a first step towards being conservative. Anyway, try a news search, there is at least, one article I saw commenting on Max's scorching article.
Boot is the definition of an "anti-trumper". He'w up there with David From...Jennnifer Rubin and Bill Kristol. Right now he's not "conservative" in any way shape or form.
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No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858)
This more high-brow than I can read and understand, but it appears the latest study on hydroxychloroquine shows it only benefits the pocket books of those heavily invested in it.
The study only had 11 patients, a very small sample size.
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Millions of doses have been given to US for free. But the left thinks DJT is pushing the drug because he has a financial interest?
As a general rule, any time the Left accuses you of wrongdoing, is because they are already doing it themselves. There is nothing financially exclusive about a generic drug already produced by multiple manufacturers in a competitive market. However, there will be a huge financial windfall to the one manufacturer who is first to bring a vaccine to market, a windfall that will be further enhanced if there is no effective treatment available.
Follow the money. Look for those connected to finding a vaccine. They will be the loudest critics of any drug treatments.
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Do you know of any company that has experienced a sharp rise in stock price because they manufacture generic hydroxychloroquine? Mylan stock has dropped 17% since Mar 1. Bayer, Novartis, Amneal, and Teva are literally giving away the drug away, not exactly a profit reaping scheme. So explain exactly how this is some shallow snake-oil sales attempt to rip off consumers?
@Hoodat
I think maybe I'm just not as big of a fan of Big Pharma as others here. I used to be an optimist, but I'm becoming more cynical by the day. When I see people pushing a miracle cure, before testing, I wonder who is making bank off it. When the GOP and the rats pass a unanimous $2T bill without reading it, I wonder what medical rules and expenditures it holds. I'm not implying the President, Peter Navarro, Senator Kelly Loeffler, or any of the drug manufactures in particular has less than altruistic motives. I don't have that the kind of imagination.
http://broughttolife.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/controversies/thalidomide (http://broughttolife.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/controversies/thalidomide) History shows the consequence of not testing.
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LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19
By ABC7.com staff
Sunday, April 5, 2020 10:48PM
LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.
Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for COVID-19 by President Trump among others, but it remains controversial as some experts believe it is unproven and may not be effective.
The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.
Read more at: https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
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@Hoodat
I think maybe I'm just not as big of a fan of Big Pharma as others here. I used to be an optimist, but I'm becoming more cynical by the day. When I see people pushing a miracle cure, before testing, I wonder who is making bank off it. When the GOP and the rats pass a unanimous $2T bill without reading it, I wonder what medical rules and expenditures it holds. I'm not implying the President, Peter Navarro, Senator Kelly Loeffler, or any of the drug manufactures in particular has less than altruistic motives. I don't have that the kind of imagination.
http://broughttolife.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/controversies/thalidomide (http://broughttolife.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/controversies/thalidomide) History shows the consequence of not testing.
I'm hearing a lot of the inventory is old, well, it can't be too old and costing $20 bucks a treatment?
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Frank Fabian @FrankFabian63
So Hydroxycloroquine costs about 15 cents per dose, usually only 10 pills for full recovery. Millions of doses have been given to US for free. But the left thinks DJT is pushing the drug because he has a financial interest?
5:36 PM · Apr 6, 2020
President Trump said yesterday the government has 29 million doses or enough to treat 2.9 million Americans at "10 pills for full recovery." We have 370,000 infected Americans tested so we are set for the next 2.5 million infections. I read millions of doses were donated...anyone care how many we bought?
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I think maybe I'm just not as big of a fan of Big Pharma as others here. ...
*****rollingeyes***** Feel free to refuse to use there products, then. That'll teach 'em a lesson. *****rollingeyes*****
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*****rollingeyes***** Feel free to refuse to use there products, then. That'll teach 'em a lesson. *****rollingeyes*****
I am 100% hydroxychloroquine free. I can't say the same about THC, nicotine, or Zoloft.
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The sooner you #Nevers start taking your daily dose of hydroxychloroquine the better off we'll all be. :beer:
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The sooner you #Nevers start taking your daily dose of hydroxychloroquine the better off we'll all be. :beer:
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@Mandrake Hydroxychloroquine is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.
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I'm really disappointed now, the COVIDS Gone Wild 2020 was scheduled to be released today. 8888crybaby
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I'm slowly going through today's press conference. I have heard President Trump fallback on it's Obama'a fault several times. He's been President for 3+ years. Just saying. Half way in I'm thinking this wasn't his best performance.
I miss Dr Fauci too.
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I watched until they pulled Pence off the bench, I thought he did well. A Reporterette keep bringing up this IG Hospital Shortage report and when Trump FINALLY discovered it was an X obummer IG, it was somewhat sideways from there.
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Live updates from the BBC from around the world ...
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52178501 (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52178501)
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Two Walmart employees at the same Chicago-area store have died of coronavirus - as one family files a wrongful death lawsuit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8194065/Two-Walmart-employees-Chicago-area-store-died-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8194065/Two-Walmart-employees-Chicago-area-store-died-coronavirus.html)
At first, that kind of freaks me out and then I think, well, Walmart must have thousands of employees nationwide.
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Not very cheery, there have been a lot of articles like this, not this bad but I heard one Governor say 40-80% of their state would get it.:
‘Everyone’ will likely be infected with coronavirus ‘at some point,’ California health official says
Edmund DeMarche
A Santa Clara County health official said Monday that her department will likely be dealing with the new coronavirus “for a very, very long time,†and at some point, everyone will probably be infected.
Dr. Sarah Cody, the director of the county’s health department, said that the state’s shelter-in-place order will “slow things down†and enable health officials to spread out those who are severely ill who require hospitalizations, SFGate.com reported.
“I just have to keep reminding myself that this is a marathon and we have to keep ourselves nourished somehow, and we have to keep our energy good.â€
More: https://www.foxnews.com/health/everyone-will-likely-be-likely-be-infected-with-coronavirus-at-some-point-california-health-official-says (https://www.foxnews.com/health/everyone-will-likely-be-likely-be-infected-with-coronavirus-at-some-point-california-health-official-says)
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No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858)
This more high-brow than I can read and understand, but it appears the latest study on hydroxychloroquine shows it only benefits the pocket books of those heavily invested in it.
That isn't what the quote said at all.
Hydroxychloroquine + Z pack=100% viral clearance in nasal swabs after 5-6 days (SUCCESS!)
Hydroxychloroquine alone = 57.1% clearance (partial success)
Neither administered= 12.5% (natural recovery, in the same time span)
What that shows is that in their small study group, the combination of Hydroxychloroquine and zpacks had great success, all patients cured, vs just hydroxy chloroquine (roughly 6 of 10 patients cured) vs neither (1 in 8 cured).
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That isn't what the quote said at all.
Hydroxychloroquine + Z pack=100% viral clearance in nasal swabs after 5-6 days (SUCCESS!)
Hydroxychloroquine alone = 57.1% clearance (partial success)
Neither administered= 12.5% (natural recovery, in the same time span)
What that shows is that in their small study group, the combination of Hydroxychloroquine and zpacks had great success, all patients cured, vs just hydroxy chloroquine (roughly 6 of 10 patients cured) vs neither (1 in 8 cured).
Well then it is a terrible title for the study. I wonder why the authors put their names on it? Also I picked the first text I could copy, I didn't claim to understand it.
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Well then it is a terrible title for the study. I wonder why the authors put their names on it?
Pulling that quote out of context doesn't let me see what the authors are saying when they make the assertion made in the title.
The quote just shows the results the French had, and those are promising.
Those results were included in contrast to the results from elsewhere which may have supported the conclusion implied in the title. Nasal swabs would be dependent on not being reinfected as well, it is possible isolation issues or contamination could account for differing results. As always, "More study is required".
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Walsh: We Have Become A Police State And None Of Us Should Be Okay With That (https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-we-have-become-a-police-state-and-none-of-us-should-be-okay-with-that)
Apologists for our newly established police state will tell me that states and localities have the authority to impose restrictions in an emergency. That is true, but the question of how far their authority actually goes is complicated, and in this case made even more complicated by the fact that these stay-at-home orders, in many cases, are based not on a current medical emergency in the respective state, but on models that forecast the possibility of an emergency in the future. For example, Minnesota is under a stay-at-home order despite having only 29 coronavirus deaths among a population of over 5 million. Perhaps the situation will get worse. Perhaps not. The point is that there is no current emergency in Minnesota or many of the other states currently under lockdown. There is, rather, a model that projects an emergency. And if projected emergencies can justify the effective nullification of the Bill of Rights, where is the limit? Haven’t we now granted the government the power to seize near-total control on the basis of any real or phantom threat?
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Walsh: We Have Become A Police State And None Of Us Should Be Okay With That (https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-we-have-become-a-police-state-and-none-of-us-should-be-okay-with-that)
A truly disturbing article. Thanx for posting it @Polly Ticks
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Very popular twitter account for Conservatives but he says this and this is outright conspiratorial... and I don't buy it that Bill Gates is, in part, at least, behind this whole thing. That is said in some places, too tin foil for me and he loses credibility with me at least.
Educating Liberals@Education4Libs
Bill Gates & the Cabal thought they could push vaccinations & microchip technology on us after releasing COVID-19 as a bio-weapon.
But that power grab is about to fail.
Soon everybody will know that Big Pharma & the Swamp Rats in DC have been covering up cures for DECADES.
https://twitter.com/Education4Libs/status/1247547453936631808
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A truly disturbing article. Thanx for posting it @Polly Ticks
It is, isn't it. I had heard some of the examples cited, but not all of them. It's pretty crazy stuff.
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It is, isn't it. I had heard some of the examples cited, but not all of them. It's pretty crazy stuff.
Don't forget about the ankle monitors Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer is having put on self quarantine violators.
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Senator Rand Paul@RandPaul
I appreciate all the best wishes I have received. I have been retested and I am negative. I have started volunteering at a local hospital to assist those in my community who are in need of medical help, including Coronavirus patients. Together we will overcome this!
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1247552136000557059
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Senator Rand Paul@RandPaul
I appreciate all the best wishes I have received. I have been retested and I am negative. I have started volunteering at a local hospital to assist those in my community who are in need of medical help, including Coronavirus patients. Together we will overcome this!
Awesome. Great to hear Sen Paul is healthy. Inspiring and uplifting to know Dr Paul is also volunteering at a KY hospital. 999999999999
I'm not braggin' or nuthin' but I prayed for him.
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Walsh: We Have Become A Police State And None Of Us Should Be Okay With That (https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-we-have-become-a-police-state-and-none-of-us-should-be-okay-with-that)
Thanks for pointing that out. I contacted one such projection website, which showed (solid, not dashed line) 26 coronavirus fatalities in this state over the weekend. There have been 4, total, so far in this outbreak in ND. The graph, if added up, shows a total of 29 fatalities, over 7 times the actual numbers. We'll see if they clean up the data.
In our State there are no mandatory travel restrictions, No stay at home order, and no restrictions on "nonessential" businesses.
People generally are following social distancing, aren't making unnecessary trips, restaurants and bars are closed.
A little common sense goes a long way.
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Thanks for pointing that out. I contacted one such projection website, which showed (solid, not dashed line) 26 coronavirus fatalities in this state over the weekend. There have been 4, total, so far in this outbreak in ND. The graph, if added up, shows a total of 29 fatalities, over 7 times the actual numbers. We'll see if they clean up the data.
The data will get cleaned up eventually. Long after things have gone back to normal and our short attention spans are focused on the next shiny object.
By then the damage will have been done.
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The data will get cleaned up eventually. Long after things have gone back to normal and our short attention spans are focused on the next shiny object.
By then the damage will have been done.
If then, but I am waiting to see if I get a reply.
There's a lot to keep track of on a website that covers all 50 states and the country as a whole, plus foreign countries, and I am hoping it is an honest mistake and not inflating numbers some place where no one might look. I sent them links to my sources (Bismarck Tribune and ND State Health Department Coronavirus website) to help them avoid such errors in the future.
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In our State there are no mandatory travel restrictions, No stay at home order, and no restrictions on "nonessential" businesses.
People generally are following social distancing, aren't making unnecessary trips, restaurants and bars are closed.
A little common sense goes a long way.
That's why I think a substantial amount of economic destruction would have happened regardless of whether government mandated "nonessential" businesses close or not. People simply would have done it anyway. So I can't lay all the blame for this destruction on government alone. We just have to work our way through this.
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That's why I think a substantial amount of economic destruction would have happened regardless of whether government mandated "nonessential" businesses close or not. People simply would have done it anyway. So I can't lay all the blame for this destruction on government alone. We just have to work our way through this.
It's one thing when people slow down on their own, that's voluntary, and those businesses find ways to adapt.
But who decides what is "essential" when the four kids staying at home run out of blue crayons?
It is another thing entirely when Government decrees, arbitrarily, what is an essential or nonessential business, and punishes people for keeping their doors open.
It's all back to letting the marketplace decide, and letting people, if they will, responsibly choose their risk.
Yes, people would have limited contact. Might not have gone to a cafe or restaurant if it seemed crowded, and likely would have avoided situations which would involve close contact--and that would have had an economic effect. But shutting down would have been up to the owner, to weigh the cost of keeping the doors open vs the revenue generated and any risk to customers.
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It's one thing when people slow down on their own, that's voluntary, and those businesses find ways to adapt.
But who decides what is "essential" when the four kids staying at home run out of blue crayons?
It is another thing entirely when Government decrees, arbitrarily, what is an essential or nonessential business, and punishes people for keeping their doors open.
It's all back to letting the marketplace decide, and letting people, if they will, responsibly choose their risk.
Yes, people would have limited contact. Might not have gone to a cafe or restaurant if it seemed crowded, and likely would have avoided situations which would involve close contact--and that would have had an economic effect. But shutting down would have been up to the owner, to weigh the cost of keeping the doors open vs the revenue generated and any risk to customers.
I'm not disagreeing with you. My only argument is the overall economic destruction was coming either way. Here in Arizona lots of places closed in the Phoenix metro area prior to the governor ordering them to. Liability etc.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. My only argument is the overall economic destruction was coming either way. Here in Arizona lots of places closed in the Phoenix metro area prior to the governor ordering them to. Liability etc.
I think Ducey's action, done at the behest of big-city Mayors, is stupid as applied here in Mohave County. My city has exactly one COVID patient. One. But all restaurants are closed.
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04-07-2020 | 20:14 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.090 ↑ | 4.663 ↓ |
| United States | 1.712 ↓ | 18.218 ↓ |
| China | 23.166 ↑ | 1.059 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 18,838
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
New stat added - US 14-day Recovery Deficit = Number of cases 14 days ago minus (total reported deaths and recoveries today). This is the absolute minimum number of people diagnosed 14 days ago who have neither been listed as dead or recovered.
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I think Ducey's action, done at the behest of big-city Mayors, is stupid as applied here in Mohave County. My city has exactly one COVID patient. One. But all restaurants are closed.
Gov. DeWine and Mayor Ginther of Columbus shut down the Arnold Classic (Schwartzenegger fitness gathering), March 4, before the first cases were diagnosed on March 9. There were none here, but epimiologists knew the virus had been seeded in Ohio.
Because of that, 250,000 people from around the world did NOT gather together in the State Capitol, and because of that and social distancing orders - schools, bars, restaurants closed - put in place earlier than any other state, the number of cases in Ohio is significantly lower......... less than 5,000........ rather than any of the projected models.
It may be stupid in Mojave County because of lack of population density (though I doubt it), but those orders are saving thousands of people from suffering and sometimes dying.
Think of it as evacuating before a hurricane, and it makes more sense. This is a very real storm (naysayers claims notwithstanding), and getting people out of danger is the responsible thing to do. Because Ohio's leaders thought everything through early on, though I am in the 7th most populous state in the country, I am much, much safer than I would have been without the measures they put in place early on (think Michigan).
This is not a "police state." This is shelter in a time of storm. Just like in 1918, when the threat is abating, the rules will be relaxed, and no one's freedom will suffer in the long term, but maybe their lives will be saved. (In leftist run states, they haven't had freedom before this, so what the goofy Governors are doing there is a non-starter in terms of debate. They're totalitarian states to begin with).
The closing of the Arnold Classic was a terribly difficult decision, but wise people made that call, and we are safer for it.
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This is not a "police state." This is shelter in a time of storm. Just like in 1918, when the threat is abating, the rules will be relaxed, and no one's freedom will suffer in the long term, but maybe their lives will be saved. (In leftist run states, they haven't had freedom before this, so what the goofy Governors are doing there is a non-starter in terms of debate. They're totalitarian states to begin with).
If you’re staying home because it’s been said it’s mandatory and you’re not doing it voluntarily and you’re not free to leave your house and conduct your daily normal activities it’s a police state.
Like 1918 huh? So did you behave the same way and advocate for the same things happening right now in 2009? If you didn’t then why not? I mean the H1N1 pandemic was worse than this.
Hell this years flu season has killed more Americans so far. Would you be advocating for the entire shut down of the country next year during flu season?
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I've got to say, I know what that "Arnold Classic" mentioned above is noteworthy, I use to read "muscle magazines" at one time.
Well, whether those bodybuilders (bbs) are clean or not is not the issue here, it was some sort of big sports festivals.
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And read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Sports_Festival
There would always be ads in Muscle and Fitness, which I think is one of the leading magazines though, there are a number.
All of that weight lifting, etc. is sort of interesting but I think most of those guys "juice".... except there is even a "natural bodybuilders" magazine out there... so some try to make a fair go of it and there are contests for them too, they probably get tested to make sure they are clean,.
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Gov. DeWine and Mayor Ginther of Columbus shut down the Arnold Classic (Schwartzenegger fitness gathering), March 4, before the first cases were diagnosed on March 9. There were none here, but epimiologists knew the virus had been seeded in Ohio.
Because of that, 250,000 people from around the world did NOT gather together in the State Capitol, and because of that and social distancing orders - schools, bars, restaurants closed - put in place earlier than any other state, the number of cases in Ohio is significantly lower......... less than 5,000........ rather than any of the projected models.
It may be stupid in Mojave County because of lack of population density (though I doubt it), but those orders are saving thousands of people from suffering and sometimes dying.
Think of it as evacuating before a hurricane, and it makes more sense. This is a very real storm (naysayers claims notwithstanding), and getting people out of danger is the responsible thing to do. Because Ohio's leaders thought everything through early on, though I am in the 7th most populous state in the country, I am much, much safer than I would have been without the measures they put in place early on (think Michigan).
This is not a "police state." This is shelter in a time of storm. Just like in 1918, when the threat is abating, the rules will be relaxed, and no one's freedom will suffer in the long term, but maybe their lives will be saved. (In leftist run states, they haven't had freedom before this, so what the goofy Governors are doing there is a non-starter in terms of debate. They're totalitarian states to begin with).
The closing of the Arnold Classic was a terribly difficult decision, but wise people made that call, and we are safer for it.
"One size fits all" is never a sound strategy. The "current crisis" is not an exception. People will simply refuse to comply if they think it's stupid.
What's good for The Peoples Republic of Maricopa and Pima is not good for Mohave, no matter how one chooses to slice it. The Governor did this because the mayors of Phoenix and Tucson demanded it for everybody else, when nothing was stopping them from doing it to their own jurisdictions. Classic leftist thinking: Punish everybody. If he wasn't term-limited, he'd be out of a job next election.
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If you’re staying home because it’s been said it’s mandatory and you’re not doing it voluntarily and you’re not free to leave your house and conduct your daily normal activities it’s a police state.
Like 1918 huh? So did you behave the same way and advocate for the same things happening right now in 2009? If you didn’t then why not? I mean the H1N1 pandemic was worse than this.
Hell this years flu season has killed more Americans so far. Would you be advocating for the entire shut down of the country next year during flu season?
Get some new arguments, txradioguy.
This is NOT the flu It is at least twice as contagious as the flu. The only comparable pandemic was in 1918. The cities that mandated social distancing had a significantly smaller death toll than the ones who let things go.
St. Louis is the example given of one of the smart cities in 1918. Now, I've been to St. Louis a whole mess of times (daughter lives there), and, let me tell you........ it wasn't a police state, and it won't be a police state after the greatest part of this threat is over in a matter of weeks.
Fear not, my friend. Life will return to the way you want it to be, with no further freedoms eroded in Texas or Ohio because we had to stay home for a little while.
Stay safe.................. whether you want to or not. You're an asset to this forum, and I wouldn't want you getting sick from this miserable virus, so take care of yourself.
That's what I'm doing, and I'm feeling good about it. :beer:
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"One size fits all" is never a sound strategy. The "current crisis" is not an exception. People will simply refuse to comply if they think it's stupid.
What's good for The Peoples Republic of Maricopa and Pima is not good for Mohave, no matter how one chooses to slice it. The Governor did this because the mayors of Phoenix and Tucson demanded it for everybody else, when nothing was stopping them from doing it to their own jurisdictions. Classic leftist thinking: Punish everybody. If he wasn't term-limited, he'd be out of a job next election.
I don't know what kind of mayor your guy is (is he a leftist?), so I have no idea what his motivation was. He had the freedom to buck the trend if he wanted to. His choice was his choice, and if it was stupid, he'll pay the political price for it.
That's the way things work in America.
DeWine will be reelected in a landslide.
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"One size fits all" is never a sound strategy. The "current crisis" is not an exception. People will simply refuse to comply if they think it's stupid.
What's good for The Peoples Republic of Maricopa and Pima is not good for Mohave, no matter how one chooses to slice it. The Governor did this because the mayors of Phoenix and Tucson demanded it for everybody else, when nothing was stopping them from doing it to their own jurisdictions. Classic leftist thinking: Punish everybody. If he wasn't term-limited, he'd be out of a job next election.
I agree. If the local hospitals are not overloaded then there's little need for heavy restrictions. The local medical resource utilization ought to drive whatever the local directives need to be to keep things below triage levels. Much lower than triage levels only extends the down time without much long term benefit.
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Get some new arguments, txradioguy.
This is NOT the flu It is at least twice as contagious as the flu. The only comparable pandemic was in 1918. The cities that mandated social distancing had a significantly smaller death toll than the ones who let things go.
St. Louis is the example given of one of the smart cities in 1918. Now, I've been to St. Louis a whole mess of times (daughter lives there), and, let me tell you........ it wasn't a police state, and it won't be a police state after the greatest part of this threat is over in a matter of weeks.
Fear not, my friend. Life will return to the way you want it to be, with no further freedoms eroded in Texas or Ohio because we had to stay home for a little while.
Stay safe.................. whether you want to or not. You're an asset to this forum, and I wouldn't want you getting sick from this miserable virus, so take care of yourself.
That's what I'm doing, and I'm feeling good about it. :beer:
For the record, I don't think we're a "police state" yet. Ask me again on 5/1....
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I don't know what kind of mayor your guy is (is he a leftist?), so I have no idea what his motivation was. He had the freedom to buck the trend if he wanted to. His choice was his choice, and if it was stupid, he'll pay the political price for it.
That's the way things work in America.
DeWine will be reelected in a landslide.
My Mayor is not a leftist, but he had to knuckle under because the Governor usurped his role. He's pizzed.
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Get some new arguments, txradioguy.
This is NOT the flu It is at least twice as contagious as the flu. The only comparable pandemic was in 1918. The cities that mandated social distancing had a significantly smaller death toll than the ones who let things go.
St. Louis is the example given of one of the smart cities in 1918. Now, I've been to St. Louis a whole mess of times (daughter lives there), and, let me tell you........ it wasn't a police state, and it won't be a police state after the greatest part of this threat is over in a matter of weeks.
Fear not, my friend. Life will return to the way you want it to be, with no further freedoms eroded in Texas or Ohio because we had to stay home for a little while.
Stay safe.................. whether you want to or not. You're an asset to this forum, and I wouldn't want you getting sick from this miserable virus, so take care of yourself.
That's what I'm doing, and I'm feeling good about it. :beer:
You keep saying this isn’t like the flu but keep using a flu pandemic from 112 years ago as an example.
Hmmm.
And I notice you keep skipping over a more recent pandemic. The 2009 H1N1
I don’t need new arguments because for one thing you refuse to even engage the arguments presented before you and instead spew out hyperbole and spin. What I’m asking you are questions...ones that seem to make you a bit uncomfortable to either answer or face because you are intentionally ducking them.
Why is that?
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My Mayor is not a leftist, but he had to knuckle under because the Governor usurped his role. He's pizzed.
In the Army we call that being “volun-toldâ€.
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I agree. If the local hospitals are not overloaded then there's little need for heavy restrictions. The local medical resource utilization ought to drive whatever the local directives need to be to keep things below triage levels. Much lower than triage levels only extends the down time without much long term benefit.
Exactly.
The motivation here has been to keep the medical resources available for the people most in need, to expand the capacity of hospitals and medical personnel, to get PPE's and ventilators and other supplies needed to care for the sick and dying, and to keep the hospital and nursing home staff healthy and safe.
It is for that reason that we, in Ohio, are staying home. We're not only keeping ourselves safe, but we're helping our hospitals and medical first responders and healthcare givers from having to deal with what they're having to do in NY.
It's an easy choice, which is why the vast, vast majority of us are willingly complying with the stay and home order.
We get the point. And we know it will be over sooner because we stayed home.
As far as I know, there's no Constitutional right to sit and eat dinner at Olive Garden, so we're good there too. happy77
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Gov. DeWine and Mayor Ginther of Columbus shut down the Arnold Classic (Schwartzenegger fitness gathering), March 4, before the first cases were diagnosed on March 9. There were none here, but epimiologists knew the virus had been seeded in Ohio.
Because of that, 250,000 people from around the world did NOT gather together in the State Capitol, and because of that and social distancing orders - schools, bars, restaurants closed - put in place earlier than any other state, the number of cases in Ohio is significantly lower......... less than 5,000........ rather than any of the projected models.
It may be stupid in Mojave County because of lack of population density (though I doubt it), but those orders are saving thousands of people from suffering and sometimes dying.
Think of it as evacuating before a hurricane, and it makes more sense. This is a very real storm (naysayers claims notwithstanding), and getting people out of danger is the responsible thing to do. Because Ohio's leaders thought everything through early on, though I am in the 7th most populous state in the country, I am much, much safer than I would have been without the measures they put in place early on (think Michigan).
This is not a "police state." This is shelter in a time of storm. Just like in 1918, when the threat is abating, the rules will be relaxed, and no one's freedom will suffer in the long term, but maybe their lives will be saved. (In leftist run states, they haven't had freedom before this, so what the goofy Governors are doing there is a non-starter in terms of debate. They're totalitarian states to begin with).
The closing of the Arnold Classic was a terribly difficult decision, but wise people made that call, and we are safer for it.
goopo
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You are right. Not the Flu.
Influenza in ND:
12397 cases (all strains) in 2020
18 deaths, likely underreported.
http://www.ndflu.com/ (http://www.ndflu.com/)
Schools open, all businesses open, no shutdowns for influenza.
No travel restrictions.
COVID-19 in ND:
237 cases
4 deaths.
https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases (https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases)
Mandatory shutdowns for schools, bars, restaurants, recreation, and entertainment businesses.
While nonessential travel has been asked to be avoided, it is not mandatory to do so.
Other businesses are open, at the discretion of the owners.
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You keep saying this isn’t like the flu but keep using a flu pandemic from 112 years ago as an example.
Hmmm.
And I notice you keep skipping over a more recent pandemic. The 2009 H1N1
I don’t need new arguments because for one thing you refuse to even engage the arguments presented before you and instead spew out hyperbole and spin. What I’m asking you are questions...ones that seem to make you a bit uncomfortable to either answer or face because you are intentionally ducking them.
Why is that?
Because I've already responded to the H1N1 situation. I guess you didn't read it.
We had a moron in the WH and a sycophant press who covered for him. The casualties were greater then because we had no leadership.
But I will repeat it because it is the TRUTH. This is NOT the flu. This spreads at least twice as fast as the flu, stays alive in a freezer for 2 years, has unknown complications and an unknown future for those who have had it, it had no treatment....... just experimental stuff now, and has no vaccine. All you have to do is ask ANY healthcare worker in the field, and you'll get that reinforced. Factually.
NONE of what I have said is hyperbole.
You can keep trying to trip me up with your faulty arguments, but you won't win, because the truth of the situation is on my side. I'm listening to the experts, not going with my gut feelings.
So unless you have a new argument, there's no need to waste bandwidth on this thread going around and around.
We're Americans. We'll come out on the other side of this just fine............ maybe better. The vast majority of us are in this together, and we'll beat it together.
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"One size fits all" is never a sound strategy. The "current crisis" is not an exception.
Consistency in an age of Americans taking fish tank cleaner as a medicine, is a sound policy. It is too easy to misunderstand what necessary means to 350 million people. Stay the f*ck home is clear to everyone.
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Consistency in an age of Americans taking fish tank cleaner as a medicine, is a sound policy. It is too easy to misunderstand what necessary means to 350 million people. Stay the f*ck home is clear to everyone.
Y'see, if everyone else stays home, there is no one out there to infect me!
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Consistency in an age of Americans taking fish tank cleaner as a medicine, is a sound policy. It is too easy to misunderstand what necessary means to 350 million people. Stay the f*ck home is clear to everyone.
Which is exactly what the good people of my rural County were doing, until the Governor stuck his fat nose into our business. It's one thing to do the right thing voluntarily, and it's another for the Governor of a State to step on the locals and force them to do what they already were doing. It fosters more disrespect of Government.
I woke up the day after the Order from Lord God King Ducey and said "We were already doing it by choice! Now I'm pissed we're doing it because we've been ordered to do it." I notice it did nothing to bring toilet paper back to the stores. it never does.
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Which is exactly what the good people of my rural County were doing, until the Governor stuck his fat nose into our business. It's one thing to do the right thing voluntarily, and it's another for the Governor of a State to step on the locals and force them to do what they already were doing. It fosters more disrespect of Government.
I woke up the day after the Order from Lord God King Ducey and said "We were already doing it by choice! Now I'm pissed we're doing it because we've been ordered to do it." I notice it did nothing to bring toilet paper back to the stores. it never does.
Me ML found TP at Kroger today! The world as we know it is saved!! wink777
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Me ML found TP at Kroger today! The world as we know it is saved!! wink777
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I'll be looking for it in about a month.
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Which is exactly what the good people of my rural County were doing, until the Governor stuck his fat nose into our business. It's one thing to do the right thing voluntarily, and it's another for the Governor of a State to step on the locals and force them to do what they already were doing. It fosters more disrespect of Government.
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I've only heard of two Americans who took "fish tank cleaner", that couple in Mesa (= Maricopa County).
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I've only heard of two Americans who took "fish tank cleaner", that couple in Mesa (= Maricopa County).
That is highly suspicious. She took a lot less than he did, and they'd had marital problems for years. That's a murder, IMHO. There are murder mysteries where somebody poisoned themselves with "safe" levels of poison, to throw suspicion off themselves. I really hope the Mesa detectives are digging into this angle, but I don't have a lot of faith they will. I know them, having lived there.
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I'll be looking for it in about a month.
You think it will travel in a Conestoga wagon??
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That is highly suspicious. She took a lot less than he did, and they'd had marital problems for years. That's a murder, IMHO. There are murder mysteries where somebody poisoned themselves with "safe" levels of poison, to throw suspicion off themselves. I really hope the Mesa detectives are digging into this angle, but I don't have a lot of faith they will. I know them, having lived there.
hahaha
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You think it will travel in a Conestoga wagon??
All I know is when a roll of toilet paper costs more than a gallon of gasoline something ain't right.
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You think it will travel in a Conestoga wagon??
It would have to. People are lining up at the trucks.
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Brit Hume
@brithume
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Well, Dr. Birx just said it. Anyone in U.S. who dies with Covid 19, regardless of what else may be wrong, is now being recorded as a Covid 19 death.
We will never know the exact numbers...only the exaggerated ones used to fit a particular Bill Gates "model" if this is allowed to stand has the official reporting procedure.
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Brit Hume
@brithume
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Well, Dr. Birx just said it. Anyone in U.S. who dies with Covid 19, regardless of what else may be wrong, is now being recorded as a Covid 19 death.
We will never know the exact numbers...only the exaggerated ones used to fit a particular Bill Gates "model" if this is allowed to stand has the official reporting procedure.
And how would you propose determining exactly what killed them? There is no practical way of determining it. Nothing about this is an exact science.
According to Google about 48.5% of the US population has heart disease. If one of those people that has had heart disease for years gets this this virus and dies two weeks later what are you going to attribute their death to? You could legitimately say both. But that person would likely still be alive if they hadn't got the virus. And could well have continued to live many years. Isn't it the thing that pushes you over the edge what "killed you"?
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And how would you propose determining exactly what killed them? There is no practical way of determining it. Nothing about this is an exact science.
How about we don't claim a person died of corona virus when the actual ailment that killed them wasn't the virus was heart disease or diabetes or a stroke just because they tested positive for the virus doesn't mean that's what killed them.
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How about we don't claim a person died of corona virus when the actual ailment that killed them wasn't the virus was heart disease or diabetes or a stroke just because they tested positive for the virus doesn't mean that's what killed them.
Again, how do you determine that? An autopsy for every one of them? It isn't that simple.
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All I know is when a roll of toilet paper costs more than a gallon of gasoline something ain't right.
Tonight, I saw two Charmin Toilet Paper Commericals on TV.
Looked over at my wife, and told her that was the biggest waste of ad dollars in human history.
His hiney might be clean, but in two weeks, mine won't be. :cool:
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Brit Hume
@brithume
· 3h
Well, Dr. Birx just said it. Anyone in U.S. who dies with Covid 19, regardless of what else may be wrong, is now being recorded as a Covid 19 death.
We will never know the exact numbers...only the exaggerated ones used to fit a particular Bill Gates "model" if this is allowed to stand has the official reporting procedure.
Not sure I agree with the exaggeration -- People who are infected with COVID-19 with symptoms severe enough wind up in the hospital. At that point, pre-existing conditions decrease the chances of survival because of the impact on already compromised health. Someone who is on blood pressure medication and their blood pressure is under control and then becomes infected with COVID-19 isn't going to go to the hospital because of their blood pressure, they will go to the hospital because of the severity of the COVID-19 symptoms. Those with pre-existing conditions make COVID-19 more difficult to treat as it has a more severe impact on someone's health that is already compromised.
I can only comment on the reporting in my state. The FL Department of Health lists the number of ALL reported COVID-19 cases and the number of cases that are hospitalized for each county and the number of deaths. Using my county as an example we have 439 cases, 81 hospitalizations and 14 deaths. The hospitalizations don't necessarily indicate that those patients are still in the hospital, only that, the figure given is for the number of patients in the county who have been hospitalized because of COVID-19. So roughly 18% of patients who have the virus are or have been hospitalized. The fatality rate is 3% for those patients who had confirmed COVID-19.
I don't find any data that would suggest that anyone dying, would automatically be recorded as a COVID-19 death; but logically if someone presents with COVID-19 and has a heart condition and dies from complications, I think it would be assumed that the cause of death would be COVID-19 and not the heart condition -- the virus exacerbated the heart condition, not the other way around. IOW the pre-existing condition is just that. The virus is an additional negative element added to that condition.
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How about we look at the average number of deaths over the same time period (let's say December thru May) month by month for the previous five years and compare that to this year's numbers and see where we really are?
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How about we look at the average number of deaths over the same time period (let's say December thru May) month by month for the previous five years and compare that to this year's numbers and see where we really are?
I think that's the only semi accurate approach. It would still take some data adjustments to make it valid. For example murder and accidents should be subtracted from all the data sets before making the comparison. Far fewer people are driving currently so the car accident death rate is likely far below normal for this period. Who knows what the murder rate is going to do with people stuck in their homes.
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"One size fits all" is never a sound strategy. The "current crisis" is not an exception. People will simply refuse to comply if they think it's stupid.
What's good for The Peoples Republic of Maricopa and Pima is not good for Mohave, no matter how one chooses to slice it. The Governor did this because the mayors of Phoenix and Tucson demanded it for everybody else, when nothing was stopping them from doing it to their own jurisdictions. Classic leftist thinking: Punish everybody.
You are correct. And the only thing this strategy yields is a delay of the inevitable at a massive economic cost. We can't quarantine ourselves forever. At some point, we have to rejoin society and confront the risks and dangers associated with the end of isolation, whether that happens today or a year from now.
We should learn from history. When a polio outbreak occurred in some town in North Carolina, they didn't shut commerce down in Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina. Our leftist one-size-fits-all response has been completely asinine.
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I think that's the only semi accurate approach. It would still take some data adjustments to make it valid. For example murder and accidents should be subtracted from all the data sets before making the comparison. Far fewer people are driving currently so the car accident death rate is likely far below normal for this period. Who knows what the murder rate is going to do with people stuck in their homes.
OK, let's take out traffic deaths and murders. I'll buy that.
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How about we look at the average number of deaths over the same time period (let's say December thru May) month by month for the previous five years and compare that to this year's numbers and see where we really are?
Hospitals are already embarrassed by the overall lowering of the mortality rate of patients because elective surgeries are on hold. Happens in Europe every time ther's a Doctors' strike.
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Levin summed it up perfectly last night. It’s time to put the Technocrats (Fauci and Birx) back into their advisory roles and stop letting them make decisions that have an adverse effect and impact on the country.
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Well, these guys ( IHME (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/north-dakota) ) finally corrected the dead total for ND, Instead of being over 7X actual, it is in line with the ND State Dept of Health numbers.
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How about we look at the average number of deaths over the same time period (let's say December thru May) month by month for the previous five years and compare that to this year's numbers and see where we really are?
Well @Bigun there's a lot of logic to that, but we didn't social distance for the past 5 years.
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Well @Bigun there's a lot of logic to that, but we didn't social distance for the past 5 years.
The social distancing is keeping the numbers way down.
It's basic logic. If the virus is transmitted from human to human, lessening the contact will slow the spread.
(I'm not sure why it's so important for some to say this isn't anything out of the ordinary. It's a bit weird to work so hard at it, IMO).
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How about we look at the average number of deaths over the same time period (let's say December thru May) month by month for the previous five years and compare that to this year's numbers and see where we really are?
Apparently US pneumonia deaths normally experienced by this time of year have basically dropped off the statistical scale during this pandemic. It seems they're now all being lumped in with the Covid 19 statistics.
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Apparently US pneumonia deaths normally experienced by this time of year have basically dropped off the statistical scale during this pandemic. It seems they're now all being lumped in with the Covid 19 statistics.
@txradioguy posted a thread about that yesterday:
CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397434.0.html)
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@txradioguy posted a thread about that yesterday:
CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397434.0.html)
Missed this thread, thanks. Three full months in and I still don't know what to make of this whole thing.
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Apparently US pneumonia deaths normally experienced by this time of year have basically dropped off the statistical scale during this pandemic. It seems they're now all being lumped in with the Covid 19 statistics.
Yeah! Strange isn't it!
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The social distancing is keeping the numbers way down.
It's basic logic. If the virus is transmitted from human to human, lessening the contact will slow the spread.
(I'm not sure why it's so important for some to say this isn't anything out of the ordinary. It's a bit weird to work so hard at it, IMO).
At some point, social distancing will be discarded and we return to normal, at which point the virus will be able to run its natural course of action. So the only question that remains is how long are we willing to destroy our economy and wreak financial hardship upon the citizens of this nation for the sole purpose of postponing the inevitable? The trade-off here is not worth it. Not even close.
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@txradioguy posted a thread about that yesterday:
CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,397434.0.html)
The CDC must also be telling hospitals that if people recover, keep it a secret.
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The CDC must also be telling hospitals that if people recover, keep it a secret.
Nah! It's just that the requirements for being called "recovered" are so stringent! Think an 80-year-old man must be able to run the 440-yard dash in under 2 minutes and then drop and do 25 full push-ups. /s
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At some point, social distancing will be discarded and we return to normal, at which point the virus will be able to run its natural course of action. So the only question that remains is how long are we willing to destroy our economy and wreak financial hardship upon the citizens of this nation for the sole purpose of postponing the inevitable? The trade-off here is not worth it. Not even close.
The "social distancing" rules should be regulated based on the local hospital utilization. If the local hospital has spare capacity the local social distancing rules should be relaxed. If the local hospital is nearing or at triage levels then local social distancing needs to be increased. The whole point of this exercise is/should be to keep hospitals from having to go into triage mode. It is a given that most of the population will get this over time short of a vaccine coming online. Once a hospital goes into triage mode the death rate for that hospital for all causes goes up rapidly because those who need care can't all get it. It is also no small thing to put people into a triage situation of having to decide who gets care and who doesn't. They have to live with that the rest of their lives.
That is the point and why how rapidly people get this virus matters.
If hospitals are far below capacity I'll agree that heavy lock down rules are incredibly stupid only causing unnecessary harm.
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Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf)
" ... When a death is due to COVID–19, it is likely the UCOD and thus, it should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I of the death certificate. Ideally, testing for COVID–19 should be conducted, but it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate without this confirmation if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty. ...[/quote]
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Say they died of other ailments but we are still seeing a rise in the death rate at least, per this article in NYC.
On a normal day, 145 people die in New York City. Last week, coronavirus alone killed over 200 per day
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-a-normal-day-145-people-die-in-new-york-city-last-week-coronavirus-alone-killed-217-in-nyc-a-day (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-a-normal-day-145-people-die-in-new-york-city-last-week-coronavirus-alone-killed-217-in-nyc-a-day)
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Coronavirus patients are being flipped onto their stomachs in the ICU — here’s why
By Emerald Bensadoun Global News
Posted April 7, 2020 6:02 pm Updated April 8, 2020 11:07 am
Some intensive care unit doctors are championing a breathing technique to help increase oxygen flow for those infected with the new coronavirus that involves putting the patient on their belly.
The new coronavirus causes a respiratory infection that can make it difficult for people who have COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, to breathe. This technique, which is a form of prone positioning, is aimed at helping people with symptoms increase the airflow to their lungs.
It was made popular by Dr. Sarfaraz Munshi at Queen’s Hospital in England, who posted a video of the technique on YouTube.
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Read more at: https://globalnews.ca/news/6788251/breathing-technique-coronavirus/
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Reminds me of an old Steven Wright bit: My Uncle is taking Lamaze classes. He's not having a baby or anything, he just forgot how to breathe.
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Maybe the concept of "postural drainage" will make a comeback--using gravity to help clear the lungs.
The idea being to get the phlegm out. (Hoodathunkit?)
I saw it reading medical books from before antibiotics.
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04-08-2020 | 20:54 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.139 ↑ | 4.535 ↓ |
| United States | 1.529 ↓ | 20.110 ↑ |
| China | 23.186 ↑ | 1.059 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 18,434
US Recovery Rate after 14 days - 40.2 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recovery rate = Total recoveries today / Total cases 14 days ago. Reported 14-day recovery rate for the rest of the world (excluding US and China) is 72%.
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Stealing this. Thank you!
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Stealing this. Thank you!
You're not the first. In fact you can still see the out line of President Trump's picture where the WHO logo was slapped over.
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U.S. coronavirus updates: Chicago jail is largest-known source of coronavirus
Axios
Rebecca Falconer, Orion Rummler, Marisa Fernandez
Chicago's Cook County jail is the largest-known source of coronavirus infections in the U.S., the New York Times reports. The White House has identified Chicago's metro area as a risk for exponential growth of the virus.
Why it matters: Public health officials have warned this would be a particularly deadly week for America, even as New York began to see declining trends of hospitalizations and ICU admissions.
The big picture: Over 1,000 people have died every day in the U.S. from COVID-19 since April 1. Tuesday marked the country's largest 24-hour increase in fatalities — with just over 2,000 dead by 9 p.m., per Johns Hopkins data.
Read more at: https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-west-virginia-first-case-ac32ce6d-5523-4310-a219-7d1d1dcb6b44.html (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-west-virginia-first-case-ac32ce6d-5523-4310-a219-7d1d1dcb6b44.html)
I never would have known though you do hear these stories about jails and inmates.
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More from Axios:
The pandemic and pollution
Bryan Walsh
COVID-19 is underscoring the connection between air pollution and dire outcomes from respiratory diseases.
Why it matters: Old-fashioned air pollution is almost certainly the single biggest environmental health threat, contributing to the deaths of some 7 million people a year according to the WHO, making it comparable to deaths from smoking.
How deadly COVID-19 might be is a function of a number of variables, from the age of a patient to viral load to how overwhelmed a hospital system might be. But a growing body of research is a reminder of the hidden health consequences of living with serious air pollution.
Read more at: https://www.axios.com/air-pollution-coronavirus-6a1dcc3f-41cc-4541-8d4b-0305c6346323.html (https://www.axios.com/air-pollution-coronavirus-6a1dcc3f-41cc-4541-8d4b-0305c6346323.html)
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April 8th, 2020
Massachusetts Issues Guidelines For Who Gets Crucial Coronavirus Care
By James Barrett
DailyWire.comThe Massachusetts Department of Public Health (DPH) released on Tuesday its guidance to the state’s doctors and hospital staff on how to determine who gets crucial coronavirus care should the system be overwhelmed by cases. The state’s guidance details how to determine a “priority score†for each patient based on both the individual’s likelihood of recovering and potential length of life.
In its “Crisis Standards of Care†for the COVID-19 pandemic issued Tuesday, Massachusetts’ DPH attempts to address potential questions that may arise on account of the virus, including if the system is overwhelmed due to an influx of cases, potentially requiring some degree of rationing of care and equipment. In such a situation, the state’s health officials say medical professionals should attempt to preserve the most life possible, taking into account how likely patients will recover and how long those patients are likely to live if they do.
The guidelines present the concept of a “priority score†for patients to help determine who to give critical care, including ICU beds and potentially life-saving medical equipment like ventilators, should it need to be rationed. ...
Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/massachusetts-details-priority-score-for-who-gets-crucial-coronavirus-care?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro)
RELATED: State Policies May Send People With Disabilities to the Back of the Line for Ventilators (https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/state-policies-may-send-people-with-disabilities-to-the-back-of-the-line-for-ventilators). Rationing. T-4.
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Flashback: Obama health care solution for the elderly
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rin4h4cRs6Y#)
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Study investigates if COVID-19 came to Calif. in fall 2019
If so, the state may have built up some herd immunity
Caitlin Conrad, KSBW 8 Published 9:51 am PDT, Wednesday, April 8, 2020
features remarks by Victor Davis HANSON
"MONTEREY, Calif. — Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
The team tested 3,200 people at three Bay Area locations on Saturday using an antibody test for COVID-19 and expect to release results in the coming weeks. The data could help to prove COVID-19 arrived undetected in California much earlier than previously thought.
The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.
As of Tuesday, the state had 374 reported COVID-19 fatalities in a state of 40 million people, compared to New York which has seen 14 times as many fatalities and has a population half that of California. Social distancing could be playing a role but New York's stay-at-order went into effect on March 22, three days after California implemented its order.
Hanson said he thinks it is possible COVID-19 has been spreading among Californians since the fall when doctors reported an early flu season in the state. During that same time, California was welcoming as many as 8,000 Chinese nationals daily into our airports. Some of those visitors even arriving on direct flights from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China.
"When you add it all up it would be naïve to think that California did not have some exposure," said Hanson.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if-COVID-19-came-to-Calif-in-15187085.php (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if-COVID-19-came-to-Calif-in-15187085.php)
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This article is solution oriented. about a 10 minute test of antibodies, to determine who already has imunity, and would be ready to safely go back to work.
If California already has people that caught it earlier, the same may well apply all across the fruited plain.
Note VDH remarks.
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Hard to believe this POS(speaking of Obama) was ever POTUS.
I do not like what I am hearing about the shutdown lasting 1-2 months more. Pure insanity.
The destruction of the economy and the end of lives to other factors other than the virus must be taken into account.
Dr Tom Frieden, former head of the CDC, forecast 1.2 million dead with the 2014 Ebola outbreak in Africa. The death toll was 11,323 from 2014 - 2016. The forecast by groups in regard to COVID19 are just as bad. I took a swag and said the death rate in 2020 would be 40,000 to 60,000 when it first broke out, when the high and mighty were saying 1- 2 million deaths. They then moved it down to 100,000 to 250,000, and now in the last day or two, revised their numbers downward again to 61,400 to 80,000.
I based my number on nothing more than quesstimate, wthout some fancy model. They are now down to the upper edge of my number, and I suspect they will reduce their number further. In the end, many positive things are happening. I suspect the real number infected is in the tens of millions. And with the passage of time, that number will increase. So many will be immune from this virus.
Next, where we did not have therapies in place to fight this virus, doctors are working with a number of therapies that are in fact saving lives. With time, doctors will determine what therapies work best in dealing with this virus. When my wife and I had it, and we were not tested for it, but we believe we had it, they were not offering tests for COVID19. We were tested for the flu, and the test was negative. I have spoken to many that had the same experience. No tests available, we had the symptoms, and weathered through it, as did many in the country.
The foot draggers Trump is surrounded by still do not have an antibody test available, and the people involved in that should be terminated. Having that data would provide critical data for informing the president of when to resume normal living. Right now, he has zero data on how many in the USA have been subjected to this virus. Zero.
The CDC is horribly negligent in preparing this country for a pandemic. Inadequate supplies, no tests for the virus, no tests for the antibodies, nothing. Trump talks about being confronted with wartime conditions when the CDC, NIH and FDA are approaching this outbreak like it is business as usual. Every time Dr Fauci opens his mouth, I cringe in disgust. How many people will die because of his normal bureaucratic mindset? Too many!!!
There is a German firm that is being ignored that has had an antibody test that is accurate. They can't get to first base with the FDA. The inaction by the medical pukes sure does appear to be anti Trump in nature. I'm tired of that bullsh*t!!!
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My home/birth county in Ohio, Mahoning, has the highest death rate of any county in the state.
I know that there have been nursing home clusters there, but these numbers are disturbing, and I wonder why the deaths are higher there than anywhere else in the state.....
Cases: 305
Hospitalized: 138
Deaths: 28
Because of early and strong defensive measures taken, Ohio has fewer cases and deaths than most of the populous states, but there is obviously an exception with the percentage of deaths in Mahoning County, and it is puzzling.
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Could a simple blood test for COVID-19 antibodies help reopen the economy?
Commercial labs are scrambling to develop and distribute serologic tests.
By
Anne Flaherty
,
Dr. Mark Abdelmalek
and
Lucien Bruggeman
April 8, 2020, 5:48 AM
"With a White House increasingly anxious to get the economy in gear and an approved vaccine for the novel coronavirus still months away at best, public health officials are hoping that tens of millions of Americans will have access to a simple blood test that can identify recovered patients who've developed some kind of immune response to the virus.
The idea behind the push is that people who have been exposed to the virus form antibodies in their bloodstream that may help them to fight off another infection. The hope is that the body's antibodies against COVID-19 can diminish the chances of re-infection. Theoretically, those found to have immunized antibodies could then return to work and help reignite the economy.
Commercial labs are scrambling to develop and distribute serologic tests, as they are known, in large quantities -- and the federal government is doing its best to expedite an approval process that is, under normal circumstances, lengthy and cumbersome.
Adm. Brett Giroir, tapped by President Donald Trump to lead testing efforts, said he is "very optimistic" that tens of millions of the tests will be available by May. And he says it could dramatically change what we know about the scope of infection inside the United States.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/simple-blood-test-covid-19-antibodies-reopen-economy/story?id=70024837
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The kind of people, employers, that will put America back to work are ambitious proroblem solvers.
Be part of the solution.
People that do things, not talk...talk...talk.
Faith and confidence in customer and worker safety is partof the challenge.
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Chuck Woolery, yes, the (former) game show host tweeted this article out: (https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1248024369999351808)
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret. - Blunt Force Truth
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.
The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells.
Read more at: https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret/
He hosts "Blunt Force Truth"; this is brand new to me. See his twitter: https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery
Chuck has a big conservative presence online.
But the article above points out how there is a lot we don't know about this... STILL!
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I've been hearing this too over the last 2 days:
3,200 Flights From China to the US
Posted on April 8, 2020
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The data shows that 3,200 flights flew from China to the U.S., including more than 1,000 flights that went to Los Angeles and nearly 500 each landed in San Francisco and New York – all three among the eventual hot spots of the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S. More than 100 flights from China arrived in six other American cities: Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, Dallas, Washington, D.C., and Newark, N.J.
Read more at: https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/3200-flights-from-china-to-the-us/
So, I give up, we restricted incoming flights from China but a bunch still came in. This is also similar to what I saw on the news about Europe, they stopped the flights but there were still tons of planes in the air and still flying. What gives??
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I've been hearing this too over the last 2 days:
So, I give up, we restricted incoming flights from China but a bunch still came in. This is also similar to what I saw on the news about Europe, they stopped the flights but there were still tons of planes in the air and still flying. What gives??
I had to go to the original article because, assuming they didn't arrive at once, I needed to know a time frame. That was from December through March, and there is nothing to show what flights arrived when.
The US did not close off our flights in until later in January, so were most of those flights during Dec. and Jan.?
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Could a simple blood test for COVID-19 antibodies help reopen the economy?
Good grief, they are passing this off as some new discovery or revelation? The only thing it will take to reopen the economy is for governors to stop imposing some inflexible one-size-fits-the-entire-state policies that do not allow for personal responsibility.
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I've been hearing this too over the last 2 days:
So, I give up, we restricted incoming flights from China but a bunch still came in. This is also similar to what I saw on the news about Europe, they stopped the flights but there were still tons of planes in the air and still flying. What gives??
That's not possible. My President closed the borders with China long before anybody even heard about the corolla virus. The media was calling him racist. It is certainly not racist to say your keeping some Chinese out but actually let them keep coming in anyways.
Libs Owned
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRH60gdoEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRH60gdoEE#)
Funniest 1 minute of yesterday's press conference
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That's not possible. My President closed the borders with China long before anybody even heard about the corolla virus. The media was calling him racist. It is certainly not racist to say your keeping some Chinese out but actually let them keep coming in anyways.
Libs Owned
Did he let them keep coming? I call falsehood. Please back it up.
Yes, maybe they kept coming but not through the president's fault. He implemented that policy to block most from coming in which Dr. Fauci said saved many lives. My gosh, how can one just go from posting one negative to another or how can one not knock China's roll in all of this?
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"One size fits all"?
Well, the governors are making some individual decisions per Nikki Haley:
"The federal government can provide crucial resources, but the burden is on the governor and her team to distribute them. No two states are alike, and blanket approaches won’t work," Haley, who previously served as a Republican governor of South Carolina, wrote in a New York Times op-ed piece Wednesday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nikki-haley-in-op-ed-says-coronavirus-response-mainly-governors-responsibility-not-trumps (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nikki-haley-in-op-ed-says-coronavirus-response-mainly-governors-responsibility-not-trumps)
Also:
Last Friday, Haley criticized the World Health Organization for taking “China’s word†in the early stages of the outbreak that the virus might not spread from person-to-person, citing a January tweet from the organization that said China had found “no clear evidence."
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Did he let them keep coming? I call falsehood. Please back it up.
Yes, maybe they kept coming but not through the president's fault. He implemented that policy to block most from coming in which Dr. Fauci said saved many lives. My gosh, how can one just go from posting one negative to another or how can one not knock China's roll in all of this?
3,200 Flights From China to the US
Posted on April 8, 2020
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The data shows that 3,200 flights flew from China to the U.S., including more than 1,000 flights that went to Los Angeles and nearly 500 each landed in San Francisco and New York – all three among the eventual hot spots of the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S. More than 100 flights from China arrived in six other American cities: Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, Dallas, Washington, D.C., and Newark, N.J.
Read more at: https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/3200-flights-from-china-to-the-us/ (https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/3200-flights-from-china-to-the-us/)
According to travel data previously obtained by ABC News, those flights translated to more than 761,000 Chinese nationals entering the U.S. and Americans returning home from the People’s Republic of China during that critical four-month period.
Thank you for your reply @TomSea China sucks. Their leaders have lied and they don't care about their own people. So what? Doesn't alivate my persistent cough. We lost almost 4k Americans in the last two days. When the deaths stop increasing we will all start looking at China, and our own government, and demanding answers for stuff like this with the benefit of hindsight and better information.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-pompeo/pompeo-says-not-time-for-retribution-against-china-over-virus-idUSKCN21Q3DH (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-pompeo/pompeo-says-not-time-for-retribution-against-china-over-virus-idUSKCN21Q3DH)
Pompeo says not time for retribution against China over virus
“This is not the time for retribution." - U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Wednesday
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That's not possible. My President closed the borders with China long before anybody even heard about the corolla virus. The media was calling him racist. It is certainly not racist to say your keeping some Chinese out but actually let them keep coming in anyways.
Libs Owned
Corolla virus? No wonder my friend's Toyota won't run for sh*t.
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3,200 Flights From China to the US
Posted on April 8, 2020
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The data shows that 3,200 flights flew from China to the U.S., including more than 1,000 flights that went to Los Angeles and nearly 500 each landed in San Francisco and New York – all three among the eventual hot spots of the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S. More than 100 flights from China arrived in six other American cities: Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, Dallas, Washington, D.C., and Newark, N.J.
Read more at: https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/3200-flights-from-china-to-the-us/ (https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/3200-flights-from-china-to-the-us/)
Thank you for your reply @TomSea China sucks. Their leaders have lied and they don't care about their own people. So what? Doesn't alivate my persistent cough. We lost almost 4k Americans in the last two days. When the deaths stop increasing we will all start looking at China, and our own government, and demanding answers for stuff like this with the benefit of hindsight and better information.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-pompeo/pompeo-says-not-time-for-retribution-against-china-over-virus-idUSKCN21Q3DH (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-pompeo/pompeo-says-not-time-for-retribution-against-china-over-virus-idUSKCN21Q3DH)
Pompeo says not time for retribution against China over virus
“This is not the time for retribution." - U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Wednesday
How about when those flights came in? The time block they are talking about is December through March, so, even a weekly breakdown would clarify what is going on.
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How about when those flights came in? The time block they are talking about is December through March, so, even a weekly breakdown would clarify what is going on.
@Smokin Joe thanx for your reply
I am pretty sure, right after McConnell passes the unseen $250 billion small business relief bill on a voice vote, he'll start investigating the executive branch... :pondering:
sorry I got that wrong. I meant to say I dunno what boondoggle Pelosi will pass, but the rats will be investigating President Trump's supposed ban on China travel really strongly. They will do it because Trump keeps bringing it up ever news conference as his actions at the same time he was telling America it's a flu.
But now you and I know 4k Americans didn't die of the flu in the last 2 days.
This is going to be a really crappy week my friend. Stay healthy.
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From the beginning, we were told that homemade cotton face masks would provide no protection against transmitting or receiving the virus. We were told their only value was in wearing them over regular hospital masks, which is why people started sewing and donating masks to the local hospitals.
Now the CDC has changed its learned medical opinion on the issue, even though I doubt the "respiratory droplets" followed suit. Can they not still go through the minute openings in cotton cloth?Q&A: Why did recommendation on wearing face masks change?
The Dallas Morning News | Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:41 p.m.
via Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (https://triblive.com/news/qa-why-did-recommendation-on-wearing-face-masks-change/)
After months of maintaining healthy people didn’t need to wear masks in public to prevent the coronavirus, the country’s top public health officials reversed their position last week, recommending everyone wear a face mask in public places where social distancing is difficult. ...
Citing several studies, the CDC said it changed its recommendation based on evidence showing the virus can be transmitted by people who are asymptomatic, or who are not yet showing symptoms or feeling sick.
“We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (‘asymptomatic’) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (‘pre-symptomatic’) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms,†the CDC’s webpage says. “This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity — for example, speaking, coughing or sneezing — even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms.â€
Disposable surgical masks are typically designed to keep what’s in a person’s mouth away from other people, which is why the CDC didn’t initially recommend them. Even with the new recommendation, the CDC emphasizes cloth masks primarily protect those around you. ...
But that's exactly what they told us cloth masks could not do! This isn't science anymore, it's just wishful thinking.
Meanwhile, people are going out in public with home-sewn masks, bandannas, winter scarves tied around their faces, thinking they're protecting anyone from anything. *****rollingeyes*****
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From the beginning, we were told that homemade cotton face masks would provide no protection against transmitting or receiving the virus. We were told their only value was in wearing them over regular hospital masks, which is why people started sewing and donating masks to the local hospitals.
Now the CDC has changed its learned medical opinion on the issue, even though I doubt the "respiratory droplets" followed suit. Can they not still go through the minute openings in cotton cloth?But that's exactly what they told us cloth masks could not do! This isn't science anymore, it's just wishful thinking.
Meanwhile, people are going out in public with home-sewn masks, bandannas, winter scarves tied around their faces, thinking they're protecting anyone from anything. *****rollingeyes*****
Or rather, it's been bullcrap all the way along.
The real threat is from surfaces, along with air and blood borne.. Like always. Which is why these quasi-quarantine attempts have been ineffective.
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From the beginning, we were told that homemade cotton face masks would provide no protection against transmitting or receiving the virus. We were told their only value was in wearing them over regular hospital masks, which is why people started sewing and donating masks to the local hospitals.
Now the CDC has changed its learned medical opinion on the issue, even though I doubt the "respiratory droplets" followed suit. Can they not still go through the minute openings in cotton cloth?But that's exactly what they told us cloth masks could not do! This isn't science anymore, it's just wishful thinking.
Meanwhile, people are going out in public with home-sewn masks, bandannas, winter scarves tied around their faces, thinking they're protecting anyone from anything. *****rollingeyes*****
The masks reduce the velocity of your breath and thus the distance it can travel before the virus sinks out of the air.
Out of an abundance of caution, I am covering my face with a folded-up shawl when I'm around people not in immediate family (such as in a grocery store). Folded up to four layers it can reduce things by half.
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Maryland releases race breakdown of coronavirus cases for first time
By Nathan Ruiz
Baltimore Sun |Apr 09, 2020
Maryland released information about the race of confirmed coronavirus cases for the first time Thursday, reporting that 42.7% of those infected whose race was known were black, 31.9% were white and 11.8% were another race.
Race data is not available for more than 20% of Maryland’s now 6,185 confirmed cases, but Gov. Larry Hogan said Tuesday he is directing the state health lab to report such data from its tests and “be as proactive as anyone in the nation†in pushing private labs to do the same.
Read more at: https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-coronavirus-race-data-20200409-ffim7y4bljcz3hjk4dmt773mp4-story.html?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=onesignal (https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-coronavirus-race-data-20200409-ffim7y4bljcz3hjk4dmt773mp4-story.html?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=onesignal)
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US Charges 2 With Terror Crimes Over Threats to Spread CCP Virus
By The Associated Press April 9, 2020
The Justice Department charged two people with federal terrorism offenses on April 8 for allegedly claiming they were intentionally trying to spread the CCP virus.
The charges, in cases in Texas and Florida, come about two weeks after Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen instructed federal prosecutors across the United States that they could charge people who threaten to spread the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus under the terrorism statutes because the Justice Department considers it a “biological agent†under the law.
“Threats or attempt to use COVID-19 as a weapon against Americans will not be tolerated,†Rosen wrote in the memo to U.S. attorneys and the heads of all Justice Department agencies, including the FBI.
Read more at: https://www.ntd.com/us-charges-2-with-terror-crimes-over-threats-to-spread-ccp-virus_453806.html (https://www.ntd.com/us-charges-2-with-terror-crimes-over-threats-to-spread-ccp-virus_453806.html)
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The race data is collected on intake and is voluntary. A lot of people choose not to answer race or ethnicity, so the numbers will never be accurate.
So the left's efforts to make this whole thing somehow race related will fail.....
As everything else they try does.
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I may get slammed for this, but why the racism card be played because one particular demographic chooses less than healthy lifestyles than others?
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New York hospitals discharge more coronavirus patients than they bring in for four straight days
https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-york-hospitals-discharge-more-coronavirus-patients-than-they-admit-for-four-straight-days (https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-york-hospitals-discharge-more-coronavirus-patients-than-they-admit-for-four-straight-days)
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The masks reduce the velocity of your breath and thus the distance it can travel before the virus sinks out of the air.
Out of an abundance of caution, I am covering my face with a folded-up shawl when I'm around people not in immediate family (such as in a grocery store). Folded up to four layers it can reduce things by half.
Cloth over your mouth/nose could also act as an atomizer making the water particles smaller so they stay in the air longer... Who knows... The virus is also likely smaller than an N95 mask will reliably filter. So the only way to find out these things is detailed testing.
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I may get slammed for this, but why the racism card be played because one particular demographic chooses less than healthy lifestyles than others?
No. It's a good point. Poor lifestyle choices create many comorbidities..... no matter what color one is. Though very healthy people are dying daily from this, the majority of people dying have other health issues involved.
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New York hospitals discharge more coronavirus patients than they bring in for four straight days
https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-york-hospitals-discharge-more-coronavirus-patients-than-they-admit-for-four-straight-days (https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-york-hospitals-discharge-more-coronavirus-patients-than-they-admit-for-four-straight-days)
This is very good news!
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@Smokin Joe thanx for your reply
I am pretty sure, right after McConnell passes the unseen $250 billion small business relief bill on a voice vote, he'll start investigating the executive branch... :pondering:
sorry I got that wrong. I meant to say I dunno what boondoggle Pelosi will pass, but the rats will be investigating President Trump's supposed ban on China travel really strongly. They will do it because Trump keeps bringing it up ever news conference as his actions at the same time he was telling America it's a flu.
But now you and I know 4k Americans didn't die of the flu in the last 2 days.
This is going to be a really crappy week my friend. Stay healthy.
Considering the criteria in some jurisdictions for attributing death to COVID-19, we don't know how many people died with it versus how many people died of it, nor are we likely to.
Considering the willingness of those jurisdictions to play politics with those deaths, someone who freezes to death in the streets who tests positive will go down as a coronavirus death, just to pad out the numbers and try to make someone else look bad.
I thought you were intelligent enough to not play that game.
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Considering the criteria in some jurisdictions for attributing death to COVID-19, we don't know how many people died with it versus how many people died of it, nor are we likely to.
Considering the willingness of those jurisdictions to play politics with those deaths, someone who freezes to death in the streets who tests positive will go down as a coronavirus death, just to pad out the numbers and try to make someone else look bad.
I thought you were intelligent enough to not play that game.
How many of the 16,000 dead are crisis actors and does the President know about this? He keeps feeding me disinformation daily.
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How many of the 16,000 dead are crisis actors and does the President know about this? He keeps feeding me disinformation daily.
That gobbet of Horse Manure is bad, even for you.
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This is a game-changer:
The Trump Admin will allow retail pharmacies to begin administering COVID19 tests @OANN will have on the CEO of the National Association of Chain Drug Stores to explain what this means
Tune in, folks!— Jack M. Posobiec, IWO (@JackPosobiec) April 9, 2020
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The White House will now be administering COVID-19 tests to all journalists who will be present at the daily briefing with @realDonaldTrump, per @whca and the @WhiteHouse— Jeff Mason (@jeffmason1) April 9, 2020
Oh, to be a fly on the wall .... 88devil
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BREAKING: Department of Health and Human Services has issued authorization for licensed retail pharmacies to begin ordering and administering COVID19 tests - @OANN— Jack M. Posobiec, IWO (@JackPosobiec) April 9, 2020
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Just rolled into New Orleans airport. The place is virtually deserted except for 17 TSA agents all bunched up together manning the lone check point. None of them were wearing masks or gloves. All were within 3' of each other.
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Today's briefing is delayed because POTUS is/was on a conference call with Russia and Saudi Arabia. New start time: 6:30 pm ET
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Just rolled into New Orleans airport. The place is virtually deserted except for 17 TSA agents all bunched up together manning the lone check point. None of them were wearing masks or gloves. All were within 3' of each other.
Idiots. We had a TSA agent at our local airport test positive for COVID-19. First time in weeks I actually ventured out to the store. I had on an anti-viral mask covering my face from just above my nose to just below my chin and gloves. The store was clearly marked as to the distance people needed to be to correctly social distance from one another. Very few adhered to the social distancing markers, even fewer wore something around their nose and mouths and two wore bandanas around their mouth but left their nose exposed. I had gone to the doctors and thought that since I was out, I'd stop at the store...nope...not going out again for awhile. Too many people who are doing nothing to protect themselves or protect others. Very inconsiderate.
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Here in CT the governor just extended the "stay at home" and business closures to May 21. Got the message via pre-recorded phone a little while ago.
I think schools are all "closed for the season".
We'll see if they open in September...
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Here in CT the governor just extended the "stay at home" and business closures to May 21. Got the message via pre-recorded phone a little while ago.
I think schools are all "closed for the season".
We'll see if they open in September...
Pennsylvania schools are closed for the rest of the (usual) school year, too.
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IHME_UW @IHME_UW
New data from several states indicates a decline in the overall deaths we predict for the US. It’s important to note that our forecasts range from 126,703 to 31,221 deaths. As data comes in, our estimates will change, much like weather forecasts adjust. http://ms.spr.ly/6014TeCpg (http://ms.spr.ly/6014TeCpg)
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1:30 PM · Apr 9, 2020
So tomorrow's weather will be sunny, with highs in the low-70s. Or snowing. And sub-zero. Or 123 degrees.
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So tomorrow's weather will be sunny, with highs in the low-70s. Or snowing. And sub-zero. Or 123 degrees.
Yep! You got it!
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I may get slammed for this, but why the racism card be played because one particular demographic chooses less than healthy lifestyles than others?
On the presumption you are a middle-aged, educated, career working White Man EVERYTHING is your fault. It doesn't matter if it is racism, income inequality, gender bias, etc.
The sooner you just stop trying the sooner this world can go completely to shit and after they have destroyed themselves you can start again.
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So tomorrow's weather will be sunny, with highs in the low-70s. Or snowing. And sub-zero. Or 123 degrees.
Like they say here. Don't like the weather? Wait ten minutes.
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One thing is for sure. They are eager to tally cases and deaths, but reluctant to tally recoveries here in the US.
04-09-2020 | 23:23 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.344 ↑ | 4.158 ↓ |
| United States | 1.520 ↓ | 18.512 ↓ |
| China | 23.199 ↑ | 1.058 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 33,961
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 33.2 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Two-thirds of cased diagnosed 14 days ago remain categorized as active by default.
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Lady from Amarillo contracted virus on overseas trip, hydroxychloroquine cured it...excerpted for copyright reasons:
“It was the worst 2 weeks of my lifeâ€: Woman recovers from coronavirus
By Cassie Stafford | April 2, 2020 at 10:11 PM EDT - Updated April 4 at 11:11 PM
...
“I started getting a really bad headache,†said Taylor. “Then the headache went from a cough, to sore throat, to nausea, to really bad fatigue… real bad fatigue. It just continually, progressively got worse. [I also had] a low grade fever. The low grade fever was like 99 to 100 for about six days, and then day six was when it got really bad.â€
It wasn’t until she was given hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat Malaria, that things started looking up.
“After I started taking the Malaria medicine, I started to feel a lot better,†she said. “Like, the next day.â€
Read more at: https://www.nbc12.com/2020/04/03/it-was-worst-weeks-my-life-woman-recovers-coronavirus/ (https://www.nbc12.com/2020/04/03/it-was-worst-weeks-my-life-woman-recovers-coronavirus/)
There really shouldn't be much controversy about it.
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Fake cops stop drivers for violating coronavirus stay-at-home orders
Trevor Hughes USA TODAY
GREELEY, Colo. – Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams shakes his head in confusion: Somewhere out in his county, a guy with flashing lights on his Dodge Charger has been stopping drivers and warning them they're violating coronavirus-related travel restrictions.
Whoever is stopping the cars isn't one of Ream's deputies. Instead, the police impersonator is breaking the law and putting himself at extreme risk, because traffic stops are among the most dangerous things most law enforcement officers do. The stops happened several times in March.
"For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would want to do this," Reams says. "I don't think there's a law enforcement agency in the state that has time to do that kind of thing."
More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/08/coronavirus-stay-home-orders-see-fake-cops-go-after-motorists/5099762002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/08/coronavirus-stay-home-orders-see-fake-cops-go-after-motorists/5099762002/)
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Candace Owens
@RealCandaceO
Two weeks ago I told you all that India was the country to watch as millions of their workers were stranded along the railroad—no means of social distancing.
India has just 169 deaths. Reported its first case in January.
BUT IT’S 10 TIMES MORE DEADLY THAN THE FLU, BRO!
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1248361153731932161
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Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump
The White House Press Conference will take place today at 1:00 P.M., recognizing that it is Good Friday!
7:35 AM - Apr 10, 2020
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India is on a steep incline:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/)
A lot of people have been concerned about it and India imposed strict draconian measures, probably more severe than what we have done. Staying in the home means exactly that.
'We will die': Andhra doc who alleged shortage of masks, PPE in viral video suspended
"We will die. Why won't there be positive cases (among medical staff)? They are not giving minimum importance to the medical department," the doctor had said in the video.
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https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/we-will-die-andhra-doc-who-alleged-shortage-masks-ppe-viral-video-suspended-122185 (https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/we-will-die-andhra-doc-who-alleged-shortage-masks-ppe-viral-video-suspended-122185)
Prof. Steve Hanke
@steve_hanke
#Modi's #LockdownWithoutPlan creates more problems than it cures. Migrant workers are without #Food or shelter. 100M workers have lost their #Jobs. For people who need their jobs to make it to the next day, a #Lockdown is more terrifying than #Coronavirus.
https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1248409107595513856 (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1248409107595513856)
In South Asia, there is no safety net against the pandemic
By Suddaf Chaudry Follow @@suddafchaudry
Nearly one fifth of the world’s people – 1.3 billion – live in India, the second most populous country in the world and, despite its huge size, more densely populated than Japan. The lockdown imposed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on 24 March would always have posed a great challenge, but it has been further complicated by the economic outlook. In recent years, rapid growth has increased living standards for many, but now, like elsewhere, the coronavirus crisis looks likely to cause the greatest suffering to the poorest and most disadvantaged.
There are currently 5,194 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in India, but only around 100,000 tests – one for every 12,500 people – have been performed. India already has the largest cohort of people in the world living with respiratory disease, thanks primarily to its chronic air pollution and high rates of tuberculosis. Accordingly, the government has chosen to treat coronavirus as a national disaster, calling on its National Disaster Management Authority, which is tasked with disaster mitigation planning for events such as flooding, drought, and terrorism, as well as possible nuclear attack and biological disaster. “India is at a critical stage and even a single misstep could lead to the deadly virus spreading like wildfire,†said Modi as he introduced the lockdown. “If we continue to be negligent, India will have to pay a heavy price.â€
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/asia/2020/04/south-asia-there-no-safety-net-against-pandemic (https://www.newstatesman.com/world/asia/2020/04/south-asia-there-no-safety-net-against-pandemic)
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This has become a political football, sad, maybe necessary at times. I know a lot of Trump blaming goes on but 36% of cases in NY I believe I read... but anyway....
San Francisco’s mayor did everything de Blasio didn’t to fight coronavirus
By Connor Harris
April 9, 2020 | 7:40pm
New York City is now the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic in the United States. As of Thursday, there were some 160,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New York state and more than 7,000 deaths — 43 percent of the Ânational toll. Most of these cases have occurred in Gotham and its suburbs.
Other urban areas, however, have performed much better than we have. The Bay Area, for example, has about the same population as New York City, but only 115 deaths from the coronavirus. San Francisco proper has seen only 10 deaths so far, about 2 percent of the per-capita rate in New York.
New York and San Francisco are both major urban centers, so why did we do so much worse? Why are their infection rates so different? New York’s density is likely one part of it. As is the fact that the Big Apple receives many more visitors from abroad. But leadership is a big part of the equation, too.
More: https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/san-franciscos-mayor-did-everything-de-blasio-didnt-to-fight-coronavirus/
So, maybe SF scores high on this.
FAIL TO PREPARE, PREPARE TO FAIL
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It will be interesting to see how SF does. They have a huge homeless problem. This could present a problem.
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SF Bay Area Counties went to Shelter-in-Place in mid March. The Bay Area SiP and the subsequent statewide SiP are not super stringent (I'm "essential" because I do something essential at my employer who provides products and services to various essential industries and orgs). While Mayor de Blah-Blah went #Resist, urging NYCers to party on, the SF Bay Area was newly under SiP order. And while the SF Bay Area does have BART, trains, light rail, and buses, cars are still the main means of transportation for many.
Mayor de Blah-Blah and Goobernor Cumo pooed the screwch by going #Resist instead of urging people to act responsibly.
Corrected memory fart
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"Yes, social distancing is good to stop the spread of COVID, but we know that isolation is bad for almost every other disease you can name out there — depression, domestic violence, heart disease, substance abuse — all these things are worse."
—Jerome Adams, U.S. Surgeon General
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-says-most-of-the-country-will-not-be-able-to-open-by-may-1/ar-BB12rLcR (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-says-most-of-the-country-will-not-be-able-to-open-by-may-1/ar-BB12rLcR)
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"A (possible) solution to COVID-19"
https://www.tillett.info/2020/04/05/a-solution-to-covid-19/ (https://www.tillett.info/2020/04/05/a-solution-to-covid-19/)
Important read.
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"Yes, social distancing is good to stop the spread of COVID, but we know that isolation is bad for almost every other disease you can name out there — depression, domestic violence, heart disease, substance abuse — all these things are worse."
—Jerome Adams, U.S. Surgeon General
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-says-most-of-the-country-will-not-be-able-to-open-by-may-1/ar-BB12rLcR (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-says-most-of-the-country-will-not-be-able-to-open-by-may-1/ar-BB12rLcR)
:hands:
What we need is a national model showing the effects of a sustained societal shutdown for one, two, three months in terms of suicides, cases of depression, domestic abuse, bankruptcy, etc.
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"Yes, social distancing is good to stop the spread of COVID, but we know that isolation is bad for almost every other disease you can name out there — depression, domestic violence, heart disease, substance abuse — all these things are worse."
—Jerome Adams, U.S. Surgeon General
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-says-most-of-the-country-will-not-be-able-to-open-by-may-1/ar-BB12rLcR (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/surgeon-general-jerome-adams-says-most-of-the-country-will-not-be-able-to-open-by-may-1/ar-BB12rLcR)
:hands:
I would say if the President follows his advice about not "opening the country" on May 1, he will lose in November, taking the House and Senate down with him. The civil disobedience will start on 5/2 and render any further attempts to isolate the people pointless.
You heard it here first....
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"A (possible) solution to COVID-19"
https://www.tillett.info/2020/04/05/a-solution-to-covid-19/ (https://www.tillett.info/2020/04/05/a-solution-to-covid-19/)
Important read.
Thanks @DB, I agree that is important information.
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Thanks @DB, I agree that is important information.
It's a shame there are a thousand hooks in that for the Press to hang "Trump lied, people died!" on the President. Too technical. Otherwise, I think it's a good plan.
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I would say if the President follows his advice about not "opening the country" on May 1, he will lose in November, taking the House and Senate down with him. The civil disobedience will start on 5/2 and render any further attempts to isolate the people pointless.
You heard it here first....
??? Not quite so sure I agree with this. The masses have already had fear instilled in them over this virus and will continue to comply.
My other thought; IMHO, other than in NY and a couple of other states that have been hit hard by the virus; herd immunity has not been acquired ... once the country is re-opened by the "order" of the President, I think we may see much more sickness and death and he WILL be blamed for those deaths because he opened the country up to soon. This is a no win situation for him; unless the numbers being reported and the projections are very accurate and deaths from the virus are kept to a minimum (or at least not reported).
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I would say if the President follows his advice about not "opening the country" on May 1, he will lose in November, taking the House and Senate down with him. The civil disobedience will start on 5/2 and render any further attempts to isolate the people pointless.
You heard it here first....
??? Not quite so sure I agree with this. The masses have already had fear instilled in them over this virus and will continue to comply.
My other thought; IMHO, other than in NY and a couple of other states that have been hit hard by the virus; herd immunity has not been acquired ... once the country is re-opened by the "order" of the President, I think we may see much more sickness and death and he WILL be blamed for those deaths because he opened the country up to soon. This is a no win situation for him; unless the numbers being reported and the projections are very accurate and deaths from the virus are kept to a minimum (or at least not reported).
All I'll say is both of these are well-thought out posts going to the crux of the matter.
I tend to think we will re-open.
Hopefully, IF we are as in good of shape as say, Taiwan.
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??? Not quite so sure I agree with this. The masses have already had fear instilled in them over this virus and will continue to comply.
My other thought; IMHO, other than in NY and a couple of other states that have been hit hard by the virus; herd immunity has not been acquired ... once the country is re-opened by the "order" of the President, I think we may see much more sickness and death and he WILL be blamed for those deaths because he opened the country up to soon. This is a no win situation for him; unless the numbers being reported and the projections are very accurate and deaths from the virus are kept to a minimum (or at least not reported).
You can rely on the Dem media to scream bloody murder about "Trump's victims" if any restrictions are lifted 5/1, because they are counting on a destroyed economy to defeat Trump in November. Another 30 days will cause a lot more damage, especially if it's perceived they've been cooking the books on the numbers, which it's becoming painfully obvious they did in most parts of the country.
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"Yes, social distancing is good to stop the spread of COVID, but we know that isolation is bad for almost every other disease you can name out there — depression, domestic violence, heart disease, substance abuse — all these things are worse."
—Jerome Adams, U.S. Surgeon General
My substance abuse has gotten way better. 0005
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You can rely on the Dem media to scream bloody murder about "Trump's victims" if any restrictions are lifted 5/1, because they are counting on a destroyed economy to defeat Trump in November. Another 30 days will cause a lot more damage, especially if it's perceived they've been cooking the books on the numbers, which it's becoming painfully obvious they did in most parts of the country.
Cooking the books? Ah .... but we have seen so many instances of information coming forward that shows the corruption of the DEMS ... and voila ... nothing happens. That will be the case here. Meanwhile, they WILL try again to impeach him or conduct another costly investigation that ties his hands. They will also continue to push for on-line voting or vote by mail only -- especially if after the country is re-opened the death toll climbs -- and yes, those numbers will continue to be manipulated.
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My substance abuse has gotten way better. 0005
Mine, too! Boilermakers at 10AM is the new normal.
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My substance abuse has gotten way better. 0005
.hhmmm... perhaps that's where I'm going wrong.
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Cooking the books? Ah .... but we have seen so many instances of information coming forward that shows the corruption of the DEMS ... and voila ... nothing happens. That will be the case here. Meanwhile, they WILL try again to impeach him or conduct another costly investigation that ties his hands. They will also continue to push for on-line voting or vote by mail only -- especially if after the country is re-opened the death toll climbs -- and yes, those numbers will continue to be manipulated.
It is my personal opinion, based on no empirical evidence and is just a hunch, that there will be widespread civil disobedience starting May 1 if restrictions are not lifted, and the punishment will visited on more politicians than Donald Trump. State Governors will come under fire if they are seen to be petty tyrants.
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.hhmmm... perhaps that's where I'm going wrong.
Bottomless Boilermakers at the Bar at Castillo del Cyber!
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Bottomless Boilermakers at the Bar at Castillo del Cyber!
Me thinks you're going to have a full house -- I'll bring some burgers to throw on the grill.
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Me thinks you're going to have a full house -- I'll bring some burgers to throw on the grill.
Grab an extra bottle of Propane on the way, I'm running low and I don't have a spare yet....
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04-10-2020 | 19:52 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.371 ↑ | 4.094 ↓ |
| United States | 1.462 ↓ | 18.410 ↓ |
| China | 23.218 ↑ | 1.057 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 48,773
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.5 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recoveries in the US continue to go unreported.
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Total cases per 1 million population:
Sweden - 959
Norway - 1,162
Denmark - 1,005
US - 1,490
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much lol
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Keep in mind that with all the numbers in almost every country, and especially here in the US, that the cases are vastly underreported due to minimal testing.
The testing in most places is still reserved for the sickest, so that many, many people who have the virus with lesser symptoms, or who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic, are not included in those numbers.
Any percentages derived from incomplete data, and any conclusions based on that data, is by its very nature inaccurate.
Just a caution going forward.......... we're not going to understand the full impact of this pandemic for a long time.
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04-10-2020 | 19:52 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.371 ↑ | 4.094 ↓ |
| United States | 1.462 ↓ | 18.410 ↓ |
| China | 23.218 ↑ | 1.057 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 48,773
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.5 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recoveries in the US continue to go unreported.
As of today the recoveries in the US are 27,612.
This number is given daily, as well as the number of recoveries state by state at the Johns Hopkins Resource Center. (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
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My substance abuse has gotten way better. 0005
Practice, practice, practice! :laugh:
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Grab an extra bottle of Propane on the way, I'm running low and I don't have a spare yet....
Propane?? **nononono*
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As of today the recoveries in the US are 27,612.
This number is given daily, as well as the number of recoveries state by state at the Johns Hopkins Resource Center. (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
I know how many reported recoveries there are. But I also know how many reported cases and deaths there are. It is my understanding that over 95% of people contracting this disease recover within 14 days.
March 27
93,881 cases
Deaths since March 27
16,902
Recoveries since March 27
24,336
Minimum number of people diagnosed by March 27 who are still alive today
76,979
That leaves 52,643 people who had the disease on March 27 who are neither reported as died or recovered. Can you explain why 50,000+ people who have survived after 2 weeks are not being reported as 'recovered'?
If your feel the recovery period is longer than 14 days, then give me a link showing the average of how many days it takes, and I will adjust my calculation accordingly.
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My substance abuse has gotten way better. 0005
I knew a woman who could hit both arms with needles at the same time. Let's just say that she was ambidextrous.
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Federal Debt Tops $24 Trillion for First Time; GAO: 'The Current Federal Fiscal Path is Unsustainable
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/federal-debt-tops-24-trillion-first-time-gao-current-federal (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/federal-debt-tops-24-trillion-first-time-gao-current-federal)
Thank you to all the idiot presidents and legislators of the past 50 years, who have put us in the F'N boat. /s 9999hair out0000
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I know how many reported recoveries there are. But I also know how many reported cases and deaths there are. It is my understanding that over 95% of people contracting this disease recover within 14 days.
March 27
93,881 cases
Deaths since March 27
16,902
Recoveries since March 27
24,336
Minimum number of people diagnosed by March 27 who are still alive today
76,979
That leaves 52,643 people who had the disease on March 27 who are neither reported as died or recovered. Can you explain why 50,000+ people who have survived after 2 weeks are not being reported as 'recovered'?
If your feel the recovery period is longer than 14 days, then give me a link showing the average of how many days it takes, and I will adjust my calculation accordingly.
A person is considered to be recovered 7 days after the symptoms have gone. I do know that the average hospital stay for COVID19, rather than the average 3 day hospital stay is 20 days, so it seems as if there is some disparity in recovery time for different people with different degrees of illness.
I do know that many people who are asymptomatic or who have mild symptoms and just stay home are recovering, and are not yet included in the numbers.
My only caution is that drawing any conclusions based on present data is premature. The thing we can all know is that there are far more recoveries than are being reported because there are far more cases than are being presently recorded.
It's too early in the game to know what's really going on, but I was just responding to your statement that recoveries weren't being reported, when in fact, they are. Just not all of them because it is an unknown.
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Propane?? **nononono*
Too lazy for wood or charcoal....:shrug:
I sear my steaks with a blow torch. Had one last night, yum!
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Thank you to all the idiot presidents and legislators of the past 50 years, who have put us in the F'N boat. /s 9999hair out0000
Ditto.
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A person is considered to be recovered 7 days after the symptoms have gone. I do know that the average hospital stay for COVID19, rather than the average 3 day hospital stay is 20 days, so it seems as if there is some disparity in recovery time for different people with different degrees of illness.
I do know that many people who are asymptomatic or who have mild symptoms and just stay home are recovering, and are not yet included in the numbers.
My only caution is that drawing any conclusions based on present data is premature. The thing we can all know is that there are far more recoveries than are being reported because there are far more cases than are being presently recorded.
It's too early in the game to know what's really going on, but I was just responding to your statement that recoveries weren't being reported, when in fact, they are. Just not all of them because it is an unknown.
That's the difference between "non-reporting" and "under-reporting." I find it curious the number of total cases - deaths != recoveries. That's a red flag for the data-taker in me. It's binary: People either recover, or they die. Can the discrepancy be covered by still-active cases? The totals @Hoodat posted suggest there are some recoveries not being reported. I think there is uncertainty about how long it is between a positive test and a patient is declared "recovered."
IOW, I would not chalk that up to nefarious actions, at least not yet. By the end of the month that judgement may change.
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That's the difference between "non-reporting" and "under-reporting." I find it curious the number of total cases - deaths != recoveries. That's a red flag for the data-taker in me. It's binary: People either recover, or they die. Can the discrepancy be covered by still-active cases? The totals @Hoodat posted suggest there are some recoveries not being reported. I think there is uncertainty about how long it is between a positive test and a patient is declared "recovered."
IOW, I would not chalk that up to nefarious actions, at least not yet. By the end of the month that judgement may change.
Again.......... the information I'm getting is from my own state, and I know for a fact that there are many cases, and obviously some recoveries that have not been reported simply because they are not yet known.
The concentration has been, because it has had to be, on the most serious cases, and those requiring hospitalization, and the testing has been limited.
As of today, there have been only 55,985 tests given in Ohio (out of 11,646,273 people), so obviously no conclusions should be drawn about anything now........... cases, recoveries, or even deaths.
It's a long way from where we are now to suspect anything nefarious regarding the numbers of recoveries given.
Patience is going to be required, and in our instant society, patience isn't our strong suit.
We just have to wait for accurate numbers, and any conclusions drawn from those numbers.
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Again.......... the information I'm getting is from my own state, and I know for a fact that there are many cases, and obviously some recoveries that have not been reported
Which is exactly my point.
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Again.......... the information I'm getting is from my own state, and I know for a fact that there are many cases, and obviously some recoveries that have not been reported simply because they are not yet known.
The concentration has been, because it has had to be, on the most serious cases, and those requiring hospitalization, and the testing has been limited.
As of today, there have been only 55,985 tests given in Ohio (out of 11,646,273 people), so obviously no conclusions should be drawn about anything now........... cases, recoveries, or even deaths.
It's a long way from where we are now to suspect anything nefarious regarding the numbers of recoveries given.
Patience is going to be required, and in our instant society, patience isn't our strong suit.
We just have to wait for accurate numbers, and any conclusions drawn from those numbers.
Agree about it still being too early for the data to be settled, but policy decisions are required now, when the data are incomplete. That's where I expect to see shady actions and fear-mongering. Incomplete data are an open invitation to fabrication. Out-and-out fudging of the data is another matter entirely.
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Los Angeles AM radio 640 talking now about a study of 1000 randomized people, to determine how many have andibodies indicating immunity from prior recovery.
These types of stats, weigh very heavily on getting back to work, regaining confidence is worker and customer safety, etc.
Talking with my fellow board member of our non-profit AA meeting hall, and preparing for eventual re-opening (sort of like churches, libraries, other group meeting places).
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Agree about it still being too early for the data to be settled, but policy decisions are required now, when the data are incomplete. That's where I expect to see shady actions and fear-mongering. Incomplete data are an open invitation to fabrication. Out-and-out fudging of the data is another matter entirely.
Again, much of my information is coming from my own state, but I know the Governor, Lt.Gov, and legislature are working this weekend on the specifics of how we come out of this. They have had a game plan all the way, and the destruction of Ohio's economy was never part of it.
Next week, they'll begin telling us where we're headed, and I have confidence that they will be turning things around as quickly as it can be done.
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Which is exactly my point.
So you're allowing yourself to agree with me?
I'll be darned.....
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Agree about it still being too early for the data to be settled, but policy decisions are required now, when the data are incomplete.
The data would be more complete if they put as much effort towards reporting good news (i.e. recoveries) as they do deaths and cases. Reporting good news has not been a priority.
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So you're allowing yourself to agree with me?
I'll be darned.....
Believe whatever you feel you need to believe. I have been saying for many days now that recoveries are going unreported. It didn't begin as an agreement to something you posted.
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The data would be more complete if they put as much effort towards reporting good news (i.e. recoveries) as they do deaths and cases. Reporting good news has not been a priority.
The data is nonsense and has been since the get-go.
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There's no sign of things slowing down in CT, particularly the western end of the state (where I am):
(I apologize for the formatting, just can't get it right with the software the GBR is using)
Date Cases Daily Deaths Daily
Inc. Inc.
3/7 0
3/8 1 1
3/9 1 0
3/10 2 1
3/11 3 1
3/12 6 3
3/13 6 0
3/14 11 5
3/15 20 9
3/16 26 6
3/17 41 15 0
3/18 68 27 0
3/19 96 28 1 1
3/20 194 98 3 2
3/21 194 0 4 1
3/22 223 29 5 1
3/23 415 192 10 5
3/24 618 203 12 2
3/25 875 257 19 7
3/26 1,012 137 21 2
3/27 1,291 279 27 6
3/28 1,291 0 27 0
3/29 1,993 702 34 7
3/30 2,571 578 36 2
3/31 3,128 557 69 33
4/1 3,557 429 85 16
4/2 3,824 267 112 27
4/3 4,914 1,090 132 20
4/4 5,276 362 165 33
4/5 5,675 399 189 24
4/6 6,906 1,231 206 17
4/7 7,781 875 277 71
4/8 8,781 1,000 335 58
4/9 9,784 1,003 380 45
4/10 10,538 754 448 68
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That's the difference between "non-reporting" and "under-reporting." I find it curious the number of total cases - deaths != recoveries. That's a red flag for the data-taker in me. It's binary: People either recover, or they die. Can the discrepancy be covered by still-active cases? The totals @Hoodat posted suggest there are some recoveries not being reported. I think there is uncertainty about how long it is between a positive test and a patient is declared "recovered."
IOW, I would not chalk that up to nefarious actions, at least not yet. By the end of the month that judgement may change.
You look at New York. You see that they are indeed plateauing. ICU usage is down. Hospitalization is flat. That's the key sign that recoveries are catching up to new cases.
In the rural counties around here, where there's a lot more robust testing and contract tracing per capita, the situation is about one recovery for every new case.
Now the question is going to be how quickly can active cases go down?
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The data is nonsense and has been since the get-go.
Yep! 100%
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Again, much of my information is coming from my own state, but I know the Governor, Lt.Gov, and legislature are working this weekend on the specifics of how we come out of this. They have had a game plan all the way, and the destruction of Ohio's economy was never part of it.
Next week, they'll begin telling us where we're headed, and I have confidence that they will be turning things around as quickly as it can be done.
I like your Republican Governor better than my Republican Governor. Mine does what the politicians of the two large cities want, us rurals be damned.
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So you're allowing yourself to agree with me?
I'll be darned.....
Believe whatever you feel you need to believe. I have been saying for many days now that recoveries are going unreported. It didn't begin as an agreement to something you posted.
This is why I say y'all are talking past each other. As a disinterested third party, I think you agree on the big things.
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https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/04/09/seattles-army-built-field-hospital-is-coming-down-without-treating-a-single-patient/ (https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/04/09/seattles-army-built-field-hospital-is-coming-down-without-treating-a-single-patient/)
Seattle’s Army-built field hospital is coming down without treating a single patient
Author: Joseph O'Sullivan, The Seattle Times
SEATTLE -- Even as some questions remain about the extent of the outbreak in Washington state, Gov. Jay Inslee Wednesday announced he would return to the federal government the field hospital recently assembled in Seattle’s CenturyLink Field Event Center to help the health care system cope with the new coronavirus.
With the USNS Comfort still stationed in New York, and the USNS Mercy in Los Angeles, Inslee's decision could mark the first return of hospital beds to the federal government during the pandemic from anywhere in the nation.
Inslee in recent days has cited more favorable projections for what's to come next in the outbreak of COVID-19 in Washington, the state that at one time led the nation in cases and deaths. As of Wednesday afternoon, there were 9,097 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Washington, with 421 deaths.
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This is why I say y'all are talking past each other. As a disinterested third party, I think you agree on the big things.
Of course we do.
Which is why I've been confused by the nitpicking. :shrug:
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I like your Republican Governor better than my Republican Governor. Mine does what the politicians of the two large cities want, us rurals be damned.
I really like how he's protecting First Amendment rights.
At yesterday's press conference there were protesters outside the State House yelling, and he stated very clearly that they had protected rights and they wouldn't be stopped from protesting. He also said they wouldn't shut down worship services, but that he was asking pastors to "love their neighbors." IOW, protect your congregations from disease by having online worship like the vast majority of pastors are doing.
He's very business oriented too, so I'm sure he'll get things up and running as soon as possible. (I just found out from my M-i-L that he was on Cavuto today. I'm very proud of my state right now. Buckeye STRONG. happy77
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04-10-2020 | 19:52 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.371 ↑ | 4.094 ↓ |
| United States | 1.462 ↓ | 18.410 ↓ |
| China | 23.218 ↑ | 1.057 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 48,773
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.5 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recoveries in the US continue to go unreported.
In North Dakota, recoveries are at 105. deaths at 6, for a ratio of 17.5:1, but it appears our recovery numbers are kept up.
Total Cases to recoveries 278:105 so far (2.65)
97.7% of the 9608 tested so far were negative.
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@musiclady @Hoodat
John's Hopkins admits in their disclaimer (below the map) that the numbers they report on recoveries are on the low side. They hobgood ways of tracking confirmed positives and deaths, but no good way to track recoveries. Their disclaimer: ".
Recovered cases outside China are estimates based on local media reports, and may be substantially lower than the true number."
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@musiclady @Hoodat
John's Hopkins admits in their disclaimer (below the map) that the numbers they report on recoveries are on the low side. They have good ways of tracking confirmed positives and deaths, but no good way to track recoveries. Their disclaimer: ".
Recovered cases outside China are estimates based on local media reports, and may be substantially lower than the true number."
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In North Dakota, recoveries are at 105. deaths at 6, for a ratio of 17.5:1, but it appears our recovery numbers are kept up.
Total Cases to recoveries 278:105 so far (2.65)
97.7% of the 9608 tested so far were negative.
The President AND Congress have done as much, or more, to address this.
How many mandates have been ordered by the president? Has he ordered martial law?
Or, has have so many people have bitched about the lack thereof, are states asserting their rights as states to order their states?
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@musiclady @Hoodat
John's Hopkins admits in their disclaimer (below the map) that the numbers they report on recoveries are on the low side. They hobgood ways of tracking confirmed positives and deaths, but no good way to track recoveries. Their disclaimer: ".
Recovered cases outside China are estimates based on local media reports, and may be substantially lower than the true number."
Since there is no real way at this point with limited testing to even get the cases correct, it makes sense that tracking the recoveries at this point is impossible.
The numbers won't be settled until everyone can get a serology test to see if they've had it.
THEN we will know how many have recovered.
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In North Dakota, recoveries are at 105. deaths at 6, for a ratio of 17.5:1, but it appears our recovery numbers are kept up.
Total Cases to recoveries 278:105 so far (2.65)
97.7% of the 9608 tested so far were negative.
We got our first two in-the-wild cases here in the valley. Till now they've all been proven shipped-in cases. **nononono*
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We got our first two in-the-wild cases here in the valley. Till now they've all been proven shipped-in cases. **nononono*
The vast majority of our cases are believed to be either close contact (104) or community spread (108), the rest travel related or still under investigation.
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The vast majority of our cases are believed to be either close contact (104) or community spread (108), the rest travel related or still under investigation.
I think the most of ours have been medical (the first one was a doc that had traveled), or rich folks coming here to hide out... and the resulting contacts.
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USNS Mercy in Los Angeles/Long Beach is taking some group elder care patients, wher they tend to have the virus spread to several patientss, that are age-condition compromised.
That situation seems to be one danger situation, in "hotspots."
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We got our first two in-the-wild cases here in the valley. Till now they've all been proven shipped-in cases. **nononono*
The travel cases are going to go down as people travel less.
Where I'm at, the county has done a generally very good job of identifying how each case (15 right now, 3 recovered) got it. The first few were travel in the cities. More recent ones have generally been health care workers and people in close contact (some of whom have no symptoms) with other cases. Of those 15, only 3 have no explanation as to how they got it.
Numbers of people in quarantine have largely been level the past few weeks, hovering between the 40s and about 100. They'll put 50 into quarantine and take 20 out each of the next few days.
The county to our west has already leveled out; they're getting a recovery for every new case at this point. To our north, hospitalizations have also leveled out, on cue.
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Useful info but I don't think it closes the book for this matter, the information she provides makes the case that it probably is "zoonotic", from an animal but a good article still. I don't think she's trying to deceive anyone.
Bat virus? Bioweapon? What the science says about Covid-19 origins
Simone McCarthy
Speculation about the emergence of the new coronavirus is spreading almost as quickly as the pandemic
Scientists believe some pathways are more probable than others
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“If someone had that virus in the lab, and say it escaped, it would not have been able to infect humans – the human Sars-CoV-2 has additional changes that allows it to infect humans,†he said, adding that the bat virus would have had to circulate, and evolve, for a number of years before mutating enough to be able to infect people.
Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/bat-virus-bioweapon-what-the-science-says-about-covid-19-origins/ar-BB12sMhR (https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/bat-virus-bioweapon-what-the-science-says-about-covid-19-origins/ar-BB12sMhR)
A good case but not a total sale. Science always has exceptions.
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@Smokin Joe
One of the things about cabinet work. You kinda/sorta well, no, actually, you have to install them. We (it is a two-man show) have work. Work piled on top of work. We just got two more kitchens and a couple of bathroom remakes coming on line. So I have work.
Customers want their product. But they don't want us in their house(s).
My boss doesn't know this. I made a few phone calls to businesses that do restoration work. People I haven't worked for/with since the last econ meltdown ten years ago. I know people that know people that he doesn't know. Fire, water, etc., damage. And, oddly enough, we have had three small jobs from those people. Rentals. Two bathrooms (water) and a kitchen that had fire damage.
I am going to ask this again. There are no federal mandates in Idaho. There is a stay at home request from our governor. And now I see signs posted on business doors that are restricting the number of customers allowed. They are the national chain stores and/or regional chain stores (gas, pee stop) There is a smile some where in that phrasing.
Back to the ? People here are auto self-distancing. They invented a word for it. Rural. Tell them they have to and is a moth to a flame. :shrug:
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@Smokin Joe
One of the things about cabinet work. You kinda/sorta well, no, actually, you have to install them. We (it is a two-man show) have work. Work piled on top of work. We just got two more kitchens and a couple of bathroom remakes coming on line. So I have work.
Customers want their product. But they don't want us in their house(s).
My boss doesn't know this. I made a few phone calls to businesses that do restoration work. People I haven't worked for/with since the last econ meltdown ten years ago. I know people that know people that he doesn't know. Fire, water, etc., damage. And, oddly enough, we have had three small jobs from those people. Rentals. Two bathrooms (water) and a kitchen that had fire damage.
I am going to ask this again. There are no federal mandates in Idaho. There is a stay at home request from our governor. And now I see signs posted on business doors that are restricting the number of customers allowed. They are the national chain stores and/or regional chain stores (gas, pee stop) There is a smile some where in that phrasing.
Back to the ? People here are auto self-distancing. They invented a word for it. Rural. Tell them they have to and is a moth to a flame. :shrug:
Well, Fred, rural folks are always self distancing, except when some one is in a bind and needs help. Then neighbors, ideally spaced just outside of rifle range, will flock to help in a pinch. If they don't, well, that's cause for no small amount of shame, and the reason should be compelling, but it isn't a requirement.
When you don't need to be forced to do the right thing, but feel morally or otherwise compelled to, you're the sort of folks I'd like for neighbors.
While no one in rural settings wants to catch the disease, they'd be positively mortified at the thought they might have had it and given it to someone else, so the distancing comes naturally.
Not so much in the packed urban hives where ignoring those next to you is almost a survival mechanism.
I'm glad y'all have work, even if you might have to figure something out on the installing end of it.
I wish I had your skills, right now, the Mrs has more of a hankering for changing her kitchen than I have budget.
I'll be out looking for used cabinets that can be cleaned up, given new doors and hardware and hung likely.
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Bill Mitchell
@mitchellvii
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Studies have shown less than 1% of USA COVID-19 deaths were healthy people. The rest involved at least 1 or more comorbidities. Add to this the "liberal" policy of coding everyone who dies that even "appears" to have COVID-19 or tests positive postmortem and you see the problem.
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@musiclady @Hoodat
John's Hopkins admits in their disclaimer (below the map) that the numbers they report on recoveries are on the low side. They hobgood ways of tracking confirmed positives and deaths, but no good way to track recoveries. Their disclaimer: ".
Recovered cases outside China are estimates based on local media reports, and may be substantially lower than the true number."
This has been my point all along. They place all their efforts on counting bad news, and put very little effort on counting good news. And this is only a US problem since the rest of the world shows much higher recovery numbers.
There's a saying in business - you get what you count. If you count costs, you get costs. If you count profits, you get profits. And with this virus, if you put all your efforts into counting deaths, you get deaths. If we put our efforts into counting recoveries, we would get a better picture of what we are facing.
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This has been my point all along. They place all their efforts on counting bad news, and put very little effort on counting good news. And this is only a US problem since the rest of the world shows much higher recovery numbers.
There's a saying in business - you get what you count. If you count costs, you get costs. If you count profits, you get profits. And with this virus, if you put all your efforts into counting deaths, you get deaths. If we put our efforts into counting recoveries, we would get a better picture of what we are facing.
Good news and the fact more people have recovered than died worldwide doesn't fit with the narrative being pushed and would totally counter the effort to force people to stay in their houses scared and isolated and wouldn't help in the trashing of our economy.
It would cause people to question more than they already are right now why we're having to to what's being forced on us right now.
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Bill Mitchell
@mitchellvii
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Studies have shown less than 1% of USA COVID-19 deaths were healthy people. The rest involved at least 1 or more comorbidities. Add to this the "liberal" policy of coding everyone who dies that even "appears" to have COVID-19 or tests positive postmortem and you see the problem.
As I said in a previous post...
There are projections to meet! The crisis must take center stage!
Dead people vote Democrat, anyway, so the Dems have nothing to lose!
These is (or will be) money involved, and lots of it, and then there is every milliliter of political gasoline to wring out of this and throw on the fire in an election year.
All else has failed, they haven't been able to completely stop, to remove, nor to totally thwart the POTUS and what boils down to an American Agenda, despite all the chicanery, having one of the most extensive propaganda networks in history in their camp, performing acts of perfidy and breaking laws verging on treason to use our government agencies against the President in a fashion not seen before.
They still can't field a candidate worth a 30 second spot, even though they will try to make Cuomo into some sort of 'hero' over the COVID-19 event, when the very policies of the Democrats in New York (State and City) have only exacerbated the outbreak, and likely have cost a multitude of lives.
They know they are unfit to serve, are desperate for a standard bearer (ironic as that phrase may seem), and the only thing they have left is to tear down everything else to make themselves look more exalted.
I only pray the American People see through them and thoroughly reject their nonsense in November.
In the meantime, it is up to each and every American to do what they can to set this Nation on the road to recovery, and make it happen. It's time to show the world (and the Democrat Party) what we're made of.
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I only pray the American People see through them and thoroughly reject their nonsense in November.
@Smokin Joe I hope you're right on this. But what worried me is I see too many normally rational and sane people buying into the hype and panic.
Liberals have hit not he one thing that will cause people to do and act in ways they normally wouldn't. And they are taking notes on what they've seen happen so far for the future.
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@Smokin Joe I hope you're right on this. But what worried me is I see too many normally rational and sane people buying into the hype and panic.
Liberals have hit not he one thing that will cause people to do and act in ways they normally wouldn't. And they are taking notes on what they've seen happen so far for the future.
Watch cattle. Ordinarily, they'll wander and graze and chew their cud, totally content.
But get that herd nervous, let them scent a predator, or have a storm rolling in, and it doesn't take much to spook them into a stampede. (That's why the working cowboys often sang to a herd to calm them down, probably one of the roots of country-western.)
Natives used something similar against buffalo, getting the herd nervous and stampeding them off cliffs into piles that were so deep they started to rot before they could butcher, smoke, and eat their way to the bottom.
Unfortunately, you have to get people to stop and think, which is tough to do when they are in a panic.
And it is the panic that will do more damage in the long run than the virus.
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Watch cattle. Ordinarily, they'll wander and graze and chew their cud, totally content.
But get that herd nervous, let them scent a predator, or have a storm rolling in, and it doesn't take much to spook them into a stampede. (That's why the working cowboys often sang to a herd to calm them down, probably one of the roots of country-western.)
Natives used something similar against buffalo, getting the herd nervous and stampeding them off cliffs into piles that were so deep they started to rot before they could butcher, smoke, and eat their way to the bottom.
Unfortunately, you have to get people to stop and think, which is tough to do when they are in a panic.
And it is the panic that will do more damage in the long run than the virus.
Well said.
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John Cardillo
@johncardillo
· 18h
.@CNN used a pic of people during Hurricane Harvey claiming it was current COVID reporting.
One of the guys in the pic called out their #FakeNews
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Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
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The takeaway: New York hospitals are very busy but functioning well (thanks to great medical staff!). Patients who need to be admitted are admitted, those who are not are sent home, there is no ventilator shortage and no prospect of one. Even in NYC the acute crisis has passed.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1249031247596335106
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Odd how they always manage to link the actual and projected curves, but I noticed the actual numbers are well below the projections in every instance I have checked.
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Odd how they always manage to link the actual and projected curves, but I noticed the actual numbers are well below the projections in every instance I have checked.
And because the projected curves were pounced upon by the media and the left and treated as Gospel...people will be less likely to believe anything at all that comes from the media or a Government official.
I seem to remember a story about a boy named Peter and a wolf...I think that story might apply here.
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toddstarnes
@toddstarnes
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The year is 2025: The medical experts guess that a virus is going to kill either 1 person or 3 million. So just to be safe, the entire country is going to have to be shut down, churches closed, gun stores, shuttered, and gardening banned. Oh yeah - and no paddle boarding.
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04-11-2020 | 18:19 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.437 ↑ | 3.998 ↓ |
| United States | 1.424 ↓ | 18.254 ↓ |
| China | 23.218 - | 1.057 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 52,526
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.3 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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This has been my point all along. They place all their efforts on counting bad news, and put very little effort on counting good news. And this is only a US problem since the rest of the world shows much higher recovery numbers.
That's right. Since the data are generally taken from hospitalizations... well, there are only two ways out of that hospital. One through the front door, and the other through the basement... That is not a hard tally to make.
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The travel cases are going to go down as people travel less.
Where I'm at, the county has done a generally very good job of identifying how each case (15 right now, 3 recovered) got it. The first few were travel in the cities. More recent ones have generally been health care workers and people in close contact (some of whom have no symptoms) with other cases. Of those 15, only 3 have no explanation as to how they got it.
Numbers of people in quarantine have largely been level the past few weeks, hovering between the 40s and about 100. They'll put 50 into quarantine and take 20 out each of the next few days.
The county to our west has already leveled out; they're getting a recovery for every new case at this point. To our north, hospitalizations have also leveled out, on cue.
It is interesting to watch by the numbers, and how the infection works differently - In the cities, it burns hot and goes through like sh*t through a goose... In the small towns and burbs it tends to stew... and rural areas so far are nearly unaffected.
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Odd how they always manage to link the actual and projected curves, but I noticed the actual numbers are well below the projections in every instance I have checked.
Is it any wonder considering the modeling used to justify global warming?
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OMG! Laughed so hard I split my side.
Well, boys and girls, what have we learned from our experience with the Wuhan Red Death? There will be many lessons to be learned. Study hard. Your final exam will make up eighty percent of your semester grade.
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For those of you that are interested and for a little perspective...as of a couple minutes ago the U.S. has seen a total of 5,758 people die today from non Chinese Virus related diseases illnesses and other causes of death.
Here's a link to find out how many will die in your state today from something NOT called the Corona Virus.
https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states (https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states)
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Bad news.
Prayers up!
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Prayers Up @DB
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Prayers for a speedy recovery and wisdom on any of her medical team team working on her.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!
Bless the Lord, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,
Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,
Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
Psalm 103:1-5
Prayers up, DB.
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My prayers are up too DB.
Some woman on our block was saying her brother tested positive for corona.
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Prayers up for healing for your niece and peace and comfort for your family.
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Prayers Up @DB
Ditto
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Prayers Up @DB
and mine as well.
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Prayers up for you all, especially your niece! :0001:
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Praying fervently for her, and your whole family! @DB
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Thank you everyone.
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Prayers for your niece, @DB . I hope it ends up being something else. My friend's daughter had symptoms and just got her test results back. She ended up testing positive for influenza, so that is going around as well.
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
WHAT??? Oh no! Prayers for your niece. Is she in Cali?
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We have been through this before.
Here is the link to the article in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Where the researchers are documenting creating a virus out of a SARS virus and a bat borne Coronavirus.
The result sure sounds al lot like SARS-CoV-2, the active agent in COVID-19.
Is this a hybrid? Yep, no doubt.
Is it lab made? I'm (after reading this publication, co-authored by two chinese scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences) 99.999% sure.
From the Abstract:
Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
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WHAT??? Oh no! Prayers for your niece. Is she in Cali?
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Yes, she's in a small town in California.
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Yes, she's in a small town in California.
Oh, man, that's rough. Extra prayers for you, still new in your new town...
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My niece just went into emergency with a fever and trouble breathing about an hour ago. She has serious lung damage from a bad bout with valley fever perhaps 10 years ago that she barely survived. She has a husband and young son that recently had his first birthday.
We're very concerned.
Oh my! Prayers for y'all.
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Hi Guys,
The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.
Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RSs9Yfh.jpg)
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Hi Guys,
The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.
Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.
@DB I'm glad your niece is better.
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According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
We lost â€12,108‬ Americans to the virus last week.
9/11 - 2,996
2017 Hurricane Maria - 2,982
2001-now Afghanistan - 2,216
2003 Iraq - 4,497
TOTAL - â€12,691‬
It's almost like all these tragedies happened last week
"This is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives, quite frankly,†- US Surgeon General Jerome Adams 4/5/20
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises)
8888crybaby
I have not watched much TV News over this last week. I trust the daily press conferences on youtube, this forum, and twitter to inform me of the news of the day. So maybe the MSM is already doing it, but I find using the metric of "last week" we lost 12k Americans much more shocking than 20k total and 2k yesterday. I'd be surprised if the MSM doesn't begin incorporating it, if they haven't started.
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According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
We lost â€12,108‬ Americans to the virus last week.
9/11 - 2,996
2017 Hurricane Maria - 2,982
2001-now Afghanistan - 2,216
2003 Iraq - 4,497
TOTAL - â€12,691‬
It's almost like all these tragedies happened last week
"This is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives, quite frankly,†- US Surgeon General Jerome Adams 4/5/20
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises)
8888crybaby
I have not watched much TV News over this last week. I trust the daily press conferences on youtube, this forum, and twitter to inform me of the news of the day. So maybe the MSM is already doing it, but I find using the metric of "last week" we lost 12k Americans much more shocking than 20k total and 2k yesterday. I'd be surprised if the MSM doesn't begin incorporating it, if they haven't started.
Almost 12k people will die this month from lung cancer. I hope you mourn that just as hard as you are the stats from this virus.
Should the MSM incorporate those stats onto their reports as well? Or run scare story after scare story about the 143K for the year that will die from this cancer?
What kind of shocking metric should they use for cancer deaths...or suicides...or any other thing that will kill more people than this virus?
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Almost 12k people will die this month from lung cancer. I hope you mourn that just as hard as you are the stats from this virus.
I'll mourn them 1/4 as hard since they're dying a quarter as fast.
Should the MSM incorporate those stats onto their reports as well? Or run scare story after scare story about the 143K for the year that will die from this cancer?
You're a stone cold critic.
What kind of shocking metric should they use for cancer deaths...or suicides...or any other thing that will kill more people than this virus?
Clearly I have offended you by empathizing with the dead. I'm so sorry this has happened to you.
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@Fishrrman
Some very good posts including that picture of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. If no one thanked you for those, I wished to. It's hard to remember which thread that was in but it was helpful and useful.
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While I am here, I merged 3 of my threads on this topic into this main thread. We can't lose site of other subjects as well.
Pretty good viewership for this forum too; which in the past, was not nearly as active.
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Hi Guys,
The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.
Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.
Keep us posted. I hope she starts to feel better soon. @DB
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Mrs. Once-Ler made ham, potatotos, mac n cheese, cornbread, broccoli, and salad.
My oldest daughter Once-Letta made cup cakes.
We are now playing an on-line game using Zoom with our brood, and their spouses who moved out on their own.
A blessed day in our home.
Hope you are all safe, with full tummies. eeeeeeeee
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Mrs. Once-Ler made ham, potatotos, mac n cheese, cornbread, broccoli, and salad.
My oldest daughter Once-Letta made cup cakes.
We are now playing an on-line game using Zoom with our brood, and their spouses who moved out on their own.
A blessed day in our home.
Hope you are all safe, with full tummies. eeeeeeeee
I am glad to hear you have an excellent and blessed day, @Once-Ler! :beer:
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Mrs. Once-Ler made ham, potatotos, mac n cheese, cornbread, broccoli, and salad.
My oldest daughter Once-Letta made cup cakes.
We are now playing an on-line game using Zoom with our brood, and their spouses who moved out on their own.
A blessed day in our home.
Hope you are all safe, with full tummies. eeeeeeeee
You too @Once-Ler
I like the emoji
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Hi Guys,
The emergency room doctors think it was a pulmonary embolism of some sort but I don't know how that explains the fever. The other symptoms do match that. They sent her home with some medications (I'm assuming a blood thinner). I'm pretty sure she was swabbed for the virus but I don't know if there are any results yet. Hopefully the next 24 hours clears up what's going on.
Thank you for the prayers and kind thoughts.
@DB
Keeping her and your family in my thoughts.
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@DB
Keeping her and your family in my thoughts.
Thank you.
They've ruled out pulmonary embolism through blood tests and CT scan. Her fever went away sometime yesterday. She's home and as far as I know is not getting worse. Still pending other test results.
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04-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.528 ↑ | 3.864 ↓ |
| United States | 1.476 ↑ | 17.169 ↓ |
| China | 23.233 ↑ | 1.058 ↑ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 58,751
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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04-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.528 ↑ | 3.864 ↓ |
| United States | 1.476 ↑ | 17.169 ↓ |
| China | 23.233 ↑ | 1.058 ↑ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 58,751
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
We got all green arrows today?
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We got all green arrows today?
Caveat: it is the weekend, when reporting usually goes down. It usually jumps the following Tuesday.
I'm just praying we don't get a big jump this time and the decline begins for real. It HAS to start going down, and fast, if we are going to get people back to living again.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249506799532867585
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I am working hard to expose the corruption and dishonesty in the Lamestream Media. That part is easy, the hard part is WHY?
8:16 PM · Apr 12, 2020
You should reassess your priorities in the light of 20k American deaths, with thousands more added daily, Mr President.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249424452477235200
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Just watched Mike Wallace wannabe, Chris Wallace, on @FoxNews . I am now convinced that he is even worse than Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Meet the Press(please!), or the people over at Deface the Nation. What the hell is happening to @FoxNews . It’s a whole new ballgame over there!
2:49 PM · Apr 12, 2020
More laser focus on the virus and economy. Fight the real power!!! Fight Fox News!!!
It looks like our President had a really sh1tty Easter.
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I'll mourn them 1/4 as hard since they're dying a quarter as fast.
You're a stone cold critic.
Clearly I have offended you by empathizing with the dead. I'm so sorry this has happened to you.
It isn't that you are (or anyone else is) empathizing with the dead I find offensive, it is that some of you are so conspicuously empathizing with such a small minority of the deceased, while ignoring the multitude who can't be used to make some political point.
It really is all out of proportion. In the meantime, people with noticed and developing possible skin cancers can't get in for a biopsy, and the clock is ticking for them, just to give one example.
For people suffering from the 8 of ten top ten killers in the US today, their more ordinarily lethal conditions take a back seat to one less likely to kill them.
Yet if Trump takes 30 seconds out of his day to swat at some Media horsefly, somehow he is evil.
I guess picking and choosing is okay when you do it.
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It isn't that you are (or anyone else is) empathizing with the dead I find offensive, it is that some of you are so conspicuously empathizing with such a small minority of the deceased, while ignoring the multitude who can't be used to make some political point.
It really is all out of proportion. In the meantime, people with noticed and developing possible skin cancers can't get in for a biopsy, and the clock is ticking for them, just to give one example.
For people suffering from the 8 of ten top ten killers in the US today, their more ordinarily lethal conditions take a back seat to one less likely to kill them.
Yet if Trump takes 30 seconds out of his day to swat at some Media horsefly, somehow he is evil.
I guess picking and choosing is okay when you do it.
I like to think by slowing the COVID-19 virus, it is allowing doctors to deal with other medical problems too. I never complain when President Trump is focused on reducing the COVID-19 death toll. I think 20K dead Americans is tragic.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249506799532867585
You should reassess your priorities in the light of 20k American deaths, with thousands more added daily, Mr President.
We agree 90% of the time or so, but this is a multi-fronted war, and the MSM are absolutely as big of a threat to this country as COVID-19.
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I like to think by slowing the COVID-19 virus, it is allowing doctors to deal with other medical problems too. I never complain when President Trump is focused on reducing the COVID-19 death toll. I think 20K dead Americans is tragic.
Actually, slowing this down isn't helping patients with the other conditions.
It's just dragging out all the protocols that now are added to getting treatment for critical conditions, and bumping little things like a skin biopsy to the back of the bus.
In the meantime, people are still dying of all of these (2017 numbers):
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
source (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm)
and it is likely anyone who dies of the above (in red) will be said to have died of COVID-19 if they test positive, whether they had mild or no symptoms of COVID-19 or not, but note that eight of the top ten causes of death are comorbidity factors in COVID-19.
In this state, 100% of the dead attributed to the virus had one or more of those underlying medical issues.
So, did they die from the virus or just with it? We'll never know.
In an ordinary year, without the virus:
Number of deaths: 2,813,503
Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population (same source as above stats).
Ignoring the comorbidity factors, we aren't even at one percent of that ordinary annual total.
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Actually, slowing this down isn't helping patients with the other conditions.
It's just dragging out all the protocols that now are added to getting treatment for critical conditions, and bumping little things like a skin biopsy to the back of the bus.
In the meantime, people are still dying of all of these (2017 numbers):
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
source (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm)
and it is likely anyone who dies of the above (in red) will be said to have died of COVID-19 if they test positive, whether they had mild or no symptoms of COVID-19 or not, but note that eight of the top ten causes of death are comorbidity factors in COVID-19.
In this state, 100% of the dead attributed to the virus had one or more of those underlying medical issues.
So, did they die from the virus or just with it? We'll never know.
In an ordinary year, without the virus:
Number of deaths: 2,813,503
Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population (same source as above stats).
Ignoring the comorbidity factors, we aren't even at one percent of that ordinary annual total.
You make a good argument. If all COVID-19 deaths end tomorrow I'll admit you have a superior argument. I don't think we have reached the peak yet.
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You make a good argument. If all COVID-19 deaths end tomorrow I'll admit you have a superior argument. I don't think we have reached the peak yet.
I agree we have not reached the peak yet. The question is one of whether the actions of those working against the measures taken to control this will delay that (for political gain in the protracted economic malaise), will cause a longer, higher, or even second wave (again, so they can claim mismanagement of the crisis for political gain), or will delay effective treatment (for political gain and/or profit).
Doubtless, some of those who would have fallen into the eight of the top ten will be credited to the virus, and that is to be expected, but currently there are political and monetary motives to inflate the number of deaths by manipulating cause of death, other statistics, undercutting Public Health measures, or even banning medical treatments which have demonstrated, time and again, great promise.
While I would hope we can all get behind the effort to defeat the Hun Nazis Communists Virus (and it should be a rallying point of national unity of that order) there are far too many who would have Americans die for purely political reasons.
Those are people who should be barred from the halls of power in this nation for all time.
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Actually, slowing this down isn't helping patients with the other conditions.
I certainly can attest to that. I went to my cardio -- basically told to come back in a couple of months when the virus had subsided as now is not the time to present with any adverse symptoms! My appointment that I had for months was cancelled and I had to argue to get in to see him. Lot of good it did. He got near me and listened to the heart for all of 10 seconds at most -- I had a mask on and gloves and he did as well and set up an appointment in June. I get the precautions, but I feel because I am high risk, I am being tossed aside.
My other doctors are doing appointment only by Telehealth; the insurance will pay if they do a video phone appt.
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The WHO Lied and Created a Global Panic: Second Extensive Study Finds Coronavirus Mortality Rate Is 0.4% Not 3.4% — Similar to Seasonal Flu (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/lied-created-global-panic-second-extensive-study-finds-coronavirus-mortality-rate-0-4-not-3-4-similar-seasonal-flu/)
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This is where I get confused. Italy and the UK are about 13%. Spain at about 10%. The U.S. At 3.4% according to the world infometer. What is the truth?
No doubt China and the WHO lied.
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George Stephanopoulos tests positive for coronavirus
Just the News, Apr 13, 2020
Good Morning America" co-host George Stephanopoulous has tested positive for coronavirus, though he is currently asymptomatic and feels fine.
Earlier this month, the ABC host’s wife, actress Ali Wentworth, tested positive for the virus. She experienced the more typically described symptoms of the illness, including body aches, a fever, and a heavy chest.
Stephanopoulous has been self-isolating at home since his wife’s diagnosis.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-reelection-bid-raises-212-million-in-first-quarter_3309698.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-reelection-bid-raises-212-million-in-first-quarter_3309698.html)
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Navy Sailor Assigned to USS Theodore Roosevelt Dies of COVID-Related Complications (https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=112614)
PEARL HARBOR (NNS) -- The Sailor assigned to the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) who was admitted to the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the U.S. Naval Hospital Guam April 9 (local date) died of COVID-related complications April 13.
The name of the Sailor is being withheld until 24 hours after next-of-kin notification.
The Sailor, tested positive for COVID-19 March 30, was removed from the ship and placed in an isolation house on Naval Base Guam with four other USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) Sailors. Like other Sailors in isolation, he received medical checks twice daily from Navy medical teams.
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Hospitals still can be heavily burdened by all of this, time to get past the arguments of 12 weeks ago.
Ambulances queuing up in Moscow:
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/moscow-1268087.webp?r=1586693045462)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1268087/coronavirus-russia-dead-figures-moscow-Putin-lies-covid-19-hospitals (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1268087/coronavirus-russia-dead-figures-moscow-Putin-lies-covid-19-hospitals)
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I never complain when President Trump is focused on reducing the COVID-19 death toll. I think 20K dead Americans is tragic.
If President Trump were able to reduce the death toll to 10K, would that appease you?
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Some numbers from CT (from a spreadsheet I put together to see how many new infections there were each day):
Statewide, number of new infections each day is still "jumping around" but not as bad as several days ago.
But... new daily infections in Fairfield County (where most of the CT cases have been up to now) seems to be trending downward.
Will post again after a few days more.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgCW0v9f/Screen-Shot-2020-04-13-at-12-29-34-PM.jpg)
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News reports this morning, Cuomo announced NY deaths reached 10,000. Democrats love to celebrate every milestone.
I’d wager a large number of those deaths were of people who died of their co-morbidity with covid, and even some who died of completely tangential issues unrelated to upper respiratory, cardiac or lung problems.
But, that’s just the cynic in me speaking.
I also suspect that next year an analysis of 2019-20 deaths from seasonal flu and other diseases will show a curious decline in numbers. :pondering:
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I also suspect that next year an analysis of 2019-20 deaths from seasonal flu and other diseases will show a curious decline in numbers. :pondering:
Indubitably.
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Some numbers from CT (from a spreadsheet I put together to see how many new infections there were each day):
Statewide, number of new infections each day is still "jumping around" but not as bad as several days ago.
But... new daily infections in Fairfield County (where most of the CT cases have been up to now) seems to be trending downward.
Will post again after a few days more.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgCW0v9f/Screen-Shot-2020-04-13-at-12-29-34-PM.jpg)
That's useful. People are aware and hopefully, this is helping drive down the numbers.
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New York positive cases down to 6,000 or so. That's the lowest they've been in a couple of weeks. With the caveat that it is a weekend report and they're generally lower—even factoring that in, that's still 25% less than last weekend's increases. I think we have passed the apex of infections.
I looked at Italy's numbers just for comparison and they're not falling there as fast as they went up. But then again there seems to be more compliance here so there might be reason to suspect it might fall faster here.
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04-13-2020 | 19:27 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.572 ↑ | 3.803 ↓ |
| United States | 1.491 ↑ | 16.715 ↓ |
| China | 23.245 ↑ | 1.058 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 67,882
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 27.6 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 79.3 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Fourteen days may not be an adequate gauge for recoveries. So a 21-day recovery rate has been added. Around 80% of all US cases diagnosed March 23 and earlier have recovered. Reporting still too low. I seriously doubt that 20% of those cases are in chronic condition after 3 weeks or have died.
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04-13-2020 | 19:27 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.572 ↑ | 3.803 ↓ |
| United States | 1.491 ↑ | 16.715 ↓ |
| China | 23.245 ↑ | 1.058 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 67,882
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 27.6 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 79.3 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Fourteen days may not be an adequate gauge for recoveries. So a 21-day recovery rate has been added. Around 80% of all US cases diagnosed March 23 and earlier have recovered. Reporting still too low. I seriously doubt that 20% of those cases are in chronic condition after 3 weeks or have died.
Apparently it's a lot easier to catch COVID than it is to get rid of it?
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Maybe after 12 days or so, they stop calling to find out if someone died, but forget to ask if the person is recovered.
The Global (excluding China & US) recovery rate after 21 days is 113%. And yes, a number greater than 100% is possible because the recovered includes people who were infected in last 20 days but have already recovered.
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If President Trump were able to reduce the death toll to 10K, would that appease you?
He can't do that, but I have been a very critical NeverTrumper on most issues, except my President's handling of the virus. So in that matter I'm already appeased.
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Some numbers from CT (from a spreadsheet I put together to see how many new infections there were each day):
Statewide, number of new infections each day is still "jumping around" but not as bad as several days ago.
But... new daily infections in Fairfield County (where most of the CT cases have been up to now) seems to be trending downward.
Will post again after a few days more.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kgCW0v9f/Screen-Shot-2020-04-13-at-12-29-34-PM.jpg)
Interesting. I was looking to see if I could see a pattern in your county data. (I didn't)
In North Dakota (statewide, county samples are still too small), I'm seeing a peak in new cases four days after the previous peak, starting with March 27, and again on March 31, April 4, April 8, and April 12. So far, in my county, the rate is 22.6 confirmed cases per 100,000 people, or about one in 500 in the population of the county is known to have the disease.
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Klaus K @KlausKblog
The consistent low rate of #tobacco smokers among patients with #coronavirus in China is now duplicated in the U.S. by CDC:
Among 7,162 corona patients with medical records 6,901 were never-smokers (96.3%), 165 ex-smokers (2.3%), and only 96 smokers (1.3%)
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm)
Klaus K @KlausKblog
Studies show consistently that #tobacco smokers are much less likely to be victims of #COVID19 hospitalization:
9.6% smokers hospitalized vs. 31.2% expected (<0.001), based on Chinese smoking prevalence, suggesting smoking may protect against coronavirus.
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/550 (https://www.qeios.com/read/article/550)
(http://[url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET_9eMOWAAMSxcE.jpg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET_9eMOWAAMSxcE.jpg[/url])
:smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_klOhy-el0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_klOhy-el0#)
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NYU scientists: Largest US study of COVID-19 finds obesity the single biggest 'chronic' factor in New York City's hospitalizations
Doctors at NYU Langone Health center conducted the largest study so far of US hospital admissions for COVID-19, focused on New York City. They found obesity, along with age, was the biggest deciding factor in hospital admissions, which may suggest the role of hyper-inflammatory reactions that can happen in those with the disease.
Tiernan Ray
By Tiernan Ray | April 12, 2020For months, scientists have been poring over data about cases and deaths to understand why it is that COVID-19 manifests itself in different ways around the globe, with certain factors such as the age of the population repeatedly popping up as among the most significant determinants.
Now, one of the largest studies conducted of COVID-19 infection in the US has found that obesity of patients was the single biggest factor, after age, in whether those with COVID-19 had to be admitted to a hospital. ...
Link to story (https://www.zdnet.com/article/nyu-scientists-largest-u-s-study-of-covid-19-finds-obesity-the-single-biggest-factor-in-new-york-critical-cases/)
The research paper itself is here (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20057794v1).
Yesterday I saw a story (http://wvmetronews.com/2020/04/13/logan-community-copes-with-a-painful-loss/)about a 25-year-old who died of the virus. Turns out he was grossly overweight (as evident by this Facebook photo (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3977593488921301&set=ecnf.100000120662286&type=3&theater)).
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Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus (https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/)
By Lee Brown April 13, 2020
He practiced what he preached — then he died of coronavirus.
An evangelical pastor died of COVID-19 just weeks after proudly showing off how packed his Virginia church was — and vowing to keep preaching “unless I’m in jail or the hospital.â€
In his last known in-person service on March 22, Bishop Gerald O. Glenn got his congregation at Richmond’s New Deliverance Evangelistic Church to stand to prove how many were there despite warnings against gatherings of more than 10 people.
Read more at: https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/
Massachusetts nurse who warned about coronavirus dies after becoming infected
By Amanda Woods
April 13, 2020
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Meanwhile, a 21-year-old woman working her first nursing assistant job at a California nursing home died of COVID-19 complications that same day, KTLA reported.
More: https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/whistle-blowing-massachusetts-nurse-dies-from-coronavirus/
California cop dies after being denied a coronavirus test twice
By Jackie Salo April 13, 2020
A California police officer died of coronavirus complications after doctors twice shot down her requests to be tested for the bug, according to a report.
Santa Rosa police Detective Marylou Armer, 43, was only able to secure a test that confirmed her diagnosis after it was “too late,†her family told the Santa Rosa Press Democrat.
Read more at: https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/california-cop-dies-after-twice-being-denied-coronavirus-test/
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We have been through this before.
Here is the link to the article in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Where the researchers are documenting creating a virus out of a SARS virus and a bat borne Coronavirus.
The result sure sounds al lot like SARS-CoV-2, the active agent in COVID-19.
Is this a hybrid? Yep, no doubt.
Is it lab made? I'm (after reading this publication, co-authored by two chinese scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences) 99.999% sure.
From the Abstract:
So what? We have been through a lot of this before. I think people can read documents for themselves. They don't need reading material limited like some communist nation. I'd rather read up on all sources and decide. New information comes out. Pretty obvious.
Fine, you think it's lab made, everyone can make up their minds for themselves and one of those websites, I forget which has been maligned as being a hack website.
Let freedom ring.
We are nearing what? 25,000 dead, 36% may be from NY but nonetheless, what is absurd would be brushing this off.
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Meanwhile, a 21-year-old woman working her first nursing assistant job at a California nursing home died of COVID-19 complications that same day, KTLA reported.
The photo accompanying the story seems to support the findings of doctors at the NYU Langone Health Center, as referenced above.
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So what? We have been through a lot of this before. I think people can read documents for themselves. They don't need reading material limited like some communist nation. I'd rather read up on all sources and decide. New information comes out. Pretty obvious.
Fine, you think it's lab made, everyone can make up their minds for themselves and one of those websites, I forget which has been maligned as being a hack website.
Let freedom ring.
We are nearing what? 25,000 dead, 36% may be from NY but nonetheless, what is absurd would be brushing this off.
Nature is a fairly well respected journal in scientific circles. No one is saying to limit your reading material, nor anyone else's. However, in the interest of getting facts out there, I will post that access and even go so far as to summarize the facts, with sources, so my summary can be verified. That bell swings both to and fro.
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The photo accompanying the story seems to support the findings of doctors at the NYU Langone Health Center, as referenced above.
IIRC, the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate is forbidden by Gubernatorial edict in California. Prayers up for her family. I wonder if she had any of the underlying conditions noted as risk factors elsewhere aside from her BMI?
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IIRC, the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate is forbidden by Gubernatorial edict in California. Prayers up for her family. I wonder if she had any of the underlying conditions noted as risk factors elsewhere aside from her BMI?
I think only Michigan and Nevada had Governors so anti-Trump they issued edicts to try and stop Doctors from prescribing that cocktail. Newsome resisted the siren call.
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IIRC, the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate is forbidden by Gubernatorial edict in California.
No menttion of this I have heard, from Dr. Drew Pinskey and Scott Adams--both following this drug closely, in Calif.
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No menttion of this I have heard, from Dr. Drew Pinskey and Scott Adams--both following this drug closely, in Calif.
Same. First I've heard of this.
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I think only Michigan and Nevada had Governors so anti-Trump they issued edicts to try and stop Doctors from prescribing that cocktail. Newsome resisted the siren call.
I may be getting Cali confused with MI and NV, so I stand corrected.
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I think only Michigan and Nevada had Governors so anti-Trump they issued edicts to try and stop Doctors from prescribing that cocktail. Newsome resisted the siren call.
Michigan's Governor is stark raving mad.
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Michigan's Governor is stark raving mad.
So is Nevada's, and that's a more immediate concern of mine. Laughlin, Vegas and Reno are dead with the Casino Resorts all closed up. 8,000 out of work in my town, tens of thousands in Vegas, where they're laying off Cops.
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·
A good point, there.
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More on the obesity aspect:
Obesity is the biggest 'chronic' risk factor for coronavirus hospitalizations, largest US study of COVID-19 finds
Two New York University studies earmarked age, obesity as biggest risk factors
Researchers found almost half (46 per cent) of patients were aged 65 or over
Those under 60 twice as likely to need hospital care or ventilator if they're obese
Learn more about how to help people impacted by COVID
By Connor Boyd Health Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 09:56 EDT, 14 April 2020 | Updated: 15:11 EDT, 14 April 2020
Old and obese people are more likely to be hospitalised with the coronavirus than cancer or lung disease patients, research suggests.
Two New York University studies looking at 8,000 patients found being over 65 or having a BMI above 30 were the biggest risk factors for COVID-19 admissions.
In one paper, researchers found almost half (46 per cent) of all patients hospitalised with coronavirus were aged 65 or over. ...
Elderly people are more likely to succumb to the coronavirus because the immune system weakens as people age, making it harder to fight off the vicious disease.
Obese patients are more prone to serious infection because their immune system is preoccupied with trying to repair inflammation caused by carrying excess fat. ...
More at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8217275/Over-65s-obese-people-likely-hospitalised-coronavirus-cancer-patients.html)
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·
I kind of wondered about that, too. It seems in many cases - including the hospital where my daughter-in-law works - they've shut down so much of the elective procedures and such that they are way under normal capacity, never mind stretched beyond capacity.
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04-14-2020 | 19:35 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.631 ↑ | 3.699 ↓ |
| United States | 1.503 ↑ | 15.861 ↓ |
| China | 23.268 ↑ | 1.059 ↑ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 74,546
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 27.6 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 72.1 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Good news. Reported US recoveries have outpacing deaths for the last four days.
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·
I kind of wondered about that, too. It seems in many cases - including the hospital where my daughter-in-law works - they've shut down so much of the elective procedures and such that they are way under normal capacity, never mind stretched beyond capacity.
@mountaineer @Polly Ticks That is the argument we need to get to. There are some states that don't need to quarantine, but the media only says another 2k Americans died today, and a new record death toll. I wish my President was good at communicating.
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Louisiana now has a statewide stay-at-home order. I am currently under quarantine at work for the next two weeks.
@Hoodat
Are you saying you can't even go home for weeks?
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@Hoodat
Are you saying you can't even go home for weeks?
@sneakypete
Quarantine ended April 9. No more new cases popped up after Mar 26. I am now at home. Technically, I could have left before then, but I felt the better option was to stay with my co-workers, man my post, and complete the 14 days.
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@mountaineer @Polly Ticks That is the argument we need to get to. There are some states that don't need to quarantine, but the media only says another 2k Americans died today, and a new record death toll. I wish my President was good at communicating.
the media only says
I wish my President was good at communicating.
nevermind
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More on the obesity aspect:More at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8217275/Over-65s-obese-people-likely-hospitalised-coronavirus-cancer-patients.html)
I saw that, and wonder if gray hair or baldness is a risk factor, too. *****rollingeyes*****
All the other risk factors previously noted are more likely as you age or are obese.
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NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added
ERIN DURKIN | 04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT | Updated 04/14/2020 06:43 PM EDT
New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.
In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.
Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931 (https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931)
So now they don't have to actually prove someone died of coronavirus. They merely have to "presume" it.
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NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added
ERIN DURKIN | 04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT | Updated 04/14/2020 06:43 PM EDT
New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.
In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.
Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931 (https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931)
So now they don't have to actually prove someone died of coronavirus. They merely have to "presume" it.
How odd. Weren’t these the same people who were accusing Trump of ignoring the ‘science’, when the ‘science’ supported what they dreamed of doing?
Now that the ‘science’ no longer supports them they’re making it up.
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NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added
ERIN DURKIN | 04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT | Updated 04/14/2020 06:43 PM EDT
New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.
In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.
Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last week that the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931 (https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/04/14/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-by-3-700-after-uncounted-fatalities-are-added-1275931)
So now they don't have to actually prove someone died of coronavirus. They merely have to "presume" it.
Actually, I am not surprised....
If this isn't evidence of inflation of mortality figures, I don't know what is.
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·
Yes, that was the rationale and also to protect those most vulnerable. Projections vary though as to when each state is supposed to hit its peak and many haven't yet, but most states should see the virus peak by the end of April. How those projections have been arrived at, I don't know. It is logical that the less people are exposed to the virus, the less chance of it spreading. However, certainly we can't shelter in forever. Obviously people need to go back to work and the country needs to start functioning again.
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Is this like votes in the trunk of a car in SoCal?
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NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added
whoopsie
I thought he was the worst Mayor ever after he killed the groundhog.
(https://i.imgur.com/fAOX5tL.gif)
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A follow up on my niece. I found out today that she tested negative for Covid-19. She has only been given the test one time so a lot is riding on the accuracy of it. She has been diagnosed with pneumonia and has severe coughing with a fever that comes and goes. She's on antibiotics.
I'm still highly concerned.
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A follow up on my niece. I found out today that she tested negative for Covid-19. She has only been given the test one time so a lot is riding on the accuracy of it.
That is good news.She has been diagnosed with pneumonia and has severe coughing with a fever that comes and goes. She's on antibiotics.
I'm still highly concerned.
Prayers sent.
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A follow up on my niece. I found out today that she tested negative for Covid-19. She has only been given the test one time so a lot is riding on the accuracy of it. She has been diagnosed with pneumonia and has severe coughing with a fever that comes and goes. She's on antibiotics.
I'm still highly concerned.
Prayers up !
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whoopsie
I thought he was the worst Mayor ever after he killed the groundhog.
(https://i.imgur.com/fAOX5tL.gif)
Groundhog now listed as dying of coronavirus.
The worst part of this policy is that a majority of people who get tested for it end up testing negative, even if they're suspected of having it. Just this past week, they announced Richard Brodsky, a former politician, had died of coronavirus—only to retract that after he tested negative postmortem. He'd actually died of a heart attack.
So of all these presumed cases, maybe 30% of them likely had the virus, let alone died a result of it.
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Groundhog now listed as dying of coronavirus.
funny
The worst part of this policy is that a majority of people who get tested for it end up testing negative, even if they're suspected of having it. Just this past week, they announced Richard Brodsky, a former politician, had died of coronavirus—only to retract that after he tested negative postmortem. He'd actually died of a heart attack.
So of all these presumed cases, maybe 30% of them likely had the virus, let alone died a result of it.
messed up
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funnymessed up
Wonder how many Groundhog vehicular mishaps and death certificates are going to be reclassified.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/da2ca4ff45fc712ca0454bcd6ad83f42/tumblr_o1xj3fEzpR1rv4cqpo1_400.gifv)
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Clay Travis @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·
I haven't heard that "we can't go back to work without a vaccine." Is that coming from leftist politicians?
What I have heard repeatedly is that we can go back to work soon, but that care must be taken for the health of the workers until there is a vaccine.
BIG difference there.
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Japan urges citizens to isolate as reports warn of 400,000 deaths
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-idUSKCN21X149 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-idUSKCN21X149)
New York City coronavirus deaths suspected to be more than 10,000
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Last week, Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted that the city's official death toll probably underestimated the true extent of the deadly outbreak.
More: https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-coronavirus-deaths-suspected-more-10-000-224216474.html (https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-coronavirus-deaths-suspected-more-10-000-224216474.html)
I think suggesting the continual drone of low death rate is out-of-touch, hospitals are burdened heavily, one doesn't have different governments doing the same thing, that out of Japan is a real nightmare forecast.
New York and somewhere else are acknowledging they are probably "undercounting".
That may not be so, but it's more than the farcical "16" a day one was asserting about a month ago, now, we are up to 26,000 plus in just, what seems to me, a month.
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In New York City perhaps, but all over the world? Not likely.
2 million is a lot of people to die in less than two months. If a fraction of those deaths are "inflated," that's still a lot of people to die in just a few months.
And the deaths lag behind, so it's still going to increase.
That's a lot of people who actually ARE dying of COVID-19. A lot.
What was I referring to?
New York City's policy of adding idiopathic deaths outside of a clinical setting to the SARS-CoV-2 death toll.
I didn't say anything about the rest of the world, so don't kindly jack my comment and change the subject.
How much extra funding is New York City going to make from attributing 3700 (and counting) deaths to the virus as opposed to other causes of death?
But since you went there, what two million people?
According to these guys, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20), as of this posting in the whole world there have been Deaths:
128,965
Recovered:
492,482
Not only not even a tenth of your "two million deaths", but nearly 4 times as many recovered as died.
Seems New York City isn't the only one reporting high numbers.
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Not sure what the deal is, China unleashed this on the world, we should be mad at them and WHO but....
It doesn't amount to much more than the flu to begin with?
(http://clipartmag.com/images/confused-emoticon-21.png)
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According to these guys, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20), as of this posting in the whole world there have been
Deaths:
128,965
Recovered:
492,482
Not only not even a tenth of your "two million deaths", but nearly 4 times as many recovered as died.
There are an additional 245,000 who were diagnosed 14+ days ago and have survived, but have not yet been listed as 'recovered'.
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What was I referring to?
New York City's policy of adding idiopathic deaths outside of a clinical setting to the SARS-CoV-2 death toll.
I didn't say anything about the rest of the world, so don't kindly jack my comment and change the subject.
How much extra funding is New York City going to make from attributing 3700 (and counting) deaths to the virus as opposed to other causes of death?
But since you went there, what two million people?
According to these guys, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20), as of this posting in the whole world there have been Not only not even a tenth of your "two million deaths", but nearly 4 times as many recovered as died.
Seems New York City isn't the only one reporting high numbers.
I humbly apologize and will remove my post.
I saw the number of cases and mistook it for deaths.
It was unintentional.
And now I understand that you were talking about NYC only. That was not clear from your post.
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The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.
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The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.
The left's intentions should be clear by now - fighting the virus is tangential. We should be gearing up to fight them but we still seem to be in a dither over the veracity of their claims.
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The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.
Not just the vehicle, but the driver (CCP).
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The left's intentions should be clear by now - fighting the virus is tangential. We should be gearing up to fight them but we still seem to be in a dither over the veracity of their claims.
Their claims are as true as the 'bat in a seafood market' fable.
By now we should recognize some fundamental points.
The Left, Islamists, and the CCP have some things in common.
First, and most fundamental, all three lie. The Left through distortion and omission, because despite their dreams, there is still enough freedom of speech here that the truth can get out. Decades long campaigns of remodeling the language through political correctness and the stigma of some -ism or -phobia have worked about all they can, making whole thoughts difficult to express because the words to express them have been rendered unacceptable or even criminal by those who would limit your very ability to even think that the product they are selling is bogus.
The Islamists, because 'it is written', can not only suppress any dissent through the use of a fatwah and a knife, but are fully dispensed to lie to the infidels, engaging in taqiya, lying blatantly for the advancement of Islam. The Left here only dreams of wielding such an iron fist.
The CCP, through blatant propaganda, repetition, and allowing no other alternative to be heard or seen unless it is to provide a veil to hide the routine silencing of any opinion or truth not approved by the CCP. Unlike the US, dissent there can win you a one way ticket to the next life, something the Left here can only dream of.
Fundamental to repressing people is the repression of the truth, the very basis by which people should make decisions. The more muddled the perception of reality, be that through propaganda, indoctrination, lies, or drugs, the more malleable a people, the more easily they are controlled, and the more blind they are to the insidious horrors carried out in their name.
That battle is a war of a thousand cuts, and must be fought with every post online, every statement, carefully couching the truth in the vestiges of language yet allowed while still getting across that the acts, actions, proposals, and indoctrination of the Left are composed of a complex fabrication, a network of interrelated lies designed, ultimately, to place power and wealth in the hands of a few acolytes while dooming the rest of the population to subjugation and misery, with no concept of hope to do better.
We need to expose the lies, to peel back the cover over these maggots that are feasting on the rot they have induced in our culture. The truth is a great place to start.
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QFT. Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess.
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QFT. Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their political cause is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess.
It's not so hard. If their lips are moving, they're lying, with a few half truths sprinkled in either because they are obvious, or to point to when they are called on lying about the rest.
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It's not so hard. If their lips are moving, they're lying, with a few half truths sprinkled in either because they are obvious, or to point to when they are called on lying about the rest.
The problem is sensitizing the rank & file to what you and I easily recognize.
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MLB players, team employees participating in coronavirus study
Employees of Major League Baseball teams are participating in a massive study that will test up to 10,000 people for coronavirus antibodies and should offer researchers a better sense of how widespread the disease is in major metropolitan areas across the United States, although doctors caution that the data gathered is not expected to hasten the game's return.
The study, which is being run by Stanford University, USC and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL), will use test kits that draw blood via pinprick and offer results within 10 minutes. The test will detect the prevalence of IgM, an antibody produced relatively early in those who have been infected with COVID-19, and IgG, a second form that doctors said lasts long after the infection happens. A positive test would confirm a person did in fact contract coronavirus, even if he or she was asymptomatic.
The goal of the study is to get a better sense of the virus' true infection rate by utilizing a nationwide sample. The speed with which MLB coordinated logistics and ensured participation from a wide range of people, including players, front-office staff, concession workers and others, made it the right choice for the study, according to doctors running it.
More: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29036123/mlb-players-team-employees-participating-coronavirus-study (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29036123/mlb-players-team-employees-participating-coronavirus-study)
This should get a good handle on how close we are to heard immunity. The results will be peer-reviewed and published as soon as next week.
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The problem is sensitizing the rank & file to what you and I easily recognize.
True.
The best place to start is to expose lies and get them thinking critically, looking for the 'catch'.
(Where is the money going to come from? is a biggie.)
My parents started me pretty young when I wanted to order a set of army soldiers from a comic book.
I was excited thinking of the toy soldiers and tanks and such I had, that they would be equivalent in size.
They asked me how big the box was, which was in the ad.
Oh. Far too small to fit a single tank or airplane into, which meant those toy soldiers were pretty darned small.
It was an eye opener, and one I credit for having kept me from a multitude of bad deals over the years.
So start with deceptions which are close to the surface, and easy to root out. Deals too good to be true. Show them the 'catch' by asking them questions designed to get them to see it.
Get them thinking critically.
Once they are thinking critically, their days as liberals are numbered.
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The study, which is being run by Stanford University, USC and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL), will use test kits that draw blood via pinprick and offer results within 10 minutes. The test will detect the prevalence of IgM, an antibody produced relatively early in those who have been infected with COVID-19, and IgG, a second form that doctors said lasts long after the infection happens. A positive test would confirm a person did in fact contract coronavirus, even if he or she was asymptomatic.
This should get a good handle on how close we are to heard immunity. The results will be peer-reviewed and published as soon as next week.
So when do I get to take one of those tests? Or is it only available to men who bat .260 or better?
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Hyped Malaria Pill Doesn’t Help Clear Coronavirus in Study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?ocid=spartandhp)
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Hyped Malaria Pill Doesn’t Help Clear Coronavirus in Study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?ocid=spartandhp)
Was zinc included in the study? Hydroxychloroquine does nothing without zinc.
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Birx: Data shows some states 'could do very well with some decreasing restrictions'
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/492938-birx-data-shows-some-states-could-do-very-well-with-some-decreasing
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True.
The best place to start is to expose lies and get them thinking critically, looking for the 'catch'.
(Where is the money going to come from? is a biggie.)
My parents started me pretty young when I wanted to order a set of army soldiers from a comic book.
I was excited thinking of the toy soldiers and tanks and such I had, that they would be equivalent in size.
They asked me how big the box was, which was in the ad.
Oh. Far too small to fit a single tank or airplane into, which meant those toy soldiers were pretty darned small.
It was an eye opener, and one I credit for having kept me from a multitude of bad deals over the years.
So start with deceptions which are close to the surface, and easy to root out. Deals too good to be true. Show them the 'catch' by asking them questions designed to get them to see it.
Get them thinking critically.
Once they are thinking critically, their days as liberals are numbered.
Its easy to be pessimistic but I'm sure you recall how bad it was when all political info was channeled nationally through only three networks.
At least there are now alternative POVs out there, with more conduits for them every year. At least there is an access to info we can think critically about.
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The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.
Hilarious, but I spell it unanimous. Yesterday the GOP President was in total control.
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Its easy to be pessimistic but I'm sure you recall how bad it was when all political info was channeled nationally through only three networks.
At least there are now alternative POVs out there, which more conduits for them every year. At least there is an access to info we can think critically about.
Yep, the three channels we could get were all Watergate, all the time. "Glory days" for the Democrats, and they're trying desperately to relive them. Thank The Almighty they are failing.
Half the battle is channeling youngsters to content that makes sense and is correct.
Not easy, there are enough "crackpot" theories flying around to make the defense of "Conspiracy Theory" viable.
But the fact that such things are thriving, even though often based only on the part of the truth that reinforces those theories, indicates that people are not satisfied with the MSM version of reality and are looking for something that explains what isn't being reported or explained.
The trick with that is debunking conspiracy theories that can't pass muster (and they are legion) right along with the MSM crap.
Get them to look for the angle, the serious questions and the holes in the data, the details that prove someone is distorting reality. Show them how infection rates vs numbers vs percentage increases can all be presented to push one viewpoint over another, when they actually distort what is going on. How even nonstandard units of measure can be used to inflate impact (the most common in the media involve gallons or liters of oil spilled, when the standard unit of measure is either a cubic meter (Canada: 1000 liters) or a barrel (42 US Gallons).
The fundamental doubt is widespread, especially among the young, if/when they overcome parroting the popular propaganda, partly because the natural tendency to be rebellious at the transition from childhood to adulthood works in favor of that, and because they may have learned just enough to really start asking questions about the assumptions they were spoon fed.
As such, we have been relegated to the 'counter-counterculture' (of the 60s): We are what Mao would have described as "counterrevolutionaries"
In that, the internet is a great marketplace for ideas as well.
The trick is to sort out and toss aside the guy with an agenda that is self serving over serving everyone, an important fundamental concept of Liberty and Basic Unalienable Rights (that we're all born with them, and even have them before we're born, not from the State, but from The Almighty).
While there are many different versions of religion and even those who don't belong to any specific one, the concept of some higher, ordering power in the universe is widespread. By example, by our own beliefs (and we will be asked) we can steer them closer, not only to a restored Republic, but to The Creator who inspired much of that thought.
I'm hardly evangelical material, I'm too rough around the edges, have to edit some of my posts before posting to remove profanity (I'm getting better about that, just because it is tedious), but I deeply believe. I won't force those beliefs on others but I don't mind answering questions and pointing them in the right direction, and don't mind presenting the Bible as a user's manual and guide for humans, not just some bunch of orders. Even the stories have lessons in them that open the way to belief in a benevolent God.
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"Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?"
https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi-jinping-deliberately-sicken-the-world/
Wow...
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Yep, the three channels we could get were all Watergate, all the time. "Glory days" for the Democrats, and they're trying desperately to relive them. Thank The Almighty they are failing.
Half the battle is channeling youngsters to content that makes sense and is correct.
Not easy, there are enough "crackpot" theories flying around to make the defense of "Conspiracy Theory" viable.
But the fact that such things are thriving, even though often based only on the part of the truth that reinforces those theories, indicates that people are not satisfied with the MSM version of reality and are looking for something that explains what isn't being reported or explained.
The trick with that is debunking conspiracy theories that can't pass muster (and they are legion) right along with the MSM crap.
Get them to look for the angle, the serious questions and the holes in the data, the details that prove someone is distorting reality. Show them how infection rates vs numbers vs percentage increases can all be presented to push one viewpoint over another, when they actually distort what is going on. How even nonstandard units of measure can be used to inflate impact (the most common in the media involve gallons or liters of oil spilled, when the standard unit of measure is either a cubic meter (Canada: 1000 liters) or a barrel (42 US Gallons).
The fundamental doubt is widespread, especially among the young, if/when they overcome parroting the popular propaganda, partly because the natural tendency to be rebellious at the transition from childhood to adulthood works in favor of that, and because they may have learned just enough to really start asking questions about the assumptions they were spoon fed.
As such, we have been relegated to the 'counter-counterculture' (of the 60s): We are what Mao would have described as "counterrevolutionaries"
In that, the internet is a great marketplace for ideas as well.
The trick is to sort out and toss aside the guy with an agenda that is self serving over serving everyone, an important fundamental concept of Liberty and Basic Unalienable Rights (that we're all born with them, and even have them before we're born, not from the State, but from The Almighty).
While there are many different versions of religion and even those who don't belong to any specific one, the concept of some higher, ordering power in the universe is widespread. By example, by our own beliefs (and we will be asked) we can steer them closer, not only to a restored Republic, but to The Creator who inspired much of that thought.
I'm hardly evangelical material, I'm too rough around the edges, have to edit some of my posts before posting to remove profanity (I'm getting better about that, just because it is tedious), but I deeply believe. I won't force those beliefs on others but I don't mind answering questions and pointing them in the right direction, and don't mind presenting the Bible as a user's manual and guide for humans, not just some bunch of orders. Even the stories have lessons in them that open the way to belief in a benevolent God.
You'll get no argument from me there. I'm very clear on the existence & nature of this nation's primary benefactor - my testimony might not be as valuable as it could've been, unfortunately. Badly in need of divine grace.
Anyway l'm hopeful a healthier skepticism of government is one of the unintended consequences of this pandemic.
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Yep, the three channels we could get were all Watergate, all the time. "Glory days" for the Democrats, and they're trying desperately to relive them. Thank The Almighty they are failing.
Half the battle is channeling youngsters to content that makes sense and is correct.
Not easy, there are enough "crackpot" theories flying around to make the defense of "Conspiracy Theory" viable.
But the fact that such things are thriving, even though often based only on the part of the truth that reinforces those theories, indicates that people are not satisfied with the MSM version of reality and are looking for something that explains what isn't being reported or explained.
The trick with that is debunking conspiracy theories that can't pass muster (and they are legion) right along with the MSM crap.
Get them to look for the angle, the serious questions and the holes in the data, the details that prove someone is distorting reality. Show them how infection rates vs numbers vs percentage increases can all be presented to push one viewpoint over another, when they actually distort what is going on. How even nonstandard units of measure can be used to inflate impact (the most common in the media involve gallons or liters of oil spilled, when the standard unit of measure is either a cubic meter (Canada: 1000 liters) or a barrel (42 US Gallons).
The fundamental doubt is widespread, especially among the young, if/when they overcome parroting the popular propaganda, partly because the natural tendency to be rebellious at the transition from childhood to adulthood works in favor of that, and because they may have learned just enough to really start asking questions about the assumptions they were spoon fed.
As such, we have been relegated to the 'counter-counterculture' (of the 60s): We are what Mao would have described as "counterrevolutionaries"
In that, the internet is a great marketplace for ideas as well.
The trick is to sort out and toss aside the guy with an agenda that is self serving over serving everyone, an important fundamental concept of Liberty and Basic Unalienable Rights (that we're all born with them, and even have them before we're born, not from the State, but from The Almighty).
While there are many different versions of religion and even those who don't belong to any specific one, the concept of some higher, ordering power in the universe is widespread. By example, by our own beliefs (and we will be asked) we can steer them closer, not only to a restored Republic, but to The Creator who inspired much of that thought.
I'm hardly evangelical material, I'm too rough around the edges, have to edit some of my posts before posting to remove profanity (I'm getting better about that, just because it is tedious), but I deeply believe. I won't force those beliefs on others but I don't mind answering questions and pointing them in the right direction, and don't mind presenting the Bible as a user's manual and guide for humans, not just some bunch of orders. Even the stories have lessons in them that open the way to belief in a benevolent God.
Good read. I especially concur with how society has become so gullible, we allow certain elements / factions to seize and control the narrative.
Just my POV, but it seems in the past 40 years people in general have become less and less able to think and decide for themselves. It just may end up being our undoing.
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Was zinc included in the study? Hydroxychloroquine does nothing without zinc.
I saw no mention of either Zinc Sulfate nor a macrolide antibiotic like Azithromycin.
No surprise that a stool missing two out of three legs isn't anything to sit on.
The proposed and claimed to be effective five day regimen included:
200 mg Hydroxychloroquine, twice daily (Provides a pathway through the cell membrane for the zinc)
500 mg Azithromycin (Zithromax) once daily (Helps reduce overactive immune response, interferes with viral rplication, guards against opportunistic bacterial infection)
220mg Zinc Sulfate once daily (provides the zinc the Hydroxychloroquine gets into the cell, which retards viral replication and the destruction of the cell)
The absence of one or more will reduce any effect.
Just one doesn't do it.
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Just my POV, but it seems in the past 40 years people in general have become less and less able to think and decide for themselves. It just may end up being our undoing.
This has been by design. Orwell's 1984 has become their playbook. From dumbing down the schools, breaking up families, re-instituting slave dependence on government checks, all the way to the impending collapse of Social Security, the Left is playing the long game to consolidate power by attaining total control over the proles.
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I saw no mention of either Zinc Sulfate nor a macrolide antibiotic like Azithromycin.
No surprise that a stool missing two out of three legs isn't anything to sit on.
The proposed and claimed to be effective five day regimen included:
200 mg Hydroxychloroquine, twice daily (Provides a pathway through the cell membrane for the zinc)
500 mg Azithromycin (Zithromax) once daily (Helps reduce overactive immune response, interferes with viral rplication, guards against opportunistic bacterial infection)
220mg Zinc Sulfate once daily (provides the zinc the Hydroxychloroquine gets into the cell, which retards viral replication and the destruction of the cell)
The absence of one or more will reduce any effect.
Just one doesn't do it.
It's the zinc that kills the virus inside the cell and prevents it from replicating. The hydroxychloroquine provides the vehicle for getting zinc inside the cell. The fact that this is a Chinese study makes it suspect since China has applied for the patent for remdesivir (a drug developed by a US company which China is trying to steal).
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(https://www.newzjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/200415cuomo-hospitalizations-324x160.jpg)
Net change in daily hospitalizations the past few weeks.
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(https://www.newzjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/200415cuomo-hospitalizations-324x160.jpg)
Net change in daily hospitalizations the past few weeks.
What is strange is how this thing is panning out statisically (at this very moment)
COVID
US Deaths= 26,950
Worldwide Deaths= 130,528
20.6% of all worldwide deaths
Worldwide population
US-335M
World- 7.8B
4.4% of the worlds population.
How this is being enumerated stinks on so many levels, and makes no damned sense.
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This should get a good handle on how close we are to heard immunity. The results will be peer-reviewed and published as soon as next week.
So when do I get to take one of those tests? Or is it only available to men who bat .260 or better?
Did you read the article? It's a scientific study that will give a good sample of major metropolitan areas. It will include not only the players but front office, concession workers, janitors, etc. It won't include all of the ball teams. I imagine it would not be good sampling to include more than one team from the same metropolitan area, such as both the Mets and Yankees, or both the White Sox and Cubs. Some teams will not test every player. It will not help them to get back to work any sooner, and it's a completely different test from the one that tells if one is currently infected.
Again, from the article, they wanted to partner with a major corporation with employees in many metropolitan areas to get a good sample for the entire country. Many were given the opportunity but MLB is the one that the quickest to cooperate. Don't know who the others were that got the offer (GE would have been a good candidate), but MLB beat the others out.
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Did you read the article? It's a scientific study that will give a good sample of major metropolitan areas. It will include not only the players but front office, concession workers, janitors, etc. It won't include all of the ball teams. I imagine it would not be good sampling to include more than one team from the same metropolitan area, such as both the Mets and Yankees, or both the White Sox and Cubs. Some teams will not test every player. It will not help them to get back to work any sooner, and it's a completely different test from the one that tells if one is currently infected.
Again, from the article, they wanted to partner with a major corporation with employees in many metropolitan areas to get a good sample for the entire country. Many were given the opportunity but MLB is the one that the quickest to cooperate. Don't know who the others were that got the offer (GE would have been a good candidate), but MLB beat the others out.
Their scientific study doesn't help me. What would help me is knowing if I have developed antibodies for the virus. The antibody test would do that. But unfortunately, I cannot find a way to get one.
If I test positive for antibodies, I can then be tested for the virus. If the second test comes up negative, then I am free and clear. No more red tape BS. No more having to report the names (and companies) of everyone I have come within 6 ft of including date and time for the last 3 weeks. No more having to cower in my house when I could be out there helping others.
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Good read. I especially concur with how society has become so gullible, we allow certain elements / factions to seize and control the narrative.
Just my POV, but it seems in the past 40 years people in general have become less and less able to think and decide for themselves. It just may end up being our undoing.
I think there has always been some of that. Maybe I just caught on early.
There was a time when academia jealously guarded its ranks, when advancement to positions of prestige were based on accomplishment. That transition came largely in the sixties, when the motivation for a college education shifted from sincerely desiring that greater level of learning to wanting to escape the clutches of the Draft.
With that additional influx, often of children from moneyed families came an influx of money into the University system, and with that money came students who may have been a mite less suited to the rigors of scientific or other curricula. The Departments which really blossomed in that era were not pre-med or physics, but sociology and psychology, largely theory, and where a case could be made for virtually any viewpoint (as the fields were growing by leaps and bounds) those majors also provided the means for students more interested in partying and avoiding service to get good enough grades to maintain their deferments.
Money flowed into the university system, and with the growing fields and departments, came the 'need' for jobs for those eventual graduates, so it wasn't long before the Studies were generated to tell us all how much we needed those particular professions to tell us all how to live, (funded by the public coffers, naturally), to create a job market for the swarms of students who were actually graduating and not busy jumping majors to stay in school and retain those draft deferments.
This happened in a particularly socially vulnerable era where fewer than 10% of Americans had a college degree, and that level of learning was generally respected by many who did not. When the 'experts' were few, and considered to be highly respected, people tended to believe, especially since professional reputations were hanging in the balance.
But some of us, even then questioned people like the guys who said "Turn on, Tune in, Drop out" and then took their turned on dropped out self to the airport and flew to the next town to preach their folly again.
(Where were drugged, dropped out people getting all the money to fly around the country, anyway?)
Even then, people didn't question experts, and now we live in an age where nearly a third of the population has a degree, and while you would expect them to be well enough educated to question much of what they see and hear, the process of education has become one of indoctrination, of suppressing to the point of failing those who question, and lauding those who parrot what they have been told to believe.
Unfortunately, that has carried over into virtually every facet of life, and the fashion experts are busy lauding the emperor's new clothes, while we can all see the apparent lack of wardrobe.
Kids, though, see what is and what isn't. If grandma is fat, they'll say so. If that show dog smells bad and poops on the floor, they'll mention it. They don't care how many ribbons or what the stud fees are.
So, we have to get them started asking questions (natural enough for the young) before they get shut down, and then step in to defend them for doing so (because those who demand blind compliance will punish them for it.)
And we need to ask a lot more questions ourselves, to expose this nonsense.
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"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that." - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today
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Did you read the article? It's a scientific study that will give a good sample of major metropolitan areas. It will include not only the players but front office, concession workers, janitors, etc. It won't include all of the ball teams. I imagine it would not be good sampling to include more than one team from the same metropolitan area, such as both the Mets and Yankees, or both the White Sox and Cubs. Some teams will not test every player. It will not help them to get back to work any sooner, and it's a completely different test from the one that tells if one is currently infected.
Again, from the article, they wanted to partner with a major corporation with employees in many metropolitan areas to get a good sample for the entire country. Many were given the opportunity but MLB is the one that the quickest to cooperate. Don't know who the others were that got the offer (GE would have been a good candidate), but MLB beat the others out.
A caution. Half of the country, roughly speaking, doesn't live in major metropolitan areas, but in the vast expanses between them.
I am concerned that the results of any study conducted only in major metro areas will not allow for the factors unique to that environment versus the factors present (and not) in more rural venues, and as such, any rules or guidelines proposed as a result of those studies will be imposed on rural areas as well without regard for the appropriateness of those measures for the rural environs. One size does not fit all.
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Not just the vehicle, but the driver (CCP).
:yowsa: With the willing assistance of a great number here.
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"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that." - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today
Part of the function of the WHO is to dispatch resouces to isolate, and contain events like this. According to the Hopkins site, 20% of the deaths from this disease are in the U.S. I agree with the POTUS..... The money spent on this farce has failed us. Cut 'em.
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Part of the function of the WHO is to dispatch resouces to isolate, and contain events like this. According to the Hopkins site, 20% of the deaths from this disease are in the U.S. I agree with the POTUS..... The money spent on this farce has failed us. Cut 'em.
I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19 comes from the year 2019. It kind of undercuts her expertise.
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Some good news from Ohio today (even though cases and deaths continue to rise).......
Ohio hospitals are putting together a plan to begin elective surgeries again.
Gov. DeWine is meeting with Ohio industries to begin to restart non-essential businesses.
When the stay at home orders diminish, Ohio is going to be ready to resume its robust economy.
Buckeye Strong! Leading the way.
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I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19 comes from the year 2019. It kind of undercuts her expertise.
Me on another tangent? Nahhhhhhhh..... Still, I put WHO up there with the UN and NATO... Time to stop underwriting these NWO boondoggles with United States tax dollars.
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Me on another tangent? Nahhhhhhhh..... Still, I put WHO up there with the UN and NATO... Time to stop underwriting these NWO boondoggles with United States tax dollars.
There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you. I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday. When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume. If he could have he should have waited until we re-open. JMO
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More Stores Changes At Walmart: Dedicated Senior, First Responder, High-Risk Grocery Pickup Times Available
By Dawn Geske 04/15/20 AT 2:54 PM
Walmart (WMT) has made more changes to its stores during the coronavirus pandemic. Now the retail giant is offering a dedicated pickup time for grocery customers that are most vulnerable for contracting COVID-19.
The new pickup hours are from 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. at select stores. The special pickup times are for those customers over the age of 60, first responders, consumers with disabilities, or anyone that has been designated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as high risk.
During all pickup times, Walmart workers are using enhanced social distancing and sanitation procedures to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Pickups are also contact-free, with customers opening their trunks and workers loading groceries with no need to sign for orders, Walmart said.
Read more https://www.ibtimes.com/more-stores-changes-walmart-dedicated-senior-first-responder-high-risk-grocery-pickup-2959313 (https://www.ibtimes.com/more-stores-changes-walmart-dedicated-senior-first-responder-high-risk-grocery-pickup-2959313)
Michigan, how awful:
Oakland County scouts ice rinks to potentially store bodies in 'last resort' scenario
Jennifer Dixon, Detroit Free Press Published 2:14 p.m. ET April 15, 2020
Oakland County is scouting ice rinks to store bodies during the coronavirus pandemic if its morgue runs out of space, county officials said Wednesday.
Casimir Miarka, administrator for the Oakland County Medical Examiner's Office, said the ice rinks would be used in a worst-case scenario.
County spokesman Bill Mullan said the morgue took in 10 bodies Wednesday from a hospital with its own morgue at capacity, the first since the coronavirus pandemic hit Michigan in March. He declined to identify the hospital.
Read more at: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2020/04/15/coronavirus-oakland-ice-rinks-bodies/5137771002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2020/04/15/coronavirus-oakland-ice-rinks-bodies/5137771002/)
I know there was some sort of blurb about what Chicago might do in the news this morning as well.
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There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you. I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday. When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume. If he could have he should have waited until we re-open. JMO
You are right. Pulling the rug out right now, is not good PR. Anger sometimes fosters drastic actions.
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I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19 comes from the year 2019. It kind of undercuts her expertise.
I thought we were all out of nits to pick. *****rollingeyes*****
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A caution. Half of the country, roughly speaking, doesn't live in major metropolitan areas, but in the vast expanses between them.
I am concerned that the results of any study conducted only in major metro areas will not allow for the factors unique to that environment versus the factors present (and not) in more rural venues, and as such, any rules or guidelines proposed as a result of those studies will be imposed on rural areas as well without regard for the appropriateness of those measures for the rural environs. One size does not fit all.
This study indicates 21% of Americans reside in rural or small towns.
The cities and "suburban-exurban areas dominate.
Reagan and Nixon came from suburban California. Bush I and II came from suburban Texas.
Carter, McGovern, Clinton came from rural small states.
I don't see a useful pattern.
I have watched suburban sprawl all of my life. (It has been called "White flight," too)
My wife and I have sort of 'surveyed" the West in search of the ideal type of setting. We concluded that small-medium metro areas of 50,000-100,000 are about ideal. Big enough for sshopping, entertainment yet close enough to small town lifestyles and to nature.
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There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you. I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday. When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume. If he could have he should have waited until we re-open. JMO
Sure is a good thing he doesn't have to 'cover' for the ordinary 7700+ deaths per day in the US. That would be a real SOB.
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I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19 comes from the year 2019. It kind of undercuts her expertise.
I don't think that's what she was implying at all. 'Twas a quip.
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Sure is a good thing he doesn't have to 'cover' for the ordinary 7700+ deaths per day in the US. That would be a real SOB.
You can't beat #1
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html)
COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the United States, killing more people per day than the previous top contenders, heart disease and cancer.
The new coronavirus was responsible for the deaths of 1,940 people on April 8 in the U.S., according to a graph published by Dr. Maria Danilychev, who specializes in geriatric medicine, internal medicine, and hospice and palliative medicine at Scripps Health in San Diego.
In comparison, heart disease and cancer took the lives of 1,774 and 1,641 people on a daily basis, respectively, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from 2018, the most recent year available, Danilychev wrote on the chart. Danilychev gathered the COVID-19 numbers from Worldometers.info.
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You can't beat #1
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html)
Considering heart disease and cancer are underlying conditions that increase COVID-19 mortality, and that the majority of the deaths took place in NYC, where no test is required to have been a presumptive COVID-19 victim, I would bet dimes to donuts that the heart disease and cancer numbers dropped off the usual curve to accommodate the desired statistics.
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"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that." - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today
Stolen from Twitter:
COVID-1
COVID-2 FAST 2 FURIOUS
COVID-3 WITH A VENGEANCE
COVID-4 JUDGEMENT DAY
COVID-5 CRUISE CONTROL
COVID-6 THE LEGEND OF CURLY’S GOLD
MAGNIFICENT COVID-7
COVID-8 MILE
DISTRICT COVID-9
COVID-10 COMMANDMENTS
OCEAN’S COVID-11
COVID-12 MONKEYS
COVID-13 GOING ON 30
COVID-14 THE DREAM WARRIORS
COVID-15 THE SEARCH FOR FAUCI
COVID-16 THE COVID AWAKENS
COVID-17 THE LAST COVID
COVID-18 THE RISE OF CORONAVIRUS
333cleo
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I don't think that's what she was implying at all. 'Twas a quip.
"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."
I see no logical way to read this except she thinks there is a COVID-1 to COVID-18 that came before COVID-19
COVID-1
COVID-2 FAST 2 FURIOUS
COVID-3D
COVID-4 JUDGEMENT DAY
COVID-5 CRUISE CONTROL
COVID-6 THE LEGEND OF CURLY’S GOLD
COVID-7 WITH A VENGEANCE
COVID-8 SECRET OF THE OOZE
COVID-9 COVIDS REVENGE
COVID-10 COVID TAKES MANHATTEN
COVID-11 THE FINAL COVID
COVID-12 COVID LIVES
COVID-13 COVID RETURNS
COVID-14 COVID FOREVER
COVID-15 THUNDERDOME
COVID-16 RAGNAROK
COVID-17 INFINITY WAR
COVID-18 ENDGAME
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COVID-15 THE SEARCH FOR FAUCI
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You can't beat #1
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html)
As Hillary Clinton stated, Trump made America First!
(You need to find a better place to shop for your quips.)
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Considering heart disease and cancer are underlying conditions that increase COVID-19 mortality, and that the majority of the deaths took place in NYC, where no test is required to have been a presumptive COVID-19 victim, I would bet dimes to donuts that the heart disease and cancer numbers dropped off the usual curve to accommodate the desired statistics.
If you had read the part I quoted you'd see the assertion is based off of 2018 statistics...the earliest available.
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As Hillary Clinton stated, Trump made America First!
(You need to find a better place to shop for your quips.)
@Cyber Liberty the #1 comes from the story not Hillary.
Do you ever wonder how others might get tired of you mindlessly attacking me instead of the facts? You're not good at it. :seeya:
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If you had read the part I quoted you'd see the assertion is based off of 2018 statistics...the earliest available.
Gee whiz, that's so like, two years ago. Surely between the shampeachment and the desire to have a candidate for POTUS, in a Democrat enclave like NYC, blood pressures are up and more arteries are hardening daily.
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@Cyber Liberty the #1 comes from the story not Hillary.
Do you ever wonder how others might get tired of you mindlessly attacking me instead of the facts? You're not good at it. :seeya:
Mindless? I prefer to think of my comments as being mindful. I'm hurt.
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Once a member here joked, about dead from a terrorism attack in Manchester England, at a conceret.
Then he disappeared.
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Mindless? I prefer to think of my comments as being mindful. I'm hurt.
Perhaps that is the best you can do. I take it back.
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"Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?"
@DB
Yes.
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You are right. Pulling the rug out right now, is not good PR. Anger sometimes fosters drastic actions.
Exactly @catfish1957 . The rats are going to run ads this fall that will start "In 2018, Trump fired the US pandemic response team and never replaced them." Then they will quote President Trump saying hoax, and COVID will magically disappear. Then they will say "With a pandemic killing thousands every day, Trump cut funding to the World Health Organization." I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying that ad will be devastating for anyone who lost a mom, dad, sister, brother, grandma, or grandpa.
The only people cheering this are not thinking ahead. They would have cheered just as loudly if it had been done closer to the election.
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Perhaps that is the best you can do. I take it back.
Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required. I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.
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04-15-2020 | 21:50 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.746 ↑ | 3.523 ↓ |
| United States | 1.694 ↑ | 13.333 ↓ |
| China | 23.284 ↑ | 1.058 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 112,031
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 25.5 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 87.3 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Big jump in recoveries (+10K). But offset by big jump in new cases 14 days ago. Still, good report. Three times higher than increase in deaths.
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Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required. I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.
I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.
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I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.
Some days are better than others....
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Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required. I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.
Fair enough. These are difficult days. No hard feelings on my side. :beer:
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Their scientific study doesn't help me. What would help me is knowing if I have developed antibodies for the virus. The antibody test would do that. But unfortunately, I cannot find a way to get one.
If I test positive for antibodies, I can then be tested for the virus. If the second test comes up negative, then I am free and clear. No more red tape BS. No more having to report the names (and companies) of everyone I have come within 6 ft of including date and time for the last 3 weeks. No more having to cower in my house when I could be out there helping others.
I don't have a crystal ball. It's impossible for me to answer the question as to when an antibody test will be available for all of us. The company mentioned in the article that I posted is one of many who are working on that test.
Abbott Labs just announced this today re the antibody test they have been working on: "Abbott said it will ship nearly 1 million tests this week to U.S. customers while ramping up manufacturing to ship 4 million tests in total in the month of April. By June and beyond, Abbott said it will be shipping 20 million tests in the U.S. per month." https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2020/04/15/abbott-labs-rolling-out-coronavirus-antibody-tests/#52da28e798d5 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2020/04/15/abbott-labs-rolling-out-coronavirus-antibody-tests/#52da28e798d5)
Given that there are many companies working on this, I would hope that it won't be long before us "nobodies" will have access to a test. How many are working on this? According to this (https://time.com/5819737/covid-19-blood-tests/ (https://time.com/5819737/covid-19-blood-tests/) the number is 70, but surely they won't all pan out.
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I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.
For @Cyber Liberty
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc#)
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Step by step, WWII veteran Tom Moore set out to raise money for British health workers by walking 100 laps in his garden by his 100th birthday at the end of April. His family thought he might collect $1,250. Donors have pledged $10 million so far.
https://apnews.com/9dcf983ffc52625a6d01e0d7338001f6
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ACME0ZNaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ACME0ZNaY#)
Todays press conference...already an hour in but you can slide back.
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It starts with a video clip from GM promising 30k ventilators by Aug. If there is a second wave we should be in good shape.
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It starts with a video clip from GM promising 30k ventilators by Aug. If there is a second wave we should be in good shape.
I liked the video GM made of changing an assembly floor over to a facility to assemble them. I just like time-lapse videos...I've been recording sunsets that way from my upper deck.
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With the whole nation under virtual lock down, why are we seeing 30,000 new cases each day? Ten thousand new cases today in New York alone. How could this be happening with all the draconian state-imposed regulations in place?
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I liked the video GM made of changing an assembly floor over to a facility to assemble them. I just like time-lapse videos...I've been recording sunsets that way from my upper deck.
You might like this one:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z57kGB-mI54#)
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With the whole nation under virtual lock down, why are we seeing 30,000 new cases each day? Ten thousand new cases today in New York alone. How could this be happening with all the draconian state-imposed regulations in place?
It was seeded before the measures were put in place.
And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures. (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).
Plus, the numbers lag behind the actual contamination by the virus so we are seeing a snapshot of the past with the present numbers. If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.
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You might like this one:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z57kGB-mI54#)
I remember that one. Yes, I liked that a lot!
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Step by step, WWII veteran Tom Moore set out to raise money for British health workers by walking 100 laps in his garden by his 100th birthday at the end of April. His family thought he might collect $1,250. Donors have pledged $10 million so far.
https://apnews.com/9dcf983ffc52625a6d01e0d7338001f6
Now, that's neat!
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It was seeded before the measures were put in place.
And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures. (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).
Plus, the numbers lag behind the actual contamination by the virus so we are seeing a snapshot of the past with the present numbers. If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.
That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging." I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight. There is no proof any of them even had it. But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones. There's no sugar-coating that.
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Now, that's neat!
I agree. People can do great things, given the chance.
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That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging." I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight. There is no proof any of them even had it. But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones. There's no sugar-coating that.
Exactly. Which is why, IMO, the fuss over a dishonest politician's padding the numbers (if it is proven that he has), should not harden us to the reality that people are dying a horrible death from this all over the country.
Yesterday there were 50 deaths in Ohio, and no one here is lying about anything. They have been upfront about everything from Day 1.
I think I'm more of a 'big picture' person than some, so when I find out a Leftist is trying to take advantage of people because of this very real crisis, I blame the leftist, and not the people who are trying (and succeeding) in doing the right thing to protect the people of their states, counties and cities..... especially those on the front line of this battle.
Cuomo and DiBlasio are wretched human beings, but if you know anything about what is really going on in NYC, you know it is absolutely horrendous.
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FWIW, I have had Covid 3 times.
Once pounded right beyween the eyes.
Once shoved down my throat.
And once shoved up my ass.
On the bright side, think of the millions who won't have to suffer through that. This. Whatever.
https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ (https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/)
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Exactly. Which is why, IMO, the fuss over a dishonest politician's padding the numbers (if it is proven that he has), should not harden us to the reality that people are dying a horrible death from this all over the country.
Yesterday there were 50 deaths in Ohio, and no one here is lying about anything. They have been upfront about everything from Day 1.
I think I'm more of a 'big picture' person than some, so when I find out a Leftist is trying to take advantage of people because of this very real crisis, I blame the leftist, and not the people who are trying (and succeeding) in doing the right thing to protect the people of their states, counties and cities..... especially those on the front line of this battle.
Cuomo and DiBlasio are wretched human beings, but if you know anything about what is really going on in NYC, you know it is absolutely horrendous.
M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.
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FWIW, I have had Covid 3 times.
Once pounded right beyween the eyes.
Once shoved down my throat.
And once shoved up my ass.
On the bright side, think of the millions who won't have to suffer through that. This. Whatever.
https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ (https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/)
Now, doggone it, Fred, there you go looking at the real big picture.
(The one that is being ignored while people are zoomed in on this outbreak).
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Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required. I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.
May I ask who left?
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May I ask who left?
roamer_1 and thackney.
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M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.
I'm a country boy myself, and the only big city I liked was Chicago, inside The Loop and Old Town. That part of the city had soul. Big Cities make me very uncomfortable. The worst? Downtown Dallas. You could stand on a street and never see the sun more than an hour or so every day. What a shit-pit.
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I'm a country boy myself, and the only big city I liked was Chicago, inside The Loop and Old Town. That part of the city had soul. Big Cities make me very uncomfortable. The worst? Downtown Dallas. You could stand on a street and never see the sun more than an hour or so every day. What a shit-pit.
When I was a kid we went on numerous field trips to Washington, D.C., Smithsonian, art galleries, Air and Space, the monuments, etc. Now, I'd take pause at walking there in broad daylight (always a risk more than two blocks from the National Mall).
It's funny, from the water, to the Mountains, from the desert to the prairie, I can settle in and be 'in tune' in five minutes. Not so in any city.
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M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.
Love to go there- Broadway shows, jazz clubs, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island......
But I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it.
Nonetheless, the very real suffering going on there now (ask Franklin Graham) is something that should deeply disturb all of us.
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Love to go there- Broadway shows, jazz clubs, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island......
But I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it.
Nonetheless, the very real suffering going on there now (ask Franklin Graham) is something that should deeply disturb all of us.
If I let it, it would. But I'm an old First Responder. You see the pain, but you can't let it eat your lunch. You have to make decisions, sometimes on which hang life and death, and do that dispassionately, quickly, accurately, and retain the ability to function. Yes, there are a lot of people hurting out there, not just from COVID-19, but from a host of other things, not the least of which is being out of work with no light at the end of that tunnel.
There's plenty of misery to go around in the world, this is just another flavor, but because it is an unknown, because we don't know how far, how many, how long, it is scarier than the run of the mill myocardial infarction, unless of course, you can't get any medical help because everyone is tangled up over COVID-19.
It's a shame the lovely drapes in the front room are ruined, but let's focus on the whole house fire, please.
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roamer_1 and thackney.
Why did thackney leave??
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If I let it, it would. But I'm an old First Responder. You see the pain, but you can't let it eat your lunch. You have to make decisions, sometimes on which hang life and death, and do that dispassionately, quickly, accurately, and retain the ability to function. Yes, there are a lot of people hurting out there, not just from COVID-19, but from a host of other things, not the least of which is being out of work with no light at the end of that tunnel.
There's plenty of misery to go around in the world, this is just another flavor, but because it is an unknown, because we don't know how far, how many, how long, it is scarier than the run of the mill myocardial infarction, unless of course, you can't get any medical help because everyone is tangled up over COVID-19.
It's a shame the lovely drapes in the front room are ruined, but let's focus on the whole house fire, please.
Your error is in thinking that concern over Covid means lack of concern over other issues.
It’s been apparent from the beginning.
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Why did thackney leave??
I. Don't. Know.
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Your error is in thinking that concern over Covid means lack of concern over other issues.
It’s been apparent from the beginning.
See? we're related.
Your error is in thinking that concern over other issues means a lack of concern over COVID.
:beer:
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skeeter posted in 1019 above:
"Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess."
Once again, for your consideration, Fishrrman's "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
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Not good...why did roamer_1 leave?? So sad, I really enjoyed conversations with him. Hopefully, he'll be back. :crying:
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See? we're related.
Your error is in thinking that concern over other issues means a lack of concern over COVID.
:beer:
Touché. :beer:
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Touché. :beer:
Maybe we can find some balance, sister? :seeya:
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Touché. :beer:
I've always known, never get into an argument with @Smokin Joe or @musiclady. :whistle:
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Who was saying we had more auto deaths a day, how'd that go, 16?? Now, were nearing 29,000. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
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skeeter posted in 1019 above:
"Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess."
Once again, for your consideration, Fishrrman's "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
Great post, straight info, not crying, not bullying.
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I've always known, never get into an argument with @Smokin Joe or @musiclady. :whistle:
888high58888
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Maybe we can find some balance, sister? :seeya:
I’ve got it.
Now it’s your turn.
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It was seeded before the measures were put in place.
Measures were put into place weeks ago, long past the period where symptoms begin to show.
And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures. (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).
I live in Georgia. SIP orders began March 23. Twenty-one days later, new cases continue to pop up.
If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.
The difference would be minimal, and certainly not worth the huge economic suffering that has been poured out upon the nation.
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Wondering if @corbe wants to run a poll on a vaccine?
Would you take it if it becomes available?
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skeeter posted in 1019 above:
"Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess."
Once again, for your consideration, Fishrrman's "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
Man I hope not. For my progeny’s sake.
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Why did thackney leave??
@musiclady
He told me he's taking a break...so I expect him to return..
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Not good...why did roamer_1 leave?? So sad, I really enjoyed conversations with him. Hopefully, he'll be back. :crying:
@libertybele I have hope he will return.... @roamer_1
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roamer_1 and thackney.
Oh my! Thackney was one of my favorite posters... bummer.
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Oh my! Thackney was one of my favorite posters... bummer.
They’re both great posters.
They both need to come back.
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They’re both great posters.
They both need to come back.
888high58888
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Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.
Related to topic, yelling someone about what they post, calling it alarmist, funny how folks aren't taking to the censorship of that.
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Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.
Related to topic, yelling someone about what they post, calling it alarmist, funny how folks aren't taking to the censorship of that.
The high road…… 888mouth
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Previously, I had posted from my self-created spreadsheet that tracks the number of daily increases in the virus here in CT (statewide) and in SW CT (Fairfield County).
Here's the latest edition, and it doesn't look very good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMPSmxYm/Screen-Shot-2020-04-15-at-9-49-37-PM.jpg)
You'll note that from 4/9 to 4/12, the number of new cases here in FF County were declining each day -- what could be expected if we were "past the peak".
But then... look at what's happened over the past few days (4/13 - 4/15). The numbers "jumped right back up again", with a vengeance.
Re-open too soon here in Connecticut, and there's definitely gonna be "a second wave".
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Connecticut just passed Louisiana in deaths per million.
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Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.
Yeah, he could of mixed it up with buffoon or comedian
or
jester
joker
prankster
harlequin
humorist
jokester
wisecracker
buffo
fool
kidder
zany
card
dolt
joculator
pierrot
punchinello
cut-up
droll
farceur
Funster
Gagman
Wag
gagster
jokesmith
madcap
mountebank
mummer
Picador
quipster
or even Ribald. /s
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Who was saying we had more auto deaths a day, how'd that go, 16?? Now, were nearing 29,000. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
What is this? A contest?
**nononono*
Sheesh!
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Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.
Related to topic, yelling someone about what they post, calling it alarmist, funny how folks aren't taking to the censorship of that.
Put a sock in it, will ya?
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Previously, I had posted from my self-created spreadsheet that tracks the number of daily increases in the virus here in CT (statewide) and in SW CT (Fairfield County).
Here's the latest edition, and it doesn't look very good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMPSmxYm/Screen-Shot-2020-04-15-at-9-49-37-PM.jpg)
You'll note that from 4/9 to 4/12, the number of new cases here in FF County were declining each day -- what could be expected if we were "past the peak".
But then... look at what's happened over the past few days (4/13 - 4/15). The numbers "jumped right back up again", with a vengeance.
Re-open too soon here in Connecticut, and there's definitely gonna be "a second wave".
That's the risk. It's going to be a delicate balance as to whether to open things back up and risk great loss of life or keep things closed and do more damage to the economy.
We need to be praying for our leaders to have great wisdom to knowing what to do to get things moving again. I'm thinking that it needs to be state by state because the situations in different states are so very different from each other.
Divine guidance is needed BIG time....
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Just in case anybody was wondering, my fatness has peaked and now I need to flatten the curves.
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roamer_1 and thackney.
@Smokin Joe
Looking back on @thackney 's posts I didn't see any indication something was up. Is he okay?
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@Smokin Joe
Looking back on @thackney 's posts I didn't see any indication something was up. Is he okay?
I don't know. Might just be burnout.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html)
After Anonymous Tip, 17 Bodies Found at Nursing Home Hit by Virus
The call for body bags came late Saturday.
By Monday, the police in a small New Jersey town had gotten an anonymous tip about a body being stored in a shed outside one of the state’s largest nursing homes.
When the police arrived, the corpse had been removed from the shed, but they discovered 17 bodies piled inside the nursing home in a small morgue intended to hold no more than four people.
“They were just overwhelmed by the amount of people who were expiring,†said Eric C. Danielson, the police chief in Andover, a small township in Sussex County, the state’s northernmost county.
The 17 were among 68 recent deaths linked to the long-term care facility, Andover Subacute and Rehabilitation Center I and II, including two nurses, officials said. Of those who died, 26 people had tested positive for the virus.
more at link
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Sixty-eight recent deaths, but only 26 were infected with SARS-2? I would guess they have much bigger problems at that nursing home.
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Sixty-eight recent deaths, but only 26 were infected with SARS-2? I would guess they have much bigger problems at that nursing home.
Perhaps they didn't test all of them. The shortage of testing is a big problem in determining how widespread this disease actually is. As has been said before, it will be a while before any conclusions can be drawn as to why people have died.
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Perhaps they didn't test all of them. The shortage of testing is a big problem in determining how widespread this disease actually is. As has been said before, it will be a while before any conclusions can be drawn as to why people have died.
If they were stacked 17 deep in a morgue designed for 4, someone wasn't doing something right, even if that something was just calling for help.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html)
After Anonymous Tip, 17 Bodies Found at Nursing Home Hit by Virus
more at link
17 from an anonymous tip? I'll venture there will be some firings and jail time to come.
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I thought these might add some much needed laughter,
Maybe someone can repost them correctly.
@Cyber Liberty one of them is our favorite kitty meme lord smudge! â¤ï¸
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17 from an anonymous tip? I'll venture there will be some firings and jail time to come.
@catfish1957
We can only hope. It all depends on where the nursing home is,and who owns it.
OOPS! I now see it is in NJ,so what is going to happen is someone in middle-management is going to take the hit,and it will be drawn out in the courts until everybody forgets about it. Then "he" will pay a fine and promise to never do it again before being promoted and transferred to a different job.
At NO time will the names of the actual owners or those responsible be mentioned.
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Just in case anybody was wondering, my fatness has peaked and now I need to flatten the curves.
You and me both!
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Put a sock in it, will ya?
@TomSea Enough of this bullshit. Quit abusing the posters and get a grip.
MOD4
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Shove your vulgarisms where the sun don't shine. Okay? Go play palsy with Music Lady, you sure as heck don't speak that way. KMA to you. Another bully.
One more time, I'm gonna miss the intellectual prowess of one who adds so much to the foirum with "Trumpy the Crowd" (spit).
Your on ignore and who needs this.
Mr. Oh, 16 people a day, as many as die in car accidents are dying from the corona.
First...switch to decaf...better for you while we endure this forced quarantine.
Second...YOU of all people calling anyone a bully and carping about mean things that people say is a place you need to avoid given your well documented posts insinuating violence and your own possessive aggressive forms of bullying on here.
@Smokin Joe is about the farthest thing from a bully we've got on this forum.
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The high road…… 888mouth
Yeah Tom clearly missed the exit for that path.
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Mr. Oh, 16 people a day, as many as die in car accidents are dying from the corona.
@TomSea
You may not like a truth,but that doesn't make it an untruth. Chances are MORE than 16 people a day die in car accidents. Frankly,I'd be surprised if that true number wasn't in the triple digits.
Also,dead is dead. Nobody is any deader from an infection than someone dead from a car accident.
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That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging." I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight. There is no proof any of them even had it. But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones. There's no sugar-coating that.
@Cyber Liberty expect to see NY and other states mortality rates allegedly related to the Chinese Virus increase because of the wording in the new CARES Act. It's giving hospitals somewhere close to a 20% increase in funds from Medicare if they classify their patients as having “a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID-19.â€
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Go ahead and insult, at least, I'm not doing the original scam of trying to censor others and being a cry baby if my insults got deleted, (SPIT).;. but apparently some people who can't debate the issues but only mock others would cry censoring, when they've tried it plenty to begin with, hypocrites.
Yet, they have to cry all about censorship themselves and hurt the forum with their lies, that's not what it is about. What can you expect from folks that can't put any kind of debate together because they don't have one.
And that's 4 years waiting that with the remark above. So, I'll ignore you too.
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Go ahead and insult, at least, I'm not doing the original scam of trying to censor others and being a cry baby if my insults got deleted, (SPIT).;. but apparently some people who can't debate the issues but only mock others would cry censoring, when they've tried it plenty to begin with, hypocrites.
Yet, they have to cry all about censorship themselves and hurt the forum with their lies, that's not what it is about. What can you expect from folks that can't put any kind of debate together because they don't have one.
And that's 4 years waiting that with the remark above. So, I'll ignore you too.
Again your complaints about insults and lies is gonna fall on deaf ears because of your posting history here.
What is your debate you're trying to form exactly here Tom? Cause I'm not seeing any.
Pot meet kettle.
Right now you're just throwing a tantrum because everyone doesn't post the same way and the same things that you do...and everyone here doesn't believe in posting nothing but sweetness and light about the President.
Diversity of thought and opinion is a Conservative/Republican trait.
Uniformity...marching in lockstep and...group think and a hive mentality are hallmarks of the left.
Just sayin...
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@Cyber Liberty expect to see NY and other states mortality rates allegedly related to the Chinese Virus increase because of the wording in the new CARES Act. It's giving hospitals somewhere close to a 20% increase in funds from Medicare if they classify their patients as having “a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID-19.â€
@txradioguy
That is a "sure thing" on the same scale as the sun rising tomorrow morning.
You ALWAYS get more of what you are willing to pay for.
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@txradioguy
That is a "sure thing" on the same scale as the sun rising tomorrow morning.
You ALWAYS get more of what you are willing to pay for.
@sneakypete or in this case what the Federal Government is willing to give you if you play the game the way they tell you to.
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Uniformity...marching in lockstep and...group think and a hive mentality are hallmarks of the left.
@txradioguy
It's also where the alleged "far right" and the far left meet and swap spit. Get out on the extremes,and it's damn hard to tell them apart.
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@TomSea
You may not like a truth,but that doesn't make it an untruth. Chances are MORE than 16 people a day die in car accidents. Frankly,I'd be surprised if that true number wasn't in the triple digits.
Also,dead is dead. Nobody is any deader from an infection than someone dead from a car accident.
And that's probably true, whatever the figure, the USA's Coronvirus went from a century mark, 100 deaths only week ago to now being at 28,640. Yet, some complain about some link with the 100 century mark figure was two days old or something. Flimsy arguments, not even worth the time. They are debating links.
So, there is no way we have had 25,000 deaths from car accidents in the mean time.
Besides, a great concern in turn, is of course, the burden in the health system. Period, beds, so on. Stories go both ways.
Anyway, I thank you @sneakypete
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Just in case anybody was wondering, my fatness has peaked and now I need to flatten the curves.
lol :silly:
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@txradioguy
It's also where the alleged "far right" and the far left meet and swap spit. Get out on the extremes,and it's damn hard to tell them apart.
Exactly! I've believed the same thing for years. Go far enough either way and you'll find people meeting in the middle.
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lol :silly:
@Once-Ler @mystery-ak
I like that Once-Ler is still so child-like he thinks it has peaked.
Next step is "adjusting" the scale and telling yourself you are losing weight.
Don't ask me how I know this.
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You may not like a truth,but that doesn't make it an untruth. Chances are MORE than 16 people a day die in car accidents. Frankly,I'd be surprised if that true number wasn't in the triple digits.
Also,dead is dead. Nobody is any deader from an infection than someone dead from a car accident.
Car accidents are actually down, thanks to our State government shutdown of the private sector economy. Think of all the lives that we could save if we keep people locked up in their homes for the next five years.
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Car accidents are actually down, thanks to our State government shutdown of the private sector economy. Think of all the lives that we could save if we keep people locked up in their homes for the next five years.
@Hoodat
Un,huh. Do the words "mass murder/suicide" ring any bells?
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Car accidents are actually down, thanks to our State government shutdown of the private sector economy. Think of all the lives that we could save if we keep people locked up in their homes for the next five years.
Nah. Five years? they'd just get fat and fall down the stairs, and homicides would spike.
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Trump mentioned yesterday in his news conference that he has to weigh deaths from the virus and deaths from being quarantined inside. Mental health issues, suicides, etc. To be honest I hadn't really thought of that. I did hear that alcohol use is up 50% since this has started. I can't imagine the spousal abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, etc that is or will be happening. This ship needs turned around NOW. We need to WORK! I used to have an office down the hall from our local alcohol/drug abuse counseling center. They aren't even working currently, so help for clients is probably nonexistent. I can't imagine how many who were in recovery are now abusers again..... This is going to be horrible.....
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Trump mentioned yesterday in his news conference that he has to weigh deaths from the virus and deaths from being quarantined inside. Mental health issues, suicides, etc. To be honest I hadn't really thought of that. I did hear that alcohol use is up 50% since this has started. I can't imagine the spousal abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, etc that is or will be happening. This ship needs turned around NOW. We need to WORK! I used to have an office down the hall from our local alcohol/drug abuse counseling center. They aren't even working currently, so help for clients is probably nonexistent. I can't imagine how many who were in recovery are now abusers again..... This is going to be horrible.....
I don't believe 'one-size-fits-all' took that into account.
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This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.
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And now for something completely different.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/original/4368375040/h57A181F9/)
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Trump mentioned yesterday in his news conference that he has to weigh deaths from the virus and deaths from being quarantined inside. Mental health issues, suicides, etc. To be honest I hadn't really thought of that. I did hear that alcohol use is up 50% since this has started. I can't imagine the spousal abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, etc that is or will be happening. This ship needs turned around NOW. We need to WORK! I used to have an office down the hall from our local alcohol/drug abuse counseling center. They aren't even working currently, so help for clients is probably nonexistent. I can't imagine how many who were in recovery are now abusers again..... This is going to be horrible.....
We had to burn the village to save it.
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Go ahead and insult, at least, I'm not doing the original scam of trying to censor others and being a cry baby if my insults got deleted, (SPIT).;. but apparently some people who can't debate the issues but only mock others would cry censoring, when they've tried it plenty to begin with, hypocrites.
Yet, they have to cry all about censorship themselves and hurt the forum with their lies, that's not what it is about. What can you expect from folks that can't put any kind of debate together because they don't have one.
And that's 4 years waiting that with the remark above. So, I'll ignore you too.
No, you have censored others, misrepresented their statements, and even shouted them down over abbreviations as common on the web as "http". You don't debate, but have bullied posters you don't agree with and often twist what they have said to disagree. You have hidden behind what power you have even as you have lied about what they have said. Go ahead, spit away. You've been frothing at the keyboard for days.
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I don't believe 'one-size-fits-all' took that into account.
"One size fits all" never works, neither with Leotards nor regulations.
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This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.
Groupthink über alles.
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Groupthink über alles.
NFW d00d!
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This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.
I respectfully disagree with that thought @jmyrlefuller
Sure there are members here that decide for whatever reason that they have had enough of whatever brought them here in the first place, it's called Spiritual Growth.
I for one give the Owner, her Admins and her Mods credit for keeping this place going in spite of the rather diverse thoughts and emotions within us all.
PS. I'm not kissing butt for a Mod Job, I truly believe this.
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This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.
@jmyrlefuller
Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO
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@jmyrlefuller
Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO
Thank you. :laugh:
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Here is a breakdown of Georgia SARS-2 deaths:
Gender:
Male - 57.2%
Female - 42.1%
Underlying Conditions:
Yes - 70.5%
No - 3.4%
Unk - 26.1%
Mean age - 72.3
Standard Deviation - 14.4
Percentage under Age 50 - 7.5%
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ND SARS-CoV-2 deaths
Age_Group Total_Cases Recovered Deaths
50-59 45 18 1
60-69 56 31 1
70-79 24 10 4
80+ 12 2 3
(no deaths under 50)
All had underlying medical conditions.
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I respectfully disagree with that thought @jmyrlefuller
Sure there are members here that decide for whatever reason that they have had enough of whatever brought them here in the first place, it's called Spiritual Growth.
I for one give the Owner, her Admins and her Mods credit for keeping this place going in spite of the rather diverse thoughts and emotions within us all.
PS. I'm not kissing butt for a Mod Job, I truly believe this.
I agree.
Plus some folks just need some time off, and I can understand that particularly now since it's easy to spend a whole lotta time here!
There are a handful of posters who do the "groupthink" thing, and mock and belittle people who dare to differ with them, but the owner and mods keep that in check.
I will say it again.......... this is the most open Conservative forum out there, and I'm sure it will remain that way.
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
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Thank you. :laugh:
He took a lot of ridicule before he lost his cool, IMO. It wasn't just disagreement. It was mockery of him as a person. Maybe the people who couldn't tolerate what he was posting should just put him on Ignore, or stay off the COVID-19 information threads.....
The Ignore feature is one of the best things about this forum, at least for me. Not only does it save me from seeing the snarky, nasty things a person or two says about me, but it also saves THEM from my razor sharp wit and intellectual superiority in response to their insults. happy77
Other folks I put there temporarily when a subject (like a global pandemic) makes them temporarily lose their minds. They'll be back off when they settle down, but for now, it keeps me from having to see the bullying insecurity that certain subjects (like global pandemics) reveal.
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
I'm sorry to hear that...
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
You up there?
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
Same here in Il...my military ID is about to expire and I can't get it renewed 9999hair out0000 it affects my health coverage which technically I won't have until my ID card is renewed...they told me not to worry..yeah right!
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Same here in Il...my military ID is about to expire and I can't get it renewed 9999hair out0000 it affects my health coverage which technically I won't have until my ID card is renewed...they told me not to worry..yeah right!
Don't sweat it. You can still go out and buy lottery tickets.
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
Understandably so.
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Same here in Il...my military ID is about to expire and I can't get it renewed 9999hair out0000 it affects my health coverage which technically I won't have until my ID card is renewed...they told me not to worry..yeah right!
They're not delaying the expiration dates or coming up with a different way to renew??
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He took a lot of ridicule before he lost his cool, IMO. It wasn't just disagreement. It was mockery of him as a person. Maybe the people who couldn't tolerate what he was posting should just put him on Ignore, or stay off the COVID-19 information threads.....
The Ignore feature is one of the best things about this forum, at least for me. Not only does it save me from seeing the snarky, nasty things a person or two says about me, but it also saves THEM from my razor sharp wit and intellectual superiority in response to their insults. happy77
Other folks I put there temporarily when a subject (like a global pandemic) makes them temporarily lose their minds. They'll be back off when they settle down, but for now, it keeps me from having to see the bullying insecurity that certain subjects (like global pandemics) reveal.
We all need to step away for a while at some point. I look at it like...I visited my brother and sister in law in Hungary many, many years ago. We were cooped up together in a dorm room for 3 weeks, as we traveled the country seeing sights etc. They taught in a local university there. About week 2 I was about to kill both of them...lol. Sometimes there is too much togetherness....
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They're not delaying the expiration dates or coming up with a different way to renew??
No...I asked them to do that...this is the military, everything by the books...
They told me if I need care and billed they will call the provider and inform them to re-bill......see where this is going..I will spend weeks getting the bills paid by TRICARE 9999hair out0000
I just can't get sick..lol
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We all need to step away for a while at some point. I look at it like...I visited my brother and sister in law in Hungary many, many years ago. We were cooped up together in a dorm room for 3 weeks, as we traveled the country seeing sights etc. They taught in a local university there. About week 2 I was about to kill both of them...lol. Sometimes there is too much togetherness....
Indeed! Step away and come back a nicer person! happy77
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No...I asked them to do that...this is the military, everything by the books...
They told me if I need care and billed they will call the provider and inform them to re-bill......see where this is going..I will spend weeks getting the bills paid by TRICARE 9999hair out0000
I just can't get sick..lol
Well, look at it this way..... if you never go anywhere, you won’t even catch a cold! happy77
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
**nononono*
I'm sorry to hear that....
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Indeed! Step away and come back a nicer person! happy77
You first! happy77
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You first! happy77
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@jmyrlefuller
Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Ohio businesses will begin coming back with safety guidelines on MAY 1!!!
Yesss!!!
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
I don't want to hear that ... you ARE OK!!! You may not be ok with the lock down (none of us are) but you WILL get through this with the rest of us in here. Keep posting and keep venting...
P.S. Don't forget to stop by the member's lounge .... it's a break from the ordinary in here ...
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@jmyrlefuller
Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO
Definitely glad to hear that decision. 888high58888
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmMNdiCz_s&feature=youtu.be#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmMNdiCz_s&feature=youtu.be#)
Thanks @Bigun !!!! :rolling:
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Gov. Evers to extend Wisconsin's Safer at Home Order
NBC 26 Staff | Posted at 12:56 PM, Apr 16, 2020 | Updated 2:03 PM, Apr 16, 2020
MADISON (NBC 26) -- Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers' "Safer at Home" order will be extended to May 26, according to a statement from the governor's office.
In a statement issued Thursday, the governor's office said Gov. Tony Evers directed Wisconsin Department of Health Services (DHS) Secretary-designee Andrea Palm to extend the Safer at Home order from April 24, 2020 to 8 a.m. Tuesday, May 26, 2020, or until a superseding order is issued.
https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/gov-evers-to-extend-wisconsins-safer-at-home-order (https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/gov-evers-to-extend-wisconsins-safer-at-home-order)
May 26. That's almost six weeks from now. Looks like Dem governors are beginning to line up to drag this out.
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Out of 8414 cases of Covid 19 in Ohio 1729 are healthcare workers.
Just to reiterate, one of the main reasons for us to restrict OUR activity is to protect THEIR LIVES!
It is not out of fear, but out of love that we do what we are doing.
If we didn’t these numbers would be far worse!
Keep it up for them.
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I have to ask you, @musiclady - what is going on with DeWine's sign language interpreter? What a performance. :laugh:
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Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Michigan Protesters ‘Endangering People’s Lives’
KYLE OLSEN | 15 APRIL 2020
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer lashed out at the freedom protesters who surrounded the capitol on Wednesday, telling reporters they were “endangering people’s lives.â€
Breitbart News reported live from the scene, which featured hundreds of people on the capitol lawn and thousands more in their cars, honking horns, blasting patriotic music, and waving American flags.
Whitmer, whom Joe Biden has said is on his short list for the vice presidential nomination, denounced the protesters, who were calling on her to rescind the onerous restrictions she had placed on the state’s citizens and let them go back to work.
“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,†Whitmer told reporters.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/)
Whitler doubles down on fascism.
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@jmyrlefuller
Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO
Everyone is yelling at each other now and on the end of their rope with others. I’m hearing neighbors yelling and it’s sad. I hope Tom can come back, he was a good mod. We’re all human right now and it’s hard.
“We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.â€
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I have to ask you, @musiclady - what is going on with DeWine's sign language interpreter? What a performance. :laugh:
I was watching the sign interpreter during a NY news conference the other day. After the oral speaker stepped away from the podium, another stepped forward to deliver the same message in Spanish. But the sign interpreter just stood there and did nothing. Clearly, this interpreter did not know how to sign in Spanish. New York should have had a Spanish sign interpreter to fill in. It's not fair.
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Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Michigan Protesters ‘Endangering People’s Lives’
KYLE OLSEN | 15 APRIL 2020
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer lashed out at the freedom protesters who surrounded the capitol on Wednesday, telling reporters they were “endangering people’s lives.â€
Breitbart News reported live from the scene, which featured hundreds of people on the capitol lawn and thousands more in their cars, honking horns, blasting patriotic music, and waving American flags.
Whitmer, whom Joe Biden has said is on his short list for the vice presidential nomination, denounced the protesters, who were calling on her to rescind the onerous restrictions she had placed on the state’s citizens and let them go back to work.
“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,†Whitmer told reporters.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/)
Whitler doubles down on fascism.
While the people on the lawn of the Capitol may have not been practicing "social distancing," the 10's of thousands of people in cars certainly were not, they were in cars. Michigan State Police said there were 10,000 cars and trucks.
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I was watching the sign interpreter during a NY news conference the other day. After the oral speaker stepped away from the podium, another stepped forward to deliver the same message in Spanish. But the sign interpreter just stood there and did nothing. Clearly, this interpreter did not know how to sign in Spanish. New York should have had a Spanish sign interpreter to fill in. It's not fair.
LOL! Remember the Sign Language translator for O'Bastard in South Africa? :rolling:
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While the people on the lawn of the Capitol may have not been practicing "social distancing," the 10's of thousands of people in cars certainly were not, they were in cars. Michigan State Police said there were 10,000 cars and trucks.
WHitler went on to say this:
She went on to blame the protesters for further restrictions she may impose in the future.
“So the sad irony here is that the protest is that they don’t like being in this stay home order,†she said, “and they may have just created the need to lengthen it.â€
Unbelievable.
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I have to ask you, @musiclady - what is going on with DeWine's sign language interpreter? What a performance. :laugh:
She's a hoot, isn't she?? :laugh:
She's become one of the most popular people in the state!
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WHitler went on to say this:
Unbelievable.
Princess Leia, to her antagonizer in the first movie, "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip though your fingers." It's like that.
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WHitler went on to say this:
Unbelievable.
She's a stark raving mad tyrant who will use every opportunity to clamp down further on the 1st amendment.
I hate Michigan for much more than football.
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LOL! Remember the Sign Language translator for O'Bastard in South Africa? :rolling:
That's what Ohio Gov. DeWine's interpreter looks like - plus, she looks exactly like him. She did a gesture yesterday I could have sworn meant, "Get thee behind me, Satan," though I could be mistaken.
(https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/08be28d/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1065x599+4+39/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewscripps.brightspotcdn.com%2F4b%2Fff%2F9385dde746089b1b8d5318e59797%2Fscreen-shot-2020-03-27-at-4.27.21%20PM.png)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ogden_images/www.theintelligencer.net/images/2019/01/13002805/DEWINE-1100x733.jpg)
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New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.
What's another month??! 9999hair out0000
No, I'm not OK.
@jmyrlefuller
I'm fine with them building a wall around it to prevent any of them from moving to retire down south.
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Fine, lock down NYC. Lock down Philadelphia. Lock down Detroit. Lock down all of the big cities where things are bad.
Just let the rest of the states' citizens get on with their lives.
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‘We Will Not Comply’ — Virginia Protesters Demand State Reopens
Justin Caruso | April 16, 2020 3:30 PM ET
Protesters gathered Thursday in front of the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond demanding that the state be reopened.
Virginians protesting stay-at-home orders due to coronavirus are following the lead of other protesters around the country. This week, protests occurred outside state capitols in Michigan, Kentucky, and North Carolina.
In North Carolina Tuesday, protesters were threatened and arrested by police, while in Michigan, there were protests against Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s lockdown orders Wednesday.
Local news outlet WFXR reports that three groups, End The Lockdown VA, Virginians Against Excessive Quarantine, and ReOpen Virginia, were involved in the “Reopen Virginia†demonstration.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/16/photos-reopen-virginia-protesters-richmond-not-comply/
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Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Michigan Protesters ‘Endangering People’s Lives’
KYLE OLSEN | 15 APRIL 2020
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer lashed out at the freedom protesters who surrounded the capitol on Wednesday, telling reporters they were “endangering people’s lives.â€
Breitbart News reported live from the scene, which featured hundreds of people on the capitol lawn and thousands more in their cars, honking horns, blasting patriotic music, and waving American flags.
Whitmer, whom Joe Biden has said is on his short list for the vice presidential nomination, denounced the protesters, who were calling on her to rescind the onerous restrictions she had placed on the state’s citizens and let them go back to work.
“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,†Whitmer told reporters.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/)
Whitler doubles down on fascism.
How about that? In a tremendous gaffe, a Democrat accidentally called those who disagreed with her "people".
Mark your calendar.
The folks most at risk were the protesters themselves.
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Fine, lock down NYC. Lock down Philadelphia. Lock down Detroit. Lock down all of the big cities where things are bad.
Just let the rest of the states' citizens get on with their lives.
LA and NY are talking about no large gatherings or sporting events until 2021
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Fine, lock down NYC. Lock down Philadelphia. Lock down Detroit. Lock down all of the big cities where things are bad.
Just let the rest of the states' citizens get on with their lives.
That would be nice because as much as I love my family I want to see others I want to go to the office each day and deal with the traffic getting there.
I also am really missing my morning coffee from Starbucks and yes even the annoying coworkers who are not really working...
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I was watching the sign interpreter during a NY news conference the other day. After the oral speaker stepped away from the podium, another stepped forward to deliver the same message in Spanish. But the sign interpreter just stood there and did nothing. Clearly, this interpreter did not know how to sign in Spanish. New York should have had a Spanish sign interpreter to fill in. It's not fair.
:pondering:
(And here I thought that signing was all the same language. Hu gnu?)
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LA and NY are talking about no large gatherings or sporting events until 2021
And that is their prerogative. Let Federalism reign!
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@jmyrlefuller
I'm fine with them building a wall around it to prevent any of them from moving to retire down south.
Paging Mr. Plishkin, Mr. Plishkin, pick up the white courtesy phone...
(https://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/v22vodart/332/p332_v_v8_aa.jpg)
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That would be nice because as much as I love my family I want to see others I want to go to the office each day and deal with the traffic getting there.
I also am really missing my morning coffee from Starbucks and yes even the annoying coworkers who are not really working...
That was me, during my final year at my old employer before I retired. My skills became obsolete when they started moving my tasks to a R&D lab in China. I spent a lot of time just reading shit on the web, as my tasks became fewer and fewer, until they eventually laid me off with a fat severance check.
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That was me, during my final year at my old employer before I retired. My skills became obsolete when they started moving my tasks to a R&D lab in China. I spent a lot of time just reading shit on the web, as my tasks became fewer and fewer, until they eventually laid me off with a fat severance check.
Such a hard life wink777
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That was me, during my final year at my old employer before I retired. My skills became obsolete when they started moving my tasks to a R&D lab in China. I spent a lot of time just reading shit on the web, as my tasks became fewer and fewer, until they eventually laid me off with a fat severance check.
Do you want an automation job?
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Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?
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Paging Mr. Plishkin, Mr. Plishkin, pick up the white courtesy phone...
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@Smokin Joe
True confession time.I now have several distant cousins living here who managed to escape from NYC,and they are never returning. One or more of their grandparents moved there during or after WW-2 for the jobs or opportunities,and the first one decided to come visit distant relatives on his high school graduation trip. He has never been back home since arriving here. He called his parents and told them to mail his tools and clothing to him because he wasn't coming back. Since then,several of his cousins have followed in his footprints,and none of them will go back. Not even for a relatives funeral on a short trip.
I once asked the original cousin what about visiting his mother and father,and he told me "They know where I live,and if they want to see me they are welcome to come visit."
Since he has been here over 30 years now without ever once going back,it seems he is serious about this.
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And that is their prerogative. Let Federalism reign!
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Yes I just hope they know what they are doing at the end of all of this.
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Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?
Category moderator.
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@Smokin Joe
True confession time.I now have several distant cousins living here who managed to escape from NYC,and they are never returning. One or more of their grandparents moved there during or after WW-2 for the jobs or opportunities,and the first one decided to come visit distant relatives on his high school graduation trip. He has never been back home since arriving here. He called his parents and told them to mail his tools and clothing to him because he wasn't coming back. Since then,several of his cousins have followed in his footprints,and none of them will go back. Not even for a relatives funeral on a short trip.
I once asked the original cousin what about visiting his mother and father,and he told me "They know where I live,and if they want to see me they are welcome to come visit."
Since he has been here over 30 years now without ever once going back,it seems he is serious about this.
Yeah, 30 years is an indicator...
I try to get back East to see my kin every few years, but somehow those intervals get longer than I want them to.
I love the people, even the place I grew up (really little changed in practice), but the rules there are too much.
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Wisconsin extends stay-at-home order through May 26, closes schools for rest of academic year
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/493177-wisconsin-extends-stay-at-home-through-may-26-closes
Wisconsin on Thursday extended its coronavirus stay-at-home order to be in effect until May 26 and closed its schools for the rest of the academic year.
Gov. Tony Evers (D) had previously indicated an extension to the order, originally effective through April 24, may be necessary as states and local governments across the country have dug in on their efforts to fight the coronavirus.
Evers is allowing some adjustments to the original order, including opening golf courses.
But conservatives have been pressuring Evers and other governors to reopen the government and end the stay-at-home order to allow the economy to function. Some have planned protests at the state Capitol on the original end date, a week from Friday.
more at link
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Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
52 Senate Republicans have been asked by President Trump to serve on the Opening Up America Again Congressional Group. The lone GOP Senator NOT invited... @MittRomney
2:56 PM · Apr 16, 2020
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Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
52 Senate Republicans have been asked by President Trump to serve on the Opening Up America Again Congressional Group. The lone GOP Senator NOT invited... @MittRomney
2:56 PM · Apr 16, 2020
I think that was the right choice.
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Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?
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I was thinking a bulldozer with chromed pipes, custom idler wheels, fancy tracks...
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Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
52 Senate Republicans have been asked by President Trump to serve on the Opening Up America Again Congressional Group. The lone GOP Senator NOT invited... @MittRomney
2:56 PM · Apr 16, 2020
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May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?
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May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?
A question so good I put it in big font.
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May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?
I might have had COVID-18½
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May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?
Not to my knowledge. I did have a few days I felt poorly, coughed up a bunch of junk and had a slight fever, and I got over it, but that was weeks ago. I took some erythromycin (500 mg/ day--which is a macrolide antibiotic, like Azithromycin) for a few days. That was back in February.
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Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?
I think it's supposed to be 'Mod cat'.
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I think it's supposed to be 'Mod cat'.
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Oh I love it! ***cool cat***
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I think it's supposed to be 'Mod cat'.
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That is adorable.
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04-16-2020 | 21:08 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.838 ↑ | 3.444 ↓ |
| United States | 1.661 ↓ | 11.786 ↓ |
| China | 23.307 ↑ | 1.057 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 146,146
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.1 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 75.7 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Global (excluding US & China) recovery rate after 14 days - 60.0 %
Global (excluding US & China) recovery rate after 21 days - 116.2 %
(Last figure above 100% shows that people diagnosed within last 21 days (i.e. not counted in denominator) have already recovered (and are included in the numerator). In other words, the rest of the world is showing more total recoveries today than they had total cases 21 days ago.
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Not to my knowledge. I did have a few days I felt poorly, coughed up a bunch of junk and had a slight fever, and I got over it, but that was weeks ago. I took some erythromycin (500 mg/ day--which is a macrolide antibiotic, like Azithromycin) for a few days. That was back in February.
Glad you're better. Wonder if you had a mild version? In any event, if it comes back, be prepared.
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https://twitter.com/SenatorLoeffler/status/1250836976237977601
Senator Kelly Loeffler @SenatorLoeffler
Thank you, @realDonaldTrump for appointing me to your task force on re-opening America safely in the wake of #COVID19.
With 22 million Americans filing for unemployment, it’s clear we must start working to revive our economy and get the American people back to work safely.
12:22 PM · Apr 16, 2020
Good luck with your next stock trades Sen. Loeffler
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https://twitter.com/SenatorLoeffler/status/1250836976237977601
Senator Kelly Loeffler @SenatorLoeffler
Thank you, @realDonaldTrump for appointing me to your task force on re-opening America safely in the wake of #COVID19.
With 22 million Americans filing for unemployment, it’s clear we must start working to revive our economy and get the American people back to work safely.
12:22 PM · Apr 16, 2020
Good luck with your next stock trades Sen. Loeffler
I think with the Blunt fiasco so close in the rear-view mirror, she's sensitive to the phrase "appearance of impropriety."
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Good luck with your next stock trades Sen. Loeffler
Loeffler could fix it all by taking the earnings and donating them to a charitable endeavor, thanking her (unseen) investors for being savvy.
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The best plan is to reach Speaker of the House, then become a lobbyist.
Paul Ryan, R-Washington DC.
Set for life
Kind of a Mitt Romney kind of "Republican"
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The best plan is to reach Speaker of the House, then become a lobbyist.
Paul Ryan, R-Washington DC.
Set for life
Kind of a Mitt Romney kind of "Republican"
"Kind of" is right! Ryan was depicted pushing Grandma off a cliff in a wheelchair, and yet he crawls back to the bastards begging for more punishment. The very definition of a "cuckold." Not just worthless but weak.
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Okay, time for something new....
For advanced cases in which symptoms of pulmonary edema are present.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=230110 (https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=230110)
Doctors Suspect Mystery COVID-19 Lung Problems, Plea for New Approach
By Peter Schelden on 04/09/2020 2:00 PM
Source: MedicineNet Health News
Some doctors are questioning the way ventilators are being used for people with serious cases of COVID-19. Why? More data shows a high death rate for patients treated under current ventilator practices.
At the same time, these doctors are saying their patients behave more like they have high altitude sickness than a viral infection. They talk about two different types of COVID-19 patients with differing severe lung problems.
While some patients respond to treatment as expected, doctors also describe patients whose lungs seem relatively fine, but who still can't get enough oxygen into their blood. These patients may make up the majority with severe infections.
>snip<
High altitude sickness often improves with taking breaks when needed, staying hydrated, and eating a proper diet. He also says that two drugs can be taken to help prevent the condition, but also warns of their serious side effects:
DIAMOX (acetazolamide): DIAMOX (acetazolamide) allows a person to breathe faster and so metabolize more oxygen, thereby minimizing the symptoms caused by poor oxygenation.
Dexamethasone (a steroid): It decreases brain and other swelling reversing the effects of acute mountain sickness (AMS). However steroids have been shown to be unhelpful in treating ARDS, and may worsen symptoms instead.
Dr. Shiel advises that these medications only be taken at the recommendation of a doctor. A study published March 30 specifically warns against treating COVID-19 patients with steroids, as the WHO has reported conflicting evidence with respect to their use in treating viral infections.
This came to my attention through a friend who linked a YouTube here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzu1AJRZJEI&fbclid=IwAR0OKtbp6p9I203FNGjA20zlVrc3jNbGA9cOIvbYNXegRJhwjz3n54HLJZE).
The rest is from a web search.
More here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7096066/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7096066/)
Acetazolamide, Nifedipine and Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors: Rationale for Their Utilization as Adjunctive Countermeasures in the Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
This study notes the similarities to High Altitude Pulmonary Edema, and suggests treatment of advanced cases with a similar regimen for the HAPE may be appropriate.
This review describes COVID-19 in parallel to HAPE. Deranged respiratory parameters that are present in both conditions are highlighted. The utilization of medications found to be effective in HAPE for the treatment of COVID-19 is proposed. Given the medical emergency of a growing contagion and the thousands of lives at stake, expedient attempts to improve survival are needed. Acetazolamide, Nifedipine and Phosphodiesterase inhibitors may present an opportunity for countermeasure development.
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Damn he's really that BALD, not that that's a bad thing, mind ya.
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Glad you're better. Wonder if you had a mild version? In any event, if it comes back, be prepared.
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I have wondered the same thing, but feeling fine, I'm not going in for testing, someone else might need a kit that would only satisfy my curiosity and really serve no other purpose.
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They are collecting your DNA!
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Damn he's really that BALD, not that that's a bad thing, mind ya.
RUSH - I Think I'm Going Bald
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnXXH5MCPKE#)
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They are collecting your DNA!
No biggie, just let the dog lick it...
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Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?
@Gemmarose
Same/same as a Dog Mod.
Pigeon Mods are a little different. They are kinda flighty,and leave a mess everywhere they go.
Hope this clears that up for ya!
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A question so good I put it in big font.
@Cyber Liberty
I got struck several times by various coeds when attending college. Does that count?
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tx wrote:
"LA and NY are talking about no large gatherings or sporting events until 2021"
This is plausible. Probably a ban on "large gatherings" until a proven vaccine becomes available. Certainly not before infection levels have fallen to a point where new infections are demonstrated to be negligible over a fixed period of time. We are far from that point as of yet, certainly wherever large populations exist.
I wonder how many people are going to be willing to gather with large numbers of others, at least for a while, even after the epidemic fades...?
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@Cyber Liberty
I got struck several times by various coeds when attending college. Does that count?
Oh, heck yeah!
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@Gemmarose
Same/same as a Dog Mod.
Pigeon Mods are a little different. They are kinda flighty,and leave a mess everywhere they go.
Hope this clears that up for ya!
I take personal offense at the Pigeon Mod analogy, @sneakypete
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I take personal offense at the Pigeon Mod analogy, @sneakypete
Tell me about it! Imagine the ignominy of being labeled an "Administrator," with big red boxes over my Nuclear Kitten Avatar!
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Maybe I'm just overly sensitive, as many appear to be these days, but I get the 'sneaky' feeling he was referring to me and my Polls category, my last vestige of importance here. :smokin:
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Maybe I'm just overly sensitive, as many appear to be these days, but I get the 'sneaky' feeling he was referring to me and my Polls category, my last vestige of importance here. :smokin:
Which is, I suppose, a way of saying you never had any vestiges at all? 333cleo 333cleo
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That Hurt! :beer:
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That Hurt! :beer:
Bu Hu?
Blame China.
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FYI @Smokin Joe
Earlier this week the North Dakota Industrial Commission (NDIC) estimated that 3,600 wells in the state were shut in during March and an additional 1,000 wells have stopped producing so far this month. Roughly 16,000 wells were producing in February. The production cuts from these shut-in wells are estimated to total 260 Mbbl/d. The shut-ins coincide with regulatory changes since the price collapse to suspend requirements that operators either plug and abandon wells that have been shut in for 12 months or bring them back on-line. The regulator has also eased restrictions on DUCs, allowing operators to delay completion activity beyond the normal period of within 12 months of drilling operations. These two regulatory changes will be in effect until WTI reaches at least $50/bbl for 90 days.
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Et Tu @Smokin Joe
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Et Tu @Smokin Joe
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We love ya, bro! :shrug: :tongue2:
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May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?
Well she's not a briefer, but even though she hasn't been tested, from her symptoms, we're pretty sure that my daughter has the virus. She has had a range of symptoms for about 2 weeks now. Lack of energy, no sense of taste, dry cough, some shortness of breath, only feverish for a day, some body aches. But who knows. It could all be psychosomatic, but I don't think so.
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FYI @Smokin Joe
Earlier this week the North Dakota Industrial Commission (NDIC) estimated that 3,600 wells in the state were shut in during March and an additional 1,000 wells have stopped producing so far this month. Roughly 16,000 wells were producing in February. The production cuts from these shut-in wells are estimated to total 260 Mbbl/d. The shut-ins coincide with regulatory changes since the price collapse to suspend requirements that operators either plug and abandon wells that have been shut in for 12 months or bring them back on-line. The regulator has also eased restrictions on DUCs, allowing operators to delay completion activity beyond the normal period of within 12 months of drilling operations. These two regulatory changes will be in effect until WTI reaches at least $50/bbl for 90 days.
Excellent move by the NDIC (Lynn Helms used to work for Hess, about the time I was doing wells for them, he's an old hand.).
This permits the oil to stay in the ground until the price comes back up, letting operators cut costs and not sell oil at a loss, saving on water disposal costs as well.
At the same time, because the State's extraction tax is based on a percentage of the oil revenue, that will allow the State to make more money later in tax revenues as the oil is selling at a higher price. (it's a win-win),
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@Gemmarose
Same/same as a Dog Mod.
Pigeon Mods are a little different. They are kinda flighty,and leave a mess everywhere they go.
Hope this clears that up for ya!
Perfect thanks :tongue2:
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@TomSea Enough of this bullshit. Quit abusing the posters and get a grip.
MOD4
Right. Enough of this bullshit.
Delete my account.
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Tell me about it! Imagine the ignominy of being labeled an "Administrator," with big red boxes over my Nuclear Kitten Avatar!
Nuclear Kitteh Ruiz
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Right. Enough of this bullshit.
Delete my account.
Nooooo.
Fred don’t leave. Please don’t leave, you’ll really break my heart @bigheadfred
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Nooooo.
Fred don’t leave. Please don’t leave, you’ll really break my heart @bigheadfred
I'm tired of this.
My email is on my profile.
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The 'last' departure was the straw that broke the proverbial Camel's back, for you @bigheadfred I had you figured for a Survivor, RECONSIDER.
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Right. Enough of this bullshit.
Delete my account.
@bigheadfred Tom is no longer here...
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The 'last' departure was the straw that broke the proverbial Camel's back, for you @bigheadfred I had you figured for a Survivor, RECONSIDER.
Listen.
I have researched this topic. From published papers to clickbait. Down rabbit holes and on.
I've posted the relevant facts. So have other posters.
Yeah. I get that most people lack the intelligence.
WHEN the mods ram their bulldog against one of the most articulate and storied posters here I am calling bullshit.
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Are we taking about the same person here @bigheadfred ~ TomC was a great contributer here, but personaly I'll miss @roamer_1 more.
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@bigheadfred Tom is no longer here...
Dead of covid overdose.
There shouldn't be some of the mindset being posted. It isn't a blame game.
Think about what it says under my avatar.
One Day Closer.
Either we the people rise up and end this shit. Or HE will. And if you REALLY believe. Then there is NO difference.
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Are we taking about the same person here @bigheadfred ~ TomC was a great contributer here, but personaly I'll miss @roamer_1 more.
Tom was a mass producer.
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@roamer_1 @bigheadfred
We'll leave the light on.
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Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
PF
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@roamer_1 @bigheadfred
We'll leave the light on.
@DB your light is on. So are ours.
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Dark Side of the Moon...
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Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
PF
Careful with that axe, Eugene.
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Tom was a mass producer.
Sure he was one of the Top Three, his input here will be surely missed, also in content, not just posted Topics.
Maybe we can all pick up some of the slack, it's not Rocket Surgery, ya know /JS :beer:
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Sure he was one of the Top Three, his input here will be surely missed, also in content, not just posted Topics.
Maybe we can all pick up some of the slack, it's not Rocket Surgery, ya know /JS :beer:
There is so many other factors at play here.
How many volcanoes recently erupted in Indonesia?
How far has the tech evolved with the apps being contrived by Apple and Google that track you with SOUND?
They have a vaccine against covid.
They have effective treatments against covid.
They have a cure for cancer.
Why do we need a Space Force?
Watch the earth changes.
You are all beings of resonance and frequency.
They have proven cosmic waves etal can change a one to a zero.
You computer nerds otta be able to code that.
There is a cure against Mad cow disease.
They used to call it common sense.
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Dark Side of the Moon...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLOth-BuCNY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLOth-BuCNY#)
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Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order
Forbes by Alexandra Sternlicht 4/16/2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143)
Smithfield Foods’ meat processing plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, has become the largest coronavirus hotbed in the United States with about 735 associate cases, while Gov. Kristi Noem has yet to issue a stay-at-home order.
Nearly 600 employees and 135 close contacts of now-closed the pork processing plant have tested positive for coronavirus, according to Argus Leader, making it the largest coronavirus hotspot in the United States, surpassing the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt and Cook County Jail in Chicago.
Smithfield Foods employee Augustin Rodriguez, 64, became the first coronavirus fatality from the plant’s outbreak when he died Tuesday morning, according to the Argus Leader, which reported that Rodriguez continued working at the plant after he began to have symptoms of COVID-19; he was hospitalized on April 4.
Smithfield Foods, owned by Hong Kong-based WH Group, is the largest pork processor in the world—and in addition to its Sioux Fall plant, Smithfield facilities in Cudahy, Wisconsin, Martin City, Missouri, and Arnold, Pennsylvania, have closed after employees at these locations tested positive for coronavirus.
More at link.
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Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order
Forbes by Alexandra Sternlicht 4/16/2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143)
Yikes.
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Someone asked if anyone here had COVID19.
It is both my belief and my wife's that we had COVID19 back in early January. We were both sicker than either of us have ever been. I am 66 and she at the time was 46.
My wife is a physician/CDC, and she keeps a small drugstore. She was the first to get sick, and I followed, presumably getting it from her. She knew something was unusual from the get-go. We started taking antibiotics, Tamiflu, and mega doses of Vitamin C.
In addition, I believe 100% that Chartreuse Green is medicinal. It is a liquor, made by French monks from 140 herbs, and since about 1983, I discovered that when I am becoming symptomatic, I always take a drink of Chartreuse before going to bed. 4 out of 5 times, I awaken symptom free. Through the years, my wife has also become a believer, and she is not into alcohol. So, perhaps Chartreuse helped as well.
In any case, we were both very sick, staying in bed fighting this. After the fever abated, we were both weak for a long period. It took quite a while for me to recover. Not sure if we had the weaker version or the harsher version, but neither of us want it again.
If our government healthcare folks were doing their job, we would have had an antibody test to verify if we had the virus. Someone is dropping the ball big time, and I can only figure too many of them are anti Trumpers, dragging their feet to make Trump look bad.
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My daughter finally feels like she has fully recovered. She heard today of an antibody blood test that's available and she plans on getting tested.
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Are we taking about the same person here @bigheadfred ~ TomC was a great contributer here, but personaly I'll miss @roamer_1 more.
@corbe @bigheadfred
I didn't agree with either on a number of issues,but if I only wanted to argue with myself I wouldn't need a computer.
You/me/none of us will ever learn anything new unless there is someone to occasionally tell us we are wrong,and why we are wrong. THAT we can argue with. Silence on their part makes debate impossible,and silence on OUR part means they must be right because we have no counter argument.
Don't go,Fred.
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Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
PF
@Hoodat
Discovering Pink Floyd was like having a religious experience.
Blues from the 25th Century.
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@Hoodat
Discovering Pink Floyd was like having a religious experience.
Blues from the 25th Century.
And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.
I like to stretch my drug dollar as much as the next guy, but that’s not the point. The point is this. 10 years have past, 20 years have past, 30 years have past and no flashbacks, what a gip that turned out to be, just more horse sh!t by the big acid companies, that’s all it is.
-Norm Macdonald
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And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.
I like to stretch my drug dollar as much as the next guy, but that’s not the point. The point is this. 10 years have past, 20 years have past, 30 years have past and no flashbacks, what a gip that turned out to be, just more horse sh!t by the big acid companies, that’s all it is.
-Norm Macdonald
Shoulda been Leary of claims like that...
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And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.
I like to stretch my drug dollar as much as the next guy, but that’s not the point. The point is this. 10 years have past, 20 years have past, 30 years have past and no flashbacks, what a gip that turned out to be, just more horse sh!t by the big acid companies, that’s all it is.
-Norm Macdonald
@Once-Ler
As usual,I am with Norm.
All these years later I am still feeling SORTA cheated,and I am still waiting for my freebie trips.
Can't really complain too much because I did have some mighty wonderful experiences.
BUT.....,like all really good things,there comes a time when you either gotta quit,or turn pro. I decided to quit.
Granted,it took me losing several months without a single clue as to where I had been or what I had been doing,but washing it down with white whiskey in gallon milk jugs might have contributed some of the confusion.
Not that it matters. For reasons I will never understand,I suddenly became stone-cold sober one day in an instant,and looked around me wondering about little thinks,like where I had been living,if I had a job,when I bought the car I was driving,etc,etc,etc.
Quitting was an EASY decision to make. If you can't remember what you have been doing,you surely haven't been having any fun,and having fun was the sole reason for taking drugs and drinking.
I can truthfully say I don't even miss it the way it was for me right before I quit because I had blacked out and had no freaking clue about what I had been doing.
Been sober ever since,and that "moment" happened some time in the late 70's.
Still,I would take a nice "freebie" if I could get it,and giggle like a school girl while it was happening. As I am sure some of you know,there are some things you just can't explain to people who have never "been there".
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Shoulda been Leary of claims like that...
I saw what you did there.
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I saw what you did there.
It's nice to be appreciated. :beer:
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May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?
Someone asked if anyone here had COVID19.
It is both my belief and my wife's that we had COVID19 back in early January. We were both sicker than either of us have ever been. I am 66 and she at the time was 46.
My wife is a physician/CDC, and she keeps a small drugstore. She was the first to get sick, and I followed, presumably getting it from her. She knew something was unusual from the get-go. We started taking antibiotics, Tamiflu, and mega doses of Vitamin C.
In addition, I believe 100% that Chartreuse Green is medicinal. It is a liquor, made by French monks from 140 herbs, and since about 1983, I discovered that when I am becoming symptomatic, I always take a drink of Chartreuse before going to bed. 4 out of 5 times, I awaken symptom free. Through the years, my wife has also become a believer, and she is not into alcohol. So, perhaps Chartreuse helped as well.
In any case, we were both very sick, staying in bed fighting this. After the fever abated, we were both weak for a long period. It took quite a while for me to recover. Not sure if we had the weaker version or the harsher version, but neither of us want it again.
If our government healthcare folks were doing their job, we would have had an antibody test to verify if we had the virus. Someone is dropping the ball big time, and I can only figure too many of them are anti Trumpers, dragging their feet to make Trump look bad.
I have a similar story.
I became suspicious over the last few weeks that both my wife and I got covid one week apart in early February. She (working at a nursing home) was first to get sick with persistent symptoms, then me with less severe symptoms that lasted four or five weeks.
A couple of weeks ago several patients on the fifth floor (where ICU patients are treated) began dying. It must have freaked out everybody because they closed the floor and gutted it, stripped every fixture out and did a thorough decontamination.
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Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?
@Gemmarose
To answer seriously, "category moderator." One of the levels of administration here on the site.
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Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order
Forbes by Alexandra Sternlicht 4/16/2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143)
Smithfield, as a food processing facility, would have been exempt from the order anyway, so it wouldn't have done one bit of good.
But hey, let's stoke the groupthink mentality.
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Smithfield, as a food processing facility, would have been exempt from the order anyway, so it wouldn't have done one bit of good.
But hey, let's stoke the groupthink mentality.
Here, let's throw some gasoline on that fire.
On May 29, 2013, WH Group, then known as Shuanghui Group or Shineway Group, the largest meat producer in China, announced the purchase of Smithfield Foods for $4.72 billion, a sale first suggested in 2009.
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Here, let's throw some gasoline on that fire.
On May 29, 2013, WH Group, then known as Shuanghui Group or Shineway Group, the largest meat producer in China, announced the purchase of Smithfield Foods for $4.72 billion, a sale first suggested in 2009.
:yowsa: I pointed out this fact a couple of days ago on a related thread.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398258.msg2189796.html#msg2189796 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398258.msg2189796.html#msg2189796)
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Smithfield, as a food processing facility, would have been exempt from the order anyway, so it wouldn't have done one bit of good.
But hey, let's stoke the groupthink mentality.
The headline may be misleading, but the story is disturbing.
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The headline may be misleading, but the story is disturbing.
@musiclady
HEY! Cut the dictators that own China some slack! After all,they already own China and everyone and everything in China,so they have nothing to spend the trillions on that they pull in from America,thanks primarily to the Bush and the Clinton Crime Families.
Can you imagine the horrors of having trillions in cash,and nothing to buy with it?
Have you no mercy? Where is your humanity? </S>
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@musiclady
HEY! Cut the dictators that own China some slack! After all,they already own China and everyone and everything in China,so they have nothing to spend the trillions on that they pull in from America,thanks primarily to the Bush and the Clinton Crime Families.
Can you imagine the horrors of having trillions in cash,and nothing to buy with it?
Have you no mercy? Where is your humanity? </S>
Makes a guy wonder what would happen if all the dictators there got sick and died....
How would the Chinese react to being free?
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And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.
-Norm Macdonald
@Once-Ler
That was my exact thinking as well.
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@musiclady
HEY! Cut the dictators that own China some slack! After all,they already own China and everyone and everything in China,so they have nothing to spend the trillions on that they pull in from America,thanks primarily to the Bush and the Clinton Crime Families.
Can you imagine the horrors of having trillions in cash,and nothing to buy with it?
Have you no mercy? Where is your humanity? </S>
You speak the truth.... I've been having it out with a sibling about China. They seem to think that China can do no wrong. They entertain Chinese "students" who come into our country to study at a well known university. They study anything from business to engineering. The group of them live together with a "minder", who is a loyal communist party person, to make sure they don't stray. I find the entire setup disgusting. Students from the USA should have these slots and not foreigners...especially Chinese. And of course I get this from my sibling.....the virus didn't come from the Wuhan lab, it was just an accident in the food market....and even if it did...there is no way to prove it. They don't call Austin weird for nothing.....lol.
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And of course I get this from my sibling.....the virus didn't come from the Wuhan lab, it was just an accident in the food market....and even if it did...there is no way to prove it.
This is the thing about liberal 'reasoning' [sic] that bugs the heck out of me. What this person is saying is that truth doesn't matter. It's like having all their premises suspended in the air connected together with springs. When you disprove (i.e. remove) a premise, the force of the springs readjusts the positions of the remaining premises until it reaches a new equilibrium. At no point is this person's belief changed. Only their reasoning [sic] for it.
In the example above, let's say there is a way to prove, and that it was proved the virus came from the Wuhan lab. The springs would adjust, new premises would be invented, and the new argument would be "Yes, it came from the Wuhan lab. But that's not China's fault."
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From a University of Maryland doctor via Twitter:
Faheem Younus, MD @FaheemYounus
1h
We are fighting COVID
~30 patients received SOME of the following experimental treatments. 0 deaths!
Hydroxychloroquine
Lovenox - prevent clots
Remdesivir - treat PNA
Tocilizumab - treat cytokine storm
HFNC/proning - prevent ventilation
Plasma
Possibilities attached
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVz15XbWoAEwWsH?format=jpg&name=360x360)
9:47 AM · Apr 17, 2020
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Makes a guy wonder what would happen if all the dictators there got sick and died....
How would the Chinese react to being free?
@Smokin Joe
Total chaos. The Chinese,in all the history of China,have NEVER been free. They have always been subjects.
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@Smokin Joe
Total chaos. The Chinese,in all the history of China,have NEVER been free. They have always been subjects.
True, I guess. Even under Chiang, it was pretty much a warlord and the peasants...
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You speak the truth.... I've been having it out with a sibling about China. They seem to think that China can do no wrong. They entertain Chinese "students" who come into our country to study at a well known university. They study anything from business to engineering. The group of them live together with a "minder", who is a loyal communist party person, to make sure they don't stray. I find the entire setup disgusting. Students from the USA should have these slots and not foreigners...especially Chinese. And of course I get this from my sibling.....the virus didn't come from the Wuhan lab, it was just an accident in the food market....and even if it did...there is no way to prove it. They don't call Austin weird for nothing.....lol.
@mrpotatohead
Those "students" are in reality Officers in the Chinese "Peoples Liberation Army",and their assignment is to "mine" US industries and schools for trade secrets,blueprints,formulas,etc,etc,etc,that they can steal and take back to China for the Chinese to use to create their own production for their military to use,or to make cheap Chinese duplicates to flood the American market with to put Americans out of work.
The "group leader" is actually the senior officer,and his job is to monitor and command the junior officers under his command.
Make no mistake about it,this is nothing less than economic warfare.
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@mrpotatohead
Those "students" are in reality Officers in the Chinese "Peoples Liberation Army",and their assignment is to "mine" US industries and schools for trade secrets,blueprints,formulas,etc,etc,etc,that they can steal and take back to China for the Chinese to use to create their own production for their military to use,or to make cheap Chinese duplicates to flood the American market with to put Americans out of work.
The "group leader" is actually the senior officer,and his job is to monitor and command the junior officers under his command.
Make no mistake about it,this is nothing less than economic warfare.
@sneakypete , here's a blast from the past for you:
EMPLOYEE'S BODY IS FOUND IN COMMERCE DEPT. OFFICE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1996/11/30/employees-body-is-found-in-commerce-dept-office/73570a2f-cd90-48bd-8424-fc54cfe81cbd/)
Barbara Wise worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Huang of course was the Chicom agent who worked his way into the Commerce Dept, and then copied and faxed massive quantities of classified documents from the US Patent Office to the Chicoms.
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@sneakypete , here's a blast from the past for you:
EMPLOYEE'S BODY IS FOUND IN COMMERCE DEPT. OFFICE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1996/11/30/employees-body-is-found-in-commerce-dept-office/73570a2f-cd90-48bd-8424-fc54cfe81cbd/)
Barbara Wise worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Huang of course was the Chicom agent who worked his way into the Commerce Dept, and then copied and faxed massive quantities of classified documents from the US Patent Office to the Chicoms.
@Hoodat
I saw this personally when I was a letter carrier with the USPS. The Chinese students in this country were continually mailing back huge packages with manuals and blueprints back home to China. I notified the Postal Inspectors,and they told me it was legal,and there was nothing they could do about it.
Industrial espionage is "legal". Who knew?
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https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like (https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like)
ow deadly is Covid-19 compared to seasonal flu, past pandemics, or car crashes?
To offer context, we have produced two charts showing coronavirus deaths along with deaths from other common causes in the past to which the disease has recently been compared. One chart shows deaths for the United States, the other for New York, the state hardest hit.
Note that the data sets begin at different points in the year (as marked on the left). Also note that the figures shown here are for new deaths each week, not for cumulative deaths.
(https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200414_CovidweeklydeathsUSv2.jpg)
more at link
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@sneakypete , here's a blast from the past for you:
EMPLOYEE'S BODY IS FOUND IN COMMERCE DEPT. OFFICE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1996/11/30/employees-body-is-found-in-commerce-dept-office/73570a2f-cd90-48bd-8424-fc54cfe81cbd/)
Barbara Wise worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Huang of course was the Chicom agent who worked his way into the Commerce Dept, and then copied and faxed massive quantities of classified documents from the US Patent Office to the Chicoms.
Was that before or after Ron Brown's plane crashed on a sunny day (and he had that .45 caliber hole in his head).
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https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like (https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like)
ow deadly is Covid-19 compared to seasonal flu, past pandemics, or car crashes?
To offer context, we have produced two charts showing coronavirus deaths along with deaths from other common causes in the past to which the disease has recently been compared. One chart shows deaths for the United States, the other for New York, the state hardest hit.
Note that the data sets begin at different points in the year (as marked on the left). Also note that the figures shown here are for new deaths each week, not for cumulative deaths.
(https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200414_CovidweeklydeathsUSv2.jpg)
more at link
Oh look! The virus has it's very own hockey stick!
Now, measure the area under the curve.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/ (https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/)
US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November — TV report
White House was reportedly not interested in the intel, but it was passed onto NATO, IDF; when it reached Israel’s Health Ministry, ‘nothing was done’
US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.
According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.
Information on the disease outbreak was not in the public domain at that stage — and was known only apparently to the Chinese government.
US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,†but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.
The network said Israeli military officials later in November discussed the possibility of the spread of the virus to the region and how it would affect Israel and neighboring countries.
The intelligence also reached Israel’s decision makers and the Health Ministry, where “nothing was done,†according to the report.
more at link
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/ (https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/)
US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November — TV report
White House was reportedly not interested in the intel, but it was passed onto NATO, IDF; when it reached Israel’s Health Ministry, ‘nothing was done’
more at link
I wonder if that's the same US intelligence that spent all that time ginning up stuff to feed the FBI (even though they don't do domestic work) to try to impeach the President.
What did who know and when did they know it, and why was it not brought to the POTUS' attention by the Intel agencies and the CDC< and all the people whose job it is to make damned sure the message gets through?
Besides, if it was in November, then the whole "wet market" fairy tale falls flat on it's keester.
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Oh look! The virus has it's very own hockey stick!
Now, measure the area under the curve.
I’d like to know the criteria used to attribute Corona deaths to the actual virus. We know different reporting bodies have gotten very creative.
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I wonder if that's the same US intelligence that spent all that time ginning up stuff to feed the FBI (even though they don't do domestic work) to try to impeach the President.
What did who know and when did they know it, and why was it not brought to the POTUS' attention by the Intel agencies and the CDC< and all the people whose job it is to make damned sure the message gets through?
I think someone should be asking Peter Navarro this.
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Written by Bill O'Reilly
That simple thoughtful gesture saved me a lot of reading. Thank you.
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@mrpotatohead Can you provide a link to the O'Reilly piece and please excerpt it? Thanks.
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Written by: Bill O'Reilly
He's as right as rain! Thanks for posting @mrpotatohead. Do you by chance have a link?
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Here's a link. Can't find the original. May be fake.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theerant/bill-o-reilly-on-wuhan-virus-t104979.html (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theerant/bill-o-reilly-on-wuhan-virus-t104979.html)
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I'm not sure Trump will do anything to China. He keeps talking about how great China is, which is NOT what I would be saying right now.
It does not matter if the release of the virus from the lab in Wuhan was intentional or unintentional, China is responsible. With that said, they should pay for the lion's share of cost for this outbreak.
I would like to see the end of trade with China. I do not mind paying more for products, and the fact is, I have been boycotting China products froM the day it was discovered they were putting poison in their baby formula. Notably, dog products are largely from China and India, but I look for USA only. I will not subject my dog to eating anything from those two countries. And the same for other products, and I have noticed Made in the USA does not mean COST MORE. Most USA products are comparable and at times cheaper.
SO, I BUY PRODUCTS MADE IN THE USA FIRST, AND THEN MADE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT CHINA SECOND. BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS!!! F*&^ CHINA!!!
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This is what O'Reilly wrote on April 12 from his website:
There is a wall of doom being erected in America. The media is building it by sensationalizing coverage of the pandemic, instead of providing facts and honest context to people who desperately need it.
Here are some recent headlines found on the net.
- Economic Devastation Looms
- Record Bankruptcies Predicted
- Pandemic Will Cleve Nation in Two
- Broke Americans Consider Selling Blood
- Czech Nudists Told to Wear Face Masks
Only the last story was based on a factual occurrence. The others used speculative opinion throughout the articles.
While it is certainly true that the press has always used flaming leads, this time there is a dark reason to do it. The deadly virus spreads quickly and without warning. That creates mass fear. And fear creates opportunity.
There are Americans, including some media chieftains, who believe four more years of President Trump is actually worse for the country than the contagion. So while the virus is amongst us, it should be used to damage the President as much as possible.
Therefore, doom is a much better context than hope. Any positive development is scrutinized while negative occurrences are quickly gathered and spotlighted. You cannot build a wall of doom upon a foundation of better times ahead.
The primary construction crew of the horror wall is the usual far-left apparatus that also sees a chance to damage the capitalist system. Thus, a spate of reports on how much Americans will suffer economically even after the virus abates.
We saw this when Bernie Sanders demanded the federal government pay every workers full salary throughout the pandemic. That, of course, would collapse the US dollar as the Treasury Department would have to print trillions in paper currency to meet the obligation.
But that’s what Sanders, George Soros, and elements at The New York Times, want - economic and societal chaos. So a new “world order†can be built based on Marxist redistribution principles.
With that in play, let’s welcome in the Thunder Doom spectacle. It is here for all to see. And please note exactly who is putting bricks in that wall.
They are not looking out for you.
https://www.billoreilly.com/b/The-Strategy/431809981594190092.html (https://www.billoreilly.com/b/The-Strategy/431809981594190092.html)
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/493359-matterhorn-in-swiss-alps-lit-up-with-american-flag-in-show-of
(https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/matterhorn_gerry_hofstetter_gabriel_perren.jpg)
The famous Matterhorn mountain in the Swiss Alps was illuminated with an American flag this week in a show of solidarity for the U.S. during the coronavirus pandemic.
Light artist Gerry Hoffstetter projected the flag onto the 14,692 foot peak on Thursday as part of a nightly series supporting those combating COVID-19.
"Our thoughts are with all American people at this unprecedented time. We look forward to meeting again at the foot of the Matterhorn, we are all in this together," the tourism organization Zermatt Matterhorn wrote on its Facebook page.
more at link
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/493359-matterhorn-in-swiss-alps-lit-up-with-american-flag-in-show-of
(https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/matterhorn_gerry_hofstetter_gabriel_perren.jpg)
more at link
Cool beans.
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"Our thoughts are with all American people at this unprecedented time. We look forward to meeting again at the foot of the Matterhorn, we are all in this together," the tourism organization Zermatt Matterhorn wrote on its Facebook page.
That's nice. I'm hoping to visit the Matterhorn next year and will hoist a Cardinal lager in their honor.
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Cool beans.
This makes it ours now, I think.
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I wonder if that's the same US intelligence that spent all that time ginning up stuff to feed the FBI (even though they don't do domestic work) to try to impeach the President.
What did who know and when did they know it, and why was it not brought to the POTUS' attention by the Intel agencies and the CDC< and all the people whose job it is to make damned sure the message gets through?
Besides, if it was in November, then the whole "wet market" fairy tale falls flat on it's keester.
At the indicated timeframes, they were between Spygate, Meuller report, Russia-gate, Ukraine-gate, Impeachment.
Adam Shitt, Nan from shitty San Fran, Shumer, and Jerold thin-man Nadler, couldn't have possibly been interested in the safety of America.
LTC Vindman was still considering his offer to head Unraine's military forces. Dr. Hill, was waiting instructions from Russia, how to proceed next.
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04-17-2020 | 21:04 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.857 ↑ | 3.364 ↓ |
| United States | 1.605 ↓ | 11.822 ↑ |
| China | 16.827 ↓ | 1.061 ↑ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 179,009
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.5 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 63.0 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Big jump in China fatalities, proving their numbers cannot be trusted. Recoveries in US still going unreported. 37% of survivors infected 3 weeks ago still not listed as 'recovered'. The political stakes are growing. Lines are being drawn.
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I'm not sure Trump will do anything to China. He keeps talking about how great China is, which is NOT what I would be saying right now.
It does not matter if the release of the virus from the lab in Wuhan was intentional or unintentional, China is responsible. With that said, they should pay for the lion's share of cost for this outbreak.
I would like to see the end of trade with China. I do not mind paying more for products, and the fact is, I have been boycotting China products froM the day it was discovered they were putting poison in their baby formula. Notably, dog products are largely from China and India, but I look for USA only. I will not subject my dog to eating anything from those two countries. And the same for other products, and I have noticed Made in the USA does not mean COST MORE. Most USA products are comparable and at times cheaper.
SO, I BUY PRODUCTS MADE IN THE USA FIRST, AND THEN MADE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT CHINA SECOND. BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS!!! F*&^ CHINA!!!
Oh, the Bard...(hopefully)
Mark Antony at the Forum...Act 3, Scene 2, Julius Caesar
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest--
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men--
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral.
Later in the scene...
O masters, if I were disposed to stir
Your hearts and minds to mutiny and rage,
I should do Brutus wrong, and Cassius wrong,
Who, you all know, are honourable men:
I will not do them wrong; I rather choose
To wrong the dead, to wrong myself and you,
Than I will wrong such honourable men.
and then...
Will you be patient? will you stay awhile?
I have o'ershot myself to tell you of it:
I fear I wrong the honourable men
Whose daggers have stabb'd Caesar; I do fear it.
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At the indicated timeframes, they were between Spygate, Meuller report, Russia-gate, Ukraine-gate, Impeachment.
Adam Shitt, Nan from shitty San Fran, Shumer, and Jerold thin-man Nadler, couldn't have possibly been interested in the safety of America.
LTC Vindman was still considering his offer to head Unraine's military forces. Dr. Hill, was waiting instructions from Russia, how to proceed next.
Exactly!
They were more focused on the coup attempt than the safety of the United States.
Not just Dereliction of Duty, but giving aid and comfort ...
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"Recovery from coronavirus may not confer immunity, warn experts"
https://www.france24.com/en/20200417-recovery-from-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts (https://www.france24.com/en/20200417-recovery-from-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts)
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"Recovery from coronavirus may not confer immunity, warn experts"
https://www.france24.com/en/20200417-recovery-from-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts (https://www.france24.com/en/20200417-recovery-from-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts)
This is very interesting. This is strictly my opinion. Reading the article, they are saying the virus doesn't mutate to reinfect. They are saying the virus has somehow decided to form a different approach than other illnesses. It has armed itself with the ability to strike, in a military way, through a number of different options. Natural viruses don't do that. Not within a short time frame. Thanks for the post, @DB.
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This is very interesting. This is strictly my opinion. Reading the article, they are saying the virus doesn't mutate to reinfect. They are saying the virus has somehow decided to form a different approach than other illnesses. It has armed itself with the ability to strike, in a military way, through a number of different options. Natural viruses don't do that. Not within a short time frame. Thanks for the post, @DB.
Yep, They said:
Another pre-publication study that looked at 175 recovered patients in Shanghai showed different concentrations of protective antibodies 10 to 15 days after the onset of symptoms.
"But whether that antibody response actually means immunity is a separate question," commented Maria Van Kerhove, Technical Lead of the WHO Emergencies Programme.
"That's something we really need to better understand -- what does that antibody response look like in terms of immunity."
Indeed, a host of questions remain.
"We are at the stage of asking whether someone who has overcome COVID-19 is really that protected," said Jean-Francois Delfraissy, president of France's official science advisory board.
...but they also said this:
"The only real solution for now is a vaccine," Archie Clements, a professor at Curtin University in Perth Australia, told AFP.
How do vaccines work? You produce antibodies...
Someone is giving us a smoke enema.
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Yep, They said:
...but they also said this:
How do vaccines work? You produce antibodies...
Someone is giving us a smoke enema.
I am not a vaccine expert. In my small understanding a vaccine targets a specfic feature of the disease. the polio vaccine. The smallpox vaccine, etc.
How can "they" say that a vaccine is the only solution when they can't target the specific trait?
I am not an antivaxxer. I have spent time overseas in third word shitholes. And apparently didn't die from the specific diseases or vaccinations recommended. Not to mention the vaccines I had as a kid here. I have had an initial and two followups vaccinations for RABIES. Prolly need another shot the way I've been foaming at the mouth here.
I have a high interest in defeating treatable diseases. My Hep C. I admit it. I gave it up. I was so sick when I got to the point of trying an opioid for the pain and that didn't help I was done. A part of that was I felt shame for letting myself and my family down. My wife got me by the balls, beat me about the face and ears, and told me I wasn't done. She said I saved her because she married a MAN. And she could save me because she understood that she had the strength to be a WOMAN.
That might sound weird. Maybe I phrased it poorly.
I joined this forum in search of a friend I wanted to say goodbye to. Lost from TOS. I found them FWIW, but here, here, I found somethng even better than a friend. I found a family.
This is going to sound even weirder. There was no need for me to continue my robot 2 thread. All of you all ya'll done did it tomorrow.
Yeah. That smoke enema.Tomorrow. Either we are clear of this shit. Or we are clear on this shit.
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This guy was at a rona rally today. Looks fake to me. Why is he wearing a mask?
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Yep, They said:
...but they also said this:
How do vaccines work? You produce antibodies...
Someone is giving us a smoke enema.
I noticed that too. It antibodies only last a few years then perhaps they are implying that you can get vaccinated every so many years keeping your immunity up. Essentially a booster shot. If that could be done world wide for a few years the virus ought to be eradicated.
Another big question is if you can get it again do your antibodies from a previous go around significantly lessen the symptoms the next time even after a long period of time? If it were far less severe then getting it again isn't as big a deal. If that isn't the case, that's pretty concerning.
Strange how this virus seems to be so different than how corona type viruses normally behave...
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I am not a vaccine expert. In my small understanding a vaccine targets a specfic feature of the disease. the polio vaccine. The smallpox vaccine, etc.
How can "they" say that a vaccine is the only solution when they can't target the specific trait?
I am not an antivaxxer. I have spent time overseas in third word shitholes. And apparently didn't die from the specific diseases or vaccinations recommended. Not to mention the vaccines I had as a kid here. I have had an initial and two followups vaccinations for RABIES. Prolly need another shot the way I've been foaming at the mouth here.
I have a high interest in defeating treatable diseases. My Hep C. I admit it. I gave it up. I was so sick when I got to the point of trying an opioid for the pain and that didn't help I was done. A part of that was I felt shame for letting myself and my family down. My wife got me by the balls, beat me about the face and ears, and told me I wasn't done. She said I saved her because she married a MAN. And she could save me because she understood that she had the strength to be a WOMAN.
That might sound weird. Maybe I phrased it poorly.
I joined this forum in search of a friend I wanted to say goodbye to. Lost from TOS. I found them FWIW, but here, here, I found somethng even better than a friend. I found a family.
This is going to sound even weirder. There was no need for me to continue my robot 2 thread. All of you all ya'll done did it tomorrow.
Yeah. That smoke enema.Tomorrow. Either we are clear of this shit. Or we are clear on this shit.
I'm not an expert either, Fred. But I do know vaccines cause the body to develop antibodies against a specific disease so the body can stop it before it gets started..
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Home Free - Quarantine
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0#)
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They are closing so many businesses down that it forces people to shop in the ones that are open. More people together stuck in a larger line for an extended period of time. Stores that would be glad to have a customer forced to close in favor of stores that are forced to limit the number of customers, and cashiers, that on a daily basis were short wait stores. Stupid.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV3JuonXQAEyeVx.jpg)
This guy was at a rona rally today. Looks fake to me. Why is he wearing a mask?
Left wing staged fake photo, kind of like the "Moran" one.
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It is a given that the Chinese are evil,soulless bastards,so has anyone else considered the possibility that this virus is a result of the Chinese trying to create a vaccine they can use for their own troops before they set loose a deadlier virus on the world?
Since they may be among the least creative people in the world,it backfired on them and their "vacinnation" got out of the lab and morphed into a virus,itself?
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@Smokin Joe @bigheadfred
I've had two flu shots in my life taken approx 40 years apart both nearly killed me so there will not be a third and neither will I take one for this virus.
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Mr. M told me he heard a statistic repeated on the news yesterday that 70% of the virus deaths have been of overweight people.
Regular exercise can help protect from severe coronavirus complication
By Vincent Barone
April 17, 2020 | 11:38pm
When it comes to fighting the coronavirus, exercise is preventative medicine, according to one new study.
Regular cardiovascular workouts may help protect future coronavirus patients from developing a severe complication and major cause of death known as acute respiratory distress syndrome, according to research from Zhen Yan of the University of Virginia School of Medicine.
Yan, the director of the Center for Skeletal Muscle Research at UVA’s Robert M. Berne Cardiovascular Research Center, recommends 30 minutes of cardiovascular training every day to help ward off the respiratory disease. ...
More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/regular-exercise-can-help-protect-from-severe-coronavirus-complication/)
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Mr. M told me he heard a statistic repeated on the news yesterday that 70% of the virus deaths have been of overweight people.More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/regular-exercise-can-help-protect-from-severe-coronavirus-complication/)
Left unremarked, these are people who consider 70% of the total population is "obese."
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@Smokin Joe @bigheadfred
I've had two flu shots in my life taken approx 40 years apart both nearly killed me so there will not be a third and neither will I take one for this virus.
I have never had a flu shot.
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I have a high interest in defeating treatable diseases. My Hep C. I admit it. I gave it up. I was so sick when I got to the point of trying an opioid for the pain and that didn't help I was done. A part of that was I felt shame for letting myself and my family down. My wife got me by the balls, beat me about the face and ears, and told me I wasn't done. She said I saved her because she married a MAN. And she could save me because she understood that she had the strength to be a WOMAN.
That might sound weird. Maybe I phrased it poorly.
Doesn't sound weird to me, at all. I've "spoken" with her on Bookface, a fantastic lady, for which you are a lucky man...no...a wealthy man.
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I have never had a flu shot.
I haven't, either, nor the other recommended vaccinations (pneumonia, shingles). No vaccination at all, in fact, since the last measles shot as a child, which gave me a mild case. In all my decades of life without a flu shot, I've actually had the flu fewer than three times.
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Home Free - Quarantine
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0#)
888mouth 888high58888
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I haven't, either, nor the other recommended vaccinations (pneumonia, shingles). No vaccination at all, in fact, since the last measles shot as a child, which gave me a mild case. In all my decades of life without a flu shot, I've actually had the flu fewer than three times.
I take the flu shot every year and have never had a bad reaction to the shot. A company I do some work for gave all of their employees flu shots and the very next week 3/4's them had the flu. The Dr. giving the shot said it was impossible...but...there it happened. I plan on getting a pneumonia shot when all of this virus crap goes away. I have a good friend that took 2 different pneumonia shots, then came down with pneumonia a couple of years later that almost killed him. So then there's that.....lol.
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Okay, let's look at this
From the NY Post article: https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/regular-exercise-can-help-protect-from-severe-coronavirus-complication/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/regular-exercise-can-help-protect-from-severe-coronavirus-complication/)
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated between 20 and 42 percent of all patients hospitalized with COVID-19 will develop ARDS.
Research predating the pandemic suggested that approximately 45 percent of patients who develop severe ARDS will die, according to a news release from the University of Virginia Health System.
Using real numbers from ND, of 439 cases, 47 were hospitalized (11%).
Using the high estimation of 42%, 4.5% of the original total will develop ARDS, 2% of the original number will die.
Using the low estimation of 20%, 2.1% of the original total will develop ARDS, or just under 1% of the original total will die.
Testing the model, without any consideration of other factors, that means that of the 439 cases in ND, at the high end 9 deaths would be expected, at the low end, 4 deaths. While cases remain unresolved, there have been 9 deaths in the State. Age group from 50 to 80+, skewed toward the higher ages, and all with "underlying medical conditions".
Those numbers work out, but that does not address specific cause/effect relationships, only statistics that might be the same for people who consume products containing water, without more specific information.
Getting back to the original "Underlying Medical Conditions" which were originally used to define increased risk,
Heart disease
Hypertension
Diabetes
COPD and other pulmonary issues
Cancer (likely due to immune compromise from chemo/radiation)
HIV/AIDS
While age and obesity have been brought up, repeatedly, the likelihood of the above conditions (except HIV/AIDS which is behaviourally controlled) generally increases with age and obesity, so if we look at why age and obesity are factors, we get back to those same underlying medical conditions. The only other factor might be that obesity increases the amount of inflammation present in the body, which may contribute to the overall potential for ARDS.
The other numbers ....Of 439 cases, and the 47 hospitalized, only 16 remained in hospital. Thirty one of those cases were resolved, and assuming the 9 folks who died were in hospital at the time, shows that 71% of those who went into the hospital and whose cases are resolved survived. Sixteen cases are pending, and those numbers could go either way, up or down.
Presently, of the 439 positive cases, 41% are resolved (181), 95% of those are recovered (172), and 59% are yet to be resolved.
There is no data on whether the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate regimen has been used, nor whether the treatments for HAPE (High Altitude Pulmonary Edema) have been used on critical patients exhibiting ARDS symptoms, so the efficacy of those courses of treatment cannnot be commented on in this context.
While 2% of those who tested positive in ND have died, and 59% of cases remain unresolved, the other number is this: 12,342 had been tested as of !!:00 CDT yesterday's report. Of those, 11903 tested negative. Only 3.6% tested positive, of those tested, of those tested, 0.07% have died of COVID-19.
Trends:
It is too early to be breathing sighs of relief, here.
The number of active cases has been steadily increasing, leveling off every 4 days, after the 4 day interval peaks in new cases. The number of positive tests jumped by the greatest number of new cases just yesterday, by 46 new cases, though only 16 remain in hospital statewide. Overall, sharpest increases in new cases appear four days apart, and yesterday's reported peak was no exception (data up to April 16th).
While past performance is no indication of future returns, it is unlikely we have peaked here yet.
22 of 53 counties report no cases at all.
13 counties have only one, nine other counties from 2 to 5 cases.
Human factors:
Spread, as noticed after the initial case, has been generally along the I-94 corridor and the US 2 corridor, east/west transportation links.
The four major north/south highways I-29 in the East (Fargo to Grand Forks and north) Hwy52/281 between Jamestown and Devil's Lake, Highway 83 (Bismarck/Mandan to Minot) and Highway 85 (North from the State line w/S. Dakota to Williston and north) transect other counties also with cases, the exceptions being Benson County south of Devil's Lake, and Trail and Pembina counties in the East side of the State, the former between Fargo and Grand Forks (where people would fuel up and drive through, as a rule) and Pembina County being next to the Canadian Border, and likely not getting much non-local traffic since the outbreak.
The highest numbers of cases are in counties with cities with larger populations in the State, Fargo, Bismarck/Mandan, Dickinson along the I-94 corridor, and Grand Forks and Minot, along the US 2 corridor.
Cass County, Where I-29 and I-94 cross at Fargo, has the highest number of confirmed cases, accounting for 42% of the cases in the State. Sixty nine percent are in counties along I-94.
There is no indication that there was spread associated with the first case known in the State, who was a rural resident in Ward county who self isolated and recovered at home.
Reopening the State for business: When it happens, will be data driven, and not on a set time frame, according to the announcements from the Governor and Dept of Health.
I'm fine with that over some arbitrary timeline, and would be okay with that on a county by county basis, even, with the caveat that some services may cause people to cross county lines and ultimately bring the infection to areas that currently do not have any cases at all.
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I haven't, either, nor the other recommended vaccinations (pneumonia, shingles). No vaccination at all, in fact, since the last measles shot as a child, which gave me a mild case. In all my decades of life without a flu shot, I've actually had the flu fewer than three times.
I got the pneumonia vaccination in 2002, after I was hospitalized for the only time in my life with pneumonia. I have had the occasional bout with 'lung crud', but never been seriously ill since (thankfully), unless you count getting a basal cell carcinoma carved out of me.
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My wife is a staunch anti-vaxer. After our son was diagnosed with autism, she did A LOT of research. Vaccines have never been a problem for me (although I do happen to have this sort of ADD-Asperger combo thingie going on). But I made the decision to stop getting them after a flu shot killed my next door neighbor last year.
I won't ever get another vaccine, even for this. My son is OK now, but hasn't had another vaccine shot since age 2½.
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My wife is a staunch anti-vaxer. After our son was diagnosed with autism, she did A LOT of research. Vaccines have never been a problem for me (although I do happen to have this sort of ADD-Asperger combo thingie going on). But I made the decision to stop getting them after a flu shot killed my next door neighbor last year.
I won't ever get another vaccine, even for this. My son is OK now, but hasn't had another vaccine shot since age 2½.
I see your point, but I am not going to be totally comfortable in public until I get a vaccine. My age, pre-existing, etc.
I know of a death in my area, and I knew the guy. It hit home for sure.
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My wife is a staunch anti-vaxer. After our son was diagnosed with autism, she did A LOT of research. Vaccines have never been a problem for me (although I do happen to have this sort of ADD-Asperger combo thingie going on). But I made the decision to stop getting them after a flu shot killed my next door neighbor last year.
I won't ever get another vaccine, even for this. My son is OK now, but hasn't had another vaccine shot since age 2½.
Tetanus can be a big deal that shouldn't be ignored.
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Tetanus can be a big deal that shouldn't be ignored.
I got mine renewed when I put the nail through my hand....lol.
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I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s. Stepped on several nails since.
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It is a given that the Chinese are evil,soulless bastards,so has anyone else considered the possibility that this virus is a result of the Chinese trying to create a vaccine they can use for their own troops before they set loose a deadlier virus on the world?
Since they may be among the least creative people in the world,it backfired on them and their "vacinnation" got out of the lab and morphed into a virus,itself?
@sneakypete
I have had to fight the tendencies to go all tinfoil on this (Never go ALL Tinfoil*), but there is a possibility that this is a 'biowar lite' event, intentional or otherwise.
Given the 2015 paper was published about research carried out in North Carolina (in 2104), that the information was taken back to Wuhan to the Institute of Virology by two of the researchers, and SARS-CoV2 has many of the attributes of that research, there are a number of malevolent possibilities that come to mind.
By some accounts, however, the level of security at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan left much to be desired, and accounts (which may be trying to kluge the 'wet market' fable with the lab origin to get something more generally politically palatable and less embarrassing than reality) even exist of selling lab animals to markets rather than destroying them as protocol required. (That way the CCP can blame greedy, counterrevolutionary, rule breaking capitalism for the outbreak instead of communist incompetence or a malicious release.)
With the most malicious intent, Can't make the CCP look bad, after all, and the round-eyed dogs aren't dropping like flies like they were supposed to... so...PLAn B :shrug:
Hanlon's Razor states: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Even though I have been cut on those Razors (Occam's comes to mind), barring clear and compelling evidence of malice constituting casus belli, it is unlikely that this incident will be anything but a footnote in the preface of the next great global conflict.
There are a lot of steps left in that dance yet, and the band is still strumming away,
*arcane Tropic Thunder reference.
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I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s. Stepped on several nails since.
I hadn't had one in over 10 years when I put the nail through my hand...naturally I was volunteering at the time. I didn't think that much about it and continued to work. When I got in my truck to head home I noticed my hand swelling big time, so headed to the Doc in the Box....$75 later all was good...lol.
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I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s. Stepped on several nails since.
It's been at least ten years for me since I had a tetanus shot. They are supposed to last that long, and I had a bunch of them when I was younger.
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I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s. Stepped on several nails since.
They last a long time.
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Doesn't sound weird to me, at all. I've "spoken" with her on Bookface, a fantastic lady, for which you are a lucky man...no...a wealthy man.
This is a ghostship. And I am a mere passenger.
I asked a question a long time ago and I got an answer. That answer "took" eleven years.
I intentionally troll you all. Not out of malice. Not out of some deranged sense of satisfaction. And I use the word troll to intentionally cause a reaction to that word within the current general understanding.
My response to the answer of my question was the sound of silence. So I asked another question? Why will they listen to me when they don't listen to themselves...to you? He told me you don't have to "tell" them. You have to "show" them.
My actions speak louder than words. Those actions did two things. One was to be reviled. The other was to be given a gift. Proof. Of LIFE. A girl. Deprived. Abused. A slave.
I have to preface this. I found out later that when I was in high school people thought I was gay. Because I didn't engage in the boys locker room talk of girls. And I didn't talk to girls like they were objects of desire. Even though that is what they "wanted". There was one girl I did take an interest in. Deprived. Abused. A slave. They called her "boogie". She dressed like a slut. She talked like a slut. Not because she was one. She was crying for help. She was/is the most intelligent female I have ever encountered. On a person to person basis. Part of that eleven year answer.
So now back to this.
Proof. Of LIFE. A girl. Deprived. Abused. A slave.
I try to make a joke. That I was driving home from work and here is this girl laying in the road. And I damned near spilled mt beer trying to not run over her. Picked her up, tossed her in the back of my truck, got her home, cleaned her up. She shined up really well. I say this in defense of her. Because that is what that town and even her parents thought of her.
I showed her the truth. That she is a magnificent person created by the LOVE of GOD. Somewhere she decided I was worthy enough to be her husband. I'm good with that.
I am not lucky. I am not fortunate. I am not wealthy.
I have the opportunity. To share with great joy. The power of the LOVE OF GOD with a woman. My friend. My companion. My wife. When I say 'My" it is in noway implying or stating I have ownership over her.
And as a reminder to all of you. If I refer to any female member of this board as a girl, it is out of respect. If I refer to any male on this board as a girl it is out of respect to forum guidelines. Because what I really mean is "you little bitch".
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@sneakypete
I have had to fight the tendencies to go all tinfoil on this (Never go ALL Tinfoil*), but there is a possibility that this is a 'biowar lite' event, intentional or otherwise.
Given the 2015 paper was published about research carried out in North Carolina (in 2104), that the information was taken back to Wuhan to the Institute of Virology by two of the researchers, and SARS-CoV2 has many of the attributes of that research, there are a number of malevolent possibilities that come to mind.
By some accounts, however, the level of security at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan left much to be desired, and accounts (which may be trying to kluge the 'wet market' fable with the lab origin to get something more generally politically palatable and less embarrassing than reality) even exist of selling lab animals to markets rather than destroying them as protocol required. (That way the CCP can blame greedy, counterrevolutionary, rule breaking capitalism for the outbreak instead of communist incompetence or a malicious release.)
With the most malicious intent, Can't make the CCP look bad, after all, and the round-eyed dogs aren't dropping like flies like they were supposed to... so...PLAn B :shrug:
Hanlon's Razor states: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Even though I have been cut on those Razors (Occam's comes to mind), barring clear and compelling evidence of malice constituting casus belli, it is unlikely that this incident will be anything but a footnote in the preface of the next great global conflict.
There are a lot of steps left in that dance yet, and the band is still strumming away,
*arcane Tropic Thunder reference.
There are way too many coincidences all pointing in the same direction. Combine that with the Chinese culture of cutting corners at virtually every opportunity to get ahead and you end up with an unintentional lab leak as the most likely source.
China needs to pay a very heavy cost for this. Their cheating and cutting corners has caused incalculable world wide damage this time around. They've had numerous rounds before but this one is at an entirely new level. Enough is enough.
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@bigheadfred Where did you score the mescalin?
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@bigheadfred Where did you score the mescalin?
FU mister DEA
From @Cyber Liberty. Well, from his yard.
There is some wild shit going on down there.
Don't tell him that.
He'll de moat me.
The actual truth is my wife has enough Indian in her she has a connect to Leroy down on the Rez.
That's right. Bad, Bad Leroy Brown. Now you know mister DEA. Who is breaking bad.
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There are way too many coincidences all pointing in the same direction. Combine that with the Chinese culture of cutting corners at virtually every opportunity to get ahead and you end up with an unintentional lab leak as the most likely source.
China needs to pay a very heavy cost for this. Their cheating and cutting corners has caused incalculable world wide damage this time around. They've had numerous rounds before but this one is at an entirely new level. Enough is enough.
Essentially, since we aren't in a shooting war, here, I think the repercussions could be a win-win for the US.
Primarily in trade and manufacturing.
We should rebuild our own manufacturing base, raw materials (ore) to finished product. From Rare Earths to base and precious metals, pharmaceuticals, steel stock to electronics, and especially with more things becoming interlaced and subject to remote access (5G), we should make our own and not trust a likely future adversary with controlling the manufacture of our specific technology nor access to that.
In the event of a shooting war, are we going to procure our materiel from a potential adversary? That which is necessary to the war effort from the front to at home?
Sending manufacturing offshore (building plants there) only sent capabilities and techniques with it that ultimately have dual use--after all, everyone during WWII here adapted.
(Singer sewing machine and Remington typewriter were making firearms. Auto manufacturers made tanks and heavy trucks, etc. ) But we had the iron ore and steel industry to back that up. The components for the radios were made here.
Even today, pillow manufacturers shifted to making masks.
This is a wake-up call.
Border security: Yes, sounds like a fine idea. Make it so. It will never be 100%, but that is no reason not to strive for 99.999%
National Security: Currently, virtually any foreign power can send students to the US to loot whatever information, research, and current knowledge and send it home. Similarly, the loss of intellectual property to other powers' likely state sponsored robbery must be horrendous. It's time to reconsider how beholden our University system (especially STEM) is beholden to and infiltrated with foreign powers.
And it is time to get those in our government to start putting America First again.
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There are way too many coincidences all pointing in the same direction. Combine that with the Chinese culture of cutting corners at virtually every opportunity to get ahead and you end up with an unintentional lab leak as the most likely source.
China needs to pay a very heavy cost for this. Their cheating and cutting corners has caused incalculable world wide damage this time around. They've had numerous rounds before but this one is at an entirely new level. Enough is enough.
@DB
I sure can't argue with that,but I have my doubts about it happening. China has bought and paid,and has the deposit slips and film to prove it,the western whores who walk the halls of government buildings instead of streets,and we can't take the Chinese down without the Chinese taking THEM down,also.
Which means,like with the Clinton's,no real investigation can ever be allowed to happen.
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Oddly enough.
What did it take for us to become "energy" efficient? @Smokin Joe @thackney @IsailedawayfromFR @catfish1957 @Hoodat
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More solidly on topic.
Montana Doctor Blows the Whistle on the CDC’s Manipulated Coronavirus Figures
https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR29P3pu6IvaL_0WfxXpd3E0g1OEwyJcoyaFnKXsfAg6slXr-w3yDZ8spEc (https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR29P3pu6IvaL_0WfxXpd3E0g1OEwyJcoyaFnKXsfAg6slXr-w3yDZ8spEc)
Scroll down for video comment by Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek, discussing how death data are being manipulated by CDC guidelines to inflate death statistics.
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Oddly enough.
What did it take for us to become "energy" efficient? @Smokin Joe @thackney @IsailedawayfromFR @catfish1957 @Hoodat
More energy! Then what we used didn't exceed what we had.
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Not 5G. I will keep posting this. Any of your "g"s don't cause cancer.
Electrically independent, and electronic dependence.
Wifi doesn't cause cancer.
Every person's body is continually being attacked by "cancer" cells.
Every day.
Radiation destroys your immune system.
Different subject. Different day. Tomorrow...
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More energy! Then what we used didn't exceed what we had.
Sooo... in an industrial application...when did that ever change?
Oh, nevermind.
Free global market Capitalism and the ending of domestic monopolization ended all our need to be industrial. Your eucking money invested in your IRA 401K is in the global economy. Except for 170million individual accounts that got lost in th latest global crash. But don't worry. Your check is in the mail.
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Wifi doesn't cause cancer.
Unless you're a rat.
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/cellphones/index.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=prod&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=cellphone (https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/cellphones/index.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=prod&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=cellphone)
Cell Phone Radio Frequency Radiation
What did the studies find?
The NTP studies found that high exposure to RFR (900 MHz) used by cell phones was associated with:
Clear evidence of tumors in the hearts of male rats. The tumors were malignant schwannomas.
Some evidence of tumors in the brains of male rats. The tumors were malignant gliomas.
Some evidence of tumors in the adrenal glands of male rats. The tumors were benign, malignant, or complex combined pheochromocytoma.
What are NTP’s future plans for studying cell phone RFR and 5G wireless technology?
5G is the emergent technology that will eventually overtake the existing 2G, 3G, and 4G technology. In the meantime, people will continue to be exposed to RFR in the 700–2700 MHz range. As the 5G network is implemented, some of the signals used by the 5G network will use the same lower frequencies used by the older technology previously studied by NTP, but the 5G network will also use higher frequencies—up to 60,000 MHz—thereby exposing wireless users to a much broader spectrum of frequencies. The higher frequencies, known as millimeter waves, can rapidly transmit enormous amounts of data with increased network capacity compared with current technologies. Millimeter waves do not travel as far and do not penetrate the body as deeply as do the wavelengths from the lower frequencies. Millimeter waves are likely to penetrate no deeper than the skin, whereas the lower frequencies have been shown to penetrate at least three to four inches into the human body.
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When I was stationed on the Lex, some doctors from NAS Pensacola bummed an AN/SPS-12 radar manual from us. They had one they were going to use to perform RF tests on monkeys. It was a study for the ELF submarine communications system, to see how fried the people in Republic, MI were going to be.
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When I was stationed on the Lex, some doctors from NAS Pensacola bummed an AN/SPS-12 radar manual from us. They had one they were going to use to perform RF tests on monkeys. It was a study for the ELF submarine communications system, to see how fried the people in Republic, MI were going to be.
Through the FOIA there are documents, books, et al literature concerning radiation from any source.
Any source. I've read extensive papers on the subject. Cosmic, man-made, solar-generated. EARTH generated.
YOUR government knows the danger. The Capitalists KNOW the danger.
Best bet is to call or text too...additional fees, taxes, and other CHARGES may apply.
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Unless you're a rat.
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/cellphones/index.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=prod&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=cellphone (https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/cellphones/index.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=prod&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=cellphone)
I formerly spent a couple of hours a day on cell phones out on wellsite, holding it next to the left side of my head. After the nickel-sized basal cell carcinoma was removed from the left side of my face, I have been using the speakerphone and sitting back...
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(https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/04/92722319_3136174019778630_7012489212662382592_n.jpg?resize=503%2C600&ssl=1)
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I formerly spent a couple of hours a day on cell phones out on wellsite, holding it next to the left side of my head. After the nickel-sized basal cell carcinoma was removed from the left side of my face, I have been using the speakerphone and sitting back...
weird
I have a landline. With an answering feature. And caller ID. The only reason I have it is that my wife says our kids need to be able to call 911. Facebook is faster than 911. It is a new phone. The last one we had got thrown out the backdoor and was killed by fire.
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weird
I have a landline. With an answering feature. And caller ID. The only reason I have it is that my wife says our kids need to be able to call 911. Facebook is faster than 911. It is a new phone. The last one we had got thrown out the backdoor and was killed by fire.
We had landlines on the rigs for a while.. Two miles, sometimes more, sometimes less, of cable laid out to the nearest phone pedestal, on the ground, cross country. That was okay until the cows got in the pasture and chewed the phone line up. Something about the insulation they could not resist... I spent many hours out with a company hand walking the line looking for breaks.
Cell phones were mo better, and with a Yagi, you could hit towers 20+miles away with an old bag phone. When everything went digital, you had to get a booster/repeater and set that up. Last setup I had cost me about a grand...plus the phone. Now, the towers are everywhere.
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We had landlines on the rigs for a while.. Two miles, sometimes more, sometimes less, of cable laid out to the nearest phone pedestal, on the ground, cross country. That was okay until the cows got in the pasture and chewed the phone line up. Something about the insulation they could not resist... I spent many hours out with a company hand walking the line looking for breaks.
Cell phones were mo better, and with a Yagi, you could hit towers 20+miles away with an old bag phone. When everything went digital, you had to get a booster/repeater and set that up. Last setup I had cost me about a grand...plus the phone. Now, the towers are everywhere.
uh huh
The digital age changed me.
NOT one effing byte.
Yeah, I get to tell you this, straight to your face, digitdigit.
But I never have had the need to say anything to you that meant anything because you already knew.
I will give the tech this. I live in North Dakota. And you live in Idaho.
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American Academy of Orthopedic Physicians - We are in This Together (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b59hL91k1UM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1fxWeeYwS8TFArbBr-TbRk5-V1hMGMO1IzVSCqxfEzc057Y4ih8XOvdBs)
Great message from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons.
This is NOT like anything else our medical community has faced.
THESE are the people we need to listen to. THESE are the people who actually know what they're talking about and what is going on.
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uh huh
The digital age changed me.
NOT one effing byte.
Yeah, I get to tell you this, straight to your face, digitdigit.
But I never have had the need to say anything to you that meant anything because you already knew.
I will give the tech this. I live in North Dakota. And you live in Idaho.
For a while it seemed like every other license plate over here was an Idaho plate...
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For a while it seemed like every other license plate over here was an Idaho plate...
Those were just the missionaries.
Gotta do a test run. For all we know you would Soiux us.
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Those were just the missionaries.
Gotta do a test run. For all we know you would Soiux us.
Nothing so drastic. The police even let them keep them on their vehicles, so long as they put them on upside down (So the cops wouldn't get a crick in their neck trying to read them when they found the pickup in the ditch).
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American Academy of Orthopedic Physicians - We are in This Together (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b59hL91k1UM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1fxWeeYwS8TFArbBr-TbRk5-V1hMGMO1IzVSCqxfEzc057Y4ih8XOvdBs)
Great message from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons.
This is NOT like anything else our medical community has faced.
THESE are the people we need to listen to. THESE are the people who actually know what they're talking about and what is going on.
Thank you for the post--INFO.
Personally, the only people I listen to is one of me. I mean one of you.
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Nothing so drastic. The police even let them keep them on their vehicles, so long as they put them on upside down (So the cops wouldn't get a crick in their neck trying to read them when they found the pickup in the ditch).
Funny. Hey all of ya all ever seen a North Dakota license plate?
Neither have they...hahahaha
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Funny. Hey all of ya all ever seen a North Dakota license plate?
Neither have they...hahahaha
Provided for reference purposes:
(https://www.dot.nd.gov/assets/img/public/vehicle/sunrise-plate.jpg)
:laugh: (That's what they look like without any mud on them)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=b59hL91k1UM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b59hL91k1UM#)American Academy of Orthopedic Physicians - We are in This Together[/url]
Great message from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons.
This is NOT like anything else our medical community has faced.
THESE are the people we need to listen to. THESE are the people who actually know what they're talking about and what is going on.
Thank you for posting that @musiclady .
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Provided for reference purposes:
(https://www.dot.nd.gov/assets/img/public/vehicle/sunrise-plate.jpg)
:laugh: (That's what they look like without any mud on them)
HAhaha
I got one of those in my last Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes entry forms.
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HAhaha
I got one of those in my last Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes entry forms.
Did it say" SAMPLE"?
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Did it say" SAMPLE"?
Yes. It did. And I thought how cool is that? North Dakota adopted race/gender/income inequality in one word.
SAME PEOPLE. SAMPLE
And proudly displays it in every bulk junk mailing they can.
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An update on my niece. She's seems to be recovering.
Thank you for all the prayers and kind thoughts. It was/is appreciated.
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An update on my niece. She's seems to be recovering.
Thank you for all the prayers and kind thoughts. It was/is appreciated.
That's top notch, @DB! :0001: :0001: :0001:
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An update on my niece. She's seems to be recovering.
Thank you for all the prayers and kind thoughts. It was/is appreciated.
99balloon
Thanx @DB for letting us know, and letting us help. Honestly, it was one of the few things I did last week that I thought was worth doing, in and of itself. Without getting in trouble for expounding the generally accepted restorative powers of prayer, as I'm sure you know, it restores me too. I'm very happy your niece is well.
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04-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.856 ↓ | 3.344 ↓ |
| United States | 1.750 ↑ | 10.822 ↓ |
| China | 16.630 ↓ | 1.074 ↑ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 179,009
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 22.3 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 67.4 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Zero new deaths reported in China. However, reported recoveries in China fell by over 900. Their propaganda statisticians are doing a poor job.
Situation looking better in the US today. New cases down. Deaths down. Recoveries up.
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Oddly enough.
What did it take for us to become "energy" efficient? @Smokin Joe @thackney @IsailedawayfromFR @catfish1957 @Hoodat
High energy prices.
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Situation looking better in the US today. New cases down. Deaths down. Recoveries up.
Wonderful news, thanx for the timely updates @Hoodat
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High energy prices.
Fracking technology, and seed money to develop electric cars. Plus loosened restrictions on clean coal. A plausible argument could be made on threats of oil tariffs but I'm not factually equipped to make that argument.
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Fracking technology, and seed money to develop electric cars. Plus loosened restrictions on clean coal. A plausible argument could be made on threats of oil tariffs but I'm not factually equipped to make that argument.
It's easier to be "energy independent when nobody can drive anywhere. So, it's an ill wind that blows no good.
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It's easier to be "energy independent when nobody can drive anywhere. So, it's an ill wind that blows no good.
Oddly vague for you my friend. Are you disagreeing with my comment @Cyber Liberty ? Feel free, I'm no energy expert.
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Oddly vague for you my friend. Are you disagreeing with my comment @Cyber Liberty ? Feel free, I'm no energy expert.
I think your comment was fine. I'm not an expert in that field, either. 22chief
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Fracking technology, and seed money to develop electric cars. Plus loosened restrictions on clean coal. A plausible argument could be made on threats of oil tariffs but I'm not factually equipped to make that argument.
No way electric cars would be economical without a combination of government kickbacks and high fuel prices.
You still have to get the electricity from somewhere, and without tilting the playing field with moving target regulations against traditional sources, the "alternative energy" sources would have never been funded, either, because the ROI would have been too small.
High prices led us to become more energy efficient, because the expenditure for the technology could be justified in terms of the cost to be less efficient.
When energy is cheap, the cost of developing technology to be more efficient is prohibitive.
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The scientist that first identified the "coronavirus"
June_Almeida
" Dalziel Almeida (5 October 1930 – 1 December 2007) was a Scottish virologist a pioneer in virus imaging, identification and diagnosis.[1] Her skills in electron microscopy earned her an international reputation.[2] In 1964, Almeida was recruited by St Thomas's Hospital Medical School in London. By 1967, she had earned her Doctor of Science (Sc.D.) on the basis of her research and the resulting publications, while working in Canada, at Toronto's Ontario Cancer Institute and then in London at St Thomas.[2] In 1967, she continued her research at the Royal Postgraduate Medical School (RPGMS),[2] which is now part of the Imperial College School of Medicine. She succeeded in identifying viruses that were previously unknown, including—in 1966—a previously unidentified group of viruses that was then named coronavirus.[Publications 1][3]:96 Her electron micrographs continue to be included in virology review textbooks, decades after she produced them"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Almeida
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No way electric cars would be economical without a combination of government kickbacks and high fuel prices.
You still have to get the electricity from somewhere, and without tilting the playing field with moving target regulations against traditional sources, the "alternative energy" sources would have never been funded, either, because the ROI would have been too small.
As long as the price of electricity is tied to the price of oil/gas, electricity will never be able to compete with either. Liberals of course have made this happen by insisting electricity be generated from natural gas.
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Well, That Unraveled Quickly (https://www.aier.org/article/well-that-unraveled-fast/)
Thinking back to February 28, 2020, and the New England Journal of Medicine. It published an article called “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted†signed by Anthony S. Fauci (THE Fauci), Clifford Lane, and Robert R. Redfield.
It reported an existing COVID-19 case fatality rate of 2% but further pointed out that infections show “a wide spectrum of disease severity.†“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%†or perhaps as high as the flu seasons of 1957 and 1968, but is nowhere near “a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.†To be sure, they said, mitigating the disease could require “isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.â€
Now, what precisely happened between February 28 and two weeks later? This will be studied for many years to find out precisely how governors and mayors, through a series of unscientific, panicked, unjustified, and morally egregious actions, crushed under foot the world’s strongest economy while the media cheered. We’ll be discussing the whys and whats for a generation.
The point is that it is all unraveling as fast as it came. Donald Trump’s press conference on April 16, 2020, was clearly a turning point. In my ideal world, we would have officials up there telling the truth that the course we took as a nation was catastrophic in countless ways (except for all the panicked deregulation undertaken just so that the food and medicine could continue). But I’m realistic: we can hardly expect politicians to bow down and beg forgiveness.
Of course they will take credit for whatever good happens. I’m an idealist, not a utopian. The truth is that a virus doesn’t care about borders and it doesn’t obey government edicts. Even now, there is so much we do not know about this “invisible enemy†but we have learned vast amounts about the visible enemy...
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Now, what precisely happened between February 28 and two weeks later? This will be studied for many years to find out precisely how governors and mayors, through a series of unscientific, panicked, unjustified, and morally egregious actions, crushed under foot the world’s strongest economy while the media cheered. We’ll be discussing the whys and whats for a generation.
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In the meantime, we’ve seen things we never imagined possible, namely seemingly intelligent people howling for weeks for the nationalization of industry, the socialization of production, the imprisonment in our homes, the trillions in pointless spending, the unprecedented amounts of new money created by the Fed, and the countless other awful legal precedents set. The lawsuits will continue to be litigated for a decade.
The core realization we face right now is that it is not possible to stop and start an economy; nor is it possible to distinguish between essential and nonessential. The commercial society is a web in which everyone and everything is connected with everyone and everything else.
Excerpts: Rest at above link.
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Well, That Unraveled Quickly (https://www.aier.org/article/well-that-unraveled-fast/)
Thinking back to February 28, 2020, and the New England Journal of Medicine. It published an article called “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted†signed by Anthony S. Fauci (THE Fauci), Clifford Lane, and Robert R. Redfield.
It reported an existing COVID-19 case fatality rate of 2% but further pointed out that infections show “a wide spectrum of disease severity.†“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%†or perhaps as high as the flu seasons of 1957 and 1968, but is nowhere near “a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.†To be sure, they said, mitigating the disease could require “isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.â€
Now, what precisely happened between February 28 and two weeks later? This will be studied for many years to find out precisely how governors and mayors, through a series of unscientific, panicked, unjustified, and morally egregious actions, crushed under foot the world’s strongest economy while the media cheered. We’ll be discussing the whys and whats for a generation.
The point is that it is all unraveling as fast as it came. Donald Trump’s press conference on April 16, 2020, was clearly a turning point. In my ideal world, we would have officials up there telling the truth that the course we took as a nation was catastrophic in countless ways (except for all the panicked deregulation undertaken just so that the food and medicine could continue). But I’m realistic: we can hardly expect politicians to bow down and beg forgiveness.
Of course they will take credit for whatever good happens. I’m an idealist, not a utopian. The truth is that a virus doesn’t care about borders and it doesn’t obey government edicts. Even now, there is so much we do not know about this “invisible enemy†but we have learned vast amounts about the visible enemy...
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Excerpts: Rest at above link.
:amen:
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Alex Berenson
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Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.
2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020
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Alex Berenson
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@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.
2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020
Why not. By the time widespread testing is available and we find out the true mortality rate of this thing, people will no longer be seeing the Venetian Plague Doctor under the stairs. And will be looking for someone to blame for the reality of their economic condition.
That'll give the media plenty of time to build their narrative.
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Alex Berenson
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@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.
2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020
I think a scoreboard and factoid post is in order-----
(1) This is serious deadly virus. There is no way to candycoat it. We as a society are not used to calamities like this. However......
(2) The 1918-1919 Flu Pandemic killed 10% of the world
(3) The COVID-19 curve has been flattened world wide since April 1, which maybe at worst case half of fatalities are enumerated. If you double the fatalies registered, Mortality (Death) percentage of the world will be .0035%.. Meaning the true lethality of the 1918 Flu was nearly 2900X this one.
(4) IN 1918, society had enough common sense to know that the collateral damage of shutdown of society would be worse than the disease itself.
(5) ONLY the most naive do not recognize that this pandemic has had a huge element of political manipulation. The level of desperation and dispicable has never been equalled in our history. There should be nationwide condemnation of the info cartel (Big Tech, MSM, Dimocrats, NWO lackeys) They have exploited peoples livelyhoods and wealth for political gain. Beyond disgusting.
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Alex Berenson
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@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.
2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020
Yep.
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I think a scoreboard and factoid post is in order-----
(1) This is serious deadly virus. There is no way to candycoat it. We as a society are not used to calamities like this. However......
(2) The 1918-1919 Flu Pandemic killed 10% of the world
(3) The COVID-19 curve has been flattened world wide since April 1, which maybe at worst case half of fatalities are enumerated. If you double the fatalies registered, Mortality (Death) percentage of the world will be .0035%.. Meaning the true lethality of the 1918 Flu was nearly 2900X this one.
(4) IN 1918, society had enough common sense to know that the collateral damage of shutdown of society would be worse than the disease itself.
(5) ONLY the most naive do not recognize that this pandemic has had a huge element of political manipulation. The level of desperation and dispicable has never been equalled in our history. There should be nationwide condemnation of the info cartel (Big Tech, MSM, Dimocrats, NWO lackeys) They have exploited peoples livelyhoods and wealth for political gain. Beyond disgusting.
Even though you are probably correct.....
We were seeing on the news European countries closing down. Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried. Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed. All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening. There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours.
It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well. This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health.
Like I say...you may end up being correct. We erred on trying to save lives? Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.
This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing). Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms.... Was it worth it? I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it. For others.... I don't know.
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Nothing justifies suspension of our federal and state constitutions. Nothing.
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Nothing justifies suspension of our federal and state constitutions. Nothing.
Exactly. And not that it looks like the goal posts for when things are going back to normal are on roller skates...the Liberals and the egg heads advising Trump could stretch this out to infinity two weeks at a time.
"Just give us two more weeks..."
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Even though you are probably correct.....
We were seeing on the news European countries closing down. Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried. Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed. All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening. There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours.
It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well. This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health.
Like I say...you may end up being correct. We erred on trying to save lives? Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.
This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing). Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms.... Was it worth it? I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it. For others.... I don't know.
What about the futures of our children and grandchildren @mrpotatohead? I know you love your mother but there ARE other considerations MANY other considerations.
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Nothing justifies suspension of our federal and state constitutions. Nothing.
Yet it has happened and I'll assure you it will again unless drastic measures are taken.
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Now there is talk this is seasonal like...dare I say it...the flu.
Are we seriously going to shut everything in this country down and live like prisoners in our own homes and live in fear of personal and business bankruptcy every January through June?
Enough is enough people. It's time commons sense made a comeback and we get back to leading our lives and stop living in a manufactured fear waiting for a thumbs up or thumbs down from our overlords.
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Even though you are probably correct.....
We were seeing on the news European countries closing down. Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried. Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed. All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening. There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours.
It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well. This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health.
Like I say...you may end up being correct. We erred on trying to save lives? Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.
This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing). Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms.... Was it worth it? I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it. For others.... I don't know.
We'll never really know - unless someone undertakes to quantify the human costs of the shutdown. For example I recently heard Bill Bennett cite a statistic (he didn't provide a source) that for every percentage point drop in employment the annual suicide rate increases by 10k.
Dunno if this is true but undoubtedly there is a correlation.
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Even though you are probably correct.....
We were seeing on the news European countries closing down. Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried. Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed. All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening. There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours.
It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well. This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health.
Like I say...you may end up being correct. We erred on trying to save lives? Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.
This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing). Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms.... Was it worth it? I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it. For others.... I don't know.
You bring up great points. Seperating humanity from cold sad morbid facts is really hard to do. I was even more of hardened statistican of this event, until one of my son's teachers (younger than I am) caught the disease and died. He was a very dedicated wonderful educator, who loved his job and the children he taught. A terrible loss to our community.
But at some point of time, you have to look at the well being of our society as a whole versus the sadness of individual losses. I know that may seem heartless, but just remember how our European ancestors dealt with Black Death almost 700 years ago. This is nothing like 1918, and not even in the most remote way like 1350 when half of our population was wiped out.
Simply, we as a society need to make sure that the cure is not more deadly than the disease itself.
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
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Even though you are probably correct.....
We were seeing on the news European countries closing down. Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried. Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed. All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening. There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours.
It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well. This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health.
Like I say...you may end up being correct. We erred on trying to save lives? Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.
This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing). Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms.... Was it worth it? I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it. For others.... I don't know.
@mrpotatohead
I will never be convinced the Chinese didn't "accidentally release this virus on purpose" parts I put in bold above were not the reasons it was released. They have millions of old and weak citizens they have to provide food,clothing,and shelter for,and the Chinese are NOT know for having a strong streak of humanity or kindness.
Just look at all the money they will save over the next few years from not having to feed,clothe,house,and provide medial care for all those people who were unable to work in their factories and produce junk to sell to the west.
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
goopo @Gemmarose!
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Now there is talk this is seasonal like...dare I say it...the flu.
Are we seriously going to shut everything in this country down and live like prisoners in our own homes and live in fear of personal and business bankruptcy every January through June?
@txradioguy
Maybe they will only make us do that every other year,once we have proven we can behave?
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@txradioguy
Maybe they will only make us do that every other year,once we have proven we can behave?
Ever notice the term "Martial Law" has not been bantered around a lot more through the country?
I know it might not meet the Merriam-Webster standards... But.......
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
goopo
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
Great list. Wanna add another one? See how many states with recreational marijuana have allowed them to continue as an essential business (I think all of them)
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Now there is talk this is seasonal like...dare I say it...the flu.
Are we seriously going to shut everything in this country down and live like prisoners in our own homes and live in fear of personal and business bankruptcy every January through June?
Not every Jan-June. Only the ones in election years where Republicans are in office. The only way the Dems captured the White House last time was by intentionally tanking the economy in 2007-2008 with the shenanigans at deep state Fannie Mae.
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
Very true, Texas state workers worked from the house. Even our local govt employees were furloughed but got paychecks.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.
Denists continued to work here, but emergency cases only
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
I purchased tomato plants locally, plus squash seeds, which I'm fixing to walk out the door to plant today.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
My neighbor has played golf everyday with his group. Good luck stopping someone from going fishing here, they'd better be heavily armed.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
I haven't heard of that happening in Texas, at least not locally.
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
My dear old 90 yr old mom has a regular Dr.'s appointment on monday.
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
Agree 100%!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
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When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
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Face masks:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=58&v=pozbrPNiHao&feature=emb_logo#)
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Face masks:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=58&v=pozbrPNiHao&feature=emb_logo#)
Very well done. (And in only a minute)
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Ever notice the term "Martial Law" has not been bantered around a lot more through the country?
I know it might not meet the Merriam-Webster standards... But.......
@catfish1957 @Gemmarose
I am not so certain that riots were not a part of the Pelosi/Dim plan,so they could be justified in trying to declare martial law and put off the elections.
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goopo
@skeeter
ALL excellent points,but MY favorite is keeping the liquor stores open.
Ifn ah wuz thu spicious tipe,ah wood spect dey wuz hopin fo drunkin riotors too juztifie martial law.
ANYTHING to give them an excuse to delay the elections.
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@skeeter
ALL excellent points,but MY favorite is keeping the liquor stores open.
Ifn ah wuz thu spicious tipe,ah wood spect dey wuz hopin fo drunkin riotors too juztifie martial law.
ANYTHING to give them an excuse to delay the elections.
Drunken voters = drunken rioters. They don't have to delay elections if they can get everyone to buy their 'stay safe - vote from home' garbage.
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Drunken voters = drunken rioters. They don't have to delay elections if they can get everyone to buy their 'stay safe - vote from home' garbage.
@skeeter
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Yeah,they do. Even THEY don't want Slow Joe heading the ticket.
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@skeeter
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Yeah,they do. Even THEY don't want Slow Joe heading the ticket.
Biden is their worst nightmare or their dream come true.
One thing we do know is in his present condition he will NOT finish a four year term. It's true he'll be blown away in a fair election, in a stolen one he represents the ONLY way AOC can get a proper 'progressive' in the White House.
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Biteme is as exciting as a glass of water...without the actual glass.
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Biden is their worst nightmare or their dream come true.
One thing we do know is in his present condition he will NOT finish a four year term. It's true he'll be blown away in a fair election, in a stolen one he represents the ONLY way AOC can get a proper 'progressive' in the White House.
@skeeter
One way or another,Biden is their ticket to get the election delayed. Maybe even rescheduled,depending on who they can slip under the wire as his VP running mate.
I fully expect it to be Bubbette! Clinton,but it could be some other globalist leftie. Depends on how well both Slow Joe and she are holding up as the campaign begins.
Bubbette! has a proven track record of corruption and can be trusted by the Globalists,so I suspect they would prefer to just have him resign due to health reasons,and her to step forward to take the crown.
If the Supremes step in and say a new primary is called for,it will probably be someone else because that drunken old bitch just can't hold up long enough to survive a full campaign.
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Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks. I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state. 11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000. 753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000. That's 1% or less. I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues. I'm done hibernating.
Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last
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Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks. I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state. 11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000. 753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000. That's 1% or less. I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues. I'm done hibernating.
Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/vkPwB0e62SRwSaoBqknzzA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQyOC41OTUyMzgwOTUyMzgx/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/RXRykjEehgdDCJ8zhHH.hQ--~B/aD0zODM7dz02MzA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/geekwire_312/6cb4c8b8f9450ab10a235dccef6104f4)
Pull that smokewagon, see what happens. The powers that be are inviting widespread civil disobedience.
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Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks. I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state. 11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000. 753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000. That's 1% or less. I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues. I'm done hibernating.
Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/vkPwB0e62SRwSaoBqknzzA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQyOC41OTUyMzgwOTUyMzgx/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/RXRykjEehgdDCJ8zhHH.hQ--~B/aD0zODM7dz02MzA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/geekwire_312/6cb4c8b8f9450ab10a235dccef6104f4)
Well Ohio is starting to open up May 1, no matter what the "modelers" say.
Other states need to do what's best for their states........ not what some modeler says.
btw, the numbers will keep going up simply because the testing is increasing. It doesn't (necessarily) mean there are more cases....... just that they're being identified.
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We are supposed to peak around next Tues. I'm done hibernating.
There can't be a peak while everyone is isolated.
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Couple of honest questions:
-- Is anyone familiar with Fr. Rashid Buttar? Is he at all credible?
-- What is known about the Next News Network?
The reason I ask is there is stuff going viral (no pun intended) though these channels. I have watched some of it and, at times, seems on the mark. Buttar can go off on tangents but, wow, he can express himself.
Any insights? Here is an example:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_T_L-lwmBM#)
If I have missed previous discussions of this guy, I apologize.
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Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks. I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state. 11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000. 753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000. That's 1% or less. I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues. I'm done hibernating.
Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/vkPwB0e62SRwSaoBqknzzA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQyOC41OTUyMzgwOTUyMzgx/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/RXRykjEehgdDCJ8zhHH.hQ--~B/aD0zODM7dz02MzA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/geekwire_312/6cb4c8b8f9450ab10a235dccef6104f4)
Are these the same "modelers" who predicted a potential high of 2 Million dead Americans? One good thing about the models that have been produced WRT COVID is they have severely weakened the arguments for "Climate Change" models.
Somebody's on crack if they think AZ and UT will be among the last to open.
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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEdnFoVeV20#)
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Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks. I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state. 11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000. 753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000. That's 1% or less. I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues. I'm done hibernating.
Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last
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Makes no sense to me. I understand Montana being modeled to open early but then they have the Dakotas among the latest.
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@skeeter
ALL excellent points,but MY favorite is keeping the liquor stores open.
The most certain way to move from peaceful civil demonstration, to violence would be closin'the liquor stores.
I think in some places there would be violence in a couple of hours or less.
Hoodlums in the hood, the bario, etc.
And rednecks too.
Gimme my drink, dammit
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Makes no sense to me. I understand Montana being modeled to open early but then they have the Dakotas among the latest.
The Dakotas are a hot spot due to so many testing positive at Smithfield meat.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar
Decide for yourself.
I know a DO from his medical college
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Even though you are probably correct.....
We were seeing on the news European countries closing down. Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried. Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed. All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening. There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours.
It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well. This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health.
Like I say...you may end up being correct. We erred on trying to save lives? Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.
This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing). Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms.... Was it worth it? I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it. For others.... I don't know.
I have lost jobs before. Adapt, improvise, survive. It could be worse.
There are hundreds of others in worse shape than I am in, who had no reserves of anything, and were living a lot closer to the bone. I carry enough reserve that I could get by on iron rations for a couple of months before my BMI is where the doctors claim it is supposed to be, but so far won't have to.
North Dakota's big jump in cases occurred at a wind power turbine blade manufacturing facility in Grand Forks County, now shut down for two weeks with pay, contact tracing in effect, etc., additional testing to come.
The three most populous counties, by virtue of containing the three largest cities, are the hotspots, accounting for 70% of the cases statewide. The 10th person to die from the virus was in their 70s, 100% of those who died had underlying medical conditions. While new cases dropped over yesterday, we may not have had our peak yet, and only much more widespread testing will indicate how many have had the disease.
Those counties are well removed from where I live, on the west side of the state; we still have fewer than 10 verified cases here in this county. Twenty one of the State's fifty three counties report no cases at all.
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The Dakotas are a hot spot due to so many testing positive at Smithfield meat.
That's South Dakota. In North Dakota, the surge in cases comes from a wind turbine blade manufacturing plant in Grand Forks county which employs 900 people. The plant is shut down for 14 days, additional testing is occurring as is contact tracing, and the employees are being paid.
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That's South Dakota. In North Dakota, the surge in cases comes from a wind turbine blade manufacturing plant in Grand Forks county which employs 900 people.
Nine hundred people? That's half the state.
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That's South Dakota. In North Dakota, the surge in cases comes from a wind turbine blade manufacturing plant in Grand Forks county which employs 900 people. The plant is shut down for 14 days, additional testing is occurring as is contact tracing, and the employees are being paid.
I wasn’t aware of the turbine blade plant. Thanks for that. So far, both my sons continue to work.
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Nine hundred people? That's half the state.
I doubt there has been any time since the ice sheets melted off that there have only been 1800 people here.
We could always send back all those guys with the upside down plates, though.
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I wasn’t aware of the turbine blade plant. Thanks for that. So far, both my sons continue to work.
Good for them!
With drilling rigs hitting the weeds daily, there isn't much happening here.
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The most certain way to move from peaceful civil demonstration, to violence would be closin'the liquor stores.
I think in some places there would be violence in a couple of hours or less.
Hoodlums in the hood, the bario, etc.
And rednecks too.
Gimme my drink, dammit
(http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509261001/1000509261001_1904660285001_History-Weeds-Al-Capone-SF.jpg)
A hundred years later and I still live in the Fed's Head.
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There can't be a peak while everyone is isolated.
@mystery-ak
@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty
@Hoodat, you are right. There are peaks showing up now for those who got the virus before people were shut in. These many thousands of cases started with one case in the state of Washington. Streets are now empty but the virus is still here. Once people get together, streets are filled, one with the virus will again infect the country.
Scientists say we must test every person so the virus will not spread again - that is over 350 million people. That is the old fellow in the corner of the bar/tavern, who plays pool with his friends, picking up and laying down the cue ball as his friends are doing. One of them has the virus. Old fellow has a wife that never misses church on Sunday or the Bible class on Wednesday with her friends. Some days later, not months, it is over the country.
I have thought, not of politics and blaming this one or that one, but what may happen in the future when people are "freed". All these millions will not be tested before "freedom", or shortly after. It cannot be done. When the virus is out again, people dying, stacks of dead bodies like we have now, it will go back to politics, Trump saying the states did not do it right, states saying it is Trump's fault for not enough tests, and bodies will stack up higher. When will it end; how will it end?
In my opinion, this is Biblical - it is one of the plagues over the whole world forecast to happen in the end days. Jesus returns with the sound of a Trump - we have one of those in our White House. Bless all of you, and stay home.
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Dr. David Katz: Coronavirus vaccine or herd immunity are only ways life can fully return to normal
Dr. David Katz, the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center in Connecticut, has warned that while social distancing is helping to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus, it is also preventing the development of the "herd immunity" needed by the public to resume their normal lives before a vaccine is developed.
Katz cited the case of some Asian nations who appeared to stop the spread with lockdown-style mitigation strategies, only to see an increase in cases once restrictions were relaxed.
"That's what will happen if you lock everybody away from everybody else and kind of wait until things get better and then let everybody out into the world," Katz told "Life, Liberty & Levin" in an interview airing Sunday.
"The virus is still out there," Katz added. "We don't have antibodies. We'll just get it later."
Katz and host Mark Levin discussed the concept of "herd immunity," essentially collective resistance to a virus built up by people moving about, becoming infected, and recovering -- thereby naturally developing antibodies to inhibit further spreading the virus among the population.
As an example of herd immunity, Katz told Levin that if the doctor developed antibodies but Levin did not because he was not part of the "herd," he could not contract the virus from Katz because the doctor doesn't have it.
"If all you do is flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths or severe cases. You just change the dates. We don't want to do that," said Katz..................
https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity (https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity)
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@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
My son and his intended, have an apartment in London and own a condo in Cardiff, Wales; Wales is a separate country, not part of the UK. We have used Skype every other day to keep up with what is happening in both countries. The two countries, Wales/UK started out with a goal of "Herd Mentality". So many were dying, the governments changed and ordered people to stay home.
Today, he said the countries will start on May 11 with a plan to open the countries. He sent a chart to me of how this will happen. @Cyber Liberty, I can email you the chart and you can post it if you want.
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@mystery-ak
@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty
@Hoodat, you are right. There are peaks showing up now for those who got the virus before people were shut in. These many thousands of cases started with one case in the state of Washington. Streets are now empty but the virus is still here. Once people get together, streets are filled, one with the virus will again infect the country.
Scientists say we must test every person so the virus will not spread again - that is over 350 million people. That is the old fellow in the corner of the bar/tavern, who plays pool with his friends, picking up and laying down the cue ball as his friends are doing. One of them has the virus. Old fellow has a wife that never misses church on Sunday or the Bible class on Wednesday with her friends. Some days later, not months, it is over the country.
I have thought, not of politics and blaming this one or that one, but what may happen in the future when people are "freed". All these millions will not be tested before "freedom", or shortly after. It cannot be done. When the virus is out again, people dying, stacks of dead bodies like we have now, it will go back to politics, Trump saying the states did not do it right, states saying it is Trump's fault for not enough tests, and bodies will stack up higher. When will it end; how will it end?
In my opinion, this is Biblical - it is one of the plagues over the whole world forecast to happen in the end days. Jesus returns with the sound of a Trump - we have one of those in our White House. Bless all of you, and stay home.
Good post, thanx for the ping, and bless you too @Victoria33
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In my opinion, this is Biblical - it is one of the plagues over the whole world forecast to happen in the end days. Jesus returns with the sound of a Trump - we have one of those in our White House. Bless all of you, and stay home.
@Victoria33
It happened after this that the people of Moab with the people of Ammon, and others with them besides the Ammonites, came to battle against Jehoshaphat. Then some came and told Jehoshaphat, saying, “A great multitude is coming against you from beyond the sea, from Syria; and they are in Hazazon Tamar†(which is En Gedi). And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the Lord, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah. So Judah gathered together to ask help from the Lord; and from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the Lord.
Then Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court, and said: “O Lord God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven, and do You not rule over all the kingdoms of the nations, and in Your hand is there not power and might, so that no one is able to withstand You? Are You not our God, who drove out the inhabitants of this land before Your people Israel, and gave it to the descendants of Abraham Your friend forever? And they dwell in it, and have built You a sanctuary in it for Your name, saying, ‘If disaster comes upon us—sword, judgment, pestilence, or famine—we will stand before this temple and in Your presence (for Your name is in this temple), and cry out to You in our affliction, and You will hear and save.’ And now, here are the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir — whom You would not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them and did not destroy them — here they are, rewarding us by coming to throw us out of Your possession which You have given us to inherit. O our God, will You not judge them? For we have no power against this great multitude that is coming against us; nor do we know what to do, but our eyes are upon You.â€
Now all Judah, with their little ones, their wives, and their children, stood before the Lord.
Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, in the midst of the assembly. And he said, “Listen, all you of Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem, and you, King Jehoshaphat! Thus says the Lord to you: ‘Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s. Tomorrow go down against them. They will surely come up by the Ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the brook before the Wilderness of Jeruel. You will not need to fight in this battle. Position yourselves, stand still and see the salvation of the Lord, who is with you, O Judah and Jerusalem!’ Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out against them, for the Lord is with you.â€
And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground, and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem bowed before the Lord, worshiping the Lord. Then the Levites of the children of the Kohathites and of the children of the Korahites stood up to praise the Lord God of Israel with voices loud and high.
So they rose early in the morning and went out into the Wilderness of Tekoa; and as they went out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Hear me, O Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem: Believe in the Lord your God, and you shall be established; believe His prophets, and you shall prosper.†And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed those who should sing to the Lord, and who should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army and were saying:
“Praise the Lord,
For His mercy endures forever.â€
Now when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushes against the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir, who had come against Judah; and they were defeated. For the people of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir to utterly kill and destroy them. And when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, they helped to destroy one another.
So when Judah came to a place overlooking the wilderness, they looked toward the multitude; and there were their dead bodies, fallen on the earth. No one had escaped.
When Jehoshaphat and his people came to take away their spoil, they found among them an abundance of valuables on the dead bodies, and precious jewelry, which they stripped off for themselves, more than they could carry away; and they were three days gathering the spoil because there was so much. And on the fourth day they assembled in the Valley of Berachah, for there they blessed the Lord; therefore the name of that place was called The Valley of Berachah until this day. Then they returned, every man of Judah and Jerusalem, with Jehoshaphat in front of them, to go back to Jerusalem with joy, for the Lord had made them rejoice over their enemies. So they came to Jerusalem, with stringed instruments and harps and trumpets, to the house of the Lord. And the fear of God was on all the kingdoms of those countries when they heard that the Lord had fought against the enemies of Israel. Then the realm of Jehoshaphat was quiet, for his God gave him rest all around.
2 Chronicles 20:1-30
Hope that helps.
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@Hoodat, thanks for your post; God is with us. I have taught Bible classes on and off all my adult life, including the last two years teaching an older group, the dreaded "Seniors". I had a number of young ones, in their early 70s. I was the oldest in my high 80s.
This new virus is not as other ones. Stay vigilant, as I will, as we learn more about this and our future. Our Church now has Sunday service on Facebook. This is a new world.
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@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
My son and his intended, have an apartment in London and own a condo in Cardiff, Wales; Wales is a separate country, not part of the UK. We have used Skype every other day to keep up with what is happening in both countries. The two countries, Wales/UK started out with a goal of "Herd Mentality". So many were dying, the governments changed and ordered people to stay home.
Today, he said the countries will start on May 11 with a plan to open the countries. He sent a chart to me of how this will happen. @Cyber Liberty, I can email you the chart and you can post it if you want.
@Victoria33
That would be great. I'm not at my main machine right now, but I'll get it later and post it.
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@Cyber Liberty
Sent it.
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@Cyber Liberty
Sent it.
Thanks! I'll look at it when I get to my main machine!
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Dr. David Katz: Coronavirus vaccine or herd immunity are only ways life can fully return to normal
Dr. David Katz, the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center in Connecticut, has warned that while social distancing is helping to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus, it is also preventing the development of the "herd immunity" needed by the public to resume their normal lives before a vaccine is developed.
Katz cited the case of some Asian nations who appeared to stop the spread with lockdown-style mitigation strategies, only to see an increase in cases once restrictions were relaxed.
"That's what will happen if you lock everybody away from everybody else and kind of wait until things get better and then let everybody out into the world," Katz told "Life, Liberty & Levin" in an interview airing Sunday.
"The virus is still out there," Katz added. "We don't have antibodies. We'll just get it later."
Katz and host Mark Levin discussed the concept of "herd immunity," essentially collective resistance to a virus built up by people moving about, becoming infected, and recovering -- thereby naturally developing antibodies to inhibit further spreading the virus among the population.
As an example of herd immunity, Katz told Levin that if the doctor developed antibodies but Levin did not because he was not part of the "herd," he could not contract the virus from Katz because the doctor doesn't have it.
"If all you do is flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths or severe cases. You just change the dates. We don't want to do that," said Katz..................
https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity (https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity)
What @roamer_1 was saying all along.
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What @roamer_1 was saying all along.
So ... those that are health compromised are going to die from this sooner or later.
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What @roamer_1 was saying all along.
Except I'm not sure how true this is.
SARS eventually disappeared on its own accord. There were two waves, the first big wave and a smaller one two years after the first. Both were crushed and the disease was never seen again. Crushing the curve without herd immunity does not guarantee any second wave. Sometimes the virus just dies out.
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What @roamer_1 was saying all along.
:yowsa: And he has been right all along.
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So ... those that are health compromised are going to die from this sooner or later.
Nope! But all are going to die at some point.
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What @roamer_1 was saying all along.
Yep
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So ... those that are health compromised are going to die from this sooner or later.
Nope, not necessarily so.
If there is "herd immunity", the virus dies out for lack of viable hosts who do not have immunity. Those who haven't caught the virus nor been immunized (vaccinated) are still safe because the virus can't get around.
It is the same phenomenon which protects the unvaccinated form Smallpox now.
Those who are health compromised have to either avoid the virus until that 'herd immunity' is established in the rest of the population, wait for a vaccine, or, if they catch the virus, they have to defeat it, hopefully through the use of adequate treatment, at which point they become part of the 'herd' who are immune.
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Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county (https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county)
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Today, he said the countries will start on May 11 with a plan to open the countries. He sent a chart to me of how this will happen. @Cyber Liberty, I can email you the chart and you can post it if you want.
@Victoria33
The chart you sent to me:
(https://i.imgur.com/xI3xqpl.png)
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Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county (https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county)
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@Victoria33
Wales IS part of the UK.
England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
"The United Kingdom consists of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland"
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04-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 3.912 ↑ | 3.326 ↓ |
| United States | 1.751 ↑ | 10.758 ↓ |
| China | 16.637 ↑ | 1.074 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 225,117
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.1 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 62.6 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Recoveries continuing to go unreported. Over 75,000 Americans still alive after testing positive three weeks ago are still being counted as active cases.
But new deaths and cases continue to recede. Things are looking up.
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:yowsa: And he has been right all along.
The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.
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The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.
Aside from downstate NY, where else is triage going on? We have not even been close here.
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The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.
The Hospitals have been using the time to stock up for a slog, so they say. It's probably true, this has been a slow-motion train wreck.
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Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county (https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county)
This seems to be true -- here is an excerpt from the FL Dept. of Health:
One item that has not been included in any of the state's reports: how many people in Florida have recovered from the coronavirus. That's because the state is not measuring that statistic.
The DOH has posted the following explanation for why it does not track recoveries on its website:
"We do not currently measure “recovery,†and don’t expect to have such a designation anytime in the near future. Recovery can mean a lot of things — some countries say you’re recovered 14 days from infection even if you are still sick, or even dead, based on a computer algorithm that calculates the amount of time passed since a case is first reported.
"The very definition of recovery is a contested issue — are you recovered once you’re no longer symptomatic, or contagious, once you get a negative test result, or no longer require hospitalization? Are you ever “recovered†if you suffer long-term effects from having the virus? Until some of these issues and definitions are worked out at the local, state and national level, we will not be providing a metric for recovery."
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This seems to be true -- here is an excerpt from the FL Dept. of Health:
One item that has not been included in any of the state's reports: how many people in Florida have recovered from the coronavirus. That's because the state is not measuring that statistic.
The DOH has posted the following explanation for why it does not track recoveries on its website:
"We do not currently measure “recovery,†and don’t expect to have such a designation anytime in the near future. Recovery can mean a lot of things — some countries say you’re recovered 14 days from infection even if you are still sick, or even dead, based on a computer algorithm that calculates the amount of time passed since a case is first reported.
"The very definition of recovery is a contested issue — are you recovered once you’re no longer symptomatic, or contagious, once you get a negative test result, or no longer require hospitalization? Are you ever “recovered†if you suffer long-term effects from having the virus? Until some of these issues and definitions are worked out at the local, state and national level, we will not be providing a metric for recovery."
9999hair out0000
They must be the Department of Sick, because they don't know "health" when they see it, by their own admission.
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Aside from downstate NY, where else is triage going on? We have not even been close here.
And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.
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And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.
But that would make too much sense.
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And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.
Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help. In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment.
I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold. Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only. With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor. So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19!
In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm. It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.
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Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help. In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment.
I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold. Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only. With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor. So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19!
In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm. It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.
In NY they will have the COD COVID-19, anyway...
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Ughhhhhh....
Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl. Demand has dwindled significantly.
Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.
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Wales IS part of the UK. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom "The United Kingdom consists of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland"
I should have said "England" not the UK. Wales and England are separate countries.
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Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help. In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment.
I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold. Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only. With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor. So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19!
In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm. It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.
I cancelled my doctors visits until June. I was supposed to have a six month dental cleaning this month. The doctor cancelled for me.
I have three doctors appointments between April and June 1. All cancelled. Not a big deal.
Last week I did have to go to the eye doctor because I scratched my cornea. She took me but I had to get my temperature taken, and wear a mask the entire time.
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Off topic slightly, last night some people in one of the upstairs apartments got really plastered and were running around in the hallways. It was about 1am, and I had a flashback I was back in college.
All that was missing was music blaring out the windows.
This lockdown is really starting to rub people the bad way. I’m now starting week seven.
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I cancelled my doctors visits until June. I was supposed to have a six month dental cleaning this month. The doctor cancelled for me.
I have three doctors appointments between April and June 1. All cancelled. Not a big deal.
Last week I did have to go to the eye doctor because I scratched my cornea. She took me but I had to get my temperature taken, and wear a mask the entire time.
Well, I'm glad that your symptoms/ailments are not a big deal. For heart patients, diabetics, asthmatics, those with high blood pressure that's a completely different story -- who can't get routine preventative care that another ballgame. Those with any symptoms, appointments are delayed or directed to go to ER if symptoms get worse. So again, risking going to the ER vs. taking chances at home. Heck of a decision. Those with heart, lung, blood pressure, diabetes -- could encounter life threatening events ... but contracting COVID-19 IS a death sentence.
Point I'm making is in-office care with a physician that could prevent further complications is pretty much obsolete.
Elective procedures which may be necessary to combat further complications have been cancelled as well.
New cancer patient treatments are being put on hold.
Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has been "put on hold". Not a good thing.
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Off topic slightly, last night some people in one of the upstairs apartments got really plastered and were running around in the hallways. It was about 1am, and I had a flashback I was back in college.
All that was missing was music blaring out the windows.
This lockdown is really starting to rub people the bad way. I’m now starting week seven.
I'm with ya -- week 7 (or 8) here as well.
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Well, I'm glad that your symptoms/ailments are not a big deal. For heart patients, diabetics, asthmatics, those with high blood pressure that's a completely different story -- who can't get routine preventative care that another ballgame. Those with any symptoms, appointments are delayed or directed to go to ER if symptoms get worse. So again, risking going to the ER vs. taking chances at home. Heck of a decision. Those with heart, lung, blood pressure, diabetes -- could encounter life threatening events ... but contracting COVID-19 IS a death sentence.
Point I'm making is in-office care with a physician that could prevent further complications is pretty much obsolete.
Elective procedures which may be necessary to combat further complications have been cancelled as well.
New cancer patient treatments are being put on hold.
Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has been "put on hold". Not a good thing.
It’s happening where I live, and affected several people I know, one of them is my mom. Not good.
@libertybele
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Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has been "put on hold". Not a good thing.
Having had my "elective" hip replacement surgery just under the wire (2/24) before everything shut down, I have great sympathy for all those whose supposedly nonessential surgeries - whether orthopedic or cancer-related - have been postponed. These people are in pain, or they wouldn't need new hips, knees, etc.
If I hadn't had my surgery when I did and currently was waiting for some governor's say-so, I would be in excruciating pain right now, unable to take a single step.
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Having had my "elective" hip replacement surgery just under the wire (2/24) before everything shut down, I have great sympathy for all those whose supposedly nonessential surgeries - whether orthopedic or cancer-related - have been postponed. These people are in pain, or they wouldn't need new hips, knees, etc.
If I hadn't had my surgery when I did and currently was waiting for some governor's say-so, I would be in excruciating pain right now, unable to take a single step.
Especially difficult with the anti-Opioid fanatics on the loose.
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What are 'COVID toes'? Dermatologists, podiatrists share strange findings
Maura Hohman
3 days ago
The longer the novel coronavirus circulates, the more unexpected symptoms pop up.
Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY. ... But because COVID toes may appear before or without other coronavirus symptoms, Freeman believes it should be a criterion for testing. ...
The condition usually starts with red or purple discoloration, and the skin may become raised or develop ulcerations, according to Freeman. It can be on hands, too.
Fox told TODAY it has appeared as "purple, red bumps" on the tips of digits and pads, or on the tops of toes or sides of feet.
People with COVID toes may feel the skin is hot, burning or itchy. ... More, including photos, at MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/what-are-covid-toes-dermatologists-podiatrists-share-strange-findings/ar-BB12MHPX?li=BBnba9O)
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Especially difficult with the anti-Opioid fanatics on the loose.
@Cyber Liberty
One of the things I find "ironic" is that when I see a doc today,trying to get a script for painkillers is very hard to do.
Back when I was younger and didn't have so much pain coming from so many places already, they would write me a script for a opioid of one sort or another,even after I told them I didn't want or need it.
One thing I learned long ago is that pain,up to a certain level,is your friend because it reminds you that you are already injured,and need to be careful to not make it worse. This is the good news. Because of this I have what may be a lifetime supply (at my age,anyway) of industrial-strength painkillers in a big box that I can use any time I need them.
At one time back in the 70's,the VA was writing me prescriptions for 180 valiums at a time,with 6 refills because of back injuries I received on a parachute jump that went wrong when I was in the army. They flat refuse to give me any now. Good thing I still have some left from earlier prescriptions,huh?
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One thing I learned long ago is that pain, up to a certain level, is your friend because it reminds you that you are already injured,and need to be careful to not make it worse. This is the good news. Because of this I have what may be a lifetime supply (at my age,anyway) of industrial-strength painkillers in a big box that I can use any time I need them.
Very true. The part I highlighted is important to note, because too much post-surgical pain is actually a detriment to recovery.
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Ughhhhhh....
Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl. Demand has dwindled significantly.
Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.
Bakken Crude (ND Sweet Light) down below $10/bbl.
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Very true. The part I highlighted is important to note, because too much post-surgical pain is actually a detriment to recovery.
@Cyber Liberty
Yup! The "trick" is to reduce it to a manageable level,not eliminate it. Eliminate it entirely,and you might do foolish crap like go dancing. Sometimes on table tops.
Don't ask me how I know this.
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@Cyber Liberty
Yup! The "trick" is to reduce it to a manageable level,not eliminate it. Eliminate it entirely,and you might do foolish crap like go dancing. Sometimes on table tops.
Don't ask me how I know this.
I'll tell you how I know it: I had two hip replacement in two years, and I had to report my pain levels on a scale from 1-10 of how much I hurt. I NEVER medicated the pain-level to zero, because if I did that I would never know if I was taking too much. Keeping a 1 or 2 level pain told me I was not in that situation.
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@Cyber Liberty
Yup! The "trick" is to reduce it to a manageable level,not eliminate it. Eliminate it entirely,and you might do foolish crap like go dancing. Sometimes on table tops.
Don't ask me how I know this.
Jose Cuervo told me.
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Ughhhhhh....
Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl. Demand has dwindled significantly.
Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.
I saw WTI at $11 this morning, which means we are getting around $6....INSANITY. Of course this month's contract is rolling over into the next and no one has room for delivery. I've been trying to find some cheap frac tanks for sale to store some of our oil, but even those are expensive. Anyone have some cheap in Texas?
The majors stocks are actually holding up pretty well today. I was expecting a pretty good drop and was gonna nibble on some, but...….oh well. @catfish1957
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Bakken Crude (ND Sweet Light) down below $10/bbl.
We are now in Armageddon territory. The spigot will be squeezing down to a drip in 3..2...1....
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I saw WTI at $11 this morning, which means we are getting around $6....INSANITY. Of course this month's contract is rolling over into the next and no one has room for delivery. I've been trying to find some cheap frac tanks for sale to store some of our oil, but even those are expensive. Anyone have some cheap in Texas?
The majors stocks are actually holding up pretty well today. I was expecting a pretty good drop and was gonna nibble on some, but...….oh well. @catfish1957
$10/bbl oil is not a sustainable low price for an industrial world. There are some folks out there making a future speculative killing right now. Especially if some small players shake out.
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We are now in Armageddon territory. The spigot will be squeezing down to a drip in 3..2...1....
Helms: North Dakota's oil and gas industry has shut in at least 260,000 barrels of oil production
https://www.willistonherald.com/news/coronavirus/helms-north-dakotas-oil-and-gas-industry-has-shut-in-at-least-260-000-barrels/article_a8d3e4de-7e9b-11ea-8dbe-1ffaaf1e8312.html (https://www.willistonherald.com/news/coronavirus/helms-north-dakotas-oil-and-gas-industry-has-shut-in-at-least-260-000-barrels/article_a8d3e4de-7e9b-11ea-8dbe-1ffaaf1e8312.html)
Bakken regulator talks latest pandemic developments: 4,600 oil wells idled, new tank farms on horizon
https://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/bakken-regulator-talks-latest-pandemic-developments-4-600-oil-wells-idled-new-tank-farms-on/article_c9d06c8e-36ae-50fd-b34d-1b0f5b7b8561.html (https://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/bakken-regulator-talks-latest-pandemic-developments-4-600-oil-wells-idled-new-tank-farms-on/article_c9d06c8e-36ae-50fd-b34d-1b0f5b7b8561.html)
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What are 'COVID toes'? Dermatologists, podiatrists share strange findings
Maura Hohman
3 days ago
The longer the novel coronavirus circulates, the more unexpected symptoms pop up.
Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY. ... But because COVID toes may appear before or without other coronavirus symptoms, Freeman believes it should be a criterion for testing. ...
The condition usually starts with red or purple discoloration, and the skin may become raised or develop ulcerations, according to Freeman. It can be on hands, too.
Fox told TODAY it has appeared as "purple, red bumps" on the tips of digits and pads, or on the tops of toes or sides of feet.
People with COVID toes may feel the skin is hot, burning or itchy. ... More, including photos, at MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/what-are-covid-toes-dermatologists-podiatrists-share-strange-findings/ar-BB12MHPX?li=BBnba9O)
There has to be several different strains circulating out there or it's mutating, unfortunately. I would think that there possibly being different strains and mutation very plausible, it is going to make, making a vaccine very difficult.
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There has to be several different strains circulating out there or it's mutating, unfortunately. I would think that there possibly being different strains and mutation very plausible, it is going to make, making a vaccine very difficult.
Pathologists have learned to look for "COVID eyes" and "COVID toes." They are official symptoms of the infection. And, it's related to situations like the celebrity fellow who had to have a leg amputated. Thrombosis is the culprit.
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Pathologists have learned to look for "COVID eyes" and "COVID toes." They are official symptoms of the infection. And, it's related to situations like the celebrity fellow who had to have a leg amputated. Thrombosis is the culprit.
Nick Cordero - leg amputated (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/20/nick-cordero-leg-coronavirus/)
Only 41 years old. Messy stuff.
(He was a guest star on Blue Bloods, which is why I know who he is).
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Nick Cordero - leg amputated (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/20/nick-cordero-leg-coronavirus/)
Only 41 years old. Messy stuff.
(He was a guest star on Blue Bloods, which is why I know who he is).
Thank Yew!! I couldn't remember the name, so I went with the generic "celebrity guy."
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More than 1800 inmates test positive at Marion Correctional (Ohio) (https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/more-than-1800-inmates-at-marion-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus/)
Why congregate setting are still dangerous. Many of those who tested positive are asymptomatic.
The only death so far is a correctional officer.
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Thank Yew!! I couldn't remember the name, so I went with the generic "celebrity guy."
No problem! :beer: I only knew who he was because we watch a lot of Blue Bloods, and he's been on more than one.
Broadway guy.
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More than 1800 inmates test positive at Marion Correctional (Ohio) (https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/more-than-1800-inmates-at-marion-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus/)
Why congregate setting are still dangerous. Many of those who tested positive are asymptomatic.
The only death so far is a correctional officer.
@musiclady
Someone correct me if I am wrong,but isn't it possible to test positive for it,and not be or get sick from it?
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More than 1800 inmates test positive at Marion Correctional (Ohio) (https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/more-than-1800-inmates-at-marion-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus/)
Why congregate setting are still dangerous. Many of those who tested positive are asymptomatic.
The only death so far is a correctional officer.
Yet another reason to be annoyed at elected officials turning prisoners loose on society, while curtailing self-defense purchases. 9999hair out0000
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@musiclady
Someone correct me if I am wrong,but isn't it possible to test positive for it,and not be or get sick from it?
Yes. That's true for quite a few, I think.
(I hope I'm one! :laugh:)
Some have no symptoms, though, and get them later. It's a crazy virus.
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@musiclady
Someone correct me if I am wrong,but isn't it possible to test positive for it,and not be or get sick from it?
@sneakypete
Absolutely correct! It's also possible to get a false negative, where one can be affirmed "not infected," but still be a carrier.
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Nick Cordero - leg amputated (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/20/nick-cordero-leg-coronavirus/)
Only 41 years old. Messy stuff.
(He was a guest star on Blue Bloods, which is why I know who he is).
I've been binge watching Blue Bloods and am about halfway through. Who was he? @musiclady
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Yet another reason to be annoyed at elected officials turning prisoners loose on society, while curtailing self-defense purchases. 9999hair out0000
Selected non-violent offenders with intense supervision and mandatory quarantine should take care of it.
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Our local cookie factory has 50 confirmed cases with more hitting daily. They have over 300 workers. Craaaap…..
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I've been binge watching Blue Bloods and am about halfway through. Who was he? @musiclady
He was the smart mouthed guy who hijacked the truck, knee capped the driver, called Danny "Defective," and then came back and rode with Danny to find a criminal (kept playing Candy Crush on his phone).
We just watched those! (Fresh in my memory! happy77).
ETA- Season 8 episode 10 - character's name was Victor Lugo.
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Selected non-violent offenders with intense supervision and mandatory quarantine should take care of it.
I wish that's what they are doing, but I doubt it very much. Ankle monitors are expensive.
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I wish that's what they are doing, but I doubt it very much. Ankle monitors are expensive.
That's what they're doing here. Probably not in other states.
It's very, very, very selective. Prisoners need to be within 90 days of being released, no murderers, sexual predators, etc. even being considered.
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That's what they're doing here. Probably not in other states.
It's very, very, very selective. Prisoners need to be within 90 days of being released, no murderers, sexual predators, etc. even being considered.
I can tell you the Rat Sheriffs of LA and Maricopa (Phoenix) Counties are not doing that. I don't think there are even bonds involved.
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I wish that's what they are doing, but I doubt it very much. Ankle monitors are expensive.
Will that be the next shortage?
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I wish that's what they are doing, but I doubt it very much. Ankle monitors are expensive.
What about those neck rings they used in the Running Man? If you stray too far from base, the ring explodes, blowing off your head. Can't think of a more effective incentive.
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I can tell you the Rat Sheriffs of LA and Maricopa (Phoenix) Counties are not doing that. I don't think there are even bonds involved.
Not surprising, unfortunately.
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Helms: North Dakota's oil and gas industry has shut in at least 260,000 barrels of oil production
https://www.willistonherald.com/news/coronavirus/helms-north-dakotas-oil-and-gas-industry-has-shut-in-at-least-260-000-barrels/article_a8d3e4de-7e9b-11ea-8dbe-1ffaaf1e8312.html (https://www.willistonherald.com/news/coronavirus/helms-north-dakotas-oil-and-gas-industry-has-shut-in-at-least-260-000-barrels/article_a8d3e4de-7e9b-11ea-8dbe-1ffaaf1e8312.html)
Bakken regulator talks latest pandemic developments: 4,600 oil wells idled, new tank farms on horizon
https://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/bakken-regulator-talks-latest-pandemic-developments-4-600-oil-wells-idled-new-tank-farms-on/article_c9d06c8e-36ae-50fd-b34d-1b0f5b7b8561.html (https://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/bakken-regulator-talks-latest-pandemic-developments-4-600-oil-wells-idled-new-tank-farms-on/article_c9d06c8e-36ae-50fd-b34d-1b0f5b7b8561.html)
WTI $4....You'd basically be paying them to haul it off today. FREE GASOLINE EVERYONE! @Smokin Joe
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WTI $4....You'd basically be paying them to haul it off today. FREE GASOLINE EVERYONE! @Smokin Joe
Maybe a BOGO...gotta pay to run the pumps and for the driver to deliver it. **nononono*
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He was the smart mouthed guy who hijacked the truck, knee capped the driver, called Danny "Defective," and then came back and rode with Danny to find a criminal (kept playing Candy Crush on his phone).
We just watched those! (Fresh in my memory! happy77).
ETA- Season 8 episode 10 - character's name was Victor Lugo.
Hmm....don't remember him. I must not be to the newer ones yet. Danny's wife is sill alive on the one's I'm watching.
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Hmm....don't remember him. I must not be to the newer ones yet. Danny's wife is sill alive on the one's I'm watching.
He's a notable character. Once you've seen him, you'll remember him.
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WTI $4....You'd basically be paying them to haul it off today. FREE GASOLINE EVERYONE! @Smokin Joe
Plastics manufacturers are ecstatic.
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Plastics manufacturers are ecstatic.
WTI now $2.70. Brent is $26....so it's a contract thing. Noone wants it...amazing. Surely someone has a backyard pool they need filled... happy77
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Will that be the next shortage?
How about pre-emptively amputating one leg, to hobble them?
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Will that be the next shortage?
Naw. The bureaucrats will just ignore the risk and forego the bracelets, before they ever let it be known in such a concrete way what they are doing to society by turning criminals loose, and jailing the (used to be) "free."
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How about pre-emptively amputating one leg, to hobble them?
Too Islamic. Bring these back, much cheaper:
(https://joehurrycreations.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/bridezilla-ball-and-chain.png?w=450)
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WTI now $2.70. Brent is $26....so it's a contract thing. Noone wants it...amazing. Surely someone has a backyard pool they need filled... happy77
How are natural gas prices going?
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How are natural gas prices going?
$1.86
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WTI now $2.70. Brent is $26....so it's a contract thing. Noone wants it...amazing. Surely someone has a backyard pool they need filled... happy77
ND light sweet showing at $9.04
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ND light sweet showing at $9.04
WTI .90 No one wants to take delivery. This is historic.
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$1.86
That is up ten cents. Just want to make sure California liberals aren't benefiting off of this.
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WTI is now trading at -7 bucks! It's in negative territory!
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WTI is now trading at -7 bucks! It's in negative territory!
Get paid to fill the SPR!
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Get paid to fill the SPR!
-$35.00 WTI
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I'm hearing people talking about "filling the SPR," but is there capacity for this? How full are they already? And...are there new salt domes and such being used?
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(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b65da64dbe953d44f56abd81512a7f01c59ac4704c3d3767c04d123961d41eac.png)
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too funny
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I'm hearing people talking about "filling the SPR," but is there capacity for this? How full are they already? And...are there new salt domes and such being used?
Yes there is capacity and it does need to be refilled. They tried to pass a bill to do that last month and...surprise...Pelosi killed it in the House.
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-$35.00 WTI
-$38?
Commodity market glitch. No oil company is going to give you $38/bbl and oil on delivery. Insanity X 1000.
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-$38?
Commodity market glitch. No oil company is going to give you $38/bbl and oil on delivery. Insanity X 1000.
There is something more complicated than the typical exchange of goods with money going on here. It's a futures commodity market, and there are external forces at work like expiring contracts.
The worse thing a commodity futures trader could ever hear: "Where do you want it delivered?" That's a bitch if you have 15 tons of Oats.
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We were talking about this above:
Survey: COVID-19 Affecting Patients’ Access to Cancer Care
Delays and Financial Strain Dominate Cancer Patients’ Experience in Pandemic
April 15, 2020
Washington, D.C.—Cancer patients and those who’ve recently completed treatment are finding it challenging to get necessary health care in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic and many are experiencing financial stress trying to afford care in an increasingly difficult economic environment.
According to the latest survey from Survivor Views, a national cohort of cancer patients and survivors who complete surveys on a range of public policy issues important to the cancer community, half (51%) of all those surveyed reported some impact on their care due to the virus. Of those who’ve experienced an effect, nearly 1 in 4 report a delay in care or treatment. Among those 1 in 4, the most common delays were for in-person provider appointments (50%); delayed access to imaging services to determine if a patient’s cancer had grown or returned (20%); access to supportive services, including physical therapy or mental health care (20%); and access to surgical procedures (8%).
Among just the respondents who remain in active treatment, more than a quarter (27%) report a delay in their care, and 13% say they don’t know when it will be rescheduled. ...
More from American Cancer Society (https://www.fightcancer.org/releases/survey-covid-19-affecting-patients%E2%80%99-access-cancer-care#.Xp32i4t86sU)
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-$38?
Commodity market glitch. No oil company is going to give you $38/bbl and oil on delivery. Insanity X 1000.
I am going to buy Kuwait with my Trump check.
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There is something more complicated than the typical exchange of goods with money going on here. It's a futures commodity market, and there are external forces at work like expiring contracts.
The worse thing a commodity futures trader could ever hear: "Where do you want it delivered?" That's a bitch if you have 15 tons of Oats.
Exactly. Beleive me.... There is no trader selling or buying oil at this price right now, or ever will. The sphinter will tighten up way before it truly goes much under $10/bbl delievered. This is all a commodity trading glitch, but damned peculiar and unprecedented though. When the smoke clears, I still see oil deliveries really somewhere between $10-30/bbl for the near term.
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I am going to buy Kuwait with my Trump check.
LOL....
I'd say this high stakes game of chicken between Russia and the Saudis got "REAL" .... Real quick.
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Exactly. Beleive me.... There is no trader selling or buying oil at this price right now, or ever will. The sphinter will tighten up way before it truly goes much under $10/bbl delievered. This is all a commodity trading glitch, but damned peculiar and unprecedented though. When the smoke clears, I still see oil deliveries really somewhere between $10-30/bbl for the near term.
Price stability is why futures markets exist in the first place. The contracts in play today are for oil that physically moves to the refineries in May (I think).
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Price stability is why futures markets exist in the first place. The contracts in play today are for oil that physically moves to the refineries in May (I think).
You might be able to correct me, but I thought these contract prices between producers (unintegrated) refinerers, storage facilites, etc were based on tempered rolling averages. Say, of these crazy negative numbers were to persist, I'd expect a mass wave of Force Majeure moves. Like I have said, earlier, I just don't envision a scenario where a producer pays for delivery.
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You might be able to correct me, but I thought these contract prices between producers (unintegrated) refinerers, storage facilites, etc were based on tempered rolling averages. Say, of these crazy negative numbers were to persist, I'd expect a mass wave of Force Majeure moves. Like I have said, earlier, I just don't envision a scenario where a producer pays for delivery.
A situation cannot exist in nature where a producer pays the buyer to take the product. That said, a system of regulations and rules creates an unnatural market, so who knows what will really happen? It's unprecedented. And I certainly do not have the knowledge chops to say you are wrong about any of this.
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A little bit of local good news:
The county next door to mine has fallen to two—yes, two—active cases after an outbreak late last month. No new cases in several days. I don't remember what their high point in active cases was; there've been 27 over the entire course of the outbreak. Their quarantine numbers have dropped to a quarter of what they were earlier this week.
https://wnynewsnow.com/2020/04/20/no-new-covid-19-cases-reported-in-chautauqua-county-monday/
(My county appears to be leveling off, despite an uptick in testing. Most of the new cases appear to be traced contacts and health-care workers who live on the other side of the county. 18 active cases here, 30 overall. None have died yet, thankfully, though there was a close call.)
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Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds
April 20, 20201:12 PM UPDATED 2:29 PM
Hundreds of thousands of Los Angeles County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, far outpacing the number of officially confirmed cases, according to a report released Monday.
The initial results from the first large-scale study tracking the spread of the coronavirus in the county found that 2.8% to 5.6% of adults have antibodies to the virus in their blood, an indication of past exposure.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county)
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LOL....
I'd say this high stakes game of chicken between Russia and the Saudis got "REAL" .... Real quick.
Thank goodness our President spent so much time negotiating with both over the last 2 weeks. Just think how much lower the oil price would be without him.
And great timing on refilling the national oil reserve. #TheArtoftheDeal
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The previous LA Times article, LA County study, combined with Stanford Santa Clara studies draw many similar results, namely far more people have been exposed, which results in a far lower death percent.
STEM types will generally be more conversant, than Rhetoric, social studies, TDS loser types
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Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds
April 20, 20201:12 PM UPDATED 2:29 PM
Hundreds of thousands of Los Angeles County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, far outpacing the number of officially confirmed cases, according to a report released Monday.
The initial results from the first large-scale study tracking the spread of the coronavirus in the county found that 2.8% to 5.6% of adults have antibodies to the virus in their blood, an indication of past exposure.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county)
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That's a pretty small percentage as far as providing any herd immunity. I wonder how accurate these antibody tests are relative to a specific strain? There are many other corona virus strains running around normally. Some mild, some not.
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Yes there is capacity and it does need to be refilled. They tried to pass a bill to do that last month and...surprise...Pelosi killed it in the House.
There's room for 77,000,000 barrels of oil and a chance to fill it cheaper than any time in the last 40 years.
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Yes there is capacity and it does need to be refilled. They tried to pass a bill to do that last month and...surprise...Pelosi killed it in the House.
Why does it require an act of Congress to fill the SPR, when a President can release it at the stroke of a pen?
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Why does it require an act of Congress to fill the SPR, when a President can release it at the stroke of a pen?
Not sure, but the same people who didn't re-stock masks and such don't want to buy oil cheap.
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Not sure, but the same people who didn't re-stock masks and such don't want to buy oil cheap.
True. In fact, Congress would prefer to buy the oil at the highest possible price, to benefit Pelosi's "rich oil friends." She has more of those than either Bush.
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Why does it require an act of Congress to fill the SPR, when a President can release it at the stroke of a pen?
Money, but thankfully our President already locked us into 30 million barrels at March prices.
https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude (https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude)
Today, DOE announced a solicitation for the purchase of an initial 30 million barrels to begin filling the SPR. Solicitations for additional purchases will follow.
“DOE is moving quickly to support U.S. oil producers facing potentially catastrophic losses from the impacts of COVID-19 and the intentional disruption to world oil markets by foreign actors,†said U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette.
Under this initial solicitation, DOE will purchase up to 30 million barrels of sweet and sour crude oil with a focus on small to midsize U.S. oil producers.
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Money, but thankfully our President already locked us into 30 million barrels at March prices.
https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude (https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude)
But was that money actually appropriated for the purchase? Or was that just a solicitation that went nowhere? I honestly do not know.
ETA: I should read linked articles more often. FTA:
Today’s solicitation is the first step toward filling the SPR to its maximum capacity. The Department is working with Congress to finalize the funding to support the purchase of the full 77 million barrels of oil, consistent with the President’s directive.
That's the appropriation @txradioguy was talking about Pelosi killing.
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https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-crude-oil-storage-contracts-help-alleviate-us-oil-industry-storage-crunch (https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-crude-oil-storage-contracts-help-alleviate-us-oil-industry-storage-crunch)
The awards under negotiation are for approximately 23 million barrels of crude oil storage, which will be distributed into all four SPR sites. Most of these deliveries will be received in May and June 2020, with possible early deliveries in April. Awardees can schedule return of their oil through March 2021, minus a small amount of oil to cover the SPR’s cost of storage.
Actually it looks like there ain't much storage room left.
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But was that money actually appropriated for the purchase? Or was that just a solicitation that went nowhere? I honestly do not know.
ETA: I should read linked articles more often. FTA:
That's the appropriation @txradioguy was talking about Pelosi killing.
https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude (https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude)
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https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-crude-oil-storage-contracts-help-alleviate-us-oil-industry-storage-crunch (https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-crude-oil-storage-contracts-help-alleviate-us-oil-industry-storage-crunch)
Actually it looks like there ain't much storage room left.
Maybe not. It's hard to tell from the press stories how much is actually in there. That said, it seems the holding capacity is not very flexible.
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https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude (https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-executes-direction-president-trump-announces-solicitation-purchase-crude)
That is the article from which I was quoting. It's a solicitation, and moot if the money doesn't get appropriated by Congress.
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That is the article from which I was quoting. It's a solicitation, and moot if the money doesn't get appropriated by Congress.
They look a lot alike, but the one I linked was from March 19, the one you linked from April 14. The April 14 is for proposals for storage (temporary), not a purchase by the US. Storage is done on a temporary basis, with the oil company able to pull that oil out (minus a cut the US gets for storing it).
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True. In fact, Congress would prefer to buy the oil at the highest possible price, to benefit Pelosi's "rich oil friends." She has more of those than either Bush.
Let's not forget too that back when Billy Jeff was perving in the Oval Office they sold off parts of the SPR in California to Occidental Oil...a company that Algore had $500K worth of stock in at the time.
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@sneakypete
Absolutely correct! It's also possible to get a false negative, where one can be affirmed "not infected," but still be a carrier.
@Cyber Liberty
THAT really sucks. If the tests are that bad,why even bother to get one?
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@Cyber Liberty
THAT really sucks. If the tests are that bad,why even bother to get one?
All tests have error. What's important is to keep the error rate very small.
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But was that money actually appropriated for the purchase? Or was that just a solicitation that went nowhere? I honestly do not know.
ETA: I should read linked articles more often. FTA:
That's the appropriation @txradioguy was talking about Pelosi killing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/)
Second, because in the last stimulus package, Congress refused to grant the Energy Department the money it sought to buy oil for the SPR. So the SPR couldn’t have bought the oil and I don’t think it has the authority to sell oil in the futures market. At least, it hasn’t done so since it was founded in 1975.
Looks like I'm wrong. Oil wasn't purchased.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/)
Looks like I'm wrong. Oil wasn't purchased.
I appreciate your wading through the WaPo sewer to dig that up. You're an upright dood. :beer:
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Let's not forget too that back when Billy Jeff was perving in the Oval Office they sold off parts of the SPR in California to Occidental Oil...a company that Algore had $500K worth of stock in at the time.
Armand Hammer (the founder of Occidental) used to point to Al Gore's father and then pat his hip pocket indicating that he owned Senator Gore. And BTW: Armand's father was the holder of membership card # 000001 in the United States Communist Party.
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Armand Hammer (the founder of Occidental) used to point to Al Gore's father and then pat his hip pocket indicating that he owned Senator Gore. And BTW: Armand's father was the holder of membership card # 000001 in the United States Communist Party.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.
A lot of politicians were mere possessions of that old commie. His escapades would make George Soros blush. Occidental Petroleum was more powerful than General Motors that way.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.
@txradioguy
Goober has no idea where he is. His mama was even heard to say he was too stupid to learn when talking about him one night. His father was that stupid,too.
The mother was the brains of the family. IIRC,she was the first female to graduate from Vanderbilt Law,and then she married Goober's papa and took over control of him.
IIRC,she is Armand Hammer's sister. Armand also had a brother that was a federal judge. He got caught several years ago for selling sentencing,and supposedly went to prison for it. I didn't follow up on it to see if he served a full week or not,but you bet he didn't serve long.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if Junior was in his hip pocket too.
Armand is no longer among the living but when he was Al Gore Jr. was definitely his puppet. Books have been written about the Gores, Occidental petroleum, and their LONG time involvement with the former Soviet Union.
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04-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.031 ↑ | 3.230 ↓ |
| United States | 1.703 ↓ | 10.951 ↑ |
| China | 16.642 ↑ | 1.073 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 247,423
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 20.0 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 57.5 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Overall, US numbers leveling off although there are increases in some places. Indiana and Louisiana showing a downward trends. Pennsylvania and Maryland showing upward trends.
Also, it looks like the death counters in some states are given the weekend off. Connecticut and Georgia saw low weekend numbers, but high Monday numbers. And recoveries still are going uncounted. You would think that States would want to know who has recovered so they can use their plasma for treating other people.
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Armand is no longer among the living but when he was Al Gore Jr. was definitely his puppet. Books have been written about the Gores, Occidental petroleum, and their LONG time involvement with the former Soviet Union.
The Teapot Dome scandal almost brought down the entire Harding Administration. But when Bill Clinton took it a step further by selling the Elk Hills Petroleum Reserve to an oil company his Vice President was heavily connected to, the press remained completely silent.
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Can the coronavirus be spread through flatulence? Probably not, unless you're naked.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/
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Can the coronavirus be spread through flatulence? Probably not, unless you're naked.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/
Gotta watch out and not inhale any farticles...
I think the issue at issue would be issued in the can...A courtesy flush would be in order to reduce the ambient farticle level.
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Gotta watch out and not inhale any farticles...
@Smokin Joe
That's right,take ALL the joy away from political aides.
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Can the coronavirus be spread through flatulence? Probably not, unless you're naked.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/
When my wife is showering i'll often stick my naked ass in and blast her with a rectal explosion. Guess that fun is taken away now too.
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@Smokin Joe
That's right,take ALL the joy away from political aides.
I somehow doubt coprophiles will change their ways, anyway...
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This looks fake to me. Why is she wearing a mask?
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This looks fake to me. Why is she wearing a mask?
@Once-Ler
I dunno,but I am fairly certain it guarantees her identity will soon be made public.
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04-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.158 ↑ | 3.120 ↓ |
| United States | 1.830 ↑ | 9.874 ↓ |
| China | 16.650 ↑ | 1.073 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 263,233
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.2 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 60.0 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Good news: US reported recoveries increased by 10k. But there's still over a quarter million not yet accounted for who were diagnosed at least 2 weeks ago.
Today also saw a substantial uptick in deaths (2,804) from the previous day (1,939) - an increase of 865. However, six states accounted for 753 of those deaths (87%).
Here are the six States and their increases from Monday to Tuesday:
NY - + 21%
NJ - +114%
PA - +139%
MI - +201%
IL - +101%
MA - + 47%
It is worth noting that several red-state governors received heavy criticism from Democrats after they announced today they were reopening their states. Is it a coincidence that four Democrat governors would double or even triple their death numbers in response?
Here's what one Pennsylvania state rep had to say:
Rep. Rob Kauffman Questions Mysterious Franklin County COVID19 Death Figure Increase
The PA Department of Health has reported that Franklin County COVID19 deaths have gone from zero to ten overnight. The only problem is that Franklin County still reports that there has still been no COVID19 deaths. Representative Kauffman posted the following statement on his Facebook page today:
“At this point, I will no longer be reporting data from the Department of Health. Overnight according to the PA Department of Health, the death total for COVID-19 in Franklin County went from 0 to 10. Currently, by provision of the County Code, County Coroners are getting all deaths reported to them, whether they are hospital, home or nursing home deaths. The Franklin County Coroner has 0 COVID-19 deaths on record. The PA Department of Health has 10 overnight. I cannot resolve this discrepancy and no one will answer the questions that I ask daily.â€
Strange that the Wolf administration seems to be inflating the number of COVID19 deaths just a day after a few thousand Pennsylvanians demonstrated against his tyrannical shutdown measures.
https://thefranklincountyjournal.com/2020/04/21/rep-rob-kauffman-questions-mysterious-franklin-county-covid19-death-figure-increase/ (https://thefranklincountyjournal.com/2020/04/21/rep-rob-kauffman-questions-mysterious-franklin-county-covid19-death-figure-increase/)
Bottom line, Democrats are cooking the books.
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@Once-Ler
I dunno,but I am fairly certain it guarantees her identity will soon be made public.
@sneakypete I've noticed that some of the most extreme signs are held by masked people in a sea of unmasked protesters. I makes me wonder if the sign is extreme because the guy holding it is a plant or agitator. It's possible they just want to conceal their face to protect against doxing, but it makes it hard to believe the message is legitimate. Thanx for your reply. I don't know that was the point you were making, but it helped me frame the situation more fully
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Rep. Rob Kauffman Questions Mysterious Franklin County COVID19 Death Figure Increase
The PA Department of Health has reported that Franklin County COVID19 deaths have gone from zero to ten overnight. The only problem is that Franklin County still reports that there has still been no COVID19 deaths. Representative Kauffman posted the following statement on his Facebook page today:
“At this point, I will no longer be reporting data from the Department of Health. Overnight according to the PA Department of Health, the death total for COVID-19 in Franklin County went from 0 to 10. Currently, by provision of the County Code, County Coroners are getting all deaths reported to them, whether they are hospital, home or nursing home deaths. The Franklin County Coroner has 0 COVID-19 deaths on record. The PA Department of Health has 10 overnight. I cannot resolve this discrepancy and no one will answer the questions that I ask daily.â€
Strange that the Wolf administration seems to be inflating the number of COVID19 deaths just a day after a few thousand Pennsylvanians demonstrated against his tyrannical shutdown measures.
https://thefranklincountyjournal.com/2020/04/21/rep-rob-kauffman-questions-mysterious-franklin-county-covid19-death-figure-increase/ (https://thefranklincountyjournal.com/2020/04/21/rep-rob-kauffman-questions-mysterious-franklin-county-covid19-death-figure-increase/)
Bottom line, Democrats are cooking the books.
In a related Pennsylvania story:
Warren County had a death reported to them. The only hospital and testing site in Warren County swears there was no such death or even a case.
https://www.facebook.com/WarrenGeneralHospital/photos/a.165836613246/10157302690108247/ (https://www.facebook.com/WarrenGeneralHospital/photos/a.165836613246/10157302690108247/)
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IF this information is accurate; the bad news about this virus just keeps getting worse. This is why perhaps people are testing positive again...there is no end to this. So ... go out and enjoy life as much as you can for as long as you can.
Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds
The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.
The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in finding that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure.
The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.
The researchers analyzed the strains from 11 randomly chosen coronavirus patients from Hangzhou, where there have been 1,264 reported cases, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells. China's coronavirus numbers, however, have been questioned, as they have not been verified.
More than 30 different mutations of the virus were detected, of which 19 were previously undiscovered.
“Sars-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity,†Li wrote in the paper........
https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds (https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds)
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Not only can we not trust China's numbers, we can't trust Pennsylvania's either.
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Good on my President for starting today's press conference with remembrance of the dead and mourning. He should make that a habit.
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Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds
The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.
The researchers analyzed the strains from 11 randomly chosen coronavirus patients from Hangzhou (...)More than 30 different mutations of the virus were detected, of which 19 were previously undiscovered.
Yeah, this looks more like disinformation than legitimate research.
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I just finished watching today's press conference by President Trump. It was very very good. No finger pointing, lots of praise for rat congress and rat Governors like Cuomo working with him. No grips about the media. Re-iterated that saving lives is our first priority. Re-iterated social distancing and small social groups. Re-iterated they are monitoring everything and strategy is reassessed based on the data. I missed Dr Fauci but A+
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@sneakypete I've noticed that some of the most extreme signs are held by masked people in a sea of unmasked protesters. I makes me wonder if the sign is extreme because the guy holding it is a plant or agitator. It's possible they just want to conceal their face to protect against doxing, but it makes it hard to believe the message is legitimate. Thanx for your reply. I don't know that was the point you were making, but it helped me frame the situation more fully
@Once-Ler
I strongly suspect she was both an agitator,and a leader. Or at least a leader on the "street level". The real leaders never expose themselves to the public eye and risk arrest. Remember,these people are communists and operate under the cell system of layers of groups that are independent of each other,and only connected by someone in the next step in the leadership chain who gives them their marching orders.
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IF this information is accurate; the bad news about this virus just keeps getting worse. This is why perhaps people are testing positive again...there is no end to this. So ... go out and enjoy life as much as you can for as long as you can.
Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds
The novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different genetic variations, according to a new study in China.
The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in finding that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure.
The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.
The researchers analyzed the strains from 11 randomly chosen coronavirus patients from Hangzhou, where there have been 1,264 reported cases, and then tested how efficiently they could infect and kill cells. China's coronavirus numbers, however, have been questioned, as they have not been verified.
More than 30 different mutations of the virus were detected, of which 19 were previously undiscovered.
“Sars-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity,†Li wrote in the paper........
https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds (https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-mutated-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds)
So is that more deadly or less deadly? A vaccine will be of questionable efficacy against a 30+ strain pathogen.
No point in waiting for that.
In the meantime, the Democrats are trying to crush the economy beyond not just a quick recovery, but any recovery at all.
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So is that more deadly or less deadly? A vaccine will be of questionable efficacy against a 30+ strain pathogen.
No point in waiting for that.
In the meantime, the Democrats are trying to crush the economy beyond not just a quick recovery, but any recovery at all.
by voting unanimously with the GOP Senate? shame.
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by voting unanimously with the GOP Senate? shame.
No. By inflating COVID-19 death numbers in places like NY and PA to push for longer shutdowns.
Besides , if the Democrats voted unanimously for something, it's likely bad.
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No. By inflating COVID-19 death numbers in places like NY and PA to push for longer shutdowns.
NY doesn't need to inflate their numbers. Gov Cuomo, and Mayor duhBlasio are presiding over the #1 infections and deathtoll by wide margins. Their shutdown will not stop the opening of ND. PA is number 5 for infections. They ain't opening anytime soon either.
Besides , if the Democrats voted unanimously for something, it's likely bad.
No blame to the GOP Majority Leader, unanimous GOP Senators, or President Trump who joined them? Thats OAN fair. :thumbsup:
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NY doesn't need to inflate their numbers. Gov Cuomo, and Mayor duhBlasio are presiding over the #1 infections and deathtoll by wide margins. Their shutdown will not stop the opening of ND. PA is number 5 for infections. They ain't opening anytime soon either.
No blame to the GOP Majority Leader, unanimous GOP Senators, or President Trump who joined them? Thats OAN fair. :thumbsup:
NY may not need to, but that didn't stop them from dumping 3700 deaths in the lap of the coronavirus a few days ago as "presumptive" coronavirus deaths. That sort of book-cooking may end up wasting research dollars in the future trying to account for anomalies that only exist in accounting, or even divert resources today that might be more useful elsewhere.
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A coroner in Pennsylvania has challenged the state's health secretary on attributing deaths to the virus when that wasn't the cause:
EXCLUSIVE: Lycoming County Coroner Kiessling challenges Sec. Levine on COVID-19 death reporting
April 21, 2020
By Todd Bartley
Earlier today the Pennsylvania Department of Health announced two deaths attributed to COVID-19 in Lycoming County as first reported by News Talk 104.1.
On Tuesday evening, Lycoming County Coroner Charles Kiessling issued the following statement and video.
“In my capacity as Lycoming County Coroner, there are zero “official deaths†in Lycoming County thus far, contradicting the numbers Secretary Levine released today and raising serious concerns regarding their accuracy, with my office..
Please be advised going forward, for official Lycoming County information regarding Coronavirus numbers, please refer to this page only, and I will take responsibility in interacting with you with daily posts/video (3PM EST) until further notice.â€
Coroner Kiessling
WEJS (video at link) (http://talkwilliamsport.com/exclusive-lycoming-county-coroner-kiessling-challenges-sec-levine-on-covid-19-death-reporting/?fbclid=IwAR0bnV4f8evVeFwvPKtkBdV7WQbDA1Vv-pTzBrUUoemv6RDKF8pbi60H_LY)
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A Pa. state representative posted on Facebook:Rob Kauffman
18 hrs ·
At this point, I will no longer be reporting data from the Department of Health. Overnight according to the PA Department of Health, the death total for COVID-19 in Franklin County went from 0 to 10. Currently, by provision of the County Code, County Coroners are getting all deaths reported to them, whether they are hospital, home or nursing home deaths. The Franklin County Coroner has 0 COVID-19 deaths on record. The PA Department of Health has 10 overnight. I cannot resolve this discrepancy and no one will answer the questions that I ask daily.
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I’m seeing a lot of news stories this morning saying because of coronavirus there are more birds, less pollution. Saw an amazing article how endangered sea turtles are coming back.
Maybe it’s because of Earth Day, but it’s a silver lining in these weird, scary times.
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I’m seeing a lot of news stories this morning saying because of coronavirus there are more birds, less pollution. Saw an amazing article how endangered sea turtles are coming back.
Maybe it’s because of Earth Day, but it’s a silver lining in these weird, scary times.
Just more proof that nature will get along just fine after our species dies out.
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Rose Cousins "The Benefits of Being Alone" OFFICIAL
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjKoT_9rjms#)
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Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsies-find-first-us-coronavirus-death-occurred-in-early-february-weeks-earlier-than-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsies-find-first-us-coronavirus-death-occurred-in-early-february-weeks-earlier-than-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb)
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Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsies-find-first-us-coronavirus-death-occurred-in-early-february-weeks-earlier-than-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsies-find-first-us-coronavirus-death-occurred-in-early-february-weeks-earlier-than-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb)
Aw geez, now they'll go back and count all the people who died in February and bump up the Covid-19 death count just to make Trump look bad.
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"A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients"
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A-mysterious-blood-clotting-complication-is-15218500.php (https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A-mysterious-blood-clotting-complication-is-15218500.php)
This doesn't sound very good. Just more ways this virus appears to be different than other corona viruses.
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Rolling Average for Georgia
(https://dhpexternal.dph.ga.gov/ncovreps/daily_rolling_deaths.png)
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"A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients"
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A-mysterious-blood-clotting-complication-is-15218500.php (https://www.thehour.com/news/article/A-mysterious-blood-clotting-complication-is-15218500.php)
This doesn't sound very good. Just more ways this virus appears to be different than other corona viruses.
Blood clots are not uncommon for sedated ICU patients. Is this clotting anomaly also affecting patients recovering at home?
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Blood clots are not uncommon for sedated ICU patients. Is this clotting anomaly also affecting patients recovering at home?
Clotting is presenting as secondary symptoms, like red to purple toes and fingers on people not yet hospitalized.
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04-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.221 ↑ | 3.064 ↓ |
| United States | 1.764 ↓ | 10.098 ↑ |
| China | 16.656 ↑ | 1.073 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 314,475
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 18.8 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 44.6 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
A 62% decline for Pennsylvania today, and a 51% decline for Michigan. You won't see that posted in any headline though.
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Gotta love the Babylon Bee....
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Nugget from the NY briefing today:
Initial reports from antibody testing are showing 1 in 5 New York City residents have COVID antibodies.
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04-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.280 ↑ | 3.012 ↓ |
| United States | 1.724 ↓ | 10.244 ↑ |
| China | 16.668 ↑ | 1.072 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 329,922
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 18.5 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.1 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Cuomo commented today about how 20% of New Yorkers (City) have antibodies in their blood, and how they would be useful as plasma donors. Yet recoveries continue to go uncounted. Seems to me that one-fifth of the population of New York City should be added to the 'Recovered' count.
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Dozens of residents test positive for COVID-19 at Huntington Beach nursing home
Posted: Apr 22, 2020 / 08:23 AM PDT / Updated: Apr 22, 2020 / 08:23 AM PDT
Two patients at an Orange County nursing home died this week from COVID-19 as a coronavirus outbreak at the facility has sickened half its residents and several staff members.
Thus far, 48 other patients and 24 healthcare staff members at Huntington Valley Healthcare Center, 8382 Newman Ave. in Huntington Beach, have tested positivefor the coronavirus, according to a news release from the company.
Of the 48 sickened patients, 14 are in hospitals, but their status, including whether they were in ICU, was unknown by the company Tuesday evening, according to Huntington Valley officials. One of the patients, a 77-year-old man, died Monday night at a hospital, and the other patient, a 79-year-old man, died at the facility Tuesday. Company officials did not have information available Tuesday evening on whether the two patients had preexisting conditions.
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Company officials did not have information available Tuesday evening on whether the two patients had preexisting conditions.
If they didn't, why were they living in a nursing home? It wasn't a retirement village, it was a nursing home - "Healthcare Center."
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New York update:
Don't dwell too much on the bright yellow line. Note the actual bars. There's some noise, but 11 days after the apex, hospitalizations now match 10 days before the apex. In other words, it's roughly following a bell curve. If so, steep declines should begin showing up in the numbers soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWYSP0NXsAMxf8a?format=jpg&name=medium)
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New York update:
Don't dwell too much on the bright yellow line. Note the actual bars. There's some noise, but 11 days after the apex, hospitalizations now match 10 days before the apex. In other words, it's roughly following a bell curve. If so, steep declines should begin showing up in the numbers soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWYSP0NXsAMxf8a?format=jpg&name=medium)
If you extrapolate that graph hospitalizations should taper off to near zero in June.
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Woohoo.....
Yum....Wife is making Wuhan Batshit Crazy Chicken tonight. With ultra spiced Ginger, and red hot chinese peppers? All Wokked up.........Get the pepto out for sure.
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Woohoo.....
Yum....Wife is making Wuhan Batshit Crazy Chicken tonight. With ultra spiced Ginger, and red hot chinese peppers? All Wokked up.........Get the pepto out for sure.
@catfish1957
She does that to you,and you still live with her?
WHY?
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Wow, it has been so long since I had Wuhan Batshit Crazy Ginger Chicken.
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@catfish1957
She does that to you,and you still live with her?
WHY?
@sneakypete
I know the indigestion may do me in before the COVID-19. Actually, I do like a bit of spice in moderation. Long term and constant on the menu? I'd be dead of some form of ulcer in 6 months.
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Wow, it has been so long since I had Wuhan Batshit Crazy Ginger Chicken.
Mealtime quarantine style, has to get innovative. Hey tomorrow, I grill "Leg of Liberal".
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@sneakypete
I know the indigestion may do me in before the COVID-19. Actually, I do like a bit of spice in moderation. Long term and constant on the menu? I'd be dead of some form of ulcer in 6 months.
We are where we are, right.
Not sure it it is a Texas dish, or Barbecue, if Jalapenos don't come on the side, or part of the meal.
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Mealtime quarantine style, has to get innovative. Hey tomorrow, I grill "Leg of Liberal".
I'd rather eat a cat.
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Wow, it has been so long since I had Wuhan Batshit Crazy Ginger Chicken.
They have redheads in China? ****drummer
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They have redheads in China? ****drummer
lol
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Why am I concerned about the American milk supply now!?! :shrug:
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Thank you for keeping us abreast of that development. :patriot:
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It looks to be a bit nipply in that store.
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The run on bread turned out to be a bust.
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I'd love to see her in the Beer Aisle.
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04-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.353 ↑ | 2.982 ↓ |
| United States | 2.116 ↑ | 8.377 ↓ |
| China | 16.679 ↑ | 1.072 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 330,470
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 22.4 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 40.2 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
A good day statistically for the US. There were 24k recoveries added. Number of new deaths fell everywhere except New England and Colorado. New York deaths below 500. New Jersey deaths below 200. Also, global case-to-recovery ration fell below 3 for the first time.
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I'd love to see her in the Beer Aisle.
ya spelt eye'll her wrong, you boob
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Mar. 24: 704 deaths
Apr. 24: 51,017 deaths
50K dead in one month. 8888crybaby
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Mar. 24: 704 deaths
Apr. 24: 51,017 deaths
50K dead in one month. 8888crybaby
https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ (https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/)
Over 13,400,000 abortions this year
CELEBRATE, Over thirteen million people murdered who won't have to deal with death by covid.
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https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ (https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/)
Over 13,400,000 abortions this year
CELEBRATE, Over thirteen million people murdered who won't have to deal with death by covid.
You have a strange definition of CELEBRATE.
I think 13 million abortions in a year is a tragedy. Of course the 50K dead in a month I referred to is American lives, but that's no slam on your concern for the world. I say let's fix the USA first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States) reports 623,471 abortions reported to CDC in 2016 or about 50K per month. Must I pick which disaster is more tragic @bigheadfred ? May I cry for both without your righteously indignant mockery?
Coming soon The U.S. military reported 58,220 American casualties during the Vietnam war.
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You have a strange definition of CELEBRATE.
I think 13 million abortions in a year is a tragedy. Of course the 50K dead in a month I referred to is American lives, but that's no slam on your concern for the world. I say let's fix the USA first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States) reports 623,471 abortions reported to CDC in 2016 or about 50K per month. Must I pick which disaster is more tragic @bigheadfred ? May I cry for both without your righteously indignant mockery?
Coming soon The U.S. military reported 58,220 American casualties during the Vietnam war.
I think that over 13 million murders by abortion SO FAR THIS YEAR is worse than a tragedy.
You want to fix the USA? Give me a gun.
People are still dying in this country by the horrors inflicted on them and their own by Viet Nam.
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@Once-Ler
And set your own righteously indignant mockery next to me with that gun.
See how far that shit flies before something goes to pieces.
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And while "WE" are at it, to fix the USA, then just put Korea and Viet Nam on China's tab.
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Perfect.
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Stolen.
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@Once-Ler
And set your own righteously indignant mockery next to me with that gun.
See how far that shit flies before something goes to pieces.
What would you do with that gun that would solve anything?
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I'd love to see her in the Beer Aisle.
@corbe
I'd love to see her anywhere.
I want her to be my friend,causen that's just the kind of guy I am.
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@Once-Ler
And set your own righteously indignant mockery next to me with that gun.
See how far that shit flies before something goes to pieces.
@bigheadfred
You win most manly keyboard. 888heartkitty
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What would you do with that gun that would solve anything?
It doesn't solve.
bleep YOU
No. What I meant to say is bleep YOU.
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@bigheadfred
You win most manly keyboard. 888heartkitty
This is an aside and a deeply personal question.
Have you ever killed another living thing, with the intent of killing it, for your own personal gain?
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What would you do with that gun that would solve anything?
The answer is to make "that" insolvent.
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This is an aside and a deeply personal question.
Have you ever killed another living thing, with the intent of killing it, for your own personal gain?
I killed a mouse to stop my wife's screaming...so yes(?)
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@bigheadfred
You win most manly keyboard. 888heartkitty
You are better than that.
This is already on the wire. The Net. The entire interwebabolonging.
Tell me what you did today to make the world a better place.
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I killed a mouse to stop my wife's screaming...so yes(?)
Taking the batteries out does score some points. So. Yes.
Taking a charge by unplugging her cell phone and hiding it it on a location she cannot see, like right next to the tv remote, may cause a different reaction.
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You are better than that.
This is already on the wire. The Net. The entire interwebabolonging.
Tell me what you did today to make the world a better place.
I posted that kitty emoji. I've been keeping sales high for the Sazerac Co. a privately held American alcoholic beverage company non-stop for 3 months. I've also been expanding my culture by viewing the films of many notable lesbian actresses.
Has any man given more?
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Good Lesbians are hard to find.
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I posted that kitty emoji. I've been keeping sales high for the Sazerac Co. a privately held American alcoholic beverage company non-stop for 3 months. I've also been expanding my culture by viewing the films of many notable lesbian actresses.
Has any man given more?
Have you found the one with Clinton's a Liar and Pia Zadora? If you do, PM me a link....
I've been doing my part, one pint at a time....
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Atlanta mayor issues coronavirus warning for people going to nail salons
By Melissa Klein
April 25, 2020
New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/atlanta-mayor-issues-coronavirus-warning-for-people-going-to-nail-salons/) Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms put out a warning today for anyone getting a manicure at the state’s newly reopened salons.
“If you’re getting your nails done right now, please share these noon numbers with your manicurist,†Bottoms tweeted at 1:30 p.m. along with a chart showing the Peach State’s latest stats on coronavirus deaths and infections. She added the hashtag #StayHomeGeorgia.
The numbers show deaths hit 904, an increase of 34 percent over a week ago, and cases reached 22,695, up 28 percent in a week. ...
“We are not on the other side of this,†she said. “It’s like we are in a tunnel, and rather than walking straight toward the light, we’re spinning around in circles. We’ll never get to the light if we don’t continue to do what we’ve done thus far, and that’s to separate ourselves socially from one another.â€
What?
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Atlanta mayor issues coronavirus warning for people going to nail salons
By Melissa Klein
April 25, 2020
New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/atlanta-mayor-issues-coronavirus-warning-for-people-going-to-nail-salons/) What?
Consider the source. I'm surprised she didn't warn people away from tanning booths.
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This is an aside and a deeply personal question.
Have you ever killed another living thing, with the intent of killing it, for your own personal gain?
Unless you count food, no.
There is nothing I want that bad.
It would take a deeper motive.
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This is an aside and a deeply personal question.
Have you ever killed another living thing, with the intent of killing it, for your own personal gain?
Lots of mosquitos.
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04-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.443 ↑ | 2.927 ↓ |
| United States | 2.178 ↑ | 8.130 ↓ |
| China | 16.709 ↑ | 1.070 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 349,398
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 22.6 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.6 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Upticks in New York, New Jersey, and Michigan. Overall, just over 2,000 deaths, but no numbers for Colorado. Expecting a weekend abatement. More recoveries coming in. Let's see how it looks on Monday.
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Lots of mosquitos.
I saw my last skeeter when I left Texas on a train to Phoenix. I still haven't seen any since I saw Texas in my rear view mirror, and it's been 40 years. :shrug:
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Good Lesbians are hard to find.
@corbe
Bad ones are also hard to find,but MUCH more fun. For one thing,they have girlfriends.
Don try this with your main squeeze and her sister,who you used to date before her.
Trust me on this one.
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I saw my last skeeter when I left Texas on a train to Phoenix. I still haven't seen any since I saw Texas in my rear view mirror, and it's been 40 years. :shrug:
I've probably killed thousands of them, all for my personal gain (not to be bitten).
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A lot of Chinese in my neighborhood in Brooklyn. The other day on my early morning walk I saw a car slowly driving the empty street with an older Chinese couple inside, both wearing their masks. I shook my head and laughed as the car crept by.
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Be careful with those masks, people.
New Jersey driver crashes car after passing out from wearing N95 mask
By Craig McCarthy
April 24, 2020 | 1:29pm
A New Jersey driver crashed head-on into a pole — after passing out from wearing an N95 mask for hours, police said Friday.
Lincoln Park police believe that the driver, who was not named, lost consciousness while behind the wheel Thursday from lack of oxygen and breathing in excessive carbon dioxide thanks to the mask, the department wrote on Facebook. ...
Full story at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/24/driver-crashes-car-after-passing-out-from-wearing-n95-mask/)
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A lot of Chinese in my neighborhood in Brooklyn. The other day on my early morning walk I saw a car slowly driving the empty street with an older Chinese couple inside, both wearing their masks. I shook my head and laughed as the car crept by.
It's like when I see people in the middle of our local walking park wearing masks. Of course there is no one within 100' of them.
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It's like when I see people in the middle of our local walking park wearing masks. Of course there is no one within 100' of them.
@mrpotatohead
Seems like most people are so afraid of dying they are afraid to live.
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I had to go to Walgreens yesterday for a prescription. Some man walks into the store without a mask.
He’s about 50 feet in and is stopped by a cashier, who gives him a paper mask.
He says he will refuse to wear it, he needs a prescription.
Clerk says fine, use the drive through. Man leaves muttering under his breath stupid Nazi state. And then F you, Murphy.
Peeps really becoming unhinged let me tell you.
Paging Howard Beale, you’re ready again for your close up. I think we’re getting to our breaking point where we will roll down our windows and shout.
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New York update: hospital occupancy rates (the state's best proxy for infection rates) continue to follow the bell curve. 13 days before Easter matches 13 days after.
If this continues, the stay-home order will likely expire on time, as by then the rates would roughly be the same as March 11—the day the first actions (closing the college campuses) were taken—except by that point, there wouldn't be anywhere near as many hidden infections like there were floating about March 11.
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I had to go to Walgreens yesterday for a prescription. Some man walks into the store without a mask.
He’s about 50 feet in and is stopped by a cashier, who gives him a paper mask.
He says he will refuse to wear it, he needs a prescription.
Clerk says fine, use the drive through. Man leaves muttering under his breath stupid Nazi state. And then F you, Murphy.
Peeps really becoming unhinged let me tell you.
Paging Howard Beale, you’re ready again for your close up. I think we’re getting to our breaking point where we will roll down our windows and shout.
I am not quite not that militant, and all my ventures outside my property have been "in verhicle" grocery pick-up. I understand risk, and want to protect myself and others.
Still, I be damned if any government forces me wear a mask.
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New York update: hospital occupancy rates (the state's best proxy for infection rates) continue to follow the bell curve. 13 days before Easter matches 13 days after.
If this continues, the stay-home order will likely expire on time, as by then the rates would roughly be the same as March 11—the day the first actions (closing the college campuses) were taken—except by that point, there wouldn't be anywhere near as many hidden infections like there were floating about March 11.
To further elaborate...
Note the risk of infection. Let's assume that anyone who goes to the hospital goes at the first sign of symptoms, which isn't true but it gives the minimum lead time between infection and hospitalization. We know the average is 5½ days. So today's hospitalizations reflect infections from 5 to 6 days ago. Likewise, the counterpart on the other side of the bell curve reflects infection risk from 5½ days before that.
So, consider the apex was April 12, Easter. We are, now, 14 days past that day. 14 days before that was March 29. Factor in the infection delay twice, and you get 11 days before that or March 18.
Now, let's consider the expiration of the stay-home order, May 15. That's 33 days after April 12. 33 days before that was March 10. 11 days before that was... February 28, a full two weeks before most of the state outside New Rochelle was paying attention to this. And unlike then, when testing was painfully slow, we now have testing quick enough to know within a day whether or not someone is infected.
It's a simplistic way of looking at it, but if I'm Cuomo, I see no reason to extend the stay-home order beyond its current expiration date, especially if this is going to be a phased re-opening.
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It's a simplistic way of looking at it, but if I'm Cuomo,
@jmyrlefuller
....,you care nothing for reality,and everything for political advantage.
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@mrpotatohead
Seems like most people are so afraid of dying they are afraid to live.
"You cannot hide from danger. Death floats on the air, creeps through the window, comes with the handshake of a stranger. If we stop living because we fear death, then we have already died."
Margaret Weis, The Soulforge
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04-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.638 ↑ | 2.823 ↓ |
| United States | 2.144 ↓ | 8.311 ↑ |
| China | 16.709 - | 1.070 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 386,106
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.2 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Sharp drop in new cases, but most likely due to it being Sunday. Global (exclude US & China) 14-day recovery rate is 56.3%, which is almost 3 times US rate. Recoveries continue to go uncounted in US.
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04-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.638 ↑ | 2.823 ↓ |
| United States | 2.144 ↓ | 8.311 ↑ |
| China | 16.709 - | 1.070 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 386,106
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.2 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Sharp drop in new cases, but most likely due to it being Sunday. Global (exclude US & China) 14-day recovery rate is 56.3%, which is almost 3 times US rate. Recoveries continue to go uncounted in US.
Yes, recoveries continue to go uncounted. The method of 'reporting' has changed 3x in the past 5 weeks from the FL Dept. of Health. Hospitalizations used to be counted, now that number is just an asterisk. No recoveries reported. Glitches in the system raised the previous numbers. Data will not only be reported once a day now, instead of twice a day.
Accuracy?? What's there to doubt? /s
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"You cannot hide from danger. Death floats on the air, creeps through the window, comes with the handshake of a stranger. If we stop living because we fear death, then we have already died."
Margaret Weis, The Soulforge
"LEEEEEROY JEEENKIIIIINS!!!!"
-Leeroy Jenkins World of Warcraft.
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American passengers aboard the Diamond Princess, in quarantine since Feb 5, were evacuated from the ship 69 days ago. Of the 46 Americans who contracted SARS-2, all 46 are still listed as active cases. Not a single one recovered. Over two months have gone by, yet someone want us to believe every single one of them is still locked away in quarantine somewhere fighting off this disease? Yeah, right.
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More than a month ago Gov Abbott said that all of the Diamond Princess passengers that were quarantined at Lackland AFB in San Antonio had recovered and gone home.
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More than a month ago Gov Abbott said that all of the Diamond Princess passengers that were quarantined at Lackland AFB in San Antonio had recovered and gone home.
According to this (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/), they are still listed as 'active'.
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I don't doubt what you are saying at all. It's so much easier to keep track of confirmed positives and deaths. For a time I had a spreadsheet that, among other things, tracked the % recovered based on the Johns Hopkins dashboard. They had a disclaimer saying that their reported numbers of recovered were based on media reports and therefore their recoveries were significantly less than the actual number. Because of that I stopped tracking % recovered, knowing how inaccurate and therefore useless the result was. Johns Hopkins finally stopped reporting that number as well. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, it's simply that recoveries are extremely difficult to track, especially since new cases and deaths are significantly more important when trying to determine if we've got a handle on this.
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I don't doubt what you are saying at all. It's so much easier to keep track of confirmed positives and deaths. For a time I had a spreadsheet that, among other things, tracked the % recovered based on the Johns Hopkins dashboard. They had a disclaimer saying that their reported numbers of recovered were based on media reports and therefore their recoveries were significantly less than the actual number. Because of that I stopped tracking % recovered, knowing how inaccurate and therefore useless the result was. Johns Hopkins finally stopped reporting that number as well. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, it's simply that recoveries are extremely difficult to track, especially since new cases and deaths are significantly more important when trying to determine if we've got a handle on this.
Positive tests-sick people-dead people=recovered.
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I don't doubt what you are saying at all. It's so much easier to keep track of confirmed positives and deaths. For a time I had a spreadsheet that, among other things, tracked the % recovered based on the Johns Hopkins dashboard. They had a disclaimer saying that their reported numbers of recovered were based on media reports and therefore their recoveries were significantly less than the actual number. Because of that I stopped tracking % recovered, knowing how inaccurate and therefore useless the result was. Johns Hopkins finally stopped reporting that number as well. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, it's simply that recoveries are extremely difficult to track, especially since new cases and deaths are significantly more important when trying to determine if we've got a handle on this.
I'd argue the case totals are even less accurate than the recovery numbers, because the authorities have admittedly missed a lot of cases (something that antibody testing has more or less confirmed).
I live in a county that does track recoveries; the county requires two negative tests after a positive to confirm recovery. As a smaller, rural county, they have capacity to do that. When you have that capacity you can get a general gist of the path (whether more are recovering than getting sick). In more populous areas, that's not so easy, and that's why the state of New York, for instance, uses COVID-like hospitalizations as a proxy. You look at New York's case totals and, in general, they follow how many tests are being given each day.
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Chalk up another defeat for the "stay inside" crowd.
New research says air conditioning can spread COVID-19
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-research-says-air-conditioning-can-spread-covid-19-but-it-s-more-complicated-than-that/ar-BB13h28W (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-research-says-air-conditioning-can-spread-covid-19-but-it-s-more-complicated-than-that/ar-BB13h28W)
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Chalk up another defeat for the "stay inside" crowd.
New research says air conditioning can spread COVID-19
Ya think? Dry air. Cool temperature. What's there for a virus not to like?
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Ya think? Dry air. Cool temperature. What's there for a virus not to like?
With the added benefit if ensuring all the saliva-droplet laden air moves all around to every nook and cranny.
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Chalk up another defeat for the "stay inside" crowd.
New research says air conditioning can spread COVID-19
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-research-says-air-conditioning-can-spread-covid-19-but-it-s-more-complicated-than-that/ar-BB13h28W (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-research-says-air-conditioning-can-spread-covid-19-but-it-s-more-complicated-than-that/ar-BB13h28W)
No sh1t?
*****rollingeyes*****
Air can spread COVID-19.
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Chalk up another defeat for the "stay inside" crowd.
New research says air conditioning can spread COVID-19
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-research-says-air-conditioning-can-spread-covid-19-but-it-s-more-complicated-than-that/ar-BB13h28W (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-research-says-air-conditioning-can-spread-covid-19-but-it-s-more-complicated-than-that/ar-BB13h28W)
Gee..... that means that stores, restaurants, hotels, hospitals, and every other building is dangerous to be in during warm weather.
So what exactly does this ‘shocking’ news have to do with staying at home?? *****rollingeyes*****
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Air can spread COVID-19.
Hot humid air saturated with UV rays from the sun cannot.
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Gee..... that means that stores, restaurants, hotels, hospitals, and every other building is dangerous to be in during warm weather.
So what exactly does this ‘shocking’ news have to do with staying at home?? *****rollingeyes*****
Without AC in SE Texas????????
They'll have to take my thermostat from my cold dead hands!!!!!!!!!!!
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Without AC in SE Texas????????
They'll have to take my thermostat from my cold dead hands!!!!!!!!!!!
Of COURSE you can have safe AC in your own home!
The only danger will be in stores and public buildings, which was my point.
This is not 'bad news' for staying at home, but a caution for opening things up.
But they'll open up because it's what every sane person wants to do.
btw, you could always move to Ohio. We have a temperate climate here and won't need AC for quite a while. :patriot:
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Without AC in SE Texas????????
They'll have to take my thermostat from my cold dead hands!!!!!!!!!!!
Does it ever make you wonder how your grandaddy did?
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Like all his predecessors, except Reagan, just like that, Trump is gray. 333cleo
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Gee..... that means that stores, restaurants, hotels, hospitals, and every other building is dangerous to be in during warm weather.
So what exactly does this ‘shocking’ news have to do with staying at home?? *****rollingeyes*****
If you live in an apartment building—as a large proportion of people who live in major cities do—you're not any safer at home than you are outside. That's what it has to do with staying at home.
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If you live in an apartment building—as a large proportion of people who live in major cities do—you're not any safer at home than you are outside. That's what it has to do with staying at home.
TRUE. HVAC normally shares a common intake. And while zoning is usually per-apartment, nothing really impedes airflow.
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I have never lived in an air conditioned house.
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If you live in an apartment building—as a large proportion of people who live in major cities do—you're not any safer at home than you are outside. That's what it has to do with staying at home.
There has been no restriction on going outside here. If you live in a duplex or single family home it's still much safer to be at home than in a store or business. Even if you're in an apartment with individual units, you're safer there.
But going outside is probably as important as anything to maintaining mental health, regardless of 'safety.' I've been out for walks pretty much every day, and that's been encouraged by everyone I know. As the weather here has gotten warmer, we've been doing a lot of yard work as well. Also encouraged.
But at any rate, my point remains. The AC information has very little relevance to whether or not it's been wise to stay at home.
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I have never lived in an air conditioned house.
Our AC hasn't been run since last September.
And if it gets hot any time soon, the windows will be opened and the fans will bring the fresh air through the house.
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I have never lived in an air conditioned house.
Me neither... But then I suppose there are folks down south who have never been in a heated house :whistle: :shrug:
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S'alright, y'all...
More for me... :beer: :seeya:
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There has been no restriction on going outside here. If you live in a duplex or single family home it's still much safer to be at home than in a store or business. Even if you're in an apartment with individual units, you're safer there.
But going outside is probably as important as anything to maintaining mental health, regardless of 'safety.' I've been out for walks pretty much every day, and that's been encouraged by everyone I know. As the weather here has gotten warmer, we've been doing a lot of yard work as well. Also encouraged.
But at any rate, my point remains. The AC information has very little relevance to whether or not it's been wise to stay at home.
There is a certain contingent of harpies out there that seems to insist we must remain holed up in our domiciles until it is "safe," that any step outside sheltered walls is a risk. I post this to dispel that myth.
It is more important to stay away from other people than it is to stay in one place for months on end, which will do more harm than good.
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Kudos to POTUS. Nice job on today's Presser.
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There is a certain contingent of harpies out there that seems to insist we must remain holed up in our domiciles until it is "safe," that any step outside sheltered walls is a risk. I post this to dispel that myth.
It is more important to stay away from other people than it is to stay in one place for months on end, which will do more harm than good.
More importantly: Get back to work. Whatever the case.
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There is a certain contingent of harpies out there that seems to insist we must remain holed up in our domiciles until it is "safe," that any step outside sheltered walls is a risk. I post this to dispel that myth.
It is more important to stay away from other people than it is to stay in one place for months on end, which will do more harm than good.
All I’m encouraging is a bit of balance. I’m not sure who these ‘harpies’ are (that’s an unpleasant TOS flashback), but if I were you, I’d stop listening to any of them. They’re fools. And none of them hang around here.
Get out as much as you can. Go to a park if you don’t have a yard. Go to a store whenever you feel like it. Talk with neighbors and friends. But whatever you do, try to stay positive for the sake of your mental health.
I’ve seen a lot of negativity, hostility and mockery around here lately, and it’s not good for anyone.
This will be over soon, perhaps with a slightly new normal, but it WILL be over.
What we need to do is take care of ourselves until then.
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All I’m encouraging is a bit of balance. I’m not sure who these ‘harpies’ are (that’s an unpleasant TOS flashback), but if I were you, I’d stop listening to any of them. They’re fools. And none of them hang around here.
Get out as much as you can. Go to a park if you don’t have a yard. Go to a store whenever you feel like it. Talk with neighbors and friends. But whatever you do, try to stay positive for the sake of your mental health.
I’ve seen a lot of negativity, hostility and mockery around here lately, and it’s not good for anyone.
This will be over soon, perhaps with a slightly new normal, but it WILL be over.
What we need to do is take care of ourselves until then.
And to be clear, I wasn't pointing that comment at anyone on this board. There are a lot of trolls on the Internet, and between heightened tensions and everyone being online it seems, I see a lot more of them as of late.
The comment is more in reference to people who comment on local news sites' Facebook pages. I don't take them seriously, but it is nice to have a little evidence to refute them so that others don't blindly follow their lead.
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All I’m encouraging is a bit of balance. I’m not sure who these ‘harpies’ are (that’s an unpleasant TOS flashback), but if I were you, I’d stop listening to any of them. They’re fools. And none of them hang around here.
Get out as much as you can. Go to a park if you don’t have a yard. Go to a store whenever you feel like it. Talk with neighbors and friends. But whatever you do, try to stay positive for the sake of your mental health.
I’ve seen a lot of negativity, hostility and mockery around here lately, and it’s not good for anyone.
This will be over soon, perhaps with a slightly new normal, but it WILL be over.
What we need to do is take care of ourselves until then.
Parks? The only parks that they've opened around here are nature preserves -- well I was excited, except I got eaten alive by all the mosquitoes. Mosquito control I guess is shutdown. City council was supposed to "talk" about opening the actual parks around here, but haven't heard a word. One beach opened up in the county for residents only that live on the beach -- no sunbathing. Parks with playgrounds will continue to stay closed -- and only those who live in the neighborhood of certain parks are allowed to walk them -- parking lots at those parks will continue to be shutdown!
We have been prohibited from visiting families IF we don't live in the household. No more than a gathering of 10 -- but social distancing of 6 feet. People have been stopped in their vehicles and questioned as to where they are going and for what purpose.
So .... it's becoming ridiculous. Less than 1% of the population in this county has been infected and we remain tightly shut down.
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So .... it's becoming ridiculous. Less than 1% of the population in this county has been infected and we remain tightly shut down.
I posted this tweet on another thread but it seems appropriate here:Paul Sperry @paulsperry_
Did we murder the economy and throw a fifth of the labor force out of work to save less than 0.01% of the population?
1:12 PM · Apr 27, 2020
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More importantly: Get back to work. Whatever the case.
Yay!!!! You're back!!!! :laugh: :beer: :hands: :shotglass:
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Parks? The only parks that they've opened around here are nature preserves -- well I was excited, except I got eaten alive by all the mosquitoes. Mosquito control I guess is shutdown. City council was supposed to "talk" about opening the actual parks around here, but haven't heard a word. One beach opened up in the county for residents only that live on the beach -- no sunbathing. Parks with playgrounds will continue to stay closed -- and only those who live in the neighborhood of certain parks are allowed to walk them -- parking lots at those parks will continue to be shutdown!
So .... it's becoming ridiculous. Less than 1% of the population in this county has been infected and we remain tightly shut down.
I guess it depends on what state you live in. There's only one State Park that's been closed the whole time here, and that's one that has really narrow trails with cliffs. All the rest have been open with the only restriction being no congregating at pavilions and playground areas.
And things are going to start opening up this week, with businesses opening up on Monday and retail stores in another week. I guess that's maybe why I don't feel as discouraged as some of the rest of you. I think things are being handled well here with a balance of safety and restoring the economy.
We're definitely not "tightly shut down."
Maybe the rest of y'all should move. wink777
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I have never lived in an air conditioned house.
:tongue2:
Wise guy.... :beer: Mrs. Liberty never used hers in Laguna Niguel. My bother on Oahu doesn't even have a furnace, nor AC.
We're looking at our first 100 degree day here. We were just a few tenths of a degree from it yesterday, today's a bit cooler than yesterday....
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I posted this tweet on another thread but it seems appropriate here:
Has it occurred to this tweeting person that the reason that so few people have died may well be that we DID shut down when we did? :shrug:
With the red states opening up their economies (as they are), the blue states will most likely follow and the economy will recover. It hasn't been "killed."
And I'm glad that with over 3 million infected in the world that so few Americans have died.
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Ya think? Dry air. Cool temperature. What's there for a virus not to like?
Don't forget recirculation....and house wide distribution.
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I'm not sure what method hospitals use (or even if they do) but perhaps businesses should consider UV germicidal lights in their HVAC?
A coil sterilization UV light runs 24/7 and is the most common type of HVAC UV light. It is also the most reasonably priced. In Air Sterilization, a complete UV light unit is installed that sterilizes moving air. The UV light unit is installed in the return air duct and cycles on with the air handler blower.
UV light destroy microbes in air conditioners. The lights are installed in your ductwork or near the AC coil, and they destroy microbes like mold, bacteria, fungi, mildew, mold spores and viruses in the line-of-sight of the UV bulb. ... Maintenance is also easy: Just change the bulb when it burns out.
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Ya think? Dry air. Cool temperature. What's there for a virus not to like?
And, most of all, if there are no UV lights in return air ducts whatever gets picked up in one part of the building is soon spread throughout the entire building.
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Hot humid air saturated with UV rays from the sun cannot.
@Hoodat
Does this mean we all need to move to Loosieianna?
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It took a couple of weeks for the Stoners to realize the City had striped the hoops off the backboards on the courts at the end of the street. They walk around clueless with their basketballs and attitudes. Lock up the women and kids.
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Has it occurred to this tweeting person that the reason that so few people have died may well be that we DID shut down when we did? :shrug:
With the red states opening up their economies (as they are), the blue states will most likely follow and the economy will recover. It hasn't been "killed."
And I'm glad that with over 3 million infected in the world that so few Americans have died.
I wish I had enough faith in that.
I live near the NY-PA border. Tom Wolf said he was going to begin the process of reopening PA on May 8, but Cuomo—even though he said he was going to coordinate this with the neighboring states—isn't budging from May 15 and is also dropping hints he might even stretch that further in harder-hit regions (he also noted that construction and manufacturing are the only businesses he'll open on the first step and won't consider any others until May 29). Of course, I happen to live in a region that, despite a number of active cases I can count on my fingers, is tethered to Buffalo, which is still struggling to rein this virus in. (Unlike the state as a whole, there's been no appreciable decline in hospitalizations there.)
Part of it is that as a musician/entertainer of some repute around here who relies on performing as a substantial portion of my meager income, these lockdowns have been especially hard on me. I was very lucky that I ended up winning a prize in a talent competition just a few days before everything started getting canceled. But with the "attractive nuisances" prohibition Cuomo's proposing, I might not have any more chances for a long while other than in front of a webcam.
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Me neither... But then I suppose there are folks down south who have never been in a heated house :whistle: :shrug:
@roamer_1
That's where you are wrong. There are people in the south who have never been in a house that WASN'T heated.
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S'alright, y'all...
More for me... :beer: :seeya:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0O0nzkESTI#)
@roamer_1
Dear God,but those girls can SING!
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@roamer_1
Dear God,but those girls can SING!
That's right... But that ain't the point... If it gets hot enough for air conditioning, I am on the water, not in a danged ol house.
Be it a tube with a cooler tied on down a lazy river, kayaking or canoeing down white water (with a cooler attached somewhere), maybe a john boat fishin for bass back in the sloughs and pot holes (cooler... see the pattern?), on a pontoon as a card carrying member of the Redneck Yacht Club, or even sitting on a dock fishin for rainbow down on the Swan River... Air conditioning sure as hell ain't on my mind.
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@roamer_1
That's where you are wrong. There are people in the south who have never been in a house that WASN'T heated.
Well, yeah, but I mean with a furnace, not with the sun. :laugh:
Though I have heard of Texans turning on the heat when it hits sixty... :whistle:
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I have never lived in an air conditioned house.
I've lived in a climate-controlled house. Whatever the climate was outside, that's what the climate was inside.
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Well, yeah, but I mean with a furnace, not with the sun. :laugh:
Though I have heard of Texans turning on the heat when it hits sixty... :whistle:
I have seen it.
Then in the summertime, they turn the A/C to 55. :shrug:
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I have seen it.
Then in the summertime, they turn the A/C to 55. :shrug:
Go figger... :shrug:
:silly:
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Hurray!!! Finally!!!! They just announced that they are re-opening the parks!!! Playgrounds in the park will remain closed, but bicycle paths and walking trails will be open!!! I am doing a Happy Dance and can't wait to go to one of the parks tomorrow!!! The neighborhood beach and pools still remain closed. Kayaking/canoeing allowed too.
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Hurray!!! Finally!!!! They just announced that they are re-opening the parks!!! Playgrounds in the park will remain closed, but bicycle paths and walking trails will be open!!! I am doing a Happy Dance and can't wait to go to one of the parks tomorrow!!! The neighborhood beach and pools still remain closed. Kayaking/canoeing allowed too.
Ten miles in any direction and I am in one big ol park. They closed down the parking and pavilions and folks just laughed at em and went anyway...
Kinda like anywhere else that stayed open.
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Has it occurred to this tweeting person that the reason that so few people have died may well be that we DID shut down when we did? :shrug:
With the red states opening up their economies (as they are), the blue states will most likely follow and the economy will recover. It hasn't been "killed."
And I'm glad that with over 3 million infected in the world that so few Americans have died.
Great Point @musiclady
I believe President Trump has saved tens of thousands of lives by his actions and leadership, but because of my admitted TDS I don't think my opinion is acceptable to some hardcore Trumpers. Hopefully my gratitude for the American people following his advice isn't misconstrued as support for China somehow.
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04-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.701 ↑ | 2.792 ↓ |
| United States | 2.447 ↑ | 7.269 ↓ |
| China | 16.722 ↑ | 1.082 ↑ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 383,639
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.0 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.4 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US 14-day Recovery Deficit fell for the first time.
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I've lived in a climate-controlled house. Whatever the climate was outside, that's what the climate was inside.
In SoCal w/o AC it gets hot inland. Like inland from Pasadena to Phoenix.
As a kid in North OC, my Mom knew just how to do it. Keep windows open all night, but close them and retain the cool air in all day also keeping all drapes closed. Also fans indoors.
Finally do like the cats and dogs, namely stay stilll, dress lightly.
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Just finished watching the President's Press Conference. He was in control and measured. One of his best performances. He said a lot of stuff I wanted to hear. Pence was good too. I missed Dr Fauci.
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The freeing of America begins:
Roz al Ghul @PolitiKurd
Nashville hasn’t reopened yet but restaurants in other counties in TN were allowed to open today at 50% capacity
Dined out for dinner (in Franklin) with a couple friends for the first time in what feels like forever
Line to get in was out the door
#ReopenAmerica
10:17 PM · Apr 27, 2020·
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That's right... But that ain't the point...
@roamer_1
How old did you say you are?
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Well, yeah, but I mean with a furnace, not with the sun. :laugh:
Though I have heard of Texans turning on the heat when it hits sixty... :whistle:
@roamer_1
Yup,everything is "local".
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I've lived in a climate-controlled house. Whatever the climate was outside, that's what the climate was inside.
@Hoodat
The house I grew up in wasn't insulated,and built from wood that washed up on the beach after a storm. No sub-floor,just floor,with the planks all spaced with a small gap so they wouldn't swell. On top of this was a roll of linoleum.
The only heat in the house was a kerosene furnace sitting in the living room,and it was strictly radiant heat because my father was too cheap to run the fan. He was also too cheap to turn it up past the minimum setting that kept your breath from showing when talking. His POV was "If you are cold,put on more clothes or go to bed and wrap up in the quilts."
It wasn't unusual to wake up in the morning to get ready for school,and see the glass of water I left sitting on my dresser the night before frozen.
The floor so damn cold bare feet would cramp up when they touched it,and AFAIK,nobody had ever heard of "bedroom shoes". If you couldn't wear it outside,it didn't get bought.
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Hurray!!! Finally!!!! They just announced that they are re-opening the parks!!! Playgrounds in the park will remain closed, but bicycle paths and walking trails will be open!!! I am doing a Happy Dance and can't wait to go to one of the parks tomorrow!!! The neighborhood beach and pools still remain closed. Kayaking/canoeing allowed too.
@libertybele
That's awful white of them.
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Does it ever make you wonder how your grandaddy did?
I am old enough to remember not having AC at all. But with other things we get acclimated to certain creature comforts.
But, I am not a drunk, a druggie, or a wife beater. By By Gosh I am addcited to my HVAC between May and November, and lo to any varmit that would make my thermostat go above 74 degrees. That is why I have an upstairs AC and a downstairs unit. So anything outside a hurricane? I'll be fine.
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I wish I had enough faith in that.
I live near the NY-PA border. Tom Wolf said he was going to begin the process of reopening PA on May 8, but Cuomo—even though he said he was going to coordinate this with the neighboring states—isn't budging from May 15 and is also dropping hints he might even stretch that further in harder-hit regions (he also noted that construction and manufacturing are the only businesses he'll open on the first step and won't consider any others until May 29). Of course, I happen to live in a region that, despite a number of active cases I can count on my fingers, is tethered to Buffalo, which is still struggling to rein this virus in. (Unlike the state as a whole, there's been no appreciable decline in hospitalizations there.)
Part of it is that as a musician/entertainer of some repute around here who relies on performing as a substantial portion of my meager income, these lockdowns have been especially hard on me. I was very lucky that I ended up winning a prize in a talent competition just a few days before everything started getting canceled. But with the "attractive nuisances" prohibition Cuomo's proposing, I might not have any more chances for a long while other than in front of a webcam.
I certainly understand your pessimism based on where you live. I wouldn't have any confidence in New York's or PA's state leadership to do anything right....... their ineptness contributed to the mess they're in now., and they're not likely to be concerned about small businesses or people like you who depend on audiences. It's tough going for those who don't make a big fortune as an artist, but count on small gigs to keep afloat. My best to you....
(btw, BIG Congratulations on your winning a talent competition! What do you do?)
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Hurray!!! Finally!!!! They just announced that they are re-opening the parks!!! Playgrounds in the park will remain closed, but bicycle paths and walking trails will be open!!! I am doing a Happy Dance and can't wait to go to one of the parks tomorrow!!! The neighborhood beach and pools still remain closed. Kayaking/canoeing allowed too.
GREAT! I really think that once a few states open up, the others are going to feel the pressure to do the same.
Have fun!
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Great Point @musiclady
I believe President Trump has saved tens of thousands of lives by his actions and leadership, but because of my admitted TDS I don't think my opinion is acceptable to some hardcore Trumpers. Hopefully my gratitude for the American people following his advice isn't misconstrued as support for China somehow.
I'm not sure why he's done it, based on his personality "issues," but he seems to be listening to wise counsel and striking the right balance between protection and freedom......... both of which are in his job description (which I'm still sure he hasn't read).
Now if he'd measure his words and keep quiet most of the time, he might just win reelection......
Though I'm pretty sure doing that is beyond him. :shrug:
@Once-Ler
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GREAT! I really think that once a few states open up, the others are going to feel the pressure to do the same.
Have fun!
@musiclady
I think you are mostly right about that. Once a couple of states stay "open" for two weeks and the infection level stays stable or continues to decline,it's going to be hard for any non-Dim state to stay shut down.
Dim states,or course,are going to continue to stay shut down and cause as much "pain" as possible for as long as they can get by with blaming it on Trump.
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@musiclady
I think you are mostly right about that. Once a couple of states stay "open" for two weeks and the infection level stays stable or continues to decline,it's going to be hard for any non-Dim state to stay shut down.
Dim states,or course,are going to continue to stay shut down and cause as much "pain" as possible for as long as they can get by with blaming it on Trump.
Exactly right.
And that's why Dim states like NY and MI are in such a mess now. They were so anxious to accuse Trump that they put their states in danger. And now they're blaming Trump for their own idiocy.
Maybe enough people in their states will see what the stupidity has cost them and get rid of them? (Wishful thinking....... )
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I certainly understand your pessimism based on where you live. I wouldn't have any confidence in New York's or PA's state leadership to do anything right....... their ineptness contributed to the mess they're in now., and they're not likely to be concerned about small businesses or people like you who depend on audiences. It's tough going for those who don't make a big fortune as an artist, but count on small gigs to keep afloat. My best to you....
(btw, BIG Congratulations on your winning a talent competition! What do you do?)
I'll mention it in the Members Lounge. Gimme a second.
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I'll mention it in the Members Lounge. Gimme a second.
Will do!
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Maybe enough people in their states will see what the stupidity has cost them and get rid of them? (Wishful thinking....... )
@musiclady
Sad,but true. Those people have never done any original thinking in the past,so why would they start now?
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@musiclady
Sad,but true. Those people have never done any original thinking in the past,so why would they start now?
No reason that I can think of. Michigan will stay blue even though they have a tyrannical nincompoop as Governor.
Of course, if you could excise Detroit, they'd have a fighting chance. There are lots of good people up there.
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President Trump is doing a live press conference with Gov Desantis and Dr Brix now. Smart to preempt Gov. Cuomo's confrence, prop up Trump and Desantis poll numbers in FL, and build confidence with the people of FL.
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President Trump is doing a live press conference with Gov Desantis and Dr Brix now. Smart to preempt Gov. Cuomo's confrence, prop up Trump and Desantis poll numbers in FL, and build confidence with the people of FL.
Disagree. What is needed in FL is an IMMEDIATE remedy to the vast majority of people who have filed for unemployment and who either can't get through because of the antiquated system or who were denied and who should qualify under the CARES Act. The system was shutdown for several days, because supposedly they needed the time to send the checks out! B.S. Millions have been out of work because of the business mandate to shutdown since March. No unemployment checks in site. No extended unemployment relief. DeSantis isn't going to score any points sitting up in Capitol Hill with Trump boasting how well FL is doing when we aren't.
Trump needs FL to win -- that's not going to happen unless people start getting some immediate relief. DeSantis declared a state of emergency - where is the emergency relief $$ ?? He could have easily directed FEMA to set up location sites (like was done after IRMA) and handed out food cards --- anything to help. Nothing.
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What is needed in FL is an IMMEDIATE remedy to the vast majority of people who have filed for unemployment and who either can't get through because of the antiquated system or who were denied and who should qualify under the CARES Act.
Every state in my region has an unemployment website that doesn't work. All we hear about on the news is people trying for weeks to make a claim online, without success.
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Saw this browsing around at a "Whats on Politics site", and thought it may be of interest. Here are the largest American interests owned or majority share by China.
1. General Electric (GE)
2. AMC Theatres-
3. Smithfield Foods- The largest pork producer
4. Legendary Entertainment Group
5. The Waldorf-Astoria
6. Strategic Hotels and Resorts
7. Riot Games
8. Sheraton Universal Hotel, Marriott Downtown Los Angeles
9. Ingram Micro
10. Motorola Mobility
11. Terex Corp
12. Teledyne Continental Motors and Mattituck Services
China also has a huge stake in the following American companies:
Morgan Stanley, VISA, Blackstone, Ford, Chesapeake Energy, and in famous American social news aggregation site Reddit.
No better way to show our Chicom enemies what we think of Wuhan flu, than hit them in their pocketbooks.
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Every state in my region has an unemployment website that doesn't work. All we hear about on the news is people trying for weeks to make a claim online, without success.
Here are a few numbers to refute that complaint........ (from Lt. Gov. Jon Hustad in today's presser).....
In Ohio, since March 15 -
-459,375 people have been paid
-$1,346,291,403.77 has been paid out (that's Billion)
-1,657 employees are taking calls
-54,000 calls were successfully dealt with yesterday
-The average wait time per call was 23 minutes
-They are continuing to build capacity
-Anyone who does not get through will be back paid
We are a neighboring state whose data does not back up the complaint that websites don't work and there is no success.
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I'm not sure why he's done it, based on his personality "issues," but he seems to be listening to wise counsel and striking the right balance between protection and freedom......... both of which are in his job description (which I'm still sure he hasn't read).
Now if he'd measure his words and keep quiet most of the time, he might just win reelection......
Though I'm pretty sure doing that is beyond him. :shrug:
@Once-Ler
President Trump thought a robust economy was going to be his legacy, but quickly recognized that his response to COVID-19 will be what he is remembered for. He's struggling with his own nature, and that's hard. He's got a legitimate gripe against the media, but that chip on his shoulder is preventing him from recognizing his own mistakes as real, instead of fake news. I see him trying hard to limit that distraction. I think he is trying very hard to think beyond what benefited his re-election 3 months ago, and recognize that happy people when you're the incumbent will win re-election easier than both sides pissing on the other and hoping his base is stronger.
At last nights press conference my President, off the cuff in answering a question, said he built the strongest economy in history. he said it atleast a few times, but he also caught himself and said it was the American people, and then he said something very interesting. He said "and I shut it down." He didn't say he was forced to do it. He didn't say he was mislead to shut it down. He didn't say COVID-19 shut it down. He didn't say Gov Whitmer shut it down. No equivocation he took action.
It still hurts my TDS to say it but I think he made the right choice, because a month ago he, and the media, told me 200k American deaths might be the best we could hope for according to the experts he consulted. If we escape this with less than 100k deaths I will credit him with saving 100k American lives.
Another thing he mentioned in response to a question was his fast response in banning travel from China. He's said it before, but he touched on all the pertinent points last night.
The media and rats called him racist for it. You can't prevent 40,000 Americans from wanting to return. Conflicting information from China, WHO, and CDC. I was very vocal in late Feb and early March that the President was dragging his feet on COVID-19. Knowing what I know today, I'm not sure anyone, especially Hillary would have moved faster. I'm not saying I'm voting for him in Nov, I'm not saying he's fit to be President, but in this crisis I see the best President Trump.
We all fall short. As long as my President is willing to say the priority is lives first, economy second, and stand in front of a camera to reassure a panicked nation, I'll continue to ignore the stuff that falls under the third, through 1,000 priorities that don't matter much.
Thanks for your response @musiclady It made me want to write something I hope you and other will find worth the time reading.
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Disagree. What is needed in FL is an IMMEDIATE remedy to the vast majority of people who have filed for unemployment and who either can't get through because of the antiquated system or who were denied and who should qualify under the CARES Act. The system was shutdown for several days, because supposedly they needed the time to send the checks out! B.S. Millions have been out of work because of the business mandate to shutdown since March. No unemployment checks in site. No extended unemployment relief. DeSantis isn't going to score any points sitting up in Capitol Hill with Trump boasting how well FL is doing when we aren't.
Trump needs FL to win -- that's not going to happen unless people start getting some immediate relief. DeSantis declared a state of emergency - where is the emergency relief $$ ?? He could have easily directed FEMA to set up location sites (like was done after IRMA) and handed out food cards --- anything to help. Nothing.
I'm sorry that is happening to you @libertybele I got my check from from the Trump stash and assumed others were doing OK. Being ignored with no place to turn is a slap in the face. I hope your Governor figures something out for you soon, and I feel like a skunk for joking about my Trump check. ****slapping
I'm pretty sure President Trump wants to win FL in NOV. Keep being the squeeky wheel.
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I agree with that @Once-Ler I know I rag him alot here but it's just me trying to get under the skin of some of his most Loyal and vocal supporters here that I disagree with and the smart ones know it.
He's got my vote in Texas, if he needs it, otherwise I'll sit it out, as I did also in 2012.
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President Trump thought a robust economy was going to be his legacy, but quickly recognized that his response to COVID-19 will be what he is remembered for. He's struggling with his own nature, and that's hard. He's got a legitimate gripe against the media, but that chip on his shoulder is preventing him from recognizing his own mistakes as real, instead of fake news. I see him trying hard to limit that distraction. I think he is trying very hard to think beyond what benefited his re-election 3 months ago, and recognize that happy people when you're the incumbent will win re-election easier than both sides pissing on the other and hoping his base is stronger.
At last nights press conference my President, off the cuff in answering a question, said he built the strongest economy in history. he said it atleast a few times, but he also caught himself and said it was the American people, and then he said something very interesting. He said "and I shut it down." He didn't say he was forced to do it. He didn't say he was mislead to shut it down. He didn't say COVID-19 shut it down. He didn't say Gov Whitmer shut it down. No equivocation he took action.
It still hurts my TDS to say it but I think he made the right choice, because a month ago he, and the media, told me 200k American deaths might be the best we could hope for according to the experts he consulted. If we escape this with less than 100k deaths I will credit him with saving 100k American lives.
Another thing he mentioned in response to a question was his fast response in banning travel from China. He's said it before, but he touched on all the pertinent points last night.
The media and rats called him racist for it. You can't prevent 40,000 Americans from wanting to return. Conflicting information from China, WHO, and CDC. I was very vocal in late Feb and early March that the President was dragging his feet on COVID-19. Knowing what I know today, I'm not sure anyone, especially Hillary would have moved faster. I'm not saying I'm voting for him in Nov, I'm not saying he's fit to be President, but in this crisis I see the best President Trump.
We all fall short. As long as my President is willing to say the priority is lives first, economy second, and stand in front of a camera to reassure a panicked nation, I'll continue to ignore the stuff that falls under the third, through 1,000 priorities that don't matter much.
Thanks for your response @musiclady It made me want to write something I hope you and other will find worth the time reading.
Wait.
I thought he was going to be remembered for being impeached. COllusion an' all 'dat.
We will see. History is a retrospective and dependent on who actually writes it.
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catfish wrote:
"Here are the largest American interests owned or majority share by China.
1. General Electric (GE)"
A correction:
GE sold off their appliance division (only) to the Chinese.
The rest of GE (perhaps the lion's share) remains under non-Chinese (American?) ownership...
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US cases surpassed a million today....
1,004,908
A sad day.
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President Trump thought a robust economy was going to be his legacy, but quickly recognized that his response to COVID-19 will be what he is remembered for. He's struggling with his own nature, and that's hard. He's got a legitimate gripe against the media, but that chip on his shoulder is preventing him from recognizing his own mistakes as real, instead of fake news. I see him trying hard to limit that distraction. I think he is trying very hard to think beyond what benefited his re-election 3 months ago, and recognize that happy people when you're the incumbent will win re-election easier than both sides pissing on the other and hoping his base is stronger.
At last nights press conference my President, off the cuff in answering a question, said he built the strongest economy in history. he said it atleast a few times, but he also caught himself and said it was the American people, and then he said something very interesting. He said "and I shut it down." He didn't say he was forced to do it. He didn't say he was mislead to shut it down. He didn't say COVID-19 shut it down. He didn't say Gov Whitmer shut it down. No equivocation he took action.
It still hurts my TDS to say it but I think he made the right choice, because a month ago he, and the media, told me 200k American deaths might be the best we could hope for according to the experts he consulted. If we escape this with less than 100k deaths I will credit him with saving 100k American lives.
Another thing he mentioned in response to a question was his fast response in banning travel from China. He's said it before, but he touched on all the pertinent points last night.
The media and rats called him racist for it. You can't prevent 40,000 Americans from wanting to return. Conflicting information from China, WHO, and CDC. I was very vocal in late Feb and early March that the President was dragging his feet on COVID-19. Knowing what I know today, I'm not sure anyone, especially Hillary would have moved faster. I'm not saying I'm voting for him in Nov, I'm not saying he's fit to be President, but in this crisis I see the best President Trump.
We all fall short. As long as my President is willing to say the priority is lives first, economy second, and stand in front of a camera to reassure a panicked nation, I'll continue to ignore the stuff that falls under the third, through 1,000 priorities that don't matter much.
Thanks for your response @musiclady It made me want to write something I hope you and other will find worth the time reading.
Definitely worth reading.
The bolded part of your quote is where I am. I didn't vote for him in the Ohio primary today, but he got 100% of the votes without me. I haven't decided about November. He still has no character, and no principles, so I can't see anything changing in terms of my supporting him, but I truly don't know.
This could be his finest hour if he could control his enormous ego and his mouth. When he does that, though not often enough, he actually looks like a President.
I think, no matter what happens, he will have saved lives, and even if he only has one term, that would be a fine legacy.
@Once-Ler
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Just imagine the Press in the US rooting for Tojo and Hitler during WWII.
That is about where we are today with this virus.
In the face of that, he's doing pretty good--in spite of them.
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04-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.766 ↑ | 2.751 ↓ |
| United States | 2.400 ↓ | 7.282 ↑ |
| China | 16.740 ↑ | 1.068 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 403,850
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 23.5 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.3 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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catfish wrote:
"Here are the largest American interests owned or majority share by China.
1. General Electric (GE)"
A correction:
GE sold off their appliance division (only) to the Chinese.
The rest of GE (perhaps the lion's share) remains under non-Chinese (American?) ownership...
@Fishrrman
Still,they need to be financially slapped upside their heads for selling ANYTHING to the freaking Chinese.
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@Fishrrman
Still,they need to be financially slapped upside their heads for selling ANYTHING to the freaking Chinese.
If that included Whirlpool, they can have it. We had a Whirlpool Duet washer and dryer and should have spent our money on rebuilding old top loader washers and fixing up dryers with noncomputerized timers. We'd have had laundry machines for life for less.
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Airborne Coronavirus Detected in Wuhan Hospitals (but only in areas that are not well-ventilated)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/airborne-coronavirus-detected-in-wuhan-hospitals/ar-BB13kV91?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/airborne-coronavirus-detected-in-wuhan-hospitals/ar-BB13kV91?ocid=spartandhp)
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Airborne Coronavirus Detected in Wuhan Hospitals (but only in areas that are not well-ventilated)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/airborne-coronavirus-detected-in-wuhan-hospitals/ar-BB13kV91?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/airborne-coronavirus-detected-in-wuhan-hospitals/ar-BB13kV91?ocid=spartandhp)
In droplets...
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COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/covid-19-turning-out-to-be-huge-hoax-perpetrated-b/)
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COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/covid-19-turning-out-to-be-huge-hoax-perpetrated-b/)
(https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200427_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughApril26.jpg)
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(https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200427_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughApril26.jpg)
Yes, Hospitals Get Paid More For Coronavirus-Coded Patients, Even If They Haven’t Been Tested (https://www.dailywire.com/news/yes-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-coronavirus-coded-patients-even-if-they-havent-been-tested)
Snip:
“Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000,†Jensen said on the Fox program. “If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.â€
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A "hoax" doesn't kill 80 Veterans in one elder care facility (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,400118.msg2200546.html#msg2200546)
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A "hoax" doesn't kill 80 Veterans in one elder care facility (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,400118.msg2200546.html#msg2200546)
Stop being so gullible, Bigun.
There is plenty of gullibility going around but I'm definitely NOT in that group!
Or, If you prefer, "Physician, heal thyself!"
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A "hoax" doesn't kill 80 Veterans in one elder care facility
(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,400118.msg2200546.html#msg2200546)
No, but criminal negligence does.
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No, but criminal negligence does.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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No, but criminal negligence does.
@Hoodat
And it is OFTEN on display at nursing homes. Don't believe me,just ask anyone who has had a relative sent to "live" in one.
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No, but criminal negligence does.
PRECISELY!
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(https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200427_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughApril26.jpg)
Welcome back! We missed you!
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No, but criminal negligence does.
Agree.
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Welcome back! We missed you!
I ditto that. Good to see you @thackney
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I missed him, too, @thackney
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https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm (https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm)
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Get your 50K commemorative coin before they run out or you do.
And watch for the 75K commemorative coin coming in just a few more weeks.
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One of the lines in the graph below is different from any other there.
Can you tell which one it is?
(https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200427_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughApril26.jpg)
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https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm (https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm)
Get your 50K commemorative coin before they run out or you do.
And watch for the 75K commemorative coin coming in just a few more weeks.
One in a long series of challenge coins and commemoratives offered by the White House Gift Shop.
It's a long scroll down, but it is listed here: https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/President-Military-Coins-s/2192.htm (https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/President-Military-Coins-s/2192.htm)
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One in a long series of challenge coins and commemoratives offered by the White House Gift Shop.
It's a long scroll down, but it is listed here: https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/President-Military-Coins-s/2192.htm (https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/President-Military-Coins-s/2192.htm)
I can't get through now. The interwebs are disconnected.
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I couldn't get through either must be all the Trumpers buying that stuff. :shrug:
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I couldn't get through either must be all the Trumpers buying that stuff. :shrug:
LA is looking for the section with the autographed "knee pads"
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I can't get through now. The interwebs are disconnected.
Are you logged in?
Seriously, it is a big page, slow load.
Just loaded for me in roughly a minute, but I have fiber. roughly 120 items on the page, and the COVID coin is near the bottom.
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Are you logged in?
Seriously, it is a big page, slow load.
Just loaded for me in roughly a minute, but I have fiber. roughly 120 items on the page, and the COVID coin is near the bottom.
I'm pretty sure. AOL did the phone dingy noise and then said I had mail. I can reach alamo-girl's Clinton Body count and the Hampster Dance.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpMlwVwydo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpMlwVwydo#)
I shouldn't have run out of hours. I have dozens of 3.5 floppies left.
I'll try Prodigy.
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Oh Dude, that's terrible and Premium P0rnhub is free right now, what a bummer.
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I'm pretty sure. AOL did the phone dingy noise and then said I had mail. I can reach alamo-girl's Clinton Body count and the Hampster Dance.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpMlwVwydo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpMlwVwydo#)
I shouldn't have run out of hours. I have dozens of 3.5 floppies left.
I'll try Prodigy.
LOL! Maybe you ran past the end...http://hmpg.net/ (http://hmpg.net/)
Click on the link and keep heading the same direction you did to get there and you should get back on.
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04-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.792 ↑ | 2.672 ↓ |
| United States | 2.391 ↓ | 7.219 ↓ |
| China | 16.745 ↑ | 1.068 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 432,330
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 23.0 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.0 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Pretty sure a good sure kick to the head would at least make you STFU about @alamogirl. Se doesn't deserve your snark.
Damned sure a swift kick to your head would only feel like a swift kick to your head.
Change it. STFU and change it.
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Pretty sure a good sure kick to the head would at least make you STFU about @alamogirl. Se doesn't deserve your snark.
Damned sure a swift kick to your head would only feel like a swift kick to your head.
Change it. STFU and change it.
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/5414660_8716bf615a.jpg)
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(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/5414660_8716bf615a.jpg)
I have read many commentaries, dissertations, lectures, interpretations, and created my own versions, thereof.
You have committed a disservice to yourself. Just sayin'. Maybe you think I deserve that? Does your intelligence combined with the wit of your with twit make the wit worth whit?
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Pretty sure a good sure kick to the head would at least make you STFU about @alamogirl. Se doesn't deserve your snark.
Damned sure a swift kick to your head would only feel like a swift kick to your head.
Change it. STFU and change it.
Not to change the subject, but there's a name I haven't seen in a while.
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Pretty sure a good sure kick to the head would at least make you STFU about @alamogirl. Se doesn't deserve your snark.
Damned sure a swift kick to your head would only feel like a swift kick to your head.
Change it. STFU and change it.
Dude, not trying to muddy the waters, but there are a number of us here who have pretty low opinion of Free Republic. I'll never return to that cesspool.
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Dude, not trying to muddy the waters, but there are a number of us here who have pretty low opinion of Free Republic. I'll never return to that cesspool.
I'm one of those and have no intention to ever click on that site again but that has not affected how I feel about many of the old-time posters there Alamo-Girl definitely included. She is a FINE lady.
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Let's get back on topic, folks.
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Dude, not trying to muddy the waters, but there are a number of us here who have pretty low opinion of Free Republic. I'll never return to that cesspool.
It's pretty irrelevant now. I'd be surprised if it's in the top 20 conservative websites on the internet. In 2005, sure it was relevant, maybe the biggest on the internet. That was then, this is now. It's not even worth mocking anymore IMO.
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It's pretty irrelevant now. I'd be surprised if it's in the top 20 conservative websites on the internet. In 2005, sure it was relevant, maybe the biggest on the internet. That was then, this is now. It's not even worth mocking anymore IMO.
I do look over there for news stories. I rarely read the comments. I still find it amazing how the thons are such a farce.
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For $88K a quarter in donations I'd expect GWB, himself, or perhaps a p0rn star to post there, more often.
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I do look over there for news stories. I rarely read the comments. I still find it amazing how the thons are such a farce.
@mrpotatohead
Same here,but when I do read the comments to get an understanding of the current Cult-Think,I am genuinely surprised to see so many screen names that I remember from the last 90's.
True,some of those people only post on specific threads that have nothing to do with current politics,but it is still surprising.
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For $88K a quarter in donations I'd expect GWB, himself, or perhaps a p0rn star to post there, more often.
You'd think a 1/3 of a million dollars a year should be able to buy and maintain some semblence of a decent forum.
Close Circuit feed of the FR Server Room?..... :cool:
(https://tech-recyclers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Room-full-of-waste-Electronics-Recycling-Indianapolis-Computers.jpg)
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That front load washer is used to Laundry the Money, right? @catfish1957
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That front load washer is used to Laundry the Money, right? @catfish1957
I wouldn't say that. But I do liken it to spending a million dollars to keeping a 1966 Rambler going.
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Not to change the subject, but there's a name I haven't seen in a while.
Hadn't thought about her in a few years now.
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Studies show no evidence of kids under 10 passing coronavirus to adults
By Laura Italiano
April 30, 2020 | 12:52 pmNo child under age 10 is known to have transmitted the coronavirus to an adult, a review of several studies has found.
Experts can’t find a single case in which a young kid passed the virus on to a grownup, according to the review led by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and reported in the Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/no-case-child-passing-coronavirus-adult-exists-evidence-review/) Thursday.
Kids are also far less likely to become infected, the research found. ...
New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/no-evidence-of-kids-passing-coronavirus-to-adults-studies-show/)
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Death by medical malpractice - sounds like another Covid-19 death to me!
Coronavirus patient dead after medical residents set ventilator too high
By Natalie O'Neill
April 30, 2020 | 12:53pm
A New York coronavirus patient died after inexperienced medical residents rushed to the frontline of the pandemic set her ventilator too high, according to a report.
The patient, who was in her 60s, was being cared for on an overnight shift at Montefiore Hospital in the Bronx last month by family-medicine residents, who were not properly trained in how to use the respiratory support machine, according to the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/young-doctors-struggle-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-we-are-horrified-and-scared-11588171553). ...
So when the patient’s illness worsened dramatically overnight and the residents hooked her up to a ventilator, they accidentally turned the device up too high — stopping her heart, according to the paper.
When a critical-care physician rushed to the room, the doctors-in-training admitted that they didn’t know how to properly work the settings of the ventilator. ...
More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-patient-dead-after-medical-residents-set-ventilator-too-high/)
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Colorado’s Health Department Reclassifies Nursing Home Deaths As Coronavirus
By Brian Maass
April 30, 2020 at 9:47 am
CENTENNIAL, Colo. (CBS4)– The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment has reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as COVID-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus, according to a CBS4 Investigation.
The deaths occurred at Someren Glen, a senior living community with about 200 residents who receive various levels of care. ... CBS Denver (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-nursing-home-deaths-colorado-public-health/)
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Well, if this doesn't just break your heart ... *****rollingeyes*****
Coronavirus forcing hospitals to delay gender-change surgeries
By Carl Campanile
April 30, 2020 | 12:08pm |
The coronavirus pandemic has forced hospitals to shelve hundreds of “life-altering†gender-change surgeries in order to devote resources to battle the killer bug.
The Mount Sinai Hospital’s Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery performs about 600 gender assignment surgeries per year, its executive director, Dr. Joshua Safer, told The Post.
Under a state order last month, elective surgeries were suspended at New York hospitals as the pandemic started hitting New York with a vengeance.
At Mount Sinai alone about 50 gender assignment surgeries were postponed over the past six weeks. ...
NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-forcing-hospitals-to-cancel-gender-change-surgeries/)
They could have used all this time to seek psychological help.
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The Mount Sinai Hospital’s Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery performs about 600 gender assignment surgeries per year, its executive director, Dr. Joshua Safer, told The Post.
I know I ain't one of those spicticitatid city dwellers that I see on my teebee all the time,but I hafta admit I am shocked to see a major hospital with a WHOLE FREAKING DEPARTMENT dedicated to changing plumbing.
WTH is financing that? You just KNOW somebody contributed millions of bucks to the hospital to get them to set up that special clinic. Who was it? There is almost always plaques on the walls honoring the big hospital donors,and I am curious to see who it is and if they are connected to Soros.
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Some interesting stats on automobile usage during the lockdowns. Traffic is way down—63% down in NYC... but speeding is way up because drivers have less traffic and drive faster than the roads are built to safely accommodate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8270621/Deadly-car-crashes-spike-states-including-Minnesota-Louisiana-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8270621/Deadly-car-crashes-spike-states-including-Minnesota-Louisiana-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html)
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Some interesting stats on automobile usage during the lockdowns. Traffic is way down—63% down in NYC... but speeding is way up because drivers have less traffic and drive faster than the roads are built to safely accommodate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8270621/Deadly-car-crashes-spike-states-including-Minnesota-Louisiana-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8270621/Deadly-car-crashes-spike-states-including-Minnesota-Louisiana-amid-coronavirus-lockdown.html)
Yep.
The joke is, "I love my new truck, I get three weeks to the gallon!"
Full disclosure:
I bought a new Chevy Silverado on February 15th.
It looks pretty cool.....in the driveway.
:cool:
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speeding is way up because drivers have less traffic and drive faster than the roads are built to safely accommodate.
I guess that makes sense. Every evening we watch the 5 p.m. news from Pittsburgh, and they show the downtown bridges with barely a handful of cars on them. Considering the usual rush hour traffic, it's really quite shocking.
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Yep.
The joke is, "I love my new truck, I get three weeks to the gallon!"
Full disclosure:
I bought a new Chevy Silverado on February 15th.
It looks pretty cool.....in the driveway.
:cool:
Pretty weird hearing all y'all. My life ain't changed a whit other than I can't get at the bank and stuff is a bit short hereabouts.
But still doing my route... still running to the feed store, the ranch store, and the hardware store... I know stuff is closed in town, but none of it other than utilities are anything I do.And it ain't like anybody else is paying it any mind either - The highway is just as busy as ever....
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I guess that makes sense. Every evening we watch the 5 p.m. news from Pittsburgh, and they show the downtown bridges with barely a handful of cars on them. Considering the usual rush hour traffic, it's really quite shocking.
Traffic's lighter here, but still more than a handful of cars out there. I look at the traffic cams across the River in Laughlin, and the streets there are completely deserted. :shrug:
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Pretty weird hearing all y'all. My life ain't changed a whit other than I can't get at the bank and stuff is a bit short hereabouts.
But still doing my route... still running to the feed store, the ranch store, and the hardware store... I know stuff is closed in town, but none of it other than utilities are anything I do.And it ain't like anybody else is paying it any mind either - The highway is just as busy as ever....
Things are changing.
I had running boards put on the truck yesterday, down in Rosenberg, for folks familiar with the area.
The folks at the trailer and hitch store I had it done at were busy.
A lot of people milling about.
On the way home, saw people gathering in the park, just 4 houses away from mine.
Like I said earlier, in the Members Lounge, I go back to the job site Monday.
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The folks at the trailer and hitch store I had it done at were busy.
A lot of people milling about.
On the way home, saw people gathering in the park, just 4 houses away from mine.
Like I said earlier, in the Members Lounge, I go back to the job site Monday.
All of that is good news.
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All of that is good news.
I'm not so sure that is good news, at least not for our town. It seems cases are starting to spike here. The virus has hit our police dept, fire dept, city run healthcare clinic, 2 state prisons, cookie factory, special needs homes. For a relatively small town, we have A LOT of it. I saw 15-20 people lined up at a snow cone kiosk at a local park, with all of them sandwiched together. It seems like people are past the point of caring about the virus. This is potentially dangerous.
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I'm not so sure that is good news, at least not for our town. It seems cases are starting to spike here. The virus has hit our police dept, fire dept, city run healthcare clinic, 2 state prisons, cookie factory, special needs homes. For a relatively small town, we have A LOT of it. I saw 15-20 people lined up at a snow cone kiosk at a local park, with all of them sandwiched together. It seems like people are past the point of caring about the virus. This is potentially dangerous.
Aw shucks....
No one here get out alive.
I'll wear mask where I need to, gloves, too.
I'll keep away from people as best I can.
Perspective:
My county has 1000 cases as testing positive, (1024 I think) total.
24 have died, around 200 have recovered.
Most of those still counted as with the virus, are recovering at home.
It sounds like a lot.
Considering my county has over 800K residency, we would have to get to 8K carriers to reach 1%.
I've been home for 6 weeks now.
(I have been working from home, and to be honest, I think I am more productive doing so).
Time to join my co-workers.
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I'm not so sure that is good news, at least not for our town. It seems cases are starting to spike here. The virus has hit our police dept, fire dept, city run healthcare clinic, 2 state prisons, cookie factory, special needs homes. For a relatively small town, we have A LOT of it. I saw 15-20 people lined up at a snow cone kiosk at a local park, with all of them sandwiched together. It seems like people are past the point of caring about the virus. This is potentially dangerous.
Not caring is not good. Things will get back on track much faster if we continue to be smart and considerate of others. Gathering in groups is still hazardous because of the high percentage of asymptomatic carriers and the extreme contagion of the virus.
All you have to do is look at group homes and prisons to see what gathering together in large groups does to spread the disease.
Repeat........ if people want things to get back to normal, being smart is the fastest way to get there.
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(https://montanadailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/georgia-businesses-reopen-cautiously-amid-coronavirus-worry-2.jpg)
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All you have to do is look at group homes and prisons to see what gathering together in large groups . . . in cool dry closed environments . . . does to spread the disease.
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Good news: in addition to the USNS Comfort leaving New York, two other COVID facilities are winding down operations in NYC: the Javits Center will wrap up Friday, while Samaritan Purse's facility in Central Park (with 18 of its 68 beds currently being occupied right now) will be closing in mid-May.
Overall state hospitalizations statewide have fallen substantially from their peak on Easter.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/central-park-coronavirus-hospital-will-close-in-early-may/
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Not caring is not good. Things will get back on track much faster if we continue to be smart and considerate of others. Gathering in groups is still hazardous because of the high percentage of asymptomatic carriers and the extreme contagion of the virus.
Lady delivering our groceries for curb side pickup today had her mask wrapped down to her chin.
Was going to ask why, but these folks are already overworked, and sure don't need my snide comments I guess.
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So??? People have died because they went to choir practice or a church service too.
I know a handful of you don’t believe it , but a disease spread by human contact doesn’t spread as much with less human contact.
Not rocket science. And not really open for debate.
Unless someone just feels like arguing. **nononono*
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Good news: in addition to the USNS Comfort leaving New York, two other COVID facilities are winding down operations in NYC: the Javits Center will wrap up Friday, while Samaritan Purse's facility in Central Park (with 18 of its 68 beds currently being occupied right now) will be closing in mid-May.
Overall state hospitalizations statewide have fallen substantially from their peak on Easter.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/central-park-coronavirus-hospital-will-close-in-early-may/
Great news!!
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Good news: in addition to the USNS Comfort leaving New York, two other COVID facilities are winding down operations in NYC: the Javits Center will wrap up Friday, while Samaritan Purse's facility in Central Park (with 18 of its 68 beds currently being occupied right now) will be closing in mid-May.
Overall state hospitalizations statewide have fallen substantially from their peak on Easter.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/central-park-coronavirus-hospital-will-close-in-early-may/
Yay! That is really good news.
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I'm currently splitting time between working at home and working at my office. I'd guesstimate that the traffic I see on SR17//I-880 is about a third of normal volume. Companies that provide essential products and services to essential businesses are not required to shut down. We do have reduced staffing, with those who can do computer work at home doing do.
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05-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.894 ↑ | 2.628 ↓ |
| United States | 2.385 ↓ | 7.189 ↓ |
| China | 16.752 ↑ | 1.068 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 458,649
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 22.6 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 32.7 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US 21-day Recovery Deficit has reached 250,000. That's a quarter of a million people who were diagnosed three weeks ago or earlier and who still are listed as active cases.
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I'm one of those and have no intention to ever click on that site again but that has not affected how I feel about many of the old-time posters there Alamo-Girl definitely included. She is a FINE lady.
:beer: 888high58888 :amen:
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Pretty weird hearing all y'all. My life ain't changed a whit other than I can't get at the bank and stuff is a bit short hereabouts.
But still doing my route... still running to the feed store, the ranch store, and the hardware store... I know stuff is closed in town, but none of it other than utilities are anything I do.And it ain't like anybody else is paying it any mind either - The highway is just as busy as ever....
Well, aside from my oil patch job going away, some things being in short supply, not being able to hit the buffet we like a couple of times a month, or joke with the gals at the bank, stuff here is pretty normal, too. Eight of the 10 cases in this county are listed as "recovered", so I'm not so sure what the fuss is about here.
But things won't be back to normal, here for a while, because while the big focus was on the CCP virus, our energy industry imploded. Not complaining, I have a new job for now.
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I believe I had the virus. Wife too. She is presently deployed up north working on the virus in nursing homes.
This sh*t storm still affects me with her out of town, and a consulting gig I was slated for has been on hold. So I am losing serious income as a result of this nonsense.
I applaud Gov Brian Kemp. The numbers here in Georgia are not low for infection and death, and he decided to reopen the economic life. That was not an easy decision to make.
But the notion of expecting a vaccine is very misguided. There is no guarantee we will have a vaccine in five years, let alone one year. The only means of protecting society is herd immunity. Enough people have to get the disease to resume normal living. Protect those at risk, but resume normal living is the only logical option. The shutdown, I understand because of the massive influx to hospitals. But we have protocols in place, that we did not have when this started. We have folks washing hands(more important than anything to prevent spread), maintaining distance, etc.
Judy Mikovitz, a scientist that worked for NIH with Fauci, said on a clip I watched that wearing masks are not a good thing. They lower your immune system and cause illness with frequent use. Thought that comment interesting.
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Judy Mikovitz, a scientist that worked for NIH with Fauci, said on a clip I watched that wearing masks are not a good thing. They lower your immune system and cause illness with frequent use. Thought that comment interesting.
@jafo2010
I,like many others,have COPD,and that makes it even harder to breathe if I put a mask on. Probably ok if I am just sitting around,but if I have to walk while wearing one i end up gasping for breath before long.
Having fluid in my lungs from Lymphoma doesn't help,either.
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Tribune Review (https://triblive.com/local/regional/ohio-extends-stay-at-home-order-through-may-30/)
Ohio extends stay-at-home order through May 30
Tony LaRussa
Friday, May 1, 2020 7:06 a.m.Ohio has extended its stay-at-home order through May 30, the governor’s office announced late Thursday.
The state issued a schedule for some businesses to begin reopening this month, but Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s statewide stay-at-home order for residents will not end until 11:59 p.m. May 29. The full text of the order (https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/static/publicorders/Directors-Stay-Safe-Ohio-Order.pdf) was posted on the state’s website.
Pennsylvania is set to announce its plans Friday on what parts of Pennsylvania could see coronavirus restrictions eased. ...
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All previously existing orders for my county in Texas expired at 11:59 PM yesterday. Not that anyone was paying them any attention to begin with.
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Tribune Review (https://triblive.com/local/regional/ohio-extends-stay-at-home-order-through-may-30/)
Ohio extends stay-at-home order through May 30
Tony LaRussa
Friday, May 1, 2020 7:06 a.m.
It is a greatly modified order.
Medical procedures, including Dentist's offices open today. Manufacturing opens on Monday. Retail opens on May 12th.
Getting out and going to groceries and pharmacies, and any other essential services (including garden services) have never been shut down.
Neither have state parks.
They are working on presenting a plan for restaurants (take out has never been stopped), barber shops, salons, etc., and consulting the owners of those places for advice on what they prefer.
So the continued "stay at home order" isn't really "continued."
And every bit of it has been honestly talked about during the entire time. So this is not news.
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UPMC doctor argues COVID-19 not as deadly as feared, says its hospitals will shift back to normal (https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/umpc-argues-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-says-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html)
Snip: A UPMC doctor on Thursday made a case the death rate for people infected with the new coronavirus may be as low as 0.25% — far lower than the mortality rates of 2-4% or even higher cited in the early days of the pandemic.
And THIS is what we destroyed our economy for!
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And THIS is what we destroyed our economy for!
No, we destroyed our economy to get Trump out of the white house.
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UPMC doctor argues COVID-19 not as deadly as feared, says its hospitals will shift back to normal (https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/umpc-argues-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-says-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html)
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And THIS is what we destroyed our economy for!
The scam of the century.
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No, we destroyed our economy to get Trump out of the white house.
B I N G O ! ! !
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@jafo2010
I,like many others,have COPD,and that makes it even harder to breathe if I put a mask on. Probably ok if I am just sitting around,but if I have to walk while wearing one i end up gasping for breath before long.
Having fluid in my lungs from Lymphoma doesn't help,either.
I, too, have COPD, but I will go back to work on Monday.
(I am on my way soon to the local Walgreen's to pick up a refill of Encruse Ellipta. I still have plenty of Symbicort left).
I do know what precautions to take.
I'm not likely to forget them.
The precautions are blasted all over the TV and the Radio, 24/7.
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@jafo2010
I,like many others,have COPD,and that makes it even harder to breathe if I put a mask on. Probably ok if I am just sitting around,but if I have to walk while wearing one i end up gasping for breath before long.
Having fluid in my lungs from Lymphoma doesn't help,either.
The rest of us will wear masks to keep people like you safe.
If there is a medical reason for you not to keep one on, there should be an exception to the rule for you.
Here there is no mandate requiring the use of masks, and specifically an exception for medical purposes...... which yours definitely is.
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I have a dentist's appointment scheduled for Monday morning! Never thought I'd be happy about that, but I AM!!
The light at the end of the tunnel is getting a bit brighter! happy77
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I have a dentist's appointment scheduled for Monday morning!
My dentist (in Ohio) had to cancel my 5/4 appointment because his office cannot obtain the necessary PPE, by which I assume they meant masks and gloves. **nononono*
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My dentist (in Ohio) had to cancel my 5/4 appointment because his office cannot obtain the necessary PPE, by which I assume they meant masks and gloves. **nononono*
That doesn't make any sense. If the Dentists have been closed, they should have had the PPE they've always used already stocked up, unless they gave it away.
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That doesn't make any sense. If the Dentists have been closed, they should have had the PPE they've always used already stocked up, unless they gave it away.
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My dentist (in Ohio) had to cancel my 5/4 appointment because his office cannot obtain the necessary PPE, by which I assume they meant masks and gloves. **nononono*
That makes absolutely no sense.
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That doesn't make any sense. If the Dentists have been closed, they should have had the PPE they've always used already stocked up, unless they gave it away.
Yes they should have had their normal "stockpile" --- perhaps they are staying closed to take advantage of government $$.
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UPMC doctor argues COVID-19 not as deadly as feared, says its hospitals will shift back to normal (https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/umpc-argues-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-says-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html)
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And THIS is what we destroyed our economy for!
@Bigun
No,we destroyed our economy so the Dims could blame it on the Republican,and all the Dim feebs would rally behind "The Flag of Stoopid" and vote for Slow Joe and his Dim accomplices.
BTW,it's not just the Dims,either. There are MANY alleged Republicans as excited as a pervert at a all-girl elementary school at the very thought of Trump and the Conservatives who support him being destroyed so they can get back to business with their Dim accomplices to destroy America and make it safe for fascism.
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Yes they should have had their normal "stockpile" --- perhaps they are staying closed to take advantage of government $$.
Or they donated everything to the Hospitals they were told were about to be overwhelmed. Maybe they just lack hand sanitizers for the patients?
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Gov. DeWine is outlining the increased retail activity permitted in the new "Stay Safe Ohio" order. (More allowed than was announced yesterday.... the May 12th date has been moved forward).
It is NOT the same as the "Stay and Home" order that expired yesterday. (Masks are NOT mandatory..... just recommended to be considerate and caring of others).
He will soon announce information about barber shops, hair salons and restaurants based on recommendations from those who RUN those kinds of businesses.
The goal is to continue to keep Ohioans safe while reopening the economy.
Balancing health and the economy, understanding the impatience of some and the extra caution of others. Listening to people from all perspectives.
Still proud to be from Ohio. (Pardon my optimism. I know it doesn't sit too well with some. happy77)
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Or they donated everything to the Hospitals they were told were about to be overwhelmed. Maybe they just lack hand sanitizers for the patients?
They have known the date they would be opening for a number of weeks because it was announced. If they were short of PPE a few weeks ago, there are places they could have gotten them, because Ohio manufacturers are making them.
My guess is that someone in the office wasn't doing his or her job in preparing for this date that they knew was coming.
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That doesn't make any sense. If the Dentists have been closed, they should have had the PPE they've always used already stocked up, unless they gave it away.
They likely did. Everyone was harping on how there was a lack of PPE and much of it likely got commandeered to deal with the crisis.
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They likely did. Everyone was harping on how there was a lack of PPE and much of it likely got commandeered to deal with the crisis.
Yeah, that's what I think. They were "looted." They're probably out of TP in the rest rooms, too.
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I doubt my dentist and his staff are so incompetent as to forget to order supplies. Dental offices will have to do things much differently under the new Covid protocols, as described in this article about WV's dentists. (http://wvmetronews.com/2020/05/01/training-ppe-buys-underway-ahead-of-dental-reopenings-in-west-virginia/?fbclid=IwAR2aONVQt1JnPdsiinYp6n6Kuq9wadx8A6zgauMspz-AgqlgFi6BXX8enVg) The PPE now being required is beyond what they normally use.
This is what Ohio dentists now have to do:GUIDELINES FOR PROVIDNG DENTAL CARE DURING THE CURRENT COVID-19 PANDEMIC
Pre-screen every patient for COVID-19 risk factors using a comprehensive questionnaire until accurate testing is available.
Reduce the number of in-person appointments by utilizing telephone triage and other remote strategies to address specific patient concerns.
Stagger patient appointments to minimize patient-to-patient contact. To facilitate adequate distancing, it is strongly recommended to limit one patient per dental care provider. Observing these guidelines will regulate the number of patients within an office/clinic at any given time.
Social distancing will be observed in the dental offices and waiting areas. To help adequate distancing, it is strongly recommended to limit one patient per dental care provider. Observing these guidelines, will regulate the total number of patients seen in a day and the number of patients within an office/clinic at any given time.
Schedule patients ensuring that sufficient time is allocated for appropriate disinfection between patients as recommended in the ADA toolkit.
Patients should come alone for appointments (except where necessary for interpreters, guardians of minors, and others needing assistance).
Record body temperatures for every patient when they arrive for their appointment.
Patients reporting or exhibiting COVID-19 symptoms are to be advised to contact their primary care physician immediately and placed in quarantine as appropriate.
Dentists should secure COVID-19 test reports where available for patients and staff.
All staff members should have their temperatures taken upon arriving at work and a record maintained at the dental office.
Staff members who report or exhibit any COVID-19 symptoms should self-quarantine and contact their primary care physician immediately and follow their advice. If found to be positive, the dental office should follow the Ohio Department of Health protocol.
All dental personnel shall use appropriate PPE as dictated by the procedure performed, consistent with guidelines from the CDC and the American Dental Association, including masks, face shields, fluid-resistant gowns and hair cover if applicable.
Dental providers should use high volume evacuators and isolation strategies including rubber dams when appropriate to limit exposure to aerosols.
It is recommended that patients use a pre-procedure mouth rinse immediately before beginning a procedure
All surfaces must be disinfected between patients in accordance with the ADA guidelines.
Special care should be taken for patients with higher risk (pre-existing comorbidities) or immunocompromised individuals.
Dentists are encouraged to work with local public health agencies regarding necessary screening and reporting requirements.
These guidelines will continue to be updated as needed.
Ohio State Dental Board (https://dental.ohio.gov/News/ohio-state-dental-board-covid-19-update-dental-offices-opening-on-may-1-2020)
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Most of those are just the normal precautions that all medical establishments are required to take....... and they are called "guidelines" not requirements.
All they are doing in the small town dentist's office we go to is taking a temperature after we get there. We are not required to wear a mask (but we will), and I'm sure the appropriate social distancing will be observed.
I'm also sure they are spacing out the appointments and Monday is the first day, so I will report what happens and who is wearing what after my appointment.
If the extra PPE is "required" then I'm sure our office obtained them, because if they didn't, they couldn't open......and they called us today. If they are wearing what they normally would for their protection, I will be sure that the guidelines are just that......... guidelines.
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Well folks, complain all you want, but here in Connecticut where I am there's no letup. In fact, the only "up" is the number of new cases each day:
- Tuesday - 315 new cases
- Wednesday - 455 new cases
- Thursday - 933 new cases
- Friday (today) - 1,064 new cases.
Average is about 80 deaths per day.
I doubt things will be back to any semblance of "normal" here before mid-July or August, if then. I'm wondering if schools will even open in September.
And not too long after that, "the second wave" of the virus in the fall...
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I'm sorry to see this @Fishrrman . I hope things start looking up there soon. Your part of the country has been hit so hard.
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Yes they should have had their normal "stockpile" --- perhaps they are staying closed to take advantage of government $$.
Maybe, but if they anticipated being shut down for the duration, they may have donated their masks and gloves to other medical facilities or nursing homes.
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Maybe, but if they anticipated being shut down for the duration, they may have donated their masks and gloves to other medical facilities or nursing homes.
I don't know why any dentist's office here would think they would be closed for the duration.
They were late in being closed, and at least our dentist seemed to be anxious to open up again as soon as possible. It wasn't a bit surprising to me that they were first on the list to open back up.
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Yeah, that's what I think. They were "looted." They're probably out of TP in the rest rooms, too.
@Cyber Liberty
I haven't seen a single roll of toilet paper or paper towels on a shelf at my local chain grocery store since this mess began. I asked someone stocking shelves about it a few days ago,and was told,"We stock the shelves every morning,and it's all gone by noon. You have to get here early."
What the HELL are these people doing with all that toilet paper and paper towels,eating them?
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I don't know why any dentist's office here would think they would be closed for the duration.
They were late in being closed, and at least our dentist seemed to be anxious to open up again as soon as possible. It wasn't a bit surprising to me that they were first on the list to open back up.
Aside from dental emergencies due to playing or accidents, I can imagine some dental pain, with no end in sight being cause for people trying to self terminate.
After all, they're doctors, too.
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@Cyber Liberty
I haven't seen a single roll of toilet paper or paper towels on a shelf at my local chain grocery store since this mess began. I asked someone stocking shelves about it a few days ago,and was told,"We stock the shelves every morning,and it's all gone by noon. You have to get here early."
What the HELL are these people doing with all that toilet paper and paper towels,eating them?
The road crew I'm on, we're sealing cracks in the pavement. On top of the crack sealing compound (more a rubber than tar), we roll out a layer of TP to keep it from adhering to tires of passing vehicles and not only ruining the sealing job, but potentially wreaking mayhem on someone's vehicle.
A guy stopped while I was flagging and said "So, this is where all the toilet paper is going!"
I replied "It's a rich State! We have streets paved with Charmin!'
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At What Cost and To What End? The Lunacy of Further Lockdown
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@Cyber Liberty
I haven't seen a single roll of toilet paper or paper towels on a shelf at my local chain grocery store since this mess began. I asked someone stocking shelves about it a few days ago,and was told,"We stock the shelves every morning,and it's all gone by noon. You have to get here early."
What the HELL are these people doing with all that toilet paper and paper towels,eating them?
I'm not quite sure, but up until a couple of days ago, we were on lockdown. We've been on lockdown for almost 2 months. During that time Clorox wipes, hand sanitizer, toilet paper, paper towels became very scarce. People have been ridiculously greedy; locally one couple bought up an entire store's supply of toilet paper and paper towels -- then the stores started limiting quantities per customer. Even during hurricane season, there was always plenty of toilet paper and paper towels. Water is always scarce and canned goods -- even at that ... usually extra shipments start coming in. Not so now.
I agree -- I'm not sure what's going on. I've had my extra stash of tp and paper towels for over 10 years ... however, IF I do go out and there is a package of paper towels available and toilet paper I pick some up and give it to others in need...I'm usually at the store before 9:00 a.m. Still haven't been able to get a regular sized canister of disinfecting wipes -- I'm getting low -- last time I got some the only size available was a very small canister -- a size I'd never seen before.
So, now I'm wondering -- are the paper companies and cleaning supply companies cutting back supplies in order to slowly continue to raise prices? The demand is definitely there.
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At What Cost and To What End? The Lunacy of Further Lockdown
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Amen, sister, amen!!! 888high58888
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05-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 4.974 ↑ | 2.598 ↓ |
| United States | 2.457 ↑ | 7.001 ↓ |
| China | 16.758 ↑ | 1.067 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 471,728
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 23.1 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 32.8 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/when-connecticut-will-begin-phased-reopening-from-coronavirus/
Connecticut to begin phased reopening of coronavirus lockdown May 20
Of note: outdoor gathering areas for bars and restaurants will be part of the first phase of reopening, meaning you will be allowed to sit down.
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Of note: outdoor gathering areas for bars and restaurants will be part of the first phase of reopening, meaning you will be allowed to sit down.
That's what they've just started allowing in WV, with lots of rules and regulations for spacing, PPE, etc.
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Carnegie Mellon’s COVIDcast site displays real-time data on pandemic in the U.S.
Teghan Simonton
Friday, May 1, 2020 1:08 p.m.
Carnegie Mellon University unveiled five interactive maps last week on their COVIDcast site (https://covidcast.cmu.edu/), which provides real-time covid-19 indicators across the United States.
The maps display real-time data on symptoms, doctor visits, medical tests and browser searches related to covid-19 in the U.S., including estimated disease activity at the county level. ...
(https://triblive.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2606396_web1_ptr-covidcast-050220.jpg)
Full story at Tribune Review (https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/carnegie-mellons-covidcast-site-displays-real-time-data-on-pandemic-in-the-u-s/)
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I just found out that my niece’s husband came home from work on Monday not feeling well, was tested Tuesday for COVID-19 and found out on Thursday he is positive. My niece had to take him to the ER last night because he had numbness and severe pain in his leg and they were concerned about a blood clot which is a known complication. The doctors told him it was nerve pain that they said is also a symptom and gave him pain killers. He is very exhausted, has a severe headache and gets out of breath from just moving around, is sleeping a lot. Don’t know what else he’s been given.
FWIW, he’s in he’s early 40’s and healthy, trim and fit with no underlying health conditions, doesn’t drink or smoke. They live not far from me here in South Central PA but he works in MD as a facilities manager (not a healthcare related business). The thing is he’s a bit of a germaphobe even before this and I know they’ve been wearing masks when going to the store and taking other precautions, social distancing, etc. She works for the school district as a teacher’s aide so has been off work since schools closed but has been working online from home for the last few weeks.
She and her adult stepson who lives with them were tested on Thursday and are waiting on the results. She has a headache and a sore throat, don’t know if her stepson has any symptoms. She also has four girls at home - the 12-year-old triplets and the 13-year-old and said several of them are complaining of sore throats now too.
Pending her and her stepson’s tests, their whole household is quarantined so no way to get groceries and Rx’s except for deliveries.
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I just found out that my niece’s husband came home from work on Monday not feeling well, was tested Tuesday for COVID-19 and found out on Thursday he is positive. My niece had to take him to the ER last night because he had numbness and severe pain in his leg and they were concerned about a blood clot which is a known complication. The doctors told him it was nerve pain that they said is also a symptom and gave him pain killers. He is very exhausted, has a severe headache and gets out of breath from just moving around, is sleeping a lot. Don’t know what else he’s been given.
FWIW, he’s in he’s early 40’s and healthy, trim and fit with no underlying health conditions, doesn’t drink or smoke. They live not far from me here in South Central PA but he works in MD as a facilities manager (not a healthcare related business). The thing is he’s a bit of a germaphobe even before this and I know they’ve been wearing masks when going to the store and taking other precautions, social distancing, etc. She works for the school district as a teacher’s aide so has been off work since schools closed but has been working online from home for the last few weeks.
She and her adult stepson who lives with them were tested on Thursday and are waiting on the results. She has a headache and a sore throat, don’t know if her stepson has any symptoms. She also has four girls at home - the 12-year-old triplets and the 13-year-old and said several of them are complaining of sore throats now too.
Pending her and her stepson’s tests, their whole household is quarantined so no way to get groceries and Rx’s except for deliveries.
@Neverdul
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Sorry to hear that @Neverdul
It's particularly dismaying to see that the virus still made its way to a person taking all the recommended precautions. I hope the docs give him those coronavirus drugs that have proven effective, and don't just treat the leg pain!
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I wasn't aware of it at the time, but here another "Public Health" official - in a Dem-run county - who encouraged folks in the county and visitors to enjoy the activities of the county, including the Los Angeles Marathon:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-07/coronavirus-cancels-many-events-but-l-a-marathon-and-coachella-still-on-here-is-why (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-07/coronavirus-cancels-many-events-but-l-a-marathon-and-coachella-still-on-here-is-why)
Despite coronavirus, why are the L.A. Marathon and Coachella still on?
By ALEX WIGGLESWORTH, SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, RONG-GONG LIN II
MARCH 7, 202011:12 AM
The L.A. Marathon is expected to go on as scheduled on Sunday despite coronavirus concerns.
L.A. County health officials recommended that spectators who are sick stay home and that anyone who attends stay six feet away from others. Runners were advised to wash their hands before the race and to not shake hands with other participants or the public. Hand sanitizer will also be available for runners along the course.
“We are not currently recommending the suspension of any large public events, including the L.A. Marathon,†Barbara Ferrer, director of the county Public Health Department, said in a statement Thursday. “The public can continue to enjoy all that L.A. County has to offer, including this historic event.â€
The marathon was run on March 8th, and Barbara Ferrer, director of the county Public Health Department made her comment on March 5th. The Los Angeles Marathon website doesn't give info on the number of runners, but the W'pedia article for the event puts that number as more than 25,000, plus several thousand volunteers (course marshals, aid stations, finish and recovery area). I am not suggesting this was #Resist-motivated, just a reflection of a lack of awareness and focus on what was happening and known at the time.
By way of contrast, on March 9th, Santa Clara County announced a ban on gatherings larger than 1,000 people, which led local organizer Run Local to cancel its "Shamrock Run", which was scheduled for March 14th. The "Shamrock Run" would not have had 1,000 runners, but including volunteers, friends/family of runners, and spectators, Run Local decided on a prudent course ( ****drummer ), and changed it to a "virtual" event (runners could do it at a time and place of their choosing).
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@PeteS in CA My husband is a marathoner, and the one he was going to run in April was cancelled. Other races he has been hoping to run, previously set for June and July, also have been cancelled - even ones which wouldn't have had anywhere close to 1,000 participants. **nononono*
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@PeteS in CA My husband is a marathoner, and the one he was going to run in April was cancelled. Other races he has been hoping to run, previously set for June and July, also have been cancelled - even ones which wouldn't have had anywhere close to 1,000 participants. **nononono*
I've heard of event cancellations in NorCal (and other states) stretching out into July. Even if events under 1000 runners were to be allowed starting in June, the permits, logistics, registration process, and getting volunteers pretty much preclude events being run in June, and not until well into July.
Two trail run organizers in my area are continuing to do their regular scheduled events "remote" (runners choose their time and place). Both have a good number of very loyal repeat runners/volunteers, so hopefully both will weather this SiP reasonably well. My daughter and I have done one each of their events, and are signed up for another. We'll still get the T-shirts and finisher's medals for the events, and it's an incentive to "get out there". I've been choosing reasonably scenic trails with similar terrain and that I learned about after she moved to China. My avatar is of her and I about to start the 5-miler we did; getting the pic was not easy, because I wanted to include the street sign behind us.
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I just found out that my niece’s husband came home from work on Monday not feeling well, was tested Tuesday for COVID-19 and found out on Thursday he is positive. My niece had to take him to the ER last night because he had numbness and severe pain in his leg and they were concerned about a blood clot which is a known complication. The doctors told him it was nerve pain that they said is also a symptom and gave him pain killers. He is very exhausted, has a severe headache and gets out of breath from just moving around, is sleeping a lot. Don’t know what else he’s been given.
FWIW, he’s in he’s early 40’s and healthy, trim and fit with no underlying health conditions, doesn’t drink or smoke. They live not far from me here in South Central PA but he works in MD as a facilities manager (not a healthcare related business). The thing is he’s a bit of a germaphobe even before this and I know they’ve been wearing masks when going to the store and taking other precautions, social distancing, etc. She works for the school district as a teacher’s aide so has been off work since schools closed but has been working online from home for the last few weeks.
She and her adult stepson who lives with them were tested on Thursday and are waiting on the results. She has a headache and a sore throat, don’t know if her stepson has any symptoms. She also has four girls at home - the 12-year-old triplets and the 13-year-old and said several of them are complaining of sore throats now too.
Pending her and her stepson’s tests, their whole household is quarantined so no way to get groceries and Rx’s except for deliveries.
So sorry to hear this @Neverdul ! Your family will be in my prayers.
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I agree -- I'm not sure what's going on. I've had my extra stash of tp and paper towels for over 10 years ...
I just realized that I must be a hoarder even though I haven't bought a single roll or toilet paper or paper towels since this began.
I live alone and keep both my house and my workshop supplied with essential items because I have a full bath in the "office" of my workshop,along with a hammock to sleep in,microwave,refrigerator,computer,wi-fi,ac,and heat. That way if I am out there working on something I don't have to stop and come back to the house. I can even stay out there for days at a time if I want,and only go to the house to feed and water the house cats.
I tend to buy essential items in bulk both because it is cheaper to buy them,and it saves me from having to make extra trips to the store,which is a 25 mile round trip.
Even now I am not really close to running out. I think I still have 10-12 rolls of tp between the shop and the house,and probably more rolls of paper towels than that because I use them for shop rags.
Still,I AM glancing at the tp and paper towel aisles when I go to the grocery store,and plan on buying a 10 or 12 pack of tp and a 4 or 6 roll pack of paper towels when I spot my preferred brands. Just to be sure.
So, now I'm wondering -- are the paper companies and cleaning supply companies cutting back supplies in order to slowly continue to raise prices? The demand is definitely there.
I don't know. Seems to me that since there is no one company with a monopoly on these items,the companies would be pumping them out as fast as they can to meet the demand while it's here. After all,the sales of these items will be taking a nose dive as soon as things go back to what we all laughingly call "normal".
I suspect this damn "stay at home and stay 17 miles away from everyone else" foolishness is mostly responsible. Most people,being the sheep they are by nature,are terrified of dying,and are now afraid to go to work. If your employees don't WANT to go to work because they are afraid,and the government is telling them to not go to work,there is not much that can be done about it.
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I just realized that I must be a hoarder even though I haven't bought a single roll or toilet paper or paper towels since this began.
@sneakypete
Nah. Just redneck. It's just a matter of fact that rural life has 'prepper' or 'hoarder' built right in.
I tend to buy essential items in bulk both because it is cheaper to buy them,and it saves me from having to make extra trips to the store,which is a 25 mile round trip.
Me too... as does every other redneck house on the planet.
Even now I am not really close to running out. I think I still have 10-12 rolls of tp between the shop and the house,and probably more rolls of paper towels than that because I use them for shop rags.
Me too sommore. I buy Northern in the big roll, in the bulk pack from Wallyworld, I don't rightly know how many is in that thing... 18 to 24 I'd reckon. I normally have two of those around - One I am working on, and one in reserve. I had just cracked open my reserve when all this happened, and three quarters of that is still there. Like you, I have a weather eye out, but I am alright into June some time... And even at that, can fall back on the biodegradable stuff I have (just about as much) for use in the woods, and paper towels thereafter, of which I have a butt-ton.
Folks can say what they want, but it turns out all them preppers and home canners had it damn well right... And most folks would do to take heed. I have thought to start a thread about what folks found out in that, and may still do so.
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I just realized that I must be a hoarder even though I haven't bought a single roll or toilet paper or paper towels since this began.
I live alone and keep both my house and my workshop supplied with essential items because I have a full bath in the "office" of my workshop,along with a hammock to sleep in,microwave,refrigerator,computer,wi-fi,ac,and heat. That way if I am out there working on something I don't have to stop and come back to the house. I can even stay out there for days at a time if I want,and only go to the house to feed and water the house cats.
I tend to buy essential items in bulk both because it is cheaper to buy them,and it saves me from having to make extra trips to the store,which is a 25 mile round trip.
Even now I am not really close to running out. I think I still have 10-12 rolls of tp between the shop and the house,and probably more rolls of paper towels than that because I use them for shop rags.
Still,I AM glancing at the tp and paper towel aisles when I go to the grocery store,and plan on buying a 10 or 12 pack of tp and a 4 or 6 roll pack of paper towels when I spot my preferred brands. Just to be sure.
I don't know. Seems to me that since there is no one company with a monopoly on these items,the companies would be pumping them out as fast as they can to meet the demand while it's here. After all,the sales of these items will be taking a nose dive as soon as things go back to what we all laughingly call "normal".
I suspect this damn "stay at home and stay 17 miles away from everyone else" foolishness is mostly responsible. Most people,being the sheep they are by nature,are terrified of dying,and are now afraid to go to work. If your employees don't WANT to go to work because they are afraid,and the government is telling them to not go to work,there is not much that can be done about it.
@sneakypete
Just about anybody who has to drive 25 miles for groceries does that, it's just good sense. We have a similar drive and when the Stay at Home orders started coming out, we had already been cloistered for weeks. :shrug:
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@sneakypete
Folks can say what they want, but it turns out all them preppers and home canners had it damn well right... And most folks would do to take heed. I have thought to start a thread about what folks found out in that, and may still do so.
@roamer_1
I have recently been eyeing the blue "paper towels for grease pickup" at the auto parts stores. It's more expensive and a bit "rougher" than what I like to use to blow my nose with,but I can get by with it just fine if I have to,and there seems to be no shortage of it in any auto parts store I have entered. Might buy a couple of rolls this weekend. If nothing else,I can use them for sopping up oil in the workshop.
As for TP,it's not even really necessary. I have a flexible hose in my shower/tub I can use to wash my butt,and people who don't can always use a wash cloth and then wash it out.
I use the shower hose fairly often,anyhow. Some of the meds the docs have me taking plug me up,and it's either high-pressure hot water or constipation,which makes for an easy choice.
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As for TP,it's not even really necessary. I have a flexible hose in my shower/tub I can use to wash my butt,and people who don't can always use a wash cloth and then wash it out.
I will do you one better @sneakypete ... As a family we have bales of cloth diapers stored up in various states of disrepair... Easy enough to convert from their original function to nearly-the-same... I dare say it ain't the first time nor the last that this House has had to deal with washer loads of dirty diapers.
Though for myself, I would be more likely to go collect mullen leaf, which is out in abundance nowadays, and will keep me well through into fall if necessary. But like I said, add in the biodegradable stuff I have on hand, saving that for here, it is likely I will only be looking for mullen leaf or the like out on the trail.
I use the shower hose fairly often,anyhow. Some of the meds the docs have me taking plug me up,and it's either high-pressure hot water or constipation,which makes for an easy choice.
Yeah I bet. :laugh:
I tend to fix that sort of thing on the intake end, going to more vinegary foods, and nuts and berries... A cup of frozen blue berries every day is a wonder in that regard, and if I get headed in a bad way, I convert to green chili burritos with hot salsa and mochas instead of coffee...
And you might want to look at your magnesium levels... Pick up some stuff called 'Natural Calm' at any health food type store. A level tea spoon in a hot cup of water will give you a tea faintly tasting of lemon and goat piss... But get on it daily till you get the squirts - that's the sign you have enough - and then maintain accordingly. If I am getting bound up and nothing else is working, it's my goto, and likely the cause is low magnesium.
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I tend to fix that sort of thing on the intake end, going to more vinegary foods, and nuts and berries.
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@roamer_1
It's not my diet causing the problems,it's the meds I am required to take. The good news on that is I should be able to stop taking some of them in a month or two.
As for vinegar,that is my personal favorite "go to" for acid reflux/heart burn. A bottle cap of vinegar puts out the fire,but I prefer to take it on a BBQ sandwich. Anything cooked with vinegar is good,too.
Got a bottle of Rolaids around here somewhere that is probably close to 20 years old now,and feeling neglected.
BTW,vinegar is also GREAT for removing rust. Just saying....
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It's not my diet causing the problems,it's the meds I am required to take. The good news on that is I should be able to stop taking some of them in a month or two.
@sneakypete
Won't hurt nothin anyway... Magnesium is the active ingredient in most things they'll give you to get you unbound anyway... And it just might help. Maybe it's just me, but if I gotta fire up the pressure washer just to lose my mud, I am gonna be looking for a better solution. :shrug:
As for vinegar,that is my personal favorite "go to" for acid reflux/heart burn. A bottle cap of vinegar puts out the fire,but I prefer to take it on a BBQ sandwich. Anything cooked with vinegar is good,too.
Got a bottle of Rolaids around here somewhere that is probably close to 20 years old now,and feeling neglected.
BTW,vinegar is also GREAT for removing rust. Just saying....
That's right. I think that over hundreds and hundreds of years of preservation, especially in the north (read white folks) hoomin beans have adapted to require a vinegary diet... way more than most folks these days get. It is a comment I get maybe most of all from folks visiting here from elsewhere... We tend to be way heavy to vinegar and pro-biotic ferments in our diet and preserves.
White guy foods. :shrug:
And try Evap-O-Rust... You won't be messin with vinegar anymore.
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@sneakypete
That's right. I think that over hundreds and hundreds of years of preservation, especially in the north (read white folks) hoomin beans have adapted to require a vinegary diet... way more than most folks these days get. It is a comment I get maybe most of all from folks visiting here from elsewhere... We tend to be way heavy to vinegar and pro-biotic ferments in our diet and preserves.
White guy foods. :shrug:
@roamer_1
Don't try telling that to Italians.
And try Evap-O-Rust... You won't be messin with vinegar anymore.
Vinegar is a lot cheaper. Especially since I use it as weed killer when it gets too thick to remove rust with anymore.
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I just found out that my niece’s husband came home from work on Monday not feeling well, was tested Tuesday for COVID-19 and found out on Thursday he is positive.
That totally sucks @Neverdul . Prayers sent for your niece's family.
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Meanwhile here in Texas, a photo that speaks a 1000 words.....
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/67/57/19364803/3/core_breaking_now.jpg)
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She can take my Temperature any time her Heart desires.
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She can take my Temperature any time her Heart desires.
Even if it's "no-touch!"
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My eyes filled with that Cleavage is a Good trade off.
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That totally sucks @Neverdul . Prayers sent for your niece's family.
@Cyber Liberty
@mountaineer
@musiclady
@Once-Ler
Thanks for the kind words and concerns and prayers. The thing is that my niece and her husband are the type of people who would give you the shirt off their backs if you needed it (I’ve seen them do extraordinary things for other people, me included) but rarely ask anyone else for help.
I can certainly go on shopping runs for them, of course keeping myself distanced since I’m somewhat at a higher risk, dropping it off on their porch.
I got an update that she and her stepson’s tests came back negative. But I find it concerning that she has a headache and sore throat and the girls are complaining about sore throats too. I told her to make sure to get re-tested if she continues to have symptoms or gets worse. I hear way too much about the tests not being all that accurate – more false negatives than false positives. :0001:
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Well, a sore throat can be caused by just about anything, from atmospheric irritants to post-nasal drip to a virus to bacteria (e.g. strep). I don't think headache is, in and of itself, a symptom of this particular virus, so (and keep in mind, I don't pretend to be a doctor so don't take this as professional medical advice) my suspicion is that it's not COVID.
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Well, a sore throat can be caused by just about anything, from atmospheric irritants to post-nasal drip to a virus to bacteria (e.g. strep). I don't think headache is, in and of itself, a symptom of this particular virus, so (and keep in mind, I don't pretend to be a doctor so don't take this as professional medical advice) my suspicion is that it's not COVID.
We should keep in mind that it's spring and pollen is everywhere. I suspect that most of the sore throats and coughing right now are sinus related and have nothing to do with the virus.
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Well, a sore throat can be caused by just about anything, from atmospheric irritants to post-nasal drip to a virus to bacteria (e.g. strep). I don't think headache is, in and of itself, a symptom of this particular virus, so (and keep in mind, I don't pretend to be a doctor so don't take this as professional medical advice) my suspicion is that it's not COVID.
That could be the case. I hope so. God knows with my allergies and the pollen levels, I'm coughing a lot. OTOH, her husband tested positive for it and their townhouse isn’t all that large for the size of their family – 3 adults and 4 kids – hard to social distance. And with my niece and her kids with schools closed, it’s not like they are being exposed to much else.
FWIW - headaches are a common symptom of COVID-19.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-symptoms#1 (https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-symptoms#1)
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@Cyber Liberty
@mountaineer
@musiclady
@Once-Ler
Thanks for the kind words and concerns and prayers. The thing is that my niece and her husband are the type of people who would give you the shirt off their backs if you needed it (I’ve seen them do extraordinary things for other people, me included) but rarely ask anyone else for help.
I can certainly go on shopping runs for them, of course keeping myself distanced since I’m somewhat at a higher risk, dropping it off on their porch.
I got an update that she and her stepson’s tests came back negative. But I find it concerning that she has a headache and sore throat and the girls are complaining about sore throats too. I told her to make sure to get re-tested if she continues to have symptoms or gets worse. I hear way too much about the tests not being all that accurate – more false negatives than false positives. :0001:
@Neverdul When sickness enters my home I become much more aware of every cough, sneeze, and sniffle I have. I also had sympathy back pain when my wife was in labor. I'm not saying your concern isn't justified, just you have lots of reasons to be hopeful, my friend. Your niece's family is blessed to have your support now when they need it so much. Stay strong for them.
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@Neverdul Prayers up for your Niece and the whole Family!
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George W. Bush's powerful message of hope during the coronavirus pandemic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E#)
Beautiful.
About half way through the video turns to color and the audio becomes much clearer. You soon become aware President Bush was speaking behind a facial mask at the beginning.
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05-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.040 ↑ | 2.572 ↓ |
| United States | 2.570 ↑ | 6.697 ↓ |
| China | 16.768 ↑ | 1.067 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 498,030
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 23.5 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.2 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US cases-to-recovery ratio falls below 7 for the first time, while the 14-day recovery deficit approaches half a million. If those 498,000 unresolved cases were counted as recoveries, the case-to-recovery ration would fall to 1.7.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXDkFoTWAAAafGs.jpg)
It does not look like deaths are falling. It looks like they have plateaued.
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Why are Connecticut's COVID numbers so high? (https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-connecticut-death-rate-covid-20200501-t47wbjyqebc5hcqrzcsthkv7fu-story.html)
Interesting article about the incredibly high numbers and death rates in Connecticut.
Don't know anything about the validity, but the objective stuff is accurate.
@Fishrrman
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Why are Connecticut's COVID numbers so high? (https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-connecticut-death-rate-covid-20200501-t47wbjyqebc5hcqrzcsthkv7fu-story.html)
Interesting article about the incredibly high numbers and death rates in Connecticut.
Don't know anything about the validity, but the objective stuff is accurate.
@Fishrrman
@Fishrrman
Anybody have any idea why this is? Isn't Ct one of those mostly yuppie and rich states that knows more than the rest of us,and can afford pretty decent health care?
Also,doesn't it mostly have smaller and cleaner cities than most states?
After all,that's where all the REAL NY'rs live.
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@Fishrrman
Anybody have any idea why this is? Isn't Ct one of those mostly yuppie and rich states that knows more than the rest of us,and can afford pretty decent health care?
Also,doesn't it mostly have smaller and cleaner cities than most states?
After all,that's where all the REAL NY'rs live.
I trudged through the article, and there is some semblence of plausibility in how at least they are reporting their "numbers"...
(1) and most of all.... They may be padding their numbers by reporting "probable" deaths vs. proven via proper cornoner review methods.
(2) Proximity to NY
(3) Claims that their social distancing requirements were implemented later than other areas.
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Surprised a dedicated thread hasn't been created for W's comments around the so called "bi-partisanship" concerns around the pandemic.
My $.02?
What W may be saying may sound like it would have merit on the surface, what he has failed to notice, or acknowledge is the extreme level of what the dim party has done to exploit this disease for political gain. Wonder what his malfunction is? Still in jeb revenge mode?
Very disappointed in him.. These comments undermine the POTUS.
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Surprised a dedicated thread hasn't been created for W's comments around the so called "bi-partisanship" concerns around the pandemic.
My $.02?
What W may be saying may sound like it would have merit on the surface, what he has failed to notice, or acknowledge is the extreme level of what the dim party has done to exploit this disease for political gain. Wonder what his malfunction is?
@catfish1957
I don't. He is a burnt-out cokehead and drunk,and wasn't all that bright to begin with. He's dumber than dirt now.
Plus,it looks like Babs didn't tell anyone where she hid the lockbox holding his balls.
Probably be a nice guy to have for a neighbor if it weren't for all the SS guys running around,but he just flat SUCKED as a President.
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Wonder what his malfunction is?
Following Jesus again.
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I trudged through the article, and there is some semblence of plausibility in how at least they are reporting their "numbers"...
(1) and most of all.... They may be padding their numbers by reporting "probable" deaths vs. proven via proper cornoner review methods.
(2) Proximity to NY
(3) Claims that their social distancing requirements were implemented later than other areas.
Regarding the "probable" deaths vs. the proven deaths by COVID....... since the CDC changed the numbers, Ohio has posted both so you can see what the difference is.
As of today, here are our death numbers....
957- Confirmed Deaths 81- CDC Expanded Death Definition (Probable) 1,038 -Total Deaths
You can make up your own mind as to whether or not the difference is significant.
I find it helpful to know both numbers, and tend to go only by the confirmed number in both cases and deaths.
I don't know if Connecticut provides both in their own state information.
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George W. Bush's powerful message of hope during the coronavirus pandemic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E#)
Beautiful.
About half way through the video turns to color and the audio becomes much clearer. You soon become aware President Bush was speaking behind a facial mask at the beginning.
A message from President George Bush. My first response was why? He is no longer the President, so why does he feel the need to make this announcement? No. Not necessary. Now ... IF Clinton Bush and Obama would have made an announcement together, praising Trump and wishing America well, that would be completely different.
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A message from President George Bush. My first response was why? He is no longer the President, so why does he feel the need to make this announcement? No. Not necessary. Now ... IF Clinton Bush and Obama would have made an announcement together, praising Trump and wishing America well, that would be completely different.
Never been a Bush basher... voted for them 7 times. However, this video was counterproductive, and undermines the POTUS efforts.
Bi-partisan my ASS!!!! The dims have become the ultimate politcal opportunist, and have exploited this crisis for maximum gain. If W is too dumb to realize that, then he sure as hell has lost it as far as I am concerned.
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Following Jesus again.
@Once-Ler
Well,if your only options are following Jesus or Jack Daniels,which one would you pick?
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Never been a Bush basher... voted for them 7 times. However, this video was counterproductive, and undermines the POTUS efforts.
Bi-partisan my ASS!!!! The dims have become the ultimate politcal opportunist, and have exploited this crisis for maximum gain. If W is too dumb to realize that, then he sure as hell has lost it as far as I am concerned.
I'm not quite sure why or who compelled him to make this statement. IF he indeed came up with the idea to make this statement on his own, does he perhaps think because he was faced with 9-11 his reassurance is needed?? I don't know.
Yes, it sure seems like his intent was to undermine our President, and if that was his intent; shame on him!
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E#)
What a self-serving crock of shit. Just when I think my opinion of Shrub can't sink any lower ... the pissant proves me wrong.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E#)
What a self-serving crock of shit. Just when I think my opinion of Shrub can't sink any lower ... the pissant proves me wrong.
So typical of Trump Lovers, @Right_in_Virginia . GWB and I broke ranks when he endorsed Dewherst instead of Cruz in 2012. I can take him or leave him.
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So typical of Trump Lovers, @Right_in_Virginia . GWB and I broke ranks when he endorsed Dewherst instead of Cruz in 2012. I can take him or leave him.
What's the point of your gratuitous slam at supporters of the President @corbe
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What's the point of your gratuitous slam at supporters of the President @corbe
You paint with a broad brush @Right_in_Virginia I did not 'slam' Trump Supporters, I spoke directly to Trump Lovers there is A Difference. I happen to be a supporter more times than not, lately, but it's highly unlikely I'll ever Love him like some of you do here.
If the shoe fits, wear it, with pride and distintion. ****sheep****
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You paint with a broad brush @Right_in_Virginia I did not 'slam' Trump Supporters, I spoke directly to Trump Lovers there is A Difference. I happen to be a supporter more times than not, lately, but it's highly unlikely I'll ever Love him like some of you do here.
If the shoe fits, wear it, with pride and distintion. ****sheep****
Ping me when you're ready to make some sense. Thanks @corbe
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OK
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Following Jesus again.
The one who cleans the pool, or the one who could walk on it?
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Regarding the "probable" deaths vs. the proven deaths by COVID....... since the CDC changed the numbers, Ohio has posted both so you can see what the difference is.
As of today, here are our death numbers....
957- Confirmed Deaths 81- CDC Expanded Death Definition (Probable) 1,038 -Total Deaths
You can make up your own mind as to whether or not the difference is significant.
I find it helpful to know both numbers, and tend to go only by the confirmed number in both cases and deaths.
I don't know if Connecticut provides both in their own state information.
It's a roughly 10% bump, same in the breakdown in our state where 2 are listed of having been positive for COVISD-19 but have other official causes of death listed.
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I'm in Fairfield county CT.
From the article about why the virus has hit CT so hard:
"McGee noted that Connecticut’s black and Latino populations, largely concentrated in densely populated areas, have been disproportionately susceptible to COVID-19, likely due to underlying health disparities."
What they DON'T mention is that -- at least in my observation -- the Hispanics (there are many MANY illegals here) aren't particularly concerned about social separation or taking precautions to prevent the spread of the virus. They're out there partying right now.
So... it's not necessarily "health disparities" ... it's a disparity in behavior.
I sense this plays a role in the number of infections in blacks, as well.
I reckon it's going to be at least July before we see the "R0" rate for new infections here drop to the point where one no longer needs to fear picking up the infection while out and about amongst groups of people. I'll certainly limit my trips out and will keep using the mask and gloves until then...
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I'm in Fairfield county CT.
From the article about why the virus has hit CT so hard:
"McGee noted that Connecticut’s black and Latino populations, largely concentrated in densely populated areas, have been disproportionately susceptible to COVID-19, likely due to underlying health disparities."
What they DON'T mention is that -- at least in my observation -- the Hispanics (there are many MANY illegals here) aren't particularly concerned about social separation or taking precautions to prevent the spread of the virus. They're out there partying right now.
So... it's not necessarily "health disparities" ... it's a disparity in behavior.
I sense this plays a role in the number of infections in blacks, as well.
I reckon it's going to be at least July before we see the "R0" rate for new infections here drop to the point where one no longer needs to fear picking up the infection while out and about amongst groups of people. I'll certainly limit my trips out and will keep using the mask and gloves until then...
Yep. But Liberals/Leftists never blame individuals for their own behaviour, especially 'protected' ones.
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What's the average life span of a viral outbreak? I tried to find an answer online, and thought maybe someone here knows.
Won't this virus start to die out on its own long before a vaccine is devised? And what's the use of a vaccine for Covid-19 in 18 months when we'll be dealing with China's most recent virus by then (Covid-21 or 22)?
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I'm not quite sure why or who compelled him to make this statement. IF he indeed came up with the idea to make this statement on his own, does he perhaps think because he was faced with 9-11 his reassurance is needed?? I don't know.
Yes, it sure seems like his intent was to undermine our President, and if that was his intent; shame on him!
Dubya undermined the President with a message of unity during a national crisis? You people are not being challenged enough. Your cognative skills have atrophied into a cesspool of hate. Dubya's heart compelled him to make the statement. I pity anyone who can't see it.
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What's the average life span of a viral outbreak? I tried to find an answer online, and thought maybe someone here knows.
Won't this virus start to die out on its own long before a vaccine is devised? And what's the use of a vaccine for Covid-19 in 18 months when we'll be dealing with China's most recent virus by then (Covid-21 or 22)?
Not entirely sure. This is a slower virus in general.
I know in New York, virus hospitalizations statewide have already fallen back down to where they were at the start of the lockdowns. That was 40 days ago or so.
But the fear that the so-called "experts" are pushing is based on the concept of the second wave, as if the virus will spontaneously reappear. That's not how viruses work. Even an endemic virus such as the flu is usually a different strain each year. The only known virus related to this one was SARS—whose much briefer second wave came two years after the first, which in turn had disappeared so thoroughly that they never finished work on the vaccine for it.
Of course, the excuse they are using for this, the 1918 flu, was a confluence of circumstances involving World War I. I could probably write a whole essay on this topic.
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And, @jmyrlefuller --as I have so frequently been reminded by a couple of folks here--this isn't the flu. Which is right, of course, there are some 144 possible combinations of Hemagglutinin and Neuraminidase (The 'H' and 'N') in the Flu, some of which don't affect us, some of which are deadly. (Then there are subclades from there). The annual shots are based on an H and an N, and spin the wheel to see if either is in this year's strain...(usually from China).
We don't know if there will be a second wave of SARS-CoV-2, but the early onset treatments, H/A/Z (Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc Sulfate) or Remdesivir seem to be the best bet at keeping the SARS-CoV-2 at bay.
Most tests of Hydroxychloroquine and even hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin that have been heavily reported in the MSM (notably the VA study), left out the Zinc, which is essential to stopping viral replication, and the zinc ionophore effect of the hydroxychloroquine is the reason to use the hydroxychloroquine in the first place: to get the zinc into the Type 1 pneumocytes, the lung cells the virus targets, the ones which do the oxygen/CO2 exchange with the blood. Kill enough of those and a few nasty things happen, kill too many and the patient likely won't make it.
As a contraindication, Hydroxychloroquine lengthens the Q-T interval on an ecg, the time between contraction and full relaxation for the next contraction in the ventricles. Too long, and there is a high probability of ventricular fibrillation, and if not treated promptly, that can lead to full cardiac arrest and death. Folks with some types of heart problems might not want to use it because of that risk.
These regimens are not as effective in advanced presentations because the virus has already replicated to the point where the patient is more critical, suffering severe pulmonary problems, and HAPE protocols (For High Altitude Pulmonary Edema) in concert with one of the above (to stop the virus from doing even more damage) may be more effective in advanced cases.
There may be other zinc ionophores and sources, like Quercentin and Zinc Gluconate, commonly available supplements that may provide some resistance to the virus as well, although no testing of off the shelf supplements has been made. The trend seems to be toward more complex and expensive solutions. Not being a doctor nor a biochemist, I can't and won't make any medical claims for those, but I take them.
Strategies include: Stopping the virus from reproducing (thus limiting (lung) cell damage and cell death), and dealing with any lung damage it has been able to effect. If it is stopped early, the latter is not such a problem.
If=>
We have an effective early treatment regimen (or better yet, more than one)
We know what symptoms to watch for
We have the means to get fairly rapid test results
Then the disease can be dealt with in otherwise healthy people on a case by case basis as it happens.
If necessary, out breaks can be contained, much as any other outbreak of infectious diseases.
and the rest of the country can go back to work and life, wearing whatever PPE they find appropriate.
Once again, I'm not a doctor, nor a pharmacologist, nor do I claim any knowledge other than what I have acquired through research on the web of peer reviewed articles and other sources. I would caution anyone to do their due diligence if they think they are at risk of catching this bug, and even if they aren't. (you never know)
This thing could bounce around through hotspots globally, and even within the country, for a while.
We learned to live with the threat of absolute nuclear annihilation, I think we can live around the bug, too.
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Thanks, jmyrle and Joe for your responses. So nice to stick to the subject at hand!
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Dubya undermined the President with a message of unity during a national crisis? You people are not being challenged enough. Your cognative skills have atrophied into a cesspool of hate. Dubya's heart compelled him to make the statement. I pity anyone who can't see it.
Wow ... thanks so much for clearing everything up for me ... *****rollingeyes***** You can sing praise about 'W' all you want ... his last 4 years = a disaster. He is no longer the President ... he should be assisting Trump in order to help this country, not undermine him -- anyone that can't see that has blinders on.
As for my 'cognitive' skills ... well, at least I can spell the word correctly.
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Thanks, jmyrle and Joe for your responses. So nice to stick to the subject at hand!
Thanks!
We will return to the regularly scheduled spitting contest in (oh, heck we're already there!) :shrug:
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I'm in Fairfield county CT.
From the article about why the virus has hit CT so hard:
"McGee noted that Connecticut’s black and Latino populations, largely concentrated in densely populated areas, have been disproportionately susceptible to COVID-19, likely due to underlying health disparities."
What they DON'T mention is that -- at least in my observation -- the Hispanics (there are many MANY illegals here) aren't particularly concerned about social separation or taking precautions to prevent the spread of the virus. They're out there partying right now.
So... it's not necessarily "health disparities" ... it's a disparity in behavior.
I sense this plays a role in the number of infections in blacks, as well.
I reckon it's going to be at least July before we see the "R0" rate for new infections here drop to the point where one no longer needs to fear picking up the infection while out and about amongst groups of people. I'll certainly limit my trips out and will keep using the mask and gloves until then...
Stay safe @Fishrrman !
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Not entirely sure. This is a slower virus in general.
I don't know if that is right, considering the now burgeoning discovery of in-the-wild anti-bodies... Been and gone already... That means what, at least a ten day progression before the fact, and maybe a month or more. Shoot, they're thinkin this thing shot though the west coast some time in December, and they are in a second phase now.
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Wow ... thanks so much for clearing everything up for me ...
My pleasure.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7b42d0f5 (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7b42d0f5)
The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.
As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from the coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.
The projections, based on government modeling pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.
The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, not much has changed. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.
“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,†Scott Gottlieb, Mr. Trump’s former commissioner of food and drugs, said Sunday on the CBS program Face the Nation. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that.â€
more at link
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7b42d0f5 (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7b42d0f5)
The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.
more at link
The White House responded that the new projections had not been vetted.
“This is not a White House document nor has it been presented to the Coronavirus Task Force or gone through interagency vetting,†said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “This data is not reflective of any of the modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed.â€
“The president’s phased guidelines to open up America again are a scientific driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,†he said.
Mr. Gottlieb said Americans “may be facing the prospect that 20,000, 30,000 new cases a day diagnosed becomes the new normal.â€
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“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,†Scott Gottlieb, Mr. Trump’s former commissioner of food and drugs, said Sunday on the CBS program Face the Nation. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that.â€
In other words, it didn't work. All this trouble, and the only place that had a major drop was New York City.
I said it earlier and I'll repeat it. There is no rationale to keep this charade going for months. If it works, infections go down, the virus dies out and we are free. If it doesn't work, then there's no point making people suffer through a failed policy.
"But people will die," the Blarin' Karens scream. Well, as was written in Fight Club, on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. If I have an elderly relative, let's say over 80... if she dies of COVID because I visit her and made her happy, she dies a happy woman. If I cannot visit her, and she dies of a broken heart, she dies miserable and alone. Which way would I rather have her die? Why should I be held guilty for an airborne virus? I mean, if I walked in there with a fever and coughing up a lung, that might be one thing, but at some point it becomes insulting.
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In other words, it didn't work. All this trouble, and the only place that had a major drop was New York City.
I said it earlier and I'll repeat it. There is no rationale to keep this charade going for months. If it works, infections go down, the virus dies out and we are free. If it doesn't work, then there's no point making people suffer through a failed policy.
"But people will die," the Blarin' Karens scream. Well, as was written in Fight Club, on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. If I have an elderly relative, let's say over 80... if she dies of COVID because I visit her and made her happy, she dies a happy woman. If I cannot visit her, and she dies of a broken heart, she dies miserable and alone. Which way would I rather have her die? Why should I be held guilty for an airborne virus? I mean, if I walked in there with a fever and coughing up a lung, that might be one thing, but at some point it becomes insulting.
You are absolutely correct. 'They' are trying to supposedly save the lives of the most vulnerable and in doing so they are taking away their access to their families and vice-versa. Grams and Gramps dying of a broken heart I think is much more serious than this virus.
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You are absolutely correct. 'They' are trying to supposedly save the lives of the most vulnerable and in doing so they are taking away their access to their families and vice-versa. Grams and Gramps dying of a broken heart I think is much more serious than this virus.
I think people need to keep in mind that it was the hospitals and nursing homes that restricted visitation before any form of government mandated it.
It is the nature of an highly infectious disease that health care workers and hospitals want to protect others from getting it.
When the restrictions are removed by governments, the hospitals will continue to protect their patients and their patients' families......... so people with COVID will likely continue to die alone.
I think the frustration that many are feeling about restrictions should be understood for what it is. Frustration with the disease itself.
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You are absolutely correct. 'They' are trying to supposedly save the lives of the most vulnerable and in doing so they are taking away their access to their families and vice-versa. Grams and Gramps dying of a broken heart I think is much more serious than this virus.
I think it's a test. Some say we failed because we didn't have protest marches on day 1, but I say we passed because it's becoming more obvious by the day we won't tolerate it for long.
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"But people will die," the Blarin' Karens scream. Well, as was written in Fight Club, on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
I'm convinced. No more seat-belts or exercise for me /sarc
Seriously @jmyrlefuller I think that is a flawed argument. The President's 15 day, and 30 day pause were so our healthcare system could catch up with the virus. It bought time to build beds, and buy PPE and ventilators. It did work. NY cases have dropped significantly. Now infections and deaths are rising in other area, and the supplies we have replenished can be utilized in those areas to reduce deaths.
I fear the states opening back up before it was safe, like GA, will once again have to shut down to protect their population before they are forced to. The well run states don't want to be burdened by the irresponsible states, and eventually the states themselves are going to have to ban travel to states with renewed epidemics.
We'll likely have a better idea how well reducing restrictions worked in a few weeks.
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I think it's a test. Some say we failed because we didn't have protest marches on day 1, but I say we passed because it's becoming more obvious by the day we won't tolerate it for long.
Exactly, so what's the point in staying healthy and living if it also means living in fear of dying and not being able to see your loved ones?
Meanwhile ... the projected models are showing an increase in deaths. Obviously, the more people that are exposed to this virus, there will be deaths. That's a given. IMHO whether or not you die from a heart attack, cancer, or some other ailment, you will be counted as a COVID-19 victim right now. There are cases of the elderly who have survived this. Personally, I would rather hug my kids and my grandkids and die with a humongous smile on my face then live and not be able to hug them.
Coronavirus model projects 134,000 deaths in US, nearly double its last estimate
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html)
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Coronavirus model projects 134,000 deaths in US, nearly double its last estimate
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html)
I'm not buying the "estimates." The models have proven worse than useless, as it created the panic and drives the "science" being used to deprive us of our constitutional rights. They're upping the estimates because they are trying to stop Governors from lifting their unconstitutional restrictions.
the "lockdowns" served their purpose, it gave hospitals a chance to beef up their inventories. They have done so, to the point they have spit-masks to spare now. They still are not available for the public, and you still can't buy Purell from Amazon.
(Those masks they keep showing people wearing are not designed to filter out Rona, they are designed to catch spittle from sick people. The homemade ones don't even do that.)
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I'm not buying the "estimates." The models have proven worse than useless, as it created the panic and drives the "science" being used to deprive us of our constitutional rights. They're upping the estimates because they are trying to stop Governors from lifting their unconstitutional restrictions.
the "lockdowns" served their purpose, it gave hospitals a chance to beef up their inventories. They have done so, to the point they have spit-masks to spare now. They still are not available for the public, and you still can't buy Purell from Amazon.
(Those masks they keep showing people wearing are not designed to filter out Rona, they are designed to catch spittle from sick people. The homemade ones don't even do that.)
Like I said about the graph early on, "Oh look, the virus has it's own hockey stick."
The models are based on estimates and extrapolations from incomplete and possibly flawed (intentionally) data.
It is highly likely the denominator ( number of cases) is grossly low, and the numerator (number of deaths) has been inflated.
GIGO
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I'm convinced. No more seat-belts or exercise for me /sarc
Seriously @jmyrlefuller I think that is a flawed argument. The President's 15 day, and 30 day pause were so our healthcare system could catch up with the virus. It bought time to build beds, and buy PPE and ventilators. It did work. NY cases have dropped significantly. Now infections and deaths are rising in other area, and the supplies we have replenished can be utilized in those areas to reduce deaths.
I fear the states opening back up before it was safe, like GA, will once again have to shut down to protect their population before they are forced to. The well run states don't want to be burdened by the irresponsible states, and eventually the states themselves are going to have to ban travel to states with renewed epidemics.
We'll likely have a better idea how well reducing restrictions worked in a few weeks.
I don't disagree with you on that—and to an extent I was being facetious. There are places like New York where it has worked very well. But even in New York State, you see a disparity. On one hand, New York City is working great. But go upstate to Buffalo, and they've been stuck on a plateau, if not a slight increase, for weeks now. This despite the same policies, the same timing, and as far as we can tell, the same compliance. So what's the difference? Is more of Buffalo's workforce "essential" and unable to work from home? NYC certainly has a lot of workers working white-collar jobs that can be done from home, which isn't true for a lot of metro areas, and the health care industry seems to have a bigger impact on Buffalo's economy, putting more of their denizens at risk. Do more Buffalonians live with their extended families?
You see that in a lot of places where the initial impact was not as hard as it was in NYC, especially on the West Coast. That's another trouble when it comes to looking at nationwide numbers: this virus did not hit the country all at once. You're seeing a bunch of little curves pop up at different times.
But you look at NYC, and it took an extraordinary effort—and possibly a small amount of herd immunity from starting the process so late—to achieve the results they did.
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05-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.133 ↑ | 2.553 ↓ |
| United States | 2.599 ↑ | 6.665 ↓ |
| China | 16.774 ↑ | 1.066 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 516,971
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 23.3 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 31.8 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Pay attention. I've told you this before.
A SARS vaccine was developed in response to the 2002 outbreak, but was never sold since public health measures got the disease under control before it was ready.
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Pay attention. I've told you this before.
A SARS vaccine was developed in response to the 2002 outbreak, but was never sold since public health measures got the disease under control before it was ready.
That's true. It's true of many "orphan" drugs that have been developed and tested over the years.
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That's true. It's true of many "orphan" drugs that have been developed and tested over the years.
They have had enough time to come up with a vaccine. By the time they do, it will also be an orphan. Not that it matters. I wouldn't take it anyway.
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They have had enough time to come up with a vaccine. By the time they do, it will also be an orphan. Not that it matters. I wouldn't take it anyway.
Me neither.
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Me neither.
According to articles that's I've been reading -- states (FL for one) will be mandating everyone getting the vaccine, or they will have to be quarantined .... we all know what that has been like. We've been under house arrest for over a month.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/02/fact-check-florida-could-order-covid-19-vaccination-but-not-right-now/3043319001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/02/fact-check-florida-could-order-covid-19-vaccination-but-not-right-now/3043319001/)
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/04/22/anti-vaccine-advocates-urge-abbott-against-mandating-coronavirus-vaccine/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/04/22/anti-vaccine-advocates-urge-abbott-against-mandating-coronavirus-vaccine/)
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According to articles that's I've been reading -- states (FL for one) will be mandating everyone getting the vaccine, or they will have to be quarantined .... we all know what that has been like. We've been under house arrest for over a month.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/02/fact-check-florida-could-order-covid-19-vaccination-but-not-right-now/3043319001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/02/fact-check-florida-could-order-covid-19-vaccination-but-not-right-now/3043319001/)
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/04/22/anti-vaccine-advocates-urge-abbott-against-mandating-coronavirus-vaccine/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/04/22/anti-vaccine-advocates-urge-abbott-against-mandating-coronavirus-vaccine/)
Without testing for antibodies?
Oh, that will make someone feel great. Not to mention the additives.
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I fear the states opening back up before it was safe, like GA, will once again have to shut down to protect their population before they are forced to. The well run states don't want to be burdened by the irresponsible states, and eventually the states themselves are going to have to ban travel to states with renewed epidemics.
We'll likely have a better idea how well reducing restrictions worked in a few weeks.
It really doesn't matter. Reality must assert itself. You don't work, you don't eat. You don't work for months you die. Doesn't matter if the full weight of the federal government wants it otherwise or not.
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Without testing for antibodies?
Oh, that will make someone feel great. Not to mention the additives.
I see a mandatory vaccine for this as frightening. Now that we've been under house arrest, we'll be threatened to either get the vaccine or be quarantined. I see a whole lot of civil unrest on the horizon and its very difficult these days to remain positive.
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I see a mandatory vaccine for this as frightening. Now that we've been under house arrest, we'll be threatened to either get the vaccine or be quarantined. I see a whole lot of civil unrest on the horizon and its very difficult these days to remain positive.
You may be right. I haven't had a vaccine since my last tetanus shot, and that has been a while.
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I see a mandatory vaccine for this as frightening. Now that we've been under house arrest, we'll be threatened to either get the vaccine or be quarantined. I see a whole lot of civil unrest on the horizon and its very difficult these days to remain positive.
I will not comply. I don't have to, because I'm retired. Go ahead and tell me I cant go anywhere...I don't want to! I'm happy in my little Castle!
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I will not comply. I don't have to, because I'm retired. Go ahead and tell me I cant go anywhere...I don't want to! I'm happy in my little Castle!
Me neither. Mark-of-the-beast sh*t goin on here. Not gonna happen.
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Me neither. Mark-of-the-beast sh*t goin on here. Not gonna happen.
Seems to me us old codgers have earned the right to do whatever we damned well please.
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Seems to me us old codgers have earned the right to do whatever we damned well please.
Not quite yet. Can't poop myself in public. Gotta wait another twenty years or so for that... So I satisfy myself with the ol 'Pull my finger' trick. :laugh:
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I will not comply. I don't have to, because I'm retired. Go ahead and tell me I cant go anywhere...I don't want to! I'm happy in my little Castle!
I hear where you're coming from ... but they could easily shut off your social security ... the state could shut off your pension $$ that you may be getting ... they could also freeze your assets and investments ... all this we take for granted that they wouldn't do because it would be unconstitutional and illegal ... but so is putting all of us under house arrest which they just did. Just sayin'.
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I hear where you're coming from ... but they could easily shut off your social security ... the state could shut off your pension $$ that you may be getting ... they could also freeze your assets and investments ... all this we take for granted that they wouldn't do because it would be unconstitutional and illegal ... but so is putting all of us under house arrest which they just did. Just sayin'.
Sure they could do that with SS. If they were to go so far as to say one can't live without a vaccine, my little voice will be the last of their worries.
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Not quite yet. Can't poop myself in public. Gotta wait another twenty years or so for that... So I satisfy myself with the ol 'Pull my finger' trick. :laugh:
You can poop yourself in public if you move to San Francisco. It's encouraged on Castro. :tongue2:
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I hear where you're coming from ... but they could easily shut off your social security ... the state could shut off your pension $$ that you may be getting ... they could also freeze your assets and investments ... all this we take for granted that they wouldn't do because it would be unconstitutional and illegal ... but so is putting all of us under house arrest which they just did. Just sayin'.
Yeah. But they can't shut off the Bank of Ball and Mason. I need a shovel and a map to make a withdrawal, but silver's making better money sitting in the ground than I have ever made from a bank.
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Sure they could do that with SS. If they were to go so far as to say one can't live without a vaccine, my little voice will be the last of their worries.
Perhaps not. This is another possible scenario; IF they do decide to make vaccines mandatory, or else be quarantined; will we be quarantined in our homes or will we be mandated to quarantine in a gov't facility for the protection of others? Those that don't comply will be dealt with quietly and swiftly until the public catches on and by that time, it will be too late.
I know by now you're raising your eyebrows and shaking your head but I am reflecting back on several different supposed conspiracy theories over the past decade --- American gulags, Jade Helm, U.N. hubs within the U.S., etc, etc... they seem to fit quite nicely into this scenario.
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Yeah. But they can't shut off the Bank of Ball and Mason. I need a shovel and a map to make a withdrawal, but silver's making better money sitting in the ground than I have ever made from a bank.
@roamer_1 You are much better situated and prepared than most. I've prepared to a degree as well, but my mistake was hesitating to move out of the area into someplace secluded and remote as I opted to stay close to family. That doesn't look to be working out so well now.
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Perhaps not. This is another possible scenario; IF they do decide to make vaccines mandatory, or else be quarantined; will we be quarantined in our homes or will we be mandated to quarantine in a gov't facility for the protection of others? Those that don't comply will be dealt with quietly and swiftly until the public catches on and by that time, it will be too late.
I know by now you're raising your eyebrows and shaking your head but I am reflecting back on several different supposed conspiracy theories over the past decade --- American gulags, Jade Helm, U.N. hubs within the U.S., etc, etc... they seem to fit quite nicely into this scenario.
They'll play hell with it in the West. At least up in here, and in the high desert. Probably the prairie too.Too many folks still know how, and even them in town won't comply. And the governors won't go along - Not if he values his stones.
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They'll play hell with it in the West. At least up in here, and in the high desert. Probably the prairie too.Too many folks still know how, and even them in town won't comply. And the governors won't go along - Not if he values his stones.
We'll just go back to shooting the Revenuers.
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@roamer_1 You are much better situated and prepared than most. I've prepared to a degree as well, but my mistake was hesitating to move out of the area into someplace secluded and remote as I opted to stay close to family. That doesn't look to be working out so well now.
I made a similar choice when I moved to Phoenix. Those reasons all eventually expired, hence the move out of the city when I got a chance to retire.
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They'll play hell with it in the West. At least up in here, and in the high desert. Probably the prairie too.Too many folks still know how, and even them in town won't comply. And the governors won't go along - Not if he values his stones.
888high58888 I won't comply and I won't go down without a fight ... but ... I'm definitely in the wrong part of the country to prevail.
Unfortunately, our very conservative sheriff retired and it certainly looks like our governor is selling us out.
Perhaps I am wrong about all of this and things aren't as dire as I see them.
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I made a similar choice when I moved to Phoenix. Those reasons all eventually expired, hence the move out of the city when I got a chance to retire.
You are fortunate that you made that move.
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@roamer_1 You are much better situated and prepared than most. I've prepared to a degree as well, but my mistake was hesitating to move out of the area into someplace secluded and remote as I opted to stay close to family. That doesn't look to be working out so well now.
If there is a single dang thing I owe my Old Man, it's for tearing us up out of the city in my youth and hauling us all out here, root and branch. It was his thinkin, not my own. Don't get me wrong, he was a thinkin man, and a master of many crafts. I owe him for most of what is in me.
But though he married a pretty little redneck gal, and one that was still putting up, even in Chicago suburbs, this environment was foreign to him, and a lot of it he never did adopt. But because of him, I grew up in my element. And that generational wisdom was an investment in him, that paid off in me.
I would recommend that same thing to you - pick em up and move em out. It won't be perfect, but it will be in the next generation, comin up growin on an acreage with dogs and horses and critters, with hunting and trapping and gardens and canning...
It was incredibly painful at the time, leaving those we love so dearly... But look at what we are. My whole family back there has a foothold in the wilderness. And folks that know how.
Get out of the way of it. It's comin.
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You are fortunate that you made that move.
The timing was God's choice, and it worked out great, as it usually does when I let Him drive.
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We'll just go back to shooting the Revenuers.
LOL! Like that ever quit... :beer:
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888high58888
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888high58888 I won't comply and I won't go down without a fight ... but ... I'm definitely in the wrong part of the country to prevail.
Unfortunately, our very conservative sheriff retired and it certainly looks like our governor is selling us out.
Perhaps I am wrong about all of this and things aren't as dire as I see them.
Appalachia ain't afar, nor are the Ozarks, or the UP...
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Appalachia ain't afar, nor are the Ozarks, or the UP...
I can't imagine 'Bele as a Yooper.
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I can't imagine 'Bele as a Yooper.
Naw. She'd make a Yooper alright... Though she'd be at a language deficit. Yoopers lean heavy across the bridge and toward Canucks for their speech
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I can't imagine 'Bele as a Yooper.
Yes, and you would be correct -- been up in the UP several times and its beautiful -- but way too cold. Both of us hated Michigan and fate caused us to move to FL. As for family -- for the most part it's unfortunately irrevocably destroyed, so really no longer a factor other than deep emotional ties.
Yes, we've thought about both the Ozarks and Northern Georgia; we've been to the Ozarks, but never been to Blue Ridge Mts. ...
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Aye, ya, ya .... you made me laugh. Thank you.
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Naw. She'd make a Yooper alright... Though she'd be at a language deficit. Yoopers lean heavy across the bridge and toward Canucks for their speech
That's a heckuva bridge across Lake Superior, and Sault Ste. Marie is not exactly part of the Yoopers. Me, I was a Troll, from under the Bridge (Mackinac). We had Windsor, Ontario across the St. Clair from Deetroit.
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Yes, and you would be correct -- been up in the UP several times and its beautiful -- but way too cold. Both of us hated Michigan and fate caused us to move to FL. As for family -- for the most part it's unfortunately irrevocably destroyed, so really no longer a factor other than deep emotional ties.
Yes, we've thought about both the Ozarks and Northern Georgia; we've been to the Ozarks, but never been to Blue Ridge Mts. ...
My brother live in Marquette for a few years, in the early 80's. He left there and ended up on Oahu for as long as I lived in Phoenix.
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Yes, and you would be correct -- been up in the UP several times and its beautiful -- but way too cold. Both of us hated Michigan and fate caused us to move to FL. As for family -- for the most part it's unfortunately irrevocably destroyed, so really no longer a factor other than deep emotional ties.
Yes, we've thought about both the Ozarks and Northern Georgia; we've been to the Ozarks, but never been to Blue Ridge Mts. ...
Ah, and maybe the Big Swamp too... FL might tolerate that more than I... I don't do gators and poisonous snakes... And naturally look to the hills (whence cometh my help) ... Different thinkin.
But the Ozarks... That's somethin. A whole lot of hillbillies and homesteaders all up in there. maybe not as enclaved as Appalachia is likely getting. But for me, there is nothin but the wide open West, and the hillbilly heaven that is these Rocky Mountains.
Here, and the big swamp, will be the last to fall.
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That's a heckuva bridge across Lake Superior, and Sault Ste. Marie is not exactly part of the Yoopers. Me, I was a Troll, from under the Bridge (Mackinac). We had Windsor, Ontario across the St. Clair from Deetroit.
I meant the Mack... Yoopers sound more Wisconsin/Minnesota than they do Detroit/Anne Arbor.
And with that comes a lot of Canada in the language...Just like here.
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Funny seeing Mackinac spelled out btw... I forget.
It's Mackinaw out here.
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We The People
That is what needs to be pounded into people's heads.
No one should feel like they need to run. Not anymore.
We are fast approaching the point where there will be no place to run to. No place to hide.
Screw it.
I AM SPARTACUS.
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I meant the Mack... Yoopers sound more Wisconsin/Minnesota than they do Detroit/Anne Arbor.
And with that comes a lot of Canada in the language...Just like here.
Ja.
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Funny seeing Mackinac spelled out btw... I forget.
It's Mackinaw out here.
That's the fudge factory...lol It's spelt Mackinac.
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That's the fudge factory...lol It's spelt Mackinac.
Nope. Different.
The native lake trout here is called Namaycootsh (sp?) by the Salish... But it's a Mackinaw to everyone else. Same with the coat. Though it is a different thing out here... an Arctic Parka is called a Mackinaw.
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Nope. Different.
The native lake trout here is called Namaycootsh (sp?) by the Salish... But it's a Mackinaw to everyone else. Same with the coat. Though it is a different thing out here... an Arctic Parka is called a Mackinaw.
The name of the city on the LP side of the Bridge is spelt "Mackinaw City." The Bridge and the Island are named "Mackinac." We did that to confuse the tourists.
It's like where I live. It's the Mojave Desert, and the County I live in is named Mohave. Saguaro Cactus is also spelt Sahuaro. tri22
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The name of the city on the LP side of the Bridge is spelt "Mackinaw City." The Bridge and the Island are named "Mackinac." We did that to confuse the tourists.
It's like where I live. It's the Mojave Desert, and the County I live in is named Mohave. Saguaro Cactus is also spelt Sahuaro. tri22
I get that...
The Absaroka range in WY is kinda always spelled the same but said different if you are talking of the range or the county... and said different altogether depending on where you are from. Mostly emphasis I reckon, but different. To complicate the matter, the Wind River country refers roughly to the Absarokas down there... But there's a Wind River country up here too - just east of me over the hump.
It don't matter much up in here, but you get among folks south of here and you have to stop and define things. :)
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I don't disagree with you on that—and to an extent I was being facetious. There are places like New York where it has worked very well. But even in New York State, you see a disparity. On one hand, New York City is working great. But go upstate to Buffalo, and they've been stuck on a plateau, if not a slight increase, for weeks now. This despite the same policies, the same timing, and as far as we can tell, the same compliance. So what's the difference? Is more of Buffalo's workforce "essential" and unable to work from home? NYC certainly has a lot of workers working white-collar jobs that can be done from home, which isn't true for a lot of metro areas, and the health care industry seems to have a bigger impact on Buffalo's economy, putting more of their denizens at risk. Do more Buffalonians live with their extended families?
You see that in a lot of places where the initial impact was not as hard as it was in NYC, especially on the West Coast. That's another trouble when it comes to looking at nationwide numbers: this virus did not hit the country all at once. You're seeing a bunch of little curves pop up at different times.
But you look at NYC, and it took an extraordinary effort—and possibly a small amount of herd immunity from starting the process so late—to achieve the results they did.
Fair enough. Thank you for your reply and stay healthy @jmyrlefuller
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@corbe Lucille looks thirsty. I hope she ain't from Wuhan China.
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I get that...
The Absaroka range in WY is kinda always spelled the same but said different if you are talking of the range or the county... and said different altogether depending on where you are from. Mostly emphasis I reckon, but different. To complicate the matter, the Wind River country refers roughly to the Absarokas down there... But there's a Wind River country up here too - just east of me over the hump.
It don't matter much up in here, but you get among folks south of here and you have to stop and define things. :)
Oh, Mackinac and Mackinaw are pronounced the same. "MACK-in-aw."
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Oh, Mackinac and Mackinaw are pronounced the same. "MACK-in-aw."
Right. I know. Just looks weird as Mackinac, as I said... Mackinaw is common up in here. :beer:
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They'll play hell with it in the West. At least up in here, and in the high desert. Probably the prairie too.Too many folks still know how, and even them in town won't comply. And the governors won't go along - Not if he values his stones.
Don't leave out that those who have hunted are at least good to 3-500 yards. Maybe not as good as some of the snipers out there, but there's roughly 10 million who can handle a rifle reasonably well at a distance, and who have done it for food. Oh, and they know their rifles and optics, too.
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Don't leave out that those who have hunted are at least good to 3-500 yards. Maybe not as good as some of the snipers out there, but there's roughly 10 million who can handle a rifle reasonably well at a distance, and who have done it for food. Oh, and they know their rifles and optics, too.
Yeah... And know the ground they're standing on. Took em 20 year on the bald ass mountains of Afghanistan (with our sons)... How long till the Rockies fall? Shoot, even your badlands. Or the Missouri breaks. A feller can get dug in like a tick.
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Yeah... And know the ground they're standing on. Took em 20 year on the bald ass mountains of Afghanistan (with our sons)... How long till the Rockies fall? Shoot, even your badlands. Or the Missouri breaks. A feller can get dug in like a tick.
Yep.
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05-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.228 ↑ | 2.527 ↓ |
| United States | 2.689 ↑ | 6.450 ↓ |
| China | 16.785 ↑ | 1.066 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 534,811
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 23.7 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 32.5 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Thanks, @Hoodat!
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Seems to me us old codgers have earned the right to do whatever we damned well please.
Like my wife says... I've practiced social distancing for 40 years now. Always called it "personal space".
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7b42d0f5 (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-7b42d0f5)
The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.
more at link
@Once-Ler
We are all adults here,so we should all know by this time that sometimes despite doing everything you can do as well as you can do it,it just won't be good enough.
That's just life in the real world.
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I think the frustration that many are feeling about restrictions should be understood for what it is. Frustration with the disease itself.
@musiclady
Exactly! The frustration that comes from feeling helpless. We,or at least most of us,are raised to believe in the triumph of good over evil,and that we,as Americans,can defeat any wrong,including contagious diseases.
That's just not 100 percent true and a sudden dose of reality is hard for a lot of people to deal with.
The results of being wrong in his case are hard for everyone to deal with.
BUT.....,given a little time,those who survive will get over it,and move on with their normal lives.
It's called "Life in the real world",and this is coming from someone that is in the high-risk category.
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I'm convinced. No more seat-belts or exercise for me /sarc
Seriously @jmyrlefuller I think that is a flawed argument. The President's 15 day, and 30 day pause were so our healthcare system could catch up with the virus. It bought time to build beds, and buy PPE and ventilators. It did work. NY cases have dropped significantly. Now infections and deaths are rising in other area, and the supplies we have replenished can be utilized in those areas to reduce deaths.
I fear the states opening back up before it was safe, like GA, will once again have to shut down to protect their population before they are forced to. The well run states don't want to be burdened by the irresponsible states, and eventually the states themselves are going to have to ban travel to states with renewed epidemics.
We'll likely have a better idea how well reducing restrictions worked in a few weeks.
@Once-Ler
For once,I am in complete agreement with everything you wrote.
You might want to mark this date on your calendar,because it's not likely to happen again.
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Update on my niece and her family.
Saturday her husband was starting to feel better. He’s quarantined in their master bedroom with the en suite bathroom and felt well enough to post on FB. Then Saturday night his fever spiked high again along with a new symptom – nausea. He said the chills (teeth chattering/body shaking chills), the severe body aches and exhaustion are the worst to deal with so far. That and he gets dizzy when walking to the bathroom.
Yesterday she had to take her daughter Lilly to the doctors as she now had a high fever, sore throat, etc. She tested negative for strep and they are waiting on the results of the COVD-19 test. I’m not sure how or where she is quarantining Lilly as she shares a bedroom with one sister and a central bathroom with all four.
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A couple of scientific developments:
Los Alamos has determined that the strain of the virus that hit Wuhan was not the same as the one that ravaged the United States and Europe. The latter, more lethal, appears to have split off in Europe before it arrived here—which would explain why the virus was slower and perceived as less of a threat before March because the earlier, less virulent strain arrived first. (Don't regard the alarmist headline calling it a "new" strain)
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original)
But more recent mutations seem to be destroying the virus, mirroring a similar destruction of the SARS virus, according to Arizona State University.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-mutation-indicates-that-coronavirus-might-be-weakening-study/ (https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-mutation-indicates-that-coronavirus-might-be-weakening-study/)
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A couple of scientific developments:
Los Alamos has determined that the strain of the virus that hit Wuhan was not the same as the one that ravaged the United States and Europe. The latter, more lethal, appears to have split off in Europe before it arrived here—which would explain why the virus was slower and perceived as less of a threat before March because the earlier, less virulent strain arrived first. (Don't regard the alarmist headline calling it a "new" strain)
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original)
But more recent mutations seem to be destroying the virus, mirroring a similar destruction of the SARS virus, according to Arizona State University.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-mutation-indicates-that-coronavirus-might-be-weakening-study/ (https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-mutation-indicates-that-coronavirus-might-be-weakening-study/)
@jmyrlefuller
Thank you for posting that. I heard just a tiny slice of that on the news the other day,but not enough to "put it together".
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@Once-Ler
For once,I am in complete agreement with everything you wrote.
You might want to mark this date on your calendar,because it's not likely to happen again.
@sneakypete done :beer:
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@musiclady
Exactly! The frustration that comes from feeling helpless. We,or at least most of us,are raised to believe in the triumph of good over evil,and that we,as Americans,can defeat any wrong,including contagious diseases.
That's just not 100 percent true and a sudden dose of reality is hard for a lot of people to deal with.
The results of being wrong in his case are hard for everyone to deal with.
BUT.....,given a little time,those who survive will get over it,and move on with their normal lives.
It's called "Life in the real world",and this is coming from someone that is in the high-risk category.
Really good points............. especially the one about not being in control, and feeling helpless.
I think a lot of people tend to want to lash out and blame someone without really centering in on what's to blame.
This is new territory for all of us, and it's just plain hard.
You take care of yourself, @sneakypete .
I hope people around you wear masks, not for themselves, but for you. That's what it's all about.
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Some numbers from CT:
Date Infect Daily Deaths Daily
Total Inc Total Inc
4/28 26,312 315 2,089 77
4/29 26,767 455 2,168 79
4/30 27,700 933 2,257 89
5/1 28,764 1,064 2,339 82
5/2 29,287 523 2,436 97
5/3 29,973 686 2,495 59
5/4 30,173 200 2,556 61
5/5 30,621 448 2,633 77
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Reporting on our trip to the dentist yesterday (we both had appointments, my husband for a crown replacement and me for cleaning and an Xray).
They had the questionnaire on the door going in, asking us not to come in if we had been exposed. They had hand sanitizer in the (downstairs) lobby.
We went upstairs to the reception area where they took our temps. The chairs were spaced for social distancing.
The cleaning was more like the old-fashioned kind because they weren't using the newer spray cleaning because of increased aerosols. The hygienist had a face shield and goggles (temporary until the full ones arrive). The dentist had neither.
We were told that if we had any symptoms show up in the next two weeks, to let them know.
Everybody was very glad to see other people. The dentists were thrilled to get back to work, and overall it was a very positive, almost normal experience.
I would say they complied with the spirit of the guidelines, because in the end, we all want to stay safe.
@mountaineer
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Update on my niece and her family.
Saturday her husband was starting to feel better. He’s quarantined in their master bedroom with the en suite bathroom and felt well enough to post on FB. Then Saturday night his fever spiked high again along with a new symptom – nausea. He said the chills (teeth chattering/body shaking chills), the severe body aches and exhaustion are the worst to deal with so far. That and he gets dizzy when walking to the bathroom.
Yesterday she had to take her daughter Lilly to the doctors as she now had a high fever, sore throat, etc. She tested negative for strep and they are waiting on the results of the COVD-19 test. I’m not sure how or where she is quarantining Lilly as she shares a bedroom with one sister and a central bathroom with all four.
Wow. Prayers up for your family @Neverdul :0001:
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I think a lot of people tend to want to lash out and blame someone without really centering in on what's to blame.
Well,there are a couple of billion people living in China,but not ALL of them are to blame. Besides,there are more than a few 'murikans that gleefully helped this expand so they could exploit it in the hopes that America would die off and be replaced as a cog in the machine to be known as "World Wide Government,Inc".
Which is really just a fancy and complicated way to say "Global Fascism".
You take care of yourself, @sneakypete .
I hope people around you wear masks, not for themselves, but for you. That's what it's all about.
You too,and thanks.
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Some numbers from CT:
Date Infect Daily Deaths Daily
Total Inc Total Inc
4/28 26,312 315 2,089 77
4/29 26,767 455 2,168 79
4/30 27,700 933 2,257 89
5/1 28,764 1,064 2,339 82
5/2 29,287 523 2,436 97
5/3 29,973 686 2,495 59
5/4 30,173 200 2,556 61
5/5 30,621 448 2,633 77
Wow. Those daily increases are consistently high.
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05-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.313 ↑ | 2.498 ↓ |
| United States | 2.776 ↑ | 6.169 ↓ |
| China | 16.804 ↑ | 1.065 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 545,847
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.5 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.1 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Wow. Those daily increases are consistently high.
Same with FL -- I've been keeping track for the past 6 weeks (FL thread) and in one month the numbers of cases have tripled and deaths are 5 times higher.
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Same with FL -- I've been keeping track for the past 6 weeks (FL thread) and in one month the numbers of cases have tripled and deaths are 5 times higher.
Is that because of increased testing or reporting of deaths? Some times the numbers jump because of more information....
Maybe??
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Is that because of increased testing or reporting of deaths? Some times the numbers jump because of more information....
Maybe??
Difficult to tell. Testing has increased which is a good thing, but the FL DOH has changed the way that they calculate information 3 times. We actually hit a new one day record for deaths today.
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Is that because of increased testing or reporting of deaths? Some times the numbers jump because of more information....
Maybe??
@musiclady
Probably due more to a "mature incubation period coming to an end" than anything else.
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Wow. Prayers up for your family @Neverdul :0001:
Thanks @libertybele
I hate that I can’t be there to help out or even just visit to lend moral support.
On the brighter side my niece told me that Lil is quarantined in the bedroom she normally shares with her sister Helen (not sure where Helen is sleeping now, probably in the basement rec room). Anyway, the two normally fight as sisters will, but she said that Lilly and Helen were on their cell phones talking to each other for hours yesterday because they miss each other.
That and a neighbor dropped off ice cream for them. 3333hugs
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A couple of scientific developments:
Los Alamos has determined that the strain of the virus that hit Wuhan was not the same as the one that ravaged the United States and Europe. The latter, more lethal, appears to have split off in Europe before it arrived here—which would explain why the virus was slower and perceived as less of a threat before March because the earlier, less virulent strain arrived first. (Don't regard the alarmist headline calling it a "new" strain)
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original)
But more recent mutations seem to be destroying the virus, mirroring a similar destruction of the SARS virus, according to Arizona State University.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-mutation-indicates-that-coronavirus-might-be-weakening-study/ (https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/new-mutation-indicates-that-coronavirus-might-be-weakening-study/)
Limited access for most of us, but https://www.gisaid.org/ (https://www.gisaid.org/)
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/next-hcov-19-app/ (https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/next-hcov-19-app/)
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Limited access for most of us, but https://www.gisaid.org/ (https://www.gisaid.org/)
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/next-hcov-19-app/ (https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/next-hcov-19-app/)
The dashboard page is pretty cool.
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I noticed a story on The Federalist (which I've been avoiding posting because their track record has perhaps been too optimistic) from the end of March describing the spike in suicides since the lockdowns began. I decided to look and see if there was any update on that.
I did find a few stories:
https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-state-alum-shares-story-childs-suicide-tells-parents-covid-19-isolation-real-2020-may (https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-state-alum-shares-story-childs-suicide-tells-parents-covid-19-isolation-real-2020-may)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/)
"In March and April, deputies responded to 19% more calls about suicidal residents than during the same period last year, most of them since the stay-at-home order went into effect."
https://wwmt.com/news/state-of-mind/state-of-mind-study-shows-michigan-suicides-could-increase-by-32-due-to-covid-19 (https://wwmt.com/news/state-of-mind/state-of-mind-study-shows-michigan-suicides-could-increase-by-32-due-to-covid-19)
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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-caseloads-states-b24899a3-286e-4ea9-bd71-0e88ed645e68.html (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-caseloads-states-b24899a3-286e-4ea9-bd71-0e88ed645e68.html)
Where the virus is spreading fastest
Nicholas Johnston
In addition to keeping an eye on the tragic, and climbing, numbers of total coronavirus cases and deaths across the U.S., it's important to watch how those trends are playing out over time at the state level.
Why it matters: Rising, or falling, numbers of cases is one of the key metrics for determining where mitigation efforts are working and when the economy can begin to reopen.
Click below for interactive image:
https://graphics.axios.com/2020-05-04-us-recent-cases/index.html#amp=1 (https://graphics.axios.com/2020-05-04-us-recent-cases/index.html#amp=1)
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Where the virus is spreading fastest
In States with Democrat governors.
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Thanks @libertybele
I hate that I can’t be there to help out or even just visit to lend moral support.
On the brighter side my niece told me that Lil is quarantined in the bedroom she normally shares with her sister Helen (not sure where Helen is sleeping now, probably in the basement rec room). Anyway, the two normally fight as sisters will, but she said that Lilly and Helen were on their cell phones talking to each other for hours yesterday because they miss each other.
That and a neighbor dropped off ice cream for them. 3333hugs
That is heartwarming. Ice cream always helps.
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05-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.439 ↑ | 2.453 ↓ |
| United States | 2.847 ↑ | 5.931 ↓ |
| China | 16.817 ↑ | 1.063 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 560,937
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 25.1 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.2 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Cases:Recoveries ratio falls below six for the first time.
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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-caseloads-states-b24899a3-286e-4ea9-bd71-0e88ed645e68.html (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-caseloads-states-b24899a3-286e-4ea9-bd71-0e88ed645e68.html)
Where the virus is spreading fastest
Nicholas Johnston
In addition to keeping an eye on the tragic, and climbing, numbers of total coronavirus cases and deaths across the U.S., it's important to watch how those trends are playing out over time at the state level.
Why it matters: Rising, or falling, numbers of cases is one of the key metrics for determining where mitigation efforts are working and when the economy can begin to reopen.
Click below for interactive image:
https://graphics.axios.com/2020-05-04-us-recent-cases/index.html#amp=1 (https://graphics.axios.com/2020-05-04-us-recent-cases/index.html#amp=1)
When the samples from the recent sampling campaign are tested (shortage of materials at present), there may be a spike in NDs totals. Keep in mind that is as much an artifact of the reporting and testing process as representative of any disease spread.
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Thanks @libertybele
I hate that I can’t be there to help out or even just visit to lend moral support.
On the brighter side my niece told me that Lil is quarantined in the bedroom she normally shares with her sister Helen (not sure where Helen is sleeping now, probably in the basement rec room). Anyway, the two normally fight as sisters will, but she said that Lilly and Helen were on their cell phones talking to each other for hours yesterday because they miss each other.
That and a neighbor dropped off ice cream for them. 3333hugs
A new twist on "How can I miss you if you don't go away?"
At least they gain appreciation for each other while they are still young. For many siblings, that doesn't come until one moves or goes off to college.
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Report from UPMC, one of largest healthcare providers in Pennsylvania:
... We indeed saw a steady stream of patients but never “surged.†At peak in mid-April, COVID-19 patients occupied 2% of our 5,500 hospital beds and 48 of our 750 ventilators. Subsequently, admissions have been decreasing with very few patients now coming from the community, almost all now being from nursing homes. Of note, in the 36 UPMC-owned senior facilities we have had zero positive cases.
Our outcomes are similar to the state of Pennsylvania, where the median age of death from COVID-19 is 84 years old. The few younger patients who died all had significant preexisting conditions. Very few children were infected and none died. Minorities in our communities fared equally as well as others, but we know that this is not the case nationally. In sum, this is a disease of the elderly, sick and poor. ...
COVID-19 is a disease that ravages those with preexisting conditions – whether it be immunosenescence of aging or the social determinants of health. We can manage society in the presence of this pathogen if we focus on these preexisting conditions.
What we cannot do, is extended social isolation. ...
Inside UPMC (https://inside.upmc.com/shapiro-economy-roundtable/)
UPDATE: Looks like UPMC has closed down the page since I accessed it a couple hours ago. I wonder why.
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Some numbers from CT:
Date Infect Daily Deaths Daily
Total Inc Total Inc
4/28 26,312 315 2,089 77
4/29 26,767 455 2,168 79
4/30 27,700 933 2,257 89
5/1 28,764 1,064 2,339 82
5/2 29,287 523 2,436 97
5/3 29,973 686 2,495 59
5/4 30,173 200 2,556 61
5/5 30,621 448 2,633 77
Thank you for keeping track @Fishrrman . Stay healthy.
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Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks
by Benedict Carey and James Glanz
May 7, 2020
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/travel-from-new-york-city-seeded-wave-of-u-s-outbreaks/ar-BB13J7Yx (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/travel-from-new-york-city-seeded-wave-of-u-s-outbreaks/ar-BB13J7Yx)
New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.
Geneticists have analyzed and shared more than 2,000 samples of the virus from infected people. As the virus infects new people and replicates, it picks up mutations along the way. (…) Most samples taken in Texas, Ohio, Louisiana, Idaho, Wisconsin and many other states carry distinct mutations that can be traced back to viruses introduced into New York.
(excerpt)
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Maybe NYC was from where we should have restricted travel instead of China?
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Maybe NYC was from where we should have restricted travel instead of China?
In addition to, not instead of.......
Too bad this information was only available after the fact (like almost everything else about this virus).
We could have saved the rest of the country from a lot of illness and death if we had just put a wall around NYC and kept the disease inside.
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In addition to, not instead of.......
Too bad this information was only available after the fact (like almost everything else about this virus).
We could have saved the rest of the country from a lot of illness and death if we had just put a wall around NYC and kept the disease inside.
China could have saved the world a lot of illness, death, and economic despair had they not tried to cover up their lab leak. They sowed the wind, and its harvest time.
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Dr. Marty Makary says monkey research indicates coronavirus vaccine by fall is 'very feasible'
Johns Hopkins University professor of health policy Dr. Marty Makary told "The Story" Thursday that a new study claiming the coronavirus pandemic could last for two years discounts the possibility that a vaccine will exist by the start of next year.
"I did read the study from the University of Minnesota, and it does appear to be accurate. There are no problems, but it does make an assumption that we will not have a vaccine," Makary said. "But there's been many advances in vaccine development. And even in the last two weeks, eight days ago, the Oxford group reported that in monkeys, the monkeys developed a immunogenicity or an antibody. And compared to monkeys who did not have the vaccine, the monkeys with the vaccine did not get the infection."
"That's a major breakthrough," Makary elaborated. "We've never had a vaccine for an RNA virus. So it's very feasible that their plan to get a vaccine by this fall may actually help us with partial herd immunity, which helps us."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-makary-autumn-coronavirus-vaccine-very-feasible (https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-makary-autumn-coronavirus-vaccine-very-feasible)
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Dr. Marty Makary says monkey research indicates coronavirus vaccine by fall is 'very feasible'
Johns Hopkins University professor of health policy Dr. Marty Makary told "The Story" Thursday that a new study claiming the coronavirus pandemic could last for two years discounts the possibility that a vaccine will exist by the start of next year.
"I did read the study from the University of Minnesota, and it does appear to be accurate. There are no problems, but it does make an assumption that we will not have a vaccine," Makary said. "But there's been many advances in vaccine development. And even in the last two weeks, eight days ago, the Oxford group reported that in monkeys, the monkeys developed a immunogenicity or an antibody. And compared to monkeys who did not have the vaccine, the monkeys with the vaccine did not get the infection."
"That's a major breakthrough," Makary elaborated. "We've never had a vaccine for an RNA virus. So it's very feasible that their plan to get a vaccine by this fall may actually help us with partial herd immunity, which helps us."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-makary-autumn-coronavirus-vaccine-very-feasible (https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-makary-autumn-coronavirus-vaccine-very-feasible)
Great. All the monkeys will be safe...
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Great. All the monkeys will be safe...
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"The fools! Don't they know this how we got Godzilla??" (Me, right after the Japanese Earthquake and they released all that water into the ocean.)
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05-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.537 ↑ | 2.427 ↓ |
| United States | 2.824 ↓ | 5.950 ↑ |
| China | 16.826 ↑ | 1.063 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 586,026
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.7 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 32.2 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
The global (excluding US & China) 14-day recovery rate (59.6%) is 2½ times greater than the US reported rate.
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Dr. Marty Makary says monkey research indicates coronavirus vaccine by fall is 'very feasible'
Why did I read that as Marty Malarkey? :laugh:
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Why did I read that as Marty Malarkey? :laugh:
So did I. I think it is due to Biden Brain Rot. More contagious than COVID-19.
When you have it long enough, you turn into a dog faced pony soldier.
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When you have it long enough, you turn into a dog faced pony soldier.
C'mon, man! I challenge you to a contest of push-ups! C'mon, fat! God love ya, stand up, Chuck!
You're right - too much of Biden does rot one's brain.
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Pittsburgh hospital emergency head declares: 'We can safely reopen'
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,401111.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,401111.0.html)
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Ohio Reopening Schedule (https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200507/ohio-reopening-schedule-whats-opening-what-is-still-closed)
Here is the full reopening schedule, including past deadlines:
Friday, May 1: Hospital, medical, dental and veterinary services that don’t require an overnight hospital stay.
Saturday, May 2: Retail businesses that have been closed can open for curbside pickup, delivery and appointment-only shopping limited to 10 customers at a time.
Monday, May 4: Construction, distribution, manufacturing, offices.
Tuesday, May 12: Consumer, retail and service businesses.
Friday, May 15: Salons, barbershops, outside restaurants and patios can open
Thursday, May 21: Restaurant dine-in locations can open
Some things still closed, but I think Lt. Gov. Hustad said nearly 90% of Ohio's economy will be open in 2 weeks.
Moving out of the woods. Good news!
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Report from UPMC, one of largest healthcare providers in Pennsylvania:Inside UPMC (https://inside.upmc.com/shapiro-economy-roundtable/)
UPDATE: Looks like UPMC has closed down the page since I accessed it a couple hours ago. I wonder why.
You know, I think I still have the button my buddy slipped into my hand at our graduation ceremony from medical school. In large letters it said “trust me, I’m a doctor.â€
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If you extrapolate the Hopkins graph of new U.S. cases, this thing should wind down to near zero by sometmes in September. There is a defitinite slow but downward trend since the first week of April.
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Instead of attending a funeral today I watched it live streamed. We are in very strange times.....
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If you extrapolate the Hopkins graph of new U.S. cases, this thing should wind down to near zero by sometmes in September. There is a defitinite slow but downward trend since the first week of April.
@catfish1957
No way in HELL are the Dims going to allow a "good disease" like that die out shortly before the elections. If they have to,they will be injecting people with it.
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@catfish1957
No way in HELL are the Dims going to allow a "good disease" like that die out shortly before the elections. If they have to,they will be injecting people with it.
@sneakypete
AKA: "Vaccinate." LOL!
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@catfish1957
No way in HELL are the Dims going to allow a "good disease" like that die out shortly before the elections. If they have to,they will be injecting people with it.
@sneakypete
They will arrest us all first, for not proving we've been vaccinated, or have anti-bodies.
We have to carry our papers.......
We can't vote, if we are all in jail or have criminal records.
Not unless we are illegal aliens...............
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"The fools! Don't they know this how we got Godzilla??" (Me, right after the Japanese Earthquake and they released all that water into the ocean.)
:beer:
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@sneakypete
AKA: "Vaccinate." LOL!
See:Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted
List of authors.
• Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.,
• H. Clifford Lane, M.D.,
• and Robert R. Redfield, M.D.
March 26, 2020
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387)
"If one as-sumes that the number of asymptomatic or mini-mally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatal-ity rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal inf luenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic inf luenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively."
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@catfish1957
No way in HELL are the Dims going to allow a "good disease" like that die out shortly before the elections. If they have to,they will be injecting people with it.
QFT
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Surgical Nurses and surgeons are a class of healthcare workers nobody gives a crap about.
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Some numbers from the last few days in CT:
Date Total Daily Deaths Daily
Cases Inc. (total) Inc
5/2 29,287 523 2,436 97
5/3 29,973 686 2,495 59
5/4 30,173 200 2,556 61
5/5 30,621 448 2,633 77
5/6 30,995 374 2,718 85
5/7 31,784 789 2,797 79
5/8 32,411 627 2,874 77
No slowdown here -- it looks to be picking up a bit the last couple of days...
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@sneakypete
They will arrest us all first, for not proving we've been vaccinated, or have anti-bodies.
We have to carry our papers.......
We can't vote, if we are all in jail or have criminal records.
Not unless we are illegal aliens...............
Definite possibility. We can either allow it to happen or RESIST.
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Surgical Nurses and surgeons are a class of healthcare workers nobody gives a crap about.
Except for the people that need their skill set right now and are being denied access to them.
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Except for the people that need their skill set right now and are being denied access to them.
Damned straight. I have no way to express my gratitude that I don't need my hip replacements right about now. It hurt SO BADLY! It makes my cry to think people in my condition back then cannot have that hip replacement surgery today. I'd have had to get a wheelchair, because a mere walker could not have kept me mobile.
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05-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.608 ↑ | 2.410 ↓ |
| United States | 2.844 ↑ | 5.911 ↓ |
| China | 16.834 ↑ | 1.063 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 622,820
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.1 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 32.0 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Ohio Reopening Schedule (https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200507/ohio-reopening-schedule-whats-opening-what-is-still-closed)
Here is the full reopening schedule, including past deadlines: . . .
Here's my re-opening schedule:
Week 1 - Unemployment benefits cut 10%
Week 2 - Unemployment benefits cut another 10%
Week 3 - Unemployment benefits cut another 10%
Week 4 - Unemployment benefits cut another 10%
And so on.
Week 10 - You better be working. No more free ride.
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Surgical Nurses and surgeons are a class of healthcare workers nobody gives a crap about.
You have really nailed it. There is a major chunk of routine and non-COVID health care that is suffering because of either (1) the lockdown or (2) people avoiding elective surgeries because they are afraid of catching the virus.
This damn thing has created a medical circular firing squad.
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FACTS. Our hospital system laid off 600... That they had 600 to lay off is another whole can of worms.
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FACTS. Our hospital system laid off 600... That they had 600 to lay off is another whole can of worms.
I haven't of heard of any layoffs around here lately, but usually hospitals and clinics are understaffed and they offer sign on bonuses to attract medical personnel to the area.
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I haven't of heard of any layoffs around here lately, but usually hospitals and clinics are understaffed and they offer sign on bonuses to attract medical personnel to the area.
We are a bit of a health mecca. Largely because of the pristine beauty... Rich old folks summer here.
But being able to lay off 600 pretty well puts the health system as the biggest employer around I think...
That used to be mills, roads, or logging. No more.
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We are a bit of a health mecca. Largely because of the pristine beauty... Rich old folks summer here.
But being able to lay off 600 pretty well puts the health system as the biggest employer around I think...
That used to be mills, roads, or logging. No more.
There was a time the largest employer in my state was a steel mill, formerly employing 13,000; now around 600.
Now it's 1) Walmart and 2) various hospitals.
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There was a time the largest employer in my state was a steel mill, formerly employing 13,000; now around 600.
Now it's 1) Walmart and 2) various hospitals.
Yeah, that says a lot, don't it?
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I don't know. Idaho is approaching 2 million population. Stats for death by Covid are at 67 (last time I looked).
My family lost 13 people last year. Most died because of complications of old age. A few "younger" from health conditions unrelated to covid. And a few from bad luck, like vehicle accidents, etc.
The one that has hurt the worst this year for me as the death of my son's "best" friend. I only knew the kid for ten years +/-
Death by Fentanyl. Just couldn't seem to leave, or be free from heroin. His family has money. And my son got into it early on, (why lie). Through this kid, but mostly his ex. My son's true eye-opener was when he came home from work one evening and his ex and kids were nowhere to be found. He finally did locate them through this friend. My son, at that time, had landed a job putting up all those lovely windmillls that dot the foothills. He went on a rescue mission. To get his kids. I won't go into all the details. Except for the outcome. And all I will say about that is the very exceptional job our local Chief Of Police did to save a lot of violence. No one died. And no one went to jail.
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I am going to repost this. It is a "cover".
It is to and for all respect for first responders.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8NQUbLQGio&list=RDp8NQUbLQGio&start_radio=1#)
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There was a time the largest employer in my state was a steel mill, formerly employing 13,000; now around 600.
Now it's 1) Walmart and 2) various hospitals.
And in most towns, the public school system is usually the biggest employer.
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I haven't of heard of any layoffs around here lately, but usually hospitals and clinics are understaffed and they offer sign on bonuses to attract medical personnel to the area.
@libertybele
My daughter is a MD with her own small private practice,and she has been called in to the local hospital so often she has basically shut her doors and does phone consultations when she has time by returning phone calls.
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And in most towns, the public school system is usually the biggest employer.
...and perpetually crying for more money.
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We are a bit of a health mecca. Largely because of the pristine beauty... Rich old folks summer here.
But being able to lay off 600 pretty well puts the health system as the biggest employer around I think...
That used to be mills, roads, or logging. No more.
@roamer_1
Those 600 lost jobs are not happening in a vacuum. No one can predict how many other people that had jobs supporting or supplying those 600 hospital workers with goods,services,or just plain labor,like babysitting?
Like it or not,we are ALL interconnected with everyone else in the areas where we live.
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@roamer_1
Those 600 lost jobs are not happening in a vacuum. No one can predict how many other people that had jobs supporting or supplying those 600 hospital workers with goods,services,or just plain labor,like babysitting?
Like it or not,we are ALL interconnected with everyone else in the areas where we live.
That's true. Definitely felt here with the collapse of oil prices and the drilling industry.
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I am going to repost this. It is a "cover".
It is to and for all respect for first responders.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8NQUbLQGio&list=RDp8NQUbLQGio&start_radio=1#)
@bigheadfred
The vocals were too "fuzzy" for me to understand the words,but that was some pretty fine string bending,even before Brian May plugged in.
Who was the lead vocalist?
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And in most towns, the public school system is usually the biggest employer.
I am a cabinetmaker, deemed "essential" under Idaho terms. People want their cabinets. But they don't want us in their house. My boss is almost 63. I am almost 59. His help has always been "family". Not any more. Now he has me. When I first started he was very disrespectful. Any mistake he made he pushed off on his other two (and then me) employees. His now ex son in law and his grandson. That crap dint get very far with me.
We did a kitchen remodel back in late January. In the clients price range, a bit more than Home Depot or Lowe's..
He complimented us on his cabinets. But what really impressed him was our professional approach. Knowledged, quiet, clean. He sat on his couch and watched us work. They had decided to do an overhaul and lost the wall between their kitchen and front room. Hired a contractor to destruct. Took them a few weeks. So these people are living in their home without a kitchen. We go in and my boss tells the client to call that contractor and get the plumber, floor people, and electrician over there asap.
The guy was newly retired and his wife said hiya on her way to work.
We were there for 9 hours.
Wife comes home and she has a new kitchen.
She was (OMG) amazed. Both I and the boss could have done the electrical and plumbing. It wasn't in our contract.
Cabinets and counter tops.
And she got there in time so I could show her the systems and advantages of her inter cabinet upgrades.
He shook our hands and thanked us for the show. Two elderly professional men. In and out.
Even more important. He said he knew some people that wanted some work done.
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@bigheadfred
Even more important. He said he knew some people that wanted some work done.
That is gold, right there. Word of mouth referrals may start slow, but the word gets around.
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@bigheadfred
That is gold, right there. Word of mouth referrals may start slow, but the word gets around.
We did a small install yesterday. Big fancy house. Trust me on this. They had a big mudroom coming in through the garage. They put up a new wall between the mud part and the bathroom part. They didn't tell us that, but I can see. Custom-built floor to ceiling cabinet at a 43 degree angle (note that--43 degree angle framers who didn't pass the second grade and dint learn about 3-4-5) single sink with three drawers each side. Matching mirror with space on the frame for whatever light they are gonna put in.
Danged roll out and roll up took longer than the install. I am the mule.
Boss comes walking by me and says sometimes you are too damned efficient. I said what are you looking for? He said that razor knife I had on the trailer. I took him by the hand, walked out to the trailer, and put his hand on that razor knife. Right where he left it. Week by week, he gets friendlier.
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@roamer_1
Those 600 lost jobs are not happening in a vacuum. No one can predict how many other people that had jobs supporting or supplying those 600 hospital workers with goods,services,or just plain labor,like babysitting?
Like it or not,we are ALL interconnected with everyone else in the areas where we live.
That woman in Texas that reopened her salon and got hammered.
My daughter is a professional stylist. Out of work. She ain't some gum-smacking little girl doing a trim. Makes more money than I do. Used to. Should be.
Health standards are pretty damned high here for people in that profession. On any given day. To shut them down pisses me off. You Don't want her to cut your hair? Fine. But don't stop her from doing hair for the people who want their hair done.
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We did a small install yesterday. Big fancy house. Trust me on this. They had a big mudroom coming in through the garage. They put up a new wall between the mud part and the bathroom part. They didn't tell us that, but I can see. Custom-built floor to ceiling cabinet at a 43 degree angle (note that--43 degree angle framers who didn't pass the second grade and dint learn about 3-4-5) single sink with three drawers each side. Matching mirror with space on the frame for whatever light they are gonna put in.
Danged roll out and roll up took longer than the install. I am the mule.
Boss comes walking by me and says sometimes you are too damned efficient. I said what are you looking for? He said that razor knife I had on the trailer. I took him by the hand, walked out to the trailer, and put his hand on that razor knife. Right where he left it. Week by week, he gets friendlier.
Keep doing what you do, Fred. Have a little faith and they'll come around. Not all bosses are like a diaper.
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Keep doing what you do, Fred. Have a little faith and they'll come around. Not all bosses are like a diaper.
Joe,
I ain't going back on my Faith to find a little faith.
Weird in a way. My last employer didn't fire me. He didn't lay me off. I didn't quit. According to the state Unemployment/Labor people I 'simply' stopped having earnings reported. And my last boss told me to find another job. So I did.
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Joe,
I ain't going back on my Faith to find a little faith.
Weird in a way. My last employer didn't fire me. He didn't lay me off. I didn't quit. According to the state Unemployment/Labor people I 'simply' stopped having earnings reported. And my last boss told me to find another job. So I did.
I had that happen. When I found out that the company was traveling 600 miles to work 200 miles from my house in an area I'd worked before, I figured we were done. No mention of the work. No layoff, no termination.
So I got a call from another company and went to work. Then the bottom fell out.
Still working, just doing something very different.
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I had that happen. When I found out that the company was traveling 600 miles to work 200 miles from my house in an area I'd worked before, I figured we were done. No mention of the work. No layoff, no termination.
So I got a call from another company and went to work. Then the bottom fell out.
Still working, just doing something very different.
Flipping burgers pays the bills. Nah, not anymore, boomtown left, left. You have made your point clear. I know you ain't on a fishing boat in Alaska. Best bet is you are quarantined with your wlfe. Just kidding. I've spent, or maybe endured or stayed too many hours away from mine.
I watched a very interesting doc vid on Youtube about the stock market. Pointed towards fast trading Futures. Reference Haim?
If this mention is directed towards the wrong members...Fiscal...Physical....
@Hoodat @catfish1957 @IsailedawayfromFR
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Flipping burgers pays the bills. Nah, not anymore, boomtown left, left. You have made your point clear. I know you ain't on a fishing boat in Alaska. Best bet is you are quarantined with your wlfe. Just kidding. I've spent, or maybe endured or stayed too many hours away from mine.
I watched a very interesting doc vid on Youtube about the stock market. Pointed towards fast trading Futures. Reference Haim?
If this mention is directed towards the wrong members...Fiscal...Physical....
@Hoodat @catfish1957 @IsailedawayfromFR
@bigheadfred Thx for the reference. I was unfamiliar with Bodek Haim but just watched his video and podcast. He clearly has experience in the brokerage world and its complexity and I applaud anyone who exposes some of the 'dark secrets' of trading that most investors are unaware of that provided advantages to the more sophisticated investors.
I have always suspicion-ed normal people like us who buy or sell stock are at that disadvantage. For that reason, I am not a frequent trader, but more of a buy and hold person or purchase highly rated mutual funds.
To me, I appreciate the insights from Buffett
'Only buy something that you’d be perfectly happy to hold if the market shut down for 10 years'
'Don't watch the market closely'
'Only invest in 'simple businesses' that you understand'
and finally
'Someone’s sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago'
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@roamer_1
Those 600 lost jobs are not happening in a vacuum. No one can predict how many other people that had jobs supporting or supplying those 600 hospital workers with goods,services,or just plain labor,like babysitting?
Like it or not,we are ALL interconnected with everyone else in the areas where we live.
@sneakypete
Well yes, but no... Everybody the heck else was already 'laid off' by the woohan.
And 'health' is a service industry - Supposed to be peripheral. It's a taker not a maker.
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Flipping burgers pays the bills. Nah, not anymore, boomtown left, left. You have made your point clear. I know you ain't on a fishing boat in Alaska. Best bet is you are quarantined with your wlfe. Just kidding. I've spent, or maybe endured or stayed too many hours away from mine.
I watched a very interesting doc vid on Youtube about the stock market. Pointed towards fast trading Futures. Reference Haim?
If this mention is directed towards the wrong members...Fiscal...Physical....
@Hoodat @catfish1957 @IsailedawayfromFR
Just working on a road crew when weather permits, directing traffic. I figure this will get most of the bills paid (better if the weather will permit) until Fall. I have delivered pizzas, but never flipped burgers.
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...and perpetually crying for more money.
They are run by UNIONS..... And nothing changes for 'the kids'. What a ploy. Most 'teachers' are NOT essential. 888mouth
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Thank you for the reply.
When I stood against them in 97 they hammered me beneath the ground. I did that. I own that. But what they did to my family I will NEVER forgive.
They were out of bounds. They later admitted it. So what? I spent a long time in prison. For a conviction that had no cause. No merit. Except for the fact I stood against them and "cried" foul. THEY ADMITTED THAT.
So what am I ?
A woman in Texas that gets her ass thrown in jail and fined? Yeah. I am her. She is me.
I am Spartacus. @DCPatriot @Cyber Liberty @roamer_1 @mystery-ak @Smokin Joe
I have tried so very hard to overcome that. To provide for my family. As I grow older it seems to be an impossible act.
They haven't killed me yet. Is that my mistake?
Or is it theirs?
"O ye of little faith"
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They are run by UNIONS..... And nothing changes for 'the kids'. What a ploy. Most 'teachers' are NOT essential. 888mouth
When I was in first grade, there were 32 students, taught by one nun. We had occasional inspirational visits from our resident track-mounted nun who was lots of fun if we were on her good side, but wielded the WMD (Weapon of Metacarpal Destruction--a stout yardstick with brass endcaps) for those who got out of line.
So it was through all my grades until Junior High, when we had multiple teachers and wandered from class to class.
We only had a guidance counselor who was supposed to help us find a career or college prep track.
Now the local HS is swarming with facilitators and aides and counselors and frankly, staff who aren't as important as the cooks in the cafeteria in terms of a kid actually learning anything.
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Thank you for the reply.
When I stood against them in 97 they hammered me beneath the ground. I did that. I own that. But what they did to my family I will NEVER forgive.
They were out of bounds. They later admitted it. So what? I spent a long time in prison. For a conviction that had no cause. No merit. Except for the fact I stood against them and "cried" foul. THEY ADMITTED THAT.
So what am I ?
A woman in Texas that gets her ass thrown in jail and fined? Yeah. I am her. She is me.
I am Spartacus. @DCPatriot @Cyber Liberty @roamer_1 @mystery-ak @Smokin Joe
I have tried so very hard to overcome that. To provide for my family. As I grow older it seems to be an impossible act.
They haven't killed me yet. Is that my mistake?
Or is it theirs?
"O ye of little faith"
As many opportunities as I have had to be seriously injured or killed that missed that mark, sometimes by fractions of an inch, and left me unscathed, I figure there is a reason I am here, something I have yet to do. They also serve who stand and wait, but sometimes the little things we do have importance far beyond the moment.
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Thank you for the reply.
When I stood against them in 97 they hammered me beneath the ground. I did that. I own that. But what they did to my family I will NEVER forgive.
They were out of bounds. They later admitted it. So what? I spent a long time in prison. For a conviction that had no cause. No merit. Except for the fact I stood against them and "cried" foul. THEY ADMITTED THAT.
So what am I ?
A woman in Texas that gets her ass thrown in jail and fined? Yeah. I am her. She is me.
I am Spartacus. @DCPatriot @Cyber Liberty @roamer_1 @mystery-ak @Smokin Joe
I have tried so very hard to overcome that. To provide for my family. As I grow older it seems to be an impossible act.
They haven't killed me yet. Is that my mistake?
Or is it theirs?
"O ye of little faith"
Ah, a brother from another mother...
If there is more than one way to do it, for me, every time, it's the hard way.
I will stand for what is right and true no matter what, and that path is narrow and rocky... And sometimes leads you where you do not want to go.
But I always get up again. Yes I do. Tubthumping (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc). It's what I do.
Maybe it's a redneck thing. :beer: :shrug:
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As many opportunities as I have had to be seriously injured or killed that missed that mark, sometimes by fractions of an inch, and left me unscathed, I figure there is a reason I am here, something I have yet to do. They also serve who stand and wait, but sometimes the little things we do have importance far beyond the moment.
That's right. :beer:
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Ah, a brother from another mother...
If there is more than one way to do it, for me, every time, it's the hard way.
I will stand for what is right and true no matter what, and that path is narrow and rocky... And sometimes leads you where you do not want to go.
But I always get up again. Yes I do. Tubthumping (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc). It's what I do.
Maybe it's a redneck thing. :beer: :shrug:
HuH?
What?
There's an easy way?
No one told me.
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HuH?
What?
There's an easy way?
No one told me.
They say that ignorance is bliss :laugh: :beer:
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Contact tracing seems to be all the rage. The state demands to know the names of everyone with whom you've come into contact.
Look for a new job? Ohio Department of Health is hiring 'disease detectives'
by Gage Goulding, WTOV (https://wtov9.com/news/local/look-for-a-new-job-ohio-department-of-health-is-hiring-disease-detectives)
Saturday, May 9th 2020
Are you looking for a new job? The Ohio Department of Health is looking to hire.
In a post on Facebook, the Ohio Department of Health announced that they're hiring coronavirus contact tracers and contact tracing supervisors. ...
For more information and to apply for the contact tracing position, click here (https://dasstateoh.taleo.net/careersection/oh_ext/jobdetail.ftl?job=200002F4&tz=GMT-04:00&tzname=America/New_York&fbclid=IwAR0TiEBkpAMgSVyLefFBULHAhp42SOHkO5MvRsbE4_bHc_JkT9R1CCnAZCQ). ...
From the job description link:The Opportunity:
The Contact Tracer position is responsible for:
Call contacts of newly diagnosed cases
Communicate with contacts in a professional and empathetic manner
Collect and record information on symptoms into a database
Provide contacts with approved information about Ohio quarantine procedures, and if appropriate, refer them to testing according to protocol
Follow a script to inform contacts about the importance of quarantine and what to do if symptoms develop
Use a telephone, computer and electronic equipment to capture data
Maintain daily contact with supervisor ...
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Tubthumping (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc)
Maybe it's a redneck thing. :beer: :shrug:
Tubthumping. Isn't that what the Houston Astros got caught doing?
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They say that ignorance is bliss :laugh: :beer:
If you call skinned knuckles, swearing like a Longshoreman, and seeing the dog slink off out of the corner of your eye "bliss", sure. :silly: :beer:
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05-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.728 ↑ | 2.382 ↓ |
| United States | 2.975 ↑ | 5.659 ↓ |
| China | 16.846 ↑ | 1.062 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 622,820
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.8 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 32.2 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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An astonishing stat from New York:
New York has slightly over 100,000 nursing home patients—roughly 0.5% of the population of the state. They account for over 20% of New York's coronavirus deaths. Ergo, a nursing home resident (and naturally, since they have major health complications and live in a confined environment) has 40-50 times higher risk of a coronavirus death than a person in the general population.
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An astonishing stat from New York:
New York has slightly over 100,000 nursing home patients—roughly 0.5% of the population of the state. They account for over 20% of New York's coronavirus deaths. Ergo, a nursing home resident (and naturally, since they have major health complications and live in a confined environment) has 40-50 times higher risk of a coronavirus death than a person in the general population.
In my state, I've heard, the figure is about 65%, as we have an older population than most states. But let's keep young healthy people locked up. Better safe than sorry! *****rollingeyes*****
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An astonishing stat from New York:
New York has slightly over 100,000 nursing home patients—roughly 0.5% of the population of the state. They account for over 20% of New York's coronavirus deaths. Ergo, a nursing home resident (and naturally, since they have major health complications and live in a confined environment) has 40-50 times higher risk of a coronavirus death than a person in the general population.
That shrieks mismanagement, not just individual vulnerability.
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That shrieks mismanagement, not just individual vulnerability.
And Cuomo has criminal liability for many of the dead. IMO.
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And Cuomo has criminal liability for many of the dead. IMO.
He insisted on his policy over sound epidemiological practices. I agree.
:beer:
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05-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.829 ↑ | 2.360 ↓ |
| United States | 3.173 ↑ | 5.335 ↓ |
| China | 16.862 ↑ | 1.061 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 650,037
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 26.0 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.6 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Even with the large number of unreported recoveries, US ratio of reported recoveries-to-deaths rises above 3.
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An astonishing stat from New York:
New York has slightly over 100,000 nursing home patients—roughly 0.5% of the population of the state. They account for over 20% of New York's coronavirus deaths. Ergo, a nursing home resident (and naturally, since they have major health complications and live in a confined environment) has 40-50 times higher risk of a coronavirus death than a person in the general population.
Coronavirus has likely killed over 5 percent of NY nursing-home residents
By Aaron Feis
May 10, 2020 | 6:54pm
The coronavirus has likely already killed more than 5 percent of the state’s nursing-home population, according to the latest figures from New York’s Health Department.
As of the start of Sunday, there were 2,598 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the facilities statewide, the DOH said. There also were 2,646 fatal presumed coronavirus cases in New York nursing homes, in which the deceased weren’t officially tested but displayed telltale symptoms of the contagion.
Both figures total 5,244 deaths, or nearly 5.2 percent of the state’s nursing-home population of 101,518.
And that percentage doesn’t even include the nursing-home residents who were transferred to other facilities, such as hospitals, and died from COVID-19. ... NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/coronavirus-has-killed-more-than-5-of-ny-nursing-home-residents/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter)
**nononono*
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Coronavirus has likely killed over 5 percent of NY nursing-home residents
**nononono*
Kwuomo the Killer strikes again. Jail him.
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catfish wrote:
"Kwuomo the Killer strikes again. Jail him."
Not from New York, are ya?
He'll probably be re-elected easily if he chooses to run again...
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Good info on COVID-19. NWO at it again.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z5VYqJqrtI#)
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We destroyed our economy over this!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXwTmsdWkAAlD3h.jpg:medium)
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05-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.912 ↑ | 2.346 ↓ |
| United States | 3.206 ↑ | 5.285 ↓ |
| China | 16.867 ↑ | 1.061 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 666,336
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 26.0 % -
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.1 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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05-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.912 ↑ | 2.346 ↓ |
| United States | 3.206 ↑ | 5.285 ↓ |
| China | 16.867 ↑ | 1.061 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 666,336
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 26.0 % -
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 33.1 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
How much of that decrease in the downward trend of the 21 day recover rate is lousy reporting? I don't think my state reports recoveries (AZ).
Thanks again for posting this daily. I know it takes some work.
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How much of that decrease in the downward trend of the 21 day recover rate is lousy reporting? I don't think my state reports recoveries (AZ).
Thanks again for posting this daily. I know it takes some work.
Virtually all of it. There are a handful of severe cases that take more than three weeks to recover, but those make up a very small fraction of even those who test positive.
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We destroyed our economy over this!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXwTmsdWkAAlD3h.jpg:medium)
Meanwhile Fauci is on FOX news reporting that we are reopening to soon...blah..blah..blah.... that S.O.B. IS in part responsible for this mess --- he was head of the research over in China; the same research that even Obama had shut down for fear of a pandemic. The research was restarted again when Trump took office under the leadership of Fauci.
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Meanwhile Fauci is on FOX news reporting that we are reopening to soon...blah..blah..blah.... that S.O.B. IS in part responsible for this mess --- he was head of the research over in China; the same research that even Obama had shut down for fear of a pandemic. The research was restarted again when Trump took office under the leadership of Fauci.
That would be the Fauci responsible for sending $3.7 million to Wuhan (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/27/anthony-fauci-should-explain-37-million-wuhan-labo/)?
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He insisted on his policy over sound epidemiological practices. I agree.
:beer:
Not surprising though. Liberals always demand policy over (insert here)
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Meanwhile Fauci is on FOX news reporting that we are reopening to soon...blah..blah..blah.... that S.O.B. IS in part responsible for this mess --- he was head of the research over in China; the same research that even Obama had shut down for fear of a pandemic. The research was restarted again when Trump took office under the leadership of Fauci.
He didn't say anything that he did not say on the numerous Sunday shows before this, exactly as the new Press Secretary predicted when the press demanded to know why he would not testify in the House. There's no news here.
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The type of people who would defend the CDC recording the cause of death for an octogenarian already dying with three underlying conditions as "COVID-19" are the same type of people who would be okay with the NTSB blaming "poor road conditions" for aircraft engine failure.
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05-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 5.983 ↑ | 2.327 ↓ |
| United States | 3.557 ↑ | 4.747 ↓ |
| China | 16.873 ↑ | 1.061 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 655,594
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.6 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.2 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Big jump in reported US recoveries (+32k). US Case-to-Recovery ratio falls below 5.
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I did not hear Fauci say that we are opening too soon, although I can understand why some might think that. What I heard him say is what could happen *if* we open too soon. At this point there is no way to know if we have opened too soon or not.
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How much of that decrease in the downward trend of the 21 day recover rate is lousy reporting? I don't think my state reports recoveries (AZ).
My state is slow to report them as well. Arizona shows 70 recoveries out of 11,736 cases.
Today's 21-day number is an improvement over yesterday. Here is how it is calculated:
Total Cases on April 21: 818,744
Total Deaths on May 12: 83,425
To find the minimum number of possible recoveries, assume all deaths up until today resulted from those infected 21 days ago or more. With the expectation that anyone surviving cases at least 21 days old should be considered 'recovered'.
818,744 - 83,425 = 735,319.
Subtract today's total reported recoveries from this to get the 21-day deficit.
735,319 - 292,451 = 438,537
That's over 400,000 who were diagnosed three weeks ago or more and who have survived, but aren't being counted as 'recovered'.
Finally, the ratio is today's reported 'recovered' number divided into the expected 'recovered' number.
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I did not hear Fauci say that we are opening too soon, although I can understand why some might think that. What I heard him say is what could happen *if* we open too soon. At this point there is no way to know if we have opened too soon or not.
That was his clear implication, IMO. The best he could get away with and still keep his job.
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That was his clear implication, IMO. The best he could get away with and still keep his job.
It's enough to permit him to run around and spew "I tolja so"s if the worst happens.
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It's enough to permit him to run around and spew "I tolja so"s if the worst happens.
Rush is making a pretty salient point right now - the left seems to be focusng on keeping schools closed through the fall - if everyone agrees the schools stay closed it makes opening up the economy damn near impossible. Kids are the most impervious to the virus among us - how can we justify exposing older people to it; and and how can parents go back to work with the kids remaining home.
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It's enough to permit him to run around and spew "I tolja so"s if the worst happens.
I know this question is out of the blue....
But, why would have Trump hired Fauci to head the effort to combat COVID-19 ,knowing his overwhelming dimorcratic support in the past? I am sure there were other Virology experts who at least were nuetral politically. This one guy is not the Virus God.
Was he vetted before becoming the instant guru?
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I know this question is out of the blue....
But, why would have Trump hired Fauci to head the effort to combat COVID-19 ,knowing his overwhelming dimorcratic support in the past? I am sure there were other Virology experts who at least were nuetral politically. This one guy is not the Virus God.
Was he vetted before becoming the instant guru?
I doubt whoever it is would be called a "guru" by the braying press.
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Rush is making a pretty salient point right now - the left seems to be focusng on keeping schools closed through the fall - if everyone agrees the schools stay closed it makes opening up the economy damn near impossible. Kids are the most impervious to the virus among us - how can we justify exposing older people to it; and and how can parents go back to work with the kids remaining home.
Schools are opening next week in AZ, if I read the story correctly.
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Rush is making a pretty salient point right now - the left seems to be focusng on keeping schools closed through the fall - if everyone agrees the schools stay closed it makes opening up the economy damn near impossible. Kids are the most impervious to the virus among us - how can we justify exposing older people to it; and and how can parents go back to work with the kids remaining home.
There is no incentive for the parent to go back to work -- as long as they have a child to care for and the schools are locked down they do NOT have to return to work even though their job may re-open and they are still eligible to collect unemployment with extended benefits. In FL that is about $875.00 week.
There would have to be another stimulus to keep the schools shutdown and parents at home -- that extension runs out after 4 months....which is around the time students would be returning after summer break.
The DEMS will continue to push -- if this next stimulus isn't rejected in the Senate, there will be no end to all of this.
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As far as the schools go, the teachers unions—of all the people!—are not going for keeping them closed.
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As far as the schools go, the teachers unions—of all the people!—are not going for keeping them closed.
@jmyrlefuller
No secret there. No union dues being paid,and there is still money going out.
The DNC is going to have to pass some sort of Teachers/Union funding bill to keep this going,or the unions will be spending their own money,and not on private jets and boats for the leadership,either.
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@jmyrlefuller
No secret there. No union dues being paid,and there is still money going out.
The DNC is going to have to pass some sort of Teachers/Union funding bill to keep this going,or the unions will be spending their own money,and not on private jets and boats for the leadership,either.
More than that, folks are liable to figure out they can teach their kids better themselves in an hour or two a day...
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Rush is making a pretty salient point right now - the left seems to be focusng on keeping schools closed through the fall - if everyone agrees the schools stay closed it makes opening up the economy damn near impossible. Kids are the most impervious to the virus among us - how can we justify exposing older people to it; and and how can parents go back to work with the kids remaining home.
You touched on something there. Schools have become kid warehouses while the parents work, with the addition of social programming. What we recognized as education has been indoctrination, but the main function is to pack the kids away so mommy can work. Buying power hasn't improved from the single wage earner households of the 50s, despite technological advances, and despite two wage earners.
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You touched on something there. Schools have become kid warehouses while the parents work, with the addition of social programming. What we recognized as education has been indoctrination, but the main function is to pack the kids away so mommy can work. Buying power hasn't improved from the single wage earner households of the 50s, despite technological advances, and despite two wage earners.
Of course it didn't... More workers translates to lower wage value. That's hidden in inflation, but true all the same. There was a golden time, where mamma was out taking a job to pay for new drapes and furniture, a bit later to cover the private school costs that could no longer be supported otherwise.. but within a decade mamma was workin to make up for what daddy couldn't bring in anymore.
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Of course it didn't... More workers translates to lower wage value. That's hidden in inflation, but true all the same. There was a golden time, where mamma was out taking a job to pay for new drapes and furniture, a bit later to cover the private school costs that could no longer be supported otherwise.. but within a decade mamma was workin to make up for what daddy couldn't bring in anymore.
Yep. As reflected in the price of a new car...$3k to $15K to $50K....
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First the meat factories... now the ramen.
Coronavirus outbreak at Maruchan ramen noodle factory in Virginia sickens at least 7 workers
https://www.fox13news.com/news/coronavirus-outbreak-at-maruchan-ramen-noodle-factory-in-virginia-sickens-at-least-7-workers (https://www.fox13news.com/news/coronavirus-outbreak-at-maruchan-ramen-noodle-factory-in-virginia-sickens-at-least-7-workers)
But you won't hear as much about this one in the heart of lockdown territory as much as you will the cases in South Dakota and Iowa.
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Yep. As reflected in the price of a new car...$3k to $15K to $50K....
@Smokin Joe
My first new car was a 1969 Ford Torino fastback with the "Cobra" package,including the high-po 428 and 4 speed transmission.
Paid $2450 for it brand new at a local Ford dealer,and got a 50k mile/5 years warranty on parts and labor.
The 70's had just came out with an updated body style,so the remaining 69's were about 500 or so off to get rid of them.
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Just had to fork out 10K for a used car to tie me over for a couple of years. I'm not an Essential Employee so no income for 2 months.
send a boat ~ chris knight
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APkEcUmln8g#)
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Just had to fork out 10K for a used car to tie me over for a couple of years. I'm not an Essential Employee so no income for 2 months.
@corbe
I just bought a 03 Ranger standard cab and bed pu last week for 1300 bucks. Like me,it is kinda beat up,white,plain,and got a lot of miles on it,not all of them gentle judging from the various dings.
160 k miles with ac,auto trans,ps,pb,and base radio. Damn thing even had 4 almost new tires on it.
Since then I have spent a couple of hundreds bucks on a used dash cluster ($54) because half the gauges didn't work in the one in it,new cloth seat covers to replace the cracked vinyl ones,oil change,new radiator hoses,new thermostat,new filter and synthetic fluid in the engine,trans, and rear
end,grease job,etc,etc,etc. Basically,maintenance because I didn't know when,if ever,this had been done before.
I am one of those people who would rather do it all at one time and do it right,than have to be calling for a rollback later on.
Just checked the gas mileage today,and getting 23 MPH. Will probably change the plugs and distributor cap next month to try to bring that up a little.
Got it cheap because it was banged up a little,and the guy that owned it thought the differential was going bad. I test drove it and figured it was the rear ujoint,so I bought it and changed both front and rear. Now it runs down the road whisper quiet.
Going to sell my 2016 crew cab 4x4 Silverado to free up some cash so I can buy a repo house and land in the next few months. Then I will wait until the market recovers,and sell the house and land where I am living now. In the meantime,I will rent it out.
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My BIL got me a sweet deal on an clean blue 2014 Dodge Journey w/75K miles on it for $9K, new tires and Black Rims, AC's cold. I was apprehensive about the 4 banger (2.4L) but it does OK, so far.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_vy6sTjdUFI/maxresdefault.jpg)
I've named it Covid, to stay on topic.
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I am also remodeling the ol House. Picked up 4 huge windows in San Antonio today in the Journey, with 2 rows of seats down they still hung out 16" so the tailgate was tied from the wiper arm to the spare tire. The Housing Market is still hot here in Central Texas and my fever burns to go further west (Texas) *to avoid Covid.
*added to stay on Topic
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05-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.104 ↑ | 2.295 ↓ |
| United States | 3.642 ↑ | 4.610 ↓ |
| China | 16.877 ↑ | 1.061 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 668,738
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.2 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.6 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 6.
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Published 4 hours ago
Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report
By David Aaro | Fox News
A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.
Sebastian Yellow, 35, was found dead by police on May 4. Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers later determined that his death was due to acute alcohol poisoning. His blood-alcohol content measured in at .55. The legal limit in the state is .08.
But before Deavers signed the death certificate, Colorado health officials reportedly categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19. ... Rest of story at FOX News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/colorado-man-died-alcohol-poisoning-death-classified-coronavirus-report)
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Published 4 hours ago
Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report
By David Aaro | Fox News
A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.
Sebastian Yellow, 35, was found dead by police on May 4. Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers later determined that his death was due to acute alcohol poisoning. His blood-alcohol content measured in at .55. The legal limit in the state is .08.
But before Deavers signed the death certificate, Colorado health officials reportedly categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19. ... Rest of story at FOX News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/colorado-man-died-alcohol-poisoning-death-classified-coronavirus-report)
@mountaineer
I ain't no medical examiner and don't even play one on teebee,but THAT,my friends,is what is described as a "good first clue".
And here I was,impressed with some relatives and friends who blew a 35 on a breathalyzer!
Slackers,is what they were!
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05-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.175 ↑ | 2.283 ↓ |
| United States | 3.659 ↑ | 4.583 ↓ |
| China | 16.878 ↑ | 1.061 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 690,084
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.0 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 36.1 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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05-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.282 ↑ | 2.261 ↓ |
| United States | 3.686 ↑ | 4.550 ↓ |
| China | 16.881 ↑ | 1.060 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 716,281
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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05-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.282 ↑ | 2.261 ↓ |
| United States | 3.686 ↑ | 4.550 ↓ |
| China | 16.881 ↑ | 1.060 ↓ |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 716,281
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 28.8 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Thanks, @Hoodat!
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Thanks @Hoodat.
At least two months ago I was driving home from work. Yeah, my work has been consistent and growing now it is spring.
Probably around mid February, but I think it was earlier. I am driving home , county road, and this woman comes out to play with a 7-10 year old girl child. I assumed it was her daughter. But the thing is, the woman is wearing a mask. The kid isn't.
It was weird. Maybe this woman works in a risk environment. Saying if it is her daughter in her house, mom wearing mask out to play is stupid. If it was someone else's child, putting them, the kid, in a high risk environment is stupid. This virus isn't killing kids.
And here in Idaho, very little damage has been done by the virus. We are stagnant. And have been for weeks. Here in East Idaho, the only thing that has changed is the people selling Plexiglas are living large.
My boss tends to deal with a couple of corporate cabinet hardware supply stores. Through those corporate standards they have reduced availability.
There is a glass business here I have dealt with for coming on 18 years. Mostly working with the front end people. My last boss brings in a customer. A few years back. The guy is looking for a piece of maple to put new handles on his grill equipment. WHO in the hell walks into a cabinet shop and wants "nothing special" for grill tool handles?
I set him up. I had a nice piece of quarter rift hard maple. It was THE tiger's eye. Saved and stashed. Didn't know what I would do with it, eventually, but when this guy walked in it was an easy "giveaway'". Saved me from hoping for another board I could save for a bigger project.
Gist is, this money man got his day made. Told me to drop my name if I needed something from him. I told my now boss to stop waiting on corporate measures and deal local. And drop my name.
Taking the rest of this story to the lounge. If you are interested.
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Where to Worry About Catching Covid-19, and Where Not To
Each virus has its unique pattern of spread, and scientists are starting to get a handle on how the novel coronavirus behaves. This understanding is making it possible to rank the risks of different activities from high to low to trivial.
The most informative studies show how the disease is spreading in the real world — a big advance over the various simulations and models that, early on, showed only hypothetical scenarios.
The data show that nine percent of infected people are responsible for 80% of the transmissions, she says. Why? For one thing, the disease is apparently very infectious but only for a short window, and perhaps only in some cases. Contact tracing studies show people are most infectious right around the onset of symptoms, as well as a couple of days before and after. If someone in that stage goes to a party, or church service, or to work in a meat packing plant or nursing home, many other people will probably get sick.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-15/will-i-get-coronavirus-at-the-grocery-store-unlikely (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-15/will-i-get-coronavirus-at-the-grocery-store-unlikely)
https://twitter.com/i/events/1261403584547168258 (https://twitter.com/i/events/1261403584547168258)
(To wit: the idea that there is no contact tracing going on in the U.S. is false. It's being done, just not publicly, and where it is not being done, it's largely because the areas are so overwhelmed that it has been ineffective.)
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Where to Worry About Catching Covid-19, and Where Not To
Each virus has its unique pattern of spread, and scientists are starting to get a handle on how the novel coronavirus behaves. This understanding is making it possible to rank the risks of different activities from high to low to trivial.
From back in my early early days in the State Dept. of Health, (As inspector and Microbiologist), I've always been somewhat of a disinfection freak. Don't get me wrong, I am not a germaphobe by any stretch, but there are things that I do and avoid for public health benefit. I mean things like saving leftovers, to my aversion to eating food from personal kitchens I haven't seen....
Here is my brief COVID-19 primer.....
Incoming items... We have deemed a 100 or so square feet garage area for non-disnfection deliveries. That area remains in quarantine, for a time specified from a list that I have found on various sites..
Cardboard- 1 day
Steel- 3 days
Plastic-3 days
Glass- 4 days
Copper - 4 hours
Wood- 2 days
Paper- 1 day
Cloth- 2 days
Paper Money- 4 days
Since we do have a few pre-existing conditons, we opt for grocery pickup, and take more precautions than those with less risk. When we return, a disinfection station is established. Method includes:
(1) Pre-prep of a 10% bleach solution in a spray bottle, and a sizable cloth rag.
(2) Card Table set up near vehicle for grocery processing
(3) Wash hands, and sterilize all peripheral areas in vehicle, and card table with bleach solution
(4) Have ample supply of pre-Q'ed plastic bags for grocery processing ready. Do not use/re-use cloth bags unless they have been washed.
(5) Disinfect all items being removed. As a good rule of thumb, either a "one second" contact time, or a obvious liquied residual should be adequate. Be careful not to cross contaminate, pre-prep areas and areas storing cleaned items.
(6) As a team, have spouse, child, whoever periodically pickup and put items in correct Fridge/Freezer/Pantry locations. Keep clutter to a minimum.
(7) After completing all items, isolate bags, and other non-home items to garage Quarantine area for specifed time listed above.
(8) Disnfect all areas, knobs, switches, etc, of home and vehicle, after processing.
(9) All involved wash hand throughly. And as another good rule of thumb, after washing, you know you've done a decent job if your hands smell like a swimming pool. happy77
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Coding that led to lockdown was 'totally unreliable' and a 'buggy mess', say experts
The code, written by Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London, was impossible to read, scientists claim
The Covid-19 modelling that sent Britain into lockdown, shutting the economy and leaving millions unemployed, has been slammed by a series of experts.
Professor Neil Ferguson's computer coding was derided as “totally unreliable†by leading figures, who warned it was “something you wouldn’t stake your life on".
The model, credited with forcing the Government to make a U-turn and introduce a nationwide lockdown, is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programmingâ€, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.
“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.â€...
Excerpted from: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/)
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Only now, after unrepairable damage has been done around the world, do they bother to look at this!!!
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Coding that led to lockdown was 'totally unreliable' and a 'buggy mess', say experts
The code, written by Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London, was impossible to read, scientists claim
That'll leave a mark. :yowsa:
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@Bigun
I coded for years, and I kept my code tidy and well-commented for selfish reasons: My own laziness. I didn't want to have to answer stupid questions about my code, so I wrote it so a third party could just look at the source code to figure out what I was doing. If a Scientist ever asked me about my code, I considered it a failure of my communication skills. I never failed an ISO9000 audit.
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@Bigun
I coded for years, and I kept my code tidy and well-commented for selfish reasons: My own laziness. I didn't want to have to answer stupid questions about my code, so I wrote it so a third party could just look at the source code to figure out what I was doing. If a Scientist ever asked me about my code, I considered it a failure of my communication skills. I never failed an ISO9000 audit.
So why are they only now getting around to looking at this after the damage is done @Cyber Liberty
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So why are they only now getting around to looking at this after the damage is done @Cyber Liberty
Oh, that's easy! They were getting the model results they wanted. They wanted garbage out, so they were fine with garbage in. I'm sure Climate Models looked like a bowl of pasta, too. That's what coders do when they want to hide a model designed to be fudged to produce a desired outcome.
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Oh, that's easy! They were getting the model results they wanted. They wanted garbage out, so they were fine with garbage in. I'm sure Climate Models looked like a bowl of pasta, too. That's what coders do when they want to hide a model designed to be fudged to produce a desired outcome.
And you can add pollsters to that list as well.
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And you can add pollsters to that list as well.
Yes, you could capably classify their work product as "models," not different from the COVID-19 hand-waving and Climate Change atmospheric/rectal extrapolations. Added by default, @Bigun!
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Oh, that's easy! They were getting the model results they wanted. They wanted garbage out, so they were fine with garbage in. I'm sure Climate Models looked like a bowl of pasta, too. That's what coders do when they want to hide a model designed to be fudged to produce a desired outcome.
That's exactly right.
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How about some good news?
There was a recently published study that looked at T-cell response to covid-19. They used serum samples from people who had been infected and recovered at home. In those samples they found that 100% contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T, and 70 % contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD8+ T cells. They concluded that this means we can develop a successful vaccine.
But what is more interesting is what they found in their control samples, taken from individuals who had never been exposed to covid-19. They ensured these people had never been exposed by using samples that were taken from 2015 - 2018. They found SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~50% of unexposed individuals, indicating that a previous infection from a coronavirus that causes a common cold could provide cross-immunity with covid-19. We may see new infection rates come down more quickly than predicted.
Study: https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3 (https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3)
Twitter thread, good synopsis and explanation of the study: https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200 (https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200)
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Only now, after unrepairable damage has been done around the world, do they bother to look at this!!!
:dumpster:
And after it’s allowed the unleashing of a metric sh*t ton of Scolds on those of us trying to push back against the infringements on our freedoms.
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And after it’s allowed the unleashing of a metric sh*t ton of Scolds on those of us trying to push back against the infringements on our freedoms.
It certainly produced a target rich environment of moles that need to be whacked. wink777
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Background: the McClure family and the Fuller family have been friends for a while; I went to school with this guy's nieces. He was one of the first in my area to suffer from the virus, and he was near death at one point... but, miraculously, he survived. The local paper did a front-page human interest story on him today.
http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/cameron-s-miracle/article_f13d64e4-5e6e-5b98-a2b8-20ed6b2afa2b.html (http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/cameron-s-miracle/article_f13d64e4-5e6e-5b98-a2b8-20ed6b2afa2b.html)
Cameron's Miracle
by Kate Day Sager
May 16, 2020
Following his frantic drive to Olean General Hospital from his home in Little Valley in early April, Cameron McClure was so weak and out of breath when he walked into the emergency department that he collapsed inside the door.
McClure was one of the most severe COVID-19 cases the hospital has treated and he credits his survival to the medical staff — but more importantly, he says, to God.
McClure, 45, shared his story to let the community know of the skill and care provided by the nurses, doctors and other professionals at Olean General — and the church groups that prayed for him at their homes and even in the hospital parking lot.
(excerpt)
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Background: the McClure family and the Fuller family have been friends for a while; I went to school with this guy's nieces. He was one of the first in my area to suffer from the virus, and he was near death at one point... but, miraculously, he survived. The local paper did a front-page human interest story on him today.
http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/cameron-s-miracle/article_f13d64e4-5e6e-5b98-a2b8-20ed6b2afa2b.html (http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/cameron-s-miracle/article_f13d64e4-5e6e-5b98-a2b8-20ed6b2afa2b.html)
Cameron's Miracle
by Kate Day Sager
May 16, 2020
Following his frantic drive to Olean General Hospital from his home in Little Valley in early April, Cameron McClure was so weak and out of breath when he walked into the emergency department that he collapsed inside the door.
McClure was one of the most severe COVID-19 cases the hospital has treated and he credits his survival to the medical staff — but more importantly, he says, to God.
McClure, 45, shared his story to let the community know of the skill and care provided by the nurses, doctors and other professionals at Olean General — and the church groups that prayed for him at their homes and even in the hospital parking lot.
(excerpt)
Prayer is powerful!!!
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Inspirational, @jmyrlefuller!
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How about some good news?
There was a recently published study that looked at T-cell response to covid-19. They used serum samples from people who had been infected and recovered at home. In those samples they found that 100% contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T, and 70 % contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD8+ T cells. They concluded that this means we can develop a successful vaccine.
But what is more interesting is what they found in their control samples, taken from individuals who had never been exposed to covid-19. They ensured these people had never been exposed by using samples that were taken from 2015 - 2018. They found SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~50% of unexposed individuals, indicating that a previous infection from a coronavirus that causes a common cold could provide cross-immunity with covid-19. We may see new infection rates come down more quickly than predicted.
Study: https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3 (https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3)
Twitter thread, good synopsis and explanation of the study: https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200 (https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200)
That's a GREAT find @LadyLiberty! Thanks!
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How about some good news?
There was a recently published study that looked at T-cell response to covid-19. They used serum samples from people who had been infected and recovered at home. In those samples they found that 100% contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T, and 70 % contained SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD8+ T cells. They concluded that this means we can develop a successful vaccine.
But what is more interesting is what they found in their control samples, taken from individuals who had never been exposed to covid-19. They ensured these people had never been exposed by using samples that were taken from 2015 - 2018. They found SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ~50% of unexposed individuals, indicating that a previous infection from a coronavirus that causes a common cold could provide cross-immunity with covid-19. We may see new infection rates come down more quickly than predicted.
Study: https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3 (https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3)
Twitter thread, good synopsis and explanation of the study: https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200 (https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1261052353773363200)
Great find, Thanks!
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(https://i.imgur.com/BZ4Fekj.jpg)
You have to wonder about all those people who stingily bought 2 tons of toilet paper and paper towels. Was just in a supermarket lately, plenty of TP and paper products. No shortage at all. Good luck trying to sell a truck load of TP now. The stuff is everywhere.
In hindsight, there never was a real shortage except the one created by shortsighted stupid people hording. Now they have to figure out how to eat it.
While they were all fixated on hording paper products, I was buying actual food. I can always figure out a way to wipe my butt, but I cannot make food out of nothing. People got caught up in the emotion of the moment and lost all their common sense. Now they are paying for it.
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From back in my early early days in the State Dept. of Health, (As inspector and Microbiologist), I've always been somewhat of a disinfection freak. Don't get me wrong, I am not a germaphobe by any stretch, but there are things that I do and avoid for public health benefit. I mean things like saving leftovers, to my aversion to eating food from personal kitchens I haven't seen....
Here is my brief COVID-19 primer.....
Incoming items... We have deemed a 100 or so square feet garage area for non-disnfection deliveries. That area remains in quarantine, for a time specified from a list that I have found on various sites..
Cardboard- 1 day
Steel- 3 days
Plastic-3 days
Glass- 4 days
Copper - 4 hours
Wood- 2 days
Paper- 1 day
Cloth- 2 days
Paper Money- 4 days
Since we do have a few pre-existing conditons, we opt for grocery pickup, and take more precautions than those with less risk. When we return, a disinfection station is established. Method includes:
(1) Pre-prep of a 10% bleach solution in a spray bottle, and a sizable cloth rag.
(2) Card Table set up near vehicle for grocery processing
(3) Wash hands, and sterilize all peripheral areas in vehicle, and card table with bleach solution
(4) Have ample supply of pre-Q'ed plastic bags for grocery processing ready. Do not use/re-use cloth bags unless they have been washed.
(5) Disinfect all items being removed. As a good rule of thumb, either a "one second" contact time, or a obvious liquied residual should be adequate. Be careful not to cross contaminate, pre-prep areas and areas storing cleaned items.
(6) As a team, have spouse, child, whoever periodically pickup and put items in correct Fridge/Freezer/Pantry locations. Keep clutter to a minimum.
(7) After completing all items, isolate bags, and other non-home items to garage Quarantine area for specifed time listed above.
(8) Disnfect all areas, knobs, switches, etc, of home and vehicle, after processing.
(9) All involved wash hand throughly. And as another good rule of thumb, after washing, you know you've done a decent job if your hands smell like a swimming pool. happy77
Thanks for that info @catfish1957 . Very helpful!
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I'd like to share a conversation with a close friend of ours who is a physician...... an infectious disease specialist with decades of experience and expertise......
She became aware of COVID in professional journals back in January when it was basically publicly unknown. She and her (physician) husband took it seriously and wore masks on an overseas flight even then.
When they came back, she helped our local hospital prepare for the pandemic by fitting every Dr., nurse and staff member with masks. They also purchased extra PPE early on because she knew they would be needed. She advised (and the administration listened), that they transform a nursing unit to a COVID floor, and a section of the ER specifically for COVID patients. The Drs and nurses who worked there did not go to any other sections of the hospital and no other personnel other than those designated went to that floor.
As a result, there have been no casualties among hospital staff. There has been only 1 death in the hospital.
She said that the threat will remain and people should be careful probably until December.
Masks make a big difference and we should wear them. Social distancing makes a difference. Cleansing makes a difference. This is a highly contagious disease.
For the handful of skeptics here, this is a brilliant doctor with decades of experience who is also a close personal friend. There are no political filters through which the information has come. There is no political agenda. There is no conspiracy. The information isn't coming in a soundbite or meme.
Just facts from an extremely competent expert.
Some of you will dismiss it because it doesn't fit the agenda you have chosen to believe, but it is real information.
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Masks make a big difference and we should wear them. Social distancing makes a difference. Cleansing makes a difference. This is a highly contagious disease.
For the handful of skeptics here, this is a brilliant doctor with decades of experience who is also a close personal friend. There are no political filters through which the information has come. There is no political agenda. There is no conspiracy. The information isn't coming in a soundbite or meme.
Just facts from an extremely competent expert.
Some of you will dismiss it because it doesn't fit the agenda you have chosen to believe, but it is real information.
Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.
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Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.
Perhaps on a smaller scale, but as things reopen, it’s clear that it can’t be business as usual in places like restaurants and bars and numerous other businesses.
I also don’t know how we could have prevented massive spreading if we hadn’t closed schools and suggested that churches would be better off not meeting in large groups for a while.
The problem is that no one knows with certainty what things would look like if we had done otherwise.......
Not that that fact will prevent people from pretending they do. *****rollingeyes*****
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Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.
If masks help, then why are we releasing prisoners without them to "save them from COVID-19?" Can't we just keep them in jail, with masks, and stop throwing non-criminals into jail for resisting?
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Again, we could have done all of that without shutting down the economy.
I agree.
I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.
Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.
So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?
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I agree.
I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.
Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.
So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?
You know the answer to that one, @bigheadfred. It's the same reason you get to pay taxes. You're a sap. There's a story somewhere about a Restaurant owner in Maryland who wants to reopen, but he can't get any of his employees to come back to work because they're making money hand over fist on the new, improved supercharged Unemployment bennies.
I suppose I should chuckle at your d's visitor from Portlandia, but for some reason I'm not very amused by it. :shrug:
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I agree.
I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.
Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.
So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?
Anyone that goes back to work is no longer eligible to receive the extended unemployment and if your hours haven't been reduced you are not eligible for unemployment anymore. Both are taxable. The so-called stimulus checks that were sent out are not taxable.
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I agree.
I don't know. I haven't been out of work. My son and daughter are. I think yesterday the governor said hair salons would be allowed to reopen. Which puts my daughter back to work. In another week. It is waiting for the chain gang salon corporate people to get their act together.
Her friend showed up on a surprise visit. From Portland, Oregon. She said she is getting paid $400 more per week than her job pays. Per a 40 hour week. She is a salon manager. And in fact, she took over my daughter's position when my daughter came back home last year.
So, Why, even though I am still working, not getting that added per week stimulus on my paycheck?
Well, I might be stupid, but between unemployment and the $600/week, I'd be making better money than I am now working. But I hate jumping through the unemployment hoops, especially in a time when there is no work in my field, so I just snagged a job. Maybe this fall if we're $40 trillion in debt...
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You know the answer to that one, @bigheadfred. It's the same reason you get to pay taxes. You're a sap. There's a story somewhere about a Restaurant owner in Maryland who wants to reopen, but he can't get any of his employees to come back to work because they're making money hand over fist on the new, improved supercharged Unemployment bennies.
I suppose I should chuckle at your d's visitor from Portlandia, but for some reason I'm not very amused by it. :shrug:
You cannot refuse to go back to your job (unless you have a child to care for while the schools are closed down) and the employers are supposed to notify unemployment of your return to work.
Also, I believe it was the beginning of this week, those collecting unemployment, now need to claim their weeks.
Those still collecting unemployment and working; well, that is considered fraud. It is my understanding that if one is caught that their eligibility for future unemployment becomes suspended for a period of time depending on how many times they've been caught.
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You cannot refuse to go back to your job (unless you have a child to care for while the schools are closed down) and the employers are supposed to notify unemployment of your return to work.
Also, I believe it was the beginning of this week, those collecting unemployment, now need to claim their weeks.
Those still collecting unemployment and working; well, that is considered fraud. It is my understanding that if one is caught that their eligibility for future unemployment becomes suspended for a period of time depending on how many times they've been caught.
In the case of the Maryland restaurant, I believe the dodge is they all have kids, and the State Warehouses for Kids (known euphemistically as "Schools") are all closed, possibly until 2021.
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Well, I might be stupid, but between unemployment and the $600/week, I'd be making better money than I am now working. But I hate jumping through the unemployment hoops, especially in a time when there is no work in my field, so I just snagged a job. Maybe this fall if we're $40 trillion in debt...
No, you're not stupid. You still have to pay taxes on that $600/week and the limit on that is 4 months. Yes, it's a nice chunk of money, but I pity the people who are sitting back milking the government for all that they can and then realize that they have to pay taxes on that money. What are they going to do when they finally get up off of their butts to look for work after that 4 months is up and realize that everybody before them scrambled to find jobs and there aren't any jobs to be found? That money was meant to hold people over until their place of employment opened or until they were able to find another job. Sadly so many look at it as free money.
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You know the answer to that one, @bigheadfred. It's the same reason you get to pay taxes. You're a sap. There's a story somewhere about a Restaurant owner in Maryland who wants to reopen, but he can't get any of his employees to come back to work because they're making money hand over fist on the new, improved supercharged Unemployment bennies.
I suppose I should chuckle at your d's visitor from Portlandia, but for some reason I'm not very amused by it. :shrug:
Is this one of those Star Trek "The Wrath of Con" things?
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In the case of the Maryland restaurant, I believe the dodge is they all have kids, and the State Warehouses for Kids (known euphemistically as "Schools") are all closed, possibly until 2021.
I know of a gal who refused to go back to work claiming she had no one to watch her kids (she lives with her Mom and she watched them when she worked prior to COVID). The bimbo posted a picture of herself out with friends on the beach, with no kids on Facebook. The employer turned her butt in!
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I know of a gal who refused to go back to work claiming she had no one to watch her kids (she lives with her Mom and she watched them when she worked prior to COVID). The bimbo posted a picture of herself out with friends on the beach, with no kids on Facebook. The employer turned her butt in!
I just read of a fellow from California who went to Hawaii. He didn't self quarantine and started posting pictures of himself all over Waikeke on instagram. The cops looked at the metadata on the pictures, located him, knocked on his door and hauled him off to jail for 14 days.
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Well, I might be stupid, but between unemployment and the $600/week, I'd be making better money than I am now working. But I hate jumping through the unemployment hoops, especially in a time when there is no work in my field, so I just snagged a job. Maybe this fall if we're $40 trillion in debt...
I know they shut you down. And I walked my wife through the hoops for unemployment. Which was useless because she went and got another job before they could register her claim.
My wife has a serious flaw. She is a heathcare worker. She doesn't care about her employment status. She cares about her job. The people she takes care of.
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If masks help, then why are we releasing prisoners without them to "save them from COVID-19?" Can't we just keep them in jail, with masks, and stop throwing non-criminals into jail for resisting?
Two separate issues (maybe three) that shouldn't be conflated. Releasing prisoners has nothing to do with whether or not masks help.
No offense to you personally, Cyber, but I've seen more illogical comparisons trying to diminish the truth about COVID in the past weeks than I've seen about anything in my life. The FB memes going around are barely coherent, but they always get a "SEE! I told you so" reaction from a few.
Irrational 'thought' has never been more prevalent. (Again, not talking about you, but your non-comparison comparison brought it to mind).
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Two separate issues (maybe three) that shouldn't be conflated. Releasing prisoners has nothing to do with whether or not masks help.
No offense to you personally, Cyber, but I've seen more illogical comparisons trying to diminish the truth about COVID in the past weeks than I've seen about anything in my life. The FB memes going around are barely coherent, but they always get a "SEE! I told you so" reaction from a few.
Irrational 'thought' has never been more prevalent. (Again, not talking about you, but your non-comparison comparison brought it to mind).
Ya know I was just jiggling your handle, right? :tongue2:
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Ya know I was just jiggling your handle, right? :tongue2:
I hope so, cause I didn't really think you were that stupid. :tongue2:
FB memes on the other hand............ who WRITES those idiotic things?
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I hope so, cause I didn't really think you were that stupid. :tongue2:
FB memes on the other hand............ who WRITES those idiotic things?
Whole 'nother thread, that....I spend too much time over there.
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I know they shut you down. And I walked my wife through the hoops for unemployment. Which was useless because she went and got another job before they could register her claim.
My wife has a serious flaw. She is a heathcare worker. She doesn't care about her employment status. She cares about her job. The people she takes care of.
Scandalous. Simply scandalous.
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the truth about COVID
No one knows what the "truth" about the Wuhan Virus is because no one is being honest about it from any angle. We have any accurate numbers on deaths, people infected, etc etc.
Are we supposed to tay confined until the curve is flattened or until there's a vaccine? Do we only open certain businesses slowly one at a time under a 17.5 point system? Or do we open them all now?
Do we arrest the guy windsurfing all alone at the beach or deny the right to run your business because they dared to open and seat people on Mother's Day?
It's all based on faulty software and guesses and it's been used to unnecessarily scare the shit out of people to the point where they are accepting a forced confinement "for their safety.
So when you start taking about "truth" it's laughable because there is no "truth" to what's happening to us where this virus is concerned.
Oh and the masks are worthless...just like the quarantine of healthy people.
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damn...
just damn
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See these?
(http://www.tridentpharm.com.sg/user/cimage/Disposable-Face-Mask-Paper-Face-Mask-Surgical-Face-Mask.jpg)
Guess what? They aren't called "face masks." They're called "spit masks." Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses. I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.
But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks. A Talisman to ward off germs. Howard Hughes would be in heaven.
The masks that help are N95 masks. This is a N95 mask:
(http://wasip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/W795110-PID.jpg)
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FB memes on the other hand............ who WRITES those idiotic things?
Foreigners. Russians are a big source; quite a few come from the Middle East, too.
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See these?
(http://www.tridentpharm.com.sg/user/cimage/Disposable-Face-Mask-Paper-Face-Mask-Surgical-Face-Mask.jpg)
Guess what? They aren't called "face masks." They're called "spit masks." Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses. I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.
But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks. A Talisman to ward off germs. Howard Hughes would be in heaven.
The masks that help are N95 masks. This is a N95 mask:
(http://wasip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/W795110-PID.jpg)
The N95 masks help healthcare workers dealing with a already infected people in a hospital environment...that is true.
They do nothing for the general public shopping at a Walmart.
“Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!†the surgeon general, Jerome M. Adams, said in a tweet on Saturday morning. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!â€
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html)
ETA: I see people waring what you call "spit masks" incorrectly 95% of the time. I shake my head when I see it stopping below an persons nose or someone who talking other call phone pulls it down completely off their face to talk on their cell phone or make an announcement on a PA system.
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See these?
(http://www.tridentpharm.com.sg/user/cimage/Disposable-Face-Mask-Paper-Face-Mask-Surgical-Face-Mask.jpg)
Guess what? They aren't called "face masks." They're called "spit masks." Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses. I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.
But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks. A Talisman to ward off germs. Howard Hughes would be in heaven.
The masks that help are N95 masks. This is a N95 mask:
(http://wasip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/W795110-PID.jpg)
The dump valve on that n-95 mask indicates it is there to protect the wearer and filter air going in, not the air coming out. All that other junk is there to protect everyone else from the wearer, not the wearer from everyone else.
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New coronavirus may spread through poop
This is an actual article. I wasn't going to link it because it the same old story.
ESAD
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html)
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New coronavirus may spread through poop
This is an actual article. I wasn't going to link it because it the same old story.
ESAD
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html)
Sorry...I'm still laughing from when I heard it's in semen.
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Sorry...I'm still laughing from when I heard it's in semen.
Well, we knew that. It wasn't all officers on the Roosevelt who got infected... :shrug:
Oh....nevermind.
PS, Did anyone check the vitreous and aqueous humours too?
(Note: filoviruses have been known to 'hangout' in all three, and even feces, after patients were cured of Ebola.)
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ETA: I see people wearing what you call "spit masks" incorrectly 95% of the time. I shake my head when I see it stopping below an persons nose or someone who talking other call phone pulls it down completely off their face to talk on their cell phone or make an announcement on a PA system.
LOL! The gal in the picture isn't wearing it properly either!! See that little metal band over the nose? That's supposed to be pressed down to conform to the shape of the nose. She didn't press it down.
(http://wasip.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/W795110-PID.jpg)
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05-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.386 ↑ | 2.244 ↓ |
| United States | 3.765 ↑ | 4.445 ↓ |
| China | 16.883 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 731,429
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.2 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 % -
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Oh and the masks are worthless...
Well yeah, they pretty much are. Waterborne aerosols are just as likely to infect through the eyes. You'll probably not understand that exactly as much as a painter would... When spraying hardened paints, the aerosolized volatiles are basically the same thing. You can protect your lungs with a high-micron filter on top of a charcoal filter, to where you cannot smell the stuff anymore, but the cloud will sting your eyes like crazy. If you've walked through infected air, your eyes are directly exposed.
So hawking masks without hawking eye protection shows me they aren't serious.
just like the quarantine of healthy people.
And therein lies the PROOF.
Everywhere I have seen antibody testing in the wild, the resulting extrapolation is always 22-25%... And probably more by now. That means the 'quarantine' didn't work. At all. Heck, they've even admitted as much...
The herd is self-immunizing automatically. STILL they are pushing for lockdown and vax. Even though lockdown provably does nothing and vax is predictably ineffective against a quick-morphing virus.
Imaginary nonsense whose only end product is the imposition of control.
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Guess what? They aren't called "face masks." They're called "spit masks." Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses. I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.
But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks. A Talisman to ward off germs.
That's right. Wholly ineffective. If you can smell a fart through it - and I guarantee you can - It isn't doing anything against a virus, which is a much smaller 'particle'. And as for protecting others, as I am sure you can attest, once they become moistened by breath, the exhaust tends to blow out the sides rather than passing through the fabric - Doing nothing.
The masks that help are N95 masks. This is a N95 mask:
Not really.Them N95s are pretty useless against paint volatiles (or farts). And the exhaust port allows unfiltered exhalation too.
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That's right. Wholly ineffective. If you can smell a fart through it - and I guarantee you can - It isn't doing anything against a virus, which is a much smaller 'particle'. And as for protecting others, as I am sure you can attest, once they become moistened by breath, the exhaust tends to blow out the sides rather than passing through the fabric - Doing nothing.
Not really.Them N95s are pretty useless against paint volatiles (or farts). And the exhaust port allows unfiltered exhalation too.
Yeah. If they were really serious they'd be recommending a fit tested P-100 single or dual cartridge full face respirator and not some half mask thingy where you have to bend the metal strip to approximate a seal.
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Yeah. If they were really serious they'd be recommending a fit tested P-100 single or dual cartridge full face respirator and not some half mask thingy where you have to bend the metal strip to approximate a seal.
Right. Even with a respirator (I own several), One often has to grease the contact area to increase the seal capability - And again, a standard respirator does nothing to control exhaust... And if everyone is exhausting freely and eyes are not protected, AGAIN, doing nothing.
FULL FACE, as you said, is all that is approaching any sort of effectiveness.
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I ordered a cloth mask with charcoal filters you place inside over a month ago. It finally was shipped on Thursday. I should get it in about a week. I can’t wait. I’ve been going out about twice a month to go shopping, and once a week just to start the car and take her for about a mile drive just so the battery doesn’t die.
You can’t get the other kind of mask unless you are a first responder. I went to the grocery store yesterday and I saw that all the employees there were wearing these masks.
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If you can smell a fart through it - and I guarantee you can - It isn't doing anything against a virus, which is a much smaller 'particle'.
OK, stop it. This is not even remotely true.
The smell of farts comes from sulfide molecules. The smallest of these, hydrogen sulfide, is two hydrogen atoms and a sulfur atom. No air filter can stop a molecule that small. Only an airtight barrier could stop a fart.
A virus molecule is several orders of magnitude larger than the sulfides and thiols that constitute the smelly part of a fart, especially a virus that has a lipid (complex carbon) outer layer like coronavirus does. Coronavirus molecules are, relatively speaking, HUGE.
So say what you will about whether or not these viruses can be stopped with a mask, in or out, but this argument that "it can't stop a fart" is so grossly unscientific that it must have come from some overseas Facebook troll farm.
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You have to wonder about all those people who stingily bought 2 tons of toilet paper and paper towels. Was just in a supermarket lately, plenty of TP and paper products. No shortage at all.
@240B
Still none to buy at my local chain grocery store. I asked the guys stocking shelves,and they told me that they normally get it and stock it on the shelves by 8 AM every morning the truck comes,and it's sold out by 9 AM.
People are STILL hoarding it.
Not that I am in much of a position to whine about it. I normally buy several months worth every time I run out,and stock up both my workshop and my house with both,and replace my used stock when I get down to the last package of either.
This is just because it's not expensive,doesn't spoil,and I can normally buy it in bulk and then not have to worry about running out for a while.
Still,I guess some people might call me a hoarder,too.
Getting down to maybe 3 or 4 rolls of paper towels now,and probably 6 rolls of TP,so the first time I see the shelves restocked,I will buy a pack or two of each to hold me out until "normal times" return.
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OK, stop it. This is not even remotely true.
The smell of farts comes from sulfide molecules. The smallest of these, hydrogen sulfide, is two hydrogen atoms and a sulfur atom. No air filter can stop a molecule that small. Only an airtight barrier could stop a fart.
A virus molecule is several orders of magnitude larger than the sulfides and thiols that constitute the smelly part of a fart, especially a virus that has a lipid (complex carbon) outer layer like coronavirus does. Coronavirus molecules are, relatively speaking, HUGE.
So say what you will about whether or not these viruses can be stopped with a mask, in or out, but this argument that "it can't stop a fart" is so grossly unscientific that it must have come from some overseas Facebook troll farm.
No, it comes from long experience as a painter. If smells are getting through your mask (respirator), it is no longer functioning, or is not getting a seal... Good rule of thumb. And paper/cloth filters are laughable by comparison to a respirator.
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@240B
Still none to buy at my local chain grocery store. I asked the guys stocking shelves,and they told me that they normally get it and stock it on the shelves by 8 AM every morning the truck comes,and it's sold out by 9 AM.
People are STILL hoarding it.
Not that I am in much of a position to whine about it. I normally buy several months worth every time I run out,and stock up both my workshop and my house with both,and replace my used stock when I get down to the last package of either.
This is just because it's not expensive,doesn't spoil,and I can normally buy it in bulk and then not have to worry about running out for a while.
Still,I guess some people might call me a hoarder,too.
Getting down to maybe 3 or 4 rolls of paper towels now,and probably 6 rolls of TP,so the first time I see the shelves restocked,I will buy a pack or two of each to hold me out until "normal times" return.
@sneakypete
The difference must be that I am in city center and you are rural. Where I am, there is no shortage of anything. All the TP and paper towels you can eat. My life is the same as it ever was. Maybe you are in one of the States that loves the pandemic meme. They could be restricting truck traffic or deliveries somehow. The shortages could be intentional.
For us, these are already 'normal times'. Funny thing is all I have for a mask is a Jesse James type bandana which I wear like an outlaw. It's like Halloween.
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Not really.Them N95s are pretty useless against paint volatiles (or farts). And the exhaust port allows unfiltered exhalation too.
The point of wearing a mask it protect the other person from catching it from you. People seem to have lost track of that, especially with the vented N95 masks.
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The point of wearing a mask it protect the other person from catching it from you. People seem to have lost track of that, especially with the vented N95 masks.
The point of wearing a mask is to be kind to others, and as you said, protect them from you.
It's that simple. Love your neighbor as yourself.
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The point of wearing a mask it protect the other person from catching it from you. People seem to have lost track of that, especially with the vented N95 masks.
Right. Utterly ineffective.
And cloth/paper masks are no better. Once they are moist, the exhalation just blows back out the sides.
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The point of wearing a mask is to be kind to others, and as you said, protect them from you.
It's that simple. Love your neighbor as yourself.
I'm fine with all that, as long as it doesn't become a signal of virtue. "I'm better than you because I'm not 'selfish,' as you are." Do we really want to reduce freedom and earning one's keep to "being selfish?"
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Right. Utterly ineffective.
And cloth/paper masks are no better. Once they are moist, the exhalation just blows back out the sides.
The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program. "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker." A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."
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The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program. "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker." A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."
That's right.
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@sneakypete
The difference must be that I am in city center and you are rural. Where I am, there is no shortage of anything. All the TP and paper towels you can eat. My life is the same as it ever was. Maybe you are in one of the States that loves the pandemic meme. They could be restricting truck traffic or deliveries somehow. The shortages could be intentional.
For us, these are already 'normal times'. Funny thing is all I have for a mask is a Jesse James type bandana which I wear like an outlaw. It's like Halloween.
IMHO city v. rural is kind of a moot point. I'm in Colorado Springs (pop. 600k) and I've seen store shelves here completely bare of TP and sanitary wipes and hand sanitizer. It's gotten a little better in the last three weeks or so...but the shelves are still sparsely stocked.
And now even on base they are beginning to limit people to two items of meat per trip to the store.
It's freaking ridiculous.
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The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program. "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker." A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."
Expect states to roll out a social credit system any day now, with extra credit given for good mask wearing. Another contribution to American society courtesy of the Chicoms.
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Well ... here's several articles in favor of masks....
If 80% of Americans Wore Masks, COVID-19 Infections Would Plummet, New Study Says
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says)
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/covid-19-cases-would-plummet-if-80-of-americans-wore-face-masks-study-says (https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/covid-19-cases-would-plummet-if-80-of-americans-wore-face-masks-study-says)
https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507 (https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507)
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Expect states to roll out a social credit system any day now, with extra credit given for good mask wearing. Another contribution to American society courtesy of the Chicoms.
What I don't like about this new trend is it trivializes genuine concern about "public health." You either agree with conventional wisdom, or you are a bad person. And you now what they say about conventional wisdom....
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IMHO city v. rural is kind of a moot point. I'm in Colorado Springs (pop. 600k) and I've seen store shelves here completely bare of TP and sanitary wipes and hand sanitizer. It's gotten a little better in the last three weeks or so...but the shelves are still sparsely stocked.
And now even on base they are beginning to limit people to two items of meat per trip to the store.
It's freaking ridiculous.
I don't know?
May be a difference in mentality. Since no one, or very few are hording here, everyone is sure they can always get what they need when they need. Ergo, no shortages.
That's only a guess. As I said before, it may be a State restrictions thing? No problem here at all.
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The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program. "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker." A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."
That's nonsense.
There are lots of people who can't wear mask because of extenuating circumstances, health and otherwise.
You pay far too much attention to the media and not to the average American.
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What I don't like about this new trend is it trivializes genuine concern about "public health." You either agree with conventional wisdom, or you are a bad person. And you now what they say about conventional wisdom....
The anti-intellectuals rule. It’s been a long time coming.
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That's nonsense.
There are lots of people who can't wear mask because of extenuating circumstances, health and otherwise.
You pay far too much attention to the media and not to the average American.
Can't help that, the media is the window to the world, and they don't care about "average Americans." I can tell you that if "mask shaming" ever takes hold of our society, the ones you describe who should not wear masks will be the new victims of bias and bigotry. Do we want that? Leftists do.
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Sneetches wearing masks are the best on the beaches.
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You have to wonder about all those people who stingily bought 2 tons of toilet paper and paper towels. Was just in a supermarket lately, plenty of TP and paper products. No shortage at all. Good luck trying to sell a truck load of TP now. The stuff is everywhere.
In hindsight, there never was a real shortage except the one created by shortsighted stupid people hording. Now they have to figure out how to eat it.
While they were all fixated on hording paper products, I was buying actual food. I can always figure out a way to wipe my butt, but I cannot make food out of nothing. People got caught up in the emotion of the moment and lost all their common sense. Now they are paying for it.
Now we have a meat shortage. Just bought groceries... $7 for hamburger meat...ridiculous!!! Cattle prices are actually low, it's the meat packers that are making a killing. Dang those Green Bay Packers! happy77
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Now we have a meat shortage. Just bought groceries... $7 for hamburger meat...ridiculous!!! Cattle prices are actually low, it's the meat packers that are making a killing. Dang those Green Bay Packers! happy77
Haven't bought meat in many months, and still have plenty now for another 3-4 months. So, I cannot speak to what is going on with the meat. Guess I'll find out in August-September, somewhere around there.
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Can't help that, the media is the window to the world, and they don't care about "average Americans." I can tell you that if "mask shaming" ever takes hold of our society, the ones you describe who should not wear masks will be the new victims of bias and bigotry. Do we want that? Leftists do.
Doesn’t mean thinking people have to be paranoid.
What you said was sheer paranoia. **nononono* (As is the irrationality behind much of the anti mask movement).
Some of yous guys here just need to go for a walk in the fresh air.
Reality is far more pleasant than this place gets sometimes with all your conspiracies.
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Doesn’t mean thinking people have to be paranoid.
What you said was sheer paranoia. **nononono* (As is the irrationality behind much of the anti mask movement).
Some of yous guys here just need to go for a walk in the fresh air.
Reality is far more pleasant than this place gets sometimes with all your conspiracies.
Paranoia? **nononono*
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LA Fitness to reopen Georgia gyms with new coronavirus safety measures
Scott Trubey - AJC | 5/17/2020
LA Fitness, which operates about 40 gyms in the Atlanta area, said it will begin reopening its centers in Georgia this week after instituting new hygiene protocols to help prevent the spread of COVID-19.
In a Saturday email to members, the company said it will reopen Georgia locations on Friday with a preview period for clients to see new health and safety changes. The email said clients would not be billed during the preview period, which lasts through May 31. . . .
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/fitness-reopen-georgia-gyms-with-new-coronavirus-safety-measures/4pAbls9UJac2fDiJOo8miK/ (https://www.ajc.com/news/local/fitness-reopen-georgia-gyms-with-new-coronavirus-safety-measures/4pAbls9UJac2fDiJOo8miK/)
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Doesn’t mean thinking people have to be paranoid.
Reality is far more pleasant than this place gets sometimes with all your conspiracies.
Paranoid? I been walking around in the fresh air all the way along. :shrug: :whistle:
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Paranoid? I been walking around in the fresh air all the way along. :shrug: :whistle:
Don't look now, but we're being dismissed as "conspiracy theorists."
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Don't look now, but we're being dismissed as "conspiracy theorists."
I know. Somehow reality has become a conspiracy.... Go figger. :whistle:
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The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program. "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker." A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."
Yes. Paranoia.
This is nonsense.
You’re smarter that this, Cyber. Every one I know who’s wearing a mask is doing so to protect others, and based on medical knowledge. (And that’s a heck of a lot of people).
The idea that it’s some kind of conspiracy to separate the sheep from the goats is pure nonsense.
You seriously need to get away for a while.
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I know. Somehow reality has become a conspiracy.... Go figger. :whistle:
Or conspiracy has become some people’s “reality.â€
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Or conspiracy has become some people’s “reality.â€
Nope.
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Nope.
Yep.
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Yes. Paranoia.
This is nonsense.
You’re smarter that this, Cyber. Every one I know who’s wearing a mask is doing so to protect others, and based on medical knowledge. (And that’s a heck of a lot of people).
And then there are those of us who don't have masks because some a-hole ahead of us in line bought out the whole store. So we simply avoid people in general and refrain from getting near anyone's face. We call it 'anti-social distancing'.
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Yep.
Nope. Shutting down a country? You've got to be kidding me.
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I was confronted with this $hit Friday. I went to the Dr's office for my bi-annual checkup and they required a call from the parking lot to confirm your appearance for your previously scheduled appointment AND a Face mask to go in! I still remember how easy it use to be.
I drove away as far and quick as I could in my new car and fortunately I quickly settled down and promptly turned around from 3/4 of the way to the Pedernales River where my ol Lady is staying at (she's got a $1200 Coronavirus check she's itching to cash).
And if your wondering what this has to do with Covid-19, I'm wondering if I should pressure wash my Metal Roof to further protect me from 'The Virus'? :shrug:
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Yes. Paranoia.
This is nonsense.
You’re smarter that this, Cyber. Every one I know who’s wearing a mask is doing so to protect others, and based on medical knowledge. (And that’s a heck of a lot of people).
The idea that it’s some kind of conspiracy to separate the sheep from the goats is pure nonsense.
You seriously need to get away for a while.
How about...you do what you wanna do in regards to a mask...let others like @Cyber Liberty do as they see fit and quit trying to shame people into bending to your will with ridicule and panic?
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You’re smarter that this, Cyber. Every one I know who’s wearing a mask is doing so to protect others, and based on medical knowledge. (And that’s a heck of a lot of people).
The idea that it’s some kind of conspiracy to separate the sheep from the goats is pure nonsense. You seriously need to get away for a while.
For you @Cyber Liberty :laugh:
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Nope. Shutting down a country? You've got to be kidding me.
@roamer_1 she all for shutting down the country the way the Lockdown Inc people want us to do for as long as they say and she'll try to ridicule and shame you into bending to her way of seeing things.
It's everything wrong with this silliness and ginned up panic over this particular virus.
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@roamer_1 she all for shutting down the country the way the Lockdown Inc people want us to do for as long as they say and she'll try to ridicule and shame you into bending to her way of seeing things.
It's everything wrong with this silliness and ginned up panic over this particular virus.
Never paid it no mind at all.
locking down the sick and susceptible is 'quarantine'
Locking up everyone is tyranny, and I knew not to comply immediately.,
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Never paid it no mind at all.
locking down the sick and susceptible is 'quarantine'
Locking up everyone is tyranny, and I knew not to comply immediately.,
Exactly
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Leaving this thread for a while with this fact....
The 1824 Supreme Court case, Gibbons v Ogden states that the individual states have the authority Constitutionally to enact quarantine laws and health laws of every description.
If you boys feel your states are overstepping their Constitutional authority to protect their citizens, then I suggest you either move to a more Conservative state or elect more Conservative state leaders.
I come to this thread occasionally for information, which most posters provide. But I stay away from it when the conspiracy nonsense starts oozing out.
So for now..... :seeya:
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Is it safe to say I'm worried about the major infringements upon our constitutional rights yet?
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Leaving this thread for a while with this fact....
The 1824 Supreme Court case, Gibbons v Ogden states that the individual states have the authority Constitutionally to enact quarantine laws and health laws of every description.
If you boys feel your states are overstepping their Constitutional authority to protect their citizens, then I suggest you either move to a more Conservative state or elect more Conservative state leaders.
I come to this thread occasionally for information, which most posters provide. But I stay away from it when the conspiracy nonsense starts oozing out.
So for now..... :seeya:
Clearly you never actually read Ogden and relied on someone's facebook meme about it.
Ogden states:
Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. (9 Wheat.) 1 (1824), was a landmark decision in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the power to regulate interstate commerce, granted to Congress by the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution, encompassed the power to regulate navigation.[1][2] The case was argued by some of America's most admired and capable attorneys at the time. Exiled Irish patriot Thomas Addis Emmet and Thomas J. Oakley argued for Ogden, while U.S. Attorney General William Wirt and Daniel Webster argued for Gibbons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbons_v._Ogden
No where in Ogden does it say anything about "the states right to quarantine".
Tell me again about who is providing information and who is dawdling in "conspiracy nonsense"?
Here's the courts final ruling from the link above:
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gibbons. Congress had the right to regulate interstate commerce. The sole decided source of Congress's power to promulgate the law at issue was the Commerce Clause. Accordingly, the Court had to answer whether the law regulated "commerce" that was "among the several states." With respect to "commerce," the Court held that commerce is more than mere traffic—that it is the trade of commodities. This broader definition includes navigation. The Court interpreted "among" as "intermingled with."
"If, as has always been understood, the sovereignty of Congress, though limited to specified objects, is plenary as to those objects, the power over commerce with foreign nations and among the several states is vested in Congress as absolutely as it would be in a single government, having in its constitution the same restrictions on the exercise of the power as are found in the Constitution of the United States."
The part of the ruling which stated that any license granted under the Federal Coasting Act of 1793 takes precedence over any similar license granted by a state is also in the spirit of the Supremacy Clause, although the Court did not specifically cite this clause.
The Court did not discuss the argument pressed for Gibbons by U.S. Attorney General Wirt that the federal patent laws preempted New York's patent grant to Fulton and Livingston.[8] That question remained undecided for the next 140 years until the Supreme Court held in Sears, Roebuck & Co. v. Stiffel Co. (1964) that federal patent law preempted similar state laws.
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Is it safe to say I'm worried about the major infringements upon our constitutional rights yet?
More than safe to say.
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More than safe to say.
Used to be, anyway....now it's just paranoia. :shrug:
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Used to be, anyway....now it's just paranoia. :shrug:
Sometimes it is. Sometimes being vigilant and aware and educated doesn't mean thinking there's evil lurking around every corner and everyone in the world is out to get you. Sometimes all you have to do is find the experts you trust who have no ulterior motive and believe that their education and expertise is what informs their advice.
Sometimes wearing a mask to keep other people safe is just that.....
Being caring enough to keep your neighbors safe and educated enough to know what helps. No sheep. No goats. No evil lurking. No conspiracy.
It's seriously better for one's emotional well being.
Seriously.
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Leaving this thread for a while with this fact....
The 1824 Supreme Court case, Gibbons v Ogden states that the individual states have the authority Constitutionally to enact quarantine laws and health laws of every description.
But we're not dealing with quarantine "laws". We are dealing with edicts and mandates issued by governors with zero legislative backing.
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But we're not dealing with quarantine "laws". We are dealing with edicts and mandates issued by governors with zero legislative backing.
@Hoodat she's note ben dealing with "quarantine laws" the case she cited has nothing to do with them.
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Sometimes it is. Sometimes being vigilant and aware and educated doesn't mean thinking there's evil lurking around every corner and everyone in the world is out to get you. Sometimes all you have to do is find the experts you trust who have no ulterior motive and believe that their education and expertise is what informs their advice.
Sometimes wearing a mask to keep other people safe is just that.....
Being caring enough to keep your neighbors safe and educated enough to know what helps. No sheep. No goats. No evil lurking. No conspiracy.
It's seriously better for one's emotional well being.
Seriously.
Yeah... no.
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@Hoodat she's note ben dealing with "quarantine laws" the case she cited has nothing to do with them.
Besides, that is already covered under Amendment X. The problem today is outlaw governors who are violating their own State laws and Constitutions. The governor of Wisconsin just got smacked down by his own State Supreme Court. So no, there is nothing in Gibbons that gives governors the right to violate the laws of their own States.
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Besides, that is already covered under Amendment X. The problem today is outlaw governors who are violating their own State laws and Constitutions. The governor of Wisconsin just got smacked down by his own State Supreme Court. So no, there is nothing in Gibbons that gives governors the right to violate the laws of their own States.
My governor has been getting smacked around pretty good in the 1st Amendment area lately...and rightfully so. I'm waiting form someone to step in and put a halt to the racism being put on full display by the Michigan Governor.
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My governor has been getting smacked around pretty good in the 1st Amendment area lately...and rightfully so. I'm waiting form someone to step in and put a halt to the racism being put on full display by the Michigan Governor.
We got a crat governor too... But he knows better. Besides, nobody is listening to it anymore.
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OK, stop it. This is not even remotely true.
The smell of farts comes from sulfide molecules. The smallest of these, hydrogen sulfide, is two hydrogen atoms and a sulfur atom. No air filter can stop a molecule that small. Only an airtight barrier could stop a fart.
A virus molecule is several orders of magnitude larger than the sulfides and thiols that constitute the smelly part of a fart, especially a virus that has a lipid (complex carbon) outer layer like coronavirus does. Coronavirus molecules are, relatively speaking, HUGE.
So say what you will about whether or not these viruses can be stopped with a mask, in or out, but this argument that "it can't stop a fart" is so grossly unscientific that it must have come from some overseas Facebook troll farm.
If that coronavirus molecule is "huge", keep in mind the pores in an N-95 mask are even larger.
(I have worn respirators that will stop the smell of a fart. They have a limited ability to capture H2S with the right filters. They are not certified as either escape or entry equipment for even STEL/TLV environments, but it is a feature that comes with the acid gas filters. They are a quantum leap above what is being touted as "safe".)
That doesn't even go into portable air filtration units used to provide positive pressure environments, nor SCBA, nor piped in air in full suits, which would be more compliant with BSL-4 protocols.
What is being bandied about as 'safe' is really on the low end of the protective spectrum.
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We got a crat governor too... But he knows better. Besides, nobody is listening to it anymore.
Same here in Colorado (where I'm stationed not where home is). Went in Walmart last Saturday and despite the very clearly worded notice stating otherwise...my self and about 70% of the people in the store weren't wearing masks.
And paying attention to those one way direction signs on the floor wasn't even a thought in my mind.
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If that coronavirus molecule is "huge", keep in mind the pores in an N-95 mask are even larger.
(I have worn respirators that will stop the smell of a fart. They have a limited ability to capture H2S with the right filters. They are not certified as either escape or entry equipment for even STEL/TLV environments, but it is a feature that comes with the acid gas filters. They are a quantum leap above what is being touted as "safe".)
That doesn't even go into portable air filtration units used to provide positive pressure environments, nor SCBA, nor piped in air in full suits, which would be more compliant with BSL-4 protocols.
What is being bandied about as 'safe' is really on the low end of the protective spectrum.
But if it saves one life.... /sarc
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Same here in Colorado (where I'm stationed not where home is). Went in Walmart last Saturday and despite the very clearly worded notice stating otherwise...my self and about 70% of the people in the store weren't wearing masks.
And paying attention to those one way direction signs on the floor wasn't even a thought in my mind.
I didn't even notice the arrows in a local grocery store until I had gone down most of the aisles the wrong way already. Just lucky I didn't run up on a herd head to head...(the place was fairly empty).
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I think even Fauci himself called the mask wearing, security theater.
I wear one just to get inside a store for provisions.
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I've been saying we, the people would be willing to give the gummint 4-6 weeks before we start to rebel against "sheltering in place. After that, it will require force by the gummint to keep people in their place.
True to form, while most states have lifted most restrictions, the Rat-run states are trying to maintain the grip, and in those states we're seeing people starting to fight back. This will not go well for blue states.
For noting this, I am called paranoid. Go figger. :shrug:
Semi-related: Why do people always leave out the last three words of the 10th Amendment? The 10th is not just about States Rights.
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I think even Fauci himself called the mask wearing, security theater.
I wear one just to get inside a store for provisions.
"Security Theater." I like that.
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I think even Fauci himself called the mask wearing, security theater.
I wear one just to get inside a store for provisions.
The only reason I do it at all these days is because I don't want the full weight and authority of a Two Star General coming down on me in the last couple months I have as a member of the Green Machine when I want to walk into the PX or the Commissary.
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Oh lucky me. I have many respirators... Pretty good ones. I have no idea where they are... But I don't own own of those silly ass masks. And I won't wear one.
And I won't have to.
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For noting this, I am called paranoid. Go figger. :shrug:
Dope smokers are paranoid. You must be one of those weed puffin hippies too.
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Dope smokers are paranoid. You must be one of those weed puffin hippies too.
:beer:
That must be it. Flashbacks from the 70's.
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Oh lucky me. I have many respirators... Pretty good ones. I have no idea where they are... But I don't own own of those silly ass masks. And I won't wear one.
And I won't have to.
I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
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Oh lucky me. I have many respirators... Pretty good ones. I have no idea where they are... But I don't own own of those silly ass masks. And I won't wear one.
And I won't have to.
I just found my kid's old paintball mask. Maybe I should wear that to the Home Despot.
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I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
LOL!
A trailer hitch with a couple tanks towed around behind you as you're walking along might be a nice touch... :laugh:
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LOL!
A trailer hitch with a couple tanks towed around behind you as you're walking along might be a nice touch... :laugh:
888high58888
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I just found my kid's old paintball mask. Maybe I should wear that to the Home Despot.
It all depends, is their paint all over it or is it fairly clean? happy77 I've seen masks with smiley 'joker faces' and camouflage; anything goes.
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It all depends, is their paint all over it or is it fairly clean? happy77 I've seen masks with smiley 'joker faces' and camouflage; anything goes.
It's clean, had not been hit with a ball. It looks like a Darth Vader mask with eyes you can see through.
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Dope smokers are paranoid. You must be one of those weed puffin hippies too.
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@roamer_1
I passed that point of Paranoid back in the 70's (on pot). With my extensive experience I have now perfected that into '"I'm OK, It's YOU that is f*cked Up!.
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In many states, it is illegal to enter a store with a mask on.
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It's clean, had not been hit with a ball. It looks like a Darth Vader mask with eyes you can see through.
Go for it! It matches your "secret agent man" persona. 888blackhat
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I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
That won't freak anyone out. People are wearing Spiderman, Batman, KKK, Cat, masks among others. People are wearing all kinds of weird crap out there. I'm not sure all of them know it is a joke. They just heard 'wear a mask', so they wore a mask.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Protest_ACTA_2012-02-11_-_Toulouse_-_05_-_Anonymous_guy_with_a_scarf.jpg/210px-Protest_ACTA_2012-02-11_-_Toulouse_-_05_-_Anonymous_guy_with_a_scarf.jpg)
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I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
I have an old WWII/Korea era gas mask, but I have full face respirator and tyveks, and nitrile gauntlets, too...
Decisions, decisions...
Correction, it's an M17A2 model, after 1959.
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I've been half tempted just break out my M40 protective mask just to freak people out.
@txradioguy
People will try to either buy it from you,or shame you out of it by telling you they need it for a child.
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@roamer_1
I passed that point of Paranoid back in the 70's (on pot). With my extensive experience I have now perfected that into '"I'm OK, It's YOU that is f*cked Up!.
LOL! And you may be right... :beer:
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Coronavirus cases have yet to spike in US areas reopening, HHS head says (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,402274.msg2212855.html#msg2212855)
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Coronavirus cases have yet to spike in US areas reopening, HHS head says (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,402274.msg2212855.html#msg2212855)
We should find out after two weeks whether or not there's a spike.
Retail here opened last week, so in another week, we'll find out if there are any significant additional cases.
Yesterday's numbers in Ohio were very promising....... 384 additional cases from Saturday to Sunday (confirmed), and only 15 additional confirmed deaths (some of the lowest numbers since early April).
Since deaths are a lagging indicator, it will probably take longer to assess if opening up has affected things, but the number of cases should show up in the next week. We've had patio dining in restaurants open up already, and indoor eating will come later this week. (The bars are where the trouble will probably be...... social distancing while drunk is not likely).
I'll be keeping track of the numbers (confirmed, not the additional CDC numbers) and report back as to whether or not we've had a spike here.
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Coronavirus cases have yet to spike in US areas reopening, HHS head says (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,402274.msg2212855.html#msg2212855)
@jmyrlefuller
WTH?????
HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?
Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.
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@jmyrlefuller
WTH?????
HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?
Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.
We started opening the last week of April @sneakypete ... with no bump in incidents whatsoever. But then, we hardly had it here anyhow.
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05-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.482 ↑ | 2.227 ↓ |
| United States | 3.807 ↑ | 4.410 ↓ |
| China | 16.881 ↓ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 750,755
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.1 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.1 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Global recovery rates (reported) are over twice US rates. Recoveries continue to go unreported.
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@jmyrlefuller
WTH?????
HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?
Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.
Consider, though: the average incubation period is about 5½ days, and testing has improved, both in speed and availability, dramatically since the beginning of the outbreak. Now instead of 2-3 weeks from the date of infection, it's closer to 7-10 days on average before the positive test shows up—and that's even before contact tracing catches any asymptomatic carriers in a positive case's inner circle. So it's likely that any substantial increase would start showing up by now.
(He also said "yet.")
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Consider, though: the average incubation period is about 5½ days, and testing has improved, both in speed and availability, dramatically since the beginning of the outbreak. Now instead of 2-3 weeks from the date of infection, it's closer to 7-10 days on average before the positive test shows up—and that's even before contact tracing catches any asymptomatic carriers in a positive case's inner circle. So it's likely that any substantial increase would start showing up by now.
(He also said "yet.")
@jmyrlefuller
thanks.
Ok,I guess I will tone my grumble down to a whine. For the time being,anyhow.
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Avoiding Risks During Reopening (https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them)
Fascinating study of how the Coronavirus has spread (factually) and how to avoid the risks of being in the same situation. Remembering that many, many people are asymptomatic (and in these particular cases were not showing any signs of the disease), it's good to know what situations to avoid, and which are less risky.
For example, being in an enclosed indoor space (even with social distancing) is much riskier than being together outside.
The article lists some risky situations based on where the disease actually spread. Especially interesting to me was the tragic choir rehearsal in Washington, where precautions were taken to keep people safe, yet 45 of 60 people in the choir got sick and two died....
Choir: The community choir in Washington State. Even though people were aware of the virus and took steps to minimize transfer; e.g. they avoided the usual handshakes and hugs hello, people also brought their own music to avoid sharing, and socially distanced themselves during practice. They even went to the lengths to tell choir members prior to practice that anyone experiencing symptoms should stay home. A single asymptomatic carrier infected most of the people in attendance. The choir sang for 2 1/2 hours, inside an enclosed rehearsal hall which was roughly the size of a volleyball court.
Singing, to a greater degree than talking, aerosolizes respiratory droplets extraordinarily well. Deep-breathing while singing facilitated those respiratory droplets getting deep into the lungs. Two and half hours of exposure ensured that people were exposed to enough virus over a long enough period of time for infection to take place. Over a period of 4 days, 45 of the 60 choir members developed symptoms, 2 died. The youngest infected was 31, but they averaged 67 years old. (corrected link)
Good reason for churches NOT to have choir practice. The infected person was asymptomatic and precautions were taken and yet.....
The restaurant example from China is particularly revealing because some people near the (asymptomatic) infected person did not get sick because of the air flow, but many others did.... (diagram in article)
Restaurants: Some really great shoe-leather epidemiology demonstrated clearly the effect of a single asymptomatic carrier in a restaurant environment (see below). The infected person (A1) sat at a table and had dinner with 9 friends. Dinner took about 1 to 1.5 hours. During this meal, the asymptomatic carrier released low-levels of virus into the air from their breathing. Airflow (from the restaurant's various airflow vents) was from right to left. Approximately 50% of the people at the infected person's table became sick over the next 7 days. 75% of the people on the adjacent downwind table became infected. And even 2 of the 7 people on the upwind table were infected (believed to happen by turbulent airflow). No one at tables E or F became infected, they were out of the main airflow from the air conditioner on the right to the exhaust fan on the left of the room. (Ref)
It's critical that we continue to open up the economy, but it's also important that we understand how to keep as safe as possible.
For those interested, it's a good read.
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Avoiding Risks During Reopening (https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them)
Fascinating study of how the Coronavirus has spread (factually) and how to avoid the risks of being in the same situation. Remembering that many, many people are asymptomatic (and in these particular cases were not showing any signs of the disease), it's good to know what situations to avoid, and which are less risky.
For example, being in an enclosed indoor space (even with social distancing) is much riskier than being together outside.
The article lists some risky situations based on where the disease actually spread. Especially interesting to me was the tragic choir rehearsal in Washington, where precautions were taken to keep people safe, yet 45 of 60 people in the choir got sick and two died....
Good reason for churches NOT to have choir practice. The infected person was asymptomatic and precautions were taken and yet.....
The restaurant example from China is particularly revealing because some people near the (asymptomatic) infected person did not get sick because of the air flow, but many others did.... (diagram in article)
It's critical that we continue to open up the economy, but it's also important that we understand how to keep as safe as possible.
For those interested, it's a good read.
That's very interesting News we can Use! Thanks! :beer:
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That's very interesting News we can Use! Thanks! :beer:
You're most welcome!
I found it helpful regarding being outside vs inside and thought the actual spread in a restaurant was fascinating.
Of course I always knew as a singer that I spit alot, but it was good to know to avoid spitting in an enclosed space. wink777
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You're most welcome!
I found it helpful regarding being outside vs inside and thought the actual spread in a restaurant was fascinating.
Of course I always knew as a singer that I spit alot, but it was good to know to avoid spitting in an enclosed space. wink777
Song-spitting and deep breathing seemed to be the killer for that poor choir. 8888crybaby
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Song-spitting and deep breathing seemed to be the killer for that poor choir. 8888crybaby
They say there was social distancing, but knowing how small a volleyball court is, it would have been practically impossible, with that many people in such a small space, to do so properly. A volleyball court holds 12 players, six on each side, and each one is separated by almost exactly six feet of space in each direction. So five times that many people, plus room for the piano and conductor, would mean there could not have been anywhere near the recommended distance.
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Song-spitting and deep breathing seemed to be the killer for that poor choir. 8888crybaby
The thing is that they THOUGHT they were being safe and had no idea one of them was infected (because a huge percentage of carriers have no symptoms).
They could have cancelled that rehearsal, but they didn't and two people died. **nononono*
It's a shame.
And a cautionary tale to those who return to life as normal without being as careful as they need to be to prevent this kind of tragedy.
For me it was helpful to know that indoor spaces are much more dangerous (though not surprising). The church we attend is going to start meeting in early June, but they will be meeting outside in the parking lot, which based on this information is a good idea.
Churches in Ohio have never been shut down, but most pastors here have not met together in large worship services because of concern for their congregations. However, I don't think the Church has ever been more active than it is now, in spite of, or perhaps because of the creative ways needed to keep their ministries and worship going in this crisis.
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@jmyrlefuller
WTH?????
HOW is he in a position to make that claim,when it can ONLY be made a couple of weeks after the peak infection level has passed,and is determined to have passed by the lower number of new cases?
Whoever misspoke THAT brain fart needs to be fired.
They are wildly guessing. Trying to keep panic stoked alone us.
They've been wildly guessing all along.
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Avoiding Risks During Reopening (https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them)
Fascinating study of how the Coronavirus has spread (factually) and how to avoid the risks of being in the same situation. Remembering that many, many people are asymptomatic (and in these particular cases were not showing any signs of the disease), it's good to know what situations to avoid, and which are less risky.
For example, being in an enclosed indoor space (even with social distancing) is much riskier than being together outside.
The article lists some risky situations based on where the disease actually spread. Especially interesting to me was the tragic choir rehearsal in Washington, where precautions were taken to keep people safe, yet 45 of 60 people in the choir got sick and two died....
Good reason for churches NOT to have choir practice. The infected person was asymptomatic and precautions were taken and yet.....
The restaurant example from China is particularly revealing because some people near the (asymptomatic) infected person did not get sick because of the air flow, but many others did.... (diagram in article)
It's critical that we continue to open up the economy, but it's also important that we understand how to keep as safe as possible.
For those interested, it's a good read.
Don't go outside. you might get skin cancer! Do walk through a cross walk. You might get hit by a car.
Life is full of risks. You take risks getting in the shower every day. Does the mean we we should refrain from bathing because of the fall risk?
This paranoid delusion that has beset people because of this particular virus when there are far deadlier ones out there is the dumbest most head scratching thing I've ever seen.
And the way it's turned rational...thinking people...into quivering piles of goo is tragic.
You DON'T forcibly quarantine healthy people the way they have been done with the Wuhan Flu.
It's not healthy it doesn't build up ANY immunity to this virus and there's no proof it stops or "flatten's the curve" of the virus.
And the people who ignore the research and the data that supports this and instead help to spread the panic porn that this is the worst thing to happen to the planet since the meteor that killed the dinosaurs are not serious thinking people.
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I'm not even close to being finished...bud
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One of our 3 resident infectious disease specialists pipes up again with his infinite wisdom.
*****rollingeyes*****
(Guess I'll have to put this normally rational person back on Ignore until his crisis passes).
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One of our 3 resident infectious disease specialists pipes up again with his infinite wisdom.
*****rollingeyes*****
(Guess I'll have to put this normally rational person back on Ignore until his crisis passes).
LOL! that's rich coming from you after your SCOTUS case disaster the other day. By the way never did find the link in the case you cited and your claim it covers quarantines.
I'm still "normally rational". You're the one that's lost your ever loving mind during this virus.
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As the CDC and other public health agencies know, quarantine by itself may delay the spread of an infectious disease, but it cannot prevent or end any disease outbreak. It has not succeeded in the past and is ill-suited to the realities of the contemporary world.
A better way to fight infectious disease outbreaks is by creating a resilient population that is more likely to withstand potential epidemics. As my colleague Michael Ulrich and I wrote in the SMU Law Review in 2018, “Populations with good nutrition, high literacy rates, adequate income, and access to appropriate medical care, social services, and sources of reliable information are better prepared to understand the meaning of an outbreak and what to do in response.†They are also less likely to suffer severe illness if the infection spreads to them.
Even in a reasonably resilient population like the United States, limiting the spread of a novel pathogen depends on public trust in government recommendations. But trust goes both ways. Government must also trust people to follow reasonable recommendations. And it can do that if its recommendations are reasonable and credible and people have the means to voluntarily comply with them.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/28/quarantine-coronavirus-make-that-unnecessary/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/28/quarantine-coronavirus-make-that-unnecessary/)
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LOL! that's rich coming from you after your SCOTUS case disaster the other day. By the way never did find the link in the case you cited and your claim it covers quarantines.
I'm still "normally rational". You're the one that's lost your ever loving mind during this virus.
Sorry bud, but you're really, really angry about this, and it's impossible to have a rational discussion with you in your agitated state of mind.
As for that "disaster" I have no idea what you're talking about. :shrug:
Maybe that's because even when I don't have you on Ignore, I scroll right by whatever raving you happen to be doing on this particular topic.
It's got you all out of sorts, and I prefer to think of you as you are on other topics. Rational.
In the mean time, I'll continue to post and respond to actual information on this thread, and request that you leave me alone. And I will continue to live in peace and harmony, using this precious time God is giving us to learn and grow.
So, be well @txradioguy , and I'll see you again after your foul mood passes. :seeya:
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Sorry bud, but you're really, really angry about this, and it's impossible to have a rational discussion with you in your agitated state of mind.
You need some help...here let me show you what ails you right now when you make silly statements like the one above.
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target. It incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)
It's normally a Liberal trait found heavily amongst the denizens of DU.
You seem to be an exception to this rule.
In the mean time, I'll continue to post and respond to actual information on this thread, and request that you leave me alone. And I will continue to live in peace and harmony, using this precious time God is giving us to learn and grow.
I don't leave propagandists and fear mongers alone at all. I will counter your fear and propaganda all day long and you can shove your "leave me alone" crap. Can't stand people who do the kind of crap you're doing. Never have...never will.
As for your claim to post
actual information on this thread
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2212591.html#msg2212591 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2212591.html#msg2212591)
We're all waiting for your retraction of this bit of blatant falsehood you claimed was factual information.
Which...should have already happened if you were truly and honestly interested in only dealing with the facts.
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One of our 3 resident infectious disease specialists pipes up again with his infinite wisdom.
*****rollingeyes*****
(Guess I'll have to put this normally rational person back on Ignore until his crisis passes).
:2popcorn:
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Just wondering?
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:2popcorn:
Don't worry. He's now one of the people on my itty bitty Ignore list so I won't say anything more to him.
No fights forthcoming.
He's one of the most respectable folks on this forum (and I still respect him a bunch), so I figger this little fit of anger is temporary and his former and future self will show back up sooner or later. :beer:
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05-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.584 ↑ | 2.213 ↓ |
| United States | 3.875 ↑ | 4.350 ↓ |
| China | 16.883 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 764,471
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.4 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Don't worry. He's now one of the people on my itty bitty Ignore list so I won't say anything more to him.
No fights forthcoming.
He's one of the most respectable folks on this forum (and I still respect him a bunch), so I figger this little fit of anger is temporary and his former and future self will show back up sooner or later. :beer:
I’m sorry you’re so triggered.
BTW I’m not angry...again with your projection issue.
I’m laughing at you.
Oh and you can stop patronizing me too. It sounds as contrived as it really is.
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I’m sorry you’re so triggered.
BTW I’m not angry...again with your projection issue.
I’m laughing at you.
Oh and you can stop patronizing me too. It sounds as contrived as it really is.
One of the hardest things for America and most Americans to do will be to pull up their pants and realize they've been had. When it happens, though, they're gonna be pissed.
You realize, of course, they will go gunning for the very people who tried to tell them--in fact, some already are.
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Tybee Island’s beaches fully open without restrictions, parking rates increased
SAVANNAH, Ga. (WTOC) - Thursday was the first day all Georgia beaches were open without certain restrictions. The Georgia Department of Natural Resource’s order banned some items like chairs and umbrellas.
The beaches are fully re-opened on Tybee Island, but if you paid to park, you may have noticed the rates went up seemingly over night.
https://www.wtoc.com/2020/05/07/tybee-islands-beaches-fully-open-without-restrictions-parking-rates-increased/ (https://www.wtoc.com/2020/05/07/tybee-islands-beaches-fully-open-without-restrictions-parking-rates-increased/)
Georgia is returning to normal. Tybee Island raised parking fees to make up for lost revenue because of the closing. Yet it was the mayor of Tybee Island who was badmouthing the Governor for ending the shut down.
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@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty,
You said about an N95 mask,
"LOL! The gal in the picture isn't wearing it properly either!! See that little metal band over the nose? That's supposed to be pressed down to conform to the shape of the nose. She didn't press it down."
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Not sure I have said this here, being an EMT, before this virus hit, I already had a box of 20 N95 masks, 50 surgical masks with eye guard, and 25 face shields.
Had to go to orthopedic surgeon last week and when he came in the room, he said, "You have on an N-95!" Told him I have a box and he was amazed. All these masks were dirt cheap when I bought them, but now, the N95s are like gold with the surgical masks being like silver.
The surgical masks which look like the light blue folding ones, are to prevent coughs or sneezing from the operating surgeon from getting on the patient. They will prevent your nose/mouth secretions getting on someone else if the person is 6 feet away, but won't keep theirs from getting on you if they are not wearing a mask. In actuality, only an N95 will keep you safe and you need a eye guard; your regular glasses help. If you don't wear glasses, you can buy the eye guard that looks like glasses and those shield all around the eye.
I don't go anywhere except to a doc when I have to. Our church is having service inside the church with limited people of 200 allowed and sitting 6 feet apart. Due to my age, I don't go as I don't want to take a chance of my children being without their mother; the risk is too great. The church bulletin says people over 60 should not go. My 86 is way over that number.
I watch the church service on their facebook page in real time. I see my friends when they come forward for communion.
Are you going to church or is anyone who reads this going to church? How much are you getting out of your house? Anyone?
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Just wondering?
@Gemmarose
I really hate to be drawn into this again,but the answer is "No"
You wear a mask to protect OTHERS,and OTHERS wear a mask to protect YOU.
Seriously.
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@Victoria33 I'm out of the house every day. I saw the oil crash coming, and actually had another job just before I was officially laid off, now working directing traffic for a road crew. The pay isn't bad (about 40% of what I was making in the patch), I don't have to fool with unemployment, I get lots of sunshine and more fresh air than I need some days (40MPH+ winds today). So, I'm out every day.
I have not made it to church, and do Mass on TV.
Enclosed spaces with high density crowds are not for me, never have been, and now I have an excuse.
I have everything from 'spit masks' to a few n-95s, to a pair of half face and 1 full face cartridge type respirator, tyveks, booties, gloves, nitrile gauntlets, etc. I keep at the house. On occasion I have worked with hazardous materials, and diesel aerosols are not uncommon around shale shakers on rigs using oil based drilling fluids.
There is no supply shortage here among first responders nor hospitals, so I am sitting on them, so to speak. I have work to do in the crawlspace area of my home (under an enclosed porch), and I have the equipment to ward off most anything nasty under there. There's no telling what's in that 100 year old accumulation in that area, almost surely some mold spores, and my lungs do not tolerate mold well at all.
I don't wear masks at work, just hi-vis and ordinary safety gear, and the people I deal with are mostly distanced by virtue of our respective positions on the crew, and others by their vehicles.
All that aside, anecdote time.
A lot of the people I have spoken with (not a valid survey for scientific purposes) report having had a low grade fever and flu like symptoms in late January through February. This was accompanied by a dry cough, some shortness of breath, and the whole works finally breaking up and being coughed out in a couple of weeks.
I had the same in late Feb., and blamed it on congestion in response to brief exposure to the diesel droplets in the air up on the shale shaker. Slow down, breathe more when you're back in fresher air, and eventually cough up the gunk. (Oxygen vs exertion level, find a balance.) Most simply kept working (in the oil industry, you usually work if you can).
We also had people coming and going from all over the country to do their particular specialized tasks, in fact, the geology/geosteering crew was unusually composed of 'locals' all living within 120 miles of the rig.
People working on other rigs reported similar experiences, and many came to the conclusion we've already had it.
I can't say there are any antibody test results to verify that, and anyone who is still working isn't going to go get tested for fear of losing their job or paycheck over something that's already over in their minds.
Information has surfaced that the presence of the virus in Wuhan and vicinity may have been felt as early as November or even late October, and that with completely unhindered travel in and out of the region, the virus may have spread farther and longer than previously believed. (As early in the game as POTUS shut down flights, it may have been too late because the Chinese authorities were not talking.) Connections would be made by people traveling to and from their homes and wellsites who had been exposed at home and brought it to the region. Mostly, testing in this state has focused on people who have presented with symptoms, so the presence of asymptomatic and mild cases may remain hidden.
I don't wear masks in town, I do mind the distance recommendations for the most part, and respect others' apparent desires to reduce contact as expressed by them wearing masks (which protect us from them, but not so much vice versa).
I do most of the shopping, something I have never minded because for me it's just supply procurement, best stuff for the best price, and I am resistant to end cap impulse buys, so I can get out of say, WalMart with the items on my list and only one or two more which were overlooked, but not a lot else. I'm a mite faster than my wife, too, and she hates shopping for the most part.
So I have been in five major stores in the area, four auto parts houses (working on the 'fleet'), and visited with a few friends outside of work. We also have a constant stream in and out of friends of my grandson and great granddaughter who live with us.
There are currently 6 active cases in the entire county, three of which are linked to an extended care facility, so odds of exposure (if I haven't already had the bug) are low. With that in mind, and (thank God) so far blessed with an absence of 'underlying conditions', I really am not living much different than before, except for the change in employment (a product of oil prices which was happening even before COVID-19's influence was felt on that market), and not being able to take my wife out to lunch at our favorite cafe.
I view my personal risk as very low.
I understand that every person has to identify which risk factors apply to them and each should act accordingly.
If you are at risk, this is no joke and not to be trifled with.
Stay healthy.
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Are you going to church or is anyone who reads this going to church? How much are you getting out of your house? Anyone?
I am a worship leader and I have been recording my hymns from home, something that has been a huge hit. Churches in New York are under the "no gatherings of any size for any reason" mandate, though it seems the state realizes they can't legally enforce it. They recommend no more than 10 in the sanctuary to record the service, but drive-ins are explicitly allowed. My church is still recording their services; if it were up to them (even though it's an over-60 congregation for the most part and some have health problems) they'd be reopened now, but they'd rather not risk it yet. Getting guidance from the state for churches (especially smaller ones like ours) has been very difficult.
I'm actually out of my house a lot, but at the same time I am also away from people as much as possible. I've been doing a LOT of walking—up to 10 miles a day at the beginning, just because I was so anxious (and I wanted to lose some weight anyway so that was a convenient way to do it). I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where there are very few cases so I can still go out to the grocery store or convenience store to grab a snack or a drink—certainly something I wouldn't be comfortable doing if I were in, for example, New York City. Grocery store trips happen about twice a month. I try to go when the stores are the least crowded.
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Are you going to church or is anyone who reads this going to church? How much are you getting out of your house? Anyone?
@Victoria33
I am out most every day just like normal, just not going to town very much. Did go to church, I guess it was last week, the Cowboy Church held a campfire service, which is just my style. I'll be going there till his whole thing is over I reckon. But anyhow, it's all about the same, just no town, which would not factor in very much anyway. If I could have got to my bank and got some money out, I probably wouldn't even known the difference.
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If the government is so tight-ass crazy concerned over my health, then why did they allow selling alcohol, cigarettes, and opioid painkillers, during the lockdown?
These kill more people every year than COVID could even dream of.
If it was about health, then why did NY load up Nursing Homes with COVID positive patients
The answer is because ultimately this is not about 'health'. It is about control.
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If the government is so tight-ass crazy concerned over my health, then why did they allow selling alcohol, cigarettes, and opioid painkillers, during the lockdown?
These kill more people every year than COVID could even dream of.
If it was about health, then why did NY load up Nursing Homes with COVID positive patients
The answer is because ultimately this is not about 'health'. It is about control.
None of those are contagious. :shrug:
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If the government is so tight-ass crazy concerned over my health, then why did they allow selling alcohol, cigarettes, and opioid painkillers, during the lockdown?
These kill more people every year than COVID could even dream of.
If it was about health, then why did NY load up Nursing Homes with COVID positive patients
The answer is because ultimately this is not about 'health'. It is about control.
QFT
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None of those are contagious. :shrug:
You are right. Good point. However, they are kind-of contagious. Children learn from parents, and the peer pressure issue. But yes, these are not contagious in the sense of a virus.
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If the government is so tight-ass crazy concerned over my health, then why did they allow selling alcohol, cigarettes, and opioid painkillers, during the lockdown?
These kill more people every year than COVID could even dream of.
If it was about health, then why did NY load up Nursing Homes with COVID positive patients
The answer is because ultimately this is not about 'health'. It is about control.
That's right.
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One of the hardest things for America and most Americans to do will be to pull up their pants and realize they've been had. When it happens, though, they're gonna be pissed.
You realize, of course, they will go gunning for the very people who tried to tell them--in fact, some already are.
Yup I’ve noticed that happening already.
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One of the hardest things for America and most Americans to do will be to pull up their pants and realize they've been had. When it happens, though, they're gonna be pissed.
You realize, of course, they will go gunning for the very people who tried to tell them--in fact, some already are.
That is exactly why the Democrats are so fanatically desperate to increase the death count at any cost no matter what the actual cause of death was. So they can then point to that fake number and say, "See! We saved your life!" At this point, I think the whole thing was massive Kabuki Theater over a minor threat.
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I could see the big STUPID coming a long time go. I haven't stopped working. Back in late Feb. I was driving home from work, county road. This woman comes outside to play with her kid. They were wearing masks. There wasn't another house for at least a mile. Ridiculous. I don't/haven't/won't wear a mask.
They have been putting up plexiglas shields in all the stores, at the registers. Whoever is doing that is making a killing right now.
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Avoiding Risks During Reopening (https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them)
Fascinating study of how the Coronavirus has spread (factually) and how to avoid the risks of being in the same situation. Remembering that many, many people are asymptomatic (and in these particular cases were not showing any signs of the disease), it's good to know what situations to avoid, and which are less risky.
For example, being in an enclosed indoor space (even with social distancing) is much riskier than being together outside.
The article lists some risky situations based on where the disease actually spread. Especially interesting to me was the tragic choir rehearsal in Washington, where precautions were taken to keep people safe, yet 45 of 60 people in the choir got sick and two died....
Good reason for churches NOT to have choir practice. The infected person was asymptomatic and precautions were taken and yet.....
The restaurant example from China is particularly revealing because some people near the (asymptomatic) infected person did not get sick because of the air flow, but many others did.... (diagram in article)
It's critical that we continue to open up the economy, but it's also important that we understand how to keep as safe as possible.
For those interested, it's a good read.
It is a good read.
However, it should be noted that there are dangers from being together outside, especially when tightly packed together with no social distancing and no masks.
The 1918 Parade That Spread Death in Philadelphia
https://daily.jstor.org/the-1918-parade-that-spread-death-in-philadelphia/ (https://daily.jstor.org/the-1918-parade-that-spread-death-in-philadelphia/)
(https://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/09272018_armistice_day_BroadSt.width-704.jpg)
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Yup I’ve noticed that happening already.
Has been happening since day one IMHO.
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Has been happening since day one IMHO.
Laughed at loud at this approach.....
(https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox26houston.com/www.fox26houston.com/content/uploads/2020/05/724/407/A19EF50EA15B444FAAD2208EF4F60DE1.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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I could see the big STUPID coming a long time go. I haven't stopped working. Back in late Feb. I was driving home from work, county road. This woman comes outside to play with her kid. They were wearing masks. There wasn't another house for at least a mile. Ridiculous. I don't/haven't/won't wear a mask.
They have been putting up plexiglas shields in all the stores, at the registers. Whoever is doing that is making a killing right now.
The check out procedure Traders Joes has implemented is hilarious - every other register has been closed. The clerk pulls your cart forward and empties it while you wait about ten feet away behind a taped line. After ringing up the purchases he steps back until he's up against the closed register. Only then are you supposed to approach to pay for your stuff. From behind a plastic screen and with a mask on, of course. Its all pretty dramatic.
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@Victoria33
We have been going out for groceries every week or two, have always found what we needed (TP didn't show up until yesterday, but we already had plenty). There really aren't very many places to go out to, the Casinos across the River are still closed up. I go start my car and idle it every several days to keep the battery from dying.
We're planning a little break Friday...The Riverside Hotel in Laughlin has opened the reservation desk, so we reserved Friday night so we can have one night away from the catz. That's their firsts night open in a couple of months, so it will be interesting.
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@Victoria33
That's their firsts night open in a couple of months, so it will be interesting.
Just realized I haven't wore a collared shirt or long pants in 2 1/2 months. (A postive of the new normal)
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We're planning a little break Friday...The Riverside Hotel in Laughlin has opened the reservation desk, so we reserved Friday night so we can have one night away from the catz. That's their firsts night open in a couple of months, so it will be interesting.
That sounds like fun @Cyber Liberty ... 👍😊. But consider if you would, a Jeep with a roof-top tent and the whole world would have been your oyster this whole time :beer:
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That sounds like fun @Cyber Liberty ... 👍😊. But consider if you would, a Jeep with a roof-top tent and the whole world would have been your oyster this whole time :beer:
Since we'd prefer to be hermits, these past few months have been great!
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@Victoria33
We have been going out for groceries every week or two, have always found what we needed (TP didn't show up until yesterday, but we already had plenty). There really aren't very many places to go out to, the Casinos across the River are still closed up. I go start my car and idle it every several days to keep the battery from dying.
We're planning a little break Friday...The Riverside Hotel in Laughlin has opened the reservation desk, so we reserved Friday night so we can have one night away from the catz. That's their firsts night open in a couple of months, so it will be interesting.
I'm sure they'll be glad to get the house back from you. I mean they DO rule the place........... right???
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I mean they DO rule the place........... right???
Not without an opposable thumb, they don't.
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I'm sure they'll be glad to get the house back from you. I mean they DO rule the place........... right???
They laugh at our occasional attempts to assert order.... rrthree
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We're planning a little break Friday...The Riverside Hotel in Laughlin has opened the reservation desk, so we reserved Friday night so we can have one night away from the catz. That's their firsts night open in a couple of months, so it will be interesting.
@Cyber Liberty
You're not going 'on vacation' at all. You are just hopping the river to play at the casino (for one night). LOL At least make it the whole weekend. I would. If you can see your 'vacation' from your house, is it really a vacation in the normal sense of the word? You could take an uber and be there 10 minutes.
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@Cyber Liberty
You're not going 'on vacation' at all. You are just hopping the river to play at the casino (for one night). LOL At least make it the whole weekend. I would. If you can see your 'vacation' from your house, is it really a vacation in the normal sense of the word? You could take an uber and be there 10 minutes.
Well, it takes a bit longer than 10 minutes to go down the foothills to the river, and my ears pop a couple of times on the way. It's more to show support for the good folks at the Hotel who have been thrown out of work the past couple of months. But I expect the Casino won't be open yet, so there's that.
Yeah, a night is just the right size of a break. The Castle as cage is gilded, but it's still a cage.
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Not without an opposable thumb, they don't.
:beer:
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They laugh at our occasional attempts to assert order.... rrthree
Do they laugh at the attempts, or the failure of those self-same attempts?? :tongue2:
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Do they laugh at the attempts, or the failure of those self-same attempts?? :tongue2:
Yes.
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Yes.
****drummer
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None of those are contagious. :shrug:
@Neverdul
Killjoy!
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You are right. Good point. However, they are kind-of contagious. Children learn from parents, and the peer pressure issue. But yes, these are not contagious in the sense of a virus.
@240B @Neverdul
Despite your answers seeming to be contradictory,you are both right.
"NEVER let a good crisis go to waste!"
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Laughed at loud at this approach.....
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@catfish1957
What I want to know is where were those things when I was a semi-pro drunk?
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@catfish1957
What I want to know is where were those things when I was a semi-pro drunk?
Well, I am still in the pro-drunk leagues. I could easily wreck one of those things into a tangled mess, manage to pop the innertube somehow, and then wind up in a fist fight. That's just what I do. And I am good at it.
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Well, I am still in the pro-drunk leagues. I could easily wreck one of those things into a tangled mess, manage to pop the innertube somehow, and then wind up in a fist fight. That's just what I do. And I am good at it.
@240B
I think we may be related.
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Covid Patients Testing Positive After Recovery Aren’t Infectious, Study Shows
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-19/covid-patients-testing-positive-after-recovery-aren-t-infectious (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-19/covid-patients-testing-positive-after-recovery-aren-t-infectious)
They are shedding dead viruses. Raises the question -- would it be beneficial to be around a newly recovered person? Being exposed to dead viruses would be like a natural vaccine.
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CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html)
Even before COVID-19 officially had a name, public health officials said the virus could be transmitted through infected respiratory droplets and by touching infected surfaces and then touching your nose, mouth, and possibly your eyes. (...) While touching infected surfaces has always been part of the messaging on how the virus spreads, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently shifted its stance online. The CDC now says that COVID-19 spreads from person to person contact, and then lists touching infected surfaces under a section titled, "The virus does not spread easily in other ways." The CDC adds: “This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.†The language is a subtle change from the organization’s warning in early March, when it wrote simply that it “may be possible†to spread the virus through contaminated surfaces.
(excerpt)
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CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html)
Even before COVID-19 officially had a name, public health officials said the virus could be transmitted through infected respiratory droplets and by touching infected surfaces and then touching your nose, mouth, and possibly your eyes. (...) While touching infected surfaces has always been part of the messaging on how the virus spreads, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently shifted its stance online. The CDC now says that COVID-19 spreads from person to person contact, and then lists touching infected surfaces under a section titled, "The virus does not spread easily in other ways." The CDC adds: “This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.†The language is a subtle change from the organization’s warning in early March, when it wrote simply that it “may be possible†to spread the virus through contaminated surfaces.
(excerpt)
I had heard a doctor say that the chances of someone's sneezing or coughing on, say, a can of vegetables you buy at the grocery store, and then your touching it on the same spot were minimal, making the wiping of groceries less necessary.
And the wearing of masks more necessary now that people are out and about.
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05-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.701 ↑ | 2.195 ↓ |
| United States | 3.862 ↓ | 4.348 ↓ |
| China | 16.884 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 782,920
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.1 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 34.9 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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@Gemmarose
I really hate to be drawn into this again,but the answer is "No"
You wear a mask to protect OTHERS,and OTHERS wear a mask to protect YOU.
Seriously.
I forgot to add my roll eyes after wink777 wink777
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CDC director says US ready to reopen
The head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Tuesday that he believes the U.S. is ready to begin reopening, even as he acknowledged the need to invest further in the nation's public health infrastructure and expand contact tracing to avoid sustained outbreaks.
"I want to clarify that the community-based transmission, the community-to-community transmission that overwhelmed the public health departments in late February, March, April, that's really coming down," Redfield said in an interview with Steve Clemons, author of The Hill's daily Coronavirus Report.
https://thehill.com/homenews/coronavirus-report/498668-cdc-director-says-us-ready-to-reopen-predicts-thousands-more
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Finally, someone got it.
A Los Angeles pediatrician, speaking with Laura Ingraham about schools reopening and assessing the actual (data derived) threats to children from Covid19 (it’s very low), made the point on national television (finally!) that I have been trying to get across to all you karens here since this “outbreak†began.
Here it is. If we (the media) were to report, in real time, on the numbers of seasonal influenza cases, the spread, lethality, susceptibility, co-morbidity, etc etc—but especially the deaths—with the same nonstop breaking news out of every obscure village or hamlet and city in America, each and every case, each person, their age, their occupation or celebrity status who died from influenza, we would be whipped into a frenzy over the common flu in the same way we have been over the Corona virus.
Boom! there it is.
The political class (read, media’s) reaction to Covid19 has been, as Trump so eloquently put it, a hoax. It’s never really been about a novel virus (those occur throughout history and are a natural part of life for mankind), but rather about damaging this president in an election year. This, I firmly believe.
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Finally, someone got it.
A Los Angeles pediatrician, speaking with Laura Ingraham about schools reopening and assessing the actual (data derived) threats to children from Covid19 (it’s very low), made the point on national television (finally!) that I have been trying to get across to all you karens here since this “outbreak†began.
Here it is. If we (the media) were to report, in real time, on the numbers of seasonal influenza cases, the spread, lethality, susceptibility, co-morbidity, etc etc—but especially the deaths—with nonstop breaking news about each and every case, each person, their age, their occupation or celebrity status, who died from Covid, out of every obscure village or hamlet and city in America, we would be whipped into a frenzy over the common flu in the same way we have been over the Corona virus. Boom! there it is.
The political class (read, media’s) reaction to Covid19 has been, as Trump so eloquently put it, a hoax. It’s never really been about a novel virus (those occur throughout history and are a natural part of life for mankind), but rather about damaging the president in an election year. This, I firmly believe.
Right. For me the question is how deep does the orchestration of this presentation of panic go? All the way to China?
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CDC director says US ready to reopen
The only thing standing in the way of this is government. If they want prosperity, then they need to get the hell out of the way.
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Finally, someone got it.
A Los Angeles pediatrician, speaking with Laura Ingraham about schools reopening and assessing the actual (data derived) threats to children from Covid19 (it’s very low), made the point on national television (finally!) that I have been trying to get across to all you karens here since this “outbreak†began.
Here it is. If we (the media) were to report, in real time, on the numbers of seasonal influenza cases, the spread, lethality, susceptibility, co-morbidity, etc etc—but especially the deaths—with the same nonstop breaking news out of every obscure village or hamlet and city in America, each and every case, each person, their age, their occupation or celebrity status who died from influenza, we would be whipped into a frenzy over the common flu in the same way we have been over the Corona virus.
Boom! there it is.
The political class (read, media’s) reaction to Covid19 has been, as Trump so eloquently put it, a hoax. It’s never really been about a novel virus (those occur throughout history and are a natural part of life for mankind), but rather about damaging this president in an election year. This, I firmly believe.
Not true, or rather, incidental or ancillary. This play was at the world scene. I doubt very much that that game is aimed at the president. I do however accept that because of that main game, opportunities were opened to exploitation local to this country, and the dems are taking advantage. That could easily be true, and very probably is.
But I want to know the main game. Not the kabooki theater hawked by the press and the political sides.
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The only thing standing in the way of this is government. If they want prosperity, then they need to get the hell out of the way.
:amen:
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Not true, or rather, incidental or ancillary. This play was at the world scene. I doubt very much that that game is aimed at the president. I do however accept that because of that main game, opportunities were opened to exploitation local to this country, and the dems are taking advantage. That could easily be true, and very probably is.
But I want to know the main game. Not the kabooki theater hawked by the press and the political sides.
Although winning in November must run a very close second, its becoming increasingly clear that the 'main game' is use of this crisis to force the federal government to financially rescue blue states from their years of overspending.
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CDC director says US ready to reopen
The head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Tuesday that he believes the U.S. is ready to begin reopening, even as he acknowledged the need to invest further in the nation's public health infrastructure and expand contact tracing to avoid sustained outbreaks.
"I want to clarify that the community-based transmission, the community-to-community transmission that overwhelmed the public health departments in late February, March, April, that's really coming down," Redfield said in an interview with Steve Clemons, author of The Hill's daily Coronavirus Report.
https://thehill.com/homenews/coronavirus-report/498668-cdc-director-says-us-ready-to-reopen-predicts-thousands-more
95% of Ohio's economy is already open.
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Although winning in November must run a very close second, its becoming increasingly clear that the 'main game' is use of this crisis to force the federal government to financially rescue blue states from their years of overspending.
No, again too localized. This was a world play. the whole dang world shut down. Whoever made that happen is far more dangerous than anything else. I want to know why.
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No, again too localized. This was a world play. the whole dang world shut down. Whoever made that happen is far more dangerous than anything else. I want to know why.
Trying to save lives? Just a guess. *****rollingeyes*****
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Trying to save lives? Just a guess. *****rollingeyes*****
There's a first time for everything....
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The Coronaviris Scam
Steven Hotze, MD
The coronavirus Covid-19 “plandemic†is the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American public. It is a political “plandemic,†not a medical one. Sadly, most Americans have swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker. We have never responded to a virus like this before. Why are we doing this now?
Government health bureaucrats, using faulty data and disease projection models, have intentionally created irrational fear and mass hysteria. This fear was fed by the fake news media and by politicians who have acted like tin- pot dictators. This manufactured crisis is all about power, control and money.
Once you get the majority of people to operate on the basis of fear, they will gladly exchange their constitutional liberties for the delusion of safety offered to them by the politicians and civil government officials. They end up with neither. The politicians and civil government become all powerful, take control and dictate the actions of the masses.
The purpose of civil government is not to protect your health. The purpose of civil government is to protect your rights. You are in charge of protecting your own health.
Fear Is Unwarranted
Since the beginning of the coronavirus scare, I have been pointing out that the fear that has gripped our society is completely unwarranted. As of May 19, 2020, according to data reported by the Texas Department of State Health Services the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 1,369 Texans have died with a confirmed or presumptive diagnosis of COVID-19. The odds of any Texan dying of COVID-19 is 1 in 28,000. According to National Geographic, your lifetime chance of being struck and killed by lightning is 1 in 3,000.1 This means that you are nine times more likely to die from a lightning strike than from this coronavirus.
COVID-19 is a de minimis cause of illness and death. Contrary to reports by government health bureaucrats, COVID-19 is not highly contagious. There have only been 5 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 worldwide. The annual flu infects nearly 1 billion individuals worldwide.
If you are worried about a virus that is trivial when compared to other diseases and causes of death, then you are allowing mass hysteria and delusion to rule your life.
United States Deaths Attributable (Not Confirmed) to COVID-19 Reported to the CDC as of May 19, 20202
DEATHS
United States 90,340
Texas 1,369
Just look at this list of annual and average daily deaths to get a perspective on this “plandemic.â€
Total number of deaths of all causes in the United States in 2019: 2,813,503 deaths, 7,708/day, as reported by the CDC
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment): 780,000 deaths/year, 2,136/day (reported in Death by Medicine by Gary Null, M.D.)
Heart Disease: 650,000 deaths/year, 1,772/day
Cancer: 600,000 deaths/year, 1,650/day
Traffic Deaths: 37,000 deaths/year, 100/day
Traffic Injuries: 2.35 million/year, 6,438/day
Lung Infections: 160,000 deaths/year, 438/day
Stroke: 146,000 deaths/year, 400/day
Alzheimer’s: 121,000 deaths/year, 332/day
Alcohol Related: 88,000 deaths/year, 241/day
Diabetes: 84,000 deaths/year, 230/day
Flu: An average of 50,000 deaths/year, 278/day (During flu season, Oct. 1-Mar. 31)
Kidney Disease: 51,000 deaths/year, 140/day
Suicides: 47,000 deaths/year, 129/day
Abortions: 800,000 deaths/year, 2,192/day
Opioid/Narcotic Overdoses: 47,000 deaths/year, 129/day
HIV/AIDS: 56,500 new cases/year, 155/day
Venereal Disease (VD) Infections (gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia):
2.4 million cases/year, 6,575/day
Look at the number of new venereal disease infections on the chart, 2.4 million per year or 6,575 a day. So, why hasn’t the CDC recommended that everyone be tested for VD and AIDS, and quarantine those who test positive? Following the distorted thinking of the half-witted government health bureaucrats, I am amazed that they have not banned sexual relations and fine anyone who violates the ban $1,000 and six months in jail.
Alcohol-related problems led to 88,000 deaths in 2019, 241 a day. Think of the enormous health and psychological damage that alcohol causes. Why haven’t these government health bureaucrats called for a new prohibition on alcohol?
Why haven’t they banned cigarette smoking? They are not going to do that, because they want to give everybody the opportunity to smoke wacky tobacky. The sin taxes provide a lot of revenue for the politicians and bureaucrats.
Think of the 37,000 traffic deaths and 2.3 million traffic injuries. This is a huge public health problem which could be solved by dropping the speed limit to 5 mph or just by reverting to horses and carriages, bicycles and walking.
So, you see this “plandemic†is not about public health at all. It’s all about gaining power and control over your lives. This is right out of the communist playbook. Read Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, in which he extols Lucifer as the first great rebel.
This coronavirus is just another run-of-the mill respiratory virus. Eighty percent of people who get COVID-19 have only mild flu-like symptoms, at worst, and 25% of them are completely asymptomatic.
Serious, life-threatening respiratory infections almost exclusively affect the infirm and debilitated elderly, who have serious preexisting medical conditions, such as congestive heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, emphysema, diabetes, stroke and Alzheimer’s disease, among others.
The average age of death from COVID-19 is approximately 80 years, and a large proportion of deaths due to COVID-19 have occurred in nursing homes—72% of all COVID-19 deaths in New Hampshire and 67% in Pennsylvania.
The primary reason individuals are placed in nursing homes by their families is because they have had a significant decline in their health and were unable to be properly cared for at home. The average nursing home patient lives less than two and a half years after they are admitted. Twenty-two percent of all deaths of Americans occur in nursing homes. Nursing homes effectively function as “hospice-lite.â€
More Harm Than Good
The lockdown, which includes social distancing, quarantining and shutting down businesses, schools, churches and public gatherings, only delays and extends the spread of coronavirus infection, because it prevents the development of natural herd immunity among the population.
The lockdown is being promoted by government health bureaucrats who are trying to condition individuals to accept mandatory vaccinations with nanochips and immunity-tracking cards. People have shown that they will readily accept the loss of their constitutional rights and liberties in the vain hope that the government will make them safe and secure from disease and death. How foolish!
How pitiful it is to operate one’s life based on fear of man or of germs! We should operate our lives in the fear of the Lord. Confidence about the future is found in the fear of God.
“In the fear of the Lord there is strong confidence.†(Proverbs 14:26) We should live our lives by faith and not by fear. “For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and love, and a sound mind.†(2 Timothy 1:7)
Having a sound mind means using common sense.
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Trying to save lives? Just a guess. *****rollingeyes*****
No one really knew how this thing would turn out in January - videos of people dropping on the streets in China were all over the web. Across the west it became politically untenable to try to calm the public, people insisted on panic, and Italy's situation did not help.
Hindsight says everyone overreacted, but now governments are left to keep up the charade or risk looking really foolish, which they'll never allow to happen. Of course ever the gross opportunists, the left is attempting to take advantage of it.
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The Coronaviris Scam
Steven Hotze, MD
The coronavirus Covid-19 “plandemic†is the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American public. It is a political “plandemic,†not a medical one. Sadly, most Americans have swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker. We have never responded to a virus like this before. Why are we doing this now?
Government health bureaucrats, using faulty data and disease projection models, have intentionally created irrational fear and mass hysteria. This fear was fed by the fake news media and by politicians who have acted like tin- pot dictators. This manufactured crisis is all about power, control and money.
Once you get the majority of people to operate on the basis of fear, they will gladly exchange their constitutional liberties for the delusion of safety offered to them by the politicians and civil government officials. They end up with neither. The politicians and civil government become all powerful, take control and dictate the actions of the masses.
The purpose of civil government is not to protect your health. The purpose of civil government is to protect your rights. You are in charge of protecting your own health.
Fear Is Unwarranted
Since the beginning of the coronavirus scare, I have been pointing out that the fear that has gripped our society is completely unwarranted. As of May 19, 2020, according to data reported by the Texas Department of State Health Services the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 1,369 Texans have died with a confirmed or presumptive diagnosis of COVID-19. The odds of any Texan dying of COVID-19 is 1 in 28,000. According to National Geographic, your lifetime chance of being struck and killed by lightning is 1 in 3,000.1 This means that you are nine times more likely to die from a lightning strike than from this coronavirus.
COVID-19 is a de minimis cause of illness and death. Contrary to reports by government health bureaucrats, COVID-19 is not highly contagious. There have only been 5 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 worldwide. The annual flu infects nearly 1 billion individuals worldwide.
If you are worried about a virus that is trivial when compared to other diseases and causes of death, then you are allowing mass hysteria and delusion to rule your life.
United States Deaths Attributable (Not Confirmed) to COVID-19 Reported to the CDC as of May 19, 20202
DEATHS
United States 90,340
Texas 1,369
Just look at this list of annual and average daily deaths to get a perspective on this “plandemic.â€
Total number of deaths of all causes in the United States in 2019: 2,813,503 deaths, 7,708/day, as reported by the CDC
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment): 780,000 deaths/year, 2,136/day (reported in Death by Medicine by Gary Null, M.D.)
Heart Disease: 650,000 deaths/year, 1,772/day
Cancer: 600,000 deaths/year, 1,650/day
Traffic Deaths: 37,000 deaths/year, 100/day
Traffic Injuries: 2.35 million/year, 6,438/day
Lung Infections: 160,000 deaths/year, 438/day
Stroke: 146,000 deaths/year, 400/day
Alzheimer’s: 121,000 deaths/year, 332/day
Alcohol Related: 88,000 deaths/year, 241/day
Diabetes: 84,000 deaths/year, 230/day
Flu: An average of 50,000 deaths/year, 278/day (During flu season, Oct. 1-Mar. 31)
Kidney Disease: 51,000 deaths/year, 140/day
Suicides: 47,000 deaths/year, 129/day
Abortions: 800,000 deaths/year, 2,192/day
Opioid/Narcotic Overdoses: 47,000 deaths/year, 129/day
HIV/AIDS: 56,500 new cases/year, 155/day
Venereal Disease (VD) Infections (gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia):
2.4 million cases/year, 6,575/day
Look at the number of new venereal disease infections on the chart, 2.4 million per year or 6,575 a day. So, why hasn’t the CDC recommended that everyone be tested for VD and AIDS, and quarantine those who test positive? Following the distorted thinking of the half-witted government health bureaucrats, I am amazed that they have not banned sexual relations and fine anyone who violates the ban $1,000 and six months in jail.
Alcohol-related problems led to 88,000 deaths in 2019, 241 a day. Think of the enormous health and psychological damage that alcohol causes. Why haven’t these government health bureaucrats called for a new prohibition on alcohol?
Why haven’t they banned cigarette smoking? They are not going to do that, because they want to give everybody the opportunity to smoke wacky tobacky. The sin taxes provide a lot of revenue for the politicians and bureaucrats.
Think of the 37,000 traffic deaths and 2.3 million traffic injuries. This is a huge public health problem which could be solved by dropping the speed limit to 5 mph or just by reverting to horses and carriages, bicycles and walking.
So, you see this “plandemic†is not about public health at all. It’s all about gaining power and control over your lives. This is right out of the communist playbook. Read Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, in which he extols Lucifer as the first great rebel.
This coronavirus is just another run-of-the mill respiratory virus. Eighty percent of people who get COVID-19 have only mild flu-like symptoms, at worst, and 25% of them are completely asymptomatic.
Serious, life-threatening respiratory infections almost exclusively affect the infirm and debilitated elderly, who have serious preexisting medical conditions, such as congestive heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, emphysema, diabetes, stroke and Alzheimer’s disease, among others.
The average age of death from COVID-19 is approximately 80 years, and a large proportion of deaths due to COVID-19 have occurred in nursing homes—72% of all COVID-19 deaths in New Hampshire and 67% in Pennsylvania.
The primary reason individuals are placed in nursing homes by their families is because they have had a significant decline in their health and were unable to be properly cared for at home. The average nursing home patient lives less than two and a half years after they are admitted. Twenty-two percent of all deaths of Americans occur in nursing homes. Nursing homes effectively function as “hospice-lite.â€
More Harm Than Good
The lockdown, which includes social distancing, quarantining and shutting down businesses, schools, churches and public gatherings, only delays and extends the spread of coronavirus infection, because it prevents the development of natural herd immunity among the population.
The lockdown is being promoted by government health bureaucrats who are trying to condition individuals to accept mandatory vaccinations with nanochips and immunity-tracking cards. People have shown that they will readily accept the loss of their constitutional rights and liberties in the vain hope that the government will make them safe and secure from disease and death. How foolish!
How pitiful it is to operate one’s life based on fear of man or of germs! We should operate our lives in the fear of the Lord. Confidence about the future is found in the fear of God.
“In the fear of the Lord there is strong confidence.†(Proverbs 14:26) We should live our lives by faith and not by fear. “For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and love, and a sound mind.†(2 Timothy 1:7)
Having a sound mind means using common sense.
If you are elderly or have a compromised immune system though....you get it...you likely die. Those people do need protected.
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Finally, clear thinking is beginning to take hold. @Bigun
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95% of Ohio's economy is already open.
I posted yesterday that DeWine has lifted all the emergency orders. You can now legally do just about anything in Ohio now.
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If you are elderly or have a compromised immune system though....you get it...you likely die. Those people do need protected.
Yes! But I don't think to do that would require the destruction of the entire economy.
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Finally, clear thinking is beginning to take hold. @Bigun
He's been on it from day one @aligncare. Like a few people here have been.
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Yes! But I don't think to do that would require the destruction of the entire economy.
You are exactly right....in hindsight.
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You are exactly right....in hindsight.
All that should have been done—which was normal protocol in past public health actions—is identify and protect, by quarantine, those most susceptible, not quarantine the healthy!
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@Bigun Do you have a link for that? Is it excerpted?
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@Bigun Do you have a link for that? Is it excerpted?
No @Cyber Liberty. He is on FB and I cut and pasted his post from there.
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All that should have been done—which was normal protocol in past public health actions—is identify and protect, by quarantine, those most susceptible, not quarantine the healthy!
:yowsa: pointing-up
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The political class (read, media’s) reaction to Covid19 has been, as Trump so eloquently put it, a hoax. It’s never really been about a novel virus (those occur throughout history and are a natural part of life for mankind), but rather about damaging this president in an election year. This, I firmly believe.
@aligncare
And there it is. The Dims were facing disaster with a senile and corrupt candidate that couldn't even be propped up in public with the help of an explicit media coverup dedicated to lying FOR him and AGAINST Trump.
Press conference interviews open to anyone in the media?
One on one questions about policy by someone not carefully screened before?
Debates? (I'd pay cash money to watch that one!)
Policy discussions with questions asked and answered?
Discussions about stopping the illegal alien invasion that was destroying the middle class?
ROFLMAO!
The DNC had NOTHING. NOTHING! They were going to lose,and lose big.
Then along came this flu,and it was a gift from the Gods because it gave them and their complicit bought and paid for lap dog media the opportunity to keep Slow Joe under lock and key with NO debate or policy discussions in public while destroying the economy and giving the Dims the chance to fire up their Professional Parasite base by handing out " free money" to buy votes with.
The economy was the big thing. If they could destroy that and make Americans desperate,they had a chance. It was the "Big Stick" Trump and the Republicans were going to beat them over the head with.
Think about THAT one for a minute. The DNC were willing to destroy our economy,make tens of thousands of Americans lose their homes and jobs,and pull their children out of colleges,lose their health care,and even lose their self-identities as proud independent adults and citizens,all to remain in power so the multi-Billionaire globalists that own the DNC and the Dim puppets can retain power and make more money as they work hard to destroy America as a free and independent nation of free and independent people.
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No @Cyber Liberty. He is on FB and I cut and pasted his post from there.
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Right. For me the question is how deep does the orchestration of this presentation of panic go? All the way to China?
@Smokin Joe
Yes,via a detour to the "Establishment RNC". The very same alleged Republicans that hate Trump more than the DNC does.
Know who established the "Chinese-American Chamber of Commerce" in China the instant the opportunity arose?
His name was Prescott Bush. Guess what Presidents he was related to.
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@aligncare
And there it is. The Dims were facing disaster with a senile and corrupt candidate that couldn't even be propped up in public with the help of an explicit media coverup dedicated to lying FOR him and AGAINST Trump.
Press conference interviews open to anyone in the media?
One on one questions about policy by someone not carefully screened before?
Debates? (I'd pay cash money to watch that one!)
Policy discussions with questions asked and answered?
Discussions about stopping the illegal alien invasion that was destroying the middle class?
ROFLMAO!
The DNC had NOTHING. NOTHING! They were going to lose,and lose big.
Then along came this flu,and it was a gift from the Gods because it gave them and their complicit bought and paid for lap dog media the opportunity to keep Slow Joe under lock and key with NO debate or policy discussions in public while destroying the economy and giving the Dims the chance to fire up their Professional Parasite base by handing out " free money" to buy votes with.
The economy was the big thing. If they could destroy that and make Americans desperate,they had a chance. It was the "Big Stick" Trump and the Republicans were going to beat them over the head with.
Think about THAT one for a minute. The DNC were willing to destroy our economy,make tens of thousands of Americans lose their homes and jobs,and pull their children out of colleges,lose their health care,and even lose their self-identities as proud independent adults and citizens,all to remain in power so the multi-Billionaire globalists that own the DNC and the Dim puppets can retain power and make more money as they work hard to destroy America as a free and independent nation of free and independent people.
This post should be memorialized. It is a thing of cogent beauty. Kudos! (What chemo brain? You have the clearest mind of any person. And the competition here is pretty darn stiff, my friend.)
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@aligncare
Thanks.
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All that should have been done—which was normal protocol in past public health actions—is identify and protect, by quarantine, those most susceptible, not quarantine the healthy!
Indeed—the problem was that New York City took so long to even recognize the virus was in their midst that by the time they realized it, it was rampant.
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All I know is I"m loving the work from home deal!
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Indeed—the problem was that New York City took so long to even recognize the virus was in their midst that by the time they realized it, it was rampant.
@jmyrlefuller
They knew it,and USED it as a tool to ramp up the panic.
WTH does Mini-Mario and that bunch care about a few thousand peasants dying,if it serves to keep them in office and in power with the money continuing to roll into offshore accounts?
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@jmyrlefuller
They knew it,and USED it as a tool to ramp up the panic.
WTH does Mini-Mario and that bunch care about a few thousand peasants dying,if it serves to keep them in office and in power with the money continuing to roll into offshore accounts?
And with their progressive eugenics agenda, sent infected seniors out of hospitals back into nursing homes to infect and kill even more elderly.
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And with their progressive eugenics agenda, sent infected seniors out of hospitals back into nursing homes to infect and kill even more elderly.
Well dead people do vote Democrat.
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And with their progressive eugenics agenda, sent infected seniors out of hospitals back into nursing homes to infect and kill even more elderly.
@musiclady
Win/win for the left,as long as it's not THEIR elderly.
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How the COVID “Experts†Got Everything Wrong! | Louder with Crowder
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@musiclady
Win/win for the left,as long as it's not THEIR elderly.
Half of them don't give two shits, even if it is their elderly. It's an extra feather for their virtue signaling. "Hey, I'm not upset my Grandmama died, and you're being selfish when you bitch when yours kicks off! I'm better than you!"
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Yes! But I don't think to do that would require the destruction of the entire economy.
It doesn’t and it never should have.
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All that should have been done—which was normal protocol in past public health actions—is identify and protect, by quarantine, those most susceptible, not quarantine the healthy!
Exactly!!
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@musiclady
Win/win for the left,as long as it's not THEIR elderly.
The elderly tend to vote more conservatively, so.............
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Well dead people do vote Democrat.
In droves....
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I posted yesterday that DeWine has lifted all the emergency orders. You can now legally do just about anything in Ohio now.
Yep. Good place to live. :patriot:
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Went to a liquor store today. Lots of people. Nobody had a mask on, except the checkout register person. Probably because they have to wear them to stay open. While there, a delivery crew came in with cases of this or that. None of them had a mask. This 'mask thing' is quickly losing steam. It's my choice if I wear it or not. This is America.
I wear a bandana around my neck in case someone gets snippy. I can always pull it up even though it does nothing in terms of viruses.
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@musiclady
Win/win for the left,as long as it's not THEIR elderly.
Yeah.......... like Biden, Sanders or Pelosi. :whistle:
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Went to a liquor store today. Lots of people. Nobody had a mask on, except the checkout register person. Probably because they have to wear them to stay open. While there, a delivery crew came in with cases of this or that. None of them had a mask. This 'mask thing' is quickly losing steam. It's my choice if I wear it or not. This is America.
I wear a bandana around my neck in case someone gets snippy. I can always pull it up even though it does nothing in terms of viruses.
That’s interesting. My husband went shopping today and his observation is that mask usage is increasing.
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Went to a liquor store today. Lots of people. Nobody had a mask on, except the checkout register person. Probably because they have to wear them to stay open. While there, a delivery crew came in with cases of this or that. None of them had a mask. This 'mask thing' is quickly losing steam. It's my choice if I wear it or not. This is America.
I wear a bandana around my neck in case someone gets snippy. I can always pull it up even though it does nothing in terms of viruses.
Yeah. None here too, except the bank which was weird as heck... I guess the Albertson's is marked out for 1 way aisles, but I honestly didn't notice. I hear tell the Costco has a mask requirement in place... That's gonna be a fun confrontation when I get up there, if it is true...
But the bandana is a great idea. I might ought to do that just to satisfy the chicken littles.
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Went to a liquor store today. Lots of people. Nobody had a mask on, except the checkout register person. Probably because they have to wear them to stay open. While there, a delivery crew came in with cases of this or that. None of them had a mask. This 'mask thing' is quickly losing steam. It's my choice if I wear it or not. This is America.
I wear a bandana around my neck in case someone gets snippy. I can always pull it up even though it does nothing in terms of viruses.
I noticed the same thing today @240B It had been everyone was wearing a mask (and gloves) .... now you see a mask every third or fourth person.
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I noticed the same thing today @240B It had been everyone was wearing a mask (and gloves) .... now you see a mask every third or fourth person.
It's never been like that here... Maybe 1 in 20 or 1 in 50... Old folks that ought to... Or maybe just the allergy afflicted, which is a thing this time of year...
That seems crazy to me, with EVERYBODY wearing masks. Never seen the like of it.
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Went to a liquor store today. Lots of people. Nobody had a mask on, except the checkout register person. Probably because they have to wear them to stay open. While there, a delivery crew came in with cases of this or that. None of them had a mask. This 'mask thing' is quickly losing steam. It's my choice if I wear it or not. This is America.
I wear a bandana around my neck in case someone gets snippy. I can always pull it up even though it does nothing in terms of viruses.
I don't mind covering my face when going into a building. If it helps slow things down, and there's some evidence it does, it gives government that much less grounds to keep everything locked down (not that they had much grounds to do so in the first place). I don't get why people are so hot and bothered by it.
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It's never been like that here... Maybe 1 in 20 or 1 in 50... Old folks that ought to... Or maybe just the allergy afflicted, which is a thing this time of year...
That seems crazy to me, with EVERYBODY wearing masks. Never seen the like of it.
I had a cop stop his car and give me the hard-eyed screw because I was walking along without a mask.
I had a coffee in my hand, fer crying out loud. But dug a mask out of my pocket just for him.
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I don't mind covering my face when going into a building. If it helps slow things down, and there's some evidence it does, it gives government that much less grounds to keep everything locked down (not that they had much grounds to do so in the first place). I don't get why people are so hot and bothered by it.
To get the government to ease the lockdown, all you have to do is comply. That's why.
And it don't do nothing. It's a farce. It may protect the guy in front of you from high speed projectiles from a cough or sneeze, but it blows out the sides of the mask instead, there for the guy behind you to walk through. Nothing but a pacifier, and a show of compliance.
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I had a cop stop his car and give me the hard-eyed screw because I was walking along without a mask.
I had a coffee in my hand, fer crying out loud. But dug a mask out of my pocket just for him.
REALLY? Outside? Not here.
And he'd have to haul me in. with a complimentary KMA bestowed upon him.
I hear tell I have to wear a mask to get into the Costco, and I am seriously considering never setting foot in there again over it. I PAY to go there. I have a contract for admission. It didn't say a dam thing about any masks.
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I read a couple of different sources for this local story.
Here is the gist:
Wyatt Maser, 23, was responding to the area of Bone Road and 9th South around 5:20 a.m. to investigate a rollover crash. Officials say when Maser arrived, he encountered a woman who was walking away from the scene holding a machete. Maser followed on foot and tried to talk to her.
While Maser and another deputy tried to take the woman into custody, Sgt. Randy Flegel, who was responding to the area to assist, came upon the woman and two deputies in the roadway and hit Maser with his vehicle.
Police and emergency responders attempted life-saving measures, and he was rushed to Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center; however, Maser succumbed to his injuries.
None of the articles mentioned anyone involved was wearing a mask. Unfreakingbelievable. A life could have been saved if ONLY they had been wearing MASKS.
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JPMorgan: infection rates after lockdowns are lifted... on the whole... have dropped.
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JPMorgan: infection rates after lockdowns are lifted... on the whole... have dropped.
Could you resize those? Please.
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Could you resize those? Please.
Done. Is that better?
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Done. Is that better?
Yes. Thank you.
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You know people. Wearing a mask all the time is bad for you. Get out and breathe that fresh air that is full of molds, fungi, germs, allergens and other viruses so your immune system stays healthy.
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You know people. Wearing a mask all the time is bad for you. Get out and breathe that fresh air that is full of molds, fungi, germs, allergens and other viruses so your immune system stays healthy.
Agreed. I only wear it when I'm in a public building. The moment I step out the door, it's off.
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The elderly tend to vote more conservatively, so.............
@GrouchoTex
They also tend to have assets you can inherit.
Not that I think anyone on the left would be so crass as to lust after material things,you understand.
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@GrouchoTex
They also tend to have assets you can inherit.
Not that I think anyone on the left would be so crass as to lust after material things,you understand.
I gave my kid every incentive to leave me alone. My will has all assets going to the AZ Humane Society. Hope he enjoys his Canadian dollar.
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I gave my kid every incentive to leave me alone. My will has all assets going to the AZ Humane Society. Hope he enjoys his Canadian dollar.
@Cyber Liberty
Similar situation here. Everything I own gets sold,and I have two friends that barely even know each other signed up to handle the sale of my antique cars and trucks,tools,parts,guns,gunsmith tools,and my real property.
One of these guys not only knows cars (he restores them and owns and runs a auto machine shop),but he grew up in a house with a father that was a gun dealer and gun collector. He knows what they are worth.
For their trouble,they each get 10 percent of net after the dust settles. Which should make a pretty nice payday for both. I am also hoping it will make each of them greedy enough to try to squeeze every dime out of this stuff that it is worth.
Half the remainder after expenses goes to the national Feline Hope because the local woman who runs the local branch is useless and uses the money to do stuff like build a house for her cats to live in.
The other half goes to Juvenile Diabetes research.
I have recently decided to cut in the Danny Thomas children's hospital in Tn for a 3rd cut,so I am going to have to get my will rewritten.
Right now each has a copy of my will,as does the lawyer that wrote it that is supposed to supervise the sales,and there is another copy on file at the court house.
I am stunned at the number of people that die with no will in place,and leave everybody to fight over everything in court,while it all goes to hell and lawyers fees as they spend years fighting each other over it. I personally know of houses that were very nice houses when their owners died that have been sitting vacant and unused for a couple of decades now because there was no will and none of the owners children is willing to allow any of the other children to live in it or rent it out. Roofs are caved in,floors are rotted out,etc,etc,etc.
People,if you own property and have relatives,get a will made TODAY!
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@Cyber Liberty
Similar situation here. Everything I own gets sold,and I have two friends that barely even know each other signed up to handle the sale of my antique cars and trucks,tools,parts,guns,gunsmith tools,and my real property.
One of these guys not only knows cars (he restores them and owns and runs a auto machine shop),but he grew up in a house with a father that was a gun dealer and gun collector. He knows what they are worth.
For their trouble,they each get 10 percent of net after the dust settles. Which should make a pretty nice payday for both. I am also hoping it will make each of them greedy enough to try to squeeze every dime out of this stuff that it is worth.
Half the remainder after expenses goes to the national Feline Hope because the local woman who runs the local branch is useless and uses the money to do stuff like build a house for her cats to live in.
The other half goes to Juvenile Diabetes research.
I have recently decided to cut in the Danny Thomas children's hospital in Tn for a 3rd cut,so I am going to have to get my will rewritten.
Right now each has a copy of my will,as does the lawyer that wrote it that is supposed to supervise the sales,and there is another copy on file at the court house.
I am stunned at the number of people that die with no will in place,and leave everybody to fight over everything in court,while it all goes to hell and lawyers fees as they spend years fighting each other over it. I personally know of houses that were very nice houses when their owners died that have been sitting vacant and unused for a couple of decades now because there was no will and none of the owners children is willing to allow any of the other children to live in it or rent it out. Roofs are caved in,floors are rotted out,etc,etc,etc.
People,if you own property and have relatives,get a will made TODAY!
Great advice!
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I can't keep up with their ever changing narrative.
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People,if you own property and have relatives,get a will made TODAY!
Ain't like that... In my case they'll be arguing which one has to come up and burn the place down :whistle:
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I can't keep up with their ever changing narrative.
there is a reason for that. No matter what happens, they will have a statement to cover it, and will make themselves out to be experts while their other, wrong stuff gets scrubbed.
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@GrouchoTex
They also tend to have assets you can inherit.
Not that I think anyone on the left would be so crass as to lust after material things,you understand.
No, of course not!
:cool:
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05-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.847 ↑ | 2.167 ↓ |
| United States | 3.898 ↑ | 4.304 ↓ |
| China | 16.885 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 798,080
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.3 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 34.8 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Southern Alberta researchers say medical cannabis could help fight COVID-19
Before you laugh, it's only a few strains of cannabis sativa, high in CBD but low in the THC that gives you a high—basically hemp
One of the receptors, known as ACE2, has now been shown to be a key gateway, to how the COVID-19 virus enters the body.
"The virus has the capacity to bind to it, and pull it into the cell, almost like a doorway," Olga says.
Other key receptors allow the virus to enter other cells more easily and multiply rapidly. But some cannabis extracts help to reduce inflammation and slow down the virus.
The early discoveries indicate the cannabis extracts could be used in inhalers, mouthwash and throat gargle products for both clinical practice and at-home treatment.
More from CFCN:
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/southern-alberta-researchers-say-medical-cannabis-could-help-fight-covid-19-1.4906249
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Southern Alberta researchers say medical cannabis could help fight COVID-19
Before you laugh, it's only a few strains of cannabis sativa, high in CBD but low in the THC that gives you a high—basically hemp
One of the receptors, known as ACE2, has now been shown to be a key gateway, to how the COVID-19 virus enters the body.
"The virus has the capacity to bind to it, and pull it into the cell, almost like a doorway," Olga says.
Other key receptors allow the virus to enter other cells more easily and multiply rapidly. But some cannabis extracts help to reduce inflammation and slow down the virus.
The early discoveries indicate the cannabis extracts could be used in inhalers, mouthwash and throat gargle products for both clinical practice and at-home treatment.
More from CFCN:
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/southern-alberta-researchers-say-medical-cannabis-could-help-fight-covid-19-1.4906249
Interesting news. My wife is all jazzed about CBD products. Me, I’m still skeptical. All I see is the exorbitant prices these online companies are charging, which I see is a result of all the hype CBD is getting. Seems like it’s being touted as a miracle cure for everything from toenail fungus to spider veins.
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"Southern Alberta researchers say medical cannabis could help fight COVID-19"
Heh.
The potheads will claim that "medical" marijuana is the cure for everything...
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I was drinking Tonic (quinine) mixed with anything AND smoking Pot, even before Trump suggested that I move on to the 'harder stuff', Mainlining Clorox.
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Glad I took the healthy route.
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"Southern Alberta researchers say medical cannabis could help fight COVID-19"
Heh.
The potheads will claim that "medical" marijuana is the cure for everything...
@Fishrrman
It is a definite cure for someone that is in need of a buzz.
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If you are elderly or have a compromised immune system though....you get it...you likely die. Those people do need protected.
@mrpotatohead
I have several people insisting I go to church as the church is open with distance between people sitting in church. They are told to bring a mask and wear it but I don't know if all of them are doing that. I am 86 - if I went there and caught the virus, the ones wanting me to go there would say, "Gee, I didn't think you would get it." And, I would still have it and likely die, just because I gave in and went there.
I am telling them, my children need me and I'm not taking that chance.
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@mrpotatohead
I have several people insisting I go to church as the church is open with distance between people sitting in church. They are told to bring a mask and wear it but I don't know if all of them are doing that. I am 86 - if I went there and caught the virus, the ones wanting me to go there would say, "Gee, I didn't think you would get it." And, I would still have it and likely die, just because I gave in and went there.
I am telling them, my children need me and I'm not taking that chance.
The elderly, trapped in NY, MI, PA and CA, did not get that choice. They were not allowed to escape their nursing homes as the State forced the homes to take recovering COVID patients, and would not allow them to be tested (fear of discrimination and stigmatizing sick people).
I thank God you live in a free state. The Northern Dem states are not free states. Free states do not practice eugenics.
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@mrpotatohead
I have several people insisting I go to church as the church is open with distance between people sitting in church. They are told to bring a mask and wear it but I don't know if all of them are doing that. I am 86 - if I went there and caught the virus, the ones wanting me to go there would say, "Gee, I didn't think you would get it." And, I would still have it and likely die, just because I gave in and went there.
I am telling them, my children need me and I'm not taking that chance.
@Victoria33
Smart move!
I,for one,am glad that was the decision you made.
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By all means, if you don't feel safe, don't go out where people are gathering. People should feel free to do whatever is best for their particular situation.
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@mrpotatohead
I have several people insisting I go to church as the church is open with distance between people sitting in church. They are told to bring a mask and wear it but I don't know if all of them are doing that. I am 86 - if I went there and caught the virus, the ones wanting me to go there would say, "Gee, I didn't think you would get it." And, I would still have it and likely die, just because I gave in and went there.
I am telling them, my children need me and I'm not taking that chance.
You have just as much of a risk of getting it from your children. Remember that.
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@mrpotatohead
I have several people insisting I go to church as the church is open with distance between people sitting in church. They are told to bring a mask and wear it but I don't know if all of them are doing that. I am 86 - if I went there and caught the virus, the ones wanting me to go there would say, "Gee, I didn't think you would get it." And, I would still have it and likely die, just because I gave in and went there.
I am telling them, my children need me and I'm not taking that chance.
Good call.
There have been places where indoor meetings took place with social distancing and the virus still spread.
At 86 it's just not worth the risk.
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By all means, if you don't feel safe, don't go out where people are gathering. People should feel free to do whatever is best for their particular situation.
Exactly. GREAT post.
Our health and safety are our own responsibility and should not require that others forfeit their God given rights. Many of us consider that dying in its own way.
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I can report here that after 11 weeks I had an appointment at a hair salon. happy77
We were asked to wait in our cars until our hairdresser was ready and were called into the building (it's very spacious).
The people at the desk had face shields and all the staff wore masks. Most of the staff asked their clients to wear masks (mine did because she has a mother with both cardio and pulmonary issues and doesn't want to take unnecessary risks).
There was no one in the 3 stations around us, and I stayed in the same seat other than for the shampoo. They had added plexiglass barriers between the sinks for safety.
I was surprised that they hadn't acquired a credit card reader for payment, but there was hand sanitizer there to use.
I left the place singing, "I feel pretty.... oh so pretty....." :laugh:
One more outing and one more business open and thriving! We're coming back, people!!
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@mrpotatohead
I have several people insisting I go to church as the church is open with distance between people sitting in church. They are told to bring a mask and wear it but I don't know if all of them are doing that. I am 86 - if I went there and caught the virus, the ones wanting me to go there would say, "Gee, I didn't think you would get it." And, I would still have it and likely die, just because I gave in and went there.
I am telling them, my children need me and I'm not taking that chance.
You are making a very wise decision. I look after my mom who is about to be 90, so I have to be careful as well. I did play tennis tonight though...but I'm careful who I play with.
May God bless you and protect you @Victoria33
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@musiclady I'm sure it was a great feeling to get to the salon. My hairdresser is in the neighboring state that's still shut down. It could be several weeks before I have a chance to see her. Dare I visit a local salon and have a complete stranger do my hair? 8888huh
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@musiclady I'm sure it was a great feeling to get to the salon. My hairdresser is in the neighboring state that's still shut down. It could be several weeks before I have a chance to see her. Dare I visit a local salon and have a complete stranger do my hair? 8888huh
What is it with you ladies? My wife is the same. Even if we were motoring a thousand miles away for a vacation, she’d hop a plane just to get back to her gal.
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You have just as much of a risk of getting it from your children. Remember that.
@jmyrefuller
My children are grown and live in Cardiff, Wales. We speak every other day on Skype to keep up with each other. Wales still has people staying home except for going to grocery store and grocery stores there only let a few people in at one time.
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You are making a very wise decision. I look after my mom who is about to be 90, so I have to be careful as well. I did play tennis tonight though...but I'm careful who I play with.
May God bless you and protect you @Victoria33
@mrpotatohead
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
A story taking place now; the new reality:
My son owns his company, "Inspire Film and TV". He lives in Cardiff, Wales, and London. Right now he is starting a film, "The Wild West". He will be filming in three western US States, from his home in Cardiff, Wales. Yes, that is right, he will stay in Cardiff while filming in the US.
If he came to this country, he would have to isolate for two weeks; when he would return to Wales or London, he would have to isolate two weeks, so this is how he will film from his house:
Two or three people who film in this country, will be hired to go to the western three states and, as they film, son will be on Skype telling them what to film, how to film it, and he will watch while they do it, continuing to give them instructions. Their filming will go to him right then so he will have it to work on while they go to another state.
This is the reality of where we are right now - innovation to do things another way.
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How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html)
In the face of a novel virus threat, China clamped down on its citizens. Academics used faulty information to build faulty models. Leaders relied on these faulty models. Dissenting views were suppressed. The media flamed fears and the world panicked.
That is the story of what may eventually be known as one of the biggest medical and economic blunders of all time. The collective failure of every Western nation, except one, to question groupthink will surely be studied by economists, doctors, and psychologists for decades to come...
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Excerpt: Rest at the above link.
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@musiclady I'm sure it was a great feeling to get to the salon. My hairdresser is in the neighboring state that's still shut down. It could be several weeks before I have a chance to see her. Dare I visit a local salon and have a complete stranger do my hair? 8888huh
I've gone to the same salon for 20 years (though they moved to a new location recently which is good because the space is much larger and distancing possible), and to the same hairdresser for most of that. Before that, I just trimmed my own hair and cut my husband's and four kids' as well......... saved a lot of money over the years. happy77
That's why I figured I could splurge in my old age and get my hair done once a month!
Occasionally I've gone to different people in the same salon but going to a different place would be a different story.
HOWEVER.......... it depends on how long you're willing to go with a DIY hairdo. wink777
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@jmyrefuller
My children are grown and live in Cardiff, Wales. We speak every other day on Skype to keep up with each other. Wales still has people staying home except for going to grocery store and grocery stores there only let a few people in at one time.
I have a son living overseas and things are MUCH stricter in the country where he lives. They have not been able to leave their apartment for anything but groceries since their lockdown began.
It's been really tough for my son since he's a distance runner and has only been able to do workouts at home.
People here have to remember that this is a global pandemic and things are bad everywhere. In fact, those of us in Red States are less restricted than most of the world is.
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What is it with you ladies? My wife is the same. Even if we were motoring a thousand miles away for a vacation, she’d hop a plane just to get back to her gal.
The trick is to get your appointment BEFORE the vacation. It takes intricate planning, but it can be done.
MUST have nice hair for those vacation photos, you know?? happy77
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The trick is to get your appointment BEFORE the vacation. It takes intricate planning, but it can be done.
MUST have nice hair for those vacation photos, you know?? happy77
@musiclady
Buy a couple of wigs,and mail them in for repairs when needed.
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@musiclady
Buy a couple of wigs,and mail them in for repairs when needed.
Ha! But what happens when your head starts to itch? Or if you're hiking into the Grand Canyon and it's 115 at the bottom (true experience), and it gets too hot?
These are the problems we deal with on a regular basis. Be sympathetic. wink777
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Ha! But what happens when your head starts to itch? Or if you're hiking into the Grand Canyon and it's 115 at the bottom (true experience), and it gets too hot?
@musiclady
You take it off and fan yourself with it. How could that not be obvious?
In a pinch,you could even use it to clean your windshield.
These are the problems we deal with on a regular basis. Be sympathetic. wink777
Nope. Not gonna happen. Women don't go bald,and my head has been cold 6 months a year ever since I went bald,and now I have to wear a hat in the summer to keep from frying what little brain I have left.
Nope,no sympathy here!
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05-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 6.941 ↑ | 2.154 ↓ |
| United States | 3.966 ↑ | 4.241 ↓ |
| China | 16.886 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 814,100
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.6 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 34.9 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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What is it with you ladies? My wife is the same. Even if we were motoring a thousand miles away for a vacation, she’d hop a plane just to get back to her gal.
I dunno. But I can see it. Never had a barber, but if I did, and I went there more than once, I would probably still be going there now.
Lost my best hardware guy about 5 years ago... RIP. ol Hank must have been standing there one day and they threw a building around him to keep him there. He'd been there since it began. There wasn't a damn thing he didn't know about hardware, and damn little he couldn't tell you about carpentry, cabinet making, plumbing, and the rest.
The place wasn't the same without ol Hank.., They kept going of course. He was their senior employee, but only an employee of course... But they never could replace ol Hank. That hardware store - the one I been going to since Hector was a pup, dried up and blew away last summer. That ain't right.
Yep. I can see why them ladies keep going to the same place.
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@musiclady
You take it off and fan yourself with it. How could that not be obvious?
In a pinch,you could even use it to clean your windshield.
Nope. Not gonna happen. Women don't go bald,and my head has been cold 6 months a year ever since I went bald,and now I have to wear a hat in the summer to keep from frying what little brain I have left.
Nope,no sympathy here!
LOL! Point taken. Other than alopecia or chemo, we don't go bald. No sunscreen required on the top of our heads. happy77
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You take it off and fan yourself with it. How could that not be obvious?
In a pinch,you could even use it to clean your windshield.
LOL! Dunk it in the creek and put it back on, it says here... :beer:
Nope. Not gonna happen. Women don't go bald,and my head has been cold 6 months a year ever since I went bald,and now I have to wear a hat in the summer to keep from frying what little brain I have left.
Nope,no sympathy here!
Ain't bald... One of the few things I got from my daddy's side is hair that stays put... So far at least...
But I been wearing a black Gus/Montana style Bailey cowboy hat all my life. And you'd think it a poor thing to have in the summer heat... But I swear, it's better than being without.
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Random thought:
Has anyone noticed how there have been no reports of any outbreaks tied to the reopen protests? If there were, you know there'd be widespread reports everywhere about them, just like you see any time there is a church outbreak—yet nothing.
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Random thought:
Has anyone noticed how there have been no reports of any outbreaks tied to the reopen protests? If there were, you know there'd be widespread reports everywhere about them, just like you see any time there is a church outbreak—yet nothing.
Not so random I haven't noticed, too.
You know if it was bad news the press would be shouting it from minarets and rooftops. It is guaranteed they won't do anything to give Americans any confidence in an economic recovery, because that confidence would be a driver in that same recovery. It would be like America coming out of whatever shelter they took for the duration of a bad storm; we'd just roll up our sleeves and rebuild believing that sunny days were ahead.
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05-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.063 ↑ | 2.132 ↓ |
| United States | 4.129 ↑ | 4.080 ↓ |
| China | 16.887 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 820,937
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 30.5 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.6 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
A couple of milestones today. Global Recoveries-to-deaths ratio climbs above 7. And the US ratio numbers have finally flipped. Reported recoveries now exceeds the square root of [cases x deaths].
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The coronavirus rumbles on in Connecticut.
Here are some numbers, last updated today:
Date Total Daily Total Daily
Cases Inc. Deaths Inc
5/16 36,703 618 3,339 54
5/17 37,419 716 3,408 69
5/18 38,116 697 3,449 41
5/19 38,430 314 3,472 23
5/20 39,017 587 3,529 57
5/21 39,208 191 3,582 53
5/22 39,640 432 3,637 55
For some reason, the "R0" rate is very high here, the second highest state in the country.
Look at this graphic:
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At this rate, schools here may not even open in September.
Gonna be "wearin' the mask" here for months to come...
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For the most part wearing a mask is a feel good measure... Only N95 type masks come close to being able to filter out something as small as a virus. If the virus is in the air and gets caught in a typical non N95 mask it is going to go through the mask in short order. That's the reality of it...
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For the most part wearing a mask is a feel good measure... Only N95 type masks come close to being able to filter out something as small as a virus. If the virus is in the air and gets caught in a typical non N95 mask it is going to go through the mask in short order. That's the reality of it...
I guess the idea is to slow the particles down a bunch. Cloth has zero effect on the droplets, they go right through.
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Random thought:
Has anyone noticed how there have been no reports of any outbreaks tied to the reopen protests? If there were, you know there'd be widespread reports everywhere about them, just like you see any time there is a church outbreak—yet nothing.
Here is another random thought. WHERE is the news? Hurricane season looks like it is getting an early start.
Propaganda. Misinformation. BS. All covid. Your graphs and related info upthread were telling.
If you are all so willing to stop an epidemic then swing obama, hillary, et al by a thread. Or drag them up and down 1600 with a log chain behind a two horse hearse.
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For the most part wearing a mask is a feel good measure... Only N95 type masks come close to being able to filter out something as small as a virus. If the virus is in the air and gets caught in a typical non N95 mask it is going to go through the mask in short order. That's the reality of it...
Right.
IMO, there is a consideration that most people would scoff at. There are large numbers of people who have worked, or are still working in many industries without any type of masking or filtering of contaminants. Whether chemical or particulate. For decades.
What I am saying is they have an underlying condition that may not yet be apparent, as in diagnosed and under treatment.
You smoked three packs a day for thirty years but finally quit two years ago. That doesn't go away.
I don't care about covid. I have some of the best masks money can buy. Including full face shields so that things I am exposed to are limited to absorbtion through my skin or even my eyes. I have literally stripped off my clothes to my underwear in my yard and hosed myself off because of the contaminants I have been exposed to. But that exposure isn't going away.
I'll just stop this. Wear a mask against covid if you think it will help you. That belief alone is worth more than a mask.
But when someone demands you wear one..this fight is on.
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LOL! Point taken. Other than alopecia or chemo, we don't go bald. No sunscreen required on the top of our heads. happy77
I know several bald men who put sunscreen on their heads.
And I know quite a few women who lost hair from either pregnancies or bariatric surgery. There’s also a psychiatric disorder called trictillomania where it’s like ocd and you constantly pull out your hair. They don’t even know they’re doing it.
@musiclady
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@bigheadfred
Ten years ago this November one of my medications causes me to have total renal failure.
It happened literally over about 12 hours, and by the time I was admitted to the hospital I was unconscious and a priest came into my room and offered my parents last rites. (He didn’t know what faith I was).
I spent six weeks in hospital and got dialysis. Fortunately, everything came back. (Knocking wood)
Now I’m being honest here, if I go out, I stay put for two-three weeks. I go out once a week to take the trash out of course But I keep thinking even though I’m considered healthy, and my BMI is 27 ( thank you quarantine) I’m slightly paranoid to be around people. I just don’t know. So I’ll err on the side of caution.
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@bigheadfred
Ten years ago this November one of my medications causes me to have total renal failure.
It happened literally over about 12 hours, and by the time I was admitted to the hospital I was unconscious and a priest came into my room and offered my parents last rites. (He didn’t know what faith I was).
I spent six weeks in hospital and got dialysis. Fortunately, everything came back. (Knocking wood)
Now I’m being honest here, if I go out, I stay put for two-three weeks. I go out once a week to take the trash out of course But I keep thinking even though I’m considered healthy, and my BMI is 27 ( thank you quarantine) I’m slightly paranoid to be around people. I just don’t know. So I’ll err on the side of caution.
I have several things to say about MDs, or Specialists. And meds. I'll talk about it later. Too early in the morning for a beer run... I mean... for one of my rants
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I have several things to say about MDs, or Specialists. And meds. I'll talk about it later. Too early in the morning for a beer run... I mean... for one of my rants
No worries. I haven’t had my coffee either. I’m just lying in bed with my iPad. Lazy day.
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People here have to remember that this is a global pandemic and things are bad everywhere. In fact, those of us in Red States are less restricted than most of the world is.
1) The world has has pandemics worse than this in our lifetime and no one has ever reacted this way where you isolate the healthy.
2) Those red states are having the predicted issues with letting their citizens out of the forced internment in their houses and away from their livelihood.
Perhaps Europe should take a clue from the “red states†in the U.S.
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No worries. I haven’t had my coffee either. I’m just lying in bed with my iPad. Lazy day.
See? You ain't hurt.
I have a heat pad and an Amazon FIRE tablet. It is snowing here. I don't have cell phone to take a pic. Big beautiful flakes.
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See? You ain't hurt.
I have a heat pad and an Amazon FIRE tablet. It is snowing here. I don't have cell phone to take a pic. Big beautiful flakes.
I’d love to see snow. I don’t tolerate hot weather.
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1) The world has has pandemics worse than this in our lifetime and no one has ever reacted this way where you isolate the healthy.
2) Those red states are having the predicted issues with letting their citizens out of the forced internment in their houses and away from their livelihood.
Perhaps Europe should take a clue from the “red states†in the U.S.
You are right. The world didnt shut down with the Spanish Flu.
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Dr, Marc Siegel’s Top 3 Coronavirus Restrictions That Make No Sense on Memorial Day Weekend
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Big Tech censors dissent over coronavirus lockdowns
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPrbGU0Wyh4#)
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I know several bald men who put sunscreen on their heads.
And I know quite a few women who lost hair from either pregnancies or bariatric surgery. There’s also a psychiatric disorder called trictillomania where it’s like ocd and you constantly pull out your hair. They don’t even know they’re doing it.
@musiclady
Right. If you're bald you need sunscreen.
I hadn't thought of those other conditions, @Gefn, but you're right. There are several health conditions that result in baldness in women.
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Now I’m being honest here, if I go out, I stay put for two-three weeks. I go out once a week to take the trash out of course But I keep thinking even though I’m considered healthy, and my BMI is 27 ( thank you quarantine) I’m slightly paranoid to be around people. I just don’t know. So I’ll err on the side of caution.
That's fine and all... But somewhere along that road lies the path to the crazy old cat lady... Jussayin.
I have been alone for vast tracts of my life. And I am alright with that. I am enough of an introvert to be content in solitude, far from everyone. But I know it ain't right. The Father said it is not good for Man to be alone.
So while I prefer solitude, I make it a point to go out. Not a lot, but enough. I still pay my bills in person. I purposefully don't use grocery delivery services. I go walk the aisles. I go to an event at least twice a month and out to eat at least twice a month (and those two types cannot be combined). And at least ONE of those times, I am accompanied by a lady friend on purpose.
And you know what? In most cases, by far the most, I always have a really good time.
Shabbat Shalom y'all. happy77
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Big Tech censors dissent over coronavirus lockdowns
They've come to the conclusion that dissent is immoral, and they need to get slapped if we expect them to behave differently. It will take an act of Congress, I suspect. The subject could be addressed with a 1st Amendment lawsuit, but I can see them getting off with the bogus "yelling 'fire!' in a crowded theatre" argument.
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That's fine and all... But somewhere along that road lies the path to the crazy old cat lady... Jussayin.
I have been alone for vast tracts of my life. And I am alright with that. I am enough of an introvert to be content in solitude, far from everyone. But I know it ain't right. The Father said it is not good for Man to be alone.
So while I prefer solitude, I make it a point to go out. Not a lot, but enough. I still pay my bills in person. I purposefully don't use grocery delivery services. I go walk the aisles. I go to an event at least twice a month and out to eat at least twice a month (and those two types cannot be combined). And at least ONE of those times, I am accompanied by a lady friend on purpose.
And you know what? In most cases, by far the most, I always have a really good time.
That's always worked for me. I lucked into marrying another loaner. "Self-isolating" is a second nature to us.
Shabbat Shalom y'all. happy77
And to you as well! Both of you!
@roamer_1
@Gefn
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@bigheadfred
Ten years ago this November one of my medications causes me to have total renal failure.
It happened literally over about 12 hours, and by the time I was admitted to the hospital I was unconscious and a priest came into my room and offered my parents last rites. (He didn’t know what faith I was).
I spent six weeks in hospital and got dialysis. Fortunately, everything came back. (Knocking wood)
Now I’m being honest here, if I go out, I stay put for two-three weeks. I go out once a week to take the trash out of course But I keep thinking even though I’m considered healthy, and my BMI is 27 ( thank you quarantine) I’m slightly paranoid to be around people. I just don’t know. So I’ll err on the side of caution.
@Gefn
You're not missing much. Most adults are only alive because it's illegal to kill them.
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That's always worked for me. I lucked into marrying another loaner. "Self-isolating" is a second nature to us.
I tend to pick outgoing gals... I suppose because they tend to get me out of my ruts. Some weird sort of self-medicating... But it works. I have an obligation to attend for her sake, and like I said, I wind up having a good time... Just not so much as to be overwhelming, and she CANNOT be a happy happy morning person. She won't survive.
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@Gefn
You're not missing much. Most adults are only alive because it's illegal to kill them.
Only if you get caught. :whistle:
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Fauci BACKTRACKS Says Its Time To Reopen, Study Shows Lockdown BACKFIRED
172,840 views•May 22, 2020
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Only if you get caught. :whistle:
Wait a minute.... :whistle:
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Only if you get caught. :whistle:
It’s not what you do. It’s only what they can prove you did.
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You are right. The world didnt shut down with the Spanish Flu.
Nor did they for the 1968 pandemic or the H1N1 pandemic in 2009.
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Nor did they for the 1968 pandemic or the H1N1 pandemic in 2009.
@txradioguy
There wasn't an election to steal at any of those times,and a braindead,criminal candidate for President to provide cover for in order to win.
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Fauci BACKTRACKS Says Its Time To Reopen, Study Shows Lockdown BACKFIRED
172,840 views•May 22, 2020
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZCOJq5DVZA#)
One of the problems, especially with the current scrubbing going on on platforms like Youtube and Facebook, is that when no one knows the answer for certain, scientists will debate what is and is not the appropriate course of action, will debate causative factors and effects, and where needed, remedies.
Prominence in a field is based on past accomplishments, political positions on politics, not scientific acumen.
Neither is a guarantee of being correct this time.
By removing that discussion, or at least only permitting one side of it, Youtube and Facebook have essentially done what the so-called Climate Experts have done: they have stopped science and moved on to dogma.
What people have been saying, nominally, that one size does not fit all, but that the solutions may be counterintuitive, may be simpler and already in hand than finding or engineering something new for at least most of the problem, and that regions, like people have their unique characteristics which require different solutions to problems.
Squelching the voices of reason (because reasoning, especially scientific reasoning, can be messy while figuring out how to deal with a new problem), only removes what can be viable solutions from discussion, and that doesn't benefit anyone. Only open, honest, and often, lively debate will reveal the answers we seek.
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CDC noted today that hospitalizations for all flu-like illnesses have now fallen below baseline—fewer people are being hospitalized for such illnesses including COVID now than in an average year without it.
\Oh, and New York's hospitalization death rate has fallen to under 100 per day.
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Syracuse Scientists Discover Way to Track COVID-19 in Wastewater
"We push out viral particles through our breath and through speaking and we’ve heard that a lot with droplets with coronavirus," Dr. David Larsen an epidemiologist from Syracuse University, explained. "We also push out viral particles in our feces when we go poop."
https://nystateofpolitics.com/state-of-politics/new-york/politics/2020/05/21/syracuse-scientists-discover-way-to-track-covid-in-wastewater-
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Syracuse Scientists Discover Way to Track COVID-19 in Wastewater
"We push out viral particles through our breath and through speaking and we’ve heard that a lot with droplets with coronavirus," Dr. David Larsen an epidemiologist from Syracuse University, explained. "We also push out viral particles in our feces when we go poop."
https://nystateofpolitics.com/state-of-politics/new-york/politics/2020/05/21/syracuse-scientists-discover-way-to-track-covid-in-wastewater-
I’d rather have the government stay busy tracking feces than people. Just seems more appropriate.
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Syracuse Scientists Discover Way to Track COVID-19 in Wastewater
"We push out viral particles through our breath and through speaking and we’ve heard that a lot with droplets with coronavirus," Dr. David Larsen an epidemiologist from Syracuse University, explained. "We also push out viral particles in our feces when we go poop."
https://nystateofpolitics.com/state-of-politics/new-york/politics/2020/05/21/syracuse-scientists-discover-way-to-track-covid-in-wastewater-
This looks like a good place to drop off these new Emojis I installed.
:poo: :pootrump:
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Breakthrough Drug: Ivermectin Shows 'Astounding' Results Against Coronavirus
Reports Friday from multiple trials in the United States and abroad indicate a drug already approved by the FDA to treat parasitic infections is showing “astounding†results, and could represent a breakthrough in efforts to vanquishing the SARS-CoV-2 virus at the heart of the global pandemic.
Doctors have administered the drug ivermectin in several simultaneous trials in several countries sometimes in combination with other common medications.
Physicians who participated in the study report that patients’ viral loads began declining almost immediately after they began administering ivermectin, a widely available prescription drug approved to combat parasites, scabies and head lice.
It has not been approved for COVID-19 patients, but doctors familiar with clinical trials described patients’ results as dramatic.
Emergency medical physician Dr. Peter H. Hibberd, M.D., of Palm Beach County, Florida, told Newsmax Friday evening in an exclusive interview that he’s optimistic the drug will prove to be an important therapeutic advance, although he expects more trials will be needed before it wins FDA approval for use as a COVID-19 medication.
He noted it has impressed doctors in clinical trials on multiple continents.
“There’s a common denominator here,†said Hibberd. “This drug is salvaging people from their death bed.â€
In some cases, doctors reported just one dose of ivermectin markedly improved a patient’s condition. U. S. patients received a single oral dose, and some of them received a booster dose seven days later. The FDA-approved dose for parasitic infections was used.
The drug first emerged as a possible coronavirus therapeutic after a study to be published in next month’s Antiviral Research journal by researchers in Victoria, Australia showed the drug wiped out the virus in a test tube.........
https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/ (https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/)
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Breakthrough Drug: Ivermectin Shows 'Astounding' Results Against Coronavirus
Reports Friday from multiple trials in the United States and abroad indicate a drug already approved by the FDA to treat parasitic infections is showing “astounding†results, and could represent a breakthrough in efforts to vanquishing the SARS-CoV-2 virus at the heart of the global pandemic.
Doctors have administered the drug ivermectin in several simultaneous trials in several countries sometimes in combination with other common medications.
Physicians who participated in the study report that patients’ viral loads began declining almost immediately after they began administering ivermectin, a widely available prescription drug approved to combat parasites, scabies and head lice.
It has not been approved for COVID-19 patients, but doctors familiar with clinical trials described patients’ results as dramatic.
Emergency medical physician Dr. Peter H. Hibberd, M.D., of Palm Beach County, Florida, told Newsmax Friday evening in an exclusive interview that he’s optimistic the drug will prove to be an important therapeutic advance, although he expects more trials will be needed before it wins FDA approval for use as a COVID-19 medication.
He noted it has impressed doctors in clinical trials on multiple continents.
“There’s a common denominator here,†said Hibberd. “This drug is salvaging people from their death bed.â€
In some cases, doctors reported just one dose of ivermectin markedly improved a patient’s condition. U. S. patients received a single oral dose, and some of them received a booster dose seven days later. The FDA-approved dose for parasitic infections was used.
The drug first emerged as a possible coronavirus therapeutic after a study to be published in next month’s Antiviral Research journal by researchers in Victoria, Australia showed the drug wiped out the virus in a test tube.........
https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/ (https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/)
Should be first put into mandatory use for all government employees which includes Congress and the Fed judiciary.
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Breakthrough Drug: Ivermectin Shows 'Astounding' Results Against Coronavirus
Reports Friday from multiple trials in the United States and abroad indicate a drug already approved by the FDA to treat parasitic infections is showing “astounding†results, and could represent a breakthrough in efforts to vanquishing the SARS-CoV-2 virus at the heart of the global pandemic.
Doctors have administered the drug ivermectin in several simultaneous trials in several countries sometimes in combination with other common medications.
Physicians who participated in the study report that patients’ viral loads began declining almost immediately after they began administering ivermectin, a widely available prescription drug approved to combat parasites, scabies and head lice.
It has not been approved for COVID-19 patients, but doctors familiar with clinical trials described patients’ results as dramatic.
Emergency medical physician Dr. Peter H. Hibberd, M.D., of Palm Beach County, Florida, told Newsmax Friday evening in an exclusive interview that he’s optimistic the drug will prove to be an important therapeutic advance, although he expects more trials will be needed before it wins FDA approval for use as a COVID-19 medication.
He noted it has impressed doctors in clinical trials on multiple continents.
“There’s a common denominator here,†said Hibberd. “This drug is salvaging people from their death bed.â€
In some cases, doctors reported just one dose of ivermectin markedly improved a patient’s condition. U. S. patients received a single oral dose, and some of them received a booster dose seven days later. The FDA-approved dose for parasitic infections was used.
The drug first emerged as a possible coronavirus therapeutic after a study to be published in next month’s Antiviral Research journal by researchers in Victoria, Australia showed the drug wiped out the virus in a test tube.........
https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/ (https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/)
Uh-oh. Trump better not say something good about Ivermectin or the democrats and Neil Cavuto will warn everyone it’ll kill them if they take it.
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Uh-oh. Trump better not say something good about Ivermectin or the democrats and Neil Cavuto will warn everyone it’ll kill them if they take it.
If it's expensive, then here come the stories about Trump getting rich on COVID. If it's cheap, then Trump's getting rich on COVID!!!
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If it's expensive, then here come the stories about Trump getting rich on COVID. If it's cheap, then Trump's getting rich on COVID!!!
I am serious. Give a mandatory shot of this to every federal employee. To see if it is at first use an anti-parasitic.
Then we can talk about its use against covid.
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I am serious. Give a mandatory shot of this to every federal employee. To see if it is at first use an anti-parasitic.
Then we can talk about its use against covid.
You'll get no argument from me, @bigheadfred. We don't wanna use neutron bombs on DC, it might damage the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
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If it's expensive, then here come the stories about Trump getting rich on COVID. If it's cheap, then Trump's getting rich on COVID!!!
It dates to the 1970s. It's generic and cheap.
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It dates to the 1970s. It's generic and cheap.
Just follow the money....
Watch out, the hoarders are already on the way.
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Uh-oh. Trump better not say something good about Ivermectin or the democrats and Neil Cavuto will warn everyone it’ll kill them if they take it.
You mean like he did with the other anti-parasitic drug?
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It dates to the 1970s. It's generic and cheap.
Is that a quote from Norman Lear?
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Is that a quote from Norman Lear?
Sounds more like a quote from Norman Lear.
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Sounds more like a quote from Norman Lear.
Stop channeling @Quasar44. :nono:
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05-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.157 ↑ | 2.121 ↓ |
| United States | 4.529 ↑ | 3.730 ↓ |
| China | 16.888 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 801,712
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 33.1 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.5 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Substantial rise in reported US recoveries. US cases-to-recoveries ratio falls below 4 for first time. US 14-day recovery deficit falls for only second time in May.
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Stop channeling @Quasar44. :nono:
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I sure don’t want the “China Flu†but I think ( if you are not immune compromised) ...then it’s ok to go out !!!
This is not the bubonic death( China ) of the 14th Century and it’s not the Spanish Flu( which I think came from China,also )
Ex
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I sure don’t want the “China Flu†but I think ( if you are not immune compromised) ...then it’s ok to go out !!!
This is not the bubonic death( China ) of the 14th Century and it’s not the Spanish Flu( which I think came from China,also )
Ex
I'm fascinated by quasars...
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I'm fascinated by quasars...
That was back in the day when Motorola made a great TeeVee. "Works in a Drawer."
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If it's expensive, then here come the stories about Trump getting rich on COVID. If it's cheap, then Trump's getting rich on COVID!!!
My pups get dosed with it every month to prevent heartworms (Heartgard).
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05-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.296 ↑ | 2.105 ↓ |
| United States | 4.549 ↑ | 3.734 ↑ |
| China | 16.888 - | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 816,636
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 33.0 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.0 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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@txradioguy
There wasn't an election to steal at any of those times,and a braindead,criminal candidate for President to provide cover for in order to win.
@sneakypete very true.
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05-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.485 ↑ | 2.085 ↓ |
| United States | 4.656 ↑ | 3.672 ↓ |
| China | 16.890 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 821,359
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 33.5 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.3 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Georgia SARS-2 Fatalities
Average age: 74
Standard Deviation: ±14
Over 86% of fatalities are aged 60 or greater.
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COVID-19 not very infectious 8 days after symptoms occur, Winnipeg study suggests
COVID-19 appears to be infectious only for the first eight days after patients experience symptoms, Winnipeg researchers conclude in a study that, if confirmed by further work, could have implications for the way the disease is treated, isolated and prevented.
In the largest study of its kind so far, researchers from the National Microbiology Laboratory, Cadham Provincial Laboratory and the University of Manitoba looked at nasal or throat samples from 90 Manitobans who tested positive for COVID-19 from March 12 to the first week of April.
There was no viral growth whatsoever in samples taken from patients more than eight days after they became symptomatic, according to study findings published Friday in the peer-reviewed journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.
(excerpt)
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COVID-19 not very infectious 8 days after symptoms occur, Winnipeg study suggests
COVID-19 appears to be infectious only for the first eight days after patients experience symptoms, Winnipeg researchers conclude
The big question that remains unanswered is this: What about people who don't have any symptoms? Are they infectious?
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You guys will love this. I guess an MSNBC newsperson was shaming people for not wearing masks, a random guy walks up filming with his camera:
Newsguy: "Nobody here is wearing masks"
Random guy: "Including the cameraman, none of your crew are wearing them."
https://twitter.com/search?q=including%20the%20cameraman&src=typed_query
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05-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.587 ↑ | 2.070 ↓ |
| United States | 4.772 ↑ | 3.595 ↓ |
| China | 16.892 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 828,095
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 34.1 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.8 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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05-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.700 ↑ | 2.053 ↓ |
| United States | 4.800 ↑ | 3.562 ↓ |
| China | 16.893 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 838,111
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 34.3 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.8 % -
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Blood clots clogged lungs of African American coronavirus victims, study finds
Autopsies on 10 African American patients who died from COVID-19 show their lungs were filled with blood clots, according to a new study.
The autopsies were performed at University Medical Center in New Orleans by a team of pathologists from the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New Orleans. It's believed to be the first autopsy series on African Americans whose cause of death was attributed to COVID-19, according to the study, which was published Wednesday in monthly scientific journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
The small vessel clotting is a new finding that appears to be specific to COVID-19, according to the study.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162
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Blood clots clogged lungs of African American coronavirus victims, study finds
Autopsies on 10 African American patients who died from COVID-19 show their lungs were filled with blood clots, according to a new study.
The autopsies were performed at University Medical Center in New Orleans by a team of pathologists from the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New Orleans. It's believed to be the first autopsy series on African Americans whose cause of death was attributed to COVID-19, according to the study, which was published Wednesday in monthly scientific journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
The small vessel clotting is a new finding that appears to be specific to COVID-19, according to the study.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162
That’s really interesting. I’ve read that blood clotting and strokes have been results of Covid in younger victims too..... even those who survive.
Nick Cordero, the actor, is just one example, and he had his leg amputated because of it, has been in a coma, and is still hospitalized.
I wonder why African Americans get blood clots from it?
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That’s really interesting. I’ve read that blood clotting and strokes have been results of Covid in younger victims too..... even those who survive.
Nick Cordero, the actor, is just one example, and he had his leg amputated because of it, has been in a coma, and is still hospitalized.
I wonder why African Americans get blood clots from it?
Every disease has a level genetic pre-disposition, and obvious some demographics are harder hit than others.
While browsing the COVID maps, I noticed one strange thing. It seems that a lot of counties that are highly populated by Scotch-Irish (good bit of my ancestry) VA, WV, NC, TN, KY, AR seem to be less hit than others. That may be randomness, but I think 300 years of moonshine has had a side benefit. :cool:
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Blood clots clogged lungs of African American coronavirus victims, study finds
Autopsies on 10 African American patients who died from COVID-19 show their lungs were filled with blood clots, according to a new study.
The autopsies were performed at University Medical Center in New Orleans by a team of pathologists from the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New Orleans. It's believed to be the first autopsy series on African Americans whose cause of death was attributed to COVID-19, according to the study, which was published Wednesday in monthly scientific journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
The small vessel clotting is a new finding that appears to be specific to COVID-19, according to the study.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162
@jmyrlefuller
This is confusing to me. Are they trying to tell us this virus is racist and only gives lung blood clots to people of African origin?
Or are they saying they are just focusing on how blacks are affected,and don't know if the same applies to Caucasians,Asians,and His or Her Panics?
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That’s really interesting. I’ve read that blood clotting and strokes have been results of Covid in younger victims too..... even those who survive.
Nick Cordero, the actor, is just one example, and he had his leg amputated because of it, has been in a coma, and is still hospitalized.
@musiclady
Thanks,I had forgotten about the actor. He's out of the hospital now,isn't he? Seems like I caught a part of an interview of him on tv one day.
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Every disease has a level genetic pre-disposition, and obvious some demographics are harder hit than others.
While browsing the COVID maps, I noticed one strange thing. It seems that a lot of counties that are highly populated by Scotch-Irish (good bit of my ancestry) VA, WV, NC, TN, KY, AR seem to be less hit than others. That may be randomness, but I think 300 years of moonshine has had a side benefit. :cool:
@catfish1957
LOL! That was EXACTLY what I was thinking when I got to the bottom of your paragraph.
This might be good news to me because if it is true,I am most likely am now immune to it.
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@jmyrlefuller
This is confusing to me. Are they trying to tell us this virus is racist and only gives lung blood clots to people of African origin?
Or are they saying they are just focusing on how blacks are affected,and don't know if the same applies to Caucasians,Asians,and His or Her Panics?
It's the Newports.
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@jmyrlefuller
This is confusing to me. Are they trying to tell us this virus is racist and only gives lung blood clots to people of African origin?
Or are they saying they are just focusing on how blacks are affected,and don't know if the same applies to Caucasians,Asians,and His or Her Panics?
Don't read too much into it; the article said they only studied black people. I don't see why it would be any different for other races.
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@catfish1957
LOL! That was EXACTLY what I was thinking when I got to the bottom of your paragraph.
This might be good news to me because if it is true,I am most likely am now immune to it.
LOL...
And the fact our ancestors were the orignial purveyors of social distancing...
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/96/be/97/96be97e93ce096a3e28ae48f4fcdcd38.jpg)
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Every disease has a level genetic pre-disposition, and obvious some demographics are harder hit than others.
While browsing the COVID maps, I noticed one strange thing. It seems that a lot of counties that are highly populated by Scotch-Irish (good bit of my ancestry) VA, WV, NC, TN, KY, AR seem to be less hit than others. That may be randomness, but I think 300 years of moonshine has had a side benefit. :cool:
LOL! Mountain folk... and no surprise... though maybe not just likker.
Hillbillies are separate from town... don't go in too often. Grow their own food, so not going to the grocery store... Divorced from others, even among themselves, separation between families/farms...
AND moonshine... and mountain medicine.
You'll find the same thing in the Rockies. happy77
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@musiclady
Thanks,I had forgotten about the actor. He's out of the hospital now,isn't he? Seems like I caught a part of an interview of him on tv one day.
He's still hospitalized, and has been since March. I think he's had a recent lung infection, though, and quite a few set backs.
Not out of the woods yet.
I only know about him because we really like Blue Bloods and he's been on several of them (and updates about him keep showing up on my phone's Google feed).
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Don't read too much into it; the article said they only studied black people. I don't see why it would be any different for other races.
African Americans are dying at a much greater rate, so I'm sure they are interested in finding out why.
Obviously most live in highly congested areas, many have health issues, and many also are reluctant to go to Doctors, but the difference in the percentages is pretty significant.
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Every disease has a level genetic pre-disposition, and obvious some demographics are harder hit than others.
While browsing the COVID maps, I noticed one strange thing. It seems that a lot of counties that are highly populated by Scotch-Irish (good bit of my ancestry) VA, WV, NC, TN, KY, AR seem to be less hit than others. That may be randomness, but I think 300 years of moonshine has had a side benefit. :cool:
Could be. :laugh:
Or could be the natural social distancing the mountains provide.....
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Could be. :laugh:
Or could be the natural social distancing the mountains provide.....
Or....Raciss Trump and China got together to develop a disease that targets black people.
:sarc:
(You KNOW Farrakhan is already preaching this!)
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Blood clots clogged lungs of African American coronavirus victims, study finds
Autopsies on 10 African American patients who died from COVID-19 show their lungs were filled with blood clots, according to a new study.
The autopsies were performed at University Medical Center in New Orleans by a team of pathologists from the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New Orleans. It's believed to be the first autopsy series on African Americans whose cause of death was attributed to COVID-19, according to the study, which was published Wednesday in monthly scientific journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
The small vessel clotting is a new finding that appears to be specific to COVID-19, according to the study.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162 (https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162)
IIRC, this was found in victims early on in California. It is believed to be a Cytokine Storm sort of phenomenon. (see the last article in the links below). It is not confined to African-Americans, by any measure.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-26/blood-clots-pose-coronavirus-threat (https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-26/blood-clots-pose-coronavirus-threat)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/)
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/blood-clots-coronavirus-tpa/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/blood-clots-coronavirus-tpa/)
and How does coronavirus kill? Clinicians trace a ferocious rampage through the body, from brain to toes
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes)
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Blood clots clogged lungs of African American coronavirus victims, study finds
Autopsies on 10 African American patients who died from COVID-19 show their lungs were filled with blood clots, according to a new study.
The autopsies were performed at University Medical Center in New Orleans by a team of pathologists from the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New Orleans. It's believed to be the first autopsy series on African Americans whose cause of death was attributed to COVID-19, according to the study, which was published Wednesday in monthly scientific journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
The small vessel clotting is a new finding that appears to be specific to COVID-19, according to the study.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162 (https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/national-headlines/411604f6de6d426080d7dbf70bfc7162)
Interesting. This article mentions an African American man with clots in the lungs, but they were identified while he was alive, no autopsy needed:
This small Texas hospital is finding ways to save COVID-19 patients
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients)
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Interesting. This article mentions an African American man with clots in the lungs, but they were identified while he was alive, no autopsy needed:
This small Texas hospital is finding ways to save COVID-19 patients
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients)
I saw that story when it came out a couple weeks ago. It is a good read. HCQ is apparently a standard course of treatment there.
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African Americans are dying at a much greater rate, so I'm sure they are interested in finding out why.
Obviously most live in highly congested areas, many have health issues, and many also are reluctant to go to Doctors, but the difference in the percentages is pretty significant.
Due to their dark skin, it's also not unusual for them to have a vitamin D deficiency which affects the immune system. Also, I would not be surprised to learn that residents of assisting living facilities, many of whom never get any sunlight to make their own vitamin D, are deficient as well and are not given a supplement to make up for it.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(20)30183-2/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(20)30183-2/fulltext)
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It's the Newports.
@Cyber Liberty
Don't forget the Kools.
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Don't read too much into it; the article said they only studied black people. I don't see why it would be any different for other races.
@jmyrlefuller
Of course it would. Blacks have some DNA that is different,or they wouldn't be black. I am guessing the same is true of Asians and other smaller groups.
Sickle Cell Anemia is one disease that comes to mind.
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Due to their dark skin, it's also not unusual for them to have a vitamin D deficiency which affects the immune system. Also, I would not be surprised to learn that residents of assisting living facilities, many of whom never get any sunlight to make their own vitamin D, are deficient as well and are not given a supplement to make up for it.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(20)30183-2/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(20)30183-2/fulltext)
Good points. Vitamin D is extremely important for good health, and I know that older people who take enough have a higher survival rate if they do get Covid.
But the lack of sunlight in congregate settings such as nursing homes, compounded with age, makes sense.
I didn't know that darker skin creates a vitamin D deficiency.... Interesting.... Thanks!
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@jmyrlefuller
Of course it would. Blacks have some DNA that is different,or they wouldn't be black. I am guessing the same is true of Asians and other smaller groups.
Sickle Cell Anemia is one disease that comes to mind.
Sickle Cell Anemia thwarts the malaria parasite. I wonder if it helps or hurts with COVID?
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Sickle Cell Anemia thwarts the malaria parasite. I wonder if it helps or hurts with COVID?
@Smokin Joe
Probably a good question,but I am most definitely the wrong person to ask.
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Are Temperature Checks Just Covid-Prevention Theater?
Monitoring customers and employees for fevers is becoming common practice, but maybe it shouldn’t.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,403456.msg2219255.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,403456.msg2219255.html)
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The swimming pool at a local park will open soon. It was just reported that employees will be checking patrons' temperatures. *****rollingeyes*****
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The swimming pool at a local park will open soon. It was just reported that employees will be checking patrons' temperatures. *****rollingeyes*****
External temperature should be consistently equal to the temperature of the water in the pool, +/- a couple. Am I missing something? Did the laws of thermodynamics take a vacay?
And don't most pools run around 80F?
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Due to their dark skin, it's also not unusual for them to have a vitamin D deficiency which affects the immune system.
Melanin does inhibit the efficiency of Vitamin D synthesis from UVB radiation. However, it isn't a factor when governments are ordering citizens to remain indoors.
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External temperature should be consistently equal to the temperature of the water in the pool, +/- a couple. Am I missing something? Did the laws of thermodynamics take a vacay?
And don't most pools run around 80F?
The first few weeks after the pools open, the water is just above freezing.... at least it feels that way.
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The first few weeks after the pools open, the water is just above freezing.... at least it feels that way.
It takes a while for the urine to warm em up I guess... :shrug: :whistle:
LOL! This whole thing is funny to me... Pick a lake... pick a river.... heck, pick a pond or a creek... They couldn't stop that sort of thing here if they tried. Not that ppl would stand for it anyhow.
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It takes a while for the urine to warm em up I guess... :shrug: :whistle:
LOL! This whole thing is funny to me... Pick a lake... pick a river.... heck, pick a pond or a creek... They couldn't stop that sort of thing here if they tried. Not that ppl would stand for it anyhow.
They aren't standing for it in deep-blue southern California, either.
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It takes a while for the urine to warm em up I guess... :shrug: :whistle:
LOL! This whole thing is funny to me... Pick a lake... pick a river.... heck, pick a pond or a creek... They couldn't stop that sort of thing here if they tried. Not that ppl would stand for it anyhow.
The problem in suburbia is that all the "natural" water is so polluted you don't dare swim in it...
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The problem in suburbia is that all the "natural" water is so polluted you don't dare swim in it...
That should be telling you something. Jussayin. :whistle:
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05-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 7.888 ↑ | 2.024 ↓ |
| United States | 4.827 ↑ | 3.546 ↓ |
| China | 16.894 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 855,538
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 34.2 % ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 38.6 % ↓
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Interesting. This article mentions an African American man with clots in the lungs, but they were identified while he was alive, no autopsy needed:
This small Texas hospital is finding ways to save COVID-19 patients
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients)
Great article. Gives a lot of hope.
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Great article. Gives a lot of hope.
Can't get past the pop up to read it.
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@Smokin Joe
Try this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG)
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@truth_seeker
Good article. Thanks for posting.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG)
A lung doctor specializing in intensive care, he’d managed emergency rooms at larger hospitals, spoken a half-dozen languages in clinics around the world. When SARS erupted in Asia, Varon flew to Singapore to learn how to treat it. Now he was pulling 20-hour shifts, phoning medical students late at night to scan the latest research.
Cervantes was not put on a ventilator. Though the breathing machines have become commonplace, Varon believes they decrease survival rates to about 20%.
So far, all 50 patients treated on the unit have lived. “I don’t know what place in the U.S. knows more about COVID than this little hospital — the treatment and the social issues,†Varon said.
Big Woo Hoo for Houston!
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@Smokin Joe
Try this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients/ar-BB14m0IG)
Varon, who has also been consulting with colleagues in China, Italy and Spain, employs a treatment of steroids, blood thinners, Vitamin C and hydroxychloroquine, one of the drugs touted by President Trump.
Steroids (anti inflammatory) to ward off the cytokine storm that has been a likely contributing factor to mortality. Blood thinners to prevent clotting, vitamin C and hydroxychloroquine as antivirals and an ionophore. His patients still have to work through the disease, but are surviving better without dependence on the ventilators, which seem to lower survival rates (although the patients are in bad shape when they are put on the ventilator to begin with).
This makes sense, thanks.
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If you are fighting this off at home, it is important to lay face down to reduce stress on your lungs. Exercise your lungs by performing repetitions of breathing in and out while maximizing the volume of each breath. And get an O2 monitor that you can wear on your finger to gauge the severity of diminished lung capacity.
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If you are fighting this off at home, it is important to lay face down to reduce stress on your lungs. Exercise your lungs by performing repetitions of breathing in and out while maximizing the volume of each breath. And get an O2 monitor that you can wear on your finger to gauge the severity of diminished lung capacity.
Many hospitals place patients on their backs and generally keep them there. When I had pneumonia, I changed my posture as much as possible to help my lungs drain to make it easier to clear the mucous out.
Staying in one position would not have helped clear them out.
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‘Superspreaders’ Could Actually Make Covid-19 Easier to Control
The disease that was the main focus of the paper was the coronavirus-caused Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome that had emerged in China two years before and spread rapidly into several other Asian countries and Canada before being contained. The authors devised a new variable, “k,†to reflect the distribution of individual infectiousness, with a low k meaning a more skewed spread. They assigned SARS a k of 0.16. Estimates of the k of the pandemic influenza of 1918 hover around 1, journalist and molecular biologist Kai Kupferschmidt reported last week in an excellent Science magazine account of the superspreading phenomenon. In response to the article, the lead author of the 2005 Nature study, Jamie Lloyd-Smith of the University of California at Los Angeles, tweeted that his provisional estimate of Covid-19’s k is 0.17. (Epidemiology Twitter is where it’s at, people.)
What can we do with these estimates of k? In 2005, Lloyd-Smith and his co-authors ran computer simulations of thousands of hypothetical epidemics, and found that diseases with a k nearing 0.1 were much more likely to fizzle out on their own or be stopped by modest control measures than those with a k of 0.5 or higher.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-28/superspreader-events-might-actually-help-control-covid-19 (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-28/superspreader-events-might-actually-help-control-covid-19)
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Re: the ventilator issue @Smokin Joe
Northwell Health probing ventilator use amid high coronavirus death rate
Northwell — which runs Lenox Hill, Long Island Jewish and Staten Island University hospitals, as well as other regional hospitals — is examining a cohort of 12,000 coronavirus patients it treated in March and early April, including about 2,000 who were placed on ventilators.
“We’re trying to do a retrospective review. The debate is, should we have tried other non-invasive interventions in the first place? A big question is, can you delay putting patients on a ventilator or never put them on?†McGinn said.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/northwell-health-probing-use-of-ventilators-for-covid-patients/
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Now I am beginning to understand why Cuomo asked for more ventilators.
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...and we can thank God for this....
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05-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.001 ↑ | 2.016 ↓ |
| United States | 4.970 ↑ | 3.452 ↓ |
| China | 16.895 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 860,174
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 35.0 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 39.3 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Global Recovery-to-Death ratio surpasses 8.
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Re: the ventilator issue @Smokin Joe
Northwell Health probing ventilator use amid high coronavirus death rate
Northwell — which runs Lenox Hill, Long Island Jewish and Staten Island University hospitals, as well as other regional hospitals — is examining a cohort of 12,000 coronavirus patients it treated in March and early April, including about 2,000 who were placed on ventilators.
“We’re trying to do a retrospective review. The debate is, should we have tried other non-invasive interventions in the first place? A big question is, can you delay putting patients on a ventilator or never put them on?†McGinn said.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/northwell-health-probing-use-of-ventilators-for-covid-patients/
It will take a thorough and well conducted study to sift through the complicating factors when it comes to ventilator use. Did the patients die
.... because of underlying conditions?
.....Cytokine response?
....because the disease was so advanced that by the time they went on the ventilator they were already in serious trouble?
Did the ventilators exacerbate some condition that led to a bad outcome?
Did they cause damage?
Or would the patients simply have died anyway and the vents saved who they did instead?
A lot of variables to sort, and I hope some good science is done there.
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A lot of variables to sort, and I hope some good science is done there.
Why start now?
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Why start now?
For the novelty of it. There are still good doctors out there, good scientists as well. They just seldom get the headlines and the limelight because they are more interested in truth than being paraded around and playing politics. Sometimes truth is unpopular, sometimes it does not lead to a profit, and sometimes it contraindicates what the lobbyists want.
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For the novelty of it. There are still good doctors out there, good scientists as well. They just seldom get the headlines and the limelight because they are more interested in truth than being paraded around and playing politics. Sometimes truth is unpopular, sometimes it does not lead to a profit, and sometimes it contraindicates what the lobbyists want.
For the novelty of corona. LOL.
Set the controls for the heart of the sun.
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Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.
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Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.
I do find it interesting that the institutinalizaton of masks has made law enforcement's job more difficult identifying and charging rioting perps.
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For the novelty of corona. LOL.
Set the controls for the heart of the sun.
Nah, Fred, for the novelty of doing good science.
There are still a few of us out here.
It's highly unlikely that we will ever be in prominent positions because we wouldn't sign off on lies.
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Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Isn't that true of all of them in the last 50 years in the US?
"Riot" = "Free shopping".
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Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.
No truer words ever spoken....
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05-31-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.148 ↑ | 2.004 ↓ |
| United States | 5.071 ↑ | 3.394 ↓ |
| China | 16.897 ↑ | 1.060 - |
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 866,978
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 35.5 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 39.7 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio surpasses 5.
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Does anyone really give a shit about this anymore? It's clear from the media coverage of the riots that it's 90% BS.
Just wait. By the time all the protesters get home, they will have spread the virus to areas which do not have a problem and have jump started the "second wave".
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06-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.239 ↑ | 2.003 ↓ |
| United States | 5.649 ↑ | 3.063 ↓ |
| China | 16.898 ↑ | 1.060 - |
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +21
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 821,602
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 39.3 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 43.9 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Sizeable increase in reported US recoveries yesterday (+64k).
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06-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.307 ↑ | 2.003 - |
| United States | 5.756 ↑ | 3.021 ↓ |
| China | 16.898 - | 1.060 - |
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +225
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 827,953
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 39.7 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 44.4 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
New stat added. Reported deaths seem to be cyclical with lower numbers reported Sat-Mon. So I am comparing the reported increase today (Mon) with the reported increase last Monday. Today's number is positive, but on the past 'heavy' reporting days (Tue-Fri), there were decreases over the previous week. Anyway, just another thing to gauge the progress.
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06-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.307 ↑ | 2.003 - |
| United States | 5.756 ↑ | 3.021 ↓ |
| China | 16.898 - | 1.060 - |
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +225
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 827,953
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 39.7 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 44.4 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
New stat added. Reported deaths seem to be cyclical with lower numbers reported Sat-Mon. So I am comparing the reported increase today (Mon) with the reported increase last Monday. Today's number is positive, but on the past 'heavy' reporting days (Tue-Fri), there were decreases over the previous week. Anyway, just another thing to gauge the progress.
Why post this stuff anymore? The virus is gone right? KIDDING!!!!
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Just wait. By the time all the protesters get home, they will have spread the virus to areas which do not have a problem and have jump started the "second wave".
Well the bright side is it will end the problem sooner.
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Well the bright side is it will end the problem sooner.
:yowsa: Which one? :shrug: :whistle:
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Why post this stuff anymore? The virus is gone right? KIDDING!!!!
No, it’s just been bumped off to the next flavor of the month story. You know, if it bleeds, it leads.
Give the riots another week or so for the next major news story to come along and take over the front page. I hope it won’t be worse than these two, and it will be something amazing and wonderful The pessimist in me is grieving over the world right now. The optimist knows we can make all this better.
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No, it’s just been bumped off to the next flavor of the month story. You know, if it bleeds, it leads.
Give the riots another week or so for the next major news story to come along and take over the front page. I hope it won’t be worse than these two, and it will be something amazing and wonderful The pessimist in me is grieving over the world right now. The optimist knows we can make all this better.
No actually, this will be likely milked until Election Day.... Antifa/BLM will use milestones to re-start violence based on ANY news-cycle related to the Floyd Case and the MN cops. It's part of their play book.
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No actually, this will be likely milked until Election Day.... Antifa/BLM will use milestones to re-start violence based on ANY news-cycle related to the Floyd Case and the MN cops. It's part of their play book.
Actually, I thought with the itinerant agitators, they'd start the second wave Fauci, the CDC, the WHO, and the rest all seem to crave.
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Actually, I thought with the itinerant agitators, they'd start the second wave Fauci, the CDC, the WHO, and the rest all seem to crave.
Job security?
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Job security?
Remember the brass ring? Economic destruction? By hook or by crook...anything to hamper recovery?
That would be my concern.
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Actually, I thought with the itinerant agitators, they'd start the second wave Fauci, the CDC, the WHO, and the rest all seem to crave.
Might be COVID-19 Part Deaux , or a combination thereof. Ferguson was a text book example. And BLM/Antifa had everything timed perfectly to the news cycle.
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No, it’s just been bumped off to the next flavor of the month story. You know, if it bleeds, it leads.
Give the riots another week or so for the next major news story to come along and take over the front page. I hope it won’t be worse than these two, and it will be something amazing and wonderful
@Gefn
I thought you wrote you wanted it to be something amazing and wonderful?
When was the last time you saw something amazing and wonderful take over control of the media headlines?
Not counting Bathhouse Barry's election,of course. </S>
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No, it’s just been bumped off to the next flavor of the month story. You know, if it bleeds, it leads.
Give the riots another week or so for the next major news story to come along and take over the front page. I hope it won’t be worse than these two, and it will be something amazing and wonderful The pessimist in me is grieving over the world right now. The optimist knows we can make all this better.
The rats have to peel off Trump's black support if they want to win. Ergo the rat media will carry back to back racial crisis until November.
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The rats have to peel off Trump's black support if they want to win. Ergo the rat media will carry back to back racial crisis until November.
@skeeter
I have absolutely zero proof that what I am about to write is true,but I sure hope it is.
One ABSOLUTE FACT that we all know at one level or another is that the media NEVER interviews the typical black working man or woman that lives their normal lives,going to work each day and taking care of their children. People who are "white" in everything but their skin color. Hell,they refuse to admit these people even exist.
According to the media,there are two classes of blacks in America,ghetto rats,and celebrities with double digit IQ's and multi-million dollar band accounts from selling "stoopid" to the ghetto rats they identify with.
Both can be easily manipulated by the media,which is why the media loves them so much,and wants everyone to think they are the ONLY black people in America.
Don't we ALL know blacks whose lives and outlooks on life are one HELL of a lot closer to our own,than that depicted by the race baiters and poverty pimps in the media?
We never hear these people speak for two reasons,the prime one being there seems to be no media outlet in this country the tiniest bit interested in hearing what they have to say because there is no money to be make selling normalcy. "If it bleeds it leads,and if it doesn't bleed,we need to make it bleed!" is the motto of the media. Blood and death sells.
The other reason,of course,is they are afraid of being physically attacked by the ghetto rats,whose biggest fear is being forced to work for a living and to provide for themselves. Easier to steal,pimp,sell drugs,and wait for "de goobermint check to cum in". The Dims faithful little pets,bought and paid for with taxpayer money.
*I* SUSPECT that this "silent majority" of blacks will go to the polls and vote for Trump come election day. The media will never report this,and will lie about it if pushed into a corner because the left controls all the published and broadcast media in this nation. Probably in all the western world.
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Give the riots another week or so for the next major news story to come along and take over the front page. I hope it won’t be worse than these two, and it will be something amazing and wonderful The pessimist in me is grieving over the world right now. The optimist knows we can make all this better.
@Gern
Tell that optimist guy he needs to sober up before he hurts himself. Real life is never kind to fools.
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@skeeter
I have absolutely zero proof that what I am about to write is true,but I sure hope it is.
One ABSOLUTE FACT that we all know at one level or another is that the media NEVER interviews the typical black working man or woman that lives their normal lives,going to work each day and taking care of their children. People who are "white" in everything but their skin color. Hell,they refuse to admit these people even exist.
According to the media,there are two classes of blacks in America,ghetto rats,and celebrities with double digit IQ's and multi-million dollar band accounts from selling "stoopid" to the ghetto rats they identify with.
Both can be easily manipulated by the media,which is why the media loves them so much,and wants everyone to think they are the ONLY black people in America.
Don't we ALL know blacks whose lives and outlooks on life are one HELL of a lot closer to our own,than that depicted by the race baiters and poverty pimps in the media?
We never hear these people speak for two reasons,the prime one being there seems to be no media outlet in this country the tiniest bit interested in hearing what they have to say because there is no money to be make selling normalcy. "If it bleeds it leads,and if it doesn't bleed,we need to make it bleed!" is the motto of the media. Blood and death sells.
The other reason,of course,is they are afraid of being physically attacked by the ghetto rats,whose biggest fear is being forced to work for a living and to provide for themselves. Easier to steal,pimp,sell drugs,and wait for "de goobermint check to cum in". The Dims faithful little pets,bought and paid for with taxpayer money.
*I* SUSPECT that this "silent majority" of blacks will go to the polls and vote for Trump come election day. The media will never report this,and will lie about it if pushed into a corner because the left controls all the published and broadcast media in this nation. Probably in all the western world.
No proof needed. Of course you're right.
And it's worth remembering the rat media is manipulating all of us. I need to constantly slap myself into remembering the black trash the media loves to feature are not representative, there are people of all varieties we have much more in common with, even though the media does its best to obscure that fact.
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And it's worth remembering the rat media is manipulating all of us. I need to constantly slap myself into remembering the black trash the media loves to feature are not representative, there are people of all varieties we have much more in common with, even though the media does its best to obscure that fact.
@skeeter
The media's biggest fear is the typical non-political American taking the time to consider and recognize they will never because the "Masters of the Universe" that they envision,and will be laughed at if they ever put on the costumes they designed to show they are Super Heroes,and appear in public wearing them.
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@Gefn
I thought you wrote you wanted it to be something amazing and wonderful?
When was the last time you saw something amazing and wonderful take over control of the media headlines?
Not counting Bathhouse Barry's election,of course. </S>
@sneakypete off the top of my head, I can think of
When New Horizons flew by Pluto in 2015.
Of course New Years Eve 2000. Brand New Millennium
And when local sports teams win the pennant/ super bowl/ World Series.
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:yowsa: Which one? :shrug: :whistle:
It covers a number of bases...
We'll also find out if those cloth masks work. I really doubt they do. In addition the eyes are an easy entry point for the virus if it is in the air.
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Sweden now says Covid strategy was wrong...
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong (https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong)
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Governments and WHO changed Covid-19 policy based on suspect data from tiny US company
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,404057.msg2223546.html#msg2223546 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,404057.msg2223546.html#msg2223546)
Hydroxychloroquine scandal!
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06-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.483 ↑ | 1.961 ↓ |
| United States | 5.978 ↑ | 2.912 ↓ |
| China | 16.900 ↑ | 1.060 - |
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: + 367
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 816,550
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 41.1 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 45.9 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Cases-to-Recoveries ratio falls below 3. Global Cases-to-Recoveries ratio falls below 2.
Largest rises in new cases occurred in CA, TX, IL, AZ, and NY respectively.
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No proof needed. Of course you're right.
And it's worth remembering the rat media is manipulating all of us. I need to constantly slap myself into remembering the black trash the media loves to feature are not representative, there are people of all varieties we have much more in common with, even though the media does its best to obscure that fact.
THIS^^^^^
People from every State in the country, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Canada, and a bunch of other countries came here during the Oil Boom to make a living. Most to support their families, and many moved them here. There is remendous diversity now in an area that previously had people whose ancestors were Norwegians, Germans, a scattering of French, Irish, and English, and a handful of tribes of indigenous people. The hate game won't play here. Too many of us have worked together, and we realize that despite some minor differences in how to get there, we mostly want the same basic things.
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06-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.770 ↑ | 1.912 ↓ |
| United States | 6.310 ↑ | 2.762 ↓ |
| China | 16.900 - | 1.060 - |
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -452
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 794,911
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 43.2 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 48.1 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 6. US 14-day deficit has fallen over 60,000 over the last four days. Good news.
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, and FL.
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Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, and FL.
Which happen to be the 3 largest states by population. I think we are getting some statistical stabilization of managment of the disease. Have you checked the Hopkins site, and clicked the daily case rate? If you put a semi-looking correlation line since peak (April 10th + or -) , new cases approach zero by late fall. Of course, will there be a second wave????
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Which happen to be the 3 largest states by population. I think we are getting some statistical stabilization of managment of the disease.
Info was posted to show a shift in exposure. NY, NJ, MA, and IL have been at the top for a long while. We are now seeing their rates of infection fall as other areas rise. Sure, Texas is going to boast a higher number than Oklahoma or New Mexico. But overall, Texas ranks 39th among the States in cases per 1M population. Florida 36th and California 33rd. Just pointing out that NY and NJ are no longer the hot spots they once were.
I haven't been logging a history of daily stats for each State. I'll check out what Hopkins has.
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So...
If there's another wave of sickness in a week from the protesters not social distancing during their "activities", can we call them terrorist like they were calling other people who just wanted to go to church or a movie? After all we were told that those who went out and didn't social distance properly were threats to everyone else and were bad citizens, being selfish, etc.
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This has to be a statistical glitch. Every single COVID death in the state yesterday was outside NYC??? *bouche*
NYC reports no new coronavirus deaths for first time since mid-March
https://nypost.com/2020/06/04/nyc-reports-no-new-coronavirus-deaths-for-first-time-since-mid-march/
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Dr. Ray Casciari, Pulmonologist--KFI AM 640 probably biggest os Angeles Station*-Tim Conway Jr
Stated very fast track on vacinne, late this year. Testing in Brazil.
*possibly in the entire West.
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06-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.770 ↑ | 1.912 ↓ |
| United States | 6.310 ↑ | 2.762 ↓ |
| China | 16.900 - | 1.060 - |
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -452
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 794,911
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 43.2 % ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 48.1 % ↑
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 6. US 14-day deficit has fallen over 60,000 over the last four days. Good news.
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, and FL.
Makes a guy wonder what those numbers would look like without the padding of deaths here in the US.
Daughter is still in ICU, MRSA and Pneumonia, off the ventilator, but due to stay for IV antibiotics a while (doing much better, thank to all for their prayers and good wishes). She was tested multiple times for COVID (negative, each time).
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Makes a guy wonder what those numbers would look like without the padding of deaths here in the US.
Daughter is still in ICU, MRSA and Pneumonia, off the ventilator, but due to stay for IV antibiotics a while (doing much better, thank to all for their prayers and good wishes). She was tested multiple times for COVID (negative, each time).
@Smokin Joe your daughter is in ICU???
I missed that earlier. Very sorry to hear that. So glad to hear she's improving! They don't think it is Covid so what do they think it is? Could it be a mutation of Covid that no longer correlates to the COVID19 test criteria?
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@Smokin Joe your daughter is in ICU???
I missed that earlier. Very sorry to hear that. So glad to hear she's improving! They don't think it is Covid so what do they think it is? Could it be a mutation of Covid that no longer correlates to the COVID19 test criteria?
As I said, not COVID. All tests have come back negative for COVID, and she was retested a few times.
Between MRSA (with sepsis) and bilateral pneumonia, she was in tough shape.
Billions of people died of nasty stuff long before the Chinese made SARS-CoV-2.
She is where she needs to be, getting the treatment she needs, and it's working (to our great relief).
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Was there an announcement that the Pandemic is over?
During my weekly grocery pickup, I noticed close to 90% of all patrons going in and out of the store, were not wearing masks.
I'm not that brave yet, but it seems like most everyone thinks this thing is over.
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Was there an announcement that the Pandemic is over?
During my weekly grocery pickup, I noticed close to 90% of all patrons going in and out of the store, were not wearing masks.
I'm not that brave yet, but it seems like most everyone thinks this thing is over.
I do not wear masks and not going to start now but I do take 1gm of vitamin C every day.
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I do not wear masks and not going to start now but I do take 1gm of vitamin C every day.
Same here but I take the centrum old peoples vitamins... helps my knees...
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Was there an announcement that the Pandemic is over?
During my weekly grocery pickup, I noticed close to 90% of all patrons going in and out of the store, were not wearing masks.
I'm not that brave yet, but it seems like most everyone thinks this thing is over.
I went to Phys. Ther. at Hoag Newport Beach. Everybody gets temp taken,, and wears masks.
They said they were just now fully open.
At the beaches, one group still thinks there is a crisis, and the other group thinks it is over.
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During my weekly grocery pickup, I noticed close to 90% of all patrons going in and out of the store, were not wearing masks.
I'm not that brave yet, but it seems like most everyone thinks this thing is over.
I think people have realized that the risk of death is at such a low point that it does not warrant the inconvenience and social stigma of wearing a mask. Personally, I wear a mask in public because I promised my son I would. Essentially, my mask is to make everyone else feel better. But it also serves as a reminder to me for my own diligence in maintaining new habits of hand washing, distancing, etc. Plus when I travel, I am required to wear one per airline policy and per my own company policy.
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As I said, not COVID. All tests have come back negative for COVID, and she was retested a few times.
Between MRSA (with sepsis) and bilateral pneumonia, she was in tough shape.
Billions of people died of nasty stuff long before the Chinese made SARS-CoV-2.
She is where she needs to be, getting the treatment she needs, and it's working (to our great relief).
I'm so sorry for what she and your family have been going through, but glad to hear she is on the mend.
My husband went though MRSA / sepsis years ago. It popped up one week after a heart attack so he obviously picked it up from either IV's or the stent implant procedure the week before. To me, it was much scarier than the heart attack. Vancomycin worked wonders. It was such a relief when his 104 degree fever broke, which had not budged in three days, during the first IV. After the first two IV's, he was discharged and we went to his infectious disease MD where the nurse showed me how to hook him up to the IV's and we did the rest (2X / day for 14 days total) at home and even at work.
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I'm so sorry for what she and your family have been going through, but glad to hear she is on the mend.
My husband went though MRSA / sepsis years ago. It popped up one week after a heart attack so he obviously picked it up from either IV's or the stent implant procedure the week before. To me, it was much scarier than the heart attack. Vancomycin worked wonders. It was such a relief when his 104 degree fever broke, which had not budged in three days, during the first IV. After the first two IV's, he was discharged and we went to his infectious disease MD where the nurse showed me how to hook him up to the IV's and we did the rest (2X / day for 14 days total) at home and even at work.
I'm not sure what the details are, but she has been told to expect another couple of weeks in hospital if all goes well. She was out for a couple of days before being intubated and sedated, and is coming back. It will take a little while. The hospital is not in a hurry to send her back out.
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@Smokin Joe
I think I would take my chances with SARS-2 than deal with MRSA. Stand on her healing in faith as did the Centurion. Declare it, and create it with your words.
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@Smokin Joe
I think I would take my chances with SARS-2 than deal with MRSA. Stand on her healing in faith as did the Centurion. Declare it, and create it with your words.
I already have, along with over 1000 people praying for her complete recovery. She will be fine, Praise God.
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I'm not sure what the details are, but she has been told to expect another couple of weeks in hospital if all goes well. She was out for a couple of days before being intubated and sedated, and is coming back. It will take a little while. The hospital is not in a hurry to send her back out.
Much more complicated than my hubby's condition due to the double pneumonia. Prayers for all of you.
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Much more complicated than my hubby's condition due to the double pneumonia. Prayers for all of you.
Thanks for the prayers. She is out of the ICU, private (isolation?) room, the pneumonia is getting better, now it's time to beat the MRSA back.
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Thanks for the prayers. She is out of the ICU, private (isolation?) room, the pneumonia is getting better, now it's time to beat the MRSA back.
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Did she have MRSA before she was admitted? Or did it arise after? I have an aunt that injured her leg.
Went to her GP (family MD) and contracted MRSA and was hospitalized for that. That they indeed tracked it back to her visit to her GP.
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Yesterday, Mr. M had to go to the DMV to get his license renewed. He couldn't go to the office nearest our home because it's been shuttered due to Covid-19. He had to drive an hour to get to another town. He also had to make an appointment and wait in the car until they called him in. Corona, you know.
He said he the "corrective lenses" requirement needs to be removed, as he's had cataract surgery and has the doctor's certificate attesting to his 20/20 vision. The woman said he couldn't do that, he'd have to fill out another form and come back and pay another $35. He reminded her how far he had driven for this, here's the doctor's certificate, why can't you just accept it? No can do, she said, but you can wait until next time you renew in five years, and come back to this office - if we're still under the Covid-19 procedures.
He asked her if she really thought we'd still have Coronavirus restrictions in five years. She allowed as how she didn't really know.
:thud:
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He said he the "corrective lenses" requirement needs to be removed, as he's had cataract surgery and has the doctor's certificate attesting to his 20/20 vision. The woman said he couldn't do that, he'd have to fill out another form and come back and pay another $35. He reminded her how far he had driven for this, here's the doctor's certificate, why can't you just accept it? No can do, she said, but you can wait until next time you renew in five years, and come back to this office - if we're still under the Covid-19 procedures.
He asked her if she really thought we'd still have Coronavirus restrictions in five years. She allowed as how she didn't really know.
:thud:
The Legend and stereotype of the DMV grows by the day.
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I almost had a panic attack. I saw my drivers license expired in May- then I realized it was 2021. Phew.
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I almost had a panic attack. I saw my drivers license expired in May- then I realized it was 2021. Phew.
:laugh:
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He asked her if she really thought we'd still have Coronavirus restrictions in five years.
@mountaineer
At this point I sure as hell wouldn't bet against that being the case.
The "natural slaves" are enjoying too much seeing others have to cave and become slaves by bowing to public panic,just like them.
Everybody MUST wear red and march in a straight line,dontchaknow?
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I almost had a panic attack. I saw my drivers license expired in May- then I realized it was 2021. Phew.
Had my own crappy little DMV event too. Before COVID, got a notice that I needed to get some kind of Star on my Lisc, even though my lisc. isn't due for a year. So I compiled my application, papework, showed up, and was thusly told after waiting 2 hours that my birth certificate copy wouldn't suffice, I'd have to bring in an original.
The hatred of the DMV that universal is pretty much justified.
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The Legend and stereotype of the DMV grows by the day.
@catfish1957
Why condemn her for stating the truth. She DOESN'T know. Neither do any of us.
The one thing we all DO know is that once government grabs power it damn near takes a revolution to get them to give it up.
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I almost had a panic attack. I saw my drivers license expired in May- then I realized it was 2021. Phew.
@Gefn
You might want to check with your state DMV. Some states are allowing drivers license renewals online because their offices were closed. It's a one time thing,but you are still covered for 4 years.
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@catfish1957
Why condemn her for stating the truth. She DOESN'T know. Neither do any of us.
The one thing we all DO know is that once government grabs power it damn near takes a revolution to get them to give it up.
Pete, read the rest of her experience. The "you are missing this", or "we can't do that for you" part of it. Maybe you are in the .01% that enjoys or has had great experience at DMV. :thud:
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22222frying pan
Pete, read the rest of her experience. The "you are missing this", or "we can't do that for you" part of it. Maybe you are in the .01% that enjoys or has had great experience at DMV. :thud:
@catfish1957
Two things.
1: It has nothing to do with the DMV,other than that happened to be the government agency mentioned. It is the NATURE of governements,ALL governments,to seize more power every chance they get.
It is the DUTY of citizens to stop them.
2: In fact,my last 2 experiences with the DMV WERE great. Due to their offices being closed because of the BS "killer virus",I renewed my driver's license off-line.
I renewed the plates on my 51 Ford yesterday in about 10 minutes because there was only 1 other customer standing in line ahead of me,and 3 clerks renewing plates. The clerks were all friendly and smiling,too. If I didn't know better,I would think they were lonely,bored,and happy to see somebody.
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22222frying pan
@catfish1957
Two things.
1: It has nothing to do with the DMV,other than that happened to be the government agency mentioned. It is the NATURE of governements,ALL governments,to seize more power every chance they get.
It is the DUTY of citizens to stop them.
2: In fact,my last 2 experiences with the DMV WERE great. Due to their offices being closed because of the BS "killer virus",I renewed my driver's license off-line.
I renewed the plates on my 51 Ford yesterday in about 10 minutes because there was only 1 other customer standing in line ahead of me,and 3 clerks renewing plates. The clerks were all friendly and smiling,too. If I didn't know better,I would think they were lonely,bored,and happy to see somebody.
22222frying pan
I hope you got pictures of it. Ripley's Beleive or Not is needing new episodes.
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22222frying pan
I hope you got pictures of it. Ripley's Beleive or Not is needing new episodes.
@catfish1957
What can I tell you? Go to your state DMV website and see if they are also allowing online drivers license renewals,and then drive by your local DMV and see if there are any lines or if the parking lot is full,as was normal in normal times.
Seems like a LOT of people are renewing their plates and driver licenses online.
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At this point I sure as hell wouldn't bet against that being the case.
We gave up our freedom quickly enough for this virus, and it's only been two months of shutdown thus far. May as well extend it five years, or forever. **nononono*
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We gave up our freedom quickly enough for this virus, and it's only been two months of shutdown thus far. May as well extend it five years, or forever. **nononono*
That's what I'm afraid of. Drag this on long enough, and people will decide, "well, we've gone this long without it, who needs it?" And boom, everything's been destroyed for good.
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That's what I'm afraid of. Drag this on long enough, and people will decide, "well, we've gone this long without it, who needs it?" And boom, everything's been destroyed for good.
Let this be the defining argument in the November Elections.
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Did she have MRSA before she was admitted? Or did it arise after? I have an aunt that injured her leg.
Went to her GP (family MD) and contracted MRSA and was hospitalized for that. That they indeed tracked it back to her visit to her GP.
Apparently it was there when she was admitted. Probably why she went downhill fast at the start.
Yeah, I try to touch very little in the hospitals.
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Media And Democrats "Political Hit Job" Against Trump And COVID Medicine EXPOSED, Likely Cost Lives
184,724 views•Jun 6, 2020
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Facts as I now see them:
1. Nation in crisis. Potus gathers information. Hears of a possible medical solution, in this drug.
2. Shares about this drug, with a fearful nation.
3. With the motive of discrediting, finding any fault with this Potus, media, democrats, TDSers,#nevertrumpers, discover contrary information.
4. Said contrary information is spread far and wide, with the sole motive of damaging the Potus.
5. Now that yet another mistake is found, little will be heard.
6. The truth is however, as Tim Pool points out, many thousand of lives were likely lost, in this effort to damage Trump.
7. Think about that, you morality warriors. Doctors/nurses took the drug. It helped them
8. Apparently Trump erred with the lockdown, but the intention was to save lives, based on bad models from London and Washington State.
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Facts as I now see them:
1. Nation in crisis. Potus gathers information. Hears of a possible medical solution, in this drug.
2. Shares about this drug, with a fearful nation.
3. With the motive of discrediting, finding any fault with this Potus, media, democrats, TDSers,#nevertrumpers, discover contrary information.
4. Said contrary information is spread far and wide, with the sole motive of damaging the Potus.
5. Now that yet another mistake is found, little will be heard.
6. The truth is however, as Tim Pool points out, many thousand of lives were likely lost, in this effort to damage Trump.
7. Think about that, you morality warriors. Doctors/nurses took the drug. It helped them
8. Apparently Trump erred with the lockdown, but the intention was to save lives, based on bad models from London and Washington State.
Y'all need to widen your view.
This ain't about Tumpy. At best anything about Tumpy is tangential.
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Y'all need to widen your view.
This ain't about Tumpy. At best anything about Tumpy is tangential.
I wish I could agree with that. Too much water has passed over the dam for me to believe it. Watching the Democrats over the past three years, I'm reminded of thumbscrew torture, with the Rats progressively tightening them to the point we have rioters setting churches on fire.
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I wish I could agree with that. Too much water has passed over the dam for me to believe it. Watching the Democrats over the past three years, I'm reminded of thumbscrew torture, with the Rats progressively tightening them to the point we have rioters setting churches on fire.
Right. Keep thinking there's two sides. By the time you figger it out you'll be in chains.
You want Tumpy not to be complicit? Fine, then he's the bagholder. Whatever.
But this sure as hell ain't ABOUT him.
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Right. Keep thinking there's two sides. By the time you figger it out you'll be in chains.
You want Tumpy not to be complicit? Fine, then he's the bagholder. Whatever.
But this sure as hell ain't ABOUT him.
Didn't say it was ALL about him (there have been race riots and usurpers as long as I've been alive), but it's easy to come to that conclusion when one sees the level of hatred directed at him. Is he so rotten that you think he deserves it? Would you also say the American people deserve it too?
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Didn't say it was ALL about him (there have been race riots and usurpers as long as I've been alive), but it's easy to come to that conclusion when one sees the level of hatred directed at him. Is he so rotten that you think he deserves it? Would you also say the American people deserve it too?
A man with all the right enemies has to have some good in him. I’d support him for that reason alone.
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Didn't say it was ALL about him (there have been race riots and usurpers as long as I've been alive), but it's easy to come to that conclusion when one sees the level of hatred directed at him. Is he so rotten that you think he deserves it? Would you also say the American people deserve it too?
I think you don't remember... This ain't no different than any Republican president in office.
And is he so rotten? Yes he is. The way he got in there, as rotten as he was to win, don't expect me to be sorry for his lyin ass... That option left right then and there... Not to mention defend him. Karma's a bitch, right?
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I think you don't remember... This ain't no different than any Republican president in office.
And is he so rotten? Yes he is. The way he got in there, as rotten as he was to win, don't expect me to be sorry for his lyin ass... That option left right then and there... Not to mention defend him. Karma's a bitch, right?
But does the country deserve it?
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But does the country deserve it?
For listening to it? Yeah. Government big enough to feed you is big enough to put you in chains.
People get the government they vote for.
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I wish I could agree with that. Too much water has passed over the dam for me to believe it. Watching the Democrats over the past three years, I'm reminded of thumbscrew torture, with the Rats progressively tightening them to the point we have rioters setting churches on fire.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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Facts as I now see them:
1. Nation in crisis. Potus gathers information. Hears of a possible medical solution, in this drug.
2. Shares about this drug, with a fearful nation.
3. With the motive of discrediting, finding any fault with this Potus, media, democrats, TDSers,#nevertrumpers, discover contrary information.
4. Said contrary information is spread far and wide, with the sole motive of damaging the Potus.
5. Now that yet another mistake is found, little will be heard.
6. The truth is however, as Tim Pool points out, many thousand of lives were likely lost, in this effort to damage Trump.
7. Think about that, you morality warriors. Doctors/nurses took the drug. It helped them
8. Apparently Trump erred with the lockdown, but the intention was to save lives, based on bad models from London and Washington State.
Between 2 and 3 there was also the need to keep the nation wild eyed with fear. It is why the Democrat havens had the worst statistics, why those statistics were inflated by policy, both in terms of real deaths and claimed deaths, and why criminally negligent policies were enforced to virtually ensure the maximum impact of the Pandemic. That isn't over. The traveling roadshow over Mr. Floyd will doubtless take the numbers back up again, because it hasn't been about Mr. Floyd, not so much as providing something else destructive to the economy and the Nation.
That fear, THE FEAR (all caps) that led people to abandon their jobs and businesses to keep their families, customers, employees, and selves safe from a disease, could NOT be muted by the presence of a pharmaceutical regimen, which given early would, with reasonably high reliability, stop the disease, and do so so cheaply that even families who did not have any form of insurance could afford it.
That simple assurance that this was not a death sentence was not to be tolerated, either by the Democrat influenced Media, the Medical Industry (although doctors might be for it), those Democrat fellow travelers in bureaucratic agencies who immediately lost importance if such a thing should exist, along with the power to call for lockdowns for the public health, a means to force economic destruction.
That doesn't mention the massive investments being made into vaccines and the other, still patented drugs, which would require a clinical setting to administer (as opposed to 4 days worth of pills--20 total you could take at home).
Now that has lost traction with a wearied public. Right on cue, there is a questionable death of yet another black man in police custody, and overnight, the country erupts in flames, looting, and violence, often led or incited by paid protesters, with an absence of all the things we were told so adamantly we had to do or we'd all die of the virus.
Either the virus is not as dangerous as we've been told, to the general population anyway, although definitely deadly to those who have some medical problems, the numbers have been massaged like other notable datasets to appear more frightening (or both), or we have just been set up for a second wave of the virus.
(Face it folks, it wasn't going to make it to November otherwise).
There is no other way to justify the fertile possibilities of fraud inherent in voting by mail otherwise. At this point, despite the years of Mass Media absolute lies and bias, there is likely no other way for Democrats to occupy the White House.
Failure for them to do so means that investigations of and exposure of their diabolical perfidy in office, their abuses of power for political ends, primarily to keep members of the previous administration from being exposed and charged with the various crimes they committed, will continue. They either get back on top, or they might be looking out from prison cells.
At the very least, those of us who are paying attention can see them for what they are.
The only question I have is: "Should the lamp posts be reserved, or should they be first-caught, first served?"
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Remember that Grim Reaper guy who showed up at the beaches?
Well, he chose to leave the outfit at home while showing up at a BLM protest... and is still blaming DeSantis for the 28 COVID deaths (still less than New York's).
https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/08/daniel-uhlfelder-attorney-florida-beach-grim-reaper-coronavirus-pandemic-george-floyd/
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06-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 8.937 ↑ | 1.905 ↓ |
| United States | 6.631 ↑ | 2.661 ↓ |
| China | 16.903 ↑ | 1.060 - |
My Excel file got corrupted moving it from Win7 to Win10 machine. !@#% Microsoft. Anyway, now having to start over. So weekly, 14-day, and 21-day comparisons are temporarily unavailable.
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06-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.048 ↑ | 1.900 ↓ |
| United States | 6.706 ↑ | 2.645 ↓ |
| China | 16.903 - | 1.060 - |
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 9.
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06-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.087 ↑ | 1.908 ↑ |
| United States | 6.773 ↑ | 2.635 ↓ |
| China | 16.904 ↑ | 1.060 - |
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06-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.225 ↑ | 1.896 ↓ |
| United States | 6.842 ↑ | 2.620 ↓ |
| China | 16.906 ↑ | 1.060 - |
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06-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.286 ↑ | 1.897 ↑ |
| United States | 6.911 ↑ | 2.593 ↓ |
| China | 16.908 ↑ | 1.060 - |
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New York Times discovers: lockdowns don't really work.
It appears clear that the playbook for slowing the spread of the virus used in Western Europe and the United States may not work everywhere. Societies with informal economies simply cannot enforce lockdowns without running the risk of societal collapse.
But even those countries that have made progress after being hit hard by the first wave of the virus are by no means out of the woods. Social-distancing rules in many places — and adherence to them — remain haphazard, little match for the most basic of human desires: to connect.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-world-reopens-despite-skyrocketing-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB15fNrs (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-world-reopens-despite-skyrocketing-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB15fNrs)
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Neither the wild Lake of the Ozarks party nor the Great Clips salon where two barbers tested positive, both stories that triggered widespread alarm in the national media, transmitted the virus to anyone around them.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,404911.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,404911.0.html)
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06-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.529 ↑ | 1.863 ↓ |
| United States | 7.022 ↑ | 2.556 ↓ |
| China | 16.909 ↑ | 1.060 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 7.
Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, AZ, FL, NC.
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06-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.724 ↑ | 1.840 ↓ |
| United States | 7.033 ↑ | 2.561 ↑ |
| China | 16.910 ↑ | 1.060 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Reported US recoveries for last 24 hours was less than 10,000.
Top 5 for new case in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.
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I haven’t been out in a while. Just got back from picking up supplies. Sun shining, breezy beautiful day. Everyone’s still in masks, outside, no one within 50 yards. **nononono*
****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****
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I'd just like to see (of the new cases) participation rate in riots or demonstrations. Contact tracing that should be a real hoot!
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I'd just like to see (of the new cases) participation rate in riots or demonstrations. Contact tracing that should be a real hoot!
How bout they announce with the same urgency every new case of seasonal flu or other infectious disease?
This plandemic crap has got to stop. It’s obvious now it’s politics at its worst.
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How bout they announce with the same urgency every new case of seasonal flu or other infectious disease?
This plandemic crap has got to stop. It’s obvious now it’s politics at its worst.
Not arguing. See my early comments on this outbreak. While for those in urban Democrat-run enclaves, this appears to be particularly lethal compared to the effects in saner jurisdictions, I have to wonder how many died of "cooking the books" rather than the disease itself, and in that group I would include all given the one or two of three medications regimen designed to prove the POTUS wrong, when all they were doing, ultimately was trying to discredit a Jewish Doctor who should have been lauded for his efforts to save lives instead of pulled off of YouTube.
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Not arguing. See my early comments on this outbreak. While for those in urban Democrat-run enclaves, this appears to be particularly lethal compared to the effects in saner jurisdictions, I have to wonder how many died of "cooking the books" rather than the disease itself, and in that group I would include all given the one or two of three medications regimen designed to prove the POTUS wrong, when all they were doing, ultimately was trying to discredit a Jewish Doctor who should have been lauded for his efforts to save lives instead of pulled off of YouTube.
No, nothing directed at you, I’m just venting my frustration out loud to the gods of common sense! —as if any existed in this age of toxic politics and political correctness.
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No, nothing directed at you, I’m just venting my frustration out loud to the gods of common sense! —as if any existed in this age of toxic politics and political correctness.
:beer: No problem. We have seen this coming. It's part of keeping the panic going, because people won't panic over a disease with a quick, done at home, and cheap cure.
COVID was just a test to see how the MSM could skew the narrative, with the Global Socialists pushing the pawns.
When that was losing its edge, then the riots and such to see how far individuals can be managed and pushed.
This pipsqueak Communist rabble ain't sh*t. Only the MSM and their fellow travelers in offices in the affected areas make this possible. A government which represented the majority of the people in these areas would have quelled the insurrection after the first brick hit glass.
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I haven’t been out in a while. Just got back from picking up supplies. Sun shining, breezy beautiful day. Everyone’s still in masks, outside, no one within 50 yards. **nononono*
****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****
Th OC ended mandatory mask outdoors, but stores can require them. My Physical Therapy facility requires them.
Gyms theaters stores reopening now.
Stocks crash yesterday of fear of 2nd wave, but today message is that was in error.
This entire thing, iss uneven.
Elderly facilities have huge death counts, in certain locations. Other places little loss of life;
I want news from Italy, So. Korea, Spain, Germany.
Far from China. Independent of Faucci/Brix etc.
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Th OC ended mandatory mask outdoors, but stores can require them. My Physical Therapy facility requires them.
Gyms theaters stores reopening now.
Stocks crash yesterday of fear of 2nd wave, but today message is that was in error.
This entire thing, iss uneven.
Elderly facilities have huge death counts, in certain locations. Other places little loss of life;
I want news from Italy, So. Korea, Spain, Germany.
Far from China. Independent of Faucci/Brix etc.
It dawns on me, having seen the ruined remnant of one and missing the one closest, that a Drive-in Theater could have made a fortune during the lockdown...Wait in line six feet apart at concessions....
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I invested all in Condos.
The shit went sideways when CHINA, and yes, I mean CHINA, announced to the world there was a problem.
Six fuucking months ago.
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News reports this morning were saying, just as they predicted, new cases of Covid-19 are spiking in states that opened early, prompting governors to consider shutting or slowing down economic activity in their states—again.
Got that? New cases. Not a word about morbidity or mortality rates, just positive cases.
Don’t fall for this. It a media scam. You have to tease out the facts (the science) from the fiction (presidential politics).
Trust me, this is just a continuation of Russian collusion, Ukrainian phone call and orange man bad. All in an effort to muddy the water in the time left before November’s election.
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News reports this morning were saying, just as they predicted, new cases of Covid-19 are spiking in states that opened early, prompting governors to consider shutting or slowing down economic activity in their states—again.
Got that? New cases. Not a word about morbidity or mortality rates, just positive cases.
Don’t fall for this. It a media scam. You have to tease out the facts (the science) from the fiction (presidential politics).
Trust me, this is just a continuation of Russian collusion, Ukrainian phone call and orange man bad. All in an effort to muddy the water in the time left before November’s election.
And anyone knows you can increase the number of positive tests by casting a wider net for testing—simply because the more you test, the more that false positives are inevitable.
The county where I live has some of the most widespread testing availability anywhere. Anyone who wants one can get one, and because of state restrictions, some professions have to get tested regularly. We've had about a half-dozen cases this week. Only one showed any symptoms. The same story played out last week. Now, could they be asymptomatic carriers? Maybe. But I'm leaning more and more toward it being false positives.
The fact remains that even with the ramp-up in testing, and the much-ballyhooed increase in the southwest, cases are still going down nationwide: 23,000 new cases were reported yesterday compared to 25,000 last Friday.
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Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19
published June 11, 2020
The mitigation measures are discernable from the trends of the pandemic. Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the trends of the pandemic. This protective measure significantly reduces the number of infections. Other mitigation measures, such as social distancing implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public. Our work also highlights the necessity that sound science is essential in decision-making for the current and future public health pandemics.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117 (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117)
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Corroboration:
Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach
http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf (http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf)
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News reports this morning were saying, just as they predicted, new cases of Covid-19 are spiking in states that opened early, prompting governors to consider shutting or slowing down economic activity in their states—again.
Got that? New cases. Not a word about morbidity or mortality rates, just positive cases.
Don’t fall for this. It a media scam. You have to tease out the facts (the science) from the fiction (presidential politics).
Trust me, this is just a continuation of Russian collusion, Ukrainian phone call and orange man bad. All in an effort to muddy the water in the time left before November’s election.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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And anyone knows you can increase the number of positive tests by casting a wider net for testing—simply because the more you test, the more that false positives are inevitable.
The county where I live has some of the most widespread testing availability anywhere. Anyone who wants one can get one, and because of state restrictions, some professions have to get tested regularly. We've had about a half-dozen cases this week. Only one showed any symptoms. The same story played out last week. Now, could they be asymptomatic carriers? Maybe. But I'm leaning more and more toward it being false positives.
The fact remains that even with the ramp-up in testing, and the much-ballyhooed increase in the southwest, cases are still going down nationwide: 23,000 new cases were reported yesterday compared to 25,000 last Friday.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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News reports this morning were saying, just as they predicted, new cases of Covid-19 are spiking in states that opened early, prompting governors to consider shutting or slowing down economic activity in their states—again.
Got that? New cases. Not a word about morbidity or mortality rates, just positive cases.
Don’t fall for this. It a media scam. You have to tease out the facts (the science) from the fiction (presidential politics).
Trust me, this is just a continuation of Russian collusion, Ukrainian phone call and orange man bad. All in an effort to muddy the water in the time left before November’s election.
@aligncare
Yup,they GOTTA keep white people from organizing.
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@aligncare
Yup,they GOTTA keep white people from organizing.
Life in 2020 United States?
Left wing Antifa and BLM seize 6 city blocks of a major US city unabated.
Hairdresser in Texas is arrested for opening her shop.
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News reports this morning were saying, just as they predicted, new cases of Covid-19 are spiking in states that opened early, prompting governors to consider shutting or slowing down economic activity in their states—again.
Got that? New cases. Not a word about morbidity or mortality rates, just positive cases.
Don’t fall for this. It a media scam. You have to tease out the facts (the science) from the fiction (presidential politics).
Trust me, this is just a continuation of Russian collusion, Ukrainian phone call and orange man bad. All in an effort to muddy the water in the time left before November’s election.
One of those was a big spike brought on by reporting the results of changed testing of prison populations.
(I forget which state)
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Life in 2020 United States?
Left wing Antifa and BLM seize 6 city blocks of a major US city unabated.
Hairdresser in Texas is arrested for opening her shop.
@catfish1957
Yup,the new "normal".
Can you say "Thank you,DNC and your RINO butt-buddies!"?
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One of those was a big spike brought on by reporting the results of changed testing of prison populations.
(I forget which state)
If the media were honest, they would report everything right down the line—contextual reporting. But, since it’s plain as day the media is an appendage of the DNC, we get spun news, agenda news, biased news, fake news—take your pick. It’s all a perversion of the free presses’ responsibility under the first amendment.
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AstraZeneca agrees to make COVID-19 vaccine for Europe
LONDON — Drugmaker AstraZeneca struck a deal Saturday to supply up to 400 million doses of an experimental COVID-19 vaccine to European Union countries, the latest in a series of agreements as scientists, governments and pharmaceutical companies race to combat the virus.
AstraZeneca plans to begin delivering the vaccine to European countries by the end of this year under the agreement with the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, formed this month by France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands. All other EU member states will have the chance to take part under the same terms as the original alliance members.........
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/astrazeneca-agrees-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-for-europe (https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/astrazeneca-agrees-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-for-europe)
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AstraZeneca agrees to make COVID-19 vaccine for Europe
LONDON — Drugmaker AstraZeneca struck a deal Saturday to supply up to 400 million doses of an experimental COVID-19 vaccine to European Union countries, the latest in a series of agreements as scientists, governments and pharmaceutical companies race to combat the virus.
AstraZeneca plans to begin delivering the vaccine to European countries by the end of this year under the agreement with the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, formed this month by France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands. All other EU member states will have the chance to take part under the same terms as the original alliance members.........
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/astrazeneca-agrees-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-for-europe (https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/astrazeneca-agrees-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-for-europe)
Wow. Thar's a lot of lab rats...
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Wow. Thar's a lot of lab rats...
@Smokin Joe
Well,there are a lot of Muslim immigrants,lazing around in Europe.
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Wow. Thar's a lot of lab rats...
All this is also sounding like geographical Pharma-cartels
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All this is also sounding like geographical Pharma-cartels
Can't say I blame them for conducting trials where they are allowed to.
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Can't say I blame them for conducting trials where they are allowed to.
But the way I read it, is that AZ will be preparing the vaccine exclusively for Europe.
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But the way I read it, is that AZ will be preparing the vaccine exclusively for Europe.
Really? Cool.
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Daily Chart: comparing neutralizing titers from four COVID-19 vaccines in non-human primates
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaPAx3MXsAAMwUn?format=jpg&name=large)
https://www.biocentury.com/article/305421 (https://www.biocentury.com/article/305421)
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Daily Chart: comparing neutralizing titers from four COVID-19 vaccines in non-human primates
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaPAx3MXsAAMwUn?format=jpg&name=large)
https://www.biocentury.com/article/305421 (https://www.biocentury.com/article/305421)
Any Pharma research experts out there who can tell us what this exactly means?
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Any Pharma research experts out there who can tell us what this exactly means?
Yes, English would be a plus.
@catfish1957 ?
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The bar graph shows the level of antibodies made in response to the vaccine when given to primates. Those antibodies neutralize the virus. The Novavax approach seems to get a much higher response than the other three.
I am roughly familiar with stuff like this after taking second semester Sophomore biology in college (disease and immunity). We had New Zealand white rabbits and inoculated them weekly with serratia marcescens (harmless to the rabbit), took blood samples, and ran the titers to demonstrate the weekly increase in antibodies.
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06-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.800 ↑ | 1.842 ↑ |
| United States | 7.207 ↑ | 2.514 ↓ |
| China | 16.911 ↑ | 1.060 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, NC, AZ.
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06-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 9.981 ↑ | 1.822 ↓ |
| United States | 7.267 ↑ | 2.508 ↓ |
| China | 16.911 - | 1.060 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -4
Top 5 case rises in order CA, FL, TX, AZ, NC.
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Florida's case increase does look kind of concerning at this point. It's showing some signs of exponential increase.
I don't attribute it to "easing social distancing" because it would've happened sooner than a month and a half into it if that were the case. Something else seems to be going on there, particularly in the Miami area.
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06-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 10.228 ↑ | 1.810 ↓ |
| United States | 7.523 ↑ | 2.453 ↓ |
| China | 16.912 - | 1.061 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -161
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06-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 10.333 ↑ | 1.794 ↓ |
| United States | 7.580 ↑ | 2.446 ↓ |
| China | 16.913 ↑ | 1.062 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -244
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06-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 10.477 ↑ | 1.790 ↓ |
| United States | 7.671 ↑ | 2.430 ↓ |
| China | 16.914 ↑ | 1.062 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -173
Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.
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06-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 10.560 ↑ | 1.778 ↓ |
| United States | 7.714 ↑ | 2.431 ↑ |
| China | 16.917 ↑ | 1.062 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -157
Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.
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06-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 10.560 ↑ | 1.778 ↓ |
| United States | 7.714 ↑ | 2.431 ↑ |
| China | 16.917 ↑ | 1.062 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -157
Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.
With the rise in cases in the most populated states in the country, it's just a matter of time before the death toll rises significantly.
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Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail, but still...
Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of death from coronavirus
Anglia Ruskin University has found European populations with lower vitamin D levels have had a significantly higher death rate. Another study, carried out in Indonesia, revealed 98.9 per cent of Covid-19 patients with a vitamin D deficiency died.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html)
(This would also explain why we haven't seen the dramatic rise in deaths in sunny states even as cases have risen.)
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Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail, but still...
Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of death from coronavirus
Anglia Ruskin University has found European populations with lower vitamin D levels have had a significantly higher death rate. Another study, carried out in Indonesia, revealed 98.9 per cent of Covid-19 patients with a vitamin D deficiency died.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html)
(This would also explain why we haven't seen the dramatic rise in deaths in sunny states even as cases have risen.)
Better close the beaches agan! *****rollingeyes*****
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Questions for lockdown apologists
John Pospichal
May 23
We now have mortality data for the first few months of 2020 for many countries, and, as you might expect, there were steep increases associated with the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in each one.
Surprisingly, however, these increases did not begin before the lockdowns were imposed, but after. Moreover, in almost every case, they began immediately after. Often, mortality numbers were on a downward trend before suddenly reversing course after lockdowns were decreed. ...
Medium (https://medium.com/@JohnPospichal/questions-for-lockdown-apologists-32a9bbf2e247)
He discusses the mortality figures for several countries, finally asking:: If health authorities vastly underestimated the prevalence of the virus at the beginning of the pandemic, why did the virus nevertheless wait until lockdowns were imposed to suddenly start killing at levels which exceeded normal deaths?
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Medium (https://medium.com/@JohnPospichal/questions-for-lockdown-apologists-32a9bbf2e247)
He discusses the mortality figures for several countries, finally asking:
@mountaineer
Kinda reminds you of the Royalty and the Priests locking themselves away in their mansions and castles to protect themselves from the Black Plague that decimated Europe in the Middle Ages,doesn't it?
Kinda tempted JUST a little,to go to the city limits of some slum like DC or SF,and chant "Bring out your dead,bring out your dead".
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Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail, but still...
Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of death from coronavirus
Anglia Ruskin University has found European populations with lower vitamin D levels have had a significantly higher death rate. Another study, carried out in Indonesia, revealed 98.9 per cent of Covid-19 patients with a vitamin D deficiency died.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html)
(This would also explain why we haven't seen the dramatic rise in deaths in sunny states even as cases have risen.)
When this all started, we began taking Vit D (along with C, zinc, and elderberry). It also explains why people of color and people in nursing homes, who never get any sunlight, have more difficulties fighting the virus.
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Here are some recent numbers from Connecticut.
Numbers are way down from April, when the state was seeing 2,000 new cases each day.
Total Statewide Total Daily Fairfield Fairfield
Infec Daily Statewide Incr County Daily
Incr Deaths Increase
6/9 44,179 87 4,097 13 16,108 16
6/10 44,347 168 4,120 23 16,134 26
6/11 44,461 114 4,146 26 16,155 21
6/12 44,689 228 4,159 13 16,178 23
6/13 44,994 305 4,186 27 16,277 99
6/14 45,088 94 4,201 15 16,306 29
6/15 45,235 147 4,204 3 16,338 32
6/16 45,349 114 4,210 6 16,369 31
6/17 45,429 80 4,219 9 16,381 12
6/18 45,510 81 4,226 7 16,398 17
6/19 45,557 47 4,238 12 16,425 27
6/20 45,715 158 4,251 13
6/21 45,755 40 4,260 9 16,469 44
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New study says summer sun can kill coronavirus in 34 minutes
By Lia Eustachewich
June 23, 2020 | 9:34am The strong summer sun is capable of wiping out 90 percent or more of coronavirus in just 34 minutes, a new study has found.
Scientists suggest that “midday sunlight in most US and world cities during summer†is extremely effective in inactivating the virus that causes COVID-19, according to the study published earlier this month.
The virus, however, is most infectious from December until March — when it can live for up to a day or more “with risk of re-aerosolization and transmission in most of these cities.â€
The study, which appeared in the journal Photochemistry and Photobiology, was authored by Jose-Luis Sagripanti and David Lytle — scientists who are retired from the US Army and Food and Drug Administration, respectively. ...
More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/new-study-says-summer-sun-can-kill-coronavirus-in-34-minutes/)
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New study says summer sun can kill coronavirus in 34 minutes
By Lia Eustachewich
June 23, 2020 | 9:34am More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/new-study-says-summer-sun-can-kill-coronavirus-in-34-minutes/)
Trump reported this two months ago.
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Trump reported this two months ago.
Makes sense, since a lot of electronic devices made for disinfection use UV for source. Nothing better than a maximum sun angle to do the same.
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(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/06/JF-US-REOPENING-NEW-CASES-PER-STATE-MAP-june-24-FINAL.jpg?w=620)
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Wait, +50% or more? What the heck does that mean?
Talk about hysteria!
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Wait, +50% or more? What the heck does that mean?
Talk about hysteria!
That's the plan. (50% of what?)
ND went from 7 new cases on 6/22 to 42 new cases on 6/23....O. M. Golly!!! (I got in a fracas over that before), but anyway, that's a SIX FOLD increase!!!
Lots of things can be done to induce panic.
(Currently 240 active cases in the State, 27 currently in hospital, under 100 deaths, 90.5% recovered, about 1/7 of the state's population tested.)
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So Cuomo signed an order that people traveling to NY from AZ have to do the 14 day quarantine. That screwed a friend of mine who has tickets to NYC in a few days. I hope she can get her ticket refunded, but I'll bet not.
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So Cuomo signed an order that people traveling to NY from AZ have to do the 14 day quarantine. That screwed a friend of mine who has tickets to NYC in a few days. I hope she can get her ticket refunded, but I'll bet not.
Cuomo just can’t let go of this juicy, national, medical hoax.
I’ve said this all along, democrat politicians never panicked about the hundreds of thousands of yearly flu cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Never before. Which says what? It says Wuhan virus was a golden opportunity that they jumped on and played like a fiddle for the purpose of maligning Trump and interfering in the November election.
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Cuomo just can’t let go of this juicy, national, medical hoax.
I’ve said this all along, democrat politicians never panicked about the hundreds of thousands of yearly flu cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Never before. Which says what? It says Wuhan virus was a golden opportunity that they jumped on and played like a fiddle for the purpose of maligning Trump and interfering in the November election.
Well, it's had a lot of collateral damage on top of it.
Living life not being able to look forward to something because, inevitably, the government will take it away drains on a person.
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Well, it's had a lot of collateral damage on top of it.
Living life not being able to look forward to something because, inevitably, the government will take it away drains on a person.
You are not alone! I was just up at Lake Mead, and spent the day with my BIL and his wife and Dotter. He was previously fine with the level of regulation in California, but he was spitting pissed about the COVID Lockdown. They're all drained too.
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Cuomo just can’t let go of this juicy, national, medical hoax.
I’ve said this all along, democrat politicians never panicked about the hundreds of thousands of yearly flu cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Never before. Which says what? It says Wuhan virus was a golden opportunity that they jumped on and played like a fiddle for the purpose of maligning Trump and interfering in the November election.
It's their Hail Mary play. If all else fails, they need the opportunity to stuff the ballot boxes that vote by mail would provide. They're even priming people with bogus polls saying Biden has a 10 point lead so the numbers won't seem crazy.
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06-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.016 ↑ | 1.749 ↓ |
| United States | 8.019 ↑ | 2.404 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -64
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 11. US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio surpasses 8.
China numbers will no longer be included in these posts.
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06-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.081 ↑ | 1.750 ↑ |
| United States | 8.180 ↑ | 2.381 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -62
US Recoveries pass the 1 million mark. But still woefully underreported.
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06-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.227 ↑ | 1.737 ↓ |
| United States | 8.264 ↑ | 2.376 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +14
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 901,659
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 53.1 %
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06-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.409 ↑ | 1.722 ↓ |
| United States | 8.373 ↑ | 2.366 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -1
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 901,515
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 53.9 %
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, AZ, and GA.
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It's their Hail Mary play. If all else fails, they need the opportunity to stuff the ballot boxes that vote by mail would provide. They're even priming people with bogus polls saying Biden has a 10 point lead so the numbers won't seem crazy.
@Smokin Joe
Am I the only one that thinks it's hilarious that the Dims are bragging (falsely,IMHO) about Biden's poll numbers going up once he stopped campaigning?
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@Smokin Joe
Am I the only one that thinks it's hilarious that the Dims are bragging (falsely,IMHO) about Biden's poll numbers going up once he stopped campaigning?
It's only hilarious if it's true! (well, the thought is funny, too....)
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I decided to do a revisit to the Kinsa thermometer "HealthWeather" site that tracks flu-like symptoms to see if any places have seen an appreciable uptick.
According to them, flu-like illnesses have remained near rock bottom, but pretty much everywhere, there was a brief uptick two weeks ago—one that is showing up in the increased cases, but still below average, and it disappeared the next week. However, we're seeing another uptick in a lot of places now, some places more than others.
Ironically, the highest in the nation appears to be in my county—but there is only a meager increase in cases and almost all are tied to employees of two nursing homes, none of whom have had any symptoms. So that may not be coronavirus... and it's a sign that most of the new cases are not showing any substantial symptoms.
https://www.healthweather.us/map?date=2020-06-25&mode=Observed (https://www.healthweather.us/map?date=2020-06-25&mode=Observed)
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I decided to do a revisit to the Kinsa thermometer "HealthWeather" site that tracks flu-like symptoms to see if any places have seen an appreciable uptick.
According to them, flu-like illnesses have remained near rock bottom, but pretty much everywhere, there was a brief uptick two weeks ago—one that is showing up in the increased cases, but still below average, and it disappeared the next week. However, we're seeing another uptick in a lot of places now, some places more than others.
Ironically, the highest in the nation appears to be in my county—but there is only a meager increase in cases and almost all are tied to employees of two nursing homes, none of whom have had any symptoms. So that may not be coronavirus... and it's a sign that most of the new cases are not showing any substantial symptoms.
https://www.healthweather.us/map?date=2020-06-25&mode=Observed (https://www.healthweather.us/map?date=2020-06-25&mode=Observed)
@jmyrlefuller
Notice how someone can test positive,show no symptoms,and is STILL lumped in with "THE EPIDEMIC WHAT GONNA KILLS US ALL!"?
Can anyone recall ANY other flu season where the media has been working 24/7 to create panic?
What would be the situation today if the NHS and the media were to publish the percentage of people who tested positive with those who die,broken down by age and general health condition?
This is entirely a manufactured crisis for the purpose of keeping Biden off the campaign trail,and to try to get mail-in voting. In short,the Dims are trying to steal the nation as well as the election.
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@sneakypete I understand that if we refuse to wear a mask, it's going to kill us all. An Extinction Level Event. "Wear the mask, the life you save may be somebody else's!"
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@sneakypete I understand that if we refuse to wear a mask, it's going to kill us all. An Extinction Level Event. "Wear the mask, the life you save may be somebody else's!"
"Mask on your face, or blood on your hands." As I posted in the propaganda thread.
In high-risk states, that's a good idea. Maybe not so much elsewhere, but I wouldn't want to be in a crowded city without one... and certainly not in a crowded bar!
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@sneakypete I understand that if we refuse to wear a mask, it's going to kill us all. An Extinction Level Event. "Wear the mask, the life you save may be somebody else's!"
@Cyber Liberty
True dat! WEEZA ALL GONNA DIE! (sooner or later)
The latest insanity I have heard of that no one in the media seems to see is the Governor of NC has now stated it will be ILLEGAL to not wear a mask indoors OR outdoors,effective at 5 PM today.
Police are authorized to make arrests for those caught not wearing a mask,with exceptions for joggers and people with medical reasons such as COPD. I am assuming of course that if you have COPD or some other respiratory problem you will have to carry a noterized note from your doctor to avoid arrest.
I need somebody to puzzle me this. How in HELL are you supposed to be able to eat and drink in a restaurant or bar if you are wearing a freaking mask? I asked this of one Dim woman I know who had said she thought it was a good idea,and she smiled and informed ignurt old me,"You take the mask off to eat or drink,silly!"
She got mad and stormed off after I asked her,"If that is acceptable,then WTF were you wearing the bleeping mask to start with?"
And people like her are allowed to vote,and they vote dim and vote often.
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"Mask on your face, or blood on your hands." As I posted in the propaganda thread.
Yes, you did. That inspired my post. :shrug:
I think hyperbole doesn't help anybody.
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Yes, you did. That inspired my post. :shrug:
I think hyperbole doesn't help anybody.
@Cyber Liberty
I disagree. No Dim would ever get elected without it.
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@Cyber Liberty
I disagree. No Dim would ever get elected without it.
I meant "decent folk."
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@Cyber Liberty
True dat! WEEZA ALL GONNA DIE! (sooner or later)
The latest insanity I have heard of that no one in the media seems to see is the Governor of NC has now stated it will be ILLEGAL to not wear a mask indoors OR outdoors,effective at 5 PM today.
Police are authorized to make arrests for those caught not wearing a mask,with exceptions for joggers and people with medical reasons such as COPD. I am assuming of course that if you have COPD or some other respiratory problem you will have to carry a noterized note from your doctor to avoid arrest.
I need somebody to puzzle me this. How in HELL are you supposed to be able to eat and drink in a restaurant or bar if you are wearing a freaking mask? I asked this of one Dim woman I know who had said she thought it was a good idea,and she smiled and informed ignurt old me,"You take the mask off to eat or drink,silly!"
She got mad and stormed off after I asked her,"If that is acceptable,then WTF were you wearing the bleeping mask to start with?"
And people like her are allowed to vote,and they vote dim and vote often.
I can't tell you how many I have seen, of those with masks on, who wear them a a chin wrap or have their noses hanging out the top. I just don't bother.
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Two days ago, total US deaths were reported to be 124,281. But now that number is being reported at 126,131. Almost 2,000 deaths mysteriously added after the fact.
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Two days ago, total US deaths were reported to be 124,281. But now that number is being reported at 126,131. Almost 2,000 deaths mysteriously added after the fact.
That's a lot of car crashes. Do you thing Bubba Wallace's NASCAR crash figures in?
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06-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.539 ↑ | 1.713 ↓ |
| United States | 8.300 ↓ | 2.380 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +1752, (which is more people than actually died)
US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 910,628
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 53.6 %
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, AZ, and GA.
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That's a lot of car crashes. Do you thing Bubba Wallace's NASCAR crash figures in?
In other news, Big Brother has increased the monthly chocolate ration to 20 g.
(He who controls the past controls the future)
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I can't tell you how many I have seen, of those with masks on, who wear them a a chin wrap or have their noses hanging out the top. I just don't bother.
Yeah... Other than the Costco, where I have to go this time... They're fine with a bandana, but you must wear something. Been holding out because it rubs me wrong. But by now I will have to spend six or seven hundred just to get even. Ad that would be 25% more elsewhere.
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Two days ago, total US deaths were reported to be 124,281. But now that number is being reported at 126,131. Almost 2,000 deaths mysteriously added after the fact.
TN or Nashville added 800 or so 'maybes' all at once in the last few days...
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In other news, Big Brother has increased the monthly chocolate ration to 20 g.
(He who controls the past controls the future)
Yeah, and even Winston said the Victory Chocolate was for shit.
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TN or Nashville added 800 or so 'maybes' all at once in the last few days...
Total Tennessee deaths = 577
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That's a lot of car crashes. Do you thing Bubba Wallace's NASCAR crash figures in?
Maybe they're just adding in the stiffs from all the peaceful protests...
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Total Tennessee deaths = 577
Dunno... Was just talking with my bro about it and he is mad as a wet hen.
I will try to remember to go back through my txts and find it...
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HOW MANY COVID DEATHS ARE THERE, REALLY? (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/how-many-covid-deaths-are-there-really.php)
Don't miss this little gem in the article:
It means that if, technically, even if you died of a clear alternate cause but you had COVID at the same time it’s still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone that’s listed as a COVID death doesn’t mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of death.
The CDC has a huge institutional interest in maximizing the COVID problem, but it admits that the fatality numbers are misleading:
The Centers for Disease Control admits as much in its June 24 update of the data:
“For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.â€
You read that right: not 97%, 7%.
“For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death.â€
Why is this important? Because in all likelihood, the actual Wuhan fatality rate is not much different from a relatively virulent seasonal flu. Every year, the seasonal flu bug kills tens of thousands of Americans. Just two years ago, the CDC says it killed 62,000–and that was without a Medicare spiff or other pressures to build up the numbers. The reality is, I think, that in response to the COVID-19 epidemic, we devastated our economy–which means that we devastated tens or hundreds of millions of lives–needlessly.
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HOW MANY COVID DEATHS ARE THERE, REALLY? (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/how-many-covid-deaths-are-there-really.php)
Don't miss this little gem in the article:
The CDC has a huge institutional interest in maximizing the COVID problem, but it admits that the fatality numbers are misleading:
The Centers for Disease Control admits as much in its June 24 update of the data:
“For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.â€
You read that right: not 97%, 7%.
“For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death.â€
Why is this important? Because in all likelihood, the actual Wuhan fatality rate is not much different from a relatively virulent seasonal flu. Every year, the seasonal flu bug kills tens of thousands of Americans. Just two years ago, the CDC says it killed 62,000–and that was without a Medicare spiff or other pressures to build up the numbers. The reality is, I think, that in response to the COVID-19 epidemic, we devastated our economy–which means that we devastated tens or hundreds of millions of lives–needlessly.
I am seeing and hearing more and more evidence that the true mortality rate of C-19 is likely around 1%. Maybe just only about double seasonal flu.
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HOW MANY COVID DEATHS ARE THERE, REALLY? (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/how-many-covid-deaths-are-there-really.php)
Don't miss this little gem in the article:
The CDC has a huge institutional interest in maximizing the COVID problem, but it admits that the fatality numbers are misleading:
The Centers for Disease Control admits as much in its June 24 update of the data:
“For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.â€
You read that right: not 97%, 7%.
“For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death.â€
Why is this important? Because in all likelihood, the actual Wuhan fatality rate is not much different from a relatively virulent seasonal flu. Every year, the seasonal flu bug kills tens of thousands of Americans. Just two years ago, the CDC says it killed 62,000–and that was without a Medicare spiff or other pressures to build up the numbers. The reality is, I think, that in response to the COVID-19 epidemic, we devastated our economy–which means that we devastated tens or hundreds of millions of lives–needlessly.
So, once again, the American people have been lied to.... shocked...
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I am seeing and hearing more and more evidence that the true mortality rate of C-19 is likely around 1%. Maybe just only about double seasonal flu.
I find it VERY telling that the media narrative has now seamlessly moved from deaths to cases. And the sheep are still falling right in line.
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HOW MANY COVID DEATHS ARE THERE, REALLY? (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/how-many-covid-deaths-are-there-really.php)
Don't miss this little gem in the article:
The CDC has a huge institutional interest in maximizing the COVID problem, but it admits that the fatality numbers are misleading:
The Centers for Disease Control admits as much in its June 24 update of the data:
“For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.â€
You read that right: not 97%, 7%.
“For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death.â€
Why is this important? Because in all likelihood, the actual Wuhan fatality rate is not much different from a relatively virulent seasonal flu. Every year, the seasonal flu bug kills tens of thousands of Americans. Just two years ago, the CDC says it killed 62,000–and that was without a Medicare spiff or other pressures to build up the numbers. The reality is, I think, that in response to the COVID-19 epidemic, we devastated our economy–which means that we devastated tens or hundreds of millions of lives–needlessly.
@Bigun
No true. The SOLE reason for all the panic is the DNC needed to keep Biden off the campaign trail in order to have any hope at all of a Dim win in 2020. IMNSHO,even the Dims don't want him,and he is just the least scary candidate they had to push forward. I still believe they are going to demand and get mail in ballots so they can steal the election,or have the election postponed and demand Congress take over control of the government because Trumps time will have expired. When/if that happens,they will just name Hillary as our new President,and America will never again have an open election.
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I find it VERY telling that the media narrative has now seamlessly moved from deaths to cases. And the sheep are still falling right in line.
A distinction should be made between SARS-2 and Covid-19. The two are not the same. SARS-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is a medical condition caused by the virus. It is similar to the distinction between HIV and AIDS. Just because someone tests positive for SARS-2, it does not mean that they will experience Covid-19. They may remain asymptomatic. Yet they are still counted as a 'Covid-19 case' even though they don't have Covid-19.
The narrative gets compounded at the other end as well. Because they remain asymptomatic, they are never counted as 'recovered' since they never got sick. So you have around a million people out there who tested positive, never got sick enough to notice, but are still listed as active Covid cases. On top of that, there are probably ten times that number who became infected (but not infectious), never developed symptoms, and never got tested, but are now immune.
This thing has been a scam since Day One, and the press continues to prop up this charade, counting the days until the November election. And now besides exaggerating Covid deaths as described above, they are now flat out inflating previously reported national death numbers after the fact with zero accounting of state totals.
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A distinction should be made between SARS-2 and Covid-19. The two are not the same. SARS-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is a medical condition caused by the virus. It is similar to the distinction between HIV and AIDS. Just because someone tests positive for SARS-2, it does not mean that they will experience Covid-19. They may remain asymptomatic. Yet they are still counted as a 'Covid-19 case' even though they don't have Covid-19.
The narrative gets compounded at the other end as well. Because they remain asymptomatic, they are never counted as 'recovered' since they never got sick. So you have around a million people out there who tested positive, never got sick enough to notice, but are still listed as active Covid cases. On top of that, there are probably ten times that number who became infected (but not infectious), never developed symptoms, and never got tested, but are now immune.
This thing has been a scam since Day One, and the press continues to prop up this charade, counting the days until the November election. And now besides exaggerating Covid deaths as described above, they are now flat out inflating previously reported national death numbers after the fact with zero accounting of state totals.
:yowsa: @Hoodat
When the interests (get rid of Trump at any cost) of the CHICOMS and Democrats align LOOK OUT!
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A distinction should be made between SARS-2 and Covid-19. The two are not the same. SARS-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is a medical condition caused by the virus. It is similar to the distinction between HIV and AIDS. Just because someone tests positive for SARS-2, it does not mean that they will experience Covid-19. They may remain asymptomatic. Yet they are still counted as a 'Covid-19 case' even though they don't have Covid-19.
@Hoodat
Thanks! I had forgotten that.
This thing has been a scam since Day One, and the press continues to prop up this charade, counting the days until the November election. And now besides exaggerating Covid deaths as described above, they are now flat out inflating previously reported national death numbers after the fact with zero accounting of state totals.
No surprise when you realize the ENTIRE national media,as well as the medial outlets of all major cities are owned and controlled by Globalist Corporations.
When you stop and consider how many lawyers will be fixing flat tires and washing cars for a living if the globalists are ever successful at taking over,and how many of these goobers have jobs SOLELY because of local,state,federal,and international laws,it's really shocking why ANY of them would support it.
Just who the bleep do they think they are going to work for or defend in a "brave new world" where the prosecution is also the defense?
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HOW MANY COVID DEATHS ARE THERE, REALLY? (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/how-many-covid-deaths-are-there-really.php)
Don't miss this little gem in the article:
The CDC has a huge institutional interest in maximizing the COVID problem, but it admits that the fatality numbers are misleading:
The Centers for Disease Control admits as much in its June 24 update of the data:
“For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.â€
You read that right: not 97%, 7%.
“For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death.â€
Why is this important? Because in all likelihood, the actual Wuhan fatality rate is not much different from a relatively virulent seasonal flu. Every year, the seasonal flu bug kills tens of thousands of Americans. Just two years ago, the CDC says it killed 62,000–and that was without a Medicare spiff or other pressures to build up the numbers. The reality is, I think, that in response to the COVID-19 epidemic, we devastated our economy–which means that we devastated tens or hundreds of millions of lives–needlessly.
NDDOH breaks it down like this:
Deaths Due to COVID-19
Official number of individuals who died from COVID-19 as stated on the official death record. There will be a delay - by state law, a death record must be filed within 10 days of the date of death. 68
Deaths Where COVID-19 is Not the Primary Cause (Deaths that list something other than COVID-19 as the official cause of death.) 8
Pending Death Records (The number of deaths where an official death record has not been filed. Per state law, this can take up to 10 days from the date of death.) 2
Total number of individuals who tested positive and died from any cause while infected with COVID-19. 78
Deaths of Individuals Presumed Positive
(Deaths of individuals where COVID-19 was listed as the cause of death on the official death record, but there was not a positive test result. These individuals are presumed positive by the health care provider based on symptoms and/or exposure.) 9
The official number of COVID-19 deaths in the State is listed as 78. While this may not include the 'presumptive' deaths, it does include those who died with COVID-19, and not necessarily of COVID-19
In 2017, the Flu killed 147 in ND.
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(https://i.ibb.co/tQ5DLvV/MOPP4.jpg)
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Posted on another thread. This is about where I am with this....
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106006725_10217320665273562_6526062632978644321_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=kq4xhP-5efcAX9XhLOY&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=c101f88d3c44a0cff5eb52f5e306d7d9&oe=5F1E98B9)
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06-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.629 ↑ | 1.714 ↑ |
| United States | 8.373 ↑ | 2.389 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
New deaths listed: +663. But today's death total is 860 higher than yesterday. Almost 200 death added without any accounting.
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06-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.741 ↑ | 1.710 ↓ |
| United States | 8.439 ↑ | 2.401 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, AZ, and GA.
Increase that immunity pool, people!
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@Bigun
No true. The SOLE reason for all the panic is the DNC needed to keep Biden off the campaign trail in order to have any hope at all of a Dim win in 2020. IMNSHO,even the Dims don't want him,and he is just the least scary candidate they had to push forward. I still believe they are going to demand and get mail in ballots so they can steal the election,or have the election postponed and demand Congress take over control of the government because Trumps time will have expired. When/if that happens,they will just name Hillary as our new President,and America will never again have an open election.
Biden was involved with Burisma and has deep financial ties with China. Trump was close to revealing that corruption and in order to protect Biden, his old boss and all their cronies, they had to protect Sloe Joe. All the other candidates were made to step down even though some had more delegates than Biden to allow him to duck and cover.
Biden (as it's been mentioned by others in here as well) is merely a placeholder, but IMHO it sure isn't going to be Hillary to replace him; she no longer has the popularity and the money machine behind her and her health isn't going to allow here to step up to the plate.
There are others who would be much more attractive to the DEM electorate and much farther to the left and would be more popular with the millenial; Michelle Obama, Beto O'Rourke, Eric Holder, Valerie Jaret, ....Joe's time is limited.
I'm still not so sure that we're even going to see another election.
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22 pH...lmao. If a substance had that level of pH, it'd burn a hole to China. :silly:
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Biden was involved with Burisma and has deep financial ties with China. Trump was close to revealing that corruption and in order to protect Biden, his old boss and all their cronies, they had to protect Sloe Joe. All the other candidates were made to step down even though some had more delegates than Biden to allow him to duck and cover.
Biden (as it's been mentioned by others in here as well) is merely a placeholder, but IMHO it sure isn't going to be Hillary to replace him; she no longer has the popularity and the money machine behind her and her health isn't going to allow here to step up to the plate.
There are others who would be much more attractive to the DEM electorate and much farther to the left and would be more popular with the millenial; Michelle Obama, Beto O'Rourke, Eric Holder, Valerie Jaret, ....Joe's time is limited.
I'm still not so sure that we're even going to see another election.
@libertybele
I am ALMOST to the point I am hoping for a revolution in the next several months,and I understand how dangerous that is to innocent people,as well as the survival of our nation.
I have ZERO doubt that if a revolution starts,the first thing the DNC will do is ask the UN for peackeeping troops to help them subdue the "rebels".
Yes,even as stupid as the Dim leadership is,the people who pull their strings are not stupid,just greedy and power mad. They understand the US military is almost certainly going to refuse to open fire on US citizens,so they are going to ask for outside help early.
I am absolutely certain the Chinese will be more than happy to lend them a couple of million infantry and armor troops. After all,they have them to spare,and it's all in the name of "brotherhood",right?
And,THOSE are boys that KNOW how to take orders!
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22 pH...lmao. If a substance had that level of pH, it burn a hole to China. :silly:
That's gotta be some scale we're unfamiliar with. :shrug:
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That's gotta be some scale we're unfamiliar with. :shrug:
Yeah! Great catch! I think it must be a typo but Avocados are outside the ranges as well so I don't know.
That's what I get for posting something without proofreading it first
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That's gotta be some scale we're unfamiliar with. :shrug:
Well...my BS meter is off the scale.
Hope that helps.
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Well...my BS meter is off the scale.
Hope that helps.
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@libertybele
I am ALMOST to the point I am hoping for a revolution in the next several months,and I understand how dangerous that is to innocent people,as well as the survival of our nation.
I have ZERO doubt that if a revolution starts,the first thing the DNC will do is ask the UN for peackeeping troops to help them subdue the "rebels".
Yes,even as stupid as the Dim leadership is,the people who pull their strings are not stupid,just greedy and power mad. They understand the US military is almost certainly going to refuse to open fire on US citizens,so they are going to ask for outside help early.
I am absolutely certain the Chinese will be more than happy to lend them a couple of million infantry and armor troops. After all,they have them to spare,and it's all in the name of "brotherhood",right?
And,THOSE are boys that KNOW how to take orders!
Have no doubt, that the U.N. is standing by already. I have little doubt that the rumors long ago that U.N. troops are already stationed throughout our country is true. They've been waiting in the wings for fall of our country. Bammy wanted U.N. hubs in place -- whether or not that wish was carried out, I don't know.
Not quite understanding your reasoning here -- IF the U.N. is already in place and other military "units" or subversive armies are already in place (and I think that they are) --- don't count on the U.S. military (and please correct me if I am wrong here) not being out numbered. The idea that generals wouldn't listen to Trump has already been floated as to why he's not using the Insurrection Act and that would become a huge problem.
If we see a revolution I'm not so sure we're going to win. The only encouragement is that "We the People" have more to lose than anyone else.
Secondly, ask yourself what would probably take place prior to a revolution? Gun confiscation and incarceration for those that don't comply. That will absolutely take place should we actually see an election and Biden wins.
Still think we stand a chance?? Those who live in remote areas may survive, the rest of us -- not a chance. Yes people have been purchasing guns and ammo for years -- but confiscation is going to put a huge dent in firepower and resistance. There are some that I would imagine have guns hidden and buried; but that number would not be enough.
Just a note; I saw a protester with a sign "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". I haven't heard that since the Ron Paul days. He did mention that it may take a Revolution to get our country back.
I'd rather see a peaceful resolution to all of this; but then, I'm a realist and that doesn't seem like a reality.
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The US military, and others, would respond to a foreign invasion....
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Have no doubt, that the U.N. is standing by already. I have little doubt that the rumors long ago that U.N. troops are already stationed throughout our country is true. They've been waiting in the wings for fall of our country. Bammy wanted U.N. hubs in place -- whether or not that wish was carried out, I don't know.
@libertybele
bele,there has ALWAYS been foreign troops training in our country. Hell,there were foreign troops that came to America to be in The Continental Army under Washington even before America existed as a nation.
They come here because they are our allies in NATO,and they MUST understand how we operate and our equipment in case we are ever joined as allies in a real war.
Our soldiers go to their nations to train for the same reasons. It not only saves lives,it makes victory more certain.
There is NOTHING sinister about it,and there are NO foreign units with bases in America.
Not quite understanding your reasoning here -- IF the U.N. is already in place and other military "units" or subversive armies are already in place (and I think that they are) ---
They are not.
don't count on the U.S. military (and please correct me if I am wrong here) not being out numbered.
Outnumbered doesn't mean as much as you think it means. Numbers are only one factor in a battle,and not even the most important one.
The idea that generals wouldn't listen to Trump has already been floated as to why he's not using the Insurrection Act and that would become a huge problem.
I personally THINK,with ZERO inside information,that they will just refuse to allow the military to get involved in a civilian uprising.
US Service members,ALL of them regardless of branch of service or rank,take an oath on entering service to obey the US Constitution,NOT any General or President. I would like to think most take their oaths seriously.
If we see a revolution I'm not so sure we're going to win. The only encouragement is that "We the People" have more to lose than anyone else.
Now,if a President were to invite in the Chinese Army to help keep American citizens under control,I strongly suspect the US Military would suddenly decide to take part in the festivities,and not on the side of the President.
Secondly, ask yourself what would probably take place prior to a revolution? Gun confiscation and incarceration for those that don't comply. That will absolutely take place should we actually see an election and Biden wins.
*I* think THAT is what would kick off the revolution.
Still think we stand a chance??
Irrelevant. You don't fight because you are going to win. You fight because you have no other rational choice. If you DON'T fight,you will lose without question,and probably lose your life anyhow,meaning you really have nothing to lose.
Those who live in remote areas may survive, the rest of us -- not a chance. Yes people have been purchasing guns and ammo for years -- but confiscation is going to put a huge dent in firepower and resistance. There are some that I would imagine have guns hidden and buried; but that number would not be enough.
Those people are all posers. Those guns will never be dug up. Otherwise they would have never been buried.
What those people are doing is trying to apply salve to their egos,because they KNOW deep down in their hearts that they will never fight,regardless of the circumstances.
When you need a gun,you need a gun NOW,not next weekend when you have time to drive into the woods to dig them up.
I'd rather see a peaceful resolution to all of this; but then, I'm a realist and that doesn't seem like a reality.
Only a certified fool would want to see any of this come true.
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22 pH...lmao. If a substance had that level of pH, it'd burn a hole to China. :silly:
Yeah, considering the avocado was off scale at 15.6. 14 is the max.
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Yeah, considering the avocado was off scale at 15.6. 14 is the max.
It has Citrus reading a Basic Ph. Gonna have to tease my good buddy @Bigun somemo.
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Secondly, ask yourself what would probably take place prior to a revolution? Gun confiscation and incarceration for those that don't comply. That will absolutely take place should we actually see an election and Biden wins.
Still think we stand a chance?? Those who live in remote areas may survive, the rest of us -- not a chance. Yes people have been purchasing guns and ammo for years -- but confiscation is going to put a huge dent in firepower and resistance. There are some that I would imagine have guns hidden and buried; but that number would not be enough.
LOL! no. Absolutely not. Confiscation might work in the cities and some suburbs... But will the Rockies disarm? Not a single chance in hell. Nowhere. not even Colorado. The Plains states might get a little wobbly but likely not. The Desert SW? Not a chance in hell. Nope. Texas? Are you kidding me? Never going to happen. California too - The Sierras are just like up here. The South? Aw hell no. Southern Illinois and Indiana? No way. Michigan? LOL! Yoopers? Nah. Rural Ohio and Penn? Nope they're basically Southern in thinking...
So that leaves the Left coast and the Northeast. And even there, I think they'd have a fight.
They can pass any damn law they want - That don't mean folks, or even states and counties, will obey it. And I guarantee, anywhere I have been in the Redneck Nation, Such a law will not only be ignored, but violently disobeyed.
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LOL! no. Absolutely not. Confiscation might work in the cities and some suburbs... But will the Rockies disarm? Not a single chance in hell. Nowhere. not even Colorado. The Plains states might get a little wobbly but likely not. The Desert SW? Not a chance in hell. Nope. Texas? Are you kidding me? Never going to happen. California too - The Sierras are just like up here. The South? Aw hell no. Southern Illinois and Indiana? No way. Michigan? LOL! Yoopers? Nah. Rural Ohio and Penn? Nope they're basically Southern in thinking...
So that leaves the Left coast and the Northeast. And even there, I think they'd have a fight.
They can pass any damn law they want - That don't mean folks, or even states and counties, will obey it. And I guarantee, anywhere I have been in the Redneck Nation, Such a law will not only be ignored, but violently disobeyed.
Not at all what I was saying -- of course people are not going to willingly give up their weapons -- but I do forsee unlawful and unannounced confiscation and incarceration; especially with the assistance of the UN military.
I'd love to wake up tomorrow morning to realize that BLM/Antifa are no threat, there's no chance of our Republic falling and everything is just dandy. That's not reality.
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Those people are all posers. Those guns will never be dug up. Otherwise they would have never been buried.
What those people are doing is trying to apply salve to their egos,because they KNOW deep down in their hearts that they will never fight,regardless of the circumstances.
When you need a gun,you need a gun NOW,not next weekend when you have time to drive into the woods to dig them up.
That ain't true @sneakypete . Two is one, and one is none. My armory as it were, is replicated and split into three locations. That ain't so much a prepper thing, as it is having emergency goods stashed were I am likely to need them if I get in trouble. Those same locales have food (my long-term freeze dried split into three), clothing, and serious woods gear.
I fell into a creek in near winter conditions, had to ditch my gear to live... Came out the other side with nothing but my clothes (no coat) and a folding knife, and what little was in my pocket. I been taught the hard, hard way not to put all my eggs in one basket.
As for needing it NOW, of course I have enough on hand to cover that. But unlike some, I have severely limited caliber and kind to what I truly need, and concentrated more on duplication and ammunition. So if I am compromised in some way, I still have options.
And all that not having a damn thing to do with insurrection... Wasn't a military thought in my mind.
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Not at all what I was saying -- of course people are not going to willingly give up their weapons -- but I do forsee unlawful and unannounced confiscation and incarceration; especially with the assistance of the UN military.
Never EVER going to work. They'd maybe have an effect the first time, but never again.
I'd love to wake up tomorrow morning to realize that BLM/Antifa are no threat, there's no chance of our Republic falling and everything is just dandy. That's not reality.
They are not a threat. They've had their asses handed to them outside of the cities that sanction them.
The difference between here and every other place that communism has been tried, is them guns, and a damn right will to use them. They will PLAY HELL on that. not even a little bit worried about it.
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That ain't true @sneakypete . Two is one, and one is none. My armory as it were, is replicated and split into three locations. That ain't so much a prepper thing, as it is having emergency goods stashed were I am likely to need them if I get in trouble. Those same locales have food (my long-term freeze dried split into three), clothing, and serious woods gear.
I fell into a creek in near winter conditions, had to ditch my gear to live... Came out the other side with nothing but my clothes (no coat) and a folding knife, and what little was in my pocket. I been taught the hard, hard way not to put all my eggs in one basket.
As for needing it NOW, of course I have enough on hand to cover that. But unlike some, I have severely limited caliber and kind to what I truly need, and concentrated more on duplication and ammunition. So if I am compromised in some way, I still have options.
And all that not having a damn thing to do with insurrection... Wasn't a military thought in my mind.
@roamer_1 in that respect, I'd say that you are way more prepared than most. I'd say not many are as fortunate to be able to prepare in multiple locations.
@sneakypete logic tells me that the purpose of burying/hiding weapons is that the gov't would seize what they can find and you'd still have some weapons that are hidden giving you the ability to defend yourself down the road.
Those that live completely off the grid will fare the best. About 15 years ago I met a couple who had 3 children and lived completely off the grid, none of them had a social security card/number or even a birth certificate. I know of a couple of people who left the city to live off the grid. They should all do quite nicely.
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Never EVER going to work. They'd maybe have an effect the first time, but never again.
They are not a threat. They've had their asses handed to them outside of the cities that sanction them.
The difference between here and every other place that communism has been tried, is them guns, and a damn right will to use them. They will PLAY HELL on that. not even a little bit worried about it.
I wish I could say the same...worry is one of my biggest downfalls.
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@roamer_1 in that respect, I'd say that you are way more prepared than most. I'd say not many are as fortunate to be able to prepare in multiple locations.
I am in no wise alone in that @libertybele . Most of the folks I know have stuff stashed out in the woods. It's just what you do. And folks tend to favor certain places, as I do too... So you put a little extra there in case you need it sometime.
Now, If I am in the Bitterroots , it is less useful - That's where most of the hillbillies are, and I am not far from aid, anywhere up in there... But that's where my cabin is going to be, and that same place is where one of my stashes is. The other is on the back way out of the Bob Marshal, down by Seeley Lake.. If I am in the Great Bear or the Bob (where I would be most likely to spend my time), all I have to do is go over the ridge into the Swan,and I am a couple days walk from that stash. So If I get caught out, west or east of the valley, I have options. The other third is right here, and largely goes with me if I head out to the woods, so I can be mobile, supplied and gone in an hour.
@sneakypete logic tells me that the purpose of burying/hiding weapons is that the gov't would seize what they can find and you'd still have some weapons that are hidden giving you the ability to defend yourself down the road.
Well he ain't wrong in that... But in my case, that's just a feature. That's not the main purpose.
Those that live completely off the grid will fare the best. About 15 years ago I met a couple who had 3 children and lived completely off the grid, none of them had a social security card/number or even a birth certificate. I know of a couple of people who left the city to live off the grid. They should all do quite nicely.
That's likely right... The hillbillies will be there when it is done. They always are. Being expert, living in a rugged land, is a remarkable advantage, and independence is the key... That's right in hillbilly blood. Folks laugh and poke fun at them threadbare folks, all of em without fortune. But what they have instead is priceless and rare-won.
Off-grid is the start of that. But it ain't that easy. It is still a castle mentality, and a castle can be besieged or destroyed. The further out, the less likely, but even so... If you have things, folks will try to come and take it. That commitment to a chunk of land is a serious weakness. The sweet spot, I think, is a hybrid of both. defend your castle while you can, because that best guarantees your survival, even if wholly independent. But be capable of being a ranger/long-walker too.
You need to be able to thrive in both modes. And that is terribly hard to do. Not by myself, though that is hard enough to truly thrive... it's the kin that become the problem. moving a band across the land is entirely different than moving alone. That is what preserves them hillbillies. They can make do no matter... With grandma along, and a mess of kids.
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LOL! no. Absolutely not. Confiscation might work in the cities and some suburbs... But will the Rockies disarm? Not a single chance in hell. Nowhere. not even Colorado. The Plains states might get a little wobbly but likely not. The Desert SW? Not a chance in hell. Nope. Texas? Are you kidding me? Never going to happen. California too - The Sierras are just like up here. The South? Aw hell no. Southern Illinois and Indiana? No way. Michigan? LOL! Yoopers? Nah. Rural Ohio and Penn? Nope they're basically Southern in thinking...
So that leaves the Left coast and the Northeast. And even there, I think they'd have a fight.
They can pass any damn law they want - That don't mean folks, or even states and counties, will obey it. And I guarantee, anywhere I have been in the Redneck Nation, Such a law will not only be ignored, but violently disobeyed.
In the plains states, if you need your AR, you should have been watching while they were still out there in bolt-action range. Almost all roads have places you can see for a couple miles.
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I wish I could say the same...worry is one of my biggest downfalls.
Properly used, worry is a tool that lets you run different scenarios and devise better means of dealing withthem.
Don't let it paralyze you, use it. Channel that energy into coming up with solutions for every scenario you can, then you will have less to worry about.
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Properly used, worry is a tool that lets you run different scenarios and devise better means of dealing withthem.
Don't let it paralyze you, use it. Channel that energy into coming up with solutions for every scenario you can, then you will have less to worry about.
Thank you. happy77
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Thank you. happy77
You're welcome! :patriot: (Been there, too, decided to do something about it.)
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Not at all what I was saying -- of course people are not going to willingly give up their weapons -- but I do forsee unlawful and unannounced confiscation and incarceration; especially with the assistance of the UN military.
NOT going to happen. It would set off a full-scale rebellion.
I'd love to wake up tomorrow morning to realize that BLM/Antifa are no threat,
They aren't. The only reason they even exist is because the media keeps pumping them up. I guarantee you a full scale rebellion by those fools wouldn't last two days before they all heard there mama's calling,and had to go hide in public housing.
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And all that not having a damn thing to do with insurrection... Wasn't a military thought in my mind.
@roamer_1
Yes,and that is what makes you an exception.
I am also an exception in certain ways. Anytime I want to bust some primers,all I have to do is step out in my yard and cut loose. Don't have a neighbor withing a mile,and surrounded by woods. Plus all the cops know me,and if some nature lover or other freak hears all the 30 cal semi fire,shotgun fire,or handgun fire and panics and calls the cops,they will just laugh and tell him to not worry about it.
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@roamer_1
@sneakypete logic tells me that the purpose of burying/hiding weapons is that the gov't would seize what they can find and you'd still have some weapons that are hidden giving you the ability to defend yourself down the road.
I agree that it would seem that way at first,but the cold hard facts are IF you ever had any intention to defend yourself or stand up to the government,you would have guns and ammo at home,and by the time they drag you out of the smoking house by your heels,you will no longer have any use for those buried guns.
Better to just sell them cheap to somebody you think will use them than to leave them to rust away underground.
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In the plains states, if you need your AR, you should have been watching while they were still out there in bolt-action range. Almost all roads have places you can see for a couple miles.
@Smokin Joe
True dat. It amuses the hell out of me to hear people say there will be mass gun confiscations outside of the big cities anywhere but in the northeast and the left coast.
You can bet your bippy the local sheriffs dept isn't going to go on any gun seizure campaign in rural areas. They not only know better,THEY are a part of the crowd that will never give up their guns.
Imagine for a minute,a crowd of BLM holligans stalking down a dirt road in some rural area,waving banners and screaming about about racial justice and doling out revenge.
I'm betting that starts to get worn out pretty quickly when the rubes start taking head shots at about 100 yards,and the "bloods" have nowhere to point their pistols,that only seem to shoot when held sideways.
The whole damn crowd will be beating feet to run back to the ghetto to hide. People do NOT join gangs because they are brave. They join gangs because they are cowards,and even brave,experienced soldiers have problems advancing against rifle fire from dug in positions across open fields.
It's easy to be tough when you are the only one with a gun.
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@Smokin Joe
True dat. It amuses the hell out of me to hear people say there will be mass gun confiscations outside of the big cities anywhere but in the northeast and the left coast.
You can bet your bippy the local sheriffs dept isn't going to go on any gun seizure campaign in rural areas. They not only know better,THEY are a part of the crowd that will never give up their guns.
Imagine for a minute,a crowd of BLM holligans stalking down a dirt road in some rural area,waving banners and screaming about about racial justice and doling out revenge.
I'm betting that starts to get worn out pretty quickly when the rubes start taking head shots at about 100 yards,and the "bloods" have nowhere to point their pistols,that only seem to shoot when held sideways.
The whole damn crowd will be beating feet to run back to the ghetto to hide. People do NOT join gangs because they are brave. They join gangs because they are cowards,and even brave,experienced soldiers have problems advancing against rifle fire from dug in positions across open fields.
It's easy to be tough when you are the only one with a gun.
ONE hundred yards? Why let them get to the mailbox? If you can't hit a dinner plate at 300, **nononono*.
Remember Sergeant York? How to deal with a flock of turkeys?
And Mrs. Joe is just a hair better rifle shot than I am.
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@Smokin Joe
True dat. It amuses the hell out of me to hear people say there will be mass gun confiscations outside of the big cities anywhere but in the northeast and the left coast.
You can bet your bippy the local sheriffs dept isn't going to go on any gun seizure campaign in rural areas. They not only know better,THEY are a part of the crowd that will never give up their guns.
Imagine for a minute,a crowd of BLM holligans stalking down a dirt road in some rural area,waving banners and screaming about about racial justice and doling out revenge.
I'm betting that starts to get worn out pretty quickly when the rubes start taking head shots at about 100 yards,and the "bloods" have nowhere to point their pistols,that only seem to shoot when held sideways.
The whole damn crowd will be beating feet to run back to the ghetto to hide. People do NOT join gangs because they are brave. They join gangs because they are cowards,and even brave,experienced soldiers have problems advancing against rifle fire from dug in positions across open fields.
It's easy to be tough when you are the only one with a gun.
@sneakypete
I think the lefty's have blown it....
The BLM/Antifa riots, calls of defunding police has made even the centrists uneasy and unwilling to go along with gun bans. Places like NYC may pull it off but not at the state levels.
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@sneakypete
I think the lefty's have blown it....
The BLM/Antifa riots, calls of defunding police has made even the centrists uneasy and unwilling to go along with gun bans. Places like NYC may pull it off but not at the state levels.
Not for long, anyway. That third rail of American Politics is fully charged about now.
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Not for long, anyway. That third rail of American Politics is fully charged about now.
And most of them don't talk about it on the very public interwebs.
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And most of them don't talk about it on the very public interwebs.
People are afraid of being accused of making threats or hate crimes. That could cost them their jobs.
Kipling put it well enough:
It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.
From The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon
Only by no means will that wrath be confined to Saxons, rather partaken by all who are tired of this communist cultural tantrum.
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ONE hundred yards? Why let them get to the mailbox? If you can't hit a dinner plate at 300, **nononono*.
@Smokin Joe
Because if they are going to make me do this sort of thing against my will,I want to be able to have a little bit of fun with it. Why NOT let them get close enough to hear them scream in panic and see the expressions on their faces when they begin to realize just how badly they screwed up?
Besides,you are going to want to go out scavenging the bodies for food,money,weapons,etc,etc,etc once the dust settles,so why walk so far?
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@sneakypete
I think the lefty's have blown it....
The BLM/Antifa riots, calls of defunding police has made even the centrists uneasy and unwilling to go along with gun bans. Places like NYC may pull it off but not at the state levels.
@EdinVA
I do believe you are right. I have never been accused of being shy,and I have been vocal in public about my opinion of Slow Joe,The DNC,and every SOB that votes Dim in public,and even stated the Dims are in bed with the Chinese are are behind this because they know they can't win an election with Slow Joe if he has to hit the campaign trail,and even my suspicion that the DNC wants to cancel the elections so they can steal the country.
EVERY black man I have said this to has vehemently agreed with me except for one today,and he just smiled and laughed.
They have also gone too far with this virus and mask crap. I sat in a Hardees today and saw customer after customer leave mad because they didn't have masks on and were told to leave. As they stormed out the door,I gleefully shouting "You can thank the Dims for this!". I may have even repeated it a time or two for the ones pretending to not hear.
One hot young female maybe years old that looked to MAYBE be part Her-Panic or Black joined in by shouting "It's the Jews! The Jews are behind it all!"
I don't shock easy,but I gotta admit that one had me speechless for a few minutes before I explained to her that SOME Jews were no doubt involved in it,but the focal point is it is the LEFT doing this to stay in power.
I am not kidding either. I have done this a BUNCH of times in public places,and have yet to have anyone try to get nose to nose with me. Like I said about,everybody but one man that I mentioned this to agreed with me,and you could tell from the sound of their voice and the looks on their faces that they were steamed about it,too.
I figure give this two more weeks,and the geezers are going to be marching in protest in the streets.
The Dims just went too far too fast.
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@EdinVA
I do believe you are right. I have never been accused of being shy,and I have been vocal in public about my opinion of Slow Joe,The DNC,and every SOB that votes Dim in public,and even stated the Dims are in bed with the Chinese are are behind this because they know they can't win an election with Slow Joe if he has to hit the campaign trail,and even my suspicion that the DNC wants to cancel the elections so they can steal the country.
EVERY black man I have said this to has vehemently agreed with me except for one today,and he just smiled and laughed.
They have also gone too far with this virus and mask crap. I sat in a Hardees today and saw customer after customer leave mad because they didn't have masks on and were told to leave. As they stormed out the door,I gleefully shouting "You can thank the Dims for this!". I may have even repeated it a time or two for the ones pretending to not hear.
One hot young female maybe years old that looked to MAYBE be part Her-Panic or Black joined in by shouting "It's the Jews! The Jews are behind it all!"
I don't shock easy,but I gotta admit that one had me speechless for a few minutes before I explained to her that SOME Jews were no doubt involved in it,but the focal point is it is the LEFT doing this to stay in power.
I am not kidding either. I have done this a BUNCH of times in public places,and have yet to have anyone try to get nose to nose with me. Like I said about,everybody but one man that I mentioned this to agreed with me,and you could tell from the sound of their voice and the looks on their faces that they were steamed about it,too.
I figure give this two more weeks,and the geezers are going to be marching in protest in the streets.
The Dims just went too far too fast.
@sneakypete
November is going to be interesting...
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@sneakypete
November is going to be interesting...
@EdinVA
Regardless of WHICH way it goes.
I am not worried because I am pure of heart,and my FN-FAL and my 45ACP Combat Commander are at my side,and comfort me.
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@EdinVA
Regardless of WHICH way it goes.
I am not worried because I am pure of heart,and my FN-FAL and my 45ACP Combat Commander are at my side,and comfort me.
@sneakypete
:yowsa:
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06-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.863 ↑ | 1.706 ↓ |
| United States | 8.514 ↑ | 2.412 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +18
Things are looking up. The younger population continues to build up immunity while mortality rates continue to plummet.
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06-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.863 ↑ | 1.706 ↓ |
| United States | 8.514 ↑ | 2.412 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +18
Things are looking up. The younger population continues to build up immunity while mortality rates continue to plummet.
??? Those figures of reported new deaths is extremely low -- FL reported 28 new deaths today.
https://www.winknews.com/2020/06/29/mondays-coronavirus-updates-5266-new-cases-reported-in-florida-28-additional-deaths/ (https://www.winknews.com/2020/06/29/mondays-coronavirus-updates-5266-new-cases-reported-in-florida-28-additional-deaths/)
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??? Those figures of reported new deaths is extremely low -- FL reported 28 new deaths today.
https://www.winknews.com/2020/06/29/mondays-coronavirus-updates-5266-new-cases-reported-in-florida-28-additional-deaths/ (https://www.winknews.com/2020/06/29/mondays-coronavirus-updates-5266-new-cases-reported-in-florida-28-additional-deaths/)
From midnight GMT 6/28 to midnight 6/29, there were 285 deaths.
From midnight GMT 6/21 to midnight 6/22, there were 267 deaths.
So comparing yesterday to the previous Sunday, there were 18 more deaths. (See: +18 in my post)
The Sunday before that (6/14), there were 331 deaths.
On Sunday June 7, there were 373. Overall, deaths are trending downward.
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Book cooking continues. When I posted numbers yesterday (shortly after midnight GMT, 6/30), the WorldofMeters website listed US deaths at the close of 6/28 at 128,437. Sometime in the last 24 hours, over 500 deaths have been added. That same figure now shows 128,992.
Any deaths reported after the close of midnight are recorded on the following day. Yet someone went back two days and padded the number. They still show only +285 deaths occurring on 6/28. But the difference in the totals between the two days comes to +840.
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Book cooking continues. When I posted numbers yesterday (shortly after midnight GMT, 6/30), the WorldofMeters website listed US deaths at the close of 6/28 at 128,437. Sometime in the last 24 hours, over 500 deaths have been added. That same figure now shows 128,992.
Any deaths reported after the close of midnight are recorded on the following day. Yet someone went back two days and padded the number. They still show only +285 deaths occurring on 6/28. But the difference in the totals between the two days comes to +840.
Have you ever thought of taking up a hobby? happy77
888high58888
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Book cooking continues. When I posted numbers yesterday (shortly after midnight GMT, 6/30), the WorldofMeters website listed US deaths at the close of 6/28 at 128,437. Sometime in the last 24 hours, over 500 deaths have been added. That same figure now shows 128,992.
Any deaths reported after the close of midnight are recorded on the following day. Yet someone went back two days and padded the number. They still show only +285 deaths occurring on 6/28. But the difference in the totals between the two days comes to +840.
Not sure where you are at, but I notice the media are blaming all the surge in new cases on bars and beaches, not on protests. (Maybe that's because the protesters were wearing masks).
What we should identify is which counties had large protests and whether the numbers there have shown an increase.
I must note the absence of an increase does not preclude exchange of pathogens at protests and the protesters driving home (elsewhere, since so many seem to have been imported) to get sick and spread the virus, but one would expect some rise in the local cases as well.
I must further note the possibility (however remote) that these protest events were intended to spread the virus, considering the Communist ties for the primary organizations involved. If they will cripple local economies, they'd cripple the National one.
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06-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.931 ↑ | 1.711 ↓ |
| United States | 8.636 ↑ | 2.401 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +558*.
* (Without the extra 555 deaths that appeared out of thin air, the daily tally is only 3 higher than reported last Monday)
Total US deaths reported (at 0 GMT 6/30) - 129,358
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06-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +558*.
* (Without the extra 555 deaths that appeared out of thin air, the daily tally is only 3 higher than reported last Monday)
Total US deaths reported (at 0 GMT 6/30) - 129,358
Those 555 "deaths" are just new democratic voters.... nothing to see here..
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06-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 11.992 ↑ | 1.700 ↓ |
| United States | 8.636 ↑ | 2.401 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +558*.
* (Without the extra 555 deaths that appeared out of thin air, the daily tally is only 3 higher than reported last Monday)
Total US deaths reported (at 0 GMT 6/30) - 129,358
IMO, you are doing a great job of keeping us informed.
I gotta ask this. Not out of morbid curiosity. Just curiosity.
Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
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07-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.073 ↑ | 1.700 ↓ |
| United States | 8.787 ↑ | 2.386 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -99.
Total US deaths reported (at 0 GMT 7/01) - 130,122 (+764)
Mortality rate continues to fall while immunity increases.
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But every "increased immunity," it's an excuse for these power-hungry public health psychopaths to keep us further and further from free life.
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Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
I work with three persons who tested positive, one of whom sits 10 ft away from my work station and a second who sits 20 ft away. Neither of these developed any symptoms, but still got three weeks off (around 250 hrs) with pay. The third works on another floor. He got pretty sick but is OK and back to work now.
Don't know a single person back home in Georgia who has contracted it.
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Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
@bigheadfred
One of my aunts died from COVID. She was in her 80s.
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IMO, you are doing a great job of keeping us informed.
I gotta ask this. Not out of morbid curiosity. Just curiosity.
Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
Yep, one of my son's teachers from HS. Younger than me no less, very nice guy, and terribly sad for his family.
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Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
An old HS friend allegedly died of it but who knows what he really died of. He was 74 years old and had several underlying conditions. For sure he either died OF covid or WITH covid.
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IMO, you are doing a great job of keeping us informed.
I gotta ask this. Not out of morbid curiosity. Just curiosity.
Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
Nope. But my sister (the whacko-liberal one living in Chicago) lost a friend in her neighborhood. :shrug:
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But every "increased immunity," it's an excuse for these power-hungry public health psychopaths to keep us further and further from free life.
@jmyrlefuller
Well,that IS the purpose of the whole exercise,isn't it?
Who says the Dims can't ever come up with a plan and follow through on it when they want to?
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@bigheadfred
One of my aunts died from COVID. She was in her 80s.
@AllThatJazzZ
DAMN THAT EVIL DISEASE! It struck her down right in the prime of her life,too!
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Yep, one of my son's teachers from HS. Younger than me no less, very nice guy, and terribly sad for his family.
@catfish1957
Is it know if he had any other diseases or medical problems that contributed to his death?
I am not a betting man,but I would almost bet there was.
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@catfish1957
Is it know if he had any other diseases or medical problems that contributed to his death?
I am not a betting man,but I would almost bet there was.
@sneakypete
Overall pretty healthy, and heard his only co-moribidity factor was diabetes. Was at work doing normal duties 5 days before his hospitalization. But OTOH, he was a really early victim, before Dr.'s knew much about the disease.
But then again, I obvioulsy don't know his entire health history too.
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@sneakypete
Overall pretty healthy, and heard his only co-moribidity factor was diabetes. Was at work doing normal duties 5 days before his hospitalization. But OTOH, he was a really early victim, before Dr.'s knew much about the disease.
But then again, I obvioulsy don't know his entire health history too.
@catfish1957
I think we both know by now that any death these days is attributed to "the virus" if the dead person maybe had a fever the week before,even if they were killed in a car accident.
It's about politics now,not medicine.
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happy77 happy77 happy77 happy77 happy77 happy77
Reports from Pfizer today that C-19 vaccine trials passed the "safe for use" "antibody faciiatation" phase of research.
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I gotta ask this. Not out of morbid curiosity. Just curiosity.
Does anyone out there personally know someone who has died of covid? I don't.
Co-worker's girlfriend tested positive.
Same co-worker came down with symptoms.
No word on his test result yet.
This co-worker works directly with my son, who hasn't shown any symptoms, milder ones at best, headache, fatigue, sore throat. No fever or cough, but is now at our home, waiting for his test results.
Their test have to come back negative, before we will allow them back to work.
I feel fine, but if my son comes back positive, it will be my turn to go through all of it, because he lives with us.
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Thanks for the replies.
Idaho has 6,370 with most of those around Boise. 92 deaths.
There isn't much going on around here, east Idaho.
My two oldest grandkids' other grandmother, 52, has been diagnosed with ALS. They are giving her 3 years but think she has had it for two. She is losing mobility and speech. Going down fast now. So 3 months to a year.
My point being as this covid crisis grips the nation there are many people dying of noncovid every day. Like always.
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Thanks for the replies.
Idaho has 6,370 with most of those around Boise. 92 deaths.
There isn't much going on around here, east Idaho.
My two oldest grandkids' other grandmother, 52, has been diagnosed with ALS. They are giving her 3 years but think she has had it for two. She is losing mobility and speech. Going down fast now. So 3 months to a year.
My point being as this covid crisis grips the nation there are many people dying of noncovid every day. Like always.
So true.
We're at 3615 positives, 80 deaths (69 known COVID, 10 died with it (but not from it) and one pending and presumed.) 3210 recovered, 325 active cases, mostly in the Eastern part of the State. My county has 11 active cases, an all time high. towns which had protests are in the heaviest hit counties, but they also have higher populations, so there is no clear correlation.
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Thanks for the replies.
Idaho has 6,370 with most of those around Boise. 92 deaths.
There isn't much going on around here, east Idaho.
My two oldest grandkids' other grandmother, 52, has been diagnosed with ALS. They are giving her 3 years but think she has had it for two. She is losing mobility and speech. Going down fast now. So 3 months to a year.
My point being as this covid crisis grips the nation there are many people dying of noncovid every day. Like always.
@bigheadfred
Yes,but if she has had a fever within the last 90 days,it will be reported as a corono virus death.
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07-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.262 ↑ | 1.691 ↓ |
| United States | 8.904 ↑ | 2.387 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Change in daily deaths from 7 days ago: -132
Top 5 for new cases in order TX, FL, CA, AZ, and GA.
As cases continue to rise, death continue to fall.
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Co-worker's girlfriend tested positive.
Same co-worker came down with symptoms.
No word on his test result yet.
This co-worker works directly with my son, who hasn't shown any symptoms, milder ones at best, headache, fatigue, sore throat. No fever or cough, but is now at our home, waiting for his test results.
Their test have to come back negative, before we will allow them back to work.
I feel fine, but if my son comes back positive, it will be my turn to go through all of it, because he lives with us.
update:
My son tested negative for the virus, his results came back late yesterday.
:amen:
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update:
My son tested negative for the virus, his results came back late yesterday.
:amen:
:amen:
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update:
My son tested negative for the virus, his results came back late yesterday.
:amen:
Glad to hear it!
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update:
My son tested negative for the virus, his results came back late yesterday.
:amen:
888high58888
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update:
My son tested negative for the virus, his results came back late yesterday.
:amen:
Amen.
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update:
My son tested negative for the virus, his results came back late yesterday.
:amen:
Yay!
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An interesting stat from Georgia:
Chattahoochee and Echols counties lead the state in infection rates (4.0% and 4.6% respectively) which are off the charts compare to the national average. yet neither county has experienced a single Covid death.
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An interesting stat from Georgia:
Chattahoochee and Echols counties lead the state in infection rates (4.0% and 4.6% respectively) which are off the charts compare to the national average. yet neither county has experienced a single Covid death.
@Hoodat
Maybe they just ain't trying hard enough? Nobody killed in a auto accident,drive by shooting,drug OD,etc,etc,etc.
How about natural deaths? Nobody in their 70's,80's,or 90's dying they can tag as a virus death?
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@Hoodat
Maybe they just ain't trying hard enough? Nobody killed in a auto accident,drive by shooting,drug OD,etc,etc,etc.
How about natural deaths? Nobody in their 70's,80's,or 90's dying they can tag as a virus death?
Sounds like the infected cohort is younger. (No one under 40 has died of the virus in this State).
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07-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.262 ↑ | 1.691 ↓ |
| United States | 8.904 ↑ | 2.387 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Change in daily deaths from 7 days ago: -132
Top 5 for new cases in order TX, FL, CA, AZ, and GA.
As cases continue to rise, death continue to fall.
With all due respect for you....I don't believe any stats from anywhere. We still have other flu's in our country. Cancer, heart attack, lung issues, and they ALL "died" from covid. Snark. I read , 1.5 MILLION people died from diabetes, alone. Who knows what is the truth anymore, out there. George Floyd had covid.
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@Hoodat
Maybe they just ain't trying hard enough? Nobody killed in a auto accident,drive by shooting,drug OD,etc,etc,etc.
How about natural deaths? Nobody in their 70's,80's,or 90's dying they can tag as a virus death?
@Hoodat @Smokin Joe
UPDATE! I did see a news report on NBC this morning about a 96 year old veteran that died from corona-virus complications in a old-folks home yesterday. It further said he had also been suffering from (IIRC) heart disease and respiratory problems.
Just think,if it hadn't been for that damn virus,he would have been out tonight partying with 19 year old hookers,and probably lived to be 150!
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07-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.569 ↑ | 1.655 ↓ |
| United States | 9.236 ↑ | 2.336 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
14-day recovery deficit - 918,137
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07-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.711 ↑ | 1.649 ↓ |
| United States | 9.355 ↑ | 2.340 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -244.
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07-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.869 ↑ | 1.639 ↓ |
| United States | 9.526 ↑ | 2.329 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, and AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -258.
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Sounds like the infected cohort is younger. (No one under 40 has died of the virus in this State).
In FL we just had an 8 year-old die of the virus and last week a 17 year old. Average age now of those being infected is 45.
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07-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 12.932 ↑ | 1.643 ↑ |
| United States | 9.727 ↑ | 2.313 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -34.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 934,542
Number of media outlets reporting dramatic decrease in deaths - zero.
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Sweden's deaths are way down. Only a few per day at this point. After the ridiculous lockdowns, we'll probably end up with the same mortality plus trillions in debt and bankruptcies.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHnFeVVAAEu5xv.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHnFeVVAAEu5xv.jpg)
@Bigun
And,there it is.
NO mask can prevent you from catching the virus. It's a freaking virus. It travels though the air,gets on car,house,and public door handles,toilet seats,counters/tables,chair backs,etc,etc,etc.
To completely avoid it,you would have to seal yourself in a bio chamber and radiate any food brought in to you as well as the container.
Then,guess what happens? You never get a chance for your body to produce any of the anti-bodies that COULD prevent you from catching it the next time it comes around.
As a wise man once noted,"The biggest cause of death is life."
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Sweden's deaths are way down. Only a few per day at this point. After the ridiculous lockdowns, we'll probably end up with the same mortality plus trillions in debt and bankruptcies.
Correctamundo. The spread of this virus was inevitable. The destruction of our economy only delayed it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcHnFeVVAAEu5xv.jpg)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Death total for July 5 has retroactively been adjusted upward by 32 with zero accounting (or even notice) of where those extra 32 deaths came from.
07-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.003 ↑ | 1.645 ↑ |
| United States | 9.964 ↑ | 2.295 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, AZ, and NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -511.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 930,227
Total US deaths reported (at 0 GMT 7/07) - 132,979 (still shown as +379, but it is 410 higher than previous day total.)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QxlvqiaYCM#)
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Thanks for posting, @Bigun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QxlvqiaYCM#)
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@Bigun
ROFLMAO! Good one!
Going to steal the hell out of it,to email to people on my email list.
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(https://i.imgur.com/XnvDeVm.jpeg)
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Sweden's deaths are way down. Only a few per day at this point. After the ridiculous lockdowns, we'll probably end up with the same mortality plus trillions in debt and bankruptcies.
Lock downs certainly did major damage. But I'm not convinced the majority of people wouldn't have hid out in their homes anyway doing a substantial amount of economic damage anyway. It was a damned if you damned if you don't situation. It is still unclear to me where government short of the legislature had the authority to lock down anyone.
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(https://i.imgur.com/XnvDeVm.jpeg)
A very valid point. I trust no one. Here is an article stating that a mouth swab is more effective.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200427/saliva-covid-test-alternative-to-deep-nasal-swab#1 (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200427/saliva-covid-test-alternative-to-deep-nasal-swab#1)
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You know, I've been pondering something: everyone is talking about how young people are the ones getting the virus in this wave (what I call the Mexican wave).
You all remember when the Italian wave hit New York, they ordered the strict lockdown, the stay-home order and all. Well, most twentysomethings live alone, or with their parents. Far fewer have married and started families than was the case in previous generations. But in March when everything was suddenly shut down, that triggered a mass panic. I know many people in their 20s and 30s who moved back in with their parents to wait out the pandemic. They were out partying days, weeks before and brought that virus back home to their extended families. Thus the higher rates of illness among older people, and thus the higher rates of death.
But now, with things opening up, twentysomethings are now largely spreading the virus among each other, and since the panic has subsided for the most part, they feel free to socialize with people their own age again. So even though the case counts are quite high, the mortality rate is dropping because they're not taking it home to their more vulnerable family members.
I remember Cuomo alluding to this when the Italian wave was at its peak, that the hard lockdown was a mistake for that very reason.
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07-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.294 ↑ | 1.6419↓ |
| United States | 10.113 ↑ | 2.286 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +229.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 935,333
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07-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.491 ↑ | 1.605↓ |
| United States | 10.327 ↑ | 2.268 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +214.
Over 1/3 of new deaths occurred in CA, TX, and NJ.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 935,013
US reported Recovery-to-death ratio has climbed above 10.
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I grew up in Nederland and went to school with some of these guys.
Mr. Westbrook’s Last Song
The spring semester is always a whirlwind for Michael Westbrook and the Hardin-Jefferson High School band. Up until mid-March, this year was no different. The 54-year-old band director was busy preparing his students for regional concert and sight-reading competitions in April. He was also working with a smaller group of kids who were headed to Austin for prestigious state solo and small-ensemble contests in May.
The concert band was hard at work on three pieces, including one called Redemption, a sweeping, romantic composition that had brought Westbrook to tears the first time his students played it. “Whenever we would play a new piece of music, he’d tell us a little backstory on it, and sometimes he would get emotional,†said Abby Thomas, a senior band officer and a student of Westbrook’s since fourth grade. “We always said, if Westbrook cries, we’re all gonna cry.â€
Hardin-Jefferson ISD is a small district of 2,300 students near Beaumont. Westbrook, who grew up in Nederland and graduated from Lamar University, had served as a band director in Hardin-Jefferson for thirteen years and had become a beloved—and indispensable—member of the community. Middle-school band director Marshall Swift, whom Westbrook hired for his first teaching job in 2017, considered him a mentor. “He taught me how to be kind and compassionate and how to take things in stride, even when it’s difficult,†he said.
More: https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/first-coronavirus-death-southeast-texas/?fbclid=IwAR0P5sNTFQ_wlB82Pcx1NwJJMtExOBD3kr3VKXvrYqqA1cWbu3M3lEhqsnQ] [url]https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/first-coronavirus-death-southeast-texas/?fbclid=IwAR0P5sNTFQ_wlB82Pcx1NwJJMtExOBD3kr3VKXvrYqqA1cWbu3M3lEhqsnQ (http://[url)[/url]
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I grew up in Nederland and went to school with some of these guys.
Hollanders? Is it a Dutch community?
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Bet they have some Schexnaydres there.
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Doctors Break Down COVID Response and the Demonization of HCQ, DOCTORS TELL ALL
Julie Carr | July 1, 2020
In this interview, Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Dan Wohlgelernter discuss the country’s failure to protect the elderly from the coronavirus and also sort out information around Hydroxychloroquine.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaxKIivS79g#)
Good info. Death rate is 0.3%. Transcript at website.
https://theohiostar.com/2020/07/01/doctors-break-down-covid-response-and-the-demonization-of-hcq-doctors-tell-all/ (https://theohiostar.com/2020/07/01/doctors-break-down-covid-response-and-the-demonization-of-hcq-doctors-tell-all/)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecg5DP9XYAAe2To?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/AmericanPurrl/status/1281337366360317952/photo/1
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In other countries -- particularly Italy -- the infection curve jumped WAY up early on, stayed there for a short time, and then began to rapidly drop back toward the baseline.
But not here.
It "reached a peak" relatively early, but then fell back down only partially, stayed that way, and now seems to be moving upwards again. WAY upwards.
Why is that?
I don't believe it to be "phony reporting". I could believe that, say, 25% of all new cases weren't properly substantiated, but not most of them.
Yes, deaths have dropped significantly, and are now approaching baseline. I attribute this to the medical community's increasing knowledge of how to treat the disease, once people have it.
But covid's ability to infect is craftier than our ability to prevent such infections.
Or are we -- as Americans -- too rebellious and independent to "conform" to the degree that such conformity of behavior could begin forcing down the infection curve...?
Here, locally in SW Connecticut, we are doing pretty well.
As best I can gather in maintaining my "infection spreadsheet", there's been only 1 reported new infection in town in the past week (compared to a couple of months back when the number was around 30 per day). Hoping to see this trend continue...
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Wohlgelernter: I’ve prescribed [hydroxychloroquine]. I’ve also recommended it to people. I’ve had conversations with people literally around the world in Israel and Italy and England and the east coast of the United States. And I’ve read the literature extensively. So hydroxychloroquine definitely has a role. That role is specific.
It’s an anti-viral agent that is effective in the early stages of infection. When used in that context it is effective and it is safe. Unfortunately, there have been studies that have looked at hydroxychloroquine but have looked at it in the wrong context. They looked at it for severely and critically ill people in the hospital setting.
At that point, the antiviral is not effective because you’ve gone beyond viral infection to a new mediated widespread inflammatory reaction. So that was the wrong population to look at hydroxychloroquine in. And that kind of study, that sabotages the whole story about hydroxychloroquine. I’m not certain why they were designed that way.
https://theohiostar.com/2020/07/01/doctors-break-down-covid-response-and-the-demonization-of-hcq-doctors-tell-all/
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We have always had flu's. SAR'S, SWINE FLU, ENTEROVIRUS. We still have these flu's in our country. COVID is just another one and not a severe as first thought. SO, since COVID....NO OTHER ILLNESS OR FLU'S? I read that 1.5 MILLION people died from diabeties alone. That is MORE than COIVD. Then we have cancer, heart attacks, lung disease. Sick of talking about COVID.
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Fatality Rates by State
Reported Fatalities to Reported Cases
| USA State | Fatality % |
| Connecticut | 9.21 % |
| New Jersey | 8.69 % |
| Michigan | 8.35 % |
| New York | 7.61 % |
| Massachusetts | 7.45 % |
| Pennsylvania | 7.06 % |
| New Hampshire | 6.48 % |
| Rhode Island | 5.64 % |
| Indiana | 5.52 % |
| District Of Columbia | 5.32 % |
| Ohio | 4.89 % |
| Illinois | 4.83 % |
| Colorado | 4.79 % |
| Louisiana | 4.66 % |
| Maryland | 4.6 % |
| Vermont | 4.41 % |
| USA Total | 4.22 % |
| Delaware | 4.12 % |
| Missouri | 4.04 % |
| Minnesota | 3.8 % |
| New Mexico | 3.73 % |
| Mississippi | 3.58 % |
| Washington | 3.53 % |
| Kentucky | 3.35 % |
| Maine | 3.2 % |
| Virginia | 2.84 % |
| Georgia | 2.74 % |
| West Virginia | 2.48 % |
| Wisconsin | 2.38 % |
| Nevada | 2.28 % |
| California | 2.26 % |
| Iowa | 2.23 % |
| Oklahoma | 2.22 % |
| Alabama | 2.17 % |
| North Dakota | 2.09 % |
| Oregon | 2.07 % |
| North Carolina | 1.87 % |
| Arizona | 1.8 % |
| South Carolina | 1.78 % |
| Florida | 1.72 % |
| Montana | 1.67 % |
| Kansas | 1.64 % |
| Hawaii | 1.62 % |
| Nebraska | 1.38 % |
| South Dakota | 1.37 % |
| Alaska | 1.32 % |
| Texas | 1.27 % |
| Tennessee | 1.23 % |
| Arkansas | 1.18 % |
| Wyoming | 1.17 % |
| Idaho | 1.09 % |
| Utah | 0.75 % |
This is based on 'reported' infections. It does not include unreported asymptomatic ones.
Guideline for including unreported cases - divide by percentage 7.
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In other words, the general pattern has been that the earlier the peak was, the higher the fatality rate. Since testing capacity was so low at the early part of the outbreak, that's to be expected.
Could the current Mexican wave be less deadly than the Italian wave? Perhaps—we do know the pattern of infection is far different because of the lack of lockdowns.
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Doctors Break Down COVID Response and the Demonization of HCQ, DOCTORS TELL ALL
Julie Carr | July 1, 2020
In this interview, Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Dan Wohlgelernter discuss the country’s failure to protect the elderly from the coronavirus and also sort out information around Hydroxychloroquine.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaxKIivS79g#)
Good info. Death rate is 0.3%. Transcript at website.
https://theohiostar.com/2020/07/01/doctors-break-down-covid-response-and-the-demonization-of-hcq-doctors-tell-all/ (https://theohiostar.com/2020/07/01/doctors-break-down-covid-response-and-the-demonization-of-hcq-doctors-tell-all/)
:yowsa: pointing-up
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Hollanders? Is it a Dutch community?
Yes, originally settled by the Dutch in the late 1800's, with ties to Holland, MI, De Ridder, LA, and De Quincy, LA. Quite a few descendants still there with surnames like Reinstra, De Vries, Doorrnbos, Ritter. Tex Ritter's hometown.
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This is about VACCINES....from a LADY DOCTOR. STARTS AT ABOUT 20:00.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYITZ2Sv8fE&t=799s#)
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Yes, originally settled by the Dutch in the late 1800's, with ties to Holland, MI, De Ridder, LA, and De Quincy, LA. Quite a few descendants still there with surnames like Reinstra, De Vries, Doorrnbos, Ritter. Tex Ritter's hometown.
Excellent... I am related to DeVries and Doornbos... Kinda like Bozeman up in here... Only place in the state they can spell my name, and it always catches me by surprise when they don't ask. :laugh:
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07-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.643 ↑ | 1.598↓ |
| United States | 10.502 ↑ | 2.257 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, AZ, and GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +310.
Uptick in deaths for third consecutive day. About one-half of today's deaths occurred in CA, FL, NJ, and TX.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 942,338.
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You know, we have deaths every year from flu's....COVID is mild in comparison.
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Big surprise - the surge is located in places with a ton of hispanics.
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Big surprise - the surge is located in places with a ton of hispanics.
We have had a surge here, as well. The numbers are smaller, but we'd hit a statewide low of 211 active cases on 6/22, a month after the high of 670 active cases on 5/22. By 7/9 we're at 440 active cases and climbing.
I cant find a clear correlation between the Antifa/BLM traveling roadshow, and need to go back and find when redefinitions were issued for COVID-19 case determinations, if any have been.I'm trying to see if this might be a testing artifact as well, because increased testing will lead to the discovery of asymptomatic cases.
All I know for certain is that I only have a couple of days to get some building supplies before the local store will be requiring masks to shop there. (Yeah, try loading building materials while breathing through a mask.)
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You know, we have deaths every year from flu's....COVID is mild in comparison.
China Flu Deaths - .02%
Last Flu Season - .08%
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We have had a surge here, as well. The numbers are smaller, but we'd hit a statewide low of 211 active cases on 6/22, a month after the high of 670 active cases on 5/22. By 7/9 we're at 440 active cases and climbing.
I cant find a clear correlation between the Antifa/BLM traveling roadshow, and need to go back and find when redefinitions were issued for COVID-19 case determinations, if any have been.I'm trying to see if this might be a testing artifact as well, because increased testing will lead to the discovery of asymptomatic cases.
All I know for certain is that I only have a couple of days to get some building supplies before the local store will be requiring masks to shop there. (Yeah, try loading building materials while breathing through a mask.)
No worries. From what I have seen the "enforcement" is pretty lax. As long as you have a visible mask around your neck or somewhere close to your mouth, that seems to count. Don't take this crap too seriously. I certainly do not.
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Fatality Rates by State
Reported Fatalities to Reported Cases
| USA State | Fatality % |
| Connecticut | 9.21 % |
| New Jersey | 8.69 % |
| Michigan | 8.35 % |
| New York | 7.61 % |
| Massachusetts | 7.45 % |
| Pennsylvania | 7.06 % |
| New Hampshire | 6.48 % |
| Rhode Island | 5.64 % |
| Indiana | 5.52 % |
| District Of Columbia | 5.32 % |
| Ohio | 4.89 % |
| Illinois | 4.83 % |
| Colorado | 4.79 % |
| Louisiana | 4.66 % |
| Maryland | 4.6 % |
| Vermont | 4.41 % |
| USA Total | 4.22 % |
| Delaware | 4.12 % |
| Missouri | 4.04 % |
| Minnesota | 3.8 % |
| New Mexico | 3.73 % |
| Mississippi | 3.58 % |
| Washington | 3.53 % |
| Kentucky | 3.35 % |
| Maine | 3.2 % |
| Virginia | 2.84 % |
| Georgia | 2.74 % |
| West Virginia | 2.48 % |
| Wisconsin | 2.38 % |
| Nevada | 2.28 % |
| California | 2.26 % |
| Iowa | 2.23 % |
| Oklahoma | 2.22 % |
| Alabama | 2.17 % |
| North Dakota | 2.09 % |
| Oregon | 2.07 % |
| North Carolina | 1.87 % |
| Arizona | 1.8 % |
| South Carolina | 1.78 % |
| Florida | 1.72 % |
| Montana | 1.67 % |
| Kansas | 1.64 % |
| Hawaii | 1.62 % |
| Nebraska | 1.38 % |
| South Dakota | 1.37 % |
| Alaska | 1.32 % |
| Texas | 1.27 % |
| Tennessee | 1.23 % |
| Arkansas | 1.18 % |
| Wyoming | 1.17 % |
| Idaho | 1.09 % |
| Utah | 0.75 % |
This is based on 'reported' infections. It does not include unreported asymptomatic ones.
Guideline for including unreported cases - divide by percentage 7.
Roughly, just under 1% of the population, by way of case numbers reported, now has, or has had, the virus,
New York @ 2%, a handful of states at 1.9 to 1%.
Most states below 1 % of their population that has been or is currently infected.
A remarkably low infection, and death rate, all things considered.
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My 20 year old great nephew just tested positive. He was sent home with hydroxychloroquin / zinc / z pac regimen.
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My 20 year old great nephew just tested positive. He was sent home with hydroxychloroquin / zinc / z pac regimen.
I take it he does not live in New York, because that drug combo is illegal there.
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My 20 year old great nephew just tested positive. He was sent home with hydroxychloroquin / zinc / z pac regimen.
There is a really good chance that will take care of it for him. It is increasingly coming out that the regimen is effective, especially so early in the disease (despite the heavily promoted flawed studies early on which have been retracted (nearly unheard of!) by Lancet and nejm saying Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine were no good).
Dev Zelenko was right! (and should get the Nobel for medicine, despite being censored off YouTube and Fecebook).
In this sense, the willingness of Administrative doctors to put politics ahead of good science should not only cause some staffing changes, but alert scientists everywhere to examine what is being said and speak out if it is wrong.
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WATCH: A One Minute Coronavirus ‘Breath Test’ Test Has Been Invented
By United Patriot News -July 7, 2020
The creation of a fast COVID-19 breathalyzer could have gigantic ramifications for air travel, with borders ready to be re-opened and travelers tested before flying.
A one-minute breath test to tell whether somebody has coronavirus could be introduced at several worldwide passage focuses in the event that it gets endorsement from the US Food and Drug Administration.
The cunning contraption, which utilizes recurrence to recognize the dangerous SARS-CoV-2, was planned by a group based at an Israeli college and has a triumph pace of in excess of 90 percent in preliminaries to-date.
(more)
https://www.unitedpatriotnews.com/general/watch-a-one-minute-coronavirus-breath-test-test-has-been-invented/
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I take it he does not live in New York, because that drug combo is illegal there.
Texas.
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There is a really good chance that will take care of it for him. It is increasingly coming out that the regimen is effective, especially so early in the disease (despite the heavily promoted flawed studies early on which have been retracted (nearly unheard of!) by Lancet and nejm saying Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine were no good).
Dev Zelenko was right! (and should get the Nobel for medicine, despite being censored off YouTube and Fecebook).
In this sense, the willingness of Administrative doctors to put politics ahead of good science should not only cause some staffing changes, but alert scientists everywhere to examine what is being said and speak out if it is wrong.
I was very pleased to hear that he was given these meds and I'm sure he will be fine. He is autistic and as such he doesn't get out socially with other people his age. Smart as a whip, though, and teaches coding and robotics to children so it's assumed that is where he picked it up.
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I was very pleased to hear that he was given these meds and I'm sure he will be fine. He is autistic and as such he doesn't get out socially with other people his age. Smart as a whip, though, and teaches coding and robotics to children so it's assumed that is where he picked it up.
I will keep him in my prayers, anyway. it never hurts.
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Georgia fatalities - breakdown (percentages of all reported deaths in Georgia)
Age 65 and older - 77.9 %
Age 75 and older - 54.1 %
Age 90 and older - 13.4 %
Age 64 and younger - 22.1 %
Age 64 and younger with no co-morbidity - 4.2%
Age 44 and younger - 3.5%
Age 44 and younger with no co-morbidity - 0.8%
Over 1 out of every 8 Covid deaths in Georgia was a person aged 90 or older.
Seven of every 9 Covid deaths was a person 65 or older.
And only 1 out of every 119 deaths is a person under age 44 with no underlying conditions.
This is what we destroyed our economy over.
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https://twitter.com/AmericanPurrl/status/1281337366360317952/photo/19
@mountaineer
That's nothing. I posted a story here a few days ago about a 96 year old WW-2 vet in a nursing home with heart trouble,diabetes,kidney trouble,and pretty much everything else a 96 year old can be expected to have,and guess what?
The newspaper headline read "96 Year Old WW-2 Vet Dies from COVID-19".
Gimme a freaking break! 96 year olds die from "Tuesday".
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I will keep him in my prayers, anyway. it never hurts.
Thank you! All prayers appreciated!
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07-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.758 ↑ | 1.597↓ |
| United States | 10.686 ↑ | 2.254 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, and AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +233.
TX, CA, & FL account for over one-third of today's deaths.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 955,790.
New cases for today exceeded 70k. At that rate, 15% of Americans will be immune by Labor Day. That much closer to putting this all behind us.
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
Uh-oh...
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
Sending a prayer.
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
Sending Prayers down your way! :0001:
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@roamer_1 , @bigheadfred , @Cyber Liberty
Thank you.
We'll just have to wait see what happens. If that's what she has hopefully she'll be in 80+ percent that have minor problems from it.
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
Prayers of healing for your daughter and her friends, and prayers of protection for your wife and other daughter.
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
Prayers up for your family. The Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc Sulfate regimen is back, having been shown to be most effective in early onset. Just saying. https://youtu.be/aaxKIivS79g (https://youtu.be/aaxKIivS79g) (don't let the BLM ad throw you)
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Prayers up for your family. The Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc Sulfate regimen is back, having been shown to be most effective in early onset. Just saying. https://youtu.be/aaxKIivS79g (https://youtu.be/aaxKIivS79g) (don't let the BLM ad throw you)
@Smokin Joe
I'd let her on my porch too,as long as he promised to never say anything or ask for anything. She could growl and try to scare away the bear that keeps taking a dump in my yard.
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Anecdotal, I know, but FWIW:
Darla Shine @DarlaShine
Just spoke an ER doc in S Florida, asked if his ER is full, he said "hospitals are full cuz once we opened people booked their elected surgeries and we're full w that not full w #COVID cases."
Why don't reporters go to these hospitals and interview doctors and patients?
11:11 AM · Jul 11, 2020
John Cardillo @johncardillo
True. And a friend of mine who’s an ER doc dealing with COVID told me earlier that he had today off because ER admissions were way down, and pretty much back to normal.
6:43 PM · Jul 11, 2020
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Anecdotal, I know, but FWIW:
I've posted the Kinsa HealthWeather link every now and then. Flu-like illnesses remain well below averages.
If an outbreak is bound to hit, it is best that it hits in the summer, since other seasonal illnesses are at their minimums. Part of the reason New York hit capacity is because they couldn't tell COVID from the tail end of the seasonal flu and were still dealing with both. We don't have that crisis right now. There are virtually no other illnesses going around.
The only places on Kinsa's map showing any remarkable amount of above-average illness are Austin and San Antonio. Some scattered counties in the south, along with the Central Valley and Bay Area in California, are up to near-average. It's striking, really, to see how much of a difference the media narrative, enabled by Johns Hopkins, differs from the reality on the ground.
Somewhere along the line, the goalposts shifted from preventing the hospital system from overloading to "stop the virus at all costs, however long it takes." Considering how badly things are going in Mexico, the latter was never an option, especially considering it has generally worked best in East Asia and Oceania, which is all either islands (Japan, Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia) or isolated peninsulae (Vietnam, South Korea)—where the threat of it being reintroduced across land borders is nil. There's a lot more control over who gets into your country in such a situation. The only places that have that kind of advantage here in the western hemisphere are Newfoundland (which has been practically COVID-free for months now) and the Caribbean.
There was another map somewhere showing doctors' visits, but I don't remember where that one is.
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07-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.894 ↑ | 1.591↓ |
| United States | 10.847 ↑ | 2.251 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, and AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +478.
FL, TX, CA, AZ, & NJ account for half of today's deaths.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 968,688
Estimated US infection - 7.1%
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It looks like my family is about to be directly touched by Covid-19... My daughter visited some friends in Los Angeles and now those friends are sick with a couple of them testing positive for Covid-19. My daughter since has been with her mom and sister for the last 10 days in Central California and now she's coming down with something. It isn't known for certain yet but the odds are pretty high she has it. My wife recently turned 60 and she went to California to visit a number of close friends for her birthday. We live in Arizona. So it is complicated, and getting more complicated...
Prayers sent
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Prayers sent
Thank you. We are waiting to see where it goes.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y&feature=youtu.be#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y&feature=youtu.be#)
Good information -- gee -- who would have guess the political and $$$$ machine behind all of this? *****rollingeyes*****
4,000 people is quite a considerable number who were treated with Ivermectin and didn't get sick.
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This has been studied on cells in a lab and not on humans -- but I think I'd take my chances.
The trials so far have shown ivermectin reduces the number of cell-associated viral RNA by 99.8 % in 24 hours. This was an in vitro study which means they were testing cells in a laboratory and not in a living organism.
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/ivermectin-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535912/ (https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/ivermectin-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535912/)
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This has been studied on cells in a lab and not on humans -- but I think I'd take my chances.
The trials so far have shown ivermectin reduces the number of cell-associated viral RNA by 99.8 % in 24 hours. This was an in vitro study which means they were testing cells in a laboratory and not in a living organism.
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/ivermectin-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535912/ (https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/ivermectin-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535912/)
I have used that stuff on our pups for the last 20 years for heartworm prevention. Not one of the bunch ever got it either.
1:10 dillution, and then one ml per 20 pounds of dog, given orally. We have saved a ton of money vs the high price scripts the Vet offers. happy77
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I have used that stuff on our pups for the last 20 years for heartworm prevention. Not one of the bunch ever got it either.
1:10 dillution, and then one ml per 20 pounds of dog, given orally. We have saved a ton of money vs the high price scripts the Vet offers. happy77
We also give this to our dog.
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In other words, the general pattern has been that the earlier the peak was, the higher the fatality rate. Since testing capacity was so low at the early part of the outbreak, that's to be expected.
Could the current Mexican wave be less deadly than the Italian wave? Perhaps—we do know the pattern of infection is far different because of the lack of lockdowns.
More likely they know how to treat it better now resulting in fewer deaths.
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07-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 13.950 ↑ | 1.594↑ |
| United States | 11.011 ↑ | 2.250 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US reported Recovery-to-Death ratio surpasses 11.
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, AZ, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +128.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 982,211.
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Just don't light a match ...
CABBAGE DIET HOPE Eating sauerkraut, coleslaw and raw cabbage ‘could protect against coronavirus’
Exclusive
Nick McDermott
13 Jul 2020, 0:01Updated: 13 Jul 2020, 0:02
SCOFFING sauerkraut, coleslaw and kimchi could protect against Covid death, scientists claim.
Experts think foods containing raw and fermented cabbage may be beneficial against the bug, by slashing levels of a compound that helps the virus infect the body.
European researchers say it may explain why countries like Germany and South Korea - where it forms a key part of their diet - have had lower fatalities during the pandemic.
Other foods, such as fermented milks, could also protect against Covid in the same way. ...
Full story at the Sun (U.K.) (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12104493/cabbage-could-protect-against-coronavirus/).
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CABBAGE DIET HOPE Eating sauerkraut, coleslaw and raw cabbage ‘could protect against coronavirus’
There are some things even a virus is afraid of,and entering houses with that diet plan has to be close to the top of the "avoid list".
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Just don't light a match ...Full story at the Sun (U.K.) (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12104493/cabbage-could-protect-against-coronavirus/).
Apparently it's the "fermented" part of the dishes that provide the protection. This is good news to me, because I enjoy fermented hops and barley every day. :beer:
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Maskerade: COVID-1984 and evidence-free compulsory masking (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/maskerade-covid-1984-evidence-free-compulsory-masking/)
"The masks, contrary to expectation, were worn cheerfully and universally, and also, contrary to expectation of what should follow under such circumstances, no effect on the epidemic curve was to be seen. Something was plainly wrong with our hypotheses."
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An update.
My daughter's friend has tested negative for Covid-19 so it is likely just a cold that they both have... My daughter's test hasn't come back yet but I expect it to be the same. So my family is packing up in California and plans on coming back home to Arizona tomorrow.
Thank you for the kinds thoughts and prayers.
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An update.
My daughter's friend has tested negative for Covid-19 so it is likely just a cold that they both have... My daughter's test hasn't come back yet but I expect it to be the same. So my family is packing up in California and plans on coming back home to Arizona tomorrow.
Thank you for the kinds thoughts and prayers.
Oh man, I hope that sticks!
Let's pray that one over the line... :beer: :seeya:
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Oh man, I hope that sticks!
Let's pray that one over the line... :beer: :seeya:
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07-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.032 ↑ | 1.594 - |
| United States | 11.208 ↑ | 2.246 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Global reported Recovery-to-Death ratio surpasses 14.
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +55.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 994,095.
Half of todays's reported deaths occurred in TX, CA, NY, FL, & NJ.
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Censored: A Review Of Science Relevant To COVID-19 Social Policy And Why Face Masks Don’t Work (https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/)
Denis Rancourt, PhD, has published over 100 peer-reviewed studies in his career, but ResearchGate choose to censor and remove this paper because it didn’t fit the narrative of the Great Panic of 2020 over COVID-19. Such censorship proves the existence of an alternative agenda.
Again, this underscores the Technocrat methodology of shaming, ridiculing and censoring anybody that comes forth with real science that refutes their pseudo-science. ⃠TN Editor
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Censored: A Review Of Science Relevant To COVID-19 Social Policy And Why Face Masks Don’t Work (https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/)
There was no mention of the eyes.
If the eyes aren't covered and the virus is in the air then it will be in your eyes too.
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There was no mention of the eyes.
If the eyes aren't covered and the virus is in the air then it will be in your eyes too.
What would be the point of talking about the eyes when the mask is useless to begin with?
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Does wearing a mask help prevent the coronavirus? Probably, but it's hardly the most important precaution one can take.
But here's what I do know - wearing a mask helps prevent my Dem governor from shutting down my business. It's the sort of virtue signaling that liberals like and respond to. And when it's liberals who hold the power to determine whether we can work to earn a living, then yeah, if you won't wear a mask for yourself, then do it for your neighbor stuck in this hell with you.
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The First Country to win against Covid-19
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2914316215291285 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2914316215291285)
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Does wearing a mask help prevent the coronavirus? Probably, but it's hardly the most important precaution one can take.
But here's what I do know - wearing a mask helps prevent my Dem governor from shutting down my business. It's the sort of virtue signaling that liberals like and respond to. And when it's liberals who hold the power to determine whether we can work to earn a living, then yeah, if you won't wear a mask for yourself, then do it for your neighbor stuck in this hell with you.
Wearing a mask is ok when you are putting a hood on some miscreant polly.
Wait..did I repeat myself???
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07-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.116 ↑ | 1.593 ↓ |
| United States | 11.500 ↑ | 2.215 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Thirty-nine deaths have disappeared from the previous day total, making today's increase in death look larger than it actually is. My calculation is based on original reported number for 7/13 (138,247).
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, AZ, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -97.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 988,515.
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The First Country to win against Covid-19
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2914316215291285 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2914316215291285)
In fairness, those countries don't have Democrats.
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07-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.116 ↑ | 1.593 ↓ |
| United States | 11.500 ↑ | 2.215 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Thirty-nine deaths have disappeared from the previous day total, making today's increase in death look larger than it actually is. My calculation is based on original reported number for 7/13 (138,247).
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, AZ, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -97.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 988,515.
According to the website conflicting numbers are from the people reporting conflicting numbers and the worldometer is doing the best it can to parse the info.
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I will reiterate on this page... A little experiment for y'all:
Put on your mask long enough to get a normal water load... 10 or 15 minutes...
Light up a smoke, take a drag, and with your mask back in place, stand in front of a mirror and exhale.
Masks don't work, and you will prove it.
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I will reiterate on this page... A little experiment for y'all:
Put on your mask long enough to get a normal water load... 10 or 15 minutes...
Light up a smoke, take a drag, and with your mask back in place, stand in front of a mirror and exhale.
Masks don't work, and you will prove it.
Had the same discussion with spouse. Decent rule of thumb is that if you can blow out a candle through your mask, what the hell good is it for protecting you?
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Had the same discussion with spouse. Decent rule of thumb is that if you can blow out a candle through your mask, what the hell good is it for protecting you?
That's right. And yes, it is that simple.
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The mask has nothing to do with protecting anybody or anything.
It is about power. It is about virtue signaling. It is about submission.
The American Left has become as pro-mask as they are pro-abortion.
We all know the Left is never satisfied with their own life.
Their goal is always about directing YOUR life, how your live, what you can think.
The mask is an insertion, a disruption, of your life.
This is what the American Left lives for.
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I will reiterate on this page... A little experiment for y'all:
Put on your mask long enough to get a normal water load... 10 or 15 minutes...
Light up a smoke, take a drag, and with your mask back in place, stand in front of a mirror and exhale.
Masks don't work, and you will prove it.
Bigun's link above http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2249434.html#msg2249434 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395911.msg2249434.html#msg2249434) is pretty definitive on the subject...
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The mask has nothing to do with protecting anybody or anything.
It is about power. It is about virtue signaling. It is about submission.
The American Left has become as pro-mask as they are pro-abortion.
We all know the Left is never satisfied with their own life.
Their goal is always about directing YOUR life, how your live, what you can think.
The mask is an insertion, a disruption, of your life.
This is what the American Left lives for.
Telling me I can't go to a movie or restaurant, get my hair cut or even work for a living is "directing my life". I could care less about an order to wear a mask, when it is the key to getting the damn state's knee off my neck.
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Telling me I can't go to a movie or restaurant, get my hair cut or even work for a living is "directing my life". I could care less about an order to wear a mask, when it is the key to getting the damn state's knee off my neck.
But it doesn't. It just puts their tag on your collar.
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We all know the Left is never satisfied with their own life.
Their goal is always about directing YOUR life, how your live, what you can think.
The mask is an insertion, a disruption, of your life.
This is what the American Left lives for.
Correctamundo.
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Mr. M was in a McDonald's yesterday and overheard a group of older folks talking. One fellow recounted how he, his wife and another couple went together for their Covid tests, for which they, apparently, had appointments. He said they ended up waiting four hours before being tested. He didn't mention what time of day that finally occured, but you have to figure it was afternoon, at least.
The very next day, he received via U.S. Mail a letter advising that he tested positive. So did the others. Gee, that was quick. Both the labs and the U.S. Mail have become extraordinarily efficient in these uncertain times!
Of course, the fact that he "tested positive" and was sitting in a McDonald's may indicate he didn't believe it any more than I do (unless he experienced a miraculously quick recovery)! :laugh:
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Mr. M was in a McDonald's yesterday and overheard a group of older folks talking. One fellow recounted how he, his wife and another couple went together for their Covid tests, for which they, apparently, had appointments. He said they ended up waiting four hours before being tested. He didn't mention what time of day that finally occured, but you have to figure it was afternoon, at least.
The very next day, he received via U.S. Mail a letter advising that he tested positive. So did the others. Gee, that was quick. Both the labs and the U.S. Mail have become extraordinarily efficient in these uncertain times!
Of course, the fact that he "tested positive" and was sitting in a McDonald's may indicate he didn't believe it any more than I do (unless he experienced a miraculously quick recovery)! :laugh:
Friend of mine went in for a COVID test. They ended up walking out since it was taking so long and never got tested. The next day they received a letter indicating they tested positive....lololol.
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Friend of mine went in for a COVID test. They ended up walking out since it was taking so long and never got tested. The next day they received a letter indicating they tested positive....lololol.
Maybe that is who so many folk "get" covid and never have symptoms... lol
Why is that funny...
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Even though I haven't been tested and have not contacted anyone about even the possibility of being tested, I'm still waiting for my positive test results to come any day now! :pondering:
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Telling me I can't go to a movie or restaurant, get my hair cut or even work for a living is "directing my life". I could care less about an order to wear a mask, when it is the key to getting the damn state's knee off my neck.
HAHAHA! You think they'll let off because you comply. How quaint...
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Friend of mine went in for a COVID test. They ended up walking out since it was taking so long and never got tested. The next day they received a letter indicating they tested positive....lololol.
That is scary. Either they are so corrupt they are padding their case load, or someone DIDN"T get their test result.
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Even though I haven't been tested and have not contacted anyone about even the possibility of being tested, I'm still waiting for my positive test results to come any day now! :pondering:
My health insurance carrier has informed me that they are sending me some kind of test kit in the mail. I hope they don't mind waiting for me to return it. Might be awhile.
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Friend of mine went in for a COVID test. They ended up walking out since it was taking so long and never got tested. The next day they received a letter indicating they tested positive....lololol.
Yep. Read an article recently where the nurses in a hospital became suspicious, because every swab they sent in for testing came back positive. How can this be?
So they started sending in swabs which were brand new never used, straight out of the box.
First they sent in half a dozen, all came back positive.
Then they sent in a couple of dozen sterile swabs just to see?
They all came back positive. Nobody really knows what the truth is.
If you want to crash America, which Leftists certainly do, then you want to keep the COVID thing going until the next election. After the election, if Democrats win, COVID will disappear in one day. Just like it never happened.
All the COVID numbers are fake. They want to hurt Trump in any way they can, no matter what. Even if it means killing themselves in the process. Liberals are new Kamikazi. They are the new Al Quaeda.
They are willing to sacrifice themselves and their own children, if it could possibly hurt Trump somehow. That's how fanatical they have become.
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My health insurance carrier has informed me that they are sending me some kind of test kit in the mail. I hope they don't mind waiting for me to return it. Might be awhile.
What's the difference.
COVID is so political these days if they say you are positive how can you know it's true?
I had Colonoscopy recently with some 'hack' doctor. Took him 4 weeks to give me the results.
And the results were stupid. He tried to convince me that I have hemorrhoids.
But I don't have hemorrhoids? I think I would know.
I think I would know if I have hemorrhoids. He mixed my exam up with someone else.
The point is, if you have COVID you will more than likely know it, with or without any fake 'test'.
And even if you really do have it, you have a less than 1% chance of needing hospital care.
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My health insurance carrier has informed me that they are sending me some kind of test kit in the mail. I hope they don't mind waiting for me to return it. Might be awhile.
You could take the test kit outside, set it afire, dig a hole and bury the ashes in the back yard - and you'll still get a letter in a few days informing you of your test results (positive, of course).
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You could take the test kit outside, set it afire, dig a hole and bury the ashes in the back yard - and you'll still get a letter in a few days informing you of your test results (positive, of course).
LOL! Very likely! :beer:
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What would be the point of talking about the eyes when the mask is useless to begin with?
@Bigun
Not to mention it is a freaking virus,which means it is in the air,on the floor,the doorknobs,the table you sit at,the chair you sit in,the clothes you are wearing,the car you are driving,and last but not least,the home you live in and on the skin of everybody in that home.
SOOOO,how the BLEEP are we supposed to be able to avoid it?
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@Bigun
Not to mention it is a freaking virus,which means it is in the air,on the floor,the doorknobs,the table you sit at,the chair you sit in,the clothes you are wearing,the car you are driving,and last but not least,the home you live in and on the skin of everybody in that home.
SOOOO,how the BLEEP are we supposed to be able to avoid it?
Shrink wrap. Of course, your demise will be credited to COVID-19.
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Shrink wrap. Of course, your demise will be credited to COVID-19.
:yowsa: Getting run over by a truck qualifies as a COVID death these days.
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:yowsa: Getting run over by a truck qualifies as a COVID death these days.
Yeah, that's right up there with falling in a rock crusher or wood chipper.
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Friend of mine went in for a COVID test. They ended up walking out since it was taking so long and never got tested. The next day they received a letter indicating they tested positive....lololol.
My biggest fear against testing is that they will purposely infect me with a contaminated test swab.
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My biggest fear against testing is that they will purposely infect me with a contaminated test swab.
My biggest fear is a false positive that will cost my family not only my paycheck until I can get a negative test, but quite possibly a small fortune for medical care I don't need.
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My biggest fear is a false positive that will cost my family not only my paycheck until I can get a negative test, but quite possibly a small fortune for medical care I don't need.
And then there's that. As a contractor, I would be screwed out of at least 4 weeks of pay with a positive result.
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And then there's that. As a contractor, I would be screwed out of at least 4 weeks of pay with a positive result.
As an employee, so would I. There is no unemployment for people who are not considered able to work.
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Gah. If you think getting tested for COVID and immediately have it is bad, how do you think I feel?
I went to get tested for COVID and got back a positive test result...I am pregnant...
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Gah. If you think getting tested for COVID and immediately have it is bad, how do you think I feel?
I went to get tested for COVID and got back a positive test result...I am pregnant...
Congratulations!
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Congratulations!
Thank you!
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Gah. If you think getting tested for COVID and immediately have it is bad, how do you think I feel?
I went to get tested for COVID and got back a positive test result...I am pregnant...
Fred, you just won the lottery!
Imagine how much the book rights would be worth...
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Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/ (https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/)
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Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/ (https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/)
So, do these hundreds of "unnamed experts" ever talk to one another?
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Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/ (https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/)
"They jus' stokin' the coals, Boss!"
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Fred, you just won the lottery!
Imagine how much the book rights would be worth...
I don't know about winning the lottery but at least I qualify for Medicaid.
I don't know what a book is. Something about a fire. And rights were like so far back in time no one knows what they are anymore. :shrug:
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Experts warn getting COVID testing results too late could make testing useless
https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/ (https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/experts-warn-getting-covid-testing-results-too-late-could-make-testing-useless/)
@jmyrlefuller
If I didn't know better and If I were the suspicious type,I MIGHT begin to suspect there was money being made giving these tests/
Gee,I wonder if anyone we know bought stock several months ago in any of the companies that provide the tests and/or gives them?
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About one month ago, I was offered an unsolicited test by Quest, and separately by the VA.
During a previous discussion with my primary physician, he said tests only with symptoms. He also said antibody tests have high error rate. Therefore they can give false sense of immunity, and therefore encourage unsafe behavior.
I get my temperature taken every 2-3 days at physical therapy. So I'll use them and symptoms as my initial screen, unless a physician directs me otherwise.
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@jmyrlefuller
If I didn't know better and If I were the suspicious type,I MIGHT begin to suspect there was money being made giving these tests/
Gee,I wonder if anyone we know bought stock several months ago in any of the companies that provide the tests and/or gives them?
I would say so and I'd also say that there are a whole lot of people making some money off of this "pandemic". The Kushner brothers come to mind -- one of their companies was/is an Obamacare insurer. Labs have to be making a boat load of money, big pharma research, medical supply companies, etc.
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07-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.287 ↑ | 1.583↓ |
| United States | 11.745 ↑ | 2.197 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +107.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 993,851.
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Thanks @mountaineer! I'm fixin to make this as famous as I know how!
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Thanks @mountaineer! I'm fixin to make this as famous as I know how!
While you are at it...I'm still pregnant....
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While you are at it...I'm still pregnant....
YOU are gonna be filthy rich!
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YOU are gonna be filthy rich!
Well, he's half-way there... Now to work on the rich part... :whistle:
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Well, he's half-way there... Now to work on the rich part... :whistle:
Workin on my second million..... gave up on the first...
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Workin on my second million..... gave up on the first...
Good man! That's the way you do it (play the guitar on the MTV) :laugh: :beer:
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07-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.599 ↑ | 1.559 ↓ |
| United States | 11.902 ↑ | 2.200 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +18.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,014,933.
The 14-day recovery deficit surpasses 1 million. It shows that 35.8% of cases at least 14 days old remain classified as 'unresolved'. That is 1 million people who have survived/recovered, but are still listed as sick. If those people were listed as 'Recovered', then our Recovery-to-death ratio would be 19.1.
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07-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.599 ↑ | 1.559 ↓ |
| United States | 11.902 ↑ | 2.200 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +18.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,014,933.
The 14-day recovery deficit surpasses 1 million. It shows that 35.8% of cases at least 14 days old remain classified as 'unresolved'. That is 1 million people who have survived/recovered, but are still listed as sick. If those people were listed as 'Recovered', then our Recovery-to-death ratio would be 19.1.
Thanks for repeating the explanation of the recovery deficit. I'd wager a good number of those are months old.
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Emerald Robinson âœï¸
@EmeraldRobinson
BREAKING: Sources inside Trump Administration confirm to me that CDC has been misreporting the data for coronavirus to inflate the numbers.
6:35 AM · Jul 17, 2020
Emerald Robinson âœï¸
@EmeraldRobinson
Trump Administration official tells me that CDC was taking 7 WEEKS to compile & release key coronavirus stats.
Under pressure, CDC started reporting that data with 3 week lag.
So HHS took over data reporting from CDC.
HHS is able to compile & report this data daily.
7:39 AM · Jul 17, 2020
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Meanwhile a 20 something who died in a motorcycle crash in Orlando was added to the lists of deaths caused by the virus.
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Emerald Robinson âœï¸
@EmeraldRobinson
BREAKING: Sources inside Trump Administration confirm to me that CDC has been misreporting the data for coronavirus to inflate the numbers.
6:35 AM · Jul 17, 2020
Emerald Robinson âœï¸
@EmeraldRobinson
Trump Administration official tells me that CDC was taking 7 WEEKS to compile & release key coronavirus stats.
Under pressure, CDC started reporting that data with 3 week lag.
So HHS took over data reporting from CDC.
HHS is able to compile & report this data daily.
7:39 AM · Jul 17, 2020
So, the second peak that we are supposedly looking at more shut downs actually occurred 7 weeks ago?
Am I reading this right?
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So, the second peak that we are supposedly looking at more shut downs actually occurred 7 weeks ago?
Am I reading this right?
That's what it sounds like to me.
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It has recently come to light that if a CV positive person is tested again that gets reported as another case and it's true no matter how many times that same person gets tested.
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Thanks for repeating the explanation of the recovery deficit. I'd wager a good number of those are months old.
They are. Case in point: The Grand Princess cruise ship. This ship docked in Oakland on March 9. Three days prior, test kits had been given out to all the passengers. A total of 103 (around 9%) tested positive. Three of the 103 died. The remaining 100 are still listed as active cases. Not one is listed as recovered. Not a single one. It has been 133 days since the tests were given. You would think that after four months, someone could classify these 100 persons as 'recovered'. But no.
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They are. Case in point: The Grand Princess cruise ship. This ship docked in Oakland on March 9. Three days prior, test kits had been given out to all the passengers. A total of 103 (around 9%) tested positive. Three of the 103 died. The remaining 100 are still listed as active cases. Not one is listed as recovered. Not a single one. It has been 133 days since the tests were given. You would think that after four months, someone could classify these 100 persons as 'recovered'. But no.
If you have no symptoms and thus not ever treated for anything, HOW can you recover?
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If you have no symptoms and thus not ever treated for anything, HOW can you recover?
Another great point. Every asymptomatic person out there who tested positive will forever be considered an active case.
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Another great point. Every asymptomatic person out there who tested positive will forever be considered an active case.
That would require a follow-up test, and who's going to do that when benefiting from a large number of "active" cases?
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Another great point. Every asymptomatic person out there who tested positive will forever be considered an active case.
These cases s/b considered good news, as each represent steps toward the end of this thing - we’re that much closer to group immunity and at the same time the virus is growing weaker.
Instead we’re acting to prolong the crisis by closing things down.
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These cases s/b considered good news, as each represent steps toward the end of this thing - we’re that much closer to group immunity and at the same time the virus is growing weaker.
Instead we’re acting to prolong the crisis by closing things down.
Yep. The purpose behind the spring lockdown was to make sure we did not reach immunity before the election.
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Yep. The purpose behind the spring lockdown was to make sure we did not reach immunity before the election.
... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.
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If you have no symptoms and thus not ever treated for anything, HOW can you recover?
@Bigun
Excellent observation!
BTW,just out of curiosity,do you have any guns that aren't "bi"?
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@Bigun
Excellent observation!
BTW,just out of curiosity,do you have any guns that aren't "bi"?
And most strikingly is the strong but steady drop of deaths per day nationwide since this thing started. Data is there..... they just won't report it;
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These cases s/b considered good news, as each represent steps toward the end of this thing - we’re that much closer to group immunity and at the same time the virus is growing weaker.
Instead we’re acting to prolong the crisis by closing things down.
@skeeter
The DNC NEEDS this to keep Biden off the campaign trail.
Can you imagine what would have happened to his campaign by now if he had continued making public appearances?
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@Bigun
Excellent observation!
BTW,just out of curiosity,do you have any guns that aren't "bi"?
:mauslaff:
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@skeeter
The DNC NEEDS this to keep Biden off the campaign trail.
Can you imagine what would have happened to his campaign by now if he had continued making public appearances?
This Covid thing is a gift to the rats in numerous ways.
What can you say about a political party who's greatest asset is a global pandemic.
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This Covid thing is a gift to the rats in numerous ways.
What can you say about a political party who's greatest asset is a global pandemic.
@skeeter
Given that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,it's all just a little "toooo convenient" for me to accept it was an accident.
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@skeeter
Given that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,it's all just a little "toooo convenient" for me to accept it was an accident.
I'm quite sure the rats are working in tandem with the Chicoms. I hope someone at DOJ is watching.
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I'm quite sure the rats are working in tandem with the Chicoms. I hope someone at DOJ is watching.
:yowsa: but the PROBLEM is that it isn't only rats doing that! Mitt Romney. I rest my case!
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An Argentine crew spent 35 days at sea and tested negative for coronavirus beforehand after a two-week quarantine—and they still got sick.
Something is not right.
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html
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An Argentine crew spent 35 days at sea and tested negative for coronavirus beforehand after a two-week quarantine—and they still got sick.
Something is not right.
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html (https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html)
Very poorly written piece.... the chronology is really muddy. Mandatory isolation after they return but tested negative prior to the isolation but the trawler returned because they were sick????
That said, something is wrong...
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... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.
IIRC we're at day 122 of the 15 day lockdown to "flatten the curve"
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@skeeter
Given that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,it's all just a little "toooo convenient" for me to accept it was an accident.
YOU are a cynical SOB @sneakypete ! Join the club! And don't forget DIFI's long time driver turned out to be a CHICOM agent.
wink777 :beer:
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... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.
The CHICOM military has been wargaming this stuff for at least ten years that we know of. Looks to me like they have it down pretty good.
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IIRC we're at day 122 of the 15 day lockdown to "flatten the curve"
I'm kind of partial to curves......
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I'm kind of partial to curves......
:cool:
You and me both brother...you and me both. :beer:
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An Argentine crew spent 35 days at sea and tested negative for coronavirus beforehand after a two-week quarantine—and they still got sick.
Something is not right.
https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html
Clearly, one or more of the sailors violated quarantine. Two weeks elapsed from the time they got tested to the time they left port. Anything could have happened. Who washed their laundry, changed out their towels, or served their meals during that time?
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It has recently come to light that if a CV positive person is tested again that gets reported as another case and it's true no matter how many times that same person gets tested.
In some places. Here the counter is the number of unique individuals tested.
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In some places. Here the counter is the number of unique individuals tested.
You live in a state that doesn't stand to gain a lot from fudging the numbers. The polar opposite of the rat-infested states of NY, CA, MI and NJ.
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Clearly, one or more of the sailors violated quarantine. Two weeks elapsed from the time they got tested to the time they left port. Anything could have happened. Who washed their laundry, changed out their towels, or served their meals during that time?
But the sickness did not start until five weeks after leaving port. It would have been impossible to have spread from someone already sick if that were the case.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that this is indeed airborne.
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But the sickness did not start until five weeks after leaving port. It would have been impossible to have spread from someone already sick if that were the case.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that this is indeed airborne.
"It's hard to establish how this crew was infected, considering that for 35 days, they had no contact with dry land and that supplies were only brought in from the port of Ushuaia," said Alejandra Alfaro, the director of primary health care in Tierra del Fuego.
So they had contact with supply ships during that time.
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... And when that was not enough, and the damn thing was going away... Riots!
What a coincidence.
My little tinfoil hat self says those were just the excuse for the travel that was used to redistribute the virus for the next wave.
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You live in a state that doesn't stand to gain a lot from fudging the numbers. The polar opposite of the rat-infested states of NY, CA, MI and NJ.
Perhaps, but we're at an all time high for new cases...
Which begs the question about hot weather (90 degrees and sorta dry here today).
Wasn't that supposed to kill this stuff>> or did they lie about that, too?
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Perhaps, but we're at an all time high for new cases...
Which begs the question about hot weather (90 degrees and sorta dry here today).
Wasn't that supposed to kill this stuff>> or did they lie about that, too?
They threw a whole lot of bad information at us. They told us masks were useless, until there were enough masks to force the entire population to use them, and now they're a Magical Pixie-Dust all-purpose talisman and if we don't all obey, we'll all die horribly (women and children hardest hit). People have been shot over wearing masks.
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Perhaps, but we're at an all time high for new cases...
Which begs the question about hot weather (90 degrees and sorta dry here today).
Wasn't that supposed to kill this stuff>> or did they lie about that, too?
It's hot temperatures and high humidity that kills it, not dry. And sunshine, too.
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It's hot temperatures and high humidity that kills it, not dry. And sunshine, too.
Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
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Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
It's hot here in AZ... It is 106 right now and supposed to be 111 Sunday. It was 115 not long ago. The humidity has been low, about 4% a couple of weeks ago, but is finally rising for monsoon season.
The claim is humidity is the biggest factor on how long it can survive in the air. The higher humidity the shorter the survival time.
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Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
AZ is dry and hot --- so I don't think the heat has much of an impact.
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Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
Arizona is very dry. Virus likes it dry. The White House published numbers on this a few months back on temperatures, humidity levels, and UV radiation. The higher the humidity, the less likely the virus can survive in the open.
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Arizona is very dry. Virus likes it dry. The White House published numbers on this a few months back on temperatures, humidity levels, and UV radiation. The higher the humidity, the less likely the virus can survive in the open.
You'd think it would be dying out in humid places, but the problem is that we cannot believe the numbers we're hearing. My former hometown, St. Louis, is incredibly hot and humid in the summer, but you can bet the "official" numbers show no decline - no matter what's actually happening. (Just checked the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/coronavirus/covid-19-in-missouri-and-illinois-by-the-numbers/article_d0bff1ee-83d9-540b-bbfd-5e38830b4ffe.html) and, you got it, new positive cases going up, up, up).
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Sunlight, Humidity Damages Novel Coronavirus, Says the White House
Nikhila Natrajan | IANS24 April 2020TWC India
~ In a room at 70-75ºF (21-23ºC) temperature with 20 percent humidity, the half life of the virus is about an hour, according to Bryan. "But you get outside and it cuts down to a minute and a half, very significant difference when it when it gets hit with UV rays," he said.
According to the same research, the virus' half life on surfaces reduces dramatically with a combination increase of temperature and humidity. When the temperate is kept constant at 70-75ºF (21-23ºC) and only the humidity is cranked up from 20 percent to 80 percent, the virus' half life is shown to crash from 18 hours to 6 hours. If the temperature is increased to 95ºF (35ºC), the half life sinks to barely 60 minutes.
Bryan said this testing was done at DHS' advanced bio containment lab in Maryland, just outside the national capital. Pointing to charts with data from experiments on the coronavirus, Bryan said the virus' half life plunges "drastically" with exposure to higher temperatures and even minimal exposure to humidity.~
https://weather.com/en-IN/india/coronavirus/news/2020-04-24-sunlight-humidity-damages-novel-coronavirus-says-the-white-house
All this information was shared during a white house press conference. But the only takeaway the press reported that day was that Trump recommended drinking bleach. Remember that day? This was crucial information on the spread of the virus from discharges from the nose and mouth. And the press completely ignored it.
Keep in mind though that although your typical Phoenix summer temp is 110+. But 99.9999% of the people remain indoors where it is much cooler (and even more dry). The point is that if you stay indoors sharing the airspace with infected people, you are much more likely to contract the virus than if you hang out at a sunny beach with the same people.
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Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
And the dew point has been increasing. It's not Monsoon level yet but it's working on it. We had 120 here on Sunday.
I thought the heat thing was BS from the start. The first hot spots were in the southern tier of states.
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My former hometown, St. Louis, is incredibly hot and humid in the summer, but you can bet the "official" numbers show no decline - no matter what's actually happening.
Indoors, it is cool, dry, and no UV radiation. Just like a cave that bats live in. Coincidence?
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Arizona is very dry. Virus likes it dry. The White House published numbers on this a few months back on temperatures, humidity levels, and UV radiation. The higher the humidity, the less likely the virus can survive in the open.
Okay, it travels in droplets but likes it dry? 9999hair out0000
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Okay, it travels in droplets but likes it dry? 9999hair out0000
That's my problem... it seems like a new rule comes out everyday and contradicts the rule from yesterday....
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Okay, it travels in droplets but likes it dry? 9999hair out0000
Apparently that is also how the regular flu virus behaves. It isn't known why and seems contrary to what one would think. There are several theories that are being studied.
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Okay, it travels in droplets but likes it dry? 9999hair out0000
Maybe higher humidity causes droplets to weigh down and fall more easily instead of remaining airborne.
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From DHS:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E94pqy2rB7g#)
For me, the fact that the press completely ignored this gives it more credibility.
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From DHS:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E94pqy2rB7g#)
For me, the fact that the press completely ignored this gives it more credibility.
SO, basically, air conditioning (cooler, drier, air) extends the viral half life.
Recall when Trump got the horse laugh over piping sunlight into the lungs?
Well, duh.
High temp, high humidity, and add that UV exposure and that crap dies off fast.
I wonder if there is a way to incorporate fiber optics into intubation tubing to shine doses of UV into the lungs of later stage covid victims?
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SO, basically, air conditioning (cooler, drier, air) extends the viral half life.
Recall when Trump got the horse laugh over piping sunlight into the lungs?
It was during this same presser.
High temp, high humidity, and add that UV exposure and that crap dies off fast.
Yep. And the press continues to ignore it.
I wonder if there is a way to incorporate fiber optics into intubation tubing to shine doses of UV into the lungs of later stage covid victims?
Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment (https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b)
ENGLEWOOD, CO / ACCESSWIRE / April 20, 2020 / Aytu BioScience, Inc. (NASDAQ:AYTU) (the “Companyâ€), a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on commercializing novel products that address significant patient needs announced today that it has signed an exclusive worldwide license from Cedars-Sinai to develop and commercialize the Healight Platform Technology (“Healightâ€). This medical device technology platform, discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, is being studied as a potential first-in-class treatment for coronavirus and other respiratory infections.
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That's my problem... it seems like a new rule comes out everyday and contradicts the rule from yesterday....
888high58888
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From DHS:
For me, the fact that the press completely ignored this gives it more credibility.
I wonder if there is a current version.... This one is 2 months old..
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My little tinfoil hat self says those were just the excuse for the travel that was used to redistribute the virus for the next wave.
How hard would it be to seed the crowd with a few infected asymptomatic folks... I Have no proof, but how convenient... Especially with every city center standing down ad letting it happen... It's almost a textbook move.
I can't prove it. But it has a stench.
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Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
HoldOnNow... Like anybody is outside in that... They are all in the HVAC, right?
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Indoors, it is cool, dry, and no UV radiation. Just like a cave that bats live in. Coincidence?
Kinda like AZ in the air conditioning too
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YOU are a cynical SOB @sneakypete ! Join the club! And don't forget DIFI's long time driver turned out to be a CHICOM agent.
wink777 :beer:
@Bigun
"Driver"?????? What an odd way to spell "bagman".
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Isn't AZ in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
@Hoodat @catfish1957
Isn't Arizona ALWAYS in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
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I’m having a debate right now and need to know if the increased in positive COVID tests we keep hearing about are for current infections or for antibodies. Does anyone know?
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Not for antibody tests.
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Not for antibody tests.
ok thanks!
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Perhaps, but we're at an all time high for new cases...
Which begs the question about hot weather (90 degrees and sorta dry here today).
Wasn't that supposed to kill this stuff>> or did they lie about that, too?
Just a thought here --- I'm looking back a few months here in FL, when the rest of the country was being affected with the virus most of the country had cold weather and the virus spread, also people were indoors more, while in FL our temperatures were in the low to mid 80's and at times lower, so people didn't run their A/C as much, windows open, more people outside, humidity is normally higher here than the rest of the country and our case numbers were very low. Now it's just the opposite -- just about every residential dwelling is running their A/C and our cases are skyrocketing. Most of us go outside in the heat for a little bit at least and many have pools -- but commercial still has to run A/C -- so many our going from A/C to A/C. On the other coast of FL lots of illegals and definitely a lot more high rise apartment buildings, multiple family dwellings, multiple families living in small quarters -- their cases have always been high. Over the 4th holiday they shut the beaches down there -- guess who came to our coast to use our beaches? Now our cases are skyrocketing.
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I’m having a debate right now and need to know if the increased in positive COVID tests we keep hearing about are for current infections or for antibodies. Does anyone know?
What is the debate? Plague or pandemic?
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@Hoodat @catfish1957
Isn't Arizona ALWAYS in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
Unless it is 100-110 F
Or you are at high altitudes, and it is 90
Seriously people studying this disease, have found that Vitamin D helps, and sunlight is a source of D, along with dietary supplements.
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Unless it is 100-110 F
Or you are at high altitudes, and it is 90
Seriously people studying this disease, have found that Vitamin D helps, and sunlight is a source of D, along with dietary supplements.
Having optimal health and a good immune system is helpful in combating any virus or disease and certainly some vitamins help to boost the immune system, but so far no vitamin or supplement has been found to actually prevent COVID.
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Unless it is 100-110 F
Or you are at high altitudes, and it is 90
Seriously people studying this disease, have found that Vitamin D helps, and sunlight is a source of D, along with dietary supplements.
Yep. It was claimed that there's a high correlation between those who got more ill and were Vitamin D deficient. I take 5,000 IU a day along with broad spectrum K2.
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Having optimal health and a good immune system is helpful in combating any virus or disease and certainly some vitamins help to boost the immune system, but so far no vitamin or supplement has been found to actually prevent COVID.
You still get things. Just much less severely.
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07-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.671 ↑ | 1.558 ↓ |
| United States | 12.257 ↑ | 2.165 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, AZ, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +97.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,007,291.
US Recoveries-to-deaths ratio climbs above 12.
Mortality rates (reported deaths / reported cases) for current focus states:
AZ - 1.86 %
CA - 2.03 %
FL - 1.47 %
TX - 1.22 %
GA - 2.32 %
To include unreported asymptomatic cases, divide those numbers by 7.
For comparison:
NJ - 8.62%
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You still get things. Just much less severely.
Sometimes. Sometimes.
We just got some sad news. A former coworker and still a friend. His son and DIL had a baby yesterday. A little girl. My kids are tight with this kid.
Their baby died 4 hours after birth from no apparent cause or complication.
I am heartstricken.
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Sometimes. Sometimes.
We just got some sad news. A former coworker and still a friend. His son and DIL had a baby yesterday. A little girl. My kids are tight with this kid.
Their baby died 4 hours after birth from no apparent cause or complication.
I am heartstricken.
How very very sad. Prayers for everyone.
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How very very sad. Prayers for everyone.
I hold your concern about covid as valid. But there is an entire host of death out there. Unseen and unbidden.
There is something else going on here. Not covid. It is merely another disease.
I am going to not submit. Not going to. They are doing something worse than destroying this country.
They are trying to subvert the WILL OF GOD. I don't ask for forgiveness. Nor do I expect it. But never have I or would try to supplant HIM. Defy "the man" yeah.
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Sometimes. Sometimes.
We just got some sad news. A former coworker and still a friend. His son and DIL had a baby yesterday. A little girl. My kids are tight with this kid.
Their baby died 4 hours after birth from no apparent cause or complication.
I am heartstricken.
Just_damn. **nononono*
:0001: :0001: :0001:
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I hold your concern about covid as valid. But there is an entire host of death out there. Unseen and unbidden.
There is something else going on here. Not covid. It is merely another disease.
I am going to not submit. Not going to. They are doing something worse than destroying this country.
They are trying to subvert the WILL OF GOD. I don't ask for forgiveness. Nor do I expect it. But never have I or would try to supplant HIM. Defy "the man" yeah.
It absolutely seems to be the case.
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Just_damn. **nononono*
:0001: :0001: :0001:
We lost 13 family and friends last year, Six this year. Not one from covid.
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I am going to listen to some Roxette.
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We lost 13 family and friends last year, Six this year. Not one from covid.
Wow ... I thought that I experienced a lot of loss in life (more so than others), but that is an enormous amount of loss. My heart really goes out to you.
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@Hoodat @catfish1957
Isn't Arizona ALWAYS in the middle of a 110-120 degree heat wave?
:happyhappy:
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Sometimes. Sometimes.
We just got some sad news. A former coworker and still a friend. His son and DIL had a baby yesterday. A little girl. My kids are tight with this kid.
Their baby died 4 hours after birth from no apparent cause or complication.
I am heartstricken.
Sorry to hear that. Prayers up for the family and friends.
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We lost 13 family and friends last year, Six this year. Not one from covid.
That's a long hard row to hoe Fred. **nononono* :0001:
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In a way. In away.
In an away I look at it as His Mercy. They deserved to taken back into His arms.
I noticed a change in 2013. There was a "shift". I have had these experiences all my life.
It had to do with a specific verse from Isaiah.
There is this thing.
People are mad. They are outraged. One side already fighting. The others saying...saying...they will...
This is hard to explain. In a way away.
If you seriously eff with me prepare to die. So many people have a really hard time with the concept of looking another person in the eye and blowing their head off. But they have no problem with bombing Dresden or N Viet Nam in continuous waves.
All war is murder.
And this is my thing. No fog. No anger against the opponent (anger against the forces that brought us to that point). No mercy. No forgiveness.
I am nothing.
In the beginning.
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Florida reported 100% positive COVID-19 tests from some labs. That's wrong, hospital system says
Frank Gluck & Dan DeLuca | Fort Myers News-Press | Updated 7/16/2020
FORT MYERS, Fla. – The Florida Department of Health in its daily COVID-19 report lists multiple laboratories throughout the state – many of them small testing sites – with 100% positivity rates, but Southwest Florida's dominant hospital system said Wednesday it is incorrect to say 100% of their labs are positive.
The Lee Health hospital system is reporting that its laboratory testing of potential COVID-19 cases has shown an overall positivity rate of about 18%, despite the state report showing that all people coming in for testing at some of its labs have the novel coronavirus.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/)
This has been happening in Georgia as well. A friend of my next door neighbor went to a center to get tested. After a very long wait, the person left the facility without getting tested. The following day, the person received notice that she had tested positive. Someone here had posted a similar account a few days back.
Basically, the Dems can't get people to die quickly enough, so they are going after cases instead.
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Florida reported 100% positive COVID-19 tests from some labs. That's wrong, hospital system says
Frank Gluck & Dan DeLuca | Fort Myers News-Press | Updated 7/16/2020
FORT MYERS, Fla. – The Florida Department of Health in its daily COVID-19 report lists multiple laboratories throughout the state – many of them small testing sites – with 100% positivity rates, but Southwest Florida's dominant hospital system said Wednesday it is incorrect to say 100% of their labs are positive.
The Lee Health hospital system is reporting that its laboratory testing of potential COVID-19 cases has shown an overall positivity rate of about 18%, despite the state report showing that all people coming in for testing at some of its labs have the novel coronavirus.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/)
This has been happening in Georgia as well. A friend of my next door neighbor went to a center to get tested. After a very long wait, the person left the facility without getting tested. The following day, the person received notice that she had tested positive. Someone here had posted a similar account a few days back.
Basically, the Dems can't get people to die quickly enough, so they are going after cases instead.
The money quote. Testing here has been stepped up, and the number of active cases is up, but details are sketchy.
I have to note though, the age groups testing positive have had no fatalities at all Statewide.
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The more people who get it and the fewer people who die the better.
That is how we get this behind us.
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That is how we get this behind us.
And this is what the Left is trying to block until after November.
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What is the debate? Plague or pandemic?
@bigheadfred A Chinese friend was gloating about the number of cases in the US. I needed to know whether the figures were infections, or infections AND those tested who had the virus but were over it.
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@bigheadfred A Chinese friend was gloating about the number of cases in the US. I needed to know whether the figures were infections, or infections AND those tested who had the virus but were over it.
Too bad we can't get any figures on the number of Chinese infections.
Go here (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china) and scroll down to 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in China', and have your friend explain the mathematical impossibility of the official Chi-com propaganda account.
But if it is schadenfreude he is looking for, then wait until the Three Gorges Dam collapses.
(https://www.technobound.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/D_HCW_pVAAA13sD.jpeg)
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Here's more propaganda from Democrats posing as journalists:
Claremont 13-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing COVID-19 Symptoms (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/17/claremont-13-year-old-dies-covid-19-symptoms-maxx-cheng/)
Here's paragraph six: On July 9, Maxx’s mother took him to get tested for COVID-19. That test came back negative.
So the boy was tested, and it turned out he did not have the virus. Yet the story still implies that every parent in America should be in complete terror because Covid is now killing 13-year-olds. Enough of this BS already.
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And even more propaganda:
85 Babies Tested Positive For COVID-19 In One Texas County, Health Director Says (https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/18/texas-county-reports-85-babies-positive-covid-19/)
~We currently have 85 babies under the age of one year in Nueces County that have all tested positive for COVID-19,†said Annette Rodriguez, director of public health for Corpus Christi Nueces County.
“These babies have not even had their first birthday yet. Please help us stop the spread of this disease.â€
She did not provide additional details on their conditions.
No additional details? Are any of the babies sick? Did any of the babies exhibit symptoms? Why were the babies tested to begin with?
No pleas to help these babies. Only a plea to stop the spread of the disease. And how to do that? Wearing masks, social distancing, and at the ballot box of course.
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Unlikely.
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Here's more propaganda from Democrats posing as journalists:
Claremont 13-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing COVID-19 Symptoms (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/17/claremont-13-year-old-dies-covid-19-symptoms-maxx-cheng/)
Here's paragraph six: On July 9, Maxx’s mother took him to get tested for COVID-19. That test came back negative.
So the boy was tested, and it turned out he did not have the virus. Yet the story still implies that every parent in America should be in complete terror because Covid is now killing 13-year-olds. Enough of this BS already.
My daughter was 58 days in hospital because of a combination of pneumonia and MRSA that had gone systemic. She was tested for SARS-CoV-2 numerous times (all negative). Thankfully, she survived and is well, but the incorporation of deaths from other causes into the COVID-19 death count is clouding the issues ofmortality and giving a false image of the disease.
This only serves Democrats looking for more mayhem to impose on the American People via lockdowns and rules.
As a scientist, such wanton pollution of data only makes a mess of any scientific inquiry, much like the muddying of the issue of hydroxychloroquine (and Azithromycin and zinc supplement) use as a remedy.
Those doing this should not only be ashamed of the death and destruction they have wrought, but should be stripped of any license or credentials they possess for having done so.
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07-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.785 ↑ | 1.555 ↓ |
| United States | 12.425 ↑ | 2.159 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +81.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,017,674.
Estimated infection (immunity) as percentage of population:
AZ - 13.59 %
FL - 11.00 %
GA - 9.22 %
TX - 7.98 %
CA - 6.78 %
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A member of our church is a family practice physician. Today, someone asked when he thought the virus might run its course. He replied that it ran its course weeks ago, that what is happening now, the alleged new cases, etc., was all just politics - not likely to end until election day. He's had five patients test positive, so he's not denying the existence of the virus.
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A member of our church is a family practice physician. Today, someone asked when he thought the virus might run its course. He replied that it ran its course weeks ago, that what is happening now, the alleged new cases, etc., was all just politics - not likely to end until election day. He's had five patients test positive, so he's not denying the existence of the virus.
He's right as rain @mountaineer
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I thought this was interesting from TOS.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec89BAHWkAA6_ra?format=png&name=small)
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I thought this was interesting from TOS.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec89BAHWkAA6_ra?format=png&name=small)
Again with the cases, what are the fatalities (and I bet the flu hasn't been inflated like COVID)
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07-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 14.869 ↑ | 1.555 - |
| United States | 12.578 ↑ | 2.163 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & LA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +33.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,036,671.
To date, 1.178 % of Americans have tested positive for this disease. 0.043 % have died. Omitting NY, NY, MA, and CT, only 0.028 % have died. But on behalf of the Biden campaign, tomorrow's front page of the WaPo will blast that Coronavirus is "crushing" the US. All lies. All BS.
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For all you Erik Erickson fans out there, count him in the mask Nazi camp. He thinks Gov. Kemp should make mask-wearing mandatory, and that it should be enforced. Reason #17 why Erickson isn't a Conservative.
Here's the drill people:
1) Wash hands early and often
2) Don't touch your face
3) Keep six feet away from anyone wearing a mask
4) Keep six feet away from anyone not wearing a mask
5) Mind your own friggin' business about what somebody else is doing. They aren't you.
Don't know why this is so difficult for the emotional crowd to understand.
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For all you Erik Erickson fans out there, count him in the mask Nazi camp. He thinks Gov. Kemp should make mask-wearing mandatory, and that it should be enforced. Reason #17 why Erickson isn't a Conservative.
Here's the drill people:
1) Wash hands early and often
2) Don't touch your face
3) Keep six feet away from anyone wearing a mask
4) Keep six feet away from anyone not wearing a mask
5) Mind your own friggin' business about what somebody else is doing. They aren't you.
Don't know why this is so difficult for the emotional crowd to understand.
Sorry, they are in "Fight or Flight" mode, and the Limbic Brain doesn't respond to logic.
One more reason to keep your distance. :shrug:
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For all you Erik Erickson fans out there, count him in the mask Nazi camp. He thinks Gov. Kemp should make mask-wearing mandatory, and that it should be enforced. Reason #17 why Erickson isn't a Conservative.
Here's the drill people:
1) Wash hands early and often
2) Don't touch your face
3) Keep six feet away from anyone wearing a mask
4) Keep six feet away from anyone not wearing a mask
5) Mind your own friggin' business about what somebody else is doing. They aren't you.
Don't know why this is so difficult for the emotional crowd to understand.
Because keeping six feet away from everyone for months on end is unsustainable, and you're seeing it everywhere. The mask is a shortcut.
It reduces the necessary social distancing to about three feet, close enough to shake a hand and a distance that most people rarely ever get closer unless they're in a crowded club or are hugging.
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Because keeping six feet away from everyone for months on end is unsustainable, and you're seeing it everywhere. The mask is a shortcut.
It reduces the necessary social distancing to about three feet, close enough to shake a hand and a distance that most people rarely ever get closer unless they're in a crowded club or are hugging.
(I will also note that the three-foot rule was successfully implemented in Europe along with the masks. A major problem with enforcement here in America is that they're still insisting on the six-foot rule even if you're wearing a mask, so that's part of what's driving the embitterment.)
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Because keeping six feet away from everyone for months on end is unsustainable
No, keeping the economy shut down for months on end is unsustainable, as is printing up more new money to pay for it.
and you're seeing it everywhere.
It's a personal choice and a personal responsibility. If people choose to close that distance, then they accept the consequences of their choice.
The mask is a shortcut.
Also a personal choice. If a person chooses not to wear a mask, then they accept the consequences of his/her choice. No different than the 6-ft rule.
It reduces the necessary social distancing to about three feet, close enough to shake a hand and a distance that most people rarely ever get closer unless they're in a crowded club or are hugging.
Shaking hands and hugging are also personal choices. If a person chooses to shake another person's hand and then touches his/her own face while adjusting his/her own mask, then that person accepts the consequence of their action. And no government directive issued by any governor/mayor/etc. without legislative approval is going to change that.
Personally, I happen to be an adult who is instilled with a sense of personal responsibility. And I am not about to embrace some fascist reactionary impulsive mandate because someone else isn't being controlled like I want them to be controlled. And if the Euro-solution is so effective, then why do countries like France, Belgium, and the UK have higher death rates than the US?
You want an American to wear a mask? Then ask nicely. You would be surprised what that will get you. But order an American to wear one? You may end up with a boatload of masks tossed into the harbor.
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"You want an American to wear a mask? Then ask nicely. You would be surprised what that will get you. But order an American to wear one? You may end up with a boatload of masks tossed into the harbor."
@Hoodat
Hopefully with those masks still attached to the people who gave the order(s).
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You want an American to wear a mask? Then ask nicely. You would be surprised what that will get you. But order an American to wear one? You may end up with a boatload of masks tossed into the harbor.
You'll get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks don't work, are a conspiratorial plot, etc. If Americans are convinced of something, there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.
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Mixed messages from Day One': Rising cases prove summer is no barrier to COVID-19
Any hopes that summer’s high temperatures might slow the spread of the coronavirus were smashed in June and July by skyrocketing cases across the country, especially in some of the warmest states.
Colin Carlson wasn’t a bit surprised that summer heat failed to curb the virus that causes COVID-19, which has claimed more than 138,000 lives in the U.S. That notion, no matter how many times it was repeated, was never supported by science, said Carlson, an assistant research professor at Georgetown University who studies the relationship between climate change and infectious disease.
The optimistic, though inaccurate forecast was among several persistent misconceptions about heat and light, and other issues related to the spread of the virus, that leave epidemiologists like Carlson increasingly frustrated. They see and hear mixed messages and miscommunications all the time, whether it’s in social media, their circle of friends and family, hastily assembled research papers or the White House.
“My hunch is that most Americans think sunlight and heat kill the virus and you can be outdoors without risk,†Carlson said, but if you’re in a group, even outside, you can spread and contract the virus. "It's true that not being in a confined space is better but it's not protective."........
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/17/spiking-covid-19-cases-show-summers-heat-doesnt-stop-coronavirus/5447462002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/17/spiking-covid-19-cases-show-summers-heat-doesnt-stop-coronavirus/5447462002/)
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We had two Mormon Missionaries stop by. I always talk with them. I offered my hand. They said we can only bump elbows.
I said what? One kid was from the area of the Marshall Islands. Spoke English well enough.
I told him he had travelled that far to spread the Gospel to me and he had so little Faith he couldn't shake my hand????
We talked for a few more minutes and when they left they both...shook my hand.
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You'll get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks don't work, are a conspiratorial plot, etc. If Americans are convinced of something, there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.
Currently, you get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks work, and that edicts issued by governors/mayors/etc. that bypass the legislative process - edicts that hand out prison sentences for non-compliance - are as American as the Declaration of Independence itself. And there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.
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(I will also note that the three-foot rule was successfully implemented in Europe along with the masks. A major problem with enforcement here in America is that they're still insisting on the six-foot rule even if you're wearing a mask, so that's part of what's driving the embitterment.)
Well no, it's bullsh*t, which is driving the embitterment. Thankfully, I am finding out just how many think that way... The governor's mandated mask program here ain't doing so well.Everybody flat ignored it... To include the sheriff deputies and city cops who were told to enforce it.
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07-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.016 ↑ | 1.549 ↓ |
| United States | 12.862 ↑ | 2.141 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Global Recoveries-to-deaths ratio climbs above 15.
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +80.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,047,010.
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“My hunch is that most Americans think sunlight and heat kill the virus and you can be outdoors without risk,†Carlson said, but if you’re in a group, even outside, you can spread and contract the virus. "It's true that not being in a confined space is better but it's not protective."........
BLATANT NONSENSE... It is not because ppl are going outside. It is because they aren't. If you don't want to get the virus, avoid people and stay outside... Or avoid people and stay inside. But when Southern states get hot, everybody just goes inside into the air conditioning. That is a closed circuit air system which PREVENTS what summer heat would tend to do.
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BLATANT NONSENSE... It is not because ppl are going outside. It is because they aren't. If you don't want to get the virus, avoid people and stay outside... Or avoid people and stay inside. But when Southern states get hot, everybody just goes inside into the air conditioning. That is a closed circuit air system which PREVENTS what summer heat would tend to do.
Correctamundo. The author is trying to push a false narrative here.
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Too bad we can't get any figures on the number of Chinese infections.
Go here (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china) and scroll down to 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in China', and have your friend explain the mathematical impossibility of the official Chi-com propaganda account.
But if it is schadenfreude he is looking for, then wait until the Three Gorges Dam collapses.
(https://www.technobound.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/D_HCW_pVAAA13sD.jpeg)
2019 picture. That deformation has to be worse now with all the flooding problems there now.
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You'll get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks don't work, are a conspiratorial plot, etc. If Americans are convinced of something, there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.
Yeah, those facebook memes. https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/?fbclid=IwAR2Z4J3itgl2DfGCP0UhG3n3PfeQDW7Zw3BizMAH5cMZzob1xsmUhFyaJ3c (https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/?fbclid=IwAR2Z4J3itgl2DfGCP0UhG3n3PfeQDW7Zw3BizMAH5cMZzob1xsmUhFyaJ3c)
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2019 picture. That deformation has to be worse now with all the flooding problems there now.
That picture may be multiple pictures stitched together causing distortion. That darker section on the right is definitely a separate picture stitched to the lighter one on the left.
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@Hoodat @roamer-1 @bigheadfred @libertybele @jmyrlefuller
My daughter is a MD with her own clinic in a semi-rural area with a lot of "summer residents" from New York and other foreign countries,and my ex is her receptionist. I went there to get my infected leg treated today by the PA that works there,and while talking with the ex asked her if they had treated any Corona virus cases,and she shook her head and said "Not a single one". i
I realize this will not be the case with every medical clinic in the nation,but I do think it is more representative of what is typical than it is an aberration.
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Flaw in Manufacturer’s Testing System For Coronavirus Used by Labs Across the US Causing False Positives (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/flaw-manufacturers-testing-system-coronavirus-used-labs-across-us-causing-false-positives/)
According to DPH scientists, the affected patients were tested between July 15 to July 17 and out of a total of 144 ‘positive’ tests, 90 were false positives!
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Yeah, those facebook memes. https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/?fbclid=IwAR2Z4J3itgl2DfGCP0UhG3n3PfeQDW7Zw3BizMAH5cMZzob1xsmUhFyaJ3c (https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/?fbclid=IwAR2Z4J3itgl2DfGCP0UhG3n3PfeQDW7Zw3BizMAH5cMZzob1xsmUhFyaJ3c)
The surest way for me to think something's bullcrap is if you claim it's "censored."
It's probably not censored; it's just bad science.
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The surest way for me to think something's bullcrap is if you claim it's "censored."
It's probably not censored; it's just bad science.
You would do well to click on a few of the links in that story @jmyrlefuller Bad science my @$$!
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Speaking of bad science, where can I find the study that compares infection rates for those wearing masks outdoors in the sunshine and high humidity and those not wearing masks outdoors in the sunshine and high humidity.
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Flaw in Manufacturer’s Testing System For Coronavirus Used by Labs Across the US Causing False Positives (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/flaw-manufacturers-testing-system-coronavirus-used-labs-across-us-causing-false-positives/)
This isn't the first reports of "flawed" testing and inaccurate data collecting and reporting.
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Speaking of bad science, where can I find the study that compares infection rates for those wearing masks outdoors in the sunshine and high humidity and those not wearing masks outdoors in the sunshine and high humidity.
I doubt that you would find one, at least an accurate one. I have trouble breathing through a darn mask in the air conditioning after I've had it on for awhile. I think trying to breathe with a mask on in the heat and humidity would be difficult.
When they first shut us down, I thought to myself, well at least we can still go enjoy the parks. Then they shut those down too. It absolutely made no sense. I see some people wearing masks at the park, riding bicycles and even jogging. I'm trying to understand their logic.
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I doubt that you would find one, at least an accurate one. I have trouble breathing through a darn mask in the air conditioning after I've had it on for awhile. I think trying to breathe with a mask on in the heat and humidity would be difficult.
When they first shut us down, I thought to myself, well at least we can still go enjoy the parks. Then they shut those down too. It absolutely made no sense. I see some people wearing masks at the park, riding bicycles and even jogging. I'm trying to understand their logic.
Spit masks require a little getting used to. I wore them daily for six years when I worked in the clean-rooms, before I went into R&D. The vinyl gloves were worse.
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I doubt that you would find one, at least an accurate one. I have trouble breathing through a darn mask in the air conditioning after I've had it on for awhile. I think trying to breathe with a mask on in the heat and humidity would be difficult.
My point is that the pro-mask zealots operate under the haughty assumption that science is on their side, when that is really not the case.
When they first shut us down, I thought to myself, well at least we can still go enjoy the parks. Then they shut those down too. It absolutely made no sense. I see some people wearing masks at the park, riding bicycles and even jogging. I'm trying to understand their logic.
This is no different than when they had the government shutdowns under Obama. The first thing they did was to close the parks and monuments in order to inflict pain on the people for a political advantage. They are following that same playbook here.
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All those mask mandates are causing skin problems.
https://www.wgrz.com/article/entertainment/television/programs/daybreak/dermatologists-say-maskne-is-real-and-its-on-the-rise/71-74fe3bd2-7ab8-4608-9870-7ff6b274a125 (https://www.wgrz.com/article/entertainment/television/programs/daybreak/dermatologists-say-maskne-is-real-and-its-on-the-rise/71-74fe3bd2-7ab8-4608-9870-7ff6b274a125)
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All those mask mandates are causing skin problems.
https://www.wgrz.com/article/entertainment/television/programs/daybreak/dermatologists-say-maskne-is-real-and-its-on-the-rise/71-74fe3bd2-7ab8-4608-9870-7ff6b274a125 (https://www.wgrz.com/article/entertainment/television/programs/daybreak/dermatologists-say-maskne-is-real-and-its-on-the-rise/71-74fe3bd2-7ab8-4608-9870-7ff6b274a125)
@jmyrlefuller
Color me confused. Haven't you been condemning Briefers who refuse to wear masks for endangering your health?
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@jmyrlefuller
Color me confused. Haven't you been condemning Briefers who refuse to wear masks for endangering your health?
I believe there is a time and a place for masks, and that in certain situations they are effective.
I am against the "no masks, no never, they don't work" that pervades on this board and elsewhere.
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I believe there is a time and a place for masks, and that in certain situations they are effective.
I am against the "no masks, no never, they don't work" that pervades on this board and elsewhere.
The situation where cloth masks help stop COVID does not exist. Spittle blows right though them. The reason that pervades this board and elsewhere is that it's a fact borne out by research. Cloth masks are nothing but a talisman to ward off evil spirits, and signal the wearer is a person who does what he/she's told.
I have one in the car, it's a cost of doing business I will pay after I walk into a store, and it comes off while I'm walking out the door. I have to really need something, like bird seed from Tractor Supply, I'll put up with it, but for groceries I do curbside pickup.
Mrs. Liberty can't wear them, so as far as she's concerned they can all drop dead.
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The situation where cloth masks help stop COVID does not exist. Spittle blows right though them. The reason that pervades this board and elsewhere is that it's a fact borne out by research. Cloth masks are nothing but a talisman to ward off evil spirits, and signal the wearer is a person who does what he/she's told.
I have one in the car, it's a cost of doing business I will pay after I walk into a store, and it comes off while I'm walking out the door. I have to really need something, like bird seed from Tractor Supply, I'll put up with it, but for groceries I do curbside pickup.
Mrs. Liberty can't wear them, so as far as she's concerned they can all drop dead.
Time will tell over the next couple of weeks which one of us is right.
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Time will tell over the next couple of weeks which one of us is right.
That will depend on whom you believe at that time. It's hard to discern, because the press has lied its ass off through this entire fiasco, even more than usual. My experience is, I can't reason somebody out of something they didn't reason themselves into.
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The surest way for me to think something's bullcrap is if you claim it's "censored."
It's probably not censored; it's just bad science.
Well, the Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromax/Zinc Sulfate regimen, as it turns out was Not bad science, instead, the articles in nejm and Lancet were retracted because those 'studies' claiming the regimen was harmful WERE bad science.
But YouTube and Facebook censored anything which did not agree with the CDC, which at the time was parroting the (obviously) flawed studies, including Dr Zeleno's original video detailing the pharmacology, how it worked, why it worked, and when it was most effective, all just as soon as Trump mentioned Hydoxychloroquine.
Sorry, but science has been polluted by politics since AlGore stepped up and started braying inconvenient lies.
As a scientist, I want to see the data, understand the processes and cause/effect relationships claimed, and see if the data support the conclusions (and whether the conclusions support the title). Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
So why don't you at least listen to what people have to say and make up your own mind?
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Time will tell over the next couple of weeks which one of us is right.
How's that?
There are no actual scientific studies that exist that confirm either cloth or paper masks do anything regarding a virus that is in the air. I'm sure the CDC is busy doing something to pass off as science to justify themselves. But this issue has been studied over many flu seasons and the data is what the data is.
Your eyes are wet and catch whatever is in the air providing direct entry into the body. A plastic eye shield that is open to the air around your face is also useless in that case.
Those are simple facts.
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Speaking of bad science, where can I find the study that compares infection rates for those wearing masks outdoors in the sunshine and high humidity and those not wearing masks outdoors in the sunshine and high humidity.
@Hoodat
One of Jupiter's moons?
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I doubt that you would find one, at least an accurate one. I have trouble breathing through a darn mask in the air conditioning after I've had it on for awhile. I think trying to breathe with a mask on in the heat and humidity would be difficult.
@libertybele
I keep wondering why there are very few mentions of carbon dioxide poisoning from people inhaling their own spent breaths into those paper masks,and the breathing in more carbon dioxide than oxygen.
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Time will tell over the next couple of weeks which one of us is right.
Here's what the New England Journal of Medicine had to say about masks and Covid-19 before things went political:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed)
"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."
"What is clear, however, is that universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures."
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I was buying something at a store in western Pa. today and the clerk asked me to move my mask over my nose. I told him it had been over my nose but it slipped down. (That's the mask I intentionally made loose to give me a fighting chance at breathing). I should have told him to stuff it where the sun don't shine, but I just wanted to get out of there and be done with it. 9999hair out0000
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I was buying something at a store in western Pa. today and the clerk asked me to move my mask over my nose. I told him it had been over my nose but it slipped down. (That's the mask I intentionally made loose to give me a fighting chance at breathing). I should have told him to stuff it where the sun don't shine, but I just wanted to get out of there and be done with it. 9999hair out0000
That's one thing about the mask thing that does irritate me.
The point of the face covering is to prevent the projection of droplets to the person in front of you, so that they don't get inhaled. Droplets from the nose are projected downward, not outward. So unless you're really tall and standing right over a short person, there's not much need to cover the nose, especially if it's causing breathing difficulties (and yes, it can do that—try singing in one! I've done it for church).
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Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor (https://www.foxnews.com/media/hydroxychloroquine-could-save-lives-ingraham-yale-professor)
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Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor (https://www.foxnews.com/media/hydroxychloroquine-could-save-lives-ingraham-yale-professor)
Don't be silly, @Bigun! They need the stiffs.
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That's one thing about the mask thing that does irritate me.
The point of the face covering is to prevent the projection of droplets to the person in front of you, so that they don't get inhaled. Droplets from the nose are projected downward, not outward. So unless you're really tall and standing right over a short person, there's not much need to cover the nose, especially if it's causing breathing difficulties (and yes, it can do that—try singing in one! I've done it for church).
Not to mention the clerk was wearing a mask and standing behind a plexiglass barrier. Not sure what he thought I could do to him. So far, I've managed to slip off the mask for singing in church, but our pastor (a former surgeon) gives us the stinkeye if we're not wearing them.
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Top COVID-19 vaccine makers say safe, effective and low-cost candidates possible by early 2021
Top vaccine makers predict a vaccine or vaccines may be available as early as the beginning of 2021 and at least two pledged doses will be free or low-cost for all Americans.
Speaking before a House subcommittee Tuesday, executives from AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Merck, Moderna and Pfizer said their goal is to have effective vaccines available as soon as possible while following all safety and regulatory guidelines.
None of the pharmaceutical executives would commit to having a vaccine ready for the general public before early 2021, despite repeated questioning by House members.
The United States has so far invested nearly $2.3 billion in the effort to find a vaccine to stop SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, which has killed more than 140,000 Americans.
Safety emerged as a key concern among lawmakers, with several pressing executives on whether the unprecedented speed of vaccine development or potentially lax government regulations would put the public at risk. All the panelists said safety would not be compromised............
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/21/top-covid-vaccine-makers-safe-cheap-doses-may-ready-early-2021/5478232002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/21/top-covid-vaccine-makers-safe-cheap-doses-may-ready-early-2021/5478232002/)
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Don't be silly, @Bigun! They need the stiffs.
@Cyber Liberty
The ones who weren't registered Dim voters,will immediately become registered Dim voters.
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Top COVID-19 vaccine makers say safe, effective and low-cost candidates possible by early 2021
Top vaccine makers predict a vaccine or vaccines may be available as early as the beginning of 2021 and at least two pledged doses will be free or low-cost for all Americans.
@libertybele
Unless,of course,Trump is re-elected. If that happens,the earliest a vaccine will be available is in 2025.
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@libertybele
Unless,of course,Trump is re-elected. If that happens,the earliest a vaccine will be available is in 2025.
@sneakypete
There will be no effective or long lasting vaccine. Corona is the usual culprit for causing the common cold. It is a fast-morphing virus and because of that, there will be no cure.
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@sneakypete
There will be no effective or long lasting vaccine. Corona is the usual culprit for causing the common cold. It is a fast-morphing virus and because of that, there will be no cure.
@roamer_1
This is the first time I have heard that,but I have no reason to disbelieve you.
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@roamer_1
This is the first time I have heard that,but I have no reason to disbelieve you.
@sneakypete
Corona is very, very common. I have 'vaccinated' cattle for decades (corona is the scours in cowboy lingo)... Dogs are common carriers...
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Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor (https://www.foxnews.com/media/hydroxychloroquine-could-save-lives-ingraham-yale-professor)
Oh, NOW they say this!
9999hair out0000
It likely COULD have saved up to 100,000 lives, already, if the politicians masquerading as scientists hadn't set out on such a jihad to prove it didn't work because Trump mentioned it.
But those a$$hole$ are pimping panic, not a cure.
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Oh, NOW they say this!
9999hair out0000
It likely COULD have saved up to 100,000 lives, already, if the politicians masquerading as scientists hadn't set out on such a jihad to prove it didn't work because Trump mentioned it.
But those a$$hole$ are pimping panic, not a cure.
888high58888
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07-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.226 ↑ | 1.537 ↓ |
| United States | 13.015 ↑ | 2.135 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
US Recoveries-to-deaths ratio climbs above 13.
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, AZ, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +223.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,065,548.
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
This is a lie. They’re combining deaths from previous days. Yet, Drudge highlights it and the rest of the leftwing media push it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1285706775686270976/qCoib2eH?format=jpg&name=small)
U.S. reports over 1,000 daily coronavirus deaths for first time since May
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-deaths-thousand-may-a10e174a-9cdc-4148-93e1-dfe55c1f03e4.html (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-deaths-thousand-may-a10e174a-9cdc-4148-93e1-dfe55c1f03e4.html)
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1285921925521448960 (https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1285921925521448960)
8:57 AM · Jul 22, 2020·Twitter for Android
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
The media continue to lie about actual daily deaths and a surge. This explains what they’re doing
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1283770574876086273/LC_42Rev?format=jpg&name=small)
The Big Surge In Coronavirus Deaths Is A Media-Fed Myth
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth/
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1285920547935850496
8:52 AM · Jul 22, 2020·Twitter for Android
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How are we to believe any of the new numbers, when we already know that testing sites are reporting 100% positives, people who never were tested are getting "you're positive!" letters in the mail, and everything from terminal cancer deaths to motorcycle crash victims are being called Covid-19 fatalities?
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How are we to believe any of the new numbers, when we already know that testing sites are reporting 100% positives, people who never were tested are getting "you're positive!" letters in the mail, and everything from terminal cancer deaths to motorcycle crash victims are being called Covid-19 fatalities?
For better or for worse, we simply cannot believe the numbers.
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How are we to believe any of the new numbers, when we already know that testing sites are reporting 100% positives, people who never were tested are getting "you're positive!" letters in the mail, and everything from terminal cancer deaths to motorcycle crash victims are being called Covid-19 fatalities?
Well, in lieu of actual data which confirm the Party Line, uncertainty will fuel fear almost equally well.
It isn't about the Virus, it is about FEAR and CONTROL.
Without that, there is no way Americans will opt for mail-in voting.
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Well, in lieu of actual data which confirm the Party Line, uncertainty will fuel fear almost equally well.
It isn't about the Virus, it is about FEAR and CONTROL.
Without that, there is no way Americans will opt for mail-in voting.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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I see that graphic is from a group called Ohio Liberation. Speaking of Ohio, Gov. DeWine today has mandated masks just about everywhere. *****rollingeyes*****
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The masktapo. I wonder if they'll check for Jews in the attic, while they're at it.
Allegheny Co. Creates ‘COVID Field Response Team’ To See Which Businesses Aren’t Following Coronavirus Orders
July 22, 2020 at 4:23 pm
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Allegheny County is launching a team that will visit businesses and use checklists to see if they’re following coronavirus orders. The name of the business and a copy of the checklist will then be posted to the county’s website for the public to see.
Allegheny County Executive Rich Fitzgerald says there is confusion about what businesses should and shouldn’t do, and the county has heard that it should provide information on which businesses are and aren’t following the rules.
In response, the county is launching a “COVID Field Response Team†Thursday morning. ...
KDKA (https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/07/22/allegheny-county-covid-field-response-team/)
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PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Allegheny County is launching a team that will visit businesses and use checklists to see if they’re following coronavirus orders. The name of the business and a copy of the checklist will then be posted to the county’s website for the public to see.
What will the gestapo do if Willy Messerschmitt doesn't make his quota of Me-109 fighters?
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What will the gestapo do if Willy Messerschmitt doesn't make his quota of Me-109 fighters?
@Hoodat
Willie will be getting a train ride to his new job.
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It’s the media’s job to erase institutional, historical memories. It’s been their job since... well, I can’t remember when.
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You do realize that H1N1 was even less deadly than the regular flu, right?
Oh, never mind...
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Speaking of . . .
Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
Sharyl Attkisson | October 21, 2009 | 9:03 AM
. . . In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?
Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.
CBS News learned that the decision to stop counting H1N1 flu cases was made so hastily that states weren't given the opportunity to provide input. . . .
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/)
The Obama/Biden Administration ordered a halt in testing during the H1N1 epidemic in order to halt the rise in case numbers. Yet today, Biden is calling for more testing. Politics at its worst.
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07-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.303 ↑ | 1.527 ↓ |
| United States | 13.289 ↑ | 2.111 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & LA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +233.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,070,112.
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Looking at the Worldometers graphs, the hints at a downward trend in new cases are becoming more obvious in FL, TX, and AZ.
Yet in California, home of the hard lockdown, the infection rate hasn't changed one iota.
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Looking at the Worldometers graphs, the hints at a downward trend in new cases are becoming more obvious in FL, TX, and AZ.
Yet in California, home of the hard lockdown, the infection rate hasn't changed one iota.
It could be the Draconian measures CA put in place is actually doing harm by concentrating the vulnerable people together with otherwise healthy youngsters home from a night of hard partying. An easily provable infection vector right there.
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The virus is still rampant in our area. And instead of not knowing anyone that has had it, I know of a few now. In our community of 100k, we had 2 in their 60's die yesterday. Our local state prison is reporting well over 200 cases and that's just the one prison, we have two. People are pretty good about wearing masks, except when they installed my bathroom granite countertop yesterday, none at all.
Just take it for granite they don't have it.
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07-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.447 ↑ | 1.524 ↓ |
| United States | 13.435 ↑ | 2.107 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +188.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,093,033.
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Sharyl Attkisson @SharylAttkisson
I'm sure many, including our national security experts, are examining possible weaponization of people infected with Covid-19 to intentionally spread it in US (or in key US cities).
Easy to do, hard to trace?
Perfect weapon for China/Russia/domestic terrorists?
Discuss.
10:06 PM · Jul 23, 2020
:scared smiley:
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Sharyl Attkisson @SharylAttkisson
I'm sure many, including our national security experts, are examining possible weaponization of people infected with Covid-19 to intentionally spread it in US (or in key US cities).
Easy to do, hard to trace?
Perfect weapon for China/Russia/domestic terrorists?
Discuss.
10:06 PM · Jul 23, 2020
:scared smiley:
Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?
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Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?
That's a good question. But Ebola has already visited...and didn't spread well. Anthrax was tried after 9/11 and didn't spread well. I don't think Ebola was introduced intentionally. Anthrax...absolutely. I'd have to study up on how or why those two didn't spread as easily as the Corona has.
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Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?
I don't think it was a report, just speculation.
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Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?
By the time an Ebola patient is shedding enough virus to spread it, they are in rough shape. Most spread in close range. Anthrax, weaponized, is in the form of spores and those would be the effective means of distribution, not an infected patient.
With coronavirus, infected mild case patients could spread it in a crowd in close quarters, much like the 'protests' where random contact would be acceptable.
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By the time an Ebola patient is shedding enough virus to spread it, they are in rough shape. Most spread in close range. Anthrax, weaponized, is in the form of spores and those would be the effective means of distribution, not an infected patient.
With coronavirus, infected mild case patients could spread it in a crowd in close quarters, much like the 'protests' where random contact would be acceptable.
That indicates a good strategy on the part of the virus for propagating the species. I have breathed a sigh of relief when I found out a bug kills people very quickly, like Ebola. "Don't kill the host too soon" is key.
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That indicates a good strategy on the part of the virus for propagating the species. I have breathed a sigh of relief when I found out a bug kills people very quickly, like Ebola. "Don't kill the host too soon" is key.
Remember, this virus is the product of research (and recombination) aimed at "enhanced abilities".
Essentially, making SARS more contagious was the goal.
Whether it got out by accident or design, I'm reasonably convinced this is a lab product.
Often, with increased contagion, viruses sacrifice some of their deadliness, which may be why this one usually kills people who are already medically compromised on one or more fronts, and not those who are healthy.
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Remember, this virus is the product of research (and recombination) aimed at "enhanced abilities".
Essentially, making SARS more contagious was the goal.
Whether it got out by accident or design, I'm reasonably convinced this is a lab product.
Often, with increased contagion, viruses sacrifice some of their deadliness, which may be why this one usually kills people who are already medically compromised on one or more fronts, and not those who are healthy.
In my limited understanding, it looks like this plague was not an accident, but was more likely a feasibility study, or proof-of-concept. Our unusual reaction to it had the effect of measuring what a response would look like, and proved what the country would put up with. I'm sure China is surprised at the level of painful blow-back, despite the media's ever-present efforts of using it to get rid of a President.
Yes, it hurt our economy badly, but it would be instructive to see how the Chinese stock markets (Hong Kong and Shanghai) performed in 2020.
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Not knocking the report, but wouldn't a bio-terrorist be more apt at spreading something a bit more heinous like Ebola or Anthrax?
This is an attack on our economy - not on our lives. And in that regard, it has had a far more devastating effect than ebola or anthrax ever could.
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In my limited understanding, it looks like this plague was not an accident, but was more likely a feasibility study, or proof-of-concept. Our unusual reaction to it had the effect of measuring what a response would look like, and proved what the country would put up with. I'm sure China is surprised at the level of painful blow-back, despite the media's ever-present efforts of using it to get rid of a President.
Yes, it hurt our economy badly, but it would be instructive to see how the Chinese stock markets (Hong Kong and Shanghai) performed in 2020.
Like most novel attacks, however, the question is "How would we respond to this again?"
Then you get into questions of whether the new bug is the 'real deal', or just another attempt to make us damage ourselves.
That could go either way. :shrug:
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Like most novel attacks, however, the question is "How would we respond to this again?"
Then you get into questions of whether the new bug is the 'real deal', or just another attempt to make us damage ourselves.
That could go either way. :shrug:
On that, one thing is for sure: We damaged ourselves a lot.
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On that, one thing is for sure: We damaged ourselves a lot.
Yep. Next time, since "WOLF!" has been cried, and the patients killed to justify that, in the face of a really deadly pathogen, how many would say "Oh, no, not again you don't" and die as a result? Or would another lesser bug be released, with people thinking this was the 'big one' and have round two of this.
THey would be independent events and have to be evaluated on their own, but the public would not see it that way. Especially not after the way they (primarily the media and a few politicians) have made a mess of this.
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Dan Bongino Retweeted
Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog
But remember: it’s still too dangerous to go to school or church
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1286663507140845569
10:04 AM · Jul 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Your efforts are stentorian and not unnoticed. :patriot:
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VIDEO: https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1286663507140845569
10:04 AM · Jul 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Near the end of that thread, someone gives an account of how their nephew afflicted with cancer died alone in a hospital because his mother was prohibited from seeing her own son.
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Near the end of that thread, someone gives an account of how their nephew afflicted with cancer died alone in a hospital because his mother was prohibited from seeing her own son.
That is seriously not okay.
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Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Corey A. DeAngelis
@DeAngelisCorey
Trump just said "if schools do not reopen the funding should go to parents."
Video: https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1286421974626050052
6:04 PM · Jul 23, 2020·Twitter for Android
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How about cutting our taxes instead. GEEEEEEZ!!!
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07-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.570 ↑ | 1.524 - |
| United States | 13.658 ↑ | 2.095 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +195.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,115,222.
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Study: lockdowns and social distancing mandates only reduced the spread of the virus by 13%.
Think about that: up to 90% of human activity squashed, for only 13% reduction of spread. No sane person can look at that and say it is worth it.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2743 (https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2743)
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How about cutting our taxes instead. GEEEEEEZ!!!
:amen:
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Study: lockdowns and social distancing mandates only reduced the spread of the virus by 13%.
Think about that: up to 90% of human activity squashed, for only 13% reduction of spread. No sane person can look at that and say it is worth it.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2743 (https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2743)
Of course with the information and research that we have now it is obvious we should have never shutdown as more harm than good was done.
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Sharyl Attkisson @SharylAttkisson
I'm sure many, including our national security experts, are examining possible weaponization of people infected with Covid-19 to intentionally spread it in US (or in key US cities).
Easy to do, hard to trace?
Perfect weapon for China/Russia/domestic terrorists?
Discuss.
10:06 PM · Jul 23, 2020
:scared smiley:
@mountaineer
Jist ain't NUTTIN slips past SharylAttkisson,is there?
Who's going to be the first to tell her?
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Remember, this virus is the product of research (and recombination) aimed at "enhanced abilities".
Essentially, making SARS more contagious was the goal.
Whether it got out by accident or design, I'm reasonably convinced this is a lab product.
@Smokin Joe
Say WHAT????
It is an established fact that it was created in a lab in China.
Hell,it MAY be the only thing China has sent us that lasts longer than a week.
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This is an attack on our economy - not on our lives. And in that regard, it has had a far more devastating effect than ebola or anthrax ever could.
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@Hoodat
BINGO!
The Chinese don't want to take over a wasteland filled full of rotting bodies. They want to inherit a slave colony that can be productive and support the millions of Chinese subjects they want to import here to run things.
Not to mention Europe and the rest of the world. No big deal to them if millions die everywhere including China because they have a virtually unlimited source of replacements,but they want and need places they can occupy pretty much immediately.
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Like most novel attacks, however, the question is "How would we respond to this again?"
@Smokin Joe
We will do nothing because nobody wants to start a nuclear war.
What we SHOULD have already been doing is fermenting revolt in China so their masters get overthrown,and the Chinese can be free for the first time since the beginning of time. Of course,that would have interfered with all the bribes given to people like Pelosi,so we didn't do it.
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Near the end of that thread, someone gives an account of how their nephew afflicted with cancer died alone in a hospital because his mother was prohibited from seeing her own son.
@Hoodat
EVERYBODY dies alone. Dying is the most "alone" thing you can do.
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@Smokin Joe
Hell,it MAY be the only thing China has sent us that lasts longer than a week.
Good one.... :silly:
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@Hoodat
BINGO!
The Chinese don't want to take over a wasteland filled full of rotting bodies. They want to inherit a slave colony that can be productive and support the millions of Chinese subjects they want to import here to run things.
Not to mention Europe and the rest of the world. No big deal to them if millions die everywhere including China because they have a virtually unlimited source of replacements,but they want and need places they can occupy pretty much immediately.
I have always thought that karma would eventually catch up with the Chicoms. The problem with stealing technology, IP, and reverse engineering is the shortside aspects of not understanding the technological tweaks. If the Chicoms do succeed in their quest for world dominance, I predict a "dark ages" of advancement where the real brains of USA, Germany, Japan, and SK will go silent in defiance of their new slave masters.
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Sharyl Attkisson @SharylAttkisson
I'm sure many, including our national security experts, are examining possible weaponization of people infected with Covid-19 to intentionally spread it in US (or in key US cities).
Easy to do, hard to trace?
Perfect weapon for China/Russia/domestic terrorists?
Discuss.
10:06 PM · Jul 23, 2020
:scared smiley:
Don't overlook the Italians. Their reactions drove the lockdowns.
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@Smokin Joe
We will do nothing because nobody wants to start a nuclear war.
What we SHOULD have already been doing is fermenting revolt in China so their masters get overthrown,and the Chinese can be free for the first time since the beginning of time. Of course,that would have interfered with all the bribes given to people like Pelosi,so we didn't do it.
Don't get 'M.A.D.'. Limited nuclear war works.
As for fomenting revolt there, hard to say what' has been done.
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I have always thought that karma would eventually catch up with the Chicoms. The problem with stealing technology, IP, and reverse engineering is the shortside aspects of not understanding the technological tweaks. If the Chicoms do succeed in their quest for world dominance, I predict a "dark ages" of advancement where the real brains of USA, Germany, Japan, and SK will go silent in defiance of their new slave masters.
@catfish1957
Or more likely,whacked by their Chinese masters for being "wise asses". We in the west tend to forget some basic rules of survival,like the one that states "Masters don't like being humiliated by serfs. If you draw jealous attention to yourself,you are apt to become a speed bump in the new highway."
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Don't get 'M.A.D.'. Limited nuclear war works.
As for fomenting revolt there, hard to say what' has been done.
@Smokin Joe
Hard to say how much just "happened" due to it's own existence and the Chinese sending their young people off to the west to try to learn how to learn. The old "How ya gonna keep 'em back on the farm after they have seen gay (in a GOOD way!) Paree?" syndrome.
It's a hell of a lot harder to "unlearn" something than it is to learn it.
Sometimes it's hard to put a cork back into a bottle.
Which can create it's own terrors as the Masters of China begin to fear losing control.
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07-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.737 ↑ | 1.518 ↓ |
| United States | 13.800 ↑ | 2.093 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +95.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,144,556.
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07-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.826 ↑ | 1.519 ↑ |
| United States | 13.948 ↑ | 2.092 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +39.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,174,017.
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No more 14 day quarantine? CDC finds evidence COVID-19 patients not infectious as long
by Adrian Mojica
Friday, July 24th 2020
As doctors and scientists continue to get a better grasp on novel coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released new findings when it comes to dealing with COVID-19.
Citing multiple studies by the agency and beyond, the CDC found those who have mild cases of COVID-19 may not have to be in quarantine for 14 days, that duration potentially being shortened to 10.
Scientists found 10 days after onset symptoms, patients they studied did not have "replication-competent virus" — or in simpler terms, virus which could infect cells and replicate. ... FOX17/Nashville (https://fox17.com/news/local/no-more-14-day-quarantine-cdc-finds-evidence-covid-19-patients-not-infectious-as-long-coronavirus-spread?fbclid=IwAR2sKk7Bg6x8OoIy0pephA09tJnjYIa1yo4U7kACoEYqpggVPA1GnINEgSw)
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Seeing where Trump NSA O'Brien has tested positive. Hope POTUS didn't get exposed.
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Seeing where Trump NSA O'Brien has tested positive. Hope POTUS didn't get exposed.
Was about 8’ away from the gal that runs our well log library. She’s wearing a mask which is unusual for her. She then proceeds to tell me that she might have been exposed. CRAP!!!
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No more 14 day quarantine? CDC finds evidence COVID-19 patients not infectious as long
by Adrian Mojica
Friday, July 24th 2020
As doctors and scientists continue to get a better grasp on novel coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released new findings when it comes to dealing with COVID-19.
Citing multiple studies by the agency and beyond, the CDC found those who have mild cases of COVID-19 may not have to be in quarantine for 14 days, that duration potentially being shortened to 10.
Scientists found 10 days after onset symptoms, patients they studied did not have "replication-competent virus" — or in simpler terms, virus which could infect cells and replicate. ... FOX17/Nashville (https://fox17.com/news/local/no-more-14-day-quarantine-cdc-finds-evidence-covid-19-patients-not-infectious-as-long-coronavirus-spread?fbclid=IwAR2sKk7Bg6x8OoIy0pephA09tJnjYIa1yo4U7kACoEYqpggVPA1GnINEgSw)
This does verify another study which suggested that virus shed after 8 days could not replicate or infect.
The fact is, only 1 in 6 cases of COVID are actually infectious at all. But that one can infect dozens. We don't know yet how to tell an infectious case from a non-infectious one until, well, they start infecting others.
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07-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 15.989 ↑ | 1.513 ↓ |
| United States | 14.202 ↑ | 2.075 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +50.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,192,0436.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 14.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235)
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.
Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/)from Breitbart News.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235)
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.
Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/)from Breitbart News.
I can confirm that this is no longer on Youtube. Violates their community standards you know!
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235)
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.
Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/)from Breitbart News.
I watched this yesterday, confirming what a lot of us are saying.
Don't isolate someone sick until they get so sick it is too late.
We send them home and tell them to come back if their symptoms worsen, then we treat those.
That horse has already left the barn by then!
Use HCQ zinc, and Azithromycin, early on, before hospitalization is required, and hospitalization may never be required!
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No more 14 day quarantine? CDC finds evidence COVID-19 patients not infectious as long
by Adrian Mojica
Friday, July 24th 2020
As doctors and scientists continue to get a better grasp on novel coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released new findings when it comes to dealing with COVID-19.
Citing multiple studies by the agency and beyond, the CDC found those who have mild cases of COVID-19 may not have to be in quarantine for 14 days, that duration potentially being shortened to 10.
Scientists found 10 days after onset symptoms, patients they studied did not have "replication-competent virus" — or in simpler terms, virus which could infect cells and replicate. ... FOX17/Nashville (https://fox17.com/news/local/no-more-14-day-quarantine-cdc-finds-evidence-covid-19-patients-not-infectious-as-long-coronavirus-spread?fbclid=IwAR2sKk7Bg6x8OoIy0pephA09tJnjYIa1yo4U7kACoEYqpggVPA1GnINEgSw)
This confirms what was found in Singapore and Winnipeg a few weeks ago. They found that at 10 days and 8 days, respectively, the viruses being shed could not be grown in a lab.
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I watched this yesterday, confirming what a lot of us are saying.
Don't isolate someone sick until they get so sick it is too late.
We send them home and tell them to come back if their symptoms worsen, then we treat those.
That horse has already left the barn by then!
Use HCQ zinc, and Azithromycin, early on, before hospitalization is required, and hospitalization may never be required!
My niece and great nephew started on HCQ/zinc/azith within hours of their positive test results. They did not have to ask for it, that's just what their family practitioner prescribed. He got over it in about 5 days, but she had a much rougher time with 11 days of fever, aches, malaise, etc and also had to use a nebulizer, but stayed out of the hospital.
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My niece and great nephew started on HCQ/zinc/azith within hours of their positive test results. They did not have to ask for it, that's just what their family practitioner prescribed. He got over it in about 5 days, but she had a much rougher time with 11 days of fever, aches, malaise, etc and also had to use a nebulizer, but stayed out of the hospital.
I've noticed that HCQ is all over facebook today. Glad to see it out there and glad your relatives are doing well.
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I watched this yesterday, confirming what a lot of us are saying.
Don't isolate someone sick until they get so sick it is too late.
We send them home and tell them to come back if their symptoms worsen, then we treat those.
That horse has already left the barn by then!
Use HCQ zinc, and Azithromycin, early on, before hospitalization is required, and hospitalization may never be required!
Dr. Zelenko's YouTube video documenting how and why the hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/zinc regimen works, dosages, and course duration, was censored just after Trump brought up hydroxychloroquine.
Then the attack on the drug was on.
Some of the shoddiest studies (if you understood the rationale behind the pharmacology) ever seen in medical scientism were presented, even ones in which lethal doses of Chloroquine were given patients, as an excuse to decry Dr. Zelenko's information. Two of those publications have been RETRACTED by the peer-review journals which published them, Yet the WHO is still pushing for Bill Gates' (or someone's) vaccine, which mean$ lot$ of Dollar$ for $omeone).
The science hasn't changed, it has been so all along, but DESPITE censorship, despite the WHO, CDC, etc., the word is out.
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Dr. Zelenko's YouTube video documenting how and why the hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/zinc regimen works, dosages, and course duration, was censored just after Trump brought up hydroxychloroquine.
Then the attack on the drug was on.
Some of the shoddiest studies (if you understood the rationale behind the pharmacology) ever seen in medical scientism were presented, even ones in which lethal doses of Chloroquine were given patients, as an excuse to decry Dr. Zelenko's information. Two of those publications have been RETRACTED by the peer-review journals which published them, Yet the WHO is still pushing for Bill Gates' (or someone's) vaccine, which mean$ lot$ of Dollar$ for $omeone).
The science hasn't changed, it has been so all along, but DESPITE censorship, despite the WHO, CDC, etc., the word is out.
Recently, a Yale study approved the use, also, with little or no fanfare.
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My niece and great nephew started on HCQ/zinc/azith within hours of their positive test results. They did not have to ask for it, that's just what their family practitioner prescribed. He got over it in about 5 days, but she had a much rougher time with 11 days of fever, aches, malaise, etc and also had to use a nebulizer, but stayed out of the hospital.
Glad everyone is okay now.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235)
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.
Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/)from Breitbart News.
Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.
Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/ (https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/)
I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.
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Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.
Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/ (https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/)
I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.
Why not address what was said instead of attacking them?
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Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.
Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/ (https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/)
I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.
Doesn't explain away the Yale study or the Ford Foundation study.
There are more than this out there as well.
A Texas City,Texas doctor at a nursing home also did a trial run when quite a few of the patients came down with the virus in his facility.
Favorable results, slammed by the National media.
On our one of our local network affiliates saying, "I am not a political person, I tried something that was brought to my attention and it worked."
I think he lost 1 out of 30 elderly patients who tested positive.
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Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.
Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/ (https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/)
I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.
Okay, hold out for the vaccine, then, or any of the other five figure options.
I did the research on zinc ionophores, I followed up on research on zinc interfering with viral replication, Read the information on Azithromycin, even its idiopathic effect of mild immunosuppression. Everything made scientific sense, (which is what science is supposed to do), the effects were well within the claimed actions of the pharmacological regimen--one that would be most effective at early onset.
If you want to follow the WHO and CDC, that is your right, but they already have a huge body count and a tremendous failure rate.
It has been my experience as a scientist that the number of diplomas on the wall or IV league provenance does not guarantee being correct, and that within science, credentials and reputation often stand in the way of finding the right answer. From https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/vladimir-zelenko-d0172276-3207-4517-a08c-629eafd8c8a4-overview (https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/vladimir-zelenko-d0172276-3207-4517-a08c-629eafd8c8a4-overview)
Dr. Zelenko graduated from the University At Buffalo State University of New York School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences,University At Buffalo State University of New York School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences in 2000. Dr. Zelenko works in Monroe, NY and specializes in Family Medicine. Dr. Zelenko is affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital.
Although the affiliations may need updating, he is hardly a "Quack", and referring to him as such only devalues your opinion.
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The sad thing about the politicized opposition to HCQ is that is has the potential to be the cheap, affordable way to ameliorate the virus. I understand why drug companies might fight against an affordable regimen, but Democrats? Just one more example of their moral compass being rendered inoperative by their irrational hatred of Trump.
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Doesn't explain away the Yale study of the ford Foundation study.
There are more than this out there as well.
A Texas City,Texas doctor at a nursing home also did a trial run when quite a few of the patients came down with the virus in his facility.
Favorable results, slammed by the National media.
On our one of our local network affiliates saying, "I am not a political person, I tried something that was brought to my attention and it worked."
I think he lost 1 out of 30 elderly patients who tested positive.
Dr. Armstrong (the Texas City Dr. you mention) just happens to be a personal friend of mine through our involvement with the Republican Party of Texas and I have heard MANY testimonials regarding his abilities as an MD from his patients and former patients. I would trust him with my life if the need arose.
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James Todaro, MD @JamesTodaroMD
Wow. It appears Squarespace took down our website today http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com (http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com).
We are reaching new levels of censorship.
Do people agree with this?
1:46 PM · Jul 28, 2020·
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James Todaro, MD @JamesTodaroMD
Wow. It appears Squarespace took down our website today http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com (http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com).
We are reaching new levels of censorship.
Do people agree with this?
1:46 PM · Jul 28, 2020·
**nononono*
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James Todaro, MD @JamesTodaroMD
Wow. It appears Squarespace took down our website today http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com (http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com).
We are reaching new levels of censorship.
Do people agree with this?
1:46 PM · Jul 28, 2020·
Squarespace is owned by Jack Dorsey, also owner of Twitter.
Why the unfiled move against a Virus treatment before the election?
Could it be BIG TECH is willing to do anything they can to block Trump?
Bitchute, Parler are alternatives, to Twitter and YouTube.
Cruz and Rubin episode I posted recently.
Cruz talks about taking the protections away from Big Media, breaking up Monopoly.
Don't let your Trump hate hinder your common sense.
Big Media wants their Media monopoly to be protected, and their price is political manipulation, censorship, etc.
These Drs. are not alone. I have listened to Dr. Drew and Dr. Ray Cascieri in the LA AM radio market. also talk about the anecdotal evidence favoring it.
I am not a scientist.but I think the socialists and their unionized employees incl. teachers, want the economy shut down and "welfarized" permanently.
Doctors and nurses have been taking HQ themselves all along themselves.
Thd socialists will go to Any length to block Trump.
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I just got my third SARS-2 test in seven days. Getting nose-raped is not fun.
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Found this in my files.
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Most people are more likely to wind up six feet under because of almost anything else under the sun other than COVID-19.
The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news (https://www.conservativereview.com/news) ... ate-media/
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I just got my third SARS-2 test in seven days. Getting nose-raped is not fun.
I thought SARS is the bird flu? Why are you getting tested? ARE YOU SICK..? Went to WIKI...so "use" with grain of salt.
Nasty stuff. Do you have lung issue? Blaming ..bats...again!
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Severe acute respiratory syndrome
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"SARS" redirects here. For other uses, see SARS (disambiguation).
This article is about the 2002–04 respiratory syndrome. For the 2012–13 syndrome, see Middle East respiratory syndrome. For the 2019–20 syndrome, see Coronavirus disease 2019.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome
(SARS)
Other names Sudden acute respiratory syndrome[1]
SARS virion.gif
Electron micrograph of SARS coronavirus virion
Pronunciation
SARS /sÉ‘Ërz/
Specialty Infectious disease
Symptoms Fever, persistent dry cough, headache, muscle pains, difficulty breathing
Complications Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) with other comorbidities that eventually leads to death
Prevention Hand washing, cough etiquette, avoiding close contact with infected persons, avoiding travel to affected areas[2]
Prognosis 9.5% chance of death (all countries)
Frequency 8,098 cases
Deaths 774 known
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1), the first-identified strain of the SARS coronavirus species severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV). The syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak. In late 2017, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of Asian palm civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Yunnan.[3]
SARS was a relatively rare disease; at the end of the epidemic in June 2003, the incidence was 8,422 cases with a case fatality rate (CFR) of 11%.[4] No cases of SARS-CoV have been reported worldwide since 2004.[5]
In 2019, the related virus strain severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was discovered.[6] This new strain causes COVID-19, a disease which brought about the COVID-19 pandemic.[7]
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I thought SARS is the bird flu? Why are you getting tested? ARE YOU SICK..?
My customer insists. If I don't test, I don't work. If I don't work, I don't eat. Three tests in 1 week is because we have had active cases in the past week. SARS-2 is the virus that causes Covid-19.
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Dr. Armstrong (the Texas City Dr. you mention) just happens to be a personal friend of mine through our involvement with the Republican Party of Texas and I have heard MANY testimonials regarding his abilities as an MD from his patients and former patients. I would trust him with my life if the need arose.
KTRH radio brought him up again this morning.
Not a quack, quite reasonable and measured response.
He tried HCQ, zinc, and it worked.
Nothing more complicated than that.
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Dr. Armstrong (the Texas City Dr. you mention) just happens to be a personal friend of mine through our involvement with the Republican Party of Texas and I have heard MANY testimonials regarding his abilities as an MD from his patients and former patients. I would trust him with my life if the need arose.
I heard him interviewed many weeks ago by Glenn Beck. His Covid-19 patients at the nursing home were at the very highest possible risk, and only one died, thanks to his care and the drugs he used. Compare and contrast to all the nursing home deaths under governors Cuomo and Wolf.
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KTRH radio brought him up again this morning.
Not a quack, quite reasonable and measured response.
He tried HCQ, zinc, and it worked.
Nothing more complicated than that.
What I think is absolutley heinous, is that though the HCQ regimient might not be a cure all, it might work in some cases. So how many people might have not needed to die the past 4 months by this disinformation campaign.
I think that is part of the paranoia on the left. Not only the political aspects, but whether they may be held accountible 1000's, or 10,000's of thousands of deaths.
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HCQ with zithromycin and zinc may be effective in many cases. The combo has proven to be effective, in fact. But the Dems say not to try it at all. I have to wonder why they oppose the propect of people recovering from this virus? What depth of evil actually cheers for more deaths?
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What I think is absolutley heinous, is that though the HCQ regimient might not be a cure all, it might work in some cases. So how many people might have not needed to die the past 4 months by this disinformation campaign.
I think that is part of the paranoia on the left. Not only the political aspects, but whether they may be held accountible 1000's, or 10,000's of thousands of deaths.
Good Morning America's Stephanopoulos was trashing HCQ this morning. What an @sshole.
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HCQ with zithromycin and zinc may be effective in many cases. The combo has proven to be effective, in fact. But the Dems say not to try it at all. I have to wonder why they oppose the propect of people recovering from this virus? What depth of evil actually cheers for more deaths?
The left wing of this country, that would destroy us to depose Trump.
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HCQ with zithromycin and zinc may be effective in many cases. The combo has proven to be effective, in fact. But the Dems say not to try it at all. I have to wonder why they oppose the propect of people recovering from this virus? What depth of evil actually cheers for more deaths?
$$$$$$ in the form of campaign donations from Big Pharma. Less than $100 for the entire HCQ treatment regememine vs many thousands per dose for a vaccine. It's not difficult to figure this one out @mountaineer
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$$$$$$ in the form of campaign donations from Big Pharma. Less than $100 for the entire HCQ treatment regememine vs many thousands per dose for a vaccine. It's not difficult to figure this one out @mountaineer
It is simpler than that.
A cheap, effective treatment for COVID removes the one essential thing that lets the Left use the disease to control people: FEAR.
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What I think is absolutley heinous, is that though the HCQ regimient might not be a cure all, it might work in some cases. So how many people might have not needed to die the past 4 months by this disinformation campaign.
I think that is part of the paranoia on the left. Not only the political aspects, but whether they may be held accountible 1000's, or 10,000's of thousands of deaths.
It is a drug that has been available since 1955, has a generic available, and is issued over-the counter in some countries.
Some doctors have said the side effects of Tylenol are worse.
That heart arrhythmia issue is very rare, and can be checked with an EKG.
Also, other meds can correct the HA if it arises.
HCQ is not, and has never been, a death sentence.
Used for Malaria, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Lupus, for several years.
I would be interested to find out about anyone taking it for something besides COVID.
Have they been test for COVID?
If positive, what were their symptoms like, mild, severe, etc., survived or not?
Have any of them been exposed and had negative test?
There has to be a pool of people out there.
It's a big world.
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It is simpler than that.
A cheap, effective treatment for COVID removes the one essential thing that lets the Left use the disease to control people: FEAR.
:yowsa: This is also true!
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/ (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/)
Keep the people in the dark!
Facebook has removed a video posted by Breitbart News earlier today, which was the top-performing Facebook post in the world Monday afternoon, of a press conference in D.C. held by the group America’s Frontline Doctors and organized and sponsored by the Tea Party Patriots. The press conference featured Rep. Ralph Norman (R-SC) and frontline doctors sharing their views and opinions on coronavirus and the medical response to the pandemic. YouTube (which is owned by Google) and Twitter subsequently removed footage of the press conference as well.
The video accumulated over 17 million views during the eight hours it was hosted on Facebook, with over 185,000 concurrent viewers.= article truncated
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07-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 16.193 ↑ | 1.503 ↓ |
| United States | 14.353 ↑ | 2.058 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, GA, & TN.
Today's* new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +728.
* 581 deaths were retroactively added to the total three days ago. The 'Today' number above includes that retroactive addition.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,206,902.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 16.
US recoveries continue to go uncounted. The 14-day recovery deficit has increased by 200,000 in less than two weeks.
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Facebook is lying – and people are dying
By Daniel Bobinski
July 29, 2020In the 1930’s, a skillful propagandist named Paul Joseph Goebbels was able to exercise great control over the news in Germany. Using radio – a new media at the time – and film, Goebbels influenced the country’s opinions on antisemitism, churches, and even the arts. One of his most useful techniques was censoring any message that didn’t agree with the Nazi Party’s objectives.
In 2020, the new media platforms of Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are similarly influencing the world’s opinion on matters of antisemitism, the church, the arts, and even healthcare. And, like Goebbels, one of their most useful techniques is censoring any message that doesn’t agree with their common objectives.
If you’ve been tracking the news at all over the past five months, you know there’s a group of people downplaying every treatment that emerges for treating Covid-19, saying instead that the infection can be cured only with a vaccine. I personally refer to this group as the global medical establishment, but let’s call it GME for short. ...
You should also know that Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are giving GME organizations the final word in all things medical, and no second opinions are allowed. As proof of this, consider YouTube’s CEO Susan Wojcicki saying this past April that any content on YouTube that goes “against the World Heath Organization recommendations†will be removed.
WebMD says you should get a second opinion whenever a treatment is experimental or there is no established consensus on a treatment, but the tech giants aren’t letting you have that. ...
Read entire article at UncoverDC (https://uncoverdc.com/2020/07/29/facebook-is-lying-and-people-are-dying/)
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With regard to the Ohio board of pharmacy forbidding pharmacists (https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-board-of-pharmacy-bans-dispensing-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus/)from filling prescriptions for HCQ:
Jesse Kelly @JesseKellyDC
Whatever you feel about coronavirus treatment/prevention, you’re an unthinking sheep if you’re not weirded out by the powerful entities determined to silence dissenting voices.
This is not medicine. This is not science. This has become a cult.
10:38 PM · Jul 29, 2020
Eric Chevlen @echevlen
Replying to @JesseKellyDC
I'm an Ohio physician. I am not persuaded that hydroxychloroquine is beneficial in treating COVID. Also, I disagree with the state limiting a doctor's prescribing it. Of all the unproven (and often unsafe) off-label prescribing that occurs, why forbid this one?
11:25 PM · Jul 29, 2020
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07-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 16.368 ↑ | 1.497 ↓ |
| United States | 14.593 ↑ | 2.035 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & AZ.
Today's* new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +319.
* 64 deaths were retroactively added to the total two days ago. The "Today's new death" number above includes that retroactive addition.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,217,863.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 16.
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Ohio's goobernor has reversed the pharmacy board (or his own previous order, who knows):
Governor Mike DeWine @GovMikeDeWine
I agree with the statement from Dr. Steven Hahn, Commissioner of @US_FDA, that the decision about prescribing hydroxychloroquine to treat #COVID19 should be between a doctor and a patient.
Therefore, I am asking the @OhioRxBoard to halt their new rule prohibiting the selling or dispensing of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19.
The Ohio Board of Pharmacy and @ohiomedboard should revisit the issue, listen to the best medical science, and open the process up for comment and testimony from experts.
9:30 AM · Jul 30, 2020·
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Ohio's goobernor has reversed the pharmacy board (or his own previous order, who knows):
There aren’t many things that can disturb a seasoned physician, but taking away their right to apply their clinical judgment in the doctor patient relationship is at the very top of a short list. Put another way, it pisses them off.
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07-31-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 16.601 ↑ | 1.488 ↓ |
| United States | 14.715 ↑ | 2.028 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +279.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,254,775.
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From my corner of the world....
https://ktxs.com/news/local/abilene-man-who-was-hospitalized-with-covid-19-claims-hydroxychloriquine-saved-his-life
Abilene man who was hospitalized with COVID-19 claims hydroxychloriquine saved his life
An Abilene man who was hospitalized after contracting COVID-19 told KTXS he believes hydroxychloroquine, a drug known for treating malaria, helped save his life.
In late March, 55-year-old Malcom Johnson said he felt the worst pain in his life.
"I couldn't lay down," said Johnson. "I started getting congestion, bad coughing a lot. My fever was weird because it would go up and down, up and down."
Johnson was sent to the emergency room at Hendrick Medical Center, where he said he was diagnosed with pneumonia and COVID-19.
"My breathing was real shallow," said Johnson. "I lost my sense of taste and smell.â€
Johnson said doctors gave him several antibiotics, as well as hydroxychloroquine -- a drug known to treat malaria.
“When they gave it to me, was that day I begin to move around and do stuff and in talk, I felt better," said Johnson. "I mean, I was still sick. I knew I was sick. But my thinking was clear enough and everything.â€
The FDA has warned against using the drug to treat coronavirus patients because it could have harmful side effects like heart rhythm or kidney problems.
A Brazilian study published by the New England Journal of Medicine argues hydroxychloroquine doesn't help fight the virus.
Johnson said he would take the drug again in a heartbeat.
"I didn't care," said Johnson. "They gave it to me and it worked. I'd take it again and I'd recommend it.â€
Johnson has recovered from COVID-19, but his sense of smell is still weak.
“I realize it was really bad," said Johnson. "And I should have understood that from the beginning.â€
While he was hospitalized, Johnson said he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes.
Johnson said his coronavirus diagnosis was a wake-up call to get his health in check.
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From my corner of the world....
https://ktxs.com/news/local/abilene-man-who-was-hospitalized-with-covid-19-claims-hydroxychloriquine-saved-his-life
Abilene man who was hospitalized with COVID-19 claims hydroxychloriquine saved his life
An Abilene man who was hospitalized after contracting COVID-19 told KTXS he believes hydroxychloroquine, a drug known for treating malaria, helped save his life.
In late March, 55-year-old Malcom Johnson said he felt the worst pain in his life.
"I couldn't lay down," said Johnson. "I started getting congestion, bad coughing a lot. My fever was weird because it would go up and down, up and down."
Johnson was sent to the emergency room at Hendrick Medical Center, where he said he was diagnosed with pneumonia and COVID-19.
"My breathing was real shallow," said Johnson. "I lost my sense of taste and smell.â€
Johnson said doctors gave him several antibiotics, as well as hydroxychloroquine -- a drug known to treat malaria.
“When they gave it to me, was that day I begin to move around and do stuff and in talk, I felt better," said Johnson. "I mean, I was still sick. I knew I was sick. But my thinking was clear enough and everything.â€
The FDA has warned against using the drug to treat coronavirus patients because it could have harmful side effects like heart rhythm or kidney problems.
A Brazilian study published by the New England Journal of Medicine argues hydroxychloroquine doesn't help fight the virus.
Johnson said he would take the drug again in a heartbeat.
"I didn't care," said Johnson. "They gave it to me and it worked. I'd take it again and I'd recommend it.â€
Johnson has recovered from COVID-19, but his sense of smell is still weak.
“I realize it was really bad," said Johnson. "And I should have understood that from the beginning.â€
While he was hospitalized, Johnson said he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes.
Johnson said his coronavirus diagnosis was a wake-up call to get his health in check.
Right the article said it MAY, COULD, MAYBE...give heart issues & kidney....AS OPPOSED TO DYNG FOR SURE. I WOULD USE ANY DRUG TO SAVE MY LIFE. Most of us already do! Blood pressure medicine, STATINS, blood thinners, aspirin. Some pain killers, SYNTHROID FOR ME, and meds for fibromyalgia pain. Central nervous system in spine.
This reminds me of doctors not wanting to give TERMINALLY ILL CANCER patients any addictive drugs, for fear of ADDICTION! They are dying, in pain! How crazy is that?
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The only thing to feral is ferality itself.
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We just lost another one to herion OD. Now only 7 dead this year of family and friends.
Not one from covid.
I have a terrible confession to make. I still like Joan Baez. But not as much as Linda Ronstadt.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srpwqf2MWAw#)
My two oldest g kids grandma is down with ALS. She is 52. My grandson is ten. He asked me to help him understand ALS. And why his grandma was going to die.
She has lost a lot of ground in the last 4 months.
The good news is she isn't dying from covid.
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From my corner of the world....
https://ktxs.com/news/local/abilene-man-who-was-hospitalized-with-covid-19-claims-hydroxychloriquine-saved-his-life (https://ktxs.com/news/local/abilene-man-who-was-hospitalized-with-covid-19-claims-hydroxychloriquine-saved-his-life)
Abilene man who was hospitalized with COVID-19 claims hydroxychloriquine saved his life
An Abilene man who was hospitalized after contracting COVID-19 told KTXS he believes hydroxychloroquine, a drug known for treating malaria, helped save his life.
In late March, 55-year-old Malcom Johnson said he felt the worst pain in his life.
"I couldn't lay down," said Johnson. "I started getting congestion, bad coughing a lot. My fever was weird because it would go up and down, up and down."
Johnson was sent to the emergency room at Hendrick Medical Center, where he said he was diagnosed with pneumonia and COVID-19.
"My breathing was real shallow," said Johnson. "I lost my sense of taste and smell.â€
Johnson said doctors gave him several antibiotics, as well as hydroxychloroquine -- a drug known to treat malaria.
“When they gave it to me, was that day I begin to move around and do stuff and in talk, I felt better," said Johnson. "I mean, I was still sick. I knew I was sick. But my thinking was clear enough and everything.â€
The FDA has warned against using the drug to treat coronavirus patients because it could have harmful side effects like heart rhythm or kidney problems.
A Brazilian study published by the New England Journal of Medicine argues hydroxychloroquine doesn't help fight the virus.
Johnson said he would take the drug again in a heartbeat.
"I didn't care," said Johnson. "They gave it to me and it worked. I'd take it again and I'd recommend it.â€
Johnson has recovered from COVID-19, but his sense of smell is still weak.
“I realize it was really bad," said Johnson. "And I should have understood that from the beginning.â€
While he was hospitalized, Johnson said he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes.
Johnson said his coronavirus diagnosis was a wake-up call to get his health in check.
THe study they are talking about (not the one nejm retracted) can be read here. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014)
I only scanned it, but saw no mention of zinc, which is critical to the regimen's efficacy. :shrug:
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THe study they are talking about (not the one nejm retracted) can be read here. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014)
I only scanned it, but saw no mention of zinc, which is critical to the regimen's efficacy. :shrug:
ZINC IS WORTHLESS, that's why no study mentions it. STOP IT.
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ZINC IS WORTHLESS, that's why no study mentions it. STOP IT.
Make your case.
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ZINC IS WORTHLESS, that's why no study mentions it. STOP IT.
Do a little research. Look at a product called Zicam, which uses zinc to help shorten the common cold. Zinc works....
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Do a little research. Look at a product called Zicam, which uses zinc to help shorten the common cold. Zinc works....
Correct. I can guarantee, if Feller is dying from covid, he would ASK, BEG, FOR ZINC...to survive! Zinc helps medicines to work better by "opening up" the cells for absorption. I am not a doctor, I just remember what I read. I have always used Zinc lozenges for sore throat. Works like a charm. Then ZINC OXIDE creme.
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Do a little research. Look at a product called Zicam, which uses zinc to help shorten the common cold. Zinc works....
Zicam is not only a “homeopathic medicine†which is to say, not a medicine at all, at best a placebo, it can also give you an outcome worse than a common cold.
https://www.rn.com/headlines-in-health/zicam-alert/
(https://www.rn.com/headlines-in-health/zicam-alert/)
The Top Five Cold Remedies That Do Not Work
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2014/11/17/the-top-five-cold-remedies-that-do-not-work/#2a53b0ae4701 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2014/11/17/the-top-five-cold-remedies-that-do-not-work/#2a53b0ae4701)
1. Zicam contains zinc as its active ingredient. There has been some evidence to suggest that taking zinc right at the onset of a cold might shorten its duration a little bit, from 7 days to 6. But as Dr. Terence Davidson from UC San Diego explained, if you look at the more rigorous studies, the effect vanishes. Zinc turns out to have some worrisome side effects, too. Zicam's nasal spray and gel versions were linked to a serious loss of the sense of smell (anosmia), which led the FDA to issue a warning letter in 2009. Zicam responded by withdrawing the product for a time, but their website now says "A clinical link between the Zicam® products and anosmia was not established." Strictly speaking, this is correct, but there have been published reports suggesting a link, such as this one from 2009.*
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Zicam is not only a “homeopathic medicine†which is to say, not a medicine at all, at best a placebo, it can also give you an outcome worse than a common cold.
https://www.rn.com/headlines-in-health/zicam-alert/
(https://www.rn.com/headlines-in-health/zicam-alert/)
The Top Five Cold Remedies That Do Not Work
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2014/11/17/the-top-five-cold-remedies-that-do-not-work/#2a53b0ae4701 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2014/11/17/the-top-five-cold-remedies-that-do-not-work/#2a53b0ae4701)
1. Zicam contains zinc as its active ingredient. There has been some evidence to suggest that taking zinc right at the onset of a cold might shorten its duration a little bit, from 7 days to 6. But as Dr. Terence Davidson from UC San Diego explained, if you look at the more rigorous studies, the effect vanishes. Zinc turns out to have some worrisome side effects, too. Zicam's nasal spray and gel versions were linked to a serious loss of the sense of smell (anosmia), which led the FDA to issue a warning letter in 2009. Zicam responded by withdrawing the product for a time, but their website now says "A clinical link between the Zicam® products and anosmia was not established." Strictly speaking, this is correct, but there have been published reports suggesting a link, such as this one from 2009.*
Every medication comes with an encyclopedia of exceptions, warnings and concerns. Individual reactions can always vary. Zinc supplements are no different. But, specific outcome measures can be established despite natural variances.
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Virol Journal. 2005 Aug 22;2:69. doi: 10.1186/1743-422X-2-69.
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
Martin J Vincent 1 , Eric Bergeron, Suzanne Benjannet, Bobbie R Erickson, Pierre E Rollin, Thomas G Ksiazek, Nabil G Seidah, Stuart T Nichol
Affiliations Expand
PMID: 16115318 PMCID: PMC1232869 DOI: 10.1186/1743-422X-2-69
Abstract
Background: Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.
Results: We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.
Conclusion:
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/
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My M.D. friend - the same one who asserts the virus has run its course - was recommending Zicam back in March. :shrug:
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Do a little research. Look at a product called Zicam, which uses zinc to help shorten the common cold. Zinc works....
You mean Zicam, the homeopathic remedy? Homeopathy, the long-discredited science that operates on the premise that if you're ailing, take something that causes the same ailment and make it worse?
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You mean Zicam, the homeopathic remedy? Homeopathy, the long-discredited science that operates on the premise that if you're ailing, take something that causes the same ailment and make it worse?
Are you suggesting that if a treatment is "Homeopathic," it's guaranteed to be ineffective? That doesn't make any sense.
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Virol Journal. 2005 Aug 22;2:69. doi: 10.1186/1743-422X-2-69.
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
Martin J Vincent 1 , Eric Bergeron, Suzanne Benjannet, Bobbie R Erickson, Pierre E Rollin, Thomas G Ksiazek, Nabil G Seidah, Stuart T Nichol
Affiliations Expand
PMID: 16115318 PMCID: PMC1232869 DOI: 10.1186/1743-422X-2-69
Abstract
Background: Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.
Results: We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.
Conclusion:
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/
Interesting. They also developed a vaccine. But shelved it when the spread stopped. They keep talking about potential vaccines for this current variation. I think, strictly my opinion, meaning I have no evidence, they already have a vaccine for covid 2.
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Are you suggesting that if a treatment is "Homeopathic," it's guaranteed to be ineffective? That doesn't make any sense.
Yes, because homeopathy by its very nature makes whatever you're ailing with even worse by compounding your existing disease with something that causes even more of it.
Fortunately, most modern homeopathic "remedies" are so heavily diluted they are effectively placebos.
Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a pseudoscientific system of alternative medicine. It was created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann. Its practitioners, called homeopaths, believe that a substance that causes symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people; this doctrine is called similia similibus curentur, or "like cures like".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
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Are you suggesting that if a treatment is "Homeopathic," it's guaranteed to be ineffective? That doesn't make any sense.
"Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a pseudoscientific system of alternative medicine. It was created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann. Its practitioners, called homeopaths, believe that a substance that causes symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people; this doctrine is called similia similibus curentur, or "like cures like". Homeopathic preparations are termed remedies and are made using homeopathic dilution. In this process, a chosen substance is repeatedly and thoroughly diluted. The final product is chemically indistinguishable from the diluent, which is usually either distilled water, ethanol or sugar; often, not even a single molecule of the original substance can be expected to remain in the product. Between the dilution iterations homeopaths practice hitting and/or violently shaking the product, and claim that it makes the diluent remember the original substance after its removal. Practitioners claim that such preparations, upon oral intake, can treat or cure disease."
https://www.bing.com/search?q=homeopathy+definition&qs=HS&sc=8-0&cvid=1F06F1A1148B4DC8874109C6CEE9BADF&FORM=CHRDEF&sp=1 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=homeopathy+definition&qs=HS&sc=8-0&cvid=1F06F1A1148B4DC8874109C6CEE9BADF&FORM=CHRDEF&sp=1)
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Just trying to understand how a substance being declared "Homeopathic" renders it useless in fighting a virus. Zinc doesn't know it's a placebo.
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Just trying to understand how a substance being declared "Homeopathic" renders it useless in fighting a virus. Zinc doesn't know it's a placebo.
Apparently something label homeopathic has virtually none of the substance it claims to be the active ingredient. So if you buy homeopathic zinc you get no actual zinc...
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You mean Zicam, the homeopathic remedy? Homeopathy, the long-discredited science that operates on the premise that if you're ailing, take something that causes the same ailment and make it worse?
Heaven forbid you get COVID19, but if you do will you just take nothing?
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Newly-reported infections seem to have taken a big uptick here in CT in the past few days. They had previously been running low for several weeks.
Don't know what's going on.
Could be reporting error.
Just don't know yet.
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Newly-reported infections seem to have taken a big uptick here in CT in the past few days. They had previously been running low for several weeks.
Don't know what's going on.
Could be reporting error.
Just don't know yet.
That's good as long as people aren't dying from it.
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ZINC IS WORTHLESS, that's why no study mentions it. STOP IT.
No study? Actually, many studies mention zinc in viral replication inhibition. But, quite possibly in an effort to reduce the efficacy of the regimen, zinc has been conspicuously absent from studies which show hydroxychloroquine to be less than effective, studies which also confined the study cohort to people who were in very advanced stages of the disease, often already in ICU and on ventilators and whose prognosis was grim, regardless.
For instance:
Zn(2+) inhibits coronavirus and arterivirus RNA polymerase activity in vitro and zinc ionophores block the replication of these viruses in cell culture (SARS-CoV is specifically mentioned).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/)
If you do a search of Zinc as an antiviral you will find a lot of journal mentions of Zinc as an antiviral, even with this Coronavirus. It is useless without an ionophore, which may include Hydroxychloroquine, Quercentin, or even flavonoids. It turns out apples are high in Quercentin, so maybe there is something to the old saw about "an apple a day..."
In addition to acting as a Zinc ionophore, hydroxychloroquine slightly modifies the ACE 2 receptor and reduces the ability of the virus to enter the cell by that mechanism and subtle pH (more basic--less acidic) changes in the cell. These mechanisms work in concert to slow the viral replication to the degree that the immune system can defeat the virus before the virus defeats the patient.
Chloroquine is more dangerous to use than hydroxychloroquine, and that is the reason hydroxychloroquine is used instead. Hydroxychloroquine has a decades long history of being prescribed as an antimalarial and in instances of people with Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis, both of which are immune system disorders, in which the immune system is attacking the body itself. I personally know people who have taken hydroxychloroquine for years without ill effect.
For a really nice explanation of the regimen (that You Tube missed), try here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9YFXo84lCk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9YFXo84lCk)
Keep in mind that this is a Global pandemic, and not all countries are tied up in the same politics as the US is in this election cycle. The drug, and the disease have been politicized to the degree that likely tens of thousands have unnecessarily died because of politics, starting with nursing home and extended care patients in New York and continuing because of the tremendous misinformation being spread about possible pharmacologies to fight the disease. What should have been simply about science has been polluted with political enmities and the patients suffer as a result.
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Just trying to understand how a substance being declared "Homeopathic" renders it useless in fighting a virus. Zinc doesn't know it's a placebo.
Zicam isn't homeopathic just because it is sold over the counter.
To fit the description of a homeopathic remedy it would have to claim to contain some dilution of the virus that caused your cold. (Not only difficult, but considering the common cold is caused by a number of Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses, it'd be really hard to start with the right mix of viruses to dilute to make sure your particular cold virus was in there , or not in there, whichever you prefer.) It doesn't claim that at all.
So, calling an OTC remedy a homeopathic when even it doesn't claim to be is a misapplication of the term "homeopathic", perhaps done to discredit the product. If it did not work for at least some people, it would not be on the market long.
Keep in mind, that vaccines commonly contain the bug you are vaccinating against, in some dilute and severely damaged form so it won't just be a lethal injection, so the body can build antibodies against the disease you are being vaccinated against--the whole purpose of the vaccine. Does that make vaccines homeopathic, too?
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Zicam isn't homeopathic just because it is sold over the counter.
To fit the description of a homeopathic remedy it would have to claim to contain some dilution of the virus that caused your cold. (Not only difficult, but considering the common cold is caused by a number of Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses, it'd be really hard to start with the right mix of viruses to dilute to make sure your particular cold virus was in there , or not in there, whichever you prefer.) It doesn't claim that at all.
So, calling an OTC remedy a homeopathic when even it doesn't claim to be is a misapplication of the term "homeopathic", perhaps done to discredit the product. If it did not work for at least some people, it would not be on the market long.
Keep in mind, that vaccines commonly contain the bug you are vaccinating against, in some dilute and severely damaged form so it won't just be a lethal injection, so the body can build antibodies against the disease you are being vaccinated against--the whole purpose of the vaccine. Does that make vaccines homeopathic, too?
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According to the definition of "homeopathy" above in the Bing search the homeopathic agent only has to cause the symptoms of whatever the illness is. Based on that it sounds like it doesn't have to be the actual agent that made someone sick in the first place. It only has to produce similar symptoms. And then the dilution is to the point it may not even contain a single molecule of the agent that was started with. That the dilution has a "memory of it" and that is what cures you...
So in other words it is a belief system and nothing to do with science...
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According to the definition of "homeopathy" above in the Bing search the homeopathic agent only has to cause the symptoms of whatever the illness is. Based on that it sounds like it doesn't have to be the actual agent that made someone sick in the first place. It only has to produce similar symptoms. And then the dilution is to the point it may not even contain a single molecule of the agent that was started with. That the dilution has a "memory of it" and that is what cures you...
So in other words it is a belief system and nothing to do with science...
In the meantime, zinc has been shown to be beneficial, even as a cold remedy. Keep in mind, that all people vary, viruses vary, and nothing is 100%.
https://www.uchealth.org/today/zinc-could-help-diminish-extent-of-covid-19/ (https://www.uchealth.org/today/zinc-could-help-diminish-extent-of-covid-19/)
Zn2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176 (https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176)
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Zicam isn't homeopathic just because it is sold over the counter.
To fit the description of a homeopathic remedy it would have to claim to contain some dilution of the virus that caused your cold. (Not only difficult, but considering the common cold is caused by a number of Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses, it'd be really hard to start with the right mix of viruses to dilute to make sure your particular cold virus was in there , or not in there, whichever you prefer.) It doesn't claim that at all.
So, calling an OTC remedy a homeopathic when even it doesn't claim to be is a misapplication of the term "homeopathic", perhaps done to discredit the product. If it did not work for at least some people, it would not be on the market long.
Keep in mind, that vaccines commonly contain the bug you are vaccinating against, in some dilute and severely damaged form so it won't just be a lethal injection, so the body can build antibodies against the disease you are being vaccinated against--the whole purpose of the vaccine. Does that make vaccines homeopathic, too?
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@Smokin Joe I appreciate your weighing in. I remember you had a really good technical description of why zinc is important to the treatment. I don't mess with Zicam, it never did me any good.
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Since most of the big chain stores instituted mandatory masks there has been a huge drop in customers.
There are enough other local businesses that may have higher prices, but I would rather give them my dollars than submit to any thing "mandatory".
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In the meantime, zinc has been shown to be beneficial, even as a cold remedy. Keep in mind, that all people vary, viruses vary, and nothing is 100%.
https://www.uchealth.org/today/zinc-could-help-diminish-extent-of-covid-19/ (https://www.uchealth.org/today/zinc-could-help-diminish-extent-of-covid-19/)
Zn2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176 (https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176)
I'm not arguing. I never really knew what homeopathic meant until I looked it up today... I was a little shocked at what I found...
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@Smokin Joe I appreciate your weighing in. I remember you had a really good technical description of why zinc is important to the treatment. I don't mess with Zicam, it never did me any good.
I don't remember if Zicam was the first zinc product to come out as a cold treatment but I remember when I tried zinc for a cold it really messed up my sense of taste that lasted days so I didn't take it anymore and don't recommend others take it for that reason.
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@Smokin Joe I appreciate your weighing in. I remember you had a really good technical description of why zinc is important to the treatment. I don't mess with Zicam, it never did me any good.
I don't use Zicam, but then, I don't catch colds. :shrug:
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I don't use Zicam, but then, I don't catch colds. :shrug:
Dittos. For some strange reason, colds are not common in the Mojave Desert. (I changed Deserts. Used to be the Sonoran.)
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I don't use Zicam, but then, I don't catch colds. :shrug:
I have used Zicam and believe it did exactly what the label claims it will do (lessen the length and severity of the cold).
I rarely get a cold so I don't use it often but it is in our medicine cabinet.
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I don't remember if Zicam was the first zinc product to come out as a cold treatment but I remember when I tried zinc for a cold it really messed up my sense of taste that lasted days so I didn't take it anymore and don't recommend others take it for that reason.
I have been told a cold can mess up your sense of taste, too.
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I have been told a cold can mess up your sense of taste, too.
Yes, but this was different. It isn't that you can't taste or that things tasted bad. The zinc leaves a bad after taste that didn't go away for quite awhile. It wasn't a single event. It was the zinc Lozenges specifically. The cold may have gone away quicker but the consequences weren't worth it.
For me vitamin D3 supplements (> 2,000 IU a day) did wonders for me. But I'm allergic to the sun... I went from getting pretty sick for a week and having a fever to wondering if I had a cold or not... And if I decided I did have a cold it rarely lasted more than a couple of days. But I was severely vitamin D deficient for many years before I figured out what I needed to do... I had been taking a multivitamin with D3 for years but it was only around 200 IU which wasn't nearly enough to make a difference.
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I don't use Zicam, but then, I don't catch colds. :shrug:
My guess is you get a lot of sun. Sun makes a big difference.
I'm very pale... I don't tan much and get sun burnt in short order... So I avoid the sun... So I brilliantly moved to AZ, LOL...
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Most multi-vitamins contain zinc. Zinc is not a cure for COVID, but it enhances the clinical efficacy of hydroxychloronique along with the zpack and I have also read that doxycycline has been given instead of the zpack.
I don't know if anyone has tried Airborne but it also contains a good amount of zinc along with minerals, vitamins and herbs.
Whether taking a multi-vitamin, or Airborne, probiotics, sambucus/elderberry, etc., it's not that they prevent the virus, but they build up your immune system to help fight the virus.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04370782
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08-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 16.791 ↑ | 1.482 ↓ |
| United States | 14.849 ↑ | 2.022 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +321.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,285,693.
Top 5 total infection States (as % of population): LA, AZ, NY, FL, NJ
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Yes, but this was different. It isn't that you can't taste or that things tasted bad. The zinc leaves a bad after taste that didn't go away for quite awhile. It wasn't a single event. It was the zinc Lozenges specifically. The cold may have gone away quicker but the consequences weren't worth it.
For me vitamin D3 supplements (> 2,000 IU a day) did wonders for me. But I'm allergic to the sun... I went from getting pretty sick for a week and having a fever to wondering if I had a cold or not... And if I decided I did have a cold it rarely lasted more than a couple of days. But I was severely vitamin D deficient for many years before I figured out what I needed to do... I had been taking a multivitamin with D3 for years but it was only around 200 IU which wasn't nearly enough to make a difference.
The important part is that you found out what worked for you. Not every remedy works for every person (otherwise, there'd only be one thing on the shelves).
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The important part is that you found out what worked for you. Not every remedy works for every person (otherwise, there'd only be one thing on the shelves).
That's not what Zelenko said.
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You mean Zicam, the homeopathic remedy? Homeopathy, the long-discredited science that operates on the premise that if you're ailing, take something that causes the same ailment and make it worse?
Zicam USED to contain zinc. When I felt a cold coming on it would knock it out in a day. Then there was this lawsuit where people claimed it made the lose their sense of smell, and they took out the zinc and reformulated it to something "homeopathic." Now it's crap.
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That's not what Zelenko said.
When did Zelenko say You HAVE to take this...Or You can't take that?
He didn't.
Now, I'm going by memory, and I only watched his video twice, not counting backing up through parts of it and running them by again to make sure my notes were correct, and we can't go back and check one more time, because people who do not and did not want an inexpensive and effective treatment which did not require hospitalization REMOVED THE VIDEO, but I never heard him say that it wasn't important to find out what works for you.
Zinc supplements are so hazardous you can find them just about anywhere that sells supplements, OTC.
Zelenko never said his regimen was the only thing, just that it worked.
BTW, I'm not Zelenko, and I said:The important part is that you found out what worked for you. Not every remedy works for every person (otherwise, there'd only be one thing on the shelves).
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08-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 16.901 ↑ | 1.481 ↓ |
| United States | 14.965 ↑ | 2.016 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & AZ.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +243.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,312,470.
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When did Zelenko say You HAVE to take this...Or You can't take that?
Zelenko claimed a 100% success rate. In other words, a treatment that worked for every person. You've been hawking Zelenko's (Corsi's) scam for months now.
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Zelenko claimed a 100% success rate. In other words, a treatment that worked for every person. You've been hawking Zelenko's (Corsi's) scam for months now.
I did my own research.
He did not claim a 100% success rate, but a very high one. Why is that credible? The regimen was given to everyone at the first onset of symptoms, no waiting for a covid test (which could take weeks, then). Do we know all those people had the disease? No, we don't. But of nearly 1000 people, only two ended up in the hospital. He doesn't have much chance to say much nowadays, being censored and all.
If there is the good science to show why this doesn't work, not just studies where sound alike drugs are given in lethal doses or last gasp patients administered a treatment for early stage disease, then open up the debate, instead of doing the typical liberal Leftist gig of silencing those who don't agree.
Since the regimen is most effective at very early onset, it makes sense that it would be effective when given when the first symptoms appear. We aren't talking 98 year old bedridden veterans on a ventilator, we're talking walk-in patients.
As for Corsi, I didn't know he had anything to do with it. Is he a doctor?
If not, maybe he is promoting something that works, and not prescribing medication.
There is no profit motive in off the shelf decades old medications, there is no patent, no money to make at well under $50 per patient, no real gain in sticking your professional neck out and saying this works, yet an awful lot of doctors are doing just that and bucking the CDC, NIAID, and the WHO to do so.
You won't see them on CNN, YouTube or Facebook, because the WHO and CDC are heavily vested in vaccine $$$$ and grant money, and have blacklisted such revelations, having those posts removed from those media.
A couple of my own were removed, and those were linked peer reviewed journal articles that didn't agree with the CDC. So go on, sing the party line (whatever Party you are partying with) and watch the bodies stack up--or, hopefully, not. But the guys calling the shots from the WHO, CDC, and NIAID have been wrong more often than not.
Virtually everyone decrying this regimen, usually with deeply flawed "studies", including two that were RETRACTED from Medical Journals (something virtually unheard of), does have an ax to grind, money to make off more expensive protocols, or a vaccine to pimp, or grant money to attract, and are heavily invested in that. The rest are basking in newfound power (the power to wreck an economy!--OUR economy!) and pushing panic like a Cuomo to keep Americans locked down, fiscally devastated, to use all of that for political power. The end game is to spend the US into insolvency and lose reserve currency status for the dollar and claim it is "for the people".
The Communists and their toadies in the Democrat Party are making their play, having failed to find reason to remove Trump. Wake up and smell the dungheap.
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@Smokin Joe I appreciate your weighing in. I remember you had a really good technical description of why zinc is important to the treatment. I don't mess with Zicam, it never did me any good.
I know Zicam quite well as I was a stockholder. I was sitting on a HUGE profit, when the news came out about the potential loss of smell. Easy come easy go.....lol.
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According to the definition of "homeopathy" above in the Bing search the homeopathic agent only has to cause the symptoms of whatever the illness is. Based on that it sounds like it doesn't have to be the actual agent that made someone sick in the first place. It only has to produce similar symptoms. And then the dilution is to the point it may not even contain a single molecule of the agent that was started with. That the dilution has a "memory of it" and that is what cures you...
So in other words it is a belief system and nothing to do with science...
Zinc is not an homeopathic product. It is a mineral and thus falls in the supply side, not as medicine. Food-as-medicine. Homeopathy does NOT believe that, for instance, vitamin C or Iron can be 'represented' by a minute amount. That is simply ridiculous.
OF COURSE you need a material quantity sufficient to the purpose. NO ONE would argue that you only need a little bit of any vitamin or mineral.
Properly, the argument is found in the basic principles = Allopathic medicine is not the only means of treatment, nor is it always the best treatment. Western medicine is great for cutting things off and bolting things back on. It is probably superior in pain relief (at the cost of addiction). These are conditions where treating the suffering (the symptom) actually works.
But it is not superior in creating cures, especially to long term maladies, nor in it's approach to maintenance wrt that which cannot be cured... I know, I'm living it.
Since I got up out of my wheelchair, and basically threw away the medical doctors, going back to a form of naturopathy - basically food-as-med, foraged medicine, native medicine, and even homeopathy at times, my health has been doubling and redoubling... To include pain management, having eschewed the loretab 7.5s I was taking 3-5 times a day all winter long (with the benefit of having broken the addiction cycle).
Walk a mile in my shoes and you are liable to change your mind.
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Zinc is not an homeopathic product. It is a mineral and thus falls in the supply side, not as medicine. Food-as-medicine. Homeopathy does NOT believe that, for instance, vitamin C or Iron can be 'represented' by a minute amount. That is simply ridiculous.
OF COURSE you need a material quantity sufficient to the purpose. NO ONE would argue that you only need a little bit of any vitamin or mineral.
Properly, the argument is found in the basic principles = Allopathic medicine is not the only means of treatment, nor is it always the best treatment. Western medicine is great for cutting things off and bolting things back on. It is probably superior in pain relief (at the cost of addiction). These are conditions where treating the suffering (the symptom) actually works.
But it is not superior in creating cures, especially to long term maladies, nor in it's approach to maintenance wrt that which cannot be cured... I know, I'm living it.
Since I got up out of my wheelchair, and basically threw away the medical doctors, going back to a form of naturopathy - basically food-as-med, foraged medicine, native medicine, and even homeopathy at times, my health has been doubling and redoubling... To include pain management, having eschewed the loretab 7.5s I was taking 3-5 times a day all winter long (with the benefit of having broken the addiction cycle).
Walk a mile in my shoes and you are liable to change your mind.
I'm sorry, I'm not following. I was talking about what homeopathy is which by definition is not science based. As far as modern medicine the usefulness varies widely. I have had closed angle glaucoma and have had laser holes drilled through my irides to relieve the pressure. I'd simply be blind if I hadn't done so quickly. I've had kidney cancer with 20% of one kidney removed by robotic surgery. I'd be dead already if I hadn't. Survival rates are typically around 8% in five years and close to zero after 10 years. I've also had a heart attack that required stints... I'd either be dead or close to it if that hadn't been done. So I have a lot to be thankful for due to modern medicine. If I had been born a decade or two before I would have had a very different outcomes.
In some areas modern medicine has clearly gone off the rails. Nutrition and food sciences is one of those areas. But it in general it is going in the right direction making corrections as it goes along.
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I'm sorry, I'm not following. I was talking about what homeopathy is which by definition is not science based. As far as modern medicine the usefulness varies widely. I have had closed angle glaucoma and have had laser holes drilled through my irides to relieve the pressure. I'd simply be blind if I hadn't done so quickly. I've had kidney cancer with 20% of one kidney removed by robotic surgery. I'd be dead already if I hadn't. Survival rates are typically around 8% in five years and close to zero after 10 years. I've also had a heart attack that required stints... I'd either be dead or close to it if that hadn't been done. So I have a lot to be thankful for due to modern medicine. If I had been born a decade or two before I would have had a very different outcomes.
In some areas modern medicine has clearly gone off the rails. Nutrition and food sciences is one of those areas. But it in general it is going in the right direction making corrections as it goes along.
I'm not sure what "science based" really means anymore. There are indigenous peoples all over with thousands of years of experience at treating certian ailments. Does any of that count as science?
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I'm not sure what "science based" really means anymore. There are indigenous peoples all over with thousands of years of experience at treating certian ailments. Does any of that count as science?
It may. There's a very wide range of possibilities there since there's no written record of how it was acquired... Learning from trial and error over long periods I would say is science based with the available resources at the time. Testing, experimenting and getting a repeatable result based on what was learned is science. But there's also the Voodoo end of the spectrum which is anything but...
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Is it a coincidence that as soon as politicians started using the phrase, "science based," science as we know it became debased?
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Is it a coincidence that as soon as politicians started using the phrase, "science based," science as we know it became debased?
Which is rather my point. As @DB notes above getting repeatable results was once a part of the science game but that seems to have gone by the wayside.
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Is it a coincidence that as soon as politicians started using the phrase, "science based," science as we know it became debased?
@Cyber Liberty
No. The minute something becomes recognized as being beneficial,it gets patent protection,and the money boys take control away from the research scientists. When that happens,it all becomes about protecting the product from copying or modifications,marketing,and advertising.
It's not medicine anymore. It's "product".
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I know Zicam quite well as I was a stockholder. I was sitting on a HUGE profit, when the news came out about the potential loss of smell. Easy come easy go.....lol.
That is only temporary. I use ZINC LOZENGES....all the time, with a sore throat. Zinc oxide creme for other skin issues. So, people would choose to DIE...over losing some smell ability? I've used ZINC for about 20 years. IT WORKS.
My sense of smell is as keen as ever. UNFORTUNATELY! LOL People are always surprised when I detect, smoke, some chemical. Apt. Complex. Townhouses all connected. 3 doors down. At 2 in the morning, I was awoken by some 'paint' smell. Turns out, that apt. dweller was using his garage to paint cars, as a side business. The person, with me, SMELLED...NOTHING. In a grocery store, if someone is a heavy smoker and at the other end, of the aisle...I can tell and smell nicotine! Zinc did not destroy my sense of smell.
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Cites Studies Showing Virus Lockdowns Killing More Children Than COVID
The lockdown is more harmful to children than the disease, making many people wonder just how bloodthirsty democrats really are.
Georgette by Georgette
Crazy. (Source: UNICEF YouTube Screenshot)
Democrats and liberals around the country are fighting to continue unlawful lockdowns, but officials at the United Nations have cited a study that proves such tactics are more deadly to children than the actual virus.
School closures are doing more harm than good, making many people wonder just how many people democrats want to see dead.
Summit News reported:
In a presentation seeking extra funding for coronavirus efforts, UNICEF director Henrietta H Fore said Monday, “The repercussions of the pandemic are causing more harm to children than the disease itself.â€
UNICEF nutrition program chief Victor Aguayo noted that the most harm is being done “by having schools closed, by having primary health care services disrupted, by having nutritional programs dysfunctional.â€
The officials pointed to a study published in The Lancet that notes “physical distancing, school closures, trade restrictions, and country lockdowns†are worsening global child malnutrition.
The study estimates that an extra 6.7 million children will be at risk, and that lockdowns and other coronavirus responses could lead to more than 10,000 additional child deaths every month.
The UNICEF officials noted that would mean 128,000 more deaths among children within the next year.
Study: Global Lockdowns Killing 10,000 Children Per Monthhttps://t.co/GG9DWHZpe
The study complies research from the Washington-based International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
It concludes that shut down strategies could lead to “life-long impacts on education, chronic disease risks, and overall human capital formation,†in addition to “intergenerational consequences for child growth and development.â€
The estimates are said to “likely to be conservative, given that the duration of this crisis is unknown, and its full impacts on food, health, and social protection systems are yet to be realized.
The study dovetails with other research that has concluded lockdowns will conservatively “destroy at least seven times more years of human life†than they save.
The German government has concluded that the impact of the country’s lockdown could end up killing more people than the coronavirus due to victims of other serious illnesses not receiving treatment.
As we have previously highlighted, in the UK there have already been up to 10,000 excess deaths as a result of seriously ill people avoiding hospitals due to COVID-19 or not having their hospital treatments cancelled.
A data analyst consortium in South Africa also found that the economic consequences of the country’s lockdown will lead to 29 times more people dying than the coronavirus itself.
Hundreds of doctors are also on record as opposing lockdown measures, warning that they will cause more death than the coronavirus itself.
While globalists have urged that lockdowns need to continue, medical and economic experts across the board in multiple countries are warning that the loss of life will be much greater than that caused directly by the virus itself, if lockdowns are not scrapped.
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I'm sorry, I'm not following. I was talking about what homeopathy is which by definition is not science based.
One would have to ask, a definition written by whom?
And I do have some experience with this homeopathic 'little bit' to cause the body to react - My daughter was a heart baby... Long story... 3 months old, life flight to Great falls, life flight to Salt Lake City... Dead three times in the air. Horror friggin highway
But one of the many miracles that happened there was our wierdo midwife, who follows the wind... She literally took it upon herself to show up, and I am not kidding at all when I say she had a grand entrance in the very nick of time.
The setting is an ICU ward at Primary Children's care - A ward where even the nurses are qualified doctors, and where care is so necessary and immediate that if the bells go off, you are simply ushered out of the way, and her team of doctors show up to attempt to fix her right there on her bed.
One such emergency was underway when that midwife showed up... And the doctors were losing bigtime. But weirdo midwife lady strode among them with the authority of God Himself and surreptitiously ground one of those sugar pills into/under the skin of her skull... And within 30 seconds she stabilized completely, with western doctors scratching their heads...
And the first words of the midwife to me after driving all night in a blizzard to arrive in time to save my daughter, was that she was super tired and needed to sleep, but that I had to wake her up in exactly four hours and 45 minutes, because she would crash again in 5 hours... And so it went, over and over and over again, at least five more times, with her walking up, administering her potion, and immediate recovery...
As far as modern medicine the usefulness varies widely. I have had closed angle glaucoma and have had laser holes drilled through my irides to relieve the pressure. I'd simply be blind if I hadn't done so quickly. I've had kidney cancer with 20% of one kidney removed by robotic surgery. I'd be dead already if I hadn't. Survival rates are typically around 8% in five years and close to zero after 10 years. I've also had a heart attack that required stints... I'd either be dead or close to it if that hadn't been done. So I have a lot to be thankful for due to modern medicine. If I had been born a decade or two before I would have had a very different outcomes.
In some areas modern medicine has clearly gone off the rails. Nutrition and food sciences is one of those areas. But it in general it is going in the right direction making corrections as it goes along.
Perhaps I have been to glib, or too succinct in putting my point across... That heart baby would have been dead that very day without the magnificent western doctors assigned her care, and the necessary surgery which was the first cause - Even the ones who caught her malady early, and provided diagnosis early, and the system itself, that whisked her away in her very fragile state, and sustained her...
I myself have been in intensive care on two occasions, plus a kidney problem, plus several more occasions where I was nearly hospitalized, where I would have been dead without their care - I too owe them credit where it is due.
What I am saying is that it is not always due, and there are other ways that you should become aware of, because allopathic medicine is not the only game in town. Nor is it the only one with science in it's backing, not that science is the pinnacle of proof either. And as for homeopathy, I have seen it demonstrated right before my eyes. As did those doctors at that prestigious hospital, who knew she was doing something - and let her.
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One would have to ask, a definition written by whom?
And I do have some experience with this homeopathic 'little bit' to cause the body to react - My daughter was a heart baby... Long story... 3 months old, life flight to Great falls, life flight to Salt Lake City... Dead three times in the air. Horror friggin highway
But one of the many miracles that happened there was our wierdo midwife, who follows the wind... She literally took it upon herself to show up, and I am not kidding at all when I say she had a grand entrance in the very nick of time.
The setting is an ICU ward at Primary Children's care - A ward where even the nurses are qualified doctors, and where care is so necessary and immediate that if the bells go off, you are simply ushered out of the way, and her team of doctors show up to attempt to fix her right there on her bed.
One such emergency was underway when that midwife showed up... And the doctors were losing bigtime. But weirdo midwife lady strode among them with the authority of God Himself and surreptitiously ground one of those sugar pills into/under the skin of her skull... And within 30 seconds she stabilized completely, with western doctors scratching their heads...
And the first words of the midwife to me after driving all night in a blizzard to arrive in time to save my daughter, was that she was super tired and needed to sleep, but that I had to wake her up in exactly four hours and 45 minutes, because she would crash again in 5 hours... And so it went, over and over and over again, at least five more times, with her walking up, administering her potion, and immediate recovery...
Perhaps I have been to glib, or too succinct in putting my point across... That heart baby would have been dead that very day without the magnificent western doctors assigned her care, and the necessary surgery which was the first cause - Even the ones who caught her malady early, and provided diagnosis early, and the system itself, that whisked her away in her very fragile state, and sustained her...
I myself have been in intensive care on two occasions, plus a kidney problem, plus several more occasions where I was nearly hospitalized, where I would have been dead without their care - I too owe them credit where it is due.
What I am saying is that it is not always due, and there are other ways that you should become aware of, because allopathic medicine is not the only game in town. Nor is it the only one with science in it's backing, not that science is the pinnacle of proof either. And as for homeopathy, I have seen it demonstrated right before my eyes. As did those doctors at that prestigious hospital, who knew she was doing something - and let her.
It was defined by the guy who created it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
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So how did Homeopathy become "Witch Doctor Medicine," anyway?
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One would have to ask, a definition written by whom?
And I do have some experience with this homeopathic 'little bit' to cause the body to react - My daughter was a heart baby... Long story... 3 months old, life flight to Great falls, life flight to Salt Lake City... Dead three times in the air. Horror friggin highway
But one of the many miracles that happened there was our wierdo midwife, who follows the wind... She literally took it upon herself to show up, and I am not kidding at all when I say she had a grand entrance in the very nick of time.
The setting is an ICU ward at Primary Children's care - A ward where even the nurses are qualified doctors, and where care is so necessary and immediate that if the bells go off, you are simply ushered out of the way, and her team of doctors show up to attempt to fix her right there on her bed.
One such emergency was underway when that midwife showed up... And the doctors were losing bigtime. But weirdo midwife lady strode among them with the authority of God Himself and surreptitiously ground one of those sugar pills into/under the skin of her skull... And within 30 seconds she stabilized completely, with western doctors scratching their heads...
And the first words of the midwife to me after driving all night in a blizzard to arrive in time to save my daughter, was that she was super tired and needed to sleep, but that I had to wake her up in exactly four hours and 45 minutes, because she would crash again in 5 hours... And so it went, over and over and over again, at least five more times, with her walking up, administering her potion, and immediate recovery...
Perhaps I have been to glib, or too succinct in putting my point across... That heart baby would have been dead that very day without the magnificent western doctors assigned her care, and the necessary surgery which was the first cause - Even the ones who caught her malady early, and provided diagnosis early, and the system itself, that whisked her away in her very fragile state, and sustained her...
I myself have been in intensive care on two occasions, plus a kidney problem, plus several more occasions where I was nearly hospitalized, where I would have been dead without their care - I too owe them credit where it is due.
What I am saying is that it is not always due, and there are other ways that you should become aware of, because allopathic medicine is not the only game in town. Nor is it the only one with science in it's backing, not that science is the pinnacle of proof either. And as for homeopathy, I have seen it demonstrated right before my eyes. As did those doctors at that prestigious hospital, who knew she was doing something - and let her.
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Many medicines come from natural products. Aspirin, willow tree. Many old world poultices work. We have just forgotten about them. Old world remedy for arthritis. Put a freshly sheared lambs wool on knees. Do not wash the wool first. There is scientific proof, about OILS being good for arthritis. Grated raw potato for burns. We all know about baking soda.
When I was an infant, born during ww 2 (new born) I was dying from bloody dissenterry. sp? Diarrhea. Nothing would stop it. My grandmother kept announcing I was going to DIE ANY MINUTE. "Now, she is dead! " Doctors didn't know what to do. Finally one doctor thought of charcoal. It was called animal charcoal. I was given that with mothers milk....and here I am to annoy all TBR'S! I use charcoal, when I had painful gas issues. Worked, every time. Charcoal absorbs the 'gas'. Better than Beano. I always keep it on hand. My daughters cat, had eating issues. I told her to try charcoal in her food. It helped and her 21 year old cat, lived a few more months!
Then we have silver, a natural antibiotic. People put real silver coins into milk, to keep it lasting longer. GARLIC/ONIONS a natural form of antibiotics too. That is why chicken soup is good for health problems. An onion juice, put into ear when infected, helps. Using a raw onion in mouth, when one has gingivitis. I use coconut oil, for "gum pulling'. One swishes some coconut oil in the mouth for a few minutes. Repeat. Keep the oil in as long as you can. Then spit out. I learned it too, has bacteria fighting properties. Then we all know CLOVE OIL..for a toothache. I think, I posted enough. happy77
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Peppermint, Ginger and Chamomille -- all have a calming effect, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties (some more than others).
Aloe vera is excellent, it has; antibacterial, antifungal, analgesic, anesthetic, antiseptic, anti-viral, anti-microbial and anti-inflammatory properties and is used for a vast number of ailments. The healing properties of aloe vera is quite amazing.
Over the years I have had much better luck with 'natural remedies' more often than with most prescription medications.
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Peppermint, Ginger and Chamomille -- all have a calming effect, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties (some more than others).
Aloe vera is excellent, it has; antibacterial, antifungal, analgesic, anesthetic, antiseptic, anti-viral, anti-microbial and anti-inflammatory properties and is used for a vast number of ailments. The healing properties of aloe vera is quite amazing.
Over the years I have had much better luck with 'natural remedies' more often than with most prescription medications.
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Many medicines come from natural products. Aspirin, willow tree. Many old world poultices work. We have just forgotten about them. Old world remedy for arthritis. Put a freshly sheared lambs wool on knees. Do not wash the wool first. There is scientific proof, about OILS being good for arthritis. Grated raw potato for burns. We all know about baking soda.
When I was an infant, born during ww 2 (new born) I was dying from bloody dissenterry. sp? Diarrhea. Nothing would stop it. My grandmother kept announcing I was going to DIE ANY MINUTE. "Now, she is dead! " Doctors didn't know what to do. Finally one doctor thought of charcoal. It was called animal charcoal. I was given that with mothers milk....and here I am to annoy all TBR'S! I use charcoal, when I had painful gas issues. Worked, every time. Charcoal absorbs the 'gas'. Better than Beano. I always keep it on hand. My daughters cat, had eating issues. I told her to try charcoal in her food. It helped and her 21 year old cat, lived a few more months!
Then we have silver, a natural antibiotic. People put real silver coins into milk, to keep it lasting longer. GARLIC/ONIONS a natural form of antibiotics too. That is why chicken soup is good for health problems. An onion juice, put into ear when infected, helps. Using a raw onion in mouth, when one has gingivitis. I use coconut oil, for "gum pulling'. One swishes some coconut oil in the mouth for a few minutes. Repeat. Keep the oil in as long as you can. Then spit out. I learned it too, has bacteria fighting properties. Then we all know CLOVE OIL..for a toothache. I think, I posted enough. happy77
You and I are in large agreement on this - I use willow bark routinely instead of aspirin... My medicine cabinet looks far more like forage than it does 'medicine'... Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing... Fire cider keeps me well - I make it every harvest and then again around turkey day... Just a shot a day through the winter and spring, and I never get sick anymore. Chaga tea is another staple... Not that heavy into homeopathy and them little sugar pills, though I have some of it - Arnica comes to mind... Mostly I do native and hillbilly remedies, and my doc is an authentic Cheyenne medicine man (and a hillbilly). Everyone up in the holler knows who hr is... Costs me a bag of tobacco to see him, and we usually wind up on his porch drinking shine.
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You and I are in large agreement on this - I use willow bark routinely instead of aspirin... My medicine cabinet looks far more like forage than it does 'medicine'... Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing... Fire cider keeps me well - I make it every harvest and then again around turkey day... Just a shot a day through the winter and spring, and I never get sick anymore. Chaga tea is another staple... Not that heavy into homeopathy and them little sugar pills, though I have some of it - Arnica comes to mind... Mostly I do native and hillbilly remedies, and my doc is an authentic Cheyenne medicine man (and a hillbilly). Everyone up in the holler knows who hr is... Costs me a bag of tobacco to see him, and we usually wind up on his porch drinking shine.
Hmmm... I play tennis with my Dr. happy77
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Hmmm... I play tennis with my Dr. happy77
Well, I guess I got the better end of that deal... Besides, I don't think Five Bears plays tennis. I wouldn't know because white shorts don't fit my hillbilly ass. :shrug:
Horse shoes maybe.. shootin skeet over the slough... Knife or tommy throwin... Archery... Ranging rifles... Tennis don't come up much.
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You and I are in large agreement on this - I use willow bark routinely instead of aspirin... My medicine cabinet looks far more like forage than it does 'medicine'... Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing... Fire cider keeps me well - I make it every harvest and then again around turkey day... Just a shot a day through the winter and spring, and I never get sick anymore. Chaga tea is another staple... Not that heavy into homeopathy and them little sugar pills, though I have some of it - Arnica comes to mind... Mostly I do native and hillbilly remedies, and my doc is an authentic Cheyenne medicine man (and a hillbilly). Everyone up in the holler knows who hr is... Costs me a bag of tobacco to see him, and we usually wind up on his porch drinking shine.
How do you make fire cider? CINNAMON? I made some homemade liqure , using cinnamon & vodka.
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Hmmm... I play tennis with my Dr. happy77
I make mine homemade cookies. Real fresh chocolate chip cookies. Plenty of chunks of chocolate & lot of walnuts. Real butter, butter cookies. I make enough for his office to enjoy them too. I guess, I can't do that anymore, with COVID and who knows, what crazy is going on now.
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How do you make fire cider? CINNAMON? I made some homemade liqure , using cinnamon & vodka.
This is pretty much what I do:
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CINNAMON: I keep cinnamon tea concentrate, thick, blood red, in the fridge at all times. That and thyme tea are pretty instrumental around here for cleaning out the lungs and nasal passages.
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Of course charcoal or AC Vinegar for belly and gut, depending on which way it needs to swing...
@roamer_1
The only thing more surprising to me than the number of people who have never heard of drinking a small amount of vinegar to "cure" acid re-flux is the number of them that don't believe me when I tell them about it.
I have never seen anything that will settle an upset stomach as well,and it works pretty much instantly.
I threw away my rolaids once I discovered this,and haven't bought any in decades.
Hell,all they had to do was TRY it,and AFAIK,not a single one did. Or if they did,they never told me.
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@roamer_1
The only thing more surprising to me than the number of people who have never heard of drinking a small amount of vinegar to "cure" acid re-flux is the number of them that don't believe me when I tell them about it.
I have never seen anything that will settle an upset stomach as well,and it works pretty much instantly.
I threw away my rolaids once I discovered this,and haven't bought any in decades.
Hell,all they had to do was TRY it,and AFAIK,not a single one did. Or if they did,they never told me.
@sneakypete
Yep. Used to be 2 prilosec a day till I went back to my hillbilly ways. Fifty bucks a month or more to include mylanta and etc... Because even the prilosec quit working after a while....
If vinegar don't fix it, a little charcoal will. And both are cheap to free. I don't have as much trouble these days because my diet runs heavy to vinegar and ferments. I eat a LOT of vinegar preserves.... beets dilly beans, pickles... All an everyday thing here... I think modern diet tends to be too base, or folks are getting bad acids... dunno... But since my diet straightened out, I just don't have the problem.
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This is pretty much what I do:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvUjw9AE7mk#)
CINNAMON: I keep cinnamon tea concentrate, thick, blood red, in the fridge at all times. That and thyme tea are pretty instrumental around here for cleaning out the lungs and nasal passages.
Amazing. Thank you! This is pretty much, the kind of things I do. Homemade yogurt from dried milk, homemade root beer. A lot of make your own condiments. I figured, years ago, If I run out of some item, I can make it with my ingredients, at home. I have all kind of GLUTEN FREE recipes, but I don't have the problem. it is just good to know, how to make bread, sweets from legume flours & potato starch. Does not hurt to know things. Then how to make your own flour out of garbanzo beans.
I loved this video. They let the children 'help" which is SO GOOD for their self esteem & confidence. They are also remembering the recipe. Kids love to be involved & 'help'. GOOD PARENTING. Kids can be useful. lol Making garlic naked. Those little fingers, fishing out garlic & removing the chaff. Boring for adults, but they love helping. Lovely family. I will probably make this, this fall, but on a smaller scale. I RUN HOT, and live in the desert. I have done cider vinegar, cayenne pepper & maple syrup before.
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Amazing. Thank you! This is pretty much, the kind of things I do. Homemade yogurt from dried milk, homemade root beer. A lot of make your own condiments. I figured, years ago, If I run out of some item, I can make it with my ingredients, at home. I have all kind of GLUTEN FREE recipes, but I don't have the problem. it is just good to know, how to make bread, sweets from legume flours & potato starch. Does not hurt to know things. Then how to make your own flour out of garbanzo beans.
I loved this video. They let the children 'help" which is SO GOOD for their self esteem & confidence. They are also remembering the recipe. Kids love to be involved & 'help'. GOOD PARENTING. Kids can be useful. lol Making garlic naked. Those little fingers, fishing out garlic & removing the chaff. Boring for adults, but they love helping. Lovely family. I will probably make this, this fall, but on a smaller scale. I RUN HOT, and live in the desert. I have done cider vinegar, cayenne pepper & maple syrup before.
I'll back up what Esther said - If I could only keep ONE remedy, fire cider would be it. I swear by it... I am fixin to make some, right after harvest... it has to cook for 4 to 6 weeks, so I will have it again around the end of october, and will take a shot a day all winter long. Make more than you think you need - that gallon, once it is done and strained only makes a couple quarts and some... So there ain't as much as you think. And it goes away pretty fast too.
Yes I am a fan of the Fouch family... Though they are more the hippie style of homesteader - We have them kind mixed in up here too... Good folks. Watched em all the time for a while there. They dropped off Youtube a year or more ago, and are not producing anymore. Don't know why. :shrug:
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I'll back up what Esther said - If I could only keep ONE remedy, fire cider would be it. I swear by it... I am fixin to make some, right after harvest... it has to cook for 4 to 6 weeks, so I will have it again around the end of october, and will take a shot a day all winter long. Make more than you think you need - that gallon, once it is done and strained only makes a couple quarts and some... So there ain't as much as you think. And it goes away pretty fast too.
Yes I am a fan of the Fouch family... Though they are more the hippie style of homesteader - We have them kind mixed in up here too... Good folks. Watched em all the time for a while there. They dropped off Youtube a year or more ago, and are not producing anymore. Don't know why. :shrug:
Compost the left overs? I would say, YOUTUBE, removed them. This means people would keep WELL...not wanted by the NWO...ELITES. Probably help fight covid too.
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Compost the left overs?
Sure, or to the chickens or pigs...
I would say, YOUTUBE, removed them. This means people would keep WELL...not wanted by the NWO...ELITES. Probably help fight covid too.
I don't know why... You might be right - Lord knows my homesteader stuff has been decimated - Not quite as bad as religious content that has any real bite but still - I would bet way better than 25% of the homesteader type stuff I have subbed to got the axe - Usually for gun stuff or butchering, but the Fouchs did none of that... Just disappeared one day. and nothing on other media to say what happened :shrug:
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It may. There's a very wide range of possibilities there since there's no written record of how it was acquired... Learning from trial and error over long periods I would say is science based with the available resources at the time. Testing, experimenting and getting a repeatable result based on what was learned is science. But there's also the Voodoo end of the spectrum which is anything but...
There are two branches to the sort of medicine you are talking about. One is herbal, nutritional, and has been practiced for thousands of years. Many of the common weeds you ay encounter have a medicinal use, forgotten in the pill pushers world.
The other aspect of that is spiritual, and that gets really scary. Mrs Joe had the opportunity to learn to be a medicine woman from her great aunt, but was frankly frightened off by the spiritual aspect. It does not mesh well with Christianity, although the demons encountered in that end of it are much the same. THere is a very dark and dangerous side to it all. @roamer_1
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08-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.005 ↑ | 1.481 - |
| United States | 15.030 ↑ | 2.022 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +16.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,359,968.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 17.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 15.
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08-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.005 ↑ | 1.481 - |
| United States | 15.030 ↑ | 2.022 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +16.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,359,968.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 17.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 15.
In other countries hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter.
In the US there is still a lot of friction and in places it's off label use is banned.
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🇺🇸𝓚𝓮𝓮𝓹 𝓸𝓷 𝓣𝓻𝓾𝓶𝓹𝓲𝓷🚂 Trump~Armyâââ
@heather_giron
At Huntington Beach, 40 churches have been coming together since they were closed down. Friday over 2,000 people showed up and as the cops tried to stop it, the people started worshipping even louder. Such an amazing video @realDonaldTrump @POTUS #GodWins #HuntingtonBeach
Video: https://twitter.com/heather_giron/status/1290417365688164352
6:40 PM · Aug 3, 2020·Twitter for Android
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Dan Bongino Retweeted
Phil Kerpen
@kerpen
"I don't think I can emphasize it enough, as the director for the Centers for Disease Control, the leading public health agency in the world: it is in the public health interest that these K-12 students get the schools back open for face-to-face learning."
Video: https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1289344198618107904
7:36 PM · Jul 31, 2020·Twitter Web App
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We are under attack damnit! And one does not hunker down in that circumstance!
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Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tens-thousands-coronavirus-tests-have-double-counted-officials/)
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In other countries hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter.
In the US there is still a lot of friction and in places it's off label use is banned.
Yep.
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Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tens-thousands-coronavirus-tests-have-double-counted-officials/)
Once for each nostril.
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Fauci Attacks Church Choirs, Implies Worship Is Less Important Than Protests
July 31, 2020 By Madeline Osburn
Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in June said churches should consider suspending their choir if located in an area with a high infection rate. On Friday, Fauci refused to say whether large protests should also be suspended.
“My recommendation still holds that the choirs should refrain from singing. When you sing and you protect your voice, the aerosols of the virus come out,†he said, contradicting Centers for Disease Control recommendations on socially distanced worship. ...
During a House hearing of the committee investigating the Trump administration’s pandemic response, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) asked Fauci, “Do protests increase the spread of the virus?â€
“Crowding together, particularly when you’re not wearing a mask, contributes to the spread of the virus,†Fauci said. Jordan asked the question again. Fauci dodged, then claimed he didn’t think the protests question was relevant. “I’m not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way,†he said.
Article at The Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/31/fauci-attacks-church-choirs-implies-worship-is-less-important-than-protests/?fbclid=IwAR2CtO-LSlXOX7nR3kLCARkWZbkHJMjUvkwAJQyuFK_tJqXyVZNZAUAnFKI)
Singing expels no more little virus critters than speaking does, or so I've been told. At our church, choir practice and performance already have been suspended (none since early March). We do have Sunday morning in-person worship, though. Everyone tries to sing through their masks. Everyone, that is, except for a few fellow choir members and I who sit in the choir loft (at least six feet apart) and take off our masks to sing. Otherwise, hymn #399 would sound like, "Mmmph, mmmph mmmph mmmph..."
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Hydroxychloroquine—The Political Drug (https://www.theepochtimes.com/hydroxychloroquine-the-political-drug_3448894.html)
Great read! And 100% on target IMHO.
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Article at The Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/31/fauci-attacks-church-choirs-implies-worship-is-less-important-than-protests/?fbclid=IwAR2CtO-LSlXOX7nR3kLCARkWZbkHJMjUvkwAJQyuFK_tJqXyVZNZAUAnFKI)
Singing expels no more little virus critters than speaking does, or so I've been told. At our church, choir practice and performance already have been suspended (none since early March). We do have Sunday morning in-person worship, though. Everyone tries to sing through their masks. Everyone, that is, except for a few fellow choir members and I who sit in the choir loft (at least six feet apart) and take off our masks to sing. Otherwise, hymn #399 would sound like, "Mmmph, mmmph mmmph mmmph..."
It's not an appreciable difference, and both have far less expulsion than coughing or sneezing. The main risk of communal singing is more likely to be INHALING shared air.
I've sung with and without a mask. Most of the time it's doable, but I find that I perform much better without it—though I have the benefit of being a solo singer at the piano about 10 feet away from the congregation and right next to an open door.
Banning singing would be ludicrous in any other time, but given this is an era when they can take away people's birthdays, nothing can shock me anymore.
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08-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.153 ↑ | 1.474 ↓ |
| United States | 15.396 ↑ | 1.988 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & MO.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -32.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,355,703.
US Cases-to-Recoveries ratio falls below 2.
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Detroit Lions quarterback Matt Stafford tested positive.
The problem is, he almost certainly was not infected, since two tests before and three tests after showed a negative result.
But Stafford will most likely will be counted among the 4 million plus "cases."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/04/how-do-lions-know-matthew-stafford-had-a-false-positive/
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Dan Bongino
@dbongino
I’m really sorry if you’ve been misled into foolishly believing that the teacher’s unions give a damn about the kids. This crisis has entirely exposed them, and it’s not pretty. Millions of parents are waking up to their scheming.
6:12 PM · Aug 4, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1290772551032098819
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@Right_in_Virginia
They have never been about the kids. They exist purely to keep incompetent teachers from being fired.
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Horowitz: Moving the goal posts: Global elites hint that corona restrictions will continue forever (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-moving-goal-posts-global-elites-hint-corona-restrictions-will-continue-forever/)
As Frederick Douglass warned, “Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.â€
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08-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.373 ↑ | 1.463 ↓ |
| United States | 15.482 ↑ | 1.982 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -485.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,386,599.
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Trends across most of America are down, especially in Florida and Arizona.
Texas's new case count is flattening out, which is disappointing—but the worst outbreak seems to be in Brownsville, right next to the southern tip of the Mexican border.
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@Right_in_Virginia
They have never been about the kids. They exist purely to keep incompetent teachers from being fired.
Correct! UNIONS....
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DID LOCKDOWNS WORK? EVIDENCE SAYS NO (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/did-lockdowns-work-evidence-says-no.php)
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DID LOCKDOWNS WORK? EVIDENCE SAYS NO (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/did-lockdowns-work-evidence-says-no.php)
In fairness, we won't know until Election Day in November whether or not the lockdowns worked.
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In fairness, we won't know until Election Day in November whether or not the lockdowns worked.
I see what you did.... nice parabolic slant!!
When this country wakes up to a November 5th to a suddenly wide open country ready for business. The Rubes won't know what the hell happened.
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08-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.530 ↑ | 1.458 ↓ |
| United States | 15.719 ↑ | 1.958 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -238.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,399,137.
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In fairness, we won't know until Election Day in November whether or not the lockdowns worked.
HA! nice.
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Dan Bongino Retweeted
Allie Beth Stuckey
@conservmillen
Please, parents, find a way to take your kids out of public schools. You do not want these people teaching your children.
New York Post
@nypost
Teachers bring coffins, guillotine while protesting NYC schools reopening plan https://trib.al/mC7zlXx
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeoA6TnX0AEAyP2?format=jpg&name=small)
11:01 PM · Aug 4, 2020·SocialFlow
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1290845247354933249
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I see what you did.... nice parabolic slant!!
When this country wakes up to a November 5th to a suddenly wide open country ready for business. The Rubes won't know what the hell happened.
There’s going to be a lot of “I told you so’s†being said that day too.
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08-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.649 ↑ | 1.458 - |
| United States | 15.827 ↑ | 1.953 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -242.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,430,846.
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11:01 PM · Aug 4, 2020·SocialFlow
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1290845247354933249
Funny that the same teachers are generally OK with teaching LGBTQ stuff that could get their students AIDS....
Fire them, if they don't want to do their job.
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I see what you did.... nice parabolic slant!!
When this country wakes up to a November 5th to a suddenly wide open country ready for business. The Rubes won't know what the hell happened.
Even rubes will start to see the light if that happens.
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Quote from Fauci. Since it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine is going to be as effective as, for example, measles... that means that "we must never abandon the public health approach."
So a few weeks has now officially become forever.
Fire him.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12350872/coronavirus-vaccine-fauci-half-effectiveness-public-health/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12350872/coronavirus-vaccine-fauci-half-effectiveness-public-health/)
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Quote from Fauci. Since it's unlikely a coronavirus vaccine is going to be as effective as, for example, measles... that means that "we must never abandon the public health approach."
So a few weeks has now officially become forever.
Fire him.
That's right... Interpreted: We've found a handle and can make you dance.
It will be hard, hard to get the puppet master to let that handle go.
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08-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.750 ↑ | 1.458 - |
| United States | 15.948 ↑ | 1.947 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -172.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,467,266.
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May I make a big announcement? WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME VIRUS, DISEASE, AS WE AWAYS HAVE.
Wearing a mask does not stop that....NOR eventual death. Having a lockdown, will not STOP EITHER. Some ignorant people seem to think so. Just like they think THEY, can control our weather & climate. Teachers are normally control freaks. Yes, anyone on here a teacher? You have to be, to keep kids in line! You lose control the class is in chaos. Unfortunately it seeps into other ways of living.
Those teachers still want their PAY, for NOT teaching, while claiming it is about kids lives. IT ISN'T! I would not want any of that macabre group teaching my kids! COMMON CORE IDIOTS. Teaching sex to kids in kindergarten and masturbation. I can back that up.
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Funny that the same teachers are generally OK with teaching LGBTQ stuff that could get their students AIDS....
Fire them, if they don't want to do their job.
Correct. COMMON CORE is about teaching kids about gay life style from KINDERGARTEN to High school. That communist...way.
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08-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 17.882 ↑ | 1.456 ↓ |
| United States | 15.984 ↑ | 1.952 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -175.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,512,169.
Undercounted recoveries tops 1.5 million. If everyone surviving after 14 or more days were counted as 'recovered', the US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio would exceed 25, which is considerably higher than even the bogus numbers China puts up.
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Cases:Recov went up!!! We're all gonna die, and it's Trump's Fault! ***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire ***hair on fire
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08-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 18.016 ↑ | 1.453 ↓ |
| United States | 16.089 ↑ | 1.952 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & LA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +86.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,541,515.
Today's increase over 7 days breaks six consecutive days of decline.
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Here's a death that is not, surprisingly, being attributed to Covid-19 (that we know of, anyway):
New Mexico man in his 20s dies of plague
By Madeline Farber, Fox News
August 11, 2020 | 9:52am
A New Mexico man has died of septicemic plague, officials with the New Mexico Department of Health announced on Friday.
The man, who was not publicly identified, was in his 20s and lived in Rio Arriba County. His death marks the first such fatality in the state since 2015 and the second human plague case overall this year, officials said in a press release. ...
Full story (https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/new-mexico-man-in-his-20s-dies-of-plague/)
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08-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 18.294 ↑ | 1.436 ↓ |
| United States | 16.342 ↑ | 1.934 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & AL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +6.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,551,284.
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Not going to take the time to go back and read all this. All I want to find out is if any members have had COVID. How about any of their family/friends?
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Not going to take the time to go back and read all this. All I want to find out is if any members have had COVID. How about any of their family/friends?
I have an old HS friend with lots of health issues who aledgedly died of it @AllThatJazzZ other than that, not one person that I know has it or has had it.
BTW: We have five dogs here. One that we selected as a puppy and purchased from the breeder and four that are rescues. We love them all!
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Not going to take the time to go back and read all this. All I want to find out is if any members have had COVID. How about any of their family/friends?
Niece, nephew, and two guys I went to high school with (one of them hospitalized for 6 weeks with no underlying secondary health problems).
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Not going to take the time to go back and read all this. All I want to find out is if any members have had COVID. How about any of their family/friends?
Several work colleagues, and my 84-year-old diabetic mother (who's had part of one lung removed 25 years ago). One of the work colleagues got pretty sick, but not enough to be hospitalized. I had relatively close contact with one of the work colleagues for almost 3 weeks, but never got tested until several weeks later.
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Not going to take the time to go back and read all this. All I want to find out is if any members have had COVID. How about any of their family/friends?
Nope. Closest so far is two folks my elder sister knows (from her neighborhood) over in Chicago... And a former best friend's (RIP) wife knows a couple over near Portland... I had a tangential relationship with one of the folks that died here (I knew him in passing).
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Not going to take the time to go back and read all this. All I want to find out is if any members have had COVID. How about any of their family/friends?
I believe, I had it twice. First week in February. I didn't have a thermometer, but felt like a fever, LATE in the afternoon. even broke, before bed time. This went on about 5 days. NO COUGH, no sneeze, no nose drip, no stomach issue. NOTHING. Just some low temp. 99 degrees, late in the afternoon. I kept up my normal routine, in the house.
Then last week in March, the day after going grocery shopping, no mask, I came down with some LOW FEVER, again. Same deal. LOW TEMP..late in the afternoon. This time, I felt it go into my lungs. I used silver, zinc, antiviral products. It went away, but low temp, continued for 7 days. Again. I continued my normal house routine.
I believe my son had it too. He had a high fever. Lives in WASHINGTON STATE. My 'baby', is 51 years old. He is fine. (He used to get colds very easily, take's after his dad. ) My friend in Indiana, was very sick, high fever, she took a test. CAME BACK NEGATIVE. I believe she had covid. We both are 75 years old. I don't get flu shots. So, have not had, any flu for over 15 + years. Everyones immune system is different. I try to keep mine strong.
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No one I know. Haven't had covid. But I have had it with covid. Yeah, there is a virus out there killing people. The Communist overthrow part flat pisses me off.
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A couple friends of friends had it early on in the pandemic, one of whose story I shared after his recovery.
Personally, I don't know of anyone who has had it, and not even a tangential "friend of friend" in several months.
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08-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 18.513 ↑ | 1.427 ↓ |
| United States | 16.426 ↑ | 1.926 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +191.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,575,250.
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08-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 18.870 ↑ | 1.421 ↓ |
| United States | 16.630 ↑ | 1.906 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +75.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,586,303.
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@AllThatJazzZ
To your question - my twin sons each had COVID-19. Mostly similar symptoms but they have recovered. One son's girlfriend, who is a nurse, was the likely carrier. She has also recovered. Thankfully.
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@AllThatJazzZ
To your question - my twin sons each had COVID-19. Mostly similar symptoms but they have recovered. One son's girlfriend, who is a nurse, was the likely carrier. She has also recovered. Thankfully.
Good News, @Lando Lincoln !
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Good News, @Lando Lincoln !
@Smokin Joe
Many here and elsewhere kept my family in their prayers. The Almighty answered. I am grateful.
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@Smokin Joe
Many here and elsewhere kept my family in their prayers. The Almighty answered. I am grateful.
God Provides, and prayer is powerful.
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08-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 18.906 ↑ | 1.415 ↓ |
| United States | 16.684 ↑ | 1.905 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NC, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +81.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,621,366.
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08-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 19.069 ↑ | 1.411 ↓ |
| United States | 16.761 ↑ | 1.905 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -170.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,659,207.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 19.
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08-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 19.193 ↑ | 1.410 ↓ |
| United States | 16.827 ↑ | 1.904 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +95.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,687,323.
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08-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 19.414 ↑ | 1.400 ↓ |
| United States | 16.882 ↑ | 1.906 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, TN, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -32.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,717,177.
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08-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 19.590 ↑ | 1.393 ↓ |
| United States | 17.118 ↑ | 1.887 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, MO, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +20.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,716,613.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 17.
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08-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 19.791 ↑ | 1.386 ↓ |
| United States | 17.199 ↑ | 1.878 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -195.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,732,248.
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08-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 19.948 ↑ | 1.381 ↓ |
| United States | 17.366 ↑ | 1.862 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -123.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,734,900.
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AssocAmerPhys&Surg @AAPSonline
Today AAPS filed an emergency motion asking Sixth Circuit to order FDA "to expeditiously release the HCQ Stockpile to pharmacies in the United States which promise to fill prescriptions for them without delay or restriction in protecting against COVID-19." https://aapsonline.org/judicial/aaps-v-fda-hcq-8-20-2020.pdf
6:07 PM · Aug 20, 2020·
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08-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 20.091 ↑ | 1.380 ↓ |
| United States | 17.385 ↑ | 1.856 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +435 *.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,758,639.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 20.
* More book-cooking. US deaths from two days ago has been adjusted upward by 622 without any accounting of where those deaths came from. New deaths from the previous day still show to be 1,097, but if you subtract yesterday's total with the originally reported previous day, that number increases to 1,719. The two numbers simply do not reconcile.
Without these 622 unaccounted for deaths, we exhibited a decrease of 187 over the preceding week instead of a 435 increase. In other words, deaths are decreasing, but at the close of the Democrat Convention, someone needs a different narrative.
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And the Communist head of the WHO now wants all this to be permanent. Forever. Even if there is a vaccine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html)
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And the Communist head of the WHO now wants all this to be permanent. Forever. Even if there is a vaccine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html)
"And the Communist head of the WHO now wants all this to be permanent."
‘We cannot go back to the way things were’
Which is the symptom?
And which one is the disease?
Days of the Future Past...Passed.
Nah.
Blue Oyster Cult
Astronomy
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0t_wb0lUW0#)
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When @roamer_1 and @Smokin Joe mentioned when COVID first appeared, that it would have to work it's way through the population and that there was nothing we could do to stop it, I thought they were crazy. It pretty well turns out they were correct. If we did nothing and society continued as it was, we likely would have had a few more deaths, possibly a lot more...who really knows for sure. People wouldn't have lost jobs, etc. Hats off to these 2 for their very clear thinking on this....
The only reason to slow things down is if the hospitals are overloaded to the point of triage. Having hospitals run at near capacity should have been the goal to get this behind us as quickly as possible without unnecessary additional loss of life. And while that was being done the most vulnerable in our nursing homes should have been isolated as much as reasonably possible while it passed through. By slowing this down to a crawl it only increases the chances of outbreaks in those facilities.
Additionally all management of trying to control the rate of spread should have been done locally based on the local hospital's utilization in that area. Each area is different. One size fits all only guarantees maximum economic destruction over a wide area.
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Event 201 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412185.msg2273075.html#msg2273075)
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Event 201 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412185.msg2273075.html#msg2273075)
:thumbsup:
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http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/ (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/)
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08-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 20.190 ↑ | 1.379 ↓ |
| United States | 17.452 ↑ | 1.854 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +24.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,758,639.
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* More book-cooking. US deaths from two days ago has been adjusted upward by 622 without any accounting of where those deaths came from. New deaths from the previous day still show to be 1,097, but if you subtract yesterday's total with the originally reported previous day, that number increases to 1,719. The two numbers simply do not reconcile.
Without these 622 unaccounted for deaths, we exhibited a decrease of 187 over the preceding week instead of a 435 increase. In other words, deaths are decreasing, but at the close of the Democrat Convention, someone needs a different narrative.
I recall that Worldometers left a note that the discrepancy came from the way they were counting deaths in Texas, switching from adding up the county totals to the state totals (which where higher and counted "probable" deaths that never tested positive).
I know Worldometers has the same problem as far as my home county (which doesn't originate with that site; JHU and the state site have the same problem)—our county does quality control and they've found 30 or so cases (and one or two deaths) that were from people who no longer live here. Now, normally, Worldometers would move the disputed cases to an "uncategorized" section but they have not in our case.
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Editorials
Airborne transmission of covid-19
BMJ 2020; 370 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3206 (https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3206) (Published 20 August 2020) Cite this as: BMJ 2020;370:m3206
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3206 (https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3206)
Remember, folks, this bug got out of a BSL-4 lab (highest Biosafety rating, for pathogens like Ebola), by either accident or design.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVsdtqqTaiM#)
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That is how I wore my mask, and not ONE person said anything. As long as I have a mask, like DUMBO had his feather. lol
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08-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 20.336 ↑ | 1.377 ↓ |
| United States | 17.472 ↑ | 1.856 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -97.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,821,469.
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Seems like the rise in new cases is moving into the middle states now. Illinois, Missouri, Kentucky.
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08-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 20.462 ↑ | 1.373 ↓ |
| United States | 17.536 ↑ | 1.855 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, IL, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -91.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,853,979.
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08-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 20.689 ↑ | 1.364 ↓ |
| United States | 17.768 ↑ | 1.838 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, GA, FL, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -79.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,852,343.
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08-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 20.874 ↑ | 1.358 ↓ |
| United States | 17.845 ↑ | 1.830 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -108.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,869,311.
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08-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.033 ↑ | 1.355 ↓ |
| United States | 18.044 ↑ | 1.811 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +26.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,862,788.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 21.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio rises above 18.
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08-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.150 ↑ | 1.354 ↓ |
| United States | 18.117 ↑ | 1.806 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -576.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,882,930.
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08-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.279 ↑ | 1.353 ↓ |
| United States | 18.159 ↑ | 1.806 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, IA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -39.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,914,527.
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08-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.409 ↑ | 1.351 ↓ |
| United States | 18.243 ↑ | 1.801 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -20.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,934,135.
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08-31-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.561 ↑ | 1.347 ↓ |
| United States | 18.297 ↑ | 1.802 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, IL, & LA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -61.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,958,468.
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09-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.745 ↑ | 1.343 ↓ |
| United States | 18.410 ↑ | 1.797 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, MO, FL, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +2.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,967,976.
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09-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 21.910 ↑ | 1.338 ↓ |
| United States | 18.512 ↑ | 1.789 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -86.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,970,161.
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09-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.036 ↑ | 1.339 ↑ |
| United States | 18.672 ↑ | 1.774 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -225.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,963,935.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 22.
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09-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.159 ↑ | 1.338 ↓ |
| United States | 18.821 ↑ | 1.762 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, GA, & TN.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -49.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,959,225.
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09-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.270 ↑ | 1.338 - |
| United States | 19.138 ↑ | 1.737 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, FL, & NC.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -52.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,928,047.
A hefty number of reported US recoveries came in from the previous day.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 19.
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09-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.412 ↑ | 1.336 ↓ |
| United States | 19.225 ↑ | 1.734 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, IL, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -247.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,941,610.
We are closing out on a second week of downward trend for US deaths.
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Nearly 92,000 new cases in India. But their deaths per million is low.
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Nearly 92,000 new cases in India. But their deaths per million is low.
In India, hydroxychloroquine is sold over the counter.
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Sturgis caused a minor bump in cases, but only about 200 nationwide.
https://trendingpolitics.com/nope-turns-out-the-sturgis-biker-rally-was-no-covid-super-spreader-after-all/
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Sturgis caused a minor bump in cases, but only about 200 nationwide.
https://trendingpolitics.com/nope-turns-out-the-sturgis-biker-rally-was-no-covid-super-spreader-after-all/
@Smokin Joe
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@Smokin Joe
It turns out that large quantities of alcohol and cigarettes protects you from the virus. :laugh:
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It turns out that large quantities of alcohol and cigarettes protects you from the virus. :laugh:
So it would seem.
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It turns out that large quantities of alcohol and cigarettes protects you from the virus. :laugh:
I'm not about to start smoking. :pondering: :beer:
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@Smokin Joe
Half a million bikers out in the open air...200 cases? Meh. They might have caught it on the way home.
Seems like sunlight, fresh air, doing stuff might be more healthy than hiding inside cooped up and breathing through a mask, ya think?
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Half a million bikers out in the open air...200 cases? Meh. They might have caught it on the way home.
Seems like sunlight, fresh air, doing stuff might be more healthy than hiding inside cooped up and breathing through a mask, ya think?
Kinda make you wonder about those 5000 cases per day from the beach trips...
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Half a million bikers out in the open air...200 cases? Meh. They might have caught it on the way home.
Seems like sunlight, fresh air, doing stuff might be more healthy than hiding inside cooped up and breathing through a mask, ya think?
Dunno. Might be the beer, brats, and gypsy leather... Works better than masks I guess :whistle:
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09-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.379 ↓ | 1.334 ↓ |
| United States | 19.281 ↑ | 1.734 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, TN, & MO.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +61.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,954,928.
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09-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.540 ↑ | 1.328 ↓ |
| United States | 19.421 ↑ | 1.726 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, IL, KS, & MI.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -226.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,963,467.
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Kansas???
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Meanwhile, my small county recorded 1 new case Sunday, 0 yesterday, and removed 6 duplicate cases. And the local Dems are demanding mask requirements remain the rest of the year.
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Meanwhile, my small county recorded 1 new case Sunday, 0 yesterday, and removed 6 duplicate cases. And the local Dems are demanding mask requirements remain the rest of the year.
Cuomo wants a “social distancing task force.†Come on Andrew, you’re milking it.
Andrew Cuomo Says 4000-Person NYPD Social-Distancing Taskforce Needed Before He'll Allow Indoor Dining in NYC
6 days ago · Andrew Cuomo Says 4,000-Person NYPD Social-Distancing Taskforce Needed Before He'll Allow Indoor Dining in NYC. New York City restaurants have been excluded from the reopening of ...
https://reason.com/2020/09/03/andrew-cuomo-says-4000-person-nypd-social-distancing-taskforce-needed-before-hell-allow-indoor-dining-in-nyc/
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6 days ago · Andrew Cuomo Says 4,000-Person NYPD Social-Distancing Taskforce Needed Before He'll Allow Indoor Dining in NYC.
Do Taskforce police members get special gestapo uniforms?
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Do Taskforce police members get special gestapo uniforms?
Complete with masks and a really cool sleeve band.
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James Todaro, MD @JamesTodaroMD·
Sep 8
Life is basically back to normal in Stockholm, Sweden:
- No masks
- Kids hanging out together
- No circles on the ground marking 6 ft apart
- No “social distancing†seat fillers on public transport
...Looks a lot like immune driven recovery to me.
1:10 PM · Sep 8, 2020
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Complete with masks and a really cool sleeve band.
Komittee Advocating Responsible Environmental Notions? (K.A.R.E.N.)
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James Todaro, MD @JamesTodaroMD·
Sep 8
Life is basically back to normal in Stockholm, Sweden:
- No masks
- Kids hanging out together
- No circles on the ground marking 6 ft apart
- No “social distancing†seat fillers on public transport
...Looks a lot like immune driven recovery to me.
1:10 PM · Sep 8, 2020
Oh, but according to the megaquacks, those antibodies aren't as good as vaccine antibodies and don't last as long, they don't have the Good Housekeeping seal, and what's more, they aren't even 'lemon scented'.
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Oh, but according to the megaquacks, those antibodies aren't as good as vaccine antibodies and don't last as long, they don't have the Good Housekeeping seal, and what's more, they aren't even 'lemon scented'.
That reminds me...
(https://i.imgur.com/4wkmXq9.jpg)
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That reminds me...
I hate lemon flavored suppositories. They taste awful.
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Oh, but according to the megaquacks, those antibodies aren't as good as vaccine antibodies and don't last as long, they don't have the Good Housekeeping seal, and what's more, they aren't even 'lemon scented'.
Do they have electrolytes?
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09-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.700 ↑ | 1.325 ↓ |
| United States | 19.568 ↑ | 1.716 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -668.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,964,938.
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09-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.851 ↑ | 1.323 ↓ |
| United States | 19.699 ↑ | 1.703 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & LA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +145.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,959,014.
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Do they have electrolytes?
:pondering: Good question, I'd reckon one or two, but not the full suite!
(Be the first kid on your block to have the full set!)
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:pondering: Good question, I'd reckon one or two, but not the full suite!
(Be the first kid on your block to have the full set!)
And here I thought it was electrolytes that started wildfires in Cali?
Don't tell @roamer_1 I said that.
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And here I thought it was electrolytes that started wildfires in Cali?
Don't tell @roamer_1 I said that.
Shhh! :whistle:
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkHhbx42cGU#)
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkHhbx42cGU#)
Truth.....
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Truth.....
Yes, but that's what the Dems want. They've been pushing for a popular uprising against their Communist crap in the streets, and tightening the screws from the political side every inch of the way.
No Police? How would that one work out?
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Yes, but that's what the Dems want. They've been pushing for a popular uprising against their Communist crap in the streets, and tightening the screws from the political side every inch of the way.
@Smokin Joe
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/thumbs-up01b.png (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/thumbs-up01b.png)
No Police? How would that one work out?
Well,there will always be police,but they will be guarding the homes and other property of the masters that pay their paychecks and pensions,not the homes of thee and me.
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Oh, but according to the megaquacks, those antibodies aren't as good as vaccine antibodies and don't last as long, they don't have the Good Housekeeping seal, and what's more, they aren't even 'lemon scented'.
Astounding. And here I thought human biology was the author of good health and all of life an expression of the natural immunity that exists in nature—not to get all David Attenborough on y’all.
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Astounding. And here I thought human biology was the author of good health and all of life an expression of the natural immunity that exists in nature—not to get all David Attenborough on y’all.
Well, I guess everything I learned is wrong, too, according to the people trying to push for mandatory vaccination. I'm not sold on it. Besides, if others get the vaccine and are immune, what threat could little unvaccinated me be to them? They're immune, right?
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Newt Gingrich
@newtgingrich
Shootings in new york city are up 166% over last year so Governor Cuomo wants 4,000 police assigned to checking restaurants for covid enforcement. Is he just deranged or so arrogant no one can talk sense to him?
1:14 PM · Sep 7, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1303018759154814976
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09-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 22.970 ↑ | 1.323 - |
| United States | 19.763 ↑ | 1.698 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, IL, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -6.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,970,347.
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09-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 23.115 ↑ | 1.323 - |
| United States | 19.846 ↑ | 1.694 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, IL, & GA.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: +41.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,980,852.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 23.
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The "new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago" number appears to be so low it's just noise now.
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Pay attention to Europe. France and the UK are seeing a substantial uptick in cases.
Meanwhile, cases here in America continue to trend steadily downward. So, smarmy European elitists, tell me whose plan is working better now?
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The "new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago" number appears to be so low it's just noise now.
Cases have dropped significantly in my county -- 81 new cases today.
So ... trying to figure out why they've decided to once again prohibit visitors at the hospitals and you can't bring someone with you to a doctors appointment unless they are your designated driver. Makes. No. Sense.
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Pay attention to Europe. France and the UK are seeing a substantial uptick in cases.
Meanwhile, cases here in America continue to trend steadily downward. So, smarmy European elitists, tell me whose plan is working better now?
Well, if we don't have a drop now, it will be more difficult to produce a panic-inducing spike in November and late October to push (once more, harder) for mail in voting.
Wait for it....
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Well, if we don't have a drop now, it will be more difficult to produce a panic-inducing spike in November and late October to push (once more, harder) for mail in voting.
Wait for it....
Flu season is just around the corner -- so we'll have not one but two plaques of death circling right around election day.
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@Smokin Joe ,
Red October.
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@Smokin Joe ,
Red October.
The Reds (traditional reference to communists) are making the most of it...
Funny how they changed the colors on the map about the time the Democrat Party was swearing fealty to Marx and the Che t-shirt came back in vogue.
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The Reds (traditional reference to communists) are making the most of it...
Funny how they changed the colors on the map about the time the Democrat Party was swearing fealty to Marx and the Che t-shirt came back in vogue.
I intentionally posted the above without connotation.
Hmmm...
There is a vid item that is on my feed about the Red.
I do synchronicity. Not coincidence.
In my world our Guardian Angels have been told to stand down.
Seriously.
There is something with covid and the number. Forced vacs? No.
I won't hijack the thread or start another that violates forum rules concerning religion.
But personally, I am positive by Sangre De Christo.
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09-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 23.248 ↑ | 1.322 ↓ |
| United States | 19.938 ↑ | 1.690 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, GA, & IL.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: 0.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,990,596.
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09-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 23.403 ↑ | 1.320 ↓ |
| United States | 20.023 ↑ | 1.688 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, SC, & MO.
Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago: -38.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,999,767.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 20.
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Chris Berg @chrisbergpov
Apr 7
SHOCKING: MN Sen & Dr. @drscottjensen said that he received a 7 pg doc from @mnhealth to fill out death certificates with a diagnosis of #COVID-19 whether the person actually died from COVID-19 or not.
Why is #MN inflating COVID-19 death numbers?
8:21 PM · Apr 7, 2020
Interview with the doctor here: https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html (https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html)
Have this directive changed since April, I wonder?
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09-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 23.547 ↑ | 1.317 ↓ |
| United States | 20.240 ↑ | 1.676 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, TN, FL, & MO.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,984,970.
In order to dampen the noise, the day comparison of todays deaths with those of the same day last week, this stat will be replaced with one that compares the moving average of the past seven days with the same average on the previous 7-day period.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -47.
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09-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 23.693 ↑ | 1.314 ↓ |
| United States | 20.320 ↑ | 1.669 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, MO, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +148.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,989,288.
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09-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 23.816 ↑ | 1.314 - |
| United States | 20.458 ↑ | 1.658 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, GA, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +119.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,970,231.
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
HA! :silly: :beer:
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
@LadyLiberty
Good to know!
Thank you.
BTW,if I get those shots will I be able to squat down until my butt is almost on the ground,and then kick my legs out to dance?
Always wanted to be able to do that.
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@LadyLiberty
Good to know!
Thank you.
BTW,if I get those shots will I be able to squat down until my butt is almost on the ground,and then kick my legs out to dance?
Always wanted to be able to do that.
That question brings back memories of high school, 1974, after game mixer. Guy asked me to dance and he was doing those Russian jumps on the dance floor.
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
That made me literally laugh out loud. :beer:
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
взÑÑ‚ÑŒ ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð² руки. Шутки в Ñторону, не доверÑйте Путину.
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09-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.047 ↑ | 1.314 - |
| United States | 20.548 ↑ | 1.655 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, IL, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +88.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,977,992.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 24.
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
Absolutely hilarious.
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Yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held in Harris county. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia.
I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveÑ, and that I feelshκι χoÏoshÏŒ Ñ Ñ‡ÑƒÐ²Ñтвую ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð½ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñтранно и Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ, что вытащил оÑлиные уши.
You know as I started to read that I got pretty worried for you...
But ended up chuckling...
ПрекраÑно.
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09-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.144 ↑ | 1.311 ↓ |
| United States | 20.626 ↑ | 1.652 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, WI, & TN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +62.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,993,336.
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09-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.287 ↑ | 1.309 ↓ |
| United States | 20.722 ↑ | 1.650 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, IL, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +55.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,001,623.
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09-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.453 ↑ | 1.305 ↓ |
| United States | 20.822 ↑ | 1.648 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TN, TX, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +47.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,005,992.
The 14-day recovery deficit now exceeds 2 million. That is two million people who tested positive for the disease and have survived anywhere from 2 to 36 weeks(i.e. have recovered) but are still erroneously listed as active cases. This number represents a third of all recoveries. If these numbers were included, our recovery-to-death ratio would climb above 30.
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09-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.641 ↑ | 1.300 ↓ |
| United States | 21.024 ↑ | 1.643 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, MI, & MO.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +5.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,981,548.
More book-cooking. 56,600 new cases retroactively added to total from two days ago. South Carolina was credited with 1,900 of them. No accounting for the remaining 54,700. No state shows a sudden jump of 54,000 cases.
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09-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.890 ↑ | 1.297 ↓ |
| United States | 21.151 ↑ | 1.633 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, MI, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -126.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,962,640.
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09-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 24.922 ↑ | 1.295 ↓ |
| United States | 21.292 ↑ | 1.623 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, IL, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -123.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,943,972.
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09-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.034 ↑ | 1.295 - |
| United States | 21.382 ↑ | 1.619 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, WI, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -80.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,943,047.
Global Recovery-to-death ratio climbs above 25.
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In my County they finally told us they are "de-duplicating" the numbers, meaning they are making up for a huge over-reporting of cases in the past by gradually shaving the numbers now. This has the effect of exaggerating the spikes and minimizing the decline.
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HUGE! CDC and Fauci’s NIAID Add Non-Pneumonia Deaths to US COVID-19 Totals Unlike Other Countries! — If These Deaths are Removed US Has 86,000 COVID-19 Deaths
By Jim Hoft
Published September 26, 2020 at 12:34pm
For months doctors and investigative journalists have wondered why state coronavirus death counts include motorcycle accidents, homicides, birth defects, gunshot wounds and thousands of intentional injuries and poisonings to the US Coronavirus death totals.
It’s almost as if the medical elites are doing all they can to pad the coronavirus death counts.
In Singapore the medical experts follow the World Health Organization guidelines and DO NOT INCLUDE non-pneumonia coronavirus fatalities in their death counts.
If the US followed the same system as much of the world the total number of coronavirus deaths in the US would be 86,000 or something you’d see in a bad flu season.
In 2017-2018 the US had an intense flu season. 61,000 Americans died. ...
Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/huge-cdc-faucis-niaid-add-non-pneumonia-deaths-us-covid-19-totals-unlike-countries-deaths-removed-us-86000-covid-19-deaths/) citing Deccan Herald, (https://www.deccanherald.com/international/world-news-politics/why-is-singapores-covid-19-death-rate-the-worlds-lowest-888794.html) which reported the story.
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@mountaineer
What??? (If this story holds up....)
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What??? (If this story holds up....)
Seems to indicate Fauci doesn't even follow WHO guidelines. :shrug:
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@mountaineer
What??? (If this story holds up....)
@Cyber Liberty
It's not a story unless it is reported on the network TeeBee news,and they ain't going to report it.
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This is from Sept. 1:
... There were more than 161,300 death certificates that listed Covid-19 among the possible causes of death as of Aug. 22, according to NCHS. About 6% of the certificates that mention Covid-19 list it as the sole cause on the death certificate. The remaining 94% included other causes alongside Covid-19.
The CDC, however, considers the underlying cause of death as "the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person's death," and in 92% of all deaths that mention Covid-19, the virus was listed as the underlying cause of death, Bob Anderson, lead mortality statistician at NCHS, said in a statement.
"These data are consistent with CDC guidance that those with underlying medical conditions are at greater risk for severe illness and death from Covid-19," Anderson said. ...
link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-debunks-theories-of-low-cdc-coronavirus-death-toll-there-are-180-000-plus-deaths-in-u-s/ar-BB18B8of)
In other words, they'll call it a covid death if they want to. So there, :tongue2:
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This is from Sept. 1:link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-debunks-theories-of-low-cdc-coronavirus-death-toll-there-are-180-000-plus-deaths-in-u-s/ar-BB18B8of)
In other words, they'll call it a covid death if they want to. So there, :tongue2:
Yah...close one there! Did a flyby....
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On a personal note my own health has been failing.
My md told me they found 4 cases of corona at Bonneville HS. Two cases of Modelo. Some Budweiser and CoorsLight.
My blood pressure was a little high for a space. My little monitor goes to top end 260. It wouldn't register. Just have an error code.
I think sars 2 is a fatal disease. So does my doc.
But people are dying of of the same ole every day before they have a chance to die of covid.
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My md told me they found 4 cases of corona at Bonneville HS. Two cases of Modelo. Some Budweiser and CoorsLight.
:beer:
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09-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.140 ↑ | 1.297 ↑ |
| United States | 21.496 ↑ | 1.617 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, IL, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -68.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,947,088.
Five thousand additional cases suddenly appeared on total from two days ago.
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09-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.237 ↑ | 1.297 - |
| United States | 21.628 ↑ | 1.611 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, WI, FL, IL, & TX.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -49.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,943,316.
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In the little Texas town of 2,000 around which we do most of our drilling, the virus is spreading like wildfire. The High School just canceled all athletic events for the next few weeks. No one hardly wore a mask (tough cowboys you know). I don't think anyone has died yet, but it's certainly taking a toll.
Chattahoochee County, Georgia (south of Columbus) has the highest infection rate in the State. A whopping 15.2% of all county residents have tested positive for the virus. Yet the county has reported only one Covid death.
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CDC specialized test shows Oregon's youngest suspected coronavirus victim didn't have the disease
by Emma Colton, Social Media Manager
| September 24, 2020 04:04 PM
The youngest suspected coronavirus victim in Oregon tested negative for the disease, according to specialized testing from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“They did blood tests, and the white blood cell count was elevated, so they just said it looked COVID-like, basically,†the victim’s mother, Kimberly Irvin, said of her son's doctors. “From early on, I felt that the COVID diagnosis was incorrect.â€
Matthew Irvin died in July at the age of 26 and was listed as the state’s youngest victim of the virus.
After his death, his death certificate listed him as a COVID-19 victim, and state officials said they did not conduct an autopsy because their medical team was understaffed. ...
The family hired a private pathologist to conduct an autopsy and were advised to send lung tissue samples to the CDC for specialized testing.
The test results came back negative for the coronavirus, leaving the family questioning the state’s methods of tracking the virus. ...
Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-specialized-test-shows-oregons-youngest-suspected-coronavirus-victim-didnt-have-the-disease)
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09-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.363 ↑ | 1.296 ↓ |
| United States | 21.773 ↑ | 1.606 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, WI, TN, FL, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -38.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,941,161.
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09-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.492 ↑ | 1.293 ↓ |
| United States | 21.971 ↑ | 1.597 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, IL, & KS.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -28.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,932,256.
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09-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.662 ↑ | 1.291 ↓ |
| United States | 22.054 ↑ | 1.593 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, CA, WI, & MO.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +3.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,928,679.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ration surpasses 22.
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10-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.743 ↑ | 1.290 ↓ |
| United States | 22.196 ↑ | 1.585 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, IL, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -15.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,916,855.
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10-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.739 ↓ | 1.291 ↑ |
| United States | 22.273 ↑ | 1.583 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, FL, & NC.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -29.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,925,315.
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10-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 25.815 ↑ | 1.293 ↑ |
| United States | 22.371 ↑ | 1.580 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, WI, FL, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -27.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,934,522.
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Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics – the Deadly Danger of False Positives (https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/)
I never expected to be writing something like this. I am an ordinary person, recently semi-retired from a career in the pharmaceutical industry and biotech, where I spent over 30 years trying to solve problems of disease understanding and seek new treatments for allergic and inflammatory disorders of lung and skin. I’ve always been interested in problem solving, so when anything biological comes along, my attention is drawn to it. Come 2020, came SARS-CoV-2. I’ve written about the pandemic as objectively as I could. The scientific method never leaves a person who trained and worked as a professional scientist. Please do read that piece. My co-authors & I will submit it to the normal rigours of peer review, but that process is slow and many pieces of new science this year have come to attention through pre-print servers and other less conventional outlets.
While paying close attention to data, we all initially focused on the sad matter of deaths. I found it remarkable that, in discussing the COVID-19 related deaths, most people I spoke to had no idea of large numbers. Asked approximately how many people a year die in the UK in the ordinary course of events, each a personal tragedy, They usually didn’t know. I had to inform them it is around 620,000, sometimes less if we had a mild winter, sometimes quite a bit higher if we had a severe ’flu season. I mention this number because we know that around 42,000 people have died with or of COVID-19. While it’s a huge number of people, its ‘only’ 0.06% of the UK population. Its not a coincidence that this is almost the same proportion who have died with or of COVID-19 in each of the heavily infected European countries – for example, Sweden. The annual all-causes mortality of 620,000 amounts to 1,700 per day, lower in summer and higher in winter. That has always been the lot of humans in the temperate zones. So for context, 42,000 is about ~24 days worth of normal mortality. Please know I am not minimising it, just trying to get some perspective on it. Deaths of this magnitude are not uncommon, and can occur in the more severe flu seasons. Flu vaccines help a little, but on only three occasions in the last decade did vaccination reach 50% effectiveness. They’re good, but they’ve never been magic bullets for respiratory viruses. Instead, we have learned to live with such viruses, ranging from numerous common colds all the way to pneumonias which can kill. Medicines and human caring do their best.
So, to this article. Its about the testing we do with something called PCR, an amplification technique, better known to biologists as a research tool used in our labs, when trying to unpick mechanisms of disease. I was frankly astonished to realise they’re sometimes used in population screening for diseases – astonished because it is a very exacting technique, prone to invisible errors and it’s quite a tall order to get reliable information out of it, especially because of the prodigious amounts of amplification involved in attempting to pick up a strand of viral genetic code. The test cannot distinguish between a living virus and a short strand of RNA from a virus which broke into pieces weeks or months ago...
Excerpt: Rest at above link.
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10-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.243 ↑ | 1.278 ↓ |
| United States | 22.487 ↑ | 1.578 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, MO, WI, FL, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -36.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,934,560.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ration surpasses 26.
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10-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.371 ↑ | 1.276 ↓ |
| United States | 22.595 ↑ | 1.575 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, WI, & TN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -25.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,941,119.
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Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics – the Deadly Danger of False Positives (https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/)
Excerpt: Rest at above link.
@Bigun
Thank you for posting that.
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Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence.
Updated: September 28, 2020; Published: July 30, 2020An overview of the current evidence regarding the effectiveness of face masks.
1. Studies on the effectiveness of face masks
So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.
A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. (Source (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article))
A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission. (Source (https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/))
A Covid-19 cross-country study by the University of East Anglia found that a mask requirement was of no benefit and could even increase the risk of infection. (Source (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20088260v1.full.pdf))
An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). (Source (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data))
An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. (Source (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372))
An April 2020 Cochrane review (preprint) found that face masks didn’t reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers. (Source (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372))
An April 2020 review by the Norwich School of Medicine (preprint) found that “the evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasksâ€, but supports the use of masks by “particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.†(Source (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1))
A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus†due to their large pore size and generally poor fit. (Source (http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664))
A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use. (Source (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577))
An August 2020 review by a German professor in virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks and the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to numerous additional infections. (Source (https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/html/10.1055/a-1174-6591))
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Much more at Swiss Policy Research (https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/)
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@Bigun
Thank you for posting that.
@sneakypete
You're welcome!
I've been trying to tell folks that for months!
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@sneakypete
You're welcome!
I've been trying to tell folks that for months!
I saw earlier articles explaining what the "90% false positive" means, this explained it better, in down-to-Earth language.
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I saw earlier articles explaining what the "90% false positive" means, this explained it better, in down-to-Earth language.
:yowsa: That it does! Better than I ever could in fact.
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New WHO estimate puts coronavirus death rate at only 0.13%
U.N. body's figure in March was 26 times higher
By Art Moore
Published October 5, 2020 at 7:10pm Lost in the reporting of the World Health Organization's new estimate that about 760 million people – more than 20 times the confirmed cases – have been infected by the coronavirus worldwide is the impact on the estimated survival rate.
If, indeed, 760 million have been infected at some point during the outbreak and the number of confirmed deaths is about 1 million, the infection fatality rate is only 0.13%.
That's a little more than one-tenth of 1%, which the WHO says is the rate for the seasonal flu.
The WHO's estimate in March of a death rate of 3.4% sparked panic worldwide, fueling the catastrophic lockdowns. ...
More at WND (https://www.wnd.com/2020/10/4859570/)
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10-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.410 ↑ | 1.277 ↑ |
| United States | 22.764 ↑ | 1.569 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, TN, NC, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -12.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,952,131.
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10-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.541 ↑ | 1.276 ↓ |
| United States | 22.869 ↑ | 1.565 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, MO, CA, FL, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -38.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,946,572.
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At Disney World, ‘Worst Fears’ About Virus Have Not Come True
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/business/disney-world-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/business/disney-world-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage)
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I just had a chat with a neighbor who owns a funeral home. He said not a single mortician - anywhere - has gotten Covid from handling the body of someone who allegedly died from it. He said once the deceased has been put in the cooler and body temp drops, the virus dies.
He also said he has a mortician friend in Pa. who buried a young man killed in a motorcycle accident and the death certificate said Covid-19. The family is raising cain, because the fellow had a double indemnity accidental death provision in his life insurance policy.
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10-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.626 ↑ | 1.278 ↑ |
| United States | 22.953 ↑ | 1.564 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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10-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.711 ↑ | 1.280 ↑ |
| United States | 23.037 ↑ | 1.563 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -27.
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10-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.794 ↑ | 1.281 ↓ |
| United States | 23.120 ↑ | 1.562 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -18.
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10-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.877 ↑ | 1.283 ↑ |
| United States | 23.202 ↑ | 1.561 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, IL, WI, & MO.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -2.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,978,239
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10-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 26.992 ↑ | 1.283 - |
| United States | 23.342 ↑ | 1.558 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, WI, & TN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -11.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,976,336.
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I just had a chat with a neighbor who owns a funeral home. He said not a single mortician - anywhere - has gotten Covid from handling the body of someone who allegedly died from it. He said once the deceased has been put in the cooler and body temp drops, the virus dies.
He also said he has a mortician friend in Pa. who buried a young man killed in a motorcycle accident and the death certificate said Covid-19. The family is raising cain, because the fellow had a double indemnity accidental death provision in his life insurance policy.
@mountaineer
I hadn't even thought about it,but it looks like Insurance Companies might be loving the HELL out of this virus scare.
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It hadn't occurred to me, either. Of course insurance companies want no one's death ruled accidental. Brilliant!
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45 people tested positive at a senior living facility not far from where I live. None showed any symptoms.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/jamestown/news/2020/10/13/owner-of-the-tanglewood-group-in-jamestown-speaks-out-after-large-cluster-of-covid-19-cases-
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With flu season just around the corner, you can bet that the positive COVID cases and deaths will rise.
I'm going to take the same precautions -- mask, hand sanitizer, and avoid crowds as much as possible -- other than wearing a mask, same precautions I take every flu season.
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10-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.107 ↑ | 1.282 ↓ |
| United States | 23.563 ↑ | 1.550 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, TN, IL, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -32.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,957,274.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 27.
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10-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.215 ↑ | 1.282 - |
| United States | 23.663 ↑ | 1.548 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, IL, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +2.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,958,846.
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Massive WHO Study Shows Remdesivir Doesn't Lower COVID-19 Mortality
Another speedbump has emerged in the drive to produce reliable COVID-19 therapeutics as a highly anticipated WHO drug trial called Solidarity found that Gilead's COVID-19 treatment, remdesivir, had no substantial effect on a COVID-19 patient's chances of survival. It also found that three other therapeutics were similarly ineffective.
The FT called the data a "significant blow" to efforts to find a drug that could help save late-stage COVID-19 patients. What's more, none of the drugs "substantially affected mortality" or reduce the need to ventilate patients.
Other drugs examined in the trial included hydroxychloroquine, lopnavir and interferon regimes. All of them had "little effect" on hospitalized patients.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream)
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"Mortality" isn't the goal. Sickness and permanent damage is.
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Massive WHO Study Shows Remdesivir Doesn't Lower COVID-19 Mortality
Another speedbump has emerged in the drive to produce reliable COVID-19 therapeutics as a highly anticipated WHO drug trial called Solidarity found that Gilead's COVID-19 treatment, remdesivir, had no substantial effect on a COVID-19 patient's chances of survival. It also found that three other therapeutics were similarly ineffective.
The FT called the data a "significant blow" to efforts to find a drug that could help save late-stage COVID-19 patients. What's more, none of the drugs "substantially affected mortality" or reduce the need to ventilate patients.
Other drugs examined in the trial included hydroxychloroquine, lopnavir and interferon regimes. All of them had "little effect" on hospitalized patients.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream)
To the degree people with moderate-severe symptoms were studied the wrong people were subjects. Whether remdesivir or HCQ or any other antiviral, the medication should be given early in the infection process, not after the virus has gotten hold. Testing an antiviral on a person with moderate-severe symptoms is like closing the chicken coop door after a skulk of foxes is inside chowing down.
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"Mortality" isn't the goal. Sickness and permanent damage is.
Agenda 21. Logan's run. Impllant yourself into a machine to escape the human condition as a machine. Until you get an update.
@PeteS in CA
I did a course for Hep C a couple years back. Sovaldi in combo Ribavirin. Sovaldi was Gilead. 80 pills at $1,000.00 per pill. Thats right. $80,000 for the course. Except I am poor with no insurance (which didn't matter since insurance wouldn't cover that script) so they gave me the Sovaldi. The other was generic. So it was only around $600.00 for the course.
They say it killed the virus. Hmmmm....they said I would always test + for the C.
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Agenda 21. Logan's run. Impllant yourself into a machine to escape the human condition as a machine. Until you get an update.
If you have Amazon Prime, you can check out "Upload."
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Massive WHO Study Shows Remdesivir Doesn't Lower COVID-19 Mortality
Another speedbump has emerged in the drive to produce reliable COVID-19 therapeutics as a highly anticipated WHO drug trial called Solidarity found that Gilead's COVID-19 treatment, remdesivir, had no substantial effect on a COVID-19 patient's chances of survival. It also found that three other therapeutics were similarly ineffective.
The FT called the data a "significant blow" to efforts to find a drug that could help save late-stage COVID-19 patients. What's more, none of the drugs "substantially affected mortality" or reduce the need to ventilate patients.
Other drugs examined in the trial included hydroxychloroquine, lopnavir and interferon regimes. All of them had "little effect" on hospitalized patients.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream)
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"On hospitalized patients"
That phrase is being used to damn a few early onset therapies aimed toward keeping viral replication down and the patient out of the hospital. By the time a patient is hospitalized, the damage has been done,the virus has replicated to the degree that the Type 1 pneumocytes have suffered significant damage. These are the cells that cover 95% of the alveoli, and perform gas exchange with the blood, and are also the cells targeted by the SARS CoV-2 virus.
The purpose of hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc is for the hydroxychloroquine to act as an ionophore to admit the zinc to the Type 1 pneumocytes where the zinc interferes with viral replication, the Azithromycin adds to inhibiting the virus, reducing the cytokine reaction, and warding off opportunistic bacterial infection. At first presentation of symptoms this would stop the virus from causing damage done while replicating, leaving incomplete viral strands for the body to develop antibodies to. The patient would not degrade enough to need hosptialization.
Remdesevir, while administered in a clinical setting has a similar goal.
Later in the disease's progress, significant Type 1 pneumocytes have been damaged, and the preventative opportunities for the regimens has been lost. Locking the barn door after the horses are gone is of little effect in preventing equine escapes, so in this application, this should be no surprise, but should not affect the use of these regimens in early onset patients, where they can do some good.
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"On hospitalized patients"
That phrase is being used to damn a few early onset therapies aimed toward keeping viral replication down and the patient out of the hospital. By the time a patient is hospitalized, the damage has been done,the virus has replicated to the degree that the Type 1 pneumocytes have suffered significant damage. These are the cells that cover 95% of the alveoli, and perform gas exchange with the blood, and are also the cells targeted by the SARS CoV-2 virus.
The purpose of hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc is for the hydroxychloroquine to act as an ionophore to admit the zinc to the Type 1 pneumocytes where the zinc interferes with viral replication, the Azithromycin adds to inhibiting the virus, reducing the cytokine reaction, and warding off opportunistic bacterial infection. At first presentation of symptoms this would stop the virus from causing damage done while replicating, leaving incomplete viral strands for the body to develop antibodies to. The patient would not degrade enough to need hosptialization.
Remdesevir, while administered in a clinical setting has a similar goal.
Later in the disease's progress, significant Type 1 pneumocytes have been damaged, and the preventative opportunities for the regimens has been lost. Locking the barn door after the horses are gone is of little effect in preventing equine escapes, so in this application, this should be no surprise, but should not affect the use of these regimens in early onset patients, where they can do some good.
Just a minor edit to make sure that those keywords can be readily seen!
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I kind of like my chicken coop word picture, but self-back-patting aside, trying that wrong timing "studies" tactic wasn't done with the several antibody-based treatments like Regeneron's. Those therapies' testing have included tests on hospitalized patients, but there are also tests that focus on patients early in the infection process. IOW, the test regimes have been carefully designed (and segregated!) to learn when best to use the antibody treatments.
BTW, one significant difference between convalescent plasma treatment and the several monoclonal antibody treatments (any drug whose technical name is "______mab" is monoclonal antibodies, e.g. the currently much advertised Keytruda, Pembrolizumab) is that the concentration of antibodies in convalescent plasma treatment varies with the donor pool, while the concentration of antibodies in a monoclonal antibody treatment is designed/controlled by the drug company.
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10-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.316 ↑ | 1.284 ↑ |
| United States | 23.795 ↑ | 1.544 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +24.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,946,686.
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10-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.392 ↑ | 1.287 ↑ |
| United States | 23.888 ↑ | 1.544 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, WI, MO, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +26.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,955,065.
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There is a new push around here to wear masks.
I went to my doctor with my covid concerns.
He gave me an antipsychotic medication.
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There is a new push around here to wear masks.
Still no push to ban HVAC, the biggest SARS-2 spreader by far. Go figure.
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There is a new push around here to wear masks.
I went to my doctor with my covid concerns.
He gave me an antipsychotic medication.
@bigheadfred
SCORE!
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There is a new push around here to wear masks.
I went to my doctor with my covid concerns.
He gave me an antipsychotic medication.
Top Notch! A "good appointment."
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Still no push to ban HVAC, the biggest SARS-2 spreader by far. Go figure.
Meanwhile, they're saying the circulations systems in airplanes don't present a risk.
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Meanwhile, they're saying the circulations systems in airplanes don't present a risk.
Circulation systems in airplanes are much lower risk due to the high rate of venting. The entire air content of the cabin is replaced with outside air every 2-3 minutes. Not so for internal closed-system A/C and heating units in homes, apartments, and commercial buildings.
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Circulation systems in airplanes are much lower risk due to the high rate of venting. The entire air content of the cabin is replaced with outside air every 2-3 minutes. Not so for internal closed-system A/C and heating units in homes, apartments, and commercial buildings.
True dat. I understand that even though at 30,000 feet the air is really cold outside, after they compress it to around 1 atmosphere it requires refrigeration to get it to room temperature.
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Meanwhile, they're saying the circulations systems in airplanes don't present a risk.
Hmmmmm...
On a flight from JFK to Rome. Twice my age. So she was about 42. Drinking gin and tonics. She was drinking bloody mary's.
We had a short layover in Rome...
When in Rome.
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Synchronicity. @roamer_1 @Hoodat @Cyber Liberty
Smalll cabinet install at a local high school today. No school on Friday.
There was no running in the hallways. Mostly because after haulin all of our stuff upstairs took the wind out of me. MIC opened a door further down the hallway and said this way is closer. I said how can something farther away be closer? Blank stare. Teacher for ya.
But I digress. When we left my boss made a comment on two big machine units that had on Evapco labels. We were speculating on what their function in conjuction?
Now it is part of this conversation, part of my day.
No coincidences.
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Just a minor edit to make sure that those keywords can be readily seen!
So if it's anything more than a common cold, you're screwed.
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So if it's anything more than a common cold, you're screwed.
The "common cold" is a Corona virus. And it's everybody who's screwed, because they think they can get away with quarantining the healthy, and that's not going to go well next time it's tried.
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Synchronicity. @roamer_1 @Hoodat @Cyber Liberty
Smalll cabinet install at a local high school today. No school on Friday.
There was no running in the hallways. Mostly because after haulin all of our stuff upstairs took the wind out of me. MIC opened a door further down the hallway and said this way is closer. I said how can something farther away be closer? Blank stare. Teacher for ya.
But I digress. When we left my boss made a comment on two big machine units that had on Evapco labels. We were speculating on what their function in conjuction?
Now it is part of this conversation, part of my day.
No coincidences.
Evapco makes air conditioners:
We offer an extensive selection of products for Commercial HVAC, Industrial Refrigeration, Power Generation and Industrial Process.
(https://www.evapco.com/themes/custom/evapco_foundation/logo.svg)
https://www.evapco.com/ (https://www.evapco.com/)
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The "common cold" is a Corona virus. And it's everybody who's screwed, because they think they can get away with quarantining the healthy, and that's not going to go well next time it's tried.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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There are existing UV products built for HVAC systems that are designed to kill molds. They would work for coronavirus too. But then that would mean that infection rates would plummet, which would deny Democrats of a crucial campaign issue. Maybe after the election, this could be addressed.
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There are existing UV products built for HVAC systems that are designed to kill molds. They would work for coronavirus too. But then that would mean that infection rates would plummet, which would deny Democrats of a crucial campaign issue. Maybe after the election, this could be addressed.
I brought this issue up many months ago on this forum and several others. Mostly heard nothing in response.
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Here is an interesting group: America's Frontline Doctors: https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/ (https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/)
They provide referrals to telemedicine docs who will write scripts for the HCQ regimen for early treatment.
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I brought this issue up many months ago on this forum and several others. Mostly heard nothing in response.
I knew about them, and the UV the barber uses for combs, etc. There are other systems designed to sanitize rooms, and kill nasties in water.
Even Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: "The Cure That Time Forgot"?
Michael R Hamblin (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/)
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10-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.459 ↑ | 1.290 ↑ |
| United States | 24.055 ↑ | 1.540 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +8.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,949,659.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 24.
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10-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
REGION
| Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.526 ↑ | 1.293 ↑ |
| United States | 24.220 ↑ | 1.536 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, IL, TN, & IN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -26.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,946,372.
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10-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.643 ↑ | 1.294 ↑ |
| United States | 24.286 ↑ | 1.537 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TN, TX, FL, & NC.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -7.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,954,498.
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10-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.734 ↑ | 1.297 ↑ |
| United States | 24.434 ↑ | 1.537 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, TN, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +29.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,950,586.
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10-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.827 ↑ | 1.297 - |
| United States | 24.522 ↑ | 1.536 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, WI, CA, IL, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +32.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,950,978.
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(https://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/205505/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif)
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(https://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/205505/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif)
Not This again.
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Not This again.
Panic is all the Rats have, and their willing accomplices in the press will amplify the panic on their behalf. It's what they do.
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@judicialwatch
BREAKING: Judicial Watch announced that it & @DailyCaller received from the Dept of Health & Human Services 300 pages of emails of Dr. #Fauci including his approval of a press release supportive of #China’s response to the 2019 novel coronavirus (1/3).
https://twitter.com/judicia.../status/1319701431411232775.. (https://twitter.com/judicia.../status/1319701431411232775..).
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10-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.910 ↑ | 1.301 ↑ |
| United States | 24.635 ↑ | 1.534 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, WI, CA, & OH.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +62.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,948,912.
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10-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 27.984 ↑ | 1.306 ↑ |
| United States | 24.763 ↑ | 1.532 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, FL, IL, CA, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +78.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,950,444.
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10-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.027 ↑ | 1.312 ↑ |
| United States | 24.852 ↑ | 1.535 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, IL, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +110.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,962,370. This number appears to have leveled off between 1.9 and 2.0 million. If these cases were counted as Recoveries, our Recovery-to-death ratio would exceed 33.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 28.
Increase in Case-to-Recovery ratio reveals an upward trend in new cases.
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@Hoodat I appreciate your putting these together daily....
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Lockdowns didn't work on COVID, but they appear to have largely eliminated the flu.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8875201/Has-Covid-killed-flu.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8875201/Has-Covid-killed-flu.html)
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The pandemic exposes human nature: 10 evolutionary insights
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/10/21/2009787117 (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/10/21/2009787117)
(Lots of hypotheticals here, but some serious concerns are raised.)
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10-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.097 ↑ | 1.316 ↑ |
| United States | 24.956 ↑ | 1.538 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, FL, CA, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +125.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,973,826.
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10-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.195 ↑ | 1.319 ↑ |
| United States | 25.042 ↑ | 1.540 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, WI, TN, TX, & MO.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +106.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,988,990.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 25.
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Should people who catch the virus be fined for improper mask use?
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Not to worry. The INSTANT Biden is sworn in as the new US President,Covid-19 will no longer be a threat. The number of people sick from it will decline every day to the point where the media will lose all interest in reporting numbers.
I don't know about you,but I am feeling better already.
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Should people who catch the virus be fined for improper mask use?
damned right they should
Gotta use a net. Not some flimsy mask.
They are dangerous wild animals. If one were to escape your bug collection it could start a world wide panic.
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10-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.278 ↑ | 1.323 ↑ |
| United States | 25.250 ↑ | 1.536 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, FL, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +87.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,973,850.
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List of States ranked by fatality rate:
| State | Cases / 1M pop | Deaths / 1M pop | Deaths / Case (%) |
| New Jersey | 26582 | 1851 | 6.96 % |
| Connecticut | 19251 | 1289 | 6.70 % |
| Massachusetts | 22203 | 1435 | 6.46 % |
| New York | 27508 | 1727 | 6.28 % |
| New Hampshire | 7745 | 349 | 4.51 % |
| Pennsylvania | 16047 | 687 | 4.28 % |
| Michigan | 18258 | 759 | 4.16 % |
| District Of Columbia | 24050 | 913 | 3.80 % |
| Rhode Island | 29683 | 1121 | 3.78 % |
| Louisiana | 38933 | 1263 | 3.24 % |
| Maryland | 23558 | 681 | 2.89 % |
| Delaware | 24902 | 704 | 2.83 % |
| Mississippi | 39520 | 1109 | 2.81 % |
| Vermont | 3386 | 93 | 2.75 % |
| Ohio | 17353 | 453 | 2.61 % |
| USA Total | 27359 | 702 | 2.57 % |
| Illinois | 30595 | 776 | 2.54 % |
| Indiana | 24741 | 623 | 2.52 % |
| Arizona | 33133 | 811 | 2.45 % |
| Maine | 4751 | 109 | 2.29 % |
| New Mexico | 20588 | 467 | 2.27 % |
| Colorado | 17145 | 388 | 2.26 % |
| South Carolina | 33519 | 746 | 2.23 % |
| Georgia | 33282 | 739 | 2.22 % |
| Washington | 14135 | 307 | 2.17 % |
| Florida | 36802 | 772 | 2.10 % |
| Virginia | 20708 | 424 | 2.05 % |
| Texas | 31988 | 627 | 1.96 % |
| California | 23201 | 442 | 1.91 % |
| West Virginia | 12869 | 243 | 1.89 % |
| Nevada | 31462 | 570 | 1.81 % |
| Minnesota | 24387 | 429 | 1.76 % |
| Arkansas | 35681 | 615 | 1.72 % |
| Missouri | 29519 | 484 | 1.64 % |
| North Carolina | 25375 | 405 | 1.60 % |
| Alabama | 38282 | 594 | 1.55 % |
| Oregon | 10150 | 157 | 1.55 % |
| Hawaii | 10434 | 152 | 1.46 % |
| Kentucky | 22302 | 320 | 1.43 % |
| Iowa | 37858 | 532 | 1.41 % |
| Tennessee | 36867 | 470 | 1.27 % |
| Kansas | 27601 | 338 | 1.22 % |
| North Dakota | 52367 | 640 | 1.22 % |
| Oklahoma | 29924 | 322 | 1.08 % |
| Montana | 27458 | 285 | 1.04 % |
| Idaho | 34091 | 327 | 0.96 % |
| Nebraska | 33343 | 312 | 0.94 % |
| South Dakota | 47476 | 434 | 0.91 % |
| Wisconsin | 35434 | 318 | 0.90 % |
| Wyoming[/b] | 20399 | 133 | 0.65 % |
| Utah | 33446 | 180 | 0.54 % |
| Alaska | 18785 | 96 | 0.51 % |
One caveat that skews the table is a sudden influx of new cases. Any fatalities over the next two weeks that result from these cases are not being factored above. Nonetheless, Wisconsin's reported fatality rate is below 1%. Keep this in mind when you hear DNC operatives working as network news anchors reciting Wisconsin's rising case load.
Also worth noting is that the States with the highest fatality rates are also the states that ordered Covid patients into nursing homes.
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Numbers may be misleading. For example, North Dakota breaks down the fatalities thus:
Deaths Due to COVID-19
Official number of individuals who died from COVID-19 as stated on the official death record. There will be a delay - by state law, a death record must be filed within 10 days of the date of death. 373
Deaths Where COVID-19 is Not the Primary Cause
Deaths that list something other than COVID-19 as the official cause of death. 81
Pending Death Records
The number of deaths where an official death record has not been filed. Per state law, this can take up to 10 days from the date of death. 34
Total number of individuals who tested positive and died from any cause while infected with COVID-19.
488
Deaths of Individuals Presumed Positive
Deaths of individuals where COVID-19 was listed as the cause of death on the official death record, but there was not a positive test result. These individuals are presumed positive by the health care provider based on symptoms and/or exposure.
5
Note, that with a population of less than one million people, the state's rate expressed in deaths per million exceeds the actual number of deaths directly attributable to COVID-19 by a factor of roughly 1.5.
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The fatality rate appears to be directly proportional to when the outbreak hit that state. States that were hit early have sky-high death rates. States that were hit later have very few.
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10-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.333 ↑ | 1.327 ↑ |
| United States | 25.350 ↑ | 1.537 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +95.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,974,648.
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10-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.386 ↑ | 1.332 ↑ |
| United States | 25.450 ↑ | 1.537 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, FL, CA, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +22.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,984,118.
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10-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.431 ↑ | 1.338 ↑ |
| United States | 25.551 ↑ | 1.540 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, WI, CA, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +19.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,999,069.
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Thanx for the reporting. @Hoodat
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No prob.
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No prob.
It is an accomplishment. :patriot:
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Mass vaccine manufacture is underway. Approval on track for mid-December, release to the general public by February.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/health-headlines/7f5560cac058944bcc9d762baa0c99a7
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Free vaccine tomorrow.
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Free vaccine tomorrow.
With chips.
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Mass vaccine manufacture is underway. Approval on track for mid-December, release to the general public by February.
https://wjtn.com/news-and-closings/health-headlines/7f5560cac058944bcc9d762baa0c99a7
I can already see the 2022 election narrative concocted by the sleazy dims, and their complicit MSM/Big Tech enablers.
"The Democratic Party has rescued and saved you from the Dreaded Trump Plague"
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I can already see the 2022 election narrative concocted by the sleazy dims, and their complicit MSM/Big Tech enablers.
"The Democratic Party has rescued and saved you from the Dreaded Trump Plague"
WHY does that remind me of the movie "The Princess Bride"?
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UPS Readies Freezer Farms to Ship Virus Vaccine — If We Get One
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-03/ups-readies-freezer-farms-to-ship-virus-vaccine-if-we-get-one (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-03/ups-readies-freezer-farms-to-ship-virus-vaccine-if-we-get-one)
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OMG:Trump "Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean, our doctors are very smart people."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1322311400761544704
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OMG:Trump "Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean, our doctors are very smart people."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1322311400761544704
(https://i.imgur.com/99vwbDT.jpg)
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UPS Readies Freezer Farms to Ship Virus Vaccine — If We Get One
Now if we can keep Nancy Pelosi and her crop of $50 ice creme tubs out of it.
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OMG:Trump "Our doctors get more money if someone dies from Covid. You know that, right? I mean, our doctors are very smart people."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1322311400761544704
Unforced error.... Yikes
Watch the teleprompter Mr. President.
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Now if we can keep Nancy Pelosi and her crop of $50 ice tubs out of it.
Is this one of those I wish climate change was real things?
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Under the CARES Act, hospitals do receive money for Covid patients. If a patient dies, and that patient had Covid, the hospital can be reimbursed for all medical costs.
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Oct 28📷Eric Carmen📷@RealEricCarmen·
Update from CDC
Of the 220,000 deaths reported as due to COVID, the actual cause was: 88,208 - pneumonia & influenza 17, 799 - chronic respiratory disease 26, 365 - respiratory distress synd. 44, 261 - hypertensive disease 23, 275 -heart disease 28, 000 -cardiac arrest
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10-31-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.463 ↑ | 1.345 ↑ |
| United States | 25.619 ↑ | 1.546 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, FL, WI, & CA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +13.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,020,155.
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11-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.504 ↑ | 1.349 ↑ |
| United States | 25.680 ↑ | 1.551 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, WI, MI, & IN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +31.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,044,348.
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11-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.587 ↑ | 1.352 ↑ |
| United States | 25.811 ↑ | 1.553 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, FL, TX, CA, & WI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +26.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,047,696.
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11-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.651 ↑ | 1.356 ↑ |
| United States | 26.040 ↑ | 1.550 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, FL, & KS.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +20.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,050,479.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 26.
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11-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.678 ↑ | 1.359 ↑ |
| United States | 26.138 ↑ | 1.554 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +55.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,050,184.
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11-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.706 ↑ | 1.361 ↑ |
| United States | 26.236 ↑ | 1.558 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, WI, CA, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +139.
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11-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.747 ↑ | 1.366 ↑ |
| United States | 26.314 ↑ | 1.565 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, FL, CA, & MI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +140.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,084,303.
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11-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.742 ↓ | 1.373 ↑ |
| United States | 26.385 ↑ | 1.574 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, WI, & MN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +171.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,113,515.
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UPMC (which helped discover the efficacy of cheap steroids as a COVID treatment) announce the discovery of a major breakthrough for antibody treatment, using llamas: "nanobodies." Smaller, more effective and can be inhaled.
https://www.post-journal.com/news/page-one/2020/11/llama-nanobodies-most-potent-weapon-to-fight-covid/ (https://www.post-journal.com/news/page-one/2020/11/llama-nanobodies-most-potent-weapon-to-fight-covid/)
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11-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.790 ↑ | 1.378 ↑ |
| United States | 26.491 ↑ | 1.581 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, WI, MI, TX, & OH.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +169.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,140,948.
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11-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.831 ↑ | 1.381 ↑ |
| United States | 26.576 ↑ | 1.589 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, FL, MN, MO, & TX.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +195.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,166,011.
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11-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.844 ↑ | 1.385 ↑ |
| United States | 26.808 ↑ | 1.591 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, TN, & KS.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +215.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,164,938.
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John Steigerwald @Steigerworld
Not one case of a Covid 19 spreading during the playing of any sport. Anywhere on the planet Earth.
Not one.
NFL Chief Medical Officer: No Evidence of In-Play COVID-19 Spread Anywhere in World – OutKick
6:05 PM · Nov 10, 2020
The story he references:NFL Chief Medical Officer: No Evidence of In-Play COVID-19 Spread Anywhere in World
by Ryan Glasspiegel
a day ago
Recently, I wondered aloud if there had been any evidence one way or the other that COVID-19 spreads during sporting event play. Of course, we’ve seen a lot of evidence that the virus can otherwise spread amongst teammates, but a big part of the initial concern on return to play regarded spreading COVID on the field.
In his MMQB column that he took over when Peter King left Sports Illustrated for NBC, Albert Breer posed this question to the NFL’s chief medical officer, Dr. Allen Sills.
“We have seen zero evidence of transmission player-to-player on the field, either during games or practices, which I think is an important and powerful statement,†Dr. Sills said. “And it also confirms what other sports leagues have found around the world. We regularly communicate with World Rugby, Australian rules football, European soccer leagues. To date, no one has documented a case of player-to-player transmission in a field sporting environment. Obviously, I don’t think we’re at the point where we’d say it cannot occur, but none of us have seen yet, and that’s certainly encouraging.â€
Instead, Dr. Sills said that they’ve discovered three high-risk areas: meeting, eating and greeting. ...
More at Outkick (https://www.outkick.com/nfl-chief-medical-officer-no-evidence-of-covid-19-spread-in-play-anywhere-in-world/)
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Ticketmaster will require proof of COVID vaccine or negative test for customers to attend concerts
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/ticketmaster-will-require-proof-covid-vaccine-or-negative-test
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Ticketmaster will require proof of COVID vaccine or negative test for customers to attend concerts
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/ticketmaster-will-require-proof-covid-vaccine-or-negative-test
I'm unaffected, because the acts I'd pay to see are all dead. :laugh:
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Day 241 of the 15 days we need to flatten the curve. Is anyone ready yet to accept our new Wuhan Flu Overlords?
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Day 241 of the 15 days we need to flatten the curve. Is anyone ready yet to accept our new Wuhan Flu Overlords?
I remember when I was hopeful that the shutdown would end in time for us to have our regular Easter Sunday service at church. :crying:
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I remember when I was hopeful that the shutdown would end in time for us to have our regular Easter Sunday service at church. :crying:
"Eat yer broccoli, peasant!!!"
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Day 241 of the 15 days we need to flatten the curve. Is anyone ready yet to accept our new Wuhan Flu Overlords?
You spelt Flucking Whorelords wrong.
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Ticketmaster will require proof of COVID vaccine or negative test for customers to attend concerts
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/ticketmaster-will-require-proof-covid-vaccine-or-negative-test
Using third-party software that doesn't exist yet? Good luck with that.
The surest way to discourage vaccine uptake is to track everyone who gets one.
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China would like nothing more than shutting down our economy again.
I don't think people in red states will comply.
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Day 241 of the 15 days we need to flatten the curve. Is anyone ready yet to accept our new Wuhan Flu Overlords?
Californians and New Yorkers seem quite pliant, though. Like a battered wife, too afraid to set off the old man. So we quietly go without plastic grocery bags and showers, and tell grandma Gov. Newsom said there’s no room for her at the Thanksgiving table...sorry.
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Californians and New Yorkers seem quite pliant, though. Like a battered wife, too afraid to set off the old man. So we quietly go without plastic grocery bags and showers, and tell grandma Gov. Newsom said there’s no room for her at the Thanksgiving table...sorry.
I see that more as metro areas being compliant. Big cities breed socialists for a reason.
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Ticketmaster will require proof of COVID vaccine or negative test for customers to attend concerts
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/ticketmaster-will-require-proof-covid-vaccine-or-negative-test
Okay.
I won't go.
Fixed that. (Eat your tickets!)
Next!
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I see that more as metro areas being compliant. Big cities breed socialists for a reason.
It's the conditioning that comes with standing in lines for everything.
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It's the conditioning that comes with standing in lines for everything.
And services for everything. Reliance on others to do for you. Inherently, that breeds an 'it takes a village' mentality. Folks on the land may not always do for themselves, but they always know how to. That leads to a sort of individualism as a matter of course.
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And services for everything. Reliance on others to do for you. Inherently, that breeds an 'it takes a village' mentality. Folks on the land may not always do for themselves, but they always know how to. That leads to a sort of individualism as a matter of course.
And when those of us in flyover country have finally had enough, what is going to happen to those piled on top of each other in those places?
And BTW: WTF is a ticketmaster?
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And when those of us in flyover country have finally had enough, what is going to happen to those piled on top of each other in those places?
And BTW: WTF is a ticketmaster?
I have heard of them, one of those places that sells tickets to events. Never saw one, though, and never used one.
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And BTW: WTF is a ticketmaster?
BTHOOM (beats the hell outta me - Sorry trying to start a new acronym) :laugh:
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And BTW: WTF is a ticketmaster?
Enslaver of tickets?
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BTHOOM (beats the hell outta me - Sorry trying to start a new acronym) :laugh:
I like it! :beer:
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I like it! :beer:
LOL! You would since you live on the damned things!
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I see that more as metro areas being compliant. Big cities breed socialists for a reason.
I can tell you the outskirts of the state of New York have tuned the governor out. They will not comply with the ten-person limit.
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I can tell you the outskirts of the state of New York have tuned the governor out. They will not comply with the ten-person limit.
Better late than never... :shrug:
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Nothing to see here.
Elon Musk @elonmusk
Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD.
12:47 AM · Nov 13, 2020
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Fauci says.....now is the time to ‘do what you’re told’.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html?__source=sharebar (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html?__source=sharebar)|twitter&par=sharebar
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Fauci says.....now is the time to ‘do what you’re told’.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html?__source=sharebar (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html?__source=sharebar)|twitter&par=sharebar
Fauci can KMHWA!
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I read about King David Healing Holy Oil and now I don't have COVID.
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11-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.889 ↑ | 1.386 ↑ |
| United States | 26.844 ↑ | 1.601 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, WI, & MI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +169.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,194,754.
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11-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 28.874 ↓ | 1.391 ↑ |
| United States | 26.875 ↑ | 1.611 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, WI, MI, & KS.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +125.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,225,134.
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I read about King David Healing Holy Oil and now I don't have COVID.
Don't laugh... Thieve's Oil got its name during the black plague... Kept it from infecting the folks that moved the bodies... Which they pilfered as a fee.
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11-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.074 ↑ | 1.386 ↓ |
| United States | 27.066 ↑ | 1.616 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, WI, & MI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +122.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,236,062.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 29.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 27.
14-Day Recovery Deficit is heading upwards again, denoting that recoveries from recent case rises are not being properly tracked.
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I read about King David Healing Holy Oil and now I don't have COVID.
@rustynail
Sounds like sum good stuff!
Where can I read about it,and how much does it cost to read about it?
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@rustynail
Sounds like sum good stuff!
Where can I read about it,and how much does it cost to read about it?
https://www.myolivetree.com/how-is-the-kings-oil-different-from-other-anointing-oils/ (https://www.myolivetree.com/how-is-the-kings-oil-different-from-other-anointing-oils/)
Only your time for now.
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https://www.myolivetree.com/how-is-the-kings-oil-different-from-other-anointing-oils/ (https://www.myolivetree.com/how-is-the-kings-oil-different-from-other-anointing-oils/)
Only your time for now.
@rustynail
So,you are serious about this stuff?
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@rustynail
So,you are serious about this stuff?
No. But I do believe in the power of a placebo.
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No. But I do believe in the power of a placebo.
I call it Faith.
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Fauci says.....now is the time to ‘do what you’re told’.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html?__source=sharebar (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independent-spirit-but-now-is-the-time-to-do-what-youre-told.html?__source=sharebar)|twitter&par=sharebar
I'm convinced this is a straw man. Everywhere I go, people are wearing masks. Hell, I see people wearing masks who are driving in their cars with their dogs. I see restaurants enforcing social distancing protocols. Still, some folks get COVID, and why not? It's a virus. You get sick, you get better, for most folks.
The experts all say folks catch the stuff at private parties and gatherings. Hell, we should be running PSAs telling folks to patronize their local restaurants and bars, where the protocols are just good business. NYC is now closing all restaurants and bars at 10:00. Are they nuts? Where do they think folks are going to go after ten? All down to some hipster's basement to go catch the Covid.
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I'm convinced this is a straw man. Everywhere I go, people are wearing masks. Hell, I see people wearing masks who are driving in their cars with their dogs. I see restaurants enforcing social distancing protocols. Still, some folks get COVID, and why not? It's a virus. You get sick, you get better, for most folks.
The experts all say folks catch the stuff at private parties and gatherings. Hell, we should be running PSAs telling folks to patronize their local restaurants and bars, where the protocols are just good business. NYC is now closing all restaurants and bars at 10:00. Are they nuts? Where do they think folks are going to go after ten? All down to some hipster's basement to go catch the Covid.
That's right. It's a shame we're willingly giving up the power to alter these events.
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Can I start the rumor the Trump reelection bid died of covid despite the fact it had recovered from covid?
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11-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.075 ↑ | 1.390 ↑ |
| United States | 27.161 ↑ | 1.630 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, MI, & OH.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +99.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,276,236.
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11-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.100 ↑ | 1.392 ↑ |
| United States | 27.426 ↑ | 1.629 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, MN, IN, & CA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +116.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,260,319.
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@Hoodat I've been watching your dailies for months, and I see a pretty sharp up-slope in the 7-day moving average. The cross-over to all red was mid-to-late October.....
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@Hoodat I've been watching your dailies for months, and I see a pretty sharp up-slope in the 7-day moving average. The cross-over to all red was mid-to-late October.....
The moving average correlates with the rise in infection rate (i.e Case-to-recovery ratio). We are on an upward swing and have been for a few weeks.
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Certainly on a huge up spike in my town of 150k. We were averaging 15-20 new cases a day. Now we are hitting 200+ a day and surrounding towns are showing this huge spike as well, in Texas. Come on vaccine!
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The moving average correlates with the rise in infection rate (i.e Case-to-recovery ratio). We are on an upward swing and have been for a few weeks.
Record number of cases in ND....
...record number of tests, too.
Gee, Wally, ya think?
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Record number of cases in ND....
...record number of tests, too.
Gee, Wally, ya think?
North Dakota is winning the immunity race. Confirmed cases represents over 8% of state population. Multiply that by 5, and that should be actual number with antibodies.
South Dakota is not far behind.
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North Dakota is winning the immunity race. Confirmed cases represents over 8% of state population. Multiply that by 5, and that should be actual number with antibodies.
South Dakota is not far behind.
Despite the Governor's mask mandate, more than half of people don't wear them, especially outside. Food deliveries I know of which have a 'contactless' option, (which has to be de-selected online or on phone orders because it is the default option) only opt for contactless about half the time, and some of those are simply default seletions, not active choices. There are over 400 active cases in this county now, which is roughly 1% of the county population. I know a few people who have recovered, and one whose death was credited to COVID (who had a few comorbidities).
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11-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.174 ↑ | 1.394 ↑ |
| United States | 27.539 ↑ | 1.640 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, FL, CA, OH, & MN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +111.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,289,404.
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11-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.206 ↑ | 1.393 ↓ |
| United States | 27.783 ↑ | 1.644 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, TN, & MN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +105.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,295,527.
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Fatality rates by State - based on reported cases only.
| New Jersey | 5.75% |
| New York | 5.65% |
| Massachusetts | 5.42% |
| Connecticut | 5.10% |
| District Of Columbia | 3.41% |
| Pennsylvania | 3.37% |
| New Hampshire | 3.32% |
| Louisiana | 2.99% |
| Michigan | 2.91% |
| Rhode Island | 2.87% |
| Mississippi | 2.62% |
| Maryland | 2.55% |
| Delaware | 2.52% |
| Arizona | 2.27% |
| USA Total | 2.18% |
| South Carolina | 2.10% |
| Georgia | 2.10% |
| Florida | 1.97% |
| Indiana | 1.91% |
| Illinois | 1.91% |
| Vermont | 1.90% |
| Ohio | 1.89% |
| New Mexico | 1.88% |
| Virginia | 1.85% |
| Washington | 1.84% |
| Texas | 1.82% |
| Maine | 1.77% |
| California | 1.75% |
| West Virginia | 1.69% |
| Arkansas | 1.65% |
| Nevada | 1.57% |
| Colorado | 1.53% |
| North Carolina | 1.51% |
| Alabama | 1.49% |
| Missouri | 1.38% |
| Hawaii | 1.33% |
| Oregon | 1.32% |
| Minnesota | 1.26% |
| Tennessee | 1.23% |
| Kentucky | 1.19% |
| North Dakota | 1.16% |
| Montana | 1.09% |
| Iowa | 1.06% |
| Kansas | 1.02% |
| Oklahoma | 0.98% |
| South Dakota | 0.97% |
| Idaho | 0.91% |
| Wisconsin | 0.83% |
| Nebraska | 0.78% |
| Wyoming | 0.62% |
| Utah | 0.46% |
| Alaska | 0.42% |
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11-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.206 ↑ | 1.393 ↓ |
| United States | 27.783 ↑ | 1.644 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, TN, & MN.
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Out of curiosity I looked over the the new cases and daily deaths data for several populous CA counties (Santa Clara, LA, and San Diego). Daily new cases are definitely way up. However, even the the cases increases have been going on for a month or more, the daily deaths stats are either flat or decreasing. This data was from before Goobernor Noisome's re-imposition of stricter semi-shutdown regs.
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Fatality rates by State - based on reported cases only.
| New Jersey | 5.75% |
| New York | 5.65% |
| Massachusetts | 5.42% |
| Connecticut | 5.10% |
| District Of Columbia | 3.41% |
| Pennsylvania | 3.37% |
| New Hampshire | 3.32% |
| Louisiana | 2.99% |
| Michigan | 2.91% |
| Rhode Island | 2.87% |
| Mississippi | 2.62% |
| Maryland | 2.55% |
| Delaware | 2.52% |
| Arizona | 2.27% |
| USA Total | 2.18% |
| South Carolina | 2.10% |
| Georgia | 2.10% |
| Florida | 1.97% |
| Indiana | 1.91% |
| Illinois | 1.91% |
| Vermont | 1.90% |
| Ohio | 1.89% |
| New Mexico | 1.88% |
| Virginia | 1.85% |
| Washington | 1.84% |
| Texas | 1.82% |
| Maine | 1.77% |
| California | 1.75% |
| West Virginia | 1.69% |
| Arkansas | 1.65% |
| Nevada | 1.57% |
| Colorado | 1.53% |
| North Carolina | 1.51% |
| Alabama | 1.49% |
| Missouri | 1.38% |
| Hawaii | 1.33% |
| Oregon | 1.32% |
| Minnesota | 1.26% |
| Tennessee | 1.23% |
| Kentucky | 1.19% |
| North Dakota | 1.16% |
| Montana | 1.09% |
| Iowa | 1.06% |
| Kansas | 1.02% |
| Oklahoma | 0.98% |
| South Dakota | 0.97% |
| Idaho | 0.91% |
| Wisconsin | 0.83% |
| Nebraska | 0.78% |
| Wyoming | 0.62% |
| Utah | 0.46% |
| Alaska | 0.42% |
North Dakota's numbers agree pretty well with what I had calculated from DOH data.
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Portuguese Appeals Court Deems PCR Tests Unreliable
By Pete Bianco - November 17, 2020
https://www.uticaphoenix.net/2020/11/17/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/ (https://www.uticaphoenix.net/2020/11/17/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/)
On November 11, 2020, a Portuguese appeal court ruled it was unlawful to quarantine people based solely on a PCR test.
The court stated, the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used and the viral load present. Citing Jaafar et al. 2020, the court concludes that “if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the rule in most laboratories in Europe and the US), the probability that said person is infected is less than 3%, and the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%.†The court further notes that the cycle threshold used for the PCR tests currently being made in Portugal is unknown.
This case concerned the fact that four people had been quarantined by the Regional Health Authority. Of these, one had tested positive for COVID using a PCR test; the other three were deemed to have undergone a high risk of exposure. Consequently, the Regional Health Authority decided that all four were infectious and a health hazard, which required that they go into isolation.
The court’s summary of the case to rule against the Regional Health Authority’s appeal reads as follows: “Given how much scientific doubt exists — as voiced by experts, i.e., those who matter — about the reliability of the PCR tests, given the lack of information concerning the tests’ analytical parameters, and in the absence of a physician’s diagnosis supporting the existence of infection or risk, there is no way this court would ever be able to determine whether C was indeed a carrier of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, or whether A, B and D had been at a high risk of exposure to it.â€
In the US, the FDA’s instructions for PCR testing recommends a threshold of 40 cycles for a specimen to be considered positive. See page 35 of the instructions.
At 25 cycles the original material has been multiplied 33,554,432 times.
At 30 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,073,741,824 times.
At 40 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,099,511,627,776 times.
As you can see there is quite a difference in magnification at various cycle thresholds.
-- excerpt, rest at link above --
Thus explaining all of these positive test results and no symptoms.
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Portuguese Appeals Court Deems PCR Tests Unreliable
By Pete Bianco - November 17, 2020
https://www.uticaphoenix.net/2020/11/17/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/ (https://www.uticaphoenix.net/2020/11/17/portuguese-appeals-court-deems-pcr-tests-unreliable/)
On November 11, 2020, a Portuguese appeal court ruled it was unlawful to quarantine people based solely on a PCR test.
The court stated, the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used and the viral load present. Citing Jaafar et al. 2020, the court concludes that “if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the rule in most laboratories in Europe and the US), the probability that said person is infected is less than 3%, and the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%.†The court further notes that the cycle threshold used for the PCR tests currently being made in Portugal is unknown.
This case concerned the fact that four people had been quarantined by the Regional Health Authority. Of these, one had tested positive for COVID using a PCR test; the other three were deemed to have undergone a high risk of exposure. Consequently, the Regional Health Authority decided that all four were infectious and a health hazard, which required that they go into isolation.
The court’s summary of the case to rule against the Regional Health Authority’s appeal reads as follows: “Given how much scientific doubt exists — as voiced by experts, i.e., those who matter — about the reliability of the PCR tests, given the lack of information concerning the tests’ analytical parameters, and in the absence of a physician’s diagnosis supporting the existence of infection or risk, there is no way this court would ever be able to determine whether C was indeed a carrier of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, or whether A, B and D had been at a high risk of exposure to it.â€
In the US, the FDA’s instructions for PCR testing recommends a threshold of 40 cycles for a specimen to be considered positive. See page 35 of the instructions.
At 25 cycles the original material has been multiplied 33,554,432 times.
At 30 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,073,741,824 times.
At 40 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,099,511,627,776 times.
As you can see there is quite a difference in magnification at various cycle thresholds.
-- excerpt, rest at link above --
Thus explaining all of these positive test results and no symptoms.
In an nutshell, the disease isn't as widespread as the tests say.
This is why new cases are likely not a valid metric--and why number of new cases tracks number of tests, with a slight delay for processing.
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In an nutshell, the disease isn't as widespread as the tests say.
This is why new cases are likely not a valid metric--and why number of new cases tracks number of tests, with a slight delay for processing.
What you REALLY need to know is that this COVID construct is just another facet of a grand conspiracy to steal a Presidential election in the United States of America!
Prove me wrong.
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What you REALLY need to know is that this COVID construct is just another facet of a grand conspiracy to steal a Presidential election in the United States of America!
Prove me wrong.
See http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396735.msg2330620.html#msg2330620 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396735.msg2330620.html#msg2330620)
If you haven't already.
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At 40 cycles the original material has been multiplied 1,099,511,627,776 times.
A trillion generations, and that's considered "acceptable?"
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Fatality rates by State - based on reported cases only.
| New Jersey | 5.75% |
| New York | 5.65% |
| Massachusetts | 5.42% |
| Connecticut | 5.10% |
| District Of Columbia | 3.41% |
| Pennsylvania | 3.37% |
| New Hampshire | 3.32% |
| Louisiana | 2.99% |
| Michigan | 2.91% |
| Rhode Island | 2.87% |
| Mississippi | 2.62% |
| Maryland | 2.55% |
| Delaware | 2.52% |
| Arizona | 2.27% |
| USA Total | 2.18% |
| South Carolina | 2.10% |
| Georgia | 2.10% |
| Florida | 1.97% |
| Indiana | 1.91% |
| Illinois | 1.91% |
| Vermont | 1.90% |
| Ohio | 1.89% |
| New Mexico | 1.88% |
| Virginia | 1.85% |
| Washington | 1.84% |
| Texas | 1.82% |
| Maine | 1.77% |
| California | 1.75% |
| West Virginia | 1.69% |
| Arkansas | 1.65% |
| Nevada | 1.57% |
| Colorado | 1.53% |
| North Carolina | 1.51% |
| Alabama | 1.49% |
| Missouri | 1.38% |
| Hawaii | 1.33% |
| Oregon | 1.32% |
| Minnesota | 1.26% |
| Tennessee | 1.23% |
| Kentucky | 1.19% |
| North Dakota | 1.16% |
| Montana | 1.09% |
| Iowa | 1.06% |
| Kansas | 1.02% |
| Oklahoma | 0.98% |
| South Dakota | 0.97% |
| Idaho | 0.91% |
| Wisconsin | 0.83% |
| Nebraska | 0.78% |
| Wyoming | 0.62% |
| Utah | 0.46% |
| Alaska | 0.42% |
So for a 1.75% fatality rate, gruesome Newsom punishes the remaining living citizens and their economic viability and future?
This is nuts!
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A trillion generations, and that's considered "acceptable?"
Depends on who you ask and what their motivations are.
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A trillion generations, and that's considered "acceptable?"
Whatever it takes...
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It's not that difficult to explain to non-medical people how amplifying works, because most have seen a lot of CSI and NCIS episodes.
What should give them pause it takes over a trillion clonings to boost the DNA levels to the point they can be construed as "positive test results." Anybody who's ever made copies of copies of cassette tapes know it results in diminished quality.
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What you REALLY need to know is that this COVID construct is just another facet of a grand conspiracy to steal a Presidential election in the United States of America!
Prove me wrong.
See http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396735.msg2330620.html#msg2330620 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,396735.msg2330620.html#msg2330620)
If you haven't already.
I am leaning hard toward 'The Great Reset' being attempted... With the virus being an artifice of convenience.
Suddenly this 'Great Reset' lingo (go read what they desire) is filtering into the media dialog. Phrases and thoughts... I always said it was bigger than the US or the US election.
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I am leaning hard toward 'The Great Reset' being attempted... With the virus being an artifice of convenience.
Suddenly this 'Great Reset' lingo (go read what they desire) is filtering into the media dialog. Phrases and thoughts... I always said it was bigger than the US or the US election.
It's global, but if the US is in the way (and yes, even Trump) it ain't gonna work.
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It's global, but if the US is in the way (and yes, even Trump) it ain't gonna work.
That's right. The Protestant West, and the Muslims in the middle east won't be broken so easily.
BUT, already this offense is being lofted on the Canucks... The idea of total debt forgiveness in exchange for surrender of property rights... Funny ain't it, how this Wuhan virus is the layup for just such a thing...
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That's right. The Protestant West, and the Muslims in the middle east won't be broken so easily.
The Moslems are wayyy ahead of the "mask game." They've been masking their wimins' faces for centuries. That is, not coincidentally, to be the end result of this bullshit.
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The Moslems are wayyy ahead of the "mask game." They've been masking their wimins' faces for centuries. That is, not coincidentally, to be the end result of this bullshit.
Yep. THe very face masks that Americans would have bled to keep off their women are being demanded by Karens everywhere...(and the (*&)@# things are ineffective, to boot!)
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Our church choir finally is getting back to practicing, after 8 or so months off, but we have to keep wearing masks. I sewed a new one today for the occasion - only one layer of very breathable fabric. It's not like it was going to prevent transmission of the virus anyway.
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The Moslems are wayyy ahead of the "mask game." They've been masking their wimins' faces for centuries. That is, not coincidentally, to be the end result of this bullshit.
The masks ain't the point except in their indication of obedience.
Look into the Great Reset. Seriously. It's communist at it's root.
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The masks ain't the point except in their indication of obedience.
:bingo:
Look into the Great Reset. Seriously. It's communist at it's root.
I've barely scratched that surface. :shrug:
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I've barely scratched that surface. :shrug:
It is international debt forgiveness in trade for giving up all rights to property. That is the main thrust, and there are a whole bunch of heavy hitters in politics and business signing on.
It is literally horrifying.
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It is international debt forgiveness in trade for giving up all rights to property. That is the main thrust, and there are a whole bunch of heavy hitters in politics and business signing on.
It is literally horrifying.
It sounds like it.
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The masks ain't the point except in their indication of obedience.
Look into the Great Reset. Seriously. It's communist at it's root.
Today, bright and sunny walk in my 150 acre coastal park, steady breeze going, and the few people I see were wearing masks, no one else around. Sometimes I get that urge to grab them by the shoulders shake and yell. “Wake up!†Most are older Chinese though, it’s in their DNA. No point in it.
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Today, bright and sunny walk in my 150 acre coastal park, steady breeze going, and the few people I see were wearing masks, no one else around. Sometimes I get that urge to grab them by the shoulders shake and yell. “Wake up!†Most are older Chinese though, it’s in their DNA. No point in it.
Sure... Nobody around, it's just nuts. But I ain't going to cuss old folks for taking steps... They're the ones this thing could statistically harm.
But you are right. it is almost point-and-laugh hilarious in town... Folks driving alone in their cars, invariably karens, or bookish younger males. Makes me shake my head, turn around and head back out of town... Where things are pretty normal, less the odd elders not taking any chances.
I ain't been going to the Costco because it is the one place I need to go that I would have to wear a mask or a shield... So I been having it delivered via InstaCart... Costs me a twenty or so, but if I wait a bit till I have an order of $250 or more, that ain't so bad...
Anyhow, the fun part of all that is when the InstaCart delivery person shows up to drop my order off on the porch, the first think I say is, "Y'all can take that sh*t off if you want to..."
And every single one of em, without fail says, "Oh thank God!" and pulls off the mask. :laugh:
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Sure... Nobody around, it's just nuts. But I ain't going to cuss old folks for taking steps... They're the ones this thing could statistically harm.
But you are right. it is almost point-and-laugh hilarious in town... Folks driving alone in their cars, invariably karens, or bookish younger males. Makes me shake my head, turn around and head back out of town... Where things are pretty normal, less the odd elders not taking any chances.
I ain't been going to the Costco because it is the one place I need to go that I would have to wear a mask or a shield... So I been having it delivered via InstaCart... Costs me a twenty or so, but if I wait a bit till I have an order of $250 or more, that ain't so bad...
Anyhow, the fun part of all that is when the InstaCart delivery person shows up to drop my order off on the porch, the first think I say is, "Y'all can take that sh*t off if you want to..."
And every single one of em, without fail says, "Oh thank God!" and pulls off the mask. :laugh:
Mrs. Liberty and I have a volunteer gig we do at the GOP HQ here in BHC, and most people come in wearing masks. They think the City still requires it, but they don't. I say almost that exact same thing to them. the trilogy of shipping services we use, UPS, FedEx and USPS, and they don't wear them on delivery.
We never wore them in the HQ, even when it was supposedly mandatory. We just told the inspectors, "We aren't open to 'the public,' only for Republicans."
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Our church choir finally is getting back to practicing, after 8 or so months off, but we have to keep wearing masks. I sewed a new one today for the occasion - only one layer of very breathable fabric. It's not like it was going to prevent transmission of the virus anyway.
I've been using a shield for over a month now.
I was wearing a mask at work one day and, when I bent down to adjust a machine, my breath showed up on the plexiglas plane, even as I was breathing through that mask. Not particularly helpful, is it?
If I have to stay legal, I might as well be able to actually breathe, and at least stop the projectile droplets anyway.
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Mrs. Liberty and I have a volunteer gig we do at the GOP HQ here in BHC, and most people come in wearing masks. They think the City still requires it, but they don't. I say almost that exact same thing to them. the trilogy of shipping services we use, UPS, FedEx and USPS, and they don't wear them on delivery.
We never wore them in the HQ, even when it was supposedly mandatory. We just told the inspectors, "We aren't open to 'the public,' only for Republicans."
It's just too funny. Of course, out of town, none of the rednecks are wearing em. And never will.
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Jeremy Faust MD MS (ER physician)
@jeremyfaust
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This is my mask.
There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My mask is my best friend.
It is my life.
I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my mask is useless.
Without my mask, I am useless.
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11-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.317 ↑ | 1.390 ↓ |
| United States | 27.874 ↑ | 1.651 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +125.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,342,333.
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11-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.359 ↑ | 1.390 - |
| United States | 27.968 ↑ | 1.657 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, IL, WI, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +186.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,378,630.
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11-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.384 ↑ | 1.393 ↑ |
| United States | 28.039 ↑ | 1.657 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, TX, CA, MI, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +302.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,419,727.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 28.
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11-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.410 ↑ | 1.392 ↓ |
| United States | 28.107 ↑ | 1.678 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, WI, FL, PA, & MI.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +367.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,481,196.
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11-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.458 ↑ | 1.393 ↑ |
| United States | 28.282 ↑ | 1.682 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, IL, TX, FL, & OH.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +362.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,519,783.
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Waitaminute....11/22 hasn't happened yet. :shrug:
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Waitaminute....11/22 hasn't happened yet. :shrug:
That's midnight Greenwich Meridian Time. And yes, that happened 4 hours and 38 min ago.
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That's midnight Greenwich Meridian Time. And yes, that happened 4 hours and 38 min ago.
Ah! Zulu Time! I forgotted it....
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I've been using a shield for over a month now.
@jmyrlefuller
I also wear a face shield. Mine is by Lincon Welding,and I bought it to wear while grinding steel in my shop and to wear while weed-whacking out in the yard.
Like you say,they don't restrict your breathing,and I have COPD. On top of not restricting your breathing,they also deflect any germs you are breathing,coughing,or sneezing down into your shirt instead of out into the open air of the room. If you are wearing a cloth shirt,as most of us do,any germs will be trapped by the cloth.
Even now some numbnuts will occasionally insist my shield isn't "safe enough" and that I need to wear his paper mask.
Seems at times the animals are now in charge of the zoo,doesn't it?
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If wearing a mask will satisfy the appetite of the government so they won't do something worse like shut down my business, then I'll wear a mask.
There is no science showing restaurants practicing protocols are spreading the virus. Indeed, they say its the private parties and gatherings, where no protocols are followed, that are spreading the virus. So what does the idiot government in Philadelphia do? It shuts down all restaurants, bans the places following protocols, and forces the rest of us this winter into basements.
The problem is that I'm glad to wear a mask, but it is never enough to stop the government from doing more harm than good.
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If wearing a mask will satisfy the appetite of the government so they won't do something worse like shut down my business, then I'll wear a mask.
So if the Government orders you to wear a full Burka in order to do business, you would do that? ****sheep****
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So if the Government orders you to wear a full Burka in order to do business, you would do that? ****sheep****
Does that come with razors?
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If wearing a mask will satisfy the appetite of the government so they won't do something worse like shut down my business, then I'll wear a mask.
There is no science showing restaurants practicing protocols are spreading the virus. Indeed, they say its the private parties and gatherings, where no protocols are followed, that are spreading the virus. So what does the idiot government in Philadelphia do? It shuts down all restaurants, bans the places following protocols, and forces the rest of us this winter into basements.
The problem is that I'm glad to wear a mask, but it is never enough to stop the government from doing more harm than good.
Figures you’d be such a compliant sheep to the government.
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So if the Government orders you to wear a full Burka in order to do business, you would do that? ****sheep****
Have you noticed that none of the politicians making the decisions to shut down businesses and impact people's livelihoods have had their paycheck affected? Hell one of them even gave themselves a raise.
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Have you noticed that none of the politicians making the decisions to shut down businesses and impact people's livelihoods have had their paycheck affected? Hell one of them even gave themselves a raise.
And winning awards.
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If wearing a mask will satisfy the appetite of the government so they won't do something worse like shut down my business, then I'll wear a mask.
If rounding up Jews and cramming them into a ghetto while they await cattle car rides to eastern Poland will satisfy the appetite of the government so they won't do something worse like rounding up Catholics, then I'll comply.
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And winning awards.
Funny how that works
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If rounding up Jews and cramming them into a ghetto while they await cattle car rides to eastern Poland will satisfy the appetite of the government so they won't do something worse like rounding up Catholics, then I'll comply.
:patriot: :patriot:
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Have you noticed that none of the politicians making the decisions to shut down businesses and impact people's livelihoods have had their paycheck affected? Hell one of them even gave themselves a raise.
Oh yeah. but "we're all in this together"....but we aren't.
The only politicians doing themselves in are former friends of Hillary...
I wish I could say that for people who have lost their businesses, jobs, houses, everything they have worked for.
I hope there is a special circle in Hell for these rat b@stards.
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Qantas airline to mandate COVID-19 vaccine for international flights https://trib.al/ncD8IUn
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So if the Government orders you to wear a full Burka in order to do business, you would do that? ****sheep****
It's kind of ironic and a real double standard by the people forcing these measures on us...that more and more people are wearing masks...even when alone in their cars...they've been compliant with the measures...yet the numbers of people that have supposedly contracted the virus have kept increasing?
So their solution is to double down on measures that have already proven to be a failure. It's kind of a microcosm of the left as a whole.
And no one in the media seems to have the balls to ask these officials the simple question of "If the masks and business shutdowns didn't work before...why are we doing it again?"
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And no one in the media seems to have the balls to ask these officials the simple question of "If the masks and business shutdowns didn't work before...why are we doing it again?"
Not to worry. They'll respond that the economy just isn't shutdown enough, and people aren't wearing masks enough.
Science, my Aunt Fanny.
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Not to worry. They'll respond that the economy just isn't shutdown enough, and people aren't wearing masks enough.
Science, my Aunt Fanny.
I heard something the other day that made sense (sadly I can't remember where from maybe Twitter)...the person said that the Progressive politicians shutting down businesses are doing it to punish small business owners because they tend to vote Republican...even in deep blue states. Because when you think about it...with a few exceptions it's the small businesses being crushed by the forced closures. The large corporations can survive...but the mom and pop or small market chain retailers can't.
It just solidified my belief that this is and always has been about politics and not about science or medicine.
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I heard something the other day that made sense (sadly I can't remember where from maybe Twitter)...the person said that the Progressive politicians shutting down businesses are doing it to punish small business owners because they tend to vote Republican...even in deep blue states. Because when you think about it...with a few exceptions it's the small businesses being crushed by the forced closures. The large corporations can survive...but the mom and pop or small market chain retailers can't.
It just solidified my belief that this is and always has been about politics and not about science or medicine.
the 'Great Reset' is the play... And small business has to be broken for their reset to succeed. People must depend upon the state, and have nothing without it.
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the 'Great Reset' is the play... And small business has to be broken for their reset to succeed. People must depend upon the state, and have nothing without it.
Like with the election this year...those pushing this reset...misjudged the American people and how we'd react to something like that.
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We've now officially reached maximum insanity.
Pennsylvania Health Secretary Dr. Levine Issues One-Night Suspension of Alcohol Sales Starting Night Before Thanksgiving
By Cristina Laila
Published November 23, 2020 at 2:36pm
Pennsylvania Health Secretary Dr. “Rachel†Levine issued a one-night suspension of alcohol sales on Wednesday, just one day before Thanksgiving.
The Democrats have brought back the prohibition in order to combat Covid, because science.CBS Pittsburgh (KDKA (https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/23/pennsylvania-alcohol-ban-stay-at-home-advisory/)) reported:
On Wednesday, Nov. 25, restaurants and bars are ordered to suspend alcohol sales at 5 p.m. until 8 a.m. on Thursday, Nov. 26. Gov. Wolf says the Wednesday before Thanksgiving is the “biggest day for drinking†and acknowledged bars and restaurants have been hit hard by the pandemic, but this one-night ban is needed. ...
Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-health-secretary-issues-one-night-suspension-alcohol-sales-starting-night-thanksgiving/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons)
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Aunt Rachel (nee Richard) Levine
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We've now officially reached maximum insanity.Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-health-secretary-issues-one-night-suspension-alcohol-sales-starting-night-thanksgiving/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons)
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Aunt Rachel (nee Richard) Levine
So what this guy has done is basically sent everyone panic buying for the next three days.
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I heard something the other day that made sense (sadly I can't remember where from maybe Twitter)...the person said that the Progressive politicians shutting down businesses are doing it to punish small business owners because they tend to vote Republican..
Small businesses employ half of American workforce.
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11-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.510 ↑ | 1.393 - |
| United States | 28.369 ↑ | 1.689 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, CA, OH, MN, & TX.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +383.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,581,062.
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It's kind of ironic and a real double standard by the people forcing these measures on us...that more and more people are wearing masks...even when alone in their cars...they've been compliant with the measures...yet the numbers of people that have supposedly contracted the virus have kept increasing?
So their solution is to double down on measures that have already proven to be a failure. It's kind of a microcosm of the left as a whole.
And no one in the media seems to have the balls to ask these officials the simple question of "If the masks and business shutdowns didn't work before...why are we doing it again?"
@txradioguy
That's because the globalists that own and control the media are the same globalists that pay editors and reporters pay checks.
And what good would it do if an individual reporter decided to "swim against the flow" and publish the truth? His paycheck would stop before he or she even knew they were fired,AND the story would never get published.
The left OWNS the 'murikan media.
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Truth. More and more states will turn blue; it's just a matter of time.
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Richard "Rachel" Levine and Gov. Tom Wolf are the same guys who threaten to have me thrown in 14 days quarantine if I dare enter the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, where I attend church and have my hair cut. Unfortunately for me, we have a Thanksgiving church service tomorrow (I play handbells and really need to be there) and I have a hair appointment on Wednesday. Don't be alarmed if you hear of my arrest. My only hope is that Rachel will quarantine me in the Omni William Penn Hotel in Pittsburgh. It's quite nice. Will advise ...
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We've now officially reached maximum insanity.Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-health-secretary-issues-one-night-suspension-alcohol-sales-starting-night-thanksgiving/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons)
Context:
Wednesday is the notorious "Blackout Wednesday," where college students return home and binge-drink to excess. It has the potential to cause massive issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_Wednesday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_Wednesday)
The cutting off of Blackout Wednesday is meant to discourage likely reckless conduct on a known problem day. I don't anticipate it being a trend.
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Richard "Rachel" Levine and Gov. Tom Wolf are the same guys who threaten to have me thrown in 14 days quarantine if I dare enter the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, where I attend church and have my hair cut. Unfortunately for me, we have a Thanksgiving church service tomorrow (I play handbells and really need to be there) and I have a hair appointment on Wednesday. Don't be alarmed if you hear of my arrest. My only hope is that Rachel will quarantine me in the Omni William Penn Hotel in Pittsburgh. It's quite nice. Will advise ...
You don't play the Bass bells, do you?
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You don't play the Bass bells, do you?
I'm a delicate fleur. Just some of the high notes. This is my first foray into bell ringing. Remind me not to do this again.
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I'm a delicate fleur. Just some of the high notes. This is my first foray into bell ringing. Remind me not to do this again.
Can you play along to this?
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbrIrFxas0#)
888high58888
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I'm a delicate fleur. Just some of the high notes. This is my first foray into bell ringing. Remind me not to do this again.
I knew a gal who played the Bass Bells. She practiced after working out with two full milk cartons.
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@txradioguy
That's because the globalists that own and control the media are the same globalists that pay editors and reporters pay checks.
And what good would it do if an individual reporter decided to "swim against the flow" and publish the truth? His paycheck would stop before he or she even knew they were fired,AND the story would never get published.
The left OWNS the 'murikan media.
@sneakypete
And that's why...barring some miracle of miracles...my days of being a professional journalist ended the day I retired a little over a month ago.
Military journalists IMHO are some of the last honest brokers of the professions left.
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@sneakypete
And that's why...barring some miracle of miracles...my days of being a professional journalist ended the day I retired a little over a month ago.
Military journalists IMHO are some of the last honest brokers of the professions left.
I think your new gig is FAR more suited to your talents, anyway.
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I think your new gig is FAR more suited to your talents, anyway.
Thank you. I agree with you.
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Hey look on the bright side...it appears that in 2020 we've eradicated the flu.
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Paul Sperry @paulsperry_
BREAKING: COVID-19 death rates have plunged more than 80% from the pandemic's peak in the spring, according to CDC data, but you wouldn't know that from federal and state health authorities advising Americans to cancel their Thanksgiving plans
12:34 PM · Nov 23, 2020·
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Hey look on the bright side...it appears that in 2020 we've eradicated the flu.
Its a miracle.
Back on the dark side, Dr. Zeke Emanuel of Biden's "Covid Task Force" is recommending Americans not be given priority when vaccine distribution begins. So while the rest of the world may end up owing Warp Speed, Trump and the US taxpayer a great big thank you, we American citizens just might be looking at another X months of economic shutdown till we get our herd immunity.
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Hey look on the bright side...it appears that in 2020 we've eradicated the flu.
Nah! We just rebranded it and called it COVID-19.
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Its a miracle.
Back on the dark side, Dr. Zeke Emanuel of Biden's "Covid Task Force" is recommending Americans not be given priority when vaccine distribution begins. So while the rest of the world may end up owing Warp Speed, Trump and the US taxpayer a great big thank you, we American citizens just might be looking at another X months of economic shutdown till we get our herd immunity.
Zeke's a twisted dude. I envision him conducting experiments on Jewish children in concentration camps in the 30's and 40's. (And yes I know he's Jewish by birth)
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Zeke's a twisted dude. I envision him conducting experiments on Jewish children in concentration camps in the 30's and 40's. (And yes I know he's Jewish by birth)
I can see that as well.
But imagine - in effect he is proposing to prolong the nation's pandemic. I guess Biden's definition of "Covid Task Force" is different from Trump's.
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Paul Sperry @paulsperry_
BREAKING: COVID-19 death rates have plunged more than 80% from the pandemic's peak in the spring, according to CDC data, but you wouldn't know that from federal and state health authorities advising Americans to cancel their Thanksgiving plans
12:34 PM · Nov 23, 2020·
@mountaineer
The good news is it will soon be announced that Biden whupped Covid-19,and it is no longer a danger thanks to him taking over control.
In fact,I wouldn't be surprised to see Saint Biden declared to be a national holiday,or at least share billing with Saint Nick on Christmas Day.
Good thing he whupped Trump,huh? Otherwise we would all be dead!
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Its a miracle.
Back on the dark side, Dr. Zeke Emanuel of Biden's "Covid Task Force" is recommending Americans not be given priority when vaccine distribution begins. So while the rest of the world may end up owing Warp Speed, Trump and the US taxpayer a great big thank you, we American citizens just might be looking at another X months of economic shutdown till we get our herd immunity.
@skeeter
Cut Biden and his globalist masters some slack on this one. After all,'murikan union wurkers demand too much money for doing the same job the Chinese slaves do for basic room and board,so who do YOU to expect them to focus on when it comes to immunizations and cures?
Not that all the Chinese are going to get it,either. There are just too damn many of them to make managing them either easy or economical,so at least half of them are going to have to go once China has conquered all of Asia.
Nothing personal. It's just dollars and cents,and people too old or too handicapped to work and earn their keep are a drag on the economy,right?
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I can see that as well.
But imagine - in effect he is proposing to prolong the nation's pandemic. I guess Biden's definition of "Covid Task Force" is different from Trump's.
It's raced based politics pure and simple. Cuomo the Lesser up in New York has said as much. That and a political philosophy that somehow America should sit at the back of the bus on everything.
That's exactly what Obama did for 8 years and it looks like Dementia Joe is putting the band back together.
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Zeke's a twisted dude. I envision him conducting experiments on Jewish children in concentration camps in the 30's and 40's. (And yes I know he's Jewish by birth)
So is Soros. That doesn't appear to stop anything.
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It's raced based politics pure and simple. Cuomo the Lesser up in New York has said as much. That and a political philosophy that somehow America should sit at the back of the bus on everything.
That's exactly what Obama did for 8 years and it looks like Dementia Joe is putting the band back together.
Remember Gates, et.al. seem to believe in the Georgia Guidestones.
According to the Georgia Guidestones, 13 of every 14 people on the planet have to go.
Interesting.
I always thought if SHTF happened, I'd do well to take three with me.
Now, if the shooting starts, I have a new number to try for...
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Remember Gates, et.al. seem to believe in the Georgia Guidestones.
According to the Georgia Guidestones, 13 of every 14 people on the planet have to go.
Interesting.
I always thought if SHTF happened, I'd do well to take three with me.
Now, if the shooting starts, I have a new number to try for...
I hadn't heard of this...gonna have to look into it.
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I hadn't heard of this...gonna have to look into it.
Let me be of assistance...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)
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Let me be of assistance...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)
Pretty nauseating. Did Thomas Malthus write the inscriptions?
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@skeeter
Cut Biden and his globalist masters some slack on this one. After all,'murikan union wurkers demand too much money for doing the same job the Chinese slaves do for basic room and board,so who do YOU to expect them to focus on when it comes to immunizations and cures?
Not that all the Chinese are going to get it,either. There are just too damn many of them to make managing them either easy or economical,so at least half of them are going to have to go once China has conquered all of Asia.
Nothing personal. It's just dollars and cents,and people too old or too handicapped to work and earn their keep are a drag on the economy,right?
I'll bet they're having a record breaking ho-down in Beijing this month.
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Pretty nauseating. Did Thomas Malthus write the inscriptions?
Allegedly, no one knows where they came from.
But it's the wet dream wish list for purveyors of global socialism and things like the green new deal...and Agenda 21 2030.
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Let me be of assistance...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)
Time do do some reading.
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Local news really ramping up the virus scare stories the closer it gets to Thanksgiving. It's really journalistic malpractice to hear how they are reporting this stuff.
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Local news really ramping up the virus scare stories the closer it gets to Thanksgiving. It's really journalistic malpractice to hear how they are reporting this stuff.
Yeah, the propaganda hype intensifies in proximity to the event.
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https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/11/24/new-mexico-governor-closes-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks/
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https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/11/24/new-mexico-governor-closes-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks/
Everything in the produce sections and much in the dairy will go past date, incurring losses for the stores.
New Mexicans treated like Old Mexicans.
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Yeah, the propaganda hype intensifies in proximity to the event.
There is absolutely zero journalistic curiosity about why if all of those measures were supposed to "stop the spread" they haven't worked after 9 months of them being in place. They don't break the numbers down and explain things like how hospitals and long term care facilities get extra $$$ for the number of cases they report. How the virus on its own is responsible for only 6% of the total number the talking heads breathlessly report on a daily basis. They squash the stories where cities and states are caught reporting heart attacks deaths from blunt force trauma and motor vehicle accidents as "Covid" deaths. IMHO it's not just about driving viewership and ad revenue, that's certainly some of it on the local level. It's been political and about control from the get go. We're seeing elected officials exercise power they aren't authorized by statute or state constitution to wield...and dare anyone to stop them. And the really tragic part and the thing that should frighten any freedom loving individual is how so many people just complied without even a whimper.
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https://headlineswithavoice.com/2020/11/24/new-mexico-governor-closes-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks/
"A dozen" or so stores. I gotta twenty-five cent piece that says they're all Mom & Pop stores.
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"A dozen" or so stores. I gotta twenty-five cent piece that says they're all Mom & Pop stores.
HIGHLY sensationalized headline:
New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks
Fact:
A dozen grocery stores around the state have been forced to close for two weeks because of a public health order issued by Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks)
**nononono* **nononono* **nononono*
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"A dozen" or so stores. I gotta twenty-five cent piece that says they're all Mom & Pop stores.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks)
New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks
A dozen grocery stores around the state have been forced to close for two weeks because of a public health order issued by Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham at a time when the state’s residents are suffering from record high unemployment and food insecurity, critics say.
The order requires businesses with four or more rapid responses of COVID-19 cases reported within in a 14-day period to close for two weeks.
More than 25 essential businesses were shut down as of Monday afternoon, including a number of grocery stores and major retailers.
The closures include two Walmarts in Albuquerque and one in Santa Fe, an Albertson’s in Roswell, a Smiths Food & Drug Center in Albuquerque and New Mexico Food Distribution Center in Albuquerque.
The article links to a government of NM webpage in which one can find, among others on "watch" status, the stores that are closed. The two times I tried to view the page it tied Chrome in knots, so I can't recommend clicking that link.
Since the terms for being shut down are 4 "positives" within a 2 week time period, regardless of the number of employees, I would think businesses with lots of employees are at greater risk of being shut down. More employees means more chances of 4 getting the virus. That said, a small-medium business that does get shut down will probably be harder hit economically than would Walmart or Albertson's.
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11-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.563 ↑ | 1.393 - |
| United States | 28.629 ↑ | 1.693 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, OH, TX, IL, & KS.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +408.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,610,348.
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11-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.586 ↑ | 1.391 ↓ |
| United States | 28.720 ↑ | 1.696 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, IL, OH, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +459.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,663,547.
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Head of WHO Suggests COVID Restrictions Will Continue Even After Vaccine
"Since the beginning of the #COVID19 pandemic, we knew that a vaccine would be essential for bringing the pandemic under control. But it’s important to emphasise that a vaccine will complement the other tools we have, not replace them."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/head-who-suggests-covid-restrictions-will-continue-even-after-vaccine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/head-who-suggests-covid-restrictions-will-continue-even-after-vaccine)
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Head of WHO Suggests COVID Restrictions Will Continue Even After Vaccine
This long ago ceased having any relationship with science.
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I heard on the radio today that there was a study done on the effectiveness of wearing a mask.
People who did not wear mask regularly had a 2% infection rate.
People who did wear mask regularly had a 1.8% infection rate.
Not a lot of difference there.
The only caveat that comes to mind is that people who wear mask frequently, are probably in more high traffic areas than those that don't, thereby increasing their risk to exposure anyway.
Still, if mask worked.............
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I heard on the radio today that there was a study done on the effectiveness of wearing a mask.
People who did not wear mask regularly had a 2% infection rate.
People who did wear mask regularly had a 1.8% infection rate.
Not a lot of difference there.
The only caveat that comes to mind is that people who wear mask frequently, are probably in more high traffic areas than those that don't, thereby increasing their risk to exposure anyway.
Still, if mask worked.............
A mask will protect you from a virus like a chain link fence keeps mosquitos out of your yard!
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A mask will protect you from a virus like a chain link fence keeps mosquitos out of your yard!
One of the silliest arguments the "people who love Science the same way OJ loved Nichole Brown" make is, "Masks are not intended to catch the tiny 4nm viruses, they are meant to catch the much larger droplets of spittle the virus hitchhikes on!"
Sounds reasonable until one realizes the water evaporates within minutes of exhalation, and that allows the virus to just blow on through in higher concentrations, along with tiny particles of infected mucous.
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One of the silliest arguments the "people who love Science the same way OJ loved Nichole Brown" make is, "Masks are not intended to catch the tiny 4nm viruses, they are meant to catch the much larger droplets of spittle the virus hitchhikes on!"
Sounds reasonable until one realizes the water evaporates within minutes of exhalation, and that allows the virus to just blow on through in higher concentrations, along with tiny particles of infected mucous.
And that is just the beginning of the fallacies! But we could spend all week on that subject!
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So is Soros. That doesn't appear to stop anything.
@Smokin Joe
You can bet your ass that both of them have Israeli passports to use if they ever need refuge,though.
Yet,either would throw Israel under the bus as quickly as they would a Muslim country if they thought there was any advantage to them to be gained from doing so.
Which pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their alleged "character".
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@Smokin Joe
You can bet your ass that both of them have Israeli passports to use if they ever need refuge,though.
Yet,either would throw Israel under the bus as quickly as they would a Muslim country if they thought there was any advantage to them to be gained from doing so.
Which pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their alleged "character".
Soros already said that loud and clear selling out other Jews for favors from the Nazis. Pity they didn't shoot him.
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Remember Gates, et.al. seem to believe in the Georgia Guidestones.
According to the Georgia Guidestones, 13 of every 14 people on the planet have to go.
Interesting.
I always thought if SHTF happened, I'd do well to take three with me.
Now, if the shooting starts, I have a new number to try for...
@Smokin Joe
That won't be a problem. Look for people either wearing black,or rapidly trying to change out of black clothing.
It's going to be a target-rich environment for the first day or two. Going to get harder to spot them after that,though. You might have to go to wealthy neighborhoods and look in "mama's basements".
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Let me be of assistance...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)
@Smokin Joe
I had never heard of them,either.
Thanks!
BTW,the following quote pretty much tells you everything you need to know about them.
Yoko Ono said the inscribed messages are "a stirring call to rational thinking"
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I'll bet they're having a record breaking ho-down in Beijing this month.
@skeeter
Let's keep our new VP out of this,ok?
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@skeeter
Let's keep our new VP out of this,ok?
Yes, with all my strength.
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Yeah, the propaganda hype intensifies in proximity to the event.
@txradioguy @Smokin Joe
You think this is something,just wait until Christmas!
Not to worry,though. Shortly after Christmans,Slow Joe or another Dim is going to be sworn in as our new President,and the "Demoncratic Savior of our Nation!",and shortly after that Covid-19 will disappear,never to be heard of again until the 2024 election season starts,when we will be reminded that it was the Dims that "saved you all from dying from this horrible disease that Trump and the Republicans let run rampant!"
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"A dozen" or so stores. I gotta twenty-five cent piece that says they're all Mom & Pop stores.
@Cyber Liberty
You can bet your ass that NONE of them will be chain stores.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks)
New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks
The article links to a government of NM webpage in which one can find, among others on "watch" status, the stores that are closed. The two times I tried to view the page it tied Chrome in knots, so I can't recommend clicking that link.
Since the terms for being shut down are 4 "positives" within a 2 week time period, regardless of the number of employees, I would think businesses with lots of employees are at greater risk of being shut down. More employees means more chances of 4 getting the virus. That said, a small-medium business that does get shut down will probably be harder hit economically than would Walmart or Albertson's.
@PeteS in CA
Corporate chain stores benefit from this because it helps drive the mom and pop stores out of business,who unlike the chain stores,don't make enough profits to write it off their taxes.
Plus,the corporate stores automatically have an advantage because of all the money the corporate stores that AREN'T shut down bring into the tills every day.
A shut-down for a corporate store is an entirely different animal than a shut down for a mom and pop store.
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@Cyber Liberty
You can bet your ass that NONE of them will be chain stores.
Actually, the bigger the store, the more likely it was to have the requisite number of COVID positives to be shut down. Whether the chains can shift perishable stock to other stores is a question, but otherwise, a lot of food is going to get wasted.
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I posted this yesterday in response to Cyber:
@Cyber Liberty
You can bet your ass that NONE of them will be chain stores.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks)
New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks
A dozen grocery stores around the state have been forced to close for two weeks because of a public health order issued by Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham at a time when the state’s residents are suffering from record high unemployment and food insecurity, critics say.
The order requires businesses with four or more rapid responses of COVID-19 cases reported within in a 14-day period to close for two weeks.
More than 25 essential businesses were shut down as of Monday afternoon, including a number of grocery stores and major retailers.
The closures include two Walmarts in Albuquerque and one in Santa Fe, an Albertson’s in Roswell, a Smiths Food & Drug Center in Albuquerque and New Mexico Food Distribution Center in Albuquerque.
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@Cyber Liberty
You can bet your ass that NONE of them will be chain stores.
@sneakypete
"My ass?" I have too much dignity to play for such small stakes... rrthree
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I posted this yesterday in response to Cyber:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks)
New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks
So is the New Mexico food distribution center like a food bank for the needy?
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I posted this yesterday in response to Cyber:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks)
New Mexico governor shuts down grocery stores for two weeks
Finally, a story that actually names the stores being closed! Shocking it's in the Washington Examiner, most well known for leaving details out of their stories.
Thanks, @PeteS in CA!
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Soros already said that loud and clear selling out other Jews for favors from the Nazis. Pity they didn't shoot him.
@Smokin Joe
The FACT that he wasn't even arrested or questioned after the war,AND that this teenage orphan who had lived in landlocked countries all his life suddenly not only had an intense interest in buying surplus cargo ships from nations no longer at war,but had the CONTACTS AND THE MONEY TO DO SO.
Not only that,but he also had the knowledge to know what to buy,how much to bid or it,and how to set up an international shipping corporation including how to set up branch offices all over the world and who contact to make bids.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe setting up and successfully running an international shipping business that means signing legal contracts with foreign nations and foreign nationals who all have different laws is as simple as falling off a log,and ANY teen that didn't even graduate from high school can easily do this?
Somehow I don't think so,yet AFAIK,NOBODY has EVER questioned where the money or legal advise came from,and who his silent partners were.
Gee,I wonder why?
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So is the New Mexico food distribution center like a food bank for the needy?
Sounds like a hub for distributing to small, local grocers. We have one called "DOT" next to the airport Trump visited a week or so before the Election. So...while the Mom and Pops are allowed to remain in business, they won't have any stock.
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@Smokin Joe
The FACT that he wasn't even arrested or questioned after the war,AND that this teenage orphan who had lived in landlocked countries all his life suddenly not only had an intense interest in buying surplus cargo ships from nations no longer at war,but had the CONTACTS AND THE MONEY TO DO SO.
Not only that,but he also had the knowledge to know what to buy,how much to bid or it,and how to set up an international shipping corporation including how to set up branch offices all over the world and who contact to make bids.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe setting up and successfully running an international shipping business that means signing legal contracts with foreign nations and foreign nationals who all have different laws is as simple as falling off a log,and ANY teen that didn't even graduate from high school can easily do this?
Somehow I don't think so,yet AFAIK,NOBODY has EVER questioned where the money or legal advise came from,and who his silent partners were.
Gee,I wonder why?
Were the first runs to Argentina? Maybe he knows where the Amber Room went...
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From https://www.env.nm.gov/rapid-response-data/, (https://www.env.nm.gov/rapid-response-data/,) these stores/businesses/government offices would also be closed under the terms of the shutdown order (four people "positive" within a two week time period):
ALBERTSONS 2551 E LOHMAN AVE LAS CRUCES DONA ANA
ALBERTSONS MARKET 202 WEST CHURCH STREET CARLSBAD EDDY
BERNALILLO COUNTY METROPOLITAN COURT 401 LOMAS BLVD NE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO
BNSF RAILWAY 106 NORTH 1ST ST BELEN VALENCIA
CARTESIAN SURVEYS 1005 21ST ST SE # A RIO RANCHO SANDOVAL
CITY OF HOBBS 200 E BROADWAY ST HOBBS LEA
CORE-MARK INTERNATIONAL INC 123 MONTANO RD. NW, STE. A ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO
DESERT PREMIUM GROUP, LLC 1700 DESERT SURF CIR NE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO
FWIW, Core-Mark is a ~$10B company, with some 8000 employees in North America. BNSF Railway Company is the merged Burlington Northern and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe, with 42000 employees, not a Mom & Pop sightseeing train.
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From https://www.env.nm.gov/rapid-response-data/, (https://www.env.nm.gov/rapid-response-data/,) these stores/businesses/government offices would also be closed under the terms of the shutdown order (four people "positive" within a two week time period):
BTW, Core-Mark is a ~$10B company, with some 8000 employees in North America.
Shut down the railroad?
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Actually, the bigger the store, the more likely it was to have the requisite number of COVID positives to be shut down. Whether the chains can shift perishable stock to other stores is a question, but otherwise, a lot of food is going to get wasted.
@Smokin Joe
All true,but even the truth can be misleading. In the case of mom and pop stores,it can be catastrophic and lead to bankruptcy.
In a chain store,this is more of a vacation,a tax write-off for one quarter,and then not having a competitor in that market when they re-open.
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Shut down the railroad?
BNSF Railway Company has 42K employees, so what was shut down was probably a freight handling or maintenance facility.
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@Smokin Joe
All true,but even the truth can be misleading. In the case of mom and pop stores,it can be catastrophic and lead to bankruptcy.
In a chain store,this is more of a vacation,a tax write-off for one quarter,and then not having a competitor in that market when they re-open.
No argument that the smaller businesses are hit harder, and the communities they serve as well. Suddenly, instead of walking down to the corner market, people who might not even have transport have to go much further.
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From https://www.env.nm.gov/rapid-response-data/, (https://www.env.nm.gov/rapid-response-data/,) these stores/businesses/government offices would also be closed under the terms of the shutdown order (four people "positive" within a two week time period):
FWIW, Core-Mark is a ~$10B company, with some 8000 employees in North America. BNSF Railway Company is the merged Burlington Northern and the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe, with 42000 employees, not a Mom & Pop sightseeing train.
Sounds like the BNSF closure is only one depot. Again, the people most affected by supply chains disruption are the Mom and Pops, in addition to the Bigs.
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So is the New Mexico food distribution center like a food bank for the needy?
I tried both DDG and Google, but the "name" is too generic for me to pick among the possibilities. It could be a wholesale distributor's distribution center, and it could be what you suggest, a distribution center for a food bank like Second Harvest. Those seemed the most likely possibilities.
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@txradioguy @Smokin Joe
You think this is something,just wait until Christmas!
Not to worry,though. Shortly after Christmans,Slow Joe or another Dim is going to be sworn in as our new President,and the "Demoncratic Savior of our Nation!",and shortly after that Covid-19 will disappear,never to be heard of again until the 2024 election season starts,when we will be reminded that it was the Dims that "saved you all from dying from this horrible disease that Trump and the Republicans let run rampant!"
Yes because of the amount of people that pushed back against the restrictions for Thanksgiving...the masterminds will try and come down harder for Christmas.
You notice how the restrictions end just before Christmas? That wasn't by accident.
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There is a covid caused shortage of propane and propane accessories.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/propane-supplies-fly-shelves-covid-drives-outdoor-dining#comment_stream (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/propane-supplies-fly-shelves-covid-drives-outdoor-dining#comment_stream)
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Yes because of the amount of people that pushed back against the restrictions for Thanksgiving...the masterminds will try and come down harder for Christmas.
You notice how the restrictions end just before Christmas? That wasn't by accident.
They're lying if they said the restrictions will be off by Christmas. Where have we heard this lie before? :pondering:
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They're lying if they said the restrictions will be off by Christmas. Where have we heard this lie before? :pondering:
Pick a year...we've heard different versions of the same lie.
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There is a covid caused shortage of propane and propane accessories.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/propane-supplies-fly-shelves-covid-drives-outdoor-dining#comment_stream (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/propane-supplies-fly-shelves-covid-drives-outdoor-dining#comment_stream)
There will soon be a COVID shortage of everything. When I saw a stock person putting rolls of toilet paper and paper towels on a pallet and hauling them to the stock room, that indicated to me that the shelves were bare for a reason and it sure as heck wasn't because there weren't any supplies.
IMHO Prices are going to continue to go up along with property taxes, federal taxes, taxes on goods, taxes on energy, etc. We will be taxed till we can't afford anything. Sound familiar? The British are coming!!
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/so-far-coronavirus-mutations-don-t-mean-much-big-study-finds/ar-BB1bmFoh?ocid=msedgntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/so-far-coronavirus-mutations-don-t-mean-much-big-study-finds/ar-BB1bmFoh?ocid=msedgntp)
So far, coronavirus mutations don't mean much, big study finds
A giant study of more than 12,000 mutations in the novel coronavirus finds none of them has made a big difference in how easily it infects people, researchers reported Wednesday.A giant study of more than 12,000 mutations in the novel coronavirus finds none of them has made a big difference in how easily it infects people, researchers reported Wednesday.
All viruses mutate, and RNA viruses, a group that includes coronaviruses, mutate more than others.
They can change because of simple copying errors when the virus replicates. Coronaviruses do this less often than other RNA viruses because they have a built-in proofreader.
(excerpt)
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11-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.602 ↑ | 1.392 ↑ |
| United States | 29.096 ↑ | 1.683 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, IL, OH, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +451.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,635,335.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 29.
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11-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.634 ↑ | 1.392 - |
| United States | 29.110 ↑ | 1.688 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in IL, CA, PA, NY, & IN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +211.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,757,509.
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WOW, so what's happening with influenza after 4/2020?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En0IVQEUcAAlPeh?format=jpg&name=large)
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It's going to be interesting .... flu season is here --- how many flu deaths will be declared as COVID deaths?
CDC predicts U.S. coronavirus death toll could reach 321,000 by mid-December
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is predicting the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus could hit 321,000 by mid-December. By then, hospitals could be overflowing with patients in many parts of the country — and some are already preparing.
A COVID-19 triage area has been set up in the lobby of Chicago’s Rush University Medical Center to make room for an expected post-Thanksgiving surge. After Halloween, the hospital saw an uptick in cases.
Dr. Meeta Shah works in the emergency room. “There is a kind of overwhelming sense of apprehension as to what’s going to come in the next 10 days,†she said.
In California, health officials expect shortages in nurse-staffed intensive care unit beds in the next two weeks. The state has hit a record for daily coronavirus cases: More than 18,000 COVID-19 infections were reported Wednesday.
Overnight, the U.S. Supreme Court – now with Justice Amy Coney Barrett – blocked New York’s strict congregation restrictions on houses of worship, which the court said were being treated more harshly than stores and gyms............
https://www.winknews.com/2020/11/28/cdc-predicts-u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-could-reach-321000-by-mid-december/ (https://www.winknews.com/2020/11/28/cdc-predicts-u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-could-reach-321000-by-mid-december/)
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https://www.aier.org/article/the-strangely-unscientific-masking-of-america/ (https://www.aier.org/article/the-strangely-unscientific-masking-of-america/)
I remember vividly the day, at the tail end of March, when facemasks suddenly became synonymous with morality: either one cared about the lives of others and donned a mask, or one was selfish and refused to do so. The shift occurred virtually overnight.
Only a day or two before, I had associated this attire solely with surgeons and people living in heavily polluted regions. Now, my friends’ favorite pastime during our weekly Zoom sessions was excoriating people for running or socializing without masks in Prospect Park. I was mystified by their certitude that bits of cloth were the only thing standing between us and mass death, particularly when mere weeks prior, the message from medical experts contradicted this new doctrine.
On February 29, the U.S. surgeon general infamously tweeted: “Seriously people – STOP BUYING MASKS. . . They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus.†Anthony Fauci, the best-known member of the coronavirus task force, advised Americans not to wear masks around this time. Similarly, in the earliest weeks of the pandemic, the CDC maintained that masks should be worn only by individuals who were symptomatic or caring for a sick person, a position that the WHO stood by even longer.
As rapidly as mask use became a matter of ethics, the issue transformed into a political one, exemplified by an article printed on March 27 in the New York Times, entitled “More Americans Should Probably Wear Masks for Protection.†...
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https://www.aier.org/article/the-strangely-unscientific-masking-of-america/ (https://www.aier.org/article/the-strangely-unscientific-masking-of-america/)
Politics and politicians are all about manipulating people, often beyond what common sense and the constitution would allow. It’s what they do.
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11-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.641 ↑ | 1.393 ↑ |
| United States | 29.315 ↑ | 1.695 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, MI, OH, PA, & NY.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +53.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,852,110.
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11-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.693 ↑ | 1.394 ↑ |
| United States | 29.536 ↑ | 1.693 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, MI, IL, OH, & PA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -10.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,912,546.
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Covid is a cold/flu virus. We ALWATS have virus's, this is not different, although we were led to believe it was much worse with videos from CHINA. People laying around, in their own blood, they were retching up. LIARS.
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Covid is a cold/flu virus. We ALWATS have virus's, this is not different, although we were led to believe it was much worse with videos from CHINA. People laying around, in their own blood, they were retching up. LIARS.
:yowsa:
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Check out who is counting the cases...
https://www.dominiondiagnostics.com/covid-19-total-antibody-serology-testing (https://www.dominiondiagnostics.com/covid-19-total-antibody-serology-testing)
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Check out who is counting the cases...
https://www.dominiondiagnostics.com/covid-19-total-antibody-serology-testing (https://www.dominiondiagnostics.com/covid-19-total-antibody-serology-testing)
The picture is becoming clearer by the hour!
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Check out who is counting the cases...
https://www.dominiondiagnostics.com/covid-19-total-antibody-serology-testing (https://www.dominiondiagnostics.com/covid-19-total-antibody-serology-testing)
Is that even the same company? There are a lot of "Dominion" companies out there, not just the vote-stealing one.
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Covid is a cold/flu virus. ...
No, Covid, a coronavirus, is not an influenza virus.
Influenza virus classification:
Realm: Riboviria
Kingdom: Orthornavirae
Phylum: Negarnaviricota
Class: Insthoviricetes
Order: Articulavirales
Family: Orthomyxoviridae
Coronavirus classification:
Realm: Riboviria
Kingdom: Orthornavirae
Phylum: Pisuviricota
Class: Pisoniviricetes
Order: Nidovirales
Family: Coronaviridae
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:yowsa:
I'll make sure and tell that to my friend who came VERY close to dying last week of COVID.
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Kingdom: Orthornavirae
Phylum: Pisuviricota
Class: Pisoniviricetes
Order: Nidovirales
Family: Coronaviridae
King Phillip Came Over From Green Spain
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I'll make sure and tell that to my friend who came VERY close to dying last week of COVID.
Kinda like my boy and his wife and my five grandkids. My only granddaughter had a real hard row.
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I'll make sure and tell that to my friend who came VERY close to dying last week of COVID.
@mrpotatohead
You mean people don't die from the flu?
Good to know!
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I know MGMT and @sneakypete disapprove of Religious contestations but I found this appropriate for this Thread.
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/286f3bbdf7bd0a2e80fbe5dd980bb120da46fd4cc851cbf6ddcde9e7202c6b6b.jpg)
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I know MGMT and @sneakypete disapprove of Religious contestations but I found this appropriate for this Thread.
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/286f3bbdf7bd0a2e80fbe5dd980bb120da46fd4cc851cbf6ddcde9e7202c6b6b.jpg)
:amen:
But first, scales must fall from eyes. :shrug:
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11-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.769 ↑ | 1.393 ↓ |
| United States | 29.687 ↑ | 1.697 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, MN, OH, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -57.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 2,995,570.
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12-01-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.852 ↑ | 1.390 ↓ |
| United States | 29.976 ↑ | 1.693 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, TN, NY, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -56.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,039,601.
Today is a landmark day. The US recoveries-to-deaths ratio has surpassed the global ratio. This indicates that the US is doing a better job of surviving this with its non-government-run healthcare system than is the rest of the world.
On the flip side, our 14-day recovery deficit has surpassed 3 million, meaning that there are 3 million living Americans who have survived this illness beyond two weeks of diagnosis, but are still listed as 'actively infected' instead of 'recovered'. It is a great way to push a political agenda and scare people, but it does a tremendous disservice towards providing accurate numbers. If these 3 million survivors were included as 'recovered', our recovery-to-death ratio would be 32.4.
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CDC revises quarantine guidance, notes that average time from infection to symptoms has fallen to 4 to 5 days, now recommends only a 10-day quarantine with test-out option day 7.
https://www.radio.com/wben/news/politics/cdc-to-shorten-covid-19-quarantine-to-10-days-7-with-test (https://www.radio.com/wben/news/politics/cdc-to-shorten-covid-19-quarantine-to-10-days-7-with-test)
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12-02-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.913 ↑ | 1.388 ↓ |
| United States | 30.082 ↑ | 1.693 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, IL, OH, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -64.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,089,316.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 30.
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12-03-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 29.973 ↑ | 1.386 ↓ |
| United States | 30.237 ↑ | 1.691 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, FL, IL, & NY.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -65.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,134,463.
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An article worth considering.
Renowned Virologist Sucharit Bhakdi warns against the Hastily Created Gene-Altering Coronavirus Vaccine
https://rairfoundation.com/warning-renowned-virologist-sucharit-bhakdi-warns-against-hastily-created-gene-altering-coronavirus-vaccine-video/
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An article worth considering.
Renowned Virologist Sucharit Bhakdi warns against the Hastily Created Gene-Altering Coronavirus Vaccine
https://rairfoundation.com/warning-renowned-virologist-sucharit-bhakdi-warns-against-hastily-created-gene-altering-coronavirus-vaccine-video/
I've seen a quote from the article and it's BS. My response to it on another discussion forum:
1. Sucharit Bhakdi is a microbiologist specializing in bacteriology and atherosclerosis. He is not a virologist and is speaking outside of his professional specialty. Bacteria and viruses are not at all similar. If from Bhakdi that misrepresentation evidences deceptive intent; if from the RAIR Foundation it's probably the ignorance of the writer.
2. If he is speaking of mRNA vaccines Bhakdi shows his lack of awareness of what is being done by speaking of "vaccine", singular. Both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines, which are likely to be approved very soon, use mRNA. So he doesn't know enough about what he is attacking. The AstraZeneca vaccine, of which he seems unaware, does not use mRNA. It uses an adeno virus that is harmless to humans and has been altered so that it cannot replicate. This vaccine is also very close to approval.
Whether a regular virus, a weakened virus vaccine (e.g. the polio vaccine(s)), an adeno virus vaccine, or an mRNA vaccine, all enter cells and reprogram the cells to produce something different. Viruses, whether the wild virus or a weakened virus, reproduce, invade more cells (aka infection), and in the right circumstances can also infect other people (as happened recently with a polio vaccine in Africa). The weakened viruses also occasionally mutate into something more damaging. Adeno virus vaccines and mRNA vaccines do not reproduce themselves, so the recipient is not infected with anything, and only the few cells entered are reprogrammed. They do not, however, reproduce. The recipient's entire DNA is not reprogrammed, contrary to some wild claims. Adeno virus vaccines and mRNA vaccines are safer in this respect than traditional weakened virus vaccines.
"Hastily developed" ... are loaded words that incorporate the writer's conclusion. That is a fallacy called "Begging the Question", building your conclusion into your premise. Have SARS-CoV-2 vaccines been developed quickly? Obviously. But hastily? Adeno-associated viruses (the more accurate term) have been used in gene therapies and vaccines for years, and mRNA technology has also been under development for many years. Both technologies allow quicker development of vaccines than the more traditional weakened virus technology. The loaded word for what Bhakdi seems to be exhibiting is "Luddism".
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I've seen a quote from the article and it's BS.
Thanks for giving another side..
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Pfizer CEO "Not Certain" Vaccine Will Stop People From Spreading COVID-19
Masks forever?
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pfizer-ceo-not-certain-vaccine-will-stop-people-spreading-covid-19 (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pfizer-ceo-not-certain-vaccine-will-stop-people-spreading-covid-19)
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Pfizer CEO "Not Certain" Vaccine Will Stop People From Spreading COVID-19
Masks forever?
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pfizer-ceo-not-certain-vaccine-will-stop-people-spreading-covid-19 (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pfizer-ceo-not-certain-vaccine-will-stop-people-spreading-covid-19)
We're all Moslem women now.
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We're all Moslem women now.
Rock the Casbah.....
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We're all Moslem women now.
moslem women are hot. Wear black in the desert heat...
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moslem women are hot. Wear black in the desert heat...
As long as you shave their backs.
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Apropos of nothing but a fat moslem woman shows wealth. They are highly desired...
moslem women are third. Camel or water buffalo, donkey. Wife is the third beast of burden. Can't contribute anything unless it is sons. Daughters ate zot. Useless.
I hate that shit.
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Rock the Casbah.....
Sharia don't like it.
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Corona, islam. Mind control.
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As long as you shave their backs.
Actually. I've seen very many moslem women arabs that are gorgeous. islam kills them. I don't want them gone. I want islam dead.
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Actually. I've seen very many moslem women arabs that are gorgeous. islam kills them. I don't want them gone. I want islam dead.
It's difficult to find a woman beautiful when her face has been melted with battery acid. Just me, I guess.
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Like I said. I am still sick. Upper resp now. It has to be covid. G-d forgive it is the fu of pneumonia I get every year. It doesn't 'taste' like pneumonia. It tastes like the flu. I'll just call it covid.
In another vein there is talk of mandated vaxs. My wife's boss said she won't comply, and any employee has no risk to their job for the same.
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As long as you shave their backs.
I've known some truly stunning muslim women in my time in the ME...granted they all had made it to the U.S. before they were ruined...but they were beautiful. And all had come back overseas to be interpreters.
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Apropos of nothing but a fat moslem woman shows wealth. They are highly desired...
moslem women are third. Camel or water buffalo, donkey. Wife is the third beast of burden. Can't contribute anything unless it is sons. Daughters ate zot. Useless.
I hate that shit.
@bigheadfred
If there is anything that highlights the backwards stupidity of Islam,it is that homo hatred of females.
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It's difficult to find a woman beautiful when her face has been melted with battery acid. Just me, I guess.
islam kills your soul
None of the pain else this world can inflict is bearable. Or meaningless.
In my world, life ain't that kind. But when it comes to my wife. The ashoe I work for divorced his wife when she came down with MS. Doesn't have time for that. He has six kids from 2 weddings. And g kids older than his youngest son. He spent T-day alone.
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This agitprop story is all I need to know that all these restrictions (and the media conspiracy to promote them) are deliberately intended to make us more antisocial.
https://www.radio.com/wben/news/8-members-of-nurses-family-contracts-covid (https://www.radio.com/wben/news/8-members-of-nurses-family-contracts-covid)
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Dr. David Samadi, MD
@drdavidsamadi
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10h
People: “We’re having a light flu season because people are wearing masks and social distancing.â€
Me: “Then why are there so many new COVID-19 cases?â€
People: “Because not everyone is wearing masks & social distancing.â€
Me: *Nods and says a silent prayer for the country*
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12-04-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.011 ↑ | 1.386 - |
| United States | 30.271 ↑ | 1.698 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, PA, IL, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +293.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,160,009.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 30.
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12-05-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.044 ↑ | 1.387 ↑ |
| United States | 30.324 ↑ | 1.703 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, PA, NY, & IL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +547.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,332,351.
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12-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.100 ↑ | 1.386 ↓ |
| United States | 30.536 ↑ | 1.705 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +731.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,373,613.
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'For The First Time, A US State Will Require Disclosure Of PCR 'Cycle Threshold' Data In COVID Tests'
(Good article)
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/first-time-us-state-will-require-disclosure-pcr-test-cycle-data (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/first-time-us-state-will-require-disclosure-pcr-test-cycle-data)
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12-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.160 ↑ | 1.385 ↓ |
| United States | 30.652 ↑ | 1.712 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NY, & PA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +774.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,444,589.
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@Hoodat What just happened?
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Katie Daviscourt
@KatieDaviscourt
UNHINGED: Teacher from Oregon has a complete mental breakdown over COVID and yells at families that are rallying to ReOpen their businesses.
Video: https://twitter.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1335803649734262784
11:29 PM · Dec 6, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Katie Daviscourt
@KatieDaviscourt
UNHINGED: Teacher from Oregon has a complete mental breakdown over COVID and yells at families that are rallying to ReOpen their businesses.
Video: https://twitter.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1335803649734262784
11:29 PM · Dec 6, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
(https://media.thedonald.win/post/52set9lJ.jpeg)
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@Hoodat What just happened?
What do you mean? @Cyber Liberty
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What do you mean? @Cyber Liberty
The 7-day moving average went from a negative green to a red +750 deaths overnight.
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The 7-day moving average went from a negative green to a red +750 deaths overnight.
Dec 1-4 marked four consecutive days with especially heavy death totals which is what caused the sudden jump in averages. Here is a list of 7-day averages for the past 3 weeks:
| 11/10-16 | 1171 |
| 11/11-17 | 1197 |
| 11/12-18 | 1267 |
| 11/13-19 | 1392 |
| 11/14-20 | 1476 |
| 11/15-21 | 1505 |
| 11/16-22 | 1541 |
| 11/17-23 | 1579 |
| 11/18-24 | 1656 |
| 11/19-25 | 1718 |
| 11/20-26 | 1603 |
| 11/21-27 | 1530 |
| 11/22-28 | 1495 |
| 11/23-29 | 1485 |
| 11/24-30 | 1523 |
| 11/25-12/1 | 1592 |
| 11/26-12/2 | 1653 |
| 11/27-12/3 | 1897 |
| 11/28-12/4 | 2077 |
| 11/29-12/5 | 2225 |
| 11/30-12/6 | 2259 |
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(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/130807864_10158489617675932_2667848596762224673_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&cb=846ca55b-311e05c7&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=O2vfO1YI014AX-2AvP6&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=6&oh=fe2213a57947cf84fb1febe0a0d51036&oe=5FF51DB2)
I saw this on Facebook; not sure of the source.
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I saw this on Facebook; not sure of the source.
I don't trust the source, but I am curious as well as to the extent "covid deaths" have merely crowded out other causes of death.
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Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
Trump got impeached for allegedly withholding Ukraine aid for political reasons. Nancy Pelosi withheld coronavirus aid from American citizens for political reasons. She is a garbage human. Despicable.
5:28 PM · Dec 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1336437544959922176
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Uh-oh. Unforeseen cases of anyphylactic shock emerging as UK rolls out the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-uk-regulators-warn-people-with-history-of-significant-allergic-reactions-not-to-have-pfizer-biontech-jab-12155916
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First man in UK to get COVID-19 vaccine is named William Shakespeare
It’s one for the books.
The first man to get the new coronavirus vaccine in the UK is named William Shakespeare — inspiring a veritable flurry of Bard-worthy puns.
The 81-year-old gained fame when he got his historic shot early Tuesday just after the first one went to a woman, Margaret Keenan, who turns 91 next week, on what the Brits have dubbed “V-Day.â€
The modern-day Shakespeare got his injection at University Hospital Coventry — just 20 miles from his famous namesake’s birthplace of Stratford-Upon-Avon.
Shakespeare’s instantly recognizable name quickly sparked a rush of puns on the Bard’s best-known works — including the suggestion that the vaccine marked “The Taming of the Flu.“
https://nypost.com/2020/12/08/william-shakespeare-first-uk-man-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine/
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First man in UK to get COVID-19 vaccine is named William Shakespeare
https://nypost.com/2020/12/08/william-shakespeare-first-uk-man-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine/
I really do like this. Not only for the puns alone.
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I don't trust the source, but I am curious as well as to the extent "covid deaths" have merely crowded out other causes of death.
(https://i.imgur.com/k2OMvOQ.png)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
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BOMBSHELL: Johns-Hopkins researcher says CDC data show COVID-19 has NO effect on percentage of death in older people and has NOT increased number of U.S. deaths (https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/12/05/bombshell-johns-hopkins-researcher-says-cdc-data-show-covid-19-has-no-effect-on-percentage-of-death-in-older-people-and-has-not-increased-number-of-u-s-deaths/)
When all is said and done, Americans — and the world — are going to discover that while the COVID-19 virus is real as was the pandemic, virtually nothing we’ve been told about the infection morbidity rates has been accurate.
Not even close; in fact, and this has been borne out by a new analysis of COVID-19 death and regular death rates in the United States using government data.
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It's good to see you back posting @thackney
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...CDC data show COVID-19 has ...has NOT increased number of U.S. deaths....
The actual data from the CDC shows that claim to be false.
See chart above from:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
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The actual data from the CDC shows that claim to be false.
See chart above from:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
I guess you need to contact Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Johns-Hopkins, and set her straight @thackney
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I guess you need to contact Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Johns-Hopkins, and set her straight @thackney
Fancy titles do not impress me as much as the actual numbers displayed in the chart above.
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Just another perspective, but here is how the Pharma-analyst at UBS see the rollout of the vaccine next year. They believe that 80% of the nation will get it by EOY 2021.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-faces-upside-risks-in-2021-morning-brief-105429670.html?.tsrc=fin-notif (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-faces-upside-risks-in-2021-morning-brief-105429670.html?.tsrc=fin-notif)
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/lK0C60U1pr.NqhvswqC1KA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTY1NS40ODM4NzA5Njc3NDI-/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-12/07b80ce0-38c4-11eb-9e7d-5777162bb26f)
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Physician Warns — Frail and elderly might die from vaccine…
https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_f57704265a0db9708053b6eb5320dd44
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Physician Warns — Frail and elderly might die from vaccine…
https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_f57704265a0db9708053b6eb5320dd44
And that (elderly) was priority 1 in the UK....
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Bill Gates - The Syringes Have Trackers
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GDXxxe5BlE20/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/GDXxxe5BlE20/)
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Physician Warns — Frail and elderly might die from vaccine…
https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_f57704265a0db9708053b6eb5320dd44
@rustynail
So what? They might also die from the excitement of watching "Dick Van Dyke Show" reruns.
Dying is what old people do second-best.
Whining is what they do best.
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@rustynail
So what? They might also die from the excitement of watching "Dick Van Dyke Show" reruns.
Yeah, the Walnut episode was pretty wild....
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12-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.223 ↑ | 1.384 ↓ |
| United States | 30.928 ↑ | 1.712 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +778.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,505,633.
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12-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.293 ↑ | 1.381 ↓ |
| United States | 30.973 ↑ | 1.716 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, OH, AZ, & PA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +749.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,573,476.
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12-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 30.361 ↑ | 1.379 ↓ |
| United States | 31.097 ↑ | 1.715 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, OH, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +752.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,617,504.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 31.
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Fatality rates by State: (total deaths / total cases)
| Alaska | 0.39% |
| Utah | 0.44% |
| Wyoming | 0.78% |
| Oklahoma | 0.87% |
| Nebraska | 0.89% |
| Wisconsin | 0.92% |
| Idaho | 0.94% |
| Kentucky | 1.01% |
| Kansas | 1.06% |
| Montana | 1.09% |
| Minnesota | 1.14% |
| Iowa | 1.21% |
| Tennessee | 1.22% |
| North Dakota | 1.25% |
| Oregon | 1.25% |
| South Dakota | 1.30% |
| Colorado | 1.33% |
| Missouri | 1.35% |
| Nevada | 1.35% |
| North Carolina | 1.37% |
| Ohio | 1.38% |
| California | 1.40% |
| Hawaii | 1.41% |
| Alabama | 1.42% |
| West Virginia | 1.54% |
| Washington | 1.54% |
| Arkansas | 1.57% |
| Virginia | 1.60% |
| New Mexico | 1.61% |
| Vermont | 1.62% |
| Indiana | 1.63% |
| Texas | 1.70% |
| Maine | 1.70% |
| Illinois | 1.79% |
| Florida | 1.79% |
| Arizona | 1.85% |
| USA Total | 1.87% |
| Delaware | 1.89% |
| Georgia | 1.91% |
| South Carolina | 1.92% |
| New Hampshire | 2.06% |
| Rhode Island | 2.17% |
| Maryland | 2.22% |
| Mississippi | 2.36% |
| Michigan | 2.38% |
| Louisiana | 2.58% |
| Pennsylvania | 2.63% |
| District Of Columbia | 2.95% |
| Connecticut | 3.76% |
| Massachusetts | 4.14% |
| New Jersey | 4.50% |
| New York | 4.56% |
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Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
COVID was the necessary excuse to push for mail-in ballots.
It's the excuse for lockdowns that bankrupt the middle class.
It's the excuse for vaccines that help track & trace people.
Don't be fooled.
8:08 AM · Dec 10, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1337021495239905280
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Hmmm broadcasting to the world via a television story that UPS trucks will be delivering the Covid delivery kits in their big easy to recognize brown trucks...what could possibly go wrong? :pondering:
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Speaking of, has anyone here seen the movie I, Tonya? I quite enjoyed it.
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'A slap in the face': Yuma hospital fires ER doctor for talking about COVID-19 in Arizona
Jamie Landers, Arizona Republic 7 hrs ago
Dr. Cleavon Gilman, a well-known emergency-medicine physician, has been asked not to return to his work at Yuma Regional Medical Center for his social media posts about the severity of the COVID-19 pandemic in Arizona, according to him and his staffing agency.
a man wearing a hat: Dr. Cleavon Gilman works at Yuma Regional Medical Center and said he was told on Nov. 22 no hospital in the state was accepting transfer ICU patients. © Courtesy Dr. Cleavon Gilman Dr. Cleavon Gilman works at Yuma Regional Medical Center and said he was told on Nov. 22 no hospital in the state was accepting transfer ICU patients.
. . .
It started on Nov. 22 when Gilman tweeted "Just got to work and was notified there are no more ICU beds in the state of Arizona."
"What happened to the 175 beds??? We likely don’t have nursing to staff them," he added. The Arizona Department of Health Services at the time reported that 90% of ICU beds were in use.
The hospital he was working in Yuma removed 175 beds from the ICU, so they could claim "We're at our capacity! Any more patients and they're going to all DIE!!!" ***hair on fire
This is going on all over the state!
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'A slap in the face': Yuma hospital fires ER doctor for talking about COVID-19 in Arizona
The hospital he was working in Yuma removed 175 beds from the ICU, so they could claim "We're at our capacity! Any more patients and they're going to all DIE!!!" ***hair on fire
This is going on all over the state!
It's going on all over the country.
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It's going on all over the country.
Now that the data skewing of the cases and death numbers have run their course, it's time to skew new sets of numbers, now it's "Hospital Capacity." Want a higher percentage of ICU capacity? Reduce the number of hospital beds. 175 is a pretty significant number for that hospital.
I wonder where all the Striker Beds are piled up?
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Now that the data skewing of the cases and death numbers have run their course, it's time to skew new sets of numbers, now it's "Hospital Capacity." Want a higher percentage of ICU capacity? Reduce the number of hospital beds. 175 is a pretty significant number for that hospital.
I wonder where all the Striker Beds are piled up?
Basement storage...near the oxygen plant. Either that or they have just shut down the wings where those beds are at.
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The url for the Yuma story, https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/a-slap-in-the-face-yuma-hospital-fires-er-doctor-for-talking-about-covid-19-in-arizona/ar-BB1bPdkI (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/a-slap-in-the-face-yuma-hospital-fires-er-doctor-for-talking-about-covid-19-in-arizona/ar-BB1bPdkI) .
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The url for the Yuma story, https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/a-slap-in-the-face-yuma-hospital-fires-er-doctor-for-talking-about-covid-19-in-arizona/ar-BB1bPdkI (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/a-slap-in-the-face-yuma-hospital-fires-er-doctor-for-talking-about-covid-19-in-arizona/ar-BB1bPdkI) .
Ooopsy! Thanks!
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I don’t know if this has been posted, but it’s an interesting chart to figure out where you might be in line for the vaccine in your state and in the country.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR3ox9SuUbnOdOylY1GW5nTxN7SepsxcGUvvxhzW2l14NMMOzm1sKOSoTJ0 (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR3ox9SuUbnOdOylY1GW5nTxN7SepsxcGUvvxhzW2l14NMMOzm1sKOSoTJ0)
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I don’t know if this has been posted, but it’s an interesting chart to figure out where you might be in line for the vaccine in your state and in the country.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR3ox9SuUbnOdOylY1GW5nTxN7SepsxcGUvvxhzW2l14NMMOzm1sKOSoTJ0 (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR3ox9SuUbnOdOylY1GW5nTxN7SepsxcGUvvxhzW2l14NMMOzm1sKOSoTJ0)
That link takes me to a posting page. :shrug:
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That link takes me to a posting page. :shrug:
Fixed. Thanks, that’s what I get for having multiple windows open.
:blonde moment:
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Fixed. Thanks, that’s what I get for having multiple windows open.
:blonde moment:
It's the NYT, but interesting nevertheless. 333cleo 333cleo
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It's the NYT, but interesting nevertheless. 333cleo 333cleo
I never really cared for the Times' editorial stuff but their interactive content is among the best in the business.
As I suspected, I'll be one of the last to become eligible—which is nice because then I can sit back and watch the rollout to see any side effects develop before I make my decision. As of now, I'm open to it but that could change. But then again, herd immunity might be achieved before I even get to that point, so there's that.
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@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@libertybele
@Gefn
@corbe
@Jazzhead
To All
If you are older or have older family members or friends, please read this before insisting these older people take the vaccine. (Don't know if you have heard this other one: if you have food allergies or allergy to some meds, don't get it. This is for all age people.) Back to the elderly:
"Out of a panel of 14 CDC vaccine advisers, a lone doctor said no."
The doctor is Dr. Helen "Keipp" Talbot, of Vanderbilt University.
(I posted some of this article below.) Dr. Talbot voted no because there is no study of what happens when older people take it. Remember, nursing homes will be first to get it along with nursing staff.
"The vote to recommend long-term care residents be among the first to receive Covid-19 vaccinations was not unanimous. Out of a panel of 14 CDC vaccine advisers, a lone doctor said no."
"Odd woman out, I guess," Dr. Helen "Keipp" Talbot, of Vanderbilt University, told her colleagues. "I still struggle with this. This was not an easy vote."
"Talbot was worried about whether the vaccine would even work in such frail, vulnerable patients. Even more, she worried about how it might look if the vaccine failed in that group, or how it would affect public perception if residents died soon after getting the vaccine."
"I have spent my career studying vaccines in older adults. And we have traditionally tried a vaccine in a young healthy population and then hoped it works in our frail older adults," she told the committee ahead of her vote. "And so we enter this realm of 'we hope it works, and we hope it's safe,' and that concerns me on many levels."
Article also says: "On the other hand, these are the people worst hit by the pandemic. They make up 40% of all deaths so far."
https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_f57704265a0db9708053b6eb5320dd44
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It's the NYT, but interesting nevertheless. 333cleo 333cleo
@Cyber Liberty
I have a serious question (not kidding),
Why do you say "It's the NYT..."
I see that here a lot and don't get it. If a news story presents facts, why does it matter where it comes from? It seems to me when someone says that, it is a way to dismiss the information - an easy "cop-out", as in, "It's CNN, so they are lying and I don't even need to read it." Facts are facts no matter where they come from.
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@Cyber Liberty
I have a serious question (not kidding),
Why do you say "It's the NYT..."
I see that here a lot and don't get it. If a news story presents facts, why does it matter where it comes from? It seems to me when someone says that, it is a way to dismiss the information - an easy "cop-out", as in, "It's CNN, so they are lying and I don't even need to read it." Facts are facts no matter where they come from.
I know you still have me on ignore, but too often, the so-called "facts" aren't even facts, they're lies.
It's not that we don't read it, it's that we read right through it and can see the bologna.
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@Cyber Liberty
I have a serious question (not kidding),
Why do you say "It's the NYT..."
I see that here a lot and don't get it. If a news story presents facts, why does it matter where it comes from? It seems to me when someone says that, it is a way to dismiss the information - an easy "cop-out", as in, "It's CNN, so they are lying and I don't even need to read it." Facts are facts no matter where they come from.
As @jmyrlefuller said above:
I never really cared for the Times' editorial stuff but their interactive content is among the best in the business.
As I suspected, I'll be one of the last to become eligible—which is nice because then I can sit back and watch the rollout to see any side effects develop before I make my decision. As of now, I'm open to it but that could change. But then again, herd immunity might be achieved before I even get to that point, so there's that.
They make stuff up in their editorials (and I would add, in their "news" stories), but their infographics are still valuable. It's the difference between "tell me" and "show me." When "news organizations" like NYT and CNN develop a reputation for reporting false facts (or opinions stated as facts), then there's no point in reading new articles.
Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus
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@Victoria33, the Pfizer study protocol stated that the vaccine was to be tested with participants ranging from age 16 to age 85. From https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-publication-results-landmark (https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-publication-results-landmark) :
The median age was 52 years, and 42% were older than 55 years.
So I think that Doctor is misinformed. The press release includes a link to the study published by the NEJM.
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@Cyber Liberty
I have a serious question (not kidding),
Why do you say "It's the NYT..."
I see that here a lot and don't get it. If a news story presents facts, why does it matter where it comes from? It seems to me when someone says that, it is a way to dismiss the information - an easy "cop-out", as in, "It's CNN, so they are lying and I don't even need to read it." Facts are facts no matter where they come from.
A news story may be based in fact, but presented in a biased fashion. That's OK, it's to be expected. The trick is to read both sides.
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A news story may be based in fact, but presented in a biased fashion. That's OK, it's to be expected. The trick is to read both sides.
It's been said, the truth only has one side. Lies have many. The best approach, when a news organization has been repeatedly presenting a lie, then there is nothing to be gained from reading it.
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It's been said, the truth only has one side. Lies have many. The best approach, when a news organization has been repeatedly presenting a lie, then there is nothing to be gained from reading it.
Do we have a list of these sources that are not worth reading? Should we a identify the article's source in the title of topics so members won't waste their valuable time nor corrupt their minds viewing such garbage?
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Do we have a list of these sources that are not worth reading? Should we a identify the article's source in the title of topics so members won't waste their valuable time nor corrupt their minds viewing such garbage?
We already have that list. (It's somewhat out of date since the original author quit the site, though.)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,200208.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,200208.0.html)
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thebradfordfileâ„¢
@thebradfordfile
Kiss my ass.
Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
Wear a mask.
It's the easiest thing you can do to reduce COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
It's not a political statement — it's a patriotic act.
6:09 PM · Dec 12, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1337897360605782016
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David Reaboi
@davereaboi
These guys are the best. Heroes.
Video: https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1337785575701680128
10:45 AM · Dec 12, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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@Cyber Liberty
@Jazzhead
@mystery-ak
It is 8:46 am, central time. I just heard an interview with Bill Gates.
He has talked to Joe Biden and will be part of Biden's effort to eradicate Covid-19 in this country. I think Trump had a problem with Gates, did not accept his help (Gates has way more money than Trump so that is likely why Trump did not want him around).
I have heard Gates speak before during this pandemic and he is going to distribute the vaccine to poor countries free of charge. I have heard him say, more than once, he is building buildings in every country to give out free meds and vaccines.
Gates is not interested in making money, his foundation is for helping the poor. He has so many billions of dollars, he can pay for all this and never miss the money.
I'm not saying Gates is wonderful, I am just stating the facts of what he says and does. I do not know what is in his mind.
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@Victoria33
People are usually judged by their "works," and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a truly magnificent piece of work. :shrug:
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@Victoria33
People are usually judged by their "works," and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a truly magnificent piece of work. :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty
Had a senior moment and posted time as "pm"; fixed it, should have been "am".
Maybe I did that because I work up about 5 am, due to hail on the roof. Got up, looked out, it was small hail, pea sized, but lots of them. Lasted maybe 10 minutes. Been up since then.
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@Cyber Liberty
@Jazzhead
@mystery-ak
It is 8:46 pm, central time. I just heard an interview with Bill Gates.
He has talked to Joe Biden and will be part of Biden's effort to eradicate Covid-19 in this country. I think Trump had a problem with Gates, did not accept his help (Gates has way more money than Trump so that is likely why Trump did not want him around).
I have heard Gates speak before during this pandemic and he is going to distribute the vaccine to poor countries free of charge. I have heard him say, more than once, he is building buildings in every country to give out free meds and vaccines.
Gates is not interested in making money, his foundation is for helping the poor. He has so many trillions of dollars, he can pay for all this and never miss the money.
I'm not saying Gates is wonderful, I am just stating the facts of what he says and does. I do not know what is in his mind.
You realize that same faux altruistic nature welds him power in a manner that he thinks we "the American tax payers" needs to subsidize fixing 3rd world woes? I can say with 90% certainty that he and his wife is motivated by left wing politcs and wealth redistribution for all. Don't fall for the Saint Bill and Linda MSM bullshit.
Trillions of dollars? Gates wealth only briefly eclipsed $100B, and that was before the tech bubble burst in 1999.
https://www.forbes.com/2008/06/23/gates-net-worth-tech-gates08-cx_af_0623fortune_slide.html?sh=4b101f2a7dd4 (https://www.forbes.com/2008/06/23/gates-net-worth-tech-gates08-cx_af_0623fortune_slide.html?sh=4b101f2a7dd4)
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@catfish1957
Forbes says 85 billion in 1999. That is huge money. I changed trillion to billion. 2008 is 58 billion. Thanks.
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@catfish1957
Forbes says 85 billion in 1999. That is huge money.
But no where near the Trillions you were earlier mentioning. Point is, please don't make the Gates out to be the Good Guys. They aren't. They are very powerful, along with other Big Tech Oligarchs who are doing their best to push toward NWO objecives, and global socialsim.
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You realize that same faux altruistic nature welds him power in a manner that he thinks we "the American tax payers" needs to subsidize fixing 3rd world woes? I can say with 90% certainty that he and his wife is motivated by left wing politcs and wealth redistribution for all. Don't fall for the Saint Bill and Linda MSM bullshit.
@catfish1957
He is not using American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries. He pays for it himself. He got his money in past years from all countries. Don't be one of the people on the left who hate big companies because they make money.
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@catfish1957
He is not using American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries. He pays for it himself. He got his money in past years from all countries. Don't be one of the people on the left who hate big companies because they make money.
Huh, I am a serious investor, and put much time and effort in doing well in that area. Saying I hate companies because they make money is quite insulting. I am quite the opposite.
Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough. I never said he uses "tax payer" money for his foundation work. WHAT I AM SAYING... is that as a Tech Oligarch he and the others of his ilk significantly impacts legislation, via lobbying and strongarming. He is an activie particpant everything else that Big Tech does to take the country down the primrose path of socialsim.
He and the rest of his Techie Titans are some of the biggest enemies to conservatism. I hope you have not slept through what Tech has done to our republic in the past few years.
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Huh, I am a serious investor, and put much time and effort in doing well in that area. Saying I hate companies because they make money is quite insulting. I am quite the opposite.
Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough. I never said he uses "tax payer" money for his foundation work. WHAT I AM SAYING... is that as a Tech Oligarch he and the others of his ilk significantly impacts legislation, via lobbying and strongarming. He is an activie particpant everything else that Big Tech does to take the country down the primrose path of socialsim.
He and the rest of his Techie Titans are some of the biggest enemies to conservatism. I hope you have not slept through what Tech has done to our republic in the past few years.
That reminds me. I need to update the robot thread.
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@...
He is not using American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries. He pays for it himself. He got his money in past years from all countries. Don't be one of the people on the left who hate big companies because they make money.
@Victoria33, his and Melinda's attempts to guilt-trip arm-twist the US into distributing the hundreds of millions of vaccine doses US taxpayers paid for to countries other than the US would not be an attempt to "use American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries"? Please explain.
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Over 60% of business closures from lockdown are now permanent—over 97,000 businesses lost in the U.S. That “leaders†across the world transformed into tyrants, believing they had a right to bankrupt their subjects, is the core evil of lockdown.
Nearly half of black-owned small businesses have been wiped out.
Unemployment in the U.S. reached as high as 14.7% and highways have jammed with thousands of vehicles awaiting their turn at food banks.
Nearly 5% of the population of the U.K. went hungry during the first three weeks of lockdown.
A survey found that 22% of Canadians were experiencing high anxiety levels, a four-fold increase from before the lockdowns, while the number reporting symptoms of depression doubled to 13%.
More than 40 U.S. states have reported increases in opioid-related mortality.
Per CDC, despite mass PCR testing and disproportionate false positives, at least 100,947 excess deaths in 2020 were not even linked to COVID-19 AT ALL.
Though at little risk from the virus itself, young people bore an outsized share of the burden. More than 70% of adults ages 18-23 said they experienced common symptoms of depression.
CDC revealed that young adults aged 25-44 years saw the largest increase in “excess†deaths from previous years, a stunning 26.5% JUMP, despite accounting for FEWER THAN 3% of deaths from COVID-19.
In Ireland, reports of rape and child sex abuse nearly doubled.
Suicides jumped to unprecedented levels around the world. “We've never seen numbers like this in such a short period of time,†said Walnut Creek’s Dr. Mike deBoisblanc. “I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.â€
“September of 2020 has been the highest month ever that we've seen suicidal patients admitted to our medical center,†said Kia Carter, M.D., medical director of Psychiatry at Cook Children’s Hospital.
Despite being at virtually no risk from COVID, as a result of lockdowns, children have suffered the most of all. Nearly one in four children living under lockdowns are dealing with anxiety, with many at risk of lasting psychological distress.
In recent surveys of over 6000 children and parents in the US, Germany, Finland, Spain and the UK by Save the Children, up to 65% of the children struggled with boredom and feelings of isolation.
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@Victoria33, his and Melinda's attempts to guilt-trip arm-twist the US into distributing the hundreds of millions of vaccine doses US taxpayers paid for to countries other than the US would not be an attempt to "use American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries"? Please explain.
@PeteS in CA
Gates buys the vaccine wherever it is, and goes to those countries himself along with Melinda. He has built buildings in countries and goes there with the vaccine. I heard him say he has buildings in poor countries to distribute medicine. I will look it up but I have heard him myself speak of it and it is ongoing.
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https://ww2.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/articles/covid19-faq
How much money has the Gates Foundation given to the COVID-19 response?
The foundation has committed about $1.75 billion to support the global response to COVID-19. This includes: (consider the rest in quotes):
More than $680 million in newly allocated funding, to help slow transmission; support responses in sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia; fund the development and procurement of new tests, treatments, and vaccines; alleviate the social and economic effects of the pandemic; and a new focus for 2021 to ensure equitable, timely, and scaled delivery of proven interventions.
Up to $750 million in guarantees, forgivable loans, and other financing from our Strategic Investment Fund, which uses financial tools other than grants to help address market challenges and stimulate private sector innovation. The financing enables the rapid procurement of essential medical supplies, like tests, and helps companies finance the production of COVID-19 products for low- and middle-income countries. Any financial returns generated by the Strategic Investment Fund are re-invested in Gates Foundation philanthropic programs. More than $315 million from other programs where grantees were uniquely positioned to leverage existing work and expertise to support the COVID-19 response directly, while continuing to support existing priorities.
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Over 60% of business closures from lockdown are now permanent—over 97,000 businesses lost in the U.S. That “leaders†across the world transformed into tyrants, believing they had a right to bankrupt their subjects, is the core evil of lockdown.
Nearly half of black-owned small businesses have been wiped out.
Unemployment in the U.S. reached as high as 14.7% and highways have jammed with thousands of vehicles awaiting their turn at food banks.
Nearly 5% of the population of the U.K. went hungry during the first three weeks of lockdown.
A survey found that 22% of Canadians were experiencing high anxiety levels, a four-fold increase from before the lockdowns, while the number reporting symptoms of depression doubled to 13%.
More than 40 U.S. states have reported increases in opioid-related mortality.
Per CDC, despite mass PCR testing and disproportionate false positives, at least 100,947 excess deaths in 2020 were not even linked to COVID-19 AT ALL.
Though at little risk from the virus itself, young people bore an outsized share of the burden. More than 70% of adults ages 18-23 said they experienced common symptoms of depression.
CDC revealed that young adults aged 25-44 years saw the largest increase in “excess†deaths from previous years, a stunning 26.5% JUMP, despite accounting for FEWER THAN 3% of deaths from COVID-19.
In Ireland, reports of rape and child sex abuse nearly doubled.
Suicides jumped to unprecedented levels around the world. “We've never seen numbers like this in such a short period of time,†said Walnut Creek’s Dr. Mike deBoisblanc. “I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.â€
“September of 2020 has been the highest month ever that we've seen suicidal patients admitted to our medical center,†said Kia Carter, M.D., medical director of Psychiatry at Cook Children’s Hospital.
Despite being at virtually no risk from COVID, as a result of lockdowns, children have suffered the most of all. Nearly one in four children living under lockdowns are dealing with anxiety, with many at risk of lasting psychological distress.
In recent surveys of over 6000 children and parents in the US, Germany, Finland, Spain and the UK by Save the Children, up to 65% of the children struggled with boredom and feelings of isolation.
A stunning list—and one I relate to, too deeply. Did you pull this from somewhere?
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A stunning list—and one I relate to, too deeply. Did you pull this from somewhere?
Found it on a Twitter thread via Twitchy. There was more to the poster's list as well.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/12/13/greatest-crime-of-the-century-powerful-receipt-filled-thread-on-lockdown-victims-shows-tyrannical-gov-far-more-dangerous-than-any-virus/
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@PeteS in CA
Gates buys the vaccine wherever it is, and goes to those countries himself along with Melinda. He has built buildings in countries and goes there with the vaccine. I heard him say he has buildings in poor countries to distribute medicine. I will look it up but I have heard him myself speak of it and it is ongoing.
@Victoria33, if you go back to my post and actually read it you will realize you "explained" something about which I did not ask. So let me state my question again:
Bill and Melinda are trying to guilt-trip the US government into distributing outside of the US the hundreds of millions of vaccine doses for which US taxpayers paid. How is that arm-twisting not an attempt to "use American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries"?
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@Victoria33, if you go back to my post and actually read it you will realize you "explained" something about which I did not ask. So let me state my question again:
Bill and Melinda are trying to guilt-trip the US government into distributing outside of the US the hundreds of millions of vaccine doses for which US taxpayers paid. How is that arm-twisting not an attempt to "use American taxpayers money for his work in poor countries"?
Then add the fact that if you believe the Hopkins stats on COVID-19 cases, 22% of all the cases in entire world have occured in the U.S., even though we make up a little over 4% of the population. Seems any decent epidemiological strategy would include attacking the disease vector where it is the most prevalant.
But of course, that doesn't matter in the Gates bleeding heart liberal world.
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12-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.227 ↑ | 1.362 ↓ |
| United States | 31.139 ↑ | 1.723 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, PA, OH, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +517.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,615,769.
Huge jump in global recoveries (+2 million since previous day)
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 31 and is back ahead of US.
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12-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.266 ↑ | 1.361 ↓ |
| United States | 31.401 ↑ | 1.717 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, PA, FL, & NY.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +380.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,656,735.
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12-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.334 ↑ | 1.360 ↓ |
| United States | 31.612 ↑ | 1.716 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, OH, FL, & NY.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +239.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,662,809.
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Then add the fact that if you believe the Hopkins stats on COVID-19 cases, 22% of all the cases in entire world have occured in the U.S., even though we make up a little over 4% of the population. Seems any decent epidemiological strategy would include attacking the disease vector where it is the most prevalant.
But of course, that doesn't matter in the Gates bleeding heart liberal world.
It's like pollution: "The US is 4% of the world's population, but cause 115% of the world's pollution. Americans are too well off! This must cease immediately!!"
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@Cyber Liberty
I put more info on my post 3874 regarding Gates and virus. Gives the amount they have spent and what they did with it.
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Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
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@BillGates on Covid: "Even through 2022†we should be prepared for life to not return to “normalâ€
Says “sadly" it’s "appropriate†for bars and restaurants to close over the next "four to six months"
Video: https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1338196775564435459
1:59 PM · Dec 13, 2020·TweetDeck
Remember the days when we expected our medical experts to have more than big wallets?
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12-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.334 ↑ | 1.360 ↓ |
| United States | 31.612 ↑ | 1.716 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, OH, FL, & NY.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +239.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,662,809.
Where'd the seasonal flu go?
(https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/weekly/week-49.jpg)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap)
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
People working in the White House should receive the vaccine somewhat later in the program, unless specifically necessary. I have asked that this adjustment be made. I am not scheduled to take the vaccine, but look forward to doing so at the appropriate time. Thank you!
10:31 PM · Dec 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338325735778476035
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
People working in the White House should receive the vaccine somewhat later in the program, unless specifically necessary. I have asked that this adjustment be made. I am not scheduled to take the vaccine, but look forward to doing so at the appropriate time. Thank you!
10:31 PM · Dec 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338325735778476035
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However, if I, Christie, Carson, or Giuliani should actually catch Covid-19, it will then become specifically necessary for us to receive the use of Regeneron antibody cocktails and other therapeutics that may not yet be accessible to the hoi polloi.
[I wonder if POTUS knew Chris Christie's ungrateful ass was gonna disparage him like he has, would he have still helped him out. :silly:]
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Remember the days when we expected our medical experts to have more than big wallets?
Perhaps, it's to drag this out until after the mid-terms elections?
My cynicism burns like acid reflux.
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However, if I, Christie, Carson, or Giuliani should actually catch Covid-19, it will then become specifically necessary for us to receive the use of Regeneron antibody cocktails and other therapeutics that may not yet be accessible to the hoi polloi.
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I haven't contacted Good Sam or my doctor about the availability of antibody treatment - no reason to do so. But I do know that Eli Lilly's antibody treatment was given EUA on November 9th, and they have a contract with the US government to supply 300K doses. Regeneron's antibody treatment (not the same as Eli Lilly's) was given EUA on November 21st, and they also have a contract for 300K doses. AstraZeneca also has an antibody treatment that started Phase III testing October 9th. That treatment should also be available for Compassionate Use and may receive EUA very soon.
Howzabout leaving the Class Envy snarks to the Libs and Progs.
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Stats about the spread risk in the home, widely recognized as the most dangerous spot for spread:
Odds of being infected by a spouse or significant other: 3 in 8
Odds of being infected by any other member of a household: 1 in 6
Odds of being infected by an asymptomatic carrier in your household: 1 in 150
Asymptomatic spread looks like it could be a huge myth.
Source: University of Florida study published in JAMA. Summary:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html)
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Asymptomatic spread looks like it could be a huge myth lie.
There, fixed it.
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Odds of being infected by an asymptomatic carrier in your household: 1 in 150
Asymptomatic spread looks like it could be a huge myth.
Source: University of Florida study published in JAMA. Summary:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html)
And for this we have isolated our elderly and driven them to despair. It's maddening.
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And for this we have isolated our elderly and driven them to despair. It's maddening.
And it was all done on purpose IMO
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And it was all done on purpose IMO
You ain't the only one my friend!
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Saw a byline that Fauxci has announced he expects herd immunity in the US by late spring.....
You just can't make this sh__ up.
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Saw a byline that Fauxci has announced he expects herd immunity in the US by late spring.....
You just can't make this sh__ up.
I also saw that he still wants masks through the end of next year. Well, which is it?
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Just so everyone is keeping an accurate count...we're in day 275 of "15 days to flatten the curve"
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And it was all done on purpose IMO
THe more I look at the situation, the more I agree. And their little Fauci, too!
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Our little town is running at roughly 2 deaths per day and 150 people being diagnosed with COVID daily. It's decimating the senior citizens....
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Study: masks do indeed cut off airflow to the lungs... and if they're dirty, they may be worse for potential infection than nothing.
Source: Study by UMass-Lowell and California Baptist University, published in Physics of Fluids. Summary:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/wearing-a-used-mask-could-worse-than-no-mask-amid-covid-19-study/
Money quote:
When wearing a mask, however, air enters the mouth and nose through the entire surface of the mask at lower speeds, which favors the inhalation of ambient aerosols into the nose.
Abstract:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0034580
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Study: masks do indeed cut off airflow to the lungs... and if they're dirty, they may be worse for potential infection than nothing.
Source: Study by UMass-Lowell and California Baptist University, published in Physics of Fluids. Summary:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/wearing-a-used-mask-could-worse-than-no-mask-amid-covid-19-study/
Money quote:Abstract:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0034580
That assumes you even have a seal, often not the case, and I'd like to have a dollar for every time I have seen someone with their full nose hanging over the mask or it pulled down below their chin.
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That assumes you even have a seal, often not the case, and I'd like to have a dollar for every time I have seen someone with their full nose hanging over the mask or it pulled down below their chin.
The mask pulled below the nose might be mine. I'm not wearing it for any medically necessary purpose, anyway - as it serves none - but just to be permitted into Kroger or Walmart. It's near impossible to breathe in those things, so I occasionally pull it down to get some fresh air.
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Just saw this amusing tweet:
Teacher Susan @SusanNelsPres
My day today started by a parent coming into my Google Meet uninvited to tell me their family believe in a different science, was told I indoctrinate children, received a nasty-gram stating I was pushing politics because I am teaching the science of masks. How was your day?
11:37 PM · Dec 15, 2020·
She describes herself as: Theatre M.A./Biology B.A.S., Teacher, College Instructor, Moderate Christian. Love thy neighbor; all of them. American. Relieved resister.
I don't know what a "moderate Christian" might be, but you probably can guess how much she expresses dislike of President Trump in her other tweets. *****rollingeyes*****
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Journalist who traveled with Joe Biden to Georgia has COVID-19
Pray for Our Joe
https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/journalist-who-traveled-with-joe-biden-has-covid-19/
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12-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.391 ↑ | 1.360 - |
| United States | 31.842 ↑ | 1.716 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TN, NY, PA, & OH.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +250.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,693,108.
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12-15-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.449 ↑ | 1.358 ↓ |
| United States | 32.046 ↑ | 1.716 - |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, AZ, TN, & NY.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +216.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,745,102.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 32.
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12-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.481 ↑ | 1.356 ↓ |
| United States | 32.174 ↑ | 1.713 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, PA, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +183.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,790,404.
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12-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.533 ↑ | 1.355 ↓ |
| United States | 32.324 ↑ | 1.710 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, TN, & PA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +160.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,828,502.
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The surplus in the 7 day moving average is declining. Maybe people have decided not to die over the holidays...
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Chad Prather
@WatchChad
How will we know the vaccine is working? Will the survival rate go from 99.7% to 99.8?
5:20 PM · Dec 18, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/WatchChad/status/1340059510766002177
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dr. efanzor (Parler: drefanzor)
@drefanzor
Mike Pence has an allergic reaction.
Video: https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1340029723880030210
3:22 PM · Dec 18, 2020·Twitter Web App
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dr. efanzor (Parler: drefanzor)
@drefanzor
Mike Pence has an allergic reaction.
Video: https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1340029723880030210
3:22 PM · Dec 18, 2020·Twitter Web App
LOL
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dr. efanzor (Parler: drefanzor)
@drefanzor
Mike Pence has an allergic reaction.
Video: https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1340029723880030210
3:22 PM · Dec 18, 2020·Twitter Web App
@Right_in_Virginia
I LOVE IT!
Where can I get the same shot he got?
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12-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.574 ↑ | 1.355 - |
| United States | 32.362 ↑ | 1.713 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +198.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 3,927,643.
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12-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.585 ↑ | 1.356 ↑ |
| United States | 32.397 ↑ | 1.721 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NY, & TN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +125.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,029,460.
US Recoveries continue to go uncounted. 14-day Recovery Deficit surpasses 4 million. That's 4 million Americans who have recovered from this disease but are still being listed as actively sick.
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@Right_in_Virginia
I LOVE IT!
Where can I get the same shot he got?
Rumor has it there's one shot left and they're saving it for KAmala @sneakypete
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12-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.585 ↑ | 1.356 ↑ |
| United States | 32.397 ↑ | 1.721 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NY, & TN.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +125.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,029,460.
US Recoveries continue to go uncounted. 14-day Recovery Deficit surpasses 4 million. That's 4 million Americans who have recovered from this disease but are still being listed as actively sick.
Gotta keep the panic going or no one will get the shot. Active cases here have been in decline for well over a week, but people are watching national news and listening to the radio and being told that cases are skyrocketing.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
We don’t want to have lockdowns. The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself!
BBC News (UK)
@BBCNews
Areas currently in tier 3 in south-east England, including London, will enter tier 4 from tomorrow morning
PM Boris Johnson says tier 4 "will be broadly equivalent" to November's lockdown
Latest updates: http://bbc.in/38kFtzl (http://bbc.in/38kFtzl)
(Boris Johnson) Video: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340377186847625218 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340377186847625218)
2:23 PM · Dec 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340377186847625218 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340377186847625218)
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The entire WORLD is being badly hurt by the China Virus, but if you listen to the Fake News Lamestream Media, and Big Tech, you would think that we are the only one. No, but we are the Country that developed vaccines, and years ahead of schedule!
ITV News
@itvnews
'We cannot continue with Christmas as planned.'
The festive bubble policy across Tier 1, 2 and 3 areas of England will be dramatically scaled back to just Christmas Day.
https://itv.com/news/2020-12-19/covid-19-boris-johnson-expected-to-announce-tier-4-for-london-and-south-east-as-coronavirus-cases-soar
(More Boris) Video: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340376176695631872
2:19 PM · Dec 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Well, I look at it this way. We are all going to eventually die of something. I have health issues anyways and I'm not increasing my chances of dying from some vaccine that has been expedited and is reportedly targeting certain people, especially since there have been adverse reactions from it here and in the U.K. I don't trust our government, the WHO, Fauci, nor the CDC. I believe 2/3 of those tested during the studies had some sort of adverse reaction -- 2/3 is a lot of people. Whether the reaction was minimal or not, 2/3 is still a lot of people, and then you have to get a second dose. No vaccine for me.
I just read a report that flu cases are down and COVID cases are up. How stupid do they really think people are??
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Well, I look at it this way. We are all going to eventually die of something. I have health issues anyways and I'm not increasing my chances of dying from some vaccine that has been expedited and is reportedly targeting certain people, especially since there have been adverse reactions from it here and in the U.K. I don't trust our government, the WHO, Fauci, nor the CDC. I believe 2/3 of those tested during the studies had some sort of adverse reaction -- 2/3 is a lot of people. Whether the reaction was minimal or not, 2/3 is still a lot of people, and then you have to get a second dose. No vaccine for me.
I just read a report that flu cases are down and COVID cases are up. How stupid do they really think people are??
Not sheeple anymore.
Noun. 1. schlep - (Yiddish) an awkward and stupid person.
shee·ple
plural noun: sheeple
People compared to sheep in being docile, foolish, or easily led.
My new word.
Schleeple
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Not sheeple anymore.
Noun. 1. schlep - (Yiddish) an awkward and stupid person.
shee·ple
plural noun: sheeple
People compared to sheep in being docile, foolish, or easily led.
My new word.
Schleeple
I like. :beer:
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Gotta keep the panic going or no one will get the shot. Active cases here have been in decline for well over a week, but people are watching national news and listening to the radio and being told that cases are skyrocketing.
You're in the Dakotas, right?
One of the first places to see a marked decline in cases in this "second wave." And yet you won't hear a peep from Lockdown Annies in the media.
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Speaking of keeping the panic going... just in time for 2021 and timed with the release of two vaccines...England is reporting a “new strain†of the China Virus.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated)
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Speaking of keeping the panic going... just in time for 2021 and timed with the release of two vaccines...England is reporting a “new strain†of the China Virus.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated)
LOL/s
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They should make a movie starring Jane Fonda. The China Syndrome or something...catchy.
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Speaking of keeping the panic going... just in time for 2021 and timed with the release of two vaccines...England is reporting a “new strain†of the China Virus.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated)
Yup! Back to square one. Rinse and repeat forever. Trump's Fault. Caliphate here we come!
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Yup! Back to square one. Rinse and repeat forever. Trump's Fault. Caliphate here we come!
A definite possibility.
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A definite possibility.
Why do you think masks are so important?
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Yup! Back to square one. Rinse and repeat forever. Trump's Fault. Caliphate here we come!
Nah. No caliphate.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaoryEO1h4U#)
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Speaking of keeping the panic going... just in time for 2021 and timed with the release of two vaccines...England is reporting a “new strain†of the China Virus.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-19/london-put-in-emergency-lockdown-as-u-k-fights-new-virus-strain?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated)
Allegedly more contagious too. Which, considering how ineffective the mandates were this time around, means this one's likely unstoppable. IF true.
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Allegedly more contagious too. Which, considering how ineffective the mandates were this time around, means this one's likely unstoppable. IF true.
It doesn't have to be true to gin up another panic that's worse than the disease. They now have a template.
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Ezra Levant
@ezralevant
“Get on the ground before I f@cking taser you!†Calgary’s out-of-control police threaten a young man for... skating outside at a park? @TheRealKeean please find these boys and we will sue the police for them on Monday.
Video: https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1340302016963354624
9:24 AM · Dec 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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You're in the Dakotas, right?
One of the first places to see a marked decline in cases in this "second wave." And yet you won't hear a peep from Lockdown Annies in the media.
Correct. But we get national newsfeeds that talk of here like it was the Bubonic Plague or the Spanish Flu.
Yes, we have lost some people, but current positive cases statewide are less than 30% of peak levels, with roughly 2,900 active cases statewide. (of 760,000 population) You would never know there was such a profound number of recoveries.
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Why do you think masks are so important?
A few extra lumps in the mask should help mess with the facial recognition software come the revolution.
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Lauren Boebert
@laurenboebert
How did we go from starting a revolution over a tax on tea to collectively shrugging our shoulders when the government locks us in our homes, keeps us from seeing our families and arbitrarily closes our small businesses?
7:20 PM · Dec 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1340452066729357313
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Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
Biden will be using the "Pointy-haired Boss" strategy against COVID-19. That means promoting masks and lockdowns and later claiming his leadership made a big difference while the vaccinations and warmer weather do the heavy lifting.
8:48 AM · Dec 20, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1340655377071783937
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UK official: We'll never eradicate the virus, mask mandates FOREVER!!!! 9999hair out0000
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-55159618 (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-55159618)
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UK official: We'll never eradicate the virus, mask mandates FOREVER!!!! 9999hair out0000
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-55159618 (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-55159618)
What would be the point of wearing a mask after one has been vaccinated.
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What would be the point of wearing a mask after one has been vaccinated.
Once Islamic rule is in place, we'll be used to wearing face coverings.
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Allegedly more contagious too. Which, considering how ineffective the mandates were this time around, means this one's likely unstoppable. IF true.
The flu virus has never been stopped. It's been around for a long time. No lockdowns. No quarantines. No one panicking.
Some strains are expected to be more prevalent in different years and they vaccinate accordingly. People still die, even those who get the vaccine.
It's time to get over the paranoia.
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The flu virus has never been stopped. It's been around for a long time. No lockdowns. No quarantines. No one panicking.
Some strains are expected to be more prevalent in different years and they vaccinate accordingly. People still die, even those who get the vaccine.
It's time to get over the paranoia.
YUP!
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Fauci concedes feared "surge upon surge" never materialized after Thanksgiving
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/thanksgiving-covid-surge-christmas-fauci (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/thanksgiving-covid-surge-christmas-fauci)
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Fauci concedes feared pimped "surge upon surge" never materialized after Thanksgiving
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/thanksgiving-covid-surge-christmas-fauci (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/thanksgiving-covid-surge-christmas-fauci)
The only surge was in testing around here, which predictably, led to a surge in cases. Makes you wonder how accurate the tests are. Seems new cases and testing tracked pretty well.
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The only surge was in testing around here, which predictably, led to a surge in cases. Makes you wonder how accurate the tests are. Seems new cases and testing tracked pretty well.
There was a spike here as well, mainly at the county jail and as part of mass testing at the local college before the holiday. Predictably, the liberals around here blame people not wearing masks. (Yet everywhere I go, the compliance is well over 90%.) BUT that began weeks before Thanksgiving. It stayed pretty much level the past few weeks and is now going down again (thankfully).
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The only surge was in testing around here, which predictably, led to a surge in cases. Makes you wonder how accurate the tests are. Seems new cases and testing tracked pretty well.
First rule of accounting - you get what you count. In business, if you count costs, you get costs. If you count revenue, you get revenue. If you count profits, you get profits.
Same goes with Covid. If you count cases, you get cases. If you count deaths, you get deaths. If you count recoveries, you get recoveries. So far, the emphasis has been on counting cases and deaths.
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No COVID baby boom: 300,000 fewer children will be born in 2021, and lockdowns preventing men and women from socializing are to blame
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/16/covid-19-baby-bust-coronavirus-pandemic-lead-birth-decline/6507974002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/16/covid-19-baby-bust-coronavirus-pandemic-lead-birth-decline/6507974002/)
Do the math. You haven't saved lives, you've just saved OLDER lives at the expense of slashing the birth rate to dangerously low levels. In the end, the same amount of people either die or don't come into existence that otherwise would.
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"No COVID baby boom: 300,000 fewer children will be born in 2021, and lockdowns preventing men and women from socializing are to blame..."
Sounds like most of these would have ended up being illegitimate births.
Probably better off without them.
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Correct. But we get national newsfeeds that talk of here like it was the Bubonic Plague or the Spanish Flu.
Yes, we have lost some people, but current positive cases statewide are less than 30% of peak levels, with roughly 2,900 active cases statewide. (of 760,000 population) You would never know there was such a profound number of recoveries.
@Smokin Joe
Recovery-to-Death ratio:
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US - 32.69
ND - 69.87
Case-to-Recovery ratio:
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US - 1.720
ND - 1.047
North Dakota is blowing away the national average on both counts. Their reported infection percentage is 11.8. Add in estimated asymptomatic cases, and North Dakota is approaching herd immunity. There not another state other than South Dakota that has even come close.
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The only surge was in testing around here, which predictably, led to a surge in cases. Makes you wonder how accurate the tests are. Seems new cases and testing tracked pretty well.
I bet you have a fifty fifty chance of the tests being fifty percent right fifty percent of the time.
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I bet you have a fifty fifty chance of the tests being fifty percent right fifty percent of the time.
Here a Bayes' Theorem probability exercise.
Question: Let's say there is a disease that 1% of the population has. There is a test for this disease that is 99% accurate either way. If a person tests positive for the disease, what is the probability that they actually have the disease?
Answer: 50%
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I remember that one from my college statistics course.
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"No COVID baby boom: 300,000 fewer children will be born in 2021, and lockdowns preventing men and women from socializing are to blame..."
Sounds like most of these would have ended up being illegitimate births.
Probably better off without them.
@Fishrrman
What time is it where you live,1880?
*I* was an "illigimate birth". That was the prime reason my Bible-Thumping cousins weren't allowed to play with me when I was a child. I would go to one of their houses to play with them,and their mothers would call them inside and lock the door because for all they knew,I was the actual spawn of SATAN!
You sound like one of those goobers,and should be ashamed of yourself for being so backwards.
ALL children are conceived and born the same basic way,Bubba. Honest. You can look it up.
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Birx Announces She Will Retire after Holiday Travel Controversy
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dr-birx-announces-she-will-retire-after-holiday-travel-controversy/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=22463032 (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dr-birx-announces-she-will-retire-after-holiday-travel-controversy/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=22463032)
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Birx Announces She Will Retire after Holiday Travel Controversy
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dr-birx-announces-she-will-retire-after-holiday-travel-controversy/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=22463032 (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dr-birx-announces-she-will-retire-after-holiday-travel-controversy/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=22463032)
Her work is done here.
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MSNBC guest Dr. William Haseltine: Don’t get overly optimistic about the Covid vaccine, we’re in for a “decades-long battleâ€
(Two weeks to flatten the curve)
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1342135106669051904
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Dr. Anthony Fauci has been slowly but deliberately moving the goal posts on when herd immunity is possible. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the U.S. is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1342085152739090434
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his gut feeling that the U.S. is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.
The science. *****rollingeyes*****
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ABC7 Eyewitness News
@ABC7
Kirk Cameron hosted another caroling event at a mall in Thousand Oaks with dozens of maskless singers in violation of health protocols even as the property owner said the "irresponsible" event was unauthorized. Full story: https://abc7.la/2KOuupZ
Video: https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1341819934158934018
1:56 PM · Dec 23, 2020·Twitter Web App
888deco
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ABC7 Eyewitness News
@ABC7
Kirk Cameron hosted another caroling event at a mall in Thousand Oaks with dozens of maskless singers in violation of health protocols even as the property owner said the "irresponsible" event was unauthorized. Full story: https://abc7.la/2KOuupZ
Video: https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1341819934158934018
Heckling Santa Claus? What is wrong with liberals!
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12-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.627 ↑ | 1.356 - |
| United States | 32.621 ↑ | 1.714 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NY, & PA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +160.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,110,629.
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12-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.672 ↑ | 1.355 ↓ |
| United States | 32.690 ↑ | 1.720 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, TN, & FL.
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12-22-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.723 ↑ | 1.354 ↓ |
| United States | 33.038 ↑ | 1.709 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, TN, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +247.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,238,282.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 33.
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12-23-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.775 ↑ | 1.351 ↓ |
| United States | 33.085 ↑ | 1.707 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NY, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +294.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,317,431.
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12-24-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.800 ↑ | 1.351 - |
| United States | 33.216 ↑ | 1.704 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, FL, & PA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +232.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,383,945.
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Today the were forced to admit that covid-19' does not exist.
"AS PART OF OUR LEGAL ACTION we had been demanding the evidence that this virus actually exists [as well as] evidence that lockdowns actually have any impact on the spread of viruses; that face-masks are safe, and do deter the spread of viruses - They don’t. No such studies exist; that social distancing is based in science - It isn't. it's made up; that contact tracing has any bearing on the spread of a virus - of course it doesn't. This organisation here - is making it up as they go along." - Gemma O'Doherty
Originally streamed live from the office of Tony Holohan Chief Medical Officer of Ireland.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/)
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5 bombshell COVID studies the MSM won't report
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6nn0ow5_n8&feature=youtu.be#)
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Homo For The Holidays @BruceExotic
A Christmas Song For 2020
I’m getting COVID for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are dead
I’m getting COVID for Christmas
At least that’s what Dr. Fauci said!
I met my friends without a mask
Somebody snitched on me
I went to church and didn’t ask
Somebody snitched on me
I’m getting COVID for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are dead
I’m getting COVID for Christmas
At least that’s what Dr. Fauci said!
I talked with Bill only five feet away
Somebody snitched on me
We tried to eat food inside today
Somebody snitched on me
I’m getting COVID for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are dead
I’m getting COVID for Christmas
At least that’s what Dr. Fauci said!
https://twitter.com/BruceExotic/status/1341563960206749697
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BTW,for anyone that is interested.
I do NOT have Covid-15. I got the test results emailed to me yesterday afternoon. I have the regular,unleaded flu.
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BTW,for anyone that is interested.
I do NOT have Covid-15. I got the test results emailed to me yesterday afternoon. I have the regular,unleaded flu.
I guess that's good to know. I didn't know anyone had the regular flu anymore. :shrug: Hope you recover quickly, no matter what it is!
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BTW,for anyone that is interested.
I do NOT have Covid-15. I got the test results emailed to me yesterday afternoon. I have the regular,unleaded flu.
Well, hurry up and get well! (You are one of the rare flu cases this year)
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'Casual social contacts' (the kind that were eliminated in these lockdowns) key to combating loneliness
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/casual-social-contacts-can-help-combat-loneliness-and-improve-well-being-during-pandemic-psychologists-say-1.5852956?cmp=rss (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/casual-social-contacts-can-help-combat-loneliness-and-improve-well-being-during-pandemic-psychologists-say-1.5852956?cmp=rss)
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MSNBC guest Dr. William Haseltine: Don’t get overly optimistic about the Covid vaccine, we’re in for a “decades-long battleâ€
(Two weeks to flatten the curve)
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1342135106669051904
Sounds like the Democrat fascists have grown fond of their forced takeover of US society.
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Decades, huh. How many mutations occur with "regular" flu, anyway? We never have been, nor will we be, virus free. This fear mongering of the most despicable sort.
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Decades, huh. How many mutations occur with "regular" flu, anyway? We never have been, nor will we be, virus free. This fear mongering of the most despicable sort.
@mountaineer
Yeah,but there are book contracts,teebee appearances,and other money to be made from it/
Also,it beats the hell out of having to work for a living,to.
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Sounds like the Democrat fascists have grown fond of their forced takeover of US society.
Once power has been usurped, it is seldom, if ever, relinquished gracefully.
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12-25-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.860 ↑ | 1.350 ↓ |
| United States | 33.285 ↑ | 1.703 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +110.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,521,598.
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12-26-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.911 ↑ | 1.350 - |
| United States | 33.281 ↓ | 1.706 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, NY, AZ, PA, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -93.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,729,512.
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12-27-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 31.981 ↑ | 1.348 ↓ |
| United States | 33.568 ↑ | 1.704 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, OH, NY, MA, & TX.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -272.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,798,942.
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12-28-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.058 ↑ | 1.345 ↓ |
| United States | 33.699 ↑ | 1.703 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, FL, & SC.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -322.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,907,162.
Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 32.
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Unconfirmed. Will try to find a legit source to confirm this is a valid Covid therapy:
Sam Bardo @SamBardo1
Dec 16
While the World is on a vaccine frenzy, the Indian Government is distributing a home Covid Kit with Zinc, Doxycycline and Ivermectin. The cost $2.65 per person.
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9:09 AM · Dec 16, 2020·
This blogger (https://covexit.com/did-you-hear-about-the-ziverdo-therapy-for-covid-19/) notes:... “ZIVERDO Kit Contains Zinc Acetate 50 mg, Doxycycline 100 mg & Ivermectin 12 mg Dispersible Tablets.†...
... If you are in a country such as Canada, the US, France, the UK, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Sweden, Germany and many others, for sure you will not have heard about ZIVERDO, except for blogs like this one or some posts on social media.
Countries like India, where the ZIVERDO is offered as a frontline treatment, cannot afford the kind of medicine that is being pushed in these rich, “developed†countries. They cannot afford either massive hospitalizations for a disease that can be treated home. ...
See also Medical Diaglogues, (https://medicaldialogues.in/medicine/news/doxycycline-and-ivermectin-combo-may-be-new-effective-covid-19-treatment-65868) a site reporting several months ago on the trials of the doxycycline/ivermectin combo.
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Phil Kerpen @kerpen
Influenza testing, week 51.
CDC flu view. https://cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Five-year average: 15.80% positive
This year: 0.10%
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JXUW_6CF4e04iAWyC_MU23SY6scEYUo4GKEXmQUhHbo/edit?usp=sharing
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11:11 AM · Dec 28, 2020·
Steve Krakauer @SteveKrak
There were 36 positive flu tests reported by the CDC last week.
Last year in the same week there were 7,703 positive flu tests, and no year in the last 5 had fewer than 320 positive tests.
Where’s the media coverage of this statistical anomaly?!
11:40 AM · Dec 28, 2020
Thread: https://twitter.com/SteveKrak/status/1343597752954068995
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While the World is on a vaccine frenzy, the Indian Government is distributing a home Covid Kit with Zinc, Doxycycline and Ivermectin. The cost $2.65 per person.
How do you expect Bill Gates to make any real money at only $2.65 per person?
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Unconfirmed. Will try to find a legit source to confirm this is a valid Covid therapy:
This blogger (https://covexit.com/did-you-hear-about-the-ziverdo-therapy-for-covid-19/) notes:
See also Medical Diaglogues, (https://medicaldialogues.in/medicine/news/doxycycline-and-ivermectin-combo-may-be-new-effective-covid-19-treatment-65868) a site reporting several months ago on the trials of the doxycycline/ivermectin combo.
Australians had success with it. A friend took Ivermectin and zinc, with vitamin C after testing positive (and felt like crap, too) but after two doses of Ivermectin (one per day, based on his body weight), he felt better and was right as rain in four days. Ivermectin is an antiparasitic, and like hydroxychloroquine, an ionophore.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.21.914929v1.full.pdf (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.21.914929v1.full.pdf)
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How do you expect Bill Gates to make any real money at only $2.65 per person?
I figure that was why the Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc regimen was attacked as well (and because Trump mentioned it).
Effective, cheap early onset treatments would have had the additional effect of removing the terror instilled in the global population which has enabled all sorts of totalitarian nonsense, and been the excuse for rampant nonfeasance by bureaucrats and politicians at virtually every level.
Not to mention the Chinese would not have been able to sell go-zillions of disposable masks...
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Smokin Joe posted (article excerpt):
"Australians had success with it. A friend took Ivermectin and zinc, with vitamin C after testing positive (and felt like crap, too) but after two doses of Ivermectin (one per day, based on his body weight), he felt better and was right as rain in four days. Ivermectin is an antiparasitic, and like hydroxychloroquine, an ionophore."
You can order this prepackaged from India:
(note that the cost is in rupees, use a currency converter)
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Rxindia:
https://www.rxindia.com/medicines/medicines-by-therapeutic-class/covid-19/ziverdo-kit/ (https://www.rxindia.com/medicines/medicines-by-therapeutic-class/covid-19/ziverdo-kit/)
₹127.50
List price: ₹150.00
Short description:
Ziverdo Kit Contains Zinc Acetate 50 mg, Doxycycline 100 mg & Ivermectin 12 mg Dispersible Tablets. It is currently indicated in the first line treatment for COVID-19 positive patients. Quadruple Therapy with Ivermectin is effective in treating COVID-19 Referring to a pre-official...
indiamart:
Ziverdo Kit, For Personal, 50 Mg,100 Mg & 12 Mg
Rs 150/Kit Get Latest Price
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150 Indian Rupees is about two bucks. Today.
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Both cases and deaths seem to be falling rapidly. Christmas season testing declines or are we turning the corner?
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New cases and deaths seem to have peaked and possibly started to decrease. There has also been some decline in test numbers the past few days. But there is a sort of double chicken-egg relationship between new case numbers and test numbers. On one hand more testing tends to mean more cases found; on the other, test numbers tend to reflect people's perceived need to be tested. So maybe new case numbers are down some because testing is down some. But maybe testing numbers are down some because fewer people are having symptoms that persuade them to get tested.
In brief, :shrug: . That daily deaths numbers have plateaued and may be falling is a good thing, obviously, and may signal that infections have plateaued.
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Both cases and deaths seem to be falling rapidly. Christmas season testing declines or are we turning the corner?
Hard to tell, the way the local news breathlessly reports every new case, every new death. And, of course, deaths from various causes are being blamed Covid. A lovely lady of our acquaintance - age 97 - died last week and it's been blamed on Covid, which is utter nonsense.
Meanwhile, here's an odd case:Congressman-elect Luke Letlow died Tuesday evening from complications with COVID-19, shaking the Louisiana political world weeks after his election to represent Louisiana's 5th District in Congress as the state's youngest U.S. representative.
Letlow, 41, died at Ochsner-LSU Health Shreveport from “complications from COVID-19,†his spokesman, Andrew Bautsch, said in a statement.
Letlow was admitted to a Monroe hospital with COVID-19 symptoms on Dec. 19th before being transferred to the Shreveport hospital and moving to the intensive care unit on Dec. 23rd. ...
He was in critical condition but had recently shown signs of improvement when he "apparently suffered a cardiac event this evening that was refractory to all resuscitation efforts," said Dr. G.E. Ghali, of LSU Health Shreveport.
Ghali previously said Letlow was being treated with the antiviral drug Remdesivir and steroids. Asked if Letlow had any underlying conditions that would have made his death more likely, Ghali said in a text message, "none. All COVID related." ...
More (https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_87489d82-4a47-11eb-9583-f3e4fa6891c1.html)
He was a Republican who formerly worked with Bobby Jindal.
UPDATE: it appears they may be acknowledging he died from the heart attack, not the 'rona. NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20201230&mpweb=755-9229325-719082623&fbclid=IwAR01HGWR6CRbPLMhNaTRtKeoi5PBJX9mqdGEIdqarshYwQFvlaLKIEVl3MY)
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Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 didn’t occur at all, study of 10 million finds (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/asymptomatic-transmission-of-covid-19-didnt-occur-at-all-study-of-10-million-finds)
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Just tried to buy pants at Kohls but the fitting rooms weren't available "for your safety." Who's gotten the Rona from trying on a pair of pants? I walked out, after telling an employee I wasn't going to buy anything if I couldn't try it on first. Grr.
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Just tried to buy pants at Kohls but the fitting rooms weren't available "for your safety." Who's gotten the Rona from trying on a pair of pants? I walked out, after telling an employee I wasn't going to buy anything if I couldn't try it on first. Grr.
Right? Very frustrating.
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...
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Is that what eating Green Eggs and Ham causes? Green pants?
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Is that what eating Green Eggs and Ham causes? Green pants?
PALE green pants, with nobody inside them!!
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12-29-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.088 ↑ | 1.343 ↓ |
| United States | 34.084 ↑ | 1.691 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, AZ, & CT.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -516.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,903,907.
US Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 34.
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12-30-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.119 ↑ | 1.342 ↓ |
| United States | 34.144 ↑ | 1.687 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, FL, NY, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -521.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 4,954,258.
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12-31-2020 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.133 ↑ | 1.341 ↓ |
| United States | 34.206 ↑ | 1.685 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, TX, NY, FL, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -433.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 5,047,325.
US 14-day Recovery Deficit surpasses 5 million. This represents over 64% of 'active cases'. In other words, the reported number of active cases (7.8 million) is really less than 2.8 million.
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State Fatality Rates per Reported Cases:
| New Jersey | 3.95% |
| New York | 3.79% |
| Massachusetts | 3.35% |
| Connecticut | 3.24% |
| District Of Columbia | 2.71% |
| Pennsylvania | 2.47% |
| Michigan | 2.46% |
| Louisiana | 2.39% |
| Mississippi | 2.22% |
| Maryland | 2.13% |
| Rhode Island | 2.02% |
| Illinois | 1.86% |
| Vermont | 1.84% |
| USA Total | 1.73% |
| South Carolina | 1.72% |
| New Mexico | 1.72% |
| New Hampshire | 1.71% |
| Arizona | 1.70% |
| Georgia | 1.65% |
| Florida | 1.64% |
| Arkansas | 1.63% |
| Delaware | 1.62% |
| Indiana | 1.61% |
| Texas | 1.58% |
| West Virginia | 1.56% |
| South Dakota | 1.48% |
| Missouri | 1.44% |
| Virginia | 1.44% |
| Colorado | 1.43% |
| Washington | 1.43% |
| Maine | 1.42% |
| North Dakota | 1.39% |
| Iowa | 1.37% |
| Nevada | 1.37% |
| Hawaii | 1.34% |
| Alabama | 1.33% |
| Oregon | 1.30% |
| Ohio | 1.28% |
| Minnesota | 1.28% |
| North Carolina | 1.26% |
| Kansas | 1.21% |
| Tennessee | 1.17% |
| Montana | 1.16% |
| California | 1.11% |
| Wisconsin | 1.00% |
| Idaho | 1.00% |
| Kentucky | 0.98% |
| Nebraska | 0.97% |
| Wyoming | 0.91% |
| Oklahoma | 0.85% |
| Utah | 0.46% |
| Alaska | 0.44% |
US Average has fallen from 1.87 to 1.73 to since Dec 9.
* Note: Fatality numbers represent people who had SARS-2 when they died - not necessarily people who died from Covid.
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West Virginia 1.56%
When you consider just how old the population of my state is, this number is surprisingly low. Sorry we didn't cooperate!
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When you consider just how old the population of my state is, this number is surprisingly low. Sorry we didn't cooperate!
Slackers. happy77
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COVID lockdown was traced to six suicides on the Carnival Breeze cruise ship.
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-cruise-ship-suicides/ (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-cruise-ship-suicides/)
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Slackers. happy77
We're dying, er, trying the best we can!
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@SweetThingWNC
Studies show that lockdowns cause no emotional harm.
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6:32 AM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/SweetThingWNC/status/1344607411974393858
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Studies show that lockdowns cause no emotional harm.
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
I almost counted those. Then I almost estimated 2.5 and started to count lines...
Then I realized how pathetic that is. Especially when I don't care.
So the entirety of my reply can only be:
Indeed. happy77
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Catturd â„¢
@catturd2
So - Times Square was closed unless you're the guy who shut it down?
Got it.
NYC Mayor's Office
@NYCMayorsOffice
Happy #NewYear from the greatest city in the world.
Video: https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1344980364553498624
7:14 AM · Jan 1, 2021·Twitter Web App
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President Elect JJ (Judy or Jill)
@LadyJustice6910
This is what Florida thinks of covid!
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9:48 PM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Ben Bradley
@BenBradleyTV
On Twitter, a Chicago Teachers Union leader rallied teachers to refuse to go back to the classroom to 'stay safe.'
On Instagram, on the same day, she posted pictures poolside in Puerto Rico. https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/ctu-board-member-facing-criticism-for-vacationing-in-caribbean-while-pushing-remote-learning/ @WGNNews
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8:01 PM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/BenBradleyTV/status/1344810949996392448
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@SweetThingWNC
Studies show that lockdowns cause no emotional harm.
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6:32 AM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/SweetThingWNC/status/1344607411974393858
:silly: :beer:
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@corbe would like this picture. Nice "smile."
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(((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio
@jasonrantz
This. Right. Here.
Meanwhile, restaurants are still closed without data justifying the mandate... but the Emmy winning Governor probably has people cooking for him at his house.
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6:32 PM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1344788630154276864
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
(COVID) Video: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1344717975891402759
From The White House
1:52 PM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Kevin Sorbo
@ksorbs
We went from “Wash your hands, don’t touch your face.†To “If you don’t take the vaccine you’ll lose your job and be banned from traveling forever.
7:56 AM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1344628476473700353
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01-01-2021 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.136 ↑ | 1.343 ↑ |
| United States | 34.223 ↑ | 1.687 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, TX, NY, & GA.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: -257.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 5,153,511.
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During the debate, Joe Biden had predicted another 220,000 Covid deaths before the end of the year. He missed it by 64%.
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I wonder how many masks the Chinese have sold the US?
And how much money that was worth...
(Does Fauci, who initially said the masks would be useless, get a kickback?)
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I wonder how many masks the Chinese have sold the US?
And how much money that was worth...
(Does Fauci, who initially said the masks would be useless, get a kickback?)
Oh, you know it's in the billions, even tens of billions. They're even sending the quality-control tags in their original Mandarin right in the packages.
But when the same face shield that an American company sells for $18 can be made by Chinese labor with a retail value of $3, and they know we're up a creek... what do you think is going to happen?
Even if it wasn't planned, the Chinese certainly planned the fallout to their benefit.
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(((Jason Rantz))) on KTTH Radio
@jasonrantz
This. Right. Here.
Meanwhile, restaurants are still closed without data justifying the mandate... but the Emmy winning Governor probably has people cooking for him at his house.
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6:32 PM · Dec 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1344788630154276864
That is compelling information. Indeed, it suggests that liberal governors are actively harming their constituents by denying them a relatively safe alternative for social interaction to the known breeding grounds of living rooms and basements.
Here in eastern Pennsy, I've been forced to travel to New Jersey to get a simple restaurant meal, and it appears that Gov. Wolf will lift the arbitrary 3-week ban on schedule. But not in Philly, of course; Mayor Kenney is keeping all restaurants locked until mid January, where the colder temps will be filling the basements instead. And so the slow death of the city continues.
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That is compelling information. Indeed, it suggests that liberal governors are actively harming their constituents by denying them a relatively safe alternative for social interaction to the known breeding grounds of living rooms and basements.
If only we had a President who made this point last April.
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That is compelling information. Indeed, it suggests that liberal governors are actively harming their constituents by denying them a relatively safe alternative for social interaction to the known breeding grounds of living rooms and basements.
Here in eastern Pennsy, I've been forced to travel to New Jersey to get a simple restaurant meal, and it appears that Gov. Wolf will lift the arbitrary 3-week ban on schedule. But not in Philly, of course; Mayor Kenney is keeping all restaurants locked until mid January, where the colder temps will be filling the basements instead. And so the slow death of the city continues.
In March the pols who did shut-down-everything shutdowns could truthfully say they didn't know where spread was happening. While the data is necessarily incomplete, the data does not support shutting down everything. That has been known for months, and persisting in ignorance-and-tyranny-based general shutdowns has almost entirely eroded goobernors' credibility when they advise cautions in family gatherings.
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If only we had a President who made this point last April.
Flinging snot-balls at the Bad Orange Man was more satisfying.
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They have now found their formula for controlling the masses and we will NEVER be free of it again in this life. We will always be under some sort of manufactured crisis requiring government interventions in order to "protect" us from its ravages.
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They have now found their formula for controlling the masses and we will NEVER be free of it again in this life. We will always be under some sort of manufactured crisis requiring government interventions in order to "protect" us from its ravages.
If we allow government to stomp on us because of an "emergency," then that government will continuously create emergencies.
It's like "Crisis Management." If people can be made to believe there's a "crisis," then the government is free to implement whatever they want to solve the "crisis." People do this in regular life, I had a sister who was always creating crises in order to get what she wanted.
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If we allow government to stomp on us because of an "emergency," then that government will continuously create emergencies.
It's like "Crisis Management." If people can be made to believe there's a "crisis," then the government is free to implement whatever they want to solve the "crisis." People do this in regular life, I had a sister who was always creating crises in order to get what she wanted.
And our government(s) have been doing it for many years as well albeit on a much smaller scale. In fact, that's ALL they do! Manufacture crises that only THEY can solve!
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01-02-2021 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.150 ↑ | 1.344 ↑ |
| United States | 34.168 ↓ | 1.697 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, FL, NY, GA, & AZ.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +128.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 5,348,412.
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They have now found their formula for controlling the masses and we will NEVER be free of it again in this life. We will always be under some sort of manufactured crisis requiring government interventions in order to "protect" us from its ravages.
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.â€
Benjamin Franklin
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01-03-2021 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.196 ↑ | 1.343 ↓ |
| United States | 34.530 ↑ | 1.692 ↓ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +335.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 5,338,430.
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01-04-2021 | 0:00 GMT
| REGION | Recov:Death | Cases:Recov |
| Global (excluding China & US) | 32.252 ↑ | 1.342 ↓ |
| United States | 34.599 ↑ | 1.698 ↑ |
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Largest case rises occurred in CA, AZ, TX, NY, & FL.
Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period: +399.
14-day Recovery Deficit - 5,453,135.
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Raheem Kassam
@RaheemKassam
Oh man, CNN’s @RosaFlores just got annihilated by @RonDeSantisFL
Video: https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1346435204966207488
7:35 AM · Jan 5, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
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Ashley StClair
@stclairashley
These mask-fanatic women from hell started filming & harassing these men for drinking coffee on the train
The older one said “I have 70,000 Twitter followers†like the men should be scared
People have lost their damn minds.
If you’re that scared, DON’T TRAVEL— STAY HOME!
Video: https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1346502162487107590
12:01 PM · Jan 5, 2021 from New York Penn Station·Twitter for iPhone
pointing-up 88devil
Son of Liberty
@Yair_1976
Replying to @stclairashley
I personally think those dames didn't have enough layers on their faces.
12:06 PM · Jan 5, 2021·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/Yair_1976/status/1346503423932379138
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If we allow government to stomp on us because of an "emergency," then that government will continuously create emergencies.
It's like "Crisis Management." If people can be made to believe there's a "crisis," then the government is free to implement whatever they want to solve the "crisis." People do this in regular life, I had a sister who was always creating crises in order to get what she wanted.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
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Never let a crisis go to waste.
When was the last year without a "crisis"?
(Keep in mind that the Media will make one up to sell soap if nothing real exists).
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When was the last year without a "crisis"?
(Keep in mind that the Media will make one up to sell soap if nothing real exists).
@Smokin Joe
Here is a true crisis for you. Tens of thousands of Trump Supporters "invade" Washington DC,and the only person shot to death is an unarmed elderly white woman who was shot to death by a black cop.
Really doesn't give the media much they can work with,does it?
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@Smokin Joe
Here is a true crisis for you. Tens of thousands of Trump Supporters "invade" Washington DC,and the only person shot to death is an unarmed elderly white woman who was shot to death by a black cop.
Really doesn't give the media much they can work with,does it?
Well, someone broke a bunch of media equipment. Somewhere I read that it "didn't belong to the media, but belonged to AP" but I guess they don't get that most of the pap we read that purports to be news comes from that one source.
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Well, someone broke a bunch of media equipment. Somewhere I read that it "didn't belong to the media, but belonged to AP"
@Smokin Joe
The Associated PRESS isn't a part of "the media"????
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Here is a true crisis for you. Tens of thousands of Trump Supporters "invade" Washington DC,and the only person shot to death is an unarmed elderly white woman who was shot to death by a black cop.
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1. Ashli Babbit was 35 years old.
2. Since she was in no sense "elderly", how accurate is the claim that the police officer who shot her is black? And why does the officer's skin color matter anyway?!
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The Associated PRESS isn't a part of "the media"????
AP is among the worst of the snooze media.
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@Smokin Joe
The Associated PRESS isn't a part of "the media"????
Note, please, that comment was in quotes. You and I know the AP is the source for lazy newswriters everywhere.
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1. Ashli Babbit was 35 years old.
2. Since she was in no sense "elderly", how accurate is the claim that the police officer who shot her is black? And why does the officer's skin color matter anyway?!
Okay, tinfoil hat time.....
Ashli Babbit was shot because none of the protesters had killed or seriously injured anyone.
NOTE: People engaged as members of a group in actions which may be deemed "criminal" in an event where someone gets killed can be charged with murder.
Happens all the time, where the guy driving the getaway car is charged with murder, too, when the robber(s) kill the store clerk.
IMHO, she may have been killed to amp up the charges to discourage such acts in the future.
Otherwise, there wasn't really that much to charge people with compared to the riots around the country last year (and ongoing, even if the MSM has looked the other way).
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1. Ashli Babbit was 35 years old.
2. Since she was in no sense "elderly", how accurate is the claim that the police officer who shot her is black? And why does the officer's skin color matter anyway?!
@PeteS in CA
1. I called her elderly because the reports I had read said she a veteran and implied she was retired.
2.As for the accuracy of the claim the shooter was black,I tend to believe my lying eyes and what they saw on the videotape that was posted on either twitter or Facebook.
AND it makes a difference because ANY time a white cop shoots a black,the blacks rise up in the tens of thousands in manufactured outrage to talk about what a "gud boi he wuz,and how he was "juz now gett-in hiz lafe taguther when he was murdered by dat kracka cop!"
What goes around,comes around,Bubba. You don't like it,kiss my big red ass.
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Okay, tinfoil hat time.....
Ashli Babbit was shot because none of the protesters had killed or seriously injured anyone.
NOTE: People engaged as members of a group in actions which may be deemed "criminal" in an event where someone gets killed can be charged with murder.
Happens all the time, where the guy driving the getaway car is charged with murder, too, when the robber(s) kill the store clerk.
IMHO, she may have been killed to amp up the charges to discourage such acts in the future.
Otherwise, there wasn't really that much to charge people with compared to the riots around the country last year (and ongoing, even if the MSM has looked the other way).
@Smokin Joe
Naw,I saw the video,and that cop shot because he was scared out of his rabbit-assed mind,and trembling when he shot. She was hit more by chance than purpose,and IIRC,there were several police officers very close to her,and any of them could have been hit instead of her.
I am NOT saying the left isn't celebrating her death,I am just saying nobody in their right mind would have picked this guy as a hit man.
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Okay, tinfoil hat time.....
Ashli Babbit was shot because none of the protesters had killed or seriously injured anyone.
NOTE: People engaged as members of a group in actions which may be deemed "criminal" in an event where someone gets killed can be charged with murder.
Happens all the time, where the guy driving the getaway car is charged with murder, too, when the robber(s) kill the store clerk.
IMHO, she may have been killed to amp up the charges to discourage such acts in the future.
Otherwise, there wasn't really that much to charge people with compared to the riots around the country last year (and ongoing, even if the MSM has looked the other way).
It's just as likely she was shot out of frustration for the reason you mention. The mannerisms of the guy who shot her would bear that out - he almost appeared to be committing a crime.
And, like clockwork, today you have calls to charge the rioters with her murder.
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But Trump was racist for wanting to keep out infected Chinese, or something. *****rollingeyes*****7
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But Trump was racist for wanting to keep out infected Chinese, or something. *****rollingeyes*****
@mountaineer
James Lindsay, king of your mom
@ConceptualJames
LOL
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5:55 PM · Jan 24, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1353476477174558723
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Raheem Kassam
@RaheemKassam
Oh man, CNN’s @RosaFlores just got annihilated by @RonDeSantisFL
Video: https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1346435204966207488
7:35 AM · Jan 5, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
I have to hand it to DeSantis lately, he's standing his ground.
He visited several Publix grocery stores in my area that are hosting medical personnel to distribute the vaccine -- people realize it's first come first serve and the local news is reporting that some are being turned away because they are NOT FL residents .... waaaa .... FL first .... elderly (65 and older) ... first responders .... then the general population. Let those visiting go back to where they came from and wait in the lines in their states.
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The LIES by Xiden and his Administration are getting tiresome. He has done nothing but lie on where Trump was on COVID. Does he really expect USA citizens to believe that crap?
These jack*sses just cannot continue to lie for four years and bad mouth Trump and get away with it. Even the dumbest among us will awaken...FINALLY!!!
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The LIES by Xiden and his Administration are getting tiresome. He has done nothing but lie on where Trump was on COVID. Does he really expect USA citizens to believe that crap?
These jack*sses just cannot continue to lie for four years and bad mouth Trump and get away with it. Even the dumbest among us will awaken...FINALLY!!!
It's the Big Lie technique. They just keep repeating the same shit. A lot of people will believe them, and it's tedious as hell trying to keep up with refuting them. Even when you provide evidence, they won't look and just keep spouting the same effluent. :shrug:
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The Chinesee have started testing for the Rona with anal swabs because; “What we've found is that in some infected patients, the coronavirus survives for a longer period of time in their digestive tract or excrement than in their respiratory tract.â€
(http://“What we've found is that in some infected patients, the coronavirus survives for a longer period of time in their digestive tract or excrement than in their respiratory tract.â€)
Good to know. I for one will not be sniffing around to test that theory. Doctor Fauci?
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The Chinesee have started testing for the Rona with anal swabs because; “What we've found is that in some infected patients, the coronavirus survives for a longer period of time in their digestive tract or excrement than in their respiratory tract.â€
(http://“What we've found is that in some infected patients, the coronavirus survives for a longer period of time in their digestive tract or excrement than in their respiratory tract.â€)
Good to know. I for one will not be sniffing around to test that theory. Doctor Fauci?
Man I can see them lining up for testing in San Francisco, West Hollywood..............
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Man I can see them lining up for testing in San Francisco, West Hollywood..............
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Oh ya. The Lube bottle (lower right) might skew the results?
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Oh ya. The Lube bottle (lower right) might skew the results?
D@MN! (If they'd just wait they could swab what's in the cup....)
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MediaResearchCenter
@theMRC
One year ago today, this is what the media were saying about COVID-19.
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9:01 AM · Jan 29, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/theMRC/status/1355153977013366794
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MediaResearchCenter
@theMRC
One year ago today, this is what the media were saying about COVID-19.
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9:01 AM · Jan 29, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/theMRC/status/1355153977013366794
Wow how could they ever have been so wrong, I don't think we have had even one flu death in America in the last year.