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Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
By Daniel Uria
April 14 (UPI) -- Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind., officially announced his presidential bid on Sunday afternoon.
Buttigieg addressed a capacity crowd at Studebaker Building 84, a former car factory in downtown South Bend that has been converted into hub for tech startups, where he outlined his campaign messages centered around the three pillars of security, democracy and freedom.
"My name is Pete Buttigieg. They call me Mayor Pete. I am a proud son of South Bend, Indiana and I'm running for president of the United States," he said. "I recognize the audacity of doing this as a Midwestern millennial mayor. More than a little bold -- at age 37 to seek the highest office in the land."
Read more at: https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/04/14/Pete-Buttigieg-officially-announces-2020-presidential-bid/6481555273916/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/04/14/Pete-Buttigieg-officially-announces-2020-presidential-bid/6481555273916/)
Joyce Karam
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Here it is. Mayor #PeteButtigieg â¦@PeteButtigiegâ© announces run for President.
First openly Gay candidate for President, speaks Arabic, Norwegian, Spanish, Italian (2 more). Video:
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1117508934003253248 (https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1117508934003253248)
Joyce Karam further tweeted:
His last name originates from Arabic (but he’s not Arab), meaning أبو دجاج (father of chickens). Familiar last name in Lebanon. His father immigrated from Greece. Passed away in Jan.
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"Peter Buttigieg!"
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Just one more clown in the overcrowded clown car.
HRC jumps in within one month of Biden announcing, or she announces in the Fall. Either way, clowns like Buttigieg fall fast by the wayside.
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I heard him speak; excellent delivery. Look up Pete Buttigieg on Wikipedia. He has terrific history and accomplishments. Trump could not match him on education accomplishments and military experience. Pete could win if not gay and could win because of being gay.
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I heard him speak; excellent delivery. Look up Pete Buttigieg on Wikipedia. He has terrific history and accomplishments. Trump could not match him on education accomplishments and military experience. Pete could win if not gay and could win because of being gay.
@Victoria33
He would not even be able to win a Statewide office in Deep Red, pretty deep red Indiana. I think they rarely vote D in the Hoosier state, though, they might have for Obama in 2008. That was a bad year for Republicans.
This really is why Buttigieg is going this way. Indiana is very Republican. He would have a hard time running for Prez as Senator Buttigieg from Indiana. Governor and probably barely as a Rep from there unless, you are running in urban Indianapolis.
And maybe a "college town" elects some guy who makes his sexual orientation known. I don't know. I'd hope ND could be better than that.
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South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) on Sunday made his call to scrap the Electoral College part of his 2020 campaign launch.
“We can’t say it’s much of a democracy when twice in my lifetime the Electoral College has overruled the American people," he said during a rally in South Bend as he officially announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.
Seems like mayor Pete doesn't believe in the Constitution. That qualifies him to run as a democommie.
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In a way, I can see how Pete might have a bit of charisma and attract some segments of the population. I can see that, he's probably better as far as I see, than Kamala Harris, who I don't care for a bit. Also, he may think he has something to offer the public, this can be a stepping stone. If a Dem were elected president, they could probably find some cabinet job for him.
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I heard him speak; excellent delivery. Look up Pete Buttigieg on Wikipedia. He has terrific history and accomplishments. Trump could not match him on education accomplishments and military experience. Pete could win if not gay and could win because of being gay.
Or he could lose. I don't see him breaking through the Primaries. Being gay makes no difference to me.
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@Victoria33
I'd hope ND could be better than that.
Nope, ND is not better than that.
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Nope, ND is not better than that.
How did North Dakota get tangled up in this? Or is that Notre Dame?
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Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise
By Jonathan Easley - 04/15/19 06:00 AM EDT
Pete Buttigieg’s meteoric rise as a presidential candidate is putting a spotlight on his years as mayor of South Bend, Ind., including his demotion of an African American police chief.
An Indiana judge will rule soon on whether to release five cassette tapes of secretly recorded conversations between South Bend police officers that led to the 2012 demotion of Police Chief Darryl Boykins, the city’s first ever black police chief. ...
Buttigieg’s critics say he’s gone to great lengths to conceal the contents of the tapes, which some believe could include racist language by white police officers. ... Story at The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise#.XLRs59xsZ6Y.twitter)
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@austingirl
@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
austingirl, about Pete B. saying, “We can’t say it’s much of a democracy when twice in my lifetime the Electoral College has overruled the American people,..."
Trump also wants to do away with the Electoral College, at least he did before he won. He wants whatever makes him win; he cares nothing about the constitution; it is a hindrance to him if it limits his power.
Some here will say I "love" Pete. I am stating facts; the truth about your opposition is the first step to winning over him/her.
This Pete guy has crammed so much into his 37 years on this earth - all of it one success after another. His mother and father were Ph.D. professors. People should read about Pete on Wikipedia so they know what Trump is up against. Trump will not win a debate with Pete. When you get a chance to hear Pete, you will see how "cool" he is. When you listen to him/see his demeanor while talking, erase your political beliefs. Evaluate him as though you are a liberal; think in terms of Independent voters and Democrat voters - how they will relate to him.
Upon graduating from Harvard in 2005, Buttigieg was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship and in 2007 he received first-class honors in philosophy, politics and economics from Pembroke College, Oxford.
Look at the languages he has mastered. Look at his master of guitar and piano:
Buttigieg is a polyglot. He taught himself to speak Norwegian and is also conversational in Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Farsi, and French. Buttigieg plays guitar and piano, and in 2013 performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra as a guest piano soloist.
Look at his military record (Trump claimed heel bone spurs to stay out of war)
Buttigieg was commissioned as a naval intelligence officer in the Navy Reserve in 2009, and deployed to Afghanistan in 2014. After a seven-month deployment, Buttigieg returned to South Bend. He remained a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve until 2017.
Here is Trump's problem with Pete. Trump cannot attack him/make fun of him/give him a tacky name. I'm sure Trump can't even pronounce Pete's last name. Trump will try to use Pete's last name to embarrass him, but the embarrassment will be Trump's for not being able to pronounce Pete's last name.
Trump can't attack Pete's military service because Trump faked heel bone spurs and didn't serve.
Trump can't say he is smarter than Pete because Pete has his smarts on paper, the various awards he got for putting his high intelligence to good works.
The only thing Trump could use to attack Pete, is, he is gay however, Trump wants the gay vote, too. If Trump made fun of Pete's sexual orientation, those gays who now support Trump, will leave him and vote for Pete.
There are many Democrats running for president; Pete is going to move up the line to the front.
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Here's something he has in common with AOC, et al.
Buttigieg slams Electoral College for overruling popular vote 'twice in my lifetime'
By Michael Burke - 04/14/19 04:14 PM EDT
South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) on Sunday made his call to scrap the Electoral College part of his 2020 campaign launch.
“We can’t say it’s much of a democracy when twice in my lifetime the Electoral College has overruled the American people," he said during a rally in South Bend as he officially announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020.
"Why should our vote in Indiana only count once or twice in a century? Or your vote in Wyoming or New York?†Buttigieg added. ... The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438846-buttigieg-again-calls-for-eliminating-electoral-college)
And if you oppose him, you're just a homophobe.
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/04/15/13/pete-buttigieg2.jpg?width=668)
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@austingirl
@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
austingirl, about Pete B. saying, “We can’t say it’s much of a democracy when twice in my lifetime the Electoral College has overruled the American people,..."
Trump also wants to do away with the Electoral College, at least he did before he won. He wants whatever makes him win; he cares nothing about the constitution; it is a hindrance to him if it limits his power.
Some here will say I "love" Pete. I am stating facts; the truth about your opposition is the first step to winning over him/her.
This Pete guy has crammed so much into his 37 years on this earth - all of it one success after another. His mother and father were Ph.D. professors. People should read about Pete on Wikipedia so they know what Trump is up against. Trump will not win a debate with Pete. When you get a chance to hear Pete, you will see how "cool" he is. When you listen to him/see his demeanor while talking, erase your political beliefs. Evaluate him as though you are a liberal; think in terms of Independent voters and Democrat voters - how they will relate to him.
Upon graduating from Harvard in 2005, Buttigieg was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship and in 2007 he received first-class honors in philosophy, politics and economics from Pembroke College, Oxford.
Look at the languages he has mastered. Look at his master of guitar and piano:
Buttigieg is a polyglot. He taught himself to speak Norwegian and is also conversational in Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Farsi, and French. Buttigieg plays guitar and piano, and in 2013 performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra as a guest piano soloist.
Look at his military record (Trump claimed heel bone spurs to stay out of war)
Buttigieg was commissioned as a naval intelligence officer in the Navy Reserve in 2009, and deployed to Afghanistan in 2014. After a seven-month deployment, Buttigieg returned to South Bend. He remained a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve until 2017.
Here is Trump's problem with Pete. Trump cannot attack him/make fun of him/give him a tacky name. I'm sure Trump can't even pronounce Pete's last name. Trump will try to use Pete's last name to embarrass him, but the embarrassment will be Trump's for not being able to pronounce Pete's last name.
Trump can't attack Pete's military service because Trump faked heel bone spurs and didn't serve.
Trump can't say he is smarter than Pete because Pete has his smarts on paper, the various awards he got for putting his high intelligence to good works.
The only thing Trump could use to attack Pete, is, he is gay however, Trump wants the gay vote, too. If Trump made fun of Pete's sexual orientation, those gays who now support Trump, will leave him and vote for Pete.
There are many Democrats running for president; Pete is going to move up the line to the front.
@Victoria33
I find nothing in a democommie to admire.
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He may speak Arabic but he won't be welcome there. They barely tolerate women leaders. The gay thing might hurt him with minority voters who make up a big part of the Democrat vote and they seem to like Trump.
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Democrats will not nominate a white male in 2020. I think he's setting himself up for 2024 and beyond.
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@austingirl
@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
austingirl, about Pete B. saying, “We can’t say it’s much of a democracy when twice in my lifetime the Electoral College has overruled the American people,..."
Trump also wants to do away with the Electoral College, at least he did before he won. He wants whatever makes him win; he cares nothing about the constitution; it is a hindrance to him if it limits his power.
Some here will say I "love" Pete. I am stating facts; the truth about your opposition is the first step to winning over him/her.
This Pete guy has crammed so much into his 37 years on this earth - all of it one success after another. His mother and father were Ph.D. professors. People should read about Pete on Wikipedia so they know what Trump is up against. Trump will not win a debate with Pete. When you get a chance to hear Pete, you will see how "cool" he is. When you listen to him/see his demeanor while talking, erase your political beliefs. Evaluate him as though you are a liberal; think in terms of Independent voters and Democrat voters - how they will relate to him.
Upon graduating from Harvard in 2005, Buttigieg was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship and in 2007 he received first-class honors in philosophy, politics and economics from Pembroke College, Oxford.
Look at the languages he has mastered. Look at his master of guitar and piano:
Buttigieg is a polyglot. He taught himself to speak Norwegian and is also conversational in Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Farsi, and French. Buttigieg plays guitar and piano, and in 2013 performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra as a guest piano soloist.
Look at his military record (Trump claimed heel bone spurs to stay out of war)
Buttigieg was commissioned as a naval intelligence officer in the Navy Reserve in 2009, and deployed to Afghanistan in 2014. After a seven-month deployment, Buttigieg returned to South Bend. He remained a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve until 2017.
Here is Trump's problem with Pete. Trump cannot attack him/make fun of him/give him a tacky name. I'm sure Trump can't even pronounce Pete's last name. Trump will try to use Pete's last name to embarrass him, but the embarrassment will be Trump's for not being able to pronounce Pete's last name.
Trump can't attack Pete's military service because Trump faked heel bone spurs and didn't serve.
Trump can't say he is smarter than Pete because Pete has his smarts on paper, the various awards he got for putting his high intelligence to good works.
The only thing Trump could use to attack Pete, is, he is gay however, Trump wants the gay vote, too. If Trump made fun of Pete's sexual orientation, those gays who now support Trump, will leave him and vote for Pete.
There are many Democrats running for president; Pete is going to move up the line to the front.
Jobs created?
That's a good resume. It's really not one though, that shows someone has run government, has achieved in government. About creating a favorable economy where jobs are created, in fact, he'll probably go with now, what are Democratic staples like global warming and gun control.
And Buttigieg is a big pro-choicer. He isn't going to win Indiana Senator so why think he's going to win the US Presidency?
@Victoria33
You are just reading from a bio,
"... , and in 2013 performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra as a guest piano soloist."
This is like being a good debater or being a top graduate of one's class. That's good but it's not really the kind of stuff that generally makes or breaks a campaign. It's almost humorous to list things like this as accomplishments.
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Pe Butt, at his announcement, walked right over to his husband, and they kissed.
Picture the grand-ball at the white house. The newly elected President in a black tux, dancing with his husband, in a pink tux.
The future draws near. Will Rep. Omar help them adopt little babies from Somalia?
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If he had accomplishments like jobs created, believe me, we'd hear about that and not about speaking 5 different languages and at that, how good does he speak them?
One could make the case, he's parlaying minority status into this run.
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Joins the B-Boy,
Bernie, Biden, Beatoff, Booker
Pete Butt, might have "intersectionality" score to compete with "women of Color"
Harris might give way to Pete Butt-boy
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Jobs created?
That's a good resume. It's really not one though, that shows someone has run government, has achieved in government. About creating a favorable economy where jobs are created, in fact, he'll probably go with now, what are Democratic staples like global warming and gun control.
And Buttigieg is a big pro-choicer. He isn't going to win Indiana Senator so why think he's going to win the US Presidency?
@Victoria33 This is like being a good debater or being a top graduate of one's class. That's good but it's not really the kind of stuff that generally makes or breaks a campaign. It's almost humorous to list things like this as accomplishments.
@TomSea
@austingirl
@Cyber Liberty
austingirl, you said, "I find nothing in a democommie to admire."
This is not a post to admire Pete. It is an attempt to know about Pete and what his placement might be in the Democrat candidate list.
Tom, you said it was a good resume, but "It's really not one though, that shows someone has run government, has achieved in government. About creating a favorable economy where jobs are created.."
@TomSea , he also has experience in government office with good outcomes:
"Buttigieg was first elected mayor of South Bend in 2011 and was reelected in 2015. During his time as mayor of South Bend, Buttigieg's policies were widely credited with spurring economic growth and business investment. In 2013 he won GovFresh's Mayor of the Year award."
So, Trump can't say he has done nothing in government.
Maybe Pete will go down since he is gay; it is up to Independents who decide who becomes president. Historically, Dems are "some less" than 50% of voters across the nation, Republicans are "some less" than 50% of voters across the nation. It is Independents who make up the "some less" category and who gets their support, has historically won.
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He also has had some bad outcomes as mayor. I understand South Bend has a tremendous crime problem. Not sure what he's doing about that.
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@TomSea
@austingirl
@Cyber Liberty
austingirl, you said, "I find nothing in a democommie to admire."
This is not a post to admire Pete. It is an attempt to know about Pete and what his placement might be in the Democrat candidate list.
Tom, you said it was a good resume, but "It's really not one though, that shows someone has run government, has achieved in government. About creating a favorable economy where jobs are created.."
@TomSea , he also has experience in government office with good outcomes:
"Buttigieg was first elected mayor of South Bend in 2011 and was reelected in 2015. During his time as mayor of South Bend, Buttigieg's policies were widely credited with spurring economic growth and business investment. In 2013 he won GovFresh's Mayor of the Year award."
So, Trump can't say he has done nothing in government.
Maybe Pete will go down since he is gay; it is up to Independents who decide who becomes president. Historically, Dems are "some less" than 50% of voters across the nation, Republicans are "some less" than 50% of voters across the nation. It is Independents who make up the "some less" category and who gets their support, has historically won.
@Victoria33
I think Pete is just playing up his victim hood status. He's won something with yougov , a good rating?
What's so much more special about Pete than mayors of other cities that size? Muncie, Indiana or how about Redondo Beach California or Iowa City, Iowa? Gulf Port, Mississippi.
The only reason we know about this guy is probably because he is gay.
What has Trump done? I'm not going to go by "yougov", that might even be internet polling.
Your former governor of TX started a war in Iraq that has heavily threatened the very existence of Christianity that's been there for 2000 years in Iraq and Syria. He's not to be solely blamed but I do believe he and Obama even moreso, do have some responsibility. Trump's done nothing like that, maybe open your eyes for a change. Trump's management of the war over there has brought it into a great decline. Has Pete done this?
I hate mentioning divisive things but you actually force others into it by being derisive of the president.
Pete sopped the North Koreans from firing missiles? Nope again.
Pete on record as having the lowest unemployment rates of African Americans? Not on a nationwide basis.
So, again, like other Anti-Trumpers you make statements but they often don't have a foundation.
Pete cut off funds from planned parenthood? Assuredly, Pete is for planned parenthood but Trump has cutt off such funds.
And again, if this guy wasn't gay, would we know him from the mayor of Spokane Washington? Chandler Arizona? Bakersfield California? Ann Arbor Michigan? He's playing his minority status up for political gain. You've got mayors all across the US.
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Democrats will not nominate a white male in 2020. I think he's setting himself up for 2024 and beyond.
By that time, AOC will be eligible, and you KNOW she has her eyes on that prize.
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@TomSea
You said, "I hate mentioning divisive things but you actually force others into it by being derisive of the president."
This post is about Pete B and his accomplishments - how those could cause him to move up in the Democrat poll of candidates, and it compares his qualities with Trump in that Trump couldn't dump on him about various subjects where Pete has more credibility. These are facts, just facts. My opinion of Trump is not here.
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Pete "All Lives matter" Buttigieg demoted a black police chief. That's a really bad optic.
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@Victoria33 is right - Buttigieg has the potential to be a very formidable candidate. His views are progressive, but his tone is moderate and his message inclusive. He is in stark contrast to the rest of the announced Dem candidates, who are cartoons all. He is already polling third in New Hampshire and Iowa, behind only the two old guys.
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@Victoria33 is right - Buttigieg has the potential to be a very formidable candidate. His views are progressive, but his tone is moderate and his message inclusive. He is in stark contrast to the rest of the announced Dem candidates, who are cartoons all. He is already polling third in New Hampshire and Iowa, behind only the two old guys.
@Jazzhead
Thanks, Jazzhead. You are evaluating facts, not getting stuck in the mud by defending another candidate, come hell or high water. Pete's smarts, proven by his record, should allow him to shine in a debate. His speech manner is very good, calmly explaining what he believes. No Dem will say anything about his mate choice - remains to be seen if Trump does.
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Think it's possible that Buttgigger could catch fire and be in the top tier of the pack, possibly even stealing votes from Biden and Bernie.
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I would not vote for ANY openly homosexual politician, Republican or otherwise. Male or female, makes no difference.
Won't be gettin' any love from me!
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Mayor Pete does not get to first base. American courts may well debase the act of marriage, and recognize the LGBQT community as a discriminated entity, but the vast majority of American voters will not elect someone from those ranks to be POTUS. Mayor of a small city is one thing, POTUS is another. Not going to happen in my lifetime, you can count on it.
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@TomSea
You said, "I hate mentioning divisive things but you actually force others into it by being derisive of the president."
This post is about Pete B and his accomplishments - how those could cause him to move up in the Democrat poll of candidates, and it compares his qualities with Trump in that Trump couldn't dump on him about various subjects where Pete has more credibility. These are facts, just facts. My opinion of Trump is not here.
Some more facts, North Korea has not fired off missiles in a year. Again, thank Trump's predecessors for that. That's talking about nuclear war. If you want to say Pete Buttigieg's accomplishments are bigger than that. Have at it.
Experts Blame Obama for North Korea's New Nukes
Usually, smart political observers ignore opposing presidential candidates clamoring to blame the sitting president for an international crisis. This time, however, it's not mere partisanship.
Tim Mak 01.10.16 12:15 AM ET
https://www.thedailybeast.com/experts-blame-obama-for-north-koreas-new-nukes (https://www.thedailybeast.com/experts-blame-obama-for-north-koreas-new-nukes)
North Korea: How Obama, Bush, Clinton dealt with the rogue nation
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-north-korea-obama-past-presidents-20170810-htmlstory.html (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-north-korea-obama-past-presidents-20170810-htmlstory.html)
Coming in and salvaging the Iraq war, which spiraled out of control producing terrorists like we could not imagine.
Iran Nuke Deal is another thing.
But Pete's accomplishments in speaking 5 languages or playing piano are greater accomplishments. Got it. A bigger accomplishment than giving blacks and all time low rate of unemployment is another one.
And the guy is an abortion nut, probably backing up the Democrats late term abortion forays, some say even infanticide. Got it.
You hate Trump so much, you want to be blind to the truth. Well, he didn't put Christians in a lurch like ya'll's Texas governor and that is pretty easy to find as true with any research.
@Victoria33
I'm done.
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@Victoria33 is not expressing hatred of Trump. She is pointing out that Pete Buttgeig is a rival to be taken seriously. He is expressing a unique perspective, at least so far, in this race - he is speaking of reconciliation, and the bridging of differences, in the context of shared values. I feel that if I were to speak to him, he'd listen to me. Not that I'd persuade him- no doubt he's a progressive and a partisan - but there could be a dialogue. Not like a hardcase like Kamala Harris. She wants to kill me and my kind. She's a tribalist, same as Trump. Buttigieg will catch more flies with honey. And that is why he is the Dem candidates that some of us recognize may pose the biggest threat to Trump
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He has done nothing, he's running as a homosexual; as an oppressed minority. He hasn't prevented potential nuclear war like Trump has, he hasn't stopped the persecution of Christians like Trump has, in general statements. The guy is in an infertile relationship, can't produce babies but other abortion nuts will talk him up.
JH probably doesn't like Trump because he's big with Evangelicals whom he apparently despises.
Compared to mayors, Columbia South Carolina, Peoria Illinois, Tyler Texas... I doubt if he has distinguished himself.
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"I think there's a feeling here that it's disingenuous to pretend that one person had solely to do with any of the progress made here in South Bend," Critchlow said. "I think there's been literally decades of public servants that have gotten us to where we are today."
And it's still far from a complete turnaround. More than a quarter of the population still lives at or below the poverty line, compared to the national average of around 14 percent.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/14/712412977/pete-buttigieg-helped-transform-south-bend-as-mayor-but-some-feel-left-out (https://www.npr.org/2019/04/14/712412977/pete-buttigieg-helped-transform-south-bend-as-mayor-but-some-feel-left-out)
And Bernie has cracked open a lead in the polls for the Dems.
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I would not vote for ANY openly homosexual politician, Republican or otherwise. Male or female, makes no difference.
Won't be gettin' any love from me!
Same here. I get the distinct impression they'd be representing (first, last, always, and disproportionately) that 1-2% at the expense of everyone else.
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@Fishrman said, "would not vote for ANY openly homosexual politician, Republican or otherwise. Male or female, makes no difference. Won't be gettin' any love from me!
@Smokin Joe said, "Same here. I get the distinct impression they'd be representing (first, last, always, and disproportionately) that 1-2% at the expense of everyone else.
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@Fishrrman
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
@TomSea
Certainly/hopefully none here would vote for Pete B. He would base his govn./our govn. in these United States on homosexuals' wants/what he thinks they need. He would do this for all minorities in order to make every minority "feel good". The facts below add to an understanding of how smart he is. Smarts matter.
One can estimate IQ based on years of behavior. When I did evaluations for Social Security Disability payments, whether they got it or not, I was required to estimate the person's intelligence before the disability happened. I estimated IQ based on their previous jobs and their extra curricular activities. (I also tested them then to get a valid IQ number at that present time.) Pete B's accomplishments tell me he is extremely bright. The fact he knows so many languages and plays piano to the extent he can solo with a symphony orchestra, are facts that add to his intelligence score. That is why it is important to know these facts to help determine what his abilities are.
He is definitely smarter than Trump. Pete's knowledge of the English language, his delivery of words, would hurt Trump in a debate. Pete B would be/likely is now, up on every aspect of federal government.
Saw on TV today, Tuesday, Pete said the Democrat party can't revolve around Trump's personality. He said Democrats need to call out Trump then quickly move on to their message. About getting blacks on their side, he said, "We have our work cut out for us."
I saw yesterday, Pete is third now behind Biden/Sanders. Will he pass them?
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Denise McAllister
â€Verified account @McAllisterDen
I am constantly amazed by conservatives and libertarians who get tingles down their legs when a Democrat is well spoken even though he stands for everything contrary to principles of liberty. We live in a shallow age and we will drown in puddles.
10:37 PM - 15 Apr 2019
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Gay Is the New Black: The Buttigieg Candidacy
By D. C. McAllister January 24, 2019
We need to talk about Pete Buttigieg and why his candidacy for president in the age of identity politics is negatively disruptive — though this certainly doesn’t mean he shouldn’t run. He’s the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and the first openly gay candidate to run for president. It’s not a comfortable discussion. I’ll be called a homophobe for having it. But it’s necessary, so let’s dive right in.
The politics of the Democratic Party is driven by an ideology that pits one group against another. Blacks against whites. Gays against straights. Women against men. Political agendas and views are often put in that frame. We saw the consequences of this during Barack Obama’s reign as the first black president. If you criticized him, you were called a racist. Almost all statements and judgments regarding his policies and performance were filtered through the lens of identity politics.
This was true with the candidacy of Hillary Clinton as well. Democrats tried to put any criticism of her agenda in that context. Women who opposed her were called traitors to their sex. Men who refused to vote for her were inevitably called misogynists who didn’t want a female president. ...
My criticism here is not of Buttigieg or his sexual orientation. I’m not opposed to having a gay president — his sex life doesn’t matter to me. His policies do. When I say that the last thing our country needs in an age of identity politics is a president whose stand-out characteristic as generated by the media is that he’s gay, I’m focusing on a cultural problem, not a problem with the candidate. ...
More at PJ Media (https://pjmedia.com/trending/gay-is-the-new-black-the-buttigieg-candidacy/)
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Denise McAllister
â€Verified account @McAllisterDen
I am constantly amazed by conservatives and libertarians who get tingles down their legs when a Democrat is well spoken even though he stands for everything contrary to principles of liberty. We live in a shallow age and we will drown in puddles.
10:37 PM - 15 Apr 2019
Word.
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Denise McAllister
â€Verified account @McAllisterDen
I am constantly amazed by conservatives and libertarians who get tingles down their legs when a Democrat is well spoken even though he stands for everything contrary to principles of liberty. We live in a shallow age and we will drown in puddles.
10:37 PM - 15 Apr 2019
This is not what I (and, I believe, @Victoria33) are saying. I know full well Buttigieg is progressive. But he frames himself in a context of inclusiveness and shared values - unlike any of the other Dem candidates. That makes him a potentially formidable opponent, because Trump is his polar opposite. Trump is as enraptured with identity politics and the tribal message of "us vs. them" as most of the Dems are.
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This is not what I (and, I believe, @Victoria33) are saying. I know full well Buttigieg is progressive. But he frames himself in a context of inclusiveness and shared values - unlike any of the other Dem candidates. That makes him a potentially formidable opponent, because Trump is his polar opposite. Trump is as enraptured with identity politics and the tribal message of "us vs. them" as most of the Dems are.
@Jazzhead
Jazz, you and I are evaluating possible election outcomes, has nothing to do with your candidate likes or my candidate likes. Some people can't stand back and evaluate; they are stuck in praise of their candidate no matter what is happening around that candidate. It is important to know as much as possible about those running for your office. Will watch Pete B. rise or fall.
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On an objective basis, Buttigieg presents a much more intelligent, less radical persona than any of the other Dem candidates.
For that reason, I think he has a chance to win the Dem nomination.
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On an objective basis, Buttigieg presents a much more intelligent, less radical persona than any of the other Dem candidates.
For that reason, I think he has a chance to win the Dem nomination.
Yes, in a way he is less radical, but he announced that he and his husband want to have a baby. I'm not so sure how that will play out, though it may be seen as political correct and an "aw" moment.
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Andrew Wilkow is brilliantly decimating Buttigieg now on his show. He's not in the least impressed by the small town mayor and his lack of knowledge of and reverence for the Constitution.
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When I think that it was primarily Notre Dame students that are responsible for Buttwipe's career, all I can think now is that the wrong Notre Dame burned.
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Yes, in a way he is less radical, but he announced that he and his husband want to have a baby. I'm not so sure how that will play out, though it may be seen as political correct and an "aw" moment.
It all depends on how socially radical the Dem base (those voting in the primaries) is relative to the rest of the population.
Under a certain age, homosexuality is no big deal. They've been successfully brainwashed. So that might not matter.
I see him as another token candidate, BUT he is certainly articulate and intelligent, and a certain person we all know, but are not permitted to criticize, continues with his word salad gobbledygook.
If they are looking for a contrast in that to him, Pete will do well. If they are looking for a moral contrast, well, there isn't much of one.
It appears he will not be going down the radical socialist road, so he may have that in his favor too.
Again, it all depends on the Dem primary voters. I think he has a chance to beat the crazies.
And in truth, I don't think any of the leftist nutcases have a chance to beat the incumbent. Unless he is primaried, we're stuck for another four years.
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I see him as another token candidate, BUT he is certainly articulate and intelligent
Just like BHO in every respect, then.
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Just like BHO in every respect, then.
Yes, Buttigieg is every bit as anti-American as Bammy.
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Yes, Buttigieg is every bit as anti-American as Bammy.
Exactly. The same political point of view - including disdain for the Constitution - as well as being a bright, articulate member of a persecuted minority (in Pete's case, homosexuals).
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Pete Buttigieg's father was a Marxist professor who lauded the Communist Manifesto
by Emily Larsen
& Joseph Simonson
| April 02, 2019 12:02 AM
The father of Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg was a Marxist professor who spoke fondly of the Communist Manifesto and dedicated a significant portion of his academic career to the work of Italian Communist Party founder Antonio Gramsci, an associate of Vladimir Lenin.
Joseph Buttigieg, who died in January at the age of 71, immigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s from Malta and in 1980 joined the University of Notre Dame faculty, where he taught modern European literature and literary theory. He supported an updated version of Marxism that jettisoned some of Marx and Engel's more doctrinaire theories, though he was undoubtedly Marxist.
He was an adviser to Rethinking Marxism, an academic journal that published articles “that seek to discuss, elaborate, and/or extend Marxian theory,†and a member of the editorial collective of Boundary 2, a journal of postmodern theory, literature, and culture. He spoke at many Rethinking Marxism conferences and other gatherings of prominent Marxists. ... Full story (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pete-buttigiegs-father-was-a-marxist-professor-who-lauded-the-communist-manifesto)
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Exactly. The same political point of view - including disdain for the Constitution - as well as being a bright, articulate member of a persecuted minority (in Pete's case, homosexuals).
Only in Pete's case? :pondering:
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Only in Pete's case? :pondering:
What was I thinking?!? :shrug: :laugh:
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Jazz, you and I are evaluating possible election outcomes, has nothing to do with your candidate likes or my candidate likes. Some people can't stand back and evaluate; they are stuck in praise of their candidate no matter what is happening around that candidate. It is important to know as much as possible about those running for your office. Will watch Pete B. rise or fall.
@Victoria33 @Jazzhead
So, I guess that would make the begged question, "Who is better for the USA: A soft spoken Democrat Socialist or a rough talking Republican?" :pondering:
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@Victoria33 @Jazzhead
So, I guess that would make the begged question, "Who is better for the USA: A soft spoken Democrat Socialist or a rough talking Republican?" :pondering:
I can see the debate now.....
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Just like BHO in every respect, then.
Indeed.
And there are many who will see him only as he presents himself to be, and be proud of voting for the first homosexual candidate for President, just like they did with Obama and his being black.
They won't know or care if he's a Marxist, pro-abortion or anything else. (Or if his ancestors were slave traders).
One thing we know we can count on with the left (and unfortunately too many on the right) is that they are abjectly ignorant, and that the facts don't matter.
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@Victoria33 @Jazzhead
So, I guess that would make the begged question, "Who is better for the USA: A soft spoken Democrat Socialist or a rough talking Republican?" :pondering:
@Cyber Liberty
That's not the discussion they were having. @Victoria33 clearly said that no one here would vote for him.
The question is whether or not he can win the Democrat nomination.
And I think, because he presents himself as more moderate than the gaggle of socialists he'll be running against, and because he IS intelligent, he has a good chance of getting the nomination.
(Depending, as I said earlier, on whether or not the Dem primary voters are as daft as the majority of their candidates).
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@Cyber Liberty
That's not the discussion they were having. @Victoria33 clearly said that no one here would vote for him.
The question is whether or not he can win the Democrat nomination.
And I think, because he presents himself as more moderate than the gaggle of socialists he'll be running against, and because he IS intelligent, he has a good chance of getting the nomination.
(Depending, as I said earlier, on whether or not the Dem primary voters are as daft as the majority of their candidates).
We'll have to agree to disagree about how I read a couple of posts, as usual agreeably. :cool:
I think he has a decent chance too. As long as he can keep his radicalism under wraps. That he is soft spoken in the age of Trump is a plus for many. Probably won't earn him one TBR vote. If he won he would be every bit as bad as Obama, right down to the weaponization of the instruments of the Executive office, to the delighted squee of the damned press. We'll be finished as a country.
It really depends on how many people really hate Donald Trump.
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@Victoria33 @Jazzhead
So, I guess that would make the begged question, "Who is better for the USA: A soft spoken Democrat Socialist or a rough talking Republican?" :pondering:
Can you guess that my answer is neither? The emergence of someone with Obama-like appeal (remember, Obama ran his first campaign on a feigned platform of inclusion and reconciliation) ought to be a wake-up call to Republicans. We CAN do better than Trump - indeed we MUST do better if we hope to continue his policy directions.
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Indeed.
And there are many who will see him only as he presents himself to be, and be proud of voting for the first homosexual candidate for President, just like they did with Obama and his being black.
Precisely. Folks don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils. Folks want to see our country as coming together, not pulling apart. Folks want to feel like they are supporting a candidate who espouses empathy and tolerance, not tribal emnity. In short, folks want to support a candidate that they can be proud of.
That's what I want. And that's why I want a Republican alternative to Donald Trump.
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Precisely. Folks don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils. Folks want to see our country as coming together, not pulling apart. Folks want to feel like they are supporting a candidate who espouses empathy and tolerance, not tribal emnity. In short, folks want to support a candidate that they can be proud of.
That's what I want. And that's why I want a Republican alternative to Donald Trump.
If Donald Trump decides to run for reelection you aren't getting one. Fact.
So what now? Third Party? Rat? I don't envy your alternatives. Life's lonely on that soapbox you have there.
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Precisely. Folks don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils. Folks want to see our country as coming together, not pulling apart. Folks want to feel like they are supporting a candidate who espouses empathy and tolerance, not tribal emnity. In short, folks want to support a candidate that they can be proud of.
That's what I want. And that's why I want a Republican alternative to Donald Trump.
I guess I'm the simple one, then. I want a president who comes the closest to pursuing policies I support.
As goofy as Trump can be, he comes closest to fitting that description, by miles.
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If Donald Trump decides to run for reelection you aren't getting one. Fact.
So what now? Third Party? Rat? I don't envy your alternatives. Life's lonely on that soapbox you have there.
Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
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Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
Word.
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Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
I learned from experience as a youngster too young to vote that politics is almost always a negative proposition. I typically vote against people, not for them and that's a pity because I never get what I want. :shrug:
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Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
Sadly, I put little faith in the GOP. They have collectively managed to drop the ball instead of moving it downfield in the right direction more times than I can count. They have squandered opportunity after opportunity, despite being elected expressly over Conservative issues (the TEA party class, for instance), and like idiots try to negotiate starting with what they want, not well past that and end up giving ground every time.
I would love to see a return to our Constitution in Government, but neither major Party is interested in that.
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Sadly, I put little faith in the GOP. They have collectively managed to drop the ball instead of moving it downfield in the right direction more times than I can count. They have squandered opportunity after opportunity, despite being elected expressly over Conservative issues (the TEA party class, for instance), and like idiots try to negotiate starting with what they want, not well past that and end up giving ground every time.
I would love to see a return to our Constitution in Government, but neither major Party is interested in that.
:beer:
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Sadly, I put little faith in the GOP. They have collectively managed to drop the ball instead of moving it downfield in the right direction more times than I can count. They have squandered opportunity after opportunity, despite being elected expressly over Conservative issues (the TEA party class, for instance), and like idiots try to negotiate starting with what they want, not well past that and end up giving ground every time.
I would love to see a return to our Constitution in Government, but neither major Party is interested in that.
You gotta live in the world as it is, not as you'd wish it to be. What conservatives have is the instrument of the GOP, a coalition of conservatives and others, a necessary requirement to form majorities and win elections. We do not live in a world where TEA party-style Constitutionalism commands majority support; not even close.
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Sadly, I put little faith in the GOP. They have collectively managed to drop the ball instead of moving it downfield in the right direction more times than I can count. They have squandered opportunity after opportunity, despite being elected expressly over Conservative issues (the TEA party class, for instance), and like idiots try to negotiate starting with what they want, not well past that and end up giving ground every time.
I would love to see a return to our Constitution in Government, but neither major Party is interested in that.
The sad reality of America today.
There is no longer a (major) party that even pretends to represent us.
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The sad reality of America today.
There is no longer a (major) party that even pretends to represent us.
:amen:
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You gotta live in the world as it is, not as you'd wish it to be. What conservatives have is the instrument of the GOP, a coalition of conservatives and others, a necessary requirement to form majorities and win elections. We do not live in a world where TEA party-style Constitutionalism commands majority support; not even close.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
@Jazzhead
This is something I can agree with 100%. You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want.
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I'm still having a hard time thinking, "Buddha-judge" and not "Butty-gay" when I see his name. It will take some time, I'm sure.
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I'm still having a hard time thinking, "Buddha-judge" and not "Butty-gay" when I see his name. It will take some time, I'm sure.
I felt that way when the big name in the news was "Joey Buttafuoco."
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Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
Good people don't want to bother with running for office. With the way the Press treats them, who could blame them?
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Good people don't want to bother with running for office. With the way the Press treats them, who could blame them?
True. I ran for state legislature in 2012 and narrowly lost. Just the other night, Mr. M commented that if I ran in the next election (2020), who knows what the Democrats and the media would accuse me of doing, no matter how untrue. How does one overcome a mountain of lies?
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True. I ran for state legislature in 2012 and narrowly lost. Just the other night, Mr. M commented that if I ran in the next election (2020), who knows what the Democrats and the media would accuse me of doing, no matter how untrue. How does one overcome a mountain of lies?
Which is precisely how The Left wants it.
Which is some of the reason, why I give Trump a pass. Why would he give up the life he had, with all the wealth and fame, to take the arrows which have come his way? I know I wouldn't.
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Good people don't want to bother with running for office. With the way the Press treats them, who could blame them?
True, and it's also hindering the Trump administration in its search to find candidates to serve in Cabinet positions and elsewhere in the Federal bureaucracy. Years of delays, document requests and other anal probing are effectively keeping the "best people" from serving. The swamp can't be drained because, two years into his presidency, Trump can't get many of his people in.
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@TomSea
Who is going to vote for a guy named Pete Buttplug for president?
Other than the denizens of LA,that is.
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Pete could win if not gay and could win because of being gay.
@Victoria33
Well,it worked for Bathhouse Barry. He would have never gotten elected if he had been white.
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Secret tapes linger over Buttigieg's meteoric rise
By Jonathan Easley - 04/15/19 06:00 AM EDT
Pete Buttigieg’s meteoric rise as a presidential candidate is putting a spotlight on his years as mayor of South Bend, Ind., including his demotion of an African American police chief.
An Indiana judge will rule soon on whether to release five cassette tapes of secretly recorded conversations between South Bend police officers that led to the 2012 demotion of Police Chief Darryl Boykins, the city’s first ever black police chief. ...
Buttigieg’s critics say he’s gone to great lengths to conceal the contents of the tapes, which some believe could include racist language by white police officers. ... Story at The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/438669-secret-tapes-linger-over-buttigiegs-meteoric-rise#.XLRs59xsZ6Y.twitter)
@mountaineer
Anybody taking any bets on how much longer blacks are going to be "The Master Race" in America?
I'm saying MAYBE they have another 8 or 10 years left in control,but I am guessing less than 6 years before the His and Her Panics take over. Things may not go well for the blacks after that happens.
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True, and it's also hindering the Trump administration in its search to find candidates to serve in Cabinet positions and elsewhere in the Federal bureaucracy. Years of delays, document requests and other anal probing are effectively keeping the "best people" from serving. The swamp can't be drained because, two years into his presidency, Trump can't get many of his people in.
Trump has made it much more difficult with his mercurial leadership style. Why would anyone want to be considered for a job that will likely end six months after you're hired?
Sorry, I'm just not into that fealty thing, where my boss demands and expects unwavering, unquestioning loyalty.
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@austingirl
@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Look at his military record (Trump claimed heel bone spurs to stay out of war)
Buttigieg was commissioned as a naval intelligence officer in the Navy Reserve in 2009, and deployed to Afghanistan in 2014. After a seven-month deployment, Buttigieg returned to South Bend. He remained a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve until 2017.
Here is Trump's problem with Pete. Trump cannot attack him/make fun of him/give him a tacky name. I'm sure Trump can't even pronounce Pete's last name. Trump will try to use Pete's last name to embarrass him, but the embarrassment will be Trump's for not being able to pronounce Pete's last name.
Trump can't attack Pete's military service because Trump faked heel bone spurs and didn't serve.
PLEASE! Your hatred for Trump is showing through. The guy was a intelligence officer in the freaking Navy. He would have heard more gunfire if he had been stationed in DC.
Claiming he is a "war veteran" is like claiming Bo Biden is a war veteran because he was a JAG officer in a rear base camp in the Muddle East. Even then he probably had armed MP bodyguards following him everywhere he went in camp because of who his father is.
Kinda reminds me of a local geezer who walks around wearing an "Atomic Veterans" hat because he is a "veteran of the the dawn of the atomic age when we were worried about Russia nuking us." BIG freaking deal. So was my mother,and everyone else alive at that time. He joined the Air Force during the Korean War to avoid being drafted to go fight in the Korean War. I may be wrong,but I have been told he never left the US.
Trump can't say he is smarter than Pete because Pete has his smarts on paper, the various awards he got for putting his high intelligence to good works.
Yup,you are a groupie. I have no doubt you would be a Sharpton fan if Sharpie were running against Trump.
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He may speak Arabic but he won't be welcome there. They barely tolerate women leaders.
@Restored
HorseHillary! If he were to admit he likes banging little boys,they might make him a tribal leader.
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@TomSea
@austingirl
@Cyber Liberty
So, Trump can't say he has done nothing in government.
@Victoria33
The DNC is going to fire you if you can't do better than that. Trump never did "nothing" in government BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT because he never TRIED to do anything in government before running for,and WINNING the office of President of the United States. Now,I know that is not as impressive to you as winning a mayor's office in Indiana with the backing of the Dim Party,but most people would think being President is a bigger deal.
BTW,slight correction. Trump was VERY active in state and federal government before being elected president. Mostly due to having to bribe elected officials to get them to approve his building projects.
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@Victoria33 is not expressing hatred of Trump. She is pointing out that Pete Buttgeig is a rival to be taken seriously. He is expressing a unique perspective, at least so far, in this race - he is speaking of reconciliation, and the bridging of differences, in the context of shared values. I feel that if I were to speak to him, he'd listen to me. Not that I'd persuade him- no doubt he's a progressive and a partisan - but there could be a dialogue. Not like a hardcase like Kamala Harris. She wants to kill me and my kind. She's a tribalist, same as Trump. Buttigieg will catch more flies with honey. And that is why he is the Dem candidates that some of us recognize may pose the biggest threat to Trump
@Jazzhead
We iz da wurld.......
We iz da peep-pulls.....
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@Jazzhead
I know full well Buttigieg is progressive.
No,you don't,because he isn't. He is REGRESSIVE,not progressive. When you say he is "progressive" you are just babbling a brain fart,like when you call the left "liberal".
But he frames himself in a context of inclusiveness and shared values - unlike any of the other Dem candidates. That makes him a potentially formidable opponent,
Yeah,but mostly he is a formidable opponent because he doesn't scare voters,and a lot of people will vote for a "out" homo to "prove" how "open-minded I am". Just like they did for Bathhouse Barry.
Nobody but a certified fool is going to vote for him as president because he was a mayor of South Bend,Indiana for one term.
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On an objective basis, Buttigieg presents a much more intelligent, less radical persona than any of the other Dem candidates.
@musiclady
True,but the same could be said for most of the people in prison,and half the people in mental institutions.
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Yes, Buttigieg is every bit as anti-American as Bammy.
@austingirl
You misspelled "Buttplug".
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@Cyber Liberty
@musiclady
That's not the discussion they were having. @Victoria33 clearly said that no one here would vote for him.
Not true. I believe Victoria33 and several other anti-Trumpers will vote for him if it is him versus Trump. Maybe even if it is him versus anyone.
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Can you guess that my answer is neither? The emergence of someone with Obama-like appeal (remember, Obama ran his first campaign on a feigned platform of inclusion and reconciliation) ought to be a wake-up call to Republicans. We CAN do better than Trump - indeed we MUST do better if we hope to continue his policy directions.
@Jazzhead
And all we need to do to "win" is vote in a lying scumbag globalist liar like JEB,right?
I don't call that winning. Suicide by any other name is still a death.
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Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
@musiclady
Ain't you "special"? Have any videos of you doing your little "superiority dance",princess?
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Sadly, I put little faith in the GOP. They have collectively managed to drop the ball instead of moving it downfield in the right direction more times than I can count. They have squandered opportunity after opportunity, despite being elected expressly over Conservative issues (the TEA party class, for instance), and like idiots try to negotiate starting with what they want, not well past that and end up giving ground every time.
I would love to see a return to our Constitution in Government, but neither major Party is interested in that.
@Smokin Joe
Ironically enough,the death of the Republican Party is directly related to their biggest accomplishment,taking control over the presidency and congress back when Newt became Speaker of the House.
Instead of solidifying their hold and standards,they acted like a bunch of drunks at a Christmas Party,and gladly accepted any Dim into their ranks that wanted to switch parties. Not policies or contacts mind you,just party. What they did was stab every Republican in the back they had the opportunity to stab,and they got away with it. The modern Republican Party was destroyed from within when they were right at the height of their greatest achievements.
And those blind,unthinking fools just sat there and let it happen. Or worse,joined in with their new "Republican" friends because they were promised committee assignments and other advantages for helping. They even helped the DNC kick Gingrich out of politics over a "crime" that wasn't quite as serious as shoplifting by a teenager.
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True. I ran for state legislature in 2012 and narrowly lost. Just the other night, Mr. M commented that if I ran in the next election (2020), who knows what the Democrats and the media would accuse me of doing, no matter how untrue. How does one overcome a mountain of lies?
@mountaineer
The only way these days is to have the Party Machine behind you,and their buds in the press. Without them,it is hopeless unless you are a media celebrity like Trump.
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@austingirl
You misspelled "Buttplug".
@sneakypete
You say Buttplug, I say Buttgig. Tomato, tomahto.
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True, and it's also hindering the Trump administration in its search to find candidates to serve in Cabinet positions and elsewhere in the Federal bureaucracy. Years of delays, document requests and other anal probing are effectively keeping the "best people" from serving. The swamp can't be drained because, two years into his presidency, Trump can't get many of his people in.
The Cabinet is also hard to maintain because of public harassment by the Antifa types, like Nielsen and others have to face. Those types listened to Mad Maxine.
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The obvious answer for "what to do about Trump:"
Support him.
1. Admit you wre wrong during the 2016 primaries, which he won.
2. Admit you were wrong over the 2016 general, which he won.
3. Admit you were wrong over how he would govern.
4. Admit he is polling BETTER, than Reagan, B. Clinton and Obama at tthis point during their first terms.
4. Admit that 80+ percent of Republicans/conservatives support the duly elected Republican President.
5. Admit that alternatives like Weld are ridiculous, along with 3rd party efforts that only serve to fail.
Remember John Anderson in 1980? At the end of his career, he supported Nader.
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On an objective basis, Buttigieg presents a much more intelligent, less radical persona than any of the other Dem candidates.
For that reason, I think he has a chance to win the Dem nomination.
Ted Bundy presented a great demeanor to the public too. Who could believe such a handsome, well-spoken young man like Ted could be a vicious, serial killer?
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@musiclady
Ain't you "special"? Have any videos of you doing your little "superiority dance",princess?
Not as 'special' as you are @sneakypete . I could never compete with the number of times you've lorded your superiority over everyone else.
I'm not claiming superiority. I just have standards that don't blow with the winds of populism.
But that's not the point, really. I see that you've become an uber loyal Republican, and it kinda makes me chuckle. happy77
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Ted Bundy presented a great demeanor to the public too. Who could believe such a handsome, well-spoken young man like Ted could be a vicious, serial killer?
Once again, I think the guy is a wolf in wolf's clothing, but we're talking about the Dem base here.
They'll fall for him.
In fact, many who should know better already have.
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@musiclady
Not true. I believe Victoria33 and several other anti-Trumpers will vote for him if it is him versus Trump. Maybe even if it is him versus anyone.
That's a ridiculous accusation without any form of proof.
But don't let me get in the way of a good internet sound bite squabble with no facts behind it. *****rollingeyes*****
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Once again, I think the guy is a wolf in wolf's clothing, but we're talking about the Dem base here.
They'll fall for him.
In fact, many who should know better already have.
If they're honest (which they aren't), the only reason Bootyjunk is a big name now in Dem circles as a prez nominee is because he's a homosexual.
He did nothing in South Bend to deserve being considered prez timber. If he was straight, he wouldn't be voted in as dogcatcher in SB.
Having put a "black" man in the WH and narrowly missing putting a woman there, Dems are now hellbent on putting a homosexual there.
Bootyjunk's agenda indicates he is just another far left Dem nutjob.
And I'll plainly state here, at the risk of being flamed, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a leftist (or any) homosexual for president.
I wish they were all back in the closet where they belong. The love that dared not speak its name now won't shut up.
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If they're honest (which they aren't), the only reason Bootyjunk is a big name now in Dem circles as a prez nominee is because he's a homosexual.
He did nothing in South Bend to deserve being considered prez timber. If he was straight, he wouldn't be voted in as dogcatcher in SB.
Having put a "black" man in the WH and narrowly missing putting a woman there, Dems are now hellbent on putting a homosexual there.
Bootyjunk's agenda indicates he is just another far left Dem nutjob.
And I'll plainly state here, at the risk of being flamed, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a leftist (or any) homosexual for president.
I wish they were all back in the closet where they belong. The love that dared not speak its name now won't shut up.
Why would you be flamed for that? My guess is that the vast majority of Briefers are right there with you on this.
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Then I, apparently share the same soap box.
Rat is NEVER an alternative. Third Party stinks, but if it's all we've got, it's all we've got.
The Republicans need to come up with a viable alternative to Trump. But they won't. Because they're Republicans. And their values are expendable.
Fine! Trump has done a lot including a lot of pro-life acts. I'm a part of it. You aren't. Simple as that. Things are a lot better now, I'm glad I voted like I did.
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@Victoria33
The DNC is going to fire you if you can't do better than that. Trump never did "nothing" in government BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT because he never TRIED to do anything in government before running for,and WINNING the office of President of the United States. Now,I know that is not as impressive to you as winning a mayor's office in Indiana with the backing of the Dim Party,but most people would think being President is a bigger deal.
BTW,slight correction. Trump was VERY active in state and federal government before being elected president. Mostly due to having to bribe elected officials to get them to approve his building projects.
@Victoria33
You have done nothing but show yourself to be speaking for leftist causes. Simple as that again. Not really the image one would generally wish to project in this forum and it may well make one irrelevant. If we wanted to read the Democratic Underground, we could go there.
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The obvious answer for "what to do about Trump:"
Support him.
1. Admit you wre wrong during the 2016 primaries, which he won.
2. Admit you were wrong over the 2016 general, which he won.
3. Admit you were wrong over how he would govern.
4. Admit he is polling BETTER, than Reagan, B. Clinton and Obama at tthis point during their first terms.
4. Admit that 80+ percent of Republicans/conservatives support the duly elected Republican President.
5. Admit that alternatives like Weld are ridiculous, along with 3rd party efforts that only serve to fail.
Remember John Anderson in 1980? At the end of his career, he supported Nader.
Well, they’ll never admit to being wrong about Trump; it’s in their job description: NeverTrumper.
However, some early NeverTrumpers were capable of feeling shame and remorse for wrongly believing the corrupt, lying, democrat media and have already come over to the right, winning side.
To those smart folks, I say welcome to the sunny side of the street.
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The obvious answer for "what to do about Trump:"
Support him.
1. Admit you wre wrong during the 2016 primaries, which he won.
2. Admit you were wrong over the 2016 general, which he won.
3. Admit you were wrong over how he would govern.
4. Admit he is polling BETTER, than Reagan, B. Clinton and Obama at tthis point during their first terms.
4. Admit that 80+ percent of Republicans/conservatives support the duly elected Republican President.
5. Admit that alternatives like Weld are ridiculous, along with 3rd party efforts that only serve to fail.
Remember John Anderson in 1980? At the end of his career, he supported Nader.
I support Trump when he is right.
As for your little list,
1: He may have won, but I wasn't wrong.
2: I didn't want Hillary to win, that wasn't wrong. I figured Trump would, so handily in my state, that I voted for someone and a Party I could support. Trump got the electoral votes without my help, which he didn't need.
How was I wrong about that?
3: While the jury is still out on that, I have seen my tax deductions go away, ones which are integral to my work. I have seen no wall, the ACA is still largely in effect, and Hillary is at large.
There have been a couple of good things rapidly followed by an administrative assault on the RKBA, more alcohol in fuels, and mobs of judges and lawyers stymieing this administration at every turn, including the GOP. IOW, the swamp is perfectly safe at least for the moment.
I wasn't wrong, I didn't expect much, and I haven't been the least disappointed.
4: The only polls which mean jack are the ones on election day. The rest can be gimmicked a thousand ways from Sunday.
5: 80%? Well, what else are 'Pubbies and Conservatives going to do? Is there an alternative at this point? What disingenuous nonsense.
6: Lest you forget the "GOP" wasn't a major Party at one time, either. Harping on the old saw that you vote D or R or "waste your vote" has been a hugely effective mantra, admittedly, but that can change. As the Major parties coalesce into a group of self-serving globalist totalitarians and it becomes obvious to the rank and file (if we can pry them away from the bread and circuses), perhaps that will change. Either that, or the Republic will be lost, the Constitution a historical footnote, if it is even mentioned, and the economic collapse from making money out of thin air and servicing that debt will be the end of it.
(Why are we borrowing money from bankers when we could simply have monetized the debt through the use of United States Notes, without owing third parties interest?) Better yet, why are spending so much of the legacy of hardworking people and their descendants on things which at best kick the can down the road, and on people who will not fix their problems so long as they are subsidized for having them?
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Fine! Trump has done a lot including a lot of pro-life acts. I'm a part of it. You aren't. Simple as that. Things are a lot better now, I'm glad I voted like I did.
Phooey. My governor signed an act which prohibits shredding a baby to abort it. Not Trump.
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If they're honest (which they aren't), the only reason Bootyjunk is a big name now in Dem circles as a prez nominee is because he's a homosexual.
He did nothing in South Bend to deserve being considered prez timber. If he was straight, he wouldn't be voted in as dogcatcher in SB.
Having put a "black" man in the WH and narrowly missing putting a woman there, Dems are now hellbent on putting a homosexual there.
Bootyjunk's agenda indicates he is just another far left Dem nutjob.
And I'll plainly state here, at the risk of being flamed, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a leftist (or any) homosexual for president.
I wish they were all back in the closet where they belong. The love that dared not speak its name now won't shut up.
:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
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Being a homosexual, he will quickly draw the ire of the squawkers in the LGBTQC+ community. The thing they do best is picking each other apart. He'll be dodging shade for days.
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Buttgay planning ahead.
Pete Buttigieg would love to have Phish play at inauguration
By Yaron Steinbuch
April 19, 2019 | 7:42am
Democratic presidential hopeful Pete Buttigieg didn’t miss a beat when asked if he’d like to have the rock group Phish perform at his theoretical inaugural ball.
“If you could get Phish to do an inauguration, that would be something,†the 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Indiana, told a reporter for TMZ in the Big Apple on Thursday.
“Well, it’s worth a shot. Maybe we should ask them,†he added. “That’s a fun one to think about.†...
NY Post (https://nypost.com/2019/04/19/pete-buttigieg-would-love-to-have-phish-play-at-inauguration/)
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@Victoria33
You have done nothing but show yourself to be speaking for leftist causes. Simple as that again. Not really the image one would generally wish to project in this forum and it may well make one irrelevant. If we wanted to read the Democratic Underground, we could go there.
@TomSea @Victoria33
And there it is.
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Phooey. My governor signed an act which prohibits shredding a baby to abort it. Not Trump.
@Smokin Joe
And you are SURPRISED that a sitting President didn't sign a state bill written and approved by state legislators?
Seriously?
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Buttgay planning ahead.NY Post (https://nypost.com/2019/04/19/pete-buttigieg-would-love-to-have-phish-play-at-inauguration/)
@mountaineer
Never heard of them. I am guessing they don't have a big following amongst the heterosexual geezer generation? Are they one of those bands that just beat on their instruments and shriek in anger of something/anything/everything?
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@sneakypete
You said, "Not true. I believe Victoria33 and several other anti-Trumpers will vote for him if it is him versus Trump. Maybe even if it is him versus anyone."
I won't vote for Trump in the primary. Will vote for an acceptable Republican running against him if that happens. In the general election, will leave President's box empty if it is his name. I won't vote for a Democrat. Being in Texas, the Republican usually wins. The only Democrats in state office in Texas are a few judges.
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Being a homosexual, he will quickly draw the ire of the squawkers in the LGBTQC+ community. The thing they do best is picking each other apart. He'll be dodging shade for days.
@Restored
Did you see this article? There was a thread a couple of days ago- just as you said, the article is a gay slam against the "couple." It's already started.
https://spectator.us/first-ladies-chasten-buttigieg/?fbclid=IwAR30hofnPJOnehnRPAJJXbKjJFZKd_44kXVMFBOUqED7ipJTRVsopxFEnvk
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@sneakypete
You said, "Not true. I believe Victoria33 and several other anti-Trumpers will vote for him if it is him versus Trump. Maybe even if it is him versus anyone."
I won't vote for Trump in the primary. Will vote for an acceptable Republican running against him if that happens. In the general election, will leave President's box empty if it is his name. I won't vote for a Democrat. Being in Texas, the Republican usually wins. The only Democrats in state office in Texas are a few judges.
I doubt we'll see an "acceptable" Republican in the primary against Trump, because Ted will be sitting this one out.
The priority for me is to flip back those state house seats that flipped during the midterms. Beto will not be on the ballot to energize Democrats this time around. Democrats running for President will have to outdo each other with their liberal ideas, which will backfire in this more conservative state.
Millenials here are reaping the benefits of the strong economy in Texas, and won't fall for the AOCs and Bernies of the Democrats.
I'm on the fence regarding voting for Trump. I won't rule it out, if only because he has a year and a half remaining to get something done on border security.
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The Buttigieg's are the Amos and Andy of the LGBTQC+ world. They will go to a breeder to get a custom-designed gayby, tweet about the latest diets and exercises, talk about their biggest quarrels (what shows to watch), expound on the virtues of being judgment-free while trashing Pence and invite us into their hunt for a new "family" vehicle.
Oh I just can't wait.
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The Buttigieg's are the Amos and Andy of the LGBTQC+ world. They will go to a breeder to get a custom-designed gayby, tweet about the latest diets and exercises, talk about their biggest quarrels (what shows to watch), expound on the virtues of being judgment-free while trashing Pence and invite us into their hunt for a new "family" vehicle.
Oh I just can't wait.
I'm moving to Poland if this guy wins.
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@Victoria33 You have done nothing but show yourself to be speaking for leftist causes. Simple as that again. Not really the image one would generally wish to project in this forum and it may well make one irrelevant. If we wanted to read the Democratic Underground, we could go there.
@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
1. You said I was, "speaking for leftist causes."
1. Answer: I spoke of the man, Pete B's background. I do that, look at previous years and present actions for any candidate I want to know about, regardless of party. That is my own "opposition research".
2. You said, "You have done nothing but show yourself to be speaking for leftist causes. Not really the image one would generally wish to project in this forum and it may well make one irrelevant."
2. Answer: You have a deficient in understanding written language if you think I support "leftist" causes. Pete B. supports leftist causes to the max and wants to be president - that is the subject of the thread.
If I am "irrelevant" on the forum, I am sure the other two I pinged to this post will tell me to leave and/or they will jerk my credentials out of the safe, pick up my coffee cup and my wine glass, and dump all of them in the trash.
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Buttgay is superficially attractive. Acknowledging that doesn't = support. The sad truth is that a large percentage of voters don't go beyond the superficial. We need to work hard to get conservatives elected - across the board - in 2020.
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Buttgay is superficially attractive. Acknowledging that doesn't = support. The sad truth is that a large percentage of voters don't go beyond the superficial. We need to work hard to get conservatives elected - across the board - in 2020.
Dittos.
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Fine! Trump has done a lot including a lot of pro-life acts. I'm a part of it. You aren't. Simple as that. Things are a lot better now, I'm glad I voted like I did.
What arrogance to say that because you support Trump you are more important to the pro-life cause than those of us who have been involved in the movement for decades but haven't been swayed by a populist who recognizes that the popular winds are blowing against abortion.
I will NEVER regret my decision not to vote for a man who was pro-abortion his entire 70 years before he ran for President as a "Republican."
NEVER.
But your arrogance is duly noted.
@TomSea
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@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
1. You said I was, "speaking for leftist causes."
1. Answer: I spoke of the man, Pete B's background. I do that, look at previous years and present actions for any candidate I want to know about, regardless of party. That is my own "opposition research".
2. You said, "You have done nothing but show yourself to be speaking for leftist causes. Not really the image one would generally wish to project in this forum and it may well make one irrelevant."
2. Answer: You have a deficient in understanding written language if you think I support "leftist" causes. Pete B. supports leftist causes to the max and wants to be president - that is the subject of the thread.
If I am "irrelevant" on the forum, I am sure the other two I pinged to this post will tell me to leave and/or they will jerk my credentials out of the safe, pick up my coffee cup and my wine glass, and dump all of them in the trash.
@Victoria33 - you are only offensive to those who don't like to think. They are the minority around here. For those of us who can be intellectually honest, your comments will always be relevant.
But apparently discussing the subject of the thread honestly offends the thin-skinned who want only knee-jerk pablum.
Ignore them.
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@TomSea
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
1. You said I was, "speaking for leftist causes."
1. Answer: I spoke of the man, Pete B's background. I do that, look at previous years and present actions for any candidate I want to know about, regardless of party. That is my own "opposition research".
2. You said, "You have done nothing but show yourself to be speaking for leftist causes. Not really the image one would generally wish to project in this forum and it may well make one irrelevant."
2. Answer: You have a deficient in understanding written language if you think I support "leftist" causes. Pete B. supports leftist causes to the max and wants to be president - that is the subject of the thread.
If I am "irrelevant" on the forum, I am sure the other two I pinged to this post will tell me to leave and/or they will jerk my credentials out of the safe, pick up my coffee cup and my wine glass, and dump all of them in the trash.
@Victoria33 , I'm a bit miffed that you failed to include me on your ping list... :rolling:
All kidding aside, @TomSea is reverting to the only tool in the Orange Brigade toolbox, that of personal attacks and intimidation. This is all we've seen from Trump's Brigadiers for upwards of 3 years. Their levels of cognitive thought and expression barely register with many on TBR.
It's a simple meme for them: Trump is the greatest President who ever lived, and if you don't genuflect before him, you're a traitor to the country.
OTOH, most of us "Never Trumpers" have recognized the positive things Trump has done, such as judicial appointments. It just seems like every time I step toward voting for Trump in 2020, he does something to make me take a step back, such as his equivocating on closing the border or taking other actions to improve border security.
I am thankful to the Founding Fathers for limiting the powers of the President. There were those that were thrilled with previous presidents governing through executive orders, and we railed against such action. Now, with Trump in office, there's a clamor for similar actions, thanks to the inaction of Congress.
How can one rationally deride Buttigeg's military service, while giving Presidents like Trump, Clinton, and former VP Cheney passes for their artful avoidance of military service?
I'm all over the map this morning, my apologies. In closing, Trump's supporters have failed to move the ball forward with me. There just isn't much there beyond their saying that Trump is a "fighter" (I prefer the use of "bully"), and the reason why he hasn't done more is it's Congress' fault. Hey YOU out there, that's how the Founding Fathers envisioned the federal government. Ronald Reagan recognized that, and worked with a Democrat majority in the House to move the ball forward. Despite the most notable failure, that of Simpson-Mazzioli, he lowered the taxes and got the economy rolling in a way that hasn't been seen since then.
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@Victoria33 , I'm a bit miffed that you failed to include me on your ping list... :rolling:
All kidding aside, @TomSea is reverting to the only tool in the Orange Brigade toolbox, that of personal attacks and intimidation. This is all we've seen from Trump's Brigadiers for upwards of 3 years. Their levels of cognitive thought and expression barely register with many on TBR.
I'll stop right there. You accuse others of personal attacks yet, you can't get one paragraph done without it.
Sorry, ISIS is defeated, Obama and Bush set 'em up pretty good, North Korea is at the negotiations table, blacks have historic low rates of unemployment, some pro-life measures have been made that have teeth to them.
Sorry this offends you.
I voted for Bush, I defended Bush. Something here with you all is what doesn't add up.
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@Night Hides Not
You want on my ping list - I don't have one written down, so put you in my brain to remember next time. Please be careful inside my brain due to many explosives in there. :patriot:
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@Victoria33
I never see any comments in support of conservatism.
Now, we can see that her statements on Trump's state of mind are probably just because of her/his view of politics. Lets' not forget in the last month she called him a dictator.
Then, we have to go through these condescending statements, "In a debate... " etc.
Democrat party abortion extremism is being defended and supported in this guy. Yeah, sounds pretty left wing to me.
(http://www.lawandenvironment.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2011/07/walk-like-a-duck1.jpeg)
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
Hey, Obama was a horrible president but guess what? He won his reelection pretty much in a cake walk, our country should be better than that but it's not.
So, yeah, if a Republican gets in there, I will support him.
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I'll stop right there. You accuse others of personal attacks yet, you can't get one paragraph done without it.
Sorry, ISIS is defeated, Obama and Bush set 'em up pretty good, North Korea is at the negotiations table, blacks have historic low rates of unemployment, some pro-life measures have been made that have teeth to them.
Sorry this offends you.
I voted for Bush, I defended Bush. Something here with you all is what doesn't add up.
North Korea at the negotiations table? That means absolutely nothing.
What you call a personal attack is in my opinion an observation of hundreds of posts made by ardent Trump supporters over the past 3 years. You have a problem, in that your leader has a mercurial personality who changes his mind depending on the last person who talked to him. That observation has been well documented in the press, and is borne out by Trump's own actions.
A personal attack is best exemplified by your statements at @Victoria33 . I have done no such thing.
I do hope that Trump can get more done on border security, though.
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@Victoria33
Hey, Obama was a horrible president but guess what? He won his reelection pretty much in a cake walk,
And yet Mitt Romney thinks he knows better than Trump.
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The Buttigieg's are the Amos and Andy of the LGBTQC+ world. They will go to a breeder to get a custom-designed gayby, tweet about the latest diets and exercises, talk about their biggest quarrels (what shows to watch), expound on the virtues of being judgment-free while trashing Pence and invite us into their hunt for a new "family" vehicle.
Oh I just can't wait.
@Restored
A 4X4 Subaru stationwagon. Electric-powered if they can buy one.
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And yet Mitt Romney thinks he knows better than Trump.
@dfwgator
I don't think it is all that comlex. Romney knows what to say and do to keep the money rolling in,so that is what he says and does.
Plain and simple,he is a whore for rent. Pay him enough money,and he would vote conservative.
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From mayor to President? Sounds like a pure publicity stunt to me.
BTW, even though I am several decades away from being a teenager, still having a name that sounds like Buttgig in America is unfortunate.
Sounds too much like a male gay porno star.
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@TomSea
You said, "Democrat party abortion extremism is being defended and supported in this guy. Yeah, sounds pretty left wing to me."
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Pete B. is a Democrat, I am not. Period. You do have a reading problem if you think I support "Democrat party abortion". Sometimes you and I agree but definitely not this time. Again, the thread is about Pete B. - not me.
I won't answer to another of your posts, as I think you have gone far afield of the subject.
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@Restored
A 4X4 Subaru stationwagon. Electric-powered if they can buy one.
Covered with decals too.
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@truth_seeker
The obvious answer for "what to do about Trump:"
Support him.
1. Admit you wre wrong during the 2016 primaries, which he won.
I did just that on the forum the morning after the election. Where were you? Only one Trump supporter had the grace to respond.
2. Admit you were wrong over the 2016 general, which he won.
I did that, too. Again, where were you?
3. Admit you were wrong over how he would govern.
I think whatever good that's actually occurred has been more in spite of him than because of him. Blasphemy, amirite? He's the same Trump he always was and we're still waiting for that wall, which he doesn't give a crap about in reality.
4. Admit he is polling BETTER, than Reagan, B. Clinton and Obama at tthis point during their first terms.
I have no idea how he's polling nor do I care. What difference does it make?
4. Admit that 80+ percent of Republicans/conservatives support the duly elected Republican President.
And? Are we a herd, a collective, or do we think for ourselves?
5. Admit that alternatives like Weld are ridiculous, along with 3rd party efforts that only serve to fail.
My vote is sacred and you have zero right to advise me how to use it.
Remember John Anderson in 1980? At the end of his career, he supported Nader.
This probably means something.
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Maybe Mitt Romney can be his running mate.
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@aligncare
Well, they’ll never admit to being wrong about Trump; it’s in their job description: NeverTrumper.
Well, but we see that's not true, don't we. Like I told @truth_seeker, the morning after the election, I congratulated Trump supporters on the forum and said I was wrong about the primaries, and the election. Where were you? One of your number had the grace to reply, and it wasn't you, bro.
However, some early NeverTrumpers were capable of feeling shame and remorse for wrongly believing the corrupt, lying, democrat media and have already come over to the right, winning side.
It's politics. There's no "shame" in disliking or not supporting a politician. You're way too wrapped up in Trump, and, because of that, you take every slight to him as a personal affront. He isn't your family, aligncare.
To those smart folks, I say welcome to the sunny side of the street.
Trump better snap to and get on the sunny side of my street, public servant that he is.
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@Victoria33
I never see any comments in support of conservatism.
Now, we can see that her statements on Trump's state of mind are probably just because of her/his view of politics. Lets' not forget in the last month she called him a dictator.
Then, we have to go through these condescending statements, "In a debate... " etc.
Democrat party abortion extremism is being defended and supported in this guy. Yeah, sounds pretty left wing to me.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
Hey, Obama was a horrible president but guess what? He won his reelection pretty much in a cake walk, our country should be better than that but it's not.
So, yeah, if a Republican gets in there, I will support him.
@TomSea, you know what's tiresome? The increasing incidence I'm seeing of the purity test. "You aren't posting sufficiently to my standards, so you must be a liberal." Stop it. The groupthink is getting out of hand.
If you haven't seen some of us "comment in support of conservativism", you haven't been paying attention. We've been here for about three years. Why have you missed all of our posts? What do you think we've been discussing, swapping out car engines?
Not everyone has unlimited time to spend here. For me, posting the same old "Pelosi sucks" or ""Schumer's evil" over and over gets boring because it's Conservatism 101. We KNOW liberals suck, and we don't expect fellow conservatives to need constant reminders in order for us to be considered "real."
Besides, and I've said it before, you and others cultivate a careful image of perfect Trump support here, but elsewhere you criticize him freely. So please.
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Covered with decals too.
@goatprairie
Yup!
Greenpeace,Save the Whales,Hillary for President,Free Weed,Global Government for ALL,etc,Airheads UNITE!, I BELIEVE!,We iz da WURLD!,Group Hug,NOW!,One People,One World,etc,etc,etc.
Anything having to do with group thought,and NOTHING promoting individualism.
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Some here will say I "love" Pete. I am stating facts; the truth about your opposition is the first step to winning over him/her.
This Pete guy has crammed so much into his 37 years on this earth - all of it one success after another. His mother and father were Ph.D. professors. People should read about Pete on Wikipedia so they know what Trump is up against. Trump will not win a debate with Pete. When you get a chance to hear Pete, you will see how "cool" he is. When you listen to him/see his demeanor while talking, erase your political beliefs. Evaluate him as though you are a liberal; think in terms of Independent voters and Democrat voters - how they will relate to him.
Upon graduating from Harvard in 2005, Buttigieg was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship and in 2007 he received first-class honors in philosophy, politics and economics from Pembroke College, Oxford.
Look at the languages he has mastered. Look at his master of guitar and piano:
Buttigieg is a polyglot. He taught himself to speak Norwegian and is also conversational in Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Farsi, and French. Buttigieg plays guitar and piano, and in 2013 performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra as a guest piano soloist.
Look at his military record (Trump claimed heel bone spurs to stay out of war)
Buttigieg was commissioned as a naval intelligence officer in the Navy Reserve in 2009, and deployed to Afghanistan in 2014. After a seven-month deployment, Buttigieg returned to South Bend. He remained a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve until 2017.
Here is Trump's problem with Pete. Trump cannot attack him/make fun of him/give him a tacky name. I'm sure Trump can't even pronounce Pete's last name. Trump will try to use Pete's last name to embarrass him, but the embarrassment will be Trump's for not being able to pronounce Pete's last name.
Trump can't attack Pete's military service because Trump faked heel bone spurs and didn't serve.
Trump can't say he is smarter than Pete because Pete has his smarts on paper, the various awards he got for putting his high intelligence to good works.
The only thing Trump could use to attack Pete, is, he is gay however, Trump wants the gay vote, too. If Trump made fun of Pete's sexual orientation, those gays who now support Trump, will leave him and vote for Pete.
There are many Democrats running for president; Pete is going to move up the line to the front.
@Victoria33
He sounds like a fine person.
If military experience mattered McCain would have beaten Obama.
If accomplishments mattered Romney would have beaten Obama.
If government experience mattered Hillary would have beaten Trump.
If intelligence or speaking abilities mattered President Trump would have been beaten by 16 other GOP candidates.
All those things matter to me, but to a majority of voters? no.
The openly gay thing is gonna be a problem for me. I don't care what people do in the confines of the bedroom but this doesn't work for me... (https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/04/15/13/pete-buttigieg2.jpg?width=668)
I am homophobic, and I'm too old to change. It's not a deal-breaker if the policies are right, but I doubt Pete's policies are going to be attractive to conservative Never Trumpers.
Maybe they will be for moderate independent voters. The democrats need to make inroads with those voters to win the Presidency. From my right side perspective the democrats appear to be moving further left, and about to fracture into their own splinter factions of Establishment rats who favor incremental change and the OAC wing of the party.
Perhaps not. Maybe opposition to Trump will cement them behind a consensus candidate with broad appeal. Thanx for mini-biography. I'll check him out if he moves up the ranks.
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@TomSea, you know what's tiresome? The increasing incidence I'm seeing of the purity test. "You aren't posting sufficiently to my standards, so you must be a liberal." Stop it. The groupthink is getting out of hand.
If you haven't seen some of us "comment in support of conservativism", you haven't been paying attention. We've been here for about three years. Why have you missed all of our posts? What do you think we've been discussing, swapping out car engines?
Not everyone has unlimited time to spend here. For me, posting the same old "Pelosi sucks" or ""Schumer's evil" over and over gets boring because it's Conservatism 101. We KNOW liberals suck, and we don't expect fellow conservatives to need constant reminders in order for us to be considered "real."
Besides, and I've said it before, you and others cultivate a careful image of perfect Trump support here, but elsewhere you criticize him freely. So please.
Excuse me.
@QueenCatofAragon
IF someone makes statements, there is every right to respond. All you are doing is protecting someone from being responded too.
So, @Victoria33 has psychoanalyzed Trump hundreds of times.
Let's see, Pete Buttigieg believes, that with saline abortions, a baby can be burned alive, Pete Buttigieg believes a baby can be torn to pieces. Oh, how dare we respond to any criticism of Never Trumpers which seems wrong to use the term in itself, in this case, it's more like Bernie Bros. You may think you are being noble coming to one's rescue, that's a reflection yourself. Let's not let anyone else psychoanalyze. Let's not let anyone else discuss.
Or calling people dictators, no right to respond. Maybe what is being responded too, is a leftist slant apparently.
And this, "Oh, Pete's smart if Trump comes up with his personal insults".
If one doesn't like discourse of ideas, maybe discussion forums are not for them rather than tossing out at people, "some of us don't spend a lot of time here", then, save your time with responses to me.
Condescending talk is unwelcome as well. But you have a right to it. If you get some extra time, you should go see that movie "Unplanned".
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Something seriously wrong with Pete Buttigieg, the dude should go see "Unplanned", he believes babies can be torn limb to limb and burned alive in abortions. He states how he views others religions, whether they are Christians or not and then, goes on about "reproductive rights" but has entered into an infertile marriage against natural law.
Better?
Supporter of that green bill too. Oh, let's not criticize him. 888mouth
Probably open-borders too.
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There was an article out, "Buttigieg, the left's new darling", odd man out, low charity donor Beto.
My gosh, issues must be discussed, if issues are not discussed... I really do think a lot of voters are ignorant, that's why we got Obama and the damage he did, yet, he'd still enjoy a lot of popularity with people.
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Excuse me.
@QueenCatofAragon
IF someone makes statements, there is every right to respond. All you are doing is protecting someone from being responded too.
So, @Victoria33 has psychoanalyzed Trump hundreds of times.
Let's see, Pete Buttigieg believes, that with saline abortions, a baby can be burned alive, Pete Buttigieg believes a baby can be torn to pieces. Oh, how dare we respond to any criticism of Never Trumpers which seems wrong to use the term in itself, in this case, it's more like Bernie Bros. You may think you are being noble coming to one's rescue, that's a reflection yourself. Let's not let anyone else psychoanalyze. Let's not let anyone else discuss.
Or calling people dictators, no right to respond. Maybe what is being responded too, is a leftist slant apparently.
And this, "Oh, Pete's smart if Trump comes up with his personal insults".
If one doesn't like discourse of ideas, maybe discussion forums are not for them rather than tossing out at people, "some of us don't spend a lot of time here", then, save your time with responses to me.
Condescending talk is unwelcome as well. But you have a right to it. If you get some extra time, you should go see that movie "Unplanned".
@TomSea
I’m not trying to stifle your responses. Go for it. You set quite a few boundaries for permissible posting yourself, though.
“If one doesn’t like discourse of ideasâ€â€”-dude, do you really not see the irony, lol? You spend a good chunk of time trying to squash criticism of Trump EVEN THOUGH YOU CRITICIZE HIM ELSEWHERE. I know you don’t like having that particular hypocrisy pointed out. I’ll stop when you do.
My intention wasn’t to be condescending. I was explaining that I don’t have the time to visit every thread in order to offer posts to soothe paranoia about liberals in our midst.
I ain’t being noble at all. Like I said, I’m not here for the groupthink that’s taken hold, and the more I see it, the more I push back. What is this “you might not be relevant here with those opinions†stuff? That’s the environment some of us left in 2016 to come here. We’re not doing that again.
You aren’t forum nanny, Tom. Take a step outside yourself and learn how to deal with different views instead of trying to shut them up. You’ll learn to defend your own opinions, and the air is fresh outside the bubble.
That’s kind of funny/sad—I think I said the exact same thing after coming here from TOS.
Thanks for the movie rec, but I have no plans to see Unplanned at this point. As someone who’s anti-abortion, it’s preaching to the choir. Besides, the Unplanned account on Twitter was putting out Qanon crap until the pile-on forced them to delete. But if you’re looking for good TV viewing, I have some show recs, so hit me up.
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@dfwgator
I don't think it is all that comlex. Romney knows what to say and do to keep the money rolling in,so that is what he says and does.
Plain and simple, he is a whore for rent. Pay him enough money,and he would vote conservative.
Best description of Mitt Romney I've heard in a while. @sneakypete Just like his lady in waiting, Ann Coulter. :thumbsup:
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@Smokin Joe
And you are SURPRISED that a sitting President didn't sign a state bill written and approved by state legislators?
Seriously?
Seriously, your own self. You must be fishing for poo to fling today. My comment was in reply to the slobbering over Trumps pro-life-dom, which hasn't really done jack.
The issue will be handled at the State level. Like so much else, all we need to do is get the Feds out of the way.
About all Trump can do is try to appoint SCOTUS justices who will overturn Roe.