Hey, Dov, are you trying to assert that what happened to innocent, individual Jews 80 years ago is equivalent to the questioning the consequences of the actions of a powerful and independent nation state?

That is not at all what he is saying.  Not even remotely close.

But it is quite telling how you describe the current situation Israel is facing as 'consequences of their own actions'.  Blaming Israel for anti-Semitism?

IMHO I think this would have broken QE11's heart..she was very fond of Harry.....and I do hope that Charles removes Harry and his children from the succession  to the throne....and take away their damn titles...

Well they are already very far down the order of succession:  William and all three of his children are ahead of Harry.  (And it would be Parliament that could change the succession, cf. the Glorious Revolution.)

Is it becoming a self-fulfilled prophesy?

No. Just prophecy.

Yet here they are again, again, even yet...

Is it becoming a self-fulfilled prophesy?

Honestly, @Right_in_Virginia, I don't get what you're trying to say. What the hell difference does it make if they have advantages now that they didn't have in '38?

@AllThatJazzZ   Fair question.  Let me try and explain it this way ----

Eastern European Jews didn't fight back in the 1930's/early 1940's because they had nothing to fight back with ---- no global voice, no leadership, no weapons.  Only once did they fight back, and that was during the rebellion in a Nazi open air prison.

Jews rectifying this 1938 disadvantage and gaining a voice, leadership and weapons were the essential goals of the original invocation of "never again".  The Jewish people have achieved all of this; but how best to use the success to secure peace, security and prosperity in 2024 and beyond remains elusive.  Harkening back to 1938 Germany is counterproductive ---- simply an emotional shield against questions few want to hear, nevermind answer.

I think it's time for an honest, difficult discussion.