The FBI raided the office of Michael Cohen, a personal lawyer and confidant of President Donald Trump, Cohen's attorney confirmed to CNN Monday.
Stephen Ryan, a lawyer for Cohen, said in a statement that the US Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York had executed "a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications" between Cohen and his clients....
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/politics/michael-cohen-fbi/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/politics/michael-cohen-fbi/index.html)
Fox trying to find out if Mueller ordered this raid.... :thud:
Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.†The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.
“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,†said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.â€
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html
Looks like the people who used to work under Preet Bharara will be handling it. Whoops.
Well this could get ugly fast...
So it was the FBI and not Mueller?
If there's dirt to be found (putting it kindly) this is likely paydirt...
Per CNN....
WH official: Trump watched TV coverage of raid
Tweet storm on the horizon.
Sounds like the FBI may be working in proxy for Mueller via Preet Bharara's old office. Betcha Mueller butts right in on this one to claim or share jurisdiction.
How soon will the bombs be dropping on Syria....
He may have brought it to Rosenstein and Mueller was told to pass it on.
P.S. - your current profile pic is decidedly less attractive as ones in the past.
Hope one of the bombs lands on Sessions desk. This has nothing to do with Russia. He is not recused from this.
Hope one of the bombs lands on Sessions desk. This has nothing to do with Russia. He is not recused from this.
Sessions was a huge mistake
The vast majority of his personnel choices have been a "huge mistake". Most were chosen based on how well they kissed his ring, not how well they could perform their duties.
Sessions was a huge mistake
CLIENT PRIVILEGE FILES??? Aren't they sacred under the law??
He's the poster boy for purity. He moves S L O W.
IMHO, this is all about gaining leverage because the Clinton/Obama gang knows the jig is up.
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The vast majority of his personnel choices have been a "huge mistake". Most were chosen based on how well they kissed his ring, not how well they could perform their duties.
CLIENT PRIVILEGE FILES??? Aren't they sacred under the law??
Transcript of Trump's reaction......
So I just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, a good man and it's a disgraceful situation. It's a total witch-hunt. I've been saying it for a long time. I've wanted to keep it down. We've given I believe over a million pages worth of documents to the special counsel. They continue to just go forward and here we are talking about Syria, we're talking about a lot of serious things with the greatest fighting force ever and I have this witch-hunt constantly going on for over 12 months now and actually much more than that. You could say it was right after I won the nomination it started. And it's a disgrace, it's a real disgrace. It's an attack on our country in a true sense. It's an attack on what we all stand for so when I saw this and when I heard it, I heard it like you did, I said that is really now in a whole new level of unfairness. So this has been going on, I saw one of the reporters who is not necessarily a fan of mine, not necessarily very good to me, he said in effect that this is ridiculous, this is now getting ridiculous. They found no collusion whatsoever with Russia, the reason they found it is there was no collusion at all. No collusion. This is the most biased group of people, these people have the biggest conflicts of interest I've ever seen. Democrats all -- or just about all, either Democrats or a couple of Republicans that worked for president Obama. They're not looking at the other side. They're not looking at the Hillary Clinton horrible things that she did and all of the crimes that were committed. They're not looking at all of the things that happened that everybody is very angry about, I can tell you, from the Republican side and I think even the independent side. They only keep looking at us so they find no collusion and then they go from there and they say well, let's keep going and they raid an office of a personal attorney early in the morning and I think it's a disgrace. So we'll talk about it more but this is the most conflicted group of people I've ever seen.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-office-raid/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-office-raid/index.html)
I need to ask any attorneys we have here ... how in the name of God can the FBI take client-privilege files from the President's personal attorney?
CLIENT PRIVILEGE FILES??? Aren't they sacred under the law??
I need to ask any attorneys we have here ... how in the name of God can the FBI take client-privilege files from the President's personal attorney?
CLIENT PRIVILEGE FILES??? Aren't they sacred under the law??
And of course, he's 100% correct.
Apparently, not 100%, because a judge signed off on this warrant.
I think you’re mistaken. When he first came to office, and not knowing anyone in Washington circles, Trump relied heavily on long time Washington hands and seasoned professionals like Reince Priebus [sic] to advise him on WH staffing. We’ve all seen how that went.
But, Trump recently let it be known that going forward he will be relying on his own instincts to select who to hire, so we should be seeing more folks loyal to the president and, well, less swampy.
Apparently, not 100%, because a judge signed off on this warrant.
Not a lawyer but, if the lawyer is involved with criminal activity with his client, privilege ends.
Boy, we never saw the Alphabets turn over so many leads and chairs to find dirt on Hillary or Clinton, or Lois Lerner or the Benghazi situation with heavy weapons being sent to what became ISIS after the killing of Ambassador Stephens as we see them doing on Trump.
When an Oligarchy has turned Alphabets into Praetorians - the Republic is over.
Everything at this point forward is orchestrated and manipulated to achieve the effects they intend to impose in the future.
Don't they have to state what the criminal activity is? Or is pouring over client privilege in hopes of finding a crime just another acceptable activity in this witch hunt?
What does this mean?
What does this mean?
What does this mean?
That you cannot comprehend and understand plain English.
What does this mean?
It means that the various agencies of the federal government have become the protectors of the corrupt Washington elite, particularly the Clintons and Democrats in general. That these agencies have become thoroughly corrupt. The IRS back in 2011 was an early indicator of it. But that was just the tip of the iceberg.
That once a government is this thoroughly corrupt you can't restore the Republic through civil means. It won't allow it.
Not a lawyer but, if the lawyer is involved with criminal activity with his client, privilege ends.
BINGO.
I love it when someone articulates the truth that so many refuse to see or acknowledge because it's too scary to contemplate.
What do you think President Trump should do about it?
He cannot do a thing at this point.
His fatal mistake was not cleaning out the swamp by putting his own people into all major positions in his cabinet.
Too late to stop what is going to happen now. If Trump actually attempts to arrest this before it becomes an overt coup - he will be hanging himself in the process or literally have to declare himself a dictator to avoid what is going to be done to him.
This is a mess beyond fixing now. All we can do it ride the collapse on down and pray we're not buried under the ashes to the point we suffocate to death.
And that is not even counting the crap going on overseas or South of our border.
He cannot do a thing at this point.
His fatal mistake was not cleaning out the swamp by putting his own people into all major positions in his cabinet.
Where does he go from here?
You're the POTUS under these circumstances. There's no 'right or wrong' answer, @INVAR
Tell us how you could save our Republic...under any means.
The Romans tried to get back the idea of a Republic after Julius - you know how that turned out.
I think we are far too gone to salvage the idea of a Republic. I would love to be proven wrong for the sake of my own posterity. But the reality is too many make their money off a fascistic relationship with DC - and money talks and everything else walks. I saw how corruption works in the halls of power in Cook County, IL. There is no way to end such rot than to nuke the site from orbit just to make sure it's dead. It infects everything.
Another reality is that more than half the population wants a nanny state, more than half of them are dependent on government subsidy and we have a virtual open borders policy with a debt more egregious than we can possibly pay back in several lifetimes. The consequences of all of this we have not even begun to feel yet.
We would literally have to start over - and that is not gonna happen without this people taking a risk that no one wants to contemplate taking. We are not the mettle of people our forbears or grandparents were. We no longer value the things that maintain a Republic. Hell, we cannot even agree among ourselves how to define liberty.
John Adams was prophetic in terms of where we now find ourselves. Of course realizing where you are and the reality of the situation is the first step to actually taking measures to rectify where you have arrived.
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." - John Adams, July 7th 1775
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4h4 hours ago
This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation. If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.
:shrug:
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4h4 hours ago
This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation. If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.
:shrug:
It is impossible to drain the swamp after solidly allying yourself with it for three years. The very idea of appointing Mr. GOPe himself, Reince Priebus, as Chief of Staff speaks volumes.
Remember the time they raided Hillary's Chappaqua, NY, or Washington, DC's houses?
...me neither.
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...
to justify this raid?
Anybody?
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4h4 hours ago
This probably establishes that Trump really isn’t under investigation. If he were, raiding his lawyers would taint everything.
:shrug:
Going against the Swamp.
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...
to justify this raid?
Anybody?
Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.
No kidding.
Nothing being done about the Aswan family and Debbie Wasserman Shultz, either.
Oh... then I am uninformed, after all. I didn't realize that they had made that into a law...."can't go against the deep state". Seriously.... isn't this a major over-reach of ""authority"".... the same kind that the idiot left loves to accuse Trump of?
:shrug:
Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...
to justify this raid?
Anybody?
Possibly bank fraud and/or campaign finance laws.
Charlie Trie and Johnnie Chung got no prison time for funneling a million dollars into Clinton's pockets from Communist China. Trump's lawyer pays a whore a few bucks and his office full of client privileged files is raided by the Feds.
There is a problem here.
Considering that it concerns an attorney... who is (supposedly) familiar with "the law".... that seems unlikely. Guess we'll find out....
The warrant request will be sealed for a while, and unless there's a leak or release by Cohen, we don't have the statutes listed for investigation. All we can do is speculate.
Could be something like bank fraud for borrowing to pay off Stormy Daniels. But there are indications this is more into broader business dealings. We just have to wait to find out.
Not if there's a crime-fraud exception. Mueller has already used it in his investigations, past and present.
I don't give a crap, I don't care.
Not until Hillary and Bill Clinton and Wasserman Schultz and Huma Abedin are wearing orange behind bars.
They have been illustrated to have done far more egregious violations of law - to the point of treason and they are protected by the very Praetorians going full tilt on Trump.
Nope. We're just watching what happens after a velvet coup.
The primary crime here is that Donald Trump dared to exit the plantation. If he was still a Democrat, none of this would be happening. He would be the darling of CNN, MSNBC, etc.
Charlie Trie and Johnnie Chung got no prison time for funneling a million dollars into Clinton's pockets from Communist China. Trump's lawyer pays a whore a few bucks and his office full of client privileged files is raided by the Feds.
There is a problem here.
Which makes me think there may be something to this. Yes, the FISA court allowing this Russia nonsense was done by misleading what and where the info came from.
Which makes me think there may be something to this.
Yes, the FISA court allowing this Russia nonsense was done by misleading what and where the info came from.
However, when they go as far as getting a search warrant for legal records, thereby over riding the lawyer- client privilege, there has to be an understanding that there could be a fraud exemption.
More from WaPo:To serve a search warrant on a practicing attorney, federal prosecutors are required to obtain approval from top Justice Department officials. That means the acting U.S. attorney in Manhattan, Geoffrey S. Berman, who was appointed to his role by Sessions in January, as well as Justice Department officials in Washington, probably signed off.
Which makes me think this isn't going to end well for one or both, Trump and/or Cohen.
This isn't taken on lightly, and there has to be a lot of eyes on it before you make a move like this.
So far all the indictments coming out of Mueller's fraudulent investigation have been bullshit, like the 12 Russians that live in Russia and will never be touched, or have had nothing to do with collusion, of which we have had a grand total of 4 people in 2 years. Now we have him playing games with Trumps lawyer.
Mueller and Sessions need t be fired right away.
I dunno. I keep thinking of Chuck Rhoades on Billions. It may not be personal, but it's damned sure political. If no fraud occurred, what then?I won't disagree that it is political, I believe that.
I dunno. I keep thinking of Chuck Rhoades on Billions. It may not be personal, but it's damned sure political. If no fraud occurred, what then?
Which makes me think this isn't going to end well for one or both, Trump and/or Cohen.
This isn't taken on lightly, and there has to be a lot of eyes on it before you make a move like this.
Like the FISA warrant that started this whole crap ball rolling?
Sorry, but we can no longer rely on the integrity of a "a lot of eyes of it before you make a move like this". Not when we know to whom those eyes belong and what they have accomplished thus far. There has been an ongoing attempt to remove the duly elected President from before he won (remember the "insurance policy"?) .... with all efforts orchestrated and coordinated through the highest levels of the DOJ, FBI and former administration. The effort continues through this day.
Awesome show. Between Billions and Sideways, Giamatti has the bitter man with a chip on his shoulder down.
At the risk of sounding uninformed.... what crime was committed... what law was broken...
to justify this raid?
Anybody?
Which I've also mentioned in one of my post.
Yet,Which seems most likely?
To believe that the FBI, DOJ, etc, would continue to shoot themselves in the foot?
That they would do this now to save face, out of some sort of pride?
A real coup attempt?
Trump would hire a lawyer who would commit fraud?
Trump ( or someone) is setting up Cohen, or vice-versa?
I don't yet know the answer, myself, but as you mentioned, lawyer-client privilege is a big deal, and to get a court to agree that it can be removed is a big deal.
The RLs are desperate.... they know at this point they can't cover their @sses on the FISA warrant fiasco... way too late for that. So now they have to justify their past over-reaches by FINDING something.... anything... at this point, to pin on Trump.
@XenaLee
Campaign finance laws. Try Trump has claimed he didn't pay off Stormy Daniels. We know she got $130,000 from Cohen. They will say that was an on-line campaign contribution, way over the individual limit. Read Andrew McCarthy's recent column for more analysis.
Like the FISA warrant that started this whole crap ball rolling?
Sorry, but we can no longer rely on the integrity of a "a lot of eyes of it before you make a move like this". Not when we know to whom those eyes belong and what they have accomplished thus far. There has been an ongoing attempt to remove the duly elected President from before he won (remember the "insurance policy"?) .... with all efforts orchestrated and coordinated through the highest levels of the DOJ, FBI and former administration. The effort continues through this day.
They can say whatever they damned well please. They already do, in fact. The real question is...
can they prove it?
If the payment was not a campaign contribution, and if they can't prove that it was.... what law was actually broken?
But the FBI couldn't find a crime with Hillarys emails.
The FBI is 100% corrupted.
I am not. a DJT fan, but this perpetual witch hunt is wearing thin,
Which I've also mentioned in one of my post.
Yet,Which seems most likely?
To believe that the FBI, DOJ, etc, would continue to shoot themselves in the foot?
That they would do this now to save face, out of some sort of pride?
A real coup attempt?
Trump would hire a lawyer who would commit fraud?
Trump ( or someone) is setting up Cohen, or vice-versa?
I don't yet know the answer, myself, but as you mentioned, lawyer-client privilege is a big deal, and to get a court to agree that it can be removed is a big deal.
Trump had dinner with Cohen the night before the 60 Minutes interview with Stormy. Wait until the rumors Mueller bugged Mar-a-Lago start flying.
Which I've also mentioned in one of my post.
Yet,Which seems most likely?
To believe that the FBI, DOJ, etc, would continue to shoot themselves in the foot?
Given what we can ascertain from the FISA corruption/IRS/FBI-Hildabeast-Comey et al;, that their 'fix' to make her crowning a done deal fell through - I think the Oligarchy is flexing muscles to do what they have to do openly under the thinnest veil of legitimacy. They know the majority of the people are stupid and they already have the media and the Republican leadership in their pockets. Such action shows the world that they are capable of getting rid of any threat to their well-oiled corruption machine and set a permanent precedent that they can protect their own criminality from prosecution, and take out anyone that We the Little People happen to vote for in overwhelming margins too great to sweep away with fraud.
The Alphabets are proven Praetorians for the Oligarchy. I trust nothing that they say or do. If justice and the Law actually mattered to any of them, Hildabeast and her cabal would have been up on charges instead of exonerated in advance.
I don't know what you call this - but given the protective shielding of the Democrats by the very same Praetorians going full tilt on Trump, I'm dubious.
Shoot themselves in the foot? These aren't boy scouts. They're corrupt political operatives and they are winning a war you apparently don't want to know we're in.
They can say whatever they damned well please. They already do, in fact. The real question is...
can they prove it?
If the payment was not a campaign contribution, and if they can't prove that it was.... what law was actually broken?
As a Cruzer, I'd be very concerned if the FBI was raiding President Cruz's personal attorney's offices for Bank and Wire Fraud pertaining to him paying off a Ho or getting a sweetheart Hotel deal in Havana. I'd start having my doubts about him, JS.
I typed "in-kind" contribution, but this stupid Apple software auto-corrected it to online.
It's a campaign contribution of it's money or services that were given to aid the campaign in some way. That's the legal argument as I understand it.
Shhhh......It's only the deep state. To say anything else means you're not facing reality.
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Well, for argument's sake... let's say it really was a payment to Stormy for "ho services rendered". How could that be construed as a "campaign aid or contribution"? No, seriously. :rolling:
I agree with @INVAR it's beyond Deep State, it's a Black Hole that happens to like Orange things.
It's the same scenario surrounding the payoffs and cover-up around John Edwards and Rielle Hunter. What saved Edwards was the timing. That could be Cohen's undoing, since it was two weeks before the election. When Trump said he didn't know about the payment, it put Cohen in a tight spot. He'll have to back the president up or contradict him. Either way, it's a problem.
it was a payment to keep her quiet, to prevent damage to the campaign. I am sure such a charge would never be brought against the Clintons, but it looks like that's what is going to happen here. also some charge of bank fraud (against Cohen) is rumored. Both of these are charges against Cohen, not Trump directly.
Good point. Will he fall on his sword for Trump on that? Time will tell. I find it hard, if not impossible, to believe that if Cohen paid off Stormy.... he didn't tell Trump about it. That would be a lie that would be easy to target by Mueller. It's one Mueller obviously couldn't pass up.
How big is Mueller's budget, and how close has he come to running out of money?
I happen to think both things may be true.
(1) There is a concerted effort to stop Trump and to impeach him.
(2) Trump's lawyer is crooked.
Don't know for sure, but both could be true at the same time.
I won't disagree, and the alphabets have blown their credibility.
The media constantly beating their left wing drum doesn't help things.
There will be people who will assume guilt, because the media has already brainwashed them into thinking, "Well, he must be guilty of something."
I still wonder, if in this case only, that where there's smoke....
Pretty gutsy move, if they can't back it up.
Would I put it past the alphabets?
No, I would not.
I am having trouble finding out what Cohen's legal liability is on this issue (jail time/$). I think what this number is will be directional proportional to his level of cooperation,
Look for the record I am not saying that Trump is squeaky clean - and that his lawyer did not pay this sleazy porn star hush money before the election. Trump has publicly bragged about bedding other men's wives, so all the consequences of that kind of mindset and behavior are likely.
My beef is that we have a totally corrupt, untrustworthy government at all levels - ESPECIALLY the Alphabets, where Presidents come and go and Operatives for the Oligarchy remain.
Since Hildabeast and the Democrat cabal engaged in overt treason and criminality and are walking scot free without so much as a reprimand, having been exonerated in advance - this bullshit op by the FBI and Mueller against Trump just fuels my distrust to levels that consider them criminal, treasonous and a clear and present danger to what remains of the Republic.
It's usually the way these things work, isn't it?
(BTW, not to hijack a thread, but Astros beating Twins 1-0,bottom of the 6th)
It's usually the way these things work, isn't it?
(BTW, not to hijack a thread, but Astros beating Twins 1-0,bottom of the 6th)
As a Cruzer, I'd be very concerned if the FBI was raiding President Cruz's personal attorney's offices for Bank and Wire Fraud pertaining to him paying off a Ho or getting a sweetheart Hotel deal in Havana. I'd start having my doubts about him, JS.
I am still upset that NOBODY has investigated Uranium One yet.
For crying out loud, even the New York Times was suspicious of that!
They reported it.
We'll do our part to keep the Championships in H town.
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It's up to the Texans to tie the 69/70 record of NY's 3 consecutive Championships (Mets, Knicks, Jets).
My, how much things have changed since the Trump campaign pushed this fake story. Karma, perhaps?
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LOL, I'm all for that, but this graphic is just plain weird!
As long as they don't investigate it.... it's like it never happened. Conversely.... every little thing that didn't happen that they investigate ANYWAY, is automatically set in stone fact/truth whenever it concerns a Republican. Funny how that works. If we (the people) don't turn this around, we may lose this country to the RLs. I have never thought that before.....
before now, that is.
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My, how much things have changed since the Trump campaign pushed this fake story. Karma, perhaps?
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Really? Russian collusion is a fake story, yet Mueller is still on the case. You think any of this would be different with Cruz in the WH? Not a chance in Rochester.
A President Cruz would be investigated by the FBI at this point, no doubt @Frank Cannon, my only contention is that the picking wouldn't be so easy, for obvious reasons, Cruz didn't put himself in the NY/LA Limelight purposely for the last 50 years and it must be apparent, even to you, Cruz isn't particularly fond of big boobed p0rn stars.
Trump and/or his stupid Lawyers/Advisors created this stink.
Cruz isn't particularly fond of big boobed p0rn stars.
Can you explain to me how a guy in his 40's with a family and a gov't job his whole life is worth $4 million dollars?
Well, for argument's sake... let's say it really was a payment to Stormy for "ho services rendered". How could that be construed as a "campaign aid or contribution"? No, seriously. :rolling:
Yes - his wife is an investment manager at Goldman Sachs.
We don't know shit about Cruz because he was a Texas issue all his life. It's a red state and there was no reason to do an anal exam because no matter what a GOPer would win that seat. It actually does the Rats a favor having him around to use as a boogie man. There is no doubt in my mind that if Ted was able to limp out a win in the '16 Primary and then beat Hitlary there would be the same Special Prosecutor stuff going on now, but instead of Russians and call girls we would be hearing about Goldman and shady business deals.
Can you explain to me how a guy in his 40's with a family and a gov't job his whole life is worth $4 million dollars? I'm sure Mueller would be leaking us answers to all that and more.
Where does he go from here?
You're the POTUS under these circumstances. There's no 'right or wrong' answer, @INVAR
Tell us how you could save our Republic...under any means.
So says you. Considering I would like to more about that other than the vague congressional disclosure reports. We know Goldman is a shady corrupt outfit. They had to shell out $5 Billion in fines to the Feds. Wonder what a Mueller "Smash and Grab" investigation would churn up there? Hiedi only worked for Goldman for 13 years. Prior to that she was another government employee drone. $4 million is a lot of money to sock away from a bank gig.
BTW now that I am remembering about Goldman, didn't Ted have a spot of bother not disclosing loans from Goldman during various political campaigns he launched?
If you'd even bother to read his autobiography @Frank Cannon you would know he worked weekends with the drunken bowling alley crowd, selling $hit and he's worth double that you claim.
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She was a private wealth manager and probably received lots of bonuses and investment opportunities of her own. As far as the loan snafu went, this is how they explained it...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/heidi-cruz-offers-explanation-for-loans-to-husbands-senate-c?utm_term=.snnaVywOR#.hgzNVyGrB (https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/heidi-cruz-offers-explanation-for-loans-to-husbands-senate-c?utm_term=.snnaVywOR#.hgzNVyGrB)
"RLs?"
Radical Leftists...lol. I get lazy/tired of spelling it out.
She signed a contract to keep quiet. There's no construing required.
Thought it was "Real Lives" and I get really confused....
I know you didn't ask me, but I'll answer if I may. If I were the POTUS I go for the nuclear option.
I would instruct the AG to immediately form an independent task force with full subpoena power and cart-blanche legal authority to fully investigate the Clinton foundation and everything connected to it including the Russians, Email, etc. The cockroaches would be scattering everywhere... The blast wave would leave a huge crater in DC. Whatever Trump has done would pale in comparison in terms of criminality.
Trump would find himself and everyone attempting to carry out that order being Arkancided. I think these Oligarchs are making it clear that this is for keeps.
Sorry, but nobody made Trump boff this chick, renege on promises, then have his lawyer make shady moves a decade later on the eve of the election, because she was a huge liability. Cohen is on his way to receiving the 2018 Ogden Nash Award and he has no one to blame but himself.
Character matters.
That said, the hypocrisy of the FBI and other alphabet agencies in their past selective enforcement of rules is a valid point, yes crooked as heck Hillary got a free ride, yes commie Obama got a free ride. But to blame this on anything other that a horndog Trump..... and those that elected him (especially in the preliminaries). You had to know this kind of stuff would probable pop up. Lord knows there was plenty of folks here that said it would. Even democrats knew it would catch up to him and they are rock-hard dehydrated stupid.
About 100 posts into the thread and finally someone had the wavos to say the root of the problem.
Character matters...
I know you didn't ask me, but I'll answer if I may. If I were the POTUS I go for the nuclear option.
I would instruct the AG to immediately form an independent task force with full subpoena power and cart-blanche legal authority to fully investigate the Clinton foundation and everything connected to it including the Russians, Email, etc. The cockroaches would be scattering everywhere... The blast wave would leave a huge crater in DC. Whatever Trump has done would pale in comparison in terms of criminality.
A President Cruz would be investigated by the FBI at this point, no doubt @Frank Cannon, my only contention is that the picking wouldn't be so easy, for obvious reasons, Cruz didn't put himself in the NY/LA Limelight purposely for the last 50 years and it must be apparent, even to you, Cruz isn't particularly fond of big boobed p0rn stars.
Trump and/or his stupid Lawyers/Advisors created this stink.
I just love how you think if the deep state succeeds in removing the President that after the neutered Pence limps to the finish line there will ever be a Republican president again. never mind Ted Cruz.
Rafael won't make it to the convention as the keynote speaker. They'll start with his citizenship, move onto his affairs, turn his and his wife's ties to Goldman Sachs into criminal money laundering, wonder aloud if Heidi is mentally fit and whether or not Ted nearly drove her to suicide, continuously reinforce Cruz believes he is chosen by God to lead the nation to a Christian theocracy, ridicule him without mercy and until it sticks, and just for the fun of it they'll bankrupt him with legal fees.
Cruz supporters will take to the airways and cameras proclaiming "not one more", we will not let this happen to one more. We *must* stand up ... if not now, *when*?
And no one will care. Least of all those who remember the glee, the celebration from the Cruz supporters of the President's demise. Schadenfreude is an equal opportunity bitch.
It's going to get increasingly difficult for people to support this idea of a Deep State plot to get Trump when the US Attorney that authorized this raid on Cohen was hand picked by the president after interviews. At the time, it raised questions of impartiality. From last October.......
President Donald Trump has personally interviewed at least two potential candidates for U.S. attorney positions in New York, according to two sources familiar with the matter — a move that critics say raises questions about whether they can be sufficiently independent from the president.
Trump has interviewed Geoffrey Berman, who is currently at the law firm Greenberg Traurig for the job of U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, and Ed McNally of the firm Kasowitz Benson Torres for the Eastern District post, according to the sources.
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The White House did not deny that Trump had personally conducted the interviews with those two candidates. A White House official noted: “These are individuals that the president nominates and the Senate confirms under Article II of the Constitution.â€
“We realize Senate Democrats would like to reduce this President’s constitutional powers,†the White House official said. “But he and other presidents before him and after may talk to individuals nominated to positions within the executive branch.â€
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/19/trump-us-attorney-interviews-243962 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/19/trump-us-attorney-interviews-243962)
Yes, awfully tough for the President to distance himself from Berman given that he interviewed him. Not only was the guy who authorized the raid interviewed and appointed by the President but the raid itself was conducted by FBI agents who report up to Trump’s appointee, Christopher Wray. I also doubt that Berman would authorize this raid without consulting with DOJ headquarters so there’s another one or two more (Rosenstein, Sessions) Trump appointees who potentially touched this.
The part of this that bothers me is that it now appears that Mueller and his Number 2 are working hand in glove with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. The fact that is happening means Mueller is going way far afield of what HIS powers are supposed to be.
Mueller is trying to goad Trump into firing him...
Trump should do it. And not by Tweet.
And he should do it in front of a gaggle of media in the East Room then say "I made this decision in the interest of the people of the United States because as long as the left and Mr. Mueller continue to drag out an unnecessary time and money consuming investigation that has proven that it was my Democrat opponent not myself that was in collusion with the Russians...it distracts from my ability to conduct the business of the United States."
Don't fire him, just cut off his funds. See how far he gets when the checks start bouncing, and cards start being refused.
The part of this that bothers me is that it now appears that Mueller and his Number 2 are working hand in glove with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. The fact that is happening means Mueller is going way far afield of what HIS powers are supposed to be.
Interesting that you see this as Mueller going "far afield of what his powers are supposed to be". I find it just the opposite. Folks have been complaining for months about how Mueller is supposedly investigating things not in his purview (of course, his purview is determined by a Trump appointee Rosenstein). Regardless, in this case, I haven't seen any evidence that Mueller is working "hand in glove with the US Attorney for the Southern District". What I have seen is that Mueller apparently found something outside his purview. He referred that to the US Attorney for the South District, who then decided whether he believed there was sufficient evidence to pursue a warrant. At that point, Mueller was out of it. From other US Attorneys I've seen on TV, they've indicated that they got referrals all the time. Once they did, it was entirely up to them whether to criminally pursue through a further investigation or a warrant. Once referred, the referring organization is out of it apparently.
@txradioguy
Please recall 500 FBI files 'found' in the White House living quarters.IIRC, it was over 900, last count, and piped to the DNC on a LAN. They should have all been prosecuted then, and it is no wonder that the concept of ''classified' is so lost on them.
That one little 'story' instilled fear in any thinking person. Add a 'suicide' here or a murder there...and pretty soon, one could get a 'targeted' person to do just about anything.
...even a freaking secrest FISA judge.
@Concerned
I just see it as having nothing to do with the investigation into Russian collusion...which is what Mueller is charged with "investigating". He's casting a much wider net in his fishing expedition IMHO than he was tasked to do and it's specifically to try and squeeze anyone who's ever done business with Trump to roll on him to give the Dems what they want.
To me he's beginning to suffer from mission creep the same way Ken Starr did.
IIRC he was originally tasked with investigating White Water and ended up stumbling into the Lewinsky scandal.
@Concerned
I just see it as having nothing to do with the investigation into Russian collusion...which is what Mueller is charged with "investigating". He's casting a much wider net in his fishing expedition IMHO than he was tasked to do and it's specifically to try and squeeze anyone who's ever done business with Trump to roll on him to give the Dems what they want.
To me he's beginning to suffer from mission creep the same way Ken Starr did.
IIRC he was originally tasked with investigating White Water and ended up stumbling into the Lewinsky scandal.
This will enable Mueller to seek a grand jury subpoena, which would lead to free questioning of the president with no counsel present. Trump can be expected to delcine to honor such a subpoena, which would set off a constitutional criss, and help along the impeachment movement.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/04/the_raid_on_trumps_lawyer_why_and_why_now.html#ixzz5CHLth3J0 (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/04/the_raid_on_trumps_lawyer_why_and_why_now.html#ixzz5CHLth3J0)
@txradioguy
But we don't know how Mueller found evidence of a potential crime involving Michael Cohen. I suspect it was simply in the natural course of the investigation he was tasked with by Rosenstein. If there's evidence that he's "casting a much wider net" outside of that tasked and approved by Rosenstein, then that's definitely a problem. I just have't seen evidence of that yet (although I know many like to paint Mueller as the boogeyman).
Regardless, if, in the natural course of his investigation, Mueller were to discover, for example, evidence identifying a murderer, I’d certainly hope and expect him to refer that evidence to the appropriate US attorney/prosecutor to pursue. If he found evidence of a crime by Michael Cohen (or anyone else), I’d hope and expect he’d refer that to the appropriate office also, and it appears that he did just that. JMO. We obviously see this differently which is A-OK with me. :seeya:
The goal isn't necessarily impeachment. It's just to create "Trump fatigue" where people just get tired of constantly hearing about this on TV, so they want Trump gone just so they don't have to hear about this crap anymore.Kinda like Watergate.....It's all that was on the tube for weeks.
And it just might work.
I wonder if anyone recalls that it was Comey and Mueller together who botched the investigation of the 2001 anthrax letter attacks?
“...the FBI ignored a 2002 tip from a scientific colleague of the actual anthrax killer, who turned out to be a Fort Detrick scientist named Bruce Edwards Ivins; the reason is that they had quickly obsessed on an innocent man named Steven Hatfill...â€
https://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/21/comey-mueller-bungled-big-anthrax-case-together/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/21/comey-mueller-bungled-big-anthrax-case-together/)
I wonder if anyone recalls that it was Comey and Mueller together who botched the investigation of the 2001 anthrax letter attacks?
“...the FBI ignored a 2002 tip from a scientific colleague of the actual anthrax killer, who turned out to be a Fort Detrick scientist named Bruce Edwards Ivins; the reason is that they had quickly obsessed on an innocent man named Steven Hatfill...â€
https://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/21/comey-mueller-bungled-big-anthrax-case-together/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/21/comey-mueller-bungled-big-anthrax-case-together/)
To me he's beginning to suffer from mission creep the same way Ken Starr did.
IIRC he was originally tasked with investigating White Water and ended up stumbling into the Lewinsky scandal.
....By the way, eventually the government had to settle with Steven Hatfill to the tune of millions.That man went through 5 years of unmitigated Hell over that.
....By the way, eventually the government had to settle with Steven Hatfill to the tune of millions.
This is payback for White Water/Lewinsky, impeaching Clinton.
Makes one wonder how GW Bush escaped? Maybe all of the photos of the Clintons with the Bushes explains more than a friendly relationship between two political family dynasties.
As in status quo. As in never can seem to get borders protected, or wars fully won, etc.
As in Trump is a dangerous outsider, and he threatens their comfortable, cordial status quo.
I just hope that the POTUS gets pissed off enough that he finds a way to rip the rock off the swarming critters of the Obama administration and start prosecuting them and any others who have been complicit in their egregious crimes up to and likely including treason.
Going scorched earth on the rest of the career bureaucrat appointees still lodged in DC nooks & crannies would be Trump's best course to take. Fire, prosecute, whatever.
Hit the deep state bastards where they live and deny it has anything to do with the investigation. If they succeed in hobbling his presidency at least disassemble their machine in exchange.
I'm beginning to come around to this idea. I think going "nuclear" may be the only way to expose the cockroaches.
I'm beginning to come around to this idea. I think going "nuclear" may be the only way to expose the cockroaches.
I disagree. Losing it (going nuclear) is what the idiot left wants Trump to do. He needs to remain calm, cool and collected in the knowledge that Mueller & Co. have NOTHING they can use against him... which is why the desperation move on Cohen. The left's attempts to provoke Trump to react is something Trump 'should' not only be aware of, but he should be fully able to handle and deal with accordingly.... since he's such an experienced "deal-maker/negotiator". That's how I see it.
The media would have a field day. So would many of the 'round-the-bend- NTs.....the ones that still refuse to cut the man a break.
And yet, reading some of the more outspoken critics here who cringe at the sight of his name on the screen... that's the 'break'...the thaw that might be needed to bring some of us back on the same bench.
I'm seeing rabid Trump haters express anger on this thread...at what the alphabets are getting away with.
They will have to ultimately support, or at a minimum, encourage President Trump to "Go Nuclear!" :laugh: ....providing 'advice' all day, everyday.
Rush just agreed with you. ^-^
I disagree. Losing it (going nuclear) is what the idiot left wants Trump to do. He needs to remain calm, cool and collected in the knowledge that Mueller & Co. have NOTHING they can use against him... which is why the desperation move on Cohen. The left's attempts to provoke Trump to react is something Trump 'should' not only be aware of, but he should be fully able to handle and deal with accordingly.... since he's such an experienced "deal-maker/negotiator". That's how I see it.
It's also going to take rabid Trump lovers to admit when and where he's wrong to bring us all back together. The anger and resentment will remain as long as one side refuses to budge.
(As you know, I'm agnostic. I like some things Trump has done, don't like the more boneheaded things. I don't care for DT as a person, but then I don't feel that it matters much whether little ol' me likes him personally or not as long as he does the right things in his capacity as president.)
Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.
It's also going to take rabid Trump lovers to admit when and where he's wrong to bring us all back together. The anger and resentment will remain as long as one side refuses to budge.
(As you know, I'm agnostic. I like some things Trump has done, don't like the more boneheaded things. I don't care for DT as a person, but then I don't feel that it matters much whether little ol' me likes him personally or not as long as he does the right things in his capacity as president.)
Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, regardless of who is in which position.
Oh, I agree he should remain calm, cool and collected, but it's becoming increasingly clear that nothing short of an all out offensive is going to get to the corruption that is DC now.
Again, I don’t see the point of piling on Trump for whatever. The entire Washington establishment has their guns trained on the president, and we’re supposed to nit pick Trump? What’s the point? Okay, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s fighting our fight! If that hasn’t become obvious by now, I can’t see when it will for some our intransigent superiors here.
When the ""evidence"" used to produce the warrant turns up insufficient or inadequate (sound familiar?).... Trump should push Congress to defund the ad infinitum witch-hunt against Trump's bogus collusion investigation... which has turned up no evidence of any kind. Any GOPer who refuses to do so should be considered to be on the OTHER (rat) side of the aisle, at this point.
Once the investigation is gone and over.... Trump should then proceed to 'go after' the swamp critters. Cause they're damned sure still going to be going after Trump, albeit under the radar.
Right now, he should focus on getting to that point where he can feel free to do an all out offensive. Now is crucial... and if he blows it, he WILL be impeached due to loss of confidence among voters .... which will hand control back to the rats.
What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, regardless of who is in which position.
This witch hunt just keeps going, but there are other fish to fry. Like I have commented, the Fire engines are chasing a guy with a cigarette, while the refinery is burning across town.
The crimes of the past administration, many and egregious, have not been addressed, while they try to find something Trump may have done wrong. It's obvious, politically motivated (not legally motivated, as in evidence of a law having been broken). Cast this broad a net on the other side of the boat, and they won't be able to put it all on deck at once.
@XenaLee
I think playing nice is a losing game plan. He needs to clean house. Turn over all their existing investigations to the marshals and give a pink slip to the Agency.
You've always been a 'Steady Eddie' @Sanguine regarding Trump the candidate...the Nominee...and the POTUS.
Let me be clearer. Not looking for the day when everybody feels the same way I do about the man.
My life experiences compel me to trust the man with my life....in this day and age. The epitome of "Man for the Times".
If you've got another name other than 'Trump', given the current state of the not-so-velvet coup taking place....let's hear it. :laugh:
Mostly agree. I obviously am not one of Trump's fans, but what has taken place the past few days should give every American a chill. Case study on what a out of control governmental agency can do when left to run amok.
I will support the POT"US when he does right, and call him out when he screws up too. That's being objective.
He has no other real choice right now. The left knows he has a hot temper. They're counting on making him lose it. If he stops playing nice AT THIS POINT.... he will be toast (which is what the left is wet-dreaming about as we speak).
As they say, "You don't get to fight with the Army you want, you have to fight with the Army you have." And like it or not, Trump is the Army we have.
I’m glad you used that analogy, because I see this as war. When war becomes necessary you must do anything to win, even to the point of “sacrificing your principles†to use a worn out phrase. To do anything less is political death.
No, Trump is the President. I was only addressing the point that both sides of the ET/NT divide have to admit some things before there can be any reconciliation.
And, yes, the current events give me a chill and should every liberty-loving person.
I’m glad you used that analogy, because I see this as war. When war becomes necessary you must do anything to win, even to the point of “sacrificing your principles†to use a worn out phrase. To do anything less is political death.
IMO he's toast if he doesn't. Its obvious the left has little concern for the rule of law and will go to any length to find a crime. The GOPe and Dems must get rid of him otherwise it could be them going to jail.
Mostly agree. I obviously am not one of Trump's fans, but what has taken place the past few days should give every American a chill. Case study on what a out of control governmental agency can do when left to run amok.
I’m glad you used that analogy, because I see this as war. When war becomes necessary you must do anything to win, even to the point of “sacrificing your principles†to use a worn out phrase. To do anything less is political death.
Then there is no point fighting at all if principles are not the reason one is willing to go into combat for.
If I'm required to sacrifice my principles in order to "win", then I've won absolutely nothing at all, and have simply traded one form of despotism for another.
What you are advocating sir, by advocating we abandon principles in order to 'win', is a French Revolution styled bloodbath.
I will not be party to that.
Then there is no point fighting at all if principles are not the reason one is willing to go into combat for.
If I'm required to sacrifice my principles in order to "win", then I've won absolutely nothing at all, and have simply traded one form of despotism for another.
What you are advocating sir, by advocating we abandon principles in order to 'win', is a French Revolution styled bloodbath.
I will not be party to that.
It was fortunate for our brand new republic, and its progeny with their principles, that the Sons of Liberty did not share your view.
Oh really? The Sons of Liberty sacrificed their principles and went on to rape and pillage and kill redcoats just because they felt like it?
They rioted, destroyed private property, kidnapped and beat political opponents.
But not just 'because they felt like it'.
They were defending THEIR......{{{drumroll......cymbal!!!}}} TA-DAH.......principles.
It served their end goals.
History is rife with examples of virtuous people committing less than virtuous acts in service of a higher purpose.
Its just an ugly reality.
Agree totally, @skeeter
...was just ribbing @INVAR who apparently won't recognize the opposing POV not giving in to their principles.
So...as some frightfully posted today...this cannot end by peaceful means.
Geez....today, some idiot in Washington, DC, put forth a bill that would allow 16 years olds the vote.
They can have a coordinated get-out-the-vote for all high-schoolers.
It served their end goals.
History is rife with examples of virtuous people committing less than virtuous acts in service of a higher purpose.
Its just an ugly reality.
They rioted, destroyed private property, kidnapped and beat political opponents.
But not just 'because they felt like it'.
The ends justify the means is the tool that has been used throughout history to commit atrocities. It is how people end up in ovens. They thought they were virtuous in doing so, for the greater good...
That is the slippery slope to downright evil.
The ends justify the means is the tool that has been used throughout history to commit atrocities. It is how people end up in ovens. They thought they were virtuous in doing so, for the greater good...
That is the slippery slope to downright evil.
The ends justify the means is the tool that has been used throughout history to commit atrocities. It is how people end up in ovens. They thought they were virtuous in doing so, for the greater good...
That is the slippery slope to downright evil.
@DB
People weren't put into the ovens of Germany under the guise that it was a bad thing for a good cause.
No they were put in the ovens because the German people had accepted that jews were lesser and to remove them was a good thing.
There is a stark difference between fighting for a just-cause war based on principles of liberty against a lawless and tyrannical power, and a means-to-an-end, whatever-goes melee for punishment's sake because you hate the certain politics and beliefs, property or wealth of a people.
Thats a convenient distinction to make for your argument, but your first sentence neatly summarizes what many of us whom you regularly condemn feel we are supporting.
...as is being done right now with 'Conservatives'. Their voices (weapons) are being silenced. They are being villainized.
True, but it also helped win independence for oppressed peoples and wars against tyrannies.
I'm sure God's will fits in here somewhere.
And the sad thing is most of the villianization is coming from within.
Like hell.
Put out the match, @txradioguy :laugh:
@skeeter Unfortunately, I've also see this argument accompanied by the idea that, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." ;(
Thats a convenient distinction to make for your argument, but your first sentence neatly summarizes what many of us whom you regularly condemn feel we are supporting.
@skeeter Unfortunately, I've also see this argument accompanied by the idea that, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." ;(
I get the same argument from those pastors who tell me that they are supporting the Gospel by having homosexual Marriage in their congregation and promoting Chrislam from the pulpit.
They say it is filling their pews and the donation baskets.
I simply recognize that as apostasy.
Yeah, they win numbers and fill their seats with Muslims and the debased who have no desire to conform to biblical standards, simply chalk-up another victory that their demand for acceptance and celebration wins another chump. But they've sold their souls to Satan, and have in reality won nothing.
I understand and agree, having recently been driven out of the church I've attended for thirty years for exactly the same reason.
But that has nothing to do with what I've said here.
And meanwhile.... while all of this domestic BS is ongoing.... we could very well be about to get into a real shooting war over Syria. I can see it now... Russia is launching missiles over the USA, they're going off, but still CNN and the lamestream media are talking about "Stormy" and impeaching Trump.
Then there is no point fighting at all if principles are not the reason one is willing to go into combat for.
If I'm required to sacrifice my principles in order to "win", then I've won absolutely nothing at all, and have simply traded one form of despotism for another.
What you are advocating sir, by advocating we abandon principles in order to 'win', is a French Revolution styled bloodbath.
I will not be party to that.
You don't see the connection between politically surrendering principles for expedience to 'win a war' and what happened when churches did the same thing to 'win' converts?
That's disconcerting.
I’m not asking that you start kicking puppies or cussing your mom. I’m talking about preserving America as we knew it. If we don’t stop the political Left (democrats) – and if there ever was a time it’s now – we will lose America as founded.
It was fortunate for our brand new republic, and its progeny with their principles, that the Sons of Liberty did not share your view.
Tying my wagon to a lifelong Liberal Democrat spewing populist talking points, or supporting a wholly corrupted pretend opposition party that has outdone the Democrats in funding and making their agenda their own, is not my idea of fighting the Political Left.
You have a society and culture to recapture and reeducate before you can expect politics to reflect an America as it was intended upon it's founding.
That does not happen by electing people to high office. That simply ensures our fate because we were not a country founded from the top on down, but the bottom on up.
Perhaps its because of the vague use of the term 'principles'.
You've already acknowledged that fighting for a just-cause war based on principles of liberty against a lawless and tyrannical power is a righteous thing.
Maybe you can tell me what line you would not cross, and that others here have endorsed crossing, in service of this goal.
He's all loud talk, period.
I think the election in 2016 answers that question.
But then, I was told I am an enemy of the state for refusing to support Trump and that my 'treason' will be dealt with 'when the time comes', so obviously my definitions of principles and liberty and lines I will not cross are totally incompatible with what the majority of Republicans are now willing to think and do.
In fact I'm having an argument right now with "Trump Conservatives" over imposing gun registration schemes and using the government to regulate Facebook.
Okay, I give up. You’re right. Principles [The Perfect] are better than [The Good]: Stopping the hijack of America as founded.
Aside; has anyone ever convinced you of anything?
Averting a constitutional crisis carry any sway with you?
The thought of a speaker Pelosi gaveling impeachment hearings give you any pause? Anything?
Perhaps you would be so good as to show us all how you properly tar and feather a public official then Mr. Action.I have been involved with local issues and candidates for decades. I have letters published in major papers.
However, @Frank Cannon has convinced me that I'm a dick - and I embrace his view of that, though I admit I have no intention of repenting.
How about you? You talk as if you have given up, except waiting for civil war.
I was a Republican Precinct Captain in Cook County IL for 12 years banging on doors and serving the GOP in time, and money and all kinds of fun encounters with Union thugs on the streets and corrupt cops and officials at polling places. I served in the Campaign of Peter Fitzgerald for Mosely Braun's seat. All for naught when he quit, the reason said to be that he saw the futility of it all under the GOP leadership even back then.You give up. I don't give up. I stick my neck out. I am notorious in fact, probably too much so.
Got out of the state 20 years ago when it was self-evident it was a lost cause and detrimental to raising my family there.
Worked to get Rand Paul elected locally, and watched Team Mitch destroy our TEA Party and destroy Matt Bevin whom we ended up getting into the Governors mansion two years later.
Since then, I watched what the GOP has done - and yes - I've given up any hope in it. When it is self-evident that a cause is lost - I move on and away to fight my battle from a place where I am not going to be shot in the back by my own party and leaders.
As far as civil war goes - one does not need to be able to read tea leaves to see where things are headed.
People who survive disasters are usually the ones who have anticipated them in advance. The victims are usually the ones who put their faith in their surroundings and what is familiar and freeze up when calamity strikes.
You give up. I don't give up. I stick my neck out. I am notorious in fact, probably too much so.
I get the same argument from those pastors who tell me that they are supporting the Gospel by having homosexual Marriage in their congregation and promoting Chrislam from the pulpit.
They say it is filling their pews and the donation baskets.
I'm not fond of practicing insanity. You are welcome to call that giving up all you like.
When it becomes self-evident that efforts are futile in the face of corruption and tyranny - I find no use in serving it in the vain hope of a better outcome.
I look to other avenues and places that afford me the space to operate.
Even if it means I go guerrilla, or start over somewhere else.
You give up. I don't give up. I stick my neck out. I am notorious in fact, probably too much so.
You are not alone @INVAR To continue rewarding the populist Republicans with reelection as they decide to spend our nation further and further into debt is indeed insane. Just because "The King of Debt" is currently the President doesn't mean we should continue the Obama deficit spending that so many criticized. The hypocrisy is sickening to me.
@INVAR has stuck to his conservative principals and his moral compass regardless of the ridiculous hyperbole and ridicule he's received.
You threw up your hanss and cast your lot with a faux Republican who keeps leaning left.
Tell me again who actually gave up?
If a GD tidal wave of blood thirsty Leftism is about to hit your door...and all you have to use to secure it is a Republican log, you bleeping use it.
Anything less is figurative suicide, with literal soon-to-follow.
That is, if you cherished your God given rights enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Otherwise, carry on. *****rollingeyes*****
If a GD tidal wave of blood thirsty Leftism is about to hit your door...and all you have to use to secure it is a Republican log, you bleeping use it.
Oh that's easy. This is a Republic and each persons vote counts ts the same.
If you piss everyone off and can't work with anyone then you are by yourself. Which makes you irrelevant.
Its true, each persons vote counts the same.
Which is why I've become a single issue voter - anyone willing to do something about the flood of illegals anchor babies, chain migrants, etc slowly overwhelming the system gets my support. Because if nothing is done about this single issue and soon all is lost anyway.
Trump is trying to do something. So he gets my support.
If he succeeds (and thats unlikely at this point) and consequently salvages our representative system as a result, meaning we can at least hope to eventually address those other issues, it'll be no thanks to a few people I can think of.
What's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, regardless of who is in which position.
This witch hunt just keeps going, but there are other fish to fry. Like I have commented, the Fire engines are chasing a guy with a cigarette, while the refinery is burning across town.
The crimes of the past administration, many and egregious, have not been addressed, while they try to find something Trump may have done wrong. It's obvious, politically motivated (not legally motivated, as in evidence of a law having been broken). Cast this broad a net on the other side of the boat, and they won't be able to put it all on deck at once.
If a GD tidal wave of blood thirsty Leftism is about to hit your door...and all you have to use to secure it is a Republican log, you bleeping use it.
Ah, but that's not all you had. You had two logs - one a Conservative log, and the other a populist log who had spent the vast majority of his life as a Democrat. You had one log who bucked against the old guard and empowered the grass roots to bring down the GOP establish while the other log embraced the establishment and gave them free reign in choosing his convention delegates. You had one log who steadfastly opposed illegal immigration while the other log offered touchback amnesty to illegals.
So enough with this false dilemma about Trump being the only log. He wasn't. There was a Conservative log out there too. You just chose to back the one who backed McConnell, Priebus, et al.
Please, @HoodatThen why is your emoji still beating on the other one?
Go outside and feel the sun. Nobody's fighting that Conservative vs. Populist bullshit war anymore.
Snap the hell out of it! 22222frying pan
Then why is your emoji still beating on the other one?
Please, @Hoodat
Go outside and feel the sun. Nobody's fighting that Conservative vs. Populist bullshit war anymore.
Snap the hell out of it! 22222frying pan
That 'war' has been won. ........And, you're welcome, BTW.I think that half of the people who voted for him would have voted for anyone over Hillary, and the rest were the ones telling us a vote for anyone but the GOP candidate was a vote for Hillary, so I ain't buying what you're selling.
Ted Cruz. Jesus Christ. Neither one of them could have beat Hillary Clinton.
It took Donald Trump to show how it done.
I think that half of the people who voted for him would have voted for anyone over Hillary, and the rest were the ones telling us a vote for anyone but the GOP candidate was a vote for Hillary, so I ain't buying what you're selling.
When Hillary is in prison (and not just visiting), when the wall is built, when the ACA is gone "root and branch" maybe we can have this conversation again. I'll stick with being Conservative, and when the last vote is in, the one that really counts, we'll see who won.
Have a nice day.
Anyone "should have" beaten Barack Obama, but GOPe Standard-Bearers McCain and Romney couldn't.McCain had all those 'leaks' about Sarah Palin and went back to the Senate to vote Democrat afterwards. Make of that what you will. I think Hillary has his FBI file....
I think that half of the people who voted for him would have voted for anyone over Hillary, and the rest were the ones telling us a vote for anyone but the GOP candidate was a vote for Hillary, so I ain't buying what you're selling.@Smokin Joe
@Smokin Joe
I don't think Trump can win again. I was thinking about this today. Every day is Trump chaos. Working people come home every day and their news is trouble involving Trump; every day it is trouble involving Trump.
I think that half of the people who voted for him would have voted for anyone over Hillary, and the rest were the ones telling us a vote for anyone but the GOP candidate was a vote for Hillary, so I ain't buying what you're selling.
So if Donny was so weak, why couldn't Cruz get close to beating him in the Primary? Oh. That's right. Nobody wanted Cruz.
Please, @Hoodat
Go outside and feel the sun. Nobody's fighting that Conservative vs. Populist bullshit war anymore.
"The Wall!"
Is the answer.
And you still don't have a wall.
I have benefited more from 1 year of Trump than many years of Cruz. As a matter of fact I can't think of one thing Cruz has spearheaded that put money in my pocket or freedom at my doorstep.
@Smokin JoeIn all fairness, @Victoria33 , the chaos is a media creation as much or more as Trump's doing. He gets full credit for his twitter habit, but even a lot of that is in response to actions by the MSM.
I don't think Trump can win again. I was thinking about this today. Every day is Trump chaos. Working people come home every day and their news is trouble involving Trump; every day it is trouble involving Trump. They want peace in their house, in their government so they can do their every day job and live in peace. They get no peace from Trump's government. By the time 2020 gets here, they are going to vote to stop the chaos Trump brings with him. If you look back in Trump's history, all his adult life is living in chaos with one court case after another, always angry at others and trying to take them down and it never stopped during his adult life and he is the same now; always chaos. I think people are fed up with this now, and certainly will be by 2020. People don't want constant chaos in their government. They aren't going to vote for him if he lasts until 2020. I am saying Republicans aren't going to vote for him, either, because everyday Republicans don't want this chaos, either. I am thinking of the behavior of normal people; they don't want this in their lives - they have enough to deal with to keep food on the table and get family to the doctor and to school, and they are going to reject Trump chaos so they don't have to deal with it.
Trump defies labeling. Whatever this ‘populism’ thing is, Trump’s instincts and actions have been conservative and that comes from his work ethic and his upbringing. Just ignore his odd speech pattern and half of what he says and pay attention to what he does, it’s mostly conservative.
I have benefited more from 1 year of Trump than many years of Cruz. As a matter of fact I can't think of one thing Cruz has spearheaded that put money in my pocket or freedom at my doorstep.Cruz has never been in a position to order other orders rescinded or appoint people who could roll back regulations. His voice is one in 535.
Just ignore his odd speech pattern and half of what he says and pay attention to what he does, it’s mostly conservative.
Just ignore his odd speech pattern and half of what he says and pay attention to what he does, it’s mostly conservative.
It isn't government's job to put money in my pocket, anyway, just get it the Hell out of the way, and I'll take care of the rest.
@Smokin JoeYou are too kind. More likely, I'd be cleaning the stables.... :laugh:
I will answer you more fully tonight or in the morning. The maids will soon be here to clean the house, then we go to a casino. There is a reason for going there today.
I see a new thread which says a numerologist thinks Christ is coming for Christians on April 23.
If that happens, we can meet in heaven and have a talk while drinking Heaven's wine. Jesus said he has prepared a place for us. Also, your good works on earth rack up points for you in heaven. Based on that, I'm hoping for Duplex housing. If you get a mansion, we'll meet at your house.
It will soon come to pass that #MAGA will mean 'My Attorney Got Arrested'.
I see a new thread which says a numerologist thinks Christ is coming for Christians on April 23.
Jesus is coming! Look busy!
@Smokin Joe
I will answer you more fully tonight or in the morning. The maids will soon be here to clean the house, then we go to a casino. There is a reason for going there today.
I see a new thread which says a numerologist thinks Christ is coming for Christians on April 23.
If that happens, we can meet in heaven and have a talk while drinking Heaven's wine. Jesus said he has prepared a place for us. Also, your good works on earth rack up points for you in heaven. Based on that, I'm hoping for Duplex housing. If you get a mansion, we'll meet at your house.