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General Category => Elections 2020 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on September 12, 2020, 12:23:29 am
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Donald Trump says he will put down 'INSURRECTION' if he is declared winner and there are riots on election night
The president vowed to crush any rioting should opponents 'threaten riots' if they lose on Election Night
Trump said it was 'called insurrection' and vowed to 'put it down within minutes'
Trump has inveighed against mail-in ballots and says the results should be known Election Day
By Geoff Earle, Deputy U.s. Political Editor For Dailymail.com
Published: 12:40 EDT, 11 September 2020 | Updated: 17:47 EDT, 11 September 2020
President Donald Trump is vowing to crush any 'riots' that occur among opposition should he be declared the winner on Election night – saying he would 'put it down within minutes.'
Trump was asked about the hypothetical scenario by Fox News host Jeanine Pirro – who mentioned 'threats' of riots without providing specifics.
'Let's say there are threats. They say that they are going to threaten riots if they lose on election night, assuming we get a winner on election night. What are you going to do?' the host asked him.
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@mystery-ak
Oh,yeah!
Deys agonna be a new sheriff in town the same day Trump is sworn in on his final term!
If the left thinks he is out of control now,just wait and see what out of control really looks like from a leftist,anti-American POV.
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@mystery-ak
Oh,yeah!
Deys agonna be a new sheriff in town the same day Trump is sworn in on his final term!
If the left thinks he is out of control now,just wait and see what out of control really looks like from a leftist,anti-American POV.
Empty threats have long since lost their impact.
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Just declare open season on looters and rioters.
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Empty threats have long since lost their impact.
@RedHead
WHAT "empty threats"?
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Empty threats have long since lost their impact.
Please provide detail.
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I'm having a bad feeling about November and it's not directly the election itself, but the resultant chaos from them.
I hope I"m wrong.
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I'm having a bad feeling about November and it's not directly the election itself, but the resultant chaos from them.
I hope I"m wrong.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
When I am feeling insanely optimistic,I think there is going to be an actual election between Slow Joe and Trump.
When I come back down to reality,I am predicting revolution and fighting in the streets.
BTW,when I say "fighting in the streets" I don't mean the one-sided nonsense we see now with only the radical left and the useful fools fighting against property and civilization,I mean actual gunfire exchanges between the left and the right,and chaos all around.
Don't like it a bit,but that's what I see. The left understands they either seize power now,or lose what they already have and forever be in the shadows. It's all or nothing for them.
It is also all or nothing for those of us who support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights,but damn few of us seem to realize this at this point.
Or refuse to recognize it because the thought is just too terrible to contemplate.
It's going to happen,though. We either fight back and defeat them,or we surrender and become slaves. Those are the only two options we will have. Anybody that things there is a middle-ground where we can meet and compromise is a fool.
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Empty threats have long since lost their impact.
He is just stating a fact. Nothing to lose. The gloves are coming off.
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@RedHead
WHAT "empty threats"?
We are all waiting. :thumbsup:
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@RedHead
WHAT "empty threats"?
He threatened to send federal authorities to New York, troops to Portland. He's threatened to defund sanctuary cities, cut off funds for California to fight fires, the list is endless. Trump is the master of the empty threat.
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He threatened to send federal authorities to New York, troops to Portland.
He OFFERED to send federal authorities IF the locals ask for the help.
He's threatened to defund sanctuary cities, cut off funds for California to fight fires, the list is endless.
I'm sorry. Was there a new federal budget passed and I missed it?
Trump is the master of the empty threat.
Keep telling yourself that.
In FACT if you believe it,vote for him on election day,because it's clear you want all that to be true.
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@mystery-ak
Oh,yeah!
Deys agonna be a new sheriff in town the same day Trump is sworn in on his final term!
If the left thinks he is out of control now,just wait and see what out of control really looks like from a leftist,anti-American POV.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Be careful what you wish for.
@roamer_1
Trump has no interest in being a dictator,and cracking down on the terrorist and illegality of the left is NOT a sign of any desire to be a dictator.
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@roamer_1
Trump has no interest in being a dictator.
He also has no interest in being a conservative. There are legacies to be made. What that looks like to him might not be what you think it is.
Walls that keep people out are often used to keep people in.
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Empty threats have long since lost their impact.
A 'Show Me' redhead... I reckon you'll do. :beer: :seeya:
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He also has no interest in being a conservative.
@roamer_1
At least no interest in being YOUR type of "conservative".
He lives in the real world,and knows he can't dictate laws,as well as understands the fact that reality does NOT work like fantasies.
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@roamer_1
At least no interest in being YOUR type of "conservative".
There is only one type of conservative. In picking your nits you shall cause the word to mean nothing.
He lives in the real world,and knows he can't dictate laws,as well as understands the fact that reality does NOT work like fantasies.
Yeah. Just wait for that DACA crap to unwind. I will predict it right here: Tumpy, if re-elected, will preside over the biggest amnesty since Reagan. Watch and see.
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@roamer_1
Trump has no interest in being a dictator,and cracking down on the terrorist and illegality of the left is NOT a sign of any desire to be a dictator.
It's the Rats that are interested in creating a dictatorship. It's the only way they can impose their restructuring of America on us.
I think there is a real possibility that if the election is at all close electorally that swing state Gov.'s will try to push electors to vote against the popular vote of their state and vote for Biden instead. They will use the argument that all the mail in votes haven't been counted, or Trump suppressed the vote.
A great article about this can be read at: https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/11/the-left-is-setting-the-stage-for-a-coup-if-trump-wins/
All the rioting and protests by the commies is only the start of whats coming. We may well be seeing the beginning of the ultimate separation of the country. We have at least one, maybe two, generations that have been indoctrinated with critical race theory. The culture has been transformed and the media, news and entertainment, are full fledged propagandists for collectivism.
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It's the Rats that are interested in creating a dictatorship. It's the only way they can impose their restructuring of America on us.
I think there is a real possibility that if the election is at all close electorally that swing state Gov.'s will try to push electors to vote against the popular vote of their state and vote for Biden instead. They will use the argument that all the mail in votes haven't been counted, or Trump suppressed the vote.
A great article about this can be read at: https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/11/the-left-is-setting-the-stage-for-a-coup-if-trump-wins/
All the rioting and protests by the commies is only the start of whats coming. We may well be seeing the beginning of the ultimate separation of the country. We have at least one, maybe two, generations that have been indoctrinated with critical race theory. The culture has been transformed and the media, news and entertainment, are full fledged propagandists for collectivism.
If we deal with the rioters and looters as has been traditionally done (think 50+ years ago), there won't be any split, just mopping up. If the ringleaders are charged with sedition, especially those in the media, and their licenses are pulled, that should help end this. Of course, 9 of 10 university professors (some departments more than others) should be stripped of tenure and forbidden to teach so much as shapes and colors at a day care. The Communists who have fomented this insurrection need to be shut down.
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If we deal with the rioters and looters as has been traditionally done (think 50+ years ago), there won't be any split, just mopping up. If the ringleaders are charged with sedition, especially those in the media, and their licenses are pulled, that should help end this. Of course, 9 of 10 university professors (some departments more than others) should be stripped of tenure and forbidden to teach so much as shapes and colors at a day care. The Communists who have fomented this insurrection need to be shut down.
And that is exactly and precisely what is not happening. *****rollingeyes*****
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And that is exactly and precisely what is not happening. *****rollingeyes*****
There is a reason. I know a few folks who would be inclined to volunteer for such, but the bottom line is that the fastest way to see police re-funded, fully equipped, and the National Guard called into these Leftist enclaves, is to have a patriotic force show up and start cleaning house. Those cities would be locked down in a heartbeat, and anyone with half a brain knows it. Which is why people aren't taking matters into their own hands unless they absolutely have to.
In the meantime, take notes. This won't be like Iraq, the cards will come in Canasta decks.
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If we deal with the rioters and looters as has been traditionally done (think 50+ years ago), there won't be any split, just mopping up. If the ringleaders are charged with sedition, especially those in the media, and their licenses are pulled, that should help end this. Of course, 9 of 10 university professors (some departments more than others) should be stripped of tenure and forbidden to teach so much as shapes and colors at a day care. The Communists who have fomented this insurrection need to be shut down.
The problem is this is not the same country it was 50 years ago. The Rats will not tell law enforcement to go after the thugs. The local DA's will not prosecute the thugs. The military, or National Guard, may not obey if ordered to go in, we know the military bureaucracy is not entirely supportive of Trump. He has said so as well.
Also, we have already established with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states that local and state govts don't have to follow federal law.
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There is a reason. I know a few folks who would be inclined to volunteer for such, but the bottom line is that the fastest way to see police re-funded, fully equipped, and the National Guard called into these Leftist enclaves, is to have a patriotic force show up and start cleaning house. Those cities would be locked down in a heartbeat, and anyone with half a brain knows it. Which is why people aren't taking matters into their own hands unless they absolutely have to.
In the meantime, take notes. This won't be like Iraq, the cards will come in Canasta decks.
What if there are competing govt branches that don't agree with the outcome of the election? IOW, Congress is split. The House determines that Biden is the winner because mail in ballots weren't counted. The Senate declares Trump is the winner because he won the electoral college. The SCOTUS splits 5-4 in favor of a full recount including the mail-in ballots, after which of course Biden magically gains enough votes in swing states to give him the electoral majority.
Do we as conservatives follow the new govt as it begins to take away all our individual God given rights? Would the military back us?
I don't see a good outcome, unless of course Trump wins big and the Pubs take the House and Senate.
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Also, we have already established with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states that local and state govts don't have to follow federal law.
That is actually healthy. MT will gladly nullify abortion law and create a 2A sanctuary state, and I am all for it.
So cut off the federal money. Hooray! Cut it off from everyone. Nothing could be finer. Then these little fiefdoms will have to stand on their own, and they will not.
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There is a reason. I know a few folks who would be inclined to volunteer for such, but the bottom line is that the fastest way to see police re-funded, fully equipped, and the National Guard called into these Leftist enclaves, is to have a patriotic force show up and start cleaning house. Those cities would be locked down in a heartbeat, and anyone with half a brain knows it. Which is why people aren't taking matters into their own hands unless they absolutely have to.
In the meantime, take notes. This won't be like Iraq, the cards will come in Canasta decks.
The fascist game plan is to get rid of police so they can replace them with private unconstrained "police" who do their bidding.
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That is actually healthy. MT will gladly nullify abortion law and create a 2A sanctuary state, and I am all for it.
So cut off the federal money. Hooray! Cut it off from everyone. Nothing could be finer. Then these little fiefdoms will have to stand on their own, and they will not.
If they weren't stealing much of our earnings to be begin with.
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If they weren't stealing much of our earnings to be begin with.
All the better then, right? Get em off the federal teat and federal power starts heading back toward its intention.
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The problem is this is not the same country it was 50 years ago. The Rats will not tell law enforcement to go after the thugs. The local DA's will not prosecute the thugs. The military, or National Guard, may not obey if ordered to go in, we know the military bureaucracy is not entirely supportive of Trump. He has said so as well.
Also, we have already established with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states that local and state govts don't have to follow federal law.
@bilo
Sad,but true. All of it.
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What if there are competing govt branches that don't agree with the outcome of the election? IOW, Congress is split. The House determines that Biden is the winner because mail in ballots weren't counted. The Senate declares Trump is the winner because he won the electoral college. The SCOTUS splits 5-4 in favor of a full recount including the mail-in ballots, after which of course Biden magically gains enough votes in swing states to give him the electoral majority.
Do we as conservatives follow the new govt as it begins to take away all our individual God given rights? Would the military back us?
I don't see a good outcome, unless of course Trump wins big and the Pubs take the House and Senate.
@bilo
ALL good questions,and nobody has the answers for any of them. Only guesses,based on our own personal biases.
I WOULD like to add that nobody knows how many "Republicans" will just refuse to vote,or vote Dim because "Orange man bad!" because he is divorced,has humped super models in the past,is rich,is rude,etc,etc,etc.
Airheads who allow personal biases and prejudices to defeat political reality.
The type of person would would shoot themselves in the foot before entering a dance contest.
There is no reasoning with these loons,and nobody knows what they are going to do.
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It's the Rats that are interested in creating a dictatorship. It's the only way they can impose their restructuring of America on us.
I think there is a real possibility that if the election is at all close electorally that swing state Gov.'s will try to push electors to vote against the popular vote of their state and vote for Biden instead. They will use the argument that all the mail in votes haven't been counted, or Trump suppressed the vote.
A great article about this can be read at: https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/11/the-left-is-setting-the-stage-for-a-coup-if-trump-wins/
All the rioting and protests by the commies is only the start of whats coming. We may well be seeing the beginning of the ultimate separation of the country. We have at least one, maybe two, generations that have been indoctrinated with critical race theory. The culture has been transformed and the media, news and entertainment, are full fledged propagandists for collectivism.
@bilo
I am in complete agreement.
Providing an election actually happens,of course. Seems to me the left knows they can't win,and are gearing up to turn the radical left loons loose to loot and plunder to the point they get the Martial Law decree they so desperately need to suspend the Constitution.
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If we deal with the rioters and looters as has been traditionally done (think 50+ years ago), there won't be any split, just mopping up. If the ringleaders are charged with sedition, especially those in the media, and their licenses are pulled, that should help end this. Of course, 9 of 10 university professors (some departments more than others) should be stripped of tenure and forbidden to teach so much as shapes and colors at a day care. The Communists who have fomented this insurrection need to be shut down.
@Smokin Joe
And if Santa brings me a magic elixir that I can drink to make me 25 years old and healthy again.
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And that is exactly and precisely what is not happening. *****rollingeyes*****
@roamer_1
Why are you,a non-participant in this election,complaining about others doing the same thing you are doing,which is nothing to stop the problems?
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Who in the hell is Trump trying to kid here? He is vowing to crush any 'riots' that occur among opposition should he be declared the winner on Election night – saying he would 'put it down within minutes.'
How many times is he going to make this promise and not keep it? He's made this promise since the day he walked over to St. John's with bible in hand and said he was going to end the violence very quickly he also promised several times to use the Insurrection Act.
All of his promises on this have been empty! He hasn't contained the riots yet and I have absolutely no reason to believe that he's going to do so should he win re-election.
BLM, Antifa and other groups already called his bluffs long ago.
Quite frankly, he is out and out lying on this issue!!
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@bilo
ALL good questions,and nobody has the answers for any of them. Only guesses,based on our own personal biases.
I WOULD like to add that nobody knows how many "Republicans" will just refuse to vote,or vote Dim because "Orange man bad!" because he is divorced,has humped super models in the past,is rich,is rude,etc,etc,etc.
Airheads who allow personal biases and prejudices to defeat political reality.
The type of person would would shoot themselves in the foot before entering a dance contest.
There is no reasoning with these loons,and nobody knows what they are going to do.
I can't see how Trump has lost any of his base and I don't think I'm alone among those that did not vote for Trump in 2016 and am happy to do so this time.
We are quickly approaching the point where everyone will not only have to pick sides, but will have to do so publicly. The cancel culture the Rats love is an existential threat to our Republic. I don't see the Rats accepting the election results if they can't steal it. It's just a question of how the majority chooses to respond.
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@roamer_1
Why are you,a non-participant in this election,complaining about others doing the same thing you are doing,which is nothing to stop the problems?
@sneakypete
Who the heck is non-participant? You can bet I will participate. As long as there are conservatives to vote for, they can certainly count on my support.
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I think we're not far from the point the shooting starts. The left is testing/pushing the boundaries to see where they are. So far not that much resistance.
This may be the last "peaceful" election - if it is peaceful.
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I think we're not far from the point the shooting starts. The left is testing/pushing the boundaries to see where they are. So far not that much resistance.
This may be the last "peaceful" election - if it is peaceful.
The shooting has already started in some cities...it's just a matter of time before the shooting is at our front doors. Peaceful election? The rioting started after Hillary declared that she won the majority vote and that Trump stole the election from her -- the left has continued to claim that he is not a legitimate president.
I believe what we've seen in the past several month is mild in comparison to what we are going to experience -- perhaps civil war and complete anarchy. All by design and help from the DEMS and various Soros funded groups.
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Who in the hell is Trump trying to kid here? He is vowing to crush any 'riots' that occur among opposition should he be declared the winner on Election night – saying he would 'put it down within minutes.'
How many times is he going to make this promise and not keep it? He's made this promise since the day he walked over to St. John's with bible in hand and said he was going to end the violence very quickly he also promised several times to use the Insurrection Act.
All of his promises on this have been empty! He hasn't contained the riots yet and I have absolutely no reason to believe that he's going to do so should he win re-election.
BLM, Antifa and other groups already called his bluffs long ago.
Quite frankly, he is out and out lying on this issue!!
Your frustration is understandable @libertybele But the reality is the other side and media would turn any actions the President takes with Federal troops in a victory for OBiden and AOC. Notice the President said "after I am declared the winner".
Thank heavens the President understands what's going on right now. happy77
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Your frustration is understandable @libertybele But the reality is the other side and media would turn any actions the President takes with Federal troops in a victory for OBiden and AOC. Notice the President said "after I am declared the winner".
Thank heavens the President understands what's going on right now. happy77
We'll see what happens -- continuing to make the same promises and not delivering doesn't exactly equate to keeping that same promise if elected -- even less incentive to make good on that promise after re-election.
At this point for me it is more fear than frustration -- fear that there will be massive interruptions at polling places and people won't get to vote and the votes that will be counted are of those that actually make it to the polls and mail-in-votes. Those that couldn't get into the polls - -their votes obviously won't get counted because the polls will close.
There has been a huge push in my county to vote by mail. We have received two applications now for mail-in voting. That has never happened in the 30 years that we've been down here. The application makes it look like it has been requested by the President himself, but the applications are being printed and mailed out by the county Supervisor of Elections.
Your opinion on what Trump should have done on this and my opinion on what he should have done are much different -- so I'm agreeing to just disagree on this. Your opinion has been noted.
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At this point for me it is more fear than frustration -- fear that there will be massive interruptions at polling places and people won't get to vote and the votes that will be counted are of those that actually make it to the polls and mail-in-votes. Those that couldn't get into the polls - -their votes obviously won't get counted because the polls will close.
The President's reelection campaign is in court across the country in an effort to stop this. POTUS talks about this issue every time he's in front of a microphone make sure people understand what's happening and how best to avoid the problems. What the hell else would you like the President to do @libertybele --- send armed federal agents to polling places, too?
Your opinion on what Trump should have done on this and my opinion on what he should have done are much different -- so I'm agreeing to just disagree on this. Your opinion has been noted.
Gee, how wonderful of you ... but I was expressing more than an opinion. I was telling you the strategy the administration is following to win, not lose, in November. If you don't like their strategy come up with a better one.
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I can't see how Trump has lost any of his base and I don't think I'm alone among those that did not vote for Trump in 2016 and am happy to do so this time.
We are quickly approaching the point where everyone will not only have to pick sides, but will have to do so publicly. The cancel culture the Rats love is an existential threat to our Republic. I don't see the Rats accepting the election results if they can't steal it. It's just a question of how the majority chooses to respond.
@bilo
And I don't see Republicans accepting it if the Dims steal the election.
So,either way,revolution is in the air.
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"Donald Trump says he will put down 'INSURRECTION' if he is declared winner"
VERY refreshing to hear him speak so plainly.
Particularly the use of the term "insurrection".
Name me ONE OTHER REPUBLICAN who might have been holding that office today who would have said as much.
Just one.
(I'm waiting...)
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Smokin Joe wrote:
"Of course, 9 of 10 university professors (some departments more than others) should be stripped of tenure and forbidden to teach so much as shapes and colors at a day care. The Communists who have fomented this insurrection need to be shut down."
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/target-bullseye-arrow-on-line-260nw-277466879.jpg)
We should bring back "the blacklist" for all positions where communists can exert influence over the populace, particularly the young. Prevent them from teaching, "reporting" (print media, broadcast, etc.), textbook writing, motion picture entertainment, etc. This was an important tool to fight communism that was effective back in the 1950's -- it should be brought back and expanded.
And finally:
For years in this forum, I've been promoting changing this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
To this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."
I'll go a step further, and add some additional text:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed and the followers of marx are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed or to the followers of marx."
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Smokin Joe wrote:
"Of course, 9 of 10 university professors (some departments more than others) should be stripped of tenure and forbidden to teach so much as shapes and colors at a day care. The Communists who have fomented this insurrection need to be shut down."
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/target-bullseye-arrow-on-line-260nw-277466879.jpg)
We should bring back "the blacklist" for all positions where communists can exert influence over the populace, particularly the young. Prevent them from teaching, "reporting" (print media, broadcast, etc.), textbook writing, motion picture entertainment, etc. This was an important tool to fight communism that was effective back in the 1950's -- it should be brought back and expanded.
And finally:
For years in this forum, I've been promoting changing this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
To this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."
I'll go a step further, and add some additional text:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed and the followers of marx are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed or to the followers of marx."
The things with lists... They get added to. Who else would eventually be stripped of their God given rights, hmmm?
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The President's reelection campaign is in court across the country in an effort to stop this. POTUS talks about this issue every time he's in front of a microphone make sure people understand what's happening and how best to avoid the problems. What the hell else would you like the President to do @libertybele --- send armed federal agents to polling places, too?
Gee, how wonderful of you ... but I was expressing more than an opinion. I was telling you the strategy the administration is following to win, not lose, in November. If you don't like their strategy come up with a better one.
So ... the strategy is to keep promising that he's going to end the rioting which he has been promising for months without result -- now he's promising to end the violence after he's elected. Got it.
You are also telling me that his lack of action is for political purposes so that he will win he November. Also noted.
He should have calmed the riots when he first stated that he would --- that 'strategy' wasn't used obviously.
So ... we'll see what happens.
Send in the troops at the polling places ---- seriously @Right_in_Virginia I never said anything to that effect nor implied. The RNC should have already developed 'a strategy' to contain the fraud and corruption that is expected and to ensure that the polling places aren't filled with those trying to sway votes and prohibit voting. Even during "W"'s 2nd term, strategies and systems were in place during election time for just that. Unfortunately, we're relying on Romney's niece here.
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Title:
"Donald Trump says he will put down 'INSURRECTION' if he is declared winner"
VERY refreshing to hear him speak so plainly.
Particularly the use of the term "insurrection".
Name me ONE OTHER REPUBLICAN who might have been holding that office today who would have said as much.
Just one.
(I'm waiting...)
@Fishrrman
I can't even think of one that wouldn't have gotten "the vapors" and fainted dead away at being asked the question.
Trump is,not so subtly,sending a message to the Dims that if they try to steal the election,there will be VERY real consequences.
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@bilo
And I don't see Republicans accepting it if the Dims steal the election.
So,either way,revolution is in the air.
You know something, I hope you're right. I don't want to shrug my shoulders and say "oh, well". If the Rats steal the election it's time to find a way to go our separate ways. If they want the left coast and Northeast fine. The people caught in the wrong country can move. I know I would without a moments hesitation.
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You know something, I hope you're right. I don't want to shrug my shoulders and say "oh, well". If the Rats steal the election it's time to find a way to go our separate ways. If they want the left coast and Northeast fine. The people caught in the wrong country can move. I know I would without a moments hesitation.
Already did.
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You know something, I hope you're right. I don't want to shrug my shoulders and say "oh, well". If the Rats steal the election it's time to find a way to go our separate ways. If they want the left coast and Northeast fine. The people caught in the wrong country can move. I know I would without a moments hesitation.
Only problem that I forsee -- is everybody and their brother will be trying to move out of their liberal hell holes and their property and homes aren't going to be worth squat. Unless you have considerable assets and don't have to worry about taking a loss on your home, you're pretty much going to be stuck where you're at.
I've been kicking myself for the past year that we didn't move out of state into a remote area when we had the opportunity to. That ship has sailed. We're stuck where we're at. I am very very thankful though that we sold when we did and downsized. Neither of us has the health to make another move.
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A little late, but..... :2popcorn:
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So ... the strategy is to keep promising that he's going to end the rioting which he has been promising for months without result -- now he's promising to end the violence after he's elected. Got it.
@libertybele
I guess POTUS should apologize to you for not shooting Americans fast enough for your tastes. But, if asked, my advice would be don't hold your breath. :laugh:
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@libertybele
I guess POTUS should apologize to you for not shooting Americans fast enough for your tastes. But, if asked, my advice would be don't hold your breath. :laugh:
You are way, way off base and You ARE way out of line and YOU need to apologize!!! I have never ever advocated violence nor shooting of anyone -- that's coming from your mind and out of your mouth. Shame on you!!!
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You know something, I hope you're right. I don't want to shrug my shoulders and say "oh, well". If the Rats steal the election it's time to find a way to go our separate ways. If they want the left coast and Northeast fine. The people caught in the wrong country can move. I know I would without a moments hesitation.
@bilo
I hope I am right too,for the same reasons,and hate myself for it.
I would rather lose a leg or an arm than start getting into gun battles with my fellow Americans,but I honestly see our only alternative as meekly becoming slaves,and that is even less acceptable.
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You are way, way off base and You ARE way out of line and YOU need to apologize!!! I have never ever advocated violence nor shooting of anyone -- that's coming from your mind and out of your mouth. Shame on you!!!
I am not off base @libertybele You are the one who has been demanding the President send the Federal army to put down the rioters --- calling him a liar if he doesn't in spite of the number of times I and others have explained to you the dangers of and problems with doing so. You have been beating the drum for armed militias in American cities, willfully ignoring the precedents and reasons against such action.
And now you want me to apologize for your opinion. You're being absurd.
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I am not off base @libertybele You are the one who has been demanding the President send the Federal army to put down the rioters --- calling him a liar if he doesn't in spite of the number of times I and others have explained to you the dangers of and problems with doing so. You have been beating the drum for armed militias in American cities, willfully ignoring the precedents and reasons against such action.
And now you want me to apologize for your opinion. You're being absurd.
Absurd -- here you go again -- not ONCE did I call for armed militias -- those are your words.
What I am asking, suggesting and advocating is Trump keeping his promise that he keeps making on this issue.
Yes, I know -- now he says after his re-elected --- before the statement never included mention that he would act after re-election. Nothing more than political posturing.
The President needs to quit making promises that he can't keep or has no intention of keeping.
Done here. Next.
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Done here.
Thank you, Jesus.
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The shooting has already started in some cities...it's just a matter of time before the shooting is at our front doors. Peaceful election? The rioting started after Hillary declared that she won the majority vote and that Trump stole the election from her -- the left has continued to claim that he is not a legitimate president.
I believe what we've seen in the past several month is mild in comparison to what we are going to experience -- perhaps civil war and complete anarchy. All by design and help from the DEMS and various Soros funded groups.
After some thought, as with any group of bullies, the elimination of the mouthiest guys would dampen the fervor that is ginned up doing all that chanting. Matt Bracken's piece on the organization evident would help any selective individual or group of individuals working in concert to mute the ability of hostile forces to operate. Look at your area in terms of choke points, critical road junctions or paths of travel and always with an eye for terrain or cultural features which could command those locations and control who goes through. figure out how to capture and hold those positions, with avenues for resupply and/or escape.
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Absurd -- here you go again -- not ONCE did I call for armed militias -- those are your words.
@libertybele
What do you think the National Guard is?
Is it possible you think the leftists won't take pot shots at the NG,or that the NG won't end up firing back?
Here is a reality for you to consider. If Trump is re-elected,these riots will probably dry up and go away because the SOLE purpose of them is to disrupt the election so Trump loses.
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He also has no interest in being a conservative. There are legacies to be made. What that looks like to him might not be what you think it is.
Walls that keep people out are often used to keep people in.
@roamer_1
Jesus H. Christ! Don't you ever pull that damned plug out of your ass? Because, you're FOS.
This thread isn't about out-of-control spending. It's not about his pedigree as a fiscal Conservative.
It's about a POTUS who has been wrongfully attacked, no-stop for FIVE f**king YEARS and who is chomping at the bit to fight back....NOT for himself, not for revenge, but for the rest of us and for future generations.
@mystery-ak
....and please don't you release the MOD hounds because I had the temerity to kick Mr. Mountain Man in the ass. He deserves it for being such a dick with his incessant Contrarian Act.
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@sneakypete
Who the heck is non-participant? You can bet I will participate. As long as there are conservatives
to vote for, they can certainly count on my support.
@roamer_1
God once said...paraphrased..."Find me TEN good men and I will not destroy your city"
Okay, Mr. Purity... Mr. 'Not my circus not my monkey" give me the names of the Conservatives running in November
who you will vote for and are YOUR brand of Conservative?
SOOO tired of your schtick. **nononono*
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Your frustration is understandable @libertybele But the reality is the other side and media would turn any actions the President takes with Federal troops in a victory for OBiden and AOC. Notice the President said "after I am declared the winner".
Thank heavens the President understands what's going on right now. happy77
Amen, @Right_in_Virginia !
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You are way, way off base and You ARE way out of line and YOU need to apologize!!! I have never ever advocated violence nor shooting of anyone -- that's coming from your mind and out of your mouth. Shame on you!!!
Bullsh*t! But on your Big Girl pants.
How would you put down the insurrection? By arresting them and then have the activist prosecutors and judges drop all charges in the name of Freedom of Speech?
In 1906, they summarily executed looters in San Francisco amid the rubble. This is WAR!
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Amen, @Right_in_Virginia !
888high58888 @DCPatriot
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@roamer_1
Jesus H. Christ! Don't you ever pull that damned plug out of your ass? Because, you're FOS.
This thread isn't about out-of-control spending. It's not about his pedigree as a fiscal Conservative.
It's about a POTUS who has been wrongfully attacked, no-stop for FIVE f**king YEARS and who is chomping at the bit to fight back....NOT for himself, not for revenge, but for the rest of us and for future generations.
@mystery-ak
....and please don't you release the MOD hounds because I had the temerity to kick Mr. Mountain Man in the ass. He deserves it for being such a dick with his incessant Contrarian Act.
That’s the bottom line. Demanding we rearrange the deck chairs right before a pivotal election and ignore the iceberg ahead is a strategy doomed. These folks need to employ some judgment and perspective and resolve to live to fight another day.
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Bullsh*t! But on your Big Girl pants.
How would you put down the insurrection? By arresting them and then have the activist prosecutors and judges drop all charges in the name of Freedom of Speech?
In 1906, they summarily executed looters in San Francisco amid the rubble. This is WAR!
Curfew violators, looters, have been subject to being shot since the riots of the 60s, as well. National Guardsmen with fixed bayonets were deployed in DC. If anyone thinks they didn't have ammo, too, they are misinformed.
A threat of force must not be made unless it can and will be carried out in extremis. Otherwise, the threat is meaningless.
I think the thing to watch for is civilians or groups of civilians who might step up and take down rioters.
The reason this hasn't happened? First, the civilian militia or individuals would be caught, in the present political (MSM) atmosphere, inn a crossfire, between 'protestors' and the police, who would suddenly be reinstated and re-funded with a raise to protect the communist street gangs who were looting and burning peacefully protesting, and that is how the media would play it until you had a hard time believing your own lying eyes.
Second, stepping across the line to use somewhat indiscriminate lethal force on the Communists ground troops does not address the problems of those funding, organizing on an international/national/regional level, along with their comrades in elected offices and appointed government positions who have been running interference for, covering for, releasing without charges, and otherwise aiding and abetting this Communist insurgency.
After all these years, those Che T-shirts mean something to them. Short of hauling those ringleaders and financiers in front of a judge or a pock marked wall, rounding up their foot soldiers is meaningless. The foot soldiers are expendable, dime a dozen, useful idiots and paid hooligans who likely do not even have a firm grasp of the issues, with the exception of the indoctrination they get as part of whatever training they receive. Their motivation is likely less ideological than an opportunity to vent incited anger, to make monetary gains as either paid protesters, looters, or both, or an unbridled release of anger at just about everything. Considerable criminal opportunities would present themselves during such unrest, so the chance to commit their particular crime abounds with little likelyhood of prosecution or retribution.
So, the elimination of an entire looting crowd in a containment by either capture or more extreme measures would have only the effect of letting the movement know that people were willing to take that step.
Of course, the cheesecake images of soccer moms would be trotted out in the press excoriation of those who did the dastardly deed of stopping those bent on looting and destruction and even murder, and the media sh*tstorm over resistance to the Communists would be intense. This why any meaningful effort to resist the mobs would have to be coordinated and widespread, even regional if not national, and have to happen in a short time span (24-48 hours) to prevent a media blitz intended to bring sympathy for those removed from the mobs.
There is precedent (night of the long knives), and in that instance the removal was effective, although that was an internal purge, and not a counter-revolutionary operation.
If that went badly, or was ineffective, the media would insist on (police) rounding up those who organized it for criminal prosecution, or the Communists would simply send out death squads if they knew who was behind it. So the average person is generally hoping the whole rebellion flames out before it gets to their neighborhood, anyway, and is likely not thinking in terms of a protracted conflict with people who may be idiots, but are violent idiots and determined to continue.
How many times have we heard the comment from 'protesters' "This is war"?
To some of them, at least, it is.
To the rest of us, it is something happening somewhere else, performed by jerks and crooks and the ignorant spew of institutions of 'higher education', and not seen as the organized, coordinated, well funded, and likely well armed (behind the scenes, in general) Communist insurrection it is.
As with any threat to one's safety and well being, I see this as a serious threat to the Republic and to Americans, and failure to do so will only guarantee that it continues, and gains momentum.
WHile I am not advocating for violent action (especially because of the way the media would exploit any such incident for political reasons) it would be folly to not take the time to seriously consider how you would defend your homes, neighborhoods, towns, against invasion by such groups, with an eye to terrain, escape routes, access and limiting that access, and otherwise considering how you (and others you may know and trust) could keep your family safe, by whatever means that might prove necessary.
Having that knowledge is by no means a requirement to use it, but failure to consider options when they may be done as a mental exercise, rather than wait until they become a matter of survival would be remiss.
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@roamer_1
Jesus H. Christ! Don't you ever pull that damned plug out of your ass? Because, you're FOS.
This thread isn't about out-of-control spending. It's not about his pedigree as a fiscal Conservative.
It's about a POTUS who has been wrongfully attacked, no-stop for FIVE f**king YEARS and who is chomping at the bit to fight back....NOT for himself, not for revenge, but for the rest of us and for future generations.
@mystery-ak
....and please don't you release the MOD hounds because I had the temerity to kick Mr. Mountain Man in the ass. He deserves it for being such a dick with his incessant Contrarian Act.
It is not an act @DCPatriot . I am directly contrarian toward your movement. Next time don't claim conservatism and I won't give a single sh*t what you do or what you say.... But since y'all DO claim it to be Conservatism, that puts the whole business right in my wheelhouse. And in that, I will not shut up.
Secondly, on the subject of 'wrongfully attacked', *shrugs*... The pot calls the kettle black. Tumpy plays that very same game. So a pox on both houses, I'd have to reckon. You are mistaken if you think his martyr routine is worthy of defense, since his own wrongful attacks and scurrilous lies started on day 1... He don't get to cry martyr, and any sh*t he gets is well deserved.
So like with any b*tch-slapping cat fight, I am under no obligation to defend either 'maiden'. honor is only bound by honor. All I have left is to walk on by, or to point and laugh, and I choose the latter.
And you haven't 'kicked my ass' a single time DC... Since you climbed on the Tump Twain you haven't had a coherent argument. Because there isn't one.
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Curfew violators, looters, have been subject to being shot since the riots of the 60s, as well. National Guardsmen with fixed bayonets were deployed in DC. If anyone thinks they didn't have ammo, too, they are misinformed.
A threat of force must not be made unless it can and will be carried out in extremis. Otherwise, the threat is meaningless.
I think the thing to watch for is civilians or groups of civilians who might step up and take down rioters.
The reason this hasn't happened? First, the civilian militia or individuals would be caught, in the present political (MSM) atmosphere, inn a crossfire, between 'protestors' and the police, who would suddenly be reinstated and re-funded with a raise to protect the communist street gangs who were looting and burning peacefully protesting, and that is how the media would play it until you had a hard time believing your own lying eyes.
Second, stepping across the line to use somewhat indiscriminate lethal force on the Communists ground troops does not address the problems of those funding, organizing on an international/national/regional level, along with their comrades in elected offices and appointed government positions who have been running interference for, covering for, releasing without charges, and otherwise aiding and abetting this Communist insurgency.
After all these years, those Che T-shirts mean something to them. Short of hauling those ringleaders and financiers in front of a judge or a pock marked wall, rounding up their foot soldiers is meaningless. The foot soldiers are expendable, dime a dozen, useful idiots and paid hooligans who likely do not even have a firm grasp of the issues, with the exception of the indoctrination they get as part of whatever training they receive. Their motivation is likely less ideological than an opportunity to vent incited anger, to make monetary gains as either paid protesters, looters, or both, or an unbridled release of anger at just about everything. Considerable criminal opportunities would present themselves during such unrest, so the chance to commit their particular crime abounds with little likelyhood of prosecution or retribution.
So, the elimination of an entire looting crowd in a containment by either capture or more extreme measures would have only the effect of letting the movement know that people were willing to take that step.
Of course, the cheesecake images of soccer moms would be trotted out in the press excoriation of those who did the dastardly deed of stopping those bent on looting and destruction and even murder, and the media sh*tstorm over resistance to the Communists would be intense. This why any meaningful effort to resist the mobs would have to be coordinated and widespread, even regional if not national, and have to happen in a short time span (24-48 hours) to prevent a media blitz intended to bring sympathy for those removed from the mobs.
There is precedent (night of the long knives), and in that instance the removal was effective, although that was an internal purge, and not a counter-revolutionary operation.
If that went badly, or was ineffective, the media would insist on (police) rounding up those who organized it for criminal prosecution, or the Communists would simply send out death squads if they knew who was behind it. So the average person is generally hoping the whole rebellion flames out before it gets to their neighborhood, anyway, and is likely not thinking in terms of a protracted conflict with people who may be idiots, but are violent idiots and determined to continue.
How many times have we heard the comment from 'protesters' "This is war"?
To some of them, at least, it is.
To the rest of us, it is something happening somewhere else, performed by jerks and crooks and the ignorant spew of institutions of 'higher education', and not seen as the organized, coordinated, well funded, and likely well armed (behind the scenes, in general) Communist insurrection it is.
As with any threat to one's safety and well being, I see this as a serious threat to the Republic and to Americans, and failure to do so will only guarantee that it continues, and gains momentum.
WHile I am not advocating for violent action (especially because of the way the media would exploit any such incident for political reasons) it would be folly to not take the time to seriously consider how you would defend your homes, neighborhoods, towns, against invasion by such groups, with an eye to terrain, escape routes, access and limiting that access, and otherwise considering how you (and others you may know and trust) could keep your family safe, by whatever means that might prove necessary.
Having that knowledge is by no means a requirement to use it, but failure to consider options when they may be done as a mental exercise, rather than wait until they become a matter of survival would be remiss.
@Smokin Joe
Well said!
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@roamer_1
Jesus H. Christ! Don't you ever pull that damned plug out of your ass? Because, you're FOS.
This thread isn't about out-of-control spending. It's not about his pedigree as a fiscal Conservative.
It's about a POTUS who has been wrongfully attacked, no-stop for FIVE f**king YEARS and who is chomping at the bit to fight back....NOT for himself, not for revenge, but for the rest of us and for future generations.
@mystery-ak
....and please don't you release the MOD hounds because I had the temerity to kick Mr. Mountain Man in the ass. He deserves it for being such a dick with his incessant Contrarian Act.
Last time I checked this thread was about Trump's promise once again to put down the insurrection -- only this time it's supposedly going to happen after he's re-elected.
Spare us the b.s. Trump has time and time again made the same promise. The riots and protests have grown. The mentality now is White Lives don't matter and WHITE people are getting their heads cracked open for being white. These attacks are planned in advance and organized. The MOBS are ruling because there is no one stopping them and they now know Trump isn't going to do anything.
Should he get re-elected are you really that naive to believe that he's going to do anything differently than he's doing now on this issue? He will have absolutely no incentive as he has no base and no one to answer to. Should the GOP lose their Senate majority -- good luck on him getting anything done -- I see him veering to the left - Trump style. Don't be surprised.
Sure Trump displays patriotism and hosts excellent rallies -- he also makes promises that he doesn't keep or he back pedals on -- that's been since the get go.
I will always vote for the candidate that I feel will take this country in a better direction --- Trump isn't exactly leading us to a more peaceful existence. I've been told he's allowing the riots to continue so he'll win re-election -- that logic is absurd. Him using this for political posturing is shameful!
Biden/Harris will lead us into socialism/marxism.
Heck of a choice!
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That’s the bottom line. Demanding we rearrange the deck chairs right before a pivotal election and ignore the iceberg ahead is a strategy doomed. These folks need to employ some judgment and perspective and resolve to live to fight another day.
I don't care what you do. I have made no demand upon you other than to preach and defend actual Conservatism. What you do with your own vote is your business, as is mine.
As to judgement and perspective, there is no argument, none at all, that logically ends with me endorsing that which I oppose. That is not 'living to fight another day'. that is directly endorsing the opposite of what I support, which is entirely incoherent.
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Joe wrote:
"Of course, the cheesecake images of soccer moms would be trotted out in the press excoriation of those who did the dastardly deed of stopping those bent on looting and destruction and even murder, and the media sh*tstorm over resistance to the Communists would be intense."
Perhaps the media ought to be (cough) "dealt with", as well...
"How many times have we heard the comment from 'protesters' "This is war"?
To some of them, at least, it is.
To the rest of us, it is something happening somewhere else, performed by jerks and crooks and the ignorant spew of institutions of 'higher education', and not seen as the organized, coordinated, well funded, and likely well armed (behind the scenes, in general) Communist insurrection it is."
I read something a few days ago over at TOS. Wish I had thought of it, but have to be honest that I'm just paraphrasing and expanding here what someone else wisely observed. That is:
In this burgeoning conflict between communism vs. the Republic, it is the left that is always "on the offensive". Everywhere they spring up with their attacks, they are on the offense. They are defining the struggle and the rules of engagement.
We, on the other hand, have played only "defense". Again and again. All we seem to be able to do is respond (in some cases, very weakly) to their offensives. The left is sensing this weakness and building upon it.
The TOS poster suggested that if our side persists in this strategy of only "on defense", then...
We will LOSE.
I agree.
What must we do to "change the action/narrative" to put our side on offense sufficiently enough to defeat them. And by "defeat", I mean CRUSH them out of existence so they cannot become a threat to us again for a long, long time?
Your thoughts...?
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Only problem that I forsee -- is everybody and their brother will be trying to move out of their liberal hell holes and their property and homes aren't going to be worth squat. Unless you have considerable assets and don't have to worry about taking a loss on your home, you're pretty much going to be stuck where you're at.
I've been kicking myself for the past year that we didn't move out of state into a remote area when we had the opportunity to. That ship has sailed. We're stuck where we're at. I am very very thankful though that we sold when we did and downsized. Neither of us has the health to make another move.
You're point is well taken.
If we as a country end up going our separate ways it is going to create a lot of hardship. I don't see an alternative though. The left is so nuts they hate their own country and hate the things that made us the most prosperous nation on Earth. I don't want to live under the tyranny of the left. The left can't stomach me living in freedom and doing well. I see no reconciliation between these two positions.
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@bilo
I hope I am right too,for the same reasons,and hate myself for it.
I would rather lose a leg or an arm than start getting into gun battles with my fellow Americans,but I honestly see our only alternative as meekly becoming slaves,and that is even less acceptable.
:amen:
I rather die first.
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You're point is well taken.
If we as a country end up going our separate ways it is going to create a lot of hardship. I don't see an alternative though. The left is so nuts they hate their own country and hate the things that made us the most prosperous nation on Earth. I don't want to live under the tyranny of the left. The left can't stomach me living in freedom and doing well. I see no reconciliation between these two positions.
It is really unfortunate that the leftists took advantage of Floyd's death. It was an absolute tragedy and it is an even further tragedy that the left, Obama and others have promoted the violence we now see under the guise of racial equality. The protests aren't even about racial equality anymore but rather than an all out war against another race; purposefully designed to take down this Republic and to ensure that the current administration doesn't remain in power.
IMHO, and I have thought this for some time; a peaceful existence in this country will only occur when both the White and Black populace realizes that the racial inequality has been created by the leftists to control and manipulate to fulfill their agenda.
Only when Black and White come together and rise up against the oppressors, liars, and manipulators within our government and outside of our government will we see peace.
Barack Obama, Saul Alinsky, Bill Ayers, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, The 'Squad', Lyndon Johnson and many others have created racial political unrest to achieve their objective of a One Word Order -- racism and civil unrest continues to be the avenue that they are using -- divide and conquer.
Romans 12:16-21
Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are. Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceable with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, say the Lord. No, if your enemies are hungry, feed them, if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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@libertybele The only coming together of White and Black the people see on the Media, are the Antifa/BLM rioters. There is a news blackout about the minorities who are liking Trump.
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Put on that face diaper and watch your cities burn, so I can get reelected.
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@libertybele The only coming together of White and Black the people see on the Media, are the Antifa/BLM rioters. There is a news blackout about the minorities who are liking Trump.
I'm not just talking about the increase in black Trump supporters -- I talking about the two races coming together to eliminate those causing the oppression, lies and manipulation of the races by those inside and outside our government -- we've got a long way to go and I'm not so sure that we'll ever get there.
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Put on that face diaper and watch your cities burn, so I can get reelected.
:amen:
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I'm not just talking about the increase in black Trump supporters -- I talking about the two races coming together to eliminate those causing the oppression, lies and manipulation of the races by those inside and outside our government -- we've got a long way to go and I'm not so sure that we'll ever get there.
It's never going to happen as long as people are willing to listen to the race hustlers like O'Bastard, Jackson and Sharpton. Those folks have done more than David Duke to keep the fire burning.
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Curfew violators, looters, have been subject to being shot since the riots of the 60s, as well. National Guardsmen with fixed bayonets were deployed in DC. If anyone thinks they didn't have ammo, too, they are misinformed.
A threat of force must not be made unless it can and will be carried out in extremis. Otherwise, the threat is meaningless.
I think the thing to watch for is civilians or groups of civilians who might step up and take down rioters.
The reason this hasn't happened? First, the civilian militia or individuals would be caught, in the present political (MSM) atmosphere, inn a crossfire, between 'protestors' and the police, who would suddenly be reinstated and re-funded with a raise to protect the communist street gangs who were looting and burning peacefully protesting, and that is how the media would play it until you had a hard time believing your own lying eyes.
Second, stepping across the line to use somewhat indiscriminate lethal force on the Communists ground troops does not address the problems of those funding, organizing on an international/national/regional level, along with their comrades in elected offices and appointed government positions who have been running interference for, covering for, releasing without charges, and otherwise aiding and abetting this Communist insurgency.
After all these years, those Che T-shirts mean something to them. Short of hauling those ringleaders and financiers in front of a judge or a pock marked wall, rounding up their foot soldiers is meaningless. The foot soldiers are expendable, dime a dozen, useful idiots and paid hooligans who likely do not even have a firm grasp of the issues, with the exception of the indoctrination they get as part of whatever training they receive. Their motivation is likely less ideological than an opportunity to vent incited anger, to make monetary gains as either paid protesters, looters, or both, or an unbridled release of anger at just about everything. Considerable criminal opportunities would present themselves during such unrest, so the chance to commit their particular crime abounds with little likelyhood of prosecution or retribution.
So, the elimination of an entire looting crowd in a containment by either capture or more extreme measures would have only the effect of letting the movement know that people were willing to take that step.
Of course, the cheesecake images of soccer moms would be trotted out in the press excoriation of those who did the dastardly deed of stopping those bent on looting and destruction and even murder, and the media sh*tstorm over resistance to the Communists would be intense. This why any meaningful effort to resist the mobs would have to be coordinated and widespread, even regional if not national, and have to happen in a short time span (24-48 hours) to prevent a media blitz intended to bring sympathy for those removed from the mobs.
There is precedent (night of the long knives), and in that instance the removal was effective, although that was an internal purge, and not a counter-revolutionary operation.
If that went badly, or was ineffective, the media would insist on (police) rounding up those who organized it for criminal prosecution, or the Communists would simply send out death squads if they knew who was behind it. So the average person is generally hoping the whole rebellion flames out before it gets to their neighborhood, anyway, and is likely not thinking in terms of a protracted conflict with people who may be idiots, but are violent idiots and determined to continue.
How many times have we heard the comment from 'protesters' "This is war"?
To some of them, at least, it is.
To the rest of us, it is something happening somewhere else, performed by jerks and crooks and the ignorant spew of institutions of 'higher education', and not seen as the organized, coordinated, well funded, and likely well armed (behind the scenes, in general) Communist insurrection it is.
As with any threat to one's safety and well being, I see this as a serious threat to the Republic and to Americans, and failure to do so will only guarantee that it continues, and gains momentum.
WHile I am not advocating for violent action (especially because of the way the media would exploit any such incident for political reasons) it would be folly to not take the time to seriously consider how you would defend your homes, neighborhoods, towns, against invasion by such groups, with an eye to terrain, escape routes, access and limiting that access, and otherwise considering how you (and others you may know and trust) could keep your family safe, by whatever means that might prove necessary.
Having that knowledge is by no means a requirement to use it, but failure to consider options when they may be done as a mental exercise, rather than wait until they become a matter of survival would be remiss.
@Smokin Joe
Bravo! Thanks for the detailed reply.
I don't touch alcohol, but I would love to share a beer and a couple of bowls with you one day! :beer:
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It's never going to happen as long as people are willing to listen to the race hustlers like O'Bastard, Jackson and Sharpton. Those folks have done more than David Duke to keep the fire burning.
Absolutely agree. :beer:
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libertybele wrote above, but had two paragraphs in the wrong order:
The second (which should have been first):
"Only when Black and White come together and rise up against the oppressors, liars, and manipulators within our government and outside of our government will we see peace."
This will never happen.
It will not happen in the United States, and it won't happen anywhere else.
For the reason WHY it cannot happen, see below.
The first (which should have been second):
"IMHO, and I have thought this for some time; a peaceful existence in this country will only occur when both the White and Black populace realizes that the racial inequality has been created by the leftists to control and manipulate to fulfill their agenda."
This is a totally erroneous assumption.
The reason why there can never and will never be "a peaceful coexistence" between blacks and whites (or Asians) anywhere is because blacks (as a racial group) will never achieve economic nor intellectual parity with the whites/Asians (again, as a racial group). Nowhere in the world has this yet or ever happened.
Blacks will ALWAYS resent whites (and Asians) for this reason. And with the resentment will come anger and rebellion.
It's this natural and incorrigible resentment that blacks have for whites that is used by "leftists to control and manipulate [blacks] to fulfill their agenda." (in your words above).
Nothing can change this, for it lies at the genetic core of our being:
The "Bell Curve".
When we can reconfigure THAT, perhaps "racial parity" may someday be possible.
But's it's NOT possible NOW, nor can it be for lifetimes to come.
Kipling realized such differences decades ago, in a different context:
"East is east, and west is west, and never the twain shall meet".
Transpose that to today:
"Black is black, and white is white, and never the twain shall meet".
After SEVEN DECADES of "civil rights" struggles, and 70 years of whites bending over backwards to accommodate the demands of blacks, isn't it yet apparent that NOTHING we can do to ameliorate their resentment against us will work?
What more could possibly be done?
Why do we even bother any more?
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Joe wrote:
"Of course, the cheesecake images of soccer moms would be trotted out in the press excoriation of those who did the dastardly deed of stopping those bent on looting and destruction and even murder, and the media sh*tstorm over resistance to the Communists would be intense."
Perhaps the media ought to be (cough) "dealt with", as well...
"How many times have we heard the comment from 'protesters' "This is war"?
To some of them, at least, it is.
To the rest of us, it is something happening somewhere else, performed by jerks and crooks and the ignorant spew of institutions of 'higher education', and not seen as the organized, coordinated, well funded, and likely well armed (behind the scenes, in general) Communist insurrection it is."
I read something a few days ago over at TOS. Wish I had thought of it, but have to be honest that I'm just paraphrasing and expanding here what someone else wisely observed. That is:
In this burgeoning conflict between communism vs. the Republic, it is the left that is always "on the offensive". Everywhere they spring up with their attacks, they are on the offense. They are defining the struggle and the rules of engagement.
We, on the other hand, have played only "defense". Again and again. All we seem to be able to do is respond (in some cases, very weakly) to their offensives. The left is sensing this weakness and building upon it.
The TOS poster suggested that if our side persists in this strategy of only "on defense", then...
We will LOSE.
I agree.
What must we do to "change the action/narrative" to put our side on offense sufficiently enough to defeat them. And by "defeat", I mean CRUSH them out of existence so they cannot become a threat to us again for a long, long time?
Your thoughts...?
As a practical matter, in the elimination of any noxious scrub growth, you can eliminate it at the leaves, the branches, or the root.
The root: Institutions of Higher Education, and lower, right on down to Kindergartens which are pushing Communist indoctrination. Yep, that includes whole departments at most universities, tenured faculty and staff. Those writing that curriculum which only views the history of this country from a Marxist viewpoint and for the purposes of planting the seeds of eventual insurrection, as much a part of the Marxist Doctrine as jihad is part of Islam, should be blacklisted and their writings only preserved for historical reasons, not subject to wide dissemination.
It does not have to be censored like doctors using hydroxychloroquine, but should be suppressed for the seditious material it is. The reason it is seditious and the way this government is supposed to work should be reinstated in the school curricula, once known as "Civics". Expose the Marxist philosophy for the lie it is.
Bring back the Blacklist for those who have been pimping this material.
The stem: The stem in any noxious weed performs the task of support, not just physically, but in passing nutrients throughout the weed. Identify those supporting these terrorist organizations, large and small. freeze bank accounts. Seize funds, and use them to fight the enemy--because Communism is, and has been the enemy of this Republic since it was squiggled into the public psyche as "scientific socialism". The ability to monitor, trace, and intercept electronic transactions exists for all but cash. Cash is physically vulnerable to interception and /or destruction. The NSA has the info. Use it. Strip assets and incarcerate the bigger offenders. Many of these organizations have Orwellian names and pay lip service to causes in ways that do not make their real purpose readily apparent. Notify small donors of the true nature of the organization and warn them against making further contributions. If they persist, drop the hammer on them.
The leaves: some are bigger than others, and the Right to believe what you will is fundamental and should be preserved. That does not mean those whose eventual goal is the destruction of the United States should not be subject to investigation, and where they have indicated that goal through words or actions, held to account legally for their actions and stated intent if such forms a conspiracy.
Just quick thoughts, I am on my way to work. But we have the tools if those in our government will use them.
Otherwise, it's down to cells, intel, and targeted wet work.
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@Smokin Joe
Bravo! Thanks for the detailed reply.
I don't touch alcohol, but I would love to share a beer and a couple of bowls with you one day! :beer:
Thanks, but I don't do weed or alcohol. Conversation would be decent, and interesting, I am sure.
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lThis is a totally erroneous assumption.
The reason why there can never and will never be "a peaceful coexistence" between blacks and whites (or Asians) anywhere is because blacks (as a racial group) will never achieve economic nor intellectual parity with the whites/Asians (again, as a racial group). Nowhere in the world has this yet or ever happened.
Blacks will ALWAYS resent whites (and Asians) for this reason. And with the resentment will come anger and rebellion.
It's this natural and incorrigible resentment that blacks have for whites that is used by "leftists to control and manipulate [blacks] to fulfill their agenda." (in your words above).
Literally untrue. My BIL is black as the ace of spades. Hails from Costa Rica and is of Jamaican descent. He is wholly void of American black resentments. Not there. Absent in its entirety.
And beyond my rather racist beginnings in Chicago, My main interface to blacks has been largely in and around Kansas City, and with rural blacks in the lower midwest and in the south. These too largely have no chip on their shoulder, and while somewhat guarded toward me at first (my accent is different than they would be used to), as a race they have acquitted themselves perfectly. Sure there were a**holes, but there are a**holes everywhere.
As the rule, folks are folks, and while distinct and different to me (which is alright), my experience with country black folk and blue collar blacks has found them to be an open and gracious people, every bit as I would expect from any Christian and country folk.
As to your comments @Fishrrman , I find them injurious to the black race, because they are laid upon the whole of the black race, and not upon inner city American blacks, where that commentary is valid... But even there, your comments are not entirely valid. While limited, I admit, I do know folks straight from the Chicago hood that have been raised to eschew racism and would be offended at liberal terminology like 'white privilege', and would reject it outright.
My experience is certainly more limited, but I would suggest that racism largely exists in liberal cities. I would not go so far as to underline that and mark it bold, because my experience in this is limited. But that experience has included both, city and country, across a fair swath of this country. Enough to form a reasoned opinion.
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Literally untrue. My BIL is black as the ace of spades. Hails from Costa Rica and is of Jamaican descent. He is wholly void of American black resentments. Not there. Absent in its entirety.
And beyond my rather racist beginnings in Chicago, My main interface to blacks has been largely in and around Kansas City, and with rural blacks in the lower midwest and in the south. These too largely have no chip on their shoulder, and while somewhat guarded toward me at first (my accent is different than they would be used to), as a race they have acquitted themselves perfectly. Sure there were a**holes, but there are a**holes everywhere.
As the rule, folks are folks, and while distinct and different to me (which is alright), my experience with country black folk and blue collar blacks has found them to be an open and gracious people, every bit as I would expect from any Christian and country folk.
As to your comments @Fishrrman , I find them injurious to the black race, because they are laid upon the whole of the black race, and not upon inner city American blacks, where that commentary is valid... But even there, your comments are not entirely valid. While limited, I admit, I do know folks straight from the Chicago hood that have been raised to eschew racism and would be offended at liberal terminology like 'white privilege', and would reject it outright.
My experience is certainly more limited, but I would suggest that racism largely exists in liberal cities. I would not go so far as to underline that and mark it bold, because my experience in this is limited. But that experience has included both, city and country, across a fair swath of this country. Enough to form a reasoned opinion.
When people are raised being told they are victims they often go and play the part they were assigned. The simple fact that a black person can immigrate here and succeed and be thankful for the opportunities exposes the lie for what it is.
The leftest cultivate their victims to empower themselves at great cost to others. Very evil people that cause great suffering.
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The leftest cultivate their victims to empower themselves at great cost to others. Very evil people that cause great suffering.
Which makes it a shame the Rats are likely to maintain power. Because the GOP aren't pure enough.
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When people are raised being told they are victims they often go and play the part they were assigned. The simple fact that a black person can immigrate here and succeed and be thankful for the opportunities exposes the lie for what it is.
The leftest cultivate their victims to empower themselves at great cost to others. Very evil people that cause great suffering.
That is the truth as I see it. This whole business seems fomented in inner cities and college campuses, and that fomenting is what won't let it rest.
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Which makes it a shame the Rats are likely to maintain power. Because the GOP aren't pure enough.
GOP and purity?
Most of the GOP swamp is corrupt as hell. Just protecting our borders is too much to ask for most of them. Their loyalties are elsewhere.
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Which makes it a shame the Rats are likely to maintain power. Because the GOP aren't pure enough.
Believe it or not, that's exactly right.
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libertybele wrote above, but had two paragraphs in the wrong order:
The second (which should have been first):
"Only when Black and White come together and rise up against the oppressors, liars, and manipulators within our government and outside of our government will we see peace."
This will never happen.
It will not happen in the United States, and it won't happen anywhere else.
For the reason WHY it cannot happen, see below.
The first (which should have been second):
"IMHO, and I have thought this for some time; a peaceful existence in this country will only occur when both the White and Black populace realizes that the racial inequality has been created by the leftists to control and manipulate to fulfill their agenda."
This is a totally erroneous assumption.
The reason why there can never and will never be "a peaceful coexistence" between blacks and whites (or Asians) anywhere is because blacks (as a racial group) will never achieve economic nor intellectual parity with the whites/Asians (again, as a racial group). Nowhere in the world has this yet or ever happened.
Blacks will ALWAYS resent whites (and Asians) for this reason. And with the resentment will come anger and rebellion.
It's this natural and incorrigible resentment that blacks have for whites that is used by "leftists to control and manipulate [blacks] to fulfill their agenda." (in your words above).
Nothing can change this, for it lies at the genetic core of our being:
The "Bell Curve".
When we can reconfigure THAT, perhaps "racial parity" may someday be possible.
But's it's NOT possible NOW, nor can it be for lifetimes to come.
Kipling realized such differences decades ago, in a different context:
"East is east, and west is west, and never the twain shall meet".
Transpose that to today:
"Black is black, and white is white, and never the twain shall meet".
After SEVEN DECADES of "civil rights" struggles, and 70 years of whites bending over backwards to accommodate the demands of blacks, isn't it yet apparent that NOTHING we can do to ameliorate their resentment against us will work?
What more could possibly be done?
Why do we even bother any more?
70 years of civil rights struggles -- there should have never been separate water fountains, bathrooms, going to the back of the bus, etc., etc. There has been White slavery as well -- something that has been easily overlooked.
LBJ's Great Society was one of the most detrimental pieces of legislature signed into law -- it sure as heck had nothing to do with equality and everything to do with keeping the Black race downtrodden and dependent to ensure their DEM vote.
The Black population needs to realize who is behind this -- the DEM party and people like Hillary who scream in a southern drawl White privilege. They need to be educated about the truth and right now the historical truth is being erased.
I'm using LBJ as an example, not as the sole cause.
Only when Black and White rise up against the oppression in our government will we see a peaceful nation -- certainly there will always be some that harbor resentment for various reasons on both sides.
I have lived in the Detroit area and the deep south. The mindset of the Black population is different in both areas (just going by experience). The Detroit area my experience has been that the Whites owe the Blacks for years of being oppressed, Black crime on Black crime is rampant -- that was years ago, long before the Muslim population took a foothold -- I haven't been back in over 25 years and have no plans to.
Living in the deep south, the mindset is slightly different. When I went back to school (within the past 10 years) we had a Black teacher who was extremely strict -- you made sure you showed up on time or she'd chew you a new one -- there was no excuse and she was much harder on the Blacks. My daughter had a Black teacher in elementary school -- she taught ALL the kids basic hygiene, manners (yes mam, yes, sir, no mam, no sir) in addition to coursework.
Black on Black crime still exists and Black on White crime still exists.
I would like to see Blacks and Whites living in harmony -- that harmony could save this Republic -- liberalism doesn't work, but that mindset has to seriously change. That will never happen as long as we have people like Hillary promoting "her America" with open borders and Black oppression - Soros, Rev. Jackson, Sharpton and those that encourage racism. Barack Hussein Obama did more to destroy any progress of race relations for the past 70 years.
@Fishrrman it is the leftists that have encouraged resentment between the two races to control and manipulate to fulfill their agenda. You are absolutely correct --- that can be changed with education and enlightenment -- something that I believe Trump has tried to accomplish by lowering Black unemployment a freeing Blacks who have been imprisoned for ridiculous amounts of time.
I'd rather see harmony take place than the continuous rioting by BLM/Antifa - and no I don't believe that ALL Blacks agree with their mindset.
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Literally untrue. My BIL is black as the ace of spades. Hails from Costa Rica and is of Jamaican descent. He is wholly void of American black resentments. Not there. Absent in its entirety.
And beyond my rather racist beginnings in Chicago, My main interface to blacks has been largely in and around Kansas City, and with rural blacks in the lower midwest and in the south. These too largely have no chip on their shoulder, and while somewhat guarded toward me at first (my accent is different than they would be used to), as a race they have acquitted themselves perfectly. Sure there were a**holes, but there are a**holes everywhere.
As the rule, folks are folks, and while distinct and different to me (which is alright), my experience with country black folk and blue collar blacks has found them to be an open and gracious people, every bit as I would expect from any Christian and country folk.
As to your comments @Fishrrman , I find them injurious to the black race, because they are laid upon the whole of the black race, and not upon inner city American blacks, where that commentary is valid... But even there, your comments are not entirely valid. While limited, I admit, I do know folks straight from the Chicago hood that have been raised to eschew racism and would be offended at liberal terminology like 'white privilege', and would reject it outright.
My experience is certainly more limited, but I would suggest that racism largely exists in liberal cities. I would not go so far as to underline that and mark it bold, because my experience in this is limited. But that experience has included both, city and country, across a fair swath of this country. Enough to form a reasoned opinion.
I would have to agree @roamer_1 Racism largely exists in large liberal cities; Detroit, LA, Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle, etc., etc.
That liberal mindset has been entrenched in them by their liberal leaders and liberal schools for decades. IF only they could see past all the lies and manipulation, what a different world we would live in.
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This is a totally erroneous assumption.
The reason why there can never and will never be "a peaceful coexistence" between blacks and whites (or Asians) anywhere is because blacks (as a racial group) will never achieve economic nor intellectual parity with the whites/Asians (again, as a racial group). Nowhere in the world has this yet or ever happened.
What more could possibly be done?
Why do we even bother any more?
@Fishrrman
Well,I do remember the black radicals in the 60's telling young black men to try to impregnate every white girl that couldn't outrun them.
The idea being to bring down the whites while raising up the blacks at the same time.
They smoothed this approach up some in the 70's by trying to "guilt-trip" white girls into letting them throw a hump into them by accusing any that turned them down of being a bigot.
They have had pretty good luck with that program,too. All you have to do is look around and see it for yourself.
Having said that,there ARE some pretty damn sharp blacks running around out there,and I have known and been friends with a few. Ironically enough,it SEEMS like none of them were of mixed blood.
There is also the fact that the Asians seem to be to us,what whites are to the blacks. Part of that I am sure is due to their cultures promoting the value of hard work and families sticking together and helping each other.
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Believe it or not, that's exactly right.
I do believe it. All y'all convinced me, there's no hope. We're done, bye. I knew it for sure 8 years ago when O'Bastard was re-elected.
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As a practical matter, in the elimination of any noxious scrub growth, you can eliminate it at the leaves, the branches, or the root.
@Smokin Joe
There ya go!
The root: Institutions of Higher Education, and lower, right on down to Kindergartens which are pushing Communist indoctrination.
Close,but no cigar. The schools are warehouses for the drones that follow the orders of their master happily because they are "True Believers". These people,for the most part,have never had a thought of their own their whole lives.
Want to stop this stuff with the minimum amount of blood shed and strife? Go after people like Buffett and Soros in the US,and don't stop there. Go after the international bankers where ever you find them,and take them out.
Once the financing stops,it all falls apart.
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I do believe it. All y'all convinced me, there's no hope. We're done, bye. I knew it for sure 8 years ago when O'Bastard was re-elected.
No hope? Well thanks for telling me. Because then I might as well shut up and pull the lever for whoever and just let it come.
There is hope, always, springing eternally. It can all turn around on a dime, good Lord willing. So speaking for myself, I will continue the Conservative fight, even if I am the last one on earth.
I just will no longer be satisfied with quarter measures and promises that never happen. The only thing that will fix our nation, short of Shilo come, is principled men doing principled things.
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I would have to agree @roamer_1 Racism largely exists in large liberal cities; Detroit, LA, Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle, etc., etc.
That liberal mindset has been entrenched in them by their liberal leaders and liberal schools for decades. IF only they could see past all the lies and manipulation, what a different world we would live in.
I quite literally DO live in a different world @libertybele ... One that is green and brown, not gray and black... One where one necessarily relies upon neighbors, no matter their race, so race is hardly even a factor. There are some here that are offended by race, but they are few and far between... Even wrt Native Americans, who would be the supposed 'underclass' here... But even at that, it is normally against rez indians, and not natives in general. So yeah. It IS possible, and I would say, where I have been (sans cities), it is the norm.
Folks just have to understand that the liberals are spewing bullcrap and ignore them. And that may be closer than you think.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. -2 Chronicles 7:14
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Even wrt Native Americans, who would be the supposed 'underclass' here... But even at that, it is normally against rez indians
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There is no "finer" examples of the human parasites that socialism brings than the creatures known as "Reservation Indians".
Anybody that thinks socialism is great needs to spend a couple of days on a reservation,taking in all they see.
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There is no "finer" examples of the human parasites that socialism brings than the creatures known as "Reservation Indians".
Anybody that thinks socialism is great needs to spend a couple of days on a reservation,taking in all they see.
It is a pretty desperate place. But even there, there are good people. Being a hillbilly, I have a lot of interaction with Natives. Mostly Salish, but also Blackfeet and Cheyenne... Because of that, I have had opportunity to meet off-rez Natives that have many relatives still on the rez, normally too old and poor to be elsewhere. The kind of people that raised their kids right - And got them free of the rez. That takes hella good folks.
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At this point for me it is more fear than frustration -- fear that there will be massive interruptions at polling places and people won't get to vote and the votes that will be counted are of those that actually make it to the polls and mail-in-votes. Those that couldn't get into the polls - -their votes obviously won't get counted because the polls will close. There has been a huge push in my county to vote by mail. We have received two applications now for mail-in voting. That has never happened in the 30 years that we've been down here. The application makes it look like it has been requested by the President himself, but the applications are being printed and mailed out by the county Supervisor of Elections.
@libertybele
1. "...fear that there will be massive interruptions at polling places and people won't get to vote..."
Each voting precinct has a distance marker around the polling place and the only people allowed past the marker is a voter going in to vote. It is against the law for any other person to go past the marker. If someone does that, the election judge has the power of a district judge and will call law enforcement and that person or people will be arrested.
2. When it is time for the precinct to close on election day, those in line at that time, will be allowed to vote - anyone coming after closing time cannot vote.
3. Mail-in ballots. The board that evaluates mail-in ballots meets days before election day in order to validate the ballots. (Trump seems to think nothing happens to mail ballots until election day - someone should tell him they are checked days before election day.) Because of that, the only mail-in ballots validated on election day are those that came through the mail on election day. At closing time on election day, the first ballots going through the machines are the early ballots and mail ballots.
4. "We have received two applications now for mail-in voting."
Sometimes, candidates send applications for mail ballots to older people. If other people in that state can vote by mail, the candidate can send applications to all those people.
One of your applications may come from your Florida Republican Party. Look on the applications for these words, likely in small print: "From the Florida Republican Party". It will have the return address of the County Supervisor of Elections so when you mail it that is where it goes.
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@Victoria33 I don't know if your item #3 is true in all states. It is in AZ, but I saw somebody talking about an eastern state (PA?) that doesn't even open the ballots until the morning of election day.
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@Fishrrman
Well,I do remember the black radicals in the 60's telling young black men to try to impregnate every white girl that couldn't outrun them.
The idea being to bring down the whites while raising up the blacks at the same time.
They smoothed this approach up some in the 70's by trying to "guilt-trip" white girls into letting them throw a hump into them by accusing any that turned them down of being a bigot.
They have had pretty good luck with that program,too. All you have to do is look around and see it for yourself.
Having said that,there ARE some pretty damn sharp blacks running around out there,and I have known and been friends with a few. Ironically enough,it SEEMS like none of them were of mixed blood.
There is also the fact that the Asians seem to be to us,what whites are to the blacks. Part of that I am sure is due to their cultures promoting the value of hard work and families sticking together and helping each other.
WRT Asians vs Whites, the difference is that while (some of) the Whites promote excellence in their children, the Asians I have known demand it.
Those formative years spent learning fundamentals, being expected to do very well, if not be at the top of the class have an effect--that becomes habit, ingrained that you WILL do well, you expect it of yourself, and you aren't afraid to work to get there.
It doesn't matter if you have an IQ of 160. If you don't apply yourself, you are just a smart bum.
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Close,but no cigar. The schools are warehouses for the drones that follow the orders of their master happily because they are "True Believers". These people,for the most part,have never had a thought of their own their whole lives.
Want to stop this stuff with the minimum amount of blood shed and strife? Go after people like Buffett and Soros in the US,and don't stop there. Go after the international bankers where ever you find them,and take them out.
Once the financing stops,it all falls apart.
Thats the stem, @sneakypete , it supports and feeds the rest of the plant. Girdle it, tap it, choke it off, cut it, the whole plant dies.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. -2 Chronicles 7:14
pointing-up :amen:
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@Victoria33 I don't know if your item #3 is true in all states. It is in AZ, but I saw somebody talking about an eastern state (PA?) that doesn't even open the ballots until the morning of election day.
@Cyber Liberty
I doubt that for this election. Every state knows their mail ballots will be huge this year - I do not think a state would wait until election day to check every mail ballot materials.
What is going to happen is the Board that checks them are going to throw thousands to hundreds of thousands out because they did not sign the application and/or the mail in envelope. There must be two signatures to compare and if one is not there, they will reject it. They can go to the original signature when they signed up to be a voter, and use that signature to compare to the one signature they have. If the voter did not sign anything, just sent in the ballot and materials without signing anything, the ballot is thrown out. I fear so many have never voted by mail, they won't read the directions.
Because so many will be rejected, there will be people who say the election is rigged because they threw out so many mail ballots.
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@Cyber Liberty
I doubt that for this election. Every state knows their mail ballots will be huge this year - I do not think a state would wait until election day to check every mail ballot materials.
What is going to happen is the Board that checks them are going to throw thousands to hundreds of thousands out because they did not sign the application and/or the mail in envelope. There must be two signatures to compare and if one is not there, they will reject it. They can go to the original signature when they signed up to be a voter, and use that signature to compare to the one signature they have. If the voter did not sign anything, just sent in the ballot and materials without signing anything, the ballot is thrown out. I fear so many have never voted by mail, they won't read the directions.
Because so many will be rejected, there will be people who say the election is rigged because they threw out so many mail ballots.
In many states (like AZ), if there is a problem with the signature, like being missing, the voter is called and asked to come in to "fix" it. That's where the chicanery will come in.
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In many states (like AZ), if there is a problem with the signature, like being missing, the voter is called and asked to come in to "fix" it. That's where the chicanery will come in.
@Cyber Liberty
What would the "chicanery" be?
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@libertybele
1. "...fear that there will be massive interruptions at polling places and people won't get to vote..."
Each voting precinct has a distance marker around the polling place and the only people allowed past the marker is a voter going in to vote. It is against the law for any other person to go past the marker. If someone does that, the election judge has the power of a district judge and will call law enforcement and that person or people will be arrested.
2. When it is time for the precinct to close on election day, those in line at that time, will be allowed to vote - anyone coming after closing time cannot vote.
3. Mail-in ballots. The board that evaluates mail-in ballots meets days before election day in order to validate the ballots. (Trump seems to think nothing happens to mail ballots until election day - someone should tell him they are checked days before election day.) Because of that, the only mail-in ballots validated on election day are those that came through the mail on election day. At closing time on election day, the first ballots going through the machines are the early ballots and mail ballots.
4. "We have received two applications now for mail-in voting."
Sometimes, candidates send applications for mail ballots to older people. If other people in that state can vote by mail, the candidate can send applications to all those people.
One of your applications may come from your Florida Republican Party. Look on the applications for these words, likely in small print: "From the Florida Republican Party". It will have the return address of the County Supervisor of Elections so when you mail it that is where it goes.
@Victoria33 yes, I realize that there are laws in place surrounding the polling places as you mentioned. However, we are talking about groups such as BLM, Antifa, and other subversive groups that have already blocked entry ways and access to various different venues, destroyed buildings, attacked innocent civilians, law enforcement officers, etc. Most have not been held accountable, and the left is bailing these people out. Do you really think they care if they're breaking voting precinct laws? They are ruling by mob rule, getting away with it and could care less.
If you think "laws" are going to contain these people, you haven't been paying attention to what they're doing and what they're capable of.
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@libertybele
You said: "If you think 'laws' are going to contain these people, you haven't been paying attention to what they're doing and what they're capable of."
You are correct these people don't care about the law, but the law gives officers the right to arrest them. Without the law, they could do nothing to stop these people.
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@libertybele
You said: "If you think 'laws' are going to contain these people, you haven't been paying attention to what they're doing and what they're capable of."
You are correct these people don't care about the law, but the law gives officers the right to arrest them. Without the law, they could do nothing to stop these people.
@Victoria33 Keep in mind that several cities have now defunded their police force, mayors have refused to contain the riots as well as governors.
Of course not in every city (yet), but IMHO I forsee those cities with a heavy GOP voting prevalence and their precincts being targets.
Yes the police have the right to arrest these people -- but in taking a look at some of the cities, the police have been absolutely overwhelmed.
I don't see a peaceful election day; not in the least.
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@Cyber Liberty
What would the "chicanery" be?
For openers, that would be casting a vote days/weeks after Election Day.
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For openers, that would be casting a vote days/weeks after Election Day.
Yeah. I can see that. Instead of trunk loads of suddenly discovered ballots, it will be truckloads... Organized federally, wherever they find they need them.
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I would have to agree @roamer_1 Racism largely exists in large liberal cities; Detroit, LA, Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle, etc., etc.
That liberal mindset has been entrenched in them by their liberal leaders and liberal schools for decades. IF only they could see past all the lies and manipulation, what a different world we would live in.
Maybe among individuals, but not in law. We ended institutional/systemic racism a long time ago.
If you're looking for a time were nobody dislikes others because their different you will have to wait until Jesus the Christ returns.
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@Victoria33 Keep in mind that several cities have now defunded their police force, mayors have refused to contain the riots as well as governors.
Of course not in every city (yet), but IMHO I forsee those cities with a heavy GOP voting prevalence and their precincts being targets.
Yes the police have the right to arrest these people -- but in taking a look at some of the cities, the police have been absolutely overwhelmed.
I don't see a peaceful election day; not in the least.
You left out prosecutors who refuse to prosecute, turning the efforts of police into a game of "Catch and release".
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WRT Asians vs Whites, the difference is that while (some of) the Whites promote excellence in their children, the Asians I have known demand it.
Those formative years spent learning fundamentals, being expected to do very well, if not be at the top of the class have an effect--that becomes habit, ingrained that you WILL do well, you expect it of yourself, and you aren't afraid to work to get there.
It doesn't matter if you have an IQ of 160. If you don't apply yourself, you are just a smart bum.
@Smokin Joe
And there it is.
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Maybe among individuals, but not in law. We ended institutional/systemic racism a long time ago.
If you're looking for a time were nobody dislikes others because their different you will have to wait until Jesus the Christ returns.
By law yes.
The point that I am trying to make is that in order to combat the coming marxism/communism and continued oppression I believe it will be necessary for Blacks and Whites to come together. As long as we remain divided and don't stand up for our rights under the Constitution and in fact demand our rights under the Constitution, our Republic will not stand, we will be a divided and conquered nation.
Sure I am doubtful this will happen as I believe we're gong to see civil unrest like never before and very likely our Republic will fall as a result.
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You left out prosecutors who refuse to prosecute, turning the efforts of police into a game of "Catch and release".
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By law yes.
The point that I am trying to make is that in order to combat the coming marxism/communism and continued oppression I believe it will be necessary for Blacks and Whites to come together. As long as we remain divided and don't stand up for our rights under the Constitution and in fact demand our rights under the Constitution, our Republic will not stand, we will be a divided and conquered nation.
Sure I am doubtful this will happen as I believe we're gong to see civil unrest like never before and very likely our Republic will fall as a result.
Unfortunately, the obvious will become the dividing line unless those Blacks and Whites who want more for their children and are willing to work for that, rather than go the Communist route, come together and organize BEFORE it comes to open conflict. It may be that the opportunity for that has already passed, but there are Trump supporting and conservative blacks in this area, as well as Latinos, who came here and work or worked in the oil patch or even at other private sector or civil service jobs.
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WRT Asians vs Whites, the difference is that while (some of) the Whites promote excellence in their children, the Asians I have known demand it.
Those formative years spent learning fundamentals, being expected to do very well, if not be at the top of the class have an effect--that becomes habit, ingrained that you WILL do well, you expect it of yourself, and you aren't afraid to work to get there.
It doesn't matter if you have an IQ of 160. If you don't apply yourself, you are just a smart bum.
Hi IQ and no discipline or morality is the recipe for very bad things. At a minimum high IQ requires discipline to be productive.
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Unfortunately, the obvious will become the dividing line unless those Blacks and Whites who want more for their children and are willing to work for that, rather than go the Communist route, come together and organize BEFORE it comes to open conflict. It may be that the opportunity for that has already passed, but there are Trump supporting and conservative blacks in this area, as well as Latinos, who came here and work or worked in the oil patch or even at other private sector or civil service jobs.
That opportunity was the election of a fake black man to the Presidency in 2008, and O'Bastard betrayed the country by using his position to constantly pour gasoline on the fire for eight solid years. The rioting we see now is the natural progression from that original crime.
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Hi IQ and no discipline or morality is the recipe for very bad things. At a minimum high IQ requires discipline to be productive.
AND morality to keep from doing evil ... Smart, disciplined evil is a terrible thing.
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That opportunity was the election of a fake black man to the Presidency in 2008, and O'Bastard betrayed the country by using his position to constantly pour gasoline on the fire for eight solid years. The rioting we see now is the natural progression from that original crime.
No argument there. We all got to watch the slow motion train wreck that was his administration set race relations in this country back over half a century. Now all those little ACORNS have sprouted.
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No argument there. We all got to watch the slow motion train wreck that was his administration set race relations in this country back over half a century. Now all those little ACORNS have sprouted.
I actually don't think that's true, by and large. I think it is a concoction. All constructed in liberal cities with liberal angst and gimmedat rules. I don't think it will ever be effective beyond the confines that are allowing it.
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That opportunity was the election of a fake black man to the Presidency in 2008, and O'Bastard betrayed the country by using his position to constantly pour gasoline on the fire for eight solid years. The rioting we see now is the natural progression from that original crime.
@Smokin Joe
WRT Asians vs Whites, the difference is that while (some of) the Whites promote excellence in their children, the Asians I have known demand it.
Those formative years spent learning fundamentals, being expected to do very well, if not be at the top of the class have an effect--that becomes habit, ingrained that you WILL do well, you expect it of yourself, and you aren't afraid to work to get there.
It doesn't matter if you have an IQ of 160. If you don't apply yourself, you are just a smart bum.
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@Cyber Liberty
@Smokin Joe
And there it is.
The core of the problem is that ever since the 1960's,the Dims have controlled the black population through the NAACP and their Pastors,and the message the typical black has heard is "You SHOULD be KINGS,but the white man took it away from you in order to prevent you from reaching your natural destiny of ruling the world!
They do this because they are jealous of your ability and afraid of the natural power of the black man to take it all away from them,including their women!
They start this in the White Man schools by demanding you learn White Man history and the rules of White Man Society,in order to keep you in a slave state so they can control you!
Resist! Resist,Brothers! You don't need the White Man's schools because they are designed to teach you to fail!"
The words in quotations are not actual quotes,but I am fairly certain that is the gist of what has been taught to the typical black since the 60's.
This lead to many,MANY blacks never getting beyond the 8th grade,so the next step was to modify the school curriculum's so the blacks COULD pass. No longer teaching cursive writing is just one example. The goal is to dumb it down so your pet rabbit could get diplomas,and when that finally happens,America is over because all we will have is a ruling class and a labor class. There will be no more creators,whose genius has inspired others to be creative,and we will all be a part of the Borg.
Which is also a part of the plan. Lower expectations,and you will never again have a class of troublemakers looking to change the system.
Everybody will be a cog in the machine and live "acceptable" lives as long as they cause no trouble.
You will work at your assigned job,your family will live in their assigned housing with no bills to pay,and your children will go to their assigned schools to learn their assigned tasks in the world when they become adults.
Other than the families of the international bankers and their friends,that is.
As the left used to be fond of saying back in the 60's,"You don't have to be a Weatherman to tell there is a storm coming!"
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By law yes.
The point that I am trying to make is that in order to combat the coming marxism/communism and continued oppression I believe it will be necessary for Blacks and Whites to come together. As long as we remain divided and don't stand up for our rights under the Constitution and in fact demand our rights under the Constitution, our Republic will not stand, we will be a divided and conquered nation.
Sure I am doubtful this will happen as I believe we're gong to see civil unrest like never before and very likely our Republic will fall as a result.
No one is stopping anyone from joining with conservatives in the Pub party. My experience has been any minority individual is not only welcomed, but embraced. We don't have to get down in the gutter and buy into critical race theory. We have to be vocal about why we are conservatives.
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No one is stopping anyone from joining with conservatives in the Pub party. My experience has been any minority individual is not only welcomed, but embraced. We don't have to get down in the gutter and buy into critical race theory. We have to be vocal about why we are conservatives.
??? I think perhaps you missed my point. This has nothing to do with the Republican Party. There is corruption on both sides of the aisle. My belief is in order to circumvent the globalists (left and right included) to topple this Republic, both races will need to come together -- enough is enough. Has really nothing to do with racism but rather a mass majority standing for our rights under the Constitution.
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No one is stopping anyone from joining with conservatives in the Pub party. My experience has been any minority individual is not only welcomed, but embraced. We don't have to get down in the gutter and buy into critical race theory. We have to be vocal about why we are conservatives.
@bilo
THANK YOU!