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Title: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: mystery-ak on April 10, 2019, 11:01:43 pm
Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
By Rafael Bernal - 04/10/19 04:48 PM EDT


The acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Ron Vitiello, has resigned amid an agencywide restructuring of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
 
Vitiello had originally been nominated to take over the post permanently, but his nomination was abruptly pulled last week by President Trump, who said he wanted to go in a "tougher" direction.
 
Outgoing Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen announced the news of Vitiello's departure on Wednesday, praising his "knowledge and expertise as a seasoned law enforcement professional."
 
Nielsen said in a statement that Vitiello "has left a legacy of excellence as our Department has expanded and refined our efforts to curb illegal immigration and secure our borders."

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/438308-acting-ice-director-resigns
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Sanguine on April 11, 2019, 12:01:43 am
No more business-as-usual bureaucrats. 
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 11, 2019, 01:06:04 am
No more business-as-usual bureaucrats.

I think the business as usual bureaucrat is Trump.

https://therightscoop.com/ice-officers-write-angry-letter-to-trump/
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Sanguine on April 11, 2019, 01:16:14 am
I think the business as usual bureaucrat is Trump.

https://therightscoop.com/ice-officers-write-angry-letter-to-trump/

We disagree on that.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 11, 2019, 01:21:25 am
We disagree on that.

I can accept that.  But Trump is firing people but not doing anything to stop the situation that caused these ICE oficcials to write the letter.  Trump needs to take responsibility for what he has done.  He has given illegals incentive.  Especially in the last bill he signed.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Sanguine on April 11, 2019, 01:23:28 am
I can accept that.  But Trump is firing people but not doing anything to stop the situation that caused these ICE oficcials to write the letter.  Trump needs to take responsibility for what he has done.  He has given illegals incentive.  Especially in the last bill he signed.

His lack of effectiveness bugs the heck out of me, but I sure don't think he's "business as usual" for DC.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: truth_seeker on April 11, 2019, 02:36:59 am
No more business-as-usual bureaucrats.

Usually viewed as positive by Real Conservatives.

That Lynch, Comey, Brennan, and others would commit treason to obstruct Trump, is seemingly beyond the grasp of those who blame Trump for each failure by the status quo government bureaucracy.

Trump fires a few bureaucrats; Reagan fired the airtraffic controllers.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Absalom on April 11, 2019, 02:07:28 pm
By now Trump's persona should be obvious to anyone who
has heard or observed him, if only briefly.
He is a narcissist, craving constant attention and applause,
cannot judge character in subordinates and does not reflect.
As a result, his mistakes in judgement will continue indefinitely
as will his executive merry-go-round in DC.
Yet his fan club has no problem w/such behavior and will make
any/every excuse imaginable, "Cuz he's duin a great job!"
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 11, 2019, 02:28:47 pm
By now Trump's persona should be obvious to anyone who
has heard or observed him, if only briefly.
He is a narcissist, craving constant attention and applause,
cannot judge character in subordinates and does not reflect.
As a result, his mistakes in judgement will continue indefinitely
as will his executive merry-go-round in DC.
Yet his fan club has no problem w/such behavior and will make
any/every excuse imaginable, "Cuz he's duin a great job!"


True.  He is a narcissist.  People that continue to support him are either in denial or they don't care about National Security.  All this President works for is the attention of the people.  He will do anything to get it.  He craves it and if he sees that his "art of the deal" skills aren't working he goes ballistic.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Sanguine on April 11, 2019, 02:44:04 pm
I've got news for you - that position in these contentious times pretty much requires someone with a high degree of narcissism.   A "normal" person couldn't handle it.  That doesn't make Trump a good guy any more than it makes him a bad guy. 
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Absalom on April 11, 2019, 04:29:33 pm
I've got news for you - that position in these contentious times pretty much requires someone with a high degree of narcissism.   A "normal" person couldn't handle it.  That doesn't make Trump a good guy any more than it makes him a bad guy.
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Ok, let's comprise; he's a good narcissist!!!
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Sanguine on April 11, 2019, 05:46:22 pm
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Ok, let's comprise; he's a good narcissist!!!

You think so?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 12, 2019, 12:45:09 am
I've got news for you - that position in these contentious times pretty much requires someone with a high degree of narcissism.   A "normal" person couldn't handle it.  That doesn't make Trump a good guy any more than it makes him a bad guy.



Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 12, 2019, 12:59:35 am
I've got news for you - that position in these contentious times pretty much requires someone with a high degree of narcissism.   A "normal" person couldn't handle it.  That doesn't make Trump a good guy any more than it makes him a bad guy.


Thank you.  You made me laugh.  Or are you serious?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist)

They make great dictators.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Sanguine on April 12, 2019, 01:16:30 am

Thank you.  You made me laugh.  Or are you serious?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist)

They make great dictators.

Good grief. Yeah, that's it.  Trump is a dictator. 
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 12, 2019, 01:41:17 am
Good grief. Yeah, that's it.  Trump is a dictator.

The worst kind. I'm sure the Cattle Cars and gas chambers are being built as we speak. *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 12, 2019, 03:32:32 am
Good grief. Yeah, that's it.  Trump is a dictator.


Good grief!  Good grief, really?  You did say the job required a high degree of narcissism.  I have a hard time imagining someone with problematic narcissism running the country.  And you can see the results.  You can pretend that narcissism is a good mental disorder for POTUS, but I won't.  Yes, there are a lot of dictators that had that mental disorder.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Absalom on April 12, 2019, 05:41:04 pm
An anecdote, before this evolves into another urinary contest.
In his Metamorphoses, Ovid labeled Narcissus as a hunter from
Thespis who was relentlessly followed by Echo whose love he
rejected, provoking her suicide.
Caravaggio portrayed him as having striking beauty and
endlessly gazing into a clear pool which reflected his image,
eternally fixated on himself.
He is well represented in DC.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: DCPatriot on April 12, 2019, 05:52:10 pm

Good grief!  Good grief, really?  You did say the job required a high degree of narcissism.  I have a hard time imagining someone with problematic narcissism running the country.  And you can see the results.  You can pretend that narcissism is a good mental disorder for POTUS, but I won't.  Yes, there are a lot of dictators that had that mental disorder.

I don't agree at all that Donald Trump's strong ego is a problem for the Presidency or the nation.

As far as "narcissism", it would show in his presidency the way it appeared in his initial 2016 campaign....except it hasn't!

The POTUS always uses "WE" when citing his accomplishments...unlike the Kenyan.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: truth_seeker on April 12, 2019, 06:17:11 pm
Most leaders are different. They are more driven. They are opinionated. They want to do more than merely succeed.

You could read books and watch videos full time, for the rest of your life about "Leaders."

Many of them risked being different, too loud, too strong.

online #nevertrumpers learned a word. narcisist. Enjoy your company with CNN, MSNBC, etc.with your new word.

Be sure to get your very own oniine evaluation by an  "expert of the mind.".

If you employ even more of your own mind, you will learn/conclude that the media warned you about Adolph Reagan, and Benito Nixon, and Fidel Goldwater.

And of course about their terrible supporters.

It is nothing new.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: DCPatriot on April 12, 2019, 06:28:55 pm
Most leaders are different. They are more driven. They are opinionated. They want to do more than merely succeed.

You could read books and watch videos full time, for the rest of your life about "Leaders."

Many of them risked being different, too loud, too strong.

online #nevertrumpers learned a word. narcisist. Enjoy your company with CNN, MSNBC, etc.with your new word.

Be sure to get your very own oniine evaluation by an  "expert of the mind.".

If you employ even more of your own mind, you will learn/conclude that the media warned you about Adolph Reagan, and Benito Nixon, and Fidel Goldwater.

And of course about their terrible supporters.

It is nothing new.


Social Media and our smart phones make it a much more combustible situation...when applied to the 'Hive mentality'.

And the hive is 350M +/- strong.

Can you imagine the censorship that would progress under a Clinton or Leftist POTUS?   And remember, we were never supposed to find out about their crimes.

They were well on their way.

sorry for going OT....
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: berdie on April 12, 2019, 09:32:20 pm
POTUS always uses "WE" when citing his accomplishments...unlike the Kenyan.


Well...there is the "royal" we. :whistle:
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 10:37:26 pm
How many "acting" directors does Trump have now?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 12, 2019, 10:43:24 pm
How many "acting" directors does Trump have now?

Maybe you should ask the Rats and Rinos how many nominees they obstructed?  It would be more meaningful than your one-liners.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 11:25:10 pm
Maybe you should ask the Rats and Rinos how many nominees they obstructed?  It would be more meaningful than your one-liners.
Ooops.  Looks like Trump's failure is my fault.  So sorry.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 12, 2019, 11:55:14 pm
Ooops.  Looks like Trump's failure is my fault.  So sorry.

Huh?  I didn't say anything close to that.  Is that you, Representative Waddler?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: dancer on April 13, 2019, 09:34:51 am
 :patriot:

GWB had 15 directors fired or resigned.  So did Obama, 15.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2019, 09:39:11 am
:patriot:

GWB had 15 directors fired or resigned.  So did Obama, 15.
@dancer
Was that after 8 years or just after 2 years?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: dancer on April 13, 2019, 10:40:25 am
Nielsen "resigned" because she refused to get the upper level Obama people out of her department. 

The Swamp is full of obstructionists on the top levels, which is why PDJT is going after the Office of Personnel Management.  The Obama holdovers block most of Trump's nominees.   These are the SES members who constantly block anything Trump tries to do. 







The 15 were top level heads fired or resigned during their 8 year tenure, @Once-Ler.

@dancer
Was that after 8 years or just after 2 years?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2019, 10:56:20 am
Nielsen "resigned" because she refused to get the upper level Obama people out of her department. 

The Swamp is full of obstructionists on the top levels, which is why PDJT is going after the Office of Personnel Management.  The Obama holdovers block most of Trump's nominees.   These are the SES members who constantly block anything Trump tries to do.
It's good to see President Trump remove Obama appointees like Kirstjen Nielsen, Jeff Sessions, and Rod Rosenstein.

He's doing a great job. @dancer

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The 15 were top level heads fired or resigned during their 8 year tenure, @Once-Ler.
That's what I thought.  Trump is breaking all the records on fired and resigned cabinet members.  #MAGA
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Victoria33 on April 13, 2019, 11:11:34 pm
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist)
They make great dictators.
@Chosen Daughter
@mystery-ak 

Yes, dictators have the same personality features as Trump.  I repeat the link you posted because it explains Trump.  I have said before, I have psychologically tested thousands of people and I know what human behavior over and over tells me.  Never have I seen human behavior like his that screams every second, "I am dangerous and you don't even see it.  Stupid you, stupid all of you."  His behavior is that of a "Malignant Narcissist".  Such a person thinks he can excel in life by trashing everyone else because they are too stupid to know what he is doing - think "Actor Malignant Narcissist". 

He trashes something or someone, or comes out with another illegal action he is going to take (then doesn't), EVERY Day so TV news stations have to cover him all day every day.  No president in history has caused this much coverage - every day, all day, all night.  Twenty-four, 24, hours a day the rest of his life.
People should read the below link instead of trashing this thread.  Learn the truth before trashing the truth:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist)
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: libertybele on April 13, 2019, 11:14:22 pm
@dancer
Was that after 8 years or just after 2 years?

Meh ... minor details.   :beer:
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: libertybele on April 13, 2019, 11:23:39 pm
@Chosen Daughter
@mystery-ak 

Yes, dictators have the same personality features as Trump.  I repeat the link you posted because it explains Trump.  I have said before, I have psychologically tested thousands of people and I know what human behavior over and over tells me.  Never have I seen human behavior like his that screams every second, "I am dangerous and you don't even see it.  Stupid you, stupid all of you."  His behavior is that of a "Malignant Narcissist".  Such a person thinks he can excel in life by trashing everyone else because they are too stupid to know what he is doing - think "Actor Malignant Narcissist". 

He trashes something or someone, or comes out with another illegal action he is going to take (then doesn't), EVERY Day so TV news stations have to cover him all day every day.  No president in history has caused this much coverage - every day, all day, all night.  Twenty-four, 24, hours a day the rest of his life.
People should read the below link instead of trashing this thread.  Learn the truth before trashing the truth:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist)

There has never been any doubt in my mind that Trump has a classic narcissistic personality.  I pointed out reports from various different psychologists when he was campaigning.  Some compared him to Hitler ... I was criticized for the posts.  They compared him to Hitler, because he also had a narcissistic personality.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 11:36:53 pm
There has never been any doubt in my mind that Trump has a classic narcissistic personality.  I pointed out reports from various different psychologists when he was campaigning.  Some compared him to Hitler ... I was criticized for the posts.  They compared him to Hitler, because he also had a narcissistic personality.


I think everyone knows.  What I can't understand is why they don't care.  Narcissism is self serving.  Everything all the time is about them.  How can that be good for a leader?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 11:38:31 pm
@Chosen Daughter
@mystery-ak 

Yes, dictators have the same personality features as Trump.  I repeat the link you posted because it explains Trump.  I have said before, I have psychologically tested thousands of people and I know what human behavior over and over tells me.  Never have I seen human behavior like his that screams every second, "I am dangerous and you don't even see it.  Stupid you, stupid all of you."  His behavior is that of a "Malignant Narcissist".  Such a person thinks he can excel in life by trashing everyone else because they are too stupid to know what he is doing - think "Actor Malignant Narcissist". 

He trashes something or someone, or comes out with another illegal action he is going to take (then doesn't), EVERY Day so TV news stations have to cover him all day every day.  No president in history has caused this much coverage - every day, all day, all night.  Twenty-four, 24, hours a day the rest of his life.
People should read the below link instead of trashing this thread.  Learn the truth before trashing the truth:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201709/inside-the-mind-narcissist)


I think what we are seeing now is desperation to keep the focus on him just like you said.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2019, 11:48:03 pm

I think everyone knows.  What I can't understand is why they don't care.  Narcissism is self serving.  Everything all the time is about them.  How can that be good for a leader?

What scares me is many republicans/conservatives found Trump's personality traits so odious they couldn't vote for him in 2016.  Today some of those people freely admit Trump is still a disgusting person, but because he kept the trains running on schedule(taxcuts, judges, cutting regulations) they now say they will vote for Trump in 2020.  The rats did the same thing in 1996 when the returned rapist Clinton to the Whitehouse.  Why should the GOP be better?  Trump 2020 - Slouching Towards Gomorrah

What will be the starting point for the GOP in 2028?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2019, 12:09:13 am
What scares me is many republicans/conservatives found Trump's personality traits so odious they couldn't vote for him in 2016.  Today some of those people freely admit Trump is still a disgusting person, but because he kept the trains running on schedule(taxcuts, judges, cutting regulations) they now say they will vote for Trump in 2020.  The rats did the same thing in 1996 when the returned rapist Clinton to the Whitehouse.  Why should the GOP be better?  Trump 2020 - Slouching Towards Gomorrah

What will be the starting point for the GOP in 2028?


Everyone is assuming that Trump will run for re-election.  I am still not convinced.  I don't have the stats in front of me, nor do I think anyone really knows how many coming through right now are going to be granted asylum; meaning that they will eventually be able to apply for citizenship, which also means that they can vote.  Certainly in time for the 2024 elections.

I don't hold much hope that we are going to have much of a country left in a couple of years.  2028 is 9 years away ... hard to imagine any starting point for the GOP and for that matter will they even exist?
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: corbe on April 14, 2019, 12:13:01 am
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What will be the starting point for the GOP in 2028?

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/04/HannityWarning.jpg)(https://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2017/02/20/milo-yiannopoulos-2-x750.jpg)

              You asked @Once-Ler, extra bonus, your VP candidate, also
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2019, 12:27:04 am
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/04/HannityWarning.jpg)(https://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2017/02/20/milo-yiannopoulos-2-x750.jpg)

              You asked @Once-Ler, extra bonus, your VP candidate, also

Ok @corbe I give up .... who is the charmer next to Hannity? 
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: corbe on April 14, 2019, 12:29:21 am
MILO, of course, as if the GOP is not queer enuf.
Title: Re: Acting ICE director resigns after Trump pulls nomination
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2019, 12:47:10 am
MILO, of course, as if the GOP is not queer enuf.
You can't fool me.  That is Billy Idol.

I have a little sympathy for Micheal Cohen, so it's nice to see he might have another shot at a pardon for problem fixing whatever he did for future President Hannity.