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Title: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: mystery-ak on May 30, 2020, 02:03:07 pm
 Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
by Rob Crilly
 | May 30, 2020 12:00 AM


Minneapolis is on fire. Beijing is flexing its muscles. And there is no immediate end in sight to the coronavirus pandemic that has already claimed 100,000 lives in the United States and shuttered swaths of the economy.

Less than six months before the election, President Trump is being tested like never before, battling crises that range from racial tensions at home to geopolitical shifts in the Far East.

Some are partly of his own making, such as provoking a war with social media companies after a string of incendiary, defamatory, or untrue tweets, while others stem from the sudden emergence of a deadly infectious disease more than 7,000 miles away.

The result is likely to be a long, hot summer of discord.

Opponents see an opening for the presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to appeal to a weary public with a message of calm, while supporters say it is a moment for bold leadership.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crises-everywhere-trump-fighting-on-all-fronts-before-election (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crises-everywhere-trump-fighting-on-all-fronts-before-election)
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: mystery-ak on May 30, 2020, 02:04:21 pm
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Opponents see an opening for the presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden to appeal to a weary public with a message of calm, while supporters say it is a moment for bold leadership.

Yeah Joe calm all your basement buddies down...
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: EdinVA on May 30, 2020, 02:07:45 pm
Fighting for what's right is a messy business.
Of course, he could have just followed the obama/bush/clinton lead and had an easy 8 years...
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: aligncare on May 30, 2020, 02:21:55 pm
I know it upsets some folks here to say this, but Trump is an amazing individual for a man his age. Works hard, fights hard and keeps on going, though he faces seemingly overwhelming opposition and treachery from deep state operatives of both parties.

I pray for his re-election and defeat for his enemies.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 05:22:44 pm
I know it upsets some folks here to say this, but Trump is an amazing individual for a man his age. Works hard, fights hard and keeps on going, though he faces seemingly overwhelming opposition and treachery from deep state operatives of both parties.

I pray for his re-election and defeat for his enemies.

Listen to yourself.  Deep state operatives of both parties.  This is exactly what Trump has used to keep his presidency afloat.  Q Anon, and the poor me, everyone is against me.  Its what allows Trump to tweet conspiracies and be excused for it.  He could do or say anything and any criticism would be "deep state"  Everything is an attack on poor Trump.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: skeeter on May 30, 2020, 05:27:15 pm
I know it upsets some folks here to say this, but Trump is an amazing individual for a man his age. Works hard, fights hard and keeps on going, though he faces seemingly overwhelming opposition and treachery from deep state operatives of both parties.

I pray for his re-election and defeat for his enemies.
Add my prayers to that.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 05:42:18 pm
Listen to yourself.  Deep state operatives of both parties.  This is exactly what Trump has used to keep his presidency afloat.  Q Anon, and the poor me, everyone is against me.  Its what allows Trump to tweet conspiracies and be excused for it.  He could do or say anything and any criticism would be "deep state"  Everything is an attack on poor Trump.

Ideology and hate...the two greatest blinders ever invented by humanity. You wear both as badges of honor, which makes you little better than the fools out "protesting" with rocks and clubs. Like others, you self servingly try to rename these idiocies as principle and passion. They are not.

A couple clues, as you seem to lack such. There clearly IS a deep state that not only exists but crosses party lines. That deep state IS the mortal enemy of conservatism AND President Trump. All of us here criticize the President at times much as we could find things to criticize about Winston Churchill or Franklin Roosevelt...hell...even Gandhi. But the vast majority here are smart enough to weigh the balance...and to see that the President...and the aforementioned other leaders...come out HEAVILY on the plus side of any objective scale.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 05:57:42 pm
Ideology and hate...the two greatest blinders ever invented by humanity. You wear both as badges of honor, which makes you little better than the fools out "protesting" with rocks and clubs. Like others, you self servingly try to rename these idiocies as principle and passion. They are not.

A couple clues, as you seem to lack such. There clearly IS a deep state that not only exists but crosses party lines. That deep state IS the mortal enemy of conservatism AND President Trump. All of us here criticize the President at times much as we could find things to criticize about Winston Churchill or Franklin Roosevelt...hell...even Gandhi. But the vast majority here are smart enough to weigh the balance...and to see that the President...and the aforementioned other leaders...come out HEAVILY on the plus side of any objective scale.

I don't wear hate as a badge of honor.  If you wanted to accuse anyone of that it should be Trump.  Ever present in his tweets.  At his rallies....  Deep state does exist.  I don't deny it. 

The reason I post is because I believe what I say.  If you are worried about deep state you should be worried about Trump and his alternate government.

Trump 'creating a deep state of his own,' author says
by Caitlin Yilek
 | April 16, 2020 05:22 PM


President Trump has created a “deep state” of his own by installing loyalists throughout his administration, according to author David Rohde.

“I don't know if, you know, this is a calculated thing by Trump or if he's just reacting to the political maelstrom around him, but he's — sort of under the guise of stopping a coup that doesn't exist — Trump is steadily upending the checks and balances that have really protected American democracy for centuries now. He's politicizing the Justice Department and other parts of the government to protect his friends and attack his enemies. And he's basically creating a parallel shadow government filled with loyalists,” Rohde told NPR in a recent interview.
Rohde, the author of a forthcoming book titled In Deep: The FBI, The CIA, And The Truth About America's 'Deep State,’ said Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Fox News host Sean Hannity are examples of the president’s “shadow government.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-creating-a-deep-state-of-his-own-author-says (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-creating-a-deep-state-of-his-own-author-says)
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mod2 on May 30, 2020, 06:20:53 pm
 :im waiting:
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 07:03:38 pm
I don't wear hate as a badge of honor.  If you wanted to accuse anyone of that it should be Trump.  Ever present in his tweets.  At his rallies....  Deep state does exist.  I don't deny it. 

The reason I post is because I believe what I say.  If you are worried about deep state you should be worried about Trump and his alternate government.

Trump 'creating a deep state of his own,' author says
by Caitlin Yilek
 | April 16, 2020 05:22 PM


President Trump has created a “deep state” of his own by installing loyalists throughout his administration, according to author David Rohde.

“I don't know if, you know, this is a calculated thing by Trump or if he's just reacting to the political maelstrom around him, but he's — sort of under the guise of stopping a coup that doesn't exist — Trump is steadily upending the checks and balances that have really protected American democracy for centuries now. He's politicizing the Justice Department and other parts of the government to protect his friends and attack his enemies. And he's basically creating a parallel shadow government filled with loyalists,” Rohde told NPR in a recent interview.
Rohde, the author of a forthcoming book titled In Deep: The FBI, The CIA, And The Truth About America's 'Deep State,’ said Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Fox News host Sean Hannity are examples of the president’s “shadow government.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-creating-a-deep-state-of-his-own-author-says (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-creating-a-deep-state-of-his-own-author-says)

Citing a wild-eyed liberal NYT propagandist who hates the President is not helping your case...and you once again give air to left wing talking points by citing a left wing moron. Why support the Left in this way?

You almost literally exude hatred and disdain for our President. I really don't think I'm being hyperbolic in saying that...you expend boundless energy finding and posting ANYTHING negative about him that you can found no matter how dubious the report and/or source. How is that not hate?

For context's sake, I would say that I myself "hate" Nancy Pelosi and cannot be objective about anything she says or does. I imagine we all feel that way about certain politicians, if we're being honest. Clearly, you project a similar feeling towards the President.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 07:39:51 pm
Citing a wild-eyed liberal NYT propagandist who hates the President is not helping your case...and you once again give air to left wing talking points by citing a left wing moron. Why support the Left in this way?

You almost literally exude hatred and disdain for our President. I really don't think I'm being hyperbolic in saying that...you expend boundless energy finding and posting ANYTHING negative about him that you can found no matter how dubious the report and/or source. How is that not hate?

For context's sake, I would say that I myself "hate" Nancy Pelosi and cannot be objective about anything she says or does. I imagine we all feel that way about certain politicians, if we're being honest. Clearly, you project a similar feeling towards the President.

Hate is not the word in my case.  It isn't about hate its about getting to the root of the changes happening in our government.  Swinging widely to and fro from one extreme to the next.  And honestly I didn't know who that was when I posted it other than he contributes to a Christian news source also.  But it was posted from Washington Examiner.  And it doesn't matter to me who it came from I have already come to the same conclusion on my own. 

Recently I also posted on Senator Grassley questioning of Trump firings.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley: Trump has failed to justify ouster of watchdogs, fueling political speculation
Deirdre Shesgreen
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/27/top-senate-republican-blasts-trump-justification-for-ousting-state-department-intelligence-watchdogs/5264939002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/27/top-senate-republican-blasts-trump-justification-for-ousting-state-department-intelligence-watchdogs/5264939002/)

Glaring is the transformation of government under Trump.  The Administration has even said that they are creating a dynasty.  I don't need any liberal leaning commentator to show me that.

Washington Examiner:

The Examiner has been described as and is widely regarded as conservative. When Anschutz first started the Examiner in its daily newspaper format, he envisioned creating a competitor to The Washington Post with a conservative editorial line. Sep 14 2019
The Washington Examiner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 08:31:36 pm
One deep state to another.  Trump creating his own deep state.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 08:37:55 pm
Hate is not the word in my case.  It isn't about hate its about getting to the root of the changes happening in our government.  Swinging widely to and fro from one extreme to the next.  And honestly I didn't know who that was when I posted it other than he contributes to a Christian news source also.  But it was posted from Washington Examiner.  And it doesn't matter to me who it came from I have already come to the same conclusion on my own. 

Recently I also posted on Senator Grassley questioning of Trump firings.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley: Trump has failed to justify ouster of watchdogs, fueling political speculation
Deirdre Shesgreen
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/27/top-senate-republican-blasts-trump-justification-for-ousting-state-department-intelligence-watchdogs/5264939002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/27/top-senate-republican-blasts-trump-justification-for-ousting-state-department-intelligence-watchdogs/5264939002/)

Glaring is the transformation of government under Trump.  The Administration has even said that they are creating a dynasty.  I don't need any liberal leaning commentator to show me that.

Washington Examiner:

The Examiner has been described as and is widely regarded as conservative. When Anschutz first started the Examiner in its daily newspaper format, he envisioned creating a competitor to The Washington Post with a conservative editorial line. Sep 14 2019
The Washington Examiner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner

Let's just keep this simple.

One of two men will be president after the 2020 election.

We all have but 3 options in response to this binary choice. Vote Trump...vote Biden...or...take any other action (which immediately becomes the equivalent of political martyrdom...sitting on your hands on the sidelines in abject surrender waiting for someone to come and deprive you of your constitutional rights).

Sitting on my hands and surrendering...not an option for me or most conservatives. Ditto for a Biden vote. Neither is maintaining my self gratifying purity while allowing the country to be handed over to AOC, Ilhan, and Nancy. I will take my imperfect President and fight with him against the tide of Socialist evil that is rising in this country...and apparently...you will undermine that fight and so give aid and comfort to the Left.

And that is why I object so vehemently to this NeverTrump idiocy...because in the end, it is simply surrender to the Far Left.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 08:39:56 pm
One deep state to another.  Trump creating his own deep state.

So, if a President puts solid conservatives and honorable men into positions that had previously been held by deep state actors...they are somehow now the moral equivalent of these predecessors? That makes absolutely zero sense.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: libertybele on May 30, 2020, 08:41:36 pm
Citing a wild-eyed liberal NYT propagandist who hates the President is not helping your case...and you once again give air to left wing talking points by citing a left wing moron. Why support the Left in this way?

You almost literally exude hatred and disdain for our President. I really don't think I'm being hyperbolic in saying that...you expend boundless energy finding and posting ANYTHING negative about him that you can found no matter how dubious the report and/or source. How is that not hate?

For context's sake, I would say that I myself "hate" Nancy Pelosi and cannot be objective about anything she says or does. I imagine we all feel that way about certain politicians, if we're being honest. Clearly, you project a similar feeling towards the President.

@Chosen Daughter has repeatedly announced her "dislike" for the President that is nothing new and yes she continues to post anything and everything negative about him. 

I don't like Pelosi either, but I don't deliberately go out of my way to post anything and everything negative about her. 

I guess different strokes for different folks. 
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 08:49:31 pm
Glaring is the transformation of government under Trump.  The Administration has even said that they are creating a dynasty.  I don't need any liberal leaning commentator to show me that.

This would be the same Trump Administration that even to this day can't get the FBI to investigate the biggest political scandal this country has ever faced?
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2020, 08:49:38 pm
Hate is not the word in my case.

Yes, it is.  Not only, IMO, does hate fit your narrative perfectly, I'd add "obsession" to it.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2020, 08:50:23 pm
So, if a President puts solid conservatives and honorable men into positions that had previously been held by deep state actors...they are somehow now the moral equivalent of these predecessors? That makes absolutely zero sense.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 08:55:44 pm
So, if a President puts solid conservatives and honorable men into positions that had previously been held by deep state actors...they are somehow now the moral equivalent of these predecessors? That makes absolutely zero sense.


Based on what?  Conservative has changed. 
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 08:57:17 pm
This would be the same Trump Administration that even to this day can't get the FBI to investigate the biggest political scandal this country has ever faced?

Didn't he get them to reopen the investigation into Clinton emails?
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 08:58:27 pm
@Chosen Daughter has repeatedly announced her "dislike" for the President that is nothing new and yes she continues to post anything and everything negative about him. 

I don't like Pelosi either, but I don't deliberately go out of my way to post anything and everything negative about her. 

I guess different strokes for different folks.

Maybe you should.  Just saying, but Trump rallied for her to become Speaker.  So that would be going against Trump "Conservatism".
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 09:01:31 pm

Based on what?  Conservative has changed.

What's that got to do with the appointed men being honest and honorable?

We can argue all day about how Conservatism is defined, and rest assured that definition is not a static way...and never has been. That said, the definition today is essentially the same as it has been for the past few decades. Your perception of what conservatism is...on the other hand...is likely a bit narrow and less secular than it should be...based on a reading of your many postings.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: aligncare on May 30, 2020, 09:02:13 pm
So, if a President puts solid conservatives and honorable men into positions that had previously been held by deep state actors...they are somehow now the moral equivalent of these predecessors? That makes absolutely zero sense.

The conservative* Bush put Roberts on the supreme court, and yet Bush enjoyed wide support with conservatives.

The liberal* Trump put Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and dozens of others—conservatives, on the federal courts, and he’s vilified by NeverTrumpers.

Sorta tests the limits of human logic, doesn’t it.

*your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 09:04:21 pm
Maybe you should.  Just saying, but Trump rallied for her to become Speaker.

Trump 'rallied' for the person who would harm the Democrat label the most.  But that simple truth gets in the way of the false narrative you are pushing.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 09:10:17 pm
Trump 'rallied' for the person who would harm the Democrat label the most.  But that simple truth gets in the way of the false narrative you are pushing.

Oh, I see.  It was more important to display the lunacy of Nancy Pelosi than have a working government?  Three years of the witch ruling over Congress and it was some sort of strategy I didn't understand?  Shees.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 09:12:12 pm
The conservative* Bush put Roberts on the supreme court, and yet Bush enjoyed wide support with conservatives.

The liberal* Trump put Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and dozens of others—conservatives, on the federal courts, and he’s vilified by NeverTrumpers.

Sorta tests the limits of human logic, doesn’t it.

*your mileage may vary.

Some people did question whether both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were Conservative enough.  I guess we are finding out.  Ruled for transgender surgeries in prison.


'The First Gay Justice': How Anthony Kennedy Led the Liberal Fight for Gay Marriage and Abortion
06-28-2018

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/june/the-first-gay-justice-how-anthony-kennedy-led-the-liberal-fight-for-gay-marriage-and-abortion

Anthony Kennedy Recommended Kavanaugh to Trump After Swearing in Gorsuch: Forthcoming Book

Matt NahamNov 21st, 2019, 4:49 pm 27

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/anthony-kennedy-recommended-kavanaugh-to-trump-after-swearing-in-gorsuch-forthcoming-book/


Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 09:13:43 pm
Oh, I see.  It was more important to display the lunacy of Nancy Pelosi than have a working government?  Three years of the witch ruling over Congress and it was some sort of strategy I didn't understand?  Shees.

So which Democrat do you think Trump should have voice support towards instead?
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Victoria33 on May 30, 2020, 09:23:01 pm
Throughout Trump's life he has created a crisis every single day; before TV, he would use a fake name and call newspapers to tell them what Trump was doing, so he would be on the front page of newspapers.  He has not changed since those days.  He creates a crisis/problem/personal attack(s) on people, so he will be on TV every day.

He has done this almost 3 1/2 yrs. (July will be that time.)  Voters who are weary of TV Trump every day will vote for someone else - Joe Biden who is laid back, won't insult people every day and people will get to see news/world news since Trump would not be on every news channel every day.  There would be calm, instead of chaos every day.

I do not know yet if there will be enough people who are fed up with universal Trump chaos, to unseat him.  Once again, I don't hate Trump, but he should not be president due to what I believe are his several personality disorders that make him dangerous to be president.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: truth_seeker on May 30, 2020, 09:24:25 pm
Scatterbrained enough?

But finally I get it.

It is to drive up the number of posts here, because it surely does not drive up the quality.



Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 09:26:03 pm
So which Democrat do you think Trump should have voice support towards instead?

Shouldn't have at all.  But hey, its been great for theatrics.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 09:26:43 pm
Scatterbrained enough?

But finally I get it.

It is to drive up the number of posts here, because it surely does not drive up the quality.

I feel honored.  You found an upside.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 09:29:24 pm
Shouldn't have at all.  But hey, its been great for theatrics.

Oh, so now it's all about "theatrics" and not the false premise you have been offering about Trump choosing Pelosi for Speaker.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 09:32:38 pm
Throughout Trump's life he has created a crisis every single day; before TV, he would use a fake name and call newspapers to tell them what Trump was doing, so he would be on the front page of newspapers.  He has not changed since those days.  He creates a crisis/problem/personal attack(s) on people, so he will be on TV every day.

No, he does it to keep them off balance.  He has no control over whether or not it makes it on TV.  In any negotiation, if one is able to anger the other side, then that person gains an immediate advantage.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 30, 2020, 09:45:13 pm
Throughout Trump's life he has created a crisis every single day; before TV, he would use a fake name and call newspapers to tell them what Trump was doing, so he would be on the front page of newspapers.  He has not changed since those days.  He creates a crisis/problem/personal attack(s) on people, so he will be on TV every day.

He has done this almost 3 1/2 yrs. (July will be that time.)  Voters who are weary of TV Trump every day will vote for someone else - Joe Biden who is laid back, won't insult people every day and people will get to see news/world news since Trump would not be on every news channel every day.  There would be calm, instead of chaos every day.

I do not know yet if there will be enough people who are fed up with universal Trump chaos, to unseat him.  Once again, I don't hate Trump, but he should not be president due to what I believe are his several personality disorders that make him dangerous to be president.

@Victoria33   Why should anything you post be believed when you cannot admit the President didn't create the Russia investigation hoax crisis; or the impeachment crisis or the pandemic crisis.   And the lies the media repeat and repeat and repeat are still nothing more than lies  -- yet you cannot even admit this.

Why post the same  :bs:  over and over again when it is drenched in personal animus toward the President and devoid of fact and objectivity? 
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: aligncare on May 30, 2020, 09:57:00 pm
I think the initials NT explains the why.

Joe Biden? Really?

There really is no point in trying to explain to a NeverTrumper Joe Biden’s history of spectacular personal corruption compared to Donald Trump’s career as a businessman and as someone who has built things and created thousands of jobs in the private sector.

No point whatsoever.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Absalom on May 30, 2020, 10:19:17 pm
Maybe you should.  Just saying, but Trump rallied for her to become Speaker.  So that would be going against Trump "Conservatism".
-------------------------------
Chosen, merely an observation, not a criticism.
You're dealing w/devotees obsessed over Trump who can do no wrong.
His record and reality doesn't rule their judgement, rather it's his persona;
an argumentative, belligerent, combative know-it-all narcissist:
* who cannot judge character; yet they're unconcerned,
* who merely bloviates of world changing achievements; and they're impressed
* who knows neither his enemies nor himself; but they're oblivious.
He's little more than a Cult of Personality on stage daily.


Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 10:27:20 pm
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Chosen, merely an observation, not a criticism.
You're dealing w/devotees obsessed over Trump who can do no wrong.

Do not put me in that group.  I am neither an AT nor an NT.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: libertybele on May 30, 2020, 10:28:38 pm
Throughout Trump's life he has created a crisis every single day; before TV, he would use a fake name and call newspapers to tell them what Trump was doing, so he would be on the front page of newspapers.  He has not changed since those days.  He creates a crisis/problem/personal attack(s) on people, so he will be on TV every day.

He has done this almost 3 1/2 yrs. (July will be that time.)  Voters who are weary of TV Trump every day will vote for someone else - Joe Biden who is laid back, won't insult people every day and people will get to see news/world news since Trump would not be on every news channel every day.  There would be calm, instead of chaos every day.

I do not know yet if there will be enough people who are fed up with universal Trump chaos, to unseat him.  Once again, I don't hate Trump, but he should not be president due to what I believe are his several personality disorders that make him dangerous to be president.

??? You are a very intelligent person, but I'm not buying into your claim that Trump's life has created a crisis everyday.  Certainly the night before his inauguration and the day he was sworn in weren't a crisis -- you make quite an exaggeration.

Since Trump has become President it has been the objective of the MSM to create as much negativity surrounding his presidency as they can and that is no exaggeration.

Sorry @Victoria33 you sit and psychoanalyze our President yet you are giving Biden a clean bill of mental health?  Seriously?  I see a whole lot of anti-Trump bias on your part.  Biden's past voting record speaks for itself and his obvious display that he's not playing with a full deck speaks even louder.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: libertybele on May 30, 2020, 10:30:04 pm
Do not put me in that group.  I am neither an AT nor an NT.

Does it matter really what category he puts you in??  Definitely not.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 10:38:56 pm
Does it matter really what category he puts you in??  Definitely not.

Sorry, I have this personality quirk that truth matters.  I forget that others do not.  Forgive me.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Absalom on May 30, 2020, 10:41:28 pm
Do not put me in that group.  I am neither an AT nor an NT.
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Hoodat, I labeled no one.
As you know, our words label us.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 10:55:06 pm
My only enemies here are untruths and non-rational persuasion.  So when you tell Chosen that she is "dealing w/devotees obsessed over Trump who can do no wrong", then I will point out that not everyone here challenging her statements falls in that category.  There is a lot to criticize Trump for doing.  But issuing some tweet about who the Dems should pick for Speaker is not one of them, nor is putting Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh on the High Court.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 10:58:54 pm
??? You are a very intelligent person, but I'm not buying into your claim that Trump's life has created a crisis everyday.  Certainly the night before his inauguration and the day he was sworn in weren't a crisis -- you make quite an exaggeration.

Since Trump has become President it has been the objective of the MSM to create as much negativity surrounding his presidency as they can and that is no exaggeration.

Sorry @Victoria33 you sit and psychoanalyze our President yet you are giving Biden a clean bill of mental health?  Seriously?  I see a whole lot of anti-Trump bias on your part.  Biden's past voting record speaks for itself and his obvious display that he's not playing with a full deck speaks even louder.


Oh, but you are so wrong.  All through his campaign rallies there was a cry for "lock her up".  But Inauguration day what does he do?  He honors Hillary's presence at the Inauguration lunch.  He was merely showing that he literally could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it.  Because honoring Hillary is practically as bad.  Being that he spend much of his campaign railing about how she was going to be arrested.  He does what he wants.  He signs bloated debt bills and people like you who used to be Conservative keep their mouths shut. 

Trump invites all the negative attention he gets.  He eggs it on, just like the Scarborough conspiracy theory.  He needed to start something so his lemmings could come to the rescue, and he would feel good.  Doesn't matter what he does.  Always Trumpist to the rescue.

Someone today suggested that he appoints Conservatives.  Sure aren't the kind of Conservatives I have known.  I remember when people realized that the gay agenda had a goal to make God irrelevant.  Kind of like Trumps new knight in shining armor that claims he's a better Christian because God made him gay.  Now we have "Conservative" Supreme Court Justices approving of sex change on the taxpayers in prison.  Imagine that.  Just commit a crime and you can get your sex change for free!

Trump and his Benny Hinn televangelist phonies are far from Conservative.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: libertybele on May 30, 2020, 11:12:51 pm
Oh, but you are so wrong.  All through his campaign rallies there was a cry for "lock her up".  But Inauguration day what does he do?  He honors Hillary's presence at the Inauguration lunch.  He was merely showing that he literally could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it.  Because honoring Hillary is practically as bad.  Being that he spend much of his campaign railing about how she was going to be arrested.  He does what he wants.  He signs bloated debt bills and people like you who used to be Conservative keep their mouths shut. 

Trump invites all the negative attention he gets.  He eggs it on, just like the Scarborough conspiracy theory.  He needed to start something so his lemmings could come to the rescue, and he would feel good.  Doesn't matter what he does.  Always Trumpist to the rescue.

Someone today suggested that he appoints Conservatives.  Sure aren't the kind of Conservatives I have known.  I remember when people realized that the gay agenda had a goal to make God irrelevant.  Kind of like Trumps new knight in shining armor that claims he's a better Christian because God made him gay.  Now we have "Conservative" Supreme Court Justices approving of sex change on the taxpayers in prison.  Imagine that.  Just commit a crime and you can get your sex change for free!

Trump and his Benny Hinn televangelist phonies are far from Conservative.

Oh, but I am so right and I am definitely done with your crap @Chosen Daughter your comment "and people like you who used to be Conservative keep their mouths shut"... is absolutely insulting and a blatant judgemental out and out LIE!!!

You claim to be a conservative?  Yet you said you'd rather see socialism!  Your continuous spewing of liberal talking points is tiresome.  :seeya:
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 11:29:53 pm
And here is a great example of Trump egging on a fight.


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
10h


....good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! On the bad side, the D.C. Mayor,
@MurielBowser
, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the D.C. Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!

And so you click on Murial Bowser twitter link only to find that Secret Service statement is that Metropolitan police Department and US Park Police were on the scene.

https://twitter.com/councilofdc/status/1266794227360464896

Same crap, different day.  Have to insight controversy and political fights even when there is nothing there.  Just made up Trump fake news.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 30, 2020, 11:34:09 pm
Oh, but I am so right and I am definitely done with your crap @Chosen Daughter your comment "and people like you who used to be Conservative keep their mouths shut"... is absolutely insulting and a blatant judgemental out and out LIE!!!

You claim to be a conservative?  Yet you said you'd rather see socialism!  Your continuous spewing of liberal talking points is tiresome.  :seeya:

Yeah, I can't decide.  Is Fascism better than socialism.  What a choice.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: skeeter on May 30, 2020, 11:34:44 pm
Oh, but I am so right and I am definitely done with your crap @Chosen Daughter your comment "and people like you who used to be Conservative keep their mouths shut"... is absolutely insulting and a blatant judgemental out and out LIE!!!

You claim to be a conservative?  Yet you said you'd rather see socialism!  Your continuous spewing of liberal talking points is tiresome.  :seeya:

You have had more patience with the yapping chihuahua than I have.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: libertybele on May 30, 2020, 11:37:09 pm
You have had more patience with the yapping chihuahua than I have.

 :rolling:  Indeed.  Enough is enough!
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 11:43:22 pm

Fixed it for you @Absalom ...now its NOT a self serving lie.
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RIV, merely an observation, not a criticism.
You're dealing w/devotees obsessed over Trump who in their eyes can do no right.
His record and reality doesn't rule their judgement, rather it's his persona;
an assertive, fighter, and combative warrior for conservatism:
* who has appointed countless strongly conservative justices; yet they're disdainful,
* who rightly enunciates his many world changing achievements; yet they're unimpressed
* who rattles and confounds his enemies while knowing himself; but they're oblivious.
It's little more than a Cult of Hatred and Self Destruction on stage daily.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 11:44:52 pm
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Hoodat, I labeled no one.
As you know, our words label us.

The irony is strong with this one.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 30, 2020, 11:45:58 pm
And here is a great example of Trump egging on a fight.


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
10h


....good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! On the bad side, the D.C. Mayor,
@MurielBowser
, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the D.C. Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!

And so you click on Murial Bowser twitter link only to find that Secret Service statement is that Metropolitan police Department and US Park Police were on the scene.

https://twitter.com/councilofdc/status/1266794227360464896

Same crap, different day.  Have to insight controversy and political fights even when there is nothing there.  Just made up Trump fake news.

If you don't like Trump's tweets, then don't read his tweets.  They aren't meant for you.  Their only purpose is to keep the opposition off balance.  (On second thought, they are meant for you).
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 30, 2020, 11:48:56 pm
And here is a great example of Trump egging on a fight.


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
10h


....good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! On the bad side, the D.C. Mayor,
@MurielBowser
, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the D.C. Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!

And so you click on Murial Bowser twitter link only to find that Secret Service statement is that Metropolitan police Department and US Park Police were on the scene.

https://twitter.com/councilofdc/status/1266794227360464896

Same crap, different day.  Have to insight controversy and political fights even when there is nothing there.  Just made up Trump fake news.

Oh...they were there. Did nothing, but they were there...which is far worse. As the President said, "they did nothing". And THAT, clearly, is the undertone of the Secret Service's tweet...damning with faint praise. That you would cite that as SUPPORTING your argument is humorous, as it clearly supports what the President is saying about the DC police being useless during this event.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 31, 2020, 12:30:34 am
You have had more patience with the yapping chihuahua than I have.

I don't like yapping dogs.  I like big strong dogs that don't yap on twitter all day.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Absalom on May 31, 2020, 12:53:36 am
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As I said previously, what we say labels us to others.
Asserting that Trump is a Conservative, labels you.
Incidentally, plagiarism is the aptitude level of the brain dead.
At his core, Trump is a deceitful draft-dodger, a bankrupt 4X and divorced 3x.
As such, the morons and sleaze bags he has nominated, is hardly a surprise,
as one has to have character himself, before one can recognize it in others.
Trump's model of character is the likes of Xi Jinping!
 
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Mesaclone on May 31, 2020, 01:44:30 am
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As I said previously, what we say labels us to others.
Asserting that Trump is a Conservative, labels you.
Incidentally, plagiarism is the aptitude level of the brain dead.
At his core, Trump is a deceitful draft-dodger, a bankrupt 4X and divorced 3x.
As such, the morons and sleaze bags he has nominated, is hardly a surprise,
as one has to have character himself, before one can recognize it in others.
Trump's model of character is the likes of Xi Jinping!

Clearly, you don’t know what the definition of plagiarism actually is...or you’d know that altering another’s words while acknowledging the original comments were yours is not plagiarism. Had I copied it verbatim and claimed it as my own THAT would be plagiarism. As you apparently did NOT understand that definition...perhaps you should be less cavalier in calling others “brain dead”.

As for your other insults aimed at the President, they say a great deal about you...just not in the way you think they do.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: rangerrebew on May 31, 2020, 01:34:54 pm
The commiecrats are demonstrating perfect Cloward/Piven strategy! ****slapping
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 31, 2020, 04:18:08 pm
I don't like yapping dogs.  I like big strong dogs that don't yap on twitter all day.

You completely miss the point, yet again ...  :silly:
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 31, 2020, 04:27:49 pm
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As I said previously, what we say labels us to others.
Asserting that Trump is a Conservative, labels you.
Incidentally, plagiarism is the aptitude level of the brain dead.
At his core, Trump is a deceitful draft-dodger, a bankrupt 4X and divorced 3x.
As such, the morons and sleaze bags he has nominated, is hardly a surprise,
as one has to have character himself, before one can recognize it in others.
Trump's model of character is the likes of Xi Jinping!

I still can't decide if you had your heart broken by a rich, educated, funny, handsome man who didn't call after that dinner you thought was a date..... or you've been upset your whole life because you're still the schmoe who carries his luggage. 

But I will ... so keep posting the clues.  :pop41:
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Hoodat on May 31, 2020, 04:33:30 pm
Riots didn't help Hubert Humphrey in 1968.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: libertybele on May 31, 2020, 05:07:14 pm
Riots didn't help Hubert Humphrey in 1968.

Trump may be fighting on all fronts, but he is also winning on a lot of fronts!  Thankful that Trump is a leader with a whole lot of backbone.
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 31, 2020, 08:41:55 pm
You completely miss the point, yet again ...  :silly:

I didn't miss the point.  Someone wanted to compare me to the ugly little yapping chihuahua.  (can't stand them).

Complaining that I yap.  But most of them love the yapping of the Miniature Schnauzer that runs the country.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Miniature+Schnauzer+barking&&view=detail&mid=66D6AEB275678187533A66D6AEB275678187533A&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMiniature%2520Schnauzer%2520barking%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26sp%3D-1%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dminiature%2520schnauzer%2520barking%26sc%3D4-27%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D29B0D2E384AC4F03830D7534BB63FE59 (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Miniature+Schnauzer+barking&&view=detail&mid=66D6AEB275678187533A66D6AEB275678187533A&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMiniature%2520Schnauzer%2520barking%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26sp%3D-1%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dminiature%2520schnauzer%2520barking%26sc%3D4-27%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D29B0D2E384AC4F03830D7534BB63FE59)

Yep all that twitter barking.

This is what I think of the comment.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Miniature+Schnauzer+pee%27s+when+excited&&view=detail&mid=74634F00A2D24E86EBFD74634F00A2D24E86EBFD&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMiniature%2520Schnauzer%2520pee's%2520when%2520excited%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D-1%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dminiature%2520schnauzer%2520pee's%2520when%2520excited%26sc%3D0-38%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D8DFB1B357082420D9A873E3AC149C21C (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Miniature+Schnauzer+pee%27s+when+excited&&view=detail&mid=74634F00A2D24E86EBFD74634F00A2D24E86EBFD&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DMiniature%2520Schnauzer%2520pee's%2520when%2520excited%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D-1%26ghc%3D1%26pq%3Dminiature%2520schnauzer%2520pee's%2520when%2520excited%26sc%3D0-38%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D8DFB1B357082420D9A873E3AC149C21C)
Title: Re: Crises everywhere: Trump fighting on all fronts before election
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 31, 2020, 08:54:22 pm
I didn't miss the point.   

You've now missed it twice.