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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Right_in_Virginia on October 08, 2018, 12:53:07 pm
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Tropical Storm Michael prompts hurricane watches in Florida as it picks up strength
Fox News, Oct 8, 2018, Greg Norman
Hurricane watches are now in effect in numerous counties along the Florida Panhandle as Tropical Storm Michael continues to strengthen ahead of an anticipated landfall as a Category 2 hurricane later this week.
The storm, which has maximum sustained winds of 70 mph, was about 90 miles east of Cozumel, Mexico early Monday morning and is dumping rain on Cuba, the National Hurricane Center said.
“Michael is forecast to be a hurricane, and possibly a major hurricane, when it reaches the northeastern Gulf Coast by mid-week, and storm surge and hurricane watches are now in effect for portions of the area,†the Center said in an advisory.
“Some areas along the Florida Gulf Coast are especially vulnerable to storm surge, regardless of the storm’s exact track or intensity,†it added.
Forecasters said towns and cities in Southwest Florida will begin experiencing tropical storm-force winds as early as Tuesday morning. By Tuesday night, those winds are expected to be felt along the entire Gulf of Mexico coastline up to Louisiana.
More: https://www.foxnews.com/us/tropical-storm-michael-prompts-hurricane-watches-in-florida-as-it-picks-up-strength (https://www.foxnews.com/us/tropical-storm-michael-prompts-hurricane-watches-in-florida-as-it-picks-up-strength)
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The weather whores are once again inflating the seriousness of the storm to gin up ratings. A tweeker on CNN says this will be a high cat 3 when it hits Panama City.
This turkey will be lucky to get to a Cat one.
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The media's slipping. I wasn't even aware there was a storm. :shrug:
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@CatherineofAragon
This is going to a part of Virginia. Is this the part in which you live?
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My sympathies to SC and NC for the rain it appears they're going to get. My friend near Wilmington said they got at least 15 inches when Florence came through.
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Rick Scott suspends Senate campaign as Florida prepares for Hurricane Michael
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rick-scott-suspends-senate-campaign-as-florida-prepares-for-hurricane-michael (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rick-scott-suspends-senate-campaign-as-florida-prepares-for-hurricane-michael)
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The media's slipping. I wasn't even aware there was a storm. :shrug:
They down't care about the people in the Panhandle or LA (Lower Alabama). We are just bitter clingers, the common clay of the redneck south, you know, Trump voting morons.
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@CatherineofAragon
This is going to a part of Virginia. Is this the part in which you live?
@Victoria33
Oh my God, NOT AGAIN. It’s been hot and humid all month, no sign of fall, and I don’t want tropical ANYTHING. I’m at the end of my rope with this weather.
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@CatherineofAragon
This is going to a part of Virginia. Is this the part in which you live?
@Victoria33
To answer your question, we’re in central VA. I’m going to wait and see what our local weather guys have to say. They’re usually more accurate.
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@Victoria33
Oh my God, NOT AGAIN. It’s been hot and humid all month, no sign of fall, and I don’t want tropical ANYTHING. I’m at the end of my rope with this weather.
I totally empathize. Mid to high 80's and high humidity. Blech!
But, 50's coming in tomorrow night with highs in the mid 70's. That should feel good.
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Oh boy. I’m thinking for all those in Florida.
@CatherineofAragon
I’m thinking of you too. Let’s hope Michael fizzles out before it hits land.
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Be nice if it could just go and hang around the Havana area for a bit.
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The media have probably got naratives, to characterize the damage as worst, for women, children and People of color.
President Trump has already secretly signaled the rich white priviledged, to leave the area.
Anyprobelsm, damage, losses will be blamed on that bad, rich uncaring Trump.
The storm itself will be blamed on "gloobull climate change" caused by oil companies, owned by rich white men.
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I totally empathize. Mid to high 80's and high humidity. Blech!
But, 50's coming in tomorrow night with highs in the mid 70's. That should feel good.
@Sanguine
That’s REALLY good news. Maybe hope is in sight for all of us. I think this has been our hottest October to date.
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Oh boy. I’m thinking for all those in Florida.
@CatherineofAragon
I’m thinking of you too. Let’s hope Michael fizzles out before it hits land.
@Freya
Thank you, sweetie. Absolutely, just leave us all alone.
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Oh nice. This will keep our mosquitoes happy.
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Hurricane Michael update: Forecast to become a major Cat-3 hurricane nearing Florida
ABC News, Oct 8, 2018
A tropical weather system that rapidly strengthened into Hurricane Michael on Monday is likely to keep growing stronger ahead of an expected strike on Florida's Panhandle by midweek, forecasters said.
Michael could strengthen into a major hurricane with winds topping 111 mph (178 kph) by Tuesday night before an expected strike Wednesday on the Panhandle or Big Bend, according to the National Hurricane Center.
Since the storm will spend two to three days over the Gulf of Mexico, which has very warm water temperatures and favorable atmospheric conditions, "there is a real possibility that Michael will strengthen to a major hurricane before landfall," Robbie Berg, a hurricane specialist at the Miami-based storm forecasting hub, wrote in an advisory.
More: https://abc7ny.com/weather/michael-strengthens-into-a-hurricane-menaces-florida/4436563/
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October 1 is always a big day for us in Texas. Interesting fact is that in 160 years of recorded history a Cat 3 or greater storm has never hit the state. Enough fronts and troughs bring the storms north and east in the gulf.
One thing I did read, but folks there please do not get your guard down, is that there is some dry air intermingling in the expected path which might curtail intensity forecasts. In any case, plan for the worst.
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October 1 is always a big day for us in Texas. Interesting fact is that in 160 years of recorded history a Cat 3 or greater storm has never hit the state. Enough fronts and troughs bring the storms north and east in the gulf.
One thing I did read, but folks there please do not get your guard down, is that there is some dry air intermingling in the expected path which might curtail intensity forecasts. In any case, plan for the worst.
Do you mean after October 1st?
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Do you mean after October 1st?
Correct...I meant October 1st is a big day for Texans. (whew its over factor)
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The weather whores are once again inflating the seriousness of the storm to gin up ratings. A tweeker on CNN says this will be a high cat 3 when it hits Panama City.
This turkey will be lucky to get to a Cat one.
It’s a Cat 3, now. Then again, Florence reached Cat 4, fizzled as it made landfall, but moved slowly and dumped a lot of rain. Slow moving, low intensity storms can’t be dismissed. See Agnes and Harvey.
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The weather whores are once again inflating the seriousness of the storm to gin up ratings. A tweeker on CNN says this will be a high cat 3 when it hits Panama City.
This turkey will be lucky to get to a Cat one.
Be careful over there. This looks more like a Charlie than a Flo.
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It’s a Cat 3, now. Then again, Florence reached Cat 4, fizzled as it made landfall, but moved slowly and dumped a lot of rain. Slow moving, low intensity storms can’t be dismissed. See Agnes and Harvey.
It was expected Flo was going to drop to a 1 or 2 a couple days out. I think it will be a "pleasant" surprise if this is less than a 2.
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There's definitely a decent storm out in the Gulf. Tides are running about 18" higher than normal at the north end of Tampa Bay. Most of my neighbors' docks are under water.
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There's definitely a decent storm out in the Gulf. Tides are running about 18" higher than normal at the north end of Tampa Bay. Most of my neighbors' docks are under water.
Shit happens. By morning I will be dealing with it! :)
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Shit happens. By morning I will be dealing with it! :)
Hopefully by evening, you're not. yogi555
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Michael is firing off some huge thunderstorms near the center. Taller than Florence at her peak. Maybe some dry air will entrain from the west and keep it from organizing any further.
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Live Thread
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Michael is firing off some huge thunderstorms near the center. Taller than Florence at her peak. Maybe some dry air will entrain from the west and keep it from organizing any further.
Yesterday there seemed a good chance, now the only hope is that large tongue of dry air from central Louisiana through Northern Mexico (see below water vapor visible imagery) can accelerate and intermix with the storm. From the satellite loop it looks like a race.
OTOH, and what I think will more likely happen, as often in these cases with troughs, you will see an abrupt turn of the storm to the NE, and then E. The official NHC track kind of reflects this, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the turn earlier, and more abrupt. Model data is very consistent a tightly bound in destination.
(https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES16/ABI/SECTOR/gm/09/20182830142_GOES16-ABI-gm-09-250x250.jpg)
More radar loops....
https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector.php?sat=G16§or=gm (https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector.php?sat=G16§or=gm)
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Changed title to "Live Thread."
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The eyewall is coming into view from the land-based radars. It looks pretty solid. Some folks in the panhandle and south GA are going to have a mess to clean up. At least the heat is waning.
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The eyewall is coming into view from the land-based radars. It looks pretty solid. Some folks in the panhandle and south GA are going to have a mess to clean up. At least the heat is waning.
Yikes!!! 4 a.m. advisory has storm is now at 140 mph (Medium Cat 4) , with some strengthening expected. Hopefully all have gotten out of harms way.
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Category 4 overnight, has potential to take some folks by surprise...
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Temp Weather Channel stream...
https://vaughnlive.tv/julian_
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On CNN this morning they are reporting that "The Time to Evacuate is Over"
Hunker down!
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Prayers for everyone in Michael's path -- Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, Virginia and everywhere else Michael decides to go.
Looks like it will miss PA altogether , so where I live in the western section of PA won't get the remnants as we did with Florence. Thank God. We've had more than twice the average rainfall for the year. Could use a drought about now.
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AccuWeather Verified account @breakingweather
5m5 minutes ago
#Michael continues to gain strength. The storm's maximum sustained winds are now 145 mph and it is currently 90 mi sw of Panama City. Live updates: http://ow.ly/s02Z30maOVM (http://ow.ly/s02Z30maOVM)
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Rick Scott Verified account @FLGovScott
17m17 minutes ago
Just spoke with @POTUS to give him an update on Hurricane Michael. He offered any federal resources necessary as we prepare to respond to this massive and catastrophic storm.
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Prayers up for all in the path.
Been through Irene and Sandy. I don’t wish this on anyone,
Radio is saying to buy stuff today expecting a lot of rain tomorrow.
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Category 4 overnight, has potential to take some folks by surprise...
Temp Weather Channel stream...
https://vaughnlive.tv/julian_
Thanks for this link.
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@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
Catherine, Where are you today? What is coming to you based on your weather guys/women?
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Weather report is saying a couple inches of rain over the entire day tomorrow with the usual places flooded out. Nothing major just rain all day nothing sinister I don’t think.. Good for the garden.
Still going to the supermarket. I’m low on cream for coffee and coffee.
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@The Ghost is in the direct path..keep him and his wife in your prayers
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@The Ghost is in the direct path..keep him and his wife in your prayers
I will. Thanks @mystery-ak
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@The Ghost is in the direct path..keep him and his wife in your prayers
Yes, will do. @The Ghost, let us know how you are when you can.
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They just bumped the max sustained winds to 150 mph. The forward speed has increased slightly. Eastern Bay County and Gulf County are due to suffer a direct hit in a couple of hours. Panama City will probably experience the western side of the eye wall.
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They just bumped the max sustained winds to 150 mph. The forward speed has increased slightly. Eastern Bay County and Gulf County are due to suffer a direct hit in a couple of hours. Panama City will probably experience the western side of the eye wall.
Solid cat 4 and strengthening, horrible for those in the NE quad. This is going to be a very bad
storm. The shape of the coast line gives the surge no place to go but inland.
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Yes, will do. @The Ghost, let us know how you are when you can.
If it is a 150 mph storm with 15 mph forward speed (storm surge accelerant) , hopefully he has already made it to Alabama or Georgia. We are talking stronger than either Katrina or Rita at landfall.
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Just saw some video from Panama City - it's hitting hard!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1050049977744003072
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Just saw some video from Panama City - it's hitting hard!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1050049977744003072
No one should be that near the coast with a near Cat 5 storm approaching. With winds like these, things like barges, and other large debris can do some serious catastrophic damage to what might appear to be sound structures.
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The weather whores are once again inflating the seriousness of the storm to gin up ratings. A tweeker on CNN says this will be a high cat 3 when it hits Panama City.
This turkey will be lucky to get to a Cat one.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why you don't get info from or make decisions based on commentaries from those who simply do not know what will happen. As a hurricane veteran of over 7 decades, I know too well that hurricanes often don't pan out as you might think. I've gotten by relatively unscathed by hurricanes that appeared to be killers and taken terrible and dangerous hits by those that looked fairly innocuous as they were approaching. I don't take ANY hurricane lightly ... EVER.
Edited to add: I don't take tropical storms lightly either. Even tropical depressions can be devastating. Speaking from experience.
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@The Ghost is in the direct path..keep him and his wife in your prayers
Will do. Do you know if they evacuated?
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Edited to add: I don't take tropical storms lightly either. Even tropical depressions can be devastating. Speaking from experience.
Same here... thought I saw it all until Humberto in '07. From tropical wave to landfalling Cat 1 storm in 18 hours.
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Geez, the eye wall rivals that of Andrew, quite rare at this latitude. And it wobbled right over Panama City. These people are going to need a lot of help.
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Will do. Do you know if they evacuated?
No..last I talked to him he was staying...he said he was prepared..
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It made landfall with sustained winds of 155mph just to the west of Mexico Beach.
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• Up to 14 feet of storm surge is expected in Apalachicola, likely this afternoon, near the peak of the storm. About 50% of residents there didn’t evacuate, Apalachicola Police Chief Bobby Varnes estimated. “If they need help, they can give a call, but it’s probably too dangerous. … There’s no ambulance service, no medical, so they’re pretty much going to be on their own until it lets up.â€
https://fox2now.com/2018/10/10/hurricane-michael-makes-landfall-near-mexico-beach-florida/ (https://fox2now.com/2018/10/10/hurricane-michael-makes-landfall-near-mexico-beach-florida/)
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No..last I talked to him he was staying...he said he was prepared..
Afraid there is not much preparation you can do for a near Cat 5 storm. (if the winds coming ashore were 155 mph).
Hopefully, he decided to evacuate.
I rode out Rita with 125 mph winds. Never again my friend.
Category 4
(major) 130-156 mph
113-136 kt
209-251 km/h Catastrophic damage will occur: Well-built framed homes can sustain severe damage with loss of most of the roof structure and/or some exterior walls. Most trees will be snapped or uprooted and power poles downed. Fallen trees and power poles will isolate residential areas. Power outages will last weeks to possibly months. Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.
Category 5
(major) 157 mph or higher
137 kt or higher
252 km/h or higher Catastrophic damage will occur: A high percentage of framed homes will be destroyed, with total roof failure and wall collapse. Fallen trees and power poles will isolate residential areas. Power outages will last for weeks to possibly months. Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.
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Michael's minimum central pressure — a key measure of hurricane strength — was measured at 919 millibars when it made landfall. That makes Michael the third strongest hurricane to ever hit the US, and the strongest in 50 years.
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Michael's minimum central pressure — a key measure of hurricane strength — was measured at 919 millibars when it made landfall. That makes Michael the third strongest hurricane to ever hit the US, and the strongest in 50 years.
'35 Labor Day and Camille. Those are legendary Hurricanes.
Lower pressure than Andrew , Hugo, Katrina, wow...just wow.
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Sandy was bad. I’m praying for everyone.
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Florida Gov. Rick Scott said he is “scared to death†for residents who didn't evacuate.
“Our biggest concern is … the people that chose not to evacuate,†he told CNN Wednesday.
“I spent time the last few days going up and down the coast getting people to evacuate but this is a horrible, horrible storm – 150-plus mph (winds), at least 12 inches of rain. But the thing I think people don’t realize is the storm surge. Whether it’s six feet or 14 feet, it’s all deadly. And I’m very concerned that people are not taking that into consideration,†Scott added.
Rescue teams manned by more than 1,000 people were prepared to help once the storm passes, along with members of the National Guard and US Coast Guard, he said.
“But I am scared to death for people that chose not to evacuate,†the governor said, mentioning 50 residents who refused to evacuate one of the barrier islands in Franklin County.
“I worry about them every second and I hope there’re no children there who didn’t have the choice on their own to make these decisions,†Scott said. “I’m just praying for them and, as soon as this passes, we will be out there doing everything we can to rescue everybody … We will take care of each other.â€
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/tropical-storm-hurricane-michael-florida/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/tropical-storm-hurricane-michael-florida/index.html)
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This guy's updates are pretty good. https://twitter.com/RyanMaue
Ryan Maue | weathermodels.com Verified account @RyanMaue
52m52 minutes ago
Eye of #HurricaneMichael heading into Calhoun County, Florida.
The eyewall will be encompassing 50-miles of Interstate 10 ... winds from the east will align with the road direction. I'd recommend against driving a high profile vehicle unless it has wings.
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Ginger Zee
â€Verified account @Ginger_Zee
Damage now from the back side of our condo building in Mexico Beach. #Michael
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FWIW -- this was on my MSN news feed -- map showing Michael's trajectory, plus 3 other storms -- 2 in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/severeweather/hurricanes?hurricane=2018-michael&ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/severeweather/hurricanes?hurricane=2018-michael&ocid=spartandhp)
Who said hurricane season is over? Not quite.
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Holy crap! Mexico Beach, FL
https://twitter.com/WFLAJosh/status/1050098823194963968
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To the folks in the panhandle who are posting videos and expressing such amazement at the storm's intensity: they told you not to stay there!
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Kind of jumping around, but the tropical downpours have reached the flood zones in the Carolinas. A really stubborn band has been parked over us for most of the afternoon ... much more on the way. I don't recall another year when the summer lasted into mid October. The mosquitoes are big enough to carry you away.
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Well, at least I don't see some poor reporter hanging on for dear life just to show us how bad the hurricane is.
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@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
Catherine, Where are you today? What is coming to you based on your weather guys/women?
@Victoria33
I'm doing laundry and things around here. Think we'll go out tonight. We're supposed to get a couple of inches of rain, like @Freya. Or we were...since it'll be a Cat 5 when it strikes, they upgraded the wind. Might be more rain now.
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To the folks in the panhandle who are posting videos and expressing such amazement at the storm's intensity: they told you not to stay there!
Charlie is still fresh in the minds of many Floridians. They remember how the government kept them from going back to their homes while looters moved freely about their neighborhoods like locusts.
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Well, at least I don't see some poor reporter hanging on for dear life just to show us how bad the hurricane is.
They went inside once the serious stuff arrived. Time mag had a live YouTube from a Holiday Inn Express in Panama City that was incredible. The front of the building overhang came crashing down on top of a lot of cars, along with other assorted damage. The billboard and base next to the Waffle House crashed right over into the building. Wild stuff.
Here is the vid... If you scroll back in time you'll see quite an exhibition of nature's fury. Prayers for all that are dealing with it first hand.
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Charlie is still fresh in the minds of many Floridians. They remember how the government kept them from going back to their homes while looters moved freely about their neighborhoods like locusts.
I kind of doubt Charlie had much of an effect on this one. It's a LONG way from Charlotte Harbor to Panama City.
I suspect that what contributed most is the media's need to play up almost every storm as "historic".
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I suspect that what contributed most is the media's need to play up almost every storm as "historic".
And yet here it is...
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I kind of doubt Charlie had much of an effect on this one. It's a LONG way from Charlotte Harbor to Panama City.
I suspect that what contributed most is the media's need to play up almost every storm as "historic".
When the national guard starts shooting looters when I might leave, until then I'm staying.
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When the national guard starts shooting looters when I might leave, until then I'm staying.
...and that was the point I was making. When government decides to prohibit people from returning to their homes, they are, in effect, shielding looters from people who would shoot them dead.
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Kitty praying for all those in hurricane Michael’s path.
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Kitty praying for all those in hurricane Michael’s path.
I love that kitten, so I swiped him.
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Bay Medical Sacred Heart, a hospital just a stone’s throw from the bays at Panama City, reported Wednesday that it had sustained serious damage during the storm: Blown-out windows, a cracked exterior wall and damage to its roof.
But the hospital also reported good news: Its patients were moved to safer areas in the hospital, which has 323 beds.
“Our generators are working and our patients have been migrated to safe areas of the hospital as we further assess the damage,†the hospital said in a statement posted on Facebook. “Our patients are continuing to receive medical care and lunch was served to all patients.â€
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/10/10/hurricane-michael-potentially-catastrophic-storm-begins-battering-florida/?utm_term=.68e2c7afbd47 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/10/10/hurricane-michael-potentially-catastrophic-storm-begins-battering-florida/?utm_term=.68e2c7afbd47)
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I love that kitten, so I swiped him.
No biggie, he’s a cutie pie. Can you blow him up for everyone?
@Cyber Liberty
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http://orlando-rising.com/more-than-190000-customers-without-power-after-hurricane-michael/ (http://orlando-rising.com/more-than-190000-customers-without-power-after-hurricane-michael/)
More than 190,000 homes and businesses lost power in the onslaught of Michael, with Bay County taking the brunt, according to the first power-outage release issued shortly before 5 p.m. by the Florida Division of Emergency Management.
In Bay County, where Michael came ashore, more than 95,000 of the 108,000 homes and businesses were without power at 4:35 p.m., according to the division. That means 88 percent of the power customers were without power.
In Bay, most of the lost electricity is provided through Gulf Power, though Duke Energy and local electricity cooperatives account for some.
In three other counties, Liberty, Gilchrist and Gadsden, more than half of the homes and businesses have gone dark, though none of those mostly-rural counties has more than 20,000 customers total.
Statewide, the 192,136 customers without power represents about 1.7 percent of the state’s homes and businesses.
About 265,933 customers in the state were without power as of Wednesday evening, according to PowerOutage.us. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/10/10/Hurricane-Michael-causes-destruction-flooding-in-Florida/6391539203940/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/10/10/Hurricane-Michael-causes-destruction-flooding-in-Florida/6391539203940/)
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No biggie, he’s a cutie pie. Can you blow him up for everyone?
@Cyber Liberty
@Freya
He blows up if you click the pic. Try it! I noticed the forum software now shrinks the attached pictures automatically, and when you click them they blow up to full size.
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@Freya
He blows up if you click the pic. Try it! I noticed the forum software now shrinks the attached pictures automatically, and when you click them they blow up to full size.
Ok. I had donut coffee, and posted it on my Instagram
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To the folks in the panhandle who are posting videos and expressing such amazement at the storm's intensity: they told you not to stay there!
There are a lot of reasons us natives, and other long-time residents, don't leave:
1. Those things can and will turn on a dime. You could be going in a direction you thought was going to be safe and all of a sudden find yourself directly in its path and where you were completely clear.
2. For people in south and central Florida anywhere you can go that is a place to reasonably believe you won't still have a hurricane screaming over the top of you is a 10+ hour drive. Yes, our state is that long. You would have to leave at least 2 days before the hurricane is forecast to hit, and as I pointed out above, hurricanes can make a lot of corrections in course in that amount of time.
3. For decades the local news stations have been hyping up the impending death and destruction with very little actual death and destruction.
4. Like Cyber said, we don't want the gov't keeping us from our homes only to let criminals go shopping in them.
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USA Today is reporting first person died from hurricane Michael. A Florida Panhandle man was killed by a falling tree, sheriff’s official says.
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There are a lot of reasons us natives, and other long-time residents, don't leave:
1. Those things can and will turn on a dime. You could be going in a direction you thought was going to be safe and all of a sudden find yourself directly in its path and where you were completely clear.
2. For people in south and central Florida anywhere you can go that is a place to reasonably believe you won't still have a hurricane screaming over the top of you is a 10+ hour drive. Yes, our state is that long. You would have to leave at least 2 days before the hurricane is forecast to hit, and as I pointed out above, hurricanes can make a lot of corrections in course in that amount of time.
3. For decades the local news stations have been hyping up the impending death and destruction with very little actual death and destruction.
4. Like Cyber said, we don't want the gov't keeping us from our homes only to let criminals go shopping in them.
That's a 10 hour drive if traffic flows smoothly, which it most certainly does not in an evac. More like >24 hours of slow and go, passing gas stations that are out of gas. I wouldn't trade places with Floridians. Nothing happens here. No earthquakes, no hurricanes. The most I'll see at the Castle is high winds.
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There are a lot of reasons us natives, and other long-time residents, don't leave:
1. Those things can and will turn on a dime. You could be going in a direction you thought was going to be safe and all of a sudden find yourself directly in its path and where you were completely clear.
2. For people in south and central Florida anywhere you can go that is a place to reasonably believe you won't still have a hurricane screaming over the top of you is a 10+ hour drive. Yes, our state is that long. You would have to leave at least 2 days before the hurricane is forecast to hit, and as I pointed out above, hurricanes can make a lot of corrections in course in that amount of time.
3. For decades the local news stations have been hyping up the impending death and destruction with very little actual death and destruction.
4. Like Cyber said, we don't want the gov't keeping us from our homes only to let criminals go shopping in them.
5. Most of you can just put wheels on your houses if they blow away and tow them back to your property.
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That's a 10 hour drive if traffic flows smoothly, which it most certainly does not in an evac. More like >24 hours of slow and go, passing gas stations that are out of gas. I wouldn't trade places with Floridians. Nothing happens here. No earthquakes, no hurricanes. The most I'll see at the Castle is high winds.
FL LEO does an outstanding job keeping traffic flowing during evacs. Some gas stations are out of gas, most simply shut down to let their employees be safe (not a big deal, since anyone with even half a brain filled up their gas cans about a week before the storm just in case). If you can't get out of mainland FL in 10 hours, you done screwed up.
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That's a 10 hour drive if traffic flows smoothly, which it most certainly does not in an evac. More like >24 hours of slow and go, passing gas stations that are out of gas. I wouldn't trade places with Floridians. Nothing happens here. No earthquakes, no hurricanes. The most I'll see at the Castle is high winds.
McCain and Flake happen there. 'Nuff said.
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That's a 10 hour drive if traffic flows smoothly, which it most certainly does not in an evac. More like >24 hours of slow and go, passing gas stations that are out of gas. I wouldn't trade places with Floridians. Nothing happens here. No earthquakes, no hurricanes. The most I'll see at the Castle is high winds.
Yep, I evacuated out of an apartment away from Floyd, back around 2000, which was a monster Cat 4 at one point screaming towards the east coast. It was still a day out and the weather was already horrible and the roads were worse. Took double the time to get to the west coast. And then that bastard did us a solid and stayed off shore and went up to Cape Fear I think.
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FL LEO does an outstanding job keeping traffic flowing during evacs. Some gas stations are out of gas, most simply shut down to let their employees be safe (not a big deal, since anyone with even half a brain filled up their gas cans about a week before the storm just in case). If you can't get out of mainland FL in 10 hours, you done screwed up.
Nonsense, it's a 6+ hour trip from Miami to Kingsland, GA on a great day. Try making it to Savannah from Key West, which is another 3.5 hours south of Miami (again on a great day), in 10 hours. And Kingsland is the first little town just inside the Georgia border.
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5. Most of you can just put wheels on your houses if they blow away and tow them back to your property.
And some of them you can just drive, no need to even tow.
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And some of them you can just drive, no need to even tow.
Don't panic. DeSoto is on Kennedy right now telling me he is all over this hurricane shit. All is well.
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Nonsense, it's a 6+ hour trip from Miami to Kingsland, GA on a great day. Try making it to Savannah from Key West, which is another 3.5 hours south of Miami (again on a great day), in 10 hours. And Kingsland is the first little town just inside the Georgia border.
Notice I said mainland FL.
If you can't make it from Miami to Kingsland in 10 hours, you done f'ed up and waited too long.
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Notice I said mainland FL.
If you can't make it from Miami to Kingsland in 10 hours, you done f'ed up and waited too long.
Nonsense. During evac you can't even make it from the south side to the north side of Miami in an hour.
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Nonsense. During evac you can't even make it from the south side to the north side of Miami in an hour.
True, if you done f'ed up and waited too long.
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Nonsense. During evac you can't even make it from the south side to the north side of Miami in an hour.
I don't know about anyone else, but this bitch seems to know what she is talking about.
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True, if you done f'ed up and waited too long.
Great. You should turn your two week evac plans into a family vacation. Kill two birds with one stone.
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I have left shelter(evacuated?) only once due to a hurricane. It was Hurricane Edith in 71. I was planning to ride it out with my sister in a mobile home(with no tie downs) in Sulphur La. Just as the wind was really getting strong, my sister got a call telling her to ride it out at a friend's house. So I got talked into taking her. As we left the trailer park, the wind blew the power lines together and it was like the 4th of July as the wires exploded into a fireball of sparks. I got onto IH10 heading to Lake Charles. I was going about 10 mph. No visibility. Debris flying thru the air. Fortunately for us, the Hurricane made a hard right turn and the winds died down by the time we got to Lake Charles.
Since then I have sheltered in my home for all the hurricanes since. During Rita, my neighbor and I spent hours outside brandishing our shotguns as we saw what I assumed were looters casing the neighborhood. We had never seen them before. One day I did see a small pickup drive past with a wide screen tv in the back. My wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock on the TXDOT cameras. I was also plotting the path of the hurricane and seeing that it was gradually curving to the east of us. But on every newscast they would report that it was coming straight for us.
On hurricane Allen, one sister evacuated towards Dallas. After 8 hours they found a room in Corsicana. My other sister went to Austin. They ended up with worse weather there due to tornadoes.
I got to go out in the eye of Hurricane Alicia. That was kinda eerie, but it was nice to get outside with no wind or rain.
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Live in SWFL and there is only one major corridor out - I-75 north or to the south. That's pretty much it. East and West we have 'Alligator Alley' ... that's it. People have been stuck in traffic and have run out of gas. One really has to leave a couple of days ahead of time to battle the traffic and even at that roads are jammed.
We did not evacuate for Charley as the hurricane trackers and weathermen predicted that it was going to hit way north around Tampa and in the last half hour before it hit, we found out it was heading right for us. So ... very difficult to prepare. Evacuations weren't even ordered, we were told to stay put.
The hurricanes this year and last year were monsters. Irma encompassed the whole state. The I-75 corridor was a disaster and people ran out of gas, hotels were booked all the way up into the Carolina and surrounding states -- we escaped (or thought) to the east coast only to get hit worse over there. Luckily, we brought gas with us or we would have been stranded.
Fact -- you can't always make it out of FL in 10 hours. It all depends on the size of the hurricane and how fast its moving. They are unpredictable most of the time. Lately, the storms are so darn enormous and strong that it's pretty obvious where they are headed.
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I was hoping this one wouldn't be bad. Raining in NC. We were visiting family in LA, when Audrey hit. Dad decided to drive home. We drove through with telephone poles and pine trees flying overhead, power lines down on the road and the wind forcing rain into the car, every time we would seek shelter the roof would fly off the the building we were approaching. So we just kept driving. I have no wish to experience another hurricane!
Any word on the storm surge?
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Live in SWFL and there is only one major corridor out - I-75 north or to the south. That's pretty much it. East and West we have 'Alligator Alley' ... that's it. People have been stuck in traffic and have run out of gas. One really has to leave a couple of days ahead of time to battle the traffic and even at that roads are jammed.
We did not evacuate for Charley as the hurricane trackers and weathermen predicted that it was going to hit way north around Tampa and in the last half hour before it hit, we found out it was heading right for us. So ... very difficult to prepare. Evacuations weren't even ordered, we were told to stay put.
The hurricanes this year and last year were monsters. Irma encompassed the whole state. The I-75 corridor was a disaster and people ran out of gas, hotels were booked all the way up into the Carolina and surrounding states -- we escaped (or thought) to the east coast only to get hit worse over there. Luckily, we brought gas with us or we would have been stranded.
Fact -- you can't always make it out of FL in 10 hours. It all depends on the size of the hurricane and how fast its moving. They are unpredictable most of the time. Lately, the storms are so darn enormous and strong that it's pretty obvious where they are headed.
I got out of the way of Irma just fine. Took me an hour longer than normal to get to JAX, but no big deal. You can make it out of FL in 10 hours, easy, if you don't wait until the last minute. It's not like we only have a week or so to prepare.
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McCain and Flake happen there. 'Nuff said.
"Man-made disasters." Like a terrorist attack, but it hurts the whole country.
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I got out of the way of Irma just fine. Took me an hour longer than normal to get to JAX, but no big deal. You can make it out of FL in 10 hours, easy, if you don't wait until the last minute. It's not like we only have a week or so to prepare.
You had reservations at a place that you knew would be out of the way of Irma a week ahead of time? That's pretty damn impressive. What's more impressive is that you have enough time off of work to leave town for a week or more every time a hurricane comes through. Wait a minute, did you retire to Florida from up north?
Oh hey, Hurricane Leslie is out in the Atlantic. I hope you're packing up and hitting the road tomorrow to beat the evac crowd.
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And in Charlotte...
(https://preview.redd.it/2qjokmp5hdr11.jpg?width=576&s=70b71d6c18d0f2c612a438cd89c6eba83fa2a4c5)
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I got to go out in the eye of Hurricane Alicia. That was kinda eerie, but it was nice to get outside with no wind or rain.
When I was growing up, it was always a given that we were leaving. Mother's rule. And it sure saved our behinds in Carla. As I became an adult and was able to make my own choices, I stayed for a couple (not direct hits that I can remember) without any consequence. Alicia is when I began to change my mind. I wasn't planning to leave, but I did just to ease my frantic mother's mind. It was scary where we went (Waller) with all the big trees around us. Driving home was unsettling, making us wonder all the more what was waiting for us. When they brought me back to my place, I realized my decision to leave probably saved my life. The apartment where I lived was hit by a small twister, and all kinds of debris (roof, ceiling, framing) fell in my bedroom and on my bed. The people in the apartment office were so glad to see me. They told me about checking out my apartment and fearing the worst when they saw all the debris on my bed. They were scared they'd find my dog and me dead underneath all of it.
In Rita, I went to my cousin's in North Texas. Timing is everything. The trip that usually took 5 hours actually took almost 6, but I was still at her house in time to watch the nightmare unfolding on I-45. Had I waited 20 extra minutes, I would have been stuck in that mess.
Left in Ike. Went to my friend's in northwest Houston. Turned out her neighborhood was torn up worse than mine, but living right on the coast, I wasn't willing to take any chances. I had no trouble getting back in. Good friends in Galveston were completely devastated. Lost a former co-worker on Bolivar Peninsula.
Harvey. What a storm. I didn't leave because it was going to go in farther down the coast. Then it did a strange move due to all the unusual atmospheric conditions in play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmAMW4MqFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmAMW4MqFI) Actually, I was in a sweet spot as my house is on the highest part of the street. I was a little nervous about my trees and got them thinned out right after the storm. Had the rain been as bad here as it was in Dickinson or Nederland or most of Houston, I don't know if I would have fared as well.
The deal with hurricanes is that you never know. You can't know them. They're capricious. Far too many variables. This much I know. There's no possession in my house that's worth my life. If looters show up, they'll probably be disappointed. And I won't have the pleasure of planting some buckshot in their lawless asses. But I'll live another day, and that's what counts most to me. And my dog.
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http://i.imgur.com/RZKmRkG.mp4 (http://i.imgur.com/RZKmRkG.mp4)
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My nephew is stationed at Tyndall Air base and he evacuated home to my sister’s house. We have seen the devastation in Panama City, which is right across the bridge, so his family is worried about how their home on base has fared. The only news my nephew has gotten is to not return to base because there is significant damage. I’m just happy his family is safe with us.
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You had reservations at a place that you knew would be out of the way of Irma a week ahead of time? That's pretty damn impressive. What's more impressive is that you have enough time off of work to leave town for a week or more every time a hurricane comes through. Wait a minute, did you retire to Florida from up north?
Oh hey, Hurricane Leslie is out in the Atlantic. I hope you're packing up and hitting the road tomorrow to beat the evac crowd.
I filled up my gas cans and began making minor preparations about a week ahead of Irma. By the time it was clear the beach was heading my way, I was ready to go. I left Sat about noon, which was probably a few hours later than I should have. My "plan" was simply to get to around I-10 before "everyone else" so that I'd have options. Ended up visiting some friends in VA for a few days. Irma hit Mon, and I was home again Wed.
Didn't retire to FL, I was about dead broke when I got here. But yeah, since then I've put myself in a position where I can get away if I need to, anything else would be grossly irresponsible.
Not real worried about Leslie. I mean, if she wasn't a couple thousand miles away and wasn't heading in the opposite direction, sure, maybe I'd consider topping off the gas cans before the weekend.
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Nadine may be a different matter....
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Well shit. This was an interesting day. Don't want to do this again any time soon!.
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Well shit. This was an interesting day. Don't want to do this again any time soon!.
Glad you made it through.
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Glad you made it through.
:beer: Just got power back. A/C rules.
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:beer: Just got power back. A/C rules.
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Dodged a damn bullet. Glad I was on the west side of the land fall.
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:beer: Just got power back. A/C rules.
Why didn't you just open the windows? I read that there was a pretty good breeze going down there.
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Why didn't you just open the windows? I read that there was a pretty good breeze going down there.
Okay. Now that was funny. Not 6 hours ago but now it is funny!.
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:beer: Just got power back. A/C rules.
Yeah, that no A/C thing turns me into a supermegabitch real quick.
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Dodged a damn bullet. Glad I was on the west side of the land fall.
Yeah, I saw that. East of the eye was a disaster. I figured you got a bunch of wind and rain, but no 155 MPH winds and buildings flying past. Miss slippy was telling me about a train that got blown off the track.
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Yeah, that no A/C thing turns me into a supermegabitch real quick.
So, you are saying hurricane or no hurricane you pretty much are ..... well you know! wink777
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So, you are saying hurricane or no hurricane you pretty much are ..... well you know! wink777
Hot? Yes. Yes I am.
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Yeah, I saw that. East of the eye was a disaster. I figured you got a bunch of wind and rain, but no 155 MPH winds and buildings flying past. Miss slippy was telling me about a train that got blown off the track.
I go to bed last night and it is a Cat 2. Wake up it is a damn 4 and probably will be revised to a Cat 5. WTF is that?
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Well I'm getting nervous about Michael now. They are calling for it to be overcast with a chance of drizzle Friday morning when it gets to us. I was planning on taking the convertible to work that day.
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@The Ghost, glad you're OK. I was worried.
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I saw aerial footage of Tyndall AFB this morning and it reminded me of what Homestead looked like after Hurricane Andrew.
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My nephew is stationed at Tyndall Air base and he evacuated home to my sister’s house. We have seen the devastation in Panama City, which is right across the bridge, so his family is worried about how their home on base has fared. The only news my nephew has gotten is to not return to base because there is significant damage. I’m just happy his family is safe with us.
I wonder how much beach PCB will loose this time? IIRC they lost almost 300 feet of beach in 1995 when Hurricane Opal hit.
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Dramatic drone video shows extensive damage to a school in Florida's Panama City, giving a sense of Hurricane Michael's ferocity. The video shows collapsed roofing and walls, scattered debris and mangled building materials.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurricane-michael-drone-video-panama-city-florida-school-decimated-2018-10-11/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurricane-michael-drone-video-panama-city-florida-school-decimated-2018-10-11/)
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Mexico Beach, FL: Before and after it was torn apart
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/10/11/myers-mexico-beach-hurricane-michael-reaction-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/hurricane-michael/ (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/10/11/myers-mexico-beach-hurricane-michael-reaction-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/hurricane-michael/)
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I wonder how much beach PCB will loose this time? IIRC they lost almost 300 feet of beach in 1995 when Hurricane Opal hit.
Doesn't matter. The Army Corps of Engineers considers storms to be "unforeseen events" so they don't count when they measure success/failure/lifespan of beach replenishment projects. Funnel some more tax money in..it's okay, they last FOREVER!!
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Mexico Beach, FL: Before and after it was torn apart
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/10/11/myers-mexico-beach-hurricane-michael-reaction-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/hurricane-michael/ (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/10/11/myers-mexico-beach-hurricane-michael-reaction-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/hurricane-michael/)
I couldn't get it to play (probably my computer), but the images I've seen are so heartbreaking and tragic.
I know that these people truly feel the pain of those devastated by Michael and understand how much work is ahead of them to get to their new normal:
https://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/ike/photo-comparisons/images/Ike_PhotoPair_crystal_bch_TX_Loc2LG.jpg (https://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/ike/photo-comparisons/images/Ike_PhotoPair_crystal_bch_TX_Loc2LG.jpg)
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I couldn't get it to play (probably my computer), but the images I've seen are so heartbreaking and tragic.
I know that these people truly feel the pain of those devastated by Michael and understand how much work is ahead of them to get to their
I sure hope no one rode out the storm in some of those locations.
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Drone footage shows Hurricane Michael ravaged Florida town where it made landfall
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/drone-footage-shows-decimated-michael-ravaged-mexico-beach-florida-n919061 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/drone-footage-shows-decimated-michael-ravaged-mexico-beach-florida-n919061)
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I saw aerial footage of Tyndall AFB this morning and it reminded me of what Homestead looked like after Hurricane Andrew.
The eye went right over tyndall. I was watching a sat view and the AFB was a all you could see of the coastline till it raced up and flattened Marriana on I-10
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The eye went right over tyndall. I was watching a sat view and the AFB was a all you could see of the coastline till it raced up and flattened Marriana on I-10
Wow. I'm glad you're ok though.
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The eye went right over tyndall. I was watching a sat view and the AFB was a all you could see of the coastline till it raced up and flattened Marriana on I-10
10-10-18 Tyndall AFB, FL - Stadium Effect Eye with blue skies in Hurricane Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ9dJ8uOn8I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ9dJ8uOn8I)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ9dJ8uOn8I#)
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Wow. I'm glad you're ok though.
I was 40 or so miles west of that mess. It was like sex with a fat chick. Just hang one cuz the ride is going to be bumpy.
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Drone footage shows Hurricane Michael ravaged Florida town where it made landfall
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/drone-footage-shows-decimated-michael-ravaged-mexico-beach-florida-n919061 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/drone-footage-shows-decimated-michael-ravaged-mexico-beach-florida-n919061)
They just build that town last week? All the construction looks minty fresh. Even the road looks like it was just done.
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I was 40 or so miles west of that mess. It was like sex with a fat chick. Just hang one cuz the ride is going to be bumpy.
What kind of windspeeds were you seeing?
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:beer: Just got power back. A/C rules.
@TheGhost
That's the truth if it was ever spoken. Glad you're all right.
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My nephew is stationed at Tyndall Air base and he evacuated home to my sister’s house. We have seen the devastation in Panama City, which is right across the bridge, so his family is worried about how their home on base has fared. The only news my nephew has gotten is to not return to base because there is significant damage. I’m just happy his family is safe with us.
@LilLamb, I hope the house made it through okay.
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What kind of windspeeds were you seeing?
When the wind shifted as the 'cane passed us bout 50-60 and steady for about a 1/2 hour. This thing moved fast....which was good.
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When the wind shifted as the 'cane passed us bout 50-60 and steady for about a 1/2 hour. This thing moved fast....which was good.
That's what I was hoping for when you told us you were going to batten down and ride her out. Did you see that drone footage upthread? There were a lot of houses swept off their foundations...just slabs left behind.
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They just build that town last week? All the construction looks minty fresh. Even the road looks like it was just done.
Everything was power-washed recently.
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Well, crap, the basement just flooded, but it could be a lot worse.
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@LilLamb, I hope the house made it through okay.
They don’t know yet , but have been told to expect the worst. Here is a flyover of the base damage.
https://youtu.be/plUGQqJROJI
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They don’t know yet , but have been told to expect the worst. Here is a flyover of the base damage.
https://youtu.be/plUGQqJROJI
Ouch.
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That's what I was hoping for when you told us you were going to batten down and ride her out. Did you see that drone footage upthread? There were a lot of houses swept off their foundations...just slabs left behind.
Been viewing all kinds of video's. PC, Mexico Bch, Apalachicola.... What a mess. If the damn thing could have just stayed a cat 2 it would have been a different story damage wise.
Oh well.
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They don’t know yet , but have been told to expect the worst. Here is a flyover of the base damage.
https://youtu.be/plUGQqJROJI
I was hoping they'd bugged out, but I saw quite a few of our planes there.
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Been viewing all kinds of video's. PC, Mexico Bch, Apalachicola.... What a mess. If the damn thing could have just stayed a cat 2 it would have been a different story damage wise.
Oh well.
You gonna ride out another someday?
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I was hoping they'd bugged out, but I saw quite a few of our planes there.
They got most of the planes out I believe some of the base structures were considered hurricane resistant so that might be why some planes were left inside those hangars.
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You gonna ride out another someday?
If the target is to the east of me, yes. Otherwise...no way!
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FALLING KITTENS RESCUED FROM HURRICANE MICHAEL
http://youtu.be/WOKfGDK7wIE (http://youtu.be/WOKfGDK7wIE)
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FALLING KITTENS RESCUED FROM HURRICANE MICHAEL
http://youtu.be/WOKfGDK7wIE (http://youtu.be/WOKfGDK7wIE)
Geez. Can you imagine the cockaroaches infesting that POS house.
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I sure hope no one rode out the storm in some of those locations.
@catfish1957
"George Helmond, a hardy Galveston salt, watched the water rise and told a buddy: I was born on this island and I'll die on this island.
"Gail Ettenger, a free spirit who adopted the Bolivar Peninsula as her home 15 years ago, and told a friend in a last phone call: I really messed up this time...."
From here: https://abc13.com/archive/6431754/ (https://abc13.com/archive/6431754/)
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My nephew got the word that 100% of base housing at Tyndall is in an unlivable condition, so they know their house took a hit. They were told to stay in place and not return to base. His wife is so upset that she didn’t get any mementos when they bugged out. They only got important papers. They are worried that they are going to get transferred to another base now, too.
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His wife is so upset that she didn’t get any mementos when they bugged out.
@LilLamb
I hope she does find those mementos she cherishes. Those are the hardest things to lose because they're irreplaceable.
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Bible spared by Hurricane Michael
https://weartv.com/news/local/bible-spared-by-hurricane-michael (https://weartv.com/news/local/bible-spared-by-hurricane-michael)
MEXICO BEACH, Fla. (WEAR) — One family returning to their home following Michael found whole walls missing and part of their roof blown off.
Marla Wood is an accountant from Atlanta. Her vacation home, close to loved ones, is nestled just across from the ocean on Highway 98 in Mexico Beach.
Her husband’s family owns the Driftwood Inn, which was wiped out, but Marla’s mother-in-law’s bible was unscathed! It was one of the few things Hurricane Michael didn’t destroy.