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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Avalon1 on January 10, 2021, 01:34:15 am
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https://www.newsmax.com/michaeldorstewitz/vote-fraud-baseless-merit-scotus/2021/01/02/id/1003982/ (https://www.newsmax.com/michaeldorstewitz/vote-fraud-baseless-merit-scotus/2021/01/02/id/1003982/)
Michael Dorstewitz - Newsmax
Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven." Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others. Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the mail-in ballots. In addition to outright claims of fraud, state and local officials in at least four states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia - used the pandemic to make last-minute changes to their state voting laws. The U.S. Constitution provides only each state legislature may set the time, place, and manner of elections.
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No they aren't. Clearly there was much fraud.
The most frustrating thing about this entire mess is the few republicans and other non-democrats claiming there was no fraud.
Even if there isn't as much as Trump and many of us believe, whats to be gained by denying it happened? Everyone knows rats cheat. If the past election fiasco can gin up momentum for election reform, voter ID, etc whats not to like?
Do they hate Trump so much they'll pass up an opportunity to make our system more fool proof by flat denying fraud happened?
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I found this today:
https://hereistheevidence.com/ (https://hereistheevidence.com/)
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I found this today:
https://hereistheevidence.com/ (https://hereistheevidence.com/)
Useful, thanks. Won’t make a bit of difference to the haters.
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[quote author=Avalon1 link=topic=425094.msg2359255#msg2359255 date=1610242455.
Michael Dorstewitz - Newsmax
Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven." Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others. Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the mail-in ballots. In addition to outright claims of fraud, state and local officials in at least four states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia - used the pandemic to make last-minute changes to their state voting laws. The U.S. Constitution provides only each state legislature may set the time, place, and manner of elections.
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The Disciples (Apostles) made claims on behalf of their Leader (Jesus Christ) that
appealed to the spiritual impulse of their followers; which did not require proof
in order to be accepted by believers in Roman Catholicism.
In absolute contrast, Politics, a totally secular matter, is emphatically NOT entitled
to the same level of acceptance and belief.
As such, political types making claims (voting fraud) does not make it so, as the
matter remains an assertion/opinion until proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Be nice if Trump and his followers grasped this but sadly that would require a level
of maturity that is non-existent.
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As such, political types making claims (voting fraud) does not make it so, as the
matter remains an assertion/opinion until proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Be nice if Trump and his followers grasped this but sadly that would require a level
of maturity that is non-existent.
Proof beyond reasonable doubt. Election workers and multiple counting of ballots.
https://rumble.com/vcaq4x-fulton-county-fraud-ballot-re-scanning-multiple-times.html
Now time for you to move the goal posts.
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They successfully cheated in seven states. Next up, 52 or more states. All elections counted by Dominion, all ballots shredded after scanning.
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[quote author=Avalon1 link=topic=425094.msg2359255#msg2359255 date=1610242455.
Michael Dorstewitz - Newsmax
Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven." Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others. Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the mail-in ballots. In addition to outright claims of fraud, state and local officials in at least four states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia - used the pandemic to make last-minute changes to their state voting laws. The U.S. Constitution provides only each state legislature may set the time, place, and manner of elections.
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The Disciples (Apostles) made claims on behalf of their Leader (Jesus Christ) that
appealed to the spiritual impulse of their followers; which did not require proof
in order to be accepted by believers in Roman Catholicism.
In absolute contrast, Politics, a totally secular matter, is emphatically NOT entitled
to the same level of acceptance and belief.
As such, political types making claims (voting fraud) does not make it so, as the
matter remains an assertion/opinion until proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Be nice if Trump and his followers grasped this but sadly that would require a level
of maturity that is non-existent.
@Absalom
Have I recently reminded you to stop calling Briefers "cultists" or a "religion" (or "stupid")? Consider this a warning.
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@Absalom
Have I recently reminded you to stop calling Briefers "cultists" or a "religion" (or "stupid")? Consider this a warning.
@Cyber Liberty
Is it OK to call him 'Liar' the next time he posts some BS about there not being any proof of fraud? Asking for a friend.
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@Cyber Liberty
Is it OK to call him 'Liar' the next time he posts some BS about there not being any proof of fraud? Asking for a friend.
That's a bit of a poser for me...I've done that some myself. I think it's better to say, "You lied!" than to say "You are a liar!" The difference is a subtle one.
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@Absalom
Have I recently reminded you to stop calling Briefers "cultists" or a "religion" (or "stupid")? Consider this a warning.
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Cyber, respectfully;
Regardless of the extent of my disagreements w/the opinions of Breriefers,
I have never labeled Briefers cultists or stupid, nor the site religious; NEVER!
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Cyber, respectfully;
Regardless of the extent of my disagreements w/the opinions of Breriefers,
I have never labeled Briefers cultists or stupid, nor the site religious; NEVER!
Thanks for the response. You might not believe it, but I consider you an important contributor....
I think we get sideways more often than we should.
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Proof beyond reasonable doubt. Election workers and multiple counting of ballots.
https://rumble.com/vcaq4x-fulton-county-fraud-ballot-re-scanning-multiple-times.html
Now time for you to move the goal posts.
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Hoodat, hopefully you will grasp the following.
My cousin is a Director of Civil Audits at the 6th Federal Appellate Court and we converse often.
Regarding voter fraud, he stated that those making this charge, must make their case step
by step while the asserted actions are connected by the logic of time. Additionally, intent must be proven as human error does not qualify; otherwise the entire matter is meritless.
Election worker talk is hearsay while ballot counting is gossip and re-scanning is rumor; unless proven by facts while under oath!!!
Not a solitary voter fraud allegation has been heard under oath and verified!!!!!!!!
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Do you prefer this new location for the goal posts?
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Right Side Broadcasting Network - Nov 25, 2020
Gregory Stenstrom, a Navy veteran and data scientist from Delaware​ County, testified that he observed a "forensically destructive" process on election night that should call into question anywhere from 100,000 to 120,000 votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3I7eFQbbo&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3I7eFQbbo&feature=emb_title)
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Right Side Broadcasting Network - Nov 25, 2020
Gregory Stenstrom, a Navy veteran and data scientist from Delaware​ County, testified that he observed a "forensically destructive" process on election night that should call into question anywhere from 100,000 to 120,000 votes.
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1) Who, both defined and measured the impact of "forensically destructive" while under oath?????
2) Who corroborated Stenstrom's figures?????
Many will complain that I'm being an unreasonable; perhaps......... yet an observation!
Go into Court w/o hard evidence to back up your assertions and you'll be instantly shown
the door as were Trump's Stooges, Giuliani, Powell and Wood, every single time!!!
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1) Who, both defined and measured the impact of "forensically destructive" while under oath?????
2) Who corroborated Stenstrom's figures?????
Many will complain that I'm being an unreasonable; perhaps......... yet an observation!
Go into Court w/o hard evidence to back up your assertions and you'll be instantly shown
the door as were Trump's Stooges, Giuliani & Powell, every single time!!!
You mean the kind of hard evidence derived from a complete forensic examination?
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1) Who, both defined and measured the impact of "forensically destructive" while under oath?????
2) Who corroborated Stenstrom's figures?????
Many will complain that I'm being an unreasonable; perhaps......... yet an observation!
Go into Court w/o hard evidence to back up your assertions and you'll be instantly shown
the door as were Trump's Stooges, Giuliani, Powell and Wood, every single time!!!
I do have to agree with you; Giuliani and Powell did Trump no favors. Giuliani is NOT Trump's friend or ally in any way. I'm not familiar with Wood, so I can't comment.
On the other hand, Cruz was willing to argue and judges/court wouldn't hear the case. Cruz is by far a stooge/clown.
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You mean the kind of hard evidence derived from a complete forensic examination?
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I'm talking about structuring a case, reinforced by facts and
figures, that prevents the defense from making a fool of the plaintiff.
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I'm talking about structuring a case, reinforced by facts and
figures, that prevents the defense from making fool of the plaintiff.
"Hard evidence" cannot be offered unless there is an opportunity to collect it.
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Many whose duty was to investigate fraud shirked their duty and refused to even view it. The worst American election fraud committed, recorded on Cameras, testified by many, some by even the perps, and no fraud? C'mon, what is this a Mega stupid check?
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I'm talking about structuring a case, reinforced by facts and
figures, that prevents the defense from making fool of the plaintiff.
Earlier, you were talking about reasonable proof, which we already have.
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Earlier, you were talking about reasonable proof, which we already have.
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Your comment....."about reasonable proof, which we already have"
is an opinion and certainly NOT a statement of fact!
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Your comment....."about reasonable proof, which we already have"
is an opinion and certainly NOT a statement of fact!
In your addled biased mind you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you across the forehead like a 2 X 4.
Electoral fraud has been brought up and documented for months here voluminously. I don't care for Trump, but at least I keep an open mind, and can connect dots, and understand the plausibilty and likelyhood of the theft.
Unlike your Lincoln Project like hatred of Trump, which has blinded you.
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The extreme hatred of Trump, which has blinded you. This is exactly why the push the hatred of Trump to fanaticism dupe and fools, and they spread the hatred to other areas of socialist/commie interests. They are doing their best to treat Trump and non-socialist like Jews of Germany last Century. They are striving for the same results this time too.
Socialist strongly believe errors of history can be repeated and they seek just such achievements.
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In your addled biased mind you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you across the forehead like a 2 X 4.
Electoral fraud has been brought up and documented for months here voluminously. I don't care for Trump, but at least I keep an open mind, and can connect dots, and understand the plausibility and likelihood of the theft.
Unlike your Lincoln Project like hatred of Trump, which has blinded you.
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Hmm......so electoral fraud has been brought up and documented ......and so what???
That is the very essence of the problem!!!!!
It's apparent that for some, after an issue (vote fraud) is repeated a minimum number
of times, w/o challenge, it rises to the level of a truth, which is brainless nonsense.
In fact, the core definition of hearsay is data/information asserted from another source
then repeated; that cannot be substantiated/proven.
What is astonishing in this vote fraud fandango is that the Courts have dismissed every single charge made because the Plaintiffs could not substantiate their allegations.
So what do Trump and his Posse do??? Why they repeat their claims another 5000 times!
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The extreme hatred of Trump, which has blinded you. This is exactly why the push the hatred of Trump to fanaticism dupe and fools, and they spread the hatred to other areas of socialist/commie interests. They are doing their best to treat Trump and non-socialist like Jews of Germany last Century. They are striving for the same results this time too.
Socialist strongly believe errors of history can be repeated and they seek just such achievements.
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When posters become agitated, their rhetoric is affected, which is predictable.
What is not predictable is your language which is hardly reasoned.
Suggest you acquaint yourself w/an English Grammar Text and learn how to
construct a coherent sentence.
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When posters become agitated, their rhetoric is affected, which is predictable.
What is not predictable is your language which is hardly reasoned.
Suggest you acquaint yourself w/an English Grammar Text and learn how to
construct a coherent sentence.
Oddly I find Christian's postings more coherent than your's.
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Your comment....."about reasonable proof, which we already have"
is an opinion and certainly NOT a statement of fact!
It is also what you asked for in Post 4 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,425094.msg2359310.html#msg2359310). Stop moving the goal posts. But just to correct you, it absolutely positive IS a statement of FACT that the woman in that video fed ballots through a machine multiple times. And that is fraud.
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When posters become agitated, their rhetoric is affected, which is predictable.
What is not predictable is your language which is hardly reasoned.
Suggest you acquaint yourself w/an English Grammar Text and learn how to
construct a coherent sentence.
Coherence is subjective. And in your case, difficult to discern when your mouth is frothing with foam and vitriol.
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I found this today:
https://hereistheevidence.com/ (https://hereistheevidence.com/)
That IS very useful - thank you!
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That IS very useful - thank you!
:bkmk:
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Oddly I find Christian's postings more coherent than your's.
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Since it's an opinion forum, all are certainly entitled;
yet you might want to re-check the definition of coherent.
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FACT[/b] that the woman in that video fed ballots through a machine multiple times. And that is fraud.
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Certainly you're entitled, yet permit me to play Devil's Advocate!!
1) Identify that woman and what role she was assigned in vote counting!
2) Describe the ballots by distinguishing characteristics such as size, color and texture!
3) Did any/all of them have signatures?
4) How many were fed into the machine and for how long?
5) What is your proof that the same ballots were scanned several times?
You may think I'm giving you a hard time but these question are trivial when
compared to the questions you would get from an aggressive Defense Attorney.
Repeating, saying something is so, is emphatically not the same as proving it is so;
which is precisely why Trump's assertions of voter fraud are in the trash can.
All of them!!!!!
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Hard core leftist firmly believe their opinions are more factual than facts, and facts are irrelevant that disagree with their opinions-politics. It fuels their politics fanaticism that eventually comes out into the open. Looks at the hate pouring out from the left/democrats, vicious and by then justified. Only they have the right to govern/rule. This centuries political NAZIS. When they are dead wrong and they know it they become punctuation, sentence structure NAZIS..................
22222frying pan :rolling: :smokin: :rolling: 22222frying pan
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Certainly you're entitled, yet permit me to play Devil's Advocate!!
1) Identify that woman and what role she was assigned in vote counting!
2) Describe the ballots by distinguishing characteristics such as size, color and texture!
3) Did any/all of them have signatures?
4) How many were fed into the machine and for how long?
5) What is your proof that the same ballots were scanned several times?
You may think I'm giving you a hard time but these question are trivial when
compared to the questions you would get from an aggressive Defense Attorney.
Repeating, saying something is so, is emphatically not the same as proving it is so;
which is precisely why Trump's assertions of voter fraud are in the trash can.
All of them!!!!!
And the goalposts move again.
Since this isn't a court of law, none of that is feasible or even reasonable. How about instead you offer a counter-argument. Explain to us how this video isn't someone feeding ballots through a machine multiple times - a video specifically taken of poll workers feeding ballots into machines during an election.
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Liberal democrats not only believe they have the right to sole rule, but also to get away with election fraud, regardless of caught red handed/ in the act many countless times.
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Hard core leftist firmly believe their opinions are more factual than facts, and facts are irrelevant that disagree with their opinions-politics. It fuels their politics fanaticism that eventually comes out into the open. Looks at the hate pouring out from the left/democrats, vicious and by then justified. Only they have the right to govern/rule. This centuries political NAZIS. When they are dead wrong and they know it they become punctuation, sentence structure NAZIS..................
22222frying pan :rolling: :smokin: :rolling: 22222frying pan
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Vast improvement as 1/3 of the sentences now make some sense!
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And the goalposts move again.
Since this isn't a court of law, none of that is feasible or even reasonable. How about instead you offer a counter-argument. Explain to us how this video isn't someone feeding ballots through a machine multiple times - a video specifically taken of poll workers feeding ballots into machines in an election.
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You're the Plaintiff making the voter fraud charge; guilt which you must prove!
The defendant does not have to prove innocence.
Hmm............ now who's trying to move the goalposts???????????????
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At this point. It doesn't matter. Voter fraud will never be proven and no court is even going to hear a case.
It was an excuse to incite riots; whomever they've been motivated by.
Right now over 10,000 National Guardsmen will be in DC for the inauguration.
FBI is reporting 'tips' of riots in all 50 states -- National Guard will be deployed in each state.
So ... that's where our focus needs to be and hopefully everyone has purchased enough food, water and toilet paper to last them!
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You're the Plaintiff making the voter fraud charge; guilt which you must prove!
The defendant does not have to prove innocence.
Hmm............ now who's trying to move the goalposts???????????????
The grand jury has already voted. Over three-fourths of your peers here are in agreement that the evidence presented constitutes enough proof to indict, counselor.
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At this point. It doesn't matter. Voter fraud will never be proven and no court is even going to hear a case.
It was an excuse to incite riots; whomever they've been motivated by.
Right now over 10,000 National Guardsmen will be in DC for the inauguration.
FBI is reporting 'tips' of riots in all 50 states -- National Guard will be deployed in each state.
So ... that's where our focus needs to be and hopefully everyone has purchased enough food, water and toilet paper to last them!
Remember the outrage when Trump just suggested using the National Guard to quell the BLM riots? My how things have changed.
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The grand jury has already voted. Over three-fourths of your peers here are in agreement that the evidence presented constitutes enough proof to indict, counselor.
Your patience and restraint is admirable........and beyond me which is why I placed the ____________ on ignore and this exchange has reminded me again why I normaly skim right past their posts. After close to three decades of customer service and managing I lost all patience for the type years ago.
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The grand jury has already voted. Over three-fourths of your peers here are in agreement that the evidence presented constitutes enough proof to indict, counselor.
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Hmm..............time to bring the curtain down on this charade.
So 3/4 of posters agree w/Trump. What a shock???
There was no evidence, NONE, presented here, nor in more than 50 Appellate Courts
which is why Trump's charges reside at the bottom of the commode.
Er.......if you're considering a career move suggest you avoid anything requiring logic.
Nothing further!!!!!
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At this point. It doesn't matter. Voter fraud will never be proven and no court is even going to hear a case.
It was an excuse to incite riots; whomever they've been motivated by.
Right now over 10,000 National Guardsmen will be in DC for the inauguration.
FBI is reporting 'tips' of riots in all 50 states -- National Guard will be deployed in each state.
So ... that's where our focus needs to be and hopefully everyone has purchased enough food, water and toilet paper to last them!
I think this is our darkest hour @libertybele But, don't give up just yet. In nine days the brilliant establishment strategists of all political stripes, occupations and nationalities will have unchained their worst nightmare. Let's give him twenty or so minutes to decompress and gear up for the next fight and see where this could take us. happy77
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Hmm..............time to bring the curtain down on this charade.
So 3/4 of posters agree w/Trump. What a shock???
There was no evidence, NONE, presented here, nor in more than 50 Appellate Courts
which is why Trump's charges reside at the bottom of the commode.
Er.......if you're considering a career move suggest you avoid anything requiring logic.
Nothing further!!!!!
No one really cares about your pompous little observatory rants anymore. But in summation and curiosity, please show us on the doll where the terrible orange man touched you.
You have lost all touch with reality, and have gone into brain lock on any evidentiary fraud examples that have been covered at TBR a 1000 times. That's on you bud.
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So 3/4 of posters agree w/Trump. What a shock???
However, the election in the hotly contested swing state of North Carolina was copasetic and completely free from shenanigans--despite Republicans recently being caught red-handed cheating there (with, wait for it...absentee ballots!)--because the good guys won. tri22
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There was no evidence, NONE, presented here
I provided you a video of an election worker feeding the same ballots through a machine multiple times. That is evidence of fraud. So yes, evidence was presented here.
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No one really cares about your pompous little observatory rants anymore. But in summation and curiosity, please show us on the doll where the terrible orange man touched you.
You have lost all touch with reality, and have gone into brain lock on any evidentiary fraud examples that have been covered at TBR a 1000 times. That's on you bud.
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Hmm..........gossip & hearsay, w/which you're well acquainted,
suggests that Trump will shortly be hiring supporters to visit him
regularly and cheer him up w/daily doses of bravos.
Who knows??? It just might be a career move for you???
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@Absalom
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@Absalom :yawn2:
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Fair enough, as I'm also tired!
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Do I think there is rampant voter fraud... Yes
Do I think it (fraud) was enough to change the outcome of the race.... Yes probable
Do I think Trump was a popular candidate .... Somewhat but his negatives were dang high probable Hillary high. Thus why more republican candidates for the house won but Trump didn't pull enough to overcome the fraud.
What to do about it... besides me gripping...? Republicans have got to get better situated in the watching in democratic strongholds. The BS of pulling out pallets of ballots when everyone was sent home has got to be stopped. Elections are stolen in democrat cities, and I don't know if more cameras would help or not... Also the vote harvesting is beyond funny, it is criminal.