I didn't think he would last for long after Barbara passed. Clearly they loved one another very much.
A couple together that long and that loving, the death of one normally means the surviving partner's days are numbered.
Just ask Yogi Berra. He was probably lucky to live the year and a half he lived after his wife, Carmen, died a few years ago.
RIP Mr. Bush.
Richard Nixon survived Pat by 10 months.I remember. He looked so terrible at her funeral you could have predicted that or sooner.
I remember. He looked so terrible at her funeral you could have predicted that or sooner.
Broke my heart when I saw Nixon break down at the funeral, knew it wouldn't be long. I may not have agreed with everything Nixon did, but he was a good man, and the Democrats who went after him all have a special place in Hell reserved for them.I'll go to my own grave believing Nixon sought the wrong office. What he should have been was a Secretary of State, and for more than one president. With his knowledge of the world, its intricacies, hypocrisies, and contradictions alike, he'd have been one of the greatest such secretaries in our history.
. . . His sheer vulnerability so fills the memory as to expel all musings about his place in history and clear out all but the personal. We first met in the summer of 1950, when I found us sharing the same hotel and called him with a view to worming out one or another of the House Committee on Un-American Activities' dirty little secrets.
He proved to be an earnestly agreeable host, and we sat up for hours sharing a bottle of Scotch. What struck me from the first was how much he wanted strangers to like him. There was honest wistfulness in the voice that said how often he had wished that he could feel the commitment shown by the hostile witness he had no doubt been severely chastising that very afternoon . . .
. . . In exile he once or twice invited me for refreshment by his sovereign if insufficiently serene wisdom. He once sent a note describing me as an old friend and trusted adviser. That was far from the first honour I have owed to someone else's fantasy.
To meet the Kennedys was sometimes, through no fault of theirs, to feel like a social climber. To be met by Nixon was to sense how much he felt that he was the social climber and that you were the distinguished person who, he would later boast, had treated him as an equal. He was in that way, as in so many others, so much kin to the rest of us that I have never felt the faintest impulse to apologise for liking him.
It's a little bowed after all these years, but here's my souvenir from night 4 of the 1992 Republican National Convention at the Astrodome. It was the night when he officially accepted the nomination and gave his acceptance speech. Somewhere around here, I still have a little bag of confetti that was released with the balloon drop. What an amazing week that was!
Prayers for the Bush family.
I didn't think he would last for long after Barbara passed. Clearly they loved one another very much.
I didn't care for the man but I wont wish him a bad afterlife (as some do). :nono:
(https://i.postimg.cc/1XLJ9S2P/4c5d948013d3ac38b119a686ef820d29.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
He doubled the cap on legal immigration raising the total to over a million a year. We are living with that mistake today, a mistake that may lead to the eventual destruction of the country.
Bush failed to endorse Trump for President, along with the rest of his family. The Bushes were not loyal to the GOP and proved to be ungrateful for the support the GOP gave them. Teaming up with the Clintons was unforgivable.
George H.W. Bush Calls Trump a ‘Blowhard’
Both father and son had previously said they did not vote for Trump, with the elder Bush opting for Clinton and his son saying he chose “none of the above†on the ballot.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-hw-bush-calls-trump-a-blowhard (https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-hw-bush-calls-trump-a-blowhard)
I didn't realize he had said that. Pretty disturbing coming from the President of the USA.
I didn't think he would last for long after Barbara passed. Clearly they loved one another very much.
Former U.S. President George Bush, Who Presided Over End Of Cold War, Is Dead At 94
https://www.rferl.org/a/george-bush-senior-dead-at-age-94/29631689.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/george-bush-senior-dead-at-age-94/29631689.html)
My condolences to the Bush family. President Bush was a great man who accomplished much in his life.
I didn't care for the man but I wont wish him a bad afterlife (as some do). :nono:
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He doubled the cap on legal immigration raising the total to over a million a year. We are living with that mistake today, a mistake that may lead to the eventual destruction of the country.
Bush failed to endorse Trump for President, along with the rest of his family. The Bushes were not loyal to the GOP and proved to be ungrateful for the support the GOP gave them. Teaming up with the Clintons was unforgivable.
George H.W. Bush Calls Trump a ‘Blowhard’
Both father and son had previously said they did not vote for Trump, with the elder Bush opting for Clinton and his son saying he chose “none of the above†on the ballot.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-hw-bush-calls-trump-a-blowhard (https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-hw-bush-calls-trump-a-blowhard)
Not a great President, but not the spawn of Satan some here portray him to be.
I knew it wouldn't take long for the Bush family haters to come out of the woodwork and bash President Bush even in death.
Even Trump managed a few kind words, although I expect those words were written for him.
Ok, so the Bush family is not conservative and both Presidents Bush displayed errors in judgment and made poor domestic and foreign policy decisions. But to be fair, even the much revered President Reagan had his faults. Every president does.
But this president is gone. Whatever you think about him doesn't matter now. He is in God's hands and God will be the one to judge him, not you.
So how about we all lay off the Bush bashing till at least his funeral. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
@Applewood
Letting evil go unnoticed and unmentioned is helping to spread evil. Seems like a HUGE price to pay just to be polite.
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I appreciate and respect his service in WWII.
I wouldn't call President Bush evil, but whatever.
Whatever Presidenr Bush did or didn't do -- it's over. The man is dead. Bringing it up yet again serves no purpose. It does not prevent the spread of "evil." All it does is show the one continuing to bring these things up as petty and malicious. Let it go.
The idiots on this forum have no problem spreading outright lies about a good man that passed on. Conservatives are the dumbest people on the internet.
Not all of us are that gullible/dumb.
Stop the name-calling, whether directed at fellow members or Mr. Bush. Stick to what he said and did.
Not all of us are that gullible/dumb.
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When George met Babe.
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Babe Ruth met future President George H.W. Bush in 1948
By: Ted Berg | June 3, 2013 9:57 pm
In 1948, a cancer-stricken Babe Ruth donated an original manuscript of his autobiography to Yale University. He presented the gift in an on-field ceremony at Yale Field, where he was greeted by the Bulldogs’ baseball team captain, young George H.W. Bush. ... More (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/babe-ruth-met-future-president-george-h-w-bush-in-1948)
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How do you feel about spreading lies about this man on your forum?They aren't alone, though: the Black Left is still sore over Willie Horton.
When George met Babe.
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Babe Ruth met future President George H.W. Bush in 1948
By: Ted Berg | June 3, 2013 9:57 pm
In 1948, a cancer-stricken Babe Ruth donated an original manuscript of his autobiography to Yale University. He presented the gift in an on-field ceremony at Yale Field, where he was greeted by the Bulldogs’ baseball team captain, young George H.W. Bush. ... More (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/babe-ruth-met-future-president-george-h-w-bush-in-1948)
I appreciate and respect his service in WWII.
@Applewood lets not encourage Pete's behavior. He gets off on our reactions.
How do you feel about spreading lies about this man on your forum?
Oh wow. I have to tag @EasyAce to see this. Thank you for posting this @mountaineer what a great photo.
So for anyone wondering...the moving pieces for President Bush's funeral began last night when his death was announced.
Inside the Military District of Washing Ceremonies office on Ft. McNair there are several large three ringed binders. No names are on them...just numbers. 39, 41, 42 etc. Those books contain the detailed plans each President, via a designated family representative, has for their respective funeral.
If they didn't leave a couple hours after notification, then early this morning a funeral team from the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) boarded a plane at Andrews AFB bound for Houston to bring the body of the former President back to D.C.
When the plane returns to Andrews, after any memorial services and/or ceremonial functions conducted in Houston, there will be another team from The Old Guard Waiting to transfer the casket of the former President to a waiting hearse. Depending on what happens in Houston and depending on the wishes of the former President in his funeral book...this could happen in a matter of hours or take the weekend.
There will be a funeral procession to the capitol, if I had to make an educated guess, because he is a Navy Veteran, his procession may stop by the WW II memorial on it's way to the Capitol in the same manner that former President Ford's did in 2006.
There will be no less than three different casket teams...possibly four at the Capitol upon his arrival to transfer his casket to the top of the steps. Again making an educated guess, I'm thinking the casket and it's escort will pause briefly in front of the doors to the House of Representatives to honor his time as a member of the House before arriving at the rotunda where he will lay in state and people can come and pay their respects.
What people don't see is what goes on behind the scenes to make all of this happen. In addition to the normal state funeral rehearsals the Honor Guards conduct in D.C. there are right now orders going out for designated units, firing parties and teams to begin set up and rehearsal procedures that will continue over the weekend to ensure what the people see on TV is absolutely flawless.
I didn't realize he had said that. Pretty disturbing coming from the President of the USA.
@Freya
It would be more correct to state that Bush met Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth was a MUCH bigger deal than Bush in 1948. Maybe even bigger than anyone else.
This was taken in 2007. I can't remember if he was able to sky dive again on his 90th birthday, but I know he wanted to.
His 90th was his last jump.
His jumpsuit, goggles and helmet are on display at the Golden Knights building on Ft. Bragg.
I wonder if Bush 41 and John 2 are chatting up a storm about having their kids being President.
Worked with him and for him both in the oil patch and in the political arena. I know him well enough to say that I'm 100% certain that he always did what he thought the right thing to be regardless of whether or not I agreed with what he did at the time.
RIP Mr. President and say hello to Barb for me.
A couple together that long and that loving, the death of one normally means the surviving partner's days are numbered.
Just ask Yogi Berra. He was probably lucky to live the year and a half he lived after his wife, Carmen, died a few years ago.
RIP Mr. Bush.
@mountaineer
There can be no question that he had courage. It is a basic requirement to fly on and off of aircraft carriers.
Statement from President Donald J. Trump and First Lady Melania Trump on the Passing of Former President George H.W. Bush
Issued on: December 1, 2018
Melania and I join with a grieving Nation to mourn the loss of former President George H.W. Bush, who passed away last night.
Through his essential authenticity, disarming wit, and unwavering commitment to faith, family, and country, President Bush inspired generations of his fellow Americans to public service—to be, in his words, “a thousand points of light†illuminating the greatness, hope, and opportunity of America to the world.
President Bush always found a way to set the bar higher. As a young man, he captained the Yale baseball team, and then went on to serve as the youngest aviator in the United States Navy during the Second World War. Later in life, he rose to the pinnacle of American politics as a Congressman from Texas, envoy to China, Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President of eight years to President Ronald Reagan, and finally President of the United States.
With sound judgment, common sense, and unflappable leadership, President Bush guided our Nation, and the world, to a peaceful and victorious conclusion of the Cold War. As President, he set the stage for the decades of prosperity that have followed. And through all that he accomplished, he remained humble, following the quiet call to service that gave him a clear sense of direction.
Along with his full life of service to country, we will remember President Bush for his devotion to family—especially the love of his life, Barbara. His example lives on, and will continue to stir future Americans to pursue a greater cause. Our hearts ache with his loss, and we, with the American people, send our prayers to the entire Bush family, as we honor the life and legacy of 41.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-donald-j-trump-first-lady-melania-trump-passing-former-president-george-h-w-bush/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-donald-j-trump-first-lady-melania-trump-passing-former-president-george-h-w-bush/)
That is AMAZING! To have that sense of adventure after 9 decades of living is just plain remarkable.
Through his essential authenticity, disarming wit, and unwavering commitment to faith, family, and country, President Bush inspired generations of his fellow Americans to public service—to be, in his words, “a thousand points of light†illuminating the greatness, hope, and opportunity of America to the world.
One remains from the WWII generation.
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
President George H.W. Bush led a long, successful and beautiful life. Whenever I was with him I saw his absolute joy for life and true pride in his family. His accomplishments were great from beginning to end. He was a truly wonderful man and will be missed by all!
3:16 AM - 1 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1068826073775964160
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
I was very much looking forward to having a press conference just prior to leaving Argentina because we have had such great success in our dealing with various countries and their leaders at the G20....
....However, out of respect for the Bush Family and former President George H.W. Bush we will wait until after the funeral to have a press conference.
7:21 AM - 1 Dec 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1068887938761662465
@musiclady
The late Paul Harvey recalled a joke that former President Bush made just prior to his first jump during one of his noontime "News and Comment segments.
"What's the difference between a bad golf shot and a bad parachute jump?
A bad golf shot - Splat...oh damn
A bad parachute jump - Oh damn...splat"
:laugh:
@Right_in_Virginia
Interesting that all of them but one (Reagan) were in the Navy.
What a disingenuous bleep. From this summer....
The late Paul Harvey recalled a joke that former President Bush made just prior to his first jump during one of his noontime "News and Comment segments. ...In that vein, you all might enjoy this article by Jim Nantz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/a-farewell-to-41-and-a-round-to-remember/ar-BBQkZJp?li=BBnba9I) about the rounds of golf he shared with the elder Bush and Clinton in Maine.
Or an attempt to be gracious. :shrug:
I hadn't realized that @txradioguy ... and interesting also is all of them but one were Republican. happy77
Oh wow. I have to tag @EasyAce to see this. Thank you for posting this @mountaineer what a great photo.@Freya
Don’t forget JFK. Or Eisenhower they served in WW II
Even Trump managed a few kind words, although I expect those words were written for him.
One remains from the WWII generation.
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Just couldn't resist getting that little dig in.
Or an attempt to be gracious. :shrug:
What a disingenuous bleep. From this summer....
"We're putting America first. And by the way, you know all the rhetoric you see, the Thousand Points of Light. What the hell was that by the way? Thousands Points of Light. What did that mean? Does anyone know?" Trump asked the crowd.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/06/trump_what_the_hell_is_thousand_points_of_light_we_understand_make_america_great_again.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/06/trump_what_the_hell_is_thousand_points_of_light_we_understand_make_america_great_again.html)
Not defending it, but just think what the Orange Fool was saying about his son (Jeb) during the primaries. I'd be out for blood too, if someone did that with my kid.
I agree. Meeting Babe Ruth would have probably been a big deal to anyone during his lifetime, right? @sneakypete especially if you love baseball. (Which I actually do)
He did serve honorably and bravely. I had many disagreements with Bush 41. From the "no new taxes, read my lips" pledge, to his globalist elitism. I wonder how the coverage of this former President will compare to that of McCain. Has the precedent been set for 24/7 coverage for a week?
One remains from the WWII generation.
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@FreyaYou've reminded me that one season, when Ruth was asked how he justified earning more than the president of the United States (at the time, it was Herbert Hoover), quipped, "I had a better year than he did."
Ask ANY kid that grew up in the 50's who he would rater meet,a future President or Babe Ruth,and the total would be about 9 million votes for the Babe versus 1 vote for a president. Chances are the 1 vote was made by mistake,too.
He was still better than any Democrat.
@Freya
Ask ANY kid that grew up in the 50's who he would rater meet,a future President or Babe Ruth,and the total would be about 9 million votes for the Babe versus 1 vote for a president. Chances are the 1 vote was made by mistake,too.
@Applewood lets not encourage Pete's behavior. He gets off on our reactions.
@catfish1957
You are a JEB fan,too????
ROFLMAO!
Must be a Texas thing.
I didn't care for the man but I wont wish him a bad afterlife (as some do). :nono:
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He doubled the cap on legal immigration raising the total to over a million a year. We are living with that mistake today, a mistake that may lead to the eventual destruction of the country.
Bush failed to endorse Trump for President, along with the rest of his family. The Bushes were not loyal to the GOP and proved to be ungrateful for the support the GOP gave them. Teaming up with the Clintons was unforgivable.
George H.W. Bush Calls Trump a ‘Blowhard’
Both father and son had previously said they did not vote for Trump, with the elder Bush opting for Clinton and his son saying he chose “none of the above†on the ballot.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-hw-bush-calls-trump-a-blowhard (https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-hw-bush-calls-trump-a-blowhard)
@austingirl
Probably. After all they were both globalists,and Bush was more of a globalist than McLunatic. McLunatic was just a whore for hire,but Bush grew up believing he was royalty and knew what was best for everyone. He was a true believer.
Good lord, this forum has some of the dumbest people on the internet. You simps will believe any garbage you read.
Must be easy marks for con men, I tell you that.
Sadly, I think you hit the nail on the head.
(I actually like Bush 43, even if he has likely inherited some of his dad's faults.)
That's 3 US Presidents that have died in Texas.
Kennedy, LBJ, GHW Bush.
That's 3 US Presidents that have died in Texas.
Kennedy, LBJ, GHW Bush.
Rumor has it that #2 and #3 were both involved in #1.
True. I thought that all the reports of JFK's death were recently supposed to be released.
It comes in three.
Meaning?? Carter (94), W (72), or Clinton (72) ?? Or perhaps referring to Trump (72)? It's not like either of them are spring chickens.
Even more strangely, Neil Bush, son of the vice president, was scheduled to have dinner with Hinckley’s brother, Scott, the day after the shooting.
The shooting took place on Monday, March 30, 1981. Neil and his wife, Sharon, were to have dinner with a girlfriend of hers who brought along Scott Hinckley as her date. Scott had supposedly been invited to round out the foursome.
Neil and his wife, and Scott, all lived in Denver at the time. Scott’s father’s oil company, Vanderbilt Oil, had its headquarters in Denver at that time. Scott was a company vice president.
https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/08/16/bush-angle-reagan-shooting-still-unresolved-hinckley-walks/ (https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/08/16/bush-angle-reagan-shooting-still-unresolved-hinckley-walks/)
@the_doc
I think I would have liked Boy Jorge on a personal level. I really do think he meant well,but he just had no idea what the hell he was doing because he was following Babs marching orders.
I thought a number of the archives have been released:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk (https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk)
More to the point, 2017-18 releases: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release (https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release)
As for Conspiracy, maybe go to "alternate realities", this is too off topic and I don't want to be out of forum etiquette. All I am saying, is by strange coincidences, Bush knew the family of Hinckley and that son, John, strangely did try to assassinate Reagan.
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That's just such an incredible coincidence. This website above is to me, pro-Dem; yet, the basic facts here above, apparently are so.
Anyway, JFK assassination theories have been discussed in alternate realities, if I speak on this one more time, it will be there, not here.
I met GHWB when I was a kid. Seemed like a nice guy, but when I became an adult, I concluded that he had had a lot of bad ideas about making America (and the world?) a "kinder, gentler" place. And I will never forgive him for voting for Clinton and saying so. (My goodness, HRC obviously stands for a harsher and ultimately more deadly America even as she acts like a Peacemaker and Lover of Children and likely also flowers and bunnies and quiet walks on the beaches, blah, blah, blah.)
Bush 43 tried to honor his dad's Globalist "kinder, gentler" motif, but he didn't go all in for it in the way Bush 41 did.
Meaning?? Carter (94), W (72), or Clinton (72) ?? Or perhaps referring to Trump (72)? It's not like either of them are spring chickens.
One more picket in that fence is gone.
"I will never forgive him for voting for Clinton"
I don't think Trump would have voted for Jeb (or any of the others)...do you?
Except that H.W. was not director of the CIA until 1975 and JFK was assassinated in 1963.
So ... I'm not sure how he is figured to have been a part of that conspiracy??
Except that H.W. was not director of the CIA until 1975 and JFK was assassinated in 1963.
So ... I'm not sure how he is figured to have been a part of that conspiracy??
There have been rumors that the CIA took out JFK; was Bush not head of the CIA at the time of JFK's assassination?
Prouty's story is absurd on several levels. Thanks to solid research by Jim Olmstead and Gordon Winslow, we know the following:
There was no ship named "Zapata." The whole operation was "Operation Zapata," but no ship was named that.
The ship Prouty calls the "Barbara" was in fact the "Barbara J." But Mrs. Bush's maiden name is "Barbara Pierce" with no middle initial, according to the 1999 edition of Who's Who. So no ship "Barbara J." could have been named after Mrs. Bush.
The ships in question had long carried the names they had at the Bay of Pigs invasion, and were not renamed for that operation.
The ships were indeed civilian ships, and not Navy ships painted to look like civilian ships.
No records have been found supporting Prouty's claimed role as supplier of ships for the operation.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm)
A hair-raising story of jungle heroism you probably never heard about George H.W. Bush
...
Here’s a story I researched back in 2011, a short while after spending a day with Bush in Houston, which speaks volumes to his heroism and courage.
The details were classified for decades and, though the story would have burnished his resume during a political campaign, he never spoke once of it in public. Modesty and duty to country were more important than stroking his own ego — a lesson one or more of his successors might heed.
It occurred in December 1983, when President Ronald Reagan’s war against communism in Central America was at a crossroads. El Salvador’s military, backed by the Reagan administration, was being pilloried for human rights abuses, such as the torture and killing of civilians, including Catholic nuns.
Read more at: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/419272-a-hair-raising-story-of-jungle-heroism-you-probably-never-heard-about (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/419272-a-hair-raising-story-of-jungle-heroism-you-probably-never-heard-about)
Bush Sr. Helped Reagan Smooth Over Death Squad Terror in El Salvador
In December 1983, then-U.S. Vice President George H.W. Bush slipped away on a little-known trip to Latin America to try to salvage Washington's agreement to fund a bloody Cold War fight against left-wing rebels in El Salvador as a surge in death squad activity threatened to derail its ability to continue supporting the military regime, newly declassified U.S. intelligence documented have revealed.
In a series of memoranda addressed to Bush detailing the goals of the trip to El Salvador, staffers of then-President Ronald Reagan explained that the vice president would be tasked with communicating a "carrot and stick" approach to the military government in El Salvador, at the time immersed in a brutal Washington-backed civil war against communist guerrilla forces.
Reagan's administration was at the time growing uncomfortable with exposure of the Salvadoran military's widespread human rights abuses, such as death squad murders of missionaries and civilians as well as cases of U.S. citizens being killed in the country. The grave human rights situation threatened to put Washington's support for the military government and its Cold War counterinsurgency strategy in "serious jeopardy," the documents state.
Read more at: https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Bush-Sr.-Helped-Smooth-Over-Death-Squad-Terror-in-El-Salvador-20161215-0013.html (https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Bush-Sr.-Helped-Smooth-Over-Death-Squad-Terror-in-El-Salvador-20161215-0013.html)
Good lord, this forum has some of the dumbest people on the internet. You simps will believe any garbage you read.
Must be easy marks for con men, I tell you that.
Or an attempt to be gracious. :shrug:Any surprise Trump is a miserable failure at graciousness too?
Bet they are! Proud papas! happy77
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Yes, but no. JFK was murdered in '63. Bush was CIA Director beginning in about 1976. During his Senate confirmation hearing, he stated that he had never worked for the CIA, but many people believe he was indulging in standard spook's perjury (i.e., never admit anything.)
During the hearing, he was reportedly confronted with an affidavit from a leader of the Cuban refugees' Bay of Pigs disaster stating that a CIA officer who identified himself as George Bush personally delivered two ships from the U.S. Navy to Central America for staging the Bay of Pigs invasion. GHWB said that must have been a different George Bush. That reportedly stopped all further questioning.
The story becomes more entangled when it was later learned (?) that the CIA name for the operation was Operation Zapata. (Zapata Offshore was the name of GHWB's oil exploration company in Houston.) Even weirder, I saw an online JPEG document presenting the names of the two ships when they were re-christened for the invasion. They were (The) Barbara and (The) Houston.
Maybe all of these things turned up after the Senate hearing are just fake documents. But notice that the thread of "facts" (?) started with the Cuban refugee leader's affidavit in the U.S. Senate hearing about a mystery man named George Bush who was evidently proud enough of his historic CIA role in the upcoming glorious invasion to identify himself by name. (Why not go on to use the names Zapata and Barbara and Houston?) When JFK decided for reasons unknown to pull the plug on the promised air support for the Operation, the invasion was an unmitigated disaster, not a glorious thing after all.
Anyway, the CIA hated JFK. And JFK hated the CIA and declared in public that he was going to "tear the CIA into a thousand pieces." A matter of weeks later, he was dead.
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Worse still, it has been alleged (?) that GHWB was known to have been in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot. I have never seen the evidence of that. But the recent documents release /dump did have a paragraph that mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald was an associate of George Bush. Probably worst of all, if the story is true, is that GHWB was supposedly asked where he was when he heard the news that JFK had been shot--and he said that he couldn't remember.
Again, maybe this is mostly bunk. But it is rather worrisome bunk, it seems to me.
Your mistaken @libertybele
(https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Ted-Cruz-Father-JFK.png)
RIP President George HW Bush. A WWII hero even though he got shot down, but didn't suffer from bone spurs and gonorrhea.
Complete Bunk. I don't see it as worrisome, but rather feeding into the minds of conspiracy theorists. Yes, I pointed out later on the Bush was not CIA director till 1976. So no orders came from him during the assassination of Kennedy.
Seriously? Bush Sr., wasn't truly even into politics when he supposedly was identified.
Any surprise Trump is a miserable failure at graciousness too?
This quote has been passed around our family dinner table many times as my father in law also can't stand broccoli...funny that they are the same age and his mother made him eat his broccoli.
"....I do not like broccoli. And I haven't liked it since I was a little kid and my mother made me eat it. And I'm President of the United States and I'm not going to eat any more broccoli."
- George H. W. Bush
Cuban Peers Dispute Ted Cruz’s Father’s Story of Fighting for Castro
The school records of Rafael Cruz from 1954, when he was about 15 years old. Stories from his upbringing in Cuba, retold by Mr. Cruz and by his son, who is running for president, have hooked Republican audiences.CreditCreditLisette Poole for The New York Times
By Jason Horowitz
Nov. 9, 2015
MATANZAS, Cuba — Since he was a boy, Senator Ted Cruz has said, all he wanted to do was “fight for liberty†— a yearning that he says was first kindled when he heard his father’s tales of fighting as a rebel leader in Cuba in the 1950s, throwing firebombs, running guns and surviving torture.
Those stories, retold by Mr. Cruz and by his father, Rafael, have hooked Republican audiences and given emotional power to the message that the Texas senator is pushing as a contender for the party’s presidential nomination. In their telling, the father’s experience in Cuba — when the country was swept up by the charismatic young Fidel Castro, only to see him become a repressive Communist dictator — becomes a parable for the son’s nightmarish vision of government overreach under President Obama.
But the family narrative that has provided such inspirational fire to Mr. Cruz’s speeches, debate performances and a recently published memoir is, his father’s Cuban contemporaries say, an embroidered one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/cuban-peers-dispute-ted-cruzs-fathers-story-of-fighting-for-castro.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/cuban-peers-dispute-ted-cruzs-fathers-story-of-fighting-for-castro.html)
I know this article is from the NY Times, and we hate them, and I know that some of you despise GHW Bush and that every single one of us disagrees with his politics, but this is a touching article showing the sweetness of this good man, and I thought it might be nice to bring this thread back to it's point and away from the sniping...
‘I Love You, Too’: George Bush’s Final Days
By Peter Baker
Dec. 1, 2018
George Bush had been fading in the last few days. He had not gotten out of bed, he had stopped eating and he was mostly sleeping. For a man who had defied death multiple times over the years, it seemed that the moment might finally be arriving.
His longtime friend and former secretary of state, James A. Baker III, arrived at his Houston home on Friday morning to check on him.
Mr. Bush suddenly grew alert, his eyes wide open.
“Where are we going, Bake?†he asked.
“We’re going to heaven,†Mr. Baker answered.
“That’s where I want to go,†Mr. Bush said.
Barely 13 hours later, Mr. Bush was dead. The former president died in his home in a gated community in Houston, surrounded by several friends, members of his family, doctors and a minister. As the end neared on Friday night, his son George W. Bush, the former president, who was at his home in Dallas, was put on the speaker phone to say goodbye. He told him that he had been a “wonderful dad†and that he loved him.
“I love you, too,†Mr. Bush told his son.
Those were his last words.
Mr. Bush’s final days, as recounted on Saturday by Mr. Baker, who saw him repeatedly at the end and was in the room when he died, were remarkably peaceful after an eventful 94-year life that took him from the skies of the Pacific during World War II to the Oval Office at the end of the Cold War.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/us/politics/george-hw-bush-last-days.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FBush%2C%20George%20W.&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/us/politics/george-hw-bush-last-days.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FBush%2C%20George%20W.&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection)
Investigative
A history of George H.W. Bush’s relationship with Planned Parenthood
By Carole Novielli | September 29, 2016 , 02:02pm
One of the chief co-sponsors of the Title X statute, which allocates millions of federal tax dollars to Planned Parenthood and other family planning organizations, was Rep. George H.W. Bush (R-TX), who later became our nation’s 41st president. In 1970, the United States House of Representatives voted 298 to 32 to approve the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, Title X of the Public Health Service Act, authorizing federal dollars to pay for family planning services to low-income women. The Senate had previously approved the legislation, which was also supported by Republican President Richard Nixon (more on Nixon’s views on race and population control here), and established the Office of Population Affairs within the Department of Health Education and Welfare to oversee it.
One of the chief co-sponsors of the Title X statute, which allocates millions of federal tax dollars to Planned Parenthood and other family planning organizations, was Rep. George H.W. Bush (R-TX), who later became our nation’s 41st president. In 1970, the United States House of Representatives voted 298 to 32 to approve the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, Title X of the Public Health Service Act, authorizing federal dollars to pay for family planning services to low-income women. The Senate had previously approved the legislation, which was also supported by Republican President Richard Nixon (more on Nixon’s views on race and population control here), and established the Office of Population Affairs within the Department of Health Education and Welfare to oversee it.
Just prior to the 1970 passage of the Family Planning Act, Congressman George H.W. Bush suggested that family planning needed to become a “household wordâ€:
We need to make population and family planning household words. We need to take sensationalism out of this topic so that it can no longer be used by militants who have no real knowledge of the voluntary nature of the program but, rather are using it as a political steppingstone. If family planning is anything, it is a public health matter.
Read more at: https://www.liveaction.org/news/history-of-george-h-w-bushs-relationship-planned-parenthood/ (https://www.liveaction.org/news/history-of-george-h-w-bushs-relationship-planned-parenthood/)
Any surprise that you @Once-Ler would talk trash in a thread paying tribute to a good man, father, and grandfather and our 41st President? Let's move on shall we and reserve the snark and nastiness for another time?
‘I Love You, Too’: George Bush’s Final Days
By Peter Baker
Dec. 1, 2018
George Bush had been fading in the last few days. He had not gotten out of bed, he had stopped eating and he was mostly sleeping. For a man who had defied death multiple times over the years, it seemed that the moment might finally be arriving.
George H.W. Bush, 41st president of the United States, dies at 94
Washington Post, Dec 1, 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/george-hw-bush-41st-president-of-the-united-states-dies-at-94/2018/11/30/42fa2ea2-61e2-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html?utm_term=.b2e1cfc47078 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/george-hw-bush-41st-president-of-the-united-states-dies-at-94/2018/11/30/42fa2ea2-61e2-11e8-99d2-0d678ec08c2f_story.html?utm_term=.b2e1cfc47078)
It truly is a very beautiful and touching story that clearly depicts the gentle side of him and the closeness of his family. I've read it a couple of times from different news sources and it brings tears to my eyes.
Thanks for the post.
You're welcome, @libertybele . It brought tears to my eyes too.
I really think this thread needs to be about President Bush himself, and not the typical sniping at each other (and some pretty out there conspiracy theories).
Of course I'll be attacked for this sentiment, but somebody needs to stand up for respecting and honoring a man who was truly a hero.
I fully agree with you. He was our most famous Astros fan too. He attended 100's upon 100's of games after retiring from politics. Happy for him (and me too) to see an Astros championship in our lifetime.
I did not agree with the GWHB 100% of the time, and he made too many concessions to the left. Still, he was a war hero, and has compiled one of the most impressive resume's in American history. To those who besmirched this honorable man...... We can easily see who the gaggle of resident Freepers are.
GHW Bush had a humane view as president but I believe he was a big proponent of birth control as a congressman.Setting Mr. Bush to one side for the moment, I would remind people that birth control is not limited strictly to abortion, and that you can approve of birth control without concurrently approving of abortion.
What?
He did say it at the UN. I checked because I didn't believe it. So you were saying?
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Proof?
I was surprised when I first read that GWB spoke to his father by phone, from Dallas, I presume. Were Jeb, Doro or Neil there?
Baker was there because he went to check on him.
An echo of history as Locomotive 4141 carries George H.W. Bush to his final resting place
Washington Post, Dec 2, 2018
HOUSTON — When the curtain parted in College Station, Tex., revealing a two-toned blue locomotive standing nearly 16 feet tall and bearing the number 4141 in his honor, former president George H.W. Bush looked around excitedly, his face breaking into a smile.
One word left his lips: Wow.
Thirteen years later, that same Union Pacific locomotive will escort the 41st president to his final resting place in College Station on Thursday afternoon after funeral ceremonies in Washington and Houston.
The train carrying his remains will leave a Union Pacific Railroad facility in Spring, a community north of Houston, and travel the 70 miles to College Station. Bush will be buried there, alongside his late wife and daughter, on the site of his presidential library at Texas A&M University.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/an-echo-of-history-as-locomotive-4141-carries-george-hw-bush-to-his-final-resting-place/2018/12/02/03281518-f64e-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fa5ab5adb38 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/an-echo-of-history-as-locomotive-4141-carries-george-hw-bush-to-his-final-resting-place/2018/12/02/03281518-f64e-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fa5ab5adb38)
It's worth double-checking assassination claims.The boat in the Bay of Pigs invasion was the "Barbara J", so Barbara Bush was Barbara Pierce. According to this article, the Houston as well as the Barbara J. were called that for some time before the assassination.
It's worth double-checking assassination claims.
Thanks for the scoop. I agree with you. But I think we should double-double-check everything in the back-and-forth exchanges over conspiracy theories.
To illustrate this, l would point out that there are still several problems:
1) During the Senate confirmation hearing, someone on the committee felt he had reason to believe that Bush had been a spook during Operation Zapata--which suspicion triggered his question and subsequent blindsiding of Bush with the affidavit. The name George Bush could have been a coincidence, but we shouldn't ignore too many coincidences.
2) For the record, I never asserted that there was a ship named Zapata. The Bay of Pigs project was named Zapata by the CIA's manager, however, and that is another coincidence.
3) As I recall the photocopied document that I saw online, the two (civilian) ships were delivered to the Cuban refugees' staging area by a USN crew under the oversight of a Mr. George Bush. These obviously weren't recreational yachts that had been turned over to the Navy, since they were obviously being outfitted for a military assault mission. (Personally, I would like to know the prior [industrial] owners of the two ships. Maybe it was a company in Houston involved in an offshore oil exploration business?)
4) I have not been able to find Barbara Bush's full birth name. This is common problem in genealogy since many women simply replace their middle name with their maiden surname--with the old middle name almost completely disappearing--but I would be surprised indeed if Barbara Bush had been given no middle name at birth. (That's really rare.)
Interestingly, First Lady Barbara Pierce Bush was a direct descendant of President Franklin Pierce and hence also a descendant of First Lady Barbara Jane Pierce. Maybe Barbara Pierce Bush was named at birth after her famous grandma. (Hey, that happens--pretty often, in fact.) And maybe she did sometimes go by the name Barbara Jane when she met her future husband. (My wife dropped her middle name when we got married--switching her maiden name to the middle position--but she occasionally does use her older middle name, coupled with her first name, in conversations or correspondence with old friends or family.)
NOTE: I realize that I have invoked a lot of "maybes," but that's part of the job of tracking things down.
5) Zapata Offshore, by the way, was founded as an oil exploration company in Houston way back in 1953--about a decade before the Bay of Pigs invasion--by GHWB along with a CIA officer (a Mr. Thomas Devine) who was reportedly retiring. As the following link suggests, Zapata Offshore was a rather strange little corporation with a global reach and also seemed to have continuing close ties with the CIA at least through the 1960s: https://whowhatwhy.org/2007/01/07/cia-bush-senior-oil-venture/.
(I believe that the above link is pretty important background for all of our discussions of the JFK conspiracy "theory." And yeah, I flatly do believe that the CIA murdered JFK. For me, the only remaining questions of interest are those of whether GHWB was a CIA spook at the time of the JFK murder--I believe he was--and whether he had a hand in the takedown of Kennedy--and I'm not at all sure about that.)
It would appear that we should find out if the two "civilian ships" outfitted for Operation Zapata had belonged to Zapata Offshore at some point. Dismissing any connection of these ships to GHWB based on the unexplained initial "J" is not a good idea.
You cited a source that maintains that "the ships in question had long carried the names they had at the Bay of Pigs invasion, and were not renamed for that operation." I apologize for having bought into the theory that the ships were re-christened. But the idea that the ships had "long carried the names" is consistent with the fact that Zapata Offshore had been in business for a full decade before the Bay of Pigs debacle. And I do still hold out a tentative theory that the fellow who managed the CIA project for the Cuban refugees was a bit too proud to bother covering his tracks of sources and method and identities. (Heck, the CIA's role really didn't need to be kept secret, did it? It was going to be a glorious mission.)
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GHW Bush was a Yale grad, and Yale has long been known as one of the top recruiting grounds for the CIA. And when the CIA recruits agents, they ordinarily have long-range plans in mind for them--including whatever backing (and cover story) might be needed. If GHWB was already a CIA recruit doing global work for the CIA, it would not be surprising that they would help to set up Zapata Offshore as a civilian cover for global espionage and maybe even use Zapata Offshore as source on the Gulf Coast for heavy oceangoing vessels that could be outfitted and used in Operation Zapata.
The linked article also reveals that the FBI gave a "briefing" to a "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" the very day after the JFK assassination. What was that all about? The CIA claimed that this was a different George Bush, but they said that they had lost track of him. (How convenient. [Sounds like today's FBI, doesn't it? "We lost the hard drives, the videotapes, the exculpatory evidence, the text messages, the e-mails--and the dog ate the homework."])
Finally, we are left with the allegation that GHWB was in Dallas on 1/22/63 and the recently declassified document that someone named George Bush knew Lee Harvey Oswald. Worst of all, is it true that GHWB later said that he couldn't remember where he was when he learned that JFK had been shot? If he really did say that, it was an almost unbelievably bad answer to the question. It would have to be regarded as a naïve attempt to distance himself from the JFK murder--which distance he would have wanted to create, I guess, even if he had nothing to do with JFK's murder (apparently Trump's conclusion). He should have told the truth.
At the bottom line, I would have to point out that, in our day, the fact-checkers and self-appointed conspiracy theory debunkers ordinarily need to be fact-checked and occasionally debunked themselves. There are conspiracies. There always have been. In the 20th Century, they have been wickedly sophisticated--especially, it seems, when the CIA is involved.
Remember: The CIA hated JFK. He hated the CIA, even threatening to destroy the entire agency. And he definitely had ruined the Bay of Pigs invasion for the CIA. Misguided super-patriots in the CIA might have concluded that JFK had to be killed.
Also, please keep in mind that I am not arguing that GHWB was surely complicit in the CIA's murder of JFK. I am merely laying out my serious suspicion that GHWB flatly lied when he said he was never associated with the CIA prior to his appointment as its Director. (Remember: CIA guys do lie. It's part of their job description.)
@libertybeleRegardless if the CIA hated JFK or not, Bush was not director until 1976 - 13 years AFTER the assassination of JFK. He served as a CT senator and left that position in 1962. I'm not finding any info that indicates that Bush Sr., had anything to do with the CIA during the time of JFK's death. So I don't see that he was lying...or is there truly any proof that he was ever asked the question?
@TomSea
@bigheadfred
@Sanguine
Thanks for the scoop. I agree with you. But I think we should double-double-check everything in the back-and-forth exchanges over conspiracy theories.
To illustrate this, l would point out that there are still several problems:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq6GcUxlLlO/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=smy3it5g9xet (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq6GcUxlLlO/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=smy3it5g9xet)
I tried and a friend tried but the picture wouldn’t post.
Here’s the link. It’s from Sully Bush , one of the late presidents labs. He’s sitting at attention. In front of his masters coffin, draped with an American flag.
I don’t care if you like or dislike the president. If you love dogs, this will bring a tear to your eye.
I really hope someone with more computer savvy can post it. It’s a beautiful photo. Thanks.
Thank you @EasyAceYou're very welcome!
Regardless if the CIA hated JFK or not, Bush was not director until 1976 - 13 years AFTER the assassination of JFK. He served as a CT senator and left that position in 1962. I'm not finding any info that indicates that Bush Sr., had anything to do with the CIA during the time of JFK's death. So I don't see that he was lying...or is there truly any proof that he was ever asked the question?
Still not understanding the connection between the Zapata navy ships being delivered to the Bay of Pigs. He was honorably discharged from the navy in 1945 - 18 years BEFORE the assassination of JFK. Again, timeline doesn't fit.
As for his wife Barbara, her maiden name was Pierce. Her birth name was Barbara Pierce. Did you ever think that perhaps she didn't have a middle name? My younger brother was not given a middle name. No big deal and what does that really have to do with anything? Ok, so a ship was named after her, how does that involve H. Bush? I'm not understanding how he would have ordered 2 ships into the Bay of Pigs ... under what authority did he have? Secondly, where is the info on the name of the ships coming from??
I am thoroughly convinced that H. Bush had nothing to do with JFK's assassination and find the conspiracy ridiculous because of the timeline. It just doesn't fit. He was in the navy 18 years before JFK's assassination and head of CIA 13 years after JFK's asssassination.
End of discussion for me on this.
I know this may not be the appropriate place for this topic but there is clear and conclusive evidence that Bush was behind the faking of the Moon Landing. The reason he got the CIA gig was to maintain the cover up.
I know this may not be the appropriate place for this topic but there is clear and conclusive evidence that Bush was behind the faking of the Moon Landing. The reason he got the CIA gig was to maintain the cover up.
George H.W. Bush to be buried in socks honoring ‘lifetime of service’
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-h-w-bush-to-be-buried-in-socks-honoring-lifetime-of-service (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-h-w-bush-to-be-buried-in-socks-honoring-lifetime-of-service)
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Like you did?
Sure.....like the time he called Christine Blasey Ford ‘credible,’ after her testimony. *****rollingeyes*****
@libertybele shhhhh! It's too late for them to get a refund on their bulk tinfoil purchase. 888mouth
George H.W. Bush to be buried in socks honoring ‘lifetime of service’
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-h-w-bush-to-be-buried-in-socks-honoring-lifetime-of-service (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-h-w-bush-to-be-buried-in-socks-honoring-lifetime-of-service)
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@txradioguy
@libertybele
@corbe
@bigheadfred
@Quix
@Sanguine
@Frank Cannon
@libertybele, please re-read the final paragraph of my previous post.
Then go back and carefully re-read the entire post, including the article that I linked in my post. I think I was being pretty clear, but you seem to have rushed through my post without a serious effort at understanding it.
Maybe you are so interested in defending GHWB's legacy that you can't grasp my point, but I'll bet others on this thread can.
Again, I am not concluding that GHWB surely was involved in the murder of JFK. But I am convinced that GHWB did lie to the Senate committee in his confirmation hearing a dozen years after the Bay of Pigs debacle. (Should he be condemned for that lie? Probably not. Lying is just what spooks do. And I think he lied because he was scared of having it revealed that he had been with the CIA in the era when Kennedy was murdered.)
Anyway, GHWB was quite evidently associated in some capacity with the CIA for more than two decades (from 1953 on) before he was appointed CIA Director in 1976. The article I linked, but which you evidently didn't read, makes a strong case for that association even without tying Zapata Offshore to Operation Zapata. But when we look at the Bay of Pigs debacle, we ought to ask ourselves why the CIA's Bay of Pigs invasion project wound up with the name Operation Zapata? I suspect it's because the main role that the CIA had in the Cuban refugees' military project was that of providing two large, industrial, civilian ships for the assault at the Bay of Pigs. This would readily account for the CIA project being dubbed Operation Zapata if the CIA had tapped GHWB to provide them from his inventory at Zapata Offshore.
And if GHWB was the former owner of the two ships--and a former Navy man himself--this would explain why a Mr. George Bush personally oversaw the delivery of the ships to Central America. Again, Operation Zapata was all about the ships that were to be used in the invasion attempt. The fact of the CIA's provision of the ships to the refugees was surely enshrouded in secrecy while it was ongoing, but the CIA had no particular reason at that time to make the source of the ships a Top Secret matter to hide it from later historians. (My point here is that neither the CIA of the 1960s nor GHWB himself had any inkling that GHWB would ever be nominated as CIA Director and that GHWB's association with the Bay of Pigs would become a matter of particularly serious embarrassment to GHWB [especially after the CIA, not necessarily including Bush himself, turned around and murdered JFK.])
If you are completely honest as you re-read and re-think my earlier post, my TBR friend, you should see that this speculative but plausible scenario ain't just a bunch of crazy suspicions from tinfoil hat guys. But you and one or two others on this thread have thus far seemed determined to treat it as such. Please relax.
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Finally, @libertybele, I need to point out that I stipulated in my most recent post that the ships used in Operation Zapata at the Bay of Pigs were not Navy vessels, so your comment that GHWB had been discharged from the Navy years earlier is completely irrelevant. Our USN had nothing to do with Operation Zapata other than possibly the effort of crewing the two vessels that were being delivered personally by a CIA agent named George Bush to the Cuban refugees in Central America. Please understand that. You have demonstrated to me that you were too agitated, too hurried to grasp what I was saying, plus what I was not saying. Again, please relax. It takes discipline to think through all of this sordid trail of serious suspicions. And you have to be willing to believe that a CIA agent in a situation of potentially serious embarrassment will lie under oath.
Of course, I say GHWB did lie about a very long association with the CIA.; I think his CIA background, likely dating all the way back to his graduation from Yale in 1948, is one of the two main reasons why he got the nomination for CIA Director. (The second reason was the ardent globalism that he tried to merge with his evidently very real but potentially misguided patriotism.)
George H.W. Bush to be buried in socks honoring ‘lifetime of service’
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-h-w-bush-to-be-buried-in-socks-honoring-lifetime-of-service (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-h-w-bush-to-be-buried-in-socks-honoring-lifetime-of-service)
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@the_doc - may I make a request? It is my opinion (and I'm sure some others here) that this thread should be about President Bush's death, memory and the funeral honoring him.
Can you start your own thread with your conspiracy theories and such, and leave this thread for information and discussion of the events coming?
Your posts are very long and boring for those of us who don't get into conspiracies (which have no bearing on real life), and many of us come here to see updates about historic events, which are now being obscured by your 'out-there' stuff.
Thanks so very much. :patriot:
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Damn. They let him out again?To borrow from the late Ronald Reagan, it's "not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
Damn. This country sure gets off on carting old geezers around the country when they die these days. Between Bush and McLame they should have enough posthumous frequent flier miles to take a great Acapulco vacation.
Very touching to watch...the time of day (dusk), the canons blasting right adjacent to city traffic...the pained look GWB and his wife. 8888crybaby
To borrow from the late Ronald Reagan, it's "not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
I do suspect that Bush would enjoy humoring, baiting and trolling guys like him, as he did quite a bit during his lifetime—I recall an anecdote where Bush acted like the government was hiding secrets about aliens (the non-Earth kinds) and the true believers still eat that soundbite right up.
@txradioguy
@libertybele
@corbe
@bigheadfred
@Quix
@Sanguine
@Frank Cannon
@libertybele, please re-read the final paragraph of my previous post.
Great memorial speech by Pence. Teared up at "Oh Beautiful" sung by choir. Just beautiful! This country should be proud and remember the great character of this man that brought such dignity and respect to the office of the presidency.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5974927929001/?#sp=show-clips
Naval Academy Chorus sang the Navy Hymn (Eternal Father Strong to Save by John B Dykes) at the Rotunda service.We attended an admiral's funeral at the USNA a few years ago and when everyone sang that hymn, I really lost it.
Touching.
We attended an admiral's funeral at the USNA a few years ago and when everyone sang that hymn, I really lost it.
You're a kookburger. Sincerely.
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@Freya happy77
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-iF_pkmSXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-iF_pkmSXo)
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-iF_pkmSXo#)
I just got a news alert the post office is closed on Wednesday along with the stock market.
Washington, DC (WCMH) - President Trump has issued a proclamation for the closing of executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government on December 5, 2018, in honor of George H.W. Bush.
The proclamation reads:
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/executive-order-closes-government-on-december-5-2018/1632665690 (https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/executive-order-closes-government-on-december-5-2018/1632665690)
What can we conclude from all this pious and sanctimonious blather???
For sure, the Bush fan club is easily impressed by breeding and manners,
rather than measurable achievement.
So what's next? Well day 1 will be his Beatification, followed by
Canonization on day 2 and then Sanctification on day 3.
What drives all this media manure, which even toddlers grasp!!!
Why, it's to create an image of a "glorious man" and then subconsciously
contrast him w/Trump, all the while screaming at voters:
SEE WHAT A SAINT BUSH WAS AND NOW YOU'VE SULLIED HIS
MEMORY AND DISGRACED YOURSELVES BY ELECTING TRUMP. FOR SHAME!!
Thanks for the affirmation @bigheadfred I always suspected their was a dope angle, but I think this is the wrong thread.
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Great pics you're posting @Right_in_Virginia -- thank you.
What can we conclude from all this pious and sanctimonious blather???Let's see:
For sure, the Bush fan club is easily impressed by breeding and manners,
rather than measurable achievement.
I was very touched by Trump saluting GHBush.... :crying:
CBS News
â€Verified account @CBSNews
George H.W. Bush was a World War II Navy pilot when he was shot down near Chichi Jima, Japan in 1944. This archival footage, released by his presidential library, shows a crew rescuing the future president. https://cbsn.ws/2Rqvvmj
(VIDEO AT TWEET)
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1068998166408830977
Great pics you're posting @Right_in_Virginia -- thank you.
I was very touched by Trump saluting GHBush.... :crying:
George H.W. Bush, a president with a complicated Jewish legacy, dies at 94
By Ron Kampeas December 1, 2018
WASHINGTON (JTA) – George H.W. Bush, the one-term president whose public grappling with Jewish leaders made headlines while his private interventions helped bring tens of thousands of Jews out of danger, has died.
...
“When you add up the Jews he saved, he will be a great tzaddik,†Abraham Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League’s former national director, said in 2013, using the Hebrew word for “righteous man.â€
Article: https://www.jta.org/2018/12/01/news-opinion/george-h-w-bush-xxxxx (https://www.jta.org/2018/12/01/news-opinion/george-h-w-bush-xxxxx)
“Saturday Night Live†this weekend paid tribute to former President George H.W. Bush, who died Friday night at the age of 94.
On the sketch comedy show's “Weekend Update†segment, hosts Michael Che and Colin Jost gave their “thoughts and condolences†to Bush’s family and friends.
“President Bush was famously a warm and gracious man who always understood the power of being able to laugh at yourself,†Jost said.
@txradioguy
@libertybele
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@bigheadfred
@Quix
@Sanguine
@Frank Cannon
@libertybele, please re-read the final paragraph of my previous post.
Then go back and carefully re-read the entire post, including the article that I linked in my post. I think I was being pretty clear, but you seem to have rushed through my post without a serious effort at understanding it.
Maybe you are so interested in defending GHWB's legacy that you can't grasp my point, but I'll bet others on this thread can.
Again, I am not concluding that GHWB surely was involved in the murder of JFK. But I am convinced that GHWB did lie to the Senate committee in his confirmation hearing a dozen years after the Bay of Pigs debacle. (Should he be condemned for that lie? Probably not. Lying is just what spooks do. And I think he lied because he was scared of having it revealed that he had been with the CIA in the era when Kennedy was murdered.)
[snip]
Of course, I say GHWB did lie about a very long association with the CIA.; I think his CIA background, likely dating all the way back to his graduation from Yale in 1948, is one of the two main reasons why he got the nomination for CIA Director. (The second reason was the ardent globalism that he tried to merge with his evidently very real but potentially misguided patriotism.)
***suicide***
No I don't think it was a suicide. I think he died because he was just too damn old.
George H.W. Bush penned letter on character, family, faith to friend after 9/11
Alexandria Rodriguez, Corpus Christi Caller Times Published 8:12 p.m. CT Dec. 3, 2018 | Updated 8:29 p.m. CT Dec. 3, 2018
Melvyn N. Klein walked down a hallway decorated with framed movie posters and photos inside the Wells Fargo Tower in downtown Corpus Christi.
He took a right and then a left before he came to a stop.
He stared at a framed, handwritten letter next to a Caller-Times column he had penned in December 2001, about three months after the devastating attacks of Sept. 11.
More: https://www.caller.com/story/news/local/2018/12/03/george-h-w-bush-penned-letter-character-family-faith-after-9-11/2197786002/ (https://www.caller.com/story/news/local/2018/12/03/george-h-w-bush-penned-letter-character-family-faith-after-9-11/2197786002/)
I don't really care to get into extended discussions about GHWB. I will merely note:
1. Folks who are skeptical about GHWB being in Dallas at the time of JFK's murder would do well to search for LBJ's Mistress' youtube interviews. They are long, detailed and, imho, very convincing.
2. The Bush family was affirmed by a Congressional investigation to have helped fund Hitler and insure his success.
3. I believe his purported statement about "IF THE PUBLIC EVER FOUND OUT WHAT WE'D DONE, THEY'D CHASE US DOWN THE STREET AND HANG US FROM THE LIGHT POLES." I believe that was a true statement that he made in a public interview and that he meant every word of it for good traitorous globalist reason.
4. I think he was a perfect globalist CIA head and member very sold out to the globalists' satanic goals.
5. I think it's nice he loved dogs. I think it's nice he could be kind to low ranking first responders etc. I think it's great he did some great stuff in WWII.
6. Nevertheless, I would not trust him with much and certainly not with the health & future of the Republic. Did I vote for him? Sure. What other real choice was there?
7. I think all this sweet hoopla at his death is almost nauseating. I consider him a chief traitor to the Republic and to our founding values.
8. I think there's plenty of truth about GHWB on the net. It is not all false or even that questionable.
Bush was a lefty and even went to live in communist China for two solid years. Texas displays a lot of characteriatics of communism, as does all of the American south. I keep waiting for it to break down and declare itself a communist state. He sympathized with many leftist people and exhibited those sort of qualities. But when your whole life is dedicated to serving a Federalist government entity such as the D.C. you gotta be sort of leftist to get that far and make it that big. You said Bush was there when JFK was shot and I think perhaps he knew what happened perhaps he didn't. In light of his deeds as a government agent and the things he accomplished for freedom and western society, all the commie stuff aside, I say he deserves a certain degree of respectful rememberance. And this is coming from a person he and Bush Jr. personally flucked to the point of no return. I'll give him that.
What communistic characteristics does Texas display, exactly? @Skeptic
Texas ain't the "American south". Maybe parts of East Texas.
Well, that's sort of complex to answer and of course like anything, there are exceptions. First of all you got huge prefectures and the manner in which cities like Houston are built. During the cold war when D.C. blacklisted all those commies in the 50s and 60s a large majority of them were from southern states, mostly California and Texas. You got the large criminal complexes and police-state like way that things are run. You see it in the architecture where plantations resemble commune structures of the USSR in both shape and style. Then you've got of course their history of making people work for free which is the ultimate give away that you are a communist. Of course, the communist agenda of the south isn't a quality they let the world so easily see but as an outsider from the world of true freedom you can definitely see it plain as paint on a barn.
For every billionaire tycoon in Texas you got 250,000 communists and it isn't just because they're poor, its in their blood, rich or not.
Oh you're gonna be a fun one I can tell already.
So much BS in one little paragraph.
Do you have a link to back up any of it...especially where the you said the majority of the Communists were from California and Texas?
The blacklisting information I learned from reading some books years ago. Most of my knowledge is from books, not the internet. I'm sure there's probably some information about the cold war on Google.
That ain't BS.
I'm not talking about the black listing. I'm talking about your specious claim as to where most of the Communists in the U.S. come from.
Cite your source on that. You made the claim now back it up.
And it appears that your claim about "history of making people work for free which is the ultimate give away that you are a communist" Could have come straight from the AFL-CIO website. They hate right to work states that don't require workers to join a union to work in a particular field.
Texas happens to be one of those. Hence the reason you make your false claim that people work for "free".
Cut and paste propaganda doesn't make you smart...just makes you vapid.
No it's a giant steaming pile of BS.
"Texas ain't the "American south". Maybe parts of East Texas."@Sanguine
The most important part of my "claim" is being investigated right now under the Trump administration and being quietly taken care of with a light cover-up. A lot of folks don't know it outside of certain parts of Texas but there was a meltdown following Hurricane Harvey that nearly plunged that area into a civil war and a lot of people got screwed when their tight lip secretive communist operations fell apart. It's a bad sitchiashun and it all stems from this communist-like culture that has boiled in repression in the deep south, particularly parts of New Mexico and Texas. Not everything makes the news and D.C. doesn't tell the public everything that's going on. And you should remember that the internet doesn't have everything you need to know on it.
Okay, folks, there are other places more appropriate for arguments about the Bay of Pigs, Texas communists (or not) and any number of other conspiracies. This thread is not that place. Thank you for understanding.
The blacklisting information I learned from reading some books years ago. Most of my knowledge is from books, not the internet. I'm sure there's probably some information about the cold war on Google.
That ain't BS.
Okay, folks, there are other places more appropriate for arguments about the Bay of Pigs, Texas communists (or not) and any number of other conspiracies. This thread is not that place. Thank you for understanding.
The blacklisting information I learned from reading some books years ago. Most of my knowledge is from books, not the internet. I'm sure there's probably some information about the cold war on Google.
That ain't BS.
Did you know that many of those accused of being communists during the McCarthy era were never proven to be? McCarthy may have started out with good intentions, but he went overboard.
Thanks.
I was about to give up on this thread as "Lost in the weeds forever" and go elsewhere for news about President Bush's funeral.
I may still do that, but I appreciate the effort to keep it from getting even further derailed (if that is even possible). :shrug:
@Quix
As for the claim that the Bush family provided support for Hitler -- I didn't find any substantiation. If you have proof (the actual congressional findings), can you post it?
@Applewood @Quix
CNN’s Chris Cuomo paid tribute to former President George H.W. Bush on Monday night, following his death at the age of 94 on Friday.
And although the “Cuomo Prime Time†host didn’t mention Donald Trump by name, his eulogy acted as a blistering critique of the current White House.
Chris Cuomo’s Eulogy For George H.W. Bush Serves As Scalding Takedown Of Trump
Texas displays a lot of characteriatics of communism, as does all of the American south.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,342661.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,342661.0.html)
The official schedule to honor President George H.W. Bush
The most important part of my "claim" is being investigated right now under the Trump administration and being quietly taken care of with a light cover-up. A lot of folks don't know it outside of certain parts of Texas but there was a meltdown following Hurricane Harvey that nearly plunged that area into a civil war and a lot of people got screwed when their tight lip secretive communist operations fell apart. It's a bad sitchiashun and it all stems from this communist-like culture that has boiled in repression in the deep south, particularly parts of New Mexico and Texas. Not everything makes the news and D.C. doesn't tell the public everything that's going on. And you should remember that the internet doesn't have everything you need to know on it.
Let's see:-------------------------------------
* He was the Navy's youngest such when commissioned as an aviator.
* He flew 58 combat missions in World War II, earning three Air Medals and a Distinguished Flying Cross.
* He was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate from Yale.
* After working a few years as a salesman in oil, he co-founded a successful oil company.
* He chaired the Republican National Committee and worked to defend the party when Richard Nixon's Watergate culpabilities threatened the party itself, even as he had to become one of the top Republicans to tell Nixon resignation was his best course.
* He ran the CIA for a year and was credited with restoring the agency's morale (huge in the wake of the Church Committee hearings) before handing off to E. Henry Kinoche, who handed off to Stansfield Turner.
* He did prosecute Operation Desert Storm itself successfully and swiftly, on the terms he laid out for it, after building its support coalition.
* He didn't exactly put the Cold War in its grave (Ronald Reagan dug the grave) but he was smart enough not to move too many muscles as the Soviet Empire and most of the Communist world collapsed at last. Most of us could think of others who'd have botched the job.
It doesn't equal beatification, canonisation, or sanctification to grant Bush his due as a genuinely decent man who wasn't a truly great president, was too often malleable as a politician, and thought absolutely nothing as regards the continuing metastasis of the State (he was anything but a man who believed in limited government and would probably have been stuck for an answer if you asked him the distinction between a properly-construed government and the improperly consecrated State), but to suggest he had no measurable achievement in his life is disingenuous. In and of itself, all things considered, it's achievement itself to remain a decent man in a profession as indecent as politics.