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Title: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘Ther
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 06:58:54 pm
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Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘There’s no way to spin this’

The IndependentOctober 5, 2019, 5:14 AM PDT

Tucker Carlson has criticised Donald Trump for encouraging Ukraine to investigate his 2020 rival Joe Biden in a rare break from his staunch support for the president.

Mr Carlson, who is one of Fox News’ leading presenters, fell short of backing impeachment in an op-ed on Friday but admitted that Mr Trump should not have raised the prospect of an investigation into Mr Biden and his son Hunter.

“Donald Trump should not have been on the phone with a foreign head of state encouraging another country to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden,” he said.

“Some Republicans are trying, but there’s no way to spin this as a good idea.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-tucker-carlson-turns-081704846.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-tucker-carlson-turns-081704846.html)

I think this is a very bad sign.  Tucker has always been a staunch supporter of Trump. 
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2019, 07:13:53 pm
This is hilarious.

We've just come off a three year 50 million dollar investigation featuring text message admissions, bogus FISA warrants, spying on US citizens, trumped up charges & very selective prosecutions, etc, based upon NO evidence at all and which came to absolutely nothing; and now here we are, wringing our hands because Trump phoned a foreign leader and asked him to investigate the genesis of that same fake scandal as well as a corruption charge in as much as admitted to on videotape by the former VP.

The left must just knock themselves out laughing at us.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2019, 07:31:28 pm
I think the timing could have been better.  Should have gone after Biden from the get-go, but now it has the optics of attacking a political rival. 
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 07:38:54 pm
I think the timing could have been better.  Should have gone after Biden from the get-go, but now it has the optics of attacking a political rival.


There is such a thing as rising above a situation.  I would have respect for the president but if this is about vengeance there is a very real and good Bible scripture.

Romans 12:16-20 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the LORD. 20On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

So my opinion of the situation is that Trump believes he has been wronged and he is taking this political season to take vengeance.  I think a person of good character would do as the text above suggests and rise above it.  Not doing wrong but proving his character.


Donald Trump's favorite Bible verse is one Jesus specifically repudiated

n the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21, Buzzfeed reported.
“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.


“You have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other,” Jesus says in the famous sermon Matthew 5.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-one-jesus-specif/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-one-jesus-specif/)
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2019, 07:41:03 pm
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Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 07:44:27 pm
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Trump was cleared of the Russia collusion.  He should drop it.  But he won't because that isn't the kind of person he is.  The Democrats could destroy themselves but I think Trump is giving them fuel to their fire.  Unfortunate.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2019, 07:49:43 pm
I think the timing could have been better.  Should have gone after Biden from the get-go, but now it has the optics of attacking a political rival.

F the optics!  Let's have the FACTS!
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2019, 07:51:09 pm
Trump was cleared of the Russia collusion.  He should drop it.  But he won't because that isn't the kind of person he is.  The Democrats could destroy themselves but I think Trump is giving them fuel to their fire.  Unfortunate.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Laws were broken. Lots of them. If someone does not pursue justice - if one side feels unconstrained and free to do whatever the hell they like to acquire power and use their official capacities to grow rich, without mainstream media oversight - then we as a nation are cooked.




Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Absalom on October 05, 2019, 07:56:45 pm
Wise mothers 'know' their children and Anne McLeod,
a Scottish Gael, well understood the Donald.
As he ages, his instability, rages and tantrums multiply.
His fan club will conjure up any and all excuses; no
matter as this will not end well. Carlson said 2 + 2 = 4!!!
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2019, 07:59:45 pm
You couldn't be more wrong.

Laws were broken. Lots of them. If someone does not pursue justice - if one side feels unconstrained and free to do whatever the hell they like to acquire power and use their official capacities to grow rich, without mainstream media oversight - then we as a nation are cooked.

 :amen: [  :patriot:
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 08:01:25 pm
You couldn't be more wrong.

Laws were broken. Lots of them. If someone does not pursue justice - if one side feels unconstrained and free to do whatever the hell they like to acquire power and use their official capacities to grow rich, without mainstream media oversight - then we as a nation are cooked.

Timing and motivation.  It shouldn't be the President, especially during a presidential campaign.  It should be intelligence investigating what happened with the Russia investigation.  The Presidents job is to represent The United States of America.  Investigation to unlawful things done should not be done by the President, Congress or the media.  It belongs to FBI and the Justice Departments to identify laws broken.

Because right now this is being used to gain support for a campaign.  I don't care who else said it.  I don't read liberal news talking points.  That is my own opinion.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Bigun on October 05, 2019, 08:04:17 pm
Timing and motivation.  It shouldn't be the President, especially during a presidential campaign.  It should be intelligence investigating what happened with the Russia investigation.  The Presidents job is to represent The United States of America.  Investigation to unlawful things done should not be done by the President, Congress or the media.  It belongs to FBI and the Justice Departments to identify laws broken.

Yeah!  Right!  Apparently you are living in a cave somewhere and haven't a clue what this is all about.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 08:06:43 pm
Yeah!  Right!  Apparently you are living in a cave somewhere and haven't a clue what this is all about.

Only in this cave.  If the intelligence and Justice department is broken that is what Trumps job is.  To appoint people that will fulfill their duty according to United States law based on the United States Constitution.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2019, 08:12:05 pm
F the optics!  Let's have the FACTS!

Indeed we do!  I want them ALL trotted out, starting with the Fab Four:  Comey, Brennan, Clapper and McCabe.  Heads on pikes, then we start digging out the Strozks and Pages.  Rinse and repeat until that particular swamp gets drained.  Once the DoJ mess gets cleaned up, the rest will be easier. 
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 08:17:15 pm
Indeed we do!  I want them ALL trotted out, starting with the Fab Four:  Comey, Brennan, Clapper and McCabe.  Heads on pikes, then we start digging out the Strozks and Pages.  Rinse and repeat until that particular swamp gets drained.  Once the DoJ mess gets cleaned up, the rest will be easier.

But its Hunter Biden.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: libertybele on October 05, 2019, 08:22:27 pm

There is such a thing as rising above a situation.  I would have respect for the president but if this is about vengeance there is a very real and good Bible scripture.

Romans 12:16-20 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the LORD. 20On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

So my opinion of the situation is that Trump believes he has been wronged and he is taking this political season to take vengeance.  I think a person of good character would do as the text above suggests and rise above it.  Not doing wrong but proving his character.


Donald Trump's favorite Bible verse is one Jesus specifically repudiated

n the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21, Buzzfeed reported.
“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.


“You have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other,” Jesus says in the famous sermon Matthew 5.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-one-jesus-specif/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-one-jesus-specif/)

Romans 12:16-20 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the LORD. 20On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

Thank you @Chosen Daughter   --- this Bible verse is exactly what I needed today :)
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 05, 2019, 08:24:58 pm
But its Hunter Biden.

A side-show AFAIC.  Any Biden is small potatoes when Brennan is being allowed to walk free, and sic "his" CIA agent dog-whistleblowers on the President at will.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 08:33:26 pm
Romans 12:16-20 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the LORD. 20On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

Thank you @Chosen Daughter   --- this Bible verse is exactly what I needed today :)

Me too!   :amen:
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: roamer_1 on October 05, 2019, 08:43:04 pm
Indeed we do!  I want them ALL trotted out, starting with the Fab Four:  Comey, Brennan, Clapper and McCabe.  Heads on pikes, then we start digging out the Strozks and Pages.  Rinse and repeat until that particular swamp gets drained.  Once the DoJ mess gets cleaned up, the rest will be easier.

Vengeance is a dish best served cold.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: PeteS in CA on October 05, 2019, 08:44:16 pm
Being a candidate for the Presidency does not immunize Biden from being investigated for corruption. And it was his own boast that all but proved he acted corruptly.

As for dropping it after being cleared of the Trump-Russia Collusion Delusion, why? The civil rights of members of his 2016 campaign were violated by means of a fraudulently obtained FISA warrant. Every damned person in whatever government agency that knowingly helped perpetrate that fraud needs to be kicked out of government, and preferably into prison. That's called justice. Otherwise they will do it again, more frequently and more blatantly.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2019, 08:52:52 pm
Being a candidate for the Presidency does not immunize Biden from being investigated for corruption. And it was his own boast that all but proved he acted corruptly.

As for dropping it after being cleared of the Trump-Russia Collusion Delusion, why? The civil rights of members of his 2016 campaign were violated by means of a fraudulently obtained FISA warrant. Every damned person in whatever government agency that knowingly helped perpetrate that fraud needs to be kicked out of government, and preferably into prison. That's called justice. Otherwise they will do it again, more frequently and more blatantly.

Given what we can see at this point I can't fathom why anyone would think the best course is to walk away from all of the obvious rat lawbreaking, let alone try to claim the moral high ground for suggesting such.

If they're right then why punish anyone for breaking any law? Just heap hot coals on their heads by refusing to prosecute them. Its so ludicrous I'm almost inclined to believe those suggesting this aren't being entirely honest about their motives.

Especially when just a few short months ago these same posters were likely tsk tsk-ing Trump over 'Russia Collusion'.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on October 05, 2019, 09:20:01 pm
Vengeance is a dish best served cold.

But not too cold.  I hate it when I'm serving vengeance, and then I get that freezing sensation right up my sinuses that turns into brain freeze.  Not only does it sting like a beach, but it's hard to keep the proper vengeance scowl going when my face twists up.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: bilo on October 05, 2019, 09:42:43 pm
All this hand wringing over a POTUS doing his job is silly. The reason the Rats are running around with their hair on fire is we are on the verge of seeing how massive their money laundering schemes are that have been enriching their family and friends.

We not only know that Hunter Biden was paid off and Kerry's step son but also Pelosi's son is involved in the energy business in Ukraine. It won't surprise me in the least to learn that a portion of the foreign aid we snt to Ukraine was funneled to these companies and used to pay off the sons of our political "aristocrats".
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 09:56:23 pm
Given what we can see at this point I can't fathom why anyone would think the best course is to walk away from all of the obvious rat lawbreaking, let alone try to claim the moral high ground for suggesting such.

If they're right then why punish anyone for breaking any law? Just heap hot coals on their heads by refusing to prosecute them. Its so ludicrous I'm almost inclined to believe those suggesting this aren't being entirely honest about their motives.

Especially when just a few short months ago these same posters were likely tsk tsk-ing Trump over 'Russia Collusion'.

What we have a Justice Department for.  They should investigate and prosecute all people who broke the law.  Even at the direction of the President.  but he should stay out of it. 
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2019, 10:01:05 pm
What we have a Justice Department for.  They should investigate and prosecute all people who broke the law.  Even at the direction of the President.  but he should stay out of it.
What happened to Romans 12?
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: catfish1957 on October 05, 2019, 10:03:55 pm
What is funny, is watch the upcoming tweet or comment from Trump turning on Tucker Carlson like a junk yard dog.

His m.o. is so predictable.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 05, 2019, 10:27:25 pm
What happened to Romans 12?

Romans 12 is about vengeance.  The justice Department is to carry out Constitutional Law and make sure justice is served.  But the President thinks he needs to do it all.  But he is giving them fuel for their fire.  Done correctly there is no controversy.  No reason to call for impeachment.  Just a Justice Department carrying out their duties.

Trump should be resting right now knowing that the Mueller investigation left him innocent.  That is not to say that investigations into corruption concerning the Mueller Investigation shouldn't take place.  They should, but by the Justice Department.

I can't help that he is making it sound like political motivation and personal vengeance. 
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 05, 2019, 10:37:22 pm
Romans 12 is about vengeance.  The justice Department is to carry out Constitutional Law and make sure justice is served.  But the President thinks he needs to do it all.  But he is giving them fuel for their fire.  Done correctly there is no controversy.  No reason to call for impeachment.  Just a Justice Department carrying out their duties.

Trump should be resting right now knowing that the Mueller investigation left him innocent.  That is not to say that investigations into corruption concerning the Mueller Investigation shouldn't take place.  They should, but by the Justice Department.

I can't help that he is making it sound like political motivation and personal vengeance.

If Trump waits for the departments who, either actively or passively, have been trying to get him out of office for the past three years to see justice done he will probably be waiting long past the point he leaves office.

As for the AG Barr he's very busy right now.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: TomSea on October 05, 2019, 11:31:14 pm
And what about all of that about draining the swamp??

Biden told that CFR (Counsel for Foreign Relations) that he got that guy fired.

He made a big deal out of it and maybe you just can't ignore it, in a way, it's a dare even.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 06, 2019, 12:00:02 am
And what about all of that about draining the swamp??

Biden told that CFR (Counsel for Foreign Relations) that he got that guy fired.

He made a big deal out of it and maybe you just can't ignore it, in a way, it's a dare even.

Especially when they know that Trump will immediately take to twitter with his silly names and taunts like a child.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 06, 2019, 12:00:49 am
If Trump waits for the departments who, either actively or passively, have been trying to get him out of office for the past three years to see justice done he will probably be waiting long past the point he leaves office.

As for the AG Barr he's very busy right now.

Too busy huh?  Backup to the rescue.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: XenaLee on October 06, 2019, 12:06:22 am
If Trump waits for the departments who, either actively or passively, have been trying to get him out of office for the past three years to see justice done he will probably be waiting long past the point he leaves office.

As for the AG Barr he's very busy right now.

Is he?   Busy doing what?   Anything that might finally bring some justice?  That has yet to be proven.   Could be... he's very busy looking busy.   Guess time (much more time) will tell.  I'm thinking they're waiting till Christmas.  Hopefully it's Christmas of THIS year.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Sanguine on October 06, 2019, 12:24:29 am
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I think this is a very bad sign.  Tucker has always been a staunch supporter of Trump.

Tucker has been very balanced on Trump.  He has not been a one-note Trump supporter.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2019, 12:36:48 am
Tucker has been very balanced on Trump.  He has not been a one-note Trump supporter.

Anybody who's a frequent watcher of Carlson knows that.  He's no Trumpet.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 06, 2019, 12:46:53 am
Too busy huh?  Backup to the rescue.

Yeah apparently he’s talking to folks in Italy, Australia, etc. not sure what ‘backup to the rescue’ means.  We shall see what he comes up with. What ever it is I’m sure you’ll be delighted.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Chosen Daughter on October 06, 2019, 04:44:20 am
Yeah apparently he’s talking to folks in Italy, Australia, etc. not sure what ‘backup to the rescue’ means.  We shall see what he comes up with. What ever it is I’m sure you’ll be delighted.

Meaning Barr is to busy so Trump must do it.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Bigun on October 06, 2019, 02:32:59 pm
Meaning Barr is to busy so Trump must do it.

He's busy enough to have Democrats crapping on one hock and kicking it off on the other! (https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1179844175799488512?fbclid=IwAR3ZrEzzzNujrZocZCArhRJ9sgDucl7UkbOf8Ojm0k2vSm0e16_yQra8w8I)

@skeeter @EdJames @Sanguine @The Ghost @Cyber Liberty @XenaLee
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 06, 2019, 02:37:28 pm
Meaning Barr is to busy so Trump must do it.

You think Trump should leave it up to the FBI and CIA. Got it.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: XenaLee on October 06, 2019, 02:37:43 pm
He's busy enough to have Democrats crapping on one hock and kicking it off on the other! (https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1179844175799488512?fbclid=IwAR3ZrEzzzNujrZocZCArhRJ9sgDucl7UkbOf8Ojm0k2vSm0e16_yQra8w8I)

@skeeter @EdJames @Sanguine @The Ghost @Cyber Liberty @XenaLee

Pardon my skepticism.... but.....  I need to see results.   Pretend I'm from Missouri.   Show me.   333cleo
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 06, 2019, 02:48:04 pm
I can't help that he is making it sound like political motivation and personal vengeance.


Well, this morning, full vengeance is mine.....


(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/KoZNRvHxIYFyMr3nEKS1_w--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz02MDA-/https://www.theroasterie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/IMG_3550-z-1024x683.jpg.cf.jpg)


https://www.theroasterie.com/coffee/dark-line/full-vengeance-dark-blend (https://www.theroasterie.com/coffee/dark-line/full-vengeance-dark-blend)
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Sanguine on October 06, 2019, 02:55:58 pm
He's busy enough to have Democrats crapping on one hock and kicking it off on the other! (https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1179844175799488512?fbclid=IwAR3ZrEzzzNujrZocZCArhRJ9sgDucl7UkbOf8Ojm0k2vSm0e16_yQra8w8I)

@skeeter @EdJames @Sanguine @The Ghost @Cyber Liberty @XenaLee

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Wingnut on October 06, 2019, 03:05:56 pm
He's busy enough to have Democrats crapping on one hock and kicking it off on the other! (https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1179844175799488512?fbclid=IwAR3ZrEzzzNujrZocZCArhRJ9sgDucl7UkbOf8Ojm0k2vSm0e16_yQra8w8I)

@skeeter @EdJames @Sanguine @The Ghost @Cyber Liberty @XenaLee

Steppin and catchin!
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: skeeter on October 06, 2019, 03:15:42 pm
He's busy enough to have Democrats crapping on one hock and kicking it off on the other! (https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1179844175799488512?fbclid=IwAR3ZrEzzzNujrZocZCArhRJ9sgDucl7UkbOf8Ojm0k2vSm0e16_yQra8w8I)

@skeeter @EdJames @Sanguine @The Ghost @Cyber Liberty @XenaLee

I'm not a cowpoke but I think I know what that means.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 06, 2019, 03:17:51 pm
Tucker has been very balanced on Trump.  He has not been a one-note Trump supporter.


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9:05 PM - 4 Oct 2019
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Bigun on October 06, 2019, 03:22:04 pm
I'm not a cowpoke but I think I know what that means.

LOL!  Just read what's at the link and you'll get the picture!   wink777
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: jpsb on October 06, 2019, 03:25:17 pm

There is such a thing as rising above a situation.  I would have respect for the president but if this is about vengeance there is a very real and good Bible scripture.


@Chosen Daughter

Can you explain why an energy company in the Ukraine would pay Hunter Beden nearly $90,000 a MONTH to be on it's board. Recalling that Hunter Beden has zero experience in energy and zero knowledge of the Ukraine. Oh and this was shortly after the U.S. Navy booted him out for using cocaine.  So Chosen, why did they hire Hunter?

I am looking forward to reading your answer.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Bigun on October 06, 2019, 03:28:11 pm
@Chosen Daughter

Can you explain why an energy company in the Ukraine would pay Hunter Beden nearly $90,000 a MONTH to be on it's board. Recalling that Hunter Beden has zero experience in energy and zero knowledge of the Ukraine. Oh and this was shortly after the U.S. Navy booted him out for using cocaine.  So Chosen, why did they hire Hunter?

I am looking forward to reading your answer.

Well, one thing is for certain! It didn't have a damned thing to do with the fact that Hunter's dad was Vice-President at the time!  /S
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: jpsb on October 06, 2019, 03:30:50 pm
Timing and motivation.  It shouldn't be the President, especially during a presidential campaign.  It should be intelligence investigating what happened with the Russia investigation. 

You mean the Intelligence community that has been plotting against him since before he was elected? That Intelligence Community?

 :bigsilly:

Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 06, 2019, 03:32:39 pm
Here's the rest of what Carlson and Patel had to say .....


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Tucker And Patel: The Truth About Impeachment
Daily Caller, Oct 3, 2019, Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel

[...]

The key question with Trump’s Ukraine call, though, is whether the president’s actions, advisable or not, rise to the level of an impeachable offense. It’s hard to argue they do. The president did not, as was first reported, offer a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians. He did not condition any U.S. support on a Biden investigation. The Justice Department has already looked at the totality of the call and determined that Trump did not break the law.

Nancy Pelosi has been right all these months when she’s repeatedly said that to be legitimate, impeachment must be bipartisan. Anything less would tear apart our country, she said. In this area, Pelosi is echoing the sentiment a senator expressed during the Clinton impeachment process:

“While the founders included impeachment powers in the Constitution, they were concerned by the potential partisan abuse. We should be no less aware of the dangers of partisanship. As we have seen, the process functions best when there is a broad bipartisan consensus behind moving ahead. The country is not well served when either policy disagreements or personal animosities drive the process.”

Those words ring true today. They were set forth in 1998 by then-Sen. Joe Biden.

Impeaching a president is the most extreme and anti-democratic remedy we have in our system of government. A fundamental cornerstone of our entire system is to respect the will of the voters. The American people elected Trump president of the United States, though a huge part of our political class has never been able to stomach it. They think Trump is unfit to be our president. They definitely don’t want to address seriously the issues that drove voters to the radical step of voting in Trump as our president — issues such as income inequality, economic stagnation and our broken immigration system. It’s easier to pretend that this was all the result of a few Russian Facebook ads or because the same American people who had just elected Barack Obama somehow transformed overnight into a bunch of racists.

The truth is there’s a large part of the left — and some never-Trumpers on the right — who never accepted Trump’s election and have wanted him impeached from the start. The Washington Post ran a piece headlined “The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun” on Jan. 20, 2017 — inauguration day. Talk about no honeymoon — and no respect for America’s voters.

Concerns about the political nature of what we’re seeing were exacerbated when we learned the so-called whistleblower who reported Trump’s Ukraine call was in touch with Rep. Adam Schiff — the Democrats’ lead on impeachment — even before he came forward to the public with his charges. Privately colluding with the staff of some of Trump’s biggest political opponents? That seems a little partisan for a good government whistleblower. It also seems pretty clear that Schiff was dishonest when he went on TV and directly denied prior contact with the whistleblower. None of this means Schiff should be removed from office, but by the standards he’s setting, he certainly could be.

A lot of people in Washington — in both parties — aren’t Trump fans. They complain that Trump doesn’t act the way most presidents act, that his attacks against his opponents are not presidential, that he lacks the requisite political experience and has hired some truly horrible staffers. There may be truth to some of that. Trump has certainly shaken up Washington. His supporters would argue that’s exactly what they wanted him to do. This is a legitimate debate worth having. Fortunately, America’s founders set up a pretty good system to have just this sort of debate every four years: It’s called an election. The next one’s already started. The facts are out there for the American people to weigh as they make their decision. How about we let them sort all this out? There’s no need to come up with thin excuses for a purely partisan impeachment process when we have an election right around the corner.


More:  https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/tucker-and-patel-truth-about-impeachment/

Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Mesaclone on October 06, 2019, 03:52:36 pm
@Chosen Daughter

Can you explain why an energy company in the Ukraine would pay Hunter Beden nearly $90,000 a MONTH to be on it's board. Recalling that Hunter Beden has zero experience in energy and zero knowledge of the Ukraine. Oh and this was shortly after the U.S. Navy booted him out for using cocaine.  So Chosen, why did they hire Hunter?

I am looking forward to reading your answer.

@Chosen Daughter

While you're at it, Chosen, answer these 2 questions as well:

How many times has a Vice President of the United States literally blackmailed (with a billion dollars) another nation into firing its own top prosecutor?

Considering jpsb's question and my own, how in the hell could ANY President NOT ask the nation in question to investigate such clear corruption that reaches and apparently stems from...quite literally...the American White House?


For the record, my guess is that Chosen will ignore or deflect from all 3 of these questions...but we shall patiently hope otherwise until that occurs.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 06, 2019, 04:25:27 pm
How many times has a Vice President of the United States literally blackmailed (with a billion dollars) another nation into firing its own top prosecutor?

Considering jpsb's question and my own, how in the hell could ANY President NOT ask the nation in question to investigate such clear corruption that reaches and apparently stems from...quite literally...the American White House?


It didn't involve foreign entities, but there was that little incident where VP Agnew used political pressure to stop an investigation, which eventually led to his resignation. Subsequent events did not work out so well for the president, at that time, either.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: EdJames on October 06, 2019, 04:29:22 pm
He's busy enough to have Democrats crapping on one hock and kicking it off on the other! (https://twitter.com/billpascrell/status/1179844175799488512?fbclid=IwAR3ZrEzzzNujrZocZCArhRJ9sgDucl7UkbOf8Ojm0k2vSm0e16_yQra8w8I)

@skeeter @EdJames @Sanguine @The Ghost @Cyber Liberty @XenaLee

Indeed.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2019, 05:15:07 pm

It didn't involve foreign entities, but there was that little incident where VP Agnew used political pressure to stop an investigation, which eventually led to his resignation. Subsequent events did not work out so well for the president, at that time, either.

Inaccurate: Spiro Agnew resigned after pleading "No Contest" to tax evasion charges while he was Governor of Maryland.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 06, 2019, 05:38:28 pm
Inaccurate: Spiro Agnew resigned after pleading "No Contest" to tax evasion charges while he was Governor of Maryland.


Which was a plea bargain, stemming from the original investigation into racketeering.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2019, 05:42:07 pm

Which was a plea bargain, stemming from the original investigation into racketeering.

However you wish to frame history.  21st Century eyes glaze over at the name "Agnew," so you're free to assign whatever meaning you wish, just don't expect old farts who were political spectators in 1974 to buy into it.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 06, 2019, 06:02:04 pm
However you wish to frame history.


It's just history, not my view of it. The Nixon appointed US Attorney, George Beall, started investigating political corruption, in Maryland. Agnew was involved, pressured Beall to stop, and opened that can of worms.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2019, 06:10:27 pm

It's just history, not my view of it. The Nixon appointed US Attorney, George Beall, started investigating political corruption, in Maryland. Agnew was involved, pressured Beall to stop, and opened that can of worms.

OK, you made the point:  A hallmark of Republican leadership is corruption.  Thank God we have Democrats to keep the political system honest!
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 06, 2019, 06:29:57 pm
OK, you made the point:  A hallmark of Republican leadership is corruption.  Thank God we have Democrats to keep the political system honest!


Yeah - that's exactly what I meant.   *****rollingeyes*****

Few people doubt the Clintons were neck deep in the corruption around Madison, Whitewater, illegal campaign contributions, their foundation, and who knows what else. Whether that is out of loyalty or fear, they just happen to have stronger associations and allies.

Some believe Starr went too far in his investigation, then ginned up the Lewinsky affair. Nevertheless, nothing was investigated that the Clinton appointed AG didn't allow. Clinton committed and suborned perjury, along with obstructing justice. He should have been removed.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2019, 07:10:58 pm

Yeah - that's exactly what I meant.   *****rollingeyes*****

Few people doubt the Clintons were neck deep in the corruption around Madison, Whitewater, illegal campaign contributions, their foundation, and who knows what else. Whether that is out of loyalty or fear, they just happen to have stronger associations and allies.

Some believe Starr went too far in his investigation, then ginned up the Lewinsky affair. Nevertheless, nothing was investigated that the Clinton appointed AG didn't allow. Clinton committed and suborned perjury, along with obstructing justice. He should have been removed.

I think using the proven corruption in the Rat party makes for a poor template for judging Republicans.  Every time somebody makes a reference to Rat corruption, you are very quick to find Pubbie corruption to match and excuse the Rats.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 06, 2019, 07:33:16 pm
I think using the proven corruption in the Rat party makes for a poor template for judging Republicans.  Every time somebody makes a reference to Rat corruption, you are very quick to find Pubbie corruption to match and excuse the Rats.


A question was posed as to when a VP had done something similar. That was the most recent example. The fact that Agnew was a Republican is incidental. If I were some kind of mole or had ulterior motives, I could’ve dug up the nonsensical crap the left tried to pin on Cheney and Halliburton, during the Iraq War.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2019, 07:49:51 pm

A question was posed as to when a VP had done something similar. That was the most recent example. The fact that Agnew was a Republican is incidental. If I were some kind of mole or had ulterior motives, I could’ve dug up the nonsensical crap the left tried to pin on Cheney and Halliburton, during the Iraq War.

Fair enough!   :beer:
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: Mesaclone on October 07, 2019, 02:49:16 am

A question was posed as to when a VP had done something similar. That was the most recent example. The fact that Agnew was a Republican is incidental. If I were some kind of mole or had ulterior motives, I could’ve dug up the nonsensical crap the left tried to pin on Cheney and Halliburton, during the Iraq War.

But your example WASN'T similar, and that's the point.
Title: Re: Fox News’ Tucker Carlson turns on Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate his rival Joe Biden: ‘
Post by: edpc on October 07, 2019, 01:52:44 pm
But your example WASN'T similar, and that's the point.


It was actually worse, since it was interference with the US justice system. Nobody in the US really GAF about what some vodka soaked foreign court decides, one way or the other. It's similar to the 2018 judgement against Iran to pay 9/11 victims. Completely symbolic and unenforceable. Biden would never face consequences other than not being able to visit Ukraine anymore. BFD.