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Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
Appeasement and ingratiating language will not likely change the Left. It will simply embolden it to behave more brazenly.
By Paul Gottfried
November 10, 2020
It is hard for me to understand the advice now emanating from Fox News and much of the rest of Conservatism, Inc.. These folks have gone into high gear instructing Donald Trump’s supporters to “graciously†accept Joe Biden’s presidential victory. Since we are not allowed to utter the word “fraud†to describe what has happened, are we at least permitted to refer to “irregularities� I’m not sure that even that’s OK.
At high noon on November 7, when Fox News anchor Chris Wallace announced his network was declaring Biden the victor in the presidential contest, he quoted Senator Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who warned the outgoing president against saying anything “inflammatory.†Presumably, noting that scores of irregularities had taken place during the election in battleground states with Democratic governors and in heavily Democratic districts would have the effect of “dividing†our country.
On Saturday night, several Fox News pundits were mulling over the question of why Republican congressmen were not yet flooding the newly and duly elected president with notes of congratulations. Marc Theissen stepped in to explain that Trump had “frozen†this natural process, by engaging in what seemed tiresome and unnecessary litigation. Karl Rove was bubbling over with delight as he explained that Biden, in his first remarks as president-elect, appealed to “healing and unity.†NeverTrumper and Fox News “all-star†Jonah Goldberg seemed profoundly relieved to see Trump and his “juvenile attitudes†go down to defeat. And former Florida Governor Jeb Bush tried to get out ahead of the others by “praying for our new president.â€
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The Rats deserve to be treated with the same graciousness as they treated Donald Trump and George W. Bush.
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For everything there is a season,(see verse 3)
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Total war.
The bonus here is we’ll be rid of the limp wing of the GOP as they’ll be busy in their role as camp followers for the left.
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The Rats deserve to be treated with the same graciousness as they treated Donald Trump and George W. Bush.
They may well deserve it, but does the Republic? I say be gracious, and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy. Why be gracious? Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
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They may well deserve it, but does the Republic? I say be gracious, and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy. Why be gracious? Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
That's the difference between you and me. I think the Republic deserves it because of their past electoral choices. That stuff about "love of country" is the last refuge of scoundrels, clinging to the status quo.
That shit is over! The peeps demand more that "graciousness" because they realize the Rats have ratcheted up the cheating to an intolerable level, and are encouraged that we have a President who agrees, saying, "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!" Apparently for you, this just another example that the President of the United States being a big meany.
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Down goes Frazier!
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They may well deserve it, but does the Republic? I say be gracious, and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy. Why be gracious? Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
You were never forced to fight is a brawl against the local majority. It is a tough call.
If you give that person across from you a beating whether you win or lose that action
you win every marginal person observing.
I had the distinction of facing precisely that situation. I have spoke of it before. I was
in the 8th grade, the head of the gang was a Junior. I prevailed.
It is time to be a man. Stand up. Resist the bullsh!t.
If you aren't a man today, when will you be one?
Slide Rule
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That's the difference between you and me. I think the Republic deserves it because of their past electoral choices. That stuff about "love of country" is the last refuge of scoundrels, clinging to the status quo.
That shit is over! The peeps demand more that "graciousness" because they realize the Rats have ratcheted up the cheating to an intolerable level, and are encouraged that we have a President who agrees, saying, "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!" Apparently for you, this just another example that the President of the United States being a big meany.
You refuse to face reality. After the recounts and certifications from state election officials, it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost. Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.
It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election. Do we fight? Of course, but not on the sordid ground you propose. We are better than the Dems; they are scoundrels, we are patriots.
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You refuse to face reality. After the recounts and certifications from state election officials, it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost. Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.
It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election. Do we fight? Of course, but not on the sordid ground you propose. We are better than the Dems; they are scoundrels, we are patriots.
You, sir are the one ignoring reality. And because you do, you think nothing's wrong. That's a walking, talking example of "none are as blind as those who refuse to see." Your opinion of Trump is the stuff of TBR legends.
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You refuse to face reality. After the recounts and certifications from state election officials, it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost. Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.
It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election. Do we fight? Of course, but not on the sordid ground you propose. We are better than the Dems; they are scoundrels, we are patriots.
I think I'll wait and see what the recounts and certifications reveal before I make any broad statements. As far as I'm concerned Trump has every right to challenge the results (didn't Gore?) and if there were no discrepancies that might be discovered the Dems and the media wouldn't be having such a fit.
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You refuse to face reality. After the recounts and certifications from state election officials, it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost. Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.
It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election. Do we fight? Of course, but not on the sordid ground you propose. We are better than the Dems; they are scoundrels, we are patriots.
See, this is where you lose all credibility. Nothing appears 'overwhelmingly certain' - thats just flat untrue. The statistical patterns, sworn affidavits, hell basic common sense - etc point to the contrary
Following advise like your's is exactly why we find ourselves in the dire situation we are currently in. Just keep being 'gracious' in defeat and they will continue to make fools of us. It will stop when we decide to fight back. So please take your TDS and just step aside.
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After a few years of lurking, I joined FR in December 2000 to help yell "Get out of Chaney's House"
al "Mr. Stone" gore was the antithesis of gracious. Hell with these SOB's.
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They may well deserve it, but does the Republic? I say be gracious, and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy. Why be gracious? Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
Gotcha Mr. Neville Chamberlin.....
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I think I'll wait and see what the recounts and certifications reveal before I make any broad statements. As far as I'm concerned Trump has every right to challenge the results (didn't Gore?) and if there were no discrepancies that might be discovered the Dems and the media wouldn't be having such a fit.
The left's insistence that we shut up and accept is possibly a ruse that they know they got their hand caught in cookie jar, and the lid is getting ready to blown off.
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You refuse to face reality. After the recounts and certifications from state election officials, it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost. Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.
It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election. Do we fight? Of course, but not on the sordid ground you propose. We are better than the Dems; they are scoundrels, we are patriots.
I don't think it's over @Jazzhead ... But I will stand with you this far: All the whining and crying and throwing dirt in the air does nothing... And I question why it's being done... It seems designed to try this whole deal in the public square instead of in the courts and law enforcement where it belongs.
I am more along the lines of 'walk softly and carry a big stick'... I am not for concession, not until it's all pounded out, but if most of this stuff was real, I would think they'd shut up until the time came to play their hand - which would not be in the public eye, but rather in the courts and state houses. Why lose the element of surprise by leaking it all to the press? Shut up and swing that stick when the time comes. But that ain't what's happening.
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They may well deserve it, but does the Republic? I say be gracious, and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy. Why be gracious? Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
Are you a 'Jesuit' in training? :laugh:
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Are you a 'Jesuit' in training? :laugh:
Someone needs to tell him it’s not his Republican Party anymore.
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Someone needs to tell him it’s not his Republican Party anymore.
Perhaps not, as so many succumb to the temptatations of bitterness, cynicism, vituperation and conspiracy-mongering. I'm an old Reagan Republican and no doubt a dying breed. Go die on your hill, sir, I will continue to work with whoever may care to listen to help build the Shining City.
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Perhaps not, as so many succumb to the temptatations of bitterness, cynicism, vituperation and conspiracy-mongering. I'm an old Reagan Republican and no doubt a dying breed. Go die on your hill, sir, I will continue to work with whoever may care to listen to help build the Shining City.
"Dang, you work your tongue purtier than a $20 hooker." You go and do you, and lay off criticizing folks who are doing the heavy lifting. Your brilliance is unappreciated.
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Why do folks around here get so riled about jazzhead?
I saw him as a disruptor and put him on ignore a very long time ago.
His presence is guaranteed to rile other posters to the edge of irrationality.
It ruins otherwise-interesting threads.
This is in line with what we must do to the leftists in this country, if a traditional-minded America is to long endure.
That is to say... ignore and blacklist them.
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Someone needs to tell him it’s not his Republican Party anymore.
@skeeter
That's right. Eff the 'Principled' Conservatives. They aren't voting for the President anyway.
The Republican Party is now a Patriotic, flag-carrying, hard-working, Christian, Blue-Collar Party.
The Democrats are Socialists in the vein of WWII Germany.
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Why do folks around here get so riled about jazzhead?
I saw him as a disruptor and put him on ignore a very long time ago.
His presence is guaranteed to rile other posters to the edge of irrationality.
It ruins otherwise-interesting threads.
This is in line with what we must do to the leftists in this country, if a traditional-minded America is to long endure.
That is to say... ignore and blacklist them.
I haven't had that option since I signed on as a Mod 4 years ago. :shrug:
Can't Moderate if I can't see 'em.
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Not a disruptor. Just old school. *****rollingeyes*****
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Perhaps not, as so many succumb to the temptatations of bitterness, cynicism, vituperation and conspiracy-mongering. I'm an old Reagan Republican and no doubt a dying breed. Go die on your hill, sir, I will continue to work with whoever may care to listen to help build the Shining City.
Well alright. Kasich is looking for work why not give him a jingle.
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@skeeter
That's right. Eff the 'Principled' Conservatives. They aren't voting for the President anyway.
The Republican Party is now a Patriotic, flag-carrying, hard-working, Christian, Blue-Collar Party.
The Democrats are Socialists in the vein of WWII Germany.
So dammit, oppose socialism! You just obsess over your tribal battles. The voters rejected the hard left agenda this election, loud and clear. One day you'll realize that this election has put Republicans in the catbird seat. Let doddering Joe tlit at windmills in the air, fail as we know he will, and move Trump's populist agenda forward.
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The Rats deserve to be treated with the same graciousness as they treated Donald Trump and George W. Bush.
True. But we have a moral obligation to fight their attempted (so far) theft of the Presidency. If they manage to do so, then our moral obligation becomes resisting with every means available to us what these Marxists will attempt to do over the next four years.
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So dammit, oppose socialism! You just obsess over your tribal battles. The voters rejected the hard left agenda this election, loud and clear. One day you'll realize that this election has put Republicans in the catbird seat. Let doddering Joe tlit at windmills in the air, fail as we know he will, and move Trump's populist agenda forward.
You say 'oppose socialism dammit', then you suggest letting doddering Joe tilt at windmills. Make up your mind.
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They may well deserve it, but does the Republic? I say be gracious, and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy. Why be gracious? Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
I think I'll follow how gracious our Founders were and the love of country that compelled them.
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Not a disruptor. Just old school. *****rollingeyes*****
Herbert Hoover "old school. *****rollingeyes***** backatcha.
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Well alright. Kasich is looking for work why not give him a jingle.
Kasich was doing fine, until he threw that old lady out of the First Class airline ticket that she paid for. JH ever since?
:Cricket:
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So dammit, oppose socialism! You just obsess over your tribal battles. The voters rejected the hard left agenda this election, loud and clear. One day you'll realize that this election has put Republicans in the catbird seat. Let doddering Joe tlit at windmills in the air, fail as we know he will, and move Trump's populist agenda forward.
Right. Your friend Shortbus Joe is going to forward Trump's objectives.
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You refuse to face reality. After the recounts and certifications from state election officials, it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost.
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
You are being brainwashed to accept the results of the election as fair. You will be told that only bad people are skeptical in this situation, and that you will be held to account for doubting.
8:55 AM · Nov 10, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1326161648147558402
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Kasich was doing fine, until he threw that old lady out of the First Class airline ticket that she paid for. JH ever since?
:Cricket:
I can't get the image of Kasich stuffing pizza, noodles, ice cream, into his pie hole out of my head.
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Not a disruptor. Just old school. *****rollingeyes*****
I prefer to use the word troll. Maybe it's just me.
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So dammit, oppose socialism! You just obsess over your tribal battles. The voters rejected the hard left agenda this election, loud and clear. One day you'll realize that this election has put Republicans in the catbird seat. Let doddering Joe tlit at windmills in the air, fail as we know he will, and move Trump's populist agenda forward.
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
You are being brainwashed to accept the results of the election as fair. You will be told that only bad people are skeptical in this situation, and that you will be held to account for doubting.
8:55 AM · Nov 10, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1326161648147558402
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I think I'll follow how gracious our Founders were and the love of country that compelled them.
IIRC, when the Redcoats demanded our guns, in the manner one familiar Briefer wants to do, we simply shot them. I think he should be happy that we just talk mean to him.....
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I think I'll follow how gracious our Founders were and the love of country that compelled them.
Amen and amen.
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It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power
Actually, this "abiding hallmark" of the peaceful transition of power is rooted in the premier hallmark of the American peoples' faith in fair elections.
No faith, no peace.
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Actually, this "abiding hallmark" of the peaceful transition of power is rooted in the premier hallmark of the American peoples' faith in fair elections.
No faith, no peace.
If Biteme somehow wins, and tries to prosecute Donald Trump, that "tradition of peaceful transition" will go straight out the window because future Presidents will refuse to leave office peacefully. And Trump supporters will break out more than just torches and pitchforks.
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Meanwhile, there seems to be damned few around here even remotely concerned at the very real prospect of a patently unqualified (does not meet the standards laid out in the Constitution) person becoming President of the United States very soon.
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Meanwhile, there seems to be damned few around here even remotely concerned at the very real prospect of a patently unqualified (does not meet the standards laid out in the Constitution) person becoming President of the United States very soon.
I disagree. Almost everybody here gives a lot more than a mere Crap. I only see a couple who are delighted they can get rid of the hated Trump and install Shortbus Joe as President. One of them is prominently trolling right on this very thread. I have warned him, and return I got accusations of "threatening" the lad. I guess all y'all have a "bully" for an Admin. I hang my head in shame.
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Meanwhile, there seems to be damned few around here even remotely concerned at the very real prospect of a patently unqualified (does not meet the standards laid out in the Constitution) person becoming President of the United States very soon.
You couldn't be more wrong. I heard the news stories since the eighties regarding Biden prevaricating and plagiarism. I've heard the accounts of his naked skinny dipping in front of SS, easily demonstrable lies concerning his record in school and in elected office, his inappropriate handling & sniffing of women and little girls, most recently his selling his VP office for cold scrilla.
Not to mention his obviously increasingly addled condition today. To say he's compromised is a ridiculous understatement.
And his unaccomplished, obnoxious running mate is no better, having launched her political career as concubine to the (married) godfather of California politics.
If these two clowns attain office we are in deep hoofah.
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There is absolutely no way I will be gracious. In fact I will be ruthless. Capitulation to a party that is happy to vilify Americans who do not conform to a radical left agenda is unwise in my view. I'm not saying we should stoop to their level, but am I now supposed to Unify behind a group of moonbats who indite everyone who opposes them as white supremacists? I don't think so.
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You couldn't be more wrong. I heard the news stories since the eighties regarding Biden prevaricating and plagiarism. I've heard the accounts of his naked skinny dipping in front of SS, easily demonstrable lies concerning his record in school and in elected office, his inappropriate handling & sniffing of women and little girls, most recently his selling his VP office for cold scrilla.
Not to mention his obviously increasingly addled condition today. To say he's compromised is a ridiculous understatement.
And his unaccomplished, obnoxious running mate is no better, having launched her political career as concubine to the (married) godfather of California politics.
If these two clowns attain office we are in deep hoofah.
She will become president in short order IF they are ever allowed to be sworn in @skeeter
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There is absolutely no way I will be gracious. In fact I will be ruthless. Capitulation to a party that is happy to vilify Americans who do not conform to a radical left agenda is unwise in my view. I'm not saying we should stoop to their level, but am I now supposed to Unify behind a group of moonbats who indite everyone who opposes them as white supremacists? I don't think so.
:bingo:
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I disagree. Almost everybody here gives a lot more than a mere Crap. I only see a couple who are delighted they can get rid of the hated Trump and install Shortbus Joe as President. One of them is prominently trolling right on this very thread. I have warned him, and return I got accusations of "threatening" the lad. I guess all y'all have a "bully" for an Admin. I hang my head in shame.
:sarc:
You preen and virtue-signal with the best of ' em, eh?
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You preen and virtue-signal with the best of ' em, eh?
IfYouSaySo. *****rollingeyes*****
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You preen and virtue-signal with the best of ' em, eh?
You hold that scepter.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsjfHWj3BGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsjfHWj3BGE)
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The Democrat Vendetta List Making Has Begun
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11.11.2020
Mr. President, Attack
Molly McCannThere is nothing to lose, and everything to gain, from a full-on Trump offensive.
Does Trump still have a chance? That’s the question that flooded my inbox Saturday after the media called the election for Biden. If there was massive voter fraud, as some Republicans have alleged, Trump absolutely has a path. But only aggressive action on the part of the president and unwavering determination from his supporters will make that path navigable.
Many pro-Trump, nationalist Republicans are confident that Trump has a path because they believe that the Democrats committed fraud and that Trump will prevail in the courts on that basis. Many people have analyzed the election and concluded that the Democrats committed both electronic and manual fraud. They think the turnout was more than the Democrats had planned for, and Trump support was high in demographics they didn’t anticipate. Many who have analyzed the statistics think that this forced the Democrats’ hand and they had to cheat more than they had bargained for, which in turn created both statistical anomalies and even impossibilities in some precincts. I myself have reviewed statistics reports that identify mathematically suspicious counties in swing states.
When all the litigation is said and done, Pennsylvania is almost certainly going to resolve for Trump. Arizona and Georgia, both within reach for the president, are incredibly tight. There will be recounts and lawsuits that determine into which column they ultimately land, and the hope is justice will prevail in every courtroom and case. But courts are uncertain battlegrounds, and judges alarmingly fickle. ...
American Mind (https://americanmind.org/features/get-ready-for-a-fight/mr-president-attack/)
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Never thought my thinking would get to the point where I consider every liberal the enemy. Seems I'm there though.
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Never thought my thinking would get to the point where I consider every liberal the enemy. Seems I'm there though.
Welcome to the dissident club! :beer: 888high58888
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Welcome to the dissident club! :beer: 888high58888
I've been a member for quite some time now!
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Never thought my thinking would get to the point where I consider every liberal the enemy. Seems I'm there though.
Why not consider them an enemy? They are demanding our complete surrender.
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Why not consider them an enemy? They are demanding our complete surrender.
'Firmtive. We have become enemies because of their doings, not ours.
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The Democrat Vendetta List Making Has Begun
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Those who have congratulated Biden will have egg on their face when Trump is declared president elect—by those actually authorized to declare the winner.
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Those who have congratulated Biden will have egg on their face when Trump is declared president elect—by those actually authorized to declare the winner.
The Senators NOT on that list, like Mittens, don't give a crap about having egg on their faces.
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The Senators NOT on that list, like Mittens, don't give a crap about having egg on their faces.
True. What about, see a huge drop in campaign donations? I think his left eyebrow just went up.
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True. What about, see a huge drop in campaign donations? I think his left eyebrow just went up.
Nah. Voters have short memories. Hell, they can't even recall things that happened in February 2020.
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I think I'll wait and see what the recounts and certifications reveal before I make any broad statements. As far as I'm concerned Trump has every right to challenge the results (didn't Gore?) and if there were no discrepancies that might be discovered the Dems and the media wouldn't be having such a fit.
True, that. I might post "the sky is blue" and see if Facebook tags that, too.
Why else would the Leftist fackcheckers on twitter and fecebook be working overtime to post notes calling every statement that Biden isn't (and may not be) the POTUS elect into question?
It is an incontrovertible fact, that until the Electoral College votes, which comes after the States' results are certified by their respective Secretaries of State, no one is POTUS elect.
Yet all the Biden is POTUS elect nonsense prevails all over social media without so much as one flag or mask saying it just is not so.
With those propaganda machines still redlining, all indicators are that there is much amiss.
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Catfish wrote:
"Never thought my thinking would get to the point where I consider every liberal the enemy. Seems I'm there though."
Welcome to the fold.
I've been posting that here for many many months now.
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The Rats deserve to be treated with the same graciousness as they treated Donald Trump and George W. Bush.
@Cyber Liberty
Screw Boy Jorge and the horse that rode him in!
Treasonous SOB! Him and his whole damn family.
There is nothing that can happen to him that is bad enough to serve as punishment for what he and his butt-buddy Bubba Bill did to America.
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@Cyber Liberty
Screw Boy Jorge and the horse that rode him in!
Treasonous SOB! Him and his whole damn family.
There is nothing that can happen to him that is bad enough to serve as punishment for what he and his butt-buddy Bubba Bill did to America.
Yes, I've heard rumors your hatred for anything Bush is the stuff of legends.
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@skeeter
That's right. Eff the 'Principled' Conservatives. They aren't voting for the President anyway.
The Republican Party is now a Patriotic, flag-carrying, hard-working, Christian, Blue-Collar Party.
The Democrats are Socialists in the vein of WWII Germany.
@DCPatriot
I'm not a Christian.
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Not a disruptor. Just old school. *****rollingeyes*****
@Jazzhead
"Old School Republicans" were the appeasers responsible for allowing the Dims the latitude they needed to destroy America. A pox on them and their houses!
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You couldn't be more wrong. I heard the news stories since the eighties regarding Biden prevaricating and plagiarism. I've heard the accounts of his naked skinny dipping in front of SS, easily demonstrable lies concerning his record in school and in elected office, his inappropriate handling & sniffing of women and little girls, most recently his selling his VP office for cold scrilla.
Not to mention his obviously increasingly addled condition today. To say he's compromised is a ridiculous understatement.
And his unaccomplished, obnoxious running mate is no better, having launched her political career as concubine to the (married) godfather of California politics.
If these two clowns attain office we are in deep hoofah.
@skeeter
Thank you!
I couldn't have said it better.
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@skeeter
Thank you!
I couldn't have said it better.
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True. What about, see a huge drop in campaign donations? I think his left eyebrow just went up.
@aligncare
Mittens doesn't give a crap about that because he has all that Mormon Money locked up.
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Yes, I've heard rumors your hatred for anything Bush is the stuff of legends.
@Cyber Liberty
And anyone who doesn't share it is ignorant,or a fellow RINO on the Chinese payroll.
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@DCPatriot
I'm not a Christian.
Obtuse, much?
You're not the entire Republican Party, @sneakypete
Never implied that 'members' were required and/or possessed each and every trait.
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@Jazzhead
"Old School Republicans" were the appeasers responsible for allowing the Dims the latitude they needed to destroy America. A pox on them and their houses!
This has nothing to with appeasememt. It is about fighting smart, not fighting stupid. Read Kimberly Strassels's column in today's WSJ. THAT is the battle that must be fought and won. Stop falling for Trump's catnip - he lost, fair and square, even as other Republicans won up and down the ballot.
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This has nothing to with appeasememt. It is about fighting smart, not fighting stupid. Read Kimberly Strassels's column in today's WSJ. THAT is the battle that must be fought and won. Stop falling for Trump's catnip - he lost, fair and square, even as other Republicans won up and down the ballot.
With all due respect, those who value liberty and who have the above point of view are blind fools.
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The Law is Clear: If An Election is Stolen, State Legislatures Can Restore The Will of The People
November 12, 2020 President Trump and his team are under a relentless media blitz campaign which has only one goal: Pressuring the president to concede the election and stop asking questions about suspicious behavior in decisive states. Thuggish CNN anchor Jake Tapper is openly proposing that those who question the election result should have their careers ruined. ...
The sheer intensity of this campaign is proof enough that Trump should not concede. A campaign this brazen can only be motivated by one thing: Fear. Democrats and their press adjuncts fear what a full investigation of last week’s vote might reveal.
President Trump must continue his campaign. But the president must not act alone. State-level Republicans must rally behind him and conduct a full audit of the election results. If enough evidence of fraud is found, these state-level Republicans must be prepared to assemble state legislators in emergency sessions to choose slates of pro-Trump electors. Such an action is not illegal. In fact, in the face of glaring illegality, it is both a constitutional and moral duty.
State legislators in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and other disputed states should declare openly, right now, that they will only accept a Joe Biden victory after a thorough and complete investigation of all potential voter fraud in every state where the electoral outcome is contested. If these investigations are obstructed by the left, then they can and must exercise their Constitutional power to choose electors that restore the will of the people. ...
https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/ (https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/)
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State legislators in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and other disputed states should declare openly, right now, that they will only accept a Joe Biden victory after a thorough and complete investigation of all potential voter fraud in every state where the electoral outcome is contested.
:yowsa: As should every other right-thinking American!
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I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot. It was only Trump who lost.
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I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot. It was only Trump who lost.
That you assert so confidently Trump lost 'fair and square' in the face of mounting evidence the election was anything but fair raises suspicions about your motives.
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The Law is Clear: If An Election is Stolen, State Legislatures Can Restore The Will of The People
November 12, 2020 https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/ (https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/)
What Dems seem to fear is behind the fear that Trump will be reelected.
That the perfidy of the Deep State operations, especially those involving ranking democrats, will be revealed and (maybe even) prosecuted is the motivation for this desperate cheating, not just the desire to impose their socialist order.
They're all in.
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I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot. It was only Trump who lost.
That the GOP made gains in all elections except the top of the ticket defies all logic.
The one person who could thwart the will of the people otherwise is the guy at the top, vetoing all the others do, and countermanding intent with executive orders. Why would GOP voters vote to sabotage their own goals?
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That you assert so confidently Trump lost 'fair and square' in the face of mounting evidence the election was anything but fair raises suspicions about your motives.
My motives are transparent. I am a Republican. My party did well, and needs to press on with the business of governance and legislation. I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result. I agree with you that a GOP priority must be to resist Dem calls to make mail balloting permanent. We must, for example, resist with every fiber of our being Pelosi's House Bill 1. To do that we need both credibility and unity.
Face it, Trump lost. This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result.
Face it, Trump lost. This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump. Two wrongs don't make a right.
ca•pit•u•la•tion kÉ™-pÄch″ə-lÄ′shÉ™nâ–º
n. The act of surrendering or giving up.
n. A document containing the terms of surrender.
n. An enumeration of the main parts of a subject; a summary.
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My motives are transparent.
At long last I can agree with something, though I don't think you would want to hear why.
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My motives are transparent. I am a Republican. My party did well, and needs to press on with the business of governance and legislation. I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result. I agree with you that a GOP priority must be to resist Dem calls to make mail balloting permanent. We must, for example, resist with every fiber of our being Pelosi's House Bill 1. To do that we need both credibility and unity.
Face it, Trump lost. This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump. Two wrongs don't make a right.
You are perfectly entitled to your dumbassed opinions and the rest of us are equally entitled to not share them @Jazzhead
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The Law is Clear: If An Election is Stolen, State Legislatures Can Restore The Will of The People
November 12, 2020 https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/ (https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/)
@mountaineer
That's some industrial-strength truth on display,there!
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@mountaineer
That's some industrial-strength truth on display,there!
Lots of truth, but will be a shadow in reality.
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I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot. It was only Trump who lost.
@Jazzhead
What *I* find remarkable is you see nothing unusual about that,while I hear sirens going off.
It is a political "given" that the Presidential candidate is THE strongest influence as to how a campaign by the President's party is going to go. Presidents have "coattails",and bring along marginal party candidates with them when they go into office.
Yet YOU seem to believe that all the historic Republican victories this year are DESPITE Trump being at the top of the ticket.
Name ONE time in the history of America that has happened.
Name ONE time in history when any Presidential candidate has drawn the crowds at public events that Trump has drawn.
Name ONE time in history when a Presidential candidate has been so senile this own party had to hide him from public appearances,and that party won.
Name ONE time in history where a Presidential candidates children have been known to commit felonies and profit from selling out America to foreign nations,and that candidate won the popular vote.
Yet all this seems to make perfect sense to you,and it is everybody else that is wrong,not you?
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@mountaineer
That's some industrial-strength truth on display,there!
Maybe people will finally get off their butts and start voting in these State and Local elections. And make sure any Republican running is on the MAGA Train, the "Kinder, Gentler" Bushies aren't getting the GOP back, no matter what happens.
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@Jazzhead
What *I* find remarkable is you see nothing unusual about that,while I hear sirens going off.
It is a political "given" that the Presidential candidate is THE strongest influence as to how a campaign by the President's party is going to go. Presidents have "coattails",and bring along marginal party candidates with them when they go into office.
Yet YOU seem to believe that all the historic Republican victories this year are DESPITE Trump being at the top of the ticket.
Name ONE time in the history of America that has happened.
Name ONE time in history when any Presidential candidate has drawn the crowds at public events that Trump has drawn.
Name ONE time in history when a Presidential candidate has been so senile this own party had to hide him from public appearances,and that party won.
Name ONE time in history where a Presidential candidates children have been known to commit felonies and profit from selling out America to foreign nations,and that candidate won the popular vote.
Yet all this seems to make perfect sense to you,and it is everybody else that is wrong,not you?
Name one incumbent president who lost their reelection bid while enjoying 53% job approval. Suffice it to say critical thinking is not @Jazzhead ‘s forte.
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Obtuse, much?
@DCPatriot
A question that applies to you as much as to anyone else.
You're not the entire Republican Party, @sneakypete
Neither are you,and it would do you Bible-Thumpers well to remember this. You are a minority,and it would do you well to remember you will never win and hold onto power as long as you neglect the non-devoutly religious among you that make up a large part of your support.
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@sneakypete
Have you noticed lawyers love speaking in Latin? This one's favorite phrase is "status quo." He sees it's crooked as Hell, but prefers "crooked" to "change it to honest." Too much messy unpredictability. As he says, he's "transparent."
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My motives are transparent. I am a Republican. My party did well, and needs to press on with the business of governance and legislation. I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result. I agree with you that a GOP priority must be to resist Dem calls to make mail balloting permanent. We must, for example, resist with every fiber of our being Pelosi's House Bill 1. To do that we need both credibility and unity.
Face it, Trump lost. This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Understand if the Conservatives ditch Trump, we are right back to Square One. Leaderless, just 70 million people bitching and nothing getting done. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, the fact is, he is still the only one who can galvanize our side, until the torch can be passed on. But we aren't at that point yet, so we have to stand by Trump, as long as he's willing to fight.
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@sneakypete
Have you noticed lawyers love speaking in Latin? This one's favorite phrase is "status quo." He sees it's crooked as Hell, but prefers "crooked" to "change it to honest." Too much messy unpredictability. As he says, he's "transparent."
Dick the Butcher’s line gets big laughs every year at Shakespeare in the Park for a reason.
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That the GOP made gains in all elections except the top of the ticket defies all logic.
The one person who could thwart the will of the people otherwise is the guy at the top, vetoing all the others do, and countermanding intent with executive orders. Why would GOP voters vote to sabotage their own goals?
It's perfectly logical. Folks support Republican policies but were sick and tired of Trump's reality show. The fact that Republicans won up and down the board strongly suggests that the rejection of Trump wasn't because of fraud, but because of the expressed will and wisdom of the people.
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You are perfectly entitled to your dumbassed opinions and the rest of us are equally entitled to not share them @Jazzhead
Spoken like a petulant child. Some folks grow older, but not up.
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Face it, Trump lost. This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I almost agree with you, with a simple caveat: If there were electoral shenanigans, then by all means pursue them through the courts, regardless if enough can be garnered to overturn a county or state. But only where and how the evidence will allow.
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ca•pit•u•la•tion kÉ™-pÄch″ə-lÄ′shÉ™nâ–º
n. The act of surrendering or giving up.
n. A document containing the terms of surrender.
n. An enumeration of the main parts of a subject; a summary.
Again, I'll repeat - Republicans won this year up and down the board. In state after state, progs and prog initiatives were defeated.
Only Trump lost. Not because of fraud - how could that be when all those other Republicans won? Trump lost because, despite the adoring crowds, too many other Americans thought he is a dickhead. Trump lost because he got exactly what he asked for - a referendum on himself.
Grow up folks, and let's gird for the next fight.
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I almost agree with you, with a simple caveat: If there were electoral shenanigans, then by all means pursue them through the courts, regardless if enough can be garnered to overturn a county or state. But only where and how the evidence will allow.
We may just have to go the Watergate route. Nixon won overwhelmingly in 72. But the Rats didn't give up, and they eventually got their scalp.
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the "Kinder, Gentler" Bushies aren't getting the GOP back, no matter what happens.
LOL! The Moderate wing never lost the GOP. What nearly did that was the TEA Party, not Tumpism.
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Again, I'll repeat - Republicans won this year up and down the board. In state after state, progs and prog initiatives were defeated.
Only Trump lost. Not because of fraud - how could that be when all those other Republicans won? Trump lost because, despite the adoring crowds, too many other Americans thought he is a dickhead. Trump lost because he got exactly what he asked for - a referendum on itself.
Grow up folks, and let's gird for the next fight.
It was a close election, could have gone either way. I think in a way what Trump is doing now, is precisely what his enemies did. Plant enough seeds of doubt that the election was legit with all the "Russia, Russia, Russia" crap. I think he knows he won't win, but he can do exactly what the Rats did to him.
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We may just have to go the Watergate route. Nixon won overwhelmingly in 72. But the Rats didn't give up, and they eventually got their scalp.
No. If there is corruption, there must be evidence. And if there is evidence, there is an argument for the court. But overturning the voters is a very dangerous business, that I for one will not abide.
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I almost agree with you, with a simple caveat: If there were electoral shenanigans, then by all means pursue them through the courts, regardless if enough can be garnered to overturn a county or state. But only where and how the evidence will allow.
That is a reasonable statement, sir.
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No. If there is corruption, there must be evidence. And if there is evidence, there is an argument for the court. But overturning the voters is a very dangerous business, that I for one will not abide.
Was not Watergate, and Nixon's resignation overturning the 72 vote?
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It was a close election, could have gone either way. I think in a way what Trump is doing now, is precisely what his enemies did. Plant enough seeds of doubt that the election was legit with all the "Russia, Russia, Russia" crap. I think he knows he won't win, but he can do exactly what the Rats did to him.
I think that is very likely right. But it is playing with a strange fire that Republicans have always before eschewed. And again, when BOTH sides de-legitimize the electoral process, there will not be an electoral process for long.
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Was not Watergate, and Nixon's resignation overturning the 72 vote?
YES. And Nixon did well to avoid the crisis by stepping down.
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I think that is very likely right. But it is playing with a strange fire that Republicans have always before eschewed. And again, when BOTH sides de-legitimize the electoral process, there will not be an electoral process for long.
And where did that get the Republicans? It's time we started playing the same game as the Rats. Sorry, but as long as we play by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules, the Rats will keep kicking our ass.
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No. If there is corruption, there must be evidence. And if there is evidence, there is an argument for the court. But overturning the voters is a very dangerous business, that I for one will not abide.
Thank you for making that crucial distinction. It is truly dangerous ground to disrespect the people's verdict. The Dems did it last time to the millions who chose Trump, and I despise them for it. And I likewise despise those who now claim their rage entitles them to reject what the people have now decided.
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YES. And Nixon did well to avoid the crisis by stepping down.
Biden will not be a popular President, eventually he will piss off somebody who knows what went down, and they will talk. Biden will never be more popular than he is now. Starting January 20, it starts going downhill for him.
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I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot. It was only Trump who lost.
I think I've made this point before --- there was absolute, undeniable fraud and corruption. That fraud and corruption is being fought in court.
Whether recounts or lawsuits puts Trump in the oval office or not is questionable.
What cannot and should not be denied is the fact that if there indeed was corruption or fraud that took place, those that did so committed a crime and should be punished; otherwise WE the People will never be able to trust the outcome of any election. The INTEGRITY of our electoral process has been compromised. That is what is extremely important here. We cannot have people rigging elections nor the media deciding elections. We are NOT a Banana Republic.
If you don't see this as cause for concern or alarm, then I really think you need to re-examine your priorities.
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And where did that get the Republicans? It's time we started playing the same game as the Rats. Sorry, but as long as we play by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules, the Rats will keep kicking our ass.
It has long been the case that Republicans have had to overwhelm the ballot box to nullify typical Democrat cheating... And the answer does not mean, 'they cheat, so we can too'. If neither side will abide the rules, then the rules are gone.
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Thank you for making that crucial distinction. It is truly dangerous ground to disrespect the people's verdict. The Dems did it last time to the millions who chose Trump, and I despise them for it. And I likewise despise those who now claim their rage entitles them to reject what the people have now decided.
This will only stop when there is MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) if either side plays this game. That only happens when Republicans stop rolling over. And Trump is the only one who seems to get that.
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It has long been the case that Republicans have had to overwhelm the ballot box to nullify typical Democrat cheating... And the answer does not mean, 'they cheat, so we can too'. If neither side will abide the rules, then the rules are gone.
How are we cheating? Trump is pursuing a legal option, it may get thrown out. But it's not cheating.
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Thank you for making that crucial distinction. It is truly dangerous ground to disrespect the people's verdict. The Dems did it last time to the millions who chose Trump, and I despise them for it. And I likewise despise those who now claim their rage entitles them to reject what the people have now decided.
That is the salient point. 'The point of total darkness and the light's divine divide' - to misuse Dan Fogelberg. :laugh:
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Understand if the Conservatives ditch Trump, we are right back to Square One. Leaderless, just 70 million people bitching and nothing getting done. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, the fact is, he is still the only one who can galvanize our side, until the torch can be passed on. But we aren't at that point yet, so we have to stand by Trump, as long as he's willing to fight.
Exactly. We’re running out of options here. If democrats can steal national elections they become the gatekeepers. Patriotic Americans will huddle outside with no voice and no keys to enter into the governing majority ever again. It’s bye bye miss American pie.
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YES. And Nixon did well to avoid the crisis by stepping down.
A "Crisis" that was ginned up by the Leftist media that never forgave Nixon for his involvement with HUAC. And I'm not even that much of a Nixon fan.
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I think that is very likely right. But it is playing with a strange fire that Republicans have always before eschewed. And again, when BOTH sides de-legitimize the electoral process, there will not be an electoral process for long.
Words of wisdom. We do ourselves, and our nation, no good by acting like skunks just because the "other side" does so.
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Words of wisdom. We do ourselves, and our nation, no good by acting like skunks just because the "other side" does so.
So going through courts is being a "skunk"? Algore got 37 days.
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How are we cheating? Trump is pursuing a legal option, it may get thrown out. But it's not cheating.
I am ALL FOR IT if it is done in the courts... I think that overturning obvious ballot-stuffing is great. And I think inconsistencies (like not allowing Republican observers) has to hurt. But proving widespread ballot tampering had better come with incontrovertible evidence... And in that case where it is down to a last gasp, I would far prefer the mulligan to state legislators assigning electors.
You forget the other half that will not believe you, and you are doing to them precisely what you think they are doing to you. By and large, it is not the American people who are acting in bad faith, Democrat or Republican... It is the political machines that are acting badly. To overturn the American people is a profoundly bad mistake.
Unless you want war.
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Exactly. We’re running out of options here. If democrats can steal national elections they become the gatekeepers. Patriotic Americans will huddle outside with no voice and no keys to enter into the governing majority ever again. It’s bye bye miss American pie.
Think long and hard about what you are justifying... Without any proof so far.
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I am ALL FOR IT if it is done in the courts... I think that overturning obvious ballot-stuffing is great. And I think inconsistencies (like not allowing Republican observers) has to hurt. But proving widespread ballot tampering had better come with incontrovertible evidence... And in that case where it is down to a last gasp, I would far prefer the mulligan to state legislators assigning electors.
You forget the other half that will not believe you, and you are doing to them precisely what you think they are doing to you. By and large, it is not the American people who are acting in bad faith, Democrat or Republican... It is the political machines that are acting badly. To overturn the American people is a profoundly bad mistake.
Unless you want war.
You and I know that won't happen, it will be Biden in the White House. But it will be a Pyrrhic Victory, that is tainted. And he will not be a popular President.
Trump is doing this because it keeps the base with him. If he had conceded too early, he would have lost a good chunk of them. Now, he gets to fight another day. Yes, he may temporarily lose some people who think he's taking this too far. But when they see the disaster of the Biden/Harris administration, that will be forgotten.
Note that since the election, Trump's approval has actually gone up, not down. America will have a serious case of "Buyer's Remorse" next year.
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Words of wisdom. We do ourselves, and our nation, no good by acting like skunks just because the "other side" does so.
Never wrestle with a pig, right?
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I am ALL FOR IT if it is done in the courts... I think that overturning obvious ballot-stuffing is great. And I think inconsistencies (like not allowing Republican observers) has to hurt. But proving widespread ballot tampering had better come with incontrovertible evidence... And in that case where it is down to a last gasp, I would far prefer the mulligan to state legislators assigning electors.
You forget the other half that will not believe you, and you are doing to them precisely what you think they are doing to you. By and large, it is not the American people who are acting in bad faith, Democrat or Republican... It is the political machines that are acting badly. To overturn the American people is a profoundly bad mistake.
Unless you want war.
If war is what it takes to clean this shit up then so be it! But we MUST exhaust every other possible avenue before that happens!
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Don McLean - Bye Bye Miss American Pie
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_TFkut1PM#)
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It's perfectly logical. Folks support Republican policies but were sick and tired of Trump's reality show. The fact that Republicans won up and down the board strongly suggests that the rejection of Trump wasn't because of fraud, but because of the expressed will and wisdom of the people.
@Jazzhead
You realize that what you are saying is that it was people who consider style to be more important than substance who refused to vote for Trump,while placing yourself squarely in the middle of that group.
Another word for people like that is "shallow".
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@Jazzhead
You realize that what you are saying is that it was people who consider style to be more important than substance who refused to vote for Trump,while placing yourself squarely in the middle of that group.
Another word for people like that is "shallow".
They are going to find out where the shallowness gets them, good and hard.
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And where did that get the Republicans? It's time we started playing the same game as the Rats. Sorry, but as long as we play by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules, the Rats will keep kicking our ass.
Except that we kicked their ass this year. Every last poll was wrong. Maybe the Dems will accuse us of fraud *****rollingeyes*****
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Words of wisdom. We do ourselves, and our nation, no good by acting like skunks just because the "other side" does so.
@Jazzhead
You are going to be a good prisoner in the NWO. Maybe even a warden.
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Words of wisdom. We do ourselves, and our nation, no good by acting like skunks just because the "other side" does so.
@Jazzhead
So what happens in Georgia during the January Senate runoff races when Democrats engage in the exact same fraud they used last week?
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Except that we kicked their ass this year. Every last poll was wrong. Maybe the Dems will accuse us of fraud *****rollingeyes*****
Thanks to Trump! In the end, he energized the Democrats too much. But realize only Trump could have won in 2016, and made this possible. As far as Trump goes, it's just a temporary setback, you think he hasn't lost before and come back? For once, play the long game. Trump is the Cosell of politicians, a lot of people loved him, but a lot hated him too.
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@Jazzhead
So what happens in Georgia during the January Senate runoff races when Democrats engage in the exact same fraud they used last week?
I don't think they will. For one thing, the entire country will be watching. They got the big prize, in getting Trump out. If they throw those two races, it will be too obvious. I say both Republicans win by 3-4 points. It also would help their narrative that Republicans ditched Trump, which really isn't true, but that's what the media wants people to think.
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You and I know that won't happen, it will be Biden in the White House.
Very likely... Unless there is proof. That is all I am asking for, and all that you should demand. This is a holy thing y'all feel free to mess with... The singular most precious solemnity that a free people have. It is not the Democrats that you feel free to beat like a two dollar whore... It is the American Electoral System. I urge every possible caution. Revenge is best served cold.
But it will be a Pyrrhic Victory, that is tainted. And he will not be a popular President.
That's likely right. Not that it matters to me. It is fine if he is thought illegitimate if he got the votes to back it up. I would rather that than a Republican thought to be illegitimate without the votes to back him up.
Trump is doing this because it keeps the base with him. If he had conceded too early, he would have lost a good chunk of them. Now, he gets to fight another day. Yes, he may temporarily lose some people who think he's taking this too far. But when they see the disaster of the Biden/Harris administration, that will be forgotten.
Or, the vote is fairly true - and people are tired of him. I certainly am. Every bit as tired of him as I am the liberals. This could well be the People saying STFU and leave us some peace... If that is true, then Conservatives wind up the bagholder.
So yeah - If there is evidence, by all means. But REAL evidence. Sturdy enough to prove in court. The rest should be ignored. This gossip mongering nonsense has got to stop.
Show me the damn money, or let it go.
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How are we cheating? Trump is pursuing a legal option, it may get thrown out. But it's not cheating.
Like I said, the legal options should be pressed... But nullifying a state election is a line too far...Not to mention FIVE state elections. The proof of that widespread a corruption had better be absolute and undeniable.
Sure. Nullify ballots. Explore inconsistencies - and spank the evildoers. But those numbers do not add up to victory without nullifying whole states, and that is a dangerous game.
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Very likely... Unless there is proof. That is all I am asking for, and all that you should demand. This is a holy thing y'all feel free to mess with... The singular most precious solemnity that a free people have. It is not the Democrats that you feel free to beat like a two dollar whore... It is the American Electoral System. I urge every possible caution. Revenge is best served cold.
That's likely right. Not that it matters to me. It is fine if he is thought illegitimate if he got the votes to back it up. I would rather that than a Republican thought to be illegitimate without the votes to back him up.
Or, the vote is fairly true - and people are tired of him. I certainly am. Every bit as tired of him as I am the liberals. This could well be the People saying STFU and leave us some peace... If that is true, then Conservatives wind up the bagholder.
So yeah - If there is evidence, by all means. But REAL evidence. Sturdy enough to prove in court. The rest should be ignored. This gossip mongering nonsense has got to stop.
Show me the damn money, or let it go.
Fact is, Trump is the only kind of Republican that can win a national election now. Personally, I think Ron DeSantis is the heir apparent. But it took someone with the audacity of Trump to get the ball rolling, and that's why I will always appreciate what he did, come what may.
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For once, play the long game. Trump is the Cosell of politicians, a lot of people loved him, but a lot hated him too.
That certainly cannot be denied.
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Fact is, Trump is the only kind of Republican that can win a national election now. Personally, I think Ron DeSantis is the heir apparent. But it took someone with the audacity of Trump to get the ball rolling, and that's why I will always appreciate what he did, come what may.
Sorry, but I find that to be utterly dismal.
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I don't think they will. For one thing, the entire country will be watching. They got the big prize, in getting Trump out. If they throw those two races, it will be too obvious. I say both Republicans win by 3-4 points. It also would help their narrative that Republicans ditched Trump, which really isn't true, but that's what the media wants people to think.
But the incentive to cheat is several magnitudes higher this time around. Georgia was one of several states they wanted to overthrow Trump. Now it is the only state they need to take over the Senate, with not one, but two Senators.
Ballot harvesting was the primary culprit last time around, and there is nothing in place to prevent them from doing it again.
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But the incentive to cheat is several magnitudes higher this time around. Georgia was one of several states they wanted to overthrow Trump. Now it is the only state they need to take over the Senate, with not one, but two Senators.
Ballot harvesting was the primary culprit last time around, and there is nothing in place to prevent them from doing it again.
Is ballot harvesting legal in Georgia?
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But the incentive to cheat is several magnitudes higher this time around. Georgia was one of several states they wanted to overthrow Trump. Now it is the only state they need to take over the Senate, with not one, but two Senators.
Ballot harvesting was the primary culprit last time around, and there is nothing in place to prevent them from doing it again.
Again, it goes back to my contention that the Democrats do play the long game, they are willing to take a loss, for the bigger picture. And totally repudiating Trump is Job One. Just defeating him in a close election is not nearly enough for them. They must have him firmly rejected by his own party, which is not happening.
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Is ballot harvesting legal in Georgia?
No.
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If war is what it takes to clean this shit up then so be it! But we MUST exhaust every other possible avenue before that happens!
If you go so far as to overturn a state election, on the basis of letting a Republican legislature decide the race, you had better have bulletproof evidence of corruption, or risk being corrupted yourself.
And you will lay down precedents that will forever alter the electoral process of this nation. Think very long and hard before doing that.
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Don McLean - Bye Bye Miss American Pie
There are some that consider that a prophecy.
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Again, it goes back to my contention that the Democrats do play the long game, they are willing to take a loss, for the bigger picture. And totally repudiating Trump is Job One. Just defeating him in a close election is not nearly enough for them. They must have him firmly rejected by his own party, which is not happening.
There is no reason for the GOP to reject Trump. Quite the contrary. But Trump needs to be smart enough to play the long game and not embarass the party with futile and potentially dangerous obstruction for its own sake. If Trump plays his cards right - and helps the party to keep the Senate - he will the clear frontrunner for the 2024 nomination if he wants it.
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If Trump plays his cards right - and helps the party to keep the Senate -
@Jazzhead
There it is again. You keep saying that, but you never explain how you expect this to happen when Democrats repeat the same fraud techniques they used in the last election. Why do you continue to willfully ignore the obvious?
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I almost agree with you, with a simple caveat: If there were electoral shenanigans, then by all means pursue them through the courts, regardless if enough can be garnered to overturn a county or state. But only where and how the evidence will allow.
That's just it! Despite his protestations to the contrary, he KNOWS the cheating is rampant, and he wants Trump to give up because he's always detested him. And us too, apparently, judging by his comments on this Forum.
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@Jazzhead
There it is again. You keep saying that, but you never explain how you expect this to happen when Democrats repeat the same fraud techniques they used in the last election. Why do you continue to willfully ignore the obvious?
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There is no reason for the GOP to reject Trump.
That's about the funniest one since "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."
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There is no reason for the GOP to reject Trump.
Spoken by a GOPer who rejects Trump. Can we assume by your own words that your position is un-reasonable?
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Spoken by a GOPer who rejects Trump. Can we assume by your own words that your position is un-reasonable?
Approaching Troll level
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There is no reason for the GOP to reject Trump. Quite the contrary. But Trump needs to be smart enough to play the long game and not embarass the party with futile and potentially dangerous obstruction for its own sake. If Trump plays his cards right - and helps the party to keep the Senate - he will the clear frontrunner for the 2024 nomination if he wants it.
I still believe Trump understands what he's doing, and frankly I think the end seems to be near, and Trump will concede in the next few days, but knowing he's planted the seeds that needed to be planted, to place the legitimacy of Biden's election in doubt. Afterall, the Democrats have succeded to do the very same thing everytime a Republican won, since 2000, while McCain and Romney just rolled over.
And by taking the fight as far as he could, Trump will keep his base, going forward, as he is now the leader of The Resistance.
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That's just it! Despite his protestations to the contrary, he KNOWS the cheating is rampant, and he wants Trump to give up because he's always detested him. And us too, apparently, judging by his comments on this Forum.
None of us KNOW that cheating was rampant. Your comment seems a tad emotionally charged.
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There is no reason for the GOP to reject Trump. Quite the contrary. But Trump needs to be smart enough to play the long game and not embarass the party with futile and potentially dangerous obstruction for its own sake. If Trump plays his cards right - and helps the party to keep the Senate - he will the clear frontrunner for the 2024 nomination if he wants it.
The plotters of "Plan B" against Donald Trump will not only get off scot-free, they all may be turning around and returning to the White House.
The very man who sat in a meeting in the Oval Office and suggested General Michael Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act is poised to return to the Oval Office as President of the United States.
There is open discussion about how best to punish the supporters of President Trump -- both private and political citizens. If the long coup is finally successful and the plotters are reinstalled, it is very likely Donald Trump will not live to see the end of 2021 -- they are this serious about sending a message not to try and retake this government again.
And you're telling us that if President Trump "plays his cards right" he could be the Party's nominee in 2024.
I ask this to understand, not insult: Are you not informed, intellectually challenged, or evil? @Jazzhead
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None of us KNOW that cheating was rampant. Your comment seems a tad emotionally charged.
Rampant? That's a judgment call. But enough cheating to turn this election? Without a shred of doubt.
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Trump will keep his base, going forward, as he is now the leader of The Resistance.
LOL! Some resistance. *****rollingeyes*****
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Rampant? That's a judgment call. But enough cheating to turn this election? Without a shred of doubt.
Then it should IN FACT be easy to prove in court... Which is FINE, if true.
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If the Dems really believed that Biden won Pennsylvania, then they would encourage a recount, make Trump pay for it, then deliver the biggest F/U they could possibly muster by reconfirming a Biden win while draining GOP wallets. But that's only IF they really believed Biden won.
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Then it should IN FACT be easy to prove in court... Which is FINE, if true.
Proving it in court hasn't been the problem. Proving it in a court with an impartial judge has been the roadblock so far. And even when a judge has ruled in their favor, Pennsylvania ignored the ruling.
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Proving it in court hasn't been the problem. Proving it in a court with an impartial judge has been the roadblock so far. And even when a judge has ruled in their favor, Pennsylvania ignored the ruling.
Then it will go up the appeals chain... So no problemo.
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Then it will go up the appeals chain... So no problemo.
Hopefully, the next judge in the Michigan chain will put more stock in the sworn eyewitness testimony of numerous witnesses instead of the outside opinion of a former Democrat election official who worked for the Obama Administration.
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None of us KNOW that cheating was rampant. Your comment seems a tad emotionally charged.
I get that way with him because he has a really bad habit of making declarations and ignoring people who tell him he's FOS, with counter arguments, logic and facts. Ask him how he feels about you buying a rifle off the back of a truck. And your comment "there's no evidence" is putting the cart before the horse. Evidence comes when trials head to discovery. You won't see direct evidence until that happens.
Calling my argument is "emotional" is ridiculous.
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Approaching Troll level
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Reached that level at least two years ago IMHO!
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And your comment "there's no evidence" is putting the cart before the horse. Evidence comes when trials head to discovery. You won't see direct evidence until that happens.
That's right - Yet many on this site already believe the case for massive fraud to be open-and-shut, without that evidence forthcoming... That would be the cart before the horse, right there... To the point of folks getting bent around the axle simply for urging caution.
Calling my argument is "emotional" is ridiculous.
That is not what I said. I said your COMMENT seemed emotionally charged - to which you as much as admitted. I get that everybody is buttsore, but that does not tend toward clear thinking... Which is all I meant to point out.
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That's right - Yet many on this site already believe the case for massive fraud to be open-and-shut, without that evidence forthcoming... That would be the cart before the horse, right there... To the point of folks getting bent around the axle simply for urging caution.
That is not what I said. I said your COMMENT seemed emotionally charged - to which you as much as admitted. I get that everybody is buttsore, but that does not tend toward clear thinking... Which is all I meant to point out.
I take your point. I guess it was charged. But the "lack of evidence " canard is why Neil Cavuto cut Kayleigh McEnany the other day. These are the kind of folks who think "circumstantial evidence" is worthless.
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I take your point. I guess it was charged. But the "lack of evidence " canard is why Neil Cavuto cut Kayleigh McEnany the other day. These are the kind of folks who think "circumstantial evidence" is worthless.
Sitting on one's fanny at home harrumphing about a 'lack of evidence' while investigations are ongoing hundreds of miles away is ridiculous and not worthy of response.
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I take your point. I guess it was charged. But the "lack of evidence " canard is why Neil Cavuto cut Kayleigh McEnany the other day. These are the kind of folks who think "circumstantial evidence" is worthless.
It is not so much whether the evidence is circumstantial as much as its reliability. All matter of nonsense has already come and gone... The idea that Tumpy had all the ballots watermarked and was waiting for the right time to send em all frogmarching is a great example...
The only evidence that matters is actionable evidence, and there seems to be far less of that than the other.
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aligncare wrote (presciently):
"If democrats can steal national elections they become the gatekeepers. Patriotic Americans will huddle outside with no voice and no keys to enter into the governing majority ever again. It’s bye bye miss American pie."
It is... what it is.
The democrat-communists have built "an apparatus"** with which they not only can steal national elections -- they just did. I think that the left was as surprised by the results as we were.
I sense that the leftist/communists (perhaps with help from the Chinese communist party) began assembling their "election apparatus" back after Mr. Trump first won in 2016. They were caught by surprise by his narrow wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin -- and they weren't going to let that happen again.
They may have put some of their work-in-progress to the test in 2018, perhaps in Georgia, Florida, perhaps even in Texas. But it wasn't really operational at that point.
By 2020, they were ready to "go live". They weren't ready everywhere, but they WERE ready in "the states where it counted".
I'm not sure if they really expected everything to work as well as it did. In the same way as the Bolsheviks (in the 1917 coup) didn't expect to win (but were surprised when they did).
I've posted about this over the past few days, but I'll repeat:
I believe their underground "election apparatus" has been designed to operate both as "software" (vote recording and tallying programs that can be corrupted), and as "hardware" (the ability to mechanically produce large numbers of physical ballots). You couldn't get enough people in cahoots to "work up" the numbers of ballots required "by hand". Some kind of machine reproduction is involved.
By 2022, I predict they'll be further refined, and aiming their sights at "shifting" elections involving The House and Senate where possible.
And of course in 2024, the presidential election.
By then... yes... it truly will be "bye bye Miss American Pie".
At least... and until... the fires of socialism/marxism/communism burn through America long enough to reduce themselves to ashes.
**Note:
For a further description of "apparatus", see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States#Secret_apparatus
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It has long been the case that Republicans have had to overwhelm the ballot box to nullify typical Democrat cheating... And the answer does not mean, 'they cheat, so we can too'. If neither side will abide the rules, then the rules are gone.
Then it is high time the rules get enforced.
The Democrats went all out this time, counting ballots that should not have been counted, defying the law and court orders to let observers observe and verify ballots, BACKDATING ballots to "make them legal", and the software "glitches" that switched thousands of votes in just one of the 47 counties in one state that use the same software (MI). That does not include documented ballot harvesting, etc.
When the data do not fit ordinary patterns, when the senatorial candidates outstrip the POTUS votes, when votes are tabulated 100% for one candidate, when R vote totals go down while D vote totals go up (by the same number) there is a lot to be accounted for, and yes, enough to steal the election.
Why is it twitter and fecebook only mask or annotate claims that there was fraud, and not the claims Biden is president-elect (when he is no such thing before results are certified and the Electoral College votes, provided he wins.) Nope, that isn't annotated or factchecked or otherwise indicated as not being correct, but the time to label any post on those venues that indicates evidence of fraud is less than it takes for the post to materialize after the click to post it.
I know, I have had multiple posts on both platforms tagged.
That same information is posted here and on MeWe without that branding.
You work with these machines and code (they are computers after all) so lok over what these guys are discussing and tell me if there is merit in what they are saying: https://centipedenation.com/transmissions/bombshell-anon-crunches-voter-data-discovers-election-software-dominion-producing-massive-fraud/ (https://centipedenation.com/transmissions/bombshell-anon-crunches-voter-data-discovers-election-software-dominion-producing-massive-fraud/)
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8O2wesk/happening-calling-every-pede-to-/ (https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8O2wesk/happening-calling-every-pede-to-/)
This isn't about Trump, @roamer_1 , this is about fair and honest elections, about counting legal votes and not counting those which are not, and about one person, one vote. Without that, we have no Republic, not even the palimpsest ghost of a Constitution, and no rule of law.
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I am ALL FOR IT if it is done in the courts... I think that overturning obvious ballot-stuffing is great. And I think inconsistencies (like not allowing Republican observers) has to hurt. But proving widespread ballot tampering had better come with incontrovertible evidence... And in that case where it is down to a last gasp, I would far prefer the mulligan to state legislators assigning electors.
You forget the other half that will not believe you, and you are doing to them precisely what you think they are doing to you. By and large, it is not the American people who are acting in bad faith, Democrat or Republican... It is the political machines that are acting badly. To overturn the American people is a profoundly bad mistake.
Unless you want war.
Especially if it is done by fraud at the polls and during the vote count.
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Except that we kicked their ass this year. Every last poll was wrong. Maybe the Dems will accuse us of fraud *****rollingeyes*****
The opinion polls can be manipulated, and were to provide the image of a point spread for Biden.
Keep in mind that in places like my county, Trump got 82+% of the vote.
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This isn't about Trump, @roamer_1 , this is about fair and honest elections, about counting legal votes and not counting those which are not, and about one person, one vote. Without that, we have no Republic, not even the palimpsest ghost of a Constitution, and no rule of law.
@Smokin Joe
I don't give a crap about Tumpy, or Buydem. I care about the process, and conviction in the press one way or the other... All this damn drama don't amount to a hill of beans, because it relies upon biased reporting from BOTH SIDES. None of this is evidence unless it is actionable evidence. And if it is INDEED actionable, then I fully expect it to be brought before the court.
What is the furthest thing from the rule of law is believing all the bullshit in the press and going to war over it. All I have done since the election is urge caution and vetting of information, but I may as well be pissing in a hurricane for all it's done.
I swear, what happened to bring Dan Rather down could not happen today.
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Especially if it is done by fraud at the polls and during the vote count.
FINE. Then PROVE IT.
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Matthew 9:26-27
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@Raiklin
44m
“I’m going to release the Kraken!†@SidneyPowell1 on @LouDobbs a few minutes ago.
Translation, “All hell is about to break looseâ€
My vernacular rendition:â€The best lawyer in the history of America is about to lay waste to all involved in the fraud against the legal voterâ€
https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1327387035716476929
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It is not so much whether the evidence is circumstantial as much as its reliability. All matter of nonsense has already come and gone... The idea that Tumpy had all the ballots watermarked and was waiting for the right time to send em all frogmarching is a great example...
The only evidence that matters is actionable evidence, and there seems to be far less of that than the other.
At this point, it's just a big pile of affidavits. This will be tested court, but until then this is the best available. When one is decrying the lack of evidence at this point, it's probably best for everybody else to ignore it.
The subject of this thread is "Why should we be Gracious?" The answer has become self-evident. It's not "No," it's "Hell no, because we didn't start this war!"
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FINE. Then PROVE IT.
Is there any chance you will wait and let them, without belittling the efforts?
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Is there any chance you will wait and let them, without belittling the efforts?
As a matter of fact, I am the one waiting.
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@Jazzhead
There it is again. You keep saying that, but you never explain how you expect this to happen when Democrats repeat the same fraud techniques they used in the last election. Why do you continue to willfully ignore the obvious?
What's obvious is that you've put the rabbit in the hat. Georgia's SOS, you know, is a Republican, and a hand recount has been ordered. Let's see what that reveals before you go off half cocked.
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At this point, it's just a big pile of affidavits. This will be tested court, but until then this is the best available. When one is decrying the lack of evidence at this point, it's probably best for everybody else to ignore it.
The subject of this thread is "Why should we be Gracious?" The answer has become self-evident. It's not "No," it's "Hell no, because we didn't start this war!"
Right at this point it is nothing... Until it is something, it would be best to view all of it with a jaundiced eye. Note that I am not advising capitulation. And I never have. I am suggesting one should move forward vetting information from all sources till something actually proves out. Tub-thumping does nothing but bang the drum.
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The plotters of "Plan B" against Donald Trump will not only get off scot-free, they all may be turning around and returning to the White House.
The very man who sat in a meeting in the Oval Office and suggested General Michael Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act is poised to return to the Oval Office as President of the United States.
There is open discussion about how best to punish the supporters of President Trump -- both private and political citizens. If the long coup is finally successful and the plotters are reinstalled, it is very likely Donald Trump will not live to see the end of 2021 -- they are this serious about sending a message not to try and retake this government again.
And you're telling us that if President Trump "plays his cards right" he could be the Party's nominee in 2024.
I ask this to understand, not insult: Are you not informed, intellectually challenged, or evil? @Jazzhead
And have you lost your mind?
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Right at this point it is nothing... Until it is something, it would be best to view all of it with a jaundiced eye. Note that I am not advising capitulation. And I never have. I am suggesting one should move forward vetting information from all sources till something actually proves out. Tub-thumping does nothing but bang the drum.
Yeah, well “tub thumping†is the only option we have available here on this on line forum. Otherwise things will get pretty quiet around here fast.
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As a matter of fact, I am the one waiting.
As am I. I'm not the one making unrealistic demands on the legal system to insist on evidence when none can be obtained because of...the legal system. I'm to here with these demands for the impossible, and then kicking back and say "See? Tumpy has no case!!!"
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And have you lost your mind?
Are you trolling and calling people mentally deficient?
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Right at this point it is nothing... Until it is something, it would be best to view all of it with a jaundiced eye. Note that I am not advising capitulation. And I never have. I am suggesting one should move forward vetting information from all sources till something actually proves out. Tub-thumping does nothing but bang the drum.
That's what I am saying. The leftists are demanding the impossible and claiming victory. It's like pigeon who plays chess.
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Yeah, well “tub thumping†is the only option we have available here on this on line forum. Otherwise things will get pretty quiet around here fast.
Well no, one could offer a pro vs. con to the various theories being trumpeted... vetting them rather than simply taking them up and banging the drum. Do you REALLY think that so many states, many in red states, are so buffaloed as to blindly install software so easy to manipulate? What are the fail-safes and how do they work? what are the proofs, and why are they not being considered as proofs?
It is far too easy for folks to get their blood up and quit thinking.
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Are you trolling and calling people mentally deficient?
Do you see the insults she laid on me? Do you even bother to read before storming off on your mission to drive me off this forum?
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@Smokin Joe
I don't give a crap about Tumpy, or Buydem. I care about the process, and conviction in the press one way or the other... All this damn drama don't amount to a hill of beans, because it relies upon biased reporting from BOTH SIDES. None of this is evidence unless it is actionable evidence. And if it is INDEED actionable, then I fully expect it to be brought before the court.
What is the furthest thing from the rule of law is believing all the bullshit in the press and going to war over it. All I have done since the election is urge caution and vetting of information, but I may as well be pissing in a hurricane for all it's done.
I swear, what happened to bring Dan Rather down could not happen today.
You, sir, are the true voice of reason on this thread. Thank you.
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That's what I am saying. The leftists are demanding the impossible and claiming victory. It's like pigeon who plays chess.
They can claim anything they want. And they may be right too. Tough sh*t, there it is. But it's all really here nor there till the affidavits turn into something actionable, and then all they are saying goes to hell. So who cares what they're saying? It's all twitterpated bulsh*t.
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Do you see the insults she laid on me? Do you even bother to read before storming off on your mission to drive me off this forum?
Listen, @Jazzhead, if I was trying to drive you off this forum you would have been gone a year ago. You are merely fueling that exit.
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They can claim anything they want. And they may be right too. Tough sh*t, there it is. But it's all really here nor there till the affidavits turn into something actionable, and then all they are saying goes to hell. So who cares what they're saying? It's all twitterpated bulsh*t.
the problem I have is the stupid people moving in herd are lapping this crap up like a cat will go for antifreeze. There are a LOT of them.
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You, sir, are the true voice of reason on this thread. Thank you.
You and me don't see eye to eye all that much, and we ain't even all the way in agreement here (I am not ready to play nice exactly yet), but it is nice to knock beers with you for a change. :beer:
Nothing has ever been saved by tearing it down. If we are unable to preserve the electoral system, and the rule of law, if we have become unwilling to wait for conclusions to be reached, who then will there be to preserve it?
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the problem I have is the stupid people moving in herd are lapping this crap up like a cat will go for antifreeze. There are a LOT of them.
I feel you man, I really do - But that is no reason to join them at the dish.
SOMEBODY has to start wading through all the bullsh*t to find the pearls... Throwing more bullsh*t ain't helping a thing.
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And I ain't putting that on you @Cyber Liberty ... I am saying all y'all.
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And I ain't putting that on you @Cyber Liberty ... I am saying all y'all.
888high58888 We're cool, bro. :beer:
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I feel you man, I really do - But that is no reason to join them at the dish.
SOMEBODY has to start wading through all the bullsh*t to find the pearls... Throwing more bullsh*t ain't helping a thing.
Do you think it OK for secretaries of state and Governors to alter state election laws on their own with no legislative involvement?
That's a damned big pearl IMHO.
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You and me don't see eye to eye all that much, and we ain't even all the way in agreement here (I am not ready to play nice exactly yet), but it is nice to knock beers with you for a change. :beer:
Nothing has ever been saved by tearing it down. If we are unable to preserve the electoral system, and the rule of law, if we have become unwilling to wait for conclusions to be reached, who then will there be to preserve it?
I'm just a bit weary of him screaming "victim" while claiming an Admin is trying to banish him. That right there is pure BS. If I really wanted to do that, nobody is stopping me. He has no idea I've been defending him from Mods more angry than I.
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I'm just a bit weary of him screaming "victim" while claiming an Admin is trying to banish him. That right there is pure BS. If I really wanted to do that, nobody is stopping me. He has no idea I've been defending him from Mods more angry than I.
He's damned lucky it's you there instead of me.
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Do you think it OK for secretaries of state and Governors to alter state election laws on their own with no legislative involvement?
That's a damned big pearl IMHO.
Great! Then that's a matter of law and we should see that one go up through appeals. We might even see state legislatures, jealous of their own power fixing to spank them recalcitrant SOSs and GOVs on their own. Like I said, I am all for running this stuff up the flagpole and through the courts. That's the remedy. Even if it ain't enough to change the outcome... which it is likely not.
But a hail mary relying on state legislatures to overturn the People (as an instance) is a bridge too far - Even if it is a legal means. I would much prefer a mulligan in that instance, rather than relying on those Republican legislatures to install a Republican president.
That folks are even considering that is well into the same sort of thing y'all are supposed to be fighting against.
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I'm just a bit weary of him screaming "victim" while claiming an Admin is trying to banish him. That right there is pure BS. If I really wanted to do that, nobody is stopping me. He has no idea I've been defending him from Mods more angry than I.
All that's between you and him. I don't know nothin. :shrug:
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All that's between you and him. I don't know nothin. :shrug:
:shrug:
I only know that somebody is whining about his unknown best friend holding back a pile of rocks.
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Well no, one could offer a pro vs. con to the various theories being trumpeted... vetting them rather than simply taking them up and banging the drum. Do you REALLY think that so many states, many in red states, are so buffaloed as to blindly install software so easy to manipulate? What are the fail-safes and how do they work? what are the proofs, and why are they not being considered as proofs?
Are you suggesting this election was typical and there’s not a mountain of cause for suspicion? If so you are the one not thinking.
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But a hail mary relying on state legislatures to overturn the People (as an instance) is a bridge too far - Even if it is a legal means. I would much prefer a mulligan in that instance, rather than relying on those Republican legislatures to install a Republican president.
I agree with that. Never gonna happen. I'd be happy if they would just stop caving in to Rats in return for nothing that benefits the people who elected them.
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Are you suggesting this election was typical and there’s not a mountain of cause for suspicion? If so you are the one not thinking.
It remains to be seen if the GOPe politicians stand up to the Rat bullies. Their track record is very poor, to use a light touch on my language.
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I only know that somebody is whining about his unknown best friend holding back a pile of rocks.
All I know is that ol @Jazzhead ain't exactly wrong in this... And coming from me, that should not be considered faint praise.
I get that folks got blood in their eyes... Maybe not having a dog in this hunt lets me see things from afar that folks up close can't see, but it seems folks should all take a deep breath and find a little faith before hopping right in the deep end.
It's a strange place for me to be. But I can see terribly important structural things ready to get torn down, and it's the folks on the right that are fixin to do it.
If it is time for war, then so be it. But I don't see no percentage in going off about it all half-cocked. I have always been taught that if I'm right, I won't back up... Not for nothing. But that comes with a burden: You should be sure as hell you're right.
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Are you suggesting this election was typical and there’s not a mountain of cause for suspicion? If so you are the one not thinking.
No, I am saying this election was typical in that there's always a mountain of cause for suspicion... That's why there are remedies already on the books.
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It remains to be seen if the GOPe politicians stand up to the Rat bullies. Their track record is very poor, to use a light touch on my language.
All I want is a complete vetting of the results. Since we do not have that yet, on the contrary we’re being lied to and bum rushed to a conclusion, we’re left to guess based upon what we do know.
And I’m not in the mood to be scolded for what is a perfectly natural reaction for any rational person.
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All I know is that ol @Jazzhead ain't exactly wrong in this... And coming from me, that should not be considered faint praise.
And I agree. That's been the thing that has stayed my hand. It just irks me when he calls my warnings "threats," when in fact I'm trying to steer him clear of the trouble he's begging for. I've kicked people off for being insufferable trolls, and I just don't think he's there. Yet.
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No, I am saying this election was typical in that there's always a mountain of cause for suspicion... That's why there are remedies already on the books.
With mail in voting for the first time in American history? A method outlawed by most civilized nations who care about fair elections? You are dead wrong.
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All I want is a complete vetting of the results. Since we do not have that yet, on the contrary we’re being lied to and bum rushed to a conclusion, we’re left to guess based upon what we do know.
And I’m not in the mood to be scolded for what is a perfectly natural reaction for any rational person.
Neither am I, and I'm glad that, at long last, we have a President who refuses to give up. Supporters are flocking to back him up, for that very reason.
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With mail in voting for the first time in American history? A method outlawed by most civilized nations who care about fair elections? You are dead wrong.
In most places, that was not 'mail-in' voting, but rather, absentee ballot, which has been around for years - Just not at this magnitude.
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All I want is a complete vetting of the results. Since we do not have that yet, on the contrary we’re being lied to and bum rushed to a conclusion, we’re left to guess based upon what we do know.
When has that ever not been the case?
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Neither am I, and I'm glad that, at long last, we have a President who refuses to give up. Supporters are flocking to back him up, for that very reason.
His approval ratings have already gone up. I think there's already a lot of Buyer's Remorse amongst people who voted early.
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When has that ever not been the case?
@skeeter
On May 29, 1790, Rhode Island voted by two votes to ratify the document, and the last of the original 13 colonies joined the United States. Today the U.S. Constitution is the oldest written constitution in operation in the world.
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And have you lost your mind?
You obviously missed that my question is about you, so I'll repeat it and look forward to your answer @Jazzhead Hint: It's the last line of my post.
The plotters of "Plan B" against Donald Trump will not only get off scot-free, they all may be turning around and returning to the White House.
The very man who sat in a meeting in the Oval Office and suggested General Michael Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act is poised to return to the Oval Office as President of the United States.
There is open discussion about how best to punish the supporters of President Trump -- both private and political citizens. If the long coup is finally successful and the plotters are reinstalled, it is very likely Donald Trump will not live to see the end of 2021 -- they are this serious about sending a message not to try and retake this government again.
And you're telling us that if President Trump "plays his cards right" he could be the Party's nominee in 2024.
I ask this to understand, not insult: Are you not informed, intellectually challenged, or evil? @Jazzhead
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You obviously missed that my question is about you, so I'll repeat it and look forward to your answer @Jazzhead Hint: It's the last line of my post.
Just a troll. Not even a good one. Not saying he is evil. Evil takes intellect.
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In most places, that was not 'mail-in' voting, but rather, absentee ballot, which has been around for years - Just not at this magnitude.
Rat politicians took the brakes off the thing when they abolished the need to "show cause."
Hell, in California, consider this: The Legislature made it legal to issue illegal aliens drivers licenses, then made Voter Registrations automatic for anybody getting a DL, and then closed the corrupt loop by automatically send out ballots to ALL registered voters! That means, the State of CA deliberately put a couple million real ballots into the hands of illegal aliens. I'm not even mentioning the ballot harvesting, that's a layer of corrupt icing on the poisoned cake.
That's really messed up, and it's what Pelosi has said more than once she wants to force the other states to do.
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Cyber, I am ont listening to Boston-Longtime/foreplay either
llallalalaalalaallalalalaaa
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Rat politicians took the brakes off the thing when they abolished the need to "show cause."
Hell, in California, consider this: The Legislature made it legal to issue illegal aliens drivers licenses, then made Voter Registrations automatic for anybody getting a DL, and then closed the corrupt loop by automatically send out ballots to ALL registered voters! That means, the State of CA deliberately put a couple million real ballots into the hands of illegal aliens. I'm not even mentioning the ballot harvesting, that's a layer of corrupt icing on the poisoned cake.
That's really messed up, and it's what Pelosi has said more than once she wants to force the other states to do.
Yet in the midst of it, Issa, a penultimate conservative, gets elected in Sandy Eggo. Go Figger. :shrug:
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In most places, that was not 'mail-in' voting, but rather, absentee ballot, which has been around for years - Just not at this magnitude.
It's not just a difference in volume. Absentee ballots are requested and the request is vetted before a ballot is mailed. The "mail-in" ballot is mailed to everyone on a state's voter rolls without a request, without permission, without vetting.
I'm surprised you weren't taught this in troll school.
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Yet in the midst of it, Issa, a penultimate conservative, gets elected in Sandy Eggo. Go Figger. :shrug:
Lotta military there.
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Just a troll. Not even a good one. Not saying he is evil. Evil takes intellect.
Okay. Troll it is. :beer:
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In most places, that was not 'mail-in' voting, but rather, absentee ballot, which has been around for years - Just not at this magnitude.
how long has mailing absentee ballot applications to every registered voter been practiced?
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Cyber, I am ont listening to Boston-Longtime/foreplay either
llallalalaalalaallalalalaaa
I loved that song. Top-40 stations cut off the Foreplay, and that is so wrong on many levels.
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It's not just a difference in volume. Absentee ballots are requested and the request is vetted before a ballot is mailed. The "mail-in" ballot is mailed to everyone on a state's voter rolls without a request, without permission, without vetting and without tracking.
I'm surprised you weren't taught this in troll school.
All I can do is speak to my own, and I could not obtain a ballot this year. Sent or otherwise.
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Are you suggesting this election was typical and there’s not a mountain of cause for suspicion? If so you are the one not thinking.
Remember he thought there wasn’t a dimes worth of difference between D and R (and here’s ludicrous part) in this election, where the differences couldn’t be more stark.
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Okay. Troll it is. :beer:
One we've been tolerating. Sometimes trolls are great foils, especially the ungifted ones. It's like boxing with a sparring partner, or playing chess against people you can beat because you're developing strategies. :shrug:
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Remember he thought there wasn’t a dimes worth of difference between D and R (and here’s ludicrous part) in this election, where the differences couldn’t be more stark.
I still see no difference. All y'all are ready to tear sh*t down, just the same as the Democrats.
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When has that ever not been the case?
for about five minutes longer than people, being denied the truth, have been speculating as to where the truth might lie. Which you are always mau-mauing us for.
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All I can do is speak to my own, and I could not obtain a ballot this year. Sent or otherwise.
I'm sorry to hear that. I remember the fishing license incident.
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I still see no difference. All y'all are ready to tear sh*t down, just the same as the Democrats.
Yes. I am.
Can I have me neutron bombs now?
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All I can do is speak to my own,...
Then you know nothing. Go away.
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for about five minutes longer than people, being denied the truth, have been speculating as to where the truth might lie. Which you are always mau-mauing us for.
Whatever. When Clinton won... and I need not mention the Dubya debacle... Even Obummer's second right after the Te Party turned over near every statehouse and governor...
It is always easy to be suspicious. it is another thing to prove it. So prove it. That's all. If it is so rampant, then it should also be easy to prove. So prove it and let the courts do their job. All the rest is literally sour grapes.
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Yes. I am.
Can I have me neutron bombs now?
Hey. Don't look at me. I ain't stopping you.
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Whatever. When Clinton won... and I need not mention the Dubya debacle... Even Obummer's second right after the Te Party turned over near every statehouse and governor...
It is always easy to be suspicious. it is another thing to prove it. So prove it. That's all. If it is so rampant, then it should also be easy to prove. So prove it and let the courts do their job. All the rest is literally sour grapes.
Maybe supercilious is a better term than mau-mau.
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I'm sorry to hear that. I remember the fishing license incident.
Yeah. Pissed me off. Evidently it's because my mailbox don't work at my residence. Automagically made me unregistered. So they sent me a registration form which I had to fill out and then go stand in line for a mile at the single location where there was an open election office.... which the papers came late enough I could not get em back there in time to do anyhow... So disenfranchisement for me.
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Maybe supercilious is a better term than mau-mau.
Not supercilious. Just the bare truth of it.
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Hey. Don't look at me. I ain't stopping you.
What I know for sure is there is a shitstorm coming. The hate in the kids. It is hate. The music, the tats.
To much to splain.
If I could save one by killing thousands I will.
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What I know for sure is there is a shitstorm coming. The hate in the kids. It is hate. The music, the tats.
To much to splain.
If I could save one by killing thousands I will.
Certainly it's coming and there ain't a single damn fool trying to stop it.
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Certainly it's coming and there ain't a single damn fool trying to stop it.
Yeah. I am. So are you. So there.
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Yeah. I am. So are you. So there.
yabutt... You and me ain't damn fools.
So there.
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yabutt... You and me ain't damn fools.
So there.
Well, believe it or not there are very, very few fooles here. We're selective about who we even let in the door.
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Then again. Am I a damned fool for thinking I ain't one? Context.
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Then again. Am I a damned fool for thinking I ain't one? Context.
:shrug:
(http://sevendestinies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/fool.jpg)
I prefer to think of you as a Friend.
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I think there's going to be a tremendous amount of voter regret when Biden and Co. get ahold of things, and shut down the economy again. Trump's greatest gift as our President this year has been that he was the one leader to ask bluntly whether the cure was worse the disease. And the damn-fool medieval barbers are about to prepare our livelihoods and our businesses for another blood-letting.
Trump should understand that the Dems have jumped in the briar patch, let 'em have their fun, clobber 'em in the 2022 midterms and then who knows?
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Jeezus, so much other shit going on in the world and all this energy being expended on a bunch of worthless pieces of human debris here.
This useless thread has been consuming TBR damned near the entire day...
Get on with some other real world shit already...toss these useless trolls off to the side and get on with it already.
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Right at this point it is nothing... Until it is something, it would be best to view all of it with a jaundiced eye. Note that I am not advising capitulation. And I never have. I am suggesting one should move forward vetting information from all sources till something actually proves out. Tub-thumping does nothing but bang the drum.
@roamer_1
@Cyber Liberty
(I agree, the Wolf Coat is great.) Back to the thread:
There is no reason to be gracious or not for us - you can let off steam on this board, which some do all the time or on special occasions, like an election. It doesn't matter. Why is that? Read below, cases going away, no one to yell for or against:
Heard today on TV, the lawyer team representing Trump in the Penn. suit, quit today. They did not want to continue and said the number of ballots involved, would not change the outcome. I think the Penn. case is over.
Also heard about 30 min. ago, 5 of the Trump cases in various states have been dropped today, due to no/not enough evidence.
This means at least 6 Trump/Biden cases are over.
Here is what I think about the Georgia two senator run-off election in January:
It is my belief Georgia is still a Republican state; however, those Republicans voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot as usual.
I also think this happened in other states, one being Arizona. It is like Georgia, still Republican, voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot.
Due to the above, I think the two Republican senator candidates in Georgia, will win their races. Georgia is Republican.
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:shrug:
(http://sevendestinies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/fool.jpg)
I prefer to think of you as a Friend.
It is rhetorical. I spent my life believing in a higher life, always higher. To must Myself I.
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Jeezus, so much other shit going on in the world and all this energy being expended on a bunch of worthless pieces of human debris here.
This useless thread has been consuming TBR damned near the entire day...
Get on with some other real world shit already...toss these useless trolls off to the side and get on with it already.
God is in the details.
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What's obvious is that you've put the rabbit in the hat. Georgia's SOS, you know, is a Republican, and a hand recount has been ordered. Let's see what that reveals before you go off half cocked.
The question was presented to you long before the Georgia SOS (party be damned) ordered a hand recount. Without the hand recount, you somehow thought things would be different with the Jan election than they were last week. I simply asked why you believed Democrats would abandon the strategy that was so successful before. Nothing half cocked about it. It is a simple, reasonable question, and one you are having extreme difficulty mustering the integrity to address it.
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All I can do is speak to my own, and I could not obtain a ballot this year. Sent or otherwise.
In contrast, one was sent to me without my even requesting it.
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Here is what I think about the Georgia two senator run-off election in January:
It is my belief Georgia is still a Republican state; however, those Republicans voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot as usual.
I also think this happened in other states, one being Arizona. It is like Georgia, still Republican, voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot.
Due to the above, I think the two Republican senator candidates in Georgia, will win their races. Georgia is Republican.
That is my optimistic view as well. The runoffs are going to be a metaphor for the choice as it should have been presented - risky progressivism vs. a steady hand for a jobs-focused economy for working folks.
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Heard today on TV, the lawyer team representing Trump in the Penn. suit, quit today. They did not want to continue and said the number of ballots involved, would not change the outcome. I think the Penn. case is over.
Aw geez, are we still on this? I warned you about watching CNN. The firm resigned because they got caught leaking to the New York Times that they were going to take Trump's money but not do anything to help. They were wide open to a lawsuit and had no choice but to withdraw. Good riddance.
In the meantime, Pennsylvania is already in violation of one court order, continues to defy another, and has a Secretary of State who is openly defying Pennsylvania Commonwealth law by refusing a recount. This battle has just begun.
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In contrast, one was sent to me without my even requesting it.
Whom did it voted for?
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Heard today on TV, the lawyer team representing Trump in the Penn. suit, quit today. They did not want to continue and said the number of ballots involved, would not change the outcome. I think the Penn. case is over.
Nope. The didn't quit because they thought case was a loser. They quit because they got caught blabbing to the press about how much they hate their client, and what a bunch of fools his supporters are. They were about to be fired en masse for a serious conflict of interest.
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The question was presented to you long before the Georgia SOS (party be damned) ordered a hand recount. Without the hand recount, you somehow thought things would be different with the Jan election than they were last week. I simply asked why you believed Democrats would abandon the strategy that was so successful before. Nothing half cocked about it. It is a simple, reasonable question, and one you are having extreme difficulty mustering the integrity to address it.
And I answered you reasonably. You insist that there's fraud and it'll be the same for the January run-off. I say let's see what the hand recount says. The only sort of thing that'll really matter isn't the penny-ante stuff, just something like the Dominion count being way out of whack with the hand count. But if the hand count is reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that's good enough for me.
But you put the rabbit in the hat with a question like that. I have no trouble believing that Trump lost Georgia without the help of any fraud.
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Jeezus, so much other shit going on in the world and all this energy being expended on a bunch of worthless pieces of human debris here.
This useless thread has been consuming TBR damned near the entire day...
Get on with some other real world shit already...toss these useless trolls off to the side and get on with it already.
I'm not sure, but I do believe it's our time to waste....
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Here is what I think about the Georgia two senator run-off election in January:
It is my belief Georgia is still a Republican state; however, those Republicans voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot as usual. . . . . It is like Georgia, still Republican, voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot.
Due to the above, I think the two Republican senator candidates in Georgia, will win their races. Georgia is Republican.
How do you reconcile your claim that Georgia Republicans dumped Trump with the fact that Trump received 18% more votes in 2020 than he received in 2016 and that 99.973% of 2020 Perdue voters also voted for Trump?
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Recounts may not matter, if this is true. The evidence to overturn would be contained in the data, or the code.
https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/us-army-seizes-dominion-servers-in-germany-trump-lawyer-vows-im-going-to-release-the-kraken.html/ (https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/us-army-seizes-dominion-servers-in-germany-trump-lawyer-vows-im-going-to-release-the-kraken.html/)
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I'm not sure, but I do believe it's our time to waste....
Taking a shit or wasting time.
Hmmmm...
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Taking a shit or wasting time.
Hmmmm...
The former is a time of waste, the latter a waste of time.
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The former is a time of waste, the latter a waste of time.
No shit.?...
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And I answered you reasonably.
No, you did not.
You insist that there's fraud and it'll be the same for the January run-off. I say let's see what the hand recount says. The only sort of thing that'll really matter isn't the penny-ante stuff, just something like the Dominion count being way out of whack with the hand count. But if the hand count is reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that's good enough for me.
If the hand count is not reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that will prove that Dominion cannot be trusted.
But you put the rabbit in the hat with a question like that. I have no trouble believing that Trump lost Georgia without the help of any fraud.
I didn't simply pull a rabbit out of a hat. I gave you precise details of how the rabbit got there, all of which you willfully continue to ignore. I do not dispute that you have no trouble believing Trump lost Georgia without the help of any fraud. I only assert that absolutely no reason or critical thought was employed by you to reach that conclusion. It is one purely derived on emotion.
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No shit.?...
No. Waste. I'm really good at that.
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You said: "Aw geez, are we still on this? I warned you about watching CNN."
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I watch all TV news stations. Maybe you only watch Fox News. I also search on the internet for the truth. I read what the law firm said about leaving the Penn. case. Also read, internet, that some lawyers in their firm did not want to be involved with such a political case. You can believe what you want, but the firm is no longer involved with that case.
I watched as every charge was made about the Penn. election because it was about the process and that is what I know a lot about, especially mail ballots because I ran that in my county for 14 years.
In Penn., I know which mail ballots were set aside, sealed in plastic and not counted until that problem was solved.
I also know from the internet, a number of the Biden/Trump cases were dropped today in some states.
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Recounts may not matter, if this is true. The evidence to overturn would be contained in the data, or the code.
https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/us-army-seizes-dominion-servers-in-germany-trump-lawyer-vows-im-going-to-release-the-kraken.html/ (https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/us-army-seizes-dominion-servers-in-germany-trump-lawyer-vows-im-going-to-release-the-kraken.html/)
I am going to throw out a new info thread.
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Recounts may not matter, if this is true. The evidence to overturn would be contained in the data, or the code.
And I hope it actually is true... But it is going to take more than showing javascript outputs (not the actual offending code, but just the output from that code) as has been the only proffered evidence thus far - And that code purported to be nefarious, only took output from the voting system, and had nothing to do with the system itself - Only supposedly manipulating totals going to the media.
Publish the code itself and make it plain. There's enough coders on all sides of the fence that can read it outright and attest to its veracity.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,419858.msg2326102.html#msg2326102 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,419858.msg2326102.html#msg2326102)
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@roamer_1
@Cyber Liberty
(I agree, the Wolf Coat is great.) Back to the thread:
There is no reason to be gracious or not for us - you can let off steam on this board, which some do all the time or on special occasions, like an election. It doesn't matter. Why is that? Read below, cases going away, no one to yell for or against:
Heard today on TV, the lawyer team representing Trump in the Penn. suit, quit today. They did not want to continue and said the number of ballots involved, would not change the outcome. I think the Penn. case is over.
Also heard about 30 min. ago, 5 of the Trump cases in various states have been dropped today, due to no/not enough evidence.
This means at least 6 Trump/Biden cases are over.
I doubt very much that it will be called early and Tumpy will fold up his tent with a month to go. If rumors are true that he is going to concede this weekend, then the whole hue and cry about massive fraud was bullcrap, plain and simple, and he was playing media games to save face.
I don't think that is what is going on. Ginning up charges has some purpose beyond letting it fall flat a week out with a month to go.
Here is what I think about the Georgia two senator run-off election in January:
It is my belief Georgia is still a Republican state; however, those Republicans voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot as usual.
I also think this happened in other states, one being Arizona. It is like Georgia, still Republican, voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot.
Due to the above, I think the two Republican senator candidates in Georgia, will win their races. Georgia is Republican.
I think that is likely right. But I think it will take a return to conservatism, and fiscal conservatism in particular before Republicans have any credz at all... And that may well be the problem.
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Someone who is with the Cruz camp, said 20+ cases of Trump vs. Biden, have been dropped. Will look that up tomorrow.
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If the hand count is not reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that will prove that Dominion cannot be trusted.
Well sure. But I don't presume there's a problem until there's evidence suggesting it. Like I said, it is perfectly logical to me that Trump lost the state of Georgia without the least bit of help from vote fraud.
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If machines were electronically changing votes, I do not know if they can determine the exact votes changed. If I were a Supreme, I would demand a 2nd election for all states with changing votes, and make it mandatory that all votes are paper ballot votes.
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I'm not sure, but I do believe it's our time to waste....
@Cyber Liberty...well played. :beer:
Yes it is yours and others time to waste...just tired of this thread consuming so much bandwidth on the forum.
I guess I've grown accustomed to other more engaging discussions than this one.
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If machines were electronically changing votes, I do not know if they can determine the exact votes changed. If I were a Supreme, I would demand a 2nd election for all states with changing votes, and make it mandatory that all votes are paper ballot votes.
The machines generate a transactional paper receipt for every vote tabulated. 'Flipping votes' would be very hard to do without massive vote overruns in any effective way without those paper receipts showing the difference.
And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)
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The machines generate a transactional paper receipt for every vote tabulated. 'Flipping votes' would be very hard to do without massive vote overruns in any effective way without those paper receipts showing the difference.
And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)
I believe some of the massive discrepancies can be attributed to the unsupervised counting of ballots while allegedly shut down. One explanation was that the machines had been programmed to slip in a few votes here and there over time, for one candidate, and that when the count was halted, the algorithm continued to feed those biased 'votes in' resulting in a sharp jump when the counting was resumed. As these were absentee or mail in ballots, I'm not sure what good a transactional receipt would be with no one there to claim it.
There are enough irregularities, both procedural and numerical, that the results need a scrupulous examination at the very least.
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At the core this thread is about acountability, truth, honesty.
Can't handle it?
Cliche passe
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There are enough irregularities, both procedural and numerical, that the results need a scrupulous examination at the very least.
That much is true - And I am all for it. Any impropriety or irregularity should rightly be addressed.
But frankly - And I have thought about this for a while - I don't see an easy way to flip these votes without it showing up in accounting (hand count).
The accusation has been raised in Georgia - Lets see how that goes. If it shows the massive fraud that folks say went on, then it can be that it demonstrates the same statistical anomalies exist elsewhere, bolstering the argument in other states.
I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.
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I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.
Don't blame us. :shrug:
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I believe the numbers are something like 11,000 or 17,000 at one time. And I have also seen mentioned 6,000. Do that ten times, and four of these elections flip to Trump.
Any block of votes electronically changing would warrant a 2nd election if I were a Supreme. I do not believe it true that one can fully audit such chicanery.
If Biden is installed as POTUS, and he shuts the country down, this country will come as close as it ever has to an armed insurrection as it ever has in its history. And to make matters worse, his decisions will send the country into perhaps a 2nd depression.
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Don't blame us. :shrug:
Oh I don't. I know most folks think computer code is magic.
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That much is true - And I am all for it. Any impropriety or irregularity should rightly be addressed.
But frankly - And I have thought about this for a while - I don't see an easy way to flip these votes without it showing up in accounting (hand count).
The accusation has been raised in Georgia - Lets see how that goes. If it shows the massive fraud that folks say went on, then it can be that it demonstrates the same statistical anomalies exist elsewhere, bolstering the argument in other states.
I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.
The WSJ praised Georgia's decision to do a complete hand count in its lead editorial yesterday. It is perhaps the most efficient way of showing voters that there was no significant fraud, or that the appalling scenario exists of thousands of votes changed or fabricated. Stories have been making the rounds for days that hand counts "always" show discrepancies in the hundreds, not thousands.
We'll see.
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I believe the numbers are something like 11,000 or 17,000 at one time. And I have also seen mentioned 6,000. Do that ten times, and four of these elections flip to Trump.
Any block of votes electronically changing would warrant a 2nd election if I were a Supreme. I do not believe it true that one can fully audit such chicanery.
That's just it - Number changes that big would be impossible to reckon with the paper receipt. 11000 flipped is 22k difference. That is impossible to hide in a way that reconciles to the paper receipt.
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Oh I don't. I know most folks think computer code is magic.
You do know your horse isn't "folks" and the chat room in your head isn't real ... don't ya?
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The WSJ praised Georgia's decision to do a complete hand count in its lead editorial yesterday. It is perhaps the most efficient way of showing voters that there was no significant fraud,
That's wrong. An audit recount is the best way to identify fraud.
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The WSJ praised Georgia's decision to do a complete hand count in its lead editorial yesterday. It is perhaps the most efficient way of showing voters that there was no significant fraud, or that the appalling scenario exists of thousands of votes changed or fabricated. Stories have been making the rounds for days that hand counts "always" show discrepancies in the hundreds, not thousands.
We'll see.
That's right - We will see. And I praise Georgia as well, and wish the other states in contention would do likewise just as a matter of course.
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That's right -
That's still wrong. An audit recount is the best way to identify fraud.
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That much is true - And I am all for it. Any impropriety or irregularity should rightly be addressed.
But frankly - And I have thought about this for a while - I don't see an easy way to flip these votes without it showing up in accounting (hand count).
The accusation has been raised in Georgia - Lets see how that goes. If it shows the massive fraud that folks say went on, then it can be that it demonstrates the same statistical anomalies exist elsewhere, bolstering the argument in other states.
I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.
They invent a system that is proprietary and unleash it on the public at large. Implemented to elections.
Owned by the enemy.
I am tired of it. The last 20 years. At the least.
You run enough geek.
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You do know your horse isn't "folks" and the chat room in your head isn't real ... don't ya?
My horse is much smarter than most folks... And there's nobody in my head but me. happy77
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That's wrong. An audit recount is the best way to identify fraud.
What is the difference? More to the point, how does the Georgia hand count (as I call it) fail to measure up?
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What is the difference? More to the point, how does the Georgia hand count (as I call it) fail to measure up?
At the end of many movies they are burning things.
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They invent a system that is proprietary and unleash it on the public at large. Implemented to elections.
Owned by the enemy.
I am tired of it. The last 20 years. At the least.
You run enough geek.
Most everything you run that's electronic has proprietary software. The closest to free would be a droid phone, which is only partly proprietary... Only the parts that count... So that the software in computing elections is proprietary is no great shock. If it was counted by hand and entered into a Windows box on an Excel spreadsheet, it would still be on proprietary software.
As a proponent of open source, of course I would prefer an open source system. That is the only way to approach something honest.
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What is the difference? More to the point, how does the Georgia hand count (as I call it) fail to measure up?
If I thought for one moment you were doing anything other than trolling, I'd help you. Do your own damn research. Start with "recanvass".
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If I thought for one moment you were doing anything other than trolling, I'd help you. Do your own damn research. Start with "recanvass".
I'm sorry you are so cynical.
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I'm sorry you are so cynical.
No. You are not. Cynical .
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I think the Georgia hand count becomes the marker. If it shows no appreciable discrepancy with the tabulated vote, then Trump should rightfully concede. If it doesn't, well, let's take it from there. There may be some common ground to fight.
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I'm sorry you are so cynical.
You misspelled "truthful".
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I think that is likely right. But I think it will take a return to conservatism, and fiscal conservatism in particular before Republicans have any credz at all... And that may well be the problem.
Again, 99.973% of 2020 Perdue voters also voted for Trump.
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I think the Georgia hand count becomes the marker. If it shows no appreciable discrepancy with the tabulated vote, then Trump should rightfully concede. If it doesn't, well, let's take it from there. There may be some common ground to fight.
There is also the issue where the Secretary of State unilaterally (and illegally) overwrote State law as it pertains to mail-in ballots. And then there is the issue of ballot harvesting, which is also illegal in Georgia. At minimum, 60k harvested ballots were filed in Dekalb County. All points which you choose to ignore.
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You misspelled "honest".
You are too rational with this one. Small rations of rationale suffice.
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There is also the issue where the Secretary of State unilaterally (and illegally) overwrote State law as it pertains to mail-in ballots. And then there is the issue of ballot harvesting, which is also illegal in Georgia. At minimum, 60k harvested ballots were filed in Dekalb County. All points which you choose to ignore.
What do you mean by harvested ballots? How was the Georgia law violated?
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Again, 99.973% of 2020 Perdue voters also voted for Trump.
So what?
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And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)
BFD! It's been said that any laborer in the Pennsylvania coal mines could learn to code. :laugh:
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BFD! It's been said that any laborer in the Pennsylvania coal mines could learn to code. :laugh:
:laugh:
YAbutt... the talent comes when coding WELL.
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So what?
@Victoria33 's contention was that Georgia Republicans voted for down-ticket Republicans, but also voted for Biden over Trump. You responded that that was likely right. But the numbers show otherwise. Of those voting for down-ticket David Perdue, 99.973% of them also voted for Trump.
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@Victoria33 's contention was that Georgia Republicans voted for down-ticket Republicans, but also voted for Biden over Trump. You responded that that was likely right. But the numbers show otherwise. Of those voting for down-ticket David Perdue, 99.973% of them also voted for Trump.
Dat's why we gotsta see the hand count.
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@Victoria33 's contention was that Georgia Republicans voted for down-ticket Republicans, but also voted for Biden over Trump. You responded that that was likely right. But the numbers show otherwise. Of those voting for down-ticket David Perdue, 99.973% of them also voted for Trump.
That is not *all* that @Victoria33 said - I was agreeing with the general tenor of her post... That GA is likely still a red state. Whether the vagaries of exit polls and sundry measurments otherwise or not.
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Dat's why we gotsta see the hand count.
Uh, no. We don't need a hand count to determine that her claim was patently false.
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That is not *all* that @Victoria33 said - I was agreeing with the general tenor of her post... That GA is likely still a red state. Whether the vagaries of exit polls and sundry measurments otherwise or not.
OK, I stand corrected. But Georgia isn't a red state if Dems are allowed to tabulate ballots behind closed doors outside the sight of election monitors, harvest votes through bogus mail-in applications, and install malware in the voting machine network.
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OK, I stand corrected. But Georgia isn't a red state if Dems are allowed to tabulate ballots behind closed doors outside the sight of election monitors, harvest votes through bogus mail-in applications, and install malware in the voting machine network.
As I have said, over and again, every irregularity should be tested in the courts, whether it would change the result or not. If the evidence will not prove in court, then sour grapes. And I would say that of any and every election, from any side.
As of now, your allegations are just that. Let's see what actually pans out.
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Bookmark
:bkmk: 333cleo
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The machines generate a transactional paper receipt for every vote tabulated. 'Flipping votes' would be very hard to do without massive vote overruns in any effective way without those paper receipts showing the difference.
And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)
I have never once said a word about a voting machine that voters interface with. The PROBLEM here is the tabulating machines in the central counting areas that only officials have access to. And whether or not THOSE machines are, in any way, connected to the internet. And @Smokin Joe is entirely right in talking about crooked elections officials with access to those machines uploading crooked votes in the dead of night when everyone else has been sent home.
@roamer_1
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(https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/815/629/original/ab29b425577360f3.png)
And you can bet your @$$ that Georgia was NOT the only place where this kind of stuff went on!
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@roamer_1
@Cyber Liberty
How votes are counted in counties:
In counties, there is an equal number of Democrats and Republicans in Central Counting. These workers are selected by their Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman. If the counting goes on all night, Republicans and Democrats are still there, likely other Reps and Dems come to take the place of the ones who worked all day. The point is, both parties are there if Central Counting keeps counting through the night.
Years ago, when my husband and I started a Republican Party in a county that had no Republican Party, only had Democrats in office, the Democrat County Clerk would not allow Republicans to be in Central Counting. So, I wrote a law establishing a Judge of Central Counting just as there is an Election Judge in every voting precinct. This law was approved/passed by both the Texas House and Texas Senate. In this law creating a Judge of Central Counting, the Judge must be of the party of the Governor now in office. Since a Republican was/is the governor, the Judge of Central Counting in every county of Texas must be a Republican. Writing that law meant all counties must have a Republican Judge in Central Counting. If you live in Texas, your county goes by "my" law to have a Judge of Central Countning and the Judge must be a Republican.
No longer could this Democrat County Clerk in our county, keep Republicans out of Central Counting. This was printed in our weekly paper and I was told by one in her office, that when she read that, she threw the paper across the room. (She hated my guts from then on.)
My point here is, there are laws in every state that determine how votes are counted and who counts them. It is not a free for all fight in a county when ballots are counted, either paper ballots, or machine counting.
I think I wrote about how tabulation machines are bought. In Texas, a county can only buy machines approved by the Secretary of State and Dominion machines were not approved.
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@Cyber Liberty...well played. :beer:
Yes it is yours and others time to waste...just tired of this thread consuming so much bandwidth on the forum.
I guess I've grown accustomed to other more engaging discussions than this one.
It happens every time a really hot topic comes up. Our choice is to either let it go, or split it into multiple topics, which makes it worse because then there are multiple topics on the subject, and the conversations become fragmented. We gave up trying to control that years ago and decided it's best to just leave it. :shrug:
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OK, I stand corrected. But Georgia isn't a red state if Dems are allowed to tabulate ballots behind closed doors outside the sight of election monitors, harvest votes through bogus mail-in applications, and install malware in the voting machine network.
@Hoodat
See my post 309 about counting ballots in general.
Both Republicans and Democrats TOGETHER, approve or reject mail ballots. They are behind closed doors, but approved poll watchers can be there.
Both machines used by voting precincts and tabulation machines in Central Counting are checked for accuracy and locked up before election day.
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@Hoodat
See my post 309 about counting ballots in general.
Both Republicans and Democrats TOGETHER, approve or reject mail ballots. They are behind closed doors, but approved poll watchers can be there.
Both machines used by voting precincts and tabulation machines in Central Counting are checked for accuracy and locked up before election day.
Do you even get the concept of cheating? Just wondering.
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Dat's why we gotsta see the hand count.
A "Hand Count" is not the be-all, end-all of accuracy. A human is only capable of "3 Sigma" accuracy, which translates to about 99.3% accuracy. Not bad, but not good enough either. A machine is capable of "6 Sigma," which much tighter and measured in "parts per million." 6 Sigma is about 6 ppm.
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Do you even get the concept of cheating? Just wondering.
Where are the work orders to fix the water leak? The one that 'shut down' the count in GA that managed to continue anyway, just without the legally required oversight?
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@Hoodat
See my post 309 about counting ballots in general.
Both Republicans and Democrats TOGETHER, approve or reject mail ballots. They are behind closed doors, but approved poll watchers can be there.
Both machines used by voting precincts and tabulation machines in Central Counting are checked for accuracy and locked up before election day.
True enough at first blush, but I must note: AZ requires both a Dem and Rep to count the ballots together. That opens an avenue for somebody to throw sand in the gears: In the Peoples Republic of Maricopa, the Rats decided to boycott the counting, which is why they were counting 150,000 ballots a day last week, but are now only counting a couple thousand per day (if that).
You failed to take into account Democrat chicanery, and that is always a mistake! In PA, the Dems allowed observers, but they were roped off so far away they could not see what was happening without a telescope. There were some counting machines that were >125 feet away from the Observers! In Deetroit, it was even worse because not only did they not allow Observers into the building, they covered all the windows with cardboard so they could not see even from the street.
That doesn't even begin to address the fact that elections officials in states where Democrats ran the elections, told everybody to go home for the night, and during that time thousands and thousands of ballets "appeared" at the moment Biteme mysteriously jumped into the lead in MI, PA, WI and GA. there were no Observers there, either
I don't think this would be OK for you, with your knowledge of election laws, but it is certainly not OK for me (a "reasonable person")
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@Hoodat
See my post 309 about counting ballots in general.
Both Republicans and Democrats TOGETHER, approve or reject mail ballots. They are behind closed doors, but approved poll watchers can be there.
Both machines used by voting precincts and tabulation machines in Central Counting are checked for accuracy and locked up before election day.
@Victoria33
Again . . . here in Georgia on election night, Fulton and Dekalb Counties called a halt to the counting around midnight and told the approved poll watchers to go home and return the next morning. After they left, both counties resumed counting throughout the night with no poll watchers present.
You keep going back to this perfect election world of yours where everyone follows the rules. But I keep going back to what actually happened.
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@Victoria33
Again . . . here in Georgia on election night, Fulton and Dekalb Counties called a halt to the counting around midnight and told the approved poll watchers to go home and return the next morning. After they left, both counties resumed counting throughout the night with no poll watchers present.
You keep going back to this perfect election world of yours where everyone follows the rules. But I keep going back to what actually happened.
Are they Still counting?
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I have never once said a word about a voting machine that voters interface with. The PROBLEM here is the tabulating machines in the central counting areas that only officials have access to. And whether or not THOSE machines are, in any way, connected to the internet. And @Smokin Joe is entirely right in talking about crooked elections officials with access to those machines uploading crooked votes in the dead of night when everyone else has been sent home.
@roamer_1
It is funny @Bigun how you and I have swapped places - I know perfectly well how to hack machines, and I have told you as much. But I have since changed my mind quite the other way.
Every machine is examined and certified by the state election board... every machine produces an audit-able record... Unless I am mistaken in my knowledge (which is certainly very possible), that includes the central tabulating machines, which also are audit-able against their itemized client machines.
One would have to falsify the record in each of the client machines in order to creat receipts in each of those, which must somehow 'add up' against the audit report in the tablulation machines, and the exact same the pther way around - to 'fix' the vote in the tabulation server, you would have to alter the count, and the audit record, justified according to the client machines the votes derived from, and alter the count and receipts in multiple client machines, also somehow to match their respective receipts.
That is a tough nut to crack.
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Are they Still counting?
Biden has picked up another 30 votes since yesterday.
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True enough at first blush, but I must note: AZ requires both a Dem and Rep to count the ballots together. That opens an avenue for somebody to throw sand in the gears: In the Peoples Republic of Maricopa, the Rats decided to boycott the counting, which is why they were counting 150,000 ballots a day last week, but are now only counting a couple thousand per day (if that).
You failed to take into account Democrat chicanery, and that is always a mistake! In PA, the Dems allowed observers, but they were roped off so far away they could not see what was happening without a telescope. There were some counting machines that were >125 feet away from the Observers! In Deetroit, it was even worse because not only did they not allow Observers into the building, they covered all the windows with cardboard so they could not see even from the street.
That doesn't even begin to address the fact that elections officials in states where Democrats ran the elections, told everybody to go home for the night, and during that time thousands and thousands of ballets "appeared" at the moment Biteme mysteriously jumped into the lead in MI, PA, WI and GA. there were no Observers there, either
I don't think this would be OK for you, with your knowledge of election laws, but it is certainly not OK for me (a "reasonable person")
...and when a question or suspicion arises during the canvassing or recount where irregularities are found and begs an answer: is this an innocent error or was it cheating? (Use your memory. Recall the insanity of the last four years of repeated accusations and attempts “they†used (you know who they are) to literally depose Trump in anyway they could).
What answer do you get? YES! They had the motive, the opportunity and the means to steal this election away from a president who got ten million more votes than last election; who enjoyed 90+ percent approval rating by republicans and had 53 percent approval nationally going into the election.
And need I remind anyone about the weak, compromised, flawed on so many levels, democrat candidate?
This entire election result is simply not credible without the element of massive cheating high up the chain of democrat election officials and politicians.
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Every machine is examined and certified by the state election board... every machine produces an audit-able record... Unless I am mistaken in my knowledge (which is certainly very possible), that includes the central tabulating machines, which also are audit-able against their itemized client machines.
At any point between certification up until the end of an election, anyone can gain access to a machine and alter the code. Anyone. No password needed, by design.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,419858.msg2326102.html#msg2326102 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,419858.msg2326102.html#msg2326102)
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Voting machine hacked in under two minutes
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M8iSRqlNuo#)
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Domo Arigato
Mr Roboto
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At any point between certification up until the end of an election, anyone can gain access to a machine and alter the code. Anyone. No password needed, by design.
Yeah, I believe that to be bullcrap. I think it is probably true for testing and simulation purposes, and because those testing and simulation scenarios exist, folks have their hair on fire. But standard IT practice on sensitive machines would be a lockdown... every port has a mechanical door that can be locked, to include the monitor and keyboard access.
I find it very hard to believe that a state elections board with both parties in attendance would not have reasonable IT professionals in service, and such a locked down scenario. Heck, even my headless servers here are locked out, taking instruction only from an RDP port and/or a VNC port, and both of those passworded. And mine are not secure servers.
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Yeah, I believe that to be bullcrap. I think it is probably true for testing and simulation purposes, and because those testing and simulation scenarios exist, folks have their hair on fire. But standard IT practice on sensitive machines would be a lockdown... every port has a mechanical door that can be locked, to include the monitor and keyboard access.
I find it very hard to believe that a state elections board with both parties in attendance would not have reasonable IT professionals in service, and such a locked down scenario. Heck, even my headless servers here are locked out, taking instruction only from an RDP port and/or a VNC port, and both of those passworded. And mine are not secure servers.
Your shooting yourself with this, imo. ONLY IT pros that have access to the code. Maybe I am wrong, tell me so.
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Yeah, I believe that to be bullcrap. I think it is probably true for testing and simulation purposes, and because those testing and simulation scenarios exist, folks have their hair on fire. But standard IT practice on sensitive machines would be a lockdown... every port has a mechanical door that can be locked, to include the monitor and keyboard access.
I find it very hard to believe that a state elections board with both parties in attendance would not have reasonable IT professionals in service, and such a locked down scenario. Heck, even my headless servers here are locked out, taking instruction only from an RDP port and/or a VNC port, and both of those passworded. And mine are not secure servers.
Do you think that the local election officials have even the most remote idea of what "company" technicians actually do when they "service" those tabulating machines @roamer_1? I sure as hell don't! In fact, I know damned well they don't because I was one of those local officials for more than 25 years!
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Yeah, I believe that to be bullcrap. I think it is probably true for testing and simulation purposes, and because those testing and simulation scenarios exist, folks have their hair on fire. But standard IT practice on sensitive machines would be a lockdown... every port has a mechanical door that can be locked, to include the monitor and keyboard access.
I find it very hard to believe that a state elections board with both parties in attendance would not have reasonable IT professionals in service, and such a locked down scenario. Heck, even my headless servers here are locked out, taking instruction only from an RDP port and/or a VNC port, and both of those passworded. And mine are not secure servers.
And that is where it broke down. There are repeated instances where the Rats excluded the GOP from the process. In Arizona, the Chair of the Maricopa GOP just resigned when it was discovered he failed to sign off on the use of Dominion to count the ballots, so that was also illegal.
Democrats break the law. Quoters of Election Laws consistently fail to take that into account.
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Your shooting yourself with this, imo. ONLY IT pros that have access to the code. Maybe I am wrong, tell me so.
Well yeah, but that is always so... I am accustomed to lockdown conditions for Chain of Custody purposes... with a knowledgeable IT guy looking over my shoulder at every moment. Same goes for hard drive destruction...
As far as the code itself - the finished software would be in an installation package with an m5d checksum provided - The initial software is thus tamperproof. The working software, less it's configuration files, will also be testable in it's various parts according to file size and dates. I do this all the time with operating system files to see if they've become corrupt, or some outdated .dll file didn't get replaced...
Configuration is another thing though, as those files change by their nature, but can be captured at a specific time (like upon certification)... and a 'picture' taken of the software, or the whole dang machine to have a sure record of the machine and software state at the time of cert.
So no, it is pretty hard to change a forensically recorded system.
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Do you think that the local election officials have even the most remote idea of what "company" technicians actually do when they "service" those tabulating machines @roamer_1? I sure as hell don't! In fact, I know damned well they don't because I was one of those local officials for more than 25 years!
Probably not. But the local yokels would not normally be able to access the system in an editable way, if having any access at all.
But state certifiers would likely be charged with that responsibility, not local boards.
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Well yeah, but that is always so... I am accustomed to lockdown conditions for Chain of Custody purposes... with a knowledgeable IT guy looking over my shoulder at every moment. Same goes for hard drive destruction...
As far as the code itself - the finished software would be in an installation package with an m5d checksum provided - The initial software is thus tamperproof. The working software, less it's configuration files, will also be testable in it's various parts according to file size and dates. I do this all the time with operating system files to see if they've become corrupt, or some outdated .dll file didn't get replaced...
Configuration is another thing though, as those files change by their nature, but can be captured at a specific time (like upon certification)... and a 'picture' taken of the software, or the whole dang machine to have a sure record of the machine and software state at the time of cert.
So no, it is pretty hard to change a forensically recorded system.
This is my point. How can anyone down the line say this is bad code if they don't know the original code is effed up?
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And that is where it broke down. There are repeated instances where the Rats excluded the GOP from the process. In Arizona, the Chair of the Maricopa GOP just resigned when it was discovered he failed to sign off on the use of Dominion to count the ballots, so that was also illegal.
Democrats break the law. Quoters of Election Laws consistently fail to take that into account.
And like I said, any irregularities like that should be prosecuted.
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This is my point. How can anyone down the line say this is bad code if they don't know the original code is effed up?
The original code is not effed up if it is in it's certified state in it's installation package, with an m5d (or like) checksum provided.
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A "Hand Count" is not the be-all, end-all of accuracy. A human is only capable of "3 Sigma" accuracy, which translates to about 99.3% accuracy. Not bad, but not good enough either. A machine is capable of "6 Sigma," which much tighter and measured in "parts per million." 6 Sigma is about 6 ppm.
@Cyber Liberty
And here I was thinking a "3 Sigma" meant me and 3 college babes.
Note to self. MUST contact Santa soon!
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Georgia
Just to put an end to this LIE that Georgia Republicans abandoned Trump but voted straight GOP down ticket:
- 99.973% of David Perdue voters also voted for Trump. In other words, out of 2,458,665 Perdue voters, only 663 of them failed to vote for Trump.
- Biden received 4.22% more votes for than did John Ossoff. In other words, 100,000 people cast votes for Biden without casting votes for down-ticket Democrats.
Think about that. One hundred thousand ballots were submitted with only one race filled out. And these ballots were concentrated in only two counties - Fulton and Dekalb. Can you say "ballot harvesting"?
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And like I said, any irregularities like that should be prosecuted.
They won't be, if a Rat becomes the new AG. The states will drop the prosecutions if the Feds do.
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Georgia
Just to put an end to this LIE that Georgia Republicans abandoned Trump but voted straight GOP down ticket:
- 99.973% of David Perdue voters also voted for Trump. In other words, out of 2,458,665 Perdue voters, only 663 of them failed to vote for Trump.
- Biden received 4.22% more votes for than did John Ossoff. In other words, 100,000 people cast votes for Biden without casting votes for down-ticket Democrats.
Think about that. One hundred thousand ballots were submitted with only one race filled out. And these ballots were concentrated in only two counties - Fulton and Dekalb. Can you say "ballot harvesting"?
@Hoodat
How do you know those weren't real people who just didn't have enough time to mark more than one box because of emergencies like the Free Clinic closing soon,some bitch dun need slapp-in in place,gotta get back to the squat causen de publik housin nazi done gonna cum by and see ifn my bitch be living aloan,de liquor stoe closin soon,it's past my bedtime,or even "the grass round mah grave ain't gonna cut itself!"
There are all kinds of reasons for only one box to be marked,but "late for a Mensa meeting" is NEVER one of them.
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@Cyber Liberty
And here I was thinking a "3 Sigma" meant me and 3 college babes.
Note to self. MUST contact Santa soon!
LOL! Back in my college days in the 70's, we had the Sorority "Sigma Sigma Sigma," AKA "Tri-Sigs."
Their nickname was "Tri-Pigs."
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They won't be, if a Rat becomes the new AG. The states will drop the prosecutions if the Feds do.
Many of the states in question have Republican legislatures. If they sweep it under the rug, you'll know why I am not a Republican anymore.
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Probably not. But the local yokels would not normally be able to access the system in an editable way, if having any access at all.
But state certifiers would likely be charged with that responsibility, not local boards.
Yep! And the state of Texas refused to certify Dominion systems three separate times!
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/11/10/state-of-texas-refused-to-certify-dominion-voting-systems-for-its-elections-in-2020/
But in Georgia, and likely many more states, this, or something closely akin, happened.
(https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/815/629/original/ab29b425577360f3.png)
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Georgia
Just to put an end to this LIE that Georgia Republicans abandoned Trump but voted straight GOP down ticket:
- 99.973% of David Perdue voters also voted for Trump. In other words, out of 2,458,665 Perdue voters, only 663 of them failed to vote for Trump.
- Biden received 4.22% more votes for than did John Ossoff. In other words, 100,000 people cast votes for Biden without casting votes for down-ticket Democrats.
Think about that. One hundred thousand ballots were submitted with only one race filled out. And these ballots were concentrated in only two counties - Fulton and Dekalb. Can you say "ballot harvesting"?
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Well yeah, but that is always so... I am accustomed to lockdown conditions for Chain of Custody purposes... with a knowledgeable IT guy looking over my shoulder at every moment. Same goes for hard drive destruction...
Which is the way it should be. However, this is local government we are talking about here. Think lowest common denominator. Anyone could have accessed those machines. Anyone. Even the IT workers themselves. None of these people incur background checks. Many are already blatantly political and would fail one if implemented. These types of people do not exist in your security world.
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Many of the states in question have Republican legislatures. If they sweep it under the rug, you'll know why I am not a Republican anymore.
ICYMI, I'm agreeing with you on this.
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@Hoodat
How do you know those weren't real people who just didn't have enough time to mark more than one box because of emergencies like . . .
More likely, someone sitting at a table with a stack of mail-in ballots in front of them thinking, "I'm only getting paid for Biden votes. Screw filling in the rest of these boxes."
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Many of the states in question have Republican legislatures. If they sweep it under the rug, you'll know why I am not a Republican anymore.
I'm with you on that. 100%. Unfortunately, the Republican candidate is the only one offering me a ride to the dance.
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Which is the way it should be. However, this is local government we are talking about here. Think lowest common denominator. Anyone could have accessed those machines. Anyone. Even the IT workers themselves. None of these people incur background checks. Many are already blatantly political and would fail one if implemented. These types of people do not exist in your security world.
In my experience, it is standard practice to have IT techs from the vendors standing by on election day "to do what needs to be done" in case there are any "glitches"
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Yep! And the state of Texas refused to certify Dominion systems three separate times!
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/11/10/state-of-texas-refused-to-certify-dominion-voting-systems-for-its-elections-in-2020/
But in Georgia, and likely many more states, this, or something closely akin, happened.
Then it should show in the recount in GA... Like I said all along, I am all for prosecution. But like in all things, I want actionable proof, not internet gossip. If what you believe is true, the hand count should necessarily expose electronic tampering.
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LOL! Back in my college days in the 70's, we had the Sorority "Sigma Sigma Sigma," AKA "Tri-Sigs."
Their nickname was "Tri-Pigs."
I think every school had a third tier organization. Zeta Tau Alpha was Zits, Tits, and Armpits.
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Which is the way it should be. However, this is local government we are talking about here. Think lowest common denominator. Anyone could have accessed those machines. Anyone. Even the IT workers themselves. None of these people incur background checks. Many are already blatantly political and would fail one if implemented. These types of people do not exist in your security world.
Sure they do - They're called 'Users' :silly:
And it is not local government. It is state election certification boards. That's going to have access to high level IT folks that should be able to subvert any widespread tampering. Locked machines in kiosk mode is what is at the local level.
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Then it should show in the recount in GA... Like I said all along, I am all for prosecution. But like in all things, I want actionable proof, not internet gossip. If what you believe is true, the hand count should necessarily expose electronic tampering.
Maybe! An actual witnessed buy both sides, audit of every single ballot would for sure! Not sure that is actually what's happening, however.
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@Cyber Liberty
My answers in bold.
True enough at first blush, but I must note: AZ requires both a Dem and Rep to count the ballots together. That opens an avenue for somebody to throw sand in the gears: In the Peoples Republic of Maricopa, the Rats decided to boycott the counting, which is why they were counting 150,000 ballots a day last week, but are now only counting a couple thousand per day (if that).
The Dems could be there or not be there. Stupid to choose not being there.
You failed to take into account Democrat chicanery, and that is always a mistake! In PA, the Dems allowed observers, but they were roped off so far away they could not see what was happening without a telescope.
I watched that as it happened. There were both Dems and Reps working on mail ballots - one Dem and one Rep checking one ballot materials. They were not counting these ballots - they were stacking up the qualified ballots and then they would go to the workers (Dems and Reps) working the tabulating machines.
The only people allowed in that room besides the Judge and appointed workers (appointed by Dem and Rep Chairman), are the certified poll watchers. This is to protect the workers, so the identity of the workers will not be out in public.
There were some counting machines that were >125 feet away from the Observers!
The only people in Central Counting where the tabulation machines are, are the Dems and Reps working those machines AND certified poll watchers. Reps were there working alongside Dems so there were Reps there; the Dems could not keep out Rep workers.
In Deetroit, it was even worse because not only did they not allow Observers into the building, they covered all the windows with cardboard so they could not see even from the street.
Think "Security". Only qualified workers and certified poll watchers, both Dems and Reps are in that building. Opening the building, would get you physical fighting and perhaps, killing.
I watched the workers put up cardboard on the outside of the windows, so the general public could not see the workers and I was glad they did it, to protect the workers. If that had been my Early Voting Ballot Board, I would have put up the cardboard myself but would have covered the windows from the inside; would not be on the outside of the window with all the public there.
That doesn't even begin to address the fact that elections officials in states where Democrats ran the elections,...
Both Dems and Reps work in federal elections including Central Counting. No state has only one party holding a federal general election with no one other than Dems (or Reps) running it.
...told everybody to go home for the night, and during that time thousands and thousands of ballets "appeared" at the moment Biteme mysteriously jumped into the lead in MI, PA, WI and GA. there were no Observers there, either.
This did not happen in the middle of the night with only Dems there; what did happen, is:
Mail Ballot numbers, in some states, came in AFTER early voting and vote in person numbers due to some states' Election Code saying mail ballots may not be checked/counted until election day or days after general election numbers. So, when mail ballots numbers started coming in, it appeared thousands of ballots suddenly piled in for Biden.
I saw Penn. Secretary of State speak about the mail ballots that came in after election day, and he had those ballots separated and sealed in plastic until the question about these ballots were answered. This was adjudicated and he was told to count these ballots and there were a small amount of these ballots, less than 200, and they would not have changed the outcome of the election.
I don't think this would be OK for you, with your knowledge of election laws, but it is certainly not OK for me (a "reasonable person")
Okay, I am going to Penn. Election Code to be totally sure who does what when. I did hear their Sec. of State address mail ballots regarding the reporting of numbers which is like some other states. I think those states' Election Code must be changed to qualify mail ballots before election day. This election has been a mess due to so many mail ballots and different times of states qualifying them.
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ICYMI, I'm agreeing with you on this.
I didn't miss it. :beer:
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I think every school had a third tier organization. Zeta Tau Alpha was Zits, Tits, and Armpits.
I was TKE. We were simultaneously the "animal house" and the highest GPA among the Fraternities. Go figure.
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I didn't miss it. :beer:
I'm mad as Hell that AZ falls into the "rotten GOP" Governors and AGs category.
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I didn't miss it. :beer:
I'm already in the "Not a Republican" category as far as the national party is concerned and, depending on what happens in coming days here in Texas, that may soon extend to the state level as well.
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Sure they do - They're called 'Users' :silly:
And it is not local government. It is state election certification boards. That's going to have access to high level IT folks that should be able to subvert any widespread tampering. Locked machines in kiosk mode is what is at the local level.
Users on a system that doesn't utilize passwords, or can grant admin access to anyone. Pop out a card reader, unplug a port, and voila! Do whatever you want.
As for state certification boards, these machines are still handed over to county boards after certification. At which point the code can easily be altered.
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I was TKE. We were simultaneously the "animal house" and the highest GPA among the Fraternities. Go figure.
duh
Accountability
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Users on a system that doesn't utilize passwords, or can grant admin access to anyone. Pop out a card reader, unplug a port, and voila! Do whatever you want.
As for state certification boards, these machines are still handed over to county boards after certification. At which point the code can easily be altered.
I don't think that's true. A certed machine would be locked in order to secure it's certified condition.
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Then it should show in the recount in GA... Like I said all along, I am all for prosecution. But like in all things, I want actionable proof, not internet gossip. If what you believe is true, the hand count should necessarily expose electronic tampering.
(https://i.maga.host/RNPN3Oz.png)
Between 4:07:43 and 4:08:51, Trump lost 17,877 votes while Biden gained 17,930. Whether this is malware or not, it unequivocally proves that Dominion software cannot be trusted.
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I'm with you on that. 100%. Unfortunately, the Republican candidate is the only one offering me a ride to the dance.
Heh. Well that explains me... I never go to the dance. Me and mine are down at the river having a bonfire. :laugh: :beer:
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In my experience, it is standard practice to have IT techs from the vendors standing by on election day "to do what needs to be done" in case there are any "glitches"
I can't speak to that, or the contract between the provider and the state.
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I don't think that's true. A certed machine would be locked in order to secure it's certified condition.
You obviously do not know what happens to these machines pre-election in the jurisdictions I'm familiar with.
Here, every county election supervisor has full access to them and full authority to call in a vendor tech at any time if it becomes necessary.
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I don't think that's true. A certed machine would be locked in order to secure it's certified condition.
Again
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M8iSRqlNuo#)
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(https://i.maga.host/RNPN3Oz.png)
Between 4:07:43 and 4:08:51, Trump lost 17,877 votes while Biden gained 17,930. Whether this is malware or not, it unequivocally proves that Dominion software cannot be trusted.
Then prove it. And by the way, a javascript output after-the-fact is not proof.
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I don't think that's true. A certed machine would be locked in order to secure it's certified condition.
Then how did Dominion get away with a software update the late-night before the Election? That would never have been allowed if the laws governing the Certs were followed.
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Then prove it. And by the way, a javascript output after-the-fact is not proof.
Are you asking me to do the math for you? Or are you simply dismissing it outright because it was a JavaScript output during-the-fact?
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Then how did Dominion get away with a software update the late-night before the Election? That would never have been allowed if the laws governing the Certs were followed.
Or in the middle of the night during the counting of votes for that matter!
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Again
Yeah... It must be true, because Youtube. *****rollingeyes*****
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Are you asking me to do the math for you? Or are you simply dismissing it outright because it was a JavaScript output during-the-fact?
The provenance of that file is questionable. That is not proof. If it WAS proof, at least they would show the actual code, and not just the output.... And the javascript code in question is not part of the actual electoral system... If it was jackin the vote numbers, it was not doing it IN the system, but downstream in the feed to the media. IOW, it could only be messin with the output after the system.
Proof is in the audit files. Proof is in the record.
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Then how did Dominion get away with a software update the late-night before the Election? That would never have been allowed if the laws governing the Certs were followed.
Sure it would if the update has been certed.
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Sure it would if the update has been certed.
It could not have been! Everybody not in on the racket were asleep in their beds at home.
I agree with your basic premise about "evidence." We won't see it until the trials. I'm as patient as you are, but it does not prevent me from speculating, based on obvious statistical anomalies. It just isn't legal evidence yet.
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The provenance of that file is questionable. That is not proof. If it WAS proof, at least they would show the actual code, and not just the output.... And the javascript code in question is not part of the actual electoral system... If it was jackin the vote numbers, it was not doing it IN the system, but downstream in the feed to the media. IOW, it could only be messin with the output after the system.
Proof is in the audit files. Proof is in the record.
OK, I'll try again after Trump wins the Georgia recount.
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You obviously do not know what happens to these machines pre-election in the jurisdictions I'm familiar with.
Here, every county election supervisor has full access to them and full authority to call in a vendor tech at any time if it becomes necessary.
Then there's your problem right there. any certified machine is no longer certified if it has been accessed. Now, perhaps there are levels of access... Permissions. similar to your Windows box, where there are several levels of users with differing authority. Policy based accesses... I don't know all that, especially in 50 different states.
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@Cyber Liberty
One cannot know if the state's Election Code has been broken if one does not know what their Election Code says. Below is the link to the Pennsylvania Election Code. I will read this, looking at the person responsible for holding elections. Looking at the two parties requirements in a federal election. Looking at the method for qualifying mail ballots; who does it; what the two parties do in qualifying mail ballots; what is the deadline for mail ballots getting to the person responsible for mail ballots.
I figure this will take two or three bottles of Corona Light beer before I have finished this work. I will have to stop working on this between 2pm and 4pm, as our friend, dog groomer, Karin, will be here at 2pm to groom Prissy. Karin is slightly nuts as she has adopted herself as my child and thinks she has to take care of me, plus Prissy. If Prissy needs shots or any reason she has to go to the Vet, Karin takes her so I don't have to get out of the house. She stays about two hours when she comes to groom Prissy.
I should be posting about Penn. election law sometime this evening.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/25/25.HTM (https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/25/25.HTM)
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It could not have been! Everybody not in on the racket were asleep in their beds at home.
I agree with your basic premise about "evidence." We won't see it until the trials. I'm as patient as you are, but it does not prevent me from speculating, based on obvious statistical anomalies. It just isn't legal evidence yet.
I don;t know all that. But yeah, the update could have been certed before the fact, during the day, and admin pushed off the update till when no one was using the system... That's pretty normal. Think of a system reboot in a typical client/server network... Generally IT waits till after five if they can.
I ain't quite defending this sh*t... any of it. I am sure there is corruption in the voting system.
What I am trying to do is offer plausible deniability and pretty legit normal IT conditions - much of which you can certainly see and understand.
What I am doing is illustrating the need for proof and why I eschew internet nonsense and getting all verklempt.
And I do not want to be in this position.
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OK, I'll try again after Trump wins the Georgia recount.
LOL! That's the spirit! :beer:
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@Cyber Liberty
One cannot know if the state's Election Code has been broken if one does not know what their Election Code says. Below is the link to the Pennsylvania Election Code. I will read this, looking at the person responsible for holding elections. Looking at the two parties requirements in a federal election. Looking at the method for qualifying mail ballots; who does it; what the two parties do in qualifying mail ballots; what is the deadline for mail ballots getting to the person responsible for mail ballots.
I figure this will take two or three bottles of Corona Light beer before I have finished this work. I will have to stop working on this between 2pm and 4pm, as our friend, dog groomer, Karin, will be here at 2pm to groom Prissy. Karin is slightly nuts as she has adopted herself as my child and thinks she has to take care of me, plus Prissy. If Prissy needs shots or any reason she has to go to the Vet, Karin takes her so I don't have to get out of the house. She stays about two hours when she comes to groom Prissy.
I should be posting about Penn. election law sometime this evening.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/25/25.HTM (https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/25/25.HTM)
You are still assuming they're following the law. They are not, and those are grounds for the lawsuits that are, contrary to your previous assertions, ongoing.
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I don;t know all that. But yeah, the update could have been certed before the fact, during the day, and admin pushed off the update till when no one was using the system... That's pretty normal. Think of a system reboot in a typical client/server network... Generally IT waits till after five if they can.
I ain't quite defending this sh*t... any of it. I am sure there is corruption in the voting system.
What I am trying to do is offer plausible deniability and pretty legit normal IT conditions - much of which you can certainly see and understand.
What I am doing is illustrating the need for proof and why I eschew internet nonsense and getting all verklempt.
And I do not want to be in this position.
It's a stone-cold fact they were not certified in Maricopa County. The Chair of the GOP resigned in disgrace because he failed even try to certify.
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It's a stone-cold fact they were not certified in Maricopa County. The Chair of the GOP resigned in disgrace because he failed even try to certify.
That is certainly action-able. And I hope I see it presented before the court.
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That is certainly action-able. And I hope I see it presented before the court.
I'm sure of it. And it's a likely reason the leftist press is lying about Trump dropping lawsuits in AZ. Look at the folks repeating the lie.
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I'm sure of it. And it's a likely reason the leftist press is lying about Trump dropping lawsuits in AZ. Look at the folks repeating the lie.
:shrug:
I don't pay it no mind usually, one way or another. It's all bullsh*t till there's warrants.
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:shrug:
I don't pay it no mind usually, one way or another. It's all bullsh*t till there's warrants.
Bullshit is relative.
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I'm already in the "Not a Republican" category as far as the national party is concerned and, depending on what happens in coming days here in Texas, that may soon extend to the state level as well.
@Bigun
I have read even Republicans in Texas, not just Democrats, think Gov. Abbott did a bad job with the virus, kept Texas shut down too long, and they want him out now.
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@Bigun
I have read even Republicans in Texas, not just Democrats, think Gov. Abbott did a bad job with the virus, kept Texas shut down too long, and they want him out now.
@Victoria33
Exactly the same in AZ. We're pizzed to the gills there are still restrictions in here.
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Bullshit is relative.
Wish in one hand and sh*t in the other... See which fills up first.
Still waiting on those high level Democrats getting perpwalked to prison. Promises promises... :whistle:
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@Victoria33
Exactly the same in AZ. We're pizzed to the gills there are still restrictions in here.
We got a Republican governor now... The Democrat dingbat that shut us down is on his way home.
He's a piece of crap Republican, but I reckon we will see how that goes after January.
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Wish in one hand and sh*t in the other... See which fills up first.
Still waiting on those high level Democrats getting perpwalked to prison. Promises promises... :whistle:
It's MONTHS too early for that! Saving the election from massive fraud takes priority.
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Then how did Dominion get away with a software update the late-night before the Election? That would never have been allowed if the laws governing the Certs were followed.
@Cyber Liberty
Which state's Dominion machines are you speaking about? Pennsylvania? If you mean Penn, I will look that up in their Election Law when I read it, to see how they choose their machines. If you mean another state, tell me, I will look that one up.
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We got a Republican governor now... The Democrat dingbat that shut us down is on his way home.
He's a piece of crap Republican, but I reckon we will see how that goes after January.
Ducey has been a POS way before this election. He deliberately appointed somebody who could never win a state-wide election when he put McSally in the job. She just conceded, so she's out of the Senate right now. Mark Kelly, the hero Astronaut, will be sworn in the moment the Senate returns for the Lame Duck Session.
Ducey made that lousy pick at the insistence of Beer Baroness Cindy McStain. Tell me there wasn't a fix in from the get-go.
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You are still assuming they're following the law. They are not, and those are grounds for the lawsuits that are, contrary to your previous assertions, ongoing.
@Cyber Liberty
No, I am not assuming anything but one has to know the law in order to determine they did not follow the law. One cannot just say they are crooks, one has to know what the law is to say they violated it.
I will also find out today, exactly which cases are on-going in Penn., if there are any.
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@Cyber Liberty
Which state's Dominion machines are you speaking about? Pennsylvania? If you mean Penn, I will look that up in their Election Law when I read it, to see how they choose their machines. If you mean another state, tell me, I will look that one up.
I don't know for sure the scope of that update either. I await your reply after the groomer gets done with Pris.
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It's MONTHS too early for that! Saving the election from massive fraud takes priority.
Nah... Years too late. 'Lock her up' was the first promise.
Ain't no nevermind, other than it's just like this here... If there is corruption, then there should be warrants, and perpwalks and the whole 9... Let's see if any of it actually comes to pass.
30 days to tell the tale. And time keeps tickin on down.
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Nah... Years too late. 'Lock her up' was the first promise.
Ain't no nevermind, other than it's just like this here... If there is corruption, then there should be warrants, and perpwalks and the whole 9... Let's see if any of it actually comes to pass.
30 days to tell the tale. And time keeps tickin on down.
Trumps bad call about Hillary came in the wake of a victory. That is no measure of how he'll do this one.
I'd say you were being unfair, but for the fact I agree with you about letting Hillary off the hook because "she's suffered enough." Nosirree, she has not.
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Trumps bad call about Hillary came in the wake of a victory. That is no measure of how he'll do this one.
I'd say you were being unfair, but for the fact I agree with you about letting Hillary off the hook because "she's suffered enough." Nosirree, she has not.
I just used it for the comparison. This is the same sort of thing. Getting everybody all whirled up, sounding the battle cry... Maybe so... But if true to form, not just Tump, but Republicans too... Likely nothing.
The reason liberals are winning is because there is no opposition.
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Nah... Years too late. 'Lock her up' was the first promise.
Ain't no nevermind, other than it's just like this here... If there is corruption, then there should be warrants, and perpwalks and the whole 9... Let's see if any of it actually comes to pass.
30 days to tell the tale. And time keeps tickin on down.
Yup! After that, there will be no effect on the Election, and a Biteme AG will throw it all out in the name of "healing the Nation." Spit!!
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I should be posting about Penn. election law sometime this evening.
Did you read what has already been posted repeatedly about Penn. election laws being violated?
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@Cyber Liberty
My last post until Prissy groomer is gone.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/trumps-election-lawsuits-lose-court-vote-fraud-2020-biden.html
Consider the rest in quotes:
November 14, 2020
This afternoon, a Michigan judge dismissed a Republican lawsuit to delay the certification of that state’s vote count. Actually, “dismissed†undersells the sheer contempt displayed by the court for the claims made on Trump’s behalf. The judge noted that the ballot observers alleging fraud lacked an elementary understanding of the process. The judge, Timothy Kenny, says the lawsuit “asserts behavior with no date, location, frequency, or names of employees.†He notes that, while witnesses claim that a rental van bearing out-of-state plates was used to transport ballots, “There is no evidentiary basis to attribute any evil activity by virtue of the city using a rental truck with out-of-state license plates.†He gently observes that they might have understood that the activity they were witnessing is normal and legal, not a massive plot to manufacture votes, if they had bothered to attend the walk-through:
The most promising case Trump has ginned up involves an affidavit signed by Richard Hopkins, a postal employee in Pennsylvania, who claimed to have witnessed ballots being backdated before the election. Even though the affidavit was produced by Project Veritas, a right-wing organization with a rock-bottom level of credibility, its allegations were trumpeted by the likes of Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Shapiro’s Daily Wire.
The charges were investigated by the USPS inspector general, whereupon the witness quickly reeled back his charges. “I didn’t specifically hear the whole story. I just heard a part of it. And I could have missed a lot of it … my mind probably added the rest,†he conceded. A recording of his interview showed Hopkins “repeatedly expressed regret for signing the initial affidavit because it overstated what he knew and witnessed,†and “said he was not fully aware of its contents because he was in “so much shock I wasn’t paying that much attention to what they were telling me.â€
The general pattern is that they allege misconduct nowhere near pervasive enough to reverse the vote total in a state Biden won, and then fail to substantiate even that. In Philadelphia, the suit complained that Trump’s observers were being denied access to ballot-counting, then conceded there were in fact “a nonzero number of people in the room,†causing the judge to ask, “I’m sorry, then what’s your problem?â€
Some of the suits don’t even allege fraud, but merely promise that they will allege fraud at some point in the future:So far, zero of Trump’s lawsuits have succeeded. Trump has retreated to making wild claims about a massive computer-based vote-stealing scheme. But he isn’t charging this in court, because courts require “evidence,†and the part where you need to provide evidence has not gone well for him.
So far, two of the law firms representing Trump’s campaign have quit. Trump’s campaign has attributed those decisions to the insidious threat of left-wing mobs. “Cancel Culture has finally reached the courtroom,†said Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh in a statement. “Leftist mobs descended upon some of the lawyers representing the President’s campaign and they buckled.†He promised, however, that Trump “will move forward with rock-solid attorneys.â€
Update: Trump’s campaign lost another lawsuit in Pennsylvania that, if successful, still would have come nowhere close to flipping the state’s result.
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Pennsylvania Absentee Ballot Law
Deadlines for the November 3 General Election
- October 27 at 5 pm - APPLICATIONS for a mail-in or absentee ballot must have been received by your county election board or other designated locations
- November 3 - Deadline for returning your voted mail-in or absentee ballot.
- IMPORTANT: Voters who have not yet cast their mail or absentee ballot are urged to hand-deliver their voted ballots as soon as possible to their county election office or other county drop off location or drop box. Ballots must be delivered by 8pm on Election Day but the sooner the better. Voters should no longer use postal service delivery as it is too late to guarantee your ballot will be delivered in time.
https://www.votespa.com/Voting-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx (https://www.votespa.com/Voting-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx)
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The most promising case Trump has ginned up involves an affidavit signed by Richard Hopkins, a postal employee in Pennsylvania, who claimed to have witnessed ballots being backdated before the election.
"Ginned up?!?" See, leftists in the press still can't resist using loaded words to slam the President, even in stories that are supposedly "pro Trump."
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The most promising case Trump has ginned up involves an affidavit signed by Richard Hopkins, a postal employee in Pennsylvania, who claimed to have witnessed ballots being backdated before the election.
This wouldn't even be an issue if Pennsylvania election law had been followed. The fact that they were backdating ballots shows that they were allowing ballots to be submitted after the Tues 8pm deadline.
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Nah... Years too late. 'Lock her up' was the first promise.
Ain't no nevermind, other than it's just like this here... If there is corruption, then there should be warrants, and perpwalks and the whole 9... Let's see if any of it actually comes to pass.
30 days to tell the tale. And time keeps tickin on down.
Nonsense. Everybody says stuff like that about politicians; Obama, Biden, Brennan, Comey, Weissmann, McCabe, Strzok, etc.
Lock her up was a rally chant in response to Trump rolling off a list of Hillary’s criminal deeds. The crowd introduced it. It pumped them up and why you have rallies in the first place. It wasn’t a campaign promise, it was a hope as much as a desire.
Trump’s a realist, he knew he couldn’t promise to jail Hillary; she was essentially exonerated by Comey before the election and Trump’s hands were tied up with Russiagate for two and a half years. Not much political capital under those circumstances to arrest and try Hillary Clinton, never mind win a conviction. Let’s get real here.
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@Cyber Liberty
Cyber, The below actually did happen, is a true account of action taken regarding mail ballots and the Pennsylvania Election Code.
November 14, 2020, consider the rest in quotes, presented by Newsmax.
A Pennsylvania judge has ruled that some mail-in ballots belonging to first-time voters in the state who hadn’t confirmed their identity before Nov. 9 will not be counted, in a small victory for the Trump campaign, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports.
Commonwealth Court President Judge Mary Hannah Leavitt ruled on Thursday that Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar did not have the required authority when she issued a guidance saying that these ballots should be counted if the voters’ identification can be confirmed by Nov. 12.
''If the deadline is calculated as the statute is written, then as it pertains to the November 3, 2020 General Election, this deadline for voters to resolve proof of identification issues is Monday, November 9, 2020, not November 12, 2020,'' the Trump campaign wrote in a court filing, with which Leavitt concurred.
While it is unclear how many ballots will be disqualified because of the ruling — the Pennsylvania Department of State declined to comment — it is likely to be a small number.
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Let’s get real here.
Like that’s gonna happen.
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@Cyber Liberty
Cyber, The below actually did happen, is a true account of action taken regarding mail ballots and the Pennsylvania Election Code.
November 14, 2020, consider the rest in quotes, presented by Newsmax.
A Pennsylvania judge has ruled that some mail-in ballots belonging to first-time voters in the state who hadn’t confirmed their identity before Nov. 9 will not be counted, in a small victory for the Trump campaign, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports.
Commonwealth Court President Judge Mary Hannah Leavitt ruled on Thursday that Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar did not have the required authority when she issued a guidance saying that these ballots should be counted if the voters’ identification can be confirmed by Nov. 12.
''If the deadline is calculated as the statute is written, then as it pertains to the November 3, 2020 General Election, this deadline for voters to resolve proof of identification issues is Monday, November 9, 2020, not November 12, 2020,'' the Trump campaign wrote in a court filing, with which Leavitt concurred.
While it is unclear how many ballots will be disqualified because of the ruling — the Pennsylvania Department of State declined to comment — it is likely to be a small number.
@Victoria33
They key here is, there are Judges willing to follow the applicable law. Good.
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Like that’s gonna happen.
It will here. We don't have many dead-enders.
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It will here. We don't have many dead-enders.
Yes that’s true. Its the exceptions I was referring to.
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Yes that’s true. Its the exceptions I was referring to.
Pity keeps staying my hand. "It's a pity I've run out of ban-hammers."
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Nonsense. Everybody says stuff like that about politicians; Obama, Biden, Brennan, Comey, Weissmann, McCabe, Strzok, etc.
Lock her up was a rally chant in response to Trump rolling off a list of Hillary’s criminal deeds. The crowd introduced it. It pumped them up and why you have rallies in the first place. It wasn’t a campaign promise, it was a hope as much as a desire.
Trump’s a realist, he knew he couldn’t promise to jail Hillary; she was essentially exonerated by Comey before the election and Trump’s hands were tied up with Russiagate for two and a half years. Not much political capital under those circumstances to arrest and try Hillary Clinton, never mind win a conviction. Let’s get real here.
It seems there's a whole helluva lot of spin in there.
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It is funny @Bigun how you and I have swapped places - I know perfectly well how to hack machines, and I have told you as much. But I have since changed my mind quite the other way.
Every machine is examined and certified by the state election board... every machine produces an audit-able record... Unless I am mistaken in my knowledge (which is certainly very possible), that includes the central tabulating machines, which also are audit-able against their itemized client machines.
One would have to falsify the record in each of the client machines in order to creat receipts in each of those, which must somehow 'add up' against the audit report in the tablulation machines, and the exact same the pther way around - to 'fix' the vote in the tabulation server, you would have to alter the count, and the audit record, justified according to the client machines the votes derived from, and alter the count and receipts in multiple client machines, also somehow to match their respective receipts.
That is a tough nut to crack.
Why so? Insert an algorithm in an update that keeps the ratio of votes the same, regardless of input. Your results are guaranteed to agree within the error margin of the polls. Afterwards, launch another update that eliminates the algorithm.
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It seems there's a whole helluva lot of spin in there.
Well, it seem pretty well evident that the people who were supposed to be investigating and charging Hillary were in cahoots with her.
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Why so? Insert an algorithm in an update that keeps the ratio of votes the same, regardless of input. Your results are guaranteed to agree within the error margin of the polls. Afterwards, launch another update that eliminates the algorithm.
That assumes there is no controlling authority. While I admit I have not drove to deep into all this, wrt what I did look at, it seems the states have rigid protocols in place. I assume typical IT conventions and protocols would apply, to include lockdown protocols and permissions and policies.
And more than anything, the cert process and audit trail. By law the entire process must be audit-able. From the time of cert before voting starts, until decommission, after the vote has been put to bed, the whole thing must be tracked. Think that through... because magic votes have to accommodate that audit record.
I am not saying it's impossible to manipulate... but I will bet it's pretty tough sledding.
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Well, it seem pretty well evident that the people who were supposed to be investigating and charging Hillary were in cahoots with her.
Or the whole story was inflated, and they didn't have the goods to bust her... Which would be why they didn't try. Stuff like that is what lead me to distrust the right leaning media just as much as the MSM.
I don't believe any of it anymore. I think the bastards are liars or the liars are bastards... You pick.
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That's right - Yet many on this site already believe the case for massive fraud to be open-and-shut, without that evidence forthcoming... That would be the cart before the horse, right there... To the point of folks getting bent around the axle simply for urging caution.
Kaleigh M stated in a press conference that they have 243 pages of those reporting fraud and that was a week ago. My name is on one of those pages.
I keep using the vote tracker and apparently I don't exist. Yet my ballot was correctly addressed with my name and address on it. I took pics of it and have it for proof. I still have my barcode as proof that I voted.
The same thing happened in the '16 election. My vote for Trump disappeared. The state GOP told me I haven't voted in elections. That is ridiculous.
There are countless affirmations from poll watchers, people finding Trump votes in ditches and landfills. Some of the fraudsters are so stupid, they brag about it on Snapchat, Facebook, etc. They post pics with ballots in their hands! There are videos of vote counters changing ballots and ripping up Trump ballots.
This went on all across the country. There is proof that fraud was indeed rampant.
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Kaleigh M stated in a press conference that they have 243 pages of those reporting fraud and that was a week ago. My name is on one of those pages.
I keep using the vote tracker and apparently I don't exist. Yet my ballot was correctly addressed with my name and address on it. I took pics of it and have it for proof. I still have my barcode as proof that I voted.
The same thing happened in the '16 election. My vote for Trump disappeared. The state GOP told me I haven't voted in elections. That is ridiculous.
There are countless affirmations from poll watchers, people finding Trump votes in ditches and landfills. Some of the fraudsters are so stupid, they brag about it on Snapchat, Facebook, etc. They post pics with ballots in their hands! There are videos of vote counters changing ballots and ripping up Trump ballots.
This went on all across the country. There is proof that fraud was indeed rampant.
If the Republican Party and GOP state lawmakers don’t step up in defense of Trump and for a clean election (many Republican leaders in key contested states, either through cowardice or conspiracy, have thus far demurred) they will never get their voters back from Trump. That’s not a threat—but a promise.
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This went on all across the country. There is proof that fraud was indeed rampant.
So far, that is not looking to be true. I keep hearing about all these dastardly things, But so far, very few of them are turning into warrants... So I am to believe that the controlling authority in basically *all* states, or even half of them, or even TWO of them won't stir their stumps to investigate? ALL of them are corrupt?
That is beyond the pale. Tinfoil hat territory.
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If the Republican Party and GOP state lawmakers don’t step up in defense of Trump and for a clean election (many Republican leaders in key contested states, either through cowardice or conspiracy, have thus far demurred) they will never get their voters back from Trump. That’s not a threat—but a promise.
I don't yet believe it...But if true, this is right up the alley of the typical GOP voter... The inevitable end to the lesser evil... The despicable fruit of pragmatism over principle. A yard full of RINOs.
The problem with 'going to war with the army you have' is that when you get to the battle, you find you have no army at all.
Until y'all are ready to rally around principle...
Until y'all are willing to lose rather than compromise...
Until y'all insist upon fulfillment and hold their feet to the fire...
Until y'all are willing to slash and burn, and demand accountability from those you elect, rather than being distracted by fear of the other side, nothing will change.
And the beatings will continue.
Can you hear me now?
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Or the whole story was inflated, and they didn't have the goods to bust her... Which would be why they didn't try. Stuff like that is what lead me to distrust the right leaning media just as much as the MSM.
I don't believe any of it anymore. I think the bastards are liars or the liars are bastards... You pick.
To quote Janet Reno, "There is no evidence which exists..."
The only way to know that is to hunt it all down, dig it all up, and destroy it. Ron Brown's body is a moldering in his grave...
I know what to believe, you do, too. (Go with your gut, let God Guide you, but don't listen to the 'news'.)
When hundreds of people are willing to come forward and produce sworn affidavits, under penalty of perjury, often in danger of losing jobs and other retaliation, to testify that the election was not conducted correctly, legally, fairly, I'd say there is a major problem. Ignoring that testimony is just wrong.
It is evil on its way to triumph because good men are doing nothing, even when other good men (and women) are willing to stick their necks out. It's a special sort of cowardice that just looks the other way and leaves those who take that risk to swing, and it only reinforces the 'lesson' to not go against the machine, to ignore wrongdoing, to 'not get involved'.
Some of the best of the best investigators have had years to track down the information on Hillary and make sure her ample ass is covered while they were prosecuting the POTUS for crimes that never happened, all to great fanfare in the media while 'botched robberies' and 'unfortunate accidents' quietly cleaned up any leftovers. The media help by branding Hillary & Co.'s actions as "Conspiracy Theory" and covering a long line of bodies from kids on railroad tracks to "botched robberies" and scrubbed servers, cell phones hammered to pieces, and other egregious crimes. You knew those people were evil when Mt. Carmel caught fire. Do you think they've changed? Or have we all become numb to the horrorshow of women and children being sprayed with Methylene Chloride (the carrier agent for the CS, and a main ingredient in carburetor cleaner) and set on fire?
I have never said Trump was the 'greatest', but the guy saved the energy industry, twice now, and paved the way for us to make America energy self sufficient. With the drop in demand due to all the governors' lockdowns and working from home, or not working at all, over 400,000 BOPD of production were shut in just in this state, and the surplus produced in the time it took to shut wells in went, in part, into the SPR, some of which will remain there as rent on the space, for free. The alternative wants to destroy that, even though his son was on the BOD of a Ukrainian Natural Gas company? Say what?
Frankly, I don't give a damn who they are, what party brand they wear, I just want truth and fairness.
I could accept that Americans were stupid enough to vote for someone who just wants to bring them back to the Carter years, only with $10/gallon gas and no guns. I can be smug about ignoring as many of those new edicts as humanly possible, which I will do, if it comes to that, but I'd rather avoid all that sh*t to begin with.
Who wouldn't walk around a cow pie instead of just jump in?
But I will not ever accept the results of this election unless the new, improved, lemon-scented, extra strength fraud, (now more widespread than ever!), is thoroughly investigated and the fraudulent ballots removed from the count.
Piss around on this vote fraud, this election, and in a few years there won't be anyone who can testify. Hell, they'll bleed out from stab wounds and the death certificate will say "COVID". They won't even bother with the rest, cremation to follow. Not only that, there won't be any more elections that mean anything, not shit, not even dogcatcher.
The plague we're facing isn't covid, it's corruption. Endemic, disseminated, pervasive, festering corruption, at all levels.
I'm inclined to agree with you about the MSM, and FOX, too, for that matter. Most of the print media can KMA, too...outhouse fare. I got up this morning and the lip flappers on the tube were chanting the mantra that "Trump did nothing" about the ChiCom Virus, the new "We all know..." line and if you put on five news channels, you'd get it in five part surround sound.
Same buzzwords, same sh*t, yap yap yap at the masses.
Global warmng/Climate change.
Green this and green that, ((snot is green, along with the worst of the lung mung, and calf crap if they have the scours--and it's cage free and organic, too!) and isn't it all wonderful and good for you while you SAVE THE PLANET!!? Now eat your textured vegetable protein. (F*** that!)
Organic everything (crap is organic, have a plateful!)
Hillary the wonderful (although not so much of that lately)
Gushing over the Wookie as some sort of fashion maven, with no notice of the current Flotus who wears clothes that look like they were not made of fabric ripped from the breezeway furniture or draperies.
Ahd always, How it's all the fault of us evil right winged (white) male neonazi misogynistic racist homophobic Jesus lovers, anyway, who owe everyone else who won't lift a finger or work hard unless it's to loot or steal.
These are the same people calling Biden the POTUS elect, which we KNOW not to be true, because no one is elected until the Electoral College votes.
Interviews of: Mr. Biden, "Why did the Titanic sink?" Now, Mr Trump, "A lot of people died when the Titanic sank. Name them." followed by the big story: "Trump fails to answer questions about naval disaster, believed to be holding back information."
That crap isn't fair and you know in your gut it's just wrong.
Remember, I didn't vote for Trump last time? This time I did, and among the reasons I did is that the man has faced the tsunami of lies from the Dems, the Communists, the Media, and those in the Government from before he took office. I'm not saying he's a saint, by any means, but I'd go to bat for anyone wrongly accused, not over the evils they have done, but over the ones I know they did not.
Things you and I KNOW to be lies are spread daily, in generous double helpings at every media outlet. Just pick your choice of face and hair color, anger level, demeanor, accent, (sexual preference), press 2 for Espanol, and you can lap up your fill.
Relentless, shameless manipulation of the groupthink, something that would not even exist if people got a proper education instead of constantly being spoonfed the same bucket of slop out of different spoons, now from childhood. And if you don't buy into that, you will be expunged from 'respectable' society or medicated and counseled into conformity. Ve haff ways to make you love Big Brother!
The Republic is dead. Lost to stupidity. Lost to the overwhelming tsunami of lies and the crooks riding the wave. But even more, lost because people would do nothing when that tsunami was a mere ripple.
With practice, over time you get good at ignoring those waves, you can even ignore 20 ft. breakers and the whitecaps out on the big water go unnoticed.
Brother, I an ready to start slapping liars, right here in the meat world.
They piss me off.
As for right-leaning media, kindly tell me what rock you found that under. I want to see.
Even FOX radio (Sidney, Montana station) just yesterday was waving pejoratives at Trump. Dissing claims of alleged voter fraud. Maybe they're so afraid of the Biden/Harris purge of media outlets they won't stand their ground, or just maybe most of what's left there are on the left after all. Why did they 'call' Arizona with 15% of the vote in, when even CNN wouldn't? Why wouldn't they let Judge Jeanine talk about voter fraud?
Why are the "fack chekkers" at Fecebook and Twatter working overtime to squelch opposition to the Left, by branding everything from "partly false" and "in dispute" to purt'near calling it a lie? We know their leanings. Why have tens of thousands of people died from a disease that can be handled with a cheap, off the shelf handful of meds if caught early? So a vaccine can be pimped? ...and even then the guy who fast tracked the process for testing and approval isn't getting one shred of credit for that.
We're here. It's time. If we don't stand up now, we might as well cut our legs off and drag our nuts over the rocks, because we won't be able to stand up straight again.
If you look for evidence, you'll find it.
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So far, that is not looking to be true. I keep hearing about all these dastardly things, But so far, very few of them are turning into warrants... So I am to believe that the controlling authority in basically *all* states, or even half of them, or even TWO of them won't stir their stumps to investigate? ALL of them are corrupt?
That is beyond the pale. Tinfoil hat territory.
Not so far as 168,000 votes all for the same guy, overnight, when there was no supervision, and not one vote for four other candidates. Oh yeah, perfectly legit.
Open your eyes and see.
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Or the whole story was inflated, and they didn't have the goods to bust her... Which would be why they didn't try. Stuff like that is what lead me to distrust the right leaning media just as much as the MSM.
I don't believe any of it anymore. I think the bastards are liars or the liars are bastards... You pick.
Short answer: The people who were supposed to be investigating her were on her team. Trump should have cut the DOJ down to the bottom two GS levels and started over.
I have little doubt that they did some digging, because she was one step ahead of the subpoenas and warrants getting rid of evidence, but they did that to help her eliminate evidence, not to produce it.
No, I can't prove that, but then, that's the whole idea of that whole sanitizing operation: to eliminate proof.
Hillary would have had Monica dry-cleaned, blue dress and all, if she'd known about that little dab.
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But I will not ever accept the results of this election unless the new, improved, lemon-scented, extra strength fraud, (now more widespread than ever!), is thoroughly investigated and the fraudulent ballots removed from the count.
THAT was a brilliant rant Smoke. But the above is in the windrow...
SO WHAT? What can be done?
I mean, it ain't over yet, and I get that, but they're pullin the rug out, sure enough.
And all the bitchin and moanin ain't going to change a danged ol thing.
There is nothing to be done. The right is in disarray. Disloyal, unconcerned, on the take, whatever. Other than full blown throwin a hoedown, or hoein a throw down, There ain't enough standing for anything among the Republicans to matter, and even fewer in their voters that will stand for anything.
All y'all will get all spittin mad and throw a hissy, harrumphing around... And then settle in and do the same dang thing the next time.
That's why I walked off. It's all pointless. There is no opposition to the liberals. Just like I have been saying all the way along.
There has to be principled things to fight for... to INSIST upon, and fill the congress and the senate with true believers... and incidentally a president... And start writing LAWS to set those principles in stone.
Till folks will do that, and insist upon it across a generation or two, demanding accountability, all of this winds up being nothing every time. Because your own are stabbing you in the back.
Dreaming up conspiracy theories won't amount to a row of pins, because y'all can't do a thing about it anyhow. There has to be actionable evidence, and a will to enforce it... or there's nothing. Again.
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I shudder to contemplate the dialogue if Republicans had actually done poorly this election.
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I shudder to contemplate the dialogue if Republicans had actually done poorly this election.
It would actually make the POTUS election 'results' more believable. But the way it it is looks like Trump is getting effed.
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It would actually make the POTUS election 'results' more believable. But the way it it is looks like Trump is getting effed.
It isn't just Trump, it is the entire nation. If you can't depend on your vote counting, and having equal weight with only other legitimate votes, all else is meaningless window dressing for an oligarchy that will only do a it pleases.
If fraud is allowed to prosper, there will be no replacing anyone with Constitutionally-minded Representation, they will not get elected, even with a clear majority of the vote. I'm not that fond of the person, but it is the principle that must be upheld. Without it, all others are moot--there is no peaceful solution.
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Can you hear me now?
Even assuming your claim that this election isn't rigged.....
Most sad is that just between the states of PA, GA, and AZ, there are likely 89,365 voters just like you who gave the election to Biden.
Can we hear you? Damn right we can.... . And I hope you hear us when we remind you when 2A rights are infringed, IRA /401k confiscation starts, NGD provisions start being enacted, and debt accelerates 3X what Trump was adding. You helped give us Biden and Harris, and we won't forget.
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It isn't just Trump, it is the entire nation. If you can't depend on your vote counting, and having equal weight with only other legitimate votes, all else is meaningless window dressing for an oligarchy that will only do a it pleases.
If fraud is allowed to prosper, there will be no replacing anyone with Constitutionally-minded Representation, they will not get elected, even with a clear majority of the vote. I'm not that fond of the person, but it is the principle that must be upheld. Without it, all others are moot--there is no peaceful solution.
:amen: pointing-up
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It isn't just Trump, it is the entire nation. If you can't depend on your vote counting, and having equal weight with only other legitimate votes, all else is meaningless window dressing for an oligarchy that will only do a it pleases.
If fraud is allowed to prosper, there will be no replacing anyone with Constitutionally-minded Representation, they will not get elected, even with a clear majority of the vote. I'm not that fond of the person, but it is the principle that must be upheld. Without it, all others are moot--there is no peaceful solution.
The only reason I'm hopeful is the court, SCOTUS I guess, might be responsible enough to understand what is at stake here as we all are witness to this industrial strength fraud - the decision they make must serve to re-instill confidence of the American people in their elections. If they punt our 250 year experiment, teetering on the brink as it is, is all over.
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Even assuming your claim that this election isn't rigged.....
I didn't say that.
Most sad is that just between the states of PA, GA, and AZ, there are likely 89,365 voters just like you who gave the election to Biden.
Guess what. The buyer is always right. Stop bitchin about the customer and look to your product.
Can we hear you? Damn right we can.... .
No, you really can't.
And I hope you hear us when we remind you when 2A rights are infringed, IRA /401k confiscation starts, NGD provisions start being enacted, and debt accelerates 3X what Trump was adding. You helped give us Biden and Harris, and we won't forget.
Riiiiight. ROTFLMAO!!! without throwing a single vote one way or the other, it's all my fault. :silly:
Like I said. If you want more folks to buy your crap, make something they want.
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I didn't say that.
Just 4 or so posts ago, you were calling it "tinfoil hat territory".
Can you make up your mind?
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It would actually make the POTUS election 'results' more believable. But the way it it is looks like Trump is getting effed.
@bigheadfred
No,it looks like the VOTERS and the NATION are getting effed.
Because we ARE.
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Just 4 or so posts ago, you were calling it "tinfoil hat territory".
Can you make up your mind?
I called that particular posters ideas 'tinfoil hat territory'... And if you sign onto it, I'll say the same to you.
Read back a ways. I have said over and again I believe the election process to be rife with corruption. But one needs to PROVE it, or it's nothing.
And there is largely nothing that could be called actionable proof... Or in GA for instance, the Republican Gov, house and senate are in on it too... Again, with nothing for proof.
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@bigheadfred
No,it looks like the VOTERS and the NATION are getting effed.
Because we ARE.
Good point.
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@bigheadfred
No,it looks like the VOTERS and the NATION are getting effed.
Because we ARE.
The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually. What we're likely getting is divided government that will temper radicalism. I like divided government. It's a hell of a lot less threatening to my liberties and pocketbook, and all sides still have skin in the game.
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The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually. What we're likely getting is divided government that will temper radicalism. I like divided government. It's a hell of a lot less threatening to my liberties and pocketbook, and all sides still have skin in the game.
I like divided government. As long as it is the same government.
Imo, what we are looking at here are two very different governments.
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I like divided government. As long as it is the same government.
Imo, what we are looking at here are two very different governments.
Right on @bigheadfred Right on!
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Right on @bigheadfred Right on!
I don't like sharing my government with communists.
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I shudder to contemplate the dialogue if Republicans had actually done poorly this election.
This was a barely concealed, coordinated, state/culture theft of the second half of Trump’s presidency. Democrats in congress, along with their selected president, will get little peace from this Trump supporter; I suspect too Biden won’t be able to hide from evidence gathered by independent investigations into Biden family corruption the moment he takes office. No justice no peace, Mr. Biden.
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I like divided government. As long as it is the same government.
Imo, what we are looking at here are two very different governments.
Left foot, right foot, Slouching toward Gomorrah.
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Left foot, right foot, Slouching toward Gomorrah.
LOL! Gomorrah is in the rear-view mirror.
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Left foot, right foot, Slouching toward Gomorrah.
Better that than having the blue plate special being thrown down in front of you and being forced to eat it.
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LOL! Gomorrah is in the rear-view mirror.
I don't mean to wax religious, but it has been an astonishment how mechanical the process is when a nation falls away from Yah. Wave after wave, one thing right after the next... Ending with liberty lost and someone else enjoying the fruits of your labors. A couple decades past I would not have seen it coming, but now I see it plain.
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The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually. What we're likely getting is divided government that will temper radicalism.
I like divided government. It's a hell of a lot less threatening to my liberties and pocketbook, and all sides still have skin in the game.
@Jazzhead
And the fighting continues as well as the anti-American programs the Dims have used to buy votes using taxpayer money,while America fades as an independent and free nation.
"We iz da wurld.....
We iz da peep-pulls....."
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I don't mean to wax religious, but it has been an astonishment how mechanical the process is when a nation falls away from Yah. Wave after wave, one thing right after the next... Ending with liberty lost and someone else enjoying the fruits of your labors. A couple decades past I would not have seen it coming, but now I see it plain.
And... if it turns out that Trump remains in the White House for a second term.... despite the massive election fraud and theft attempt....
may we then presume that God (what you call Yah) has not forsaken America just yet?
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Right on @bigheadfred Right on!
@Bigun
You are a fan of the "collective",Fred?
I have to admit I am surprised.
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I don't like sharing my government with communists.
@skeeter
Or self-serving fools of any other flavor.
Traditionally,America was set up so only land-owners/taxpayers had votes. In other words,people with a vested interest in the survival of America and Americans as a free and independent people.
We need to go back to that model,and in FACT,if we don't,America is lost once the Dims import and give the vote to enough foreigners,who neither know nor care about the reasons why America became a free and independent nation and people.
ALL these new voters care about is "mo free stuff for me and my relatives,as soon as I can get them here!"
Have you asked yourself "What happens when we run out of "free stuff"?
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@skeeter
Or self-serving fools of any other flavor.
Traditionally,America was set up so only land-owners/taxpayers had votes. In other words,people with a vested interest in the survival of America and Americans as a free and independent people.
We need to go back to that model,and in FACT,if we don't,America is lost once the Dims import and give the vote to enough foreigners,who neither know nor care about the reasons why America became a free and independent nation and people.
ALL these new voters care about is "mo free stuff for me and my relatives,as soon as I can get them here!"
Have you asked yourself "What happens when we run out of "free stuff"?
I have asked myself that, and answered myself as well.
I'm as prepared as the law allows. And a little beyond.
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And... if it turns out that Trump remains in the White House for a second term.... despite the massive election fraud and theft attempt....
may we then presume that God (what you call Yah) has not forsaken America just yet?
No. The patterns are self-evident. and the way it gets turned around is with repentance first. So, no.
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No. The patterns are self-evident. and the way it gets turned around is with repentance first. So, no.
Well.... Trump represents millions of Christians... that have repented, so......
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This problem with BLM and antifa reminds me of the cockroach problem I’ve been having; if you don’t kill them all, they come back.
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@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1
No. 1 Post: Counting Machines At Polling Places and Tabulating Machines in Central Counting
If I don't know something, I beat it to death until I know it all. I knew it all about voting machines/tabulators in Texas until about 2012. I knew for positive no machines used in elections was connected to the internet. The only way to mess with election machines was to have one in your possession and physically change it. Machines across the country, THEN, were NOT connected to the internet. In the presidential election of 2016, there were two men on the internet who said they could change a voting machine. They had a machine in their possession and somewhat explained how they did it. The problem with these guys, as I said then, was they had to have the machine. When a county's voting machines are programmed for an election, they are locked up so no one can get to them. There are normally two locks on the door where the machines are and one key is given to the election's administrator, and one to the sheriff. Counties do not leave their programmed machines out in the open where they could be touched by unauthorized personnel.
These machines are programmed and the Republican Chairman and the Democrat Chairman meet with the elections administrator and each machine is checked for accuracy. If the machine is not accurate it is taken out and reprogrammed until it is accurate. On election day, the sheriff's deputies take the machines to the proper polling place, where the Judge and Alternate Judge, one of each Party, check that all the machines are set at 0.
Now, since this 2020 election, there is so much angst about changing voting machines numbers, I am studying this to see if it is possible to change a machine without physically having the machine. I have an expert to help me on programming and how machines could/could not, be connected to allow its numbers to be changed.
Here is every state and the machines they used in this 2020 election
Voting equipment usage in the November 3, 2020, general election
State Ballot marking methods Tabulation methods
Alabama Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Alaska Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Hand count and optical scan
Arizona Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan
Arkansas BMDs for all voters Optical scan
California All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs Optical scan
Colorado All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs Hand
count and optical scan
Connecticut Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Delaware BMDs for all voters Optical scan
Florida Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Georgia BMDs for all voters Optical scan
Hawaii All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Idaho Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Illinois Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Indiana Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Iowa Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Kansas Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with and without VVPAT Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Kentucky Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Louisiana DREs without VVPAT for all voters DRE
Maine Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Hand count and optical scan
Maryland Voting center jurisdiction: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs Optical scan
Massachusetts Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Hand count and optical scan
Michigan Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Minnesota Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Hand count and optical scan
Mississippi Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with and without VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Missouri Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Montana Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Hand count and optical scan
Nebraska Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Nevada All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
New Hampshire Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Hand count and optical scan
New Jersey All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
New Mexico Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
New York Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
North Carolina Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
North Dakota Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Ohio Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Oklahoma Hand-marked paper ballots; direct recording assistive interface for accessibility without VVPAT Optical scan
Oregon All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs Optical scan
Pennsylvania Hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs Optical scan
Rhode Island Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
South Carolina BMDs for all voters Optical scan
South Dakota Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Tennessee Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Texas Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Utah All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
Vermont All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs Hand count and optical scan
Virginia Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility Optical scan
Washington All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan and DRE
West Virginia Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Wisconsin Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Wyoming Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT Optical scan
Source: Verified Voting, "The Verifier – Polling Place Equipment – November 2020," accessed October 15, 2020
My Number 2 Post will be the exact wording of Pennsylvania Election Law pertaining to their machines and their exact law about qualifying mail ballots.
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I would like to know who is going to jail for STEALING MY VOTE? Pennsylvania's Shapiro? Our SoS? The know-all, give-directions-to-all governator, Tom Wolfe? How about all three? :thud:
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I would like to know who is going to jail for STEALING MY VOTE? Pennsylvania's Shapiro? Our SoS? The know-all, give-directions-to-all governator, Tom Wolfe? How about all three? :thud:
My advice? Prepare yourself for disappointment.
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My advice? Prepare yourself for disappointment.
@XenaLee
Frankly,I am going to be surprised if the people responsible for this election theft aren't all over the web bragging about it within a week of Biden (or whoever is designated to replace him) is sworn in.
After all,if they had enough common sense to come in out of the rain,they wouldn't be Dims,and really,WHAT can we do about it at that point,anyway?
If someone does try going after them,all they have to say is they were lying,and laugh.
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@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1
This info. is from NBC News reporting about "a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections". These experts report, "While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk. They did this work in January, 2020, to determine the state of election machines before the Primary and General Election.
If you read this you will know what is happening with electronic voting machines. These states do not intend for their "numbers" to be found, but these experts explain how that happens in some states. This is excellent information, go there and read which systems/states are vulnerable.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436)
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@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1
This info. is from NBC News reporting about "a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections". These experts report, "While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk. They did this work in January, 2020, to determine the state of election machines before the Primary and General Election.
If you read this you will know what is happening with electronic voting machines. These states do not intend for their "numbers" to be found, but these experts explain how that happens in some states. This is excellent information, go there and read which systems/states are vulnerable.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436)
If it's NBC, I don't want to risk the lowering of my IQ that's sure to happen if I click that link.
I am sorry, but the mainstream press has so ruined its reputation that we just can't read them withou the word "LIE!" tattooed on every word. :shrug:
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The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually. What we're likely getting is divided government that will temper radicalism. I like divided government. It's a hell of a lot less threatening to my liberties and pocketbook, and all sides still have skin in the game.
I would say, whether we agree or not, that posters here are of above average intelligence.
IOW, over half of that collective voice is likely NOT more wise, and definitely not as well versed in either the issues nor keeping up to date with them. It is entirely likely that the understanding and knowledge of the Constitution shown here is leagues above that 'average'.
Sorry, but your million mom math just doesn't work. And one side commonly has only the skin in the game that they can remove from the rest of us.
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If it's NBC, I don't want to risk the lowering of my IQ that's sure to happen if I click that link. I am sorry, but the mainstream press has so ruined its reputation that we just can't read them withou the word "LIE!" tattooed on every word. :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty
I was afraid you would say something like that, then I thought maybe since it is me, he knows I would not put something on here that is liberal crap about this machine problem. NBC printed it, but it is the men's words, not NBC's words. Please read it, then send me a PM. Please. Pretty Please, I swear on Prissy's new sweaters, you will be glad you did, and probably take notes (I am), to keep the info. near by as the investigation of this election continues.
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The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually.
The collective voice of the voters has been denied by fraudulent election tampering. Your Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is a prime culprit.
If Biden won your state on the up-and-up, then Democrats should welcome a recount, paid for by the Trump campaign.
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@Cyber Liberty
I was afraid you would say something like that, then I thought maybe since it is me, he knows I would not put something on here that is liberal crap about this machine problem. NBC printed it, but it is the men's words, not NBC's words. Please read it, then send me a PM. Please. Pretty Please, I swear on Prissy's new sweaters, you will be glad you did, and probably take notes (I am), to keep the info. near by as the investigation of this election continues.
I am sure there's a lot of truth in there, but it's difficult trying to glean good information from a source that a serial liar. I'll look at it, probably best when I'm in a better mood. Big day tomorrow, I'm going to a County Board of Supervisors tomorrow, and I may have to piss somebody off from the Lectern again. I'm trying not to be too much of a PITA.
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If it's NBC, I don't want to risk the lowering of my IQ that's sure to happen if I click that link.
I am sorry, but the mainstream press has so ruined its reputation that we just can't read them withou the word "LIE!" tattooed on every word. :shrug:
It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.
We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.
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It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.
We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.
It's the times we live in. Almost all broadcast News Agencies can't be trusted to report the color of the sky, rendering them unreadable crap that actually reduces the aggregate intelligence of all who read/watch it.
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It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.
We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.
Easier said than done. The only way to "fix" it for future elections is to impose national election standards that every state must adhere to. No more of this easily-hacked voting machines BS chosen by corrupt state officials....and no more corrupt state officials making up election laws as the they go along... ie changing the rules mid-game.
I normally champion states rights, but this election has opened my eyes to how widespread and rampant the corruption has become re: US elections. Obviously, what these leftist-run states have done and what they are trying to do negatively effects the other 45 states. So....time to put every state under a standard elections regulations umbrella.
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This info. is from NBC News reporting about "a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections". These experts report, "While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk. They did this work in January, 2020, to determine the state of election machines before the Primary and General Election.
If you read this you will know what is happening with electronic voting machines. These states do not intend for their "numbers" to be found, but these experts explain how that happens in some states. This is excellent information, go there and read which systems/states are vulnerable.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436)
@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty
I will pick up on this... We KNOW the electronic systems are online somehow... Or they would not be reporting real-time results into the MSM drama on election night. THAT the tabulation taking place is available for ongoing commentary means they are certainly online ~somehow~.
While that does afford an opportunity for exploitation, it does not mean, necessarily, that it (any networking) is indeed promiscuous. For instance, a Windows 98 operating system is exploitable by it's very nature - there is very little thought put into network security in a stock win98 machine. But put that machine behind a modern router, and give it a modern anti-virus, firewall, and browser, and it becomes far less easy to exploit. On the other side of things, a modern Linux machine has all it needs internally in the operating system to be bloody well bulletproof all by itself standing online.
So THAT it is online is not necessarily bad - depending upon the various parts of the network and the ability of its IT crew. Banking and trading systems are online by their very nature with little ongoing trouble.
But it should not be neglected that being online, by its very nature, opens a system to exploitation. It also opens systems to remote control, which can be very useful, but can also be an obvious problem in an election system. That they are online to some degree is self evident. Whether they are secure and remain without manipulation relies heavily upon the management of their systems.
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@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty
I will pick up on this... We KNOW the electronic systems are online somehow... Or they would not be reporting real-time results into the MSM drama on election night. THAT the tabulation taking place is available for ongoing commentary means they are certainly online ~somehow~.
While that does afford an opportunity for exploitation, it does not mean, necessarily, that it (any networking) is indeed promiscuous. For instance, a Windows 98 operating system is exploitable by it's very nature - there is very little thought put into network security in a stock win98 machine. But put that machine behind a modern router, and give it a modern anti-virus, firewall, and browser, and it becomes far less easy to exploit. On the other side of things, a modern Linux machine has all it needs internally in the operating system to be bloody well bulletproof all by itself standing online.
So THAT it is online is not necessarily bad - depending upon the various parts of the network and the ability of its IT crew. Banking and trading systems are online by their very nature with little ongoing trouble.
But it should not be neglected that being online, by its very nature, opens a system to exploitation. It also opens systems to remote control, which can be very useful, but can also be an obvious problem in an election system. That they are online to some degree is self evident. Whether they are secure and remain without manipulation relies heavily upon the management of their systems.
Ahem....https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/chase-breach-affects-76-million-households-a-7395 (https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/chase-breach-affects-76-million-households-a-7395)
say what? And this is a bank we assume didn't want a 'problem'. I can't assume that in the jurisdictions which appear compromised.
For instance, an analysis, with no bias, that may expose the fraud and the algorithm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be)
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It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.
We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.
I would submit that you are indeed seeing the death of journalism - But not from the left swinging MSM, which has neglected journalism for decades... But rather, the stake-in-the-heart happened on the RIGHT, where partisanship now runs rampant even as it has on the left... Due to the dubious defense that 'the Democrats do it, so why can't we?'
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Easier said than done. The only way to "fix" it for future elections is to impose national election standards that every state must adhere to. No more of this easily-hacked voting machines BS chosen by corrupt state officials....and no more corrupt state officials making up election laws as the they go along... ie changing the rules mid-game.
I normally champion states rights, but this election has opened my eyes to how widespread and rampant the corruption has become re: US elections. Obviously, what these leftist-run states have done and what they are trying to do negatively effects the other 45 states. So....time to put every state under a standard elections regulations umbrella.
Every time liberty is lost, the excuse for its demise seems valid.
Them that would trade liberty for safety deserve neither.
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Ahem....https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/chase-breach-affects-76-million-households-a-7395 (https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/chase-breach-affects-76-million-households-a-7395)
say what? And this is a bank we assume didn't want a 'problem'. I can't assume that in the jurisdictions which appear compromised.
For instance, an analysis, with no bias, that may expose the fraud and the algorithm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be)
The tenor of your post seems to presume some sort of laissez-faire attitude in me wrt the matter, which is incorrect. I meant my post to be informational and generic... Not pointing to anything either way, but merely acknowledging that it exists. Indeed one must exercise caution because it exists.
As to the banking article, you might note that my statement included the word 'ongoing'. You might also note that Chase, having been caught with their pants down, immediately took steps to fix the problem. You will always be able to point to the anecdotal problem. And I will even readily admit that such problems will always exist, as they do in everything. The point remains: Banking and trade are online and are very robust in their ability to protect their networks.
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https://www.jonathanepmoore.com/the-1982-consent-decree-and-connecting-the-dots/ (https://www.jonathanepmoore.com/the-1982-consent-decree-and-connecting-the-dots/)
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It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.
We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.
Conservative ideas and republican values can and did win this year. How did all the voter fraud seemingly bypass the House races, where we may gained as many as a dozen seats and reduced the Dem majority to a trickle? Or the many statehouse and state legislative races where the GOP decisively beat back the Dem initiative to control redistricting following the 2020 census? That effort may alone be worth a half dozen seats in 2022. And the prog ballot initiatives that were defeated even in places like Illinois and California?
The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could.
Trump lost fair and square, and as a consequence we begin the new decade with divided government. I'd say the good Lord still smiles upon this Republic, revealing the public's desire for moderation and conciliation in the face of the two warring, spitting tribes.
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Conservative ideas and republican values can and did win this year. How did all the voter fraud seemingly bypass the House races, where we may gained as many as a dozen seats and reduced the Dem majority to a trickle? Or the many statehouse and state legislative races where the GOP decisively beat back the Dem initiative to control redistricting following the 2020 census? That effort may alone be worth a half dozen seats in 2022. And the prog ballot initiatives that were defeated even in places like Illinois and California?
The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could.
Trump lost fair and square, and as a consequence we begin the new decade with divided government. I'd say the good Lord still smiles upon this Republic, revealing the public's desire for moderation and conciliation in the face of the two warring, spitting tribes.
Too many reports of voting irregularities. For Biden. It needs to be stopped and people put in jail. Even if Trump still loses this crap needs to stop. There is no trust. And never will be until we stop it.
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Trump lost fair and square
Seriously, how do you know?
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Seriously, how do you know?
MSM said so.
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MSM said so.
The only people claiming 'Trump lost fair and square' are the progressive dead enders and Lincoln Project contributors. Literally everyone else knows the whole setup stank.
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Seriously, how do you know?
One could be forgiven for thinking he lives in the "Broward County" of 2020. Maybe he thinks this is "normal?"
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One could be forgiven for thinking he lives in the "Broward County" of 2020. Maybe he thinks this is "normal?"
It will if we don't do something about it now.
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It will if we don't do something about it now.
Which could help explain his constant poo-pooing of our frustration with cheating. If he "plays our cards right," he can have guns taken away from yahoos who want to waltz around his town square with weapons of war (emphasis on "his"). Kasich Republicans are such Democrats....
Don't worry, he only wants to "insure" them with exorbitant government premiums and back-door gun registration. He said. :whistle:
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Too many reports of voting irregularities. For Biden. It needs to be stopped and people put in jail. Even if Trump still loses this crap needs to stop. There is no trust. And never will be until we stop it.
You got it backwards.
Once people are put in jail, then it will stop.
Until that time, it will continue as perpetrators see no adverse reason to cease.
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Which could help explain his constant poo-pooing of our frustration with cheating. If he "plays our cards right," he can have guns taken away from yahoos who want to waltz around his town square with weapons of war (emphasis on "his"). Kasich Republicans are such Democrats....
Don't worry, he only wants to "insure" them with exorbitant government premiums and back-door gun registration. He said. :whistle:
The GOPe couldn't ask for a more apt representative.
They think this fraudulent election means they get their franchise back, we conservatives/America 1sters will be forced back onto the reservation, back to eating the sh*t sandwich they've been shoving down our throats for 50 years and they can get back to stuffing money in their pockets.
They are blind. The ground has shifted under them, and permanently.
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The GOPe couldn't ask for a more apt representative.
They think this fraudulent election means they get their franchise back, we conservatives/America 1sters will be forced back onto the reservation, back to eating the sh*t sandwich they've been shoving down our throats for 50 years and they can get back to stuffing money in their pockets.
They are blind. The ground has shifted under them, and permanently.
They're not worried about the ground shifting. Their balance is just fine after decades of wobbling and flip-flopping. They also have that 'normalcy bias' that tells them everything will settle back down... like it always does eventually. And they could be right. Again, we have to rely on "the courts" to rule over this travesty. And we all know who (which side) controls the courts by now. Even now, nobody can be 100% certain how ACB will side if/when it reaches that court.
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Conservative ideas and republican values can and did win this year. How did all the voter fraud seemingly bypass the House races, where we may gained as many as a dozen seats and reduced the Dem majority to a trickle? Or the many statehouse and state legislative races where the GOP decisively beat back the Dem initiative to control redistricting following the 2020 census? That effort may alone be worth a half dozen seats in 2022. And the prog ballot initiatives that were defeated even in places like Illinois and California?
The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could.
Trump lost fair and square, and as a consequence we begin the new decade with divided government. I'd say the good Lord still smiles upon this Republic, revealing the public's desire for moderation and conciliation in the face of the two warring, spitting tribes.
The algorithm for altering votes was programmed to alter the POTUS race only.
Otherwise, the disparity between POTUS outcome and downticket races wouldn't be there.
I really do not see people intentionally neutering any changes they might make in Congress by putting Harris/Biden in the oval office--especially in states where phenomenal revenue (private and public) depends on the very oil and gas industry that those two have pledged to destroy.
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The algorithm for altering votes was programmed to alter the POTUS race only.
Otherwise, the disparity between POTUS outcome and downticket races wouldn't be there.
That's speculation. Ask me again after Georgia completes its hand recount. We've been assured that, historically, hand recounts only change hundreds, no thousands, of votes. Let's see if history holds.
The mere discrepancy between the Presidential and down ballot races can be easily explained by reasons other than fraud.
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It will if we don't do something about it now.
As Spock said, logical.
Because once this election is put to bed, with Biden napping in his plush digs, the events, evidence, energy and opportunity is gone. Congressional committees will hold hearings afterwards and conclude no fraud, no cheating took place. It was a free and fair election.
It’s now or never.
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That's speculation. Ask me again after Georgia completes its hand recount. We've been assured that, historically, hand recounts only change hundreds, no thousands, of votes. Let's see if history holds.
The mere discrepancy between the Presidential and down ballot races can be easily explained by reasons other than fraud.
Georgia is apparently NOT properly auditing the votes cast in this election so you can forget that!
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They're not worried about the ground shifting. Their balance is just fine after decades of wobbling and flip-flopping. They also have that 'normalcy bias' that tells them everything will settle back down... like it always does eventually. And they could be right. Again, we have to rely on "the courts" to rule over this travesty. And we all know who (which side) controls the courts by now. Even now, nobody can be 100% certain how ACB will side if/when it reaches that court.
The difference is now the conservative base now sees what is possible when your candidate has integrity and a little tenacity.
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The difference is now the conservative base now sees what is possible when your candidate has integrity and a little tenacity.
Yeah, regarding the GOPe.....
we got a taste of that "what's possible" when the rats tried to steal the 2000 election in Floriduh. Not much has changed since then, has it. They've had two decades to "fix" what they knew or should have known was broke....
and they did zip, exactly, about fixing it. No need to even ask the question.... there's your answer. They don't want it fixed.
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Yeah, regarding the GOPe.....
we got a taste of that "what's possible" when the rats tried to steal the 2000 election in Floriduh. Not much has changed since then, has it. They've had two decades to "fix" what they knew or should have known was broke....
and they did zip, exactly, about fixing it. No need to even ask the question.... there's your answer. They don't want it fixed.
I was referring to the Trump presidency in general, but yes the GOPe clearly is OK with rat corruption, although I have no idea why. Maybe each expects to be sitting in those few positions the rats will allow them as window dressing for 'democracy'.
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I was referring to the Trump presidency in general, but yes the GOPe clearly is OK with rat corruption, although I have no idea why. Maybe each expects to be sitting in those few positions the rats will allow them as window dressing for 'democracy'.
Yeah, as experience and history has shown us.... Complicity is obviously their middle name.
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@Jazzhead
You said, "The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could."
Exactly, Republicans voted Biden to get rid of Trump, and voted their usual way, Republican, down ticket. Women is one group who voted this way. It is inherent for women to choose "safety" (for their children), and Trump's continual, every day a new outburst, nastiness, foul words, etc., etc., causes women to reject him. They want peace for their children and Trump was never peace.
Some of you will reject what I wrote above, but it is the truth of the behavior of women. In ancient times, the leader of a group was the physically strongest man. A women needed a strong man in order to give safety to her children. That desire has never changed. The meaning of "strong" has changed. Money is the new "strong", and second is physically strong.
A truism: Women need men to lift heavy objects and kill spiders. Just yesterday, I could not get the top off a milk jug. I took it to Bob and he had it off in a second. A few years ago, I came into the living area, headed for the kitchen. In front of me on the floor was a snake. I stood still and called out "Bob, come here, SNAKE!" He came, knows snakes, and said it was a grass snake, picked it up and took it outside. Ladies, tell your husband/partner, he is important to you.
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Women want a strong man. So they virtually voted for Joe Biden.
Yeah, I reject this theory in the strongest terms.
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@Jazzhead
You said, "The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could."
Exactly, Republicans voted Biden to get rid of Trump, and voted their usual way, Republican, down ticket. Women is one group who voted this way. It is inherent for women to choose "safety" (for their children), and Trump's continual, every day a new outburst, nastiness, foul words, etc., etc., causes women to reject him. They want peace for their children and Trump was never peace.
Some of you will reject what I wrote above, but it is the truth of the behavior of women. In ancient times, the leader of a group was the physically strongest man. A women needed a strong man in order to give safety to her children. That desire has never changed. The meaning of "strong" has changed. Money is the new "strong", and second is physically strong.
Well none of that makes sense, since:
1: Real Republicans would NEVER vote for that idiot Joe Biden, and
2: Trump has shown himself to be very strong against the evil radical left... a helluva lot stronger than that idiot Biden has ever been. And as for money, Trump had his own money BEFORE running for pres...and before donating his salary to worthy causes.... while Biden became filthy rich, padding his wallet with taxpayer money, after being VP via his corrupt 'pay for play/access' dirty deals. As for morality, turns out.... Biden was probably cheating on his first wife with Jill... which could have ended up contributing to his first wife's accidental death, and
3: Money is what Trump has put MORE of in most American's pockets for the past four years... compared to the dismal, lowered expectations Stagnation that Obama/Biden inflicted Americans, including women, with.
So....so much for your "strong, money" argument.
A truism: Women need men to lift heavy objects and kill spiders. Just yesterday, I could not get the top off a milk jug. I took it to Bob and he had it off in a second. A few years ago, I came into the living area, headed for the kitchen. In front of me on the floor was a snake. I stood still and called out "Bob, come here, SNAKE!" He came, knows snakes, and said it was a grass snake, picked it up and took it outside. Ladies, tell your husband/partner, he is important to you.
Really? You're actually afraid of a grass snake? I guess women (real women) are different from where you are. And especially Texas women. :whistle:
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I was referring to the Trump presidency in general, but yes the GOPe clearly is OK with rat corruption, although I have no idea why. Maybe each expects to be sitting in those few positions the rats will allow them as window dressing for 'democracy'.
My guess is the GOPe doesn't care about the power because they want the same things the Rats do. They just want to keep their sinecures, E.G. the graft.
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My guess is the GOPe doesn't care about the power because they want the same things the Rats do. They just want to keep their sinecures, E.G. the graft.
The rats can make the policy as long as they allow ‘republicans’ a few positions to maintain the veneer of a bicameral government. The gop doesn’t mind the left making policy because their big government solutions suit the gop as well.
And if we allow The Steal we’ll ever see another president who doesn’t have the blessing of the ruling elite again.
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My guess is the GOPe doesn't care about the power because they want the same things the Rats do. They just want to keep their sinecures, E.G. the graft.
Or maybe they just still care about such things as comity and common decency. Maybe they're just folks who don't view their neighbors as the enemy.
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Or maybe they just still care about such things as comity and common decency. Maybe they're just folks who don't view their neighbors as the enemy.
Where you been last four years? When have democrats ever practiced comity and common decency?
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Or maybe they just still care about such things as comity and common decency. Maybe they're just folks who don't view their neighbors as the enemy.
Holy moly, crappyoly.
Are you actually saying that the radical left... ie Joe Biden... represents common decency?
Dude... your leftie slip isn't just showing....
it has completely fallen down around your ankles!
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@Jazzhead
You said, "The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could."
Exactly, Republicans voted Biden to get rid of Trump, and voted their usual way, Republican, down ticket. Women is one group who voted this way. It is inherent for women to choose "safety" (for their children), and Trump's continual, every day a new outburst, nastiness, foul words, etc., etc., causes women to reject him. They want peace for their children and Trump was never peace.
Some of you will reject what I wrote above, but it is the truth of the behavior of women. In ancient times, the leader of a group was the physically strongest man. A women needed a strong man in order to give safety to her children. That desire has never changed. The meaning of "strong" has changed. Money is the new "strong", and second is physically strong.
A truism: Women need men to lift heavy objects and kill spiders. Just yesterday, I could not get the top off a milk jug. I took it to Bob and he had it off in a second. A few years ago, I came into the living area, headed for the kitchen. In front of me on the floor was a snake. I stood still and called out "Bob, come here, SNAKE!" He came, knows snakes, and said it was a grass snake, picked it up and took it outside. Ladies, tell your husband/partner, he is important to you.
Bumped for truth. It is wonderful to see the voters, in their wisdom, split the difference between the warring, spitting tribes.
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Or maybe they just still care about such things as comity and common decency. Maybe they're just folks who don't view their neighbors as the enemy.
Your line of BS ain't flying here, but youre a hoot all the same.
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Holy moly, crappyoly.
Are you actually saying that the radical left... ie Joe Biden... represents common decency?
Dude... your leftie slip isn't just showing....
it has completely fallen down around your ankles!
Biden deliberately played down Den policies. His sole appeal was that he wasn't Trump. Meanwhile, other GOP candidates, all over the country, made substantial gains. According to Mark Steyn, there has NEVER been an election before where the party that won the Presidency failed to flip even one contested House seat.
America is just fine. It is not in the grip of a leftist takeover. It just wants a President who doesnt live to polarize and divide.
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Your line of BS ain't flying here, but youre a hoot all the same.
You can't handle the truth.
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Biden deliberately played down Den policies. His sole appeal was that he wasn't Trump. Meanwhile, other GOP candidates, all over the country, made substantial gains. According to Mark Steyn, there has NEVER been an election before where the party that won the Presidency failed to flip even one contested House seat.
America is just fine. It is not in the grip of a leftist takeover. It just wants a President who doesnt live to polarize and divide.
Well... with all due respect (to you AND to America)....
if America "thinks" that voting the radical left Democrats into the White House will unify the nation...
then America is stuckonstupid beyond repair. And I don't think we're quite there (FUBAR) 'yet'. Seventy plus million Americans voted against the Democrat socialists this election. That means that about half of eligible to vote Americans are NOT for the communist utopia future the Democrats represent.
So I call BS on all that you claim here. JS....
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I think I can handle the truth fine, I was talking about what you are trying to sell here.
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You can't handle the truth.
And you can't get next to it....
no matter how hard you might try.... if you ever did. :whistle:
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Well... with all due respect (to you AND to America)....
if America "thinks" that voting the radical left Democrats into the White House will unify the nation...
then America is stuckonstupid beyond repair. And I don't think we're quite there (FUBAR) 'yet'. Seventy plus million Americans voted against the Democrat socialists this election. That means that about half of eligible to vote Americans are NOT for the communist utopia future the Democrats represent.
So I call BS on all that you claim here. JS....
Trolls are better dealt with on ignore if you ask me!
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Trolls are better dealt with on ignore if you ask me!
Nah. Remember what I once told you in private?
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Trolls are better dealt with on ignore if you ask me!
A bop bag makes more sense than does our friend.
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Nah. Remember what I once told you in private?
Suit yourself! I don't have the time for that.
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The collective voice of the voters has been denied by fraudulent election tampering. Your Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is a prime culprit.
If Biden won your state on the up-and-up, then Democrats should welcome a recount, paid for by the Trump campaign.
@Hoodat
Just out of curiosity, does ANYONE remember ANY election in their entire life when the PA election WASN'T rigged?
I am a geezer,and started paying attention to national politics when I bet my father x-amount of hours worked versus a double-barrel 12 gauge hammer shotgun that Ike would win the election. I was younger than 10,and I got the shotgun.
I do admit to not paying any attention to who was winning or won what state back then,and I also admit that it either wasn't obvious all the cheating was going on,or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention until the 1970's to notice it.
I also admit that I paid zero attention to politics and didn't vote the entire time I was in the army. I saw it as a conflict of interest,and still don't believe people in the military should be allowed to vote because of the potential conflict between self and nation.
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You got it backwards.
Once people are put in jail, then it will stop.
@IsailedawayfromFR
What an odd way to spell "backed against a wall and shot".
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The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year. The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could.
Trump lost fair and square, and as a consequence we begin the new decade with divided government. I'd say the good Lord still smiles upon this Republic, revealing the public's desire for moderation and conciliation in the face of the two warring, spitting tribes.
@Jazzhead
You should change your screen name to "MizzManners".
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"Trump has bad manners" HAS to be THE most piss-poor excuse to not vote for the ONE candidate in a position and with the correct mindset to save America.
You and your fellow-travelers get your panties all in a wad over bad manners and are willing to let the globalists destroy America because your "widdle feelings got hurtz".
You poor bay-bays!
The truth is you losers don't deserve the privilege of living in America. You would be MUCH happier living in China. Everyone is polite there.
Or at least the ones who don't want to get shot are polite,anyhow.
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Holy moly, crappyoly.
Are you actually saying that the radical left... ie Joe Biden... represents common decency?
Dude... your leftie slip isn't just showing....
it has completely fallen down around your ankles!
And from what we're seeing, it must be cold and I'm reminded to pick up some baby carrots. happy77
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I was referring to the Trump presidency in general, but yes the GOPe clearly is OK with rat corruption, although I have no idea why. Maybe each expects to be sitting in those few positions the rats will allow them as window dressing for 'democracy'.
@skeeter
MY best guess is the RINO's would rather have a child-molesting drooling idiot in office they know they can "do business with" than take a chance on some unknown taking office that might be one of those "bomb-throwing radicals who ran for office to make America a better and more secure place."
In other words,"It is better to share power and profits than to have neither".
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@Bigun
Hmmmm,I might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer,but even *I* can see a conflict of interest there.
Why,it almost looks like he was giving his position to reward him for stealing the election,doesn't it?
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My guess is the GOPe doesn't care about the power because they want the same things the Rats do. They just want to keep their sinecures, E.G. the graft.
@Cyber Liberty
Of course they do. In some cases it is now multi-generational. They "inherit" the political seats their fathers and grandfathers held.
We seem to have gotten lucky and broke the hold of the Kennedy Klan. I suspect that would have never happened if they hadn't been breeding idiots for several generations in a row. It finally got so bad even the Mass Catholic voters wanted no more of them.
It even looks like we are even finally rid of the Bush Crime Family as major political players,too. For the same reason. When Babs died,so did most of the family IQ points. With the Kennedy Klan,it was Old Man Joe.
Damned if I haven't almost talked myself into thinking things are getting better!
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Or maybe they just still care about such things as comity and common decency. Maybe they're just folks who don't view their neighbors as the enemy.
@Jazzhead
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
You're funny!
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Biden deliberately played down Den policies.
@Jazzhead
Not true. He just didn't know what they are.
He still doesn't know.
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Trolls are better dealt with on ignore if you ask me!
@Bigun
Think,"Comedic relief".
Laughter is good for the soul.
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@Bigun
Think,"Comedic relief".
Laughter is good for the soul.
I can see keeping one around to play with when things get boring but right now isn't that time.
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Or maybe they just still care about such things as comity and common decency. Maybe they're just folks who don't view their neighbors as the enemy.
You are so trusting, it's cute of you. *****rollingeyes*****
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According to Mark Steyn, there has NEVER been an election before where the party that won the Presidency failed to flip even one contested House seat.
They flipped 12 seats.
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The mere discrepancy between the Presidential and down ballot races can be easily explained by reasons other than fraud.
@Jazzhead
Then please explain it. Here in Georgia, 99.973% of GOP down-ticket voters voted for Trump. 99.973%
That means out of roughly 2.46 million GOP down-ticket voters, only 665 of them did not vote for Trump. In other words, your premise is complete BS. But then you knew that already.
Now let's compare that with Biden. There were roughly 100,000 Biden voters who did not vote for a single down-ticket candidate of either party. Just Biden votes. It is as if a small group of people was sitting at a table stacked with ballots, and were instructed to cast as many votes for Biden as possible in a very short amount of time.
But then you say this can easily be explained without fraud. So explain away.
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They flipped 12 seats.
They did indeed.
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But then you say this can easily be explained without fraud. So explain away.
:2popcorn:
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@Jazzhead
Then please explain it. Here in Georgia, 99.973% of GOP down-ticket voters voted for Trump. 99.973%
That means out of roughly 2.46 million GOP down-ticket voters, only 665 of them did not vote for Trump. In other words, your premise is complete BS. But then you knew that already.
Now let's compare that with Biden. There were roughly 100,000 Biden voters who did not vote for a single down-ticket candidate of either party. Just Biden votes. It is as if a small group of people was sitting at a table stacked with ballots, and were instructed to cast as many votes for Biden as possible in a very short amount of time.
The only thing left out of your hypothesis is who owned the table stacked with ballots - Joey ‘Skinny’ Merlino. At least in Philly.
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America is just fine. It is not in the grip of a leftist takeover. It just wants a President who doesnt live to polarize and divide.
Damn.... you slept through the Obama and Clinton years didn't you? You're argument has sank to a level of ridicule. Give up while you are behind.
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Damn.... you slept through the Obama and Clinton years didn't you? You're argument has sank to a level of ridicule. Give up while you are behind.
What are talking about? I never voted for either Clinton or Obama.
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What are talking about? I never voted for either Clinton or Obama.
Here's an explanation even a fifth grader could understand. Obama and Clinton both polarized and divided. They were each elected twice. Thus, your premise fails.
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They flipped 12 seats.
I think you've got that wrong. The Dems won the Presidency with a candidate with no coattails. It is the GOP that may pick up a dozen seats.
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What are talking about? I never voted for either Clinton or Obama.
I think the point he's trying to make with you .... is that there was NO president in US history that was more divisive (if they being a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.... get in their faces) than Barack Hussein Obama.
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I think you've got that wrong. The Dems won the Presidency with a candidate with no coattails. It is the GOP that may pick up a dozen seats.
Catch a clue... nobody has won the effing presidency YET. Despite what the blathering idiot left pressholes have bleated.
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Here's an explanation even a fifth grader could understand. Obama and Clinton both polarized and divided. They were each elected twice. Thus, your premise fails.
The subject of this thread is Trump. All across the nation, GOP candidates succeeded where Trump failed. The reason isn't voter fraud. The reason is that Trump is uniquely polarizing. People were, to put it simply, exhausted with him and the Dems' 24/7 TDS. Ticket-splitting was the rational result.
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What are talking about? I never voted for either Clinton or Obama.
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I think the point he's trying to make with you .... is that there was NO president in US history that was more divisive (if they being a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.... get in their faces) than Barack Hussein Obama.
But, Trump’s personality!
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Catch a clue... nobody has won the effing presidency YET. Despite what the blathering idiot left pressholes have bleated.
If you want to cling to that fantasy, have at it. *****rollingeyes*****
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@Jazzhead
Exactly, Republicans voted Biden to get rid of Trump, and voted their usual way, Republican, down ticket. Women is one group who voted this way. It is inherent for women to choose "safety" (for their children), and Trump's continual, every day a new outburst, nastiness, foul words, etc., etc., causes women to reject him. They want peace for their children and Trump was never peace.
Some of you will reject what I wrote above, but it is the truth of the behavior of women.
If you truly believe @Victoria33 that women want a strong man KEEP THEIR CHILDREN SAFE then the choice is Donald Trump.
He's the one fighting to bring jobs back to the family (you know, so the kids can have a roof over their heads and eat), and fighting for choice in education.
Trump's the one engaged on the world stage killing terrorists who need killing, boxing in tyrants who would threaten our homeland and building the strongest military in the world to prove we're serious.
And Trump is the one bringing the sons and daughters and husbands home from endless wars while he's throwing in jail, not coddling, the anarchists destroying our towns and threatening our security in our own homes.
Your conclusion that women wanting safety would vote for Biden is just backwards, inside out and dead-on wrong.
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The subject of this thread is Trump. All across the nation, GOP candidates succeeded where Trump failed. The reason isn't voter fraud. The reason is that Trump is uniquely polarizing. People were, to put it simply, exhausted with him and the Dems' 24/7 TDS. Ticket-splitting was the rational result.
150 years of presidential election history says otherwise.
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But, Trump’s personality!
Yup. It didn't matter to you. It mattered to a lot of other folks.
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150 years of presidential election history says otherwise.
It is indeed unprecedented. Never before has the winning Presidential candidate had NO coattails. It is astonishing. And it has nothing to do with fraud.
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I think you've got that wrong. The Dems won the Presidency with a candidate with no coattails. It is the GOP that may pick up a dozen seats.
The Dems? I thought you were talking about who won the valid vote count, not the fraudulent count.
But it does stand out. Maybe you can explain how the GOP was able to pick up that many House seats but lose the Presidential tally when those exact same voters also voted for Trump.
This has been pointed out to you repeatedly, yet with complete forethought you continue in your attempt to deceive everyone on this board.
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If you truly believe @Victoria33 that women want a strong man KEEP THEIR CHILDREN SAFE then the choice is Donald Trump.
He's the one fighting to bring jobs back to the family (you know, so the kids can have a roof over their heads and eat), and fighting for choice in education.
Trump's the one engaged on the world stage killing terrorists who need killing, boxing in tyrants who would threaten our homeland and building the strongest military in the world to prove we're serious.
And Trump is the one bringing the sons and daughters and husbands home from endless wars while he's throwing in jail, not coddling, the anarchists destroying our towns and threatening our security in our own homes.
Your conclusion that women wanting safety would vote for Biden is just backwards, inside out and dead-on wrong.
A bit late for this. I agree, Trump's policies are far superior to the Democrats' . And the voters agree with you, too. And the result will be divided government. I can live with that for the next two years
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If you want to cling to that fantasy, have at it. *****rollingeyes*****
You’re right, reality can seem like fantasy in the democrats world of dystopian dreams. Fascists calling themselves anti fascist while attacking an old woman with a red hat; BLM saying they’re all about justice so they burn down their neighbors businesses and shoot them dead; Joe Biden, the court jester of politics won the election in a landslide, it’s a mandate! Is it real or is it memorex?
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If you want to cling to that fantasy, have at it. *****rollingeyes*****
@Jazzhead
Stop shitting on Members and rubbishing their reasonable comments as "fantasy."
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The subject of this thread is Trump. All across the nation, GOP candidates succeeded where Trump failed. The reason isn't voter fraud.
Yes, yes it is. And I don't care what the hell they're teaching you in troll school.
Here's where the totals where on election night when -- for no given reason -- these states stopped counting for three hours to inject Biden's "victory" into the totals.
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The Dems? I thought you were talking about who won the valid vote count, not the fraudulent count.
But it does stand out. Maybe you can explain how the GOP was able to pick up that many House seats but lose the Presidential tally when those exact same voters also voted for Trump.
They didn't - folks split their tickets. You keep pointing out, without attribution, an anomalous statistic from Georgia. My instinct is not to believe it, but let's wait for the hand recount.
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A bit late for this.
A bit late for what?
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Yes, yes it is. And I don't care what the hell they're teaching you in troll school.
Here's where the totals where on election night when -- for no given reason -- these states stopped counting for three hours to inject Biden's "victory" into the totals.
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Evidence? Like I have said, Dominion systems were used in Georgia, where there is to be a hand recount. Let's see what that reveals before guzzling the kool-aid.
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@Jazzhead
Stop shitting on Members and rubbishing their reasonable comments as "fantasy."
The real unicorns, skittles, and rainbow fantasy is thinking that there was not a concerted effort to steal the election. There is just too much evidence now. I am not optimistic at this point that we can counter the coup, but electoral reform is drastically needed, or one of the next DC marches may need to be 1 million Pitchforks.
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A bit late for what?
For arguing why women should have voted for Trump. The voters have spoken.
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Evidence? Like I have said, Dominion systems were used in Georgia, where there is to be a hand recount. Let's see what that reveals before guzzling the kool-aid.
Without adequate GOP observers you don't think these hand ballots can or already have gotten lost? You seem to have forgotten that aspect of the story, or the phantom water line break that allowed Fulton County to manipulate vote counting. Geez.
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If you want to cling to that fantasy, have at it. *****rollingeyes*****
Oh gee.... so tell us, Einstein....
when, exactly, did the certification happen?
And you have the nerve, the colossal ballz, to talk about clinging to a fantasy. :chairbang:
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In Pennsylvania, 98.4% of voters voting for Republican candidates in House races also voted for Trump.
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Evidence? Like I have said, Dominion systems were used in Georgia, where there is to be a hand recount.
And like everyone has said over and over and over again, including the President, a recount is meaningless ..... without a corresponding audit.
Stop being deliberately obtuse.
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In Pennsylvania, 98.4% of voters voting for Republican candidates in House races also voted for Trump.
Also wasn't there some strange stat in PA, that an incredible amount of votes went for Biden, but they failed to vote down ticket?
Think about it. If you are going to go to the trouble to vote, how many people stop at the POTUS line?
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In Pennsylvania, 98.4% of voters voting for Republican candidates in House races also voted for Trump.
I'd love to see the ballots of the votes entered in Pennsylvania during the counting blackout.
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They didn't - folks split their tickets. You keep pointing out, without attribution, an anomalous statistic from Georgia. My instinct is not to believe it, but let's wait for the hand recount.
Then how for heaven sake did Trump have an overall 53 percent favorability and a 90+ favorability in the GOP going into the election and then get tossed aside by so many Republican ticket splitters in the election? It defies the historical record and logic.
Enthusiasm is a reliable tool to gage your voters commitment to get out and vote for the candidate. Did you happen to notice the enthusiasm at Biden rallies? No one else did, either.
Now compare and contrast the exuberance and insane turn out numbers between Biden and Trump’s final days of the campaign.
Your assertion is just not credible. Trump won the election on election night as the steal went into full swing. Now the media says deny your lying eyes. No sale.
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If you want to cling to that fantasy, have at it. *****rollingeyes*****
If you'd open your mind a bit, you might want to see some work from young Mr O'Keefe. Let us know what you rebuke in his election fraud investigations.
https://www.projectveritas.com (https://www.projectveritas.com)
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They didn't - folks split their tickets. You keep pointing out, without attribution, an anomalous statistic from Georgia. My instinct is not to believe it, but let's wait for the hand recount.
The hand recount is not counting down-ticket votes. Here are the earlier results:
Trump - 2,458,010
Perdue - 2,458,665
Loeffler/Collins/et al - 2,457,638
So Trump got 655 votes less than Perdue, and 372 votes more than the GOP candidates in the other Senate race. In other words, your claim that Republicans abandoned Trump but voted GOP down-ticket is pure unadulterated BS. And the fact that you continue to make that claim repeatedly in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary makes you a liar.
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I'd love to see the ballots of the votes entered in Pennsylvania during the counting blackout.
We'll never know that. Since PA (especially Philly) have ignored so many Judicial orders I am assuming they broke the ones about sequestering the shady votes. This is the squeaky clean election, run by the squeaky clean County officials a certain person is continuing to gush all over us about.
Reading posts sometimes makes me feel soiled. :laugh:
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The hand recount is not counting down-ticket votes. Here are the earlier results:
Trump - 2,458,010
Perdue - 2,458,665
Loeffler/Collins/et al - 2,457,638
So Trump got 655 votes less than Perdue, and 372 votes more than the GOP candidates in the other Senate race. In other words, your claim that Republicans abandoned Trump but voted GOP down-ticket is pure unadulterated BS. And the fact that you continue to make that claim repeatedly in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary makes you a liar.
Well, it does make him consistent with his pre-election jibber jabber about being wise (like him) and vote against Trump and concentrate on keeping Mitch McConnell the Majority leader, which if we let GA get away with all the fraud will also fail to a 50-50 Senate and a Rat Veep as President of the Senate.
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If you'd open your mind a bit, you might want to see some work from young Mr O'Keefe. Let us know what you rebuke in his election fraud investigations.
https://www.projectveritas.com (https://www.projectveritas.com)
This great (and sourced) post of yours will be ignored. Just a guess.
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That's speculation. Ask me again after Georgia completes its hand recount. We've been assured that, historically, hand recounts only change hundreds, no thousands, of votes. Let's see if history holds.
The mere discrepancy between the Presidential and down ballot races can be easily explained by reasons other than fraud.
Have at. 'splain away. And make sure those votes are only counted once.
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The hand recount is not counting down-ticket votes. Here are the earlier results:
Trump - 2,458,010
Perdue - 2,458,665
Loeffler/Collins/et al - 2,457,638
So Trump got 655 votes less than Perdue, and 372 votes more than the GOP candidates in the other Senate race. In other words, your claim that Republicans abandoned Trump but voted GOP down-ticket is pure unadulterated BS. And the fact that you continue to make that claim repeatedly in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary makes you a liar.
Well done! :thumbsup: