The Briefing Room

General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Topic started by: TomSea on June 07, 2018, 03:15:55 am

Title: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 07, 2018, 03:15:55 am
There is a nice website where it does all the work, you sign up for it and then, you can join....make predictions,  have a mini-league.

I will start the mini-league, "The No USA World Cup " , cause we missed it.

You first need to sign up for your free profile with Predict the Football. Then go to the "Join Mini-League" page and enter the code 150778.

It's free, code to enter is " 150778 ", I think if one just follows this link and enters the number, it will take you right there. I don't know how this will work, it's a bit late. I think I will do that at the other website as well.

https://worldcup.predictthefootball.com/minileague/join

I'm already in one league, so rather than crash their league with newcomers, I will set this up, maybe it will work, maybe it won't. I can also pm that other league. I just don't want to be a party crasher all of a sudden.

Games start June 14th, that gives us a week, Russia is time zones ahead of us. One can pick the games daily, about to the start of game time. Predictions are made at the top where it reads "profiles and predictions", click that.

I've had so much enjoyment talking about soccer/football with other people, Old Player and people like that at the other website, if they give it a chance, they might like this.
Title: Re: World Cup Special, Prediction Game, games start June 14th.
Post by: kevindavis007 on June 10, 2018, 10:28:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPtgxmA_j2I
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 11, 2018, 02:45:43 pm
Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov with Egyptian and World Soccer sensation, Mohammed Salah who plays for Egypt and Liverpool:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfZFiFvXkAIbN1I.jpg:large)

I hope he has recovered from that play in the Champions League final.

Title updated, this will be just for World Cup discussion.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 11, 2018, 03:13:48 pm
(http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/fastclipper/2018/0609/evc__20180609_usa__fra_72803946_7d9b_4374_b45c_a1219740d756/evc__20180609_usa__fra_72803946_7d9b_4374_b45c_a1219740d756.jpg)

After seeing this monstrosity of a uniform now I'm glad the US isn't in it.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 11, 2018, 03:33:28 pm
I'm rooting for Poland.   Nothing would be better than winning on Russian soil.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 11, 2018, 03:54:51 pm
(https://cdn.safestbettingsites.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2018-Official-World-Cup-Russia-Bracket-Printable.png)

So Poland is in group H, so will be among the last games when they begin for the "group stage".

All groups are good, Poland's group looks like a kind draw.

I don't quite see Iceland advancing out of their group with Argentina, Croatia and Nigeria.  Argentina has elected a conservative government but whomever made that decision not to play Israel because of BDS bothers me.

That's about all I see now. Uruguay looks fairly well positioned in that group A.

The more things change, the more things stay the same... for some reason, oh, my friend told me Belgium has it all and Colombia have a lot of talent as well. We will see.

(https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://steemitimages.com/DQmTqp2wzr34xTc7tKcHk3sXMqG2RSnxUZjh7nWgpwoMuYS/2018-fifa-world-cup-team-brackets.jpg)
Another view of the teams.

2 teams (countries) advance out of each group.

So, you have group A for example, host Russia and Uruguay, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.  2 of those countries advance, 2 eliminated. Just in case, some don't know the rules. It would be considered a catastrophe for the host nation not to even make it out of the group stage.

Even we advanced when we hosted in 1994. A great world cup per most people except maybe the Brazil/Italy final and we played fine as a team.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Axeslinger on June 11, 2018, 05:15:28 pm
Good lord man!  You’re an American!  Soccer is for Eurotrash...you know all those sorry bastards who either lost, surrendered or were about to lose TWO world wars before we intervened.  Although this DOES explain why they love, Love,Love them some soccer!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 14, 2018, 01:51:43 pm
Enjoy, everyone!

(https://i.redd.it/rvl1yz942x311.jpg)
@Freya
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 14, 2018, 04:18:12 pm
And they are off, Russia leads Saudi Arabia 2-0 at halftime;

Though, I have problems with the Russian Government, "in general" I really don't their athletes, I say in general because, a whole lot of their Olympic athletes couldn't even compete because of the doping issue.

But most of this falls to the background....

Soccerway's new handydandy graphics:

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2018/06/14/world/world-cup/russia/saudi-arabia/2166062/?ICID=HP_MS_01_01

Soccerway general scoreboard:
https://us.soccerway.com

So, I use soccerway but ESPN or other sports outlets work for others.

Good start for Russia.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 14, 2018, 04:57:30 pm
Enjoy, everyone!

(https://i.redd.it/rvl1yz942x311.jpg)
@Freya

Again, anyone who has spent time at TOS is use to the detractors on soccer, so nobody should let this type of conversation be seen as anything new.  Just brush it off.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 14, 2018, 05:02:59 pm
Again, anyone who has spent time at TOS is use to the detractors on soccer, so nobody should let this type of conversation be seen as anything new.  Just brush it off.

Yep, that's what I do.  Fortunately there are others who are like me.

Man, did Saudi Arabia suck, or what?
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 14, 2018, 05:09:50 pm
Enjoy, everyone!

(https://i.redd.it/rvl1yz942x311.jpg)
@Freya

In the 1920s, there was a traveling Yiddish/Jewish soccer team, they were thought to be one of the best in the world or nearly, I'd have to look it all up again but it is worth remembering.  They even came to New York, furthermore, some Israeli soccer teams have been around since the 1920s or even before.

So, @Suppressed ,  good if you think all of this is funny, again, most American fans have seen this kind of poking fun at the game and it's all in good fun anyway, at least, I'll say so.

http://gottfriedfuchs.blogspot.com/2013/09/some-jewish-teams.html (http://gottfriedfuchs.blogspot.com/2013/09/some-jewish-teams.html)

That real good Jewish team, played matches around the world, even in NYC. Here are a few of the teams in old Europe:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7-AuXfUhpf4/UjoL6mYepNI/AAAAAAAARPw/qLKbhb6wElQ/s640/scan3p3_big.jpg)
 Kurenets 1920s (Belarus, USSR)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5v3OKjfjWTM/UjoPYLvOwzI/AAAAAAAARQI/TlNqBUhExjI/s1600/17020765291592566606.jpg)
 Grodzisk Mazovyet (Poland)

http://eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/kurenets.html (http://eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/kurenets.html)

Israeli league in current day Israel:
https://us.soccerway.com/national/israel/ligat-haal/20172018/championship-round/r41564/ (https://us.soccerway.com/national/israel/ligat-haal/20172018/championship-round/r41564/)

(https://secure.cache.images.core.optasports.com/soccer/teams/150x150/1204.png)
Established, 1906

https://us.soccerway.com/teams/israel/maccabi-tel-aviv-fc/1204/ (https://us.soccerway.com/teams/israel/maccabi-tel-aviv-fc/1204/)

So, carry on!




Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 14, 2018, 05:11:37 pm
Reminds me of the Tottenham Hotspurs fans who have the "Yid Army".  Ajax Amsterdam is another team that has a huge Jewish following.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 14, 2018, 05:24:56 pm
This remains the highlight of Saudi Arabian World Cup appearances, USA 1994, KSA defeated Belgium. This really is a great goal.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywAlQ_Ks_0k#)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 14, 2018, 06:11:23 pm
Germany v Mexico math up up intrigues me a bit.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 14, 2018, 06:13:51 pm
Saudis went through several coaches last year, before getting the Chilean coach, after they failed to qualify.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 14, 2018, 06:30:15 pm
So, @Suppressed ,  good if you think all of this is funny, again, most American fans have seen this kind of poking fun at the game and it's all in good fun anyway, at least, I'll say so.
@TomSea

The IT Crowd is a UK show.

I've been to professional soccer matches, and I tried to express a friendly wish to fans.  I'm trying to parse your reply, and I hope you're not taking my post badly.  Yes, all in good fun.


Quote
Moss: Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

Harry: What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?

Moss: Thing about Arsenal is, they always try and walk it in.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 14, 2018, 06:33:12 pm
So we only have 10 people where I work.
We work for a German company, and we have one of their employees over here for 6 months.
we know who he is rooting for.
Our General Manager's father retired to his homeland of Columbia.
Our production manager is from England.
One of our machinist is Croatian

What are the odds?

The English guy and I worked together before, in a company based out of England.
They let us take the time off during the World Cup 12 years ago, when England would have (Central time) day game to go watch it.
We went to watch one match in a Houston area sports bar, and I think I may have been the only American in the place, besides the waitstaff.
It was great. People with St. George's Cross flags painted on their faces, singing "Hail, Britannia".
A lot of beer sold that day.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: aligncare on June 14, 2018, 06:45:57 pm
My 91-year-old aunt is crazy about soccer. She’s been in America 50 years and doesn’t speak a word of English, and she’s disappointed Italy is out of it, but she loves her some soccer.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 14, 2018, 08:03:40 pm
Leading off...


(https://i.imgur.com/qBRC5s0.jpg)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 14, 2018, 09:04:50 pm
Join The Prediction Mini-League (if one feels so inclined):

We have 1 match out of the way, 2 tomorrow, if it is not against forum rules and one wants to try predictions,  I'd think one could still enter, just enter for free membership and then, key this code in:   544030  , they said its okay to invite people, the more the merrier. Now, nearly 40 are entered.

Website: https://worldcup.predictthefootball.com/minileague/join

Again, respectfully moderators, if this is not okay per forum rules,  please delete.

One game out of the way, so, however more are there, remember, scores are predicted as well. So Russia won, and most of the mini-league got that correct.

Minileague comprised mainly of the IORR, It's Only Rock and Roll Rolling Stones forum.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 14, 2018, 09:21:04 pm
Leading off...


(https://i.imgur.com/qBRC5s0.jpg)

I gotta go with Russia on this one.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 14, 2018, 09:32:34 pm
Watch the Football!

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM#)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 14, 2018, 09:38:50 pm
@TomSea

The IT Crowd is a UK show.
 

Best show, ever.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 15, 2018, 03:45:09 pm
GO IRAN!

 000hehehehe

Actually, the Iran Football Team has many of the Shah's backers as fans.... so, when we see these teams, for me, it's not about the government behind them because it's not.

Quote
For L.A.'s Iranian American community, the World Cup means much more than soccer games
By Melissa Etehad
Jun 15, 2018 |

For many, the World Cup gives people a chance to sideline politics and unite under the feel-good umbrella of sports diplomacy.

In the current geopolitical climate, fat chance of that.

Read more at: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-iranian-americans-world-cup-20180615-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-iranian-americans-world-cup-20180615-story.html)

(https://www-cache.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/IranSoccerJan11.jpg)

Every World Cup since 2002, I've checked in on this  Iran Persian football forum,  (http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?46-Persian-Football-Discussion-Community) (disclaimer should be made for strong language there that I have seen in the past)  for the most part, they are just normal people and as said earlier, I think a lot of them are supportive of the Shah and came here in the aftermath of the Iranian revolution.  So, the team gets the people's backing...

In 2006, the movie "Offside" was made by an Iranian film maker, it was about women disguising themselves as men to get in to see the Iranian national football team. Iran is presently playing Morocco.  0-0.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xF029bEi00#)

Oh, and Iran almost scored there, they look to be the better team.

They beat us at the World Cup in 1998.

Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 15, 2018, 03:47:49 pm
GO IRAN!

 000hehehehe

Actually, the Iran Football Team has many of the Shah's backers as fans.... so, when we see these teams, for me, it's not about the government behind them because it's not.

(https://www-cache.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/IranSoccerJan11.jpg)
 

Oh, and Iran almost scored there, they look to be the better team.

If that guy "supports the Shah", why is he wearing the flag of the Islamic Republic?
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 15, 2018, 04:00:05 pm
I just tossed the photo in, no significance.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 15, 2018, 04:00:55 pm
This is the thread where we pretend to care about the World Cup?
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 16, 2018, 08:18:17 pm
Iceland beats Argentina, 1-1.

WOO-HOO! WTG!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: berdie on June 17, 2018, 12:02:57 am
Iceland beats Argentina, 1-1.

WOO-HOO! WTG!



I don't get it...How can they tie and still beat Argentina?  @Suppressed

I admit I am a soccer illiterate and my consultant is unavailable. ^-^

Disclaimer...I usually root for the team with the cutest guys.I really don't see a whole team of lookers this year. :thud: :thud:
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 17, 2018, 12:02:58 am
Iceland beats Argentina, 1-1.

WOO-HOO! WTG!

Intentional pun? Playing on this from 2010:

(https://firdaussaari.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/untitled.jpg)

Or just saying that by accident, either is fine. That was some game.

Congrats Iceland, now, Croatia and Nigeria who played this afternoon are also in their group.

Nigeria looks, like they have in the past, pretty rough, meaning rough around the edges, not too fluid, they seem to have some sort of problem in the World Cup though they advanced last time in 2014.

Croatia will be a bear for any of those teams.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 17, 2018, 12:05:29 am
Iceland beats Argentina, 1-1.

WOO-HOO! WTG!

LOL, that's exactly what the Fox announcers said.

I predicted that the Argies wouldn't make it out of the group, they barely made it in, anyway.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 17, 2018, 12:24:06 am


I don't get it...How can they tie and still beat Argentina?  @Suppressed

I admit I am a soccer illiterate and my consultant is unavailable. ^-^

Disclaimer...I usually root for the team with the cutest guys.I really don't see a whole team of lookers this year. :thud: :thud:

@berdie

It was a joke... Iceland scored it's first ever World Cup goal, and didn't lose to Argentinia, so that's quite a win!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: truth_seeker on June 17, 2018, 12:32:17 am
"In the 20 tournaments held, 77 nations have appeared at least once. Of these, 12 have made it to the final match, and eight have won.[n 1] With five titles, Brazil is the most successful World Cup team and also the only nation to have participated in every World Cup finals tournament.[5] Italy and Germany have four titles. The other former champions are Uruguay and Argentina with two titles each, and England, France, and Spain with one each."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_finals
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: berdie on June 17, 2018, 01:28:32 am
@berdie

It was a joke... Iceland scored it's first ever World Cup goal, and didn't lose to Argentinia, so that's quite a win!




 888high58888 I get it...now!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 17, 2018, 03:51:11 pm
Los Mexicanos tiene un gol contra los Alemanes....los corrientes Campeons, Moscow esta yendo loco.

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2018/06/17/world/world-cup/germany/mexico/2166092/

(https://miseleccion.mx/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/logo-sitio.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/DFBEagle.svg/200px-DFBEagle.svg.png)

One heckuva game.  Halftime, Mexico 1 0 Germany

Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 17, 2018, 04:53:16 pm
Crap!  Meh-Hee-Co beat Germany.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 17, 2018, 05:12:01 pm
Crap!  Meh-Hee-Co beat Germany.

I think this is where one sees how much a player like Miroslav Klose, who I believe is their all time leading goal scorer,  helped Germany for all of those years, yes, I know, he was born in Poland. Maybe even Michael Ballack too. Germany was close to missing a closer.

That one attempt by Germany almost went in so it was tight, Mexico parked the bus a bit in the last 30 minutes. Great game.

Mexico deserves all the credit here, Ochoa doing a swell job as goalkeeper.

I see nothing like this in this in the upcoming Brazil Switzerland game, I say Brazil wins, maybe it'll only be a goal but it won't be this big shocker.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on June 17, 2018, 05:16:41 pm
Mexico has always had the talent to play with anybody, but they never could play well as a unit.  It might be different this time.  I think they can make the Semi-Finals, at least.

Your observation about Germany is the same as mine,  they don't have the finishers.   They are in some trouble.  I wouldn't be shocked if both Germany and Argentina don't make it out of the group.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 17, 2018, 05:40:30 pm
Rafael Marquez came in as a sub late in the game....

Quote
Kingpin Act designation

On 9 August 2017, it was reported that Márquez was among 22 people sanctioned under the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act (also known as the "Kingpin Act") by the United States Treasury Department for alleged ties to a drug trafficking organization allegedly headed by Raúl Flores Hernández,[65] a suspected drug trafficker with links to the Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco New Generation Cartel.[66] He was placed on a Specially Designated Nationals List by the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). Nine businesses, including a soccer school and charitable foundation, were linked to Márquez by the OFAC. All 22 people were accused of providing support to, or being under the control of Flores Hernández.[67]

According to the OFAC, Márquez conducted money laundering by acting as a strawperson for Flores Hernández and his criminal organization. They alleged that Márquez used businessmen Mauricio Heredia Horner and Marco Antonio Fregoso González to act for or on his behalf. Márquez's assets "that are under U.S. jurisdiction or are in the control of U.S. persons" would be frozen.[66][67] The Mexican Attorney General's Office said in a statement that Márquez came voluntarily to their offices to provide a statement that same day.[68]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_M%C3%A1rquez#Kingpin_Act_designation

I never noticed him too much versus some of the other Mexican players.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 17, 2018, 07:33:12 pm
Brazil 1 1 Switzerland 71st minute, amazing.

Switzerland tied it up in about the 56th minute, too bad we aren't there seeing how wide open this is getting....
(https://www.brfcs.com/mb/uploads/emoticons/default_goal.gif)

The Swiss managed to tie it up, 'the times they are a changing' in World soccer, heck, I don't even know if any of the traditional powers, countries that have already won the World Cup will be in the finals this time.

Parity...

Another giant having problems.



Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 12:04:53 am
The games go on, here is an interesting historic article, not directly related to the World Cup but to  Spartak Moscow,  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Spartak_Moscow)

Quote
The Starostin brothers After 75 years, Russia has finally declassified a case against four soccer legends accused of plotting to assassinate Stalin
Kommersant
15:10, 21 june 2018

On June 20, the newspaper Kommersant published an article revealing new details about the criminal case against Nikolai Starostin, the founder of the Spartak Moscow soccer club, and his three brothers, who played on the team — all of whom were arrested in 1942. The Federal Security Service finally declassified the first two volumes of the case in June 2018, making the documents available to researchers. The rest of the case materials will be unsealed next year. The Soviet authorities tried to convict these brothers — now legends of Russian soccer — of plotting to assassinate Joseph Stalin at the 1937 May Day Parade in a series of terrorist attacks.

In 1935, Nikolai Starostin founded the “Spartak” sports society, modeled on the “Pischevik” soccer club. A year later, the first Soviet soccer championship took place, and Spartak instantly became one of the most popular teams in the country, catapulting its players to stardom.

In July 1937, Stalin summon Alexander Kosarev (the head of the Soviet All-Union Leninist Young Communist League) and asked for an update on the fight against “enemies of the people” within the Komsomol. Kosarev explained that his organization didn’t have any enemies of the people, but Stalin didn't like that answer, and a few days later he secretly ordered a “repression operation” against “anti-Soviet elements.” Police immediately started investigating the Staristin brothers, who were among Kosarev's closest friends.

Continued at: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/06/21/the-starostin-brothers
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 01:10:05 am
Switzerland vs. Serbia play tomorrow,  AP via Fox runs this story, some comment on what I think could be the outcome after:

Quote
Switzerland, Serbia coaches don't want to talk about Kosovo
By MIKE CORDER | Associated Press

KALININGRAD, Russia –  The coaches of Serbia and Switzerland only want to talk about football, not about an entrenched political dispute casting a shadow over their teams' World Cup showdown in Russia.

Tensions have been building in Serbia before the Group E match Friday in Kaliningrad. Not between Swiss and Serbian fans, but between Albanian and Serbian supporters.

That is because several players in the Swiss squad have Kosovo Albanian roots, including midfielder Xherdan Shaqiri who was born in Kosovo, the former Serbian province that declared independence in 2008. Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo's independence and relations between the two countries remain tense.

Read more at: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/21/switzerland-serbia-coaches-dont-want-to-talk-about-kosovo.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/21/switzerland-serbia-coaches-dont-want-to-talk-about-kosovo.html)

This is group E: https://us.soccerway.com/international/world/world-cup/2018-russia/group-stage/group-e/g8874/ (https://us.soccerway.com/international/world/world-cup/2018-russia/group-stage/group-e/g8874/)

Tomorrow, early game Brazil vs. Costa Rica, if the Ticos (Costa Rica) lose tomorrow, they can go home basically.

But back to the late match, Switzerland vs. Serbia, Russia (Kalingrad) should be a home game to Serbia or close to it.

Standings right now:

1. Serbia 1 win, 3 points.
2. and 3. Brazil and Switzerland, 1 draw, 1 point.
4. Costa Rica, 1 loss, 0 points.

I think I will go with Serbia to win. Serbia seems to make most of the recent World Cups, well, they were at South Africa I believe.  Should be close, 1-0. Switzerland appears to actually be a very good team.

Brazil should take care of Costa Rica but I'd love to see CR get a result.

Nigeria vs. Iceland, the middle game tomorrow, you've got to think Iceland has an edge. They just keep on going and going. That would eliminate Nigeria but who knows? Argentina losing really opens the door for the Super Eagles-Nigeria to redeem themselves. Iceland, if people do not know, the country of 400,000 people has put together a strong team.










Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 01:37:38 am
Quote
After 40-Year Ban, Iranian Women Allowed To Watch World Cup With Men
Female soccer fans packed a stadium in Tehran on Wednesday after the de facto ban on their attendance was lifted.
By Nina Golgowski

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5b2bfdc0200000f202b95185.jpeg?cache=qz9h3pjn0n&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
Women are seen attending a public World Cup viewing event inside Tehran’s Azadi Stadium on Wednesday. It was the first time in nearly 40 years that women were allowed inside.

More with pictures: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iranian-women-allowed-to-watch-world-cup_us_5b2be9efe4b00295f15a87f9 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iranian-women-allowed-to-watch-world-cup_us_5b2be9efe4b00295f15a87f9)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 11:46:13 am
It has some charm.
Quote
Saransk swells from building boom of World Cup proportions
By BRETT MARTEL | Associated Press

(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/world/2018/06/22/saransk-swells-from-building-boom-world-cup-proportions/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.png/931/524/1529664739799.png?ve=1&tl=1)

SARANSK, Russia –  Valerie Fayzullina expresses a hopeful sense of wonder as she stands near a wire sculpture of a soccer player, in the shadows of eight new apartment high-rises and a freshly finished stadium that will host stars as big as Cristiano Ronaldo this month.

Like many Saransk residents, Fayzullina was incredulous upon learning the World Cup was coming to her quiet, obscure community 400 miles east of Moscow in rolling hills where white puffs of pollen from poplar trees create the illusion of summer snow flurries.

More: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/22/saransk-swells-from-building-boom-world-cup-proportions.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/22/saransk-swells-from-building-boom-world-cup-proportions.html)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 22, 2018, 01:29:46 pm
It's been interesting, so far.
Germany, Columbia, and Argentina haven't played as well as I thought they would.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on June 23, 2018, 01:43:55 am
(https://i.imgur.com/If4Z7gM.jpg)



At least Rakitic wasn't a wimp when Otamendi earned his orange card!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 28, 2018, 02:05:54 pm
Sometimes, almost circumstances beyond your control see you eliminated in the World Cup,

The referees helped Brazil in 2014 at Croatia's expense, maybe Croatia should have bounced back better. Then, Croatia had some sort of problem at the 2016 Euro Cup with the eventual champs, Portugal (yes, I will generally be cheering Croatia)... So Senegal got that fluke goal against Poland to win, Poland eliminated in game 2.... but I think Poland might get a result here, and though, I'd like to see Senegal go through, they are big underdogs to Colombia.

Poland already looks much better, moving, a bit fluid.

Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 28, 2018, 02:11:45 pm
Japan really started playing soccer from scratch just a few decades ago....

(https://btmedia.whsmith.co.uk/pws/client/images/catalogue/products/9780/22/4062060/xlarge/9780224062060_1.jpg)

Some Brazilian stars helped get their J-League off the ground, now, Japan does pretty well in soccer/football.  Japan may play well today but already advancing, the pressure is not on them.

Japan played great versus Senegal coming back from being a goal down 2 times. 

Yeah, we may see Poland get 3 out of this....and their match versus Senegal really should have been a draw imho..... terrible fluke goal... that guy coming on....World Cup is also hard breaks, at least, they are trying to fix the number of bad calls, the World Cup has had.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on June 28, 2018, 09:26:19 pm
(https://www.brfcs.com/mb/uploads/monthly_2018_06/ColombiaJPEGGGGGGG!.jpg.0a071df4f232107f7a1bed05ea0c19a8.jpg)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 02, 2018, 12:59:44 am
In 2014, it upset me even if I am not a Russia fan that at the Brazil World Cup, some idiot in the crowd was shining a laser into the Russian goalkeeper's eyes. Akinfeev, well, he was the big hero today at the World Cup, so I am happy for him.

Maybe everyone knows, Russia very unexpectedly defeated Spain today in a penalty shootout.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoXTNrxtHUM#)

Whatever happened above, the other team scored. It looks like it would not have really affected him too much there though, it could have confused him.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 04, 2018, 01:09:13 pm
Casual soccer games in Russia... this is the way to do it...

(https://themoscowtimes.com/static/uploads/publications/2018/7/4/d0e6fd4080b04f21aaab2d46d7e1eee3.jpg)

https://themoscowtimes.com/photogalleries/russian-football-out-of-the-spotlight-62104
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 08, 2018, 03:39:41 pm
England going nuts over reaching the Semi-Finals of the World Cup.... so much news, that was fantastic by Belgium as well to defeat perpetual favorites Brazil on Friday.

There's footage out where a man jumps off a double-decker bus onto a bus stop shelter and he goes through the roof. I hope they don't get too unruly.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6722192/england-fan-london-bus-stop-world-cup-2018-celebrations/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6722192/england-fan-london-bus-stop-world-cup-2018-celebrations/)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6718337/england-vs-sweden-world-cup-2018-party-semi-final-28-years/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6718337/england-vs-sweden-world-cup-2018-party-semi-final-28-years/)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/bus-jump-e1530998255763.png?strip=all&quality=100&w=960)

He jumps right through the roof, it knocked a woman down but she looked mostly okay.  Lots of drunkenness and so on.  There's always some idiots around.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Gefn on July 08, 2018, 03:46:26 pm
I’m rooting for England
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 08, 2018, 03:49:38 pm
Belgium too, showing they might win it all.

"Belgium Red Devils", nickname.

(https://orig00.deviantart.net/b67b/f/2014/167/f/6/belgium_in_rio___go_red_devils__by_spritegirl-d7mmpsz.png)

(http://worldcupplayoffsbracket.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/belgium.jpg)

Final 4,

Belgium vs. France, Tuesday

England vs. Croatia, Wednesday

Not one team I dislike.

Croatian fans have acted very rowdy in the past as well and have been punished for their acts. But the fans are not the team. I hope everyone behaves.

Belgium really look like a team of destiny, I think they've got it to win it all. It'd be great for soccer/football.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Suppressed on July 09, 2018, 03:31:49 pm
I’m rooting for England

Same here!

(https://i.imgur.com/ofrU3wv.jpg)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 09, 2018, 03:34:23 pm
I’m rooting for England

Hrvatska!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 09, 2018, 03:59:50 pm
None of these teams should be looking beyond the semi-final. I think France is the "favorite" of the 4 teams....as I said, this is one final 4 where I like all of the teams. I know some don't like the over-the-top boisterousness of the British/English press. I've watched closely every World Cup since '86, so that is about 9 World Cups ago and that is a lot of English failure.  That said, it would be great for Belgium to do well. And here, we are always hearing how Europe is going down the tubes, not with soccer.

When we hosted in 1994, France nor England even made that World Cup which is pretty interesting, seeing how we are somewhat or very connected to both of those teams, especially, obviously, historically.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dc/1994_FIFA_World_Cup.svg/150px-1994_FIFA_World_Cup.svg.png)

When the World Cup comes to the USA (and Canada and Mexico as we all will host it),  48 teams will be there. It's starting to get very big. 32 are there this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 09, 2018, 04:06:26 pm
None of these teams should be looking beyond the semi-final. I think France is the "favorite" of the 4 teams....as I said, this is one final 4 where I like all of the teams. I know some don't like the over-the-top boisterousness of the British/English press. I've watched closely every World Cup since '86, so that is about 9 World Cups ago and that is a lot of English failure.  That said, it would be great for Belgium to do well. And here, we are always hearing how Europe is going down the tubes, not with soccer.
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup)

Note that England, France and Belgium all benefit from their colonialist pasts in terms of who now comprises their teams.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 09, 2018, 04:14:13 pm
That's a good point. Italy largely never took from a colonial past either, I guess Mario Balotelli's parents even came as refugees as Italy has plenty of.  Even the German team this time, were mainly German, save for people like Ozil and Boateng and they were not really from a colonial past either.

Italy play too much gamesmanship and I despise that style. IMHO.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 09, 2018, 04:17:31 pm
That's a good point. Italy largely never took from a colonial past either, 

Not that Mussolini didn't try.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 09, 2018, 04:19:59 pm
That's a good point. Italy largely never took from a colonial past either, I guess Mario Balotelli's parents even came as refugees as Italy has plenty of.  Even the German team this time, were mainly German, save for people like Ozil and Boateng and they were not really from a colonial past either.

Italy play too much gamesmanship and I despise that style. IMHO.

I think some NFL scouts look at Lukaku and think he'd be a heckuva running back.   Size, speed, nimble feet. 
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 09, 2018, 05:19:30 pm
Not that Mussolini didn't try.

Italy "poached" players in Uruguay and Argentina, that is a bit different than taking from former colonized areas if that is the reference.

Even now, some Americans have an opportunity to play for the country of their parents and grandparents like that Italian fellow from NJ/NY a few years ago. I forget his name. A Pole could do it, maybe Alexei Lalas could have played for Greece.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 09, 2018, 05:35:57 pm
Italy "poached" players in Uruguay and Argentina, that is a bit different than taking from former colonized areas if that is the reference.

 
Mussolini grabbed the North African countries of Libya and Ethiopia, basically wanted all the states on the Mediterranean.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 09, 2018, 09:26:42 pm
But Italy basically never used anyone from those colonial lands, I think that's the point. There was some Italian surname (they settled those parts yes) who they were looking at.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 10, 2018, 08:23:56 pm
I think we have seen the Champion and it was the winner today....no matter how much I might not like saying that....I doubt if England or Croatia will do better but, after all, that's why they play the game.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 11, 2018, 10:00:27 pm
I am happy for Croatia, it would be great for football if they went on to win it all.... and now, I think they maybe can.... France dominated a very good Belgian squad.

The country of John Kasich's and many others ancestors did very well today....

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/ognjen-vukojevic-croatian-football-federation-domagoj-vida-croatia-russia-ukraine-a8438691.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/ognjen-vukojevic-croatian-football-federation-domagoj-vida-croatia-russia-ukraine-a8438691.html)    If people hadn't heard about it, a Croatian player and assistant manager got into a bit of hot water, no, they shouldn't have done this, just like the Swiss players should not have done that double eagle sign playing against Serbia. Leave politics out of it, if possible. Amazing game.

Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 11, 2018, 10:08:41 pm
I am happy for Croatia, it would be great for football if they went on to win it all.... 

 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh2jZgFUYAAQMpl.jpg)

President Trump with the Croatian President.    Suck it, Macron!
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 11, 2018, 10:16:40 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh2jZgFUYAAQMpl.jpg)

President Trump with the Croatian President.    Suck it, Macron!

The way you get on Ukraine, you can easily get on Croatia for the same reasons.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 11, 2018, 10:16:56 pm
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABXYwAq_Ao#)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Gefn on July 11, 2018, 10:37:15 pm
I made a poll for the World Cup in polls.

Guest are welcome.

You can tell it’s mine, there’s a cat playing scoccer

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=324109.new;topicseen#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=324109.new;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 12, 2018, 07:18:21 am
Checking some "soccerway.com" stats for head to head matches, between England and Croatia,

And yes! Historical matches are just that, in the past, still interesting to look at.

They've met 8 times now, Croatia winning 3 times after today's game, England winning 4 times, 1 draw. Of course, the World Cup, Euro Cup and Qualifiers is where it really matters.

https://us.soccerway.com/teams/comparison/?team_ids%5B%5D=514&team_ids%5B%5D=774

Croatia vs. France, they've met 5 times,  Croatia has never defeated France, 3 losses, 2 draws:

https://us.soccerway.com/teams/comparison/?team_ids%5B%5D=514&team_ids%5B%5D=944

Croatia, England and Spain are in the UEFA "Nations League", I had never heard of this. Croatia and England will play 2 times this year, in October and November. I wonder if this will be the men's team. I had NOT previously heard of this Nations League.

https://us.soccerway.com/international/europe/uefa-nations-league/20182019/league-a/group-4/g12057/

Sounds like something new.

Also, if one looks up the information, the Russian manager, apparently, a sharp manager was previously at Legia Warsaw but only for a short time. That was interesting.

Stanislaw Cherchesov, 2015-2016, check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legia_Warsaw#Coaches_and_managers

Of all things, the current manager at Legia Warsaw is a Croatian:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legia_Warsaw#Coaches_and_managers

Pretty interesting, of course, I believe Legia is basically the top team in Poland, kind of the way, some "could" say Manchester United has been the top team in England and the way, one could say Rangers and Celtic have generally been tops in Scotland.

@dfwgator

One might find the above of interest.

In 1994, of course, Bora Mitulinovic was our manager, a Serbian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bora_Milutinovi%C4%87

Bora is/was a noted Anglophile, like many of us, listening to British rock music, it kind of influenced him. That's a bit of an interesting side note. Sometimes, a lot of us, just tend to cheer for England. I'm certainly glad Croatia won. I've watched the England team in the World Cup since 1986 when they had Gary Lineker, Peter Shilton I believe was the goalkeeper. Yes, now, it's a different makeup.

Very well done Croatia, that 2nd goal was off of the players left foot, I doubt that was his main foot, it was just very crafty and resourceful. How great it would be for soccer/football to see Croatia win it.

France lost the last Euro to Portugal.... they won't want to be losing again.



Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 14, 2018, 03:36:53 am
3rd place game, Belgium England, Saturday morning in most of the USA

Championship game, Sunday morning, Croatia France.....

Just posting this note, check your local listings.... so, you know it's fairly early tomorrow and Sunday. Tomorrow's match begins about 9 AM CST

Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 14, 2018, 03:48:31 am
(https://themoscowtimes.com/static/uploads/publications/2018/7/11/064fdf61f53f488d9384a6c2d112cf64.jpg)

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/conspiracy-theories-make-the-world-cup-go-round-62210

Just some humor, I did hear someone mention something about doping, okay, you can watch the Russia/Croatia game, you can see the Croatians got winded, late in the match... as for Russia? Someone said they were running around like they could go on and on. I don't know, I hope that is not so... because they played very, very well.

So FIFA said Russia was not having any kinds of problems per doping back during the end of June: https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/conspiracy-theories-make-the-world-cup-go-round-62210

It's just that, we shouldn't forget, Russia had lots of problems with the winter Olympics and summer ones too, having some medals taken away. On the other hand, I doubt if they doped because FIFA has a fairly good drug testing regimen.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 14, 2018, 04:04:59 am
Slivovitz.

(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-137288250956011/maraska-slivovitz-27.jpg)

What the Croatians and others in the Former Yugoslavia drink. A bit too strong for me. I have tried it.

Also, everyone has heard of the dog breed, Dalmatians. That's a region of Croatia,  Dalmatia.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2018, 03:27:33 am
I saw this on Fox earlier, Mattis is actually in the Balkans and he had a Croatia scarf, of course, the Croatian flag has that red checker board pattern in it. He is in Zagreb, Croatia here.

(https://1434697713.rsc.cdn77.org/assets/uploads/2018/07/13/Word-Russia-goes-unspoken-as-Mattis-meets-Balkan-defence-chiefs.jpg)

I do like France too, they have already won the World Cup, it might be nice to spread it around... if possible.  It should be a very exciting match.

It just dawned on me, July 14th, this will be Bastille Day in France too, their 4th of July.....  edit on, the 14th of July is Bastille day.

----------

Match On,

France scores in 20th minute, our announcer, Taylor Twellman(?) said the Frenchman, Griezman,  took a dive, France converts Free Kick... I wonder why that wasn't reviewed? Anyway...30th minute, Croatia draws it up, 1-1.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: Gefn on July 15, 2018, 05:39:08 pm
It’s France! 4-2
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2018, 08:23:52 pm
Congrats to France, at the 2006 World Cup, I would have given an arm and a leg for France to defeat Italy.... okay, exagg but,

Croatia were a bit hard done in that game, even the BBC seems to infer that....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44754965 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44754965)

But you know what? At the same time, it's probably true to say no country in the history of the World Cup has been as hard done as France, say vs. Germany in 1982,


! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo#)

Germany has been a classy team since 2006, since the 2000s let's say but those teams, Germany, Italy and I'll even include Argentina and Brazil, I just think they won ugly and I think in the future, we won't see as much as them, we are in a different era.

As They Say!

(https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/04/11/71/500_F_204117113_5fW7vSmbRJEgRUc9qIsxZpF2oPs8vpEr.jpg)

And congrats to Croatia for a very good match too, I think the breaks went against them.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2018, 08:24:44 pm
(https://img1.picmix.com/output/pic/normal/4/8/5/8/4878584_311d1.gif)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2018, 11:41:12 pm
Exciting game.  Wrong outcome.

Croatia had an outstanding tournament.  Good for them.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2018, 02:19:17 am
The Euro (Cup) is in 2 years, 2020... not that long of a wait. So, we really have a major tournament every 2 years.

Most people will say the World Cup is more prestigious, it probably is but the Euro is a "major trophy" as well. Also, the more and more, Europe wins the World Cup, the better the Euro Cup looks. I don't know when South America will bounce back. So the Euro is a lot like the World Cup, sometimes, imho, the quality of play is even better. The World Cup really needed that VAR because at times, the World Cup, all the same was farcical, some calls were so bad.

I know, it's difficult for any team to reach that summit but not quite make the top.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2018, 02:20:58 am
I liked the old French teams, this one? Well, they have some celebrating (and looting and tear gas being fired) in Paris tonight.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/15/23/4E4B213500000578-5956427-For_all_the_crazy_antics_and_some_revelers_who_got_out_of_contro-a-129_1531695364149.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5956427/French-fans-home-abroad-erupt-celebration-sides-second-World-Cup-triumph.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5956427/French-fans-home-abroad-erupt-celebration-sides-second-World-Cup-triumph.html)
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 16, 2018, 02:23:07 am
Right after the '06 World Cup, maybe not the day after the final but the weeks after, I was able to score some nice World Cup merchandise at deep discounts.  If one is interested, one might check out some of the sporting good stores like Dick's and Champs.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 16, 2018, 02:40:20 am
The Euro (Cup) is in 2 years, 2020... not that long of a wait. So, we really have a major tournament every 2 years.

 

The Copa America will be going on at the same time,  it's not finalized yet, but they are going to make it a combined CONCACAF/COMNEBOL tournament, just like the 2016 Centenario tournament.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 17, 2018, 03:58:23 pm
(http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/file/show//Images/Images.New/Places/Zagreb/Zagreb%20football/Zagreb%20celebration.%20Photo%20EPA%20EFE.jpg)

(http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/file/show//Images/Images.New/Places/Zagreb/Zagreb%20football/Zagreb%20celebration%203.%20Photo%20EPA%20EFE.jpg)

More: http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croats-spectacularly-welcoming-national-team-players-07-16-2018 (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croats-spectacularly-welcoming-national-team-players-07-16-2018)

The above website also has an article on a Nationalist Singer of Croatia,

No matter how small a minority, the Nationalists and Neo-Nazi types are in Croatia, they definitely are there without a doubt.


Quote
(link corrected)
NEWS 17 Jul 18
Nationalist Singer Joins Croatia Players at Homecoming Party
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/controversial-right-wring-singer-a-special-guest-of-croatian-footballers-07-17-2018 (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/controversial-right-wring-singer-a-special-guest-of-croatian-footballers-07-17-2018)

This happened a few years ago:

Quote
Croatian fans form human swastika during soccer match
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Croation-fans-form-swastika-during-soccer-match (https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Croation-fans-form-swastika-during-soccer-match)

That will be a knock on Croatia, they came through a very harsh war as well, the early '90s and Vukovar.

We have many fine Croatian-Americans who of course, would have nothing to do with such actions as above.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 04:00:50 pm
I take it there were no riots in Croatia after the game?
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: musiclady on July 17, 2018, 04:10:01 pm
I take it there were no riots in Croatia after the game?

Three of our kids were in Croatia when they won the semi-finals, and there was only happiness and cherry brandy.  ^-^
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 04:11:56 pm
Three of our kids were in Croatia when they won the semi-finals, and there was only happiness and cherry brandy.  ^-^

Croatia is on our "must visit" list.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 04:14:49 pm
Three of our kids were in Croatia when they won the semi-finals, and there was only happiness and cherry brandy.  ^-^

I noticed during the celebrations in Paris, there were relatively few females in the crowd.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: musiclady on July 17, 2018, 05:58:29 pm
Croatia is on our "must visit" list.

Our son is living in the region (thus the sibling visit), and everyone says it’s absolutely gorgeous!

Lord willing, we’ll see for ourselves next spring!  ^-^
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 18, 2018, 04:02:31 am
A lot of people think this or similar, it's odd, that the head-of-state of Venezuela, a known far-left and gangster state to tell one the truth, said this though.

Quote
'Africa real' World Cup winners, says Venezuela's Maduro

Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro believes Africa and not France are the true winners of the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

France beat Croatia 4-2 in Sunday's final in Moscow, but with a team featuring number players of African heritage.

"The French team seems like the African team, in reality Africa won, the African immigrants who arrived in France," Maduro said at an event to celebrate police day in Venezuela on Monday.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/africa-real-world-cup-winners-says-venezuelas-maduro/ar-AAAcMqD (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/africa-real-world-cup-winners-says-venezuelas-maduro/ar-AAAcMqD)

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/26/43926411_4a7b5fd6ed.jpg)

Those players though of African descent, actually seem like some pretty decent folk.

Prior to this, the last 3 champs were Germany, Spain and Italy.

France has a huge talent pool and soccer camp system.... even with that, they have had some weak tournaments.

Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 18, 2018, 04:13:20 am
I take it there were no riots in Croatia after the game?

They lost. I take it there were no Neo-Nazis in Paris.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: dfwgator on July 18, 2018, 04:31:34 am
They lost. I take it there were no Neo-Nazis in Paris.

Well aren't you supposed to riot when you lose?
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 18, 2018, 01:52:40 pm
I heard France's style called "anti-football" at times, it wasn't like that all the time. Not in the final.

People are confronted with something new, they study up on it. I think teams can prepare for it in the future.  They will be good, I"m not sure if it will be an extended time of dominance. They deserve all of the credit for their performances.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 22, 2018, 07:02:51 pm
Max Boot on the world cup, 8 days ago:
Quote
https://www.dentonrc.com/opinion/columnists/max-boot-i-hardly-questioned-american-exceptionalism-soccer-changed-that/article_820fa2dc-5aa6-590d-b0a2-93aab49c1ba4.html (https://www.dentonrc.com/opinion/columnists/max-boot-i-hardly-questioned-american-exceptionalism-soccer-changed-that/article_820fa2dc-5aa6-590d-b0a2-93aab49c1ba4.html)

Max Boot: I hardly questioned American exceptionalism. Soccer changed that.
Max Boot Syndicated Columnist

Not much there if I may say so, largely idle talk.

But the right name to comment on soccer, he played it even per the article.... so, fine.



Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on July 23, 2018, 03:11:50 pm
Quote
Mesut Ozil international retirement statement in full
Mark Jones

Mesut Ozil has released a remarkable 2,320-word statement confirming his retirement from international football and slamming the "racism and disrespect" he has suffered.

The Arsenal star was criticised for meeting with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan before the World Cup, and then slammed for his performances in Russia as Germany went out in the group stages.

The 29-year-old released the statement in three separate tweets across the day on Sunday, and said that he couldn't bring himself to wear the Germany shirt any more.

Read more at: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mesut-ozil-international-retirement-statement-12963681 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mesut-ozil-international-retirement-statement-12963681)

Major star, important part of the German team that won the World and Euro Cup.

He was in a photo with Erdogan.

Ozil was in a picture with Erdogan, Alex Ovechkin of the Washington Capitals has said he supports Putin, it's sort of the same kind of deal. We are not saying, Ovechkin should step down or is he facing serious criticism? I did watch this situation developing with Ozil.

https://www.turkishminute.com/2018/07/23/german-footballer-ozil-quits-national-team-citing-discrimination/ (https://www.turkishminute.com/2018/07/23/german-footballer-ozil-quits-national-team-citing-discrimination/)

I'm not sure this is the most recent photo, I saw others but I think the hubbub is over a recent meeting between Erdogan and Ozil.

(https://static.pulse.com.gh/img/football/origs8591496/4650489283-w980-h640/c9589511caa224b695fca311587478f5a99b021f.jpg)

Players will be players.

(https://bilder.bild.de/fotos/aaa-oezil-dfb_200864877-1532351324-56403302/Bild/1.bild.jpg)
- bild.de

FTR update, for the record, the German Football Federation rejects charges of racism that Ozil brought to their attention.  Seemed like a nice enough fellow. Too bad. Research for more on this story.
Title: Re: World Cup Soccer Discussion Thread (updated)
Post by: TomSea on September 25, 2018, 02:12:57 pm
Anyone, we can set this as a "non-sticky" now. If no moderator does this, perhaps I will in 24 hours time if that is okay. I don't want to do things I'm not necessarily authorized to do.

Thanks for the fine thread.

4-3-2-1  Removing the sticky.