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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on June 29, 2020, 12:22:40 am
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....hmmm.... a GOP "operative" who asked to remain anonymous ....
At any rate, Trump's tweets and his rallies have always "fueled" his presidency and given him his strength to rebut the left. COVID and BLM/Antifa are making quite a damper on that strength.
Rough polling stretch has GOP operatives asking: Could Trump drop out?
A stretch of lackluster polling for President Trump has some Republican operatives nervous about the president’s reelection prospects in November – with some even floating the possibility for the first time that Trump could drop out if his poll numbers don’t rebound....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out)
“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,†one GOP operative who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News.
Trump’s poll numbers in recent weeks have trended downward amid criticism over his administration’s handling of the coronavirus epidemic and the White House response to the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd in late May while in Minneapolis police custody.
A recent Fox News poll had the president trailing Democrat Joe Biden by 12 points, while a RealClearPolitics average of polls had Trump down almost 10 points to the former vice president. Biden also was leading Trump in many key battleground states, and polls from Republican strongholds such as Texas had Trump and Biden neck-and-neck...............
....“I’ve heard the talk but I doubt it’s true,†another said. “My bet is, he drops if he believes there’s no way to win.......
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out)
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....hmmm.... a GOP "operative" who asked to remain anonymous ....
At any rate, Trump's tweets and his rallies have always "fueled" his presidency and given him his strength to rebut the left. COVID and BLM/Antifa are making quite a damper on that strength.
Rough polling stretch has GOP operatives asking: Could Trump drop out?
A stretch of lackluster polling for President Trump has some Republican operatives nervous about the president’s reelection prospects in November – with some even floating the possibility for the first time that Trump could drop out if his poll numbers don’t rebound....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out)
“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,†one GOP operative who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News.
Trump’s poll numbers in recent weeks have trended downward amid criticism over his administration’s handling of the coronavirus epidemic and the White House response to the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd in late May while in Minneapolis police custody.
A recent Fox News poll had the president trailing Democrat Joe Biden by 12 points, while a RealClearPolitics average of polls had Trump down almost 10 points to the former vice president. Biden also was leading Trump in many key battleground states, and polls from Republican strongholds such as Texas had Trump and Biden neck-and-neck...............
....“I’ve heard the talk but I doubt it’s true,†another said. “My bet is, he drops if he believes there’s no way to win.......
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out)
God's honest truth, I thought he'd drop out in 2016. I probably posted so on this very forum.
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After 2016, I doubt there's any way to convince him that he can't win. Remember, Hillary was leading by a similar margin at this time.
But Hillary Clinton was arguably an even more flawed and hated candidate than Biden. The only people who truly hate Joe Biden are on the far left, and even they hate Trump even more. I mean, do you know anyone who would crawl over broken glass to ensure that Joe Biden never sees the Oval Office? I don't.
The only way I could see Trump dropping out as if he saw it as a way to preserve his dignity and image—and that would require him to frame the 2020 election in a way that would make it appear as if it were rigged against him. Vote by mail might give him that window.
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After 2016, I doubt there's any way to convince him that he can't win. Remember, Hillary was leading by a similar margin at this time.
Exactly. Since 2016, Presidential Polls have lost all credibility.
Doesn't matter what the polls say. This article is BS, in my opinion.
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Yesterday, I would have said they were crazy.
And then came Liz Cheney's Tweet, and then I suddenly realized, that it is a possibility you could see a bunch of Congressional Republicans basically begin telling Trump they will not support his re-election.
Especially if the perception is that his poll numbers are tanking, and perception is reality.
Hope I'm wrong. But there is something in the air.
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Yesterday, I would have said they were crazy.
And then came Liz Cheney's Tweet, and then I suddenly realized, that it is a possibility you could see a bunch of Congressional Republicans basically begin telling Trump they will not support his re-election.
Congressional republicans came through on the impeachment vote .... more to save their own seat than the President's. But by and large the Ryan wing has always been counting the hours until they could rise again in opposition to the President. I'm surprised it's taken them so long.
I think all of this is proof that House and Senate republicans do not want to govern. They surely know if the President were to drop out the election would be lost at that very moment as would republican momentum and requisite turnout for congressional victories.
(Many) Republicans want the perks of office and a microphone to bitch and whine ... without any responsibility for agenda and outcome. This, IMO, has always been the Republicans' Achilles' heel --- and why they simply will not rally around an issue or a candidate as the demonrats do.
Republicans really do not want to win. This is the fundamental dichotomy between Democrats and Republicans; democrats will do anything for victory, republicans will sabotage it.
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... And, no. Donald Trump is not dropping out. :laugh:
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This is total BS, someone’s wishful thinking. They are trying to demoralize us just like they did before Trump was elected. The black conservatives on YouTube and Facebook are excited by the support they are seeing in the black community. #Walkaway is seeing droves of Democrats who are sick of the Communist takeover of their party. Buck up and keep working towards the goal. Damn the torpedos. Full speed ahead.
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Congressional republicans came through on the impeachment vote ....
That was when Trump's poll numbers were good and the economy was humming along.
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The odds of this happening are hovering around %0.00000000000000000001. But hey, there's a chance.
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That was when Trump's poll numbers were good and the economy was humming along.
The GOP took a bludgeoning in suburbs in the midterms of 2018 when the economy was humming and unemployment was at record lows. The three states that put Trump in the White House (Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan) flipped decisively for the Dems. White women and college educated whites abandoned the GOP and minorities had record turnout for the Democrats--during a midterm election when most usually don't show up.
So, what caused this outcome? After all, this was pre-impeachment, pre-pandemic, pre-riots, etc and the economy was strong. Why did voters repudiate the GOP in 2018?
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The GOP took a bludgeoning in suburbs in the midterms of 2018 when the economy was humming and unemployment was at record lows. The three states that put Trump in the White House (Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan) flipped decisively for the Dems. White women and college educated whites abandoned the GOP and minorities had record turnout for the Democrats--during a midterm election when most usually don't show up.
So, what caused this outcome? After all, this was pre-impeachment, pre-pandemic, pre-riots, etc and the economy was strong. Why did voters repudiate the GOP in 2018?
Also, poor Republican candidates.
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The odds of this happening are hovering around %0.00000000000000000001. But hey, there's a chance.
If he keeps on accidentally (giving him the benefit of the doubt) retweeting videos of people saying "White Power!" then he won't have a choice. He will be forced out as the party abandons him.
Just one self-inflicted wound after another. I foolishly thought Trump may have turned the corner at the SOTU but he steadfastly refuses to exhibit the discipline and promote the message necessary to grow his base.
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Also, poor Republican candidates.
Weren't they pretty much the same candidates that captured the House in 2016?
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After 2016, I doubt there's any way to convince him that he can't win. Remember, Hillary was leading by a similar margin at this time.
But Hillary Clinton was arguably an even more flawed and hated candidate than Biden. The only people who truly hate Joe Biden are on the far left, and even they hate Trump even more. I mean, do you know anyone who would crawl over broken glass to ensure that Joe Biden never sees the Oval Office? I don't.
The only way I could see Trump dropping out as if he saw it as a way to preserve his dignity and image—and that would require him to frame the 2020 election in a way that would make it appear as if it were rigged against him. Vote by mail might give him that window.
Actually, let me put it this way.
If Biden is elected, he'll get a year or so of basic criminal lucre out of the office, sign a few wish list Dem Bills (if they keep enough of the House and get the Senate), and be outta there.
Whoever is next in line will be who really gets elected. He's a placeholder.
"You have to pass it to find out what's in it. " would apply to the White House, too.
There is no one on the Left I would want to see in that office again in my lifetime.
Ironically, I who did not want to elect him, do not want him to lose this time. If he drops out, who will replace him?
Who that can beat Biden and keep exposing the crony corruption in DC?
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The GOP took a bludgeoning in suburbs in the midterms of 2018 when the economy was humming and unemployment was at record lows. The three states that put Trump in the White House (Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan) flipped decisively for the Dems.
Do you not remember these Democrats ran as "moderates" supporting the President's agenda and with promises not to support Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker??
Do you not remember we gained seats in the Senate in the 2018 midterms?
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Yesterday, I would have said they were crazy.
And then came Liz Cheney's Tweet, and then I suddenly realized, that it is a possibility you could see a bunch of Congressional Republicans basically begin telling Trump they will not support his re-election.
Especially if the perception is that his poll numbers are tanking, and perception is reality.
Hope I'm wrong. But there is something in the air.
That's a possibility .... IMHO the intent was to take Trump down long before now and have Pence as president. Still haven't been able to figure out why Trump picked Pence in the first place ... but he's been in "play" since the beginning.
With that being said, I reflect back on my original impression of Trump. He was "inserted" into the campaign in order to take out Cruz. Surprisingly to the DEMS he took out everyone including Hillary which I certainly don't think was in their plans.
As far as Trump dropping out ... I just don't see that....it's not in his nature to quit, unless his personal agenda has been fulfilled or his health is failing. I don't think either is the case.
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Actually, let me put it this way.
If Biden is elected, he'll get a year or so of basic criminal lucre out of the office, sign a few wish list Dem Bills (if they keep enough of the House and get the Senate), and be outta there.
Whoever is next in line will be who really gets elected. He's a placeholder.
"You have to pass it to find out what's in it. " would apply to the White House, too.
There is no one on the Left I would want to see in that office again in my lifetime.
Ironically, I who did not want to elect him, do not want him to lose this time. If he drops out, who will replace him?
Who that can beat Biden and keep exposing the crony corruption in DC?
Ted Cruz...don't count him out and don't under estimate him. He's had 3 years to watch how Trump handled the leftist. Perhaps Mark Meadows. I used to think that DeSantis, gov. of FL would be a possibility, but he's turned out to be a disappointment.
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Do you not remember these Democrats ran as "moderates" supporting the President's agenda and with promises not to support Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker??
Do you not remember we gained seats in the Senate in the 2018 midterms?
Yeah, I remember.
But I also remember a sitting president crisscrossing the country imploring voters that the election was explicitly a referendum on him and to vote accordingly. That, with a booming economy, should have been more than enough to overcome any Democratic subterfuge.
And, Democrat politicians hiding their extremism does not explain why minorities turned out in record numbers during a midterm. Remember how pathetic Obama used to look begging his vaunted coalition to show up for midterm elections? (Don't boo, vote!"). Who/What motivated them to come out like they did?
As far as gaining seats in the Senate, you're right--Florida, that's a good pickup.
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Yeah, I remember.
But I also remember a sitting president crisscrossing the country imploring voters that the election was explicitly a referendum on him and to vote accordingly. That, with a booming economy, should have been more than enough to overcome any Democratic subterfuge.
And, Democrat politicians hiding their extremism does not explain why minorities turned out in record numbers during a midterm. Remember how pathetic Obama used to look begging his vaunted coalition to show up for midterm elections? (Don't boo, vote!"). Who/What motivated them to come out like they did?
As far as gaining seats in the Senate, you're right--Florida, that's a good pickup.
The White House incumbent's party almost always loses seats in the midterm following a presidential election...its almost a rule of thumb. It tells us almost nothing about the mood of the electorate going into 2020.
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If he keeps on accidentally (giving him the benefit of the doubt) retweeting videos of people saying "White Power!" then he won't have a choice. He will be forced out as the party abandons him.
Just one self-inflicted wound after another. I foolishly thought Trump may have turned the corner at the SOTU but he steadfastly refuses to exhibit the discipline and promote the message necessary to grow his base.
His SOTU address was excellent and perhaps one of the best given in history. What happened though soon afterwards? COVID -- not Trump's fault, I think he handled the crisis initially remarkably well; the DEMS have politicized it. I think COVID was orchestrated by Biden and Fauci ... (I know many disagree). Then the George Floyd incident; obviously an accident, and not Trump's fault, again the DEMS have politicized the incident and Soros has funded the subversive groups to assault this country.
COVID and BLM/Antifa are not the fault of Trump .... however, IMHO what is hurting him the most is his lack of action and show of strength and leadership on the riots.
I think he needs to redirect his focus of the SOTU before COVID and the riots -- this country gained some incredible ground and we were headed in the right direction. He needs to continue to convey his accomplishments. But ,he's got to nip the riots in the bud though and I'm hoping that he's developing a plan.
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If the R's now had leaders such as Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, they would never have
nominated a buffoon such as Trump but they don't and are now stuck w/him.
They had an opportunity during impeachment to finally get rid of him but hid in the closet.
His posse of enthusiasts are nothing more than a Fan Club that craves daily entertainment.
As a result, the R's face the loss of as many as 20 House seats, control of the Senate as well
as number of red state govs.
The usual suspects will rage and rant at this; no surprise given their zero awareness of history.
Some 90 years ago, Hoover was POTUS while a horrific economic collapse occurred on his watch.
What did he do???? NOTHING, which worsened it day after day. As a consequence he was dealt a massive landslide defeat in 1932 which made FDR and the D's politically ascendant ever since. Reality.
The same fate awaits Trump as he fumbles, mumbles and stumbles through each and every day, making more enemies, blaming everyone else and doing absolutely nothing of substance.
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If the R's now had leaders such as Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, they would never have
nominated a buffoon such as Trump but they don't and are now stuck w/him.
They had an opportunity during impeachment to finally get rid of him but hid in the closet.
His posse of enthusiasts are nothing more than a Fan Club that craves daily entertainment.
As a result, the R's face the loss of as many as 20 House seats, control of the Senate as well
as number of red state govs.
The usual suspects will rage and rant at this; no surprise given their zero awareness of history.
Some 90 years ago, Hoover was POTUS while a horrific economic collapse occurred on his watch.
What did he do???? NOTHING, which worsened it day after day. As a consequence he was dealt a massive landslide defeat in 1932 which made the D's politically ascendant ever since. Reality.
The same fate awaits Trump as he fumbles, mumbles and stumbles through each and every day,
making more enemies, blaming everyone else and doing absolutely nothing of substance.
Gee ... I recall an excellent State of the Union and economy before COVID -- Trump handled it remarkably well and of course the DEMS have politicized it ... the economy is slowly coming back ... but this virus is unpredictable. Not quite sure how you can compare this to Hoover's economy, certainly he wasn't faced with a pandemic.
Then we have Slow Joe who doesn't even know where he is some days ...
Heck of a choice isn't it?
Oh, I'm not one that nominated Trump ... but I sure as heck wouldn't vote for Biden.
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The White House incumbent's party almost always loses seats in the midterm following a presidential election...its almost a rule of thumb. It tells us almost nothing about the mood of the electorate going into 2020.
We shall see.
High minority turnout does not bode well for Trump. Parscale, Kushner, et al know this and try to get POTUS to stay on message (like in the excellent SOTU that the frustrated Pelosi ripped up) enough to either grow his minority numbers a bit or, at least, depress minorities' motivation to vote for the other side. It worked in 2016. Now, Trump has gone off script and seemingly abandoned the notion.
To wit: Kung Flu. His crusade to save the Confederacy heritage. Focus on MS-13/Immigration/No DACA. Retweeting "White Power!" Stopping HB-1 Visas. Destablishing Indian Lands. Venerating "Trail of Tears" Andrew Jackson.
Trump has something for all their non-white asses! :silly:
Lately, I'm not sure if lately Trump is running for Jefferson Davis' 2nd term or Richard Nixon's 3rd, but demographics, demographics, demographics.....
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His SOTU address was excellent and perhaps one of the best given in history. What happened though soon afterwards? COVID -- not Trump's fault, I think he handled the crisis initially remarkably well; the DEMS have politicized it. I think COVID was orchestrated by Biden and Fauci ... (I know many disagree).
I think Covid-19 would have been a difficult task for any administration to deal with. However, as usual, Trump makes matters worse by running his mouth like a rich man's son who was never punched in his face for talking recklessly.
Wait until this fall when the democrats run all those political ads of Trump dismissing the seriousness of the virus in February/March. How do you think that's going to play with suburban moms as they worry about their children in school? As they worry about the approach of flu season?
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Gee ... I recall an excellent State of the Union and economy before COVID -- Trump handled it remarkably well and of course the DEMS have politicized it ... the economy is slowly coming back ... but this virus is unpredictable. Not quite sure how you can compare this to Hoover's economy, certainly he wasn't faced with a pandemic.
Then we have Slow Joe who doesn't even know where he is some days ...
Heck of a choice isn't it?
Oh, I'm not one that nominated Trump ... but I sure as heck wouldn't vote for Biden.
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The catastrophic impact of the Great War led directly to the Great Depression of 1929.
As a result, Hoover suffered a massive landslide defeat to FDR.
The catastrophic impact of the Wuhan Pandemic is still pervasive and will effect the election
of any and all in positions of power and for a very basic reason:
PEOPLE VOTE THEIR SELF INTEREST FIRST, LAST AND IN BETWEEN!!!
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The catastrophic impact of the Great War led directly to the Great Depression of 1929.
As a result, Hoover suffered a massive landslide defeat to FDR.
The catastrophic impact of the Wuhan Pandemic is still pervasive and will effect the election
of any and all in positions of power and for a very basic reason:
PEOPLE VOTE THEIR SELF INTEREST FIRST, LAST AND IN BETWEEN!!!
Considering self- interest, how is that served by electing the crowd of do-nothings who let cities burn? Does this represent ordinary people's interest of any color, to have their businesses burned?
It was democrats who let that happen (Trump could do little or nothing because his hands are tied, constitutionally).
All that destruction is on the Dems.
He needs to point that out. While they were taking a knee wearing kente cloths of the Ashante (the tribe that sold blacks into slavery), he was trying to take care of business.
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Considering self- interest, how is that served by electing the crowd of do-nothings who let cities burn? Does this represent ordinary people's interest of any color, to have their businesses burned?
It was democrats who let that happen (Trump could do little or nothing because his hands are tied, constitutionally).
All that destruction is on the Dems.
He needs to point that out. While they were taking a knee wearing kente cloths of the Ashante (the tribe that sold blacks into slavery), he was trying to take care of business.
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Smokin, point accepted.
This is where reputation is paramount.
As MachIavelli asserted "It's far better the Prince be feared rather than loved."
Were this the case w/Trump, I doubt this urban chaos would have exploded as it has.
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Smokin, point accepted.
This is where reputation is paramount.
As MachIavelli asserted "It's far better the Prince be feared rather than loved."
Were this the case w/Trump, I doubt this urban chaos would have exploded as it has.
I have little doubt the various legal minds behind the scenes have studied the issue, on BOTH sides.
A Prince has the power to pretty much deal with things as they please.
Not so the POTUS.
Short of them operating on Federal Land, or attacking Federal Monuments, there is little Trump can do if a few blocks go up.
No more than he can make blanket rules for the COVID-19 outbreak for small jurisdictions, can he send in the uninvited presence of the National Guard.
If you recall, even hurricane aid, staged outside Louisiana after Katrina, was stalled until the Governor requested help.
So it is with rioters. The regular military is subject to The Posse Comitatus Act, so that's out, too.
The Media may try to make it out that he did nothing, (sort of a Nero fiddling while Rome burned), but legally he could not do anything except on Federal Land and with Federal Buildings and Monuments, and IF HE HAD, you know that the MSM would have been all over him for violating Federal Law and the Constitution, and the new, improved, lemon scented Articles of Impeachment were probably open on someone's machine, waiting for a few blanks to be filled in.
The chaos was paid for, orchestrated, and agitated, and not nearly so spontaneous as it is presented, and not always a product of the people named in the graffiti. Only the useful idiots went in for some looting and burning, caught up in the mob fever.
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The catastrophic impact of the Great War led directly to the Great Depression of 1929.
As a result, Hoover suffered a massive landslide defeat to FDR.
The catastrophic impact of the Wuhan Pandemic is still pervasive and will effect the election
of any and all in positions of power and for a very basic reason:
PEOPLE VOTE THEIR SELF INTEREST FIRST, LAST AND IN BETWEEN!!!
Didn't the Great War/flu pandemic lead to a ten-year period of massive prosperity? Much like the late 1940s and World War II, the Roaring Twenties were fueled by Europe tearing the crap out of itself and having to rely on still-healthy American industry to keep the world running. President Coolidge managed to use that to balance the budget, one of the few Presidents to do so.
Warren Harding ran his 1920 campaign on a "return to normalcy" after the disasters of Wilson's left-wing reign. He and his successor Coolidge achieved that.
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Yeah, I remember.
But I also remember a sitting president crisscrossing the country imploring voters that the election was explicitly a referendum on him and to vote accordingly. That, with a booming economy, should have been more than enough to overcome any Democratic subterfuge.
And, Democrat politicians hiding their extremism does not explain why minorities turned out in record numbers during a midterm. Remember how pathetic Obama used to look begging his vaunted coalition to show up for midterm elections? (Don't boo, vote!"). Who/What motivated them to come out like they did?
As far as gaining seats in the Senate, you're right--Florida, that's a good pickup.
You have to remember that 34 Republicans stepped down before the '18 elections. That definitely skewed numbers because people were unsure of those replacement contenders.
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That was when Trump's poll numbers were good and the economy was humming along.
His numbers are still stellar among Republicans.
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Didn't the Great War/flu pandemic lead to a ten-year period of massive prosperity? Much like the late 1940s and World War II, the Roaring Twenties were fueled by Europe tearing the crap out of itself and having to rely on still-healthy American industry to keep the world running. President Coolidge managed to use that to balance the budget, one of the few Presidents to do so.
Warren Harding ran his 1920 campaign on a "return to normalcy" after the disasters of Wilson's left-wing reign. He and his successor Coolidge achieved that.
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Fuller, all true enough yet another perspective.
The impact of the Great War on the psyche of Europe was as horrific as its casualties,
since their way of life was disrupted forever; its civilians embittered and alienated,
creating a fertile landscape for the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin and others
Predictably, war survivors sought distraction, diversion, and escape; the Roaring Twenties
in the USA being symptomatic.
Yet the War had effectively destroyed the fundamental underpinnings of many economies
which became increasingly apparent as the years passed and trade balances eroded.
I'm suggesting that the 'prosperity of the Jazz Age' was largely a mirage, self created to
blur the reality of the War in the minds of those who lived through that period..
Further, the harshness of Great Depression was a function of how badly national economies
had been disrupted by the War.
Anyway, that's my take.
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You have to remember that 34 Republicans stepped down before the '18 elections. That definitely skewed numbers because people were unsure of those replacement contenders.
I see it as getting rid of the deadweight, like "blowing up the team" in sports.
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I see it as getting rid of the deadweight, like "blowing up the team" in sports.
Being from the Buffalo area, I can say with confidence that "blowing up the team" invariably leads to decades of futility.