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Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals
by Melissa Quinn | Jan 23, 2018, 10:40 AM
President Trump gets a "mulligan" from evangelical voters for some of his past behavior — including an alleged affair with a former adult film star — as long as he comes through on policy, said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.
“We kind of gave him, ‘All right, you get a mulligan. You get a do-over here,†Perkins told Politico in a podcast posted Tuesday.
Perkins was asked about reports of Trump’s affair with Stephanie Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, in 2006 — months after his wife, Melania, gave birth to their son, Barron.
Michael Cohen, a lawyer for Trump, reportedly arranged for Clifford to receive $130,000 a month before the election to keep quiet about her sexual encounter with Trump.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tony-perkins-trump-gets-a-mulligan-over-stormy-daniels-from-evangelicals/article/2646798 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tony-perkins-trump-gets-a-mulligan-over-stormy-daniels-from-evangelicals/article/2646798)
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I'm waiting for Trump to actually shoot someone on 5th Avenue to test his theory.
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I'm waiting for Trump to actually shoot someone on 5th Avenue to test his theory.
A perfect metaphor when you consider Stormy could suck a golf ball thru a 50' garden hose.
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Had Trump been a Democrat the Evangelicals will be screaming bloody murder and damn him to hell.
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On Wedding Anniversary, Melania Trump Cancels Trip With President To Davos
First Lady Melania Trump has cancelled plans to join President Donald Trump at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to mark the couple’s 13th wedding anniversary.
Trump is set to speak Friday at the annual gathering of world and business leaders at a resort in the Swiss alps.
The first lady won’t be able to attend because of “scheduling and logistical issues,†Stephanie Grisham, the first lady’s Director of Communications confirmed to CNN early Tuesday.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/wedding-anniversary-melania-trump-cancels-085306687.html (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/wedding-anniversary-melania-trump-cancels-085306687.html)
They won't be together for Lucky 13 (ironically, the lace anniversary) but will, however, keep In Touch.....
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Had Trump been a Democrat the Evangelicals will be screaming bloody murder and damn him to hell.
Hypocrisy is fine, as long as you bathe it in orange mood lighting.
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Yes the same people who went berserk over Clinton, Lewinsky and a blue dress back in the olden days - today have mellowed to the stated understanding that when voting for President, we are not voting for a pope or Christ - so lewd sexual character.. - er.... ANY questionable character no longer matters when it is OUR GUY who is doing it. They just want someone who will kick ass and take names - they don't care whom he bangs besides his wife or what he changes his mind about minute to minute.
'Slouching towards Gomorrah'? It should have been titled "Freefalling into Gomorrah".
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Yes the same people who went berserk over Clinton, Lewinsky and a blue dress back in the olden days - today have mellowed to the stated understanding that when voting for President, we are not voting for a pope or Christ - so lewd sexual character.. - er.... ANY questionable character no longer matters when it is OUR GUY who is doing it. They just want someone who will kick ass and take names - they don't care whom he bangs besides his wife or what he changes his mind about minute to minute.
'Slouching towards Gomorrah'? It should have been titled "Freefalling into Gomorrah".
I remember those days... To be honest, I don't know if believe it or not, I have to follow it some more. However, I remember a lot of people on our side getting excited that Clinton fathered a child out of wedlock.
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Hypocrisy is fine, as long as you bathe it in orange mood lighting.
@Suppressed
Where's the hypocrisy? Everyone knows Trump is on his third marriage with infidelity being a major factor.
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Had Trump been a Democrat the Evangelicals will be screaming bloody murder and damn him to hell.
@kevindavis
Funny thing, evangelicals believe anyone and everyone can be saved.
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@kevindavis
Funny thing, evangelicals believe anyone and everyone can be saved.
@driftdriver
Not if the person is a democrat.
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@driftdriver
Not if the person is a democrat.
@kevindavis
Oh so sadly misinformed.
Anyone can be, doesn;t mean they wont be judged for their sins, but they will be forgiven if they seek it. Anyone can be, and sadly you probably know this but prefer to make snide remarks about Christians.
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@Suppressed
Where's the hypocrisy? Everyone knows Trump is on his third marriage with infidelity being a major factor.
Yeah Trump hid it so well didn't he. We are just now finding out the man was a cad, a bounder. Let the NT'ers righteous indignation ring out! lol
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Most of us know what a Milligan is in the golfing vernacular. I had to check urban dictionary just to make sure it wasn't some other euphemism in this instance.
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A perfect metaphor when you consider Stormy could suck a golf ball thru a 50' garden hose.
When I first saw the headline, something about a hole-in-one came to mind...
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Yes the same people who went berserk over Clinton, Lewinsky and a blue dress back in the olden days - today have mellowed to the stated understanding that when voting for President, we are not voting for a pope or Christ -
Hogwash.
Clinton was well known as a rapist an adulterer before he campaigned for President.
Clinton / Lewinski / blue dress was about PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE. The MSM emphasized the sex. Only those who wanted to ignore the felonies that were committed chose to make it all about sex.
The main reason to go "berserk over Clinton" was the sale of missile guidance system information in exchange for campaign contributions. That crime is now coming to full fruition.
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Hogwash.
Clinton was well known as a rapist an adulterer before he campaigned for President.
Clinton / Lewinski / blue dress was about PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE. The MSM emphasized the sex. Only those who wanted to ignore the felonies that were committed chose to make it all about sex.
The main reason to go "berserk over Clinton" was the sale of missile guidance system information in exchange for campaign contributions. That crime is now coming to full fruition.
It is good of you to introduce the facts.
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Clinton / Lewinski / blue dress was about PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE. The MSM emphasized the sex. Only those who wanted to ignore the felonies that were committed chose to make it all about sex.
If this story is true, it'll be about the payment, how it was handled, and the legal implications behind it. Watch the WH make it about the press interest in salaciousness, though.
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I remember those days... To be honest, I don't know if believe it or not, I have to follow it some more. However, I remember a lot of people on our side getting excited that Clinton fathered a child out of wedlock.
Geez. I remember when some Christian conservatives were concerned that Reagan had been divorced and remarried.
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If this story is true, it'll be about the payment, how it was handled, and the legal implications behind it. Watch the WH make it about the press interest in salaciousness, though.
They are already making that point about the payment.
Alleged payment to porn star was illegal donation to Trump campaign, watchdog says
The call from Common Cause for criminal prosecution echoes charges against John Edwards.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/stormy-daniels-trump-payment-illegal-donation-357250 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/stormy-daniels-trump-payment-illegal-donation-357250)
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At least it wasnt money intended for homeless orphans in Haiti. Not that anyone would ever steal from orphans.
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They are already making that point about the payment.
I find it interesting how Cohen, knowing he was on the record with the WSJ, denied the affair and dodged discussion of the payment.
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I find it interesting how Cohen, knowing he was on the record with the WSJ, denied the affair and dodged discussion of the payment.
Yes but IIRC, he used sort of weasel words like Donald Trump didn't pay her....of course technically it was the shell company the LLC that Cohen opened that, if true, paid her and likely wrote the check not Payable to Stormy Daniels but to her real name or a pseudonym, so as to allow her to be somewhat truthful in her denials. Besides, even if on the records with the WSJ, it's not like being under oath, not a crime to lie to the press...
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Besides, even if on the records with the WSJ, it's not like being under oath, not a crime to lie to the press...
It's not, but he knows they probably have some sort of paper trail on the payment. He was dumb enough to leave his own name on the LLC as a concerned party. It should have been outsourced to another attorney. If he goes into denials about it, that opens questions about his other statements concerning the encounter.
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It's not, but he knows they probably have some sort of paper trail on the payment. He was dumb enough to leave his own name on the LLC as a concerned party. It should have been outsourced to another attorney. If he goes into denials about it, that opens questions about his other statements concerning the encounter.
IF it is true (big If at this point), he is going to have a big issue with campaign finance law.
It always is the cover-up, not the crime that gets you (not that having an affair is a crime but the cover up could be).
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@Suppressed
Where's the hypocrisy? Everyone knows Trump is on his third marriage with infidelity being a major factor.
@driftdiver
Where's the criticism of him, the way a Democrat would be excoriated?
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IF it is true (big If at this point), he is going to have a big issue with campaign finance law.
It always is the cover-up, not the crime that gets you (not that having an affair is a crime but the cover up could be).
I really don't think it's that big of an if, at this point. Daniels gave a detailed interview in 2011, when the idea of Trump's candidacy was a novel one, as it was in 2000. The denial 'letter' posted online with her signature has all the weight and seriousness of a 'will you go with me - yes/no - circle one' junior high school note.
WSJ has the documentation of Cohen setting up the Delaware LLC, plus sourcing of the transaction details. It's close enough to being accurate where Cohen won't address it. The missteps in handling it wouldn't be at all surprising, given the bonehead moves other personal Trump attorneys like Sekulow and Dowd have pulled.
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... given the bonehead moves other personal Trump attorneys like Sekulow and Dowd have pulled.
Only the best!
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I wonder if the morally outraged here would have supported Ronald Reagan knowing he married his mistress only because she was pregnant..... :pondering:
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Only the best!
You really should get some new material. :laugh:
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You really should get some new material. :laugh:
And a material girl?
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And a material girl?
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Edpc, Don't Preach.
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I wonder if the morally outraged here would have supported Ronald Reagan knowing he married his mistress only because she was pregnant..... :pondering:
@Right_in_Virginia
Me, morally outraged over Trump peccadillos?
No. Not I, because I certainly knew who he was and how he conducted his “affairs†as they had been no secret before he ran for POTUS. Hell he wrote and bragged of in at least one of his books, bedding married women, some of them the wives of business associates or friends, talked about his sex life on a regular basis on the Howard Stern Show, claimed that the “last days of disco†when HIV first became known was his “own personal Vietnam, “grab them by the pus…..,very publicly cheated on his first wife, likely on his second and was on a date with another woman the first time he met and then immediately hit on Melania. We, (including I would certainly hope Melania), all knew or should have known what we were getting into with Trump.
But there is I think some reason to point out the hypocrisy of an alleged pastor, a supposed man of God saying that Trump gets a “mulligan†for cheating on his wife, what 3 months after his son was born, with a porn star.
How many “mulligans†does Trump get, how many “mulligans†would Perkins give me?
Oh, and for Ronald Reagan and Nancy's shot gun wedding, I know of a couple of people, including a friend of mine who got purged and banned from TOS during the great Guiliani Purge of saying just that. They were morally outraged that someone could ever besmearch Saint Ronnie.
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A man that will lie and commit adultery after taking sacred vows of fidelity will lie and cheat to anyone. Funny how Trump supporters think that he is always being truthful and honest with them.
It is sort of like the woman who has an affair with a married man thinking that she is so special he would never do the same thing to her. Not a whole lot of logical thinking there.
Trump has committed adultery numerous times. Cheated on three wives. He has bragged about committing adultery in his books. And his supporters don't think he wouldn't think twice about stabbing them in the back as well?
Moral character means something. A man like Donald Trump doesn't suddenly become honest and trustworthy because he was rewarded by being elected to the highest office in the land and has an "R" after his name.
If Trump wants to ask God for forgiveness and God wants to grant it to them that is between Trump and God but I am not required to forgive him. Nor am I required to be naive enough to think he will make a fine POTUS.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
George Washington
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I wonder if the morally outraged here would have supported Ronald Reagan knowing he married his mistress only because she was pregnant..... :pondering:
We aren't talking about Reagan we are talking about Donald Trump. And yes, if I had been informed that Reagan was a lying philanderer and serial cheater I would not have voted for him. This is the first I've heard of anything like this about him. Whataboutism is a very obvious form of misdirection. As my mom used to say "If your friend jumped off a cliff would you jump off too?"
"Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people."
George Washington
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I'm waiting for Trump to actually shoot someone on 5th Avenue to test his theory.
That’s not what Trump meant, he was just playing eighth dementional chess, or something.
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A man that will lie and commit adultery after taking sacred vows of fidelity will lie and cheat to anyone. Funny how Trump supporters think that he is always being truthful and honest with them.
It is sort of like the woman who has an affair with a married man thinking that she is so special he would never do the same thing to her. Not a whole lot of logical thinking there.
Trump has committed adultery numerous times. Cheated on three wives. He has bragged about committing adultery in his books. And his supporters don't think he wouldn't think twice about stabbing them in the back as well?
Moral character means something. A man like Donald Trump doesn't suddenly become honest and trustworthy because he was rewarded by being elected to the highest office in the land and has an "R" after his name.
If Trump wants to ask God for forgiveness and God wants to grant it to them that is between Trump and God but I am not required to forgive him. Nor am I required to be naive enough to think he will make a fine POTUS.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
George Washington
BRAVA!!!!
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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
- George Washington
Trump supporters today will emphatically tell you that George Washington was wrong and that this is a new era of new morality and the old morality is dead.
Which is how you get the justification emphasis that just because person cheats on their wives and has illicit sex outside of marriage, has no bearing on how they will govern the country.
And of course the belief that their anointed will never lie or cheat on them, and the hordes that just plain don't care - as long as Trump gives them what they want.
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Had Trump been a Democrat the Evangelicals will be screaming bloody murder and damn him to hell.
Yes. That's why the term "Evangelical" has been rendered meaningless.
If so-called conservative Christians don't care about morality and adultery because the guy has the policies we want, they are not looking at Scripture. They are looking at their own selfish goals.
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@driftdiver
Where's the criticism of him, the way a Democrat would be excoriated?
Where would that happen? I've never seen it.
BTW all you Trump haters wrapping yourself up in some sort of bizarre idea that prior to Trump, Presidents were moral compasses..... Nan Britton.
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... And yes, if I had been informed that Reagan was a lying philanderer and serial cheater I would not have voted for him. This is the first I've heard of anything like this about him....
@ConservativeGranny
Ronald and Nancy married in 1952 and supposedly Nancy was pregnant with Patti when she and Ronald married, Pattie being born less than 8 months later. But he had been divorced from Jane Wyman since 1949 and didn’t start dating Nancy until after his divorce. They certainly wouldn’t have been the first couple to have ever been in such a situation, I have a couple of very happily and long time married relatives and a very close friend whose 1st children were born “early†shall we say.
But I do not know of any infidelities or philandering on Reagan’s part in either of his marriages, or on Jane’s or Nancy’s part for that matter.
Interestingly part of the reason is first marriage broke up was because Jane Wyman resented his involvement in the Screen Actors Guild union and his political ambitions and Wyman, who was a registered Republican, also stated that their break-up was due to a difference in politics (Reagan was still a Democrat at the time). But they remained friends until his death with Wyman voting for Reagan in both of his runs and, upon his death, saying "America has lost a great president and a great, kind, and gentle man.â€
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We aren't talking about Reagan we are talking about Donald Trump. And yes, if I had been informed that Reagan was a lying philanderer and serial cheater I would not have voted for him. This is the first I've heard of anything like this about him. Whataboutism is a very obvious form of misdirection. As my mom used to say "If your friend jumped off a cliff would you jump off too?"
"Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people."
George Washington
Some people are so devoted that they need to slander EVERY other person on earth in order to keep their god in his place in their hearts.
It is utterly disgusting that Reagan should be smeared to make Donald's utter depravity somehow acceptable.
Disgusting.
@ConservativeGranny
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@ConservativeGranny
Ronald and Nancy married in 1952 and supposedly Nancy was pregnant with Patti when she and Ronald married, Pattie being born less than 8 months later. But he had been divorced from Jane Wyman since 1949 and didn’t start dating Nancy until after his divorce. They certainly wouldn’t have been the first couple to have ever been in such a situation, I have a couple of very happily and long time married relatives and a very close friend whose 1st children were born “early†shall we say.
But I do not know of any infidelities or philandering on Reagan’s part in either of his marriages, or on Jane’s or Nancy’s part for that matter.
Interestingly part of the reason is first marriage broke up was because Jane Wyman resented his involvement in the Screen Actors Guild union and his political ambitions and Wyman, who was a registered Republican, also stated that their break-up was due to a difference in politics (Reagan was still a Democrat at the time). But they remained friends until his death with Wyman voting for Reagan in both of his runs and, upon his death, saying "America has lost a great president and a great, kind, and gentle man.â€
You know that if there were any truth to the smears, they would have come out years ago.
The left HATED Reagan, and they would certainly have revealed infidelity if it existed.
It is only leftist Trumpists who now feel the need to slander Reagan.
@Neverdul
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We aren't talking about Reagan we are talking about Donald Trump.
Too bad @ConservativeGranny .... I want to know if your virtue signaling is genuine. So, does Ronnie having to marry his pregnant mistress matter to you?
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@driftdiver
Where's the criticism of him, the way a Democrat would be excoriated?
@Suppressed
Where is it? Back in the primaries. I fought against him then but now it's a waste of time. Especially when it's the left pushing the narrative
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having to marry his pregnant mistress matter to you?
Having to marry? Like being “punished with a baby� On another note, why haven’t you answered my prolife questions I’ve asked on other threads? You know, the questions I asked after you posted a Trump’s more prolife than Jesus post on a thread that had nothing to do with abortion.
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You know that if there were any truth to the smears, they would have come out years ago.
This is well know has been since his days in Hollywood.
In fact, Ronald, the actor, was also known as a *prolific* womanizer (when married, too).
Let me know what your Pastor says about Ronnie getting a mulligan.
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Where would that happen? I've never seen it.
BTW all you Trump haters wrapping yourself up in some sort of bizarre idea that prior to Trump, Presidents were moral compasses..... Nan Britton.
ROFLOL!! NO one is saying that prior to Trump Presidents were moral compasses.
You just make things up so you can throw around the stupid ad hominem "Trump haters."
SOME of us just hate adultery and licentiousness, no matter WHO it is who harms others with these debaucheries.
FDR, JFK, WJC, or DJT..........
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Having to marry? Like being “punished with a baby�
No, like having to marry her or see his political career destroyed before it could begin.
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@mystery-ak
Melania would not have known about Stormy and it happened four months after Melania had his baby.
She could go along with what he did before they married, but this one hit her in the face. This is likely why she is not traveling with him. She also has to wonder how many more did he have after marrying her.
I heard the preacher guy today say Christians were giving him a pass, forgiving him since it was several years ago and he has changed. No, he hasn't but maybe his years are keeping him from that behavior now, or maybe not.
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Too bad @ConservativeGranny .... I want to know if your virtue signaling is genuine. So, does Ronnie having to marry his pregnant mistress matter to you?
Good to know @Right_in_Virginia that the 'virtue signaling' as you call it, is witnessed when you Trumpers feel TBR is moving away from the President AND his party and bitch about Ronald Reagan in the Masthead and GOP in the domain name and how we are disparaging that honor and here you are. It's Shameful really to prop your statue up like this.
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You really should get some new material. :laugh:
No need...Donnie keeps the old stuff fresh.
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@mystery-ak
Melania would not have known about Stormy and it happened four months after Melania had his baby.
She could go along with what he did before they married, but this one hit her in the face. This is likely why she is not traveling with him. She also has to wonder how many more did he have after marrying her.
I heard the preacher guy today say Christians were giving him a pass, forgiving him since it was several years ago and he has changed. No, he hasn't but maybe his years are keeping him from that behavior now, or maybe not.
@Victoria33
Well since Jesus has already paid the price for Trumps sin I guess I'll worry about something else. Like keeping the dems from destroying this country
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SOME of us just hate adultery and licentiousness, no matter WHO it is who harms others with these debaucheries.
I rent to a Reverend. When I see him to pick up the check I ask him how the God business is after he asks me how the rental business is. It's our running thing. Couple month ago he went off about the God business being bad because parishioners have become increasingly judgmental over the years instead of Christian like and end up scaring other away from joining the church. He said it's the reason numbers in the pew are dropping at all the churches.
I bring up this story because after reading your irrational anger at Donny over ALLEGEDLY having a affair TWELVE YEARS AGO I can see his point. You more than likely roll into some large half empty building every Sunday to fondle some holy relics and sing some Jesus songs about peace and love and then angrily gossip about unsubstantiated and inconsequential stories like this Donny one night stand stuff that doesn't effect your life in the very least.
When I see the Rev next month I will have to tell him I have seen tangible evidence of what he speaks.
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@Victoria33
Well since Jesus has already paid the price for Trumps sin I guess I'll worry about something else. Like keeping the dems from destroying this country
I don't care what he does, but this has to be hurting Melania. She is finding out what she married and she can't do anything about it as long as he is president.
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@Victoria33
Well since Jesus has already paid the price for Trumps sin ...
@driftdiver
https://www.biola.edu/blogs/good-book-blog/2017/can-there-be-forgiveness-without-repentance-part-1 (https://www.biola.edu/blogs/good-book-blog/2017/can-there-be-forgiveness-without-repentance-part-1)
"I am not sure I have [ever asked forgiveness]. . . . I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
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I don't care what he does, but this has to be hurting Melania. She is finding out what she married and she can't do anything about it as long as he is president.
LOL. That's patently absurd. Is she some sort of potted plant? She can head back up to 5th Avenue any time she likes......yet she stays. Could it be that this go nowhere story is total bullshit that only malcontents and spinsters find juicy?
BTW I don't believe the First Lady is some sort of prudish shrinking violet. Just a hunch....
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You know that if there were any truth to the smears, they would have come out years ago.
The left HATED Reagan, and they would certainly have revealed infidelity if it existed.
It is only leftist Trumpists who now feel the need to slander Reagan.
@Neverdul
@musiclady Thanks for the information. I had never heard any of these rumors before.
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Too bad @ConservativeGranny .... I want to know if your virtue signaling is genuine. So, does Ronnie having to marry his pregnant mistress matter to you?
@Right-in-Virginia I don't know what "virtue signaling" is so I cannot speak to that. All I can say is that everything I say is "genuine". I speak my mind. I'm neither Rep or Dem so I have no party loyalty to worry about. My opinion about Donald Trump hasn't changed since he first threw his hat into the ring unlike some others who just became fans when he won. I don't know that what has been said about President Reagan is true. If he got his girlfriend pregnant and then married her I would say he did the right thing. No that would not bother me if that was the case as long as he remained true and faithful to her. Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing rotten apples and oranges. They have nothing in common except they both were democrats at one time and were presidents under the Republican party.
But we aren't talking about Reagan in this thread. He is dead and gone. If you want to why don't you try starting a completely new topic and discuss it there? We are discussing why virtue is important in our leaders. I know that Trump supporters like to draw attention away from anything that doesn't make Trump look good. Christians used to believe virtue and following God's laws were important and way above politics. If virtue is old-fashioned and dead then our Constitution is as well. For without virtue it is not worth the paper it is written on and we can no longer be considered a Christian country. You think we would have learned this after Clinton and Obama but I guess not. Immorality doesn't belong to a political party. When we continue to elect immoral men and fail to demand morality in our leaders our leaders will become increasingly immoral. Considering the cesspool that our government has become I'd say the proof is in the pudding.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
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Along with the mulligan, Trump also received an assortment of Slovene curse words. The Secret Service will probably change her code name from Trophy to Lorena.
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I rent to a Reverend. When I see him to pick up the check I ask him how the God business is after he asks me how the rental business is. It's our running thing. Couple month ago he went off about the God business being bad because parishioners have become increasingly judgmental over the years instead of Christian like and end up scaring other away from joining the church. He said it's the reason numbers in the pew are dropping at all the churches.
I bring up this story because after reading your irrational anger at Donny over ALLEGEDLY having a affair TWELVE YEARS AGO I can see his point. You more than likely roll into some large half empty building every Sunday to fondle some holy relics and sing some Jesus songs about peace and love and then angrily gossip about unsubstantiated and inconsequential stories like this Donny one night stand stuff that doesn't effect your life in the very least.
When I see the Rev next month I will have to tell him I have seen tangible evidence of what he speaks.
I was going to make a crack about Rev Sharpton or Rev Jackson, but then I noticed you were claiming to have picked up the check and I realized you were just trolling.
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I have friends who spent the last eight years bombarding me with obscure scripture to prove their theory that Obama was the Anti-Christ. They have become strong Trump supporters and give Trump a "mulligan" for trashing every moral belief they formally held, while trying to convince me of the error in my ways in refusing to support him....
My response is .... who knew the Anti-Christ would have orange hair... :shrug:
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@Right-in-Virginia I don't know what "virtue signaling" is so I cannot speak to that.
It's a new twist on projection that is used now more often as a silencing technique rather than those who self-identify themselves as better than thou (i.e.:'virtue signal' that one was a better citizen of the earth because they recycle and drive a Prius). Now the term is used to ridicule and shame into silence, anyone discussing morality or applying morality to specific cultural events and situations. It's the new way to smear someone discussing moral principles as having wrong motives.
The Trump Faithful have taken to adopting its use like fish to water.
Christians used to believe virtue and following God's laws were important and way above politics. If virtue is old-fashioned and dead then our Constitution is as well. For without virtue it is not worth the paper it is written on and we can no longer be considered a Christian country. You think we would have learned this after Clinton and Obama but I guess not. Immorality doesn't belong to a political party. When we continue to elect immoral men and fail to demand morality in our leaders our leaders will become increasingly immoral. Considering the cesspool that our government has become I'd say the proof is in the pudding.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
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I was going to make a crack about Rev Sharpton or Rev Jackson, but then I noticed you were claiming to have picked up the check and I realized you were just trolling.
LOL. You knucklehead.
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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
"That hard-to-be-governed passion of youth had hurried me frequently into intrigues with low women that fell in my way."
Benjamin Franklin
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Too bad @ConservativeGranny .... I want to know if your virtue signaling is genuine. So, does Ronnie having to marry his pregnant mistress matter to you?
So that’s what a single or divorced man’s girlfriend or fiancée is called now – his mistress? Good to know. / s
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I rent to a Reverend. When I see him to pick up the check I ask him how the God business is after he asks me how the rental business is. It's our running thing. Couple month ago he went off about the God business being bad because parishioners have become increasingly judgmental over the years instead of Christian like and end up scaring other away from joining the church. He said it's the reason numbers in the pew are dropping at all the churches.
I bring up this story because after reading your irrational anger at Donny over ALLEGEDLY having a affair TWELVE YEARS AGO I can see his point. You more than likely roll into some large half empty building every Sunday to fondle some holy relics and sing some Jesus songs about peace and love and then angrily gossip about unsubstantiated and inconsequential stories like this Donny one night stand stuff that doesn't effect your life in the very least.
When I see the Rev next month I will have to tell him I have seen tangible evidence of what he speaks.
First point, Frank. There is absolutely nothing "irrational" about what I think about adultery. It has been what I have thought about adultery my entire life, and what, until quite recently, every other conservative Christian thought about it.
The principle of marital fidelity isn't original with "Trump haters" (to use a tired old and inaccurate ad hominem). It is original with God, Himself and is clear in His Word.
The damage infidelity (even one time) does to a marriage is well documented. So-called modern reshaping of moral law doesn't change the harm it does, nor the lack of trustworthiness in those who are serial adulterers.
The problem is that the once true-to-Scripture "evangelical" Church has changed...... and not for the better.
You may believe that sex outside of marriage with other married women is no big deal (this particular affair may be "alleged," but the truth is that Trump himself has bragged about his unrepentant immorality, so that is the issue), but the fact some in the Evangelical Church are now saying that serial adultery is no big deal.
And what is making the issue worse, is that those who are supposed to stand for God's Law, have made the choice that POLITICS trumps BIBLICAL truth.
No previous President has been given a "Mulligan" for marital infidelity.
The fact that Trump is being given one is a serious problem. Because no matter what your political desires are.........
CHARACTER STILL MATTERS.
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The path we've been traveling over the past two years, with all the mulligans given to Trump for the sake of "winning!", where is it leading this country?
So long as the Wall is built, and the economy continues to grow, are we required (as most Trumpers seem to believe) to avert our eyes to everything else regarding Mr. Trump?
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The path we've been traveling over the past two years, with all the mulligans given to Trump for the sake of "winning!", where is it leading this country?
To the inauguration of a President Kardashian.
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The path we've been traveling over the past two years, with all the mulligans given to Trump for the sake of "winning!", where is it leading this country?
So long as the Wall is built, and the economy continues to grow, are we required (as most Trumpers seem to believe) to avert our eyes to everything else regarding Mr. Trump?
@Night Hides Not
Its not leading us anywhere. We've permitted and encouraged immoral politicians for decades.
But lets say we don't support him. What are the options? He's still the President. Should we not support his move to pull money from the UN? To speak out for the right to life organizations? To cut taxes?
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No previous President has been given a "Mulligan" for marital infidelity.
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But we aren't talking about Reagan in this thread. He is dead and gone. ...
We are talking about Presidential mulligans @ConservativeGranny Reagan was a President who at the time lived a rather unconventional life for a "conservative" ... Democrat, union leader, actor, late night commercial king, a Hollywood player, divorced, a pregnant girlfriend, the way he treated his children .... not the stuff of evangelical teachings. To this day you're giving him a mulligan.
... I know that Trump supporters like to draw attention away from anything that doesn't make Trump look good.
Respectfully, you know nothing of Trump supporters .... except what you've twisted to fit your rather narrow worldview.
Christians used to believe virtue and following God's laws were important and way above politics. If virtue is old-fashioned and dead then our Constitution is as well. For without virtue it is not worth the paper it is written on and we can no longer be considered a Christian country.
There is one oath I want an elected politician to uphold above all others: to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. How a couple lives their marital vows is not up to me or my concern. It really shouldn't be your concern either.
You think we would have learned this after Clinton and Obama but I guess not. Immorality doesn't belong to a political party. When we continue to elect immoral men and fail to demand morality in our leaders our leaders will become increasingly immoral. Considering the cesspool that our government has become I'd say the proof is in the pudding.
Our government is a cesspool because of corruption ... a breach of the oath I cited above .... not because of sex. Jimmy Carter, the staunchest example of the moral Christian man was a complete eff-up in office and the world, especially the Middle East, is still paying the price.
I'd rather a flawed man who fights for the nation he loves over a religious missionary. Given a choice, I'll choose the flawed doer. Like Churchill. Like Reagan. Like Trump.
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So long as the Wall is built, and the economy continues to grow, are we required (as most Trumpers seem to believe) to avert our eyes to everything else regarding Mr. Trump?
The answer to that we are told is YES. All the matters is what he DOES to assuage their demands on specific issues, and even if Trump reneges on those things he promised, the fact he is causing the media and the Left to have fits of rage absolves him of any personal peccadilloes he has.
IOWs, it's okay when OUR guy does what we bashed Clinton and Obama for doing.
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Please give citations of conservatives or evangelicals giving a mulligan to JFK for his infidelity.
Methinks you're pulling a red herring?
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Please give citations of conservatives or evangelicals giving a mulligan to JFK for his infidelity.
Methinks you're pulling a red herring?
@Suppressed
You can't be serious. The Kennedys were worshipped by people on both sides of the fence to include the evangelicals. Especially those in the north east.
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There is one oath I want an elected politician to uphold above all others: to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. How a couple lives their marital vows is not up to me or my concern. It really shouldn't be your concern either.
Yes, because we should completely expect to trust someone to uphold the oath of office and to uphold and defend the Constitution even when that someone cannot uphold his own marital vow and oath.
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The answer to that we are told is YES. All the matters is what he DOES to assuage their demands on specific issues, and even if Trump reneges on those things he promised, the fact he is causing the media and the Left to have fits of rage absolves him of any personal peccadilloes he has.
IOWs, it's okay when OUR guy does what we bashed Clinton and Obama for doing.
Clinton was bashed for perjury before a federal judge and obstruction of justice. Crimes. He broke his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. If the Clinton "episode" had been about sex, even in the Oval Office, it would not have risen to the level of an impeachable offense.
As for Obama ... he, too, by all reports, broke his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. The jury, quite literally, has yet to rule.
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Please give citations of conservatives or evangelicals giving a mulligan to JFK for his infidelity.
Methinks you're pulling a red herring?
Thanks for the straw dog. The poster said a President never got a Mulligan about infidelity. Kennedy did. Warren G Harding did. These are examples of actual infidelity, not hypothesized like you Donny haters and Progressives are ginning up. I just had to listen to all sorts of Conservative punditry cite how awesome Kennedy was about taxes because of Donny's latest win.
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Speaking of ginning up, I wonder how much Tanqueray Stormy has consumed in an effort to wipe the mental image of Donnie’s orange junk and o-face.
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Yes, because we should completely expect to trust someone to uphold the oath of office and to uphold and defend the Constitution even when that someone cannot uphold his own marital vow and oath.
@INVAR
So you would only support a sinless politician?
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We are talking about Presidential mulligans @ConservativeGranny Reagan was a President who at the time lived a rather unconventional life for a "conservative" ... Democrat, union leader, actor, late night commercial king, a Hollywood player, divorced, a pregnant girlfriend, the way he treated his children .... not the stuff of evangelical teachings. To this day you're giving him a mulligan.
Respectfully, you know nothing of Trump supporters .... except what you've twisted to fit your rather narrow worldview.
There is one oath I want an elected politician to uphold above all others: to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. How a couple lives their marital vows is not up to me or my concern. It really shouldn't be your concern either.
Our government is a cesspool because of corruption ... a breach of the oath I cited above .... not because of sex. Jimmy Carter, the staunchest example of the moral Christian man was a complete eff-up in office and the world, especially the Middle East, is still paying the price.
I'd rather a flawed man who fights for the nation he loves over a religious missionary. Given a choice, I'll choose the flawed doer. Like Churchill. Like Reagan. Like Trump.
To this day you're giving him a mulligan.
The man is dead. What are you talking about? A mulligan is a do over. How can I give a dead man a do over? LOL!
Respectfully, you know nothing of Trump supporters .... except what you've twisted to fit your rather narrow worldview.
I know a lot about Trump supporters. I learned it right here and at TOS. There is nothing respectful about what you said to me there. It was a personal insult. I have never insulted you in this manner and there is no excuse for it. This is what Trump does and it is obviously what his supporters do as well. I must have hit too close to the truth.
Our government is a cesspool because of corruption ... a breach of the oath I cited above .... not because of sex.
That was what was said to excuse Clinton as well. No, it is not about sex. It is about adultery. And yes corruption as well. Trump will make the Clintons look like amateurs. It IS my concern when the POTUS cheats on his wife. As I have said before, if a man will lie to his wife he will easily lie to anyone.
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To this day you're giving him a mulligan.
The man is dead. What are you talking about? A mulligan is a do over. How can I give a dead man a do over? LOL!
Respectfully, you know nothing of Trump supporters .... except what you've twisted to fit your rather narrow worldview.
I know a lot about Trump supporters. I learned it right here and at TOS. There is nothing respectful about what you said to me there. It was a personal insult. I have never insulted you in this manner and there is no excuse for it. This is what Trump does and it is obviously what his supporters do as well. I must have hit too close to the truth.
Our government is a cesspool because of corruption ... a breach of the oath I cited above .... not because of sex.
That was what was said to excuse Clinton as well. No, it is not about sex. It is about adultery. And yes corruption as well. Trump will make the Clintons look like amateurs. It IS my concern when the POTUS cheats on his wife. As I have said before, if a man will lie to his wife he will easily lie to anyone.
@ConservativeGranny
Whats your solution? because of the garbage they have to put up with few 'decent' people run for office.
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... That was what was said to excuse Clinton as well. No, it is not about sex. It is about adultery. And yes corruption as well. Trump will make the Clintons look like amateurs. It IS my concern when the POTUS cheats on his wife. As I have said before, if a man will lie to his wife he will easily lie to anyone.
My best advice to you @ConservativeGranny ----
Evaluate the President on his accomplishments and the promises kept he made to the American people.
Raise your children to be the Christian you would like them to be without dictating to others what that Christian should be.
Stop looking for politicians to validate your personal choices.
And what goes on between any married couple is not your concern. If you can't stop crawling around other people's bedrooms .... please, at least stop doing it in the name of Jesus.
That's all.
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"That hard-to-be-governed passion of youth had hurried me frequently into intrigues with low women that fell in my way."
Benjamin Franklin
Thank God he never ran for POTUS.
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@Night Hides Not
Its not leading us anywhere. We've permitted and encouraged immoral politicians for decades.
But lets say we don't support him. What are the options? He's still the President. Should we not support his move to pull money from the UN? To speak out for the right to life organizations? To cut taxes?
You wise up and don't make the same mistake twice.
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Clinton was bashed for perjury before a federal judge and obstruction of justice. Crimes. He broke his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. If the Clinton "episode" had been about sex, even in the Oval Office, it would not have risen to the level of an impeachable offense.
As for Obama ... he, too, by all reports, broke his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. The jury, quite literally, has yet to rule.
You folks are engaging in the same kind of defining deviancy down the the Left has done for years, simply because it's YOUR GUY now. A 'jury' will never rule on what you used to assert was justice or the upholding of an oath of office to defend the Constitution when the goalposts over what is acceptable keeps getting moved.
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Thank God he never ran for POTUS.
Yeah. He was a real piece of shit. Thank God he is burning in hell now.
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You wise up and don't make the same mistake twice.
@ConservativeGranny
Yeah thats a winning strategy on this subject.
Man it must be nice to be perfect and sinless.
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You folks are engaging in the same kind of defining deviancy down the the Left has done for years, simply because it's YOUR GUY now. A 'jury' will never rule on what you used to assert was justice or the upholding of an oath of office to defend the Constitution when the goalposts over what is acceptable keeps getting moved.
@INVAR
I'll let you know when Jesus runs for office. Until then i'll vote for the best mortal person available.
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My best advice to you @ConservativeGranny ----
Evaluate the President on his accomplishments and the promises kept he made to the American people.
Raise your children to be the Christian you would like them to be without dictating to others what that Christian should be.
Stop looking for politicians to validate your personal choices.
And what goes on between any married couple is not your concern. If you can't stop crawling around other people's bedrooms .... please, at least stop doing it in the name of Jesus.
That's all.
I am evaluating Trump and I'm not impressed. Far from it. And as to what goes on in Trump's sex life? It is our business when he is the POTUS. This type of activity not only points to untruthfulness and moral failing but it also leaves the POTUS open to blackmail and to having to make secret payoffs to cover up his affairs. This should concern us all. Trump also seems to want everyone to know about his serial adultery as he brags about it in his books. So he made it everyone's business when he couldn't keep his big mouth shut because of his insecurities and bragging. Trump sees no shame in his actions. He wears his infidelity like a badge of honor. I didn't crawl into his bedroom he invited us in.
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@ConservativeGranny
Yeah thats a winning strategy on this subject.
Man it must be nice to be perfect and sinless.
I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.
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Yeah. He was a real piece of shit. Thank God he is burning in hell now.
@Frank Cannon Frank, are you capable of posting without using foul language?
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I'll let you know when Jesus runs for office.
No thanks. He’s always playing the martyr and has a God complex.
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No thanks. He’s always playing the martyr and has a God complex.
That ought to get a rise out of him.
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That ought to get a rise out of him.
Already did
(He is Risen)
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That ought to get a rise out of him.
Too many opportunities will slip through his hands.
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@INVAR
I'll let you know when Jesus runs for office. Until then i'll vote for the best mortal person available.
The problem with that: When casting calls go out for "Jesus," 16 candidates will show up, to select from.
And there will be no absolute guarantee the "real Jesus" will be among them.
Or we could just leave it to Tony Perkins and Benny Hinn.
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Already did
(He is Risen)
You're only as good as your last miracle.
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So you would only support a sinless politician?
I do not support or trust a politician that has a demonstrable lack character and the fruits of someone that does not champion the same principles I do.
I'll let you know when Jesus runs for office. Until then i'll vote for the best mortal person available.
You vote for whomever the hell you want to vote for.
If you think that I will only vote for Jesus because my own litmus test discards your chosen politician as someone deserving my support, then you go think that.
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@Frank Cannon Frank, are you capable of posting without using foul language?
Eff no.
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I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.
@ConservativeGranny
Actually it shows you don't have a point. We are all sinners yet you behave as if you're perfect. You judge other people for their mistakes but have no solution. Nothing to do but throw stones from your glass house.
I fought against trump in the primaries. He won and is the President. So exactly why are you sitting their gossiping and throwing conjecture around? You're taking the word of a porn star who through her own words is proven to be a liar, to condemn Trump. A porn star.... lol seriously?
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Eff no.
@Frank Cannon
Screw you Frank for your piss poor diction
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You're only as good as your last miracle.
@Wingnut
I've yet to see anyone do better. I think he's got it
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I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.
That's a positive spin on being a jackass. Good for you making lemonade out of lemons.
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I do not support or trust a politician that has a demonstrable lack character and the fruits of someone that does not champion the same principles I do.
You vote for whomever the hell you want to vote for.
If you think that I will only vote for Jesus because my own litmus test discards your chosen politician as someone deserving my support, then you go think that.
@INVAR
LOL oh man don;t get angry because I've once again pointed out the fallacy of your position. Someday a perfect candidate will sign up and then you can come down form your ivory tower.
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@INVAR
LOL oh man don;t get angry because I've once again pointed out the fallacy of your position. Someday a perfect candidate will sign up and then you can come down form your ivory tower.
Oh yes, because choosing persons of demonstrably debased character simply because their voter base thinks they are going to give them what they promise has done absolute wonders for the country.
It is absolutely AMAZING that you Trumpians can spout word-for-word argumentative insults verbatim that the hardcore Godless Left flings simply because we do not support your chosen politician or position.
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@Night Hides Not
Its not leading us anywhere. We've permitted and encouraged immoral politicians for decades.
But lets say we don't support him. What are the options? He's still the President. Should we not support his move to pull money from the UN? To speak out for the right to life organizations? To cut taxes?
When I think about challenging Trump’s republican critics with your insightful questions, I fully expect the answers to constitute a paradox: “I love his conservative victories! He’s a moronic jackass!â€
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We are talking about Presidential mulligans @ConservativeGranny Reagan was a President who at the time lived a rather unconventional life for a "conservative" ... Democrat, union leader, actor, late night commercial king, a Hollywood player, divorced, a pregnant girlfriend, the way he treated his children .... not the stuff of evangelical teachings. To this day you're giving him a mulligan.
Respectfully, you know nothing of Trump supporters .... except what you've twisted to fit your rather narrow worldview.
There is one oath I want an elected politician to uphold above all others: to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. How a couple lives their marital vows is not up to me or my concern. It really shouldn't be your concern either.
Our government is a cesspool because of corruption ... a breach of the oath I cited above .... not because of sex. Jimmy Carter, the staunchest example of the moral Christian man was a complete eff-up in office and the world, especially the Middle East, is still paying the price.
I'd rather a flawed man who fights for the nation he loves over a religious missionary. Given a choice, I'll choose the flawed doer. Like Churchill. Like Reagan. Like Trump.
....Boom!
! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8pZklcho378#)
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@ConservativeGranny
Actually it shows you don't have a point. We are all sinners yet you behave as if you're perfect. You judge other people for their mistakes but have no solution. Nothing to do but throw stones from your glass house.
I fought against trump in the primaries. He won and is the President. So exactly why are you sitting their gossiping and throwing conjecture around? You're taking the word of a porn star who through her own words is proven to be a liar, to condemn Trump. A porn star.... lol seriously?
And you are taking the word of a reality tv star and known liar who cheated on his previous two wives as well. I've listed my points time and time again. You don't agree with them obviously and that is fine with me. You have a right to your own opinion. I never said that we were not all sinners and never said I was perfect either but I have never cheated on my spouse. There is nothing wrong with using judgement. We use judgement and discretion all of the time. It is part of the process of making good choices and it is what juries do.
The choices that the POTUS makes in his personal life and his lack of morality can affect the people is is supposed to be serving in many ways. Like I said, it leaves him open for blackmail for example Russia could use that information to pressure Trump to make decisions that favor Russia but put the US in danger. If Trump wasn't the POTUS I could care less how many times he was cheating on his wife but his life became an open book when he chose to run for the position. So you see, I have a point. I have several. You don't agree with them.
And you are wrong again. I did have a solution. One of them was to stop electing people just because they belong to your team. There were other choices besides Donald Trump. When moral men are presented to the people the people don't seem to want them. I think we are getting the leadership that reflects our society as a whole and it isn't flattering. The only way to change this is to stop doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results just because the guy is batting for your team. Especially when your team hasn't shown that they have any higher standards of morality than the other guy. You don't like that solution that's okay too. I don't expect die-hard supporters to change their minds about Trump no matter what he does.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
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We have to at least give Trump credit on this for hiring only the best, making sure the jobs go to Americans, and keep in his word on increased domestic drilling.
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We have to at least give Trump credit on this for hiring only the best, making sure the jobs go to Americans, and keep in his word on increased domestic drilling.
It was a dry well.
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In the first place, the media completely hid JFK's dalliances from the average American, and Conservative Christians didn't know a thing about his rampant immorality.
In the second place, I was a part of the Evangelical community during those years (I'm betting you weren't), and no way under Heaven would that kind of licentious behavior be given any kind of pass.
You are confusing your feelings with historical reality, @Frank Cannon .
Just because YOU don't care about immoral "leaders" doesn't mean that others didn't/don't.
When Clinton was in office, Christians were up in arms because of his sexual predation and infidelity.
Now, supposedly the same people are giving the SAME BEHAVIOR a pass in Trump.
If it is true (and it is with some), then it means the Church in America is on the decline (or totally destroyed).
btw, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I cannot be insulted or cursed into retreat on Biblical truth.
You can keep trying to shame me for believing that God's Word means what it says, but it's never, ever going to work.
It's just flailing.
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In the first place, the media completely hid JFK's dalliances from the average American, and Conservative Christians didn't know a thing about his rampant immorality.
In the second place, I was a part of the Evangelical community during those years (I'm betting you weren't), and no way under Heaven would that kind of licentious behavior be given any kind of pass.
You are confusing your feelings with historical reality, @Frank Cannon .
Just because YOU don't care about immoral "leaders" doesn't mean that others didn't/don't.
When Clinton was in office, Christians were up in arms because of his sexual predation and infidelity.
Now, supposedly the same people are giving the SAME BEHAVIOR a pass in Trump.
If it is true (and it is with some), then it means the Church in America is on the decline (or totally destroyed).
btw, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I cannot be insulted or cursed into retreat on Biblical truth.
You can keep trying to shame me for believing that God's Word means what it says, but it's never, ever going to work.
It's just flailing.
Well said.
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I always know that I hit a home run when the personal insults start. Keep them coming. It proves my point.
That's exactly what's happening here.
Anybody who has moral standards and still supports Trump, KNOWS they are defying their own values by defending him on this.
It is guilt that leads them to vomit their personal insults, and yes...... It proves your point completely.
All they would have to say is that, "I used to have moral values, but I've set them aside for political goals." That, at least would be honest. But mocking people who still hold to the same values they once did is a sign of weakness and defeat.
@ConservativeGranny
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Well said.
Thank you.
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Anybody who has moral standards and still supports Trump, KNOWS they are defying their own values by defending him on this.
It is guilt that leads them to vomit their personal insults, and yes...... It proves your point completely.
All they would have to say is that, "I used to have moral values, but I've set them aside for political goals." That, at least would be honest. But mocking people who still hold to the same values they once did is a sign of weakness and defeat.
Well @musiclady the Sanhedrin wing of Christianity hasn't and will not garner enough power to change our Republic into a Theocracy. I hope you find a way to deal with it.
But, in the meantime, thank God --- it looks like an angel directs this whirlwind still. :0001:
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We have to at least give Trump credit on this for hiring only the best, making sure the jobs go to Americans, and keep in his word on increased domestic drilling.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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Well @musiclady the Sanhedrin wing of Christianity hasn't and will not garner enough power to change our Republic into a Theocracy. I hope you find a way to deal with it.
So now you are using actual Atheist/Leftist talking points now to shame those governed by religious morality and principles you demand they set aside to support your prince?????
I find it very revealing that so many of you Trumpians have so much in common with your average Godless Leftist. It REALLY burns you people that those who are governed by their biblical faith won't abandon it to support a policy or someone you demand they support, so you insult their faith and accuse them of everything from imposing a theocracy to shoving our morality by the point of a gun down everyone's throat.
Simply because we will not genuflect your prince.
Pathetic.
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And you are taking the word of a reality tv star and known liar who cheated on his previous two wives as well. I've listed my points time and time again. You don't agree with them obviously and that is fine with me. You have a right to your own opinion. I never said that we were not all sinners and never said I was perfect either but I have never cheated on my spouse. There is nothing wrong with using judgement. We use judgement and discretion all of the time. It is part of the process of making good choices and it is what juries do.
The choices that the POTUS makes in his personal life and his lack of morality can affect the people is is supposed to be serving in many ways. Like I said, it leaves him open for blackmail for example Russia could use that information to pressure Trump to make decisions that favor Russia but put the US in danger. If Trump wasn't the POTUS I could care less how many times he was cheating on his wife but his life became an open book when he chose to run for the position. So you see, I have a point. I have several. You don't agree with them.
And you are wrong again. I did have a solution. One of them was to stop electing people just because they belong to your team. There were other choices besides Donald Trump. When moral men are presented to the people the people don't seem to want them. I think we are getting the leadership that reflects our society as a whole and it isn't flattering. The only way to change this is to stop doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results just because the guy is batting for your team. Especially when your team hasn't shown that they have any higher standards of morality than the other guy. You don't like that solution that's okay too. I don't expect die-hard supporters to change their minds about Trump no matter what he does.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
@ConservativeGranny
You're talking like we have a choice of who is President right now today. We don't, he won and he's President.
So you can continue to rant and rave about his every flaw and help the dems push forward their agenda. Maybe that isn't your intent but it's the facts.
Or you can work with what we've got and encourage him to make the right decisions going forward. So far he's shown himself remarkably willing to listen to conservatives. More so then any President since Reagan.
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So now you are using actual Atheist/Leftist talking points now to shame those governed by religious morality and principles you demand they set aside to support your prince?????
I find it very revealing that so many of you Trumpians have so much in common with your average Godless Leftist. It REALLY burns you people that those who are governed by their biblical faith won't abandon it to support a policy or someone you demand they support, so you insult their faith and accuse them of everything from imposing a theocracy to shoving our morality by the point of a gun down everyone's throat.
Simply because we will not genuflect your prince.
Pathetic.
For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.
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For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.
Yes bit just about all you for do is criticize. Sujn up to sun down. No deep discussion just finger wagging.
And ironically you seem to wake up and look to see what the leftists are hollering about that day before deciding what to criticize.
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@ConservativeGranny
You're talking like we have a choice of who is President right now today. We don't, he won and he's President.
So you can continue to rant and rave about his every flaw and help the dems push forward their agenda. Maybe that isn't your intent but it's the facts.
Or you can work with what we've got and encourage him to make the right decisions going forward. So far he's shown himself remarkably willing to listen to conservatives. More so then any President since Reagan.
Ah, but there's a significant difference between recognizing that we have been dealt a bad hand and have to deal with it, and mocking others who continue to maintain the moral values that you once had yourself.
Why do you do the latter?
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So now you are using actual Atheist/Leftist talking points now to shame those governed by religious morality and principles you demand they set aside to support your prince?????
I find it very revealing that so many of you Trumpians have so much in common with your average Godless Leftist. It REALLY burns you people that those who are governed by their biblical faith won't abandon it to support a policy or someone you demand they support, so you insult their faith and accuse them of everything from imposing a theocracy to shoving our morality by the point of a gun down everyone's throat.
Simply because we will not genuflect your prince.
Pathetic.
The left always brings up "theocracy" when they know they have lost the argument against morality.
It's as idiotic as any accusation ever leveled at moral people who expect the same in their leaders. That we have to support debauchery, or we are demanding a theocracy.
Just lame brained..... **nononono*
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Ah, but there's a significant difference between recognizing that we have been dealt a bad hand and have to deal with it, and mocking others who continue to maintain the moral values that you once had yourself.
Why do you do the latter?
@musiclady
Disagreement isn't mocking. I was taught that in gradeschool.
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For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.
It seems pretty straightforward, doesn't it?
Why all the dancing around to make excuses for what one once condemned? :shrug:
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The left always brings up "theocracy" when they know they have lost the argument against morality.
It's as idiotic as any accusation ever leveled at moral people who expect the same in their leaders. That we have to support debauchery, or we are demanding a theocracy.
Just lame brained..... **nononono*
Everything you post tries to prove your thesis that the United States must be a Christian nation ... and a Christian as defined by you.
That is a theocracy. And yes, your thesis IS lame brained.
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It seems pretty straightforward, doesn't it?
Why all the dancing around to make excuses for what one once condemned? :shrug:
Where does a Christian get the right, never mind the power, to condemn another living soul? @musiclady
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@musiclady
Disagreement isn't mocking. I was taught that in gradeschool.
OK. You weren't mocking anyone here.
Right. :shrug:
(Except that "when I was in grade school" stuff).
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You're talking like we have a choice of who is President right now today. We don't, he won and he's President.
So you can continue to rant and rave about his every flaw and help the dems push forward their agenda.
Ahhhh, so once again the Trumpians insist that any criticizing of Trump hurts the Prez and helps the Democrats.
That's plain bovine excrement pal, by the mouth of the leaders of your Trump cheerleader squad right here on this board.
Not only were we told that Trump does not need our *GD support*, we were recently told right here on the board that not only does Trump not need or want our support, any support we gave Trump would hurt *Trump's "brand"*.
Your own fellow followers of Trump contradict your silly assertion.
Or you can work with what we've got and encourage him to make the right decisions going forward.
As if Trump listens to anyone but himself and his own ego to begin with.
Once again, your fellows just told us that Trump does not need our *GD support* and that we would hurt *Trump's brand* if we did support him on anything.
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For the record, I'm not that religious, however, the reason why I think it is an issue, is that I would like be consistent. If I criticize Bill Clinton for his behavior than I have to criticize Trump for his behavior.
I am not that religious either. And I have no illusions that all men, even men we otherwise respect are necessarily perfect especially in their sex lives.
However, I do find it strange and hypercritical that a pastor would use a term like “mulligan†to excuse Trump’s very real and alleged marital infidelities especially considering what Trump has unrepentantly said himself about them and said he thinks he doesn’t need to ask for forgiveness from God.
If someone confesses their sin and repents and goes on to sin no more, that I can understand a pastor or man of God saying the sinner is forgiven, but a "mulligan"? I don't recall Jesus ever using that term or saying…. “Bear with each other and give a mulligan to one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Give a mulligan as the Lord gave a mulligan to you.â€
And for what it's worth, as someone who plays the game, in golf, a mulligan is actually against the rules. It is typically a bad tee shot that someone doesn't count as a stroke and takes over as if the first one never happened and people who take mulligans in golf are known as cheaters. And FWIW, Trump has been known as doing just that - cheating in golf by not counting all his strokes and not playing by the rules.
But the even bigger issue to me, lest anyone loses sight of it, was the (alleged) payoff for the silence.
If he’s willing to pay off whores to keep his sexcapades silent, who else and for what else is he willing to pay off? Think about that.
With Nixon and Clinton, it was the cover up and the lying about the cover up that nailed them.
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Ahhhh, so once again the Trumpians insist that any criticizing of Trump hurts the Prez and helps the Democrats.
That's plain bovine excrement pal, by the mouth of the leaders of your Trump cheerleader squad right here on this board.
Not only were we told that Trump does not need our *GD support*, we were recently told right here on the board that not only does Trump not need or want our support, any support we gave Trump would hurt *Trump's "brand"*.
Your own fellow followers of Trump contradict your silly assertion.
As if Trump listens to anyone but himself and his own ego to begin with.
Once again, your fellows just told us that Trump does not need our *GD support* and that we would hurt *Trump's brand* if we did support him on anything.
Who cares what other people who hold similar views might have said?
Their posts do not in any way invalidate one poster's opinion.
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Who cares what other people who hold similar views might have said?
Their posts do not in any way invalidate one poster's opinion.
No, but apparently our posts DO somehow magically hurt Trump and advance the Democrat agenda according to some.
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In the first place, the media completely hid JFK's dalliances from the average American, and Conservative Christians didn't know a thing about his rampant immorality.
In the second place, I was a part of the Evangelical community during those years (I'm betting you weren't), and no way under Heaven would that kind of licentious behavior be given any kind of pass.
You are confusing your feelings with historical reality, @Frank Cannon .
Just because YOU don't care about immoral "leaders" doesn't mean that others didn't/don't.
When Clinton was in office, Christians were up in arms because of his sexual predation and infidelity.
Now, supposedly the same people are giving the SAME BEHAVIOR a pass in Trump.
If it is true (and it is with some), then it means the Church in America is on the decline (or totally destroyed).
btw, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I cannot be insulted or cursed into retreat on Biblical truth.
You can keep trying to shame me for believing that God's Word means what it says, but it's never, ever going to work.
It's just flailing.
You're right. I need to follow the leadership of Evangelicals from back in your good old days. They knew what they were talking about with moral leadership.....
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Jim Bakker seems apropos here, since after the Jessica Hahn incident, we discovered PTL stood for Pay The Lady.
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In related news, Ken Copeland got his new jet!
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html)
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Jim Bakker seems apropos here, since after the Jessica Hahn incident, we discovered PTL stood for Pay The Lady.
Jesus Saves and Jessica Puts Out.
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You're right. I need to follow the leadership of Evangelicals from back in your good old days. They knew what they were talking about with moral leadership.....
That reminds me , I need to list a few religious relics I received as "pledge gifts" On Ebay tonight. After sending my generous offering to Rev. "Little" Ed Pemberton, of the Church of the Mighty Struggle, I received two John the Baptist shower curtains. A set of The World is Coming to an End lawn furniture, and a St. Peter and Paul spice rack. . Anyone have a suggested "Buy It Now" price for my religious items?
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In related news, Ken Copeland got his new jet!
https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article195841759.html)
The Jesus business is doing well....
The jet, one church member said, is “the plane the Lord had set aside†for the ministry, based in Newark, Texas.
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... I don't recall Jesus ever using that term or saying…. “Bear with each other and give a mulligan to one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Give a mulligan as the Lord gave a mulligan to you...â€
:silly: :silly:
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That reminds me , I need to list a few religious relics I received as "pledge gifts" On Ebay tonight. After sending my generous offering to Rev. "Little" Ed Pemberton, of the Church of the Mighty Struggle, I received two John the Baptist shower curtains. A set of The World is Coming to an End lawn furniture, and a St. Peter and Paul spice rack. . Anyone have a suggested "Buy It Now" price for my religious items?
I think the lowest base price on such 'blessed merchandise' is a minimum "love gift" of $500.00
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That reminds me , I need to list a few religious relics I received as "pledge gifts" On Ebay tonight. After sending my generous offering to Rev. "Little" Ed Pemberton, of the Church of the Mighty Struggle, I received two John the Baptist shower curtains. A set of The World is Coming to an End lawn furniture, and a St. Peter and Paul spice rack. . Anyone have a suggested "Buy It Now" price for my religious items?
No wonder you are having bad fortune and need to sell your holy relics. You didn't get Peter Popoff's Miracle Spring Water. If you did, you would be rolling in dough....
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Jesus Saves and Jessica Puts Out.
Former Pentecostal preacher-turned-comedian Sam Kinison knew both to be true........
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Where does a Christian get the right, never mind the power, to condemn another living soul? @musiclady
Does not the scripture say "If your brother sins, rebuke him?"
Did not the Apostle Paul tell the church of Corinth to not even eat with those engaged in sexual sin?
You yourself have preached that Trump is a Christian. Should we not denounce his behavior?
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Where does a Christian get the right, never mind the power, to condemn another living soul? @musiclady
From Christ?
Matthew 18:15-17
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Does not the scripture say "If your brother sins, rebuke him?"
Did not the Apostle Paul tell the church of Corinth to not even eat with those engaged in sexual sin?
You yourself have preached that Trump is a Christian. Should we not denounce his behavior?
@jmyrlefuller
Its funny how the issue the NTs are denouncing always happens to be on the same subject that the left is pushing that day.
Irony
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@jmyrlefuller
Its funny how the issue the NTs are denouncing always happens to be on the same subject that the left is pushing that day.
Irony
"That day?" Come on; we've known about this kind of behavior for years. Karen McDougal got the same kind of hush money back in 2016.
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No wonder you are having bad fortune and need to sell your holy relics. You didn't get Peter Popoff's Miracle Spring Water. If you did, you would be rolling in dough....
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Sadly, they were sold out of the new Larger Size of the water. So I ordered the Popoff Miracle Manna instead. Now based on the claims, Miracle Manna is cake from heaven that empowers you to do God’s will. Also it would cause people to write large checks to me for reasons unknown. As if that wasn't enough, All my dreams were to come true.
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@jmyrlefuller
Its funny how the issue the NTs are denouncing always happens to be on the same subject that the left is pushing that day.
Irony
We think it's funny that ATs always happen to use the same talking points as the Left to excuse, justify and exonerate their politicians' bad behavior.
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From Christ?
Matthew 18:15-17
Doesn't Matt talk about a person sinning against you personally and that you should have a personal chat about it first?
Since this whole thread is based on rumors and innuendo, I would think this would be more appropriate....
Proverbs 17:4 Whoever practices evil pays attention to wicked speech, and the liar listens to malicious talk.
Exodus 23:1 “You must not pass along false rumors. You must not cooperate with evil people by lying on the witness stand.
Proverbs 6:14 Their perverted hearts plot evil, and they constantly stir up trouble.
Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
Put that in your bible and smoke it.
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Sadly, they were sold out of the new Larger Size of the water. So I ordered the Popoff Miracle Manna instead. Now based on the claims, Miracle Manna is cake from heaven that empowers you to do God’s will. Also it would cause people to write large checks to me for reasons unknown. As if that wasn't enough, All my dreams were to come true.
God provides to those with a checking account or access to money orders.
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I am not that religious either. And I have no illusions that all men, even men we otherwise respect are necessarily perfect especially in their sex lives.
However, I do find it strange and hypercritical that a pastor would use a term like “mulligan†to excuse Trump’s very real and alleged marital infidelities especially considering what Trump has unrepentantly said himself about them and said he thinks he doesn’t need to ask for forgiveness from God.
If someone confesses their sin and repents and goes on to sin no more, that I can understand a pastor or man of God saying the sinner is forgiven, but a "mulligan"? I don't recall Jesus ever using that term or saying…. “Bear with each other and give a mulligan to one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Give a mulligan as the Lord gave a mulligan to you.â€
And for what it's worth, as someone who plays the game, in golf, a mulligan is actually against the rules. It is typically a bad tee shot that someone doesn't count as a stroke and takes over as if the first one never happened and people who take mulligans in golf are known as cheaters. And FWIW, Trump has been known as doing just that - cheating in golf by not counting all his strokes and not playing by the rules.
But the even bigger issue to me, lest anyone loses sight of it, was the (alleged) payoff for the silence.
If he’s willing to pay off whores to keep his sexcapades silent, who else and for what else is he willing to pay off? Think about that.
With Nixon and Clinton, it was the cover up and the lying about the cover up that nailed them.
To be fair, I'm not sure if the story is true or not, however, if it is true, that is good. It is not the act, but the cover up is what gets you in trouble.
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To be fair, I'm not sure if the story is true or not, however, if it is true, that is good. It is not the act, but the cover up is what gets you in trouble.
Really? What type of punishment is there for a 12 year old affair being covered up? Will he lose his gig on The Apprentice? Will Melania divorce him retroactively and abort Barron?
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Well @musiclady the Sanhedrin wing of Christianity hasn't and will not garner enough power to change our Republic into a Theocracy. I hope you find a way to deal with it.
But, in the meantime, thank God --- it looks like an angel directs this whirlwind still. :0001:
I was unaware there was a Sanhedrin wing of Christianity.
Personally, I think you are deliberately insulting musiclady by suggesting she longs for a theocracy. I have read nothing of the sort in her posts.
IMO, it is Trump supporters desiring a theocracy, led by Mr. Trump himself.
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You're right. I need to follow the leadership of Evangelicals from back in your good old days. They knew what they were talking about with moral leadership.....
I'm talking about actual evangelical people........ not the phony entertainers in your photos.
But then you probably knew that and are just playing another one of your stupid games.
I ain't playing.
And I'm not giving up eternal values because of a rude internet provocateur like you.
You might as well stop trying, Frank.
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I'm talking about actual evangelical people........ not the phony entertainers in your photos.
Sliding scale on who is an Evangelical or not? That seems fairly Christian like.
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Sliding scale on who is an Evangelical or not? That seems fairly Christian like.
You must think I'm extraordinarily stupid if you think I'm going to be sucked into your gotcha game.
If you think JFK's horrid behavior was known about and approved by Evangelical Christians and you actually think the jerks whose photographs you posted represent Christ, and His followers, then I'm not the one suffering from stupidity.
Again.......... your games are as transparent as your arguments are shallow and meaningless.
Not playing.
You're just wrong, and I'm pretty sure you know it. Maybe you should stick to your forte and just post dirty pictures and say dirty words and stay away from meaningful conversations, eh??
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Really? What type of punishment is there for a 12 year old affair being covered up? Will he lose his gig on The Apprentice? Will Melania divorce him retroactively and abort Barron?
What I find amusing is that a fella who has been divorced several times due to the fact he cannot honor his own marriage vows, and bragged about bedding other mens' wives, can be so tiresome in their efforts to insist that he can be trusted to keep his oath of office and his campaign promises by ridiculing and shaming those who don't.
Because you know.... compartmentalization. Just because a guy is a slime ball in his personal and professional life, does not mean he will be a slime ball when in elective office it is said.
The whole idea of mulligans for bad behavior in order to exonerate a performance in office was considered stupid by Conservatives when Herr Schlicklinton was busy staining blue dresses at one time. However, apparently today a similar pattern and history of behavior is now viewed as a High Office resume enhancer, just as Democrats do.
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What I find amusing is that a fella who has been divorced several times due to the fact he cannot honor his own marriage vows, and bragged about bedding other mens' wives, can be so tiresome in their efforts to insist that he can be trusted to keep his oath of office and his campaign promises by ridiculing and shaming those who don't.
Because you know.... compartmentalization. Just because a guy is a slime ball in his personal and professional life, does not mean he will be a slime ball when in elective office it is said.
The whole idea of mulligans for bad behavior in order to exonerate a performance in office was considered stupid by Conservatives when Herr Schlicklinton was busy staining blue dresses at one time. However, apparently today a similar pattern and history of behavior is now viewed as a High Office resume enhancer, just as Democrats do.
You are just upset that no one gives a shit about your latest daily grievance about Trump. Sucks to be you.
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You are just upset that no one gives a shit about your latest daily grievance about Trump. Sucks to be you.
What grievance about Trump would that be Frank?
Usually I'm commenting about what other people have to say about an issue related to a Trump thing or yet another 'you suck because you don't support Trump' thread - not usually something said or done by Trump himself.
Unless of course his thumbs act stupidly - which they do from time to time.
Then there are issues bigger than Trump that garner my undivided attentions and grievances, usually revolving around liberty and core Christian/Conservative principles.
But of course - then there are the threads you end up convulsing my funny bone with your schtick, of which I particularly enjoy when encountered.
It is in those instances that you make my suckage less sucky.
So thank you, for that.
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What grievance about Trump would that be Frank?
Usually I'm commenting about what other people have to say about an issue related to a Trump thing or yet another 'you suck because you don't support Trump' thread - not usually something said or done by Trump himself.
Unless of course his thumbs act stupidly - which they do from time to time.
Then there are issues bigger than Trump that garner my undivided attentions and grievances, usually revolving around liberty and core Christian/Conservative principles.
But of course - then there are the threads you end up convulsing my funny bone with your schtick, of which I particularly enjoy when encountered.
It is in those instances that you make my suckage less sucky.
So thank you, for that.
Well then I guess you have little or no confidence in your faith since you need some elected official to be your moral compass.
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I know how we can settle this once and for all. Let us ask Trump's own spiritual advisor Paula White. :rolling:
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-spiritual-adviser-paula-white-suggests-people-send-her-salary-775228?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-spiritual-adviser-paula-white-suggests-people-send-her-salary-775228?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social)
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Well then I guess you have little or no confidence in your faith since you need some elected official to be your moral compass.
The time for this discussion is during the primaries. This "event" didn't occur during the campaign.
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The time for this discussion is during the primaries. This "event" didn't occur during the campaign.
The "payoff" did.
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Well then I guess you have little or no confidence in your faith since you need some elected official to be your moral compass.
What're you drinking' tonight Frank? I assume you have had a goodly amount to have gleaned that from anything I have ever posted online.
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The "payoff" did.
The payoff she said she didn't get?
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The payoff she said she didn't get?
You mean in the hilariously typed note where she signed with her porn name and did everything but put a heart over the 'i' in Daniels? I suppose she can say she didn't get the payment, since Cohen transferred the funds to 'Peggy Peterson.'
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The payoff she said she didn't get?
The payoff she said she didn't get from Trump. She allegedly actually got the payoff from an LLC funded by Trump's personal attorney.
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The payoff she said she didn't get?
So now she's credible? Admit it @driftdiver Our President is a sucker for big boobs.
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So now she's credible? Admit it @driftdiver Our President is a sucker for big boobs.
@corbe
Most men are
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Stormy started the process to challenge Vitter in 2010. Gives new definition to ‘exploratory committee.’
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Franklin Graham has weighed in similarly.......
Even If Trump Cheated On Melania, ‘All Of Us Are Sinners,’ Says Evangelical Leader
President Donald Trump continues to receive evangelical support even after his alleged 2006 affair with adult film star Stormy Daniels because he is a “changed person,†one leader of the religion said.
“All of us are sinners,†Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, said in a CNN interview Tuesday night.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/even-trump-cheated-melania-us-184211799.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/even-trump-cheated-melania-us-184211799.html)
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Are we looking for a religious leader or a political leader?
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As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy. From Eugene Robinson:
After all, Perkins’ predecessor at the Family Research Council, Gary Bauer, said this when Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky was revealed in 1998: “Character counts — in a people, in the institutions of our society, and in our national leadership.â€
Apparently it only counts when a Democrat is in the White House, not a Republican. I’m still looking for the Bible verse that spells out this distinction, but it must be in there somewhere.
Unfortunately, I think he's right.
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/)
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Are we looking for a religious leader or a political leader?
As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy.
Compartmentalization is mainstream now.
Interesting how Trump's supporters have adopted it as eagerly as the Left did under Clinton and Obama after spending decades complaining about people who did so.
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As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy. From Eugene Robinson:
Unfortunately, I think he's right.
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/)
Of course character counts, it always has and it always will. Thats why I didn't support Trump in the primaries.
So what option do you offer? What solution do you propose?
Do you continue to fight against everything Trump does because of his past mistakes or do you try to make the best of it. Trumps actions since being elected have largely been good. Do you throw that all away and hope that next time you can get the perfect candidate?
Whats your plan to actually get that 'perfect' candidate elected? Knowing all the time that your perfect candidate is considered deeply flawed by the next guy.
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Compartmentalization is mainstream now.
Interesting how Trump's supporters have adopted it as eagerly as the Left did under Clinton and Obama after spending decades complaining about people who did so.
It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.
Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.
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As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy. From Eugene Robinson:
Unfortunately, I think he's right.
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/ (https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/)
I'm afraid so..
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It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.
Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.
@Frank Cannon
I saw this as a born again evangelic Christian. Damn right!
All these holier then thou's perfect people do more to push people away from Jesus then anything else.
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It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.
Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.
Word!
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Of course character counts, it always has and it always will. Thats why I didn't support Trump in the primaries.
So what option do you offer? What solution do you propose?
Do you continue to fight against everything Trump does because of his past mistakes or do you try to make the best of it. Trumps actions since being elected have largely been good. Do you throw that all away and hope that next time you can get the perfect candidate?
Whats your plan to actually get that 'perfect' candidate elected? Knowing all the time that your perfect candidate is considered deeply flawed by the next guy.
I simply recommend consistency. My principles are my principles. They don’t change as a result of the jersey being worn by a politician. If my principles were fungible, I’d certainly expect the Left to use that hypocrisy against me. I just strive for consistent principles and positions rather than handing the Left ammunition to use against me. I don't expect the "perfect candidate" but when the candidate (or the person in office) does or says something I've criticized in the past, I don't remain silent simply because it's "my guy".
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It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.
Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.
:thumbsup:
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Franklin is engaging in a bit of willful denial, if he believes Trump is a changed man. Fine - the incident took place in 2006, but the payment to cover it up was in late 2016. Let's say none of that ever happened.
What we do know to be true is he said some interesting things to Billy Bush, then subsequently apologized. However, once the Moore controversy began, he suggested the attacks may be politically motivated, as his were, and the Entertainment Tonight tape may not be authentic. That's not the behavior of a changed man.
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I simply recommend consistency. My principles are my principles. They don’t change as a result of the jersey being worn by a politician. If my principles were fungible, I’d certainly expect the Left to use that hypocrisy against me. I just strive for consistent principles and positions rather than handing the Left ammunition to use against me. I don't expect the "perfect candidate" but when the candidate (or the person in office) does or says something I've criticized in the past, I don't remain silent simply because it's "my guy".
@Concerned
The only thing that's consistent is the chaos. Besides, Trump is no longer a "candidate" he's the President. So you can wail and gnash your teeth in protest at his lack of principles and change nothing.
Or you can accept he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things that are happening. Because for all his flaws Trump does want America to succeed and actually seems to be working toward that end.
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@Concerned
The only thing that's consistent is the chaos. Besides, Trump is no longer a "candidate" he's the President. So you can wail and gnash your teeth in protest at his lack of principles and change nothing.
Or you can accept he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things that are happening. Because for all his flaws Trump does want America to succeed and actually seems to be working toward that end.
@driftdiver
Of course, Trump is no longer a "candidate" but you asked me about my response to not having the “perfect candidateâ€. I simply tried to answer your questions. I certainly acknowledge that he's "deeply flawed", but I refuse to be silent when he does or says things that violate my principles (or things about which I criticized the Democrats about). What I will do, however, is continue to praise him when he does and says things I find praise-worthy and continue to criticize him when he does or says things I disagree with.
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@driftdiver
Of course, Trump is no longer a "candidate" but you asked me about my response to not having the “perfect candidateâ€. I simply tried to answer your questions. I certainly acknowledge that he's "deeply flawed", but I refuse to be silent when he does or says things that violate my principles (or things about which I criticized the Democrats about). What I will do, however, is continue to praise him when he does and says things I find praise-worthy and continue to criticize him when he does or says things I disagree with.
@Concerned
I see pretty much the same thing posted time after time after time. yet rarely do i see any praise. He cuts Planned Parenthood funding, he gets criticized. He cuts funding for PLO or the UN and he's criticized.
So please accept my apologies for not believing you NTs when you say that.
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@driftdiver
Of course, Trump is no longer a "candidate" but you asked me about my response to not having the “perfect candidateâ€. I simply tried to answer your questions. I certainly acknowledge that he's "deeply flawed", but I refuse to be silent when he does or says things that violate my principles (or things about which I criticized the Democrats about). What I will do, however, is continue to praise him when he does and says things I find praise-worthy and continue to criticize him when he does or says things I disagree with.
I suggest you copy and paste this post to a Word doc. It will save you a lot of time for all the times you will need to repost it.
Reminds me of the conversation Francisco d'Anconia had with Hank Rearden, when he said (paraphrased), "I am giving the words for the times you will need them." lol, I use that phrase with my 6th graders every year in the religious ed class I teach at church.
It's not enough to tell the Orange Brigadiers that we recognize the positive things Trump has done. With them, one must put our full faith and credit in Donald J. Trump...anything less is treasonous.
I know my term "Orange Brigadiers" offends some All Trumpers, but I really don't understand why. It's a term of affection IMO, like "Arnie's Army."
ETA: there is no need for certain members of the All Trumpers to ever ping me. I have most of you on ignore.
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It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit.
Very true.
The vast majority of Americans and especially professing Christians 'do not give a shit' about the morality that once undergirded the culture and society, especially when they are engaging in it themselves and bought the lie that no one should judge bad behavior and that all behavior is relative.
There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes.
First of all, it is stupid for anyone to look upon a man as any kind of perfect 'leader of morality'. People following men is how biblical religion gets perverted. Only God, His Word and His Christ establish what morality a Believer is to adhere to and practice. Leaders were to have fruits that upheld those virtues that a people could examine in the light of what they learn from scripture.
While hypocrisy is in deed a factor among youth, it is a greater tool used as a convenient club used to bash anyone still upholding virtue in a debased society. The idea that churches must be 'perfect' is an outgrowth of Alinsky's Rule No. 4. Churches were intended to be spiritual hospitals to help a people trying to follow Christ daily striving to overcoming sin and practicing righteousness. We live in a society where we have been lectured we must do what feels good without consequences and anyone advocating righteousness and eschewing bad behavior be branded a bigot and criminal.
Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.
That sentiment just proves how debased our culture has become. To assert that standing up for the truth is a marker of someone who considers themselves to be morally superior is the hallmark of a people who hate truth and prefer the lies and bullshit they are more comfortable with.
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@Concerned
I see pretty much the same thing posted time after time after time. yet rarely do i see any praise. He cuts Planned Parenthood funding, he gets criticized. He cuts funding for PLO or the UN and he's criticized.
So please accept my apologies for not believing you NTs when you say that.
@driftdiver
I'm only speaking for myself not "Never Trumpers", but I try and be objective. When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I've praised him, and I’ve done it right here on TBR for you to see on the following things: Gorsuch. I love what the President is doing on regulations. The hurricane responses in Florida and Texas were right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet. He seems to be serious about fixing the VA. That’s long overdue. His speech after the Las Vegas shooting was spot on and I praised him at the time. I think he freed up his military to go after ISIS by loosening the Rules of Engagement, and he deserves “all the credit in the world†for that (as I said at the time). His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas. I also gave him credit for the run-up in the stock market in 2017 and his campaign strategy in 2016.
Here are some examples of the above:
Well, I’m certainly not in this contingent you refer to. When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I praise him. Gorsuch appears to be a great pick (but it’s still early). I love what the President is doing on regulations. The hurricane responses have been right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet. He seems to be serious about fixing the VA. That’s long overdue. That’s certainly not “unceasingly criticalâ€.
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I criticize Trump when I think he deserves criticizing and praise him when I think he deserves praise. His remarks this morning were spot on IMO: prayer and support for the victims and their family, support for law enforcement, calls for unity, flags at half-staff, and plans to travel to Las Vegas on Wednesday. Good job Mr. President.
I think Trump deserves all the credit in the world for freeing up our military to truly go after ISIS. I think he's proven what many of us suspected: that the Rules of Engagement placed upon our military under Obama was too stringent and too restrictive for them to truly to successful. Good for him!
On Trump returning North Korea to the list of State Sponsors of Terror:
Good decision by the President. As he said: "This designation will impose further sanctions and penalties on North Korea ... and supports our maximum pressure campaign to isolate the murderous regime.â€
:thumbsup:
Again on the battle against ISIS noting winning the battle is a “big dealâ€:
I may be perceived as one of those, and although I’ve praised him previously about the way he has leveraged the military in it’s attack against ISIS, this is indeed a big deal, and I’ll quote myself to give additional credit to the President:
I think Trump deserves all the credit in the world for freeing up our military to truly go after ISIS. I think he's proven what many of us suspected: that the Rules of Engagement placed upon our military under Obama was too stringent and too restrictive for them to truly to successful. Good for him!
Clear enough? @skeeter
His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas:
In a blatant attempt at getting this thread back on topic, I'm sure this cheered up most (if not all) of the troops over at Walter Reed. Good job by the President and good job by VP Pence to visit the troops in Afghanistan.
The run-up of the stock market:
Regulations: I think Trump deserves a huge amount of credit for cutting regulations, and I believe (but can’t prove) that this and the anticipation of corporate tax cuts have been a huge contributing factor for the run-up of the stock market in his first year.
Campaign strategy in 2016:
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I believe the President ran a brilliant election campaign and tapped into a level of dissatisfaction not fully realized by most others............
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@driftdiver
I'm only speaking for myself not "Never Trumpers", but I try and be objective. When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I've praised him, and I’ve done it right here on TBR for you to see on the following things: Gorsuch. I love what the President is doing on regulations. The hurricane responses in Florida and Texas were right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet. He seems to be serious about fixing the VA. That’s long overdue. His speech after the Las Vegas shooting was spot on and I praised him at the time. I think he freed up his military to go after ISIS by loosening the Rules of Engagement, and he deserves “all the credit in the world†for that (as I said at the time). His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas. I also gave him credit for the run-up in the stock market in 2016 and his campaign strategy in 2016.
Here are some examples of the above:
On Trump returning North Korea to the list of State Sponsors of Terror:
Again on the battle against ISIS noting winning the battle is a “big dealâ€:Clear enough? @skeeter
His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas:The run-up of the stock market:Campaign strategy in 2016:
@Concerned
And yet the monster threads here do nothing but throw stones at Trump.
As sad as it is, he is our best bet for improving this country. For turning it away from the cliff.
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@Concerned
The only thing that's consistent is the chaos. Besides, Trump is no longer a "candidate" he's the President. So you can wail and gnash your teeth in protest at his lack of principles and change nothing.
Or you can accept he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things that are happening. Because for all his flaws Trump does want America to succeed and actually seems to be working toward that end.
"...deeply flawed...."??
Hmmmmm...... couldn't let that go.
After 1 year in office, could anybody step up and list these deep "flaws"?
:whistle:
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"...deeply flawed...."??
Hmmmmm...... couldn't let that go.
After 1 year in office, could anybody step up and list these deep "flaws"?
:whistle:
I was simply using the words that @driftdiver used since he encouraged me to just "accept" that "he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things". My point was that I won't simply "accept" those deeps flaws (but I will cheer the things I support). As for what those flaws are, IMO it includes his apparent lack of fiscal conservatism, the consistent lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, his petty squabbles, and his childish name-calling. JMO.
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I was simply using the words that @driftdiver used since he encouraged me to just "accept" that "he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things". My point was that I won't simply "accept" those deeps flaws (but I will cheer the things I support). As for what those flaws are, IMO it includes his apparent lack of fiscal conservatism, the consistent lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, his petty squabbles, and his childish name-calling. JMO.
@Concerned
So how are you going to make things better.
IMO its a better bet to support Trump, as flawed as he is, and work to improve this country. Brinig it back from the abyss.
Or people can continue to fight against trump and everything he does. because he isn't perfect enough.
Have a good day, this is useless
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There's a third way...
continue to fight against trump and everything he does
@driftdiver
Not everything he does....just the bad stuff.
Rather than pretending there's not a lot of bad stuff.
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I was simply using the words that @driftdiver used since he encouraged me to just "accept" that "he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things". My point was that I won't simply "accept" those deeps flaws (but I will cheer the things I support). As for what those flaws are, IMO it includes his apparent lack of fiscal conservatism, the consistent lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, his petty squabbles, and his childish name-calling. JMO.
I thought your list of positive accomplishments/deeds was very thorough. Even forgot a lot of them, while focusing on the economic tsunami coming our way...as evidenced by the stock markets.
Let's not forget too, that he allowed his generals to kill the enemy without seeking authorization from the White House.
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@Concerned
So how are you going to make things better.
IMO its a better bet to support Trump, as flawed as he is, and work to improve this country. Brinig it back from the abyss.
Or people can continue to fight against trump and everything he does. because he isn't perfect enough.
Have a good day, this is useless
Since you asked, I'll give you the courtesy of an answer to how I'll make things better. I'll continue to support candidates who share my principles and values. I'll continue to praise our leaders when they do things that I think are praise-worthy, and I'll criticize them when they don't. I don't think being a sycophant (not claiming you are) does anything to improve our country.
You have a good day too! :seeya:
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There's a third way...
@driftdiver
Not everything he does....just the bad stuff.
Rather than pretending there's not a lot of bad stuff.
"a lot' horsefeces
Some of the things he's done aren't optimum but at least he's trying to make things better. Hell they way you folks go nuts over the slightest thing its obvious all you want to do is tear this place down. you lost your perfect candidate so by golly you are gonna mess everything up
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Trump’s job performance has been very good, and his impact on the administrative state, stellar.
Every thing else is just noise. I simply don’t care to join those who waste their time expecting the other shoe to drop. I expect the next three years of the Trump administration to be terrific!
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"a lot' horsefeces
Some of the things he's done aren't optimum but at least he's trying to make things better. Hell they way you folks go nuts over the slightest thing its obvious all you want to do is tear this place down. you lost your perfect candidate so by golly you are gonna mess everything up
You and your Trump fellows repeatedly said Trump did not need us and that you did not want any support from those of us who did not vote for him, because we would be 'fair weather friends', and recently it was stated that our applause and support is not wanted at all because it would tarnish *Trump's brand*.
For all the insistence your prince does not need or want our support because he can do everything without us - why do you people continue to insist that our lack of support or criticism is 'tearing the place down'.
All it does is reinforce the accusations that you people demand 100% fealty, loyalty and devotion - or nothing at all.
And even when people like @Concerned share their even-handedness in evaluating Trump, it's never good enough for you people. You continue to assert all we want to do is 'tear the place down' because your prince is not continuously praised and worshipped online by principled Conservatives who are not wrapped up in your cult of personality.
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You and your Trump fellows repeatedly said Trump did not need us and that you did not want any support from those of us who did not vote for him, because we would be 'fair weather friends', and recently it was stated that our applause and support is not wanted at all because it would tarnish *Trump's brand*.
For all the insistence your prince does not need or want our support because he can do everything without us - why do you people continue to insist that our lack of support or criticism is 'tearing the place down'.
All it does is reinforce the accusations that you people demand 100% fealty, loyalty and devotion - or nothing at all.
And even when people like @Concerned share their even-handedness in evaluating Trump, it's never good enough for you people. You continue to assert all we want to do is 'tear the place down' because your prince is not continuously praised and worshipped online by principled Conservatives who are not wrapped up in your cult of personality.
LOL. It really bugs you that the President is succeeding despite all your dire warnings, praying for disaster and fondling of rosaries......and I love it. It entertains me to no end.
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@Concerned
So how are you going to make things better.
IMO its a better bet to support Trump, as flawed as he is, and work to improve this country. Brinig it back from the abyss.
Or people can continue to fight against trump and everything he does. because he isn't perfect enough.
Have a good day, this is useless
How about a thread, taking expert testimony from certain folks here, about which Presidents are in Heaven, and which are not?
Let's start with Lincoln, move next to the Roosevelt cousins, then to Carter.
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How about a thread, taking expert testimony from certain folks here, about which Presidents are in Heaven, and which are not?
Let's start with Lincoln, move next to the Roosevelt cousins, then to Carter.
Carter is in hell. He had lust in his heart.
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LOL. It really bugs you that the President is succeeding
Not at all Frank. I smile inside at the things I think he has done that may prove beneficial and roll my eyes at his behaviors and Twitter stupidities. Trump himself I largely ignore save for the commentaries and discussions about him on boards like this, because I find the mindsets in mass movements to be fascinating, and principled Conservatism needs to be defended when Liberalism or populism works so hard to supplant it.
despite all your dire warnings, praying for disaster and fondling of rosaries......and I love it.
Frank, Frank my amusing friend - where would you have ever gotten the notion that I was .... Catholic?
Now calling fire down from heaven has never been on my list of prayers to The Father, and calamity almost always ends up being brutally visited on the servants of the Lord first - so I am curious why you would assume I am 'praying for it' when I spend my time WARNING about consequences coming for our current stupidities as a culture and nation?
I'm not fond of the idea of suffering what consequences portend for me and my posterity.
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How about a thread, taking expert testimony from certain folks here, about which Presidents are in Heaven, and which are not?
Let's start with Lincoln, move next to the Roosevelt cousins, then to Carter.
That would be an amusing thread to read.
For me especially because in my understanding the Great White Throne Judgment has not happened yet.
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How about a thread, taking expert testimony from certain folks here, about which Presidents are in Heaven, and which are not?
Let's start with Lincoln, move next to the Roosevelt cousins, then to Carter.
Carter is still alive. He just dragged the nation through hell.
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Frank, Frank my amusing friend - where would you have ever gotten the notion that I was .... Catholic?
I don't give a shit what denomination you are specifically. Whatever it is it involves a lot of moral superiority and finger pointing.
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LOL. It really bugs you that the President is succeeding despite all your dire warnings, praying for disaster and fondling of rosaries......and I love it. It entertains me to no end.
(http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cannonballrun2.jpg)
I'm gunna take these bleeds and shove em right up your nose.
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LOL. It really bugs you that the President is succeeding despite all your dire warnings, praying for disaster and fondling of rosaries......and I love it. It entertains me to no end.
(http://www.releasetheape.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/end-is-near.jpeg)
Frank, I find your term "fondling of rosaries" to be bigoted and offensive. If the mods are going to allow this kind of nonsense, then the gloves are off regarding your Orange Julius and his merry Orange Brigadiers.
@Machiavelli, I'm giving you a heads up.
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As a 'normal' fallen-away Catholic myself,...schooled by nuns, Franciscans and Jesuits, I wasn't the least bit offended by @Frank Cannon 's reference.
I knew exactly how he meant it.
And so did you. :whistle:
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Obama 2008 - Yes We Can!
Trump 2018 - Oh Yes You Did!
Really interesting times.
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Frank, I find your term "fondling of rosaries" to be bigoted and offensive. If the mods are going to allow this kind of nonsense, then the gloves are off regarding your Orange Julius and his merry Orange Brigadiers.
@Machiavelli, I'm giving you a heads up.
You're only just taking the gloves off now, eh? Well how exciting. Looking forward to all these grand slams that are going to be laid down.
BTW Orange Julius isn't going to cut it. I don't think anyone but the over 80 crowd knows what they are anymore.
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As a 'normal' fallen-away Catholic myself,...schooled by nuns, Franciscans and Jesuits, I wasn't the least bit offended by @Frank Cannon 's reference.
I knew exactly how he meant it.
And so did you. :whistle:
Ditto.
@Cyber Liberty had to explain what a "Mulligan" was. Made no sense to me.
Do these so-called incidents with the "Stormy" lady have any legs?
Malania could have gotten the flu which has spread throughout this country. And she is such a good mom, perhaps she wanted to stay home with Barron.
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@Frank Cannon
I am going to have to call you on this one:
BTW Orange Julius isn't going to cut it. I don't think anyone but the over 80 crowd knows what they are anymore.
I most certainly am not near 80, but I remember Orange Julius. My very favorite drink!
What happened to them?
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@Frank Cannon
I am going to have to call you on this one:
BTW Orange Julius isn't going to cut it. I don't think anyone but the over 80 crowd knows what they are anymore.
I most certainly am not near 80, but I remember Orange Julius. My very favorite drink!
What happened to them?
Well then I apologize. I am very sorry for ruining the thread with baseless accusations about the age of the average Orange Julius customer. It was unseemly and in poor taste.
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Do these so-called incidents with the "Stormy" lady have any legs?
No, but Stormy has great legs....
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Frank, I find your term "fondling of rosaries" to be bigoted and offensive. If the mods are going to allow this kind of nonsense, then the gloves are off regarding your Orange Julius and his merry Orange Brigadiers.
@Machiavelli, I'm giving you a heads up.
As a Crappie Cruncher by birth, and also one of the most righteous of the C & E members of my Roman Catholic Church, I wish to say: Oh Bullshit.
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No, but Stormy has great legs....
She should. She exercises them enough.
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@Frank Cannon @Cyber Liberty
K. You are both going over my knee to get your spankings. Boys! Arrgghhh!
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Well then I apologize. I am very sorry for ruining the thread with baseless accusations about the age of the average Orange Julius customer. It was unseemly and in poor taste.
:silly: :silly:
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I don't give a shit what denomination you are specifically.
Obviously.
However it might help expand your universe of wit a tad to recognize that most Christians don't fondle rosaries and that particular jab might not be seen as humorous to a few folks who are Catholic. The caveat of course that you don't give a shit about that either, but hey - underneath that Stoli, single malt scotch, cocaine and barbiturates exterior, there might reside a bit of reflective empathy somewhere under your Mannix disposition.
Whatever it is it involves a lot of moral superiority and finger pointing.
And fondling of rosaries.
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Geez. I remember when some Christian conservatives were concerned that Reagan had been divorced and remarried.
The stories of Reagan's private life before becoming Governor which included affairs while married are well documented. How many Presidents can be included in that club may never be known. But paying hush money if true puts this Trump affair in a different catagory.
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The stories of Reagan's private life before becoming Governor which included affairs while married are well documented. How many Presidents can be included in that club may never be known. But paying hush money if true puts this Trump affair in a different catagory.
It was all before the Internet.
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It was all before the Internet.
Baloney. I had the internet in 1980.....
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