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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: edpc on August 05, 2019, 12:09:13 pm
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WASHINGTON – After two mass shootings over the weekend, President Donald Trump suggested Monday that Congress link immigration laws to new legislation requiring stronger background checks for gun buyers.
"Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying his legislation with desperately needed immigration reform," Trump tweeted.
He did not provide details on possible legislation regarding gun control, background checks, or immigration.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/05/mass-shooting-trump-suggests-linking-gun-control-immigration-laws/1919672001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/05/mass-shooting-trump-suggests-linking-gun-control-immigration-laws/1919672001/)
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Donald J. Trumpâ€
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
We cannot let those killed in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, die in vain. Likewise for those so seriously wounded. We can never forget them, and those many who came before them. Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying....
....this legislation with desperately needed immigration reform. We must have something good, if not GREAT, come out of these two tragic events!
3:54 AM - 5 Aug 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158330513951735809
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He did not provide details on possible legislation regarding gun control, background checks, or immigration.
Methinks he's working with his caucus on the direction and the details now.
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This attempt to parlay the issue is, IMO, ill-advised and has Stephen Miller written all over it. The message comes off as victim blaming, incredibly tone deaf, and will backfire.
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This attempt to parlay the issue is, IMO, ill-advised and has Stephen Miller written all over it. The message comes off as victim blaming, incredibly tone deaf, and will backfire.
We shall see :shrug:
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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.
I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.
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Going to ban private transfer? Some are saying.
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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.
I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.
What initially bothered me about the approach is what you alluded to - potential horse trading on rights. Also, they spent a good deal of time yesterday, blaming the actions on mental illness. Now, they’re intertwining the two issues, with the El Paso shooting. Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
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Going to ban private transfer? Some are saying.
They might make it illegal, but how will that stop it? Such transactions occur daily in areas where they are already banned.
It doesn't work, but there is a rollicking trade in black market guns.
All it will do, and pay attention here, is provide the government with a growing list of who has what, where, and we know where such databases end up. History provides that answer. The BATFE was making a database of NICS checks during the Clinton Administration. Do you think they really stopped or destroyed that? I have no faith that they did whatsoever.
All crap like this does is engender contempt for the government from a new group of people, and contempt for the law as well. That is not a good road to go down.
BTW, I remember people buying a gun through the mail, no paperwork, and the only government involvement was the postman delivering the check to the merchant, and then the gun to the buyer. There were no mass shootings in those days. Maybe the real problem isn't guns.
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He pretty much had his re-election in the bag,and he just threw it away.
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Going to ban private transfer? Some are saying.
@rustynail
Who knows? He now seems to be negotiating gun control with the Dims,and confiscating and melting down all privately-owned firearms is what they would call a "good first step".
If he does this,he can kiss re-election away being it will be obvious to even a blind man that the time has come to take up arms right after the next election because it will be either "use them or lose them".
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Trump speaking from WH now...
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Trump speaking from WH now...
Too depressing to listen.
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Bad idea, Mr. Trump.
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Trump speaking from WH now...
@EdJames
Did he say anything about new gun control? If he did,I missed it.
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Bad idea, Mr. Trump.
I couldn't agree more -- we shall see what the final gauntlet becomes...but so far I am disappointed in Trump's seeming intentions and Cruz's comments. Very disappointed.
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@EdJames
Did he say anything about new gun control? If he did,I missed it.
Nothing beyond Red Flag Laws that I heard....
Remarks at about 21:00 on this live stream....
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQx_jg5ZRw#)
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I couldn't agree more -- we shall see what the final gauntlet becomes...but so far I am disappointed in Trump's seeming intentions and Cruz's comments. Very disappointed.
What did Cruz say?
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Red Flag laws? Seriously? ****slapping
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Based on content and delivery, I’m not sure how much of that statement he really believes. It doesn’t match up with this tweet from earlier this morning.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The Media has a big responsibility to life and safety in our Country. Fake News has contributed greatly to the anger and rage that has built up over many years. News coverage has got to start being fair, balanced and unbiased, or these terrible problems will only get worse!
6:32 AM · Aug 5, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
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Trump Calls For 'Red Flag' Laws To Stop 'Dangerous' Individuals From Buying Guns
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/watch-live-trump-delivers-statement-following-weekend-deadly-mass-shootings#comment_stream (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/watch-live-trump-delivers-statement-following-weekend-deadly-mass-shootings#comment_stream)
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What initially bothered me about the approach is what you alluded to - potential horse trading on rights. Also, they spent a good deal of time yesterday, blaming the actions on mental illness. Now, they’re intertwining the two issues, with the El Paso shooting. Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
What part of my statement even mentioned mental illness?
All I spoke of is that I don't want the Congress bribed into doing its job to quell illegal immigration in exchange for my 2nd Amendment Rights. Just do their job, like they are supposed to, and leave my Rights out of it.
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What initially bothered me about the approach is what you alluded to - potential horse trading on rights. Also, they spent a good deal of time yesterday, blaming the actions on mental illness. Now, they’re intertwining the two issues, with the El Paso shooting. Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
Art of the Deal, baby!!! :thud:
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What part of my statement even mentioned mental illness?
It didn’t, which is why I talked about the trade off, to which you were alluding. Then, I added the portion about mental illness by saying ‘also.’ I apologize if that was unclear.
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It didn’t, which is why I talked about the trade off, to which you were alluding. Then, I added the portion about mental illness by saying ‘also.’ I apologize if that was unclear.
Seeking clarity, in the statement Well, now, you’re basically equating defense of 2A and demand for immigration reform with mental illness. Thanks for that.
...who is/are the you (as in "you're")?
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Nothing beyond Red Flag Laws that I heard....
Remarks at about 21:00 on this live stream....
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQx_jg5ZRw#)
@EdJames
Thanks!
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I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually. In fact, they may make a lot of sense. But the implementation and legal standards are everything.
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Seeking clarity, in the statement ...who is/are the you (as in "you're")?
The ‘you’ would be those in the admin that decided combining the issues are good political strategy.
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I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually. In fact, they may make a lot of sense. But the implementation and legal standards are everything.
Exactly, because some people who are not threats, but need treatment, may have reservations about seeking it.
Catch 22: Vets Fear Loss Of Gun Rights If They Seek Treatment For PTSD
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/02/21/catch-22-vets-concerned-with-loss-of-gun-rights-if-they-seek-treatment-for-ptsd/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/02/21/catch-22-vets-concerned-with-loss-of-gun-rights-if-they-seek-treatment-for-ptsd/)
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I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually. In fact, they may make a lot of sense. But the implementation and legal standards are everything.
The 4th Amendment violations don't bug you?
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The ‘you’ would be those in the admin that decided combining the issues are good political strategy.
OK, thanks!
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The 4th Amendment violations don't bug you?
Apparently the 5th Amendment doesn't count, either, nor the prohibition of Bills of Attainder.
For reference to those who just think of Miranda...
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Don't tell me the same people who used to say a guy calling himself a woman had a problem is now
'normal' will be setting the standards and that will constitute "due process". **nononono*
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Apparently the 5th Amendment doesn't count, either, nor the prohibition of Bills of Attainder.
For reference to those who just think of Miranda...
Don't tell me the same people who used to say a guy calling himself a woman had a problem is now
'normal' will be setting the standards and that will constitute "due process". **nononono*
@Smokin Joe they won't have to. If these Red Flag laws catch on nation wide they due process is out the window. They won't need to set the standard because they won't need one.
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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.
I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.
Absolutely agree! :beer:
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@EdJames
Thanks!
You are welcome!
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@Smokin Joe they won't have to. If these Red Flag laws catch on nation wide they due process is out the window. They won't need to set the standard because they won't need one.
@txradioguy @Smokin Joe
EXACTLY!
As a wise man once noted,the devil is in the details,and the details establish that once something becomes a law the politicians can then change it or add to it without any public input at all. This is the same kind of "good intentions" crap that got us to where we are now. It's the camel's nose under the tent.
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@txradioguy @Smokin Joe
EXACTLY!
As a wise man once noted,the devil is in the details,and the details establish that once something becomes a law the politicians can then change it or add to it without any public input at all. This is the same kind of "good intentions" crap that got us to where we are now. It's the camel's nose under the tent.
@sneakypete In that same vein pay close attention in the next few days to the change in language the Dems are using when they call for their gun bans. It was a subtle shift I noticed over the weekend...it's gone from "assault rifles" to "assault weapons" and "semi-automatic weapons".
They've broadened the term to allow them to go after not only the scary black AR-15...but everything from your bolt-action .308 to the two Sig Sauers in my gun bag at home.
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@sneakypete In that same vein pay close attention in the next few days to the change in language the Dems are using when they call for their gun bans. It was a subtle shift I noticed over the weekend...it's gone from "assault rifles" to "assault weapons" and "semi-automatic weapons".
They've broadened the term to allow them to go after not only the scary black AR-15...but everything from your bolt-action .308 to the two Sig Sauers in my gun bag at home.
Well, I just bought my Marlin 1895GBL. Haven’t even fired it, yet. It’s got a 6+1 capacity for .45-70, so it’s probably on the block.
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Well, I just bought my Marlin 1895GBL. Haven’t even fired it, yet. It’s got a 6+1 capacity for .45-70, so it’s probably on the block.
@edpc
They'll get to it eventually...after they've outlawed the pistol caliber carbines.
And the left's argument will be "no one needs a rifle powerful enough to stop a T-Rex".
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What did Cruz say?
...." We must speak clearly to combat evil in any form it takes. What we saw yesterday was a heinous act of terrorism and white supremacy. There is no place for this in El Paso, in Texas, or anywhere across our nation.
We are all Americans and we are all standing united with El Paso."....
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The biggest problem with combining these two issues is that it legitimizes the declaration of a natural emergency, considering the border situation has already been declared as such.
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@sneakypete In that same vein pay close attention in the next few days to the change in language the Dems are using when they call for their gun bans. It was a subtle shift I noticed over the weekend...it's gone from "assault rifles" to "assault weapons" and "semi-automatic weapons".
They've broadened the term to allow them to go after not only the scary black AR-15...but everything from your bolt-action .308 to the two Sig Sauers in my gun bag at home.
@txradioguy
Yup. They HAVE to do this because they want to establish a world-wide socialist/communist police state,and even THEY know that people don't want it and will fight against it if they are able.
THIS is why they want the only people to be armed are agents of the government,either the military,or the LEO's.
Think about that for a minute. What kind of dictatorial douche-bab do you have to be to actually think the IDEAL system of government is one the citizens would fight against if they had the means to fight?
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@edpc
They'll get to it eventually...after they've outlawed the pistol caliber carbines.
@txradioguy
Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.
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@txradioguy
Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.
I think he was talking about things like the Hi-Point models, but, yes, it is a large handgun.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/49477/redirect (https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/49477/redirect)
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I think he was talking about things like the Hi-Point models, but, yes, it is a large handgun.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/49477/redirect (https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/49477/redirect)
@edpc
People buy those things for bragging rights,and maybe shoot them once.
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@txradioguy
Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.
@sneakypete @edpc
Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.
What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.
AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else. Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.
Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that...but if we start down the slippery slope and buy into this BS of "sensible gun control" it's where we'll end up. Every time the right gives an inch...the left takes three miles.
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@sneakypete @edpc
Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.
What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.
AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else. Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.
Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that..
@txradioguy
Not me!. Every word is true.
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@edpc
They'll get to it eventually...after they've outlawed the pistol caliber carbines.
And the left's argument will be "no one needs a rifle powerful enough to stop a T-Rex".
Nice, from people who have never been close enough to a bear to smell it.
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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.
I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.
That's not just right - That's damn well right.
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@sneakypete @edpc
Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.
What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.
AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else. Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.
Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that...but if we start down the slippery slope and buy into this BS of "sensible gun control" it's where we'll end up. Every time the right gives an inch...the left takes three miles.
Well, we went from "you can own what you want" to "having to pay the transfer tax" to "having to be investigated and pay the transfer tax" to "unless you are police, military or a licensed dealer, you can't have one made after 1986", and from sending in the order form and waiting for the postman to bring your gun to Form 4473, NICS, waiting periods, and worse in some jurisdictions. It has been a progressive and incremental assault, and it continues. We have yet for a Federal Legislature to remove, relax, or repeal such infringements on the Right. (The Clinton Era AWB sun-setted, it wasn't repealed.)
Roll my eyes and laugh? Oh, Hell No!
They (Dianne Feinstein, et. al.) have stated the intent to "...ban them all Mr. and Mrs. America...", and I fully believe that is their intent.
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@txradioguy
Uhhhh,I might be wrong about this,but a 45/70 caliber pistol would be one HUGE handgun.
It is, even in a single shot: Thompson Center Arms .45-70
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/5263/912668247/wm_815937.jpg)
Heavy sucker, too (cuts the recoil a mite). Silhouette shooters use them, that's how I became acquainted with them. I don't own one, though.
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Keep my Rights separate from immigration Law, thankyouverymuch.
Immigration control (Part of providing for the common defense) is a Duty of the Federal Government.
I'm not willing to trade my Rights for them doing their f*cking job.
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I don't have a problem with red flag laws conceptually. In fact, they may make a lot of sense. But the implementation and legal standards are everything.
I sure as hell do. That puts my R2KBA in the hands of any whacko-liberal shrink and my ex-wife.
That ain't alright.
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I sure as hell do. That puts my R2KBA in the hands of any whacko-liberal shrink and my ex-wife.
That ain't alright.
Agreed. I'm not ok with it either. Can you imagine if it becomes Fed law? You'll have people turning in other people for having guns if they sneeze wrong. That's why it's important to keep silent about what you own. This only opens up more opportunities for Big Brother to intervene on a grand scale.
Jurisdictions that Allow Family or Household Members to Petition
California11
Colorado12
Delaware (Only law enforcement can petition for ex parte orders)13
District of Columbia14
Hawaii (effective January 1, 2020)15
Illinois16
Maryland17
Massachusetts18
Nevada (effective January 1, 2020)19
New Jersey (effective Sept. 1, 2019)20
New York (effective August 24, 2019)21
Oregon22
Washington23
Jurisdictions that Allow Individuals Other than Family to Petition
District of Columbia (Mental health professionals)24
Hawaii (Medical professionals, educators, and coworkers)25
Maryland (Certain categories of mental and other health workers)26
New York (School administrators)27
States that Only Allow Law Enforcement Officers or Other State Officials to Petition
Florida28
Rhode Island29
Vermont30
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/extreme-risk-protection-orders/
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Agreed. I'm not ok with it either. Can you imagine if it becomes Fed law?
That seems to be the attempt - And Tumpy leading the parade.
You'll have people turning in other people for having guns if they sneeze wrong.
That's why I put my ex in the equation. I guarantee she'll be shrink-shopping the very day she gets that power over me. It's what she does.
That's why it's important to keep silent about what you own.
Nah. I don't care. I already have all my necessaries duplicated and sealed in kerosene back up in the sticks... and a few thousand rounds to boot... And I can always get more.
But yeah, I get what you mean.
This only opens up more opportunities for Big Brother to intervene on a grand scale.
That's right.
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That seems to be the attempt - And Tumpy leading the parade.
That's why I put my ex in the equation. I guarantee she'll be shrink-shopping the very day she gets that power over me. It's what she does.
Nah. I don't care. I already have all my necessaries duplicated and sealed in kerosene back up in the sticks... and a few thousand rounds to boot... And I can always get more.
But yeah, I get what you mean.
That's right.
Gee, your ex sounds like a lovely lady. *****rollingeyes***** Typically, the kind that smiles to your face and then stabs you in the back. The very type that I can spot for a mile and don't get along with.
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Gee, your ex sounds like a lovely lady. *****rollingeyes***** Typically, the kind that smiles to your face and then stabs you in the back. The very type that I can spot for a mile and don't get along with.
Yeah, but that was before the divorce... Now it's worse, except in that she has nothing more to leverage. But anytime she gets that leverage, she is right back at it. I can guarantee you right now, if she thinks she can mess with me and take my guns, she will do it in a minute. She can't leave well enough alone.
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Yeah, but that was before the divorce... Now it's worse, except in that she has nothing more to leverage. But anytime she gets that leverage, she is right back at it. I can guarantee you right now, if she thinks she can mess with me and take my guns, she will do it in a minute. She can't leave well enough alone.
Oh wow! She sounds just like my mother --evil and vindictive. I haven't talked to her or seen her in 5 years yet she still manages to do things that still affect my life in a negative way -- not by much though any more as I have learned that at the end of the day I can look myself in the mirror and I have a clear conscience and I like who I see.
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Oh wow! She sounds just like my mother --evil and vindictive. I haven't talked to her or seen her in 5 years yet she still manages to do things that still affect my life in a negative way -- not by much though any more as I have learned that at the end of the day I can look myself in the mirror and I have a clear conscience and I like who I see.
YEP. I can tell you, she has not missed a single opportunity to twist the knife... But likewise, less anymore, now that the kids are through school and mostly on their own.
But the point being that a vindictive b**** and a liberal shrink can do a whole lot of damage with this red flag law bs. Mark my words.
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YEP. I can tell you, she has not missed a single opportunity to twist the knife... But likewise, less anymore, now that the kids are through school and mostly on their own.
But the point being that a vindictive b**** and a liberal shrink can do a whole lot of damage with this red flag law bs. Mark my words.
Exactly and in essence will leave power for the government to determine who is protected under the second amendment and who isn't.
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YEP. I can tell you, she has not missed a single opportunity to twist the knife... But likewise, less anymore, now that the kids are through school and mostly on their own.
But the point being that a vindictive b**** and a liberal shrink can do a whole lot of damage with this red flag law bs. Mark my words.
Now consider that any kid who gets in a knuckle duster in grade school will be branded as having "anger issues" and "violent tendencies", and they will be doomed to not only disarmament, but a lifetime of 'counseling' as well. Between maintenance medication (happy pills and the like) and the whim of people I have seen be far less than objective, especially in their assessments of boys and young men, those who are allowed to exercise that Right will be few and far enough between to completely negate any check on the tendencies of Governments to become more totalitarian.
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Now consider that any kid who gets in a knuckle duster in grade school will be branded as having "anger issues" and "violent tendencies", and they will be doomed to not only disarmament, but a lifetime of 'counseling' as well. Between maintenance medication (happy pills and the like) and the whim of people I have seen be far less than objective, especially in their assessments of boys and young men, those who are allowed to exercise that Right will be few and far enough between to completely negate any check on the tendencies of Governments to become more totalitarian.
That's right. I fought that hard for both my sons.
Elder son (the cop) got into tussles pretty well once a month, one time, having kicked the crap out of most of the football team. Another time, he got in a pinch for knockin a guy out that was slappin on his girlfriend. My boy stepped in and put him on the ground, doin the chicken, with one punch.
For a while there, I was in the principals office almost as much as I was in church. And every one of em were cases of self defense or defense of others.
My other boy was diagnosed by the school shrink as being some sort of ADD, and meds were automatically imposed... Because of my elder son's shenanigans, my ex was all for dopin the boy up... In fact, that was probably the catalyst that caused my divorce. I would not have any of that. He wound up quitting school, with three months to go... Either take the dope or get out... He got out.
Now he's head of IT in a regional headquarters for a multi-national corp... At twenty five years old.
There ain't a dang thing wrong with that boy.
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Now consider that any kid who gets in a knuckle duster in grade school will be branded as having "anger issues" and "violent tendencies", and they will be doomed to not only disarmament, but a lifetime of 'counseling' as well.
@Smokin Joe
And THERE lies the true hidden evil. Once you are declared to be emotionally unbalanced,you will ALWAYS be considered to be emotionally unbalanced,and will affect EVERY aspect of your life. Including simple day to day stuff,like getting a drivers license or signing a lease.
THIS is why they want to take everyone's guns away. Then they can do any damn thing they want to do,and not worry about personal consequences.
And any of you fools that think this is just about so-callled "assault" rifles and handguns,think again. Once they gain this power,they will instantly be after your "Model 94 Winchester 30/30 Sniper Rifle". Don't laugh. Most city creatures don't know the difference.
Between maintenance medication (happy pills and the like)
Can you say "Soylent Green"? Chemistry has advanced a lot since that movie,and you can be assured your daily dose will be both highly addictive and only available from "the proper authorities". and the whim of people
There will be no such thing unless you were born into one of the Ruling Class Families. You will do what you are told or you don't eat or have a place to stay.
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@sneakypete @edpc
Yeah the 45-70 Govt. round is a man sized rifle round to be sure.
What I meant was..and I apologize for not being clearer...is that the left will systematically work their way through the myriad of firearms eliminating different categories as they become the next scary black rifle or death dealing semi-automatic menace.
AR's and their clones will be the first to go...then semi-auto pistols (after their capacity has been limited to 5 rounds)...then they'll go after the Pistol Caliber Carbines because they can spit out everything from .380 to 10mm at "near assault rifle velocities" (I know that's not the real case but the left will claim it's fact)...when they're done with those...THEN the'll come after the lever and bolt action rifles with detachable magazines because those will be the new "high capacity assault weapons" once the left has banned everything else. Revolvers that can hole more than 5 rounds in calibers above .38 Spcl will be next.
Some may laugh and roll their eyes at that...but if we start down the slippery slope and buy into this BS of "sensible gun control" it's where we'll end up. Every time the right gives an inch...the left takes three miles.
Not laughing @txradioguy
I believe you.