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Florida Pulse gay nightclub attacked in Orlando
A shooting has been reported at a nightclub in the Florida city of Orlando, and the attacker is said to have taken hostages.
The incident happened at the Pulse Club, a gay nightclub in the city. It posted on its Facebook page: "Everyone get out of pulse and keep running".
Video footage being shared on social media showed wounded people being treated at the scene.
No official details of the incident have yet been given.
One man who says he was inside the club at the time and posted videos of the scene, said on his Facebook page that shots had been fired inside the club and people were "screaming that people are dead".
Read More At: http://www.bbc.com/news/36510272
They make it sound really serious reporting that hostages were taken as well. CNN saying injuries so far.
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They make it sound really serious reporting that hostages were taken as well. CNN saying injuries so far.
The presser seems to indicate there is a probability of terrorism.
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CBS/AP June 12, 2016, 4:41 AM
"Around 20" dead in "domestic terror incident" at gay bar
Last Updated Jun 12, 2016 7:36 AM EDT
ORLANDO, Fla. - A shooting and hostage situation early Sunday morning at a Florida nightclub -- which describes itself as "Orlando's hottest gay bar" -- left multiple people dead, including the gunman, officials say.
Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer said "many lives were lost and many more individuals were impacted by witnessing" the shootout and hostage situation.
Orlando Police chief John Mina said "around 20" people are believed dead inside the nightclub, although he and others were hesitant to provide firm numbers as the situation was still being assessed early Sunday morning.
Witnesses tell CBS affiliate WKMG as well as other local news outlets that there are numerous fatalities. Police have so far only confirmed that the gunman is dead.
Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings described the situation as a "domestic terror incident," although he and other officials insisted there was no ongoing threat.
Mina said the incident at Pulse nightclub began around 2:20 a.m., when shots rang out and an officer already posted at the event engaged the gunman, whom Mina said was armed with an assault rifle, a handgun, and a "device" of some kind that officials believed was a threat.
Pulse Orlando posted on its own Facebook page around 2 a.m.: "Everyone get out of pulse and keep running." Just before 6 a.m., the club posted an update: "As soon as we have any information we will update everyone. Please keep everyone in your prayers as we work through this tragic event. Thank you for your thoughts and love."
After the officer already there engaged the gunman, other law enforcement agencies and officials responded, and the gunman retreated into the nightclub and began a "hostage situation," Mina said.
SWAT officer eventually made the decision to attempt to rescue the hostages, and entered the club, where nine officers were involved in the fatal shooting of the gunman, Mina said. One officer was injured, and Mina said he believes the officer's life was probably saved by his Kevlar helmet. ...
More at CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pulse-nightclub-shooting-orlando/)
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June 12, 2016
Mass shooting and hostage taking at Orlando gay nightclub appears to be Islamic terrorism
By Thomas Lifson
If the early indications of Islamic terror being the motivation for a mass slaughter of homosexuals prove to be true, jihad should become a top concern of the LGBT political movement. The evidence is quickly mounting that Islamic terror was at the root of shooting 20 dead (as far as is currently known) and wounding 42 others, as well as taking hostages. The UK Daily Mail reports:
A suspected Islamic extremist wielding an assault rifle and a handgun has killed about 20 people after taking party-goers hostage inside a gay nightclub in Orlando.
The gunman was carrying a suspicious device, possibly a suicide vest, when he opened fire inside Pulse in the early hours of this morning.
Orlando Police Chief John Mina said authorities have not determined the exact number of people killed, but that 'approximately 20' have died. Another 42 people were taken to hospital.
An FBI spokesman said the mass shooting is being investigated as an act of terrorism. He explained authorities are looking into whether this was an act of domestic or international terror, and if the shooter was a lone wolf.
Police said the gunman was believed to be in his 20s was not a local man, and the FBI believe he may have 'leanings to radical Islamic terrorism'.
The FBI is not the lead agency, and would not give any indication at all of an Islamic terror connection without evidence. We do not know what, if any, organization was connected to the indicent, but considerable thought and planning were apparently involved.
The big question for me is how might this affect the political stance of the homosexual movement, which has predominantly supported Democrats, the party that refuses to speak the words “radical Islam” in connection to terror. I have spoken to homosexuals about why they seem indifferent to the clear threat Islamic hostility presents to them, and the answer usually is that they are focused on their own political struggle at home, in which scripturally believing Christians are seen as the opponents.
But jihad is a global movement, and now it seems to have struck at home.
It is too early to draw any conclusions, but I have a lot of questions.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/mass_shooting_and_hostage_taking_at_orlando_gay_nightclub_appears_to_be_islamic_terrorism.html#ixzz4BMsoIT1z
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This can't be. Islam is "the religion of peace," understanding, and tolerance for their fellow humans - at least according to Imam Obama. :peeonobama: It must have been workplace violence, not terrorism.
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Merged two threads on same subject.
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Early reports.
Man is "not a US citizen". Has a history of making terror threats. Is Muslim.
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CBSN Verified account
@CBSNLive
JUST IN: Orlando nightclub shooter ID'd as Omar S. Mateen, law enforcement sources tell @CBSNews http://cbsn.ws/24JpYX7
Subsequent tweet:
CBS News @CBSNews 6m6 minutes ago
MORE: Orlando shooter ID'd as Omar Mateen, U.S. citizen from Port St. Lucie, FL http://cbsn.ws/1PU8x4x
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From USA TODAY.
When asked whether the shooter had ties to a Jihadist terror group, an FBI official said during a news conference that "we do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings toward that, that particular ideology. But right now we can't say definitively so we're still running everything around."
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Devout Muslim SHOOTS DEAD AT LEAST 20 at Florida gay club after bursting in ‘wearing a SUICIDE VEST’ and TAKING HOSTAGES
By Pamela Geller on June 12, 2016
Where is gay leadership? Condemning me or my colleagues who oppose the most brutal and extreme ideology on the face of the earth.
Where are the left-wing, the gay and LGBT organizations denouncing the Islamic texts that inspire such mayhem and murder of gays? Where is that fierce gay leadership condemning Muslim oppression of gays under the sharia? The silence is deafening. ...
More at Pamela Geller's site (http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/devout-muslim-shoots-dead-at-least-20-at-florida-gay-club-after-bursting-in-wearing-a-suicide-vest-and-taking-hostages.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.h0Lq7mYj.dpuf)
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Devout Muslim SHOOTS DEAD AT LEAST 20 at Florida gay club after bursting in ‘wearing a SUICIDE VEST’ and TAKING HOSTAGES
By Pamela Geller on June 12, 2016
Where is gay leadership? Condemning me or my colleagues who oppose the most brutal and extreme ideology on the face of the earth.
Where are the left-wing, the gay and LGBT organizations denouncing the Islamic texts that inspire such mayhem and murder of gays? Where is that fierce gay leadership condemning Muslim oppression of gays under the sharia? The silence is deafening. ...
More at Pamela Geller's site (http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/devout-muslim-shoots-dead-at-least-20-at-florida-gay-club-after-bursting-in-wearing-a-suicide-vest-and-taking-hostages.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.h0Lq7mYj.dpuf)
Rest assured: the "deafening silence" will shortly be replaced by loud demands for gun control.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637414/Everyone-running-Gunman-bursts-gay-nightclub-Florida-shoots-20-people-taking-hostages.html
Suspected Islamic extremist shoots dead at least 20 at Florida gay club after bursting in 'wearing a suicide vest' and taking hostages - injuring a further 42 - before he is killed in shootout
Suspected Islamic extremist opened fire inside Pulse gay club in Orlando in the early hours of this morning
He shot more than 40 people - killing about 20 - and took party-goers hostage before being killed by police
Shooter, believed to be in his 20s, was carrying a suspicious device, possibly a suicide vest, when he attacked
Police used an explosive device to distract the gunman and rescue around 30 people who had been taken hostage
Police engaged in gunfire with the man and an officer was shot in the head, but he was saved by his helmet
FBI says gunman may have 'leanings to radical Islamic terrorism' and it is being investigated as 'an act of terrorism'
Took place four miles from where The Voice singer Christina Grimmie, 22, was shot dead at The Plaza Live on Friday
By Matt Hunter For Mailonline and Jenny Stanton For Dailymail.com
Published: 03:08 EST, 12 June 2016 | Updated: 08:01 EST, 12 June 2016
more at link with photos
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Sunday, June 12, 2016
Reminder: Islam Does Not Approve of the Gay Lifestyle
Here we are only 7 days into Ramadan 2016 and already we’ve had an Islamic terrorist attack on American soil? That’s certainly what it looks like. How do we know? Police officials did not tell us that terrorism was ruled out. I take that to mean it’s been ruled in; what do you think? ...
More at Michelle Obama's Mirror (http://www.michellesmirror.com/2016/06/reminder-islam-does-not-approve-of-gay.html#.V11gO6IYG9h)
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CBSN Verified account
@CBSNLive
JUST IN: Orlando nightclub shooter ID'd as Omar S. Mateen, law enforcement sources tell @CBSNews http://cbsn.ws/24JpYX7
Subsequent tweet:
CBS News @CBSNews 6m6 minutes ago
MORE: Orlando shooter ID'd as Omar Mateen, U.S. citizen from Port St. Lucie, FL http://cbsn.ws/1PU8x4x
If that is the shooter, he is a registered democrat: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkwMauOUkAA2mvF.jpg:large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkwMauOUkAA2mvF.jpg:large)
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This must be him.
http://radaris.com/~Omar-Mateen/923457498
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/profile01/140/433e1cfcd3e54795a0fe8fd4f532740d/t.jpg)
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It appears that the local SWAT team saved innumerable lives by storming the gunman with flash-bangs and an armored vehicle and shooting him dead. As bad as this is, it could have been a lot worse had police hesitated.
Lets see where this goes...
:smokin:
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Rest assured: the "deafening silence" will shortly be replaced by loud demands for gun control.
...and demands to institute a temporary moratorium on Muslim refugees. But that would require the administration to muster the courage, or even the inclination, to protect America and Americans of every demographic.
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:0001:
(I have no words)
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It appears that the local SWAT team saved innumerable lives by storming the gunman with flash-bangs and an armored vehicle and shooting him dead. As bad as this is, it could have been a lot worse had police hesitated.
Lets see where this goes...
:smokin:
It appears they waited 3 hours before going in. Early reports, so can't say if those reports are accurate.
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...and demands to institute a temporary moratorium on Muslim refugees. But that would require the administration to muster the courage, or even the inclination, to protect America and Americans of every demographic.
US citizen. Not a refugee.
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The Washington Post and New York Times BOTH omitted the FACT that it is Islamic Terrorism.
Newt Gringrich...just a few moments ago on FOXNEWS Sunday, said, paraphrased....
"The media is dishonest. The American People know the media lie about everything....the state of the world, the state of our economy, who's benefiting in DC from the trade deals. It's exactly why Donald Trump is favored".
Well, we know for certain that Trump and his team will dance in the blood the minute they get the opportunity.
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Well, we know for certain that Trump and his team will dance in the blood the minute they get the opportunity.
We know no such thing.
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Well, we know for certain that Trump and his team will dance in the blood the minute they get the opportunity.
This thread has NOTHING to do with Trump...please keep it that way!
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Please - let's stick to the subject and not drag the presidential race into this thread.
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The Washington Post and New York Times BOTH omitted the FACT that it is Islamic Terrorism.
Newt Gringrich...just a few moments ago on FOXNEWS Sunday, said, paraphrased....
"The media is dishonest. The American People know the media lie about everything....the state of the world, the state of our economy, who's benefiting in DC from the trade deals. It's exactly why Donald Trump is favored".
.....And YOU omitted Newt's actually saying..."It's exactly why Trump and Sanders are favored"......
Nice try though to push Trump, but some listen more than others I suppose.
:bullie smokin:
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This must be him.
http://radaris.com/~Omar-Mateen/923457498
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/profile01/140/433e1cfcd3e54795a0fe8fd4f532740d/t.jpg)
Yep...looks that way....Parents fro Aphganistan.....
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-shooter-cbs-news/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48857953.cached.jpg)
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-shooter-cbs-news/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48857953.cached.jpg)
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This thread has NOTHING to do with Trump...please keep it that way!
I wasn't the first one to mention him.
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Please - let's stick to the subject and not drag the presidential race into this thread.
Believe me, I am a loathe to bring politics in, but surely in a presidential election year terrorism is an important issue and relatable to the presidential race.
But, not to disturb the flow, that's as much as I'll say on the subject...
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What struck me when I saw this at something like 3 AM this morning was the BBC was about the only place, they still are, saying "gay bar" but at the same time, I think NY Times, WaPo and the BBC are not saying at least for now, that it is Islamic violence. Maybe early on, that is proper reporting.
My condolences to the victims.
It sounds like they are saying this shooter was born in 1986 to Afghan parents; maybe they are American citizens but that seems to be his background nonetheless.
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This thread has NOTHING to do with Trump...please keep it that way!
It is another poster who introduced stumpy by way of a paraphrase of gingrich.
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Party registration was posted on FR-- of course, being from FR, take this with a grain of salt. I can't guarantee they fact checked it or validated it is the same person.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkwT9OuWgAASv8T.jpg)
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Early reports.
Man is "not a US citizen". Has a history of making terror threats. Is Muslim.
Gee...why did the MSM claim out of the gate that he was a "citizen"? In order to use the term "Domestic Terrorism"? For gun grabbing?
Or...does that fact it happened on American soil qualify as "domestic terrorism"?
Therefore, September 11th, 2001 was "domestic terrorism", too. Right? :whistle:
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Fox reporting that the police waited 3 hours before rescuing hostages. Possible Islamic terrorism investigation by FBI.
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Seddique or its equivalents, Siddiqui, etc.; that must be a last name like Smith in commonality in that part of the world. At least around Pakistan where Afghanistan is.
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Gee...why did the MSM claim out of the gate that he was a "citizen"? In order to use the term "Domestic Terrorism"? For gun grabbing?
Or...does that fact it happened on American soil qualify as "domestic terrorism"?
Therefore, September 11th, 2001 was "domestic terrorism", too. Right? :whistle:
Sounds like a fog of war issue. A lot of early reports are mixed. If the voter registration is legit (came from FR so who knows), then he was a citizen unless Florida allows non-citizens to vote. Well, it was a Democrat registration so who knows.
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Sounds like a fog of war issue. A lot of early reports are mixed. If the voter registration is legit (came from FR so who knows), then he was a citizen unless Florida allows non-citizens to vote. Well, it was a Democrat registration so who knows.
A registered Democrat? I'd LOL...but this isn't at all funny.
Furthermore...I'll bet anybody that the death toll is close to double the number reported.
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Worse terrorist attack since 911 they were saying on Fox; so, I guess, it is barely worse than Fort Hood per body-count.
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Sounds like a fog of war issue. A lot of early reports are mixed. If the voter registration is legit (came from FR so who knows), then he was a citizen unless Florida allows non-citizens to vote. Well, it was a Democrat registration so who knows.
"fog of war"......more like media tripping over themselves to break the story.
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Media really pulling out all the stops to erase the fact that this was an Islamic terror attack (ISIS warned would happen in Florida just a few days ago: http://shoebat.com/2016/06/09/major-muslim-terrorists-makes-this-declaration-to-all-americans-we-are-coming-after-you-we-will-attack-florida-and-slaughter-americans-there/ ).
Media now only using the term "Domestic Terrorism", "Domestic Terrorist" - no mention of Islam.
Waiting for the chants of the "Ban guns and suicide vests" crowd to chirp in.
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Another white male GOP tea partier I take it?
/s
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So how does the Democrat party defend both of its constituencies, the Gays and the Muslims, who are clearly incompatible with each other?
Simple: call it a 'rogue' or something else, like blaming Donald Trump's hate speech that caused the guy to go beserk/
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People took to Facebook to share information on the shooting. Under the Pulse club post they wrote that the attacker had an assault rifle and was barricaded inside with hostages.
(https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.06/original/575d1549c46188c1768b4567.jpg)
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Another white male GOP tea partier I take it?
/s
They were all hoping he was.
Instead we find that he was a registered Democrat and voted.
Have just heard reports that he was NOT a citizen.
I know somebody who's going to have a lot to say about this. :smokin:
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It appears they waited 3 hours before going in. Early reports, so can't say if those reports are accurate.
yah...apparently this guy took a lot of hostages right off the bat. And this all started at 2 AM local time as well. From first shot to the end three hours later, considering the circumstances facing them I'd say they did damned well.
This is a textbook example of why local law enforcement needs moderately heavy tactical equipment like full dressed out SWAT teams, armored cars and heavy semi-automatic firearms. The shooter had multiple weapons and possibly a suicide vest and/or other explosives.
Let's see what accurate reports emerge by Monday morning, given that almost 100% of the time, early reports of what happened are spectacularly wrong. San Bernadino did not happen in a vacuum; in fact there was considerable opportunity to stop it beforehand had the idiot helping the perp not done so. Lets see who knew this shooter and how much law enforcement already knew about him before now. I doubt he had an instantaneous conversion and came up with this idea spontaneously.
Perhaps he owns a 7-11 franchise and the trangender bathroom fiasco sent him over the edge...
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Worse terrorist attack since 911 they were saying on Fox; so, I guess, it is barely worse than Fort Hood per body-count.
I read 20 dead and 42 injured........
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So how does the Democrat party defend both of its constituencies, the Gays and the Muslims, who are clearly incompatible with each other?
Simple: call it a 'rogue' or something else, like blaming Donald Trump's hate speech that caused the guy to go beserk/
Bingo. You have one group (Radical Islamists) that the Preezy will not mention by name that just went after the current preferred celebrity minority (LGBTQ) that he can't stop talking about while forcing more special rights for them down everyone else's throat.
Remember, inside every "Moderate Muslim" is a Radical Muslim fighting to get out.
:smokin:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii04Tq5NHQk
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"fog of war"......more like media tripping over themselves to break the story.
Yea, that's pretty much true. I just used that as the standard phrase for not trusting any story early until it is confirmed.
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The media, pundits, and politicos will be breathlessly telling us how to think.
So much devastation for lives, for families... and we will be told over and over how to think. I loathe that.
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Now reporting changes from 20 ..........'50 dead 50 Injured'..............
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They were all hoping he was.
Instead we find that he was a registered Democrat and voted.
Have just heard reports that he was NOT a citizen.
I know somebody who's going to have a lot to say about this. :smokin:
Disclaimer- We MAY have found his voter registration. That came from FR so you know how quick they are to jump on possible fake images or assume the same name it is the same person. That image even shows whatever was searched hit 3 results so we don't know what the others say.
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Bingo. You have one group (Radical Islamists) that the Preezy will not mention by name that just went after the current preferred celebrity minority (LGBTQ) that he can't stop talking about while forcing more special rights for them down everyone else's throat.
Remember, inside every "Moderate Muslim" is a Radical Muslim fighting to get out.
:smokin:
Chief, this is a better forum when you are in it.
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Now reporting changes from 20 ..........'50 dead 50 Injured'..............
Yep....just as I suspected.
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...and demands to institute a temporary moratorium on Muslim refugees. But that would require the administration to muster the courage, or even the inclination, to protect America and Americans of every demographic.
Why would you wish to depend upon the adminstration?
Why doesn't Speaker Ryan get a law passed in the House, Mitch in the Senate, and dare Obama to veto it? The GOP could use the bully pulpit for once.
This can be done in very short order, and the Dems will be very hesitant to be considered pro-Islam if this is the case.
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Why would you wish to depend upon the adminstration?
Why doesn't Speaker Ryan get a law passed in the House, Mitch in the Senate, and dare Obama to veto it? The GOP could use the bully pulpit for once.
This can be done in very short order, and the Dems will be very hesitant to be considered pro-Islam if this is the case.
I like it! :beer:
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Enlarged photo of shooter....
(http://www.dallasvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Screen-Shot-2016-06-12-at-9.09.53-AM.png)
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Now reporting changes from 20 ..........'50 dead 50 Injured'..............
That's going to be significant if so. I don't doubt it. **nononono*
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I just visited DummyUnderground. It's hysterical how many Dummies tie themselves into ideological knots to try and show that some "right-wing, Christian nut" was probably responsible for the slaughter. Some are even blaming Trump.
But there are a number of relatively sane Dummies who are calling out the dumb as a box of rocks Dummies for their failure to acknowledge Islamic terrorism. Especially terrorism targeting homosexuals.
It's incredible how many of these people just refuse to accept the fact of Islamic radicalism.
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Why would you wish to depend upon the adminstration?
Why doesn't Speaker Ryan get a law passed in the House, Mitch in the Senate, and dare Obama to veto it? The GOP could use the bully pulpit for once.
This can be done in very short order, and the Dems will be very hesitant to be considered pro-Islam if this is the case.
Mafteen was not a refugee. That would be a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction.
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Mateen’s Parents Are From Afghanistan & He Was Married in 2009
Both of Mateen’s parents are originally from Afghanistan, according to CBS News.
Mateen was born in New York, NBC News reports.
He was married in 2009, public records show. It is not clear if he was still married at the time of the attack.
Mateen is a registered Democrat who has also lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, according to online records.
(http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2016/06/12/780/438/694940094001_4936507381001_061216-ff-doocyorlando-1280.jpg)
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The media, pundits, and politicos will be breathlessly telling us how to think.
So much devastation for lives, for families... and we will be told over and over how to think. I loathe that.
Maybe 10 minutes ago, MSNBC was going on about how the murderer was enraged in days past by the sight of two men kissing.
I'm guessing the propaganda ploy will be geared toward "gay hate".
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That's going to be significant if so. I don't doubt it. **nononono*
Yes it rose to 50 dead....reported by Police Spokesan news conference a short while ago.
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Worse terrorist attack since 911 they were saying on Fox; so, I guess, it is barely worse than Fort Hood per body-count.
Do you mean the Fort Hood incident, whereby the terrorist WAS a US Citizen ??
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Maybe 10 minutes ago, MSNBC was going on about how the murderer was enraged in days past by the sight of two men kissing.
I'm guessing the propaganda ploy will be geared toward "gay hate".
I'm guessing that's not propaganda.
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Get ready for a full-scale assault on your 2a rights.
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It is Orwellian how some liberals are looking at this.
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Yes it rose to 50 dead....reported by Police Spokesan news conference a short while ago.
It appears the surrounding hospitals were woefully inadequate to handle that many shooting victims.
How else does a number of dead go from 20 (bodies at scene?) to 50? Plus, now, 54 wounded?
They probably bled out before they could be helped.
Damned shame. **nononono*
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Disclaimer- We MAY have found his voter registration. That came from FR so you know how quick they are to jump on possible fake images or assume the same name it is the same person. That image even shows whatever was searched hit 3 results so we don't know what the others say.
Really good point. Material from tos is automatically to be judged as likely false or faked until proven otherwise.
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. @tombrokaw just called for the banning of a gun that does not exist!
https://twitter.com/benfergusonshow/status/741997910334668804
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Why would you wish to depend upon the adminstration?
Why doesn't Speaker Ryan get a law passed in the House, Mitch in the Senate, and dare Obama to veto it? The GOP could use the bully pulpit for once.
This can be done in very short order, and the Dems will be very hesitant to be considered pro-Islam if this is the case.
Why would they do that? The GOP (or rather the Alt Dem Party) would never fight against its brother.
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It is already illegal in Florida for a gun to be carried in any establishment accommodating more than 50 people where alcohol is served.
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Mafteen was not a refugee. That would be a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction.
What are you possibly saying?
A poster said that a moratorium on Muslim refugees might be something to think about but he considered it unlikely that the administration would do anything.
I stated that one should not depend upon the administration but to get Congress involved IF this was proven to be Islam/ISIS-inspired.
What agenda do you have that would think this is a 'ridiculous knee-jerk reaction' to get Congress involved rather than to depend upon Obama?
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Get ready for a full-scale assault on your 2a rights.
The director for the Center on American Progress is tweeting up a storm blaming this on the NRA and lack of gun control laws.
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Mafteen was not a refugee. That would be a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction.
A pity someone didn't have a ridiculous knee jerk reaction long ago and keep this out of the country.
So, how long has the murderer been here without assimilating?
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There was an 'Armed officer in the club' during club shooting and responded but could not stop the shooter...I wonder if he was the officer shot. It's likely.
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What are you possibly saying?
A poster said that a moratorium on Muslim refugees might be something to think about but he considered it unlikely that the administration would do anything.
I stated that one should not depend upon the administration but to get Congress involved IF this was proven to be Islam/ISIS-inspired.
What agenda do you have that would think this is a 'ridiculous knee-jerk reaction' to get Congress involved rather than to depend upon Obama?
Mateen was not a refugee. What point would there be in passing a law halting the flow of refugees, except as a lashing-out against Muslims?
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A pity someone didn't have a ridiculous knee jerk reaction long ago and keep this out of the country.
So, how long has the murderer been here without assimilating?
He's been here all his life. He was born in New York.
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The director for the Center on American Progress is tweeting up a storm blaming this on the NRA and lack of gun control laws.
You can bet Ol Hillary will have her team of twitters and facebook junkies pushing for gun control...I'm seeing it pop up pretty often now.
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A pity someone didn't have a ridiculous knee jerk reaction long ago and keep this out of the country.
So, how long has the murderer been here without assimilating?
Although it is considered a foreign country by many, it appears the shooter was born in New York.
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The director for the Center on American Progress is tweeting up a storm blaming this on the NRA and lack of gun control laws.
Of course. Can't blame a radical Islamist democrat, that's not allowed under the rules of engagement for social justice warriors.
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What are you possibly saying?
A poster said that a moratorium on Muslim refugees might be something to think about but he considered it unlikely that the administration would do anything.
I stated that one should not depend upon the administration but to get Congress involved IF this was proven to be Islam/ISIS-inspired.
What agenda do you have that would think this is a 'ridiculous knee-jerk reaction' to get Congress involved rather than to depend upon Obama?
I believe the reference to knee-jerk was to getting an immediate law blocking Muslim refugees (or migrants generally) because this guy was not a migrant, he was American born and bred. Hometown terrorist, if you will.
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What are you possibly saying?
A poster said that a moratorium on Muslim refugees might be something to think about but he considered it unlikely that the administration would do anything.
I stated that one should not depend upon the administration but to get Congress involved IF this was proven to be Islam/ISIS-inspired.
What agenda do you have that would think this is a 'ridiculous knee-jerk reaction' to get Congress involved rather than to depend upon Obama?
Sinkspur doesn't want anything to happen that would give credence to a certain political candidate. His sole purpose here for the last 9 months has been to ....well....you know what I mean.
That said, it appears he was a natural born citizen. However, ISIS publicly warned 3 days ago that they were going to attack in Florida.
Can't have it both ways, @sinkspur .
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You can bet Ol Hillary will have her team of twitters and facebook junkies pushing for gun control...I'm seeing it pop up pretty often now.
For some reason, Hillary decided to tweet her response in Spanish. I'm not kidding.
Translated- I woke up with the devastating news FL. While we await more information, my thoughts are with those affected by this horrible act
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However, ISIS publicly warned 3 days ago that they were going to attack in Florida.
Wow, is that true?
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I believe the reference to knee-jerk was to getting an immediate law blocking Muslim refugees (or migrants generally) because this guy was not a migrant, he was American born and bred. Hometown terrorist, if you will.
Well...it shouldn't be difficult to trace the origins for his hate. You won't find any Tea Party people involved.
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Wow, is that true?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/isis-announced-florida-attack-three-days-ago/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/isis-announced-florida-attack-three-days-ago/)
top left of page on DRUDGE
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He's been here all his life. He was born in New York.
As long as there's Mosques, the Koran and Islam are being promoted and supported in this country there will be attacks. They do not come here to assimulate and no longer expected to....the Gov. agenda now is that they 'integrate'.....which is a distinction because that is having their communities 'along side ours' and we are to accept this as the new norm.
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This is a particularly inappropriate event for liberals to hang the gun control hat on because this terrorist could just as easily have used a bomb - last I knew, it was not unheard of for terrorists to bomb night clubs - the issue front and square is terrorism and the cultures that breed, foster, and accommodate, terrorism (that would include the liberal culture, which passively promotes the growth of the terrorist mindset through tolerance and neglect).
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Wow, is that true?
Yes and no. They were referring to the big kill list that was released so it covers most of the country. Each local news agency though ran it about local people on the list so it was taken as such.
ISIS 'kill list' targets Palm Beach, Treasure Coast residents: Ex-FBI agent
By Kathleen Walter Wednesday, June 8th 2016
http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/isis-kill-list-targets-palm-beach-treasure-coast-residents-ex-fbi-agent
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Where did ISIS do that?
Why don't you stick to the subject, DC, instead of slamming me. Are you already on the sauce?
Sorry, Sink.
But, I am sticking to the subject.
You are obviously conflicted over this. It's understandable.
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Well...it shouldn't be difficult to trace the origins for his hate. You won't find any Tea Party people involved.
Duh, captain obvious.
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This is a particularly inappropriate event for liberals to hang the gun control hat on because this terrorist could just as easily have used a bomb - last I knew, it was not unheard of for terrorists to bomb night clubs - the issue front and square is terrorism and the cultures that breed, foster, and accommodate, terrorism (that would include the liberal culture, which passively promotes the growth of the terrorist mindset through tolerance and neglect).
:patriot:
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Well...it shouldn't be difficult to trace the origins for his hate. You won't find any Tea Party people involved.
One of the things Trump has been correct about is immigration. We should suspend all immigration from Muslim countries. The shooter was born in the USA, but I don't believe the mosques in the USA would be so radicalized if it weren't for the inflow of radical muslims and dollars from Saudia Arabia.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/isis-announced-florida-attack-three-days-ago/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/isis-announced-florida-attack-three-days-ago/)
top left of page on DRUDGE
See post above. I'm not saying they aren't responsible, but GP is twisting that story a bit. ISIS released a big kill list of about 30K people around the country. Many local news agencies ran stories on locals threatened. GP is twisting that particular story to say it is a direct threat related to this when it was actually just part of a blanket threat across the US written for a local audience. (and it wasn't even an Orlando story).
I'm sure it was ISIS related or inspired, but that is more of a statement on GP's turning into buzzfeed with how it treats stories.
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As long as there's Mosques, the Koran and Islam are being promoted and supported in this country there will be attacks. They do not come here to assimulate and no longer expected to....the Gov. agenda now is that they 'integrate'.....which is a distinction because that is having their communities 'along side ours' and we are to accept this as the new norm.
That's a stereotype. I work with three Muslims who are observing Ramadan and who will no doubt be horrified by this. And they know they'll be looked at sideways for a while even though they would never agree with something like this.
Maybe the guy was just anti-gay. That sentiment is not limited to Muslims.
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Bars, virtually any kind of bar and especially crowded ones, have always struck me as vulnerable to something like this, even with bouncers and security. Maybe this is even a tiny bit like when restaurants get shot up in the cartel wars in Mexico.
Yes, 50+ is being listed now.
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Duh, captain obvious.
To you and me...of course.
To the Obama Administration?
Not so obvious.
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Sorry, Sink.
But, I am sticking to the subject.
You are obviously conflicted over this. It's understandable.
Not conflicted at all. Just trying to stick to facts.
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See post above. I'm not saying they aren't responsible, but GP is twisting that story a bit. ISIS released a big kill list of about 30K people around the country. Many local news agencies ran stories on locals threatened. GP is twisting that particular story to say it is a direct threat related to this when it was actually just part of a blanket threat across the US written for a local audience. (and it wasn't even an Orlando story).
I'm sure it was ISIS related or inspired, but that is more of a statement on GP's turning into buzzfeed with how it treats stories.
Well...it IS Ramadan.
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall of his mosque this past week...what was being preached.
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One of the things Trump has been correct about is immigration. We should suspend all immigration from Muslim countries. The shooter was born in the USA, but I don't believe the mosques in the USA would be so radicalized if it weren't for the inflow of radical muslims and dollars from Saudia Arabia.
How do you know where he got radicalized? Are you going to shut down all internet access too, because that's almost certainly where he got it from, not from some local imam.
Trump couldn't do a damned thing about it (not that he would really want to, seeing how he was so gung-ho for De Blasio and the other NYC enablers back in 2013 when De Blasio was elected).
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Although it is considered a foreign country by many, it appears the shooter was born in New York.
Then it should be safe to conclude that the recent imports may never assimilate either, correct?
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Omar was a licensed security guard with firearms license
MATEEN, OMAR
D 2723758 ISSUED, EXPIRES 09/14/2017 - https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/access/individual.aspx?TYPE=INDIVIDUAL&CATEGORY=&COUNTY=00&LICENSE=D%202723758&STATUS=IND_DETAIL
G 2704169 ISSUED, EXPIRES 09/13/2017 - https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/access/individual.aspx?TYPE=INDIVIDUAL&CATEGORY=&COUNTY=00&LICENSE=G%202704169&STATUS=IND_DETAIL
Application For Security Officer License - Class "d" (FDACS-16007) [pdf] - http://forms.freshfromflorida.com/16007.pdf
Application For Statewide Firearm License- Class "g" (FDACS-16008) [pdf] - http://forms.freshfromflorida.com/16008.pdf
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Then it should be safe to conclude that the recent imports may never assimilate either, correct?
No it shouldn't.
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Obama will blame the NRA probably
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Omar was a licensed security guard with firearms license
MATEEN, OMAR
D 2723758 ISSUED, EXPIRES 09/14/2017 - https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/access/individual.aspx?TYPE=INDIVIDUAL&CATEGORY=&COUNTY=00&LICENSE=D%202723758&STATUS=IND_DETAIL
G 2704169 ISSUED, EXPIRES 09/13/2017 - https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/access/individual.aspx?TYPE=INDIVIDUAL&CATEGORY=&COUNTY=00&LICENSE=G%202704169&STATUS=IND_DETAIL
Application For Security Officer License - Class "d" (FDACS-16007) [pdf] - http://forms.freshfromflorida.com/16007.pdf
Application For Statewide Firearm License- Class "g" (FDACS-16008) [pdf] - http://forms.freshfromflorida.com/16008.pdf
Which should mean he underwent some sort of a background check as well, correct?
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Blood bank in Crisis so donors lining up to give blood........gays donating and accepted as well.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkwgWuRWEAEcg6w.jpg)
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No it shouldn't.
Dearborn, Michigan anybody? :whistle:
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And to counter the "I work with Muslims" statement; I know a fine Egyptian man and he does not care to go to the Mosques here with whatever the deal is . So, take that however.
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How does one shooter wound/kill 103 people?
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Texas has an idiot for a Lieutenant Governor:
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How does one shooter wound/kill 103 people?
An unarmed crowd.
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Texas has an idiot for a Lieutenant Governor:
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what happened
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Which should mean he underwent some sort of a background check as well, correct?
Yep, second set of links.
He is also the type of person the left says should be the only people allowed to own guns.
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As long as there's Mosques, the Koran and Islam are being promoted and supported in this country there will be attacks. They do not come here to assimulate and no longer expected to....the Gov. agenda now is that they 'integrate'.....which is a distinction because that is having their communities 'along side ours' and we are to accept this as the new norm.
So right. Islam is antithetical to Judeo-Christian values and ethics. First mosque US built in Ross, ND in 1929 and the second in Cedar Rapids, Iowa in 1934. Yet Zero tells us islam has been part of the US since its founding. The House of Saud is working towards our destruction.
http://nypost.com/2016/04/16/how-saudi-arabia-undermines-the-united-states/
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One of the things Trump has been correct about is immigration. We should suspend all immigration from Muslim countries. The shooter was born in the USA, but I don't believe the mosques in the USA would be so radicalized if it weren't for the inflow of radical muslims and dollars from Saudia Arabia.
His parents were muslims that were admitted. That turned out very badly for the 20+ people that would be murdered by their America born son.
What about other relatives, friends/contacts of the couple? BTW the male San Bernardino shooter was a native born US citizen, too.
Rational minds will see we have a problem, and excuse makers, appeasers, will spin, spin.
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Dearborn, Michigan anybody? :whistle:
Doesn't need to be a Muzzie with a gun, to shoot up people in Detroit. There are enough black citizens with illegal guns who do that for them.
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what happened
You tell me. Why would he tweet out something like this?
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ESPN broke in to their regular programming and said this was the worse mass shooting in US history if the number is now 50 plus dead. 53? Maybe they said.
Or did someone say 103 now?
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That's a stereotype. I work with three Muslims who are observing Ramadan and who will no doubt be horrified by this. And they know they'll be looked at sideways for a while even though they would never agree with something like this.
Maybe the guy was just anti-gay. That sentiment is not limited to Muslims.
We will most definitely disagree on the issue of Islam and Muslims. Has nothing to do with being stereotype rather years of study on the Islamic Culture, beliefs and Islamic agenda in this country and outside it.
You are certainly free to entertain whatever opinion you have of their culture and their beliefs, I don't share those rather I believe exactly what they say...not what that want us to believe they say.
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That's a stereotype. I work with three Muslims who are observing Ramadan and who will no doubt be horrified by this. And they know they'll be looked at sideways for a while even though they would never agree with something like this.
Maybe the guy was just anti-gay. That sentiment is not limited to Muslims.
Very true. The homophobia at FR was mind-boggling for me. Very angry and hate-filled.
More than a few Jeff Gannons over there IMO.
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Then it should be safe to conclude that the recent imports may never assimilate either, correct?
Here is one aspect worth considering: The San Bernardino male shooter, and the Orlando shooter, appear to both be native born citizens, born to muslim immigrants.
Am I the only one that sees a pattern and a huge risk, with these people and what they bring to America?
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DC and sink stop the bickering..
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His parents were muslims that were admitted. That turned out very badly for the 20+ people that would be murdered by their America born son.
I think its 50 now.
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This attack will do what terrorism does best. Keep people from going to popular places and in turn cause those businesses money.
Schools are letting out for the summer...people are beginning to plan vacations to that area...and now this.
I'd expect to see cancellations increase starting today or tomorrow.
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That's a stereotype. I work with three Muslims who are observing Ramadan and who will no doubt be horrified by this. And they know they'll be looked at sideways for a while even though they would never agree with something like this.
Maybe the guy was just anti-gay. That sentiment is not limited to Muslims.
I believe this thinking is wrong.
Devout muslims are taught in the koran to brutalize, kill, enslave, mistreat any nonbelievers and will be rewarded by allah for doing so. The problem is with islam itself. It always has been. The terrorists who destroy themselves and kill innocent non believers in addition to being mentally unstable are fulfilling a martyr complex.
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How does one shooter wound/kill 103 people?
Confined space, bottleneck exits, panicking victims, and time.
Unfortunately not that difficult in the right circumstances- like a packed nightclub.
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Interesting is the first and largest mass shooting in history in the gay community was done by a Muslim.......
Muslims certainly are setting a lot of "firsts" on American soil.
IMO I would like to know who else in the shooters life knew he was considering this act and preparing for. They always tell someone in their family generally and or close associates when in the stages of planning...
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Houston News @abc13houston 3h3 hours ago
The FBI says shooter at #PulseNightclub may have been inspired by ISIS. More: http://abc13.com/1381909/ #abc13
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Texas has an idiot for a Lieutenant Governor:
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I'm not sure Patrick meant that in relation to Florida. He made a few other similar tweets this morning not mentioning the shooting.
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Alan Greyson, a DimWit party member running for the Senate seat of Marco Rubio is calling this a "Hate Crime"
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How does one shooter wound/kill 103 people?
Gun Free Zone...lots of ammo and weapons that can fire lots of bullets at once. He had a lot of time in there to walk around unchallenged before SWAT decided to end the massacre and storm the building.
Saw a report too that one of the SWAT team members avoided having his head blown off thanks to his kevlar helmet when he engaged this POS.
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Houston News @abc13houston 3h3 hours ago
The FBI says shooter at #PulseNightclub may have been inspired by ISIS. More: http://abc13.com/1381909/ #abc13
It doesn't surprise me that this is inspired by ISIS.
What is surprising is how many "Infidels" are converted to this radicalism. But of course, this topic is not about an Infidel.
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This attack will do what terrorism does best. Keep people from going to popular places and in turn cause those businesses money.
Schools are letting out for the summer...people are beginning to plan vacations to that area...and now this.
I'd expect to see cancellations increase starting today or tomorrow.
I'm betting there will be few cancellations. This could happen anywhere.
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Here is one aspect worth considering: The San Bernardino male shooter, and the Orlando shooter, appear to both be native born citizens, born to muslim immigrants.
Am I the only one that sees a pattern and a huge risk, with these people and what they bring to America?
Of course you're not. Nor is it fear mongering to point this out.
Denial has always been a sort of buy now, pay later scheme.
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We will most definitely disagree on the issue of Islam and Muslims. Has nothing to do with being stereotype rather years of study on the Islamic Culture, beliefs and Islamic agenda in this country and outside it.
You are certainly free to entertain whatever opinion you have of their culture and their beliefs, I don't share those rather I believe exactly what they say...not what that want us to believe they say.
Taqqiya, sharia, hijera and jihad- tells me all I need to know. The face a muslim presents to non-muslims is suspect given their belief in lying to infidels. Muslims in islamic countries do not tolerate Christians or Jews or homosexuals and treat women like property. They hide behind the front of religion which consists of hate-filled rantings by a seventh century madman. Islam is a totalitarian death cult and certainly does not merit being protected by our religious freedom.
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As long as there's Mosques, the Koran and Islam are being promoted and supported in this country there will be attacks. They do not come here to assimulate and no longer expected to....the Gov. agenda now is that they 'integrate'.....which is a distinction because that is having their communities 'along side ours' and we are to accept this as the new norm.
I would add to that as long as CAIR and the MoBros have access to the WH and as long as we can't get intel from inside the Mosques we know are radical this will continue to happen.
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Taqqiya, sharia, hijera and jihad- tells me all I need to know. The face a muslim presents to non-muslims is suspect given their belief in lying to infidels. Muslims in islamic countries do not tolerate Christians or Jews or homosexuals and treat women like property. They hide behind the front of religion which consists of hate-filled rantings by a seventh century madman. Islam is a totalitarian death cult and certainly does not merit being protected by our religious freedom.
QFT
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Devout muslims are taught in the koran to brutalize, kill, enslave, mistreat any nonbelievers and will be rewarded by allah for doing so. The problem is with islam itself. It always has been. The terrorists who destroy themselves and kill innocent non believers in addition to being mentally unstable are fulfilling a martyr complex.
In my studies and research that is correct, as well, when they decide to go deeper into Islamic study as most shooters do....they generally are the most vulnerable, and targeted by those who recruit for Jihad in the extreme.
(http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/samharrisislamicfundamentalism-vi2.jpg)
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Confined space, bottleneck exits, panicking victims, and time.
Unfortunately not that difficult in the right circumstances- like a packed nightclub.
Perfect Target Rich Environment. (as someone might have pointed that out earlier)
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I'm not sure Patrick meant that in relation to Florida. He made a few other similar tweets this morning not mentioning the shooting.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Have a blessed Sunday! pic.twitter.com/RaoitzD7fV (https://t.co/RaoitzD7fV)</p>— Dan Patrick (@DanPatrick) June 12, 2016 (https://twitter.com/DanPatrick/status/741970814522662913)
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Dan Patrick is the most political animal in the state. Of course he chose these as political statements.
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Very true. The homophobia at FR was mind-boggling for me. Very angry and hate-filled.
More than a few Jeff Gannons over there IMO.
I wasn't going to mention it but I would just suggest avoiding the threads there, especially early on. Let's just say there were confusion as to how to react.
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Texas has an idiot for a Lieutenant Governor:
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This is not the first time, I've wondered where one is getting these sources because this looks like something some extreme left wing website might publish then, to just slander the man as an idiot.
:nono:
That's pretty bad.
This is like daily kos stuff or something; or I guess we just happen to be following the Lt. Gov. tweets.
It seems like some real leftwing stuff is being dumped here.
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How do you know where he got radicalized? Are you going to shut down all internet access too, because that's almost certainly where he got it from, not from some local imam.
Trump couldn't do a damned thing about it (not that he would really want to, seeing how he was so gung-ho for De Blasio and the other NYC enablers back in 2013 when De Blasio was elected).
Nonsense. The internet radicals are much easier to monitor than mosques.
The underlying problem is islam. It teaches violence. It promotes doing violence. Our law enforcement receives little support from muslims and little information about what is going on inside mosques. While a majority of muslims are not going to go out and do violence there is no condemnation of it, or aggressive attempt to stop those that promote it or do it.
Ending immigration from muslim nations would be no different than not allowing large waves of immigrants from communist bloc countries into the USA during the cold war years.
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Here is one aspect worth considering: The San Bernardino male shooter, and the Orlando shooter, appear to both be native born citizens, born to muslim immigrants.
Am I the only one that sees a pattern and a huge risk, with these people and what they bring to America?
It seems you can think it...But you just can't say it or the liberals will unleash the flying monkeys to hunt your ass down and beat into getting your mind right.
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Here is more info about the Terrorist:
http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-mateen-pulse-orlando-florida-shooting-gunman-attack-name-photos-facebook-motive-terrorism/
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This is not the first time, I've wondered where one is getting these sources because this looks like something some extreme left wing website might publish then, to just slander the man as an idiot.
:nono:
That's pretty bad.
This is like daily kos stuff or something; or I guess we just happen to be following the Lt. Gov. tweets.
It seems like some real leftwing stuff is being dumped here.
So Dan Patrick's tweets are leftwing? Thinking that this is some sort of conspiracy is ludicrous; Dan Patrick's attitudes toward gays are barely disguised.
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Orlando Gunman’s Father Says Son Reportedly Got Angry After Seeing Men Kissing
http://www.mediaite.com/online/orlando-gunmans-father-says-son-reportedly-got-angry-after-seeing-men-kissing/
https://twitter.com/BryanJFischer
Oh, we might offend Muslims, well, some of them.
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So Dan Patrick's tweets are leftwing? Thinking that this is some sort of conspiracy is ludicrous; Dan Patrick's attitudes toward gays are barely disguised.
So, one follows the Texas Lieutenant Governor's tweets and decides to libel someone an idiot. Well, if one is from Texas, perhaps it's fair game.
Stay classy and transparent.
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The only people who will be "dancing in the blood" of this will be Muslims all over the world.
They will dance just like they did with 9/11. They will pass out candy in the streets, just like they always do with every death of an 'Infidel'. And with this being a homosexual bar, hell, they will dance twice as much.
Allah hu Akbar, baby! Get used to it!
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Taqqiya, sharia, hijera and jihad- tells me all I need to know. The face a muslim presents to non-muslims is suspect given their belief in lying to infidels. Muslims in islamic countries do not tolerate Christians or Jews or homosexuals and treat women like property. They hide behind the front of religion which consists of hate-filled rantings by a seventh century madman. Islam is a totalitarian death cult and certainly does not merit being protected by our religious freedom.
Yes!.......until this nations people recognize Islam is not a religion rather a ideology with a clear political agenda for the Islamification of all nations, especially now the west as we can stop them and they know it....then these attacks will with certainty continue.
The Muslim Brotherhood is the "Mother" of all these other organizations operating here in the states as well as most other countries.
The only Eastern people I would consider possibly to change from what their ideology teaches are those who have fully denied the Koran and Islam and cease attending Mosques....and that only after they've been away from these for many years.....The indoctrination in this ideology begins in infancy...it takes years to come away from the affects. You can see this when you listen to those who say they've come away...if you have any understanding of their use of language....often the words we use mean soething entirely different in Islam.
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Why are we talking about the Lt. Gov in Texas again?
So, sounding like this one could be similar to the San Bernardino thing... radicalized somehow (via Internet or his mosque) and I'm sure the fact that this was a gay club factored in its targeting.
Seems like the FBI had him on their radar.
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Texas has an idiot for a Lieutenant Governor:
No we don't.
The left...the gay "mafia"...Islam all mock God in some form or fashion.
Reap what you sew seems to have happened in Orlando in the early morning hours today.
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...and there it is... (won't link to it).. a certain other site's Thorazine crowed is starting to chant 'false flag'.
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Why are we talking about the Lt. Gov in Texas again?
Because someone seems to think that he's an idiot for pointing out the consequences of the Liberal agenda in the U.S.
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50 dead on scene, 53 wounded and in the hospital in various conditions and many still in surgery. Shooter used at least an AR-15 & a handgun. This was planned, and the shooter must have been quickly reloading to inflict this many casualties this quickly.
Reports say SWAT rescued 30 hostages inside the building when they stormed it. Lots of second-guessing of law enforcement response, but I still say ending this in three hours in the wee hours of the morning in response to an atrocity of this magnitude, probably the second biggest terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11, shows tremendous bravery by the officers who pulled it off.
Time for the left to realize this is the face of Mainstream Islam. Homosexuals are thrown off of buildings in the Middle East, or strung up by the neck on a crane to strangle in Iran.
There is much more of this kind of thing to come as the Obama Administration continues to import Islamic extremists masquerading as "refugees" as fast as they can.
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...and there it is... (won't link to it).. a certain other site's Thorazine crowed is starting to chant 'false flag'.
These days though you have to ask if its DU crying false flag or FR. Used to be you automatically knew which was wearing the tinfoil.
Not so much anymore.
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Seems like the FBI had him on their radar.
They better fire the Radar operator's boss cuz he was asleep.
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Well the Gun grabbers are out in full force..
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These days though you have to ask if its DU crying false flag or FR. Used to be you automatically knew which was wearing the tinfoil.
Not so much anymore.
You know the old saying about going far enough one way you end up meeting the other side.. that's pretty much FR and DU. The attitudes are the same, just the names have changed.
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AIFD KEEPS VICTIMS OF ISLAMIST RADICALISM IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, CONDEMNS PULSE ATTACK
http://aifdemocracy.org/aifd-keeps-victims-of-islamist-radicalism-in-our-thoughts-and-prayers-condemns-pulse-attack/
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Well the Gun grabbers are out in full force..
The irony is he was a licensed security guard with a firearms license- the kind of person the left would have said should be the 'only person allowed to own a firearm'.
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...and there it is... (won't link to it).. a certain other site's Thorazine crowed is starting to chant 'false flag'.
False Flag for what??
Just no limits to the depth of human stupidity.
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It has always been confusing to me why the American Left continues to apologize for and support radical Islamists. It really is beyond bizarre.
Streisand, Whoopi, O'Donnel, Mikey Moore, Sean Penn, etc., these guys are all the very first people that the Islamists would murder if they could. Being a wacko Leftist does not give you a 'get of jail free card' with Islam. In fact, it makes you a higher value target.
They would kill Obama first if they could. He is what they call 'an apostate' (death sentence) and he is not 'sharia' enough for them.
If the Left has some fantasy going that they can 'reform Islam', they need to let go of that immediately, before they get themselves killed, and many of us along with them.
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You know the old saying about going far enough one way you end up meeting the other side.. that's pretty much FR and DU. The attitudes are the same, just the names have changed.
Yup I've used that analogy more than once over the years describing the fringes of both sides.
I know exactly what you mean. Sad to see ToS imitating a DLC front group.
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http://clashdaily.com/2016/06/dear-cnn-orlando-terrorist-muslim-registered-democrat-targeted-gays/
DEAR CNN: The Orlando Terrorist Was A Muslim, A Registered Democrat, Who Targeted Gays
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The irony is he was a licensed security guard with a firearms license- the kind of person the left would have said should be the 'only person allowed to own a firearm'.
I love the irony..
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False Flag for what??
Just no limits to the depth of human stupidity.
:smokin:
I'm sure they'll say it was staged by gun grabbers or to blame homophobes (LGBT pride month) or Daleks.
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Oh, we might offend Muslims, well, some of them.
Make no mistake His beliefs set him off, everyone has their beliefs offended in some way but they do not kill the offenders. But for Muslims "honor" regarding Islamic teachings is stretched to the extreme .....you can be killed for just about anything in Islamic countries which is what keeps their nations people under the yoke of the Imams and Gov. leadership....their laws are barbaric.
I belief his father knew of the changes in his son as the first response of the father of a mass murderer is protect Islam by saying it did not have to do with religion. ...In Islam it trumps everything including family.....
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It has always been confusing to me why the American Left continues to apologize for and support radical Islamists. It really is beyond bizarre.
Not really different than their support for Castro and other commie tyrants
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My way too early offensive post of the day.....
(http://i67.tinypic.com/54gjrp.jpg)
Something my mother would never have had to ask .....
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According to a response from a staffer on Dan Patrick's twitter page, he has automated tweets set up every Sunday at 7AM that tweets bible verses. This was a poor coincidence with that verse, not intentional.
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Senator Bill Nelson (D. Fla) is saying he has talked to "intelligence committee staff & Assistant Director of the Counter-Intelligence Center in Washington" and there appear to be links to ISIS. He's also siting the shooting the singer in Orlando yesterday as being linked as well.
Developing...
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My way too early offensive post of the day.....
Something my mother would never have had to ask .....
Dude. No. That's horrible.
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According to a response from a staffer on Dan Patrick's twitter page, he has automated tweets set up every Sunday at 7AM that tweets bible verses. This was a poor coincidence with that verse, not intentional.
I missed it and I ain't digging it up
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Officially the worst mass shooting atrocity in US History.
:smokin:
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I missed it and I ain't digging it up
The bible verse post was already deleted on his FB page. Looks like they are cleaning that up. I did check and he has very similar posts every single sunday on his pages so it does look automated. Very poor timing coincidence.
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Rest assured: the "deafening silence" will shortly be replaced by loud demands for gun control.
Exactly.....On This Week this morning I was expecting to hear just that....but didn't as of yet. It's coming though.......
May God grant peace to the family's of the victims.
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It has always been confusing to me why the American Left continues to apologize for and support radical Islamists. It really is beyond bizarre. ....................If the Left has some fantasy going that they can 'reform Islam', they need to let go of that immediately, before they get themselves killed, and many of us along with them.
The left is in bed with the Global Agenda which includes that of positioning the Islamic countries within the World Governance. The Muslim Brotherhood has representation in all nations which is why Hillary and the left cater to them....the Brotherhood has the influence with the Muslim coummunities worldwide...... the larger picture down the road, they want access to the oil wealth and revenues from these nations, and believe by including their leaders they can "control" them by giving them representation rather than fighting them...and by redistributing their populations throughout the world....especially to the western nations.
Islam already went through "reform"......when Mohammed went from teaching peace when he failed to get the following he wanted, to forced conversions and the establishment of Islamic law. There is no further reform possible according to the Koran and Islamic teachings without breaking Islamic Law....anything other would be considered a break fro Islam and not Islam at all.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkwOH4_XAAEXkZu.jpg)
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No we don't.
The left...the gay "mafia"...Islam all mock God in some form or fashion.
Reap what you sew seems to have happened in Orlando in the early morning hours today.
It's "sow."
So God's happy all those gay people got killed?
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You've gotta love those tolerant Muzzie's.But we mustn't judge a whole maniacal religion by the acts a few....the irony is so thick here it is palpable
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Yes!.......until this nations people recognize Islam is not a religion rather a ideology with a clear political agenda for the Islamification of all nations, especially now the west as we can stop them and they know it....then these attacks will with certainty continue.
The Muslim Brotherhood is the "Mother" of all these other organizations operating here in the states as well as most other countries.
The only Eastern people I would consider possibly to change from what their ideology teaches are those who have fully denied the Koran and Islam and cease attending Mosques....and that only after they've been away from these for many years.....The indoctrination in this ideology begins in infancy...it takes years to come away from the affects. You can see this when you listen to those who say they've come away...if you have any understanding of their use of language....often the words we use mean soething entirely different in Islam.
The Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the highest levels of our federal government with Obama and Hitlery each having their handlers. There are investigations in all 50 states into Islamic threats. The jihadis are here and will continue to act. Mateen got himself a security job and access to firearms-there are probably thousands like him waiting to go once they select their target. The media seems focused on whether they got orders from ISIS. They don't need any orders from anywhere else- their hatred toward infidels is part of their very being and their motivation.
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The FBI knows the Islamic shooter...
"Omar Mateen, Terrorist Who Attacked Orlando Gay Club, Had Been Investigated by FBI"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html
It'll be most interesting to find out if the agency was ordered to back off because he's Muslim.
Flashback:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/fbi_backing_off_investigating.html
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror
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The irony is he was a licensed security guard with a firearms license- the kind of person the left would have said should be the 'only person allowed to own a firearm'.
Think he used taqqiya while filling out his employment forms and answering security questions?
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PICTURED: Worst mass shooter in U.S. history - NYC-born 'Islamic extremist' Omar Mateen, 29, who shot dead 50 and injured 53 in Orlando gay club massacre was homophobe 'who got angry when he saw two men kissing'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637414/Everyone-running-Gunman-bursts-gay-nightclub-Florida-shoots-20-people-taking-hostages.html
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
Suspected Islamic extremist opened fire inside Pulse gay club in Orlando in the early hours of this morning
Law enforcement sources have identified the shooter as US citizen Omar Mateen, from Port St. Lucie in Florida
He killed at least 50 people and injured 53 and took party-goers hostage before being killed by police
Shooter, 29, was carrying a suspicious device, possibly a suicide vest, when he began shooting in the nightclub
Police used an explosive device to distract the gunman and rescue around 30 people who had been taken hostage
Police engaged in gunfire with the man and an officer was shot in the head, but he was saved by his helmet
FBI says gunman may have 'leanings to radical Islamic terrorism' and it is being investigated as 'an act of terrorism'
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Obama will speak to the nation at 1:30 pm ET.
You have been warned. 888blackhat
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Think he used taqqiya while filling out his employment forms and answering security questions?
Not sure any of the questions would have needed that. They don't ask about religion or belief systems (application linked earlier in the thread). Just usual background check stuff.
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Anyone commented about the date? 6/11? I guess technically it was early this morning 6/12. Just seems they like the 11s.
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Shooter Mateen became a person of interest to federal law enforcement in 2013 and again in 2014 before being identified as the gunman ...................................“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.”
CNN stated that according to Homeland Sec. and local law enforcement officials,... Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance” to ISIS and had been “heard praying in a foreign language.”
According to accounts from the scene, the gunman traded gunfire with a police officer 'before' entering Pulse at 2 a.m.T
Texting from the bathroom by one of the hostages:
Mina Justice’s son Eddie was inside the club and texted her when the gunshots erupted, the Associated Press reports. Justice told his mom he and others ran into the bathroom to hide.
.....“He’s coming,” Justice texted, ......adding later: “He has us, and he’s in here with us.”......
“That was the last conversation,” his mother said.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/20-dead-in-attack-on-orlando-gay-club.html
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some media outlets focusing on the real culprit....
high-capacity "clips"!!
**nononono*
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Shooter Mateen became a person of interest to federal law enforcement in 2013 and again in 2014 before being identified as the gunman ...................................“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.”
CNN stated that according to Homeland Sec. and local law enforcement officials,... Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance” to ISIS and had been “heard praying in a foreign language.”
According to accounts from the scene, the gunman traded gunfire with a police officer 'before' entering Pulse at 2 a.m.T
Texting from the bathroom by one of the hostages:
Mina Justice’s son Eddie was inside the club and texted her when the gunshots erupted, the Associated Press reports. Justice told his mom he and others ran into the bathroom to hide.
.....“He’s coming,” Justice texted, ......adding later: “He has us, and he’s in here with us.”......
“That was the last conversation,” his mother said.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/20-dead-in-attack-on-orlando-gay-club.html
The first part of your post makes me SO angry.
The second part with the text just breaks my heart. **nononono*
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Mina Justice’s son Eddie was inside the club and texted her when the gunshots erupted, the Associated Press reports. Justice told his mom he and others ran into the bathroom to hide.
.....“He’s coming,” Justice texted, ......adding later: “He has us, and he’s in here with us.”......
“That was the last conversation,” his mother said.
Now I can only wonder which bathroom... thanks a lot whoever that was earlier... lol
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Now I can only wonder which bathroom... thanks a lot whoever that was earlier... lol
not funny
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Not sure any of the questions would have needed that. They don't ask about religion or belief systems (application linked earlier in the thread). Just usual background check stuff.
Are there any questions about upholding the law?
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Now I can only wonder which bathroom... thanks a lot whoever that was earlier... lol
Sick.
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Obama will speak to the nation at 1:30 pm ET.
You have been warned. 888blackhat
Islam is peaceful! Islam is beautiful! This is not Islam! Islam is the best most beautiful thing on Earth!
Uh, uh,... It's those goddam Christians who are making all the trouble, with their guns and their God!
Don't blame Islam for this. It is only one or two Muslims. That's all.
This is Trump's fault! Islam is WONDERFUL! ALL HAIL ALLAH!
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I have one thing to say about this massacre.
I hope the alphabet soup lobby now realizes what TRUE "hate" is. Not some Christian baker respectfully saying no when lesbians demand he bake them a cake.
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Horrified.
hearts out to victims.
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Obama will speak to the nation at 1:30 pm ET.
You have been warned. 888blackhat
And he'll say that Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the massacre, and that it's all the NRA's fault.
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And he'll say that Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the massacre, and that it's all the NRA's fault.
Guns, religion, anti-gay sentiment.
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This just went out to top LA law enforcement officials. Suspect w/ assault weapons, camo arrested in West Hollywood.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckw4ZsPUoAAeOuG.jpg)
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Guns, religion, anti-gay sentiment.
darn high-capacity magazines that liberals call "clips"
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Shooter in Daily Wear Clothing...and then in Islamic Muslim Clothing......
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/12/16/352EA00600000578-3637414-image-a-125_1465746336503.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/12/16/352EA01300000578-3637414-image-a-124_1465746334177.jpg)
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This is a textbook example of why local law enforcement needs moderately heavy tactical equipment like full dressed out SWAT teams, armored cars and heavy semi-automatic firearms.
Are you suggested that the Orlando cops DON'T have those items?
@Chieftain
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(http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=343176)
http://www.jpost.com/International/Shooting-breaks-out-at-Florida-gay-nightclub-456539
Jerusalem Post:
50 dead, 53 injured in possible terror attack at Orlando nightclub
Possible? You think so?
Anyway, I think JPost is thought to be liberal.
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These people who do these horrible things, imagine being a part of their family and having to live with this afterwards.
The father says of his son in the article, "this wasn't terrorism, that the son just got upset seeing two men kiss"; paraphrasing.
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This is a textbook example of why local law enforcement needs moderately heavy tactical equipment like full dressed out SWAT teams, armored cars and heavy semi-automatic firearms.
Are you suggested that the Orlando cops DON'T have those items?
@Chieftain
To me, it looks like the police handled this adequately, the Jerusalem Post article reads that a policeman was in fact inside the bar when the shooting started. The policeman may have been working security and exchanged fire. So, we will have to see what the time line is. If fire was exchanged early, then, I'd think so many people would not have had to die.
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And he'll say that Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the massacre, and that it's all the NRA's fault.
As President his speech Should be to calm the nation......will not be surprising if he favors Muslims to calm them rather than reassure the population as a whole...... He's not the smartest pencil in the box when it comes to understanding the nation...
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This just went out to top LA law enforcement officials. Suspect w/ assault weapons, camo arrested in West Hollywood.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckw4ZsPUoAAeOuG.jpg)
Another one?
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The father says of his son in the article,... "this wasn't terrorism, that the son just got upset seeing two men kiss"; paraphrasing.
The fathers lying.
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(https://luckybogey.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/0612-orlando-shooting-officer-helmet-twitter-4.jpg)
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The fathers lying.
Lying or truly ignorant as to what his son had been up to. Parents see what they want to...
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Lying or truly ignorant as to what his son had been up to. Parents see what they want to...
Muslim parents practice Koran-sanctioned taqqiya.
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Hopefully someone can check if the shooters got a big pay out on 'Life Insurance' to his family....
I say this because they do that in order for their family members to benefit from their death. The Jihadists love the idea Insurance Companies will pay for them to kill Americans. But there are efforts now to prevent them...
........San Bernardino Terrorists Took Out 'Large 'Life Insurance Policies... Feds Want to Shut that down......
http://tribunist.com/politics/san-bernardino-terrorists-took-out-large-life-insurance-policies-now-the-feds-want-to-shut-that-down-heres-why/
Federal prosecutors have filed a civil forfeiture action to prevent the payout of two life insurance policies held by Syed Rizwan Farook... He and his wife shot and killed 14 people in San Bernardino terrorist attack........................Farook had two life insurance policies through his job with San Bernardino County. One for $25,000 and another for $250,000..... The policies were issued by the Minnesota Life Insurance Group, and they have not commented yet........
His mother, Rafia Farook, is the primary beneficiary.
“Terrorists must not be permitted to provide for their designated beneficiaries through their crimes,”.... U.S. Attorney Eileen Decker
(http://tribunist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/faruk-4-640x336.jpg)
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I don't mean to get into the morbid numbers game but it did surprise me that they are saying this is the worse mass shooting ever; so worse than other ones we know.
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And per a perspective on the event, yes, two groups the left adores, the gays and the Muslims juxtaposed against each other. So, it is a question, how do they handle this? Yes, blame the NRA as someone said above.
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Oh boy Obama is going to speak at 1:30est
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Senator Bill Nelson (D. Fla) is saying he has talked to "intelligence committee staff & Assistant Director of the Counter-Intelligence Center in Washington" and there appear to be links to ISIS. He's also siting the shooting the singer in Orlando yesterday as being linked as well.
Developing...
dammed glad I all ready have a AR
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- NYC-born 'Islamic extremist' Omar Mateen, 29, who shot dead 50 and injured 53 in Orlando gay club massacre was homophobe 'who got angry when he saw two men kissing'
Yeah, if you don't want to see that sort of thing, don't go to gay bars. **nononono*
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Oh boy Obama is going to speak at 1:30est
I think I'll go to the lake and take pictures of ducks.
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Praying for the families of the victims, and healing for those who have been wounded.
May God have mercy on us and protect us!
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Hopefully someone can check if the shooters got a big pay out on 'Life Insurance' to his family....
I say this because they do that in order for their family members to benefit from their death. The Jihadists love the idea Insurance Companies will pay for them to kill Americans. But there are efforts now to prevent them...
........San Bernardino Terrorists Took Out 'Large 'Life Insurance Policies... Feds Want to Shut that down......
http://tribunist.com/politics/san-bernardino-terrorists-took-out-large-life-insurance-policies-now-the-feds-want-to-shut-that-down-heres-why/
Federal prosecutors have filed a civil forfeiture action to prevent the payout of two life insurance policies held by Syed Rizwan Farook... He and his wife shot and killed 14 people in San Bernardino terrorist attack........................Farook had two life insurance policies through his job with San Bernardino County. One for $25,000 and another for $250,000..... The policies were issued by the Minnesota Life Insurance Group, and they have not commented yet........
His mother, Rafia Farook, is the primary beneficiary.
“Terrorists must not be permitted to provide for their designated beneficiaries through their crimes,”.... U.S. Attorney Eileen Decker
(http://tribunist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/faruk-4-640x336.jpg)
Muslims do everything they can to use our freedoms and way of life - including life insurance- against us.
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Another one?
today ??
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Oh boy Obama is going to speak at 1:30est
He will use many words to say nothing........... other than to warn people not to jump to conclusions about Islam (as he always does about Christian Conservatives, police, white people, etc. etc. etc.)
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Muslim parents practice Koran-sanctioned taqqiya.
Just parents blinded by love in full denial.
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Oh boy Obama is going to speak at 1:30est
He is just going to continue with his apology tour to Islam while taking a big crap on Christianity, just like he always does. Somehow it will come across, said or unsaid, that America brought this on themselves, and or, America deserves it anyway.
He has never and will never, ever, say a single word which could be interpreted as being critical of Islam in any way, no matter what the Muslims do, no matter how horrible and inhuman their crimes are. And yet, he slams Christianity with every speech he makes. Figure it out people.
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Apparently the shooter made the pledge of allegiance to ISIS sometime during the attack..according to Fox
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Lying or truly ignorant as to what his son had been up to. Parents see what they want to...
Parental denial. No parent wants to have to face the possibility of evil in their own children.
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Fox...Catherine Herridge..FBI has had a file on him since 2013
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I don't mean to get into the morbid numbers game but it did surprise me that they are saying this is the worse mass shooting ever; so worse than other ones we know.
I believe the Bath School disaster is considered the worse "mass killing" in the US:
The Bath School disaster was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and six adults and injured at least 58 other people. Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated an explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final device in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder to take place at a school in United States history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe1rtLM8m_c
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He is just going to continue with his apology tour to Islam while taking a big crap on Christianity, just like he always does. Somehow it will come across, said or unsaid, that America brought this on themselves, and or, America deserves it anyway.
He has never and will never, ever, say a single word which could be interpreted as being critical of Islam in any way, no matter what the Muslims do, no matter how horrible and inhuman their crimes are. And yet, he slams Christianity with every speech he makes. Figure it out people.
Absolutely, picture if a Christian had done this, there'd be blood in the streets.
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dammed glad I all ready have a AR
And dammed glad I just bought more 5.56 ammo for mine, because like other such events, the shelves will clear out real quick. 9mm too.
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Doesn't need to be a Muzzie with a gun, to shoot up people in Detroit. There are enough black citizens with illegal guns who do that for them.
My post to which you replied was in response to the suggest that they, indeed, assimilate.
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ESPN broke in to their regular programming and said this was the worse mass shooting in US history if the number is now 50 plus dead. 53? Maybe they said.
Or did someone say 103 now?
The 103 number includes wounded to date.
In response to the question..."How could 1 man shoot/kill 103 people?
Have you ever seen a jammed nightclub dance floor in a major club? There's more than 100 people dancing and perhaps as more than half as many seated...at the bar...in the john.....
With an AK-47, all he'd have to do is point at the dance floor and start spraying.
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Lying or truly ignorant as to what his son had been up to. Parents see what they want to...
No,...he's absolutely lying.... we all need to look at these Muslim families through their eyes of Islam and not as we would our families. The father did exactly as they've been instructed to do....' to defend Islam'...which he did.....'to deny it was terrorism'...which he did....and 'to deny he was aware'.....which he did.
He's been coached by those within the Muslim Community.....either beforehand or since the event. He is not standing alone in his responses.
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No,...he's absolutely lying.... we all need to look at these Muslim families through their eyes of Islam and not as we would our families. The father did exactly as they've been instructed to do....' to defend Islam'...which he did.....'to deny it was terrorism'...which he did....and 'to deny he was aware'.....which he did.
He's been coached by those within the Muslim Community.....either beforehand or since the event. He is not standing alone in his responses.
Absolutely! If we cannot understand taqqiya, hijera, sharia and jihad, we cannot rid ourselves of this scourge on humanity.
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News is now reporting that just before he walked into the club he placed a 911 call and swore allegiance to ISIS to the 911 operator. Removes all doubt what his motive was.
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And dammed glad I just bought more 5.56 ammo for mine, because like other such events, the shelves will clear out real quick. 9mm too.
It is true that when people treat the gun as more evil than the person who used the gun to kill that there is something fundamentally broken within their ability to reason.
With the laws changing in this nation to protect the criminals and arrest the innocent for protecting themselves this naturally leads to people purchasing weapons without registering them.
Guns are never the problem......France has strict gun laws but look how often they've been hit by terrorism. ....and they still don't get that if someone wants to kill they have no problem finding the means to do so.
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The Muslim Brotherhood is the "Mother" of all these other organizations operating here in the states as well as most other countries.
And a close ally to Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett and Huma Abedin...as well as Jeh Johnson, DHS.
Given the concentration of pushing Gay Rights, I was expecting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to "come out" eventually.
This certainly puts a damper on their agenda, IMHO.
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Fox...Catherine Herridge..FBI has had a file on him since 2013
The senior law enforcement source reports that Mateen became a person of interest in 2013 and again in 2014. The Federal Bureau of Investigation at one point opened an investigation into Mateen but subsequently closed the case when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.
“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.”
The senior law enforcement source told The Daily Beast that Mateen was born in New York and was married for a time to a woman from New Jersey.
That woman told the Washington Post that he repeatedly abused her during their marraige, which lasted from April 2009 to July 2011.
“He was not a stable person,” the ex-wife said. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”
Mateen's parent are from Afghanistan but he was not very religious, she said, adding that he "seemed like a normal human being."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html
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No we don't.
The left...the gay "mafia"...Islam all mock God in some form or fashion.
Reap what you sew seems to have happened in Orlando in the early morning hours today.
It definitely supports the premise that "...nothing good ever happens at two o'clock in the morning".
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News is now reporting that just before he walked into the club he placed a 911 call and swore allegiance to ISIS to the 911 operator. Removes all doubt what his motive was.
Always interesting in how the media and political spokesman dance around what's obvious to the rest of us. .....however I understand the police waiting until they have established facts to report and or build their case.
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This just went out to top LA law enforcement officials. Suspect w/ assault weapons, camo arrested in West Hollywood.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckw4ZsPUoAAeOuG.jpg)
WTH? any other news on this @sinkspur ?
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No,...he's absolutely lying.... we all need to look at these Muslim families through their eyes of Islam and not as we would our families. The father did exactly as they've been instructed to do....' to defend Islam'...which he did.....'to deny it was terrorism'...which he did....and 'to deny he was aware'.....which he did.
He's been coached by those within the Muslim Community.....either beforehand or since the event. He is not standing alone in his responses.
The parents of the murderer operate a "religious non-profit."
As a nation, we remain extremely naïve, just like Sweden, Germany etc. Political correctness is blocking us from taking self-defensive measures.
Using hindsight, his parents should not have been admitted. Using common sense they should be run out of this country immediately, instead of listening to their double-talk and believing their taqiyya.
But we won't. Instead we will listen to a President named Hussain, who will blame something other than violent islam.
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Shooter in Daily Wear Clothing...and then in Islamic Muslim Clothing......
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/12/16/352EA00600000578-3637414-image-a-125_1465746336503.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/12/16/352EA01300000578-3637414-image-a-124_1465746334177.jpg)
Obama will say this has nothing to do with Islam.....yet we have the photos that it does. Just lone wolf?
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Officially the worst mass shooting atrocity in US History.
:smokin:
"Officially".
There were many more killed at one time in Indian massacres by the US Cavalry.
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http://pix11.com/2016/06/12/how-to-help-orlando-shooting-victims/
How to help Orlando shooting victims
As a PSA, a lot of outlets are posting such articles including TIME.
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This just went out to top LA law enforcement officials. Suspect w/ assault weapons, camo arrested in West Hollywood.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckw4ZsPUoAAeOuG.jpg)
Man with weapons and possible explosives arrested, was going to L.A. gay pride parade, sources say
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html
Authorities in Santa Monica found possible explosives as well as assault rifles and ammunition Sunday in the car of a man who told them he was in town for the L.A. Pride festival in West Hollywood, a law enforcement source said.
Early Sunday, Santa Monica police received a call of a suspected prowler near Olympic Boulevard and 11th Street. Patrol officers responded and encountered an individual who told officers he was waiting for a friend. That led officers to inspect the car and find several weapons and a lot of ammunition as well as tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create a pipe bomb.
The car had Indiana plates. The man made comments that he was in town for the Pride event in West Hollywood this weekend. The source said authorities did not know of any connection between the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., early Sunday morning and the Santa Monica incident. The investigation has been taken over by the FBI.
A city official in West Hollywood also confirmed the arrest and stressed that officials were beefing up security at the gay pride event.
"They found him with weapons that were very disconcerting," said the source, adding officials are "taking the appropriate safety precautions."
The parade comes hours after the attack at the Orlando club that killed 50 people. At least 53 were injured in the deadliest shooting in modern American history after a gunman took hostages. The gunman has been identified as 29-year-old Omar Mateen, a U.S. law enforcement official said.
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Fox...Catherine Herridge..FBI has had a file on him since 2013
Had anyone ever opened it?? :#@$%:
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Our muslim-brotherhood-controlled pResident is running late. Is he still golfing?
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Drudge has a sub-headline up,
Imam speaking in Orlando said gays must be killed out of 'compassion'...
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/12/orlando-night-club-attack-by-known-wolf-terrorist-previously-investigated-by-fbi/
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News is now reporting that just before he walked into the club he placed a 911 call and swore allegiance to ISIS to the 911 operator. Removes all doubt what his motive was.
Words fail me. Seriously. **nononono*
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WTH? any other news on this @sinkspur ?
On CNN now- this suspect was headed to the LA Gay Pride Parade. No ID on suspect yet.
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Had anyone ever opened it?? :#@$%:
Apparently, they were using it as a doorstop.
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Had anyone ever opened it?? :#@$%:
spot on!
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On CNN now- this suspect was headed to the LA Gay Pride Parade. No ID on suspect yet.
On CNN ... he was arrested last night, tip from someone in the neighborhood.
But, no worries, it's unrelated to the attack in Florida. :nometalk:
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Fox now reporting the LA story....
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Islamic Terrorist Mateen Was Under Investigation by Politically Correct Obama FBI in 2013 & 2014
http://thelibertydaily.com/
Yes, I believe it.
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spot on!
Honestly, @flowers .... is anyone paying attention to what's going on? What the hell government do we have?
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On CNN now- this suspect was headed to the LA Gay Pride Parade. No ID on suspect yet.
I'm surprised that has not already happened, and this being Pride month with several of these parades, some of them quite huge going on. Could be a horrific scene, and not just the people in the parade being victims, but families that line the parade route as well.
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Defiant LA mayor speaking at gay pride event stated that there are muslims participating as well as members from every group you can think of. That won't play well with the muslims.
Reports that this arrest is unrelated to Orlando attack- oh, really? Wonder when PC LA will release identity of suspect.
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It definitely supports the premise that "...nothing good ever happens at two o'clock in the morning".
The shooter knew precisely the people in that club would be tired, drunk, drugged and basically unable to adequately defend themselves....Jihadists are always fearful cowards .........the adrenaline rush is not from strength but fear that's been overcome by drugs beforehand....but moreso the shooter was likely drugged up real good with Captagon, Isis's drug of choice.
('Captagon" is a "Meth" type amphetaminel that produces euphoria and hyperactivity and reduces the need to eat...It's rife in the ME which are considered as necessary as the guns they hold...Lebanon and Syria, Turkey are conduit routes for the drug.... It's ISIS drug of choice in keeping them awake and hyped for days...)
Here you have a Saudi Prince caught trying to fly two tons of drugs out of Lebanon aboard his private plane. The stuff flows throughout the Middle East and no doubt shipped to Muslims here in the states for their consumption.
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Probably like the liberty headline says, they had the file but were acting "politically correct", we can't discriminate you know!
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I'm surprised that has not already happened, and this being Pride month with several of these parades, some of them quite huge going on. Could be a horrific scene, and not just the people in the parade being victims, but families that line the parade route as well.
The homosexuals who participate by flaunting themselves in the face of the public at these parades are basically 'exhibitionists', which is common with their groups.
"They strut their evil before you".....
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The shooter knew precisely the people in that club would be tired, drunk, drugged and basically unable to adequately defend themselves....Jihadists are always fearful cowards .........the adrenaline rush is not from strength but fear that's been overcome by drugs beforehand....but moreso the shooter was likely drugged up real good with Captagon, Isis's drug of choice.
('Captagon" is a "Meth" type amphetaminel that produces euphoria and hyperactivity and reduces the need to eat...It's rife in the ME which are considered as necessary as the guns they hold...Lebanon and Syria, Turkey are conduit routes for the drug.... It's ISIS drug of choice in keeping them awake and hyped for days...)
Here you have a Saudi Prince caught trying to fly two tons of drugs out of Lebanon aboard his private plane. The stuff flows throughout the Middle East and no doubt shipped to Muslims here in the states for their consumption.
(http://db3ulju1ay1a8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/collage-2015-10-28-1.jpg)
Interesting find. I was not aware of this. Thanks for posting.
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On CNN now- this suspect was headed to the LA Gay Pride Parade. No ID on suspect yet.
Ramadan.....wonder if this was supposed to be a 2fer today? One in Florida and one in Cali?
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Reports that this arrest is unrelated to Orlando attack- oh, really? Wonder when PC LA will release identity of suspect.
This is from L.A. Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html):...The man, was was arrested, made comments that he was in town for the Pride event in West Hollywood this weekend. The source said they believed there was no connection between the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., early Sunday morning and the Santa Monica incident. The investigation has been taken over by the FBI. The source said the man appeared to be white.
Santa Monica Police spokesman Saul Rodriguez confirmed that the suspect was from Indiana and that weapons were found in the car, but added that police “were not aware of what the suspect’s intentions were at this point.” ...
Pardon my cynicism, but we've seen enough of these incidents to know that Islamic terrorists typically are described as white, no matter their ethnicity. What were his intentions? Maybe to use all the weapons and explosives he had in his vehicle? **nononono*
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The homosexuals who participate by flaunting themselves in the face of the public at these parades are basically 'exhibitionists', which is common with their groups.
"They strut their evil before you".....
Some parades are raunchy, SF, Toronto.
Some I understand, seem tame in comparison. I can't believe some of the things that go on at those pride parades.
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Ramadan.....wonder if this was supposed to be a 2fer today? One in Florida and one in Cali?
I would not be the least bit surprised. LA mayor said no connection- only in that there were two perps and two geographical locations- otherwise could well be a new line of attacks by islam.
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Obama's doing his best to look serious and involved. :nometalk:
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Obama did mention that the FBI will follow any possible links to "terrorists groups".
This must mean the FBI already knows.
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Obama's doing his best to look serious and involved. :nometalk:
Interrupting golf? Bummer.
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The parents of the murderer operate a "religious non-profit."....
Many Muslims do so...as what is considered "A Community Service".......But these are always geared to Muslims arriving in the country in order to keep them from leaving Islam.... and or those they intend to use to recruit/convert US citizens to Islam. It's "Creeping Shariah" in disguise as are all their organizations. They often target the those down on their luck because they are easy targets. Feeding them, clothing and providing in order to convert them.
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In my studies and research that is correct, as well, when they decide to go deeper into Islamic study as most shooters do....they generally are the most vulnerable, and targeted by those who recruit for Jihad in the extreme.
(http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/samharrisislamicfundamentalism-vi2.jpg)
Exactly!
A great resource to rebut the "religion of peace" nonsense is : http://thereligionofpeace.com/
A book that I found very helpful for evangelizing muslims is: "Reasoning from the Scriptures with Muslims" by Ron Rhodes
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This is from L.A. Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html):Pardon my cynicism, but we've seen enough of these incidents to know that Islamic terrorists typically are described as white, no matter their ethnicity. What were his intentions? Maybe to use all the weapons and explosives he had in his vehicle? **nononono*
They give themselves wiggle room with the "appears to be white." They need to release ID.
Obama on CNN now and he is extremely unhappy and uncomfortable stating this is (plain old) terror and also motivated by hate. I guess some terrorism is not motivated by hate in that case? What a maroon!
Now he is going after guns of course.
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Interrupting golf? Bummer.
Of course he's plugging the gun as the problem.........sheesh...we're going to be hearing this nonsense for days now.
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The senior law enforcement source told The Daily Beast that Mateen was born in New York and was married for a time to a woman from New Jersey.
That woman told the Washington Post that he repeatedly abused her during their marraige, which lasted from April 2009 to July 2011.
“He was not a stable person,” the ex-wife said. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”
Mateen's parent are from Afghanistan but he was not very religious, she said, adding that he "seemed like a normal human being."
If that's normal, then I'm very fortunate to be married to an abnormal man.
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He took no questions. Coward.
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Zero left the presser without taking questions. He is totally pissed off at guns.
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Confined space, bottleneck exits, panicking victims, and time.
Unfortunately not that difficult in the right circumstances- like a packed nightclub.
@Right_in_Virginia @AbaraXas
There's one more reason that has been lightly covered in the news....
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They give themselves wiggle room with the "appears to be white." They need to release ID.
Obama on CNN now and he is extremely unhappy and uncomfortable stating this is (plain old) terror and also motivated by hate. I guess some terrorism is not motivated by hate in that case? What a maroon!
Now he is going after guns of course.
The Tsarnaevs were more or less "white".
Chechens who have many fighters in ISIS as well as on the side of the Government and other rebel groups are white.
Sometimes, one can see pictures of some of the Syrians and they look white. I might generally think of Arab types having a dark complexion but it is not always so.
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Washington Examiner @dcexaminer 8s8 seconds ago
BREAKING: Obama declares #Orlando shooting "an act of terror and an act of hate"
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CBS News @CBSNews 2m2 minutes ago
This is an especially heartbreaking day for the LGBT community, @POTUS
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Obama was very angry to be interrupted but there's still time for another 18 holes.
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CBS News @CBSNews 2m2 minutes ago
This is an especially heartbreaking day for the LGBT community, @POTUS
So the LGBT community does include POTUS? Get out of the closet, Barry!
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Josh Jordan @NumbersMuncher 39s40 seconds ago
That Obama can lecture the country about guns yet ignore that the killer called 911 and declared allegiance to ISIS is irresponsible.
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OMG...heartbreaking.
Can you even imagine the pain..the angst?
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John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz 4m4 minutes ago
So the shooter called 911 and said he was allied with ISIS and we don't know his motivations?
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As for evangelizing Muslims you better know full well far far more than just a book on how to Evangelize Muslims. They are attempting to convert you while you do so and will often give you lots of room to chat .....while knowing they're being polite in order to find your weakness.
It takes years for them to come away from Islam. ...often with much struggle. Which most Christians attempting to convert them will not see or know the depths of. Remember they are here to convert you to Islam...it is their foremost Duty.
I have seen good hearted Christians fall into Islam because basically they don't know their own faith well enough to be dancing on the edge with Islamic teachings.......so folks better know the scriptures inside out and not walk quickly into the zone of Islam.
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Zero left the presser without taking questions. He is totally pissed off at guns.
The Terrorists in Paris had full auto AK's and RPG's
explain that obozo
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jimgeraghty Verified account
@jimgeraghty
Before you try rounding up millions of guns in this country, why don't you try checking on everybody on the f****** terror watch list first?
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John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz 4m4 minutes ago
So the shooter called 911 and said he was allied with ISIS and we don't know his motivations?
The stupid bastards (ISIS) don't realize that if they really wanted to advance their Caliphate, they should shut themselves down until November 9th.
Not meaning to bring politics and the election into this thread but it's pertinent to point out here.
This atrocity is only going to enhance one candidate....and it ain't Hillary.
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Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report
This from April this year. Makes me wonder if we are really safe, when our law enforcement and stuff like this is out in public, with no consequence.
It seems we are being not only led but also have our security in the hands of very naïve people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ
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As for evangelizing Muslims you better know full well far far more than just a book on how to Evangelize Muslims. They are attempting to convert you while you do so and will often give you lots of room to chat .....while knowing they're being polite in order to find your weakness.
It takes years for them to come away from Islam. ...often with much struggle. Which most Christians attempting to convert them will not see or know the depths of. Remember they are here to convert you to Islam...it is their foremost Duty.
I have seen good hearted Christians fall into Islam because basically they don't know their own faith well enough to be dancing on the edge with Islamic teachings.......so folks better know the scriptures inside out and not walk quickly into the zone of Islam.
With all due respect, if you unwittingly "fall" into another religion, then you weren't really committed to your original religion in the first place.
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Josh Jordan @NumbersMuncher 39s40 seconds ago
That Obama can lecture the country about guns yet ignore that the killer called 911 and declared allegiance to ISIS is irresponsible.
Bears repeating! :amen:
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283191-ex-wife-of-suspect-in-orlando-attacks-he-beat-me
Ex-wife of suspect in Orlando attack: 'He beat me'
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JUST DAMM
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John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz 4m4 minutes ago
So the shooter called 911 and said he was allied with ISIS and we don't know his motivations?
Media tries hard to keep up with the internet and social networks operating in events....so they are quick to report whatever is next on their menu without checking the context or investigate further then the next 'Bite"............They also "Protect" themselves from lawsuites,...you can bet CAIR is watching very carefully to find somewhere they can bring down their hammer..
So the public can generally see events for what they are even if a few tweaks need to be made along the way on the details......
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**nononono* Horrible.
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jimgeraghty Verified account
@jimgeraghty
Before you try rounding up millions of guns in this country, why don't you try checking on everybody on the f****** terror watch list first?
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Lying or truly ignorant as to what his son had been up to. Parents see what they want to...
You may be right. I recall reading both Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy's parents couldn't believe their children did what they did at first confrontation of their trials.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283191-ex-wife-of-suspect-in-orlando-attacks-he-beat-me
Ex-wife of suspect in Orlando attack: 'He beat me'
Yeah, he beat her because in islam, it is fine to beat her. The book probably includes directions for how to do so.
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Omar Mateen Terrorist was 29-Year-Old Islamic Radical (PHOTO)
http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/12/terrorist-omar-mateen-gay-nightclub-murder/
11:15 AM PT -- There are now reports Omar Mateen pledged his allegiance to ISIS before carrying out the deadly shooting in Orlando.update_grey_gray_barThe killer in the Orlando nightclub slaughter is 29-year-old Omar Mateen. TMZ has done a records search and found he held a Florida security officer license and a state firearms license.
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He's an American citizen and he has family that are not -- his parents are Afghan. Authorities say he was a terrorist and was targeting gays. They say in addition to terrorism this is a hate crime.
Authorities also believe he is part of the radical Islam movement, although they do not know if it was an organized attack or if he was a lone wolf. Authorities also believe Mateen specifically targeted a gay club.
Mateen's father told NBC News, "This has nothing to do with religion." He says his son became angry after seeing 2 men kissing a few months ago in Miami, and he speculates that could have triggered his decision to kill.
Law enforcement says Mateen was well prepared, with an assault weapon, a handgun and 2 suspicious devices.
The NYPD tells TMZ, Mateen has no association with the department, and that the shirts he was photographed in were unofficial garments that could be purchased at any store.
50 people were murdered and another 53 injured inside Pulse nightclub in Orlando. It's the biggest slaughter at the hands of a gunman in American history.
Take a look at the pic below ... it's a police helmet with a bullet hole. The helmet saved the officer's life, although he suffered facial injuries.
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Charlie Spiering @charliespiering 6s6 seconds ago
Obama vows to “follow the facts” of terrorist attack - but made no mention of connection to radical Islamic terrorism or ISIS
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To me, it looks like the police handled this adequately, the Jerusalem Post article reads that a policeman was in fact inside the bar when the shooting started. The policeman may have been working security and exchanged fire. So, we will have to see what the time line is. If fire was exchanged early, then, I'd think so many people would not have had to die.
@TomSea @Chieftain
If they didn't handle it properly, it wasn't for lack of "cool" gear.
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Yeah, he beat her because in islam, it is fine to beat her. The book probably includes directions for how to do so.
True.
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These kinds of things will happen in this country from time to time with Islam, it will make the Stonewall riots look like a cakewalk. We'll have these things happen from time to time just like it happens in Europe from time to time.
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Charlie Spiering @charliespiering 6s6 seconds ago
Obama vows to “follow the facts” of terrorist attack - but made no mention of connection to radical Islamic terrorism or ISIS
Pffft! Since when in the last 7 years has he done that? Follow what is political gain for his agenda is more like it. Facts is something they cannot have. Truth hurts their agenda. **spit**
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Amazingly, gays here have been told time and again, you are for a party that does nothing about the persecution of gays overseas in places like Iran or what ISIS does. Now, it's here.
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These kinds of things will happen in this country from time to time with Islam, it will make the Stonewall riots look like a cakewalk. We'll have these things happen from time to time just like it happens in Europe from time to time.
If we do (and I agree)...it's solely the Obama terms that brought it to us.
Unfettered immigration of Middle Eastern men .....what could go wrong? /s
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If we do (and I agree)...it's solely the Obama terms that brought it to us.
Unfettered immigration of Middle Eastern men .....what could go wrong? /s
A hundred a day is in the news today.
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Mark Knoller @markknoller 27m27 minutes ago
Pres Obama issues proclamation directing flags be flown at half-staff until sunset June 16 to honor victims of Orlando attack.
:#@$%:
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As for evangelizing Muslims you better know full well far far more than just a book on how to Evangelize Muslims. They are attempting to convert you while you do so and will often give you lots of room to chat .....while knowing they're being polite in order to find your weakness.
It takes years for them to come away from Islam. ...often with much struggle. Which most Christians attempting to convert them will not see or know the depths of. Remember they are here to convert you to Islam...it is their foremost Duty.
I have seen good hearted Christians fall into Islam because basically they don't know their own faith well enough to be dancing on the edge with Islamic teachings.......so folks better know the scriptures inside out and not walk quickly into the zone of Islam.
I am aware of the pitfalls you mention. I support missionaries that go into closed countries knowing full well that it may cost them their lives. I have had the opportunity to listen to some of these same missionaries when they've come back after years, or decades overseas. These missionaries are some of the bravest people I've ever met.
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CNN had some sort of Pride documentary up this week; showing the struggle for gay rights. Well, I wonder what they think of all this. We are desensitized, most all of us, if we see this happen over in the Middle East somewhere.
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With all due respect, if you unwittingly "fall" into another religion, then you weren't really committed to your original religion in the first place.
I disagree.....nobody is exempt from being mislead including devout and committed Christians. Which is why it's significant to remain grounded in your faith.....more than a few have "wandered" from the faith sir......and there will always be others.
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Yes, we'll have to see what Mosque this shooter went to.
Tunisia is an Islamic nation, at least the population and they shut down over 80 Mosques.
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(https://luckybogey.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/seddique1.jpg)
The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban.
Seddique Mateen, who has been referred to as Mir Seddique in early news reports, hosted the “Durand Jirga Show” on a channel called Payam-e-Afghan, which broadcasts from California. In it, the elder Mateen speaks in the Dari language on a variety of political subjects. Dozens of videos are posted on a channel under Seddique Mateen's name on YouTube. A phone number and post office box that are displayed on the show were traced back to the Mateen home in Florida. Mateen also owns a nonprofit organization under the name Durand Jirga, which is registered in Port St. Lucie, Fla.
In one video, Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, while denouncing the Pakistani government.
“Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in [the] Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”
The “Durand Line issue” is a historically significant one, particularly for members of the Pashtun ethnic group, whose homeland straddles the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Durand Line is that border. It is not clear whether the Mateens are Pashtun. The Afghan Taliban is mostly made up of Pashtuns.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/
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Just heard Rubio say that now "it's Florida's turn".....
The insanity of our politicians to frame this as if every state will have to have "their turn". ...rather than address the FACT Ilsa is at war with this nation.....just as it has been for centuries. What part of "We will kill you" don't they understand??????
Amazing stupidity!
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As for evangelizing Muslims you better know full well far far more than just a book on how to Evangelize Muslims. They are attempting to convert you while you do so and will often give you lots of room to chat .....while knowing they're being polite in order to find your weakness.
It takes years for them to come away from Islam. ...often with much struggle. Which most Christians attempting to convert them will not see or know the depths of. Remember they are here to convert you to Islam...it is their foremost Duty.
I have seen good hearted Christians fall into Islam because basically they don't know their own faith well enough to be dancing on the edge with Islamic teachings.......so folks better know the scriptures inside out and not walk quickly into the zone of Islam.
I recommend the book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi. It's written by a former Muslim who had a good friend in college, steeped in faith and knowledge of God's word, who eventually led him to Christ.
He lost his family because of his faith. It's an extremely difficult thing for a Muslim to do.........
But there IS hope!
@WAC
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I am aware of the pitfalls you mention. I support missionaries that go into closed countries knowing full well that it may cost them their lives. I have had the opportunity to listen to some of these same missionaries when they've come back after years, or decades overseas. These missionaries are some of the bravest people I've ever met.
Same here. And yes, they are!
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The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban.
Seddique Mateen, who has been referred to as Mir Seddique in early news reports, hosted the “Durand Jirga Show” on a channel called Payam-e-Afghan, which broadcasts from California. In it, the elder Mateen speaks in the Dari language on a variety of political subjects. Dozens of videos are posted on a channel under Seddique Mateen's name on YouTube. A phone number and post office box that are displayed on the show were traced back to the Mateen home in Florida. Mateen also owns a nonprofit organization under the name Durand Jirga, which is registered in Port St. Lucie, Fla.
In one video, Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, while denouncing the Pakistani government.
“Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in [the] Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”
The “Durand Line issue” is a historically significant one, particularly for members of the Pashtun ethnic group, whose homeland straddles the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Durand Line is that border. It is not clear whether the Mateens are Pashtun. The Afghan Taliban is mostly made up of Pashtuns.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/
Thank you for posting that.....I said the Father was Lying and I meant it...he is and will continue to do so......as will all Muslims who's family members commit Jihad in our country.
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I recommend the book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi. It's written by a former Muslim who had a good friend in college, steeped in faith and knowledge of God's word, who eventually led him to Christ.
He lost his family because of his faith. It's an extremely difficult thing for a Muslim to do.........
But there IS hope!
@WAC
I have many books in my library relating to Islam and Muslims, both those who have converted and otherwise.
But you cannot depend on these puplished books alone to convert people in THIS country. They are here to convert you.
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(https://luckybogey.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/seddique1.jpg)
The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban.
Seddique Mateen, who has been referred to as Mir Seddique in early news reports, hosted the “Durand Jirga Show” on a channel called Payam-e-Afghan, which broadcasts from California. In it, the elder Mateen speaks in the Dari language on a variety of political subjects. Dozens of videos are posted on a channel under Seddique Mateen's name on YouTube. A phone number and post office box that are displayed on the show were traced back to the Mateen home in Florida. Mateen also owns a nonprofit organization under the name Durand Jirga, which is registered in Port St. Lucie, Fla.
In one video, Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, while denouncing the Pakistani government.
“Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in [the] Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”
The “Durand Line issue” is a historically significant one, particularly for members of the Pashtun ethnic group, whose homeland straddles the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Durand Line is that border. It is not clear whether the Mateens are Pashtun. The Afghan Taliban is mostly made up of Pashtuns.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/
Very damning, the shooter had very radical roots. No surprise.
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Father Of Orlando Terrorist Omar Mateen Is Running For President Of Afghanistan......he supports the Taliban.
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Isis tweeting on Pulse tag.....letting people know what they think....
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SOURCE: HOTAIR.COM
URL: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/12/obama-calls-orlando-shooting-terrorism-then-pivots-to-gun-control/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/12/obama-calls-orlando-shooting-terrorism-then-pivots-to-gun-control/)
by Taylor Millard
President Barack Obama is commenting about the horrible tragedy/terrorist attack in Orlando. Obama called the situation a terrorist attack, but didn’t try to get into the mind of the shooter, except to say he was “full of hate.”
We are still learning all the facts. This is an open investigation. We’ve reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer. The FBI is appropriately investigating this as an act of terrorism. And I’ve directed that we must spare not effort to determine what, if any, inspiration or association this killer may have had with terrorist groups.
It’s not surprising Obama went with the line of “terrorism” without mentioning religion, because we don’t know what the motivation was just yet. Yes, it appears Omar Mateen may have had a connection to Islamic radicalism but we don’t 100% know this yet. Obama’s call for hesitance on trying to establish a motive isn’t a bad idea because it’s probably best to wait for the authorities to finish their investigation before leaping into blaming one group or another for what happened.
Yet the caution Obama seemed to show when it came to whether or not Mateen was a radical Islamist he completely threw out when it came to what was used to kill the club goers.
Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history. The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing, is a decision that’s wrong.
It’s also not surprising, and horribly misguided, to turn this into a discussion about gun control. We’re just barely 12 hours past an awful situation which has left people clamoring for answers while they try to process the grief they’re dealing with. This type of doublespeak by the President in urging for caution in blaming particular groups of people, yet immediately rushing to blaming the instrument used in the tragedy, is something he’s done time and time again. It is hypocritical for him to do this, and just shows how political he wants to make this tragedy (even if he might claim otherwise).
Maybe it’s human to immediately rush to blame in what caused terrorist attacks and mass shootings. The Left likes to rush towards blaming the gun in the Orlando shooting, just like they rushed towards blaming the gun in the awful shooting death of Christina Grimmie from The Voice. There are plenty on the Right who want to immediately rush to blaming religion or ideology for what happened, even though a motive hasn’t been reached yet. It’s understandable, but right now, maybe it’s best to try to support others, instead of rushing to point fingers.
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Obama will blame the NRA probably
I was checking out DailyKook a few hours ago. Naturally, they all blamed it on right wing gun nuts who refuse to revoke the 2nd amendment. Not one commenter mentioned radical Islam as a possible source of the carnage. But they might have some restriction concerning people mentioning Islam is a negative way. No problem blaming radical Christians though.
Even DummyUnderground had a number of posters and commenters blaming radical Islam. But DailyKook refuses to see the forest for the trees.
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Fathers Home....
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This photo of shooter looks like a mug shot...but couldn't find any explanation with it yet.....
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Right, Obama, let's not look at the Islamic terrorists own phone call pledging allegiance to ISIS-just go looking for that darned elusive motivation. Someone in Congress needs to look into why the FBI shut down the two FBI investigations into the perp.
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It is already illegal in Florida for a gun to be carried in any establishment accommodating more than 50 people where alcohol is served.
Do you mean the killer "broke the law" by carrying his gun into a place where there are more than 50 people being served an alcoholic beverage? It's obvious we need more gun laws. Make every gun buyer sign a statement that he/she will not shoot a real person. There, that fixed it! Just as we can believe every promise Trump makes everyday (except for those promises he changes every day), we can be sure a person buying a gun and pledging not to shoot someone, means it. Bovine scat.
This man was a security guard with firearm training. This is going to keep happening in one form or another. Passing more gun laws will not keep terrorists from getting guns and they really don't care how many persons are drinking in a bar - if they want they will take their guns into anywhere and start shooting.
Good guys followed the law and did not have their guns in that place. Bad guy ignored the law and took two guns inside and killed 50 people and wounded over 50. Bad guy killed good guys who didn't bring their gun inside.
CVS pharmacy made a rule a while ago that no one can carry a weapon (concealed or not), in their stores. I have not been in a CVS since then - I do not wish to be a free target for a person who ignores the rule and brings in a gun to kill people on an open range - kill them all as they can't have a gun in there.
On another note but related: My Catholic Church Father was an Army sniper. Do you really want to guess he isn't armed under his Catholic robe - would you take that chance and try to shoot people in our church and live to tell about it? Hint: He practices his skill every hunting season.
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Just heard Rubio say that now "it's Florida's turn".....
The insanity of our politicians to frame this as if every state will have to have "their turn". ...rather than address the FACT Ilsa is at war with this nation.....just as it has been for centuries. What part of "We will kill you" don't they understand??????
Amazing stupidity!
Ah, I don't know.... it's tough to talk in public about things like this without resorting to platitudes, tougher if you're a politician who will have to actually deal with the fallout. I can put up with the platitudes - it's far better than trying to make political points while the bodies are still warm.
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The shooter's ex-wife was interviewed by the WashPost and she described him as being "violent" and "unstable" and he physically abused her repeated during their marriage...they have a 3yr. old child.
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Just heard Rubio say that now "it's Florida's turn".....
The insanity of our politicians to frame this as if every state will have to have "their turn". ...rather than address the FACT Ilsa is at war with this nation.....just as it has been for centuries. What part of "We will kill you" don't they understand??????
Amazing stupidity!
What did Rubio mean by "it's Florida's turn"
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Charlie Spiering @charliespiering 6s6 seconds ago
Obama vows to “follow the facts” of terrorist attack - but made no mention of connection to radical Islamic terrorism or ISIS
This is going to end up being focused as a hate crime as his father and the press and Obama all are saying so. Obama played both sides calling it terror hate.
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http://ktla.com/2016/06/12/man-with-weapons-possible-explosives-arrested-in-santa-monica-said-he-was-going-to-l-a-gay-pride-parade-report/
Interesting that a second similar "isolated incident" was prevented in California
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apparently the man went overseas
FBI knew he was ISIS sympathizer
a second attack in California was prevented
CNN decides this means he was self-radicalized and this was not connected to anything else
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Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report
This from April this year. Makes me wonder if we are really safe, when our law enforcement and stuff like this is out in public, with no consequence.
It seems we are being not only led but also have our security in the hands of very naïve people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ
Government is failing us on literally every level now. Economic, health, and the most important function they have.....providing national security. This nation needs a complete 'reset'. Cause this, what we have now or what it has devolved into, isn't working.
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http://ktla.com/2016/06/12/man-with-weapons-possible-explosives-arrested-in-santa-monica-said-he-was-going-to-l-a-gay-pride-parade-report/
Interesting that a second similar "isolated incident" was prevented in California
There has been no ID of the LA perp which is suspicious. PC.
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MUSLIM TERRORIST ATTACK at Orlando Gay club, at least 50 dead, more than 53 wounded [UPDATES ADDED]
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/06/12/muslim-terrorist-attack-at-orlando-gay-club-at-least-50-dead-more-than-53-wounded/
The suspected Islamic terrorist, a US citizen of Afghan heritage, who killed at least 50 people and wounded 53 after taking 30 party-goers hostage inside a gay club in Orlando has been identified. Law enforcement sources have identified the shooter, who was wielding an assault rifle and a handgun, and possible explosive device, as a Muslim named Omar Saddiqui Mateen, from Port St. Lucie in Florida. Police are investigating the mass shooting as an act of Islamic terrorism.
His full name is Omar Mir Seddique Mateen – He is a registered Democrat. (my emphasis)
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CNN The shooter is not from the Orlando area, Mina said. He has been identified as Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, of Fort Pierce, about 120 miles southeast of Orlando, two law enforcement officials tell CNN. Orlando authorities said they consider the violence an act of domestic terror. The FBI is involved. While investigators are exploring all angles, they “have suggestions the individual has leanings towards (Islamic terrorism), but right now we can’t say definitely,” said Ron Hopper, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s Orlando bureau.
At least 50 people were killed inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, Orlando Police Chief John Mina and other officials said Sunday morning, just hours after a shooter opened fire in what appears to be the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. At least 53 more people were injured, he said. Police have shot and killed the gunman, Mina told reporters.
Oh, here we go, Orlando imam tries to feed us the usual Muslim crap sandwich. “Let’s not rush to judgement.” “Need more gun control.” “Nothing to do with Islam.”
resm8-vi
UPDATE: Muslim shooter allegedly pledged loyalty to ISIS in a 911 call while in the nighclub
Washington Post A U.S. official said that Department of Homeland Security reports being circulated to government authorities are “referring to local law enforcement reports saying the shooter pledged loyalty to ISIS and was heard praying in another language in the nightclub.”
The official said it is “unclear” when this alleged pledge to the militant group, also known as the Islamic State and ISIL, was made. “It could have been as simple as a statement shouted at police during the three-hour standoff,” the official said.
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austingirl wrote above:
"Fox reporting that the police waited 3 hours before rescuing hostages."
I'm coming into the thread late, but...
Assuming that the Fox report is accurate - how can the police -- in a situation where a shooter (or multiple shooters) are inside a building massacring people -- wait hours before attempting to get inside and intervene?
What possible argument can be raised for doing so?
What if there had been two or more shooters, fully armed. Would it then have been 100-150 dead?
I'm not a member of law enforcement. But it seems to me that if you have a situation where one or more shooters are just killing individuals, firing freely, your number one priority is to "get in there" and STOP them from killing any more?
Jes' askin' ...
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AbaraXas wrote above:
"Omar was a licensed security guard with firearms license"
A quote that is appropriate:
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"Every 'moderate' Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a 'moderate' Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.
It is time to put an end to the charade of "moderate Islam." There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists - moderate, they are not."
-- Ali Sini
(Ali Sini is head of Faith Freedom International. FFI is a grassroots worldwide movement of ex-Muslims and all those who are concerned about the rise of the Islamic threat.)
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The spin has started:
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https://twitter.com/DavidKlion?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (https://twitter.com/DavidKlion?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
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What did Rubio mean by "it's Florida's turn"
Islamic terrorism seems to have hit most of or kore important states (New York, California, Texas) and now Florida has come to their attention - sort of like when a hurricane pattern shifts. I love in Florida, and I think this will be just the first. There's a lot of Muslims here, a lot of radical Islamist connection (don't forget the 9/11 terrorists spent time here) - and a lot of mass targets. I'm sure they'd like to hit the theme parks, but security is probably too high, so instead they picked a venue target in Orlando.
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Islamic terrorism seems to have hit most of or kore important states (New York, California, Texas) and now Florida has come to their attention - sort of like when a hurricane pattern shifts. I love in Florida, and I think this will be just the first. There's a lot of Muslims here, a lot of radical Islamist connection (don't forget the 9/11 terrorists spent time here) - and a lot of mass targets. I'm sure they'd like to hit the theme parks, but security is probably too high, so instead they picked a venue target in Orlando.
Thanks.
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FBI knew of the Shooter in 2013. Same year as The Boston Attack.
ATF also just said he legally purchased his weapons in this past week.
So FBI knew he was a problem, yet AFT let him buy weapons.
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FBI knew of the Shooter in 2013. Same year as The Boston Attack.
ATF also just said he legally purchased his weapons in this past week.
So FBI knew he was a problem, yet AFT let him buy weapons.
Why anyone would think the government will keep us safe is beyond me. The federal government is a bloated, inefficient and ineffective monster. The States need to take back many of its functions.
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Bilo wrote above (in response to Oceander):
"The underlying problem is islam. It teaches violence. It promotes doing violence. Our law enforcement receives little support from muslims and little information about what is going on inside mosques. While a majority of muslims are not going to go out and do violence there is no condemnation of it, or aggressive attempt to stop those that promote it or do it.
Ending immigration from muslim nations would be no different than not allowing large waves of immigrants from communist bloc countries into the USA during the cold war years."
Thanks for posting that, Bilo.
As I read the responses here, I'm gratified by how many forum members see islam for what it is -- in spite of attempts of a few here to defend it. It's obvious from reading above who those folks are.
But we must go beyond "seeing islam for what it is", and begin to consider what we as a civilization must do in order to defend ourselves from islam's onslaught.
You won't find many on this forum (or on other conservative forums) offering such suggestions. But I'm one of those unafraid to do so.
Aside:
Just today, I was branded "a nazi" in another thread for posting my thoughts on this subject.
Of course, the number one priority of The West is that muslims in dar al-harb must be returned to dar al-islam. To allow them to remain here, is the cultural equivalent of allowing known cancer cells (that might otherwise be excised) to remain in one's body. Perhaps those cells appear to be benign at the moment. But a moment later, they can metastasize into a clear and present danger to one's life.
Further, we need to recognize that one of our most cherished tenets of Western freedom makes us totally vulnerable to islam. That is to say, our notion that all are "equal", and that all religions deserve equal protection. This is a noble idea, but our refusal to modify it in the face of islam's putsch will give the enemy the very tools by which he (muhammed) will defeat us.
That's why I've proposed that this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
...must be changed to this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."
Considering our egalitarian past, it hurts somewhat to entertain even the possibility that such a change to our most fundamental (is that the best word to use in a thread like this?) beliefs is necessary.
But it's becoming a matter of raw survival.
islam is a raging fire that threatens to consume the entire world.
Our only chance is to fight back with a fire of greater intensity.
If we are unwilling to do so, we risk losing our culture, our faiths... and our lives.
I want The West to survive.
How about you?
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Bilo wrote above (in response to Oceander):
"The underlying problem is islam. It teaches violence. It promotes doing violence. Our law enforcement receives little support from muslims and little information about what is going on inside mosques. While a majority of muslims are not going to go out and do violence there is no condemnation of it, or aggressive attempt to stop those that promote it or do it.
Ending immigration from muslim nations would be no different than not allowing large waves of immigrants from communist bloc countries into the USA during the cold war years."
Thanks for posting that, Bilo.
As I read the responses here, I'm gratified by how many forum members see islam for what it is -- in spite of attempts of a few here to defend it. It's obvious from reading above who those folks are.
But we must go beyond "seeing islam for what it is", and begin to consider what we as a civilization must do in order to defend ourselves from islam's onslaught.
You won't find many on this forum (or on other conservative forums) offering such suggestions. But I'm one of those unafraid to do so.
Aside:
Just today, I was branded "a nazi" in another thread for posting my thoughts on this subject.
Of course, the number one priority of The West is that muslims in dar al-harb must be returned to dar al-islam. To allow them to remain here, is the cultural equivalent of allowing known cancer cells (that might otherwise be excised) to remain in one's body. Perhaps those cells appear to be benign at the moment. But a moment later, they can metastasize into a clear and present danger to one's life.
Further, we need to recognize that one of our most cherished tenets of Western freedom makes us totally vulnerable to islam. That is to say, our notion that all are "equal", and that all religions deserve equal protection. This is a noble idea, but our refusal to modify it in the face of islam's putsch will give the enemy the very tools by which he (muhammed) will defeat us.
That's why I've proposed that this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
...must be changed to this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."
Considering our egalitarian past, it hurts somewhat to entertain even the possibility that such a change to our most fundamental (is that the best word to use in a thread like this?) beliefs is necessary.
But it's becoming a matter of raw survival.
islam is a raging fire that threatens to consume the entire world.
Our only chance is to fight back with a fire of greater intensity.
If we are unwilling to do so, we risk losing our culture, our faiths... and our lives.
I want The West to survive.
How about you?
I responded on your opinion/blog thread as follows:
I would leave the wording to Constitutional attorneys. I would rather define religion more specifically so it is clear that islam is not a religion but rather a political organization and social system that includes the subjugation or death of those who will not follow it, the disparate treatment of women and requires sharia law which is antithetical to Western Civilization and calls for cruel and unusual punishment. There are so many reasons that islam is not a religion in the sense it was meant by our Founders. We managed to develop this nation without a mosque until 1929. The Founders would never have envisioned extending our rights and freedoms to muslims given their writings and efforts against the Barbary pirates.
If we are survive this existential threat where our freedoms are used against us and our government has been infiltrated at its highest levels by the Muslim Brotherhood- we had better clarify the Constitution to better define "religion."
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Some idiot was at a press conference blaming Christians, conservative politicians and everyone besides Muslims for this.
wow
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Don't know about you guys...But that sign ..you know, sure make me feel better.
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Some idiot was at a press conference blaming Christians, conservative politicians and everyone besides Muslims for this.
wow
This is what we are up against- islam is an existential threat to our nation and way of life. It is imperative to remove islam from protection as a religion under the Constitution. Our current pResident and his potential replacement both have handlers from the Muslim brotherhood.
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Some idiot was at a press conference blaming Christians, conservative politicians and everyone besides Muslims for this.
wow
Some idiot leftist was at a press conference blaming Christians, conservative politicians and everyone besides Muslims for this.
It's a mental disease really.
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FBI knew of the Shooter in 2013. Same year as The Boston Attack.
ATF also just said he legally purchased his weapons in this past week.
So FBI knew he was a problem, yet AFT let him buy weapons.
I'd like to know also how someone on the FBI terrorist watch list could pass a background check.
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This is what we are up against- islam is an existential threat to our nation and way of life. It is imperative to remove islam from protection as a religion under the Constitution. Our current pResident and his potential replacement both have handlers from the Muslim brotherhood.
Because as many say, it is a "Theocracy" NOT a religion.
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I have many books in my library relating to Islam and Muslims, both those who have converted and otherwise.
But you cannot depend on these puplished books alone to convert people in THIS country. They are here to convert you.
I'm not. :shrug:
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On Fox News now speculation about why the islamist perp was allowed to keep his job and have firearms when he had a known history of threats to his co-workers.
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On Fox News now speculation about why the islamist perp was allowed to keep his job and have firearms when he had a known history of threats to his co-workers.
And that's a good question that I think a few of us thought of.
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And that's a good question that I think a few of us thought of.
And some people expect the federal government to keep them safe- what a delusion.
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I'd like to know also how someone on the FBI terrorist watch list could pass a background check.
Being put on a watch list is done without due cause and an ability to fight it in a court of law. Some administrator simply puts a name on the list, the person doesn't even know they're on it, and therefore cannot exercise his right to a trial.
To deny gun ownership based on being such a list would be to deny the right to keep and bear arms without due process.
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There has been no ID of the LA perp which is suspicious. PC.
Very suspicious
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OMG...heartbreaking.
Can you even imagine the pain..the angst?
I cannot even fathom. This is sad on so many different levels. My heart grieves.
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Mateen was not a refugee. What point would there be in passing a law halting the flow of refugees, except as a lashing-out against Muslims?
Go to the original poster and admonish him instead.
Good grief, you are lashing out at me for suggesting Congress use its authority instead of the President.
What hole are you hiding in to say what you say?
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And some people expect the federal government to keep them safe- what a delusion.
When Islamists hold high paying jobs in that administration, too (yeah, I mean you, Barack and Valerie).
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Being put on a watch list is done without due cause and an ability to fight it in a court of law. Some administrator simply puts a name on the list, the person doesn't even know they're on it, and therefore cannot exercise his right to a trial.
To deny gun ownership based on being such a list would be to deny the right to keep and bear arms without due process.
This talk of gun control is pointless
bet more then one rpg or full auto has been smuggled in the us by muslims coming from Mexico
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Ex-wife of Killer Mateen...Sitora Yusufiy:
She met New York-born Mateen online in 2009.
Within weeks, they decided to marry.
She moved to Florida in March that year, where they wed and moved into a two-bedroom home owned by Mateen's family in Fort Pierce.
At the start of their relationship, she told the Post, he was not particularly religious and was not violent. Despite owning a handgun, she said, the then-21-year-old 'seemed like a normal human being' at first. He was a private person and dedicated much of his time to exercise. But eventually he became violent. 'He was not a stable person,' she told the Post. 'He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn't finished or something like that.' When her parents found out about the beatings just months after the wedding, they staged an intervention and rescued her from the home.
They literally saved my life,' she said.
The woman told the Post she has not had contact with Mateen since they finalized their divorce in 2011.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637857/My-parents-saved-life-Orlando-gunman-s-ex-wife-reveals-beat-not-doing-household-chores-survived-mother-father-intervened.html
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Very suspicious
The guy in LA had Indiana license plates or something. So, who knows?!
I just looked up the story, nothing further. Maybe somehow there is some explanation and it is harmless.
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Mateen was not a refugee. What point would there be in passing a law halting the flow of refugees, except as a lashing-out against Muslims?
All the same, he was radicalized. A good case can be made 1st and 2nd generation Muslims are doing this; as if somehow, it is a good talking point for refugees to say they didn't do it. I'm not calling anyone leftist or liberal but I do know this is a talking point they use.
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Sinkspur doesn't want anything to happen that would give credence to a certain political candidate. His sole purpose here for the last 9 months has been to ....well....you know what I mean.
That said, it appears he was a natural born citizen. However, ISIS publicly warned 3 days ago that they were going to attack in Florida.
Can't have it both ways, @sinkspur .
The guy is so disjointed when I pointed out to him I did not suggest Muslim refugees be stopped from coming here(although I think it a damn good idea), but using Congress instead of depending upon Obama to do so if warranted.
He also has his head in the sand on another thread when he has suggested Target's $11 billion market value reduction is in no way due to its stand on opening its bathrooms to all genders.
He is not one-dimensional.
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It seems it was Latino night at the club.
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I have many books in my library relating to Islam and Muslims, both those who have converted and otherwise.
But you cannot depend on these puplished books alone to convert people in THIS country. They are here to convert you.
You're absolutely right, but it is good to be armed with information. In my experience most people don't know that in islam it is okay to lie about islam, or your faith, if in the end it advances islam. As a result most people will believe some nicely dressed polite man who says that these terrorists don't really represent islam. The more you learn the better prepared you are to deal with the ignorant who are supposed to be with us.
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I believe the reference to knee-jerk was to getting an immediate law blocking Muslim refugees (or migrants generally) because this guy was not a migrant, he was American born and bred. Hometown terrorist, if you will.
Then he needs to attack the poster who suggested doing it. I simply said that if one does it, do not go to a brain-dead administration, but do it through Congress.
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It seems it was Latino night at the club.
I heard that. I also saw one picture where someone at the bar was in fact, a cross-dressing male like I guess a drag queen but, so it goes, I'm very sorry for all of those affected by this and the poor families of the deceased and injured. This cross-dresser was a survivor.
Edited for clarity.
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Shooters Employer responds:
Global security firm, G4S, confirmed that he worked for the company since 2007:
'We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred at the Orlando nightclub,' a statement by the company reads.
'We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation.
'Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends, families and people affected by this unspeakable tragedy.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637797/Orlando-gay-club-shooter-Omar-Mateen-investigated-TWICE-FBI.html
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Shooters Employer responds:
Global security firm, G4S, confirmed that he worked for the company since 2007:
'We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred at the Orlando nightclub,' a statement by the company reads.
'We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation.
'Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends, families and people affected by this unspeakable tragedy.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637797/Orlando-gay-club-shooter-Omar-Mateen-investigated-TWICE-FBI.html
Isn't it uncanny....might not be the right word...I can think of others....that it's the UK Daily Mail that is the quickest on the draw all the time?
Not the Washington Post...not CNN...not even FOXNEWS.
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The guy in LA had Indiana license plates or something. So, who knows?!
I just looked up the story, nothing further. Maybe somehow there is some explanation and it is harmless.
I have looking for a follow up story on the suspect's ID and there is nothing. You would think if it was harmless, the liberal media would be shouting it from the rooftops. The longer it takes for an ID, the more I think this was another islamist plot.
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2nd man arrested in LA.
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Statement from Ted Cruz
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz issued a statement Sunday regarding the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando.
Ted Cruz’s statement:
“Our nation is at war. From 9/11 to the Boston Marathon, from Fort Hood to Chattanooga, from San Bernardino to last night’s horrific attack in Orlando, radical Islamic terrorism has declared jihad on America,” Sen. Cruz said. “Early reports indicate the Orlando terrorist had pledged his allegiance to ISIS, and he had previously been investigated by the FBI. And yet, as with the prior attacks, we were not able to act to stop this act of vicious terrorism that has now murdered 50 and injured more than 50 others.
“Our hearts go out to those killed and wounded last night. Our prayers are with their families, and with all their grieving loved ones.
“It is a time for action. We need a Commander in Chief who will speak the truth, and who will unleash the full force and fury of the American military to utterly destroy ISIS and its affiliates. We need to pass the Expatriate Terrorist Act, so that known ISIS terrorists cannot use U.S. passports to return to America and wage jihad. We need a President who is serious – who will identify the enemy by name and do everything necessary to defeat it.
“The next few days will be sadly predictable. Democrats will try to use this attack to change the subject. As a matter of rigid ideology, far too many Democrats – from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton – will refuse to utter the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ They will claim this attack, like they claimed every previous attack, was isolated and had nothing to do with the vicious Islamist theology that is daily waging war on us across the globe. And they will try to exploit this terror attack to undermine the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding Americans.
“Enough is enough. What we need is for every American – Democrat and Republican – to come together, abandon political correctness, and unite in defeating radical Islamic terrorism.
“ISIS doesn’t just target soldiers. They don’t just target Republicans. Or Jews. They also target Christians and fellow Muslims. They target each and every one of us. As we saw this morning, they target the gay and lesbian community. Their objective, which they broadcast worldwide, is to murder or forcibly convert every single American.
“For all the Democrats who are loud champions of the gay and lesbian community whenever there is a culture battle waging, now is the opportunity to speak out against an ideology that calls for the murder of gays and lesbians. ISIS and the theocracy in Iran (supported with American taxpayer dollars) regularly murder homosexuals, throwing them from buildings and burying them under rocks. This is wrong, it is evil, and we must all stand against it. Every human being has a right to live according to his or her faith and conscience, and nobody has a right to murder someone who doesn’t share their faith or sexual orientation. If you’re a Democratic politician and you really want to stand for LGBT, show real courage and stand up against the vicious ideology that has targeted our fellow Americans for murder.
“Today, all of America stands in solidarity with the people of Orlando. All of us should lift them up in prayer, demand action, and if you have any information about the Orlando shooter or potential radical Islamic terror plots, please act to keep us safe by using the FBI tips website: https://tips.fbi.gov.”
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Why anyone would think the government will keep us safe is beyond me. The federal government is a bloated, inefficient and ineffective monster. The States need to take back many of its functions.
This is one of the great arguments for owning a gun and knowing how to use it. Law enforcement will show up after the fact and write a very nice report, but when the trouble happens they can't get there fast enough to do anything.
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2nd man arrested in LA.
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Statement from Ted Cruz
U.S. Senator Ted Cruz issued a statement Sunday regarding the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando.
Ted Cruz’s statement:
“Our nation is at war. From 9/11 to the Boston Marathon, from Fort Hood to Chattanooga, from San Bernardino to last night’s horrific attack in Orlando, radical Islamic terrorism has declared jihad on America,” Sen. Cruz said. “Early reports indicate the Orlando terrorist had pledged his allegiance to ISIS, and he had previously been investigated by the FBI. And yet, as with the prior attacks, we were not able to act to stop this act of vicious terrorism that has now murdered 50 and injured more than 50 others.
“Our hearts go out to those killed and wounded last night. Our prayers are with their families, and with all their grieving loved ones.
“It is a time for action. We need a Commander in Chief who will speak the truth, and who will unleash the full force and fury of the American military to utterly destroy ISIS and its affiliates. We need to pass the Expatriate Terrorist Act, so that known ISIS terrorists cannot use U.S. passports to return to America and wage jihad. We need a President who is serious – who will identify the enemy by name and do everything necessary to defeat it.
“The next few days will be sadly predictable. Democrats will try to use this attack to change the subject. As a matter of rigid ideology, far too many Democrats – from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton – will refuse to utter the words ‘radical Islamic terrorism.’ They will claim this attack, like they claimed every previous attack, was isolated and had nothing to do with the vicious Islamist theology that is daily waging war on us across the globe. And they will try to exploit this terror attack to undermine the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms of law-abiding Americans.
“Enough is enough. What we need is for every American – Democrat and Republican – to come together, abandon political correctness, and unite in defeating radical Islamic terrorism.
“ISIS doesn’t just target soldiers. They don’t just target Republicans. Or Jews. They also target Christians and fellow Muslims. They target each and every one of us. As we saw this morning, they target the gay and lesbian community. Their objective, which they broadcast worldwide, is to murder or forcibly convert every single American.
“For all the Democrats who are loud champions of the gay and lesbian community whenever there is a culture battle waging, now is the opportunity to speak out against an ideology that calls for the murder of gays and lesbians. ISIS and the theocracy in Iran (supported with American taxpayer dollars) regularly murder homosexuals, throwing them from buildings and burying them under rocks. This is wrong, it is evil, and we must all stand against it. Every human being has a right to live according to his or her faith and conscience, and nobody has a right to murder someone who doesn’t share their faith or sexual orientation. If you’re a Democratic politician and you really want to stand for LGBT, show real courage and stand up against the vicious ideology that has targeted our fellow Americans for murder.
“Today, all of America stands in solidarity with the people of Orlando. All of us should lift them up in prayer, demand action, and if you have any information about the Orlando shooter or potential radical Islamic terror plots, please act to keep us safe by using the FBI tips website: https://tips.fbi.gov.”
It's such a shame he's not the nominee. He knows who the enemy is and can express it in clear sentences.
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The guy is so disjointed when I pointed out to him I did not suggest Muslim refugees be stopped from coming here(although I think it a damn good idea), but using Congress instead of depending upon Obama to do so if warranted.
He also has his head in the sand on another thread when he has suggested Target's $11 billion market value reduction is in no way due to its stand on opening its bathrooms to all genders.
He is not one-dimensional.
Sink is very pro when it comes to the Gay and BLT agenda. So keep that in mind as you filter his comments.
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Sink is very pro when it comes to the Gay and BLT agenda. So keep that in mind as you filter his comments.
That just re-enforces a non-conservative.
One cannot be a conservative if one is not socially conservative. Period.
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24 shots in 9 second:................ Orlando gunman club massacre
(((( Warning some might find this hard to hear.......)))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2816735639&feature=iv&src_vid=uaPekvHYX0c&v=VRlixykMZM4
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That just re-enforces a non-conservative.
One cannot be a conservative if one is not socially conservative. Period.
Well I reject that premise. But whatever floats your boat. I only made mention of it to lend a bit of insight....
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Donald J. Trump Statement Regarding Tragic Terrorist Attack in Orlando, Florida
donaldjtrump.com, June 12, 2016, Donald J. Trump
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Last night, our nation was attacked by a radical Islamic terrorist. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, and the second of its kind in 6 months. My deepest sympathy and support goes out to the victims, the wounded, and their families.
In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam'. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words 'Radical Islam' she should get out of this race for the Presidency.
If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse. I am trying to save lives and prevent the next terrorist attack. We can't afford to be politically correct anymore.
The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan. According to Pew, 99% of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.
We admit more than 100,000 lifetime migrants from the Middle East each year. Since 9/11, hundreds of migrants and their children have been implicated in terrorism in the United States.
Hillary Clinton wants to dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East, bringing in many hundreds of thousands during a first term – and we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing.
We need to protect all Americans, of all backgrounds and all beliefs, from Radical Islamic Terrorism - which has no place in an open and tolerant society. Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans, and I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.
- Donald J. Trump
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I responded on your opinion/blog thread as follows:
I would leave the wording to Constitutional attorneys. I would rather define religion more specifically so it is clear that islam is not a religion but rather a political organization and social system that includes the subjugation or death of those who will not follow it, the disparate treatment of women and requires sharia law which is antithetical to Western Civilization and calls for cruel and unusual punishment. There are so many reasons that islam is not a religion in the sense it was meant by our Founders. We managed to develop this nation without a mosque until 1929. The Founders would never have envisioned extending our rights and freedoms to muslims given their writings and efforts against the Barbary pirates.
If we are survive this existential threat where our freedoms are used against us and our government has been infiltrated at its highest levels by the Muslim Brotherhood- we had better clarify the Constitution to better define "religion."
Made the comment years ago on free republic ,that a very strong case can be made for
banning Islam as threat to public order and safety ,its a totalitarian philosophy and Arab nationalism pretending to be a religion
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That just re-enforces a non-conservative.
One cannot be a conservative if one is not socially conservative. Period.
You know, it would be courteous if you pinged me with an @sinkspur when you mention me by name.
So, to you, "social conservatives" hate gays.
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Thank you for posting that.....I said the Father was Lying and I meant it...he is and will continue to do so......as will all Muslims who's family members commit Jihad in our country.
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The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban. ...In it, the elder Mateen speaks in the Dari language on a variety of political subjects. In one video, Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, while denouncing the Pakistani government. “Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in [the] Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.” The “Durand Line issue” is a historically significant one, particularly for members of the Pashtun ethnic group, whose homeland straddles the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Durand Line is that border. It is not clear whether the Mateens are Pashtun. The Afghan Taliban is mostly made up of Pashtuns.
@CatherineofAragon
@Bigun
When one cuts out the "extra" language, one is left with Mr. Mateen the elder, Afghan Taliban, Pastun, border between Afghanistan and Pakistan and "president of Afghanistan", if one clicks on a link. In the 90s, just before Russia quit fighting in Afghanistan, a documentary film about "Afghan Musicians" was made at Peshawar, the Pakistan border city with Afghanistan. This documentary filmed Afghan "musicians" waiting/living at the border until they could go home again.
They were actually leaders who would become the Taliban leaders - they were waiting on the border town until Russia was out of Afghanistan. Bin Laden was also living in Peshawar at the time. An informant for the CIA was also there. This film about "musicians" was used to identify friends and foes of the US before and at the time we invaded Afghanistan after the towers fell. The men in this film are likely friends of the elder Mateen if he has, or is, going to run for president of Afghanistan. Sometimes a documentary film has a double meaning.
I feel sure the elder Mateen's movements and utterances from his mouth are being watched each second. If one runs for president of Afghanistan, one would think he would have to be there. I saw he was running in an earlier year but haven't found a 2016 date yet. This elder Mateen appears to be a serious problem if he does have these connections to Afghanistan.
My son is a documentary director/producer.
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Ex-wife of Killer Mateen...Sitora Yusufiy:
She met New York-born Mateen online in 2009.
Within weeks, they decided to marry.
She moved to Florida in March that year, where they wed and moved into a two-bedroom home owned by Mateen's family in Fort Pierce.
At the start of their relationship, she told the Post, he was not particularly religious and was not violent. Despite owning a handgun, she said, the then-21-year-old 'seemed like a normal human being' at first. He was a private person and dedicated much of his time to exercise. But eventually he became violent. 'He was not a stable person,' she told the Post. 'He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn't finished or something like that.' When her parents found out about the beatings just months after the wedding, they staged an intervention and rescued her from the home.
They literally saved my life,' she said.
The woman told the Post she has not had contact with Mateen since they finalized their divorce in 2011.
Talk about poor initial judgment on her part. Thankfully she escaped mostly unharmed from it.
A woman should never rush into a marriage that quickly with a man that secretive. I am a firm believer in the notion that you have to build a relationship over at least several months, usually years, before you get to that point. But weeks? With that kind of personality that screams of having secrets to hide? That should have set off huge red flags in her head, but alas it didn't.
(Disclaimer: this unsolicited piece of relationship advice brought to you by a lifelong bachelor.)
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Isn't it uncanny....might not be the right word...I can think of others....that it's the UK Daily Mail that is the quickest on the draw all the time?
Not the Washington Post...not CNN...not even FOXNEWS.
That is because foreign papers can publish information as it is breaking. U.S. MSM media outlet have to go through an Army of people and levels to get approval before they can publish anything. And ultimately at the highest level everything they say first passes through the White House for final approval before it can be published, in my opinion.
This Orwellian/Soviet style of press control in America these days accounts for the delay. That is why foreign papers will frequently be first with the scoop. Once the internet becomes controlled by the unknown powers that be, all information about everything will come out all at the same time, and it will all say the same thing. That is their goal.
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Orlando Killer Worked For Company Transporting Illegal Immigrants Inside US; Was Interviewed By FBI
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi
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SWAT Team opens fire.....
WArning..Rapid fire some might find difficulty hearing......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_3oMUfcCGc
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Made the comment years ago on free republic ,that a very strong case can be made for
banning Islam as threat to public order and safety ,its a totalitarian philosophy and Arab nationalism pretending to be a religion
And you are so right. The Founders would not give Constitutional protections to a totalitarian movement that is antithetical to our Judeo-Christian values. First US mosque in 1929 gives us a clue here!
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The director for the Center on American Progress is tweeting up a storm blaming this on the NRA and lack of gun control laws.
That's because to place the blame were it really belongs, radical Islam, would require them to oppose one of the pillars of progressivism and that's multi culturalism.
It doesn't sell with the general public but progressives live in a different world than most Americans on not just this issue but many others
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That is because foreign papers can publish information as it is breaking. U.S. MSM media outlet have to go through an Army of people and levels to get approval before they can publish anything. And ultimately at the highest level everything they say first passes through the White House for final approval before it can be published, in my opinion.
This Orwellian/Soviet style of press control in America these days accounts for the delay. That is why foreign papers will frequently be first with the scoop. Once the internet becomes controlled by the unknown powers that be, all information about everything will come out all at the same time, and it will all say the same thing. That is their goal.
Yes it is their goal. One of thousands they will get too at this rate. **nononono*
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To deny gun ownership based on being such a list would be to deny the right to keep and bear arms without due process.
@Cyber Liberty
...and lefties would put TEA partiers on every list they could find.
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Donald J. Trump Statement Regarding Tragic Terrorist Attack in Orlando, Florida
donaldjtrump.com, June 12, 2016, Donald J. Trump
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The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan.
- Donald J. Trump
Once AGAIN Trump screws up the facts big time.......That's his father who published support for Taliban and ran for President....not the shooter.......................Whoever is giving him information either he's not listening or they aren't getting it right........
We CANNOT have these mistakes on issues and events as, this as Trump keeps on making...his credibility as Presidential material is zero as far as I'm concerned. He just doesn't get it!
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You know, it would be courteous if you pinged me with an @sinkspur when you mention me by name.
So, to you, "social conservatives" hate gays.
Sink; I think when you realize that Trump's policy could have actually prevented this bloodbath, you will lower your criticism of him.
People can not load off statements like Conservatives don't object to this, Muslims and Gays are beloved by the Left and so, in a sense, one of those two groups did this horrible deed.
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Once AGAIN Trump screws up the facts big time.......
Well, not exactly. Poor sentence structure aside, if you read it carefully Trump is talking about the father.
The problem is that Trump is yelling about it at all, right now. There's a time to discuss it -- tomorrow at the earliest. To do it now, while the bodies are still warm, is ghoulish.
Another example, if one were needed, of Trump's lack of mouth/twitter control.
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Once AGAIN Trump screws up the facts big time.......That's his father who published support for Taliban and ran for President....not the shooter.......................Whoever is giving him information either he's not listening or they aren't getting it right........
We CANNOT have these mistakes on issues and events as, this as Trump keeps on making...his credibility as Presidential material is zero as far as I'm concerned. He just doesn't get it!
I'm not sure if what you are saying does go along with the facts. Trump is, from my reading, talking about the father.
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Talk about poor initial judgment on her part. Thankfully she escaped mostly unharmed from it.
A woman should never rush into a marriage that quickly with a man that secretive. I am a firm believer in the notion that you have to build a relationship over at least several months, usually years, before you get to that point. But weeks? With that kind of personality that screams of having secrets to hide? That should have set off huge red flags in her head, but alas it didn't.
(Disclaimer: this unsolicited piece of relationship advice brought to you by a lifelong bachelor.)
As one married to his original wife for nearly 33 years, I concur. We were engaged for nearly two years, and had known each other since we were 16.
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This talk of gun control is pointless...
But it is MANDATORY for the establishment/media. They can't blame the homo crowd for inciting the koranimal minions. Can't have that.
(Presumably, it IS OK though to blame Pam Geller for stoking their murderous passions)
Nope. The safe bet is to blame it on guns, Trump, Christianity, the NRA, . . ..
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Well, not exactly. Poor sentence structure aside, if you read it carefully Trump is talking about the father.
The problem is that Trump is yelling about it at all, right now. There's a time to discuss it -- tomorrow at the earliest. To do it now, while the bodies are still warm, is ghoulish.
Another example, if one were needed, of Trump's lack of mouth/twitter control.
:thumbsup:
Agree, I don't think it's too difficult to understand either.
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Once AGAIN Trump screws up the facts big time.......That's his father who published support for Taliban and ran for President....not the shooter.......................Whoever is giving him information either he's not listening or they aren't getting it right........
We CANNOT have these mistakes on issues and events as, this as Trump keeps on making...his credibility as Presidential material is zero as far as I'm concerned. He just doesn't get it!
Aren't we all just going to love a twitter presidency, with impulsive remarks and crazy thoughts fired off at all hours of the day and night?
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Talk about poor initial judgment on her part. Thankfully she escaped mostly unharmed from it.
A woman should never rush into a marriage that quickly with a man that secretive. I am a firm believer in the notion that you have to build a relationship over at least several months, usually years, before you get to that point. But weeks? With that kind of personality that screams of having secrets to hide? That should have set off huge red flags in her head, but alas it didn't.
(Disclaimer: this unsolicited piece of relationship advice brought to you by a lifelong bachelor.)
Well it's not uncommon in their culture to marry quickly regardless if they're raised here or in the ME...mostly because of their laws on chastity and sex overall....which any of the males in Aphganistan have had homosexual relations because they see woman in the light that they do. For those who are raised with some of the Western values they still must abide by Islams teachings in marriage.
It's a sufficating barbaric ideology that supresses everything normal to man under a fake religious front to keep it's members "obedient".
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Campaign event involving Hillary Clinton, Pres. Obama in Green Bay postponed
http://fox6now.com/2016/06/12/campaign-event-involving-hillary-clinton-pres-obama-in-green-bay-postponed/
Hmpt...since when does teamobama cancel anything?? Hillary can’t even kick off her own campaign?
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Sink; I think when you realize that Trump's policy could have actually prevented this bloodbath, you will lower your criticism of him.
People can not load off statements like Conservatives don't object to this, Muslims and Gays are beloved by the Left and so, in a sense, one of those two groups did this horrible deed.
What policy of Trump's would have prevented Orlando? The parents have been here nearly 30 years. Trump will not prevent anything with a Muslim ban. What he will do is require that every US visitor produce proof of religion. That's nuts and you know it.
Your second statement makes no sense to me.
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What policy of Trump's would have prevented Orlando? The parents have been here nearly 30 years. Trump will not prevent anything with a Muslim ban. What he will do is require that every US visitor produce proof of religion. That's nuts and you know it.
Your second statement makes no sense to me.
The young man was on the FBI radar. They knew of him, they knew of the Tsarnaevs; nothing happened.
Trump's platform is to tighten up security.
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Well, not exactly. Poor sentence structure aside, if you read it carefully Trump is talking about the father.
The problem is that Trump is yelling about it at all, right now. There's a time to discuss it -- tomorrow at the earliest. To do it now, while the bodies are still warm, is ghoulish.
Another example, if one were needed, of Trump's lack of mouth/twitter control.
The problem is TRUMP in general..... One shouldn't have to have "translators" to let people know what he's saying all the time....or/and telling us later he means something else.....then blaming the press and others for his own doing.
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Campaign event involving Hillary Clinton, Pres. Obama in Green Bay postponed
http://fox6now.com/2016/06/12/campaign-event-involving-hillary-clinton-pres-obama-in-green-bay-postponed/
Hmpt...since when does teamobama cancel anything?? Hillary can’t even kick off her own campaign?
Damage control-meetings with their muslim brotherhood handlers for talking points- Zero and Hitlery can't mess up their public comments.
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The young man was on the FBI radar. They knew of him, they knew of the Tsarnaevs; nothing happened.
Trump's platform is to tighten up security.
He will face the same issues of how far he can go without taking our freedoms from us.
Look how people reacted when they were being checked at airports and still do. It's not going to be a quick solution as he's claiming because every Civil Liberties group, Minority Group, and Muslim Group will fight that.
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The young man was on the FBI radar. They knew of him, they knew of the Tsarnaevs; nothing happened.
Trump's platform is to tighten up security.
You didn't answer the question. What policy of Trump's would have prevented Orlando given that the parents have been here over 30 years?
Is Trump going to micromanage the FBI too? Do you think the FBI wants things like Orlando to happen?
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That just re-enforces a non-conservative.
One cannot be a conservative if one is not socially conservative. Period.
That's ridiculous, @IsailedawayfromFR !
I'm a staunch, Big C...Conservative. And I abhor all strident SOCONS.
They're why we've had Obama....and if they get their way...Hillary Clinton. Screw them...and their so-called principles.
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You didn't answer the question. What policy of Trump's would have prevented Orlando given that the parents have been here over 30 years?
Is Trump going to micromanage the FBI too? Do you think the FBI wants things like Orlando to happen?
Of course not....not as an agency by itself.
It's the Director...who follows Administration policy. The DOJ...FBI and the DHS are politicized.
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Trump's platform is to tighten up security.
That statement is as meaningful as "I will fix Social Security."
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Of course not....not as an agency by itself.
It's the Director...who follows Administration policy. The DOJ...FBI and the DHS are politicized.
And the opposite result is unanswerable shadow dictatorships like the J. Edgar Hoover era.
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And the opposite result is unanswerable shadow dictatorships like the J. Edgar Hoover era.
So...you don't think it's possible to maintain a happy medium?
The current structure of the agencies is corrupt.
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That statement is as meaningful as "I will fix Social Security."
Trump promises he is going to put "muslims" in a Lock Box.
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Tunisia shut down 80 Mosques, if a country like that does it, is it still prejudice? I don't think so. No one is talking per se of shutting down places, but the issue should be studied and if it preaches radicalism like it seems this place in Orlando was, hell yeah, it should be shut down.
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Obama really has egg on his face.
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You didn't answer the question. What policy of Trump's would have prevented Orlando given that the parents have been here over 30 years?
Is Trump going to micromanage the FBI too? Do you think the FBI wants things like Orlando to happen?
Perhaps nothing.
What I think is people who want lax security are in part responsible for these times.
So, Trump's policies could well have stopped these.
Tunisia's government has shut down Mosques, Mosques teaching radicalism. Good luck calling their government racist.
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Chieftan wrote above:
"Time for the left to realize this is the face of Mainstream Islam. Homosexuals are thrown off of buildings in the Middle East, or strung up by the neck on a crane to strangle in Iran."
(http://i.imgur.com/uzc6CYk.png)
Edit:
My apologies for posting this twice -- hadn't seen the image WAC posted earlier!
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240b wrote:
"If the Left has some fantasy going that they can 'reform Islam', they need to let go of that immediately, before they get themselves killed, and many of us along with them."
There is a contingent of members in this forum who believe in exactly the same thing. ;)
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Of course not....not as an agency by itself.
It's the Director...who follows Administration policy. The DOJ...FBI and the DHS are politicized.
So James Comey is OK with letting terrorists go free.
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Perhaps nothing.
What I think is people who want lax security are in part responsible for these times.
So, Trump's policies could well have stopped these.
Tunisia's government has shut down Mosques, Mosques teaching radicalism. Good luck calling their government racist.
So you want more intrusive government. We know Trump does, so you must agree with him.
Again, what policies of Trump would have stopped the Orlando massacre? Or is that just some vague hope of yours?
Trump has no policies that would stop an American citizen from shooting up a nightclub, or a church, or anywhere else. You may as well face that.
We have a Constitution and we don't ban religious practice in this country. That's why we're America and Tunisia is, well, Tunisia.
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ISIS 'kill list' targets Palm Beach, Treasure Coast residents: Ex-FBI agent
By Kathleen Walter Wednesday, June 8th 2016
http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/isis-kill-list-targets-palm-beach-treasure-coast-residents-ex-fbi-agent
FILE - ISIS 'Kill List' Targets Palm Beach, Treasure Coast Residents according to an ex-FBI agent Wednesday, June 8, 2016. (MGN Online)
WEST PALM BEACH (CBS12) — A pro-Isis group has released a hit list with the names of more than 8,000 peoplemostly Americans.
More than 600-people live in Florida, and one security expert believes that many of those targeted live in Palm Beach County and on the Treasure Coast.
The "United Cyber Caliphate" that hacked U.S. Central Command, 54,000 Twitter accounts and threatened President Barack Obama is the same pro-Isis group that's reportedly created a "kill list" with the names, addresses and emails of thousands of civilian Americans.
Reports of the list came to light online when Vocativ reported the list was shared via the encrypted app, Telegram, and called on supporters to kill.
Former FBI agent-turned lawyer Stuart Kaplan says the threat is especially alarming, because the people on this list are civilians who don't have the security necessary to protect themselves.
"It's going to create some hysteria," he said.
Kaplan believes civilians from our community are on the list.
"I would suspect a head of a hospital or, perhaps, a local community leader. Those are the individuals that may appear on the list--or just a local banker or local school teacher--someone who, for some reason, was in the public eye."
Kaplan is concerned the list will inspire "lone wolf" style attacks.
"If in fact a sympathizer gets ahold of this list and is readily able to identify you as being his neighbor and, then, decides (because they're a sympathizer) to go out and do something horrific to you, there is no way to calculate the potential or to prevent that."
The list has not yet been made public.
We reached out to the FBI, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office and Martin County Sheriff's Office to see how credible they view the threat and what action they might be taking.
We are awaiting their response.
According to the Martin County Sheriffs office,the FBI is aware of this and the agency will work closely with the Joint-Terrorism Task Force to keep citizens safe.
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Talk about poor initial judgment on her part. Thankfully she escaped mostly unharmed from it.
A woman should never rush into a marriage that quickly with a man that secretive. I am a firm believer in the notion that you have to build a relationship over at least several months, usually years, before you get to that point. But weeks? With that kind of personality that screams of having secrets to hide? That should have set off huge red flags in her head, but alas it didn't.
(Disclaimer: this unsolicited piece of relationship advice brought to you by a lifelong bachelor.)
Usually each others bad habits don't surface until 8-10 months
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That's a stereotype. I work with three Muslims who are observing Ramadan and who will no doubt be horrified by this. And they know they'll be looked at sideways for a while even though they would never agree with something like this.
Maybe the guy was just anti-gay. That sentiment is not limited to Muslims.
The populations have grown in many of the countries listed, but the end results of the percentages is still accurate.
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 1.8%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 5.2%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
Feel free to copy this info and spread it to other forums.
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The list has not yet been made public.
I wonder if those on the list have been informed so they can protect themselves.
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html
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http://gawker.com/police-identify-l-a-pride-weapons-suspect-as-james-wes-1781852370
According to the political posts on FB he is a Bernie Supporter. Check out the thread.
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That just re-enforces a non-conservative.
One cannot be a conservative if one is not socially conservative. Period.
I have zero problem with gay marriage but I am strong 2nd amend, want strong borders, sick of PC culture, small gov't on and on.
Limbaugh's 4 marriages and Newt's adultery and multiple marriages has hurt the sanctity of marriage more than two women who have been living together for 30 years and want to get married but I don't see conservatives railing against Limbaugh and Newt
You see...the real issue is the elites throwing you the gay marriage bone to keep your mind of the fact they have destroyed the American dream through globalism but some are just too plain dumb to see it.
@IsailedawayfromFR
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Witnesses said he fired relentlessly - 20 rounds, 40, then 50 and more. Pictured the damaged rear wall of the nightclub .
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When Obama said..."Americans" have to ask themselves if this the type of country they want to have"....I was livid!!!!!
What a B*stard!! ...As if Americans were collectively to blame for this Islamic creep who massacured all these people in cold blood!....
He tried oh so hard to divert attention away from the killer for what happened on order to "correct" what he sees is wrong with us!
I cannot way til this man is gone from our House never to return! ....It cannot be too soon!
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240b wrote:
"If the Left has some fantasy going that they can 'reform Islam', they need to let go of that immediately, before they get themselves killed, and many of us along with them."
There is a contingent of members in this forum who believe in exactly the same thing. ;)
Reforming Islam is possible, but unfortunately both for the rest of us and for the Muslims themselves, only if Islam as a military movement is handed a defeat on the order of that handed the Imperial Japanese in WW II and the pre-Menno Anabaptists (who much to the horror of both Latins and other protestants purposed to establish their notion of the Kingdom of God on Earth by force of arms) during the Thirty Years War. Both Imperial Shinto (which also inspired young men to serve as guidance systems for bombs) and Anabaptism turned pacificist after crushing and quite horrific military defeats -- the well-known atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki following on the slow grinding down of the Imperial Japanese fleet and army, and the less-well-known Seige of Muenster.
As for the left or anyone on this board reforming Islam, not bloody likely -- the left doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done, and those of us posting to this board don't have control of either the military or the bully pulpit even if we'd have the will and strategic clarity to attempt the job.
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I read in the comments that he voted for Obama both times.
The LA suspect is supposedly 20 years old- not old enough to have voted either time.
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Orlando Terrorist: The Most Gun Control-Compliant Shooter in History?
by Logan Churchwell12 Jun 201663
TAMPA, FLORIDA — President Barack Obama’s immediate leveraging of the atrocious Islamic terror attack in Orlando toward new gun control reforms may be predictable — yet the circumstances involving the professional background of Omar S. Mateen could prove a breaking point for his fellow anti-gun activists. As the debate eventually moves toward the Second Amendment, activists must answer how the most prevalent mass shooter in American history cleared background checks, medical examination, registration and dozens of hours of mandated training.
“We have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well,” President Obama noted in a White House press conference today. The Administration’s typical pivot toward promoting background checks, health evaluations and related registration procedures will likely not see as much air time in the days ahead – for good reason.
Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was registered by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services as a private security officer with an additional Class G Firearm License. Compared to a standard civilian concealed carry permit issued by the same Department, Mateen was required to undergo the full battery of common gun control measures floated after mass shootings.
Before acquiring a Class G permit, Mateen completed the requirements for the prerequisite Class D protocol. The Basic Security Officer Training process requires the completion of a 40 hour course over four consecutive days by a school or instructor licensed by the State of Florida. Mateen had to clear a criminal background check to satisfy the requirements and be legally able to work in the United States. He was required to renew his Class D Security license annually. Breitbart Texas’ review of Mateen’s Class D record found that license number D2723758 was set to expire on September 14, 2017.
Mateen’s Class G firearm license was far more detailed. The gunman completed an additional 28 hours of guided instruction focusing on legal statutes governing the permit and responsibilities therein (12 hours); operational safety and firearm mechanics (8 hours); and a firearms qualification exam in a shooting range for eight hours. He passed a 96-round shooting proficiency battery. Thereafter, Mateen’s criminal background was reviewed again pursuant to the application and submitted to a separate medical evaluation that certified he had no conditions that “would preclude [Mateen] from performing duties in an armed capacity.”
Class G licensees must register proofs of identity, citizenship/legal residency and fingerprints with application documents as well. Like Class D holders, Class G requires annual proficiency testing as well. Omar Mateen’s Class G license (G2704169) would have expired on September 13, 2017.
When executing his duties under the Class G license, Mateen could carry up to two semiautomatic pistols or revolvers ranging from .38 to .45 ACP calibers.
The .223 caliber assault rifle and 9mm pistol used in the mass shooting were confirmed to be legally purchased by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in a tweet published Sunday afternoon.
The Wall Street Journal reported that beyond the Florida licensing requirements, both previous FBI probes into Mateen’s conduct and potential terrorist connections could not be verified a threat worthy of further action.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/12/orlando-terrorist-gun-control-compliant-shooter-history/
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You are right on that age thing of this guy from Indiana, assuming his FB timeline is correct. I thought of that too.
May have been old enough and probably was in 2012 though,.
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We have a Constitution and we don't ban religious practice in this country. That's why we're America and Tunisia is, well, Tunisia.
But their "religion" demands they either kill or subjugate you. Hello?
Dear Lord, man. Pull your head out. Are you telling us you're unable to distinguish between invasion and worshiping God?
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But their "religion" demands they either kill or subjugate you. Hello?
Dear Lord, man. Pull your head out. Are you telling us you're unable to distinguish between invasion and worshiping God?
Good point.
I like your avatar, I was looking at that painting the other day on the web, I think it's called "Free Speech".
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Good point.
I like your avatar, I was looking at that painting the other day on the web, I think it's called "Free Speech".
Yes. It was a Norman Rockwell, one of the Four Freedoms paintings.
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Good point.
I like your avatar, I was looking at that painting the other day on the web, I think it's called "Free Speech".
I like it because it depicts Joe Six-Pack, Joe the Plumber, an average American country bumpkin. He may not be the most eloquent speaker or the quickest of wit.... But IF you give him some accurate information and a little time to think, he WILL make the correct decision.
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Reports that Orlando shooter has been to Mecca and was very active at his mosque- as well as calling into 911 with message of solidarity with ISIS. Yet Obama is looking for a motive.
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So you want more intrusive government. We know Trump does, so you must agree with him.
Again, what policies of Trump would have stopped the Orlando massacre? Or is that just some vague hope of yours?
Trump has no policies that would stop an American citizen from shooting up a nightclub, or a church, or anywhere else. You may as well face that.
We have a Constitution and we don't ban religious practice in this country. That's why we're America and Tunisia is, well, Tunisia.
When your religion endorses killing unbelievers and apostates and all the other crap Islam calls for maybe it should be banned
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/florida-muslim-speaker-says-killing-gays-is-act-of-compassion
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When your religion endorses killing unbelievers and apostates and all the other crap Islam calls for maybe it should be banned
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/florida-muslim-speaker-says-killing-gays-is-act-of-compassion
Well, get busy organizing your amendment to overturn the First Amendment protection of freedom of religion. I don't see rampant killing of unbelievers by American Muslims, but whatever.
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Well, get busy organizing your amendment to overturn the First Amendment protection of freedom of religion. I don't see rampant killing of unbelievers by American Muslims, but whatever.
Many people say Islam is a Theocracy, meaning, including government as seen in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, a system of law such as Sharia.
I'd go along with that.
And I'd also go with a Constructionist view of the Constitution, what the framers meant.
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...I don't see rampant killing of unbelievers by American Muslims, but whatever.
That is an awful blind statement. :osama: :2gunz:
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When your religion endorses killing unbelievers and apostates and all the other crap Islam calls for maybe it should be banned
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/florida-muslim-speaker-says-killing-gays-is-act-of-compassion
A good case can be made that we are talking about a "Theocracy", everyone can research that.
Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law
http://canadafreepress.com/article/islam-is-not-a-religion-it-is-foreign-law
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That is an awful blind statement. :osama: :2gunz:
And somewhat qualified "American Muslims"; these are arguments I have heard.
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Many people say Islam is a Theocracy, meaning, including government as seen in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, a system of law such as Sharia.
I'd go along with that.
And I'd also go with a Constructionist view of the Constitution, what the framers meant.
Yes. We don't have anything approximating a theocracy of any kind and that's the way it will remain.
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That is an awful blind statement. :osama: :2gunz:
So update me on the killing of unbelievers because they're unbelievers by Muslims. I do sleep some.
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The populations have grown in many of the countries listed, but the end results of the percentages is still accurate.
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 1.8%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 5.2%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
Feel free to copy this info and spread it to other forums.
This illustrates quite well the results of hijera- the migration of muslims to new territory. The US is being colonized and our government insists on importing the cause of our ultimate demise.
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The populations have grown in many of the countries listed, but the end results of the percentages is still accurate.
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 1.8%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 5.2%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
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This is great this was posted, I don't see Belgium on the list; and, these percentages may be from a few years ago. 2009 maybe and probably in fact, different years for the different countries but still largely on the mark.
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Sorry, this really is getting worse and worse in this being in Western nations.
This was our Baclava (or whatever it was called in Paris) and it is.
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Sorry, this really is getting worse and worse in this being in Western nations.
This was our Baclava (or whatever it was called in Paris) and it is.
Baclava
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50 killed, they wouldn't care if it was 500 or 5000. Beasts!
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"More than 600-people live in Florida, and one security expert believes that many of those targeted live in Palm Beach County and on the Treasure Coast."
What??
Guess that's supposed to me more than 600 of the 8000 people on the "hit list".
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So...you don't think it's possible to maintain a happy medium?
The current structure of the agencies is corrupt.
Because the current regime is corrupt. And the people, knowing (at least by 2012) that he is corrupt, reelected him anyway. If you vote for a corrupt liberal, you will get a corrupt, liberal regime. So, what do we do? We nominate two corrupt liberals.
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Because the current regime is corrupt. And the people, knowing (at least by 2012) that he is corrupt, reelected him anyway. If you vote for a corrupt liberal, you will get a corrupt, liberal regime. So, what do we do? We nominate two corrupt liberals.
You have no proof...and merely emote/project your biases on Donald Trump...regarding his being corrupt.
His not being sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, by itself, earns him my vote.
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You have no proof...and merely emote/project your biases on Donald Trump...regarding his being corrupt.
His not being sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, by itself, earns him my vote.
There is another posted article telling how stumpy paid himself millions as CEO of a company losing nearly all of its original market cap. There are other articles attesting to how he has ripped off jurisdictions with outlandish tax breaks, how he has bankrupted companies, while getting rich, himself, how he has stiffed vendors, worked with mobsters, hires illegal immigrants, and then, to cap it all off, he has admitted to bribery of public officials.
There is quite a bit of hard evidence that he is completely corrupt.
The position for which there is no evidence is that he's not corrupt.
Sadly, his adversary in November is nearly as corrupt.
#Nevertrump #Neverhitlery
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There are other articles attesting to how he has ripped off jurisdictions with outlandish tax breaks
I won't hold against anyone wanting to pay as little taxes as possible. If the cities/counties offered him tax incentives for building whatever, they thought they would make up the difference elsewhere. But, I'm curious what tax breaks you're talking about?
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I won't hold against anyone wanting to pay as little taxes as possible. If the cities/counties offered him tax incentives for building whatever, they thought they would make up the difference elsewhere. But, I'm curious what tax breaks you're talking about?
He donated big bucks to Rahm Emmanuel and got mega-tax breaks almost equal to the value of the building.... taxpayers will pick up the tab of course
Same in NYC where his main building has about a $160 million tax abatement.
Other small and medium businesses do not get deals like this.
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World | Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:47am EDT
Related: U.S., Election 2016, Politics
Obama calls Orlando nightclub shooting an attack on all Americans
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-whitehouse-idUSKCN0YY0UX
President Barack Obama on Sunday described the worst mass shooting in U.S. history as "an act of terror" and "an act of hate," saying the massacre of 50 people at a packed gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida was an attack on all Americans.
"Today as Americans we grieve the brutal murder, a horrific massacre of dozens of innocent people," he said in a statement at the White House.
"Although it is still early in the investigation, we know enough to say that this was an act of terror and an act of hate," Obama said.
"We will not give in to fear or turn against each other. Instead, we will stand united as Americans to protect our people and defend our nation, and to take action against those who threaten us."
He ordered the flag at the White House to be flown at half staff to honor the victims.
The shooter, who was identified as Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was killed by police at the nightclub. A top U.S. congressman said Mateen may have pledged allegiance to the Islamic State militant group, but U.S. officials cautioned they had no direct evidence of a connection.
Fifty-three people were wounded in the rampage, which surpassed the 32 people killed in the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech university.
Obama said it was appropriate for the FBI to investigate the massacre as an act of terrorism and said he would "spare no effort" to determine whether the assailant had been inspired or associated with an extremist group.
The president also termed the shooting a new reminder of "how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or a movie theater or in a nightclub," a reference to other mass killings that have punctuated recent U.S. history.
"We have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be," he said.
(Reporting by Timothy Gardner, Sarah N. Lynch, Jason Lange, Ginger Gibson and David Morgan; Editing by Nick Zieminski and Chris Reese)
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I see nothing so far which indicates Imam Obama is going to call this islamic terrorism so I'm guessing the FBI and Florida officials will conclude this is simply domestic terrorism. :Obounce:
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Devout Muslim SHOOTS DEAD AT LEAST 20 at Florida gay club after bursting in ‘wearing a SUICIDE VEST’ and TAKING HOSTAGES
By Pamela Geller on June 12, 2016
Where is gay leadership? Condemning me or my colleagues who oppose the most brutal and extreme ideology on the face of the earth.
Where are the left-wing, the gay and LGBT organizations denouncing the Islamic texts that inspire such mayhem and murder of gays? Where is that fierce gay leadership condemning Muslim oppression of gays under the sharia? The silence is deafening. ...
More at Pamela Geller's site (http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/devout-muslim-shoots-dead-at-least-20-at-florida-gay-club-after-bursting-in-wearing-a-suicide-vest-and-taking-hostages.html/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.h0Lq7mYj.dpuf)
One of my nuttier Facebook "friends" (I keep her as a friend so I can keep tabs on the nutiness), posted the following:
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They remain intentionally ignorant of their real enemies.
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Sick.
@geronl
@sinkspur
Yeah, that was originally my post, sorry geronl for getting ya in trouble. I let the post stand because it painfully highlighted the hypocrisy of the left's recent push for men in the restrooms (transsexuals or anyone that just darn well feels like invading ladies' bathrooms/dressingrooms).
BTW... hello to you sinkspur too, this "sick" person hasn't heard from you since the anglequeen days at FR. LoL, I seem to remember you didn't think much of me then either for some reason, but you were pretty argumentative all the time.
See we are both #nevertrumpers but obviously/probable for different reasons.
Edit reason: Cause I wanted to... or to be more honest I probable messed up something.
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ACLU Lawyers Blame Christians For Orlando Terror Attack
Posted By Kevin Daley On 5:15 PM 06/12/2016 In | No Comments
Several American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) attorneys took to Twitter to blame the “Christian Right” for Sunday’s deadly terrorist attack at a nightclub in Orlando, Fla., which left 50 dead and 53 injured.
Chase Strangio, a staff attorney with the ACLU’s LGBT and AIDS Project, claimed the social and political environment cultivated by Christian conservatives in recent months was to blame for the shooting at Pulse, a nightclub popular with Orlando’s LGBT community.
[dcquiz] Strangio also called for solidarity between American Muslims and LGBT communities, arguing both are maligned and oppressed by the religious right.
Federal law enforcement officials have identified Omar Mateen, of Port St. Lucie, Fla., as the alleged shooter. Mateen’s father told NBC news his son harbored anti-gay sentiments, and said his son gave voice to those feelings recently during a trip to Miami, where he saw two men kissing.
Another ACLU attorney, Eunice Hyon Min Rho, who specializes in election and religious liberty law, impugned the motives of Republican lawmakers who expressed sympathy for the victims, by pointing out many were sponsors of the First Amendment Defense Act, legislation the ACLU considers anti-LGBT.
She further characterized expressions of solidarity as “useless,” as many of the victims could be people of color, who she contends are regularly stigmatized by Republican legislators. Little demographic data is currently available about the victims, as many have not yet been identified.
She went on to retweet a user who claimed many public officials would use the auspices of an LGBT tragedy to pursue an “anti-Muslim agenda.”
The ACLU did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.
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Terrorist Omar Mateen, 29, was investigated by FBI
Posted By -NO AUTHOR- On 06/12/2016 @ 12:14 pm In Faith,Front Page,U.S. | No Comments
Omar Mateen seen wearing unofficial NYPD garments
Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S.-born citizen from Port St. Lucie, Fla., has been identified as the suspect in Sunday’s mass shooting that left at least 50 dead and more than 50 others wounded at Pulse, a “gay” nightclub in Orlando, Florida.
According to public records, Mateen had a permit to carry a concealed weaponed and was a licensed security guard. He had worked for G4S, a security company.
Mateen was a registered Democrat and records show he was married to a New Jersey woman originally from Uzbekistan in Port St. Lucie in 2009.
According to Florida court records, the two formally divorced in 2011.
“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to the Washington Post. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”
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His ex-wife said at one point, Mateen worked as a guard at a nearby facility for juvenile delinquents.
Staff at the Islamic Center, a mosque in Ft. Pierce, Fla., confirmed to CBS News that Mateen has worshiped at the facility regularly for several years.
The mosque condemned the attack in a statement released Sunday afternoon:
“We condemn this monstrous attack and offer our heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of all those killed or injured. The Muslim community of Fort Pierce joins our fellow Americans in repudiating anyone or any group that would claim to justify or excuse such an appalling act of violence.”
A co-worker, who worked with Mateen at G4S Security for several months in 2014 and 2015, described him as homophobic, “unhinged and unstable,” according to Florida Today.
Omar Mateen’s freshman yearbook photo at Martin County High School.
Daniel Gilroy said Mateen began sending him multiple texts a day, leading Gilroy to quit his job.
“I quit because everything he said was toxic,” Gilroy said. “And the company wouldn’t do anything. This guy was unhinged and unstable. He talked of killing people.”
Facebook posts from Mateen’s former classmates at Martin County High School in Stuart, Fla., describe how Mateen made anti-American statements and seemed unsympathetic about the loss of life following the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks.
Mateen, who was born in New York to Afghan parents, came to the attention of federal authorities in 2013 and 2014, a senior law-enforcement source told the Daily Beast.
The FBI at one point opened an investigation into Mateen but subsequently closed the case.
“He’s a known quantity,” the source told the Daily Beast. “He’s been on the radar before.”
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CNN anchor Jake Tapper said during a live broadcast that the network would no longer identify Mateen during news coverage of the shooting aftermath: “We are now learning more about the suspect, learning more about him, let us use the information that I’m about to share with you sparingly, his name was Omar Mateen, that is a name I will not mention again for the rest of the show. And that is his photograph, we know he was training as a private security guard … let us take that graphic down.”
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., told CNN he was informed by local police that Mateen pledged allegiance to ISIS, but could not confirm when the gunman made the declaration.
Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said Senate Intelligence staff had information that there was an ISIS connection to the shooting.
NBC News later confirmed from law-enforcement officials that Mateen had called 9-1-1 moments before the shooting to pledge allegiance to the leader of ISIS.
Mateen also referenced the Tsarnaev brothers, who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013, at the scene, sources said.
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Mateen’s father,Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, told NBC News, “This has nothing to do with religion.”
He said the sight of two men kissing a few months ago in Miami angered his son, and speculates that could have triggered his decision to kill.
“We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident,” the father added. “We weren’t aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country.”
Mateen’s friend, who asked not to be identified, told the Washington Post that several years ago Mateen went on the pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
“He was quite religious,” the friend said.
Dartevious Parker, a neighbor who lived near Mateen, said Mateen was living with a woman at the time of the massacre and had a 3-year-old son.
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Photographs of Mateen on social media show him wearing NYPD shirts, but law enforcement said the killer had no association with the department and the unofficial garments can be purchased by the general public in retail stores, according to TMZ.
Police searched Mateen’s Florida home shortly after the massacre.
In 2007, Mateen graduated with an associate degree of science from Indian River State College in Fort Pierce.
Police search Mateen’s Port St. Lucie, Florida, home
Mateen, who was armed with a rifle and a handgun, entered Pulse club around 2 a.m. Sunday morning and began shooting, as WND reported.
The deadliest single-person mass murder in American history before Orlando occured in Bath, Michigan, in 1927, when a man bombed a school, killing 44 people.
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Well I reject that premise. But whatever floats your boat. I only made mention of it to lend a bit of insight....
Our Founders knew well that social conservatism, including the belief in God and his superiority over us humans, was the foundation to all the documents which they drew up for this new country.
The sanctity of life, the need for expression of religion freely, and the understanding that we are accountable to God is how conservatism begins. Read the Declaration and it cannot be seen in another light.
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How many more Omar Mateens are out there? Should we wait until the next slaughter to do something?
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Of course....look at all those Christians going around slaughtering people in the name of Christ. /s
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@geronl
@sinkspur
Yeah, that was originally my post, sorry geronl for getting ya in trouble. I let the post stand because it painfully highlighted the hypocrisy of the left's recent push for men in the restrooms (transsexuals or anyone that just darn well feels like invading ladies' bathrooms/dressingrooms).
BTW... hello to you sinkspur too, this "sick" person hasn't heard from you since the anglequeen days at FR. LoL, I seem to remember you didn't think much of me then either for some reason, but you were pretty argumentative all the time.
See we are both #nevertrumpers but obviously/probable for different reasons.
Edit reason: Cause I wanted to... or to be more honest I probable messed up something.
Welcome. Don't remember who you were, but that's fine. Lots of water under the bridge over ten years.
I'm #NeverTrump because Trump is crazy. We can't survive a crazy man in the White House.
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That's ridiculous, @IsailedawayfromFR !
I'm a staunch, Big C...Conservative. And I abhor all strident SOCONS.
They're why we've had Obama....and if they get their way...Hillary Clinton. Screw them...and their so-called principles.
Better go read the Declaration once again. The belief in God and accountability to Him and his teachings, the freedom to express religion and the sancitity of life are how the Foundational documents of this country are based. That is social conservatism, and its hallmark is morality.
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Pictures of the father have been shown.
The ultimate responsibility for the act is that of Omar Mateen; but how he was raised, likely indoctrinated, Omar beat up his wife must show something. The father looks very stern.
Omar worked at a GNC:
Drag Queen: Anti-Gay Terrorist Omar Mateen Was My Friend
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/drag-queen-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-was-my-friend.html
And at the Security Firm:
Recent co-workers described Mateen’s demeanor as aggressive and anti-gay. Daniel Gilroy, who worked with Mateen at the security company G4S, told Florida Today that he was “unhinged and unstable.”
“I quit because everything he said was toxic, and the company wouldn’t do anything,” Gilroy told the news outlet. “This guy was unhinged and unstable. He talked of killing people.”
“When I saw his picture on the news, I thought, of course, he did that,” fellow security guard Eric Baumer told Newsday. “He had bad things to say about everybody—blacks, Jews, gays, a lot of politicians, our soldiers. He had a lot of hate in him. He told me America destroyed Afghanistan.”
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Good Morning all. I wake up to a smooth cup of joe, the morning news, and a feeling that good things will happen today.
After reading the news, it strikes me that the Muslim fanatic is described as being 'obsessed' with gays and homosexuality in nearly every article I read. I think most of us already know what that usually means, and so I will not bother to say it.
It sounds like the guy may have been shooting at himself, he may have been shooting at his own demons when he killed all those people. The extreme violence and hate which is sanctioned and even promoted by Islam, was enough to push him into doing something which he apparently wanted to do anyway.
I doubt this had anything to do with pleasing Allah, except maybe indirectly. And that is the norm with 'radical' [read insane] Muslims. They live out their most base fantasies, rape, torture, enslavement of prisoners, etc. and then justify it by saying it is for their 'religion'. I doubt it.
I think that Muslims who rape, torture, and kill, want to do it. Islam just gives them the license.
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Living up to their nickname: the Anti-Christian Litigation Union.
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Good Morning all. I wake up to a smooth cup of joe, the morning news, and a feeling that good things will happen today.
After reading the news, it strikes me that the Muslim fanatic is described as being 'obsessed' with gays and homosexuality in nearly every article I read.
I'm shocked to discover he didn't post at FR. Such a bunch of extreme, vulgar homophobes with repressed urges (ala Jeff Gannon)!
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Better go read the Declaration once again. The belief in God and accountability to Him and his teachings, the freedom to express religion and the sancitity of life are how the Foundational documents of this country are based. That is social conservatism, and its hallmark is morality.
Therefore could you please provide the quotes from the Declaration, about homosexuality, abortion, marriage, drugs, dancing, or showing ankles ?
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Therefore could you please provide the quotes from the Declaration, about homosexuality, abortion, marriage, drugs, dancing, or showing ankles ?
Ahhhh...you just ain't got no principles.... ^-^
Just ask #NeverTrump, they'll tell you straight up.
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If there is one issue that could boost Trump's campaign, this is it. Hillary promises to bring more and more of this ideology into the country with its predictable results. What we have been seeing in this country in the last several years with the rise of Jihad is just a prelude to what we can expect in the future if we don't change many aspects of our immigration policies. What is happening in Europe, IMO, is now irreversible without violence
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Therefore could you please provide the quotes from the Declaration, about homosexuality, abortion, marriage, drugs, dancing, or showing ankles ?
The Founding Fathers as well as the Framers had at the very least a belief in a "Higher Power".
A belief in God means a belief in the teachings of the Bible. And the Bible is very clear about most of what you ask about.
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So, I guess there's another "ongoing investigation"?
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He donated big bucks to Rahm Emmanuel and got mega-tax breaks almost equal to the value of the building.... taxpayers will pick up the tab of course
Same in NYC where his main building has about a $160 million tax abatement.
Other small and medium businesses do not get deals like this.
That's not what I would call a tax break. In my book that's called a bribe.
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SOURCE: USA TODAY
URL: http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2016/06/12/who-omar-mateen/85791280/ (http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2016/06/12/who-omar-mateen/85791280/)
by: Anthony Westbury, Nicole Rodriguez, Elliot Jones
EXCERPT ONLY
A former Fort Pierce police officer who once worked with 29-year-old Omar Mateen, the assailant in an Orlando nightclub shooting that left at least 50 dead, said he was "unhinged and unstable."
Daniel Gilroy said he worked the 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. shift with G4S Security at the south gate at PGA Village for several months in 2014-15. Mateen took over from him for a 3 to 11 p.m. shift.
Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce police officer, said Mateen frequently made homophobic and racial comments. Gilroy said he complained to his employer several times but it did nothing because he was Muslim. Gilroy quit after he said Mateen began stalking him via multiple text messages — 20 or 30 a day. He also sent Gilroy 13 to 15 phone messages a day, he said.
"I quit because everything he said was toxic," Gilroy said Sunday, "and the company wouldn't do anything. This guy was unhinged and unstable. He talked of killing people."
Gilroy said this shooting didn't come as a surprise to him.
CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST....
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Political Correctness is the kid brother of Multi culturalism.
And both are killing any nation that chooses to adopt them
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And yet the FBI cleared him in background checks and allowed him to purchase weapons last week.
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Well the obvious solution here is to further restrict firearms ownership.
Thanks Uncle Sam, for keeping us safe!
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SOURCE: REUTERS
URL: http://in.reuters.com/article/florida-shooting-isis-idINKCN0YZ0WV (http://in.reuters.com/article/florida-shooting-isis-idINKCN0YZ0WV)
by: Omar Fahmy; Writing by Asma Alsharif; Editing by Catherine Evans
Islamic State claimed responsibility on Monday for the shooting that killed at least 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando Florida, in an official broadcast on the group's Albayan Radio.
"One of the Caliphate's soldiers in America carried out a security invasion where he was able to enter a crusader gathering at a nightclub for homosexuals in Orlando, Florida ... where he killed and injured more than a hundred of them before he was killed," the group said in its broadcast.
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MORE HERE: http://www.businessinsider.com/omar-mateen-saudi-uae-umrah-2016-6 (http://www.businessinsider.com/omar-mateen-saudi-uae-umrah-2016-6)
EXCERPT:
The Orlando nightclub gunman made two trips to Saudi Arabia between 2011 and 2012 for the Muslim religious pilgrimage known as Umrah, NBC reported Monday.
A US official told CNN's Jim Sciutto that the gunman also traveled to the United Arab Emirates around that time.
"Orlando shooter traveled to Saudi Arabia and UAE in 2011-12, US official tells me," Sciutto tweeted. " Saudi Arabia interior ministry adds that he went for the Umrah, the lesser religious pilgrimage that can take place any time of year."
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If there is one issue that could boost Trump's campaign, this is it. Hillary promises to bring more and more of this ideology into the country with its predictable results.
Perhaps, though I have my doubts. Remember that the media no longer report news: they create and maintain a narrative.
You can already see the two or three narratives being spun here: The first is that it's an anti-LGBT thing, with the ISIS link being downplayed (which supports Hillary); and, "Trump's again showing his irresponsible mouth" (which again helps Hillary).
There's also the old standby, that it's a gun control thing (which again supports Hillary).
The ISIS link isn't exactly missing in the news, of course, but if you look at the headlines and social-media narratives that's not the main point, or even a secondary one.
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Perhaps, though I have my doubts. Remember that the media no longer report news: they create and maintain a narrative.
You can already see the two or three narratives being spun here: The first is that it's an anti-LGBT thing, with the ISIS link being downplayed (which supports Hillary); and, "Trump's again showing his irresponsible mouth" (which again helps Hillary).
There's also the old standby, that it's a gun control thing (which again supports Hillary).
The ISIS link isn't exactly missing in the news, of course, but if you look at the headlines and social-media narratives that's not the main point, or even a secondary one.
Islamic State claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub shooting - Albayan radio
http://in.reuters.com/article/florida-shooting-isis-idINKCN0YZ0WV (http://in.reuters.com/article/florida-shooting-isis-idINKCN0YZ0WV)
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When ISIS claims responsibility....it's settled.
ISIS: Obama's Legacy.
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CAIR Responds To Pulse Massacre By Ejecting Reporter From Press Conference
http://www.alipac.us/f12/cair-responds-pulse-massacre-ejecting-reporter-press-conference-333616/
by NEIL MUNRO
12 Jun 2016
The most prominent advocacy group for orthodox radical Islam in the United States threatened Friday to have a Breitbart reporter arrested if he did not leave its soon-to-start public press conference about the bloody Pulse massacre of at least 50 gay Americans by an American Muslim.
Breitbart had gone to CAIR’s Pulse press conference to ask what steps Islamic groups are taking to distance American Muslims from orthodox Islamic scripture which frequently and clearly urge the expulsion, humiliation and the murder of homosexuals.
The press conference was to be held Friday at 5 pm by the Council for American-Islamic Relations at their Capitol Hill headquarters.
CAIR has been declared a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates and was named by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding operation.
But before the event began, CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper told the Breitbart reporter to leave. When the Breitbart reporter asked for an explanation, Hooper told an aide to “Call the police.”
“We have a person in our building that we asked to leave, and they’re not leaving,” the deputy said into his phone.
Breitbart respects property rights, and left without bother.
The ejection is not a surprise. This is the second time this reporter has been kept out of a CAIR press conference, and the second time he has been told to leave CAIR’s headquarters.
Breitbart has frequently noted that the CAIR group is so closely entwined with Islamists and with jihadis that court documents and news reports show that at least five of its people — either board members, employees or former employees — have been jailed or repatriated for various financial and terror-related offenses.
Breitbart has also published evidence highlighted by critics showing that CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in a Texas-based criminal effort to deliver $12 million to the Jew-hating HAMAS jihad group, that CAIR was founded with $490,000 from HAMAS, and that the FBI bans top-level meetings with CAIR officials. “The FBI policy restricting a formal relationship with CAIR remains … [but] does not preclude communication regarding investigative activity or allegations of civil rights violations,” said an Oct. 2015 email from FBI spokesman Christopher Allen.
In 2009, a federal judge concluded that “the government has produced ample evidence to establish the associations of CAIR… with Hamas.”
The Pulse massacre garishly highlighted Islam’s routine contempt for no-Muslim groups — and tore open a 2016 hole in the Democrats’ effort to expand their ideologically incoherent alliance of elite progressives, insistently libertarian gays and clannish Muslim leadership groups. In February, for example, President Barack Obama conducted some progressive outreach to Muslims groups by visiting an orthodox mosque in Baltimore where he met with a Islamic preacher who says status for gays is incompatible with Islam.
While progressives demand that the state should impose sweeping changes on civic society to forcefully raise the social status of gays, and even of children who claim to be transgender, Islam simply demands contempt, punishment and even death towards anyone who engages in gay sex.
For example, orthodox Muslims believe the Koran is a perfect transcription of a divine and unchangeable book of commandments from Allah. In Verse 80 of Book 7, for example, Allah declares that “For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds … [In Sodom and Gomorrah] we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!”
Orthodox Muslims also say the reputed founder of Islam, Muhammad, was perfect and should be emulated by all Muslims. His statements are written up as the Hadiths, where he is shown as urging the death of homosexuals. For example, a collection of sayings by Abu Dawud records one tale “Narrated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.”
Here’s a debate between a gay Muslim and an orthodox Islamic cleric.
In contrast, Catholics officially abhor homosexuality as a waste of God-given potential, but also postpone divine judgement to the hereafter because of their 2,000 year-old doctrine separating church and state. On Earth, “the Church seeks to enable every person to live out the universal call to holiness. Persons with a homosexual inclination ought to receive every aid and encouragement to embrace this call personally and fully. This will unavoidably involve much struggle and self-mastery, for following Jesus always means following the way of the Cross,” says the Catholic Church.
On Sunday, after the massacre of 50 gays by a Muslim — also a registered Democrat — the political groups that claim to lead Muslims in America rushed into action.
For example, the top religious organization for Muslims living in the United States, the Fiqh Council of North America, issued a press release condemning the massacre. The press release, which was titled, “religious extremism,” tried to minimize the role of Islam;
The Fiqh Council of North America issues unqualified condemnation of the barbaric acts of Orlando shooter who senselessly killed and injured scores of innocent people. The heinous crimes of this mentally unstable person are absolutely against the teachings and values of Islam. The Holy Qur’an equates killing of one innocent soul with the killing of all humanity. There is no justification whatsoever in the Qur’an for violence against any group regardless of religion, color, creed or sexual orientation. Almighty God has dignified all human beings due to their common origin regardless of their religious, ethnic or sexual orientation.
But a press release has no standing under Islamic law.
“Traditionalist Muslims know that this is intended to deceive unbelievers, and [they] don’t take it seriously,” said Robert Spencer, an expert on Islam who runs the JihadWatch website. Traditionalist Muslims “know that the claim that ‘There is no justification whatsoever in the Qur’an for violence against any group regardless of religion, color, creed or sexual orientation’ is absolutely risible, and contradicted by numerous Qur’an verses (including 2:191, 4:89, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4, etc.),” Spencer said in a statement to Breitbart News.
But “if the Fiqh Council did [write a fatwa recognizing the equal status of gays], it would be denounced as engaging in bid’a — innovation — and threatened by other Muslims … [because] if Muhammad said x and a Muslim says not-x now, then yes, the punishment is death,” Spencer said.
On Sunday night, the Fiqh Council’s website did not provide an email address for further inquiries.
In contrast, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee — which seems to have close ties to Obama’s deputies — actually referred to the reality that the 50 dead were mostly gays and lesbians, although it did also claim that Islam endorses at least some categories of “civil rights.”
MPAC and many other American Muslim groups around the country have strong ties with LGBTQ communities and groups, and have worked together to oppose hate, intolerance, and bullying which impacts both of our communities.
As we all grapple with this senseless tragedy and we learn more about the motives and facts of the case, we will be reaching out to LGBTQ communities with condolences and solidarity. As President Obama said at his press conference this afternoon, let us stand together in our grief and outrage, and our solidarity with the victims and their families.
As Muslims, we believe in religious freedom, civil rights, and human rights. We reject violence, hatred, and discrimination toward anyone on the basis of race, gender, disability, religion, sexual orientation, or national origin. We support civil rights for all people. May God guide us all as we strive in His cause.”
The Miami Herald printed a vague quote-free report on the CAIR press conference at 5.20 pm, shortly after the Breitbart reporter was ejected.
American Muslim leaders are condemning the attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando that killed 50 people and wounded more than 50 others.
Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called the killings a hate crime and said the group has no tolerance for extremism of any kind.
A law enforcement official has said the gunman, Omar Mateen, called 911 from the nightclub and expressed allegiance to an Islamic State leader.
Awad says members of the LGBT community have stood with Muslims in the past and today they stand that community.
Awad has a long history of pro-HAMAS statements, according to critics. CAIR has posted its defense online.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ulse-massacre/
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Islamic State claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub shooting - Albayan radio
When ISIS claims responsibility....it's settled.
ISIS: Obama's Legacy.
Yes, but we're talking about narrative here. The media most people are looking at, are pushing this as an anti-gay thing (which it is, actually). "Oh, the Tony Awards" this, and so on.
To dig to any depths about the Jihadists involved would not serve the narrative.
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Perhaps, though I have my doubts. Remember that the media no longer report news: they create and maintain a narrative.
You can already see the two or three narratives being spun here: The first is that it's an anti-LGBT thing, with the ISIS link being downplayed (which supports Hillary); and, "Trump's again showing his irresponsible mouth" (which again helps Hillary).
There's also the old standby, that it's a gun control thing (which again supports Hillary).
The ISIS link isn't exactly missing in the news, of course, but if you look at the headlines and social-media narratives that's not the main point, or even a secondary one.
True. But the narrative really only plays to Liberals and colleges etc. There is nothing the media can shove down the throat of America, even though they will try, that will convince middle America that this was anything other than ISIS/Islamic inspired terrorism.
He just happened to pick the place that pissed him off the most. If he had been more antisemitic than anti-gay, he would have shot up a synagogue. If he had been pissed at his boss or his coworkers, he would have shot them, and on and on like that. My experience is that Muslims do not really care much about who they are killing, even if it is fellow Muslims. It makes little difference to them.
My experience in the M.E. has taught me through grim experience, that Muslims, especially Muslims with weapons, are very unpredictable. They can be your best friend one minute, offering you tea and bread, and then shooting at you the next minute. Just ask the people in San Bernardino about that.
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Perhaps, though I have my doubts. Remember that the media no longer report news: they create and maintain a narrative.
You can already see the two or three narratives being spun here: The first is that it's an anti-LGBT thing, with the ISIS link being downplayed (which supports Hillary); and, "Trump's again showing his irresponsible mouth" (which again helps Hillary).
There's also the old standby, that it's a gun control thing (which again supports Hillary).
The ISIS link isn't exactly missing in the news, of course, but if you look at the headlines and social-media narratives that's not the main point, or even a secondary one.
The media can spin all they want but let's not forget that the media does not control the narrative like they once did. Trust in the news media is at an all time low. And people can and do seek alternative sources of news outside the Dinosaur Media
I also don't believe turning this into a gun control issue will help Hillary. Pushing gun control while at the same time promising to bring more Islam to America isn't going to be a winning issue
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SOURCE: ZERO HEDGE
URL: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi)
In a surprising discovery, the Palm Beach Post first reported that according to state records, Orlando shooter Omar Mateen - who as we reported earlier was licensed as a security guard and also holds a firearms license - was employed by the US subsidiary of G4S plc, a British multinational security services company, whose US-headquarters are located in Jupiter, Fla, and which also happens to be the world's largest security company by revenue.
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Shortly thereafter, G4S confirmed that Omar Mateen has worked for the company since 2007. This is the statement released from G4S:
“We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred at the Orlando nightclub. We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends, families and people affected by this unspeakable tragedy.”
In other words, Mateen who according to preliminary reports, had been on a terrorist watchlist, and who still managed to obtain weapons thanks to his various licenses and permits just last week, was employed by one of the world's largest security companies, where he may have had extensive clearances well above his pay grade, not to mention access to sophisticated military weapons and equipment.
But where it gets more disturbing is that as Judicial Watch reported several days ago, in a post titled, "DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads Of Illegal Aliens Away From Border", border patrol sources said that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was quietly transporting illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to Phoenix and releasing them without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents. As a reminder, the government classifies them as Other Than Mexican (OTM) and this week around 35 were transferred 116 miles north from Tucson to a Phoenix bus station where they went their separate way. Judicial Watch was present when one of the white vans carrying a group of OTMs arrived at the Phoenix Greyhound station on Buckeye Road.
And this is where the Mateen-G4S link emerges: as JW reported previously, a security company contracted by the U.S. government is driving the OTMs from the Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector where they were in custody to Phoenix, sources said. The firm is the abovementioned G4S, the world’s leading security solutions group with operations in more than 100 countries and 610,000 employees. G4S has more than 50,000 employees in the U.S. and its domestic headquarters is in Jupiter, Florida.
Judicial Watch noted that it had filed a number of public records requests to get more information involving the arrangement between G4S and the government, specifically the transport of illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to other parts of the country. The photo below shows the uniformed G4S guard that transported the OTMs this week from Tucson to Phoenix.
Outraged Border Patrol agents and supervisors on the front lines say illegal immigrants are being released in droves because there’s no room to keep them in detention. “They’re telling us to put them on a bus and let them go,” said one law enforcement official in Arizona. “Just move those bodies across the country.” Officially, DHS denies this is occurring and in fact earlier this year U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske blasted Border Patrol union officials for denouncing this dangerous catch-and-release policy.
Kerlikowske’s scolding came in response to the congressional testimony of Bandon Judd, chief of the National Border Patrol Council, the labor union that represents line agents. Judd told lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee that illegal immigrants without serious criminal convictions can be released immediately and disappear into the shadows. Kerlikowske shot back, telling a separate congressional committee: “I would not stand by if the Border Patrol was — releasing people without going through all of the formalities.
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The media can spin all they want but let's not forget that the media does not control the narrative like they once did. Trust in the news media is at an all time low. And people can and do seek alternative sources of news outside the Dinosaur Media
Nevertheless, if you look at the coverage you can see my point. The media and the Democrats are working together to create the "anti-gay attack" narrative. Obama was explicit about it. And don't forget that most people's idea of "news" is governed by the headlines they see on website sidebars. They've already broken out the "rainbow heart" thing for people to put over their Facebook avatars.
I also don't believe turning this into a gun control issue will help Hillary. Pushing gun control while at the same time promising to bring more Islam to America isn't going to be a winning issue
You're projecting here. The buzzards have already jumped on the gun control bandwagon again, so that's in full cry. They're trying to push that narrative, too. Probably they won't change too many minds, but they may well shore up some of Hillary's lagging support among Bernie supporters.
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We have to shut these guys down, once and for all.
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Orlando terrorist pictured with his wife and son: Dead ISIS fanatic was a devout Muslim on his second marriage who talked about killing all the time and openly hated homosexuals
A gay, high school classmate who knew Omar Mateen before 2009 said he was friendly and showed no signs of being 'anti-gay'
But Mateen's father said he became enraged after seeing two men kissing
Mateen worked at GNC after high school and spent much of his time working out, while ex-wife Sitora Yusufiy said he had history using steroids
Yusufiy said Mateen was unstable and physically abusive - the two married in 2009 and officially divorced in 2011
Noor Zahi Salman was listed as his wife in 2013 mortgage, sources report
They had son together, but Salman has been living at new address
Head of Mateen's mosque in Florida said he was quiet, visited frequently with his son, and rarely interacted with other members of congregation
Former coworker said Mateen frequently talked about killing people and used racial, ethnic and sexual slurs
See more news on the Orlando shooting and gunman Omar Mateen
By Matt Hunter and Jessica Chia For Dailymail.com and Martin Gould In St. Lucie, Florida, For Dailymail.com and Jose Lambiet In Port St. Lucie, Florida For Dailymail.com
Published: 23:31 EST, 12 June 2016 | Updated: 09:01 EST, 13 June 2016
Omar Mateen transformed from a friendly high school football player to a quiet father who carried out America's deadliest mass shooting, leaving old friends and family members in shock.
Mateen, who worked as a security guard, walked into a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, with a handgun and AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, killing 50 people on Sunday before police stormed the club and fatally shot him.
A gay, high school classmate who knew Mateen before 2009 said the 29-year-old regularly interacted with him and his other gay co-workers and 'treated us all like the individuals we were.'
But the terrorist's father said his son had recently become infuriated at the sight of two men kissing, while others said he was an 'agitated' and 'aggressive' bodybuilder.
Mateen's first wife claimed he was mentally ill and physically abusive, while a coworker said: 'He talked about killing people all the time. I wasn't shocked. I saw it coming.'
He had worked for G4S since 2007, the world's largest security company, which provides guards for US nuclear facilities.
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Mateen's ex-wife said he was unstable and physically abusive. He had a son with another woman, Noor Zahi Salman (left), who was listed as his wife on a 2013 mortgage and appears to have left him
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Mateen's ex-wife said he was unstable and physically abusive. He had a son with another woman, Noor Zahi Salman (left), who was listed as his wife on a 2013 mortgage and appears to have left him
The photo from Omar Mateen's high-school yearbook shows the terrorist as an unsuspecting teenager
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He carried out the deadliest mass shooting in American history at a gay club in Orlando on Sunday
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The photo from Omar Mateen's high-school yearbook shows the terrorist as an unsuspecting teenager (left). He carried out the deadliest mass shooting in American history at a gay club in Orlando on Sunday
Federal and local law enforcement remove evidence from two Treasure Coast homes that are linked to Orlando nightclub shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen
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Federal and local law enforcement remove evidence from two Treasure Coast homes that are linked to Orlando nightclub shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen
Mateen's name was registered at two homes in Orlando which police raided on Sunday for evidence as their investigation continues
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Mateen's name was registered at two homes in Orlando which police raided on Sunday for evidence as their investigation continues
Mateen worked as a security guard for G4S where employees said he 'frequently' made racist and homophobic comments
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Mateen worked as a security guard for G4S where employees said he 'frequently' made racist and homophobic comments
COLLEAGUES COMPLAINED ABOUT MATEEN'S 'FREQUENT' RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC COMMENTS AND SAID HE WAS 'UNHINGED'
Mateen led what many would consider a normal life: he was married, had a child and worked as a security guard.
But he was really an 'unhinged' extremist who regularly made homophobic and racist remarks at work.
That's the account of former police officer Daniel Gilroy who worked alongside Mateen, 29, for security firm G4S.
Gilroy said he complained to bosses but they did nothing because of Mateen's Muslim faith.
'I quit because everything he said was toxic,' Gilroy told Florida Today.
'...and the company wouldn't do anything. This guy was unhinged and unstable. He talked of killing people.'
Gilroy said Mateen would take over from him on shift at PGA Village between 2014-15.
Mateen began stalking him, sent up to 30 messages and made around 15 calls to him a day, Gilroy added.
Mateen was connected to two homes in Port St Lucie, Florida - at 519 SW Bayshore Boulevard and 937 SW Bayshore Boulervard
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Mateen was connected to two homes in Port St Lucie, Florida - at 519 SW Bayshore Boulevard and 937 SW Bayshore Boulervard
Mateen had a son with Noor Zahi Salman, and the two lived at the same St Lucie County address in 2012, according to records seen by DailyMail.com.
Salman was listed as his wife on a September 2013 mortgage filed in the county, according to Buzzfeed, after Mateen divorced his first wife, Sitora Yusufiy, in 2011.
But it is unclear whether Mateen and Salman are still together, since she has been living at a different address.
Born in New York to Afghan parents, Mateen and his family moved to Florida when he was a child.
He graduated from Martin County High School in 2004 and 'got really buff' while he worked at the nutrition store GNC at a local mall, according to his classmate Samuel King, who was a year older.
King said: 'What is shocking to me is that the majority of the staff at Ruby Tuesday's when I worked there were gay.
'He clearly was not anti-[gay], at least not back then. He did not show any hatred to any of us. He treated us all like the individuals we were. He always smiled and said hello.'
King, who characterized Mateen as friendly and talkative, said: 'Something must have changed.'
Mateen, who was born in New York and grew up in Florida, earned an associate's degree in criminal justice before becoming a security officer (pictured, the scene outside Pulse in Orlando on Sunday morning)
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Mateen, who was born in New York and grew up in Florida, earned an associate's degree in criminal justice before becoming a security officer (pictured, the scene outside Pulse in Orlando on Sunday morning)
An openly gay, high school classmate Samuel King said Mateen was talkative and friendly to him and his gay coworkers when he knew him before 2009 (pictured, an aerial view of Pulse)
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An openly gay, high school classmate Samuel King said Mateen was talkative and friendly to him and his gay coworkers when he knew him before 2009 (pictured, an aerial view of Pulse)
MATEEN WAS 'DISTRESSED' WHEN HE BOUGHT ST LUCIE PROPERTY IN 2013
Further details about Mateen's property arrangements have come to light.
Police officers have removed evidence from 519 and 937 south-west Bayshore Boulevard, St Lucie.
The four and three-bed homes are a four minute drive between each other.
Mateen was said to be in a 'distressed' state when he bought number 937 for $95,000 in September 2013. Today it is thought to be worth about $190,000.
The Palm Beach Post reported that he took out a $76,000 loan to finance the home. It was advertised as a 'spacious pool home' which needs 'a little TLC'.
The second home at 519 was bought for $160,000 in 2010, having been built two years earlier.
His father Mir Seddique, also known as Seddique Mateen, has his company The Durand Jirga, registered at 519.
It has 10 rooms and is built over two stories and is worth about $250,000.
Mateen went on to earn an associate's degree in criminal justice from Indian River State College in Fort Pierce, and expressed interest in joining the police force.
Instead, he worked as a security officer, a fact that comforted other members of the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce where he worshipped, Syed Shafeeq Rahman, the head of he mosque, said.
'He hardly had any friends. He would come with his little son at night to pray and after he would leave.'
Rahman told the NY Times: 'There is nothing that he is hearing from me to do killing, to do bloodshed, to do anything, because we never talk like that.'
The Islamic center also released a statement condemning the 'monstrous' attack that read: 'The Muslim community of Fort Pierce joins our fellow Americans in repudiating anyone or any group that would claim to justify or excuse such an appalling act of violence.'
The terrorist's father Seddique Mir Mateen also denied that the attack had anything to do with religion, and said his son had become enraged after seeing two men kissing in Miami months before.
While the father said he was 'in shock like the whole country,' the terrorist's former coworker, Daniel Gilroy, told the Times: 'He talked about killing people all the time.'
Gilroy said he made several complaints to G4S, the company where they both worked, because Mateen frequently used racial, ethnic and sexual slurs and sent him a barrage of 20 to 30 text message a day.
'He was always shaken, always agitated and always mad,' Gilroy added.
Sitora Yusufiy, Omar Mateen's first wife, described how he 'seemed like a normal human being' at first. The two met online and married in 2009 after a brief romance
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Sitora Yusufiy, Omar Mateen's first wife, described how he 'seemed like a normal human being' at first. The two met online and married in 2009 after a brief romance
‘After a few months he started to beat me,’ she said. ‘He was mentally unstable… he was obviously disturbed. I know he had a history of [taking] steroids'
Her parents eventually intervened and the two separated, although their divorce wasn't finalized until 2011.
‘After a few months he started to beat me,’ she said. ‘He was mentally unstable… he was obviously disturbed. I know he had a history of [taking] steroids'
Sitora Yusufiy, Omar Mateen's first wife, described how he 'seemed like a normal human being' at first.
Following a brief romance after the two met online, the pair married in 2009 and moved into a two-bedroom home owned by Mateen’s family in Fort Pierce.
‘After a few months he started to beat me,’ she said. ‘He was mentally unstable… he was obviously disturbed. I know he had a history of [taking] steroids.
'He was not a stable person. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.'
Yusufiy said that Mateen owned a gun during their marriage, was ‘short tempered’ and would express ‘hate towards things’. She would not reveal if he had any homophobic views.
Her parents eventually intervened and the two separated, although their divorce wasn't finalized until 2011.
People around the country have gathered, mourning the 50 people who have been killed in the deadliest mass shooting in American history. Pictured, a candlelight memorial in Seattle on Sunday
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People around the country have gathered, mourning the 50 people who have been killed in the deadliest mass shooting in American history. Pictured, a candlelight memorial in Seattle on Sunday
After spending most of the day searching Omar Mateen’s Port St. Lucie home, cops and the FBI moved on to the custom-built four-bedroom home a couple of blocks of north on Bayshore Boulevard where his parents live.
Neighbor, Tony Schneider, a retired deputy sheriff told Daily Mail Online that Seddique and Shahla Mateen are ‘the nicest people in the world.’
‘They are very Americanized, he said. ‘Just very good neighbors. I have known them for six years and have never had any problems with them.
Mateen had been living in a condo rental apartment in Fort Pierce for the past nine months. Investigators sealed off the apartment and brought in bomb testing equipment.
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Mateen had been living in a condo rental apartment in Fort Pierce for the past nine months. Investigators sealed off the apartment and brought in bomb testing equipment.
‘My heart goes out to them — of course if they were involved they can rot in hell, but I otherwise I feel so sorry for them.’
Schneider said that Seddique — who he knows as Sid — can often be seen in his yard and walking up and down the street. He said he did not know his wife nearly as well.
‘I believe he is in insurance, he has done well for himself and they have three daughters, all went to college, who I believe are in the medical field.
‘But I didn’t know the son. I saw his picture on television this morning and I recognized him, but he only came here rarely.’
Mateen had moved out of the family home nine months ago around the same time he 'wuick deeded' the apartment to a man believed to be a family friend for $100.
He moved into to a condo apartment rental in Fort Pierce. Investigators sealed off the apartment and brought in bomb testing equipment.
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Great graphic.
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Of course....look at all those Christians going around slaughtering people in the name of Christ. /s
There is truth in humor.
There is nothing in the Christian Scriptures that tells Christians to go kill non-believers. The same holds true for Judaism. It is the koran that tells it's followers they are commanded to go kill non-believers. Not all religions are the same.
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Obama is beyond soft! We need to take them down.
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Regardless of whatever is brought into the mix of the Orlando shooting and there's plenty coming out giving opinions and attempting to frame this event...The facts and evidence are what they are.....
....The Killer was an Islamic terrorist with now proven ties to Islamic terrorist groups.... He called 911 and professed his allegiance to ISIS leadership.....This was 'ALL' about a Muslim who pledged his allegience bot Isis and Islam..... a religion that accepts, condones and encourages this type of behavior against those who will not conform to their ideologies.
....This was not an anti gay act, this was an anti American act of which Islamic leaders 'have declared openly' war against this nation throughout the Mosques by their Imams and many of their leaders throughout the Middle EAst.....it was a blatant attack against our nation by believers of a political ideology masquerading as a religion.
There are many violent extremists who will wage jihad against anyone, anywhere and at any time to achieve their goal of converting the world to Islam...be it by Stealth Jihad and Violent Jihad....and has done so for centuries. Gun laws and reaching out to Muslims will never change it's core agenda and trajectory for this nation and the world. They must do so themselves which they cannot because the Koran itself prevents so.
We know the problem is Islamic teachings and those that teach, instruct and follow it. ...The Muslim community brought out an Imam to speak at one of the press conferences following this attack,.. but failed greatly for NOT stating the Muslim community stands with America in it's fight against Radical Islam....rather simply condemned the attack....All of the significant Muslim organizations in the Nation will condemn the attacks while they work deligently supporting the idea of the US becoming an Islamic state based on Islamic Sharia Law....
Militant Islam is simply the Military arm of Islam. .....
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Therefore could you please provide the quotes from the Declaration, about homosexuality, abortion, marriage, drugs, dancing, or showing ankles ?
"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
The rest of the words are contained in the Bible, written by the Supreme Judge of the world, upon which these quotes reside.
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Regardless of whatever is brought into the mix of the Orlando shooting and there's plenty coming out giving opinions and attempting to frame this event...The facts and evidence are what they are.....
....The Killer was an Islamic terrorist with now proven ties to Islamic terrorist groups.... He called 911 and professed his allegiance to ISIS leadership.....This was 'ALL' about a Muslim who pledged his allegience bot Isis and Islam..... a religion that accepts, condones and encourages this type of behavior against those who will not conform to their ideologies.
....This was not an anti gay act, this was an anti American act of which Islamic leaders 'have declared openly' war against this nation throughout the Mosques by their Imams and many of their leaders throughout the Middle EAst.....it was a blatant attack against our nation by believers of a political ideology masquerading as a religion.
There are many violent extremists who will wage jihad against anyone, anywhere and at any time to achieve their goal of converting the world to Islam...be it by Stealth Jihad and Violent Jihad....and has done so for centuries. Gun laws and reaching out to Muslims will never change it's core agenda and trajectory for this nation and the world. They must do so themselves which they cannot because the Koran itself prevents so.
We know the problem is Islamic teachings and those that teach, instruct and follow it. ...The Muslim community brought out an Imam to speak at one of the press conferences following this attack,.. but failed greatly for NOT stating the Muslim community stands with America in it's fight against Radical Islam....rather simply condemned the attack....All of the significant Muslim organizations in the Nation will condemn the attacks while they work deligently supporting the idea of the US becoming an Islamic state based on Islamic Sharia Law....
Militant Islam is simply the Military arm of Islam. .....
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My experience is that Muslims do not really care much about who they are killing, even if it is fellow Muslims. It makes little difference to them...............My experience in the M.E. has taught me through grim experience, that Muslims, especially Muslims with weapons, are very unpredictable. They can be your best friend one minute, offering you tea and bread, and then shooting at you the next minute. Just ask the people in San Bernardino about that.
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That's right.....because in Islam it's perfectly acceptable to hold completely opposite thoughts at the same time. .....Islam is twisted itself, just as the Koran is, so it's no surprise Muslims can and do role play in whatever venue or social arena or spotlight they find themselves. They have spent lifetimes in their country dodging being arrested or killed for any infraction or appearance of breaking Islamic rules. It is how the leadership controls the populations.
With this comes many mental health issues for most. We see this in the refugees arriving throughout Europe and here in the states. Over all they are not a stable culture by any sense of the word. Much like woman who have been abused for a life time and bare the mental issues, but worse because it's all in the name of a false religion which permits and encourages beatings and killings in the name of that religion...Which is why it's considered a death 'cult'. Not to mention their laws on "honor" which are stretched to the extreme.
You can not bring a culture such as this into western nations and expect more than what they are. For them adapting to this country is "tramatic" itself. Which is why there are so many Muslim Community centers to keep them in line with Islamic teachings as they come here. They give no room for most to adapt to Western Culture....and most aren't here to adapt but to be a part of Immigration Jihad...one of the tenants in the Islamic Agenda.
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This was not an anti-gay hate crime if this story is true, it was just a target of opportunity
http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks
The gunman behind the Orlando nightclub shootings, the deadliest mass shooting in American history, recently scouted Walt Disney World as a potential target, a federal law enforcement source tells PEOPLE.
He had narrowed down his targets to PULSE and Disney World.
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This was not an anti-gay hate crime if this story is true, it was just a target of opportunity
http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks
He had narrowed down his targets to PULSE and Disney World.
The House of Mouse had better security.
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Apparently it wasn't an anti-gay crime at all, just an easier target than the magical kingdom
http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks
The gunman behind the Orlando nightclub shootings, the deadliest mass shooting in American history, recently scouted Walt Disney World as a potential target, a federal law enforcement source tells PEOPLE.
Omar Mateen and his wife, Noor Zahi Salman, visited Walt Disney World in April, the source says. Salman told federal authorities on Sunday that her husband had more recently been "scouting Downtown Disney and Pulse [nightclub] for attacks."
Unlike the four Disney World theme parks, Downtown Disney, which was recently renamed Disney Springs, doesn't have security and bag check before entry.
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This was not an anti-gay hate crime if this story is true, it was just a target of opportunity
http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks
He had narrowed down his targets to PULSE and Disney World.
So am I to understand that the wife knew back in April that he was planning an attack? That makes her what?
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The House of Mouse had better security.
downtown's Disney Springs has no security bag check.... although they probably will now
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The House of Mouse had better security.
I can tell you, if someone wanted to do some damage at Disney it would not be that hard unless they have changed the way they screen people. March was the last time we were there. Only people with bags go through screening. Concealed carry in some baggy clothes with a few extra mags, someone could take out a lot of people very quickly.
Separate from that, when I saw the muslim, I assume woman but who could tell for sure, in full head to toe burka with only the eyes exposed I wondered how well s/he had been screened before being allowed in. Hubby and I made note and thought it prudent to head off in another direction.
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Interesting. I thought the wife had not seen him in three years?
Also noted this in the article. People Magazine should really check their article prior to publishing. Sig is probably a MCX with folding stock (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/foghorn/gun-review-sig-sauer-mcx/).
Mateen bought an an AR-15-style assault rifle, a Sig Sauer RMCX, on June 4 – just one week before the attack, the source says. He also had a Glock model 17 9mm and a Smith and Wesson .38 caliber revolver.
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And yet the FBI cleared him in background checks and allowed him to purchase weapons last week.
Obviously there need to be very significant changes, in how we screen and scrutinize, wouldn't you agree?
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SOURCE: DAILY BEAST
URL: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/drag-queen-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-was-my-friend.html#pq=rSJvYl (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/drag-queen-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-was-my-friend.html#pq=rSJvYl)
by: Katie Zavadski
EXCERPT ONLY, CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST
FORT PIERCE, Florida — Years before he shot up an Orlando gay club in what became the largest mass shooting in American history, Omar Mateen regularly picked up lunch from a drag queen at Ruby Tuesday. He may have even gone to see a drag show or two, a former high school classmate told The Daily Beast.
About 10 years ago, Mateen, a few years out of high school, was working at the supplement store GNC. Samuel King, a year ahead of him in high school, was working next door at the restaurant chain. Mateen was a few years out of playing football in high school while King, who is openly gay, had long, flowing extensions, and prettier hair than most of his female co-workers.
“He always had a smile on his face,” King told The Daily Beast on Sunday. “Maybe it’s because he was working in customer service.”
After seeing the trending news story about the Orlando shooting, King posted his disbelief on Facebook. “I can’t believe i knew this dude…. He worked at GNC at the treasure coast mall when i was at Ruby Tuesday’s and he Graduated from the same high school in 2004,” he wrote. “He was a jokester and at the time didn’t have an issue with the LGBT community.”
Mateen’s father told NBC News that Mateen “got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago” and that he “thought that might be related to the shooting.”
But King saw none of that homophobia. Quite the opposite: He said Mateen knew that he and many of his co-workers at Ruby Tuesday were gay, and didn’t seem to have a problem with it.
“That’s the thing that’s pinning me to the wall the most, that it was a gay nightclub,” King said. “Because he would come into the [the restaurant] and laugh with us.
“He might’ve even sat down at the bar and had a drink and laughed with the bartenders, knowing that they were lesbians,” King added.
These interactions shed new light on a man believed to be motivated by blind hatred for gay people. By the end of his rampage, Mateen had killed 49 people and wounded 53 others in the most deadly terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. During his attack on a sea of dancing young men, Mateen called 911 and pledged allegiance to the leader of ISIS, announcing himself as a terrorist and mentioning the Boston marathon attackers.
Yet if Mateen was a religious extremist, King didn’t know it, and the topic of religion never came up in conversations. Instead, the two men would greet each other on the street. King likely showed him, like the rest of the employees and regulars, photos in full costume from his performances.
“I can’t pinpoint a date that he went with us, but he probably gone there with us once,” he said.
EXCERPT ONLY, CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST
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Boy they really got lax since 9-11. I haven't been to the Orlando one for 10 or so years. Guess with the recession of '08 they didn't want to offend their muslim guests who had money.
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Obviously there need to be very significant changes, in how we screen and scrutinize, wouldn't you agree?
If he have been cleared by the FBI at least twice as well as additional backgrounds for his employment, then I don't know the answer other than the FBI clearly missed on his threats to co-workers and beating his ex-wife. As I understand it, Mateen also had a FL concealed weapons license for his S&W 38, and he purchased the Glock 17 (9MM) and the Sig MCX last week.
Per the WaPo:
He had twice come under investigation by the FBI — once for comments suggesting an affinity for Islamist groups, and a second time for vague connections to another Florida man who traveled to Syria to become a suicide bomber. Neither probe turned up evidence of wrongdoing, and Mateen had a blemish-free record when he applied for a Florida license to carry concealed weapons and again when he legally purchased two firearms, including an assault-style semiautomatic rifle, just a few days before the shootings.
Edited to include WaPo quote.
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I actually have one that looks like a rifle with a scope on it. I couldn't resist buying it.
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If 2% of Muslims are radical,
If 100 such refugees come in a day.
The math is pretty easy.
This 100 figure does not seem constant but some say that is what the average is right now.
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Mateen’s father told NBC News that Mateen “got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago” and that he “thought that might be related to the shooting.
This is a lie, I bet.
The fact that Mateen also checked out other possible targets like Disney World shows that it was not an anti-gay attack
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If 2% of Muslims are radical,
If 100 such refugees come in a day.
The math is pretty easy.
This 100 figure does not seem constant but some say that is what the average is right now.
So it would take 50 days to put 2 "lone wolf" types in each state with an agreed upon detonation day/week.
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This is a lie, I bet.
The fact that Mateen also checked out other possible targets like Disney World shows that it was not an anti-gay attack
Certainly. It's like the difference between premeditated murder and "heat of passion" manslaughter. This would/should have been a first degree murder charge had the perp not been killed.
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Therefore could you please provide the quotes from the Declaration, about homosexuality, abortion, marriage, drugs, dancing, or showing ankles ?
On abortion:
"and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among them LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (paraphrased)
And do I need to go through all of the marriage certificates of the Declaration signers to prove to you that homosexuality was not accepted?
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This is a lie, I bet.
The fact that Mateen also checked out other possible targets like Disney World shows that it was not an anti-gay attack
Not necessarily. The first week in June is Gay Pride week at Disney World.
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Florida Rejected Key Counterterrorism Legislation Ahead of Attack
Posted By Adam Kredo On June 13, 2016 @ 2:15 pm In National Security | No Comments
Florida lawmakers rejected a key piece of counterterrorism legislation earlier this year, prompting outrage from some defense experts who told the Washington Free Beacon that the victims of Sunday’s mass terror attack in Orlando could have used the measure to hold those who plotted the assault accountable.
On the heels of Sunday’s shooting, in which an attacker who pledged allegiance to the ISIS terror group killed 49 bystanders, marking the deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, some are criticizing Florida’s legislature for rejecting a counter-terrorism bill that would have paved the way for victims of these crimes to sue the organizers and sponsors in state court.
The legislation, known as Andy’s Law, has already passed in at least five states but was rejected earlier this year by Florida’s legislature despite gaining bipartisan support from state lawmakers.
Florida Republican House Speaker Steve Crisafulli killed the counter-terror the bill by preventing it from coming to a full vote in the State House.
The legislation could have empowered victims of Sunday’s attack to seek unprecedented recourse in state court by allowing them to file suit against the attackers and anyone identified as supporting the plot. Any suit would have fallen under statutes governed by state RICO laws.
The law would have boosted criminal penalties for terrorism and the support of terrorism. It also provides state-level legal recourse for terror victims who have experienced trouble pursuing their cases on a federal level.
While the Florida version of Andy’s Law overwhelmingly passed out of several committees in the state legislature, it failed to see final passage.
“Unfortunately, because Andy’s Law failed to pass in the Florida House of Representatives, victims of the Orlando Jihadist massacre, as well as their surviving family members, have been denied a powerful tool for seeking retribution against those individuals and organizations who may have supported or inspired Omar Mateen,” the alleged perpetrator of Sunday’s attack, said Christopher Holton, vice president for outreach at the Center for Security Policy.
Sunday’s attack is just the latest terror assault to take place in the Sunshine state.
Mateen is the second radical tied to a small mosque in Fort Pierce, according to reports.
The hijackers responsible for carrying out the 9/11 attacks attended flight school in Florida. The first American to carry out a suicide bombing in Syria, Moner-Mohammad Abu-Salha, grew up in Florida.
Holton, whose organization has advocated on behalf of Andy’s Law, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the legislation empowers terror victims in ways that the federal government has failed to do.
“It is needed on the state level because our bureaucratized counterterrorism apparatus on the federal level is routinely reluctant to bring terrorism charges in cases that are clearly terrorism,” Holton wrote. “The law also creates a civil cause of action empowering victims of terrorism to sue in state court those who provide material support and aid those who commit acts of terrorism. Andy’s Law has already passed into law in Louisiana, Arkansas, Kansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee.”
Holton said that powerful Muslim advocacy organizations have led the effort against the legislation.
“All of these well-funded groups and their allies are active in Florida,” he wrote. “They are the only known opponents of Andy’s Law. This raises serious questions about the political terrain in the Sunshine State, to say the least when a prominent Republican leader would unilaterally kill a popular counterterrorism measure opposed by nefarious elements of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
Update 3:45 p.m.: Following publication, Crisafulli told the Free Beacon in a statement that he should not be blamed for the bill’s failure to pass, blaming instead the heads of the relevant committees:
“As Speaker, I appointed members to committees and assigned chairs and vice chairs who set their agendas, but I did not use my authority to micromanage legislation,” Crisafulli said. “It was fairly easy for a hard working member to find success in the process. However, in the rare occasion when I was asked to be involved, it was because a bill sponsor or supporter enlisted my assistance. With respect to House Bill 3, I had no contact with Rep. Hill or any other members seeking assistance for a hearing.”
“Only now, months after the Session, am I hearing about the bill not passing,” Crisafulli continued. “The good news is, victims of terrorism can sue their attackers under federal law. No one will be prevented from seeking civil damages against terrorists. Thankfully, the perpetrator of this weekend’s cowardly terror attack in Orlando met the ultimate justice at the hands of our brave law enforcement officers. Let us continue to pray for the victims and families of this horrific attack and support our military as they work to wipe radical Islamic terrorism off the map.”
Article printed from Washington Free Beacon: http://freebeacon.com
URL to article: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/florida-rejected-key-counter-terrorism-legislation-ahead-attack/
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If he had shot up a bunch of little kids at Disney World, would it have been a hate crime? Seems to me all Islamic terror is about hate. When is murder love?
Bingo. All murder is a hate crime so why do we need a federal law to cover it?
States will handle all murderers just fine without the need for feds involvement.
After all, Obama could just forgive them as he is doing for so many felons and those known murderers in Guantanomo
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Obviously there need to be very significant changes, in how we screen and scrutinize, wouldn't you agree?
Depending on the same TSA that strip-searches little kids and grandmas and passes through suspicious people due to PC?
No thanks, I'll take my own chances and avoid that.
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Mateen was denied buying body armor but not the weapons; per Mark Levin.
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Mateen was denied buying body armor but not the weapons; per Mark Levin.
Who denied him the body armor but supplied the weapons? One source? Or several?
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Who denied him the body armor but supplied the weapons? One source? Or several?
Mark Levin said this, that's all I know. Sorry. Drudge report has up that Mateen used a gay op (drudgereport) and other stories indicate he had been to that club a dozen times. Looking like a real crackpot and likely or at least possibly personally conflicted about these sexual matters, sexual orientation.
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Mark Levin said this, that's all I know. Sorry. Drudge report has up that Mateen used a gay op (drudgereport) and other stories indicate he had been to that club a dozen times. Looking like a real crackpot and likely or at least possibly personally conflicted about these sexual matters, sexual orientation.
OK.......... I'll follow up by looking at what Mark said and where he got it.
If the guy is a true Islamist/ISIS type, he doesn't have to be a crackpot to hate homosexuals. It's part of his "religion."
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Orlando gunman had used gay dating app, visited nightclub, witnesses say
from The Los Angeles Times
By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Jenny Jarvie and Del Quentin Wilber
June 13, 2016
The gunman who attacked a Florida gay nightclub had attended the club before the attack and had used a gay dating and chat app, witnesses said.
Kevin West, a regular at Pulse nightclub, said Omar Mateen messaged him on and off for a year before the shooting using the gay chat and dating app Jack'd.
At least four regular customers of Pulse, the nightclub where the massacre took place, told the Orlando Sentinel on Monday that they believed they had seen Mateen there before. (One such customer) saw Mateen at the club at least a dozen times.
Also Monday, officials said Mateen appeared to have been radicalized by Islamic extremists on the internet but expressed sympathies with radical groups that violently oppose each other.
(excerpt)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/orlando-gunman-had-used-gay-dating-app-visited-nightclub-witnesses-say/ar-AAh0eVN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=AARDHP
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Just like the California couple murdered coworkers at a Christmas party, perhaps this guy just chose to murder people he was somewhat familiar with. Or not. It seems based on the friend's testimony and now news of the app use that it is a possibility. All that does is bring us BACK to the fact that he murdered because of Islamic terror ideology and for no other reasons. His victims were likely victims of convenience.
It also doesn't totally rule out that he was using "being gay" as taqiyya, basically a cover story to scout the gay bar as a potential attack point.
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It also doesn't totally rule out that he was using "being gay" as taqiyya, basically a cover story to scout the gay bar as a potential attack point.
It's scary that this could happen to many "soft targets", I don't even want to venture where but it could happen in a lot of places if not everywhere.
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Brooklyn native and mother of 11 died in Orlando nightclub attack.
BY
Ginger Adams Otis
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, June 13, 2016, 9:46 PM
A Brooklyn native and mother of 11 was among the 49 victims killed Sunday by an ISIS-inspired gunman.
Brenda Lee Marquez McCool, 49, a two-time cancer survivor and mother to 11 children, was killed in the Orlando bloodbath at Pulse — but her 21-year-old son, who was with her, survived.
The fun-loving mom and her son Isaiah Henderson, who is gay, were enjoying a night out at Pulse — something they often did together, friends said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brooklyn-native-mother-11-died-orlando-nightclub-attack-article-1.2672514
Words fail me.
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http://www.voanews.com/media/video/3374371.html
Video.
About 14 of the 49 killed by the gunmen. Almost all of them have Hispanic names; even leaning towards Cuban and Puerto Rican surnames.
So, this guy, as well, killed a bunch of Hispanics at it appears now.
Rest in peace and in my prayers.
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http://www.voanews.com/media/video/3374371.html
Video.
About 14 of the 49 killed by the gunmen. Almost all of them have Hispanic names; even leaning towards Cuban and Puerto Rican surnames.
So, this guy, as well, killed a bunch of Hispanics at it appears now.
Rest in peace and in my prayers.
I read the club was very popular among in Puerto Rican community.
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I'm not a member of law enforcement. But it seems to me that if you have a situation where one or more shooters are just killing individuals, firing freely, your number one priority is to "get in there" and STOP them from killing any more?
Jes' askin' ...
That is simply more common sense, than is being exhibited these days. Some LEO agencies arrive and have the plans and bravery to go in fast and end it. In this case, there has been no explanation offered to justify the wait, which probably cost many lives.
Nor have we heard if some people were aggresive enough, to rush the guy. Just one man with two guns, which required reloading from time to time.
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Who denied him the body armor but supplied the weapons? One source? Or several?
I found a report on WBBH saying the same thing...but it doesn't list the source.
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/32202799/orlando-nightclub-shooting-gunman-pledged-allegiance-to-isis
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That is simply more common sense, than is being exhibited these days. Some LEO agencies arrive and have the plans and bravery to go in fast and end it. In this case, there has been no explanation offered to justify the wait, which probably cost many lives.
Nor have we heard if some people were aggresive enough, to rush the guy. Just one man with two guns, which required reloading from time to time.
I just listened to an interview that Joe Pags did with his cousin. She is a member of the Gay community and had almost went to the club that night. The way she described the club was that there were several rooms and it was very confined quarters. It is likely that the police were trying to figure out the lay out or looking for an alternate access point to minimize further casualties.
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Who was Omar Mateen?; Is Orlando the US’ Paris attack?
By Ben Watson Read bio
Bradley Peniston Read bio
http://www.defenseone.com/news/2016/06/the-d-brief-june-13-2016/129014/?oref=d-river
June 13, 2016
Who was Omar Mateen, and how did this man on a U.S. law enforcement watchlist slip through the system? Investigators are racing to find out as much as they can about the now-dead 29-year-old New York-born man variously described as bipolar, abusive, and not terribly religious or social who killed 50 people and wounded another 53 Sunday morning in Orlando during the worst mass-shooting in America’s history—and the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since Sept. 11, 2001.
“Law enforcement authorities said that Mr. Mateen, wielding an assault rifle and a pistol, stormed the club and called 911 from inside to declare his allegiance to the Islamic State, the brutal group that has taken over parts of Syria, Iraq and Libya,” The New York Times reports. “Mr. Mateen had been investigated in the past for possible terrorist ties, but the F.B.I. ultimately found no evidence. Still, he was believed to be on at least one watch list.”
How he met his end: “A three-hour standoff followed the initial assault, with people inside effectively held hostage until around 5 a.m., when law enforcement officials led by a SWAT team raided the club, using an armored vehicle and explosives designed to disorient and distract. Over a dozen police officers and sheriff’s deputies engaged in a shootout with Mr. Mateen, leaving him dead and an officer wounded, his life saved by a Kevlar helmet that deflected a bullet.”
About those previous looks into Mateen by U.S. authorities: “The F.B.I. investigated Mr. Mateen in 2013 when he made comments to co-workers suggesting he had terrorist ties, and again the next year, for possible connections to Moner Mohammad Abusalha, an American who became a suicide bomber in Syria, said Ronald Hopper, an assistant agent in charge of the bureau’s Tampa Division. But each time, the F.B.I. found no solid evidence that Mr. Mateen had any real connection to terrorism or had broken any laws.”
Despite his pledge to ISIS, authorities are focusing more on what appears to be Mateen’s “self-radicalization” than any actual training and preparation by the terrorist group. Indeed, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman put out a call for followers to attack the U.S. during Ramadan, as CNN reports.
But the bigger picture view suggests, as the Times’ Rukmini Callimachi writes, that to ISIS, whether Mateen was acting for the group or was motivated by his own hatred toward gays, makes little difference. “Influencing distant attackers to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State and then carry out mass murder has become a core part of the group’s propaganda over the past two years. It is a purposeful blurring of the line between operations that are planned and carried out by the terror group’s core fighters and those carried out by its sympathizers.” More on that psychological glimpse into the exporting of terror, here.
And as Defense One’s Tech Editor Patrick Tucker wrote in the wake of the Chattanooga shooting not yet a year ago, even with a list of eight warning signs to look out for in the next “lone-wolf” attack, it remains incredibly hard to stop these episodes of mass violence. Find the eight behaviors from the psychological literature here.
Worth noting: the attack in Orlando “comes at a time of catastrophic military losses” for ISIS in Iraq and Syria, said Patrick Skinner of the Soufan Group.
Indeed, the U.S.-led coalition has killed “more than 120 Islamic State leaders, commanders, propagandists, recruiters and other so-called high-value individuals so far this year,” LA Times’ Bill Hennigan reported this weekend. A bit more on the ISIS battles in Iraq and Syria below.
Across the pond, the war goes on… With Orlando on everyone’s mind, Defense Secretary Ash Carter, his entourage and the Pentagon press corps departed Monday morning for NATO headquarters in Brussels—and the final gathering of defense ministers before next month’s presidential-level summit in Warsaw. Defense One’s Executive Editor Kevin Baron is along for the ride. The meeting was billed as expected, he writes: counter-ISIS, Russia, Afghanistan. But for certain the attack in Orlando gives a bit more focus to what European security officials already have learned: terrorism in their homelands.
Just two months ago, European and British security officials spoke plainly at the Aspen Security Forum in London about how they are evolving their counterterrorism thinking—and policymaking—past battlefield wins and borders control. Instead of just trying to stop terrorism, there’s an urgent sense of wanting to stop citizens and others within their populations from ever becoming terrorists to begin with. That’s a step the U.S. has not reached, not as robustly, at least, in part because Americans had not yet had their Paris, their Brussels, their Istanbul. Now they have. Now they have Orlando.
NATO defense ministers usually use their final pre-summit meeting to lockdown future commitments to the Afghanistan war, their budget shortfalls, and other pledges. Will they connect their collective security mission to Orlando? Or will we see any “official” as-NATO participation in the war against ISIS. It’s a long way from Belgium to Florida. Today, it feels a little bit closer.
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Or all Democrats for that matter.
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I just listened to an interview that Joe Pags did with his cousin. She is a member of the Gay community and had almost went to the club that night. The way she described the club was that there were several rooms and it was very confined quarters. It is likely that the police were trying to figure out the lay out or looking for an alternate access point to minimize further casualties.
The police blew a hole in one of the back walls to get people out.
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Perfect!
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Hispanics Shaken By Heavy Toll At Orlando Club Massacre
Family members help a woman out of a senior citizen's center after being notified of the fate of their loved ones, one day after a mass shooting at the Pulse gay night club in Orlando, Florida, U.S., June 13, 2016. REUTERS/Adrees Latif
June 14, 2016
By Letitia Stein and Fiona Ortiz
ORLANDO, Fla./CHICAGO (Reuters) – It was a carefree “vacilón” – a pumped up party – at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub on Saturday night, full of Latinos dancing to salsa, bachata and thumping reggaeton at the gay club’s Latin music night.
By early Sunday morning, the party was shattered by the biggest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. Most of the 49 people shot dead by a single gunman were Latino, more than half of them of Puerto Rican origin, four Mexican citizens and one man from the Dominican Republic, according to officials.
http://www.oann.com/hispanics-shaken...club-massacre/
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U.S. Army officer among the dead.
Army officer among 49 killed during Orlando nightclub attack
Byron Dobson, Tallahassee Democrat 12:19 a.m. EDT June 14, 2016
Word spread rapidly from Florida A&M University President Elmira Mangum to friends on social media around the country Monday when it was learned Antonio Davon Brown was among the 49 people killed Sunday morning during a massacre inside an Orlando nightclub.
Brown, a native of Cocoa Beach, graduated from FAMU in 2008 with a degree in criminal justice. He also earned a commission as a second lieutenant, having completed Army ROTC studies at FAMU. ...
More at Army Times (http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/06/14/army-officer-among-49-victims-orlando-nightclub-attack/85855330/)
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A Glimpse Into the Horror in Orlando from View of Victim (http://bluelivesmatter.blue/glimpse-horror-took-place-orlando-view-victim/) (short video taken by one of victims).
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A Glimpse Into the Horror in Orlando from View of Victim (http://bluelivesmatter.blue/glimpse-horror-took-place-orlando-view-victim/) (short video taken by one of victims).
Don't want anything like that on my mental 'hard drive'....garbage in-garbage out, sort of thing. :shrug:
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Never heard of this guy - may be a kook site. Having issued that warning:
5 Reasons To Question The Official Story Of The Orlando Shooting
Brandon Turbeville
Activist Post
June 12, 2016
As more and more evidence emerges regarding the mass shooting in an Orlando gay club that resulted in the death of at least 52 people and many more injured, signs are increasingly pointing toward the possibility of a false flag operation.
Already, a number of points lend credence to those who might suggest that intelligence agencies more so than desert-dwelling terrorist organizations are responsible for organizing and directing the attacks. A number of questionable aspects regarding this shooting include:
1.) The FBI knew about the shooter and investigated him prior to the attack.
2.) The shooter had a connection to a known ISIS recruiter.
3.) The shooter’s father was a former “Afghan presidential candidate” who supported the Taliban.
4.) The FBI’s history in creating terrorism. ...
Conclusion
While the right-wing media blames Muslims and the left-wing media blame guns, perhaps it would be more effective if thinking individuals would examine the possibilities that this attack was a false flag incident designed to push an agenda that would benefit those in power in some way or other. Out of this attack we will no doubt see another push for the evisceration of the Second Amendment and other civil liberties as well as increased hype regarding ISIS as a threat to the American way of life and a greater attempt at justification for foreign adventures.
While the information presented above may not be enough evidence to prove in the court of law that the Orlando attack was a false flag attack, it is reason enough to question the official story thus far. If this attack is indeed placed in the lap of ISIS, however, all fingers should immediately point to NATO and the Atlanticist Intelligence apparatus. It is they who control ISIS and they who bear the responsibility for its actions. If the attack is attributed to a lone jihadist nut the FBI has some serious explaining to do since it appears that the agency itself is the greatest initiator of terrorist activity inside American borders and is either the most incompetent anti-terror fighter in the U.S. or it is complicit in the attacks that take place.
Entire article at Brandon Turbeville website (http://www.brandonturbeville.com/2016/06/5-reasons-to-question-official-story-of.html)
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Though I don't go along with it, I don't blame those who are suspicious, conspiracy-bent or even paranoid from time to time.
But I don't think the powers to be would throw this whole situation back at the gay community which is what is happening as we find out more about Mateen, quite possibly, a tortured individual.
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What if Mateen Wasn't Targeting Gay People at all? (http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/14/what-if-mateen-wasnt-targeting-gay-people-at-all/)
The Federalist
EXCERPT... But what if Mateen didn’t specifically target a gay nightclub? What if the choice of the club and the victims were incidental to the killer’s intent? What if Mateen simply hated America, loved ISIS, considered himself an Islamist, and wanted to kill as many infidels as possible?
Why else would Mateen have scouted out other locations like Walt Disney World? Could it be that this, too, is a place where large numbers of people gather and where Mateen could have launched a surprise attack against unsuspecting civilians? Mateen’s wife, Noor Sahi Salman, reportedly told People that recently he had been “scouting Downtown Disney and Pulse [nightclub] for attacks.” Downtown Disney, reports People, doesn’t have a security and bag check at the entrance, unlike the other four Disney World theme parks.
If Mateen’s specific purpose had been to target not just Americans, but gay Americans, why did he never mention this in his 911 call? According to multiple law enforcement sources, Mateen called 911 about 30 minutes after launching his attack and pledged allegiance to ISIS and its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
But that’s not all he said. Mateen claimed he was doing this in solidarity with Boston marathon bombers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, the first U.S. citizen to carry out a suicide attack in Syria. He also said he was protesting “the U.S. bombing in Syria and Iraq and the killing of women and children.”
No mention of carrying out an Islamic punishment for homosexuality, no mention of gay or lesbian Americans, no mention of his victims at all. ...
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Never heard of this guy - may be a kook site. Having issued that warning:Entire article at Brandon Turbeville website (http://www.brandonturbeville.com/2016/06/5-reasons-to-question-official-story-of.html)
Based on the rhetoric coming out of the pie holes of the talking heads on the left after this attack, I wouldn't be surprised.
The cadre of leftist scum we have in Sacramento wasted practically no time after the San Bernardino terror attack to get about a half dozen new anti-gun laws in the pipeline.
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Orlando shooter killed by police in hail of gunfire as he was trying to escape through hole
Naples Daily News
On Monday, Orlando Police Chief John Mina and other law enforcement officers offered new details about the shooting, including the possibility that some victims may have been killed by officers trying to save them.
"I will say this, that's all part of the investigation," Mina said. "But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall and they were being fired upon."
A law enforcement source close to the investigation who asked not to be named because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly said a crowd of up to 300 people and the complex layout of the dance club may have resulted in some patrons being struck by gunfire from officers.
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An off-duty Orlando police officer working at the club was investigating an underage drinker outside when he heard gunshots inside, according to the law enforcement source. The off-duty officer ran inside the club and traded gunfire with Mateen, backed up soon by three other Orlando police officers, the source said.
Together, the officers fired at Mateen, who retreated into a bathroom toward the rear of the club.
"Those additional officers made entry while the suspect was shooting," Mina said. "They forced him to stop shooting and retreat to the bathroom where we believe he had several hostages."
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A SWAT team summoned by Orlando Police set up three explosive charges controlled by one device, but failed to topple the exterior wall leading to the bathroom that included 15 to 20 people. So Mina made the call to use the Bearcat.
Officers wore combat-grade body armor and helmets as they rammed a bathroom wall of the Pulse nightclub, creating a small hole — big enough for people to crawl through — so the score of captives could escape.
Along with the freed hostages who were hopping out of the jagged portal to freedom was Mateen who was wielding an AR-15 rifle and semi-automatic Glock handgun he bought days earlier from a Port St. Lucie gun shop. He fired at officers, striking one of them in his helmet before he was shot several times and killed.
"There's a hole in the wall about two feet off the ground and three feet wide. We were able to rescue dozens and dozens of people who came out of that wall," Mina said. "The suspect came out of that hole himself with a handgun and a long gun and engaged in a gun battle with officers where he was ultimately killed."
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/orlando-shooter-killed-by-police-in-hail-of-gunfire-as-he-was-trying-to-escape-through-hole-rescuers-382673091.html
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Orlando shooter killed by police in hail of gunfire as he was trying to escape through hole
Naples Daily News
On Monday, Orlando Police Chief John Mina and other law enforcement officers offered new details about the shooting, including the possibility that some victims may have been killed by officers trying to save them.
"I will say this, that's all part of the investigation," Mina said. "But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall and they were being fired upon."
A law enforcement source close to the investigation who asked not to be named because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly said a crowd of up to 300 people and the complex layout of the dance club may have resulted in some patrons being struck by gunfire from officers.
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An off-duty Orlando police officer working at the club was investigating an underage drinker outside when he heard gunshots inside, according to the law enforcement source. The off-duty officer ran inside the club and traded gunfire with Mateen, backed up soon by three other Orlando police officers, the source said.
Together, the officers fired at Mateen, who retreated into a bathroom toward the rear of the club.
"Those additional officers made entry while the suspect was shooting," Mina said. "They forced him to stop shooting and retreat to the bathroom where we believe he had several hostages."
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A SWAT team summoned by Orlando Police set up three explosive charges controlled by one device, but failed to topple the exterior wall leading to the bathroom that included 15 to 20 people. So Mina made the call to use the Bearcat.
Officers wore combat-grade body armor and helmets as they rammed a bathroom wall of the Pulse nightclub, creating a small hole — big enough for people to crawl through — so the score of captives could escape.
Along with the freed hostages who were hopping out of the jagged portal to freedom was Mateen who was wielding an AR-15 rifle and semi-automatic Glock handgun he bought days earlier from a Port St. Lucie gun shop. He fired at officers, striking one of them in his helmet before he was shot several times and killed.
"There's a hole in the wall about two feet off the ground and three feet wide. We were able to rescue dozens and dozens of people who came out of that wall," Mina said. "The suspect came out of that hole himself with a handgun and a long gun and engaged in a gun battle with officers where he was ultimately killed."
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/orlando-shooter-killed-by-police-in-hail-of-gunfire-as-he-was-trying-to-escape-through-hole-rescuers-382673091.html
I can't even begin to imagine the terror those people must have endured.
Prayers to the families............
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/14/orlando-gunman-made-multiple-visits-to-nightclub-attacked-reports-say.html
Wife of nightclub shooter knew of deadly plans, source says
Published June 14, 2016 FoxNews.com
The wife of the Orlando nightclub shooter knew of her husband's deadly plans and did nothing to stop him, a federal law enforcement source confirmed to Fox News.
FBI agents have interviewed Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Salman, in the days since Sunday's massacre that killed 49 and wounded 53 more.
Now FoxNews.com has learned from an FBI source that federal prosecutors have convened a grand jury against Salman, seeking to charge her as an accessory to 49 counts of murder and 53 counts of attempted murder as well as with failure to notify law enforcement about the pending terrorist attack and lying to federal agents
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I said yesterday the wife might be the one they were charging as an accomplice
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You know, it would be courteous if you pinged me with an @sinkspur when you mention me by name.
So, to you, "social conservatives" hate gays.
You must have a stupendously big inferiority complex.
Go find a post I made where I mentioned you by name and did not quote your quote. I doubt if I ever mentioned you by name anyway.
Once again, you are attacking the wrong poster. This is getting truly tiring, all of your ranting and raving.
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I think, in this case, there was some (obviously) friction with the father; I heard at one point, the father referred to him as gay in front of his wife. Sometimes, fathers and mothers and sons and daughters don't get along very well.
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I think, in this case, there was some (obviously) friction with the father; I heard at one point, the father referred to him as gay in front of his wife. Sometimes, fathers and mothers and sons and daughters don't get along very well.
Don't they have that little "Honor killing" deal in their back pocket to deal with such things in their culture?
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Don't they have that little "Honor killing" deal in their back pocket to deal with such things in their culture?
Yeah, I'm always confused about how that works though. I think in this case it would mean killing the wife since she's the female witness to what happened. :shrug:
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Whenever I hear of "honor killing", it seems it is women who always get killed. Does it pertain to men ever? I do not know.
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http://www.24media.info/2016/06/orlando-shooting-fake-heres/
Some idiot says this shooting was all fake.
Alex Jones really has some influence on nutcases.
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Some idiot says this shooting was all fake.
Alex Jones really has some influence on nutcases.
Yes, I'm seeing stuff like that on Facebook. The contrails crowd is convinced it's a "false flag" operation.
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http://www.24media.info/2016/06/orlando-shooting-fake-heres/
Some idiot says this shooting was all fake.
Alex Jones really has some influence on nutcases.
Each fringe group has their own Trump it seems.
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NY Daily News reports (and the Pastor is a Hispanic in Sacramento):
California pastor rejoices in massacre at Orlando gay club: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’
“The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die,” Pastor Roger Jimenez told his Sacramento church Sunday morning, just hours after 49 people were killed in Orlando. “I’m kind of upset he didn’t finish the job — because these people are predators.”
From the pulpit at Verity Baptist Church, Jimenez claimed all homosexuals are pedophiles as he heartlessly rejoiced in the carnage.
"Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today? Um, no. I think that’s great. I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Fla., is a little safer tonight,” he barked, according to a video of the heartless sermon. “It is unnatural for a man to be attracted to another man.”
In front of a room full of believers, Jimenez repeated his condemnation of homosexuality — and called for the executions of all gay people.
"I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a firing wall, put the firing squad in front of them and blow their brains out," he scoffed.
Despite his repeated insistence that gay people should be killed, the bloviating pastor swore he wasn’t advocating violence. He encouraged his followers to celebrate — but not cause — harm to the community.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-pastor-celebrates-massacre-orlando-gay-club-article-1.2673335
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SOURCE: CBS NEWS
URL: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-mass-shooting-poll-trump-obama-clinton-reaction/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-mass-shooting-poll-trump-obama-clinton-reaction/)
by: Anthony Salvanto, Fred Backus, Sarah Dutton and Jennifer De Pinto
EXCERPT ONLY, CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST....
A majority of Americans view the mass shooting over the weekend in Orlando, Florida as both an act of terrorism and a hate crime. They are divided over whether U.S. intelligence agencies could have prevented it, a CBS News poll out Wednesday morning shows.
According to the survey, Americans give the President net positive ratings on his response to the Orlando attack. More than half disapprove (51 percent) of presidential candidate Donald Trump's response and are split in their opinions in how Hillary Clinton has handled the situation.
Most Americans (57 percent) describe the shooting over the weekend at a nightclub in Orlando as both an act of terrorism and a hate crime against gays and lesbians. 14 percent think it was mostly a terror act, while 25 percent think it was mostly a hate crime.
The suspect in the shooting, Omar Mateen, had been previously interviewed by the FBI regarding possible connections to terrorism. The public is split on whether U.S. intelligence agencies had information could have prevented the Orlando attack: 42 percent say yes, while 42 percent say no. Views are not much different than they were in a similar question asked after the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013.
President Obama gets net positive ratings for his response to the shooting in Orlando. 44 percent approve, while 34 percent disapprove. About a quarter don't have an opinion.
When asked to assess the responses of the presumptive nominees for President, Americans are divided on Hillary Clinton's response to the attack, while ratings of Trump are more negative. 51 percent of Americans disapprove of the way Trump is responding to the Orlando attack, while just 25 percent approve.
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When I see polls like this, I'm curious if they disapprove of Trump's response or if it's just an extension of their disapproval of Trump himself.
How many of those who responded actually heard what Trump said or the president for that matter?
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Apparently Trump is now taking the position that those on the no-fly list should not be allowed to buy guns - same position as Hitlery and Zero. What about due process?
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NY Daily News reports (and the Pastor is a Hispanic in Sacramento):
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-pastor-celebrates-massacre-orlando-gay-club-article-1.2673335
How long before Obozo gets on television and lectures all of us again?
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NY Daily News reports (and the Pastor is a Hispanic in Sacramento):
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-pastor-celebrates-massacre-orlando-gay-club-article-1.2673335
:facepalm2:
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NY Daily News reports (and the Pastor is a Hispanic in Sacramento):
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-pastor-celebrates-massacre-orlando-gay-club-article-1.2673335
What's his FR username?
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What's his FR username?
I suspect a few congratulatory comments may have been posted over there (not going to look for them, though).
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We live in a society of outrageous statements; blaming Christians for Orlando, etc. etc. is easily just as incredible.
Or some official, former DHS official said right wing terrorism is as much of a threat as Islamic terrorism, that's offensive as well. That was in the news somewhere today.
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@WAC FYI- that is a picture of the first wife in your post.
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Breaking: ......three St Lucie County sheriff deputies just arrive at Mateen family members home - go inside then leave the house without anyone in custody.
Where's the daughter-in- law......father says she's out of the area????....May very well shipped her out of the country.
Many do so when any type of investigation gets underway ....they know who to contact and connections to get them out. Time will tell......
this is ongoing no doubt.....
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Father seems quite happy doing interviews and press attention......????... doing another press conference in living room. But thisafter calling the cops on media
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Thank you for that correction.....here she is.....
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This was when officers took her to her apartment to gather some of her things.... on Monday evening
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Some Charges shooters 2nd wife could face...
....Failing to report
....Providing assistence
....Willing to particpate...conspiracy (agreement to commit), can be as liabel as the one pulling trigger.
Police would have only gone before a grand jury if they have evidence....her words once cooborated can be used against her. (cellphones etc. conversations during interviews with press...etc.)
...Shooters wife's 'Noor Zahi Salman' family are from Ramallah West Bank Palestine.....Uncles still living there with families along with many other family members......other relatives living in Ohio and Louisiana.
....Moved here in 70'S...were well to do Palestinians.
....Knew about shooters plan and participated by driving him to potential 'attack sites' including Pulse Lounge. last April To Disney World. and a Shopping complex.
.....With him when he purchased firearms and ammunition..
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Thank you for that correction.....here she is.....
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She is equally guilty. This is what muslim values bring to us-murder and complicit silence.
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accomplice-in-law
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The FBI better have eyes on her.
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BREAKING: Insider Leaks Secret Reaction White House Had To Orlando Shooting… It’s SICK
June 15, 2016
Politics, Terrorism
Conservative Tribune
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2016/breaking-insider-leaks-secret-reaction-white-house-had-to-orlando-shooting-its-sick
Conservative Tribune has obtained exclusive information from a Washington insider that revealed how the White House actually felt about the Orlando shooting, and it may turn a few heads (not to mention a few stomachs).
An individual with connections at the White House who for obvious reasons asked to remain unidentified wondered what would come out of the Orlando shooting with regard to policy changes from the Obama administration. The responses to this question were shocking, to say the least.
One senior White House official told the insider that if “shooting up thirty 8-year-olds in suburban Connecticut didn’t change any minds,” a massacre of 1,000 homosexuals during Pride Week wouldn’t matter.
“(N)obody would give a f***,” the official said.
In fact, the official went on to say that the White House couldn’t even spin the story because nobody cared about a “bunch of bleep,” and that it would simply be “bad politics” to try and do so.
Perhaps more damning, another White House official, also described by our contact as “senior,” added that the administration didn’t want anyone to look into the matter very closely.
When asked why, the official pointed out that Mateen had been hired by G4S, a company that, along with other security firms, had been “leaned on” by the Obama administration to hire Muslims.
Those companies had been encouraged to “look the other way a little bit” when it came to background checks to ensure they weren’t hiring a “bunch of white weekend warriors playing Army.”
If these responses indicate how the Obama administration as a whole reacted to the shooting, it is sick in more ways than one.
First, it demonstrated how very little it cares about the LGBT community — which is shocking considering their rhetoric and how much Democrats have come to depend on their vote.
Second, it showed how the administration has shown blatant favoritism to Muslims — over homosexuals, blacks, Hispanics, women or any other group.
G4S has been one of the biggest contractors for the U.S. government after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but now has come under scrutiny for hiring an apparent Islamic State group sympathizer.
Share this story on Twitter and Facebook to help us spread the word that there may be more to this story than the White House wants America to know.
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This ties in right with the Judicial Watch Investigation I posted earlier today about......
As you're article reads......."When asked why, the official pointed out that Mateen had been hired by G4S, a company that, along with other security firms, had been “leaned on” by the Obama administration to hire Muslims.
Those companies had been encouraged to “look the other way a little bit” when it came to background checks to ensure they weren’t hiring a “bunch of white weekend warriors playing Army.”
(I'll post it here to compare and see what you think......)
JUNE 13, 2016
In 2013 Mateen was investigated by the FBI for terrorism ties and his connections to an American named Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha who carried out a suicide bombing in Syria. ..... The federal probe didn’t seem to impact Mateen’s work at G4S however, because there was no disruption in his employment, even after he openly praised ISIS.
..... This is astounding considering that the agency created after 9/11 to prevent another terrorist attack 'has a $234 million contract with G4S to provide security services for a number of federal agencies'...., including the nation’s nuclear facilities.... and the departments of Labor, Justice, Energy, State ...as well as the Internal Revenue Service .... and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).
Ironically, the government’s contract with G4S stipulates that the company helps identify “suspected terrorists” trying to enter the U.S. and helps the feds with emergency responses to terror threats.
(The firm G4S and claims to be the world’s leading security solutions group with operations in more than 100 countries and 610,000 employees. G4S has more than 50,000 employees in the U.S.)
DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads of Illegal Aliens Away from Border without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents, Border Patrol sources tell Judicial Watch....The government classifies them as Other Than Mexican (OTM)...ordered to call family members in the U.S. so they could purchase a bus ticket for their upcoming trip from Phoenix. Authorities didn’t bother checking the identity of the U.S. relatives or if they’re in the country legally, according to a Border Patrol official directly involved in the matter....The photo shows the 'ununiformed G4S guard' that transported the OTMs from Tucson to Phoenix.
“They’re telling us to put them on a bus and let them go,” said one law enforcement official in Arizona. “Just move those bodies across the country.”
@rangerrebrew
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And yet, on another thread...we're supposed to believe an ABC news poll showing Hillary up 12 points.
Uh-huh......
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Anonymous insiders and unnamed officials. :pondering:
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It is things like this that leave me convinced I am on my own for my personal safety when (not if) TSHTF.
God be with us.
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So we're to believe that a "White House insider" who wanted a story like this to get out would turn to the Red Flag News, an obscure website for preppers, as its "exclusive" source.
Uh-huh.
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Anonymous insiders and unnamed officials. :pondering:
In other words, made up bullshit.
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Conservative Tribune.... sounds like a blog to me...
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Obama and all the globalists and politicians involved with moving Muslim populations to third world countries (BEFORE he's out of office) know full well they're involved and quilty of breaking Immigration laws.... They don't care as long as they can keep the courts and congress tied up on the issues..... because once 'IN' what are you going to do to get them OUT without public outcry (and most likely violence) from the very swarms they've brought in, along with all the minority groups currently here?
Just to add to this mix...I just read that the shooters brother is also part of this moving Muslims into this country...and actively meets with Washington politicians about this.
The plot of course thickens but he'll be out and nothing more any will do about it...that's just the facts.
HE's a traitor to this nation and it's people....and it's all about getting voters (foreigners) here to this country that will lean fully toward the Global Hillary Obama and other leftists agenda to transform this country to get in line with the push for Global Governance. They know true Americans would never go along who have any concept of what that would mean, or care about,
So here we are as American citizens still taking crumps off their media framed stories when the larger story is total manipulation of the Muslim Culture to here to affect our laws and fight against their political agendas. It's far more than dial a protester.....it's split the nation wide enough that we can't fight against it....outnumbered by those coming from Arab nations, South America and Mexico......there's plenty of evidence to say that Obama and Michele transformed the population....they brought them here and set them loose!
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In other words, made up bullshit.
Check with Judicial watch as they are investigating this very thing and have stunning results thus far....
BTWyou need to read more before commenting so quickly....your coments often don't match with the evidence and you don't see to present anything opposing. Just saying........................
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Conservative Tribune.... sounds like a blog to me...
Judicial watch is all over this that Obama's doing relating to that article.........the press won't report on it as doing so would shake the nation further than it is....
Besides both the Republicans and Demorats pull enough leverage with each other to move or stop accusation despite evidence in pretty much every area....if they don't want it known or out there they will make sure media complys.
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Conservative Tribune.... sounds like a blog to me...
Here's Judicial Watch link ...you'll see many on this regarding Obama's "orders" and his "Coup" partners working with these immigration groups.....Further border patrol officers speaking out....and many others. Just look at those he's appointed to head our Homeland Security and those to push immigration full boar!..with or without legality.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/06/orlando-terrorist-worked-security-co-hired-dhs-transport-release-illegal-aliens/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Check with Judicial watch as they are investigating this very thing and have stunning results thus far....
BTWyou need to read more before commenting so quickly....your coments often don't match with the evidence and you don't see to present anything opposing. Just saying........................
His reaction is always this way, as I have found hum incorrect on numerous threads.
No wonder people pull the ignore button on him.
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So we're to believe that a "White House insider" who wanted a story like this to get out would turn to the Red Flag News, an obscure website for preppers, as its "exclusive" source.
Uh-huh.
Sounds all too much like this White House.
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ISIS Praises Mateen as 'Lion of Caliphate,' Urges Attacks at Theaters, Hospitals, Amusement Parks
By Bridget Johnson June 14, 2016
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/14/isis-praises-mateen-as-lion-of-caliphate-urges-attacks-at-theaters-hospitals-amusement-parks/
An ISIS-affiliated media group issued new statements today praising Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen as a "lion of the caliphate" and a "hero" for slaughtering 49 "infidels" -- and calling on other lone jihadis to follow his example.
The Obama administration has confirmed that Mateen was consuming ISIS propaganda online before he opened fire at the Pulse nightclub early Sunday morning and called 911 to swear fidelity to ISIS.
"As we know all too well, terrorist groups like ISIL have called on people around the world and here in the United States to attack innocent civilians. Their propaganda, their videos, their postings are pervasive and more easily accessible than we want," President Obama said after a National Security Council meeting in Washington this morning. "This individual appears to have absorbed some of that and during his killing spree, the shooter in Orlando pledged allegiance to ISIL."
"An attacker, as we saw in Orlando, only has to succeed once," the president added.
Sponsored
The Al-Battar Media Foundation, which previously posted an ISIS claim for the November attack on a Jordanian police training facility in which two Americans were among the dead and released a March video celebrating the Brussels attacks while urging more attacks in Europe, released a few separate statements on Orlando a few hours after Obama spoke. Al-Battar is reportedly the media operation of elite ISIS Libyan unit Kalibat al-Battar al-Libi, which is led by a Tunisian terrorist who may at one point have been held by the U.S.
The first statement today featured a selfie of Mateen, who was credited with killing "gay crusader infidels in the city of Orlando, America" and putting "horror, fear and heartbreak" in "the hearts of the infidels" during the "great blessed battle successfully carried out by one Muslim man."
The statement goes on to slam "hypocrites in whose heart is a disease" and "fear of infidel Trump winning the presidency."
ISIS Takes Credit for Stabbing Police Commander, Wife Near Paris
"The sincere believer is not afraid of the head of infidel America, but is struggling as the almighty Allah commanded him, and waits for the victory of Allah... the blessed battle has made the infidels [feel] horror and fear and panic."
It asked that Allah bless "Brother Mujahid Omar."
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So Obammy and Joltin' Joe Biden will be in Orlando today to comfort the families.
Mark Knoller @markknoller 14h14 hours ago
Pres Obama will spend 4 hours in Orlando tomorrow afternoon. Joined by @VP, he meets with victims families and will make a statement.
Gee, I hope he has time for golf. If he's going to a gay bar or a Disney properties lake, he might want to be careful, though.
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Re: poll that shows Obama and his blame-the-guns has a 44/34 net positive approval for his handling of the situation.
Thank God and Truman for term limits, otherwise this country would keep electing this sleazeball for life.
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When I see polls like this, I'm curious if they disapprove of Trump's response or if it's just an extension of their disapproval of Trump himself.
How many of those who responded actually heard what Trump said or the president for that matter?
Trump thinks Obama should have prevented the shooters parents from coming to America back in 1980 apparently, :shrug:
That was the impression I had.
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Nope not this time unfortunately.