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http://www.redstate.com/dloesch/2013/10/13/media-targets-million-veteran-march/
Media Targets Million Veteran March
By: Oceander Loesch (Diary) | October 13th, 2013 at 02:45 PM | 21
CNN published an article this morning purposefully painting the Million Veterans’s March as a “group of conservatives” who are basically birthers and racists and hate Obama. They completely ignored that this was a march organized by veterans for veterans to reclaim their right to visit open air memorials that they mostly funded themselves. No where in this article does CNN even identify the name of the march:
Angered by the closure of national landmarks due to the partial government shutdown, a crowd of conservatives removed barricades Sunday at the World War II Memorial and the Lincoln Memorial as they rallied against President Barack Obama and Democrats for their role in the ongoing stalemate.
A “crowd of conservatives?”
The rally, billed as the “Million Vet March on the Memorials,” drew far fewer than a million people and evolved into a protest that resembled familiar tea party events from 2009, with yellow “Don’t Tread On Me” flags throughout the crowd and strong anti-Obama language from the podium and the audience.
“Billed as.” Ignore the veterans, classify it as a bunch of hateful racists.
One speaker went as far as saying the president was a Muslim and separately urged the crowd of hundreds to initiate a peaceful uprising.
Who? Crickets when Harry Reid called conservatives anarchists last week and other Democrats name-called conservatives as Nazis and murderers in their tantrum over spending.
The purpose of this article was to disenfranchise veterans (once again) by omitting their participation in the event and cast it as a hateful tea party rally. Let it be on record that a network is attack veterans as such.
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Political_Lizard
• an hour ago
Having attended this rally, I can tell everyone it was mostly veterans and there were thousands there not merely hundreds the Democratic propaganda machine would have you believe.
sybilll
• 4 hours ago
ABC Radio news reported that there were 50 protesters that carried the barricades to the White House. They never mentioned veterans. Fox Radio news' highlight of their report was of the arrest of an armed veteran. Journalism is dead. As a doornail.
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Unfortunately, because this event took place on a Sunday during football season, 98% of Americans will never know it even happened.
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I guess that's why you couldn't even must up even ONE POST in support of the veterans today?
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Unfortunately, because this event took place on a Sunday during football season, 98% of Americans will never know it even happened.
Newsflash. Football has nothing to do with it. The media ignores it on purpose and misconstrues it on purpose. In case you missed this date - tomorrow is Veterans Day.
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I guess that's why you couldn't even must up even ONE POST in support of the veterans today?
I was busy with relatives and other things today.
I don't spend my life on the internet.
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Newsflash. Football has nothing to do with it. The media ignores it on purpose and misconstrues it on purpose. In case you missed this date - tomorrow is Veterans Day.
Tomorrow is Columbus Day. Veterans Day is in November.
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Tomorrow is Columbus Day. Veterans Day is in November.
Excuse me. However today is the anniversary of the Navy.... so it is STILL a military-related holiday.
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I was busy with relatives and other things today.
I don't spend my life on the internet.
Hey, the thread is still up, and people are still posting on it. Why don't you go over there and write a nice post of support for our veterans and what they did today? Afraid it will make you sick to your stomach?
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Newsflash. Football has nothing to do with it. The media ignores it on purpose and misconstrues it on purpose. In case you missed this date - tomorrow is Veterans Day.
I said the same thing on another thread. Even Fox is crappy on Sunday. Short of a plane crash or nuke, they rarely cover anything. If it is something that doesn't fit their narrative, then they will avoid it for certain.
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I was busy with relatives and other things today.
I don't spend my life on the internet.
:laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :pigs fly: :pigs fly: :pigs fly:
and you ARE here NOW... and where is YOUR support for the vets? For what they did? BTW did YOU ever serve?
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Hey, the thread is still up, and people are still posting on it. Why don't you go over there and write a nice post of support for our veterans and what they did today? Afraid it will make you sick to your stomach?
I support the vets. Glad they did what they did.
So let's see. There was an illegal immigration demonstration this week that nobody noticed, a trucker's demonstration that nobody noticed, and now a veteran's demonstration on a Sunday in Washington DC that few noticed.
This is why I don't do demonstrations. They're a waste of time.
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But throwing Ted Cruz tantrums on the internet 24/7 isn't. Okay, gotcha. :pondering:
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But throwing Ted Cruz tantrums on the internet 24/7 isn't. Okay, gotcha. :pondering:
Juvenile.
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I support the vets. Glad they did what they did.
So let's see. There was an illegal immigration demonstration this week that nobody noticed, a trucker's demonstration that nobody noticed, and now a veteran's demonstration on a Sunday in Washington DC that few noticed.
This is why I don't do demonstrations. They're a waste of time.
I don't think it's ever a waste of time to stand up against an oppressive government.
I don't think it was a waste of time to remove the barricades from the WWII Memorial and plant them in front of the WH.
I don't think the Founders thought it was a waste of time to redress grievances and demonstrate against tyranny.
That's EXACTLY what our WWII Veterans did today in Washington DC.
It's only a 'waste of time' if you don't understand what's going on in this country today.
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I support the vets. Glad they did what they did.
So let's see. There was an illegal immigration demonstration this week that nobody noticed, a trucker's demonstration that nobody noticed, and now a veteran's demonstration on a Sunday in Washington DC that few noticed.
This is why I don't do demonstrations. They're a waste of time.
It's only a waste of time because the government owns the MSM and in not interested in painting a positive picture (or any picture if possible) of a group of people that are showing discontent with their government. I feel this trend (and some here will jump down my throat for it I'm sure) effects people both on the left and right that want to express their frustration.
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I don't think it's ever a waste of time to stand up against an oppressive government.
I don't think it was a waste of time to remove the barricades from the WWII Memorial and plant them in front of the WH.
I don't think the Founders thought it was a waste of time to redress grievances and demonstrate against tyranny.
That's EXACTLY what our WWII Veterans did today in Washington DC.
It's only a 'waste of time' if you don't understand what's going on in this country today.
You go right ahead and demonstrate. Anything that makes you feel good.
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It's only a waste of time because the government owns the MSM and in not interested in painting a positive picture (or any picture if possible) of a group of people that are showing discontent with their government. I feel this trend (and some here will jump down my throat for it I'm sure) effects people both on the left and right that want to express their frustration.
I'm about results. I just don't feel that demonstrations yield any results, other than making the demonstrators feel good.
And, hey, if it makes you feel good, demonstrate to your hearts content.
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I'm about results. I just don't feel that demonstrations yield any results, other than making the demonstrators feel good.
And, hey, if it makes you feel good, demonstrate to your hearts content.
If it gets the attention it deserves and is actually shown to the world in a fair context it can have the effect of getting people motivated to get out there and demand change. It reminds people that the government and this country belongs to them, and that this government only exists to make life easier for and serve the better interests of the people that live in this country. I feel they don't like that idea, which is why any group that expresses frustration towards the government is either played down so people don't take it seriously, or is demonized (or both).
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If it gets the attention it deserves and is actually shown to the world in a fair context it can have the effect of getting people motivated to get out there and demand change. It reminds people that the government and this country belongs to them, and that this government only exists to make life easier for and serve the better interests of the people that live in this country. I feel they don't like that idea, which is why any group that expresses frustration towards the government is either played down so people don't take it seriously, or is demonized (or both).
When you've been here for a while longer you will understand that Sinkspur loves the status quo and fears change.... he lives for his 401K and nothing but his 401K and anyone who stands up for conservative principles is his enemy; Saul Alinsky would be proud of how he zeros in on the people he can't stand and harps on them day in and day out... usually the person is a conservative or even worse - a conservative FEMALE.....
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You go right ahead and demonstrate. Anything that makes you feel good.
I swear you're not as much of a jerk as you behave on this forum, sinkspur.
You know full well that it's not about "feeling good." You know full well that it's about doing the right thing in standing up against tyranny.
Just because you don't have the courage these 90 year old WWII vets in wheelchairs have, doesn't give you the right to spit on those of us who support them.
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I think LS is on to something. Our political differences divide us and weaken our power to effect change in Washington. That's why no matter who's in charge government continues to grow unabated. What's needed is unity. What will never happen is a unified America. Not as long as the R's and D's are in charge.
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Let the record show that sinkspur thinks that all of these people.......
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.........were "wasting" their time doing something only because it made them "feel good."
NOT because they sacrificed their freedom for ours.
NOT because they have principles.
NOT because they love America and want to preserve it from tyranny.
BUT BECAUSE HE THINKS IT MADE THEM FEEL GOOD.
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I think LS is on to something. Our political differences divide us and weaken our power to effect change in Washington. That's why no matter who's in charge government continues to grow unabated. What's needed is unity. What will never happen is a unified America. Not as long as the R's and D's are in charge.
With all due respect Aligncare... it isn't the D's or the R's in charge. Its the lobbyists running this train and the taxpayers are the chumps.
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I think LS is on to something. Our political differences divide us and weaken our power to effect change in Washington. That's why no matter who's in charge government continues to grow unabated. What's needed is unity. What will never happen is a unified America. Not as long as the R's and D's are in charge.
The problem with your idealistic view that people other than R's and D's can get something done is faulty, aligncare.
And it is faulty because the left in this country hates it, and the right loves it.
You can label things all you want. You can do the Rodney King act all you want, but it won't work.
We have two very different ideals here. One to make America stronger, and better, and the other to make it weaker and less free.
One side has to win the battle for the soul of this country.
And liberals had better not be on the winning side, or this country is OVER.
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When you've been here for a while longer you will understand that Sinkspur loves the status quo and fears change.... he lives for his 401K and nothing but his 401K and anyone who stands up for conservative principles is his enemy; Saul Alinsky would be proud of how he zeros in on the people he can't stand and harps on them day in and day out... usually the person is a conservative or even worse - a conservative FEMALE.....
So now you're down to trashing me to other posters. I have never done that to you, Rap.
What is the matter with you people? You criticize the hell out of me, but don't have the balls to take me on face to face.
You are the face of GOPBR, Rap. Why would anyone want to have a difference of opinion here when they're going to be trashed by Moderators?
You have a problem with me, bring it to my face. Stop hiding behind other posters.
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Let the record show that sinkspur thinks that all of these people.......
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.........were "wasting" their time doing something only because it made them "feel good."
NOT because they sacrificed their freedom for ours.
NOT because they have principles.
NOT because they love America and want to preserve it from tyranny.
BUT BECAUSE HE THINKS IT MADE THEM FEEL GOOD.
Remember he is proud that he has never helped any "political" campaign and keeps not replying to whether HE ever served!
For the record my husband served, my father served in WWII, my grandfathers in WWI, both my uncles served this nation, my great-great grandfathers all served and all the way back to the Revolution I have relatives who fought for this country... so I FOR ONE am very proud of these people who showed up despite their age and infirmaties in DC in the RAIN today! This is what Proud American PATRIOTS do!!!! What they do not do is mock great American's.
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Remember he is proud that he has never helped any "political" campaign and keeps not replying to whether HE ever served!
For the record my husband served, my father served in WWII, my grandfathers in WWI, both my uncles served this nation, my great-great grandfathers all served and all the way back to the Revolution I have relatives who fought for this country... so I FOR ONE am very proud of these people who showed up despite their age and infirmaties in DC in the RAIN today! This is what Proud American PATRIOTS do!!!! What they do not do is mock great American's.
Why any sane human being would donate to political campaigns is beyond me. There are too many homeless animals that deserve care and support to EVER give a dime to these self-serving clowns who run for office.
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Let the record show that sinkspur thinks that all of these people.......
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.........were "wasting" their time doing something only because it made them "feel good."
NOT because they sacrificed their freedom for ours.
NOT because they have principles.
NOT because they love America and want to preserve it from tyranny.
BUT BECAUSE HE THINKS IT MADE THEM FEEL GOOD.
Let the record show that musiclady doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.
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So now you're down to trashing me to other posters. I have never done that to you, Rap.
What is the matter with you people? You criticize the hell out of me, but don't have the balls to take me on face to face.
You are the face of GOPBR, Rap. Why would anyone want to have a difference of opinion here when they're going to be trashed by Moderators?
You have a problem with me, bring it to my face. Stop hiding behind other posters.
I have addressed you "face to face." And even though I have no authority here, I would love to have an honest dialogue with you without your dripping condescension toward all those with whom YOU disagree.
How about trying it out on some of the rest of us who like a good, honest, polite disagreement now and again?
I'd love to know why you think so little of these vets? Seriously.
Why do you think so little of what they did today?
Just because it doesn't appeal to you to stand up for your principles?
Or is it that you're just playing a game here?
I can't tell if you're needling just to get a reaction, or if you really believe in doing nothing to speak up against the Obama administration.
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Let the record show that musiclady doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.
Make that "sinkspur doesn't mean what he says."
I was just using your own words about what happened in DC today.
Did you not mean what you said?
Or is it, as I suspect, that you're playing games and insulting people just to make them angry.
(And then whining that you're being mistreated).
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Sorry, musiclady. But we're all Americans sharing the same heritage. (In this Woody Guthrie was right: this land is your land this land is my land).
My cause is not to defeat liberals; it is to defeat liberalism and their wrongheaded liberal ideas. I come from a family of liberals. I don't want to defeat them; I want to change their thinking. That's all people like Limbaugh and Levin are about. Changing minds.
I suspect that we're not very far apart in any of our beliefs, aligncare.
But it's my opinion that to trust anyone who is a liberal when it comes to things about America, is folly.
They do NOT want the same things. Leftists want America to lose its heritage of freedom and become a massive government with loss of individual liberty.
YES, we must try to defeat liberalism, but we cannot do that by being (what I believe to be) naïve, in trusting that leftists want the same thing as we do.
They simply don't.
I believe the search for "common ground" is futile. (In this particular case with this particular fellow, I think it's a ruse, and an act of profound insincerity. He proved yesterday with his lies about OWS and the Tea Party that he is nothing more than a troll, and not worth any legitimate effort to persuade).
When one side believes in racism, government control of everything in our lives, loss of individual liberty (unless you're homosexual and want to get 'married'), believes in the slaughter of the unborn, and that women's 'rights' (actually devastating to women) consist of killing babies, and wants to take our religious liberty, our right to bear arms, and our right to free speech away, there is NO common ground.
It won't and can't happen.
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I have addressed you "face to face." And even though I have no authority here, I would love to have an honest dialogue with you without your dripping condescension toward all those with whom YOU disagree.
How about trying it out on some of the rest of us who like a good, honest, polite disagreement now and again?
I'd love to know why you think so little of these vets? Seriously.
Why do you think so little of what they did today?
Just because it doesn't appeal to you to stand up for your principles?
Or is it that you're just playing a game here?
I can't tell if you're needling just to get a reaction, or if you really believe in doing nothing to speak up against the Obama administration.
musiclady, God bless you.
You've decided (based on I don't know what) that I don't care about vets or what they did today.
Or that I won't stand up for principles. And that all that I'm doing is playing a game.
Are you a serious person, or do you just love to make assumptions about people based on nothing?
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So now you're down to trashing me to other posters. I have never done that to you, Rap.
What is the matter with you people? You criticize the hell out of me, but don't have the balls to take me on face to face.
You are the face of GOPBR, Rap. Why would anyone want to have a difference of opinion here when they're going to be trashed by Moderators?
You have a problem with me, bring it to my face. Stop hiding behind other posters.
Oh, quit slinging that BS around, Sinky. Rappy didn't post anything that she hasn't already told you to your face--or have you forgotten all the 401K discussion that's already taken place here this past week?
And as for your "Rapunzel is the face of GOPBR" BS--you've already said, in so many words since your initial Cruz tantrum here, that this place is pretty much kookville-- is THAT because of Rapunzel too?
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musiclady, God bless you.
You've decided (based on I don't know what) that I don't care about vets or what they did today.
Or that I won't stand up for principles. And that all that I'm doing is playing a game.
Are you a serious person, or do you just love to make assumptions about people based on nothing?
I'm a serious person, but I'm pretty sure you're just playing games.
You said what they did was a waste of time, and that the only reason to demonstrate was to 'feel good.'
Defend that position.
Or take back your condescension toward those who believe in demonstrating to express outrage at the abuse of power of this administration.
It's that simple.
Do you, or do you not, believe what you said here?
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I would say this man's shirt says it all....
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I'm a serious person, but I'm pretty sure you're just playing games.
You said what they did was a waste of time, and that the only reason to demonstrate was to 'feel good.'
Defend that position.
Or take back your condescension toward those who believe in demonstrating to express outrage at the abuse of power of this administration.
It's that simple.
Do you, or do you not, believe what you said here?
I said that I don't do demonstrations because I find them a waste of time.
If somebody else thinks they're valuable, good for them.
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Unfortunately, because this event took place on a Sunday during football season, 98% of Americans will never know it even happened.
/snicker
As if the media would have presented it in all its glory to the public if it had only taken place on some other day at some other time. Get real.
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I said that I don't do demonstrations because I find them a waste of time.
If somebody else thinks they're valuable, good for them.
Backtracking. (That's not what you said, nor how you said it).
OK.
Whatever.
Now I'm left to guess which sinkspur believes which words the two sinkspurs said.
Edited to add.......the words are here in black and white. Others can decide if you actually said what you said you thought here...
I'm going to bed.
Good night, sink. Hope you can sleep with that conscience of yours.
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Oh, quit slinging that BS around, Sinky. Rappy didn't post anything that she hasn't already told you to your face--or have you forgotten all the 401K discussion that's already taken place here this past week?
And as for your "Rapunzel is the face of GOPBR" BS--you've already said, in so many words since your initial Cruz tantrum here, that this place is pretty much kookville-- is THAT because of Rapunzel too?
Rappy?
GOPBR is not kookville, but there are kooks here. Just witness the thread tonight on Breitbart's death.
You were on that thread, were you not?
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Backtracking. (That's not what you said, nor how you said it).
OK.
Whatever.
Now I can guess which sinkspur believes which words he said........
Nope. No backtracking. You want to demonstrate, knock yourself out.
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One person's "Kook" is another person's idyl discussion. Of course, given you think Glenn Beck is a kook, Sarah Palin is a kook, Ted Cruz is a kook - Mike
lee is a "kook" call me a "kook" all you want.
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Nope. No backtracking. You want to demonstrate, knock yourself out.
Yeah............right.
Keep that conscience cloudy, sink.
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But it's my opinion that to trust anyone who is a liberal when it comes to things about America, is folly.
They do NOT want the same things. Leftists want America to lose its heritage of freedom and become a massive government with loss of individual liberty.
I have an honest question for you. Do you think liberals all have a nefarious plot to cheapen the values of the United States and ruin this country in any way they can? Do you feel that average, everyday people that tend to have left ideas (me) are not actually interested in making the United States a better place and improving the lives of the people that live here? Regardless of me disagreeing with you (and many posters here), I still respect the fact that you are good, well intentioned people that have your own viewpoint and are just as interested in making the world a better place as I am.
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One person's "Kook" is another person's idyl discussion. Of course, given you think Glenn Beck is a kook, Sarah Palin is a kook, Ted Cruz is a kook - Mike
lee is a "kook" call me a "kook" all you want.
I didn't call you anything. Didn't you post that Breitbart thread that asserts he was assassinated?
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Yeah............right.
Keep that conscience cloudy, sink.
My conscience is absolutely clear, lady.
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Rappy?
GOPBR is not kookville, but there are kooks here. Just witness the thread tonight on Breitbart's death.
You were on that thread, were you not?
Yeah I was, so what? I posted the Lame Cherry thing, which I admit was kooky, but the suspicions that Brietbart might not have died of natural causes is not kooky, at least not in my opinion.
You seem to have a blind trust of authority figures (medical examiners in this case). Conversely, some of us are willing to entertain the notion that no one is infallible, including medical examiners, and that there is room for error in forensic medicine.
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I didn't call you anything. Didn't you post that Breitbart thread that asserts he was assassinated?
I sure did.... frankly right now I am not willing to dismiss anything, that is how scary our government has become. They depend on people (like you) though who dismiss everything as "kookie."
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Yeah I was, so what? I posted the Lame Cherry thing, which I admit was kooky, but the suspicions that Brietbart might not have died of natural causes is not kooky, at least not in my opinion.
You seem to have a blind trust of authority figures (medical examiners in this case). Conversely, some of us are willing to entertain the notion that no one is infallible, including medical examiners, and that there is room for error in forensic medicine.
Insurance payments and judicial decisions are based on the expert opinions of medical examiners. I notice that Breitbart's family is not contesting the opinion of the Medical Examiner. What anyone else thinks is beside the point.
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Insurance payments and judicial decisions are based on the expert opinions of medical examiners. I notice that Breitbart's family is not contesting the opinion of the Medical Examiner. What anyone else thinks is beside the point.
I guess you missed the part where the Medical Examiner in the Breitbart case also died soon thereafter - under "mysterious" circumstances.
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-investigating-breitbart-s-coroner-s-mysterious-death
Police investigating Breitbart's coroner’s mysterious death
Police investigating Breitbart's coroner’s mysterious death
April 29, 2012
When conservative Andrew Breitbart died unexpectedly on March 1, there were thoughts that he died under suspicious circumstances. Now, police and medical examiners in Los Angeles are investigating the suspicious death of one of the coroners who may have been working on the Breitbart case.
Andrew Breitbart was a favorite among conservatives and republicans due to his insight reporting on liberals, President Obama, and anything that pertained to the Democratic Party as well as corruption within the party ranks.
On April 21, the Los Angeles County coroner's office officially stated that Breitbart died of heart failure stemming from coronary disease.
Now, authorities are saying that Los Angeles County coroner's official, Michael Cormier, appears to have died from poisoning, possibly arsenic poisoning.
It isn’t clear if Cormier personally worked on the Breitbart case although he died on the same day when news broke of what caused the death of Breitbart.
A point of interest was observed by WND, is that Sheriff Joe Arpaio had announced a probable cause for forgery in President Obama’s birth certificate on the same day that Breitbart died.
The LA Examiner’s office and police are still investigating and toxicology results on Mr. Cormier will take five to six weeks.
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http://www.inquisitr.com/228831/breitbart-coroner-dies-of-poisoning-what/
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I guess you missed the part where the Medical Examiner in the Breitbart case also died soon thereafter - under "mysterious" circumstances.
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-investigating-breitbart-s-coroner-s-mysterious-death
Police investigating Breitbart's coroner’s mysterious death
Police investigating Breitbart's coroner’s mysterious death
April 29, 2012
When conservative Andrew Breitbart died unexpectedly on March 1, there were thoughts that he died under suspicious circumstances. Now, police and medical examiners in Los Angeles are investigating the suspicious death of one of the coroners who may have been working on the Breitbart case.
Andrew Breitbart was a favorite among conservatives and republicans due to his insight reporting on liberals, President Obama, and anything that pertained to the Democratic Party as well as corruption within the party ranks.
On April 21, the Los Angeles County coroner's office officially stated that Breitbart died of heart failure stemming from coronary disease.
Now, authorities are saying that Los Angeles County coroner's official, Michael Cormier, appears to have died from poisoning, possibly arsenic poisoning.
It isn’t clear if Cormier personally worked on the Breitbart case although he died on the same day when news broke of what caused the death of Breitbart.
A point of interest was observed by WND, is that Sheriff Joe Arpaio had announced a probable cause for forgery in President Obama’s birth certificate on the same day that Breitbart died.
The LA Examiner’s office and police are still investigating and toxicology results on Mr. Cormier will take five to six weeks.
Why am I not surprised that a conspiracy theorist would think this was important, and that the same conspiracy theorist would reference Joe Arpaio's birther finding in the very same post?
Conspiracies everywhere.
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So now we add Sheriff Joe to your list of "kooks?"
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Conversely, some of us are willing to entertain the notion that no one is infallible
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So now we add Sheriff Joe to your list of "kooks?"
I read that he's a birther. If he is, he's a kook.
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I read that he's a birther. If he is, he's a kook.
Let me get this right. "You read" therefore it is a fact. Check.
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I have an honest question for you. Do you think liberals all have a nefarious plot to cheapen the values of the United States and ruin this country in any way they can? Do you feel that average, everyday people that tend to have left ideas (me) are not actually interested in making the United States a better place and improving the lives of the people that live here? Regardless of me disagreeing with you (and many posters here), I still respect the fact that you are good, well intentioned people that have your own viewpoint and are just as interested in making the world a better place as I am.
Good and reasonable post, LS. And while I despise liberalism's "solutions" to societal problems—government social engineering—I don't despise the people (fellow Americans) who think those wrongheaded ideas. Instead, I wish only bring them to my side, to convince them that the answers to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are all in the Constitution. All we need do is follow the course set by the framers.
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My conscience is absolutely clear, lady.
Good.
I suppose if it's all a game to you and you're not trying to be honest and straightforward, then that makes sense.
I personally would love to have a serious discussion with you, but you always come back with drippingly condescending sarcasm making it completely impossible to voice either agreement or disagreement and expect respectful responses.
If you think it's alright to do that to serious people here, and it doesn't bother your conscience, who am I to judge?
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I have an honest question for you. Do you think liberals all have a nefarious plot to cheapen the values of the United States and ruin this country in any way they can? Do you feel that average, everyday people that tend to have left ideas (me) are not actually interested in making the United States a better place and improving the lives of the people that live here? Regardless of me disagreeing with you (and many posters here), I still respect the fact that you are good, well intentioned people that have your own viewpoint and are just as interested in making the world a better place as I am.
Sorry, Liberal. I owe it to you to explain that, once you proved on that very long thread the other day, that you were no more than a troll (or at best, bull-headedly unteachable and inculcated with leftist lies), I made a decision not to respond to anything you've said.
Had you been honest and straightforward, and responded to all the correction of your dishonest postings, I would have thought differently..................but you didn't.
I'll answer this question, and this will be the last time I do....
There are only two choices if you advocate liberalism.....
1. You are either part of the nefarious plot to destroy the values of America.
2. Or you are willfully ignorant of the nefarious plot of the left to destroy everything America stands for.
Whether you are in the first category, and a paid troll, or in the second category, a willfully ignorant, bull-headed lackey doesn't really matter. What you believe will destroy the greatest country on earth, and I despise what you advocate. (Not you. Your dangerous moral and political philosophy).
THEREFORE, there is no reason for me to waste my time discussing the miniscule parts of issues on which we may have a mild agreement. In the big picture, you either want America as it was founded to be destroyed, or you don't give a rip.
And I'm not really interested in finding "common ground" with a person whose values are so violently opposed to my own, and the values of patriots throughout the history of this grand experiment called AMERICA.
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Had you been honest and straightforward, and responded to all the correction of your dishonest postings, I would have thought differently..................but you didn't.
Much of the "correction of my dishonest posting" was simply other people explaining their drastically different ideas of how the world works, what the problems are, and how to fix them. If I neglected to respond to a post it was because I didn't feel any constructive conversation would have come out of taking the conversation that way. I'm not interested in taking arguments to the point where we are name calling and trying to belittle each other.
I am one person on these forums with drastically different opinions than many of the posters, posting my ideas and then being picked apart by an entire forum's worth of people. I can't respond to and defend against every single post people throw at me. Also, to be honest, some of the posts I just flat out, completely ignore, because the tone it took (and many of your posts were like this) felt overly aggressive towards me. I'm not interested in participating in a conversation where I am being treated like trash.
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If I neglected to respond to a post it was because I didn't feel any constructive conversation would have come out of taking the conversation that way. I'm not interested in taking arguments to the point where we are name calling and trying to belittle each other.
That's a crock.
You refused to admit that the propaganda you were posting was false.
Multiple times.
THAT, my young man, is why it isn't worth any of our time in seeking "common ground."
Unless you engage in intellectual honesty about your political beliefs and their fundamental dishonesty, there's no point.
Good luck. Maybe some day you'll actually want to learn something.
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If I neglected to respond to a post it was because I didn't feel any constructive conversation would have come out of taking the conversation that way. I'm not interested in taking arguments to the point where we are name calling and trying to belittle each other.
That's a crock.
You refused to admit that the propaganda you were posting was false.
Multiple times.
THAT, my young man, is why it isn't worth any of our time in seeking "common ground."
Unless you engage in intellectual honesty about your political beliefs and their fundamental dishonesty, there's no point.
Good luck. Maybe some day you'll actually want to learn something.
Your idea of "intellectual honesty" seems to mean having the same opinion as you, and seeing things the way you do. I've posted nothing that I felt was propaganda. Why would any rational person believe something, knowing that it was false and intellectually dishonest? That isn't logical at all, and isn't the way my mind works.
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Your idea of "intellectual honesty" seems to mean having the same opinion as you, and seeing things the way you do. I've posted nothing that I felt was propaganda. Why would any rational person believe something, knowing that it was false and intellectually dishonest? That isn't logical at all, and isn't the way my mind works.
That's the question you need to ask yourself, leftist. Why DO you believe things that are false and intellectually dishonest? Why DO you refuse to analyze the propaganda you've been fed and regurgitate it here?
As for the first part of your comment about me. Yet another leftist CROCK.
LOTS of people disagree with me, and I'm just fine with discussing issues with them.
Just not people who fundamentally agree with a philosophy that will DESTROY America. (That would be YOU).
You're amusing, if nothing else, Lib.
But not honest, and either too stupid to know it, or too closed-minded to care......... and therefore this final discussion is OVER.
Go back to whatever website it is, or professor you have, or buddies in the dorm you hang out with who put you up to this transparent prank.
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Any chance of a chill pill here?
musiclady is someone I respect immensely. We don't agree on everything, by any stretch, but she has spent a long time and a lot of thought coming to her conclusions on life, politics and how the world works. And she is not one of these people who decides, slathers the decision in 7 layers of concrete and calls it good. She does and will examine evidence and modify her stance based on that. She is one of the few people I have ever seen on forums admit she is wrong with both grace and humility. (OK, it happened once, but impressed me)
You must be willing to do the same. It's a fair request, right? No need to exaggerate. No need to spin talking points. You see the world the way you see the world. Nothing at all wrong with that. If we were all the same we'd be ants, not people.
Just relax.
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That little exchange suggests why conservatism is losing ground. It seems unable and/or unwilling to make a calm, respectful case for why it is the better alternative.
Calling your opponent names, be it "dishonest" or "socialist" or "communist" or "not an American" has not worked, to advance the conservative cause.
You do not educate, persuade, convince somebody to your positions, by name calling.
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That little exchange suggests why conservatism is losing ground. It seems unable and/or unwilling to make a calm, respectful case for why it is the better alternative.
Calling your opponent names, be it "dishonest" or "socialist" or "communist" or "not an American" has not worked, to advance the conservative cause.
You do not educate, persuade, convince somebody to your positions, by name calling.
The reason conservatism is losing ground (IF it is) is because the left IS dishonest.
And it owns the media, popular culture, and education. There are a whole slew of kids coming out of colleges, and young people inculcated with media/cultural propaganda who cannot think for themselves.
There were multiple people who tried to persuade this young liberal that what he had been told and was regurgitating was wrong, posting all manner of information, photographs, facts, in a very polite manner, but he blithely ignored them, and continued posting in an intellectually dishonest manner.
You cannot 'educate' a person who has come here to divide, t_s.
And it is not honest to sugar coat the evil of today's leftist philosophy to make friends with someone who isn't the slightest bit interested in finding out the truth.
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I hope we find common ground with LS--who I assume votes on the left. I want to hear his ideas, his take on issues. I think the only way to get what I want--the return to a constitutional republic--is to find common ground with voters on the left who agree with me that DC is stepping on liberty like never before. I have no doubt that many on the left think government has gotten too big, too intrusive. And Mr. Spy appears to agree, has said as much.
Talking to people who agree with me won't expand the circle of folks who might possibly make a difference in the voting booth. Regarding politics, I'm not looking to join a choir but rather to form a jazz ensemble. Many different voices, but with the same aim: make beautiful music. (Ouch! Sorry)
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Regarding politics, I'm not looking to join a choir but rather to form a jazz ensemble. Many different voices, but with the same aim: make beautiful music. (Ouch! Sorry)
Sorry? Excellent metaphor actually.
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Questions which remain unresolved....
As a feminist who abhors racism, I still want to know why liberals support racist government policies, abortion, which destroys women (not to mention that more babies killed are female),
I want to know why liberals blindly support misogynist, abusive (and homophobic) Islam, and are forcing that on our schools.
I want to know why liberals want to keep blacks down and thinks of them as lesser people than whites.
I want to know why liberals are not bothered by the slaughter of young black men by each other.
I want to know why liberals cry "RACIST!" at every turn, and ignore the overt racism of their own philosophies.
I want to know why liberals are trying to take away religious liberty and silence Christians.
I want to know why liberals want to take away the right to defend ourselves by keeping and bearing arms, by taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
And in keeping with the subject of this thread, I want to know why liberals hate veterans, why they are targeting them in this faux shut down, and why they support swat teams' coming after WWII veterans with billy clubs.
Many of these questions have already been asked to our young liberal here, but he has refused to answer any of them.
THAT.......is intellectual dishonesty.
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I hope we find common ground with LS--who I assume votes on the left. I want to hear his ideas, his take on issues. I think the only way to get what I want--the return to a constitutional republic--is to find common ground with voters on the left who agree with me that DC is stepping on liberty like never before. I have no doubt that many on the left think government has gotten too big, too intrusive. And Mr. Spy appears to agree, has said as much.
Talking to people who agree with me won't expand the circle of folks who might possibly make a difference in the voting booth. Regarding politics, I'm not looking to join a choir but rather to form a jazz ensemble. Many different voices, but with the same aim: make beautiful music. (Ouch! Sorry)
You are more than free to talk with him, and try to find "common ground," aligncare.
But I read enough liberal gobbledy gook elsewhere, and am not the least bit interested in dialoguing with someone I don't know why I should trust in the first place.
I've been on too many websites with too many leftist disruptors (some of whom pretend to be kind and open, but are just as nasty when push comes to shove as the overt nasties are), to trust a guy like this to be telling the truth about anything.
At first I just had some healthy skepticism that he wasn't genuine, but after the thread the other day, it became obvious (to me) as to why he was here and what he was trying to do, and it wasn't the least bit genuine.
If there are a few of you who want to pick his brain and find out what's going on in there, I don't mind. (I have no authority anyway).
I just don't want him posting his propaganda directly to me.
The dissonance of liberalism, with its goals that are hostile to America, is too negative, even in jazz, my friend. :beer:
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Regarding politics, I'm not looking to join a choir but rather to form a jazz ensemble. Many different voices, but with the same aim: make beautiful music. (Ouch! Sorry)
Sorry? Excellent metaphor actually.
Only a good metaphor if you ignore 20th and 21st century choral music with its tone clusters, polytonality, and various and sundry 'differences' in sound.
I participated in singing the St. Luke Passion of Penderecki at Carnegie Hall, and the first chord is a dilly! :laugh:
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Questions which remain unresolved....
As a feminist who abhors racism, I still want to know why liberals support racist government policies, abortion, which destroys women (not to mention that more babies killed are female),
I want to know why liberals blindly support misogynist, abusive (and homophobic) Islam, and are forcing that on our schools.
I want to know why liberals want to keep blacks down and thinks of them as lesser people than whites.
I want to know why liberals are not bothered by the slaughter of young black men by each other.
I want to know why liberals cry "RACIST!" at every turn, and ignore the overt racism of their own philosophies.
I want to know why liberals are trying to take away religious liberty and silence Christians.
I want to know why liberals want to take away the right to defend ourselves by keeping and bearing arms, by taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
And in keeping with the subject of this thread, I want to know why liberals hate veterans, why they are targeting them in this faux shut down, and why they support swat teams' coming after WWII veterans with billy clubs.
Many of these questions have already been asked to our young liberal here, but he has refused to answer any of them.
THAT.......is intellectual dishonesty.
1.) Liberals support a woman's right to have an abortion because it is believed among the left community that a woman should have ultimate say over her body. This one is ironic to me, because the right wing likes to talk about how much of a drain poor people with lots of kids are on society, but at the same time want to take away their ability to have abortions, and even limit their access to contraceptives that would keep women from getting pregnant in the first place. We completely disagree on your assertion that this policy is racist.
2.) We completely disagree on your assertion that liberals and the left wing support Islam and the indoctrination of children. The left is interested in the complete separation of church and state, and I know for a fact that I have never met or heard of a liberal that claims to support the empowering of middle eastern religions over Christianity.
3.) I can't speak for all liberals, but the ones I talk to are interested in the poor black communities in this country being rehabilitated and helped to get to the point where they don't need so much government assistance. Saying black people should be willing and able to take care of themselves is true, but the fact of the matter is right now a lot of them DO need things like food stamps. Saying they need to be taught to take care of themselves doesn't change the fact that there are young black people starving and dying at this very moment, incapable of getting the life experience needed to become functioning members of society. Part of the reason these communities are so downtrodden is because being poor and making bad decisions is easy to do when that's what you've grown up around, and that is all you know.
When a young black person can't find a job to feed himself/his family, it probably sounds really nice to be able to sell some drugs and live worry free, which is honestly part of the reason I am so against the war on drugs. I feel the illegal drug selling market disproportionately effects and hurts black communities, because people with less money and less opportunities (as they see it) are more apt to start participating in illegal activity. This is how we get to a place where 1 in 3 black men either are or have been in prison.
4.) What specifically are you talking about here? Are you talking about gangs and gang warfare? My stance against the war on drugs would significantly cripple gangs because illegal drugs are where they get all of their funding, are how they buy all of their weapons, and is what leads to altercations and violence between gangs.
5.) We completely disagree on racism being a huge part of liberalism. I just don't see it, and we have a complete, fundamental disagreement there.
6.) I will admit that the left wing may seem harsh on Christians, but as far as politics go, they simply seek the complete separation of church and state. Any reasonable liberal will not tell you he has a problem with you going to church, praying, and practicing your religion. I feel all people should believe whatever it is that makes the universe makes sense to them, and that nobody should try to stop them from doing that.
7.) I am a liberal and I am completely against limiting our right to bear arms. I think making firearms illegal will empower the black market in the same way keeping drugs illegal does. When something that a lot of people want is illegal, people that are willing to break the law will make a lot of money off of selling that product.
8.) As a liberal, I do not hate, and in fact AM a veteran. I'm completely against the militarization of the police, and am disgusted by the way the government has used them against civilians.
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... some common ground. The rest? Not so much....
(I see patients today. This is as much of a response as I have time for now)
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The ultimate control a woman has over her body argument is bull. In this day and age birth control is Chris ad plentiful. You claim to have a young child. Did YOU look at the 3D Ultrasound of that baby? Would YOU have killed that baby in the womb after seeing it in there moving around, sucking its thumb, etc. And more... did you by any stretch happen to follow the Gosnell trial or read the Grand Jury transcript or the photos submitted at trial? Are you aware one of the male reporters who attended the trial and had the exact same attitude as you became pro-life as a result of what he sat through in that court room.
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That young black man should finish school and learn to speak proper English. Watch some of the Judge Judy cases if you don't know what I'm talking about. Even her black bailiff rolls his eyes and shakes his head.
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The ultimate control a woman has over her body argument is bull. In this day and age birth control is Chris ad plentiful. You claim to have a young child. Did YOU look at the 3D Ultrasound of that baby? Would YOU have killed that baby in the womb after seeing it in there moving around, sucking its thumb, etc. And more... did you by any stretch happen to follow the Gosnell trial or read the Grand Jury transcript or the photos submitted at trial? Are you aware one of the male reporters who attended the trial and had the exact same attitude as you became pro-life as a result of what he sat through in that court room.
I personally would never try to have my child aborted, but I respect that sometimes people are in situations where they feel that is their only option. I don't think a person should be able to tell a woman "You will have this baby, and there is nothing you can do about it" because I feel there are ALWAYS going to be special cases with extraordinary circumstances to consider. I hate that young people irresponsibly have sex, and then jump straight into having an abortion because they don't want to take care of the baby, but that doesn't result in me thinking abortion should never be an option.
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That young black man should finish school and learn to speak proper English. Watch some of the Judge Judy cases if you don't know what I'm talking about. Even her black bailiff rolls his eyes and shakes his head.
That isn't easy to do when local schools don't get the funding or the staff to properly educate young black people.
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The reason conservatism is losing ground (IF it is) is because the left IS dishonest.
And it owns the media, popular culture, and education. There are a whole slew of kids coming out of colleges, and young people inculcated with media/cultural propaganda who cannot think for themselves.
There were multiple people who tried to persuade this young liberal that what he had been told and was regurgitating was wrong, posting all manner of information, photographs, facts, in a very polite manner, but he blithely ignored them, and continued posting in an intellectually dishonest manner.
You cannot 'educate' a person who has come here to divide, t_s.
And it is not honest to sugar coat the evil of today's leftist philosophy to make friends with someone who isn't the slightest bit interested in finding out the truth.
I'm going to disagree. It wasn't much different, when I graduated college in 1973 on the 8 year program. I was married, a father, and a vet. I came from a GOP household but was an idealistic young lliberal--voted for McGovern.
But that quickly changed, because conservatism was making a case. In 1976 Milton Friedman's series was in the public domain.
Conservatism put in an effort to convince, convert, persuade people. I was quickly convinced, by my formal business-economics education, on the job, and by people like Friedman, and Reagan.
Friedman and Reagan didn't win people over by dismissing them, calling them names. They treated them with respect, on the assumption they were voters, and they needed votes to win and take back political power.
Such simple human and political insight seems to have left the stage. But it is vital if conservatism is to stand a chance.
Demonstrating the fallacy of Obamacare is a good place to start. Showing how it cannot work without forcing people to buy sommething they don't want, at prices they cannot easily afford.
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As I said, liberal gobbledy gook I can read and hear anywhere.
I don't need to debate it on a conservative forum.
Liberal's saying that killing one's own baby is having "ultimate control of [a woman's] body," and what follows in point one is proof positive, that he is so indoctrinated that he cannot be salvaged.
Abortion abuses women and a baby is a different human being, not part of the mother's body.
Liberals don't care.
The truth is irrelevant.
Intellectual dishonesty from a leftist, in its most brutal and ugliest form.
Right here on a conservative forum.......
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That isn't easy to do when local schools don't get the funding or the staff to properly educate young black people.
Care to document where the schools are that don't get enough funding or have enough staff "to properly educate young black people."
We’ve put together this infographic that compares the United States’ education spend and performance versus eleven countries. The U.S. is the clear leader in total annual spending, but ranks 9th in Science performance and 10th in Math.
[emphasis added]
http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
There has never been a time in recent U.S. history when government (federal, state, and local) has stopped "investing" in education. From the 1929-30 school year, the first on which comprehensive data are available, to the 1986-87 school year, total real expenditures per pupil in American public schools rose by 500 percent.(2) More recently, total real expenditures shot up from $2,229 per pupil in 1965-66 to $4,206 per pupil 20 years later, an 89 percent hike. Keep in mind that this increase was after inflation, meaning that actual buying power available to schools almost doubled during that period. Real spending in the 1980s, during all the Reagan-era cuts we hear so much about, actually grew at a faster rate--21 percent between 1981-82 and 1986-87--than in the previous decade, when it increased by "only" 16 percent.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa126.html
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I'm going to disagree. It wasn't much different, when I graduated college in 1973 on the 8 year program. I was married, a father, and a vet. I came from a GOP household but was an idealistic young lliberal--voted for McGovern.
But that quickly changed, because conservatism was making a case. In 1976 Milton Friedman's series was in the public domain.
Conservatism put in an effort to convince, convert, persuade people. I was quickly convinced, by my formal business-economics education, on the job, and by people like Friedman, and Reagan.
Friedman and Reagan didn't win people over by dismissing them, calling them names. They treated them with respect, on the assumption they were voters, and they needed votes to win and take back political power.
Such simple human and political insight seems to have left the stage. But it is vital if conservatism is to stand a chance.
Demonstrating the fallacy of Obamacare is a good place to start. Showing how it cannot work without forcing people to buy sommething they don't want, at prices they cannot easily afford.
Saying that one who espouses liberalism is intellectually dishonest is not calling them a name, t_s.
It's pointing out the truth of their position.
And there are plenty of conservative thinkers out there, intellectually defending conservatism and trying to persuade. It's no different than it was in the early 70's in that regard.
But if you think that this fellow can be 'persuaded' I wish you luck in doing so.
I want no part of it, because he has already evidenced that he, himself, is only interested in arguments that echo his own liberalism.
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As I said, liberal gobbledy gook I can read and hear anywhere.
I don't need to debate it on a conservative forum.
Liberal's saying that killing one's own baby is having "ultimate control of [a woman's] body," and what follows in point one is proof positive, that he is so indoctrinated that he cannot be salvaged.
Abortion abuses women and a baby is a different human being, not part of the mother's body.
Liberals don't care.
The truth is irrelevant.
Intellectual dishonesty from a leftist, in its most brutal and ugliest form.
Right here on a conservative forum.......
You demanded for days that I respond to those questions, and when I finally get around to doing it you say "liberal gobbledy gook" and say you don't need to debate it.
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You demanded for days that I respond to those questions, and when I finally get around to doing it you say "liberal gobbledly gook" and say you don't need to debate it.
Write a good term paper. I'm sure you'll get an A.
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I said that I don't do demonstrations because I find them a waste of time.
If somebody else thinks they're valuable, good for them.
The demonstration at the intersection of Devonshire and State streets in downtown Boston would have been called a waste of time by the Boston Newspaper and by the townspeople if not for 4 of those demostrators lying dead in the street that got peoples attention. Praying that will never happen in the demostations of today, but there is a spark, you have to be blind not to see it. And with Devine help that little spark will ignite something much bigger, that will God I pray wake people up.
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That isn't easy to do when local schools don't get the funding or the staff to properly educate young black people.
That is baloney and liberal hype. In fact the schools get more funding now than ever and one reason "good" teachers do not teach in black neighhoods is the violence in they are subjected to in these schools... in fact Washington DC belies your entire post here... before Obama was elected they had "school vouchers" in DC and kids who actually WANTED to learn and WANTED to get a good education under the then head of their school district were going to good schools and the taxpayers were paying for them to go... in comes Obama and Democrat control of both the senate and congress and the FIRST thing they did was defund the DC school voucher program and returned their bright black kids to mediocre, failing schools full of drugs and violence. Some of the parents complained, not enough did and the next election the person who had actually been making progress in DC schools lost her job.
Nope, the biggest problem in these schools is the problems we have in Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc., liberal policies and too many parents who are absentee, druggies, and could care less if their kids go to school - much less a GOOD school... this is where you need to wake up and face up to failing liberal policies in this country. I suggested to you a week ago there is a book on exactly how Detroit went from a thriving city to the ruin that exists today....
I STRONGLY recommend you read this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Detroit-An-American-Autopsy-ebook/dp/B008EKOP1I/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381777419&sr=1-1&keywords=detroit+an+american+autopsy
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I personally would never try to have my child aborted, but I respect that sometimes people are in situations where they feel that is their only option. I don't think a person should be able to tell a woman "You will have this baby, and there is nothing you can do about it" because I feel there are ALWAYS going to be special cases with extraordinary circumstances to consider. I hate that young people irresponsibly have sex, and then jump straight into having an abortion because they don't want to take care of the baby, but that doesn't result in me thinking abortion should never be an option.
So that means you didn't follow the Gosnell trial, read the transcripts from the Grand Jury or view the photos?
Are you aware that a huge percentage of women who have an abortion are never able to bear a child in the future? And if a woman doesn't want to care for a baby in the womb so she kills it - then you must be okay with a woman who decides she doesn't want to care, after all, for her newborn infant in killing it, too? The decision to have sex comes with responsibilities and that includes taking care of any child resulting from said sexual escapade. Are not ready or don't want a baby - don't have sex or at least use birth control. Abortion is not birth control.
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3.) I can't speak for all liberals, but the ones I talk to are interested in the poor black communities in this country being rehabilitated and helped to get to the point where they don't need so much government assistance. Saying black people should be willing and able to take care of themselves is true, but the fact of the matter is right now a lot of them DO need things like food stamps. Saying they need to be taught to take care of themselves doesn't change the fact that there are young black people starving and dying at this very moment, incapable of getting the life experience needed to become functioning members of society. Part of the reason these communities are so downtrodden is because being poor and making bad decisions is easy to do when that's what you've grown up around, and that is all you know.
When a young black person can't find a job to feed himself/his family, it probably sounds really nice to be able to sell some drugs and live worry free, which is honestly part of the reason I am so against the war on drugs. I feel the illegal drug selling market disproportionately effects and hurts black communities, because people with less money and less opportunities (as they see it) are more apt to start participating in illegal activity. This is how we get to a place where 1 in 3 black men either are or have been in prison.
All city schools here are state-of-the-arts new schools, including Senior HS. They were built to improve images and grades, and haven't done either. I admit, in some areas, the school districts don't have as much money, but there are districts who are productive on less money. Two of my sons coach kids' sports. One son's team is nearly all black. Sometimes, the kids don't show up for practice or even the games. Other times, a few kids will ride bikes from the other side of town to get to the games. Where are the parents? My other son coaches in a township. Most of the kids are white, and you can't find parking places when you go to their games. When parents don't care, neither do their children. It's the exceptions my son works with.
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That is baloney and liberal hype. In fact the schools get more funding now than ever and one reason "good" teachers do not teach in black neighhoods is the violence in they are subjected to in these schools... in fact Washington DC belies your entire post here... before Obama was elected they had "school vouchers" in DC and kids who actually WANTED to learn and WANTED to get a good education under the then head of their school district were going to good schools and the taxpayers were paying for them to go... in comes Obama and Democrat control of both the senate and congress and the FIRST thing they did was defund the DC school voucher program and returned their bright black kids to mediocre, failing schools full of drugs and violence. Some of the parents complained, not enough did and the next election the person who had actually been making progress in DC schools lost her job.
Nope, the biggest problem in these schools is the problems we have in Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc., liberal policies and too many parents who are absentee, druggies, and could care less if their kids go to school - much less a GOOD school... this is where you need to wake up and face up to failing liberal policies in this country. I suggested to you a week ago there is a book on exactly how Detroit went from a thriving city to the ruin that exists today....
I STRONGLY recommend you read this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Detroit-An-American-Autopsy-ebook/dp/B008EKOP1I/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381777419&sr=1-1&keywords=detroit+an+american+autopsy
Nearly half of the funding for public schools in the United States is provided through local taxes, generating large differences in funding between wealthy and impoverished communities. Those "good" teachers are scared off by the violence in those areas that comes from a group of people disproportionately effected by the war on drugs. Poor black people grow up around other poor black people that make bad decisions, and the problem continues to perpetuate itself. When a kid has been poor his entire life and a group of kids (a gang) offers to take him along and show him the good life, do you see how that can be so hard for young black people to turn down? They get addicted to the money and lifestyle of doing and selling drugs, and then they ultimately end up rotting in prisons. We need to legalize and regulate drugs, as well as treating junkies for their problem, rather than demonizing them and throwing them in prison.
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You are making excuses for the victim mentality and parents and a willing liberal dominated government perpetuating that mentality.
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Nope, the biggest problem in these schools is the problems we have in Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc., liberal policies and too many parents who are absentee, druggies, and could care less if their kids go to school - much less a GOOD school... this is where you need to wake up and face up to failing liberal policies in this country.
Inner cities are proof positive liberalism is bankrupt. Every major metropolitan city is 'rat owned. How well are inner city schools and businesses working out for them?
New York is about to make the same mistake it always makes in the mayoral race by electing one more liberal candidate, Bill di Blasio. What's worse is this guy is not just a liberal, he's a Marxist. New Yorkers are in for a rude awakening when their property, school and sales taxes skyrocket under di Blasio, while criminal gangs roam the streets and squeegee guys again descend on their cars at intersections. Edit: just as they did under Dinkins.
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You are making excuses for the victim mentality and parents and a willing liberal dominated government perpetuating that mentality.
Totally agree. :beer:
If growing up poor, the sort of grinding poverty where you have no idea where the next meal is coming from not "I don't have a widescreen TV," is an excuse for gang behavior and rejecting an education, I should be in prison or dead by now. My son in law should be a drug king pin (or dead) by now. Of course, we didn't have food stamps etc then - they were available but my parents would rather have starved than go on the dole. It was seen as something to be ashamed of.
It used to drive me wild when I was teaching. Some kids - predominantly black, I hate to say - simply refused to learn. Full stop. They would attend class and disrupt it until they got thrown out.
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So that means you didn't follow the Gosnell trial, read the transcripts from the Grand Jury or view the photos?
Are you aware that a huge percentage of women who have an abortion are never able to bear a child in the future? And if a woman doesn't want to care for a baby in the womb so she kills it - then you must be okay with a woman who decides she doesn't want to care, after all, for her newborn infant in killing it, too? The decision to have sex comes with responsibilities and that includes taking care of any child resulting from said sexual escapade. Are not ready or don't want a baby - don't have sex or at least use birth control. Abortion is not birth control.
Unfortunately to the left it is. Murdering a child to them is still just "removing unwanted tissue" from women and girls.
And to the left abortion is also "healthcare."
That's why the two sides of the debate will never find agreement. And we cannot concede to their bullying tactics, nor lies either.
The left believes that murdering babies and maiming women is a good thing.
That's an 'irreconcilable difference.'
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The left believes that murdering babies and maiming women is a good thing.
That's hyperbole if I've ever seen it.
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That's hyperbole if I've ever seen it.
Actually, it's not.
There is nothing that will bring out the fierce anger of the left more than protecting the unborn.
And there is nothing that they will so gleefully overlook than the harm that abortion does women.
What you believe about abortion is the polar opposite of what is true, scientifically and morally.
That's why there is no such thing as "common ground" with a pro-abortion leftist.
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I grew up poor, and never considered blaming anyone else, nor giving up. Instead, I proved I was as good as the rich kids by making good grades, being good at sports, and having a sense of humor, along with being nice to everyone. Those kinds of things rub off on others. I have nine brothers and sisters who did the same thing. My parents taught us to be respectful, and we certainly didn't want to disappoint them.
When the topic of abortion came up, Mom would get upset that someone could even think of killing a baby, let alone actually doing it. She made it clear that each of us were wanted from the time she realized she was pregnant. Baby one came in January 1946, when Mom was 17 1/2. Baby two came in Dec. 1946, when Mom was 18. I'm baby three who came in Dec. 1947, and twins were born in Nov. 1948. That's five kids in two calendar years, yet we were well cared for. She had five more, filling our small house.
Which ones should she have killed by today's standards? The nurses, or the teacher, or social worker? All of us contribute to society, but today, families are paid not to do their share.
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My take on abortion is the same as William Jefferson Clinton's take. Legal, safe and rare. That last word tends to get misplaced more often than not by pro abortionists.
There are times an abortion is appropriate, in my opinion. Cases of incest, rape and the life of the mother. That's it, and I want those to be handled cleanly and safely.
Otherwise - well, you made a baby, so deal with your choices.
Edit to add - the you means both parents - not just the woman.
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Legal, safe and rare
A platitude as empty as the womb of an aborted woman.
Clinton didn't mean it anymore than does any other ProDeath Liberal. It's uttered merely for public relations as the Democrats recognize the American people are not comfortable with the reality of abortion.
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True. Clinton may not have meant it.
I do. Plus it is fun to throw his words in the faces of the pro-aborts.
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My take on abortion is the same as William Jefferson Clinton's take. Legal, safe and rare. That last word tends to get misplaced more often than not by pro abortionists.
There are times an abortion is appropriate, in my opinion. Cases of incest, rape and the life of the mother. That's it, and I want those to be handled cleanly and safely.
Otherwise - well, you made a baby, so deal with your choices.
Edit to add - the you means both parents - not just the woman.
I agree with what you've said here. The extraordinary situations are my main concern. I don't even have a problem with standard abortions not being covered by health insurance.
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Legal, safe and rare
A platitude as empty as the womb of an aborted woman.
Clinton didn't mean it anymore than does any other ProDeath Liberal. It's uttered merely for public relations as the Democrats recognize the American people are not comfortable with the reality of abortion.
The United States has some of the most egregiously "liberal" policies on abortion of any country in the world.
The reason for that is that the left has controlled the dialogue and made such empty platitudes part of the misguided thinking of an unsuspecting people. The left has blocked any medical safeguards for women because it cannot bear the thought of saving the life of one precious baby.
The reality of abortion is horror. The reality of its negative effects on women is horrible as well.
And the left will do anything in its power to make sure that no one knows the truth about this slaughter (though ultra-sounds have scientifically proven that they are outright liars), and that every one of us who is crying out to save these lives is a nutcase.
Abortion is the sacred cow of the left, and they will do almost anything to make sure that this horror is not minimized in any way.
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The United States has some of the most egregiously "liberal" policies on abortion of any country in the world.
Abortion is available on demand almost everywhere in Europe.
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True. Clinton may not have meant it.
I do. Plus it is fun to throw his words in the faces of the pro-aborts.
NO one on the left has ever meant it.
They are, as you say, PRO abortion.
The word "choice" is a complete deception.
The words "safe" and "rare" outright lies.
If abortions in America were restricted to cases of incest and rape, the PRO death left would be out there screaming bloody murder that women were not being given "choice."
They advocate evil.
Period.
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Abortion is available on demand almost everywhere in Europe.
Lie.
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Lie.
Fact, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law#European_Union
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We agree completely, Music Lady, save for this one statement: made such empty platitudes part of the misguided thinking of an unsuspecting people.
I regret to say I do not think Americans are unsuspecting in the slightest. They know what they are doing and what abortion is. Sadly, though, they accept and repeat such meaningless phrases as "Legal, safe and rare" as a rationalization for accepting the murder of babies in the womb and as a salve to their consciences.
The ProDeathers have shown themselves to be remarkably adept at creating empty slogans used by them and the public to excuse what they are doing.
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Liberals get all in a twist about Sarah Palin as governor having wolves culled because the wolves were destroying the Caribu population - and in Alaska they depend on wild game and fish as a major protein source - yet will go out and march for their right to kill unborn human babies.
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Fact, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law#European_Union
NO. It's not. (wiki??? Are you kidding me??? Does your prof let you use that lame source in your class??)
I'll help you out in your ignorant state.
They are legal in most countries in the first trimester, and they are much restricted in the second (life, health of mother) and NOT legal in late term pregnancy as they are here.
America has some of the most egregiously LIBERAL abortion laws in the world.
(BAD idea to think you know what you're talking about among people who are factually up to speed).
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We agree completely, Music Lady, save for this one statement: made such empty platitudes part of the misguided thinking of an unsuspecting people.
I regret to say I do not think Americans are unsuspecting in the slightest. They know what they are doing and what abortion is. Sadly, though, they accept and repeat such meaningless phrases as "Legal, safe and rare" as a rationalization for accepting the murder of babies in the womb and as a salve to their consciences.
The ProDeathers have shown themselves to be remarkably adept at creating empty slogans used by them and the public to excuse what they are doing.
I'm afraid you're right about that, and I concede the point.
They are rationalizing the unthinkable by using those platitudes to assuage their own guilt that they have never opposed the murder of the unborn.
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Liberals get all in a twist about Sarah Palin as governor having wolves culled because the wolves were destroying the Caribu population - and in Alaska they depend on wild game and fish as a major protein source - yet will go out and march for their right to kill unborn human babies.
One of the reasons leftists hate Sarah Palin with a passion, is that she DARED give birth to an 'imperfect" child who should, by their standards have been aborted.
And that, worse than that, she dared LOVE that child.
She has done the unthinkable in a leftist's perverted sense of justice.
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One of the reasons leftists hate Sarah Palin with a passion, is that she DARED give birth to an 'imperfect" child who should, by their standards have been aborted.
And that, worse than that, she dared LOVE that child.
She has done the unthinkable in a leftist's perverted sense of justice.
You're right. And anyone who follows their family on Facebook sees how loved that child is by their entire family... and he is clearly thriving as a result of their love.
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NO one on the left has ever meant it.
They are, as you say, PRO abortion.
The word "choice" is a complete deception.
The words "safe" and "rare" outright lies.
If abortions in America were restricted to cases of incest and rape, the PRO death left would be out there screaming bloody murder that women were not being given "choice."
They advocate evil.
Period.
I have to admit, I always struggle with that twisting of words by the pro-aborts. In a time of reliable and effective contraceptives, why should someone who does not wish to be pregnant get pregnant in the first place?
Why put it all on the woman? It takes two to tango and the man has an equal responsibility for a pregnancy.
If a woman chooses not to get pregnant - fine by me. I am pro that choice. If she and he chooses to not take precautions, why should an innocent life suffer for her (and his) carelessness?
When you say they advocate evil - I agree. There is NOTHING more evil than giving up personal responsibility for your own actions.
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Fact, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law#European_Union
OK............I'll give you your leftist wiki, and use it for more accurate information to counter your lie.....
Here......
Abortion Law in Europe
Abortion is legal in nearly every European country although there is a wide variation in the restrictions under which it is permitted. Although nearly every European country makes abortion available on demand during the first trimester, when it comes to later-term abortions, there are very few with laws as liberal as those of the United States. Restrictions on abortion are most stringent in countries that are more strongly observant of the Catholic faith.
Most countries in the European Union allow abortion on demand during the first trimester. After the first trimester, abortion is allowed only under certain circumstances, such as risk to woman’s life or health, fetal defects or other specific situations that may be related to the circumstances of the conception or the woman’s age. For instance, in Austria, second trimester abortions are allowed only if there is a serious risk to physical health of woman (that cannot be averted by other means); risk to mental health of woman (that cannot be averted by other means); immediate risk to life of woman (that cannot be averted by other means); serious fetal impairment (physical or mental); or if the woman is under 14 years of age.
Some countries, such as Denmark, allow abortion after the first trimester for a variety of reasons, including socioeconomic ones, but a woman needs an authorization to have such an abortion.
It should be noted that the access to an abortion in much of Europe depends not as much on the letter of the law, but on the prevailing social views which lead to the interpretation of the laws. For instance, in parts of Europe, laws which allow a second trimester abortion due to mental health concerns (when it is deemed that the woman’s psychological health would suffer from the continuation of the pregnancy) have come to be interpreted very liberally, while in other conservative areas it is difficult to have a legal abortion even in the early stages of the pregnancy due to the policy of conscientious objection, under which doctors are allowed to refuse to perform an abortion if it is against their moral or religious convictions.
Malta is the only European country that bans abortion in all cases, and does not have an exception for situations where the woman’s life is in danger. The law however is not strictly enforced in relation to instances where a pregnancy endangers the woman’s life (see Abortion in Malta).
In Ireland abortion is illegal with the exception of cases where a woman’s life is endangered by the continuation of her pregnancy. The same is true for Andorra.
With the exception of Poland, former communist countries have liberal abortion laws. Poland is a country with a very strict abortion law, and where it is also very difficult to have a legal abortion. Abortion is allowed only in cases of risk to the life or health of the woman, when the pregnancy is a result of a criminal act (the criminal act has to be confirmed by a prosecutor), or when the fetus is seriously malformed. A doctor who performs an abortion which is deemed to not have a legal basis is subject to criminal prosecution, and, out of fear of prosecution, doctors avoid abortions, except in the most extreme circumstances.
Most European countries have laws which stipulate that minor girls need their parents’ consent or that the parents must be informed of the abortion. In most of these countries however, this rule can be circumvented if a committee agrees that the girl may be posed at risk if her parents find out about the pregnancy, or that otherwise it is in her best interests to not notify her parents. The interpretation in practice of these laws depends from region to region, as with the other abortion laws.
In countries where abortion is illegal or restricted, it is common for women to travel to neighboring countries with more liberal laws. It was estimated in 2007 that over 6,000 Irish women travel to England to have abortions every year.
Source: wiki/Abortion_law
Even wiki knows you're lying.
SHAME on you.
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I have to admit, I always struggle with that twisting of words by the pro-aborts. In a time of reliable and effective contraceptives, why should someone who does not wish to be pregnant get pregnant in the first place?
Why put it all on the woman? It takes two to tango and the man has an equal responsibility for a pregnancy.
If a woman chooses not to get pregnant - fine by me. I am pro that choice. If she and he chooses to not take precautions, why should an innocent life suffer for her (and his) carelessness?
When you say they advocate evil - I agree. There is NOTHING more evil than giving up personal responsibility for your own actions.
I'd say the greater evil is brutally ending the lives of millions upon millions of innocent babies.
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Liberals get all in a twist about Sarah Palin as governor having wolves culled because the wolves were destroying the Caribu population - and in Alaska they depend on wild game and fish as a major protein source - yet will go out and march for their right to kill unborn human babies.
I never got mad at Mrs. Palin for hunting wolves.
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OK............I'll give you your leftist wiki, and use it for more accurate information to counter your lie.....
Here......
All I said was that most of Europe allows abortion on demand. That's all I said, and you called me a liar. I didn't lie.
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You're right. And anyone who follows their family on Facebook sees how loved that child is by their entire family... and he is clearly thriving as a result of their love.
One of the greatest evils of abortion is that nine out of ten.....NINE out of TEN.........Down's Syndrome babies are slaughtered in the womb.
They are loving children, and a joy to their families.
I firmly believe that America will pay for this, the darkest, blackest spot in our country's history.
We're going to pay.....
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All I said was that most of Europe allows abortion on demand. That's all I said, and you called me a liar.
Oy.
You are desperate, aren't you? **nononono*
The facts about America's egregious pro-death laws because of leftists (like you), stands, your little game of deceit notwithstanding.
Europe is a FAR safer place for a child in the womb than America is.
And it's thanks to people JUST LIKE YOU that babies are at such great risk here.
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It's most instructive to see the game this hard-core liberal is playing.
He's not new to this internet charade of innocent nice guy......
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Oy.
You are desperate, aren't you? **nononono*
The facts about America's egregious pro-death laws because of leftists (like you), stands, your little game of deceit notwithstanding.
Europe is a FAR safer place for a child in the womb than America is.
And it's thanks to people JUST LIKE YOU that babies are at such great risk here.
I've already explained that my stance on abortion is not nearly as extreme as some. I'm not going to explain my position on this again.
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I've already explained that my stance on abortion is not nearly as extreme as some. I'm not going to explain my position on this again.
You're right.
You've already tried to justify a hard-core pro-abortion stance.
I'm glad you're not going to try to explain it again.
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You've already tried to justify a hard-core pro-abortion stance.
I did nothing of the sort. I am much less hard-core than a lot of liberals when it comes to abortion.
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I did nothing of the sort. I am much less hard-core than a lot of liberals when it comes to abortion.
Don't you have World History homework to do? Or work work? Or a one-year-old child to look after? Or are you on SSI?
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I am much less hard-core than a lot of liberals when it comes to abortion.
Well, that's good news. I take it you believe babies should only be killed up to, say, 3 months in the womb, or some other standard, but not beyond?
How humane of you.
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Don't you have World History homework to do? Or work work? Or a one-year-old child to look after? Or are you on SSI?
This is an off topic personal attack, and coming from the poster that was getting on me for not staying on topic in threads I posted in. I've been polite to you; can you not return the same courtesy? I've had civil conversations with a lot of posters here, even the ones that very much disagree with just about everything I say.
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I am much less hard-core than a lot of liberals when it comes to abortion.
Well, that's good news. I take it you believe babies should only be killed up to, say, 3 months in the womb, or some other standard, but not beyond?
How humane of you.
I think the world is not black and white enough to say a woman should never be allowed to have an abortion. There are always extraordinary circumstances.
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This is an off topic personal attack, and coming from the poster that was getting on me for not staying on topic in threads I posted in. I've been polite to you; can you not return the same courtesy? I've had civil conversations with a lot of posters here, even the ones that very much disagree with just about everything I say.
You're right. Because you are annoying as hell, and providing nothing of substance we all have not already heard from liberals for decades. Grow up. Go get educated and parent your child.
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Grow up. Go get educated and parent your child.
I'm in the process of doing all three, thanks.
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I think the world is not black and white enough to say a woman should never be allowed to have an abortion. There are always extraordinary circumstances.
Human life is not a black and white issue for you? How interesting. As to "extraordinary circumstances" ProDeathers have stretched that idea so far it has become meaningless.
Please note you failed to answer my question about your "standard" when it comes to terminating a baby's life. Do you really have one?
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I think the world is not black and white enough to say a woman should never be allowed to have an abortion. There are always extraordinary circumstances.
Human life is not a black and white issue for you? How interesting. As to "extraordinary circumstances" ProDeathers have stretched that idea so far it has become meaningless.
Please note you failed to answer my question about your "standard" when it comes to terminating a baby's life. Do you really have one?
I think any mother that wants to terminate a pregnancy should have to still be early in the pregnancy, and should have to speak with a professional to determine if she has good reasons to terminate the pregnancy. I think any woman that becomes impregnated from rape should have the option of terminating the pregnancy.
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"Terminate the pregnancy" = Kill the baby.
Such euphemisms are used to disguise the reality of what leftists really want......
Dead babies.
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"Terminate the pregnancy" = Kill the baby.
Such euphemisms are used to disguise the reality of what leftists really want......
Dead babies.
Thank you. A bit of clarity in the terms used is always welcome. Though I might phrase it more strongly.
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"Terminate the pregnancy" = Kill the baby.
I assumed everybody knew that.
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I am much less hard-core than a lot of liberals when it comes to abortion.
Well, that's good news. I take it you believe babies should only be killed up to, say, 3 months in the womb, or some other standard, but not beyond?
How humane of you.
He still hasn't acknowledged that, because of pro-deathers like himself, America has some of the most horrific pro-abortion laws in the world.
His "humanity" is all a sham.
There is NO humanity in a leftist pro-abortion position, as there is NO humanity in their anti-woman position, nor their racism, nor their desire to keep people in poverty.
There is NO humanity in the liberal world view.
It's all smoke and mirrors.
And lies.
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I assumed everybody knew that.
Yes, but in your game of deceit you didn't say what you meant.
Here's what you meant.....
I think any mother that wants to kill her baby should have to still be early in the pregnancy, and should have to speak with a professional to determine if she has good reasons to murder her baby. I think any woman that becomes impregnated from rape should have the option of kill the innocent child.
You see..........if you actually said what you meant, we'd all know that you're ugly on the inside.
Just like every pro-abortion leftist.
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we'd all know that you're ugly on the inside.
I don't feel ugly on the inside. I don't think you're ugly on the inside, either.
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He still hasn't acknowledged that, because of pro-deathers like himself, America has some of the most horrific pro-abortion laws in the world.
His "humanity" is all a sham.
There is NO humanity in a leftist pro-abortion position, as there is NO humanity in their anti-woman position, nor their racism, nor their desire to keep people in poverty.
There is NO humanity in the liberal world view.
It's all smoke and mirrors.
And lies.
It's worse. It's a mental illness. At the very least, an on-set of psychosis.
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Musiclady, my friend. Call it by it's real name.
Murder.
For my own beliefs - Rape: first trimester with a police report of the rape. Incest: 5 months (reporting that is hard and hidden, so cutting some slack). Danger to the mother: first trimester.
Anything else - no.
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I don't feel ugly on the inside. I don't think you're ugly on the inside, either.
Advocating killing unborn babies is ugly.
It doesn't matter in the least how you "feel."
It's what IS.
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It's worse. It's a mental illness. At the very least, an on-set of psychosis.
No argument there.
Unless you go a step further and attribute the mental illness to moral sickness.
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How about getting off the topic of abortion? All of us are pro life, but one. No minds will be changed, and it's not worth the effort to argue our side on this issue. Let's wait for an abortion thread, and let it all hang out! :beer:
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Sorry happy! :beer:
Button issue for a lot of us.
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Musiclady, my friend. Call it by it's real name.
Murder.
For my own beliefs - Rape: first trimester with a police report of the rape. Incest: 5 months (reporting that is hard and hidden, so cutting some slack). Danger to the mother: first trimester.
Anything else - no.
Danger to the mother almost never happens, and that is always acceptable, if the woman's life will be lost to save the baby's.
The problem is that the evil left has changed the word "life" to "health," and for them "health" includes "mental health" and that might mean, "I'd feel a lot healthier mentally if I took a trip to the Bahamas, so I think I'll murder my baby."
Then the abortionist says, "Yeah, sure. When do you want to schedule your vacation?"
And the baby is murdered at their convenience.
It's beyond sick that this is happening.
And the fact that there is someone posing as a nice guy on this forum advocating it is deeply disturbing.
DEEPLY disturbing.
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How about getting off the topic of abortion? All of us are pro life, but one. No minds will be changed, and it's not worth the effort to argue our side on this issue. Let's wait for an abortion thread, and let it all hang out! :beer:
I've said my peace, and I'll be good!
Promise!! :dx1:
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No argument there.
Unless you go a step further and attribute the mental illness to moral sickness.
Pure evil. Orchestrated, foretold and with a conclusion. It is said to be a surprise to many...
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How did a thread about veterans end up on abortion....
happy is right...arguing abortion on this site is a mute point...I maybe wrong but I think there are two people here that approve of murdering babies...call it what you will it is murder....get back on the subject of the thread please...
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Pure evil. Orchestrated, foretold and with a conclusion. It is said to be a surprise to many...
I'll bring it back to the subject of the thread, and say that there's evil involved in the hatred of the military and our veterans by the left as well.
We're dealing with dark forces in America, and it rears its ugly head in every aspect of liberalism.
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I've said my peace, and I'll be good!
Promise!! :dx1:
:xedfingers:
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:xedfingers:
I ALWAYS live up to my promises.
(Well..................mostly, anyway!)
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I ALWAYS live up to my promises.
(Well..................mostly, anyway!)
hehehe
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,116455.new.html#new
For anyone who wants to continue the discussion.
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A society that embraces aborting life, as a choice, will easily embrace aborting honor, respect, decency and gratitude for those that have given life, limb and treasure to protect life. Witness the topic.
Cause and effect.
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Pure evil. Orchestrated, foretold and with a conclusion. It is said to be a surprise to many...
Truest assertion I have read today. Thank you.
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We agree completely, Music Lady, save for this one statement: made such empty platitudes part of the misguided thinking of an unsuspecting people.
I agree Cincy. They know they're murdering babies they just don't want to deal with the alternative course of action: Take responsibility and raise the kid.