The Briefing Room

General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Applewood on January 09, 2019, 09:33:02 pm

Title: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Applewood on January 09, 2019, 09:33:02 pm
Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch

Quote
President Trump walked out of a White House meeting with congressional leaders Wednesday afternoon over the partial government shutdown after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi again rejected supporting new funding for a border wall, according to those in the meeting.

Speaking to reporters after the brief session, New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, said the “president just got up and walked out."

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

More at:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-walks-out-of-meeting-after-speaker-pelosi-rejects-border-wall (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-walks-out-of-meeting-after-speaker-pelosi-rejects-border-wall)

Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 09:37:13 pm
Quote
“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

LMAO...I don't blame him..why waste your time listening to more of the same..
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 09, 2019, 09:39:10 pm
"Democrats saying they won’t entertain the discussion until Congress passes and Trump signs a package re-opening shuttered federal agencies."

Put it on Billboards.

"Democrats care about the Swamp, not you and your family."
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Bigun on January 09, 2019, 09:43:51 pm
LMAO...I don't blame him..why waste your time listening to more of the same..

 :amen:
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Jazzhead on January 09, 2019, 09:48:54 pm
Good for the President.  His time is more valuable than engaging with these assclowns.   A deal means give and take - the Dems won't give; they only want to take.   Even as Trump has reduced his border security demand from $25 billion to $5.7 billion.   
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Sanguine on January 09, 2019, 09:53:09 pm
LMAO...I don't blame him..why waste your time listening to more of the same..

Same here.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 09:54:51 pm
"Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!"
President Trump
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 09:55:34 pm
Here's the President's actual quote @mystery-ak


Quote

Donald J. Trump

Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083099784012091396?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: austingirl on January 09, 2019, 10:02:51 pm
Trump did a great thing. Don't cave.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: bilo on January 09, 2019, 11:36:12 pm
"Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!"
President Trump

I think all sides know a national emergency is going to be declared. I'm sure the Rats will figure the shutdown will be ended then and they can get an injunction from a liberal judge to stop the military from building the wall. FWIW, if I was Trump I would continue the shutdown until all the court issues are resolved. Fight this war with the Rats on two fronts.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: libertybele on January 10, 2019, 01:24:00 am
I think all sides know a national emergency is going to be declared. I'm sure the Rats will figure the shutdown will be ended then and they can get an injunction from a liberal judge to stop the military from building the wall. FWIW, if I was Trump I would continue the shutdown until all the court issues are resolved. Fight this war with the Rats on two fronts.

A liberal judge would of course order an injunction, but he would have to rule that Trump doesn't have authority over the military and as Commander in Chief he does.  I don't think any judge can stop him; otherwise this will go all the way to the SCOTUS.  Does Trump have the Constitutional authority to order the military?  Hands down yes!
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: truth_seeker on January 10, 2019, 02:21:01 am
It is past time, for the Usual Suspect weak Republicans to start giving in.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 10, 2019, 02:23:18 am
Same here.   :shrug:

I don't blame him either.  Good for him.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 10, 2019, 02:51:26 am
A liberal judge would of course order an injunction, but he would have to rule that Trump doesn't have authority over the military and as Commander in Chief he does.  I don't think any judge can stop him; otherwise this will go all the way to the SCOTUS.  Does Trump have the Constitutional authority to order the military?  Hands down yes!
It would be difficult for the Rats to invoke the Posse Comitatus Act against a construction project. Not a police action, so, exempt. If the President chooses this course of action, I don't think the Dems have a card to play.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 10, 2019, 02:04:38 pm
Quote
Donald J. Trump
Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

Cryin Chuck told his favorite lie when he used his standard sound bite that I “slammed the table & walked out of the room. He had a temper tantrum.” Because I knew he would say that, and after Nancy said no to proper Border Security, I politely said bye-bye and left, no slamming!

5:24 AM - 10 Jan 2019


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083353895030702080?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: libertybele on January 10, 2019, 02:13:22 pm
It is past time, for the Usual Suspect weak Republicans to start giving in.

They are.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html)
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: libertybele on January 10, 2019, 02:14:14 pm
It would be difficult for the Rats to invoke the Posse Comitatus Act against a construction project. Not a police action, so, exempt. If the President chooses this course of action, I don't think the Dems have a card to play.

It is being reported by CNN that the GOP Senators are caving.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html)
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Jazzhead on January 10, 2019, 02:21:49 pm
It is being reported by CNN that the GOP Senators are caving.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html)

Compromise -  where each side gets something it wants -  is not "caving".   So long as real funding for border security is obtained,  what is the objection to cutting a deal to help the "Dreamers"? 

Problem is, both sides'  extremists consider any such deal to be "caving".   The Dems wouldn't swap border security for Dreamers last year,  so there's little reason to expect they'll do so this year.   Politics in the era of Trump/Pelosi/Schumer is all about who can piss the farthest.    Bottom line is that I like the option of declaring a national emergency and using unallocated military funding to address border security.     
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Sanguine on January 10, 2019, 02:33:49 pm
Compromise -  where each side gets something it wants -  is not "caving".   So long as real funding for border security is obtained,  what is the objection to cutting a deal to help the "Dreamers"? 

Problem is, both sides'  extremists consider any such deal to be "caving".   The Dems wouldn't swap border security for Dreamers last year,  so there's little reason to expect they'll do so this year.   Politics in the era of Trump/Pelosi/Schumer is all about who can piss the farthest.    Bottom line is that I like the option of declaring a national emergency and using unallocated military funding to address border security.   

In this case the other side is on the far, far extreme, so giving in to them is indeed "caving". 
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Bigun on January 10, 2019, 02:36:28 pm
Compromise -  where each side gets something it wants -  is not "caving".   So long as real funding for border security is obtained,  what is the objection to cutting a deal to help the "Dreamers"? 

Problem is, both sides'  extremists consider any such deal to be "caving".   The Dems wouldn't swap border security for Dreamers last year,  so there's little reason to expect they'll do so this year.   Politics in the era of Trump/Pelosi/Schumer is all about who can piss the farthest.    Bottom line is that I like the option of declaring a national emergency and using unallocated military funding to address border security.   

Except with the democrats the game is give us what we want now and see if you can get what you want later! NO thanks!  I've had quite enough of the Lucy and the football crap!
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Jazzhead on January 10, 2019, 02:41:02 pm
In this case the other side is on the far, far extreme, so giving in to them is indeed "caving".

What "giving in"?    We get funding for border security, a matter critical to the GOP base, and they get normalization for "Dreamers",  a matter of interest to their base.   I'd agree, though, that border security is more critical to our base than the Dreamers are to theirs.   The Dems have already shown they don't give a damn about the Dreamers other than as political pawns when they had the chance to deal last year and refused.   The Dems' motivation is at this point is simply to deny Trump a political victory, and to hell with the cost.   

Trump's absolutely right - dealing with the Dems ought to be possible, but in the current climate is a complete waste of time.   Bypass this poisoned process and declare the national emergency, Mr. President.   
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Sanguine on January 10, 2019, 03:04:26 pm
What "giving in"?    We get funding for border security, a matter critical to the GOP base, and they get normalization for "Dreamers",  a matter of interest to their base.   I'd agree, though, that border security is more critical to our base than the Dreamers are to theirs.   The Dems have already shown they don't give a damn about the Dreamers other than as political pawns when they had the chance to deal last year and refused.   The Dems' motivation is at this point is simply to deny Trump a political victory, and to hell with the cost.   

Trump's absolutely right - dealing with the Dems ought to be possible, but in the current climate is a complete waste of time.   Bypass this poisoned process and declare the national emergency, Mr. President.

If that were the actual outcome, I might be persuadable, but that isn't going to be it. 
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Jazzhead on January 10, 2019, 03:13:00 pm
If that were the actual outcome, I might be persuadable, but that isn't going to be it.

So what is your preferred approach - keep the government shut down until the Dems agree to fund border security,  or re-open the government and fund border security unilaterally on the basis of a declared national emergency (and fight the inevitable lawsuits in court)?   

I think I'd rather deal with the courts than Pelosi/Schumer, who lack good faith.  I also like that the declaration of a national emergency relieves GOP members of Congress from having to show their backbone.   
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Bigun on January 10, 2019, 03:20:18 pm
Here's what compromising with democrats looks like!

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49676543_10213629416111681_347296046306557952_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00c85c3498039848871660e4c29a1c53&oe=5CD239EB)
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Sanguine on January 10, 2019, 03:21:41 pm
So what is your preferred approach -
Quote
keep the government shut down until the Dems agree to fund border security,  or re-open the government and fund border security unilaterally on the basis of a declared national emergency (and fight the inevitable lawsuits in court)?
 

I think I'd rather deal with the courts than Pelosi/Schumer, who lack good faith.  I also like that the declaration of a national emergency relieves GOP members of Congress from having to show their backbone.

Yes, either of those options is preferable to being punked by the dems again.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: XenaLee on January 10, 2019, 03:28:35 pm
"Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!"
President Trump

So... what we have here... is an old fashioned Mexican Standoff.  Which begs the question...

which side will blink first.

Any bets?
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Sanguine on January 10, 2019, 03:31:10 pm
So... what we have here... is an old fashioned Mexican Standoff.  Which begs the question...

which side will blink first.

Any bets?

Well....Pelosi appears to be incapable of blinking due to all the work on her face.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 10, 2019, 03:38:16 pm
They are.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/immigration-deal-wall-fight-republican-senators/index.html)

I just posted a thread on Lindsey Graham dealings.  This is more specific could you post this link in that thread?  This is disgusting.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: XenaLee on January 10, 2019, 03:38:49 pm
Well....Pelosi appears to be incapable of blinking due to all the work on her face.

Which... I consider to be an unfair advantage to the rats.  But what's new.   
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: bilo on January 10, 2019, 06:23:07 pm
So... what we have here... is an old fashioned Mexican Standoff.  Which begs the question...

which side will blink first.

Any bets?

I will bet a $50 donation to the GOP Briefing Room that what's going to happen is the following:

Trump declares a national emergency. The Rats find a leftist judge to issue an injunction. The Pubs in the Senate declare that the govt. should be reopened and the issue should be resolved in the courts. Trump ends the shut down and everyone declares victory.

Later of course after Trump loses in 2020 we realize the wall is never going to be built.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: XenaLee on January 10, 2019, 06:29:45 pm
I will bet a $50 donation to the GOP Briefing Room that what's going to happen is the following:

Trump declares a national emergency. The Rats find a leftist judge to issue an injunction. The Pubs in the Senate declare that the govt. should be reopened and the issue should be resolved in the courts. Trump ends the shut down and everyone declares victory.

Later of course after Trump loses in 2020 we realize the wall is never going to be built.

Well, since I have become somewhat of a pessimist politically (at least I admit it)....

I have to say that you're probably correct.  Hope not, though.
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: bilo on January 10, 2019, 06:32:40 pm
Well, since I have become somewhat of a pessimist politically (at least I admit it)....

I have to say that you're probably correct.  Hope not, though.

We have been burned so many times by those that are supposedly fighting for us how can we not be pessimistic?
Title: Re: Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
Post by: XenaLee on January 10, 2019, 07:00:13 pm
We have been burned so many times by those that are supposedly fighting for us how can we not be pessimistic?

Exactly.