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General Category => Science, Technology and Knowledge => Topic started by: rangerrebew on December 09, 2018, 05:28:59 pm
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Scientists rip new federal climate report as ‘tripe’ – ’embarrassing’ – ‘systematically flawed’ – Key claim based on study funded by Steyer & Bloomberg
Climate experts call out new federal report for hiding the decline in hurricanes – ‘Were they thinking, no one would notice?’
Climate expert Dr. Roger Pielke Jr.: The claim of economic damage from climate change is based on a 15 degree F temp increase that is double the "most extreme value reported elsewhere in the report." The "sole editor" of this claim in the report was an alumni of the Center for American Progress, which is also funded by Tom Styer."
Climate analyst Paul Homewood: ‘Cherry picks’ a few bad weather events…extrapolates using the most scary scenarios’
Climatologist Dr. Pat Michaels on the report: ‘Systematically flawed’ – Report ‘should be shelved’
http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/11/25/scientists-trash-new-federal-climate-report-as-tripe-embarrassing-400-page-pile-of-crap-reports-key-claim-based-on-study-funded-by-tom-steyer/ (http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/11/25/scientists-trash-new-federal-climate-report-as-tripe-embarrassing-400-page-pile-of-crap-reports-key-claim-based-on-study-funded-by-tom-steyer/)
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Scientists rip new federal climate report as ‘tripe’ – ’embarrassing’ – ‘systematically flawed’ – Key claim based on study funded by Steyer & Bloomberg
Climate experts call out new federal report for hiding the decline in hurricanes – ‘Were they thinking, no one would notice?’
Climate expert Dr. Roger Pielke Jr.: The claim of economic damage from climate change is based on a 15 degree F temp increase that is double the "most extreme value reported elsewhere in the report." The "sole editor" of this claim in the report was an alumni of the Center for American Progress, which is also funded by Tom Styer."
Climate analyst Paul Homewood: ‘Cherry picks’ a few bad weather events…extrapolates using the most scary scenarios’
Climatologist Dr. Pat Michaels on the report: ‘Systematically flawed’ – Report ‘should be shelved’
http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/11/25/scientists-trash-new-federal-climate-report-as-tripe-embarrassing-400-page-pile-of-crap-reports-key-claim-based-on-study-funded-by-tom-steyer/ (http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/11/25/scientists-trash-new-federal-climate-report-as-tripe-embarrassing-400-page-pile-of-crap-reports-key-claim-based-on-study-funded-by-tom-steyer/)
In other words... it's just more of the same and usual BS, bogus propaganda that spews forth from the idiot left. But we knew that.
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Can’t wait to see @Dexter ignore this one too...
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In other words... it's just more of the same and usual BS, bogus propaganda that spews forth from the idiot left. But we knew that.
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While academic credentials eg."college degrees", are a modern
fad, at least in their early period, Academia had a sense of integrity,
valuing truth but no longer.
The academic world is filled w/frauds, hustlers, liars and jackasses;
peddling bullshit and propaganda whether in the Arts or Sciences.
Long past time parents acquainted themselves w/this reality.
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Can’t wait to see @Dexter ignore this one too...
Ping me when the vast majority of climate scientists don't believe that humans are contributing to the warming of the Earth. I'm sure Climate Depot is fair and nonpartisan, but for me it's really just about the sheer number that believe one thing over the other. You're never going to get me to think I know better than scientists do. I don't think the skeptics should be ignored. I just think scientists should be hashing out these disagreements, not us. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. I believe 99% of y'all have the position that you do because this has been turned into a partisan issue. You taunt me and claim I won't think for myself, but Republicans are all just coincidentally on the same page when it comes to this. Why not take a position on complex quantum physics disagreements while you're at it? *****rollingeyes*****
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Ping me when the vast majority of climate scientists don't believe that humans are contributing to the warming of the Earth. I'm sure Climate Depot is fair and nonpartisan, but for me it's really just about the sheer number that believe one thing over the other. You're never going to get me to think I know better than scientists do. I don't think the skeptics should be ignored. I just think scientists should be hashing out these disagreements, not us. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. I believe 99% of y'all have the position that you do because this has been turned into a partisan issue. You taunt me and claim I won't think for myself, but Republicans are all just coincidentally on the same page when it comes to this. Why not take a position on complex quantum physics disagreements while you're at it? *****rollingeyes*****
@Dexter
No I ping you out of courtesy because that’s what we’re aupposed to do. I actually don’t give a shit what you think because you’ve shown yourself to have absolutely no intellectual honesty and thus zero credibility.
You were invited to read an article i posted the other day that spoke to some educated individuals who disagree with your beloved scientists. And you elected to not even acquaint yourself with those facts. Jus like dollars to donuts, I’d wager you didn’t bother to read this article.
You’re just another bargain basement troll who is incapable of speaking to anything that contradicts your climate zealotry.
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You’re just another bargain basement troll who is incapable of speaking to anything that contradicts your climate zealotry.
Unlike you I haven't taken an absolute position on this issue. I just think the discussion should be left to the scientists. If you don't care what I think then don't ping me to these threads. You certainly won't change my mind by becoming increasingly rude and hostile. I get that you don't understand how I can possibly see things the way I do. That's fine. There's no need to get mean about it. I am just some dude on the internet.
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Ping me when the vast majority of climate scientists don't believe that humans are contributing to the warming of the Earth. I'm sure Climate Depot is fair and nonpartisan, but for me it's really just about the sheer number that believe one thing over the other. You're never going to get me to think I know better than scientists do. I don't think the skeptics should be ignored. I just think scientists should be hashing out these disagreements, not us. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. I believe 99% of y'all have the position that you do because this has been turned into a partisan issue. You taunt me and claim I won't think for myself, but Republicans are all just coincidentally on the same page when it comes to this. Why not take a position on complex quantum physics disagreements while you're at it? *****rollingeyes*****
Who cares what they believe? Since when was climate science supposed to be a religion? What matters is what they can prove, and to date they have been unable to prove that humanity is causing, or is even a significant contributor to, global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it.
Bring on some proof, some evidence. The quasi-religious beliefs of these “scientists†do not count as either.
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Hey friends and countrymen, *WE* are paying for this bullshit:
The U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) is a Federal program mandated by Congress to coordinate Federal research and investments in understanding the forces shaping the global environment, both human and natural, and their impacts on society.
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Hey friends and countrymen, *WE* are paying for this bullshit:
Maybe part of it. The rest we're leaving as debt for the I Want Free Spit generation.
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Who cares what they believe? Since when was climate science supposed to be a religion? What matters is what they can prove, and to date they have been unable to prove that humanity is causing, or is even a significant contributor to, global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it.
Bring on some proof, some evidence. The quasi-religious beliefs of these “scientists†do not count as either.
You think scientists have no evidence to support their claims?
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You think scientists have no evidence to support their claims?
Yes, that's exactly what we are saying.
It BS piled on more BS.
You fundamentally misunderstand science. Science is not consensus based period. It is evidence based with tests to prove or disprove an idea - something that is completely missing in the current warming religion. Another fundamental element of science is correlation does not prove causation.
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You fundamentally misunderstand science.
Apparently the misunderstanding is shared by the leading scientists in the field as well as every scientific institution on Earth.
:pondering:
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Apparently the misunderstanding is shared by the leading scientists in the field as well as every scientific institution on Earth.
:pondering:
Again, not true. Something you just pulled out of thin air. There are many scientist that disagree with the "consensus".
But that's okay. The truth will come out. And you are young enough to witness it. Hopefully you'll learn something about putting your trust into "experts" from it.
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Ping me when the vast majority of climate scientists don't believe that humans are contributing to the warming of the Earth. I'm sure Climate Depot is fair and nonpartisan, but for me it's really just about the sheer number that believe one thing over the other. You're never going to get me to think I know better than scientists do. I don't think the skeptics should be ignored. I just think scientists should be hashing out these disagreements, not us. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. I believe 99% of y'all have the position that you do because this has been turned into a partisan issue. You taunt me and claim I won't think for myself, but Republicans are all just coincidentally on the same page when it comes to this. Why not take a position on complex quantum physics disagreements while you're at it? *****rollingeyes*****
You've never proven that 97% claim.
And I'm smarter than alot of those scientists. Sorry if that bothers you, but that's the reality. All they have to do is make their case, and I can follow, don't you worry about that.
Not interested in their so-called consensus or credentials, just their arguments.
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You've never proven that 97% claim.
I have explained how it is commonly misunderstood by people on both sides probably a dozen times.
And I'm smarter than alot of those scientists.
Even if that's true you're still not a scientist. You're not more informed about the climate than a climate scientist.
Not interested in their so-called consensus or credentials, just their arguments.
You won't listen to their arguments. You'll call them bullshit and then link me to some click bait website.
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I have explained how it is commonly misunderstood by people on both sides probably a dozen times.
Even if that's true you're still not a scientist. You're not more informed about the climate than a climate scientist.
You won't listen to their arguments. You'll call them bullshit and then link me to some click bait website.
And you still failed to explain it. Or document it.
Being informed doesn't mean you're right, only your argument does so.
And yes, until there is an argument, I call BS. I don't just accept claims and commands.
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I have explained how it is commonly misunderstood by people on both sides probably a dozen times.
Even if that's true you're still not a scientist. You're not more informed about the climate than a climate scientist.
You won't listen to their arguments. You'll call them bullshit and then link me to some click bait website.
Oh the irony... You don't make arguments short of differing to "experts". No thinking on your part...
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And you still failed to explain it. Or document it.
Being informed doesn't mean you're right, only your argument does so.
And yes, until there is an argument, I call BS. I don't just accept claims and commands.
Yeah, you win. It's a hoax dude. The climate scientists and all of the scientific institutions all over the globe are lying to us so governments can use green energy to make the one world government. I am incapable of breaking through the partisan wall that separates you from reality.
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Oh the irony... You don't make arguments short of differing to "experts". No thinking on your part...
You're right. I'm not going to make arguments that are better made by scientists. You should go talk to a climate scientist about it.
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Yeah, you win. It's a hoax dude. The climate scientists and all of the scientific institutions all over the globe are lying to us so governments can use green energy to make the one world government. I am incapable of breaking through the partisan wall that separates you from reality.
And you go walking through the tulip patch all starry eyed pollyanna thinking everything is transparant and pure as the wind driven snow.
Sorry, but you're naive. There are trillions at stake and massive political power, and the whole world eocnomy, and the scientists benefit from the gravy train as much as anyone else.
I know this because my expertise is money and politics, and I know how things work. And the system is very tainted, just like any other system with that amount of money and power at stake is prone to be.
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Who cares what they believe? Since when was climate science supposed to be a religion? What matters is what they can prove, and to date they have been unable to prove that humanity is causing, or is even a significant contributor to, global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it.
Bring on some proof, some evidence. The quasi-religious beliefs of these “scientists†do not count as either.
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It would appear that a welcome conversion has occurred!!!
Religion is a belief system anchored by faith and non-material values while
Science studies the behavior/structure of the material by experiment/observation.
Sadly some cannot discern the difference.
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You think scientists have no evidence to support their claims?
Where is it?
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Where is it?
The Union of Concerned Scientists thinks there's a tremendous amount of evidence.
https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-science (https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-science)
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The Union of Concerned Scientists thinks there's a tremendous amount of evidence.
https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-science (https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-science)
You realize many of their claims are false?
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You realize many of their claims are false?
I don't think there's a conspiracy among the world's climate scientists. If their claims were bogus I'd be hearing a lot about it from more than just the no tricks zone and similar websites.
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I don't think there's a conspiracy among the world's climate scientists. If their claims were bogus I'd be hearing a lot about it from more than just the no tricks zone and similar websites.
Not if they want to keep the money flowing.
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Not if they want to keep the money flowing.
How much money do you think climatologists make? Their jobs are not in danger. They don't need to lie to "keep the money flowing."
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How much money do you think climatologists make? Their jobs are not in danger. They don't need to lie to "keep the money flowing."
You're becoming a one hit wonder. Go look around for something interesting to read and comment on that does not involve AGW or climate science.
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How much money do you think climatologists make? Their jobs are not in danger. They don't need to lie to "keep the money flowing."
You are seriously wrong here. How many climatologists do think would have a job now if it weren't for the man made global warming climate change hysteria? Where do you think all those government grants go and who do you think they work for? It isn't like there's much private enterprise demand for them.
It otherwise wouldn't be the growth industry it is today.
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The Union of Concerned Scientists thinks there's a tremendous amount of evidence.
https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-science (https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-science)
Again, what does religion have to do with evidence and proof?
I don’t care what they believe, I care what they can prove, and so far, they can’t prove the “anthropogenic†part of “AGWâ€.
With the level of “proof†you’re offering, you’d do better pointing to the cult of the spaghetti monster, or the flat earth society.
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How much money do you think climatologists make? Their jobs are not in danger. They don't need to lie to "keep the money flowing."
Seriously? You do know what grant money is, right? You do know how grant money flows, don’t you?
You really are priceless in this regard.
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Again, what does religion have to do with evidence and proof?
I don’t care what they believe, I care what they can prove, and so far, they can’t prove the “anthropogenic†part of “AGWâ€.
With the level of “proof†you’re offering, you’d do better pointing to the cult of the spaghetti monster, or the flat earth society.
Concerned Scientists... It kind of says it all right there... We can't demonstrate actual causation and we can't isolate natural changes from our concerns but we're concerned about it nevertheless and therefore you should do what we say because we have a consensus among us...
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You're becoming a one hit wonder. Go look around for something interesting to read and comment on that does not involve AGW or climate science.
This issue is important to me. It's hard to ignore it when I keep getting pings from people that disagree with me. I am fine with ending the disagreement, but not if tomorrow there's another @Dexter in an AGW skeptic's thread.
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so far, they can’t prove the “anthropogenic†part of “AGWâ€.
They seem to be extremely confident that a lot of evidence points in that direction.
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Seriously? You do know what grant money is, right? You do know how grant money flows, don’t you?
You really are priceless in this regard.
Climatology is an important field regardless of AGW. They are not running a racket. There's a lot more money to be made in proving AGW wrong.
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Climatology is an important field regardless of AGW. They are not running a racket. There's a lot more money to be made in proving AGW wrong.
How so, @Dexter? How would I make money proving AGW wrong?
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How would I make money proving AGW wrong?
I'll start by pointing out that nobody has done that. The skeptics have a different view than the Union of Concerned Scientists. If you could clearly demonstrate what you claim to be true you would be famous. Climatologists are not shrugging off facts that prove their claims false. Every one of them would love to become famous by discovering something that seriously throws AGW into question.
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I'll start by pointing out that nobody has done that. The skeptics have a different view than the Union of Concerned Scientists. If you could clearly demonstrate what you claim to be true you would be famous. Climatologists are not shrugging off facts that prove their claims false. Every one of them would love to become famous by discovering something that seriously throws AGW into question.
Famous does not equal making money.
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Famous does not equal making money.
Name recognition is a very valuable thing. Being immortalized in history books is a very valuable thing. The scientist that proves AGW wrong will not need to worry about money.
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Name recognition is a very valuable thing. Being immortalized in history books is a very valuable thing. The scientist that proves AGW wrong will not need to worry about money.
Fine, even if that's right, there's a crap load of them making dough off proving it correct right now.
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Name recognition is a very valuable thing. Being immortalized in history books is a very valuable thing. The scientist that proves AGW wrong will not need to worry about money.
LOL. What a clown show....
(https://i.imgflip.com/wj9sn.jpg)
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How much money do you think climatologists make? Their jobs are not in danger. They don't need to lie to "keep the money flowing."
Do you understand how the system works?
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Do you understand how the system works?
Obviously not.
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Apparently the misunderstanding is shared by the leading scientists in the field as well as every scientific institution on Earth.
:pondering:
@Dexter
Dexter, what is strange is that I don't see any left leaning tendencies in your posting history outside this climate change debacle.
I know you are young bright individual , but who got to you and brainwashed you? Our schools system? Some mentor?
There is so much evidence being collected now, that this is pure hokum..... I wonder why you are holding on?
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Climatology is an important field regardless of AGW. They are not running a racket. There's a lot more money to be made in proving AGW wrong.
@Dexter
That is incorrect Dexter. It is the opposite. Do you not remember my example a few weeks ago of Dr. Gray of Colorado State?
Before this bull shit, Dr. Gray was considered the leading authority in hurricane prognostication. Once he spoke of the truth of this sham, he was blackballed and cast out like a heretic. Any smart low payed met guy is going to keep his mouth shut, so not to be railed out of the Weather Club.
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@Dexter
Dexter, what is strange is that I don't see any left leaning tendencies in your posting history outside this climate change debacle.
I know you are young bright individual , but who got to you and brainwashed you? Our schools system? Some mentor?
There is so much evidence being collected now, that this is pure hokum..... I wonder why you are holding on?
You've just missed it. He also thinks college should be "free" and that the US should pattern itself after the Scandinavian socialst system.
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You've just missed it. He also thinks college should be "free" and that the US should pattern itself after the Scandinavian socialst system.
Complete with ME refugees?
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S I G H ! ! !
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You've just missed it. He also thinks college should be "free" and that the US should pattern itself after the Scandinavian socialst system.
Looks like I was wrong on two accounts. Bright and not left leaning. Wonder why he posts here?
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Looks like I was wrong on two accounts. Bright and not left leaning. Wonder why he posts here?
To educate all of us neanderthals.
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Complete with ME refugees?
I am probably the most right wing poster on this forum when the discussion turns to immigration.
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Looks like I was wrong on two accounts. Bright and not left leaning. Wonder why he posts here?
T R O L L ! ! !
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Wonder why he posts here?
I like to stress test my beliefs. I can always count on y'all for that.
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T R O L L ! ! !
You are a troll. My presence generates a lot of discussion, and I think there are people other than me that get something positive from it. You follow me around screaming "Troll! Bullshit! Whatever!"
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You are a troll. My presence generates a lot of discussion, and I think there are people other than me that get something positive from it. You follow me around screaming "Troll! Bullshit! Whatever!"
Nope! If I "followed you around" you would know it!
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Anyone remember the Steve Martin bit on smoking pot?
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Nope! If I "followed you around" you would know it!
I exaggerated, but you really aren't contributing anything useful when you call me a troll.
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I exaggerated, but you really aren't contributing anything useful when you call me a troll.
As if your endless circular argument IS contributing something useful! YOU are a joke IMHO!
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YOU are a joke IMHO!
In your humble opinion.
Right...