WTF is he thinking. Is this his impersonator of Romney or Hillary?
Hallelujah! I hope he does and wins! THAT would be justice!
Wouldn't it though?
Yes! It would!
I, for one, am sick and damned tired of the pukes in Washington telling us who we are allowed to elect to represent us there!
:amen:
Actually, the Republican Party is to blame for losing that seat. Ok, so they didn't like Moore. Frankly, neither did I. But he was the party candidate and the party should have done a better job of defending and promoting Moore.
Damn straight. And he is a GOP nightmare... Conservative as the day is long.
He’s a nightmare because he is certain to lose a seat that we can’t afford to serve up to the Left on a silver platter. Plus, he’s a pedophilic perv...so there’s that too.
He’s a nightmare because he is certain to lose a seat that we can’t afford to serve up to the Left on a silver platter.
Plus, he’s a pedophilic perv...so there’s that too.
Oh goodie. More recycled stupidity.
Yeah! Brought to us by the leftist ideologues posting here.
Yeah! Brought to us by the leftist ideologues posting here.
@Bigun
This is why I don’t take politics seriously anymore—it’s become rock-bottom stupid. Conservatives are all about the hive mind now, every bit as much as the left. How dare anyone think for themselves! It doesn’t matter that Moore is a pervert and a creep ( or that he has a history of shady financial crap). You’re supposed to ignore it all because he has an R after his name. Or you’re an eevul socialist plant!!!!
Oh, well. You can call me a leftist based on that all you want. It’s good comedy. But it makes you a clown.
No, brought to us by a vain self-centered religious bigot who was removed from his position as a judge on the Supreme Court of Alabama for refusing to follow a court order.
He also has undeemly personal predilections.
The Republicrats never had anything to do w/principled conservatism. Never!!!
It would be refreshing if the usual suspects grasped that, say once in a lifetime.
Proven false!@Bigun I might be wrong, but I thought he admitted that he was pursuing a relationship with the young lady. Please correct me with evidence if I am wrong.
@Bigun I might be wrong, but I thought he admitted that he was pursuing a relationship with the young lady. Please correct me with evidence if I am wrong.
Not sure which you lady you are referring to @verga but, there was nothing illegal or improper about it regardless of who it was as far as I know. if you have evidence to the contrary please present it.@Bigun
@Bigun
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6068dae8ac (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6068dae8ac)
Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/10/16635442/roy-moore-hannity-interview-sex-allegations (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/10/16635442/roy-moore-hannity-interview-sex-allegations)
And while he called the story “completely false and misleading,†he said he “didn’t dispute†that he used to date girls as young as 16.
But he also conceded that 40 years ago, he “dated a lot of young ladies.â€
@verga
We've seen all of that before and my question still stands. What was done that was remotely illegal or immoral? The norms of forty years ago were different than those of today.
I agree with what you say re: the norms of past days @Bigun .I think he was cleared of the "charges".
Although I understand that he wants to run and win to clear his name I fear that the "big guns" will come out even more determined. They want to be proved right as well.
In a way I admire his guts. It will be up to the voters of Alabama ultimately. I won't be surprised if many of them will be like a lot here....accused is guilty.
@vergaI never said it was illegal, or immoral, but I really have to question his judgment. He was jurist, and should avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
We've seen all of that before and my question still stands. What was done that was remotely illegal or immoral? The norms of forty years ago were different than those of today.
@Bigun I might be wrong, but I thought he admitted that he was pursuing a relationship with the young lady. Please correct me with evidence if I am wrong.
@Bigun I might be wrong, but I thought he admitted that he was pursuing a relationship with the young lady. Please correct me with evidence if I am wrong.You are wrong. All of the women he admitted in the period in question were above the age of consent. If by "the young lady" you mean the 14 year old, he has never claimed such a thing. Your source even says so.
@verga
We've seen all of that before and my question still stands. What was done that was remotely illegal or immoral? The norms of forty years ago were different than those of today.
" Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32."
That is quite simply, disgusting...now, then...North or South...period.
Having been alive and well at that time, I can certainly clarify that that was NOT in line with social norms. Nor would that be much of a defense even if it were...sacrificing captives was a social norm amongst the Aztecs...still not a fan, regardless.
"....Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32."
That is quite simply, disgusting...now, then...North or South...period.
Having been alive and well at that time, I can certainly clarify that that was NOT in line with social norms. Nor would that be much of a defense even if it were...sacrificing captives was a social norm amongst the Aztecs...still not a fan, regardless.
And it is a lie... and NO Roy never admitted to dating her and her story now is hurting because she claimed he took her to his home (but at that time he was either living in his trailer or his home he was building and she will not testify to which it was). She doesn't have her story in tact and now is just trying to get the information out of Roy Moore (but he will not tell her). So she refused to give sworn testimony because none of the lawyers can figure out which story she is going to tell. Was it at trailer she was taken to? Or was it Roy's new house?
The lawsuit Roy has against her is one big waiting game, she hopefully be forced to give testimony without knowing which place Roy was living at (thus a 50% chance she is automatically found a liar). Her lawyers provided by some California liberals are having a cow about Roy not giving her the info to make her lies plausible.
Of course, that is ignoring the other crap thrown at Roy (from false ads) to lies published across the nation that Roy was banned from the local mall (another lie fully debunked).
What ticks me off is the so-conservatives still carrying the water for liberal lies... some right here on this forum.
:amen: it's maddening!
I don't care if Roy runs or not, I am writing his name in no matter.
Roy Moore, a conservative lightening rod who cost the Republican party a Senate seat in deep-red Alabama, is signaling fresh interest in mounting another campaign in 2020,
And the voters of Alabama are the only ones who rightfully have a say in the matter one way or the other @berdie.
How many times do the voters of Alabama have to say "NO!" to Roy Moore? So far it's three, twice for Governor and once for the Senate. Are folks really advocating we go for four?
Stupid really should hurt, badly.
I agree! So long as I get to determine what is or isn't stupid!
Why did you conveniently leave out the words I put back in?
Except for the fact that it never happened, you might have a point. As it is it's nothing more than a political hit job.
How do you know it never happened? The girl involved sure thinks it happened. Dating 16 and 17 year olds when you're in your 30's isn't much better...and spare me the anachronistic defense.
I agree! So long as I get to determine what is or isn't stupid!
How about the first sentence of the article? It’s a lightning rod, not a lightening rod.
I ignore it because I know it to be a flat out LIE not the result of any hive mentality! But you are free to continue allowing the media to tell you what to think!
I agree! So long as I get to determine what is or isn't stupid!
How about the first sentence of the article? It’s a lightning rod, not a lightening rod.
@Bigun
No, you don’t. And you should be ashamed of yourself for smearing people who’ve posted on this forum for years just because they won’t join the tiny minority who insists Moore is innocent.
I really don’t get it. For some of you, it’s like that broke-down crooked pervert is some kind of saint. Totally mystifying.
@Bigun
You just said it was up to the voters in Alabama.
Bigun wrote:
"Hallelujah! I hope he does and wins! THAT would be justice!"
Right on, Bigun.
If I were an Alabaman, I would have happily voted for him last time, and would happily vote for him AGAIN this time, in both the primary and the general !
The pansy hand-wringers in this forum last time Mr. Moore ran were enough to make one heave!
@QueenCatofAragon
Yes! In fact I do know that! Since when does disagreement constitute a smear? And you determining that someone is a " broke-down crooked pervert" on the sole basis of outright lies and innuendo is extremely revealing.
Aaaaaaaargh! You two please don't go there again. Please?
@Bigun
Stop it. My post was in response to your “leftist ideologues posting here†and you know it, so don’t try that “disagreement†mess.
The vast majority understands what Moore is, Bigun.
If you got out beyond this forum and the small group who believe him, you’d see that. Yeah, the yahoos at TOS think he’s a holy martyr. They’re also the type of dumbbells who screech “liberal†at anyone who fails to parrot their views back at them.
When I used to lurk here, I wouldn’t have guessed you’d be part of that number, but...
I agree with what you say re: the norms of past days @Bigun .I think he was cleared of the "charges".
Although I understand that he wants to run and win to clear his name I fear that the "big guns" will come out even more determined. They want to be proved right as well.
In a way I admire his guts. It will be up to the voters of Alabama ultimately. I won't be surprised if many of them will be like a lot here....accused is guilty.
I agree with what you say re: the norms of past days @Bigun .I think he was cleared of the "charges".
Although I understand that he wants to run and win to clear his name I fear that the "big guns" will come out even more determined. They want to be proved right as well.
If I were an Alabaman, I would have happily voted for him last time, and would happily vote for him AGAIN this time, in both the primary and the general !
Except that now Roy Moore is immune. Alabama is gonna be damn well pissed that the charges against him were all proven false, and a liberal got in because of it.
I find it sad that people still don't recognize that tactics of the left. There was a smear campaign against Moore, just like Kavanaugh and others. The way of the left is to accuse the innocent until they are guilty, lie until it's believed true and deny until they are no longer responsible.
Watch as Pelosi gives instruction on the 'Wrap up Smear':
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMJdDwQlcc8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMJdDwQlcc8#)
Then now is the time to run a Republican who can win the statewide election. Moore's had three statewide strikes, three effing strikes and you want to go for four. Let the record show: Two of those strikes came years before the sex charges. Moore simply is not a viable statewide candidate. Period.
Let the man's political career rest in peace.
Then now is the time to run a Republican who can win the statewide election. Moore's had three statewide strikes, three effing strikes and you want to go for four. Let the record show: Two of those strikes came years before the sex charges. Moore simply is not a viable statewide candidate. Period.
Let the man's political career rest in peace.
He was extremely viable until the smear. He was coasting to a big win. So you are wrong.
You are entitled to your own opinions but the facts are the facts and nothing will alter them.
But you don’t know the facts of what that 14 year old went through....just your opinion about it. So what in the hell are you talking about with that inapplicable axiom?
I callum like I seeum! If that upsets you so be it!
I don't care what the vast majority thinks! I'm interested in the TRUTH!
If you think I'm ever going to let you, or anyone else for that matter, continue to get away with smearing what I know to be a good American patriot you are SADLY mistaken!
I find it sad that people still don't recognize that tactics of the left. There was a smear campaign against Moore, just like Kavanaugh and others. The way of the left is to accuse the innocent until they are guilty, lie until it's believed true and deny until they are no longer responsible.
Watch as Pelosi gives instruction on the 'Wrap up Smear':
But you don’t know the facts of what that 14 year old went through....just your opinion about it. So what in the hell are you talking about with that inapplicable axiom?
@libertybele
This is just amazing to me. No, Moore is NOT "just like Kavanaugh and others." If that's how you feel, then you're actually admitting that Republicans can never be guilty of anything--they're always innocent, always framed, always set up. Every time someone with an R behind the name is accused of something, instead of waiting and becoming informed before making up your mind, you just automatically revert to a purely tribalistic position.
We don't do that, or at least we never used to. We take each incident separately and we weigh the information. We think.
Kavanaugh was clearly innocent, he really was set up. Moore's case is completely different.
But you don’t know the facts of what that 14 year old went through....just your opinion about it. So what in the hell are you talking about with that inapplicable axiom?
Then now is the time to run a Republican who can win the statewide election. Moore's had three statewide strikes, three effing strikes and you want to go for four. Let the record show: Two of those strikes came years before the sex charges. Moore simply is not a viable statewide candidate. Period.
This revelation that Corfman was talking with people for months before November 9th 2017 has led some to question her role in the development of the Post story.
Leigh Corfman, who accused Judge Roy Moore of sexual misconduct during the 2017 U.S. Senate election in Alabama, expressed disdain for Christian supporters of Judge Moore calling them “bible thumpers†in text messages exclusively obtained by Big League Politics.
The text messages were revealed as a result of the discovery process in the defamation suit that Corfman brought against Moore for denying her claims of sexual misconduct.
The text messages include conversations between Corfman and her friends, attorneys, and reporters as many as 40 days before the Washington Post story in which the Judge was accused of sexual misconduct.
This revelation that Corfman was talking with people for months before November 9th 2017 has led some to question her role in the development of the Post story.
Corfman, it turns out, had a lot to say in the immediate aftermath of her public accusation that derailed Moore’s U.S. Senate campaign. Texts revealed in the motion suggest that Corfman’s accusations were part of premeditated political operation to disrupt Moore’s campaign, planned for quite some time before she went public with her story, leading some to question whether the claims were organic, or part of a plot to sabotage the Judge.
Interestingly, Corfman still refuses to sit for a deposition in a suit she brought against Judge Moore in which she claimed defamation against Moore for the simple act of disputing her claim.
Hallelujah! I hope he does and wins! THAT would be justice!:amen:
I'd kind of like Moore to run and win, destroying the left's smear tactic, even if he is a pedo[1].If you have to explain what? Lies about the man? Have at. Go for it.
But then, I'm the same sick SOB who has always believed "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" should end up with the town being ravaged by the wolf, because even if the boy has proven himself to be a liar doesn't mean he will always be lying. Yeah, I'm a math major.
[1] If I have to explain...
BS... and you know it...
Both had allegations brought forth in the 11th hour ....
In both cases, the allegations are decades old. Despite both men having served in the public eye for years, neither was accused of any wrongdoing under higher office.
But even more compelling is that in both cases, the accusers were affected by legal rulings related to the men. Moore presided over a divorce case involving one of his accusers, Beverly Nelson — and Kavanaugh’s mother, a judge herself, presided over a foreclosure hearing involving one of Brett Kavanaugh’s accusers.
But despite the particulars, one thing seems clear: Accusations of sexual misconduct, whether true or not, are an effective tactic to derail a candidate — and perhaps a confirmation. And Alabamians have seen it firsthand, and in all its Washington Post/DNC/GOP RINO glory.
BS... and you know it...
Both had allegations brought forth in the 11th hour ....
In both cases, the allegations are decades old. Despite both men having served in the public eye for years, neither was accused of any wrongdoing under higher office.
But even more compelling is that in both cases, the accusers were affected by legal rulings related to the men. Moore presided over a divorce case involving one of his accusers, Beverly Nelson — and Kavanaugh’s mother, a judge herself, presided over a foreclosure hearing involving one of Brett Kavanaugh’s accusers.
But despite the particulars, one thing seems clear: Accusations of sexual misconduct, whether true or not, are an effective tactic to derail a candidate — and perhaps a confirmation. And Alabamians have seen it firsthand, and in all its Washington Post/DNC/GOP RINO glory.
The debate that's happened right here on this thread is the senatorial debate if Moore is the candidate.Like I said earlier in the thread: if Roy Moore wants his redemption tour, he should do what Mark Sanford did and find another seat that isn't so important. This Senate seat is far too important of a race to be wasted on a guy who managed to lose in a seat with an electorate tilted 28% in his party's favor.
Just say no.
You don't see the Democrats running back to Hillary Clinton this time around.
How do you know what I know or don't know? I know a political smear job when I see one and will call it out for what it is every time I see it. You can like it or not. I don't care.
Yeah, tell us the facts @Mesaclone ... Since she herself REFUSES to sit down for a deposition without being told what to say. Just how hard is it for her to say whether it was a trailer or a house she supposably was nearly taken advantage of. She already was burned saying he had a TV when it was proven he didn't have a TV at the time.
You can give facts since you keep even quoting the girl's age wrong... not 14 but 15 y/o she claims.
Lets just say, @Bigun is right, leave it to the voters of Alabama, at least we know the man and his character. Heck I have a folder on my computer with 54 and counting articles I have stored on this story. Roy was screwed by everyone and that includes you TBR members. From Billionaires funding "Project Birmingham" to nuts on FB fabricating mall stories. From guys who lost before Moore (divorce case) who had a gay brother that works at the WAPO (and was married by Ginsburg while the legality was before her court).
https://www.alreporter.com/2019/02/11/moore-corfman-still-refusing-to-give-depositions/ (https://www.alreporter.com/2019/02/11/moore-corfman-still-refusing-to-give-depositions/)
Whether or not Roy Moore decides to run again for the U.S. Senate, I will NOT stand by and watch the man smeared by anyone!
You can put that in your pipe and smoke it!
If he does decide to run I will make a nice contribution to his campaign and otherwise help him in any way that I can! If he doesn't he will remain a genuine American patriot and yes, a HERO in my eyes!
Because the odds of you being in the room with the two of them when the event happened are .00000000000000000001%. And if you weren't in the room, you don't know shit. I'm pretty comfortable with those odds...and I frankly don't give a hoot if you "don't care" or not.
Yes, the Dems conduct political smear jobs. However, that does not mean that all misbehavior is a smear job. This perv admitted to dating teenagers when in his 30's...its a tiny step to the accusation of a young woman that he pursued her when she was 14.
That said, the larger point is this...we KNOW that seat will be won by any decent conservative candidate...who WASN'T trying to date teenage girls while in his 30's....so why in hell would anyone want the seat to be put at risk by a previous loser running for it. The word for that kind of action is stupid. Let's not deliberately choose stupid.
Oh. Well if she was FIFTEEN years old no problem. Nothing wrong with a 32 year old man dating a 15 year old girl...whew!...I thought she was only 14. I guess he's good to go then. And if the girl has a hard time recalling if he molested her in his trailer or his house...with or without a TV...not really shocking that her memory is less than clear on that after so many years, and having undergone such a trauma. I'm not calling for the man's conviction...too much time has passed for a credible prosecution...but that's not the same as saying this didn't happen.
Is Roy Moore the only decent conservative in that entire state? Why the hell would we want to run a guy who's already lost, is buried in this mess from his past, and is almost sure to lose again because of it...whatever the outcome of the accusation by the 15 year old girl. How about we get one of the good conservative candidates WITHOUT this background and run them for an easy win...seems like what any sane conservative would want?
Whether or not Roy Moore decides to run again for the U.S. Senate, I will NOT stand by and watch the man smeared by anyone!
You can put that in your pipe and smoke it!
If he does decide to run I will make a nice contribution to his campaign and otherwise help him in any way that I can! If he doesn't he will remain a genuine American patriot and yes, a HERO in my eyes!
Meanwhile Horizontal Harris, candidate for POTUS, is given a pass for sleeping her way to the top.
Carry on.
If Roy Moore decides to run for the seat again, the primary process will surely reveal the truth surrounding the rumors and smears.
As it is their sole right and duty to do so, the good people voting in the GOP primary of the great state of Alabama will decide.
If Roy Moore decides to run for the seat again, the primary process will surely reveal the truth surrounding the rumors and smears.
As it is their sole right and duty to do so, the good people voting in the GOP primary of the great state of Alabama will decide.
If Moore wins it'll be fun to watch the party of blackface & sexual assault lecture ALA on morality & ethics.
That's right too. If he walks away with the primary AGAIN, everybody whining about his supposed baggage can STFU.
Sure, but if he doesn’t, we won’t have to hear all about how he was railroaded by McConnell, The Swamp, and people here who disagreed. I mean, I’m sure you and others will accept the will of the people and drop it, right?
NOPE. the DOPe will be four-square against him, predictably.
And you can count on me to be right there heckling all the way along - until the DOPe has more Conservatives on balance than RINOs.
I flatly refuse to let the RINO party abscond with the Conservative message only to bury it.
And Judge Roy Moore is incidental to that.
Roy Moore is a fine UPSTANDING gentleman who was smeared by the left and left to hang by the gope he should be running again and i hope he does well and wins this one and can rub it right in the gope faces
Good. Honestly, I wouldn’t expect you to. Conversely, people who know he’d be a frequent target and a poster boy for opposition ads will also have a grievance.
Once again, Roy Moore sucking up all the oxygen. Yaaay...... **nononono*
I'm sorry that standing up for an American patriot bothers you but you might as well get used to it because I'm never going to stop.
Roy Moore got his ass fired for failing to uphold the law. Also, Roy was a Muslim, everybody who is defending this creep would be screaming bloody murder at him.
You're smokin crack.
No where did I say that, or even think that.
Has been for a long time if you ask me.
Judge Roy Moore 'got his ass fired' for standing exactly upon his oath, against all comers, and regardless of consequence.
We need a helluva lot more of that.
YOU are one sick dude!
It just so happens that you don't have clue about what I know or don't know.
Roy Moore is a member of a society that someone like you wouldn't have the most remote clue about! He is a member of the LONG Gray LIne composed of graduates of the United States Military Academy at West Point New York and knows more about Honor and Integrity in a second than YOU will ever know!
He served his county during wartime with honor and distinction and served his state for many years without a HINT of scandal before this 100% smear job arose at the 11th hour of his Senate campaign.
The slugs in Washington greatly fear a man like that and will do anything to prevent him from mixing with them on a daily basis! Thus the smear job and I'm not going to stand for it!
Once again, Roy Moore sucking up all the oxygen. Yaaay...... **nononono*
That's right too. If he walks away with the primary AGAIN, everybody whining about his supposed baggage can STFU.Three words:
Being a West Point grad is no free pass for bad conduct...and rest assured that neither yourself nor Moore know anything more about honor and integrity than any other Vet on this board.
Three words:
Donald.
John.
Trump.
Spare me your blather about honor and integrity. I was commissioned in the Regular Army and did it the hard way...up through the ranks to include serving as an NCO in combat...before earning my bars. I'll put THAT code of honor up against the pampered boys of West Point any time...and I've served with many of them, both good and bad. You get no special pass, and neither does Moore, simply for having the connections to get into West Point. Honor and integrity are earned in the field, not the classroom.
So you can shove your West Point privilege club junk...because many a West Pointer has brought shame on that LONG gray line. Many have brought great honor as well to be fair...but the best officers I've served with have been prior enlisted service guys, men and women who started as grunts and rose through merit...not privilege as is the case with MANY West Pointers...to become officers.
Being a West Point grad is no free pass for bad conduct...and rest assured that neither yourself nor Moore know anything more about honor and integrity than any other Vet on this board.
You're smokin crack.
I would say that anyone who would strip a man of a life-long, highly cultivated honor based upon *nothing* other than forty-year-old gossip, hearsay, and innuendo, knows nothing of honor at all.
So a judge can ignore any law or ruling they don't like?
Being a West Point grad is no free pass for bad conduct...
So a judge can ignore any law or ruling they don't like?
So a judge can ignore any law or ruling they don't like?
Still prefer Mo Brooks.
Spare me your blather about honor and integrity. I was commissioned in the Regular Army and did it the hard way...up through the ranks to include serving as an NCO in combat...before earning my bars. I'll put THAT code of honor up against the pampered boys of West Point any time...and I've served with many of them, both good and bad. You get no special pass, and neither does Moore, simply for having the connections to get into West Point. Honor and integrity are earned in the field, not the classroom.
So you can shove your West Point privilege club junk...because many a West Pointer has brought shame on that LONG gray line. Many have brought great honor as well to be fair...but the best officers I've served with have been prior enlisted service guys, men and women who started as grunts and rose through merit...not privilege as is the case with MANY West Pointers...to become officers.
Being a West Point grad is no free pass for bad conduct...and rest assured that neither yourself nor Moore know anything more about honor and integrity than any other Vet on this board.
They can't help it. They are caught in an infinite feedback loop.
So a judge can ignore any law or ruling they don't like?
How moronic is it that this site has wasted over 100 posts on a RUMOR that Moore wants to run again.
It's discouraging that so-called Republicans cannot see the real and present danger facing us in the democrat party that has gone from bad to worse.
We should be worried about that threat but too many posters here are wasting their breath on negative posts about Trump. We should be worried about 2020. Trump will run again and there will be no successful challenge against him. And there shouldn't be. He's done a great job.
Every nasty little smear against him is fuel for the crazy rich democrats who want to turn this country into a hellish nightmare.
I wish people here would grow up and face reality.
I still prefer Mr. Brooks.
How moronic is it that this site has wasted over 100 posts on a RUMOR that Moore wants to run again.
It's discouraging that so-called Republicans cannot see the real and present danger facing us in the democrat party that has gone from bad to worse.
We should be worried about that threat but too many posters here are wasting their breath on negative posts about Trump. We should be worried about 2020. Trump will run again and there will be no successful challenge against him. And there shouldn't be. He's done a great job.
Every nasty little smear against him is fuel for the crazy rich democrats who want to turn this country into a hellish nightmare.
I wish people here would grow up and face reality.
We need to set "Post Topics" to be subject to your review?
Sorry dear! But defending TRUTH is never a wasted effort!
Every Briefer needs to go through her for permission to do anything, doncha know??
(I would love to see a SINGLE post of @Emjay 's that did ANYTHING other than smear the good people on this forum. Are there any?).
She's right. This argument is a loser, and will help us continue to lose.
Every Briefer needs to go through her for permission to do anything, doncha know??
(I would love to see a SINGLE post of @Emjay 's that did ANYTHING other than smear the good people on this forum. Are there any?).
It's still the right of everyone on this board to discuss any issue he or she wants to without derision.
(Of course you know that, and you are free to say that you think any argument is a "loser." I don't think it is because who we are as conservatives is tied up in who we believe is a worthwhile representative of our values, and clearly there are good Briefers on both sides of that debate).
Thank God I was spared serving under officers like you! Anyone willing to convict a man based on mere allegations of conduct that allegedly happened forty years in the past is unworthy of having command of anyone IMHO!
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He was entirely correct!
Yes! Over and over again until we get it right!
First, I haven't "convicted" him of anything. Of course, the inverse is also true in that the charges made by the 15 year old are not worthy of being disregarded either. But that's not really my point. My point is, because of those charges and his admitted willingness to date teenagers whilst in his 30's...he is guaranteed to lose another Senate seat that conservatives can ill afford to lose. What kind of stupidity would consider that a good nomination when the alternative is to run a DIFFERENT solid conservative who will win rather easily.
So, IOW.... ad infinitum & eternally, then?
First of all, he probably is NOT going to run again, so all this BS is just moot. Sheesh.
Huh. I missed the part where Breitbart said we should nominate men who, whilst in their 30's, actively worked to date girls in their teens...and the part where he stated we should nominate people who are proven losers and who are nearly certain to lose again.
Must have been right after or before the quote you cited...right?
Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand IMHO.
First of all, he probably is NOT going to run again, so all this BS is just moot. Sheesh.
It's still the right of everyone on this board to discuss any issue he or she wants to without derision.
(Of course you know that, and you are free to say that you think any argument is a "loser." I don't think it is because who we are as conservatives is tied up in who we believe is a worthwhile representative of our values, and clearly there are good Briefers on both sides of that debate).
Yes! Over and over again until we get it right!
These actions state otherwise......
Moore, 72, a former state judge, made the rounds at last Friday’s Alabama Republican Party dinner gala. A few days later, a new political action committee run by Moore’s son, Caleb Moore, issued an email fundraising appeal.
Now, if his fundraising efforts are a bust, that will likely change things.
If four out of people suffer from diarrhea does that mean that one enjoys it?
Roy Moore has been wrongfully accused. I think it would be absolutely wonderful if he ran again and this time WON! He would be winning AGAINST the GOPe and the liberal trash and most importantly he would be winning for the people of AL.@libertybele
888high58888 :amen:
Briefers do NOT need to go through anyone for permission to post. The Mods have set up rules and guidelines that we need to adhere to. We don't need some one in here who thinks that they are 'queen bee' of the forum continually casting stones. It gets old and annoying. I won't say anything more as I don't want a time out. 888mouth
by "get it right" you mean, of course, agree with your view.
Yes and coincidentally, it’s also the dentist that does not recommend Trident.
If by agree with me you mean stop allowing the Democrats to win by dragging $100 bills through trailer parks to find women sleazy enough to sign on to lies about Republican candidates who legitimately win primaries then the answer is a resounding YES!
These actions state otherwise......
Moore, 72, a former state judge, made the rounds at last Friday’s Alabama Republican Party dinner gala. A few days later, a new political action committee run by Moore’s son, Caleb Moore, issued an email fundraising appeal.
Now, if his fundraising efforts are a bust, that will likely change things.
Perhaps if we didn't run candidates who frequented trailer parks in pursuit of teenage girls...a $100 bill wouldn't turn up much.
But by "agree with you", I refer to your demand for running a candidate who's blemishes...even if you think them unjust...guarantee defeat. The definition of striving for failure.
I ask again, why would any Republican with a brain...who wants to actually win back that seat...not want to run ANY other conservative for that office NOT named Moore?
And I ask you again, by what right do you presume to tell Roy Moore he cannot run for any office he so chooses? I think the voters in the state of Alabama are perfectly capable of sorting it out without the aid of others.
How moronic is it that this site has wasted over 100 posts on a RUMOR that Moore wants to run again.
It's discouraging that so-called Republicans cannot see the real and present danger facing us in the democrat party that has gone from bad to worse.
We should be worried about that threat but too many posters here are wasting their breath on negative posts about Trump. We should be worried about 2020. Trump will run again and there will be no successful challenge against him. And there shouldn't be. He's done a great job.
Every nasty little smear against him is fuel for the crazy rich democrats who want to turn this country into a hellish nightmare.
I wish people here would grow up and face reality.
That right would be known as "free speech". In this case, that "right" would be endorsed by common sense, reason, and the experience of watching him lose that seat.
As for what he CAN do...he can dance the River Dance in a tutu and chase teenagers around whatever trailer park he wishes, all while running for the Senatorial nomination. Have at it Roy. What I CAN do, and have done...and will continue to do...is make the very easy argument that anyone supporting him in that endeavor is the kind of clueless fool who is more than willing to hand a conservative Senate seat to the Democrats.
As for the voters of Alabama, I'm sure they are wise enough to listen to input from whomever they choose...and as they've already rejected this guy once, I'd say they know what they're doing.
That is unfair @musiclady I try to post positive things but however high your IQ may be, you are sorely lacking in common sense. Your posts always contain criticism of our President and that is just plain stupid. You and other NTers deserve to be under democrat rule, but then I would be too.
Huh. I missed the part where Breitbart said we should nominate men who, whilst in their 30's, actively worked to date girls in their teens...and the part where he stated we should nominate people who are proven losers and who are nearly certain to lose again.
Must have been right after or before the quote you cited...right?
These actions state otherwise......
Moore, 72, a former state judge, made the rounds at last Friday’s Alabama Republican Party dinner gala. A few days later, a new political action committee run by Moore’s son, Caleb Moore, issued an email fundraising appeal.
Now, if his fundraising efforts are a bust, that will likely change things.
If Andrew Breitbart were alive, he would have zero use for Moore.
@Mesaclone, we’ve butted heads often, but I agree with everything you’ve posted here. You don’t have to respond if you don’t want. Respect.
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Really??? Have you a license that entitles you to read the minds of the dead?
First, I haven't "convicted" him of anything. Of course, the inverse is also true in that the charges made by the 15 year old are not worthy of being disregarded either.
But that's not really my point. My point is, because of those charges and his admitted willingness to date teenagers whilst in his 30's...he is guaranteed to lose another Senate seat that conservatives can ill afford to lose. What kind of stupidity would consider that a good nomination when the alternative is to run a DIFFERENT solid conservative who will win rather easily.
ROFLMFAO!!!!
888high58888
If Andrew Breitbart were alive, he would have zero use for Moore.
@Mesaclone, we’ve butted heads often, but I agree with everything you’ve posted here. You don’t have to respond if you don’t want. Respect.
Roy Moore has been wrongfully accused. I think it would be absolutely wonderful if he ran again and this time WON! He would be winning AGAINST the GOPe and the liberal trash and most importantly he would be winning for the people of AL.
The party probably won't want to take that chance again (my bet), so....
This from the guy who claims he knows with 100% certainty Moore is innocent.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/13/google-big-tech-bias-hurts-democracy-not-just-conservatives-column/1265020002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/13/google-big-tech-bias-hurts-democracy-not-just-conservatives-column/1265020002/)
Not just conservatives: Google and Big Tech can shift millions of votes in any direction
My randomized, controlled and peer-reviewed research on SEME shows that when one candidate is favored in search results, that can easily shift the voting preferences of undecided voters by 20 percent or more — up to 80 percent in some demographic groups. My new research on SSE suggests that (a) Google is manipulating opinions from the very first character people type into the Google search bar, and (b) by manipulating search suggestions (those phrases they flash at you while you’re typing your search term), Google can turn a 50/50 split among undecided voters into an astonishing 90/10 split.
What I know with absolute certainty is that if there were any truth to these BS allegations they would not have waited forty years to come to light. Roy Moore has been a public figure in Alabama for most of his life and is well known there yet these allegations only arose whe, n he was well on his way to replacing Jeff Sessions in the U.S. Senate!
Actually, he would have replaced Luther Strange.
Very true!
I haven't asked.
How many Alabamans are posting on this thread?
How many Alabamannequins?
I haven't asked.
How many Alabamans are posting on this thread?
How many Alabamannequins?
I haven't asked.
How many Alabamans are posting on this thread?
How many Alabamannequins?
So....? I don’t quite follow what you’re saying, but I think I’ve got an idea. With the amount of votes he received last time, there’s at least tens of thousands that support him. The GOP can’t stop him from raising money on his own. Would they cut him off from party funds, if he survived the primary? Maybe, but that would likely create a split ticket on the right, ensuring Jones was re-elected. Is that what you think would happen?
I was born near Pensacola. Floridians tell me that's actually S. Alabama. That should count.
I had to sound that out three times.
Alabama isn't the point, and neither is Roy Moore in the end.
In purpose, I don't give a crap about either one.
I do care that a man can be crucified in the court of public opinion.
I do care that a man's honor can be so readily discarded with absolutely no evidence.
Worm-Tongue whispers in many ears.
I was born near Pensacola. Floridians tell me that's actually S. Alabama. That should count.
Yeah, the probability is high that if Moore runs again, against the wishes of the GOP, the ticket will go to the rats..... yet again. I think Moore was railroaded (Herman Cained).. but the same thing will happen again....and that is, as you know, the definition of insanity (expecting different results from the same stupid chit).
And no Conservative gets elected ever again.
I'm glad to respond and grateful for your perspective. The respect is mutual.
In this toxic political climate, the more conservative you are the more demonized and targeted you are. Hell, we have some members right here at this forum that seem to love to diss conservatives. When asked what, if not conservative, they are... they either refuse to answer or feign offense. Why? This IS, after all, a conservative forum.
What I know with absolute certainty is that if there were any truth to these BS allegations they would not have waited forty years to come to light. Roy Moore has been a public figure in Alabama for most of his life and is well known there yet these allegations only arose when he was well on his way to replacing Jeff Sessions in the U.S. Senate!
All I know is that sometimes you've gotta draw a hard line, and this is one of em.
If you allow good men to be torn to pieces without a whit of evidence, then anything goes.
And failing to elect Conservatives because we listen to gossipers
is bowing down before the necons,
for all intensive porpoises.
In this toxic political climate, the more conservative you are the more demonized and targeted you are. Hell, we have some members right here at this forum that seem to love to diss conservatives. When asked what, if not conservative, they are... they either refuse to answer or feign offense. Why? This IS, after all, a conservative forum.
@XenaLee
More liberal plants. Damn.
I had to sound that out three times.
Alabama isn't the point, and neither is Roy Moore in the end.
In purpose, I don't give a crap about either one.
I do care that a man can be crucified in the court of public opinion.
I do care that a man's honor can be so readily discarded with absolutely no evidence.
Worm-Tongue whispers in many ears.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn on the way to Miami. Does that count? :laugh:
I had to sound that out three times.
Alabama isn't the point, and neither is Roy Moore in the end.
In purpose, I don't give a crap about either one.
I do care that a man can be crucified in the court of public opinion.
I do care that a man's honor can be so readily discarded with absolutely no evidence.
Worm-Tongue whispers in many ears.
Hey, guess what? Since you pinged me....
I still have about a dozen links I was going to post right before you huffed off the last time (lol). Wanna talk some more about McCain? :smokin:
@XenaLee
No, babe, it wasn’t a huff-off.†It was needing a break from the dumb before my own brain cells started to die from over-exposure.
I mean, you really exposed me for the Dem I am.
@libertybele
And how would you feel about him running again and losing...surrendering what should be a "gimme" conservative seat to a liberal...perhaps even shifting the Senate to the Dems...in perpetuity. Because that is FAR more likely to be the outcome of what you think would be absolutely wonderful.
Have you a license that entitles you to this special knowledge?
@Sanguine
I'm really concerned about the cookie thing. All these websites that want me to accept their cookies. I think it is a trick.
There is only one way to fix this mess. One way.
BTW, that was a really good post. It was like an aaaargh only with more letters. I'm proud of you.
So... what ARE you? If not conservative (since you diss conservatives).... what, then? Anti-conservative establishment GOPe? I'm curious.
And... you must have a chip on your shoulder about it.... since you insisted on responding...lolol.
I'll ask again............. can't Alabama come up with a better candidate?Let's all hope so. The last thing anyone needs is a whole year or more of this all over again.
Let's all hope so. The last thing anyone needs is a whole year or more of this all over again.
What I do care about are the liberal smear tactics that have gone on for far too long. So, what you in essence are stating is that we need to vote for people who we think can win over a liberal,even though they have voted along liberal lines in the past just to fill a GOP(e) seat, rather then vote for someone whom we know is conservative and has at least an ounce of integrity left.Got it. No thank you. As long as people continue to vote that way, the GOP will continue to be in the same sinking boat that they're in.
@XenaLee
Oh, in answer to your question—I’m a socialist. Considerably to the left of Ralph Northam, my state’s governor, not quite as far as Ocasio-Cortez.
Here's my problem with the Roy Moore thing. He may or may not be what he is purported to be. I don't know. I suspect that from the last 40 years of his life, he's either moved on from prior proclivities or he never had them. But, that's not my issue.
Conservatives, the Constitution, Godly Christians and Jews, and America as a whole are under attack. One of the several things that has had us paralyzed and unable to fight back is that we are being attacked from every angle. School choice, spending that involuntarily commits future generations to servitude, increasing and unceasing attacks on the Constitutional foundation of our nation, abortion trending to infanticide, ascendant islam, open Communists in elected positions, environmentalism as a weapon, election corruption and outright stealing, venal and debased federal law enforcement, illegal alien invasion, entrenched and anti-American bureaucrats, an education system that produces mindless drones who vote democrat, and ever-expanding governmental control and intrusion. And, that’s just off the top of my head.
It’s like drinking from a firehose – you don’t have time to even think much less form a defensive plan or a counter attack. Probably deliberate and certainly effective. Regardless, when you find yourself under a firehose or any similar attack, you have to do something to remediate the situation or it quickly progresses to much worse. You have to decide what is absolutely important and what can be handled later after you are no longer under the powerful stream of water. You have to make some smart choices. You can think about that little boy who got cheated out of his cookie last week, and put your foot down and decide that must be corrected and now. Or, you can do something that keeps us from having the skin flayed off and then drowning.
Conservatives seem to unerringly go for the cookie corruption, time after time. We never learn. When there are 400 principled issues that need to be addressed, you simply can’t address each and every one of them. Pick the top 5 and work from there. We might actually see some success that way.
I would tell Roy Moore, sorry you got probably screwed, but you’re alive, well and living in what’s left of the greatest nation on earth, and besides, this isn't about you. Don’t do this, Mr. Moore, because you will help to speed our destruction, along with those who support your running again.
I know, @roamer_1
It is why I keep my robot thread going. Maybe someone will glean a bit of info on just how much they are being manipulated.
I do care, too.
People don't like my solution(s) and it is best I don't post them.
Though, I don't condemn Moore without more info on the two times, he was removed from the Alabama SC and one of those times, I think had to do with those "Ten Commandments" and not gay marriage, when you start having Judges making the law, what's next?
Piker. I'm with you up to the socio part but then my path is my own.
@XenaLee
Oh, in answer to your question—I’m a socialist. Considerably to the left of Ralph Northam, my state’s governor, not quite as far as Ocasio-Cortez.
Conservatives seem to unerringly go for the cookie corruption, time after time. We never learn. When there are 400 principled issues that need to be addressed, you simply can’t address each and every one of them. Pick the top 5 and work from there. We might actually see some success that way.
I would tell Roy Moore, sorry you got probably screwed, but you’re alive, well and living in what’s left of the greatest nation on earth, and besides, this isn't about you. Don’t do this, Mr. Moore, because you will help to speed our destruction, along with those who support your running again.
I understand what you are saying. We as conservatives cannot allow the left to continue with their smear campaigns, corruption, voter fraud, etc. Heck Pelosi has even given 'training' in how to smear; basically it is to continue to tell an untruth about someone that is derragatory until it becomes believed to be truth when there isn't an ounce of evidence that there was any wrong doing. The left is not above hiring someone to lie as a witness or to come up with fake evidence the eventually becomes known as fake. Unfortunately by that time, the person's reputation is ruined.
Do we tell those who have been wrongfully accused ... too bad ... your life is ruined, but sit back and be quiet so that someone else has a chance. Do you honestly feel, that the left won't go after them as well??
In that particular case, the only judge 'making the law' was the one who ordered it removed. There is nothing unconstitutional about a State displaying the ten commandments.
Well you're damned sure not a Conservative. That much is certain. I am proud to be a Conservative... so I don't get the reluctance to own it. I think you're GOPe, personally, which would explain your anti-Trump and anti-Conservative sentiments. But whatever. If you're ashamed to admit what you are.... not my problem. Have a great evening. happy77
I can appreciate your position @Sanguine
But none of it stops, *none*, until there are more actual principled, God-fearing Conservatives in government than mere Republicans. You have no argument at all until then.
If we allow them to be slain in the courts of slanderous public opinion, it is only a matter of time until they are all gone, simply by attrition.
I just wanna know why everyone gives so much of a shit what one poster thinks on this topic. @QueenCatofAragon is opposed to Moore...unless y’all are married to him, why the hell do you let that get your knickers in a twist?
You're on your way to Johnson City. We keep frittering every chance we get, that's where we end up.
You're seriously going to worry about someone's reputation while the whole damn thing is burning down around us? Really?
I just wanna know why everyone gives so much of a shit what one poster thinks on this topic. @QueenCatofAragon is opposed to Moore...unless y’all are married to him, why the hell do you let that get your knickers in a twist?A lot of it is a fundamental difference in our understanding of the facts, and who we believe or don't believe.
Have fun in Chicago, where there ain't a dimes worth of difference between the parties.There are Republicans in Chicago?
@XenaLee
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@bigheadfred Oh, you drive a Doolie?
If that is what they call a pickup with a cow catcher then yes, yes I do.
Like "We must be getting closer to town."" How can you tell?"" We're hitting more people."
I try to participate in these threads but they make me sick sometimes to the point I have an actual psychotic break.
I was born near Pensacola. Floridians tell me that's actually S. Alabama. That should count.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/13/moore.tencommandments/ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/13/moore.tencommandments/)
One can read up on it here, the ethics panel removed Moore. I don't care to get into this too much.
You're on your way to Johnson City. We keep frittering every chance we get, that's where we end up.
You're seriously going to worry about someone's reputation while the whole damn thing is burning down around us? Really?
The article contains the same 'government establishment of religion' crap that the left always spouts out. It even went as far at to quote the very part of Amendment I which proves this not to be a Constitutional infringement - "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW". The placement in Alabama involved no act of Congress. Thus, it does not violate Amendment I. Personally, I am sick and tired of this liberal horse dooky about separation of church and state from a Supreme Court case they LOST! The First Amendment does one thing and one thing only - it protects the American people from Congress by placing a limit on their power. Not the states. Not the cities. Not the counties. But the federal legislature.
And certainly not the courts who have been imposing and establishing their preferred religion on America - secular humanism. Personally, I am fed up not only with the tyranny of the bench, but also the abject ignorance of the American people brainwashed by leftist propaganda that force-feeds the 'separation of church and state' lie that was pulled out of a losing Supreme Court decision.
For a political candidate, I am not at all a Roy Moore supporter. But he absolutely positively did the right thing by standing up to the tyranny of a court that shows nothing but contempt for our Constitution. It is a shame the State of Alabama refused to back him.
anything west of Marianna and north of I-10 is considered part of Lower Alabama. I got lots of in-laws in that area. Roll Tide.
Yes! I most certainly am! I'm not about to sit still and let good people who are willing to put their good names on the line to enter the arena of politics be smeared period! Not today or any day!
@edpcLittle girls, yes, and the whole town would turn out with pitchforks and torches. Also, there are no secrets in a small town, so why did this take 40 years to 'break"? Well, because he wasn't doing anything illegal. He was asking the parents if he could take their daughters out. The claims of impropriety (one) complete with an autograph in three colors of ink, with different line angles for the text, redundant, and including the initials of his assistant have been debunked.
I can tell you what would happen here, and I live in a small Southern rural community. If that guy showed up to date my niece, my father-in-law—her grandfather—would go after him, accompanied by my husband and his brother.
If that guy were hanging around recitals to check out young girls, he would be zeroed in on pretty quickly. You wouldn’t find anyone trying to excuse his aberrance.
Then prepare to lose. And, try to work up an explanation to the next generation as to why we frittered away the best this world has ever seen.We frittered it away because all our opposition had to do was come up with some story, on the thinnest 'evidence' which broke down under scrutiny, with obvious ulterior motives including personal vendettas and gain, and we'd throw Jesus Christ himself out the door in a New York Second, (not to mention mere mortals) to appease the Leftist media frenzy. They have to be drowning in their tears--from laughter.
The party probably won't want to take that chance again (my bet), so....The party didn't want to take that chance the first time. THe risk to them was that a man who had twice lost his job standing on principles might be loose on Capitol Hill where all sorts of shady crap is done on both sides of the aisle, where the good ol' boys club doesn't want any disruption... like someone who just might peel the lid back on that kettle of worms in the Swamp, and make them all lose their phoney baloney jobs.
This from the guy who claims he knows with 100% certainty Moore is innocent.Like it or not, If he has not been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he is. There is more than enough room for reasonable doubt.
That already happened.
So....? I don’t quite follow what you’re saying, but I think I’ve got an idea. With the amount of votes he received last time, there’s at least tens of thousands that support him. The GOP can’t stop him from raising money on his own. Would they cut him off from party funds, if he survived the primary? Maybe, but that would likely create a split ticket on the right, ensuring Jones was re-elected. Is that what you think would happen?
That right would be known as "free speech". In this case, that "right" would be endorsed by common sense, reason, and the experience of watching him lose that seat.
As for what he CAN do...he can dance the River Dance in a tutu and chase teenagers around whatever trailer park he wishes, all while running for the Senatorial nomination. Have at it Roy. What I CAN do, and have done...and will continue to do...is make the very easy argument that anyone supporting him in that endeavor is the kind of clueless fool who is more than willing to hand a conservative Senate seat to the Democrats.
As for the voters of Alabama, I'm sure they are wise enough to listen to input from whomever they choose...and as they've already rejected this guy once, I'd say they know what they're doing.
The article contains the same 'government establishment of religion' crap that the left always spouts out. It even went as far at to quote the very part of Amendment I which proves this not to be a Constitutional infringement - "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW". The placement in Alabama involved no act of Congress. Thus, it does not violate Amendment I. Personally, I am sick and tired of this liberal horse dooky about separation of church and state from a Supreme Court case they LOST! The First Amendment does one thing and one thing only - it protects the American people from Congress by placing a limit on their power. Not the states. Not the cities. Not the counties. But the federal legislature.
And certainly not the courts who have been imposing and establishing their preferred religion on America - secular humanism. Personally, I am fed up not only with the tyranny of the bench, but also the abject ignorance of the American people brainwashed by leftist propaganda that force-feeds the 'separation of church and state' lie that was pulled out of a losing Supreme Court decision.
For a political candidate, I am not at all a Roy Moore supporter. But he absolutely positively did the right thing by standing up to the tyranny of a court that shows nothing but contempt for our Constitution. It is a shame the State of Alabama refused to back him.
Then prepare to lose. And, try to work up an explanation to the next generation as to why we frittered away the best this world has ever seen.
If fighting for good people against lies and innuendo cause us to lose then so be it and my explanation to the next generation will be easy! Some lines should never be crossed for any reason ever. Denying the truth in order to win is one of them.
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, is it still foolish?
Yes. Truth was never a popularity contest.
That's lovely rhetoric and all, but at this point we have to make the hard decisions. We simply can't address every wrong at once. We need to focus and start doing something effective.And it's not like Roy Moore is the only rock-ribbed conservative candidate in the whole state of Alabama.
And it's not like Roy Moore is the only rock-ribbed conservative candidate in the whole state of Alabama.
A crucial seat in a narrowly divided Senate is not the place to be insisting that the electorate got it wrong last time around and force them to pick the same guy they just rejected. Elections have consequences.
That's lovely rhetoric and all, but at this point we have to make the hard decisions. We simply can't address every wrong at once. We need to focus and start doing something effective.
Yep! And my decision is made! I will continue to fight lies for the rest of my life no matter where I encounter them!
There's a big difference between fighting and winning. I support winning.
I've determined that most conservatives aren't willing to do what it takes to win. It's both frustrating and an admirable quality. You have to make sacrifices to survive in a changing world. It seems many conservatives would rather go down in a blaze of righteous glory.
I'd much rather win in a blaze of righteous glory, but even if no blaze, I'd rather win for the right side.
Of what good is a "victory" to the one who sells his soul to get it?
There's a big difference between fighting and winning. I support winning.
Who is talking about selling one's soul? What?
There's all this talk that core principles must be abandoned to achieve victory.
If bowing to evil is what is required to win then I will lose forever.
If bowing to evil is what is required to win then I will lose forever.
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.
Where?
"Conservatives will never win because they have convictions." There's at least one poster on this thread who reiterates the line constantly all over the forum.
I am obviously not referring to you...
Twelve pages about Roy Moore....
Why am I not surprised? **nononono* /s
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.
Count me OUT!
Oh, good. I thought I was seriously failing to communicate.
Ignore all that other stuff. We need to concentrate on seeing this issue clearly so that we can best deal with it.
One two three four five six seven eight nine ten! :laugh:
Twelve pages about Roy Moore....Because it is perhaps the only name on this board more polarizing than Donald Trump—and the for/against doesn't seem to fit neatly along those lines.
Why am I not surprised? **nononono* /s
Because it is perhaps the only name on this board more polarizing than Donald Trump—and the for/against doesn't seem to fit neatly along those lines.
Consider the political mechanics involved: The Rats were able to separate Moore from his most conservative supporters (Evangelicals) by making sexual allegations within days after the ballots were printed for the AZ Special Election to replace Sessions. Mere allegations were sufficient because of the "seriousness of the charge." Many of us predicted this was to the the new playbook.
Fast forward to the Confirmation of Brett Kavinaugh. Same plays, and it almost worked by peeling away key squishes in the Senate when Feinswine released the confidential letter after the hearings concluded in the SJC.
If Roy Moore does run, then that will happen again. If he wins the Primary, I can only hope those Evangelicals realize they'd been played for fools. Did he date 16-year-old girls when he was 30? Sure, he said so, and it conformed with the mores of the day. Did he rape a 14-year-old? That is still not proven and looks more unlikely as time goes on. Where are the criminal charges?
@Sanguine I can agree with that. It's that rigid adherence that allowed the Rats to peel off Moore's Evangelical base. Those are the folks who need convincing, and I don't see evidence of that being repaired.
The Rats have used "the smear" for as long as I can remember to destroy Republicans.
That’s why I’m saying we need to focus and become cohesive and effective, and do it now. We don’t have the luxury of worrying about a losing candidate’s* reputation or what he did or didn't do 40 years ago.
You don't bow to evil. You become more evil than the evil you are fighting. Then fight to win. Don't merely neutralize your enemy. Eliminate it. Completely.
I'm surprised. Not. Remember, I own the popcorn concession....
:2popcorn: :2popcorn: :2popcorn:
These Roy Moore threads are like football practice. Learning how to recognize the plays in the opposition's playbook. If we do it enough we might get good at it!
We don’t have the luxury of worrying about a losing candidate’s* reputation or what he did or didn't do 40 years ago.
BS! When you understand their playbook it becomes very easy to defeat them!
You don't bow to evil. You become more evil than the evil you are fighting. Then fight to win. Don't merely neutralize your enemy. Eliminate it. Completely.
BS back at you! If it's so easy, why have we failed so miserably up to now?
Kori Schake
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Dwight Eisenhower: "if a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power."
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Because too many players on our team STILL haven't learned the plays in their playbook!
How is running a DIFFERENT solid conservative evil...it seems like its simply electing a staunch conservative to a key Senate seat. Is Roy Moore the only solid conservative in the state of Alabama?
That I agree with! And, that's what I am advocating for.
Good! Then we agree! For a while there I thought you were suggesting we just ignore the lies and the reputations of people brave enough to take up the mantle and run for office. Glad to know I was mistaken about that.
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.
In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.
Ah, but I was. I am saying we need to identify the ~5 top objectives and do what we need to do to accomplish those. I am saying that a losing candidate's reputation doesn't get anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. Can you imagine what the outcome would have been had Washington, Franklin, Revere, and all of those fine men worried about their names over accomplishing establishing our nation? Seriously?
And, since the winners write the history, those men's reputations are good and intact.
If you don't defend the reputations of your candidates you soon won't have any candidates worth having!
If that's where we put our energy, their reputations will not matter.
In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.
I don't believe that one side is good and the other is evil. I think the world is more complicated than that.
If you were served a salad and told "There is one speck of fecal matter." Would you eat it?
That depends on how hungry I am. :laugh:
that is important to some of us.
You're losing that fight though. You're losing it badly. You're going to lose everything else in the process if you don't regroup.
You're losing that fight though. You're losing it badly. You're going to lose everything else in the process if you don't regroup.
'Simply electing' is a fantasy.
Like it or not, If he has not been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he is. There is more than enough room for reasonable doubt.
These Roy Moore threads are like football practice. Learning how to recognize the plays in the opposition's playbook. If we do it enough we might get good at it!
If fighting for good people against lies and innuendo cause us to lose then so be it and my explanation to the next generation will be easy! Some lines should never be crossed for any reason ever. Denying the truth in order to win is one of them.I have been the only person in the room who was right. After a couple of weeks, that was proven to all present, but for a time, it was a damned uncomfortable position. There was great pressure to 'go along' to 'get along' to give in to consensus. I would not, because I knew I was right. It took time to even get people to look at the data, to check the information, and after that, one by one, they let go of their emotional attachment to their positions and realized those positions were incorrect. Finally, the facts won.
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, is it still foolish?
Yes. Truth was never a popularity contest.
Of what good is a "victory" to the one who sells his soul to get it?"We had to burn the village to save it". Seems to be the new definition of "winning".
@Smokin JoeOne would think that when it comes to politically motivated accusations... and you don't get more politically motivated than a bombshell report withheld until just after the primary election... one should have even more skepticism.
If this were a court of law, yeah.
Count me OUT!Me, too, on compromise. Compromise is the path to where we are. Those 'expedients' have all but shredded the Constitution, wrecked public education, and if the GOP is to be irrelevant, maybe compromising to chase the "moderate vote' is how it got that way (Dem Lite). NO more.
If you were served a salad and told "There is one speck of fecal matter." Would you eat it?
Me, too, on compromise. Compromise is the path to where we are. Those 'expedients' have all but shredded the Constitution, wrecked public education, and if the GOP is to be irrelevant, maybe compromising to chase the "moderate vote' is how it got that way (Dem Lite). NO more.
Has lost 3 times statewide,Lost to an 11th hour hot-button issue character assassination campaign waged on social media, the mass media by the left, enhanced by those on the Right triggered by hot button allegations who made no effort to check the allegations for veracity, but who joined the Leftist chorus of "crucify him", including the GOPe who cut him off from funds.
Lost to a Democrat in a deep Red state. Oh, yeah, keep trying till you get it right.
Oh, and let's not forget, he basically stopped campaigning, I mean who does that?
It's not pragmatic and I'm sure the good people of Alabama will come up with a viable alternative... especially since they have been saying since last year, the other two guys, Mo Brooks and I forget his name, would have defeated the Democrat.
If they have a primary, I see it the same as some other returning candidates to a race, I'm not saying these guys are bad, it's just that their due date does not sell well.
Santorum in '16, I like Rick plenty,
Allen Keyes on running for president again in one of those past elections.
I would expect in a primary, Moore to get pretty low numbers, 17-19%. What kind of momentum does he have? It's not calling him a bad guy.
You don't bow to evil. You become more evil than the evil you are fighting. Then fight to win. Don't merely neutralize your enemy. Eliminate it. Completely.
Not good analogy. We eat fecal matter...daily in most food. Are you kidding? STARBUCKS coffee has fecal matter in it. Do people drink it?I don't.
Lost to an 11th hour hot-button issue character assassination campaign waged on social media, the mass media by the left, enhanced by those on the Right triggered by hot button allegations who made no effort to check the allegations for veracity, but who joined the Leftist chorus of "crucify him", including the GOPe who cut him off from funds.
If Moore runs and the people choose someone else in the Primary, all this is moot, and the Democrats will have someone new to invent dirt on. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I don't.
@Smokin JoeOh, so to individuals the same standard should not apply?
If this were a court of law, yeah.
Me, too, on compromise. Compromise is the path to where we are. Those 'expedients' have all but shredded the Constitution, wrecked public education, and if the GOP is to be irrelevant, maybe compromising to chase the "moderate vote' is how it got that way (Dem Lite). NO more.
If you prepare your own food, wash it, etc. you can eliminate that. I don't have a cook staff.
lol I doubt it. Do employees wash their hands every time? Just the facts. You need to do research on what is allowed in our food. Rat hair, dropping's......
Good grief. We're not talking compromise or giving up of any basic values or anything like that. What we do need to do, is work smart and effectively and actually try to win, instead of wild windmill tilting. And, I've done my share of that, but we're past the time where that is a rational thing to do. (If it ever was.)Dear, Big boys don't wear panties. You're already off to a bad start.
Time to put on our big-boy and big-girl panties and deal with reality.
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Dear, Big boys don't wear panties. You're already off to a bad start.
One would think that when it comes to politically motivated accusations... and you don't get more politically motivated than a bombshell report withheld until just after the primary election... one should have even more skepticism.
Dear, Big boys don't wear panties. You're already off to a bad start.
Not good analogy. We eat fecal matter...daily in most food. Are you kidding? STARBUCKS coffee has fecal matter in it. Do people drink it?
If you prepare your own food, wash it, etc. you can eliminate that. I don't have a cook staff.
I seldom eat out.
I grind my own coffee.
I drink distilled water.
Doubt away. Have fun with your salad.
I'll remember that next time somebody tells you to ESAD... :whistle:
Oh, so to individuals the same standard should not apply?
If everyone in your world lives with a presumption of guilt, it must be a dismal place indeed.
If all I need to do is say you have strange relationships with family pets or farm animals and you're guilty, no evidence needed, (not that i"m saying that) where would that leave you? Think about it.
Accord the same requirements that others prove guilt before jumping on the bandwagon to declare someone evil. Otherwise, you're just another malicious gossip, and America has plenty of those already. They populate the MSM, and so-called 'entertainment' industry already.
@Smokin JoeGood. thanks.
because I’m not repeating it.
You mean, when someone tells you that. :0001:
Of what good is a "victory" to the one who sells his soul to get it?
Me, too, on compromise. Compromise is the path to where we are. Those 'expedients' have all but shredded the Constitution, wrecked public education, and if the GOP is to be irrelevant, maybe compromising to chase the "moderate vote' is how it got that way (Dem Lite). NO more.
Ok, what do you get from defeat even though your self-rightous?
Ok, what do you get from defeat even though your self-rightous?
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.
From the Garden, right up to this very day, compromise is exactly how evil grows.
A man who would compromise his principles had no principles to compromise.
Sticking to principles is the reason conservatives lose, so the saying goes.
The saying is absurd.
TRUTH compromised with a lie becomes a lie.
Compromising with evil is evil. Compromising with leftists always leads to more evil because Republicans always give something valuable up, while Rats don't. The leftwards ratchet grinds on.
The basic element of the American Government was setup that both sides sit down talk and find a common ground. Sometimes you do have to Compromise. The Constitution was founded on a Compromise.
Are you calling me "self-rightous," buddy? Insulting people in lieu of reasoned debate probably gets you everywhere in your world. You utterly failed to convince me it's OK to abandon principles.
Ok.
ALL OF YOU.
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@ All of you
What made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest generation?
What gave you the ability to sit here now and talk such stupid shit?
How many of you "knew" someone from that generation?
How many of you actually had the chance to hear what they had to say?
Not many talked of what they saw, did, or endured.
But one thing was absolutey clear.
Babyfaced mama boys. Depression era people. Rich or poor. Shit happened to people that needed to happen AT THAT TIME.
They all united to overcome.
Ya'll sit here and debate stupid shit. Principles yada yada yada
People can claim it was some Holy Crusade.
It was the worst human beings could inflict on other human beings. Evil won.
And then evil disappeared from the "greatest generation".
You know why?
They didn't compromise. They didn't back down from their principles. They didn't back down from their faith.
You know how I know this?
Because of this stupid effing "debate".
Nah Just kidding. I know this because I Live this FU88888 life.
Ok.
ALL OF YOU.
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@ All of you
What made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest generation?
What gave you the ability to sit here now and talk such stupid shit?
How many of you "knew" someone from that generation?
How many of you actually had the chance to hear what they had to say?
Not many talked of what they saw, did, or endured.
But one thing was absolutey clear.
Babyfaced mama boys. Depression era people. Rich or poor. Shit happened to people that needed to happen AT THAT TIME.
They all united to overcome.
Ya'll sit here and debate stupid shit. Principles yada yada yada
People can claim it was some Holy Crusade.
It was the worst human beings could inflict on other human beings. Evil won.
And then evil disappeared from the "greatest generation".
You know why?
They didn't compromise. They didn't back down from their principles. They didn't back down from their faith.
You know how I know this?
Because of this stupid effing "debate".
Nah Just kidding. I know this because I Live this FU88888 life.
@bigheadfred I'm so sorry you see it this way. I was just about to compliment several people on this topic for how well and fruitful the debate was. It went off the rails yesterday, but today has been very good. And, TBRfriends can go back and forth and disagree without it being an all out war.
@bigheadfred I'm so sorry you see it this way. I was just about to compliment several people on this topic for how well and fruitful the debate was. It went off the rails yesterday, but today has been very good. And, TBRfriends can go back and forth and disagree without it being an all out war.
Why are you sorry I see it this way? It is the way life really is. It is the way history has always been.
There is no personal disrespect meant to any people posting on this forum.
Remember the quote from Genghis Khan.
“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.†“If you're afraid - don't do it, - if you're doing it - don't be afraid!†“an action committed in anger is an action doomed to failure.â€
I'm not calling for your anger.
I am calling for riders on the storm.
I am calling for riders on the storm.
OK, trying hard to understand what you're saying. You seemed to be saying that we were wasting our time debating big issues. Is that not correct?
Debate all you want to. Per your own posts my perception is to stop the general debate and focus on the the first five most important things that a reasoned debate MIGHT resolve.
Which and how would you enumerate the first five?
Of your first choice, give the poisoned atmosphere that would immediately surround it, what would be your opening question or statement?
How would you defend or contest? They won't listen to your reason, your documentation, your witnesses.
So how to defend that?
@Hoodat, I've been meaning to ask - who is the winsome young lady in your avatar?
I Know You Rider
@Sanguine
No idea. Stole it from a friend.
@Sanguine
@Cyber Liberty
No idea. Stole it from a friend.
Dave Alvin and Jimmie Dale Gilmore - "Downey To Lubbock"
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I think most Briefers would be happy if this got derailed.
Ok.
ALL OF YOU.
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@ All of you
What made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest generation?
What gave you the ability to sit here now and talk such stupid shit?
How many of you "knew" someone from that generation?
How many of you actually had the chance to hear what they had to say?
Not many talked of what they saw, did, or endured.
But one thing was absolutey clear.
Babyfaced mama boys. Depression era people. Rich or poor. Shit happened to people that needed to happen AT THAT TIME.
They all united to overcome.
Ya'll sit here and debate stupid shit. Principles yada yada yada
People can claim it was some Holy Crusade.
It was the worst human beings could inflict on other human beings. Evil won.
And then evil disappeared from the "greatest generation".
You know why?
They didn't compromise. They didn't back down from their principles. They didn't back down from their faith.
You know how I know this?
Because of this stupid effing "debate".
Nah Just kidding. I know this because I Live this FU88888 life.
Still prefer Mo Brooks.
So a judge can ignore any law or ruling they don't like?
Ok.
ALL OF YOU.
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@ All of you
What made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest generation?
What gave you the ability to sit here now and talk such stupid shit?
How many of you "knew" someone from that generation?
How many of you actually had the chance to hear what they had to say?
Not many talked of what they saw, did, or endured.
But one thing was absolutey clear.
Babyfaced mama boys. Depression era people. Rich or poor. Shit happened to people that needed to happen AT THAT TIME.
They all united to overcome.
Ya'll sit here and debate stupid shit. Principles yada yada yada
People can claim it was some Holy Crusade.
It was the worst human beings could inflict on other human beings. Evil won.
And then evil disappeared from the "greatest generation".
You know why?
They didn't compromise. They didn't back down from their principles. They didn't back down from their faith.
You know how I know this?
Because of this stupid effing "debate".
Nah Just kidding. I know this because I Live this FU88888 life.
@bigheadfred
Yeah, Fred, you could say I knew a member of that generation pretty well. My father. He and my mom were older than my husband’s grandparents, and I lost them early. I was a very late baby, and their only one.
My father was a teenager who found himself on a troop ship on his way to Europe. And then slammed into the middle of the Battle of the Bulge. You’re right, he didn’t talk much about what he saw & did, but to this day I can’t watch old films of that battle, knowing he was there.
You can call it shit if you want, but I see it as standing up against plain wrong & willful blindness—against compromising with evil—in the interest of winning at politics. I’m my father’s daughter, and I know what he would have thought of Moore. I don’t care if everybody on this forum comes down on me for it—I don’t back down. Level all your fire at me, all of y’all. I ain’t budging.
Don’t know what else to tell you. 🤷â€â™€ï¸
@bigheadfred, again, I'm not suggesting a back-off from principles. I think you may have been the only one who got that. I am saying we need to pare down our list of priorities to the bare necessities for now, and start making some progress in restoring the Republic. And, again, IMHO, Roy Moore's political career ain't it.
The Republic is on life support right now. We can stand around and argue who will get the china and who will get the grandfather clock, but it might be a better idea to grab the O2 and the defibrillator.
As for the five top priorities, I wouldn't want to make that decision by myself, but if I am appointed Queen For The Day (step aside @QueenCatofAragon) I think I might start with (and remember this is a rough, rough initial draft):
1. an investigation into and prosecution of federal employees and elected officials in the Roscom uranium, unsecured servers, illegal email usage, and attempts to overturn the legitimate results of the last federal election.
2. push to have Cruz's term limits law passed
3. form a group of conservatives to respond quickly and effectively as public information officers to better communicate conservative ideals and spread truth in a very untruthful media environment.
4. establish a task force to study, report on, publicize and help enforce voter laws that ensure one vote per citizen.
5. elimination of the income tax.
6. establish some simple, basic ideals that we can agree to pursue.
7. I would like to work on abortion issues immediately, but I don't think that is possible until we regain some traction. Put this into the second tier to be worked on.
8. insist that Congress pass a law that they (congresscritters) have to follow all the laws that ordinary citizens follow. Cut out the benies - barbershop, Airforce transportation, etc. Make it much less fiscally rewarding to be a public servant.
That's it for tonight.
I'll sleep on that. Ye right fer it is ruff. But salient. I asked for five. Ya gaved me 8. Wimmin. :whistle: :tongue2:
You're losing that fight though. You're losing it badly. You're going to lose everything else in the process if you don't regroup.
This is the shit. The left have opened up full on war. I said earlier I wouldn't post the solution. Not that I am afraid of the jackboots. It is the uselessness of trying to make the useless useful.
Step aside @QueenCatofAragon
@Sanguine
No, this means weapons at dawn.
@Sanguine
No, this means weapons at dawn.
Granted. So why do we have to continue compromising on the Constitution? Because that's what is getting thrown out, bit by bit when we do. NO more. There comes a point where there is no more room to give in, nothing left to give up, without materially changing the agreement. The Constitution is, after all, an agreement between the States. Now stick to that, if you don't mind, I don't recall reopening negotiations.
The basic element of the American Government was setup that both sides sit down talk and find a common ground. Sometimes you do have to Compromise. The Constitution was founded on a Compromise.
Ok.Well, Fred, I look at just one of my grand fathers. He inherited the half of the farm in timber. He had land (covered with trees), a sawmill, a wife and 4 kids. He cleared the land, sliced the trees up and made tobacco barns, he planted crops, fished, and did what he had to to feed his family. The bottom line: he rolled up his sleeves and got to work. He trusted in Almighty God for help, and he got it.
ALL OF YOU.
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@ All of you
What made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest generation?
What gave you the ability to sit here now and talk such stupid shit?
How many of you "knew" someone from that generation?
How many of you actually had the chance to hear what they had to say?
Not many talked of what they saw, did, or endured.
But one thing was absolutey clear.
Babyfaced mama boys. Depression era people. Rich or poor. Shit happened to people that needed to happen AT THAT TIME.
They all united to overcome.
Ya'll sit here and debate stupid shit. Principles yada yada yada
People can claim it was some Holy Crusade.
It was the worst human beings could inflict on other human beings. Evil won.
And then evil disappeared from the "greatest generation".
You know why?
They didn't compromise. They didn't back down from their principles. They didn't back down from their faith.
You know how I know this?
Because of this stupid effing "debate".
Nah Just kidding. I know this because I Live this FU88888 life.
The great Iggy:
I think we underestimate how little the nevertrump shitbirds actually believe in conservative political principles.
They like to debate the theory of conservatism and they know they don't like a lot of prog ideas but in a lot of ways these political commentators are apolitical.
In a way they are the only real conservative ideologues.
True conservatives embrace a political philosophy, not an ideology, and therefore are engaged in a battle to implement a nuts and bolts, practical political framework to maximize liberty, limit government and prevent power grabs by the state.
The nevertrump ideologues have always been characterized by a pie-in-the-sky debating society in which some future conservative paradise will blossom and the entire world will enjoy Georgetown cocktail parties, fine cigars and wearing docker shoes without socks, khakis and blue blazers.
They adhere to a vague cultural conservatism and wish to leave the politics to the hired help. It's not that they all are or even any of them are rich. They just think they should be. In a just, culturally conservative world, men who swank about writing boring political drivel and cultural dirges would actually own vast Sea Cucks and the Trumps of the world would be swabbing their poop decks for them.
T Coddington Van Voorhess VII is a caricature to us, but an aspiration to them.
And BTW, Goldbrick's commentary has always been "colorful" in the same way the high school nerd with the permanent melvin wrote colorful commentary for the school newspaper.
He's an adolescent hack and always has been. If I read another lame segue about his effin dog or another retarded Star Wars reference I'm gonna gag.
How many of you "knew" someone from that generation?
Clarice Feldman FB: 18 minutes
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Will he try? Probably. He seems to view himself as a crusader. Whether he’d get far is another story. By the end of the campaign, the only outside support he really had was from Courtland Sykes and Steve Bannon.
True conservatives embrace a political philosophy, not an ideology, and therefore are engaged in a battle to implement a nuts and bolts, practical political framework to maximize liberty, limit government and prevent power grabs by the state.
I hope he doesn't, or gets beaten if he does. Here we are, approaching the bottom of the thread (I hope!) and I've reflected on it a bit. We don't need the distraction going into the General Election.
Roy Moore's hill is not one for us to die upon.
I hope he doesn't, or gets beaten if he does. Here we are, approaching the bottom of the thread (I hope!) and I've reflected on it a bit. We don't need the distraction going into the General Election.
Roy Moore's hill is not one for us to die upon.
I hope he doesn't, or gets beaten if he does. Here we are, approaching the bottom of the thread (I hope!) and I've reflected on it a bit. We don't need the distraction going into the General Election.
Roy Moore's hill is not one for us to die upon.
@Cyber Liberty
I respectfully and strongly disagree! IMHO it is exactly the kind of hill we need to live or die on!
I got a few Doug Jones bumper stickers (got them as a lark, I have a distant cousin by that name and Doug was giving away free stickers and cousin wanted a few). I will send you one if you want since you had rather the lib win.
Me, I will keep my Roy Moore sticker on my truck, whether he runs or not. If not, I will probable write him in the next election anyway.
The GOPe are pushing some Mobile RINO now anyway instead of perhaps Palmer or Mo Brooks. Both of whom have a decent conservative voting record.
I agree this dirty play has to be defanged somehow, but I have a hard time believing there are no other rock-ribbed conservatives in AL.
It's not a matter of whether or not there are others. It's a matter of not defending the people's choice regardless of who that is and until that stops the establishment wins every time.
It's not a matter of whether or not there are others. It's a matter of not defending the people's choice regardless of who that is and until that stops the establishment wins every time.
So, if the "people" nominate a moderate in the primary you'll be right here fighting for that guy...right? Me thinks not.
As much as I disliked it, the voters did make their choice and the entire country has a pro-abort, anti-gun leftist in the Senate. This may come as a shock to some upthread, but I am not a supporter of that kind of Senator.
It's up to AL, not me. But I'm entitled to register my preference because of the fact it affects the whole country. If the AL Republicans decide it's Moore, then I will be there in support and defense of the candidate.
As I was before and will be again. But you can bet your azz that the establishment won't!
Why would I want a Doug Jones bumper-sticker?
@Cyber Liberty
I respectfully and strongly disagree! IMHO it is exactly the kind of hill we need to live or die on!
We agree. Especially about the GOPe part! :beer:
I believe he is implying, correctly or not, that by sabotaging Roy Moore, you contributed to the election of Doug Jones.
It's the old binary choice thing ... always relevant.
I believe he is implying, correctly or not, that by sabotaging Roy Moore, you contributed to the election of Doug Jones.
It's the old binary choice thing ... always relevant.
....and yet I still have to gag reading all my fellow Briefers telling me essentially, "I'm gonna sit this out..." fill-in-the-excuse or virtue bruised.
@Emjay
LOL! Be careful, dear.
That concept seems impossible to grasp for too many otherwise, nice people here.
Would love to see the results of a serious study as to what what political event turned one on to politics.
Moved into the D.C. Region the day George Wallace was shot at a plaza in Laurel, MD. Two exits before mine.
May, 1972. Arthur Bremer.
Gas lines. Odd even days. 15% 30 year fixed rate mortgages.
A Georgian scientist unable to delegate, as POTUS. Unsuccessful rescue attempt for our Iranian-held hostages.
Along came Ronald Reagan and later Rush Limbaugh, and I knew exactly what kind of 'Conservative' I was, and still am today.
I'm hoping and praying that there are millions more 40 year olds out there that had Donald Trump affect them the way Reagan hit me.
I take a look at the Democrat Party today.
Do you think they pulled this AOC- girl rock group out of their behinds?
Imagine the power these b******* would enjoy under Madam Hillary?
We were THAT freaking close, boys and girls.
....and yet I still have to gag reading all my fellow Briefers telling me essentially, "I'm gonna sit this out..." fill-in-the-excuse or virtue bruised.
What I find painful is that so many seem to think voting is going to fix the problems.
What I find painful is that so many seem to think voting is going to fix the problems.
What I find painful is that so many seem to think voting is going to fix the problems.
I'm pretty good with a computer or a rolling pin. What have you got?
Oh, and I don't do dawn. Can we agree to 10am?
@Sanguine
Yeah, ten's good. After coffee, though.
Of course. But if you know karate, I might have to bring my rolling pin.
I got karate.
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Be careful how you use it.
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Be careful how you use it.
@QueenCatofAragon
@Sanguine
Still marketed and sold in the UK.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hai-Karate-Original-After-Shave/dp/B00TCG7YH0 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hai-Karate-Original-After-Shave/dp/B00TCG7YH0)
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Be careful how you use it.
@DCPatriot Congrats for hanging in. I'm gonna have to take another timeout. The ignorance and ugliness displayed by too many on this forum are too painful for me to take right now. Maybe in a fe weeks.
@QueenCatofAragon and anyone else still clinging to their false perceptions of Leigh Corfman.
DEPOSITION: Roy Moore Accuser’s Lawyer Said She ‘F—d Everybody in Gadsden, Including Himself’ (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/deposition-roy-moore-accusers-lawyer-said-she-f-d-everybody-in-gadsden-including-himself/)
@QueenCatofAragon and anyone else still clinging to their false perceptions of Leigh Corfman.
DEPOSITION: Roy Moore Accuser’s Lawyer Said She ‘F—d Everybody in Gadsden, Including Himself’ (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/deposition-roy-moore-accusers-lawyer-said-she-f-d-everybody-in-gadsden-including-himself/)
You’re under the delusion that most people believe Roy Moore is innocent. The exact opposite is true. You have to look very hard to find the tiny minority who don’t recognize Moore for the sleaze that he is.
@QueenCatofAragon
I'm under no delusions at all and I haven't had to look for people who don't believe Roy Moore to be any kind of pervert. There are plenty of them all DETERMINED to see this damned "Slander and defame the opposition candidate at the last minute" page forcibly ripped out of the playbook.
Have a good Friday, @Bigun.
'Roy Moore' should be put on the TBR Ban List, it's as toxic as bringing up Trump at a Thanksgiving Dinner with your #MAGA family (been there, done that, 3 years running). painful
That's right, @corbeThe difference it makes is one of precedent.
"...at this point, what difference does it make?"
Eff, Roy Moore! :laugh:
You’re doing precisely the same lousy, crappy thing that defense lawyers for rapists do. You’re putting the woman on the stand and attempting to paint her as a slut who had it coming ( even if she was a minor at the time, for God’s sake).
Sexton, the lawyer who trashed his own client, is partner in the law firm Gentle Turner Sexton and Harbison. Edgar Gentle is the treasurer of the state Democratic Party. In any other context you would dismiss anything Sexton said on that basis alone—in fact, I’ll bet if we went back to the old thread when the news of this meeting & Breitbart’s attempted bribe came out, you were doing just that. But now you’re taking his word as gospel.
The nutcase author of this piece of “journalism†is the creator of a Facebook page called “The God-Emperor Trumpâ€, and a big fan of Alex Jones, Infowars, and Roger Stone. His Twitter page reads like a 16 year old incel who can’t get dates and whose shut-in life revolves around memes.
Fallacy to attack the source.... but whatever...
Here is a liberal publication that says the same thing... Brandon (the reporter) being the only half way fair reporter on the team there.
https://www.alreporter.com/2019/03http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;quote=1934701;topic=353171.425;last_msg=1934701/08/moore-defense-team-subpoenas-corfman-attorneys-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3MnY75unoSjrzijO64p8uJK1pq-WeufWFBckyiMjoOnqn2KHMRMkfdEAo (https://www.alreporter.com/2019/03/08/moore-defense-team-subpoenas-corfman-attorneys-interview/?fbclid=IwAR3MnY75unoSjrzijO64p8uJK1pq-WeufWFBckyiMjoOnqn2KHMRMkfdEAo)
That's right, @corbe
"...at this point, what difference does it make?"
Eff, Roy Moore! :laugh:
I agree. ( that declaring guilt by the number of people in the chorus reeks of a lynch mob mentality.)
He had me since Billie Jean and Thriller.
Brilliant deviant.
Odd choice there, Doug Jones defended UAB from a lawsuit for allowing a young gymnast (age 15, recruited at 14) while she got statutory raped and drugged by half the football team and half the other athletic dept.
http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html (http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html)
*Crickets from you every time I pointed this out....
Odd I pointed out this out (about how inappropriate it was to have someone in position of power in local democrat party handling the case) in the previous threads about Moore and you promptly ignored me or just went on a hissy fit of posting horse photos. It only came out by accident that he represented her at all.
@QueenCatofAragon @corbe @Smokin Joe @DCPatriot @Bigun @musiclady
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!
ha ha ha
(spit)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353074.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,353074.0.html)
ha ha ha
@Sighlass
What? If you’re trying to make a point I don’t even see what it is.
Whatever it is, we’re even, considering how many crickets I got from y’all when I pointed stuff out.
I don't see this with Moore. That is why I am asking for boots on the ground assessment, @Sighlass
If you've met this man and your spidey sense is on then yeah @QueenCatofAragon, Otherwise, be wise. The last pitch effort that @Bigun elucidated should in fact be fact.
So different. So different. But all the same way.
Proprietary.
Obstruction.
TMI
My wife was raped by a moneyed man when she was 13. They convicted him. A few days in jail. My (later to be) FIL went after him with a gun. They told him they would get him the next time. My wife was his first victim. But it took until the 4th time (another girl) before he did any real time. AND STILL (small rural shit) to this day, it is STILL that 13 year old girls fault. My wife. And we have been together for 33 years.
I don't see this with Moore. That is why I am asking for boots on the ground assessment, @Sighlass
I spent 5 years in prison with assholes who hurt women and kids. I get it. I get it. I killed a MF who was a predator. He was beating her. Poisoning her. Branding her. I dint kill him to save her. He made the mistake of trying to kill me. So I saved myself. That she thanked my wife later for me saving her..if that is how she felt, then I did.
Don't stop saying what you feel and believe @QueenCatofAragon . Don't stop. Nor should @Bigun. I think you are on the same sure. Just maybe one dune out of site of each-us. (no typos)
Peace out
Now @Bigun, bless him, and a few other folks might crow and take that as me backing down,...
@QueenCatofAragon
I don't take it that way at all. But I do have very different opinions about the character of Roy Moore and I will not stand idly by and let his character be assassinated.
Have a GREAT weekend!
@Bigun
You should have stopped him before he accomplished it. 🤷🏻â€â™€ï¸
Thanks, and to you, too!
Roy Moore 'seriously considering' another Senate bid after 2017 failure
by Daniel Jativa
| March 09, 2019 09:42 AM
| Updated Mar 09, 2019, 10:32 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/roy-moore-seriously-considering-another-senate-bid-after-2017-failure (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/roy-moore-seriously-considering-another-senate-bid-after-2017-failure)
This time around, however, the National Republican Senatorial Committee isn't keen on standing by a Moore candidacy, pledging to do everything in its power to block his ascension to the GOP nomination.
Is anyone living in Alabama on this thread?
Yes.
From the linked article:
QuoteThis time around, however, the National Republican Senatorial Committee isn't keen on standing by a Moore candidacy, pledging to do everything in its power to block his ascension to the GOP nomination.
As if they stood by the Moore candidacy previously. What a bunch of 1st class liars they are!
Who?
As if they stood by the Moore candidacy previously. What a bunch of 1st class liars they are!
So the GOP should spend money and prestige this time on a candidate who's lost three statewide campaigns? Is this your thesis?
The very first thing they should do is stop misleading folks by acting as if they had supported Moore previously. The second thing they should do is throw their full support behind whomever the good people of Alabama decide to nominate regardless of who that might be. That is, after all, how this is supposed to work!
You mean like when Arthur Jones ran in IL?
The very first thing they should do is stop misleading folks by acting as if they had supported Moore previously. The second thing they should do is throw their full support behind whomever the good people of Alabama decide to nominate regardless of who that might be. That is, after all, how this is supposed to work!
I don't know if Moore is a "creep" or not, even if "everybody says" he is. It's beside the point. If a candidate is a creep, a week after the final ballots are printed is a suspicious time to allege it.
I'd like to see the 11th-hour dropping of sex-related allegations arrow be removed from the Rat's quiver of tactics against Republicans.
It worked like a charm against Moore, so well in fact they trotted it out within a year after the Kavenaugh hearings on the SJC were completed. Republicans can count on a steady diet of this crap if they can't figure out how to stop it. It's like a Pitcher who knows a Batter can't hit a a high, outside fastball. He'll deliver nothing but that pitch until the batter learns how to hit it.
Is anyone living in Alabama on this thread?
1. Is the issue merely the age of the females, or
2. Was Moore credibly accused of ever forcing himself on any female?
“I’m seriously considering it. I think that was stolen,†Moore said of the race during a Friday interview.
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He should have thwarted the robbery with his girl gun.
He should have thwarted the robbery with his girl gun.
Or people can take the picture for what it means, Moore was addressing (at their request) the gun rights group BamaCarry (of which I am a member)....
It is a Constitutional Carry group and advocates for individuals to carry any method they prefer (be it Open Carry or as Roy Moore showed, Concealed Carry)....
Roy was very supportive of our grassroots group (BamaCarry). BamaCarry is the largest gun rights group in the state and supports GOA moreso than the NRA (which has failed to promote gun rights in state that came up for votes, example: Castle rule to include cars).
But no, instead folks just squeak about size of the scary gun. I Conceal Carry myself and a gun not much bigger than Moore proudly showed and my second gun of choice is also a revolver.
https://www.bamacarry.org/ (https://www.bamacarry.org/)
Arthur Jones was a paper candidate in a safe Democratic seat, running because they literally could not find a single Republican in that district willing to bother. He was never going to win.
You mean like when Arthur Jones ran in IL?
(http://cdn.media.rollcall.com/author/2017/08/ALPOL17_BC_002_080317.jpg)
https://www.rollcall.com/politics/roy-moore-wife-gun (https://www.rollcall.com/politics/roy-moore-wife-gun)
In this case, it was literally a girl gun.
(http://cdn.media.rollcall.com/author/2017/08/ALPOL17_BC_002_080317.jpg)Big whoop. I carry a .38+P ladysmith airweight hammerless in my parka in the winter. It's light, will function in the pocket until empty. If I need to I'll shoot right through the coat with it. I'm not out to impress anyone with the size of my gun, I'm out to stop the criminal. What works, works.
https://www.rollcall.com/politics/roy-moore-wife-gun (https://www.rollcall.com/politics/roy-moore-wife-gun)
In this case, it was literally a girl gun.
(http://cdn.media.rollcall.com/author/2017/08/ALPOL17_BC_002_080317.jpg)
https://www.rollcall.com/politics/roy-moore-wife-gun (https://www.rollcall.com/politics/roy-moore-wife-gun)
In this case, it was literally a girl gun.
Some people should read a ballistics table. That's especially true, if you plan on shooting (wasting) a +P load from a 2" barrel through heavy clothing and into another person's heavy clothing.
(http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/38special.png)
Whatevs. People choose their carry weapon with more considerations in mind than ballistics. Is it light? Is it reliable? Is in maneuverable inside a large pocket? As I stated above, I knew of a cop who carried that gun on the job every day, after he qualified for it.
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Now, to the topic...Would Roy Moore be a nightmare fo the GOP if he ran? I dunno. I know a lot of folks (who don't live in AL) would rather he didn't, whatever their reasons. Afraid he'll snatch away a sure win in AL? He'd be a PITA in the Senate of he did win? Who knows. :shrug:
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Now, back to the topic. The biggest problems Moore had in the latter stages of the campaign were his disappearance and terrible representation. His campaign spokeswoman couldn’t even really speak for him. I don’t see him attracting top quality help in his effort.
Some people should read a ballistics table. That's especially true, if you plan on shooting (wasting) a +P load from a 2" barrel through heavy clothing and into another person's heavy clothing.Why thank you for that. I guess I could spend all day digging for something more substantial.
(http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/38special.png)
I wondered about that. Was it the scandal distraction, or was it just poor planning?
Can I recommend the .357 with a 10" barrel? Well over 1,000 ft-lbs. Not very concealable though.
Scrooge that girly concealed garbage, go for broke...
Now, back to the topic. The biggest problems Moore had in the latter stages of the campaign were his disappearance and terrible representation. His campaign spokeswoman couldn’t even really speak for him. I don’t see him attracting top quality help in his effort.
It is easy to stand back now and say how you would of done a better job.
The 2" .38 is a great carry gun!
ETA: I've seen liberals squawk that people carry to mask some sexual inferiority, then jeer that's a "girl gun."
It was also easy to say it at the time and many did. When he did send people into the lion’s den, they were terrible. Janet Porter couldn’t or wouldn’t answer direct questions about statements Moore had made in the past.....
Yep. Have one in .44 Rem Magnum. Just doesn't fit in the Parka Pocket. :laugh:
As the story goes.....
An old-time sheriff was at a banquet. A woman approached him and said, "I see you're carrying your sidearm, Sheriff. Are you expecting trouble?" The sheriff replied, "No, Ma'am. If I was expecting trouble, I'd have brought my rifle."
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Available in pistol calibers at a store near you.
1. Is the issue merely the age of the females, or
2. Was Moore credibly accused of ever forcing himself on any female?
BOTH WERE LIES..and proven as such. The "young" girl made up the story and forged name of Moore in her annual. Proven. There was nothing..there! He did neither! The LEFTS have no issue with muslims marrying a ONE YEAR OLD GIRL CHILD nor consummating at ANY AGE.....she dies, dies. The LEFT are the pedophiles & perverts. PIZZAGATE. Evangelicals need to grow some and NOT ALLLOW lies, being put out there, instead of believing smut. right away.
It is like they enjoy smut, so they can virtue signal..how much better they are over the common man. NOT WHAT CHRIST INTENDED.
What? You're saying Roy Moore is a muslim? How did muslims get in the thread?
:beer:
Geezizz.....the thread that will not die! 9999hair out0000
You can't be surprised... :laugh:
What? You're saying Roy Moore is a muslim? How did muslims get in the thread?
Muslims, minorities express relief over Doug Jones' senate win.... (*and a few TBR members)
https://www.al.com/living/2017/12/muslims_minorities_express_rel.html (https://www.al.com/living/2017/12/muslims_minorities_express_rel.html)
Geezizz.....the thread that will not die! 9999hair out0000
@edpc
It’s already taken a slight detour into firearms. When it starts becoming a theological or Civil War debate, that’s when you’ll know it’s having the final death throes.
Obviously what passes for beer is kool-aid.
Muslims, minorities express relief over Doug Jones' senate win.... (*and a few TBR members)
https://www.al.com/living/2017/12/muslims_minorities_express_rel.html (https://www.al.com/living/2017/12/muslims_minorities_express_rel.html)
Would that be intelligent and discerning "kool-aid"?
Or your "I love a politician no matter what" kind? happy77
Seems to me that, according to your insult, "kool-aid" comes in a variety of flavors.
Mine encourages freedom of thought and fair-minded critiques of character, and a healthy dose of humor........
Thus, the :beer: to Sanguine, whose comment was very funny.
(btw, next time you decide to insult and accuse me @Sighlass, have the courage to do it directly. KAY?? You're better than this).
@musiclady
I really don’t get the coy “some members†/ “some people here†stuff that you see being posted by tough conservative men. I remember that kind of thing from middle school girl cliques.
@musiclady
I really don’t get the coy “some members†/ “some people here†stuff that you see being posted by tough conservative men. I remember that kind of thing from middle school girl cliques.
Good parallel.
There's one guy here who never posts directly to me, but posts insults about me (and not infrequently).
Even when I was IN middle school, and was obviously a girl, I had more courage than that.
Not really the tough guys they pretend to be, are they?
@QueenCatofAragon
@musiclady
Really? If all that's true you would not have used the term "some guy" and instead used @xxxxxxx.
Back on topic ... Roy Moore was railroaded and accused by RINO's and leftists. We just couldn't have a conservative take the seat now could we?
I see that a lot. I see a lot of complaints about "uneven moderation" too, whatever that means.
Playing favorites. I’ve never seen it happen, tbh.
It doesn't happen.
Would that be intelligent and discerning "kool-aid"?
Or your "I love a politician no matter what" kind? happy77
Seems to me that, according to your insult, "kool-aid" comes in a variety of flavors.
Mine encourages freedom of thought and fair-minded critiques of character, and a healthy dose of humor........
Thus, the :beer: to Sanguine, whose comment was very funny.
(btw, next time you decide to insult and accuse me @Sighlass, have the courage to do it directly. KAY?? You're better than this).
I just had somebody on another thread accuse me of being a mean/abusive Admin because I disagreed with him about something. That's OK, I didn't care. 333cleo
Why you have been buzzing the thread for days doing your pop-in and out "yeah" posts. I decided to draw you out (easy enough to do). @musiclady
As far as Sanguine's comment being funny, well I guess that is subjective to just how much you despair Roy Moore? Even if someone wholeheartedly hated Moore, I didn't see the comment as funny and for once even @LegalAmerican seemed rational in comparison.
It boils down to any of the distractors is yall can not provide a shred of evidence to the guilt of Roy Moore, and you don't care. Your lastest posts claim Roy just should of shown them folks he was not guilty so he must be guilty. Now it has been proven that most his condemners are nuts in the ninth degree, you have your pride to protect. Pride I understand, it has been a stumble stone I too (and most of us at TBR) deal with. Pride was the tool I used to pull you out of the shadows on this subject (and after being sore at me for pointing this out we can at least discuss the matter in the open, which I see you are already doing).
Why you have been buzzing the thread for days doing your pop-in and out "yeah" posts. I decided to draw you out (easy enough to do). @musiclady
As far as Sanguine's comment being funny, well I guess that is subjective to just how much you despair Roy Moore? Even if someone wholeheartedly hated Moore, I didn't see the comment as funny and for once even @LegalAmerican seemed rational in comparison.
It boils down to any of the distractors is yall can not provide a shred of evidence to the guilt of Roy Moore, and you don't care. Your lastest posts claim Roy just should of shown them folks he was not guilty so he must be guilty. Now it has been proven that most his condemners are nuts in the ninth degree, you have your pride to protect. Pride I understand, it has been a stumble stone I too (and most of us at TBR) deal with. Pride was the tool I used to pull you out of the shadows on this subject (and after being sore at me for pointing this out we can at least discuss the matter in the open, which I see you are already doing).
You decided to draw me out?? ROFLOL! What a joke!! :silly:M'am, with all due respect, I don't see a God in Roy Moore.
I'm not the enemy because I see Roy Moore differently than you do, so all this tripe you just posted is meaningless.
You insulted me without the courtesy of posting directly to me.
You know I am a consistent conservative. You know I am honest and fair. You know that I ask others to treat women with respect. You know that I don't mince words, and that I deal with others directly.
I expect the same of the men I respect, and you are one of them.
Your only blind spot seems to be abject hatred of anyone who looks at Roy Moore and doesn't see a god who has been maligned unfairly, and that anyone who says a negative word about him is somehow under Marxist influence and a fool.
All I will say is that you, and a couple of others, are wrong.
Conservatism isn't about blind loyalty. It's about discernment and principles, including moral principles.
That's where I am, and other than your Moore-blindness, so are you.
@Sighlass - next time you want to make absurd accusations about me, at least be decent enough to do it to my face. You're not a coward. Don't act like one.
And if you want to look at me as the enemy because I don't share your love for Moore, just put me on ignore, or scroll by my posts.
If you want to have honest dialogue, I'm up for it. But cut the crap.
I'm willing to wait and see what you decide, assuming Moore does run. I have an opinion, sure, but only the voters of Alabama have the final say. Choose wisely, as I know you will.
Yep...it’s time again:Yep. I considered it..
So, have y’all considered that God really wanted the Confederacy to win?
Oh and I really think the 9mm is a superior cartridge to the .45 ACP
@Smokin Joe - please see the edit to my post above.Well, m'am, If you didn't read what I said, kindly do me the courtesy of not bothering to respond, either. Thank You.
After this post, I'm not coming back to this thread for ANY reason............ not even to respond to whatever it is you said (which I didn't read).
You boys have fun, y'hear? :seeya:
....
As far as Sanguine's comment being funny, well I guess that is subjective to just how much you despair Roy Moore? Even if someone wholeheartedly hated Moore, I didn't see the comment as funny and for once even @LegalAmerican seemed rational in comparison.
....
Why you have been buzzing the thread for days doing your pop-in and out "yeah" posts. I decided to draw you out (easy enough to do). @musiclady
As far as Sanguine's comment being funny, well I guess that is subjective to just how much you despair Roy Moore? Even if someone wholeheartedly hated Moore, I didn't see the comment as funny and for once even @LegalAmerican seemed rational in comparison.
It boils down to any of the distractors is yall can not provide a shred of evidence to the guilt of Roy Moore, and you don't care. Your lastest posts claim Roy just should of shown them folks he was not guilty so he must be guilty. Now it has been proven that most his condemners are nuts in the ninth degree, you have your pride to protect. Pride I understand, it has been a stumble stone I too (and most of us at TBR) deal with. Pride was the tool I used to pull you out of the shadows on this subject (and after being sore at me for pointing this out we can at least discuss the matter in the open, which I see you are already doing).
Those who rushed to judgement in this know who they are
I just had somebody on another thread accuse me of being a mean/abusive Admin because I disagreed with him about something. That's OK, I didn't care. 333cleo
Yep...it’s time again:
So, have y’all considered that God really wanted the Confederacy to win?
Oh and I really think the 9mm is a superior cartridge to the .45 ACP
@Smokin JoeSay what you want, but the ink wasn't dry on the headlines before you were damning the man right here in this forum. Just like the accusations against Moore, repetition does not make them any more true.
Well, I know you aren't talking about me, because as I've stated about three hundred times by now, including on this thread, I waited to form my opinion. And I'm quite optimistic that the 300th time finally sunk in.
M'am, with all due respect, I don't see a God in Roy Moore.
But I do see someone who has had serious allegations made about him using 'evidence' that simply does not stand up to scrutiny, and 40 years after the alleged activities were to have taken place. Those people had ample other opportunities to make these allegations, even as electoral fodder, but did not. Only when the question came of this man vying for a Senate seat in the US Senate did they surface.
Timing. Aside from the above, the 11th hour "October surprise" timing was indeed done to hurt Judge Moore at the polls. Media Bias: The supposedly autographed yearbook was actually written in three colors of ink. Something you would not know from viewing the images posted by most media outlets. The initials "D.A." after the signature were the initials of an assistant who signed documents for the Judge, and included the initials to indicate it was she who signed for him. They didn't have squat to do with his office. THere are at least two different line angles in the writing in the yearbook, possibly three, which indicate that the book or hand were moved between writing those lines.
IOW, that "evidence" is highly suspect of being a forgery, or at least doctored. But the presentation of the writing in the media is monochromatic (black), and not even a true representation of what was written there.
In addition, lest we forget, Judge Moore is seen as hostile to the GLBTQ crowd because he would not defy the Constitution of the State of Alabama to order judges to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. His job at the time, his oath of office required him to uphold that State Constitution, and not the rulings of a District Court Judge who had issued him no memo or order anyway. Doug Jones' son is gay. 'nuff said.
The Democrats desperately wanted that seat. They even had out of State money fund social media campaigns against Judge Moore.
As for Moore's reaction, how would you react if suddenly (out of the Blue) you were accused, very publicly of being a child molester, in the MSM, social media, etc., and blitzed with this material? Even the GOP (e) couldn't distance themselves from the man fast enough, dropping any support within three days, and publicly announcing such, further hurting his chance at the polls. Suddenly deserted, accused of long ago vile wrongdoings by people you may not even recall? You'd be gobsmacked, especially if you were innocent of those allegations.
Now, if you are a fan of ignoring the bias inherent in these dirty smear tactics, that is your prerogative. If you are a fan of Trial by Facebook, go for it. If you are willing to let the Democrats and the MSM call the shots, have at.
If, however, you believe in the principle of Innocent until Proven Guilty, especially in a case where the past behaviour of the candidate does not belie any preclusion toward pedophilia, then at least take time to examine the so-called evidence, the refuted allegations of 'mall crawling' and eviction therefrom--a total fabrication--that just did not happen, and other allegations of misconduct that a new District Attorney's office holder (at the time alleged) would be particularly cognizant of as something to even avoid the appearance of, then you would not ever rush to judgement of Judge Moore. Some are overwhelmed by a sense of self-importance when they take office, others feel the full force of the mantle of responsibility they have take up. I believe Judge Moore to be one of the latter.
As subsequent disclosures have shown, Judge Moore was the victim of a substantial and malicious smear campaign, particularly targeted at evangelical voters. He was wronged, not just by those who accused him, but by the media who reveled in the smears, and the members of his own Party who couldn't ditch him fast enough.
Those who rushed to judgement in this know who they are, and know more of their rationale than I, but I would remind them that there is such a thing as the presumption of innocence, especially with allegations made by people intimately connected to opposition forces at the 11th hour of an election campaign.
YMMV, for now it is still a free country.
Say what you want, but the ink wasn't dry on the headlines before you were damning the man right here in this forum. Just like the accusations against Moore, repetition does not make them any more true.
@Sighlass
So who were the TBR members who celebrated Doug Jones' win? You never did get back to me on that.
@Smokin Joe
Bullshit. Quit lying, Joe. It makes you look as though you’ll stoop to any level to defend that creep.
@Smokin JoeLying? Hell, I was shocked to see you rush to judgement. I had previously respected your opinions--far more than I do now.
Bullshit. Quit lying, Joe. It makes you look as though you’ll stoop to any level to defend that creep.
Lying? Hell, I was shocked to see you rush to judgement. I had previously respected your opinions--far more than I do now.
You were standing in the proverbial street, torch and rope in hand, almost as soon as the allegations were made. Despite those allegations and their purported evidence being debunked, you persist.
Your mind is made up.
Lying? Hell, I was shocked to see you rush to judgement. I had previously respected your opinions--far more than I do now.
You were standing in the proverbial street, torch and rope in hand, almost as soon as the allegations were made. Despite those allegations and their purported evidence being debunked, you persist.
Your mind is made up.
You will not look at any exculpatory evidence and it has been that way from day one.
Show me where you posted that he might be innocent. That you had any doubt. It hasn't happened.
I'm not stooping low, I'm just applying the same constitutional presumption of innocence that you or I or anyone accused of wrongdoing should get.
I read an account of something that was supposed to have happened 40 years ago that read like a mid-90s letter in Penthouse Forum, not like an account of a victim.
I saw a supposed yearbook signature that carried the initials of his assistant. It was in three different colors of ink, and the lines of writing were at two distinct angles.
What's more, the annotation was ridiculously redundant--not the hallmark of an attorney, even a new one.
Mall cruising? Nope. No evidence.
Kicked out of a Mall? Didn't happen. no record of anything like it.
Details about the placement of the dumpsters at the restaurant? Wrong.
The more you looked into the allegations, the more they stank.
Democrat party involvement on the part of the accusers? Universal, sometimes high in the local Party.
The list goes on. The whole smear doesn't hold water.
You threw him under the bus and pronounced judgement on him faster than the National GOP, and they didn't let any ink dry, either before they started pressuring him to bail (which would have appeared a tacit admission of guilt, something no innocent man would do) so they could get 'their guy' in the running.
@Smokin JoeI'm not lying, and I'm not the only person who saw it.
I didn’t stutter. You’re lying, and you’re very dramatic.
I guess I’ll just have to struggle through my days somehow without your respect.
BUMP THAT.
I'm not lying, and I'm not the only person who saw it.
Struggle away.
@Smokin JoeGood. You don't have it. Have a lovely day.
Then they’re lying, too. *shrug*
You do realize, don’t you, Joe, that I’m saying I don’t give a crap about your respect? I mean at this point, if I had to explain even that to you, I wouldn’t be surprised, but...
:seeya:
You decided to draw me out?? ROFLOL! What a joke!! :silly:
I'm not the enemy because I see Roy Moore differently than you do, so all this tripe you just posted is meaningless.
You insulted me without the courtesy of posting directly to me.
You know I am a consistent conservative. You know I am honest and fair. You know that I ask others to treat women with respect. You know that I don't mince words, and that I deal with others directly.
I expect the same of the men I respect, and you are one of them.
Your only blind spot seems to be abject hatred of anyone who looks at Roy Moore and doesn't see a god who has been maligned unfairly, and that anyone who says a negative word about him is somehow under Marxist influence and a fool.
All I will say is that you, and a couple of others, are wrong.
Conservatism isn't about blind loyalty. It's about discernment and principles, including moral principles.
That's where I am, and other than your Moore-blindness, so are you.
@Sighlass - next time you want to make absurd accusations about me, at least be decent enough to do it to my face. You're not a coward. Don't act like one.
And if you want to look at me as the enemy because I don't share your love for Moore, just put me on ignore, or scroll by my posts.
ca
If you want to have honest dialogue, I'm up for it. But cut the crap.
Edited to add: I'm not coming back to this thread for anything, or anyone, but I just have to say that I've spent the last week out of state, visiting with family and friends, going to concerts and shoveling snow, and the idea that I've been lurking on this thread just to cause trouble and that I need to be called out for it STILL has me laughing.
Some people........ and you know who you are.......... need to get a proverbial life and let the rest of us think for ourselves.
@Sighlass
Are you really serious? That’s what you call celebrating Jones’ win? Two people admitting Moore was going to lose and another saying she would have stayed home? Lol, no.
I want to see TBR members expressing happiness that Jones won. Where is it?
(You made a YouTube video? About a Roy Moore post? Good grief).
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too.
@Smokin Joe
I know I'm paranoid but I wonder how many of these people are who they say. How many are real people, real conservatives or even real Americans. We know the left uses paid trolls and bots to manipulate social media. We also know there is no low they will not go to in order to further their agenda. They have virtually unlimited funding supporting their global agenda and nothing else to do.
Twice already I have seen you @QueenCatofAragon and @musiclady suggest some of us (I was named) as worshiping Moore... Odd cause I remember protesting both his association with Steve Bannon and Trump during the election... I said there was no need for Moore to even be around them...I also pointed out Moore's son was a thorn at times because he was bad to do stupid things (like a spoiled brat)... Just as @Smokin Joe does, we give our opinion good or bad when called for. There is no worship of Moore anymore than any other person.
Get a new line of argument... cause that one don't float. Never did.
If Moore wins the primary in 2020. I think he beats Jones in a rematch. None of those allegations were meant to stick back in 2017 which is why they have all been refuted. Shallow accusations to manipulate voters one month before the election.
http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/ (http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/)
If Moore wins the primary in 2020. I think he beats Jones in a rematch. None of those allegations were meant to stick back in 2017 which is why they have all been refuted. Shallow accusations to manipulate voters one month before the election.
http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/ (http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/)
If Moore wins the primary in 2020. I think he beats Jones in a rematch. None of those allegations were meant to stick back in 2017 which is why they have all been refuted. Shallow accusations to manipulate voters one month before the election.
http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/ (http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/)
:2popcorn:
Hey, dude. Hand me some of that popcorn, will ya? This thread is like a fascinating train wreck that you just can't look away from!
If Moore wins the primary in 2020. I think he beats Jones in a rematch. None of those allegations were meant to stick back in 2017 which is why they have all been refuted.
I've got plenty to go around now that @Cyber Liberty had to give up his popcorn concession.
Who says I gave that up??
Competition will keep you on your toes.
Who says I gave that up??
Heard a rumor it was a downside to accepting the corner office! :tongue2:
One of the most illuminating revelations I ever had was also a little hard to swallow—at the time. It was when I realized that Republicans/conservatives are as sinful as the rest of humanity. It was a humbling conclusion to reach, because like many people who follow politics, I kind of carried around the idea that we’re a little more immune to bad behavior by virtue of the ideals and principles we follow.
But that’s the mistake. It’s the principles themselves that are lofty, not the people who hold them. Believing otherwise, I came to see, was arrogant. It flew in the face of everything I’ve read in Scripture. We’re all human, and we all pretty much suck. I can hear the “harrumphs†starting up, but that’s just pride. I didn’t like it either, but there it is.
That’s why, when I hear of a Republican who’s supposedly up to something, I don’t do that kneejerk thing anymore—“he’s one of our guys so he can’t be guilty, it can only be a set-up, etc., etc.â€. Sometimes it is a set-up. Sometimes the R isn’t guilty. But not always. Which is why I wait for information, and will continue to do so.
But some won’t. Because politics has become a religion. Terror of Hillary Clinton or the next election grips Republicans to such a soul-withering degree that they panic, and they put their faith in human beings as deliverers. In desperation, sinful people become sacred martyrs to be defended as bearers of the banners of morality. No matter how unfit the person might be. Because politics.
Anybody who wants to do it that way, have fun, but it’s a hard pass for me. 🤷🏻â€â™€ï¸
Yep, I do, and it was pointed out it was "gloating" on that very thread. And it wasn't just two people, I linked the thread, you do your own homework for once.
Gloat - To feel or express great, often malicious, pleasure or self-satisfaction:
BTW... I think you were guest poster "Silver Pines" in that thread for those interested in where you stood.
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Again proven to be a lie.
@QueenCatofAragon
This may shock you, but I don't find a thing in that to disagree with! Nothing at all.
All I ask is that we look much more closely at 11th-hour attacks on our nominees and require some actual PROOF before we convict anyone. Is that asking too much?
@Bigun
Thank you, I appreciate that. And I get what you’re saying, too. But outside a court of law, proof as defined by law isn’t always available. So you have to weigh everything that comes out, stack it up, and go from there. That’s just how we have to make judgments in everyday life.
Exactly right @QueenCatofAragon! I do the exact same and will continue to do so. Maybe I've seen this lousy play effectively run more than you have but whatever the case, I'm sick of it.
And thank you!
@Bigun
:beer:
@Axeslinger
I love you, Axe, but considering we were fighting for slavery (at least in part according to some, and more according to others) I doubt it.
@QueenCatofAragon
Dammit Cat! I didn’t say i subscribed to that theory about the Confederacy...i just asked if people considered it.
But really, I’m just trying to derail this thread! It’s all part of my diabolical plan to make sure you don’t leave.
Nope, not derailed at all.Run him for POTUS! (OK, I said that to hear some heads explode). :smokin:
Honesty, Integrity, and Judge Roy Moore
By Gary Welch, National Communications Director of the Constitution Party
...."It is well known that Roy Moore was not the candidate that the Republican elitists wanted. His election was another blow to the party leaders that have taken the GOP to new lows and alienated their Republican base. Ordinary Republicans are starting to rebel against the direction that their party is taking and are fighting to elect true conservatives to office. Roy Moore was just another example of mainstream Republicans rejecting their party’s leadership choice and deciding to choose a candidate that represented their values, not the party elitists’.
The actions of the RNC (both in party leadership and government officials) clearly demonstrated to us that this was an act of political party that wanted to punish the Republicans of Alabama for daring to elect a candidate that would not “play ball†with the political elites. Roy Moore had made a name for himself in thumbing his nose at GOP leadership that failed to uphold the principles that they supposedly stood for. His election was just too much for them and they retaliated......"
https://www.constitutionparty.com/honesty-integrity-and-judge-roy-moore/ (https://www.constitutionparty.com/honesty-integrity-and-judge-roy-moore/)
Run him for POTUS! (OK, I said that to hear some heads explode). :smokin:
As a dem.No, they have plenty of real child molesters. He wouldn't stand a chance, considering they only lied about him.
No, they have plenty of real child molesters. He wouldn't stand a chance, considering they only lied about him.
He'd definitely be better than Hillary.
I would only want to see them suddenly paint him as a saint.I believe the darkening electoral horizon of 2020 heralds what Kurt Vonnegut Jr. referred to as a "pool-pah".
The turpitude of the left by the next election is going to be quite the show.
If Moore wins the primary in 2020. I think he beats Jones in a rematch. None of those allegations were meant to stick back in 2017 which is why they have all been refuted. Shallow accusations to manipulate voters one month before the election.
http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/ (http://www.deerstandhill.com/dont-confuse-a-2020-jones-moore-rematch-with-a-repeat-of-2017/)
I know about Moore. But all the NT's against president TRUMP need to listen to this. 11-6-2017. It goes to Moore too. It seems one has to be a saint to run for any office, and MOORE IS INNOCENT. So. NT'S ARE AGAINST ...GOD. Interesting huh?If God had the Nomination, I'd vote for Him.... :shrug:
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Nope, not derailed at all.
Honesty, Integrity, and Judge Roy Moore
By Gary Welch, National Communications Director of the Constitution Party
...."It is well known that Roy Moore was not the candidate that the Republican elitists wanted. His election was another blow to the party leaders that have taken the GOP to new lows and alienated their Republican base. Ordinary Republicans are starting to rebel against the direction that their party is taking and are fighting to elect true conservatives to office. Roy Moore was just another example of mainstream Republicans rejecting their party’s leadership choice and deciding to choose a candidate that represented their values, not the party elitists’.
The actions of the RNC (both in party leadership and government officials) clearly demonstrated to us that this was an act of political party that wanted to punish the Republicans of Alabama for daring to elect a candidate that would not “play ball†with the political elites. Roy Moore had made a name for himself in thumbing his nose at GOP leadership that failed to uphold the principles that they supposedly stood for. His election was just too much for them and they retaliated......"
https://www.constitutionparty.com/honesty-integrity-and-judge-roy-moore/ (https://www.constitutionparty.com/honesty-integrity-and-judge-roy-moore/)
@QueenCatofAragon
Dammit Cat! I didn’t say i subscribed to that theory about the Confederacy...i just asked if people considered it.
But really, I’m just trying to derail this thread! It’s all part of my diabolical plan to make sure you don’t leave.
I know about Moore. But all the NT's against president TRUMP need to listen to this. 11-6-2017. It goes to Moore too. It seems one has to be a saint to run for any office, and MOORE IS INNOCENT. So. NT'S ARE AGAINST ...GOD. Interesting huh?
@Sighlass
Can we not import hackneyed TOS stuff like “blog pimping?†Yeah, he should come on back and post, but last time I checked, this site’s rules are different, despite the fact that the old TOS groupthink standard is trying to gain a foothold here.
The day I start seeing the "I've been here since July 4, 1777, n00b" posts is the day I walk out.
@Polly Ticks
I saw the “noob†thing raise its head on a thread a few weeks ago. Please, no.
Ugh. That is so disappointing.
I'm not arrogant to think that anyone would miss me since I rarely have an opportunity to post much on anything of substance, but that one is still a hard 'no' for me. I guess it's a good thing I have been around less than ever the past couple of months.
@Polly Ticks
I saw the “noob†thing raise its head on a thread a few weeks ago. Please, no.
So. NT'S ARE AGAINST ...GOD. Interesting huh?
Here? I hope it got slapped right down.
@Sighlass
Can we not import hackneyed TOS stuff like “blog pimping?†Yeah, he should come on back and post, but last time I checked, this site’s rules are different, despite the fact that the old TOS groupthink standard is trying to gain a foothold here.
At least I welcomed him, you ignored 'em and only acknowledged their existence via a criticism of my term (of non-endearment it seems). Then you agreed my point was probable right (should come back and post).
I mentioned I liked their blog more than once actually (respectfully) and that it dug out things others didn't mention. I specified one example (he linked to leaked memos that talked about the Project Birmingham group evaluating their results of manipulating the voters in Alabama) and thanked them for it. @QueenCatofAragon @OldSchoolPike3Worker
I took time to read his newest link and read all eight pages (not a long read) of documents linked (basically just confirmed what came out recently that Corfman's lawyer did say some/all of those things about her being promiscuous but he also sorta lawyered-up on details when pressed). Sexton admitted he probable heard the "rumors" via a country club... I decided to look up and see if Roy was a member of a country club around then and seems he was (that does not add to Roy's defense but I tell it like I see it). Well at least Moore did frequent one at one time, can't prove membership. Seems the Country Club was the place to be back then.
I like @OldSchoolPike3Worker's blog posts, but I sure do wish he (?) would stick around and post. :shrug:
Might not be enough air left in the room to say much. :shrug:
Have you checked out his links he posted? There's good stuff in there. But maybe he saw the bickering and decided to pass. :chairbang:
I saw the bickering and put this thread on ignore.
At least I welcomed him, you ignored 'em and only acknowledged their existence via a criticism of my term (of non-endearment it seems). Then you agreed my point was probable right (should come back and post).
I mentioned I liked their blog more than once actually (respectfully) and that it dug out things others didn't mention. I specified one example (he linked to leaked memos that talked about the Project Birmingham group evaluating their results of manipulating the voters in Alabama) and thanked them for it. @QueenCatofAragon @OldSchoolPike3Worker
I took time to read his newest link and read all eight pages (not a long read) of documents linked (basically just confirmed what came out recently that Corfman's lawyer did say some/all of those things about her being promiscuous but he also sorta lawyered-up on details when pressed). Sexton admitted he probable heard the "rumors" via a country club... I decided to look up and see if Roy was a member of a country club around then and seems he was (that does not add to Roy's defense but I tell it like I see it). Well at least Moore did frequent one at one time, can't prove membership. Seems the Country Club was the place to be back then.
@Sighlass, I didn’t welcome him because I didn’t think he was here. I do not have the time nor the desire to read 8 pages of rehashed Roy Moore stuff. Like I said upthread, no one’s mind is going to be changed, including mine, by going over the details yet again.
@OldSchoolPike3Worker, welcome.
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I don't know where you found that, but it's great!
I've watched it twelve times trying to see how the light green one caught the dark one. ROFL!
Perfect for this thread. The dark one (Moore) looked like he had a runaway lead. But at the end the green one catches up. If you could see a bit more of that video I bet the dark takes a mystery turn and the green one wins.
Pretty sure the "wash" that car threw up caused the leader to lose some speed.
Perfect for this thread. The dark one (Moore) looked like he had a runaway lead. But at the end the green one catches up. If you could see a bit more of that video I bet the dark takes a mystery turn and the green one wins.
Pretty sure the "wash" that car threw up caused the leader to lose some speed.
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I thought that at first, too, @bigheadfred
But in the very beginning the light green was running up the dark one's ass. The wheel splash is inconclusive, IMO.
It appears the either:
a) the wheel bearings on the green one were newer
b) the dark green one had debris in it.
I've watched it twelve times trying to see how the light green one caught the dark one. ROFL!
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im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.
im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.
im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.
im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.Not all, but it is not uncommon. :pop41:
I've watched it twelve times trying to see how the light green one caught the dark one. ROFL!
Clearly, the brown can got water inside the distributor cap.
Welcome, @WalkingLiberty? You think we're quibbling over trash carts? Maybe...a little.
I've watched it twelve times trying to see how the light green one caught the dark one. ROFL!
There is a perfectly sound scientific explanation. Damned if I know what it is but I'll assure you there is one.
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There is a perfectly sound scientific explanation. Damned if I know what it is but I'll assure you there is one.
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One of them was moving faster when it was closer to the curb where the running water was?
im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.No. But mention Roy Moore, and it usually does.
As long as there's no white cans, everything should be good. Lighten up, Francis.
I still say it's mass and friction.
Party Animal.
im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.
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That seams to be true....
im new, hear. do all threads end up really strange like this one? All the quibbling, and, pettiness seams funny.
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LOL! Good observation, @WalkingLiberty Welcome!
Certain members who've been wrong in their predictions and prognostications regarding Donald Trump, the man, the candidate and the President, jump at any thread with Roy Moore in the topic.
It's a chance to do their 'mating dance'...like those colorful birds in the Amazon. An opportunity to display their brand of Conservatism.
No different than a home and boat show. :laugh:
@DCPatriot
Dude, I am not looking to do any mating here, so let’s get that on record.
LOL! I know! 888high58888
@DCPatriot
It’s five o’clock somewhere
:beer:
Yeah. When threads go this many pages they go all over the place. This has been a hotly debated topic. Not just because of how it turned out, but more of the general trend to overlook the faults of a candidate to make sure "our" side wins. I don't think that way. I don't vote that way.
I voted third party. Not for Trump, nor Hillary. If Hillary had won I was prepared to go to WAR.
Yeah. When threads go this many pages they go all over the place.
Couldn't resist!! Yeppers... It's Five O'Clock Somewhere. .... Pour me somethin' tall an' strong...!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfqtO88ZlBQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfqtO88ZlBQ#)
Oh NO! I thought you were well versed on politics. Third party? Total waste of a vote. THAT has zero to do with what is, for the good of the country. Those votes are to make YOU feel 'good". Forget about saving the country. 'If Hillary had won, I was prepared to go to war". = big head Fred
Just vote TRUMP and no need for war. People need to think of country...not their own little feelings.
I skipped the first 24 pages. Did anyone point out nobody is gonna give Roy money?
I skipped the first 24 pages. Did anyone point out nobody is gonna give Roy money?
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That seams to be true....
Your seems are askew.
@libertybele
Coming right up!
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(I can’t see TBR photos on this phone so I hope that worked) 🍹🍺🍷
@libertybele
Coming right up!
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(I can’t see TBR photos on this phone so I hope that worked) 🍹🍺🍷
I'm going to try some Absinthe tonight, after I feed the kitties. Pray for me....
Just drink original NyQuil. It has the same effect and anise flavor.
I'm going to try some Absinthe tonight, after I feed the kitties. Pray for me....
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I'm going to try some Absinthe tonight, after I feed the kitties. Pray for me....
@Cyber Liberty
I read ahead—-so you liked it, huh? No hallucinations? 😁
Wouldn’t mind trying it, but I can’t get past the licorice flavor, man.
Flavor??? Try the smell!
Lol, it’s that bad??
@Cyber Liberty
I read ahead—-so you liked it, huh? No hallucinations? 😁
Wouldn’t mind trying it, but I can’t get past the licorice flavor, man.
@QueenCatofAragon
I was sort of looking forward to hallucinations, but no. I just woke up and no hangover, either.
As @Bigun says, the licorice is pretty intense, but I have always liked licorice. I have a couple bottles of Ouzo on the bar, too.
Then, you probably would like - or do like - Sambuca.
I love licorice. I'll have to try absinthe.
You'd like Ouzo too, and the Sambuca @edpc suggested. If I can ever get you to come visit the Castle we'll have some of each.
I did a "Bohemian Absinthe" last night. You place an Absinthe spoon atop a glass, with a sugar cube on top. Slowly pour a couple ounces of the Absinthe over the cube (the spoon is flat with slots in the bottom so it will flow through), then set the cube on fire. When it starts to caramelize the sugar, drip ice-cold water on it (about 5 oz). Stir any remaining sugar into the rest of the drink and enjoy. The first sip is an interesting experience because the liquid is cold, but you get a nose-full of hot licorice aroma at the same time.
The Parisian Absinthe I have is 138 proof, so there is no trouble getting the cube to burn.
Sounds nice. I have tried Ouzo and liked it. In small quantities.
You'd like Ouzo too, and the Sambuca @edpc suggested. If I can ever get you to come visit the Castle we'll have some of each.
I did a "Bohemian Absinthe" last night. You place an Absinthe spoon atop a glass, with a sugar cube on top. Slowly pour a couple ounces of the Absinthe over the cube (the spoon is flat with slots in the bottom so it will flow through), then set the cube on fire. When it starts to caramelize the sugar, drip ice-cold water on it (about 5 oz). Stir any remaining sugar into the rest of the drink and enjoy. The first sip is an interesting experience because the liquid is cold, but you get a nose-full of hot licorice aroma at the same time.
The Parisian Absinthe I have is 138 proof, so there is no trouble getting the cube to burn.
We're planning on being in the Eastern half of your state early next month but doubt I can make it all the way over to where you are since the move.
I was very careful to not imbibe too much of the Absinthe because I don't want a repeat of the Schnapps experience from my teenage years. I got sicker than crap, lousy hangover and I haven't been able to touch it since. I have a fifth on the bar so I might try that again to see if I still have the mental block.
We're planning on being in the Eastern half of your state early next month but doubt I can make it all the way over to where you are since the move.
I had the same experience, at 20, with tequila. I still don’t like the smell of it. The stuff I got sick on was cheap stuff. I can have the good quality ones straight, in moderation, or the mid range in one drink.
IIRC, you have rels east of Tucson? We're about 5-6 hours north-west of there.
I don't like Tequila much either. Same reason. I have a bottle of Jose Cuervo on the bar, though. Mrs. Liberty got us a bunch of weird stuff.
Yep! And getting to where you are adds a full day of traveling. We are meeting some of my wife's relatives that she hasn't seen for a long time so I don't know what will transpire. I'll let you know if it looks like we can get over there this time.
I love Tequila but it kicks my butt so I don't touch it! Last time I messed with it I was three days finding where I abandoned my car. (LONG time ago)
Last time I messed with it I was three days finding where I abandoned my car. (LONG time ago)
Yeah, that's the only stuff that ever gave me a blackout. That and the taste keeps me from doing it again.
I love Tequila but it kicks my butt so I don't touch it! Last time I messed with it I was three days finding where I abandoned my car. (LONG time ago)
@BigunPeppermint schnaps and pickled pigs feet? You deserved to heave. :nono:
Tequila or Mescal... If it is cactus juice, there is something about it that I cannot leave alone. I don't really even like it... But if I smell the cork, I will be eating the worm, guaranteed. With similar results. It is the only likker I absolutely lose control on, and as a fairly hard rule, I hardly ever have gotten drunk on likker at all. I like beer for the party.
And @Cyber Liberty, like you, zero tolerance for peppermint schnapps - I can take it in hot chocolate, but otherwise, not at all. One of the few times I got likker drunk, it was on peppermint schnapps, with a ton of pickled pigs feet. The experience was so very bad, that I have not had either since.
Peppermint schnaps and pickled pigs feet? You deserved to heave. :nono:
Pickled Pigs feet is beer drinking fare (along with pickled gizzards, and the nuclear option, pickled eggs) Especially had to avoid enclosed spaces after the latter (even prop the outhouse door open)...Just wasn't socially acceptable for a couple of days afterwards....had an 'air' about me..
Haven't had so much as a beer in 30 years, but I remember what made life rougher....
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