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Title: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 06:23:53 pm
Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting on an Oregon community college campus.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 06:25:18 pm
Umpqua Comm. College...15 dead.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:10:11 pm
Police: Multiple Fatalities In Shooting At Oregon Community College

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/10/01/oregon-community-college-shooting/

Here we go. Wanna bet this was a gun free zone.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:11:02 pm
PREDICTIONS:

1) This will be done by someone on psychiatric meds.
2) The gun or guns will have been obtained by legal means.
3) Disarmists will use this event to push gun control that will in no way address or prevent this situation.
4) This will have occurred in a ‘gun free zone’.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 01, 2015, 07:18:41 pm
(http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/campusshooting_20151001_145750.jpg)

Multiple people reportedly dead at Oregon community college

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/01/oregon-cops-respond-to-report-shooter-at-community-college/?intcmp=hpbt1



- Breaking News -

REPORTS OF BETWEEN 7-TO-15 KILLED IN SHOOTING ON OREGON COLLEGE CAMPUS
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:19:40 pm
Multiple deaths reported in shooting at Oregon community college; shooter in custody, official says

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nn-oregon-community-college-shooting-20151001-story.html
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:28:06 pm
Rumor shooter female....anyone else hear this? Also found this....
Quote
.Post is on twitter.

Warned people not to go to school tomorrow in the northwest.
  Just posting some info, as usual some may be correct others not. Happens when it is breaking news.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 07:29:59 pm
Rumor shooter female....anyone else hear this?

Not at all...I'm only watching Fox.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:34:11 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQLwozU8AAyehT.png:large)

warned not to go to school today.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 07:34:51 pm
PREDICTIONS:

1) This will be done by someone on psychiatric meds.
2) The gun or guns will have been obtained by legal means.
3) Disarmists will use this event to push gun control that will in no way address or prevent this situation.
4) This will have occurred in a ‘gun free zone’.

Yep...it's a gun free zone. What a stupid concept.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 01, 2015, 07:37:00 pm
warned not to go to school today.

You'd almost think these 'shooter' events are planned or sumthin...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:40:04 pm
You'd almost think these 'shooter' events are planned or sumthin...
Yeah.......it takes Syria right off the front page.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 07:43:55 pm
Yeah.......it takes Syria right off the front page.

Well there is something that is like clockwork but not the shootings IMO.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Millee on October 01, 2015, 07:52:00 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQLwozU8AAyehT.png:large)

warned not to go to school today.

Where was this posted, flowers???   **nononono*
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 07:54:22 pm
Rumor shooter female....anyone else hear this? Also found this....  Just posting some info, as usual some may be correct others not. Happens when it is breaking news.

CNN says man late 20's.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:54:53 pm
'Don't go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest': Disturbing warning message appears on 4chan night before shooting at Oregon college

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3256735/Don-t-school-tomorrow-northwest-Disturbing-warning-message-appears-4Chan-night-shooting-Oregon-college.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 07:56:21 pm
CNN says man late 20's.
Thanks, can cross that one off the list.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 07:58:38 pm
AG says shooter is dead.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 01, 2015, 07:58:58 pm
And the Facebook dopes weigh in:
Quote
S Lee Caudle
53 mins · Annapolis, MD ·
Attention All Gun Crazies: You are responsible for this, yes you are. We have to stop this and if the gun owners don't get together and work on stopping this with realistic gun control measures, then I'm all for taking away everyone's guns. All of you know that I will not let people force me into having a gun, I refuse to become a victim in my own country. What are you afraid of, besides yourselves.

Angel O'Brien
3 mins · Portland, OR · .
Yet another school shooting, this time in Roseburg, Oregon. Damn it! This has to stop. Gun violence happens because there are too many guns out there, because it is too easy to get guns, where is the legislation that gets guns off the street and out of people's hands?


Jack Swanson
7 mins · .
God bleep damn it. I'm so sick of this. Now we get to argue about gun laws. I don't know if stricter gun laws will solve the problem but I do know that it's a proposed solution. So if you want to argue your 2nd amendment rights by all means do so but come with another solution.


Mona Lott
20 mins · Denver, CO
I’m starting to wonder if gay rights, abortion, religious freedom, insurance costs, pharmaceutical availability, living wages or the obesity crisis even matters anymore. I mean, who really gives a bleep when we continue to make it so easy for someone to just get a gun, walk into a public space and start killing people! Just shaking my head.


Jessica Griffin
6 mins · Edited ·
I returned from my lunch break to find that there has been a shooting at Umpqua Community College. Since there are only 17 CCs in Oregon, we all kind of know one another and I'm hoping none of the 15 dead or 20+ wounded are any of my friends.

Yet still, America won't work towards even rational gun control. No, no. It's in the Constitution. Well, yes, it is. But so was slavery and we stopped that shit when we finally got hip to the fact that it's not okay to own people. Maybe eventually we'll realize it's also not okay to shoot people, and we'll actually examine this problem with the attention it deserves rather than just slinging rhetoric around.

**nononono*
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 01, 2015, 08:25:57 pm
Deadly shooting rampage at Oregon community college
By Natalie Musumeci and Danika Fears
October 1, 2015 | 2:31pm
NY Post (http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/shooting-reported-at-oregon-community-college/)]quote]At least 13 people were dead in a mass shooting at an Oregon community college Thursday, according to news reports.

Around 20 more people were wounded when the shooter opened fire around 10:40 a.m. at Umpqua Community College’s Snyder Hall. The shooter was in police custody.

“We arrived to find multiple patients in multiple classrooms. Law enforcement was on scene and had the shooter neutralized,” Douglas County Fire Marshal Ray Shoufler told CNN.

The Oregon attorney general said the death toll was 13, according to MSNBC.

While the shooter has not been identified, he or she may have sent out an ominous warning the night before the massacre.

One Twitter user posted a link to a 4chan post in which an anonymous poster wrote Wednesday night, “Some of you guys are alright. Don’t go to school tomorrow if you are in the northwest.”

“Happening thread will be posted tomorrow morning…so long space robots,” the user continued.

Mercy Medical Center said in a Facebook post that the hospital had already received nine victims, and three more were on the way.

“Please continue to pray,” the hospital wrote.

The wounded included a woman who was shot in the chest, according to CNN. Non-injured students and college staff were being transported to local fairgrounds.

Just after the shooting, one college official said the campus was on lockdown.

“We’re asking that no one come to the campus,” the official said. “The road coming into the campus is pretty small so we don’t want parents coming onto the campus.”
 
“We’re all just kind of staying inside right now,” she said. “We’re all pretty calm.”

The official said the school had a lockdown drill just a week ago.

“We talked about lockdown and what to do in the case of a lockdown so we’re prepared,” she said.

Some students took to Twitter to describe the chaotic shooting scene.

“Omg there’s someone shooting on campus,” wrote Twitter user Kayla Marie. “Students are running everywhere. Holy God.”

The Oregon community college, which is located in Roseburg, has about 3,300 full-time students and 16,000 part-time students, according to its website. Roseburg is roughly 180 miles south of Portland.
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Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 08:54:23 pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/01/police-7-killed-at-umpqua-community-college.html

Oregon’s attorney general said 13 were killed and 20 were injured following a shooting at Umpqua Community College on Thursday morning. The gunman is also dead. The gunman, whose name is not yet known, attacked UCC’s Snyder Hall. At approximately 10:38 a.m. local time, someone called 911.

Kortney Moore told the News Review that she saw her teacher get shot in the head. “The shooter was asking people to stand up and state their religion and then started firing away, Moore said.”
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 08:56:13 pm
Now there're rumors the shooter asked victims to state their religion....
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 01, 2015, 09:12:52 pm
According to Pam Gellar's facebook page: "This is a very disturbing development. The shooter at Umpqua Community College on Thursday asked people to state their religion and then started firing, one student said."
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 09:14:48 pm
Didn't the Columbine shooters ask that as well?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 01, 2015, 09:34:12 pm
He demanded they state their religion? Darn you, Lutherans!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 01, 2015, 09:48:43 pm
Didn't the Columbine shooters ask that as well?

Supposedly Dylan Klebold asked Cassie Bernall if she believed in God and shot her when she said "yes".

I don't think there were any claims of attempts to identify a victim's specific religion though...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 01, 2015, 09:54:01 pm
Obama will address the nation soon... :smokin:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 09:59:53 pm
Obama will address the nation soon... :smokin:
Get ready for his pen and phone. Executive Order/Action on gun control. He will say he won't wait for congress to act, so he will.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Scottftlc on October 01, 2015, 10:38:00 pm
Get ready for his pen and phone. Executive Order/Action on gun control. He will say he won't wait for congress to act, so he will.

Well that would be perfection in his eyes...he will have then armed ISIS and disarmed Americans.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 01, 2015, 10:43:23 pm
Well that would be perfection in his eyes...he will have then armed ISIS and disarmed Americans.
He didn't do it this time, he will before jan 2017. 
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 01, 2015, 10:45:42 pm
Yeah.......it takes Syria right off the front page.

Funny how that happens.

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 01, 2015, 10:54:10 pm
Alert to be wary. A lot of people are posting images on Facebook of forum posts they claim is of the shooter warning people yesterday. Those images are from 4Chan and they pull this crap all the time. That is most likely faked images or faked dates. 4Chan pulls stuff like this pretty much every time a big event happens.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 11:06:39 pm
Obama will address the nation soon... :smokin:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 11:09:00 pm
Obama will address the nation soon... :smokin:

Yes Obama say this should be politicized so either he knows the shooter is no muslim or he made a stupid mistake.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 01, 2015, 11:24:16 pm
Yes Obama say this should be politicized so either he knows the shooter is no muslim or he made a stupid mistake.

Or he is just getting ahead of the story. Creating the perception in people's minds before it is replaced. The first perception people have is generally hard to change. After the first perception, confirmation bias plays a part.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 01, 2015, 11:34:32 pm
Or he is just getting ahead of the story. Creating the perception in people's minds before it is replaced. The first perception people have is generally hard to change. After the first perception, confirmation bias plays a part.
Indeed.

It's interesting that we know nothing about the shooter. Maybe I'm mistaken, but don't we usually have an identity by this point? At least a name, sex, race?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 01, 2015, 11:38:07 pm
Alert to be wary. A lot of people are posting images on Facebook of forum posts they claim is of the shooter warning people yesterday. Those images are from 4Chan and they pull this crap all the time. That is most likely faked images or faked dates. 4Chan pulls stuff like this pretty much every time a big event happens.
I came across a post from a person I know to be a 4chan user. He saw the post in question yesterday. He says he sees this kind of stuff all the time but the screenshot/thread appears to be legit this time.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 01, 2015, 11:45:47 pm
We know he's male and 20.

If the 8chan posts are real - he's also white, no girlfriend, and can easily be painted as a right winger.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 01, 2015, 11:48:14 pm
We know he's male and 20.

If the 8chan posts are real - he's also white, no girlfriend, and can easily be painted as a right winger.

I doubt it.  Atheist maybe.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 01, 2015, 11:52:09 pm
I don't believe a thing that comes out of that site. These type of things pop up every time there is a shooting or other event. That's what they do.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 01, 2015, 11:53:00 pm
Todd Starnes
1 hr ·

President Obama has become completely unhinged. He is angrily lecturing the nation about the Second Amendment.

"This is something we should politicize," he yelled at the nation.

Mr. President -- they're still counting the dead in Oregon, sir. Please - have some respect.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 01, 2015, 11:55:22 pm
FOX Business ‏@FoxBusiness 9s9 seconds ago

Police still will not confirm any details about the gunman.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQRRvuqU8AA-Qp7.jpg)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Oceander on October 01, 2015, 11:55:38 pm
Well that would be perfection in his eyes...he will have then armed ISIS and disarmed Americans.

And given Iran the bomb.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 01, 2015, 11:56:02 pm
Hmmm...that's unusual..the perp's name is usually leaked by now...
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 01, 2015, 11:56:39 pm
Quote
The Associated Press ‏@AP 7m7 minutes ago

The latest on the Oregon college shooting: Sheriff overseeing investigation vocal opponent of gun control bills: http://apne.ws/1QO2yK9

Charming.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Scottftlc on October 02, 2015, 12:03:06 am
Hmmm...that's unusual..the perp's name is usually leaked by now...

Politicians are intervening...determining a plan for framing this, whatever it is.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:05:34 am
Charming.

Oregon passed the strictest gun laws 6mos ago -- SB 941 "Oregon Firearms Safety Act"

Many local sheriffs refusing to conform.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 02, 2015, 12:08:00 am
Witness reported Gunman asked people to name their religion before firing.  If they said Christian they were where shot in the head.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Oceander on October 02, 2015, 12:08:42 am
Politicians are intervening...determining a plan for framing this, whatever it is.

Perhaps they're trying to build a narrative for how this guy violated Oregon's gun control laws, in order to avoid the inference that the laws made people less safe, not more safe.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 02, 2015, 12:14:39 am
Or perhaps the Sheriff is doing an information lock-down so the investigation can be done in peace, without reporters all over the place?

There is a name for the shooter floating around - not posting it as it could be the usual social media BS.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Oceander on October 02, 2015, 12:15:31 am
Or perhaps the Sheriff is doing an information lock-down so the investigation can be done in peace, without reporters all over the place?

There is a name for the shooter floating around - not posting it as it could be the usual social media BS.

That ship sailed the moment the shooting made the news.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2015, 12:15:56 am
Perhaps they're trying to build a narrative for how this guy violated Oregon's gun control laws, in order to avoid the inference that the laws made people less safe, not more safe.

...like this is a *gun free* zone.... :thud:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:18:05 am
...like this is a *gun free* zone.... :thud:

You know perps can't read signs. What are you thinking?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 02, 2015, 12:20:27 am
...like this is a *gun free* zone.... :thud:

Obviously, gun free zone signs cause violence. Every shooting in a gun free zone had a gun free zone sign. According to the level of statistical knowledge one can learn from the media, that correlation must equal causation.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 12:30:25 am
CNN has much better, informed coverage of this.....compared to FOXNEWS, which loops the same 20 seconds of video going on 4 hours now.    :whistle:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2015, 12:35:41 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQRZ9huUEAALwAm.jpg)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:36:52 am

No guns for the little people...hypocrites!!!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 02, 2015, 12:40:57 am
CNN has much better, informed coverage of this.....compared to FOXNEWS, which loops the same 20 seconds of video going on 4 hours now.    :whistle:

CNN is, quite simply, the absolute best at covering breaking stories.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Oceander on October 02, 2015, 12:42:41 am
CNN is, quite simply, the absolute best at covering breaking stories.

Sometimes.  It's a shadow of a shadow of what it was in its heyday back in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 02, 2015, 12:45:36 am
Get ready for his pen and phone. Executive Order/Action on gun control. He will say he won't wait for congress to act, so he will.

I doubt it.

Encouraging this sort of thing would be his modus operandi.

For then the Democrats can campaign on the issue for the elections.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2015, 12:46:30 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQRcXIlU8AE-m8A.jpg)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 02, 2015, 12:47:41 am
Sometimes.  It's a shadow of a shadow of what it was in its heyday back in the 1990s.

This!!!

Remember the Malaysian airliner that disappeared?  CNN had 'experts' on talking about how a micro-black hole might have sucked it up before moving back out into space.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:53:45 am
CNN is, quite simply, the absolute best at covering breaking stories.

CNN's iPad app is superior to Fox, too.

Fox, however, does have a great latest videos site, though.

http://video.foxnews.com/playlist/featured-latest-news/
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 02, 2015, 12:57:29 am
Quote
CBS News Verified account
‏@CBSNews

JUST IN: Umpqua Community College shooter ID'd as 26-year-old Chris Harper Mercer, law enforcement sources confirm to CBS News.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2015, 12:58:29 am
Fox just confirmed Mercer's name
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:58:51 am

I can't look at that photo for more than two seconds.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 01:00:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/tytLaDu.jpg)

Chris Harper Mercer.   Wonder what his Muslim name is?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2015, 01:04:19 am
DC..who is that Toby Reynolds?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Fishrrman on October 02, 2015, 01:06:36 am
"Oregon gunman singled out Christians during rampage"
http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/

The shooter: Chris Harper Mercer:
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-chris-harper-mercer-oregons-alleged-umqua-community-college-shooter-identified-2123675

(http://images55.fotki.com/v507/photos/2/292835/5750312/gunskill-vi.jpg)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 02, 2015, 01:07:13 am
DC..who is that Toby Reynolds?
Probably one of 4chan's resident trolls. That is who 4chan identified as the guy who posted those messages.

I wouldn't rule out Reynolds knowing something about it.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 01:22:17 am
DC..who is that Toby Reynolds?

Gateway Pundit announced that he was the shooter....1 minute later, it was CBS that released his name.

I took the post down.

Mercer looks like a Muslim to me...FWIW :shrug:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 01:28:11 am
Geez....Clarice Feldman who writes for American Thinker (Clarice's Pieces) just posted on Facebook that the shooter is.....

(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12079231_10205111195608578_349692827110141878_n.jpg?oh=5b60ddba7322e9f061cce0fd36f5ec43&oe=56AA0A44)

SAIV SHARMA

It's ridiculous....I'm skeptical that CBS news was the chosen/lucky one to first release the name, etc..
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 02, 2015, 01:29:50 am
If Mercer, this may be his MySpace page (yea, people are still on it). Tons of IRA stuff. (which is odd).
https://myspace.com/344765151/photos
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 02, 2015, 01:46:40 am
If Mercer, this may be his MySpace page (yea, people are still on it). Tons of IRA stuff. (which is odd).
https://myspace.com/344765151/photos
Peculiar... Myspace doesn't put dates on its photos.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 02, 2015, 01:48:40 am
Peculiar... Myspace doesn't put dates on its photos.

No music either. Not one single track listed.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 02, 2015, 01:49:49 am
No music either. Not one single track listed.
:silly:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 02, 2015, 01:52:10 am
If Mercer, this may be his MySpace page (yea, people are still on it). Tons of IRA stuff. (which is odd).
https://myspace.com/344765151/photos

Weird.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: ABX on October 02, 2015, 01:53:09 am
No music either. Not one single track listed.

That may be due to privacy settings.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Scottftlc on October 02, 2015, 02:38:52 am
My wife's been watching and says the police there are in way way over their heads...she thinks they have serious competency issues.  I don't know, but she's pretty adamant on that point.  Very inefficient she says...the Governor is worst of all, she is telling me...
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: geronl on October 02, 2015, 03:36:24 am
My first thought was a leftist off their meds!!

then Muslim


I might have been right both times
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: geronl on October 02, 2015, 03:40:10 am
The IRA will hook-up with South American narco-guerrilla's so how is it odd they would have connections to Muslims...
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 02, 2015, 11:11:35 am
Obama pushes gun control after school massacre
'This is something we should politicize'
Published: 10 hours ago

 

President Obama wasted no time calling for increased gun-control laws after a massacre at an Oregon community college on Thursday.

At least 10 people died and 20 were injured at Umpquah Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, when an active shooter entered the college at 10:38 PST. Authorities have only described the suspect, who died in a confrontation with law enforcement officials, as a male in his early 20s.

The president embraced the opportunity to politicize the tragedy from the White House.

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“So we know there are ways to prevent it. And of course, what’s also routine is somebody somewhere will comment and say, ‘Obama will politicize this issue.’ Well this is something we should politicize,” he said. “Right now I can imagine the press releases be cranked out. We need more guns, they’ll argue. Fewer gun-safety laws. Does anybody really believe that? There are scores of responsible gun owners in this country. They know this is not true. We know because of the polling that says the majority of Americans say we should be changing these laws.”

The president offered his thoughts and prayers to grieving families, but the overall theme of his address was that America must now pass stricter gun-control laws.

“We’ve talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg, after Tucson, after Newtown, after Aurora, after Charleston. … It cannot be this easy for someone who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun,” Obama said.

UCC, which has roughly 3,300 students, has been designated a gun-free zone and has just one unarmed security guard on campus.

Kortney Moore, 18, from Rogue River, told NR Today she was in a writing class when the shooting began. Moore said the shooter asked people their religion before firing his weapon.

Vice President Joe Biden echoed Obama’s remarks while speaking at a global summit in New York.

Biden called for “sane gun legislation” because the Second Amendment doesn’t allow Americans to own “a bazooka,” the Association Press reported.

UCC officials said classes have been suspended at least until Monday because the campus is now officially a crime scene.

Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin told reporters he will not release the name of the suspect at this time.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/obama-pushes-gun-control-after-school-massacre/#BZb7rLDZK9ColSWk.99
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 02, 2015, 11:15:16 am
There is still something we are not being told.  Obama took too long to make one of his patented dumb ass statements in this kind of situation.  With others he was on them like stink on dookie but for some reason waited a long time to make his comment.  When he did, he went out of his way to say this was a shooting by a deranged person which is also unusual.  I'm wondering if this guy wasn't a muzzie sympathizer or a true muzzie and Obama was preemptively  softening the blow if the shooter was. :shrug:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:26:00 pm
A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010......

....Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[7] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[8] Fujian province;[9

....in Leizhou,[11] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[12] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher

....a Russian mass murderer who stabbed convive many years ago and shot dead four people on December 4, 2013.

....Kushchevskaya massacre, carried out on 4 November 2010, was the murder of 12 people including four children on a farm in the Krasnodar region of southern Russia. The family of wealthy local farmer Serever Ametov was targeted and stabbed to death, together with visiting friends and a bystander.[

....Australia, mass killers usually carried out using rifles or shotguns.....

....Winnenden school shooting 11 March 2009 at a secondary school in Winnenden, Baden-Württemberg, shooting spree resulted in 16 deaths, including the suicide of the perpetrator, 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer, who had graduated from the school one year earlier.[1]

....Rampage killing by classification

Number of incidents listed:
Africa/Middle East   85
Americas   108
Asia   127
Europe   95
Oceania/Maritime Southeast Asia   124
Workplace   102
Educational settings   93
Hate crimes   28
Home intruders   93
Familicides – U.S.   123
Familicides – Europe   103
Familicides – Rest of world   155
Vehicular   20
Grenade   21
Other   46
Total   1322

I could go on listing these all day long. Obama is a demagogue and unworthy of the president's office.

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 02, 2015, 12:30:48 pm
There is still something we are not being told.  Obama took too long to make one of his patented dumb ass statements in this kind of situation.  With others he was on them like stink on dookie but for some reason waited a long time to make his comment.  When he did, he went out of his way to say this was a shooting by a deranged person which is also unusual.  I'm wondering if this guy wasn't a muzzie sympathizer or a true muzzie and Obama was preemptively  softening the blow if the shooter was. :shrug:
Turns out this shooter really does look like the son Barry doesn't have (but if he did ...): mixed-race, hates Christians.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 02, 2015, 12:33:57 pm
An Army veteran who survived combat was shot several times as he charged at the Oregon gunman
By Pamela Engel Oct 2nd 2015 7:20AM

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An Army veteran who made it through a combat deployment without sustaining any serious injuries was shot several times as he rushed toward the gunman who opened fire at a community college in Oregon on Thursday.

Chris Mintz, 30, was in his first week of class at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, on Thursday when a man, identified by officials as 26-year-old Chris Harper Mercer, walked into Snyder Hall, where classes are held, and started shooting.

Mintz reportedly tried "to block the door to keep the gunman from coming in," Mintz's aunt, Wanda Mintz, told Q13 Fox News in Oregon.

In 911 tapes from the shooting, a dispatcher said the shooter was "outside one of the doors shooting through the door," according to The Oregonian. The shooting was reportedly confined to one classroom.

After the gunman gained entry to the classroom, Mintz got shot three times, hit the floor, and then looked up at the gunman and said "it's my son's birthday today," according to Wanda Mintz. He then reportedly got shot two more times. ...
More at AOL News (http://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/02/an-army-veteran-who-survived-combat-was-shot-several-times-as-he/21244003/?icid=maing-grid7%7Caol20%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1305836954)


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 02, 2015, 12:45:10 pm
Have we heard how this shooter obtained his guns? Of course, Obama spouted off about needing even more gun control before anything was known about the guy. So did he comply with the gazillions of gun control laws already in place?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 12:57:20 pm
Have we heard how this shooter obtained his guns? Of course, Obama spouted off about needing even more gun control before anything was known about the guy. So did he comply with the gazillions of gun control laws already in place?

But, one more should do the trick. Didn't work? Well, then, another and another and another; none of which criminals, terrorists or psychos obey.

But, you and me? We carry the burden ....
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 01:06:54 pm
Don't laugh....it's a take-off on an old StarTrek episode.....

Everybody over the age of 21 should be allowed or even required to carry/conceal firearms.

If said person(s) commit crimes where there is physical maiming or killing of innocent people, the shooter should be summarily executed.     :whistle:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 02, 2015, 01:18:54 pm
Oregon community college gunman described as 'timid', 'unfriendly' by various neighbors
Published October 02, 2015
FOX News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/02/neighbor-says-oregon-college-gunman-seemed-really-unfriendly/?intcmp=trending)


A neighbor of the man authorities say killed at least nine people at an Oregon community college Thursday told reporters the gunman "seemed really unfriendly."

Bronte Harte told the Associated Press she lived in the apartment below 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer in Winchester, Ore. Winchester is approximately five miles north of Roseburg, where Mercer opened fire in a classroom at Umpqua Community College, killing nine people before being killed in an exchange of gunfire with responding officers.

Harte said Mercer would often "sit by himself in the dark in the balcony with this little light." She added that a woman she believed to be Mercer's mother also lived upstairs and was "crying her eyes out" Thursday.

Harte also told the New York Times Mercer would frequently yell at her for smoking on her apartment's balcony.

"He yelled at us, me and my husband," Hart told the paper. "He was not a friendly type of guy. He did not want anything to do with anyone."

KPTV reported that investigators had sealed off the Winchester complex and had established a search perimeter. Officers at the scene were escorting residents to and from their apartments. A sheriff's deputy told a resident that there was no danger to the community and people living in the apartments around where Mercer lived were able to access their homes.

Authorities were attempting to establish a motive for Thursday's shooting. It was not immediately clear what, if any, connection Mercer had to the college, a two-year school with an enrollment of just over 3,000 students.

Law enforcement sources told Fox News that Mercer's name was being run through watchlists and his email history, phone logs, social media profiles and online history were being checked in an effort to rule out any links to international terrorism.

A law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times that Mercer was armed with three handguns and an assault rifle when he carried out the shooting. The official did not know whether Mercer fired all the guns, or where and how he obtained them.

Before moving to Oregon in 2011, Mercer lived with his mother in an apartment complex in Torrance, Calif., located just southwest of downtown Los Angeles. Local media reported that neighbors who lived near the pair in Torrance said they often saw Mercer wearing camouflage pants and large, black boots.

Mercer's father, Ian Harper, briefly spoke to reporters outside his home in Tarzana, Calif. late Thursday. He said he had spent the day speaking to police and other authorities. Harper declined to answer any questions about his son.

"Shocked is all I can say," Ian Harper said, according to the Los Angeles Times. "It's been a devastating day.

One neighbor, Derrick McClendon, told the Los Angeles Times that Mercer was "bashful" and "timid", adding that the young man mostly kept to himself.

"I wouldn't have suspected for him to be a troubled person," McClendon said.

Other neighbors told the paper that they sometimes noticed Mercer and his mother carrying matching black cases that appeared to contain firearms. The paper said that some neighbors asked Mercer about the weapons at a community barbeque, to which Mercer responded that he liked to go target shooting.

"I don't know what to say," Carmen Nesnick of Tarzana, Calif., identified as Mercer's stepsister, told KNBC. "I'm shaking right now. He was a nice guy."
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 01:29:26 pm
Christopher Harper Mercer...

Obama needs to sign an Executive Order immediately outlawing the use of three word names....until his 'Scientists' can determine if there's a connection to becoming mass murderers.    :whistle:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 02, 2015, 01:30:27 pm
Michelle Obama's Mirror:
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Friday, October 2, 2015
Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste: Episode 178



In a lecture filled with lies Barry told us yesterday that mass shootings are “something we should politicize,” as if we haven’t.

A visibly angry Obama blasted Congress for being unwilling to change the nations (sic) gun laws in response to a wave of mass shootings that have cast a cloud over his presidency.

I guess we are all to agree with his flawed logic, submit to his will and by-pass the do-nothing Congress that we elected as stipulated in the Constitution because we need some common sense gun control laws; like repealing the 2nd Amendment. Because, you know, Obama’s Amerika: and we don’t want Barry to look bad.

I don’t know about you, butt I would be more inclined to listen to a President lecture us on “common sense gun control” if he weren’t the president that armed a Mexican drug cartel:

(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1BiJu3L-v_k/Vg5-RrwCfWI/AAAAAAABYjI/zxsYVk-k9MA/fast%252520and%252520furious_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)

And gave Iran, the single most important state sponsor of terrorism in the world, the go-ahead to build their nuclear bomb. Now that’s something some of us think should be politicized. Because, you know, they’ve announced their intent to annihilate Israel. What a bother. ...
More at Michelle's Mirror (http://www.michellesmirror.com/2015/10/never-let-crisis-go-to-waste-episode-178.html#.Vg6GcvaFPIV)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 02, 2015, 01:44:42 pm
Christopher Harper Mercer...

Obama needs to sign an Executive Order immediately outlawing the use of three word names....until his 'Scientists' can determine if there's a connection to becoming mass murderers.    :whistle:

That's it! DC! Middle names cause rampage killings!

(Visitors to TBR must check their middle names at the door and are subject to random Screen Name Analysis)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 01:46:47 pm
That's it! DC! Middle names cause rampage killings!

(Visitors to TBR must check their middle names at the door and are subject to random Screen Name Analysis)

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Fishrrman on October 02, 2015, 02:00:07 pm
From post 89 above:
[[ Law enforcement sources told Fox News that Mercer's name was being run through watchlists and his email history, phone logs, social media profiles and online history were being checked in an effort to rule out any links to international terrorism. ]]

This should make everyone sit up and take notice.

How long until they start checking YOUR "email history, phone logs, social media profiles and online history" ???

Sounds like EVERYTHING is being recorded these days, en masse.

Some months back, I began posting my proposed "right to privacy" amendment to the Constitution. Here it is, once more, for you to read:
============
Citizens protected by this Constitution possess an inalienable right to privacy in their persons, businesses, and homes, and while they are in public.

It shall be a violation of this Constitution for the United States or for the several States to violate or invade the individual privacy of citizens by use of physical, mechanical, or electronic means or by the use of devices on land, on water, below the ground, or from the air.

This protection shall extend to all lawful communications and acts by an individual citizen or between two or more citizens, including content that is spoken, written, or electronically transmitted. It shall extend to citizens regardless of their location, whether in private or in public.

The only exceptions will be as governed by the Fourth Amendment of this Constitution.
============

Just four short paragraphs that anyone can read and understand.

Do you still believe there is no need for such a "right" in our Constitution, for YOU...?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Bigun on October 02, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
Christopher Harper Mercer...Recent Muslim convert.

But keep that under your had until the media tells you!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 02:10:58 pm
Christopher Harper Mercer...Recent Muslim convert.

But keep that under your had until the media tells you!

One of his two connections on a social media site is a Muslim and has numerous jihadi photos on it. 

I took it down after posting it, because wasn't sure about the validity of the source.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 02, 2015, 02:25:16 pm
That's it! DC! Middle names cause rampage killings!

(Visitors to TBR must check their middle names at the door and are subject to random Screen Name Analysis)
Well, it's been nice knowin' y'all!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 02:49:01 pm
Well, it's been nice knowin' y'all!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 02, 2015, 03:43:13 pm
Oregon Shooter Uploaded Documentaries Of Mass Shootings, Conspiracy Theories, Porn Videos

Posted By Chuck Ross On 7:08 AM 10/02/2015 In | No Comments
 

The 26-year-old man who killed 10 people at an Oregon community college on Thursday reportedly maintained a short-lived blog where he wrote about two recent high-profile shootings and uploaded a variety of pirated files, including porn videos and documentaries about infamous mass shootings.

Chris Harper-Mercer entered a classroom at Umpqua Community College at around 10:30 a.m. Thursday and began shooting. Witnesses to the massacre said that Harper-Mercer, who was living with his mother in Winchester, asked his victims if they were Christian and shot them if they said they were. Harper-Mercer also died, though it is unclear if police officers shot him or if he killed himself.

Chris Harper-Mercer’s dating profile picture

In one post at Harper-Mercer’s blog, discovered hours after the shooting, the killer seemed to sympathize with Vester Lee Flanagan, the ex-TV reporter who killed two former colleagues during a live interview in Roanoke, Va. on Aug. 26. Flanagan, who was black, wrote a 23-page manifesto claiming that he was the lifelong victim of racism.

Harper-Mercer wrote of the shooting that “I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are.”

“A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more your’re [sic] in the limelight.”

He encouraged readers to watch video Flanagan recorded as he shot his two ex-colleagues.

“It’s a short video but good nonetheless,” Harper-Mercer wrote. (RELATED: Did Shooter Tip Off Community College Shooting On This Website?

In another blog post about the recent killing of a Houston-area sheriff’s deputy, Harper-Mercer seemed to disdain violence. The deputy, Darren Goforth was ambushed at a gas station and executed by Shannon Miles. Many speculated that Miles, who is black, was motivated by the Black Lives Matter movement.

“In case anyone’s wondering, I’m not on the side of the suspect, I’m on the side of the officer, and generally don’t agree with the black lives matter protests,” Harper-Mercer wrote. (RELATED: Obama Calls For Stricter Gun Laws After Shooting)

Other content loaded to the site where Harper-Mercer blogged indicates that he was fascinated with violence — including school shootings — conspiracy theories, the paranormal, and pornography.

Earlier this week, the killer uploaded the documentary “This World: Surviving Sandy Hook” about the Dec. 14, 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. The shooter, Adam Lanza, killed 20 children and six adults. Within the past month, he uploaded an interview with Charles Manson and documentaries about the 1999 Columbine massacre and the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting.

He also uploaded numerous back issues of “Phenomena Magazine” about UFOs, ghosts and other paranormal activity. He also appears to have been interest in conspiracy theories, as indicated by titles such as “Lost Secrets of the Illuminati” and “All Wars Are Bankers’ Wars.”

Many of Harper-Mercer’s earlier additions to the site are porn videos and copies of erotic novels.

Harper-Mercer also maintained a MySpace account. One picture on the site shows Harper-Mercer holding what appears to be a rifle. Other photos posted on the page are of members of the Irish Republican Army, many of whom are carrying weapons.

He also maintained a profile on a dating website. Harper-Mercer lists himself as mixed race and also claimed to be a Republican, though none of his posts cover political issues. Among the groups he supported on the site one called “Doesn’t like organized religion.”

Harper-Mercer’s hatred for religion — and Christianity in particular — appears to be the main motive behind the attack.

Anastasia Boylan was inside the classroom in which Harper-Mercer opened fire. Her father, Stacy, relayed her first-hand account, telling CNN that Harper-Mercer entered the room and shot the teacher at point-blank range. After everyone dropped to the ground, Harper-Mercer reloaded his gun and asked Christians in the room to stand up.

“And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you’re going to see God in just about one second,'” Stacy Boylan said.

“And then he shot and killed them.”

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Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 02, 2015, 03:49:28 pm
Sounds like a real sweet-heart.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 02, 2015, 04:12:08 pm
:laugh:

I have two middle names.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 02, 2015, 04:13:05 pm
I cannot imagine the intestinal fortitude and faith that it took Christians to stand up in that situation, and I have to ask myself if I would have had the courage to do so.  Incredible!

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 02, 2015, 04:14:22 pm
I have two middle names.

I do too!  What does that make us?

 :beer:

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 02, 2015, 04:18:00 pm
Christopher Harper Mercer...Recent Muslim convert.

But keep that under your had until the media tells you!

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 04:28:00 pm
I have two middle names.

Aw geez.....do we need to call somebody, or what?    :laugh:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 02, 2015, 04:28:55 pm
I do too!  What does that make us?

 :beer:

Uh....scary??   :laugh:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 02, 2015, 04:51:01 pm
Uh....scary??   :laugh:

 :2gunz:

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 02, 2015, 04:57:59 pm
Oregon gunman Chris Harper-Mercer lived in Torrance, graduated from Switzer Center

http://www.dailybulletin.com/general-news/20151001/oregon-gunman-chris-harper-mercer-lived-in-torrance-graduated-from-switzer-center

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Lists of South Bay graduates from 2009 published in the Daily Breeze showed Harper Mercer graduated from the Switzer Learning Center in Torrance with four other students. Switzer teaches students with learning disabilities and emotional issues.

A former behavioral aide at Switzer, who did not want her name used, said the majority of the students at the school are from foster, low-income and single-parent homes. Some of these students were expelled from other schools or had been in trouble with the law.

The school is divided among special needs students and those with behavioral problems.

Records showed Harper Mercer and his mother moved to Winchester, Ore., in 2013. In addition to Torrance, Harper showed previous addresses in Lomita, Harbor Gateway and Lomita.

CBS News reported that Harper Mercer’s stepsister said he was born in England and moved to the United States as a young boy. Harper Mercer’s father, who lives in Tarzana, married her mother, and the stepsister said the last time she spoke with Harper-Mercer was a year ago.

In Torrance, Medrano said it was shocking to learn Harper Mercer reportedly shot his victims after asking them if they were Christian.

“I wonder what happened in his life that brought him to that point,” Medrano said. “It’s heartbreaking.”

On a profile that appeared to belong to Harper-Mercer on the Spiritual Passions dating website, where he listed himself as Ironcross45, Harper Mercer said he was “looking for someone who shares my beliefs, and is similar to me.”

He described himself as a straight college student, a “teetotaller,” a conservative Republican and into punk industrial rock music. He described his interests and hobbies as “Internet, killing zombies, movies, music, reading.”

“Socially, I am shy at first, but warm up quickly, better in small groups,” he wrote. “I’m looking for romance, soulmate, conversation ... the yin to my yang, dating, penpal, friends only, relationship, miss right.”

He described himself as “not religious” and listed his groups as “Doesn’t Like Organized Religion,’ “Left-hnd path,” “Magick and Occult,” and “Not Religious but Spiritual.”

He wasn't born here. He came here when he was very young. So once again we have a immigrant killing us.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rb224315 on October 02, 2015, 05:07:03 pm
My son has 2 middle names.  He's a beast.  He refuses to sleep during the day--aside from two naps of 15 minutes each--and it makes mommy crazy.  For his 6-month birthday I'm getting him an iPod with recordings of Barry's speeches.  That should cure the daytime insomnia problem for the little tyke.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 02, 2015, 05:20:53 pm
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“I wonder what happened in his life that brought him to that point,” Medrano said. “It’s heartbreaking.”
Well, judging by the article alone, this would indicate a socially awkward guy, frustrated by rejection (possibly by a Christian girl, and I have heard and experienced several stories about so-called Christian girls who'd rather spend the rest of their lives alone than actually date a man), going ballistic a là Elliot Rodger. Yet usually there would be a rationale for the target in question. The attendees of a community college are mostly 18, 19, 20 years old—a little too young for the typical 26-year-old to be interested in dating. He didn't seem to have a direct connection to the college, at least as far as we know.

I'm not sure how reliable that supposed dating profile of his might be, or how long it may have been up there.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 02, 2015, 05:31:21 pm
Obama Blames Everyone But The Gunman For The Oregon Community College Shooting
 
Brian Anderson
October 2, 2015

After Chris Harper-Mercer killed at least 9 people and wounded 7 others at an Oregon community college on Thursday, Obama gave a brief angry response. He blamed guns, the NRA, Congress, and even us for not demanding our 2nd Amendment rights be taken away. But you know who he didn’t blame? The bleep that actually did the killing. Weird, huh?

This is the only time Obama references Harper-Mercer and he completely excuses the killer’s horrific actions:

“We don’t yet know why this individual did what he did. And it’s fair to say that anybody who does this has a sickness in their minds, regardless of what they think their motivations may be.”

Since the killer was obviously mentally ill and can’t be held responsible for his actions, here’s where Obama feels the blame belongs:

“And what’s become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common-sense gun legislation. Right now, I can imagine the press releases being cranked out: We need more guns, they’ll argue. Fewer gun safety laws.”

Clearly that was a jab at Wanye LaPierre and the NRA. He would double down on his attack on the NRA, but he’s apparently too afraid to actually utter the organization’s name:

“And I would particularly ask America’s gun owners — who are using those guns properly, safely, to hunt, for sport, for protecting their families — to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it’s speaking for you.”

Then he blames Congress for not bowing to his whacko gun control agenda:

“And this is not something I can do by myself. I’ve got to have a Congress and I’ve got to have state legislatures and governors who are willing to work with me on this.”

And finally he blames all of us for not surrendering our constitutionally protected rights:

“This is a political choice that we make to allow this to happen every few months in America. We collectively are answerable to those families who lose their loved ones because of our inaction.”

He really wants us to feel responsible for the shooting and to give up our gun rights:

“I’d ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws, and to save lives, and to let young people grow up. And that will require a change of politics on this issue. And it will require that the American people, individually, whether you are a Democrat or a Republican or an independent, when you decide to vote for somebody, are making a determination as to whether this cause of continuing death for innocent people should be a relevant factor in your decision.”

This entire speech was a big gun control push and had very little to do with the actual victims of the shooting. Obama is so shameless he doesn’t even pretend to give a shit any more. It’s all about exploiting a tragedy to shove his agenda down our throats:

“And, of course, what’s also routine is that somebody, somewhere will comment and say, Obama politicized this issue. Well, this is something we should politicize.”

It’s pretty amazing that Obama managed to blame this shooting on every single American except the one guy that actually did the killing. The NRA didn’t shoot anyone. Congress, even the angry lefty radicals, didn’t pull the trigger. You and I had absolutely nothing to do with this. Chris Harper-Mercer committed these atrocious acts of violence and he alone bears the responsibility for what he did.

http://downtrend.com/71superb/obama-blames-everyone-but-the-gunman-for-the-oregon-community-college-shooting
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 02, 2015, 05:31:29 pm
Umpqua Gunman Chris Harper Mercer Hated Religion Online

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/01/umpqua-gunman-id-d-as-chris-harper-mercer.html

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In a blog linked to that identity, Mercer expressed admiration for Roanoke shooter Vester Flanagan.

People “like him have nothing left to live for,” Mercer wrote on Aug. 31. “On an interesting note, I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are... A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you’re in the limelight.”

The MySpace page features a photo of Mercer holding a gun and smiling into the camera. The profile includes images of pro-Irish Republican Army propaganda.

(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/10/01/umpqua-gunman-id-d-as-chris-harper-mercer/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.jpg/48126432.cached.jpg)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 02, 2015, 05:39:00 pm
Or he is just getting ahead of the story. Creating the perception in people's minds before it is replaced. The first perception people have is generally hard to change. After the first perception, confirmation bias plays a part.

Yep... steering the discussion the way he wants it to go before the facts come out...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 02, 2015, 05:41:04 pm
Official: 13 weapons recovered from Oregon school shooting, 6 at school and 7 at gunman's residence; some were not purchased by the shooter, all purchased legally

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-ore/
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 02, 2015, 05:50:36 pm
Oregon college gunman was kicked out of the Army in 2008 as it emerges police have found seven more weapons at his home - as well as six guns at school including assault rifle and three pistols

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3257921/Oregon-college-gunman-kicked-Army-2008-emerges-police-seven-weapons-home-six-guns-school-including-assault-rifle-THREE-pistols-used-massacre.html

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    Chris Harper-Mercer, 26, was discharged from the U.S. Army after 5 weeks
    He was training at Fort Jackson but failed to meet 'minimum standards'
    Oregon college gunman had 13 weapons in total, all purchased legally
    Seven were discovered at his home, with six guns found at the school
    Mercer killed at least nine people and wounded 20 before being shot dead

He also may have left a manifesto.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 02, 2015, 06:23:54 pm
Uh....scary??   :laugh:

I would say "formidable".  But, that's a good thing!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: raml on October 03, 2015, 12:47:54 am
 jmyrlefuller  I don't know any Christian woman except nuns that aren't married or have at least once been married and I am a real Christian as are all the people I pal around with. I don't know what you are trying to imply about Christian woman when you single just Christian women out and say some never want to date a man I have never met one yet that was a real Christian that had that type of agenda but the fact is some woman may not ever want to date a man and may reject them but if they don't want to date them how could he have been rejected by one since they would never have dated him in the first place. Logic is missing on your statement. Now he may have been rejected by a woman who was a Christian or his own mother who may be one we don't know why he choose to single out Christians yet and I have a few thoughts but since the media will squash what I think I will keep it to myself since many here actually don't believe Obama and the media keep us from the truth.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 03, 2015, 12:53:31 am
Oregon gunman Chris Harper-Mercer lived in Torrance, graduated from Switzer Center

http://www.dailybulletin.com/general-news/20151001/oregon-gunman-chris-harper-mercer-lived-in-torrance-graduated-from-switzer-center

He wasn't born here. He came here when he was very young. So once again we have a immigrant killing us.

Naughty..naughty..you were supposed to add the qualifier "illegal" to your condemnation. :)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2015, 01:44:49 am
We're hearing "assault" weapon, but what was it really? Just a semi-auto rifle?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 03, 2015, 02:16:55 am
jmyrlefuller  I don't know any Christian woman except nuns that aren't married or have at least once been married and I am a real Christian as are all the people I pal around with. I don't know what you are trying to imply about Christian woman when you single just Christian women out and say some never want to date a man I have never met one yet that was a real Christian that had that type of agenda but the fact is some woman may not ever want to date a man and may reject them but if they don't want to date them how could he have been rejected by one since they would never have dated him in the first place. Logic is missing on your statement. Now he may have been rejected by a woman who was a Christian or his own mother who may be one we don't know why he choose to single out Christians yet and I have a few thoughts but since the media will squash what I think I will keep it to myself since many here actually don't believe Obama and the media keep us from the truth.
My only point there was to say that the story that article was trying to convey doesn't make sense. There are too many other points of evidence, the way he was so enamored with militant groups being first among them, to really point the finger at a woman spurning him. No, this was something deeper—an attack on society.

I only singled out Christian women because Christianity was a stated motive for the killings. So, if it had been a woman spurning him, it would have had to be a Christian woman.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2015, 03:00:13 am
My only point there was to say that the story that article was trying to convey doesn't make sense. There are too many other points of evidence, the way he was so enamored with militant groups being first among them, to really point the finger at a woman spurning him. No, this was something deeper—an attack on society.

I only singled out Christian women because Christianity was a stated motive for the killings. So, if it had been a woman spurning him, it would have had to be a Christian woman.

Initial reports from all media stated that he targeted women.

Yet, of the nine that died, 'only' three were female.  And IIRC, at least one of them was in her 40's.   

It's back to the drawing board, Jay Myrle. 
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 03, 2015, 02:44:29 pm
My opinion is that he targeted killing Christians because he is an ISIS convert.  We're probably never going to get confirmation of that, but I've seen that he is a Muslim convert.  I saw somewhere else that one of the Americans that helped to thwart the terrorist attack on the French train had previously attended that same community college.  Was that a factor in why he chose to attack that school?

I think if it is found that he has ties to ISIS - we'll never hear about it.

Oh, and I hate Obama's guts.

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 03, 2015, 03:01:14 pm
My opinion is that he targeted killing Christians because he is an ISIS convert.  We're probably never going to get confirmation of that, but I've seen that he is a Muslim convert.  I saw somewhere else that one of the Americans that helped to thwart the terrorist attack on the French train had previously attended that same community college.  Was that a factor in why he chose to attack that school?

I think if it is found that he has ties to ISIS - we'll never hear about it.

Oh, and I hate Obama's guts.

Why stop at guts...he's got plenty more for me to hate. The worst part is he's the one that made hating him racial. That, in and of itself, is reason enough to hate him, guts and all.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Scottftlc on October 03, 2015, 03:16:53 pm
There is going to be some fancy dancing if this guy was a recent convert to Islam who targeted Christians. Obama can't let those thoughts move forward, so he will make sure the media is in line.  They won't show his picture, they'll focus on the weapons he used and they will claim he had racist tendencies and was upset about being rejected by girls (like the Santa Barbara killer).  He won't allow a connection to Islam or anti-Christianity.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 03:42:06 pm
Naughty..naughty..you were supposed to add the qualifier "illegal" to your condemnation. :)
I don't think he came here illegally otherwise I would have. :smokin:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 03:45:26 pm
At heavy.com it had a article that isis claimed responsibility for his actions.  He was a left pather or some such thing, which is into devil worshiping.  I read he wanted to kill Christians so he could go to hell to meet the devil. If I find that article I will post.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 03, 2015, 03:51:09 pm
At heavy.com it had a article that isis claimed responsibility for his actions.  He was a left pather or some such thing, which is into devil worshiping.  I read he wanted to kill Christians so he could go to hell to meet the devil. If I find that article I will post.

People here hoping for a muslim connection are being a little silly.  It isn't always about Islam.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 04:34:42 pm
People here hoping for a muslim connection are being a little silly.  It isn't always about Islam.
Correct.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 03, 2015, 04:58:18 pm
People here hoping for a muslim connection are being a little silly.  It isn't always about Islam.

I don't know that I am "hoping" for a Muslim connection, but I know that I don't discount the possibility.  I've read a lot of conflicting things about this guy.  I don't think it's "silly" to wonder about. 

Here's a bit on YouTube that certainly would point to at least some Muslim empathy on his part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKOIVBLTjcs

I don't think I'd be so flippant about the 'notion', it has happened before. 

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 03, 2015, 05:04:49 pm
I don't know that I am "hoping" for a Muslim connection, but I know that I don't discount the possibility.  I've read a lot of conflicting things about this guy.  I don't think it's "silly" to wonder about. 

Here's a bit on YouTube that certainly would point to at least some Muslim empathy on his part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKOIVBLTjcs

I don't think I'd be so flippant about the 'notion', it has happened before.

Ahem... 4-chan

Nuff said.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 03, 2015, 05:15:55 pm
Ahem... 4-chan

Nuff said.

I guess it's not "nuff said" - what is 4-chan?  I'm missing your point.

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 03, 2015, 05:22:21 pm
I guess it's not "nuff said" - what is 4-chan?  I'm missing your point.

4-chan the 'premiere' internet troll site in existence. The hacker group "Anonymous" uses posts there.  In essence, it's a breeding ground for 'misfits', some of whom will go back into the real world to do something '4 teh lulz'.

Example picture describing '4 teh lulz' and summing up 4-chan in a nutshell:

(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/For_7bc4c5_123923.jpg)

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That said, 2-chan's founder just bought the site, so there is hope.  2-chan was the Japanese site that the creators of 4-chan copied when they created it.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 03, 2015, 05:24:27 pm
4-chan is the settling tank in the maze of piping that makes up the internet. It's where all the bits of shit settle out.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 03, 2015, 05:32:59 pm
4-chan is the settling tank in the maze of piping that makes up the internet. It's where all the bits of shit settle out.

Never heard of it before. But I've never gone to DU or Daily Kos, either. I learned the hard way, you can't take your computer in the shower.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 03, 2015, 05:33:15 pm
4-chan is the settling tank in the maze of piping that makes up the internet. It's where all the bits of shit settle out.

Now, now... if you like Japanese hentai tentacle rape porn, or where to read about an otaku's new 'waifu', or read the latest version of the Anarchist's Cookbook, then 4-chan's the place to be!

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 03, 2015, 05:43:36 pm
4-chan the 'premiere' internet troll site in existence. The hacker group "Anonymous" uses posts there.  In essence, it's a breeding ground for 'misfits', some of whom will go back into the real world to do something '4 teh lulz'.

Example picture describing '4 teh lulz' and summing up 4-chan in a nutshell:

(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/For_7bc4c5_123923.jpg)

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That said, 2-chan's founder just bought the site, so there is hope.  2-chan was the Japanese site that the creators of 4-chan copied when they created it.

Okay, still don't understand the connection between that and the youtube I posted that is supposed to be from Mercer's MySpace page.  Are you saying that is something that came from 4-chan?

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2015, 06:26:51 pm
Bottom line: was this jerk a Muslime (or wannabe) or not?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 07:01:03 pm
Bottom line: was this jerk a Muslime (or wannabe) or not?
Don't know. Sites that showed a connection disappeared. I posted a article about him and Russia trying to give obama a list. I found out that it was a fake. So I deleted it.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 07:35:34 pm
The Curious Case of Oregon Shooter Chris Harper-Mercer – A Social Media Profile Shaped, Modified and Deleted…

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/02/the-curious-case-of-oregon-shooter-chris-harper-mercer-a-social-media-profile-shaped-modified-and-deleted/

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The Oregon Shooter is a 26-year-old black male.

Birth Certificate Name is: Christopher Sean Mercer – 07/26/1989.
Mother: Laurel Margaret Harper – 04/05/1951
Dad: Ian Bernard Mercer – 05/15/1960
Divorced in 2006

oregon shooter 10 momoregon shooter 11 dad

oregon shooter 9 color black
REAL IMAGE (left)  – CNN IMAGE (right)

On the left is the selfie Christopher Mercer uploaded to his social media. On the right is how CNN presented the same selfie in broadcast stories about him.  Why did CNN need to change the complexion (color) of their broadcast?  Why is no-one showing pictures of mom, Laurel Margaret Harper.

Why change to hyphenated name?  Real name is Christopher Sean Mercer.  Media using Christopher Harper-Mercer and Chris Harper-Merc
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Oceander on October 03, 2015, 07:37:58 pm
The pix

Real pic on left, CNN's falsified pic on right:

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/oregon-shooter-9-color-black.jpg)


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Oceander on October 03, 2015, 07:42:13 pm
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However, today almost all of that social media history is GONE -> Example Here.  It is either removed entirely, and/or edited for content.  How it could be edited is a mystery unless there is some other issue at hand.

In addition, as several researchers have noted, anyone who held attachment to Mercer appears to be deleting the content of their association.  Including Umpqua Community College itself.

As D-Man was pointing out Mercer was part of a production class going to present a play at Umpqua Community College named “BLITHE SPIRIT“.  The play was scheduled to run later this month:

From the cache Centerstage Theatre at UCC

Please join me in congratulating the team for our Fall show! This is going to be an awesome comedy to start out the year. This British comedy comes with witty language and spooky effects. We are especially delighted to feature our local star who is now based out of NYC, Josh Carlton!
BLITHE SPIRIT, by Noel Coward
Presented by UCC Theatre Arts Oct 30-Nov 8
CHARLES: Josh Carlton
RUTH: Rebecca Miles
EDITH: Abby Dooley
DR. BRADMAN: Devin Barnett
MRS. BRADMAN: Alexandra Duvall
MADAME ARCATI: Rachel Fitzhugh
ELVIRA, the Blithe Spirit: Chloe Quinn
Understudy for DR. BRADMAN: Benjamin Jacobsen
Directed by Stephanie Newman
Assistant Director: Aaron Carter
Stage Manager: Anna Mae Whatley
Production Assistants: Alex Frier, Joel Macha, Mary Chitwood, Chris Harper-Mercer, Isaac Guerrero, Ashley Jakubos
Lighting Assistant: Devin Barnett
Special Effects: Jim Smith, Keith Weikum
Program/Ads: Fred Brenchley
Marketing: Travis Newman
Other Volunteers: YOU! Get involved and have some fun!

However, everything to do with that production has been scrubbed and deleted.  Including the FaceBook page (since deleted) But visible on Cache HERE and more HERE.

Being part of an Umpqua college production class and performance etc. would run counter to the seemingly preferred media narrative of Chris Harper-Mercer being a loner, no?

Indeed if you were to look for information about Chris Harper-Mercer even being enrolled as a student at Umpqua you might even find contradictions and obfuscations about it.  It seems rather odd that only foreign publications even make note of this fact:

    “But he was listed as a “production assistant” in a Facebook post promoting a performance of a Noel Coward play by the school’s drama group” (link) ~ British

    “Police think Mercer may have been a student at Umpqua because he was found with a receipt from the campus bookstore showing he had purchased textbooks.” (link) ~ Canadian

While generally there will always be a “fog” about events, as something happens and people rush around trying to identify the full story, one would think it would be really easy to determine if Mercer was a student, and what classes he was specifically enrolled for.

Then there’s this little snippet which might clear all of this up:

    Stacy Boylan said his daughter told him the man “gave somebody a box, somebody who lived, and said, ‘You gotta deliver this.’ Somebody has a box. I don’t know what that’s about.”

    Law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation told CNN that the gunman handed his writings to a survivor, telling that person to give it to police, but the sources could not confirm the writings were inside the box. (link)

So apparently Mercer has given a “manifesto” (another similarity to E. Sheppard Jr) to a surviving student of the shooting.

Summary:  The immediate on-line web history of Chris Harper-Mercer showed him to be a mixed-race, angry young man in general alignment with various radical racially aligned groups such as Black Lives Matter, bleep The Police and bleep Yo Flag – all of which carry a sentiment of favorability and ideological alignment with Islam which was similarly evident in the Ferguson protest movement.

[ Against this backdrop shooting “White” “Christians” makes sense. ]

However, in the course of several hours (one media cycle) – the media narrative is selling a profile of a loner, mentally disturbed individual without any mention of his previous writings (deleted/changed), behaviors (hidden) and social tendencies (ignored).

Why?

Perhaps the answer lies within the response to the shooting from the White House where President Obama took quickly to the microphones to decry another school shooting without fully understanding the motive and intent.

Mercer’s possible motive and intent would now represent a political embarrassment against the backdrop of Obama’s speech if it aligns with something other than needed.


That is a really, really good reason to set up an alternative to the waybackmachine (internet archives) and google and find some way to fund a massive internet archive that archives everything in (almost) real time.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2015, 07:54:03 pm
The pix

Real pic on left, CNN's falsified pic on right:

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/oregon-shooter-9-color-black.jpg)

Should tell you everything one needs to know about the criminal leftist media complex.   Truly pathetic.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 07:56:39 pm
Should tell you everything one needs to know about the criminal leftist media complex.   Truly pathetic.
Cnn even made his nose smaller.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2015, 07:56:48 pm
Republicans running for POTUS should demand that Obama immediately resign his presidency.  Scream it from the rooftops and the bath houses too.

Time for this poser to go.

Funny thing is, if a certain leading candidate called a press conference and pointed out the doctored photo and CNN's attempt to change the race of the  shooter and his affiliation with BLM, and demanded Obama resign immediately for inciting murder and mayhem, his numbers would skyrocket above 50%
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2015, 07:56:58 pm
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/10/02/oregon-gunman-heroic-victim-served-army-with-different-records.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm

Oregon Gunman and Heroic Victim Served in Army, With Different Records
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 03, 2015, 08:40:20 pm
Bottom line: was this jerk a Muslime (or wannabe) or not?

He was an atheist hater which is not exactly rare with mass-murderers.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2015, 09:12:15 pm
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/02/23/article-3257855-2D071D4800000578-381_964x400.jpg)

Photos of victims.

Shoots the report that he targeted women because he was socially clumsy and couldn't get a date...all to hell, IMO.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2015, 09:34:16 pm
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/02/23/article-3257855-2D071D4800000578-381_964x400.jpg)

Photos of victims.

Shoots the report that he targeted women because he was socially clumsy and couldn't get a date...all to hell, IMO.
Also shoots down the theme he was a white supremacist.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 03, 2015, 10:02:03 pm
Okay, still don't understand the connection between that and the youtube I posted that is supposed to be from Mercer's MySpace page.  Are you saying that is something that came from 4-chan?

There was/is a thread on 4-chan where he tells everyone there to stay home, as 'something' will happen.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 03, 2015, 10:10:37 pm
The Curious Case of Oregon Shooter Chris Harper-Mercer – A Social Media Profile Shaped, Modified and Deleted…

When will you guys learn not to believe anything the msm tells you?


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 03, 2015, 10:45:11 pm
When will you guys learn not to believe anything the msm tells you?

Dan, that's not entirely fair. No one is saying believe the media 100% or even 50%. But when a big tragic event like this happens people are starved for information. What do you do in the absence of reliable information? Glom on to whatever anonymous website feeds your fears or preconceived notions?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 04, 2015, 12:58:04 am
Dan, that's not entirely fair. No one is saying believe the media 100% or even 50%. But when a big tragic event like this happens people are starved for information. What do you do in the absence of reliable information? Glom on to whatever anonymous website feeds your fears or preconceived notions?
Thanks for your post, AC.

Twice the other day, I posted crap on this topic, only to find out that despite the trustworthiness of the site/link, the information was bogus.

We STILL don't know crap about this guy....which by itself I find amazing, given the social media network and his penchant to use same.

We waited more than 8 hours while certain government agencies or black ops for the regime scrubbed the internet.

Like Ray Donovan....they changed the story.

What pisses me off more than anything is the mainstream media never bothers to inquire about it.  If it were George W. Bush, they'd have crucified him for coming out before the perp was identified...to politicize it to fit the agenda.

We're freaking living in a nightmare with this president and the current Democrat Party.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2015, 01:03:37 am
Dan, that's not entirely fair. No one is saying believe the media 100% or even 50%. But when a big tragic event like this happens people are starved for information. What do you do in the absence of reliable information? Glom on to whatever anonymous website feeds your fears or preconceived notions?

Sure it's fair.  Until you learn not to accept what the msm is feeding you... your mind will never be open enough to consider what may actually have happened.

All you do is glom on to whatever msm outlet feeds your fears or preconceived notions.  How is that any different?

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 04, 2015, 01:04:16 am

We're freaking living in a nightmare with this president and the current Democrat Party.

Words that ring so true, DC.  I barely recognize my country after seven years of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and that POS.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 04, 2015, 01:07:13 am
Sure it's fair.  Until you learn not to accept what the msm is feeding you... your mind will never be open enough to consider what may actually have happened.

All you do is glom on to whatever msm outlet feeds your fears or preconceived notions.  How is that any different?

Well, one would have to assume some sort of centralized coordination. And that's a bridge too far for me, Dan. I don't go in for vast conspiracies, right or left.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2015, 01:10:15 am
Well, one would have to assume some sort of centralized coordination. And that's a bridge too far for me, Dan. I don't go in for vast conspiracies, right or left.

Which is why you guys wander around wondering what the heck is going on...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: bkepley on October 04, 2015, 01:38:39 am
Which is why you guys wander around wondering what the heck is going on...

Since you know everything why don't you help us out?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 04, 2015, 03:02:28 am
Since you know everything why don't you help us out?

It's the Illuminati, the Elders of Zion, the Trilateral Commision, and ALIENS!!!

It's all a conspiracy, you see.  A conspiracy!  Even this post is a conspiracy to throw you off the truth.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 04, 2015, 12:19:51 pm
Dear 'Gun Free Zone' Campus Wizards: Nine Kids Died Because Of Your Stupid Policy

Doug Giles

(http://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2012/270/a6badfac-27ca-45ec-a6b9-0b7823aec759.jpg)

Last Friday night I was at my favorite cigar bar watching the news of the Umpqua Community College massacre. Like you, my buddies and I were pissed off, sad and sick to our stomachs. Three things, in particular, were ticking us off regarding this senseless slaughter.

They were ...

1. Another “Gun Free Zone” Epic Fail.
2. Christians Were Targeted.
3. Apparently Only One Dude Out Of A Couple Of Dozen Fought Back.

Here's my thoughts regarding the foul aforementioned.

GUN FREE ZONES.

I know this will be too difficult for your typical abecedarian leftist to grasp but ... If there had been a good guy with a gun on campus, who was trained, licensed and allowed to carry, he could have sent that murderous spawn of Satan to an early hell where he could slow roast for all eternity. Boom. Problem solved.

Unfortunately, there was no concealed weapon in the possession of a concerned citizen to stop this demonic dipstick because guns are disallowed on that campus. How cute. How PC of UCC. I bet Obama really loves you.

Oh, by the way, your “gun free zone” rule was obviously a bad idea. Like in: "a very bad idea." Like in: "Nine Christian kids were shot in the head", bad idea.

Did you get that, Umpqua? Nine dead. As in one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine ... dead. All because you don't value self-defense, the Second Amendment or the lives of the kids whose parents pay your bills.

If I were one of the parents who had my child senselessly slaughtered on your campus, I'd sue your politically correct butt off. I think places like yours should no longer be left off the litigious hook. You're culpable because you could have prevented and yet … you didn't. You chose stupidity over common sense and you should pay ... heavily. I think a precedent should be set. Why not start with you, UCC?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. You did do all you could do. Silly me. You had one Barney Fife security cop with pepper spray and a plastic badge to protect 3000 students when a mass-murderer, with multiple weapons, strode onto your campus ready to kill. Speaking of your security guard, where the heck was he when the crap was hitting the fan? Do tell.

This is simple: Gun Free Zones are target rich environments. That's why I do not frequent them and I'd advise all those reading to do the same.
CHRISTIANS WERE TARGETED.

Dear Christian: Next time a killer asks you, “Are you a Christian?”, please kill that SOB for us all. If you're unable to put him down and you're around other Christians that he intends to slaughter, then have a pre-arranged pact that one of the brethren will grab the shooter and the other saints will beat and choke the Be-Jesus out of him. In Christian love, of course.

For those who think I'm being un-Christlike with that advice, I don't believe that Jesus would have passively allowed for such a slaughter without opening up a giant, Big Gulp sized can of holy whup ass on the perp. And if for some weird reason the real Jesus would be against my advice, then he's going to just have to forgive me because I don't believe in letting a murderous ass-monkey rule and ruin innocent kids' lives. Can I get a witness?!

Oh, and by the way, Obama didn't seem to make too big of a deal over Christians being picked out and slaughtered, did he? Can you imagine his response if it were Muslim kids that were targeted?

ONLY ONE HERO FOUGHT BACK.

What has happened to our culture that one, lone Army vet, namely, Chris Mitz, fought back heroically trying to save other students. Sure he got shot, but there is no telling how many lives he saved grappling with the gun- wielding goon. What has happened to our culture is we have been systematically pussified. And that needs to change, STAT.

Parents, pastors and mentors please … for the love of God ... teach your charges that there is this thing called “sacrifice” and that it is a virtue, especially when utilized in the saving of another precious life.

more at:   http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2015/10/04/dear-gun-free-zone-campus-wizards-nine-kids-died-because-of-your-stupid-policy-n2060873 (http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2015/10/04/dear-gun-free-zone-campus-wizards-nine-kids-died-because-of-your-stupid-policy-n2060873)

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Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 04, 2015, 01:47:13 pm
Been Here Before: ‘Black Lives Matter’ Activist Falsely Assumes Oregon Shooter Is White
Brian Carey
October 3, 2015

Spoilers: The Oregon shooter isn’t white.

That didn’t stop DeRay McKesson, professional canker sore and leader of the flea circus known as “Black Lives Matter” from tweeting that the Oregon shooter was white, though.

Sidebar: We won’t name the Oregon shooter. These mass-murdering idiots want some level infamy in return for their evil and we don’t plan on giving it to them.

However, we will say this: The mother of the shooter is African-American. The guy was bi-racial.

None of that reality prevented McKesson from retweeting statements that made it clear he thought the Oregon shooter was whiter than a Klan rally. You can see his series of tweets right here.

If this had been a “one off” for McKesson, we probably wouldn’t have written anything about it. But we’ve been here before.

In fact, the “Black Lives Matter” activist automagically assumed that the Roanoke shooter was white as well.

Clearly, McKesson is a racist with a chronic case of BWS (“Blame Whitey Syndrome”). He lets his bigotry dictate his opinion before he even knows the facts. He’s a knee-jerk reactionary, with a particular emphasis on “jerk.”

It’s people like McKesson that hinder, rather than improve race relations in America. He’s a villainous jackass, an ignorant putz, and should be shamed by everybody.

So that’s why it makes perfect sense that he’ll be teaching at Yale.

http://downtrend.com/brian-carey/been-here-before-black-lives-matter-activist-falsely-claims-oregon-shooter-is-white
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 04, 2015, 01:51:24 pm
I knew there was some reason Obama was slow to respond on the shooting.  When he did, it was a mentally deranged person that did it, another statement unusual for Obama.   And this explains it.  He can't blame the shooting on crackers because it would be calling himself a cracker.  How disappointing it must have been for our racist POTUS. :peeonobama:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: 240B on October 04, 2015, 02:48:14 pm
Obama was very, very,  disappointed that the shooter was not a White guy, as was the American press and the Left in general. They don't care a single bit that people were killed. And they damn sure don't care when White Christians are killed. They might even celebrate that. They only care about how it affects their agendas, and nothing more than that.

You just know the MSM was chomping at the bit to call him a White-Black like Zimmerman was a White-Hispanic, but they couldn't because of Obama.  Ha!

They did manage to sneak in, somehow, that he was a *conservative" Republican according to their warped world, and that is the worst type of 'evil Republican' a person can possibly be.

Obama, the Left, and the MSM, were all very disappointed in how it all played out not in their favor. I feel for them.

The only thing missing was Obama's famous ignorant speech about how beautiful, and wonderful, and 'peaceful', Muslims are. Followed by his standard speech about how Islam is a blessing to all mankind, and no Muslim has ever hurt anyone in the entire history of the world, and no Muslim has ever done anything wrong ever!

Sadly, I am not joking about this. I am 100% sure that if the shooter had been a Muslim or Muslims, that Obama would have expressed condolences to "all people involved". This is a phrase Obama uses whenever a Muslim is killed after killing a bunch of infidels. He likes to say this because the term, 'all people involved', obviously includes the terrorists as well as the victims. And this is how he thinks.

Condolences for all people involved, is what Hussein said about 9/11.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 04, 2015, 03:09:54 pm


The only thing missing was Obama's famous ignorant speech about how beautiful, and wonderful, and 'peaceful', Muslims are. Followed by his standard speech about how Islam is a blessing to all mankind, and no Muslim has ever hurt anyone in the entire history of the world, and no Muslim has ever done anything wrong ever!
 

Obama did once say part of his job as POTUS was to protect Islam.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 04, 2015, 07:59:47 pm
This whole thing also kind of throws a wrench into the atheists' talking point that religion is supposedly the source of most of the world's violence.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 04, 2015, 08:06:07 pm
This whole thing also kind of throws a wrench into the atheists' talking point that religion is supposedly the source of most of the world's violence.


(http://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/14548_10151220075508089_1843572389_n.jpg?oh=430b0af75cb21fef32fbe3e6faae6c8d&oe=56A28B40)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2015, 08:15:07 pm
It's the Illuminati, the Elders of Zion, the Trilateral Commision, and ALIENS!!!

It's all a conspiracy, you see.  A conspiracy!  Even this post is a conspiracy to throw you off the truth.

I know what you can do... you can believe what the msm and the government tells you is the truth.

Yeah... that works great... good answer...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 04, 2015, 08:20:29 pm
I know what you can do... you can believe what the msm and the government tells you is the truth.

Yeah... that works great... good answer...

Or you could be intelligent about it.  Read two-three sources from differing political viewpoints.  See what was said in one, but not the other.  And if something was stated in just one source and nowhere else, it's probably bull.

That's a good way to find the truth.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2015, 08:29:08 pm
Or you could be intelligent about it.  Read two-three sources from differing political viewpoints.  See what was said in one, but not the other.  And if something was stated in just one source and nowhere else, it's probably bull.

That's a good way to find the truth.

You talk about what the media wants you to talk about, you use sources the media gives you about the subject it wants you to talk about and you engage in the fallacy of appeal to popular opinion to decide what is correct...

And this is your method for finding 'truth'... awesome...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 04, 2015, 08:39:03 pm
You talk about what the media wants you to talk about, you use sources the media gives you about the subject it wants you to talk about and you engage in the fallacy of appeal to popular opinion to decide what is correct...

And this is your method for finding 'truth'... awesome...

 :beer:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 04, 2015, 08:43:37 pm
You talk about what the media wants you to talk about, you use sources the media gives you about the subject it wants you to talk about and you engage in the fallacy of appeal to popular opinion to decide what is correct...

And this is your method for finding 'truth'... awesome...
There is no way of finding truth. But if you have a better method of approximating it, I'd love to hear it.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 04, 2015, 08:53:12 pm
You talk about what the media wants you to talk about, you use sources the media gives you about the subject it wants you to talk about and you engage in the fallacy of appeal to popular opinion to decide what is correct...

And this is your method for finding 'truth'... awesome...

Alright, then.  Let's put it to a test.

Has North Korea tested a nuke?  The news says that they did.  Reading 2-3 sources gives me various data about it.

So, it's your turn.  Did they?  Remember, the news lies (as you say).
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 12:29:39 am
Alright, then.  Let's put it to a test.

Has North Korea tested a nuke?  The news says that they did.  Reading 2-3 sources gives me various data about it.

So, it's your turn.  Did they?  Remember, the news lies (as you say).

CNN showed the half-black 'shooter' as being white while avoiding photos of his black mother.  Is this guy white?

Shooter leaves a 'manifesto' (SOP these days)... media says he had white supremacist 'leanings'... no you can't see it.  Is this guy really a half-black white supremacist?

Your turn...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 12:54:01 am

Epic rant up thread by Doug Giles. Righteous passion. Thanks for posting, DC.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 05, 2015, 01:23:53 am
CNN showed the half-black 'shooter' as being white while avoiding photos of his black mother.  Is this guy white?

Shooter leaves a 'manifesto' (SOP these days)... media says he had white supremacist 'leanings'... no you can't see it.  Is this guy really a half-black white supremacist?

Your turn...

How do you know a shooting even happened?  It was on the news, you know.  I mean, how can you trust 'them'?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 01:08:00 pm
How do you know a shooting even happened?  It was on the news, you know.  I mean, how can you trust 'them'?

You don't... they're lying to you either way... that's the point...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Carling on October 05, 2015, 02:55:06 pm
Well, one would have to assume some sort of centralized coordination. And that's a bridge too far for me, Dan. I don't go in for vast conspiracies, right or left.

The JournoList is an example of centralized coordination.  The MSM is basically a press release organ for the Democrat Party.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 03:10:32 pm
The JournoList is an example of centralized coordination.  The MSM is basically a press release organ for the Democrat Party.

And, the overwhelming number of liberal schools and university professors turnout liberal journalists, who then reinforce the liberal point of view in the populace...who then become liberal university professors who turn out liberal journalists, who then... It's a perpetual ideology machine.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, too.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 03:11:35 pm
The JournoList is an example of centralized coordination.  The MSM is basically a press release organ for the Democrat Party.

"Ezra Klein controlled the forum's membership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList) and limited it to "several hundred left-leaning bloggers, political reporters, magazine writers, policy wonks and academics."

Ol' Ezra wouldn't be a member of 'the group that cannot be criticized'... would he?

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 03:17:44 pm

But, I forgot to mention ... It's simply a liberal milieu we are dealing with, not a command and control center.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 03:29:22 pm
But, I forgot to mention ... It's simply a liberal milieu we are dealing with, not a command and control center.

If you'll just try a little harder... work a little harder... get a GOP President and Congress... then you'll overcome the 'liberal milieu'...

NOT...    :silly:


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Carling on October 05, 2015, 04:03:06 pm
And, the overwhelming number of liberal schools and university professors turnout liberal journalists, who then reinforce the liberal point of view in the populace...who then become liberal university professors who turn out liberal journalists, who then... It's a perpetual ideology machine.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, too.

"Check the transcript, Candy."

Stephanapoulus' seemingly random question to Romney about birth control that started the "war on women" nonsense.

It doesn't take a math genius to put 1+1 together when looking for examples of coordination between the Dems and their friendly media in terms of controlling the narrative.  Watch the liberal news media.  Rush Limbaugh literally puts out hilarious audio examples of liberal media soundbites being exactly the same across all networks, including the same buzzwords.  How does that happen?  It can't be a coincidence.



Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
"Check the transcript, Candy."

Stephanapoulus' seemingly random question to Romney about birth control that started the "war on women" nonsense.

It doesn't take a math genius to put 1+1 together when looking for examples of coordination between the Dems and their friendly media in terms of controlling the narrative.  Watch the liberal news media.  Rush Limbaugh literally puts out hilarious audio examples of liberal media soundbites being exactly the same across all networks, including the same buzzwords.  How does that happen?  It can't be a coincidence.

I never said democrats don't have cheerleaders in the media. Just that there is no "central" command and control, as in a "vast conspiracy directed by a shadowy "someone," whom the conspiracists are forever unable to name.

Nor do I believe Rush Limbaugh is part of a right wing media conspiracy.

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 05, 2015, 05:36:37 pm
I never said democrats don't have cheerleaders in the media. Just that there is no "central" command and control, as in a "vast conspiracy directed by a shadowy "someone," whom the conspiracists are forever unable to name.

Nor do I believe Rush Limbaugh is part of a right wing media conspiracy.

It's not a conspiracy, but then, none is required to achieve the desired effect.

An essentially uniform story narrative comes about quite naturally - because of the common beliefs, assumptions and values held by news reporters and editors who grew up in the same places and went to the same schools. It is then affirmed and amplified by the broad network of news sources upon which the mainstream media rely, including public policy organizations (both governmental and non-governmental), single-issue advocacy groups, and public relations/consulting firms - the vast majority of which are allied with liberal causes. 
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 05:42:38 pm
It's not a conspiracy, but then, none is required to achieve the desired effect.

Actually, it is a conspiracy.  JournoList and the echo-chamber of terms used on the msm proves that it is.

The only real question is... just how large is this conspiracy...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 05, 2015, 05:57:02 pm
Actually, it is a conspiracy.  JournoList and the echo-chamber of terms used on the msm proves that it is.

The only real question is... just how large is this conspiracy...
JournoList was (and is) primarily a resource for writers and editors who all think the same way already to contact academics and institution members who also already think the same way. I'm certain it has been used as a conduit for narrative and storyline development, but as such, it operates independently from other leftist movement opinion leaders and outlets, a fine list of which appears here.... http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Movement.asp
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 05:58:56 pm
JournoList was (and is) primarily a resource for writers and editors who all think the same way already to contact academics and institution members who also already think the same way. I'm certain it has been used as a conduit for narrative and storyline development, but as such, it operates independently from other leftist movement opinion leaders and outlets, a fine list of which appears here.... http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Movement.asp
How do you know it operates 'independently' from other leftist outlets?

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 06:16:35 pm
It's not a conspiracy, but then, none is required to achieve the desired effect.

An essentially uniform story narrative comes about quite naturally - because of the common beliefs, assumptions and values held by news reporters and editors who grew up in the same places and went to the same schools. It is then affirmed and amplified by the broad network of news sources upon which the mainstream media rely, including public policy organizations (both governmental and non-governmental), single-issue advocacy groups, and public relations/consulting firms - the vast majority of which are allied with liberal causes.

You made the point way better than I did in my attempt - but sometimes my time is limited and I rush through. What are you laughing at? It's a credible excuse. :whistle:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 05, 2015, 06:19:05 pm
Actually, it is a conspiracy.  JournoList and the echo-chamber of terms used on the msm proves that it is.

The only real question is... just how large is this conspiracy...

I agree with Dan.  There have been far too many cases of different MSM outlets using the same wording/phrasing on breaking stories for it to have been mere chance.  Sometimes the exact same wording.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 05, 2015, 06:37:21 pm
Actually, it is a conspiracy.  JournoList and the echo-chamber of terms used on the msm proves that it is.

The only real question is... just how large is this conspiracy...

I'm totally on board with you on this one, Dan.      :beer:            (((ducks)))
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 07:09:49 pm

I agree with Dan.  There have been far too many cases of different MSM outlets using the same wording/phrasing on breaking stories for it to have been mere chance.  Sometimes the exact same wording.

There are organizational reasons for the exact wording.

(Preface: reporters and editors are lazy. They've been known to invent sources and attributions. As a qualifier, I have a journalism degree from Cal State but went in a different direction after graduation.)

News agencies (AFP, Reuters, DPA, TASS etc) sell news to outlets. Local newspapers, TV, radio stations subscribe to news services because they don't have the resources to gather national and international news themselves.

Combine those two facts and what you get is similar wording in TV, radio and newspaper stories. Plus there's the Internet, a new, major source of the echo chamber effect.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 05, 2015, 07:12:11 pm
Don't forget also that all news agencies use the same style guide.



Psst - do you think he knows we're all in on the conspiracy? Or is he just guessing?  :whistle:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 05, 2015, 07:19:39 pm
There are organizational reasons for the exact wording.

(Preface: reporters and editors are lazy. They've been known to invent sources and attributions. As a qualifier, I have a journalism degree from Cal State but went in a different direction after graduation.)

News agencies (AFP, Reuters, DPA, TASS etc) sell news to outlets. Local newspapers, TV, radio stations subscribe to news services because they don't have the resources to gather national and international news themselves.

Combine those two facts and what you get is similar wording in TV, radio and newspaper stories. Plus there's the Internet, a new, major source of the echo chamber effect.
I have long complained that the Associated Press, with its access to almost every newspaper in America and countless TV and radio outlets, is one of the most dangerous organizations in America. They have a unique ability to control a narrative that few other agencies have.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 05, 2015, 07:23:37 pm
I have long complained that the Associated Press, with its access to almost every newspaper in America and countless TV and radio outlets, is one of the most dangerous organizations in America. They have a unique ability to control a narrative that few other agencies have.

I just hate coinkidinks like that...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 07:24:58 pm
Don't forget also that all news agencies use the same style guide.



Psst - do you think he knows we're all in on the conspiracy? Or is he just guessing?  :whistle:

Exactly.

I just think that liberal and conservative are the two major ways of thinking about the world - political and social. Each team uses similar plays (arguments), live life in similar ways (not exactly but you know what I mean).

I feel certain that new brain scanning technology may someday show structural differences between liberals' and conservatives' brains. And in the case of liberals they'll discover the hamster died.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 05, 2015, 07:41:37 pm
Dan is absolutely right.....watch this and then get back to me.

And not once is there a repeat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0LCTl3o2kY
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 07:55:57 pm

DC, heard this before. Just lazy talking heads, that's all.

I looked up the word gravitas: Definition: seriousness. Synonyms: dignity, gravity, sobriety.

Sometimes one particular word works the best (to show off how smart they think they are.)

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 05, 2015, 07:59:27 pm
I have long complained that the Associated Press, with its access to almost every newspaper in America and countless TV and radio outlets, is one of the most dangerous organizations in America. They have a unique ability to control a narrative that few other agencies have.
FWIW, I am a former reporter. One of my coworkers at the newspaper, a very good reporter and writer, applied for a job at AP. They told her they wouldn't hire her because she had been spotted at a rally for a Republican gubernatorial candidate. It wasn't actually a rally and she was just hanging out with some friends, but that pretty well sums up the hiring practices there.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 05, 2015, 08:00:30 pm
I agree with Dan.  There have been far too many cases of different MSM outlets using the same wording/phrasing on breaking stories for it to have been mere chance.  Sometimes the exact same wording.

No question about it - they frequently use the same wording, phrasing and story line/narrative, while omitting any facts or details that tend to contradict the "approved" narrative.

The point I'm trying to make is that we cannot assume from such commonalities alone that a "conspiracy" is afoot, or that purposeful collaboration between media outlets is undeniable. For one thing, many of these media sources are in direct competition with one another for circulation or ratings or web advertising "hits". It is simply not in their interest to collaborate on everything.

Instead, from what I've seen and heard, liberal opinion makers all arrive at pretty much same place because they're on the same metaphorical "Info train" - they get their news from the New York Times and the Washington Post... who increasingly get their news from UPI, AP and Reuters (all liberal-dominated, of course). They get their position papers from the Center for American Progress and Brookings. They get press releases directly from the DNC, complete with talking points. They've got incestuous, revolving door relationships with government institutions in Washington/Maryland/Virginia. Hell, they marry each other in great numbers, after having gone to the same prep schools and colleges and grad schools. They live in an echo chamber of "acceptable" liberal opinion, which light never enters and dissent never escapes.  And yes - they're also lazy. 
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Carling on October 05, 2015, 08:02:41 pm
DC, heard this before. Just lazy talking heads, that's all.

I looked up the word gravitas: Definition: seriousness. Synonyms: dignity, gravity, sobriety.

Sometimes one particular word works the best (to show off how smart they think they are.)

There are many more examples of what DC posted.  There is no way it is all coincidence that numerous media outlets use the same term.  I'm just surprised that there are still people on the right who don't think Democrats and the White House coordinate news events and narratives with their liberal media friends.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Carling on October 05, 2015, 08:11:33 pm
Network news isn't set up to be profitable, nor is it expected to be.  It exists to control and distribute whatever information the Democrats want to get to the masses.

If these news outlets are supposed to be in competition, why don't they all report on the same "news?"  Reporting on news damaging to Democrats has worked out well for Fox News.  Why do you think the left targets them?
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 08:21:54 pm
There are many more examples of what DC posted.  There is no way it is all coincidence that numerous media outlets use the same term.  I'm just surprised that there are still people on the right who don't think Democrats and the White House coordinate news events and narratives with their liberal media friends.

Look, I think we're saying basically the same thing.

But, Dan takes it a step further, and if I've got this right, he believes there's some sort of Ernst Stavro Blofeld puppeteer behind a specter-like organization controlling news event, even staging events, like a murder on camera. That there's a grand design moving us toward what, I'm not sure. He always trails off with a question..... And who? He won't say.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 08:35:13 pm
Network news isn't set up to be profitable, nor is it expected to be.  It exists to control and distribute whatever information the Democrats want to get to the masses.

If these news outlets are supposed to be in competition, why don't they all report on the same "news?"  Reporting on news damaging to Democrats has worked out well for Fox News.  Why do you think the left targets them?



Try checking their earning online before making a statement like the above.

"Fox News, which also declined comment for this story, remains one of the most profitable channels of any kind on television. It attracted $2 billion in advertising and license fees from cable operators last year, according to SNL Kagan’s estimates. It earned $1.2 billion — for a staggering 60 percent profit margin. Even woebegone MSNBC, whose daytime audience has fallen to fewer than 300,000 viewers, did relatively steady business, turning a $206 million profit on $501 million in revenue last year, according to SNL Kagan (the comparable numbers for CNN: earnings of $327 million on $1.13 billion of revenue)."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/418038/most-profitable-name-news-jim-geraghty

And with this I'm out....
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 05, 2015, 08:37:41 pm
Look, I think we're saying basically the same thing.

But, Dan takes it a step further, and if I've got this right, he believes there's some sort of Ernst Stavro Blofeld puppeteer behind a specter-like organization controlling news event, even staging events, like a murder on camera. That there's a grand design moving us toward what, I'm not sure. He always trails off with a question..... And who? He won't say.

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/blofeld_5403.jpg)

He knows too much.... dispose of him.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: musiclady on October 05, 2015, 08:42:54 pm
Look, I think we're saying basically the same thing.

But, Dan takes it a step further, and if I've got this right, he believes there's some sort of Ernst Stavro Blofeld puppeteer behind a specter-like organization controlling news event, even staging events, like a murder on camera. That there's a grand design moving us toward what, I'm not sure. He always trails off with a question..... And who? He won't say.

Yes.  And he really believes there is some Wizard behind the curtain manipulating all events, and thinks we're all stupid and gullible because we don't believe HIM.

Therein lies the problem with pretty much everything he says.........
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 05, 2015, 08:46:22 pm

SPECTRE November 6, 2015

"BOND, JAMES BOND"

Can't wait!!!!!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Carling on October 05, 2015, 09:09:47 pm


Try checking their earning online before making a statement like the above.

"Fox News, which also declined comment for this story, remains one of the most profitable channels of any kind on television. It attracted $2 billion in advertising and license fees from cable operators last year, according to SNL Kagan’s estimates. It earned $1.2 billion — for a staggering 60 percent profit margin. Even woebegone MSNBC, whose daytime audience has fallen to fewer than 300,000 viewers, did relatively steady business, turning a $206 million profit on $501 million in revenue last year, according to SNL Kagan (the comparable numbers for CNN: earnings of $327 million on $1.13 billion of revenue)."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/418038/most-profitable-name-news-jim-geraghty

And with this I'm out....

If I had said cable news, your link would be relevant.  I'm talking about network broadcast news, and how similar their coverage is to each other.

So thanks for the link, I guess, but cable and dish networks earn money differently than ABC/NBC/CBS, and have a younger demographic watching than the dinosaur network news programs

"And with this, I'm out."
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 05, 2015, 09:18:09 pm
Look, I think we're saying basically the same thing.

But, Dan takes it a step further, and if I've got this right, he believes there's some sort of Ernst Stavro Blofeld puppeteer behind a specter-like organization controlling news event, even staging events, like a murder on camera. That there's a grand design moving us toward what, I'm not sure. He always trails off with a question..... And who? He won't say.

I don't know if Dan is saying that or not, but I am not.  I don't think they have little cards printed up, all know the secret handshake and meet at an undisclosed cave every other month.  I am saying that they all believe pretty much the same things, toe the party line, have a remarkable lack of curiosity for journalists, don't have any problem reporting on things that they can't personally vouch for the veracity of, and if one of them says it's true, then that's good enough for the rest of them.

Oh, and believe truth is relative and facts are simply something you use to back up your point of view, even if they're not true.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 05, 2015, 09:21:55 pm
There are many more examples of what DC posted.  There is no way it is all coincidence that numerous media outlets use the same term.  I'm just surprised that there are still people on the right who don't think Democrats and the White House coordinate news events and narratives with their liberal media friends.
No they get all their memos each morning from WH. Have notice this for years. As far as this last shooter. They all waited until all info was scrubbed from the net by the WH. Look cnn even had his face whiter. yesterday watched a interview on the cnn with a survivor of the shooting, not once did she say he asked if they were christian.

I noticed his manifesto is not out and about. Why? It doesn't help WH for the gun control agenda. 
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Godzilla on October 06, 2015, 01:35:42 am
You don't... they're lying to you either way... that's the point...

"The Joy of Fishes" by Zhuangzi

Zhuangzi and Huizi were crossing the Hao River by the dam.
Zhuangzi said, "See how free the fishes leap and dart: that is their happiness."

Huizi replied, "Since you are not a fish, how do you know what makes fishes happy?"

Zhuangzi said, "Since you are not I, how can you possibly know that I do not know what makes fishes happy?"

Huizi argued, "If I, not being you, cannot know what you know, it follows that you, not being a fish, cannot know what they know. The argument is complete!"

Zhuangzi said, "Wait a minute! Let us get back to the original question. What you asked me was 'How do you know what makes fishes happy?' From the terms of your question, you evidently know I know what makes fishes happy.

"I know the joy of fishes in the river through my own joy, as I go walking along the same river."
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 09:12:37 am
If I had said cable news, your link would be relevant.  I'm talking about network broadcast news, and how similar their coverage is to each other.

So thanks for the link, I guess, but cable and dish networks earn money differently than ABC/NBC/CBS, and have a younger demographic watching than the dinosaur network news programs

"And with this, I'm out."

One would have to be a financial wizard to determine broadcast network news profitability. To say the least, it's complicated. The networks don't break down profitability by division. But there are SEC statements that give clues. The following link does a financial analysis which helps with estimated profitability. As near as I can determine network news makes money.

http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2012/network-news-the-pace-of-change-accelerates/network-by-the-numbers/
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: rangerrebew on October 06, 2015, 12:01:27 pm

Not News: Obama's Planned Visit to Roseburg, Ore. 'Not Welcome' There
By Tom Blumer | October 5, 2015 | 10:28 PM EDT
 

Items found at the Associated Press, the New York Times and the Washington Post, in reporting that President Obama plans to visit Roseburg, Oregon later this week, have all failed to report that community leaders have said that his visit is not welcome.

The 4:10 p.m. PT (7:10 PM ET) entry at a running timeline at AP announced that "Barack Obama will travel to Oregon this week to visit privately with families of the victims of last week's shooting at a community college." None of the four previous items in the timeline as of 9:00 PM ET tonight (saved here for future reference) mentions that town leaders, who believe they are appropriately expressing the community's sentiments, would prefer that he stay away.

Juliet Eilperin's 7:51 PM item at the Post also failed to acknowledge the existence of community leaders' opposition to Obama's visit — something which has been known since mid-Monday morning, if not earlier:

    Obama will travel to Oregon Friday to meet with families of shooting victims

    President Obama will travel to Roseburg, Ore., Friday to visit privately with families of victims from last week's shooting there, according to White House officials.

    According to one White House official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the event in advance, "further details about the president's travel to Oregon will be made available in the coming days."

Just a few of the many items noting the opposition to Obama's visit are at Breitbart, Mediaite, Daily Caller, Gateway Pundit, and BizPac Review.

The fourth paragraph in Michael D. Shear's Times story refers to a role it would appear Obama will have a difficult time carrying out:

    On Friday, Mr. Obama will once again seek to become the nation’s consoler in chief as he travels to a community racked with grief over a mass shooting. The White House did not provide details of Mr. Obama’s plans while he is in Roseburg.

In an interview with Fox News's Bill O'Reilly apparently conducted before the White House's announcement, David Jaques, publisher of the Roseburg Beacon, laid out town leaders' feelings and reactions to Obama's plans and his conduct last week (through the 1:32 mark):

Transcript:

    BILL O'REILLY: (There is a) rumor, President Obama might go to Roseburg, Douglas County. The funerals start Thursday and I guess they will extend into next week. How will the President be treated if he does indeed travel to Roseburg?

    DAVID JAQUES: Well I think the President, first of all, is not welcome in the community. And that isn't just my opinion. We've talked to dozens upon dozens of citizens, some family members of the victims, our elected officials. And you may have a copy of — if you don't, I'd be happy to read from it on the air — that our Douglas County commissioners, along with our Douglas County elected sheriff who is very popular, and our chief of police all came to a consensus language about him not being welcome here to grandstand for political purposes and I'd be happy to read it or share it.

    O'REILLY: Don't read it. But just encapsulate why they don't want President Obama to come.

    JAQUES: Well, the bottom line, Bill, is that a number of people believe that when the President opened his press conference, we still haven't finished counting the bodies on the campus right behind me. We haven't identified whose children were killed and whose were not. And even at that same moment, he was saying, "Some people will accuse me of politicizing this issue." And he goes on to say, "But it should be." So he's not only acknowledged that it could be politicize, but was doing so deliberately.

    So now he wants to come to our community and stand on the corpses of our loved ones to make some kind of political point. And it isn't going to be well received not by our people not by our families and not even by our elected officials.

If a Republican or conservative's presence was unwelcome in similar circumstances, it would already have made front-page headlines and garnered saturation establishment press coverage.

Instead, it's becoming quite clear that the press doesn't want people to know that Dear Leader — who, as Jaques noted, deliberately and proudly politicized the Umpqau Community College massacre at his earliest available moment — is not welcome.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
Source URL: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2015/10/05/not-news-obamas-planned-trip-roseburg-ore-not-welcome-there
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 06, 2015, 12:03:53 pm
News of the "manifesto":
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Oregon shooter rants in writings about having no girlfriend
Associated Press via yahoo news (http://news.yahoo.com/pastors-sermon-violence-not-last-word-054629283.html#)
By JONATHAN J. COOPER and TAMI ABDOLLAH
4 hours ago

     
ROSEBURG, Ore. (AP) — The gunman who killed nine people at an Oregon community college before taking his own life ranted in writings he left behind about not having a girlfriend and thinking everyone else was crazy, a law enforcement official said Monday.

The official also said the mother of 26-year-old gunman Christopher Harper-Mercer has told investigators he was struggling with some mental health issues. The official is familiar with the investigation but wasn't authorized to speak publicly because it is ongoing.

Harper-Mercer complained in the writings about not having a girlfriend, and he seemed to feel like he was very rational while others around him were not, the official said.

He wrote something to the effect of: "Other people think I'm crazy, but I'm not. I'm the sane one," the official said. The writings recovered at the shooting scene were a couple of pages long.

Local pastor Randy Scroggins has said his 18-year-old daughter, who survived the shooting, told him the gunman gave an envelope to another student and instructed him to give it to police. The envelope contained a flash drive, Scroggins said.

Also Monday, some faculty, staff and students returned to the campus for the first time since the shooting, while President Barack Obama announced he will travel to Oregon this week to visit privately with victims' families.

A memorial was growing on the driveway leading to Snyder Hall, where Harper-Mercer opened fire. Besides those who died, nine people were wounded. Harper-Mercer killed himself after a shootout with police.

"It was hard not to focus on Snyder Hall," student Joel Mitchell said. "When we got back, I think a lot of people were probably ... looking at it, checking it out, seeing what it looked like."

A group of eight held hands and bowed their heads in prayer in front of the building. Elsewhere, clusters of people chatted at picnic tables or near buildings.

In a courtyard near the center of campus, a therapy dog sat on a blanket with its handler. A woman, crouched down, wiped away a tear.

At least one student injured in the shooting was among those who returned Monday, college President Rita Cavin said. She did not identify the student.

Reporters were barred from campus but taken on a brief tour. School officials designated an outdoor amphitheater as a makeshift memorial, open only to staff and students for now. Flowers and balloons were positioned on tables, and markers were available for people to write messages on a banner that says, "UCC Strong."

"I needed to be here," student Madysen Sanchez said. "I needed to come and see my friends, make sure they're OK."

Chaplains who had been on campus said they were both helping with and participating in the healing process.

"I'm going through the grieving process myself because this has touched everyone in the community," chaplain Russell Wilson said. "If you don't know someone that goes here, you know someone that knows someone."

Meanwhile, Obama said he will visit Roseburg on Friday as he opens a four-day trip to the West Coast. No additional details about his visit were immediately available.

Obama has renewed his call for stricter gun laws following the shooting and has expressed exasperation at the frequency of mass shootings in the U.S.
We'll see whether Roseburg welcomes Pres. Zero.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 12:33:03 pm

DAVID JAQUES: Well I think the President, first of all, is not welcome in the community. And that isn't just my opinion. We've talked to dozens upon dozens of citizens, some family members of the victims, our elected officials. And you may have a copy of — if you don't, I'd be happy to read from it on the air — that our Douglas County commissioners, along with our Douglas County elected sheriff who is very popular, and our chief of police all came to a consensus language about him not being welcome here to grandstand for political purposes and I'd be happy to read it or share it.

People know what kind of man Obama is. He's a user. He uses people as props. And it gets pretty icky when those people are not even alive to speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 06, 2015, 01:12:26 pm
October 6, 2015
Was the Oregon mass shooting an Islamist attempt to assassinate Alek Skarlatos?
By Matthew Vadum
American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/was_the_oregon_mass_shooting_an_islamist_attempt_to_assassinate_alek_skarlatos.html#ixzz3nnEByqZK)

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Was last week's massacre at Umpqua Community College in Oregon a failed attempt to assassinate a Christian American hero for thwarting a Muslim terrorist train attack this summer in France?

There may simply be a series of unlikely coincidences at play, or there may be circumstantial evidence suggesting that anti-jihadist hero Alek Skarlatos was an intended target of Chris Harper-Mercer, who put several Christians to death in an Umpqua classroom on Thursday, Oct. 1 for being Christian.

Read on and decide for yourself if Harper-Mercer may have wanted to make an example of Skarlatos for the world to see.

And although no evidence revealed thus far directly indicates Harper-Mercer was influenced by Islamic State, plenty of evidence suggests the shooter was acting in furtherance of the Islamic goal of global jihad.  Maybe the massacre was intended as a kind of jihadist payback hit.

Islamic State (a.k.a. ISIS, ISIL, and Daesh) apparently claimed responsibility on Twitter for the killings Harper-Mercer carried out at Umpqua.  The tweet states, "Again #Oregon #USA #WashingtonDC #IslamicState #ISIS #USA[,]" and displays a graphic with the words “Slay Americans” in front of an image of a man in the process of being beheaded.

In August the very high-profile Skarlatos, a devout Christian, helped to disarm Ayoub El-Khazzani, a Moroccan with ties to radical Islam, on a high-speed train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris.  The Islamist was armed with a Kalashnikov rifle, a Luger pistol, and a box cutter.  Skarlatos and his two American friends traveling with him received France's highest honor, the Legion d'Honneur, from French President François Hollande.  Last month they were feted at the White House and the Pentagon.  Skarlatos received the U.S. Army's Soldier's Medal.

Skarlatos has publicly acknowledged that he is currently a student at Umpqua, near Roseburg, Ore., and that he was supposed to be attending classes there on Thursday when Harper-Mercer went on a bloody rampage.

More specifically, Skarlatos said he was supposed to be present that day in Snyder Hall, the same building where Harper-Mercer carried out his massacre...
More at link
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 06, 2015, 01:16:47 pm
"I know the joy of fishes in the river through my own joy, as I go walking along the same river."

And you know that the media is lying to you about indeterminable claims because they blatantly lie about determinable claims...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Bigun on October 06, 2015, 01:17:02 pm
October 6, 2015
Was the Oregon mass shooting an Islamist attempt to assassinate Alek Skarlatos?
By Matthew Vadum
American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/was_the_oregon_mass_shooting_an_islamist_attempt_to_assassinate_alek_skarlatos.html#ixzz3nnEByqZK)
More at link

Well that sure puts some new light on the matter doesn't it!
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 06, 2015, 01:23:53 pm
October 6, 2015
Was the Oregon mass shooting an Islamist attempt to assassinate Alek Skarlatos?
By Matthew Vadum
American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/was_the_oregon_mass_shooting_an_islamist_attempt_to_assassinate_alek_skarlatos.html#ixzz3nnEByqZK)
More at link

I've heard this before, what I read before was that he no longer attended the school.  To me, it's a great coincidence, isn't it? 

I know this, every story I've seen says something different and contradictory to other stories concerning this shooting.  I'm afraid we'll never know the actual truth.

This seems to be the new tactic, tell one hundred different versions so that the real truth gets muddied up and no one knows or cares about the truth anymore.  I heard the shooter's mother had bragged online about her collection of guns, including extremely expensive automatic guns. 

Lots of questions, not very many answers.

 

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 06, 2015, 01:27:03 pm
This seems to be the new tactic, tell one hundred different versions so that the real truth gets muddied up and no one knows or cares about the truth anymore.

Wait till they won't even release the shooter's name 'to avoid publicity'...

You won't be able to find out anything and will only have the media account to serve as 'truth'...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 06, 2015, 01:33:34 pm
DAVID JAQUES: Well I think the President, first of all, is not welcome in the community. And that isn't just my opinion. We've talked to dozens upon dozens of citizens, some family members of the victims, our elected officials. And you may have a copy of — if you don't, I'd be happy to read from it on the air — that our Douglas County commissioners, along with our Douglas County elected sheriff who is very popular, and our chief of police all came to a consensus language about him not being welcome here to grandstand for political purposes and I'd be happy to read it or share it.

People know what kind of man Obama is. He's a user. He uses people as props. And it gets pretty icky when those people are not even alive to speak for themselves.

Yes, classic narcissism.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 01:34:30 pm
I've heard this before, what I read before was that he no longer attended the school.  To me, it's a great coincidence, isn't it? 

I know this, every story I've seen says something different and contradictory to other stories concerning this shooting.  I'm afraid we'll never know the actual truth.

This seems to be the new tactic, tell one hundred different versions so that the real truth gets muddied up and no one knows or cares about the truth anymore.  I heard the shooter's mother had bragged online about her collection of guns, including extremely expensive automatic guns. 

Lots of questions, not very many answers.

 

The first BIG tip-off was the complete blackout for about 6 hours immediately following the massacre.  Why?

To scrub the perp's bio on social media and to erase all printed or written connections to Islam, that's why.    :whistle:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: Sanguine on October 06, 2015, 01:35:18 pm
I've heard this before, what I read before was that he no longer attended the school.  To me, it's a great coincidence, isn't it? 

I know this, every story I've seen says something different and contradictory to other stories concerning this shooting.  I'm afraid we'll never know the actual truth.

This seems to be the new tactic, tell one hundred different versions so that the real truth gets muddied up and no one knows or cares about the truth anymore.  I heard the shooter's mother had bragged online about her collection of guns, including extremely expensive automatic guns. 

Lots of questions, not very many answers.


That created confusion may be somewhat deliberate.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 01:47:08 pm
Well that sure puts some new light on the matter doesn't it!

Must read chilling anatomy of the possible, even probable, connections in this sad and bizarre case. Gave me goosebumps.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 06, 2015, 01:47:33 pm
The first BIG tip-off was the complete blackout for about 6 hours immediately following the massacre.  Why?

To scrub the perp's bio on social media and to erase all printed or written connections to Islam, that's why.    :whistle:

I would be surprised if alternative media news outlets like Breitbart have not already delegated responsibility to one or more members of their staff to instantly respond to news events by monitoring and recording relevant social media posts that might otherwise, ummm... disappear in the wake of such an occurrence. 

We have by now witnessed numerous examples of the "memory hole" that George Orwell warned about. With the advent of ubiquitous social media and instant access to it via multiple, always-on devices, each of us has the ability to prevent government or any other actor from erasing the past without recourse or hope of recovery.   
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 01:53:18 pm
I would be surprised if alternative media news outlets like Breitbart have not already delegated responsibility to one or more members of their staff to instantly respond to news events by monitoring and recording relevant social media posts that might otherwise, ummm... disappear in the wake of such an occurrence. 

We have by now witnessed numerous examples of the "memory hole" that George Orwell warned about. With the advent of ubiquitous social media and instant access to it via multiple, always-on devices, each of us has the ability to prevent government or any other actor from erasing the past without recourse or hope of recovery.

I don't understand.  Sorry.

There are over a BILLION Facebook and Twitter users around the world.   Even deceased people still have their profiles up...until a family member notifies said FB or Twitter to delete them.

How would Breitbart, for example, have the ability to 'guard' or 'watch' to see what's deleted....unless there's a software program to monitor any edit or takedown of any account? 
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 01:54:46 pm

Interesting point about Orwell. His nightmare could not have foreseen the Internet.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 06, 2015, 02:11:40 pm
I don't understand.  Sorry.

There are over a BILLION Facebook and Twitter users around the world.   Even deceased people still have their profiles up...until a family member notifies said FB or Twitter to delete them.

How would Breitbart, for example, have the ability to 'guard' or 'watch' to see what's deleted....unless there's a software program to monitor any edit or takedown of any account?

For example, when a shooting occurs, the instant the shooter's name and location becomes known, a social media monitor would pull up all references in Facebook, Twitter, etc. and save them in their existing form (print screen/copy & paste), so that any future attempts to alter or amend them would be obvious.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 02:16:46 pm
For example, when a shooting occurs, the instant the shooter's name and location becomes known, a social media monitor would pull up all references in Facebook, Twitter, etc. and save them in their existing form (print screen/copy & paste), so that any future attempts to alter or amend them would be obvious.

But I'm sure the government's access to technology FAR exceeds that which is available to the 'public'.

For SIX HOURS, the government blacked out all information....even to the point of confiscating everybody's cell phone that was in that building that morning.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 06, 2015, 02:18:57 pm
But I'm sure the government's access to technology FAR exceeds that which is available to the 'public'.

For SIX HOURS, the government blacked out all information....even to the point of confiscating everybody's cell phone that was in that building that morning.

I hadn't heard about that! 

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 02:21:35 pm
I hadn't heard about that!

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3nd5vd/oregon_shooting_students_cell_phones_were/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3nd5vd/oregon_shooting_students_cell_phones_were/)
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: alicewonders on October 06, 2015, 02:25:14 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3nd5vd/oregon_shooting_students_cell_phones_were/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3nd5vd/oregon_shooting_students_cell_phones_were/)

That was interesting, thanks for the link!

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 06, 2015, 02:32:04 pm
But I'm sure the government's access to technology FAR exceeds that which is available to the 'public'.

For SIX HOURS, the government blacked out all information....even to the point of confiscating everybody's cell phone that was in that building that morning.

I hadn't heard about that either.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 02:43:45 pm
But I'm sure the government's access to technology FAR exceeds that which is available to the 'public'.

For SIX HOURS, the government blacked out all information....even to the point of confiscating everybody's cell phone that was in that building that morning.

OK, assuming that's correct, cell phones taken from students. But you can't erase memory, or what first responders saw. Especially town officials--sheriff, deputy sheriffs, watch commanders, etc. Eventually we will learn more.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 06, 2015, 02:49:54 pm
OK, assuming that's correct, cell phones taken from students. But you can't erase memory, or what first responders saw. Especially town officials--sheriff, deputy sheriffs, watch commanders, etc. Eventually we will learn more.

Of course you can. Well - not erase it, but modify it. Why you think prosecutors HATE eye witness testimony? You can have two people standing in the same place, watching the same event and their reports will be substantially different. First responders are, in many ways, even less reliable eye witnesses as they are focussed on the problem at hand and nothing else.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 06, 2015, 02:58:12 pm
For SIX HOURS, the government blacked out all information....even to the point of confiscating everybody's cell phone that was in that building that morning.

Just like they confiscated the BBC film crew's video of the scene where Flanagan allegedly committed suicide because it was 'evidence'... that subsequently never saw the light of day.

They did a better job of controlling the information this time...  can't have any unauthorized video floating around...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 03:11:22 pm
Of course you can. Well - not erase it, but modify it. Why you think prosecutors HATE eye witness testimony? You can have two people standing in the same place, watching the same event and their reports will be substantially different. First responders are, in many ways, even less reliable eye witnesses as they are focussed on the problem at hand and nothing else.

Fair point. But, there's more. It appears town officials may be rejecting Obama's wish to visit the town. It seems they're not interested in being used for his political purposes. If true it sounds like police officials, who know what happened first hand on the ground, are interested in truth. I only hope so.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 03:24:35 pm
Just like they confiscated the BBC film crew's video of the scene where Flanagan allegedly committed suicide because it was 'evidence'... that subsequently never saw the light of day.

They did a better job of controlling the information this time...  can't have any unauthorized video floating around...

Well, as AbaraXas said, "let's be fair" here a bit.

I can understand why 'authorities' would want to 'protect' victims' families from seeing gruesome bloody headshots or God forbid, video of somebody in the act of being killed (after saying "Christian").

So in a way, I understand the order.

But, not one of the students has come forth on even cable news to give any statements.  That's weird and highly unusual, IMO.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: EC on October 06, 2015, 03:26:33 pm
Fair point. But, there's more. It appears town officials may be rejecting Obama's wish to visit the town. It seems they're not interested in being used for his political purposes. If true it sounds like police officials, who know what happened first hand on the ground, are interested in truth. I only hope so.

Saw that, and it was both pleasing and right. Let him go to Chicago, they can have a suitable tally of the dead by Friday.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 06, 2015, 03:32:45 pm
Well, as AbaraXas said, "let's be fair" here a bit.

And that is what lets the government and media control the narrative...

Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: aligncare on October 06, 2015, 03:38:36 pm
And that is what lets the government and media control the narrative...

That's one thing I got to give you, Dan. You stay on point. And for that I salute you.  :patriot:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 03:41:03 pm
That was interesting, thanks for the link!

 :beer:
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 06, 2015, 03:41:40 pm
That's one thing I got to give you, Dan. You stay on point. And for that I salute you.  :patriot:

That's because the point is easily lost when so many responses are merely distractions...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 06, 2015, 04:07:28 pm
The first BIG tip-off was the complete blackout for about 6 hours immediately following the massacre.  Why?

To scrub the perp's bio on social media and to erase all printed or written connections to Islam, that's why.    :whistle:
More on that here: The Curious Case of Oregon Shooter Chris Harper-Mercer – A Social Media Profile Shaped, Modified and Deleted… (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/02/the-curious-case-of-oregon-shooter-chris-harper-mercer-a-social-media-profile-shaped-modified-and-deleted/) from the Conservative Tree House site.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: GourmetDan on October 06, 2015, 04:14:25 pm
More on that here: The Curious Case of Oregon Shooter Chris Harper-Mercer – A Social Media Profile Shaped, Modified and Deleted… (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/02/the-curious-case-of-oregon-shooter-chris-harper-mercer-a-social-media-profile-shaped-modified-and-deleted/) from the Conservative Tree House site.
Again... when the media and government are obviously manipulating the narrative...

You should assume that other parts of the narrative that cannot be so easily identified are also being manipulated...


Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 04:25:01 pm
Again... when the media and government are obviously manipulating the narrative...

You should assume that other parts of the narrative that cannot be so easily identified are also being manipulated...

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Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: DCPatriot on October 06, 2015, 04:31:54 pm
More on that here: The Curious Case of Oregon Shooter Chris Harper-Mercer – A Social Media Profile Shaped, Modified and Deleted… (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/02/the-curious-case-of-oregon-shooter-chris-harper-mercer-a-social-media-profile-shaped-modified-and-deleted/) from the Conservative Tree House site.

IIRC, I posted that entire piece the other day....maybe yesterday.   (Hey, I'm old!)

At least it was part1...before the amended claim regarding CNN's complicity.
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: flowers on October 07, 2015, 08:53:31 pm
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/10/07/father-of-oregon-shooting-victim-obama-is-visiting-for-his-gun-control-agenda-not-for-us-n2062550?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=

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Tomorrow President Obama is scheduled to visit Rosenburg, Oregon, where 10 people were killed last week at Umpqua Community College by a deranged killer who happened to use a gun to carry out his crimes.

We've already reported on the repulsed reaction from the community as people who live there continue to reject Obama's visit. Now Stacy Boylan, the father of shooting victim Ana Boylan, is directly speaking out against Obama's visit and has no interest in putting up with his exploitation of the tragedy for political purposes.

"I do believe it was Rahm Emanuel who said 'Never let a good tragedy go to waste,' and I really feel that his [Obama] visit here is to completely to support his gun control agenda. I can't understand why he wouldn't make a mention of the families and the victims. I mean, he did say that it was a tragic incident and I do thank him for lowering the flags but he made it all about gun control. He was very clear about that and we saw this in Sandy Hook and now we're seeing it again and I just question his motives," Boylan said. "I've spoken to my family and for myself and for my family, my daughter and son, on principle I find that we are in disagreement with his policies on gun control and therefore we will not be attending the visit."

"My position on this is that gun free zones are an issue, they're a target for crazy
Title: Re: Fox is reporting another possible mass shooting
Post by: mountaineer on October 07, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
If I were a resident of Roseburg, let alone a family member of a shooting victim, my response to that idiot currently occupying the White House would be quite, umm, explicit.