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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on March 07, 2019, 12:31:08 am
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This certainly squashes my hope for him shutting down the border and declaring a moratorium on immigration. A North American Union seems more and more like a reality as time goes on.
Trump calls for more immigration
President Trump said Wednesday he wants more immigration because U.S. companies need more workers.
Trump, who often is viewed as hostile to immigrants, explained that his emphasis on ending illegal immigration does not mean he wants people to stop coming into the U.S. altogether, saying immigrants are welcome to enter the country legally.
“We want to have a very strong border, but we want to have a lot of people coming in,†Trump said during a White House meeting with more than 20 CEOs and officials from state and local governments. “A lot of people don’t understand that. They think we’re shutting it out. We’re not shutting it out. We want people to come in, but they have to come in through a process.â€
The president highlighted the low unemployment rate, which he said currently sits at around 3.6 percent.
“We’re going to let a lot of people come in because we need workers,†Trump said on Wednesday afternoon “We have to have workers.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-more-immigration (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-more-immigration)
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This certainly squashes my hope for him shutting down the border and declaring a moratorium on immigration. A North American Union seems more and more like a reality as time goes on.
Trump calls for more immigration
President Trump said Wednesday he wants more immigration because U.S. companies need more workers.
Trump, who often is viewed as hostile to immigrants, explained that his emphasis on ending illegal immigration does not mean he wants people to stop coming into the U.S. altogether, saying immigrants are welcome to enter the country legally.
“We want to have a very strong border, but we want to have a lot of people coming in,†Trump said during a White House meeting with more than 20 CEOs and officials from state and local governments. “A lot of people don’t understand that. They think we’re shutting it out. We’re not shutting it out. We want people to come in, but they have to come in through a process.â€
The president highlighted the low unemployment rate, which he said currently sits at around 3.6 percent.
“We’re going to let a lot of people come in because we need workers,†Trump said on Wednesday afternoon “We have to have workers.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-more-immigration (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-more-immigration)
He's right a lot of people were not paying attention. He called for touchback amnesty. He was supposedly going to send them back to their countries and bring them back in through the big beautiful door in the wall.
I would ask don't you think Mr. President that enough have come with the open borders since you were elected? If they government wants to bring people in so that companies have workers they need to shut down the social programs that Americans have to pay for. If they want to supply health insurance, food stamps, cash assistance, housing and phones to illegal immigrants the companies that want cheap labor should provide it. Not me.
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Perfect. I've said Trump should do this for a while now. Since the kneejerk autonomic reaction of Democrats/NeverTrumps is to oppose anything and everything that Trump is for, the best thing Trump could do is to come out 'in favor' of everything the Democrats claim to be for.
Trump should declare that one of the major goals of his administration is to have free and open borders (or no border at all), free tuition for all, and free medicare coverage for everyone on Earth.
By declaring himself in favor of every Democrat proposal, Trump will throw them into chaos. Since the 'resist' Party only exists to resist everything Trump, they will be in a state of confusion, forced to oppose their own policies.
I hope to see Trump doing more and more of this. It is a perfect strategy.
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Perfect. I've said Trump should do this for a while now. Since the kneejerk autonomic reaction of Democrats/NeverTrumps is to oppose anything and everything that Trump is for, the best thing Trump could do is to come out 'in favor' of everything the Democrats claim to be for.
Trump should declare that one of the major goals of his administration is to have free and open borders (or no border at all), free tuition for all, and free medicare coverage for everyone on Earth.
By declaring himself in favor of every Democrat proposal, Trump will throw them into chaos. Since the 'resist' Party only exists to resist everything Trump, they will be in a state of confusion, forced to oppose their own policies.
I hope to see Trump doing more and more of this. It is a perfect strategy.
Well, glad you see it as a strategy. Signing a bill that allows states to opt out of a barrier, extending TPs amnesty and no border wall and wanting more immigration is not what I'd consider a strategy. I'd say it's giving away the sovereignty of our country.
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Well, glad you see it as a strategy. Signing a bill that allows states to opt out of a barrier, extending TPs amnesty and no border wall and wanting more immigration is not what I'd consider a strategy. I'd say it's giving away the sovereignty of our country.
Maybe he need cheap labor.
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This thread title is not correct. Why don't people understand the difference between LEGAL IMMIGRATION...and the ILLEGAL INVADERS coming into our country? This thread title is misleading...on purpose?
LEGAL IMMIGRATION .
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This certainly squashes my hope for him shutting down the border and declaring a moratorium on immigration. A North American Union seems more and more like a reality as time goes on.
Trump calls for more immigration
President Trump said Wednesday he wants more immigration because U.S. companies need more workers.
Trump, who often is viewed as hostile to immigrants, explained that his emphasis on ending illegal immigration does not mean he wants people to stop coming into the U.S. altogether, saying immigrants are welcome to enter the country legally.
“We want to have a very strong border, but we want to have a lot of people coming in,†Trump said during a White House meeting with more than 20 CEOs and officials from state and local governments. “A lot of people don’t understand that. They think we’re shutting it out. We’re not shutting it out. We want people to come in, but they have to come in through a process.â€
The president highlighted the low unemployment rate, which he said currently sits at around 3.6 percent.
“We’re going to let a lot of people come in because we need workers,†Trump said on Wednesday afternoon “We have to have workers.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-more-immigration (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-more-immigration)
What? For 3 years and every rally, my president TRUMP has said he is for LEGAL IMMIGRATION. LEGAL. This thread title and article is BOGUS and deceptive. LEGAL, LEGAL, LEGAL. SMH. None of you know that?
Lying, half truth article...only at the end will they say what is the truth. President never said stopping ALL LEGAL IMMIGRATION...only closing border for ILLEGAL INVADERS CRASHING OUR OLD FENCES...that is why we need, repaired and NEW BARRIER'S. People coming legally by merit, documents, vetted. Reading peoples lies is my Achilles heel.
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Trump appeared to make a special effort to emphasize his desire for new, but legal, immigrants.
“We’re going to have a lot of people coming into the country. We want a lot of people coming in, and we need it,†he said.
Trump also said he spoke with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who said several Japanese companies are planning to come to the U.S., locating in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, South Carolina, and North Carolina.
“I was with Prime Minister Abe the other day, and he said ... that Japan’s going to be sending about seven — at least seven more big factories into this country,†Trump said.
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This thread title is not correct. Why don't people understand the difference between LEGAL IMMIGRATION...and the ILLEGAL INVADERS coming into our country? This thread title is misleading...on purpose?
LEGAL IMMIGRATION .
It doesn't say illegal. Protest much! We have enough cheap labor. Companies should pay for the social benefits that cheap labor comes here for.
Like billionaire Trump and his hotels. If those workers require benefits for their families because they don't make enough it should be Trump that pays it. Not the citizens of America.
You were talking about Socialism. What Trump is advocating is socialism.
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It doesn't say illegal. Protest much! We have enough cheap labor. Companies should pay for the social benefits that cheap labor comes here for.
Like billionaire Trump and his hotels. If those workers require benefits for their families because they don't make enough it should be Trump that pays it. Not the citizens of America.
You were talking about Socialism. What Trump is advocating is socialism.
Indeed. They can try to implement e-verify all they want, it will NOT work. John Doe the contractor can still hire illegals, who's to stop him? Who is going to check the self-employed contractor who hires illegals and pays them under the table? It is done all the time. Fore example; Private restaurants hire illegal cooks and dishwashers. Private beauty salons hire illegal nail tech and hair stylists, etc. Who is going to check on them? No one. The only way would be for citizens such as you and I suspecting illegals are working and calling and reporting them to ICE. Even at that ICE is much to busy to come out and investigate small businesses with just a couple of illegals here and there. So, small private businesses hire cheap labor, and don't pay taxes. The illegals reap the benefits and don't pay taxes either. It happens all the time.
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Indeed. They can try to implement e-verify all they want, it will NOT work. John Doe the contractor can still hire illegals, who's to stop him? Who is going to check the self-employed contractor who hires illegals and pays them under the table? It is done all the time. Fore example; Private restaurants hire illegal cooks and dishwashers. Private beauty salons hire illegal nail tech and hair stylists, etc. Who is going to check on them? No one. The only way would be for citizens such as you and I suspecting illegals are working and calling and reporting them to ICE. Even at that ICE is much to busy to come out and investigate small businesses with just a couple of illegals here and there. So, small private businesses hire cheap labor, and don't pay taxes. The illegals reap the benefits and don't pay taxes either. It happens all the time.
Its a scam on Americans. When Trump was campaigning it was well known that illegal immigrants were working on the DC Trump building. It was also known and continues to leak that they are working in his golf courses and hotels. You can bet that Americans are picking up the tab for health and other social needs.
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Yea, @Chosen Daughter but he had no choice, he was 'running a business'.
I'd bet he wrote off that weekend in LA w Stormy as a business expense.
Some of us NT'ers empathize with her.
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Its a scam on Americans. When Trump was campaigning it was well known that illegal immigrants were working on the DC Trump building. It was also known and continues to leak that they are working in his golf courses and hotels. You can bet that Americans are picking up the tab for health and other social needs.
Even the group 'Numbers USA' has been pushing e-verify for years. E-verify only keeps the 'honest' people honest. It's really IMHO quite futile in a lot of cases.
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Sharpen up the teeth in EVerify should have been pursued also the last two years when we had control of both houses.
I've indicated all along, remove the incentive for them to come and that solves almost half your problem immediately.
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This thread title is not correct. Why don't people understand the difference between LEGAL IMMIGRATION...and the ILLEGAL INVADERS coming into our country? This thread title is misleading...on purpose?
LEGAL IMMIGRATION .
I am delighted to agree with you @LegalAmerican . It says LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Just because you expand legal immigration doesn't mean you have to accept inferior people or inferior workers.
According to the Administration, and everybody on TV, the economy is rocking and jobs are being created while unemployment is dropping. Correct me if I'm wrong. When legal business in the US can't keep up with demand because it doesn't have enough legal workers it has two legal choices...lose sales and cede them to foreign business, or invest in tech that replaces workers. Neither solution benefits our country IMO.
Sen Cruz proposed a similar solution. Supplant illegal immigration with qualified legal workers and reduce the vacuum for illegal workers.
I am very excited to hear the President say this. happy77
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I am delighted to agree with you @LegalAmerican . It says LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Just because you expand legal immigration doesn't mean you have to accept inferior people or inferior workers.
According to the Administration, and everybody on TV, the economy is rocking and jobs are being created while unemployment is dropping. Correct me if I'm wrong. When legal business in the US can't keep up with demand because it doesn't have enough legal workers it has two legal choices...lose sales and cede them to foreign business, or invest in tech that replaces workers. Neither solution benefits our country IMO.
Sen Cruz proposed a similar solution. Supplant illegal immigration with qualified legal workers and reduce the vacuum for illegal workers.
I am very excited to hear the President say this. happy77
Legal vs. illegal. I get it. That's not stopping the hundreds of thousands pouring over our borders and once we lose our country, it's really not going to matter at that point. Angela Merkel thought it was a lovely idea as well.
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Sharpen up the teeth in EVerify should have been pursued also the last two years when we had control of both houses.
I've indicated all along, remove the incentive for them to come and that solves almost half your problem immediately.
Ok. Get congress DEMON-RATS and RINO'S to vote for that. Do you see the problem? It is NOT ABOUT NEEDING IDEAS....IT IS THE RESIST, OBSTRUCT PARTY.....that won't change these horrible laws, that work against America and us citizens. Too many hispanic's, muslims, blacks, turd world country people in CONGRESS now. LA RAZA JUDGES, S.C. SOTOMAYER..also a member of La Raza. 9th circuit court, blocking every move president TRUMP makes, to help America & its citizens. In fact, under Obama tax payers funded, paid for LA RAZA programs. Why? FUNDING THE ENEMY.
GET CONGRESS..PELOSI, SCHUMER, AOC, CUMMINGS, WARREN, LEE, HANK JOHNSON, MAD MAXINE TO VOTE FOR THAT.
There are more, just giving you an example. Mitt Romney..the new traitor John McCain. Collins, Murkowski..Flake etc.
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Crap, @LegalAmerican 'EVerify' is already coded it would take a simple 'EO' to actually enforce it, next, go after VISA overstays by upgrading Customs w/Biometric Passports (not to be confused w/US Citizens).
2 important steps could possibly eliminate the need for your $25B boondoggle on the Southern Border and much cheaper.
The border has been there for 165 years and never been an Emergency until Trump was elected. I've offered you what I think are logical solutions to an increasingly screwed up situation.
*Thanks for taking me off ignore I've missed our occasional Tango.
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Ok. Get congress DEMON-RATS and RINO'S to vote for that. Do you see the problem? It is NOT ABOUT NEEDING IDEAS....IT IS THE RESIST, OBSTRUCT PARTY.....that won't change these horrible laws, that work against America and us citizens. Too many hispanic's, muslims, blacks, turd world country people in CONGRESS now. LA RAZA JUDGES, S.C. SOTOMAYER..also a member of La Raza. 9th circuit court, blocking every move president TRUMP makes, to help America & its citizens. In fact, under Obama tax payers funded, paid for LA RAZA programs. Why? FUNDING THE ENEMY.
GET CONGRESS..PELOSI, SCHUMER, AOC, CUMMINGS, WARREN, LEE, HANK JOHNSON, MAD MAXINE TO VOTE FOR THAT.
There are more, just giving you an example. Mitt Romney..the new traitor John McCain. Collins, Murkowski..Flake etc.
IMHO, it's too late to resolve the problems of this country at the ballot box. WE the People ARE responsible for electing all the RINO's and Democrats. LaRaza is an entity that people fail to acknowledge. Julian Castro is now running for President. His mother was instrumental in the start of LaRaza. Yet, I am told that he is insignificant and poses no threat. America has voted for people who talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, because the fail to do a little research. They continue to elect people who are not truly interested in adhering to the Constitution or to the principles upon which this country was founded. Those people in government are very small in number.
When McCain ran against Bammy ... I voted for neither as I knew that there was little difference. One would just destruct our country at a slower pace than the other. One was a RINO. One was a liberal. America obviously didn't learn as they continued to vote for Congressmen in the same way. Here we sit.
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How could you not vote for John McCain @libertybele :shrug:
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Legal vs. illegal. I get it. That's not stopping the hundreds of thousands pouring over our borders and once we lose our country, it's really not going to matter at that point. Angela Merkel thought it was a lovely idea as well.
If you think I believe we should accept Muslim terrorist as immigrants let me dissuade of that notion right now. I only applaud immigration by qualified candidates and think it might be a good idea to fill the job vacuum with legal workers instead of illegal border jumpers. It is my belief that if illegal workers could not find employment here...that would be good.
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Crap, @LegalAmerican 'EVerify' is already coded it would take a simple 'EO' to actually enforce it, next, go after VISA overstays by upgrading Customs w/Biometric Passports (not to be confused w/US Citizens).
2 important steps could possibly eliminate the need for your $25B boondoggle on the Southern Border and much cheaper.
The border has been there for 165 years and never been an Emergency until Trump was elected. I've offered you what I think are logical solutions to an increasingly screwed up situation.
*Thanks for taking me off ignore I've missed our occasional Tango.
Yes the border has been here. There's been a crisis at the border for quite some time. The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was voted on and passed by BOTH parties. It has never been fully funded. The demise of that funding occurred during the Bammy administration. Trump brought focus to the crisis at the border. He demanded accountability and stats on illegal immigration and for that I have to give him credit. Now that Trump has made a push for the border (finally) it's become an issue and yes, an increasingly screwed up situation, that is destroying our country rapidly.
This Congress, and the past Congress, led by Ryan and McConnell have FAILED miserably. They had every opportunity with their majority to resolve this issue. By waiting till the 11th hours, Trump's leadership FAILED on this issue as well. (I know, here come the stones).
Interesting that some of the very same people who voted FOR the Fence in 2006 are now opposed to further funding.
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How could you not vote for John McCain @libertybele :shrug:
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She was obviously right. I saw them too.
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@libertybele I regret to inform you that it was my TX Sen. Kay Bailey (whom Cruz replaced) that put the golden stake into the Secure Fence Act funding, striped what little was funded for Education.
Evil Woman and the guy she replaced Bob Krueger, hometown boy, was much worse.
I just cannot possibly believe at this point that anyone in DC, including the Administration, is serious about Immigration Reform, of any kind, whether it be legal or illegal and that has been going on way before Trump got there, he just shamelessly promoted it as a Campaign issue and is getting his butt bit.
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If you think I believe we should accept Muslim terrorist as immigrants let me dissuade of that notion right now. I only applaud immigration by qualified candidates and think it might be a good idea to fill the job vacuum with legal workers instead of illegal border jumpers. It is my belief that if illegal workers could not find employment here...that would be good.
IMHO, there was a point in time that, that scenario might have worked. 'They' are overwhelmed at the border and the illegal invasion is spiraling out of control; meaning they can't keep up with apprehensions, deportations, tracking and asylum. So, who knows how many Muslim terrorists are making it through? I have lived in this area for nearly 30 years. I went to the park with my grandson 3 weeks ago and I was absolutely taken by surprise; at least a dozen of the picnic areas were occupied with families of those of Arab descent. Citizens? Who knows?? I visit this park frequently and things have changed very quickly and very dramatically. Perhaps just visiting? Somehow I doubt it. I got the feeling that they wanted their presence very known. I've began to notice a few Arab businesses popping up. I did a google search for Mosques in the area ... we have several. So, the point I am making, unless we get our borders closed ... the "qualified" legal people that you are talking about I'm not sure is happening, but the increase in the Muslim population is well underway. No, not saying they are terrorists ... but the ties and connections are possibilities. No?
Closing the border completely and declaring a moratorium on ALL migration into this country is our only hope. Without a complete barrier, that is going to be extremely difficult. IF (and I am very doubtful) we are able to get things under control, limited LEGAL immigration would be in order. It is absolutely crucial and imperative that we take care of the rapidly increasing ILLEGAL invasion first. If we don't we lose our country. We will be another Germany...Merkel needed workers as well. It sure as heck didn't work out for her.
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@libertybele I regret to inform you that it was my TX Sen. Kay Bailey (whom Cruz replaced) that put the golden stake into the Secure Fence Act funding, striped what little was funded for Education.
Evil Woman and the guy she replaced Bob Krueger, hometown boy, was much worse.
I just cannot possibly believe at this point that anyone in DC, including the Administration, is serious about Immigration Reform, of any kind, whether it be legal or illegal and that has been going on way before Trump got there, he just shamelessly promoted it as a Campaign issue and is getting his butt bit.
It sure seems that way. We are fast approaching a reality check.
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Closing the border completely and declaring a moratorium on ALL migration into this country is our only hope.
Good luck with that. I'm still going to work tomorrow in case all is not lost.
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Are you an Immigration Lawyer @Once-Ler not that it makes any difference cause you lost me at Lawyer, but it would clear up a few misconceptions.
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President Trump said Wednesday he wants more immigration because U.S. companies need more workers.
What he really means that they need more Cheap Workers. How often have we heard of workers that have been tasked with training their H-1B Cheap replacement workers before they are laid off. There is Not a shortage of workers. There is a shortage of workers that will lower themselves to working for Slave Wages.
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The amount of LEGAL immigration is already too high. The border too porous, the system too lax on how we process illegals, and the stinging laws too few on employers that hire illegals.
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This is crazy talk. We don't need more immigration.
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What he really means that they need more Cheap Workers. How often have we heard of workers that have been tasked with training their H-1B Cheap replacement workers before they are laid off. There is Not a shortage of workers. There is a shortage of workers that will lower themselves to working for Slave Wages.
Why I cannot support Trump. Its all been a sham on American workers, and citizens. That we must give welfare to corporations so that they can hire cheap labor over Americans. I can see filling farm labor (produce) with H1-b labor. But they continue to raise the number for the H1,2 B programs rapidly, and they only serve to undermine American workers. They were meant to supply labor only for the jobs which Americans could not fill. Grossly corrupted program.
These companies prefer to hire foreign because the taxpayer picks up the tab for social benefits. It is corporate welfare plain and simple. So we don't stop illegal immigration and then we call for more legal immigration on top of it. Raise HB levels and expect Americans to pay what corporations refuse to pay for their workers.
For one thing the government should require all people offered health insurance through the employer to take it. Right now the employer allows people to suck off the state even though they are provided insurance through the company. The state pays everything so why would they want to pay deductible and portions of what is not covered. Then there are the companies that don't provide anything. Americans provide it for them to undermine us with foreign labor. Now we even pay for migrant women and men to take family leave while they are here. We need to change the laws that force Americans to support immigrants. That reward corporations with welfare for hiring illegal or Visa foreign workers.
Trump is so wrong. Illegal immigrants are pouring into the country. That is plenty more cheap labor and burden to the American citizens then we need for a very long time.
Social benefits need to stop for foreign workers period. If Asylum is granted then perhaps for a short period and then they provide for themselves. Period. People should not have open ended social benefits.
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This is crazy talk. We don't need more immigration.
Absolutely. ALL immigration into this country needs to end, including asylum, until we can secure our borders, find out who is here and reform immigration policies. Once under control, then perhaps a closely monitored quota system, allowing so many qualified people from various countries to entry this country legally could be implemented.
Otherwise we will continue to have one crisis and one caravan after another at our borders. What we are doing and what we've done in the past isn't working.
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Stop paying able-bodied people to just sit on their ass and you'll find plenty of available workers.
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Stop paying able-bodied people to just sit on their ass and you'll find plenty of available workers.
I believe his intent at this point in time is to flood this country with legal immigrants who he feels will contribute to making America great. What he is missing I believe is the fact that those already here don't want to assimilate and want to remain a hyphenated American. Why would he expect those coming in legally would be any different? Those hyphenated Americans in Congress are a prime example of those not willing to assimilate fully to America. That IS a huge problem. One that will only hasten the demise of this Republic that is already on the brink.
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Yea, @Chosen Daughter but he had no choice, he was 'running a business'.
I'd bet he wrote off that weekend in LA w Stormy as a business expense.
Some of us NT'ers empathize with her.
More deceitful LEFT propaganda. STORMY was extorting money from someone famous. She was sued by TRUMP..and LOST...NOW SHE HAS TO PAY TRUMP..ABOUT 300 THOUSAND DOLLARS for her extortion. Why do NT'S always want to believe SMUT? You thrive on it. No proof, it just has to be said and YOU believe it. NO DISCERNMENT. NO CRITICAL THINKING. You love to wallow in dirt. :2popcorn:
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Are you an Immigration Lawyer @Once-Ler not that it makes any difference cause you lost me at Lawyer, but it would clear up a few misconceptions.
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No but I have seen My Cousin Vinny over a dozen times.
Immigration is an issue I have had to deal with over many years. My great grandparents on both sides immigrated from Poland in the early 1900s. My wife has duel citizenship with England. My sister-in-law married a Dutch man and worked in businesses both here and in the Netherlands. My children have gone to schools and befriended anchor babies. I've worked as a manager or supervisor in automotive, janitorial, and fast food...lots of illegals in those businesses...some of them I call friends.
I've seen how difficult just getting a work visa can be through my in-laws. I've seen my children say goodbye to friends deported. I've worked side by side with illegals who just want to provide a stable home for their family, and they don't look like the welfare and job sucking infectious gangbangers Mark Levin warns me about.
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Stop paying able-bodied people to just sit on their ass and you'll find plenty of available workers.
To quote the President of the United States Donald J. Trump "bu11sh1t."
Unemployment is below 5%. Anybody who wants a job can find a job. The unemployed today are antisocial and mental rejects. Some are drug addicted, some have violent criminal records, and other are to lazy to show up. Bring on the hard working immigrants who don't steal or threaten customers.
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Speaking in terms of a game of Chess.
The best move Trump could make at this point, is to come out FULL FORWARD in favor of the AOC Green New Deal.
Democrats hate it, ergo, Trump should embrace it.
Trump knows more than I ever will about playing politics. He knows that I am right.
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Trump know more than I ever will about playing politics. He knows that I am right.
@240B
I have no comment...I just wanted to repeat your post.
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@corbe
No but I have seen My Cousin Vinny over a dozen times.
Immigration is an issue I have had to deal with over many years. My great grandparents on both sides immigrated from Poland in the early 1900s. My wife has duel citizenship with England. My sister-in-law married a Dutch man and worked in businesses both here and in the Netherlands. My children have gone to schools and befriended anchor babies. I've worked as a manager or supervisor in automotive, janitorial, and fast food...lots of illegals in those businesses...some of them I call friends.
I've seen how difficult just getting a work visa can be through my in-laws. I've seen my children say goodbye to friends deported. I've worked side by side with illegals who just want to provide a stable home for their family, and they don't look like the welfare and job sucking infectious gangbangers Mark Levin warns me about.
Oh, stop I can't handle it. (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCSadkecIDIfqugZxnfmrX58pBPjqENR7SaFK4IeiDPrOdEWhWpw)
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Oh, stop I can't handle it.
It's weird how not panicked I am about immigration huh?
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@240B
I have no comment...I just wanted to repeat your post.
Look man, the 'Old Boys' Democrats are all multimillionaire status-quo people. They hate change. They hate progress. The worst thing that Trump could do to them is to show them that 'change' is inevitable.
All he has to do is to be 'different' and unpredictable. HARUMPH...HARUMPH...I say old boy, I think this new commer is shaking the boat. What say all?
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Look man, the 'Old Boys' Democrats are all multimillionaire status-quo people. They hate change. They hate progress. The worst thing that Trump could do to them is to show them that 'change' is inevitable.
All he has to do is to be 'different' and unpredictable. HARUMPH...HARUMPH...I say old boy, I think this new commer is shaking the boat. What say all?
@240B
Record deficits, trade policy favoritism, corruption, and failure to hold previous administrations accountable is new. Great point.
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@240B
Record deficits, trade policy favoritism, corruption, and failure to hold previous administrations accountable is new. Great point.
All of that existed well before Trump came on the scene. Hussein gave $150,000,000,000,000 to his buddies in Iran simply because his Iranian "Mommy" Jarrett told him to do it.
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All of that existed well before Trump came on the scene. Hussein gave $150,000,000,000,000 to his buddies in Iran simply because his Iranian "Mommy" Jarrett told him to do it.
@240B
I don't understand. What is the change and progress?
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Good luck with that. I'm still going to work tomorrow in case all is not lost.
Not me. I'm going to work because I'm saving my pennies for a thermal scope...
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Speaking in terms of a game of Chess.
The best move Trump could make at this point, is to come out FULL FORWARD in favor of the AOC Green New Deal.
Democrats hate it, ergo, Trump should embrace it.
Trump knows more than I ever will about playing politics. He knows that I am right.
He already did that at CPAC 2019. March 2, 2019. I hope this is the full speech.
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Trump just lost my vote.
I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.
TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION. HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.
America is lost.
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Trump just lost my vote.
I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.
TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION. HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.
America is lost.
This isn't exactly flattering, but remember that the man will say things, float ideas, and then come back and change them at a later date. Don't get too excited just yet. But, keep your powder dry in case it is needed.
Either way, I do agree that America is lost.
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I'm sure the head of the Chamber of Commerce is smiling at this. I'm not sure that American workers who are not gonna get a job because lower paid workers from foreign countries get the positions will be as thrilled.
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Trump just lost my vote.
I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.
TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION. HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.
America is lost.
Well, then maybe he's gained mine. One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration. Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth. The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time. The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.
It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration. Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!
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Well, then maybe he's gained mine. One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration. Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth. The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time. The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.
It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration. Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!
So you're perfectly fine with the people getting H1B visa's taking jobs from American citizens for sometimes half of what an American worker with the same skills would make?
How progressive of you.
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Well, then maybe he's gained mine. One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration. Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth. The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time. The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.
It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration. Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!
Well, that's simple. Just get the MSM to quit calling illegals "immigrants" and call them the gate crashers they are.
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Jazzhead ...."Well, then maybe he's gained mine. One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration. Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth. The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time. The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive. "
I support legal immigration, but only if the needs of Americans are addressed first, and we have said firetruck the American people. That's right, to bring in foreign labor at half the cost and no benefits to displace American workers should be illegal. But with the traitor Trump, we are going to get more of the same. Coulter is right on the money to call out this charlatan.
We have a real race now for president. Trump is self destructing and betraying the very people he claims to support.
And Jazzhead, your clear solution is NOT the only solution. In Russia, the population is declining rapidly largely due to HIV/AIDS, a deadly version of TB, and to the 60% alcoholism with the men in the country. Putin has resorted to paying out $5,000 with the birth of each new baby, what once was about $200. And that amount will continue to increase to get birth rates up in Russia. Rather than importing foreigners into the USA, most of whom are low skilled workers, just provide greater incentives for families to stay together and have babies.
If the USA provided a $25,000 deduction per child for household where both parents reside together, we would have a whole lot more births. Instead, we are following the route of Russia, killing our babies with an act of mass genocide, and allowing people to pour into the country to make up for the shortfall.
Why eliminating abortion alone would solve the problem too. That would result in 1 million more Americans being born. Eliminating abortion could be considered a national emergency. Point is, there a number of ways to solve the problem, but again, the NWO gets in the way. These are people interested in global domination and not the sovereignty of the USA.
Until we deal with the NWO pukes, which is basically to identify them as traitors and deal with them harshly, the USA will continue to decline to 3rd world nation status. Frankly, I thought Trump was a champion for that fight, but he has clearly folded and is a puppet like those before him since and including daddy Bush.
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Well, that's simple. Just get the MSM to quit calling illegals "immigrants" and call them the gate crashers they are.
Considering that they are now coming 'en masse'.... I'd call them invaders.... :patriot:
with a few demons sprinkled in to create more chaos. :smokin:
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Jazzhead ...."Well, then maybe he's gained mine. One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration. Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth. The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time. The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive. "
I support legal immigration, but only if the needs of Americans are addressed first, and we have said firetruck the American people. That's right, to bring in foreign labor at half the cost and no benefits to displace American workers should be illegal. But with the traitor Trump, we are going to get more of the same. Coulter is right on the money to call out this charlatan.
We have a real race now for president. Trump is self destructing and betraying the very people he claims to support.
And Jazzhead, your clear solution is NOT the only solution. In Russia, the population is declining rapidly largely due to HIV/AIDS, a deadly version of TB, and to the 60% alcoholism with the men in the country. Putin has resorted to paying out $5,000 with the birth of each new baby, what once was about $200. And that amount will continue to increase to get birth rates up in Russia. Rather than importing foreigners into the USA, most of whom are low skilled workers, just provide greater incentives for families to stay together and have babies.
If the USA provided a $25,000 deduction per child for household where both parents reside together, we would have a whole lot more births. Instead, we are following the route of Russia, killing our babies with an act of mass genocide, and allowing people to pour into the country to make up for the shortfall.
Why eliminating abortion alone would solve the problem too. That would result in 1 million more Americans being born. Eliminating abortion could be considered a national emergency. Point is, there a number of ways to solve the problem, but again, the NWO gets in the way. These are people interested in global domination and not the sovereignty of the USA.
Until we deal with the NWO pukes, which is basically to identify them as traitors and deal with them harshly, the USA will continue to decline to 3rd world nation status. Frankly, I thought Trump was a champion for that fight, but he has clearly folded and is a puppet like those before him since and including daddy Bush.
The economic argument only works if you don't consider the US to be a unique and "good" nation. Any and all immigrants, whether legal or not, tend to create changes in their new residence. Some may be for better, but, in the way of this world, most are not. We have so many new and/or unassimilated people living here, continuing to maintain the US as the "bright shining city on the hill" is next to impossible. We need to back way off on immigration for some time and send those home who do not want to become legal, contributing, ideological, educated Americans.
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Until the H1-b Visa Program is ended, and there is a logical process for dealing with illegal invading aliens, our sovereignty will continue to erode away. And that is just fine with the NWO pukes.
Americans being terminated from their jobs, being forced to train their foreign low wage replacements, it is not American to treat our people that way. And now that Trump has jumped on the train to increase this nonsense, I cannot believe I am saying this, for me, that is am impeachable offense.
So, impeach the self serving miscreant, and do the American people a favor. I just don't expect much better from Pence.
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The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.
No, the clear solution is to stop killing our babies.
I don't believe there is any sort of labor crisis - but I thought I'd get that in there. :seeya:
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Plus, the real number no longer counted out of the work force are people with skills who have been replaced by people willing to work for half the income and no benefits. Most of these positions are white collar high paying positions, and yet no one represents them in our society, so corporations like Disney feel they have a free hand to do as they please.
When Trump indicated during his campaign that he would eliminate the H1-b Visa Program, I thought the American people finally had a champion to represent their interests. I am so tired of hearing about illegal invading alien rights, etc, to be faced with more legal aliens stealing jobs from American citizens, thereby lowering salaries even further in America, and Donald Trump supports this b*llsh*t...I SAY IMPEACH THE BUM!
This one aw-sh*t is not worth keeping the bugger. And in fact, it reveals his real mindset of screwing the American people. His rhetoric is empty and now meaningless, and I was one of the faithful. No longer.
He has no intention of making America great.
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Trump just lost my vote.
TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION. HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.
Oh, and btw, We told you so... (Not really... I never told !YOU! so... just trying it out...)
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Well, then maybe he's gained mine. One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration. Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth. The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time. The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.
It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration. Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!
@Jazzhead be careful what you wish for. Our doors have never been closed under this President. Our border is NOT secured by any means and we have all kinds of ILLEGALS, i.e., MS13, terrorists, rapists, murders, etc., pouring over our borders. We the taxpayers now have to support them either in prison or with a welfare benefit of some sort. Meanwhile our citizens are increasingly becoming targets. This is definitely not what I want for my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
Unless the scenario that I mentioned above is rectified very soon, we will lose our Republic; assimilation is not part of their agenda. Forget legal migration into this country, the illegals will have invaded in such alarming numbers that we will not be able to sustain.
Trump states that he's winning at the border. I declare b.s.
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Trump just lost my vote.
I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.
TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION. HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.
America is lost.
I agree. I'll say it once more ... get ready for him to implement the North American Union (Mexico, USA, Canada) as a way to resolve this issue.
IF there ever was a time to support the Constitution Party it is NOW!!! Their membership is growing; slowly but surely. People need to abandon the Trump train and climb on board the U.S.A. Constitution Party!!!
https://www.constitutionparty.com/
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People need to abandon the Trump train and climb on board the U.S.A. Constitution Party!!!
https://www.constitutionparty.com/
BUMP THAT!
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No, the clear solution is to stop killing our babies.
I don't believe there is any sort of labor crisis - but I thought I'd get that in there. :seeya:
Just think what 60,000,000 more Americans would have done for the economy.
The only labor crisis is everyone wants a good paying job, but no one wants to work.
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I agree. I'll say it once more ... get ready for him to implement the North American Union (Mexico, USA, Canada) as a way to resolve this issue.
IF there ever was a time to support the Constitution Party it is NOW!!! Their membership is growing; slowly but surely. People need to abandon the Trump train and climb on board the U.S.A. Constitution Party!!!
https://www.constitutionparty.com/
Been there since 2016! What better Platform (The US Constitution)?
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Just think what 60,000,000 more Americans would have done for the economy.
The only labor crisis is everyone wants a good paying job, but no one wants to work.
That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
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That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
That's farmed out to the new folks, and subsidized, too.
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That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
:amen: Give young American (married) couples who have a child a U.S. Savings Bond and additional tax credits!!
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That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
Problem is, Families are counterrevolutionary, Comrade. Can't have authority that isn't part of the State, and that's why the Communists have been waging war on the family unit since the '60s.
The nuclear family is the best means for instilling values, retaining wealth, conferring knowledge (especially of Liberty), and providing a sense of Honor yet devised.
No wonder they have fought it tooth and nail.
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So you're perfectly fine with the people getting H1B visa's taking jobs from American citizens for sometimes half of what an American worker with the same skills would make?
How progressive of you.
And you're perfectly fine with closing doors to legal immigration so employers can't get the workers they need, and so fold up shop or move overseas?
How self-centered of you.
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That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
If the long term fix is makin' babies, they why don't you support more legal immigration? Immigrants tend to have larger families than the native-born. Supporting chain immigration will help even more, since immigrants will be encouraged to bring their extended families here.
Mrs. Jazz' parents came from Mexico, and had eight kids, all of whom went to college and became productive and thoroughly Americanized. That comports with your vision of America, doesn't it?
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If the long term fix is makin' babies, they why don't you support more legal immigration? Immigrants tend to have larger families than the native-born. Supporting chain immigration will help even more, since immigrants will be encouraged to bring their extended families here.
Mrs. Jazz' parents came from Mexico, and had eight kids, all of whom went to college and became productive and thoroughly Americanized. That comports with your vision of America, doesn't it?
That's all well and good. Now go to little Mogadishu (Minneapolis, Minnesota) and see how well that isn't happening with other groups, especially some lately imported. We have plenty of people right here. But the most productive are punished for their efforts and forced to support an ever growing burden of people who won't support themselves, often with greater resources for the takers than the producers. We even pay for the legions of Government employees who walk them through the process of obtaining benefits.
Thanks to the ACA, I can't afford health insurance, but I am forced to buy it for people I don't know who won't buy their own. My grandchildren are exposed to diseases we'd eradicated, because we're importing them, now.
Enough insanity. Put Americans back to work first. If need be, train them. At least you won't need an interpreter to do so.
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That's all well and good. Now go to little Mogadishu (Minneapolis, Minnesota) and see how well that isn't happening with other groups, especially some lately imported. We have plenty of people right here. But the most productive are punished for their efforts and forced to support an ever growing burden of people who won't support themselves,
I advocate more legal immigration. Your beef is, I assume, with the illegal kind. Many here support legal immigration, tied to skills that American employers need. But I was responding to @roamer_1 's assertion that the root cause of the problem is not makin' enough babies. He's right - Americans tend to favor smaller families. But immigrants do not - so I'm trying to ascertain why he isn't in favor of chain immigration that encourages families.
If the goal is makin' babies then let's let in folks who are willing to make babies!
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And you're perfectly fine with closing doors to legal immigration so employers can't get the workers they need, and so fold up shop or move overseas?
No I'm not. But to start issuing H1B visa's willy nilly just for the cheap labor aspect is reckless and irresponsible.
The the job participation rate is still at historically low levels...there's people under employed that want to work more in this country.
How about we look to the citizens that want to work or move from part time to full time before we start acting like Liberals and importing labor?
How self-centered of you.
Quit projecting.
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How about we look to the citizens that want to work or move from part time to full time before we start acting like Liberals and importing labor?
Recent DOL numbers show more jobs out there than there are Americans willing to fill them. If the problem is a shortage of jobs in your particular area, than move. If an immigrant can pull up stakes from thousands of miles away, to come to a country with an unfamiliar language and culture, than why cannot an American citizen relocate to where the jobs are?
Fact is, Americans' low labor participation rate is to a large extent due to an unwillingness to go where the jobs are, or to give up government benefits, or, dare I say it, a simple lack of initiative. It is initiative, ambition and drive that immigrants have always brought to the table, and why this is the great nation it is. There's a reason employers hire immigrants over the native born, and it's not because they're cheaper. They WORK.
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Recent DOL numbers show more jobs out there than there are Americans willing to fill them. If the problem is a shortage of jobs in your particular area, than move. If an immigrant can pull up stakes from thousands of miles away, to come to a country with an unfamiliar language and culture, than why cannot an American citizen relocate to where the jobs are?
Fact is, Americans' low labor participation rate is to a large extent due to an unwillingness to go where the jobs are, or to give up government benefits, or, dare I say it, a simple lack of initiative. It is initiative, ambition and drive that immigrants have always brought to the table, and why this is the great nation it is. There's a reason employers hire immigrants over the native born, and it's not because they're cheaper. They WORK.
Ok now lets talk about what really happens. Companies bring in cheaper labor and let go the skilled American citizens who were previously holding those high skilled jobs. It's not a lack of initiative or the unwillingness to go where jobs are or whatever other talking points from the Chamber of Commerce you've dug up.
Here's some reality for you:
This issue hit home in the Orlando area when hundreds of American computer programmers employed at Disney had to train their foreign replacements imported through the H-1B visa program. What happened at Disney was not an isolated incident. The same thing has been happening at other companies for decades and has continued at Toy R Us, New York Life and Abbott Labs as subsequent examples.
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How is it possible that employers can replace Americans with foreign workers?
Make no mistake about it: The very purpose of the H-1B program is to replace Americans with cheap foreign workers. What happened at Disney was not the result of loopholes, abuse or accident. It was the product of deliberate statutory design. Congress has affirmatively enacted legislation to ensure that it is legal for employers to replace Americans with H-1B workers.
At the time one member of Congress promoting the bill boasted, "This is not a popular bill with the public. It's popular with the CEOs. ... This is a very important issue for the high-tech executives who give the money."
Money drives Washington these days, and H-1B is all about money. A massive replacement of Americans by H-1B workers like at Disney equates to hundreds of thousands (sometimes even millions) of dollars in fees to immigration lawyers. The average wage for a computer programmer in Orlando is $72,966 year. Yet an employer can legally pay an H-1B programmer in Orlando $47,299. Companies save in direct labor costs by using H-1B and the legal and visa fees are a fraction of the wage differential.
That is happening all over the country.
That's the "facts" of the matter...not the ghost of John McCain "jobs American's won't do" tripe you keep spewing.
There is no shortage of technology workers that justifies the H-1B program. For comparison, the current unemployment rate for computer programmers is 2.6 percent while the unemployment rate for lawyers is 1.4 percent. If there is a shortage of computer programmers, then there must be a massive shortage of lawyers in America. Does anyone want to make that argument?
The great irony in H-1B is employers call the workers "highly skilled" or "foreign talent" when they want more of them, but these very same workers become low skilled when it comes time to pay them. H-1B uses a skill-based prevailing wage system. The employer identifies the worker's skill level and has to pay a corresponding wage. Under this system, employers classify most H-1B workers at the lowest skill level and nearly all of them at the lowest two skill levels where these workers' skills do not even command the average wage.
Worse yet, the H-1B program is the engine for moving technology jobs overseas. The largest users of H-1B are companies that specialize offshoring work. They use H-1B visas to provide on-site support while most of the work gets moved to foreign countries. Typically, each H-1B worker here supports six more jobs moved offshore.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-h-1b-visas-hurt-americas-best-brightest-workers-front-burner--012517-20180922-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-h-1b-visas-hurt-americas-best-brightest-workers-front-burner--012517-20180922-story.html)
Another little fact for you. The H1B visa program was designed from the start to replace American workers with cheap foreign labor.
But hey you go ahead and continue your "lazy American" meme and see how that works out for you.
ETA: One of your favorite Liberal/Progressive programs is another factor in the flat labor participation rate.
Small businesses -- not to mention their workers -- have good reason to be miffed. Evidence is mounting that Obamacare raises health costs for small firms and thereby reduces workers' wages. Writ large across the entire economy, the law is not just discouraging firms from creating new jobs -- it's actually reducing the size of the labor force.
Two new economic studies unpack Obamacare's impact on the labor market.
The first, from the American Action Forum, shows that the law is reducing the pay of workers at small businesses -- those with 20 to 99 employees -- by at least $22.6 billion every year.
"On average, employees who work a full year for a business with 50-99 employees lose $935 annually due to ACA regulations, while employees of businesses with 20-49 employees, on average lose $827.50 annually,"
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Killing jobs and reducing pay is bad enough. But another report, from the American Health Policy Institute, finds that Obamacare will also shrink the labor force by reducing incentives to work.
In other words, workers are going to get squeezed from both sides. There will be less demand for them even as Obamacare makes it less financially appealing to have a job.
The AHPI report concludes that Obamacare imposes on businesses "additional costs of $4,800 to $5,900 per employee over the course of a decade." In the next ten years, the total cost of the law to American employers will be between $157 billion to $186 billion.
Additional costs spell slow -- or even no -- job growth.
The AHPI study also points to a survey of 691 small employers conducted by the International Foundation of Employee Benefits Plans showing that "one in ten has reduced hiring in order to stay under the 50-employee ACA threshold for small employers."
Federal Reserve data reveal a similar trend -- that employers are hiring more part-time workers to avoid Obamacare's penalties and save money.
At the same time, the law is driving people to avoid seeking work altogether.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2014/10/06/obamacare-bad-for-employers-bad-for-employees/#8598cf2d49c7 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2014/10/06/obamacare-bad-for-employers-bad-for-employees/#8598cf2d49c7)
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I'm just gonna leave this right here:
Donald J. Trump
March 3, 2016 ·
DONALD J. TRUMP POSITION ON VISAS
"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions." #GOPDebate
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/donald-j-trump-position-on-visasmegyn-kelly-asked-about-highly-skilled-immigrati/10156715268505725/ (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/donald-j-trump-position-on-visasmegyn-kelly-asked-about-highly-skilled-immigrati/10156715268505725/)
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So much for bringing jobs back to America.
Not surprisingly, nine of the 10 companies recently receiving the most H-1B petition approvals – including Infosys and Tata Consultancy Services, both hired by Southern California Edison, and HCL America, hired by Walt Disney World – are in the business of offshoring and outsourcing.
These companies’ business models illustrate why unchecked expansion of the H-1B program will likely exacerbate the fissuring of work. This term, coined by U.S. Department of Labor Wage and Hour Division Administrator Dr. David Weil, describes the reorganization of work through arrangements that allow a company to divest itself of employment responsibility for workers carrying out tasks primarily for its own benefit.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/labor/235711-unchecked-expansion-of-the-h-1b-program-wont-build-better-economy
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All you're saying is that government policies are the problem, @txradioguy I don't disagree there! So fix the H-1B visa program. Get rid of ACA's employer mandate. Change the rules generally regarding temporary work. Trump's changes to reduce the amount of regulation have been cited by many as a factor in boosting employment.
But my larger point - that legal, permanent immigration is good for the nation and economy - is sound as a pound. As I noted, these days there are more jobs to be filled than there are willing Americans to fill them. We need more immigration as a demographic matter, given the decline in birthrates, to sustain a growing economy over the long-term. Immigrants by their very nature are ambitious and hard-working - they've made more sacrifices than most Americans would ever be willing to make. They are exactly the sorts of workers that America's employers need to be competitive.
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All you're saying is that government policies are the problem, @txradioguy I don't disagree there! So fix the H-1B visa program. Get rid of ACA's employer mandate. Change the rules generally regarding temporary work. Trump's changes to reduce the amount of regulation have been cited by many as a factor in boosting employment.
But my larger point - that legal, permanent immigration is good for the nation and economy - is sound as a pound. As I noted, these days there are more jobs to be filled than there are willing Americans to fill them. We need more immigration as a demographic matter, given the decline in birthrates, to sustain a growing economy over the long-term. Immigrants by their very nature are ambitious and hard-working - they've made more sacrifices than most Americans would ever be willing to make. They are exactly the sorts of workers that America's employers need to be competitive.
What you are missing is the fact that there are TOO many ILLEGALS in this country. There are still TOO many ILLEGALS pouring over our borders of which WE the PEOPLE have to pay for. Once that problem is remedied, then we can start carefully allowing legal immigration into this country who possess qualified skills.
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What you are missing is the fact that there are TOO many ILLEGALS in this country. There are still TOO many ILLEGALS pouring over our borders of which WE the PEOPLE have to pay for. Once that problem is remedied, then we can start carefully allowing legal immigration into this country who possess qualified skills.
They "pour over" our borders seeking work and a better life. You and I may not like that they came here illegally, but I will not demonize them. Let's identify those who have been productive and kept their noses clean and give them amnesty, in exchange for funding for border security and new rules for legal immigration emphasizing qualified skills. This sort of grand bargain has been out there for years, but neither the left nor the right have been willing to take it. And so, the problem continues to fester . . .
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They "pour over" our borders seeking work and a better life. You and I may not like that they came here illegally, but I will not demonize them. Let's identify those who have been productive and kept their noses clean and give them amnesty, in exchange for funding for border security and new rules for legal immigration emphasizing qualified skills. This sort of grand bargain has been out there for years, but neither the left nor the right have been willing to take it. And so, the problem continues to fester . . .
I read your first sentence ... "work and a better life" and I stopped reading. You actually want me to take you seriously?? They want a better life my behind. Rapists, thieves, murderers and terrorists don't want a better life.
They want a free ride along with citizenship and most fail to assimilate. Also, the DEMS don't give a darn about their background as long as they equal votes.
Don't even try to change my view point on this issue.
BUILD A WALL AND DEPORT THEM ALL! STOP ALL IMMIGRATION INTO THIS COUNTRY!
Next.
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Good God, the hate just drips from that post. I am the grandchild of immigrants and my wife is the child of immigrants, who came here for, yes, a BETTER LIFE.
I will never, ever stoop to such cruel, offensive demonization of my fellow man.
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Its a scam on Americans. When Trump was campaigning it was well known that illegal immigrants were working on the DC Trump building. It was also known and continues to leak that they are working in his golf courses and hotels. You can bet that Americans are picking up the tab for health and other social needs.
@Chosen Daughter
You DO know there is a difference between "well-known" and "assumed",right?
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I am delighted to agree with you @LegalAmerican . It says LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Just because you expand legal immigration doesn't mean you have to accept inferior people or inferior workers.
@Once-Ler
Because it doesn't fit their political agenda.
Things like facts and truth are nothing but trouble to these people. They are whores.
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How could you not vote for John McCain @libertybele :shrug:
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@corbe
Your mama was a drunk that dropped you on your head a lot,didn't she?
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All you're saying is that government policies are the problem, @txradioguy I don't disagree there! So fix the H-1B visa program.
The way to fix it is to reduce the number of visa's granted every year. Trump campaigned on doing away with the program. Americans doing jobs in America.
I guess we're all supposed to ignore that now.
But my larger point - that legal, permanent immigration is good for the nation and economy - is sound as a pound. As I noted, these days there are more jobs to be filled than there are willing Americans to fill them. We need more immigration as a demographic matter, given the decline in birthrates, to sustain a growing economy over the long-term. Immigrants by their very nature are ambitious and hard-working - they've made more sacrifices than most Americans would ever be willing to make. They are exactly the sorts of workers that America's employers need to be competitive.
And you can keep repeating that bullsh*t John McCain RINO line about Americans unwilling to do jobs and no matter how many times you repeat that lie...it won't make it true.
I just showed you why that's a lie...and because you prefer to live in a Progressive echo chamber you ignore the facts that were laid right in front of you showing how your meme is patently false.
It's a recurring theme when it comes to your favorite Liberal policies.
I'll say it again...the H1B Visa program...as I showed you earlier...is not pro American business...it's not sound fiscal or business policy...it puts qualified educated Americans on the streets and in the unemployment lines in return for cheap outsourced and offshore subcontracted organizations.
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I will never, ever stoop to such cruel, offensive demonization of my fellow man.
And yet...
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They "pour over" our borders seeking work and a better life.
Oh really?
63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households
Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) shows welfare use by households headed by non-citizens is very high.
Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs (https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs)
More undocumented immigrants in California would get health care under Democrats’ plan
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article222566770.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article222566770.html)
New York City will cover illegal immigrants as part of $100 million-a-year health-care expansion
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-york-city-will-spend-100-million-a-year-on-health-care-expansion-covers-illegal-immigrants-2019-01-09 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-york-city-will-spend-100-million-a-year-on-health-care-expansion-covers-illegal-immigrants-2019-01-09)
Millions of people came here as immigrants...left their country and became Americans. They embraced the American ideology...they played by the rules...showed they weren't here to be a charge of the state..they had to have a sponsor in the States and had to prove they had a job.
They had to show they added to the American experience by being here. They didn't get everything being an American entails by merely showing up and getting here illegally.
You do the memory of your family who immigrated here as well as those of others who's relatives came here and did things the right way and were productive a great disservice.
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I advocate more legal immigration. Your beef is, I assume, with the illegal kind. Many here support legal immigration, tied to skills that American employers need. But I was responding to @roamer_1 's assertion that the root cause of the problem is not makin' enough babies. He's right - Americans tend to favor smaller families. But immigrants do not - so I'm trying to ascertain why he isn't in favor of chain immigration that encourages families.
If the goal is makin' babies then let's let in folks who are willing to make babies!
How about we get back to reconstructing the American Family? The one the statists have systematically dismantled over the last 60 years. Quit making people pay for other people's kids, and they can have more of their own.
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How about we get back to reconstructing the American Family? The one the statists have systematically dismantled over the last 60 years. Quit making people pay for other people's kids, and they can have more of their own.
:amen: :hands: :hands: :hands:
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They "pour over" our borders seeking work and a better life. You and I may not like that they came here illegally, but I will not demonize them. Let's identify those who have been productive and kept their noses clean and give them amnesty, in exchange for funding for border security and new rules for legal immigration emphasizing qualified skills. This sort of grand bargain has been out there for years, but neither the left nor the right have been willing to take it. And so, the problem continues to fester . . .
Great posts through out this thread @Jazzhead . They make a lot of sense to me. The sad thing is it's all just talk. the Senate and the House are not looking for solutions. They're looking for positions to strengthen their base of support. Neither tribe wants to fix anything. pointing fingers at the other side is still an effective re-election tool.
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If the long term fix is makin' babies, they why don't you support more legal immigration? Immigrants tend to have larger families than the native-born. Supporting chain immigration will help even more, since immigrants will be encouraged to bring their extended families here.
Mrs. Jazz' parents came from Mexico, and had eight kids, all of whom went to college and became productive and thoroughly Americanized. That comports with your vision of America, doesn't it?
@Jazzhead
What makes you think I am against legal immigration? I will give you the Ted Cruz solution: You can have all the h1 visas you want, so long as the employer pays the going American rate for their labor, and that the applicant can express a desire and ability to assimilate.
My point is that 60m American children were murdered in the womb, and social liberalism preaches abortion and small families - narcissism. Hell, you'll be accused of being part of the overpopulation problem if you have more than 1.2 kids.
That needs fixed. If we need more people, we should foremost encourage making our own.
That narcissistic message is part and parcel with liberalism under the guise of feminism. It is rampant in social media and in the cities, and it is destructive as hell. As such it is far more prevalent in city thinking, and has far less traction in the country - But even there it is making inroads.
The blatant hypocrisy of progressive thought - Right fist raised, preaching birth control, abortion, and tiny families to Americans, destroying the ability of the family to take care of its own... And at the same time the left hand ushers in masses upon masses from socialist countries with huge families and crying for chain migration.
The net result is obvious.
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Recent DOL numbers show more jobs out there than there are Americans willing to fill them. If the problem is a shortage of jobs in your particular area, than move. If an immigrant can pull up stakes from thousands of miles away, to come to a country with an unfamiliar language and culture, than why cannot an American citizen relocate to where the jobs are?
Fact is, Americans' low labor participation rate is to a large extent due to an unwillingness to go where the jobs are, or to give up government benefits, or, dare I say it, a simple lack of initiative. It is initiative, ambition and drive that immigrants have always brought to the table, and why this is the great nation it is. There's a reason employers hire immigrants over the native born, and it's not because they're cheaper. They WORK.
What's the deal with than? More than, less than........... to come to a country with an unfamiliar language and culture, then why cannot an American citizen...........If the problem is a shortage of jobs in your particular area, then move
What a pile of rubbish. I should sell my house and go to another state that has jobs, but the employers only hire immigrants so no need to even submit the resume. Because obviously employers don't want to hire Americans. But then you say Americans don't want to find a job. How are they going to find a job if the only requirement for employers to hire is if you are not native born?
Stop spouting that garbage that immigrants are better workers. People are people. There are good and bad workers of every race. "they work" is the excuse you use to advocate for illegals and foreign born immigrants taking jobs from American citizens. If I read your post right it wouldn't make a lick of difference where you went in the United States because U.S corporations hate American workers.
I work with many foreign born immigrants. They do not work any harder. Some are just plain lazy. Some Americans are too. And if you have poor management that's what you get, lazy. Because many are not self starters with good work ethics. At those pay rates they are a human being filling a seat and collecting a paycheck. If that is what corporations are after then there is plenty of cheap labor. And since they don't make enough to support the family American citizens, (the ones that employers don't want to hire) get to provide for low wage earning immigrants.
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How about we get back to reconstructing the American Family? The one the statists have systematically dismantled over the last 60 years. Quit making people pay for other people's kids, and they can have more of their own.
:hands:
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@Chosen Daughter
You DO know there is a difference between "well-known" and "assumed",right?
It was well known. They were interviewing illegal immigrants.
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Good God, the hate just drips from that post. I am the grandchild of immigrants and my wife is the child of immigrants, who came here for, yes, a BETTER LIFE.
I will never, ever stoop to such cruel, offensive demonization of my fellow man.
Well I have no idea if you are an American citizen. But your posts are pretty hateful and you don't have much to talk about. You portray Americans as lazy and worthless to corporate America.
Fact is, Americans' low labor participation rate is to a large extent due to an unwillingness to go where the jobs are, or to give up government benefits, or, dare I say it, a simple lack of initiative.
@libertybele is correct about immigrant criminals. Thats fact. You can look up the data on immigrant populations in prison. I have posted the data before. Its truth. Can't help it if you think stating the truth is hate.
30% Federal prison immigrants
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/7/30-percent-federal-prisoners-are-immigrants-dojdhs/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/7/30-percent-federal-prisoners-are-immigrants-dojdhs/)
Pew estimated the total population to be 11.1 million in 2014, or approximately 3 percent of the U.S. population. This "is in the same ballpark" as figures from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which estimated that 11.4 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States in January 2012.
Illegal immigrant population of the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States
You get it.
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Over 26% of those in our prison systems are ILLEGAL. In the State of Arizona alone, one out of every 35 illegal immigrants is in state prison or jail. 63% of ILLEGALS are on welfare. Since 2001, over 63,0000 U.S. citizens have been killed by ILLEGALS. It is estimated that over 10,000 MS-13 members are in the U.S. ILLEGALS vote and have handed DEMS wins in elections. ILLEGALS cost the U.S. over $300 BILLION annually! Undocumented LLEGALS were able to start collecting SS benefits in 2017. DACA ILLEGALS can't speak English.Studies further show that 67% percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can't speak fluent English. The list goes on .... This broken record of illegals just wanting a better life is such bull crap.
So excuse me, if I'm not all warm and fuzzy to the idea of more immigrants into this country. We need to STOP THE INVASION OF ILLEGALS.
@Jazzhead, we are on the very edge of losing our Republic, yet, you're applauding more immigration! Seriously??? What do you think is going to happen when all the illegals who are here no longer get a free ride?? They will revolt!! There will be nothing left to this country. Where will you go?? Europe just announced stricter immigration policies to those coming from the U.S.; they clearly see what's happening. Why don't you??
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Until the H1-b Visa Program is ended, and there is a logical process for dealing with illegal invading aliens, our sovereignty will continue to erode away. And that is just fine with the NWO pukes.
Americans being terminated from their jobs, being forced to train their foreign low wage replacements, it is not American to treat our people that way. And now that Trump has jumped on the train to increase this nonsense, I cannot believe I am saying this, for me, that is am impeachable offense.
So, impeach the self serving miscreant, and do the American people a favor. I just don't expect much better from Pence.
This bill was written in 1990! Who did you hate in 1990, for implementing this law? Want impeached?
YOU know sometimes I feel like I am one of the few on here, in reality. President TRUMP has said for 3 years, every speech, every rally, he is for LEGAL immigration, where they come through MERIT and have skills to help America. That we have bad laws like the one you mentioned is NOT on this president. He is trying to change all of that. GUESS WHO IS NOT VOTING FOR THE CHANGE OF BAD LAWS? ALL DEMON-RATS and some RINO'S. Talk to congress, not about president TRUMP. He does not create these LAWS IN EFFECT FOR DECADES! 8 years under obama.
"Americans being terminated from their jobs." Now you think president TRUMP is a dictator, telling companies who to hire or fire? Do you read yourself? He has ZERO to do with what company's do with employees. Every Rally he speaks of the bad laws and wanted them removed! TALK TO YOUR SENATOR...IMPEACH HIM OR HER...not on president TRUMP.
It is your CONGRESS...
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Over 26% of those in our prison systems are ILLEGAL. In the State of Arizona alone, one out of every 35 illegal immigrants is in state prison or jail. 63% of ILLEGALS are on welfare. Since 2001, over 63,0000 U.S. citizens have been killed by ILLEGALS. It is estimated that over 10,000 MS-13 members are in the U.S. ILLEGALS vote and have handed DEMS wins in elections. ILLEGALS cost the U.S. over $300 BILLION annually! Undocumented LLEGALS were able to start collecting SS benefits in 2017. DACA ILLEGALS can't speak English.Studies further show that 67% percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can't speak fluent English. The list goes on .... This broken record of illegals just wanting a better life is such bull crap.
So excuse me, if I'm not all warm and fuzzy to the idea of more immigrants into this country. We need to STOP THE INVASION OF ILLEGALS.
@Jazzhead, we are on the very edge of losing our Republic, yet, you're applauding more immigration! Seriously??? What do you think is going to happen when all the illegals who are here no longer get a free ride?? They will revolt!! There will be nothing left to this country. Where will you go?? Europe just announced stricter immigration policies to those coming from the U.S.; they clearly see what's happening. Why don't you??
He's not only applauding. He is advocating because he "hates" American workers.
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Over 26% of those in our prison systems are ILLEGAL. In the State of Arizona alone, one out of every 35 illegal immigrants is in state prison or jail. 63% of ILLEGALS are on welfare. Since 2001, over 63,0000 U.S. citizens have been killed by ILLEGALS. It is estimated that over 10,000 MS-13 members are in the U.S. ILLEGALS vote and have handed DEMS wins in elections. ILLEGALS cost the U.S. over $300 BILLION annually! Undocumented LLEGALS were able to start collecting SS benefits in 2017. DACA ILLEGALS can't speak English.Studies further show that 67% percent of immigrants in the United States for 15 years or more can't speak fluent English. The list goes on .... This broken record of illegals just wanting a better life is such bull crap.
So excuse me, if I'm not all warm and fuzzy to the idea of more immigrants into this country. We need to STOP THE INVASION OF ILLEGALS.
@Jazzhead, we are on the very edge of losing our Republic, yet, you're applauding more immigration! Seriously??? What do you think is going to happen when all the illegals who are here no longer get a free ride?? They will revolt!! There will be nothing left to this country. Where will you go?? Europe just announced stricter immigration policies to those coming from the U.S.; they clearly see what's happening. Why don't you??
I don't believe anything you wrote. https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrant-conviction-rates-are-low-even-when-factoring-recidivism (https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrant-conviction-rates-are-low-even-when-factoring-recidivism)
First, we used the Arizona state prison data from 2016 for those admitted to state prison that year. Of U.S. citizens sent to prison that year, 58 percent had previously been to prison at some point since 1984. The subpopulation of deportable non-citizens, which includes illegal immigrants but is not limited to them, had a recidivism rate of 47 percent – below those of U.S. citizens, but not that much below.
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President TRUMP...signed an. E.O....too slow this down. Love him now? " Company's are the problems. Hoarding Visa's. "
Mark Cuban talking. Cuban also wants to be president.
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Quote from: Once-Ler on March 06, 2019, 10:04:57 PM
I am delighted to agree with you @LegalAmerican . It says LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Just because you expand legal immigration doesn't mean you have to accept inferior people or inferior workers.
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The whole point of LEGAL IMMIGRATION is they are vetted, so that NO INFERIOR OR INFERIOR WORKERS come into our country. That is the whole point about LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
Now, people are all over the place. THERE IS LEGAL IMMIGRATION. THERE IS ILLEGAL INVADERS. THEN H1-B VISA'A.
Some are talking about baby's.
All mixed up, and no real truth on any of the above. Mixed up mess.
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Quote from: Once-Ler on March 06, 2019, 10:04:57 PM
I am delighted to agree with you @LegalAmerican . It says LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Just because you expand legal immigration doesn't mean you have to accept inferior people or inferior workers.
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The whole point of LEGAL IMMIGRATION is they are vetted, so that NO INFERIOR OR INFERIOR WORKERS come into our country. That is the whole point about LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
Now, people are all over the place. THERE IS LEGAL IMMIGRATION. THERE IS ILLEGAL INVADERS. THEN H1-B VISA'A.
Some are talking about baby's.
All mixed up, and no real truth on any of the above. Mixed up mess.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1105686760653234176
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So many records being set with respect to our Economy. Unemployment numbers among BEST EVER. A beautiful thing to watch!
9:27 PM - 12 Mar 2019
I believe the President, and I don't think business is going to wait for some of the solutions offered like "Simple, remove government entitlements and business will hire the alcoholic who got fired on his last three jobs" or "stop aborting future workers." Those businesses will move to counties with inferior workers if it's more profitable than upgrading technology to correct the labor shortage or employing the last 4.?% of American workers who actually want a job.
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I have been advocating on this thread for increased LEGAL immigration. The economic case for increased legal immigration ought to be obvious. As Once-ler suggests, employers aren't going to hesitate to relocate abroad if they can't get the workers they need here. We are currently just about at full employment. Job vacancies exceed the pool of willing applicants. Those who aren't working are largely those unable or unwilling to work. Do I "hate" American workers? Of course not - to the contrary, I want to create the conditions for sustained employment and economic growth.
To those obsessed with illegal immigration, man up and propose a realistic solution. Here's one - get the funds needed to secure the border and deal with the bad guys by agreeing to provide amnesty to the good guys. Don't just demonize illegals as a group. Some are gang members, some are spongers, but most are here for the most basic reason - to provide for their families and forge a better life. The same things you and I want. So DIFFERENTIATE between the good and the bad - is anyone here courageous enough to do so and advocate for a political compromise that can actually solve the problem?
Screaming "Deport them all!" may help you exorcise your rage at these hateful folks who dare to seek a better life at your perceived expense, but as policy it's a non-starter.
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Legal American.....
The ONLY promise I know that Trump made that he said he would execute DAY ONE of his presidency was the elimination of the H1-b Visa Program. This was not done. And I would not have a problem with it happening in year four of his presidency, but to turn around and declare we need more legal immigrant to fill jobs in the USA is a betrayal of his base.
It does not matter when this bullsh*t came into being. So, take your high and mighty attitude and shove it!
In coming out in full support of the owners of high tech to bring in more cheap foreign labor, it will do one thing for certain, it will result in high paid Americans being displaced from their tech positions.
This action by Trump will destroy his base support. His entire base support revolves around a couple basic themes, protect our border and end illegal aliens invading our nation, and making America strong again for largely jobs. But at no time were those that support him thinking he would increase the number of H1-b Visa recipients to make America great again.
This action weakens his chance for a 2nd term and gives Democommies an excellent plank to beat him up and ultimately capture back many of the blue collar workers that supported him. I am not blue collar, I am someone that has worked with systems development efforts that are staffed largely with folks from India, while using development teams residng in India, China and Ukraine. What someone said above is exact, about the exportation of tech jobs overseas. I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT JOB I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OVER THE LAST TEN + YEARS.
Trump has sold out, and if the American people continue to support him, they deserve what they get, a place in the bread line. The problem unfortunately is that there is no one that hasn't sold his/her soul to the real powers that control everything.
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. I am not blue collar, I am someone that has worked with systems development efforts that are staffed largely with folks from India, while using development teams residng in India, China and Ukraine. What someone said above is exact, about the exportation of tech jobs overseas. I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT JOB I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OVER THE LAST TEN + YEARS.
Color me confused. What you describe is outsourcing, using workers from other countries. The idea with H1-b visas is to allow foreign workers to come here, where they pay U.S. taxes and support U.S. operations that employ citizens.
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Jazzhead...you are saying that we are powerless to control our borders, so why bother trying. This weak mindset is what put us in the position we are in, along with one party who believes the ONLY way they survive is with the votes of illegal invading aliens.
So, I have stated it before, I will again. There is a simple solution. Basically declare there is only one way to become a citizen, and that is to apply from your own country. Those that violate our laws should not be entitled to anything. And if government wanted to truly end the illegals invading our country, they would simply enforce the law. The folks that want the NWO are in control, and in order to achieve their goals, the USA has to be knocked down a few pegs. Most in our government have sold their souls to these people who will be quite happy with a two class system, those that have, and those that don't, and the lower class will receive just enough to survive and be powerless.
The people that say there is nothing we can do about illegal invading aliens are playing right into the hands of the NWO pukes. The USA largely supplied the Allies during WWII to defeat the AXIS in about 3.5 years, a far greater feat than merely dealing with millions of illegal aliens that have invaded our country. Nowhere does it say we take in every member of the planet that is suffering or poor.
I will say the USA has done more than its share to cause harm in many central and south American countries. We have invested TRILLIONS of dollars in the Middle East and for what? Those monies could have been used here in the USA or at least in our hemisphere. The money in the Middle East is squandered, and yet the military industrial complex continues to rake in hundreds of billions, and for what?
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Jazzhead...you are saying that we are powerless to control our borders, so why bother trying. This weak mindset is what put us in the position we are in, along with one party who believes the ONLY way they survive is with the votes of illegal invading aliens.
So, I have stated it before, I will again. There is a simple solution. Basically declare there is only one way to become a citizen, and that is to apply from your own country. Those that violate our laws should not be entitled to anything. And if government wanted to truly end the illegals invading our country, they would simply enforce the law. The folks that want the NWO are in control, and in order to achieve their goals, the USA has to be knocked down a few pegs. Most in our government have sold their souls to these people who will be quite happy with a two class system, those that have, and those that don't, and the lower class will receive just enough to survive and be powerless.
The people that say there is nothing we can do about illegal invading aliens are playing right into the hands of the NWO pukes. The USA largely supplied the Allies during WWII to defeat the AXIS in about 3.5 years, a far greater feat than merely dealing with millions of illegal aliens that have invaded our country. Nowhere does it say we take in every member of the planet that is suffering or poor.
I will say the USA has done more than its share to cause harm in many central and south American countries. We have invested TRILLIONS of dollars in the Middle East and for what? Those monies could have been used here in the USA or at least in our hemisphere. The money in the Middle East is squandered, and yet the military industrial complex continues to rake in hundreds of billions, and for what?
@jafo2010 in reality he doesn't want the borders controlled...it's not that he honestly thinks we're powerless to do anything. He's just part of the open borders crowd.
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Trump has sold out, and if the American people continue to support him, they deserve what they get, a place in the bread line. The problem unfortunately is that there is no one that hasn't sold his/her soul to the real powers that control everything.
He didn't sell out. This was predictable, and predicted. You have merely chosen to end your suspension of disbelief, and took off the orange colored glasses.