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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on March 29, 2019, 06:43:23 pm
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Trump threatens to close border 'next week' if Mexico doesn't 'immediately stop' flood of illegal immigrants
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
President Trump on Friday threatened to close the Southern Border next week if Mexico does not “immediately stop†the record-breaking surge of illegal immigrants flooding into the United States.
Trump's warning comes as Customs and Border Protection officials say March is on pace to exceed 100,000 border apprehensions -- the highest monthly total in a decade. According to CBP, this week alone, agents have more than 12,000 migrants in custody.,
“The DEMOCRATS have given us the weakest immigration laws anywhere in the World. Mexico has the strongest, & they make more than $100 Billion a year on the U.S.,†Trump tweeted. “Therefore, CONGRESS MUST CHANGE OUR WEAK IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW, & Mexico must stop illegals from entering the U.S. through their country and our Southern Border.â€
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-close-southern-border-next-week-if-mexico-doesnt-immediately-stop-illegal-immigrants-from-trying-to-cross-into-us (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-close-southern-border-next-week-if-mexico-doesnt-immediately-stop-illegal-immigrants-from-trying-to-cross-into-us)
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Free Beer Tomorrow.
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Why does he have to make threats? He just needs to put a call into Orador and tell him he's shutting down the border Monday and those trying to cross will be fired upon as they will be considered an enemy of the U.S. Tell him he needs to relay the information and control the situation or any blood shed will be on his hands!
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Why does he have to make threats? He just needs to put a call into Orador and tell him he's shutting down the border Monday and those trying to cross will be fired upon as they will be considered an enemy of the U.S. Tell him he needs to relay the information and control the situation or any blood shed will be on his hands!
How about the wall, and NOT shoot them dead?
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He has made this threat a dozen times before, he never follows through even though Mexico never gives in and things get worse.
The reality is a complete shutdown would hurt us more than Mexico and won't stop the illegal crossings. Over a million people each day cross the border legally both ways, to conduct business and personal reasons- again, that's legal movement. It is the business border in the world.
Shutting down the border won't stop the criminals, it will only hurt those who legally go back and forth. It is akin to gun control. Only those law abiding follow up with he law.
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How about the wall, and NOT shoot them dead?
It is too late for a wall to deal with the current invasion. Even if every elected official in the federal government (and every man, woman, and child in the US!) supported building a wall, and the effort was Fully funded, it would be years before there was sufficient wall coverage.
This ongoing invasion requires extraordinary measures.
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How about the wall, and NOT shoot them dead?
A complete wall is years and lost of courtroom drama and politics away. Please let me be clear; the last thing that I would like to see is people being shot. We are now at a point where we have to make a decision, and it took me awhile to come to grips with this, our country is being invaded and our citizens are becoming victims of rape, burglary, theft, arson, sex slavery, etc. Do we continue to allow this invasion and attack on our country?? Do we want to become another Germany? Children being brought over are victims as well and they are being brought over to ensure that their relatives have an entry way. All at a cost (one way or another) to the taxpayer and an economy that cannot sustain the rapid influx.
Our border patrol is overwhelmed and we don't know how many terrorists, MS-13 gang members, murderers, and rapists are coming across. The myth that they are just coming here for a better life is b.s. They are breaking our laws from the start .... time to STOP THE INVASION!!
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It is too late for a wall to deal with the current invasion. Even if every elected official in the federal government (and every man, woman, and child in the US!) supported building a wall, and the effort was Fully funded, it would be years before there was sufficient wall coverage.
This ongoing invasion requires extraordinary measures.
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If the FBI wasn't headed by a man picked by the wise President Trump, I might wonder if you were a FBI agent provocateur. Maybe you think you're funny.
You're not.
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Why does he have to make threats? He just needs to put a call into Orador and tell him he's shutting down the border Monday and those trying to cross will be fired upon as they will be considered an enemy of the U.S. Tell him he needs to relay the information and control the situation or any blood shed will be on his hands!
I think Trump should do that. :thumbsup:
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Why does he have to make threats? He just needs to put a call into Orador and tell him he's shutting down the border Monday and those trying to cross will be fired upon as they will be considered an enemy of the U.S. Tell him he needs to relay the information and control the situation or any blood shed will be on his hands!
Closing the border also shuts down trade @libertybele and that hurts both sides of the border so the President has to weigh this decision carefully.
And we're not going to start a shooting people. Just accept this.
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I think Trump should do that. :thumbsup:
If @Once-Ler agrees with you @libertybele I advise you to run --- not walk --- away from your suggestion. happy77
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He has made this threat a dozen times before
We've now reached critical mass.
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If @Once-Ler agrees with you @libertybele I advise you to run --- not walk --- away from the suggestion. happy77
I just want to see the headlines "Trump orders border massacre."
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We've now reached critical mass.
You're talking about frenzied border patriots? I agree.
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Let me say first that I'm a Trump supporter.
But I'm tired of talk like this.
That is to say, threats that aren't backed up by action.
Don't talk, Mr. Trump.
JUST DO IT.
Send the troops (tens of thousands, whatever you can scrape together) down there en masse.
CLOSE the border with the statement that it will REMAIN closed (including all commercial and private traffic, including trucks and trains) until a better system of control can be put into place.
ORDER the Army to begin building "a barrier" as an aid to enforcement.
But just STOP TALKING and START DOING SOMETHING.
We can't survive this much longer.
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I just want to see the headlines "Trump orders border massacre."
And, another dream of yours goes kapute.
So much winning. 88devil
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And, another dream of yours goes kapute.
I'm ok if the massacre doesn't happen too. It shouldn't. There should be a way to discourage illegals without the bad publicity of killing them.
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Closing the border also shuts down trade @libertybele and that hurts both sides of the border so the President has to weigh this decision carefully.
And we're not going to start a shooting people. Just accept this.
Yes @Right_in_Virginia I get that it shuts down trade, but, what choice really does the President have right now?? Renegotiate NAFTA again??? That resolves nothing. Granted we are huge importers of fruits and veggies, but quite frankly, I have refused for years to purchase produce from Mexico. I wait for seasonal fruits and vegetables that are grown here and eat accordingly. Yes, we import other items, but I think we will fare better than Mexico. Again, what other choice does Trump have?? Either he shuts down the border or he continues to allow the invasion. It's that cut and dry.
As for shooting at people ... come on ... as I stated, I'm not advocating shooting at people .... but I am advocating that we allow our military to protect our borders. Those coming across our border should be seen as an enemy. So ... if our military is fired upon, should they retreat?
Gee ... imagine ... the U.S. being taken over by Mexico, Guatemala and Columbia and who ever is knocking on our Southern border...is that what you are willing to accept?? Really??
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I'm ok if the massacre doesn't happen too. It shouldn't. There should be a way to discourage illegals without the bad publicity of killing them.
There is. End all benefits and birthright citizenship. Wouldn't take long and there is no shooting involved. But politicians like the invasion.
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So... what's the solution?
Not "da wall". Even if it can be built, it won't be built in time to stop the ongoing invasion and impending collapse. What would be the legal repercussions of an Executive Order by Trump that changes our current stupid immigration laws? What about another Emergency Declaration stopping catch & release, and ending all asylum claims until the flood across our southern border has been stopped?
Is there even any viable solution ... or are we watching the end of America as we knew it (and as planned by America's enemies within...).
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There is. End all benefits and birthright citizenship. Wouldn't take long and there is no shooting involved. But politicians like the invasion.
And just how would you get that passed through the DemocRat-controlled House?
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So... what's the solution?
Not "da wall". Even if it can be built, it won't be built in time to stop the ongoing invasion and impending collapse. What would be the legal repercussions of an Executive Order by Trump that changes our current stupid immigration laws? What about another Emergency Declaration stopping catch & release, and ending all asylum claims until the flood across our southern border has been stopped?
Is there even any viable solution ... or are we watching the end of America as we knew it (and as planned by America's enemies within...).
You are correct, not time for the wall -- that shipped sailed awhile ago. Stopping all asylum claims would pretty much demand shutting down the border.
Yes, we could very well be watching the end of America.
America goes and so goes the rest of the free world.
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There is. End all benefits and birthright citizenship. Wouldn't take long and there is no shooting involved. But politicians like the invasion.
OK. Lets get it passed...Oh dammit looks like the rats own the House. Shoulda thought of that last year or the year before.
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OK. Lets get it passed...Oh dammit looks like the rats own the House. Shoulda thought of that last year or the year before.
@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
WALL
Only one law or policy, whichever it is called, would stop this. Now, Once, Cyber, mystery, read this and think which you three do well:
1. If our border with Mexico is on both solid ground between the two countries, a wall built right will stop them.
2. The problem is only with the Rio Grand River being the border between the two countries. Our wall is built on our land a distance from the river. When illegals come over the river, and step on land, it is our land and their rights are then in effect. Our border agents must go behind our wall and take in the people now on our land. That policy/law must be changed so we don't have to take them in when they set foot on our land out of the water. That is the fix we need. Does Trump know this? I didn't know that law/policy until two border agents explained it a day or so ago. Someone needs to tell Trump what the problem is.
3. Those who go legally through a port of entry are processed and if those sanctuary laws for entry have to be changed to a MORE RIGID reason for getting in, then change them. Both reason 2 and 3 must be changed by congress. This needed to be done when we had both houses.
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@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Only one law or policy, whichever it is called, would stop this. Now, Once, Cyber, mystery, read this and think which you three do well:
1. If our border with Mexico is on both solid ground between the two countries, a wall built right will stop them.
2. The problem is only with the Rio Grand River being the border between the two countries. Our wall is built on our land a distance from the river. When illegals come over the river, and step on land, it is our land and their rights are then in effect. Our border agents must go behind our wall and take in the people now on our land. That policy/law must be changed so we don't have to take them in when they set foot on our land out of the water. That is the fix we need. Does Trump know this? I didn't know that law/policy until two border agents explained it a day or so ago. Someone needs to tell Trump what the problem is.
My border is solid ground, so I'll take a wall.
I think the wall, in whatever configuration, will be built in the desert southwest first.
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My border is solid ground, so I'll take a wall.
I think the wall, in whatever configuration, will be built in the desert southwest first.
Perhaps it will be. Construction of a wall will take time, time that this country doesn't have right now. Perhaps people don't understand what this massive influx of illegal means. Increased crimes such as murder, rapes, burglaries, sex slavery against our own citizens. Increased economic burden. Increase in a massive population that fails to assimilate to our culture. Increase in gang violence and terrorism. Eventual increase in DEM voters which will make it mathematically impossible for ANY GOP to be seated again.
The time to do something was years ago. Now the President has two choices; let the invasion continue or shut down the border.
Of course the DEMS will scream if he shuts it down.
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Perhaps it will be. Construction of a wall will take time, time that this country doesn't have right now. Perhaps people don't understand what this massive influx of illegal means. Increased crimes such as murder, rapes, burglaries, sex slavery against our own citizens. Increased economic burden. Increase in a massive population that fails to assimilate to our culture. Increase in gang violence and terrorism. Eventual increase in DEM voters which will make it mathematically impossible for ANY GOP to be seated again.
The time to do something was years ago. Now the President has two choices; let the invasion continue or shut down the border.
Of course the DEMS will scream if he shuts it down.
Shutting down the border isn't the ultimate solution. Why? Because the human traffickers and smugglers know where the places along the border are that they can cross. If one place shuts down, they make another. Once those folks are 'here' they're our problem. No, we have to change the laws that say they're our problem, no matter what. And I don't see that (ever) happening now.... unless Trump can do another emergency declaration or an EO. We're probably screwed, IOW.
You can thank Soros and the other globalists that see America as their biggest obstacle to their agenda. Once they have handled us, they have a clear pathway to world globalism.
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Shutting down the border isn't the ultimate solution. Why? Because the human traffickers and smugglers know where the places along the border are that they can cross. If one place shuts down, they make another. Once those folks are 'here' they're our problem. No, we have to change the laws that say they're our problem, no matter what. And I don't see that (ever) happening now.... unless Trump can do another emergency declaration or an EO. We're probably screwed, IOW.
You can thank Soros and the other globalists that see America as their biggest obstacle to their agenda. Once they have handled us, they have a clear pathway to world globalism.
Most of them are coming in between ports of entry. Its overwhelming. The cities are struggling to take care of them all. I read an article that cities are petitioning Federal money to care for these people. As a taxpayer I would say it is the Federal Governments obligation since they won't do anything to stop it. Being that its corporate Welfare too I suggest that the government get cracking on deals with these companies to care for the illegal immigrants coming.
Furthermore we hear all about the sob stories of these immigrants and why they must come and invade our country. But haven't heard one thing about how our government or the world is going to address the problems in the countries that these people feel they can't live in any longer. Its absent from all discussions. What to do about the humanity crisis? Besides continue to let our country be invaded.
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All we have done is become an open door for the people of countries that have the highest rate of crime. Don't kid yourself these are criminals coming into our country with no resistance from our government. And people continue to talk about it like they are some kind of blessing. Some kind of master race solution to corporation. Better than all Americans.
We may not be placing Americans in gas chambers. But there sure is a stigma about all Americans being lazy and not worth a job. Seems very Nazi to me.
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A new solution.
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Let me say first that I'm a Trump supporter.
But I'm tired of talk like this.
That is to say, threats that aren't backed up by action.
Don't talk, Mr. Trump.
JUST DO IT.
Send the troops (tens of thousands, whatever you can scrape together) down there en masse.
CLOSE the border with the statement that it will REMAIN closed (including all commercial and private traffic, including trucks and trains) until a better system of control can be put into place.
ORDER the Army to begin building "a barrier" as an aid to enforcement.
But just STOP TALKING and START DOING SOMETHING.
We can't survive this much longer.
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Machiavelli asked, "Is it better the Prince be loved or feared?"
Isn't it beyond obvious this Latino trash has no fear or respect
for Trump; consequently:
* our Sovereign Rights are ignored.
* our business hustlers only concern is the money they won't make.
* our political buffoonery are embedded in the tall grass.
* our pious and sanctimonious are in a frenzy about the "rights" of
this third world garbage.
Great Nations simply have interests which they must understand and
protect; otherwise they fade into the dustbin of history.
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A new solution.
too funny :laugh:
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As if Boeing didnt have enough worries. Insulation blankets for the MAX among other parts come from Mexico. Many industries rely on suppliers in Mexico.
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As if Boeing didnt have enough worries. Insulation blankets for the MAX among other parts come from Mexico. Many industries rely on suppliers in Mexico.
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Hmm............so corporate greed is more important than our sovereign rights???
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Just line up the cropdusters, and load them with a nice crowd control agent (aka tear gas).
Apply to large crowds mobbing the border.
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Hmm............so corporate greed is more important than our sovereign rights???
Not talking about corporate greed, I’m talking about the economy and jobs of Americans. Not good for his re-election if it tanks because of this. I can understand his passion, but think this one out carefully if he is talking a full closure.
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There are also small retail businesses (shops, restaurants, etc.) which depend on border traffic every day. What are they going to do?
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There are also small retail businesses (shops, restaurants, etc.) which depend on border traffic every day. What are they going to do?
Over a million people cross the border LEGALLY every day, both ways. It is the busiest border in the world.
As I said in the other thread, shutting it down completely is akin to liberals wanting to ban all guns- only law abiding gun owners follow the law, the criminals don't. It would just create a vacuum for more crime. The cartels would love this.
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Now with more Poll Goodness.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,356543.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,356543.0.html)
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As if Boeing didnt have enough worries. Insulation blankets for the MAX among other parts come from Mexico. Many industries rely on suppliers in Mexico.
@NavyCanDo ??? Boeing and insulation blankets is the very least of our worries. I'd much rather go without than lose the sovereignty of our country. You mean to tell me, that things can't be made in the good ole USA? Remember back when Walmart's pledge was made in the U.S.A.? Boom our own economy. Become more self-sustaining. Put up a huge middle finger to those countries who are invading!
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@NavyCanDo ??? Boeing and insulation blankets is the very least of our worries. I'd much rather go without than lose the sovereignty of our country. You mean to tell me, that things can't be made in the good ole USA? Remember back when Walmart's pledge was made in the U.S.A.? Boom our own economy. Become more self-sustaining. Put up a huge middle finger to those countries who are invading!
Back when Ross Perot was talking about the "great sucking sound", ERTL toys, and a host of auto parts manufacturers moved out of what is now the rust belt to Mexico. Americans lost jobs wholesale. Sure, those things could be made here.
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Not talking about corporate greed, I’m talking about the economy and jobs of Americans. Not good for his re-election if it tanks because of this. I can understand his passion, but think this one out carefully if he is talking a full closure.
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But I'm talking about corporate greed and the hustlers who
bitch about closing the border shutting down their cash flow.
Repeating, our Sovereign Right is infinitely more critical than
their wallets!!!
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Closing the border also shuts down trade @libertybele and that hurts both sides of the border so the President has to weigh this decision carefully.
Pretty easy to spot who gets hurt more. And Mexico is a lot more dependent on these exports as a % of GDP
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Pretty easy to spot who gets hurt more. And Mexico is a lot more dependent on these exports as a % of GDP
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Thanks for the info.
I hope no one thought that the wall would be the solution to everything that ails illegal immigration. Tough choices have to be made including the affect that it may have on our economy short term.
Our immigration system is broken. Existing laws need to be enforced. New immigration laws are needed. A wall is needed to assist border patrol, etc.
One thing is for sure, doing nothing and letting things remain status quo will kill any chance of retaining our Republic.
We can easily plant produce that we get from Mexico here in the U.S. --- perhaps we will have a few months without watermelon and cantaloupe, but I'm sure indoor greenhouse facilities can be built for the future and IMHO, it may be a little more expensive, but probably much cleaner. When it's all said and done, perhaps will be exporting more of our produce and goods to other countries instead of Mexico being the exporter!
We have car manufacturing facilities that are standing idle, and we can make electrical parts here.
NAFTA was a disaster. Close the border. Save our sovereignty!!!
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Thanks for the info.
I hope no one thought that the wall would be the solution to everything that ails illegal immigration. Tough choices have to be made including the affect that it may have on our economy short term.
Our immigration system is broken. Existing laws need to be enforced. New immigration laws are needed. A wall is needed to assist border patrol, etc.
One thing is for sure, doing nothing and letting things remain status quo will kill any chance of retaining our Republic.
We can easily plant produce that we get from Mexico here in the U.S. --- perhaps we will have a few months without watermelon and cantaloupe, but I'm sure indoor greenhouse facilities can be built for the future and IMHO, it may be a little more expensive, but probably much cleaner. When it's all said and done, perhaps will be exporting more of our produce and goods to other countries instead of Mexico being the exporter!
We have car manufacturing facilities that are standing idle, and we can make electrical parts here.
NAFTA was a disaster. Close the border. Save our sovereignty!!!
And we just go along as if there is absolutely nothing wrong in Latin America. When will the world acknowledge that Guatemala and Honduras are nearly a lost cause? That Mexico is run by the drug Cartel. We are trying to maintain normal economic relations with failed states. These countries will soon be completely lost to drug cartel and gang violence. And we pretend that we can absorb all of their citizens and somehow they will still exist and there will be trade with them.
Politicians are good at pointing to asylum law as a fix all but what becomes of the countries these people are coming from? Shouldn't we be addressing this? The UN? I know the UN is useless but they could at least acknowledge that allowing all the citizens of these countries to leave is unrealistic and allows the problem to grow. Democrats just pretend that absorbing all of Latin America's people is our duty. We are not helping them. We definitely are not helping ourselves.
Solutions need to be drawn to address what is driving the migration to the US. Its a world problem as much as Syria or any other Middle East conflict that is driving migration. And we are importing these countries problems into our own.
This is/was the Mexican reality election 2018. We cannot presume that the current president of Mexico is not installed by the Cartel.
https://www.newsweek.com/mexican-drug-cartels-warn-politicians-drop-out-or-be-killed-presidential-890629 (https://www.newsweek.com/mexican-drug-cartels-warn-politicians-drop-out-or-be-killed-presidential-890629)
The reality in Honduras.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/honduras (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/honduras)
Ignoring the problem won't make it go away. Ignoring that we are allowing drug cartels to operate in America and drive more migration will only result in America turning into the same shit hole on the other side of our border.
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And we just go along as if there is absolutely nothing wrong in Latin America. When will the world acknowledge that Guatemala and Honduras are nearly a lost cause? That Mexico is run by the drug Cartel. We are trying to maintain normal economic relations with failed states. These countries will soon be completely lost to drug cartel and gang violence. And we pretend that we can absorb all of their citizens and somehow they will still exist and there will be trade with them.
Politicians are good at pointing to asylum law as a fix all but what becomes of the countries these people are coming from? Shouldn't we be addressing this. The UN? I know the UN is useless but they could at least acknowledge that allowing all the citizens of these countries to leave is unrealistic and allows the problem to grow. Democrats just pretend that absorbing all of Latin America's people is our duty. We are not helping them. We definitely are not helping ourselves.
Solutions need to be drawn to address what is driving the migration to the US. Its a world problem as much as Syria or any other Middle East conflict that is driving migration. And we are importing these countries problems into our own.
Ain't just Democrats.
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Ain't just Democrats.
I'm extremely excited by your mustache.
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And we just go along as if there is absolutely nothing wrong in Latin America. When will the world acknowledge that Guatemala and Honduras are nearly a lost cause? That Mexico is run by the drug Cartel. We are trying to maintain normal economic relations with failed states. These countries will soon be completely lost to drug cartel and gang violence. And we pretend that we can absorb all of their citizens and somehow they will still exist and there will be trade with them.
Politicians are good at pointing to asylum law as a fix all but what becomes of the countries these people are coming from? Shouldn't we be addressing this? The UN? I know the UN is useless but they could at least acknowledge that allowing all the citizens of these countries to leave is unrealistic and allows the problem to grow. Democrats just pretend that absorbing all of Latin America's people is our duty. We are not helping them. We definitely are not helping ourselves.
Solutions need to be drawn to address what is driving the migration to the US. Its a world problem as much as Syria or any other Middle East conflict that is driving migration. And we are importing these countries problems into our own.
This is/was the Mexican reality election 2018. We cannot presume that the current president of Mexico is not installed by the Cartel.
https://www.newsweek.com/mexican-drug-cartels-warn-politicians-drop-out-or-be-killed-presidential-890629 (https://www.newsweek.com/mexican-drug-cartels-warn-politicians-drop-out-or-be-killed-presidential-890629)
The reality in Honduras.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/honduras (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/honduras)
Ignoring the problem won't make it go away. Ignoring that we are allowing drug cartels to operate in America and drive more migration will only result in America turning into the same shit hole on the other side of our border.
Immigration reform is desperately needed. The whole problem is that these people are breaking the wrong laws. We need to put in place the right laws for them to break.
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Immigration reform is desperately needed. The whole problem is that these people are breaking the wrong laws. We need to put in place the right laws for them to break.
Chosen daughter scratches head! Make laws to break laws. Sounds like a song. A sad one for the U.S.
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Well, THIS week is here. Waiting patiently to see what happens (if anything).
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Well, THIS week is here. Waiting patiently to see what happens (if anything).
I caught some whinging on FOX about how it'd be too expensive to close the border.
Mexico needs to close theirs instead of being the pass through entity for this invasion. If it takes an economic hit to get Mexico's attention, do it.
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I caught some whinging on FOX about how it'd be too expensive to close the border.
Mexico needs to close theirs instead of being the pass through entity for this invasion. If it takes an economic hit to get Mexico's attention, do it.
Well, we have a lot of hot air and threats coming from Trump, but his inaction continues to speak volumes. (I know here come the arrows and poison darts from his staunch supporters).
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Well, we have a lot of hot air and threats coming from Trump, but his inaction continues to speak volumes. (I know here come the arrows and poison darts from his staunch supporters).
It is a legitimate criticism. He did the same thing with wall funding. In the end the pentagon found over 12 billion, now he just has to get it built. Closing the border is going to cause real problems for a lot of businesses and will hurt the economy, but in the end he has got to follow through.
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It is a legitimate criticism. He did the same thing with wall funding. In the end the pentagon found over 12 billion, now he just has to get it built. Closing the border is going to cause real problems for a lot of businesses and will hurt the economy, but in the end he has got to follow through.
The longer he waits the worse its getting.
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It is a legitimate criticism. He did the same thing with wall funding. In the end the pentagon found over 12 billion, now he just has to get it built. Closing the border is going to cause real problems for a lot of businesses and will hurt the economy, but in the end he has got to follow through.
It will hurt Mexico more, percentage wise, and the Mexican Government has failed to secure its borders, instead choosing to act as a pass through entity for the invaders. If they'd do their part, these Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, etc. would not be showing up on our doorstep.
A spanking is in order.
If the Cartels are running their show, it'll slow down their trade too.
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Well, we have a lot of hot air and threats coming from Trump, but his inaction continues to speak volumes. (I know here come the arrows and poison darts from his staunch supporters).
Why does he say this stuff? You would think that he would know the cost before he opens his mouth.
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Noone has a clue @Chosen Daughter
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Noone has a clue @Chosen Daughter
It's quite amazing that so many people are still oblivious to the situation or are in denial.
The problem is here. It's not going to go away on its own. There has been several confirmations that there is indeed a crisis at the border, yet, here we sit. Still nothing is being done. 9999hair out0000
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@libertybele
The latest tonight, 11:26 pm is, White House says Trump won't close border until he sees what happens this week. He goes to the border this coming Friday.
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@libertybele
The latest tonight, 11:26 pm is, White House says Trump won't close border until he sees what happens this week. He goes to the border this coming Friday.
Thanks for that information. So, in other words, he's pushing closing the border out another week. What is he waiting to see? How many thousands more will border patrol let in?? How many more caravans can form and be headed our way? Hopefully he truly doesn't believe that Mexico is actually going to do something.
IMHO, he has absolutely no intention of closing the border. He declared a national emergency now, how long ago??
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We are officially past a week from the original goalpost.
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@ABX
It appears he has put off closing the border for a year, giving Mexico a year to deal with drugs. Maybe the illegal crossings are also being put off for a year as he hasn't talked about closing the border since he gave the one year speech. Or, he will close it tomorrow.....
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Quit talking about it,and DO IT,you freaking gasbag!
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How about the wall, and NOT shoot them dead?
@truth_seeker
How about BOTH,if need be?
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It will hurt Mexico more, percentage wise, and the Mexican Government has failed to secure its borders, instead choosing to act as a pass through entity for the invaders. If they'd do their part, these Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, etc. would not be showing up on our doorstep.
A spanking is in order.
If the Cartels are running their show, it'll slow down their trade too.
I completely agree.
It's frustrating to watch Trump threaten to take action and then not follow through. He finally pushed forward on the wall funding when it became clear he would lose his base if he didn't. Trump is such a breath of fresh air in so many ways. If he's asked a question he answers it, but his follow through lags. Is it because he doesn't have enough support from within the Pub party, or that he is so ahead of the curve he has to wait for others to catch up? I don't know, maybe it's a combination of both.
I do know we are better off with Trump than not. I liked Cruz a lot more, didn't trust Trump, but he has pretty much stayed true to what he said he would do if elected.
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Let me say first that I'm a Trump supporter.
But I'm tired of talk like this.
That is to say, threats that aren't backed up by action.
Don't talk, Mr. Trump.
JUST DO IT.
Send the troops (tens of thousands, whatever you can scrape together) down there en masse.
CLOSE the border with the statement that it will REMAIN closed (including all commercial and private traffic, including trucks and trains) until a better system of control can be put into place.
ORDER the Army to begin building "a barrier" as an aid to enforcement.
But just STOP TALKING and START DOING SOMETHING.
We can't survive this much longer.
@Fishrrman
Yeah,that. ALL of it. It will probably hurt our economy a little for a week or two,but it will hurt Mexico more,and you can bet they will start culling out the illegals for it in order to get it opened again.
There ain't no such thing in the world as a free lunch. Ask the chicken you just ate if you don't believe me. EVERYTHING has a cost,and we need to stop this nonsense before the cost gets even higher and completely destroys our economy.
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Why does he say this stuff? You would think that he would know the cost before he opens his mouth.
I don't think so. He's obviously very bright. He's spent his whole life changing the environment around him by shear will. He's built buildings and resorts all over the world even though he always had opposition. I hope he doesn't change though. It's very frustrating, but he has done more to raise the issue of immigration and the need for a major overhaul, not just a wall, than the previous 4 presidents combined.
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As if Boeing didnt have enough worries. Insulation blankets for the MAX among other parts come from Mexico. Many industries rely on suppliers in Mexico.
@NavyCanDo
So what? Are you saying corporate profits are more important than national sovereignty?
Closing down the borders to illegal aliens does NOT mean we have to close them down to legitimate users,like businesses. These businesses can ship and receive their goods via tractor-trailer shipments,which the border patrol can easily scan for illegal aliens or drugs.
Passenger vehicles that deliver Mexican workers to the US each day can be issued permits for the windshield that can be scanned to insure they aren't counterfeited,and the workers in them can display their ID's and permits. So it slows the process down some. So what?
You do NOT have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The left is just trying to confuse this issue so they don't lose future welfare parasites that vote Dim.
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@Fishrrman
Yeah,that. ALL of it. It will probably hurt our economy a little for a week or two,but it will hurt Mexico more,and you can bet they will start culling out the illegals for it in order to get it opened again.
There ain't no such thing in the world as a free lunch. Ask the chicken you just ate if you don't believe me. EVERYTHING has a cost,and we need to stop this nonsense before the cost gets even higher and completely destroys our economy.
It will hurt a lot more than most people realize. It's probably why he hasn't had more support from Pub Senators.
All that being said, I still would like to see him follow through. We can't take in an unending flow of people who come with no skills and no desire to become an asset to the country, or a part of it.
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It will hurt a lot more than most people realize. It's probably why he hasn't had more support from Pub Senators.
@bilo
I doubt it. The one thing all businesses hate is change because it brings in unknowns. The border can be shut to those with no licenses to enter or do business with Americans,and the economic impact would be zero,since those people aren't paying taxes anyhow.
As for the others,they would have no trouble getting permits.
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It will hurt a lot more than most people realize. It's probably why he hasn't had more support from Pub Senators.
All that being said, I still would like to see him follow through. We can't take in an unending flow of people who come with no skills and no desire to become an asset to the country, or a part of it.
As Trump rages over border, Kushner quietly plans legal immigration boost
Hard-line activists are ready to oppose any move to expand immigration.
By ANITA KUMAR 04/03/2019 05:02 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/jared-kushner-expand-legal-immigration-1249950 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/jared-kushner-expand-legal-immigration-1249950)
Excerpt:
One focus of Kushner’s group are guest worker visas, the news service said.
Those visas are critical to business because they allow CEOs and investors to reduce wages paid to middle class, college educated Americans.
Currently, there are at least 1.5 million visa workers holding white-collar jobs which are sought by new American graduates and seasoned professionals. The visa workers arrive via the H-1B, L1, OPT, CPT, O-1, TN, H4EAD, and other visa programs, and they have created a mobile, contingent workforce which reduces the marketplace pressure on companies to raise salaries paid to college educated Americans or to hire new American graduates.
But these programs also impose political costs on GOP candidates. An April 2018 study argued that white-collar immigration pushes American college graduates away from the GOP. “Our strongest and most significant finding is that an increase in high-skilled immigrants as a share of the local population is associated with a strong and significant decrease in the vote share for the Republican Party,†said the report, authored by pro-migration economist Giovanni Peri, Anna Maria Mayda, a Georgetown University professor, and Walter Steingress, an economist at the Bank of Canada.
In 2018, many suburban college graduate voters switched from GOP to back Democrats. The losing candidates included Kansas Rep. Kevin Yoder who was pushing a plan to award many more green cards to Indian visa workers.
Business groups and Democrats tout skewed polls that prod Americans to declare support for migrants and for the claim that the United States is an economy-expanding “Nation of Immigrants,†not a nation of Americans.
The alternative “priority or fairness†polls — as well as the 2016 election — show that voters put a much higher priority on helping their families, neighbors, and fellow nationals get decent jobs in a globalized, high-immigration economy.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/21/mcclatchy-jared-kushner-asks-business-for-immigration-plan/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/21/mcclatchy-jared-kushner-asks-business-for-immigration-plan/)
Trump is a complete sellout to corporations and th Koch brothers. People need to realize this before the next election. Trump speaks with forked tongue. I guess it should be no surprise that Ivanka is encouraging Americans not to invest in college.
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As Trump rages over border, Kushner quietly plans legal immigration boost
Hard-line activists are ready to oppose any move to expand immigration.
By ANITA KUMAR 04/03/2019 05:02 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/jared-kushner-expand-legal-immigration-1249950 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/03/jared-kushner-expand-legal-immigration-1249950)
Excerpt:
One focus of Kushner’s group are guest worker visas, the news service said.
Those visas are critical to business because they allow CEOs and investors to reduce wages paid to middle class, college educated Americans.
Currently, there are at least 1.5 million visa workers holding white-collar jobs which are sought by new American graduates and seasoned professionals. The visa workers arrive via the H-1B, L1, OPT, CPT, O-1, TN, H4EAD, and other visa programs, and they have created a mobile, contingent workforce which reduces the marketplace pressure on companies to raise salaries paid to college educated Americans or to hire new American graduates.
But these programs also impose political costs on GOP candidates. An April 2018 study argued that white-collar immigration pushes American college graduates away from the GOP. “Our strongest and most significant finding is that an increase in high-skilled immigrants as a share of the local population is associated with a strong and significant decrease in the vote share for the Republican Party,†said the report, authored by pro-migration economist Giovanni Peri, Anna Maria Mayda, a Georgetown University professor, and Walter Steingress, an economist at the Bank of Canada.
In 2018, many suburban college graduate voters switched from GOP to back Democrats. The losing candidates included Kansas Rep. Kevin Yoder who was pushing a plan to award many more green cards to Indian visa workers.
Business groups and Democrats tout skewed polls that prod Americans to declare support for migrants and for the claim that the United States is an economy-expanding “Nation of Immigrants,†not a nation of Americans.
The alternative “priority or fairness†polls — as well as the 2016 election — show that voters put a much higher priority on helping their families, neighbors, and fellow nationals get decent jobs in a globalized, high-immigration economy.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/21/mcclatchy-jared-kushner-asks-business-for-immigration-plan/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/21/mcclatchy-jared-kushner-asks-business-for-immigration-plan/)
Trump is a complete sellout to corporations and th Koch brothers. People need to realize this before the next election. Trump speaks with forked tongue. I guess it should be no surprise that Ivanka is encouraging Americans not to invest in college.
Kushner is despicable and should have never been granted the security clearance that he has. Plain and simple, he stands to profit off the border crisis going forward and so does Trump.
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Kushner is despicable and should have never been granted the security clearance that he has. Plain and simple, he stands to profit off the border crisis going forward and so does Trump.
You would have to believe that it is a White House divided. Trump for American workers and Kushner for Koch brothers and their pro business RINO's. I don't buy it. Trump has abandoned the American worker. More likely it was smoke and mirror "Art of the Deal" lies that he pushed on the American people to get elected. His inaction for all this time tells the true story. Not only that but the last Amnesty bill he signed, and now giving Mexico a year to fill US with more crime, drugs and illegal aliens. Plain and simple Trump has scammed the American people. And now his hope is to appeal to Democrats and the Hispanics. Surprise! Not.
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You would have to believe that it is a White House divided. Trump for American workers and Kushner for Koch brothers and their pro business RINO's. I don't buy it. Trump has abandoned the American worker. More likely it was smoke and mirror "Art of the Deal" lies that he pushed on the American people to get elected. His inaction for all this time tells the true story. Not only that but the last Amnesty bill he signed, and now giving Mexico a year to fill US with more crime, drugs and illegal aliens. Plain and simple Trump has scammed the American people. And now his hope is to appeal to Democrats and the Hispanics. Surprise! Not.
I suspect you're right, but I also keep in mind that we only see a small part of what is really going on. For all we know, he might have gotten Mexico to quietly agree to make some concessions behind the scenes that they don't want made public.
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I suspect you're right, but I also keep in mind that we only see a small part of what is really going on. For all we know, he might have gotten Mexico to quietly agree to make some concessions behind the scenes that they don't want made public.
Trump keeping things behind the scenes? Impossible.
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(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/gettyimages-1126235802.jpg)
Somehow I don't think this guy is worried about this.
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I don't understand why Mexico can't exercise sovereignty over it's territory when Trump has lead the way for America and shown them how
...by tweeting victory! :patriot:
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I am reminded of the Parable about the Nanny who threatened to throw the baby to the wolves for crying too much.
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Next year,next week,tomorrow,or maybe even yesterday.
WTF???????
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Next year,next week,tomorrow,or maybe even yesterday.
WTF???????
Next day without a 'y' in it....
Guaranteed bigly!
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Next day without a 'y' in it....
Guaranteed bigly!
@Smokin Joe
Maybe in a New Yawk Minute?
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@Smokin Joe
Maybe in a New Yawk Minute?
(Don't hold your breath waiting for it!)
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Next day without a 'y' in it....
Guaranteed bigly!
He's already announced that he's pushing it out till next year. Hundreds of thousands more could easily come through. He has FAILED on this issue BIGLY!
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He's already announced that he's pushing it out till next year. Hundreds of thousands more could easily come through. He has FAILED on this issue BIGLY!
Any more red lines in the sand and he's going to need an Environmental Impact Statement.
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So...people screamed when he said he was going to close the border, and now there's screaming because it's not gonna happen. "Heads I win, tails you lose."
Anybody who really thought he was going to "close" the border to commerce was a fool to think he ws really going to do it. Am I the only person who thought that?
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So...people screamed when he said he was going to close the border, and now there's screaming because it's not gonna happen. "Heads I win, tails you lose."
Anybody who really thought he was going to "close" the border to commerce was a fool to think he ws really going to do it. Am I the only person who thought that?
Some people screamed when he said he was going to close the border, and now some people are screaming because it's not gonna happen. But are they the same people?
If anyone who thought he was going to follow through was a fool, why did he make the threat? What's the saying about not giving an order you know won't be obeyed? I'm sure you're not the only one who puts no faith in his threats.
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Bottom line, Trump has zero credibility left. None. Nadda. Zip. 888mouth
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Bottom line, Trump has zero credibility left. None. Nadda. Zip. 888mouth
@libertybele
He speaks at the moment what he thinks people want to hear. Later that day, speaking to another group, he speaks what he think they want to hear, the next day t another group, he speaks what he thinks they want to hear. So, he doesn't have a definite position on anything. The Wall worked during the campaign, but that was talk designed for votes - he really doesn't care if anything gets done except his reelection. He should at least try to get something done at the border, so he can claim victory and get votes.
I found it amusing that a section of old Wall that was redone, he went there this past week. The plaque was put on there in Oct. Here it is:
https://secondnexus.com/news/trump-plaque-southern-border-wall-conway/
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@libertybele
So, he doesn't have a definite position on anything. The Wall worked during the campaign, but that was talk designed for votes - he really doesn't care if anything gets done except his reelection.
How can so seasoned a professional who tells us she's superbly educated in the art of human behavior get the President's motivation so patently wrong @Victoria33 ?
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How can so seasoned a professional who tells us she's superbly educated in the art of human behavior get the President's motivation so patently wrong @Victoria33 ?
@Right_in_Virginia, spending all day posting Trump fan articles doesn’t mean you have special insight into the man. I know y’all like to think you do, but he’s a stranger to you same as the rest of us.
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Unless something happens, I seriously believe more illegals will enter America under Trump in 4 years than Obama in 8. When you build your campaign on building a wall and all your supporters believed it would happen just as fast as he said it would, it doesn't bode well for a strong second term campaign.
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Unless something happens, I seriously believe more illegals will enter America under Trump in 4 years than Obama in 8. When you build your campaign on building a wall and all your supporters believed it would happen just as fast as he said it would, it doesn't bode well for a strong second term campaign.
Trumps campaign was detrimental to this country. Its was the rhetoric without action that drives caravans. They knows that he was empty promises. Its the signal to migrants wanting to enter illegal. There is nothing standing in the way. They are paying attention.
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So...people screamed when he said he was going to close the border, and now there's screaming because it's not gonna happen. "Heads I win, tails you lose."
@Cyber Liberty
I laughed both times...
but to be fair I laughed when Trump signed the last budget and said with a straight face...“After 36 days of spirited debate and dialogue, I have heard from enough Democrats and Republicans that they are willing to put partisanship aside — I think — and put the security of the American people first.†- https://www.federaltimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/01/25/trump-drops-wall-funding-demand-reaches-deal-to-end-the-government-shutdown/ (https://www.federaltimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/01/25/trump-drops-wall-funding-demand-reaches-deal-to-end-the-government-shutdown/)
And I laughed when he told his supporters to start chanting "Finish the Wall."
(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2019/02/13/13-trump-finish-the-wall.w1200.h630.jpg)
Tomorrow he will say Keep America Great. #KAG - You Never Had It So Good. Some voters, some actually very smart voters, will believe him. Me ? I dunno but the President is hilarious.
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@Cyber Liberty
I laughed both times...
but to be fair I laughed when Trump signed the last budget and said with a straight face...“After 36 days of spirited debate and dialogue, I have heard from enough Democrats and Republicans that they are willing to put partisanship aside — I think — and put the security of the American people first.†- https://www.federaltimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/01/25/trump-drops-wall-funding-demand-reaches-deal-to-end-the-government-shutdown/ (https://www.federaltimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/01/25/trump-drops-wall-funding-demand-reaches-deal-to-end-the-government-shutdown/)
And I laughed when he told his supporters to start chanting "Finish the Wall."
(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2019/02/13/13-trump-finish-the-wall.w1200.h630.jpg)
Tomorrow he will say Keep America Great. #KAG - You Never Had It So Good. Some voters, some actually very smart voters, will believe him. Me ? I dunno but the President is hilarious.
I'll bet you weren't enough of a fool to believe he'd actually do it. true?
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How can so seasoned a professional who tells us she's superbly educated in the art of human behavior get the President's motivation so patently wrong @Victoria33 ?
Why can't you defend the President instead insulting @Victoria33 ? I think it is because there is no defense to the President's flip flopped positions, and betrayals. I suspect you think the President is playing 7th dimensional chess. Correct me if I'm wrong. I suspect if I walked in your shoes and saw the world through your eyes I would agree.
I did not.
I see a senile and vain President who is making the problem worse. I will be thankful when he is replaced by VP Pence...or almost anybody.
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I'll bet you weren't enough of a fool to believe he'd actually do it. true?
I'm unsure about many things, but I did not think he would be allowed to close the border.
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I'm unsure about many things, but I did not think he would be allowed to close the border.
I don't know if he would be allowed to, but I knew he would not do it.
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I don't know if he would be allowed to, but I knew he would not do it.
Was that like "Mexico will pay for the Wall" or "I could shoot a guy on 5th Ave" for you?
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Why can't you defend the President instead insulting @Victoria33 ? I think it is because there is no defense to the President's flip flopped positions, and betrayals. I suspect you think the President is playing 7th dimensional chess. Correct me if I'm wrong. I suspect if I walked in your shoes and saw the world through your eyes I would agree.
I did not.
I see a senile and vain President who is making the problem worse. I will be thankful when he is replaced by VP Pence...or almost anybody.
I think that Jared Kushner is running the country. Why Trump is all talk. When Jared gets wind of Trump making promises he reels him in.
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I think that Jared Kushner is running the country. Why Trump is all talk. When Jared gets wind of Trump making promises he reels him in.
I think even Trump doesn't control Trump. Trump being a puppet of Kushner would be a relief for me. I don't think Kushner is an idiot. Perhaps I think that because he usually doesn't say much, so I can give him a better benefit of the doubt. Trump talks all the time. It is easier to gauge his abilities.
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Was that like "Mexico will pay for the Wall" or "I could shoot a guy on 5th Ave" for you?
Yes. Twice. I wish I had a nickel for every time I knew a politician is lying to me.
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I think even Trump doesn't control Trump. Trump being a puppet of Kushner would be a relief for me. I don't think Kushner is an idiot. Perhaps I think that because he usually doesn't say much, so I can give him a better benefit of the doubt. Trump talks all the time. It is easier to gauge his abilities.
To me, Donald Trump was like landing on "Chance" or "Community Chest." Sometimes I have to roll the dice and pray.
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Yes. Twice. I wish I had a nickel for every time I knew a politician is lying to me.
I have a check list.
1. Did he tell me what I wanted to hear?
2. Did he tell me that it was also what everybody else wanted?
3. Did he offer a powerful conspiracy that had fooled all the dumb people?
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I have a check list.
1. Did he tell me what I wanted to hear?
2. Did he tell me that it was also what everybody else wanted?
3. Did he offer a powerful conspiracy that had fooled all the dumb people?
I don't know about #3 (I reject conspiracy theories), but the first two send flares up for me, big time. I am not a trusting sort.
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Trumps campaign was detrimental to this country. Its was the rhetoric without action that drives caravans. They knows that he was empty promises. Its the signal to migrants wanting to enter illegal. There is nothing standing in the way. They are paying attention.
@Chosen Daughter
Yeah,it looks like Trump sucks as bad at protecting America as the Bush Crime Family.
So back off on your little "superiority dance". At least the Trump supporters THOUGHT he was going to close the border. NOBODY ever even suspected Poppy or Boy Jorge would even be interested in trying.
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To me, Donald Trump was like landing on "Chance" or "Community Chest." Sometimes I have to roll the dice and pray.
@Cyber Liberty
True. While I do admit to having my hopes up that he would seal the border to illegals and cut down on the number of visas,I knew he would be no worse than the Bush Crime Family or any of the usual alleged Republican suspects.
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Unless something happens, I seriously believe more illegals will enter America under Trump in 4 years than Obama in 8. When you build your campaign on building a wall and all your supporters believed it would happen just as fast as he said it would, it doesn't bode well for a strong second term campaign.
@NavyCanDo
Yes, Trump started a race to our border by those who want in before he shuts down the border. He was so loud and often saying he was building a wall to stop people coming and Mexico would pay for it, that people started heading to our border. "Get in before it closes."
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@Cyber Liberty
True. While I do admit to having my hopes up that he would seal the border to illegals and cut down on the number of visas,I knew he would be no worse than the Bush Crime Family or any of the usual alleged Republican suspects.
And therein lies much of the disappointment with Trump. He was always sold as being different -- a guy who would get things done. Trump and the Republicans had 2 years of the trifecta -- both houses of congress and the presidency -- to fulfill their promises regarding the border and all the other issues. They did squat. In that Trump is no different from the other party fat cats.
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To all the usual suspects on this thread ... here's what will solve all your problems and lower your anxiety level: Appoint Donald J. Trump king.
Close the border: check; frog march migrants back into Mexico, starting with women and children: check; round up illegals in all fifty states and bus them back to their nation of origin--use of weapons acceptable: check; tell the courts to go bleep themselves: check; build a fifty foot concrete wall along the southern border and California: check. Shoot any elected official who disagrees with this: check.
There. Done and done. All we needed was a king.
Edit: I just read you post above @Applewood .... Here's the best solution. Truly. Trust me. This representative republic with three co-equal branches of government just isn't working anymore.
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To all the usual suspects on this thread ... here's what will solve all your problems and lower your anxiety level: Appoint Donald J. Trump king.
Close the border: check; frog march migrants back into Mexico, starting with women and children: check; round up illegals in all fifty states and bus them back to their nation of origin--use of weapons acceptable: check; tell the courts to go bleep themselves: check; build a fifty foot concrete wall along the southern border and California: check. Shoot any elected official who disagrees with this: check.
There. Done and done. All we needed was a king.
As usual, @Right_in_Virginia you win the prize for most ridiculous post of the day. Congrats! happy77
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@NavyCanDo
Yes, Trump started a race to our border by those who want in before he shuts down the border. He was so loud and often saying he was building a wall to stop people coming and Mexico would pay for it, that people started heading to our border. "Get in before it closes."
888high58888 :patriot: The caravans keep coming because they now realize that he hasn't built a wall, isn't going to shut down the border and that our border patrol is overwhelmed. Now it's easier to enter illegally than ever! In Trump's reign the U.S.A. has experienced the greatest influx of illegals in history! Deportations are lower now than under the past 2 administrations. Not exactly a deterrent for an invasion. He also just announced that they have another year to come here before he'll take action. So, what's stopping the invasion? NOTHING!!
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Edit: I just read you post above @Applewood .... Here's the best solution. Truly. Trust me. This representative republic with three co-equal branches of government just isn't working anymore.
My dear, it seems to me that is what Trump and his fans want. A king, not a republic.
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As usual, @Right_in_Virginia you win the prize for most ridiculous post of the day. Congrats!
A king IS the only thing that will please you @libertybele You clearly have no appreciation for or understanding of our system of government. You just want what you were promised .... and you want it now. The good news is the President wants to give it to you ... so clear away the marbles on the floor and make him King.
Absent this, may I suggest you think before you type another rant. They're starting to lower the average IQ in Brieferville.
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A king IS the only thing that will please you @libertybele You clearly have no appreciation for or understanding of our system of government. You just want what you were promised .... and you want it now. The good news is the President wants to give it to you ... so clear away the marbles on the floor and make him King.
Absent this, may I suggest you think before you type another rant. They're starting to lower the average IQ in Brieferville.
Wow. Yet another ridiculous post with false assumptions, accusations and insinuations. It's pathetic and almost humorous to watch Trumper's trying to defend a President who has FAILED on this issue! :rolling:
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My dear, it seems to me that is what Trump and his fans want. A king, not a republic.
@Applewood
You clearly haven't been paying any attention or you would realize we have had Kings ever since King Franklin the Worse took office. Ever since then it has been one King Dim or King Republican,crowned by the Party People ever since.
Ronald Reagan is the only possible exception I can think of. His election caught them by surprise,much like Trump's election.
Trump was probably our last chance to break that stranglehold.
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Member wrote:
"How can so seasoned a professional who tells us she's superbly educated in the art of human behavior get the President's motivation so patently wrong @Victoria33 ?"
Once-Ler wrote: Why can't you defend the President instead insulting @Victoria33 ? I think it is because there is no defense to the President's flip flopped positions, and betrayals. I suspect you think the President is playing 7th dimensional chess. Correct me if I'm wrong. I suspect if I walked in your shoes and saw the world through your eyes I would agree. I did not.
I see a senile and vain President who is making the problem worse. I will be thankful when he is replaced by VP Pence...or almost anybody.
@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Once-Ler, Thanks for your post. That member follows me and makes derisive comments about me personally instead of speaking to the subject. I don't read her posts unless someone else posts them. She said, "who tells us she's superbly educated in the art of human behavior". I have never written the word, "superbly" on this forum until right now, so I could not have said in the past I am "superbly educated". That was another snarky, nasty dig she does with members, but she especially likes to dig me. That member is "superbly educated" in writing snark posts to members.
Again, I have her on Ignore and do not open her posts, so she is wasting her time writing them, except she wants others to agree with her to start a word fight. I don't do word fights.
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@libertybele
It's called "projection." Why do you think Trump fans get all excited when their hero talks about such things as curbing freedom of the press? They think if Trump was free of the constraints of our Constitution -- including congress -- then he would really get things done.
Trouble is, Trump would still not accomplish anything -- because like the others in his party, he has no intention of doing so. It's all a fantasy, a reality tv show, Nothing is real.
Sadly, even after being hornswoggled by their hero, Trump fans still won't admit it. Now the theme is, re-elect Trump and this time he will really do what he promised. This time it will be different. This is why he is putting off closing the border. Re-elect him next year and then he will do it. Same with Obamacare -- wait till next year after Trump is re-elected.
If he and his fellow Republicans squandered their advantage and did nothing for four years, why do Trump supporters think things will get done if Trump is re-elected?
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@libertybele
It's called "projection." Why do you think Trump fans get all excited when their hero talks about such things as curbing freedom of the press? They think if Trump was free of the constraints of our Constitution -- including congress -- then he would really get things done.
Trouble is, Trump would still not accomplish anything -- because like the others in his party, he has no intention of doing so. It's all a fantasy, a reality tv show, Nothing is real.
Sadly, even after being hornswoggled by their hero, Trump fans still won't admit it. Now the theme is, re-elect Trump and this time he will really do what he promised. This time it will be different. This is why he is putting off closing the border. Re-elect him next year and then he will do it. Same with Obamacare -- wait till next year after Trump is re-elected.
If he and his fellow Republicans squandered their advantage and did nothing for four years, why do Trump supporters think things will get done if Trump is re-elected?
Exactly. It was never his intention to build a wall nor secure the borders. I'm bracing myself for his true intentions.
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@libertybele
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
Member said to you, "Absent this, may I suggest you think before you type another rant. They're starting to lower the average IQ in Brieferville."
You said, "Wow. Yet another ridiculous post with false assumptions, accusations and insinuations. It's pathetic and almost humorous to watch Trumper's trying to defend a President who has FAILED on this issue!"
I see that member post as saying people on this forum are lowering the IQ on this forum, as post said, "They're starting to lower the average IQ in Brieferville." @mystery-ak, do you think this forum is getting "Less Smart", as in IQs are going down? Of course not, that was another snarky, nasty dig she loves to do. Perhaps that member should leave this forum and go to one better suited to her supposed smarts. I could say if she left, the board IQ would go up. Eureka! That is it.! It was that member's IQ keeping us down! There is hope for the forum if that member leaves!
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For a wall vote, Flake and McCain might not have voted for it. I wouldn't be so sure, they could have pushed this through congress. That means Murkowski and Collins would have had to vote for it. A bit tricky.
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Let's stick to the topic and quit attacking other Briefers.
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@Chosen Daughter
Yeah,it looks like Trump sucks as bad at protecting America as the Bush Crime Family.
So back off on your little "superiority dance". At least the Trump supporters THOUGHT he was going to close the border. NOBODY ever even suspected Poppy or Boy Jorge would even be interested in trying.
I take no joy in the imbecile that Trump has shown himself to be. I would have been very happy if he had shown me wrong. I even thought I was going to get on the train once until Trump did what he does best. Waffle and make things worse.
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I take no joy in the imbecile that Trump has shown himself to be. I would have been very happy if he had shown me wrong. I even thought I was going to get on the train once until Trump did what he does best. Waffle and make things worse.
...hmm... @Chosen Daughter I don't believe he's an imbecile, I believe he is very smart and knows exactly what he's doing. Waiting till the last minute to push this issue when he knew he'd be met with the greatest opposition, making all kinds of threats that he's never followed through on, signing a bad bill, DACA amnesty, etc., were all calculated moves on his part. Again, it was never his intent to build a wall, nor secure our borders.
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I think that Jared Kushner is running the country. Why Trump is all talk. When Jared gets wind of Trump making promises he reels him in.
@Chosen Daughter
I also think Kushner is working behind the scenes, especially when it comes to Israel and other countries where he has done business. I don't know if he has enough "pull" with Trump to change or guide Trump's actions. Trump trusts no one but himself. I also read a while ago, he told this present chief of staff to get his children out of Washington, back to New York City, because they could not help him, they were a hindrance. I had wondered when he would turn on his family and now he has; in his mind, he is the only one in the world who is right all the time.
No matter the subject, from how nuclear weapons work, plus everything in the universe, Trump says he knows all about it, more than anyone, ever. That one statement, he knows more than anyone, he is the only one who can fix it, screams out Trump is mentally defective/unstable.
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I think that Jared Kushner is running the country. Why Trump is all talk. When Jared gets wind of Trump making promises he reels him in.
I hadn't thought of that, but it is a possibility and would certainly explain a lot of things.
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I think even Trump doesn't control Trump. Trump being a puppet of Kushner would be a relief for me. I don't think Kushner is an idiot. Perhaps I think that because he usually doesn't say much, so I can give him a better benefit of the doubt. Trump talks all the time. It is easier to gauge his abilities.
You are correct, Kushner isn't an idiot, but he is a corrupt leftist liberal globalist who should have never been granted the security clearances that he has. Nor should he be allowed to reside in the West Wing.
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@Chosen Daughter
I also think Kushner is working behind the scenes, especially when it comes to Israel and other countries where he has done business. I don't know if he has enough "pull" with Trump to change or guide Trump's actions. Trump trusts no one but himself. I also read a while ago, he told this present chief of staff to get his children out of Washington, back to New York City, because they could not help him, they were a hindrance. I had wondered when he would turn on his family and now he has; in his mind, he is the only one in the world who is right all the time.
No matter the subject, from how nuclear weapons work, plus everything in the universe, Trump says he knows all about it, more than anyone, ever. That one statement, he knows more than anyone, he is the only one who can fix it, screams out Trump is mentally defective/unstable.
It appears to me that, behind the scenes the Trump Family (including Kushner) is engaged in activity designed to ensure the accumulation of generational wealth before Trump leaves office. Trump's tweets are a convenient smokescreen for the benefit of his loyal supporters, to keep them in line in the face of nearly complete inaction on the border.
The revolving door of cabinet officials ensures that little is done at the agency level, making it easier for the Chamber of Commerce and K Street allies to influence (i.e. pay off Congressional allies and enrich Trump's friends) the direction of the Trump administration.
While managing by chaos may be temporarily effective in the private sector, it doesn't work with huge organizations such as the federal government, with their entrenched bureaucracies. How can one expect change at the Agency level, when it can be properly assumed that the "acting secretary" will be in office for perhaps six months?
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You are correct, Kushner isn't an idiot, but he is a corrupt leftist liberal globalist who should have never been granted the security clearances that he has. Nor should he be allowed to reside in the West Wing.
Kushner strikes me as being amoral, despite his professed religion.
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To all the usual suspects on this thread ... here's what will solve all your problems and lower your anxiety level: Appoint Donald J. Trump king.
Close the border: check; frog march migrants back into Mexico, starting with women and children: check; round up illegals in all fifty states and bus them back to their nation of origin--use of weapons acceptable: check; tell the courts to go bleep themselves: check; build a fifty foot concrete wall along the southern border and California: check. Shoot any elected official who disagrees with this: check.
There. Done and done. All we needed was a king.
Edit: I just read you post above @Applewood .... Here's the best solution. Truly. Trust me. This representative republic with three co-equal branches of government just isn't working anymore.
Well, @Right_in_Virginia, you’ve been voicing your own doubts about Trump elsewhere, though you don’t do so here. So by your own standard, you’re one of the “usual suspects.†Welcome to the club. 🥳
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Kushner strikes me as being amoral, despite his professed religion.
You mean.... like.... a JINO? lololol
There's a lot of that goin round these days.... unfortunately. People that profess to be something other than what they really are. That's the politics!
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@Applewood
You clearly haven't been paying any attention or you would realize we have had Kings ever since King Franklin the Worse took office. Ever since then it has been one King Dim or King Republican,crowned by the Party People ever since.
Ronald Reagan is the only possible exception I can think of. His election caught them by surprise,much like Trump's election.
Trump was probably our last chance to break that stranglehold.
And how did that work out for you?
Actually, I don't recall too many of our past presidents wanting to be king. Obama, with his pen and his phone, for sure. What I see is Trump continuing the practices of Obama and maybe ramping them up as far as he could get away with. Obama, however, had the advantage of huge support from his own party and from the media, and any dissenters were afraid to say anything for fear of that "racist" tag. Trump, however, is having difficulty becoming king because he doesn't have universal support from even his own party and absolutely no support from the media.
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It appears to me that, behind the scenes the Trump Family (including Kushner) is engaged in activity designed to ensure the accumulation of generational wealth before Trump leaves office. Trump's tweets are a convenient smokescreen for the benefit of his loyal supporters, to keep them in line in the face of nearly complete inaction on the border.
The revolving door of cabinet officials ensures that little is done at the agency level, making it easier for the Chamber of Commerce and K Street allies to influence (i.e. pay off Congressional allies and enrich Trump's friends) the direction of the Trump administration.
While managing by chaos may be temporarily effective in the private sector, it doesn't work with huge organizations such as the federal government, with their entrenched bureaucracies. How can one expect change at the Agency level, when it can be properly assumed that the "acting secretary" will be in office for perhaps six months?
Exactly right. I know that I have stated this before, but I believe the way that Trump will 'resolve' (?) the crisis at the border is to create a North American Union. Those involved in toll roads (Giuliani), planning, construction and building along those highways will profit handsomely and the Trump family will have not only increased their wealth substantially but will have created a very powerful dynasty.
It was quite absurd to vote in one of the most wealthiest men in the world and give him the keys to the Kingdom.
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Trump was probably our last chance to break that stranglehold.
Sadly, few see this exactly is the problem. People keep looking for change from the government to the government. They keep expecting some knight in shining armor to fix things for them. This is the exact attitude why things not only won't get fixed, but will get worse.
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A king IS the only thing that will please you @libertybele You clearly have no appreciation for or understanding of our system of government. You just want what you were promised .... and you want it now. The good news is the President wants to give it to you ... so clear away the marbles on the floor and make him King.
Absent this, may I suggest you think before you type another rant. They're starting to lower the average IQ in Brieferville.
He wants it so bad he piddled around getting any of his big three done. He wasted opportunity.
A King? Oh, Hell NO. I would do as my ancestors did faced with that prospect. At least with 536 sanctimonious pissants involved in the process, we can hole for shutdowns and gridlock.
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And how did that work out for you?
@Applewood
You are right,of course. If you try you might fail,so why bother trying,right?
Actually, I don't recall too many of our past presidents wanting to be king.
It's not MY fault you weren't paying attention.
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@Applewood
You are right, of course. If you try you might fail, so why bother trying, right?
Your hero didn't even try. Oh, he used his own pen and phone and issued some executive orders, most if not all of which were nixed by the courts. But from the moment he took office he berated congressmen and senators in his own party, calling them the swamp and such, and refusing to even try to work with them. This reputed successful businessman, art of the deal guy, the boss -- he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. Oh yeah, there were a few media photos of him allegedly meeting with party leaders, but they must have just been propaganda because as far as I know, nothing really came out of those meetings. We still have the Obamacare mess, still have the invasion of illegals and so-called refugees, still have a monstrous tax system, still running up the debt at an alarming rate.
The man is a failure because he squandered 2+ years of a majority in both houses of congress plus the presidency and he didn't really try.
It's not MY fault you weren't paying attention.
Paying attention to what? Conspiracy theories and allegations by people with an axe to grind -- none of which were ever proven? If so, you're right. I didn't and don't pay attention to those things.
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Your hero didn't even try. Oh, he used his own pen and phone and issued some executive orders, most if not all of which were nixed by the courts. But from the moment he took office he berated congressmen and senators in his own party, calling them the swamp and such, and refusing to even try to work with them. This reputed successful businessman, art of the deal guy, the boss -- he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. Oh yeah, there were a few media photos of him allegedly meeting with party leaders, but they must have just been propaganda because as far as I know, nothing really came out of those meetings. We still have the Obamacare mess, still have the invasion of illegals and so-called refugees, still have a monstrous tax system, still running up the debt at an alarming rate.
The man is a failure because he squandered 2+ years of a majority in both houses of congress plus the presidency and he didn't really try.
Paying attention to what? Conspiracy theories and allegations by people with an axe to grind -- none of which were ever proven? If so, you're right. I didn't and don't pay attention to those things.
@Applewood
Awww,you Globalist Bush Bots are so cute when you try to pretend to be Americans.
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@Applewood
Awww,you Globalist Bush Bots are so cute when you try to pretend to be Americans.
And Trump fans are pathetic when they continue to defend their lying , lard butt failure of a president.
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And Trump fans are pathetic when they continue to defend their lying , lard butt failure of a president.
On the border issue/illegal immigration/amnesty Trump has indeed FAILED bigly. Not a whole lot of Trumpers will acknowledge that failure. He's done some positive things; perhaps most importantly he's brought attention to the biased media and the corruption of the left; at least for some who actually care to pay attention or can see past their hatred for the man.
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And Trump fans are pathetic when they continue to defend their lying , lard butt failure of a president.
@Applewood
Hit close to home,didn't I?
If if makes you feel better,you can always start an "A day in the life of JEB" thread.
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I guess Hillary, Brennan, Clapper, Comey et al were correct: Trump is a real snake in the grass, and Maxine should follow through and Impee Foty Fie.
Impee is too good for him! March him to the Gallows and install Hillary.
Call your Congressmen and Senators, folks.
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He's done some positive things; perhaps most importantly he's brought attention to the biased media and the corruption of the left; at least for some who actually care to pay attention or can see past their hatred for the man.
@libertybele
It doesn't matter. He either produces this time,or he is forever "the old man that kept crying "wolf!"
It's either put up or shut up,Trump!
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@Applewood
Hit close to home,didn't I?
If if makes you feel better,you can always start an "A day in the life of JEB" thread.
I think you're the one whose home was nearly hit. I noticed you didn't actually respond to the specific points raised in my post, but instead repeated your tired Bush Bot accusation.
Someday, you and other Trump supporters may admit they were hornswoggled by a flim-flam man and he is not the get-it-done guy they thought he was. But in the meantime, I'd suggest you come up with new material for your insults against me. The ones you and other Trump fans are using have gone stale.
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I think you're the one whose home was nearly hit. I noticed you didn't actually respond to the specific points raised in my post, but instead repeated your tired Bush Bot accusation.
@Applewood
I don't need to write an encyclopedia to identify a mass of insects.
Or Bush Republicans,which is a slightly lower form of insect life.
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@Applewood
I don't need to write an encyclopedia to identify a mass of insects.
Or Bush Republicans,which is a slightly lower form of insect life.
Wut?
LOL
You're a character, Pete.
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On the border issue/illegal immigration/amnesty Trump has indeed FAILED bigly. Not a whole lot of Trumpers will acknowledge that failure. He's done some positive things; perhaps most importantly he's brought attention to the biased media and the corruption of the left; at least for some who actually care to pay attention or can see past their hatred for the man.
I don't hate anyone, much less Trump. However, there is a long list of promises the man made, and the biggest, most prominent promises, the ones which contributed greatly to his election, go unfulfilled. This isn't some reality show where you can trail off a crisis as a teaser for next season. Stuff happens in between the pilot and the end of the show.
Wall.
Obamacare
Hillary's criminal activity.
Lower taxes
Smaller government
etc.
MY taxes aren't lower, instead, deductions I have been able to take for 40 years are gone. The result is that I am paying taxes on the money I have to spend to make money (known as 'expenses') for the first time since I filed a 1040.
the problem is that when someone mentions failure to perform, just like the people who shout "racist", people claim that pointing out that the job isn't getting done is some sort of personal hatred. Poppycock.
Either it is getting done or it isn't.
Period.
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I don't hate anyone, much less Trump. However, there is a long list of promises the man made, and the biggest, most prominent promises, the ones which contributed greatly to his election, go unfulfilled. This isn't some reality show where you can trail off a crisis as a teaser for next season. Stuff happens in between the pilot and the end of the show.
Wall.
Obamacare
Hillary's criminal activity.
Lower taxes
Smaller government
etc.
MY taxes aren't lower, instead, deductions I have been able to take for 40 years are gone. The result is that I am paying taxes on the money I have to spend to make money (known as 'expenses') for the first time since I filed a 1040.
the problem is that when someone mentions failure to perform, just like the people who shout "racist", people claim that pointing out that the job isn't getting done is some sort of personal hatred. Poppycock.
Either it is getting done or it isn't.
Period.
He failed to deliver on most of his promises and certainly the main one. He went into campaign mode as soon as he realized most of what he promised wasn't going to happen so he shifted the goalposts to running for reelection with the promise of finishing the job.
The tax cut is pure horseshit. Most paid more not less. Whomever got more either is untruthful or they were dirt poor to begin with. The average person rec'd little to nothing extra.
Ask yourself if the tax cuts were so great how come you don't hear more about just how great there were from the people not Trump telling you so.
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I hadn't thought of that, but it is a possibility and would certainly explain a lot of things.
You have to dig to see that mostly what is being done in the White House doesn't benefit the people at all. Kushner is working behind the scene to increase work visas for foreigners low and high income wage earners. It seems with such an influx of illegal immigrants they should shelve that. Look at our system. Since its at such a capacity all those people will be coming in and taking jobs. And the administration has done nothing to force corporations to e verify. What would those people do if they couldn't find jobs? We know they will.
Trumps presidency is like a comic book or action hero drama. With the Q Anon conspiracy there are people who have no idea what idiot in chief is doing in the White House. They just want their hero character. Who by the way never locked up Hillary or secured the border. But soon he might send them a Q sign saying that a lot of corrupt politicians will be jailed. Go Q! Kushner and Mulvaney definitely have been working against the American people. I know that.
All the Trump firings have been part of the plot to keep his fans on the edge supporting him. He is the fake news.
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You have to dig to see that mostly what is being done in the White House doesn't benefit the people at all. Kushner is working behind the scene to increase work visas for foreigners low and high income wage earners. It seems with such an influx of illegal immigrants they should shelve that. Look at our system. Since its at such a capacity all those people will be coming in and taking jobs. And the administration has done nothing to force corporations to e verify. What would those people do if they couldn't find jobs? We know they will.
Trumps presidency is like a comic book or action hero drama. With the Q Anon conspiracy there are people who have no idea what idiot in chief is doing in the White House. They just want their hero character. Who by the way never locked up Hillary or secured the border. But soon he might send them a Q sign saying that a lot of corrupt politicians will be jailed. Go Q! Kushner and Mulvaney definitely have been working against the American people. I know that.
All the Trump firings have been part of the plot to keep his fans on the edge supporting him. He is the fake news.
Well stated.
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He failed to deliver on most of his promises and certainly the main one. He went into campaign mode as soon as he realized most of what he promised wasn't going to happen so he shifted the goalposts to running for reelection with the promise of finishing the job.
The tax cut is pure horseshit. Most paid more not less. Whomever got more either is untruthful or they were dirt poor to begin with. The average person rec'd little to nothing extra.
Ask yourself if the tax cuts were so great how come you don't hear more about just how great there were from the people not Trump telling you so.
I paid more. And I continue to pay more and more property tax too. It expensive to raise illegal immigrant families. I work manufacturing. I should have been getting a cut in my Federal tax. But corporations got hefty tax breaks. Then they petition for more work visa's. Then they can under pay them and expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab when they can't fully support their families.
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It appears to me that, behind the scenes the Trump Family (including Kushner) is engaged in activity designed to ensure the accumulation of generational wealth before Trump leaves office. Trump's tweets are a convenient smokescreen for the benefit of his loyal supporters, to keep them in line in the face of nearly complete inaction on the border.
The revolving door of cabinet officials ensures that little is done at the agency level, making it easier for the Chamber of Commerce and K Street allies to influence (i.e. pay off Congressional allies and enrich Trump's friends) the direction of the Trump administration.
While managing by chaos may be temporarily effective in the private sector, it doesn't work with huge organizations such as the federal government, with their entrenched bureaucracies. How can one expect change at the Agency level, when it can be properly assumed that the "acting secretary" will be in office for perhaps six months?
Truth!
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I paid more. And I continue to pay more and more property tax too. It expensive to raise illegal immigrant families. I work manufacturing. I should have been getting a cut in my Federal tax. But corporations got hefty tax breaks. Then they petition for more work visa's. Then they can under pay them and expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab when they can't fully support their families.
With all the illegal pouring over our borders, even with the current up tick in the economy, us taxpayers aren't going to be able to sustain the influx at the current tax rates --- taxes will certainly go up. After all, they need to be housed, fed, schooled, medicated, or imprisoned. That's the reality.