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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Elderberry on July 10, 2019, 08:43:01 pm
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Houston Chronicle by CHEVEL JOHNSON and JANET McCONNAUGHEY 7/10/2019
A storm swamped New Orleans streets and paralyzed traffic Wednesday as concerns grew that even worse weather was on the way: a possible hurricane that could strike the Gulf Coast and raise the Mississippi River to the brim of the city's protective levees.
The storm was associated with a broad area of disturbed weather in the Gulf that forecasters said was on track to strengthen into a hurricane by the weekend. The system was expected to become a tropical depression by Thursday morning, a tropical storm by Thursday night and a hurricane on Friday, according to the National Hurricane Center.
Lines of thunderstorms associated with the system ranged far out in into the Gulf and battered New Orleans, where as much as 7 inches (18 centimeters) of rain fell over a three-hour period Wednesday morning, forecasters said.
Mississippi and Texas were also at risk of torrential rains.
In New Orleans, streets turned into small, swift rivers that overturned garbage cans and picked up pieces of floating wood. Water was up to the doors of many cars. Other vehicles were abandoned. Kayakers paddled their way down some streets.
Chandris Rethmeyer lost her car to the flood and had to wade through water about 4 feet (1.22 meters) deep to get to safety. She was on her way home after working an overnight shift when she got stuck behind an accident in an underpass and the water started rising.
More: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/texas/article/New-Orleans-states-along-Gulf-brace-for-14084730.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/texas/article/New-Orleans-states-along-Gulf-brace-for-14084730.php)
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If you click on the link, picture #32 looks a bit like a tornado.
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(https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT02/refresh/AL0219WPCQPF+gif/203739WPCQPF_sm.gif)
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/203739.shtml?key_messages#contents (https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/203739.shtml?key_messages#contents)
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Will Trump's Katrina be Barry's revenge?
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If you click on the link, picture #32 looks a bit like a tornado.
Yep.
32of52A severe storm swamped New Orleans Wednesday and prompted a tornado warning on July 10, 2019.Photo: Mark Caesar / Twitter: @pissyopants1
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Certainly doesn't look like much progress has been made as far as putting in flood control structures. Looks like this may be another bad year for areas in Louisiana and Mississippi.
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New Orleans:
A place I would NEVER want to be.
Not to visit, live in... whatever.
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Will Trump's Katrina be Barry's revenge?
It will if A Federal Judge determines it to be!
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I was going to Montgomery County that backs up to Harris County (Houston), this Saturday to meet Sunday with the man who checks my townhouse and take he and wife to lunch, but I think by tomorrow, weather reports will include Harris County and Montgomery in the heavy rain from this weather system on Saturday and Sunday. I read people in Houston are already out in stores buying what they need for this one. I will decide tomorrow whether to go or not as more weather reports come in.
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If you click on the link, picture #32 looks a bit like a tornado.
Louisiana doesn't have tornadoes. They have waterspouts.
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The National Weather Service confirmed nine tornadoes ripped through five Louisiana parishes Wednesday, among them the twister that destroyed Jimmie Davis State Park in Jackson Parish.
Greg Hilburn, Monroe News Star Published 10:33 a.m. CT May 10, 2019
https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/news/2019/05/10/eight-la-twisters-confirmed-see-their-paths-speed/1163134001/ (https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/news/2019/05/10/eight-la-twisters-confirmed-see-their-paths-speed/1163134001/)
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I was going to Montgomery County that backs up to Harris County (Houston), this Saturday to meet Sunday with the man who checks my townhouse and take he and wife to lunch, but I think by tomorrow, weather reports will include Harris County and Montgomery in the heavy rain from this weather system on Saturday and Sunday. I read people in Houston are already out in stores buying what they need for this one. I will decide tomorrow whether to go or not as more weather reports come in.
If you live in the Gulf Coast area, now is the time to fill up your gasoline tanks.
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Note: this is Levi's report from last evening:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1O8VGJChPg#)
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@thackney
We will not go there Saturday. It is not an emergency trip, can go there any time, will go there next weekend if weather is okay then.
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@thackney
We will not go there Saturday. It is not an emergency trip, can go there any time, will go there next weekend if weather is okay then.
Probably a wise choice. Weather people are talking up the uncertainty in the path due to lack of organization in the storm so far.
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Will Trump's Katrina be Barry's revenge?
Good thing Trump has Kanye West on his side this time.
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(https://water.weather.gov/resources/hydrographs/norl1_hg.png)
https://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=lix&gage=norl1
A 20 foot project levee protects the city. Floodwalls and levees are constantly upgraded to maintain that project height.
The top highest floods are:
(1) 21.27 ft on 04/25/1922
(2) 21.05 ft on 05/11/1912
(3) 21.00 ft on 04/25/1927
(4) 20.50 ft on 05/18/1927
(5) 20.05 ft on 03/03/1916
(6) 19.99 ft on 06/08/1929
(7) 19.98 ft on 02/10/1950
(8) 19.78 ft on 05/01/1945
(9) 19.42 ft on 03/29/1903
(10) 19.38 ft on 05/21/1944
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This is such non-news.
New Orleans is, was and will always be under this threat.
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This is such non-news.
New Orleans is, was and will always be under this threat.
If you live in a city some parts of which are eight feet below sea level floods are likely when it rains!
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Here is SE Texas this forcast looks a lot brighter than yesterday. Of course we know how unprecitable these are. Max sustained winds at landfall are down from 85 to 75 mph at landfall. WHICH.... and I can attest, is a hell of a lot of difference.
From my perspective (and short term) Sabine Pass eastward to NOLA should hunker down.
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This is such non-news.
New Orleans is, was and will always be under this threat.
True, but they don't always have the timing of a hurricane matching the river swollen from massive flooding upstream.
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California adds the risks of deadly fires, and occasional deadly earthquakes, and rare windstorms.
Worse may be preventable diseases from unscreened immigrants, anti-vac parents, drug addicts, etc.
Don't forget one-party rule, coming to other states near you, too.
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Laissez les bons temps rouler (https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi185.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx283%2Fadamewright%2Fbeer_looter.jpg&f=1)
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It was always fascinating to me to look up a couple of blocks from Bourbon St and see a massive Container ship coming down the Missisip, all the while standing in a BOWL.
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If you live in a city some parts of which are eight feet below sea level floods are likely when it rains!
And that is the sad truth.
After Katrina I have a friend that said they need to move New Orleans. That's a nice thought...but where would it be moved to? (and please don't say Texas)
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Quick...somebody call Shep and maybe Geraldo and get them on a plane to Naw Awlens.
The public deserves the truth!!! /s
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Perhaps Brian Williams needs a do-over.
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True, but they don't always have the timing of a hurricane matching the river swollen from massive flooding upstream.
Geography of being near the Gulf and its weather systems, along with one of earth's mightiest rivers running through the city, as well as the city's foundation upon a deltaic deposit subsiding over time guarantees this will happen again and again, no matter how big the levees are built or more massive pumps used to take care of rainwater.
It is a fact it will happen and the only newsworthy item is not if it happens, but how often it will happen.
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If you live in a city some parts of which are eight feet below sea level floods are likely when it rains!
This was Orleans St on Wednesday. Just a light summer shower.
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Houston is in the same predicament, depleting the water table and sinking rapidly. The taxpayers will continue to be on the hook for Nawlins, a fools errand, IMHO due to corrupt politics and demographics.
I think Texas is moving forward to try and save Houston, particularly after Harvey.
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This was Orleans St on Wednesday. Just a light summer shower.
And the part of the city where that was taken is the high dry part if I'm not sadly mistaken.
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And the part of the city where that was taken is the high dry part if I'm not sadly mistaken.
Orleans and Bourbon Sts. And they had it totally pumped out in an hour.
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Orleans and Bourbon Sts. And they had it totally pumped out in an hour.
Yeah. They take real good care of that cash cow.
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After Katrina I have a friend that said they need to move New Orleans. That's a nice thought...but where would it be moved to? (and please don't say Texas)
New Orleans is perfectly OK right where it is - Away from the rest of Louisiana.
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Houston is in the same predicament, depleting the water table and sinking rapidly. The taxpayers will continue to be on the hook for Nawlins, a fools errand, IMHO due to corrupt politics and demographics.
I think Texas is moving forward to try and save Houston, particularly after Harvey.
Both have close proximity to the coast, but that is where the similarity ends.
Houston is not built like New Orleans on a delta system which is composed of sediments that highly subside over time. The mud which discharges from the river that used to build up the delta is now carried via levees into the Gulf which actually benefits Texas with sediments on its western side.
Houston also does not have a large river system running through its center which has to be contained during high river stages.
And Houston is not below sea level like a lot of New Orleans, which means water has to be pumped out.
Houston does of course have the burden of more groundwater removal which causes some subsidence.
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I knew I could count on you @IsailedawayfromFR to straighten out my convoluted thinking, Thank You.
*No sarcasm intended or implied.
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I knew I could count on you @IsailedawayfromFR to straighten out my convoluted thinking, Thank You.
*No sarcasm intended or implied.
Have lived in both places and seen a bit of the flooding. Doesn't hurt to have rubbed shoulders with a number of competent geologists, too.
Likely the biggest issue isn't geology. Katrina exposed New Orleans' corrupt levee boards as incompetent and not up to the task of what they were selected to do.
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Have lived in both places and seen a bit of the flooding. Doesn't hurt to have rubbed shoulders with a number of competent geologists, too.
Likely the biggest issue isn't geology. Katrina exposed New Orleans' corrupt levee boards as incompetent and not up to the task of what they were selected to do.
I too, have lived in both places @IsailedawayfromFR and I should get Brownie points for keeping a bunch of Texaco Geologist's PCs and plotters alive on Poydras St. and eating at Mothers or Cresent City Café every other day.
My only regret is I stayed too drunk to remember most of it.
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Have lived in both places and seen a bit of the flooding. Doesn't hurt to have rubbed shoulders with a number of competent geologists, too.
Likely the biggest issue isn't geology. Katrina exposed New Orleans' corrupt levee boards as incompetent and not up to the task of what they were selected to do.
Man is that ever the truth! And unfortunately, very little has changed with that.
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I too, have lived in both places @IsailedawayfromFR and I should get Brownie points for keeping a bunch of Texaco Geologist's PCs and plotters alive on Poydras St. and eating at Mothers or Cresent City Café every other day.
My only regret is I stayed too drunk to remember most of it.
But Bon Ton had the best Turtle Soup in the city and was owned by the family of a Texaco admin we both worked with as well.
And that building I hear now has been converted to a place serving alcohol so one doesn't have to even step outside now. @corbe
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And that is the sad truth.
After Katrina I have a friend that said they need to move New Orleans. That's a nice thought...but where would it be moved to? (and please don't say Texas)
I'd ask just exactly who is "they".
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A least we know this time, Kanye won't be saying, "Donald Trump doesn't care about black people."
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Quick...somebody call Shep and maybe Geraldo and get them on a plane to Naw Awlens.
The public deserves the truth!!! /s
What's really been strange is that I have not seen the super breathless coverage of this storm like Katrina and so many others. I guess when Barry was downgraded to a tropical storm almost immediately after landfall and there was no loss of life that could be blamed on Trump, the talking heads in the media lost interest. I mean, what's a "little flooding?" Hardly newsworthy.
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And that is the sad truth.
After Katrina I have a friend that said they need to move New Orleans. That's a nice thought...but where would it be moved to? (and please don't say Texas)
It would probably involve dispersal in that they won't move everyone in the city to the same place. Most would probably move to other parts and cities of Louisiana that aren't, well, below sea level, a scenario that would best preserve the culture and community. (Not that culture and community matter much in this society anymore.)
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A pretty good article on how New Orleans ended up below sea level.
How Humans Sank New Orleans
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/how-humans-sank-new-orleans/552323/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/how-humans-sank-new-orleans/552323/)
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Gulf oil is back on.
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Great Article @thackney Thanks for Sharing.
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A pretty good article on how New Orleans ended up below sea level.
How Humans Sank New Orleans
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/how-humans-sank-new-orleans/552323/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/how-humans-sank-new-orleans/552323/)
New Orleans has the distinction of being a PLO
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOGXHwhj_n0&t=23s#)