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McCain's inner circle planning on having Pence, not Trump, at funeral: report
By Max Greenwood - 05/05/18 12:13 PM EDT
Those close to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) have told the White House that their plan for the Arizona Republican's eventual funeral is to have Vice President Pence attend – but not President Trump, The New York Times reports.
The funeral is expected to take place at the Washington National Cathedral, according to the Times.
But Trump, with whom McCain has had a tempestuous relationship, is not expected to attend the service, at least not according to current planning, the Times reported.
McCain was diagnosed with an aggressive form of brain cancer last year, and is undergoing treatment. Despite his illness, the senator has continued to visit with friends and field conference calls with his staff back in Washington.
more
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386359-mccains-inner-circle-planning-on-having-pence-not-trump-at-funeral-report (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386359-mccains-inner-circle-planning-on-having-pence-not-trump-at-funeral-report)
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Bet Obama will be there.
While not surprising coming from McCain, this is shockingly disrespectful. I'm guessing he hasn't found peace yet.
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In case anyone was wondering, I won't be attending either. :shrug:
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McCain's inner circle planning on having Pence, not Trump, at funeral: report
By Max Greenwood - 05/05/18 12:13 PM EDT
Those close to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) have told the White House that their plan for the Arizona Republican's eventual funeral is to have Vice President Pence attend – but not President Trump, The New York Times reports.
The funeral is expected to take place at the Washington National Cathedral, according to the Times.
But Trump, with whom McCain has had a tempestuous relationship, is not expected to attend the service, at least not according to current planning, the Times reported.
McCain was diagnosed with an aggressive form of brain cancer last year, and is undergoing treatment. Despite his illness, the senator has continued to visit with friends and field conference calls with his staff back in Washington.
more
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386359-mccains-inner-circle-planning-on-having-pence-not-trump-at-funeral-report (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386359-mccains-inner-circle-planning-on-having-pence-not-trump-at-funeral-report)
That's ok. He'll have plenty of company at his funeral. He'll have most of his 'friends across the aisle'..... the DemocRats.
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LOL. I don't think this guy is worth even a VP attendance.
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Oh no, don't have to go to some jerk's hellishly long funeral? What a punishment.
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All I want to know is when, John.
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Their loss. Everyone knows Trump puts the 'F-U' in funeral.
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I'm reminded of "Pollyanna" when the Agnes Moorehead character was picking out all the casket treatments for her funeral.
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Bet Obama will be there.
While not surprising coming from McCain, this is shockingly disrespectful. I'm guessing he hasn't found peace yet.
@Right_in_Virginia
Of course, McLunatic's nose is still about a foot up Obombers ass,and will need to be removed for a closed casket service.
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How long before we can piss on his grave?
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His "inner circle" is planning his funeral? Did anyone ask McCain what he wants? If he's still holding conference calls as the article states, he must still be lucid enough to plan his own sendoff, no?
Sorry, guys, but this all sounds strange to me.
@Applewood
Did anyone ask McCain what he wants?
It doesn't work that way with traitors you blackmail. NOBODY asks them what they want,they tell them what to say and do.
His fat daughter will no doubt step forward to take over the Family Senate Seat. Her appearances on The View will lock up the Dim vote for her,and her name will lock up the RINO vote. More importantly,the DNC will insist Dim voters vote for her because they know that will be a vote in the Senate they can always count on.
We all know how they love to claim they pass leftist bills with "Bi-Partisan support".
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How long before we can piss on his grave?
His father is buried at Arlington, so he might go that route, too. I wouldn’t suggest trying it.
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His father is buried at Arlington, so he might go that route, too. I wouldn’t suggest trying it.
McCain will most certainly be buried in Arlington. I'd make book on it, but nobody in the planet would take my bet.
He's a "war hero."
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@Applewood
It doesn't work that way with traitors you blackmail. NOBODY asks them what they want,they tell them what to say and do.
His fat daughter will no doubt step forward to take over the Family Senate Seat. Her appearances on The View will lock up the Dim vote for her,and her name will lock up the RINO vote. More importantly,the DNC will insist Dim voters vote for her because they know that will be a vote in the Senate they can always count on.
We all know how they love to claim they pass leftist bills with "Bi-Partisan support".
I thought Cindy McCain was the one you were betting on? Doug Ducey is going to stab his friend Donald Trump in the back.
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His father is buried at Arlington, so he might go that route, too. I wouldn’t suggest trying it.
I wouldn't do it there out of respect for all the others. Sadly ironic that McCain got a bunch of them killed with his love for war and conflict. Not to mention those govt contractor lobbyists.
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Bet Obama will be there.
So will Hillary.
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Of course he made the Clinton's a lot of money
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Good news is when Crazy Johnny goes, Cindy will be in great shape. She will have all of Johnnies left over pain meds to traffic in.
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Good news is when Crazy Johnny goes, Cindy will be in great shape. She will have all of Johnnies left over pain meds to traffic in.
Good point. She was due for a resupply.
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Good news is when Crazy Johnny goes, Cindy will be in great shape. She will have all of Johnnies left over pain meds to traffic in.
Maybe she can get together with Kitty Dukakis and chase them down with some hairspray and aftershave.
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I thought Cindy McCain was the one you were betting on? Doug Ducey is going to stab his friend Donald Trump in the back.
@Cyber Liberty
Naw,you have me confused with someone else. If she had wanted that Senate seat herself,her father would have bought it for her instead of buying her a husband to hold it.
It's Fat Girl all the way. She's spent the last several years gaining public fame and sucking up to Dims while still claiming to be a Republican.
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So will Hillary.
Anyone with bets on the skank factor on Meghan's dress? I'm going with a 6.
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@Cyber Liberty
Naw,you have me confused with someone else. If she had wanted that Senate seat herself,her father would have bought it for her instead of buying her a husband to hold it.
It's Fat Girl all the way. She's spent the last several years gaining public fame and sucking up to Dims while still claiming to be a Republican.
She'll have to get that seat on her own, because Ducey's not likely to hand it to her.
And you are correct, I was thinking of somebody else...sorry.
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Cyber wrote:
"I thought Cindy McCain was the one you were betting on? Doug Ducey is going to stab his friend Donald Trump in the back."
I'm the one who made the prediction that Governor Ducey will select McCain's wife to succeed him, in exchange for McCain's resignation after the date (May 6?) which permits the governor to pick the successor.
I hadn't considered McCain's daughter. That's possible, too.
But if he's going to resign, he isn't going to do so unless HE gets to choose his replacement -- that is the basis of "the deal".
I have no crystal ball and I could be wrong.
Let's wait and see...
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Cyber wrote:
"I thought Cindy McCain was the one you were betting on? Doug Ducey is going to stab his friend Donald Trump in the back."
I'm the one who made the prediction that Governor Ducey will select McCain's wife to succeed him, in exchange for McCain's resignation after the date (May 6?) which permits the governor to pick the successor.
I hadn't considered McCain's daughter. That's possible, too.
But if he's going to resign, he isn't going to do so unless HE gets to choose his replacement -- that is the basis of "the deal".
I have no crystal ball and I could be wrong.
Let's wait and see...
@Fishrrman @sneakypete My apologies to you both. I realized my error after I saw Pete's reply.
I don't have an Oracle either, I'm just in a position to observe from a relatively close seat. I know, for instance, there's no love between McCain and the state Party. The Party refused to support McCain in his last election because of his shenanigans. If McCain made some sort of deal, I see no reason for Ducey to honor it.
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In case anyone was wondering, I won't be attending either. :shrug:
@roamer_1 I am going to be busy not giving a damn that day, wanna go fishing?
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McCain also came out and said he regrets picking Palin. Then he encouraged Biden to stay in politics.
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@roamer_1 I am going to be busy not giving a damn that day, wanna go fishing?
@verga
Oh heck yeah...
:beer:
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Little John, petty and small, still grasping for that last 15 minutes.
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McCain is a treacherous back stabbing vile corrupt man.
He is swamp creature personified. He's been poison for conservatives for a long time. Trump on the other hand is just a symptom of what the GOP has become under the likes of McCain.
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I have pre planned and pre paid for my funeral and I’m a lot younger than senator McCain.
For the record, I know no one like Trump or Pence is coming but I would be honored if Marlon Bundo showed up. He’s so adorable! BOTUS â¤ï¸!!!!
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McCane is a short timer and has walked across the aisle so
many times, he forgets where he resides.
Seeing time is short, perhaps he could ensure Pence attending
his funeral by some actual conservative act in the Senate.
If his health prohibits, he could compose something.
Like an apology to the nation's conservatives.
:)
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Just read on Drudge that McCain regrets putting Palin on 2008 VPOTUS ticket.
Sadly, if Palin would have adjusted her 2010 endorsement (she gave McCain as a favor), we could have given an McCain an 8 year earlier retirement.
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Just read on Drudge that McCain regrets putting Palin on 2008 VPOTUS ticket.
Sadly, if Palin would have adjusted her 2010 endorsement (she gave McCain as a favor), we could have given an McCain an 8 year earlier retirement.
Frankly Palin was the only reason I voted for the old codger. Sure in hindsight I see that she is also Batsh!t crazy too, but at the time it seemed like the smart money.
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I suspect Trump will get over it. I think he’s got a round of golf that day.
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Frankly Palin was the only reason I voted for the old codger. Sure in hindsight I see that she is also Batsh!t crazy too, but at the time it seemed like the smart money.
@verga
I will take a pro-American batshit crazy candidate EVERY time over a globalist traitor.
Not even a contest.
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@verga
I will take a pro-American batshit crazy candidate EVERY time over a globalist traitor.
Not even a contest.
Funny....that was my POV in 2016, too!
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Just read on Drudge that McCain regrets putting Palin on 2008 VPOTUS ticket.
Sadly, if Palin would have adjusted her 2010 endorsement (she gave McCain as a favor), we could have given an McCain an 8 year earlier retirement.
I disagree. I don't think Palin's endorsement of McCain made any difference in the 2010 AZ election. She's just not that major a figure here in AZ, and I doubt very much she changed any minds, either in the Primary nor the General Elections. It was just a "return the favor" political decision on her part. All it really did for me was diminish her to Party Toady in my eyes, but I only have the one vote anyway. She was on no ballot here.
I'm in the group that didn't vote for McCain in 2008, I voted for her.
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I hate to say it, but I'm glad Obama beat this POS.
McCain would have gotten us into WWIII.
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John McCain, who has been battling an aggressive form of brain cancer for more than a year, doesn’t want President Trump to attend his funeral and prefers Vice President Pence to be there, according to a New York Times report.
In addition, former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have been asked to deliver eulogies at McCain's funeral, sources close to both former presidents and McCain told CNN.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/06/mccain-says-trump-should-skip-his-funeral-wants-pence-to-attend.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/06/mccain-says-trump-should-skip-his-funeral-wants-pence-to-attend.html)
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Don't want to be cruel here, but this is a man who seems determined to continue antagonizing people after he's dead.
Obama???
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Don't want to be cruel here, but this is a man who seems determined to continue antagonizing people after he's dead.
Obama???
I think your response isn't cruel.......... it's dead on. (No pun intended).
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Don't want to be cruel here, but this is a man who seems determined to continue antagonizing people after he's dead.
Obama???
I agree with @musiclady on this...nothing cruel about your post at all. You're just saying it like it is.
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I agree with @musiclady on this...nothing cruel about your post at all. You're just saying it like it is.
Can you guyz imagine what 'Candidate 2016 Trump' might have to say about this today? :laugh:
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Good grief McCain is treating his own funeral as if he were a ‘mean chick’ planning an ice cream social.
There’re more important considerations now John.
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I disagree. I don't think Palin's endorsement of McCain made any difference in the 2010 AZ election. She's just not that major a figure here in AZ, and I doubt very much she changed any minds, either in the Primary nor the General Elections. It was just a "return the favor" political decision on her part. All it really did for me was diminish her to Party Toady in my eyes, but I only have the one vote anyway. She was on no ballot here.
I'm in the group that didn't vote for McCain in 2008, I voted for her.
Disagree too. JD Heyworth was down about 5 poll points and gaining on McCain in the 2010 primary before Palin put the knife in his back. Not saying 100% we would have unseated McCain, but the chances were pretty decent.
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Disagree too. JD Heyworth was down about 5 poll points and gaining on McCain in the 2010 primary before Palin put the knife in his back. Not saying 100% we would have unseated McCain, but the chances were pretty decent.
JD was, IMO, the best chance we had, going back (and forward) a few election cycles (Kelli Ward was the later chance, but she's a Chemtrails Conspiracist who's taking another run at Flake's seat now, and if she wins the primary will crash on the shoals this November against the Rat). JD had developed some serious flaws in the years since he lost his reelection to the House, and I thought he had plateaued at that -5% number. I voted for JD anyway, because I had met him a couple of times and liked him personally (well, as much as I can any politician, which is not a whole lot).
There is a perception Palin did him in, but I just don't see the numbers to support that. JMHO.
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Good grief McCain is treating his own funeral as if he were a ‘mean chick’ planning an ice cream social.
There’re more important considerations now John.
Bitter self centered old coot better realize that his shenanigans has cost him dearly in legacy points.
50 years from now he will be nothing more than an obscure answer to a trivia question.
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Good grief McCain is treating his own funeral as if he were a ‘mean chick’ planning an ice cream social.
There’re more important considerations now John.
I don't think this is McCain's pettiness going on here, I think he's either already dead or out of his mind. This is crapola coming from his aides trying to diminish his replacement's ability to support Trump.
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I don't think this is McCain's pettiness going on here, I think he's either already dead or out of his mind. This is crapola coming from his aides trying to diminish his replacement's ability to support Trump.
Sorry Senator McCain.... A Weekend at Bernie's type Hill visit for Trump's Impeachment Conviction is out of the question.
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Why would Pence want to attend?
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Can you guyz imagine what 'Candidate 2016 Trump' might have to say about this today? :laugh:
"I don't go to 'captured' peoples Funerals, anyway"
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Why would Pence want to attend?
Decorum is one of Pence's strong suits. But don't get me wrong, it will be awkward as hell for him.
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Barack Obama Will Give Eulogy At McCain Funeral
May 6, 2018| by Donn Marten
The gushing tributes from the media that are pouring out to pay respects to the beloved warmonger Senator John McCain already have some scrambling for their barf bags and I am one of them.
McCain has been laid low during a futile battle with the glioblastoma that is slowly devouring his brain but he will not be without a farewell tour as he slowly nears the day of his departure from the realm of the living.
A steady parade of bipartisan globalists have been making the trip to his Arizona ranch as he fades away. There are also advance excerpts of his fare thee well book The Restless Wave have already been provided to establishment propaganda media outlets for the glowing stories and the bitter venting of his bile against the hated President Trump who he failed to prevent from being elected and has since similarly failed to have removed through the coup based on the PeeGate dossier that he played a part in disseminating.
https://downtrend.com/donn-marten/barack-obama-will-give-eulogy-at-mccain-funeral/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+downtrend+%28Downtrend.com%29
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John McCain..... Biggest RINO in American history behind Nelson Rockefeller.
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Why would Pence want to attend?
It would be a duty (chore) to show respect, even if the recipient deserves none. It's like the old bromide about what VPs are useful for: Waiting for the President to croak and gong to Funerals.
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It would be a duty (chore) to show respect, even if the recipient deserves none. It's like the old bromide about what VPs are useful for: Waiting for the President to croak and gong to Funerals.
Yeah, it just seems very presumptuous of the McCain group to expect he attend.
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It was just a "return the favor" political decision on her part. All it really did for me was diminish her to Party Toady in my eyes, ...
@Cyber Liberty
Same here x 2. I lost all faith in her when she did that after the way he stabbed her in the back all through the campaign,and even going on tv to trash talk her and imply she was the reason he lost after the election was already over.
IMHO,anyone that won't defend themselves won't defend America.
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It's pretty morbid that all of this info, intentionally leaked, about a Senator or other prominent person talking about their funeral to come. I don't know if anyone else has ever done this, at least, so in public.
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Why would Pence want to attend?
@Sanguine
I'm guessing if it was left up to him,he wouldn't.
But since he is the sitting VP and McLunatic is what passes for a "respectable US Senator" these days,going to the funeral is pretty much a job requirement.
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@Cyber Liberty
Same here x 2. I lost all faith in her when she did that after the way he stabbed her in the back all through the campaign,and even going on tv to trash talk her and imply she was the reason he lost after the election was already over.
IMHO,anyone that won't defend themselves won't defend America.
All true. A shame, really. I wanted a Hottie for Preezy.
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Hey, Mods. How about merging the two similar threads?
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It's pretty morbid that all of this info, intentionally leaked, about a Senator or other prominent person talking about their funeral to come. I don't know if anyone else has ever done this, at least, so in public.
I don't recall that either. That's why I don't think it's his doing, although he has certainly demonstrated sufficient pettiness for this behavior in the past.
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John McCain..... Biggest RINO in American history behind Nelson Rockefeller.
@catfish1957
I cannot imagine people flocking to pay respects to McCain. Whatever respect he may have earned in his life, he has thrown away in his last years.
From dissing Sarah Palin ... I think McCain was jealous and furious from the time he nominated her. Whatever Sarah became later on, she was once a powerful speaker and a charismatic person.
I remember watching Sarah's acceptance speech on TV when my husband wandered into the room. He did something he never does. He stopped and watched her whole speech and he was impressed.
She always got bigger crowds and more applause than John and he is a petty man who became jealous of her.
Of course, McCain disliked Trump, who managed to do what McCain couldn't, but inviting Obama to give a eulogy is beyond the pale (Need to look that up) Obama is the worst president ever elected and put the country in a hole that is difficult to climb out of.
Such a contrast to Barbara Bush's last days and legacy.
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They're going to make McCain's funeral a rally like Paul Wellstone's funeral.
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They're going to make McCain's funeral a rally like Paul Wellstone's funeral.
Good observation, probably so.
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@catfish1957
I cannot imagine people flocking to pay respects to McCain. Whatever respect he may have earned in his life, he has thrown away in his last years.
From dissing Sarah Palin ... I think McCain was jealous and furious from the time he nominated her. Whatever Sarah became later on, she was once a powerful speaker and a charismatic person.
I remember watching Sarah's acceptance speech on TV when my husband wandered into the room. He did something he never does. He stopped and watched her whole speech and he was impressed.
She always got bigger crowds and more applause than John and he is a petty man who became jealous of her.
Of course, McCain disliked Trump, who managed to do what McCain couldn't, but inviting Obama to give a eulogy is beyond the pale (Need to look that up) Obama is the worst president ever elected and put the country in a hole that is difficult to climb out of.
Such a contrast to Barbara Bush's last days and legacy.
Let's not talk about the Bushs and Obamas puh-leeze, Dubya is all over the Obamas and Michelle.
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They're going to make McCain's funeral a rally like Paul Wellstone's funeral.
Gosh, I hope not, but you're probably correct. Obastard used the Funeral for the Federal Judge in Tucson (who was killed in the same attack where Gabby Giffords got shot) to bang the drum for gun control. They had T-shirts adorning all the seats in the arena where it was held. It was nauseating.
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........beyond the pale (Need to look that up)
"Etymology[edit]
From pale (“jurisdiction of an authority, territory under an authority's jurisdictionâ€), suggesting that anything outside the authority's jurisdiction was uncivilized. The phrase was in use by the mid-17th century, and may be a reference to the general sense of boundary, but is often understood to refer specifically to the English Pale in Ireland. In the nominally English territory of Ireland, only the Pale fell genuinely under the authority of English law, hence the terms within the pale and beyond the pale. The boundary of the Ashdown Forest (a royal hunting forest) was also known as the Pale, consisting of a paled fence and a ditch inside, to allow deer to jump in, but not back out."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale
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Barack Obama Will Give Eulogy At McCain Funeral
POTUS needs to hurry up and arrest both of them.
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Topics merged.
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@catfish1957
I cannot imagine people flocking to pay respects to McCain. Whatever respect he may have earned in his life, he has thrown away in his last years.
From dissing Sarah Palin ... I think McCain was jealous and furious from the time he nominated her. Whatever Sarah became later on, she was once a powerful speaker and a charismatic person.
I remember watching Sarah's acceptance speech on TV when my husband wandered into the room. He did something he never does. He stopped and watched her whole speech and he was impressed.
She always got bigger crowds and more applause than John and he is a petty man who became jealous of her.
Of course, McCain disliked Trump, who managed to do what McCain couldn't, but inviting Obama to give a eulogy is beyond the pale (Need to look that up) Obama is the worst president ever elected and put the country in a hole that is difficult to climb out of.
Such a contrast to Barbara Bush's last days and legacy.
Palin seriously damaged herself putting her friendship with McCain before country. And this is how she was repaid for that.
John McCain is a vile vindictive crank. Remember the Keating Five? He's been a corrupt a-hole for a long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
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I disagree. I don't think Palin's endorsement of McCain made any difference in the 2010 AZ election. She's just not that major a figure here in AZ, and I doubt very much she changed any minds, either in the Primary nor the General Elections. It was just a "return the favor" political decision on her part. All it really did for me was diminish her to Party Toady in my eyes, but I only have the one vote anyway. She was on no ballot here.
I'm in the group that didn't vote for McCain in 2008, I voted for her.
I had a McCain/Palin sign in my yard, though someone used duct tape to cover the "McCain" parts.
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I had a McCain/Palin sign in my yard, though someone used duct tape to cover the "McCain" parts.
Was it you?
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(https://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/887/8879413/3262253-2587247142-15005.png)
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Was it you?
You betcha.
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The New York Times
At His Ranch, John McCain Shares Memories and Regrets With Friends
By JONATHAN MARTIN
PHOENIX — When former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. traveled to Senator John McCain’s Arizona ranch last Sunday to spend a few hours with his ailing friend, the two reminisced about the “crazy senators†they had served with, the overseas trips they took together for decades and the friendship Mr. McCain forged with Mr. Biden’s two sons.
But the conversation on the sun-splashed deck off Mr. McCain’s bedroom was not all nostalgia.
“Here John knows he’s in a very, very, very precarious situation, and yet he’s still concerned about the state of the country,†Mr. Biden said in an interview. “We talked about how our international reputation is being damaged and we talked about the need for people to stand up and speak out.†... *****rollingeyes*****
NYT story via MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/at-his-ranch-john-mccain-shares-memories-and-regrets-with-friends/ar-AAwMZ4W)
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I remember bumperstickers in '09 saying, "Don't blame me, I voted for the gray haired dude" (or words to that affect). I didn't have one of those but if I had one, I probably would have put it on my car.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386359-mccains-inner-circle-planning-on-having-pence-not-trump-at-funeral-report (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/386359-mccains-inner-circle-planning-on-having-pence-not-trump-at-funeral-report)
Those close to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) have told the White House that their plan for the Arizona Republican's eventual funeral is to have Vice President Pence attend — but not President Trump, The New York Times reports.
The funeral is expected to take place at the Washington National Cathedral, according to the Times.
But Trump, with whom McCain has had a tempestuous relationship, is not expected to attend the service, at least not according to current planning, the Times reported.
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Boy, you must not look to see what other articles are posted, maybe it is in national, but this was already posted and got a lot of responses.
@Once-Ler
I might find it myself.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,314966.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,314966.0.html) There it is in national news.
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I don’t have any particular use nor liking for John McCain, but I’m not going to celebrate his death. My mother taught me better. It’s just politics, after all. I’d at least have to know someone to despise him.
Besides that, I can’t help but think of Meghan McCain. She’s about to lose her father. I know, I know...she’s a fat bimbo who dissed Sarah Palin, so who cares, right? Well, I’ve been there, and it’s a terrible place, so I can’t find it in me to yuck it up. Y’all carry on, though.
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@CatherineofAragon Thank you for saying that!!!
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Trump at his funeral is ‘real moment for the country’
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 05/07/18 07:24 AM EDT
CNN’s Jake Tapper is weighing in on a New York Times report that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) doesn’t want President Trump at his funeral, calling it a “real moment for the country.â€
“This is a real moment for the country where an American hero, somebody who is beloved in many, many ways is saying, ‘I don’t want this guy at my funeral,’†Tapper said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
The Times reported Saturday that McCain's inner circle has communicated to the White House that the senator would like Vice President Mike Pence to attend his eventual funeral at the Washington National Cathedral, but not Trump.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/media/386471-jake-tapper-mccain-not-wanting-trump-at-his-funeral-is-real-moment-for-the (http://thehill.com/homenews/media/386471-jake-tapper-mccain-not-wanting-trump-at-his-funeral-is-real-moment-for-the)
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I don’t have any particular use nor liking for John McCain, but I’m not going to celebrate his death. My mother taught me better. It’s just politics, after all. I’d at least have to know someone to despise him.
Besides that, I can’t help but think of Meghan McCain. She’s about to lose her father. I know, I know...she’s a fat bimbo who dissed Sarah Palin, so who cares, right? Well, I’ve been there, and it’s a terrible place, so I can’t find it in me to yuck it up. Y’all carry on, though.
Yes, I feel for McCain's family certainly and certainly I wouldn't wish failing health and cancer on anyone. However, think of all the POW's and MIA's that were left behind as a result of his actions and think of their families. Do you not think that they are going to celebrate with reason? Perhaps the term celebrate isn't quite the correct term, but perhaps rather those families will finally feel a sense of peace after his passing.
Just politics? Think of the determent has has placed on this country by pretending to be a Republican, yet acting and voting like a Democrat. That's out and out deceitful and dishonest.
McCain's actions right now IMHO are indicative of his character. Here he is in his final days and instead of trying to make things easier on his family by peacefully trying to spend his final days with them, he chooses to spend his final days berating others.
I anticipate he will have a funeral like no other as a past Senator and a past decorated war hero. I find it rather odd and quite narcissistic that he's obviously planning his own funeral by selecting who's going to speak at his funeral.
Again his concentration is on himself and ensuring that he makes him self look good all the while berating and dissing others. Most people would be concentrating on spending their final days with family. That speaks volumes about his character or lack thereof.
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In the same light, I highly doubt Trump would want to attend his funeral in the first place.
Maybe Trump should hold some kind of press conference or rally on the same day. It would be interesting to see which event would receive the most press coverage. I think Johnny is expecting press coverage for days if not weeks.
Not a huge Trump fan, but I am definitely not a McCain fan. I am proud to say that I didn't vote for the guy and I sure as heck have no intention of watching his funeral. I look at things as the Republican Party will be minus one less RINO after his passing.
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While he dithers, and we wring our hands, AZ has 1/2 of the representation in the Senate. Some sense of "duty."
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I don’t have any particular use nor liking for John McCain, but I’m not going to celebrate his death. My mother taught me better. It’s just politics, after all. I’d at least have to know someone to despise him.
Besides that, I can’t help but think of Meghan McCain. She’s about to lose her father. I know, I know...she’s a fat bimbo who dissed Sarah Palin, so who cares, right? Well, I’ve been there, and it’s a terrible place, so I can’t find it in me to yuck it up. Y’all carry on, though.
@CatherineofAragon
I'm confused. John McCain is one of the primary reasons the repeal of Obamacare failed. He's also the reason several other conservative agenda items failed to pass the Senate. He worked with Hillary and Obama to create ISIS, arm Al Qaeda in Syria, and push the overall Arab Spring series of civil wars.
You condemn Trump for failing to repeal Obamacare but won't condemn McCain even as he works from his deathbed to empower the Leftists and Globalists.
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Here's a more interesting tidbit ...
And some of his associates, though not his family, have started to quietly put out word that they want a “McCain person†eventually appointed to fill his Senate seat, a roster that includes his wife, Cindy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/politics/john-mccain-arizona.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/politics/john-mccain-arizona.html)
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:beer: Yes, McCain is busily insuring that his funeral will be as dramatic as possible. You can bet he and his family are putting in place safeguards and a security team to ensure that there will be no televised protests against him at his funeral.
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“This is a real moment for the country where an American hero, somebody who is beloved in many, many ways is saying, ‘I don’t want this guy at my funeral,’†Tapper said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
Beloved in many, many ways???
I won't say much past this, considering his condition - That is one cantankerous old bastard, and I doubt much love is wasted there.
Not a huge Trump fan, but I am definitely not a McCain fan. I am proud to say that I didn't vote for the guy and I sure as heck have no intention of watching his funeral. I look at things as the Republican Party will be minus one less RINO after his passing.
That's right.
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Here's a more interesting tidbit ...
It's going to be hard to find someone who is just a despicable as he is to fill his seat. It seems that has wife has remained for the most part very quiet; meanwhile her husband is still throwing stones. Yeppers. What a 'maverick'. I see him as an embarrassment.
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They're going to turn McCain's funeral into a "Wellstone Moment".
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Beloved in many, many ways???
I won't say much past this, considering his condition - That is one cantankerous old bastard, and I doubt much love is wasted there.
That's right.
Tapper has always been enamored with McCain. Which is really weird - he's such an easy guy to dislike, even for a guy who once worked at Salon.
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McCain's a fellow alumni, and served honorably. Trump attacking him during the campaign for having been a POW is probably the lowest Trump has ever sunk.
That being said, McCain is a self-righteous, overweening bleep. The entire idea of him getting to choose who replaces him is revolting. That Senate seat belongs to the people of Arizona, not to him.
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That being said, McCain is a self-righteous, overweening bleep. The entire idea of him getting to choose who replaces him is revolting. That Senate seat belongs to the people of Arizona, not to him.
His attitude of entitlement to that seat sums up the problem with the deep state in a nutshell. He is/was its embodiment.
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Yes, I feel for McCain's family certainly and certainly I wouldn't wish failing health and cancer on anyone. However, think of all the POW's and MIA's that were left behind as a result of his actions and think of their families. Do you not think that they are going to celebrate with reason? Perhaps the term celebrate isn't quite the correct term, but perhaps rather those families will finally feel a sense of peace after his passing.
Just politics? Think of the determent has has placed on this country by pretending to be a Republican, yet acting and voting like a Democrat. That's out and out deceitful and dishonest.
McCain's actions right now IMHO are indicative of his character. Here he is in his final days and instead of trying to make things easier on his family by peacefully trying to spend his final days with them, he chooses to spend his final days berating others.
I anticipate he will have a funeral like no other as a past Senator and a past decorated war hero. I find it rather odd and quite narcissistic that he's obviously planning his own funeral by selecting who's going to speak at his funeral.
Again his concentration is on himself and ensuring that he makes him self look good all the while berating and dissing others. Most people would be concentrating on spending their final days with family. That speaks volumes about his character or lack thereof.
@libertybele
Look, I’m not going to second-guess a dying person’s last decisions, for God’s sake. It’s just...well, I don’t get it. I don’t agree with having Obama there, but it isn’t as though we don’t know McCain’s leanings already. So I don’t understand the shock. It’s typical McCain.
The guy is literally spending the last moments of his life, so complaints that he’s being self-centered as a brain tumor kills him are incredible. I mean, really? And what’s the deal about him not spending the time with his family? Where is he, at Disney World? I don’t see how making a statement takes away from family time.
Those families you mention can do whatever they want. And yes, just politics. It’s all theatre and bull crap, if you’ve noticed.
As far as McCain’s voting record, you’re absolutely right. But he’s not alone. Remember how the GOP lied for seven years about getting rid of Obamacare? That’s a lot of future funerals to party over.
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He's always been a full-bore liberal.
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@libertybele
Look, I’m not going to second-guess a dying person’s last decisions, for God’s sake. It’s just...well, I don’t get it. I don’t agree with having Obama there, but it isn’t as though we don’t know McCain’s leanings already. So I don’t understand the shock. It’s typical McCain.
The guy is literally spending the last moments of his life, so complaints that he’s being self-centered as a brain tumor kills him are incredible. I mean, really? And what’s the deal about him not spending the time with his family? Where is he, at Disney World? I don’t see how making a statement takes away from family time.
Those families you mention can do whatever they want. And yes, just politics. It’s all theatre and bull crap, if you’ve noticed.
As far as McCain’s voting record, you’re absolutely right. But he’s not alone. Remember how the GOP lied for seven years about getting rid of Obamacare? That’s a lot of future funerals to party over.
@CatherineofAragon, I'm torn here. On the one hand, not saying bad things about dying people is generally the right thing to do - except when it may not be. One of the first impulses when some is or just has died is to say things like "oh, poor Bleep, oh that's terrible, he/she was so nice, etc." even when poor Bleep was a horrible person. Or, do we just say nothing even when Bleep leaving us is an improvement? When Bleep was an overall negative person? When Bleep did things that should be strongly condemned? When maintaining silence is to protect Bleep's misdeeds?
I think I will just say a prayer for McCain's soul and his family and friends and admit to his many misdeeds. I also admit that I am not aware of good things that he may have done in his life.
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@CatherineofAragon
I'm confused. John McCain is one of the primary reasons the repeal of Obamacare failed. He's also the reason several other conservative agenda items failed to pass the Senate. He worked with Hillary and Obama to create ISIS, arm Al Qaeda in Syria, and push the overall Arab Spring series of civil wars.
You condemn Trump for failing to repeal Obamacare but won't condemn McCain even as he works from his deathbed to empower the Leftists and Globalists.
@driftdiver
I condemned Trump, and in my previous post to @libertybele I condemned the Republicans who lied about Obamacare. Is McCain not in that group? Also, in my OP, I said I have no liking for McCain.
Exactly what kind of dance should I do to prove that I’m not a secret supporter of the “Globalists?â€
Show me the steps, because that’s how it goes these days, right?
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Catherine, I'm torn here. On the one hand, not saying bad things about dying people is generally the right thing to do - except when it may not be. One of the first impulses when some is or just has died is to say things like "oh, poor Bleep, oh that's terrible, he/she was so nice, etc." even when poor Bleep was a horrible person. Or, do we just say nothing even when Bleep leaving us is an improvement? When Bleep was an overall negative person? When Bleep did things that should be strongly condemned? When maintaining silence is to protect Bleep's misdeeds?
I think I will just say a prayer for McCain's soul and his family and friends and admit to his many misdeeds. I also admit that I am not aware of good things that he may have done in his life.
What I find amazing is the depth of McCain's bitterness. Most normal people, when staring eternity in the face, have an impulse to make amends, forgive, whatever, and shuffle off this mortal coil at peace. Not McCain, apparently.
Also, its tough, for me anyway, to write it all off as 'just politics' when the guy did things like take a bow for casting the deciding vote against the Obamacare repeal - a perversion that has had such a dramatically negative impact on me personally and so many others - even if the vote was largely symbolic.
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Well, let's see...what is the date today? May 7. That's 183 days until the General Election this year...
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What I find amazing is the depth of McCain's bitterness. Most normal people, when staring eternity in the face, have an impulse to make amends, forgive, whatever, and shuffle off this mortal coil at peace. Not McCain, apparently.
Also, its tough, for me anyway, to write it all off as 'just politics' when the guy did things like take a bow for casting the deciding vote against the Obamacare repeal - a perversion that has had such a dramatically negative impact on me personally and so many others - even if the vote was largely symbolic.
@skeeter
I find it easier to understand if I put myself into his mindset of believing that he's right and that he's doing the right thing. Just like many have given their last moments on earth for the country, he believes he's doing so.
That, and the fact that he's a nasty, angry man.
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I don’t have any particular use nor liking for John McCain, but I’m not going to celebrate his death. My mother taught me better. It’s just politics, after all. I’d at least have to know someone to despise him.
Besides that, I can’t help but think of Meghan McCain. She’s about to lose her father. I know, I know...she’s a fat bimbo who dissed Sarah Palin, so who cares, right? Well, I’ve been there, and it’s a terrible place, so I can’t find it in me to yuck it up. Y’all carry on, though.
Was going to post something similar, but you said it well. Let me also remind everyone of his military career. He could be the most liberal person in Congress, but for what he went through with the Forestall fire and being shot down he has my admiration and he deerves all of it.
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@skeeter
I find it easier to understand if I put myself into his mindset of believing that he's right and that he's doing the right thing. Just like many have given their last moments on earth for the country, he believes he's doing so.
That, and the fact that he's a nasty, angry man.
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True, but since the same can be said of everyone - they/we all believe we're doing the right thing - then no one is deserving of condemnation.
Maybe thats the lesson.
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True, but since the same can be said of everyone - they/we all believe we're doing the right thing - then no one is deserving of condemnation.
Maybe thats the lesson.
That's an interesting point - to be good requires more than intent. It also requires a clear-sighted, honest evaluation of your motives and the possible/probable results of your actions.
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..hmmm... perhaps a more defining moment for this country will be when the Republican party is minus one less RINO.
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LOL. This is only a moment for Crazy Johnnies friends in the MSM. The rest of America doesn't give a shit.
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@CatherineofAragon, I'm torn here. On the one hand, not saying bad things about dying people is generally the right thing to do - except when it may not be. One of the first impulses when some is or just has died is to say things like "oh, poor Bleep, oh that's terrible, he/she was so nice, etc." even when poor Bleep was a horrible person. Or, do we just say nothing even when Bleep leaving us is an improvement? When Bleep was an overall negative person? When Bleep did things that should be strongly condemned? When maintaining silence is to protect Bleep's misdeeds?
...Leslie Ray Charping died last month after a battle with cancer.
"At a young age, Leslie quickly became a model example of bad parenting combined with mental illness and a complete commitment to drinking, drugs, womanizing and being generally offensive," the obituary stated.
The family went on to describe Charping as a person who lacked ambition and motivation....
http://abc13.com/society/ouch-family-writes-brutal-obituary-for-local-man/1746919/ (http://abc13.com/society/ouch-family-writes-brutal-obituary-for-local-man/1746919/)
http://obit.carnesfuneralhome.com/leslie-ray-charping (http://obit.carnesfuneralhome.com/leslie-ray-charping)
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McCain's a fellow alumni, and served honorably. Trump attacking him during the campaign for having been a POW is probably the lowest Trump has ever sunk.
That being said, McCain is a self-righteous, overweening bleep. The entire idea of him getting to choose who replaces him is revolting. That Senate seat belongs to the people of Arizona, not to him.
Agree on both points.
He deserves special recognition, for appearing on every Sunday political show. The liberal media poster boy.
His funeral will allow that same media, opportunity to pay him back, and slam Trump as much as possible.
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I'll go on record that I'm not inviting Trump to my funeral.
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...Leslie Ray Charping died last month after a battle with cancer.
"At a young age, Leslie quickly became a model example of bad parenting combined with mental illness and a complete commitment to drinking, drugs, womanizing and being generally offensive," the obituary stated.
The family went on to describe Charping as a person who lacked ambition and motivation....
http://abc13.com/society/ouch-family-writes-brutal-obituary-for-local-man/1746919/ (http://abc13.com/society/ouch-family-writes-brutal-obituary-for-local-man/1746919/)
http://obit.carnesfuneralhome.com/leslie-ray-charping (http://obit.carnesfuneralhome.com/leslie-ray-charping)
Ouch!
But, you know what, Thackney? I'll bet that family does better, having gotten that out and exposed it all to the light, than families that act bereaved and sad about the passing of someone who did so much harm.
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I'll go on record that I'm not inviting Trump to my funeral.
I'm still trying to figure out how to not invite me to my funeral. :pondering:
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some of his associates, though not his family, have started to quietly put out word that they want a “McCain person†eventually appointed to fill his Senate seat, a roster that includes his wife, Cindy.
Because we have arrived at the point where nearly the entirely of the political caste in this country in both parties - thinks the seats belong to them and their bloodlines (ideological or actual) in perpetuity, ala a monarchy.
The concept of a Republic is long gone on these shores.
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@CatherineofAragon, I'm torn here. On the one hand, not saying bad things about dying people is generally the right thing to do - except when it may not be. One of the first impulses when some is or just has died is to say things like "oh, poor Bleep, oh that's terrible, he/she was so nice, etc." even when poor Bleep was a horrible person. Or, do we just say nothing even when Bleep leaving us is an improvement? When Bleep was an overall negative person? When Bleep did things that should be strongly condemned? When maintaining silence is to protect Bleep's misdeeds?
I think I will just say a prayer for McCain's soul and his family and friends and admit to his many misdeeds. I also admit that I am not aware of good things that he may have done in his life.
@Sanguine
I don’t see anything to disagree with in your post. Yes, there’s that tendency to try and whitewash people after they die. I don’t believe in that, either, so I think it’s better to say little or nothing.
But the celebrating, the death pools—-I saw that kind of thing when Reagan died, and I always thought it was something specific to the left. I’m not here for it, even if I get outed as the Dem plant.
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@skeeter
I find it easier to understand if I put myself into his mindset of believing that he's right and that he's doing the right thing. Just like many have given their last moments on earth for the country, he believes he's doing so.
That, and the fact that he's a nasty, angry man.
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@Suppressed
His age might have something to do with it, too. My husband’s grandmother once said that certain people become hard and bitter with age.
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I don’t have any particular use nor liking for John McCain, but I’m not going to celebrate his death. My mother taught me better. It’s just politics, after all. I’d at least have to know someone to despise him.
Besides that, I can’t help but think of Meghan McCain. She’s about to lose her father. I know, I know...she’s a fat bimbo who dissed Sarah Palin, so who cares, right? Well, I’ve been there, and it’s a terrible place, so I can’t find it in me to yuck it up. Y’all carry on, though.
It isn't just politics. His actions had consequences. From open borders to Obamacare that we all have to live with. No I don't wish him cancer or death. But he is what it he is and what he did should be a warning to others.
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@Sanguine
I don’t see anything to disagree with in your post. Yes, there’s that tendency to try and whitewash people after they die. I don’t believe in that, either, so I think it’s better to say little or nothing.
But the celebrating, the death pools—-I saw that kind of thing when Reagan died, and I always thought it was something specific to the left. I’m not here for it, even if I get outed as the Dem plant.
Oh, we know who the Dem plant is, and it ain't you.
Yeah, I agree mostly with what you said. A few minor points, but we can maybe work those out over time.
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To be fair, perhaps the Trump "disinvitation" is to honor Mrs. McCain's wishes. (Completely aside from how anyone here feels about McCain) if someone had made the kind of insulting comments (which I think went beyond political slings and arrows) the President did about my husband, I would scratch his eyes out if he showed up to pay his "respects".
Given the history between these two men, it seems kinder for everyone for the President not to attend.
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Because we have arrived at the point where nearly the entirely of the political caste in this country in both parties - thinks the seats belong to them and their bloodlines (ideological or actual) in perpetuity, ala a monarchy.
The concept of a Republic is long gone on these shores.
If the concept of a Republic was long gone, we wouldn't be commenting negatively on that statement here.
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Am I being a little gauche by thinking I'll be glad when he is buried, and forgotten?
The John McCain Death Tour is getting a little annoying.
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I'll go on record that I'm not inviting Trump to my funeral.
Always go to other peoples funerals Once-ler.... otherwise they won't come to yours.
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Am I being a little gauche by thinking I'll be glad when he is buried, and forgotten?
The John McCain Death Tour is getting a little annoying.
Only a little more gauche than me thinking I'll be glad when he is buried, and forgotten so the GOP can move on to a new scapegoat for it's failures.
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Am I being a little gauche by thinking I'll be glad when he is buried, and forgotten?
The John McCain Death Tour is getting a little annoying.
I think McCain's death will bring about an emergence of untold 'truths' about him and perhaps a documentary or two and a least one movie.
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I think McCain's death will bring about an emergence of untold 'truths' about him and perhaps a documentary or two and a least one movie.
The Maverick? That movie would DOA on the silver scorn.
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To be fair, perhaps the Trump "disinvitation" is to honor Mrs. McCain's wishes. (Completely aside from how anyone here feels about McCain) if someone had made the kind of insulting comments (which I think went beyond political slings and arrows) the President did about my husband, I would scratch his eyes out if he showed up to pay his "respects".
Given the history between these two men, it seems kinder for everyone for the President not to attend.
@LauraTXNM
In addition, while we're spending page after page after page arguing a hypothetical, I haven't heard one word about whether Donal Trump would even accept an invite to the Mavericks funeral. Maybe, in all honesty, I missed it in the flurry of merging threads....
I do think you make a good point. We don't really know where this "snub" is coming from, and the family is well within their rights as humans to not want Donald Trump there. I think they'd be more willing to keep Obama away, but who knows....
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Hatch says 'It's ridiculous' that McCain doesn't want Trump at his funeral
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Category: Today At Utah Policy
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Friends of Sen. John McCain have said the ailing Arizona Republican does not want President Trump to attend his funeral. Sen. Orrin Hatch says McCain should reconsider that request.
McCain has made it known he would prefer Vice President Mike Pence attend his funeral instead of Trump who has mocked the former GOP presidential nominee several times.
Read more at: http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/16611-hatch-says-it-s-ridiculous-that-mccain-doesn-t-want-trump-at-his-funeral (http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/16611-hatch-says-it-s-ridiculous-that-mccain-doesn-t-want-trump-at-his-funeral)
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Neither of them should go.
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To be fair, perhaps the Trump "disinvitation" is to honor Mrs. McCain's wishes. (Completely aside from how anyone here feels about McCain) if someone had made the kind of insulting comments (which I think went beyond political slings and arrows) the President did about my husband, I would scratch his eyes out if he showed up to pay his "respects".
Given the history between these two men, it seems kinder for everyone for the President not to attend.
@LauraTXNM
Yes, the thought occurred to me, too.
Objectively, I don't think it's at all surprising that McCain and/or his family would prefer Trump not attend.
And if he's really so close to death, it's entirely possible he isn't making any of these statements. He might be hooked up to machines with his family or his aides pumping stuff out to the media.
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Neither of them should go.
Not only that, but...just as they pulled the figurative rug from underneath Andrew McCabe at the eleventh hour, ...immediately upon announcement of his death, they should name/nominate his replacement.
No other comment should be necessary.
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@LauraTXNM
Yes, the thought occurred to me, too.
Objectively, I don't think it's at all surprising that McCain and/or his family would prefer Trump not attend.
And if he's really so close to death, it's entirely possible he isn't making any of these statements. He might be hooked up to machines with his family or his aides pumping stuff out to the media.
@LauraTXNM @CatherineofAragon
If that's the case the classy way to handle it would be to use personal communications to quietly communicate her wishes.
And not make a public spectacle to which Trump cannot respond.
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@LauraTXNM @CatherineofAragon
If that's the case the classy way to handle it would be to use personal communications to quietly communicate her wishes.
And not make a public spectacle to which Trump cannot respond.
Bingo. This was calibrated to damage Trump, personally. Thing is, such a dick move isn't below anybody who surrounds McCain (including McCain), so it tells me nothing about whether he's still above room temperature.
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How long before we can piss on his grave?
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Only a little more gauche than me thinking I'll be glad when he is buried, and forgotten so the GOP can move on to a new scapegoat for it's failures.
I thought you already had that scapegoat thing handled.
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Am I being a little gauche by thinking I'll be glad when he is buried, and forgotten?
The John McCain Death Tour is getting a little annoying.
@catfish1957
He won't be forgotten while most of us are still living. Some toad will stand up in the Senate and mention McLunatic and what a great man,war hero,and Senator he was,and then mention how happy he would be to support this new legislation if he were still alive.
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@darroll
How long will it take you to get me a round-trip ticket to Az?
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@darroll
How long will it take you to get me a round-trip ticket to Az?
He's not going to be buried here....
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@LauraTXNM @CatherineofAragon
If that's the case the classy way to handle it would be to use personal communications to quietly communicate her wishes.
And not make a public spectacle to which Trump cannot respond.
@driftdiver
He’s on his freaking deathbed and I’m not going to expect “classy†behavior in that context, nor be concerned with whether a man’s dying breaths benefit Trump. You go ahead, though.
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@driftdiver
He’s on his freaking deathbed and I’m not going to expect “classy†behavior in that context, nor be concerned with whether a man’s dying breaths benefit Trump. You go ahead, though.
@CatherineofAragon
In my experience the deathbed brings out the truth of the person. Choosing to go out bitter, angry and attacking people is telling of the man and family.
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@CatherineofAragon
In my experience the deathbed brings out the truth of the person. Choosing to go out bitter, angry and attacking people is telling of the man and family.
@driftdiver
I don’t know about that. Maybe. It could also be said that absence of mercy and compassion for the dying accomplishes the same thing.
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@driftdiver
I don’t know about that. Maybe. It could also be said that absence of mercy and compassion for the dying accomplishes the same thing.
@CatherineofAragon
Sure, until those dying strike out with cheap shots at anything and everything. Especially after decades of working to undermine a free America
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@driftdiver @CatherineofAragon
I think this isn't a black and white issue, and a number of reasonable stances can be taken here. He's not a nice man, his dying actions are not nice, but we also need to be careful about what we say about him, because that reflects on us more than him. And, we need to not hide the truth - as much as we know the truth of the matter. I appreciate Catherine being extremely charitable with regard to Mr. McCain, and I appreciate those who try to make sure that truth doesn't die with McCain. Stepping off of my soapbox now... :bolt:
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@driftdiver @CatherineofAragon
I think this isn't a black and white issue, and a number of reasonable stances can be taken here. He's not a nice man, his dying actions are not nice, but we also need to be careful about what we say about him, because that reflects on us more than him. And, we need to not hide the truth - as much as we know the truth of the matter. I appreciate Catherine being extremely charitable with regard to Mr. McCain, and I appreciate those who try to make sure that truth doesn't die with McCain. Stepping off of my soapbox now... :bolt:
@Sanguine
Which was why I pretty much held my tongue until the attacks by him or his family started.
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@Sanguine
Which was why I pretty much held my tongue until the attacks by him or his family started.
I happen to think you are both correct in your approaches as different as they are.
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SOURCE: CHRISTIAN POST
URL: https://www.christianpost.com/news/john-mccain-doesnt-want-trump-funeral-obama-eulogist-instead-223721/ (https://www.christianpost.com/news/john-mccain-doesnt-want-trump-funeral-obama-eulogist-instead-223721/)
by Stoyan Zaimov
Arizona Senator John McCain, who for nearly a year has been diagnosed with brain cancer, has reportedly said that he does not want U.S. President Donald Trump attending his funeral.
Instead, McCain would like former presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush reading his eulogy, NBC News said on Saturday based on a conversation with an unnamed source close to the 81-year-old politician.
"I don't know how much longer I'll be here," McCain separately says in an audio clip shared by NPR ahead of the release of his memoir, The Restless Wave.
Trump and McCain, who is a Vietnam war veteran and was a prisoner of war, have clashed over a variety of issues.
Trump controversially claimed during the run-up to the 2016 presidential primaries that McCain was only considered a hero "because he was captured" during the war, with the future president saying he prefers military heros who have not been captured.
McCain was said to be "deeply hurt" by Trump's comments, though in February 2018 his daughter Meghan, co-host of ABC's "The View," said in an interview with Politico that she does not expect Trump to continue criticizing her father's war service.
Mr. Trump] actually reached out to me and we had a very nice conversation and I feel comfortable going forward if he would say or do anything in the realm of talking about my father's war injuries in that nature, I don't think he would go there again," she said at the time.
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Why is this a surprise? "He's a hero because he was captured. I like heroes who weren't captured." How does McCain forget a comment like that?
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Why is this a surprise? "He's a hero because he was captured. I like heroes who weren't captured." How does McCain forget a comment like that?
The bad blood between them predated that comment.
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@driftdiver @CatherineofAragon
I think this isn't a black and white issue, and a number of reasonable stances can be taken here. He's not a nice man, his dying actions are not nice, but we also need to be careful about what we say about him, because that reflects on us more than him. And, we need to not hide the truth - as much as we know the truth of the matter. I appreciate Catherine being extremely charitable with regard to Mr. McCain, and I appreciate those who try to make sure that truth doesn't die with McCain. Stepping off of my soapbox now... :bolt:
@Sanguine
I understand your POV; as I said earlier, I’m not a McCain fan. You won’t see me trying to whitewash him or his career. But like I’ve said...oh, hell with it, I’ve repeated it enough now. But I really do agree with what you say.
Jonah Goldberg was right, IMO, when he said it’s particularly debasing that some are angry with McCain to prove their love of Trump.
Before anybody yells, I’m not accusing anyone here of that; the word “some†is important. But I’ve seen enough Twitter outrage on Trump’s behalf from MAGA people to know that it’s true.
Then again, Jonah is a SOROS-funded ally of the globalists, so...
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Why is this a surprise? "He's a hero because he was captured. I like heroes who weren't captured." How does McCain forget a comment like that?
Trump should have said..." I like heroes who didn't make propaganda tapes for the enemy while captured". John would have liked that truthful comment much better. ^-^
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Trump should have said..." I like heroes who didn't make propaganda tapes for the enemy while captured". John would have liked that truthful comment much better. ^-^
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@CatherineofAragon
Sure, until those dying strike out with cheap shots at anything and everything. Especially after decades of working to undermine a free America
Hmmmm.......trying to picture John McCain "...working to undermine a free America", wearing some sinister grin.
It doesn't compute.
The poor guy's mental faculties may be fading fast. He's frightened. And, he's striking out. It's 'normal'. IMO.
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Hmmmm.......trying to picture John McCain "...working to undermine a free America", wearing some sinister grin.
It doesn't compute.
The poor guy's mental faculties may be fading fast. He's frightened. And, he's striking out. It's 'normal'. IMO.
@DCPatriot
Pushing TARP was helping?
Working with ISIS was helping?
Fighting the repeal of Obamacare was helping?
the list is long and distinguished.
The fact that he's going public with this (with his families help) is telling.
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How many people have suffered and died as the result of Obamacare? We'll never know, but I wonder how they feel right now considering he was instrumental in its passing and the failure to repeal it.
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Hmmmm.......trying to picture John McCain "...working to undermine a free America", wearing some sinister grin.
It doesn't compute.
The poor guy's mental faculties may be fading fast. He's frightened. And, he's striking out. It's 'normal'. IMO.
(Scratching head.) There is nothing new about this "behavior." He and/or his people are behaving exactly as I've come to expect after many years of observing him. Petty.
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While Mc Cain seeks to be in the limelight, to set an agenda in his final appearance, Trump is trying to make the world safer in the Korean peninsula and in Iran.
(I did not like the disrespect of McCain by Trump at the time)
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Topics merged.
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While Mc Cain seeks to be in the limelight, to set an agenda in his final appearance, Trump is trying to make the world safer in the Korean peninsula and in Iran.
(I did not like the disrespect of McCain by Trump at the time)
The hero comment was stupid but typical of Trump. He always attacks, many times without thinking. It usually works for him but in that case it was stupid and hurtful for many others who were not his target.
McCain is all about himself. His love of power and money. A real patriot would have resigned long ago when he stopped being able to do the job.
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(Scratching head.) There is nothing new about this "behavior." He and/or his people are behaving exactly as I've come to expect after many years of observing him. Petty.
Meant that his heart had to be in the right place when placing those votes... and he always liked to appear as 'Everyman'...putting the People above Party...and all that other happy horse manure.
Only other logical explanation is that he was being blackmailed by the Clintons since they lived in the White House.
...'missing' 500 FBI files, etc..
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Meant that his heart had to be in the right place when placing those votes... and he always liked to appear as 'Everyman'...putting the People above Party...and all that other happy horse manure.
Only other logical explanation is that he was being blackmailed by the Clintons since they lived in the White House.
...'missing' 500 FBI files, etc..
I can't disagree with what you're saying there, old bean. His is a career I've been following (not voluntarily!) for 40 years, and this is totes in character for him. He required no bribe or blackmail to behave this way, it's in his nature. To make this sort of slap is as natural as, well, falling off a log. I'm not convinced he still breathes, to be honest.
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@DCPatriot
Pushing TARP was helping?
Working with ISIS was helping?
Fighting the repeal of Obamacare was helping?
the list is long and distinguished.
The fact that he's going public with this (with his families help) is telling.
Every article I've ever read about him talks about his temper and what a nasty person he can be.
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Every article I've ever read about him talks about his temper and what a nasty person he can be.
I've seen that up close and in person. (He spits when he yells.) I'm a "constituent," remember. **nononono*
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I've seen that up close and in person. (He spits when he yells.) I'm a "constituent," remember. **nononono*
Yeah I remember...figured like with Flake you'd have better insight than anyone on what McCain is like when the Camera's aren't on.
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Yeah I remember...figured like with Flake you'd have better insight than anyone on what McCain is like when the Camera's aren't on.
Don't like either one. Flake had to earn my dislike, when he broke his promises to limit his term three times. I didn't like McCain right out of the box. He always struck me as an opportunist. Flake proved himself to be formed from the same mold even before he was Inaugurated as Senator.
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I've seen that up close and in person. (He spits when he yells.) I'm a "constituent," remember. **nononono*
I saw him up close and personal in 2012, and he was actually pretty sharp. :shrug:
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@driftdiver
I don’t know about that. Maybe. It could also be said that absence of mercy and compassion for the dying accomplishes the same thing.
@CatherineofAragon
Thanks for the suggestion. I think I will wait 10 years or so to make sure the evil SOB is really dead ,and MAYBE then consider a little compassion for him.
Stranger things have happened,or so I have been told.
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I saw him up close and personal in 2012, and he was actually pretty sharp. :shrug:
That's because he liked you (I assume). I was a PITA constituent, and recalcitrant politicians don't like this kind of constituent....
It's true what they say about him: He fought conservatives with a great deal more vigor than liberal Democrats.
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That's because he liked you (I assume). I was a PITA constituent, and recalcitrant politicians don't like this kind of constituent....
It's true what they say about him: He fought conservatives with a great deal more vigor than liberal Democrats.
Oh, I know, and I can't stand the guy. He was violently anti-conservative, and not at all anti-liberal.
That's why I was surprised by how rational he was. It was in a small group of workers at the Republican Headquarters, (back when there was still a little something in the Republican party that actually stood for what I believed in :shrug:).
I don't doubt for a minute your experience of being spat upon by an angry McCain.